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The issue here is surely the fact that such a big county like Tyrone has only one floodlit venue in Omagh

They channel all their money into winning the McKenna Cup.

Tyrone were the best team in Ulster in January 2016 and 2017 and proved it again come July. Maybe some of the other ulster counties who have won nothing of note in a long time should start taking it a bit more serious.

And what, straw clutching - Ulster is shite.  ;D ;D

Tyrone just won back to back ulster titles. I'm not sure anyone from the other 8 ulster counties are in a position to take the hand out of them for also adding McKenna Cup's to their trophy haul. If anything it proved it didn't do any harm and the form held up later in the year. Dublin or Mayo could look down their nose at the McKenna Cup but you'd think some of the other ulster counties would be glad to try and win something.

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The issue here is surely the fact that such a big county like Tyrone has only one floodlit venue in Omagh

They channel all their money into winning the McKenna Cup.

Tyrone were the best team in Ulster in January 2016 and 2017 and proved it again come July. Maybe some of the other ulster counties who have won nothing of note in a long time should start taking it a bit more serious.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Thank God it was not a draw!
« on: September 18, 2017, 11:15:04 PM »
Some people would rather they weren't reduced so they have something to complain about. I'd say they'd have no problem getting people to pay 60 Euro for another game like yesterday. Fantastic entertainment, pity there wasn't a replay.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 16, 2017, 09:04:40 PM »
That's a total disgrace, games on Sunday and match in Armagh Wednesday night. What's the rush? 6/7 weeks to play with before Ulster club. bound to be able to refuse to play a game outside your county in a county competition. Sickener here is there will be huge neutral presence and county board will still clean up

Think people will over play the outside the county bit. The athletic grounds is around 45 minutes from both teams which isn't any longer than other teams travel in Tyrone. It's an excellent venue. It's a pity a second decent ground with lights hasn't been put in place in Tyrone but it's a good alternative.

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General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: September 15, 2017, 10:47:12 PM »
I thought they announced that existing BoxNation subscribers DIDN'T have to pay anything extra.

Sorry I just see that. Assumed when they went to bother of setting up a box office channel that they were charging for everyone. Won't get up at 4 in morning but handier for watching it early on Sunday.

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General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: September 15, 2017, 12:34:11 PM »
The fight is on a new specific box nation pay per view channel. Existing customers to BT/Boxnation will still have to pay to watch this fight as well as non customers (who I assume will have the option to buy it as well).

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: September 14, 2017, 11:33:26 PM »
dont worry bomber il still be here. will be following with extra interest. just wont be forkin out my hard earned to watch it.

You leaving the Tyrone supporters club as well? People who support managers as opposed to teams are weird.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Croke Park Experience
« on: September 14, 2017, 10:44:09 AM »


But what are you comparing ticket prices too when you say they are high? Leinster are playing Munster in the pro 14 in the Aviva (very much a secondary competition) and the half decent seated tickets are 55-60 euro. Even for a home game against one of the Scottish teams a lot of the seats are 45-50 euro. I think I saw ulster ticket prices for the seated stand at over 50 for a pro 14 game. I've no idea how much the European games are but presumably they're dearer again and at one stage the six nations games were around 100 euro. Ireland play Moldova next month and tickets are 40-60 euro.

All Ireland quarter finals cost 35 euro with 5 euro tickets widely available for children. Even for the all Ireland semi finals (the biggest games of the year) tickets cost 45 euro with 5 euro children's tickets widely available. Dublin's home league games in croke park are 15 euro for adults and 5 I think for children.

They were only a tenner if bought in advance. According to the ads on the telly, there was some sort of deal, where they were even cheaper (per game) if you bought a package deal for all of the games. You usually got to see the hurlers too. Although they are so shite these days, the Dublin Co Board should be paying spectators to watch them, not the other way around.  ::)

I didn't even factor in the fact that the average county has only 7 league games in the year and maybe about 4/5 on average championship games to pay into. On the other hand the leinster rugby team who I compared prices too would have maybe say 20 pro 14 games and a further 6 plus European games. That's a lot of games to gather up money from. When you actually compare the prices it's crazy to think someone would accuse the gaa prices of being dear.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Croke Park Experience
« on: September 14, 2017, 08:36:10 AM »

To me the Croke Park Experience is

1. Overpriced tickets. Nonsense. The price of tickets is very, very good, compared to other sports, especially as more often than not, you get to see more than one game on the day.

2. Crap atmosphere. A massive over generalisation. The quality of the game, the competitive aspect to it and the history of the two teams playing has a big role to play in the atmosphere on the day. The Dublin/Tyrone game was over as a contest after five minutes. Hence the crap atmosphere. The hurling final was a different ball game entirely. To say that every single game has a crap atmosphere, is ridiculous. It is not the fault of Croke Park (the stadium, not the GAA as a whole) that Kildare play so few exciting, competitive games there.

3. Expensive Parking. Croke Park doesn't have any parking. So how can you call it expensive? It is an inner city stadium. It is hard to find any of them, with multi storey car parks attached. Parking is free on many of the the surrounding roads, especially on Sundays. I have no sympathy for the GAA supporter who expects to be able to rock up to an 82,000 seater stadium, park right next door to it, have a handy get away and oh yeah, do it all for 50p.

4. Crap food at all levels. No argument there. The near constant smell of cheap, mass produced curry sauce (which is watery as fcuk when poured over your chips,) is stomach churning. And the beer ain't much better ! But show me an equivilent stadium of its size, that has decent grub.

I have serious Croke Park fatigue, Corporate GAA have sucked the joy out of the stadium. Provincial grounds so much better. My highlight of the summer was kicking a football around with my son and daughter in O'Connor Park after the Kildare/Meath game. That was an experience and a memory.

I hate when people use double headers as a justification for high ticket prices, I am there to see one team and one team only. And double headers kill the atmosphere. I am not a happy clappy fan. Majority of football games in Croke Park in my opinion are shit spectacles, the odd game doesn't make up for that.

But what are you comparing ticket prices too when you say they are high? Leinster are playing Munster in the pro 14 in the Aviva (very much a secondary competition) and the half decent seated tickets are 55-60 euro. Even for a home game against one of the Scottish teams a lot of the seats are 45-50 euro. I think I saw ulster ticket prices for the seated stand at over 50 for a pro 14 game. I've no idea how much the European games are but presumably they're dearer again and at one stage the six nations games were around 100 euro. Ireland play Moldova next month and tickets are 40-60 euro.

All Ireland quarter finals cost 35 euro with 5 euro tickets widely available for children. Even for the all Ireland semi finals (the biggest games of the year) tickets cost 45 euro with 5 euro children's tickets widely available. Dublin's home league games in croke park are 15 euro for adults and 5 I think for children.

People can argue that the other sports are professional but they have greater source's of income and I'd rather my money went to the gaa where the money got ploughed back into the association rather than pay players huge inflated salaries. I sometimes wonder what people expect from the gaa in terms of ticket prices or where they think the money goes.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Croke Park Experience
« on: September 13, 2017, 06:15:47 PM »
Dear Redhand Santa I don't like the whole Croke Park "experience".

OK?

I'm trying to work out what this 'experience' is you are talking about. You said you are only interested in the football which is fair enough. I can't work out what in the experience is stopping you from watching the game and enjoying it? Walk in, take seat, watch game, go home - what is so different in croke park to other venues? No one is asking you to stand out the back and watch people not watching the game, that was your initial issue.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Croke Park Experience
« on: September 13, 2017, 04:09:39 PM »
I only go to grounds for the match not the peripheral stuff.
At least when you go to a club game or County games outside of Croker you don't feel like a consumer who just happens to also take in the match as an optional extra.
Each to our own though.

What exactly is your issue with it? There's a pitch with a game on and a seat to sit in to watch it. What is so different to other grounds that you dislike? The fact that there's stalls out the back that sell food and beer that are expensive? If that bothered me I just wouldn't buy anything there.

As I said earlier there was a good buzz out the back the day of Tyrone Dublin, I went out between games. I'm sure there was people out there during the minor match. The people out the back during the game don't spoil the match for me as I'm inside watching it. The only bad experience I had was at a big Dublin game were I was seated among their supporters (this is not a dig at Dublin supporters just the experience). For the 3/4's of the match people going in and out to their seat and standing up restricting my view. I can certainly see why that would annoy someone but that's the only time it was a huge issue in croke park and happens at other games outside croke park too.

At club double header games I regularly see people coming in or leaving depending on whichever game they aren't interested in. I assume that would annoy you too?

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Croke Park Experience
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:40:36 PM »
The "Croke Park experience" does nothing for me.
Only go there now when I have to (Ros teams playing).
Arriving 15 minutes into the Galway/Kerry Qtr Final and seeing more people milling around out the back drinking eating talking than were in seats watching the game just sums it up for me.
An earlier poster referred to it a a good night out.

And would you rather it is a bad night out? It was me said it and I would be at club and county games all year long. I wouldn't miss a minute of the games when there but enjoy the experience of going down early and having a few drinks after for the early season league games when we play there.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Croke Park Experience
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:48:17 AM »
Personally love going to games in croke park. Tickets usually good value though food/drink inside the ground over priced. I wouldn't argue that the atmosphere can be poor at some games but for others it's brilliant. The Kerry Mayo semi final had a great atmosphere as did last years semi finals and finals in the football. From talking to one's at it there was a great atmosphere at the hurling final.

There was a poor atmosphere at the Tyrone Dublin game due to how the game went but I was in for the two games before it that day and thought there was a great buzz around the ground. There was a stage up out the back of the cusack and plenty going on in the couple of hours before the senior game. Even for early season games I thought the Tyrone Dublin league game was a good night out.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 11, 2017, 12:39:08 PM »
a very enjoyable victory last evening, Dromore had one wide in the game, and in those conditions that is an impressive stat. We had 6/7 wides, so we had the lions share of chances. first half was very even, the first 15 of the second half belonged to Dromore as we struggled to get ball and they made great use of possession. Then there changes made by the line and you could see the game turning as we pressed, we took over the last ten, only one winner at that point. One poster earlier said Dromore will be kicking themselves for not finishing the job, does that mean he thought Dromore would have the ball the entire second half against a team like Clonoe, I don't think so.It not like Dromore missed chances, they didn't. So Clonoe were always going get a run of possession, it was up to them to create scores in that period. The benches of both teams impacted, Clonoe had a bench, Dromore  didn't. It boiled down when the game was in the melting pot who would you put your money on.

Dromore went 4 points up with around ten minutes left and looked to be on top. At that stage they looked like very likely winners. It was a great finish by Clonoe to pull it back though with the goal coming at a crucial time. The stronger sub bench definitely helped make a difference.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 11, 2017, 12:36:44 PM »
Real sickener for club players having to play there championship each year in heavy pitches with wind and rain. The weather at the weekend was atrocious for players having to play there biggest games of the year. No doubt more of the same over the coming weeks and even a cancelaation or 2 due to waterlogged pitch!!

It's Ireland and you just have to get on with it as best as possible. There is no time of year you are guaranteed good weather without rain or wind. August was very miserable and different years June for example has had loads of very wet days. September normally isn't too bad.

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