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[Yes my kids are vaccinated (& for covid),]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

What has that got to do with the price of butter?  I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of it, it's the practicalities.  Current situation is there's millions  of militant anti-vaxxers you can't physically force vaccinate them ffs.

Would a woke Liberal like yourself advocate forcefully vaccinating refuseniks - Literally holding a person down and injecting them?

I asked you a question.

Why don't you answer it?

Yes my kids are vaccinated (& for covid), I'm not stupid nor anti-vax. I really don't see the point of your Question in this context, wasting my time is all you're doing.

Do you think mandatory vaccination for Covid in the current circumstances will work? Physically forcing people to take an injection if required?

So you forced your kids to be vaccinated. Because what else is vaccinating babies and young children?

You say morally we can't force anybody to take a vaccine.

Morally we can put in place measures which make it extremely difficult for them to function as part of society if they refuse to be vaccinated.

And given the stakes, it would be more than justified.

You mean follow a possible route like the one I already outlined and is already being employed - Covid passports?

[Mandatory vaccination won't work. Covid passports are a much better tool to engender compliance. No vaccine = no covid passport - that's a person's own look out, if you're denied entry to places because you've no covid passport, that's tough titty for you and a bonus for the vaccinated public.]

Please outline how you would plan to physically make refuseniks submit to a vaccine injection.

Vaccine mandates do work. They've been in use in America for centuries.

Italy is currently using them.

I have no problem in saying I favour no vaccine, no job. And no welfare.

We'd soon see how "principled" the flat earthers are then.

[Yes my kids are vaccinated (& for covid),]

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

What has that got to do with the price of butter?  I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of it, it's the practicalities.  Current situation is there's millions  of militant anti-vaxxers you can't physically force vaccinate them ffs.

Would a woke Liberal like yourself advocate forcefully vaccinating refuseniks - Literally holding a person down and injecting them?

I asked you a question.

Why don't you answer it?

Yes my kids are vaccinated (& for covid), I'm not stupid nor anti-vax. I really don't see the point of your Question in this context, wasting my time is all you're doing.

Do you think mandatory vaccination for Covid in the current circumstances will work? Physically forcing people to take an injection if required?

So you forced your kids to be vaccinated. Because what else is vaccinating babies and young children?

You say morally we can't force anybody to take a vaccine.

Morally we can put in place measures which make it extremely difficult for them to function as part of society if they refuse to be vaccinated.

And given the stakes, it would be more than justified.

And more

https://mobile.twitter.com/IvoryHecker/status/1458504347671793671

Oh I don't doubt there's more.

I don't doubt there's a lot more.

There's always a lot more from the tinfoil hat industrial bullshit machine.

I'm happy enough with the liquefied 5G networks coursing around me though.

Very calming.

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

What has that got to do with the price of butter?  I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs of it, it's the practicalities.  Current situation is there's millions  of militant anti-vaxxers you can't physically force vaccinate them ffs.

Would a woke Liberal like yourself advocate forcefully vaccinating refuseniks - Literally holding a person down and injecting them?

I asked you a question.

Why don't you answer it?

Have you heard of anyone getting polio recently?

No. That's because 100% vaccine rollout does work.

Dunno if it that's for my benefit? It won't work because you can't force people to take it - physically (or morally).

Do you have children? If so did you have them vaccinated against various illnesses?

A 17 year old white male murdered two protestors and shot another one in Wisconsin last night

The cops just let him waltz through the street with an AR-15 around his neck

So called white "militias" came in from out of state to create trouble

That's white terrorism enabled by white police and the white supremacist regime in the White House

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/investigators-focus-on-armed-white-vigilantes-after-2-shooting-deaths-in-kenosha-protests_n_5f465ffbc5b6cf66b2b131c2?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL1ZuNXdkRE5wd0o_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABcsULAYnJXPEDlQmfe_ln_XU8ezCEYgqnr6CvS26ZIj3XDBrOqfdFXz47Yv9OQBXDLRx6yNCkso_ams5xkowqjjLxpKbe_QYBN2DrUlVIWe27yUvyapanYNot8nAcfN8Rv0JMdWOrXyxlh-fQpqZGbHVcj7hBaCJV_exKHLU1qV

Protesters clashed with police outside the Kenosha County Courthouse after a local white police officer shot Jacob Blake, a Black man, multiple times in the back with his children nearby over the weekend.

The third night of demonstrations appeared to turn deadly when heavily armed white vigilantes entered into the mix.

Investigators say they are focusing on a group of men with guns who were lined up outside some businesses a few blocks down the road from the courthouse, Beth told The New York Times. Ostensibly, the vigilantes were there to "protect" businesses from fires that had been set during previous nights of demonstrations.

A now-deleted Facebook page that appears to belong to Rittenhouse featured almost exclusively pro-police imagery and photos of the suspect carrying guns. At some point he changed his profile image to a "Blue Lives Matter" sign and held a fundraiser for a police nonprofit called "Humanizing The Badge."

Militia members may have been drawn to the city through a Facebook post by a group calling itself the Kenosha Guard, which encouraged "patriots" to "take up arms and defend our city tonight from the evil thugs," The Verge reported. It was unclear whether the suspect belonged to any militia groups.

wrong on everything from the start as usual .

I was completely correct.

But I don't expect any credit for that, I mean I only had to look at the videos of what actually happened.

US law is set up to favour white supremacist murderers like Rittenhouse.

And you wonder why the BLM movement exists.

[Stay on the side of career criminals, pedophiles and wife beaters .]

If it had been a black man walking up to police to supposedly give himself up holding a automatic rifle, police would have shot him dead. All these gun nuts running around America, not too many of them would join the armed forces. The opposition tends to shoot bck doing tours of Iraq and Afghanistan. What other country in the world can you run round with civilians with guns outside some cartel stronghold in Mexico or 3rd world dictatorship. In America's case you can't beat stupid. What's their motto, Greatest country in the world, only in their tiny little heads.

how about a black man driving down through a Christmas parade mowing down kids and grannies ?

He has been arrested and charged and won't get off by claiming self defense.

self defense for what ?  were the grannies and kids attacking him ?  Stay on the side of career criminals, pedophiles and wife beaters .

Why are you bringing Trump into it?

Ireland the most vaccinated place in Europe and with the highest covid rates and people want covid passports for ?? Sure almost everyone will have their passports and be free to pass on their covid to everyone. The movie Dumb & Dumber jumps out.

Ireland is not the most vaccinated place in Europe.

Basic fact fail.

Ireland does not have the highest Covid rates in Europe. We're not even in the top 10 in Europe for case rates at the moment.

Basic fact fail.

Our pandemic is being driven by the young, who remain largely unvaccinated.

It's certainly anti-science to mandate people who have already acquired a natural immunity to be vaccinated. Such people who have been infected,  who have developed symptoms  and fully recovered in a timely fashion, have already developed a much superior type of immunity than what the vaccination offers.  To mandate such people to be vaccinated is not only anti-science but more importantly  anti-Darwin, the beloved godperson  of the 'science of evolution'.

The vaccination method certainly has benefits, but more so  for our elders and those who are health compromised.

Your post is complete nonsense.

So called "natural immunity" is a crock. Vaccination is the only way to go.

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1455263624730087424

People with previous COVID-19 (natural immunity) were 5x more likely to be hospitalized with re-infection COVID, compared to vaxxed people. Dramatic finding. Most extensive data on this topic in an American population, & over a substantial period of time.
https://cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w

All the research is now very clear that natural immunity provides as much protection from infection/hospitilization as the vaccinated.

Wrong.

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1455263624730087424

People with previous COVID-19 (natural immunity) were 5x more likely to be hospitalized with re-infection COVID, compared to vaxxed people. Dramatic finding. Most extensive data on this topic in an American population, & over a substantial period of time.
https://cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w

What this 4th "wave" is really proving is that lockdown was a total nonsense. There have been very few outbreaks in pubs, hotels and restaurants.

So why did cases drop precipitously when every lockdown came in?

Here's the type of lunacy which we have to deal with in Massachusetts

Halloween "deemphasized" in Melrose Massachusetts in an effort to be "more inclusive"

I get it that Christmas and Columbus Day might not be entirely inclusive, but FFS after the year kids have had, let's take all the joy out of Halloween while we're at it.

Do these people just sit around and concoct solutions to problems which don't exist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/boston/2021/10/jimmy-kimmel-reacts-to-melrose-superintendents-decision-to-deemphasize-halloween-whos-feeling-marginalized-by-a-halloween-party.html%3foutputType=amp

(Kümmel joked that the superintendent's house will probably get egged. Now he's being accused of inciting violence against her)

To me, that's the other side of the coin from the CRT hysteria.

One side is scared shitless of leaving anyone out or offending anyone (at least their motives are honourable), the other is absolutely determined that the real, historical enslavement and oppression suffered by some groups of Americans be whitewashed over lest their kids have to grow up knowing that their country has treated those groups like shit and that that has had ongoing effects down to this day.

Thankfully, my kids get to learn about MLK and Rosa Parks and their noble struggle, while at the same time their very diverse public school allows them to wear their costumes in for a Halloween celebration.

Good point, well put.

the Democrats on the school board in loudon county Virginia weren't too worried about offending the father of a 14 year old girl who was raped in a transgender bathroom, when he went to a school board Meeting they had him arrested and covered up for the rapist two times. Sick f$cks

https://reason.com/2021/11/01/conservatives-wrongly-portrayed-the-loudoun-county-sexual-assault-as-a-transgender-bathroom-issue/

did they cover it up or not ? I made no issue about anything else

You pretty clearly implied that this issue was about transgender bathrooms and that issue's influence on the school board's decision making.

And got caught talking absolute shite yet again.

The story was in fact about the following:
i) The rape culture among young males - which the entirety of right-wing America simultaneously both indulges and denies. It denies there is such a culture among males in general, yet simultaneously claims there is such a culture among black males, in order to portray white males in general as virtuous because of their skin colour.

ii) The right-wing bullshit machine's constant efforts to completely demonise minorities it hates - in this case trans people. Trans people had nothing whatsoever to do with this bullshit "story".

There was a sexual assault by a male against a female.

The Republican party, and posters like whitey and GMac, are a cult devoted to a credibly alleged paedophile and serial rapist who tried to overthrow democracy in an armed fascist coup.

End of.

Every post they make should come with that spoiler alert.

[White society in the US needs a dose of reality and a serious dose of shame about its history and its present.]

The Dems were toast once it was proven that critical race theory is being taught to elementary school children.

First of all what you've said there is a straight up lie. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory. So you're a liar.

But here's the thing. Any version of American history which doesn't include critical race theory is a white supremacist version of history.

In other words, fake history.

The Republican propaganda campaign against critical race theory is white supremacism and tyranny in action.

You're wrong (AGAIN)

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/14/explosive-documents-prove-mcauliffes-administration-pushed-crt-in-virginia-schools/

Assuming that's true, what exactly is the problem? (It must be bad because I just saw a headline that said 25% of VA voters had it as their top issue!)

Is it, as RedHand88 claims, that six year olds are being taught its "bad" to be white?

Whitey, as usual is completely wrong. Virginia doesn't teach critical race theory in schools, as he claims.

The point is, it should.

Every school in the US should be taught it.

White society in the US needs a dose of reality and a serious dose of shame about its history and its present. The officially prescribed fake version history it believes is a lie.

Whitey and Red Hand88 are the types that would have Unionist propaganda shoved down the throat of every Catholic child in the North if they could.

There is no point talking to you anymore. You would have innocent children with no concept of race taught that they should be ashamed of something that happened 200 years ago.

Theres no reasoning with that logic. There is no meet in the middle. You arent going to come in from your crazy far left white hating cliff so I'm not wasting my time.

I cant be bothered anymore. I wish you well.

Cool. Let's just have a curriculum which teaches the TUV version of history in Northern Irish schools.

You can post in favour of that under the exact same logic.

And shure lets' start teaching German kids their country has nothing to be ashamed of over World War II. That there was no difference in the respective moral causes of Nazi Germany and those who fought to defeat them.

Yeah, great idea that.

Although funny enough, or not funny at all, teachers in Texas are now being told they have to give the "opposing view" of the Holocaust.

What is the "opposing view" of the Holocaust? That it didn't happen?

That's the sorry state America is in now.

democrats in Virginia are too busy covering up rapes of female students in transgender bathrooms , Sending campaign staff to youngkin rally dressed as nazis with tiki torches, sending fools to youngkin rally with confederate flags on their jackets . Plus having the worst president ever doesn't help

You and the entirety of right wing America plead fealty to somebody who is credibly alleged to have raped a 13 year old.

You're fine with that.

"Anti-woke" is white supremacism.

It's white supremacism first, white supremacism last, and white supremacism everywhere in between.

And you couldn't get a clearer example than the above poster.