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#31
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on June 20, 2023, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 20, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
He punched him surely. Noticed it at the time. It's one of those ones where he knew rightly he would get away with it but if you are clearly caught on camera then you have to deal with the consequences.  He should get a 1 game ban (as much as I would hate that as I think that would be a huge blow to Armagh)

That said, I'm sure there are loads of sly digs to ribs etc in all games that go unpunished and not caught on camera. It's the risk you run if you engage in that behaviour.   For example I stood watching Matty Donnelly choke Forker with 2 hands on 2 occasions in Omagh, not 20 yards from me. No action and no trial by media.

Ahh get away with that there would ye.

It was literally directly in front of me - forker instigated the whole thing - because Armagh were well beat at that stage and were never going to come back, and he wanted to start and stir up stuff.
The two of them had hands on each other. Matty Donnelly is as honest a player you'll get and would not provoke unless provoked.
Forker is what he is - hard enough reliable defender but will never go down as a great in ulster let alone AI history. Has had many a roasting and limitations exposed.

Nonsense.  What did Forker do to instigate being choked... twice?  a bit of goading or slabbering?  Just take it for what it was.  The same way I can see what Forker did last week was wrong. Or Rian too.  Too many supporters put the blinkers on.

I didn't see Donnelly's hands on his throat but I did see Forker with his two arms wrapped round Mattie trying to stop him join a Tyrone attack.
#32
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 20, 2023, 07:50:25 AM
Yeah I do think part of the performance was down to a bit of Tyrone complacency and Westmeath being much better than people have given them credit for. Not helped by some harsh refereeing decisions. Still the management and squad need to take a good look at themselves this week. There is still plenty of capability in the squad but the standards for the past two years have not been good enough for large chunks of it. If they deliver another performance like Sunday again this year it's season over.

None of the boys that have been brought in this year have really nailed down their jersey. You could well be as well going back to more or less the All Ireland team with Darragh Canavan in for McKenna in the hope that the likes of Sludden and McGeary can find form. I did think McGeary had an impact coming on the other day and looked keen.

Any word on McShane? Could be doing with him as an option from the bench but time is running out.
#33
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 19, 2023, 10:36:35 AM
Like all season there was some good elements to yesterday and nice passages of play but poor for periods as well which won't cut it at this level.

Management are going to have to realise that what we are doing isn't working. Going to have to put in place a system like the Kerry league game and tighten up the defence. Also have to get a new plan on opposition kickouts. There is zero point in half pressing and leaving some men free. It either has to be a full press with Morgan out and making sure we are at least competing for possession or else concede the kickout. There is no point having 5/6 men pressed up the pitch with one opposition player getting easily free and then being out of position.

We can certainly beat Donegal but it's going to take an increase in intensity and desire and a change or two. We also have to look at how we are using the bench. Too many players coming on making too little impact and weakening the team.

#34
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 16, 2023, 10:04:44 PM
Anyone that thinks that 15 gets near to beating the starting 15 has serious issues or extreme lack of knockledge.
#35
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 16, 2023, 12:42:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 16, 2023, 12:31:50 PM
Yeah delighted to see RC finally get a start and it will be interesting to see does he hit the frees now as well?
I'd say that's our strongest 15 at the minute but I'd be worried at the lack of firepower from the bench. I wonder are they going to try to get a big lead in the first half and then sit back and manage the game second half with one eye on next week?

Westmeath have performed very well in their first two games particularly in the first half. If Tyrone take their eye of the ball at all they could be in for a very tough match.

You'd like to get some kind of lead in the first half and pull away in the second but there is no guarantee. If did get ahead they will be keeping a close eye on Armagh match as scoring difference could come into play for top spot if Armagh won.
#36
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 14, 2023, 02:01:24 PM
It's a bit easier for Down in the second tier. I don't think any top county would adopt the approach. But there definitely is a strong case to release players who don't make the 26 for a match for that weekends games.

Or if the county had a Saturday game let any that played less than 20 minutes play a league game on the Sunday (assuming some could be played on a Sunday).
#37
I did mean to say that division 2 and 3 should start earlier with top 6 or something qualifying for the knockout stages of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior Championships. Both finals played as a double header in Croke Park. Winners then getting some kind of play off match in All Ireland series as reward. Granted the division 3 champions might struggle but at least they'd be coming in with momentum.

No matter what there has to be a better set up than the current thrown together mess.
#38
I've still yet to see anyone from Armagh come up with a proper issue with the ground. Given it hasn't sold out there obviously wasn't a major issue with capacity. It's fairly central between both counties so no issue there. It's a decent ground which hosted an all Ireland u20 final last year.

It still seems like Armagh wanted it played close to home and over estimated their loyal support.
#39
Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2023, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: illdecide on June 13, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
I've decided to wait on Killarney for next weekend rather than go to Leitrim this weekend. What a shitty ground and venue for such a game, the low crowd and slow uptake in tickets says it all. Was not a game for Croker either as it would only have been 1/3 full...possible double header with 50-60k but the ideal ground would have been Brefni Pk or Tullamore etc. Anyway I expect Armagh to put up another gallant performance but still lose and play Kerry the following weekend which will probably be the end of their season (hope i'm wrong on both). This format is crap and fully expect change next year...The dates are a load of bollix...The Inter County season to be over by the end of July is shocking...

Why do you say that? The vast majority of players are club players and they deserve a decent, proper structured season. We need to give it another year or 2 but the split season looks good so far. The games coming thick and fast is brilliant and means the season isn't stretched out for no reason.

+1👍

The problem isn't the length of the county season. From January to July is 7 full months. The issue is the format with far too many warm up and meaningless games. We're now 6 months into the season and for the big team's there hasn't been one really important match yet that will have significant impact on whether there season is deemed successful. It'll all come down to the knockout stages from the last 12 on. The system needs changed.

The provincial championship needs played first ending no later than St Patrick's day. The winners should be guaranteed some kind of entry to the later stages of the championship if don't do well in the league. The league's should then be played - personally I think 3 divisions of around 11 teams would work best. Winners should be league champions. Around 7 teams should qualify from top division for the All Ireland play off stages and the division 2 (intermediate) and division 3 champions. Places determining what stage you enter the play off rounds.

One issue with the early finish to the county season and important club games during the summer that was never considered was the lack of availability of so many good players due to transfers to America.
#40
General discussion / Re: man city new invincibles
June 13, 2023, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

You could say that about 99% of Irish premiership fans. It's hardly coincidence that nearly everyone supports one of the big clubs. It's not like they have any genuine ties to the clubs.
#41
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 12, 2023, 03:33:37 PM
Who's this meant to be? The squad is thin enough without losing players. Given there is only 2 starred games left you'd imagine anyone leaving now after 6/7 months training is for America (I assume the deadline hasn't passed).
#42
Quote from: armaghniac on June 09, 2023, 03:49:32 AM
Why should people respond to an inconvenient venue by buying tickets 10 days before a game? People could have decided to go on the day if Galway and the GAA were not acting the bollix.

You'd think with all the talk about thousands of the best supporters in Ireland missing out due to the limited capacity that the game would have sold out in minutes. Now they're not buying tickets because a venue 2 hours away exactly half way between both counties is too inconvenient? It seems like Armagh wanted this match on their doorstep. I was at an u20 final in Leitrim last year and it was a lovely venue with plenty of parking.
#43
Quote from: smelmoth on June 07, 2023, 04:56:03 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on June 07, 2023, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on June 07, 2023, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2023, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 07, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2023, 08:29:38 AM
Could easily have played it in the Hyde to satisfy demand from Armagh huge support.

I think that Breffni would have better met this objective.

I was on a the windup as its a ridiculous suggestion as was Breffni.

Breffni is now a ridiculous suggestion as there is the small matter of another game being played at the same time there. But I don't see why it was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place.

There isn't an absolutely ideal ground for this game but Breffni was as close as you could get.

As has been pointed out elsewhere the travel scenario looks very problematic (given other games ongoing and the absence of ring roads or dual carriageways) and the stadium is hardly big enough.

I would be very surprised if Armagh have not objected in some way to this. I am completely against the pointless appeals of disciplinary decisions but this fixture decision looks incompetent.

Journey times from Lurgan, Armagh and  Crossmaglen don't look too bad at just over 2 hours but the reality will be much, much more than that. A lot of Galway is much closer than that. Unless you are coming from Clifden the venue is hardly equidistant.

Armagh had easily 10k in Healy pk and would have more if the capacity allowed.

The criteria that Croke Park use for the distance is from the county ground. There's 5 minutes difference from the Athletic Grounds & Pearse Stadium to Pairc Sean according to google maps.
The total attendance in Healy Park on Saturday was 9k.

On Healy Pk I stand corrected. Whilst the official figure you quote is complete nonsense I do accept that it wasn't a full house. Whilst Armagh had very significantly more than half the crowd it wouldn't have added up to 10k. My bad.

On distance between the counties I will take you at your word on what the official ruling is. It's a strange rule but I suppose there has to be one. Even weirder would be the failure to apply context. The context of getting from Lurgan or any of the towns in S. Armagh to CoS in match traffic when Tyrone are travelling to Breffni at the same time. The contexts of what towns you have to go through and their ability to cope. Going early to get a seat for children then brings in the earlier match at Breffni. In combination these fixtures look ill considered at best.

Presumably the Gardai have given it all their blessing.

You don't go through Cavan when going from Lurgan to Leitrim. You can also avoid it when going from South Armagh as well. I don't think there'll be massive traffic issues in Cavan anyway - can't see a huge crowd there and it'll be well spread out with the two games.
#44
Quote from: larryin89 on June 07, 2023, 04:42:34 PM
What's the permutations for this group , Galway guaranteed top spot ?

Still plenty up for grabs. Galway the only team definitely through. Armagh could get top if won by 6/7 and Tyrone game went right way. Tyrone could still get top with a big win if Armagh beat Galway. If Westmeath beat Tyrone and Armagh win Tyrone go out. If Westmeath beat Tyrone and Galway beat Armagh it'll go down to scoring difference between Tyrone Armagh and Westmeath.
#45
Leitrim was about as neutral as you could get in terms of distances between the counties. Around 2 hours from both. No idea why anyone would think Cavan was more suitable if trying to pick a neutral venue.

Armagh had around 5,000 in Omagh last week and are likely to bring less to a game further away. It'll probably not sell out making the complaining look silly.