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GAA Discussion / Re: International rules
« on: November 13, 2017, 02:22:13 PM »
Begrudgers out in force today.
Is it the purpose of the GAA to encourage the playing of the national games or to try and introduce a bastardised version of football?
There's a lot of clubs in Roscommon who could do with a share of the money the junket costs

Cost is another reason quite often thrown out as a reason to stop the series. Are you sure it actually costs money? When you consider ticket sales, sponsorship, jersey sales, tv rights etc I'd say it more than covers itself.

Like someone said earlier I'm not sure what impact Marc O'Se thinks the series had on club football. I haven't heard of any stories were players missed important club games over it this year. And I'm pretty sure the game being on tv at 5 yesterday morning had no impact on attendances at club games yesterday.

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General discussion / Re: Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment RTE 2
« on: November 10, 2017, 08:30:15 AM »
1990's moments -

O'Leary penalty
Clare hurlers 95
Clare footballers 92
Alan McLoughlin goal
Donegal/Derry winning Sam
Maurice Fitz 97 final
Houghton again 94
Michelle Smith golds
If it's to be Ireland's Greatest sporting moment it has to be something that happens on an international stage like a World Cup or Olympics or whatever. Where the whole country is at a standstill and watching and everyone remembers where they were when it happened.
Clare winning an All Ireland in 1995 or Donegal or Derry winning isn't one of those moments. It's great for the people from them counties but no one outside of that.

The obvious standout moment is David O'Learys peno.
I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.

More people regularly watch the all Ireland final than the big international sporting events so the country obviously comes to a standstill for it. Although people aren't directly supporting them people will have great interest in new teams making a breakthrough or in Kerry getting beat for five in a row for example. More interest than someone doing well in a random sport like cycling that they generally would have no interest or knowledge in.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 09, 2017, 08:33:23 AM »
What are we on a GAA forum talking about anyway? The price of garden furniture? Some amount of Snowflake princesses on here. Hypothetically if I was getting critism for my performances on the pitch I wouldn't start crying like a baby but go back out and prove the doubters wrong!

The price of garden furniture lol Class

Wouldnt this be a much boring place if we all came on and agreed with the Errigal Pose and all that tyrone do. Jes it wouldnt be far aff North Korea at that rate. Forums are for opinions - Horrible footballer, shouldnt be anywere near a County set up never mind starting week in/week out and now touted as potential Captain. Tyrone Fans Weep

Yeah its much better to come on to a forum behind a user name and slag off local players who give up 9/10 months of the year to represent our county. I probably wouldn't pick McRory in my starting team but at times over the years he has did decent marking jobs including for example against McKiernan last year. He always puts in a 100% on the pitch and works hard for the team.

For all the talk of the bias it should be noted that only 2 out of a 35 man squad have been from Errigal in recent years. Not a high representation from one of the top clubs in Tyrone. Even Ardboe had that many players involved in the squad this year. Also no Errigal man has ever held one of the key jobs in the backroom team - trainer or assistant manager.

I get labelled on here as some big Harte fan where as in reality I'm just a Tyrone fan who has respected what he did for the county and still believe he is the best man for the job. Back to back ulster's at any time in our history would be considered successful. Anyway I think I'm done on here as can't be bothered with the constant childish crap from the newbies and the constant over the top negativity. I think you lads should be left too your fun without being interrupted by reason and logic.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 05, 2017, 03:21:28 PM »
Lee and Ruari Brennan and Richie Donnelly earned their call outs because they were outstanding for trillick. Have they improved because they went to tyrone training? You could argue they have went backwards especially the Brennan lads.
Take omagh who won the county title. Meyer was very good as he was with st marys but doesnt get a look in. I just can't see Ronan oneill ever being in the condition to start for tyrone and he hasn't made any progress in all his years in the panel
. Conor Clarke was ruined by county football. Tierney earned a county call up last time omagh won the championship. Got a few runs and was embarrassed in kerry when left all day on James odonoghue and has not been the same player since. Poor justy stayed one last year and never got a minute and ended up couldn't even make the omagh team through lack of football.
Ronan McHugh Harry Loughran and cahir mccullagh were all in excellent form for the club before they went to county training and I am sure the first 2 especially will stay on as they might get a chance. They have the raw talent so it is up to the county mgmt to bring them on.
In reality though you could say that if fit mcaliskey will take the place of big Sean and the rest will stay more or less the same come the big games next year.
After all a lot of people think tyrone Tyrone were not too far away this year.
And to the reds on here I am just aa much bigger advocate of the club than the county. And that is all clubs. When you look at the most successful club teams like cross slaughtneil and kilcoo they all put club before county. Even in tyrone some of our most successful clubs like clonoe and carrickmore do likewise.
It wasn't always like this for me. When I played in the 80s and 90s our county men trained with us most of the time, even played in challenge games and tournament matches.
Somewhere along the way this has changed and to me that is at the detriment of the game.
And it is only going to get worse next year with the new fixtures schedule and u20s played in the summer.
And redzone if you ever managed a team that had county players at all age levels but not the biggest squad you would be frustrated to.

Despite the yaps, I agree 100% with whatís highlighted above

Just to clear a few things up above which is a perfect of example of the inaccuracies thrown out. Barry Tierney got called up to the Tyrone panel prior to omagh winning the championship. He got the roasting by oídonoghue in 2014. He wasnít disregarded after that and went on to start in that yearís championship and indeed in the 2015 championship for Tyrone. He was a member of the Tyrone panel at the time of starring in the Tyrone championship win for omagh and run to the Ulster final. He pulled out of the Tyrone panel last year due to working away and if anything his form has dipped since then,

Justy McMahon was injured for a lot of the year and never got a run going to get in a position to make the team. He has also been struggling for injuries with omagh. Unfortunately this has been an issue with just throughout his career and I donít think the county management are to blame, happens plenty of players. 

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 05, 2017, 02:59:10 PM »
There are examples of bright prospects up and down the country not making it. Whether that be club or county football. You lads just have a very black and white view of the problem. You ignore the likes of hampsey and Sludden pushing on to be key players but will pick out the players who havenít made it and blame that on the county set up. You argue that county football has ruined all the squad players as club players but will happily ignore all the examples I gave of squad players starring for their clubs in recent years.

Itís a bit early to say Lee Brennan has gone backwards. Back in 2015 he wasnít making the u21 team at the start of the year. This year he was the top scorer in division one despite missing 5 games. I donít think he was ready for county football yet and the next few years will determine whether he makes it.

Someone who is 26 plus and has been with the county squad a few years without making it should definitely consider walking away. But the younger lads should be given the time to develop without being subject to this constant talk of them being ruined for trying to play at the top of the game for a team theyíve no doubt grown up suppprting.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 05, 2017, 09:36:52 AM »
No point talking facts like that on here bomber when it doesnít suit the agenda. Every player who gets injured or doesnít make it is down to Mickey harte. Any player who happens to make it is as a result of luck.

Iím a huge fan of club football but think the county game has a place too and gets a hard time on here. I assume it wonít be too long now before a squad is out in place for the McKenna cup.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 04, 2017, 04:55:44 PM »
Read a tweet last night that Moy have more all star awards (11) than any other Tyrone club and equal Errigal with 4 club members getting all stars. Does this stat show how much the club has underachieved over this past few years? Or as a small club are they punching above their weight. Can't make my mind up. Certainly when they had Mellon, Jordan, the 2 Cavanagh's and maybe even Holmes in the same team for a few years (although Holmes may not have played with Colm).

Would any club in Ulster have more?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 04, 2017, 09:56:04 AM »
Now that for most Clubs the season is over I think it should be said that the fixtures at senior level run a lot smoother this year with regular games and the season finishing up earlier than other years.

Itís early but given the master fixtures are out for next year theyíll need to start considering next year. Itís going to be tougher than this year. Like last year there is a good gap between Tyroneís last league game which is 25th march and first round of Ulster which is 20th May. There is 6 weekends there (assuming donít make the final) to get games played which is a good start to the league.

After that things will be different. Unlike last year were Tyrone had 3 weeks between games allowing a round of fixtures to be played between each Tyrone match this wonít happen next year. If they go through Ulster the games will be every two weeks apart from maybe before the quarter final. So they will get two or three less fixtures played. A few fixtures less played can cause a mess at the end of the season once the championship starts.

I donít know what the solution is. If it was me Iíd have two double rounds of fixtures early on. Games on a Thursday and a Sunday those weekends. I know midweek isnít ideal for everyone. But if the fixtures were out early in the year and everyone knew the two Thursdays the games were I think thereíd be less complaints as people could plan for them. Would definitely be better than teams knocked out of the championship having league games in November.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 04, 2017, 09:40:45 AM »
Redzone heavily involved in coaching at club level. You might say the players are available for 10 games but you never see them around the club at training so they just come in for games and leave. Unfair on them and the club. If you are a sure starter for the county then brilliant work away. If you are from number 22 up getting little or no game time I don't know what joy there is in it. Even the lads on the panel in 03 05 and 08 who did not get any game time cannot really feel like all ireland winners. So it must be even harder now watching a team getting beat by 20 points in croke park and realising that you are not even close to it!
And I bave seen a few times at close quarters the harm it does to really good club players to get called on to the county panel , used for training games and then sent back to the club after a couple of years.
I am sure it is fantastic for the 20 lads who get regular game time.
When you think about it the lads on the panel from 21 to 35 deserve the most credit.

Your original comment that theyíll play in house games all year and wonít play for their clubs was wrong. It isnít ideal not being available for the club during the summer but they do get a good run with them in April/May and again come championship.

There is loads of examples to prove being a squad player doesnít have to hold you back with your club. Lee Brennan Rory Brennan and Ritchie Donnelly played a big role in trillick championship win despite limited Tyrone game time. Bradley and Conall McCann played big roles for killyclogher in their championship win despite limited Tyrone time. Same for Meyler with omagh this year. Lee Brennan was the top scorer in division one this year. At intermediate level the pomeroy county lads starred last year despite limited time and harry loughran has delivered for The Moy this year. Ronan McHugh was the second top scorer in division two and had a big part in Aghyaran promotion.

The county lads get access to top training and conditioning and exposure to football at a higher level. Itís great outlet for our players to play at the top level. As I said hsmpsey is a good example of someone who had patience last year and pushed this year. I do agree that after a few years if you havenít made it you should consider moving on. But quite often players not playing well being blamed on them being on the county panel is an easy excuse.

Itís also good that the our clubs in Tyrone support their players and encourage them to compete st the top level of our games. Seeing players do well at county level can provide a lot of pride for our clubs.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 04, 2017, 09:28:55 AM »
Congratulations to Colm Cavanagh. Well deserved award for a player who has worked incredibly hard to establish himself as a key man for Tyrone. Hopefully a good bit more to come from him.

He deserved one but probably at chb or full back because he spent most of his time in those areas. Enda smith and tom parsons were better at midfield this year and are both extremely unlucky.

The GAA have for many years nominated players in positions they haven't played in. e.g. Canavan at CHF at expense of Brian McGuigan in 2005.  That in no way detracts from Colm Cavanagh's award. Well done big man! Tyrone Legend with more to come.

wonder what qualifies as a Tyrone legend?  Frank Mc Guigan, Peter Canavan, Iggy Jones frank Donnelly legends in my eyes! Colm Cavanagh? don't think so.  Played his best football as a spoiler

Conor Gormley ruled out then as well? Do you have to be a forward to be a legend?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 03, 2017, 11:15:00 AM »
Why would anyone want to join the panel? Train like hell to get a few minutes in ofiach and McKenna cup and then play in house games for the rest of the year whilst not being able to play for your club.
You will get all the heat though and be able to say you are a county player

Have they brought a new rule in that you canít play for your club? Unless itís changed you can play ten league games for your club plus championship. It didnít do the omagh lads any harm being in the county panel this year, the killyclogher lads last year or the trillick lads the year before.

I donít think a player should hang around for years if they arenít getting game time. But a player in his first year or two has to have patience to get into the team and get up to the speed and physical level of county football. Some people were saying Hampsey should quit last year and he went on to be a star player this year.

I donít know why some of you lads who have no time for the county spend their days crying on here about one thing or another.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« on: October 24, 2017, 03:31:19 PM »
There is no A and B nonsense this year.
Only way to address the imbalances between the numbers in the Provinces is to have no link between the Provincials and the AI.
You'd have to play the Provincials as stand alone so and then start from scratch with an AI.
That will happen many years from now when you have Senior, Inter and Junior AIs.
Meanwhile you'd have to bring in some system where any win in a Provincial let's you jump a round of Qualifiers.
seed the All Ireland draw, seeding based on National League and Provincial champ performances. then No 1 team play No 32 etc.

That way all league games impact actual AI championship draw.

That would also stop the cry about not enough championship games.

How would it give more Championship games than the present system?

If both the NFL league and prov champ games impacted your overall seeding for an AI championship draw, then the 8 league games are championship level games, obviously building up to the the All Ireland draw.

This would provide clarity and reduce the backdoor concept and increase the profile of the NFL. It would also free up weekends for the club.

So for Ulster counties
min county games -  7 league plus 1 prov and 1 All-Ireland = 9 championship games
Max county season   7 league plus 4 prov and 5 All-Ireland = 16 championship games



Played in NY, the championship mentality covered the league games before the knockout rounds. All the games were full on and must win.

Do you really think it would bother the division one teams which of the division 4 teams they'd be playing in the first round?

 Effectively division two and three teams would be playing each other,  with a lot around the same level again meaning which you drew wouldn't be that big a deal. I don't think it would lead to teams going all out during the league or matches feeling anything like a championship game.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« on: October 19, 2017, 05:33:02 PM »
Ahhh Redhand you're far too nice for this forum.
You have to be moaning and running down things at all costs.
Seŗnie  you're right about ye're bucks heading to Ruislip and the Laythrums going to NY.
The London CB might lose out on bar takings this year as their Bank Holiday weekend will be gone unless of course it's on 6th May.

There are plenty of things to complain about when it comes to the scheduling of club football with the fault lying between central gaa, county boards and clubs themselves (not taking games/competitions seriously when county players not involved and getting games called off). But I don't think tonight's championship draw or the international rules are huge issues when it comes to the lack of clear club fixtures. If anything the early draw should help club fixture planning.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« on: October 19, 2017, 04:55:04 PM »
Anything for the GAA to get the focus back on the county teams and away from the clubs... time enough doing this in February... most borefest the football anyway

I'd have thought it was more to do with getting a master fixtures schedule in place for the following year allowing the counties to know when they will play and in theory plan club fixtures etc around it. I'm sure the gaa would get more exposure out of the draw if it was closer to championship time but it just isn't appropriate. I don't see tonight's draw having a huge impact on the focus on club games.
Of course it. longballin, do you actually believe what you've just typed or are you just being mischievous?

I believe GAA has little regard for club games and view them as a necessary nuisance even to point of putting on Aussie Rules game right in middle of club championship rather than February or preferably never...

The vast majority of players club seasons will be finished up by November and those still playing will be happy to miss the international rules. So maybe with the odd exception (seems unlikely this year) the players playing won't miss any club games as the season is over.  The games will be on tv early in the mornings so won't clash with club games. How do you see them impacting the club games? Personally I wouldn't begrudge any player going on the trip to represent their country providing they aren't missing important club games.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Provincial Championship Draws 2018 tonight
« on: October 19, 2017, 04:00:45 PM »
Anything for the GAA to get the focus back on the county teams and away from the clubs... time enough doing this in February... most borefest the football anyway

I'd have thought it was more to do with getting a master fixtures schedule in place for the following year allowing the counties to know when they will play and in theory plan club fixtures etc around it. I'm sure the gaa would get more exposure out of the draw if it was closer to championship time but it just isn't appropriate. I don't see tonight's draw having a huge impact on the focus on club games.

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