Sam Maguire Group 2 - Galway, Armagh, Tyrone, Westmeath

[tonto1888]

Some nerve to try overturn that. Everything is appealed these days. GAA top staff need grow some balls and update the rulebook. Gough said they don't want to know. Need bring in a rule unsuccessful appeals are doubled.

I disagree with your last line but agree something needs to be done about appeals. In soccer if you appeal and the FA deem it a frivolous appeal they can increase the ban. Maybe something like that

We in effect have that.  Suspensions can increase on appeal so clubs and county boards usually aren't just taking a punt

An ok. Didn't know that. I still don't think he should be appealing. For me, it was a clear red. I know you think otherwise and I respect that. It's all about opinions

[statto]

I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...

Why do you say that? The vast majority of players are club players and they deserve a decent, proper structured season. We need to give it another year or 2 but the split season looks good so far. The games coming thick and fast is brilliant and means the season isn't stretched out for no reason.

+1👍

The problem isn't the length of the county season. From January to July is 7 full months. The issue is the format with far too many warm up and meaningless games. We're now 6 months into the season and for the big team's there hasn't been one really important match yet that will have significant impact on whether there season is deemed successful. It'll all come down to the knockout stages from the last 12 on. The system needs changed.

The provincial championship needs played first ending no later than St Patrick's day. The winners should be guaranteed some kind of entry to the later stages of the championship if don't do well in the league. The league's should then be played - personally I think 3 divisions of around 11 teams would work best. Winners should be league champions. Around 7 teams should qualify from top division for the All Ireland play off stages and the division 2 (intermediate) and division 3 champions. Places determining what stage you enter the play off rounds.

One issue with the early finish to the county season and important club games during the summer that was never considered was the lack of availability of so many good players due to transfers to America.

I like the thought behind some of what you propose, but would division 3 champions not be lambs to the slaughter in AI series? They also wont get a crack at winning championship at their own level?

[Redhand Santa]

I did mean to say that division 2 and 3 should start earlier with top 6 or something qualifying for the knockout stages of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior Championships. Both finals played as a double header in Croke Park. Winners then getting some kind of play off match in All Ireland series as reward. Granted the division 3 champions might struggle but at least they'd be coming in with momentum.

No matter what there has to be a better set up than the current thrown together mess.

[Eire90]

is that similar to what proposal b was

[bennydorano]

Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume  we're approaching the Galway  match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.

Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?

[seafoid]

is that similar to what proposal b was

Proposal B

"The proposal brings together the format of the national league with the All-Ireland played out amongst the last 10 teams, based on final league placings, spread across the divisions – five from the first, three from the second and the top teams in the third and fourth – so that every county can aspire to qualifying."

[David McKeown]

Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume  we're approaching the Galway  match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.

Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?

Yes he's injured again

[statto]

is that similar to what proposal b was

Proposal B

"The proposal brings together the format of the national league with the All-Ireland played out amongst the last 10 teams, based on final league placings, spread across the divisions – five from the first, three from the second and the top teams in the third and fourth – so that every county can aspire to qualifying."

Flaws with that proposal as well as in 6th to 8th teams in Division 1 should get a crack at Sam. 

[seafoid]

is that similar to what proposal b was

Proposal B

"The proposal brings together the format of the national league with the All-Ireland played out amongst the last 10 teams, based on final league placings, spread across the divisions – five from the first, three from the second and the top teams in the third and fourth – so that every county can aspire to qualifying."

Flaws with that proposal as well as in 6th to 8th teams in Division 1 should get a crack at Sam.

Nobody's perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mHhr-aaLnI

[naka]

Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume  we're approaching the Galway  match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.

Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?

Wouldn't trust Tyrone to beat Westmeath so we need all hands for the Galway game

[Orior]

Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume  we're approaching the Galway  match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.

Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?

Yes he's injured again

Armagh must have soem of the longest player injuries.

I cannot remember trhe last time I saw Oisin O'Neill or Ciaran O'Hanlon play.

[bennydorano]

Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume  we're approaching the Galway  match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.

Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?

Wouldn't trust Tyrone to beat Westmeath so we need all hands for the Galway game

Yeah, but in all likelihood revisit this on Sunday night and Galway & Tyrone will have won.  Debatable us at full strength, in the current circumstances, will make much of a difference v Galway as well. We're in a shite position tbh.

[lurganblue]

Don't see the point in going to well for O'Neill on this one, I assume  we're approaching the Galway  match realistically and not expecting to win by 7+ pts, no point in burning more matches mentally & physically to come up short and more than likely facing a real do or die match away the following weekend. Should let O'Neill serve his ban and give some game to time to McConville.

Any sign of Tiernan Kelly, injured?

Yes he's injured again

Armagh must have soem of the longest player injuries.

I cannot remember trhe last time I saw Oisin O'Neill or Ciaran O'Hanlon play.

Did the irish news not mention in an article that he is back in training now?  I doubt it though.

[seafoid]

Rian O'Neill brings a lot to Armagh. It's worth a go I think. It's all about momentum

[seafoid]

Are Armagh feeling the after effects of the Ulster Championship? They played a preliminary round, 3 more including the lost final. Tyrone didn't.