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The bottom line is Russia is 100% to blame for this crisis. It's time the west stood up to them properly.

Yeah I've been thinking how to we get to the other end of this ? Particularly in the workplace when people have to self isolate either as contacts or positive themselves. Reduce isolation period ? Is that a risk as you may still be infectious. But it's apparent now that thousands in the workforce, especially NHS are being taken out of action and are not sick, or unable to work in the normal sense. I don't have the answers, just curious what people think is the way out ?

We're a long way from the other end yet. What isn't known yet is what are the long term effects of getting covid. It is a vascular disease ie it gets into the blood stream and travels around the body. People who get long covid seem to get lots of micro clots all around the body. There are some scientists who say that these micro clots or stickiness of the blood is a risk for everyone who gets covid. That leads to a heightened risk of heart disease or stokes in the months after covid, even from mild or asymptomatic covid. Those long tem effects have yet to play out.

You'd wonder if all the shouting and bullshit about the supposed "long term" effects of vaccines wasn't a concerted ploy to distract attention from the real long term effects - of Covid itself, and of the healthcare denied to people because healthcare systems were snowed under with Covid.

In the US, a CEO of a big life insurance company has said the death rate of people aged 18-64 is 40% above normal. In South Africa and in the UK, the death figures are rising. Not in the same way they did last year, but rising all the same. There are pretty reasonable grounds to expect an epidemic of chronic illness for years to come and elevated death rates for the foreseeable future.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/07/true-number-covid-deaths-us-likely-undercounted-experts

Sid I don't expect accentuate of the positives however I'd much prefer balanced analysis of the situation than agenda driven ultra negative fear mongering analysis that you'll find for those chaps and their devoted followers are as weird as they come.

That's a deliberate and mendacious mischaracterisation and doesn't address the reality that their analysis has been as accurate as you will find.

The main reason European countries, especially the UK, have done so poorly during his pandemic is because they have dismissed realistic, hard headed analysis in favour of so called "positivity".

"Positivity" was corner cutting fantasy.

I find it more  than bizarre that those who rejected corner cutting fantasy are now vilified. There's a mass psychosis at work out there.

Anything from Tomas Ryan and the rest of ISAG members comes with a health warning.  They tend to talk up any negatives and talk down any positives about the current situation.

It's called reality.

In a global pandemic that is the correct way to look at things.

If a bridge is showing signs that it might collapse, such as, say, the bridge in Genoa, you don't accentuate the positives. "Ah shure go on there, you'll be grand." In aircraft safety, you don't say, "ah, it probably won't crash".

The analysis of Ryan and ISAG has been hard headed and realistic all through and because of that they have given as good an analysis of the situation all through as you'll find in this country.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr is the person talking.

Where's Sirhan Sirhan when you need him?

there is a flu thread already.. just search for it...

lenny what is also surprising that a lot of people against the vaccine, happily promote other drugs for covid that haven't gone through the same trials and peer reviews that vaccines have.. one of the contradictions I was referring to in an earlier post.

Totally agree. There are some shady characters promoting ivermectin, hydroxochloriquine along with other medicines and supplements.

Every single one of them promoting Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, Alex Jones's patented nanosilver and whatever you're having yourself (don't) is a shameless grifter on the gravy train of publicity whoredom and right wing cash.

Pierre Kory - grifter
Tess Lawrie - grifter
Brett Weinstein - grifter
Peter McCullough - grifter
Joe Rogan - total grifter
John Campbell - has taken the Kool Aid
America's Frontline Doctors - shrieking banshee, democracy hating extreme far right grifters

Everyone else in on the Ivermectin cult is dodgy as fook.

It. Does. Not. Work.

[That's why they listen to the experts.]

Listen to these two self proclaimed knowers of everything. i have met some As' in my time and you two are in that company. Your more than welcome not to reply to my posts. Your so precious with yourselves.

Nobody here with their head screwed on claims to know everything, or anywhere remotely in the same galaxy as everything. That's why they listen to the experts. And the experts are telling us this is deadly serious. And to be vaccinated, and boosted if you're already vaccinated.

It is you who thinks you know everything.

You know less than the square root of SFA.

I do hate saying "I told you so" but I told you so (apart from the bit about La Liga being a duopoly, it's not even that now).

La Liga and all the other major continental European leagues are fucked.

The Premier League is the only game in town.

If Real go through then you'd wonder have they enough hunger to win another?

It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You're off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won't be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?

England has already hoovered up Europe's best coaches.

When Messi and Ronaldo go, and that's not far away, it mightn't be long until the world's best players all decide to make England their destination of choice rather than Spain.

England already has six clubs who are world brands and mostly 50k plus stadiums filled every week. In a few years' time that will be seven or eight clubs with 60k plus stadiums filled every week.

La Liga will continue to be a duopoly.

Real Madrid didn't win a European Cup between 1966 and 1998 and reached one final in those 32 years.

It took them another 12 years to get back to a final after 2002. They tend to make hay when they're good but more often than not they haven't been that great at European level and Spain's production line of players could easily dry up. It's not even a decade since Liverpool completely demolished them over two legs in the last 16 of the Champions League. Dortmund were demolishing them more recently than that again.

Serie A hoovered up the world's best players for over 20 years and AC Milan hoovered up the world's best players for over a decade. Not anymore.

Things don't stay still forever and the dominance they and Barcelona have enjoyed at European level is likely to end sooner rather than later - Barcelona's period at the top of European football already looks over.

If Real go through then you'd wonder have they enough hunger to win another?

It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You're off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won't be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?

Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.

The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

I've yet to see one actual practical proposal put forward by those who disagree with the way the pandemic has been handled. There have been many posts against vaccines, lockdowns etc but none of these posters have put forward an alternative. When challenged to do so, the silence for a while is deafening.
If these people genuinely believe that vaccinations and lockdowns don't work, what is their alternative?
They have been given ample opportunity to put forward their views but all seem obsessed with what is being done wrong, rather than what they believe we should be doing differently.

Not one of them has called for intellectual property to be shared with the world so vaccines can be manufactured worldwide and rolled out to the world.

Not one of them has called for N95 masks to be mass produced and distributed for free to the world's population.

Not one of them has called for governments to spend the money it would take to bring ventilation in buildings up to standard.

They're against all that because the only thing they have is to behave like parrots shouting "it's a cod, it's a cod, it's a cod".

Crazy beliefs hunt in packs.

[Genuinely genuinely hope they go bust.]

Was out in Belfast at the weekend.  Restaurant didn't walk for covid passport and some staff not wearing masks in the bar we visited.  Bit of a shambles.  Can't understand why people can't bother to do the simplest things to if nothing else, help our friends working on the frontline in hospitals.

Heard of a few places in Belfast who actually refused entry to people who didnt have the vaccine even though it isnt enforceable until the 13th. Genuinely genuinely hope they go bust.

Of course you do, you're a nihilist.

You want to see responsible businesses collapse.

GMac lying yet again, what a surprise. The American far right have a tactic which Steve Bannon calls "flooding the zone with bullshit" and that's what you get ad nauseum from our resident rabbit hole dwellers.

Little wonder the following is what happens as a result.

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
Updated December 5, 202110:27 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate?t=1638823864961

The way covid deaths are recorded inflates the actual death figures.

In the UK it's quite the opposite, the death figures are very significantly under reported because they use an arbitrary cut off point of 28 days.

It's like the old Fast Show sketch about the Amsterdam police, "we ushed to have a sherioush problem with burglary but shinche we legalished it, it'sh not a problem any more."

McQuillan has been riding Glen since the sending off. Shocking that Beggan got away with that.

dont know about that... scotstown should have had a penalty in the 1st half for a blatant push. Apart from that there hasn't been any obvious mistakes

That's a very dangerous tackle by beggan. Red card all day long

Thought it was a fair tackle, ball was on the ground it was there to be played for and he won it. Darren Cues can't have any argument with being put off though and his brother didn't seem to have any argument about being put off either.

Per today's Sunday Times:

The latest report from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) shows that of the 552 people admitted to ICU with Covid between June 27 and November 20, 57 per cent were unvaccinated. Two thirds of those unvaccinated requiring treatment in ICU were under 60 years old.

The report shows that 9.5 per cent of Covid cases detected in healthcare workers since June have been in unvaccinated workers, a total of 812 cases. The HPSC calculated that unvaccinated people were 11 more times likely to be admitted to ICU after contracting Covid.

Martin Neil Professor at Queen Mary University London

https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1466814347762671628?t=ReIXOjXKU44AlhuzPiEcvA&s=19

Congratulations on finding an English equivalent of Dolores Cahill.

Your not really interested in anything other than your narrative. Knock yourself out. Meanwhile the republic, 92% vaccination and covid numbers increasing daily, its the unvaccinated are the problem in your head. 😂😂


Did anyone let u into the big secret, vaccinated people are contagious as well. That must mess your head up

I'm not interested in the idiotic ramblings of a crackpot who works in a non-medical or scientific field and who very much comes across as if he believes in lizard people.

Thanks for linking to it anyway.