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I see people at Tyrone games (when I attend) or know of their attendance through social media that do absolutely nothing for their clubs, nothing to promote the game in their local community, don't attend club games and would hide behind their sofa if a ticket seller appeared.

I would imagine these are the moronic personnel that spout the diatribe at games.

The downside of the Season ticket..these people will get their seats (and probably better ones) in croker long before the loyal club man who supports the county too, but maybe couldnt afford one...

Would dispute the way you have tried to portray season ticket holders above. Anyone from my own club that I see at games would be the same people I'd also see down following the club. If as you say the loyal club men also support the county then the season ticket wont work out dear for them as its cheaper per game. I do appreciate that there are some clashes with club activity during the year but for most people there is no reason you cant support both.

I think there are around 1200 season ticket holders in Tyrone, these are the people who go to watch and support Tyrone all year and are as entitled to anyone to a good ticket at the final. From going to the games all year I've never noticed much bad behaviour from any of the season ticket holders. They generally get behind the team but the chanting and stuff people referred to above about Derry certainly wasn't coming from the season ticket section.

If people were simply paying money to get All Ireland tickets there would be more merit in your point. But you have to attend 60% of all games in the year including league so the people are following the team all year. Many club people get the tickets as you are entitled to a lot of games for a cheaper price, decent seats and less hassle having to run after tickets for the big games. I'm sure there are some county only supporters who for example live outside the county now or for some other reason don't have an allegiance to their club but this is no reason to stop them following the county team all year.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 20, 2017, 02:00:14 PM »
I remember Stevie O'Neill telling me years ago that he thought full back would be Colm's best position. I thought he was crazy.

Yeah Jim McGuinness was more or less saying the same O'Neill in his article that it would be breaking new ground to win Sam without any star players, normally you need both a few star players and great organisation and application. He also talked about teams are so better coached nowadays and thought it interesting what he said how players like McCurry, Ronan O'Neill and maybe Lee Brennan are much more natural selfish score getters who think about how much they can score for themselves whereas Mickey prefers players who are all about the team and maybe that's why he choses Bradley and Mulgrew.

We may not have a star full forward but its wrong to say we don't have star players. The likes of Mattie, Harte, Cavanaghs, Sludden, McCann are top players. If we push forward in numbers come croke park we should be able to put enough scores on the board to trouble most teams.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 19, 2017, 08:18:01 AM »
This is Mickey Harte's 15th season in charge of the Tyrone team. Interesting to look at our record over that time. In 6 of the years (2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017) we won the ulster titles. In two other years that we didn't win the ulster we went on to win the All Ireland (2005 and 2008). In a further two years we reached the All Ireland semi final through the back door (2013 and 2015). So in 10 out of the 15 years he has been manager we have either won the all Ireland, an ulster title or got to the All Ireland semi final. In a further two years we reached a quarter final.

When you consider where we came from before he took over and if you look round at the rest of the counties in ulster that is a serious record. It was crazy that he didn't get reappointed by the county board when he asked for an extension last year. From the outside looking in there appeared to be an itch to get rid of him from some within the county board particularly before the run in 2015.

Some of the main points of complaints on here have been:
Lack of scores - we have averaged 23 points this championship which is probably an ulster championship record for us.
Mickey dominates club fixtures - 9 games played to date with the county players on board. Might even be another one this weekend. I'd say that matches and betters most counties in Ireland.
Not enough east Tyrone men on the team - seems to have increased in recent years. Hampsey McClure Mulgrew Morgan McCurry Cavanaghs x 2 all featured.

Judging by Sunday it seems the majority of the county are back behind the team. Hopefully it stays that way as we continue to go through a great period in Tyrone gaa history. Lets hope for a big finish to the year now and we don't have any flat performances in croke park like last year.
i think your post is very disrespectful to all the good county managers we have had before mickey. where did we come from before mickey? we won ulster in 2001 then national league 2002 so hardly rock bottom. sure art mc crory had won as many ulsters as harte up until sunday. there will be plenty more good tyrone men to manage our team long after harte is gone too

Art McRory did a very good job with Tyrone and helped improve us as a force in ulster, wasn't disrespecting him at all.

Mickey Harte's record with Tyrone is very very impressive. In 10 of the 15 years to have either won an all Ireland, an ulster title or got to an all Ireland semi final is some going. Plus two quarter finals in other years. In the 15 years before he took over we won 4 ulster titles and played in one all Ireland final (losing it) but we also lost in the first round of ulster on 7 occasions.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: July 18, 2017, 03:45:49 PM »
Why is this round starred? Qtr final is not until end of the month.....I see a case for resting some players if carrying knocks but some other players could do with a competitive game. Even using the example of the Dungannon v Aghyaran match both McNulty and McHugh could play and rest McNamee....... Cahir McCullagh should definitely play too......Richard Donnelly...Darren McCurry, Harry Loughran, Michael Cassidy, Justin McMahon etc

It has to be one rule for all or no rules at all.  Rock go to Moy fighting relegation they wont want Harry Loughran playing when that is a designated starred game.  As mentioned above it suits Dungannon to lose McNulty if it means McHugh and McNamee are out.  The fixture schedule probably went smoother than the CCC could ever of anticipated.  Mickey Harte didn't impose any restrictions on earlier games that allowed games to go ahead to benefit the clubs and the county.  The clubs will not be full strength again until the league game prior to the beginning of the championship.

I do agree with the general point, its hard to pick and choose which players can play at short notice. I don't think Rock could have any complaints either way. They have an advantage over teams all year with county players as they have none. Even if Loughran played the Moy would still be two players short. I suppose your looking at it from point of view that some other team at bottom could have played the Moy with the 3 boys missing. But I don't think the starred fixtures were ever meant as a means of weakening the top teams by removing their top players to help the weaker teams.

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Having watched the highlights last night I agree I may have been a bit harsh on Peter Harte. He might not have had as many scores as usual but yes he put in a a lot of work and showed great acceleration that time.

It's interesting that we're scoring so much from play this year and I think I read in the IN that we only gave away one scoreable free in the first 28 mins or something crazy like that. One of the things I like the most is we have so many players who can shoot from distance and so it's not always necessary to play the conventional way of kicking it into a forward who then turns and shoots. Actually most of the times they tried to kick it into the FF line in the first half they made a mess of the pass or else the forward was swallowed up, wheres that period in the 3rd quarter we went back to what we do best and that is running at pace and then shooting from just outside the large D.

O'Rourke made the comment that most of our scores come from MF and defence now with players arring to the attack late and then shooting from distance when everyone else is bottled up.
Spillane was still suggesting that we have no top range forwards and that we're not ruthless enough with our goal chances which will cost us in the big games.

I think back in 2003 we were also a high points scoring team and not focusing much on goals.

There seems to be a great obsession about having to score lots of goals to do well. In 2003 Tyrone won it without scoring a goal in the semi final or final. In 2005 and 2008  we got one goal in the finals. Dublin won an All Ireland two years ago scoring 12 points v Kerry. I'd be more worried if we were relying on goals to win games.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: July 18, 2017, 08:18:26 AM »
Is this weekends game definitely a starred one then? I know its starred round 3 so assume it is too but just checking it hasn't changed. I did think the 5 games was the maximum number of starred games and there could be less depending on progress of the fixtures. But at the same time 13 days out from a quarter final they might be happy to let the county team focus on that.

Though the club games have worked well to date for the county players and it is hard on the players in the squad not getting game time without them. It's obviously also hard on clubs who really need the points to miss their best player or players.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 18, 2017, 08:07:51 AM »
This is Mickey Harte's 15th season in charge of the Tyrone team. Interesting to look at our record over that time. In 6 of the years (2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2016, 2017) we won the ulster titles. In two other years that we didn't win the ulster we went on to win the All Ireland (2005 and 2008). In a further two years we reached the All Ireland semi final through the back door (2013 and 2015). So in 10 out of the 15 years he has been manager we have either won the all Ireland, an ulster title or got to the All Ireland semi final. In a further two years we reached a quarter final.

When you consider where we came from before he took over and if you look round at the rest of the counties in ulster that is a serious record. It was crazy that he didn't get reappointed by the county board when he asked for an extension last year. From the outside looking in there appeared to be an itch to get rid of him from some within the county board particularly before the run in 2015.

Some of the main points of complaints on here have been:
Lack of scores - we have averaged 23 points this championship which is probably an ulster championship record for us.
Mickey dominates club fixtures - 9 games played to date with the county players on board. Might even be another one this weekend. I'd say that matches and betters most counties in Ireland.
Not enough east Tyrone men on the team - seems to have increased in recent years. Hampsey McClure Mulgrew Morgan McCurry Cavanaghs x 2 all featured.

Judging by Sunday it seems the majority of the county are back behind the team. Hopefully it stays that way as we continue to go through a great period in Tyrone gaa history. Lets hope for a big finish to the year now and we don't have any flat performances in croke park like last year.


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You Tyrone hoors are cocky bastids...Maybe we should all amalgamate and then we'll have a half a chance of winning other than that is there any point in even showing up.
So who do Tyrone play in the semi finals? Has that been drawn yet?. Get your hotels booked for all Ireland final weekend and remember us peasants looking for a ticket

Cocky? Half the county have been looking rid of harte all year cause we're going no where. Ignoring the winding the next day is a big game. As noted our quarter final record as Ulster champs hss been very poor. That will focus the minds and hopefully lead up a performance which is enough to get us over the line. We've been looking a crack at the dubs for years and are one win away from getting the chance.

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I don't know Jinxy, Tyrone look awesome, these boys are all pumped up,
you only had to see the way Big Sean (finally) got himself up of the grass after being stabbed in the back by the cowardly McKernon and soldiered on, that surely was an awesome sight.

There's a time we'd have taken the bate but after watching Monaghan get beat by Longford and then down in championship football followed by a huge struggle to get past Carlow I think we all just feel sorry for them these days. It was a golden era for Monaghan football with two ulsters but failure to get to a semi will haunt the county.

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We'll beat the three of them on the one day if they all want to come and have a go.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Gaelic Football on TV
« on: July 17, 2017, 07:29:01 PM »
On another note how come any time there's a poor game in football do hurling fans feel the need to bring up hurling? Is it an inferiority thing because it's less popular than football? I found both The Munster and Leinster hurling  finals boring but never would have thought of slagging them off or go on about football.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Gaelic Football on TV
« on: July 17, 2017, 07:20:18 PM »
No offence bud wiser but you sound like a grumpy old man. Yesterday's game wasn't great just like numerous games in the hurling. The reason it was poor for a neutral was mainly down to it being too one sided and an inevitable win for Tyrone.

 Down are probably around the 12-14th best team in football. Imagine a hurling game between the 3-4 best team in Ireland and someone ranked 12-14, it would be a complete and utter waste of time. Hurling gets an easier ride as the games on tv are usually top 6/7 teams meeting each other.

For all the criticism Tyrone get they play some great football at times. They've average 23 points in this years championship, that's not far behind the dubs and they're second top scorers per game in Ireland. Some wonderful scores too. From long distance points to great team moves to chopping goal keeper. And if you watched the game you'd have seen some wonderful fielding from Tyrone around the middle who regularly went long from the kickout.

It's been a very good championship to date, better than most years. Plenty of shocks, big crowds and very high scoring. Refereeing needs looked at though as there's too many fussy refs out there.

The end to last years championship was fantastic with great games between Dublin Mayo and Kerry. This years championship looks set up for even more top games. Like every sport there'll be some poor games ahead and some crackers, take the rough with the smooth instead of trying to find fault to give out about like all the other hurling snobs.

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Some nonsense talk on here regarding Tyrone as usual. We were never going to learn anything today about how we'd do against the better teams. It was a game in which they were on a hiding to nothing and just to get through. They did the job scoring 2 17 mostly from play, an awful lot more than Armagh or Monaghan managed.

Some nice scores and great fielding. Good to see newer players like hampsey and mcclure stand up. Plenty to work on too. But tonight is about celebrating back to back ulsters. Just a few years ago that seemed a long long way away.

The dubs walk through Leinster most years with huge tallies. As far back as 08 they were hammering Wexford and Tyrone were told they'd no chance against them. Hopefully we get a crack at them anyway, id be shocked if they scored 2 23.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 2017 GAA Season Ticket
« on: July 15, 2017, 07:45:51 AM »
Ulster Final tickets seem a bit shit

I thought they seem very good. Right in the middle of the pat mcgrane? Far better than towards the corner of the Gerry Arthur's. Unless you're towards the front, that could be a problem.

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Folks, do you think there'll be tickets available in clones on Sunday?

Ulster council said there'll be none for sale on the day. Though I'm sure there'll be odd spare one floating about. There is still terrace tickets available in SuperValu etc up to tomorrow. The shops are listed on the Ulster gaa website I think.

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