Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2023

[clarshack]

Is there a lot of counties were league is not taking serious a seen as a warm up to championship

Whats the point of the leagues then if they are essentially glorified challenge matches?

Wait to you see antrim next season!@

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[Hoof Hearted]

Is there a lot of counties were league is not taking serious a seen as a warm up to championship

Whats the point of the leagues then if they are essentially glorified challenge matches?

Wait to you see antrim next season!@

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16 team division one with no relegation or promotion from division 2

[DownFanatic]

Ulster JFC Semi Final Results

Blackhill (Monaghan) 2-10 Fintona (Tyrone) 0-07
Arva (Cavan) 1-11 Lisnaskea (Fermanagh) 0-04

[InnocentByStander]

Ulster JFC Semi Final Results

Blackhill (Monaghan) 2-10 Fintona (Tyrone) 0-07
Arva (Cavan) 1-11 Lisnaskea (Fermanagh) 0-04

Pretends to be shocked...

[Armagh18]

Ulster JFC Semi Final Results

Blackhill (Monaghan) 2-10 Fintona (Tyrone) 0-07
Arva (Cavan) 1-11 Lisnaskea (Fermanagh) 0-04

Pretends to be shocked...

Up blackhill!

[SouthOfThe Bann]

This is Blackhill's 3rd Ulster Junior Club final in  8 years.

Do they deliberately get relegated just to get a handy championship win.

This should be questioned more than the fact Arva are a division 1 side?

I personally will be supporting the underdogs Arva this weekend.

[Armagh18]

This is Blackhill's 3rd Ulster Junior Club final in  8 years.

Do they deliberately get relegated just to get a handy championship win.

This should be questioned more than the fact Arva are a division 1 side?

I personally will be supporting the underdogs Arva this weekend.

Intermediate and junior would be strong in Monaghan. Could be a multitude of reasons Blackhill get relegated. Often when a team wins a championship the following year they struggle, hard to get the huge buy in and effort needed for lads to hit top form required to win a championship 2 years in a row, older lads may decide to step away on a high after winning championships, lads who maybe had plans to travel etc may have put them on hold for a chance to win something. Maybe Blackhill are just one of those teams who yoyo, see it all the time in all sports teams that are too good for the lower tier but struggle at higher level.

[Armagh18]

Not sure how a division 1 team is gonna be an underdog in a junior match though.

[intheknowhow]

This is Blackhill's 3rd Ulster Junior Club final in  8 years.

Do they deliberately get relegated just to get a handy championship win.

This should be questioned more than the fact Arva are a division 1 side?

I personally will be supporting the underdogs Arva this weekend.

Intermediate and junior would be strong in Monaghan. Could be a multitude of reasons Blackhill get relegated. Often when a team wins a championship the following year they struggle, hard to get the huge buy in and effort needed for lads to hit top form required to win a championship 2 years in a row, older lads may decide to step away on a high after winning championships, lads who maybe had plans to travel etc may have put them on hold for a chance to win something. Maybe Blackhill are just one of those teams who yoyo, see it all the time in all sports teams that are too good for the lower tier but struggle at higher level.

Correct. Monaghan intermediate is hard and difficult. 10 teams, 2 relegated from senior and 2 from junior creates a very difficult league to stay in. Blackhill themselves have about 30 adult players in total....

[SouthOfThe Bann]

All fair points, alot of which are applicable to Arva.

One bad year relegated them to junior, due to injuries and players away.

And even when they got their act together they still couldn't win junior but got promoted in a diluted division 2.

It's surely to be one of the highest quality Ulster Junior finals, I'd still have Black Hill as slight favourites though.

[intheknowhow]

I don't like the Cavan system, Monaghan is the fairest. 1 team up via league, 1 via champ. None of this mess playing did 1 football and playing intermediate or junior champ.

Cavan's 3 representatives in ulster this year all played div 1 league....

[general_lee]

I don't like the Cavan system, Monaghan is the fairest. 1 team up via league, 1 via champ. None of this mess playing did 1 football and playing intermediate or junior champ.

Cavan's 3 representatives in ulster this year all played div 1 league....

Armagh do the same as Monaghan as do Tyrone. It's probably the fairest way to divide teams in terms of ability and affords intermediate and junior clubs an easier and more realistic route to reaching senior football. As results show however it doesn't do Armagh clubs much favour on the provincial stage.

[Dreadnought]

I don't like the Cavan system, Monaghan is the fairest. 1 team up via league, 1 via champ. None of this mess playing did 1 football and playing intermediate or junior champ.

Cavan's 3 representatives in ulster this year all played div 1 league....

And that's a huge exception rather than the rule. A one off. Honestly though, the obsession with League here is unbelievable when Championship results prior show true worth, Facts are, the teams were in the Championship they were in for their past performance in Championship.

[intheknowhow]

It's not fair though that a team Can play a league above their grade that they are in for championship.

If you are no good in the league tough luck, you get relegated for championship.

You are either a junior, intermediate or senior club... not senior club for the league but intermediate for the championship because you feel like it

[tiempo]

It's not fair though that a team Can play a league above their grade that they are in for championship.

If you are no good in the league tough luck, you get relegated for championship.

You are either a junior, intermediate or senior club... not senior club for the league but intermediate for the championship because you feel like it

Arva playing junior champ and D1 league, therefore league 2 grades above their champ positioning

They have cooked the books, like Kerry do, personally I'd be embarrassed turning in for junior champ knowing full well i was a senior player in a senior team, hollow victories all round