The Ulster Council has altered the size of Dr McKenna Cup panels from 27 to 30 for next month's edition of the pre-season competition. Effectively, managers can now use up to 40 players in the group stages. On top of an initial panel of 25 a further five players can be added for each game, provided the provincial council is notified at least five days prior to the game.
Queens University Belfast Squad:
F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O'Kane, G O'Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O'Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O'Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O'Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.
University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:
E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O' Brien, P Downey, C Cavanagh, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O'Hagan.
St Mary's Squad:
M O'Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O'Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O'Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O'Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, C McCarron, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham
7th Jan: Round 1
Section A
1. St. Mary's v 2. Armagh at Crossmaglen
3. Fermanagh v 4. Monaghan at Lisnaskea
Section B
1. Derry v 2. Cavan at Celtic Park
3. Queens University v 4. Tyrone at Omagh
Section C
1. Donegal v 2. UUJ at Ballyshannon
3. Down v 4. Antrim at Newcastle
14th Jan: Round 2
Section A
2. Armagh v 3. Fermanagh at Crossmaglen
4. Monaghan v 1. St. Mary's at Castleblayney
Section B
2. Cavan v 3. Queens University at Cavan
4. Tyrone v 1. Derry at Omagh
Section C
2. UUJ v 3. Down at Newcastle
4. Antrim v 1. Donegal at Casement Park
21st Jan: Round 3:
Section A
1. St. Mary's v 3. Fermanagh at Irvinestown
2. Armagh v 4. Monaghan at Castleblaney
Section B
1. Derry v 3. Queens University at Celtic Park
2. Cavan v 4. Tyrone at Cavan
Section C
1. Donegal v 3. Down at Ballybofey
2. UUJ v 4. Antrim at Casement Park
28th Jan: Semi Finals:
(1) Winner of Section C v Winner of Section A
(2) Winner of Section B v 4th Placed Team
18th February;
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Ulster chief issues McKenna Cup warning
Saturday, December 30
An Ulster Council chief has called on intercounty managers not to pressurise footballers into playing for their county over their college in next month's Dr McKenna Cup campaign.
The Council's Director of Coaching and Games Dr Eugene Young issued a statement to county secretaries in the run up to Christmas asking them to make sure any footballers selected by Queen's University Belfast, St Mary's and University of Ulster Jordanstown are allowed to play for their college.
Three years ago county representatives and managers met to discuss burnout and clashing training sessions from November to February and Young is concerned that what was agreed then will be endorsed next year.
"All involved agreed that the young players involved in Higher Education who were being asked to train with the counties were under too much pressure," he said.
"There was a 'gentleman's agreement' and formal regulations developed for the McKenna Cup.
"It was agreed that if the quality of the training received at higher education was good then the young players should be able to train with the Universities during this period."
Young stressed that "the regulations clearly state that all Universities have first call on the players.
"Can we ask counties 'in the best interests of the players' to please allow these young players to play with their institutions, if selected to do so, and not to put pressure on them to choose county over university.
"For the good of the competition, your help in making sure that these rules and regulations are adhered to would be appreciated and pressure from county management teams on players to play with their county over their university should not happen."
Cavan boss performs major surgery
Saturday, December 30
New Cavan manager Donal Keoghan has performed major surgery on his Senior football panel with just 17 of last year's squad set to feature in the upcoming campaign.
Of Martin McElkennon's 2006 squad eight high-profile footballers have either been dropped, opted out or retired - Pauric Reilly, Cathal Collins, Anthony Gaynor, James Reilly (Drung), Eddie O'Reilly (Mullahoran), Finbarr O'Reilly and Michael Brides.
Gaynor is travelling in Australia and will be away for at least three months, while James Reilly is taking a year out as he is unable to give the necessary commitment.
Peter Reilly is retired, and the other five have been dropped.
A further seven panellists have been let go by Keoghan - Michael Brennan, Dermot McGlade, Eamonn O'Reilly (Shannon Gaels), Enda King, Dermot Sheridan, Martin Lynch and Joey Jordan.
QuoteCavan boss performs major surgery
God be with the days when the "magic" water bottle was sufficient
C McGourty (Antrim?)
R Keenan (Fermanagh)
M Digney (Down)
D Coulter (Armagh?)
M McIver (Brian's cub is he Derry of Tyrone?)
st. marys
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Armagh and Silverbridge's ryan hamill.
Paul Keenan (Carrickcruppen & Armagh)
I think g o'neill is from dromintee in armagh
QuoteL Meenan, (Omagh CBS,Tyrone)
Come on TYP! What about the clubs?
Mulgrew makes few changes in Fermanagh
Monday, January 1
Fermanagh senior football manager Charlie Mulgrew has made very few changes to his panel ahead of the McKenna Cup.
All of those who played in last year's championship are back in the fold once again, with the exception of injured midfielder Liam McBarron.
Into the panel come Ciaran McElroy, Declan McKeever, Paul McCusker, Dara McQuaid, Donal McAvinue, Shane Lyons and Shane O'Brien at the expense of bit-part players Darren Murphy, Fergal Reilly, Adrian Little, Paul Martin, Declan Reilly and Paddy Lohan.
Ciarán O'Reilly and Ryan Keenan will play for their respective universities, Queen's and St Mary's, in the competition.
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Armagh depleted for McKenna Cup
Monday, January 1
Armagh senior football manager Joe Kernan has admitted that his panel is seriously depleted going into this month's McKenna Cup.
With his own club Crossmaglen Rangers still involved in the All-Ireland club championship, Kernan will be missing seven panelists (Aaron and Stephen Kernan, John and Tony McEntee, Francie Bellew, Paul Hearty and Oisin McConville) from the county and Ulster champions while Ronan Clarke and Brian Mallon are long-term absentees with cruciate ligament injuries.
Armagh will also be without six players, Charlie Vernon, Micheal O'Rourke, Paul Keenan, James Lavery, Stefan Forker and Finnian Moriarty, who will be representing third-level colleges in the competition. Also unavailbale is Paddy McKeever who is currently out of the country.
"Ideally, I like to go out and win every game, but we have to accept that it's going to be very tough given the situation we are in,'' Kernan told the Irish News.
The senior panel, or what remains of it, are currently training with the under-21 squad and a number of the youngsters may well be given a chance in the senior jersey.
"Training with the under-21s suits both of us at the minute," Kernan added.
"It allows Peter (McDonnell, under-21 manager) to judge his players against county footballers. It also bulks up our numbers at training.
"As things stood, I only had six forwards available for selection and that was before any injuries."
UUJ
Eoin Mc Nicholl Glenullin Derry
Rory Murray Desertmartin Derry
James Conlan Carrickmacross Monaghan
Finnian Moriarty Wolfe Tones Armagh
Philip Mooney Swatragh Derry
Paul Doherty Rasharkin Antrim
Darren Hughes Scotstown Monaghan
Peter Donnelly Coalisland Tyrone
Jonathan Bradley Glen Derry
Paddy Cunningham Lamh Dhearg Antrim
Mark Lynch Banagher Derry
Raymond Mulgrew Cookstown Tyrone
Paul Forker Maghery Armagh
Michael Herron Lamh Dhearg Antrim
Ciaran Conlon Silverbridge Armagh
Michael Mc Alister Clan na Bana Down
James Colgan An Riocht Down
John Boyle Warrenpoint Down
Brendan Boggs Owen Roes Tyrone
Damian McCaul Donaghmore Tyrone
Eamon McConville Rostrevor Down
Shea McAleer Harps Monaghan
Kevin Dyas Dromintee Armagh
Bernard O' Brien Latton Monaghan
Packie Downey Drumgath Down
Colm Cavanagh Moy Tyrone
Declan Lavery Magheralin Down
Collie Farrell Annaclone Down
Ronan Mc Rory Errigal Ciaran Tyrone
Shane O Hagan Clonduff Down
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Armagh will also be without six players, Charlie Vernon, Micheal O'Rourke, Paul Keenan, James Lavery, Stefan Forker and Finnian Moriarty, who will be representing third-level colleges in the competition
Forker and Lavery weren't on the senior panel? How will we be without them now? ???
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 01, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Armagh depleted for McKenna Cup
Monday, January 1
Armagh senior football manager Joe Kernan has admitted that his panel is seriously depleted going into this month's McKenna Cup.
Sorry Joe, the phone was off the hook there. Give me a call now. I've been keeping fit and my boots are clean.
I could be wrong Pint but I believe Lavery is on the senior panel?
Quote from: corn02 on January 01, 2007, 11:54:56 PM
I could be wrong Pint but I believe Lavery is on the senior panel?
He's not named in programme for ulster final anyway.
Michael McIver is Derry by the way.
Has anyone got a list of all the squads for the teams in the Mc Kenna cup or have they not been named?
D.Carlin(Killyclogher), C Colhoun(Pomeroy),C Donnelly(Clonoe),Niall Gormley(Trillick),D Harte(E Ciaran),K Hughes(Donaghmore),K Hughes(Killeeshil) P Marlow(Eskra),R Mellon(Moy)M Murphy(Galbally)O Mulligan(Cookstown)A Mc Carron(Fintona)C Mc Carron(Omagh)D Mc Caul (Donaghmore)P Mc Connell (Newtownstewart),C Mc Crory (Galbally)D Mc Dermott(E Ciaran)S Cavanagh(Moy)B Boggs (Owen Roes)M Mc Gee (Loughmacrory)C Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)E Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)T Mc Guigan (Ardboe)P McGurk(Cookstown)R Mc Menamin (Dromore)S Oneill (Clann na Gael) M Penrose (Aghyaran)P Quinn (E Ciaran)P Rouse (Brackaville)D Treanor(Dungannon)
Plenty of opportunities handed out to novices. Looking forward to seeing how Marlow has progressed as a senior.
I thought Mickey might have run the ruler over a couple of the Fianna lads. Ah well, with such a plethora of talent ye can't squeeze everybody in!
Tyrrone - McKenna Cupsters
Anyone know if the C McCarron from Omagh is a defender or a forward? There was a full back and corner forward for omagh who were both very impressive for omagh against us last season and I think it is one of them just not sure what one. Also thought the young Dromore full back (quite sure he is McCarron as well) would have got a run. Glad to see Tommy get another run out thought he got harshly enough done by last year after the McKenna cup. Dont think any of the fianna players are at that standard at the moment.
See he's called up some Uni lads, what's he playing at? Granted Tyrone are his first priority, but why invite the Uni's into the competition and then handicap already inferior teams?
Two of Sunday's McKenna Cup matches which were due to take place at Lisnaskea and Newcastle have been switched to alternative venues.
Fermanagh's opener against Monaghan will now take place at Irvinestown, still with a 2pm throw-in. Down's first match of the season against Antrim has also been moved from Newcastle to Downpatrick, and will also throw-in at 2pm.
As far as I know Cathal Mc Carron from Dromore is a full back and Cathal Mc Carron from Omagh is a forward.
TG4 have confirmed that the station will broadcast matches live from next month's Gaelic Life sponsored Dr. McKenna Cup competition in Ulster. The Irish language station will broadcast 5 live games beginning on Sunday 7 January with the clash of Derry and Cavan from Celtic Park in Derry. This will be the first time ever that the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup will be broadcast live on national television. This news also means that GAA followers all over the country will have access to live matches on TG4 every Sunday >from the beginning of January until early May with live coverage from the Dr. McKenna Cup, Allianz Football League, Allianz Hurling League, AIB All-Ireland Club Championships, Sigerson Cup, Fitzgibbon Cup, Cadburys Under-21 Football Championship, Suzuki National Ladies Football Leagues, Hogan Cup and Croke Cup.
Announcing the Dr. McKenna Cup coverage, TG4 Sports Editor, Rónán Ó Coisdealbha, said that the station was delighted to be developing its partnership with the Ulster Council and the competition sponsor to give this year's Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup a new television profile. TG4 is very proud of its special place in the hearts of GAA followers, he said "and we are very excited that we will be showing games in the month of January for the first time ever".
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup - Live on TG4
Sunday 7 January
1:45pm Coverage starts on 'GAA BEO' with build-up and analysis
2:00pm Derry v Cavan live from Celtic Park, Derry
Sunday 14 January
1:45pm Coverage starts on 'GAA BEO' with build-up and analysis
2:00pm Tyrone v Derry live from Healy Park, Omagh
Sunday 21 January
1:45pm Coverage starts on 'GAA BEO' with build-up and analysis
2:00pm Donegal v Down live from Páirc Mhic Cumhaill, Ballybofey
Sunday 28 January
1:45pm Coverage starts on 'GAA BEO' with build-up and analysis
2:00pm Semi-final live - match to be confirmed
Saturday 17 February
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Final - Live (Time to be confirmed)
The McCarron from Omagh is a forward. Wee bit surprised that McCarron from Dromore did not make this panel. Maybe he is part of some of the college teams. I see Aidan McCarron is back in the McKenna Cup panel. I thought he did well last year and then was not kept for the League panel. I heard that a big of bad blood developed between him and Harte over his dropping but then he was recalled for the McKenna Cup Final. After that he went to NY and was man of the match in their game against Roscommon in the championship. It will be interesting to see if he makes it this year. We could have done with him last with so few forwards in the panel.
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 03, 2007, 10:54:04 AM
Anyone know if the C McCarron from Omagh is a defender or a forward? There was a full back and corner forward for omagh who were both very impressive for omagh against us last season and I think it is one of them just not sure what one. Also thought the young Dromore full back (quite sure he is McCarron as well) would have got a run. Glad to see Tommy get another run out thought he got harshly enough done by last year after the McKenna cup. Dont think any of the fianna players are at that standard at the moment.
Cathal McCarron is a forward from Omagh. I think he was top scorer in the Championship two years ago and won the Teamtalk young achiever award in the same year. He was also part of the Tyrone AI Minor winners a few years ago and last year and was in the U21 squad. I remember him scoring a good goal for Tyrone Minors at Clones a few years ago.
Queens University Belfast Squad:
F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O'Kane, G O'Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O'Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O'Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O'Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.
University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:
E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O' Brien, P Downey, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O'Hagan.
St Mary's Squad:
M O'Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O'Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O'Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O'Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham
Tyrone Squad
D.Carlin(Killyclogher), C Colhoun(Pomeroy),C Donnelly(Clonoe),Niall Gormley(Trillick),D Harte(E Ciaran),K Hughes(Donaghmore),K Hughes(Killeeshil) P Marlow(Eskra),R Mellon(Moy)M Murphy(Galbally)O Mulligan(Cookstown)A Mc Carron(Fintona)C Mc Carron(Omagh)D Mc Caul (Donaghmore)P Mc Connell (Newtownstewart),C Mc Crory (Galbally)D Mc Dermott(E Ciaran)S Cavanagh(Moy)B Boggs (Owen Roes)M Mc Gee (Loughmacrory)C Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)E Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)T Mc Guigan (Ardboe)P McGurk(Cookstown)R Mc Menamin (Dromore)S Oneill (Clann na Gael) M Penrose (Aghyaran)P Quinn (E Ciaran)P Rouse (Brackaville)D Treanor(Dungannon)
Antrim provisional panel
A Gallagher, A McClean, C Lynch, C Close, C Brady, C McGoldrick, D Gault, D Martin, E O'Neill, G Galway, G Bell, H McKay, J Quinn, J Finucane, K Martin, K Franklin, L Higgins, M McClenaghan, M McCann, M Magill, M Rea, N Ward, O McAteer, P Logan, P Close, S McGreevy, S McVeigh, T McCann, T Close, T Scullion.
ARMAGH Squad
Ciaran McKinney (Pearse Og), Alan Hearty (Crossmaglen), B Donaghy (Clonmore), JP Donnelly (Harps), Paul Duffy (Pearse Og), Stephan Forker (Maghery), Philip Loughran (Cladaí), Tony McClelland (Granemore), G McCreesh (?), P McCreesh (?), Stephen McDonnell (Killeavey), Kieran McGeeney (Na Fianna), Paul McGrane (Ballyhegan), Ciaran McKeever (St Patrick's), Paddy McKeever (Ballyhegan), Enda McNulty (Ballyboden), Malachy Mackin (St Patrick's), Ciaran Toner (Granemore), Martin O'Rourke (Dromintee), Gareth Swift (Harps), Peader Toal (Harps), Martin Ferris (Carrickcruppen), Neil McSherry (Whitecross), Kevin O'Rourke (St Michael's).
Can't comprehend what Mickey is hoping to achieve by putting pressure onto youngsters, McCaul, Boggs and Colm Cavanagh. All 3 are in their uni squad, and now in their County panel, which gives them a difficult decision.
Mickey would be one of the biggest supporters of the competition but now could instigate something that could ultimately derail it!
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I think Harte is being a bit of an asshole about this and he could put the competition as it is into doubt.
He probably has the greatest pool of players to choose from, even with injuries, of any manager in the province or further afield, yet it's only him who sees fit to do this.
UUJ in real trouble now without Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul. Peter Donnelly broke his hand last week and Finnian Morriarty tore his hamstring this week. Moran and UUJ must be fuming with Harte.
Other managers who have left their players to the devices of the colleges will also not be too impressed.
Altogether now "Harte - nooooooooooo!"
On the news tonight that Kavanagh was definately playing with Tyrone in the Mc Kenna Cup. Said the other two were undecided. I'm sure this won't go down too well with his Poly teammates. Harte has put him in this position by naming him - what does he hope to achieve?
I'm 100% with Mickey on this one. His job is to compile a Sam Maguire winning squad. What Universities do is of no interest to him, especially now that's he's a Dr. himself! He's not calling players away from the Sigerson event itself. Thses are just warm-up games for the unis. The McKenna Cup is possibily the only time he'll get to see some of these players before the NFL starts.
And it's Cavanagh. Kavanagh's a Rebel.
The arrangement put in place was that the universities would have first call on the players. You mean to tell me he needs these three players more than their universities need them. He is making the lads choose which just isn't fair. Other managers could have done likewise and called players into their squads but resisted this. These lads have to live with the call they make and this will not be easy within a tight squad like the Poly. Harte was involved with St. Mary's for long enough to realise the importance of Sigerson football which THEY are preparing for. Bad move
Mickey Harte is manager of the Tyrone senior football team. His aim is to win the All-Ireland title. What Universities do for three Sundays in January is of no interest to him. If Cavanagh or anyone else decides he'd rather throw his hand in with the county on those Sundays and risk alienation from the Unis that's up to them. However, i'd doubt very much they'll be dropped for Sigerson duty (Queens & UUJ play their first game on Feb 14st)
The participation of the Universities have helped rejuvenate this previously ailing competition. The players should be made play for their first allegiance which in this case is their university. The All Ireland may not be won during these early months of the year but the Sigerson is.
If Mickey Harte made one error last year, it was playing close to his first team during the McKenna Cup. When injuries to these key players started to occur during the NFL, fringe players did not have the experience to count when the white heat set in during the summer. So yes, what happens in January/Feb has some part to play when it comes to knowing what players can be called upon when needed.
When Tyrone play Dublin in front of 50'000 plus on February 3rd, without Dooher, McGuigan et al, the Red Hands need to be ready - not throwing in uni players who haven't pulled on a Tyrone geansai this year. If Kernan, Crozier, Gormley don't see it that way, fair play to them.
QuoteMickey Harte is manager of the Tyrone senior football team. His aim is to win the All-Ireland title. What Universities do for three Sundays in January is of no interest to him. If Cavanagh or anyone else decides he'd rather throw his hand in with the county on those Sundays and risk alienation from the Unis that's up to them. However, i'd doubt very much they'll be dropped for Sigerson duty (Queens & UUJ play their first game on Feb 14st)
O'Neill what will Mickey learn from beating a understrength university side by 15-20 points. The aim at this stage of the year is to give his players competitive football. If every County manager shared his philosophy, the competition would fall apart.
Tyrone play Derry and Cavan in the group stage as well.
As for this crap about the Unis breathing fresh air into the comp, lets look at some of last year's scorelines:
Derry 2-14 Queens 0-5
Tyrone 4-9 St Marys 1-9
Down 6-10 St Mary's 0-6
Fermanagh 2-12 UUJ 0-10
Maybe they'll meet an off-form Cavan or Antrim and get a result but rose-tinted glasses are often used when assessing the unis in the McKenna.
Quote from: ONeill on January 03, 2007, 11:57:17 PM
Tyrone play Derry and Cavan in the group stage as well.
As for this crap about the Unis breathing fresh air into the comp, lets look at some of last year's scorelines:
Derry 2-14 Queens 0-5
Tyrone 4-9 St Marys 1-9
Down 6-10 St Mary's 0-6
Fermanagh 2-12 UUJ 0-10
Maybe they'll meet an off-form Cavan or Antrim and get a result but rose-tinted glasses are often used when assessing the unis in the McKenna.
And taking some of the Uni players is going to improve the standard of the competition? He's being a w**ker pure and simple. Maybe the other managers will get together and offer him another McKenna Cup if he's that badly stuck for one.
Irish News
Gaelic Games
By Paddy Heaney
Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy has hinted that Tyrone could face disciplinary action if they refuse to comply with the rules of the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup.
Under the rules of the competition, university teams are given first preference on players who are also eligible for county squads.
But Tyrone boss Mickey Harte is currently on a collision course with the provincial council. He has named Colm Cavanagh, Damian McCaul and Brendan Boggs in his McKenna Cup squad, even though they are wanted by UUJ as well.
Murphy has indicated that Tyrone could face some type of censure if these three players aren't released to their university.
"I don't want to speculate on what type of action could be taken. But competition regulations are there for people to comply with.
"The rules regarding students are part of the game regulations, so if someone doesn't comply with them, we will certainly have to have a look at it.
"Competitions rules are enforceable in just the same way as the rules of the official guide book,'' warned Murphy.
Tyrone are due to begin the defence of their McKenna Cup title on Sunday against Queen's in Omagh. Jordanstown will have their first outing on the same day against Donegal in Ballyshannon. UUJ boss Adrian McGuckin has all but resigned himself to the fact that he will be without Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul.
"We were told to name 30 players for a panel before Christmas. We were led to believe that the county teams couldn't pick those players.
"When I went up to Jordanstown today, I learned that three of them had been picked for Tyrone. There is not a lot we can do about that.
"We can't control who the players want to play for. I can only assume that they will decide to play for Tyrone, but maybe that won't be the case,'' said McGuckin.
Harte would want to cop himself on. what is being achieved by weakening what are already the weakest teams in the competition? Harte has set himself up in the media as this "holier than thou" gaa prophet and then pulls this type of crap.
The McKenna cup has been reinvigorated by the inclusion of the universities so where's the sense in marginailsing and weakening them?
QuoteTyrone play Derry and Cavan in the group stage as well.
As for this crap about the Unis breathing fresh air into the comp, lets look at some of last year's scorelines:
Derry 2-14 Queens 0-5
Tyrone 4-9 St Marys 1-9
Down 6-10 St Mary's 0-6
Fermanagh 2-12 UUJ 0-10
Maybe they'll meet an off-form Cavan or Antrim and get a result but rose-tinted glasses are often used when assessing the unis in the McKenna.
O'Neill, how you explain the interest generated in the Mc Kenna Cup in the last few years. The competition trundled on for years until the universities came on board to give it a lift. Maybe you have another reason why the profile of the competition has been raised recently - I would like to hear it.
Also good to see that Harte may not get away with this stunt, according to IN.
O'Neill conveniently selects scorelines which suit his drivel. for example, I remember the poly drawing with armagh in cross last year.
The competition suits everyone. it's an ideal platform for counties to get a look at players early season in a competitive environment and its perfectly timed for the unis to build towards sigerson.
Don't agree with what Harte is doing re:Uni players, it's unsportsmanly!!!
Does anyone know the Dun na nGall panel for the McKenna???
from: http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70594
McKenna Cup kick starts new season
03 January 2007
Monaghan get their 2007 season off the ground with an away game against Fermanagh in this year's Dr McKenna Cup on Sunday 7th January in Lisnaskea at 2.00pm.
Monaghan reached the final of the Dr McKenna cup last year following victories over Derry, Armagh and St Mary's College only to lose out to Tyrone in the final in Casement Park. The McKenna Cup is enjoying a whole new lease of life and this year has attracted a sponsor for the first time with the new GAA newspaper Gaelic Life coming on board. The competition too enjoyed unprecedented attendances last year and there is no reason to believe that this year will be any different.
Part of the new-found status of the competition can also be reflected in the fact that a number of matches will be televised live by TG4. Monaghan team manager Seamus McEneaney has named a panel of 25 players for this opening game on Sunday with a number of new faces being drafted in following a series of trial matches and training sessions.
Among the new faces are goalkeeper, Padraig McBennett from Castleblaney, Carrickmacross centre back Gary McEneaney, Latton's Stephen Fitzpatrick, Inniskeen's Paul Meegan, Aghabog's Shane Mulligan, Rockcorry's Mark Daly and Inniskeen's Matthew McKenna while Mark Duffy who won a Dublin SFC medal with UCD last year and Jason Hughes are recalled to county duty. Bernard O'Brien is named on the Monaghan panel but he is also listed on the University of Ulster, Jordanstown panel and if representing the college will not be available for selection as the colleges have first call on the students. Monaghan actually have four players listed with that particular college, James Conlon, Carrickmacross, Darren Hughes Scotstown, Shea McAleer, Monaghan Harps and Bernard O'Brien, Latton. The Monaghan panel is: Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Mark Duffy, Gary McEneaney, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Dick Clerkin, Dermot McArdle, Paul Meegan, Mark Daly, Eoin Duffy, Rory Woods, Stephen Gollogly, Shane Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Nicholas Corrigan, Vincent Corey, Ciaran Hughes, Brendan McKenna, Matthew McKenna, Bernard O'Brien, Damien Freeman, Tomas Freeman. Damien Freeman will again captain the team in 2007.
Fermanagh for their part are relying on the tried and trusted with only minimal changes to the senior football squad that operated in 2006 although manager, Charlie Mulgrew has brought in a number of new faces and will also have to plan with out the services of Liam McBarron who is out with a long-term injury. He will also have to reckon without Ciaran O'Reilly and Ryan Keenan who will play with their respective universities in this competition.
Some unbelievably naive comments here. What on earth had UUJ got to do with 20'000 turning up to watch Tyrone/Armagh or 13'000 to watch Tyrone/Donegal.
The reason for the reinvigoration of the McKenna is two-fold. Firstly, it coincided with the restructuring of the NFL. Whereas teams had been playing from November in the league in the past, making it difficult to fit the competition in, now the first chance supporters have to see their teams in action is the McKenna in January. Don't forget there was no McKenna at the start of the century. Secondly, the emergence of Ulster as a powerful force (2002) in terms of national silverware has increased attendances immensely, naturally. The University games have seen the poorest attendances.
does not matter what way you look at it Harte is breaking the rules and should be punished
No sign of Donegal Squad yet Gaoth Dobhair maybe it will appear in tomorrows GL
Queens University Belfast Squad:
F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O'Kane, G O'Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O'Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O'Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O'Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.
University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:
E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O' Brien, P Downey, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O'Hagan.
St Mary's Squad:
M O'Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O'Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O'Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O'Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham
Tyrone Squad
D.Carlin(Killyclogher), C Colhoun(Pomeroy),C Donnelly(Clonoe),Niall Gormley(Trillick),D Harte(E Ciaran),K Hughes(Donaghmore),K Hughes(Killeeshil) P Marlow(Eskra),R Mellon(Moy)M Murphy(Galbally)O Mulligan(Cookstown)A Mc Carron(Fintona)C Mc Carron(Omagh)D Mc Caul (Donaghmore)P Mc Connell (Newtownstewart),C Mc Crory (Galbally)D Mc Dermott(E Ciaran)S Cavanagh(Moy)B Boggs (Owen Roes)M Mc Gee (Loughmacrory)C Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)E Mc Ginley(E Ciaran)T Mc Guigan (Ardboe)P McGurk(Cookstown)R Mc Menamin (Dromore)S Oneill (Clann na Gael) M Penrose (Aghyaran)P Quinn (E Ciaran)P Rouse (Brackaville)D Treanor(Dungannon)
Antrim provisional panel
A Gallagher, A McClean, C Lynch, C Close, C Brady, C McGoldrick, D Gault, D Martin, E O'Neill, G Galway, G Bell, H McKay, J Quinn, J Finucane, K Martin, K Franklin, L Higgins, M McClenaghan, M McCann, M Magill, M Rea, N Ward, O McAteer, P Logan, P Close, S McGreevy, S McVeigh, T McCann, T Close, T Scullion.
ARMAGH Squad
Ciaran McKinney (Pearse Og), Alan Hearty (Crossmaglen), B Donaghy (Clonmore), JP Donnelly (Harps), Paul Duffy (Pearse Og), Stephan Forker (Maghery), Philip Loughran (Cladaí), Tony McClelland (Granemore), G McCreesh (?), P McCreesh (?), Stephen McDonnell (Killeavey), Kieran McGeeney (Na Fianna), Paul McGrane (Ballyhegan), Ciaran McKeever (St Patrick's), Paddy McKeever (Ballyhegan), Enda McNulty (Ballyboden), Malachy Mackin (St Patrick's), Ciaran Toner (Granemore), Martin O'Rourke (Dromintee), Gareth Swift (Harps), Peader Toal (Harps), Martin Ferris (Carrickcruppen), Neil McSherry (Whitecross), Kevin O'Rourke (St Michael's).
Monaghan Squad
Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Mark Duffy, Gary McEneaney, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Dick Clerkin, Dermot McArdle, Paul Meegan, Mark Daly, Eoin Duffy, Rory Woods, Stephen Gollogly, Shane Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Nicholas Corrigan, Vincent Corey, Ciaran Hughes, Brendan McKenna, Matthew McKenna, Bernard O'Brien, Damien Freeman, Tomas Freeman.
Down Squad
Bernard Connell Drumgath, Aidan Burns Castlewellan, Adrian Carville Bryansford, Martin Cole Rostrevor, Darren Cunningham Saval, Barry Doran Longstone, Kevin Gracey Downpatrick, Conor Gribben Bryansford, Eoin Henry Warrenpoint, Stephen Kearney Mitchels, Brendan Loughran Shamrocks, Jack Lynch Drumgath, Padraig Matthews Clonduff, Ruairi McArdle Castlewellan, Martin McClean Kilcoo, Michael McVeigh Castlewellan, Colin McCrickard Liatroim, Brendan McGourty Ballycran, Fintan McGreevy Castlewellan, Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks, Colm Murtagh Glenn, Brendan Rodgers Mayobridge, Brian Sweeney St Michaels, Peter Telford Downpatrick, Stephen Toner Bryansford, Kevin Duffin Castlewellan, Declan Rooney Burren, Peter Turley Downpatrick, Peter Turley Saval, Gareth Johnson Ballygalget
Fermanagh Squad
C Breen, N Bogue, B Owens, S Goan, P Sherry, H Brady, D Kelly, J Sherry, M McGrath, M Little, T Brewster, E Maguire, C Bradley, S Doherty, C McElroy, N Tinney, R Johnston, T McElroy, S McDermott, D McKeever, M Murphy, J McGurn, B Og Maguire, P Johnston, E Ferris, P McCusker, D McQuaid, D McAvinue, S Lyons, S O'Brien.
Quote from: ONeill on January 04, 2007, 11:42:32 AM
Some unbelievably naive comments here. What on earth had UUJ got to do with 20'000 turning up to watch Tyrone/Armagh or 13'000 to watch Tyrone/Donegal.
The reason for the reinvigoration of the McKenna is two-fold. Firstly, it coincided with the restructuring of the NFL. Whereas teams had been playing from November in the league in the past, making it difficult to fit the competition in, now the first chance supporters have to see their teams in action is the McKenna in January. Don't forget there was no McKenna at the start of the century. Secondly, the emergence of Ulster as a powerful force (2002) in terms of national silverware has increased attendances immensely, naturally. The University games have seen the poorest attendances.
I also feel Mickey Harte deserves credit for the renewed interest in this competition. Following All-Ireland success he played a very strong team in the following year's competition and made no bones about the fact that he wanted to win it. The attendance at that years final in Ballybofey v Donegal was exceptional (as was Tyrone's performance that day).
Have to say i'm not for what Mickey is doing either. If there's a rule that players should put perference in their uni's rather than the counties then it shouldn't be bent or twisted for anyone. If all managers were doing the same it would leave the competition dead for the Uni's.
And sure Mickey can still get a good look at the three players if he wants. And what better way of assessing whether they are good enough for county standard than to play against all the county teams.
I've great respect for Mickey and his views most of the time, but i think he's wrong here.
If Harte doesn't like the Rules or won't abide by them he shouldn't have entered the competition.Another line would be that his County Board should instruct him how to behave.
ARMAGH Squad
Ciaran McKinney (Pearse Og), Alan Hearty (Crossmaglen), B Donaghy (Clonmore), JP Donnelly (Harps), Paul Duffy (Pearse Og), Stephan Forker (Maghery), Philip Loughran (Cladaí), Tony McClelland (Granemore), G McCreesh (?), P McCreesh (?), Stephen McDonnell (Killeavey), Kieran McGeeney (Na Fianna), Paul McGrane (Ballyhegan), Ciaran McKeever (St Patrick's), Paddy McKeever (Ballyhegan), Enda McNulty (Ballyboden), Malachy Mackin (St Patrick's), Ciaran Toner (Granemore), Martin O'Rourke (Dromintee), Gareth Swift (Harps), Peader Toal (Harps), Martin Ferris (Carrickcruppen), Neil McSherry (Whitecross), Kevin O'Rourke (St Michael's).
Who's gonna start the annual campaign for Barry Shannon's inclusion?????
I think the two McCreesh's are both from Cullyhanna
Monaghan Squad
Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Mark Duffy, Gary McEneaney, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Dick Clerkin, Dermot McArdle, Paul Meegan, Mark Daly, Eoin Duffy, Rory Woods, Stephen Gollogly, Shane Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Nicholas Corrigan, Vincent Corey, Ciaran Hughes, Brendan McKenna, Matthew McKenna, Bernard O'Brien, Damien Freeman, Tomas Freeman.
Good to see the likes of Meegan, Gary Banty, Mulligan given a chance
Butsy McBennet for the county!!!! - Good kickout tho..
I hope Mark Duffy has improved ......
Who is Matthew McKenna?
I'd be hoping one of the Latton boys, bob or Eoin Duffy shines this year.
Incidentally, boband Jemmy Conlon are named on the J'town panel, Dick Clerkin is abroad for 6 months. I presume Hanners is playing with DCU
Still no McQuaid, Ronaghan, H McElroy, J McElroy.... can we afford to do without quality players like these?
gerard mc creesh is from mullaghbane
paudie mc creesh is from cullyhanna
Hartes attitude is very intresting, it seems that not too many ppl are gonna tell him what he can and cant do..!!
Fermanagh Squad (Revised from NKAB's list)
Ciaran McElroy, Declan McKeever, Paul McCusker, Dara McQuaid, Donal McAvinue, Shane Lyons, Shane O'Brien Chris Breen, Niall Tinney, Niall Bogue, Hugh Brady, Shane Goan, Paul Johnston, Raymond Johnston, Damien Kelly, Shane McDermott, Barry Owens, Peter Sherry, Martin McGrath, Mark Murphy; Colm Bradley, Tom Brewster, Enda Ferris, Mark Little, Jonathan McGurn, Eamon Maguire, James Sherry, Tommy McElroy,
O'Neill you seem to completely ignore the benefits that the competition bring to the uni squads. It was not that long ago that the likes of Phillip Jordan & the late Cormac McAnnallen prospered after winning a sigerson with QUB, and we all know the heights they reached. There are other examples I'm sure. Also Harte is placing psychological pressure on these 3 guys. Should they stay loyal to friends that they've played and trained with since October, or will they be risking their inter-county future if they do? I'm sure he could get a 'scout' to watch these UUJ games or get a video. Considering the McKenna Cup was resurrected only 5/6(?) years ago, were players not blooded in the NFL to see if they were championship material before this anyway? IMO the NFL would be a better test of a players worth than the McKenna Cup, albeit the quality has improved recently. Now what a lovely way to begin life on the board ;D
O'Neill I don't really think most people are annoyed at Harte for wanting to select his own best team for this competition - it's a big year for Tyrone, he's keen to get started and has learned from last year as you say although that said, there's hardly a massive rebuilding job required for the red hands either. It's more his flagrant breaking ranks and going against the gentleman's agreement between the Ulster council and its counties, that no manager would make first call on University players, that's annoying people.
If the rest are complying and are happy to do so, Mickey should wind his neck in, stick to the agreement and stay in line with everyone else on this.
Taken from below. Headquarters have moved Antrim into O'Byrne Cup ???
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Saffrons start McGreevy for O'Byrne Cup opener
Thursday, January 4
Antrim have named their starting XV to play Down in the Gaelic Life-sponsored Dr McKenna Cup at Downpatrick on Sunday.
New Saffron County manager Jody Gormley has selected highly rated goalkeeper Sean McGreevy to start between the posts for the Section C clash, which throws in at 2pm.
The one-time All-Star nominee is the only man on the comeback trail though; O'Donovan Rossa forward Paul Close will also be making his competitive return in the Saffron jersey.
Intercounty hurler Gavin Bell has been given the nod for the footballers at centre back.
Gormley has opted to field a relatively experienced side with the majority of the team having already tasted championship football.
SF v Down: Sean McGreevy; Damien Gault, Colin Brady, L Higgins; Sean McVeigh, Gavin Bell, Niall Ward; Joe Quinn, Darrell Martin; Aiden Gallagher, Michael McCann, Eoin O'Neill; Paul Close, Ciaran Close, Michael Rea.
agree with slapdash not only will the 3 lads be letting their mates down they could possibly jeoperdise their chance of a sigerson place.the competition will be very fierce for a starting position and this could work against them.harte needs to catch himself on.the lads no that with the strength of the tyrone panel(i would say close to fifty people could do a job) they may not get another chance or someone may shine in their absence
A real tough decision for the three Tyrone lads
Play for Tyrone and have the chance to win an Ulster or All Ireland or play for the uni and won the sigerson
??? ??? ???
Wonder what they will do?
They'll play for the uni because.... it will make them better players :D :D :D :D
Why dont they stop playing for the uni and prevent all that burnout. The only pull the uni has is its money offer to the students, thats it.
Id say uuj wont be too impressed with colms decision to play for the county...Given the was sean was looked after more than well by uuj.
Having known Boggs and Cavanagh with them coming through the Vocationals, they've been put in a real shitty position in all of this and is hardly fair on the lads involved. What does Mickey Harte intend to achieve in doing this?
To be honest i'm very surprised that mickey's doing this. And your right Bummer it's a bit tough on the players involved! Surely they would prob get more minutes on the pitch playing for the uni's than in the Tyrone panel were there will be even more rotation!!
Mickey has chosen 3 Tyrone players out of 16 who are playing for the Unis this weekend. Just 3 players he needs to see in action acclimatising to his system. Not a big ask, esp as they wouldn't be recognised as the top 3 Tyrone players at uni. 3 positions in dire need perhaps, before Dublin 3rd feb.
Why not bring the PSNI into the tournament? They coul arrest and detain 15 county players (a la Mickey Harte) and have them play for the Queen.
Mickey is pulling no punches here, so Tyrone men bear with him... has he let us down before, this panel is flexible so if you dont do the job you are out. I believe he is giving these particular guys a better chance of making the county squads rather than farming them out on loan to the universities. He wants to see them, so that they can be included or not. The Mc kenna cup has been revitalised by Mickey Harte, hes entitled to take it seriously. For years the rest didnt- its great to see them catching up. My prediction this year is that Tyrone will not win the competition but it could be the most important yet for bedding in new players. Put your pension on a Tyrone Dublin AIF this year.
Derry manager Paddy Crozier has named three debutants in his side for Sunday's McKenna Cup meeting with Cavan.
Kieran McIver, Aidan McAlynn and Raymond Wilkinson are given their first competitive starts and are joined in the side by established stars such as Barry Gillis, Paddy Bradley, Kevin McGuckin and Patsy Bradley.
Wilkinson is included at wing forward after impressing in Ballinderry's recent Ulster club championship campaign, while another Ballinderry man, Conleth Gilligan, makes a return to inter-county action after a year-long absence. County hurler and former All-Ireland minor winner Ruairi Convery is named at left half forward.
Derry (SF v Cavan): B Gillis; M McGoldrick, K McGuckin, J Keenan; P Cartin, K McIver, A McAlynn; J Diver, Patsy Bradley; R Wilkinson, C Gilligan, R Convery; J Kelly, Paddy Bradley, A McCartney.
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The Donegal team to play U.U.J in the Dr.McKenna Cup on Sunday 7th January in Ballyshannon has been named. Throw in @ 2.00pm
Ciaran Sharkey Dungloe
Peter Witherow St Michaels
Paddy Campbell Naomh Conaill
Frank McGlynn Glenfin
Eamon McGee Gaoth Dobhair
Barry Monaghan Four Masters
Barry Dunnion Four Masters
Joe Friel Clochaneely
Christy Toye St Michaels
Ryan Bradley Buncrana
Brian Roper Aodh Ruadh
Johnny McLoone Naomh Conaill
Kevin McMenamin Termon
Benny Byrne Four Masters
Adrian Sweeney Dungloe
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Interesting selection by Brian McIver for Sunday's clash. A bit surprised to see Johnny McLoone to be honest, but am glad to see the like of Wappa, Witherow and Benny Byrne get their chance to shine. Also I think it's good to see big Joe Friel from Cloughaneely get a chance, he was immense for Cloughaneely this year.
As for the absentees: Paul Durkin, Karl Lacey and Michael Doherty are involved with Sligo IT; Brendan Boyle, Colm McFadden and Stephen McDermott are out injured while Neil Gallagher joins the casualty list - he has to get his tonsils out next week; and Neil McGee is involved with Gaoth Dobhair U21s
The likes of Brendan Devenney and Paddy McConnigley will also be unleashed on the McKenna Cup in the coming weeks.
Will be interested to see how the new faces perform and also how the shining lights from last year get on.
whats happening with kevin cassidy this year mrc?
Anyone with any more starting lineups?
Quote from: Uladh on January 05, 2007, 11:17:33 AM
whats happening with kevin cassidy this year mrc?
Apologies, Cass should have been listed there with Devenney and McConnigley as a man who's making a return. Cass has been back training since before XMas from what I hear and hopefully can recapture his form of old. One of the best footballers around when on his day,
Also to get back is Conall Dunne who is out with a broken leg while the Thompsons, Tommy Donoghue, Mickey Hegarty, Stephen McHugh and Michael Boyle from last year still have to get a run.
We've lost James Gallagher, Martin Caulfield, Damien Diver and Ray Sweeney from last year to retirement. I'd say Stephen Cass would be on board as well but for his ban!
QuotePut your pension on a Tyrone Dublin AIF this year.
So if they are drawn in the QFs or SFs your pension is up the Swanee? ???
Cavan wil beat Derry Sunday I think, looks like Derry have a weak team out... Any thoughts?
Cavan v Derry Sunday - any thoughts?
I think Cavan will win this, SDerry seem to have a weak team out...
ODDs from Ladbrokes
McKenna Cup Group A
Armagh V St. Mary's 1/2 6/1 15/8
Fermanagh V Monaghan 4/5 5/1 5/4
McKenna Cup Group B
Derry V Cavan 4/7 6/1 7/4
Tyrone V Queen's 1/3 8/1 5/2
McKenna Cup Group C
Donegal V UUJ 1/2 6/1 15/8
Down V Antrim 1/3 8/1 5/2
£10 on all home teams would yield £113.14. Bet you someone draws to ruin the bet.
Will be at Tyrone v QUB match tomorrow and will try and provide some kind of report for tomorrow night. Anybody do the same for the other matches or does anyone else want to do the TY V QUB report?
Antrim +3 handicap looks a good bet seeing Ross has sent most of the first 15ers away on an extended holiday! Gonna have to wait and see how the newbies get on!
Will be in Omagh meself later today.....................might just throw a tuppenceworth in
Tyrone beat Queens - any word on whom played well? Any of the new boys in the Tyrone forward line play well?
Down and Antrim drew in wet,windy and mucky Pairc Ruisseal. Neither team impressed with Antrim probably the better side.Quinn, Close and Brady showed their experience to steady a young team although Quinn was lucky to stay on the field after hitting Turley right in front of the referee. Down paraded a real team of rookies and there were some encouraging signs but don't book the Burlington yet.Stephen Kearney suffered a serious leg injury and was removed to hospital. A day for the fire !
anyone at the armagh game who can give an opinion on the new breed??? :-\
Poor conditions at Healy Park couldn't be blamed for what was at times the good, bad and ugly side of football. From the get go Queens no 12 (Charlie Vernon sticking to the big Joe tactic book) near decapitiated Hub and was fortunate not to see the line.
There was some good football played on both sides and despite a blistering first few minutes of the second half Queens kept some comnposure to make a stroing rally and reduce the deficit to 2 at one stage.
Tyrone keeper Curran was magnificent throughout shot stopping and his kickouts, bar 1 or 2, were excellent at finding men free. Could be find of the year as he wasnlt even in the original panel
Queens, despite playing well when they had the ball, seemed intent all game on fouling Tyrone as much as possible, without a terrible amount of sublty it must be said. how the ref missed some of the 'tackles' was beyond a joke. (He might have been from Derry right enough)
The sending off of O'Neill was a disgrace. First off Queens started a melee with about 10 players pushing and shoving - handbag stuff at best. Queens number 10, possibly aiming for a transfer to Chelsea, dropped to the ground after being pushed away by O'Neill and lay writhing clutching at his face. The ref was at the OTHER SIDE of the melee and had no clear view, neither did the linemans have much input and really he should have known better than to assume man on gound holding head = red card. Presumably this will rule SON out of the Dublin game. The incident happened right in front of where I was sitting and to be brutally honest O'Neill pushed him at best, there was no way he could even get his arm back for a swing to punch the lad.
Funny that the same ref saw fit not to take action against the Queens no3 who ran 40 yards to shoulder Cavanagh in the back while play was stopped.
In terms of performance - Joe McMahon needs to be the FB this year (where is he???), McGinley is not up to it. Penrose is poor, missing from between the posts 20 yards out in the first half is evidence enough of this.
Few new players stood out and some looked well out of thier depth (no 5 in particular continued to give the ball away all day long)
Work to be done. Was disappointed Daisy and Marlow didn't appear today.
i think its unfair to think of Vernon as that type of player! he may well have put in a bad tackle but i'd imagine it was a case of bad timing rather than dirt (big joes book??) anyone who knows charlie, will know that he is a true sportsman/gentleman and this is not his style of play.....
Paul Marlowe is still injured is he not and wont be featuring in the McKenna Cup for Tyrone?
QuoteJoe McMahon needs to be the FB this year (where is he???),
Getting sent off for St Mary's
Tyroneman it was actually Kevin McGourty who was the QUB number 12 who put in the head high tackle early on. Vernon was number 8. His only contribution to the game was to clap as ONeill was shown the red card. If the Armagh crowd think this lad will be a possible addition to their team then he did little to prove that today against a makeshift Tyrone team. The O'Neill red card was deserved. He had been fouled a few times as the play became scrappy. I think it was a late tackle by the QUB number 10 as O'Neill was surrounded that rilled O'Neill but he did strike out, allbeit a short sharp knock to the players chest. Vernons clapping doing nothing to add to his contribution to the afternoon. As for the game itself 2-14 was good scoring considering the conditions, which were truely awful.
Curran made some decent first half saves but was unconvincing under the high ball. Kickouts were well placed and he could offer a bit more variety other that the 'big hoof down the middle' offered by McConnell.
The full back line was Paul McGurk, McGinley and Carlin. Dermot Carlin had an excellent first half. McGurk and McGinley were so so with McGurk being subbed in the 2nd half for Mickey McGee. Half back line of Ricey, Hub and Martin Penrose was somewhat surprising, with Ricey being the liveliest of them all. Hub and Penrose both looking out of place and in Hubs case slightly unfit.
MF of Sean Cavanagh and Kelvin Hughes. Cavanagh had an excellent match and looks very fit so early in the season. Hughes looked a bit slow in possession but the game will help him.
The half forward line was the weakest line on the field with Chris Colhoun of Pomeroy, Colm Donnelly of Clonoe and Declan Treanor of Dungannon. All three are very inexperienced at this level but are excellent club players and while they did some good work they did lack the fast thinking required at this level. However they may come good yet as they are young.
FF line of Niall Gormley, ONeill and Mugsy. Gormely will be happy with his first game scoring 1-4 I think. Mugsy was taken of at half time and replaced by Aidan McCarron who again looked lively. O'Neill was quiet until taken out to the half forward line but then he got too involved and will unfortunately miss the Dublin game.
It was difficult to judge players given the conditions but curran and niall gormley did themselves no harm. I'm sure we'll see the likes of mcdermott, tommy mcguigan, and paul quinn all get some game time next week
QuoteHis only contribution to the game was to clap as ONeill was shown the red card
Imagine. Shockin behaviour altogether. Be even worse if he done it in a big game. Say like an All Ireland final?
Tyroneman
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Poor conditions at Healy Park couldn't be blamed for what was at times the good, bad and ugly side of football. From the get go Queens no 12 (Charlie Vernon sticking to the big Joe tactic book) near decapitiated Hub and was fortunate not to see the line.
Phpearse
QuoteTyroneman it was actually Kevin McGourty who was the QUB number 12 who put in the head high tackle early on. Vernon was number 8.
:D
Imagine, a player who wasn't coached by Joe Kernan putting in a high tackle? I refuse to believe it!
Any word on the 'Poly 3' - Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul. I take it they took no part, getting splinters on their arses from the bench, when they could have been playing a full match for UUJ (who could have been doing with them). Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
O'Neill did not punch that fella, he shoved him at best - I was directly in front of the incident about 6/7 rows from edge and could see it clearly.
Stand corrected with Vernon - reason I thought he was no12 was cos a lad in the crowd screamed 'great work charlie vernon' as no12 fielded a high ball on his own in the 2nd half.
Who was the brave no3 for Queens who ran 30yrds to hit Cavanagh from behind?
QuoteWho was the brave no3 for Queens who ran 30yrds to hit Cavanagh from behind?
Daniel McCartan
Surprised he got either ball or man - he normally runs round like a headless chicken.
QuoteAny word on the 'Poly 3' - Boggs, Cavanagh and McCaul. I take it they took no part, getting splinters on their arses from the bench, when they could have been playing a full match for UUJ (who could have been doing with them). Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Boggs didna play anyhow...
i'd say its not the first time you've heard this, but Tyroneman you talk a lot of shite.
O'Neill was well marked all day by mccartan although the referee. could've afforded both sets of forwards handier frees. The sending off was well merited. the ref had no choice and o'neill knew it was coming. o'neill was fouled and got his free, pushing and shoving followed and 2 or 3 from each side got involved in handbags. as things were dying down o'neill floored gavin donaghy with the sweetest uppercut you ever saw. to say it was a dive or he was struck in the chest is just plain wrong. donaghy had to be helped from the field of play not to return and his eye was completely closed by the time he got into the stand.
now o'neill had plenty of grounds for complaint in terms of having to earn frees twice or three times, but then so had every forward on the pitch. for an intercounty player of his experience to strike out with the ref less that 10 yards away is stupidity personified, but then o'neill is no stranger to the red mist.
queens made a decent game of it with 6 or 7 starters including their 3 main scorers missing and their missed goal chances before half time could have made for a very different second half.
Welcome to the board Malone Aristrocrat - your report on some of the incidents of the game wouldn't be through a pair of 'Queen's' glasses?
undoubtedly, but o'neill struck donaghy a fierce blow and whatever colour your glasses, wishing it weren't so won't change the facts.
Quoteas things were dying down o'neill floored gavin donaghy with the sweetest uppercut you ever saw.
Is Donaghey from Claudy? If he is him and Stevie would be virtual neighbours....
O'Neill deserved to go. How many times is he going to react to these type of incidents and then get himself sent off. We had a at least 10 players out there today playing their 1st game for Tyrone and needed help from our more experienced players like O'Neill. When it happened i just thought to yself what an asshole you can be at times Stevie.
Quoteundoubtedly, but o'neill struck donaghy a fierce blow and whatever colour your glasses, wishing it weren't so won't change the facts.
I couldn't give a f**k who hit who in a Queens/Tyrone game. If you were on here long enough you would realise that. I was commenting on the slant of your report which was decidedly from a Queens perspective.
Stephen O'Neill opened the scoring with a free. (0-1 to 0-0). Mugsy added a second point from wide on the left shortly after McGourty tackled Hub around the neck. A foul on S Cavanagh saw him convert the resulting free for a 0-3 to 0-0 lead. Paul Courtney and Kevin Hughes picked up yellows, Queens after several missed shooting chances eventually opened the scoring with a free from James McGovern following a foul on M O'Rourke. Then came Curran's spectacular double save from blood sub Joe Ireland who was on for Charlie Vernon. Curran parried Ireland's first shot back at him but he got up again to save the second effort. (Impressive). James McGovern made the score 0-2 to 0-3 with a good score. Niall Gormley replied with a good point for Tyrone. A foul on SON saw Mugsy make it 5-2 from the resultant free. Colm Donnelly who previously missed a chance made it 0-6 to 0-2. The half finished with another magnificent save from Curran who diverted a rasping shot from Niblock out for a 45. (Half-time 0-6 to 0-2 for Tyrone).
Aiden McCarron replaced Mugsy at the start of the second half. Tyrone got off to a quick start in the second half with 4 scores from Aiden McCarron, (Niall Gormley, Christy Colhoun after some great quick passing, and Sean Cavanagh. 0-10 to 0-2. Qub then enjoyed a good attacking spell with four points from Gavin Donaghy twice and Kevin Niblock and a long range effort from Aidan Carr. Niblock made it five and then six in a row for QUB to bring thee margin to 2 pts (0-10 to 0-8). Tyrone responded with a goal from Niall Gormley to effectively put an end to the competition (1-10 to 0-8). Mcgee replaced McGurk. Kelvin Hughes then got his name on the score sheet with a fisted point and Christy Colhoun extended Tyrone's lead to 1-12 to 0-8. The game was becoming more niggly and after an earlier skirmish there followed another one following a foul on O'Neill. Stevie unfortunately made a striking movement at Gavin Donaghy (who performed the customary sack of potatoes) and to me the ref apologetically sent him off. It wasn't a shocking blow by O'Neill but he was probably done for the intent. References to the referee's Derry pedigree were heard above the resulting boos as O'Neill walked. (He's out for next week's Derry game and also it seems the clash with Dublin in Croke Park). QUB's Paul Courtney was sent off minutes later for two yellows as the game drew to a conclusion. Tyrone scored two more points from A McCarron and a S Cavanagh free while Daniel McCartan replied for QUB. Tyrone finished the scoring with a goal from Colm Donnelly. Final Score: 2-14 to 0-9.
The UUJ three were all present with the Tyrone squad but were not called upon. The injured members (Dooher, Gormley and McGuigan) were also present in addition to Gerard Cavlan.
Curran
Paul McGurk C McGinley Dermot Carlin
Ricey HUB Hughes Martin Penrose
S Cavanagh, Kelvin Hughes
Declan Treanor Colm Donnelly Christy Colhoun
Niall Gormley O'Neill Mugsy
Feargal Murphy
Hugh Gallagher Daniel McCartan Ryan Dillon
Mark Rooney Gerard O'Kane Justin Crozier
Paul Courtney Charlie Vernon
Gavin Donaghy Aidan Carr Kevin McGourty
Michael Ward Kevin Niblock James McGovern
Quotei'd say its not the first time you've heard this, but Tyroneman you talk a lot of shite.
Interesting opening from a new member. Good to see the standard of manners at Queens remains as high as ever and a pleasure to meet you.
I take it from your latter posts you were on the sideline with the injured player? If so I apologise for my post.
Otherwise I stand by my viewpoint. From where I sat there was no uppercut, just a shove (and get yr facts straight - I never mentioned a push in the chest).
I also believe that unless Mike Tyson (vintage era) had been coaching SON there was some serious overacting on Donaghy's part.
I do agree that SON should know better than to get involved in ANY activity like that and learn from his past mistakes. Red Mist in the McKenna cup doesn't bode well when the knackers in the Championship get started.
Still, I'm sure your Malone / Queens insight will provide those of us who have been on the board slightly longer with some valuable lessons.
Any truth that Mc Gourty got sent off after game for verbal abuse and is looking at a possible 8 week ban?
QuoteIt will be interesting to see how the Ulster Council deals with this situation.
I would be more interested in O'Neills take on the situation, after all
QuoteMickey has chosen 3 Tyrone players out of 16 who are playing for the Unis this weekend. Just 3 players he needs to see in action acclimatising to his system. O' Neill
Well?
McKenna Cup is a 5 game series (hopefully), including training sessions. To play students against students would not be a clever idea for obvious reasons.
Unable to make the game. Regarding newcomers, who enhanced their reputation?
QuoteRegarding newcomers, who enhanced their reputation?
Poor conditions made this game difficult to assess players. Having said this Curran with his saves and varied kick outs and Niall Gormley with his scoring did themselves no harm.
Just as a matter of interest how many times is that now O'Neil has been straight red carded in his inter county career?
Dr McKenna Cup results
Section A
St Mary's 0-4 0-10 Armagh
Fermanagh 0-5 1-10 Monaghan
Section B
Derry 0-12 0-17 Cavan
Queen's University 0-9 2-14 Tyrone
Section C
Donegal 1-6 1-4 UUJ
Down 0-9 0-9 Antrim
I'd be very worried about Tyrone's discipline. Last year they were easily drawn into that type of shenanigans, forgetting that they're the better footballing team. Laois turned them over by riling them - and it worked wonders for Derry. Remember their one defeat in 2005? Remember the NFL defeat last year. I was hoping Mickey would've sorted that out.
What were the admission prices for the games today? I remember last year in the Armagh v Jordanstown game i was refused student prices
£7 for the Down/Antrim game to stand on a wet grassy bank.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 07, 2007, 08:16:36 PM
I take it from your latter posts you were on the sideline with the injured player? If so I apologise for my post.
Otherwise I stand by my viewpoint. From where I sat there was no uppercut, just a shove (and get yr facts straight - I never mentioned a push in the chest).
I also believe that unless Mike Tyson (vintage era) had been coaching SON there was some serious overacting on Donaghy's part.
Still, I'm sure your Malone / Queens insight will provide those of us who have been on the board slightly longer with some valuable lessons.
It's ok Tyroneman, you can come on and aplogise after utv show it tomorrow night.
Interesting that you think having posted on this board for some predetermined length of time enhances your posting pedigree... there is no evdence of this in anything you've posted to date.
But you're probably right... donaghy probably had a razor blade and a bag of cosmetic blood under his jersey.
It'd be helpful if one of the credible tyrone posters could put tyroneman correct on the sending off incident before everyone sees it on tv.
by the way never kicked a ball... neither m o'rourke nor c o'reilly played with queens today
Terrible conditions at Healy Park today and I have to say that I felt a bit sorry for the newcomers who were trying to impress on the Tyrone side. A couple of them - namely Jonathan Curran in goals and Niall Gormley at corner forward - did very well while the rest will want to do a bit better in their next outing. Tyrone's team line-out contained a few surprises, the most notable of them the half back pairing of Hub Hughes in the centre and Martin Penrose on the wing. I would expect Mickey Harte to make wholesale changes for the Derry game to give the other newcomers, who were on the bench today, their chance to impress.
I suppose we shouldn't be too critical of the game today given the conditions and the fact that many of the players would have been a little ring rusty. I have to say that Stevie O'Neill was foolish to react the way he did in the second half and cannot have any major complaints about being sent-off. Stevie was certainly provoked and received no protection from the Derry referee all through but that doesn't really excuse what he did. Stevie appeared to strike the QUB player and, whatever about the remaining games in the McKenna Cup, he will be a huge miss for the opening NFL game against Dublin. I have to agree with some previous posters that Armagh's big prospect Charlie Vernon was no big shake today. He was in direct opposition to Sean Cavanagh (future brother-in-law?) and certainly came out second best. Some of James McCartan's players began to act 'the hard men' late in the game and, surprise surprise, the Derry referee did let them get away with a good bit for most of the time.
Player Ratings
Jonathan Curran...A dream debut. Three point blank saves and decent kick-outs (8.5)
Paul McGurk...Struggled today. Was replaced in the second half by the more reliable Mickey McGee (5)
Cormac McGinley...Sound enough performance, although he did lack pace at times (7)
Dermot Carlin...Outstanding in the first half. Quieter in the second (8)
Ryan McMenamin...Showed excellent leadership qualities. Always in the action (8)
Kevin Hughes...An unusual role for Hub and he didn't always look comfortable (6)
Martin Penrose...Another mixed bag. Good carrying the ball out of defence but poor marking at times (7)
Kelvin Hughes...A few nice touches but not involved enough in the game overall (6)
Sean Cavanagh...Easily the best midfield player on view. Showed a good appetite (8.5)
Declan Treanor...Started off well and set up the second goal but was anonymous for long periods (6)
Colm Donnelly...Worked really hard but his shooting let him down on occasions. Worth another look (7)
Chris Colhoun...Tried hard and made some good runs. Also made some errors and poor in front of goal (6)
Niall Gormley...Very impressive debut. Always a threat and took some terrific scores (8.5)
Stephen O'Neill...Well marked but should have been awarded more frees. His red card marred the win (6.5)
Owen Mulligan...Out of sorts today and was replaced at half-time by a much livelier Aidan McCarron (5)
Aidan McCarron...Scored with his first touch and did OK when he came on (7)
Michael McGee...Not on long enough to be rated.
Quoteby the way never kicked a ball... neither m o'rourke nor c o'reilly played with queens today
Cheers malone. As the game went on i found it difficult to read the numbers on the shirts given the weather conditions. Was it Niblock who did the scoring and Was it Crozier who Curran saved twice from?
Who's Niall Gormley who did the scoring for Tyrone? What club is he from or what age group is he?
Haven't heard of him before. There's a Niall ??? from Donaghmore - it's not him is it?
Niall Gormley is aTrillick man Tommy. The Tyrone squad with their clubs is posted earlier on this thread - page 3.
I'm not too sure what the Jersey numbers were but Niblock was full forward and did a fair bit of scoring. the man who missed the goal chances was joe ireland who was on as a blood sub at the time for vernon who took a very heavy blow to the head 15 minutes in
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 07, 2007, 09:33:00 PM
I'm not too sure what the Jersey numbers were but Niblock was full forward and did a fair bit of scoring. the man who missed the goal chances was joe ireland who was on as a blood sub at the time for vernon who took a very heavy blow to the head 15 minutes in
Yes that was it Ireland was a blood sub wearing Number 18 which was on the programme as Ciaran O'Reilly. I notice the BBC made the same mistake so at least I'm in exaulted company. I was reading Niblocks jersey as 15 in the mud instead of 14 which is what he was wearing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6239325.stm
QuoteInteresting that you think having posted on this board for some predetermined length of time enhances your posting pedigree
Never claimed that - more a comment on yr quite ignorant start-off postings.
Quotethere is no evdence of this in anything you've posted to date
havn't been on the board in earnest for a while - but glad to see yr a fan though, keeping track of my contributions ...keep reading
Down v Antrim was £7
Quotekeeping track of my contributions ...keep reading
its more akin to brail
Never mind lads, Donegal Tyrone final, sure we'll get sweet revenge for the embarrassment that was the McAnalan final
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 07, 2007, 10:31:30 PM
Never mind lads, Donegal Tyrone final, sure we'll get sweet revenge for the embarrassment that was the McAnalan final
Correct me if I'm wrong Gaoth Dobhair I thought you got revenge a few months later in Clones? ::)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2007, 12:56:13 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 07, 2007, 10:31:30 PM
Never mind lads, Donegal Tyrone final, sure we'll get sweet revenge for the embarrassment that was the McAnalan final
Correct me if I'm wrong Gaoth Dobhair I thought you got revenge a few months later in Clones? ::)
The day Colm McFadden announced himself to the wider GAA public. Let's hope he finally builds on that this coming season.
A very wet day,a heavy and in places waterlogged pitch saw the opening game in Donegal's Mc Kenna Cup campaign of 2007.For the largest crowd to watch University opposition since the new look competition started 3 years ago - this New Years football was a damp squib.A moderate bunch of U-14's would have served up better fottball when compared to this.
We won by two points and eventually struggled to shake off a student side that was fit,organised and who played the better football in the opening quarter.In fact they were 1-1 up after 20 minutes before Donegal woke half comatose to level before half time.
There were 7 debutants (2 defenders,1 midfielder and 4 forwards) with the only experienced line of half backs,Monaghan,Dunnion and Eamon Mc Gee.Sweeney and Toye although named did,nt start and along with Devenney were'nt even on the bench.They were replaced by Rory K and Denis Boyle.
Yet again the endemic failing that is all Donegal football over the last 10 years appeared on cue i.e. the shapeless formation that develops when the team is put under pressure with the half forwards funnelling back into midfield resulting in no outlet for us when we do regain possession.Mc Iver has a year of stewardship and should have this major problem sorted by now.
A vast improvement will be needed to come out of Casement with both points.
Positives Brian Roper,Wappa Mc Menamin and Michael Murphy
Ciaran Sharkey 6.0 Batted out high ball to FF who fisted to net in first 15 minutes.Not physically imposing but pulled off a double save late in first half to somewhat redeem his earlier error.
Peter Witherow 6.0 Started shakily but cleared up a lot of ball as game wore on.Still fairly light for a corner back.
Paddy Campbell 6.5 Slow at outset giving time and space to the FF but lorded the full back line in second half.
Frank Mc Glynn 6.5 Better on the wing but can still do a job in the corner however unlikely this season to snatch Karlo's or Neil Mc Gee's positions.
Eamon Mc Gee 6.5 Always can appear a little nonvhalant as if half distracted but is deceptively strong and afew more games possibly at centre back to showcase his passing ability would be interesting
Barry Monaghan 6.0 solid but cannot take a quick free to save his life and too often gets caught faffing around when a 'driver her down the field' option is required.
Barry Dunnion 6.5 Brave as the proverbial and should improve from his great displays last season.Missed a couple of point chance in both halves.
Joe Friel 6.5 Fetched a couple of good ones and is a skilled footballer but needs to bulk up to play with the big boys in the league.Should be played throughout the remaining Mc Kenna Cup games to see if he can be a real alternnative to Boyler.
Rory Kavanagh 6.0 Caught soloing thru midfield on too many occasions when the quick long ball into the FF line was asked for.
Ryan Bradley 6.0 Did,nt do himself any favours and after a promising debut season in 2005 only featured once last year.Needs to get back to that aggressive straight line running he showed against Mayo in the league.However needs to be given every chance.
Brian Roper 8.0 MOTM and kicked final point to largest cheer of the day.The oldest player on the pitch and by my reckoning must be close to Matt Gallaghers all time appearance record of 125.Played with his customary spirit and displayed a sharpness and turn of speed that turned back the clock for the Rock of Corker.Sliced thru the heart of the UUJ defence laying off unselfishly for the goal.
Johnny Mc Loone 6.0 Kicked too many balls weakly into the keepers hands but fired home the goal well.
Kevin Mc Menamin 7.5 Small,quick and skill redolent of the wee man and showed constanmtly for ball thruout the game.Kicked 3 points and could possibly cause a corner back trouble on a harder sod.Promising and confident debut.
Benny Byrne 6.0 Desperately looking for a FF and resembles Paddy Mc Nulty in style.Needs to improve dramitically to retain a panel place for the league.
Denis Boyle 6.0 Again one that let the game slip by and needs to be given another chance.
Subs: Kevin Cassidy 6.5 Fielded well but was confused as to role as game descended into a schoolyard kickaround in the closing minutes.
Michael Murphy 7.0 Potential there to be a colossal footballer for Donegal but caution needs to be exercised in that he is still a minor and he is used sparingly in the Senior set up for now.Did not look phased and kicked a fine 45.
Neil Mc Gee and Michael Mc Elhinney not on long enough to rate
Referee Martin Higgins was as farcical as ever and did'nt have the wit to allow for the conditions.His interpretation of the pick up off the ground was infuriating.
I agree with most of what has been said already except must give credit to the Gatemen at Omagh. Was on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles. After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back. It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch. We often can be very critical. On to the game. I genuinely wouldnt lose too much sleep over the defence with Gormley Harte and Jordan all to come back and more talent on the bench it will be Tyrones strongest unit this year. I honestly thought bar Mulligan, most Tyrone players impressed if at times in fits and starts. I thought Kelvin debuted well - was a major link man on a day unfit for clean catching, in the second half set up 1 - 2, scored his trademark point and covered end to end all game bar a quiet last 15 in the first half, at least 3 times was behind the defence but the ball wasnt passed in to him, as for Colqhoun, Donnelly and in particular Gormley, i was thrilled with these guys. I like Mc carron the sub, Cavanagh was sublime, Mc Menamin strong, aome of his passing poor, I enjoyed hubs performance and looks keener already than he was last year. Scoreline flatterd Tyrone in the end, but theres a lot more positives than negatives in this game. Mugsy we dont need to see until August and O Neill'sl loss is pprobably enough to cost us the 2 points V the Dubs. Finally the best Anthem singer in Ireland is from Omagh..
redhandfan
QuoteWas on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles. After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back. It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch
Anybody lend me a pair of crutches for next week?
Quote from: thejohnharanexperi on January 08, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
There were 7 debutants (2 defenders,1 midfielder and 4 forwards)
8 debutants yesterday, six of which were in the starting lineup - Goalkeeper Ciaran Sharkey, corner back Peter Witherow, half-forward Johnny McLoone and the entire full-forward line of Wappa, Benny Byrne and Denis Boyle. Substitutes McElhinney and Murphy were also making their first appearances at senior level bringing the total to eight.
Was impressed with Wappa yesterday and Brian Roper was immense! Wee Ropes went through a mountain of work and led what was an inexperienced attack by example. Thought Ciaran Sharkey recovered well after his early mishap while Cassidy steadied the ship when he came on.
Frank McGlynn was grand in the left corner, while young Witherow was okay on the otherside. However, Neil McGee and Karl Lacey will certainly not be quaking in their boots.
Conditions were dreadful in Ballyshannon yesterday and the referee was a disaster.
I see from this morning's Donegal News that McIver wants the Antrim game on Saturday night.
QuoteWas on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles. After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back. It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch.
Call me cynical but I don't think this was anything to do with being a nice touch. It is more to do with insurance as lets say the guy on crutches slips and falls - if he has paid in he can claim, if he hasn't paid in apparently he can't claim. I might be wrong on this one but I have heard this said before.
Agh Cloc Mor ye cynical auld fecker - ;) Ill take the less cynical viewpoint - how could they have proved that I didnt pay in anyway if i was a claimant?
As for the Girl who sings in Omagh, I would love to hear her sing On All Ireland final day, She would lift the roof of Croke park. As for tyrone Im happy that when the forward line is sorted out we will be a force to be reckoned with again. I am very excited about this year.
RHF, only saying it as I believe it. I way be wrong and feel free to correct me if I am. Not big on insurance claims or getting into matches for free, for that matter.
Quote from: Cloc Mor on January 08, 2007, 06:26:32 PM
QuoteWas on crutches and paid £7 in at the turnstyles. After I Had passed through the wee man noticed I was on critches and came out of the back of the turnstyles and gave me the £7 back. It was unexpected but must admit It was a nice touch.
Call me cynical but I don't think this was anything to do with being a nice touch. It is more to do with insurance as lets say the guy on crutches slips and falls - if he has paid in he can claim, if he hasn't paid in apparently he can't claim. I might be wrong on this one but I have heard this said before.
I might be wrong but if you are on the premises you are owed a "duty of care" regardless if you paid or not. Children don't pay in but obviously are owed a similar duty of care. I'm think it appears like a benevolent gesture redhandfan. Maybe following all the McGuigan controversy the Ulster Council have reviewed their admissions policy - but then why would they? REPEAT:
Could anyone lend me a pair of crutches for Sunday?
Cavan shotstopper makes comeback
Tuesday, January 9
James Reilly will make his return to the Cavan Senior football panel when the Breffni Blues hold a training session on Tuesday night.
It had been reported that Reilly, a former All-Star nominee between the sticks, had decided to take a year away from the intercounty fold in 2007.
However, those reports have proved unfounded with the 24-year-old set to make his comeback in Saturday evening's floodlit Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B clash with Queens University Belfast at Kingspan Breffni Park (throw-in 6.30pm).
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Quote from: Redhandfan on January 07, 2007, 09:12:06 PM
Stevie was certainly provoked and received no protection from the Derry referee all through but that doesn't really excuse what he did.
Some of James McCartan's players began to act 'the hard men' late in the game and, surprise surprise, the Derry referee did let them get away with a good bit for most of the time.
Given the paranoia dripping from that post and that you fancy yourself as a well known quiz buff, I will give you the opportunity to redeem yourself by posing two simple questions.
1. The referee in question has played for three clubs, name them. (Hint ask Slim Shady about the first one)
2. Name the 'Derry' club that the referee is currently affliated to and that club's somewhat unique geographical location.
who was the Ref?
Chicken McErlane. Played against him a few times myself on the right side of the Bann.
wired to the moon!! :D ;D
haven't had the pleasure of seeing him in action as a ref but Chicken was a 'character' while playing....for want of a better word!
Gallagher switch sealed
Rory Gallagher
10 January 2007
Cavan's football cause has received a timely fillip with the news that former Fermanagh ace Rory Gallagher's transfer to the Breffni County has been completed.
Gallagher's switch was rubber stamped yesterday (Tuesday) which makes him eligible to play against Queens University Belfast in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Kingspan/Breffni Park on Saturday evening (6.30pm) next.
The 28 year old has been playing his club football with St. Brigid's in Dublin but it is likely that he will seek to transfer to a club in his adopted Cavan.
Confirming the transfer, Cavan boss Donal Keoghan welcomed the move.
"Rory Gallagher is officially a Cavan player from today (Tuesday)," said Keoghan.
"He's available for selection. He'll be an asset to us."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70861
Crozier not happy with McKenna Cup rule09 January 2007
Derry football boss Paddy Crozier says the rule that allows universities have first call on county players has left one of his goalkeepers in a state of "limbo".
Glenullin clubman Eoin McNicholl - a student at UUJ - travelled with the Derry squad to Celtic Park to face Cavan last Sunday but ended up not getting a game with either his college or county because McNicholl had been named on the Jordanstown panel he was precluded from playing with the Oak Leafers.
"We were under the impression that he was involved with us, but when we named him in our panel the Ulster Council told us that he had already been named in the Jordanstown panel so we couldn't use him," claimed Derry boss Crozier.
"It's now left that the fella isn't fit to play football in the McKenna Cup. We wanted to see him but he can't be involved.
"He's not playing for Jordanstown and he's not playing for Derry so he's in limbo."
It's not just Mickey who's struggling with this?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70846
If Gallagher lives in Cavan, why the hell is he not playing for his native county, the border of which is around 15 minutes drive from Cavan Town? Its one thing playing for another county if you live way down the country, but how can you turn out for your next-door neighbour from the same province? ???
Must have been some row!
Gallagher is a total tosser and any other county is welcome to the p***k. He is hugely talented and no doubt will put in one or two brilliant individual performances that will make people talk, but in the long-term i'm convinced Cavan football will suffer as a result of this.
Fermanagh football undoubtedly suffered as a result of him and his ego
supposedly Gallagher is working in Shercock in East Cavan....would be a fair journey down to Fermanagh to train...but nothing compared to what you hear of other players based in Dublin do many times during the week....
Ah well hes more than welcome...i hope he will prove to be a big asset.
Just wondering if you'd revised your opinion on the o'neill sending off?
never kickt a ball:
I don't think anyone is "struggling" with any part of the mckenna cup except the three poly students who have been emotionally blackmailed to sit in the stand for tyrone instead of playing football with their tech.
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 11, 2007, 10:27:58 AM
never kickt a ball:
I don't think anyone is "struggling" with any part of the mckenna cup except the three poly students who have been emotionally blackmailed to sit in the stand for tyrone instead of playing football with their tech.
Don't forget Aristo there is also a St Mary's student on the Tyrone Panel. With regards to this situation I remember when the Colleges first entered two/three years ago and Tyrone played Donegal in the final Mickey Harte was able to call on Sean Cavanagh and maybe a few other players (I can't remember their names) to play for Tyrone after they had played in earlier rounds for their Colleges. I assume this is still available to the Counties if they progress in the competition and the Colleges don't?
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 07, 2007, 09:12:06 PM
'Stevie was certainly provoked and received no protection from the Derry referee all through but that doesn't really excuse what he did.
Some of James McCartan's players began to act 'the hard men' late in the game and, surprise surprise, the Derry referee did let them get away with a good bit for most of the time.'
Quote from: Saffron Sam
'Given the paranoia dripping from that post and that you fancy yourself as a well known quiz buff, I will give you the opportunity to redeem yourself by posing two simple questions.
1. The referee in question has played for three clubs, name them. (Hint ask Slim Shady about the first one)
2. Name the 'Derry' club that the referee is currently affliated to and that club's somewhat unique geographical location. '
Due to the fact that Chicken has played with Slim Shady I presume he is from Antrim and not actually Derry. I know he went to school in Maghera and is the current PRO for Ballinderry but something in the back of my mind tells me he is definitely a Lough Shore man of the Antrim variety.
What feckin age do you think i am?! i didnt play with Chicken McErlane, he did play for Cargin back in the day though.
Down bosses make three changes to panel
Thursday, January 11
Down bosses Ross Carr and DJ Kane have made three changes to their Senior football panel ahead of Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash with UUJ in Burren.
Under the Ulster competition's new regulations managers are allowed name a 25 man panel, plus five more names that can be changed for each of the three section games.
Mourne County hurlers Brendan McGourty of Ballycran and Ballygalget's Gareth 'Magic' Johnson have both retained their places for the Section C tie with University of Ulster Jordanstown.
St Michael's Neal Sweeny, Joe Doran of Loughisland and Saval's Daniel Hughes have been drafted in for Sunday's game with Castlewellan's Kevin Duffin, Saval midfielder Peter Turley and his namesake of the Downpatrick club are the players to make way.
Down drew 0-9 apiece with Antrim last weekend in their McKenna Cup opener and will be looking for an improved performance against UUJ (throw-in 2pm).
DOWN PANEL - Bernard Connell (Drumgath), Aidan Burns (Castlewellan), Adrian Carville (Bryansford), Martin Cole (Rostrevor), Darren Cunningham (Saval), Barry Doran (Longstone), Kevin Gracey (Downpatrick), Conor Gribben (Bryansford), Eoin Henry (Warrenpoint), Stephen Kearney (Mitchels), Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks), Jack Lynch (Drumgath), Padraig Matthews (Clonduff), Ruairi McArdle (Castlewellan), Martin McClean (Kilcoo), Michael McVeigh (Castlewellan), Colin McCrickard (Liatroim), Brendan McGourty (Ballycran), Fintan McGreevy (Castlewellan), Kevin McGuigan (Shamrocks), Colm Murtagh (Glenn), Brendan Rodgers (Mayobridge), Brian Sweeney (St Michaels), Peter Telford (Downpatrick), Stephen Toner (Bryansford), Neal Sweeny (St Michaels), Joe Doran (Loughisland), Declan Rooney (Burren), Daniel Hughes (Saval), Gareth Johnson (Ballygalget).
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See in today's Irish news supporters were complaining about the shortage of programmes at McKenna Cup games. £7 to get in, a drenching at some games and no programme. In addition it was thought given all the new players on the panel that the players clubs should also be mentioned.
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I'm not too sure what the Jersey numbers were but Niblock was full forward and did a fair bit of scoring. the man who missed the goal chances was joe ireland who was on as a blood sub at the time for vernon who took a very heavy blow to the head 15 minutes in
Yes that was it Ireland was a blood sub wearing Number 18 which was on the programme as Ciaran O'Reilly. I notice the BBC made the same mistake so at least I'm in exaulted company.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6239325.stm
Well Aristo it's now Thursday and I haven't once read a report that mentions Jonathan Curran's save from Joe Ireland. Every report in every paper and website refers to (Fermanagh star) Ciaran O'Reilly taking the shot. The acid test will be tomorrow in Gaelic life. Will it mention Joe Ireland or Ciaran O'Reilly as taking the double shots. If they say it's Ciaran O'Rielly then maybe they don't read this Discussion Board or worse maybe they don't believe us. ??? Also if anyone's interested K Kelly has a detailed report of the match on the following link:
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=277
Anyone see the Harte interview on BBC this evening? Thomas Kane gave hime an easy ride - didn't ask him the obvious question - you know there's a rule which states that universities have first call on the players, so why do you choose to ignore the rule? Seems like it was all planned to project the Harte view and not challenge him in any way.
Cassidy back in Donegal line-up
Kevin Cassidy is back in the Donegal starting line-up for Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash against Antrim.
Cassidy came on as a sub against UUJ last weekend but he will be making his first start since opting out of last year's championship squad. He refused to return to the squad after being dropped for disciplinary reasons earlier in the year. Christy Toye returns to a much-changed Donegal side which also sees Michael Boyle getting the goalkeeping jersey. Youngster Kevin McMenamin starts in the full-forward line after impressing in last weekend's win over Jordanstown. Cassidy has been selected at midfield alongside Joe Friel. Other changes see Colm McCarron replacing Frank McGlynn at left full-back while Kilcar's Noel Hegarty takes over from Barry Monaghan in the half-back line.
Donegal Team:
M Boyle, P Witherow, P Campbell, C McCarron, N Hegarty, E McGee, B Dunnion, J Friel, K Cassidy, C Toye, R Bradley, M Murphy, K McMenamin, B Byrne, M McElhinney
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Totally agree RNRH,
Mickey Harte flexes his muscles.... At worst it's three games, at best it's 5! What about the 3 students he had sittin on the bench? What about the fact the McKenna cup was virtually unheard of a few years back and teams still managed to build and win AIs? Mickey Harte seems to think he has an authority on GAA in Ulster. He just get of his high horse and let the lads play for their respective colleges as that's a big accolade for any young fella. I was at UUJ myself at the competition there for places was fierce,so gettin your spot on the University team was a good accolade.
I normally have a healthy respect for harte's views on all things gaa. he normally thinks things through pretty well and offers useful insights. but on this occasion he's being an ass. the mckenna cup is a vibrant early season competition. it alows counties to get a good look at squad players in a competitive environment and allows colleges to prepare in ernest for the more presssing sigerson cup. however, for the competition to remain competitive, the unis must be full strength or the games will become a farce. i had given harte the benefit of the doubt that these were 3 players he absolutely had to get a look at until i heard he left them sitting in the stand. that above anything else tells me he's trying to show who's boss and reflects poorly on the man.
the ulster council should come down hard on tyrone for this. the tyrone county board deserve a severe dressing down for sitting on their hands and alowing their manager to treat the tournament with such disrespect. if all county managers were to adopt this policy the unis would withdraw and the tournament will go back to what it was.
Did McIver get Sundays match changed to Saturday evening???? ???
1. John Finucane
2. Damien Gault
3. Colin Brady
4. Lawrence Higgins
5. Sean McVeigh
6. Gavin Bell
7. Niall Ward
8. Joe Quinn
9. Darrel Martin
10. Aodhan Gallagher
11. Michael McCann
12. Chris Lynch
13. Ciaran Close (Capt.)
14. Kevin Brady
15. Michael Rea
Gaoth - match is still on Sunday as there wasnt enough time to get approval for official use of floodlighting - they are planning their first floodlit game v Meath in the NFL.
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Cassidy back in Donegal line-up
Kevin Cassidy is back in the Donegal starting line-up for Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash against Antrim.
Cassidy came on as a sub against UUJ last weekend but he will be making his first start since opting out of last year's championship squad. He refused to return to the squad after being dropped for disciplinary reasons earlier in the year. Christy Toye returns to a much-changed Donegal side which also sees Michael Boyle getting the goalkeeping jersey. Youngster Kevin McMenamin starts in the full-forward line after impressing in last weekend's win over Jordanstown. Cassidy has been selected at midfield alongside Joe Friel. Other changes see Colm McCarron replacing Frank McGlynn at left full-back while Kilcar's Noel Hegarty takes over from Barry Monaghan in the half-back line.
Donegal Team:
M Boyle, P Witherow, P Campbell, C McCarron, N Hegarty, E McGee, B Dunnion, J Friel, K Cassidy, C Toye, R Bradley, M Murphy, K McMenamin, B Byrne, M McElhinney
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6254883.stm
Looks like McIver's thinking about using Cassidy alongside Neil Gallagher later in the year. We can't say he's not giving the young lads a chance, that's for sure! It'll be interesting to see the panel he uses for the league.
Down name team to face UUJ
Friday, January 12
Down have named their team to face UUJ in Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash in Burren (throw-in 2pm).
The Mourne County drew 0-9 apiece with Antrim last weekend in their McKenna Cup opener and will be looking for an improved performance against the college side.
Down dual star Brendan McGourty, of Ballycran, has not managed to retain his place for the Section C tie with University of Ulster Jordanstown, despite putting in a decent performance against the Saffron County last time out.
SF v UUJ: B Connell; A Burns, A Carville, M Cole; D Cunningham, B Doran, K Gracey; C Gribben, E Henry; S Kearney, B Loughran, J Lynch; P Matthews, R McArdle, M McClean.
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Saffrons opt for experienced starting XV
Friday, January 12
New Antrim manager Jody Gormley has made three changes to his starting XV ahead of Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash with Donegal at Casement Park.
Former All-Star nominee Sean McGreevy drops to the bench with John Finucane taking up residence between the sticks.
Gormley has opted to leave his defence and midfield, which started the 0-9 apiece draw with Down last weekend, unchanged.
Chris Lynch has been selected at left wing forward with Eoin O'Neill the man to make way, while Kevin Brady, in at full forward, will lead the attack at the expense of O'Donovan Rossa's Paul Close.
The only other change is a positional one with skipper Ciaran Close relocated from number 14 to right wing forward.
Intercounty hurler Gavin Bell has been given the nod to continue for the Saffron County footballers at centre back.
Gormley has again opted to field a relatively experienced side with the majority of the team having already tasted championship football.
Antrim Team: J Finucane; D Gault, C Brady, L Higgins; S McVeigh, G Bell, N Ward; J Quinn, D Martin; A Gallagher, M McCann, C Lynch; C Close (capt), K Brady, M Rea.
Donegal Team: M Boyle, P Witherow, P Campbell, C McCarron, N Hegarty, E McGee, B Dunnion, J Friel, K Cassidy, C Toye, R Bradley, M Murphy, K McMenamin, B Byrne, M McElhinney
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What's the odds on: Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan and UUJ? All to win?
Cavan beat QUB tonight in Breffni by two points. 1-13 to 1-11
QuoteSF v UUJ: B Connell; A Burns, A Carville, M Cole; D Cunningham, B Doran, K Gracey; C Gribben, E Henry; S Kearney, B Loughran, J Lynch; P Matthews, R McArdle, M McClean.
Don't hold much hope for this side with so many guys played out of position - experimental it surely is. There is no way possible the team will line out like this. Is this team for real?
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Cavan beat QUB tonight in Breffni by two points. 1-13 to 1-11
I expected Cavan to win this game much more comfortably. QUB must have improved a hell of a lot from last week's drubbing at the hands of Tyrone. Or, perhaps, Cavan were given too much credit for their opening round victory over Derry. This evening's conditions could not have helped either team's cause.
That Down starting 15 cant be accurate. For a start Kearney and McArdle are injured. It looks like the names are going in alphabetical order aswell. Definitely not the starting 15.
If I were Ross Carr tomorrow id be putting a team out with a lineup something like this:
1. Bernard Connell (Drumgath)
2. Martin Cole (Rostrevor)
3. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
4. Paudie Matthews (Clonduff)
5. Barry Doran (Longstone)
6. Kevin Gracey (Downpatrick)
7. Brendan Rogers (Mayobridge)
8. Adrian Carville (Bryansford)
9. Jackie Lynch (Drumgath)
10. Brendan McGourty (Ballycran)
11. Peter Telford (Downpatrick)
12. Fintan McGreevey (Castlewellan)
13. Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks)
14. Gareth Johnson (Ballygalget)
15. Danny Hughes (Saval)
Gavin Donaghy sent off for Queens - straight red.............sure they're all angels are they not?
From BBC NI:
Cavan 1-13 1-11 Queen's
Debutant Rory Gallagher hit a late point in Cavan's victory over Queen's in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.
Gerald Pearson hit seven Cavan points although he was replaced in the closing stages by ex-Fermanagh star Gallagher.
Cavan led 0-8 to 0-6 at the break and Dermot McCabe's penalty then helped extend their lead to 1-11 to 0-9.
Eoin McCartan's goal helped QUB draw level but Cavan hit the final two points. QUB's Gavin Donaghy got a straight red card just after half-time.
Derry county player Donaghy was given his marching orders after an apparent clash with Cavan star McCabe.
McCabe's penalty came after Mark McKeever had been hauled down in the parallelogram.
Four of Pearson's seven points came from play while Queen's top scorer was Fermanagh county forward Ciaran O'Reilly who hit four points.
Cavan defeated Derry in their McKenna Cup opener last Sunday and they take on Tyrone in their final group game next weekend.
Mmmm, Gavin Donaghy - the new Johnny McBride.
Doubt you lads want to hear much about Cavan so
For Queens.....
Daniel McCartan got a fair roasting when McCabe switched in on him....
Gerard O Kane was replaced in the first half, he must have been injured because hes one of Queens key men.....
Charlie Vernon had a good tussle with Nicolas Walsh in the middle of the field....
Kevin McGourty moved to Midfield after about 10/15 minutes was energetic and sharp and sprayed the ball around a bit.
Up front is were the best Queens players were in my opinion...
Charlie Kielt kicked over 3 lovely points from play in the first half....
Eoin McCartan was very sharp as well....
didnt notice Ciaran O Reily as much,some of those 4 points must have been from frees.....
i expected much more from Donaghy and Kevin Niblock.
QuoteThat Down starting 15 cant be accurate. For a start Kearney and McArdle are injured. It looks like the names are going in alphabetical order aswell. Definitely not the starting 15.
Has Ross struck on an ingenious way of picking his team? Take all the guys on you panel and name them alphabetically to form a team. It will be interesting to see the actual team that plays in comparison with the team that has been named. There will be comparisons with POR if the two do not match.
Harsh words from Mickey Harte on TG4 before the Derry/Tryone game where he stated that if the issues with Universities being involved continued to cause problems then the competition would be better off without them. Just who does he think he is? I used to respect this man - now I think he's nothing but a jumped up p***k?
State of Owen Mulligan, looks like an absolute kn**ker. Shouldnt be allowed play looking like that.
Love the 'Mulligan Mullet' alright.
Tyrone 1.11 - 0.3 Derry
Tyrone looking very impressive. Moving the ball well and tight in defence. Derry look like very poor and disinterested. Could get worse in the second half. Mulligan - get to the barbers (or probably hairdressers in his case).
Half-time at Davitt Park:
Armagh 0-8 Fermanagh 0-2
Burren:
Down 0-5 UUJ 0-7
Latest at Casement:
Antrim 0-5 Donegal 0-6
Will there be the first video evidence of 07, after Eoghain Bradley dropped the two knees down onto the back of the knee of Tyrone's Brendan Boggs?
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State of Owen Mulligan, looks like an absolute kn**ker. Shouldnt be allowed play looking like that.
Thons terrible, looks like a outcast from the Thompson Twins or something like that
UUJ 0.12 - 0.5 Down Latest score
results
Armagh 0-9 Fermanagh 1-5 (Maguire scored goal)
Donegal 0-9 Antrim 0-8
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-06
Down 1-07 Jordanstown Mucksavages 1-15 at the moment
UUJ 1.19 - 1.6 Down - Picking teams alphabetically doesn't work obviously.
Did Down have a point taken off them ?
Not sure. I wasn't at the match but that is the score I received. Unless you know something different.
No, wasn't there but your score tallies with BBC. Not a lot of odds mind you. Still, RC and DJ are right.Scunder,mind you.
harte is right - why shouldn't he allowed pick his own players - the universities add zippo to the competition and should be ejected with immediate effect. they have the higher education leagues and the sigerson/fitzgibbon cups. if they want something else to play iin -they should make up their own competitions instead of polluting everyon'e else's. We have to put with pox like UCD in the dublin championship - one wonders how long it will be before they seek entry into the county championships up north then we'll see how many fans they have here then.
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What's the odds on: Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan and UUJ? All to win?
17.4/1 or £174 for £10.
Tyrone 1-15 0-9 Derry
Tyrone's first-half blitz enabled them to comfortably defeat Derry in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Omagh.
Red Hand boss Mickey Harte used UUJ squad players Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul in the game, defying an Ulster Council directive.
Derry led 0-2 to 0-1 but Tyrone hit 10 unanswered points before Cathal McCarron's goal just before the break.
The Oak Leafers produced a mini-revival after the break but Tyrone were never in danger and won pulling up.
Early points from the Bradley brothers, Paddy and Eoin, gave Derry a promising start, but Tyrone were soon into their stride.
Midfielder Mickey Murphy hit three points, with Tommy McGuigan, Damien McDermott, Paul Rouse, Davy Harte and Colm Cavanagh also getting their names on the scoresheet.
Newcomers Damien McDermott and Cathal McCarron were also on target, and while Paddy Bradley pulled back a Derry point late in the half, but by that stage Tyrone had already racked up 11 scores.
The Red Hands hit the visitors with another blow in stoppage time when McCarron grabbed his goal from a rebound after Derry goalkeeper Shane O'Kane had failed to hold his initial shot.
Derry narrowed the gap with scores from Paddy and Eoin Bradley and Conleth Gilligan in the third quarter but McCarron's accuracy from frees kept Tyrone comfortably in front.
Tyrone scorers: C McCarron 1-3 (3 frees), M Murphy 0-3, T McGuigan, D McDermott 0-2 each, C Cavanagh, O Mulligan, D Harte, D Carlin, P Rouse (free) 0-1 each.
Derry scorers: Paddy Bradley 0-5 (2 frees), E Bradley 0-2, C Gilligan, R McElhone 0-1 each.
Tyrone: P McConnell, D McCaul, C McGinley, P Marlow, D Harte, D Carlin, B Boggs, M Murphy, S Cavanagh, T McGuigan, O Mulligan, C Cavanagh, C McCarron, P Rouse, D McDermott. Subs: R Mellon for S Cavanagh, E McGinley for Murphy, N Gormley for McDermott, M Penrose for Harte.
Derry: S O'Kane, K McGuckin, K McCann, J Keenan, A McAlynn, F Doherty, L Hinphey, Patsy Bradley, J Conway, R McElhone, A McCartney, C Moran, C Gilligan, Paddy Bradley, E Bradley. Subs; K McCloy for Hinphey, P O'Hea for McAlynn, J Kelly for Moran, Paul Bradley for McCartan
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Results
Section A
Armagh 0-9 1-5 Fermanagh
Monaghan 2-16 0-11 St Mary's
Section B
Tyrone 1-15 0-9 Derry
Cavan 1-13 1-11 Queens
Section C
UUJ 1-19 1-6 Down
Antrim 0-8 0-9 Donegal
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Mickey's obviously aiming for a glorious three in a row.
Seriously though it's no good everyone paying lip service to the burnout issue and then backing Harte's ridiculous stance on this matter. At present the university students are expected to be out training with the county and uni teams at least three times a week on top of individual work, weights and study for exams at the same time – add on under 21 and freshers teams and the fact that they might not even be involved when the panels are cut back to 30 for the league and the situation is just crazy for the most talented.
Best to let them play for the university and if the likes of Harte feel's so hard done by maybe he could give a few club players a chance and have a look at the uni players in the league.
Quote from: Donagh on January 14, 2007, 05:52:44 PM
Mickey's obviously aiming for a glorious three in a row.
Is it not
FOUR in a row he's looking Donagh?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2007, 05:55:25 PM
Is it not FOUR in a row he's looking Donagh?
Feck I couldn't tell you. I think Mickey's probably the only person that pays attention to this competition.
Quoteharte is right - why shouldn't he allowed pick his own players - the universities add zippo to the competition and should be ejected with immediate effect. they have the higher education leagues and the sigerson/fitzgibbon cups. if they want something else to play iin -they should make up their own competitions instead of polluting everyon'e else's. We have to put with pox like UCD in the dublin championship - one wonders how long it will be before they seek entry into the county championships up north then we'll see how many fans they have here then.
Very good - makes no sense, but very good.
Quotethe universities add zippo to the competition and should be ejected with immediate effect. they have the higher education leagues and the sigerson/fitzgibbon cups. if they want something else to play iin -they should make up their own competitions instead of polluting everyon'e else's.
They add nothing - have not the universities contributed to adding an interest to a competition even the worms in the ground didn't want to see. The actually were invited into this competition and are not polluting it in any way - they actually have helped invigorate it and raise it to an unprecedented level of interest and support.
QuoteWe have to put with pox like UCD in the Dublin championship - one wonders how long it will be before they seek entry into the county championships up north then we'll see how many fans they have here then
Not sure where you received you education but your Geography teacher needs a slap. UCD is in Dublin (the D in UCD stands for Dublin) so I fail to see, Mr Josey Wales, why this team would want to play in any competition in Ulster. Maybe you have an insight into restructuring of competitions within the capital city which you could share with us, but I can't see it getting to the stage where they want to compete in the Premiere Province - Ulster.
A lot of crap Cloc Mor. I'll only say this about it and no more - don't believe all you read. I'm sure not all unis involved are overly delighted at being forced to compete in this tournament.
QuoteA lot of crap Cloc Mor. I'll only say this about it and no more - don't believe all you read. Not all unis involved are overly delighted at being 'forced' to compete in this tournament.
Ditto to some of your posts O'Neill. You must have close contacts with University students to make such a statement as that. Cant agree with your sentiments and neither do the players I have been speaking to.
not a question of paying lip service to burnout but the following.
- If a player is good enough for Sigerson- he shouldn't be playing Freshers -that's hardly a pro-active approach by the UNiversity who are AS bad as anyone when it comes to contributing to burnout.
- If a player is good enough for the county senior panel - there should be no requirement for him to train with the 21 panel or play mickey mouse challenege games with them.
You have to look at the managers point of view as well. they have guys in university panels who may/may not be good enough for county football. How is Harte supposed to find out- if they are good enough unless they are playing for Tyrone. I don't agree that the Sigerson Cup is the standard of competition people think it is. It's played in the most awful weather conditions and having attended and played quite a few games- mundane is what i'd describe a lot of them. It's quite obvious county managers don'r rate the level of Sigerson training in a lot of the colleges.
Harte is being a tosser about this - why is he so intransigent so frequently?? He should look on this as an opportunity to use other players - as Donagh say, there are other club players he can give a run out to in these games.
This matter is not related to the UCD in Dublin championship matter Josey, i am in complete agreement with you re that - it's non-sensical, let players play in 2 county championships - yeah, makes sense ::)
You're entitled to your opinion Cloc Mor but I'm not getting involved in a slanging match.
The ever increasing profile of the inter-county game is going to lead to the university competitions being squeezed. Mickey Harte doesn't care whether UUJ or QUB win the Sigerson Cup-he's only interested in Tyroen winning Sam. And I wonder did anyone ask the university players involved did they not want to play for Tyrone? Playing county football is a honour for any player and having to play for university hardly holds the same appeal.
The reality is the mc kenna cup/o byrne cup etc- is where the managers sort out there league panels- they obviosuly don't put the same stock on the Sigerson Cup anymore and they don't want it interfereing in their preparations. I'm not saying that's right- but we've seen the demise of the club competitions where county managers won't even let players play with their club - obviosuly the universities are next.
You mention QUB AND UUJ and I think thats where Mickey Harte's problem lies. He was squeezed out of St Mary's by Paddy Tally and he wants to take this out on all the universities. The University competitions will never be squeezed out and to suggest this is totally outrageous.
In reply to Josey Wales, you probably have never played Sigerson football and I can tell you footballers who play this standard of fooball are better prepared than those who compete in the McKenna Cup.
Even Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney. UUJ's victory today means that the chance of Unis not competing next year in this competition are slim. Mickey has played this spot on. He has 4 players who'll definitely make the panel playing for the Unis, players he knows will make the grade and has recalled 3 who he's not as clear about. As manager of the Tyrone team, he is fulfilling the job requirements satisfactorily.
O'Neill doesn't know what he's talking about but sure what's new?
In Ulster anyway, the universities are invited to compete in the mckenna cup and do so of their own accord. this was introduced as a revamp to the previously stale mckenna cup.
talk as much shite as you like but the competition is better for the participation of the universities and will remain so unless more managers regauge their own self worth and follow harte's lead.
Ach Uladh are you still at the childish stuff/obsession with me? I'd thought you'd given that up after last time!! A young pup never knows when to stop eating his own...
I'm sure Mickey knows what i'm on about and would call the Ulster Council's bluff if they acted. I'd imagine that's why the authorities are dragging their heels.
The universities have added absolutely nothing to this, apart from 'something different' . Their attendances are the worst (the Tyrone v St Mary's game last year was the lowest Tyrone attendance i've seen in years) and as with the Derry player who was left in Limbo this year, it just muddies the waters.
QuoteEven Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney. UUJ's victory today means that the chance of Unis not competing next year in this competition are slim. Mickey has played this spot on. He has 4 players who'll definitely make the panel playing for the Unis, players he knows will make the grade and has recalled 3 who he's not as clear about. As manager of the Tyrone team, he is fulfilling the job requirements satisfactorily.
QuoteEven Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney.
To make such a statement as this O'Neill, you obviously have this assurance first hand then?
Yes, as do 1000s of others who read his interview this week.
your impliation is that the ranch are somehow forced to enter this competition, which is total shite. the ulster council have no sway over universities and cannot force them to do anything.
your repeated point that the unis bring nothing to the competition betrays once again your complete ignorance of the game of football. i assume you haven't attended a single mckenna cup game as usual.
the next time your having a conversation with mickey, tell him not to be such a w**ker and leave his grudge against tally behind him.
QuoteEven Paddy Tally sees sense in Harte's stance, as do Crozier and McEnaney.
Not talking about an article in a paper. You obviously have been speaking to him directly, O Neill, to make a statement like this
Very high opinion of your own opinions Uladh- maybe some of us have a different opinion that's why it's called a forum- if you want to have one with you as the only poster- set up your own. I don't think they add any value to the competition and i'm entitled to that view. I know if i was a county manager and i wanted to see a player i wasn't sure about in action i'd want to see him in action for the county side- because how are you supposed to know if he's good enough?
Quote from: Uladh on January 14, 2007, 08:04:29 PM
your impliation is that the ranch are somehow forced to enter this competition, which is total shite. the ulster council have no sway over universities and cannot force them to do anything.
your repeated point that the unis bring nothing to the competition betrays once again your complete ignorance of the game of football. i assume you haven't attended a single mckenna cup game as usual.
the next time your having a conversation with mickey, tell him not to be such a w**ker and leave his grudge against tally behind him.
Mmmm, will someone close the door of the creche on the way out....you're 100% correct in everything Uladh.
When does a player become a "county player"? Up to today Cavanagh and McCaul had not played for the county. If they had played for their Universities then when could they be classed as "County players"? Mickey released his established players so i cant see anything wrong in what he is doing.
QuoteWhen does a player become a "county player"? Up to today Cavanagh and McCaul had not played for the county. If they had played for their Universities then when could they be classed as "County players"? Mickey released his established players so i cant see anything wrong in what he is doing.
So neither of these players have EVER played for Tyrone (at any level). You don't know them very well then.
See what your dealing with, reddgnhand. As I said, best to close the door. Past the bed-time.
Quote from: Cloc Mor on January 14, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
QuoteWhen does a player become a "county player"? Up to today Cavanagh and McCaul had not played for the county. If they had played for their Universities then when could they be classed as "County players"? Mickey released his established players so i cant see anything wrong in what he is doing.
So neither of these players have EVER played for Tyrone (at any level). You don't know them very well then.
I know damn well who these guy's are. I never said at any "level". I am talking about senior level and you know that. All i am saying is, if they had chosen to play for their University how could they then be classed as county(senior) players ?
Whether a player had or had not previously played county football is irrelevent to this discussion. the rules are that the unis name their panels and any player named for a uni may not participate for another team in the competition. up until today, no rules had actually been broken as none of the 3 had played in the competition elsewhere.
tyrone enter the competition the same as everyone else with a full understanding of the rules then decide they want to change them. what next? compulsary free kicks for players under 5 ft?
Quote from: Uladh on January 14, 2007, 10:07:33 PM
Whether a player had or had not previously played county football is irrelevent to this discussion. the rules are that the unis name their panels and any player named for a uni may not participate for another team in the competition. up until today, no rules had actually been broken as none of the 3 had played in the competition elsewhere.
tyrone enter the competition the same as everyone else with a full understanding of the rules then decide they want to change them. what next? compulsary free kicks for players under 5 ft?
What about the players themselves? Should they not be allowed to choose who they play for?
Surely Tyrone need to be thrown out. You break the rules - you're out.
Or has Mickey found a loophole....McKenna Cup Regulation 4 - "A player may only play with either his university team or county team". No rule broken there. Cavanagh & co were given a choice, after UUJ had first pick.
It wouldn't surprise me if the underhanded Ulster Council have no sanctions in place.
O'Neill is right. Mickey Harte knows he has not broken any rules. A number of prominent GAA figures have been quoted as saying that there was "a gentleman's agreement" that the Universities would have first call on the county players. That is hardly enough for the Ulster Council to impose any sanctions on Mickey Harte or Tyrone. The matter should be allowed to rest. It is too late now for the Ulster Council to do anything about it. If they want, they can change their rules for the McKenna Cup in 2008.
Quote from: Donagh on January 14, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2007, 05:55:25 PM
Is it not FOUR in a row he's looking Donagh?
Feck I couldn't tell you. I think Mickey's probably the only person that pays attention to this competition.
Very well observed, Donagh. I suppose you are also aware that big Joe is probably the only person that pays attention to the Ulster Senior Football Championship. Is it three or four in a row of Anglo Celt Cups he is going for this year?
I think it is better for all concerned that the colleges are in and think Mickey Harte is wrong on this one. However, there are too many demands on this age-group and I suggest getting rid of the under 21s -what is the point ?This is the age group who can be faced with Club Senior and Under 21, County Senior and under 21,Colleges(Sigerson and sometimes freshers) ( and in some cases province or even country).And they wonder why there's burn-out. Let the lads at college get to play with lads from other counties- those friendships have lasted, in my case, for over 20 years.The lads not at college still can get plenty of football.
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 14, 2007, 10:59:17 PM
there was "a gentleman's agreement" that the Universities would have first call on the county players.
one could hardly expect harte to repsect that...
O'neill... be a good chap and post all of the competition rules (infull as opposed to the little bits that suit you) while you're busy cutting & pasting anyway...
A reasonable sized crowd saw Donegal hang on to win by a point against a game Antrim side who played an hour with 14 men when Higgins was sent off for two consecutive personal fouls on Martin Mc Elhinney.For long periods any late arrivals to Casement would find it hard to believe that we had the numerical advantage.we were sluggish and disinterested throughout and only showed some impetus when Antrim levelled again with 15 minutes to go.The game saw a debut for Colm Mc Carron at corner back with season starts for Michael Boyle and Noel Hegarty.Kevin Cassidy partnered Joe Friel in midfield and Eamon Mc Gee moved to centre half.
Michael Boyle 7.0 Not troubled with any shots apart from a goalmouth scramble at the end and tried to kick to Cass at every opportunity.
Peter Witherow 6.5 Played his second full game and did well to keep Close from racking up scores that his possession and open play looked like doing.
Paddy Campbell 6.5 Guilty of getting caught in possession early on but steady presence for newcomers but did not look too comfortable with the roving tactics of the Antrim FF line.
Colm Mc Carron 6.0 Booked in first half and switched with witherow.Looks strong enough for this level and should get another chance against Down.
Barry Dunnion 6.5 Used as spare man but failed to reach his customary impact.
Eamon Mc Gee 6.5 Released ball into attack just a little quicker yesterday but not a threat in creative sense.
Noel Hegarty 6.0 Poor enough but lasted until being replaced by Christ Toye at end.
Joe Friel 6.0 Played full game but was second best against a robust Antrim midfield.
Kevin Cassidy 7.5 Urged on team and competed well,kicked one wide when hard work in making space was achieved.At this early juncture is favourite IMO for Gallagher partnership.
Ryan Bradley 7.0 Worked very hard in covering back.Could not fault his effort and kicked two points off his left foot.Mc Iver is obviously giving him every oppotunity this year.
Johnny Mc Loone 6.0 Failed to make any impact and was replaced by Brian Roper
Michael Murphy 6.5 Contributed one free and a point from play but kicked 3 easy frees wide.
Kevin Mc Menamin 7.0 Again showed well always first to ball but cannot seem to get by the defender instead opting to lay off.Does not seem to have the physical power to go for points in excess of 30m.
Benny Byrne 6.5 More effective as target man this week and laid off nicely for the last point by Thompson.Still not knocking at Mc Iver's door with the solution to our FF woes.
Martin Mc Elhinney 7.0 Livliest and most direct forward,switched to the 40 for last quarter.
Subs:
Neil Mc Gee 6.5 Steady enough and will improve - repaced Mc Carron at half time.
Brian Roper 7.0 Kicked a trademark point to steady the ship and did the basics well.
Frank Mc Glynn 6.0 Replaced Hegarty and missed easy point chance from 30m towards end.
Leon Thompson 6.5 Kicked final point and looked sharp and first to every ball.
Christy Toye Not on long enough to rate
Positives - Martin Mc Elhinney and Cass in midfield.
Negatives - Inability to make use of extra man
Thought the match at Casement was pretty crap yesterday to be honest. The score stood at 6-5 for a large part of the second half, and only in about the last ten minutes did the excitement pick up. Donegal looked a lot pacier than Antrim in the second half, though I'm sure a few months under Jody Gormely will help Antrim improve. Antrim kept playing the ball behind them, seeming unprepared to take on the defenders. Donegal were more willing to do so but not to great effect as a number of efforts went wide that should surely have gone over.
Have to agree with Rois, it was a poor match all right.
McIver did use alot of inexperienced players but Antrim looked the hungrier for the win.
Alot of badly missed points from both sides, although the Antrim keeper nearly put the ball in his own net in the first half and that could have had a major impact if it had gone in as the Antrim lads heads could have gone down at that stage.
Donegal have done enough to go through to the semi's, I think that a Donegal - Tyrone final is on the cards again.
We'll stop all this talk of 4 in a row...! ;D
Surely the extra man helped Donegal look faster than Antrim in the 2nd half!!
not that it matters though, the McKenna Cup is a farcical tournament where every manager taking part is merely 'tyre kicking' at whatever lads he's had at trials before turning them down for the more experienced heads.
I see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for? ???
Quote from: SlimShady on January 15, 2007, 10:34:45 AM
Surely the extra man helped Donegal look faster than Antrim in the 2nd half!!
not that it matters though, the McKenna Cup is a farcical tournament where every manager taking part is merely 'tyre kicking' at whatever lads he's had at trials before turning them down for the more experienced heads.
In all fairness Donegal didn't take advantage of their numerical strength.
I think that the McKenna cup has a place in the Gaelic calander, it gives managers a chance to run the rule over their panels for the forecoming season.
It also eases us fans back into the inter county competitions after a hearty christmas! ;)
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 15, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
I think that a Donegal - Tyrone final is on the cards again.
We'll stop all this talk of 4 in a row...! ;D
Bring it on, cause I didn't see too much yesterday that would worry Tyrone! At least the midget jokes could be transferred to Donegal instead - Roper and Leon Thompson are certainly very small for county players.
Who was the young number 24 for Antrim yesterday - didn't have a team list so couldn't tell, but I thought he was particularly wasteful and anxious looking.
Maybe that was the case Slim but since ya weren't there, you couldn't tell that for sure :P
With reference to the debate earlier about Tyrone and the College players it looks like DCU have found the solution:
DCU withdraw in protest
15 January 2007
Dublin City University decided against travelling to an O'Byrne Cup Shield clash with Athlone IT because a number of their players were pressurised into lining out for their county rather than representing the college.A number of colleges now participate in the early season provincial competitions and part of the rules are that they must have first call on all players who are also involved in county action.
However, in this season's O'Byrne Cup a number of college players lined out with their counties and DCU decided to withdraw from the competition in protest.
"We feel that the recent pressures that were placed directly on some players to play for their county instead of their college were unfair to those involved," said DCU's Declan Brennan.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71075
QuoteI see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?
Aye? Surely you jest?
Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.
''Maybe that was the case Slim but since ya weren't there, you couldn't tell that for sure''
and i wont be at any of the McKenna Cup games!
and since you're trying to get a fly dig in, surely if you were any sort of Tyrone fan you'd have made the trip to Omagh or at least tuned in to TG4 instead of going to watch a ''poor game'' in Casement!
You could have been counting numbers while you watched it as well-big workload and all!! :P
The Ulster Council have called an emergency meeting to decide what (if any) penalty to impose on Tyrone.
surely tyrone will have to be kicked out of the competition, rules are rules!!
Are they rules or guidlines or agreements between the the groups. Ulster council need to be careful here, there role is certainly not to protect or look after the interest of thrid level universities.
It was interesting to see how Harte had his young prey come on to the telly last week and back up his argument. I still think he needs taken down a peg or three for his actions.
And then he'll withdraw and go after the O'Byrne Cup :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6263549.stm
QuoteTyrone's game with Cavan this weekend in the McKenna Cup is on hold pending the outcome of an emergency Ulster Council meeting on Tuesday night.
The meeting will determine what, if any, punishment to hand down to Tyrone after they played four university students in Sunday's win over Derry.
Under the competition rules university teams have first preference on players who are also eligible for their county.
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte said the players opted to play for the county.
"The players made that decision. They were asked where did they wanted to go, and they chose Tyrone," said Harte.
However, under the McKenna Cup rules, as determined by the provincial council, Damian McCaul, Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs (all UUJ) and Cathal McCarron (St Mary's) should have declared for their respective colleges.
"The Ulster Council position is that they have broken the regulations, and we'll have to see what to do," said Ulster Council chairman Micheal Greenan.
"It's not a matter for me, it's a matter for the council to deal with, and the council will deal with it."
One option is that the defending champions will be docked points for their controversial stance.
Tyrone are due to meet Cavan in the final and decisive Group B tie under lights at Breffni Park, with the winners going through to the semi-finals.
Shoite
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2007, 10:56:55 AM
QuoteI see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?
Aye? Surely you jest?
Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.
The same Irish News report also has D McCaul coming on as a sub for UUJ and scoring a point!
Refreshing victory for Tyrone
15 January 2007
Tyrone continued their team-building ahead of the NFL when on Sunday last at Healy Park, Omagh they easily defeated near neighbours, Derry in the second round of the McKenna Cup on a scoreline of 1-15 to 0-9.
The home side containing only four players from year's championship side were far too good for a visiting Derry side who included in their ranks six of their championship side of last season.
In a game that was played at a fast and competitive pace, the home side were clearly the masters and at the break they had the game already tied up leading by 1-11 to 0-3 – an 11 points lead.
Derry, as expected made a better fist of matters in the second-half without really troubling a Tyrone side full of flair and invention, with every player in the side out to impress the management ahead of the new season.
The selection of four university players in the home side attracted plenty of pre-match attention. It showed why Manager Harte wanted to have a good look at them in action and why they feel they can make the Red Hand panel this season.
On this performance the Tyrone management will have some headaches before he picks his squad for the forthcoming NFL campaign. However, he should get a better idea of the real potential of these youngsters when they travel to Kingspan/Breffni Park in Cavan next week-end for their third round meeting with the unbeaten Breffni side in the competition.
Derry at the present time are in something of a disarray. They have now suffered two heavy defeats on the trot against Cavan at home in Celtic Park and on Sunday in Omagh against Tyrone. Hardly the best way to start the new competitive season for Paddy Crozier and his Derry squad. The new players he has introduced into the squad by and large have failed to make a major impact, and you could say they have some problems already and the season only starting. As the saying goes it can only get better for the Oak Leaf side, and the return of many of their experienced players in the coming weeks will see a much stronger and better focussed Derry side for the start of the NFL.
Once again as was the case in the Cavan defeat there is too much reliance on Paddy Bradley for scores, but another worry has to be the number of scores they have conceded over the two games played.
Tyrone – Paschal McConnell; D. McCaul, C. McGinley, P. Marlow; Davy Harte 0-1, D. Carlin 0-1, B. Boggs; M. Murphy 0-3, Sean Cavanagh; Tommy McGuigan 0-2, Owen Mulligan 0-1, C. Cavanagh 0-1; C. McCarron 1-3, 0-3 from frees, P. Rouse 0-1 0-1, D. McDermott 0-2.
Subs – Ryan Mellon for Sean Cavanagh; E. McGinley for M. Murphy; N. Gormley for McDermott; Martin Penrose for Davy Harte.
Derry – S. O'Kane; K. McGuckin, K. McCann, J. Keenan; A. McAlynn, Fergal Doherty, Liam Hinphey; Patsy Bradley, J. Conway; R. McElhone 0-1, C. Gilligan 0-1, C. Moran; A.. McCartney, Paddy Bradley 0-5, 2 frees, Eoin Bradley 0-2.
Subs – Kevin McCloy for Hinphey; P. O'Hea for McAlynn; J. Kelly for Moran and Paul Bradley for A. McCartney.
Referee – Brian Crowe from Cavan.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71130
Quote from: ClosetotheHarte on January 15, 2007, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2007, 10:56:55 AM
QuoteI see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?
Aye? Surely you jest?
Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.
The same Irish News report also has D McCaul coming on as a sub for UUJ and scoring a point. It's funny that Colm
Hogan Stand have it too and McCaul scored a point. Must be some player. Must be the same report.http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71109
Down side have no answer to rampant UUJ side15 January 2007
Down's hopes of figuring in the knock-out stages of this season's Dr. McKenna Cup ended at the Burren venue on Sunday, 14th of January when they were outplayed in the second-half by a rampant UUJ side who went on to win the game on a scoreline of 1-19 to 1-6.
The home side started the game impressively enough and after six minutes play they led by 0-3 to 0-1. Slowly by surely the UUJ side worked themselves into the game and playing some excellent football they were good value for their 0-7 to 0-5 lead at the break.
The students continued to force the pace in the third quarter of the game, and by the 42nd minute they were seven points in front and clearly in command. Despite the best efforts of an inexperienced home side they just couldn't get back into contention, and they scored six further points from the 56th minute for a facile victory in the end.
It was the first time Jordanstown were drawn to play a Down side in the Dr. McKenna Cup. This win gave them a timely boost ahead of the Sigerson Cup finals which will be held in Belfast this coming March.
Their coach, and former Derry star, Adrian McGuckian was delighted with the win and the attitude of his charges in this game. "We played some very exciting football, and it was a great team performance. The players are starting to believe in themselves, and a win like this will do wonders for confidence as their preparations for the Sigersons Cup continues apace.However, he also added that they were up against a weakened Down side on this occasion, and can expect much tougher games in the weeks ahead in Sigerson Cup fare.''
As for Ross Carr and his Down management it was not all gloom and doom. Six players from Down started for UUJ and there was a broad canvas of prospects for Ross Carr to look at. While on this occasion he was concentrating on those wearing the 'red and black', the players who made good impressions yesterday were all wearing the Jordanstown blue, including 'man of the match' John Boyle, who captained the winning side and scored three points into the bargain.
Down – Mickey McVeigh; D. Rooney, S. Toner, P. Matthews; C. McCrickard, J. Doran, C. Murtagh 0-1; A. Carville 0-2, Gareth Johnston; K. Gracey, N. Sweeney, B. Doran; C. Gribben 1-2, B. Sweeney, Daniel Hughes 0-1.
Subs – E. Henry for J. Doran; K. McGuigan for McCrickard; P. Telford for Carville; J. Lynch for Johnson; A. Burns for Sweeney.
UUJ – M. McAllister; P. Mooney, J. Conlon, S. O'Hagan; R. Murray 0-1, E. McConville, S. McAleer; John Colgan 0-1, J. Bradley; Martin Lynch 1-5, three frees and one '45', John Boyle capt. 0-3, R. Mulgrew 0-1; M. Herron, P. Downey 0-3, B. O'Brien 0-2, one free.
Subs –
D. McCaul 0-1 for O'Brien; K. Dyas 0-2 for O'Hagan;
B. Boggs for McAleer.
Referee – Gregory Walsh from Antrim.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2007, 10:56:55 AM
QuoteI see in the Irish News Eamon O'Hara has a B Boggs coming on as substitute for UUJ against Down. Anybody know what club/county he plays for?
Aye? Surely you jest?
Brendan Boggs of Owen Roes and Tyrone fame who played 70 minutes at wing-half in Omagh yesterday.
The same Irish News report also has 'D McCaul' coming on as a sub for UUJ and scoring a point, at the same time as Damian McCaul was playing for Tyrone at Healy Park. It's funny that Colm Cavanagh wasn't playing for them too! Was he just not able to be in two places at the one time?
I take it the UUJ match WAS on at the same time as the Tyrone match!
harte is only trying to see how far he can push the Ulster Council without getting his ego, sorry knuckles, rapped. IMO they should throw the book at either the players or the county board, they all knew the rules at the start of the competition regarding declaring for county or uni.
Quote from: aontroim abu on January 15, 2007, 04:46:32 PM
harte is only trying to see how far he can push the Ulster Council without getting his ego, sorry knuckles, rapped. IMO they should throw the book at either the players or the county board, they all knew the rules at the start of the competition regarding declaring for county or uni.
Throw the book at them, for what? Are you trying to tell us that players are not allowed to choose what team they line out for? I think the Ulster council are digging a big hole for themselves. They dont have the power to tell a player what team he plays for.
O'Neill your blatant biased attitude on this subject is laughable.
It is isn't it. I'm laughing.
I am glad, for a moment I thought you were serious with your argument.
Couldn't be more serious. Laughing at some from a certain county wetting themselves with excitement.
You can fool no one, it is obvious you don't really back Harte in this instance. It is ok you are allowed to disagree with your County's manager, I give Joe a hard time on this board.
would have said O Neill is right - i know if iit was me id want to play for my county- playing for you university is hardly the same thing. theplayers should have the right to choose- it may be the only chance they'd ever get.
Another first for the GAA as Tyrone and Cavan play their
McKenna Cup tie on ice
15 January 2007
The Cavan versus Tyrone McKenna Cup game this weekend is noticeable by its absence from the official fixture list as the Ulster Council are set to meet to discuss the O'Neill County's use of four players who were meant to assist their colleges in the competition.
It is understood the fixture has been put on hold pending the outcome of an emergency meeting of the Ulster GAA Council tomorrow night (Tuesday).
The meeting will determine whether if any punishment is handed down to Tyrone after the county fielded four university players in their game against Derry last weekend. Under competition rules, universities have first call on an eligible player.
Jordanstown's Damian McCaul, Colm Cavanagh and Brendan Boggs and Cathal McCarron of St Mary's all lined out for Tyrone on Sunday, despite a warning from the Ulster Council last week that this was in breach of the competition rules.
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has said though that the players concerned opted to line out for their county.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71160
Get yourselves down to Coors Breffini Park Cavan where the puck-in or face off is 6.30pm
Quote from: Josey Whales on January 15, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
would have said O Neill is right - i know if iit was me id want to play for my county- playing for you university is hardly the same thing. theplayers should have the right to choose- it may be the only chance they'd ever get.
Totally agree.
Haven't played much lads?
Reddgnhand the point i am trying to get across is that all teams/ counties/ uni's knew the rules about declaring for a team prior to the competition starting, but obviously Tyrone/Harte dont want to abide by them. What would you expect the ulster council to do? nothing i presume
At the end of the day this is an inter-county competition, not a 3rd level one. The Universities have been let in and they shouldnt be calling the shots or getting any preferential treatment. Fair dues, if county teams can accomodate them by letting their students play with them then so be it, but if the players or the management want certain players to line out for the county then so be it. For teams like tyrone, who dont play challenge games, the mckenna cup is important to blood and try new players. Put on top of that that tyrone have several players recovering from injury, then they need all the available players they can get. For boys like Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh etc, this competition is a big opportunity for them to show they canhold their own at competitive(although not championship)senior intercounty football. Most of these players have come through successful underage teams, and they know that opportunities to break into the senior team or to get themselves in the running for a spot or likely sub apperance are scarce. As stated, these players made the decision and I believe it should be their choice and nobody elses. Im sure if you had asked any of the players in question as to who they wanted to play for, they would have said their county!
If the competition regulations state that the Universities have first call on the players, then the Tyrone four were every bit as ineligible for the Derry game as Steven O'Neill was. I too would like to play for Tyrone but unfortunately I am ineligible because of the rules and regulations of the GAA.
Given that they were all ineligible, the only appropriate action (as stated in the official guide) is that Tyrone are thrown out of the competition, all four players receive a six month ban and the Tyrone county chairman and secretary receive identical bans. At least until Fergal Logan gets involved.
Rules is rules, boys.
Having received a legal opinion (and not Fergal Logan's by the way!), Mickey Harte was advised that playing the Tyrone Four was not against the written rules, but against the spirit of the competition. He ignored the "spirit" comment.
if thats true then Scruffy Mick will now be as likeable to the non-Tyrone people as his media-whore of a daughter!!
Everybody know's that won't happen, Tyrone will bring 3000 supporters to Cavan on Saturday night - then about 10000 to a possible semi with Armagh & something similar if they get ot the final.
Possible Revenue over £140,000 (As long as my maths hold up).
No matter about rules though, or the arrogance of Messeurs Harte & the Tyrone County Board of which rules apply to them or not...
...Micky should have used this as an opportunity to try someone else. Surely it is obvious that the county teams have a greater selection than the Universities & to make this competition competitive & worthwhile these rules exist!
Quote from: SlimShady on January 16, 2007, 09:57:22 AM
if thats true then Scruffy Mick will now be as likeable to the non-Tyrone people as his media-whore of a daughter!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D
This debate has gone far enough and Im gonna end it now. Lets talk about rules and the spirit then of the GAA, it seems universitiies bend the rules all the time, by paying managers and offering incentives to players. Can anyone tell me who was the last non paid University coach? Remember the UCD Dublin championship win, boys played on that team that had already played at club level. Im a great believer in leaving the colleges to one side as they operate on a different spirit and set of rules than cluib and county. Fair play to ye \Mickey - I tell ye what lads ye can be thankful that Harte calls these things on behalf of us all (even at this stage if we cant agree) I guarantee Mickey will never let what happened with UCD happen in Ulster. Lads if i had a choice of playing for a college team or a county team Id jump at the county opportunity. it mightr be the only one that comes my way. Fair play to Mickey for giving these starlets a chance and by the way they all probably played themselves on to his panel.
Tyrone made the Mc kenna cup what it is today. Lets show the colleges who is boss - kick them out of the Mc kenna Cup for whinging....
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I think there are two reasons why the Mc kenna cup is more successful today than it was was five years ago.....firstly Ulster is on a crest of a wave in that we have Tyrone and Armagh who are top drawer and as history has shown us here in Ulstern ah la early 90s, when we have success we go in to overdrive, secondly and equally important is the fact that precedes tha national league providing managers and players serious games...the two combine together are served in the successful Mc kenna Cup...the uni spin is a minor side issue
I personnally think the Universities bring shag all to the competition. The McKenna Cup has seen a resurgence owing more to the fact of its placement just before the start of the National league and owing much to the interest generated by Armagh and Tyrone. Bring in your Tyrone Derry thing and you have the makings for decent crowds. I'm not sure of the figures but I would guess that the attendance figures at the UUJ and Down game, or St Mary against Monaghan or QUB and Cavan wouldn't be that high. You could easily exclude the University teams and still have a worthwhile competition. I'm not that big a fan of the university football in any case. Its just an excuse for the likes of QUB, UUJ and other unis to see what courses they can get star players on so that they can field a team.
The players like Cavanagh, Boggs, McCaul and McCarron all know that they have a slim chance of making the Tyrone panel and that every opportunity they get to make an impression they must take. They can't make an impression playing for a college team. Nowhere in the rules, that I have seen anway, does it say if you attend any college that you are ineligible to play for a county side during the McKenna Cup. If the competition rules say that Unis have first call on players, then thats fine but then the county has next call. What call does the player have? If the player says naw Mickey Moran I'm not playing for you, what can the Ulster Council do about it.
Well said PHPearse, if they want to play for Tyrone and not their University, how can Tyrone or Harte get in trouble. Players choice!
Quoteit seems universitiies bend the rules all the time, by paying managers and offering incentives to players
Grrrr! Those nasty universities...
Get your head out of your hole will ya
Has there been any word on the emergency ulster council meeting last night? i think if anything does happen tyrone, Mickey and Fergal Logan will have something to say about it, they know the rules but also know the loopholes in them too
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 16, 2007, 10:52:36 AM
Well said PHPearse, if they want to play for Tyrone and not their University, how can Tyrone or Harte get in trouble. Players choice!
They don't really have much of a choice!!! - Can you imagine if they chose the universitites??
Micky would not have them back in another county squad!
Now i'm not sayin yis are all stoopid tyrone inbreds, but...
The rules of the competition are set out in advance of every team electing to enter. The universities were enticed into entering with the guarantee that they could select their strongest possible panel. the idea has been so sucessful that all three of the other provences copied it.
You can dress harte's intrangience up as much as you like but he certainly knew the rules and chose to ignore them.
Tyrone should be thrown out. i understand crozier threatened the same policy before the competition started and the ulster council told him derry would be thrown out if he followed through.
for those of you who think its a simple "sure i'd play for the county ahead of the uni every time" decision, you obviously have no background in or understanding of university football. its only a few weeks til the sigerson competition begins and their preparations would be at full tilt. players know the weight county managers really put behind the mckenna cup and with the absence of emotional blackmail, university players will play for their colleges.
Uladh the Universities spokesman
let me know when the mask slips to reveal very little but a sour auld Armagh fan with little or no interest in anything but knocking Mickey Harte. This time last year we got your tongue after the bottle of Omagh. you really showing admirable stretching ability to stretch your arguement a full year and onto a completely different topic. Well done Armagh must be very proud of you and your elk.
I have little or no interest in university football this 5 years or more but it is fun to see harte make an ass of himself. keeps me in craic. like our own egotistical manager, they both just love the attention...
Quote from: realredhandfan on January 16, 2007, 12:35:04 PM
Well done Armagh must be very proud of you and your elk.
You have an elk? Didn't realise you were a strange animal lover Uladh.
Sorry, couldn't resist, it made me laugh ;D
a very rare and difficult to spot wildlife faux de pas, Rois and uladh, I am humbled to be living amongst the Heaneys - though I think its more Paddy not Seamus.
Surely Mickey Harte committed the same sin last year when he kept Rammie Mulgrew out of his uni squad so he could have a look at him.
As it went unremarked last year, you'd wonder why it's got all the fuss and attention this time around?
I believe that the Ulster Council have cottoned on to what Tyrone have been at for a number of years. the timing of the Mc kenna cup is more important to Mickey Hartes bi annual Sam Maguire plan than the Ulster championship. In other words by Tyrone taking the Mc Kenna cup and All ireland championships seriously and not the ulster championship they have weakened the Ulster councils major competition in favour of their weaker competition. The Ulster council just arent prepared to let this happen
Still, I can't how the Ulster Council can justify the big fuss as they let the same action pass last year. Unless they had officially warned the Tyrone County Board last year on the QT.
Is there a rule for the Mc Kenna cup that states universities 'MUST' be given county players and not just preference? If their is could someone please post it, or better still post the full set of rules. It would be interesting to see everyones interpretation of the rules.
Can ye Tyronies not have dissenting opinions? I find it hard to believe that none of ye are capable of independent thought on this subject, c'mon, at least one of you can admit that Harte has been a w**ker about this??
MC Kenna Cup Rules:
1) thou shalt not play for thy county
2) unless you are too old for university
3) or too young to play for the county
4) A classic case of human rights
5) it might take Feargal to win it
6) If i was Mickey Id bin it..
7) Wonder will there be many at the Cavan UUJ final
8) Should be a cracker!
9) Where the Mc kenna's Tyrone men are did they just play for their University.
10) On behalf of the innocent footballers in all this, Can anybody tell me how many chances they could be expected to get to show their worth for their county.. Surely each is important, Shame on you all..This is not a rebel poem nor poem at all.
Quote from: Bogball XV on January 16, 2007, 02:07:23 PM
Can ye Tyronies not have dissenting opinions? I find it hard to believe that none of ye are capable of independent thought on this subject, c'mon, at least one of you can admit that Harte has been a w**ker about this??
Of course Mickey Harte is fallible, he's made plenty of mistakes down the years. On this issue though Im not sure what the great fuss is, seems to me that a few people who dont like Harte are just using it as a stick to beat him with. The idea that he is doing it because of his ego or to get publicity is ludicrous, he just wants whats best for his team and if he feels he is being wronged he will speak out.
He's released the established players (whose capabilties he knows all about) but wants to have a look at the younger ones. With no competitive games before the new year the McKenna Cup is his only chance to do that before the league (and Tyrone have to play in front of a big crowd in a high profile match in their first league game). I very much doubt Harte has broken any rules, he isnt that stupid. Going "against the spirit" of the competition sounds more like it but ultimately Mickey Harte's job is to get the best possible Tyrone panel for the months ahead and if he as to go against the spirit of the McKenna whilst this isnt ideal if it has to be done then fine. He's hardly a lone voice either, its clear other managers around the country have grave doubts about the issue.
Quote from Uladh:
QuoteYou can dress harte's intrangience up as much as you like but he certainly knew the rules and chose to ignore them.
Quote from Bogball XV:
QuoteCan ye Tyronies not have dissenting opinions? I find it hard to believe that none of ye are capable of independent thought on this subject, c'mon, at least one of you can admit that Harte has been a w**ker about this??
Quote from Mickey Harte:
Quote"It's not a question of being awkward - it's simply a matter of doing the best I can for the county I manage."
If being intransigent or being a "w**ker" is what it takes to do what's best for Tyrone then as a "Tyronie" that's good enough for me.
I think we could all take a good luck at ourselves when this all finished. Mickey Harte dosent play friendlies, and this is good for his counites clubs, and the demands on his players, the Mc kenna cup sets him up for the league and championship, for years he was the only one who valued it and took its seriously. This eventually made the competition flourish and then the universities wanted a part of it. Alas now it seems etc it looks like you are attempting to force him and Tyrone and us the fans out of mc kenna Cup football. in a months time as Gaelic Life would put it even the Mc kennas wouldnt be going....
i think you are re-writing history there a bit with the Micky saved the Mc Kenna cup. the new formate and hard work at Ulster COuncil level saved the competition, not Mickey. Him not playing friendlies is his own concern, does that mean he realises all county players to play in all their clubs games?
QuoteHarte has came out and said that it is the players choice, but if you were a borderline county player would you take the chance and tog out for the Poly even though reading between the lines Harte wants you on the County Panel. No contest.
Exactly - they had no choice!!!
ps he held 4 players back!
I'm sure there are 4 vary capable club players in Tyrone club football that could have been looked at. Your very own Rocky O'Neill for one Mac E.
I wouldn't worry about any punishment for Tyrone. A certain former Tyrone player won't be too long picking holes in the rules and getting Tyrone off scot free. You don't need to abide by the rules when you have someone in your corner who seems to be spending alot of his time looking for technical loopholes!
QuoteSo Mickey would play ringers in an U-21 match -never mind the rules state that it's an U-21 Competition.
If the rules don't state that University Players are inelligible to play for their respective counties then no rule has been broken. End off!!
It'll be interesting to see what the Council's next move will be. If they deduct Tyrone 2 points (my prediction - they'll not run the risk of being labelled as 'soft') I'd say Mickey will reiterate his position but accept it. You'll see a change to the regulations next year.
QuoteI wouldn't worry about any punishment for Tyrone. A certain former Tyrone player won't be too long picking holes in the rules and getting Tyrone off scot free. You don't need to abide by the rules when you have someone in your corner who seems to be spending alot of his time looking for technical loopholes!
Ach shure don't we all know it. Tyrone wid never hav wun nathin but fer lukin fer technicalities. Our Man Fergal is at this minute lukin fer a technicality which will bring Sam to Tyrone without a ball bein kicked!
Excuse me Uladh for offering an opinion but I do know about Sigerson football and if offered achoice -i'd still pick my county. The reality is county football is the pinnacle for any player (ie it is the highest level you can play at) that is why the All Ireland inter county championship is played at the height of summer and Sigerson football is played in the mud of February.
Sigerson is a great competition in its own right- you get to play with your best friends etc and it can improve a player . BUt it is very much behind county football in terms of importance and in a county as competitive as Tyrone you might only get one chance. There iis no necessity for universities to be involved in county competitions and I haven't seen one argument to convince me that their inclusion is for the benefit of everyone.
Josey, you are not comparing like for like. its not a straight choice between playing for uni or county. its a choice of playing for the uni inthe 6 weeks running into sigerson or for your county in what, for them, is a meaningless competition where there is nothing to be gained.
I hear that the Council have declined to make a decision. Instead they'll hear what Tyrone have to say first.
QuoteI hear that the Council have declined to make a decision. Instead they'll hear what Tyrone have to say first.
Typical spineless shower. The should be making a call on this rather than reacting to whatever Harte says. Some type of punishment is due, in whatever form it may take.
Is the Cavan/Tyrone game off at the minute? Is there a chance that the game may not go ahead since the teams will not have received seven days notice of the game? Just a thought.
Cavan should refuse to play and claim the points, as should Derry for last Sunday ;D
Typical Spineless shower?
So what is your reasoning for this, are you fimiliar with the works of the Ulster Council.
QuoteTypical Spineless shower?
So what is your reasoning for this, are you fimiliar with the works of the Ulster Council.
My reasoning for calling them a spineless shower. Is it not obvious. The should be making a ruling based on the facts - not waiting to see what Tyrone have to say. Surely they have heard enough coming out of the Tyrone camp in relation to this and I can't see them saying any different. Spineless because the wont make the call but will end up bending the knee to Tyrone. If this was they way there were going to conduct the investigation this should have been made clear from the start.
I think Tyrone are completely in the wrong, but they still deserve a chance to present their arguments offically as opposed to media snippets.
Don't deny this but as I stated the process should have been laid out at the start.
I think this is the Ulster council's playing their get out card. They know there is nothing they can do regarding this matter. All college players were given the choice, some opted to play for the county some not. The Ulster council should apologise for disrupting Tyrone's preperation's for this weekend's game and we can all let the matter rest. ;)
From the Indo and possibly McGee:
Whether the presence of third level college teams in pre-season inter-county competitions improves anything is altogether a different matter.
It certainly hasn't done anything to please Tyrone manager, Mickey Harte who walked up the confrontation blank by playing four colleges players in last Sunday's Dr McKenna Cup clash with Derry.
"Bold boy," retorted the Ulster Council who had earlier ruled that colleges would have first call on their players in the McKenna Cup.
Not fair, argues Harte. Tyrone don't play challenge games so how can he judge whether players are up to county standard if he can't use them in McKenna Cup games? Besides, last Sunday's double-booked quartet opted to play for Tyrone rather than their colleges.
Harte insists that he put them under no pressure, although, in fairness to them, a call to county arms is an instruction in itself. After all, if you don't answer, you might not get a second one.
The Ulster Council can rightly contend that Tyrone signed up to the original deal and shouldn't attempt to amend it in mid-competition. Yes, but did Harte sign up? His sole responsibility is to prepare the Tyrone squad to the best of his ability - hence his desire to look at some fringe players this month.
My sympathies are with Harte on this one. Ultimately, he will be judged by how Tyrone fare this year, not by how accommodating he was to colleges. Winning the Sigerson Cup is the sole aim of third level colleges in all four provinces.
To that end, they are keen to boost their preparations by playing against inter-county teams in January. And what's in it for the counties? Absolutely nothing.
In fact, during his period as Galway manager, John O'Mahony withdrew the team from the FBD Connacht League on the basis that it was a pointless exercise when so many of his players were tied up with college teams.
Problems have also arisen in the O'Byrne Cup this year with Dundalk IT withdrawing from the competition altogether while DCU backed out of a Shield game last Sunday.
Of course if college teams want games in January, there is a solution. Why not alter the format of the Sigerson Cup so that teams are guaranteed more than one game? What would be regarded as far more conservative elements within the GAA have dropped the straight knock-out championship system at county level, yet the colleges insist on retaining the one-chance format in Sigerson.
Running
If the competitions were running now as part of the official GAA schedule (either in round robin or 'back door' format), county managers would have to accept that college players were unavailable for pre-season competitions.
However, that's not the case so why should counties have to facilitate colleges in what is purely preparatory work for Sigerson?
It's as simple as this: college and inter-county competitions should not be combined. And guess what? This year's experiences almost certainly means that it won't happen again - not in all provinces anyway.
Tyrone charged over students saga
The Ulster Council has charged Tyrone with a breach of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup rules but Saturday's match against Cavan will go ahead. Initially, the Ulster Council opted on Tuesday evening to defer the game but this decision was later changed.
This followed an undertaking from Tyrone that the university players at the centre of the controversy would not be played in Saturday's game. However, the Tyrone county board will contest the Ulster Council charge.
The Ulster Council competition controls committee took the decision to charge Tyrone at specially convened meeting.
Competition rules state that colleges have first call on players.
It is not clear when the hearing to decide Tyrone's fate will take place.
Tyrone made it two wins from two outings in the McKenna Cup last Sunday when they defeated Derry but their attempt to retain the title has been placed in jeopardy by the ongoing Ulster Council probe.
Manager Mickey Harte has been on a collision course with the council since it emerged that a number of students had joined his squad, in spite of the council directive.
On Sunday at Healy Park he handed starting slots to the four players concerned, UUJ trio Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul, and Cathal McCarron of St Mary's.
Harte remained defiant over his decision to include the students, claiming they had made their own decisions to opt for the county squad.
One possible outcome is that the defending champions will be docked points for their controversial stance.
Tyrone will meet Cavan in the final and decisive Group B tie under lights at Breffni Park, with the winners set to go through to the semi-finals, although the section's outcome has now been thrown into doubt.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6269963.stm
Well that suggest that they will defeintely not be thrown out of the competition. I imagine they will have two points deducted but with a good scoring average would they still qualify? (This is presuming they beat Cavan.)
By the way the tight auld feckers wouldnt let the same lad in with crutches in this week without paying. when informed by someone in my company for the crack that I had been let in last week for nothing the gateman replied that I should go see the man that let me in last week. The days of the Grab all association look to have returned. :D
Good stuff....
a game against a superpower like Tyrone is what this young Cavan team needs anyway....
Much more important than reaching the semi finals.
Cavans going well this year, but if Tyrone beat ye will ye check that we dont have an average younger age...
Quote from: realredhandfan on January 17, 2007, 01:45:29 PM
Cavans going well this year, but if Tyrone beat ye will ye check that we dont have an average younger age...
Eh? ???
What's the likelihood of the Ulster Council waiting until after the Cavan game and if Tyrone win it, then deciding to dock them 2 points? Can't go too hard on us since Mickey has to take most of the credit for making it a worthwhile competiton now. ;)
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 17, 2007, 07:25:03 PM
Can't go too hard on us since Mickey has to take most of the credit for making it a worthwhile competiton now. ;)
Are you fishing?
I think that if Tyrone are to be punished then it should be handed out before the Cavan match.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 17, 2007, 10:58:49 PM
I think that if Tyrone are to be punished then it should be handed out before the Cavan match.
Perhaps the powers that be in Ulster are hoping Cavan beat them and Tyrone aren't best runners up so they don't qualify anyway. ::)
Regardless, we'll beat them anyway Gaoth Dobhair ;)
The following video report from The Irish News gives some insight into Mickey Harte's thinking over the current saga.... Oh and some information on Brandy dog food...
http://www.irishnews.com/intv/sport11.html
Quote from: MrC on January 18, 2007, 12:18:47 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 17, 2007, 10:58:49 PM
I think that if Tyrone are to be punished then it should be handed out before the Cavan match.
Perhaps the powers that be in Ulster are hoping Cavan beat them and Tyrone aren't best runners up so they don't qualify anyway. ::)
Regardless, we'll beat them anyway Gaoth Dobhair ;)
So you reckon Micky Harte did it on purpose to get disciplined and then avoid having to be humiliated by Donegal in the final MrC? :o ;D ;)
Tyrone play the waiting game
18 January 2007
Tyrone County Board are to wait on official notification from the Ulster Council before they take any action over the row about the fielding of illegal players in the McKenna Cup.
"We won't be doing anything about it until we get information from the Ulster Council and I don't think we will be getting that until Friday," said Tyrone secretary Dominic McCaughey. "We'll have to wait and see what they say. We've had nothing in writing yet."
Significantly the Tyrone official claimed there are no penalties in place to deal with the breach in the rules which Tyrone have been cited for.
"There is a need to draft regulations that everyone is happy with and to include penalties if there are breaches. The regulations are there at the moment but there are no penalties associated with them," added McCaughey.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=71355
So we have broken (or infracted) the regulations but there's nothing you can do about it. (except meet, realise this, ask for a meeting with the parties concerned so as to be seen to be doing something, ask for the players concerned not to play in the next match which is handy so that they can then play with the U21's, meet with the parties concerned and assure everyone they have been given a severe warning, make sure this is done after team is out of or won competition, rewrite the regulations and penalties for next year.)
Jody Gormley has named his Antrim side to face UUJ in the last group game of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup.
1. Sean McGreevy
2. Conor McGoldrick
3. Colin Brady
4. Niall Ward
5. Chris Lynch
6. Gavin Bell
7. Sean McVeigh
8. Joe Quinn
9. Aodhan Gallagher
10. Tony Scullion
11. Kevin Brady
12. Hugh McKay
13. Ciaran Close (Capt.)
14. Michael McCann
15. Micheal Magill
Four Antrim players make their first starts of the competition – Conor McGoldrick comes in at corner back, and Tony Scullion, Hugh McKay and Michael Magill are all introduced into a re-arranged forward line.
The game against the students of UUJ takes place in Casement park on Sunday 21st January with a 2:00pm throw-in.
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=344
I fancy Tyrone to beat Cavan get docked 2 points and then go through on scoring difference or Cavan to beat Tyrone - they go through and Tyrone get docked 2 points. its a tough one.
realredhandfan....how did it take you to think of that outcome :o :o :o ::)
about 10 hours.
go on max, stick up yer fave picture
you know you want to and are itching to get a chance....
:D
Anyone got the starting 15 for Monaghan or Armagh for Sunday?
Does anyone know if the tyrone-cavan match is on the net anywhere - i've tried Northern Sound and Highland but there doesn't seem to be any coverage
trying to find it on the net myself- this is a joke no coverage of the game at all. surely tg4 could have shown this game...
http://northernsound.ie/listen.php
there you go guys commentary isnt great but hey beggers cant be choosers
Tyrone winning by 3 after 10 minutes
eh had to work big lad
Aye,
When ryanair start flying into Cavan from Manchester then I'll be there - I leave the brownie points for the National league
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 20, 2007, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on January 20, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
trying to find it on the net myself- this is a joke no coverage of the game at all. surely tg4 could have shown this game...
Lads the game is Live in Breffni Park. Its only £7 in. You call yourselves fans, but you dont go to the games? FFS
Refuse to go until the programmes are better 5ive times ;D
could one of the listeners post a halftime score please
6-3 to Tyrone half time.
Still 8-6 to Tyrone. Ricey point - correction
Will update this after every score. Is that ok Uselessfootballer?
Tyrone lead 0-7 to 0-5 into the 2nd half
Aidan McCarron 0-2, Paul Rouse 0-1 and Cavanagh 0-1 with some of the scores
Davy Harte, Colm Colhoun, Calvo, John Devine, NIall Gormley amongst those playing.
6-3 to Tyrone half time.
12-6 to Tyrone. Paul Rouse (0-5)
Tyrone defender gets the ball and "there's noone within an asses roar" near him. What a commentator?
Will update this after every score. Is that ok Uselessfootballer?
NeverKickedaBalll, please post details of a win by Cavan.
Reporter has just said 'free to be taken from 20 yards out, or 20 metres if you prefer.'
Which is it then?
Jesus this commentary is hard to listen to, marty morrisey, all is forgiven :D
cheers NCAB, I've just got the link to work to the radio, from the sound of them big Rouse is having a good game
The other 'Kevin Hughes' has just come on?
Aye? Kelvin Hughes maybe!
Quote from: Elias on January 20, 2007, 07:49:57 PM
Jesus this commentary is hard to listen to, marty morrisey, all is forgiven :D
Yes and he can't read the difference between Kevin and Kevlin.
Don't be too harsh on him lads, he's obviously a lot of miles on the clock!
Quote from: Orior on January 20, 2007, 07:47:51 PM
NeverKickedaBalll, please post details of a win by Cavan.
Commentator says; "Tyrone are going to win this game and there's no doubt in this wide world" His words not mine.
Quote from: Elias on January 20, 2007, 07:59:05 PM
Don't be too harsh on him lads, he's obviously a lot of miles on the clock!
True enough Elias. He knows his stuff too. He's mentioned some names from the past. Cavan are playing "like the hammers of hell" Brilliant. Only 4 points in it!
All over....Red Hands win by 0-14 to 0-10.
Don't think Tyrone have ever lost under lights :D
Yeah like this gem "The first Ulster final was in Lisburn, How times have changed!!"
All over, Cavan had a late rally, but Tyrone had too much in the bag to let it slip 0-14 - 0 - 10 I think
Quote from: Elias on January 20, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
Yeah like this gem "The first Ulster final was in Lisburn, How times have changed!!"
All over, Cavan had a late rally, but Tyrone had too much in the bag to let it slip 0-14 - 0 - 10 I think
"Thanks be to God and his mother Mary no one has been injured" No rough stuff apart from the odd "nip and tuck".
Micheal O'Reilly -
A Legend
And the Ulster Council now have the perfect out from the Uni row, they can take 2pts from Tyrone and nothing changes, maybe a wee press release late on Tuesday night or so
Don't know if its been posted already, but the Donegal V Down game has been moved from McCumhaill Park to Ballyshannon.
http://www.sportsmanager.ie/t2.php?county_id=9&sport_id=1&countyid=9&sportid=1&newsstory=1&ID=798
Cavan 0-10 0-14 Tyrone
Holders Tyrone sealed their place in the semi-finals of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup with a victory under the Breffni Park floodlights on Saturday. Tyrone built up a four-point lead in the opening 10 minutes, with Sean Cavanagh, Aidan McCarron, Christy Colhoun and Kelvin Hughes on target. It was 0-6 to 0-3 at the break, but Gerald Pierson's accuracy from placed balls helped close the gap to a point. However, Mickey Harte's men reasserted themselves to win by four.
Ryan McMenamin and Dermot Carlin gave the Red Hands a dynamic attacking impetus from the back and they cut loose.
Paul Rouse nailed on three points, Cavanagh hit a gem, and McMenamin also got in on the act with a cheeky effort as Tyrone went six clear with 10 minutes to play. Cavan did produce a late flourish, but there was never any doubt about the outcome.
Tyrone have won all three of the group games but their survival in the competition now rests with Ulster Council chiefs.
They have charged Tyrone with breaching competition rules by playing four student players against Derry.
The regulations state that college sides have first call on the students.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6281055.stm
Tyrone too strong for Cavan
Saturday, January 20
Tyrone 0-14 Cavan 0-10
Despite their off-field troubles, Tyrone marched to a four-point win over Cavan at Breffni Park on Saturday night despite poor weather conditions and a determined performance from their hosts. Cavan had hoped to catch the O'Neills on the hop and with former Fermanagh player Rory Gallagher getting his first start for his adopted county, felt confident of causing their guests some worries.
That they did, though Gallagher was largely anonymous and was replaced at half time, and while Tyrone moved steadily into a 0-4 to no score lead by the quarter-hour mark, Gerard Pierson played a key role in bringing Cavan back into the contest.
At the break, Tyrone led 0-6 to 0-3, but Pierson kicked two more points by the 39th minute to leave the minimum between the sides.
But Tyrone showed their class, digging deep and using possession effectively to go on another scoring spree, with Sean Cavanagh, Ryan McMenamin, Paul Roose and Ryan Melon amongst the scorers.
As full time loomed, Tyrone led 0-14 to 0-6, but a late surge by Cavan into injury time managed to put a warmer gloss on the scoreline.
http://www.gaa.ie/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=17232
Tyrone started off well in the Dr. McKenna Cup last year, but when it came to the summer, things went downhill. Yes, things are looking positive now, but I'm not going to get myself overly excited yet.
Sludden who's the player at your club, looking for a place on Tyrone, who could mark Kieran Donaghy ? - The one fan spake is referring to in Gaelic Life?
Another good showing from another new look Tyrone side in testing conditions at Breffni Park last night. Cavan were certainly up for this contest but they made far too many mistakes and were not near as clinical as Tyrone in the forward department. I made the point near the end of the game that Cavan looked a bit sluggish and appeared to lack a certain amount of fitness. A Cavan man beside me agreed but said that his county had been training up to four times a week!!! Either way, the Tyrone players were much sharper and looked in great shape for the time of year.
It was a strange type of contest. Tyrone, despite winning very little clean possession at centrefield, led 0-6 to 0-1 midway through the first half. The Red Hands kicked some super scores from play while Cavan were very wasteful at the other end. Tyrone then went out of the game coming up to half-time and took a while to get going in the second half. Cavan took full advantage and, with the help of some close-in frees, hauled themselves back into contention and looked as if they could overtake Tyrone in the early stages of the second half. Cavan came very close to drawing level at this stage but, in typical fashion, Tyrone went on a scoring spree which killed the game off with still ten minutes left to play. Mickey Harte's men kicked seven points in succession to lead 0-14 to 0-6 and it was only a late burst from Cavan which helped put a better gloss on the final scoreline.
The Tyrone management will feel satisfied with this latest outing. On a very heavy and slippery pitch, several of the new Tyrone players once again showed up very well. Full forward Paul Rouse was my Man of the Match and should certainly have guaranteed himself a place in the squad for the NFL. He was outstanding from start to finish, won just about everything that came his way and kicked a number of superb points from play. It is early days yet but big Rouse could be a great asset to Tyrone this year. Unfortunately, in what was generally a clean game, Cavan 'hard man' Nicholas Walsh came off the bench in the second half to take one of the Tyrone players out of it late in the match. Mickey Harte was furious and, in a rare show of emotion, came onto the field to let the referee know what he thought of the tackle. Walsh of course was responsible for splitting Peter Donnelly's nose off the ball in the opening McKenna Cup match at Breffni Park last year and was determined to do more harm against Tyrone last night. He also went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees late in the game as well. Walsh is of course a dreadfully poor footballer and it would appear that this is the only way he can make a name for himself.
Tyrone Player Ratings
John Devine...Safe and secure all through. Made one excellent save in the second half. 7.5
Ryan McMenamin...A couple of stray passes in the first half but rose to the challenge well after the break. 7.5
Ciaran McCrory...Started off OK at full back but then struggled with Dermot McCabe's physicality. Was shown a yellow card midway through the first half and was replaced by Cormac McGinley just before half-time. 6
Paul McGurk...Struggled again. Seemed content to let his man get out to the ball first and was troubled by Larry Reilly's pace. Was replaced by Dermot Carlin just before half-time. 5
Davy Harte...Defensively sound but did not get forward as much as he normally does. 7
Paul Quinn...Did not quite succeed in transferring his excellent club form onto the county scene. Worked hard but did not always inspire a great deal of confidence. 6
Martin Penrose...Played well again in his new role at half back. His marking was a lot tighter this time and he swept up a lot of loose possession close to his own goal. 7.5
Kelvin Hughes...Scored a fine point early in the game but didn't do anything else that was really eye-catching. His lack of physical presence saw him struggle at centrefield and was replaced in the second half. 6
Sean Cavanagh...Not just as influential as he was in the previous two outings but still quietly effective. 7
Declan Treanor...Worked really hard and helped win a lot of possession for his side. An aggressive performance from the Clarkes man but did not always use possession wisely. 7
Gerard Cavlan...Terrific in the first half. His fielding and distribution was a major highlight. However, he seemed to tire considerably after the break and faded out of the game somewhat. 7.5
Aidan McCarron...Kicked a tremendous point in Tyrone's early surge but did not feature all that much afterwards. The half-forward role may not have suited him and he was another player to be replaced in the second half. 6
Niall Gormley...Another livewire display from the diminutive Trillick attacker. Was first to the ball every time and roasted his marker with his turn of speed. He deserved to score more. 8
Paul Rouse...Tyrone's most threatening forward and best player on the night. Won almost every ball that came his way and used possession to great effect. A star in the making? 9
Christy Colhoun...Scorer of a great point from play in the first half and began the game well. He did not see a great deal of action after the break. 7
Cormac McGinley...Came on at full back just before half-time and proved more than a match for McCabe. 7.5
Dermot Carlin...Also entered the fray just before the break and helped steady Tyrone's defensive ship. 7
Colm Donnelly...Came on with about twenty minutes to go and showed a couple of good touches. 6.5
Ryan Mellon...Came on midway through the second half, kicked a neat point and steadied the midfield. 7
Kevin Hughes...Not on long enough to be rated!
Redhandfan - So your not a big fan of Nicholas Walsh then?? There was a time of course when Tyrone were the dirtiest thugs in Ulster but many of your fans now suffer from selective amnesia. Anyway, I agree that Walsh goes to far in the physical side of things but he does have some ability and I think it is unfair to say he is "dreadfully poor". He has represented his country also and was good enough for Aussie rules people to bring him to Australia for trials.
Surely also, the angelic, Mickey Harte should not be infringing on the pitch no matter what the cause. Imagine if our manager Donal Keoghan (he of the multiple assault charges) went on to remonstrate with Mickey - it could have got ugly. Then Mickey is a law onto himself these days!
Any match updates at half-time?
Thanks for your report RHF.
Armagh 0-4 Monaghan 0-4 half-time
Donegal 2-5 Down 0-5
The only player acting like a tr**p in Breffini last night was Ryan McMenamin...... but thats nothing new there right?
as myles said
Nicko has represented and captained his country...Have you?
Quotewent down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees
What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!??? :o ::)
Dorty!!
Why is the BBC Website not giving latest scores on the matches today?
Also any idea why Down Donegal isn't on TG4?
QuoteWhat sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!???
Eoghain Bradley.
Quote from: Stranworst on January 21, 2007, 03:15:16 PM
Why is the BBC Website not giving latest scores on the matches today?
They are always poor in giving the latest results
Anyone know the latest from UUJ/Antrim?
RESULT
Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6
Donegal 2-11 Down 2-5
does that mean Tyrone play Monaghan next??
Any word from how the universities are faring this afternoon?
Quotedoes that mean Tyrone play Monaghan next??
Not jumping the gun a wee bit, sam?
Yes, by my early reckoning, the semi-final line-up should be:
Donegal (section C winners) v Armagh (section A winners)
Tyrone (section B winners) v Monaghan (4th placed team)
Even if the Ulster Council stupidly decide to illegally deduct two points from Tyrone, the Red Hands would still top section B ahead of Cavan by virtue of superior score difference.
The big question this week will surround the date of Tyrone's semi-final clash. It would be a bit unfair to say the least if the game was to go ahead next Sunday, as Mickey Harte and several of the Tyrone All-Stars would still be making their way home from the trip to Dubai.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 21, 2007, 02:55:48 PM
Quotewent down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees
What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!??? :o ::)
Dorty!!
I will get Tyrone's number one female supporter to answer that one. She will be having a quiet word in your ear this week anyway!!!!
QuoteEven if the Ulster Council stupidly decide to illegally deduct two points from Tyrone, the Red Hands would still top section B ahead of Cavan by virtue of superior score difference.
Who says thats all they are going to do?
Quotewent down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees
What sort of a thug would go down on a fellow player with his kness!!???
Dorty!!
I will get Tyrone's number one female supporter to answer that one. She will be having a quiet word in your ear this week anyway!!!!
Mystic Meg probably thought that 'going down' meant a trip to Dublin.
Just heard Queens beat by three
Jordanstown won by 6 points...
QuoteHe also went down on Sean Cavanagh with his knees late in the game as well.
Wonder were he might have learned that one?
Went to Tempo this afternoon to watch Fermanagh and St Mary's. Found the game entertaining and guess what? The programme contained the Clubs of each player. Did other venues have the same? Fermanagh's were in irish while the students were in English. Must say I was impressed by the venue. Given the complaints about Irvinestown two weeks ago I'd say this was a big step up, although I'd say the dry weather helped. Nevertheless well done Tiompiu and the stewards. To cap it all both Ryan Keenan and Damien Kelly got themselves on the scoresheet. Match was a draw BTY. 1-7 to 0-10.
Does UUJ not go through ahead of Monaghan?
Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6
Monaghan 2-16 St Marys 0-11
Fermanagh 0-5 Monaghan 1-10
4 points and scoring diff of 16
UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-6
Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4
4 points and diff of 17.
Or are my maths screwed?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 07:08:49 PM
Does UUJ not go through ahead of Monaghan?
Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6
Monaghan 2-16 St Marys 0-11
Fermanagh 0-5 Monaghan 1-10
4 points and scoring diff of 16
UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-6
Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4
4 points and diff of 17.
Or are my maths screwed?
UTV said UUJ went through Norf but BBC states Monaghan. You might be right. UUJ against Tyrone! Wouldn't that be interesting :-*
BBCi says Monaghan is through ahead of UUJ, but BBC WAP says UUJ is through.
Well if BBC state Monaghan that means it's definately UUJ.
That would be very interesting then...............
What I meant was Norf. One side of the BBC is saying Monaghan and the other side is of the BBC is saying UUJ.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 07:26:17 PM
Well if BBC state Monaghan that means it's definately UUJ.
That would be very interesting then...............
Given their recent agreement Tyrone and the Ulster Council could probably come up with something for this match if it materialises. As Boggs et al will be on both team sheets maybe they could agree that Tyrone have them first half and the Poly could have them second half ... or vice versa. 8)
QuoteMcKenna Cup semi-final Tyrone v UUJ under lights at Omagh on Wednesday 7th February at 7.30pm
From the ever-reliabale Hoganstand.com
Doesn't the semi-final grounds have to be neutral?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 21, 2007, 07:33:30 PM
QuoteMcKenna Cup semi-final Tyrone v UUJ under lights at Omagh on Wednesday 7th February at 7.30pm
From the ever-reliabale Hoganstand.com
I think the other semi-final is there too next Sunday
You must be in the know, Border Fox!
Seemingly the Ulster council boyos announced UUJ v Tyrone, and only realised their mistake afterwards.
Unconfirmed - Monaghan v Tyrone is in Breffni Park, 13th February at 7:30pm - Unconfirmed
Quote from: Border Fox on January 21, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
Seemingly the Ulster council boyos announced UUJ v Tyrone, and only realised their mistake afterwards.
Unconfirmed - Monaghan v Tyrone is in Breffni Park, 13th February at 7:30pm - Unconfirmed
So what was the mistake? Are the poly not allowed to play in the semi?
In Breffni? Is that Tyrone's punishment from the Ulster Council? Dragging us all the way to that bog?
RTE gave it as Tyrone v UUJ ???
This is embarassing. No-one seems to know who is through to the semi's. Ulster website has nothing on it either, except for the fact that Tyrone beat Derry.
Nicholas Walsh useless, Breffni a bog. Whats wrong with you whinging Tyrone fu*kers. I never thought I'd say this about another Ulster team, but I reckon i'd like to see you well beaten by anyone this year and wipe the smugness out of ye. Jesus, some of you would swear ye were some sort of GAA giant with yer 2 all-irelands and handfull of Ulsters. You should be thanking your lucky stars for the privelage of playing Ulsters oldest and most historic county ground.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 21, 2007, 10:16:43 PM
Nicholas Walsh useless, Breffni a bog. Whats wrong with you whinging Tyrone fu*kers. I never thought I'd say this about another Ulster team, but I reckon i'd like to see you well beaten by anyone this year and wipe the smugness out of ye. Jesus, some of you would swear ye were some sort of GAA giant with yer 2 all-irelands and handfull of Ulsters. You should be thanking your lucky stars for the privelage of playing Ulsters oldest and most historic county ground.
Nothing wrong with Breffini Myles. I'm quite impressed by it. It seems a good ground. It would appear Nicholas Walsh has some history with Tyrone supporters after his spat with Sean Cavanagh in the drawn Ulster Championship game in 2005. I'd travel happily to a match in Breffini anytime and will do in the future, however, for the McKenna Cup I would prefer a venue closer.
what was the correct score from the Antrim UUJ match. after the game in clones the ulster Pro informed me the score was 14 pts to 1-08 thus leaving monaghan with a 2 point better scoring difference. But even at that they f**ked up their calaulations and gave the pairings as Armagh Donegal and Tyrone UUJ. The monaghan set-up all left clones thinking they where out of the competition and a text message was sent to all players at abt 8'o clock last night to inform them otherwise.
From todyas Indo:
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Armagh prove too strong for Monaghan
Monday January 22nd 2007
Armagh 0-9
Monaghan 0-6
McKenna Cup
DESPITE fielding a largely experimental side Armagh still proved too strong for Monaghan in a keenly contested clash in Clones.
However, Monaghan still qualify as the best runner up, edging UUJ out by a fraction of a point on scoring averages. They now meet Tyrone.
This game was in the balance up until the final quarter at which stage the more experienced among the Armagh lineout took control with Steven McDonnell rattling over three unanswered points in the final eight minutes.
The sides were level at 0-4 apiece at half time and they were level five times in all although both had numerous chances to take a stronger grip with goal chances squandered at both ends.
In the end though it was the physically stronger Armagh who finished the better to book a semi-final place, coming form two points down after eleven minutes of the second half to win by three.
SCORERS - Armagh: S McDonnell 0-3 (2f), S Toner, P Toal (1f) 0-2 each, K Toner, JP Donnelly 0-1 each. Monaghan: T Freeman 0-2 (1f), P Finlay 0-2 (2f), D Freeman, R Woods 0-1 each.
ARMAGH - C McKinney; G McCreesh, E McNulty, P McCreesh; JP Donnelly, T McClelland, P Duffy; G Swift, K Toner; P Toal, M O'Rourke, K O'Rourke; S McDonnell, S Forker, N McSherry. Subs: A Mallon for P Duffy, S Toner for M O'Rourke, J O'Neill for N McSherry.
MONAGHAN - S Duffy; D Morgan, J Coyle, M Duffy; D Mone, J Hughes, S Fitzpatrick; P Finlay, V Corey; D McArdle, D Freeman, M Daly; T Freeman, R Woods, S Gollogly. Subs: G McEneaney for Duffy, JP Mone for Hughes, B McKenna for Daly, N Corrigan for Gollogly, E Duffy for McArdle.
REF - M Sludden (Tyrone).
Impressive UUJ sink Antrim UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8
UUJ rattled off a comprehensive victory over Antrim at Casement Park yesterday to give themselves great boost ahead of the Sigerson Cup next month.
SCORERS - UUJ: P Cunningham 0-5 (4f), P Doherty 1-1, M Lynch 0-3 (1f), K Dyas 0-2, J Boyle, P Forker, C Conlon 0-1 each. Antrim: C Lynch 0-3 (1f), K Brady 1-0, P Logan 0-2 (2f), C Close 0-2 (2f), M McCann 0-1 (f).
UUJ - M McAlister; P Mooney, J Conlon, R Murray; K Dyas, P Donnelly, D Hughes; J Bradley, J Colgan; M Herron, J Boyle, P Doherty; P Cunningham, P Downey, M Lynch. Subs: C Conlon for Downey (48), C Farrell for Boyle (54), P Forker, for Cunningham (62), D Lavery for Herron (62), E McConville for Hughes (69).
ANTRIM - S McGreevey; C McGoldrick, S McVeigh, N Walsh; C Lynch, G Bell, D Gault; J Quinn, A Gallagher; T Scullion, K Brady, H McKay; C Close, M McCann, M Magill. Subs: L Higgins for Gault (20), P Logan for McKay (ht), O McAteer for Quinn (42), G Galway for Gallagher (60), P Close for Magill (65)
REF - B Toland (Derry).
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Interesting observation Redhandfan on the cavan match. I think you are a litle kind to walsh though, I'd love to see Big Sean stretch him. Theres only so much a man could take. Seans termperament is probably the best in Ireland. I heard D Harte was stretchered off?
"His lack of physical presence saw him struggle at centrefield and was replaced in the second half. 6"
The one think Kelvin lacks is a lack of a lack of physical presence. :)
From a supporters point of view its great to hear your high rating for Mellon, I think he has been struggling for form for over a year now and will be under pressure to retain a squad number. Id like to see some consistency return.
Who marked the big cavan midfielder Mc cabe, Hughes or Cavanagh. I see he was eventually switched to full forward. Im disappointed to hear a poor rating for Quinn, I have high hopes for him this year, but like everybody he'll need a few decent chances.
I didnt know sludden is now refereeing inter county. Thank god he's from our county as I wouldnt want him refereeing a game Tyrone were involved in.
Armagh 0-9 Monaghan 0-6 6/9 = 0.6667
Monaghan 2-16 St Marys 0-11 22/11 = 2
Fermanagh 0-5 Monaghan 1-10 13/5 = 2.6
Total scoring Average = 5.266
UUJ 1-14 Antrim 1-8 17/11 =1.5454
UUJ 1-19 Down 1-6 22/9 = 2.4444
Donegal 1-6 UUJ 1-4 7/9 = 0.7777
Total scoring Average = 4.7675
It said on the radio this morning that tyrone were playing donegal in the semi final of the Mc kenna cup.Is that right?
QuoteI didnt know sludden is now refereeing inter county. Thank god he's from our county as I wouldnt want him refereeing a game Tyrone were involved in.
He was a disaster yesterday, I'm not saying he was at fault for our defeat we only have ourselfs to blame for that taking too much out of the ball, failure to take our scores and being uncompetive in mid-field was the problem
Yesterdays program had winner group A (Armagh) vrs winner group C (Donegal), Winner Group B (Tyrone) vrs 4th place team (Monaghan)
From wrong calculation of scoring differences to dragging supporters to Breffni on a Tuesday evening to failing to deal with Mickey Harte's condescending atttitude - conclusion: Ulster Council is a joke
QuoteI will get Tyrone's number one female supporter to answer that one. She will be having a quiet word in your ear this week anyway!!!!
You must think I'm mad...we can't talk about football at all, I'm allowed to ask who did well for yas today?...thats it! ;D
I'll maybe travel with ya for the semi's!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 21, 2007, 09:37:28 PM
In Breffni? Is that Tyrone's punishment from the Ulster Council? Dragging us all the way to that bog?
Some people have fairly come up in the world since 2003 alright... ::)
A very promising performance by a mixture of new and old in the green and gold yesterday at a windless Park in Ballyshannon.There were county debuts for Paddy mc Conagely and Brendan Mc Dyre.The game also saw season starts for Ciaran Bonner,Michael Hegarty,Tommy Donoghue,brendan Devenney and Adrian Sweeney.The first half display was sharp and incisive with some fine points by Dev and thompson.indeed the game could have been out of sight for Down had Donegal taken more than their two goal chances.The off the ball running and quick early ball into our FF line tore the Down defence ragged at times.
Dev had one of those early season stormers that in previous years has flattered to deceive and along with Hegarty kicked some accuirate passes throughout.We led by 6 points at half time.Typically,a Donegal charachteristic of taking the foot off the pedal appeared for the first 20 minutes of the second half allowing Down to come within two points of us.This was thru the free taking of Barry Doran at roughly the same position and distance (40m) every time.It seemed that every time a Down lad fell to earth in that area of the field a free was rewarded.some of the frees were fairly soft and slightly soured the ref Derry's Aidan Mc Alynn's performace in the eyes of the Donegal support.Speaking of support there were maybe a dozen Mourne people all told.
Full marks to Aodh Ruadh ground staff for getting the pitch playable and hopefully by the time the Dubs arrive in the league they'll have sorted out how to work the tape machine for the national anthem.
Positives were the early ball into a dynamic FF line,Devenney's display and Michael Hegarty's passing
Negatives Not putting the nail in the Down coffin after half time
Michael Boyle 7.0 Good accurate kick outs although conceded one point when ball popped over from his outstretched hands.
Barry Dunnion 7.0 Had it tough man marking a speedy corner forward and is much more at home on the wing.Kept at it and intercepted on numerous occasions.
Paddy Campbell 6.0 Poor game and suffered early knock that did'nt help.Only caight one clean ball against a big awkward FF and failed to get out in front.
Paddy Mc Conagely 6.5 Shaky enough start but became more confident as game progressed.Guilty of overcarrying at times but made a couple of forays in second half.
Tommy Donoghue 7.0 Solid and did the covering back well with lots of possession
Barry Monaghan 7.5 Started at centre half before switching to midfield at half time.Actually played better in midfield whilst Cass switched back.is exceptionally strong in breaking the tackle and showed his experience.
Frank Mc Glynn 7.5 We have a surfeit of excellent half backs and the Glenfin man was the pick of the defense.
Kevin Cassidy 7.0 Robust but still seems to be more comfortable at half back.Struggled to gain clean possession but always willing himself on the line in a congested miodfield.
Ciaran Bonner 7.5 Picked up from last year with an all action display and ran Devenney close for MOTM
Brendan Mc Dyre 5.5 Game passed the young Glenties man by but hopefully can improve.
Michael Hegarty 7.5 This is how he should play on a consistent basis.easily our best firward in delivering quality ball into the FF line.
Brian Roper 6.5 Captain for the day but not as energetic as previous games.Still contributed in winning ball and doing the basics well
Brendan Devenney 8.5 Star performance from the off and should have ended with 1-9 however 6 points and a penalty earned was a great return.
Adrian Sweeney 7.0 Again another sharp performance.Still can receive the ball in tight situations and lay off to oncoming forwards.Executed penalty as per but still guilty of missing easy free from the hands.
Leon Thompson 7.5 Ended great move in first half with clinical goal.seems to have early understanding with Dev.Could have had ahatrick of goals but for the keeper and last ditch defending.
Subs:
Rory Kavanagh 6.0 Looked disinterested and off the pace.Fouled close in when about to pull the trigger to earn a pointed free.
Christy Toye 7.0 Much livlier than last week and more at home on the wing.Kicked point to end game as contest.
Kevin Mc Menamin 6.5 Really needs to marry some pace to his undoubted skill to have a chance of breaking into 15 for league.
Joe Friel 6.0 Did,nt add much to midfield sector and really needs to up the ante if he's to secure a league place.
Ryan Bradley 7.0 Tackled well and harried constantly for the short time he was on and another fine point with the left foot.A young footballer with a point to prove.
A Very disappointing second half showing from queens on sunday after outplaying derry in the opening period.
joe diver and gilligan had good games for the oak leafers, but only gerard o'kane produced any sort of decent football for the college over the 70 minutes.
The Tyrone -v- Monaghan semi-final has been put on hold until Tuesday 13th February under floodlights at Breffini Park (1930 GMT). Mickey Harte and several Tyrone players are involved in this week's All Star Trip to Dubai and won't return home until next Sunday.
Full report of Tyrone v Cavan at the "flashy" Tyronegaa website below:
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=282
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup
Cavan 0-10 Tyrone 0-14
Match Day 3 2007
McKenna Cup holders Tyrone qualified for the semi finals as group winners following this four point success over previously unbeaten Cavan at Kingspan Breffini Park on Saturday evening.
It was a contest that Tyrone never looked like losing after establishing a four point lead early on. The hosts did battle back to within a point in the early stages of the second period but then Tyrone enjoyed their best spell of the game as they reeled of seven points without reply to put the issue beyond doubt. Newcomers Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse and Christopher Coulhoun all played their part in the win with Gerald Cavlan making a welcome return to action with a man of the match performance.
Good work at the back from Keith Fannin and Martin Cahill prevented Tyrone from taking an early lead although it was the Breffini men who had the first attempts at the posts with Larry Reilly and Rory Gallagher both off target. In the sixth minute Tyrone opened the scoring when Captain Sean Cavanagh converted a forty three metre free after he had been fouled himself. The same player was then of target moments later from another long range free before Aiden McCarron doubled their advantage with a superb score from the left wing following good work from Gerald Cavlan, Declan Treanor and Paul Rouse. By the tenth minute Tyrone were three points to the good following a well taken Christopher Colhoun point and when Gerald Cavlan picked out Kelvin Hughes with a superb cross field pass the midfielder made it 0-4 to 0-0.
It was all Tyrone at this stage and they should have added to their tally but both Aiden McCarron and Declan Treanor dropped efforts short into the arms of Cavan keeper Eoghan Elliot while Paul Rouse shot wide after a sharp turn. Cavan eventually got of the mark in the 18th minute when Gerald Pearson converted a thirty metre free from the left wing after he had been fouled himself but almost immediately Tyrone responded with a well taken Declan Treanor point after he received a pass from Niall Gormley. Both sides then missed chances while Ciaran McCrory was alert to read a dangerous situation and clear his lines. Good interchange play between Christopher Coulhoun and Paul Rouse saw the former fouled on route to goal and Aidan McCarron made no mistake from the resulting twenty metre free. Gerald Pearson converted a thirteen metre free for Cavan before he was off target from play after being put under pressure by Ciaran McCrory. It took Cavan thirty one minutes to get their first point from play when Dermot McCabe split the posts and that reduced the arrears at the break to three, 0-6 to 0-3.
Paul Rouse was off target for Tyrone in the opening seconds of the second half and it was Cavan who drew first blood when Gerald Pearson tapped over a thirty metre free following a foul on Dermot McCabe. Cormac McGinley made a couple of timely interceptions as the Tyrone defence came under pressure, Gerald Pearson on target again from another placed ball in front of the posts. In the fifth minute Tyrone responded with a brilliant score that was began by Davy Harte and involved Gerald Cavlan and Dermot Carlin twice before Sean Cavanagh finished it of. Nine minutes into the second half the margin was down to the minimum again after Ryan McMenamin was penalised for a foot block and Gerald Pearson made no mistake from the thirteen metre free. That was as good as it was to get for Cavan though as Tyrone took over to play their best football of the contest. Davy Harte, Cormac McGinley, Dermot Carlin and Gerald Cavlan were involved in a move down the right wing which resulted in the latter putting a superb ball into the path of Ryan McMenamin who cut in along the end line to fist an inspirational point.
Another superb Gerald Cavlan pass picked out Ryan McMenamin again and this time the Dromore man played the ball out for Paul Rouse to split the posts. Tyrone were now clearly in the ascendancy and from the next kick out Sean Cavanagh won possession before placing substitute Colm Donnelly for a point. The Cavan defence were coming under increasing pressure and Paul Rouse found the target again following a Niall Gormley assist. With ten minutes of normal time left to play Tyrone were leading by double scores 0-12 to 0-6 after Paul Rouse turned to hit his third point of the night. Cavan pressed forward but they left themselves open at the back and they almost conceded a goal, Christopher Coulhoun blasting over the bar after Gerald Cavlan had once again been involved in the build up. In the 32nd minute substitutes Colm Donnelly and Ryan Mellon combined for the Moy man to hit his side's last score of the game.
Cavan were trailing by eight points with nothing but pride at stake but they finished strongly to half that deficit. Halfbacks Mark McKeever and Jonathan Crowe combined for the latter to score before substitute Jason O'Reilly knocked over two close in frees in as many minutes. In the third minute of injury time Cavan almost got in for a goal but substitute Cian Mackey's rasping drive was brilliantly tipped over the bar by Tyrone keeper John Devine as Tyrone ran out four point winners on a 0-14 to 0-10 score line. That sets them up for a semi final clash with Monaghan as they bid to take another step closer to a fourth McKenna Cup title in a row, the Oriel County ironically the only side to beat Tyrone in this competition during Mickey Harte's reign when they won the 2003 final.
Cavan – Eoghan Elliot, Anthony Forde, Keith Fannin, Martin Cahill, Jonathan Crowe, Mark McKeever, Paul Brady, Lorcan Mulvey, Dermot McCabe, Martin Reilly, Sean Brady, Michael Cunningham, Larry Reilly, Gerald Pearson, Rory Gallagher. Subs – Eamon Reilly for Rory Gallagher, Nicholas Walsh for Sean Brady, Jason O'Reilly for Larry Reilly, Cian Mackey for Martin Reilly, Michael McDonald for Lorcan Mulvey
Tyrone – John Devine, Paul McGurk, Ciaran McCrory, Ryan McMenamin, Davy Harte, Paul Quinn, Martin Penrose, Kelvin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Declan Treanor, Gerald Cavlan, Aiden McCarron, Niall Gormley, Paul Rouse, Christopher Coulhoun. Subs – Cormac McGinley for Ciaran McCrory, Dermot Carlin for Paul McGurk, Colm Donnelly for Kelvin Hughes, Ryan Mellon for Aiden McCarron, Kevin Hughes for Martin Penrose
Cavan scorers – Gerald Pearson 0-5, Jason O'Reilly 0-2, Jonathan Crowe 0-1, Dermot McCabe 0-1, Cian Mackey 0-1
Tyrone scorers – Paul Rouse 0-3, Christopher Coulhoun 0-2, Aiden McCarron 0-2, Sean Cavanagh 0-2, Colm Donnelly 0-1, Kelvin Hughes 0-1, Ryan Mellon 0-1, Ryan McMenamin 0-1, Declan Treanor 0-1
Referee – Seamus McGonagle
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Tyrone have lost their points from the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup win over Derry but it will not affect their place in the semi-finals of the competition.
The Ulster Council took the points away on Tuesday night after deeming that Tyrone had broken competition rules by fielding four university players.
Despite the ruling, Mickey Harte's side will still play Monaghan in the semi-finals on 13 February.
Armagh's Paddy McKeever also received a month's suspension at the meeting.
McKeever received a straight red card late in the game in the McKenna Cup win over Fermanagh.
The Ulster Council meeting also rescinded a 48-week ban on Donegal hurling club Setanta.
The ban had been imposed because Setanta had refused to provide information over an incident at a recent game.
A match official was assaulted in the Ulster Division Two final between Setanta and Castleblayney.
Setanta appealed against the decision and the Central Appeals Committee ruled on the matter.
Last weekend, Mickey Harte said the county would put up a strong defence of their decision to play four students players against Derry.
Harte used UUJ squad players Colm Cavanagh, Brendan Boggs and Damien McCaul plus St Mary's Cathal McCarron defying the Ulster Council directive.
"We still believe what we did was right and proper and we will be defending that as far as we need to," said Harte.
"We are here to play football and to enhance the competition.
"This is a great time to have competitive matches. It is a good springboard for the National League.
"There is a big game coming up against Dublin in Croke Park and we need to be ready for that."
Tyrone's four-point success away to Cavan on Saturday night made it three wins out of three in the McKenna Cup on the field.
Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6295781.stm
After the results on the feild over the w/e it didn't take a rocket scientist to see that this is the action the Ulster Council would take. They can now claim to be all tough and decisive whilst their action means nothing.
Only fair to let the lads play for their county from now on doodes
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They can now claim to be all tough ........
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Indeed they can't!
What I can't understand is if Tyrone were docked two points, why werent they also docked their scoring average from the game? Docking their scoring average I believe would have resulted in them failing to make the knock out stage. Why have Tyrone still been allowed to benefit from the rule breaking? In my opinion Tyrone either shouldnt have been penalised at all or should have been removed from the competition. This half way house is something I can see coming back to hurt the Ulster council later in the year.
Also Hickey Marte says he would do the same thing again. Not much of a punishment then eh?
How could they punish Tyrone? They single-handly revived the Dr. McKenna Cup.
Yes, in fact it should be renamed the Dr Tyrone Cup.
QuoteThey single-handly revived the Dr. McKenna Cup.
their main contribution to the GAA, in fact.
QuoteYes, in fact it should be renamed the Dr Tyrone Cup.
or perhaps the Tyrone doctored cup.
I am usually pro-Mickey Harte, but surely this has now prooven to be an extremely detrimental course of action with respect to the 4 'college' lads. Instead of getting 3 games with their university, they have got 2 for their County!
I take they will not be permitted to playin the remaining games.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 24, 2007, 11:00:20 PM
I am usually pro-Mickey Harte, but surely this has now prooven to be an extremely detrimental course of action with respect to the 4 'college' lads. Instead of getting 3 games with their university, they have got 2 for their County!
I take they will not be permitted to playin the remaining games.
They only got one for the county...but I'm sure he got a good look at them! ::)
They had a choice, wasn't as if they were forced onto the Tyrone team.
QuoteThey only got one for the county...but I'm sure he got a good look at them!
Sorry for the typo, I meant 1.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 25, 2007, 09:48:25 AM
QuoteThey only got one for the county...but I'm sure he got a good look at them!
Sorry for the typo, I meant 1.
Don't be worrying Norf. You're in good company. Gaelic Life does it all the time.
Mickey Harte will be proved right in relation to the "University Four". Tis better that they played one McKenna Cup game for the Master Harte than three McKenna Cup games for miserable Mickey Moran and bitter Paddy Tally.
The Tyrone manager did what he had to do for the good of the County squad. Fair play to him.
By the way, I am touched by the concern shown towards the "University Four" by Armagh poster Goats Do Shave. I wonder will he be brave enough to repeat his comments the next time he visits Drumlee!
I believe all of them lads wanted and preferred to try out for their county end of.. Its not about the polytechniques. its about whats good for Tyrone football.
I've already expressed my concerns in that part of the world! ;)
Just because Micky Harte is proclaimed as the saviour of The McKenna Cup, doesn't mean he should be allowed to destroy it again!!??
If all the counties followed suit, the universities would provide no competiton for the inter county teams, thus removing the McKenna cup's new found glamour & removing a decent platform to test fringe squad players & potential new panelists.
I admire your support of Micky Harte all the same! It'll be some joke if any of the 4 lads don't now make the Tyrone panel, & are consequently dropped from their uni sigerson squad!
Quote& are consequently dropped from their uni sigerson squad!
anyone good enough to pull on the red hand jersey wont have to worry about a sigerson place
Does that include u21s?
I Guarantee there will be tyrone (and other county) players warming the bench come sigerson time.
QuoteI Guarantee there will be tyrone (and other county) players warming the bench come sigerson time
Warming the bench
is inclusion in the squad in any man's language.
Has the Armagh team for Sunday been named yet?
The Donegal team won't be named until just before throw-in, due to a couple of injury concerns.
My assumption is that any county player worth his salt, certainly the exalted tyrone county players, would regard a place on their Sigerson team as a starting place....
My point would be that if Paddy Tally is as "bitter" as some would lead us to believe....then what's to stop him not including young McCarron...due to his apparant snub in this comp, to his uni - just to be "bitter"?
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 25, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
Mickey Harte will be proved right in relation to the "University Four". Tis better that they played one McKenna Cup game for the Master Harte than three McKenna Cup games for miserable Mickey Moran and bitter Paddy Tally.
The Tyrone manager did what he had to do for the good of the County squad. Fair play to him.
By the way, I am touched by the concern shown towards the "University Four" by Armagh poster Goats Do Shave. I wonder will he be brave enough to repeat his comments the next time he visits Drumlee!
Just like you would be brave enough to tell Gerard Houlihan that you enjoyed seeing him getting his head stamped on during a game many moons ago!
Hypocrite.
Quote from: stew on January 26, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
Just like you would be brave enough to tell Gerard Houlihan that you enjoyed seeing him getting his head stamped on during a game many moons ago!
Hypocrite.
stew, your ludicrous posts would suggest that Mr Houlahan was not the only man to get his head stamped on during a game. Who were you playing for at the time....Longstone F.C.?
I wish you would also show the ex-Armagh All-Star some respect by spelling his name correctly. It is the least the man deserves after years of great service to the Orchard County.
Right lads and lassies, predictions for tomorrow???
I think it will be a tight low scoring game, Dun na nGall to shave it by two points! ;D
QuoteRight lads and lassies, predictions for tomorrow???
Based on the referee's first half performance he obviously has a side bet on Armagh! lol! HAs to be the worst refereeing display I've seen this year!
Some unreal decisions. Very erratic refereeing and consistently inconsistent. Is it any wonder players get frustrated when you see the like of this?
I could only listen on Highland, but it sounded like Donegal made hard work of that! Will many of those Armagh players be close to a starting spot?
On the bright side, McMenamin did well.
Was Cassidy's tackle that bad?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 28, 2007, 12:23:25 AM
Right lads and lassies, predictions for tomorrow???
I think it will be a tight low scoring game, Dun na nGall to shave it by two points! ;D
Well done mate. Hit the nail on the head there!
Now, no gloating.
Anyhow, onto the National League now.
A very competitive game for the time of year, but the refereeing was absolutely atrocious.
Despite the result, I still think Joe Kernan will be much happier than Brian McIver. Most of Donegal's big guns appeared on the field of play at some stage in this contest but they still struggled to beat a barely recognisable Armagh outfit. Peadar Toal looks as if he could certainly be one of the new faces who could command a regular place on the Armagh starting fifteen this season and that big ginger fella (McClelland, I think you call him) could well be the next Francie Bellew.
If Donegal had great difficulty beating Armagh's second string side today, what chance do they have overturning a full strength Armagh team in the summer?
How long did Donegal play with 14 men?
Cassidy was sent off with about 20 minutes of normal time still to play. It was a very harsh decision to issue him with a second yellow. The referee was brutal today.
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If Donegal had great difficulty beating Armagh's
second string side today....
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More like their third string! I agree that Joe will be the happier tonight. From what was on view for Armagh, I was impressed by Peadar Toal although I hear that he isn't dependable which is a pity. Of the rest I'd expect to see more of C McKinney, P Duffy, Enda of course (tenacious as ever), maybe Tony McClelland, Gareth Swift and Mal Mackin. JP Donnelly (still a liability) will also probably get Joe's vote.
It would have been nice to have stolen it today.
And for my next trick... wednesdays lottery numbers will be.................... ;)
Well done Donegal, a bit of goodsportsmanship would be nice from the posters on this board, bad referee, neither side at full strength, weather not great, NFL starting next week, alot of factors, but if anyone who tells me that Big Joe put out a THIRD string FFS get a life, also do youse eejits think that Kernan didn't want to win the game or thought any less of the competition, if so then why did he bother trying to play a side to win the other matches!!!
Credit where credit's due the better team won on the day and with 14 men!!! >:(
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 28, 2007, 04:23:40 PM
A very competitive game for the time of year, but the refereeing was absolutely atrocious.
Despite the result, I still think Joe Kernan will be much happier than Brian McIver. Most of Donegal's big guns appeared on the field of play at some stage in this contest but they still struggled to beat a barely recognisable Armagh outfit. Peadar Toal looks as if he could certainly be one of the new faces who could command a regular place on the Armagh starting fifteen this season and that big ginger fella (McClelland, I think you call him) could well be the next Francie Bellew.
If Donegal had great difficulty beating Armagh's second string side today, what chance do they have overturning a full strength Armagh team in the summer?
As with last year against Down, I don't think we should bother turning up! :P
Seriously though, and obviously we'll know a little more after the league, in Ballybofey I'd say we've a good chance. McGrane's goal and Hearty's late save were all that separated the teams last season. Apart from the 2004 Ulster Final (when the players got carried away after beating Tyrone) and the 2005 replay indiscipline disgrace, the games have usually been fairly tight, although Armagh have generally looked like they're just that wee bit too good for Donegal. Despite the appearance of a few veteran Donegal players today, I don't know how many of them will play against Armagh in the championship. The likes of Roper and Adrian Sweeney didn't feature too much last year, while Hegarty and Toye didn't cover themselves in glory last year either, so the opportunities may be there for others. McIver went with a lot of youth last season, so I can't see him completely reverting back to the boys who were coasting a bit in the last days under McEniff. Finding a midfield partner for Neil Gallagher and reasonably settled forward six should the main aim for the league, along with avoiding relegation to Division 3. We said the same things this time last year though!
Anyway, I think Donegal were in a no-win situation today given Armagh's experimentation. Avoiding defeat and getting decent games from the likes of McMenamin, Donoghue and Cassidy (at midfield) were probably the main aims. Its was a scrappy McKenna Cup game in January with a shite referee, and it will be forgotten in a few days. And maybe Armagh's "third-string" players are not that bad!
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 27, 2007, 09:37:23 PM
Quote from: stew on January 26, 2007, 04:07:01 PM
Just like you would be brave enough to tell Gerard Houlihan that you enjoyed seeing him getting his head stamped on during a game many moons ago!
Hypocrite.
stew, your ludicrous posts would suggest that Mr Houlahan was not the only man to get his head stamped on during a game. Who were you playing for at the time....Longstone F.C.?
I wish you would also show the ex-Armagh All-Star some respect by spelling his name correctly. It is the least the man deserves after years of great service to the Orchard County.
Redhandfan, my post does not suggest that Mr Houlihan was the only man ever to get his head stamped on, I merely highlighted the fact that you gloated about it on the old board and I thought that was disgusting and cowardly of you.
I was playing for Longstone at the time though.
As for Houlie's name, yep I got the spelling wrong, you got me.
Did you ever kick a ball in your life or are you happy being an administrative pencil pusher?????
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2007, 07:09:23 PM
From a Tyrone perspective I'm glad Armagh got thru and providing Mickey Harte's young pups can get thru againt Monaghan it will be interesting to see them up against Kernan's cubs in the final as I'm sure both managers will give youth a chance to see how they fair against each other rather than fielding their best team of established players. Donegal were even-money today and I had a good wager on them, so at lest I have a bit to blow against the Dubs next weekend. :-\
What the hell are you on about chief?
Lol. Sorry about that. Don't post after drinking................
Donegal win scrappy McKenna semi
Donegal edged out youthful Armagh 0-9 to 0-7 in Sunday's scrappy Gaelic Life McKenna Cup semi-final at Healy Park.
Brian McIver's side led by 0-4 to 0-0 after 13 minutes with the impressive Kevin McMenamin hitting three points.
However, three Peadar Toal points helped Armagh fight back with five unanswered scores before half-time.
Donegal ended 31 minutes without a score to regain the lead and they held on to win despite the dismissal of Kevin Cassidy for two yellow cards.
McMenamin emphasised his status as Donegal's main find during the McKenna Cup by hitting the opening three scores of the game and Hegarty's neat finish then extended McIver's side lead to four points by the 13th minute.
However, Donegal's periodic problem of over-elaboration then began to set in and midfielder Joe Friel's over-carrying enabled Peadar Toal to open Armagh's account in the 22nd minute.
Toal then hit two fine points from play to cut Donegal's lead to the minimum and injury-time scores from Gareth Swift and Kevin O'Rourke left Joe Kernan's side with an unlikely half-time advantage.
The main talking point of the first half was Cassidy's vigorous challenge which led to the enforced departure of Armagh's Paul Duffy.
The Armagh management were extremely unhappy with Cassidy's attempted shoulder but referee Barry Toland didn't feel that it warranted a booking although the Donegal player did pick up his first yellow card later in the half for another challenge.
Donegal, playing with the wind, ended their long scoreless spell when Brendan Devenney notched his first score of the game with a 38th-minute free.
They regained their lead a minute later when McMenamin finished off the move of the game to swing over a fine point.
Armagh levelled two minutes later when Stephen Faulkner pointed after Joe Friel had been caught in possession in his own defence.
Devenney, close marked by Enda McNulty for the most part, finally showed his attacking skills in the 45th minute when he superb run set up a point for Brian Roper with the substitute's goal attempt going inches over the crossbar.
Cassidy got his early bath in the 53rd minute after a harsh second booking.
However, Armagh's man advantage wasn't in any way obvious during the remainder of the game as Joe Kernan's young side appeared to run out of steam. Devenney swung over a wind-assisted free to extend Donegal's lead to two with five minutes left.
Armagh sub Barry McKevitt cut Donegal's lead to a point in the first minute of injury-time but McMenamin's fourth score of the game was the final kick of the game.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6307631.stm
Paul Duffy looked to have injured his left shoulder after Cassidy's vigorous challenge and was taken to hospital.
Armagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.
Quote from: Armagh Exile on January 28, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
Armagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.
The way he was holding his head as he left the pitch, I suspected that.
QuoteArmagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.
Bloody painful injury and not much you can do with it other than sit still.
QuoteArmagh's Paul Duffy has a suspected broken collar-bone.
Can't remember, but was this the result of a late tackle or did it happen in open play? I mentioned earlier about the inconsistency of the referee but it must say that the number of late tackles in the game, some pulled up on and others let go, were unreal. I suppose the players must take most responsibility for this. But why in the modern game do most 'hard' tackles merit a blank or a yellow card? Cassidy made a legitimate tackle and was sent off for it. It wasn't even a foul? Please explain.
Anyone notice John Mc Cluskey 'lurking' behind Joe Kernan and John Rafferty. I'm not sure how much input he had when Grimley was there but he looked lost. Anyone else notice this?
I was very happy with the Armagh performance today, given that the line up was unrecognisable as an Armagh team. It's not meant to be disrespectful to Donegal posters on here but that WAS our third string! I thought Armagh's best performers were Toal, McClelland, Donnelly and Swift. The McCreeshs did well at the back too. Toal has that bit of class and scoring potential about him that we could really do with in the forward line this year and if he keeps the level of workrate up that he has shown in the last couple of games then he should be able to nail a starting spot. If he had got a better supply of ball in the second half he would have been able to do a lot more damage. I don't think there are too many individual star performers among those lads but in the last few games they have shown a remarkable level of composure, confidence and maturity in their play for guys who are mostly in the 19/20 age bracket. Played well as a unit too.
Armagh's line up for the first few league games is going to be interesting! The university players will be back but none of those lads are regulars themselves. The growing injury list and the absence of the Cross contingent will mean another experimental line up for the early games. I hope we can salvage some points early on and hang in there until the cavalry arrives later on.
The record books will show that we bucked the hoodoo and finally beat Armagh and yes I know they were a 2nd string,reserves,hell some of them were probably playing for the Armagh U16 development squad only last week but a win is a win.Hopefully this can give the team confidence for May 27th.
I have to say that there were a lot of cocky Armagh supporters leaving Healy Park yesterday safe in their belief that the 'A-Team' will have no bother of disposing of us come the championship.Form during the Mc Kenna Cup can not be equated with what 'should' happen in the Summer.Ask Tyrone as they beat us by 18 points in the Mc Kenna final in 2005 only to lose to a 13 man Donegal team in Clones that Summer.It could be argued that this young Armagh team brought an intensity to the match as they were each fighting for league panel places and it showed in their pressure when we were in possession as there were many turnovers.Some of the pulling and dragging especially of Toye,Hegarty and Kavanagh should have been addressed by Toland,the abysmal ref.
Individual positives were the display of the two Mc Gees,Cass in midfield - a powerhouse performance,Barry Monaghan and Wappa's point tally.
Mc Iver was correct to feel aggrieved by the refs sending off of Cass and an appeal should be lodged as to the reason why he deemed Kevins tackle as a foul let alone a yellow card offence.It was laughable to hear the baying Armagh ones calling for Cass to be sent off for a fair shoulder.The 'crack' could be heard in the stand and I'm sure everyone wishes young Duffy a speedy recovery.Cass had the forward momentum whilst Duffy had just received the ball and was stationary.I dont know the protocol in disciplinary appeals but i hope that Toland can be asked to account for his decision of a second yellow card.In fact it swung the advantage in our favour and it never looked like our slender lead could be matched by fading Armagh attack.Another chance to finally win some silverware awaits on the 18th February and we go down to Pairc Ui Rinn on Saturday night unbeaten.
Cass's suspension and Ciaran Bonner's (shoulder injury) absence will be a big loss.Colm Anthony and big Neilly were in the stand and have'nt featured yet this year due to injury and tonsilitis and it remains to be seen if they will figure in the Cork match.
Still Mc Iver has to be concerned that we could'nt account for that Armagh side with so many first team players on show.
Ciaran Sharkey 7.0 Could not fault display were he was'nt called upon to make a save and kicked fairly accurately.
Paddy Campbell 6.0 Paddy aint a corner back and a strange decision by Mc Iver when he could have given Witherow another run.
Neil Mc Gee 7.5 Played very well and pushed Cass close for MOTM IMO.Sound and strong under the high ball.
Frank Mc Glynn 6.0 Much better suited to wing back and too loose in marking his man.
Tommy Donoghue 7.0 Best game so far,showed plenty of confidence and won plenty of scrappy ball.
Barry Monaghan 7.0 Improving with each game and phenomenal strength in breaking the tackles.
Eamonn Mc Gee 7.0 Along with his brother the pick of our defenders.
Joe Friel 7.0 Found it puzzling when subbed by Roper.Best game in county jersey so far.
Kevin Cassidy 8.0 Immense throughout and led by example.Beginning to bed into midfield position.
Christy Toye 7.0 Made some valuable runs that eventually drew belated frees in second half but needs to maintain a consistency of play throughout.
Michael Hegarty 7.0 Captain for the day and like Toye and Kavanagh found it difficult to escape the pulling and dragging fest on the '40'
Rory Kavanagh 6.5 Does not look fit and only began to show when reduced to 14 men.
Kevin Mc Menamin 7.5 Wappa's tally of 4 points made him our best forward and should have been given more of the frre taking duties with the wind advantage in the second half.All told 5 different players tried their luck at frees.
Brendan Devenney 6.5 In fairness the quality of ball was not of the same standard as last week.Failed to execute some easy frees but made one incisive run that set up Roper for a goal chance that ended up going over for a point.
Ciaran Bonner 7.0 Came off injured following awkward fall at start.looked lively and was missed for rest of match as orthodox 3 man FF line was employed when Thompson came on.
Subs:
Barry Dunnion 7.0 In for second half and injected much needed attacking option with Donoghue going back into corner.
Brian Roper 6.5 Chasing shadows for a while but popped up for a point.
Leon Thompson 6.0 Like Devenney,not able to make much headway and when he did break free shot weakly into the keepers hands from 20m.
Adrian Sweeney 7.0 Able to hold up ball when needed but obviously has'nt the pace to do any real damage these days.Impact sub season once more.
Ryan Bradley Not on long enough to rate.
Healy Park is a fine set up and the PA system is the standard that every other county ground should aspire to. The main announcer had a voice similar to Benedict Kiely,clear and sonorous.For all those of an older generation that was the guy who did many of narrations on the RTE series 'Hands'. I believe he was/is one of Omagh's most renowned sons.
Quote from: thejohnharanexperi on January 29, 2007, 08:58:51 AM
The record books will show that we bucked the hoodoo and finally beat Armagh and yes I know they were a 2nd string,reserves,hell some of them were probably playing for the Armagh U16 development squad only last week but a win is a win.Hopefully this can give the team confidence for May 27th.
IT mightn't be comfortable reading for Donegal ones, but it was a 2nd/3rd string. I was at an Armagh v Tyrone U21 game on Saturday, Armagh were largely made up of trialists. The last 3 subs that came on for Armagh yesterday were playing on the saturday and at least 2 of them were taken off then.
I thought Tony McClelland was excellent yesterday, very composed for such a young lad. McNulty, as usual, never gave Devenney a kick and this could be Peadar's year to make the breakthrough.
QuoteThe main announcer had a voice similar to Benedict Kiely,clear and sonorous.For all those of an older generation that was the guy who did many of narrations on the RTE series 'Hands'. I believe he was/is one of Omagh's most renowned sons.
He's simply known as "The Voice" and has been doing the job for well over 50 years. There was a tribute to him in one of the programmes last year but all the attention seemed to unsettled him and he gave the wrong announcments all day re: subs etc.
Did the wee Omagh woman sing the Anthem.
Armagh have a bright enough future going by what i watched yesterday. Toal is a talented lad, some very McDonnell-like qualities about him. From 15 mins-35mins in the first half they more than matched an almost championship-strength Donegal side. Their tackling/defending at the back was a mirror image of their senior counterparts circa 02-04.
Donegal will be hoping they get a full year out of Cassidy. He's thee class act of the side but I still feel he's more suited and effective at CHB.
I rarely criticise refs, but if that's the standard for the year God help us. His interpretation of what was a legitimate tackle changed from minute to minute. In the first half he let Armagh away with some heavy-handed defending whilst Donegal were blown up for the slightest touch. In the second half it was the reverse. I thought Donegal were awarded some soft frees after the sending off (which wasn't even a black book offence).
Cassidy shoulder wasa good of hit as you will see. i think it was duffys size - alot smaller than casssidy that made the tackical look alot worse than what it was. I think Armagh can gain alot of inspiration similar to tyrone that there are alot of new boys fit to step up to the mark afterall i would say donegal had at least 10 of there starting championship 15 playing
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.
Quote from: ONeill on January 29, 2007, 10:37:58 AM
Armagh have a bright enough future going by what i watched yesterday. Toal is a talented lad, some very McDonnell-like qualities about him. From 15 mins-35mins in the first half they more than matched an almost championship-strength Donegal side. Their tackling/defending at the back was a mirror image of their senior counterparts circa 02-04.
Donegal will be hoping they get a full year out of Cassidy. He's thee class act of the side but I still feel he's more suited and effective at CHB.
I rarely criticise refs, but if that's the standard for the year God help us. His interpretation of what was a legitimate tackle changed from minute to minute. In the first half he let Armagh away with some heavy-handed defending whilst Donegal were blown up for the slightest touch. In the second half it was the reverse. I thought Donegal were awarded some soft frees after the sending off (which wasn't even a black book offence). ?
Have to agree with you here o'neill standard of officialdom was terrible to say the least. hope thats not an example to be followed :-\
that Armagh team yestarday is about 80% of the u21 team this year! although i still think its going to be a Tyrone-Dublin All Ireland Final!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.
LOL. Now feck off.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.
OTB are you trying to do a 'Tony' on Armagh?
Quote from: full back on January 29, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
If that's the strength in depth that Armagh have I'd say they are nailed-on certs for Sam this year.
OTB are you trying to do a 'Tony' on Armagh?
Looks like Armagh are out in the first round of qualifiers! ;)
I think the Armagh camp will be happy enough with this game. It might have been important to Donegal to beat Armagh, but it doesn't have the same importance the other way around. With the McKenna cup final supposed to on the weekend when Cross' were playing in Mullingar, it wouldn't suit Big Joe and a lot of Armagh people, a big "derby" against Tyrone when so many players were unavailable didn't have that much to recommend it. It is much more important to say in Division 1. The league offers Joe a chance to try out any players that caught his eye in the McKenna cup campaign. You can't draw much by way of conclusion about the championship from this type of game, except to say that there are some prospects for the current panel and others who might make a decent team in the future when the old faces are permanently unavailable. The defensive work yesterday was sound, but the transfer of the ball forward was poor, while this is not a strong point of Armagh at any time the lack of organising figures like McGrane did not help the shape of the team. Some of these players could look better in a settled lineup.
On a lighter note, I see Paul Hearty scored a great point at the all-stars, could our Armagh's forward problems be solved! :D
QuoteHi folks,
due to the high traffic and server usage, our hosting company moved us onto a different server. Unfortunately this caused the loss of certain posts and some threads too.
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Thought I was going mad as the posts from last night in this thread or the Armagh v Donegal thread disappeared. In fact the Ar V Donegal thread seems to have disappeared altogether. As they contained photos of the Armagh personnel I thought they had complained and had them removed. Anyway above explains everything.
Not long now to the Tyrone v Monaghan semi-final. Both teame have won their opening games and by the time the match is played Tyrone will have played their last three games under lights. Should be a good game! What do you think, should Harte play the University 4 or is he allowed to?
He hasn't got the balls to play them...
Quote from: Uladh on February 07, 2007, 10:37:23 AM
He hasn't got the balls to play them...
Of course he has Uladh. Mickey Monagh will ensure of that. I think he even has the new yellow ones too ;)
Any preditions for this game on Tuesday night? Regardless of who wins the final is in Healy Park next Saturday. The three teams left are flying at the moment. Monaghan and Tyrone are both playing well. I'd expect Mickey Harte to have more changes for this game. Maybe Rouse will return and it will be interesting to see if the College 4 are introduced again.
Is the final definitely in Healy?
McKenna Cup Final on Saturday? That's when Greencastle is playing in the All-Ireland Semi-Final. >:(
Saturday night under lights Ziggy. Does that help? Anyway it could be Donegal v Monaghan. Yes O'Neill. Were you hoping for Casement?
I was assuming Casement as the recent finals Tyrone v Derry '05 and Tyrone v Monaghan '06 had been there. I suppose Donegal wouldn't have been happy.
Does anyone know when the teams will be announced? With regards to Tyrone there are so many on the panel that it is hard to predict the team. Would like to see Curran get a run out again and i assume with the sigerson coming up soon we may not see Justin McMahon with St Mary's having a game on wednesday. I assume McGuigan (T) and Rousey will get a run along with Donnelly etc. Someone told me Tyrone will cut squad to 36/37 after McKenna cup exit and then name the 30 for match days. There is now even competition to get into the named squad for each match - can only be a good thing?
I take it SON will be available for selection? How come he wasn't playing introduced again Fermanagh at the weekend? Monaghan are going well in the league so far and are racking up good scores but I reckon this'll be our toughest challenge of '07 to date... Midfield will be where it's won and lost (excuse the cliché). If we can get a foothold here and get the ball into Tommy and Hanratty they'll do damge but that's a big IF! Who'll be playing instead of Ricey?
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on February 12, 2007, 02:07:26 PM
Who'll be playing instead of Ricey?
Thats a question that only Mickey Hart can answer. It could be Carlin, Marlow, Boggs or McCaul
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on February 12, 2007, 02:07:26 PM
I take it SON will be available for selection? How come he wasn't playing introduced again Fermanagh at the weekend? Monaghan are going well in the league so far and are racking up good scores but I reckon this'll be our toughest challenge of '07 to date... Midfield will be where it's won and lost (excuse the cliché). If we can get a foothold here and get the ball into Tommy and Hanratty they'll do damge but that's a big IF! Who'll be playing instead of Ricey?
O'Neill will be available and he did come on as a half time substitute at the weekend. Midfield could be an issue for yous, im assuming Lennon wont be playin as he will be in action for DCU on Wed in Sigerson vs UUJ and also Hanratty is a member of that DCU team too. Id say Keran Mc Crory, Marlow and Mc Gurk will get a bit of action tomorrow night in Riceys absence.
Jeez I forgot about the oul Sigerson! Big game too... MF could be Paul Finlay and JP Moen with young Conor McManus starting in the Corner in place of Hanratty. I could see Damien Freeman back in the half back line to add a bit of pace and and maybe Shane Smyth or Rory Woods on the edge of the square. Should be a good game I reckon...
Folks anyone know if this is being shown on TG4? Doesn't seem to be appearing on their scheduling but I know they have the rights to show all McKenna cup games so would be suprised if they missed the final? Thanks.
Heard on Radio Ulster this Morning that Dooher is making his comeback tonght.
Let the hoovering begin.
What times's the final on this Sat?
Is it Defo in Healy Park Omagh?
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 13, 2007, 09:13:33 AM
What times's the final on this Sat?
Is it Defo in Healy Park Omagh?
That's presuming Fuzz you win of course! ;) That statement smells of complacency and over-confidence... :o
"Fermanagh made us work hard for the points,'' Mickey Harte
13 February 2007
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte was delighted with the win over their near-neighbours, Fermanagh in the second round of the NFL Division 1A at Healy Park, Omagh under lights on Saturday 10th February. However, he admitted that they had to battle hard for the win, saying that the scoreline flattered his side at the finish.
"It was anyone's game up to the last five minutes. We had to work hard for every score, and over the hour Fermanagh put plenty of pressure on us, just what you would expect in a local derby clash.''
Harte said that he was delighted with the attitude of his players once again. He however, pledged to continue with the process of experimentation for to-morrow (Tuesday) evenings clash with Monaghan in the second semi-final of the Dr. McKenna Cup with Monaghan in Kingspan/Breffni Park, Cavan at 7.30 p.m.
"We are trying to give all the players who have been training with the squad some match time, while at the same time trying to get results,'' he said.
"It's not easy to get the balance right, but we are doing our best, and we will certainly try out some new players on Tuesday night against Monaghan to give them a chance of competitive football. At the same time we want to reach the McKenna Cup final and are up against a Monaghan side who have got into the habit of winning games, and will fancy their chances on this occasion. It should be an interesting clash, and we will learn more about the strength of our panel after this encounter,'' added Harte.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72700
If Tyrone win tonight - Final is in Breffni
If Tyrone lose tonight - Final is in Omagh
No coverage on tonight (although profile on Nudie Hughes is on)
Final on live TG4 Sat night
any coverage of the game on radio 2night??
Nobody seems to know for sure where the final is on if its Tyrone v Donegal.
Does Celtic park not have floodlights?
A Tyrone fan overconfident? Never.
Whats the team for tionight, any boarders going..
Its a hard route to 4-in-a-row for Tyrone as Monaghan will be out to avenge last years defeat while Donegal will want to avenge the mauling they got in Ballybofey in 2004. That said you just can't beat games like this to let the new lads get some real early-season action.
mckenna cup final is on live on saturday night TG4
http://www.tg4.ie/Bearla/Scei/scei.php?date=2007-02-17
I'll be there. Stewarding in the VIP section.
Whats the chances of this game being rained off. Im heading fairly pronto and its pished all day.
Breffni is a prunty pitch, so should be ok!
Don't mess up our pitch !!!!
Quote from: Mid Mon on February 13, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
I'll be there. Stewarding in the VIP section.
You bring the flask, I have sangwiches!
tr**p the sh++e outta er boys. Come on the redhandTuesday night brigade.
Any possible radio commentary for those exiled or banished?
Was listening to Northern Sound there and I think he said there'll be commentary from 7.30 though I may be mistaken as he had a Mexican accent.
the match is on Northern Sound at 7.30 - http://northernsound.ie/listen.php
any word of any lineups? thought the game was on the radio but it must not be. any one know where i can get it?
No luck. Any way to get MW?
That link to northern sound is blaring out the ole C&W, no sign of a commentary
link working, Mon 0-2 Ty 1-1
Seems to be on now.
Rouse, O'Neill and Gormley up front
Marlowe, Cavlan, Penrose
Niall Gormley scored the goal
Tyrone goal
Commentator hasn't a clue who the Tyrone players are
2nd goal Trainor
Declan Trainor?
Curran in goals
O'Neill has 2 points
2-2 to 0-2
2-2 to 0-3 Finlay 45
2-3 to 0-3 O'Neill
2-3 to 0-4 Finlay free - 24 mins played
Tyrone 5 wides
2-4 to 0-4 Tommy McGuigan
2-5 to 0-4 O'Neill free
2-5 to 0-5 Finlay 45
2-6 to 0-5 Rouse 33 mins gone
Half-time
Kelvin Hughes and Paul Quinn on
Aidan McCarron too
Marlowe Yellow card
No 25 on for Tyrone. Commentator doesn't know who it is
Commentator doesn't like big numbers on jerseys
O'Neill nonchalant
Cormac McGinley full back
Commentator likes yellow ball though
Eerie silence when Finlay kicks
Ciaran McRory on for Tyrone
Cavlan has freedom of Breffni
Monaghan 3 wides in first half
Someone tells ref to go home
He hasn't far to go. He lives in Fermanagh
Oneil with a pt
I'll leave the updates to you O Neill, you're quicker on the keys.
possibly the worst commentary iv ever heard
who's the referee tonight?
Half-Time:-
Tyrone 2-6
Monaghan 0-5
Commentator John Graham
2nd Half about to start
2-6 to 0-5
2-7 to 0-5 O'Neill from play
2-8 to 0-5 McCarron from play 8 mins of 2nd half
2-8 to 0-6 Gallogly from play
2-9 to 0-6 Tommy McGuigan
2-10 to 0-6 Damien McDermott (16 mins)
2-11 to 0-6 Colhoun
2-12 to 0-6 Rouse
2-13 to 0-6 (they couldn't be bothered telling us)
2-14 to 0-6 Dooher
2-15 to 0-6 Dooher
2-16 to 0-6 (didn't tell us again)
2-16 to 0-7 Tommy Freeman
FULL TIME
Nudie not happy
Says Rory Woods totally out of shape
Nudie's 45
Tommy Freeman on for Monaghan
Has a big number too.
Graham pissed off
Tyrone no 17 on - Damien McDermott
...and Christy Colhoun is either on or off!!
Paul McGurk playing
O'Neill wide from free
O'Neill fancy footwork like Ronaldinho
Eoin Duffy RED CARD for challenge on Penrose
Penrose wide - 4 Tyrone wides in 2nd half - 9 in all
O'Neill Yellow
Dooher on for O'Neill
Cavlan has interest in 'hunting dogs'
Murphy on for Hughes
Dooher stealing sweets from a child
Dooher wide.
Tyrone crisp handling
Man of the Match - Stephen O'Neill
Anyone guess at Tyrone line out?
McGurk - McGinley - McCarron
Quinn - Marlowe -Penrose
Hughes - McCrory
Cavlan - McGuigan - Trainor
Rouse - O'Neill - Gormley
Cathal McCarron at No4
Philip Jordn, Brian Dooher both on as 2nd half subs.
:)
the strength and depth of Tyrone squad is pretty impressive
Quote from: FermPundit on February 13, 2007, 08:55:15 PM
the strength and depth of Tyrone squad is pretty impressive
as is their desire to win the whatsitsname McKenna cup.
However, O'Neills commentary aint up to her ususal standard.
Jaysus Orior, you should hear what we're listening to. Massive periods of silence
as the man says 'Tyrone mean business' - Monaghan are taking an awful hammering
2-16 to 0-06, time nearly up
Mickey has a really hard job picking a squad of 40 players - very hard 2 pick players that deserve to be dropped
nice problem to have though
Said on radio final will be in Healy pk on sat evenin! Did i not see/hear that if Tyrone won it would be in Breffni?
Northern Sound commentator did not seem to be most reliable source of information!
After last year I think Tyrone supporters will not be getting carried away at all. When you win, they say your bench is strong. When you lose it's not.
yes but when you win three games with basically three different teams then you have a strong bench
QuoteSaid on radio final will be in Healy pk on sat evenin! Did i not see/hear that if Tyrone won it would be in Breffni?
According to the Irish News the game is in Omagh(7.30 et if req)
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
yes but when you win three games with basically three different teams then you have a strong bench
Winning 3 games with almost different teams in February doesnt matter a bit if youre losing games come the summer though, the strength in depth wasnt there last year! (albeit any side would struggle without so many key men). All bodes well though, the panel looks like it should be a good bit stronger this season, there shouldnt be room for the passengers Tyrone were carrying last summer.
Also a great bonus to see Dooher back and flying. Thats him and Gormley back well before expected and McGuigan talking about a comeback in the next few weeks, things look decent enough for the Red Hands at this stage.
Donegal should be a good test. Are they unbeaten in 2007 as well?
Was in nightclass, so missed the game and all the on-line commentary. However I hear the commentary wasn't up to much. Couldn't believe the score when I logged onto the Internet to check at 9.30pm. I hope they don't get over confidence for Saturday and the National League.
Did many Tyronies go down to Cavan or was it to cold?
Just back from the game and YES the final is in Healy Park next Saturday night. First observation is that Monaghan were not their usual fired up self under McAneaney. They were also a few players short but so were Tyrone. The most striking image for me on the night was Tyrone comfortably cruising on the field while waves of Tyrone All-Stars performed their warm up routines along the sideline. Dooher, Cavanagh, Jordan, Mugsy, Harte, C Gormley, Carlin, McConnell (McGuigan and Ricey in storage and the University 8 not playing)...... As someone said earlier I don't envy Mickey Harte. All of the players looked comfortable on the ball and strolled around the park with authority. Curran again looked assured in goals. McGinley did his usual solid job at full back. Kelvin Hughes did well at midfield and Cavlan was majestic looking, spraying balls around the pitch to the forwards, prefering to do this than even attempt a shot. Penrose was energetic as usual but had three reasonable chances wide and when he did get a shot on target it dropped into the keepers arms. Rouse scored some good points including his jiggy routine at a free which always causes a stir in the crowd (O'Neill was off at this stage). Some good moves to get scores and O'Neill won man of the match with his 1-5 tally. Dooher returned and despite a low key profile he managed to sweep over two points - one an outside of the boot a la V Kerry 2003. The players i haven't mentioned all did well too.
After all that it's still feet on the ground, however, as this Monaghan team obviously had their eye on other things (League and Champ) and like all the teams Tyrone have played will be a different proposition down the line. A mouthwatering prospect the final next Saturday when no doubt Cavanagh, C Gormley, Jordan, O'Neill, Mugsy, Harte and Dooher will all be in line for prominent roles against a Donegal team who are playing well. Let's hope it lives up to its billing.
Two observations about Breffni Pk. They have six sets of floodlights but don't seem to be any brighter than Healy and on the way out it is very dark and a safety hazard. Hopefully they will get perimeter lights soon.
Another observation was that like the Stephen McDonnell article today some of the Monaghan crowd started shouting at Freeman to work harder and look for the ball and seemed frustrated with him. Maybe an article for Gaelic Life? - how crowds treat their best players at times?
just back from game. doohers back! will post rest tomorrow. nite!
Quotejust back from game. doohers back!
YIP
Well done never kickt a ball on your 1000th post ;)
Exceptional Tyrone performance and the bar is being well and truly lifted this year. Cavlan and Hughes bossed midfield with Cavlans flair and passing exceptional and Hughes workrate second to none. Marlowe fared well. Couple of good runs from Quinn, Stevie looks keen, Dooher - what a couple of points particularly the first and great to see Jordan back, like his namesake all tan but unlike his namesake no upper body weight. Ready for action.. Overall Im thrilled, and from a club persepctive I think Hughes was superb and will have gave his chances a huge boost. Cavlan cannot be left out of that squad, hes playing the best football of his career. Rouse got one superb point as well, needs a little work but looks to offer us something different as well.
Feck that mckenna cup numbering system is annoying! & with no programme sellers about it took a lot of time to work out who was who. As reported earlier a good dominant performance and thing looks good. Mickey will have a tough job culling the team but I can't see either damien mcdermott or kelvin hughes making it on their performances last night.
Otb, you dont know much about football son. Hughes done more work last night than any other player on the pitch. to put him in with Daisy is a great disservice and may I add michievous.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 14, 2007, 09:59:47 AM
Feck that mckenna cup numbering system is annoying! & with no programme sellers about it took a lot of time to work out who was who.
The key to the McKenna Cup is to bring your last programme with you as the numbers don't change. As we expect now from the Ulster Council only the great, the good, the early and the lucky get a programme. Next year we should list all the teams as per first programme then we can print them out and bring them with us. I wonder will the final have the same numbers for each team. (probably will have given the time factor and the delay in naming the teams) If so could someone post the Donegal team sheet and I will post the Tyrone team when I get a chance. Then we can go to the match prepared.
Whats times the final on at in Healy Park on Sat?
Say there will be a big crowd now.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 14, 2007, 11:13:36 AM
Whats times the final on at in Healy Park on Sat?
Say there will be a big crowd now.
Don't know for sure Fuzz but they started last week at 7.30pm.
QuoteOtb, you dont know much about football son. Hughes done more work last night than any other player on the pitch. to put him in with Daisy is a great disservice and may I add michievous.
Can't say I noticed him showing much RRRF, but perhaps you were watching him more than I was. I was trying to keep an eye on all the young fellas so maybe I overlooked his contribution and the numbering and lack of programme to refer to did not help. When he was subbed I wasn't surprised tho. Tommy McGuigan was another that had an off-night in my opinion but maybe you thing I'm being miischievous (wtf?)there as well! ???
Tyrone tear Monaghan apart
14 February 2007
Former captain Brian Dooher raised the roof at Kingspan/Breffni Park as Tyrone cruised their way into the McKenna Cup final with a facile 2-16 to 0-8 win over a poor Monaghan side.
Showing 15 changes from the side that carved out a win over Fermanagh last weekend in the NFL, Tyrone had it all too easy as they booked a place in the final against Donegal.
Tyrone were on easy street with goals by man of the match Stephen O'Neill (9th) and Declan Treanor (14th) helping to ease them into a commanding 2-6 to 0-5 interval lead.
Earlier Tyrone almost bagged a third goal in the 19th minute but Tommy McGuigan and Treanor were thwarted in quick succession in a goalmouth scramble.
Frustration in the Monaghan team surfaced in the 41st minute when Eoin Duffy was dismissed for a second yellow card offence after a 'clothes line' tackle on Martin Penrose.
Monaghan needed goals to get them out of trouble but in their only chance, Cormac McGinley did fantastically well on the goal line to deflect Donal Morgan's point blank effort over the bar.
But the night belonged to Dooher whose two brilliant points were the highlight of a classy display by the O'Neill County outfit.
Tyrone were a full nine points ahead, 2-10 to 0-7, when the biggest roar of the night greeted the introduction of long-time absentee Brian Dooher for the outstanding O'Neill.
Tyrone - J Curran; P McGurk, C McGinley, C McCrory; P Quinn, P Marlow, M Penrose; G Cavlan 0-1, K Hughes; A McCarron 0-1, T McGuigan 0-2, D Treanor 1-0; P Rouse 0-3, S O'Neill 1-5, N Gormley. Subs - D McDermott for P Marlow, C Colhoun 0-1 for D Treanor, B Dooher 0-2 for S O'Neill, P Jordan for C McCrory, M Murphy for K Hughes.
Monaghan - P McBennett; D Morgan 0-1, J Coyle, C Flanagan; JP Mone, J Hughes, S Fitzpatrick; P Finlay 0-3, V Corey; P Meegan 0-1, M Daly, E Duffy; R Woods, B McKenna 0-1, N Corrigan. Subs: S Gollogly 0-1 for M Daly, T Freeman 0-1 for R Woods, D Mone for P Meegan, D McArdle for B McKenna, C McManus for J Coyle.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72757
QuoteMonaghan needed goals to get them out of trouble but in their only chance, Cormac McGinley did fantastically well on the goal line to deflect Donal Morgan's point blank effort over the bar.
Monaghan had 3 clear goal chances but failed to take any.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 14, 2007, 10:56:52 AM
If so could someone post the Donegal team sheet and I will post the Tyrone team when I get a chance. Then we can go to the match prepared.
I'll post the Donegal one sometime before the weekend. I'll be back at home on Friday morning so will stick it up then
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2007, 09:01:26 PM
Jaysus Orior, you should hear what we're listening to. Massive periods of silence
Know many Tyrone men who can wax-lyrical when their team's gettin ripped apart O' Neill?
Nudie Hughes is never short for a comment and even he struggled to put words on that performance!
Did Banty make any comment after the game?
Quote from: thebandit on February 14, 2007, 12:39:01 PM
Did Banty make any comment after the game?
Irish news interview: He questioned the attitude of players who never looked like matching the Tyrone Hunger.
"our attitude wasn't right and we got it horribly wrong"
Tyrone
1 Pascal
2 Dermot Carlin
3 Sean Cavanagh
4 Christy Colhoun
5 Colm Donnelly
6 Niall Gormley
7 Davy Harte
8 Kelvin Hugher
9 Kevin Hughes
10 Paul Marlow
11 Ryan Mellon
12 Michael murphy
13 Mugsy
14 Ciaran McCrory
15 Aiden McCarrom
16 Curran
17 Daisy McDermott
18 Michael McGee
19 Cormac McGinley
20 Enda McGinley
21 Tommy McGuigan
22 Paul McGurk
23 Ricey (Suspended. Could be C Gormley?)
24 Stephen O'Neill
25 Martin Penrose
26 Paul Quinn
27 Paul Rouse
28 Declan Trainor
29 Brendan Boggs
30 Cathal McCarron31 Brian Dooher
32 Colm CavanaghThis is how they have been lining out number wise. There might be changes to accomodate C Gormley, Dooher, Cavo and Jordan etc though they will usually be allocated high numbers and maybe the university 4 numbers which were usually 23/29/30/31. Cavlan was 29 last night.
Any 'ineligible' players appear last night? Or were they 'rested'?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 14, 2007, 01:26:35 PM
Any 'ineligible' players appear last night? Or were they 'rested'?
Most of them are playing Sigerson today Goats as were many of the Monaghan team. So suited everyone all round.
Think Donegal will be a big test - 11 finals since 92 and lost all 11...............never knew that one.
NFL game against them soon after and then the possibility of a Championship clash.
Know which one I'd soonest win.
Look a big strong side at the back and maybe have finally solved thier forward problems.
Big test will be mental vs Armagh. The win in the McKenna will count for nothing, especially as Donegals near championship side struggled to get past an our ma b squad
QuoteFormer captain Brian Dooher raised the roof at Kingspan/Breffni Park as Tyrone cruised their way into the McKenna Cup final with a facile 2-16 to 0-8 win over a poor Monaghan side
I thought Dooher was captain for this year again?
www.rte.ie/sport/2006/1230/dooherb.html
QuoteI thought Dooher was captain for this year again?
He is but in his absence MH has had to temporarily assign the captaincy to Ricey, Cavanagh or whoever. He'll re-assume captaincy on his full return which is where the confusion may arise.
Expect a huge battle this saturday. Donegal will be looking to lay down a marker. Tyrone are shit hot...
looks like the final is in Healy Park. Why do Tyrone get home advantage ?
Surely its the best venue for it, as I assume they flicked for it between Bally Bofey and Omagh.
Quote from: Jack Dempsey on February 14, 2007, 03:53:50 PM
looks like the final is in Healy Park. Why do Tyrone get home advantage ?
Don't know but Donegal got it three years ago when they tossed a coin (Cormac's last game). Heard Donegal are happy and relaxed about playing as it will be good preparation for League tie.
Omagh is the best venue for this game. What is the point in playing a game like this at a neutral venue?
Would mean a much smaller crowd.
Donegal are used to winning in Healy Park anyway.
Cavlan the real star of the show
14 February 2007
Tyrone turned on a tremendous team performance on Tuesday night, 13th of February when convincingly defeating Monaghan in the semi-final of this season's Dr. McKenna Cup.
Mickey Harte's side have definitely recovered their appetite for the game and some of the displays of the younger members of the squad shows the great 'strength in depth' of this present Tyrone side.
However, on the night the real stars of the show were ace marksman Stephen O'Neill – he finished the sides top scorer with 1-5 and the evergreen Gerard Cavlan.
Cavlan lined out in the midfield sector and was the dominating personality in that area. His positional sense, passing and all round play was worth the admission price on its own. He missed out on getting the 'man of the match' award, it went to Stephen O'Neill – but it must have been a close call!
With Cavlan, O'Neill showing top form, and Dooher and Jordan coming back to the fray things are really looking up for this Tyrone side, and it must be a serious worry to many of their key opponents so early in the season.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72776
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final
Tyrone 2-16 Monaghan 0-8
It was all too easy for Tyrone under lights at Kingspan Breffni Park on Tuesday evening as they steamrolled Monaghan to reach yet another McKenna Cup final. Mickey Harte took the opportunity to again look at players before he trims his panel and the men on duty once again did their bit to leave the management team with a difficult decision when it comes to whittling down the numbers soon.
Paul Finlay kicked the first wide of the contest before Monaghan opened the scoring in the third minute when Paul Meegan converted a twenty metre free after Rory Woods had been fouled. Moments later Seamus McEnaney's men were two points to the good after Brendan McKenna reacted first to a breaking ball to split the posts after Rory Woods' initial effort had been blocked by Paul Marlow. Martin Penrose then registered Tyrone's first wide of the night before Stephen O'Neill opened their account in the seventh minute from a thirty metre free. Monaghan were looking dangerous though in the opening stages of the contest and they should have had a goal when a superb Nicholas Corrigan pass put Rory Woods in the clear but Tyrone keeper Jonathan Curran came of his line and the Monaghan attacker fisted the ball tamely wide of the target. Tommy McGuigan had a Tyrone wide before the holders struck for the opening goal in the ninth minute. Declan Treanor won the Monaghan kick out and played the ball to Niall Gormley who sprinted clear before squaring the ball for Stephen O'Neill to palm it into an empty net.
Paul Meegan had a Monaghan wide before Stephen O'Neill put Tyrone three in front when he made no mistake from a "45". In the 14th minute Tyrone grabbed their second goal of the game to take a firm stranglehold of the contest. It all began at the back with Ciaran McCrory making a good clearance to Gerald Cavlan who in turn played a superb long ball into Stephen O'Neill, the full forward fisting the ball into the path of Declan Treanor who finished to the net past Monaghan keeper Padraig McBennett. Monaghan responded with a sweetly struck "45" from midfielder Paul Finlay but Stephen O'Neill quickly put half a dozen between them again with a fine effort with his right after again being the recipient of a perfect Gerald Cavlan pass. Niall Gormley had a Tyrone wide before Rory Woods won a free at the other end of the field and Paul Finlay made no mistake from the twenty five metre free. A good move involving Ciaran McCrory, Paul Marlow, Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse and Niall Gormley ended with the latter feeding the ball out for Tommy McGuigan to take a neat score.
Stephen O'Neill then made no mistake from a thirteen metre free out on the right wing as Tyrone continued to dominate proceedings. Another Paul Finlay "45" gave Monaghan temporary respite but it didn't last long with Declan Treanor laying the ball out for Paul Rouse to strike a superb score from out on the left wing. Paul Meegan and Nicholas Corrigan both kicked injury time wides as Tyrone led 2-6 to 0-5 at the break.
Straight from the restart Monaghan broke through the Tyrone defence and when Brendan McKenna set up Eoin Duffy he seemed destined to score a goal but Cormac McGinley made a great block to divert the danger. Substitute Damian McDermott and Stephen O'Neill both recorded wides before the latter made amends in the fifth minute after profiting from a superb Gerald Cavlan pass. Things got worse for Monaghan in the seventh minute when Eoin Duffy was sent off for a high tackle on Martin Penrose. Good work from Paul Quinn helped carve an opening for Aiden McCarron to point with Stephen Gollogly responding for Monaghan in the tenth minute. In the 14th minute Monaghan created another goal chance but again Cormac McGinley came to his side's rescue as he deflected Donal Morgan's shot over the bar. Monaghan failed to score for another twenty five minutes as Tyrone upped the tempo once more.
Tommy McGuigan hit a brilliant point from out on the right wing and that was followed by a Damian McDermott point after good approach play from Stephen O'Neill and Gerald Cavlan. Christopher Colhoun got his name on the score sheet after collecting a Paul Rouse pass before the Brackaville man turned finisher with a thirty metre free after Brian Dooher had been held of the ball. The Tyrone Captain had been introduced in the 19th minute of the half for club team mate Stephen O'Neill and he got a rousing reception from the Tyrone faithful. Paul Rouse then tagged on a neat point from play before the biggest cheer of the night greeted a wonderful strike from Brian Dooher with his left after a good move that involved Tommy McGuigan, Kelvin Hughes and Paul Rouse. Monaghan were struggling to even get the ball out of their own half and when Tommy McGuigan found Brian Dooher the latter again split the posts, this time with his right peg. Gerald Cavlan then became the ninth Tyrone player to get his name on the score sheet before Monaghan had the last say with a point from substitute Tomas Freeman.
This was another accomplished display from Mickey Harte's charges with all but four of their points coming from play. Its early days but the depth of talent at his disposal certainly augers well for the remainder of the season, All Star defender Philip Jordan another player who made his first appearance of the season on Tuesday night. Next up are Donegal under lights at Healy Park on Saturday evening in the final of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup, Tyrone bidding to retain the title for the fourth year in a row.
Tyrone – Jonathan Curran, Paul McGurk, Cormac McGinley, Ciaran McCrory, Paul Quinn, Paul Marlow, Martin Penrose, Gerald Cavlan, Kelvin Hughes, Aiden McCarron, Tommy McGuigan, Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse, Stephen O'Neill, Niall Gormley. Subs – Damian McDermott for Niall Gormley, Christopher Colhoun for Declan Treanor, Brian Dooher for Stephen O'Neill, Mickey Murphy for Kelvin Hughes, Philip Jordan for Ciaran McCrory
Monaghan – Padraig McBennett, Donal Morgan, James Coyle, Ciaran Hughes, JP Mone, Jason Hughes, Stephen Fitzpatrick, Paul Finlay, Vincent Corey, Mark Daly, Rory Woods, Eoin Duffy, Paul Meegan, Brendan McKenna, Nicholas Corrigan. Subs – Stephen Gollogly for Mark Daly, Tomas Freeman for Rory Woods, Dessie Mone for Paul Meegan, Dermot McArdle for Brendan McKenna, Conor McManus for James Coyle
Tyrone scorers – Stephen O'Neill 1-5, Paul Rouse 0-3, Declan Treanor 1-0, Tommy McGuigan 0-2, Brian Dooher 0-2, Christopher Colhoun 0-1, Aiden McCarron 0-1, Damian McDermott 0-1, Gerald Cavlan 0-1
Monaghan scorers – Paul Finlay 0-3, Donal Morgan 0-1, Paul Meegan 0-1, Stephen Gollogly 0-1, Brendan McKenna 0-1, Tomas Freeman 0-1
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=292
See Tyrone are looking for clearance for the University 4 to play in the MCKenna Cup Final. Does anyone know if Donegal have any players from the unversities who played in their respespective competetions and are now in the Donegal squad?
Karl Lacey,Paul Durcan and Michael Doherty have played with Sligo IT in all of the FBD League with the final against Galway to be played on Sunday.No other panel members are involved with 3rd level teams.
Can anyone post this article from the Irish News. I don't want to quote out of context when the Tyrone Chair states in relation to the McKenna Cup:
"Secondly, teams signing up to the competition should respect the integrity of the competition and its historical significance to the GAA in Ulster. It is my view that this is not currently the case. Teams should compete in the McKenna Cup to win it. Dr McKenna's memory deserves such respect"
Who do you think he is targeting this at?
QuoteWho do you think he is targeting this at?
Well he might mean the other 8 counties, who dilute their teams by not playing university players just because the Ulster council say they should. Or maybe he means Monaghan who allowed themselves be beaten. Or maybe Armagh, who obviously could win it if they wanted to, but who prefer that other Ulster cup named after a mere newspaper that is awarded in the summer.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 15, 2007, 05:55:01 PM
QuoteWho do you think he is targeting this at?
Well he might mean the other 8 counties, who dilute their teams by not playing university players just because the Ulster council say they should. Or maybe he means Monaghan who allowed themselves be beaten. Or maybe Armagh, who obviously could win it if they wanted to, but who prefer that other Ulster cup named after a mere newspaper that is awarded in the summer.
Usual shite from the Orchard I see!
We'll see who wins Ulster this year.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 15, 2007, 09:56:09 PM
We'll see who wins Ulster this year.
We will indeed Ziggy, it's just a shame that the three big guns are in the same side of the draw!!
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Quote from: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey?
Quote from: reddgnhand on February 15, 2007, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey?
That's
BEFORE 2001 ;)
Quote from: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Ulster Final 2002, 2004, 2006
All Ireland Semi 2003
Ulster first round 2005
Looks like it.
1993 was our last championship victory over Armagh (and that was a close thing the first day, with two John Duffy points in the final minutes saving us in the first game). Apart from that and the Ulster final of 1990, we don't have too many wins against Armagh over the past 25 years. We beat them in 1983, but they knocked us out in '81, 82' 84' and '87!
Quote from: J70 on February 16, 2007, 01:54:25 AM
Quote from: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Ulster Final 2002, 2004, 2006
All Ireland Semi 2003
Ulster first round 2005
Looks like it.
Therefore J70 the law of averages says that were due a win!!! ;)
1993 was our last championship victory over Armagh (and that was a close thing the first day, with two John Duffy points in the final minutes saving us in the first game). Apart from that and the Ulster final of 1990, we don't have too many wins against Armagh over the past 25 years. We beat them in 1983, but they knocked us out in '81, 82' 84' and '87!
Quote from: ziggysego on February 15, 2007, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on February 15, 2007, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey?
That's BEFORE 2001 ;)
They drew the 1st day, coming from 7 points down, can't remember where the replay was!?
Tyrone McKenna Cup Final Team
P McConnell,
P McGurk, C McGinley, M McGee,
D Harte, C Gormley, P Quinn,
Kevin Hughes, G Cavlan,
T McGuigan, C McCullagh, C Colhoun,
R Mellon, S O'Neill, D McDermott
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 16, 2007, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 15, 2007, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: reddgnhand on February 15, 2007, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: Uladh on February 15, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Have armagh beaten donegal every year in the championship since 2001?
Did they not beat them in 1999 Ballybofey?
That's BEFORE 2001 ;)
They drew the 1st day, coming from 7 points down, can't remember where the replay was!?
Clones as far as I remember. Marsden's goal that day with ten minutes to go after we came back to level was an absolute sickener!
Very interesting team. Glad to see MH sticking to his prinicples of giving everyone a fair chance this year, and good to see Cavo keep his place.
Cavanagh, Jordan, Dooher, Mugsy, Enda all to play a part at some stage if necessary.............................
Ricey, Brian McGuigan, Gourley and Holmes all to come back in next month too. Not to mention Cavanagh jnr etc
Future looks good.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Final Team
P McConnell,
P McGurk, C McGinley, M McGee,
D Harte, C Gormley, P Quinn,
Kevin Hughes, G Cavlan,
T McGuigan, C McCullagh, C Colhoun,
R Mellon, S O'Neill, D McDermott
is this the confirmed team?
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on February 16, 2007, 02:37:50 PM
Sean Cavanagh has been dropped from the panel. Match is on live on TG4.
. Why?
Cavanagh dropped? where did you hear that at?
very unlikely i would say.
Quote from: tyroneboi on February 16, 2007, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Final Team
P McConnell,
P McGurk, C McGinley, M McGee,
D Harte, C Gormley, P Quinn,
Kevin Hughes, G Cavlan,
T McGuigan, C McCullagh, C Colhoun,
R Mellon, S O'Neill, D McDermott
is this the confirmed team?
Yes
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=294
Harte makes eight Tyrone changes
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has shuffled his pack again for Saturday evening's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final against Donegal at Healy Park (1930 GMT).
The side shows eight changes from Tuesday's semi-final win over Monaghan.
Pascal McConnell returns in goals in place of Jonathan Curran while Michael McGee, Davy Harte and Conor Gormley are included in the defence.
In the attack, Colm McCullagh, Christopher Colhoun, Ryan Mellon and Damien McDermott earn starts.
Ciaran McCrory, Paul Marlow and Martin Penrose drop out of the defence after starting against Monaghan while the forward changes see Aidan McCarron, Declan Treanor, Paul Rouse and Niall Gormley losing their starting places.
Donegal manager Brian McIver will not announce his team until shortly before Saturday's throw-in because of fitness doubts surrounding a number of players.
Dropped from the panel, or just rested and on the bench?
Mugsy rested too I see.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2007, 06:54:46 PM
Dropped from the panel, or just rested and on the bench?
Mugsy rested too I see.
Here's what Sean Cavanagh said re County Board; http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_6360000/newsid_6368600/6368681.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 16, 2007, 07:06:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2007, 06:54:46 PM
Dropped from the panel, or just rested and on the bench?
Mugsy rested too I see.
Here's what Sean Cavanagh said re County Board; http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_6360000/newsid_6368600/6368681.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm
I'd hardly say that is the reasoning for Cavanagh dropped for this game.
Rare form, Mac Eoghain. Can't understand why a Moy man would come on and say Moy's Cavanagh has been dropped from the panel.
Moy has been annexed by Armagh, it was all part of the deal involving the PSNI coming into Crossmaglen.
Who's the new captain? - Dooher, Ricey and Cavanagh out.
Is the match definitely on tg4 live lads.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
Who's the new captain? - Dooher, Ricey and Cavanagh out.
It was O'Neill last week, so I'd imagine it would be him tonight again.
Why are Tyrone playing at home in omagh. Isn't fair! This ment to be a final.
14 man Tyrone 7 up with 10 to go....Hughes the man off, McCullough with thr goal.
2 smashing goals! Donegal are poor!
Just in lads, what's the report?
Final score Tyrone 2-9 Donegal 0-5
Poor enough first half, two frees pointed at the start of the second half looked like Donegal would make a game of it but the last 25 minutes were all Tyrone. McCullagh's Omagh & Newry Town FC experience provided him with the goal & subsequent celebration, Sean Cavanagh took his goal at the end, Gerard Cavan was top dog & a well deserved man of the match.
Tyrone 2-9 0-5 Donegal
Christy Colhoun is opposed Donegal's Paddy McConigley and Brian Roper
Tyrone won the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup for the fourth year in a row by beating Donegal at Healy Park on Saturday.
The Red Hands had Kevin Hughes sent-off for two yellow but soon afterwards got their first goal when Colm McCullagh netted a left-foot shot on 54 minutes.
Sean Cavanagh got Tyrone's goal late on with the match already won.
Brendan Devenney got three points for Donegal while Cathal McCarron landed three for Tyrone and Pomeroy prospect Christy Colhoun chipped in with two.
Davy Harte, Ger Cavlan, Sean Cavanagh and McCullagh got the rest of the points for Mickey Harte's men.
Kevin McMenamin and Colm McFadden scored points for Donegal.
The dismissal of Hughes looked harsh and after the game Tyrone boss Harte called for the second yellow card to be rescinded.
"To me it was totally accidental. He was going for the ball and the lad tripped over his feet," said harte.
"I would hope it can be looked at again."
Thanks!
Great stuff altogether ;D
Gerard Cavlan was top dog -- good one Fionntamhnach!!
Very Appropriate!
QuoteCathal McCarron landed three for Tyrone
Is he not one of the collage fellas?
Poor first half, that Donegal will kick themselves over. Should have had the game finished up by then, only for missing a sinful of points.
Tyrone were much the better team in the second half, with Calvan being my MOTM. Great points from McCarron and super goals from McCullagh and Cavanagh.
Thought that Hughes second yellow was harsh and the replay footage when I got home proved that.
As to the comment about it being an unfair home advantage to Tyrone. Two points to add to that:
1) Donegal had home advantage in 2004
2) Crossmaglen get home advantage in the Armagh County Championship final every year
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 17, 2007, 10:28:49 PM
QuoteCathal McCarron landed three for Tyrone
Is he not one of the collage fellas?
No McCarron is a Tyrone player who goes to St Marys and has never played for them. (I thought he got 4 points). McCaul on the other hand has recently played for UUJ and also played for Tyrone tonight. Could be some controversy ahead. That's all some journalists were interested in after the match. The Ulster Council will probably await the referees report and then decide what action (if any) to take.
Very poor first half with Donegal in particular shooting a lot of wides. Their shooting was terrible. I thought it was that they weren't used to the lights but then they played well enough under them in the National League recently. Main action of first half was the replacement of C McGinley as he had picked up a yellow and tick. Tyrone led 0-4 to 0-2 at half time and when Donegal leveled after HT it looked like game on. Tyrone came to life in the second half just before and after Kevin Hughes was sent off for two yellows. From then on you would have thought Donegal had the man short. O'Neill and Mugsy came on to assist the cause and O'Neill played the remainder of the game very deep. Wouldn't read too much into the result as Tyrone were in a similar position in 2004 and Donegal recovered to collar them in the Championship a few weeks later. However it was yet again an experimental Tyrone side who came through in the end.
Some of the shooting by Devenney reminded me of a Division 4 club match. And Tyrone can shove their soccer skills where the sun dont shine.
Quote from: Orior on February 17, 2007, 11:22:24 PM
And Tyrone can shove their soccer skills where the sun dont shine.
What under the floodlights Orior?
Now Now Orior,
Its only the McKenna Cup.
Some interesting performances.
Colhoun's direct running and speed of thought was impressive. McCarron knows where the posts are, although I see similarities with Mark Harte. Devenney roasted McGinley with the first ball he got and dragged him everywhere. Cormac is a horses for courses fella. Could probably handle Donaghy and Clarke but the likes of Devenney or Gooch would destroy him.
For all the euphoria at home at the plethora of talent, I'll still maintain that our best starting line-up is the 2005 team minus PTG. Up front we were rather toothless first half. Plenty of 'Penrose' type footballers.
Cavlan has it still.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 17, 2007, 09:00:50 PM
2 smashing goals! Donegal are poor!
Everyone has been talking us up for the past two weeks, after writing us off after the Armagh game. Now the backlash will start again.
We'll see what the summer brings, but building a team like Donegal up after a couple of league games or dismissing us as no-hopers after a McKenna Cup game is nonsense. Hopefully McIver will make good use of the lessons learned tonight. That's the most important thing in the long run.
" I'll still maintain that our best starting line-up is the 2005 team minus PTG"
Maybe but i'd go for Cavlin over Hughes/Holmes anyday and McCullagh/Mellon is a no brainer!
Did anybody record the game off TG4? I set the dvd but on the wrong channel! :(
2005 team is a strong team without doubt.
However its nice to have like men like Mulgrew, Cavanagh, Marlowe, Carlin, Cavlan, Hughes, McCaul all pushing for places thats something we didnt have in 2005. These players would get into any county team in the land.
Anyone know when he will pick his squad? and how many he intends to pick?
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 18, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
Anyone know when he will pick his squad? and how many he intends to pick?
From his interviews Mickey intends to have a panel of around 36/37 of which he will name 30 on match day. He has a panel of around 45 at the moment so he will lose around 8/9. I'd say he has a fair idea of those 8/9 at this stage and they will hear very very shortly.
Tyrone set for Council showdown
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6373463.stm
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0000c25510dr.jpg)
QuoteHowever its nice to have like men like Mulgrew, Cavanagh, Marlowe, Carlin, Cavlan, Hughes, McCaul . These players would get into any county team in the land.
??? ??? ???
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2007, 02:36:19 PM
Tyrone set for Council showdown
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6373463.stm
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0000c25510dr.jpg)
Harte's an awful p***k.
Try again Pint. It appears that the first post on every new page disappears :'(
QuoteTyrone set for Council showdown
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.
I said, Harte's an awful p***k.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 04:53:03 PM
QuoteTyrone set for Council showdown
Tyrone are set for another disciplinary showdown with the Ulster Council over their decision to play two students in Saturday's McKenna Cup final.
It comes just three weeks after Tyrone had points deducted for fielding four university players against derry in the group stage of the competition.
The Red Hands made late changes to their announced line-up to include Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul.
They beat Donegal 2-9 to 0-5 in the final at Healy Park.
Ulster Council spokesman Martin McAvinney said they would be examining the referee's report before deciding what action to take.
"The report is the key. We will look at what is in it in relation to the regulations which we put in place for the Dr McKenna," he said.
"Everybody signed up to those regulations as such, although we are aware that there were problems with our regulations or things that needed to be changed in them."
McCaul and McCarron were not included in the team announced by Tyrone on Friday.
But they both started as Mickey Harte's men went on to win the cup for a fourth successive year.
I said, Harte's an awful p***k.
Naw I would have said he's more like a "thorn". Ask Joe Kernan ;)
The whole game can now be viewed on TG4 Website. Click the link below
http://www.tg4.tv/
and then choose: Spórt - Cartlann
I'm not Joe's biggest fan but with Harte, the Omagh shutout and now all this with the McKenna cup, he's a p***k, pure and simple.
QuoteI said, Harte's an awful p***k.
So you've been down the front of his trousers checking??
QuoteI'm not Joe's biggest fan but with Harte, the Omagh shutout and now all this with the McKenna cup, he's a p***k, pure and simple
He's also the best manager in Ireland tho, so I think we'll put up with him for another while.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2007, 06:37:25 PM
QuoteI said, Harte's an awful p***k.
So you've been down the front of his trousers checking??
Nah I'll leave the ball licking to you lot.
Would you ever get over yourself Pint, should you not be on the Cross Bandwagon By now anyway.
Um, I'm from silverbridge, so I think the chances of me jumping on the "cross bandwagon" are somewhere between slim and none.
I note no one is fit to justify Harte's actions.
QuoteI note no one is fit to justify Harte's actions.
If we thought you were talking anything other than sh*te we might have a go.
So you're perfectly happy for him to break the rules not once, but twice.
You're perfectly happy to have him take an internal disagreement to the media? i.e. omagh shutout.
No one and nothing is perfect Pint, not even your Anti - Everything Tyrone Agenda.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 18, 2007, 08:06:08 PM
So you're perfectly happy for him to break the rules not once, but twice.
You're perfectly happy to have him take an internal disagreement to the media? i.e. omagh shutout.
Harte did what he did in the interest of Tyrone football. I have no problems with that. Regarding taking an internal disagreement to the media i again have no problem with that either. The only one who seems annoyed by it is yourself pint.
Interests of tyrone football me arse.
Pints is right. as has been pointed out on another thread, harte has a panel of about 45 players at the minute and he absolutely has to see these 2 play in a meaningless mckenna cup match? he was even so clandesdine as to not name them in advance.
This is nothing short of the peacock showing his feathers. c**k being the operative word.
Well done Mickey Harte. Found out a lot more about the fringe players on Saturday against a relatively strong and previously unbeaten Donegal team. I'd be much more confident now of throwing them into the likes of Cork in the league. Spot on again, leader.
Surely if Tyrone were deducted points for playing certain players in a previous round of the competition, a similar punishment should be issued for this game i.e. the McKenna Cup stripped off them. Was Harte oblivious to the Ulster Council's stance a few weeks ago? Is he and Tyrone above the law? Does Harte get to do what he wants all the time?
Interests of tyrone football me arse.
Pints is right. as has been pointed out on another thread, harte has a panel of about 45 players at the minute and he absolutely has to see these 2 play in a meaningless mckenna cup match? he was even so clandesdine as to not name them in advance.
This is nothing short of the peacock showing his feathers. c**k being the operative word.
Quote from: Will Hunting on February 19, 2007, 08:24:07 AM
Surely if Tyrone were deducted points for playing certain players in a previous round of the competition, a similar punishment should be issued for this game i.e. the McKenna Cup stripped off them. Was Harte oblivious to the Ulster Council's stance a few weeks ago? Is he and Tyrone above the law? Does Harte get to do what he wants all the time?
The previous penalty seemed to be over choice. This time, there is no choice - the unis are out and they've not played for them in this competition so can't see any rule-breaking. I don't think anyone really cares anyway, (apart from the Orangemen!!).
People do care, Mickey Harte has shown blatant disregard for rules again and the way he went about it was devious too.
The people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week? Not where they should have been is the answer. I know one boy played but what about the rest?
The unis are out - yes they're out of the mckenna cup but that's not the point. There's a whole league to blood players. The whole think stinks in my opinion. Mickey Harte is a great tactically astute manage - possibly one of the best there's ever been. His attitude at times however stinks. This is one of those times.
He is cutting of his nose to spite his face too. All the uni players he picked would have played all games for their unis. Now they have played about one and a half each for Tyrone. Which would have benefited them more? All he had to do was send a scout to the games they played in - problem solved.
Next year the ulster council should have a penalty system. If players are picked for their uni then if a county also picks them they will be fined and the players not allowed to play in the competition.
Some of them boys might not play sigerson this year now and it looks like the Poly could win it. They may never get that chance again now. Shame.
Quote from: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
This time, there is no choice - the unis are out and they've not played for them in this competition so can't see any rule-breaking.
It shouldn't matter if the Unis are out - it is still the same competition!
The basic point in all this is that Mickey Harte wants to show that he can do whatever he wants - all the time. That's what this is about. Harte has to be right all the time. This was vindicated by his post-match interview on Saturday night. His main concern was going on about how Kevin Hughes shouldn't have received a second yellow card and it should be rescinded immediately. I hope the Ulster Council were watching and called an emergency meeting to sort this out for Mickey!! By the way, if you trip someone from behind with no eyes on the ball, what else could it have been other than a yellow card??
QuoteThe people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week?
I'm sorry but that's crap. You should ask the players themselves what they'd rather play in and for. There were a few Tyrone county players playing last week in the Sigerson games.
QuoteMickey Harte has shown blatant disregard for rules again
Ok, state the ruling that Mickey broke in the final
QuoteThere's a whole league to blood players
With a panel the size of Mickey's and with the increased importance of the NFL this year, that's not the case. Throw in the plethora of injured established players he needs to get fit again, all competitive games were of high importance.
QuoteNow they have played about one and a half each for Tyrone
Wrong. Throw in the McKenna games and the early NFL games, they've seen plenty of football.
QuoteAll he had to do was send a scout to the games they played in - problem solved.
Wrong. If that was the case you'd just pick players straight out of club football and throw them into the county side as they've been 'watched' . You need to see players playing your system, alongside the same county players and against opposition of a similar standard.
QuoteSome of them boys might not play sigerson this year now and it looks like the Poly could win it. They may never get that chance again now. Shame.
If I were you I'd keep your powder dry for now.
Quote from: Will Hunting on February 19, 2007, 09:00:07 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 19, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
This time, there is no choice - the unis are out and they've not played for them in this competition so can't see any rule-breaking.
It shouldn't matter if the Unis are out - it is still the same competition!
The basic point in all this is that Mickey Harte wants to show that he can do whatever he wants - all the time. That's what this is about. Harte has to be right all the time. This was vindicated by his post-match interview on Saturday night. His main concern was going on about how Kevin Hughes shouldn't have received a second yellow card and it should be rescinded immediately. I hope the Ulster Council were watching and called an emergency meeting to sort this out for Mickey!! By the way, if you trip someone from behind with no eyes on the ball, what else could it have been other than a yellow card??
No, Mickey was embarrassingly wrong there regarding Hughes. A Wenger moment.
As with most controversies, good will come from it. The Ulster council will tighten up its rulings for 2008....and maybe also they'll not force certain teams to play in the competition when they ask not to.
What have the early NFL games got to do with the McKenna cup? Solely McKenna cup games they've got about a game and a half.
Who would they rather play for? I'd say they'd rather play for both. In a number of cases that was taken away from them.
Ok I don't know the written rules but surely it's something surrounding universities get precedence for county players.
The point is not who they'd rather play for. Everyone aspires to play for their county- that's the ultimate goal. Going through uni they would also be mad keen to play ball for their university. The players have had their hand forced as to who to play for.
When them boys play mckenna cup they're playing against county players so if they played for their uni they were still doing that. If they were scouted at club level ultimately all they were doing was playing against other club players. Play for uni against county players - you prove yourself against county players. Play for county against county players - you prove yourself against county players . Play club matches - you prove yourself against club players. There's a difference.
Stay off the powder for now... wise up. Mayeb I'm going a bit far saying they'll not get another chance to win sigerson. There is a possibility though. They've all their careers to play for tyrone. Two or three for university. Elaborate... Where was Colm Kavanagh last wednesday? Where would he have been had he played mckenna for tyrone...
QuoteCollege kid Cathal reckons he made the right call
By Ronan Scott
Tyrone rookie Cathal McCarron has expressed his disappointment at the flood of negative press that surrounded his inclusion on Mickey Harte's McKenna Cup side against Derry.
McCarron was delighted at being offered a place in his county set up, a boyhood dream of his, but the whole situation was marred when the Red Hands came under fire for breaking competition rules.
"It was good to be part of the team but the whole situation was ruined by all the talk in the newspapers. Every day you picked up a paper there was something else being written about it," he said.
"Tyrone is the team you want to be playing for and everyone at my university knew that when I was offered a chance to play for Tyrone that is what I would be doing. In fact a lot of boys at Jordanstown told me they would do exactly the same thing if they were in my situation."
The vicious debate centred around the rules stating that universities were supposed to have first choice on their players. Mickey Harte railed against that interpretation of the rules while former Tyrone trainer Paddy Tally commented that any footballer choosing to play for their county would risk their place on his St Mary's side ahead of the Sigerson Cup competition.
St Mary's student McCarron, along with Jordanstown's Damian McCaul, Colm Cavanagh and Brendan Boggs all accepted the call from Harte to play for Tyrone and were duly selected. As a result the Tyrone county board is expected to be punished but the county will remain in the competition. Their game on Sunday against Cavan was under threat of being postponed but Tyrone took a step back and revealed that they would not field any students in that game.
All this was extremely disappointing for McCarron who only wanted to play football for the county he loves, and to add insult to injury he expressed disappointment that his name wasn't even included on last Sunday's programme.
"It was a big day for me and a lot of people were texting me before the game to wish me well. But to get there and my name was not on the programme was a big let down," he said.
That disappointment must have helped him though as he went on to score a goal and three points against Derry.
"I found that playing in the McKenna Cup was a real step up. I was very sore the day after. People say that the competition is not up to the pace but I don't agree with that. The players in the senior team are top professionals and playing alongside Owen Mulligan was a real honour," he said.
Tyrone were the better team with fairly good reward from scoring opportunities presented.We should have been outta sight at half time and by my reckoning had 13 missed chances in the first half alone.It's absolutely dire for county players to kick four shots weakly into the keeper's hands whilst 8 of the 9 wides were relatively staight forward point chances.Played very well defensively in the first fifteen minutes and 3 of the four Tyrone points in the opening half were via unforced errors by Donegal men.The confidence drain in front of goal was confirmed in the second half and the sending off as is so often the case benifited the 14 men of Tyrone.The last goal put a gloss on the scoreline with the last attacks by Donegal focussing solely on trying to raise a green flag.Mc Iver could have put Hegarty on much earlier as the supply to Devenney and Wappa dried up in the second half.I still think based on the first half display that we can beat the Dubs in the Park on Sunday provided we bring some shooting boots with us.Hopefully this defeat does'nt set the confidence back too far as two points on Sunday should see us safe for next year regardless of what happens in the rest of the league.Anyway 12 finals and counting...............................
Ciaran Sharkey 6.5 Kickouts were good but feel he should have been quicker out to close down Mc Cullagh and hopefully Michael Boyle will start on Sunday
Frank Mc Glynn 7.5 Really tightly marked the speedy corner forward and hopefully has'nt pulled the hamstring when subbed
Paddy Campbell 6.5 What himself and Barry Monaghan were doing so far out of position for their first goal beggars belief.Will be under pressure from Neil Mc Gee for the full back spot as the year progresses.
Eamon Mc Gee 6.0 Not a natural corner back with some very loose marking.The constant positional changes have caused his form to dip and is not the same player as last year.
Barry Dunnion 8.0 Our best player who constantly broke forward and took a fair few hits in the process.Absolute beast of an engine.
Barry Monaghan 6.5 Played well in first half but was lost as extra man and AWOL for goal.Talk of a midfield berth is wide of the mark as too one paced.Found himself in central position 40m out and opted to pass when simple point chance on offer.
Paddy Mc Conagely 7.0 Good opening and played well throughout but if his man broke the tackle could be caught for pace.Still has realistic chance of wing back position come the Summer.
Neil Gallagher 7.0 Some fine fetches in first half but still not fully up to match pace.Caught in possession and slow to release early ball in.
Kevin Cassidy 6.5 Not as effective in attacking sense mainly foraging around midfield and obviously not able to keep up with Cavanagh's forward runs
Christy Toye 6.0 Our half forward line this year are not getting enough scores and some time on the bench might get them to re-focus.Seems to have carried last years dull form into 2007.Toye's ability not showing up in games.
Ciaran Bonner 7.0 Never stopped but has been more effective starting in the corner and allowed to roam.
Brian Roper 6.5 Another foraging role and along with Bradley improved our breaking ball stat. but this meant that we really had only two out and out forwards in Dev and Wappa.
Kevin Mc Menamin 6.5 Once again with Dev received good ball in first half but unlike against Mayo it was out on the 40.Both he and Devenney require this ball within 30m of goal as they both can turn and make space for a shot only briefly before being closed down.No capacity to score from long range.
Brendan Devenney 7.0 Guilty of kicking two hurried left foot efforts that barely trundled intp Mc Connels hands.Far too hasty and no composure when kicking.Could see the teams confidence begin to drain with every failed effort on his part.However kept going till end and certainly has hunger back to do well.Less evidence of the trademark whinging as well.
Ryan Bradley 6.0 Given the job of scrapping for breaks and tracking back on Tyrone attacks so ability to do score limited.Should be given start on Sunday on the wing in best position.
Subs: Colm Mc Fadden 6.5 Took point well but contributed patchily in remaining minutes as game became scrappy.
Tommy Donoghue 7.0 Sound and should start ahead of Mc Gee at the moment
Michael Murphy and Michael Hegarty not on long enough to rate.
Great win and will be interesting to see the final panel. Cavlan was brilliant and after his showing against monaghan on Tuesday it seems he is back to his best. As for the criers on about college players, sry up. The colleges are out of the competition and even so I still believe tyrone shouldnt have been docked 2 points after the derry game, but thats in the past. At the end of the day all the players are from Tyrone, and those who are whinging should really concentrate their efforts on supporting their own county sides, a hint of jealousy at the talent coming though in Tyrone. A great win in the McKenna cup final with a team that was missing a large number of its stars. It bides well for the future!
Quote from: ONeill on February 17, 2007, 11:45:00 PM
For all the euphoria at home at the plethora of talent, I'll still maintain that our best starting line-up is the 2005 team minus PTG. Up front we were rather toothless first half. Plenty of 'Penrose' type footballers.
Cavlan has it still.
I think this pretty much summarises it particularly well.
It wont be until the summer and the heat of the championship until we know if these new guys have the stomach for the battle as opposed to the core of players that we know do have what it takes.
In reality the match on Saturday night was quite a poor affair with the scoreline flattering Tyrone in my opinion. Donegal were the much more prominent team in the first half and should have been in the ascendancy at half time, they panicked when they realised they had dominated the game but not translated this on to the score board.
absolutely lads but we have a fair idea who dosent have the belly for it after last year. you cant use midsummer arguements to criticise lads who are doing everything for us at the moment. I thought Mc Caul was our best defender at the back on Saturday, particularly when we were under pressure.
QuoteAll he had to do was send a scout to the games they played in - problem solved.
That's how half-assed counties do it but not Tyrone. Watch & learn.
Mc Caul is growing in stature with every game, I believe Harte has unearthed a real cracker there. Cavlan is the best footballer in Ireland at the moment, if he keeps it up it will be an all star year for him. Mc Ginley worries me greatly. Forward line took a long time to get going. Hub Hughes is not at the races this year at all lads.
Was that Hubs second or third sending off this year? Isn there a rule about 3 sendings-off which carries a longer suspension?
Derry 06 cship striking
fermanagh 07 2 yellows
Donegal Mc kenna Cup 2 yellows (second one should be appealed it was not a bookng imo)
but still 3 sendings off in his last 6 games for Tyrone. This needs to be corrected.
In my opinion Hub Hughes has slowed up too much and lacks the power he had 4 years ago(2003). this was his strength. He had a good second half against Dublin, but over the amount of game time that he has had this year that would not be enough for me. I think he will make the panel but needs to buck up to be of any use to cavanagh alongside him. he has had a year out of football and i think he has struggled to get back to the level we all wish he was at. the sendings off are just an indication that its not going for him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 19, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
As for the criers on about college players, sry up.
The point, you total ass, is that harte has thumbed his nose at the ulster council and shown total disregard for rules adhered to by every other team who entered the competition. outside of that, noone cares about the ins and outs of how well the tyrone trials are coming along and how ye are gonna win the champions league and the cricket world cup.
Uladh I understand wher you are coming from. For many years now Armagh club football has been in crisis because of Big Joe holding it to ransom. Mickey harte dosent do this in tyrone, he is fallible and makes msitakes like big Joe but has some good points as well, you must admit.
i know the board is playing up and there is difficulty following threads, but you might as well have posted something about the planet venus as that shite. what are you on about?
i could harp on about Big joes impact on Armagh club football, but in fairness I see his good points and let him off. Why not do the same with Harte?
Hartes record speaks for itself, i'm not to sure how many minor all-ireland finals his team has contested as for senior well, contested two won two. as for big joe holding the county board to ransom I think thats shite..... he is the county board!
we are debating harte's disregard for rules and complete distain for the ulster council. did i miss something?
it's totally irrelevent to the state of armagh club football, which has produced 3 all ireland club titles in the last 10 years...
Uladh, your spouting of shite is nearly as annoying as a f**king cheeky girls song. Wind your neck in, Tyrone took their punishment for the fielding of uni players in the Derry game, and we have moved on. Point is, the uni's were no longer involved in the competition and if a player CHOOSES to make himself available to play for his County, who is Mickey Harte to stand in his way if the lad is good enough.
Quotewe are debating harte's disregard for rules and complete distain for the ulster council. did i miss something?
So Uladh.....please specify which rules
exactly MH has disregarded in fielding the McKenna final team.
Not your personal opinion, no mention of the 'spirit' of the cup but the actual rukles he has contravined.
Uladhs got a good point there, one that I am sypathetic with.... yes hes afraid that Tyrone are breaking rules however in this case the rules do no longer apply. As for Armagh Club football being strong. Do any of our other esteeemed Armagh contributors wish to back Uladh up on this? Im waiting!!!!
nrico
"Tyrone took their punishment for the fielding of uni players in the Derry game, and we have moved on. Point is, the uni's were no longer involved in the competition and if a player CHOOSES to make himself available to play for his County, who is Mickey Harte to stand in his way if the lad is good enough."
no son, by the rules, the uni players are unaviable to their county for the remainder of the competition. they were leniantly punished the last time and should be more harshly dealt with this time.
at no time has harte said that he wasn't breaking the rules, only that he doesn't agree with them. its only barroom barristers from the bushes on here who think that some fantastic legal loophole should be the answer every time another of their offspring breaks any rule.
Tyroneman
If they haven't broken any rules, why were they deducted points previosly and why didn't the litigious mr harte appeal?
Realhandfan
who claimed armagh club football was strong?
Quote from: Uladh on February 19, 2007, 01:41:07 PM
no son, by the rules, the uni players are unaviable to their county for the remainder of the competition. they were leniantly punished the last time and should be more harshly dealt with this time.
Lads, you're wasting your time here. There are some knowledgeable Armaghicans on the board. Unfortunately young Uladh here is the Armagh village idiot of the board.
He seems to think Tyrone played some players who played for the Unis during the competition.
Best just to nod.....the same way we did when he claimed Mickey hadn't 'the balls' to play the students.
(A serious word of advice for the lad, if you're going to use medium to big words, try to spell them correctly)
Listen........ thats the sound of Uladh ploughing a very lonely furrow..
I wouldn't have said it was a lone furrow - I'd have thought many people shared his views...
I hold nothing against Tyrone - quite like their style of football. The way they've behaved with regard to university players in this mckenna cup has been , in my opinion and I would't say I'm alone,slap bang out of order.
They didn't respect rules put in place for competition. They didn't respect those players as they put them in a position where they were probably aware they were screwed for county chances for the year, and possibly further, if they went against Mickey Harte and played university. They didn't respect the universities by not giving them thei rplayers in preparation for the sigerson campaign.
Spout all the bullshit you want about the rules. I don't know how finely detailed it was but the understanding of managers was that universities should have precedence on county players. Every other manager respected that - why not Mickey Harte. If you're saying it wasn't a rule but it wasn't written down explicitly and to the finest detail and was just assumed then I think that's being stupidly pedantic.
Forget petty grudges between tyrone - armagh and all the rest. They were slap bang out of order - and what did these players get for their trouble? About one and a half games in a tyrone setup and a severe hole in their chances of playing sigerson.
When are they even reducing their panel? Have they not still a big panel for the league? Training panel anyway - obviously for match day it'll have to be reduced.
Gas seeing all the anti Tyrone brigade suddenly cherishing the value of the McKenna Cup ajnd its rules and regulations. If this controversy didn't kick up they'd be on about how worthless it was and asking why Tyrone took it so seriously.
From Harte's point of view the competition has against proved to be a valuable one. The extra game was a bonus as it was another chance to see some lads in action. Maybe the Ulster council will order a reply of the final? That would suit Harte lovely too I dare say.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 19, 2007, 02:57:42 PM
Gas seeing all the anti Tyrone brigade suddenly cherishing the value of the McKenna Cup ajnd its rules and regulations. If this controversy didn't kick up they'd be on about how worthless it was and asking why Tyrone took it so seriously.
From Harte's point of view the competition has against proved to be a valuable one. The extra game was a bonus as it was another chance to see some lads in action. Maybe the Ulster council will order a reply of the final? That would suit Harte lovely too I dare say.
Surely the game has to be Donegal V Monaghan if Tyrone are thrown out of the competition?
QuoteThe people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week? Not where they should have been is the answer. I know one boy played but what about the rest?
Where were they? Two played (McCaul and Boggs), and one was injured (Cavanagh), hence why he didn't appear on Sat night. The other I am not too sure.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 19, 2007, 03:16:21 PM
QuoteThe people who have suffered most in this whole thing too is those players. Where were the most of them come sigerson last week? Not where they should have been is the answer. I know one boy played but what about the rest?
Where were they? Two played (McCaul and Boggs), and one was injured (Cavanagh), hence why he didn't appear on Sat night. The other I am not too sure.
Did Cavanagh not play for Jordanstown freshers on Saturday norf?
GMIT dump out UUJ17 February 2007
Eoin Concannon was the hero for Galway-Mayo IT as his side recorded a 3-12 to 2-13 All-Ireland Freshers semi-final win over UUJ at Garrison county Fermanagh.
Concannon scored a dramatic late goal to upset the vaunted visitors in a real thrilling encounter.
GMIT raced into an early lead with 1-2 from the boot of Donegal man Brendan McGuire but UUJ steadied themselves and eased their way back into the match thanks in the main to Tyrone youngster
Colm Kavanagh.GMIT enjoyed a 2-6 to 1-7 advantage with Mayo senior Aidan Campbell's goal setting them on the frontfoot.
UUJ Came out a revitalised outfit for the second half and held a one point lead with time almost up only for Concannon to spoil the party for the Ulstermen.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=72929
What say did the 9 county boards have in the decision to allow university sides to play in the competition?
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 19, 2007, 02:57:42 PM
Gas seeing all the anti Tyrone brigade suddenly cherishing the value of the McKenna Cup ajnd its rules and regulations. If this controversy didn't kick up they'd be on about how worthless it was and asking why Tyrone took it so seriously.
From Harte's point of view the competition has against proved to be a valuable one. The extra game was a bonus as it was another chance to see some lads in action. Maybe the Ulster council will order a reply of the final? That would suit Harte lovely too I dare say.
Seanie... noone gives a shite about the mckenna cup (except harte)... least of all the colleges from what i can gather. if you read carefully, you will see that the point i am making is larger one with respect to harte's total disregard for the ulster council and the rules of the association in general.
his count was already punished for exactly this infringement and yet e just doea the same thing again. they should be excluded from the competition next year.
Quotethey should be excluded from the competition next year.
probably the only way anyone else might win it! :D
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 19, 2007, 03:39:07 PM
Quotethey should be excluded from the competition next year.
probably the only way anyone else might win it! :D
And the McKenna's et al will go into hiding again :D :D :D Gaelic life and TG4 would love that NOT
QuoteGMIT raced into an early lead with 1-2 from the boot of Donegal man Brendan McGuire but UUJ steadied themselves and eased their way back into the match thanks in the main to Tyrone youngster Colm Kavanagh.
Is he a fresher? I thought he was in his last year?
QuoteAs for Armagh Club football being strong. Do any of our other esteeemed Armagh contributors wish to back Uladh up on this? Im waiting!!!!
RRHF - how are you measuring the strength of the club scene?
Armagh currently mightn't be the strongest, compared to Derry for instance, but it's not exactly the weakest either. Armagh's senior club won Ulster and is in the AI final (4th time in 10 years). The intermediate club reached the Ulster final and only last narrowly after a replay to Coleraine, who are now in the AI final. Didn't fare as well on the junior front, though An Portmor didn't disgrace themselves, winning their first round game and then only narrowly beaten (while missing 2-3 key players).
For fear of being tarred anti-Tyrone here, i agree with Uladh re. Mickey Harte's total disdain for the rules of the McKenna cup. It's not just the McKenna cup though, he's been acting a law onto himself this past couple of years. This is just another case of Mickey trying to bend/break the rules to suit himself. Inevitably the Tyrone posters here will defend his right to do so to the hilt, while some of the rest of us might view his actions in a slightly different light.
" Seanie... noone gives a shite about the mckenna cup (except harte)... least of all the colleges from what i can gather."
Boo Hoo Uladh, While your gathering, Gather up those Kleenex's that piling up around your feet. :'(
Your making a fool of yourself.
QuoteIf they haven't broken any rules, why were they deducted points previosly and why didn't the litigious mr harte appeal?
Once again Uladh...................quote me the rule(s) MH has broken. Not your opinion that he has - quote the actual rule.
yeah, day later, harte's still a p***k.
you'd think MH had done something to annoy you sout armagh ones pint!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 19, 2007, 08:41:48 PM
yeah, day later, harte's still a p***k.
A few extra sugars in your tea required pint. It might sweeten you up a bit.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 19, 2007, 08:41:48 PM
yeah, day later, harte's still a p***k.
::) Your intellectual ability knows no bounds!
As I said back at the time when he first played the lads.
Most people would agree (even ye biased fans) that Tyrone are in with a good chance of an AI this year.
If you were a young player coming into the squad and you knew that this could be your ONLY chance of winning an AI medal as the main core of the team may have reached their peak now,
Would you Opt to play for your UNI and just maybe win a sigerson but sit in the stand on AI final day.
Of course Mickey Harte and the players involved made a selfish decision but at the end of the year how do you judge a manager and a team. Hardly by some pre-season cup goodwill.
Quotemain core of the team may have reached their peak now
Mugsy, SON, Cavanagh, Ricey, McGuigan are all young enough and have at least another 3-5 years high level football in them.
Only Dooher and Cavlan are pushing close to 30
If Tyrone are found quilty of playing illegal players at the Ulster Council meeting tomorrow night, they will be thrown out of the McKenna Cup. The team manager, selectors and County Secretary can also be suspended for up to 52 weeks. The 2 players involved will also face long suspensions. There is no limit to the fine that can be imposed.
A heavey price to pay for the McKenna Cup?
http://www.gaa.ie/files/pdf/og_part_1_2007.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/files/pdf/og_part_1_2007.pdf)
Here's a link to a copy of the rules for Mickey.
Harte says no rules were broken
20 February 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte has remained defiant in the face of reports that the Ulster Council is considering awarding the McKenna Cup to defeated finalists Donegal.
The O'Neill County beat Donegal in last weekend's decider in Omagh but the decision to play two college players may see the Ulster Council rule that Tyrone infringed the rules of the competition.
"I can't see how they could justify taking the McKenna Cup away from us," the Tyrone boss commented.
"I don't understand how, if they didn't play with their colleges, they couldn't be eligible to play for Tyrone. They didn't play for their colleges because they wanted to play for their county.
"Just because they are studying at an institute it doesn't mean they should have to play with them. What if they didn't want to play?
"We're losing sight of something here. The McKenna Cup is an intercounty competition. The colleges are visitors and visitors don't dictate the rules."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73056
In 2004 the Ulster Council allowed Sean Cavanagh and Joe McMahon to play for Tyrone in later rounds after their Colleges (who they had played for) were knocked out. A Derry player even played for both Derry and his College. A rule was later introduced that players would no longer be able to play for both. Neither of these guys have played for both in this competition. They have only played for Tyrone. If Donegal had of used some of their players from Sligo IT/DCU etc in the McKenna Cup final would they be liable for the same infringement? (Granted they didn't as Sligo It were playing in their respective final)
"We have a lot of work to do,'' says McIver
20 February 2007
Donegal team-manager Brian McIver pointed to Kevin Hughes's red card as a galvanising factor for the Tyrone success in the Dr. McKenna Cup final at Healy Park, Omagh.
"At the stage where Kevin Hughes was sent off we were still very much in the game. Hughes departed from the scene and then you would have thought they had the extra-man in the last 15 to 20 minutes of the match. But we have to learn from that.
"We still have a lot of work to do in terms of our forward play. We had no direction or cohesion in the opening half, when there was a plentiful supply of ball going into the attack. I can't blame the defence or midfield for the opening half. But once we went behind coming up to the half-time break in a match we were dominating, we were always going to have an uphill battle.
"Losing a McKenna Cup final so early in the season is not a disaster. We can take some good points from this game, and hopefully learn from our mistakes, and put this to good use in the future,'' he concluded.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73047
Tipical Tyrone,always cheatin! Have u never herd of fairplay?? Even if offical rules werent broke theres rules of fairplay u no?? Tramps. Always draggin the GAA down.
Regardless of the moral rights and wrongs of the whole episode the past history would suggest that any decent barrister (wonder who hmmmmmm) would tear shreds in any argument the council try to put up.
The bottom line is the rules were not properly thought out in the first place and will have to be tightened next year.
Quote from: Armagh4SamAgain on February 20, 2007, 03:54:46 PM
Tipical Tyrone,always cheatin! Have u never herd of fairplay?? Even if offical rules werent broke theres rules of fairplay u no?? Tramps. Always draggin the GAA down.
Yeah, thanks for clearing that up. If I didn't know better I'd say the most plentiful fruit in the Orchard these days were the sourest of grapes!
Hear Canavan's looking to return to Tyrone but St Mary's, where he did his teacher training, won't let him. Any truth in this?
Na its only Armagh that may need to be taking back an o'l fella, sure you Armagh boys are well aware
that we in Tyrone have no end of talent coming through and therefore no need to be holding on to the past :D
"We're losing sight of something here. The McKenna Cup is an intercounty competition. The colleges are visitors and visitors don't dictate the rules."
I completely agree with MH here the colleges dont make the rules, but then again neither do the countys or their managers. It's up to the provinical associations. If the rules arent codified enough then Tyrone should receive no punishment, however if the rules are clear enough then they should recieve the same penalty that clubs and countys who have not had the success of Tyrone would recieve. Failure to do this will result in future problems for the association.
That point is the exact same point I made about 2 weeks ago after the Derry debacle. They should not be dictating when its an Inter-County competition. The players are from the county and wanted to play for their county. If they werent interested in playing for their universities, why should they?
Do you not think they'd maybe like to play for both and have their hands forced?
Quite possible that maybe that is the case, but they obviously made their choice to play for Tyrone and that should have been respected. It is an inter-county competition after all, and an ideal one for trying out players for the new season.
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup
Tyrone 2-9 Donegal 0-5
Tyrone retained the McKenna Cup at Healy Park on Saturday night when they had a surprisingly comfortable ten point victory over neighbours Donegal. The Red Hands once again fielded a mixture of youth and experience and again the formula produced a winning combination as Tyrone made it seven wins out of seven this season.
Donegal fielded a strong starting fifteen with Tyrone opting to start with only four players that featured in their All Ireland success of two seasons ago although their bench was laden with Celtic cross winners such as Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan, Owen Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill, the latter duo joining the action in the second half. Donegal dominated in terms of possession in the opening half but they contrived to miss chance after chance. They were inevitably made to pay as Tyrone got into their stride in the second half with some eye catching scores as they won with a bit to spare despite having Kevin Hughes sent off midway through the half.
Donegal went on the attack from the word go with midfielder Neil Gallagher bursting through before offloading to Ciaran Bonner but with a goal chance perhaps on the Tyrone defence managed to clear the danger. Brian Roper then kicked a Donegal wide while Brendan Devenney shot tamely into the arms of Pascal McConnell as the wastefulness of the visitors continued. It was Tyrone who opened the scoring in the fifth minute when Gerald Cavlan found Davy Harte and the halfback thumped over a great point from the right wing. Ciaran Bonner again dropped an effort short into Pascal McConnell before Donegal levelled matters in the eighth minute with a point from play from Brendan Devenney after he had collected a quick free from Christy Toye. Christopher Colhoun and Brian Roper exchanged wides while Donegal's inability to find the target continued as both Barry Monaghan and Kevin McMenamin again dropped shots short.
Cathal McCarron put Tyrone back in front from a forty metre free as the Red Hands made better used of their limited possession as Christy Toye, Brian Roper, Barry Devenney and defender Barry Dunnion adding to the visitors' growing tally of missed opportunities. Good work from Brendan Devenney saw him win a thirteen metre free which he converted himself to level matters, Donegal's first score in twenty two minutes. Gerald Cavlan then blocked Christy Toye and the ball was played to Christopher Coulhoun who ran through to put Tyrone in front with a well taken point. In first half injury time Tyrone made it 0-4 to 0-2 when Gerald Cavlan passed to Colm McCullagh before taking the return and hitting a brilliant point from out on the right wing to bring the first half action to a close.
In the second minute of the second half Donegal reduced the deficit when Kevin McMenamin converted a free and moments later they were level after Brendan Devenney made no mistake from a placed ball as well. At this stage the scene looked set for a ding dong battle but it never materialised as Donegal were to add only one more score to their tally. Tommy McGuigan and Christy Toye exchanged wides while Colm McCullagh was unlucky to see his free kick come back of the post. Good play from Christopher Colhoun saw him place Cathal McCarron for a well taken score in the eighth minute for a lead that Tyrone were never to lose. Good work at the back from Paul McGurk saw him break up a promising Donegal raid and that led to another Tyrone point as Gerald Cavlan's pass was helped on by Kevin Hughes into the path of Cathal McCarron who swept it over the bar. Donegal came straight down the field for substitute Colm McFadden to score with his first touch but that point in the 13th minute was to prove to be the visitors' last of the night. A surging Sean Cavanagh run up the left wing finished with the captain dissecting the posts while at the other end of the field Damien McCaul put in a great tackle to dispossess Kevin McMenamin.
Tyrone then lost midfielder Kevin Hughes to a second yellow card but within a couple of minutes they had struck for a goal. Man of the match Gerald Cavlan put a great ball through to Colm McCullagh and the Dromore man did the rest with a first time finish past Donegal keeper Ciaran Sharkey. Tyrone now had their tails up and by the twenty second minute the gap had grown to six after Colm McCullagh punished a foul on Stephen O'Neill by converting the resulting thirty metre free. Paul Quinn was then fouled on a sortie up front and Cathal McCarron brought his tally to four on the night when he knocked over the twenty five metre free from the left wing. By now Donegal were holding a beaten docket and they were denied a consolation goal when Pascal McConnell saved superbly from Brendan Devenney after the full forward had caught the ball and burst through. With the game a minute into injury time Sean Cavanagh capped a fine second half display from his team when he burst through the Donegal defence to send a low shot to the net via the post to complete a convincing victory.
Tyrone - Pascal McConnell, Paul McGurk, Cormac McGinley, Damien McCaul, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley, Paul Quinn, Kevin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Tommy McGuigan, Gerald Cavlan, Christopher Colhoun, Cathal McCarron, Colm McCullagh, Damian McDermott. Subs – Dermot Carlin for Cormac McGinley, Owen Mulligan for Tommy McGuigan, Stephen O'Neill for Christopher Colhoun, Colm Donnelly for Cathal McCarron, Mickey McGee for Paul McGurk
Donegal - Ciaran Sharkey, Eamon McGee, Paddy Campbell, Frank McGlynn, Paddy McConigley, Barry Monaghan, Barry Dunnion, Kevin Cassidy, Neil Gallagher, Kevin McMenamin, Brendan Devenney, Ryan Bradley. Subs – Colm McFadden for Brian Roper, Leon Thompson for Kevin McMenamin, Thomas Donaghue for Frank McGlynn, Michael Murphy for Ryan Bradley, Michael Hegarty for Christy Toye
Tyrone scorers – Cathal McCarron 0-4, Colm McCullagh 1-1, Sean Cavanagh 1-1, Davy Harte 0-1, Gerald Cavlan 0-1, Christopher Colhoun 0-1
Donegal scorers – Brendan Devenney 0-3, Kevin McMenamin 0-1, Colm McFadden 0-1
Referee – Joe McQuillan Cavan
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=295
This match can be viewed on www.tg4.ie on the webcast (if you live in Ireland)
Tyrone decision in limbo
22 February 2007
The Ulster Council of the GAA met on Wednesday night, 21st February but failed to come to a decision on Tyrone's decision to field college players in last weekend's McKenna Cup final against Donegal.
At the meeting, the referee's report from the final was read but afterwards the Council declared that the matter was 'ongoing.'
Reports suggest however that Tyrone are likely to be hauled before a disciplinary hearing with the possibility that they'll have their McKenna Cup triumph nullified.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73142
"they'll have their McKenna Cup triumph nullified" - Sounds painful!
Why is this still 'ongoing'?
Surely they should strip Tyrone off their "title", and leave it at that.
Strip away, Mickey's got what he wanted, a few extra competitive games to try out new players. I hardly think the McKenna Cup will be a big loss at the club functions at the end of the year when Sam comes visiting again :P
ulster council should take the cup away from tyrone and ban them from it next year
might teach micky hart some manners
spoken like a true ulster gael.
speaking about me?
micky hart only cares about himself and not the gaa
he and tyrone always try to bend the spirit of the rules
they and the gpa will destroy the gaa with their greed
is that yer man who was banging on about the drinking Mayobridge players were doing?
Quote from: true ulster gael on February 22, 2007, 06:44:39 PM
speaking about me?
micky hart only cares about himself and not the gaa
he and tyrone always try to bend the spirit of the rules
they and the gpa will destroy the gaa with their greed
He's right. McCracken didn't die for this.
Mickey Harte
23 February 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte says just because the O'Neill County didn't appeal the Ulster Council's original ruling that the county be docked two points for fielding college players in the McKenna Cup doesn't mean that the would-be winners accepted the decision. "Just because the previous ruling wasn't contested, that wasn't tantamount to acceptance, "Harte insisted."In the interests of the continuity of the competition, that was maybe why nothing happened at that time.
"I would have expected an appeal, but I would understand as well that if an appeal was going to hold up the competition and upset the whole scene for the rest of the year, then that had to be brought into consideration as well."But it certainly wasn't an acceptance of the previous ruling, that's for sure.
www.hoganstand.com
Hard fax missing as Tyrone row rumbles on over delay
Friday February 23rd 2007
QUESTIONS will again be raised about GAA bureacracy after the Ulster Council failed to deal with a player eligibility issue this week because they had not received the referee's report in time.
The issue related to the final of the McKenna Cup, which took place last Saturday, five days before Wednesday night's meeting. Referees have three days in which to submit their report and it is understood that Cavan official Joe McQuillan had done so but that there was a postal delay.
Ulster officials said yesterday that reports sometimes take five days to reach them.
Faxed
But questions will be asked about why the referee's report could not have been faxed or collected. Whenever there are disciplinary matters arising from a referee's report it is recommended that they fax it initially, before forwarding the final copy by post.
The GAA recently said that disciplinary procedures would be speeded up by letting referees email their reports, but this system is not yet in place.
The matter now looks likely to be shelved until after Saturday's Ulster Convention at which outgoing provincial chairman Michael Greenan will be replaced by Donegal's Tom Daly.
The matter involved Tyrone who are expected to face a sanction for breaching Dr McKenna Cup rules in last weekend's final.
The county fielded two university players - Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul - during their final win over Donegal on Saturday having earlier being docked points in the group stages for the same offence. Competition rules state that university sides should have first pick on players eligible for both teams.
But Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has repeatedly defended his decision to use college players and in this case said it was reasonable to do so as both of their universities had already been knocked out of the competition.
http://www.unison.ie/sportsdesk/stories.php3?ca=13&si=1782196&printer=1
Or he could have emailed the report?
McKenna Cup final controversy to be dealt with
28 February 2007
Donegal's Tom Daly's first job as the new Ulster Council Chairman will be to sort out the controversy surrounding Tyrone's use of college players in the recent Dr. McKenna Cup final. The issue wasn't dealt with last week because the Ulster Council hadn't received a copy of the referee's report. Daly says he is hoping to discuss the matter next week. "At the first opportunity we will be able to deal with the matter. I'm not certain if we will be able to deal with it early next week or not, said the Ballyshannon clubman who succeeded Michael Greenan at the week-end. Daly revealed that he can't deal with the matter until he first conducts some housekeeping duties. "The immediate things I have to concentrate on is re-establishing the provincial council's committees and deciding who will chair those committees over the coming term."That's work I will be doing this week with a view to formalising it at a council meeting on Tuesday, 6th of March. Later this week I will be meeting the new officers just to have a talk through how we will work together and organise things and agree the practical housekeeping things."For the coming couple of days, getting the committee structures sorted out and formalised is a priority,'' said Daly.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=73521
McKenna Cup final controversy to be dealt with......................When?............................still waiting................. ???
I thought Greenan looked pretty relaxed at the McKenna Cup Final. Obviously knew he would be long gone before the situation was sorted......... if it's ever sorted.
The article states it is Tom Daly's first job to sort it out. Then the article states that he can't do anything until "he first conducts some housekeeping duties".................. ::)
Tyrone mystified by one-liner
16 March 2007
Tyrone County Board Secretary Dominic McCaughey says the O'Neill County still hasn't been informed by the Ulster Council why they were stripped of the McKenna Cup.
The Ulster Council's Competition Control Committee decided at a meeting on Tuesday night last that Tyrone breached the GAA's Rule 114 regarding their team sheet.But McCaughey maintains they haven't been given an official explanation as to why the Cup has been taken off them.
"We were sent a one-line email saying that the game was forfeited and that's all we know," McCaughey explained.
And the Tyrone official says he couldn't say whether third-level college players Damien McCaul and Cathal McCarron were listed on the O'Neill County's team-sheet for the final.
"I wasn't at the game myself, so I'm not sure what happened. We are still waiting for notification and to get a look at the team sheet we submitted."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74301
Have a look at this statement on hoganstand. It's not often the County Secretary misses a Tyrone game, especially a final. Is he absolving himself of all blame? However it also begs the question why he was not at the game? Maybe he didn't agree with the teamsheet either?
QuoteHowever it also begs the question why he was not at the game?
It's a long shot but.... perhaps it's because County Secretaries also have families & lives outside of football?? ::)
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 16, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
QuoteHowever it also begs the question why he was not at the game?
It's a long shot but.... perhaps it's because County Secretaries also have families & lives outside of football?? ::)
Aw that explains it. Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of my post OTB. Good job the Tyrone managers, backroom team and players etc don't have families & lives outside of football too ::)
QuoteAw that explains it. Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of my post OTB. Good job the Tyrone managers, backroom team and players etc don't have families & lives outside of football too
The key responsibility of a county secretary is hardly being a spectator at every game.
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 16, 2007, 07:41:50 PM
QuoteAw that explains it. Thanks for such a comprehensive analysis of my post OTB. Good job the Tyrone managers, backroom team and players etc don't have families & lives outside of football too
The key responsibility of a county secretary is hardly being a spectator at every game.
Can't argue with you there OTB. I think you're doing the Tyrone County Secretary a disservice if you are stating that's all he does when he is at matches. As far as I'm aware in club games the secretary compiles and signs the team sheet. I'm assuming the same is the case for County games. I also think the tyrone secretary is involved in the administration of substitute changes etc. From his statement he is saying he was not there and hence does not know what the difficulty with the teamsheet was. I think what he is saying is fair enough. I just think if he was involved in compiling the team sheet there might not have been the error which occurred which allowed the Ulster Council to strip Tyrone of their title.
Tyrone to seek hearing
16 March 2007
The Tyrone County Board has confirmed that it is to seek an immediate hearing into the Ulster Council's decision to strip them off the 2007 McKenna Cup. Although the O'Neill County chiefs are still awaiting official confirmation of the reasons behind the Council's decision, they are to go ahead with an appeal. Tyrone have been punished because of irregularities with their team-sheet and not, apparently, because the team included third-level college players in its ranks."Apparently it's got nothing to do with the students," said Tyrone chairman Pat Darcy."We'll be seeking a hearing within the next three days."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74369
Tyrone win McKenna Cup appeal
Tyrone will get to hold on to the Dr McKenna Cup after all, following a successful appeal to Croke Park.
The county took their case to Dublin after the Ulster Council decided to strip them of their title over the unauthorised use of university players.
Tyrone beat Donegal in the final last month, but the council ruled that a proper teamsheet was not submitted.
It?s understood the Ulster Council may pursue the issue further over matters of technical interpretation.
Tyrone had previously been docked points from their win over Derry in the competition for fielding four college players, on whom the respective universities had first call, but still managed to top their group and qualify for the decider.
Students Cathal McCarron and Damien McCaul were in the starting line-up for the Healy Park final, despite not being named on the teamsheet.
Tyrone eased to a 2-9 to 0-5 victory over Donegal on 17 February.
Red Hands boss MIckey Harte defended his decision to play McCarron and McCaul in the game.
"I've no regrets - the players wanted to try out for Tyrone and I think it is good for their careers at their colleges and with the county," he said.
"I think it's every player's right to give their best for his county when the opportunity presents itself."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6485179.stm
Does that mean they have now won five in a row???
QuoteIt?s understood the Ulster Council may pursue the issue further over matters of technical interpretation.
For the love of God.....
Tyrone should melt it down now to stop the bloody think being handed backwards and forwards
Toss a coin no one really gives a crap , i'm sure the lads are more worried about finish in the bottom 4 of the league
absolutely wonderful news. The potential to win trophies 5 times this season is there. Tir eoghain abu!
Harte hits out at "petty" Council
28 March 2007
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has slammed the Ulster Council over the recent McKenna Cup controversy.
Tyrone were stripped of the pre-season Ulster title for failing to provide a proper team-sheet before the final against Donegal in Healy Park last month. However, an appeal against this last week was successful on the basis that the body which charged Tyrone did not follow proper disciplinary procedures.
Harte has now lashed out at the provincial body for what he described as a "petty" vendetta against the Red Hand County.
He said: "The issue was around students' availability in the competition, so why didn't they pursue that?"
"They jumped ship in a very haphazard way to take us up on this team listing issue. That made no sense whatsoever. The fact they departed from their original chase to take us up on this matter was nonsense."
Te controversy may not be over yet, with sources claiming the matter will be revisited when the Ulster Council's Competition Controls Committee meets next Tuesday.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=74884
UCCCC to meet on Tuesday. Sorry but I don't CCCC the sense do U?
If it continues to fester its rapidly becoming a farce. Tyrone dont need to add fuel to this fire.
Thank goodness to get that All-Ireland Final out of the road so we can get down to the real business for next year. Will Tyrone get five-in-a-row in the McKenna Cup in 2008?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on September 16, 2007, 08:00:19 PM
. Will Tyrone get five-in-a-row in the McKenna Cup in 2008?
I'm sure that will make amends for bad Championship performances in 2006 and 2007 ;)
I think if they are to have any hope of resurrection they need to ease up on the McKenna Cups and the NFL and see if they can come with any kind of run in the Summer.
However it will then be 3 long years after their 2005 heroics so it's highly unlikely they will be able to reach those dizzy heights again for a good while.
Never say never Ross.
Brolly reckons that Tyrone is the only team in the country that can stop Kerry going for three in a row ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on September 16, 2007, 08:15:40 PM
Never say never Ross.
Brolly reckons that Tyrone is the only team in the country that can stop Kerry going for three in a row ;)
Galls me to say it, but i think the wigged b@llshitter might be right. God help us!!!!
We can do 5 in a row! Far more enjoyable than winning the all ireland anyway. The bandwaggon jumpers arent part of it and the negative tactics that can spoil big championship games arent there. Less pressure and generally more enjoyable. Maybe we should make it a priority in 2008. On a different note if Tyrone are the only team who can stop Kerry doing 3 in a row (which Im not convinced we are) then the other 31 counties should get behind us now and give us the neccesary support. Teams like Cork and Mayo could do us a favour and not turn up for games against us like they do with Kerry.
Don't Cha,- Pussycat Dolls ft Busta Rhymes - No1 when Tyrone last won Sam 5times:
Don't Cha wish your football team was hot like ours, Don't Cha. ;)
Who was No 1 when Down last one it?
Most people don't remember who won the Mc Kenna cup - was it in the Irish News a few years ago that the journalist said that it was not taken seriously any more - in fact he said it was so unpopular that even the Mc Kennas had stopped going to it.
Since then, the crowds have come back but I think it should be used only for fringe players.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 17, 2007, 11:55:11 AM
Why should anyone get behind Tyrone to stop Kerry doing 3 in a row? Kerry people are the nicest, most unassuming people you could meet, you cannot begrudge them their success one bit. Now I dont begrudge Tyrone their 2 victories either but tat times you would think that them and Armagh invented the game.
Kerry for 3 in a row and Tyrone can keep winning as many McKenna Cups as they want, they dont really matter to most counties.
I certainly wouldn't begrudge Kerry their All-Irelands. They are the only consistant team in the country and fair fcuks to them. However, I would like Tyrone to put the breaks on their 3-in-a-row ;)
Dont be so cross 5 times. Some time soon Down might have a team capable of winning the McKenna Cup.
Down are simply rebuilding and their turn will come.
With Dromore playing Coalisland in the Tyrone Championship final I expect to see a few new players from each team making the Tyrone McKenna Cup squad. What about other counties?
Forget about 5 in a row - save the players for next August - the business end of the championship and hopefully they'll still be needed then !
I think Tyrone can still win the McKenna Cup with an experimental team.
I don't think so - teams like Monaghan and Donegal will be going full tilt - along with Armagh etc
Is the Mckenna cup really that important ? I know it is great to get out to see some inter county football after the long break but it is ony the start of a long year . It seems to be a lot more serious than the O Byrne cup or the Mcgrath cup for example . One question for Ulster posters is how many of the potential panels for each county are going to be involved in the Siegerson cup?
think it willl be pretty much like last year. What you might see is some players who are not fully established on their representitve county panel opt for county over collage.
If this is the case like the few last year for tyrone IMO they should be allowed.
Quote from: orangeman on September 26, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
I don't think so - teams like Monaghan and Donegal will be going full tilt - along with Armagh etc
Not necessarily Orangeman. It depends on the Ulster Club contest and who is in it. If Cross are still there then Armagh will be without their players etc. Monaghan and Donegal had their eye on the National League last year and even the Championship as they contested the McKenna Cup. A fairly experimental Tyrone team easily beat Monaghan in the semi - final last year (granted O'Neill played very well) and i remember the Monaghan fans gave Freeman stick during that game. Never underestimate Mickey Harte either. Yes he may have an experimental team (in fact I hope he does) but regardless Tyrone will be going full tilt as well.
Hope your right and I would never underestimate Harte as he has proved himself all down the years.
Quote from: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 12:04:46 PM
Hope your right and I would never underestimate Harte as he has proved himself all down the years.
Harte eyeing Dooher return in eight weeks26 September 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte says he is hoping ace attacker Brian Dooher will be back in training in two months following his recent operation. Dooher underwent corrective surgery in recent days for a groin/hernia condition that resulted in him having to retire during the O'Neill County's championship clash with Meath at Croke Park.
"It is hoped that he will be able to get back to doing
dome training in six to eight weeks," said Harte. That time frame would be the most optimistic outlook. The Meath game was a
calculated gamble," said Harte.
"He didn't know how long he would last in it and made it through at half-time, gave it all he could. He will hopefully be back in about eight weeks."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=83893
Dooher back to lead the charge for the five in a row?
Also, Harte has obviously freshened up the training regime with the introduction of innovative "dome training".
In addition he also appears to be gambling. I feel another book coming?
QuoteDooher back to lead the charge for the five in a row?
I hope not. Brian's certainly not getting any younger and the last thing he needs is too much football early in the year. He should take it handy until the tail-end of the league and make sure he's 100% for the championship. The McKenna Cup isn't for winning - it's for looking at newcomers to the squad and the players with guaranteed places such as Dooher shouldn't be involved.
Agreed Spangler - precious players should be spared !
who saeriously in their right mind gives a tiddlers toss whether Tyrone take 5 in a row Mc kenna cups. We need a 3, an 8 and 9 and an 11, and a 14 and 15. Thats what we want from the Mc Kenna cup.
Couldn't agree more RRHF - In last years Mc Kenna cup final, we gave Donegal an awful pasting but when it came to the league fixture, we got a pasting ! So obviuosly there was more emphasis at least in players minds that the Mc Kenna cup final was more important - hoepfully this year there will be a change of emphasis !
Orangeman I dont think your logic holds up. Although Tyrone may have lost the league match after beating Donegal in the McKenna cup, Tyrone also stuffed Donegal in the championship when it mattered most. Although people have said Harte puts to much emphasis on the McKenna cup I think if you look at last years team sheets you'll find your wrong. Most senior players only played one group game at most which is hardly going to effect their year. I think Cavanagh may have been an excepton to this but he's always keen to play. Harte actually changed the entire 15 from one game to the next so I think some of you lads are misguided when going on about burnout etc. He did play 3 or 4 senior players in each game but that was just to give the younger lads a chance to blend in at a decent level. Harte I think used up to 40 players last year. Id say we'll see something similar this year with hopefully some emphasis on addressing the problem areas. Its still nice to win the compeition and I dont think Tyrone will want to give it up.
Donegal had run their race by the time championship time came around - there were also reports of excessive drinking after the NFL win which led to Mc Ivor's resignation - so maybe Tyrone's result against Donegal in c'ship wasn't as good as what it seemed at the time - Donegal never lifted a leg after it - in fact Leitrim should have beaten them !
'Guests are running the household' - Harte
Mickey Harte
16 November 2007
Tyrone football boss Mickey Harte has hit out at Universities who want the upcoming McKenna Cup fixtures re-arranged to suit their timetable. UUJ, Queens University and St. Mary's all spoke out against fixtures being run off in January which prompted the Ulster Council to come up with a Plan B which wouldn't clash with students' exam times. "It's a bit ironic that they are saying they can't play on a Sunday, Wednesday and Sunday," blasted the O'Neill County supremo."If they just played on consecutive Sundays, I'm sure they would train at least once so there is no reason why they couldn't play on a Wednesday.
"They are guests of the competition - now they're telling people how to run it."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=85977
Mickey seems serious about five in a row.
"blasted the O'Neill county supremo". Wouldn't you just love two minutes alone with that "journalist". In a locked room. With a copy of "First Steps in English". And a baseball bat.
UUJ in Tyrone McKenna Cup group
Holders Tyrone will face Down, Donegal and UUJ in the group stage of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup in January.
Group A will see Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry and St Mary's College Belfast in opposition while Antrim, Cavan, Monaghan and Queen's comprise Group C.
The winners of group B will face group C winners in the semi-finals with the top team in group A facing the best runner-up in the other semi-final.
Tyrone won last year's competition - but only after winning an appeal.
The Ulster Council initially stripped them of the title over the unauthorised use of university players but Tyrone successfully appealed against that ruling.
Despite last year's controversy, there is a possibility of Tyrone manager Mickey Harte again becoming embroiled in a row over the selection of third level players.
Harte has indicated that established Tyrone squad members will be able to play for their universities but he believes that he should have the option of picking other players who are not regulars for the county.
The Tyrone manager has said that he will have negotiations with university managements over the issue.
The fixtures dates and venues will be finalised by the Ulster Council on Wednesday.
Gaelic Life Dr Mc Kenna Cup Groups
Group A
Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry, St Mary's College Belfast.
Group B
Tyrone, Down, Donegal. University of Ulster, Jordanstown.
Group C
Antrim, Cavan, Monaghan, Queen's University, Belfast.
Semi-Finals
Winners Group B vs Winners Group C
Winners Group A vs Best Runner-Up.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7105208.stm
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/images/mcKennaLaunch.jpg)
You just know from Mellon's expression that the rest of the counties haven't a chance 8)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 22, 2007, 10:28:02 AM
You just know from Mellon's expression that the rest of the counties haven't a chance 8)
More like the rest of the counties dont give a sh1t
a lot of talent on that team - they should giove a good account of themselves UUJ
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup
21 November 2007
The sponsorship of Gaelic Life and the contribution of TG 4 who broadcast last Tuesday night's draw live and who will be screening 4 matches of this year's competition live has breathed new life into the Dr McKenna cup as evidenced by the big turnout of managers, players and media at last Tuesday nights launch in the Armagh City Hotel. Following the draw for the three groups, each of which includes one of the three universities there was a great air of the enthusiasm about the prospects for this years competition which will be run off in its integrity during the month of January. People like Tyrone manager Mickey Harte, Cavan manager Donal Keoghan, Armagh manager Peter McDonnell and Fermanagh manager Malachy O'Rourke along with Paddy Tally from St Mary's College, Paddy Crozier from Derry and Adrian McGuckian from Jordanstown all spoke off how important the revamped competition was for teams preparing for the new season. Speaking on behalf of the sponsors Dominic McClements told the gathering that their idea in sponsoring the competition was to "broaden the coverage of gaelic games in keeping with our mission statement for Gaelic Life" which was "to enhancethe active coverage of gaelic games in the province".
In the draw for the groupings Monaghan in fact were last out of the hat and therefore joining section C along with Queens University Belfast, Antrim and Cavan which makes for a very interesting section. Speaking to The Northern Standard team manager Seamus McEnaney said "it was a nice group with a situation where Cavan are a team we will be meeting on February 15th in the National Football League. With that in mind they are probably a team that you would probably prefer not to have in the group but like all of the managers who fielded questions from the media and M. C. for the night, Jarlath Burns, Seamus McEnaney was "looking forward to the competition" and would be using it to "maybe find a couple of new players and get ready for the National Football League. Our meeting Cavan is a local derby game and there will be great interest in that and the McKenna cup is a competition
where we can give a mixture of players games and we can blood new players".
Another element of interest in Monaghan's group is that former county player and former selector with Monaghan Bernie Murray is on the Queen's University team management which will make for that little extra dimension when these sides meet in the second round. Like most of the other counties Monaghan will be conceding a number of players to the universities but the manager didn't seem to mid that or think it would be a problem. "We will have probably three players with Jordanstown and we could have three or four with DCU in the O'Byrne Cup but I have no issue with the players being with the universities because playing with the colleges gives a lot players more games and it also helps keep up that winning mentality that we need. We are going out to win every game in this competition and we will be looking to qualify for the semi-final".
The question of the much talked about players strike affecting the subsidiary competitions of which the McKenna Cup is one was not brought up during Tuesday evenings media briefing and launch but it is something that is foremost in managers minds. "We will not be thinking of the players strike", Seamus McEnaney told The Northern Standard, "we will be getting ready to play in the McKenna Cup but every manager, every inter county manager is looking for a resolution to this particular situation. There are not very manypeople who disagree with inter county players being grant aided and quite honestly I think the players are entitled to that. The money is there, the GAA knows the money is there and the GPA wants the money distributed, the big question is to get a vehicle to do that or come up with a mechanism to achieve that. That really is the problem facing everyone but I'm confident that this will be sorted out in the next 10 days or so". It looks like Monaghan's first game will be against Cavan, with round 2 against QUB and round 3 against Antrim with venues and dates to be finalised by Ulster Council CCC.
The full draw for the Dr McKenna Cup but was as follows:
Group A: St Mary's College Belfast, Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry.
Group B: Jordanstown, Tyrone, Down, Donegal.
Group C.: Queens University Belfast, Antrim, Cavan, Monaghan.
Semi Finals:
Winner Group B. v Winner Group C.
Winner Group A v Highest Runner-up.
It is planned to start the Dr McKenna Cup on Sunday, January 6th with round 2 on Wednesday, January 9th and round 3 on January 13th. The semi-finals are provisionally pencilled in for January 18th and January 19th with the final on January 26th although those dates may change due to a number of requests from counties who have other commitments mid-January.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86150
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Group B: Jordanstown, Tyrone, Down, Donegal.
Be interesting what team each put out, after last years incident.
Mickey won't dare repeat last year's performance, will he ?
Would not surprise me as he want to try out a few players even if they are lined out for colleges.
Who could blame him, ever manager will want their best 15 come may time.
The burning question os - what is Tyrone's best 15 ?
Quote from: orangeman on November 24, 2007, 11:17:13 AM
The burning question os - what is Tyrone's best 15 ?
Thats why he should use the McKenna cup to get the answer to this question. Playing established first team players like in previous years has cost Tyrone dear I feel.
Nonsense. Its a myth that Tyrone play more established players than other counties as I pointed out above (apart from Armagh or Down at times - though when Tyrone beat Armagh in the semis in 06 it was Armagh with the much stronger team out). Tyrone used over 40 players last year and actually fielded 2 different 15 's from 1 match to the next. They do play 3 or 4 established players in each game to give a bit of experience to the team. In each game last year were Tyrone met county teams Tyrone had a far less experineced team on than the opposition. If you look at the final Donegal had quite a lot of their starting 15 on whereas their were 2 or 3 players on the Tyrone team who didnt actaully make the final 38 man panel. Also I dont see how other ulster counties can take the micky out of Tyrone for winning the McKenna Cup when most of them have yet to win any kind of trophy this decade. The McKenna Cup is now a very useful competition and great for trying out new players.
Tyrone Verus Donegal - Pascal McConnell, Paul McGurk, Cormac McGinley, Damien McCaul, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley, Paul Quinn, Kevin Hughes, Sean Cavanagh, Tommy McGuigan, Gerald Cavlan, Christopher Colhoun, Cathal McCarron, Colm McCullagh, Damian McDermott. Subs – Dermot Carlin for Cormac McGinley, Owen Mulligan for Tommy McGuigan, Stephen O'Neill for Christopher Colhoun, Colm Donnelly for Cathal McCarron, Mickey McGee for Paul McGurk.
Tyrone Dreamer I am not getting at you nor your opinion on the established players within Tyrone. But as you can see above this was the team that Mickey Harte put out to play Donegal this year. In the starting lineup alone I would say the 8 in bold could be described as established footballers. What advantage does this have? 3 or 4 players I would agree with not 8. Offcourse playing with established players can certainly help the younger less experience footballers around them but this competition lets face it win or lose we aint going to lose much sleep over. Its nice to win any silverware and we should never lose sight of that but at risking these guys for later competitions I dont think is worth it.
As I say this is only my opinion and you are entitled to yours!!
Pascal McConnell and Cormac McGinley didnt play against Meath so that leaves 6. That was the most for any of the games and that was because it was the final. 3 of the players who played in that game didnt even make the 38 man panel for the year. The point I was making was that Tyrone dont play more established teams than the other counties despite people trying to use this as the reason for Tyrone continuing to win the competition. If you post up the Donegal team from that night you'll find a much more experienced team. Tyrone also defeated Monaghan, Derry and Cavan last year and in each game the opposition had more 1st choice players on. I think that most of the more senior players apart from Cavanagh only played 1 group game last year and I dont think that 1 game would have a major impact on players seasons. The players would be playing trainig matches anyway and this way new players get an opposition to stake a claim for their place within the county squad.
Have to agree, having being to all the McKenna cups matches last year, although we we did play some estblish players we did try out a lot of new players. How else are you going to blood them.
Donegal had actually 7 players that played in both the McKenna Cup Final and the Semi-Final Verus Tyrone. This was Brian McIver's frist year in charge. This was his fist "competitive" competition. His first chance to play any player in the county regardless of past honours and to get a real look at them. Mickey has years of experience with these players right from underage. He knows them inside out.
My argument is not how many established players other counties play against Tyrone but how many Tyrone play themselves. I just think Tyrone should put out less than 6 established players in McKenna Cup games and try and give new blood more oppurtunities. If as your other post suggested there were only 3/4 established players in the team for each game then that would be fine. I think with playing more you are losing out on potential inter-county experience other players could have gained and could help Tyrone further in the Championship (should the injuries never end).
If the GPA have their way there'll be no established players at all playing.
Former captain Brian Dooher raised the roof at Kingspan/Breffni Park as Tyrone cruised their way into the McKenna Cup final with a facile 2-16 to 0-8 win over a poor Monaghan side.
Showing 15 changes from the side that carved out a win over Fermanagh last weekend in the NFL, Tyrone had it all too easy as they booked a place in the final against Donegal.
Tyrone were on easy street with goals by man of the match Stephen O'Neill (9th) and Declan Treanor (14th) helping to ease them into a commanding 2-6 to 0-5 interval lead.
Earlier Tyrone almost bagged a third goal in the 19th minute but Tommy McGuigan and Treanor were thwarted in quick succession in a goalmouth scramble.
Frustration in the Monaghan team surfaced in the 41st minute when Eoin Duffy was dismissed for a second yellow card offence after a 'clothes line' tackle on Martin Penrose.
Monaghan needed goals to get them out of trouble but in their only chance, Cormac McGinley did fantastically well on the goal line to deflect Donal Morgan's point blank effort over the bar.
But the night belonged to Dooher whose two brilliant points were the highlight of a classy display by the O'Neill County outfit.
Tyrone were a full nine points ahead, 2-10 to 0-7, when the biggest roar of the night greeted the introduction of long-time absentee Brian Dooher for the outstanding O'Neill.
Tyrone - J Curran; P McGurk, C McGinley, C McCrory; P Quinn, P Marlow, M Penrose; G Cavlan 0-1, K Hughes; A McCarron 0-1, T McGuigan 0-2, D Treanor 1-0; P Rouse 0-3, S O'Neill 1-5, N Gormley. Subs - D McDermott for P Marlow, C Colhoun 0-1 for D Treanor, B Dooher 0-2 for S O'Neill, P Jordan for C McCrory, M Murphy for K Hughes.
Monaghan - P McBennett; D Morgan 0-1, J Coyle, C Flanagan; JP Mone, J Hughes, S Fitzpatrick; P Finlay 0-3, V Corey; P Meegan 0-1, M Daly, E Duffy; R Woods, B McKenna 0-1, N Corrigan. Subs: S Gollogly 0-1 for M Daly, T Freeman 0-1 for R Woods, D Mone for P Meegan, D McArdle for B McKenna, C McManus for J Coyle.
There was no way Harte was going to risk losing the final by not playing some 1st choice players against a very strong Donegal team. The semi final team above shows just how much experimenting Harte was prepared to do during the McKenna Cup -15 changes from the previous league game. It exposes the myth that Tyrone put out stronger teams than the other counties.
Tyrone into McKenna Cup semis
Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:17
Tyrone qualified for the Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals with an impressive attacking display in a 0-14 to 0-10 win over Cavan under the Breffni Park floodlights.
But the Ulster Council could decide whether they play any further part in the competition, with a probe into their use of ineligible college players due to be completed this week.
Tyrone's slick movement and support play caused problems for the hosts right from the start, and they had built up a four points lead inside the opening 10 minutes, with Sean Cavanagh, Aidan McCarron, Christy Colhoun and Kelvin Hughes all on target.
It was not until the 18th minute that Cavan got their first score, a Gerald Pierson free, and their lack of penetration up front was clearly worrying manager Donal Keoghan.
He switched Dermot McCabe from midfield to full-forward, and the move had an immediate impact, the flame-haired skipper rising high to take Sean Brady's long delivery and hit his side's first score from play.
Tyrone led by 0-06 to 0-03 at the break, but Pierson's accuracy from placed balls helped Cavan close the gap to a point.
But with Ryan McMenamin and Dermot Carlin giving them a dynamic attacking impetus from the back, the Red Hands cut loose.
Paul Rouse nailed on three points, Cavanagh hit a gem, and McMenamin also got in on the act with a cheeky effort as Tyrone went six clear with 10 minutes to play.
Cavan did produce a late flourish, but there was never any doubt about the outcome.
Cavan: E Elliot, A Forde, K Fannin, M Cahill, J Crowe (0-01), M McKeever, P Brady, L Mulvey, D McCabe (0-1), M Reilly, S Brady, M Cunningham, L Reilly, G Pierson (0-05, 5f), R Gallagher.
Subs used: E Reilly for Gallagher, N Walsh for S Brady, J Reilly (0-02, 2 frees) for L Reilly, C Mackey (0-01) for M Reilly, M McDonald for Mulvey.
Tyrone: J Devine, P McGurk, C McCrory, M McGee, R McMenamin (0-01), P Quinn, M Penrose, Kelvin Hughes (0-01), S Cavanagh (0-02, 1f), D Treanor (0-01), G Cavlan, A McCarron (0-02, 1f), N Gormley, P Rouse (0-03), C Colhoun (0-02).
Subs used: C McGinley for McCrory, D Carlin for McGurk, C Donnelly (0-01) for Hughes, R Mellon (0-01) for McCarron, Kevin Hughes for Penrose.
Referee: S McGonagle (Donegal)
Again a lot of experimenting done in that game with only 3 outfield players who started against Meath in the championship playing, though McGee was ruled out with injury for it.
There seems to have been a fair bit of experimenting done ok but when it cam to championsip, Mickey reverted to the tried and trusted. He remianedloyal to his winning troops - I don't think he'll show the same loyalty this time around.
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Fixtures
All Sunday games at 2.00 p.m.: All midweek games at 8.00 p.m.
(Extra time to be played if required in Semi finals & Final)
Wed 2nd Jan: Section B
Donegal v UUJ at Ballybofey
Sun 6th Jan: Section A
St Mary's v. Fermanagh at Lisnaskea
Armagh v Derry at Crossmaglen
Section B
UUJ v Tyrone at Omagh
Section C
Queens v Antrim at Casement Park
Cavan v Monaghan at Kingspan Breffni Park
Wed 9th Jan: Section A
Fermanagh v Armagh at Kingspan Breffni Park
Derry v St Mary's at Celtic Park
Section B
Tyrone v Down at Omagh
Section C
Antrim v Cavan at Casement Park
Monaghan v Queens at Castleblayney
Sun 13th Jan: Section A
St Mary's v Armagh at Crossmaglen
Derry v Fermanagh at Celtic Park
Section B
UUJ v Down at Newcastle
Donegal v Tyrone at Ballyshannon
Section C
Queens v Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park
Monaghan v Antrim at Ballybay
Wed 16th Jan: Section B
Down v Donegal at Newry
Sat 19th Jan (7.30pm) : Semi Final: (1) Winner of Section B v Winner of Section C
Sun 20th Jan (2.00pm): Semi Final: (2) Winner of Section A v 4 th Placed Team
Sat 26 th January (7.30pm): Final: 1 v 2
http://ulster.gaa.ie/news/ucNews/2006-07/nov07/news010.htm
Are these fixtures subject to change due to strike action ????? ;) ;D
Quote from: orangeman on November 26, 2007, 04:13:35 PM
Are these fixtures subject to change due to strike action ????? ;) ;D
Not in Tyrone's case Orange. They will field a team regardless.
O'Rourke has named a county panel for McKenna Cup
New Fermanagh senior football team-manager Malachy O'Rourke has named a panel of 43 players for the 2008 Dr. McKenna Cup campaign which commences in January next. Among the new faces on the county panel are Cathal McCaffrey and Declan Campbell from Tempo; Barry Mulrone from Devenish; Ciaran Smyth and Seamus Ryder from Erne Gaels; Niall Cassidy (Roslea); Patrick Cadden (St. Patrick's); brothers Niall and Matthew Keenan (Enniskillen Gaels) and Niall and Ciaran Leonard from Belcoo. O'Rourke will be hoping to give some of these newcomers to the county panel a run-out in the Dr. McKenna Cup where the Erne county is operating from Group A along with St. Mary's; Armagh and Derry.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86445
I'm really getting sick of talking about Dessie !
Who?
Dessie Farrell !
Suspensions for Freeman brothers
Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm
Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup
I'm not going to read back through this thread, but I am a bit sceptical.
Have ye lads really been talking about Tyrones possibilities of winning the McKenna cup for 53 pages??
And to think they say nobody cares about these competitions ;)
53 pages is some going alright !! :D :D :D ;D
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 12, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
Suspensions for Freeman brothers
Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm
Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup
Would put my house on this being overturned or reduced
Quote from: ExiledGael on December 12, 2007, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 12, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
Suspensions for Freeman brothers
Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm
Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup
Would put my house on this being overturned or reduced
Quote from: ExiledGael on December 12, 2007, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 12, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
Suspensions for Freeman brothers
Monaghan's Allstar forward Thomas Freeman has been banned for two months following a fracas in a club game.
Last week's league semi-final between Freeman's team Magheracloone and Latton was abandoned after the incident.
His brother and county captain Damien was suspended for four months after being sent-off in the game and he will miss the McKenna Cup and some NFL ties. Maghercloone's Peter Ward was banned for 12 months while four other players were suspended for four months. They are Magheracloone duo Francie Doogan and Paul Jones and Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes.
Damien Freeman will be sidelined for the first four rounds of the National Football League. The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7140554.stm
Will miss Thomas - a good player though I remember him getting stick from some of his fans in Breffni at the start of the year against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup
Would put my house on this being overturned or reduced
Monaghan deny suspension reports Monaghan officials have denied that any bans have yet been handed out arising from the abandonment of the recent club game between Magheracloone and Latton. Damien Freeman was reported to have received a four-month ban while his brother Thomas was said to have been hit with a two-month suspension. A Monaghan county board statement said that players had been notified of "proposed penalties". The two clubs were competing in the Monaghan League Football semi-final. Tuesday's reports said that Magheracloone's Peter Ward had been handed a 12-month ban while Latton's Edmund Lennon and Kevin Hughes had received four-month suspensions.
The fracas started when Lennon and Damien Freeman were dismissed in the second half with Latton holding a 2-4 to 0-6 lead at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7141831.stm
You've just won a house Exiled gael. :D :D
It looks like Monaghan appeals board are already preparing to reduce the sentences.
Peter Donnelly out of the Jordanstown team with a shoulder injury in Tyrone trials
Changes to McKenna Cup
The Dr McKenna Cup has been rescheduled to start before the New Year following complaints by some of the university teams about having to playing two games in the space of the week. The Ulster pre-season football competition will now get underway on December 30 with the meeting of Monaghan and Queen's University at Clones. Prior to the change, the first game was set to take place on Wednesday, January 2 with Donegal facing UUJ under lights at Ballybofey, but that has now been put back 24 hours.
Saturday games are now included in the revamped fixture list, with Queen's in action on January 5 against Antrim and again on Sunday, January 12 against Cavan. All Sunday games start at 2pm, while all mid-week games will throw-in at 8pm.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=86973
Mickey Harte was right. The guests are now running the show.
Donnelly out of McKenna Cup
18 December 2007
UUJ captain Peter Donnelly has been ruled out of the Dr McKenna Cup after breaking his arm during a Tyrone trial match last week.
The Coalisland Fianna clubman is now facing a race against time to be fit for Jordanstown's Sigerson Cup first round clash against Sligo IT in February. It's the second injury setback UUJ have suffered in the space of a week after Antrim forward Paddy Cunningham picked up a knock while playing for his club Lamh Dhearg, which led to him having to go to hospital where he had his appendix removed.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87072
Strange goings on...."sayin as you're here we might as well take your appendix out" :o
The talk is that Peter Donnelly#s fracture seems to be a bad one - any news on that ?
Tyrone's McKenna Cup squad 2008...
Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher)
Sean Cavanagh (Moy)
Jonathan Curran (Coalisland)
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran)
Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)
John Gilmore (Cookstown)
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley (Trillick)
Ciaran Gourley (Rock)
Dominic Hands(Dungannon)
Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps)
Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore)
Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil)
Philip Jordan (Moy)
Conall Martin (Eglish)
Aidan McCarron (Fintona)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Omagh)
Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart)
Colm McCullagh (Dromore)
Michael McGee (Loughmacrory)
Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan (Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe)
Ryan McMenamin (Dromore)
Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy)
Owen Mulligan (Cookstown)
Fabian O'Neill (Dromore)
Shaun O'Neill (Dromore)
Martin Penrose (Aghyaran)
P J Quinn (Moortown)
Gary Reilly (Killeeshil)
Paul Rouse (Brackaville)
Martin Swift (Killyclogher0
Players registered with college teams in McKenna Cup:
Brendan Boggs (Owen Roes)
Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
Peter Donnelly (Coalisland)
Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown)
Justin McMahon (Omagh)
Damian McCaul (Donaghmore)
Ciaran Donnelly (Brocagh)
Paul Marlow (Eskra)
Injured players not considered for McKenna Cup:
Brian Dooher (Clann na nGael)
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael)
Joe McMahon (Omagh)
Paul Quinn (Errigal Ciaran)
Information courtesy of www.teamtalkmag.com
Nine new names in Tyrone's McKenna Cup squad
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has included nine newcomers in a squad of 37 players for the 2008 Dr McKenna Cup which gets underway for the Red Hands on the first Sunday of January.
The list of new recruits, as Tyrone get ready to challenge for a fifth successive McKenna Cup triumph next month, includes Eglish's Conall Martin, the 2007 Teamtalk intermediate footballer of the year, who had a brief spell in the Tyrone colours in 1999 when Danny Ball was at the helm. The midfielder previously played under Mickey Harte ten years ago as a minor in 1997, and again as an under-21 player in 2000 when he collected an All-Ireland medal.
Among the eight players called up to the county senior squad for the first time are three members of Dromore's double winning side, Cathal McCarron, Shaun 'Snowy' O'Neill and team captain Fabian O'Neill, who join club-mates Ryan McMenamin and Colm McCullagh in the Tyrone set-up to give the St Dympna's the biggest representation in the new squad.
The two O'Neills recently won Teamtalk All-Star awards for 2007, while full-back McCarron was a member of the 2006 Tyrone All-Star select.
The Dromore trio are linking up with Mickey Harte for the first time, with only Cathal McCarron having worn the Tyrone jersey at underage level. He's eligible again for the Tyrone under-21s in the coming season, while Shaun O'Neill, the 2007 young club footballer of the year, will celebrate his 21st birthday on December 30th and therefore misses out on under-21 football in 2008 by just two days.
Carrickmore sharpshooter Kevin McNally, who recently scored all seven of his side's scores in the Tyrone league final, has made the McKenna Cup squad after a couple of successful trial appearances, and there are also first call-ups for Killyclogher's Martin Swift, Dungannon's Dominic Hands, Killeeshil's Gary Reilly and Cookstown's John Gilmore, another young player who can line out for the county under-21s again in 2008.
Reilly and Gilmore have featured for Tyrone at underage level, while Swift, another recent Teamtalk award winner, and Hands will be involved with a Tyrone squad for the first time in January.
The 37-strong squad includes 28 players who were involved with the Red Hands during the 2007 campaign. The list of players registered includes Brian McGuigan, although the Ardboe star is unlikely to feature in the near future. Others named who could be unavailable for the duration of the McKenna Cup are Mickey McGee, Cormac McGinley and Colin Holmes.
On top of the players selected for Tyrone's McKenna Cup campaign, there are eight players that will be lining out for their college teams in the competition who'll be in the frame for Tyrone's national league assault at the beginning of February. They include 2007 panellists, Raymond Mulgrew, Colm Cavanagh, Justin McMahon, Damian McCaul, Brendan Boggs and Peter Donnelly, although the latter will be out of action for the next couple of months after sustaining a broken arm in one of the recent trial matches staged under lights in Healy Park.
Brocagh's Ciaran Donnelly and Eskra's Paul Marlow also attended the trials and will again be assessed by the Tyrone manager when UUJ come to play the McKenna Cup holders in their opening fixture of the year in Omagh on Sunday 6th January.
Four members of Tyrone's 2007 squad haven't been named in the McKenna Cup squad because of injury - Brian Dooher could be back for national league duty before the end of February, Joe McMahon is out until March and Stephen O'Neill is ahead of schedule in his recovery from an operation and could be ready for some NFL action in April.
There is no date, meanwhile, for Paul Quinn's return to the playing field, the Errigal Ciaran defender still being assessed since sustaining a head injury in the Tyrone senior championship quarter-final clash with Donaghmore.
In all, taking the McKenna Cup list, the injury list and the college players into account, there are 49 players who are still being considered for Tyrone's league and championship squad, which is expected to be announced at the end of January in time for the NFL opener against Kildare at the start of February.
The only member of Tyrone's 2007 championship panel not included in any of the lists at present is Gerald Cavlan.
www.teamtalkmag.com
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 19, 2007, 01:32:49 AM
Tyrone's McKenna Cup squad 2008...
Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher)
Sean Cavanagh (Moy)
Jonathan Curran (Coalisland)
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran)
Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)
John Gilmore (Cookstown)
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley (Trillick)
Ciaran Gourley (Rock)
Dominic Hands(Dungannon)
Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps)
Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore)
Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil)
Philip Jordan (Moy)
Conall Martin (Eglish)
Aidan McCarron (Fintona)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Omagh)
Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart)
Colm McCullagh (Dromore)
Michael McGee (Loughmacrory)
Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan (Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe)
Ryan McMenamin (Dromore)
Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy)
Owen Mulligan (Cookstown)
Fabian O'Neill (Dromore)
Shaun O'Neill (Dromore)
Martin Penrose (Aghyaran)
P J Quinn (Moortown)
Gary Reilly (Killeeshil)
Paul Rouse (Brackaville)
Martin Swift (Killyclogher0
Players registered with college teams in McKenna Cup:
Brendan Boggs (Owen Roes)
Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
Peter Donnelly (Coalisland)
Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown)
Justin McMahon (Omagh)
Damian McCaul (Donaghmore)
Ciaran Donnelly (Brocagh)
Paul Marlow (Eskra)
Injured players not considered for McKenna Cup:
Brian Dooher (Clann na nGael)
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael)
Joe McMahon (Omagh)
Paul Quinn (Errigal Ciaran)
Information courtesy of www.teamtalkmag.com
I know I've tried this before but whatabout this lineout in any order:
Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
Sean Cavanagh (Moy)
Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore)
Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil)
Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan (Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe)
Colm Donnelly (Clonoe)
Peter Donnelly (Coalisland)
Ciaran Donnelly (Brocagh)
Aidan McCarron (Fintona)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Omagh)
Fabian O'Neill (Dromore)
Shaun O'Neill (Dromore)
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael)
Joe McMahon (Omagh)
Justin McMahon (Omagh
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley (Trillick)
Choose your own keeper
Why do Tyrone take this so seriously?
QuoteThe only member of Tyrone's 2007 championship panel not included in any of the lists at present is Gerald Cavlan.
Thank God for that! However, it's fantastic to see Brian McGuigan listed in the squad.
QuoteWhy do Tyrone take this so seriously?
Football is deadly serious in Tyrone.
Wasn't Conall Martin in the squad a few years back? Give us another option in midfield
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.
Quote from: ONeill on December 19, 2007, 11:53:09 PM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.
Sure didn't Dromore put an end to the cursing in Healy Park recently when they won your cup O'Neill?
I think Donnelly from Broacagh is good player - why do you not rate him Hardstation ?
Thats deep O neill
Hope he sings about the blue eyes.
o/m the days of the loughshore county footballer seem to be over. Name 3 plyers from the entire loughshore who would make your Tyrone team,
Eyes of blue ya mean.
Quote from: rrhf on December 20, 2007, 02:58:49 PM
o/m the days of the loughshore county footballer seem to be over. Name 3 plyers from the entire loughshore who would make your Tyrone team,
E Cushnahan, R Quinn, S Taggart
Aye R Quinn was a cracker alright now that you mention it, emigration booze and poker have him wrecked though surely he couldnt pull on a county jersey yet at 36. For those tyronies who think Football began when Errigal Ciaran seconds were formed(glencull) dont forget the loughshore produced the King,..... and then it produced the prince...... now who will be the jester?
Down panel for McKenna Cup
Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben ,
Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern ,
Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney ,
Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers ,
John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan ,
Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney,
Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .
The chopper fagan makes a return.
McGrane is set for McKenna action
Paul McGrane is set for Gaelic Life McKenna Cup action earlier than anticipated next month because of Armagh's midfield crisis.
New Orchard boss Peter McDonnell will be without groin injury victim Malachy Mackin and hip victim Philip Loughran.
Student quartet Charlie Vernon, Paul Courtney, James Lavery and Gareth O'Neill have declared for Queen's and St Mary's and will also be absent. Armagh start their campaign against Derry on Sunday 6 January. The Orchard county then face Fermanagh on Wednesday 9 January and St Mary's on Sunday 13 January in Section A. McDonnell is likely to rotate his squad in a bid to safeguard against injuries.
Armagh squad: Ciaran McKinney, Paudie McCreesh, Brendan Donaghy, Andy Mallon, Mark Quinn, JP Donnelly, Finnian Moriarity, Gareth Swift, Gerard McCreesh, Gerard McCoy, Conor Clarke, Brian McCombe, Brian Mallon, Martin O'Rourke, Martin Ferris, Paudie Rodgers, Paul Duffy, Paul McCaughey, Liam O'Hare, Greg Loughran, Paul McGrane, Enda McNulty, Paddy McKeever, Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke, Kevin O'Rourke, Ronan Austin, Barry Shannon, Gary Reel, Stefan Forker.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7155340.stm
If Mc Grane is being sprung into action, Armagh are going all out at this early stage !
Quote from: ONeill on December 19, 2007, 11:53:09 PM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.
All-singing, all-dancing McKenna Cup THIS YEAR'S Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup games are set for a carnival and family atmosphere with the inclusion of a range of activities and characters for entertainment at the January clashes, including the introduction of our new mascot character 'GL Man.'
The large character will be entertaining the crowds before the games and at half-time, where he will be testing out his skills, with the fans reaping the rewards as there will be free Gaelic Life merchandise, including T-shirts for kids and lollipops as well as other items such as free copies of Gaelic Life, calendars and pens, and the opportunity to have your picture taken with GL Man, with the photos appearing in Gaelic Life.
This will be taking place at the matches between Armagh and Derry at Lurgan on Sunday January 6, Tyrone and Down at Omagh on Wednesday January 9, Donegal and Tyrone at Ballyshannon on Sunday January 13, Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16 as well as both semi-finals and the final which will take place on Saturday January 26.
Vouchers entitling Under-16s free admission to all games in this year's competition are being distributed to schools throughout the province, as well as being included in the weekly editions of Gaelic Life, Ulster Herald, Strabane Chronicle, Fermanagh Herald and Donegal News from now until the end of the competition.
The Ulster Council have also introduced measures of their own, with three games singled out for the special festival-like treatment, beginning at Omagh on Wednesday January 9 when Tyrone take on Down, where the entertainment will include face painters, balloon modelers and life size cartoon characters, while special guest Malachi Cush and Scor entertainment and Irish Dancers will entertain the crowd as well as the Gaelic Life goodies. The same will take place for the floodlit game between Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16, and for the final on Saturday January 26.
The Ulster Council will also be introducing their "No Foul Language" campaign, as they bid to erase foul and abusive language both on and off the pitch. As part of this, special 'NFL' wristbands will be distributed at the games.
Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition, and will be on sale at all games in the competition to make it easier for supporters to keep up to speed with the new faces set to be on show as the footballing action hits top gear once again following the Christmas break.http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/free/326790051298843.php
GL Man: wonder will the Ulster Council lads allow him on the sideline?
Like this programme idea as long as a few sneaky college lads don't appear mid competition :D
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 23, 2007, 12:45:53 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 19, 2007, 11:53:09 PM
I hear there's no cursing allowed when they meet Down in the McKenna in Omagh. Malachi Cush will be compere and you can get your face painted. If Malachi's shite you cannot curse at him, especially if you're playing.
All-singing, all-dancing McKenna Cup
THIS YEAR'S Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup games are set for a carnival and family atmosphere with the inclusion of a range of activities and characters for entertainment at the January clashes, including the introduction of our new mascot character 'GL Man.'
The large character will be entertaining the crowds before the games and at half-time, where he will be testing out his skills, with the fans reaping the rewards as there will be free Gaelic Life merchandise, including T-shirts for kids and lollipops as well as other items such as free copies of Gaelic Life, calendars and pens, and the opportunity to have your picture taken with GL Man, with the photos appearing in Gaelic Life.
This will be taking place at the matches between Armagh and Derry at Lurgan on Sunday January 6, Tyrone and Down at Omagh on Wednesday January 9, Donegal and Tyrone at Ballyshannon on Sunday January 13, Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16 as well as both semi-finals and the final which will take place on Saturday January 26.
Vouchers entitling Under-16s free admission to all games in this year's competition are being distributed to schools throughout the province, as well as being included in the weekly editions of Gaelic Life, Ulster Herald, Strabane Chronicle, Fermanagh Herald and Donegal News from now until the end of the competition.
The Ulster Council have also introduced measures of their own, with three games singled out for the special festival-like treatment, beginning at Omagh on Wednesday January 9 when Tyrone take on Down, where the entertainment will include face painters, balloon modelers and life size cartoon characters, while special guest Malachi Cush and Scor entertainment and Irish Dancers will entertain the crowd as well as the Gaelic Life goodies. The same will take place for the floodlit game between Down and Donegal at Newry on Wednesday January 16, and for the final on Saturday January 26.
The Ulster Council will also be introducing their "No Foul Language" campaign, as they bid to erase foul and abusive language both on and off the pitch. As part of this, special 'NFL' wristbands will be distributed at the games.
Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition, and will be on sale at all games in the competition to make it easier for supporters to keep up to speed with the new faces set to be on show as the footballing action hits top gear once again following the Christmas break.
http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/free/326790051298843.php
GL Man: wonder will the Ulster Council lads allow him on the sideline?
Like this programme idea as long as a few sneaky college lads don't appear mid competition :D
I hope it dosen't turn out like the mess at the Trone County Final this year
Quotespecial guest Malachi Cush
What a treat! I thought the dea was to attract people, not repel them!
McCusker returns to Derry panel
Niall McCusker returns to the Derry panel for the McKenna Cup
Niall McCusker has been included in Derry's 24-man Gaelic Life McKenna Cup panel by manager Paddy Crozier.
The injury-prone defender has been recalled following some brilliant performances for Ballinderry in their run to the Derry senior club final.
Crozier, though, has a long injury list and is also without a number of players involved with their universities.
Kevin McCloy, Sean Marty Lockhart, Rory Murray, Joe Diver and Conleth Gilligan are all due to undergo surgery.
However, all are expected to be ready for the NFL campaign.
Derry panel: Eoin Bradley (Glenullin), Patrick Bradley (Glenullin), James Conway (Ballinderry), John Deighan (Limavady), Colin Devlin (Ballinderry), Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy), Gavin Donaghy (Claudy), Barry Gillis (Magherafelt), Liam Hinphey (Dungiven), Joe Keenan (Magherafelt), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Michael McBride (Ballinascreen), Kevin McCloy (Lavey), Niall McCusker (Ballinderry), Francis McEldowney (Slaughtneil), Aidan McElhone (Castledawson), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Coleraine), Kevin McGuckin (Ballinderry), Enda Muldoon (Ballinderry), Ciaran Mullan (Drumsurn), Paul O'Hea (Steelstown), Cathal O'Kane (Craigbane), Eunan O'Kane (Glenullin), Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).
Squads to date:
Derry panel:
Eoin Bradley (Glenullin), Patrick Bradley (Glenullin), James Conway (Ballinderry), John Deighan (Limavady), Colin Devlin (Ballinderry), Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy), Gavin Donaghy (Claudy), Barry Gillis (Magherafelt), Liam Hinphey (Dungiven), Joe Keenan (Magherafelt), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Michael McBride (Ballinascreen), Kevin McCloy (Lavey), Niall McCusker (Ballinderry), Francis McEldowney (Slaughtneil), Aidan McElhone (Castledawson), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Coleraine), Kevin McGuckin (Ballinderry), Enda Muldoon (Ballinderry), Ciaran Mullan (Drumsurn), Paul O'Hea (Steelstown), Cathal O'Kane (Craigbane), Eunan O'Kane (Glenullin), Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).
Armagh squad: Ciaran McKinney, Paudie McCreesh, Brendan Donaghy, Andy Mallon, Mark Quinn, JP Donnelly, Finnian Moriarity, Gareth Swift, Gerard McCreesh, Gerard McCoy, Conor Clarke, Brian McCombe, Brian Mallon, Martin O'Rourke, Martin Ferris, Paudie Rodgers, Paul Duffy, Paul McCaughey, Liam O'Hare, Greg Loughran, Paul McGrane, Enda McNulty, Paddy McKeever, Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke, Kevin O'Rourke, Ronan Austin, Barry Shannon, Gary Reel, Stefan Forker.
Down panel
Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben , Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern , Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney , Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan , Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney, Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .
Tyrone's squad Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher) Sean Cavanagh (Moy) Jonathan Curran (Coalisland) John Devine (Errigal Ciaran) Colm Donnelly (Clonoe) John Gilmore (Cookstown) Conor Gormley (Carrickmore) Niall Gormley (Trillick) Ciaran Gourley (Rock) Dominic Hands(Dungannon) Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran) Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps) Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore) Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil) Philip Jordan (Moy) Conall Martin (Eglish) Aidan McCarron (Fintona) Cathal McCarron (Dromore) Cathal McCarron (Omagh) Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart) Colm McCullagh (Dromore) Michael McGee (Loughmacrory) Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Brian McGuigan (Ardboe) Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe) Ryan McMenamin (Dromore) Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy) Owen Mulligan (Cookstown) Fabian O'Neill (Dromore) Shaun O'Neill (Dromore) Martin Penrose (Aghyaran) P J Quinn (Moortown) Gary Reilly (Killeeshil) Paul Rouse (Brackaville) Martin Swift (Killyclogher)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 25, 2007, 03:11:45 AM
Squads to date:
Derry panel:
Eoin Bradley (Glenullin), Patrick Bradley (Glenullin), James Conway (Ballinderry), John Deighan (Limavady), Colin Devlin (Ballinderry), Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy), Gavin Donaghy (Claudy), Barry Gillis (Magherafelt), Liam Hinphey (Dungiven), Joe Keenan (Magherafelt), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Michael McBride (Ballinascreen), Kevin McCloy (Lavey), Niall McCusker (Ballinderry), Francis McEldowney (Slaughtneil), Aidan McElhone (Castledawson), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Coleraine), Kevin McGuckin (Ballinderry), Enda Muldoon (Ballinderry), Ciaran Mullan (Drumsurn), Paul O'Hea (Steelstown), Cathal O'Kane (Craigbane), Eunan O'Kane (Glenullin), Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).
Armagh squad: Ciaran McKinney, Paudie McCreesh, Brendan Donaghy, Andy Mallon, Mark Quinn, JP Donnelly, Finnian Moriarity, Gareth Swift, Gerard McCreesh, Gerard McCoy, Conor Clarke, Brian McCombe, Brian Mallon, Martin O'Rourke, Martin Ferris, Paudie Rodgers, Paul Duffy, Paul McCaughey, Liam O'Hare, Greg Loughran, Paul McGrane, Enda McNulty, Paddy McKeever, Stephen McDonnell, Ronan Clarke, Kevin O'Rourke, Ronan Austin, Barry Shannon, Gary Reel, Stefan Forker.
Down panel
Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben , Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern , Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney , Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan , Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney, Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .
Tyrone's squad Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher) Sean Cavanagh (Moy) Jonathan Curran (Coalisland) John Devine (Errigal Ciaran) Colm Donnelly (Clonoe) John Gilmore (Cookstown) Conor Gormley (Carrickmore) Niall Gormley (Trillick) Ciaran Gourley (Rock) Dominic Hands(Dungannon) Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran) Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps) Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore) Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil) Philip Jordan (Moy) Conall Martin (Eglish) Aidan McCarron (Fintona) Cathal McCarron (Dromore) Cathal McCarron (Omagh) Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart) Colm McCullagh (Dromore) Michael McGee (Loughmacrory) Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) Brian McGuigan (Ardboe) Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe) Ryan McMenamin (Dromore) Kevin McNally (Carrickmore)
Ryan Mellon (Moy) Owen Mulligan (Cookstown) Fabian O'Neill (Dromore) Shaun O'Neill (Dromore) Martin Penrose (Aghyaran) P J Quinn (Moortown) Gary Reilly (Killeeshil) Paul Rouse (Brackaville) Martin Swift (Killyclogher)
WTF ??? ???
When's the next strike threat due ? ;D
When was the first strike?
Who is the guy McCombe on the Armagh Panel
Corner forward from Ballymacnab.
Queen's squad:
Bogue N, Carville C, Courtney P, Crilly C, Crozier J, Dillon R, Gallagher H, Grimley J, Howard L, Hughes E, Kielt C, Loughrey, J,McArdle B, McCrory A, McCumiskey P, McGinn C, McVey P.Murphy F, O'Neill D, O'Kane J, O'Rourke M, Treanor P,Ward M, Winters K, Vernon C,
Sorry - you called the first strike off -
Rooney returns to Monaghan squad
Anthony Rooney has taken his place in the Monaghan squad for the first time since 2003 after returning home from the United States last week. The Clontibret man trained with the Farney County panel on Boxing Day and could play a part in the McKenna Cup game against Queen's on Sunday. Rooney is one of six new faces in manager Seamus McEnaney's 37-man squad.
The other additions are Raymond Ronaghan, Eoin Duffy, Eddie Lennon, Martin Corey and Paul McGuigan.
McEnaney's provisional squad of 37 players will be cut to 28 for the McKenna Cup campaign as seven students will be on duty with their universities and Stephen Gallogly and Shane Duffy are in Australia and will not return until mid-January.
Monaghan host Queen's at Clones at 1400 GMT on Sunday. McEnaney has indicated that he will use the tournament to assess fringe players who have yet to break into the starting 15. Panellists Mark Duffy, Shane Mulligan, Stephen Fitzpatrick and Mark Daly are expected to feature in the opening round of three games.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7161170.stm
Looking forward to the McKenna up now. A lot of people diss it, but it's good for two reasons:
1 - it's been a long time since the last bit of intercounty action (the irony being that the first game against Queen's won't actually be 'inter-county', stricly speaking) and it will be nice to cheer on the county side again;
and
2 - it's a good way to see the new players, to see the regular team played about with a bit and maybe spot one or two bright hopes for the league.
For Monaghan, i don't think we have much work to do with regard to our starting 15 from 2007, but it would be nice to build a stronger bench for 2008.
Still hard to forget that Kerry (and Cork) don't have to reappear until the first week of August. :(
Aaron - do you reckon that all this action in Ulster hs a negative effect on preformances later in the year ?
Possibly. Tyrone were superb upto the end of Feb in 2007, but lost so poorly to Meath when it mattered that Saturday in August. Kerry don't do January.
Yeah they do, there is the McGrath Cup in Munster which Kerry compete in. They then go on and compete in the same National league as the rest of the country, so they play as many games as most counties (more than most) prior to the start of the championship. From there on it's a bit different alright, but as they tend to be at the business end of every competition they probably play more football than anyone else in any given year.
Queen's defeat Monaghan at Clones
Queen's beat Monaghan 0-10 to 0-09 in Sunday's opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup game at Clones.
The students displayed the better teamwork and cohesion and ran out deserved one-point winners after leading 0-6 to 0-5 at the interval.
Paul McComiskey top-scored for Queen's with six points, Micheal O'Rourke and Paul McVeigh scored a point apiece and Conor McGinn scored the winning point. Rory Woods accumulated three points for Monaghan. Conor McManus and Thomas Freeman both notched two points.
The game was notable in the fact that no players were booked during the match.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7165028.stm
Queens University Sigerson Cup Panel 2008
Bourke Sean, Bogue Niall, Barton Shane, Crilly Cathal, Courtney Paul, Crozier Justin, Dillon Ryan, Gallagher Aodhan, Gallagher Hugh, Grimley James, Hughes Eoin, Howard Luke,Kelly Kevin, Loughrey James, Maginn Conor, McComiskey Paul, McCrory Aidan, McVey Paul, Martin Benny, Murphy Fergal, O'Kane Joe, O'Neill Dean, O'Neill Ruairί, O'Rourke Mίcheál, Tierney Caoίlin, Treanor Paul, Vernon Charlie, Ward Mickey, Winters Kerril
Not included in the initial McKenna Cup Panel:
Jamie O'Reilly, Gerard McAleese, Matthew O'Brien, Declan O'Hagan, Cathal Carville, Shaun O'Neill, Brendan McArdle, Joe Ireland,
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 30, 2007, 04:04:33 PM
Queen's defeat Monaghan at Clones
Queen's beat Monaghan 0-10 to 0-09 in Sunday's opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup game at Clones.
The students displayed the better teamwork and cohesion and ran out deserved one-point winners after leading 0-6 to 0-5 at the interval.
Paul McComiskey top-scored for Queen's with six points, Micheal O'Rourke and Paul McVeigh scored a point apiece and Conor McGinn scored the winning point. Rory Woods accumulated three points for Monaghan. Conor McManus and Thomas Freeman both notched two points.
The game was notable in the fact that no players were booked during the match.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7165028.stm
Lets hope the grassroots don't hear about that :o
Who was the referee in Clones today ? Apparently he forgot his cards so couldn't book anyone or send them off ! :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Was close enough, although Queen's did shoot quite a few wides. To be fair, the Monaghan side was barely recognisable - the lack of Eoin Lennon, Paul Finlay and Dick Clerkin in midfield was a big hole in the team. Also Tommy Freeman and Gary McQuaid were only introduced in the second half - Tommy was only on for about 15 minutes. There were plenty of wasted opportunities up front.
I think Queen's would be the toughest game in this group and i reckon they could take Antrim and Cavan and top the group now.
McComiskey the star for hungry QUB
Monday December 31 2007
A sharper, hungrier Queen's University severely dented Monaghan's prospects of qualifying for the play-off stages of the 2008 Gaelic Life- sponsored Dr McKenna Cup when they edged the result in this low-key and at times scrappy affair in Clones yesterday.
Monaghan fielded a largely experimental side but that does not fully explain this below par performance against a Queen's team that showed much more purpose in certain aspects of their play.
Powered by Charlie Vernon in midfield and with Paul McComiskey and Michael Ward causing Monaghan all sorts of problems up front Queen's dictated the trend of this game for long periods. Queen's led at half-time by 0-6 to 0-5, a six minute purple patch seeing them hit four unanswered points to turn a two-point deficit into a two- point lead.
Emphatically
Within eight minutes of the restart Monaghan had regained the lead with points by Dessie Mone and Connor McManus but Queen's struck back emphatically to cancel out that advantage with strikes from man of the match McComiskey and James Loughrey.
Substitute Tomas Freeman brought the sides level for the sixth time in the game with his first point from a free in the 18th minute. Queen's soon reasserted themselves, with points by Conor McGinn and another McComiskey special from a free, putting them two points in front with just three minutes left.
Monaghan threw caution to the wind in the closing minutes but their only reward was another point from a free by Freeman as Queen's held out for the narrowest of wins.
Scorers -- QUB: P McComiskey 0-6, C McGinn 0-1, M O'Rourke, J Loughrey, P McVeigh 0-1each. Monaghan: R Woods 0-3, C McManus 0-2, T Freeman 0-2, V Corey, D Mone 0-1 each.
QUB -- F Murphy; N Bogue, L Howard, P Treanor; R Dillon, A McCrory, J Crozier; C Vernon, P Courtney; A Gallagher, C McGinn, P McVeigh; P McComiskey, M O'Rourke, M Ward. Subs: B Martin for R Dillon, J Loughrey for P McVeigh, J Grimley for M Ward, R O'Neill for C McGinn, D O'Neill for A McCrory.
Monaghan -- P McBennett; M Duffy, C Flanagan, C Hughes; G McEnaney, S Mulligan, S Fitzpatrick; J Kingham, V Corey; O Duffy, C McManus, M Daly; R Woods, D Mone, M McElroy. Subs: G McQuaid for J Kingham, T Freeman for O Duffy, N McAdam for M McElroy, S Markey for M Daly.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mccomiskey-the-star-for-hungry-qub-1255177.html
Next game on Thursday night in ballybofey
3rd January 2008 at 20:00 Ballybofey
Jordanstown V Donegal
TG4
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Have UUJ named their McKenna Cup squad?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 01, 2008, 11:24:13 PM
Have UUJ named their McKenna Cup squad?
From their website Norf:
Terry O Flanagan
Kevin Anderson
daniel Bateson
Brendan Boggs
John Boyle
Colm Cavanagh
JAMES COLGAN
Michael Corr
patrick cunningham
Ciaran donnelly
Peter Donnelly
Michael Drumm
Barry Dunnion
Bliain Gormley
charles harrison
Darren Hughes
Karl Lacey
Declan Lavery
Mark Lynch
Paul Marlow
Eamon Mc Conville
Adrian Mc Guckin
Shea McAleer
Stephen McAleer
Michael McAlister
cormac mcavoy
tomas mccann
Damian McCaul
Eamon McConville
James McGovern
Paul McGuigan
Test Message
Micheal Moran
Andy Moran
Donal Morgan
Raymond Mulgrew
cathal murdock
Kieran Nolan
Quote from: hardstation on January 02, 2008, 12:59:26 AM
Test Message - God knows
One of the Messages from Knockloughrim. Son of Text.
What's the story with the Freeman's are they banned or what? Didn't see their names on the teamsheet against Queens.
Tomas came on against Queens and scored I think.
Why is it so hard to find odds for this competition? Where are you Lone Shark??
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.
Quote from: blueboy on January 02, 2008, 09:56:11 AM
What's the story with the Freeman's are they banned or what? Didn't see their names on the teamsheet against Queens.
The bans apply to Club only.
'We're playing a top three side' - McIver
02 January 2008
Donegal football boss Brian McIver believes his side will face one of the top three university sides in the country when the Tir Chonaill men take on UUJ tomorrow night (Thursday) in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup. Ironically McIver and Co. will be taking on a side jointly managed by Adrian McGuckin, a member of McIver's own backroom team.
"Jordanstown are obviously a very good side," McIver opined. "Along with DCU and Queen's they are in the top three university sides in the country. "I saw them earlier in the year against St. Mary's. They were very impressive. Obviously with players like Mark Lynch and Raymond Mulgrew they need to be respected. "We are expecting a tough game. We played Jordanstown last year and there was only a kick of the ball in it and we are not expecting anything different on Thursday evening. "We know that the lads who are coming in are going to be really tested. But that is what we want."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87270
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.
To be honest i cant see him making any impact at all. Good club footballer but would be very surprised if he was around come championship time.
Quote from: tyroneboi on January 02, 2008, 03:01:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.
To be honest i cant see him making any impact at all. Good club footballer but would be very surprised if he was around come championship time.
was he not tried out years ago when he was younger and had more to offer and still didnt make the grade then.
There was more to it than that. A bit of an argument led to his omission from the squad. His inclusion in 2008 may mean Mickey is burying hatchets.
Quote from: hardstation on January 02, 2008, 12:59:26 AM
Terry O Flanagan - Fear Manach
Kevin Anderson
daniel Bateson - Doire
Brendan Boggs - Tír Eoghain
John Boyle - An Dún
Colm Cavanagh Tír Eoghain
JAMES COLGAN - An Dún
Michael Corr
patrick cunningham - Aontroim
Ciaran donnelly - Tír Eoghain
Peter Donnelly - Tír Eoghain
Michael Drumm - Doire ??
Barry Dunnion - Dún na nGall
Bliain Gormley - Doire ??
charles harrison
Darren Hughes - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
Karl Lacey - Dún na nGall
Declan Lavery - An Dún
Mark Lynch - Doire
Paul Marlow - Tír Eoghain
Eamon Mc Conville An Dún ??
Adrian Mc Guckin - Doire ??
Shea McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
Stephen McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
Michael McAlister - An Dún
cormac mcavoy
tomas mccann - Aontroim
Damian McCaul - Tír Eoghain
Eamon McConville - An Dún ?? Is it the same boyo from before?
James McGovern - An Dún
Paul McGuigan - Muineacháin (Clontibret)
Test Message - God knows - ONeill reckons Doire.
Micheal Moran
Andy Moran
Donal Morgan - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
Raymond Mulgrew - Tír Eoghain
cathal murdock
Kieran Nolan
Terry O Flanagan - Fear Manach
Kevin Anderson - Antrim i think
daniel Bateson - Doire
Brendan Boggs - Tír Eoghain
John Boyle - An Dún
Colm Cavanagh Tír Eoghain
JAMES COLGAN - An Dún
Michael Corr - Tyrone (Galbally?)
patrick cunningham - Aontroim
Ciaran donnelly - Tír Eoghain
Peter Donnelly - Tír Eoghain
Michael Drumm - Doire ??
Barry Dunnion - Dún na nGall
Bliain Gormley - Doire ??
charles harrison - Sligo corner back
Darren Hughes - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
Karl Lacey - Dún na nGall
Declan Lavery - An Dún
Mark Lynch - Doire
Paul Marlow - Tír Eoghain
Eamon Mc Conville An Dún ??
Adrian Mc Guckin - Doire ??
Shea McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
Stephen McAleer - Muineacháin (Monaghan Harps)
Michael McAlister - An Dún
cormac mcavoy - Armagh (Silverbridge)
tomas mccann - Aontroim
Damian McCaul - Tír Eoghain
Eamon McConville - An Dún ?? Is it the same boyo from before?
James McGovern - An Dún
Paul McGuigan - Muineacháin (Clontibret)
Test Message - God knows - ONeill reckons Doire.
Micheal Moran
Andy Moran - Mayo
Donal Morgan - Muineacháin (Scotstown)
Raymond Mulgrew - Tír Eoghain
cathal murdock
Kieran Nolan
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.
What is Conall up to now? He was in Queens in my time above, sound man
Sayin as we're at it
QUB
Bourke Sean,
Bogue Niall,
Barton Shane,
Crilly Cathal,
Courtney Paul,
Crozier Justin,
Dillon Ryan,
Gallagher Aodhan,
Gallagher Hugh, Tír Eoghain
Grimley James,
Hughes Eoin,
Howard Luke,
Kelly Kevin,
Loughrey James,
Maginn Conor,
McComiskey Paul, - Down
McCrory Aidan,
McVey Paul,
Martin Benny,
Murphy Fergal,
O'Kane Joe,
O'Neill Dean, Tír Eoghain
O'Neill Ruairί,
O'Rourke Mίcheál,
Tierney Caoίlin, Tír Eoghain
Treanor Paul,
Vernon Charlie, Armagh
Ward Mickey, Tír Eoghain
Winters Kerril - Tír Eoghain
Lynch set to lead UUJ into battle
Mark Lynch will have the added responsibility of leading UUJ when they face Donegal in the McKenna Cup in Ballybofey on Thursday (2000 GMT). The Derry utility star, now in his third year at Jordanstown, stands in for Peter Donnelly who is out with a broken arm. Following QUB's win over Monaghan at the weekend, the Jordanstown students will be keen to follow suit. Donegal will be without key defenders Karl Lacey and Barry Dunion.
Gaelic Life McKenna Cup fixtures
Thursday, 3 January, Section B: Donegal v UUJ, Ballybofey (2000 GMT)
Saturday, 5 January, Section C: Queen's University v Antrim, Casement Park (1800)
Sunday, 6 January, Section A: St Mary's v Fermanagh, Lisnaskea (1400); Section B: Armagh v Derry, Lurgan (1400); UUJ v Tyrone, Omagh (1400); Section C: Cavan v Monaghan, Breffni Park (1400).
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7166631.stm
It's one game at a time for Harte
Mickey Harte will urge his squad to take one game at a time rather than focus their attention on winning the McKenna Cup for a fifth successive time this year. Ahead of his side's opener in the competition this weekend against UUJ, Harte says getting through to the penultimate round of the competition is his priority. "The aim is not to retain the cup, but firstly to qualify for the semi-final," Harte declared. "It gives us two angles, it keeps us in the competition, and it gives us a further competitive match in January, which is very important as we prepare for the league. "That's the most important thing, to try and make the cut for the semi-finals and try and get the fourth game. "We have players in the squad now, and we have to make decisions on the squad, and those decisions are better made based on competitive matches rather than anything else."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87275
Mickey Harte is the best manager in Ireland by a country mile. I respect him 100% and wish him well as a true GAA man. His own son mark is as good as most of the players on that list btw...
Is that you mark?
Anyone now if which games are on the box?
Quote from: Armagh Exile on January 01, 2008, 07:24:48 PM
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Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 04:12:04 PM
There was more to it than that. A bit of an argument led to his omission from the squad. His inclusion in 2008 may mean Mickey is burying hatchets.
Maybe so but he wasnt good enough back then either so I dont really see how he has improved that much since, cant see him making the grade to be honest.
Quote from: Muzz on January 03, 2008, 08:38:48 AM
Quote from: Armagh Exile on January 01, 2008, 07:24:48 PM
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Thought this game was being played in Davitt Park in Lurgan, has it been changed or am i wrong to begin with?
I am near sure the game is in Davitt Park, think there are two games being held there. It said so in the original fixture list you can download off the Gaelic Life site, also in the Lurgan Mail this week it had an announcement about a meeting for stewards! So if ts in Cross there could be a lot of angry people in Lurgan this Sunday!!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 01:15:25 PM
I am near sure the game is in Davitt Park, think there are two games being held there. It said so in the original fixture list you can download off the Gaelic Life site, also in the Lurgan Mail this week it had an announcement about a meeting for stewards! So if ts in Cross there could be a lot of angry people in Lurgan this Sunday!!
Definitely was planned for Davitt Park. Couldn't see our esteemed Chairman facing a second harranging from irate fellow clubmen in as many months by changing it at the last minute.
From BBC.....Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has handed a first senior start to seven players for the opening McKenna Cup game against UUJ at Omagh on Sunday (1400 GMT).
They include three from county champions Dromore - full-backs Fabian O'Neill and Cathal McCarron and Shaun O'Neill at full-forward.
Gary Reilly, Kevin McNally, Dominic Hands and Martin Swift also get a first start at senior level.
The Red Hands are chasing a fifth straight triumph in the competition.
There is a recall for Eglish's Conall Martin, who had a brief spell in the Tyrone colours in 1999 when Danny Ball was at the helm.
The midfielder previously played under Harte as a minor in 1997, and again as an under-21 player in 2000 when he collected an All-Ireland medal.
Owen Mulligan and Enda McGinley are the only All-Ireland medal winners named in the attack for Sunday.
Tyrone: J Devine, F O'Neill, C McCarron, M Swift, D Harte, C Gourley, D Carlin, C Martin, T McGuigan, D Hands, O Mulligan, G Reilly, K McNally, S O'Neill, E McGinley.
Glad to see O'Neill and McCarron get call ups..........can't see Fabian making the Championship team though
Dont think anyone can complain about Harte not doing enough experimenting with that team. Does anyone know much about how good Swift,Reilly,Hands or McNally are? Are any of them likely to be up to the standard?
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Looking forward to see if Conall Martin can make an impact.
What is Conall up to now? He was in Queens in my time above, sound man
Last I seen of him was presenting some TV show on TG4. Think he did some work at that Gaeltacht that was set up beside Cormac McAnallan's in the brantry - Campa Chormaic I think it was called.
I'd like to see Conall getting on well - probably be tough for him as he might not be up to that standard but hear's hoping anyway!!
Definitely a very refreshing line up - some of the senior boys will be thinking about their places now ??
Also good to see Ciaran Gourley there.
Campbell announces retirement
03 January 2008
Paddy Campbell will be a notable absentee from the Donegal team for Thursday night's McKenna Cup clash with UUJ after announcing his retirement from inter-county football. The Glenties clubman, who was part of Donegal's history-making National League winning side last year, represented the county with distinction for the past eight years, having made his debut at the age of 24. The 31-year-old was plucked from obscurity by Queen's University manager Dessie Ryan in 1999, and soon made the Donegal senior team after failing to play underage football with his county. Campbell won a Sigerson Cup medal in 2000 and subsequently become known as one of the top full backs in the game. However, his career was hit by controversy in 2006 when video evidence was used to suspend him following an incident involving Derry's Enda Muldoon in the Ulster football semi-final. Donegal boss Brian McIver is also planning for the new season without Ciaran Bonner, while fellow half forward Rory Kavanagh is facing a 12-week ban for allegedly interfering with a match official during the recent Donegal Division 1A League final between St. Eunan's and Ardara.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87326
Campbell will be a big miss for Donegal - he was solid at full back and was rarely taken to the cleaners.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UUJ will beat Donegal tonight!
Have 40sheets on them at 13/8!
Can't see them doing it - what price are Donegal - 4/6 ? 4/7 ?
They're 4/7 yeah. Am just going out on a limb here cuz got couple bets up so its not really my money I'm betting with.
UUJ have the strongest squad on the whole of the uni sides in my opinion so I'm hoping they spring a surprise.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 06:55:26 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say UUJ will beat Donegal tonight!
Have 40sheets on them at 13/8!
Good enough bet. With Donegal just returned to training and their eye on bgger fish this year UUJ have a chance.
Boomtown rats on at the moment "dont like Mondays"
http://www.emapdigitalradio.com/emapdigitalradio/metafiles/highland_32.asx
0-6 to 0-4 to UUJ with a missed penalty for UUJ
pts from mCfadden, walsh, and mcfadden
jordanstown from mckenna moran and ciaran donnelly
Any updates nkab?
Scorers so far:
Mc Fadden 0-1 to 0-0
David Walsh 0-2 to 0-0
McKenna 0-2 to 0-1
McFadden 0-3 to 0-1
Moran fisted pt 0-3 to 0-2
Donnelly free 0-3 to 0-3
McKenna
Donnelly
John Boyle 0-3 to 0-6
Bradley free 0-4 to 0-6
Donnelly MISSED PENALTY
Ryan Bradley Free 0-5 to 0-6
Stephen McHugh 0-6 to 0-6
Donnelly free 0-6 to 0-7
Donnelly 0-6 to 0-8
Witheroe on for Damien MccCafferty
Moran 0-6 to 0-9
HALF TIME
0-9 to 0-6 for Jordanstown and they missed a penalty. Hold together for the second half and the bets there ONL
Cheers nkab, loving the detail. Can't listen to the thing above, f**king speakers broke.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 08:42:44 PM
Cheers nkab, loving the detail. Can't listen to the thing above, f**king speakers broke.
No earphones?
Chickory tip? "Son of my father" is on now.
Now Robby Williams - Rock DJ. What a contrast!
Snowing heavily in Donegal. Start praying ONL They are looking for a different coloured ball!
0-10 to 0-9 to UUJ
Doherty pt 0-9 to 0-7
Roper pt 0-9 to 0-8
O'Flannery? 0-10 to 0-8
Roper 0-10 to 0-9
"Pinball Wizard" playing
What odds a draw now ??? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 09:10:20 PM
What odds a draw now ??? ;D ;D ;D
A draw would be
snow good Orangeman :D :D
2-11 to 0-9 to UUJ Two goals by Colm Cavanagh
Doherty pt 0-9 to 0-7
Roper pt 0-9 to 0-8
O'Flannery? 0-10 to 0-8
Roper 0-10 to 0-9
MCFADDEN MISSES GOAL CHANCE
Lynch point 0-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 1-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 2-11 to 0-9
Great music. Must listen to Highland more often :D
Sounds like game over ! Nice call with the bet earlier ! ;) ;)
Mama's and Papa's singing now "It's getting better" Not for Donegal by the sound of it :D
2-13 to 1-12 Game over
Donegal 1-12 Jordanstown 2-13
Mc Fadden 0-1 to 0-0
David Walsh 0-2 to 0-0
McKenna 0-2 to 0-1
McFadden 0-3 to 0-1
Moran fisted pt 0-3 to 0-2
Donnelly free 0-3 to 0-3
McKenna
Donnelly
John Boyle 0-3 to 0-6
Bradley free 0-4 to 0-6
Donnelly MISSED PENALTY
Ryan Bradley Free 0-5 to 0-6
Stephen McHugh 0-6 to 0-6
Donnelly free 0-6 to 0-7
Donnelly 0-6 to 0-8
Witheroe on for Damien MccCafferty
Moran 0-6 to 0-9
HALF TIME
0-9 to 0-6 for Jordanstown and they missed a penalty.
Doherty pt 0-9 to 0-7
Roper pt 0-9 to 0-8
O'Flannery? 0-10 to 0-8
Roper 0-10 to 0-9
MCFADDEN MISSES GOAL CHANCE
Lynch point 0-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 1-11 to 0-9
Cavanagh goal 2-11 to 0-9
Commentator too upset to go through rest of scorers:
Summary:
Cavanagh's two goals were fisted
McFadden scored a penalty (He was fouled)
and Brian Roper got the last point.
UUJ got two points somewhere in between.
High scoring contest - the students are really up for these games - more to come on Sunday ?? ???
Get in there, cheers for the updates NKAB.
fella was texting from the game saying about the snow, I would have been ripping if it was called off!
Students two up now, what about St Mary's then?? Love to see a uni side making the semis at least.
Donegal 1-12 2-13 UUJ
Two goals in the second half helped the students of UUJ to a convincing victory over Donegal in Group B of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup on Thursday night. UUJ held a slender at Ballybofey when Tyrone man Kavanagh got his double strike, both fisted from close-range. Donegal's goal came late in the game with Colm McFadden netting a penalty. Jordanstown were nine points to six up at half-time but would have been further ahead if Ciaran Donnelly had not sent his penalty well wide. Donnelly did, though, contribute two frees plus two scores from play in the opening period with other points from Andy Moran (2), Brendan McKenna (2) and John Boyle. Donegal had been 0-3 to 0-1 up early on thanks to two points from Colm McFadden and one from David Walsh. However, the students scored five without reply before the home side got it back to six points each through Ryan Bradley (2) and Stephen McHugh. Scores from Owen Doherty and Brian Roper (2) helped Donegal cut UUJ's lead to 10 points to nine, but a point from substitute Terry O'Flanagan and those Kavanagh goals gave the students breathing space.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7166631.stm
SOMEBODY TELL THEM IT'S CAVANAGH
LIVE UPDATES !!!
03 Jan 2008
Tyrone v UUJ Sunday 6th January 2008
There will be LIVE UPDATES from the first round of the Dr McKenna Cup match here on Sunday from 1.30pm.
Tyrone Team - J Devine, F O'Neill, C McCarron, M Swift, D Harte, C Gourley, D Carlin, C Martin, T McGuigan, D Hands, O Mulligan, G Reilly, K McNally, S O'Neill, E McGinley
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=494
Did Raymie Mulgrew play last night? If so how did he get on?
That Tyrone website is good, was it the same one that gave live updates of the county championship final? Lot of other county sites should follow suit.
We're not gonna get anything from the BBC or ITV anyway!
Donegal men flounder in a Ballybofey blizzard
Dr McKenna Cup Group B: Donegal 1-12 UUJ 2-13
From Gerry McLaughlin at Ballybofey
Ballybofey was colder than a stepmother's kiss as Donegal's debutants tamely succumbed to a lively UUJ before a hardy 900 souls last night.
Snowflakes fell like confetti on the north west's stadium of light as referee Martin Sludden called for an orange, or even yellow, ball, which eventually arrived in the second-half to avoid confusion.
A raw east wind made this a pretty numbing experience for all concerned and prompted two of Jordanstown's finest to wear "long john" type tracksuits.
Mayo star Andy Moran and Ciaran Donnelly had no goose pimples, but they gave the Tir Chonaill rearguard some testing moments.
Tyrone star Colm Cavanagh was an even bigger executioner, as his two goals midway through the second-half in the space of three minutes put real daylight between the sides.
Donegal adapted to the conditions swiftest and three fine points in the opening 10 minutes underlined their intentions.
David Walsh, one of four Tir Chonaill debutants, hit a superb left-footed point in the fifth minute.
His effort book-ended two McFadden points, one from a free and the other after a dizzy 12-man move.
But with Andy Moran giving veteran Niall McCready a torrid time and Down's John Boyle perplexing a sluggish Eamon McGee, the Poly clawed back big time.
Boyle and Ciaran Donnelly were given the freedom of Ballybofey as they hit some effortless points to put the lively students in front by 0-6 to 0-3.
That advantage could have been opper-fastened in the 25th minute when big Neil Gallagher hauled Poly full-forward Thomas McCann down in the square.
Ciaran Donnelly's very poorly struck penalty trickled past the post and Donegal celebrated their let-off with well-struck points from Colm McFadden and Ryan Bradley to level matters by the 28th minute.
But the Poly finished strongest and it took a canny interception from corner-back McCready to deny the elegant Moran a certain goal.
McCready then handled on the ground and Donnelly hit the first of two coolly-struck frees to put UUJ ahead by 0-9 to 0-6 at the interval.
The students were, predictably, much fitter than Donegal, as Brian McIver replaced full-back McLafferty with Peter Witherow and "cold victim" Neil Gallagher gave way to Denis Boyle.
As the temperature plummeted even further, it heralded some warm-blooded exchanges as Colm Cavanagh and Kevin Rafferty were given yellow cards by referee Sludden.
Veteran Brian Roper hit a cheeky point for Tir Chonail but Colm Cavanagh punched a cross to the net in the 53rd minute as Donegal bemoaned a spurned chance from Colm McFadden moments earlier.
Cavanagh found the net again three minutes later to effectively seal this encounter.
And, even though McFadden made some amends when he won and converted a penalty 10
minutes from time, it was too little too lateA deserved victory for a much fitter Jordanstown outfit who are continuing the trend set by Queen's against Monaghan.
They could be a real threat in the Sigerson Cup this year again.
But apart from David Walsh, Brian McIver does not have a lot of emerging talent this year. With a weekend holiday looming, and the return of some resting stars, he will be hoping for a much more focused display against Tyrone on Sunday week.
Brendan Devenney, Christy Toye, Rory Kavanagh and Kevin Cassidy would have made a big difference.
But the Poly have a few Tir Chonaill aces themselves including Karl Lacey, who will certainly make a real difference in this
competition.
MATCH STATS
Donegal: C Sharkey; N McCready, D McClafferty, P McDaid; F McGlynn, E McGee, S McHugh (0-1); N Gallagher, K Rafferrty; B Roper (0-4), O Doherty (0-1), D Walsh (0-1); K McMenamin, R Bradley (0-2), C McFadden (1-3, 1f).
Subs: P Witherow for D McClafferty, D Boyle for N Gallagher, C Byrne for K McMenamin
UUJ: M McAlister; C Harrison, D McCaul,
D Morgan; K Nolan, P McGuigan, D Hughes; B McKenna, C Cavanagh (2-0); R Mulgrew, J Boyle (0-1), C Donnelly (0-5, 2f); M Lynch (0-21f), T McCann(0-1), A Moran(0-2).
Subs: M Drumm for K Nolan, T O'Flanagan (0-1) for J Boyle, B Gormley for C Donnelly.
Referee: M Sludden(Tyrone)
Has Andy Moran just gone to UUJ this year? Was he with Sligo Rtc last year?
He played for sligo in the sigerson against jordanstown at the dub when that was on - was that last year or the year before? Actually I think that was last year. Sounds like another Jim McGuinness...
Very useful forward that boy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 04, 2008, 11:02:55 AM
Donegal men flounder in a Ballybofey blizzard
Dr McKenna Cup Group B: Donegal 1-12 UUJ 2-13
From Gerry McLaughlin at Ballybofey
Ballybofey was colder than a stepmother's kiss as Donegal's debutants tamely succumbed to a lively UUJ before a hardy 900 souls last night.
Need to be careful there Gerry. Comments like that could cause you all sorts of bother :o
McCusker to make Derry return
03 January 2008
Niall McCusker could make his long awaited return to the Derry team in Sunday's McKenna Cup clash with Armagh at Lurgan.
The highly-rated defender hasn't played for the Oak Leafers since March 2005 due to a persistent back problem, and has yet to feature under Paddy Crozier who is entering his third season as manager. However, the Ballinderry clubman has battled his way back to full fitness and is expected to feature against the Orchard County on Sunday. "Niall has been going very well for us and he's put in a huge pre-season effort," said Derry spokesman Martin Heaney. "He's looking very trim at the minute. I would say he will be in the mix at the weekend along with a number of guys." McCusker could come into the side at full back with All-Star Kevin McCloy due to undergo surgery to repair a finger injury, while Sean Marty Lockhart is still recovering from a similar operation.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87323
FOUR DR. McKENNA CUP GAMES TO BE SCREENED LIVE
Gaels across Ulster will be delighted by the news that TG4 are to broadcast four Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup games live to viewers.
This Sunday sees the first live game as Armagh take on Derry in Davitt Park Lurgan, in what is a repeat of last years All Ireland SFC Qualifier tie.
On Sunday 13th January, TG4 will be showing the mouth-watering tie between National League Champions Donegal and Ulster Champions Tyrone in Ballyshannon. These two sides also met in the final of this competition last year with the O'Neill men coming out on top, so Donegal will surely be keen to avenge that defeat.
When we get down to the Semi-Final stage, the second semi-final between the Winners of Section A and the Fourth Placed Team will be broadcast live, with the venue yet to be decided. This game will be on Sunday 20th January with a 2.00pm throw in time.
TG4 have also committed to showing the final of the competition live, which will be on Saturday 26th January under lights, with the venue to be confirmed.
www.orchardcounty.com
Donegal 1-12 UUJ 2-13
Friday, 4 January 2008
University of Ulster Jordanstown made an impressive start to the 2008 Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup by beating an experimental Donegal side at Ballybofey. Two goals in the space of three minutes from Tyrone's Colm Cavanagh inspired the Jordanstown students to a memorable win in freezing temperatures at MacCumhaill Park. Four points from Ciaran Donnelly helped UUJ to a 0-9 to 0-6 interval lead, but he also pushed missed a penalty. Donegal cut the gap to a point before Colm McFadden missed a gilt-edged goal chance. Cavanagh's brace followed and McFadden's late penalty was only a consolation score. Donegal were without a number of their regulars but could still call on the likes of captain Neil Gallagher, Brian Roper, Kevin McMenamin and McFadden. The reigning National League champions needed that experience against a team that their manager Brian McIver rates as "one of the top three university sides in the country." McIver's men got off to a solid enough start and led 0-3 to 0-1 thanks to points from McFadden, who bagged an early brace, and Naomh Brid clubman David Walsh. In between, John Boyle from Down registered UUJ's opening and the students soon found their rhythm by grabbing five points in a row, including a fisted effort from Mayo's Andy Moran, two from Donnelly and one each from Boyle and Brendan McKenna. UUJ may have snuck through for a goal as their lively play continued to light up a wintry evening. A foul on McMenamin allowed Ryan Bradley to stop the rot with a well-taken free, while a Stephen McHugh effort soon levelled the sides at 0-6 apiece. Despite Donnelly's penalty miss, UUJ ended the half on the up with a succession of points from the on form Donnelly (0-2) and Moran. Snow fell heavily for an eight-minute spell during the second half and Donegal seemed to adapt better with two points from Brian Roper and another from Owen Doherty helping the hosts cut the gap to a single point. The game was on a knife-edge with UUJ just holding onto a 0-10 to 0-9 lead when McFadden latched onto a through ball and had only the goalkeeper to beat but the left corner forward blazed wide and the students breathed a collective sigh of relief.
Their captain, Derry's Mark Lynch, thumped over an excellent point from wide out on the right to get them back on track and things then got even better for the UUJ youngsters, who are jointly managed by Adrian McGuckin, a member of McIver's own backroom staff. Two swift passing moves led to the clinching goals for Cavanagh, who fisted both efforts home from close range. With time running out, McFadden converted a penalty to reduce the arrears to 2-13 to 1-11 but there was no late surge from McIver's charges who could only tag on a final point through Roper.
Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0104/mckennacup.html
McKenna Cup fixture between Antrim and Queen's is POSTPONED.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7172815.stm
05 January 2008
The Antrim v QUB McKenna Cup Round 1 game at Casement Park on Saturday has been postponed due to a snow covered Casement Park.
The game will now be played on Wednesday 16th January, Casement at 8pm
(http://antrim.gaa.ie/resize.asp?p=1&i=Casement+Park%2Ebmp&w=150)
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=643
Never been to a game in Lurgan. Can anyone give me directions to the park for tomorrows game? Thanks in advance.
Go off at Lurgan roundabout - take right up past ski slope to a T junction - take a left back in to the town - park is just past filling station on your RHS
Micheal Brides (St. Oliver Plunketts)
James Carolan (Lavey)
Alan Clarke (Kingscourt)
James Clarke (Killenkere)
Mark Cunningham (Swanlinbar)
Micheal Cunningham (Swanlinbar)
Gavin Doyle (Arva)
Rory Donohoe (Belturbet)
Keith Fannin (Drumgoon)
Austin Fitzpatrick (Killeshandra)
Anthony Forde (Cavan Geals)
Anthony Gaynor (Ballinagh)
Declan Gaffney (Crosserlough)
Colm Hannon (Drumgoon)
Mark Johnston (Cornafean)
Niall Madden (Gowna)
Lorcan Mulvey (Butlersbridge)
John McCabe (Munterconnaught)
Ryan McCormack (Kingscourt)
John McCutcheon (Cootehill)
Mark McKeever (Gowna)
James O'Reilly (Drung)
Finbar O'Reilly (Lacken)
Eddie O'Reilly (Mullahoran)
Padraic O'Reilly (Ballinagh)
Jason Reilly (Belturbet)
Martin Reilly (Killygarry)
Darren Rabbitte (Cavan Geals)
David Rooney (Bailieborough)
Cavan Panel for McKenna Cup
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 05, 2008, 12:16:01 PM
05 January 2008
The Antrim v QUB McKenna Cup Round 1 game at Casement Park on Saturday has been postponed due to a snow covered Casement Park.
The game will now be played on Wednesday 16th January, Casement at 8pm
(http://antrim.gaa.ie/resize.asp?p=1&i=Casement+Park%2Ebmp&w=150)
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=643
FFS I was allowed to go to this too. Had bought a new hat an all.
Its raining pretty heavy now in Beal Feirste. I'd have thought that Casement would have been okay.
Man Utd's on at same time.
It's off and that's that !!!!!!!! Hope Utd get stuffed !!! ;) ;)
QuoteTyrone v UUJ
UUJ are hoping the fact that holders Tyrone are putting out an experimental line-up could help them claim another win in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup. Red Hands boss Mickey Harte is using the competition to look at many of the county's emerging youngsters. A student side has never progressed from the group stages but UUJ would be well placed if they could add to their opening win over Donegal. Sunday's Group B clash at Healy Park in Omagh has a 1400GMT throw-in.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173375.stm
Should be an interesting clash tomorrow. Both Monaghan and Donegal weren't really up for it against well organised student opposition. Tyrone also have an experimental side out but I expect the "fit from the Championship" Dromore contingent to be firing on all cylinders in addition to Gourley. I'm looking forward to seeing the Killyclogher duo on the left and McNally will probably be given free taking responsibilities. With Enda probably coming out Mugsy will have to be at his best to marshall the inexperienced county forwards around him. Cathal McCarron did well at his home pitch when given a run out in last years competition and we may well see him. All the Tyrone players for UUJ, including Cavanagh, will really be up for this clash. I think they will find Tyrone more competitive. A draw?
Is Q covering the Tyrone Game?
QuoteFermanagh v St Mary's
The McKenna Cup opener at Lisnaskea will give Fermanagh boss Malachy O'Rourke the chance to try out new recruits to the panel (1400 GMT). Barry Mulrone, Paddy Mohan, Cathal McCaffrey, Ciaran Leonard, Niall Cassidy and Patrick Cadden are among the newcomers. St Mary's are likely to be without Kevin Niblock and Barry McGoldrick because of injuries. However, Ballinderry's Michael McIver is set to start for the students.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173399.stm
I expect Q101 will also be updating from this too.
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2008, 03:13:02 PM
Man Utd's on at same time.
Quote from: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 03:32:22 PM
It's off and that's that !!!!!!!! Hope Utd get stuffed !!! ;) ;)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44337000/jpg/_44337116_rooney_pa300.jpg)
The louth FF? JP something....? ;D
Cavan v Monaghan
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney is expected to keep faith with his new faces despite the defeat by Queen's in their opening McKenna Cup game. The Belfast students enjoyed a 0-10 to 0-09 win at Clones last Sunday in the Group C fixture. Monaghan will be using the McKenna competition to find new players. Thomas Freeman is expected to again play some part for Monaghan as his eight-week ban only covers club games.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173420.stm
Boylesports were a huge 7/2 for a UUJ win this morning. Moved to 5/2 after someone's bet hinted that the price was wrong.
Anyone know where I can get team lists for the matches today?? BBC arent too helpful
QuoteTyrone v UUJ Sunday 6th January 2008
FINAL SCORE TYRONE 0-9 UUJ 0-12
Colm McCullagh converts an easy free to give Tyrone a late consolation point, both sides finishing the match with 14 men after Dominic Hands had to be carried off on his debut with all substitutions made. It's Tyrone's first McKenna Cup defeat in nearly five years (Tyrone 0-9 UUJ 0-12)
Jordanstown substitute John Boyle gives the students a four-point lead once again with their twelfth point of the afternoon (Tyrone 0-8 UUJ 0-12)
Tyrone substitute Aidan McCarron leaves three points between the sides with three minutes left as he slots over a 13 metre free after a foul on Davy Harte (Tyrone 0-8 UUJ 0-11)
With ten minutes left Dominic Hands reduces the deficit to four points with a point from a close-in free kick, his second score of the game (Tyrone 0-7 UUJ 0-11)
Mark Lynch stylishly curls over a left-footed point from the left wing, moments after Colm Cavanagh receives a red card after an off the ball incident involving Colin Holmes, who picks up a yellow card (Tyrone 0-6 UUJ 0-11)
Davy Harte and Colin Holmes combine to set up Gary Reilly for his second point of the day, a well taken score with his left foot (Tyrone 0-6 UUJ 0-10)
Ciaran Donnelly strengthens Jordanstown's position further with a brilliant turn and point from out on the right wing, his fourth point of the match (Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 0-10)
Derry's Mark Lynch promptly restores Jordanstown's half-time lead from a free kick (Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 0-9)
Davy Harte gives Tyrone a good start to the second half with a cool finish from out on the left wing, after a Jordanstown defender almost fisted into his own net (Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 0-8)
Paul Marlow is brought into the Jordanstown team for the second half to join fellow Tyrone men Damian McCaul, Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh, Raymond Mulgrew and Ciaran Donnelly in the UUJ colours
Tyrone make three changes for the second half with P J Quinn, Colin Holmes and Colm McCullagh replacing Fabian O'Neill, Conal Martin and Kevin McNally
The half-time whistle arrives with Jordanstown holding a deserved four-point lead, 0-8 to 0-4, with five of their scores coming from Tyrone men, Ciaran Donnelly, Raymond Mulgrew and Brendan Boggs. Tyrone's four points were registered by Dominic Hands, Gary Reilly, Tommy McGuigan and Kevin McNally.
Carrickmore's Kevin McNally, one of seven Tyrone debutants, opens his Tyrone account with a neat pointed free from out near the right corner (Tyrone 0-4 UUJ 0-8)
Brendan Boggs, one of five Tyrone men in the UUJ line-up, swings over a superb long-range point to increase Jordanstown's lead (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-8)
Raymond Mulgrew puts a great ball inside to allow Andy Moran to stroke over his second point of the game and give UUJ a four-point cushion (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-7)
Mayo man Andy Moran restores Jordanstown's three -point advantage with a close-in point (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-6)
The best point of the day so far comes from the boot of Tommy McGuigan who makes a difficult angle look easy with a sweet strike from the left wing (Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-5)
A foul on Mark Lynch enables Ciaran Donnelly to hit his third pointed free inside five minutes (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-5)
Brocagh man Ciaran Donnelly converts another free from the left wing to give Jordanstown a two-point lead over the McKenna Cup holders (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-4)
Another Tyrone man Ciaran Donnelly sends UUJ back into the lead with a pointed free from 30 metres out (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-3)
The first goal chance of the day falls to the Red Hands as Owen Mulligan passes inside for debutant Gary Reilly whose shot rises just too much and goes over the bar for a second Tyrone equaliser (Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-2)
Jordanstown regain the lead when Tyrone star Raymond Mulgrew thumps over a superb point from the right wing (Tyrone 0-1 UUJ 0-2)
Tyrone equalise when Shaun O'Neill feeds the ball back to fellow debutant Dominic Hands and the Dungannon man neatly slots the ball between the posts (UUJ 0-1 Tyrone 0-1)
Jordanstown take a 2nd minute lead with an excellent finish from Monaghan midfielder Brendan McKenna (UUJ 0-1 Tyrone 0-0)
Tyrone Team - J Devine, F O'Neill, C McCarron, M Swift, D Harte, C Gourley, D Carlin, C Martin, T McGuigan, D Hands, O Mulligan, G Reilly, K McNally, S O'Neill, E McGinley
Subs: P J Quinn for F O'Neill, C Holmes for C Martin, C McCullagh for K McNally, M Penrose for E McGinley, Aidan McCarron for O Mulligan
UUJ Team - C Murdock, C Harrison, D McCaul, D Morgan, B Boggs, P McGuigan, D Hughes, C Cavanagh, B McKenna, R Mulgrew, B Gormley, C Donnelly, A Moran, T McCann, M Lynch
Subs: Paul Marlow, John Boyle, James Colgan, Terry O'Flanigan
Sourced Tyronegaa.ie: http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=494 (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=494)
Fast work by the website. Hopefully this will be the thing to come in 2008.
Results: McKenna Cup
Sunday 6 January
Group A
ST MARY'S 1-11 1-18 FERMANAGH
ARMAGH 0-6 2-9 DERRY
Group B
UUJ 0-12 0-9 TYRONE
Group C
CAVAN 0-15 1-9 MONAGHAN
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173876.stm
Armagh 0-6 2-9 Derry
Peter McDonnell's first match in charge of Armagh ended in a nine-point defeat by Derry in their opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup match at Davitt Park. Derry were a goal and two points up early on with Sean Leo McGoldrick tucking away a fourth-minute goal. Armagh's Stefan Forker missed a penalty but he landed two frees to cut Derry's lead to 1-4 to 0-5 at half-time. Brian Mallon scored Armagh's only point of the second half with McGoldrick getting another goal for Derry. Oak Leaf forward Enda Lynn won the man of the match award.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7173922.stm
not bad from a tyrone point of view. mickey will have been glad to see so many tyrone boys get competitive action. Mulgrew was the difference, referee seemed to be on another planet! thought at one time he was whistling for marks, aussie rules style!
Couldnt see anything to be optimistic about the Armagh performance. Forker scored two points but missed about 4, or 7 if you include the penalty.
Understrength Cavan team beat an understrength Monaghan team 0-15 to 1-09,
Some good scores.
Monaghan threw on some of the big guns, McQuaid,JP Mone,Tommy Freeman and Rory Woods to try and make a game of it ;) ;D
Good to see your young fella Lynn get MOM today, he showed very well
Am I right in thinking there was an article about him in the Gaelic Life a month or so ago touting him as the next big thing or is my mind playing tricks on me?
UUJ 0-12 0-9 Tyrone
UUJ inflicted Tyrone's first McKenna Cup defeat in five years with this win at Omagh on Sunday. The holders faced a students side which contained six Red Hands senior players and they inflicted much of the damage. Ciaran Donnelly, Raymond Mulgrew and Brendan Boggs scored against their home county as a fitter UUJ led a new-look Tyrone 0-8 to 0-4 at the break. UUJ's Colm Cavanagh, another Tyrone man, was sent off for two yellow cards in a tight second half. Donnelly sent over three points in the opening half in front of 3,885 spectators at Healy Park. Cavanagh was dismissed 18 minutes into the second half but his absence failed to make a difference to the balance of the game. It is a second win in four days for Jordanstown after they defeated Donegal 2-13 to 1-12 on Thursday.
The Red Hands are chasing a fifth straight triumph in the McKenna Cup.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7174027.stm
Strange start to the new year seeing Tyrone outplayed in the Mckenna.
Glad MH used this to blood new players though, about time we saw what is coming up through the ranks.Thought throughout the game Tyrone were very sluggish, students (obviously) much sharper. Few options for Tyrone players on the ball and the amount of good posession wasted through kicks to nowhere was sinfull. Thought Tyrone had too many players staying narrow, through the middle and failed to use the width of the field as much as they could have. Shooting too was very poor - no-one prepared to have a go from outside 25-30.
Positives:
-Snowy O'Neill: showed and fought for everything, was best Tyrone player on show.
-McCarron: looked comfortable enough at FB after a few first half jitters.
-Unfit, minus several players and with no MF in the first half we stayed in the game rightly.
-The Tyrone players on the UUJ side were immense. Mulgrew a class apart and bodes well for the NFL. There were six on the student team at one stage, almost like Tyrone c vs b.
Negatives:
-Fabian: not county class. Roasted all half and rightly taken off at HT.
-MF in first half, non existant.
-Tommy McGuigan: time and time again gave away posession under no pressure whatsoever. Expected much much more.
On the whole if we get 3-4 players who will compete for 1st 15 spots from the McKenna then happy days.
St Mary's 1-11 1-18 Fermanagh
Fermanagh eased to a seven-point victory over the students in their McKenna Cup opener at Lisnaskea.
John Cunningham's fifth minute goal helped St Mary's into an early lead but the Ernemen hit back and Shaun Doherty netted on 18 minutes. Both sides had periods of dominance in the first half but Fermanagh held a commanding 1-11 to 1-5 half-time lead. St Mary's scored three points without reply after the break but Fermanagh stayed in command to claim the points.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7174024.stm
Looks like St Mary's might be the weaker of the University sides. Either that or Fermanagh are flying - time will tell.
I think MH is using the Mc Kenna cup to give a lot of players a run - a lot of people were saying - why doesn't he try this one and that one - today he did and found out a lot - and I'd say he'll use the rest of the Mc Kenna cup to do the same thing.
Dr McKenna Cup round-up
Sunday, 6 January 2008 19:59
Tyrone's grip on the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup was loosened somewhat at Omagh this afternoon as a hungry UUJ side handed the Red Hands their first defeat in the competition in five years. The Jordanstown students, who defeated Donegal in snowy conditions on Thursday, lined out with six Tyrone players and were full value for their 0-12 to 0-9 win. Red Hand squad members Ciaran Donnelly, Raymond Mulgrew and Brendan Boggs all scored against their home county as UUJ took a 0-8 to 0-4 lead into the second half. UUJ had Colm Cavanagh, another one of their Tyrone contingent, sent off for two yellow cards during the second period. Just as he did against Donegal, Donnelly caught the eye by notching three fine points in the first half. In front of a 3,885-strong Healy Park crowd, three successive frees from Brocagh man Donnelly nudged UUJ into a 0-5 to 0-2 lead. Tommy McGuigan replied for Tyrone with a excellent point from a tight angle on the left but Mayo's Andy Moran landed two points in reply, the second set up by the impressive Mulgrew. Boggs then got his name on the scoresheet to move UUJ 0-8 to 0-3 ahead before Carrickmore's Kevin McNally, one of seven Tyrone debutants on show, pointed a free from the right to narrow the gap for the champions to four points. Tyrone boss Mickey Harte brought PJ Quinn, Colin Holmes and Colm McCullagh into the fray for the second half and a point from Davy Harte got the Red Hands off to a good start. But two points from Derryman Mark Lynch, UUJ's captain, helped them move 0-11 to 0-6 clear, just moments after Cavanagh received his marching orders for an off-the-ball clash with Holmes. Dominic Hands, who scored with a close range free, and substitute Aidan McCarron, who pointed a free after a foul on Davy Harte, reduced the arrears for Tyrone to 0-11 to 0-8 with three minutes remaining. Debutant Hands had to be carried off near the finish as his injury came after Tyrone had emptied their bench, meaning the sides saw out the game with 14 players each. Substitute John Boyle registered UUJ's final point before Tyrone's McCullagh got a late consolation score from a placed ball.
Meanwhile, an under-strength Armagh outfit lost 2-9 to 0-6 to Derry in their new manager Peter McDonnell's first game in charge. Derry took charge of this Davitt Park encounter early on with Sean Leo McGoldrick finding the net in the fourth-minute, but two points from Stefan Forker, who also missed a penalty, got Armagh back in touch by half-time. The Orchard county trailed by 1-4 to 0-5 at the break but could only add a single point during a forgettable second half - Brian Mallon being the scorer. Helped by a man-of-the-match performance from Enda Lynn, Derry kept the pressure on and were rewarded with a second goal for McGoldrick. At Lisnakea, St Mary's lose their grip on an early lead as they went down to Fermanagh on a 1-18 to 1-11 scoreline. The sides swapped goals - John Cunningham's netted for the students in the fifth-minute and Shaun Doherty raised a green flag for Fermanagh in the 18th-minute - before the Ernesiders pulled 1-11 to 1-5 clear by the break. Cavan won this afternoon's McKenna Cup derby match at Kingspan Breffni Park - they beat their neighbours Monaghan by 0-15 to 1-9. A 30th-minute goal from Eoin Duffy kept Monaghan in the hunt as Cavan took a 0-9 to 1-2 lead into the interval. Jason O'Reilly kept the men in blue ticking and he top-scored with four points. 2007 All-Star Thomas Freeman was sprung from the bench, midway through the second half, for the Farney men and he bagged three points.
Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0106/mckenna.html
So basically Tyrone were beat by Tyrone students. Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?
Quote from: corn02 on January 06, 2008, 10:41:25 PM
Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?
Did Holmes ever play for the Moy?
Quote from: corn02 on January 06, 2008, 10:41:25 PM
So basically Tyrone were beat by Tyrone students. Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?
Mistook him for an apple-chomper.
I think he did before going to Harps, could be very wrong though? Just you don't expect two people who will be on the same squad later in the year to be involved with each other. Of course it could of been minor.
Quote from: corn02 on January 06, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
I think he did before going to Harps, could be very wrong though? Just you don't expect two people who will be on the same squad later in the year to be involved with each other. Of course it could of been minor.
All I know is that they were reported by an umpire (probably from Derry ;D) who held his hand up for ages to capture the ref's attention. Both got yellow cards but Cavanagh's was his second.
Holmes did play for the Moy, I doubt that has anything to do with it though.
I think it was simply a case that Holmes was sent on to quieten young Cavanagh who was allowed the run of the park in the 1st half. Cavanagh inexperience left him unable to deal sensibly with the close attention. A case of an old head, cancelling out young legs
Highlights from UUJ V Donegal including Colm Cavanagh's goals can be found on following clip from UTV: It is on the second page so fast forward to the end of the first page and allow the second clip to appear. then fast forward to 9.33 minutes:
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080104-hi.asx
New Armagh manager Peter McDonnell was not pleased by their comprehensive beating by Derry in the opening McKenna Cup game on Sunday but stresses the McKenna Cup is a type of trial for the season ahead. Hear the interview here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/sport/other_sport/audio/143000/bb/143053_au_bb.ram
Highlights from Tyrone V Poly game and Derry V Armagh game from UTV on the link below. It is on the second page so fast forward to the end of the first page and allow the second clip to appear. Then fast forward to 8.00 minutes:
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080107-hi.asx
Quote from: tyroneman on January 06, 2008, 06:00:06 PM
Strange start to the new year seeing Tyrone outplayed in the Mckenna.
Glad MH used this to blood new players though, about time we saw what is coming up through the ranks.Thought throughout the game Tyrone were very sluggish, students (obviously) much sharper. Few options for Tyrone players on the ball and the amount of good posession wasted through kicks to nowhere was sinfull. Thought Tyrone had too many players staying narrow, through the middle and failed to use the width of the field as much as they could have. Shooting too was very poor - no-one prepared to have a go from outside 25-30.
Positives:
-Snowy O'Neill: showed and fought for everything, was best Tyrone player on show.
-McCarron: looked comfortable enough at FB after a few first half jitters.
-Unfit, minus several players and with no MF in the first half we stayed in the game rightly.
-The Tyrone players on the UUJ side were immense. Mulgrew a class apart and bodes well for the NFL. There were six on the student team at one stage, almost like Tyrone c vs b.
Negatives:
-Fabian: not county class. Roasted all half and rightly taken off at HT.
-MF in first half, non existant.
-Tommy McGuigan: time and time again gave away posession under no pressure whatsoever. Expected much much more.
On the whole if we get 3-4 players who will compete for 1st 15 spots from the McKenna then happy days.
Thanks for that
tyroneman, good to hear that Raymie Mulgrew is fulfulling some of that prodigious promise, not to mention the rest of the Poly lads. Generally promising overall too -- I would hope that Tommy Mc Guigan is suffering little more than ring-rustiness, if a little ominous for Fabian, who must be at the top of his fitness at this point.
A very satisfying exercise for MH I'd say, much more valuable than having the students on the Tyrone team at this point.
Good exercise for MH alright - will be interesting to see what side he fileds for the Championship preview.
Just goes to show however how valuable Sean Cavanagh is to the team - need him driving through the middle to create space for others to move into. Brings a much needed (and completely missing on Sunday) dynamic to the team.
Mulgrew is a class act and if he continues the way hes going may well justify MHs assertion he will have an all star in 5 years (said in 2006)
Don't know much about Donnelly playing for the poly as I've been living away from Tyrone a good while now - is he worth a genuine go or was that just a one off performance?
Quote from: corn02 on January 06, 2008, 10:41:25 PM
Surprised to see Cavanagh involved with Holmes, what happened there?
It was handbag stuff. They were niggling at eachother then Colm tripped Holmes and pulled him down on top of him. A little wrestling on the ground Colm got up got the pass won the free then the ref spotted the umpires now tired arm. Referee was a joke.
Don't know where everyone is coming from regarding Mulgrew having a fine game. He only really came into it late in the second half when obviously Gourley and alot of the Tyrones fitness levels were not matching his. He did link some great play from half back to half forward and used the ball well. He wont get the same space and time come Championship time.
Alot of the other posts are spot on. Fabian is too fast for his own good. Andy Moran kept turning him and winning frees too handy.
Reilly, Hands and Swift didnt look out of place. Martin and McNally didnt do themselves any favours but at least deserve another run out.
Tyrone Team Announced
07 Jan 2008
Comórtas: Corn Mhic Chionaoith, Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v An Dún,
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, an Omaigh, Dáta: 09-01-08
1 Pascal McConnell
2 PJ Quinn
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Marty Swift
5 John Gilmore
6 Dermot Carlin
7 Philip Jordan
8 Kelvin Hughes
9 Enda McGinley
10 Ryan Mellon
11 Colm Donnelly
12 Aidan McCarron
13 Cathal McCarron
14 Tommy McGuigan
15 Paul Rouse
16 Jonathan Curran
17 Conor Gormley
18 Ciaran Gourley
19 David Harte
20 Colin Holmes
21 Colm McCullagh
22 Mickey McGee
23 Kevin McNally
24 Conal Martin
25 Owen Mulligan
26 Fabian O'Neill
27 Martin Penrose
28 Gary Reilly
Damán Ó hAirmhí
Oifigeach Caidreamh Poiblí
I hope Mickey continues to give the big guns time out. Plenty of time before we need to see the likes of Sean or Phillip. The likes of Fabian may have been trying too hard. The match v Down may see a more relaxed VX.
Word of warning - the Mourne county have employed, free of charge, an astute statistician, hand-written too.
How many buckin' McCarrons are there?
You can't sat that players aren't getting a chance - fair play to Mickey - I think he has got it spot on so far. But there's a long way to go yet ! ;) ;) ;) :D
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 06, 2008, 05:33:05 PM
Good to see your young fella Lynn get MOM today, he showed very well
Am I right in thinking there was an article about him in the Gaelic Life a month or so ago touting him as the next big thing or is my mind playing tricks on me?
Yep and here it is....
http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/GL/free/317023794137985.php
Quote from: hardstation on January 08, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
Is this the official McKenna cup thread?
If so - does any man, woman or baste know what the Ants' starting team is tomorrow night?
Tyrone make 10 changes for Down Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has made 10 changes for Wednesday night's McKenna Cup Section B meeting with Down at Healy Park in Omagh. Although Philip Jordan and Ryan Mellon return after the UUJ defeat, it is still very much an experimental side. In Section A, Fermanagh face Armagh at Breffni Park while Derry tackle the students of St Mary's at Ballinderry. In Section C, Antrim face Cavan at Casement Park. All games have a 2000 GMT throw-in. Meanwhile, Harte is giving every chance to produce some new faces for the new Championship season. Having handed out seven debuts last weekend, Harte gives another new boy a run with John Gilmore in at wing back. Cathal McCarron and Martin Swift, both in the full back line, are the only survivors from last Sunday's newcomers.
Tyrone, winners of the McKenna Cup for the past four seasons, are bidding to bounce back from their first defeat in the competition in five years.
Tyrone: P McConnell; PJ Quinn, C McCarron (Dromore), M Swift; J Gilmore, D Carlin, P Jordan; K Hughes, E McGinley, R Mellon; C Donnelly, A McCarron; C McCarron (Omagh), T McGuigan, P Rouse.
Fixtures
(all 2000 GMT)
Section A
Fermanagh v Armagh, Breffni Park
Derry v St Mary's, Ballinderry
Section B
Tyrone v Down, Omagh
Section C
Antrim v Cavan, Casement Park
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7176571.stm
No Antrim squad yet. If I get a chance later I'll post their squad from the programme. Bring a pen with you so you can write in the numbers on the programme when they call them out. It's £7 in by the way.
The full Armagh V Derry game on TG4:
http://www.tg4.tv/channels/SportArchive.aspx?mm=l&ns=131&a=37892
Thats a much better Tyrone team for Wednesday night. It looks like Harte is seriously rebuilding in 2008 and it may be a 2 or 3 year plan he is operating to. Amidst all the Stevie O Neill rumours is that if that man quits, Tyrone have a severe derth of true forward talent in the mould of Canavan or Stevie coming through. Is there anything at minor level coming through that in anway looks to be a prodigious talent that could be brought through in a couple of years. If not Tyrone will struggle as their system has proven that it needs the talisman up front to make it work. Tyrone dfensive options look decent they need to find another midfielder alongside Colum Cavanagh this year and Sean is desperately needed to boost the half forward attacking options.
Aontroim Squad
Colin Brady
liam caraland
Ciaran Close
Paul Close
Paul Conlon
Tony Convery
Gerard Crossey
Paul Doherty
Mark Dougan
Niall Doyle
John Finucane
Benny Hasson
Anthony Healy
Sean kelly
Christopher Kerr
Michael Magill
Michael McCann
Andrew mcClean
Conor mcGoldrick
Kevin McGourty
Sean McGreevey
Niall Mckeever
Sean McVeigh
Conor Murray
Deaglan o'Hagan
Terry O'Neill
Eoin O'Neill
Joseph Quinn
Tony Scullion
Conleith Totten
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 07, 2008, 10:48:14 PM
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Comórtas: Corn Mhic Chionaoith, Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v An Dún,
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, an Omaigh, Dáta: 09-01-08
Who are these An Dún crowd? Are they another university team? I've been following GAA for over 10 years and never heard of them. :D
Down Panel
Declan Alder Carryduff
John Clarke An Riocht
Martin Cole Rostrevor
Bernard Connell Drumgath
Packie Downey Drumgath
Liam Doyle Liatroim
John Fegan Clonduff
Dan Gordon Loughisland
Conor Gribben Bryansford
Danny Hughes Saval
Jack Lynch Drumgath
Cathal Magee Mayobridge
John Mc Areavey Tullylish
Gary McArdle Annaclone
John McCarthy Loughisland
Ciarán McGovern Burren
Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks
Kevin McKernan Burren
Brendan McVeigh An Riocht
Colm Murney Rostrevor
Ronan Murtagh Ballyholland
Darren O'Hanlon Ballymartin
Damien Rafferty Shamrocks
Martin Rafferty Shamrocks
Brendan Rooney Mayobridge
Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Ryan Stranney Loughisland
Damian Turley Downpatrick
Peter Turley Downpatrick
Peter Turley Saval
Tyrone squad for this evening
1 Pascal McConnell
2 PJ Quinn
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Marty Swift
5 John Gilmore
6 Dermot Carlin
7 Philip Jordan
8 Kelvin Hughes
9 Enda McGinley
10 Ryan Mellon
11 Colm Donnelly
12 Aidan McCarron
13 Cathal McCarron
14 Tommy McGuigan
15 Paul Rouse
16 Jonathan Curran
17 Conor Gormley
18 Ciaran Gourley
19 David Harte
20 Colin Holmes
21 Colm McCullagh
22 Mickey McGee
23 Kevin McNally
24 Conal Martin
25 Owen Mulligan
26 Fabian O'Neill
27 Martin Penrose
28 Gary Reilly
The Ulster Council GAA is launching a 'Promotional Campaign' for the 2008 'Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup'.
This promotional activity is intended to promote a festival like and family friendly atmosphere at our games and the Ulster Council will provide special entertainment , at tonights 'Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup' fixture between Tyrone and Down.
On view will be entertainment such as Face Painters, Balloon Modelers, Life size Cartoon Characters, Special Guest Malachi Cush, with Scor Entertainment and a Foreign Nationals exhibition game at half time.
Patrons are advised to come early to avail of this entertainment as Malachi Cush will be entertaining the crowd from 7.15pm, ahead of the 8.00pm throw in.
As part of this marketing campaign, the Ulster Council is encouraging a 'No Foul Language' initiative. NFL wristbands, for both adults and children, as well as a number of sponsors' items will be distributed at these events.
Additionally, one special competition programme will be produced for the entire 'Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup' which will serve as an information booklet for the complete competition. These will be on sale at all games in the competition.
Remember boys, 'oh fudge' when Mellon sends one onto the Gortin Road.
Any other acceptable obscenity substitutions?
It should be an interesrting one tonight - I can see Tyrone winning by 6 - Down should be lightweight enough as well as Tyrone - home advantage to swing it in Tyrone's favour - any betting anywhere on this match ?
What's the score so far? Is it on the radio?
Probably have all the information by now but just incase.
Its on Q101 - http://www.mediauk.com/radio/431/q101-west (http://www.mediauk.com/radio/431/q101-west)
Also live updates on tyronegaa.ie
Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-7. Better result than the weekend but seemed to go to sleep a bit in the second half. By the sounds of things Cathal McCarron at FB and Aidan McCarron in the forwards were the big positives.
full mtch reprt comin when i workd out hw 2 use ths blckberry........... :-\
Only 1-1 scored in the second half. I hear Gormley, Gourley, McCullagh and Holmes all made appearances at some stage.
Appears that the Down stat man really did a good job at HT.
McKenna Cup v Down
09 Jan 2008
FINAL SCORE: TYRONE 3-5 DOWN 1-7
Despite scoring just twice in the second half, Tyrone hold on to beat Down cosily by four points, thanks to a very good first half display, the result leaving the Red Hands still in contention for a semi-final place as they now prepare to meet Donegal in their final group game in Ballyshannon on Sunday.
69 minutes: Ronan Sexton leaves the visitors trailing by four points after sustained Down pressure, moments after Conor Gormley comes on for his first appearance of the year in place of injured Dromore defender Cathal McCarron (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-7)
61 minutes: Packie Downey hits Down's third point in a row from long-range as the Mournemen suggest they have not yet thrown in the towel (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-6)
57 minutes: Ronan Sexton punches a long ball over the bar to reduce Tyrone's advantage to six points (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-5)
55 minutes: John Fegan converts a free for Down to leave seven points separating the sides with 15 minutes to play (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-4)
53 minutes: Enda McGinley sticks away Tyrone's third goal of the night after the initial shot from Aidan McCarron ricochets into his path following Cathal McCarron's free kick into the danger area (Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-3)
47 minutes: Cathal McCarron grabs his second point of the night from a free kick, and Tyrone's first score of the second half, after Colm Donnelly and Philip Jordan link up to earn the chance (Tyrone 2-5 Down 1-3)
36 minutes: Dan Gordon gets the first score of the second half and Conor Gribben quickly follows up with another point as Down begin the second half in determined fashion (Tyrone 2-4 Down 1-3)
Half-time: Tyrone 2-4 Down 1-1
Tyrone head to the dressing room six points to the good after a very pleasing first half performance, with Aidan McCarron and Tommy McGuigan both standing out and hitting 2-3 between them in open play, the pair getting great support from Paul Rouse and Omagh's Cathal McCarron. Dromore's Cathal McCarron, Marty Swift and Philip Jordan have shone in defence in an all round team display, a greatly improved showing from Sunday's match against UUJ.
32 minutes: Tyrone storm into a six-point lead as Colm Donnelly and Aidan McCarron create the opportunity for Tommy McGuigan to finish brilliantly to the bottom corner of the net (Tyrone 2-4 Down 1-1)
23 minutes: Tyrone respond immediately as Tommy McGuigan and Paul Rouse carve open the Down defence for Aidan McCarron to finish emphatically to the net, bringing his tally to 1-2 (Tyrone 1-4 Down 1-1)
22 minutes: Down are amazingly level as Conor Gribben flicks the ball to the net after P J Quinn saves the initial shot from Conor Gribben on the line (Tyrone 0-4 Down 1-1)
21 minutes: Daniel Hughes finally opens Down's account from a 13 metre free after Ryan Mellon is adjudged to have touched the ball on the ground (Tyrone 0-4 Down 0-1)
14 minutes: Tyrone's impressive start continues as Cathal McCarron strikes the ball sweetly between the posts following a foul on Aidan McCarron (Tyrone 0-4 Down 0-0)
10 minutes: John Gilmore's debut comes to a premature end as he has to be carried off and replaced in defence by Ciaran Gourley
7 minutes: A penetrating run by Enda McGinley paves the way for Aidan McCarron to slot over his second point in as many minutes after Cathal McCarron's effort rebounds to him off the post (Tyrone 0-3 Down 0-0)
6 minutes: Paul Rouse again provides the lay-off as Tyrone go into a two-point lead courtesy of Aidan McCarron's long-range finish following good work in defence by Marty Swift and Dermot Carlin (Tyrone 0-2 Down 0-0)
2 minutes: Paul Rouse collects possession, lays the ball back to Tommy McGuigan and the Ardboe man strokes the ball neatly between the posts to give Tyrone an early lead (Tyrone 0-1 Down 0-0)
Tyrone - Pascal McConnell, PJ Quinn, Cathal McCarron, Marty Swift, John Gilmore, Dermot Carlin, Philip Jordan, Kelvin Hughes, Enda McGinley, Ryan Mellon, Colm Donnelly, Aidan McCarron, Cathal McCarron, Tommy McGuigan, Paul Rouse
Sub: Ciaran Gourley for J Gilmore (10 minutes), Colm McCullagh for T McGuigan (half-time), Martin Penrose for C Donnelly (56 minutes), Conor Gormley for C McCarron (Dromore, 68 minutes), Colin Holmes for K Hughes (69 minutes)
Subs - Jonathan Curran, , David Harte, , Colm McCullagh, Mickey McGee, Kevin McNally, Conal Martin, Owen Mulligan, Fabian O'Neill, Gary Reilly
Down - Declan McArdle, Colm McGovern, Gary McArdle, Martin Cole, Martin Rafferty, Peter Turley, Kevin McGuigan, Dan Gordon, Jackie Lynch, Kevin McKernan, Ronan Sexton, Daniel Hughes, Ryan Stranney, Packie Downey, Conor Gribbon
Subs: Cathal Magee for R Stranney, John Fegan for K McKernan, Colm Murray for M Rafferty, Ronan Murtagh for P Turley
Subs - Bernard Connell, Liam Doyle, John McCarthy, John McAreavey, Damien Rafferty, Damien Turley, Peter Turley, John Clarke
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=498
Tyrone clinch first McKenna win
Tyrone beat Down 3-6 to 1-7 to claim their first Gaelic Life McKenna Cup win with Aidan McCarron, Tommy McGuigan and Enda McGinley scoring their goals.
Tyrone were 2-4 to 1-1 ahead at the break, Conor Gribben netting for Down.
Fermanagh beat Armagh 1-11 to 0-10 with Liam McBarron scoring the first-half goal. It was 1-7 to 0-4 at half-time.
Antrim beat Cavan 0-10 to 0-9, Michael McCann scoring five points and Derry beat St Mary's 1-15 to 2-8 with Paddy Bradley accumulating a tally of 1-5.
Substitutes John Cunningham and Paul McAleer were the St Mary's goalscorers in a scrappy match.
Tyrone raced into an early four-point lead at Healy Park but Down levelled through Gribben's 22nd minute goal.
McCarron and McGuigan scored goals in the 23rd and 32nd minutes and McGinley grabbed the Red Hands' third goal 18 minutes into the second period.
McBarron scored Fermanagh's goal after 16 minutes of the first half at Breffni Park and Patrick Cavan top-scored for the Ernemen with five points.
Substitute Paddy McKeever was Armagh's leading points scorer with 0-3.
Antrim and Cavan were locked at 0-5 apiece after the first half at Casement Park but the Saffrons proved too strong despite three points from Martin Reilly.
Derry were too good for St Mary's, leading 1-8 to 0-4 at half-time with the help of Bradley's sixth minute goal, and going on to win by four points.
Results
Section A
Fermanagh 1-11 0-10 Armagh
Derry 1-15 2-8 St Mary's
Section B
Tyrone 3-6 1-7 Down
Section C
Antrim 0-10 0-09 Cavan
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7180244.stm
Gaelic Life Man is a rare looking creature, by the way. Oh and the BBC and UTV were out in force last night at Healy Park. Mr O'Callaghan for the BBC and Mr Logan with cameraman in tow for UTV. Hardly a swear word uttered despite the extreme provocation by the referee ;D The Down men had no sign of a tan either.
A fine first half performance from Tyrone and a less energetic second half performance understandable given the condidtions. MC Carron from Fintona is a cracker and should be given more games to make this positions his own. The full back line of Quinn Mc Carron and Swift were superb and we need to give them more games to gel further. The half back line fared well and midfield was very strong with tremendous workrate and their mobility ensured they won their battle against bigger more physical opponents with ease, and were involved in most of Tyrones fast flowing defence to attack moves. On a night difficult for high catching, Hughes, Mc Ginley and Mellon caught some superb balls with Mc Ginley my overall MOM. The half fowards fared well with Rouse, Donnelly and Mc Carron Omagh, possibly the weakest links on the team. All in all Last year Harte changed a winning team after the Mc Kenna cup, I think he can confidently start the majority of this team the next day and give them the chance to improve and let the other guys force their way back in over the season.
Wiley(Mc Carron from fintona) is a great player and has been for years. Dont know why he has failed to make an impact sooner but think he has the pace and accuracy to make it at intercounty level but then again it is only the Mc Kenna cup and there are many tougher tests ahead.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2008, 09:09:01 AM
Gaelic Life Man is a rare looking creature, by the way. Oh and the BBC and UTV were out in force last night at Healy Park. Mr O'Callaghan for the BBC and Mr Logan with cameraman in tow for UTV. Hardly a swear word uttered despite the extreme provocation by the referee ;D The Down men had no sign of a tan either.
You're right there wasn't much swearing going on in the pitch. But the language from the Tyrone supporters was nothing short from a disgrace. I was at the match last night and if I had any children I would never bring them back to a Tyrone v Down game again. As far as your comment about the Down players not having a tan it rained 4 out of the 5 days they were.
Boozehell. I wore my nfl wristband for the first 15 minutes of the game and as I continued to watch the most cynical Down team I have ever seen, throw punch after punch off the ball with the referee giving the Tyrone players no protection I ripoped off my wristband stamped on it, and called the linesman, referee, Ulster council and the mouthy Down fan with the Gaelic Life skull cap in front all the hoors of the day I felt totally justified in doing so. I will never take my great grannys best friend to another Down match again.. ever?
NFL = No f$$$ing linesman
Points from last night..................
First half performance was reasonable, nothing exceptional. Thought McCarron (Fintona) was ok, nothing special. McCarron (Dromore) and Swift were pick of team for me. Enda did fine as did Philly and Ryan, again nothing to write home about overall and especially not in the second half.
Second half was poor. Very poor. 2 scores was not good enough. If UUJ had've played us last night we would have been beaten again.
work rate improved to be fair (couldn't get much worse than Sunday), tommy did alright - def not a MF though.
bit my tongue after Sunday but can't today...........that Ref was f**ing terrible. One of the most blatantly biased performances I have seen in a long time. I canlt understand how he got a second run at Tyrone after his attitude last Sunday but he may as well have been wearing his Derry shirt all night.
In my understanding if you strike you are off - obviously not so for the Down 22 who sat on top of McCarron and punched him repeatedly about the head. Ref saw it, Linesman saw it = yellow card. Nonsense.
Penrose was also smacked in passing which the ref saw and again failed to give a red (Penrose provoked this a bit to be fair and should have been booked)
Agree that this was a very cynical performance from Down, maybe they are fed up with the "gentlemanly football" tag. Certainly whan I played in Down it was a much more freely flowing and downright sporting contest than in Tyrone. No need to try and be something yr not lads.
so far only Swift, McCarron (Fintona and Dromore) and Snowy O'Neill have shown they will have any chance of playing in the NFL let alone the Championship.
It's patently obvious we have no natural scorer coming through the ranks on these showings although you just wonder if Mulgrew beefed up could he do a job as a target man. He seems to be following the SON route to success - half forward success and maybe a FF role in later years.
What was really odd is that no-one on show seemed able to use both feet for kicking. Time and time again our forwards were forced to turn back into trouble to get a shot away with thier good foot. Surely at this level an aspiring county player should be able to pop the ball over from 10-15 yards with his bad foot?
As a Down fan at the game I want to talk to you about your last point. I agree that any footballer should at least try and kick with their weak foot any where near in front of goals. So what if it goes wide or if their lucky it goes to one of their own players at least they did not turn back and let the opposition get back and crowd the defence. Do you there should be more emphasis on this in training?
Quote from: Boozehell on January 10, 2008, 01:43:59 PM
As a Down fan at the game I want to talk to you about your last point. I agree that any footballer should at least try and kick with their weak foot any where near in front of goals. So what if it goes wide or if their lucky it goes to one of their own players at least they did not turn back and let the opposition get back and crowd the defence. Do you there should be more emphasis on this in training?
I think it has more to do with percentages when in possession. Unless you feel 80% confident that you can score, retain possession until you create an opening which lends itself to such a percentage. That does allow a defence time to regather but Harte's the sort of fella who has complete belief that his charges can and should retain possession. At this time of the year when scores are usually at a premium (9 scores to 8 last night) economical play will be rewarded. Later in the year, players will be sharper and fitter and be more confident of shooting on sight.
I think this goes way beyond training - any player who fancies his chances at county (or evn good club) stanbard should be practicing with his weak foot from a young age.
Certainly county teams have more to do than teach players the basics................................
Far too negative Tyrone man for the 2nd week in January. That team played with more heart in that shitty game last night than the team that Meath beat in the all Ireland quarters last year. Im not saying last nights display hadnt severe problems - but it is the summer boys who should be upping their game to get back in (beyond the obvious - Cavanagh/ Gormley etc.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 10, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
I think this goes way beyond training - any player who fancies his chances at county (or even good club) standard should be practicing with his weak foot from a young age.
Jaysus you're a hard man to please for the 9th of January. Tackling, passing etc - they're all the basics. I'm sure there were misplaced passes, mistimed tackles last night. Tired limbs and lungs at this time of the year. I'd be a little concerned if the same complaints were being made in mid-March.
The programme was/is worse than useless. It requires a bit of understanding by the announcer to be able to call out the relevant teams in a slow and systematic way (and indeed several times). The squad number programmes from last year worked well when they were adhered to. It helps when teams like Tyrone announce their squad in advance so that some punters can print them off say from this website and use them.
I was encouraged by last nights first half performance by Tyrone especially when compared to the UUJ game. It all fell apart in the second half but the game was effectively over and the wet cold weather conditions were not helping either team. Have Down won a game in the last two years? Watch out UUJ!
The programme that was bought last night is the same one for every game in the Mc Kenna Cup. If anybody went to the Ulster Club Championship games the programmes for them were a disgrace. For instance Mayobridge v Dromore in Newry. Who cared if Jim Bob Smith was playing Harry Ramsden in Casement Park in the Ulster Junior Championship. All I wanted to see was a programme dedicated to that match.
Quote from: Boozehell on January 10, 2008, 04:03:03 PM
The programme that was bought last night is the same one for every game in the Mc Kenna Cup. If anybody went to the Ulster Club Championship games the programmes for them were a disgrace. For instance Mayobridge v Dromore in Newry. Who cared if Jim Bob Smith was playing Harry Ramsden in Casement Park in the Ulster Junior Championship. All I wanted to see was a programme dedicated to that match.
At least you got one :(
Quote from: feetofflames on January 10, 2008, 11:18:43 AM
Boozehell. I wore my nfl wristband for the first 15 minutes of the game and as I continued to watch the most cynical Down team I have ever seen, throw punch after punch off the ball with the referee giving the Tyrone players no protection I ripoped off my wristband stamped on it, and called the linesman, referee, Ulster council and the mouthy Down fan with the Gaelic Life skull cap in front all the hoors of the day I felt totally justified in doing so. I will never take my great grannys best friend to another Down match again.. ever?
NFL = No f$$$ing linesman
I think the technical term for it is "giving you diving tramps a reason to go down" ;D
QuoteI think this goes way beyond training - any player who fancies his chances at county (or even good club) standard should be practicing with his weak foot from a young age.
Jaysus Lads I'm actually very heartened by MH's approach to this McKenna Cup and if we get 2-3 new quality prospects I'll be delighted.
The above comment was only in relation to the Down poster suggesting county panels should practice shooting with the weaker foot - I don't think that county trianing sessions are the place for weak foot practice, that's all, there are more important things to be gettign on with at these get togethers.
Highlights from the night at Healy Park on the following link:
Move forward to the end of the first page, then move into the second page for 9.50mins:
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080110-hi.asx
Quote from: tyroneman on January 10, 2008, 05:02:06 PM
Jaysus Lads I'm actually very heartened by MH's approach to this McKenna Cup and if we get 2-3 new quality prospects I'll be delighted.
Absolutely, and reasonably promising so far. Sunday will tell a tale no doubt, and makes all the more creditable Kerry's introduction of young Pádraig Reidy and Killian Young seamlessly into a team of that calibre, and for them to perform with such assurance and aplomb.
Monaghan name strong side
10 January 2008
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney has brought the guillotine down on experimentation in ruthless fashion when naming his strongest team in the McKenna Cup so far for the county's final group game against Antrim in Ballybay on Sunday at 2.00pm.
In keeping with his comments after the county's defeat by Cavan the axe has fallen on a number of fringe players for a game that the manager sees as crucial in his preparations for the county's league opener against Roscommon. Despite some improved performances against Cavan only one of the players who were tried in their two games so far, goal keeper, Padraig McBennett, has been named for Sunday and he was reserve keeper last year.
In naming the team he has for Sunday's game Seamus McEnaney is making a strong statement that he is approaching the game against Antrim in a totally different frame of mind as the time for experimentation is over and he is fielding a team that looks more akin to the side he will hope to have on duty on Sunday February 3rd.
"We will still be without the seven players who are on college duty for Sunday's match and all those players played championship football for Monaghan last year but the team we have named is getting down to the more serious business. The league is our focus now but then the league has been our focus since we were defeated by Kerry in the All Ireland qualifiers back in August. The Dr McKenna Cup was a chance for us to assess a number of players in a competitive situation and having seen what we have over the past two Sundays we had to sit down now and have a look at the panel that we will be working with for the National League."
This is a relatively strong Monaghan team but the fact that Monaghan have those seven college players to come back and given the performances of the likes of Daniel McNally and Neil McAdam along with the return of such as Raymond Ronaghan and Anthony Rooney the panel for 2008 has an even stronger look about it than last year. Paul McGuigan is just one of those players and his performances for UUJ have been getting rave reviews.
The team for Sunday sees Damien Freeman, Eoin Lennon and Paul Finlay getting their first starts, Finlay lining out on his home pitch, but he does leave the position of right corner vacant for the time being. Dessie Mone reverts to his more familiar role of defender and Gary McQuaid starts at centre back to give thjis Monaghan team a much more familiar look. Being staged in Pearse Park is a recognition that the famed mid Monaghan venue is coming back onto the inter county scene and the match should still attract a good attendance.
"I hope we get a good crowd" Seamus McEnaney said when releasing the team for Sunday's game "as this is our last competitive match before we play Roscommon in Clones in the league on the first Sunday in February and it would be a real boost to the boys to see a good turn out. This year again we will be taking things one game at a time and as last year our support is very important to us. Its also the first time that the county has played in Ballybay for quite a few years and its a ground where Monaghan had a great reputation as being hard to beat so we should see a good crowd on Sunday".
Monaghan: Padraig McBennett, Dessie Mone, Colm Flanagan, Dermot McArdle, Damien Freeman, Gary McQuaid, John Paul Mone, Eoin Lennon, Paul Finlay, Owen Duffy, Rory Woods, Conor McManus, AN Other, Vincent Corey, Tomas Freeman.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 10, 2008, 11:03:22 PM
Absolutely, and reasonably promising so far. Sunday will tell a tale no doubt, and makes all the more creditable Kerry's introduction of young Pádraig Reidy and Killian Young seamlessly into a team of that calibre, and for them to perform with such assurance and aplomb.
Well said. No team can stand still and must evolve all the time. The two young lads done well last summer and there are one or three more that will hopefully see the light at seniors before the sheep start lambing. There's promise standing from no. 16 up in Kerry and any team that doesn't look for that whether in McKenna/O'Byrne or later in Nat League you're last year's story.
Saffrons nick the points while Hardstation freezes
10 January 2008
Antrim 0-10
Cavan 0-09
Antrim opened their Dr McKenna Cup campaign with a win following last night's (Wednesday) tough encounter against a spirited Cavan side at Casement Park.
The weather conditions did not help the standard of football on display as both sides found scores hard to come by with the majority of points coming from placed balls.
Nonetheless, the match was a close contest throughout and the sides were level on three occasions in the first half including at the interval.
After 15 minutes the sides were all square at 0-3 each, but points by Ryan McCormack and Eddie O'Reilly put Cavan two in front. However, the home side hit back with scores from Niall Doyle and Michael Magill to level matters at half time.
Michael McCann (2) and substitute Conor Murray helped Antrim into a three-point lead early in the second half, although these were to be the last scores until the last seven minutes when Martin Reilly narrowed the deficit for Cavan.
Reilly and McCann were in their own personal battle from frees and it was the Antrim man who came out on top as Reilly hit the post from a free late on to level the game.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87567
Fermanagh worthy winners over Armagh
10 January 2008
Fermanagh under their new manager and former player, Malachy O'Rourke chalked up their second win in Group A of the Dr. McKenna Cup competition, when on Wednesday, 9th of January at wind and rain-swept Kingspan-Breffni Park, Cavan they were deserving winners over an experimental Armagh side on a scoreline of 1-11 to 0-10.
This win sets the Fermanagh side up nicely for their top-of-the-table clash with Derry in Glen on Sunday afternoon next, 13th of January - and a win would book their place in the knock-out stages of the competition.
Fermanagh who themselves included a number of newcomers to inter-county senior ranks dominated the opening half of the game on Wednesday night, thanks to some great play around the middle of the field and at the break they were good value for their 1-7 to 0-4 lead - after leading by 1-5 to 0-1 after 23 minutes play. The Fermanagh goal came in the 18th minute from a fisted effort from the experienced Liam McBarron who lines-out in the full-forward berth.
As expected Armagh regrouped well for the start of the second-half and two early points from Gregory Loughran and Liam O'Hare gave them an early boost. They more than held their own possessionwise for the remainder of the game - which saw more bite in the play, and with the game entering the final quarter worked their way back into contention to reduce the leeway to three points 1-9 to 0-9.
However, Fermanagh never panicked and while they were put under greater pressure by the Orchard county in the closing minutes always had that little bit in hand to come away with a deserved four points success - 1-11 to 0-10. Armagh really went for 'broke' in the closing minutes for a goal that could have saved the day for them. However, they were lacking a Steven McDonnell or Oisin McConville on this occasion, and came up short in the finish.
This was a good all-round team-performance from the Fermanagh side, and their application to the task in hand and work-rate all over the field must have really pleased their new management. Two wins from two competitive starts is a good way to start the season - but their real test will come on Sunday next, 13th of January when they come up against unbeaten Derry in this eagerly awaited clash at the Glen venue.
Fermanagh - Chris Breen; Shane Goan, Shane McDermott, Declan O'Reilly; Raymond Johnston, Shane Lyons, Peter Sherry; James Sherry, Ciaran Boyle; Niall Keenan, Shaun Doherty (0-2), Ciaran McElroy (0-2); Patrick Cadden (0-4, all frees), Liam McBarron (1-0), Ronan McCabe (0-2, both free).
Subs - Jonathan McGurn for Liam McBarron; Ciaran Leonard (0-1) for Ronan McCabe; Ciaran Maguire for Niall Keenan; Mark Murphy for Shaun Doherty.
Armagh - Paudie Rodgers; Gerard McCreesh, Enda McNulty, Gerard McCoy; Kieran McKeever, Aidan O'Rourke, Finian Moriarty; Dara Edwards, Ronan Austin; Brian Mallon (0-1), Gregory Loughran (0-2), Liam O'Hare (0-1); Martin O'Rourke, Gareth Swift, Kevin O'Rourke (0-3, one free).
Subs - Mark Quinn for Ronan Austin; Paddy McKeever (0-3, two frees) for Dara Edwards; Gary Reel for Gerard McCoy.
Referee; Jimmy Galligan (Cavan
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Another impressive victory for Derry
10 January 2008
Derry chalked up their second win in Group A of the Dr. McKenna Cup after two starts when on Wednesday, 9th of January at the Ballinderry venue they defeated a determined St. Mary's U.C., Belfast side on a scoreline of 1-15 to 2-8. This was an interesting game from start to finish with the students to their credit taking the game to their more experienced opponents for long periods, and really 'having a go'.
However, in the end the Oak Leaf county had too much strength in depth with All-Star forward Paddy Bradley in lively form leading their attack and finishing the game with a personal tally of 1-5.
Despite the best efforts of the St. Mary's side the home team dominated play in the opening half, and helped by a Paddy Bradley goal in the sixth minute from a Ryan Keeley pass they went in at the break in a comfortable position leading by 1-8 to 0-4.
To the credit of the students they never gave up the fight, and made Paddy Crozier's Derry side work hard to the final whistle. They scored two goals in the second-half from John Cunningham and an effort from Paul McAleer in the closing minutes, but it wasn't enough to trouble a strong and focussed Derry side who always had something in hand. They can now look forward to their top-of-the-table clash with unbeaten Fermanagh on Sunday afternoon next, 13th of January at the Glen venue, and that should be an interesting encounter.
Derry - J. Deighan; N. Holy, K. McGuckin, J. Kane; M. McBride 0-1, N. McCusker 0-1, F. McEldowney; Fergal Doherty, A. McElhone; R. Keely 0-2, C. O'Kane 0-1, S. L. McGoldrick; E; Lynn 0-1, Paddy Bradley 1-5, 0-3 from frees, C. Mullan 0-3, 2 frees.
Subs - Liam Hinphey for J. Kane; C. Devlin 0-1 for S. L. McGoldrick; M. Craig for N. McCusker; O. Brown for E. Lynn; K. McCloy for N. Holly.
St. Mary's - B. Marron; D. Smith, M. Digney, K. O'Boyle; M. McKeever, S. O'Neill, B. Og Maguire; J. Kelly, G. O'Neill 0-1; B. McGoldrick 0-3, one free, C. Niblock, N. McVeigh; S. Donaghy, M. Pollock 0-1 from a free, P. Carville 0-4, 3 frees.
Subs - T. Hackett for K. O'Boyle; J. McCormack for S. Donaghy; S. Cunningham 1-0 for N. McVeigh; P. McAleer for G. O'Neill 1-0 and R. Hamill for B. McGoldrick.
Referee: Gregory Walsh from Antrim.
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Austin injury setback for Armagh
Armagh midfielder Ronan Austin suffered a broken leg in the opening exchanges of Wednesday night's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup game against Fermanagh. Fermanagh ran out 1-11 to 0-10 winners at Breffni Park. The young Clan na Gael player will be out of action for several months and will almost certainly miss the Orchard county's National League campaign. Armagh manager Peter McDonnell will hope to have Austin back in action for the Ulster Championship.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7182329.stm
McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Friday, 11 January 2008 13:23
Brian McGuigan could make his first appearance in more than two years for Tyrone this weekend.
McGuigan, whose career has been devastated by a broken leg, followed by a serious eye injury, has been named in the subs for the Dr McKenna Cup clash with Donegal.
It's the first time the double All-Ireland winner and All-Star playmaker has been included in the match-day squad this season.
Manager Mickey Harte has once again rung the changes for Sunday's trip to Ballyshannon.
He has made seven changes from the side that started in midweek, with only the full back line remaining intact from the win over Down.
Johnny Curran becomes the third goalkeeper to play in as many games, with Davy Harte returning to the half back line.
A new midfield partnernship sees Colin Holmes team up with Conal Martin, and up front there are starts for Gary Reilly, Martin Penrose and Shaun O'Neill.
Tyrone (SF v Donegal): J Curran, PJ Quinn, C McCarron (Dromore), M Swift, D Harte, D Carlin, P Jordan, C Holmes, C Martin, G Reilly, C McCarron (Omagh), A McCarron, M Penrose, T McGuigan, S O'Neill.
Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0111/mcguiganb.html
Tyrone Team v Donegal
1 Jonathan Curran
2 PJ Quinn
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Marty Swift
5 David Harte
6 Dermot Carlin
7 Philip Jordan
8 Colin Holmes
9 Conal Martin
10 Gary Reilly
11 Cathal McCarron
12 Aidan McCarron
13 Martin Penrose
14 Tommy McGuigan
15 Shaun O'Neill
16 John Devine
17 Colm Donnelly
18 Conor Gormley
19 Ciaran Gourley
20 Kelvin Hughes
21 Colm McCullagh
22 Mickey McGee
23 Enda McGinley
24 Brian McGuigan
25 Kevin McNally
26 Ryan Mellon
27 Owen Mulligan
28 Fabian O'Neill
29 Paul Rouse
As the programme is next to useless my advice is to print out this team and take it to the match with you. Well done to Tyrone by the way. Their communictaion of the team sheet early for each of their games is much appreciated and shows a respect and consideration for the supporters which I'm afraid is generally not the norm.
Anyone notice a trend here:
Donegal Footballers back from the sun holiday11 January 2008
Donegal senior footballers will be hoping to get their first victory in this season's Dr. McKenna Cup campaign when he come back from a warming holiday in the sun for their Dr. McKenna Cup clash with Tyrone at Father Tierney Park, Ballyshannon on Sunday. Both sides have already lost their opening round game to UUJ, and a win is vital if they are to stay in contention for a place in the knock-out stages of the competition. When Donegal and Tyrone meet in any competitive game it is always interesting and exciting and that should be the case once again this Sunday at the Ballyshannon venue.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87625
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Friday, 11 January 2008 13:23
Brian McGuigan could make his first appearance in more than two years for Tyrone this weekend.
McGuigan, whose career has been devastated by a broken leg, followed by a serious eye injury, has been named in the subs for the Dr McKenna Cup clash with Donegal.
Absolutely brilliant news. I am thrilled for McGuigan. ;D
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
McGuigan returns to Tyrone squad
Friday, 11 January 2008 13:23
Brian McGuigan could make his first appearance in more than two years for Tyrone this weekend.
Fantastic news, wouldn't that be something (if that report isn't total bullsh*t)!
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2008, 07:03:47 PM
Anyone notice a trend here:
Donegal Footballers back from the sun holiday11 January 2008
Donegal senior footballers will be hoping to get their first victory in this season's Dr. McKenna Cup campaign when he come back from a warming holiday in the sun for their Dr. McKenna Cup clash with Tyrone at Father Tierney Park, Ballyshannon on Sunday. Both sides have already lost their opening round game to UUJ, and a win is vital if they are to stay in contention for a place in the knock-out stages of the competition. When Donegal and Tyrone meet in any competitive game it is always interesting and exciting and that should be the case once again this Sunday at the Ballyshannon venue.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87625
Father Tierney Park on a January day. :o
Bring your coats!
Cavan 2-08 QUB 0-7 latest 20 mins into 2nd half
David Rooney, Dunne and Martin Reilly playing well. Crowd of 1000 in bad weather conditions
Keep it Green drici
Cavan 2-10 QUB 0-11 Result
Breffni County earn win over QUB
Cavan completed their Gaelic Life McKenna Cup Group C campaign with a 2-10 to 0-11 win over Queen's which may earn the Breffnimen a semi-final place. Jason O'Reilly hit Cavan's opening goal with a close-range strike on eight minutes at Kingspan Breffni Park.
The second goal came before half-time when Queen's goalkeeper Kevin Kelly fumbled Mark McKeever's long ball into his own net. Cavan led 2-6 to 0-3 at half-time and were never in any danger after that. Michael O'Rourke and Charlie Vernon hit Queen's scores after half-time and while Michael Ward also chipped in with a couple of scores for the visitors, Cavan also kept their score ticking over. Finbarr O'Reilly finished with four points while Eddie Reilly and James Clarke were also on target for Cavan. Clarke had a fine game after his early introduction while John McCutcheon also showed up well for the Breffnimen. Mark McKeever and Lorcan Mulvey both impressed in midfield for the home side. Paul McComiskey and Conor McGinn were also among the QUB scorers.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7185513.stm
Was very disappointed with Queens tonight against what was a Cavan team with about 4 regulars.
Michael O Rourke kicked two good points from play, but McComiskey was well snuffed out by Martin Reily
Kevin Kelly in the Queens goals,had a night to forget!!!
Niall Bogue was good at cornerback as was Paul Courtney at Centre Half
expected a lot more from Charlie Vernon and Justin Crozier.
Brought on Michael Ward who was very impressive and the Number 11(dont know the name) gave Anthony Forde the run around and also brought on Luke Howard whom id have expected to start.
Cannot see QUB being anywhere near the Sigerson this year im afraid.
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Section A Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Derry 2 2 0 0 4 33 20 1.650
Fermanagh 2 2 0 0 4 35 24 1.458
St Mary's 2 0 0 2 0 28 39 0.718
Armagh 2 2 0 2 0 16 29 0.552
Section B Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
UUJ 2 2 0 0 4 31 24 1.292
Tyrone 2 1 0 1 2 23 22 1.045
Donegal 1 0 0 1 0 15 19 0.789
Down 1 0 0 1 0 10 14 0.714
Section C Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Antrim 1 1 0 0 2 10 9 1.111
Cavan 3 1 0 1 4 40 33 1.212
QUB 2 1 0 0 2 21 25 0.840
Monaghan 2 0 0 2 0 21 25 0.840
http://antrim.gaa.ie/uploads/newsimages/McKenna%20Cup%20Tables-%2011012008.doc
Quote from: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 01:31:36 AM
A win and a draw from the next two games sees the Ants through.
Huge game tomorrow (today really).
The thread title is a cracker. ;D
I think so too Hardstation ;)
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 12, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
Was very disappointed with Queens tonight against what was a Cavan team with about 4 regulars.
Michael O Rourke kicked two good points from play, but McComiskey was well snuffed out by Martin Reily
Kevin Kelly in the Queens goals,had a night to forget!!!
Niall Bogue was good at cornerback as was Paul Courtney at Centre Half
expected a lot more from Charlie Vernon and Justin Crozier.
Brought on Michael Ward who was very impressive and the Number 11(dont know the name) gave Anthony Forde the run around and also brought on Luke Howard whom id have expected to start.
Cannot see QUB being anywhere near the Sigerson this year im afraid.
Kevin Kelly plays MF or FF, he got a call to play nets because no goalie was available!!!
Quote from: bennydorano on January 13, 2008, 02:11:02 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 12, 2008, 09:04:22 PM
Was very disappointed with Queens tonight against what was a Cavan team with about 4 regulars.
Michael O Rourke kicked two good points from play, but McComiskey was well snuffed out by Martin Reily
Kevin Kelly in the Queens goals,had a night to forget!!!
Niall Bogue was good at cornerback as was Paul Courtney at Centre Half
expected a lot more from Charlie Vernon and Justin Crozier.
Brought on Michael Ward who was very impressive and the Number 11(dont know the name) gave Anthony Forde the run around and also brought on Luke Howard whom id have expected to start.
Cannot see QUB being anywhere near the Sigerson this year im afraid.
Kevin Kelly plays MF or FF, he got a call to play nets because no goalie was available!!!
That situation would have been ripe for a ringer in the auld days.
Any team news for Armagh? Am thinking of doing a bet and wanna see the team before I do anything!
armagh team ???
An exciting game in Ballyshannon today, if somewhat short on quality, though the ground was very heavy.
A lot of positives to be taken from the game, and a few negatives too (some of the debutants just not up to the county mark). Enda Mc Ginley was outstanding, and good to see him back to something like his best, indeed, Fintan Ward had wanted to give him man of the match but felt it had to be given a winning team player (Colm Mc Fadden) in the end.
Not a bad way to bow out of the Cup, could have been a whole lot worse.
I thought it was decent enough stuff, although I only saw the second half. I felt Cassidy in the middle and McFadden up front were the difference, although McFadden spoiled some of his excellent work with a couple of poor wides. Donegal looked to have a wee bit more experience in vital areas out there, so it was important for them not to lose it.
I wonder will McIver try Rafferty at midfield in the league? He was in the team for a while way back during Mickey Moran's tenure, so I have my doubts that he is a serious option. David Walsh looked promising at times, and may be given a chance in the panel as Ciaran Bonner is taking the year out and Rory Kavanagh is going to be missing for a few months.
Yep, a lot of bad wides for Donegal, and a few missed goal chances too, where we had six (I think) into the keeper's hands. A fair result overall.
Cavan 2-10 Queen's 0-11
Saturday, 12 January 2008 20:59
Donal Keoghan's Cavan side picked up their second win in Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section C tonight to boost their chances of making the semi-finals.
In their final game of the Dr McKenna Cup group stages, Cavan finished 2-10 to 0-11 winners over a battling Queen's side at Kingspan Breffni Park.
Jason O'Reilly slammed home their opening goal from close range in the eighth-minute.
Queen's goalkeeper Kevin Kelly failed to gather a long ball from Mark McKeever and his fumble resulted in the hosts' second goal, just before the break.
They turned around with a 2-6 to 0-3 lead and Cavan proved too strong with Finbarr O'Reilly, who top-scored with 0-4, James Clarke and Eddie Reilly all getting on the scoresheet.
Clarke was one of the Breffni men's top performers on the night, while McKeever and Lorcan Mulvey were also very productive in centre-field.
Queen's tried valiantly to mount a comeback with Michael O'Rourke, Michael Ward and Charlie Vernon adding to earlier points from Paul McComiskey and Conor McGinn.
The Section C winners will not be confirmed until the completion of tomorrow's Monaghan v Antrim game and the Saffrons' clash with Queen's, which was postponed due to bad weather last Saturday.
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Story from RTÉ Sport:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2008/0112/cavan.html
Right where does that leave us??
Derry v best second place???
UUJ (probably) v Antrim (probably)
BBC Report
Red Hands out of Dr McKenna Cup
Holders Tyrone are out of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup after they lost 0-12 to 0-11 against Donegal on Sunday.
Donegal missed three early goal chances and Tyrone led 0-5 to 0-3 at the end of a half delayed by Aidan McCarron being taken to hospital because of injury.
Tyrone moved three ahead (0-7 to 0-4) but Donegal hit seven of the next eight scores to lead 0-11 to 0-8.
The Red Hands produced a late rally but Colm McFadden's six points helped Donegal hold on to earn a deserved win.
Brian McGuigan's anticipated return to Tyrone colours after injury did not materialise with Mickey Harte opting not to risk the Ardboe man in the heavy underfoot conditions at Ballyshannon.
Christy Toye and the lively Brian Roper missed early goal chances although the latter did have the consolation of claiming a point with his close-range chance.
After Kevin McNally had levelled for Tyrone, Ryan Bradley then blazed another glorious Donegal chance over the bar and Roper wasted another opportunity by hitting another great opportunity across the face of goal in the 15th minute.
Tyrone's young team finally began to look the part midway through the opening period and they hit four unanswered points to lead 0-5 to 0-2 with Cathal McCarron slotting three scores and Shaun O'Neill also on target.
However the Red Hands suffered a blow before the break when Aidan McCarron had to be taken to hospital by ambulance after appearing to sustain a head injury.
Initial reports suggested that that the injury was not serious.
After leading 0-5 to 0-3 at the interval, two Tommy McGuigan scores helped Tyrone move into a 0-7 to 0-4 lead after 42 minutes.
However, Donegal's more direct play was starting to cause problems in the Tyrone defence and two McFadden efforts, split by a fisted Ryan Bradley effort, levelled matters by the 51st minute.
After Shaun O'Neill had missed a Tyrone goal chance, Gary O'Neill did restore the Red Hand advantage but Donegal replied with four successive points to lead 0-11 to 0-8 after 58 minutes with McFadden (two), Roper and David Walsh on target.
Donegal led 0-12 to 0-9 after 62 minutes but Tyrone had the better of the closing stages.
Cathal McCarron hit the final two scores of the game and Donegal goalkeeper Paul Durcan needed to make a superb late catch to field a dangerous high ball from Colm McCullagh in the final play of the game.
The result leaves Tyrone on two points from their three games while Donegal still have qualification hopes with their final game against Down to follow.
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Section A Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Derry 3 3 0 0 6 46 28 1.400
Fermanagh 3 2 0 1 4 43 37 1.162
St Mary's 3 0 1 2 1 41 52 0.788
Armagh 3 2 1 2 1 29 42 0.690
Section B Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
UUJ 2 2 0 0 4 31 24 1.292
Tyrone 3 1 0 2 2 34 34 1.000
Donegal 2 1 0 1 2 27 30 0.900
Down 1 0 0 1 0 10 14 0.714
Section C Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Cavan 3 1 0 1 4 40 33 1.212
Monaghan 3 1 0 2 2 36 32 1.125
Antrim 2 1 0 1 2 17 24 0.708
QUB 2 1 0 0 2 21 25 0.840
Is the Tyrone lad that had to be taken away in the ambulance ok? The tackle itself seemed relatively innocuous at first glance.
Quote from: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 06:54:19 PM
So, if the Lizzies beat Antrim by 12 points on Wednesday, they go through.
Is that right?
What if Donegal beat Down?
Either Donegal, Fermanagh or QUB/Antrim for runner up then? Can anyone explain that scoring average please? Who's likely to go through
Quote from: hardstation on January 13, 2008, 07:08:48 PM
I mean that Queens will top their group if they beat Antrim by 12.
I haven't even considered the highest scoring loser yet.
Oops!
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Section A Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Derry 3 3 0 0 6 46 28 1.400
Fermanagh 3 2 0 1 4 43 37 1.162
St Mary's 3 0 1 2 1 41 52 0.788
Armagh 3 2 1 2 1 29 42 0.690
Section B Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
UUJ 2 2 0 0 4 31 24 1.292
Tyrone 3 1 0 2 2 34 34 1.000
Donegal 2 1 0 1 2 27 30 0.900
Down 1 0 0 1 0 10 14 0.714
UUJ v Down at Newcastle
Down v Donegal at Newry
Section C Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Cavan 3 1 0 1 4 40 33 1.212
Monaghan 3 1 0 2 2 36 32 1.125
Antrim 2 1 0 1 2 17 24 0.708
QUB 2 1 0 0 2 21 25 0.840
Queens v Antrim at Casement Park
Impossible to predict with scoring averages. I think they divide the for score by the against score.
My prediction Derry (obviously) Donegal, Cavan and UUJ.
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 13, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
Is this the end of Tyrone as they drop out at an early stage of the McKenna Cup and feel the pain experienced by others who have sought five in a row glory?...
Yep, without a doubt (and let's ignore completely
Tyrone B UUJ).
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 13, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
Is this the end of Tyrone as they drop out at an early stage of the McKenna Cup and feel the pain experienced by others who have sought five in a row glory? Do they have a Darby moment? :D
The last time we didn't win the McKenna, we won the NFL and then went through the SFC unbeaten, nailing Armagh in the final with a fella on one leg.
Probably take that again.
A poor substitute for thinking before you write in the first place ;)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2008, 09:03:44 PM
Red Hands out of Dr McKenna Cup
Holders Tyrone are out of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup after they lost 0-12 to 0-11 against Donegal on Sunday. Donegal missed goal chances and Tyrone led 0-5 to 0-3 at the end of a half delayed by Aidan McCarron being taken to hospital with suspected concussion. Tyrone moved three ahead (0-7 to 0-4) but Donegal hit seven of the next eight scores to lead 0-11 to 0-8. The Red Hands produced a late rally but Colm McFadden's six points helped Donegal hold on to earn a deserved win. Brian McGuigan's anticipated return to Tyrone colours after injury did not materialise with Mickey Harte opting not to risk the Ardboe man in the heavy underfoot conditions at Ballyshannon. Christy Toye and the lively Brian Roper missed early goal chances although the latter did have the consolation of claiming a point with his close-range chance.
After Kevin McNally had levelled for Tyrone, Ryan Bradley then blazed another glorious Donegal chance over the bar and Roper wasted another opportunity by hitting another great opportunity across the face of goal in the 15th minute. Tyrone's young team finally began to look the part midway through the opening period and they hit four unanswered points to lead 0-5 to 0-2 with Cathal McCarron slotting three scores and Shaun O'Neill also on target. However the Red Hands suffered a blow before the break when Aidan McCarron had to be taken to hospital by ambulance after appearing to sustain a head injury. Initial reports suggested that that the player had sustained concussion and he is expected to be kept in Sligo General Hospital overnight. After leading 0-5 to 0-3 at the interval, two Tommy McGuigan scores helped Tyrone move into a 0-7 to 0-4 lead after 42 minutes. However, Donegal's more direct play was starting to cause problems in the Tyrone defence and two McFadden efforts, split by a fisted Ryan Bradley effort, levelled matters by the 51st minute. After Shaun O'Neill had missed a Tyrone goal chance, Gary Reilly did restore the Red Hand advantage but Donegal replied with four successive points to lead 0-11 to 0-8 after 58 minutes with McFadden (two), Roper and David Walsh on target. Donegal led 0-12 to 0-9 after 62 minutes but Tyrone had the better of the closing stages. Cathal McCarron hit the final two scores of the game and Donegal goalkeeper Paul Durcan needed to make a superb late catch to field a dangerous high ball from Colm McCullagh in the final play of the game. The result leaves Tyrone on two points from their three games while Donegal still have qualification hopes with their final game against Down to follow.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7186186.stm
Already posted.
Donegal's tactic of hoofing the ball into the Tyrone full back line today paid dividends- the fullback line was very exposed at times and I thought we were lucky to lose by just 1 point in the end.
But at least we got to see players in competitive situations and now management will have to make up their minds.
So, our reign in the Dr McKenna Cup is over! I thought it was a fair enough result in Ballyshannon and not the worst of games for the time of year.
Tyrone lost out today because we lost our way around midfield in the second half and also failed to stop McFadden. Those two second half goal opportunities that were missed by Snowy O'Neill and Cathal McCarron were also critical. McFadden was the only Donegal player who did us any major harm, winning just about every ball that came his way and having far too many free shots on goal. Swift, who was having a good campaign up to today, was given quite a roasting. I was very surprised that he was allowed to remain on McFadden for so long (sixty minutes, I think!). Had either Cathal McCarron (Dromore) or Conor Gormley been available to mark McFadden today, I think we would have seen a different outcome to the game.
On the plus side, Enda McGinley's work-rate was outstanding for the second game in succession while Tommy McGuigan showed again that he has the talent and potential to earn a regular spot in the Tyrone attack for the much bigger games that lie ahead. P.J. Quinn and Philly Jordan also played well in tough conditions while Cathal McCarron and Snowy O'Neill (despite fluffing goal chances) did enough in attack to at least keep their place in the squad for the National League.
McKenna semis to be rescheduled
The McKenna Cup semi-finals are likely to be rescheduled to a midweek date due to the postponement of Sunday's Down v UUJ Group B clash in Newcastle. With the decider still on schedule for 26 January, the result of postponed game has a bearing on who goes through.
Down are due to play Donegal this Wednesday night, so their game with the students could go ahead this weekend, the original date for the semi-finals. It is now likely that they semis will take place on Wednesday 23 January.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7186690.stm
Donegal V Tyrone game on TG4:
http://www.tg4.tv/channels/SportArchive.aspx?mm=l&ns=131&a=38236
Any word on Aidan McCarron?
(http://www.tyronegaa.ie/image?tn=Block&key=blockID&colname=blkContents&keyval=1148)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=501
That Kevin Cassidy must have a quare auld hard shoulder ! Either that or he had a block under his jumper ! ;) ;)
Should the thread title not be changed to impossible five in a row??
Be some job from Mickey if they do get it then!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 15, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
Should the thread title not be changed to impossible five in a row??
Happy now!
McKenna Cup clashes on Wednesday
At least one more Gaelic Life McKenna Cup semi-finalist will be known after Wednesday's games at Casement Park and Pairc Esler, Newry (2000 GMT). Antrim face Queen's in the final Section C game in Belfast with both teams on two points - two behind Cavan, who have completed their group games. Down face Donegal at Newry with the home side having lost their opener and Donegal on two points from two games. Leaders UUJ face Down in the last group B game on Saturday (1800). Donegal showed decent form when edging out Tyrone at Ballyshannon on Sunday. Down were beaten by the Red Hands in their first group match last week. Queen's beat an understrength Monaghan team in their opened but they were well-beaten by Cavan on Saturday night. Antrim, meanwhile, surprised Cavan in their opener last Wednesday but they went down by eight points against a strong Monaghan side on Sunday. If there is a winner at Casement Park, scoring differences will have to be calculated to decide who heads the group and earns a place in the semi-finals. It's possible that the second place team could in Section C could also progress if their scoring difference is better than Fermanagh in Section A.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7190216.stm
Victories for Donegal and Antrim expected. (or will Down win their first game in two years?)
there second ;)
Anyone got any scores yet ?
Quote from: downredblack on January 16, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
Anyone got any scores yet ?
You don't want to f**king know!!
Down 5-13 Donegal 0-13
QUB 0-16 Antrim 1-11
Reasonable enough game. Kevin Kelly at full forward for Queen's got a couple of decent scores. Paul McComiskey looked dangerous throughout and did well with the frees. Charlie Vernon also had a good game for Queens. Miceal O'Rourke was bright as well. Thought the whole game lacked a bit of intensity to be honest but the better side won I felt. Queens' probably should have had a couple of goals had they been more clinical in front of goal while the Antrim goal probably should have been saved by the keeper.
Antrim 1-11 0-16 Queen's
The students of Queen's University pulled off another win in the McKenna Cup by overturning a half-time deficit to beat Antrim by five points. Conor Murray scored Antrim's goal in the 22nd minute to help put Jody Gormley's side into a 1-7 to 0-7 advantage at the interval.
Murray finished Antrim's top scorer with 1-2 but his side added only four scores in the second half.
Paul McComiskey was top marksman for Queen's with six points.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7193079.stm
Minister Poots at Newry GAA match
Sports Minister Edwin Poots became the first DUP politician to attend a Gaelic football match in an official capacity at Pairc Esler, Newry, on Wednesday. He was at the McKenna Cup game between Down and Donegal. Mr Poots was welcomed by GAA president Nickey Brennan, director general Liam Mulvihill and Ulster Council president Tom Daly. The invitation to attend a GAA fixture had been accepted when Mr Poots spoke at a GAA conference in October. "This is a landmark occasion in the further development of community relations on the island of Ireland when a Unionist Minister is prepared to attend one of our games," said president Brennan. "For me this highlights the good standing of the Ulster Council who I know have developed an exceptionally positive relationship with Mr Poots. "I am absolutely enthused that the Minister has been so receptive to the role and relevance of the GAA in Ulster and the contribution it makes to sport and communities. "I wish to acknowledge the genuine commitment and professionalism of Edwin Poots in assisting the GAA with our development programmes in Ulster. "I look forward to him taking up my invitation to attend Croke Park for an event in the near future."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7190216.stm
Down 5-14 0-13 Donegal
Down are still in with a chance of making the semi-finals of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup after a convincing win over Donegal at Pairc Esler. They were 3-7 to 0-7 up at half-time thanks to one goal from Jack Lynch and two from debutant John McAreavey. Ryan Bradley scored five frees in the second half as Donegal battled. But Down got further goals through sub Packie Downey and Danny Hughes and they could go through as best losers if they beat UUJ at Newcastle on Saturday.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7193056.stm
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Tables
Section A Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Derry 3 3 0 0 6 46 28 1.400
Fermanagh 3 2 0 1 4 43 37 1.162
St Mary's 3 0 1 2 1 41 52 0.788
Armagh 3 2 1 2 1 29 42 0.690
Section B Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
UUJ 2 2 0 0 4 31 24 1.292
Down 2 1 0 1 2 39 27 1.444
Tyrone 3 1 0 2 2 34 34 1.000
Donegal 3 1 0 2 2 27 30 0.900
Remaining fixture: UUJ v Down at Newcastle
Section C Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Cavan 3 1 0 1 4 40 33 1.212
QUB 3 2 0 0 4 37 39 0.948
Monaghan 3 1 0 2 2 36 32 1.125
Antrim 3 1 0 2 2 31 40 0.755
Cavan, Derry and then two from UUJ, Down and Fermanagh
Looks like the Poly and Down will both make it provided that neither beats the other well at the weekend.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 16, 2008, 10:58:56 PM
Looks like the Poly and Down will both make it provided that neither beats the other well at the weekend.
Both will go through if Down win by a small margin. If UUJ win will Fermanagh not go through?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 10:38:18 PM
Minister Poots at Newry GAA match
Sports Minister Edwin Poots became the first DUP politician to attend a Gaelic football match in an official capacity at Pairc Esler, Newry, on Wednesday...
Credit where it's due, mould-breaking is welcome, and not to be met with universal approbation from the DUP I'd venture. If he'd only loosen up a bit now on the Irish Language...
QuoteBoth will go through if Down win by a small margin. If UUJ win will Fermanagh not go through?
Yep your right - sorry read the table wrong.
Down team tonight:
Bernard Connell Drumgath
Ciarán McGovern Burren Gary McArdle Annaclone Martin Cole Rostrevor
Colm Murney Rostrevor Liam Doyle Liatroim Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks
Dan Gordon Loughisland Jack Lynch Drumgath
John Fegan Clonduff Kevin McKernan Burren Danny Hughes Saval
John Mc Areavey Tullylish Cathal Magee Mayobridge Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?
Quote from: J70 on January 16, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?
Not sure yet J70 but given the score:
G. Walsh, B. McGowan, M. Gallagher, N. Hegarty, D. Reid, M. Gavigan, J.J. Doherty, A. Molloy, B. Murray, J. McHugh, M. McHugh, J. McMullan, D. Bonner, T. Boyle, M. Boyle. Sub: B. Cunningham
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 16, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?
Not sure yet J70 but given the score:
G. Walsh, B. McGowan, M. Gallagher, N. Hegarty, D. Reid, M. Gavigan, J.J. Doherty, A. Molloy, B. Murray, J. McHugh, M. McHugh, J. McMullan, D. Bonner, T. Boyle, M. Boyle. Sub: B. Cunningham
Them boys took the odd McKenna Cup hammering too!
How times change though - Barry Cunningham was the only substitute used that day, and he only came on when Brian Murray was injured. I think the Dubs only made one change that day as well - Bealin for Foran.
DUP sports minister Poots attends his first GAA game By Barry McCaffrey
17/01/08
DUP culture, arts and leisure minister Edwin Poots last night became the first senior DUP politician to attend a GAA match.
He unexpectedly appeared at a game between Down and Donegal in Newry.
However, he deliberately arrived 10 minutes after the game began to avoid being there while Amhrán na bhFiann (The Soldier's Song) was played."I had always indicated that I was not refusing to attend a GAA game – rather, it was a matter of finding a suitable time," Mr Poots said.
Of the playing of the Irish national anthem, he said: "While I recognise that the GAA has made strong efforts to improve that situation, with the likes of the English rugby team and other sports playing in places like Croke Park, there is still a challenge for them to prove to the Protestant community that things have changed.
"I am attending the game in my role as sports minister but as a unionist I would not feel comfortable standing for The Soldier's Song."
GAA president Nickey Brennan des-cribed Mr Poots's presence as "historic" and said: "This is a landmark occasion in the further development of community relations on the island of Ireland when a unionist minister is prepared to attend one of our games.
"For me this highlights the good standing of the Ulster Council GAA, who I know have developed an exceptionally positive relationship with Mr Poots. I look forward to him taking up my invitation to attend Croke Park for an event in the near future."
SDLP MLA and lifelong Down fan PJ Bradley said Mr Poots's attendance was "another positive step".
"I'd like to ask the minister to come to every game because Down won so well tonight," he said.
http://www.irishnews.com/page.asp?catid=540&subcatid=5860&sid=577714
When I first heard he was at the match I wondered how he would deal with Amhrán na bhFiann.
Was at the Queens v Antrim game last night, entertaining game. Queens, although I wouldn't say a lot fitter than Antrim, were certainly more organised and had a well thought out gameplan, whereas Antrim seemed to fly by the seat of their pants. Antrim dominated MF with McGourty & Joe Quinn in good form, although I thought that Queens tried to intentionally bypass MF for most of the game. The game's best player was Antrims #11 (McCann?), who looks to be an ideal CHF, but maybe a bit too similar in style to MCGourty, he gave Joe OKane a torrid time in the first half, but to be fair to O'Kane he turned it around a bit in the second half. Best for Queens, probably Courtney & McComiskey, with hounourable mentions to Aodan Gallgher and Kevin Kelly (who were both strangely/tactically substituted). I though the AOR/Bernie Murray management combo definitely delivered tactically on the night.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 17, 2008, 09:54:53 AM
Was at the Queens v Antrim game last night, entertaining game. Queens, although I wouldn't say a lot fitter than Antrim, were certainly more organised and had a well thought out gameplan, whereas Antrim seemed to fly by the seat of their pants. Antrim dominated MF with McGourty & Joe Quinn in good form, although I thought that Queens tried to intentionally bypass MF for most of the game. The game's best player was Antrims #11 (McCann?), who looks to be an ideal CHF, but maybe a bit too similar in style to MCGourty, he gave Joe OKane a torrid time in the first half, but to be fair to O'Kane he turned it around a bit in the second half. Best for Queens, probably Courtney & McComiskey, with hounourable mentions to Aodan Gallgher and Kevin Kelly (who were both strangely/tactically substituted). I though the AOR/Bernie Murray management combo definitely delivered tactically on the night.
Now he wouldn't be a relative would he? ;)
Definately think he will get a call up to the county as we desperately need scoring forwards and he has a swet left foot, as for you Benny you have only a sweet tooth! ;)
Quote from: J70 on January 16, 2008, 11:22:39 PM
Any chance of the Donegal line-up?
Donegal go Down to Mournemen
17 January 2008
Down moved within one win of a Dr. McKenna Cup semi-final after cruising to an emphatic 5-14 to 0-13 win over an experimental Donegal at Newry.
Three goals in the first half and two more in the second sealed Down's win and served to propel the Tir Chonaill men out of the competition. A blistering start by the home side saw them lead by 0-4 to 0-1 after just ten minutes of play.
Things got even better for Down thereafter with Jack Lynch running straight through a stationery Donegal defence to smack the ball into the net.
Down's second goal was scored by debutant John McAveavey and so was the third after being set up in each instance by Ronan Sexton.
Donegal only threatened Down's goal intermittently but a string of points from the accurate Kevin McMenamin and substitute Colm McFadden did help them cut the deficit to 0-7 to 3-7 at half-time.
Down were reduced to 14 men four minutes after the restart with McKernan getting his second yellow card, and scores from McFadden and Ryan Bradley had Donegal within seven points. However, points from McAveavey, Lynch, Daniel Hughes and Sexton consolidated Down's healthy advantage. Donegal's inexperience was showing at that stage with Bradley (who notched five second half frees) keeping them ticking over.
The hosts finished with a flourish and late goals from Packie Downey and Daniel Hughes added salt into Donegal's gaping wound.
Down - B Connell, C McGovern, G McArdle, M Cole, C Murney, L Doyle, K McGuigan, D Gordan 0-1, J Lynch 1-2, J Fegan 0-1, K McKernan 0-1, D Hughes 1-4, J McAreavey 2-3, C Magee 0-1, R Sexton 0-1. Subs - R Murtagh for Doyle, P Downey 1-0 for C Magee, P Turley for Lynch, J Clarke for J McAreavey, D O'Hanlon for Cole.
Donegal - M Boyle, M Maguire, M McGee, M McGowan, C Byrne, E Magee, S McGowan, J Freil, K Cassidy, D Waslh, F MgGlynn, O Doherty, Kevin McMenamin 0-5, R Bradley 0-5, J McLoone. Subs - S McHugh for Byrne, C McFadden 0-2 for M Maguire, K Rafferty for Freil, D Langan for O Doherty, D Boyle for McMenamin.http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87849
Gordon is the new senior team captain
17 January 2008
Dan Gordon the experienced Loughinisland clubman has been selected as the new Down senior football team captain for the coming season.
Gordon has been a regular midfielder on the Mourne side for the past number of years, and is rated as one of the best midfielders in the game at the present time.
An Ulster interprovincial player, Gordon is very honoured to be appointed captain of his native county, and is hoping to play a leading role in getting the team to compete for major honours in the coming months in both league and championship.
Dan's first competitive game as team-captain was a recent Dr. McKenna Cup clash against Tyrone in Healy Park, Omagh - a game that the Mourne side lost despite matched the home side in everything but the scoreboard. However, he had better luck in his second outing with the county squad on Wednesday night, 16th of January when the Down side under manager Ross Carr went on a scoring spree and easily defeated Donegal in the second round of the Dr. McKenna Cup at the Pairc Esler, Newry venue under lights - notching up an impressive 5-14 into the bargain. This win puts the Down side right back into contention in the race for McKenna Cup honours again.
The leading question now is can Dan lead his inexperienced Down side to McKenna Cup honours in 2008 - it would be a great start to his captaincy, and a tremendous boost to Down football ahead of what is expected to be a very tough and interesting league and championship season.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=87892
never kickt a ball - Do the Ulster council consider it part of your work time to be posting up all this info?
Quote from: Uladh on January 18, 2008, 12:01:14 PM
never kickt a ball - Do the Ulster council consider it part of your work time to be posting up all this info?
Yes I know. I just have an affinity for the competition. I know it's sad but sure what the hell.
Down v UUJ fixture moves to Newry
The venue for Saturday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup match between Down and UUJ has been switched from Newcastle to Newry (1800 GMT). Down still have a chance of making the semi-finals after a convincing win over Donegal at Pairc Esler on Wednesday. The Mourne men will qualify for the last four if they see off the students. The semi-finals of the competition will take place on Tuesday 22 January and Wednesday 23 January with the final being staged on Saturday 26 January.
Derry will face Fermanagh, UUJ or Down in one semi-final and Cavan play UUJ or Down in the other.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7196554.stm
The UUJ team for Down game:
(http://uujgaelic.servasport.com/image?tn=Images&key=imageID&colname=photoImage&keyval=5481)
WTF ::) :-[
Good christ!
So where are we now. Paddy Heaney says on the back page that if Down beat UUJ by more than a point then Fermanagh go through to semis. If UUJ win then Fermanagh are also through I think?
Quote from: ExiledGael on January 19, 2008, 11:54:48 AM
Good christ!
So where are we now. Paddy Heaney says on the back page that if Down beat UUJ by more than a point then Fermanagh go through to semis. If UUJ win then Fermanagh are also through I think?
Yes that appears to be it. A win for UUJ and a draw and Fermanagh go through. An if Down win well Fermanagh go through.
Latest score lads?
Down won 1-15 to 0-15
Down and Fermanagh through
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Final Tables
Section A Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Derry 3 3 0 0 6 46 28 1.400
Fermanagh 3 2 0 1 4 43 37 1.162
St Mary's 3 0 1 2 1 41 52 0.788
Armagh 3 2 1 2 1 29 42 0.690
Section B Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Down 2 1 0 1 4 57 42 1.357
UUJ 2 2 0 0 4 46 42 1.095
Tyrone 3 1 0 2 2 34 34 1.000
Donegal 3 1 0 2 2 27 30 0.900
Section C Played Won Draw Lost Points For Against Scoring Average
Cavan 3 1 0 1 4 40 33 1.212
QUB 3 2 0 0 4 37 39 0.948
Monaghan 3 1 0 2 2 36 32 1.125
Antrim 3 1 0 2 2 31 40 0.755
Semi Finals
The first semi-final is on Tuesday at Newry on Tuesday, 22 January when Cavan play Down at 2000GMT.
On Wednesday Derry face Fermanagh at Omagh (2000GMT).
Fermanagh to send out a pretty much full strength side against an experimental derry team should see fermanagh through to the final where they will beat close neighbours cavan in a tight game.
This will springboard the wee county to promotion in the National league and an ulster final appearance.
Am I in dreamland?
Quote from: 118cmal on January 20, 2008, 10:17:51 AM
Fermanagh to send out a pretty much full strength side against an experimental derry team should see fermanagh through to the final where they will beat close neighbours cavan in a tight game.
This will springboard the wee county to promotion in the National league and an ulster final appearance.
Am I in dreamland?
Don't be getting too carried away!!
I'm not sure what side Fermanagh will put out on Wednesday night but I guess it'll be pretty decent but not completely full strength. I'm sure O'Rourke will remian loyal to the guys that have played in the group stages.
Whilist I'd be pleased to see us progress to a McKenna cup final I woudn't want expectations to be raised so early on in the year. If it raises confidence among the squad then that's a positive thing but it's only the McKenna cup and there's a tough division 3 NFL campaign ahead just around the corner!
Lakeland is dreamland.Down to beat Derry by 2 points at a baltic Casement Park.Dan Gordon takes Mc Kenna home for first time in 10 years.
Dont get carried away Caitlin, Cavan are a boggy team for Down.
We'll definitely still put out a young enough team on Wednesday. As the other ernemen have said it's all about preparing for the NFL and Championship. Winning the McKenna Cup and still being out of everything by July would still be another disappointing season.
Armagh the worst team in the competition :(
Mr McDonnell hasnt dun anything to be prod of yet and if he doesnt get it sorted out soon well be in a mess whne it comes to the league. Wats his best team. he doesnt no yret and he needs to no that v soon or else were stuffed. I dont think were the worset team in the Mckenna cup but i think we might have put out a weaken team to fool everybody. THAT WAS RONG!! Mr McDonnell culd be good but he needs sum one to help him get the best out of his player. i think geezer shold come back an help hiom as his no 2. He nose the players in the dressin room and that inportent.
Jinxy you're right ! He is drunk !!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D ;) ;) :o ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Armagh4SamAgain on January 20, 2008, 07:54:30 PM
Mr McDonnell hasnt dun anything to be prod of yet and if he doesnt get it sorted out soon well be in a mess whne it comes to the league. Wats his best team. he doesnt no yret and he needs to no that v soon or else were stuffed. I dont think were the worset team in the Mckenna cup but i think we might have put out a weaken team to fool everybody. THAT WAS RONG!! Mr McDonnell culd be good but he needs sum one to help him get the best out of his player. i think geezer shold come back an help hiom as his no 2. He nose the players in the dressin room and that inportent.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Ban him!
For life !!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
QuoteWinning the McKenna Cup and still being out of everything by July would still be another disappointing season.
how can you say that. i think that winning the mc kenna cup would be a great boost for fermanagh and their supporters. its being a long time since fermanagh being at a final.
Btw, it will be all over by july along with many other counties
Good to see Down making a wee bit of progress. Two wins in the McKenna Cup in January is nothing to get carried away with but it's still progress for a county that has been performing so poorly recently. Let's hope it gives us a lift going into the league.
Down at home to Cavan
21 January 2008
Old rivals Cavan and Down clash for a place in the final of this season's Dr. McKenna Cup when the sides meet in Pairc Esler, Newry on Tuesday, 22nd of January at 8pm. Despite being a mid-week game the match is sure to attract a big attendance to the newly-refurbished Newry venue. The teams will be going all-out for a place in the final against either Derry or Fermanagh who meet in the second semi-final the following night (Wednesday), 23rd of January at Healy Park in Omagh also at 8pm.
Down go into Tuesday nights game on the back of two very impressive wins over Donegal and UUJ - both games played at the Newry venue - and no doubt, they will be hoping for a hat-trick of victories against a Cavan side who reserved their best form in the competition at home with wins over Monaghan and Queen's in Kingspan/Breffni Park. They went under to Antrim in a close second round game at Casement Park - a match they almost got something from in the dying minutes.
Down after a sun holiday break opened their McKenna Cup campaign away to Tyrone in Healy Park, Omagh and despite matching the home side in most facets of play went down in the end due to a cutting edge in their play in front of goal.
To their credit they 'turned it around' in tremendous fashion in their last two games at Newry outscoring Donegal and scoring five goals into the bargain, while in the clash with a strong UUJ side they put up an impressive 1-15 total, while conceding 0-14.
Cavan will be the fresher side going into the game on Tuesday evening, as Down have played three games in a short space of time - and physically that may come against them on this occasion. However, they have the advantage of playing at home - and it does mean a lot. They seem to be getting a settled side into the bargain.
Manager Ross Carr is delighted with the way his side have played in the competition. "We started the competition below-par away to Tyrone. However, to the credit of the players they 'turned it around' and now they are playing with a lot of confidence. However, the game with Cavan is another big test for what is basically a young and untried side. We are expecting another close battle, and hopefully, we can do ourselves justice on the evening.''
The Cavan side showed plenty of character and determination when defeating Queen's in deplorable weather conditions last time out in Kingspan/Breffni Park. On that occasion a number of the new players showed up well. It is expected that a few of the more experienced players may be available for to-morrow night in Newry - a game that has all the makings of an interesting clash between two sides who like to play open football.
Down with home advantage will start slight favourites. However, Cavan sides down the years have always reserved their best form for clashes with the Mourne county. Hopefully, this will be the case on Tuesday night.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=88032
How come Down got home advantage in this match?
Given that when Down played UUJ no radio station was interested you might get some commentary from a Cavan perspective from this crowd:
http://northernsound.ie/listen.php
Any special guests in Newry tonight? Paisley, Bush, Clinton.........?
The crowd itself. :D :D :D
NKAB
There was commentary on the Down-UUJ game provided by Jack Devaney and Jerry Quinn- good it was too.
Cant seem to get any odds on the match tonight? Ragin wanted to stick a bit on Down! I suppose I could make up my own price but there's no fun in that!
Quote from: Caitlin on January 22, 2008, 06:06:26 PM
NKAB
There was commentary on the Down-UUJ game provided by Jack Devaney and Jerry Quinn- good it was too.
Would that be available over the internet? Five or something is it?
You will get the match here:
http://www.fivefm.co.uk/
You need to Download the Orban plug in first to enable you to listen.
Down bate Cavan by a pt. look to see them all tryin 2 get tickets for the final! all the bandwagon.
Bitter Armagh4Sam again? Youse would love to be in that final, some record though 0 for 3
we got a drawin are last game
Quote from: Armagh4SamAgain on January 22, 2008, 10:19:33 PM
we got a drawin are last game
I'm sure you meant in
our last game; and it was 0 wins in 3 games.
Where's the final at anyway?
Quote from: Doire abú on January 23, 2008, 12:13:47 AM
Where's the final at anyway?
Depends on the result of the other game. Could be in Newry, Omagh, Celtic Park or Casement.
Down qualify for McKenna decider
An late point from Danny Hughes helped Down beat Cavan 1-16 to 2-12 in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup semi-final.
Down led 0-4 to 0-1 early on but Cavan were level (0-9 to 0-9) by the break.
Barry Watters' goal put Cavan three up but they had Mark McKeever sent off and Down got quickly on terms only for them to have sub Colm Murney dismissed.
Danny Hughes' goal helped Down move three ahead but John McCutcheon's goal levelled late on before he was sent off and Hughes then struck the winner.
The Mourne County will face either Fermanagh or Derry in Saturday's final.
Derry take on the Erne County in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh (2000 GMT).
Kevin McKernan (two), John Fegan and Cathal Magee were on target for Down early on as they forged a 0-4 to 0-1 lead.
However, Michael Brides, Eddie Reilly and Gerard Pierson hit the next three scores as Cavan levelled.
Down did move two ahead again in the second quarter but two Finbarr O'Reilly frees before the break brought the sides level.
606: DEBATE
Cavan looked to have struck a crucial blow when Watters slammed in his team's first goal six minutes into the second half.
However, almost immediately Cavan midfielder Mark McKeever received a straight red card after an off-the-ball incident and Down used their man advantage to reply with three quick scores to level.
Down sub Colm Murney was sent off after getting his second yellow card on 55 minutes.
Finbarr O'Reilly's point edged Cavan ahead again inside the final 10 minutes but Danny Hughes' 65th-minute goal put Down 1-14 to 1-12 ahead.
Cathal Magee's third point extended Down's lead to three but John McCutcheon then levelled for Cavan when he scrambled in his team's second goal.
McCutcheon's goal was his final involvement in the game as he received his second caution in the dying seconds of the contest to leave Cavan with only 13 players.
Hughes supplied the winner to put Down in the final.
John Fegan finished with five points for Down while Hughes contributed 1-2.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7203800.stm
Looks like home advantage swung it for Down
UTV have fairly got their act together - on the 10.30 news they had a pile of clips and the presenter was so enthusiastic when giving the report !!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
never kickt a ball - It would be great to have the final in Newry but it would very unfair to either Derry or Fermanagh. I would imagine it would have to be played at a neutral venue. If its Derry in the final it will be Casement, if its Fermanagh it would be Omagh.
Quote from: amallon on January 23, 2008, 09:02:39 AM
never kickt a ball - It would be great to have the final in Newry but it would very unfair to either Derry or Fermanagh. I would imagine it would have to be played at a neutral venue. If its Derry in the final it will be Casement, if its Fermanagh it would be Omagh.
The McKenna Cup is funny when it comes to venues. Most teams' are fairly relaxed about venues in this competition. Last year the final was held in Omagh between Tyrone and Donegal. Donegal had the later National League game in mind and wanted a run out under lights in Omagh in preparation. This followed the earlier final between the two counties in Ballybofey when Cormac McAnnallen lifted the cup. So I wouldn't rule out home venue for any team if both teams can agree the venue.
Here's hoping for a Newry final then so!
If only Armagh had got their act together, the Athletic Grounds wolud've been ideal.
ITV wasn't that good orangeman, they only had clips from the first half! But I suppose its a step forward at least.
Plus a4sa when I said 0 for 3, I was talking about wins obviously.
Derry V Fermanagh tonight at Healy Park. Like all Tyrone people I'll be hoping for both of them to lose. :D :D Seriously though it has to be Derry. (Everybody get on Fermanagh!!!)
Derry progress to McKenna final
Derry set up a Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final clash against Down on Saturday by edging out Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh.
Final in Casement or Omagh then, i'd guess.
5 points is a fair edge ! :)
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 23, 2008, 10:20:15 PM
The Final is on Saturday at 7.30pm in Casement.
Will Casement be playable, it was unplayable last Sunday?
Derry progress to McKenna final Derry set up a Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final clash against Down on Saturday by edging out Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh.
Amazingly, all Derry's scores came from play including their goals from Colin Devlin and Sean Leo McGoldrick.
Devlin's goal helped Derry lead 1-6 to 0-5 at the interval.
Sean Doherty's goal helped Fermanagh take the lead but McGoldrick's goal, after a Paddy Bradley pass, turned the game in Derry's favour again.
Matthew Keenan's accuracy from free kicks kept the Erne men in touch early on, and with 24 minutes played, they were just a point adrift at 0-5 to 0-4.
But Devlin's superb goal gave Derry some breathing space on 27 minutes.
He picked up possession 45 metres out on the left before sprinting through to blast past Chris Breen.
Paddy Bradley managed just one point in the opening half, off his less favoured right foot, late in the half, to send the Oak Leafers in with a 1-6 to 0-5 advantage.
McGoldrick stretched the lead within 15 seconds of the restart, but just two minutes later, the Erne men did get the goal they had been threatening and probably deserved with Doherty supplying the finish.
It was a remarkable response from Malachy O'Rourke's charges, who in the space of seven minutes went from five points behind to a point in front.
Mark Little levelled from a free, before Maguire sliced over the lead point, but Derry were soon level again with a typical Paddy Bradley effort, effortlessly floated between the posts from the left wing.
And Bradley turned creator for Derry's second goal, crossing from the left for McGoldrick to net from close range 15 minutes into the half after substitutes Paul Murphy and Enda Lynn had combined impressively.
The goal turned the game in Derry's favour again and they went on to set up a decider against Down at Casement Park on Saturday evening (1930 GMT).
Derry : B Gillis, K McGuckin, L Hinphey, F McEldowney, M McBride (0-1), J Keenan, P O'Hea, J Conway (0-2), M Friel, A McElhone, C O'Kane (0-1), R Wilkinson, C Devlin (1-1), P Bradley (0-4), S McGoldrick (1-1). Subs: P Murphy for Friel, E Lynn (0-1) for O'Kane, D McBride for O'Hea, F Doherty (0-1) for McElhone, R Kealy for Wilkinson.
Fermanagh : C Breen, S Goan, P Mohan, D O'Reilly, T McElroy, S McDermott, D Kelly (0-1), M McGrath, M Murphy, M Little (0-2, 2 frees), S Doherty (1-2), C McElroy, P Cadden, M Keenan (0-3, 3 frees), E Maguire (0-1). Subs: P Sherry for O'Reilly, R Johnston for T McElroy, R Keenan (0-1) for C McElroy, C Boyle for Keenan, B Mulrone for Doherty.
Referee : M Sludden (Dromore).
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7206016.stm
See they give the ref's club rather than his County.
When will they tell where the final will be played?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
Derry progress to McKenna final Derry set up a Gaelic Life McKenna Cup final clash against Down on Saturday by edging out Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 in Wednesday's second semi-final at Omagh.
Amazingly, all Derry's scores came from play including their goals from Colin Devlin and Sean Leo McGoldrick.
Devlin's goal helped Derry lead 1-6 to 0-5 at the interval.
Sean Doherty's goal helped Fermanagh take the lead but McGoldrick's goal, after a Paddy Bradley pass, turned the game in Derry's favour again.
Matthew Keenan's accuracy from free kicks kept the Erne men in touch early on, and with 24 minutes played, they were just a point adrift at 0-5 to 0-4.
But Devlin's superb goal gave Derry some breathing space on 27 minutes.
He picked up possession 45 metres out on the left before sprinting through to blast past Chris Breen.
Paddy Bradley managed just one point in the opening half, off his less favoured right foot, late in the half, to send the Oak Leafers in with a 1-6 to 0-5 advantage.
McGoldrick stretched the lead within 15 seconds of the restart, but just two minutes later, the Erne men did get the goal they had been threatening and probably deserved with Doherty supplying the finish.
It was a remarkable response from Malachy O'Rourke's charges, who in the space of seven minutes went from five points behind to a point in front.
Mark Little levelled from a free, before Maguire sliced over the lead point, but Derry were soon level again with a typical Paddy Bradley effort, effortlessly floated between the posts from the left wing.
And Bradley turned creator for Derry's second goal, crossing from the left for McGoldrick to net from close range 15 minutes into the half after substitutes Paul Murphy and Enda Lynn had combined impressively.
The goal turned the game in Derry's favour again and they went on to set up a decider against Down at Casement Park on Saturday evening (1930 GMT).
Derry : B Gillis, K McGuckin, L Hinphey, F McEldowney, M McBride (0-1), J Keenan, P O'Hea, J Conway (0-2), M Friel, A McElhone, C O'Kane (0-1), R Wilkinson, C Devlin (1-1), P Bradley (0-4), S McGoldrick (1-1). Subs: P Murphy for Friel, E Lynn (0-1) for O'Kane, D McBride for O'Hea, F Doherty (0-1) for McElhone, R Kealy for Wilkinson.
Fermanagh : C Breen, S Goan, P Mohan, D O'Reilly, T McElroy, S McDermott, D Kelly (0-1), M McGrath, M Murphy, M Little (0-2, 2 frees), S Doherty (1-2), C McElroy, P Cadden, M Keenan (0-3, 3 frees), E Maguire (0-1). Subs: P Sherry for O'Reilly, R Johnston for T McElroy, R Keenan (0-1) for C McElroy, C Boyle for Keenan, B Mulrone for Doherty.
Referee : M Sludden (Dromore).
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7206016.stm
See they give the ref's club rather than his County.
Read much ;)
Great that all the scores came from play last nite!
Quote from: el Chino on January 24, 2008, 12:52:56 PM
Great that all the scores came from play last nite!
You mean Derry's scores were all from play.
Derry are lookng good this year and are bound to be worth a few £ at a big price for Ulster ??
Carr disgusted with McHugh's comments Gaelic Games
By Brendan Crossan
24/01/08
DOWN manager Ross Carr has slammed GAA media pundit Martin McHugh for painting a gloomy picture of the Mournemen in 2008.
In a newspaper column, McHugh argued Down had gone "backwards" after watching them lose to Tyrone in the Dr McKenna Cup earlier this month. And with Benny Coulter in their ranks, the 1992 All-Ireland winner also suggested the Mournemen were merely a one-man team.
McHugh stood by his comments yesterday - but Carr insisted the former Donegal player's views were totally unjustified and that the GAA columnist was suffering from "the Eamonn Dunphy syndrome".
"Unless you're confrontational [in the media], then you're no good," blasted Carr.
"On television, some former players have been very quick to ridicule Down football. I think it's jealousy because they seem to love getting a dig at Down.
"McHugh said after the McKenna Cup game against Tyrone that Down are going backwards and that they're a one-man team - all they have is Benny Coulter. To say that in the first or second week of January is ludicrous."
The Down boss, who won All-Ireland titles in 1991 and 1994, accused McHugh of glorifying his own playing era and castigating the standards of the modern game.
"We're getting into a situation now where pundits are saying: 'they were never as good as when we played'," Carr said.
"I find it amazing how quick they [pundits] are to judge a young fella's career. Based on what? A lot of guys who play the game are very much of the same ability. There are exceptions to the rule.
"There is maybe around 10 or 15 per cent of inter-county footballers who are above everybody else. They are the likes of Oisin McConville, Tomas O Se and Paddy Bradley - they are class acts. But everybody else isn't far away from each other in terms of talent.
"I played with players who were much more talented than me and I played against fellas in Down club football who were more gifted than me. I just happened to come along at a lucky time.
"Martin McHugh was a very good footballer, but he was very lucky to come along at a time when Donegal won an All-Ireland.
"What we're trying to do is put together a squad who will do their best on and off the pitch for Down football. No-one knows where that will take us."
Following their opening McKenna Cup defeat to the Red Hands, Down have reached the final by beating Donegal, UUJ and Cavan.
"What we've found out is not an answer to football ability, we've found out that these boys really want to play for Down," said Carr.
Yesterday, McHugh reiterated his stance. He said: "The game is all about opinions. I was very disappointed with Down against a Tyrone third string. They also beat UUJ and Donegal shadow sides. I don't like what I see in Down and I believe they have gone backwards."
McHugh added: "I don't like saying these things about Down football because when I played they were everybody's benchmark, and there would be nobody happier than me to see them improve. After all, they were the team who won two All-Irelands in the early '90s while Derry and Donegal managed only one title apiece."
Carr argued that the modern-day player who is prepared to meet the exceptional demands of the inter-county game should not have to endure "unjustified" criticism.
The Clonduff clubman said: "These boys give selflessly of their time whether it be for 12 months or five years. For that period of time they say: 'this is my life'.
"When it comes to the end of that period of time where they've given everything, their fall from grace is so sudden. Players who have won Ulster Championships or All-Irelands become very ordinary players after a season or two, not because they're bad or ordinary, they just lose that drive."
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/2008/1/597/5776/578371_334513012642Carrdisgu.html
Well that's the motivation sorted for Down. They must be certain to beat Derry now in the final.
Wee Martin's just trying to stir the pot, be contreversial and sell newspapers !
These areticles shouldn't be taken too seriously - I thought Ross would have known better - I know he's on a good run alright but he should keep his powder dry.........
Quote from: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 02:02:58 PM
Derry are lookng good this year and are bound to be worth a few £ at a big price for Ulster ??
I agree. I reckon they will oercome donegal and get revenge over Monaghan for last years defeat.
A final place against Tyrone i predict. And who knows , but Derry could just do it.
Quote from: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
These areticles shouldn't be taken too seriously - I thought Ross would have known better - I know he's on a good run alright but he should keep his powder dry.........
Orangeman, Carr is using the comments shrewdly to accelerate Down's progress and drive them on to greater things. He doesn't want his team to be caught in the headlights on Saturday. The only fear is that with all the recent matches Carr's team will run out of petrol.
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Orangeman, Carr is using the comments shrewdly to accelerate Down's progress and drive them on to greater things. He doesn't want his team to be caught in the headlights on Saturday. The only fear is that with all the recent matches Carr's team will run out of petrol.
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Never kicked a ball you are totally rippin the ass out of the Car metaphor :D
QuoteQuote from: Fíor Gael on January 24, 2008, 03:27:47 PM
Orangeman, Carr is using the comments shrewdly to accelerate Down's progress and drive them on to greater things. He doesn't want his team to be caught in the headlights on Saturday. The only fear is that with all the recent matches Carr's team will run out of petrol.
Never kicked a ball you are totally rippin the ass out of the Car metaphor :D
There was a thread last year about the headlines the newspapers could use for Carr and Down such as "Down's Carr crash out" etc. I don't think that will happen especially after their recent MOT in Spain.
Down v Cavan at Newry:
Fast forward to second page and the bring it forward to 8:16 mins
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080123-hi.asx
Quite amazingly I notice a report from last night's semi-final in today's Newsletter!!? When the hell did all this start?
I know we've seen a lot of momentous occassions in the last few years up north, but this is incredible!
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 05:34:29 PM
Down v Cavan at Newry:
Fast forward to second page and the bring it forward to 8:16 mins
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080123-hi.asx
Once again the TV camera is positioned in the stand showing an almost empty terrace opposite. The GAA piss me off with this lazy attitude to presentation. UTV, TG4 or anybody else should be told that their rights to coverage are subject to getting the best presentation - so the large attendance in the stand should be the backdrop.
A special TV gantry has been built into the Town Terrace at Elser for this very purpose but these buggers dont want to use it for selfish reasons. The game belongs to the GAA and they need to start calling the shots.
Hacked off big time as I have been harping on about this for years.
Quote from: ExiledGael on January 24, 2008, 09:52:47 PM
Quite amazingly I notice a report from last night's semi-final in today's Newsletter!!? When the hell did all this start?
I know we've seen a lot of momentous occassions in the last few years up north, but this is incredible!
Also a full page spread on Armagh ladies captain Bronagh O'Donnell. Times are a changin
Jesus just noticed that too. Stunned.
Quote from: Leo on January 24, 2008, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 05:34:29 PM
Down v Cavan at Newry:
Fast forward to second page and the bring it forward to 8:16 mins
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080123-hi.asx
Once again the TV camera is positioned in the stand showing an almost empty terrace opposite. The GAA piss me off with this lazy attitude to presentation. UTV, TG4 or anybody else should be told that their rights to coverage are subject to getting the best presentation - so the large attendance in the stand should be the backdrop.
A special TV gantry has been built into the Town Terrace at Elser for this very purpose but these buggers dont want to use it for selfish reasons. The game belongs to the GAA and they need to start calling the shots.
Hacked off big time as I have been harping on about this for years.
UTV coverage of the Derry V Fermanagh match on following. Fast forward to the second page and then fast forward to 4:50 mins:
http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20080124-hi.asx
Looks like there is no one at this match either whereas there was over 2000 at it
Cameras all lined up at the back of the stand beside press box. Looks like a good enough facility on the opposite side of the firld in Omagh.
IF they had any interest in the real promotion of our games, or IF the GAA would use their brains and order them to do so, it would surely have been possible to film from that side of the ground and show the few thousand that attended as well.
I could not agree with you all any more re TV shots excluding the crowds. I have been whinging about that for years!
Quote from: ExiledGael on January 24, 2008, 11:38:07 PM
Cameras all lined up at the back of the stand beside press box. Looks like a good enough facility on the opposite side of the firld in Omagh.
IF they had any interest in the real promotion of our games, or IF the GAA would use their brains and order them to do so, it would surely have been possible to film from that side of the ground and show the few thousand that attended as well.
I wrote to TG4 about this lat year and got a wooly reply about resources etc.
Three recet games at Esler Park where the purpose built gantry opposite the stand is has power, ducting etc in place - unused because aan amateur camera crew want to be beside their mates from the print media in the press box.
My main point is that the GAA are at fault.
Is the McKenna final on live and if so which channel please? I can't get setanta Ireland so hopefully it's on TG4.
There's no way I'm going to Belfast on a Saturday night for a mis-matched friendly like this. Derry to win by at least 8 pts.
Saturday: TG4
19:15 - 21:15
UTC GAA Beo
Craoladh beo ar Chluiche Ceannais Chorn Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna. Á chur i láthair ag Micheál Ó Domhnaill agus tráchtaireacht le Brian Tyers.
Live coverage of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Football Final. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Brian Tyers.
Great! I can watch it in the local before heading out.
where is this game on ???
Roger Casement Park, Belfast.
QuoteRoger Casement Park, Belfast.
Which is in Andersonstown.
QuoteAlso a full page spread on Armagh ladies captain Bronagh O'Donnell. Times are a changin
No doubt an attempt by the Newsletter to promote sales in and around Cross', which isn't presently one of their main markets!
Derry v Down
Down manager Ross Carr says winning the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup would be a massive boost for the county.
Carr's side edged out Cavan in an exciting semi-final at Pairc Esler on Tuesday night and now face Derry in Saturday's final at Casement Park.
"The fellows showed they really wanted to get to the final and it is a reward for the hard work they have put in over the last few months," said Carr.
"To win would be huge. Down have had a barren number of years."
Derry reached the decider by beating Fermanagh 2-12 to 1-10 at Omagh on Wednesday.
Like Carr, Derry manager Paddy Crozier has been using the McKenna Cup to assess players pushing for places ahead of the National League campaign.
Both, though, want to go into the season on a winning run and a piece of silverware in the cabinet.
Saturday's final has a 1930GMT throw-in.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7209878.stm
Derry just had too much fire power for Fermanagh, who played well, on Wednesday. Down may be the fresher for this game. Should be an intriguing contest but I fancy Down for the honours.
By the way Hardstation, in order to buy you a drink do you have to get past them gentile, well behaved stewards at Casement Park? :o
I can't believe there are 77 pages of this
Quote from: red hander on January 25, 2008, 07:45:43 PM
I can't believe there are 77 pages of this
Good to see that there is at least one Tyrone person still with an interest in the 2008 McKenna Cup! ;D
Quote from: western exile on January 25, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: red hander on January 25, 2008, 07:45:43 PM
I can't believe there are 77 pages of this
Good to see that there is at least one Tyrone person still with an interest in the 2008 McKenna Cup! ;D
Make that two Tyrone men :D :D :D:
(http://www.omaghstendas.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=957&g2_serialNumber=2)
Maybe three - is this the McKenna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Patrick_McKenna) it's named after?
Taken from www.irishnews.com
Down to edge final Dr McKenna Cup final: Derry v Down (tonight, Casement Park, 7.30pm, live on TG4)
By Paddy Heaney
AN Ulster final and Tyrone nor Armagh are nowhere in sight. It might just be a sign of the summer that lies ahead.
It's possible that Derry and Down could meet in the Ulster SFC final on July 20. Considering Tyrone's continued struggles with injuries and retirements, and with Armagh's future unsure - there is room for a new force to emerge. This evening's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup final in Casement Park will provide some indication of which county is best placed to step into that void.
When the issue has been decided, the losing manager will immediately insist that winning the McKenna Cup was never part of his grand plan. Such statements can be expected and understood.
But make no mistake, this is a final, and no manager, team nor player worth their salt is ambivalent about the outcome of such a game.
Even the finals of club carnivals that are played under the hazy sunshine of a summer evening are fiercely contested.
Neither the team captain of Down (Dan Gordon) nor Kevin McCloy (Derry) started in the midweek semi-final game, but both are expected to line out tonight.
Both Ross Carr and Paddy Crozier will welcome their inclusion. Down struggled at centrefield against Cavan, while Derry's defence endured some shaky moments against Fermanagh, (both Liam Hinphey and Francis McEldowney played despite being dosed with the cold).
The bookies are confident that Kevin McCloy will be the first non-Tyrone man to receive the Cup since 2002. Derry are 4/7 favourites while Down are 7/4.
More than a few punters will be tempted to wager a few shillings on this resurgent Down outfit that has lifted the long-suffering Mourne supporters out of their misery.
Many Down fans are preaching caution while speculating with wild enthusiasm at the same time. After last season, when they failed to win a game in the Dr McKenna Cup and the League, their newfound fervour is entirely understandable.
Five goals against Donegal. Three victories on the trot. Many factors lie behind the recent upturn in fortunes. Senior players have been revitalised after being switched to new positions. John Clarke has been a revelation in the forward line, scoring six points in his last two outings. Liam Doyle has looked the part at centre half-back.
And there are the new players. Ciaran McGovern, Gary McArdle, John Fegan, Kevin McKernan and Colm Murney have all registered heartening displays.
And while Down are the outsiders, they should be much fitter than Derry. Ross Carr's men have been in hard training since October. They spent one weekend in Annaclone GAA club, staying overnight in the hall in sleeping bags before training early the next morning. During their trip to Portugal, they trained three times a day. Paddy Crozier's men didn't return to collective training until mid-December. Even then, a few experienced players were granted extra time off.
Down are preparing for a pressure-ridden Division Three campaign. The two teams relegated from Division Three will lose their place in the qualifiers and automatically enter the Tommy Murphy Cup. There is less at stake for Paddy Crozier in the League. He will want to maintain Division One status, but his plan will be to choreograph Derry's run so they peak against Donegal on June 1.
Bearing in mind the context with which both teams are entering this final, Down represent a shrewd bet. They will view this game as perfect preparation for the must-win games that await them in the NFL.
Derry may hold an advantage in terms of individual talent, but Down's superior fitness levels and will-to-win could cause a shock for the bookmakers.
Quote from: southdown on January 26, 2008, 01:54:07 PM
Ross Carr's men have been in hard training since October. They spent one weekend in Annaclone GAA club, staying overnight in the hall in sleeping bags before training early the next morning.
If Down are successful this year everyone will be at it. Then O'Neills will get into the act and sell sleeping bags while some teams' will go on to have initialled sleeping bags, You know MH or BMI etc. Every GAA Club will be in the market to rent out their halls to County teams......
Anybody know if this match is on the wireless tonight.
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2008, 07:03:03 PM
Anybody know if this match is on the wireless tonight.
http://www.tg4.tv/
I think you can actually watch it online via this link, thats what I'm hoping anyway.
Sorry Rav I meant the radio as it does my nut listening to TG4, I was hoping to stream some commentary ás Béarla so I can get the whole interactive experience.
Anyone else not getting TG4 on virginmedia up north?
The problem with streaming two different sources is that they may not be in sync.
Its coming through loud and clear in NYC!
I'm talking about TG4 TV, not web. I've got a black screen - every other channel is working fine. Typical.
Anyone come across a radio station covering the game yet?
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
Sorry Rav I meant the radio as it does my nut listening to TG4, I was hoping to stream some commentary ás Béarla so I can get the whole interactive experience.
Ah right can't help you there, that would be good though as I'm not much of a gaelic speaker.
Tentative start by both teams - particularly the forwards - 4 wides and 7 miins gone
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Some terrible shootin so far!
anyone in the North watching this on TV?
Quote from: Square Ball on January 26, 2008, 07:45:57 PM
anyone in the North watching this on TV?
I can't get it on TV - u the same?
Great point there by Down.
Mate of mine rang Virgin media and spoke to a Indian wonam who stated it was a local problem, she haddnt a clue really and said the problem was being worked on by technical experts!!!
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Hi Maguire01, TG4 not available on virgin media for me too.
Watching online
Great point by daniel hughes there.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Another Derry wide!!
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Another Derry wide!!
0-5 to 0-1 to Down. Paddy Bradley free
26 Mins gone Down miss goal chance
the standard of shooting is terrible, very basic mistakes as well
if anyone is watching on TV type slowly as the web is behind.
should have been a goal
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Another Derry wide!!
0-5 to 0-1 to Down. Paddy Bradley free
26 Mins gone Down miss goal chance
e n d a m u l d o o n for Cathal Devlin - and another wide for Derry
:D :D :D
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Another Derry wide!!
0-5 to 0-1 to Down. Paddy Bradley free
26 Mins gone Down miss goal chance
e n d a m u l d o o n for Cathal Devlin - and another wide for Derry
Muldoon joins in the spirit - WIDE
Is Joe Brolly their shooting coach as well??
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 08:00:58 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Another Derry wide!!
0-5 to 0-1 to Down. Paddy Bradley free
26 Mins gone Down miss goal chance
e n d a m u l d o o n for Cathal Devlin - and another wide for Derry
Muldoon joins in the spirit - WIDE
Liam Doyle Free for derry over carrying 0-6 to 0-1
Down are at it now - wide. 2 mins added
how many wides in the first half?
For a county team to only noch up a single score in a half cant be good
Half time - Story so far
0-1 to 0-0 to Down Daniel Hughes. Paddy Bradley must remember the time in Casement when Ricey marked him. Just missed a free with ten mins gone :o
0-2 to 0-0 to down Ronan Sexton
0-3 to 0-0 to down John Clarke
That night in the sleeping bags is paying off ;D
Derry are missing shot after shot
0-4 to 0-0 to down Daniel Hughes
0-5 to 0-0 to down kevin McKernan
Another Derry wide!!
0-5 to 0-1 to Down. Paddy Bradley free
26 Mins gone Down miss goal chance
e n d a m u l d o o n for Cathal Devlin - and another wide for Derry
Muldoon joins in the spirit - WIDE
Liam Doyle Free for derry over carrying 0-6 to 0-1
Down are at it now - wide. 2 mins added
HALF TIME: 0-6 to 0-1 to Down
Quote from: Square Ball on January 26, 2008, 08:10:44 PM
how many wides in the first half?
For a county team to only noch up a single score in a half cant be good
Nearly as bad as Tyrone.
I'm convinced Bradley has the horrors from the last time Ricey marked him in Casement
At least Derry managed one score in that half - it would be embarrassing to go 35mins of Championship McKenna Cup football without gettin a score
Teams:
Down
B Mc Veigh
Mc Govern McArdle M Cole
D O'Hanlon L Doyle K McGuigan
J Lynch D Gordon
J Fegan K McKernan D Hughes
J Clarke C Magee R Sexton
Derry
B Gillis
K McGuckin L Himphney F McEldowney
M McBride J Keenan R Keeley
J Conway A McElhone
E Lynn C O' Mayne R Wilkinson
C Devlin Bad Brad B McGoldrick
Muldoon on for Devlin (28 Mins)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 08:22:35 PM
Teams:
Down
B Mc Veigh
Mc Govern McArdle M Cole
D O'Hanlon L Doyle K McGuigan
J Lynch D Gordon
J Fegan K McKernan D Hughes
J Clarke C Magee R Sexton
Derry
B Gillis
K McGuckin L Himphney F McEldowney
M McBride J Keenan R Keeley
J Conway A McElhone
E Lynn C O' Mayne R Wilkinson
C Devlin Bad Brad B McGoldrick
Jaysis thats not the rite derry team!!
John Deighan in nets
Cathal O'KANE at centre half forward
SEAN LEO McGoldrick at corner forward
get withe the program!!
Sorry took it from TG4 You're right
0-2 to 0-7 to Down
Derry double their score!!!
Fight
Pt from Muldoon free 0-7 to 0-3 and black eye Bradley's on
Point for ex Irish president 0-8 to 0-3
John Clarke makes it 0-9 to 0-3
C Murney on fro K McGovern
free for Down 0-10 to 0-3 J Fegan
P Downey on for John Clarke
Goal for Bad Brad!!
0-10 to 1-3
Interesting now
Is there any point catching the ball in midfield??
Sexton goes for and misses goal chance. Should have taken point?
Kevin McCloy on before goal scored for mcElhnoe
Point for Hughes excellent effort
0-11 to 1-3
Keeper stood up well. Sexton should have fisted the point
Gribben on for McKernan down
Point for Sexton. Yellow card does him no harm
0-12 to 1-3
Quote from: Estimator on January 26, 2008, 08:45:18 PM
Keeper stood up well. Sexton should have fisted the point
Those are the scores (a fisted point) that you take every time, especially when you are ahead.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 08:50:17 PM
Point for Sexton. Yellow card does him no harm
0-12 to 1-3
Point for Bad Brad
0-12 to 1-4 62 mins gone
Down respond with a goal!! Conor gribben
1-12 to 1-4
I think Down might win this one
What a goal!
Ronan Murtagh on for Magee 66 mins
Pt for Eoin Bradley
1-12 to 1-5 2mins added 69 mins gone
Another one for Eoin GAME OVER 1-12 to 1-6.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 08:59:40 PM
Pt for Eoin Bradley
1-12 to 1-5 2mins added 69 mins gone
Another one for Eoin GAME OVER 1-12 to 1-6.
I thought TG4.tv was live? You've had the last 2 updates before they happened on my computer!
Where could i get 30 cheap sleeping bags?
Danny Hughes Man of Match
Presentation delayed.....................Come on Mickey you have to hand it over. You can't keep it for ever. :'(
Ulster will be difficult to win this year with little enough between Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Down, Donegal and Monaghan. Shows how handy Kerry have it in Munster – even handier than usual this year.
Derry awful but can't judge a lot on just that one match. The league will give a much better picture of where most sides are at. Have Down been training since October? By god it shows! Most of their lads were flying from start to finish and even with a few mins to go Hughes burnt 2 Derry players in a 50 yard run down the field, he was awesome tonight! Down look very hungry and I would fancy them for promotion this year.
I know it's only January and blah blah but this Down side were as fit and as hungry as I've seen from a Mourne team in a decade.
Down were back training in October,
Derry started back training in Mid December
and it showed,Huge difference in Levels of fitness
Down looked awesome and very fit,but im afraid its going to catch up with the Mourne Men later on in the year and other teams will be far sharper and energetic come championship time.
Tipping them for Ulster right now is ridiculous.
Watched the game on TG4. Well played Down. They played some lovely football going forward and their defence was fairly solid. Better team won but it is only January.
Quote from: Estimator on January 26, 2008, 08:41:37 PM
Is there any point catching the ball in midfield??
Terrific point. One of the skills of our game is being wiped away. When a player plucks the ball out of the sky more often than not he is surrounded by the opposition and generally gets blown up for over carrying. Had this discussion before and a compromise suggestion being introducing the mark rule from a kick out??? I think it would be a great rule to introduce.
It's amazing how long it took for Liam Doyle to play CHB for Down. He is a different player there
Disappointing performance from Derry. Poor shooting in the first half bate us. Roll on the NFL.
I think we were maybe getting a bit carried away a hiding like that will hopefully waken a few boys up for the Mayo match... season starts next Saturday!
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2008, 09:50:00 PM
I know it's only January and blah blah but this Down side were as fit and as hungry as I've seen from a Mourne team in a decade.
Agree with you there! They appear to be doing and saying the right things and they have a freshness about them. Like all the good Down sides in the past if they continue to improve under their current management they might just prove difficult to beat as the year progresses.
How did Benny play ;)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 26, 2008, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2008, 09:50:00 PM
I know it's only January and blah blah but this Down side were as fit and as hungry as I've seen from a Mourne team in a decade.
Agree with you there. They appear to be doing and saying the right things and they have a freshness about them. Like all the good Down sides in the past if they continue to improve under their current management they might just prove difficult to beat as the year progresses.
I agree. I watched them tonight in Casement and was very impressed with them
PSNI were operating a speed camera on the motorway last night , no doubt trying to nab motorists on their way to CasementPark ,this would hardly happen in Cavan, Omagh, Newry, orClones , while at the venue , after enduring a long delay at one of the turnstiles, spectators were then told by the operator he had no change , but that they could go to another turnstile, no change for such an important game, but again this is the body that managed to lose the entire takings for the Monaghan v Derry tie last summer. Abody that then had the audacity to award the man who lost this money, an award at the Ulster gaa dinner in November , incompetance still runs rife in the Ulster council
Quote from: dundrumite on January 26, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 26, 2008, 08:41:37 PM
Is there any point catching the ball in midfield??
Terrific point. One of the skills of our game is being wiped away. When a player plucks the ball out of the sky more often than not he is surrounded by the opposition and generally gets blown up for over carrying. Had this discussion before and a compromise suggestion being introducing the mark rule from a kick out??? I think it would be a great rule to introduce.
As far as I can see Gordon is of the few midfielders who cannot move when he hits the ground, he lands static explaining why he getting surrounded so often by the opposing team. There are not many other midfielders playing who get tied up after making a great catch, so i don't think we need to change the rules to help one player who lands statically instead of landing on the move,i.e. Fergal Doherty, I have never seen him being bottled up after a catch in my life time watching him
Quote from: KIDDO on January 27, 2008, 12:50:55 AM
PSNI were operating a speed camera on the motorway last night , no doubt trying to nab motorists on their way to CasementPark ,this would hardly happen in Cavan, Omagh, Newry, orClones , while at the venue , after enduring a long delay at one of the turnstiles, spectators were then told by the operator he had no change , but that they could go to another turnstile, no change for such an important game, but again this is the body that managed to lose the entire takings for the Monaghan v Derry tie last summer. Abody that then had the audacity to award the man who lost this money, an award at the Ulster gaa dinner in November , incompetance still runs rife in the Ulster council
Thats an awful mouthful...how can one man who got a kicking, doing what he was asked to do by the ulster council have so little respect from KIDDO...twat. It was the Ulster council systems that were to blame. Asking one man to transport £20,000 odd thoausand in the back of his car, an excerise that was routinely done after games in the north shows how stupid some of the peole we have running our games.
QuotePSNI were operating a speed camera on the motorway last night , no doubt trying to nab motorists on their way to CasementPark
What's the problem with this, exactly? is it OK for people going to Casement to speed in a way that it is not OK if they are going to work, going to the cinema etc.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2008, 12:46:20 PM
QuotePSNI were operating a speed camera on the motorway last night , no doubt trying to nab motorists on their way to CasementPark
What's the problem with this, exactly? is it OK for people going to Casement to speed in a way that it is not OK if they are going to work, going to the cinema etc.
Exactly - well said. And a touch of paranoia from the first poster perhaps. Surely the police have speed cameras out every Saturday night, no?
Dwon were brilliant last night and fair dues to them - but I think the captain went over baord a wee bit with the speech - don't get carried away with the win -
But again fair dues to them.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 27, 2008, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 26, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 26, 2008, 08:41:37 PM
Is there any point catching the ball in midfield??
Terrific point. One of the skills of our game is being wiped away. When a player plucks the ball out of the sky more often than not he is surrounded by the opposition and generally gets blown up for over carrying. Had this discussion before and a compromise suggestion being introducing the mark rule from a kick out??? I think it would be a great rule to introduce.
As far as I can see Gordon is of the few midfielders who cannot move when he hits the ground, he lands static explaining why he getting surrounded so often by the opposing team. There are not many other midfielders playing who get tied up after making a great catch, so i don't think we need to change the rules to help one player who lands statically instead of landing on the move,i.e. Fergal Doherty, I have never seen him being bottled up after a catch in my life time watching him
I think your slightly off the mark (excuse the pun ) here Max, It happens up and down the country at all levels off football where a player maks a catch, and upon landing either has his momentum halted by being pushed back or as you say gets surrounded by landing static. Either way one of the finer skills of gaelic football almost being punished. Added to this the introduction of a mark rule may see teams trying to concentrate on catching kickouts as opposed to stopping the opposition from catching. Just a suggestion I feel that may be worth a try
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
I think we were maybe getting a bit carried away a hiding like that will hopefully waken a few boys up for the Mayo match... season starts next Saturday!
Additionally screenexile, you're talkin about a far from full strength Derry side (as you'd probably expect for mckenna cup). With Doc, Sean Marty, Mc cloy from the start, mark Lynch, Michael Mc Goldrick, G O Kane, big Diver etc they're a completely different proposition. I'd be happy for them just to stay in Div 1. Any word on Paul cartin? is he back on the panel? I thought he was big loss last year.
The 2008 McKenna Cup Final can now be watched on the following link:
http://www.tg4.ie
Once watchin it was quite enough thank you
Quote from: jodyb on January 27, 2008, 04:52:26 PM
Once watchin it was quite enough thank you
Now if you're a Down fan Jodyb :D
Derry with their starting back six will be very difficult to break down - I thought young Enda Lynn was playing ok but was taken off early on - others who didn't seem to be doing that well were kept on - any thoughts ?? Derry's forwards looked very lightweight last night -
Quote from: Leo on January 25, 2008, 10:01:08 AM
Quote from: ExiledGael on January 24, 2008, 11:38:07 PM
Cameras all lined up at the back of the stand beside press box. Looks like a good enough facility on the opposite side of the firld in Omagh.
IF they had any interest in the real promotion of our games, or IF the GAA would use their brains and order them to do so, it would surely have been possible to film from that side of the ground and show the few thousand that attended as well.
I wrote to TG4 about this lat year and got a wooly reply about resources etc.
Three recet games at Esler Park where the purpose built gantry opposite the stand is has power, ducting etc in place - unused because aan amateur camera crew want to be beside their mates from the print media in the press box.
My main point is that the GAA are at fault.
Credit where it's due Leo. TG4 walked across the pitch to broadcast the final with the crowd in the background - something beyond the UTV cameras tonight ::) Maybe your letter had the desired effect.
Quote from: dundrumite on January 26, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 26, 2008, 08:41:37 PM
Is there any point catching the ball in midfield??
Terrific point. One of the skills of our game is being wiped away. When a player plucks the ball out of the sky more often than not he is surrounded by the opposition and generally gets blown up for over carrying. Had this discussion before and a compromise suggestion being introducing the mark rule from a kick out??? I think it would be a great rule to introduce.
I have been banging on about this for years and cant understand why team managers as a group or some of the GAA "think tanks" dont address it properly.
First of all in most of the incidents you will see immediate and constant physical contact with the player as he comes to ground and forcing him into an unplayable situation. This a foul on the player in possession.
Secondly it doesnt take a mark to be introduced - a simple common sense approach from referees giving a player who fields a ball above his head a fair opportunity to play it once he comes to ground. If he overstes this then penalise but give the poor bugger a fighting chance and stop the ugly mauling that he is currently subjected to.
If I was Donal Gordon I would prefer the full forward role!
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That goal for Down was great, although Im sure Downey was going for a point. McCloy gave yer man a right ol hit just before it.
Carr wants wheels to keep moving
Dr McKenna Cup final: Down 1-12 Derry 1-6
From Brendan Crossan at Casement Park
28/01/08
ROSS Carr has challenged his players to build on last Saturday night's Dr McKenna Cup victory and aim for promotion from Division Three this season. The Down boss wasn't getting carried away with the county's first piece of silverware at senior level since their last Dr McKenna Cup success in 1998. "Time will tell how significant this is," Carr said afterwards. "The players have a decision to make now. People put too much emphasis on managers and trainers - it's really a mindset the players take on themselves. "If the players are satisfied and want to get to their Christmas parties in November and December of this year and celebrate a McKenna Cup win, then fair play to them. "If they have the right mindset, they'll try and build on it. They'll keep going in training and with the hard work we'll see where it takes them." Down routed Derry with six points to spare during Saturday night's absorbing McKenna decider with man-of-the-match Daniel Hughes top-scoring with four points. Substitute Conor Gribben grabbed a late goal for the Mournemen to cancel out Paddy Bradley's three-pointer earlier in the second period. Carr added: "The more we keep working, I think the more results like that we'll get. Whether that constitutes winning something at the end of the year. There's only a couple of competitions you can win, of course. You can win your National League, an Ulster title or the Sam Maguire."We're not at that level yet, but we have to look seriously at the National League and hopefully come out of Division Three."Down's emphatic six-point win over a disappointing Derry side also provided Oak Leaf boss Paddy Crozier with food for thought ahead of their NFL opener against Mayo next weekend. "We were hammered," said the Ballymaguigan man. "Maybe we're not as good as we thought we were."
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/2008/1/597/5776/578645_334830035026Carrwants.html
Dr McKenna Cup final: Down 1-12 Derry 1-6
From Brendan Crossan at Casement Park
28/01/08
Players are driving us forward: Carr
DAN Gordon walked through the well-wishers and press reporters underneath Casement Park's main stand with the Dr McKenna Cup down by his side. It was almost as if the Down skipper was trying to conceal the silverware he had just collected.
Its market value may be rising with each passing year, but it's still the McKenna Cup. We're not talking about a National League or
There were no clenched fists or mad celebratory cheers from the winners, but still you could tell Gordon was proud as punch; not so much with the modest piece of silverware, but the manner of his team's victory and the feeling that maybe this group of players can do the county proud this year.Manager Ross Carr re-emerged from the winners' enclosure showered, changed and business-like about Down's six-point win.
"We're still making silly mistakes and putting ourselves under pressure. But the mistakes we're making are through genuine endeavour rather than laziness," said Carr.The Clonduff clubman downplayed his and DJ's role in Down's mini-revival and instead pointed to a culture change within the panel. "When new players come in they can come into a team set-up where the work ethic is wrong, the culture is lazy and they get swallowed up by that. The new fellas that have come in are following a great example set by the older players, and it's easier to bed into that kind of culture, especially when they see hard work paying dividends."
Last season, Down went through the McKenna Cup and League without a win. Carr added: "Obviously last year we weren't put in the job until late October and we had to use parts of December, January and February to trial players, and some of those games happened to be in the McKenna Cup and National League."We were probably a wee bit naive thinking we could pick up enough points and stay in Division Two. We set our stall out at the start of this year to get the boys as fit as we could because our season starts in February - not in the summer."If we have a good spring, then we can go to Omagh [to face Tyrone in the Ulster Championship] hoping to put up a good show. If we've a bad spring, there's no point in us going."
At the other end of the corridor, Derry boss Paddy Crozier pulled no punches."We were completely over-run," said Crozier. "Down showed more hunger than us, they're really flying and peaking at the minute. We looked very, very lethargic. A six-point win doesn't do Down justice. It feels more like a 12-point hammering. You don't get a hammering like that and not learn from it."
While Crozier was delighted to see Enda Muldoon, Kevin McCloy and Paul Murphy back in action, he believed there was a lot of work to do between now and next weekend."It's better happening here now instead of next Saturday night in Celtic Park in the League. We'll go back to the drawing board on Tuesday night and get ready for Mayo next Saturday night."
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/2008/1/597/5776/578660_334847394601Playersar.html
Players are driving us forward: Carr
Carr wants wheels to keep moving
If you ask me Carr's team never got out of third gear. The second half rally from Derry never materialised. Carr had his team well marshalled.......Carr steers Down to McKenna Cup victory.....Carr's Down back on the road again....Carr's team motoring in the McKenna Cup......
And one of these days it'll be "Carr Gets The Boot!"
Or this one some time in june probably.
"Carr Sick"
I didnt see the match yet (may catch it if it is repeated on setanta later on the week)
Surprised at the result as i think Derry are real contenders for the provincial title this year. However, Down aer a decent side. They could have beaten Monaghan in the championship last year handy enough but for goals scored for Monaghan at critical times.
What Down must to do this year is if they fall in Ulster, they must at least make a good stab at the qualifiers. The last number of years performances in the qualifiers has been shambolic.
Quote from: dundrumite on January 26, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
When a player plucks the ball out of the sky more often than not he is surrounded by the opposition and generally gets blown up for over carrying.
As soon as you hit the ground after a catch you should be running.
You start running and I guarantee you'll have a yard on the people around you.
A great point. Fielding technique is something we could learn from Aussie football. You seldom see an Aussie player standing under the ball trying to make a mark. They start a run from 10-15 yards from where the ball will come down and generally take it with flying forward momentum. That's how Gaelic Footballers should be coached to do it. It's ironic that the Aussies, who don't need to do it (because they get a free mark) do it, while we who could benefit from it don't.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 28, 2008, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 26, 2008, 10:00:11 PM
When a player plucks the ball out of the sky more often than not he is surrounded by the opposition and generally gets blown up for over carrying.
As soon as you hit the ground after a catch you should be running.
You start running and I guarantee you'll have a yard on the people around you.
Watch it again. The fielder is immediately bottled by players who are already on the ground - no need to challenge in the air when you can maul on the ground - as a tactic its simple - crowd the midfield and spoil the fielder who is prevented from any movement forward or otherwise (and wait for the non-playing spectators to blame the person who showed the skill!).
Quote from: Hardy on January 28, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
A great point. Fielding technique is something we could learn from Aussie football. You seldom see an Aussie player standing under the ball trying to make a mark. They start a run from 10-15 yards from where the ball will come down and generally take it with flying forward momentum. That's how Gaelic Footballers should be coached to do it. It's ironic that the Aussies, who don't need to do it (because they get a free mark) do it, while we who could benefit from it don't.
The oval ball is hung up in the air allowing players to come forward on to it. It's a totally different skill in a totally different game and one of the reasons the bastardised inter rules will never work. If we import this idea from Aussie then you must import the mark with it and settle for even more stop-start in our game - desperate idea that would be.
Quote from: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 28, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
A great point. Fielding technique is something we could learn from Aussie football. You seldom see an Aussie player standing under the ball trying to make a mark. They start a run from 10-15 yards from where the ball will come down and generally take it with flying forward momentum. That's how Gaelic Footballers should be coached to do it. It's ironic that the Aussies, who don't need to do it (because they get a free mark) do it, while we who could benefit from it don't.
The oval ball is hung up in the air allowing players to come forward on to it. It's a totally different skill in a totally different game and one of the reasons the bastardised inter rules will never work. If we import this idea from Aussie then you must import the mark with it and settle for even more stop-start in our game - desperate idea that would be.
Correct again Leo. And another reason that the Aussies start a run to field the ball with forward momentum is because their game allows them to raise their feet above shoulder height. If a player did that in Gaelic Football he would also be punished by the referee. No win. Which brings us back to the point that it is the referee interpretation that needs to be improved.
Quote from: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:12:54 PM
The oval ball is hung up in the air allowing players to come forward on to it. It's a totally different skill in a totally different game
With due respect, the laws of physics don't allow for any ball of any shape "hanging up" in the air. With due allowance for the (infinitesimal) effect that the difference in air resistance between the two types of ball would have, both balls obey the law of gravity and fall to earth at the same rate. What will make a difference is the trajectory of the kick and it's true that GAA kickouts often have a lower trajectory than the shy-high kicking of Aussie players.
But it's the same skill and there's nothing preventing a GAA player giving himself the advantage of momentum by running to the point of the catch instead of standing under it. Mick O'Connell is the best example I can remember of a player who did this regularly.
I see no logic at all in the assertion that players improving their catching technique in this way would necessitate the introduction of the "mark" rule. All I'm pointing out is that a player arriving with momentum will jump at least as high (I would have thought higher, but AZoffaly told me here one time that that's not the case as he proved by experiment). But the big advantage, in my opinion, is that it gives him a much better chance, having taken the ball, of clearing through the group of players standing under it, hitting the ground running and being gone before he can be bottled up. And if he is interfered with, it's more likely to be an obvious foul.
And I don't see any problem with raising your feet above shoulder height as long as you don't foul anybody while doing it. The problem is, you'd want to be some athlete to gain that sort of height. The Aussies do it by levering themselves up on the backs of opponents. That would be a foul in GAA (though I think it's spectacular and would be great if it was allowed in our game).
Hardy your point is well made. However every player has a different technique. Your post is based on "what if a player changed their technique?" idea. This discussion started by posters wondering why, more than one great and legal catch which was made by Dan Gordan during the game, and was penalised because the referee ignored the illegal attention of his opponents and only concentrated on what Dan would do in the scenario he found himself in.
Do you agree that a 2 or 3 hand tackle is not allowed under current rules and should have been penalised before Mr. Gordan was blown for over carrying?
Certainly. I'm not disputing the original suggestion that refereeing interpretations ought to favor the man coming down with the ball.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2008, 12:38:43 PM
Certainly. I'm not disputing the original suggestion that refereeing interpretations ought to favor the man coming down with the ball.
Well we can arue all day about physics tecniques auddie rules and semantics but on this one point it appears we are (quite corrcetly) in agreement and its time the looney faction of the GAA (ie referees committee) took notice.
Quote from: Hardy on January 28, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
A great point. Fielding technique is something we could learn from Aussie football. You seldom see an Aussie player standing under the ball trying to make a mark. They start a run from 10-15 yards from where the ball will come down and generally take it with flying forward momentum. That's how Gaelic Footballers should be coached to do it. It's ironic that the Aussies, who don't need to do it (because they get a free mark) do it, while we who could benefit from it don't.
But what if the ball is coming right right to where you're standing? The player is not going to be able to run back 10 yards and then forwards again to get a bit of momentum.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2008, 12:38:43 PM
Certainly. I'm not disputing the original suggestion that refereeing interpretations ought to favor the man coming down with the ball.
Agreed. Have to give the man catching a bit of leeway if we are to protect what is probably the greatest skill in our game.
Quote from: Rav67 on January 29, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 28, 2008, 04:04:23 PM
A great point. Fielding technique is something we could learn from Aussie football. You seldom see an Aussie player standing under the ball trying to make a mark. They start a run from 10-15 yards from where the ball will come down and generally take it with flying forward momentum. That's how Gaelic Footballers should be coached to do it. It's ironic that the Aussies, who don't need to do it (because they get a free mark) do it, while we who could benefit from it don't.
But what if the ball is coming right right to where you're standing? The player is not going to be able to run back 10 yards and then forwards again to get a bit of momentum.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2008, 12:38:43 PM
Certainly. I'm not disputing the original suggestion that refereeing interpretations ought to favor the man coming down with the ball.
Agreed. Have to give the man catching a bit of leeway if we are to protect what is probably the greatest skill in our game.
This guy seems to land stationary? Do you think this is the wrong technique?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40855000/gif/_40855554_catch_acad_anim.gif)
Yip! He's catching the ball too far behind himself and he isn't catching the ball at his highest point!
Rav, I'm not saying it's the only way to do it. I'm saying it's the preferred way. Sure sometimes you'd have to back-pedal and try to catch it. It's just that, for a kickout, players judge where they expect the ball to fall, adjust and re-adjust and end up standing under it, clustered like ducks looking up into a tree. It would be just as easy to position yourself ten yards away from there (not hard - just look at where the other lads are :)) and time your run from there.
never kickt a ball - I agree with screenexile. He runs too far under the ball and has to reach back.
If you ever see old clips of Mick O'Connell in action you'll see what I'm on about. He'd often catch the ball running forward, taking it slightly more in front of himself than straight above and would land running.
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2008, 11:52:49 AMAnd I don't see any problem with raising your feet above shoulder height as long as you don't foul anybody while doing it. The problem is, you'd want to be some athlete to gain that sort of height. The Aussies do it by levering themselves up on the backs of opponents. That would be a foul in GAA (though I think it's spectacular and would be great if it was allowed in our game).
See the Brick Walshs catch against Cork in the replay last year for an example of this, an exception to the norm unfortunately. Was sitting right in front of it, telly didn't do it justice...
There was uproar in Kerry in the 60's when Down briought an extra man into midfield to counter Mick O'Connell - it worked too!
So is it ironic then, that Dan Gordan suffered on Saturday night from a tactic introduced by his predecessors? ;D ;D
I am not old enough to have witnessed those greats, but I hope they were not allowed to foul against the legend in the way that 3 hand tackles were allowed against Dan Gordan on Saturday night 8)
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
Rav, I'm not saying it's the only way to do it. I'm saying it's the preferred way. Sure sometimes you'd have to back-pedal and try to catch it. It's just that, for a kickout, players judge where they expect the ball to fall, adjust and re-adjust and end up standing under it, clustered like ducks looking up into a tree. It would be just as easy to position yourself ten yards away from there (not hard - just look at where the other lads are :)) and time your run from there.
never kickt a ball - I agree with screenexile. He runs too far under the ball and has to reach back.
If you ever see old clips of Mick O'Connell in action you'll see what I'm on about. He'd often catch the ball running forward, taking it slightly more in front of himself than straight above and would land running.
Quote from: Leo on January 29, 2008, 10:36:06 PM
There was uproar in Kerry in the 60's when Down briought an extra man into midfield to counter Mick O'Connell - it worked too!
Some good clean fielding here chaps?(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44401000/jpg/_44401251_nfl1.jpg)
Winter football at its best ! ;) :D
john hayes style lifting required.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 03, 2008, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: Hardy on January 29, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
Rav, I'm not saying it's the only way to do it. I'm saying it's the preferred way. Sure sometimes you'd have to back-pedal and try to catch it. It's just that, for a kickout, players judge where they expect the ball to fall, adjust and re-adjust and end up standing under it, clustered like ducks looking up into a tree. It would be just as easy to position yourself ten yards away from there (not hard - just look at where the other lads are :)) and time your run from there.
never kickt a ball - I agree with screenexile. He runs too far under the ball and has to reach back.
If you ever see old clips of Mick O'Connell in action you'll see what I'm on about. He'd often catch the ball running forward, taking it slightly more in front of himself than straight above and would land running.
Quote from: Leo on January 29, 2008, 10:36:06 PM
There was uproar in Kerry in the 60's when Down briought an extra man into midfield to counter Mick O'Connell - it worked too!
Some good clean fielding here chaps?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44401000/jpg/_44401251_nfl1.jpg)
Quote from: Leo on January 29, 2008, 10:36:06 PM
There was uproar in Kerry in the 60's when Down briought an extra man into midfield to counter Mick O'Connell - it worked too!
Paddy Heaney addresses this (the skill of fielding) today in the Irish News. Can anyone post it please?
Art of high fielding cast aside in era of pragmatist Against the Breeze
By Paddy Heaney
19/02/08
Catch 22: When the photograph on this page first appeared in print two weeks ago it made me cringe. And if you're a typical fan of gaelic football, the sight of an eight-man mass scrum in the middle of the field will probably make you feel slightly uneasy as well.
When the photograph on this page first appeared in print two weeks ago it made me cringe.
And if you're a typical fan of gaelic football, the sight of an eight-man mass scrum in the middle of the field will probably make you feel slightly uneasy as well.
This is what has become of the once glorious midfield battle. It has descended into an unsightly tag-team wrestling match.
Gone are the days when a few players contested a booming kick-out and clean catches were fairly common.
The midfield orgy in Ballybofey between Donegal and Kerry is the norm, not the exception. On the same night, I was in Healy Park to watch Tyrone play Kildare.
For the kick-outs, Lilywhites boss Kieran McGeeney deployed two forwards in the centre of the park. Afterwards McGeeney referred to the "midfield eight''.
As a former Armagh player, McGeeney is keenly aware that winning clean catches against Tyrone doesn't guarantee success in the overall duel for possession. In the 2005 All-Ireland semi-final Armagh won 11 of the game's first 12 kick-outs - but Tyrone turned over possession from eight of those.
Red Hands manager Mickey Harte has exposed much of the mythology that surrounded the midfield battle. Harte was quick to realise that while a soaring leap and fetch by Darragh O Se won the headlines, it was no more effective than Brian Dooher bursting through a posse of players to win an unglamorous breaking ball.
It's the battle for dirty ball and the ability to avoid turnovers which really dictates the territorial battle. And this is why kick-outs are now contested by half a dozen players in a chaotic melee. Winning a clean catch can actually be a disadvantage because it's easy for the opposition to surround the player with the ball and get him penalised for over-carrying.
Let me make it clear that I'm not blaming Mickey Harte for the demise of the clean catch. Like all top managers, Harte devised a gameplan around the resources at his disposal.
In the absence of a Kevin Walsh or John McDermott, Harte placed a premium on crowding midfield, effective tackling and winning loose ball.
Like the overwhelming majority of first-class managers, Harte is a pragmatist to the bone. The business of winning is more important than any regard for the beauty of the game.
Joe Kernan was exactly the same. Kernan placed a huge emphasis on the defensive formation of his team. When Armagh were in their pomp, they rarely conceded a goal, and most teams were restricted to about 10 points.
Kerry, as we know, largely copied the Tyrone and Armagh blueprint, and this has resulted in the majority of counties now playing a similar brand of football.
The blanket defence is standard practice. Half-forwards who spend most of the match defending are commonplace. A match with only one or two clean catches is par for the course.
These conservative gameplans, where the onus is placed on defence, are making gaelic football a much uglier and less inspiring spectacle.
Managers cannot be blamed, because they will always put results first and the fans' value for money a very distant second. Crossmaglen, Armagh, Tyrone, and Kerry have proved beyond question that the system works.
In this regard, gaelic football managers are no different from their soccer counterparts. The Republic of Ireland and England have just hired the services of two Italians, Fabio Capello and Giovanni Trapattoni, who prefer to play cautious, risk-free football.
The really incredible difference between the two codes is that soccer fans are far more concerned about the aesthetics of their game.
While the English FA and FAI were warmly applauded for securing the services of Capello and 'Il Trap', it was interesting to note that many soccer writers were quick to express reservations about the formulaic style of play used by the Italian pair.
These journalists were merely reflecting the views of the public. Newcastle fans effectively got rid of Sam Allardyce because they disliked the way the Magpies played under his brief reign.
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich dispensed with Jose Mourinho because, we can only
presume, he got bored watching his own expensively-assembled team.
Real Madrid trumped everyone. They dispensed with the careful Capello - even though he guided them to the Spanish league title.
Imagine Tyrone fans calling for the head of Mickey Harte in the wake of the accusations of 'puke football' in 2003.
We Irish men must be the most practical sports fans in the world. Results are all we really care about.
Eamon Dunphy was vilified when he made the entirely accurate observation that Ireland's success under Jack Charlton was enjoyed by only the inhabitants of this island because we were the only people who could bear to watch the team.
Beyond these shores, the pressure exerted from fans, chairmen, and the media means there is always a responsibility on soccer managers to produce sides that play entertaining football.
Despite these pressures, those smart managers in their tailored-suits still tend to prefer their teams to take a safety-first approach. To guard against these defensive policies, FIFA has
continually changed its rules to reward attacking play.
In the past 20 years, they've stopped goalkeepers handling back-passes, banned the tackle from behind, and changed the offside law so that it greatly favours the attacker.
The GAA has made similar strides, but it's time to act again if we want to maintain some of the traditional values and thrills of gaelic football.
The GAA is now a few steps behind its brainy bainisteoiri. Gaelic football needs more goals, more clean catches, and more incentives for the football manager who dares to win, rather than those who fear to lose.
The high catch at midfield is now in danger of becoming extinct.
A new rule that would allow the likes of Dan Gordon to take four clean steps once he lands would help to protect this dying art.
The square ball, a ridiculous and utterly unenforceable rule, needs to be banned. If umpires have difficulty telling the difference between a wide and a point, how can they possibly judge if a player enters the square before the ball?
The penalty spot could also be moved to just 10 metres from the goal instead of 13. How often is a clear goal denied by conceding a penalty which is then missed?
The goalposts could also be made wider, thereby increasing the number of times the net would be rattled in a game.
Whether it's George Graham or Brian McIver, Jose Mourinho or Mickey Harte, Fabio Capello or Pat O'Shea, those wily men on the
sideline will always devise methods which, although beneficial to their team, will not necessarily enhance the game as a spectacle.
If the GAA fails to catch up with the managers we can all look forward to watching more majestic scenes like the one pictured above.
Brian McGuigan's interview after the Laois match
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_7300000/newsid_7300200/7300209.stm?bw=bb&mp=rm&news=1&bbcws=1
Next up for the All Ireland Champions is the McKenna Cup. Roll on January 2009! Wonder will Mickey pick any students this year?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on September 24, 2008, 11:19:34 PM
Next up for the All Ireland Champions is the McKenna Cup. Roll on January 2009! Wonder will Mickey pick any students this year?
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Wonder will the beards still be there ?
Joe McMahon says he's keeping us until Tyrone next lose.
I know one man that will be looking forward to it.... SON will have a point to prove. God help any corner backs that are given a chance to impress and Stevie walks out :D :D
Will Stevie O`Neill bother with something as insignificant as the McKenna cup or will he wait to see if Tyrone make it to an All Ireland final before deciding to play in 2009. Surely the McKenna cup is beneath the team of the decade?
Dry up!
Interesting that this discussion is revived... since the current McKenna Cup champions are the only team to have beaten the current All-Ireland champions in the championship this year 8)
Quote from: western exile on September 25, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Interesting that this discussion is revived... since the current McKenna Cup champions are the only team to have beaten the current All-Ireland champions in the championship this year 8)
If you hadn't posted that western exile I was going to ;D
Quote from: downgirl on September 25, 2008, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 25, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Interesting that this discussion is revived... since the current McKenna Cup champions are the only team to have beaten the current All-Ireland champions in the championship this year 8)
If you hadn't posted that western exile I was going to ;D
And Monaghan had that distinction in 2003 (beating Tyrone in the McKenna Cup that is). Canavan praised them on his way through Monaghan with Sam. So WELL DONE Down!!! And while we are at it WELL DONE to the Ulster champions Armagh.
I think doubly WELL DONE to Armagh who beat the McKenna cup champions who beat the All Ireland champions. Also for beating the team that removed Monaghan and Derry from the Ulster championship.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 25, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
I think doubly WELL DONE to Armagh who beat the McKenna cup champions who beat the All Ireland champions. Also for beating the team that removed Monaghan and Derry from the Ulster championship.
However, Armaghniac, the team who beat the McKenna Cup Champions who beat the All Ireland champions and who beat the team that removed Monaghan and Derry from the Ulster championship were beaten by Wexford. Now remind me who removed Wexford from the Championship......... 8)
QuoteNow remind me who removed Wexford from the Chanpionship.
Try and keep up never kickt a ball, perhaps you have never kicked a ball but you can watch the games on TV.
The official draw and launch of the 2009 Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup.
Date: Tuesday 11th November 2008
Time: 6.15pm
Venue: Armagh City Hotel, Armagh
85 pages ioon this!!!!!!!!!!! are ya wise
Tyrone will field a weaker team for their opening game in the Mckenna cup due to their team holiday in Florida , Dec30th2008 , to Jan 7th2009.
A quality line-up featuring all the major title-holders at national level
from this year is set to ensure that the 2009 Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup is
better than ever.
The All-Ireland Champions, Tyrone, will be joined by National League
kingpins, Derry and Ulster winners, Armagh in the draw which takes place at
the launch of the competition next week.
Gaelic Life, Ulster's only weekly newspaper dedicated exclusively to
coverage of Gaelic games, will sponsor the Dr McKenna Cup for the third year
running.
It is once again expected to provide a first insight into the prospects of
both the counties and Universities for the season ahead. Last year Down
captured the title and set the scene for a year of sustained progress.
Also in the draw will be the university teams from Queen's, Jordanstown and
St Mary's.
Ulster GAA President, Tom Daly, said the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup had
grown in strength since being re-established to mark the Centenary
celebrations of the GAA in the province in 2003.
"The competition has a proven to be extremely popular both among the
competing teams and followers. It is relished by all concerned as an
important start to the forthcoming season," he said.
"One of the innovations has been the number of matches played under
floodlights. This has been facilitated by the Ulster Council's modernisation
programme and means that the competition can be completed in the designated
timeframe.
"We are also currently finalising arrangements for live TV coverage on TG4
and are anticipating that quite a number of games will be featured."
Tom Daly finished by stating, "The Ulster Council is absolutely delighted
that Gaelic Life has continued it's sponsorship of the Dr McKenna Cup for
2009 and this reinforces the positive and mutually beneficial relationship
with the team at NWIPP.
Maurice Kennedy, Editor of Gaelic Life, spoke of his pride that the paper is
putting its name to the competition for a third year.
"This is the third year that Gaelic Life has sponsored the Dr McKenna Cup
and we are very proud to put our name to the competition. After such a
successful year for Ulster teams in league and championship it will give us
all an early indication of what to expect in the year ahead.
"Interest in the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup has never been greater and the
involvement of the three northern universities has given the competition a
big lift. For players, managers and fans the competition marks the start of
a new year in GAA and serves as a valuable prelude to league and
championship action.
"Gaelic Life will be providing extensive coverage of the entire Dr McKenna
Cup campaign and will also be launching a new fantasy football competition
from the start of the year right through to the All-Ireland championship.
The schedule of fixtures for each of the groups and the dates for the live
televised matches for the competition will be decided by the Ulster Council
GAA Competition Control Committee later this month.
Sure what does he know.
The Mc Kenna's wont even watch this crap lol:)
Quote from: bigfrank on November 09, 2008, 06:23:48 PM
The Mc Kenna's wont even watch this crap lol:)
You should work for the Gaelic Life BF. Three separate journalists told this "joke" in one edition of the Gaelic life a few years ago.
Down draw Tyrone in McKenna Cup
Holders Down will face All-Ireland champions Tyrone in the group stage of next year's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.
Group B will also feature Monaghan and St Mary's College while Group A sees National League champions Derry facing Fermanagh, Donegal and UUJ.
Group C will pit Ulster Champions Armagh against Cavan, Antrim and QUB.
The semi-finals will see the Group A winners facing the best runner-up while with the Group B and C table toppers meeting in the other last-four clash.
Speaking after Tuesday evening's draw at the Armagh City Hotel, Ulster GAA president Tom Daly said that the competition had "proven to be extremely popular both among the competing teams and followers".
"It is relished by all concerned as an important start to the forthcoming season," said the Ulster official.
"One of the innovations has been the number of matches played under floodlights.
"This has been facilitated by the Ulster Council's modernisation programme and means that the competition can be completed in the designated timeframe."
The schedule of fixtures and dates for games will be decided by the Ulster Council GAA Competition Control later this month.
Down defeated Derry 1-12 to 1-6 in this year's decider on 26 January.
Group A : Fermanagh, Derry, Jordanstown, Donegal
Group B : Tyrone, Monaghan, Down, St Mary's
Group C : Armagh, Queen's, Cavan, Antrim.
Semi-finals : Group A winners v Best runners up; Group B winners v Group C winners.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7723362.stm
Published: 2008/11/11 20:37:50 GMT
© BBC MMVIII
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 10, 2008, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 09, 2008, 06:23:48 PM
The Mc Kenna's wont even watch this crap lol:)
You should work for the Gaelic Life BF. Three separate journalists told this "joke" in one edition of the Gaelic life a few years ago.
It pre-dates even Gaelic Life.
Interesting groupings. Armagh should top Group C, but Group B is a real bitch.
Ulster's big three in gaelic football have been kept apart in the group stages of the 2009 Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup.
The draw for the 2009 Gaelic Life Dr.McKenna Cup took place in front of a full house in Armagh's City Hotel.
All-Ireland Champions, Tyrone, will have to overcome last year's winners Down to make it to the semi-finals, while National League kingpins, Derry are in arguably the tightest group, with Fermanagh, Donegal and Sigerson Cup Championship University of Ulster Jordanstown.
Ulster winners, Armagh will be fancied to come out of Group C, where they play Cavan, Antrim and Queen's (Groups listed below).
The competition is once again expected to provide a first insight into the prospects of both the counties and Universities for the season ahead. Last year Down captured the title and set the scene for a year of sustained progress.
Ulster GAA President, Tom Daly, said: 'The competition has a proven to be extremely popular both among the competing teams and followers. It is relished by all concerned as an important start to the forthcoming season,' he said.
'One of the innovations has been the number of matches played under floodlights. This has been facilitated by the Ulster Council's modernisation programme and means that the competition can be completed in the designated timeframe.'
NOW THERE'S A SHOCK ! ;)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 10, 2008, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 09, 2008, 06:23:48 PM
The Mc Kenna's wont even watch this crap lol:)
You should work for the Gaelic Life BF. Three separate journalists told this "joke" in one edition of the Gaelic life a few years ago.
Gaelic life,better chance of selling ice to the eskimos than that paper to me,waste of time!!! Joe Brolly and co, wise up lads
I think its a decent enough paper.
Gaelic Life is a great GAA paper. Don't know what you're complaining about.
If I had one problem with it, it would be one of the writers. Bit of a hallion if you ask me.
:D :D
http://www.gaeliclife.com/fantasy/index.php?sid=74774&lang=en
I think that GL is a good enough read, although there is not much to talk about this time of year
Cassidy predicting college v county row
21 November 2008
New Derry football manager Damien Cassidy has warned that next year's Dr McKenna Cup could once again be overshadowed by a college versus county row.
Cassidy is unhappy with the rule that gives college sides first call on players for the pre-season competition which gets underway in early January.
"I can predict there will be difficulties because there will be situations where players will be very politely asked to play for their county," he said.
"And if they don't take up that chance in January, the window of opportunity narrows considerably."
Although the Bellaghy man has yet to finalise his panel, there are approximately 10 university players in his provisional squad.
He added: "The rule of the Dr McKenna Cup competition is that you play for your university team. But let's be frank about it, the rule is a nonsense.
"It doesn't bind in the Association's rulebook, so therefore it won't stand the test. But players do have a choice. If they want to play for their county, they will."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=103945
Is it just me that thinks it's good for a player to play for his University during McKenna Cup?
1. He is likely to play all three or more games in the competition for his University which he probably won't for county
2. He will be tested by county players in those games the same way he would for his county anyway
3. He can be watched by someone on behalf of manager in his games and could possibly be watched by manager as all games might not clash
4. County manager can take a look at other players for longer in games during Univerisity player's absence
If University teams don't have their county players it is pointless them playing in the competition. The players should not be put under this pressure.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 21, 2008, 10:30:52 PM
Cassidy predicting college v county row
21 November 2008
New Derry football manager Damien Cassidy has warned that next year's Dr McKenna Cup could once again be overshadowed by a college versus county row.
Cassidy is unhappy with the rule that gives college sides first call on players for the pre-season competition which gets underway in early January.
"I can predict there will be difficulties because there will be situations where players will be very politely asked to play for their county," he said.
"And if they don't take up that chance in January, the window of opportunity narrows considerably."
Although the Bellaghy man has yet to finalise his panel, there are approximately 10 university players in his provisional squad.
He added: "The rule of the Dr McKenna Cup competition is that you play for your university team. But let's be frank about it, the rule is a nonsense.
"It doesn't bind in the Association's rulebook, so therefore it won't stand the test. But players do have a choice. If they want to play for their county, they will."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=103945
Is that a threat? Good start to manager / player relations there Damian 8)
"Cassidy predicting college v country row" = "Cassidy to ensure college v county row"
Jesus talk about creating a row just for the sake of it. The colleges are undoubtedly a good and interesting addition to the McKenna Cup but the annual petty bitch session from Harte and now Cassidy doesn't help things. Not having a few lads, that you're only likely to give a half hour here and there anyway, for a few pre season friendlies in early January is not going to seriously affect your season ffs.
Quote from: Thastheball on November 24, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Bomber on November 21, 2008, 10:40:49 PM
Is it just me that thinks it's good for a player to play for his University during McKenna Cup?
1. He is likely to play all three or more games in the competition for his University which he probably won't for county
2. He will be tested by county players in those games the same way he would for his county anyway
3. He can be watched by someone on behalf of manager in his games and could possibly be watched by manager as all games might not clash
4. County manager can take a look at other players for longer in games during Univerisity player's absence
If University teams don't have their county players it is pointless them playing in the competition. The players should not be put under this pressure.
Aye i think its just you. So ypu think a county manager is going to go to all the matches his potential players are going to play in. plus his own games, plus his own training, never mind the behind the scenes meetings. Wake the f**k up.
The Mc kenna cup is a county competition, for county football. The prelude to this uni footballers getting into this compotetion was a s a result of the change of timing of the competition by the provincial councils to the after xmas slot. This seriously messded up the uni's opportunity to play good challenge games at that time of the year against th counties as the counties were playing in the Mc Kenna cup.
This agenda is being driven by the uni's to get meaningful games, when they already have a compo (Ryan Cup) in place to cater for their needs, and then on top of all of that the Ulster council creates this stupid rule preventing players developed by clubs from within the county from selecting its own players. What a complete load of balls.
Perhaps you should wake the f**k up! If a manager was interested in doing as well as possible in his role than he would go out of his way to see any player in action, at any time, anywhere. This is what is takes to get to the top. Ask Mickey Harte, never saw a man attend as many fixtures other than when Tyrone are involved, to help his preparation for his team to do well.
Perhaps you should read point three again, (3. He can be watched by someone on behalf of manager in his games). That's for when games clash. If a county team is playing on a Saturday night and then his college players are playing on the Sunday, he should without any question attend that college game. County managers are getting paid enough these days, it's the least he could do.
If you want to win Sam, thats what it takes, and much more!!
Quote from: Thastheball on November 24, 2008, 11:02:52 AM
Quote from: Bomber on November 24, 2008, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: Thastheball on November 24, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Bomber on November 21, 2008, 10:40:49 PM
Is it just me that thinks it's good for a player to play for his University during McKenna Cup?
1. He is likely to play all three or more games in the competition for his University which he probably won't for county
2. He will be tested by county players in those games the same way he would for his county anyway
3. He can be watched by someone on behalf of manager in his games and could possibly be watched by manager as all games might not clash
4. County manager can take a look at other players for longer in games during Univerisity player's absence
If University teams don't have their county players it is pointless them playing in the competition. The players should not be put under this pressure.
Aye i think its just you. So ypu think a county manager is going to go to all the matches his potential players are going to play in. plus his own games, plus his own training, never mind the behind the scenes meetings. Wake the f**k up.
The Mc kenna cup is a county competition, for county football. The prelude to this uni footballers getting into this compotetion was a s a result of the change of timing of the competition by the provincial councils to the after xmas slot. This seriously messded up the uni's opportunity to play good challenge games at that time of the year against th counties as the counties were playing in the Mc Kenna cup.
This agenda is being driven by the uni's to get meaningful games, when they already have a compo (Ryan Cup) in place to cater for their needs, and then on top of all of that the Ulster council creates this stupid rule preventing players developed by clubs from within the county from selecting its own players. What a complete load of balls.
Perhaps you should wake the f**k up! If a manager was interested in doing as well as possible in his role than he would go out of his way to see any player in action, at any time, anywhere. This is what is takes to get to the top. Ask Mickey Harte, never saw a man attend as many fixtures other than when Tyrone are involved, to help his preparation for his team to do well.
Perhaps you should read point three again, (3. He can be watched by someone on behalf of manager in his games). That's for when games clash. If a county team is playing on a Saturday night and then his college players are playing on the Sunday, he should without any question attend that college game. County managers are getting paid enough these days, it's the least he could do.
If you want to win Sam, thats what it takes, and much more!!
So you know what it takes to win Sam, no chance of you answering my point on the uni playing in a county compo but the counties not getting access to the players.
Bringing in the college teams added something to what was a boring old competition! What difference does it make whether he plays for his college or county team during the competition, it will still develop him as a player for when he represents his county in league or championship. Not many county teams care if they win the compeition anyway so missing players shouldn't worry them too much.
By the way I'm glad your not in charge of my county team as you wouldn't have a clue what it would take to do well!
P.S. Are you Damian Cassidy in disguise?
It's amusing to see people getting their knickers in a twist over the McKenna Cup!
However...
Quote from: Thastheball on November 24, 2008, 10:00:10 AM
The Mc kenna cup is a county competition, for county football.
The McKenna Cup is clearly now a competition for both counties and universities. You either give the Universities appropriate status in the competition, or you don't have them at all.
As it is, the Universities are in the competition and managers should respect the competition rules. Furthermore, the Ulster Council should enforce those rules and punish managers/counties who disregard them (i.e. remove that county from the competition for the year), thereby removing the pressure from the players to decide whether to go with county or university.
The universities entering the competition also allowed the Ulster Council to switch it to a round robin in the early stages to allow managers to see fringe players over the course of a few games rather than one knockout game as it was up until then. Some managers just don't seem to be able to take the McKenna Cup for what it is meant to be.
Quote from: mackers on November 24, 2008, 02:12:39 PM
The universities entering the competition also allowed the Ulster Council to switch it to a round robin in the early stages to allow managers to see fringe players over the course of a few games rather than one knockout game as it was up until then. Some managers just don't seem to be able to take the McKenna Cup for what it is meant to be.
Mackers from reading the article I dont think it just all about the Mc Keena cup.... but alot to do with how they couldn't train in Decemeber/or have challenge matches and how that would impact along with not having all their players available for the games in january . But I do take your point
Dooher to miss start of the season
Brian Dooher has been ruled out of Tyrone's Dr McKenna Cup campaign as he continues his recovery from groin surgery. The double All-Ireland winning captain recently underwent surgery on a groin problem that had been troubling him for some time, having postponed the operation until after the Red Hands' successful All-Ireland campaign. Tyrone boss Mickey Harte expressed the hope that the Clann na Gael clubman would be fit to return for the start of the National League. "It's something that had been bothering him for some time, but Brian wanted to wait until the end of the season before getting it attended to, which is what has happened," he said. "The surgery is getting better. It would have been much more severe some time back but the ability to deal with it now, the new procedures, we're hoping will reduce the rehab time. "This will rule Brian out of the McKenna Cup completely, and until he gets fully over that then he won't be used."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=104203
Does anyone know if the county panels have to be named by next Monday? Has anyone heard of any players that will be called up for it by Harte? Wonder will Tyrone take it more serious than last season.
Cant imagine panels having to be named til at least end of the month,not many counties holdin trials etc to even select new players!!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on December 04, 2008, 07:43:31 PM
Does anyone know if the county panels have to be named by next Monday? Has anyone heard of any players that will be called up for it by Harte? Wonder will Tyrone take it more serious than last season.
hear there's a fitness test for potential tyrone panelists next week but no training till after christmas
Had heard something bout there being a fitness test for Tyrone panelists. Wonder does that include any/many new players?
Thought I read the universities had to submit their panels by 1st December and then the counties a week later. Havent seen any word of university panels being released so could be wrong.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on December 04, 2008, 10:25:00 PM
Had heard something bout there being a fitness test for Tyrone panelists. Wonder does that include any/many new players?
Thought I read the universities had to submit their panels by 1st December and then the counties a week later. Havent seen any word of university panels being released so could be wrong.
know of at least one new player from round our way that's been asked
i'd say harte knows exactly what his panel/team will be anyway
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7761079.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7761079.stm)
The Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup will start on Saturday 3 January with a Section C fixture between Cavan and Queen's at Breffni Park (1900 GMT).
Four games have been scheduled for Sunday 4 January (1400).
In Section A, Fermanagh will face Derry at Enniskillen with UUJ taking on Donegal at Ballybofey.
On the same afternoon, St Mary's will take on holders Down at Newry in Section B while Armagh will face Antrim in Section C at Armagh.
All 12 teams will then be in action on Sunday 11 January while five games midweek games have been scheduled for 14 January.
The remaining section matches will see Cavan facing Armagh at Saturday 17 January and Tyrone tackling Monaghan the following afternoon.
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Group A: Fermanagh, Derry, Jordanstown, Donegal
Group B: Tyrone, Monaghan, Down, St Mary's
Group C: Armagh, Queen's, Cavan, Antrim.
Semi-finals: Group A winners v Best runners up; Group B winners v Group C winners.
3 Jan
Section C - Cavan v Queen's (1900 GMT)
4 Jan (1400)
Section A - Fermanagh v Derry (Enniskillen)
UUJ v Donegal (Ballybofey)
Section B - St Mary's v Down (Newry)
Section C - Armagh v Antrim (Armagh)
11 Jan (1400)
Section A - Derry v UUJ (Ballinascreen)
Donegal v Fermanagh (Ballyshannon)
Section B - Monaghan v St Mary's (Emyvale)
Down v Tyrone (Newry)
Section C - Antrim v Cavan (Casement Park)
Queen's v Armagh (Armagh)
14 Jan (1930)
Section A - Fermanagh v UUJ (Enniskillen)
Derry v Donegal (Ballinderry)
Section B - Tyrone v St Mary's (Omagh)
Monaghan v Down (Inniskeen)
Section C - Antrim v Queen's (Casement Park)
17 Jan (1900)
Section C - Cavan v Armagh (Cavan)
18 Jan (1400)
Section B - Tyrone v Monaghan (Omagh)
21 Jan
Semi-Finals: C v B, A v best runner-up
24 Jan
Final
Antrims 2009 Mc Kenna Cup Panel includes 12 players who came through the recent trials,34 players are currentyly in the panel, 6 of whom will be on duty with their respective universitys.
David Mc Alernon Aghagallon
Neil O Connell Ahoghill
Donal Graham Ahoghill
Tony Scullion Cargin
Kieron Close Cargin
Michael Mc Cann Cargin
Kevin Mc Quillan Dunloy
Conor Creaney Glenavey
Paul Conlon Gortnamona
John Finucane Lamh Dhearg
Paddy Cunningham Lamh Dhearg
Kevin Brady Moneyglass
Paddy Carey Portglenone
Martin Mc Carry Portglenone
Gerard Mc Aleese Portglenone
Benny Hasson Rasharkin
Dara Edwards St Brigids
Conor Maxwell St Endas
Damien Gault St Endas
Andy Mc Lean St Galls
Colin Brady St Galls
Adian Gallagher St Galls
Aaron Douglas St Johns
Kevin Mc Glinchey St Johns
Sean Mc Greevey St Pauls
Liam Carlin St Pauls
Conor Mc Goldrick St Teresas
Michael Mc Gill Tir Na Nog
James Loughrey Queens St Brigids
Justin Crozier Queens Cargin
Sean Burke Queens St Galls
Michael Pollock St Marys Gort na Mona
Thomas Mc Cann UUJ Cargin
Kevin O Boyle UUJ Cargin
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=1361
Thats Dara Edwards from Armagh isn't it?
Quote from: AFS on December 07, 2008, 03:09:34 PM
Thats Dara Edwards from Armagh isn't it?
Indeed it is.
Quote from: corn02 on December 07, 2008, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: AFS on December 07, 2008, 03:09:34 PM
Thats Dara Edwards from Armagh isn't it?
Indeed it is.
Not much of a loss I wouldn't have thought. Didn't impress too much for his home county last McKenna Cup.
Judas! :P
anyword on mckenna cup panels - when the deadline
Tyrone invitations out last week for Dr mc kenna cup
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 05:40:07 PM
Tyrone invitations out last week for Dr mc kenna cup
Aidan Cassidy (Augher)
Gareth Devlin (Stewartstown)
Conor O'Donnell (Omagh)
Jason McAnulla (Omagh)
Ryan O'Neill (Clonoe)
Martin Swift (Killyclogher)
Niall McGinn (Eskra)
Peter McGahan (Killyman)
Carr names Cavan squad
Tommy Carr, the new Cavan football boss, has named an extended 42-man panel for the season-opening Dr McKenna Cup.
Carr has included five players new to inter-county football, with Brian Coleman, the Castlerahan goalkeeper, drafted in, while Drumalee trio Enda McCormack and Gary Fenercombe and Dane O'Dowd also caught the eye of the Tipperary native.
Kildallan attacker Ronan O'Reilly is the final addition, while star player Seanie Johnston is included despite suggestions that he could miss the season as he has hinted that he could spend the year travelling.
Johnston's club, Cavan Gaels, who won the county final again this year, have five representatives in the panel in total.
Cavan Squad: James Reilly [Drung], Eoghan Elliot [Cavan Gaels], Brian Coleman [Castlerahan], Michael Brides [Oliver Plunkett's], Johnny Crowe [Crosserlough], John McCutcheon [Cootehill], Keith Fannin [Drumgoon] Michael Hannon [do], Mark McKeever [Gowna], Padraig O'Reilly [Ballinagh], Barry Watters [Drung], Rory Dunne [Redhills], Eamonn Reilly [Cavan Gaels], Paul Brady [Mullahoran] Dermot Sheridan [do], Ronan Flanagan [Castlerahan], Martin Cahill [Denn], Dane O'Dowd [Drumlane], Enda McCormack [Drumalee], Gary Ferncombe [do], Dermot McCabe [Gowna], Ciaran Galligan [Drung], Nicholas Walsh (Cavan Gaels), Lorcan Mulvey (Butlersbridge), John Cunningham [Swanlinbar], Raymond Galligan [Lacken], John Tierney [Knockbride], David Givney [Mountnugent], Micheál Lyng [Cavan Gaels], Sean Johnston [do], Gerard Pierson [Gowna], Anton O'Reilly [Ramor Utd], James Clarke [Kilinkere], Ronan O'Reilly [Kildallan], Martin Reilly [Killygarry], Paddy Gumley [Redhills], Jason O'Reilly [Belturbet], Sean Brady [Castlerahan] Cian Mackey [do], Conor Smith [Cuchullains], Eddie O'Reilly [Mullahoran], Ray Cullivan [Ballyhaise].
http://www.gaa.ie/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=25315
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 16, 2008, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 09, 2008, 05:40:07 PM
Tyrone invitations out last week for Dr mc kenna cup
Aidan Cassidy (Augher)
Gareth Devlin (Stewartstown)
Conor O'Donnell (Omagh)
Jason McAnulla (Omagh)
Ryan O'Neill (Clonoe)
Martin Swift (Killyclogher)
Niall McGinn (Eskra)
Peter McGahan (Killyman)
It said in times there was 9 people asked but only named 8 above. Did Colly Dorris get asked to? I'd imagine they'd soon have to have some kind of panel in place. I'm glad to see Swift back, looked like a decent corner back last year. Also looking forward to seeing Cassidy,O'Neill and Devlin. Does anyone have any opinion on which of these players are most likely to make it? What position does Conor O'Donnell play?
O Donnell plays corner forward and i think ur right bout colly doris,he was called up too!!Cassidy could def make it,class players bring out the best in ya and he could do well!
Harte calls on new faces
18 December 2008
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has welcomed some fresh blood into the O'Neill County fold for the forthcoming McKenna Cup campaign.
The players will be afforded an opportunity to break into the panel for the league and championship once the All-Ireland holders regroup at the start of January.
The following have been called up: Peter McGahan (Killyman), Martin Swifts (Killyclogher), Conor O'Donnell and Jason McAnulla (Omagh), Niall McGinn (Eskra), Gareth Devlin (Stewartstown), Ryan O'Neill (Clonoe) and Aidan Cassidy (Augher).
Quote from: bigfrank on December 18, 2008, 06:23:52 PM
Harte calls on new faces
18 December 2008
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has welcomed some fresh blood into the O'Neill County fold for the forthcoming McKenna Cup campaign.
The players will be afforded an opportunity to break into the panel for the league and championship once the All-Ireland holders regroup at the start of January.
The following have been called up: Peter McGahan (Killyman), Martin Swifts (Killyclogher), Conor O'Donnell and Jason McAnulla (Omagh), Niall McGinn (Eskra), Gareth Devlin (Stewartstown), Ryan O'Neill (Clonoe) and Aidan Cassidy (Augher).
The young fella going to Celtic?
The Niall Mc Ginn goin to celtic is from Donaghmore,same club as the famous Eugene Mc Kenna and Malachi Cush lol:)
winker
Colm Dorris is a 9th addition to the 30 man McKenna Cup panel not on earlier list. Following players were on last years panel that I have noticed missing for it:
Colm Cavanagh (uni)
Justy McMahon (uni)
Snowy O'Neill (uni)
Cathal McCarron
Colm McCullagh
Ryan McMenamin
Conor Gormley
Niall Gormley
Dermot Carlin
Damien McCaul
Brian Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Any one know what the story with the 3 Dromore players (except Snowy) that are missing? Are they all injured? - was suprised that McCarron is missing as thought he would get time to prove his worth. Is Conor Gormley taking a break or is he injured to? Looks like a fairly stong panel and will be good to see Mugsy and O'Neill linking up. A lot of counties experimenting in it so Tyrone have a good chance of getting title back.
By the look of it Armagh are all out to win the McKenna Cup this year! By my calculations of the panel named in the paper only 11 of the 30 played league or championship last year. Apart from Cross and Uni players notable absentees are McGrane, Mcnulty, McKinney and McDonnell as well as Toal and Swift. Hopefully at least half will be back for the league.
Where is the Armgh squad listed?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 20, 2008, 10:29:15 AM
Where is the Armgh squad listed?
This weeks Gaelic life has full squad listings for all teams
Doherty names squad
21 December 2008
New Donegal manager John Joe Doherty has named a 30-man squad for the Dr McKenna Cup as he begins his term in charge of the Ulster side.
Doherty, who was appointed manager after a prolonged process has been busy assembling a squad for the new season and he welcomes back a number of familiar faces.Back in the squad are Ciaran Bonner, who fell out with former manager Brian McIver and midfielder Brendan Boyle, who has been out injured with a back complaint for the past two years.
Donegal SF Panel (Dr McKenna Cup):
Ciaran Bonner, Michael Boyle, Brendan Boyle, Ryan Bradley, Charlie Byrne, Michael Doherty, Odhran Doherty, Conall Dunne, Paul Durcan, Neil Gallagher, Johnny Gallagher, Stephen Griffin, Rory Kavanagh, Damian McClafferty, Paddy McDaid, Stephen McDermott, Neil McGee, Eamon McGee, Frank McGlynn, Shane McGowan, Leo McLoone, Kevin McMenamin, Barry Monaghan, Kevin Rafferty, Brian Roper, Leon Thompson, Christy Toye, David Walsh, Declan Walsh, Ross Wherity.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=105073
Cassidy names Derry panel
19 December 2008
Derry's new football manager Damien Cassidy has announced a 27-man squad for the McKenna Cup.
It includes a number of newcomers from intermediate champions Greenlough and Ballinascreen, as well as Cathal McKeever, who played his club football in Tyrone with Carrickmore.Kevin McCloy, Enda Muldoon and Paddy Bradley are among the high-profile absentees who are, however, expected to return for the National League. McCloy and Muldoon are both injured, while Bradley isn't expected to return from Australia until the end of January.
Derry (McKenna Cup squad):
S McGuckian, D McBride, Patsy Bradley, M Craig, T Walls, E O'Kane, M McBride, A McAlynn, C McKaigue, P Carton, M Drum, B Og McAlary, J Diver, N Bradley, PJ McCloskey, G McShane, M O'Kane, K O'Connor, P Young, C McKeever, B Mullan, E Lynn, P Bradley, C Devlin, E Brown, S Bradley, C Mullan.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=105061
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on December 19, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
Colm Dorris is a 9th addition to the 30 man McKenna Cup panel not on earlier list. Following players were on last years panel that I have noticed missing for it:
Colm Cavanagh (uni)
Justy McMahon (uni)
Snowy O'Neill (uni)
Cathal McCarron
Colm McCullagh
Ryan McMenamin
Conor Gormley
Niall Gormley
Dermot Carlin
Damien McCaul
Brian Dooher
Brian McGuigan
Any one know what the story with the 3 Dromore players (except Snowy) that are missing? Are they all injured? - was suprised that McCarron is missing as thought he would get time to prove his worth. Is Conor Gormley taking a break or is he injured to? Looks like a fairly stong panel and will be good to see Mugsy and O'Neill linking up. A lot of counties experimenting in it so Tyrone have a good chance of getting title back.
Conor Gormley is getting married in January
Ross Carr has named the following panel of players for the 2009 competition.
SF Panel (Dr McKenna Cup):
Club Name
Aghaderg
Rory Simpson
An Riocht
Brendan McVeigh
John Clarke
Annaclone
Gary McArdle
Ardglass
Michael Magee
Atticall
Louis Sloan
Ballyholland
Paul Murphy
Ballymartin
Peter Fitzpatrick
Bryansford
Joseph Ireland
Burren
Ciaran McGovern
Eoin McCartan
Kevin McKernan
Castlewellan
Kevin Duffin
Clann na Banna
Michael McAllister
Clonduff
Aidan Carr
John Fegan
Drumgath
Jackie Lynch
Loughinisland
Gareth Johnston
Mayobridge
Brendan Coulter
Cathal Magee
Conor Garvey
Ronan Sexton
Rostrevor
Martin Cole
Saval
Stephen Kearney
Daniel Hughes
Shamrocks
Hugh Davey
Damian Rafferty
Warrenpoint
John Boyle
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section A
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Fermanagh V Derry Brewster Park Enniskillen Ferm 04/01/2009 14:00 Brian Crowe Round 1
U.U.J V Donegal MacCumhaill Park Ballybofey 04/01/2009 14:00 Martin Sludden Round 1
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
St. Marys V Down Pairc Esler Newry Down 04/01/2009 14:00 Darren McQuillan Round 1
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section C
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Cavan V Queens University Kingspan Breffni Park Cavan 03/01/2009 19:00 Martin Higgins Round 1
Armagh V Antrim Athletic Grounds Armagh 04/01/2009 14:00 Leo Smyth Round 1
Looking forward to making the trip to Kingspan Breffni on Saturday night - any new emerging talent in Cavan worth keeping an eye out for?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 21, 2008, 03:45:05 PM
Doherty names squad
21 December 2008
New Donegal manager John Joe Doherty has named a 30-man squad for the Dr McKenna Cup as he begins his term in charge of the Ulster side.
Doherty, who was appointed manager after a prolonged process has been busy assembling a squad for the new season and he welcomes back a number of familiar faces.Back in the squad are Ciaran Bonner, who fell out with former manager Brian McIver and midfielder Brendan Boyle, who has been out injured with a back complaint for the past two years.
Donegal SF Panel (Dr McKenna Cup):
Ciaran Bonner, Michael Boyle, Brendan Boyle, Ryan Bradley, Charlie Byrne, Michael Doherty, Odhran Doherty, Conall Dunne, Paul Durcan, Neil Gallagher, Johnny Gallagher, Stephen Griffin, Rory Kavanagh, Damian McClafferty, Paddy McDaid, Stephen McDermott, Neil McGee, Eamon McGee, Frank McGlynn, Shane McGowan, Leo McLoone, Kevin McMenamin, Barry Monaghan, Kevin Rafferty, Brian Roper, Leon Thompson, Christy Toye, David Walsh, Declan Walsh, Ross Wherity.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=105073
Roper's back for another year. Fair fucks to him!
I don't seen Devenney or Cassidy or Hegarty or Michael Murphy. I'm assuming Cassidy is taking a break and will return for the league (apparently Lacey will be back for the championship after all), while Michael Murphy is recovering from a bad injury from what I heard. Devenney and Hegarty could be finished though. It should be interesting to see how lads like Ross Wherity, who had a good year for Eunan's, get on and if they'll stay on the panel.
Shut up HS :D
LaoisGAA
new emerging talent?
im guessing you already,know the likes of Ronan Flanagan,Michael Lyng and Jelly
so
Ray Cullivan
David Givney
Barry Watters
Eugene Keating
Anton O Reily are some good young players,
Cavan Panel for McKenna cup is 43 players so only god(Tommy Carr) knows who will be starting
St Mary's v Down (Sun)
Down begin the defence of their Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup title in Sunday's Section B clash against St Mary's at Newry (1400 GMT).
Ross Carr has named a strong squad but he is without injured men Dan Gordon, Liam Doyle, Paul McComiskey, Ambrose Rodgers and Declan Rooney.Ronan Murtagh and Michael Walsh are surprise absentees from the squad. The St Mary's panel includes Tyrone star Justin McMahon, CJ McGourty, Barry McGoldrick and Kevin Niblock. Other notable St Mary's squad members include Fermanagh man Brian Og Maguire, Armagh senior panelist Paul Keenan and Cavan player Paul Cunningham. New players in the Down panel for the competition include Kevin Duffin, Louis Sloan, Hugh Davey, Conor Garvey, Michael Magee and Rory Simpson. Damien Rafferty and Eoin McCartan also return to the squad after long injury lay-offs. Like all this weekend's McKenna Cup games, the match will see players having to deal with the new disciplinary rules for the first time. Yellow card offenders will have to leave the field of play to be replaced during the next break in the action by a substitute. The number of substitutes allowed on the field of play at any given time will be limited to six. Under the new rules, players will be given yellow card for a new series of "highly disruptive fouls". These include pulling down or tripping opponents, deliberate body collisions after the ball has been played, wrestling opponents off the ball and remonstrating with match officials in an aggressive manner.
Down panel : John Boyle, Aidan Carr, John Clarke, Martin Cole, Brendan Coulter, Hugh Davey, Kevin Duffin, John Fegan, Peter Fitzpatrick, Conor Garvey, Daniel Hughes, Joseph Ireland, Gareth Johnston, Stephen Kearney, Jackie Lynch, Cathal Magee, Michael Magee, Paul Murphy, Michael McAllister, Gary McArdle, Eoin McCartan, Ciaran McGovern, Kevin McKernan, Brendan McVeigh, Damian Rafferty, Ronan Sexton, Rory Simpson, Louis Sloan.
St Mary's : Barry Canavan, Paul Carvill, Seamus Conlon, John Cunningham, Mark Digney, Ryan Dolan, Stephen Donaghy, Caolan Doyle, Ronan Green, Paul Keenan, John Kelly, Brian Og Maguire, Paul McAleer, Conal McElhone, John McGill, Barry McGoldrick, Conor McGourty, Mark McKenna, Justin McMahon, Lee McQuaid, Neil McSherry, Bernard Mullan, Eugene Mullan, Martin Murray, Kevin Niblock, Kevin O'Boyle, Gareth O'Neill, Sean O'Neill, Michael Pollock, Cathair Shannon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7808533.stm
Usually the squad numbers are in alphabetical order. Might be wrong this year though.
Balax - forgot to tdo the Gaelic Life comp.
Cavan v Queen's (Sat)
Tommy Carr will have his first match in charge of Cavan in Saturday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash against QUB at Kingspan Breffni Park (1900 GMT). Carr's opening squad contains a predictable mix of experience and new men with Seanie Johnston a notable absentee for the McKenna Cup campaign. Queen's squad includes Charlie Vernon, James Kielt, Joe O'Kane, Paul Courtney, Justin Crozier and Shaun O'Neill. QUB will use the competition to prepare for the Sigerson Cup in February.
Queen's : Shane Barton, Conor Bayne, Sean Burke, Paul Courtney, Cathal Crilly, Justin Crozier, Ryan Dillon, Hugh Gallagher, Peter Graham, Luke Howard, Charlie Kielt, James Kielt, Ciaran Leonard, James Loughrey, Conor Maginn, Brendan Martin, Liam Morrow, Brendan McArdle, Aidan McCrory, Sean McGoldrick, Niall McGovern, Paul McVey, Fergal Murphy, Deaghlan O'Hagan, Joe O'Kane, Shaun O'Neill, Jamie O'Reilly, Mark Sweeney, Charlie Vernon, Michael Ward.
Cavan : Michael Brides, Sean Brady, Martin Cahill, James Clarke, Brian Coleman, Jonathan Crowen, Eoghan Elliot, Keith Fannin, Garh Ferncombe, Ciaran Galligan, Raymond Galligan, Paddy Gumley, Eugene Keating, Cian Mackey, Lorcan Mulvey, Enda McCormack, John McCutcheon, Mark McKeever, Dane O'Dowd, Gerard Pearson, Anton Reilly, Eamonn Reilly, Eddie Reilly, Ronan Reilly, Padraig Reilly, Jason Reilly, John Tierney, Nicholas Walsh.
And me.
Fermanagh v Derry (Sun)
New Derry manager Damien Cassidy will use the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup to search for new talent after selecting a predominantly inexperienced squad. Derry open their season with Sunday's Section A clash against Fermanagh at Enniskillen (1400 GMT). Patsy Bradley, Paul Bradley, Paul Carton, Collie Devlin and Joe Diver are the best known players in the squad. Fermanagh boss Malachy O'Rourke will have a more experienced squad at his disposal for the competition. The likes of Shane Goan, Raymond Johnston, Damian Kelly, Ryan Keenan, Shane Lyons, Eamon Maguire, Liam McBarron, Shane McDermott, Ciaran McElroy, Marty McGrath, James Sherry and Peter Sherry have all been named in the McKenna Cup panel. Ryan Carson is also named in the panel after making himself available again after a couple of seasons out. However, the Erne County squad does include some new blood, including Rory Foy, Michael Jones, Darren McQuaid, James Connolly and Seamus Ryder. Players set to make their Derry debuts during the McKenna Cup include Michael Drum, Brian Og McAlary, Dermot McBride, Mickey McBride, PJ McCloskey, Gavin McShane, Brian Mullan, Kevin O'Connor and Tony Walls.
Fermanagh squad : Hugh Brady, Chris Breen, Pat Cadden, Ryan Carson, James Connolly, Enda Ferris, Rory Foy, Ronan Gallagher, Shane Goan, Michael Jones, Paul Johnson, Raymond Johnston, Damien Kelly, Ryan Keenan, Daniel Kille, Niall Leonard, Shane Lyons, Eamon Maguire, Liam McBarron, Shane McDermott, Ciaran McElroy, Tom McElroy, Martin McGrath, Darren McQuaid, Shane O'Brien, Ciaran O'Reilly, Seamus Ryder, James Sherry, Peter Sherry, Paul Ward.
Derry squad : Niall Bradley, Patsy Bradley, Paul Bradley, Seamus Bradley, Eoghan Bradley, Paul Carton, Mark Craig, Collie Devlin, Joe Diver, Michael Drum, Enda Lynn, Brian Og McAlary, Aidan McAlynn, Dermot McBride, Mickey McBride, PJ McCloskey, Shane McGuckin, Chris McKaigue, Cathal McKeever, Gavin McShane, Brian Mullan, Ciaran Mullan, Kevin O'Connor, Eunan O'Kane, Michael O'Kane, Tony Walls, Paul Young.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7808368.stm
UUJ v Donegal (Sun)
John Joe Doherty's first game in charge of Donegal will see his side taking on UUJ in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash at Ballybofey (1400 GMT). Doherty has named an experienced panel for the competition, with Ciaran Bonner, Brendan Boyle, Michael Doherty and Stephen McDermott all recalled. Newcomers include Charles Byrne, Shane McGowan, Leo McCloone and Declan Walsh. UUJ will include Colm Cavanagh, James Colgan and Tomas McCann and captain Monaghan's Darren Hughes. Other talented Jordanstown personnel include Tyrone underage stars Brendan Boggs and Damien McDermott and Down pair Packie Downey and Colm Murney.
UUJ squad : Kevin Anderson, Daniel Bateson, Brendan Boggs, Colm Cavanagh, James Colgan, Ciaran Donnelly, Packie Downey, Stefan Forker, Conor Galligan, Aidan Girvan, Blaine Gormley, Gareth Haughey, Darren Hughes, Peter Hughes, Greg Kelly, Stephen McAleer, Cathal McCaffrey, Mark McCaffrey, Tomas McCann, Damien McDermott, Greg McGovern, Niall McKeever, Sean Murdock, Danny Mulholland, Cathal Murdock, Colm Murney, Declan Murphy, Conor Murray, Kieran Nolan, Cillian O'Reilly.
Donegal squad : Ciaran Bonner, Michael Boyle, Brendan Boyle, Ryan Bradley, Charles Byrne, Michael Doherty, Odhran Doherty, Conall Dunne, Paul Durcan, Neil Gallagher, Johnny Gallagher, Stephen Griffin, Rory Kavanagh, Damien McClafferty, Paddy McDaid, Stephen McDermott, Neil McGee, Eamon McGee, Frank McFlynn, Shane McGowan, Leo McLoone, Kevin McMenamin, Barry Monaghan, Kevin Rafferty, Brian Roper, Leon Thompson, Christy Toye, David Walsh, Declan Walsh, Ross Wherity.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7808636.stm
Armagh v Antrim
Both Armagh and Antrim are likely to include debutants in Sunday's opening Gaelic Life McKenna Cup Section C clash at the Athletic Grounds (1400 GMT). New Antrim boss Liam Bradley has given call-ups to several men, including Paddy Carey, Liam Carlin, Paul Conlon and former Armagh player Dara Edwards. Armagh veterans Enda McNulty, Paul McGrane, Francie Bellew and Steven McDonnell will miss the McKenna Cup. Goalkeeper Ciaran McKinney has left the panel while Andy Mallon is out injured. McKinney has opted out of the squad after becoming a father in September. Mallon is still being troubled by a fractured arm which he sustained in last year's Ulster Final against Fermanagh. There has been speculation that other Armagh veterans could join Oisin McConville in quitting the intercounty scene but Peter McDonnell has yet to hear of any further retirements.
The Armagh panel are scheduled to meet with McDonnell over the weekend while Bradley will have his first squad session with his panel on Friday. Edwards was part of Armagh's McKenna Cup squad last year but the St Brigid's player has switched allegiance to the Saffrons. Sean McVeigh is also a late addition to the Antrim squad.
Armagh squad : Ronan Austin, Conor Clarke, Ronan Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, JP Donnelly, Joe Feeney, Ryan Henderson, James Lavery, Malachy Mackin, Brian Mallon, Vincent Martin, Finian Moriarty, Tony McClelland, Barry McDonald, Eugene McDonnell, Philip McElroy, Ciaran McKeever, Paddy McKeever, Shane O'Neill, Aidan O'Rourke, Kevin O'Rourke, Martin O'Rourke, Neil O'Rourke, Chris Rafferty, Paudie Rodgers, Barry Shannon, Gareth Smyth, Barry Toner, Kieran Toner.
Antrim squad : Colin Brady, Kevin Brady, Paddy Carey, Liam Carlin, Ciaran Close, Paddy Cunningham, Paul Conlon, Conor Creaney, Aaron Douglas, Dara Edwards, John Finucane, Aodhan Gallagher, Damien Gault, Donal Graham, Benny Hasson, Conor Maxwell, Gerard McAleese, David McAlernon, Michael McCann, Michael Magill, Kevin McGlinchey, Conor McGoldrick, Sean McGreevy, Andy McLean, Kevin McQuillan, Neil O'Connell, Tony Scullion
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7807945.stm
f**k I forgot to enter as well, was looking at the list in the paper today for my name for about five minutes before it dawned on me.
Iv McKinney, Eoin Bradley and Seanie Johnston in my team.....pure death!
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2009, 06:50:28 PM
Balax - forgot to tdo the Gaelic Life comp.
I minded 10 minutes before the closing date, so don't expect to see me threaten the leaders!!
Quote from: hardstation on January 02, 2009, 10:56:52 PM
I read my bucking reminder letter the day after the closing date. I was waiting on the squads being published before picking my team. They were published the week after the closing date.
That was my tactic too, and now half my team ain't in competition.
Where the feck is John Deighan?
Prices for McKenna Cup and other competitions from Tommy French Bookmakers Wink
13/8 Sligo 15/2 Galway 4/7
8/11 Cavan 15/2 Queens UB 13/10
5/6 Offaly 15/2 Dublin 11/10
4/6 Wicklow 15/2 Carlow 11/8
1/1 Kildare 15/2 Wexford 10/11
11/10 Meath 15/2 Westmeath 5/6
6/5 Fermanagh 15/2 Derry 4/5
4/7 Donegal 15/2 UUJ 13/8
8/11 Down 15/2 St Marys 5/4
6/4 Antrim 15/2 Armagh 8/13
What about Queens to beat Cavan, Armagh to beat Antrim, Down to beat St Marys and Fermanagh to beat Derry?
Any games on TG4 this weekend?
DÉ DOMHNAIGH, 11ú EANAIR
1:45pm - GAA BEO ar an aer
2:00pm: BEO - Craobh Club AIB, Corn Dr. McKenna Gaelic Life - Chéad Babhta
Dún na nGall -vs- Fear Manach
IONAD: Béal Átha Seanaidh, Dún na nGall
Á chur i lathair ag Micheál Ó Domhnaill le tráchtaireacht ó Mac Dara Mac Donnacha.
Which translates into:
SUNDAY, JANUARY 11th
1:45pm - GAA BEO on air
2.00pm: LIVE - Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup 1st Round
Donegal -vs- Fermanagh
VENUE: Ballyshannon, Co. Donegal
Game on tv next sunday!!
Queens to beat cavan wouldn't be a bad bet i might have some of that myself. Seanie Johnston its with DCU and nobody else can score.
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 03, 2009, 02:37:45 PM
Queens to beat cavan wouldn't be a bad bet i might have some of that myself. Seanie Johnston its with DCU and nobody else can score.
That was my thinking, plus the universities shouold be sharper seeing as none of the county squads have been training! ;) the quad I said earlier pays 13/1...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2009, 12:10:18 PM
Prices for McKenna Cup and other competitions from Tommy French Bookmakers Wink
6/4 Antrim 15/2 Armagh 8/13
This match has been moved at the worst possible time for French's from Casement Park to the Athletic Grounds.
Quote from: drici on January 03, 2009, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2009, 12:10:18 PM
Prices for McKenna Cup and other competitions from Tommy French Bookmakers Wink
6/4 Antrim 15/2 Armagh 8/13
This match has been moved at the worst possible time for French's from Casement Park to the Athletic Grounds.
I knew it was in the Athletic Grounds but I am saying nothing!! I like the 8/13...
lads if anyone wants the scope on any of your countymen on the queens team,Let me know before 6pm.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 02, 2009, 10:56:52 PM
I read my bucking reminder letter the day after the closing date. I was waiting on the squads being published before picking my team. They were published the week after the closing date.
That was my tactic too, and now half my team ain't in competition.
Where the feck is John Deighan?
Deighan not named in mckenna cup panel
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2009, 12:10:18 PM
Prices for McKenna Cup and other competitions from Tommy French Bookmakers Wink
13/8 Sligo 15/2 Galway 4/7
8/11 Cavan 15/2 Queens UB 13/10
5/6 Offaly 15/2 Dublin 11/10
4/6 Wicklow 15/2 Carlow 11/8
1/1 Kildare 15/2 Wexford 10/11
11/10 Meath 15/2 Westmeath 5/6
6/5 Fermanagh 15/2 Derry 4/5
4/7 Donegal 15/2 UUJ 13/8
8/11 Down 15/2 St Marys 5/4
6/4 Antrim 15/2 Armagh 8/13
What about Queens to beat Cavan, Armagh to beat Antrim, Down to beat St Marys and Fermanagh to beat Derry?
I'd probably replace Down with the Poly in that bet.
Actually, feck it, all 4 of Nail's and the Poly - pays about 15/1
2-08 to 0-6 to QUB. Half-Time.
Reilly on for Pearson - yellow card.
Queen's scoring "like the hammers of hell". Shaun (Snowy) O'Neill playing well.
Commentary on: http://powerlink.powerstream.net/002/00187/live4.asx
As I went walking through Dublin City
One pleasant morning in the month of May
I'm just reliving my 20s.
(http://www.northernsound.ie/uploads/banners/20.jpg)
Jigs now!
Cavan 0-9 QUB 3-13, 12 minutes left
"Unwise to miss mass or miss milking the cows" to go to this game. "People leaving early in droves". "New rules adding nothing". Game "as dull as dish water"
Shaun O'Neill "a star in the making a three goal hero"
3-13 to 0-12 to QUB final score.
QUB didn't score in last 15 minutes.
Smash the Windows, The Low Road to Glen and The Daisy Field.
Where is Shaun O'Neill from?
October Winds.
Hes a classy looking player,terrific finish for the last goal.
even if it were against our 3rd string :P
any mckenna matches on tv today ? that was a good win for QUB last night and from what i hear an exceptional performance from Shaun O'Neill
how much was it in last night lads??
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 04, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 04, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
how much was it in last night lads??
€10 and £9.
Were there programmes on sale Cavan4ever? Do the players have squad numbers like previous years or were they lined out 1 to 15?
is there anywhere to listen to the Derry vs Ferm game lads, online or radio?
Quote from: screenmachine on January 04, 2009, 12:47:22 PM
is there anywhere to listen to the Derry vs Ferm game lads, online or radio?
might be on Q101 west?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2009, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 04, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 04, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
how much was it in last night lads??
€10 and £9.
Were there programmes on sale Cavan4ever? Do the players have squad numbers like previous years or were they lined out 1 to 15?
There were programmes but there weren't to many. I didn't get one but got a glimpse of one and only seemed to have names and no numbers.
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 04, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2009, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 04, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 04, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
how much was it in last night lads??
€10 and £9.
Were there programmes on sale Cavan4ever? Do the players have squad numbers like previous years or were they lined out 1 to 15?
There were programmes but there weren't to many. I didn't get one but got a glimpse of one and only seemed to have names and no numbers.
Did the starting players wear the numbers 1 to 15?
Cavan did except full forward not sure about Queens
Donegal Vs UUJ
http://www.highlandradio.com/ (http://www.highlandradio.com/)
Any links to either the Armagh or Down matches?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 04, 2009, 02:32:04 PM
Any links to either the Armagh or Down matches?
http://www.fivefm.co.uk/
Quote from: mournerambler on January 04, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 04, 2009, 02:32:04 PM
Any links to either the Armagh or Down matches?
http://www.fivefm.co.uk/
Cheers rambler, any updates on the Down match?
with derry yellow cards and standard subs , they going to run out of players soon
Down team: McAllister, Rafferty, McKernan, Davey, Garvey, Sloan, Boyle, Ireland, Lynch, Kearney, Hughes, Fegan, Sexton, M Magee, C Magee
Down penalty, winning by two now...
Henderson with three points for Armagh today
Only a point in it to Armagh here, Antrim having the better of it so far in the second half...
how's big Gallagher (galls man) doing for Antrim?
All square in Armagh
Down 2-11 St Marys 0-08 some comeback
Quote from: milltown row on January 04, 2009, 03:13:23 PM
how's big Gallagher (galls man) doing for Antrim?
I think he might have got a yellow card and got the line milltown
How many minutes a half in the McKenna Cup?
Donegal 0-5 UUJ 0-3 Point from Ciaran Donnelly
Donegal 0-7 UUJ 0-3 point from Roper
Yellow card for Stephen McAleer UUJ
Yellow card for Ciaran Nolan UUJ
Donegal 0-7 UUJ 0-4 Ciaran Donnelly free
Donegal 0-9 UUJ 0-5 Stephen Griffin 4th point Half Time
2nd Half
Donegal 0-9 UUJ 0-7 no subs at HT
Donegal 0-10 UUJ 0-7 Stephen Griffin
Donegal 0-9 UUJ 0-7 McKeever
Donegal 0-11 UUJ 0-7 Stephen Griffin
Donegal 0-11 UUJ 0-8 Ciaran Donnelly
Donegal 1-11 UUJ 0-8 Roper goal, now scored 1-2
Donegal 1-12 UUJ 0-8 Stephen Griffin
Donegal 1-12 UUJ 0-9 Ciaran Donnelly free
Donegal 1-13 UUJ 0-10 Ciaran Donnelly free
Donegal 1-13 UUJ 0-11 Ciaran Donnelly free
Donegal 1-13 UUJ 0-12 Mulholland
Penalty for Donegal
Donegal 2-13 UUJ 0-12 Stephen Griffin penalty
Donegal 3-14 UUJ 0-12 Ross Wherity goal
Donegal 3-14 UUJ 0-13 Ciaran donnelly free. RESULT
Fermanagh 0-3 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder) Derry 0-0 20 minutes gone
Fermanagh 0-4 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder) Derry 0-0 5 mins to HT
Fermanagh 0-4 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder Carson) Derry 0-0
Nial Bradley yellow card
Fermanagh 0-4 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Carson) Derry 0-1
Patsy Bradley yellow card - McBride on
Fermanagh 0-5 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson) Derry 0-1 (Mullan) Half Time
Fermanagh 0-6 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Hadden?) Derry 0-2 (Mullan, Mullan)
Fermanagh 0-8 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden ) Derry 0-3 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley)
Fermanagh 0-9 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden, Ferris ) Derry 0-4 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley, Brown)
Fermanagh 0-9 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden, Ferris ) Derry 0-5 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley, Brown, Jones?)
Fermanagh 0-9 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden, Ferris ) Derry 0-6 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley, Brown, Jones, Seamus Bradley)
Fermanagh 0-9 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden, Ferris ) Derry 1-7 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley, Brown, Jones, Seamus Bradley, Joe Diver goal) 32 minutes gone
Fermanagh 0-10 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden, Ferris, McElroy ) Derry 1-7 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley, Brown, Jones, Seamus Bradley, Joe Diver goal) 32 minutes gone
Fermanagh 0-10 (Ferris, Ferris, Ryder, Ryder, Carson, Cadden, Cadden, Cadden, Ferris, McElroy ) Derry 1-7 (Mullan, Mullan, Paul Bradley, Brown, Jones, Seamus Bradley, Joe Diver goal) RESULT DRAW
Armagh 0-06 Antrim 0-03 HT
Armagh 0-07 Antrim 0-6
Armagh 0-07 Antrim 0-7
Armagh 0-12 Antrim 0-10 RESULT
Down 0-7 St Mary's 0-8 HT
Down 1-07 St Mary 0-08
Down 2-11 St Marys 0-08
25 mins Down 3-15 St Mary's 0-09
Down 3-16 St Mary's 0-10 RESULT
Fermanagh are useless f**kers.
Thay led the whole way til the last 5! >:(
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 03:39:39 PM
Thay led the whole way til the last 5! >:(
Only knocker in my bet, f**k sake, only had a tenner on it, but could have one with that 140quid!
Had them done myself. sick :'(
Who is the Jones that scored a point for Derry?
Armagh 0-12 Antrim 0-10
Armagh started with;
Rodgers
Moriarty Donaghy N O'Rourke
JP Donnelly A O'Rourke C McKeever
K Toner M Mackin
E McDonnell M O'Rourke R Henderson
B Mallon R Clarke Feeney
Not a great game at all. We started brightly enough and were well on top in the first half but Antrim drew level at 0-7 a piece halfway through the second half before Armagh pulled away to win. Mediocre enough performance. Lacked any real intensity and I thought the new rules which saw 2 Antrim players get yellows in the first half meant that fellas were afraid to make challenges. Armagh lacked a bit of sharpness and there were quite a few basic errors, particularly with shooting
For Armagh, Henderson looked lively in first half - got 1 nice point and should have had another int he first half - was showing well for it anyway. Think he ended up with 0-3, one of which was a free. Ronan Clarke played the first half in a withdrawn midfield role which I thought was a bit pointless. We've had this debate on the Armagh club thread when Ógs do it and I think its an even bigger waste when Armagh try it. We all know he'll be on the edge of the square come the Tyrone match so I don't see the point of dragging him out the field. He didn't get into the game at all from the middle. Both mcDonnell and Feeney struggled to make an impact though Conor Clarke did quite well when he came on I thought, scoring a point.
Midfield was middling enough - little enough clean ball won though Mal Mackin did well bursting through and fisted 2 good points. Vincie Martin replaced Kieran Toner in the second half. The half back did alright, JP Donnelly was reasonably effective going forward anyway and both himself and Ciaran got a point. Given that Aidan started at centre half back it'd be a fair guess to presume that McDonnell has the same half back line in mind as last year. Thought Moriarty had a good game - linked the play very well and went forward with purpose. He's a very good player though has a tendancy to be too lax when marking though that wasn't exposed today. He was replaced by Barry Shannon at half time. Was impressed with Brendan Donaghy at full back - very commanding around the square. I'd like to see Toner given a go at full back but Donaghy looked today like he's growing into the position. Neil O'Rourke didn't have a great debut - made a couple of very bad passing errors in dangerous positions - one of which cost a point and the other almost cost a goal.
As for the goalkeeper - very good debut I thought - 2 good saves, one in particular in the second half after a blocked pass put Antrim through. Fielded a couple of high balls very well though there were one or 2 rash kicks.
A fair bit of improvement needed yet, particularly in the forwards but obviously there's fellas to come in though we had about half our championship starting team out today which is strong in McKenna Cup terms. Would like to see Kevin O'Rourke starting next week.
When next round?
Quote from: Doire abú on January 04, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Who is the Jones that scored a point for Derry?
Might have heard that wrong Doire abú. :o EDIT: Though maybe not: Michael Jones:
Fermanagh 0-10 1-7 DerryA superb late point from Ciaran McElroy earned Fermanagh a draw in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup clash in Enniskillen. The Ernemen were 0-5 to 0-1 ahead at the break and were five points in front with nine minutes left. But Derry hit 1-3 in the space of four minutes, with Joe Diver netting, to take the lead for the first time. McElroy salvaged a draw in the cup opener which saw two Derry players and one from UUJ sent-off and replaced under the new yellow card rule. Oak Leaf duo Niall Bradley and Patsy Bradley were dismissed in the first half while
Michael Jones was ordered off in the dying minutes. Fermanagh debutant Seamus Ryder and Enda Ferris each slotted over two points in the opening half, with Ryan Carson getting the other for the homeside. Pat Cadden added another three points for the Erne side in the second half but Derry's six answered points in quick time turned the game with Diver scoring his goal on 67 minutes.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7810683.stm
Down 3-16 0-10 St Mary's
Down began the defence of their Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup title with a thumping 15-point win over St Mary's at Pairc Esler in Newry. The students had led 0-8 to 0-7 at half-time with Barry McGoldrick landing five of their points, but Ross Carr's Down dominated in the second half. Cathal Magee scored from a penalty in the first minute after the restart after he had been fouled. Magee scored another goal 10 minutes later with John Fagan adding the third. St Mary's did not score in the second half until 10 minutes from time when CJ McCourty pointed. Down had two players yellow-carded and they had to be replaced under the new rules. Aidan Carr came on for John Boyle while Stephen Kearney was replaced by Michael Magee.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7808533.stm
Armagh 0-12 0-10 Antrim
Armagh had just two points to spare over Antrim in their Gaelic Life McKenna Cup opener. They led 0-6 to 0-3 at half-time but Antrim, in their first match under new manager Liam Bradley, fought back to level at seven points each. Armagh pulled away with four straight points scored by Malachy Mackin, Brian Mallon, J P Donnelly and Conor Clarke. Antrim pair Conor McGoldrick and Aiden Gallagher had to be replaced after picking up yellow cards.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7810664.stm
Have you ever seen a more miserable report?
UUJ 0-13 3-14 Donegal
Three second-half goals gave Donegal victory over the students in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup opener at Ballybofey. Donegal led 0-9 to 0-5 at half-time before captain Brian Roper, Stephen Griffen (pen) and Ross Wherrity added the goals. Griffen top-scored with 1-7 although UUJ's Ciaran Donnelly also shone with eight points, all from frees. Raymond Sweeney made his first appearance for Donegal in two years as a substitute in the second half. UUJ pair Stephen McAleer and Kieran Nolan, along with Donegal's Paddy McDaid, were dismissed and replaced after receiving yellow cards.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7810705.stm
Quote from: Doire abú on January 04, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Who is the Jones that scored a point for Derry?
Michael Jones is a Fermanagh man. Either he scored an own point, Derry have made a transfer coup from Wales GAA or the BBC have fucked up a report
Quote from: whiskeysteve on January 04, 2009, 06:11:41 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on January 04, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Who is the Jones that scored a point for Derry?
Michael Jones is a Fermanagh man. Either he scored an own point, Derry have made a transfer coup from Wales GAA or the BBC have fucked up a report
Fermanagh squad : Hugh Brady, Chris Breen, Pat Cadden, Ryan Carson, James Connolly, Enda Ferris, Rory Foy, Ronan Gallagher, Shane Goan,
Michael Jones, Paul Johnson, Raymond Johnston, Damien Kelly, Ryan Keenan, Daniel Kille, Niall Leonard, Shane Lyons, Eamon Maguire, Liam McBarron, Shane McDermott, Ciaran McElroy, Tom McElroy, Martin McGrath, Darren McQuaid, Shane O'Brien, Ciaran O'Reilly, Seamus Ryder, James Sherry, Peter Sherry, Paul Ward.
He might have got a point for Fermanagh then.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2009, 06:04:02 PM
UUJ 0-13 3-14 Donegal
Three second-half goals gave Donegal victory over the students in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup opener at Ballybofey. Donegal led 0-9 to 0-5 at half-time before captain Brian Roper, Stephen Griffen (pen) and Ross Wherrity added the goals. Griffen top-scored with 1-7 although UUJ's Ciaran Donnelly also shone with eight points, all from frees. Raymond Sweeney made his first appearance for Donegal in two years as a substitute in the second half. UUJ pair Stephen McAleer and Kieran Nolan, along with Donegal's Paddy McDaid, were dismissed and replaced after receiving yellow cards.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7810705.stm
Nice to see Raymond Sweeney back in the fold. Hopefully he's good enough to stay there, as we could have used him over the past few seasons. Class footballer.
Stephen Griffin is flying the flag well for my own club - hopefully he'll make the grade: we haven't been exactly overburdened with intercounty players over the years (they all seem to crop up across the parish border, with Four Masters), while Donegal could do with another scoring forward!
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 04, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
When next round?
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section ATeam 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time
Derry U.U.J Ballinascreen 11/01/2009 14:00
Donegal Fermanagh Ballyshannon 11/01/2009 14:00
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section BTeam 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time
Monaghan St. Marys Emyvale 11/01/2009 14:00
Down Tyrone Pairc Esler Newry Down 11/01/2009 14:00
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section CTeam 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time
Antrim Cavan Casement Park Belfast Antrim 11/01/2009 14:00
Queens University Armagh Davitt Park, Lurgan 11/01/2009 14:00
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 04, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
Fermanagh are useless f**kers.
:P :D
Thats the most one sided draw I've seen in my life - if you'd been at it nail you'd have had the money spent with ten min to go. Still, I'm sure come championship time we'll have learnt to take our scores and close out matches... :-\
Who was 13 for Derry? Looked good, but about as sharp as you'd expect for this time of yr. Any new defenders for Fermaangh did well, thats each defender now covered about 4 times over, new forwards didn't do anything to suggest they'll have influence in the summer,Carson will be there though, and O Brien too, tho he didn't get much chance today. Shudda been him taking that last free to win it.
Ginger haired fella? I think it was probably Seamus Bradley, if not it was Paul Bradley. Heard Derry showed plemty of rustiness today but I would expect a comprehensive victory over UUJ judging by what I heard today against Donegal they sounded keek!
Screenexile would love it to have been Seamus ;)
Very convincing win for the Down men today. They proved they can mix it with the big boy's after defeating the All-Ireland champions in Ulster last year. I have a gut feeling they won't be that far away this year.
Time for my annual moan and whinge about prices for games at this time of year again. This year there was again no student fee at a match (Armagh v Antrim) in a competition that involves universities. I would like to see some consistency and common sense on this issue form the GAA.
Any one know of student rates at any games?
End of rant
Quote from: David McKeown on January 04, 2009, 07:55:20 PM
Time for my annual moan and whinge about prices for games at this time of year again. This year there was again no student fee at a match (Armagh v Antrim) in a competition that involves universities. I would like to see some consistency and common sense on this issue form the GAA.
Any one know of student rates at any games?
End of rant
What annoys me is the secrecy surrounding the admission cost to GAA games. Most people never know the price (unless it is all ticket) until they turn up at the gate. That has to be wrong.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 03:39:39 PM
Thay led the whole way til the last 5! >:(
its not over till the fat chicks sings ;)u should no carmen
derrys no.13 was joe diver.bumble was 15
Bumble = Seamus Bradley.
What was the Derry team today?
Seems strange to start Diver at 13! I take it Paul Bradley was 14 then. I also heard Eoghan Brown came on to bag a point as well. Looking forward to getting a decent look at the lads next week.
they wer all over the place diver midfield patsey bradley fullback
Down win opening Gaelic Life Dr Mc kenna cup game against St Marys
Date : 04/01/2009 18:08
Down opened their 2009 Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup campaign with a 3-16 to 0-10 win over the students from St Marys College Belfast. St Mary's were in the lead at half time 0-08 to 0-07, however Down lifted their game and ran out easy winners in the end. Down opened the scoring in the first half with a Daniel Hughes free after only four minutes, however St Mary's Michael Pollock responded a minute later. John Fegan fired Down back in front with a 20yard free. St Mary's then started to dominate the play winning 90% of the ball around midfield, however they did not put their dominance on the scoreboard and by half time they only led by a single point 0-08 to 0-07, with Barry McGoldrick landing five of their points. Down lifted their game in the second half with Conor Garvey and Louis Sloan playing well in defence. 15 minutes into the second half Down had scored two goals both coming from Mayobridge star Cathal Magee (one a penalty) and another five points, while St Mary's had failed to score. Over the next 10 minutes both sides exchanged points, while Clonduff's John Fegan added a third goal for Down. Over the last 10 minutes both sides once again exchanged points to leave the final score Down 3-16 St Mary's 0-10.
Down team was as follows:
16. Michael McAllister
25. Damian Rafferty
24. Kevin McKernan
7. Hugh Davey
11. Conor Garvey
28. Louis Sloan
2. John Boyle
13. Joseph Ireland
17. Jackie Lynch
9. John Fegan
26. Ronan Sexton
15. Stephen Kearney
19. Michael Magee
18.Cathal Magee
12. Daniel Hughes
Substitutions:
Aidan Carr for John Boyle (Yellow Card), Brendan Coulter for Michael Magee, Paul Murphy for Joseph Ireland, Martin Cole for Daniel Hughes, Michael Magee for Stephen Kearney (Yellow)
Armagh 0.12 Antrim 0.10
After trailing 0.06 .0.03 at half time Antrim lifted their game in the second half the run the Ulster Champions close.But for a bit of luck the result could have been so different,but none the less a heartening preformance for the 4th Jan.
Antrim Footballers had a formidable task in hand today, when they met Division One opponents, from the Orchard County, in their own back-yard; the Athletic Grounds in Armagh. Whilst some might argue that 2009 may have got off to a very 'short-notice first event', in terms of preparation time, it has to be said the conditions today were match favourable, except perhaps for the irritation of a pale and blinding winter sun. There were encouraging aspects to the game today, new playing rules notwithstanding. New Antrim Manager Liam Bradley was very much in evidence and whilst he has had little real opportunity to experiment it was patently clear that his fresh approach demonstrates a determination to accentuate the positive. Come what may he is clearly not a man to allow grass to grow beneath his feet; I think that it is fair to say watch this space.
Whilst Armagh never really looked threatened today it can be said that they had luck on their side, on more than one occasion. Antrim were unfortunate not to have scored at least one and arguably two good goals on the day. Again Antrim were competitive, in bursts, and won their chances to add points but it was not to be today. It is early in the season to pick out players for individual praise but it has to be said that there were encouraging signs of some real determination within the new Antrim squad. Gerard Mc Aleese was focused, determined and on target. Ciaran Close, was yet again reliable and determined although he had to come off eventually in consequence of injury. Tony Scullion, again and again and as is his hallmark drives directly at opponents with vigour and determination; he is an inspiration for his sustained determination on the field of play. Darragh Edwards made a significant claim to the number 11 Jersey today, wearing it as though he intended to stay on board.
All in all Antrim put on a determined display and against formidable odds carried the day with dignity. There was evidence, as to be expected, of the greater experience of some seasoned Armagh players. Names like O' Rourke, Clarke and Mc Keever don't lie down or roll over but the experience of playing against them has to be a positive one for Antrim players.
Antrim
1. Sean McGreevy 2.Aaron Douglas 3.Sean McVeigh 4.Colin Brady 5.Tony Scullion 6.Paddy Carey 7.Conor McGoldrick 8.Micheal McCann 9.Martin McCarry 10.David McAlernon 12.Dara Edwards 12.Aodhan Gallagher 13.Ciaran Close 14.Michael Magill 15.Gerard McAleese
Substitutes: Conor Creaney for A. Gallagher (yellow card), Benny Hasson for M. Magill (yellow card), Liam Carlin for C. McGoldrick, Conor Maxwell for C. Brady (injured), Kevin Brady for D. McAlernon and Donal Graham for C. Close (injured).
Anyone got any of the university line ups?
I'd be interested to know how many of my own county's players were playing.
Cheers
when they met Division One opponents, from the Orchard County,
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Is Armagh in division 1, that complicates my plans to attend the league games anyway!
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on January 04, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 03:39:39 PM
Thay led the whole way til the last 5! >:(
its not over till the fat chicks sings ;)u should no carmen
Good to see you back!! :D
Did Mc Kleever get a run out?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on January 04, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 03:39:39 PM
Thay led the whole way til the last 5! >:(
its not over till the fat chicks sings ;)u should no carmen
Good to see you back!! :D
Did Mc Kleever get a run out?
not even on the bench hi. he prob will there is a spot there for the tyrone c@nt
Follow link if want to see photos of todays game between Armagh and Antrim, copy and paste into address bar if can't click on it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157612113615739/detail/
Did anyone else see the scoreboard at end of game (see photos) Armagh won 0-12 to 0-10 yet the score was given as Armagh 0-12 to Antrim 1-11 with another goal being added after the game was ended making it 0-12 to 2-11, someone must have had a few to ward off the cold or left a kid to look after the last few minutes of the game.
Thought the Armagh v Antrim match was dire tbh, Donaghy was solid at FB, Mal Mackin got 0-3 from play yet seemed to do very little. Henderson did well, but his failings are well known and they'll surface at some point. I thought the most impressive performance of the day was Shorty Clarke who came on as a sub, he did more in 20 mins than others did all day.
Hear Vernon was immense for Queens.
Jaysus, itsa real game of opinions. i thought shorty was brutal when he came on. every ball he got (and there were plenty) he gave away
He never wasted a single ball from what I saw.
Quote from: emainmacha on January 04, 2009, 10:00:35 PM
Follow link if want to see photos of todays game between Armagh and Antrim, copy and paste into address bar if can't click on it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157612113615739/detail/
Did anyone else see the scoreboard at end of game (see photos) Armagh won 0-12 to 0-10 yet the score was given as Armagh 0-12 to Antrim 1-11 with another goal being added after the game was ended making it 0-12 to 2-11, someone must have had a few to ward off the cold or left a kid to look after the last few minutes of the game.
Great work there emainmacha
Armagh v Antrim 2300
Cavan v Queens 300
Down v St Marys 3000
All of the above from Irish News
Any other attendance figures?
Will any of the mckenna cup games be televised?
The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
I heard Rodgers was exellent. McEvoy will start next week and will need to perform. Good competition.
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
I heard Rodgers was exellent. McEvoy will start next week and will need to perform. Good competition.
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
Hmmmm. Interesting.
Quote from: Feckitt on January 05, 2009, 12:08:46 PM
Down v St Marys 3000
All of the above from Irish News
Any other attendance figures?
This sort of attendance at a January McKenna Cup game against a colleges team shows just what having good spectator facilities at Esler Park is all about.
Two years ago Down vs The Poly drew a crowd of 200 to Burren. Last year the same fixture at Esler Park topped 3000.
2300 - Armagh
300 - Cavan
I think 3k at Fermanagh.
The Attendances may not be the same next week £8/10 Euro in no student rate for a competition that has 3 student sides in it is very disappointing, if there was tv coverage of the armagh game yesterday ud have switched over after 10 mins very poor game antrims best player was an armagh man. armagh were very poor against a 2nd nearly 3rd string antrim side.
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
I heard Rodgers was exellent. McEvoy will start next week and will need to perform. Good competition.
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
I don't know what McDonnell was at sticking Clarke out to midfield - he didn't look comfortable at all there and just got in the way of things i thought. The only position for Ronan is full-forward and he's pretty handy in that role. Mr Versatility he ain't. It's very early days yet but that type of mindset from McDonnell doesn't fill me with confidence for the year ahead.
Quote from: Leo on January 05, 2009, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on January 05, 2009, 12:08:46 PM
Down v St Marys 3000
All of the above from Irish News
Any other attendance figures?
This sort of attendance at a January McKenna Cup game against a colleges team shows just what having good spectator facilities at Esler Park is all about.
Two years ago Down vs The Poly drew a crowd of 200 to Burren. Last year the same fixture at Esler Park topped 3000.
If there was 3,000 at the St Marys game you'd have to imagine there will be a big attendance this Sunday for Tyrone if the weather is any way decent. Looking forward to Tyrones first game of year.
With the Tyrone team not coming back to later this week Id guess some of the new guys will get a run out this week. Hopefully Stephen O'Neill will be fully fit,great to see him back.
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy
Thought the very same. Although Rodgers is very evidently a great shot stopper, could we afford having a goalie that balloons every kick out a mile in the air but hardly reaches the 45?
Positives for me were Donaghy and Finn Mo looking very comfortable in the FB line, although they'll face much sterner tests in the coming weeks and months; JP Donnelly not looking too out of place either and therefore giving us another option in the HB line, not that we're particularly short on HBs though; Henderson showing alright, but he didn't do enough to dispel the doubts surrounding him but he should get a decent run of games in the FF line all the same; and Conor Clarke when he came on, although far from polished he showed glimpses of skill and did wee things that suggests there's a good county player in him somewhere.
Negatives were most of the new lads not doing a lot; O'Rourke looked nervous and gave away a couple of silly points in the first half; McDonnell tried hard but did little, the same could be said of Feeney; Midfield was, as we're now used to, shite. Mal Mackin scored a few points but that shouldn't paper over the fact that he was totally ineffective in his primary role - as a ball winner, Toner was equally ineffective though.
Noticed from the team photograph in the Examiner today that there were only 23 players togged out, anyone know whats up with the other 7 lads that are supposed to be on the McKenna Cup panel?
All in all not a lot to get excited about I suppose, hopefully the next couple of months won't be as dull.
Quote from: topgun on January 05, 2009, 05:55:33 PM
armagh were very poor against a 2nd nearly 3rd string antrim side.
At least half the team that started yesterday should start come the championship.
Quote from: AFS on January 05, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy
Thought the very same. Although Rodgers is very evidently a great shot stopper, could we afford having a goalie that balloons every kick out a mile in the air but hardly reaches the 45?
Positives for me were Donaghy and Finn Mo looking very comfortable in the FB line, although they'll face much sterner tests in the coming weeks and months; JP Donnelly not looking too out of place either and therefore giving us another option in the HB line, not that we're particularly short on HBs though; Henderson showing alright, but he didn't do enough to dispel the doubts surrounding him but he should get a decent run of games in the FF line all the same; and Conor Clarke when he came on, although far from polished he showed glimpses of skill and did wee things that suggests there's a good county player in him somewhere.
Negatives were most of the new lads not doing a lot; O'Rourke looked nervous and gave away a couple of silly points in the first half; McDonnell tried hard but did little, the same could be said of Feeney; Midfield was, as we're now used to, shite. Mal Mackin scored a few points but that shouldn't paper over the fact that he was totally ineffective in his primary role - as a ball winner, Toner was equally ineffective though.
Noticed from the team photograph in the Examiner today that there were only 23 players togged out, anyone know whats up with the other 7 lads that are supposed to be on the McKenna Cup panel?
All in all not a lot to get excited about I suppose, hopefully the next couple of months won't be as dull.
Only allowed 24 on matchday.
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
I heard Rodgers was exellent. McEvoy will start next week and will need to perform. Good competition.
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
I don't know what McDonnell was at sticking Clarke out to midfield - he didn't look comfortable at all there and just got in the way of things i thought. The only position for Ronan is full-forward and he's pretty handy in that role. Mr Versatility he ain't. It's very early days yet but that type of mindset from McDonnell doesn't fill me with confidence for the year ahead.
I lost any confidence I had in him as last year's Wexford game unfolded!
If these thins are worth trying then Mckenna cup is the place to do it. Look at Cavanagh's free role for Tyrone, that didn't work out too badly!!
Quote from: Orior on January 05, 2009, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
Hmmmm. Interesting.
Go on..........what's the problem with that statement???
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 05:11:44 PM
2300 - Armagh
300 - Cavan
I think 3k at Fermanagh.
Sounds a bit high for the Ferm/Derry game, are you sure?
Any idea of attendance at Donegal/UUJ match?
Quote from: Sandy Hill on January 05, 2009, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 05, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2009, 12:24:33 PM
The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
i agree sandy hill
I heard Rodgers was exellent. McEvoy will start next week and will need to perform. Good competition.
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
I don't know what McDonnell was at sticking Clarke out to midfield - he didn't look comfortable at all there and just got in the way of things i thought. The only position for Ronan is full-forward and he's pretty handy in that role. Mr Versatility he ain't. It's very early days yet but that type of mindset from McDonnell doesn't fill me with confidence for the year ahead.
I lost any confidence I had in him as last year's Wexford game unfolded!
I agree sandy hill
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The Armagh Antrim game was poor enough. The positives from Armagh were the new keeper who looked very impressive - good in the air and some great saves. Donaghy was solid at the back and the likes of Moriarity and Shannon when he came on looked very sharp. Up front there wasnt much to get excited about apart from Henderson. He looked sharp and as others have said, he showed very well for the ball. With a bit of coaching and mentoring he might have something to offer in the league. Conor Clarke made his mark on the game when he came on late on. Got on the ball a lot and for the most part made some intelligent passes. He did kick a couple astray though. Again he's another one who's worth another look. The other new lads who started in the forwards didn't get themselves into the game at all.
i agree sandy hill
I heard Rodgers was exellent. McEvoy will start next week and will need to perform. Good competition.
His shot stopping and ability under the high ball was impressive but some of his kick outs were dodgy, noticed Aidan O'Rourke going into him before one of his kickouts and having a word. Thought Donaghy really stood out and hopefully he gets a good run, Finn mo was good until he went off. The established men didn't go particularly well although Ronan Clarke played better in the 2nd half when he played where he should have. Malachy Mackin showed in glimpses what he is capable of with a few strong runs through the middle but did some silly things also and the Antrim midfield dominated large parts of the game. Henderson showed some good touches of football and is well worth another few games. Thought that Conor Clarke turned the game when he came on as Antrim had dominated the third quarter. He used the ball well.
I don't know what McDonnell was at sticking Clarke out to midfield - he didn't look comfortable at all there and just got in the way of things i thought. The only position for Ronan is full-forward and he's pretty handy in that role. Mr Versatility he ain't. It's very early days yet but that type of mindset from McDonnell doesn't fill me with confidence for the year ahead.
I lost any confidence I had in him as last year's Wexford game unfolded!
I agree sandy hill
I get it. Like Tyrone last year you are trying to motivate McDonnell and the Armagh team. Wonder what price McDonnell is for player of the year?
Quote from: Feckitt on January 06, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 05:11:44 PM
2300 - Armagh
300 - Cavan
I think 3k at Fermanagh.
Sounds a bit high for the Ferm/Derry game, are you sure?
Any idea of attendance at Donegal/UUJ match?
Very well could be - i pulled that one out of the memory bank so could be wrong. I thought I read it somewhere though.
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Quote from: Feckitt on January 06, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 05:11:44 PM
2300 - Armagh
300 - Cavan
I think 3k at Fermanagh.
Sounds a bit high for the Ferm/Derry game, are you sure?
Any idea of attendance at Donegal/UUJ match?
Very well could be - i pulled that one out of the memory bank so could be wrong. I thought I read it somewhere though.
I was at it and that would seem about right. I was pleasantly surprised at the crowd there. Good to see!
Super performance from my alma mater on saturday night. didn't get but the first hand accounts bode well. obviously cavan were very weak and rusty but its no often a uni gives a county tem a hiding and i hear it should have been much more.
i think we could give armagh a real game sunday and possibly beat them. queens are a slick outfit with some quality footballers.
Quote from: Feckitt on January 06, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 05:11:44 PM
2300 - Armagh
300 - Cavan
I think 3k at Fermanagh.
was there myself not far af 3k and £8 in
Sounds a bit high for the Ferm/Derry game, are you sure?
Any idea of attendance at Donegal/UUJ match?
Malone aristocrat out of interest what way is James Loughrey playing for you boys?
Have only seen him a few times and not sure what to make of him yet.
Three st brigids boys in your panel I see too.
I assume Aidan O'Rourke will be managing and not playing next weekend?
Quote from: AFS on January 06, 2009, 09:37:24 PM
I assume Aidan O'Rourke will be managing and not playing next weekend?
Managing which team? ;)
Is he not still over Queens??
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Is he not still over Queens??
He is, along with Dan McCartan. Mentioned it to one of the Queens lads the other day and he said he be looking forward to lining up against him. :D
What I meant was, is he not perceived to have a certain amount of a say in the Armagh setup?
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Is he not still over Queens??
He is, along with Dan McCartan. Mentioned it to one of the Queens lads the other day and he said he be looking forward to lining up against him. :D
You sure its Dan McCartan? I thought he was a dentist?
Quote from: thebandit on January 07, 2009, 10:14:03 AM
What I meant was, is he not perceived to have a certain amount of a say in the Armagh setup?
There was talk of him being involved if Grimley and McGeeney had gotten the job. never heard dan McCartan mentioned... isn't he playing with down?
Quote from: Joxer on January 07, 2009, 10:17:32 AM
You sure its Dan McCartan? I thought he was a dentist?
I think he was a dentist when he captained the Sigerson winning team a few years ago, ach sin ceist eile, he's involved with the management setup this this year.
Quote from: Donagh on January 07, 2009, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: Joxer on January 07, 2009, 10:17:32 AM
You sure its Dan McCartan? I thought he was a dentist?
I think he was a dentist when he captained the Sigerson winning team a few years ago, ach sin ceist eile, he's involved with the management setup this this year.
He was dropped from the Down Panel this year.
Aiden will probably select some useless hoooer at centre forward? :P
Is Bernie Murray not still there as Number 2?
Is Armagh playing Queens this w'end, Venue?
yeah, match is in lurgan
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Is Bernie Murray not still there as Number 2?
That's what I thought too, im 99% sure he is.
Bernie Murray from Monaghan? Didn't know that
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Bernie Murray from Monaghan? Didn't know that
Was last year and pretty sure I seen him at a Queen's match this year.
QuoteHenderson showing alright, but he didn't do enough to dispel the doubts surrounding him
QuoteHenderson did well, but his failings are well known and they'll surface at some point.
Since we didn't have a game on Sunday I went down to this one myself.
Thought Henderson was by far the pick of the forwards. Seemed comfortable on the ball and keen enough to go for a score. Won a few balls into him that he was very much 2nd favourite for. Noticeable that some of the more 'established players were a bit reluctant to pass to him at times (e.g. the short free he took in the second half to O'Rourke who turned into trouble rather than lay it back off to Henderson)
What's the story though? I understand he has played McKenna and u-21 beofre but some lads are mentioning 'failings' and 'doubts', the Lurgan fellas all think he's county material though................
Is it an attitude thing as he certainy looks talented enough?
Wing mirrors
QuoteWing mirrors
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wing mirrors= to put it nicely,afraid to get stuck in
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section A
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Derry U.U.J Ballinascreen 11/01/2009 14:00 Robert O Donnell
Donegal Fermanagh Ballyshannon 11/01/2009 14:00 Stephen McName
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Monaghan St. Marys Emyvale 11/01/2009 14:00 Fergal Cleary
Down Tyrone Pairc Esler Newry Down 11/01/2009 14:00 Padraig Hughes
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section C
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Antrim Cavan Casement Park Belfast Antrim 11/01/2009 14:00 Ciaran Branagan
Queens University Armagh Davitt Park, Lurgan 11/01/2009 14:00 Darren McQuillan
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2009, 11:29:02 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Down Tyrone Pairc Esler Newry Down 11/01/2009 14:00 Padraig Hughes
He should be even better craic with these new rules :P
Quote from: AFS on January 08, 2009, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2009, 11:29:02 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Down Tyrone Pairc Esler Newry Down 11/01/2009 14:00 Padraig Hughes
He should be even better craic with these new rules :P
Cue Ross in the IN on Monday ranting and raving about him. Jesus I'd say himself and DJ cannot wait to see him! Ddint he get DJ the lengthy ban at the game in Drogheda where DJ was jumping around like a mad lunatic screaming at him :L
Quote from: gander on January 07, 2009, 02:04:50 PM
yeah, match is in lurgan
Is this match on Sunday? what time?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 08, 2009, 11:29:02 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section A
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Derry U.U.J Ballinascreen 11/01/2009 14:00 Robert O Donnell
Donegal Fermanagh Ballyshannon 11/01/2009 14:00 Stephen McName
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Monaghan St. Marys Emyvale 11/01/2009 14:00 Fergal Cleary
Down Tyrone Pairc Esler Newry Down 11/01/2009 14:00 Padraig Hughes
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section C
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Antrim Cavan Casement Park Belfast Antrim 11/01/2009 14:00 Ciaran Branagan
Queens University Armagh Davitt Park, Lurgan 11/01/2009 14:00 Darren McQuillan
refer you to the above.
on a lighter note - Paudie Hughes - ahaaaaaa - thank fcuk he can't ref armagh!
Cheers lad, sorry i didnt notice that
TG4 games:
Sunday 11 January 2009
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup - Group Game
Donegal v Fermanagh, Live from Fr.Tierney Park, Ballyshannon
GAA Beo coverage starts at 1:45pm
Throw-in: 2:00pm
Sunday 18 January
Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup - Group Game
Tyrone v Monaghan, Live from Omagh
GAA Beo on-air: 1:45pm
Throw-in: 2:00pm
Saturday 24 January
Live coverage - Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Final
Throw-in: 7:30pm
GAA Beo on-air 7:15pm
Will there we any online audio coverage on Antrin V Cavan on the internet Sunday?
I there a iv game on tg4 this weekend?
See three posts above.
oops
Down v Tyrone (Sun)
Holders Down will face Tyrone in the game of the day on the second Sunday of the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup at Pairc Esler in Newry (1400 GMT). While the Tyrone squad were still on holiday in Orlando, Down got their McKenna campaign off to a winning start by easily beating St Mary's. Tyrone will be without recuperating Brian Dooher and Brian McGuigan. Keeper Pascal McConnell is also out injured while Ryan McMenamin and Colm McCullagh are missing the McKenna Cup. Dooher is recovering following groin surgery while McGuigan underwent ankle surgery before Christmas. McConnell has been ruled out for two months after dislocating a kneecap. The Red Hands are also missing a number of men, such as Justin McMahon, who will be on university duty during the competition. In all, Mickey Harte has named nine newcomers in his squad, including Aidan Cassidy, Gareth Devlin, Jason McAnulla, Peter McGahan, Conor O'Donnell, Ryan T O'Neill and Martin Swift.
However, the squad also the majority of the All-Ireland Final winning line-up from last September. Cathal Magee scored two goals in Down's victory against St Mary's but the Mourne men are likely to find the All-Ireland champions a much tougher proposition. However, Down memorably defeated Tyrone in last year's Ulster Championship so the Mourne men shouldn't suffer from any inferiority complex going into the Newry contest.
Tyrone squad : Aidan Cassidy, Sean Cavanagh, Jonathan Curran, John Devine, Gareth Devlin, Peter Donnelly, Colm Doris, Ciaran Gourley, Davy Harte, Colin Holmes, Kevin Hughes, Philip Jordan, Ryan Mellon, Raymond Mulgrew, Owen Mulligan, Jason McAnulla, Peter McGahan, Michael McGee, Enda McGinley, Niall McGinn, Tommy McGuigan, Joe McMahon, Conor O'Donnell, Ryan T O'Neill, Stephen O'Neill, Martin Penrose, Paul Quinn, PJ Quinn, Martin Swift.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7821007.stm
14:00 Derry v UUJ
8 - 15 15 - 2 7 - 4
14:00 Donegal v Fermanagh
8 - 15 15 - 2 7 - 4
14:00 Monaghan v St Marys
1 - 4 17 - 2 10 - 3
14:00 Down v Tyrone
8 - 11 15 - 2 13 - 10
14:00 Antrim v Cavan
4 - 5 7 - 1 6 - 5
14:00 QUB v Armagh
6 - 5 7 - 1 4 - 5
Should the all ireland champs be such a big price??
14:00 Antrim v Cavan
4 - 5 7 - 1 6 - 5
Antrim will win this.
My bet will be Tyrone, QUB, Antrim and Donegal...
Tyrone look a good price at 13/10 but its hard to know. Down have a game and some training sessions behind them whereas Tyrone are entering the game on the back of a team holiday. Also last year Tyrone were poor enough in the McKenna Cup with the teams put out being a lot weaker than previous years. But with the likes of Stevie O'Neill, Kevin Hughes and Mulgrew looking to lay down an early marker for starting positions and a few talented new players trying to impress I certainly wouldnt rule out a victory. No word of a team being named?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 10, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
My bet will be Tyrone, QUB, Antrim and Donegal...
Derry
Donegal
Tyrone
Antrim.
Had a little wager on a draw in Queens Armagh game ;)
Courtesy of the Donegal Democrat...
Fermanagh next up for Donegal
Dr McKenna Cup - Donegal v Fermanagh - Fr Tierney Park, Sunday 2pm
Published Date: 08 January 2009
By Tom Comack
Donegal will be bidding for a second win on the trot when they play Fermanagh, on Sunday, in round two of the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup, in Fr. Tierney Park. (Throw in 2 pm).
In John Joe Doherty's first outing last weekend Donegal had an easier than anticipated 3-14 to 0-13 victory over UUJ. The new boss was a little disappointed that the Students did not give his side a stiffer test.
However, it is generally accepted that last year's Ulster finalists, Fermanagh, will provide a sterner test. The Erne County themselves played out a 0-10 to 1-7 draw with Derry in Brewster Park. They led by five points at one stage before being forced to come from behind to dig out a late draw courtesy of Ciaran McElroy.
Both sides were experimental last Sunday with just a sprinkling of recognised first teamers on view and Doherty and Malachy O'Rourke are expected to continue with that policy again this weekend as they build up for the start of next month's Allianz National Football League.
With Kevin Cassidy, Neil McGee, Colm McFadden and Michael Hegarty all still unavailable and Michael Boyle, Declan Walsh, Leo McLoone and Paul McGinley all involved with their respective third level colleges, Doherty's options are limited and he is expected to run with a side very much along the lines of that which faced UUJ.
The St. Eunan's trio of Rory Kavanagh, Conall Dunne and Damian McClafferty have all returned from holidays and are available once again though it remains to be seen if they are included or the manager sticks with the 21 players he used last weekend.
Donegal trained on Tuesday night in Ardara after it was switched from MacCumhaill Park, due to frost. The first of the regional competition games (South v North West) on Tuesday night was also a victim of the weather. The second of the regional games between the East and Inishowen is fixed for MacCumhaill Park on Thursday night.
Donegal are also due to train tonight in Ballybofey. They plan is to play the regional games on the main pitch with the county training running at the same time on the second pitch. Doherty is not expected to name his starting 15 until after training tonight and like last week it may be even closer to the game itself before he finally unveils his selection.
Meanwhile, Donegal's opening game of the Allianz National Football League is in Austin Stack Park, in Tralee, Donegal PRO Seamus O'Donnell confirmed this week. However, Donegal are still awaiting word on a request to have the game - which has been fixed for Sunday February 1 - brought forward to the night before, Saturday night January 31.
McKenna Cup Antrim v Cavan 11.01.09
10 January 2009
Senior team for Sunday
1.JOHN FINNUCANE
2.CONOR MAXWELL
3.SEAN MC VEIGH
4.AARON DOUGLAS
5.TONY SCULLION
6.PADDY CAREY
7.LIAM CARLAND
8.MICHAEL MC CANN
9.BENNY HASSON
10.AODHAN GALLAGHER
11.KEVIN BRADY
12.DAVY MC ALERNON
13.CIARON CLOSE
14.DONAL GRAHAM
15.GERARD MC ALEESE
16. SEAN MC GREEVEY
17.MARTIN MC CARRY
18.DAMIEN GAULT
19.DARA EDWARDS
20.CONOR CREANEY
21.KEVIN MC GLINCHEY
22.NEIL O CONNELL
23.COLIN BRADY
24.PAUL CONLON
25.KEVIN MC QUILLAN
26.CONOR MC GOLDRICK
27.PADDY CUNNINGHAM
28.MICHAEL MAGILL
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=1415
Print it out and take it with you, if you are going to this match.
Experimental Disciplinary Play Rules explained:
http://www.monaghan.gaa.ie/files/disciplinary-system-presentation-1230032061223665-1.pps
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 10, 2009, 12:21:37 AM
Tyrone look a good price at 13/10 but its hard to know. Down have a game and some training sessions behind them whereas Tyrone are entering the game on the back of a team holiday. Also last year Tyrone were poor enough in the McKenna Cup with the teams put out being a lot weaker than previous years. But with the likes of Stevie O'Neill, Kevin Hughes and Mulgrew looking to lay down an early marker for starting positions and a few talented new players trying to impress I certainly wouldnt rule out a victory. No word of a team being named?
I believe that of the AIF players, Harte, Sean, Hub, Tommy and Stevie will start. Prob see Donnelly, Swift, Quinn, Mulgrew and Cassidy. Might even see Sean starting in a unique position.
Does anyone have the leaderboard for the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Fantasy Football competition?
Thanks
Is tyrone game on Radio?
Supposed to be on Five FM
But they are having communication difficulties i.e. phone not working
Should be on soon
http://www.fivefm.co.uk/
hardly any chance of armagh game being on radio anywhere ??
queens 0-05 armagh 0-01 latest
Donegal 0-05 Fermanagh 0-02 - 20 mins gone.
Quote from: Shortso79 on January 11, 2009, 02:16:49 PM
Supposed to be on Five FM
But they are having communication difficulties i.e. phone not working
Should be on soon
http://www.fivefm.co.uk/
Cheers working fine now!
Any word on the scorers for cavan?
Queens 10
Armagh 2
Antrim 0-02 Cavan 1-05
Armagh 0-2 QUB 0-10
Down 0--6 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland) Tyrone 0-06 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill)
Half time
Donegal 0-6 Fermanagh 0-3 34 mins gone
Theres only 5 scorers for tyrone there
O Neill seems to be playing well, new rules should suit a player like him! It will be some change for him instead of having a defender hanging out of him everytime he moved.
Quote from: stiffler on January 11, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Theres only 5 scorers for tyrone there
Correct Stiffler.
Ballyshannon looks a cold, windy spot as usual today! Donegal's shooting could cost them in the second half, as they should be much further in front with the possession, chances and the wind advantage they've had. Presumably Fermanagh won't be as bad again in the second half!
Yeah I think Defenders will find it a lot hardier to mark our Stevie when they can't use their saddle or drag at him
Has he got 4 points now. Is he playing at FF?
Anyone got the Tyrone lineout?
Missed the lineup but the Tyrone thread has some of the players mentioned!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
Missed the lineup but the Tyrone thread has some of the players mentioned!
Devlin, Cassidy and Dorris are the new boys for Tyrone with Cassidy playing midfield.
Down team v Tyrone
Brendan McVeigh
Damian Rafferty
Kevin McKernan
Martin Cole
Conor Garvey
Louis Sloan
Hugh Davey
Joseph Ireland
Jackie Lynch
John Fegan
John Boyle
Ronan Sexton
Michael Magee
Cathal Magee
Daniel Hughes
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2009, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: stiffler on January 11, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Theres only 5 scorers for tyrone there
Correct Stiffler.
So do you know who got the other point or is the score 6-5 to down?
Any word on Derry Jtown match The referee in the Donegal match has been very sensible so far not a bad game considering the conditions
The team I heard last night was:
Devine
McGee
Donnelly
Swift
Harte
Cavanagh
PJ
Hub
Cassidy
McAnulla
Mulgrew
O'Donnell
McGuigan
O'Neill
Devlin
Is it that?
Is that our aul favourite Peter Donnelly at FB?
Surely Interesting if Sean is at CHB? How's he playing?
Where's Cassidy from and is he any use? What age is he?
Any info on McAnulla, Dorris, O'Donnell and Devlin?
I think it was Stevie who got the 6th point
Donegal 0-11 Fermanagh 1-5
Armagh 3-06 Two goals from Ryan Henderson QUB 0-12
UUJ 0-11 Derry 0-7
Antrim 0-10 Cavan 0-10
Tyrone team
Devine
Swift
Donnelly
Magee
Harte
Cavanagh S
Jordan
Cassidy
Hub
Mellon
Devlin
Dorris
Mulgrew
O'Neill
Mcguigan
Joe MCMahon on for McGuigan
Benny on.
Enda McGinley on for Dorris
Penrose on for Mellon
Holmes on for McGinley blood sub
Down 0--7 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee) Tyrone 0-07 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neill)
Down 0--7 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanaghl)
Down 0--8 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanaghl)
Down 0--10 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee, Boyle) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanagh) 17 Mins gone second half
Down 0--12 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee,Fagan, Boyle,Fagan, Fagan) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanagh) 17 Mins gone second half
Down 0--13 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee,Fagan, Boyle,Fagan,Fagan Fagan) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanagh) 25Mins gone second half
Down 0--14 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee,Fagan, Boyle,Fagan,Fagan. Fagan, Coulter) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanagh) 25Mins gone second half
Down 0--16 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee,Fagan, Boyle,Fagan,Fagan. Fagan, Coulter, Hughes, Coulter) Tyrone 0-08 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neil, Cavanagh) 32Mins gone second half
Down 0--16 (Garvey, McGee, Davey, Hughes, Davey, Ireland, McGee, McGee,Fagan, Boyle,Fagan,Fagan. Fagan, Coulter, Hughes, Coulter) Tyrone 0-09 (O'Neill, Mulgrew, O'Neill, Devlin, O'Neill, O'Neill, Cavanagh. O'Neill)
RESULT 0-10 to 0-9
Cassidy from Augher
Mickey OUT!
Sunday's Dr Kenna Cup scorelines
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup, full-times
Derry 0-10 0-13 UUJ
Donegal 0-11 1-05 Fermanagh
Monaghan 1-10 1-13 St Mary's
Down 0-16 0-09 Tyrone
Antrim 0-12 1-11 Cavan
Armagh 3-06 0-12 Queen's
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7823052.stm
Bit a good old fashioned robbery at Davitt Park today. Queens totally bossed the game until the last 10 mins when a bad goalkeeping error gave Armagh the boost they so badly needed. Ryan Henderson was the stand out Armagh player contributing 2-3 or 2-4, the only other Armagh players worth a mention are Clarke, Miceal O'Rourke and maybe Gareth Smyth in defence. It was pretty awful stuff from Armagh and apart from Henderson's performance little to offer hope for the forthcoming season.
Queens on the other hand were excellent and moved the ball tremendously well at times and should have won the game by half a dozen pts. Vernon was excellent until fading late on scored 0-2 and also won at least 3 frees from his strong running that brought scores, James Kielt and McGoldrick? were also very very good.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2009, 04:55:09 PM
Bit a good old fashioned robbery at Davitt Park today. Queens totally bossed the game until the last 10 mins when a bad goalkeeping error gave Armagh the boost they so badly needed. Ryan Henderson was the stand out Armagh player contributing 2-3 or 2-4, the only other Armagh players worth a mention are Clarke, Miceal O'Rourke and maybe Gareth Smyth in defence. It was pretty awful stuff from Armagh and apart from Henderson's performance little to offer hope for the forthcoming season.
Queens on the other hand were excellent and moved the ball tremendously well at times and should have won the game by half a dozen pts. Vernon was excellent until fading late on scored 0-2 and also won at least 3 frees from his strong running that brought scores, James Kielt and McGoldrick? were also very very good.
Second half was very enjoyable. Wind played a part. I thought Vince and Vernon had a nice battle with Vernon's two points probably just giving him the nod. Thought Marty was very good until he got the yellow. Smyth was excellent in defence and hardly put a foot wrong. Henderson was the stand out forward although Micheal done very well, won a lot of ball and was decent at the frees.
Young Rafferty also played well and Clarke showed a touch of class at times.
Lads how did the Queens full back McGovern play??
Quote from: FermGael on January 11, 2009, 05:06:43 PM
Lads how did the Queens full back McGovern play??
I think he was on Henderson because Howard was on O Rourke. If so, not good. Henderson hit 2-4 I think.
Yeah, disappointing stuff from armagh. defence looked a shambles in the first half with every one of the queens forward on top. vernon was breaking forward un tracked and queens paroably deserved to be further ahead than 10-2. stiff breeze though it must be said. big kielt was very dangerous inside and the wee queens wing forward ran the game.
clarke was poor again in the first half in his new role and the half forward line was brutal.
second half was obviously a different game with armagh dominating possession and piling forward. a few dubious frees and a bit of brilliance from clarke (though he took double figures in steps) got armagh back into it but its was very even contest. a complete howler from the queens keeper while a point up with a few minutes to go gifted armagh a probably undeserved win.
henderson is a classy finisher to have on the end of things, miceal o'rourke showed well, won some very tough ball and kicked his frees. clarke showed glimpses of class in possession. beyond that it was very poor. queens were very impressive and moven the ball very fast.
Poor showing from Monaghan today, but St Mary's good value for their win - and could have won by more. Serious turnaround for them after last week's result - will be interesting to see how Monaghan fare against Down now. St Mary's scored some great long range points.
Monaghan were very messy and were pretty much cleaned out at midfield. Rory Woods and Dessie Mone shown the line on a yellow card in first half. Ref didn't do Monaghan any favours either, not that it would have made much difference to the result.
who did all the scoring for st marys?
Couldn't tell you to be honest. Match programme with no numbers is as useful as a chocolate teapot.
Glad to see we can STILL beat the All-Ireland champions :P
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 11, 2009, 05:16:30 PM
Poor showing from Monaghan today, but St Mary's good value for their win - and could have won by more. Serious turnaround for them after last week's result - will be interesting to see how Monaghan fare against Down now. St Mary's scored some great long range points.
Monaghan were very messy and were pretty much cleaned out at midfield. Rory Woods and Dessie Mone shown the line on a yellow card in first half. Ref didn't do Monaghan any favours either, not that it would have made much difference to the result.
Shock of the day if you ask me !
Probably is, but as you would expect, Monaghan had an experimental side (although did have a good few regulars too) and St Mary's can't have been anywhere near that good against Down last week.
Down did well today but Tyrone really ran out of steam in the third quarter.From the home perspective, the defence was the bonus- particularly the new men and the returning Rafferty and Cole. Joe Ireland was MOM at midfield- never stopped for 70 minutes and quality throughout. Michael Magee was the pick of the forwards so plenty to work from-next up Monaghan at Inniskeen on Wednesday.
For Tyrone, Devine wasn't troubled- Peter Donnelly did well enough at FB and you would have expected more from a HB line of Jordan, Cavanagh and Harte. Hughes and Cassidy OK at MF but Down shaded it.Mellon and Mc Gugan didn't look fit, O'Neill showed flashes of genius but was dispossed too easily on at least two occasions.Mc Mahon and Mc Ginley did nothing when they came on.They might struggle against the Ranch in Omagh on Wednesday- it is a good opportunity for Tally to settle a few scores.
Agree about the absence of squad numbers in the programme- poor show Ulster Council - what is the use ?
Pitch held up well, Ref OK - couple of silly ones but let game flow and it did - fair play to both teams.
So far , I've been balanced but have to say, you'll never beat the Down men !
Not much to write home about in Newry today. Tyrone did quite well in the first half but died completely in the last twenty minutes which allowed a fitter Down team stroll to a relatively comfortable win in the end. Up until those last twenty minutes, Peter Donnelly and Sean Cavanagh (yes Sean Cavanagh!!) were manning the centre of Tyrone's defence quite well while Stevie O'Neill was easily the best forward on the field - obviously benefitting somewhat from the fact that he was doing his own bit of training while most of the Tyrone guys were on holiday.
Of the newcomers, Augher midfielder Aidan Cassidy and Stewartstown forward Gareth Devlin did themselves no harm with decent displays. Cassidy won a fair amount of ball in the first half and used it well, while Devlin showed well and was also on the ball quite a bit during those opening thirty minutes. However, I would like to think all of the Tyrone players will have benefitted in some way from this first outing of the year.
Down have amassed a good scoring average in their first two games and should now top this group. But with St Mary's causing the upset of the day by beating Monaghan, it is still all to play for in this section. All four teams (if they are interested) still stand a chance of qualifying for the semi-finals!
Just a final word on the south Armagh referee Padraig Hughes. I thought him a very strange choice to take charge of this game, given his close proximity and previous history with both counties. However, he actually did a decent enough job and never produced one yellow card in the entire match. I never thought I would see the day when I would give this gentleman some credit!!
I just LOVE IT when Down beat us early in the Season! Start the shaving strike now!! ;D ;D
Down 0-16 0-9 Tyrone
Holders Down hit nine unanswered points in the second half to beat jetlagged Tyrone in Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash at Newry. The sides were level at 0-6 apiece at the break but after moving 0-8 to 0-7 ahead, Tyrone folded as Down reeled off the decisive scores. Michael Magee hit four Down points with John Fegan, Danny Hughes, Hugh Davey and Benny Coulter also adding scorers. Stephen O'Neill top-scored for Tyrone with seven points. Three of O'Neill's points came in the opening half with Tommy McGuigan and Gareth Devlin also on target for the Red Hands. The 3,750 spectators were treated to some tight exchanges early on as Hugh Davey hit two Down points while Magee and impressive midfielder Joseph Ireland also contributed scores. Sean Cavanagh started at centre half-back for Tyrone while the starting line-up also included regulars John Devine, Davy Harte and Kevin Hughes. Ronan Sexton had a goal chance for the Mourne men before the break but the ball was deflected wide for a 45. Tyrone's Tommy McGuigan didn't reappear for the second half but the Red Hands started brightly with points from O'Neill and Cavanagh helping them move 0-8 to 0-7 ahead.At that stage, Peter Donnelly and Cavanagh were doing well in the middle third of field but all of a sudden, the Tyrone tank seemed empty as Down took complete control. Magee, John Fegan (0-3), sub Coulter (0-2) and John Boyle were all among the scorers as Down struck their nine unanswered points. Davey and Conor Garvey were impressing in the Down defence while Ireland, Magee and Fegan were all causing their markers major problems. O'Neill had the final scoring say in injury-time as Tyrone ended a 25-minute scoring drought.
The victory moves Down on to four points in Section B and a draw in their final game against Monaghan will be enough to guarantee a semi-final place.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7823121.stm
Down took another positive step in the defence of their Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup title with a win over All-Ireland champions Tyrone in front of a crowd of 3,750 in Newry on Sunday.
Taken from www.gaa.ie
Down made a lively start with scores from Conor Garvey and Michael Magee, but the sides were level three times in the opening quarter, Raymond Mulgrew and Stephen ONeill on target for Tyrone.Two superb long-range scores, kicked into the gusting breeze by wing-back Hugh Davey, helped the Mourne men pull two points clear by the 27th minute, but the Red Hands finished the first half strongly when newcomer Gareth Devlin raced through for a fine individual point, before ONeill brought his tally to three. Down crafted a goal chance in the dying moments of the half when Danny Hughes sent Ronan Sexton through, but Cavanagh saved the day with a wonderful tackle. The sides were deadlocked on 0-06 each at the break, and Cavanagh kicked Tyrone ahead for the first time six minutes into the second-half. The home support were bracing themselves for an onslaught from the All-Ireland champions, but it was Down who turned on the power with a devastating final 20 minutes. They simply blew the Red Hands away, hitting nine points without reply. John Fegan, John Boyle, Magee, Daniel Hughes and substitute Danny Hughes all hit quality scores as the Tyrone challenge crumbled. Even the introduction of more big guns from the bench could not turn the tide for a Tyrone side that in all called on 11 players who helped beat Kerry back in September. But it was another good day at the office for Ross Carrs men, and while the Down boss was remaining cautious in his reflections on this thumping win, he saw many positives after his side demolished the Tyrone challenge in a one-sided final 20 minutes. "Were very happy, but I think we have got to put it in perspective too," Down boss Ross Carr admitted. "You had a team who have won the All-Ireland and have just come back from a fortnights holidays on Friday. Were delighted with our own work, but youve got to put it in perspective too. "We asked the boys last week and again today to use it as a training session, and thats what theyre doing. Theyre trying to blow out the cobwebs from the break, but again I wouldnt go overboard on it either. "Were very happy with the way we played, but we know that there are massive tasks ahead."
Down: B McVeigh, D Rafferty, M Cole, C Garvey [0-1], K McKernan, L Sloan, H Davey [0-2], J Lynch, J Ireland [0-1], R Sexton, J Boyle [0-1], D Hughes [0-2], J Fegan [0-3, 2f], C Magee, M Magee [0-4, 3f].
Subs: A Carr for McKernan [H/T], K Duffin for Rafferty [45], B Coulter [0-2] for C Magee [48]
Tyrone: J Devine, M Swift, P Donnelly, M McGee, D Harte, S Cavanagh [0-1], P Jordan, K Hughes, A Cassidy, R Mellon, C Doris, G Devlin [0-1], R Mulgrew [0-1], S ONeill [0-5, 3f], T McGuigan [0-1].
Subs: J McMahon for McGuigan [H/T] E McGinley for Doris [50], M Penrose for Mellon [52]
Referee: P Hughes [Armagh]
Wides: Down 12, Tyrone 8
Yellow cards: None
Red cards: None
Sunday also saw five other games down for decision in the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup.
In Section A, UUJ shocked National League champions Derry at Ballinascreen on a 0-13 to 0-10 scoreline while in Ballyshannon, John Joe Dohertys Donegal had three points to spare over Fermanagh.
Monaghan emerged on the wrong side of a 1-10 to 1-13 scoreline with St Marys in their Section B match at Emyvale. The Farney County had both Rory Woods and Dessie Mone sent-off.
Up in Casement Park, Antrim could not make home advantage count as they went down by two points to Tommy Carrs Cavan.
Finally, Armagh came from the dead to beat Queens University by four points. Ryan Henderson was the toast of the Orchard County after scoring three late goals.
http://www.downgaa.net/
Derry 0-10 0-13 UUJ
UUJ beat Derry 0-13 to 0-10 in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup Section A game at Ballinascreen.Derry led 0-7 to 0-4 at half-time but UUJ fought back to win and put a major dent in Derry's hopes of making the semi-finals of the competition.Ciaran Donnelly scored eight points from frees for UUJ, three in the first half and five in the second period, and they next play Fermanagh on Wednesday. Seamus Bradley top-scored for Derry with three frees. The Oak Leafers drew their opening game against Fermanagh last week and now face Donegal next Sunday with only one point from their opening two fixtures. Adrian McGuckin's UUJ side lost to Donegal last week but still have a chance to qualify as they prepare to head to Enniskillen on Wednesday night.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7823093.stm
Donegal 0-11 1-5 Fermanagh
Donegal held off Fermanagh at windy Ballyshannon to register their second win of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup. Two Odhran Doherty points helped Donegal lead 0-5 to 0-1 and the home side led 0-6 to 0-3 at the break. Brian Roper and Kevin McMenamin points extended Donegal's lead but Seamus Ryder replied with a Fermanagh goal. McMenamin brought his total up to four as Donegal moved four ahead and while Daniel Killie struck two Fermanagh scores, the home side held on. Kevin Rafferty had the final scoring say with a shot which appeared to be going wide, only for a gust of wind to blow it between the posts. The windy and wet conditions at Father Tierney Park contributed to a low turnout of spectators. The wind was largely blowing across the pitch although any advantage that there was, helped the home team in the opening period. After Odhran Doherty's early point, Michael Doherty had a Donegal goal chance but his shot skimmed over the bar. Fermanagh targetman Seamus Ryder hit his team's first score and the Erne team's main tactic in the first half was to lump as many high balls as possible into the Donegal full-back line. However, the majority of the action was at the other end as points from McMenamin, Odhran Doherty and Conal Dunne extended Donegal's lead to four. An excellent Killie free and Ryan Keenan's point, after more direct play, cut the margin to two points but Neil Gallagher's wind-assisted effort left Donegal 0-6 to 0-3 ahead at the break. Brian Roper, equalling Matt Gallagher's record of 147 Donegal appearances, hit the opening score of the second half and McMenamin quickly added another point. However, Fermanagh were back in the game on 40 minutes with Ryder hammering to the net after Donegal goalkeeper Paul Durcan had hesitated instead of gathering a Ryan Keenan miskick. But the lead was increased to four by the 44th minute as McMenamin responded with two points from play. Two Killie scores halved Donegal's lead by the 63rd minute but Fermanagh never really threatened to get on terms. Rafferty hit the final score of the match two minutes from time. Tyrone referee Stephen McNamee handed out only one yellow card, with Fermanagh's Eamon Maguire having the enforced departure 13 minutes from time.
A draw in their final Section A game against Derry will be enough to guarantee Donegal a place in the semi-finals.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7823149.stm
Poor enough game in Newry. Didn't expect too much from Tyrone given the circumstances. Cassidy and Devlin were the best of the newcomers and great to see Stevie O'Neill injury free and looking sharp. Half forward line was poor and we ran out of steam for last 25 mins. Hub Hughes kicked another 3 or 4 very poor wides today - you cant afford to be greedy when you cant shoot. It will ovbviously be a very changed line up for Wednesday night were a big win is needed to make the last game worthwhile.
Armagh 3-6 0-12 Queen's
Armagh secured their second victory in Section C of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup with a 3-6 to 0-12 win over Queen's at Lurgan on Sunday afternoon. Queen's led 0-10 to 0-2 at the interval but Armagh replied with a goal by Ronan Clarke and then two goals from Ryan Henderson in the last seven minutes. James Kielt scored 0-5 for Queen's and Charlie Vernon contributed 0-2. The students face Antrim in their final group match on Wednesday night while Armagh travel to Cavan next Saturday. Trailing by eight points at half-time, Clarke brought the Orchard county back into Sunday's match with a goal 12 minutes into the second half and then turned provider by supplying the ammunition for Henderson's goals. Three yellow cards were dished out in the game, to Paul Courtney of Queen's in the first half, and Armagh's Martin O'Rourke and Brendan Donaghy in the second. Armagh have four points from their two games, Queen's and Cavan have two and Antrim have yet to open their account.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7823103.stm
Quote from: corn02 on January 11, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2009, 04:55:09 PM
Bit a good old fashioned robbery at Davitt Park today. Queens totally bossed the game until the last 10 mins when a bad goalkeeping error gave Armagh the boost they so badly needed. Ryan Henderson was the stand out Armagh player contributing 2-3 or 2-4, the only other Armagh players worth a mention are Clarke, Miceal O'Rourke and maybe Gareth Smyth in defence. It was pretty awful stuff from Armagh and apart from Henderson's performance little to offer hope for the forthcoming season.
Queens on the other hand were excellent and moved the ball tremendously well at times and should have won the game by half a dozen pts. Vernon was excellent until fading late on scored 0-2 and also won at least 3 frees from his strong running that brought scores, James Kielt and McGoldrick? were also very very good.
Second half was very enjoyable. Wind played a part. I thought Vince and Vernon had a nice battle with Vernon's two points probably just giving him the nod. Thought Marty was very good until he got the yellow. Smyth was excellent in defence and hardly put a foot wrong. Henderson was the stand out forward although Micheal done very well, won a lot of ball and was decent at the frees.
Young Rafferty also played well and Clarke showed a touch of class at times.
Come one Corn I'll accept a bit of club bias but Vernon just getting the nod over Vincie Martin?! Charlie completely bossed midfield and was easily the best player on the pitch. Hopefully its good news from an Armagh perspective and I'd like to see him given a run at midfield in the League.
As for Armagh, we were very very fortunate to get a victory in a game dominated by the wind. Henderson did very well, particularly in the first half getting both of Armagh's scores while against the breeze and deprived of possesion - didn't have much to do for either of the goals but he was in the right place at the right time. Definitely deserves a run of games in the league. Apart from that Michael O'Rourke did alright and was accurate from frees and Ronan Clarke showed the odd touch of class. Very average performance though. McEvoy had very little to do on his debut but fluffed a couple of early kick outs. Couldn't judge him yet. Marty O'Rourke was lucky to stay on the pitch as long as he did. With these new rules, he's really going to have to curb the petulant side to his performances.
Yeah fair enough TAC, reading all other posts I was probably a bit harsh on Vernon. I was in late so missed his first point, Was more wtahcing Vince than Vernon and Vince done ok and burst through a lot of challenges and caught a bit so was basing it on that. But Vernon did stand out a lot. Potential midfielder this year?
Any1 post the Queens starting line up from yesterday?
Good to see Tyrone back in action, although not much was expected of a team made up largely of fringe players and most of whom were only back from the team holiday. In particular, brilliant to see SON back in action and scoring against a Down side with many championship regulars. I am glad lessons have been learnt from the past few years with regard to how MH views the McKenna cup.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2009, 09:15:39 AM
Good to see Tyrone back in action, although not much was expected of a team made up largely of fringe players and most of whom were only back from the team holiday. In particular, brilliant to see SON back in action and scoring against a Down side with many championship regulars. I am glad lessons have been learnt from the past few years with regard to how MH views the McKenna cup.
In what way Nrico?
Stevie O'Neill racked up 7 out of Tyrone's 9 points? That stat is even better than a win!
Quote from: under the bar on January 12, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
Stevie O'Neill racked up 7 out of Tyrone's 9 points? That stat is even better than a win!
Many frees?
Quote from: under the bar on January 12, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
Stevie O'Neill racked up 7 out of Tyrone's 9 points? That stat is even better than a win!
7 seems a bit high. From memory, McGuigan got 2, Mannies got 1 and Big Sean got 1.
From BBC:
Down 0-16 0-9 Tyrone
Down's Paul Murphy is challenged by Tyrone's Michael McGee
Holders Down hit nine unanswered points in the second half to beat jetlagged Tyrone in Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup clash at Newry.
The sides were level at 0-6 apiece at the break but after moving 0-8 to 0-7 ahead, Tyrone folded as Down reeled off the decisive scores.
Michael Magee hit four Down points with John Fegan, Danny Hughes, Hugh Davey and Benny Coulter also adding scorers.
Stephen O'Neill top-scored for Tyrone with seven points.
Three of O'Neill's points came in the opening half with Tommy McGuigan and Gareth Devlin also on target for the Red Hands.
The 3,750 spectators were treated to some tight exchanges early on as Hugh Davey hit two Down points while Magee and impressive midfielder Joseph Ireland also contributed scores.
Sean Cavanagh started at centre half-back for Tyrone while the starting line-up also included regulars John Devine, Davy Harte and Kevin Hughes.
Ronan Sexton had a goal chance for the Mourne men before the break but the ball was deflected wide for a 45.
Tyrone's Tommy McGuigan didn't reappear for the second half but the Red Hands started brightly with points from O'Neill and Cavanagh helping them move 0-8 to 0-7 ahead.
At that stage, Peter Donnelly and Cavanagh were doing well in the middle third of field but all of a sudden, the Tyrone tank seemed empty as Down took complete control.
Magee, John Fegan (0-3), sub Coulter (0-2) and John Boyle were all among the scorers as Down struck their nine unanswered points.
Davey and Conor Garvey were impressing in the Down defence while Ireland, Magee and Fegan were all causing their markers major problems.
O'Neill had the final scoring say in injury-time as Tyrone ended a 25-minute scoring drought.
The victory moves Down on to four points in Section B and a draw in their final game against Monaghan will be enough to guarantee a semi-final place.
Couldn't tell you how accurate that is.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2009, 06:44:36 PM
Derry 0-10 0-13 UUJ
UUJ beat Derry 0-13 to 0-10 in Sunday's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup Section A game at Ballinascreen.Derry led 0-7 to 0-4 at half-time but UUJ fought back to win and put a major dent in Derry's hopes of making the semi-finals of the competition.Ciaran Donnelly scored eight points from frees for UUJ, three in the first half and five in the second period, and they next play Fermanagh on Wednesday. Seamus Bradley top-scored for Derry with three frees. The Oak Leafers drew their opening game against Fermanagh last week and now face Donegal next Sunday with only one point from their opening two fixtures. Adrian McGuckin's UUJ side lost to Donegal last week but still have a chance to qualify as they prepare to head to Enniskillen on Wednesday night.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7823093.stm
Well that isn't right either, he did get three frees but he also scored two from play
Previously MH would have played alot of the bigger Tyrone players and this has came back to haunt Tyrone throughout the season with lots of the key players picking up injuries etc. In 2006 and 2007 Tyrone were flying in the McKenna Cup but seemed to go downhill as the season wore on - it could be a coincidence, or maybe not. I'm not saying that the McKenna Cup is entirely responsible, but there is enough football to be played with the league and its important to rest a certain number of key players when the chance is there. Its a good opportunity for MH to run his eyes over fringe players or newcomers also and give returning players like SON some valuable game time.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2009, 09:15:39 AM
Good to see Tyrone back in action, although not much was expected of a team made up largely of fringe players and most of whom were only back from the team holiday. In particular, brilliant to see SON back in action and scoring against a Down side with many championship regulars. I am glad lessons have been learnt from the past few years with regard to how MH views the McKenna cup.
Harte started 7 or 8 established county players and brought on a few more , Probably the same as Down .
Mickey Harte called on 11 of the all-ireland winning side according to RTE, of Down's 15+ yesterday about 9 played championship football last year (open to correction)
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 12, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
Mickey Harte called on 11 of the all-ireland winning side according to RTE, of Down's 15+ yesterday about 9 played championship football last year (open to correction)
Did Michaela get a run out?
Monaghan 1-10 1-13 St Marys
B Mullan, M Digney, C McElhone, K O'Boyle, S O'Neill (0-1), J McMahon (0-1), B Óg Maguire (0-1), G O'Neill, M McKenna, B McGoldrick (0-2), K Niblock, N McSherry, C McGourty (1-6), J Kelly, M Pollock (0-2).
Subs - M Murray for Digney, J Cunningham for McSherry, P Carvill for Niblock.
P McBennett, G McEnaney, JP Mone, Edmund Lennon, D Clerkin, D Mone, K Hughes, Eoin Lennon (Capt., 0-1), B McKenna, M McNally (0-1), M Downey (0-1), C McManus (1-1), R Woods, S Smyth (0-1), P Meegan (0-1).
Subs - P Finlay (0-2) for Woods, J Conlon for D Mone, T Freeman (0-1) for McNally, S Gollogly (0-1) for Meegan, M McNally for JP Mone
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
Previously MH would have played alot of the bigger Tyrone players and this has came back to haunt Tyrone throughout the season with lots of the key players picking up injuries etc. In 2006 and 2007 Tyrone were flying in the McKenna Cup but seemed to go downhill as the season wore on - it could be a coincidence, or maybe not. I'm not saying that the McKenna Cup is entirely responsible, but there is enough football to be played with the league and its important to rest a certain number of key players when the chance is there. Its a good opportunity for MH to run his eyes over fringe players or newcomers also and give returning players like SON some valuable game time.
That doesn't make sence resting players at the start of a season after the majority haven't played for over 2 months.
O'Neill didn't get 7 pts, he got 5 (3 from frees), Cavanagh, Mulgrew, Devlin and McGuigan got a point each
Good old BBC eh?
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 12, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
That doesn't make sence resting players at the start of a season after the majority haven't played for over 2 months.
I would disagree, the chances of a key player picking up an injury are greatly increased if they play competitive county football for 9 months of the year, rather than coming in towards the latter stages of the league. A break of two months is hardly a lifetime away from the game. Some of the older players need a bit of time out so I'm with nrico on this one.
Quote from: Rois on January 12, 2009, 12:21:44 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 12, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
That doesn't make sence resting players at the start of a season after the majority haven't played for over 2 months.
I would disagree, the chances of a key player picking up an injury are greatly increased if they play competitive county football for 9 months of the year, rather than coming in towards the latter stages of the league. A break of two months is hardly a lifetime away from the game. Some of the older players need a bit of time out so I'm with nrico on this one.
We don't have that luxury in cavan :(
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 12, 2009, 12:23:48 PM
We don't have that luxury in cavan :(
Well, learn from the master, have your major players rest during the McKenna Cup :P
Queens lineout vs armagh
1. f.Murphy (fermanagh)
2.L. Howard (Down)
3. N.mcgovern (fermanagh)
4. H.gallagher (tyrone)
5. R.Dillion (derry)
6. D. O'Hagan (antrim)
7. J.Crozier (Antrim)
8. P.Courtney (armagh)
9. C.vernon (armagh)
10. B Mcardle (down)
11. C. Mcginn (down)
12. SL Mcgoldrick (derry)
13. J.Keilt (derry)
14. S. Oneil (tyrone)
15. K. leonard (fermanagh)
If queens beat antrim on wednesday then they should be the first university team to qualify for the mckenna cup semi finals
Quote from: downgirl on January 11, 2009, 05:31:46 PM
Glad to see we can STILL beat the All-Ireland champions :P
When did you last beat all ireland champions?
Quote from: The GAA on January 12, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: downgirl on January 11, 2009, 05:31:46 PM
Glad to see we can STILL beat the All-Ireland champions :P
When did you last beat all ireland champions?
Yesterday.
Quote from: Big Mickey on January 12, 2009, 12:28:53 PM
Queens lineout vs armagh
1. f.Murphy (fermanagh)
2.L. Howard (Down)
3. N.mcgovern (fermanagh)
4. H.gallagher (tyrone)
5. R.Dillion (derry)
6. D. O'Hagan (antrim)
7. J.Crozier (Antrim)
8. P.Courtney (armagh)
9. C.vernon (armagh)
10. B Mcardle (down)
11. C. Mcginn (down)
12. SL Mcgoldrick (derry)
13. J.Keilt (derry)
14. S. Oneil (tyrone)
15. K. leonard (fermanagh)
If queens beat antrim on wednesday then they should be the first university team to qualify for the mckenna cup semi finals
Did UUJ not qualify for the semi's within the last couple of years?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 12, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: The GAA on January 12, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: downgirl on January 11, 2009, 05:31:46 PM
Glad to see we can STILL beat the All-Ireland champions :P
When did you last beat all ireland champions?
Yesterday.
Are you not able to follow simple english?
after yesterday downgirl proclaimed that down could still beat all ireland champions. i was wondering when it happened previously...
Quote from: The GAA on January 12, 2009, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 12, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: The GAA on January 12, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: downgirl on January 11, 2009, 05:31:46 PM
Glad to see we can STILL beat the All-Ireland champions :P
When did you last beat all ireland champions?
Yesterday.
Are you not able to follow simple english?
after yesterday downgirl proclaimed that down could still beat all ireland champions. i was wondering when it happened previously...
Your question was 'When did you last beat all ireland champions?'
I assume the 'you' referred to Down. Therefore the answer to your question is yesterday. True or false brainiac?
incorrect. in the context of her statement, yesterday's win was claimed as a further victory over all ireland champions. i merely asked which victory it had been predated by.
Quote from: The GAA on January 12, 2009, 01:33:40 PM
incorrect. in the context of her statement, yesterday's win was claimed as a further victory over all ireland champions. i merely asked which victory it had been predated by.
The answer I gave was correct for the question you posed.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2009, 09:15:39 AM
Good to see Tyrone back in action, although not much was expected of a team made up largely of fringe players and most of whom were only back from the team holiday. In particular, brilliant to see SON back in action and scoring against a Down side with many championship regulars. I am glad lessons have been learnt from the past few years with regard to how MH views the McKenna cup.
Down had preety much a reserve team out:
Brendan McVeighDamian Rafferty
Kevin McKernan
Martin ColeConor Garvey (0-1)
Louis Sloan
Hugh Davey (0-2)
Joseph Ireland (0-1)
Jackie Lynch
John Fegan (0-4)
John Boyle (0-1)
Ronan SextonMichael Magee (0-3)
Cathal Magee
Daniel Hughes (0-2)I make it 4 championship regulars
Quote from: The GAA on January 12, 2009, 01:33:40 PM
incorrect. in the context of her statement, yesterday's win was claimed as a further victory over all ireland champions. i merely asked which victory it had been predated by.
::) ::)
In fairness , Rafferty , McKernan ,Fegan and Lynch have played in the Championship as well .
Does anyone have the leaderboard for the Gaelic Life Dr. McKenna Cup Fantasy Football competition?
Thanks
Quote from: downredblack on January 12, 2009, 01:54:17 PM
In fairness , Rafferty , McKernan ,Fegan and Lynch have played in the Championship as well .
But they are not championship regulars.
Rafferty has spent 3 of the last 5 years on the sidlines.
Fegan made his championsghip debut last year as did McKernan whilst big Jack never got look in last summer and won't this year if Ambrose, Colgan or Ireland are available to partner Dan.
Theres a big difference between somone who has played in the championship and someone who is a 'championship regular'.
I'd expect Rafferty and McKernan to be close to our starting 15 come the summer .
Colgan ??
I agree but with Colgan he's another one of these frustrating fellas, good at underage and colleges level but reamains to be seen what he can do at senior county level (if he gets a chance). I would like to be see hime along side Dan with Ambrose on the 40. Although I would also like to see Mickey Walsh in there too, so my thoughts on team selection dont mean sh*t. Its a long way to the summer and a full strength squad with promotion from Division 3 the main priority before we can think about the championship.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 12, 2009, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on January 12, 2009, 01:46:22 PM
Hugh Davey (0-2)
This guy had a very good game yesterday, kept Ryan mellon well busy, hit 2 clinking points as well. Looks like a championship player to me. what club is he from?
Newry Shamrocks, went to Blackburn to play soccer when he was younger, didn't work out, was in america for a while as well, then back last year...
Tyrone only had 5 of their starting Championship team out.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2009, 03:16:43 PM
Tyrone only had 5 of their starting Championship team out.
Nobody disputed this
QuoteHarte started 7 or 8 established county players and brought on a few more , Probably the same as Down .
QuoteMickey Harte called on 11 of the all-ireland winning side according to RTE, of Down's 15+ yesterday about 9 played championship football last year (open to correction)
yes apologies it wasnt 11 that i can see, it was just the 10 that played at some stage in both games,
look dont get me wrong i think we all know that its little more than a friendly and tyrone were only back from the states, it wasnt the biggest of achievements but for you to get so worked up about it, well if it was the other way round i wouldnt be worrying to much!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 12, 2009, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on January 12, 2009, 01:46:22 PM
Hugh Davey (0-2)
This guy had a very good game yesterday, kept Ryan mellon well busy, hit 2 clinking points as well. Looks like a championship player to me. what club is he from?
Took some abuse from Down posters last year, did he have a good league for Shamrocks or why the change?
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 12, 2009, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on January 12, 2009, 01:46:22 PM
Hugh Davey (0-2)
This guy had a very good game yesterday, kept Ryan mellon well busy, hit 2 clinking points as well. Looks like a championship player to me. what club is he from?
Took some abuse from Down posters last year, did he have a good league for Shamrocks or why the change?
He didn't really take abuse, the management did, and it was more due to the fact he had only just got back from america, and was drafted straight into the panel without playing much for the club or anything, just seemed a bit desperate from the management...
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section A
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Fermanagh U.U.J Brewster Park Enniskillen Ferm 14/01/2009 19:30 Gavin Corrigan
Derry Donegal Ballinascreen 18/01/2009 14:00 Gregory Walsh
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section B
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Tyrone St. Marys Healy Park Omagh Tyrone 14/01/2009 19:30 Raymond Doone
Monaghan Down Inniskeen 14/01/2009 19:30 Jimmy McKee Round 3
Tyrone Monaghan Healy Park Omagh Tyrone 18/01/2009 14:00 John Joe Cleary
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Section C
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee
Antrim Queens University Casement Park Belfast Antrim 14/01/2009 19:30 Barry Toland
Cavan Armagh Kingspan Breffni Park Cavan 17/01/2009 19:30 Leo Smyth
Donegal 2 2 0 0 3-25 1-18 1.619 4
UUJ 2 1 0 1 0-26 3.24 0.788 2
Derry 2 0 1 1 1-17 0-23 0.870 1
Ferman 2 0 1 1 1-15 1-18 0.857 1
Down 2 2 0 0 3-32 0-19 2.158 4
Mary's 2 1 0 1 1-23 4-26 0.684 2
Mon 2 0 0 1 1-10 1-13 0.813 0
Tyrone 1 0 0 1 0-9 0-16 0.563 0
Armagh 2 2 0 0 3-18 0-22 1.227 4
Queen's 2 1 0 1 3-25 3-18 1.259 2
Cavan 2 1 0 1 1-23 3-25 0.765 2
Antrim 2 0 0 2 0-22 1-23 0.846 0
I would urge Tyrone fan s not to panic.
Can someone tell me whether the Monaghan vs. Down game is at 7.30pm or 8pm tomorrow night?
The Ulster GAA website says 7.30pm but the Monaghan one says 8pm.
7.30pm seems more likely I would have thought.
Quote from: rrhf on January 13, 2009, 02:29:51 PM
I would urge Tyrone fan s not to panic.
I would urge Armagh fans not to get excited.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2009, 02:34:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 03:50:35 PM
Mickey OUT!
Quote from: rrhf on January 13, 2009, 02:29:51 PM
I would urge Tyrone fan s not to panic.
Too late!
rrhf, of course it is time to panic.....we are bottom of section B.....we have the worst scoring average in the whole competition....ricey, dooher, mccullagh, gormley and mcguigan have all retired.....sean cavanagh no longer wants to play midfield or attack....we are fecked altogether.....the end is nigh.
All Wednesday games have a 7.30pm throw-in. I am hearing reports that Tyrone may not be fielding for reasons already stated.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 12, 2009, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 12, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 12, 2009, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on January 12, 2009, 01:46:22 PM
Hugh Davey (0-2)
This guy had a very good game yesterday, kept Ryan mellon well busy, hit 2 clinking points as well. Looks like a championship player to me. what club is he from?
Newry Shamrocks, went to Blackburn to play soccer when he was younger, didn't work out, was in america for a while as well, then back last year...
Aye right thats why he was so good then, he was playing on his home patch, distinct advantage over everyone else ;D
He went over to University in Daytona, Florida on a soccer scholarship and played semi-professional there for 4 years. He graduated last summer and came home.
see this profile: http://daytona.embryriddlesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11500&ATCLID=541200 (http://daytona.embryriddlesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11500&ATCLID=541200)
Tonights matches
19:30 Fermanagh evens Draw 7-1 UUJ evens
19:30 Tyrone 2-5 Draw 15-1 St Marys 12-5
19:30 Monaghan 11-10 Draw 7-1 Down 10-11
19:30 Antrim 11-10 Draw 7-1 QUB 10-11
Queens 10/11,that is a banker in my book!!!Would double that up with Down too
Tyrone, Down and QUB pays just over 4/1, 5.10 back for a pound stake
Not sure on tyrone team yet but still fancy them 2nite.All the fringe players that didnt play against down are playin 2nite plus they are at home and have to win to keep themselves in the competition.Headin to the game so hopin for a mild evening lol:)
big consolation for Tyrone is that I have a suspicion that Queens, St marys, and UUAnytown will not be at the business end of the Ulster championship when the medals are being handed out.
You don't know that.
Tyrone, Down and QUB sounds good. If thought fermanagh had similar team to the one they've had in the previous two i'd go j'town too, but think malachy wont want a winless campaign.
What bookies will I get these games in, in south belfast? Cant imagine them being on the board in my local A McLeans...
Personally I would stay away from Down.
Mite not get them in a bookies,online mite be ur only shout?? William hill not doin them for sure >:( Fermanagh didnt look great at weeknd on tv,would go for Poly myself if i had to choose!Sigerson gettin closer,need to be startin to perform!
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 01:36:33 PM
Mite not get them in a bookies,online mite be ur only shout?? William hill not doin them for sure >:( Fermanagh didnt look great at weeknd on tv,would go for Poly myself if i had to choose!Sigerson gettin closer,need to be startin to perform!
Frank what date is the Poly QUB match??
Round 2 – 04.02.09, so today 3 weeks
G QUB v UUJ
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 01:49:10 PM
Round 2 – 04.02.09, so today 3 weeks
G QUB v UUJ
I heard it is in Cork, but that can't be right surely?
27.02.09/28.02.09 - Semi-Finals and Final @ Cork IT
The finals weekend is in Cork,i would imagine the poly game will be in Casement!!
I may need to organise a meeting for that Wednesday then ;D
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
I may need to organise a meeting for that Wednesday then ;D
Game and then sesh? What bout Saturday, still a yes?
Game mite actually be out at the Dub,they have played a few times there in sigerson games!!Crowd is only a few feet from the line,great atmosphere and game usually!! No Love lost thats for sure!
Def no sesh Corn I can guarantee that, will be hard enough to try and make the game!!
Saturday is still a yesh ;D
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 02:08:43 PM
Game mite actually be out at the Dub,they have played a few times there in sigerson games!!Crowd is only a few feet from the line,great atmosphere and game usually!! No Love lost thats for sure!
The Sigerson final a few years back was one of the best I have ever seen, some atmosphere.
I love matches at the Dub, as you say crowd right on the pitch.
Was lookin at team news there,tyrone are likely to have 5 debuts tonight with at least three of them in attack.mite not be that easy to gel in a wind swept healy park against a college team that has been together a few months!! Forecast a very tight game with st marys fitness possibly playin a bit part,just my thoughts!!
Will the pitches stand up to the rain thats been teeming down all day?
Could be some postponements?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 13, 2009, 02:26:40 PM
Donegal 2 2 0 0 3-25 1-18 1.619 4
UUJ 2 1 0 1 0-26 3.24 0.788 2
Derry 2 0 1 1 1-17 0-23 0.870 1
Ferman 2 0 1 1 1-15 1-18 0.857 1
Down 2 2 0 0 3-32 0-19 2.158 4
Mary's 2 1 0 1 1-23 4-26 0.684 2
Mon 2 0 0 1 1-10 1-13 0.813 0
Tyrone 1 0 0 1 0-9 0-16 0.563 0
Armagh 2 2 0 0 3-18 0-22 1.227 4
Queen's 2 1 0 1 3-25 3-18 1.259 2
Cavan 2 1 0 1 1-23 3-25 0.765 2
Antrim 2 0 0 2 0-22 1-23 0.846 0
How on earth are the scoring averages calculated for the groups?
They could have a big say here.
Quote from: ExiledGael on January 14, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
How on earth are the scoring averages calculated for the groups?
In those tables, it's the ratio of scores for to scores against that is being shown. Dunno if this is what will be used to seperate teams.
Quote from: corn02 on January 14, 2009, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
I may need to organise a meeting for that Wednesday then ;D
Game and then sesh? What bout Saturday, still a yes?
Game and then sesh sounds good, like last years quarter final?? Did I win money off everyone that day??
Anyone know if Down v Monaghan game is still on with the weather?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 05:34:12 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 14, 2009, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
I may need to organise a meeting for that Wednesday then ;D
Game and then sesh? What bout Saturday, still a yes?
Game and then sesh sounds good, like last years quarter final?? Did I win money off everyone that day??
Last years quarter final??? Was I there???
QUB, UUJ, Tyrone and Monaghan if I was doing a bet.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 05:57:19 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 14, 2009, 05:34:12 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 14, 2009, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 14, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
I may need to organise a meeting for that Wednesday then ;D
Game and then sesh? What bout Saturday, still a yes?
Game and then sesh sounds good, like last years quarter final?? Did I win money off everyone that day??
Last years quarter final??? Was I there???
What year was it Jordanstown beat QUB at the Dub?? Last year wasn't it?? Vernon didnt play and Miceal had his head bandaged?? Paddy Hands scored a pile of frees? Then we all piled back to Renshaws after?? Musta been last year because the poly won it. About 8 months later!! :D
aye was last year surely.vernon was bench but never played.hands equalised in injury time.think the poly won by 3 or 4 in extra time.queens blew it in normal time.think the sigerson final was in april
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on January 14, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
aye was last year surely.vernon was bench but never played.hands equalised in injury time.think the poly won by 3 or 4 in extra time.queens blew it in normal time.think the sigerson final was in april
Aye the Polys bench was far stronger, remember Vernon was kitted out but wasn't fit. if he had played it would have been a different story I think
So, any scores? Any websites giving updates?
i woulda thought the best chance of updates would have been on this.duno what other counties are like but derry website def doesnt operate a latest score thing or anything like that.would have the thought the latest scores thread would be up and running!
Normally Q101 attends the tyrone matches but I cant seem to get onto it.
Country night on 5fm. Dont know any others that would do updates.
Yep q101 not working for me either.
latest score updates on another thread. http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=1835.2955
Monaghan 1-12 1-9 Down
Thomas Freeman scored Monaghan's goal against Down
Holders and Section B leaders Down suffered a three-point defeat at the hands of Monaghan in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup on Wednesday night.
A Thomas Freeman penalty after six minutes boosted Monaghan and helped them to a 1-7 to 0-3 lead at half-time.
Down, who had previously beaten Tyrone and St Mary's, got their goal deep into stoppage-time through Conor Garvey.
It was Monaghan's first win of the cup campaign and they now face Tyrone in Omagh on Sunday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7827188.stm
Tyrone v St Mary's
All-Ireland champions Tyrone picked up their first win of the season thanks to a strong second half showing in Omagh.
CJ McGourty tapped in a St Mary's goal after four minutes from close-range.
St Mary's hit four points in as many minutes through Antrim pair McGourty and Kevin Niblock, with two each, for a 1-7 to 0-4 interval advantage.
Goals from Owen Mulligan and Jason McAnulla and Conor O'Donnell sealed it for Tyrone, although McGourty brought his tally to 2-5 with a late goal.
Just through the door there from the game,entertainin stuff for the month of january!!St Marys very unlucky to come away with nothing,very well drilled side that caused alot of problems.That game will do Tyrone the world of good tho!!
what way did Tyrone line out bigfrank?
curran
mc ginn
p donnelly
pj quinn
harte0-01
joey mc mahon
swift
holmes
mc gahan
o donnell 1-01
tommy mc 0-01
penrose0-02
mc anulla 1-02
ryan t oneill0-01
mulligan1-00
5 subs came on:
Jordan
Kavanagh
Cassidy
McGee
O neill
Those scores are very close,cant mind who got the rest but thats a fair start
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 10:07:47 PM
curran
mc ginn
p donnelly
pj quinn
harte0-01
joey mc mahon
swift
holmes
mc gahan
o donnell 1-01
tommy mc
penrose0-02
mc anulla 1-02
ryan t oneill0-01
mulligan1-00
5 subs came on:
Jordan
Kavanagh
Cassidy
McGee
O neill
Those scores are very close,cant mind who got the rest but thats a fair start
Cheers. How'd Peter McGahan get on?
Came off 5 mins into second half injured,got a bang to the head! Didnt really do much first half,very quiet debut
Antrim 1-4 3-17 Queen's
Justin Crozier plotted the downfall of his native county Antrim
Two goals by Justin Crozier against his native county sent dominant Queen's on their way to a big win over Antrim in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.
Crozier, playing in the full-forward line, landed 2-1 in the first half against an experimental Saffrons side.
Tyrone's Shaun O'Neill got six points for the university side and also scored their third goal to give them a good chance of making the semi-finals.
Daragh Edwards netted the goal for a completely outplayed Antrim.
Fermanagh 1-11 1-9 UUJ
Late points from Michael Jones and Paul Ward secured a first win for Fermanagh in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.
UUJ dominated early on and were 1-5 to 0-2 up before Enda Ferris stole in for a fisted goal just before half-time.
Ryan McCloskey was red-carded and Darren Hughes yellow for an off-the-ball incident just after Ciaran Donnelly had netted for the visitors.
Three other UUJ men were shown yellow cards along with one from Fermanagh.
The students had to replace Aidan Girvan, Niall McKeever and sharpshooter Donnelly while Fermanagh lost the services of Martin McGrath.
Justy McMahon best player on the field by a mile, followed by Conor John Pius whom was gifted 2 of the handiest goals he'll get by Johnny Curran and PJ Quinn & the post. Kevin Niblock and Sean O'Neill also impressive for the Ranch. Judgment on Tyrone's new boys to be reserved until after the Monaghan game
Great goal by Mulligan. Is that Tyrone more or less out after Queens big win because there scoring average wont be good enough for best placed 2nd team?
Quote from: bigfrank on January 14, 2009, 10:04:14 PM
Just through the door there from the game,entertainin stuff for the month of january!!St Marys very unlucky to come away with nothing,very well drilled side that caused alot of problems.That game will do Tyrone the world of good tho!!
Puts Monaghan's result on Sunday into better perspective. Look's like Down's massive score against them was a fluke.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 14, 2009, 10:42:39 PM
Puts Monaghan's result on Sunday into better perspective. Look's like Down's massive score against them was a fluke.
Tally was lamenting the lack of Justin McMahon in the Down game in the IN today, and judging by his performance tonight he would appear to be the key man for the Ranch
Antrim fans - stop worrying. RTÉ's Aertel says you scored 1-14. It's not so bad after all.
just back from the pub after having a few hot whiskeys to get the feeling back into my cold limbs after a cold night in omagh. tyrone were lucky to win tonight as st marys put up a good performance. tyrone looked poor enough and will have alot to do before we head to croker at the end of the month. alot of stray passes and wrong decisions taken when passing the ball, a far cry from the kerry game. st marys would have us dead and buried if they had took half their chances in front of the posts.
is it me or is £8 steep enough for the standard of football that was on display tonight
I suppose, given the windy and very wet conditions in Omagh tonight, both Tyrone and St Mary's served up a decent enough contest. There were some really good scores but it was tame fare for the most part and it definitely had the feel of a challenge match. Not a yellow card in sight and little in the way of serious tackling.
St Mary's were desperately unlucky not to get something from this game. They deserved to be seven points ahead early in the second half and also missed quite a few good scoring chances. McGourty was the best forward on view and caused the Tyrone defence major headaches all night. His place kicking was also of a very high standard. Justin McMahon is the real deal alright and was a tower of strength for St Mary's at CHB. Marty Murray also played very well when he came on in the second half.
Paddy Tally will be a bit disappointed that the students could not hold on to their 2nd half lead. Although playing into a stiff wind after the break, I thought their more advanced level of fitness would have carried them through. Instead, it was Tyrone who finished strongest and dominated the final 15 minutes. It was a disjointed Tyrone display for long periods but they did create several goal chances during the match. Mugsy's goal was a cracker, while it was good to see McAnulla and O'Donnell also grabbing majors on their debuts.
Mickey went with a lot of new faces for this match but I am not sure he will have learned a great deal. Swift had a fairly good outing in defence while O'Donnell and McAnulla looked lively at times in attack for Tyrone. It was tough on the newcomers/fringe players to make much of an impression in what were very poor conditions, and it will be interesting to see how many get a further chance impress this Sunday against Monaghan in what will probably be Tyrone's last match before the NFL panel is named.
Finally, £8 is a bit steep into these McKenna Cup games. There were barely 1000 people in Omagh tonight and, while the weather probably kept a lot of people away, the admission fees set by the Ulster Council are doing little to attract Gaels to these matches.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2009, 11:36:27 PM
Donegal 2 2 0 0 3-25 1-18 1.619 4
Ferman 3 1 1 1 2-26 2-27 0.857 3
UUJ 3 1 0 2 1-35 4.35 0.808 2
Derry 2 0 1 1 1-17 0-23 0.870 1
Down 3 2 0 1 4-41 1-31 1.558 4
Mon 2 1 0 1 2-22 2-22 1.000 2
Tyrone 2 1 0 1 3-18 1-27 0.900 2
Mary's 3 1 0 2 3-34 7-37 0.741 2
Queen's 3 2 0 1 6-42 4-22 1.764 4
Armagh 2 2 0 0 3-18 0-22 1.227 4
Cavan 2 1 0 1 1-23 3-25 0.765 2
Antrim 3 0 0 3 1-26 4-40 0.557 0
Just a small point of order: Tyrone have actually conceded
2-27
Donegal 2 2 0 0 3-25 1-18 1.619 4
Ferman 3 1 1 1 2-26 2-27 0.857 3
UUJ 3 1 0 2 1-35 4.35 0.808 2
Derry 2 0 1 1 1-17 0-23 0.870 1
Down 3 2 0 1 4-41 1-31 1.558 4
Mon 2 1 0 1 2-22 2-22 1.000 2
Tyrone 2 1 0 1 3-18 2-27 0.818 2
Mary's 3 1 0 2 3-34 7-37 0.741 2
Queen's 3 2 0 1 6-42 4-22 1.764 4
Armagh 2 2 0 0 3-18 0-22 1.227 4
Cavan 2 1 0 1 1-23 3-25 0.765 2
Antrim 3 0 0 3 1-26 4-40 0.557 0
SORTED
Looking like Queen's, Down, Donegal, and Armagh to qualify....but you never know.
Good performance from queens last night in bad conditions. Antrim were Be Rootal.
Crozier was mighty at full forward throughout and vernon had a great second half. Queens defence was rock solid also. Loughrey and McGolderick played some great football also. Young lad Bayne also looks like the makings of very fine footballer.
How'd Vernon/Courtney play?
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
Good performance from queens last night in bad conditions. Antrim were Be Rootal.
Crozier was mighty at full forward throughout and vernon had a great second half. Queens defence was rock solid also. Loughrey and McGolderick played some great football also. Young lad Bayne also looks like the makings of very fine footballer.
Courtney was suspended
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
Good performance from queens last night in bad conditions. Antrim were Be Rootal.
Crozier was mighty at full forward throughout and vernon had a great second half. Queens defence was rock solid also. Loughrey and McGolderick played some great football also. Young lad Bayne also looks like the makings of very fine footballer.
Courtney was suspended
Was he thoughhhhhhh!
I think Vernon hit at leats three from play.
Mulligan looked seriously fat in the picture on the bbc website
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
Good performance from queens last night in bad conditions. Antrim were Be Rootal.
Crozier was mighty at full forward throughout and vernon had a great second half. Queens defence was rock solid also. Loughrey and McGolderick played some great football also. Young lad Bayne also looks like the makings of very fine footballer.
Courtney was suspended
Was he thoughhhhhhh!
I think Vernon hit at leats three from play.
How do you mean?
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
Good performance from queens last night in bad conditions. Antrim were Be Rootal.
Crozier was mighty at full forward throughout and vernon had a great second half. Queens defence was rock solid also. Loughrey and McGolderick played some great football also. Young lad Bayne also looks like the makings of very fine footballer.
Courtney was suspended
Was he thoughhhhhhh!
I think Vernon hit at leats three from play.
How do you mean?
Queens manager on about it today, why was he suspended?
o aye, i knew about that. doh!
queens lads claiming last night that there were no disciplinary measures either thought about or introduced for the new experimentary rules and that the ulster council are trying to make the old punishments for double yellows fit. they also claimed that croke park did not agree with the ulster council's reading!
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
Good performance from queens last night in bad conditions. Antrim were Be Rootal.
Crozier was mighty at full forward throughout and vernon had a great second half. Queens defence was rock solid also. Loughrey and McGolderick played some great football also. Young lad Bayne also looks like the makings of very fine footballer.
From Coalisland ?
tyrone somewhere anyway
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Mulligan looked seriously fat in the picture on the bbc website
(http://www.tyronegaa.ie/image?tn=News&key=newsID&colname=nwsThumbnailLarge&keyval=736)
Do you think he's using the ball to hide his stomach?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Mulligan looked seriously fat in the picture on the bbc website
(http://www.tyronegaa.ie/image?tn=News&key=newsID&colname=nwsThumbnailLarge&keyval=736)
Do you think he's using the ball to hide his stomach?
Possibly. Would be worse if he was using his stomach to hide the ball!
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 04:36:25 PM
tyrone somewhere anyway
Aye - he;s from Coalisland - he has great potential and I think he has a big future in the game.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Mulligan looked seriously fat in the picture on the bbc website
(http://www.tyronegaa.ie/image?tn=News&key=newsID&colname=nwsThumbnailLarge&keyval=736)
Do you think he's using the ball to hide his stomach?
Judging by the amount of running he did last night he's in great shape for January. Look forward to seeing him and O'Neill together come the league.
What position does young Bayne play?
Was he a minor last year?
So far which of the new guys in all the squads will be pushing into Mickey's plans if any or is it too soon to say yet?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
What position does young Bayne play?
Was he a minor last year?
So far which of the new guys in all the squads will be pushing into Mickey's plans if any or is it too soon to say yet?
Its hard to judge the new comers to the Tyrone panel on 1 game in bad conditions. Out of the new players Cassidy and Devlin were the best on Sunday. Cassidy was involved a good bit although didnt win much in the air. Think he has a decent chance of making the panel. Devlin got a point and showed very well in tough conditions.
Last night McAnulla was probably the pick of the new players getting 1-2 from play. Looks like he can take a score but tougher tests lie ahead. Would imagine Swift is in with a good chance with McCaul being out and few new defenders being tried. Donnelly seems to be scoring a lot for UUJ (mainly from free's) but the fact Harte didnt push for him to be in McKenna Cup panel makes it look doubtful that he will make it.
Quote from: SidelineKick on January 15, 2009, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Mulligan looked seriously fat in the picture on the bbc website
(http://www.tyronegaa.ie/image?tn=News&key=newsID&colname=nwsThumbnailLarge&keyval=736)
Do you think he's using the ball to hide his stomach?
Possibly. Would be worse if he was using his stomach to hide the ball!
wouldn't that be some forward line a mugsy on top form and SON up front with sean and the brian's supplying the balls.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 15, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Mulligan looked seriously fat in the picture on the bbc website
(http://www.tyronegaa.ie/image?tn=News&key=newsID&colname=nwsThumbnailLarge&keyval=736)
Do you think he's using the ball to hide his stomach?
stomach or not, some goal last night.
btw. what stomach, its his jersery
... & a hump back!
I hear his goal was 1st class!
Quote from: hardstation on January 15, 2009, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 15, 2009, 11:04:58 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
What position does young Bayne play?
Was he a minor last year?
So far which of the new guys in all the squads will be pushing into Mickey's plans if any or is it too soon to say yet?
Its hard to judge the new comers to the Tyrone panel on 1 game in bad conditions. Out of the new players Cassidy and Devlin were the best on Sunday. Cassidy was involved a good bit although didnt win much in the air. Think he has a decent chance of making the panel. Devlin got a point and showed very well in tough conditions.
Last night McAnulla was probably the pick of the new players getting 1-2 from play. Looks like he can take a score but tougher tests lie ahead. Would imagine Swift is in with a good chance with McCaul being out and few new defenders being tried. Donnelly seems to be scoring a lot for UUJ (mainly from free's) but the fact Harte didnt push for him to be in McKenna Cup panel makes it look doubtful that he will make it.
Eh?
Ciaran Donnelly has scored a good bit for UUJ in McKenna Cup. I dont think he will make the Tyrone panel because Harte didnt try to include him in McKenna Cup panel. If he was considering him I think he would have approached UUJ and tried to get him to play for Tyrone.
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 03:00:11 PM
o aye, i knew about that. doh!
queens lads claiming last night that there were no disciplinary measures either thought about or introduced for the new experimentary rules and that the ulster council are trying to make the old punishments for double yellows fit. they also claimed that croke park did not agree with the ulster council's reading!
Seems like a farcial interpretation if that's what Ulster Council are imposing suspensions for. The old double yellow suspension would now be the equivalent of being compulsorily sent off for a yellow card offence 4 times, not 2.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 16, 2009, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: Malone Aristocrat on January 15, 2009, 03:00:11 PM
o aye, i knew about that. doh!
queens lads claiming last night that there were no disciplinary measures either thought about or introduced for the new experimentary rules and that the ulster council are trying to make the old punishments for double yellows fit. they also claimed that croke park did not agree with the ulster council's reading!
Seems like a farcial interpretation if that's what Ulster Council are imposing suspensions for. The old double yellow suspension would now be the equivalent of being compulsorily for a yellow card offence 4 times, not 2.
Yip.
Sunday, 18.01.2009
13:45 GAA Beo
Live coverage of Tyrone v Monaghan from Omagh in the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup second round. Tyrone manager Mickey Harte will be hoping to build on last years successful year by edging out neighbours Monaghan in this home tie. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Mac Dara Mac Donncha
No school today Carmen!I thought it was usually mondays u took off lol :P :P No wait that was me!!
Another long weekend :)
Bored already!
Looking forward to see some of the new lads playing on Sunday!
Was hoping for a better report from you about wednesdays game.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2009, 04:18:30 PM
Another long weekend :)
Bored already!
Looking forward to see some of the new lads playing on Sunday!
Was hoping for a better report from you about wednesdays game.
Dr McKenna Cup Rd 2
Tyrone 3-9 St Mary's University College 2-11Tyrone recovered from seven points down at one stage to beat St.Marys Belfast by the minimum margin at Healy Park on Wednesday night to keep alive their hopes of qualifying for the semi finals of the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup.
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte handed senior competitive debuts to Niall McGinn, Peter McGahan, Conor O'Donnell, Jason McAnulla and Ryan T O'Neill but it was the students who were looking the more cohesive unit. Full forward John Kelly put St.Marys ahead inside the opening minute but a well taken Martin Penrose point from out on the left wing soon had the sides level. In the fourth minute St.Marys struck for their goal and it was the result of a mistake by Tyrone keeper Johnny Curran who fisted the ball straight to Conor McGourty who gratefully accepted the present to finish to an empty net.
Mark McKenna and Davy Harte exchanged points before debutant Ryan T O'Neill curled over a delightful score. Owen Mulligan was then unlucky to see an effort come back off the post before McGourty hit a fine point at the other end of the field. Tommy McGuigan then converted a Tyrone free but that was to prove to be their last score of the opening period as St.Marys finished strongly. Two Kevin Niblock points coupled with another one from McGourty left St.Marys 1-7 to 0-4 in front at half time.
McGourty opened the second half scoring from a long range free as the students threatened to pick up were they had left off but then Tyrone sprung into life. Owen Mulligan squeezed the ball past keeper Bernard Mullan to the net before good approach play from Cavanagh teed McAnula up for the equalising goal after sixteen minutes, the Omagh player having been denied by keeper Mullan in the opening moments of the half. It was anybody's game at this stage with St.Marys going two in front again through efforts from McGourty and half back Brian Og Maguire. Tyrone looked as though they were heading out of the competition but a trio of McAnula points coupled with a goal from his Omagh club mate O'Donnell put them into the driving seat. St.Marys rallied with McGourty firing to the net in injury time after a Pollock effort had come back off the upright but the Red Hands held on for a narrow win.
Tyrone - J Curran, PJ Quinn, P Donnelly, N McGinn, D Harte [0-1], Joe McMahon, M Swift, C Holmes, P McGahan, C O'Donnell [1-1], T McGuigan [0-1], M Penrose [0-2] J McAnulla [1-3], R T O'Neill P[0-1], O Mulligan [1-0]. Subs - S Cavanagh for McGahan, M McGee for McGinn, P Jordan for Donnelly, S O'Neill for R O'Neill, A Cassidy for Harte
St.Marys - B Mullan, M Digney, C McElholm, K O'Boyle, S O'Neill, Justin McMahon, B Og Maguire [0-1], G O'Neill, M McKenna [0-1], N McSherry, K Niblock [0-2], B McGoldrick, C McGourty [2-5], J Kelly [0-1], M Pollock [0-1]. Subs - P Keenan for McSherry, M Murray for McElholm, J Cunningham for Niblock
Referee - R Doone, Antrim
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=736
Is armagh game on live anywhere radio etc...?
Quote from: ardmhaca08 on January 17, 2009, 05:12:56 PM
Is armagh game on live anywhere radio etc...?
This station usually covers it at some level;
http://powerlink.powerstream.net/002/00187/live4.asx
Cavan v Armagh (Sat)
Armagh will clinch a semi-final place in the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup if they earn a win or a draw in Saturday's clash against Cavan (1900 GMT). Cavan still have a chance of qualification but need a massive win at Kingspan Breffni Park to win Section C or claim a best runners-up spot. Armagh came from eight points down at half-time to stun Queen's 3-6 to 0-12 last Sunday at Lurgan. Cavan beat Antrim last weekend but it was not an impressive display. Ryan Henderson scored two Armagh goals last weekend while Ronan Clarke notched the Orchard County's other three-pointer in the comeback victory. QUB's better scoring average means that they will win the group if Armagh slip up against Cavan. Going into the final series of games, Armagh are the best second-placed team in the three groups but that all could change if either Tyrone or Monaghan register a big win at Healy Park on Sunday.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7834112.stm
Armagh 0-4 Cavan 0-3 Halftime
"500 plus crowd in hail, rain, sleet and a little bit of snow"
12 1/2 mins a G Pierson free puts Cavan ahead
B Mallon replies after 16 Mins
Another Pierson free on 17 mins give Cavan the lead 2-1
Kevin O'Rourke scores for Armagh 0-2 to 0-2
Ronan Clarke give Armagh the lead after 25 Mins 0-3 to 0-2
Brian Mallon after 34 mins 0-4 to 0-2
G Pierson with Cavan's first point from play 0-4 to 0-3 Half time
Cavan 1-7 Armagh 0-9 FULLTIME
1-5 from Gerard Pierson with John Tierney and Nicolas Walsh scoring the winner. Armagh at one stage scored 4 consecutive points but cavan finished strong to win by a point.
1 yellow card and one tick throughout the game
Who got the yellow card?
Donegal 2 2 0 0 3-25 1-18 1.619 4
Ferman 3 1 1 1 2-26 2-27 0.857 3
UUJ 3 1 0 2 1-35 4.35 0.808 2
Derry 2 0 1 1 1-17 0-23 0.870 1
Down 3 2 0 1 4-41 1-31 1.558 4
Mon 2 1 0 1 2-22 2-22 1.000 2
Tyrone 2 1 0 1 3-18 2-27 0.818 2
Mary's 3 1 0 2 3-34 7-37 0.741 2
Queen's 3 2 0 1 6-42 4-22 1.764 4
Armagh 3 2 0 1 3-27 1-29 1.125 4
Cavan 3 2 0 1 2-30 3-34 0.837 4
Antrim 3 0 0 3 1-26 4-40 0.557 0
Semi-final
Its look like that
Down v Queens
Donegal v (Armagh, Monaghan or Tyrone) my guess is Armagh
Quote from: ardmhaca08 on January 17, 2009, 08:36:26 PM
Who got the yellow card?
Armagh No 7. Referee didn't play to the new rules. It wasn't a dirty game but neither was the Cavan V Queens game and there wre alot more yellows..
Quote from: umpire on January 17, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Semi-final
Its look like that
Down v Queens
Donegal v (Armagh, Monaghan or Tyrone) my guess is Armagh
Nailed on unless Monaghan record a 7 or 8 point victory tomorrow.
Anyone know who got the scores in the second half for Armagh?
Quote from: corn02 on January 17, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on January 17, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Semi-final
Its look like that
Down v Queens
Donegal v (Armagh, Monaghan or Tyrone) my guess is Armagh
Nailed on unless Monaghan record a 7 or 8 point victory tomorrow.
Would Monaghan not need a 5 point win?.....and Tyrone 12?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 17, 2009, 08:56:29 PM
Anyone know who got the scores in the second half for Armagh?
Ronan Clarke and Kevin O'Rourke (I think)
Cavan 1-7 0-9 Armagh Cavan beat Armagh 1-7 to 0-9 in Saturday night's Gaelic Life McKenna Cup match to leave the Orchard County sweating on semi-final qualification. Armagh led 0-4 to 0-3 at the interval but Cavan moved ahead when Gerald Pierson drilled home a brilliant goal seven minutes into the second half. Four points from Ronan Clarke, who finished with a tally of 0-5, had Armagh in front in the 55th minute. A long-range point from Nicholas Walsh in the 72nd minute secured victory. Cavan's only scores in the opening 34 minutes at Breffni Park came from two Gerald Pierson frees while Brian Mallon hit two from play for the Orchard men. Ronan Clarke's well taken score helped Armagh to that one-point half-time lead, Pierson having hit his third, this time from play.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7835828.stm
Armagh six points ahead of Monaghan, I know scoring averages doesn't work exactly like that, but it is usually close enough. Seven points to nick ahead and eight to be sure.
Tyrone about 12 or 13 is right.
Quote from: ONeill on January 17, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 17, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on January 17, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Semi-final
Its look like that
Down v Queens
Donegal v (Armagh, Monaghan or Tyrone) my guess is Armagh
Nailed on unless Monaghan record a 7 or 8 point victory tomorrow.
Would Monaghan not need a 5 point win?.....and Tyrone 12?
Sort of.......
A Monaghan win by 5 would be enough in a low scoring game. For example, if the final score was 0-6 to 0-1 . But in a high scoring game, the difference needs to be bigger. For example, a 5 point win by Monaghan with a score line of 1-15 to 0-13 would not be enough.
Likewise 12 would be enough for Tyrone in a low scoring game, but not enough in a high scoring game.
Quote from: western exile on January 17, 2009, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 17, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 17, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on January 17, 2009, 08:43:43 PM
Semi-final
Its look like that
Down v Queens
Donegal v (Armagh, Monaghan or Tyrone) my guess is Armagh
Nailed on unless Monaghan record a 7 or 8 point victory tomorrow.
Would Monaghan not need a 5 point win?.....and Tyrone 12?
Sort of.......
A Monaghan win by 5 would be enough in a low scoring game. For example, if the final score was 0-6 to 0-1 . But in a high scoring game, the difference needs to be bigger. For example, a 5 point win by Monaghan with a score line of 1-15 to 0-13 would not be enough.
Likewise 12 would be enough for Tyrone in a low scoring game, but not enough in a high scoring game.
Yeah true enough, you can get through with a worse scoring difference can't you? Wasn't there a controversy about this the year it was introduced,one team thought they were through?
Poor enough game altogether. Disappointing to lose a match in the last minute like that when it looked like we'd done enough. Responded well to Cavan's second half goal to go 2 points ahead (I think) but Cavan arguably just about deserved their win. Very few players showed well to be honest. McClelland and O'Neill looked ok, Lavery was very quiet, as was Miceal O'Rourke. I can only assume Henderson picked up a late injury. Clarke was the best player on the pitch by some distance with some fine scores though he had two chances late on before Cavan got the equaliser which would probably have ensured at least a draw. Would be nice to qualify if only to give the new panelists another chance to impress. At this stage only Henderson and Rodgers could be sure they've done enough to stay in the squad when the students and Rangers men re-appear. Donnelly might have done enough and Shane O'Neill and Tony McClelland have steady when involved. James Lavery looked like a player badly in need of games but hopefully he'll get back to pace soon enough.
Fairly heave snow here this morning in Glenmornan (20 miles from Omagh). Is there any fear of the game being off?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 18, 2009, 11:36:07 AM
Fairly heave snow here this morning in Glenmornan (20 miles from Omagh). Is there any fear of the game being off?
Game definitely on according to Q101
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 18, 2009, 11:36:07 AM
Fairly heave snow here this morning in Glenmornan (20 miles from Omagh). Is there any fear of the game being off?
I am hearing that there is a pitch inspection at 12.00pm. Conditions are not great.
It's all a bit last minute. I was thinking of travelling, but i'd need to know pretty sharpish.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 18, 2009, 12:01:09 PM
It's all a bit last minute. I was thinking of travelling, but i'd need to know pretty sharpish.
Yes, the game is definitely on. This has been confirmed by the County Board.
Cheers!
I think I'm going to need a few valium to stop me throwing my computer out the window. Whoever put a microphone in front of McHugh should be shot!
Derry 2 Donegal 1.
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2009, 02:18:56 PM
I think I'm going to need a few valium to stop me throwing my computer out the window. Whoever put a microphone in front of McHugh should be shot!
Derry 2 Donegal 1.
He sounds fine to me.
3-3
Monaghan 0.6 - Tyrone 1.5
Tommy Freeman on fire but Enda Mc Ginley just sneeked in for a goal.
Looks like a battle between the two No.15's - Freeman v O'Neill
Whoever comes out on top is gonna settle the game.
O'Neill is looking very sharp so far. Who is playing at no.4 for Tyrone?
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 18, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
Looks like a battle between the two No.15's - Freeman v O'Neill
Whoever comes out on top is gonna settle the game.
Difference is Tyrone have Cavanagh up there scoring too, Freeman is on fire but can't do it all on his own. Hanratty poor so far.
Think 4 might be Phillip Jordan
Moment of brilliance from SON just then. He looks sharp alright.With ONeill hittin the frees with the left will McCullagh get his place this year?
Good lively start from Monaghan but went out of it. Seem tired though the pitch is very heavy lookin.. Finlay should have slotted his two over the bar!!
What do each team need to win by to make it through to the semi?
Is the Tyrone Monaghan commentary online apart from q101?Can't get it to work
Stephen Gollogly's havin some game for a man that's sittin on the bench.. Definitely an impact sub.. ::)
Quote from: ziggysego on January 18, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
What do each team need to win by to make it through to the semi?
Think it's 12 to Tyrone and 5 for the Mons.
McGinley took his goal well, with SON, as most have said, lookng sharp.
Armagh looking a pretty good bet for the semis anyway. Got a bit worried when Monaghan were flying in the first 10 mins. Tyrone will hardly tag on another 10 or 11 points to their lead, will they :-\ :)
Quote from: ziggysego on January 18, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
What do each team need to win by to make it through to the semi?
Monaghan 7/8, Tyrone 12/13
McManus should be at wing-forward instead of Hughes, even if they swapped it'd be grand, much more of an atacking threat. Hughes had nice pass on early score but quiet since.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 18, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
Stephen Gollogly's havin some game for a man that's sittin on the bench.. Definitely an impact sub.. ::)
Was just about to say that!
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 18, 2009, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 18, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
What do each team need to win by to make it through to the semi?
Monaghan 7/8, Tyrone 12/13
Thought it was more for Tyrone? Like 15 or 16?
Quote from: AFS on January 18, 2009, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 18, 2009, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 18, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
What do each team need to win by to make it through to the semi?
Monaghan 7/8, Tyrone 12/13
Thought it was more for Tyrone? Like 15 or 16?
It's variable.. In a low scoring game 12/13 would do but prob more like 15/16 now as it's a scoring average.
Tyrone need to outscore Monaghan by another 8 points to pip Armagh for semi final place
At half time
Armagh 1.125
Monaghan 0.75
Tyrone 0.951219512
its really looking good for Armagh unless Monaghan collapsed in second half
Biddy and Downey are on for Damien and Shane Smyth
Penrose on for Mellon
Meegan on for Hanratty, he had a shocker.
James Conlon off with a yellow for pulling down Cavanagh in front of goal, McGuigan on
Rory Woods is some man for one man :o
how dd mcgee get away without a yellow?
Quote from: AFS on January 18, 2009, 03:12:33 PM
Rory Woods is some man for one man :o
He definately isn't wearing his '18 hour girdle!'
Paul McGuigan should really play as a forward instead of a wing-back, he can really take a score.
Stevie O'Neill looks sharp when he gets on the ball. Worrying :-\
Dessie on for Hughes.
Armagh probably safe enough at this stage unless Tyrone start rattling the net. 1-17 after 63 minutes is some scoring though for the middle of January. O'Neill's been superb.
Donegal 13-11 up now after being 10-6 down early in the second.
Jordan tried to pick up Woods :o
How'd Penrose get away with that one? Ref seems to be ignoring the new rules.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 18, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
Armagh probably safe enough at this stage unless Tyrone start rattling the net. 1-17 after 63 minutes is some scoring though for the middle of January. O'Neill's been superb.
Is it Donegal in the semis then?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 18, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
Armagh probably safe enough at this stage unless Tyrone start rattling the net. 1-17 after 63 minutes is some scoring though for the middle of January. O'Neill's been superb.
It has a lot to do with the new rules imo
Quote from: AFS on January 18, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 18, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
Armagh probably safe enough at this stage unless Tyrone start rattling the net. 1-17 after 63 minutes is some scoring though for the middle of January. O'Neill's been superb.
Is it Donegal in the semis then?
Yes.
FT Donegal/Derry 0-13 apiece.
Think so AFS. It was going to be Down had they topped the group so I assume that's changed and also that it won't be Queens. Though I wonder if there's a rule to stop 2 teams from thw 1 group playing each other in the semis? If there isn't there should be.
If its Donegal, I hope they just fix it for Omagh / Enniskillen rather than tossing for home advantage.
One for the statisticians, when did a team last score 0-17 but still lose a McKenna Cup match?
I hope its Enniskillen. That pitch looked woeful today.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 18, 2009, 03:35:06 PM
One for the statisticians, when did a team last score 0-17 but still lose a McKenna Cup match?
News rules having an effect?
Semi final should now read
No surprise
Down v Queens
Donegal v Armagh
for best runner up went to Armagh
Armagh 1.125
Monaghan 0.918367347
Tyrone 0.96
another cold day in omagh, nearly as cold as wednesday night and with just as about as many supporters as well. hopefully they will be more fans joining me in croker in two weeks time.
SON had a great game, hopefully a sign of things to come
John Joe Cleary the ref in Omagh just ignored the new rules by and large - had he applied them to the letter, there would have been a lot of players being replaced.
Tyrone were very, very impressive particularly O'Neill - Gareth Devlin was impressive in parts as well.
But you just can't help getting the feeling that the Tyrone team won't have too many newcomers this season.
i never seen as many ticks in a black book it seemed that the ref was scared to take out the yellow card
Roll on the national league till we get rid of these new rules that are never enforced and see two teams that actually plan to win each game!! Last few weeks are just promoted friendly matches!
Tyrone quite impressive today, were some good passages of play despite the conditions! Stevie o neill was v sharp and some great scores from play! Thought cassidy played well, despite some rushes of blood and careless passes, but caught some great ball and set up enda well for his goal! Philly made some impressive interceptions and set up numerous moves from deep. Ref was very inconsistent to both teams and shows why these new rules will cause problems as another ref could have produced more than 1 yellow! BTW it was micky mc gee who attemped to lift Rory woods clean of the ground but didn't get far, you'd need the whole of the full back line for that job, f**k woods has got even bigger!!
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 18, 2009, 04:55:44 PM
Tyrone quite impressive today, were some good passages of play despite the conditions! Stevie o neill was v sharp and some great scores from play! Thought cassidy played well, despite some rushes of blood and careless passes, but caught some great ball and set up enda well for his goal! Philly made some impressive interceptions and set up numerous moves from deep. Ref was very inconsistent to both teams and shows why these new rules will cause problems as another ref could have produced more than 1 yellow! BTW it was micky mc gee who attemped to lift Rory woods clean of the ground but didn't get far, you'd need the whole of the full back line for that job, f**k woods has got even bigger!!
Yeah the jersey was sticking to him! He generally peaks in the summertime I think though, best time for it I suppose. A good example is last year when he had a shocker in the first round against Fermanagh, but was great in the next 2 games, brilliant against Donegal in particular. This lack of training in November/December would have hampered him more than most.
Woods is always big at this time of the year. Give him another two months and he'll be in shape.
Entertaining enough game today and O'Neill really was the difference. I'd be happy enough with the game for this time of year - when it went to 7 points, Tyrone could have powered on, but Monaghan clawed it back a bit.
As for the ref, yes, he could have shown a few yellow cards (to both teams under the following rules:
- To pull down an opponent
- To trip an opponent with hand(s) or foot
- To bring an arm around the neck of the opponent
The funny thing is that under the old rules, these incidents probably would have resulted in a yellow card!
Oh, and soup/tea/coffee a great idea for this time of year. Bloody freezing.
aye i thought Monaghan were playing an extra man ;)
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 18, 2009, 05:48:48 PM
Was in Omagh today, fcuk it was freezing. Very good display today by Tyrone, 1-18 is great scoring at this time of the year. Has to be said that I think it will take some team to beat Tyrone this year come championship time. Midfield impressive today with McGinley & Cassidy getting the better of Clerkin & Finlay. Up front SON & Cavanagh...what else can you say, their performances said it all. I think we are going to have a very strong panel the year and it looks like we now have cover for every position, roll on 2009 ;D
Aye, enjoyed that today all right ... if we can avoid the injury curse that hits us after winning Sam then we'll be there or thereabouts
Will the final be in Casement again? Or does it depend on who gets through? Have flights booked home for next weekend anyway so fingers crossed!! ;D
Any one know tyrone team and scorers from today?
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2009, 06:25:28 PM
Any one know tyrone team and scorers from today?
18 Jan 2009
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Rd 3
Tyrone 1-18 Monaghan 0-17Tyrone - J Curran, M McGee, Joe McMahon, P Jordan (Captain), D Harte, P Donnelly, M Swift, E McGinley (1-1), A Cassidy, R Mellon, T McGuigan (0-1), R Mulgrew, G Devlin (0-2), S Cavanagh (0-7), S O'Neill (0-7)
Monaghan - P McBennett, D McArdle, M McNulty, G McEnaney, V Corey, J Conlon, C McManus (0-1), D Clerkin (0-1), P Finlay (0-1), K Hughes, S Smith, D Freeman, C Hanratty, B McKenna, T Freeman (0-10)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=739
7 points again for O'Neill. From waht I;ve seen so far he's improved even further from his 2005 form. Scary!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 18, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
7 points again for O'Neill. From waht I;ve seen so far he's improved even further from his 2005 form. Scary!
If he returns to his 2005 form, he'll give a lot of defenders a lot of sleepless nights. If he returns to anywhere near the consistently good form he had in 2005, Tyrone supporters will be very pleased.
Quote from: orangeman on January 18, 2009, 06:49:49 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 18, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
7 points again for O'Neill. From waht I;ve seen so far he's improved even further from his 2005 form. Scary!
If he returns to his 2005 form, he'll give a lot of defenders a lot of sleepless nights. If he returns to anywhere near the consistently good form he had in 2005, Tyrone supporters will be very pleased.
The signs are good so far anyway, he showed some moments of real class there today.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2009, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2009, 06:25:28 PM
Any one know tyrone team and scorers from today?
18 Jan 2009
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Rd 3
Tyrone 1-18 Monaghan 0-17
Tyrone - J Curran, M McGee, Joe McMahon, P Jordan (Captain), D Harte, P Donnelly, M Swift, E McGinley (1-1), A Cassidy, R Mellon, T McGuigan (0-1), R Mulgrew, G Devlin (0-2), S Cavanagh (0-7), S O'Neill (0-7)
Monaghan - P McBennett, D McArdle, M McNulty, G McEnaney, V Corey, J Conlon, C McManus (0-1), D Clerkin (0-1), P Finlay (0-1), K Hughes, S Smith, D Freeman, C Hanratty, B McKenna, T Freeman (0-10)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=739
Monaghan's scores don't add up to 0-17 - i don't think subs have been included. Didn't Dessie Mone put one over? Can't recall who else.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 18, 2009, 06:54:06 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2009, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2009, 06:25:28 PM
Any one know tyrone team and scorers from today?
18 Jan 2009
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Rd 3
Tyrone 1-18 Monaghan 0-17
Tyrone - J Curran, M McGee, Joe McMahon, P Jordan (Captain), D Harte, P Donnelly, M Swift, E McGinley (1-1), A Cassidy, R Mellon, T McGuigan (0-1), R Mulgrew, G Devlin (0-2), S Cavanagh (0-7), S O'Neill (0-7)
Monaghan - P McBennett, D McArdle, M McNulty, G McEnaney, V Corey, J Conlon, C McManus (0-1), D Clerkin (0-1), P Finlay (0-1), K Hughes, S Smith, D Freeman, C Hanratty, B McKenna, T Freeman (0-10)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=739
Monaghan's scores don't add up to 0-17 - i don't think subs have been included. Didn't Dessie Mone put one over? Can't recall who else.
Yep Dessie scored one, as did Paul McGuigan and Paul Meegan scored 2.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 18, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
7 points again for O'Neill. From waht I;ve seen so far he's improved even further from his 2005 form. Scary!
McKenna Cup alert!! McKenna Cup alert!!
For God sake, I could score 7 points in the McKenna cup.
ah now pints. not after thon burger....
Quote from: The GAA on January 18, 2009, 07:16:29 PM
ah now pints. not after thon burger....
Nonsense, I could eat that burger at half time and go out and kick another 7.
Quote from: downgirl on January 18, 2009, 06:21:47 PM
Will the final be in Casement again? Or does it depend on who gets through? Have flights booked home for next weekend anyway so fingers crossed!! ;D
please tell me you didnt book flights home for a McKenna cup final ::)
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 18, 2009, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: downgirl on January 18, 2009, 06:21:47 PM
Will the final be in Casement again? Or does it depend on who gets through? Have flights booked home for next weekend anyway so fingers crossed!! ;D
please tell me you didnt book flights home for a McKenna cup final ::)
Why wuoldnt she? Sure it's like an All Ireland Final for the down ones.
No no had them booked in November...then Aer Arann went and changed their Belfast - Cork Sunday night flight time from 8.10pm to 4.10pm. Not a happy bunny!!
Ah now pints its not like an All Ireland Final to us...just the Ulster Final :P
I have to agree with the others on this board who braved the conditions in Omagh to see this game.....feck, that was one bitterly cold day in Healy Park. I wonder if our beloved county board or even Club Tyrone might consider raising a few bob to get some heaters placed in the stand!!!
Given the very heavy underfoot conditions and time of year, this was fairly entertaining stuff. Fair play to both teams for doing their best to put on a show. Thirty six scores aint half bad, although one wonders if the new rules that prevent defenders from making any kind of a tackle contributed to this scoring spree. It really will be interesting to see how these new rules go down in the forthcoming N.F.L. when the ante is upped somewhat and things become a bit more 'physical'.
Anyhow, that is for another day. I was quite pleased with the Tyrone effort today....the two previous games with Down and St Mary's had obviously brought the team on quite a bit. The players looked so much sharper and the football produced was a lot more fluent. For the month of January, it was great to see the appetite shown by some of our more established players like McMahon, Jordan, McGinley, Mellon, Cavanagh and O'Neill. 3 All-Irelands have clearly not diluted their interest in any way! I also feel a good bit more confident now about taking on the Dubs in a fortnight's time.
Today's game was further proof that guys like Swift, Cassidy and Devlin would all be worthy additions to this season's N.F.L. and Championship squads. Who makes way for them, however, is the burning question. Swift seems certain to take over from the injured Damien McCaul but I reckon Mickey will want to have Cassidy and Devlin on board as well. Both men did all that was asked of them in their two outings against Down and Monaghan. O'Donnell and McAnulla also impressed when given the chance against St Mary's but both are still U-21 and it will be interesting to see if Mickey decides to hold on to them. The other newcomers will do well to break on to the NFL squad at this stage, although I am sure there are plans for a couple of in-house trial games to see if they can still force their way into contention.
I believe there is talk of the Armagh v Donegal McKenna Cup semi-final being played in Omagh this coming Wednesday. I just wonder of the Healy Park pitch will be fit to hold it. The field was so heavy today that there was little or no bounce whenever the ball hit the ground. The weather forecast is also terrible for the next few days, so the pitch is not likely to get any better.
Excellent performance today, thought Cassidy did very well in MF, took the wrong option a few times but more often than not was very positive, at least now we will have some decent competition in the MF (what age is he BTW?).
Mulgrew had some nice touches but overall was not doing nearly enough to warrant a starting place. Shame really as the fella has skill to burn but seems to lack confidence.
SON was excellent. Can be very hard on himself if things don't go right and in the first 15min I was bit worried that his head would maybe drop when whatever he was trying just wasn't coming off. One sublime point from the left and that all changed...excellent from thereonin.
Cavanagh..no more needs said - an 8/10 performance form a man who didn't need to slip out of 3rd gear. Always there to make the block, make the pass, make an interception (in his own full back line when required)
Defence played ok but still conceded a lot of scores. Admittedly the ref did all he could to put them over himself but that's another story.
Enda, Tommy looked sharp enough. Davy very steady, always there to take the sensible ball out.
An entertaining enough game in the poor conditions.
Tyrone back line were good and swallowed up most of the high balls lobbed their way with ease.
Not bad for the AI champions to have a Stephen O'Neill to return to strengthen the team even more.
SoN was superb. Some of his touches on the ball were outstanding and showed he's lost none of that magic. Early days yet, but it's looking good in the Tyrone camp for the year ahead.
Tyrone and monaghan were in great form today. the 2 month lay-of wasnt so bad was it. Good game for this time of year.
Great game today considering the time of the year. O'Neill probably just about deserved man-of-the-match but McGuigan can't have been too far behind. Clerkin was very good for Monaghan, was funny watching him flinging Cavanagh around a few times near the end, Clerkin is a beast of a man. Cassidy impressive and McGinley, as usual, was very good.
Quote from: corn02 on January 18, 2009, 09:13:40 PM
Great game today considering the time of the year. O'Neill probably just about deserved man-of-the-match but McGuigan can't have been too far behind. Clerkin was very good for Monaghan, was funny watching him flinging Cavanagh around a few times near the end, Clerkin is a beast of a man. Cassidy impressive and McGinley, as usual, was very good.
Clerkin gets a lot of slagging, but he did some serious work today and covered a lot of ground. Also hit a nice point.
Quote from: Main Street on January 18, 2009, 08:06:45 PM
An entertaining enough game in the poor conditions.
Tyrone back line were good and swallowed up most of the high balls lobbed their way with ease.
Not bad for the AI champions to have a Stephen O'Neill to return to strengthen the team even more.
Have to agree - the high balls were a waste of time, especially in the second half with Woods some way from full fitness.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 18, 2009, 07:14:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 18, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
7 points again for O'Neill. From waht I;ve seen so far he's improved even further from his 2005 form. Scary!
McKenna Cup alert!! McKenna Cup alert!!
Yes, you're right, and Monaghan did have a few new faces around the back today, but O'Neill's skill did shine through and he took some great points.
Even if it's LOI or the GAA, I have to say TG4 are a breath of fresh air with their coverage.
The game today was treated with no less attention of their professionalism than if it was a high profile championship game.
Even down to the detail of catching the nice singer of the anthem on camera.
No cosy studio for these guys, they were out there in the middle of the elements introducing the various segments, with everything delivered on cue and with gusto.
From start to finish they succeeded in producing a high standard polished live transmission which was immensely enjoyable.
That fairly warmed the cockles. Two good teams producing football like that in mid-Jan makes you want the summer to arrive asap. RHF covers everything excellently as usual. Cassidy is showing up well. He's perhaps the only player who would have one or two of the AIF side looking over their shoulder. Mulgrew still looks lost in the county set-up. Monaghan are a confident outfit as well and will go close in Division 2 again. Great hunger shown from the Tyrone old hands in Jordan, McGinley etc. This year has a different feel to it compared to '04 and '06.
Great fare for the middle of January today. Stevie back in the groove and in full fitness, testimony perhaps to the remedial power of cycling for the hamstrings. A few of the new faces will present MH with selection problems enough and more for the League, which is no bad thing. Mulgrew showed flashes today, with the promise of plenty more to come, I'm sure.
So we fail to qualify for the latter stages of the Mc Kenna for the second consecutive year... as per the pattern of 2008, so far.
All the better considering they haven't been together that long (or shouldn't have been anyway).
Good high scoring game, S O'Neill, McGinley stood out for the enemy whilst for monaghan McManus, Freeman and the two new faces that came on as subs (names?) both scored nice points. Was also expecting a few more yellows, from Monaghan anyway! Fair play :P
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 18, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
All the better considering they haven't been together that long (or shouldn't have been anyway).
Good high scoring game, S O'Neill, McGinley stood out for the enemy whilst for monaghan McManus, Freeman and the two new faces that came on as subs (names?) both scored nice points. Was also expecting a few more yellows, from Monaghan anyway! Fair play :P
The two subs you're on about are Paul McGuigan and Paul Meegan. Meegan scored 2 and McGuigan 1. Neither are new though, Meegan was on the panel 2 years ago, came on against Kerry and got a mis-aimed kick in the face from Dara O'Sé! Wasn't on the panel last year because of injury I think. McGuigan's been on the panel a couple of years, a regular last year. Actually came on against Tyrone in the league game in 2006 and scored 3 pts from the 40 if I remember correctly. Used mostly as a wing-back since, even though he's a natural forward.
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2009, 12:00:50 AM
Didn't McGuigan play full forward for SEM in the MacRory? He was captain when they got to the final.
Yep that's right.
Orchardcounty.com has the Armagh v Donegal game down for Healy Park, Omagh at 7 30pm this Wednesday. I'd assume QUB v Down is at the same time in Newry.
Wednesday 21st January (Both games at 7.30pm, Extra Time if necessary):
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup:
Semi Finals: (1) Queens v Down
(2) Donegal v Armagh at Omagh
From An Dún website down.gaa.ie (http://down.gaa.ie)
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Down v Queens Thur 7.30 pm Newry
Date : 18/01/2009 22:59
Down will take on Queens University Belfast on Thursday Night at 7.30pm in Pairc Esler, Newry in the Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final.
The match was originally fixed for Wed night but Down boss Ross Carr agreed to change the match to Thursday night as Queens would have been missing upwards to 12 of their starting team due to exams.
Quote from: western exile on January 19, 2009, 02:11:16 AM
From An Dún website down.gaa.ie (http://down.gaa.ie)
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Down v Queens Thur 7.30 pm Newry
Date : 18/01/2009 22:59
Down will take on Queens University Belfast on Thursday Night at 7.30pm in Pairc Esler, Newry in the Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final.
The match was originally fixed for Wed night but Down boss Ross Carr agreed to change the match to Thursday night as Queens would have been missing upwards to 12 of their starting team due to exams.
awful good of ross..
Quote from: Schkite on January 18, 2009, 11:58:33 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 18, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
All the better considering they haven't been together that long (or shouldn't have been anyway).
Good high scoring game, S O'Neill, McGinley stood out for the enemy whilst for monaghan McManus, Freeman and the two new faces that came on as subs (names?) both scored nice points. Was also expecting a few more yellows, from Monaghan anyway! Fair play :P
The two subs you're on about are Paul McGuigan and Paul Meegan. Meegan scored 2 and McGuigan 1. Neither are new though, Meegan was on the panel 2 years ago, came on against Kerry and got a mis-aimed kick in the face from Dara O'Sé! Wasn't on the panel last year because of injury I think. McGuigan's been on the panel a couple of years, a regular last year. Actually came on against Tyrone in the league game in 2006 and scored 3 pts from the 40 if I remember correctly. Used mostly as a wing-back since, even though he's a natural forward.
pardon my ignorance! Wasn't familiar with either!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 19, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 19, 2009, 02:11:16 AM
From An Dún website down.gaa.ie (http://down.gaa.ie)
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Down v Queens Thur 7.30 pm Newry
Date : 18/01/2009 22:59
Down will take on Queens University Belfast on Thursday Night at 7.30pm in Pairc Esler, Newry in the Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final.
The match was originally fixed for Wed night but Down boss Ross Carr agreed to change the match to Thursday night as Queens would have been missing upwards to 12 of their starting team due to exams.
awful good of ross..
Only 2 days between the semi final and final now.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 19, 2009, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 19, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 19, 2009, 02:11:16 AM
From An Dún website down.gaa.ie (http://down.gaa.ie)
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Down v Queens Thur 7.30 pm Newry
Date : 18/01/2009 22:59
Down will take on Queens University Belfast on Thursday Night at 7.30pm in Pairc Esler, Newry in the Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final.
The match was originally fixed for Wed night but Down boss Ross Carr agreed to change the match to Thursday night as Queens would have been missing upwards to 12 of their starting team due to exams.
awful good of ross..
Only 2 days between the semi final and final now.
And what. No bother to the flying mourne men.
Where is the final likely to be? Casement again?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 19, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
Where is the final likely to be? Casement again?
The Ulster gaa website has it as
TBC http://ulster.gaa.ie/2009/01/19/gl-dr-mckenna-cup-round-up/ (http://ulster.gaa.ie/2009/01/19/gl-dr-mckenna-cup-round-up/)
I suppose they are waiting to see who is in it. Last year Casement was natural choice for Down v. Derry.
would imagine if armagh progress it will be in casement as convenient for both down qub. though if donegal win omagh could be the possible venue??
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 19, 2009, 09:05:29 PM
would imagine if armagh progress it will be in casement as convenient for both down qub. though if donegal win omagh could be the possible venue??
Love to see Down Armagh in Casement, thinking about heading up...
Wouldn't be too confident of Armagh progressing any further unless at least 4 or 5 more regulars were thrown in on Wednesday night. In truth, we're very lucky to get this far after beating a very poor Antrim and robbing Queen's.
whats the chances of the final being in the athelic grounds if armagh dont progress that far!
im sure the ulster council would like to get a high profile game under lights there!!
Would love the final to be in Casement again. Can't see Armagh beating Donegal, being honest. If we couldn't beat Cavan...
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 19, 2009, 09:59:17 PM
Can't see Armagh beating Donegal, being honest.
What makes you think that? I can't see Donegal beating Armagh TBH but I suppose at this time of year it's hard to know.
Are we confirmng that the semis are wed in omagh and thurs in newry?
home fot the week and that'd be hndy for taking in two games
Quote from: Uladh on January 20, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
Are we confirmng that the semis are wed in omagh and thurs in newry?
home fot the week and that'd be hndy for taking in two games
Indeed Uladh. The seocnd one is very appealing.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 19, 2009, 09:59:17 PM
Would love the final to be in Casement again. Can't see Armagh beating Donegal, being honest. If we couldn't beat Cavan...
Our sides have been very experimental too, so I'd imagine it will be tight enough.
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Rd 3
Tyrone 1-18 Monaghan 0-17
Tyrone made it back to back wins in the McKenna Cup when they had four points to spare over Monaghan at Healy Park Omagh on Sunday but the result wasn't enough to book a semi final place as they lost out to neighbours Armagh on score difference.
Once again Mickey Harte made a number of changes to his starting fifteen although it was still a strong side that he sent out to battle with seven players on board who had began last September's All Ireland final against Kerry. Monaghan too field a strong side and they enjoyed a blistering start to the contest with four unanswered points inside the opening half a dozen minutes with the inform Tommy Freeman notching three of those. Tyrone though soon got into their stride with Sean Cavanagh, Tommy McGuigan and Stephen O'Neill all landing points before Enda McGinley fired in a twenty second minute goal for a lead that they were never to lose.
The Tyrone defence played particularly well with former All Star attacker Tommy Freeman the only starting Monaghan forward to feature among the scores. He hit a superb individual tally of ten points but on the day it wasn't enough to prevent Seamus McEnaney's side from slipping to defeat. With Sean Cavanagh and Stephen O'Neill helping themselves to seven points each and Enda McGinley and Aidan Cassidy on top in midfield Tyrone surged into a 1-13 to 0-9 lead by the 13th minute of the second half and they were full value for that advantage as they played some superb football. Monaghan though hit back with Tommy Freeman leading the way in the scoring stakes and Paul Meegan, Paul McGuigan and Dessie Mone all coming off the bench to make a scoring contribution. Tyrone though weren't going to let a winning position slip and efforts from Sean Cavanagh, Gareth Devlin and man of the match Stephen O'Neill ensured victory.
Tyrone - Johnny Curran, Mickey McGee, Joe McMahon, Philip Jordan, Davy Harte, Peter Donnelly, Martin Swift, Enda McGinley, Aidan Cassidy, Ryan Mellon, Tommy McGuigan, Raymond Mulgrew, Gareth Devlin, Sean Cavanagh, Stephen O'Neill. Subs - Martin Penrose for Ryan Mellon, Kevin Hughes for Peter Donnelly, Jason McAnulla for Gareth Devlin, Collie Holmes for Enda McGinley, Conor O'Donnell for Stephen O'Neill
Monaghan - Padraig McBennett, Dermot McArdle, Mark McNally, Gary McEnaney, Vinny Corey, James Conlon, Conor McManus, Dick Clerkin, Paul Finlay, Kieran Hughes, Shane Smyth, Damien Freeman, Ciaran Hanratty, Brendan McKenna, Tommy Freeman. Subs - Dessie Mone for Kieran Hughes, Mark Downey for Damien Freeman, Rory Woods for Shane Smyth, Paul Meegan for Ciaran Hanratty, Shane Smyth for Brendan McKenna, Paul McGuigan for James Conlon [yellow]
Tyrone scorers - Sean Cavanagh 0-7, Stephen O'Neill 0-7, Enda McGinley 1-1, Gareth Devlin 0-2, Tommy McGuigan 0-1
Monaghan scorers - Tommy Freeman 0-10, Paul Meegan 0-2, Conor McManus 0-1, Dick Clerkin 0-1, Paul Finlay 0-1, Dessie Mone 0-1, Paul McGuigan 0-1
Referee - John Joe Cleary, Derry
Attendance - 1,211
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=739
Derry 0-13
Donegal 0-13
Two superbly taken frees from Eoghan Brown in the closing minutes earned Derry a deserved draw in an at times entertaining game in testing conditions at O'Cahan Park, Dungiven yesterday afternoon. The game was in doubt until a hour before the throw in, the blanket of snow that covered the pitch in the morning melting away to allow the game to go ahead after a couple of pitch inspections. With nothing much at stake-Derry already gone from the competition, Donegal safely through to a semi final meeting with Armagh-the game lacked the intensity normally associated with these North-West rivals.
Yet Antrim referee Gregory Walsh still saw fit to issue five 'yellow' cards, three against Derry in a crucial twenty minute spell in the second half, one in each half against the visitors.His decision-making in 'card selection' was confusing and perplexing at times, 'black cards' issued where 'yellow' looked more appropriate, no cards flourished on two or three for off the ball holding by defenders. Still the small band of hardy fans saw some excellent finishing from both teams, from frees and open play.
Donegal centre half forward David Walsh picked off three superb scores in the second half, while the free taking of Stephen Griffin and Kevin McMenamin in the first half contributed to four of their five points. Enda Lynn and Seamus Bradley were to the fore for Derry in the scoring stakes in the first half as the sides traded points for 0-05 each before Derry pulled away in the final minutes of the half to lead 0-08 to 0-05 at the break. The introduction of Conal Dunne and Neil Gallagher ten minutes into the second half, the switch of Barry Monaghan to the heart of the defence, allied to the loss of Joe Diver and Paul Cartin to yellow cards, turned the game inexorably at 0-11 to 0-08, five unanswered points putting Donegal in control with seven minutes to go.
However the home side showed commendable determination in deteriorating conditions to pressurise the Donegal defence into errors, and the concession of a couple of frees that Brown pointed. After two minutes Sean martin Lockhart was penalised for touching the ball on the ground and Kevin McMenamin pointed. Enda Lynn then swept past Kevin Rafferty to dissect the posts, Seamus Bradley putting Derry 0-02 to 0-01 ahead in the 11th minute from a Paul Young pass.
Stephen Griffin levelled from a free, Enda Lynn edging Derry 0-03 to 0-02 ahead before Griffin and McMenamin landed free for a 0-04 to 0-03 Donegal lead midway through the half. Gavan McShane and Paul Cartin had points either side a fisted score from Griffin, Bradley free, Lynn and Eoghan Brown on target as Derry took a 0-08 to 0-03 advantage to the break. Ciaran Bonner was yellow carded three minutes from half time.
Within five minutes of the restart Derry had extended the lead to 0-11 to 0-06, Brown and Lynn responding to a third minute pointed free from Griffin.
McMenamin and Griffin from a free cut the lead, Derry's Joe Diver and Paul Cartin yellow carded either side of these scores. Seamus Bradley restored Derry's three point lead in the 47th minute but three well taken points from David Walsh and one each from substitutes Neil Gallagher and Brendan Boyle put Donegal in control, especially as Patsy Bradley who had a fine game as a defensive midfielder, was shown a yellow card in the 53rd minute.
However Eoghan Brown scored two fine pointed frees in the gathering gloom, honours even at the final whistle.
The Derry scorers were Enda Lynn 0-03, Seamus Bradley 0-04, 0-01 free, Eoghan Brown 0-04, 0-02 frees, Gavan McShane and Paul Cartin 0-01 each
The Donegal scorers were Stephen Griffin 0-05, 0-04 frees, Kevin McMenamin 0-03, 0-02 frees, David Walsh 0-03, Neil Gallagher and Brendan Boyle 0-01 each
Derry
Shane McGuckin; Brian Og McAlary, Sean Martin Lockhart, Michael Drumm; Paul Cartin, Chris McKaigue, Barry McGuigan; Joe Diver, Patsy Bradley; Enda Lynn, Paul Young, Brian Mullan; Seamus Bradley, Gavan McShane, Eoghan Brown
-Aidan McAlynn for Joe Diver 45 mins Yellow
-Mickey McBride for Paul Cartin 49 mins Yellow
-Paul Murphy for Gavan McShane 52 mins
-Caolan O'Boyle for Patsy Bradley 53 mins Yellow
-Kevin O'Connor for Paul Young 65 mins
Donegal
Eunan McGinley; Johnny Gallagher, Raymond Sweeney, Paddy McDaid; Eamon McGee, Kevin Rafferty, Shane McGowan; Ciaran Bonner, Rory Kavanagh; Michael Doherty, David Walsh, Odhran Doherty; Kevin McMenamin, Ryan Bradley, Stephen Griffin
-Barry Monaghan for Ciaran Bonner 32 mins Yellow
-Caolan McGettigan for Eunan McGinley H-T
-Conal Dunne for Odhran Doherty 44 mins
-Neil Gallagher for Ryan Bradley 44 mins
-Brendan Boyle for Rory Kavanagh 55 mins
-Charlie Byrne for Kevin Rafferty 70 mins Yellow
Referee Gregory Walsh Antrim
http://www.derrygaa.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=952&Itemid=56
Paddy Power odds:
Donegal 10-11 Armagh 6-5
Down 10-11 QUB 11-10
Many going to Omagh tonight?
Much snow up there?
Are any of the radio stations providing Live coverage of the Armagh v Donegal game ?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 21, 2009, 11:21:30 AM
Many going to Omagh tonight?
Much snow up there?
No snow at the minute Goat,mild day for a change compared to yesterday!! Omagh very heavy goin at weekend,expect the same 2nite which i think favours Donegal a bit,because all the fields in Donegal are heavy on the legs!! ;D :P
Quote from: Flex on January 21, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
Are any of the radio stations providing Live coverage of the Armagh v Donegal game ?
Should be a whack of it on Highland Radio.
They have a wee GAA show on Wednesdays anyway.
Any word Teams? Heard Peadar Toal is starting for Armagh.
Quote from: drici on January 21, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: Flex on January 21, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
Are any of the radio stations providing Live coverage of the Armagh v Donegal game ?
Should be a whack of it on Highland Radio.
They have a wee GAA show on Wednesdays anyway.
Nothing on Highland at the moment. Anyone know another station that might be broadcasting it??
2nd Half on Highland
Donegal 0-7
Armagh 0-4
Latest
half time
donegal 0-10
armagh 0-7
Half time Don 10 - Armagh 7.
Hould on a second. It is clear that the Donegal team has been stolen and replaced with other players. 10 points in a half and 9 of them from play? ???
from Highland, Donegal 12 - 8 Armagh
Paddy McKeever on for Joe Feeney, who had been playing well.
Ronan to full forward, having played on the 40.
Malachy Mackin hits wide :-\
Teams and scorers so far - Donegal 0-12 Armagh 0-8 9mins into second half
ARMAGH: P McEvoy; G Smyth, V Martin, B Shannon; C Rafferty, T McClelland, B McDonald; J Lavery, S O'Neill; M O'Rourke, B Mallon, P Toal (0-3, 3f); J Feeney (0-3), R Clarke (0-2, 2f), K O'Rourke. Subs: M Mackin for Martin (34); N O'Rourke for Smyth (34);P McKeever for Feeney (41);
DONEGAL: P Durcan; J Gallagher, R Sweeney, P McDaid; C Byrne (0-1), B Monaghan, E McGee; N Gallagher, B Boyle (0-1); C Bonner, C Dunne, R Kavanagh; K McMenamin (0-2, 1f), S Griffin (0-4, 1f), D Walsh (0-4).
goal for armagh !
Armagh goal!
Goal
Donegal almost get goal, but end up with point. 0-13 to 1-8.
Kevin O'Rourke gets great point for Armagh 0-13 to 1-9.
goal for donegal
Commentator seems to think it's not actually important to mention if it is a score or not.
Penalty for Armagh
Goalie saves shot from Clarke, but McKeever hits it in on rebound
one point in it.
seems a good game
How long is left?
less than ten mins
5 mins
donegal 2 points up with 3 mins left
ah balls come on armagh!!!
Feck yous. There was me posting the scores in the "Latest score" thread not knowing you were saving me the bother here :D
Seems like a good game all right. Armagh will have to be happy with the performance of their "second string". Or else Donegal are just #£$%.
these new rules seem to be favoring forwards -how will armagh do in the league now? it would seem the best attacking team are better off??
Sin é
Donegal go through after ref refuses penalty to Armagh!!
Donegal win. Sounds like Armagh sould have had a 2nd penalty at the death.
Quote from: The Iceman on January 21, 2009, 09:01:02 PM
these new rules seem to be favoring forwards -how will armagh do in the league now? it would seem the best attacking team are better off??
It would be interesting to compare the McKenna cup scoring (total/frees) from this year with previous years.
unbel finish
Martin McHugh unbiased opionion
Decent performance from Armagh - roll on Wexford...
Fair play to Highland FM for covering the match
Why was the penalty refused??
Does that mean the final will be in Omagh?
prob omagh or enniskillen
What was the final score ?
D 1.14 A 2.09
How was McEvoy's kick-outs, I heard he made a great save and had not much chance with the goal... right or wrong?
Quote from: downgirl on January 21, 2009, 09:09:25 PM
Why was the penalty refused??
Does that mean the final will be in Omagh?
looks like it
Decent enough game considering the weather and the state of that dreadful pitch. Omagh have a lovely set up but that surface is horrible, it was like an ice rink with the amount of slipping and sliding tonight.
Donegal just about deserved to win but we could've nicked it at the death when the ref seemed to bottle it on a penalty call as Clarke looked to be pulled down.
For those that care this is how I thought the Armagh lads got on:
McEvoy - No chance for the goal after McClelland sold him down the river. Kick outs were OK, but just OK. No great distance and seemed to be just aimed down the middle. Did make a decent save to his credit.
Smyth - Cleaned out completely and didn't make it to half time. Will be very fortunate to see anymore action in an orange jersey this year.
Martin - Cleaned out too, didn't last 10 mins at FB. Was moved out the field were he looks more comfortable and wasn't doing too badly for the rest of the half but couldn't really complain about being withdrawn before half time.
Shannon - Was the pick of the FB line, but that's not saying much.
Rafferty - Not really that involved, lost his man too often.
McClelland - Was probably the pick of the backs until his howler gifted Donegal a goal. Played most of the game at FB where he looked a bit uncomfortable.
McDonald - See Rafferty.
Lavery - Quiet. Looks like a man that hasn't played a lot of football recently. Need plenty of league game time to bring him on.
O'Neill - Also quiet. Didn't really catch any ball or get involved enough. I thought it would've been better to leave Martin on around the middle and take O'Neill off before half time.
Martin O'Rourke - Was uncharacteristically quiet. Got yellowed for being a bit reckless with his feet. That's 2 yellows for him now, does he miss the Wexford game?
Mallon - Got more involved in the second half but I thought he was playing too deep. Seems to have the CHF position sown up.
Toal - I thought he was very good. Got stuck in plenty (he must've been reading The GAA's comments about him after the Cavan game) and knocked over his frees easily enough. This guy could be a real player if he's managed properly and gets a good run in the team.
Feeney - Was very good too. Scored 3 from play and looked lively. Looked to have picked up a nasty arm/wrist injury though, I wouldn't be surprised if he's broken something which would be a real pity cuz he'd probably miss the league then.
Clarke - Played around the forty/midfield again and it was only a partial success. Every time he get the ball out there you get the feeling that you wish he was hitting the ball into himself on the edge of the square. When he was eventually moved inside he caused Donegal lots of problems, I don't see the logic in keeping him away from the area that he'll do the most damage in.
Kevin O'Rourke - Was very lively and scored a lovely goal by lopping the keeper (not sure if he meant it though, if he did it was sublime). Also scored one of the best points of the game. Would be a tremendous prospect if there wasn't a nagging doubt over his size. Worth a run in the league anyway.
Subs:
Mackin - On for Martin. Didn't do a lot. Not the answer for our midfield troubles.
Neil O'Rourke - On for Smyth. Put himself about alright and made a few good tackles but was still a member of a very shaky defence.
Paddy McKeever - On for Feeney. Nipped in well for the rebound of Clarke's penalty, apart from that not much.
Toner - On for McDonald. Didn't really notice him.
Conor Clarke - On for Martin O'Rourke after his yellow. No time to get involved.
All in all not a bad McKenna Cup from an Armagh point of view. Don't think any of the defenders really showed up, apart from Donaghy looking the part at FB. None of the midfielders tried did much to increase their reputations either. But the area that we've struggled in most in recent years, the forward line, is also the area that a few prospects seemed to have shown up for us in the last few games. Henderson, Kevin O'Rourke, Toal and Feeney (if fit) all look like they could step up to the next level, which would be fantastic. Even if we can only bring one of these guys through over the league it will aid our chances no end by taking some of the scoring pressure away from Ronan and Stevie.
Any of the newer Donegal lads look promising AFS?
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From the Belfast Telegraph...
Donegal 1-14 Armagh 2-9
Thursday, 22 January 2009
Donegal have qualified for the final of the McKenna Cup after with a spirited display against Armagh in Healy Park last night.
Donegal were on top in the first half but had just three points to spare at the break, 0-10 to 0-7, thanks mainly to indiscipline which saw two easy points for Armagh for frees moved on.
Donegal were 0-4 to 0-1 up after eight minutes through Stephen Griffin, who got two, Brendan Boyle and David Walsh.
Joe Feeney had the opening Armagh point and the same player had the third while Peadar Toal pointed a free.
Kevin McMenamin and Feeney traded points before Donegal took a four-point lead with three points in as many minutes from David Walsh, with a couple of scores, and Charlie Byrne with 24 minutes gone.
In the final ten minutes Donegal had two further points from Stephen Griffin, while Peadar Toal with two frees and another from Ronan Clarke kept the Armagh men in touch.
Donegal's total in the opening half all came from play apart from the final pointed free from Griffin.
But both sides found scores much harder to come by in the second half and by the 40th minute Donegal were four clear with Walsh and McMenamin to a Ronan Clarke free.
Armagh, though, got themselves right back in the game when Kevin O'Rourke chipped Paul Durcan for a goal on 50 minutes.
David Walsh then had a great goal chance for Donegal a couple of minutes later but Brendan Boyle restored the two-point advantage with a well-taken score of his own.
There were then two goals in four minutes. David Walsh availed of a slip in the Armagh defence to put Donegal four clear but then
Ronan Clarke won a penalty and even though his kick was saved, Paddy McKeever followed up to score.
Michael Doherty then landed a '45' and Donegal held on to just about deserve the win.
Donegal have not had McKenna Cup success since 1991 when the Armagh-born Charlie Mulgrew was captain.
Scorers: Donegal - David Walsh 1-4; Stephen Griffin 0-4,1f; Brendan Boyle 0-2; Kevin McMenamin 0-2; Charlie Byrne, Michael Doherty 45 0-1each.
Armagh; Kevin O'Rourke 1-1; Joe Feeney 0-3; Paddy McKeever 1-0; Peadar Toal 0-3,3f; Ronan Clarke 0-2,2f.
Donegal: P Durcan; J Gallagher, R Sweeney, P McDaid; C Byrne, BMonaghan, E McGee; N Gallagher, B Boyle; C Bonner, C Dunne, R Kavanagh; K McMenamin, S Byrne, D Walsh. Subs. M Doherty for C Bonner; L Thompson for Walsh
(S. Byrne is presumably Stephen Griffin!)
Armagh: P McEvoy; G Smyth, V Martin, B Shannon; C Rafferty, T McClelland, B McDonald; J Lavery, S O'Neill; M O'Rourke, B Mallon, P Toal; J Feeney, R Clarke, K O'Rourke. Subs.M Mackin for Martin; N O'Rourke for Smyth; P McKeever for J Feeney; B Toner for B McDonald; C Clarke for M O'Rourke (yellow)
Referee: A McAlynn (Derry)
Don't know many of the Armagh lads, so it looks like maybe Donegal had a bit more experience out there, although that is very, very far from a first choice side and many of the familiar names have only been fringe players. Hopefully lads like Paddy McDaid, Stephen Griffin, Johnny Gallagher and David Walsh (all of whom got a taste last year in the championship under McIvor) will have good leagues and be pushing for a championship place. Don't know about the likes of Conal Dunne, Kevin McMenamin and Michael Doherty - they've been given chances before but haven't been good enough to nail down places, except the 2006 season in the case of Dunne and Doherty, when McFadden and Devenney opted out. If Griffin could take a bit of pressure off McFadden and Murphy, with Walsh also capable of taking scores, along with Rory Kavanagh, from the half-forward line, we might be in a bit better shape this year. Hopefully Brendan Boyle will make the midfield vacancy his, but he's been out injured for a few years, so who knows.
The Donegal county board must be a bit hard up after all the managerial shenanigans. The team has reverted back to their old gear for the McKenna Cup matches.
That's a fair assessment AFS. I'd agree with most of that.
2 Questions for Armagh Posters-
Why has Henderson not featured since the Queens game?
Is Ronan Austin injured and could he be a "solution" to Armagh's midfield problems?
Quote from: Off The Fence on January 22, 2009, 08:56:02 AM
2 Questions for Armagh Posters-
Why has Henderson not featured since the Queens game?
Is Ronan Austin injured and could he be a "solution" to Armagh's midfield problems?
Armagh squad is carrying a lot of injuries... Henderson, Toner, McKeever, Donaghy, Finn Mo, Andy Mallon...
Austie isn't the answer in my opinion. It'll be Paul McGrane again, with either Lavery, Toner or McKenna, with Charlie Vernon as a 3rd i would reckon.
Thanks for the summary AFS.
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5776/2009/1/22/608265_369986309226Donegalra.html
Donegal rain supreme
Dr McKenna Cup semi-final Armagh 2-9 Donegal 1-14
John Joe Doherty is closing in on his first trophy as Donegal manager, but the attacking class of Stephen Griffin and David Walsh would have counted for nothing had corner-back Paddy McDaid not taken centre stage as the late, late hero at Healy Park last night.
Ronan Clarke looked odds-on to blast home what would have been a match-winning goal in a dramatic
finish, but McDaid's stoppage-time block saved the day, and sent Tir Chonaill through to the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup final.
There were calls for a penalty from the Armagh players and fans, but Derry referee Aidan McAlynn got the call spot on, and this was the final act in a dramatic and generously
entertaining encounter played in atrocious conditions.
A more experienced Donegal side always looked capable of holding sway, but their failure to turn periods of dominance into significant blocks of scores almost cost them dearly, after Armagh struck for second half goals through Kevin O'Rourke and substitute Paddy McKeever.
Doherty is happy to have another game ahead of the NFL, but in his post-match musings, he appeared more concerned with the big League opener against Kerry on Sunday week than with this Saturday's McKenna Cup decider against either Down or Queen's.
"Kerry is going to be a very, very tough opener, and we'll know more about our team coming back from Kerry than we will anytime up to then," said the 1992 All-Ireland-winning corner-back.
"Where else would be better to play football than down in Kerry, so we're looking forward to it."
Three games unbeaten in 2009,
Doherty is encouraged by the way his team is shaping up, with a handful of newcomers making their mark.
"I'm happy in so far as the marker has been laid down, the hard work will have to be done. It's encouraging so far," he added.
"There's a lot of injured players who will be coming back into the set-up over the next couple of weeks."
A constant drizzle left the Healy Park surface greasy, and difficult for the players to hold their footing, but Donegal made light of the conditions to perform with some poise in a first half that saw them shoot 10 points, all but one of them from play.
The elusive Kevin McMenamin was a constant thorn in the side of the Orchard defence, always out in front to claim possession and offload to effect.
David Walsh was the chief beneficiary of 'Wappa's' impact, hitting three points, with full-forward Stephen Griffin also claiming three from play and tagging on a free as well.
Armagh had their own opportunist in Joe Feeney, who twice capitalised on slack defending to hit two of his three first half scores from play.
It was Donegal, with Neil Gallagher and Brendan Boyle making an impact in midfield, who had the better of the opening 25 minutes' action, building up a 0-8 to 0-4 lead.
But some uncertainty at the back allowed Peadar Toal to keep Peter McDonnell's side in touch from frees.
Barry Monaghan, on a milestone evening which saw him make his 100th Donegal appearance, can count himself somewhat fortunate to escape a yellow card for a couple of rash challenges on roving Orchard playmaker Ronan Clarke.
Two Griffin points late in the half maintained Donegal's four points advantage, but a Clarke free narrowed the gap to three, the men from Tir Chonaill ahead by 0-10 to 0-7 at the break.
Clarke reverted to his accustomed full-forward role after Feeney went off with an injury, and provided the decoy run which allowed Kevin O'Rourke to drift in and lob a delightful goal which left just a point between the sides with 50 minutes played.
Donegal had a goal chance moments later when Griffin slipped a clever pass to Walsh, but Philip McEvoy was quickly off his line to smother the Naomh Brid man's shot.
John Joe Doherty's men did net in the 57th minute when Walsh picked up a wayward clearance to cut in from the right and rifle the ball home. Moments later, however, his game was over as he hobbled off with a leg injury.
There was more drama at the other end when Clarke was hauled down going for goal. He took the penalty himself, but saw his shot saved by Paul Durcan, with substitute Paddy McKeever in like a flash to net from the rebound.
But corner-back McDaid emerged as the match-winner with a superb block on Clarke as he bore down on goal in the dying moments.
MATCH STATS
Donegal: P Durcan; J Gallagher, R Sweeney, P McDaid; C Byrne (0-1), B Monaghan,
E McGee; N Gallagher, B Boyle (0-2);
C Bonner, C Dunne, R Kavanagh;
K McMenamin (0-2, 0-1 free), S Griffin
(0-4, 0-1 free), D Walsh (1-4).
Subs: M Doherty (0-1, '45') for Bonner (52), L Thompson for Walsh (59)
Armagh: P McEvoy; G Smyth, V Martin,
B Shannon; C Rafferty, T McClelland,
B McDonald; J Lavery, S O'Neill;
M O'Rourke, B Mallon; P Toal (0-3, 0-3 frees); J Feeney (0-3), R Clarke (0-2, 0-2 frees), K O'Rourke (1-1).
Subs: M Mackin for Martin (33), N O'Rourke for Smyth (33), P McKeever (1-0) for Feeney (51), B Toner for McDonald (50)
Referee: A McAlynn (Derry)
Went to Omagh myself last night, pleasantly surprised as the game was very entertaining. Strange game as both sets of forwards played well whereas defences and MF's on both sides were pretty poor.
Thought maybe only Chris Rafferty and Shannon looked like they might have a future in county football although I doubt either will be troubling McDonnell come the summer. I thought McClelland was awful, might have made one or two decent interceptions but he was cleaned by and large. Mal Mackin seemed to play CHB when brought on and he had another shocker, I seriously doubt if he'll ever kick another ball for the county. A definite second best in MF, Lavery's first game in a year, so I'd say there's more to come from him, O'Neill did some dirty work but I doubt he has a future at this level.
The forwards seemed to function pretty well despite the same oul sh1te tactics, nearly everyone contributed. Feeney took 3 good points in the first half (although he should have passed for a goal chance on one) and went off with a shoulder injury. Peadar had an excellent first half, contributed less in the second but was still good. Kevin O'Rourke's goal was sublime and I think he got a good point as well, having watched O'Rourke a fair bit before, he could be the one to make a breakthrough. Clarke worked like a dog the whole game – very good.
Have to say I thought it was a blatant penalty at the end. The Irish News said a well timed tackle, to me it looked like it was a tackle from behind and secondly as Clarke was about to pull the trigger the Donegal man kicked the ball from his hand. Maybe I was seeing things.
Maybe its because i haven't seen much live football lately but jaysus i really enjoyed the game last night. it wasn't the very highest quality but the commitent and competitiveness was top drawer. looking at the impact of the new rules, it makes for attacking football but for someone who loves the physical aspect and appreciates the art of the tackle, its a nonsense. all over the pitch players simply shadowed their men. very rarely were there committed tackles and when martin o'rourke fractionally mistimed a shoulder charge he was yellow carded. not for me i'm afraid.
From an armagh perspective, the full back line was very shaky. martin and smith were cleaned out, though i thought shannon stuck to a very difficult task manfully. smith is just not county material. martin was faring better at half back. McEvoy kicked the ball out rightly i thought... certainly further than Durcan who's kicks were very high but covered no distance. he also made a couple of good interceptions and a great save at a forward's feet. mcclelland had a shocker. he was getting badly exposed at 6 and the move to 3 didn't help him much. wing backs were very ordinary altogether and were neither shutting their men down nor pushing forward. Midfield was poor. i just don't know about Lavery and ONeill appears to lack strength and confidence.
the lack of ball being won probably sucked the half forwards further towards the middle but to little effect. o'rourke and toal worked and battled hard but nothing constructive came off either of them. mallon was very disappointing for me. he spent the whole night carrying ball out of his own defence and consequently created nothing and wasn't within 80 yards of a shooting opportunity. clarke really played centre forward to limited success. his quality is lost in the malaise and any good touches weren't as constructive so far from goal. he was excellent when he went inside in the second half. its a no brainer for me. clarke plays full forward.
Feeney was the real plus of the night. won loads of ball in front and took his man on constantly to good effect. three neat points from play added up to a great first half from him. very disappointing to see him go off injured early in the second half. i wasn't as impressed with o'rourke i have to say. i thought he was hiding in the first half and didn't want the ball but he showed more hunger after the break. his point was excellent, as was his goal if he meant it, but he wasted a lot of good oppportunities by not passing or running down blind alleys.
Donegal played their usual fluid running game with measured low ball into a very sharp and islolated front 3. McMenamin was very sharp and held onto some difficult ball. the two men who impressed me most were conall dunne at 11, who everything went through and particularly Griffin at full forward who Armagh could do nothing with. walsh had a good first half. Not great from the rest but obviously enough to win the game!
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 12:37:13 AM
All in all not a bad McKenna Cup from an Armagh point of view. Don't think any of the defenders really showed up, apart from Donaghy looking the part at FB. None of the midfielders tried did much to increase their reputations either. But the area that we've struggled in most in recent years, the forward line, is also the area that a few prospects seemed to have shown up for us in the last few games. Henderson, Kevin O'Rourke, Toal and Feeney (if fit) all look like they could step up to the next level, which would be fantastic. Even if we can only bring one of these guys through over the league it will aid our chances no end by taking some of the scoring pressure away from Ronan and Stevie.
Don't really agree with that AFS. Even though we made the knock out stages, I've been a bit underwhelmed by the 4 matches so far. Defensively we've been very poor. Of all the players we've tried defensively, very few have made any impression and none really look like adding to our options. I suppose Rafferty's been reasonable enough and to be fair, while he had a poor match against Antrim, Neil O'Rourke did well when he came on last night. Did Feeney scores 0-3? Was that mainly in the first 15 minutes as I was late arriving (traffic coming out of belfast was wild). Kevin O'Rourke's goal was nearly worth the trip itself and he scored a great point as well.
My initial reaction at the end was that it was a penalty but I was a brave bit away. Would have been a bit harsh on Donegal though their goal was an absolute gift from McClelland who otherwise has looked solid enough.
I thought it was a good tackle at the end but it was very hard to see
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 22, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 12:37:13 AM
All in all not a bad McKenna Cup from an Armagh point of view. Don't think any of the defenders really showed up, apart from Donaghy looking the part at FB. None of the midfielders tried did much to increase their reputations either. But the area that we've struggled in most in recent years, the forward line, is also the area that a few prospects seemed to have shown up for us in the last few games. Henderson, Kevin O'Rourke, Toal and Feeney (if fit) all look like they could step up to the next level, which would be fantastic. Even if we can only bring one of these guys through over the league it will aid our chances no end by taking some of the scoring pressure away from Ronan and Stevie.
Don't really agree with that AFS. Even though we made the knock out stages, I've been a bit underwhelmed by the 4 matches so far. Defensively we've been very poor. Of all the players we've tried defensively, very few have made any impression and none really look like adding to our options. I suppose Rafferty's been reasonable enough and to be fair, while he had a poor match against Antrim, Neil O'Rourke did well when he came on last night. Did Feeney scores 0-3? Was that mainly in the first 15 minutes as I was late arriving (traffic coming out of belfast was wild). Kevin O'Rourke's goal was nearly worth the trip itself and he scored a great point as well.
My initial reaction at the end was that it was a penalty but I was a brave bit away. Would have been a bit harsh on Donegal though their goal was an absolute gift from McClelland who otherwise has looked solid enough.
Really? As I've said I don't think many of the defenders or midfielders tried look like they're gonna trouble the incumbents, but were there not enough bright sparks from the few forwards that I've mentioned to encourage you? We need new forwards more than anything and I reckon 1 or 2 of those lads could be the real deal.
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 22, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 12:37:13 AM
All in all not a bad McKenna Cup from an Armagh point of view. Don't think any of the defenders really showed up, apart from Donaghy looking the part at FB. None of the midfielders tried did much to increase their reputations either. But the area that we've struggled in most in recent years, the forward line, is also the area that a few prospects seemed to have shown up for us in the last few games. Henderson, Kevin O'Rourke, Toal and Feeney (if fit) all look like they could step up to the next level, which would be fantastic. Even if we can only bring one of these guys through over the league it will aid our chances no end by taking some of the scoring pressure away from Ronan and Stevie.
Don't really agree with that AFS. Even though we made the knock out stages, I've been a bit underwhelmed by the 4 matches so far. Defensively we've been very poor. Of all the players we've tried defensively, very few have made any impression and none really look like adding to our options. I suppose Rafferty's been reasonable enough and to be fair, while he had a poor match against Antrim, Neil O'Rourke did well when he came on last night. Did Feeney scores 0-3? Was that mainly in the first 15 minutes as I was late arriving (traffic coming out of belfast was wild). Kevin O'Rourke's goal was nearly worth the trip itself and he scored a great point as well.
My initial reaction at the end was that it was a penalty but I was a brave bit away. Would have been a bit harsh on Donegal though their goal was an absolute gift from McClelland who otherwise has looked solid enough.
Really? As I've said I don't think many of the defenders or midfielders tried look like they're gonna trouble the incumbents, but were there not enough bright sparks from the few forwards that I've mentioned to encourage you? We need new forwards more than anything and I reckon 1 or 2 of those lads could be the real deal.
Based on the one game I saw and various reports, I have to go with AFS on this, but there is not much in it.
The two keepers have both impressed which is good.
Defence wise? A lot of players have had varying degrees of success. By reports, Shannon has had two good games in a row, which will obviously help.
I know Smyth has been seen as poor but in the Queen's game he was excellent. Rafferty and Donnelly also impressed me as well. Donaghy seems a cert for the number 3 spot, a class act and, although he was poor last night, McClelllnad has looked good.
Midfield – biggest problem area for me. Everybody seemed to do ok, but nobody had a stormer or stood out significantly. There was a window open and McDonnell has often said he needs more midfielders. People have been steadt but, realistically, we needed one or two to have class games. That said, it is January football and if you make a couple of clean catches you are doing ok. Boys are not sharp yet so nobody can be expected to dominate.
Forward wise – The two O'Rourkes and Henderson have impressed and all three will be confident of pushing on from here.
Overall the League will tell a much bigger tale than the McKenna Cup. It is an indicator rather than a decider. See how the lads do in the league and then judge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/puffbox/hyperpuff/wide_site/rugby_union/ulster/7845053.stm
Looked a good tackle to me. Knowing Barnsey, eh certainly meant that chip.
How much will the admission be tonight for the Down game?
I'd imagine it'll be the same....£8 or 10 yo yos
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 02:31:10 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/puffbox/hyperpuff/wide_site/rugby_union/ulster/7845053.stm
Looked a good tackle to me. Knowing Barnsey, eh certainly meant that chip.
Fair play to BBC for those highlights, you couldn't really ask for any more for whats really just a pre-season friendly. All we're asking from them is to do this on a constant basis. I wonder if this wasn't a midweek match when there was f**k all else on, would they have bothered going to the effort though.
Also corn, despite Austin's remarks I reckon that's a definite penalty. The Donegal player doesn't touch the ball and comes down on Clarke's legs instead. That's not a legal tackle, you're supposed to tackle the ball not the man.
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 02:31:10 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/puffbox/hyperpuff/wide_site/rugby_union/ulster/7845053.stm
Looked a good tackle to me. Knowing Barnsey, eh certainly meant that chip.
Fair play to BBC for those highlights, you couldn't really ask for any more for whats really just a pre-season friendly. All we're asking from them is to do this on a constant basis. I wonder if this wasn't a midweek match when there was f**k all else on, would they have bothered going to the effort though.
Yes, more like that please.
Quote from: AFS on January 22, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Also corn, despite Austin's remarks I reckon that's a definite penalty. The Donegal player doesn't touch the ball and comes down on Clarke's legs instead. That's not a legal tackle, you're supposed to tackle the ball not the man.
I hadn't the sound on, what did Austy say?
It looks like his right hand makes contact with the ball.
Austy also thinks it was a good tackle. I just can't see the Donegal lad making contact with the ball. The way I see it he falls across Clarke, who loses control of the ball as he loses his balance. Doesn't matter a whole pile at the end of the day, just as long as we're not at the wrong end of some of these calls later on this year.
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Playoffs
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Queens University Down Pairc Esler Newry Down 22/01/2009 19:30 Pat McEnaney S-Final
Anyone have any updates of the score of the Down V Queens match?
down 1-5 0-8 queens h/t
8-8 half time down missed 2 goal chances good open game
Keep them coming lads .
Who are the scorers so far?
Down team I am told is,
Mcallister
Cole
Mckernan
Duffin
Garvey
Carr
Davey
Lynch
Ireland
Kearney
Sexton
Fegan
Hughes
Magee c
Benny
Luke Howard marking Benny, Benny looking v sharp, Vernon v impressive for queens!
Queens 4 up, one way traffic
1.11 to 1.7 to queens. Running through down defence. Too predictable. High ball to beny. Charlie vernon. Monster.
1-13 to 1-9
courtney and veron must be dominating lynch and old team mate Ireland??
down make any changes there?
1-16 to 1-10 few left
1-17 to 1-11. Good value at 13-8 for those who did
Ah balls. Aw well means I can go out on Sat night now.
Quote from: Buckass on January 22, 2009, 09:13:19 PM
1-17 to 1-11. Good value at 13-8 for those who did
Had only a tenner on, but better than nothing - 6/4 for me. >:(
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
only got 6-4 myself with Boyles but saw powers went 13-8 after Down got backed in from 10-11 to 8-13. Feared a student attempt to pay for Sigerson expenses!A O'R would have enjoyed that tonight
Quote from: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
Might have a similar physique but he's a different type of player. Seems to be improving all the time, looking forward to seeing him in an orange jersey this year :)
Quote from: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
Don't think that the Armagh posters will agree with that. There would be alot of doubts about whether he can deliver on the big occasion and if people are making comparisons with Mc Geeney, then they are being a bit presumptious.
The finals on tg4 on saturday, programme starts at 7.15pm
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
Don't think that the Armagh posters will agree with that. There would be alot of doubts about whether he can deliver on the big occasion and if people are making comparisons with Mc Geeney, then they are being a bit presumptious.
As a Down fan I never quite bought into this Kernan-hyped McGeeney myth but to me Vernon is the real deal - best natural gaelic footballer I have ssen emerge in the last 5 years, physique, brains, two feet, athletic - got it all.
McDonnell can safely build a team around this guy and we will all be afraid.
Tyrone V Monaghan match on TG4 can be found here:
Go to sport:
http://www.tg4.tv/channels/SportArchive.aspx#
Must agree with most posters. Was at the match and Vernon is an animal, he's actually pretty skillful too for a big lad. If he had of been greedy he could have ended up with 5/6 points but laid the ball off to his team-mates. Actually thought Luke Howard had a good game too, spoiled plenty of ball that was going into Benny although Benny got away a couple of times and punished Queens.
Any reports from the game last night?
This working craic isn't on!
Who played well for Down?
Went to the game last night saying that Queens would overpower Down and that is exactly what they did. The game opened at 100mph and it seemed both sides were leaving it wide open. Down scored a very well worked goal after 10 minutes involving Benny Coulter and Magee. Coulter under a high ball is immense and is great to watch. Magee, although he took the ball well looked nervous and always looking to pass the ball. Queens settled down first and once they settled they literally cleaned up! I don't remember Down winning a ball around the middle of the field after the first 10-15 mins. Charlie Vernon cleaned up as did Courtney, O'Hagan and I think McArdle? SL MCGoldrick worked his socks off between the two 21's and this resulted in Queens dominance. After Down scored the goal, Queens just waltzed down the field and nabbed the 3 points back through Vernon, O'Neill and Kielt I think.
Second half was no different. Down threatend but in all honesty never looked like breaking down the Queens defence. Thought Luke Howard was superb in the FB line and surely must be a starter for Down this year. Amazingly, Downs midfield stayed on the field until the final 15 minutes. Queens could have taken a 40foot lorry down the middle of Pairc Esler last night, tehre was that much space for them. Down let them run at them at their ease.
Some great football by Queens in the second half with strong running down the middle from Vernon, Crozier and McGoldrick resulted in endless supply of quality ball been put into O'Neill and Kielt who cleaned up. Its great to see different balls go into these boys, whether it be the long high ball or the measured pass, these two boys will win it all night long for you! Two quality quality footballers who will work their socks off.
Down were pathetic to be honest. McKenna cup or no McKenna cup. These are the boys you will be using this year because the injured list looks long term and midfield is a massive problem area for them.
Best on the night for Down, Kevin McKernan tried his heart out and was fighting a losing battle by himself. Benny was Benny with no help whatsoever and thats probably it. For Queens, it was a real team performance and they were dominant throughout. Howard was very good as was O'Hagan. Up front McGoldrick, McGinn, Bayne and Loughry worked tirelessly in the half forward line and in the FF line, Shaun O'Neill and James Kielt were a class above the Down backs (excuse the pun). Man of the Match however was Charlie Vernon. The man looks like a machine and Down had no answer for him constantly running down the throat of them. Must have tagged on 3 or 4 points too for his efforts. Head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch and thats including James Kielt who was superb scoring 1-5.
Will be an interesting final and for the neutral, i hope that two games in two days doesn't destroy it for Queens.
Just a word on the referee before I finish. i thought McEneaney refereed this game excellently last night. Common sense prevailed on a night where open football was played. Seen it refereed like this gives you something to think about with these new rules, though Pat McEneaney cant referee every game on a Sunday. Wasn't looking to be centre of attention and let the game flow where he could.
Quote from: Leo on January 23, 2009, 12:27:17 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
Don't think that the Armagh posters will agree with that. There would be alot of doubts about whether he can deliver on the big occasion and if people are making comparisons with Mc Geeney, then they are being a bit presumptious.
As a Down fan I never quite bought into this Kernan-hyped McGeeney myth
Elaborate?
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
Don't think that the Armagh posters will agree with that. There would be alot of doubts about whether he can deliver on the big occasion and if people are making comparisons with Mc Geeney, then they are being a bit presumptious.
Charlie is 22, at 22 McGeeney was a very ordinary bit part player, if they follow the same path, i'll be happy.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 23, 2009, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
Vernon seemed to be star of the show! New Mc geeney I've just been told
Don't think that the Armagh posters will agree with that. There would be alot of doubts about whether he can deliver on the big occasion and if people are making comparisons with Mc Geeney, then they are being a bit presumptious.
Charlie is 22, at 22 McGeeney was a very ordinary bit part player, if they follow the same path, i'll be happy.
And for anyone who doesn't believe you, watch the Fermanagh comeback game, I think it was Geezer's debut, a very slight, dodgy looking corner back. Look what he became.
As a Down man and a Queens man I have to say I really enjoyed the match. It's great to see the Universities involved in this competition. It's just a pity that they weren't involved sooner. In particular the Queen's team of 1992-93, with Anthony Tohill, James McCartan, Kieran McGeeney, Paul Brewster (who was captain), a very young Paul McGrane, Cathal O'Rourke, Denis Hollywood, Paddy McGuinness, Eamonn Connolly, Eamonn Burns (Derry) and a lot of other quality players. Imagine what this team would have done!
As for last night, you must remember Down were missing a lot of players through injury and a flu bug. But that Queen's team is very well drilled and are extremely fit and sharp. Ithinkl a fully fit Down would still have struggled. Vernon was superb, Man of the Match, as was o'hAgain, Crozier and Howard in defence. Courtney and McArdle supported Vernon well and up front Bayne, McGoldrick and in particular Kielt and O'Neill tortured Down. Their support play and kick passing was brilliant. Aidan (O'Rourke) has done a great job. They could win the McKenna cup.
Looking forward to the first round of Sigerson, Quenns v Poly. Should be great.
Fantastic performance from the queens men last night. From the point of view of any county team and supporter its neither here nor there to lose a McKenna Cup game at this stage of the season. glorified challenge. however, to the universities its a massive achievement. vernon and howard are close to established county footballers and though crozier & loughrey start for antrim i'm not sure they would elsewhere. the rest of the lads might be McKenna cup panellists a best for their respective counties. from that point of view its a fantastic achievement.
Down were very poor. coulter and magee looked dangerous under the high ball early on, particularly after queens lost the full and corner back in the opening few minutes but when they settled the students handled them quite well. you wouldn't have known sexton and hughes were on the pitch. Lynch and to a lesser extent ireland were outclassed in the middle and the centre of the down defence was woejus. carr got a pasting from young maginn and o'neill won every ball in front of McKernan at full back.
for queens, vernon was immense as has been well documented but loughrey won possibly as much ball and it was great to see paul courtney back playing good football. Everything that was good about queens went through Maginn and the O'Neill / Kielt pairing were lethal. as a former queens man it'd be great to see them win the McKenna cup.... even though most people don't really care!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/7847332.stm
Nice scores from Charlie.
is this match on the radio
TG4 now tyronefan
watching it but cant understand irish hoping it was on the radio then i could watch it and listen to the radio
thanks afs
Sounds like you need to head on that Gaelteach course a lot more than your daughter :P
might go with her especially after hearing what hardstation was saying ;D
Is that Dan Mc Cartan who keeps roaring 'NEAR HAND, NEAR HAND' every time Donegal attack with the ball, or who is it?
Am I the only one finding it annoying?
6-3 to Queen's after 23 mins in case anyone was wondering.
poor enough crowd tonight
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 24, 2009, 07:53:39 PM
Donegal No.11 heading for an oscar. Should be off for diving and cheating. Fooling the ref every time.
Didn't mention it last Wednesday but Donegal were up to their fair share of gamesmanship in the semi final alright. If they're up in the last ten mins expect to see most of their team afflicted with a series temporary injuries and their GK to feel the need to run around for about 60 seconds before every kick out.
8-5 at HT.
Brendan McArdle off for Queen's with a yellow for a harmless foul. Yet another example of how stupid these rules are.
It was his third lazy foul. Deserved to go.
Maybe so. Just don't think a sending off is a proportionate sanction for a couple of harmless enough fouls.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 24, 2009, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 24, 2009, 08:15:43 PM
Maybe so. Just don't think a sending off is a proportionate sanction for a couple of harmless enough fouls.
But is does probably warrant a booking which is what he got.
Suppose I just don't think you should be given the line for a booking :-\
Who is the co-commentator, Conal Martin? Has he ever played? I never heard of him
8-8 now, twenty mins left.
Both teams look very tired, Queen's in particular.
I know the pool of fluent Irish speakers in Ulster ain't gonna be high but its stretching it a bit to have him on
You don't have to have been the worlds greatest footballer to be able to read a game and comment on whats going on. The fact that people think this is why there are so many ex players doing shit jobs at club management imo.
OK game giving the shitty conditions. I thought at the start of the 2nd half that donegal would pull away but queens are fighting hard.
Missed a great chance from a free to win it there
what's the score lads?
draw
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
You don't have to have been the worlds greatest footballer to be able to read a game and comment on whats going on. The fact that people think this is why there are so many ex players doing shit jobs at club management imo.
OK game giving the shitty conditions. I thought at the start of the 2nd half that donegal would pull away but queens are fighting hard.
Missed a great chance from a free to win it there
Agreed, but it does help, gives credence to the views you are expressing. But you're right, we probably do put too much faith in reputation rather than ability etc. There is a balance to be found
Not much of a game really, but thought Queen's were better for most of it. Seriously poor crowd. Maybe they should have just had it in Ballybofey - it's not as if it would inconvenience the Queen's support.
what is it now 10 min each way?
Ref off. Must've got a yellow because they were allowed to replace him.
;D
9 mins into 1st half of xtra time and 1-11 - 0-10 to donegal. Donegal have the wind in this half i think. Bad mistake by queens keeper for the goal. Conditions are woeful.
Queen's keeper screws up. Donegal goal. Probably game over.
quite enjoying it actually, people here expect summer football in the middle of january in crap weather really know nothing about Gaelic Football.
Kielt looks really really good, what county? why didn't he take the free?
Vernon looks quality as well, never really seen much of him. could add some pace to an armagh team at badly needs it.
1-11 to 0-11 at half time in extra time. I still think queens have a chance. Should be a bit fitter and have the wind and some damn fine forwards. Queens to pip it.
Kielt is from Derry. Very, very good underage player. The AFL scouts have been sniffing about though.
Quote from: AFS on January 24, 2009, 09:17:52 PM
Queen's keeper screws up. Donegal goal. Probably game over.
Queen's keeper screws up. Donegal goal. Definitely game over.
Donegal win.
2:12 - 0:11 Full Time
Queen's only able to score 3 points in the last 55 minutes.
I'm very embarassed about the cheering at the end with each pass. WTF is that about?? Hate that rubbish and to hear it from my own county ... :-[ :-[
Would have been great to see QUB win it but Donegal deserved it I reckon. Big Neil strong in the middle and the forward unit did fairly well. Sweeney didn't inspire any confidence at number 3 though. It'll be McGee there for the serious business but it's still a big weak point for us.
Fair play to Neil for mentioning Paul Gallagher. We all wish him the best.
Quote from: RMDrive on January 24, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
I'm very embarassed about the cheering at the end with each pass. WTF is that about?? Hate that rubbish and to hear it from my own county ... :-[ :-[
Would have been great to see QUB win it but Donegal deserved it I reckon. Big Neil strong in the middle and the forward unit did fairly well. Sweeney didn't inspire any confidence at number 3 though. It'll be McGee there for the serious business but it's still a big weak point for us.
Fair play to Neil for mentioning Paul Gallagher. We all wish him the best.
I'd say you probably had some teenagers there started that shite. Embarrassing all right in a McKenna cup game against a college side.
Some good score-taking from Queens, particuarly in the first half. I presume most of those lads are on county panels?
Keeper's two dropped balls and the two missed frees at the end of normal time were the difference. Plenty of work for Donegal to do - I thought Griffin did well all through, while Walsh can take the scores if they get him in the game.
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2009, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on January 24, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
I'm very embarassed about the cheering at the end with each pass. WTF is that about?? Hate that rubbish and to hear it from my own county ... :-[ :-[
Would have been great to see QUB win it but Donegal deserved it I reckon. Big Neil strong in the middle and the forward unit did fairly well. Sweeney didn't inspire any confidence at number 3 though. It'll be McGee there for the serious business but it's still a big weak point for us.
Fair play to Neil for mentioning Paul Gallagher. We all wish him the best.
I'd say you probably had some teenagers there started that shite. Embarrassing all right in a McKenna cup game against a college side.
Some good score-taking from Queens, particuarly in the first half. I presume most of those lads are on county panels?
Keeper's two dropped balls and the two missed frees at the end of normal time were the difference. Plenty of work for Donegal to do - I thought Griffin did well all through, while Walsh can take the scores if they get him in the game.
Yeah, Queens took some fine scores in the first half and had all the chances in the world to win it. I'll say they will be disappointed but I'm sure the thoughts will turn to the Sigerson fairly quickly. Griffin was lively all right and I thought that Ciaran Bonner played well.
Quote from: AFS on January 24, 2009, 09:21:49 PM
Kielt is from Derry. Very, very good underage player. The AFL scouts have been sniffing about though.
why did he shy away from hitting those 2 frees at the end of normal time?
I was very impressed with Kielt in normal time....a class act. However, his influence waned in extra-time, due perhaps to tiredness and/or a lack of service from further out the field.
I thought Snowy O'Neill's sending off towards the end of normal time was extremely harsh. He was having a fine game and QUB's attacking threat diminished considerably once he left the field. Mickey Harte was present at the game and will surely want to keep the Dromore man in his squad this year after a string of excellent displays for Queen's in the McKenna Cup.
Donegal did just enough to win but looked very vulnerable at times in the full back line. They will also want to get McFadden back soon to add a bit more punch to that forward division.
Donegal will have Lacey and Neil McGee in the full back line. Who the third person will be is a key question - Ray Sweeney did a fine job there for a few seasons until McIvor dispensed with him and brought back Paddy Campbell (never understood that), but he's getting on a bit now. It will probably end up Neil McGee, Lacey and someone like Paddy McDaid or one of the other new lads (Eamon McGee is not a man-marker), which means we will have to play a sweeper to guard against someone like Paddy Bradley, something that McIvor should have done last year and which contributed to the loss of confidence in him within the county.
I thought the forwards did all right in terms of creating chances, but McFadden and Murphy (assuming he regains fitness in time) will walk back into the side for the Antrim game. At the moment, young Griffin looks the likeliest to join them in the full forwards.
On Snowy O'Neill - didn't he play for Tyrone this time last year? Did he make the championship squad? If not, why not? Looks a very handy player.
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 26, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
They will also want to get McFadden back soon to add a bit more punch to that forward division.
Excellent!
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 26, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
I thought Snowy O'Neill's sending off towards the end of normal time was extremely harsh.
have to agree with you. The lad apparently never gets yellow cards.
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2009, 12:42:32 AM
Quote from: Redhandfan on January 26, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
They will also want to get McFadden back soon to add a bit more punch to that forward division.
Excellent!
I missed that! :D
Quote from: J70 on January 26, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
On Snowy O'Neill - didn't he play for Tyrone this time last year? Did he make the championship squad? If not, why not? Looks a very handy player.
He was there at the final, his returning namesake probably preventing him getting a run out.
Quote from: Donagh on January 26, 2009, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 26, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
On Snowy O'Neill - didn't he play for Tyrone this time last year? Did he make the championship squad? If not, why not? Looks a very handy player.
He was there at the final, his returning namesake probably preventing him getting a run out.
Yeah sounds about right. He didnt play in any other championship game but Stevie prevented him getting on in the final by coming back.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2009, 11:03:29 AM
Yeah sounds about right. He didnt play in any other championship game but Stevie prevented him getting on in the final by coming back.
Did he not? I was away all summer so I wouldn't know, but an extra forward being drafted in for the last game wouldn't have done the chances of the existing forwards (the other O'Neill) any good. Apologies if I question the received wisdom around the bushes that the return of the king did not put anyone else's nose out of joint.
dont think snowy would have been on in the final even if stevie wasn't there. played a few games in the early part of the year and didnt impress. might need more time in the county set up but in fairness snowy wasnt that impressive for Dromore in the county final either
As far as I remember Snowy was injured for the All Ireland final last year and therefore would not have been appearing regardless of Stevie O'Neill coming back or not.
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 26, 2009, 11:33:06 AM
As far as I remember Snowy was injured for the All Ireland final last year and therefore would not have been appearing regardless of Stevie O'Neill coming back or not.
He was rigged out at the end and for the presentation of the cup.
Quote from: Donagh on January 26, 2009, 11:56:11 AM
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 26, 2009, 11:33:06 AM
As far as I remember Snowy was injured for the All Ireland final last year and therefore would not have been appearing regardless of Stevie O'Neill coming back or not.
He was rigged out at the end and for the presentation of the cup.
Sure so was Michaela.
Quote from: J70 on January 26, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
On Snowy O'Neill - didn't he play for Tyrone this time last year? Did he make the championship squad? If not, why not? Looks a very handy player.
Yes, Snowy O'Neill did play for Tyrone in last year's McKenna Cup and he did make the championship squad. However, he was hampered by injuries for a good part of the season and struggled to make much of an impact. I still think he has a lot of potential. He was IMO one of the top performers in Tyrone club football in 2007 when Dromore landed their first county title and came within a whisker of defeating Crossmaglen in the Ulster Championship. If his recent McKenna Cup displays are anything to go by, he looks to have rediscovered some of that form and should be retained on the Tyrone senior squad this summer. He is still quite young and just needs to play with the same confidence at county level as he does with QUB.
Footage of the final:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7850241.stm
In case any Antim fans missed todays Belfast Telegraph:
Antrim secretary Frankie Quinn has a double fear surrounding the team's National League Division Four final against Sligo in Longford on Saturday (4.30pm).
"Longford is 120 miles from Belfast and the match is being televised live by TG4. That certainly won't encourage our fans to come out in numbers in this difficult financial climate," raps Quinn, "The sound of silence may not be so golden."
The Saffrons had initially made representations to have the match staged at either Enniskillen or Omagh but their plea fell on deaf ears.
Now Liam Bradley's side will go into their most important match of the year to date devoid of healthy vocal support.
"Obviously our die-hard fans will make the trip and very welcome they will be too. But the important thing is that the team should come back with the trophy, that's all that matters," adds Quinn.
Last year, Antrim won the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup but that was their first trophy since they won the All Ireland 'B' Championship title in 1999.
"It would be great for Antrim football if a second trophy could be captured within the period of one year. And it would be even better if we could go on and make an impact in the Ulster Championship. One thing I will say about this Antrim side - they have no fear of anyone.
"Manager Liam Bradley has instilled a level of confidence and pride in the side and this is reflected in the manner in which they play," insists Quinn.
After today's game the focus will turn to this in Ulster. Anyone showing up in your county championships who you think will get a run out in this competition for their County?
any word on the 2010 draw???
It has already been made I think.
Was made on 11th November last year. No sign of it yet this year.
Gaelic Life no longer sponsoring the Dr McKenna Cup.
Could suggest that there is something in the rumours.
Quote from: drici on November 13, 2009, 10:13:01 AM
Gaelic Life no longer sponsoring the Dr McKenna Cup.
Could suggest that there is something in the rumours.
What rumours?
Donegal ,StMarys and Cavan in Tyrone section.
Armagh
Fermanagh
Monaghan
UUJ
Quote from: drici on November 13, 2009, 10:13:01 AM
Gaelic Life no longer sponsoring the Dr McKenna Cup.
Could suggest that there is something in the rumours.
The Ulster Council has secured a new sponsor for the Dr McKenna Cup after Gaelic Life's three-year deal elapsed.
However, officials won't reveal the identity of the new backer until next week. All nine Ulster counties as well as the three main universities, Queen's, UUJ and St. Mary's, will participate in the popular pre-season football competition next year.
It will be played off during the month of January and completed prior to the start of the National League. The fixtures, dates and venues for the 2010 McKenna Cup will also be announced next week.
Donegal are the reigning champions, having defeated Queen's University in last season's final.
Antrim
Derry
Down
Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde
Controversial backers of McKenna Cup
The premier Ulster provincial competition outside of the championship, the Dr McKenna Cup, will be sponsored by Durex in 2010 in an unprecedented move in Irish sport.
The moves comes days after it was revealed that Gaelic Life will not be renewing their three-year sponsorship of the competition which was won by Donegal last year. The UK based contraceptive firm were willing to offer a 5-year deal which will secure the future of the Cup. A press release for Durex added, "we are overjoyed at being given the chance to offer our support to the GAA. Our motto is 'Durability, Reliability and Excellence', something that the GAA have always been associated with."
The Ulster Council have yet to comment.
that would be great, so many jokes, will the the clergy come out and show their support for the Competition?
Will this cause a split amongst supporters, making it a dead-rubber competition?
Is this for real or are we just being ribbed by O'Neill?
New sponsor for McKenna Cup
13 November 2009
The Ulster Council has secured a new sponsor for the Dr McKenna Cup after Gaelic Life's three-year deal elapsed.
However, officials won't reveal the identity of the new backer until next week. All nine Ulster counties as well as the three main universities, Queen's, UUJ and St. Mary's, will participate in the popular pre-season football competition next year.
It will be played off during the month of January and completed prior to the start of the National League. The fixtures, dates and venues for the 2010 McKenna Cup will also be announced next week.
Donegal are the reigning champions, having defeated Queen's University in last season's final.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=120383
A
Armagh
Fermanagh
Monaghan
UUJ
B
Cavan
Donegal
Tyrone
St Marys
C
Antrim
Derry
Down
Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde
Semi Finals:
C v Best Runner Up
A V B
Quote from: drici on November 13, 2009, 10:51:31 PM
A
Armagh
Fermanagh
Monaghan
UUJ
B
Cavan
Donegal
Tyrone
St Marys
C
Antrim
Derry
Down
Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde
Semi Finals:
C v Best Runner Up
A V B
They should leave the draw for the semi-finals until after the group stages. As it stands two teams from Group C could play each other in the semi final.
Quote from: drici on November 13, 2009, 10:51:31 PM
C
Antrim
Derry
Down
Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde
This group suits me brilliantly - couldn't have planned it better
I'm a down girl living in Belfast, boyfriend in Derry! So home or away draws will suit for all matches!
Anyone know when the actual draw is?
New sponsor is Barretts Electrical Omagh
Dr. McKenna Cup 2010
All Sunday games at 2.00 p.m. All midweek games at 7.30 p.m.
(Extra time to be played in Semi finals & Final - if necessary)
Sun 10th January: (Round 1)
Group A
Monaghan v UUJ at Clones
Armagh v Fermanagh at Crossmaglen
Group B
Tyrone v Cavan at Healy Park
Donegal v St. Mary's at Ballybofey
Group C
Derry v Down at Celtic Park
Antrim v Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde at Casement Park
Sunday 17th January: (Round 2)
Group A
Armagh v UUJ at Crossmaglen
Fermanagh v Monaghan at Brewster Park
Group B
Cavan v Donegal at Breffni Park
Tyrone v St. Mary's at Healy Park
Group C
Down v Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde at Páirc Esler
Antrim v Derry at Casement Park
Wednesday 20th January: (Round 3)
Group A
Monaghan v Armagh at Inniskeen
Fermanagh v UUJ at Brewster Park
Group B
Cavan v St Mary's at Breffni Park
Donegal v Tyrone at Ballybofey
Group C
Down v Antrim at Páirc Esler
Derry v Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde at Celtic Park
Sat 23rd / Sun 24th January:
Semi Finals:
(1) Best Runners Up v Winner of Section C
(2) Winner of Section A v Winner of Section B
Saturday 30th January:
Final: 1 v 2
Nice to see the good people of Monaghan have had a bit of regard for us in choosing the venue for Armagh v Monaghan!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 17, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
Nice to see the good people of Monaghan have had a bit of regard for us in choosing the venue for Armagh v Monaghan!
Very sensible choice for a midweek match. Within 45 mins of most of both counties.
No sponsor then?
McKenna Cup launch on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3DN35RogEY&feature=player_embedded
Here is the Paddy O'Rourke interview after the McKenna Cup draw
http://armaghgaa.info/forum/videos/?do=viewdetails&videoid=86
25 November 2009
Mickey Harte is set to live up his promise of giving Tyrone's emerging stars their chance to impress in the forthcoming Dr McKenna Cup. Harte has revealed that a number of last year's All-Ireland minor squad will feature in the pre-season competition. Up to 10 members of this year's senior squad will not be involved, while others will be involved with their university teams. "There are certainly players from the 2008 minor panel. A number of them are definitely going to be serious players, and it's just a matter of who and when at this point in time, which of them and when they'll be coming," the Tyrone manager told the Irish News. "I'd certainly say a number of them will be involved in the McKenna Cup."
Established stars such as Philip Jordan, Sean Cavanagh, John Devine, Ryan Mellon, Colm Cavanagh and Mickey McGee have been ruled out of the McKenna Cup through injury, while Colin Holmes has retired and Brian Dooher has yet to decide on his future. "A number of players are out injured, Colin Holmes is gone and Brian Dooher is still recovering, so of the squad that we had at the end of the championship, there's eight or 10 players that won't be available for a variety of reasons," Harte added.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=120864
whats the deadline for colleges to name their squads?
Antrim Mc Kenna cup squad 2010
1. Ciaran Brady - Moneyglass
2. Ryan Boyd – Moneyglass
3. Ciaran Close – Cargin
4. Paddy Carey – Portglenone
5. Paddy Cunningham- Lámh Dhearg
6. Paul Doherty – Rasharkin
7. Oliver Gilpin - Creggan
8. Aaron Douglas – St Johns
9. Darragh Edwards – St Brigids
10. John Finucane – Lámh Dhearg
11. Damian Gault – St Enda's
12. Benny Hassan – Rasharkin
13. Brendan Herron – Lámh Dhearg
14. Chrissy Lavery – Aghagallon
15. James Loughery – St Brigids
16. Conor Maxwell – St Enda's
17. Conor Murray –Lámh Dhearg
18. Michael McGill – Tír na nÓg
19. Michael McCann – Cargin
20. Sean McGreevy – St Pauls
21. Kevin McQuillan – Dunloy
22. Gerard O'Boyle – Cargin
23. Neil O'Connell – Ahoghill
24. Eoin O'Neill – Cargin
25. Tony Scullion – Cargin
26. Gerard Walls – Lámh Dhearg
Harte's plans hit by college call-ups
01 December 2009
Mickey Harte's hopes of giving youth its fling in the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup has been hit by a college-versus-county dilemma.
The Tyrone manager won't be able to select his squad for the pre-season competition until he finds out what players will be available to him, and he won't know that until the three universities, who also take part in the competition, name their squads. The universities - Queen's, UUJ and St. Mary's - have first call on players and that is likely to deprive Harte of some of the exciting young talents he wants to call up. He said in the Irish News: "Until we see the college lists, we don't know exactly whether we will have to leave some out or count some in.
"There may be some we would want that they have included, so until we see their list, we can't exactly define what our preference is. When we see that, we'll see if there's some overlap and that would need to happen before we definitely put ours down on paper."
Harte is keen to give a number of last year's All-Ireland minor winning team their first taste of senior inter-county action, but their involvement with college sides has thrown those plans up in the air.
The Ballygawley man also ruled out any involvement in the McKenna Cup for members of the Fr Rock's, Cookstown team that won the Ulster IFC title on Sunday as their preparations for the All-Ireland semi-final in January will coincide with the competition.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121127
Six new faces in Antrim squad
02 December 2009
Antrim football boss Liam Bradley has included six newcomers in his squad for the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup campaign.
With the St. Gall's contingent unavailable and six of last season's squad involved with their colleges, Bradley will give Ryan Boyd (Moneyglass), Oliver Duffin (Creggan), Chirst Lavery (Aghagallon), Conor Maxwell (Glengormley), Gerard O'Boyle (Cargin) and Gerard Walls (Lamh Dhearg) their first taste of inter-county action.
Dual star Brendan Herron (Lamh Dhearg) also rejoins the squad along with Paul Doherty (Rasharkin), Eoin O'Neill (Cargin), Damien Gault (Glengormley) and another dual player Micheal Magill (Randalstown), who spent this summer in London.
Bradley believes the newcomers can only benefit from repeated appearances in the Dr McKenna Cup and National League. "It will give these guys more time to establish themselves," he told the Irish News. "Instead of being bit-part players, they can expect to experience decent game-time in both the McKenna Cup and the league. That can only be a good thing for Antrim."
Antrim (McKenna Cup squad): C Lavery (Aghagallon), N O'Connell (Ahoghill), M McCann, G O'Boyle, E O'Neill, T Scullion, C Close (Cargin), O Duffin, B Hasson (Creggan), K McQuillan (Dunloy), P Cunningham, J Finucane, B Herron, C Murray, G Walls (Lamb Dhearg), K Brady, R Boyd (Moneyglass), P Carey (Portglenone), M Magill (Randalstown), P Doherty (Rasharkin), D Edwards, J Loughrey (St. Brigid's), D Gault, C Maxwell (St. Enda's), A Douglas (St. John's), S McGreevy (St. Paul's).
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121197
Cassidy shakes things up
01 December 2009
Derry football manager Damian Cassidy has rung the changes by introducing 15 new players to his squad for the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup campaign.
Among the newcomers are Ciaran Mullan (Coleraine), Mark Craig (Dungiven), Gavin McLaughlin (Dungiven), Michael McGoldrick (Bellaghy), John O'Kane (Glenullin), Charlie Kielt (Kilrea), Michael Bateson (Newbridge), Martin Dunne (Steelstown), PJ McCloskey (Banagher), Andrew McCartney (Ballymaguigan), Declan Mullan (Coleraine) and Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry).
McGoldrick and Wilkinson have played in the championship before, but weren't involved last season. McGoldrick, who recently returned from a spell in Australia, will be expected to fill the void left by former All-Star full back Sean Marty Lockhart, who has retired from inter-county football.
Dual star Liam Hinphey has also returned from Australia and has been named in Cassidy's squad, despite the fact that he is also part of the UUJ squad. Regulars Brian Og McAlary, James Kielt and Dermot McBride weren't considered due to their involvement with Queen's, while UUJ have first call on Caolan O'Boyle.
Other regulars such as Kevin McGuckin, Barry Gillis, Barry McGoldrick, Sean Leo McGoldrick, Collie Devlin and Enda Lynn won't play in the McKenna Cup, but are expected to return for the National League.
Derry (SF panel for McKenna Cup): J Deighan, C Mullan, G McLaughlin, M McGoldrick, B McGuigan, J O'Kane, L Hinphey, N McCusker, G O'Kane, C Kielt, M Bateson, F Doherty, P Bradley, J Diver, M Dunne, PJ McCloskey, A McCartney, D Mullan, R Wilkinson, A McLaughlin, E Brown, S Cleary, P Bradley, E Bradley, K O'Neill, S Bradley, B Mullan, G McShane, M Lynch.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121140
Doherty delays naming squad
02 December 2009
Donegal boss John Joe Doherty won't name his squad which will defend the Dr McKenna Cup until closer to Christmas. The Naomh Columba clubman is in no rush to pick his squad for the pre-season competition which gets underway in January. "I haven't looked at it yet," he said in the Irish News. "The players are working away on a strength and endurance programme at the minute. We'll be looking forward to getting back to action in the New Year. Last year, I announced the panel towards the end of December, so I'll probably do the same again." He added: "We didn't really go out to win it last year - that's just the way it panned out. We'll do the same again this year, it'll give us a chance to see a few players before the National League starts."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121147
Did mickey harte not a few years ago go agianst the the universities wishes. Now he's towing their boat as we speak. What has changed and why kick up
that big fuss a few years
ago??
Mickey Harte has called up six members of last year's Tyrone All-Ireland winning minor team into his squad for the Barrett Lighting Dr McKenna Cup.
Kyle Coney, Niall McKenna, Ronan McNabb, Gavin Teague, Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly are all included.
Those being rested for the McKenna Cup include Enda McGinley, Brian Dooher, Sean Cavanagh and Owen Mulligan.
Pascal McConnell, John Devine, Ryan McMenain, Davy Harte, Philip Jordan and Colm McCullagh will also be missing.
Cavanagh is currently on honeymoon after getting married over the weekend.
Experienced men who will be on McKenna Cup duty include the McMahon brothers Justin and Joe, Kevin Hughes, Conor Gormley, PJ Quinn, Brian McGuigan, Tommy McGuigan, Martin Penrose and Stephen O'Neill.
Mickey Murphy and Cathal McCarron are both recalled to the squad.
Galbally player Murphy is back after a two-year absence during which he was dogged by injury.
Dromore clubman McCarron lost his place in Tyrone's Championship squad this year after receiving a 12-week ban following an incident in a club game.
Tyrone McKenna Cup squad: Johnny Curran (Coalisland), Mickey O'Neill (Clonoe), PJ Quinn (Moortown), Cathal McCarron (Dromore), Justin McMahon (Omagh), Martin Swift (Killyclogher), Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher), Ronan McNabb (Dromore), Martin McKeown (Ardboe), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Sean O'Neill (Dromore), Gavin Teague (Ardboe), Conal McElholm (Omagh), Colm McGurk (Carrickmore), Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil), Aidan Cassidy (Augher), Mickey Murphy (Galbally), Joe McMahon (Omagh), Brian McGuigan (Ardboe), Tommy McGuigan (Ardboe), Martin Penrose (Aghyaran), Niall Gormley (Trillick), Stephen O'Neill (Clan na nGael), Mark Donnelly (Carrickmore), Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran), Niall McKenna (Donaghmore), Kyle Coney (Ardboe), Eoin McCusker (Dromore), Matthew Donnelly (Trillick), Gareth Devlin (Stewartstown).
BBC Sport
Is this McCusker's first involvement with any tyrone panel or has he played McKenna before? Seems like an odd move if the stories i heard were true. It will be very interesting to see how he plays for Tyrone. Harte picked well too but not all of those lads will be around come june.
Cathal McCarron (Dromore), Justin McMahon (Omagh), Martin McKeown (Ardboe), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Conal McElholm (Omagh), Colm McGurk (Carrickmore)
6 full backs, 3 new ones. something tells me harte is looking for a new full back.
Still no Hill men. I don't know how Mickey expects to win anything.
Quote from: ONeill on December 07, 2009, 11:10:56 PM
Still no Hill men. I don't know how Mickey expects to win anything.
Perhaps he's trying to tempt you out of retirement O'Neill?
Quote from: ONeill on December 07, 2009, 11:10:56 PM
Still no Hill men. I don't know how Mickey expects to win anything.
Who would you suggest?? ;)
New Down manager James McCartan has named a 44-man training panel as preparations begin for the beginning of Dr McKenna Cup hostilities in the New Year. McCartan replaced former county teammate Ross Carr in the top job earlier this year. His first task is to mould a panel strong enough to challenge for Ulster Championship honours once more, and he has named a 44-strong panel which will be whittled down ahead of the beginning of the National Football League Division 2 campaign in February.
Many of those selected have extensive intercounty experience but there are newcomers including Liam Lennon of Castlewellan, Loughinisland goalkeeper Kieran Gordon and Bryansford's Stevie Toner.
Returned Aussie Rules ace Martin Clarke is included alongside his brother John, while key men such as midfielder Dan Gordon and forward Benny Coulter are present and correct.
The full panel is:
Brendan McVeigh, Declan Alder, Kieran Gordon, Michael McAllister, Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Ciaran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan, James Colgan, Timmy Hanna, Liam Doyle, Darren Cunningham, Dan Gordon, Ambrose Rogers, Paul Greenan, Mark McClean, Peter Fitzpatrick, Kevin Anderson, Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McCumiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh, Michael Magee.
Carr reveals McKenna Cup squad
16 December 2009
Cavan boss Tommy Carr has revealed his 30-man panel for next month's Dr McKenna Cup campaign. Team captain Ronan Flanagan and star forward Sean Johnston are amongst those who will miss out from the squad due to commitments with their college. There are a number of new faces which have been drafted into the panel, including new Oliver Plunkett's recruit Gareth 'Nesty' Smith, Ballinagh's Allen Durkan and young Belturbet attacker Brendan Fitzpatrick. All three were involved in last Friday night's charity fight night, which saw 14 bouts of Cavan players going toe-to-toe in three minute-and-a-half rounds in aid of the BabyMax Wings of Love Charity and the Kelvin Brady Treatment Fund. The event, which was excellently organised in the Imperial Bar Hotel in Cavan town, allowed the players to demonstrate their fitness and skills obtained from weeks of training with the Cavan boxing club during the months of the GAA's collective training ban. Cavan's 2010 season starts on January 10 when they travel to Healy Park in Omagh to take on Tyrone in the opening round of the Dr McKenna Cup.
Cavan McKenna Cup squad: Darren Murphy (Drumlane), Fintan Reilly (Redhills), Declan Reilly (Bailieborough), Eoin McGuigan (Belturbet), John McCutcheon (Cootehill), Mark Johnson (Cornafean), Killian Lynch (Cuchullains), Eoin McPhilips (Denn), Martin Cahill (Denn), Michael Hannon (Drumgoon), Dane O'Dowd (Drumlane), Mark McKeever (Gowna), Eoin Smith (Killygarry), Alan Clarke (Kingscourt), Joey Jordan (Lavey), Allen Durkan (Ballinagh), Tomas Corr (Denn), Ciaran Galligan (Drung), Donal Thomas (Killygarry), John Cunningham (Swanlinbar), Gearoid McKiernan (Swanlinbar), Brendan Fitzpatrick (Belturbet), Sean Brady (Castlerahan), Michael Lyng (Cavan Gaels), Nicholas Walsh (Cavan Gaels), Conor Smith (Cuchullains), Gareth Smith (Oliver Plunketts), Eddie O'Reilly (Mullahoran), John McCabe (Munterconnacht), Stephen Jordan (Lavey).
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121785
Monaghan McKenna Cup squad
S Gorman (Ballybay)
Drew Wylie (Ballybay)
P Finlay
D McArdle
M McElroy
C Hanratty
D Malone
Kieran Hughes
D Morgan
F Caulfield
Neil McAdam
M McKenna
P Meegan
Gavin Doogan
S Duffy
D Freeman
T Freeman
R Woods
Aiden Farmer
H McElroy
O Duffy
C Walshe (Doohamlet)
C Greenan
JP Mone
V Corey
B McKenna
D Clerkin
G McQuaid
S Gollogy
M McNally
UUJ boss happy to release quartet
18 December 2009
UUJ manager Adrian McGuckin will be allowing four of his players to turn out for their counties in the Dr McKenna Cup. The three universities competing in Ulster's pre-season football competition - UUJ, Queen's and St. Mary's - have first call on players, but McGuckin has agreed to release Donal Morgan (Monaghan), Liam Hinphey (Derry), Sean O'Neill and Ronan McNabb (both Tyrone) to their respective county sides, taking the view that some give and take could prove advantageous in the long run. "Sometimes it is of benefit further down the line to play for your county in the McKenna Cup," he told the Irish News. "In fairness, it hasn't been too much of a problem over the last few years and if you can come to some sort of an agreement with the county managers, it can work out well for everyone." Although he will unavailable for UUJ in January, McGuckin will be relieved to see Derry dual star Hinphey back in action after he missed their recent successful Ryan Cup campaign through injury. "Liam had his first training session on Thursday, so I am just crossing my fingers that he isn't sore from it. "Conor McManus broke his hand while Clontibret were in Ulster, but we are hoping to have him back in mid-January. He may play all the games and we are hoping to have him for at least one. Dessie Mone played through Clontibret's campaign with a stomach muscle injury, and we are looking to have him back in time as well. "Timmy Hanna is another boy on the way back and Colm Cavanagh is doing his own rehab after ankle surgery, hopefully in the New Year he will be able to take part in some on-field training because he isn't fit for it just yet."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121860
Good to see H McElroy in the Monaghan squad. He's dropped out before, but he's always had great potential.
Where has Downey gone to?
Anyone got any info on the new recruits? Living outside of the county i'm removed from club action.
McEnaney drops nephew from squad
17 December 2009
Monaghan manager Seamus McEnaney has displayed his ruthless streak by omitting his nephew Gary McEnaney, along with five other players, from his McKenna Cup squad. A son of top referee Pat McEnaney, Gary McEnaney is one of six players who have not been invited back onto the squad for the pre-season competition which gets underway on January 10. The other five players who have been overlooked are: Paul McGuigan, Eddie Lennon, Raymond Ronaghan, Shane Smyth and Padraic McBennett. The manager has included 11 inter-county rookies in his new-look squad. They are: Sean Gorman, Drew Wylie, Martin McElroy, Francis Caulfield, Matthew McKenna, Gavin Doogan, Aiden Farmer, Colin Walshe, Colm Greenan, Dermot Malone and Mark McNally. "We like to freshen things up on a regular basis as best we can," McEnaney said. "As we have trawled through the county, we are very happy with the level of commitment, enthusiasm and the desire to wear the Monaghan jersey that has come from the 11 players who we have picked."
Monaghan (McKenna Cup squad): S Gorman, Drew Wylie, P Finlay (Ballybay); D McArdle, M McElroy, C Hanratty, D Malone (Castleblayney); Kieran Hughes, D Morgan, F Caulfield (Scotstown); Neil McAdam (Monaghan Harps); M McKenna, P Meegan (Inniskeen); Gavin Doogan, S Duffy, D Freeman, T Freeman (Magheracloone); R Woods (Donaghmoyne); Aiden Farmer, H McElroy, O Duffy (Latton); C Walshe (Doohamlet), C Greenan, JP Mone, V Corey (Clontibret); B McKenna (Emyvale); D Clerkin (Currin); G McQuaid (Tyholland); S Gollogy, M McNally (Carrickmacross).
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121811
I see Tyrone's first game v Cavan has been moved to the Saturday. Really can't understand the logic behind these Saturday night games (unless for tv) especially in Janaury. Tyrone's attendances have been well below average on Saturday nights. Not many people fancy heading out late on a dark winters night and it cuts out away fans in most cases.
Donaghy is named Armagh captain
Brendan Donaghy is to deputise as Armagh captain during the McKenna Cup because regular skipper Ciaran McKeever is out with a cruciate ligament injury. McKeever, Martin O'Rourke, Stephen Kernan and Paul Courtney have all been left out of the Orchard County squad while they recover from injuries. Former Minor star Kevin Dyas is in the panel after spending two seasons with Aussie Rules club Collingwood. Armagh start their campaign against Fermanagh at Crossmaglen on 10 January.
Other former Minor players making the step-up to the senior squad include Martin Ferris, Colm Watters, Joe Feeney, Paul Magee, Adrian Conlon and Jason O'Neill. They impressed during trials held by new Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke.
Story from BBC SPORT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8422436.stm
Paul Hearty P Ó hAghartaigh Raonaithe na Croise
Martin Ferris M Mac Fheoraois Naomh Padraig Carraig Ropáin
Paul Kernan P Mac Thiarnáin Raonaithe na Croise
Paul Magee P Mac Aoidh Sáirséiligh na Móinte Arda
Shane O'Neill S Ó Néill Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Vincent Martin U Ó Mairtín Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Darnell Parkinson D Mac Peáircín Na Piarsaigh Óga Ard Mhacha
Malachy Mackin M Ó Maicín Naomh Padraig Coilleach Eannach
Ronan Austin R Mac Aibhistín Clan na Gael An Lorgain
Michael McNamee M Mac Conmidhe Raonaithe na Croise
Colm Watters C Mac Uaitéir Na Gormacha Baile Mhic Cullaigh
Jason O'Neill S Ó Néill Naomh Mhuire An Gráinne Mór
Tony Kernan A Mac Thiarnáin Raonaithe na Croise
Joe Feeney S Ó Fianaí Ropairí na Madán
Brian McCone B Mac Comhain Na Cloigthithe Baile Mhic an Aba
Philip McAvoy P Mac Fhíobhúi Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Kevin Dyas C Mac Diais Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Ryan Henderson R Mac Éinrí Clann Éireann An Lorgain
Brian Mallon B Ó Mealain Tír na nÓg Port An Dúnáin
Gareth Swift G Ó Fuada Clairsígh Ard Mhacha
Brendan Donaghy B Mac Donnchaidh An Chluain Mhór
Paul Duffy P Ó Dufaigh Na Piarsaigh Óga Ard Mhacha
Aaron Kernan A Mac Thiarnáin Raonaithe na Croise
James Lavery S Ó Labhra Séan Mac Diarmada Machaire
Andy Mallon A Ó Mealaín Na Piarsigh Óga Ardmhacha
Finnian Moriarty F Ó Muireartaigh Uilf Tón Doire Mhic Áise
Barry Shannon B Ó Seanáin Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Charlie Vernon C de Bhearnúin Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Kieran Toner C Mac Tomhnair Naomh Mhuire An Gráinne Mór
Steven McDonnell S Mac Domhnaill Naomh Moiníne Cill Shléibhe
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Football/News/Armagh-McKenna-Cup-Panel.aspx
Changes made to McKenna Cup dates
New dates have been agreed for some of next month's Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup matches, with the new experimental football rules in place.
Monaghan and UUJ will play their Group A opener at 1400 GMT on Saturday 9 January, while Tyrone will face Cavan at 1900 GMT on the same day.
Three games have been moved from Sunday 17 January to Saturday 16 January.
Armagh will face UUJ at 1400 GMT, with Cavan playing Donegal and Down playing Queen's at 1900 GMT on the same day.
The new rules were due to be implemented for the first time when the National League begins in February but the Ulster counties will now have an opportunity to familiarise themselves with the new-look game before that.
Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup fixtures
Saturday 9 January
Group A
Monaghan v UUJ (Scotstown, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Tyrone v Cavan (Healy Park, 1900 GMT)
Sunday 10 January
Group A
Armagh v Fermanagh (Crossmaglen, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Donegal v S Mary's at Ballybofey (Ballybofey, 1400 GMT)
Group C
Derry v Down (Celtic Park, 1400 GMT)
Antrim v Queen's (Casement Park, 1400 GMT)
Saturday 16 January
Group A
Armagh v UUJ (Crossmaglen, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Cavan v Donegal (Breffni Park, 1900 GMT)
Group C
Down v Queen's (Pairc Esler, 1900 GMT)
Sunday 17 January
Group A
Fermanagh v Monaghan (Brewster Park, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Tyrone v St Mary's (Healy Park, 1400 GMT)
Group C
Antrim v Derry (Casement Park, 1400 GMT)
Wednesday 20 January - all 1900 GMT
Group A
Monaghan v Armagh (Inniskeen)
Fermanagh v UUJ (Brewster Park)
Group B
Cavan v St Mary's (Breffni Park)
Donegal v Tyrone (Ballybofey)
Group C
Down v Antrim (Pairc Esler)
Derry v Queen's (Celtic Park)
Saturday 23 January/Sunday 24: Semi-finals
Best runners-up v winners C
Winner A v Winner B
Saturday 30 January: Final
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8418347.stm
Published: 2009/12/17 12:05:38 GMT
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 18, 2009, 10:17:12 PM
Good to see H McElroy in the Monaghan squad. He's dropped out before, but he's always had great potential.
Where has Downey gone to?
Anyone got any info on the new recruits? Living outside of the county i'm removed from club action.
Yeah good to see Hugh back, still worth a go and we're not exactly overflowing with forward options.
Haven't a clue what the story is with Downey, didn't realise his name missing at first as he wasn't mentioned in the article among the players who had been overlooked. I'd question another few omissions also, unless they're just out for the McKenna cup but that would seem strange. McBennett in particular, seems a bit of a turnaround from being number 1 to not being in the next year's squad.
Alot of new additions this year, a combination of young lads and older heads who would be around a while. It looks like they're aiming towards strengthening the midfield area in particular, which is badly needed. Caulfield, Farmer, Doogan and McKenna would play there for their clubs mostly so hopefully they can add to the panel in that regard. I'm particularly glad to see the likes of Greenan and McElroy called up, definitely think they can make an impact and contribute next year, both have been in very good form for Clontibret and Blayney respectively. Wylie also should be a good addition, played a big part in getting Ballybay to the league final. Haven't seen much of Malone yet but I'd wonder if he's too young yet, by all accounts though he's been doing well for Blayney aswell so we'll see. You could also question of he's too small aswell, then again you could say the same about McElroy so I might be contradicting myself there! Walsh is only out of minor, he was captain of the VEC team last year that won the All-Ireland, a very good prospect for the future but again I'd worry that he's too young for it and will spend his time warming the bench like other young players Banty has took onto the panel in recent years.
McCarron determined to grasp Fermanagh chance
21 December 2009
Former Tyrone forward Aidan McCarron is determined to make his mark with his adopted county of Fermanagh. The 27-year-old Fintona native came to Fermanagh manager Malachy O'Rourke's attention while lining out for Enniskillen Gaels this year, and has been included in the Erne County's McKenna Cup squad. Interestingly, Fermanagh will be the third county McCarron has represented after he featured for New York in the 2006 Connacht championship. "If I'm honest, I thought my inter-county career was over. I've been given this opportunity now and I'm relishing it and I'll grab it with both hands," he said in the Irish News. "I was in with Mickey Harte in 2006 and it didn't work out that year. I ended up playing for New York that year in the championship and we were unlucky not to beat Roscommon. "I went out to New York for St. Patrick's Day and I ended up staying for the remainder of 2006. I'd family out there. "To be honest, I really couldn't face going back and being seen as a failure with Tyrone because I was a bit younger then. I got my chance with New York and enjoyed it." "I came back at the end of 2006 and I got a call to go back into the Tyrone panel. I was in the whole year in 2007. I think I was top scorer in the Dr McKenna Cup, but I didn't really get a run in the league, a couple of minutes here and there. I didn't see any championship football. "In 2008 I was top scorer in the McKenna Cup again. I remember clashing with Kevin Cassidy of Donegal and getting stretchered off. So I was out for a while then. "I remember scoring seven points from play in an in-house match and the following Tuesday I got a letter to say that I was no longer required. You were left watching Tyrone go on and win an All-Ireland in 2008." He continued: "Fermanagh's big aim is to win an Ulster title. If I didn't think Fermanagh could achieve that, I wouldn't be throwing my hat in with them."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=121981
Gallaghers make Fermanagh return
Rory Gallagher and his brother Ronan have confirmed their return to county football after being named in Fermanagh's McKenna Cup panel. Having the St Gall's pair back in the squad is a major boost for Erne manager Malachy O'Rourke. "They want very much to be part of Fermanagh's plans and are very important to our plans," he said.
Injury rules out Marty McGrath and Barry Owens with former Tyrone prospect Aidan McCarron among the newcomers. The versatile McCarron plays his club football for Enniskillen Gaels. The Gallagher brothers will be in action with Belfast side St Gall's in the AIB All-Ireland club semi-final against Corofin in February. "The two boys are very keen to play for the county, which is great and we will be glad to have them back," O'Rourke told the Irish News. "Once their club commitments end, hopefully of course not until after the All-Ireland final on St Patrick's Day, they will give a big commitment to Fermanagh for the National League and the Championship. "I have been watching their progress with St Gall's and they have been very impressive." The Ernemen open their McKenna Cup campaign against Armagh in Crossmaglen on 10 January.
Fermanagh panel: C Breen, J McGrath, S Burns, R Foy, P Gormley, M Jones, D Kelly, B Mulrone, M O'Brien, D Ward, J Woods, P Sherry, S Goan, T McElroy, R Carson, K Cosgrove, P Cosgrove, S O'Brien, J Sherry, J Connolly, N Cunningham, C Flaherty, R Jones, D Keenan, M Keenan, R Keenan, A McCarron, C O'Brien, T O'Flanagan, P Ward.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8428652.stm
Quote from: hardstation on December 23, 2009, 11:22:21 PM
When does the McKenna Cup finish? When do St.Gall's play the All Ireland semi?
Finishes 30th January
Semi final 14th February, Valentines Day to me and you
Quote from: hardstation on December 24, 2009, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Shazam on December 24, 2009, 12:00:33 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 23, 2009, 11:22:21 PM
When does the McKenna Cup finish? When do St.Gall's play the All Ireland semi?
Finishes 30th January
Semi final 14th February, Valentines Day to me and you
Right, I am confused.
QuoteRory Gallagher and his brother Ronan have confirmed their return to county football after being named in Fermanagh's McKenna Cup panel.
QuoteOnce their club commitments end
Quotethey will give a big commitment to Fermanagh for the National League and the Championship
QuoteFermanagh panel: C Breen, J McGrath, S Burns, R Foy, P Gormley, M Jones, D Kelly, B Mulrone, M O'Brien, D Ward, J Woods, P Sherry, S Goan, T McElroy, R Carson, K Cosgrove, P Cosgrove, S O'Brien, J Sherry, J Connolly, N Cunningham, C Flaherty, R Jones, D Keenan, M Keenan, R Keenan, A McCarron, C O'Brien, T O'Flanagan, P Ward.
Leave the BBC alone Hardstation. They're trying to look interested.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 19, 2009, 08:48:15 PM
Donaghy is named Armagh captain
Brendan Donaghy is to deputise as Armagh captain during the McKenna Cup because regular skipper Ciaran McKeever is out with a cruciate ligament injury. McKeever, Martin O'Rourke, Stephen Kernan and Paul Courtney have all been left out of the Orchard County squad while they recover from injuries. Former Minor star Kevin Dyas is in the panel after spending two seasons with Aussie Rules club Collingwood. Armagh start their campaign against Fermanagh at Crossmaglen on 10 January.
Other former Minor players making the step-up to the senior squad include Martin Ferris, Colm Watters, Joe Feeney, Paul Magee, Adrian Conlon and Jason O'Neill. They impressed during trials held by new Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke.
Story from BBC SPORT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8422436.stm
Paul Hearty P Ó hAghartaigh Raonaithe na Croise
Martin Ferris M Mac Fheoraois Naomh Padraig Carraig Ropáin
Paul Kernan P Mac Thiarnáin Raonaithe na Croise
Paul Magee P Mac Aoidh Sáirséiligh na Móinte Arda
Shane O’Neill S Ó Néill Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Vincent Martin U Ó Mairtín Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Darnell Parkinson D Mac Peáircín Na Piarsaigh Óga Ard Mhacha
Malachy Mackin M Ó Maicín Naomh Padraig Coilleach Eannach
Ronan Austin R Mac Aibhistín Clan na Gael An Lorgain
Michael McNamee M Mac Conmidhe Raonaithe na Croise
Colm Watters C Mac Uaitéir Na Gormacha Baile Mhic Cullaigh
Jason O’Neill S Ó Néill Naomh Mhuire An Gráinne Mór
Tony Kernan A Mac Thiarnáin Raonaithe na Croise
Joe Feeney S Ó Fianaí Ropairí na Madán
Brian McCone B Mac Comhain Na Cloigthithe Baile Mhic an Aba
Philip McAvoy P Mac Fhíobhúi Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Kevin Dyas C Mac Diais Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Ryan Henderson R Mac Éinrí Clann Éireann An Lorgain
Brian Mallon B Ó Mealain Tír na nÓg Port An Dúnáin
Gareth Swift G Ó Fuada Clairsígh Ard Mhacha
Brendan Donaghy B Mac Donnchaidh An Chluain Mhór
Paul Duffy P Ó Dufaigh Na Piarsaigh Óga Ard Mhacha
Aaron Kernan A Mac Thiarnáin Raonaithe na Croise
James Lavery S Ó Labhra Séan Mac Diarmada Machaire
Andy Mallon A Ó Mealaín Na Piarsigh Óga Ardmhacha
Finnian Moriarty F Ó Muireartaigh Uilf Tón Doire Mhic Áise
Barry Shannon B Ó Seanáin Naomh Padraig Droim an Tí
Charlie Vernon C de Bhearnúin Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Kieran Toner C Mac Tomhnair Naomh Mhuire An Gráinne Mór
Steven McDonnell S Mac Domhnaill Naomh Moiníne Cill Shléibhe
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Football/News/Armagh-McKenna-Cup-Panel.aspx
Must be some players c watters, j oneill, t kernan j feeney when the county finalists can only get 1 forward each on the squad. dont think so?
Downs Mc Kenna Cup squad includes some notable additions. Amongst the many familiar faces there are some that are relatively new to the set up. Liam Lennon (Castlewellan) and Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg) in particular will be watched closely by the Down faithful.
Kilcoos great success this year has been reflected by the inclusion of three of their brightest stars, namely, Aidan Brannigan, Conor Laverty and Paul Greenan.
Down fans will relish the chance to see Martin Clarke (pictured above) back in action for the Mourne County. Martin will surely enjoy playing alongside brother John and team mates, Brendan Mc Veigh, and James Colgan.
Dan Gordan is the most noticeable absentee from the squad but is expected to return to the set up shortly after Mc Kenna Cup.
Squad in full;
1. Declan Alder (Carryduff)
2. Liam Lennon (Castlewellan)
3. Declan Rooney (Burren)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks)
5. Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo)
6. Kevin McKernan (Burren)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)
9. Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)
10. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
11. Mark Poland (Longstone)
12. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
14. James McGovern (Burren)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)
16. Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht)
17. Martin Cole (Rostrevor)
18. Paul Murphy (Ballyholland)
19. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)
20. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)
21. Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg)
22. Conor Laverty (Kilcoo)
23. Daniel Hughes (Saval)
24. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
25. James Colgan (An Riocht)
26. Darren Cunningham (Saval)
27. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
28. Mark Doran (Longstone)
29. John Clarke (An Riocht)
30. Stephen Kearney (Saval)
Down travel to Celtic Park in their opening match to match a strong Derry side and then play host to Queens and Antrim respectively in subsequent weeks. It promises to be an interesting campaign.
http://www.downgaa.net/
Donegal panel:
Paul Durcan, Adrian Hanlon, Anthony Thompson, Barry Monaghan, Colin McCarron, Colm McFadden, Conall Dunne, Conor Gurn, Dara Gallagher, David Walsh, Edward Kelly, Eoin Waide, Frank McGlynn, Gareth Concarr, James Keaney, Lee McFadden, Kevin Cassidy, Ciaran Greene, Karl Lacey, Leo McLoone, Michael Maguire, Michael Murphy, Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Paddy McDaid, Shane Boyle, Stephen Griffin.
Not too many household names in the Donegal panel anymore, although it is good to see some new faces, hopefully some of whom at least will grab their chance. Brendan Boyle, Barry Dunnion and Christy Toye are all out injured, Rory Kavanagh is off galavanting on a world tour and Eamon McGee is apparently in England and unavailable. With Kavanagh gone, Cassidy takes over as captain. Neil Gallagher is back after his banishment last summer - no sign of Bonner though! Wonder who will be tried at midfield with Gallagher this time?!! The mark experiment should suit him well - whatever about his overall limitations at this level, he is a decent fielder.
Any of the Tyrone lads able to give me directions to Healy Park. I'll be coming in from the Enniskillen side next saturday.
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on January 02, 2010, 03:59:25 PM
Any of the Tyrone lads able to give me directions to Healy Park. I'll be coming in from the Enniskillen side next saturday.
Aye same as, where abouts in Omagh is it? I'll be coming from the...ehhh... Cavan side??
Is there a big stand there or what's the story?
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 02, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on January 02, 2010, 03:59:25 PM
Any of the Tyrone lads able to give me directions to Healy Park. I'll be coming in from the Enniskillen side next saturday.
Aye same as, where abouts in Omagh is it? I'll be coming from the...ehhh... Cavan side??
Is there a big stand there or what's the story?
I reckon that'll be the same side Celt Man or maybe you'll be going via Clones.
EDIT:sorry was talking nonsense in my original message.hopfully no-one saw it or id look like a right twat. ;D
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on January 02, 2010, 03:59:25 PM
Any of the Tyrone lads able to give me directions to Healy Park. I'll be coming in from the Enniskillen side next saturday.
You're as well to plan ahead. I've only been there once, for the Donegal-Monaghan qualifier a few years back. We went via Pettigo and Irvinestown, and I figured when I found a space in the centre of the town where loads of people were parking, that we'd be safe enough taking it and following the crowd. Big mistake if you've an uncle in his seventies with you! The pitch is at least a mile or so out the road north of the centre of the town, so if you've anyone with you who might have an issue with a lot of walking, try and park out near it.
Lads you'll have no bother getting a space to park near the ground, plenty of car parks and as it's the Mc K cup the crowds won't be huge. Also sure of a covered seat as the stand holds 5k and minute chance of it being full. Once in omagh town centre follow signs for Gortin and you'll find healy park no prob.
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Healy+Park+%4054.613982,-7.297111&geocode=&dirflg=&saddr=omagh&f=d&hl=en&sll=54.616915,-7.296338&sspn=0.01158,0.042014&ie=UTF8&ll=54.607919,-7.299042&spn=0.011583,0.042014&z=15)
you will have problem parking, i always use the terrace entrance via killybrack road at the spar shop turnoff
Thanks to all.
The Derry v Down game is live on TG4 on Sunday.
Can any of the Derry wans recommend a good hotel in Derry for Saturday night?
I wouldn't book anything just yet - I can see them all being called off unless the weather improves significantly.
I ll wait to Saturday to book anything, cant imagine that hotels will be that full this weekend so I am really only looking for a recommendation. Have stayed in too many flea pits over the years.
I doubt this game will actually go ahead this weekend, but if it does we`ll be there.
I doubt there'll be no games on this weekend, in the west at least, still a good bit of snowing lying around here in omagh and frank mitchell was on the box saying could be as low as -10 by the weekend!
Can't see them going ahead myself, certainly not in the north west anyhow.
If it does come to pass then go no further than the Tower Hotel. Probably the closest possible decent hotel to the ground but still a safe distance away just inside the walls. Reasonably priced too.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 05, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
I ll wait to Saturday to book anything, cant imagine that hotels will be that full this weekend so I am really only looking for a recommendation. Have stayed in too many flea pits over the years.
I doubt this game will actually go ahead this weekend, but if it does we`ll be there.
I stayed in this B&B for the weekend. Really sound owner and located in Bogside so only short walk to city ctr. Nice rooms and I think the price was good...
http://www.tripadvisor.ie/Hotel_Review-g186482-d550206-Reviews-Abbey_Bed_and_Breakfast-Derry_County_Londonderry_Northern_Ireland.html
I was looking forward to the season starting this weekend but its looking unlikely at this stage.
I doubt if the match is going to go ahead, although i was looking forward to my weekend in Derry.
Tower hotel very nice and usually reasonable too
Travellodge next to teh city hotel is proably reasonable too
I really cant see any games going ahead this weekend. Temperatures are expected to drop to -10 in places tonight and wont get much above freezing during the coming days.
Not only the low temperatures but snow is expected for Saturday night/Sunday.
Any parts of the province in decent shape? Fermanagh?
Nope. Was -10 in Monaghan at 8am this morning which is just ridiculous.
On the Ulster Council's GAA website there is just a blank page. Does this mean there are no games this weekend?
Can anyone tell us?
Apologies to the Ulster Council. The page evenually gave the information. There are no indications of fixture this week. Here it is for the Breffnimen anyway. Good website.
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Group B
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Date Time Comment
Cavan - - Donegal Kingspan Breffni Park Cavan 16/01/2010 19:00
Tyrone - - St. Marys Healy Park Omagh Tyrone 17/01/2010 14:00
Cavan - - St. Marys Kingspan Breffni Park Cavan 20/01/2010 19:30
Donegal - - Tyrone MacCumhaill Park Ballybofey 20/01/2010 19:30
Tyrone - - Cavan Healy Park Omagh Tyrone TBC TBC
Donegal - - St. Marys MacCumhaill Park Ballybofey TBC TBC
According to the Down website, downgaa.net;
Due to the current adverse weather conditions and the predicted weather forecast for the next five days, the Round 1 fixtures in the Barrett Sport Lighting Dr McKenna Cup scheduled for this weekend have been postponed.
All games are off
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 07, 2010, 10:18:42 AM
Nope. Was -10 in Monaghan at 8am this morning which is just ridiculous.
but they deserve it though....
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on January 07, 2010, 11:40:49 AM
According to the Down website, downgaa.net;
Due to the current adverse weather conditions and the predicted weather forecast for the next five days, the Round 1 fixtures in the Barrett Sport Lighting Dr McKenna Cup scheduled for this weekend have been postponed.
Yea it's saying the same on the Ulser GAA website now
aLL OFF, that rules out a big crowd for the fermanagh match as its moved to Cross, prob not too many north armagh attendees to the cold climates of S ARMAGH
lads mckenna cup full programme surely has to be in doubt - can you see a pitch being playable next sunday - forecast for the next week aint good - we have had a week of constant -3/4 at nite, with snow - and little sun with a max daily temp of 2/3.
if next sundays games arent played i think the comp could be void - or finals played in 3week league gap - but a dont think managers would want that distraction.
thoughts
Can't see the sponsors being too pleased if it was binned altogether.
Problems may arise with the unis if things drag out any longer though, Sigerson starts on the 27th for St. Mary's and on the 3rd for the other two.
Quote from: AFS on January 08, 2010, 11:41:37 AM
Can't see the sponsors being too pleased if it was binned altogether.
Problems may arise with the unis if things drag out any longer though, Sigerson starts on the 27th for St. Mary's and on the 3rd for the other two.
AFS,will you be on the Board at 2-00pm on the 27th?
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I just heard that all of the games have been called OFF as a mark of respect for the late Cardinal Daly.
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 08, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
I just heard that all of the games have been called OFF as a mark of respect for the late Cardinal Daly.
Your arse... look out yer window :o
Quote from: longrunsthefox on January 08, 2010, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 08, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
I just heard that all of the games have been called OFF as a mark of respect for the late Cardinal Daly.
Your arse... look out yer window :o
:D :D
Revised McKenna dates announced
The postponement of this weekend's Barrett Sports Lighting McKenna Cup games means a revised fixtures list for this month's competition. The competition will now start next weekend and the round of fixtures scheduled for this weekend will be played on 23/24 January. The semi-finals have been put back to Wednesday 27 January with the decider taking place on Saturday 30 January. This weekend's game were postponed because of the freezing conditions.
Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup fixtures
Saturday 16 January
Group A
Armagh v UUJ (Crossmaglen, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Cavan v Donegal (Breffni Park, 1900 GMT)
Group C
Down v Queen's (Pairc Esler, 1900 GMT)
Sunday 17 January
Group A
Fermanagh v Monaghan (Brewster Park, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Tyrone v St Mary's (Healy Park, 1400 GMT)
Group C
Antrim v Derry (Casement Park, 1400 GMT)
Wednesday 20 January - all 1900 GMT
Group A
Monaghan v Armagh (Inniskeen)
Fermanagh v UUJ (Brewster Park)
Group B
Cavan v St Mary's (Breffni Park)
Donegal v Tyrone (Ballybofey)
Group C
Down v Antrim (Pairc Esler)
Derry v Queen's (Celtic Park)
Saturday/Sunday 23/24 January
Group A
Monaghan v UUJ (Inniskeen)
Armagh v Fermanagh (Crossmaglen)
Group B
Tyrone v Cavan (Healy Park)
Group C
Derry v Down (Celtic Park)
Antrim v Queen's (Casement Park)
Wednesday 27 January: Semi-finals
Best runners-up v winners C
Winner A v Winner B
Saturday 30 January: Final
Quote from: doirebhoy on January 08, 2010, 11:33:20 AM
lads mckenna cup full programme surely has to be in doubt - can you see a pitch being playable next sunday - forecast for the next week aint good - we have had a week of constant -3/4 at nite, with snow - and little sun with a max daily temp of 2/3.
if next sundays games arent played i think the comp could be void - or finals played in 3week league gap - but a dont think managers would want that distraction.
thoughts
Weekly weather forecast just on there, looks like the freeze will be well away by next weekend. Hopefully the pitches won't be waterlogged and the season can get under way!
UUJ McKenna Cup Panel
Michael McAllister
Aidan Girvan
Colm Murney
Ciaran McGinley
Conor Bayne
Darren Hughes
Gerard McCartan
Shane Mulligan
Enda Kenny
Ciaran Donnelly
Thomas McCann
Jason McAnulla
Stefan Forker
Peter Hughes
Diarmuid McNulty
Stephen O'Kane
Danny Mullholland
Mark Gottche
Kieran Nolan
Conor McManus
David McKenna
Cillian O'Reilly
Shane O'Hagan
Colm Cavanagh
Dessie Mone
Caolan O'Boyle
Jamie Clarke
Dermot McCann
Daryl McAlarnon
St Mary's College Panel
Tim Harney - Tyrone
Ryan Dolan - Fermanagh
Gareth Johnston - Down
Mark Digney - Down
Kevin O'Boyle - Antrim
Barry Canavan - Tyrone
Brian Og Maguire - Fermanagh
John Kelly - Tyrone
Mark McKenna - Tyrone
Martin Murray - Tyrone
Kein mossey - Tyrone
Michael Pollock - Antrim
Conor McGourty - Antrim
Kevin Niblock - Antrm
Paul McCarville - Armagh
Joseph Burke - Armagh
Michael Slane - Tyrone
Michael Brogan - Armagh
Oisin McIvor - Armagh
Paul McAleer - Tyrone
Lee McQuaid - Fermanagh
Darren Canavan - Tyrone
Ciaran Campbell - Tyrone
Simon O'Neill - Tyrone
Ryan Boyle - Down
Brian Doyle - Derry
Brendan Herron - Derry
Darren Carson - Tyrone
Ryan Burns - Tyrone
Michael Stephenson - Armagh
Stephen Quinn - Tyrone
Kevin Connelly - Fermanagh
Queen's University Belfast Panel
Fergal Murphy - Irvinestown
Shane Barton - Moneymore
Sean Burke - St Gall's
Luke Byrne - Bryansford
Owen Costello - Bredagh
Brian Cox - Belcoo
Justin Crozier - Cargin
Hugh Gallagher - Omagh
Micheal Gallagher - Omagh
Marcus Hannick - Killala
Joe Ireland - Bryansford
James Kielt - Kilrea
Kieran Leonard - Belcoo
Gary Magee - Rostrevor
Benny Martin - St Gall's
Peter Graham - Creggan
Gerard McAleese - Portglenone
Dermot McBride - Ballinascreen
Conal McCullagh - Glenelly
Niall McElroy - Tempo
Brian Og McAlary - Kilrea
Conal McGovern - Burren
Niall McGovern - Belcoo
Niall McShane - Cullyhanna
Robbie McWilliams - Swatragh
Deaghlan O'Hagan - St Brigid's
Louis O'Neill - Coalisland
Shaun O'Neill - Dromore
Mark Sweeney - St Brigid's
Michael Ward - Beragh
Are the matches for this weekend still a go does anyone know?
Quote from: haranguerer on January 14, 2010, 11:20:27 AM
Are the matches for this weekend still a go does anyone know?
As far as I know they are still on.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 11, 2010, 12:23:49 AM
St Mary's College Panel
Tim Harney - Tyrone
Ryan Dolan - Fermanagh
Gareth Johnston - Down
Mark Digney - Down
Kevin O'Boyle - Antrim
Barry Canavan - Tyrone
Brian Og Maguire - Fermanagh
John Kelly - Tyrone
Mark McKenna - Tyrone
Martin Murray - Tyrone
Kein mossey - Tyrone
Michael Pollock - Antrim
Conor McGourty - Antrim
Kevin Niblock - Antrm
Paul McCarville - Armagh
Joseph Burke - Armagh
Michael Slane - Tyrone
Michael Brogan - Armagh
Oisin McIvor - Armagh
Paul McAleer - Tyrone
Lee McQuaid - Fermanagh
Darren Canavan - Tyrone
Ciaran Campbell - Tyrone
Simon O'Neill - Tyrone
Ryan Boyle - Down
Brian Doyle - Derry
Brendan Herron - Derry
Darren Carson - Tyrone
Ryan Burns - Tyrone
Michael Stephenson - Armagh
Stephen Quinn - Tyrone
Kevin Connelly - Fermanagh
It's Paul Carvill not Paul McCarville, super wee footballer.
Is that Gareth "magic" Johnston of hurling fame ?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 15, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
It's Paul Carvill not Paul McCarville, super wee footballer.
brilliant free taker and I'd love to see him on the Armagh panel.
>:( I see Benny Martin has listed his club as St Galls.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on January 15, 2010, 02:53:38 PM
>:( I see Benny Martin has listed his club as St Galls.
Well, he did get a transfer midway through last year
I thought it was just as a result of placement from Queens. I was told only last week that he was back on board. He is a top wee player and very versatile
Poly a good price at 15/8 against Armagh
Quote from: Wee Roddy on January 15, 2010, 04:18:36 PM
I thought it was just as a result of placement from Queens. I was told only last week that he was back on board. He is a top wee player and very versatile
what clubs he from, and what position does he play?
Was thinkin the Poly were good odds would Armagh have much of a team out? Also going to do Tyrone, Derry and possibly Cavan as Donegal seem to be understrength with injuries and college players. Not sure what kind of team Cavan will have out though. The NFL usually provides better betting opportunities.
Benny Martin played for Carrickmore although didn't always start but was used as a half forward and half back for QUB
Looks like a strong Jordanstown panel.
A few late movers for university in McManus and Mone - assuming they're the same ones.
Some of them boys have been at university a long time... Kevin Niblock has been about university football for as long as I can remember.
Under normal circumstances Armagh mightn't have much of a team out tomorrow, but since its O'Rourke's first game in charge he might make an extra effort to get off to a winning start by naming a few more familiar faces.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 15, 2010, 09:41:22 PM
Looks like a strong Jordanstown panel.
A few late movers for university in McManus and Mone - assuming they're the same ones.
Some of them boys have been at university a long time... Kevin Niblock has been about university football for as long as I can remember.
Aye it's Mone's first time in University but McManus is doing a masters in UUJ. He's out for the McKenna cup though as the wrist still isn't right I don't think.
Quote from: angermanagement on January 15, 2010, 01:01:05 PM
Is that Gareth "magic" Johnston of hurling fame ?
No its Gareth Johnston off the Tullylish club.
Quote from: maximus on January 15, 2010, 09:36:00 PM
Was thinkin the Poly were good odds would Armagh have much of a team out? Also going to do Tyrone, Derry and possibly Cavan as Donegal seem to be understrength with injuries and college players. Not sure what kind of team Cavan will have out though. The NFL usually provides better betting opportunities.
Benny Martin played for Carrickmore although didn't always start but was used as a half forward and half back for QUB
hard to know what kind of a team we (am I allowed to say we here??) will have out tomorrow... Could field a side with a decent amount of experience and feck all debuts or Carr could go the other way and throw out a slap of debuts...
For example if the same team was played as last Wednesday in the challenge match, there would be 5 competitive debuts and another 5/6 who wouldn't have played for Cavan any more than 3 times
I see Baker reckons his son Eoin is 'the best forward in Ulster at the minute'.
Easy to see where that confident vein comes from.
I wonder what Paddy thinks about that.
Quote. I see Baker reckons his son Eoin is 'the best forward in Ulster at the minute'.
There is no dilution in the delusion alright
Our Patrick won't be impressed by that statement :D
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - McKenna Cup Gold. Tyrone were at their peak in destroying Donegal.
Does tonights game start at 7.00pm or 7.30pm? I thought 7.30 but the Irish News says 7.00.
Quote from: Any craic on January 16, 2010, 11:49:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - McKenna Cup Gold. Tyrone were at their peak in destroying Donegal.
great video. subscribers are a bit dodgy
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 16, 2010, 03:40:34 PM
Does tonights game start at 7.00pm or 7.30pm? I thought 7.30 but the Irish News says 7.00.
From Ulster Council today
Saturday 16th January (All games at 7.00pm unless otherwise stated):
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup:
Section A
Armagh v UUJ at Crossmaglen (2.00pm) Ref: M Higgins (Fermanagh)
Section B
Cavan v Donegal at Kingspan Breffni Park Ref: G McCarron (Monaghan)
Section C
Down v Queens at Pairc Esler Ref: G Walsh (Antrim)
So we were beat 0-16 to 1-12. Typical McKenna Cup game, a bit sloppy and plenty of players not looking fit yet.
Armagh team was:
P Hearty
A Mallon
V Martin
B Shannon
S O'Neill
B Donaghy
F Moriarty
M Mackin (C Vernon, HT)
J Lavery
R Austin
C Watters (A Kernan, HT)
J Feeney (J O'Neill, ~60mins)
T Kernan (M McNamee, ~15mins)
R Henderson
B McCone (S McDonnell, ~60mins)
Defence was a bit sloppy and loose, Martin was probably the pick of them. Midfield broke about even. Forwards were alright, but not great. Of the newer faces, few really stood out apart from Martin and maybe Feeney, and a few others were pretty awful, but it would be unfair to judge them after one game. Stevie McDonnell had a free from about 35 yards to even it with the last kick of the ball, but missed.
The new rules are a bit shit. Clean catches at midfield were so infrequent that the mark seems slightly pointless. This rule fails to deal with the far more common situation, where a man picks up a break ball only to find himself surrounded. The hand pass rule is idiotic. Enforcing the use of the fist does nothing to improve the game, and only serves to frustrate players and spectators when blown up.
Someone should tell that Conor Bayne fella to sort his hair out.
Tame enough affair - high scoring for this time of year but lacking a real intensity. The disappointing aspect was not really the defeat but the fact that no one really put their hand up in terms of demanding inclusion later in the year. Thought Feeney done well enough, Tony Kernan got the goal and James Lavery played well. I agree the mark didn't seem to make much of an impact but James Lavery would have had another two except for a very dubious free against him on one occasion and the ref forgetting the rule on another. You'd have expected Stevie to snatch the draw for us at the end, dead straight in front of goals.
Was it not McCone with the goal?
It was Mc Cone.
Videos and interviews from Armagh V UUJ game:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/Jnd9KLB009c
Can anyone tell me what the programmes were like?
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Videos and interviews from Armagh V UUJ game:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/Jnd9KLB009c
Can anyone tell me what the programmes were like?
Same as last year, just one for the whole competition with all the teams and their squad numbers. The teams actually seem to be using their squad numbers this year, which is nice.
UUJ beat Armagh in McKenna opener
UUJ defeated Armagh 0-16 to 1-12 in Group A of the Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup at Crossmaglen on Saturday. Brian McCone's 16th-minute goal gave Armagh a five-point lead but UUJ hit back with six unanswered points to draw level at 1-6 to 0-9 at half-time. Jason McAnulla put UUJ in front with the first score of the second half and remained ahead until the final whistle. Steven McDonnell had a chance to level with the last kick of the game but sent his free wide.
Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup results/ fixtures
Saturday 16 January
Group A - Result
Armagh 1-12 0-16 UUJ
Group B
Cavan v Donegal (Breffni Park, 1900 GMT)
Group C
Down v Queen's (Pairc Esler, 1900 GMT)
Sunday 17 January
Group A
Fermanagh v Monaghan (Brewster Park, 1400 GMT)
Group B
Tyrone v St Mary's (Healy Park, 1400 GMT)
Group C
Antrim v Derry (Casement Park, 1400 GMT)
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8463450.stm
Published: 2010/01/16 16:35:22 GMT
© BBC MMX
Cavan 0-09 Donegal 0-11 Result
Donegal scorers:
Hanlon 1
McFadden 2 frees
Murphy 0-2
Gallagher 0-1
Cassidy 0-1
Gareth Concarr 0-3
Cavan scorers
Smyth 0-7
McGuigan 0-1
Cahill 0-1
http://links.pollenzone.com/highlandradio.asx
http://powerlink.powerstream.net/002/00187/live4.asx
Donegal prove too good for Cavan
Donegal defeated Cavan 0-11 to 0-9 in Saturday night's Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup Group B match at Breffni Park. Cavan led 0-4 to 0-3 at the break but two points from Michael Murphy, who came off the bench, changed the course. Gareth Smyth was the top-scorer for Cavan with seven points while Gareth Concarr was Donegal's most impressive player, scoring three points.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8463855.stm
Published: 2010/01/16 21:08:34 GMT
© BBC MMX
Good show by down in cold conditions. Marty clarke was the highlight with some good scores. For me laverty showed Again he isn't up to scratch, going out of his way to fight costello and being lost in the forwRd line.
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Good show by down in cold conditions. Marty clarke was the highlight with some good scores. For me laverty showed Again he isn't up to scratch, going out of his way to fight costello and being lost in the forwRd line.
What was the score?
Down see off Queen's in McKenna
Down defeated Queen's 1-17 to 0-8 in Saturday night's Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup Group C game. Down led 0-9 to 0-6 at half-time and a Martin Clarke penalty midway through the second half boosted their lead. Clarke was the dominant figure and ended with a tally of 1-6, including five frees while John Clarke and Paul McComiskey accumulated 0-3 apiece. The Queen's scores came from five James Kielt frees, Gerard McAleese and two second-half frees from Michael Ward. Martin Clarke played for 50 minutes of the match at Pairc Esler.
Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup results/fixtures
Saturday 16 January
Group A - Result
Armagh 1-12 0-16 UUJ
Group B
Cavan 0-9 0-11 Donegal
Group C
Down 1-17 0-8 Queen's
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8463842.stm
Published: 2010/01/16 20:54:29 GMT
© BBC MMX
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UUJ beat Armagh in McKenna opener
UUJ defeated Armagh 0-16 to 1-12 in Group A of the Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup at Crossmaglen on Saturday. Brian McCone's 16th-minute goal gave Armagh a five-point lead but UUJ hit back with six unanswered points to draw level at 1-6 to 0-9 at half-time. Jason McAnulla put UUJ in front with the first score of the second half and remained ahead until the final whistle. Steven McDonnell had a chance to level with the last kick of the game but sent his free wide.
Paddy O'Rourke out!
Marty's Mark!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBt4HxxQ7Vw
Martin Clarke first to claim mark in game tonight.
Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2010, 04:26:49 PM
So we were beat 0-16 to 1-12. Typical McKenna Cup game, a bit sloppy and plenty of players not looking fit yet.
Armagh team was:
P Hearty
A Mallon
V Martin
B Shannon
S O'Neill
B Donaghy
F Moriarty
M Mackin (C Vernon, HT)
J Lavery
R Austin
C Watters (A Kernan, HT)
J Feeney (J O'Neill, ~60mins)
T Kernan (M McNamee, ~15mins)
R Henderson
B McCone (S McDonnell, ~60mins)
Defence was a bit sloppy and loose, Martin was probably the pick of them. Midfield broke about even. Forwards were alright, but not great. Of the newer faces, few really stood out apart from Martin and maybe Feeney, and a few others were pretty awful, but it would be unfair to judge them after one game. Stevie McDonnell had a free from about 35 yards to even it with the last kick of the ball, but missed.
The new rules are a bit shit. Clean catches at midfield were so infrequent that the mark seems slightly pointless. This rule fails to deal with the far more common situation, where a man picks up a break ball only to find himself surrounded. The hand pass rule is idiotic. Enforcing the use of the fist does nothing to improve the game, and only serves to frustrate players and spectators when blown up.
Someone should tell that Conor Bayne fella to sort his hair out.
fails in what way? should we make it non contact then? if someones is surrounded then he ought to release the ball quicker. the rule changes are shite who think these things up?
Casement tomorrow to check out the new boys
Could anyone post the UUJ team please? Thanks.
Quote from: hardstation on January 16, 2010, 09:11:50 PM
Your lot were playing tonight, milltown2.
aye, dont see any reason they shouldn't. you could get hurt in training just as easily as a game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
fails in what way? should we make it non contact then? if someones is surrounded then he ought to release the ball quicker. the rule changes are shite who think these things up?
Casement tomorrow to check out the new boys
Well, it seems the rulemakers were unhappy that these pile ups were happening around the middle after kickouts. So they bring in the mark to prevent lads making clean catches getting tangled up in this manner, but there are fcuk all clean catches in a game. Conversely there are a couple of dozen break balls won around the middle in any given match, but the new rule does nothing to prevent the break ball winner getting immediately tangled up. In short, the new rule does fcuk all to solve the perceived problem.
I don't think any additional rules were needed, and I'm just highlighting the inefficacy of this new rule.
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Marty's Mark!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBt4HxxQ7Vw
Martin Clarke first to claim mark in game tonight.
Beautiful and talented... *sigh* :D
Martys catching was superb. Really looks like AFL devlops catching well. His spring is also up there with coulters.
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Your lot were playing tonight, milltown2.
aye, dont see any reason they shouldn't. you could get hurt in training just as easily as a game
Interesting point. If St. Gall's players can play for their uni in the McKenna Cup, why can't other St. Gall's players play for the county in the same competition?
In hindsight, scrap that. Probably something to do with training times.
not sure about the training times, but if the are training with the club then they are fit to play the games. don't see any reason they shouldn't play. ti'm not for wrapping players up in cotton wool (it plays to their already inflated egos) let them play away with the county.
breaks things up for them, but i'd want them to train with their club players if they are still in the All Ireland comp.
yeah, still, i don't mind if they are playing county games a week before their own game. i don't believe in this burn out crap. lucky fookers have a time of it
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Quote from: down6061689194 on January 16, 2010, 09:38:41 PM
Martys catching was superb. Really looks like AFL devlops catching well. His spring is also up there with coulters.
How can you tell that in January?
He was out jumping fellas taller than him, springing off the ground well, which is an asset of Benny.
I thouhgt down had a good game tonight but the first thing that comes to mind is the wee James factor up and down the line and loads shouting support to the players its a nice change.
No short frees and not closing down the keeper seem to be james' aim. He went mad at marty for letting his man get a few shorts.
Down seem to have finally found a left footed free taker in Marty Clarke, by my reckoning he scored 1-05 tonight, though the BBC have him down for 1-06. He was the stand out performer on the pitch tonight, without ever really exerting himself. He looked very assured from frees and tucked away a nice penalty just before he was taken off with 20 minutes to go. The penalty came from an excellent ball from Coulter to an unmarked Laverty who was just on the field a few minutes.
But it wasn't all about Martin Clarke. Ambrose was excellent at midfield, while James Colgan had a steady game in defence. He looked very comfortable in possession and his distribution was excellent. The defence looked pretty solid and Alder looked very comfortable, though he didn't have a lot to do. All in all it wasn't a bad Down performance, they seemed to have a game plan and stuck to it, something that has been missing for a long time.
Queens were poor and although they were still in the game after 30 minutes they didn't seem to come out for the second half. Best for Queens were Ireland in midfield and James Kielt who scored 5 points.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
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UUJ beat Armagh in McKenna opener
UUJ defeated Armagh 0-16 to 1-12 in Group A of the Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup at Crossmaglen on Saturday. Brian McCone's 16th-minute goal gave Armagh a five-point lead but UUJ hit back with six unanswered points to draw level at 1-6 to 0-9 at half-time. Jason McAnulla put UUJ in front with the first score of the second half and remained ahead until the final whistle. Steven McDonnell had a chance to level with the last kick of the game but sent his free wide.
Paddy O'Rourke out!
:D
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
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Could anyone post the UUJ team please? Thanks.
S Kane, A Girvan, S Mulligan, G McCartan, C Bayne (0-1), E Kenny, G McCartan, D Hughes (0-1), C O'Boyle (0-4), P Hughes (0-1), M Gottche, J Clarke (0-4, 4f), J McAnulla (0-1), S Forker (0-4, 3f), D McNulty.
Subs: D Mulholland for McCartan, T McCann for McNulty, C Nolan for Clarke.
Heading to the Monaghan Armagh match this Wednesday
What's the best way to Inniskeen from Newry ?
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
How could you see that from the stand?
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
How could you see that from the stand?
Well it was clear to see he was holding and i got confirmation from the player on recieving end.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
How could you see that from the stand?
Well it was clear to see he was holding and i got confirmation from the player on recieving end.
In fairness MDG Lavery is known for being a cute player himself so in all probability it was a case of both players letting each other know they were there and its not fair to blame costello for what was a minor incident
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Good show by down in cold conditions. Marty clarke was the highlight with some good scores. For me laverty showed Again he isn't up to scratch, going out of his way to fight costello and being lost in the forwRd line.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
How could you see that from the stand?
Well it was clear to see he was holding and i got confirmation from the player on recieving end.
In fairness MDG Lavery is known for being a cute player himself so in all probability it was a case of both players letting each other know they were there and its not fair to blame costello for what was a minor incident
Thats fair enough and i agree it takes two. I rate him a decent defender and will be close to starting on county under 21 defence this year.
Quote from: Shortso79 on January 17, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
Heading to the Monaghan Armagh match this Wednesday
What's the best way to Inniskeen from Newry ?
Guessing head to Cross, take the Sheilagh road, turn left at the T-junction and its signposted?
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Good show by down in cold conditions. Marty clarke was the highlight with some good scores. For me laverty showed Again he isn't up to scratch, going out of his way to fight costello and being lost in the forwRd line.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
How could you see that from the stand?
Costello probably did something to upset him but what if Down are in the ulster final, someone gives him a nip, he digs him and we're down to 14. He was up for a fight against Bryansford too when I seen him.
Would be very surprised if he is entrusted with any serious role in this years championship.
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Heading to the Monaghan Armagh match this Wednesday
What's the best way to Inniskeen from Newry ?
Guessing head to Cross, take the Sheilagh road, turn left at the T-junction and its signposted?
Quicker to head through Forkhill, then onto to Hackballscross.
The Armagh Poly match was uninspiring stuff, as others have said few players played well. Joe Feeney did OK, thought Malachy Mackin did well when he was on but still refuses to even try to catch the simplest pass let alone kickouts. Thought Jaimie Clarke showed well for the Poly, Forker did nothing in general play. Interesting to see AK go to CHF when he came on.
On the rules, the mark is never going to change a game mainly because there isn't that many in a game but I still like to see clean catching rewarded and when the "free" was awarded it didn't stop play like some have said it would. It will also show which midfielders can kick pass accurately or not as James Lavery showed. The "fist pass" rule is going to be frustrating especially when things get competitive in the league, the ref seemed to blow up every fist pass at one stage even when he was 20/30 yards away and couldn't possibly see whether the action was correct or not. The referee listed for the match was Martin Higgins and if it was him I'm not surprised by some of the decisions.
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Quote from: Shortso79 on January 17, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
Heading to the Monaghan Armagh match this Wednesday
What's the best way to Inniskeen from Newry ?
Guessing head to Cross, take the Sheilagh road, turn left at the T-junction and its signposted?
I would go up the motorway as far as the Castleblayney turn off and head out through the Hack as if you are going to Cross. If you take a left at that little shop just before the turn off for Cross it will take you into Inniskeen. Go right when you get into Iniskeen and the pitch is out that road about a half a mile on the left.
any of the ulster games on the radio
Down Line Up for last nights game;
1. Declan Alder (Carryduff)
27. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
12. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks)
19. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)
25. James Colgan (An Riocht)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)
20. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)
10. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
11. Mark Poland (Longstone)
30. Stephen Kearney (Saval)
29. John Clarke (An Riocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
CHANGES TO THE MCKENNA CUP SQUAD DUE TO INJURY:
21. Kalum King (Bryansford) replaces Kevin Anderson
28. Conor Maginn (Bryansford) replaces Mark Doran
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28. Conor Maginn (Bryansford) replaces Mark Doran
Was in the stands last night with Timmy Hannah.
Is timmy taking a break?
Tyrone game live on q101.2... they winning very easily so far
Cricket score in omagh.
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Good show by down in cold conditions. Marty clarke was the highlight with some good scores. For me laverty showed Again he isn't up to scratch, going out of his way to fight costello and being lost in the forwRd line.
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the man won a penalty and was very involved and was as dangerous as any off our other inside men. Give the man a break and catch a grip.
Too be fair he was being literally being grabbed by the shirt and wrestled and the ref done fook all about it.
He gets some ridiculous bad press, few teenage Down fans in front of me were hoping " that yer Queens man would empty him." DOWN FANS :o unreal.
sounds bad but i still think thats exactly what the queens player should have done. not sure what his obsession is with fighting.
decent enough run out. dont think queens will be anywhere near the running for sigerson this year, hope im wrong though.
Well costello should stop using his nipping and pulling tactics and he will not get a slap. Lavertys movement is hard to stop and he is very hard to mark but no player should be nipped constantly. Laverty has that determination that is needed and too many Down players in recent years havent got. He is good enough. end off. he has proved it at county under 21s a few seasons ago when he was Downs best player and consistently for Kilcoo in Downs top flight. Last night he made 2 points and won a penalty when on pitch for twenty minutes and as dundrumite said he was being grabbed and the ref done nothing which was a clear free in. Some Down supporters are hard to please, we get a rare 12 point win and some ejits come onto this board to single out one particular man who played well. Wise yourselves up. Tyrone fans get behing their fighting, in your face players as do Armagh.
agree mdg, he looked very lively, made the penalty and was well up for it. i think he will be a big asset to down if he can keep his cool.
0-14 to 0-02 halftime
Ft
tyrone 0-26
st marys 0-10
Coney man of the match for Tír Eoghain :)
Thats serious energy displayed by Tyrone to-day! Wow 26 points thats impressive in hurling never mind football. How many Tyrone minors from 08 played? Was there many Tyrone players on the St Mary's team?
Tyrone laying down the mantle for the 2010 campaign already. Looks like new lads are hungry to stake a claim in the team and there is no substitute for that either.
A romp in the park for tyrone today. Coney awarded MOTM, very good so he was but really should have went to Brian McGuigan, simply outstanding, man is a class act and is in great shape for this time of the year, different sauce altogether. Tyrone very strong squad, going to be hard to pick national league / championship team the year!!
Totally agree,Coney was excellent but Brian McGuigan was the outstanding player on the field.
archie will be delighted
No question about it Brian was outstanding. Coney needs to learn a bit more about teamwork but wS very good nonetheless. Thought McKenna had solid debut as well. SON a cut above also.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 17, 2010, 04:47:13 PM
A romp in the park for tyrone today. Coney awarded MOTM, very good so he was but really should have went to Brian McGuigan, simply outstanding, man is a class act and is in great shape for this time of the year, different sauce altogether. Tyrone very strong squad, going to be hard to pick national league / championship team the year!!
Dont f**king jinx him!! Glad to see McGuigan do well though. Any chance of rankings for the players?? Any in depth analysis??
What team started for tyrone today?
Curran, McNabb,McKeown,Swift,Carlin,Justin McM,Sean O'Neill,Cassidy,Murphy,McKenna,Brian McGuigan,Coney,McCusker,Stephen O'Neill,Mark Donnelly.
there were 23 tyrone men on the field at one stage!
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What team started for tyrone today?
J Curran
R McNabb
M Mc Keown
M Swift
S O'Neill
Justin Mc Mahon
D Carlin
M Murphy
A Cassidy
N McKenna
B NcGuigan
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K Coney
Steven O'Neill
M Donnelly
Subs
T MgCuigan for K Coney
K Hughes for A Cassidy
M Penrose for N McKenna
Cant for the life of me remember who else was in the HF line.
Antrim edge out Derry at Casement
Antrim clinched a 3-7 to 0-15 victory over the Oak Leafers in Sunday's Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup Group C clash at Casement Park. Michael McCann and Michael Magill hit the net for Antrim but it was even at the break at 2-4 to 0-10. Ciaran Close's goal put the hosts three points ahead in the last 10 minutes and Antrim held on for a narrow win.
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J Curran
R McNabb
M Mc Keown
M Swift
S O'Neill
Justin Mc Mahon
D Carlin
M Murphy
A Cassidy
N McKenna
B NcGuigan
K Coney
E McCusker
Steven O'Neill
M Donnelly
Subs
T MgCuigan for K Coney
K Hughes for A Cassidy
M Penrose for N McKenna
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A romp in the park for tyrone today. Coney awarded MOTM, very good so he was but really should have went to Brian McGuigan, simply outstanding, man is a class act and is in great shape for this time of the year, different sauce altogether. Tyrone very strong squad, going to be hard to pick national league / championship team the year!!
Dont f**king jinx him!! Glad to see McGuigan do well though. Any chance of rankings for the players?? Any in depth analysis??
Curran = 7...steady, not overly tested
Swift = 7..done rightly on CJ who was there only scorer in the 1st half
McKeown = 6....got sandwiched and had to be withdrawn early in the 1st half, took a heavy knock
Carlin = 6..bit off the pace but its early, no raiding runs like he is renowed for. fitness will improve in the next fews weeks so will see a big improvement
McNabb = 6..first game at county so its a right step up and it showed a bit. never got tight to marty murry but kicked a lovely score himself. wouldnt be to hard on a young player just yet, game at this level will have done him no harm
Justin McMahon = 7...steady, the usual from McMahon, silky on the ball, didnt over exert but looks quality
Sean red Oneill = 7 good player, good passing, good ball carrier, solid stuff
Mickey Murphy = 8 kicked a point or 2, very strong got, if can keep injury free will be a good asset
Cassidy = 8 took three marks from kick outs, good use of the ball, good ball carrier.
McKenna = 7, kicked a good score, didnt look out of place, came into it more as game went on, slow start
B McGuigan = 11, superb performace, kicked 4/5 points, set up numerous others, got up and down the field, won break ball, use of the ball was top drawer, dont think he made a mistake. He was always on the ball as well, class stuff.
K Coney = 9 some lovely scores, looked in the mood, lovely lazy looking left peg on him, the boy has a bit of quality about him. rated highly in ardboe and if perform like this for tyrone on a regular basis he will have a lot more fans from outside ardboe
M Donnelly = 6 done ok, was out in front most of the time but didnt offer a massive threat scoring wise. used the ball well
S Oneill = 8 didnt touch leather for 20 minutes, first touch was a point, 2nd touch was another point. Good second half, few more scores out of him, pushing boys off the ball, what more can one say about SON
E McCusker = 8 very good, won ball, strong kicked 3 or 4 points, very good outing
Subs
E McGinely = not on long enough to be rated
Hub Hughes = 7 kicked nice score off the LEFT peg
McElholm = 7 replaced mckeown first half, didnt have much to do, what a size of a man!!
cant mind the other 2 subs who came on ???
Coney stars in Red Hands victory
Kyle Coney made a triumphant Tyrone debut as the Red Hands hammered St Mary's 0-26 to 0-10 in the Barrett Sports Lighting McKenna Cup game. Coney, who turned his back on an AFL career with Sydney Swans, scored five points in the rout at Healy Park. Tyrone led by 0-14 to 0-2 at half-time, and had 12 different players on the scoresheet in an impressive display. Donegal defeated Cavan 0-11 to 0-9 in Saturday night's Group B opener at Breffni Park. Cavan led 0-4 to 0-3 at the break but two points from Michael Murphy, who came off the bench, changed the course of the game. Gareth Smyth was the top-scorer for Cavan with seven points while Gareth Concarr was Donegal's most impressive player, scoring three points. Stephen O'Neill also scored five points for Tyrone in Omagh, with Brian McGuigan notching four and Eoin McCusker three.
Substititute Brian Doyle, with four, was the students' top scorer, while CJ McGourty hit three points.
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Ernemen beat Monaghan in McKenna
Fermanagh got their Barrett Sports Lighting McKenna Cup campaign off to a winning start with victory over Monaghan on Sunday. The Erne county secured a 0-12 to 0-8 win in the Group A encounter at Brewster Park.
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Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 17, 2010, 05:51:58 PM
Curran = 7...steady, not overly tested
Swift = 7..done rightly on CJ who was there only scorer in the 1st half
McKeown = 6....got sandwiched and had to be withdrawn early in the 1st half, took a heavy knock
Carlin = 6..bit off the pace but its early, no raiding runs like he is renowed for. fitness will improve in the next fews weeks so will see a big improvement
McNabb = 6..first game at county so its a right step up and it showed a bit. never got tight to marty murry but kicked a lovely score himself. wouldnt be to hard on a young player just yet, game at this level will have done him no harm
Justin McMahon = 7...steady, the usual from McMahon, silky on the ball, didnt over exert but looks quality
Sean red Oneill = 7 good player, good passing, good ball carrier, solid stuff
Mickey Murphy = 8 kicked a point or 2, very strong got, if can keep injury free will be a good asset
Cassidy = 8 took three marks from kick outs, good use of the ball, good ball carrier.
McKenna = 7, kicked a good score, didnt look out of place, came into it more as game went on, slow start
B McGuigan = 11, superb performace, kicked 4/5 points, set up numerous others, got up and down the field, won break ball, use of the ball was top drawer, dont think he made a mistake. He was always on the ball as well, class stuff.
K Coney = 9 some lovely scores, looked in the mood, lovely lazy looking left peg on him, the boy has a bit of quality about him. rated highly in ardboe and if perform like this for tyrone on a regular basis he will have a lot more fans from outside ardboe
M Donnelly = 6 done ok, was out in front most of the time but didnt offer a massive threat scoring wise. used the ball well
S Oneill = 8 didnt touch leather for 20 minutes, first touch was a point, 2nd touch was another point. Good second half, few more scores out of him, pushing boys off the ball, what more can one say about SON
E McCusker = 8 very good, won ball, strong kicked 3 or 4 points, very good outing
Subs
E McGinely = not on long enough to be rated
Hub Hughes = 7 kicked nice score off the LEFT peg
McElholm = 7 replaced mckeown first half, didnt have much to do, what a size of a man!!
cant mind the other 2 subs who came on ???
Thanks for that DD12, that's seriously encouraging, even at this very early stage, with so many new faces putting in such a devastating performance.
Young Cassidy making a mockery of the new experimental 'mark'? :D
The game in Enniskillen was atrocious. Not one positive to take from Monaghan's display today. Fermanagh had three gilt-edged goal chances in the first half and could have been out of sight by then. Some of the ways they messed up these chances were comical!
For us Hugh McElroy and Marty McElroy were alright I suppose. Hughie won a fair bit of the ball that went into him and Martin got on a lot of ball too. Kieran Hughes has a bit of football in him too and could come good given time (but not in the full back line). But I can't make a case for any of the rest of them who lined out today. I don't see any of them remotely pusing for a starting place when the serious stuff gets going.
Of particular concern is the dearth of midlfield talent in our county. We were cleaned out again in this sector. I had high hopes for Francis Caulfield in this area but he only lasted til half time and I'd have taken him off long before then.
I know it's only the first game of the year and rustiness is to be expected but all today did was reinforce my long-held belief that we have about 17 - 18 players of intercounty standard in Monaghan and that's it. The rest are making up the numbers.
Good to hear about Coney there. He came in for a bit of flack playing for Arboe in 09 and it's good to know he started well in 10 at this level.
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The game in Enniskillen was atrocious. Not one positive to take from Monaghan's display today. Fermanagh had three gilt-edged goal chances in the first half and could have been out of sight by then. Some of the ways they messed up these chances were comical!
For us Hugh McElroy and Marty McElroy were alright I suppose. Hughie won a fair bit of the ball that went into him and Martin got on a lot of ball too. Kieran Hughes has a bit of football in him too and could come good given time (but not in the full back line). But I can't make a case for any of the rest of them who lined out today. I don't see any of them remotely pusing for a starting place when the serious stuff gets going.
Of particular concern is the dearth of midlfield talent in our county. We were cleaned out again in this sector. I had high hopes for Francis Caulfield in this area but he only lasted til half time and I'd have taken him off long before then.
I know it's only the first game of the year and rustiness is to be expected but all today did was reinforce my long-held belief that we have about 17 - 18 players of intercounty standard in Monaghan and that's it. The rest are making up the numbers.
did not make the game today. Any of the Fermanagh men impress??
Quote from: charlie linkbox on January 17, 2010, 07:01:56 PM
The game in Enniskillen was atrocious. Not one positive to take from Monaghan's display today. Fermanagh had three gilt-edged goal chances in the first half and could have been out of sight by then. Some of the ways they messed up these chances were comical!
For us Hugh McElroy and Marty McElroy were alright I suppose. Hughie won a fair bit of the ball that went into him and Martin got on a lot of ball too. Kieran Hughes has a bit of football in him too and could come good given time (but not in the full back line). But I can't make a case for any of the rest of them who lined out today. I don't see any of them remotely pusing for a starting place when the serious stuff gets going.
Of particular concern is the dearth of midlfield talent in our county. We were cleaned out again in this sector. I had high hopes for Francis Caulfield in this area but he only lasted til half time and I'd have taken him off long before then.
I know it's only the first game of the year and rustiness is to be expected but all today did was reinforce my long-held belief that we have about 17 - 18 players of intercounty standard in Monaghan and that's it. The rest are making up the numbers.
Agree with a lot of that. If Fermanagh were able to shoot at all they could have won this by 10.
The only positive is that this wasn't really a Monaghan team at all - apart from Clerkin (for 20 mins) Hanratty and McArdle, there weren't any other regulars were there? I really don't see the point in putting out a team with 12 new players. The whole point of these games should be to integrate a handful of new players into the current team. We don't need another 12 players, we need another 5 probably, but we need to see them playing as part of the actual team. We need 5/6 new players playing alongside the likes of Finlay, McQuaid, Freeman etc.
I thought the pick of a bad bunch were Kieran Hughes and Hugh McElroy (when he actually got the ball). McArdle looked in decent enough shape too - i'd imagine he was the oldest man on the field by a good bit!
Hanratty was a disaster. I've defended him many times, but today he was awful. When he gets possession, he's going to shoot no matter where he is - he never looks up for another player. He had a chance on goal when he shot over the bar, but if he had passed it across the face of the goal there was another player who could have had it in the back of the net.
As for Clerkin's red card, from what I saw it was a bit harsh. The Fermanagh player went flying, but i'm not sure there was anything in it other than two players colliding.
With regard to the new rules, I think i counted either 3 or 4 marks in the whole game, so it didn't make much difference.
Who was the ref? And what was he doing giving Fermanagh 2 chances to take that free (two from the 13m line and both of them wide!)?
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/f (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/f) - Coney's best bits from today in Omagh.
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Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 17, 2010, 04:47:13 PM
A romp in the park for tyrone today. Coney awarded MOTM, very good so he was but really should have went to Brian McGuigan, simply outstanding, man is a class act and is in great shape for this time of the year, different sauce altogether. Tyrone very strong squad, going to be hard to pick national league / championship team the year!!
Dont f**king jinx him!! Glad to see McGuigan do well though. Any chance of rankings for the players?? Any in depth analysis??
Curran = 7...steady, not overly tested
Swift = 7..done rightly on CJ who was there only scorer in the 1st half
McKeown = 6....got sandwiched and had to be withdrawn early in the 1st half, took a heavy knock
Carlin = 6..bit off the pace but its early, no raiding runs like he is renowed for. fitness will improve in the next fews weeks so will see a big improvement
McNabb = 6..first game at county so its a right step up and it showed a bit. never got tight to marty murry but kicked a lovely score himself. wouldnt be to hard on a young player just yet, game at this level will have done him no harm
Justin McMahon = 7...steady, the usual from McMahon, silky on the ball, didnt over exert but looks quality
Sean red Oneill = 7 good player, good passing, good ball carrier, solid stuff
Mickey Murphy = 8 kicked a point or 2, very strong got, if can keep injury free will be a good asset
Cassidy = 8 took three marks from kick outs, good use of the ball, good ball carrier.
McKenna = 7, kicked a good score, didnt look out of place, came into it more as game went on, slow start
B McGuigan = 11, superb performace, kicked 4/5 points, set up numerous others, got up and down the field, won break ball, use of the ball was top drawer, dont think he made a mistake. He was always on the ball as well, class stuff.
K Coney = 9 some lovely scores, looked in the mood, lovely lazy looking left peg on him, the boy has a bit of quality about him. rated highly in ardboe and if perform like this for tyrone on a regular basis he will have a lot more fans from outside ardboe
M Donnelly = 6 done ok, was out in front most of the time but didnt offer a massive threat scoring wise. used the ball well
S Oneill = 8 didnt touch leather for 20 minutes, first touch was a point, 2nd touch was another point. Good second half, few more scores out of him, pushing boys off the ball, what more can one say about SON
E McCusker = 8 very good, won ball, strong kicked 3 or 4 points, very good outing
Subs
E McGinely = not on long enough to be rated
Hub Hughes = 7 kicked nice score off the LEFT peg
McElholm = 7 replaced mckeown first half, didnt have much to do, what a size of a man!!
cant mind the other 2 subs who came on ???
generous rating for mcelhom thought he got skinned when he came on, looks off the pace at that level
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did not make the game today. Any of the Fermanagh men impress??
Was on the blower to Ferm Pundit earlier to get the low down. He'll prob be on later to give a full account. Fermanagh were poor as well by all accounts. James Sherry played well and Matthew Keena was the best player apparantly. By the sounds of his nine pound entry was not rewarded with value for money!
A scan of the entire programme for the Barrett Sports Lighting Dr. McKenna is available on the Monaghan GAA Forum (http://www.monaghangaaforum.proboards.com) for anyone who is interested.
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I was very impressed by Antrim today, with the way they kept their heads when Derry went 6-1 ahead in the first half. Paddy Cunningham hit the first point of the day - one of his few from play - after a nifty 1-2 with Eoin O'Neill I think it was. I didn't see much of O'Neill for the rest of the game. Derry then went into overdrive and dominated every sector of the park, especially midfield. Eoin Bradley tortured Douglas in the first half who was either too slack on him or fouled him. No 31 for Derry was also causing problems, unsure of who he was.
Of the 6 points-in-a-row Derry hit during that period, the highlight was a humdinger from Declan Mullan after a great individual run. The first mark of the day was made by Fergal Doherty who seemed to be the only player capable of doing so on the field, and if he wasn't going to win it, he made sure no one else did.
Baker was doing his nut on the sideline at this point and Antrim responded. They finally won a scoreable free after a speedy move involving O'Connell of Ahoghill, O'Boyle, Cunningham and Mick McCann who was fouled. Cunningham was on form from placed balls and after he converted that he hit another after Magill was dragged to the ground. Magill was starting to use his strength - I didn't realise he had that to the extent he showed today.
At 6-3, Doherty made his second mark and it led directly to a point from O'Neill of Lavey. Michael McCann seemed to be blowing heavy at this point and I thought it was only a matter of time before he was hauled off. Saw Baker having a word with him. Another Cunningham free after Herron was fouled kept just a goal between them at 7-4.
Mullan hit another for Derry which followed Eoin 'The Best Forward in Ulster' Bradley's best point of the day when he won the ball from a cluster of Antrim defenders and fisted her over. I remember Kielt making a mark around this time - a man well capable of benefitting from this rule. 9-4.
Antrim then upped the tempo a bit and in the blink of an eye (slow enough blinking, maybe more of a wee rest) 0-9 to 0-4 was 0-10 to 2-4. First, Magill set up Mick McCann for the first goal, Bradley replied with a free and then Magill powered through impressively for the second goal after an interception. Half time brought confirmation of the score as the scoreboard man had the runs and hence no scoreboard.
Baker must've sent another rocket up their collective hole as Antrim came out flying in the second. Three points (Dara Edwards, Eoin O'Neill and Cunningham's point of the day involving a cheeky dummy) left the Saffs 2-7 to 0-10. Gault was defending heroically too. For some reason, the ref decided to take a severe disliking for Antrim and seemed to punish them harshly. Baker's continued rant and bottle throwing/stamping escapades maybe made the situation worse.
Brendan Herron had a chance to put them 4 ahead after an interception but fluffed it. Derry went down the field and points from the busy Wilkinson, Fergal Doherty and another Bradley free left it 2-7 to 0-13. Bradley was missing serious chances at this point, especially from free.
Unfortunately herself was beeping outside and I had to leave. I heard the roar of Antrim's goal as I left but was afeard to look as she was watching me.
Didn't have the line outs but Antrim had starting:
Douglas
McQuillan
Scullion
O'Connell
Loughrey
McCann
Herron
Cunningham
Walls
Gault
O'Boyle
Doherty
O'Neill
Magill
Derry had:
McGoldrick
McGuigan
O'Kane J
Hinphey
O'Kane G
Kielt
Doherty
Bradley Patsy
McCloskey
McCartney
Mullan
Wilkinson
Bradley E
O'Neill
Best battles were Edwards v Pat Bradley, Herron v Hinphy, Loughrey v Mullan, Cunningham v McGoldrick and O'Boyle v Kane but not sure if McGoldrick started on Cunningham. Paddy has turned into a right asset for Antrim even apart from frees.
Overall impressed with Antrim given the strength of Derry's side.
Thanks lads
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Heading to the Monaghan Armagh match this Wednesday
What's the best way to Inniskeen from Newry ?
Guessing head to Cross, take the Sheilagh road, turn left at the T-junction and its signposted?
I would go up the motorway as far as the Castleblayney turn off and head out through the Hack as if you are going to Cross. If you take a left at that little shop just before the turn off for Cross it will take you into Inniskeen. Go right when you get into Iniskeen and the pitch is out that road about a half a mile on the left.
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A romp in the park for tyrone today. Coney awarded MOTM, very good so he was but really should have went to Brian McGuigan, simply outstanding, man is a class act and is in great shape for this time of the year, different sauce altogether. Tyrone very strong squad, going to be hard to pick national league / championship team the year!!
Dont f**king jinx him!! Glad to see McGuigan do well though. Any chance of rankings for the players?? Any in depth analysis??
Curran = 7...steady, not overly tested
Swift = 7..done rightly on CJ who was there only scorer in the 1st half
McKeown = 6....got sandwiched and had to be withdrawn early in the 1st half, took a heavy knock
Carlin = 6..bit off the pace but its early, no raiding runs like he is renowed for. fitness will improve in the next fews weeks so will see a big improvement
McNabb = 6..first game at county so its a right step up and it showed a bit. never got tight to marty murry but kicked a lovely score himself. wouldnt be to hard on a young player just yet, game at this level will have done him no harm
Justin McMahon = 7...steady, the usual from McMahon, silky on the ball, didnt over exert but looks quality
Sean red Oneill = 7 good player, good passing, good ball carrier, solid stuff
Mickey Murphy = 8 kicked a point or 2, very strong got, if can keep injury free will be a good asset
Cassidy = 8 took three marks from kick outs, good use of the ball, good ball carrier.
McKenna = 7, kicked a good score, didnt look out of place, came into it more as game went on, slow start
B McGuigan = 11, superb performace, kicked 4/5 points, set up numerous others, got up and down the field, won break ball, use of the ball was top drawer, dont think he made a mistake. He was always on the ball as well, class stuff.
K Coney = 9 some lovely scores, looked in the mood, lovely lazy looking left peg on him, the boy has a bit of quality about him. rated highly in ardboe and if perform like this for tyrone on a regular basis he will have a lot more fans from outside ardboe
M Donnelly = 6 done ok, was out in front most of the time but didnt offer a massive threat scoring wise. used the ball well
S Oneill = 8 didnt touch leather for 20 minutes, first touch was a point, 2nd touch was another point. Good second half, few more scores out of him, pushing boys off the ball, what more can one say about SON
E McCusker = 8 very good, won ball, strong kicked 3 or 4 points, very good outing
Subs
E McGinely = not on long enough to be rated
Hub Hughes = 7 kicked nice score off the LEFT peg
McElholm = 7 replaced mckeown first half, didnt have much to do, what a size of a man!!
cant mind the other 2 subs who came on ???
generous rating for mcelhom thought he got skinned when he came on, looks off the pace at that level
Very generous rating for the midfield who really should have lorded it a whole lot more against very mediocre opposition and very sore on McNabb who I thought was the best defender after Justy. To say that Mark Donnelly offered very little scoring threat as a negative implies that you haven't seen much of him before today - that's not the type of game he plays. He wins primary ball and links the play in the forward line for Carmen and was very effective in doing that today. McCusker looked particularly impressive today as well along with a whole lot of guys but you can't read anything into it given how shite the Ranch were. It was to be considered as well, St Mary's ran Tyrone to a point last year and have since lost established county players like Justy, Sean O'Neill, Barry McGoldrick and they had McElholm last year too - all very big losses to a side with a very limited pick. If the rumours are true, Marty Clarke and Dyas should make them a whole different kettle of fish next year. Anyway, providing Tyrone can beat either one of Cavan or Donegal then that 26 points should see a semi final place and another chance for Harte to look at those lads today in a more competitive environment
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did not make the game today. Any of the Fermanagh men impress??
Was on the blower to Ferm Pundit earlier to get the low down. He'll prob be on later to give a full account. Fermanagh were poor as well by all accounts. James Sherry played well and Matthew Keena was the best player apparantly. By the sounds of his nine pound entry was not rewarded with value for money!
Very quiet in Enniskillen today. The match was like a challenge game with so many new faces on show. Fermanagh will be happy to get a winning start to the season. As Caid has said, I was impressed with James Sherry in midfield. He got through a lot of work and he also hit one or two frees. Matthew Keenan was the stand out forward. He hit some great points but he did miss one or two frees at the end. Carson improved in the second half but he didn't win a ball when Clerkin was marking him at full back.
With regards the sending off, I felt the referee got it wrong. It looked bad, but I don't believe there was any real intent from Clerkin.
Monaghan were awful today, but with so many new players, I suppose it wasn't a big surprise. Maybe it's just me but there appeared to be a very small support from Monaghan. Usually they turn out in large numbers for every game.
I suspect Malachy will make quite a few changes for the UUJ game on Wednesday. I would like to see guys like Ciaran O Flaherty and Daniel Ward get a game to see what they're like at this level.
Antrim bounce back to beat Derry in McKenna Cup opener
17 January 2010
Goals from Michael McCann, Michael Magill and substitute Ciaran Close saw Antrim record a a 3-7 to 0-15 victory over the Derry in Sunday's Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup Group C clash at Casement Park.
Midway through the opening half there were few in the good sized Casement Park crowd who would have fancied the Saffrons chances of victory as they trailed the visitors by 0-8 to 0-2 after being outplayed in most areas of the field.
However Antrim under manager 'Baker' Bradley are a different kettle of fish and they began to find a bit of pattern to their play to slowly claw their way back into the match. They still trailed by six points with just five minutes of first half play remaining but goals by Michael McCann in the thirty-second minute and Michael Magill in the thirty-sixth saw them go in at half-time on level terms at 2-4 to 0-10.
The Saffrons made a great start to the second half with three quick points from Dara Edwards, Paddy Cunningham and Eoin O'Neill to move three points clear. Derry did come back and drew level midway through the second-half but a goal from substitute Ciaran Close, after the Derry keeper had saved Michael Magill's initial shot, gave the initiative back to Antrim.
Derry fought hard to salvage at least a draw and points by Raymond Wilkinson and Eoin Bradley (son of Antrim manger Liam Bradley) saw them close the gap to the minimum.
Michael McCann was off target with a free which would have given Antrim a cushion and in the final kick of the game the Antrim fans had their hearts in their mouths as Derry had a chance to level matters from a narrow angled free, which to the relief of all in Saffron dropped just wide of the target.
A good start for Antrim, who like Derry fielded a largely experimental team. The first twenty minutes were poor to say the least but they worked hard to get themselves back into the game and will go to Newry on Wednesday night to face Down with a bit more confidence.
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=2113
The Barretts Sports Lighting Dr Mc Kenna Cup has been well and truly endorsed by the Down faithful who turned out in their thousands to watch the boys in red and black open the campaign with a convincing win on a score line of 1.17 to 0.8. The result will undoubtedly please the new Management Team led by James Mc Cartan.
The new look Down line up meant business from the first whistle and were relentless in seeking a win from their first Dr Mc Kenna Cup game. Ambrose Rodgers captained the team and played a starring role at midfield, constantly displaying his ability to both command the air and cause damage on the turf.
Although QUB were beaten convincingly in the end they did cause Down some problems throughout the game. The most encouraging aspect for Down fans, however, was that arguably Queens best player was Bryansford man Joe Ireland, who was impressive throughout.
Newer faces to the Senior set up, Sean Parr and Paul Greenan also performed well and gave a committed performance throughout.
Many fans will testify that they were there to see one man in particular...... Marty Clarke. He didn't disappoint those who were there to see the return, he sprayed passes about Páirc Esler like he'd never been away and took his penalty assuredly. Down fans will enjoy seeing Martin ply his trade in the coming year with the round ball as opposed to the oval.
We now look forward to Wednesday night when our Senior side will face last year's Ulster Finalists Antrim, again at Páirc Esler.
Come along on Wednesday night and enjoy the entertainment provided by our lads in a rejuvenated Dr Mc Kenna Cup.
Down Line Up for last nights game;
1. Declan Alder (Carryduff)
27. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
12. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks)
19. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)
25. James Colgan (An Riocht)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)
20. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)
10. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
11. Mark Poland (Longstone)
30. Stephen Kearney (Saval)
29. John Clarke (An Riocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
CHANGES TO THE MCKENNA CUP SQUAD DUE TO INJURY:
21. Kalum King (Bryansford) replaces Kevin Anderson
28. Conor Maginn (Bryansford) replaces Mark Doran
http://www.downgaa.net/
Tyrone power points
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/0/8Jr1YoE6RMo
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Antrim bounce back to beat Derry in McKenna Cup opener
17 January 2010
Goals from Michael McCann, Michael Magill and substitute Ciaran Close saw Antrim record a a 3-7 to 0-15 victory over the Derry in Sunday's Barrett Electrical Dr McKenna Cup Group C clash at Casement Park.
Midway through the opening half there were few in the good sized Casement Park crowd who would have fancied the Saffrons chances of victory as they trailed the visitors by 0-8 to 0-2 after being outplayed in most areas of the field.
However Antrim under manager 'Baker' Bradley are a different kettle of fish and they began to find a bit of pattern to their play to slowly claw their way back into the match. They still trailed by six points with just five minutes of first half play remaining but goals by Michael McCann in the thirty-second minute and Michael Magill in the thirty-sixth saw them go in at half-time on level terms at 2-4 to 0-10.
The Saffrons made a great start to the second half with three quick points from Dara Edwards, Paddy Cunningham and Eoin O'Neill to move three points clear. Derry did come back and drew level midway through the second-half but a goal from substitute Ciaran Close, after the Derry keeper had saved Michael Magill's initial shot, gave the initiative back to Antrim.
Derry fought hard to salvage at least a draw and points by Raymond Wilkinson and Eoin Bradley (son of Antrim manger Liam Bradley) saw them close the gap to the minimum.
Michael McCann was off target with a free which would have given Antrim a cushion and in the final kick of the game the Antrim fans had their hearts in their mouths as Derry had a chance to level matters from a narrow angled free, which to the relief of all in Saffron dropped just wide of the target.
A good start for Antrim, who like Derry fielded a largely experimental team. The first twenty minutes were poor to say the least but they worked hard to get themselves back into the game and will go to Newry on Wednesday night to face Down with a bit more confidence.
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=2113
Antrim were never 2-8 behind. Nor anywhere near it. Who writes the Antrimgaa reports?
Felt a bit ill halfway though that but liked - Last year was memorable and did a lot for Antrim football but this is another year and so it has to be done all over again;
Some Derry players and supporters must be acutely sensitive to the fact that they as a County, have just been whipped by a team managed by one of their own
3-7 to 0-15 in a mid january cup game is a 'whipping' for us as a county then...
[if this proves to be is a lie from me, it was one to me]
what's this, a dyslexic rap?
I didn't know Liam had 3 sons playing either.
what did yous think of the new rules in action
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I didn't know Liam had 3 sons playing either.
Maybe Patsy should take a paternity test?
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what did yous think of the new rules in action
Yeah what way did the mark work out?? I'm hoping to get to see it in action but in theory I think it's a great idea and would definitely suit us with boys like Doherty and Patsy Bradley around!
can only judge by the tyrone game, there werent too many marks to be honest.might have been 20mins in before anyone claimed one.
dont like this new hand pass rulle, ref blew boys up 3/4 times for the eact same type of hand pass as he let go half a dozen other times. IMO will just lead to more confusion and referee errors.ter was nothing wrong with the handpass as it stood
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can only judge by the tyrone game, there werent too many marks to be honest.might have been 20mins in before anyone claimed one.
dont like this new hand pass rulle, ref blew boys up 3/4 times for the eact same type of hand pass as he let go half a dozen other times. IMO will just lead to more confusion and referee errors.ter was nothing wrong with the handpass as it stood
Exactly the same in the Armagh match, only two or three marks so no huge effect but the handpass rule is going to be trouble. Very frustrating for spectators to watch your team moving the ball towards goal and getting blown up for this silly change. When things get competitive in the league there'll be war!!! As long as there is a clear striking action let the thing go!!
Don't think the new rules had any bearing on the game in Enniskillen.
The referee didn't blow for any hand pass fouls that I can recall but he did allow Mattie Keenan to rehit a 21 yard free (which he hit wide) towards the end after a Monaghan player clapped as he ran up to hit it. Is that even a rule? Don't think I ever seen that before.
In true Fermanagh style he then hit the rehit wide, with about 1,00 people in the stand then also jeering and cackling as he ran up to hit it.
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what did yous think of the new rules in action
Yeah what way did the mark work out?? I'm hoping to get to see it in action but in theory I think it's a great idea and would definitely suit us with boys like Doherty and Patsy Bradley around!
Mickey Harte on "The Mark" about one minute in. Looks like there's only one Mark Mickey's fond of ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rv_uAsar4A&feature=player_embedded
Since the university teams came in, are there any other counties other than Tyrone who still haven't been beaten by one of them?
Sorry Aaron Jordanstown beat Tyrone by 3 points in Omagh Jan 2008
Where is the Armagh v Fermanagh game being played.?
Predictions in Bold:
Wednesday 20 January - 7pm
Group A
Monaghan v Armagh (Inniskeen)
Fermanagh v UUJ (Brewster Park)
Group B
Cavan v St Mary's (Breffni Park)
Donegal v Tyrone (Ballybofey)
Group C
Down v Antrim (Pairc Esler)
Derry v Queen's (Celtic Park)
Cavan would have to be really bad for St Mary's to beat them.
Odds for tonights games:
Monaghan 11/10 Armagh 5/6
Fermanagh 4/5 UUJ 6/5
Cavan 2/5 St Marys 9/4
Donegal 13/8 Tyrone 2/7
Down 1/3 Antrim 5/2
Derry 4/11 QUB 5/2
(courtesy of fallen comrade Our Nail Loney)
Lads Aertel http://www.rte.ie/aertel/211-01.html has the games down for 7:30 yet Atticus has them at 7. Anyone able to clear this up?
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Lads Aertel http://www.rte.ie/aertel/211-01.html has the games down for 7:30 yet Atticus has them at 7. Anyone able to clear this up?
Its 7.30 everywhere I've seen. The only place I've seen 7.00 is in that lad's post.
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures/
Shit. Just found this, which has the games at 7.00.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8449359.stm
Quote from: AFS on January 20, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Shit. Just found this, which has the games at 7.00.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8449359.stm
Got a text earlier saying 8pm!
I'm inclined to think its 7 30.
Aye, its a nightmare. Don't want to head over the road to find out I've missed the first half, but don't want to arrive early and have to spend an extra half hour in that shitty weather. Think I'll aim for quarter past.
Confusion rains! ;)
Monaghan v Armagh 7.30 Inniskeen
thats for sure
Jeez, looks like I've caused a bit of a stir. I'm going to ring the ground. I'm thinking 7:30
Sorry lads, any words of games on the radio? Derry or Downs in particular?
Armagh team tonight:
1. Philip McEvoy
2. Andy Mallon
3. Kieran Toner
4. Darnell Parkinson
5. Aaron Kernan
6. Paul Magee
7. Paul Duffy
8. Malachy Mackin
9. Ronan Austin (Brendan Donaghy, HT)
10. Charlie Vernon
11. Colm Watters (Jason O'Neill, HT)
12. Kevin Dyas (Michael McNamee, HT)
13. Ryan Henderson (Ronan Clarke, 40)
14. Stephen McDonnell (Brian McCone, 55)
15. Brian Mallon
Despite the final score we were poor until the last 20 minutes.
Toner was really superb at FB and will hopefully stay there. Duffy, Mallon and Kernan also looked very good in the backline. Aaron got a great goal in the first half. Parkinson was alright when moved off Hanratty, deserves more game time. Wasn't overly impressed by Magee.
Midfield struggled. Mackin did some good things but a lot of bad things as well, Austin was fairly anonymous in the first half, and Donaghy looked very out of place in the middle.
Starting HF line was poor enough. Not much could be expected of Dyas straight away I suppose, Watters was very poor, and for every good thing Vernon did he also did one bad thing. McNamee was very good when he came on, would like to see more of him, smart player.
FF line was better. Thought McDonnell looked very sharp, Henderson showed well at times but needs to do more to break into the championship team, and Brian Mallon was busy. A few glimpses of the Clarke and McDonnell partnership of old for about 10 minutes tonight, I've a feeling it could be a big year from those two.
It must be stressed that Monaghan had a very poor team out, so a five point win was the least to be expected.
Was at the match in Inniskeen (after eventually finding it)
Improved performance from Armagh - they showed great energy and movement
Some set up at Inniskeen - fair play to them
Large crowd at the match - decent armagh support
Armagh led 1-5 to 0-6 at halftime - A Kernan with a sublime goal finish in the first half
Thought K Toner at Full Back had a great match
Armagh turned the screw in the 2nd half - but in fairness to Monaghan they had a few players missing
Stevie got the second goal - delightful through ball from Mickey McNamee
Clarkie came on on the second half also
It ended up Armagh 2-13 Monaghan 1-11
Per me the Armagh scorers (seven different scorers)
Stevie Mc 1-04
Aaron K 1-03
Mal Mackin 0-02
Mickey McNamee 0-01
Ronan Clarke 0-01
James O'Neill 0-01
Charlie Vernon 0-01
Dreadful result for Cavan v St Mary's - Tyrone bate them by 16 last Sunday.
No point saying Tom Carr out as who'd seriously want the job.
Sounds like Donegal v Tyrone was an absolut clinker!! Anyone at it??
Anyway here's from the BBC:
Donegal draw with Tyrone in a Dr McKenna Cup thriller
Michael Murphy and Martin Penrose both produced scoring exhibitions as Donegal fought back to earn a 2-17 to 4-11 draw against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup.
Penrose hit three Tyrone goals in the first half as the Red Hands led 3-8 to 1-9 at half-time.
But Murphy's tally of 2-9 helped Donegal fight back to earn a draw.
In the other Group B game, Gareth Smith's penalty put Cavan 1-5 to 0-6 ahead at half-time but Darren Gibson's goal helped St Mary's win 1-12 to 1-8.
Gibson's goal came in second-half injury after Cavan had wilted.
Smith slotted his penalty in the fourth minute and the sides traded points during the remainder of the opening period.
However after scoring 1-4 in the first half, Smith was strangely substituted at the break.
His replacement Mark McKeever increased Cavan's lead to three but St Mary's dominated the remainder of the contest with Kevin Niblock finishing with a tally of 0-4.
Gibson's goal made the game safe for St Mary's.
At Ballybofey, Penrose fired in unstoppable goals in the fourth, 20th and 41st minutes to put Tyrone in the driving seat.
Murphy had fisted home an eighth-minute goal for Donegal, but it was the Red Hands who led by 3-8 to 1-9 at half-time.
Kyle Coney came off the bench to hot a fourth Tyrone goal but Murphy's brilliant second secured a draw for the home side.
Barrett Lighting McKenna Cup results
Group A
Monaghan 1-11 2-13 Armagh
Fermanagh 1-13 1-12 UUJ
Group B
Cavan 1-08 1-12 St Mary's
Donegal 2-17 4-11 Tyrone
Group C
Down 0-19 1-11 Antrim
Derry 4-16 1-07 Queen's
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Armagh team tonight:
1. Philip McEvoy
2. Andy Mallon
3. Kieran Toner
4. Darnell Parkinson
5. Aaron Kernan
6. Paul Magee
7. Paul Duffy
8. Malachy Mackin
9. Ronan Austin (Brendan Donaghy, HT)
10. Charlie Vernon
11. Colm Watters (Jason O'Neill, HT)
12. Kevin Dyas (Michael McNamee, HT)
13. Ryan Henderson (Ronan Clarke, 40)
14. Stephen McDonnell (Brian McCone, 55)
15. Brian Mallon
Despite the final score we were poor until the last 20 minutes.
Toner was really superb at FB and will hopefully stay there. Duffy, Mallon and Kernan also looked very good in the backline. Aaron got a great goal in the first half. Parkinson was alright when moved off Hanratty, deserves more game time. Wasn't overly impressed by Magee.
Midfield struggled. Mackin did some good things but a lot of bad things as well, Austin was fairly anonymous in the first half, and Donaghy looked very out of place in the middle.
Starting HF line was poor enough. Not much could be expected of Dyas straight away I suppose, Watters was very poor, and for every good thing Vernon did he also did one bad thing. McNamee was very good when he came on, would like to see more of him, smart player.
FF line was better. Thought McDonnell looked very sharp, Henderson showed well at times but needs to do more to break into the championship team, and Brian Mallon was busy. A few glimpses of the Clarke and McDonnell partnership of old for about 10 minutes tonight, I've a feeling it could be a big year from those two.
It must be stressed that Monaghan had a very poor team out, so a five point win was the least to be expected.
Is that Paul Magee Sarsfields?
Must say I was quite encouraged by Armagh tonight. McDonnell was very good, looked very eager, out in front every time and took his goal well as well as a few lovely points from play. Aaron Kernan was excellent coming forward and shoul surely be tried in the half forwards in the League. Thought McNamee did well when he came on - both the goals were as a result of great moves.
In defence, Toner looked good in the full back position most of us have been suggesting for the past year or so and Andy Mallon gave his usual excellent performance. One of the debutants in particular struggled but I wouldn't want to be too harsh on somebody's first appearance in the jersey.
Overall, a good performance and if we beat Fermanagh on Sunday we've every chance of qualifying given tonight's result.
Any mathematicians with the semi permutations?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 20, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
Any mathematicians with the semi permutations?
Not sure of the exact permutations but it looks like the best 2nd placed team making the semi-finals will be from Group B.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - Stevie Mac's goal at Iniskeen. Commentator sounds a bit like Sidebottom..
Quote from: Any craic on January 21, 2010, 12:46:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - Stevie Mac's goal at Iniskeen. Commentator sounds a bit like Sidebottom..
This is why women should be banned from football matches.
Next games up on Saturday or Sunday
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Group A
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Monaghan V U.U.J Inniskeen 24/01/2010 14:00 Eamon McHugh Round 1
Armagh V Fermanagh Athletic Grounds Armagh 24/01/2010 14:00 Jim Galligan Round 1
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Group B
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Tyrone V Cavan Healy Park Omagh Tyrone 23/01/2010 19:00 Seamus McGonagle
Donegal V St. Marys MacCumhaill Park Ballybofey 23/01/2010 19:00 Stephen McNamee
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Group C
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Derry V Down Celtic Park Derry 24/01/2010 14:00 Shaun McLaughlin
Antrim V Queens University Casement Park Belfast Antrim 24/01/2010 14:00 Gavin Corrigan
2-9 from Murphy! :o ;D
Christ we're fucked if he ends up going to Australia!
Always nice to avoid defeat against Tyrone too, even if, from the score and the competition, it was basically a challenge match. Must've been a marvellous game!
Could someone let us in on who it was that made an attempt to defend him :-\
that's some scoring :o
Quote from: J70 on January 21, 2010, 02:29:43 AM
2-9 from Murphy! :o ;D
Christ we're fucked if he ends up going to Australia!
Always nice to avoid defeat against Tyrone too, even if, from the score and the competition, it was basically a challenge match. Must've been a marvellous game!
Some score all right. And from Penrose too. Not often you get that kinda scoring at this time of year. Wonder who got the other 8 points?
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 21, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
Could someone let us in on who it was that made an attempt to defend him :-\
that's some scoring :o
think it was justy marking him, to be fair it not often anyone gets that kind of score off him!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 21, 2010, 12:10:38 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 20, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
Any mathematicians with the semi permutations?
Not sure of the exact permutations but it looks like the best 2nd placed team making the semi-finals will be from Group B.
Group Tables:
(And i apologise for any errors - maybe someone should double check these!
Group 1 P W L D P/D
Fermanagh 4 2 0 0 +5
Armagh 2 1 1 0 +4
UUJ 2 1 1 0 0
Monaghan 0 0 2 0 -9
Group 2
Tyrone 3 1 0 1 +16
Donegal 3 1 0 1 +2
St Marys 2 1 0 0 -15
Cavan 0 0 2 0 -3
Group 3
Down 4 2 0 0 +17
Derry 2 1 1 0 +17
Antrim 2 1 1 0 -4
Queens 0 0 2 0 -30
Based on that -
Group A - Armagh Fermangh winners - predicting Fermangh
Group B - Tyrone
Group C - Down Derry winner - predicting Down
Best Runner Up - Most likely Donegal, unless Derry and Down ends in a draw.
Semi's
Fermangh vs Tyrone
Down vs Donegal
Final:
Tyrone vs Down
Didn't see the first half of last nights game, but Down were leading 0-13 to 0-04 at half time. Wee James rang the changes last night with only 3 of Saturdays team starting last night. Antrim were much the better team for long periods of the second half, but by then the damage had been done, though Down will be disappointed to have conceded a goal. Final score 0-19 - 1-11.
Down team: McVeigh, Lennon, McKernan, Cole, Hughes, Colgan, Cunningham, King, Fitzpatrick, M Clarke, McGinn, McGovern, Carr, Coulter, Laverty.
Subs Poland for McGovern, McComiskey for Carr, Rodgers for King, Duffin for Coulter and Clarke for Coulter.
Scorers Hughes 0-2, Fitzpatrick 0-3, M Clarke 0-4 2f 1 45, McGovern 0-1, Coulter 0-3, Laverty 0-4. McComiskey 0-2.
Next up Derry in Celtic Park on Sunday.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 21, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 21, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
Could someone let us in on who it was that made an attempt to defend him :-\
that's some scoring :o
think it was justy marking him, to be fair it not often anyone gets that kind of score off him!
i think your being harsh on justy now about last night. What is a man to do to stop a player kicking a free kick over the bar? All murphys points were from dead ball situations. From all accounts i've heard, justy did well on him in open play.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/Dua5rdF_TTE (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/Dua5rdF_TTE) - Clarke and Stevie Mac did some damage last night, in just ten minutes.
Quote from: Shadylimp on January 21, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 21, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 21, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
Could someone let us in on who it was that made an attempt to defend him :-\
that's some scoring :o
think it was justy marking him, to be fair it not often anyone gets that kind of score off him!
i think your being harsh on justy now about last night. What is a man to do to stop a player kicking a free kick over the bar? All murphys points were from dead ball situations. From all accounts i've heard, justy did well on him in open play.
8 of Murphy's points were from dead balls, but his second goal was sheer class. In fairness, Justy wasn't at the races last night, I still think he's more valuable out the field.
What did Murphy score from play?
Well if you read up the page a bit and the previous page you will see he scored 2-9. So if he scored 8 frees, that leaves him scoring?
I hate people that say "oh but 8 of them were from dead balls" zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........they could have been from huge distances...bad angles...wrong side of field for him...wet...cold...windy...last minute kicks.... they still have to be scored and maybe he was fouled for 5 of them????? how can he score from play when he gets fouled everytime.....
Quote from: bigfrank on January 21, 2010, 12:34:09 PM
I hate people that say "oh but 8 of them were from dead balls" zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........they could have been from huge distances...bad angles...wrong side of field for him...wet...cold...windy...last minute kicks.... they still have to be scored and maybe he was fouled for 5 of them????? how can he score from play when he gets fouled everytime.....
Good man Frank! 2 of them were 45's AFAIK.
Quote from: RMDrive on January 21, 2010, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 21, 2010, 12:34:09 PM
I hate people that say "oh but 8 of them were from dead balls" zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........they could have been from huge distances...bad angles...wrong side of field for him...wet...cold...windy...last minute kicks.... they still have to be scored and maybe he was fouled for 5 of them????? how can he score from play when he gets fouled everytime.....
Good man Frank! 2 of them were 45's AFAIK.
Many kickable frees did he win for himself?? Fair play to him, a savage player, look forward to seeing more of him.
QuoteI hate people that say "oh but 8 of them were from dead balls" zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........they could have been from huge distances...bad angles...wrong side of field for him...wet...cold...windy...last minute kicks.... they still have to be scored and maybe he was fouled for 5 of them?? how can he score from play when he gets fouled everytime.....
Very true, but maybe someone else was fouled for 5 of them. They still needs scored but there is a big difference in 2-9 from play and 2-9 from frees. Puts things in context.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2010, 02:28:26 PM
QuoteI hate people that say "oh but 8 of them were from dead balls" zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........they could have been from huge distances...bad angles...wrong side of field for him...wet...cold...windy...last minute kicks.... they still have to be scored and maybe he was fouled for 5 of them?? how can he score from play when he gets fouled everytime.....
Very true, but maybe someone else was fouled for 5 of them. They still needs scored but there is a big difference in 2-9 from play and 2-9 from frees. Puts things in context.
penny pinching it is still some scoring from a class prospect. give him his just congradulations.
Quote from: tyrone86 on January 21, 2010, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: Shadylimp on January 21, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 21, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 21, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
Could someone let us in on who it was that made an attempt to defend him :-\
that's some scoring :o
think it was justy marking him, to be fair it not often anyone gets that kind of score off him!
i think your being harsh on justy now about last night. What is a man to do to stop a player kicking a free kick over the bar? All murphys points were from dead ball situations. From all accounts i've heard, justy did well on him in open play.
8 of Murphy's points were from dead balls, but his second goal was sheer class. In fairness, Justy wasn't at the races last night, I still think he's more valuable out the field.
since when did a free not count as a score, many a team have lost games because of missed free kicks if dublin had scored thier free that hit the post would armagh have won the all ireland that year, if wee peter had missed the 1 he ran 15 yrds in from were the foul was in the ai semi final v armagh ;D ;) would tyrone have won the ai that year, if fermanagh had a free taker they wouldve won an ulster i could go on all night it takes a lot of skill practice and most of all balls :P to be a good free taker and fair play to murphy for scoring 6 and 2 45s so i take it he didnt miss many. sheer class
Quote from: wats that 4 ref on January 21, 2010, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on January 21, 2010, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: Shadylimp on January 21, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 21, 2010, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 21, 2010, 05:21:14 AM
Could someone let us in on who it was that made an attempt to defend him :-\
that's some scoring :o
think it was justy marking him, to be fair it not often anyone gets that kind of score off him!
i think your being harsh on justy now about last night. What is a man to do to stop a player kicking a free kick over the bar? All murphys points were from dead ball situations. From all accounts i've heard, justy did well on him in open play.
8 of Murphy's points were from dead balls, but his second goal was sheer class. In fairness, Justy wasn't at the races last night, I still think he's more valuable out the field.
since when did a free not count as a score, many a team have lost games because of missed free kicks if dublin had scored thier free that hit the post would armagh have won the all ireland that year, if wee peter had missed the 1 he ran 15 yrds in from were the foul was in the ai semi final v armagh ;D ;) would tyrone have won the ai that year, if fermanagh had a free taker they wouldve won an ulster i could go on all night it takes a lot of skill practice and most of all balls :P to be a good free taker and fair play to murphy for scoring 6 and 2 45s so i take it he didnt miss many. sheer class
I think if you read what was wirtten no one was trying to take away from Murphy. They seemed to be just trying to defend Justy McMahon by pointing out that he has no way of stopping Muphys free's that he doesn't give away. Murphy was very good last night and is a top prospect. Hopefully he sticks at the gaa and isnt tempted by the AFL.
Quote from: wats that 4 ref on January 21, 2010, 09:29:41 PM
since when did a free not count as a score, many a team have lost games because of missed free kicks if dublin had scored thier free that hit the post would armagh have won the all ireland that year, if wee peter had missed the 1 he ran 15 yrds in from were the foul was in the ai semi final v armagh ;D ;) would tyrone have won the ai that year, if fermanagh had a free taker they wouldve won an ulster i could go on all night it takes a lot of skill practice and most of all balls :P to be a good free taker and fair play to murphy for scoring 6 and 2 45s so i take it he didnt miss many. sheer class
Canavan in the 95 final ;) Didn't win anything but he was mighty.
Just to point out that Lazer's table from yesterday refers to scoring difference when in fact scoring average (total scored divided by total conceded) is the criteria. The BBC is equally confused, as its website says that a narrow Derry win at Celtic Park on Sunday will put them through, with Down likely to qualify as best runners-up.
By my reckoning, which I'm sure someone can check, a narrow Derry win in a low-scoring game, say 0-10 to 0-09, will still leave Down ahead unless Antrim give Queen's a tanking. In those circumstances, three teams would finish level in group C on four points each.
However, the best runner-up is much more likely to come from group B, as the expected wins for Tyrone (v Cavan) and Donegal (v St Mary's) would leave both on five points.
Fortunately, as it's only the McKenna Cup, none of this matters very much anyway.
I dont mean to move away from the discussion of games but I hear they are planning an anti-sectarian sing song before McKenna cup games and players wearing wrist-bands. This is also happening at Irish League games too.
While the instances of sectarianism at GAA matches is minimal, I suppose a message of solidarity with the soccer lads sends a wider message beyond those attending. Or thats what is hoped I guess.
Of course things like the belfast cuchulainns are more effective I feel. Anyway, looking forward to another round of games. I have Down picked to win Ulster this year and I'm watching keenly.
Down Manager James Mc Cartan has named a Panel of 24 for Sundays final Dr Mc Kenna Cup Group Match v Derry in Celtic Park.
After two impressive wins against QUB and Antrim, Down will want to conclude their Group games with a win against Derry.
The lads will be well aware of the challenge that faces them as a trip to Celtic Park always proves to be a difficult encounter.
Down Panel (24) for Dr McKenna Cup Group Game vs Derry
Celtic Park
Sunday, 24 January 2010 at 2.00pm
Declan Alder
Brendan McVeigh
Daniel McCartan
Conor Garvey
Damien Rafferty
Kevin Duffin
James Colgan
Aidan Carr
Ambrose Rodgers
Kalum King
Ronan Murtagh
Mark Poland
Peter Fitzpatrick
John Clarke
Michael Magee
Conor Maginn
Kevin McKernan
Martin Cole
Sean Parr
Darren Cunningham
Paul Greenan
Paul McComiskey
Conor Laverty
Martin Clarke
Quote from: thejuice on January 22, 2010, 04:53:39 PM
I dont mean to move away from the discussion of games but I hear they are planning an anti-sectarian sing song before McKenna cup games and players wearing wrist-bands.
The song in question is going to be Michael Jackson's 'Man in the Mirror".
Could be a world record for the most people saying "What the f**k is that?" at the one time.
Are the games still on tonight the fog is quite bad in places
Tyrone game is on. Delayed by 30 mins due to fog. Ref just made decision to go ahead at 7:30.
Is the Tyrone game on radio?
Game just started at cold healy park. First point to tyrone.
5 min
Tyrone 0-1
Cavan 0-1
1min before HT. Donegal 0-06 St. Mary's 0-02.
Ooops. Wrong topic.
12min
Tyrone 0-1
Cavan 0-1
14min
Tyrone 0-2
Cavan 0-2
19 min
Tyrone 0-3
Cavan 0-2
23 min
Tyrone 0-4
Cavan 0-2
28 min
scoreboard says Tyrone 0-6
Cavan 0-3
Tyrone actually have 0-7
Quote from: ceol agus peil on January 23, 2010, 07:54:21 PM
23 min
Tyrone 0-4
Cavan 0-2
What team has Tyrone out? Who got the four points? Cavan surprising me being sticky enough so far..
32 min
Tyrone 1-7
Cavan 0-3
Ht
Tyrone 1-7
cavan 0-3
8 into 2nd half
Tyrone 1-09
Cavan 0-4
Donegal 1-13 St Marys 0-5
Looking like Donegal v Down (fecking divorce this year!) and Tyrone v Armagh, if other results go the predicted ways.
What way did the Cavan Tyrone game finish??
2-17 to 1-4 to tyrone according to bbc sport
so how many points do armagh have to beat fermanagh by to go through?
Mark Donnelly looker very sharp for Tyrone tonight and i thought Ronan McNabb was very impressive.
Cavan were awful and presented no challenge at all.
No bother to cavan rossa,any cavan player look useful at all?
Thought Red Sean and McKenna did well tonight. Half forward line took a while to get to grips but eventually produced some very good football.
Ref was bizzare throughout though............
Tyrone progress in Dr McKenna Cup
Tyrone 2-17 Cavan 1-4
Tyrone booked their place in the Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals as Group B winners following their resounding victory over Cavan.
The game started half an hour late, due to dense fog which threatened to prevent any action at Healy Park
But when the action did get going, Mickey Harte's men encountered little resistance from a Breffni side which has now failed to win any of its three games in the pre-season competition.
Cavan, looking to bounce back from a shock home defeat to St Mary's in midweek, started smartly, and took the lead in the 12th minute with points from Gareth Smith and Sean Brady.
But the home side gradually took control, and with Justin McMahon, Dermot Carlin and Ronan McNabb defending with discipline, they took the game to the Breffni men.
Niall McKenna and Eoin McCusker swung over a handful of neat scores, and Stephen O'Neill converted a free for a 0-6 to 0-2 lead by the 28th minute.
Martin Cahill scored Cavan's only point of the second quarter, and another Tyrone flourish saw them build up a comfortable eight points interval lead.
Mark Donnelly hammered home a 33rd minute goal after O'Neill had broken Sean O'Neill's delivery into his path, and he almost had a second, when his screamer smacked against the crossbar on its way over.
With a 1-8 to 0-3 lead at the break, Tyrone eased comfortably into the second half, and after Stephen O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly and mark Donnelly had stretched their lead with well taken points, they struck for a second goal in the 55th minute.
Again it was Carrickmore's mark Donnelly who applied a glorious finish to a sweeping move involving Kevin Hughes, Mickey Murphy and Peter Harte.
And they kept the momentum going with a couple of Eoin McCusker scores, before a rare lapse at the back allowed Alan Clarke in for a consolation goal.
That sparked another Tyrone flourish, and they hit the final four points of the game, with Mattie Donnelly chipping in with two immaculate efforts.
Tyrone: J Curran, D Carlin, Justin McMahon, PJ Quinn, Joe McMahon, C McElholm, R McNabb (0-1), M Murphy (0-2), K Hughes, N McKenna (0-2), P Harte, Mattie Donnelly (0-3, 1f), E McCusker (0-4), Stephen O'Neill (0-2, 2f), Mark Donnelly (2-2).
Subs: Sean O'Neill (0-1, 1f) for McElholm (17), M Swift for Quinn (17), C McGurk for Justin McMahon (55), K Coney for Stephen O'Neill (63), E mcGinley for Hughes (65)
Cavan: F Reilly, K Lynch, T Corr, E Smith, M Cahill (0-1), J McCutcheon, M McKeever, N Walsh, E McGuigan, N Maden, G Smith (0-2), A Clarke (1-0), D O'Dowd, S Brady (0-1, 1f), C Smith.
Subs: M Johnston for McGuigan (31), P Reilly for Johnston (41), J McCabe for Brady (47), J Jordan for Smith (53), J Cunningham for McCutcheon (64)
Yellow cards: Cavan: N Madden (20), M Cahill (38)
Referee: S McGonagle (Donegal).
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http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - how did they play in this?!
What are the semi final pairings ? Wednesday night for semis ?
Quote from: orangeman on January 23, 2010, 11:00:55 PM
What are the semi final pairings ? Wednesday night for semis ?
Have to wait for these:
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Group ATeam 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Monaghan V U.U.J Inniskeen 24/01/2010 14:00 Eamon McHugh Round 1
Armagh V Fermanagh Athletic Grounds Armagh 24/01/2010 14:00 Jim Galligan Round 1
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Group C
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Derry V Down Celtic Park Derry 24/01/2010 14:00 Shaun McLaughlin
Antrim V Queens University Casement Park Belfast Antrim 24/01/2010 14:00 Gavin Corrigan
Quote from: Any craic on January 23, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - how did they play in this?!
Cavan obviously didn't... :(
Tyrone goal 1
http://www.youtube.com/ulstergaa#p/a/u/0/2PmGhNg77Q8
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 23, 2010, 11:12:07 PM
Quote from: Any craic on January 23, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - how did they play in this?!
Cavan obviously didn't... :(
You mean how did they play in this?
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/CnIdF_WyViQ
Thought Justin McMahon redeemed himself very well tonight. Some frustrating fumbles but I'm glad Harte subbed the old hands and let the young boys get as much game time as possible.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2010, 10:13:59 PM
so how many points do armagh have to beat fermanagh by to go through?
One will be enough I think, provided UUJ don't hammer Monaghan.
Tyrone goal 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECy5QCoyvl8
Beer Baron,Sean Brady knocked over a couple of good frees and Conor Smith won a lot of ball and gave Dermot Carlin a hard time.Nicholas Walsh battled hard around the middle.
I know Cavan will improve greatly when they are at full strength but the guys on the park last night didn't seem to be up fot it at all.
Is the Armagh v Fermanagh game in Armagh or Cross today boys ?
Cheers rossa.
Quote from: Passing_Interest on January 24, 2010, 11:31:19 AM
Is the Armagh v Fermanagh game in Armagh or Cross today boys ?
in armagh
Down v Donegal and Tyrone v Fermanagh on Wednesday night.
Will they be neutral venues ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA (http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA) - first-half action from Derry v Down in Celtic Park this afternoon.
Armagh were dreadful today, reminded me of that annihilation by a second string Derry team in Lurgan two or three years ago. I'd usually try to give a more detailed analysis, but there's no point. It was just one of those games when it didn't really happen for anyone. The whole team looked like they'd be on a 10 mile run this morning or something. Fermanagh were fitter, hungrier and mentally sharper. McDonnell and Austin put in decent twenty minute cameos, and Mallon and Toner were alright in the FB line. Apart from that, not many positives. Nearly glad we didn't pull it out of the bag in the end, because Tyrone would've put twenty points on us playing like that.
Team was:
P Hearty
A Mallon
K Toner
P Duffy
S O'Neill (P Kernan, ~45)
B Donaghy
F Moriarty
C Vernon
J Lavery
J O'Neill (R Austin, ~50)
B Mallon
M Mackin
M McNamee (G Swift, ~45)
R Clarke
J Feeney (McDonnell, ~50)
R Henderson came on for about 5 minutes at the end but can't remember who he replaced.
Down set up a semi-final against Donegal in the Barrett McKenna Cup on Wednesday night by edging out Derry 1-15 to 1-13 at Celtic Park.
The Mournemen led 0-9 to 0-4 at half-time and Martin Clarke's goal helped extend their lead to 1-11 to 0-5.
But five unanswered points and a Seamus Bradley goal helped Derry draw level before two late Paul McComiskey points helped Down edge the verdict.
Antrim recovered from 0-9 to 0-4 down to beat Queen's 0-15 to 0-14.
Two points by Antrim man Justin Crozier and three James Kielt scores helped Queen's lead by five at half-time at Casement Park.
However, Paddy Cunningham's introduction helped spur a Saffron revival and he and Kevin Brady were on target as Antrim drew level at 0-9 to 0-9.
The sides traded points in the remaining stages with James Loughrey, Brendan Herron, Neil O'Connell and Owen O'Neill on target for the Saffrons.
Queen's second-half scores included Crozier, Mannus Hannick (0-2), Joe Ireland, James Kielt and Declan O'Hagan.
O'Connell notched the winning score for the Saffrons.
At Celtic Park, Derry led 0-2 to 0-1 early on but Down responded with five unanswered points and moved into a 0-9 to 0-4 lead by the interval.
Ronan Murtagh scored three first-half points for the Mournemen while Mark Poland (0-2), Paul McComiskey, Aidan Carr, John Clarke and Callum King were also on target.
Derry's first-half scores came from Seamus Bradley, Liam Hinphey, Raymond Wilkinson and Charlie Kielt.
Down's goal was struck to the net by Martin Clarke on 43 minutes as he slammed home the rebound after Martin Dunne had saved the former Aussie Rules star's penalty.
Another Clarke point extended Down's lead to 1-11 to 0-5 and the game seemed over.
But Derry responded with five straight points, including efforts from Fergal Doherty, Seamus Bradley and captain Gerard O'Kane.
Seamus Bradley's goal on 60 minutes cut Down's lead to 1-12 to 1-10 and scores from Fergal Doherty and Adie McLaughlin then helped Derry draw level at 1-13 to 1-13.
However, McComiskey's two late points enabled Down to edge the verdict.
Down topped Section C with a maximum six points ahead of Antrim (four), Derry (two) and Queen's (nil).
Quote from: AFS on January 24, 2010, 06:20:08 PM
Armagh were dreadful today, reminded me of that annihilation by a second string Derry team in Lurgan two or three years ago. I'd usually try to give a more detailed analysis, but there's no point. It was just one of those games when it didn’t really happen for anyone. The whole team looked like they'd be on a 10 mile run this morning or something. Fermanagh were fitter, hungrier and mentally sharper. McDonnell and Austin put in decent twenty minute cameos, and Mallon and Toner were alright in the FB line. Apart from that, not many positives. Nearly glad we didn't pull it out of the bag in the end, because Tyrone would've put twenty points on us playing like that.
Team was:
P Hearty
A Mallon
K Toner
P Duffy
S O'Neill (P Kernan, ~45)
B Donaghy
F Moriarty
C Vernon
J Lavery
J O'Neill (R Austin, ~50)
B Mallon
M Mackin
M McNamee (G Swift, ~45)
R Clarke
J Feeney (McDonnell, ~50)
R Henderson came on for about 5 minutes at the end but can't remember who he replaced.
I'm pretty sure Henderson came on for Brian Mallon
Not a bad assessment at all.
Full back line did ok, and was very happy to see Mal Mackin put in as good a performance as anyone.
Austin, P. Kernan and McDonnell all did well when they came on I thought.
I would add that I thought Hearty was awful, lost several high balls, asleep for the goal and a poor kickout gifted a point.
Half back line was very rough. as was the midfield Vernon and Lavery very poor.
Big Ronan Clarke was nowhere near fit, should have been swapped earlier.
McNamee, Feeny, Brian Mallon, J O'Neill non existant. Even holding a ball seemed beyond them.
Armagh had an awful period in the first half that got them behind, but still had numerous chances to win it at the end.
Any word on how Fintona's Aidan McCarron is got on with Fermanagh?
Think he came on as a late sub
Photos of Armagh v Fermanagh
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157623275428924/detail/
Pretty poor McKenna Cup from an Armagh perspective. Quite a number of players starting today who'd you'd expect to see in the championship which makes it a bit worrying. 2 poor performances and a win against a very makeshift Monaghan outfit. To be fair, I suppose we don't knwo what's going on in training at the minute and they mightn't be in peak playing condition at the minute depending on what sort of training is being done.
Disappointed to see no Dyas today, would have thought he needs the games. Not a lot to say about the match really. Poor all through the pitch. For someone who seems to get a lot of undeserved stick from Armagh fans, I thought Mal Mackin had a decent game today. O'Rourke's started him int he 3 matches so you'd think he features in his plans. None of the other fringe players who started did much to enhance their propects. Ronan Austin did very well when he came on. Couple of great marks.
Must say that while I like the mark as a concept, it definitely needs tweaked. It was very frustrating to see a player catch the ball and burst forward only to be pulled back for a free. The free kick has to be optional.
Will it be tomorrow before the semi venue's are announced? I'm guessing that the venue for the final won't be decided until Thursday. What's the most likely venue for Tyrone Fermanagh?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 24, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Will it be tomorrow before the semi venue's are announced? I'm guessing that the venue for the final won't be decided until Thursday. What's the most likely venue for Tyrone Fermanagh?
Armagh possibly? Probably would make most sense for them to toss for home advantage though.
Quote from: Zapatista on January 24, 2010, 07:00:27 PM
Any word on how Fintona's Aidan McCarron is got on with Fermanagh?
He came on for the last 10 mins. His work rate is very impressive but so far for Fermanagh he hasn't really been getting on the score sheet. I remember his MacRory cup day he used to run the legs off the St. Michael's defence on his own. It's early days, but he has made a positive start to his career with Fermanagh. If he had Rory Gallagher beside him in the full forward line, I think we would see the best from McCarron.
As TAM says a disappointing campaign with few postives. I hear the management team are still concerned about Dyas's hamstring and are going to try to take him in slowly.
Positives would be how sharp Stevie looks already but the worry is that we still rely so heavily on him in attack. Mackin,McNamee and Austin were impressive at times and deserve a run in the league and Kieran Toner should be played at FB in the league and along with Andy Mallon they make a great pairing in the FB line. Hearty is way behind McEvoy for the keeper spot.
Midfield went a bit better today that it did on Wednesday night, Lavery adds a bit of height in there but is a very limited footballer, he got two marks in the games he played but kicked the ball to an opponet from the resultant frees.
I think our best hope of unearthing a couple of forwards are from within the u21s and I hear they won't be played in the senior ranks until they go out of the u21 championship.
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
As TAM says a disappointing campaign with few postives. I hear the management team are still concerned about Dyas's hamstring and are going to try to take him in slowly.
Positives would be how sharp Stevie looks already but the worry is that we still rely so heavily on him in attack. Mackin,McNamee and Austin were impressive at times and deserve a run in the league and Kieran Toner should be played at FB in the league and along with Andy Mallon they make a great pairing in the FB line. Hearty is way behind McEvoy for the keeper spot.
Midfield went a bit better today that it did on Wednesday night, Lavery adds a bit of height in there but is a very limited footballer, he got two marks in the games he played but kicked the ball to an opponet from the resultant frees.
I think our best hope of unearthing a couple of forwards are from within the u21s and I hear they won't be played in the senior ranks until they go out of the u21 championship.
Jesus, could not get to the Monaghan match, but Midfield must have been really bad if today was an improvement!
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
As TAM says a disappointing campaign with few postives. I hear the management team are still concerned about Dyas's hamstring and are going to try to take him in slowly.
Positives would be how sharp Stevie looks already but the worry is that we still rely so heavily on him in attack. Mackin,McNamee and Austin were impressive at times and deserve a run in the league and Kieran Toner should be played at FB in the league and along with Andy Mallon they make a great pairing in the FB line. Hearty is way behind McEvoy for the keeper spot.
Midfield went a bit better today that it did on Wednesday night, Lavery adds a bit of height in there but is a very limited footballer, he got two marks in the games he played but kicked the ball to an opponet from the resultant frees.
I think our best hope of unearthing a couple of forwards are from within the u21s and I hear they won't be played in the senior ranks until they go out of the u21 championship.
Jesus, could not get to the Monaghan match, but Midfield must have been really bad if today was an improvement!
It was bad, very bad..........but at least they made use of the ball when they had it on Wednesday night. We got 3 or 4 marks today, ZERO on Wednesday night.............
Aigh think Austin must have got about 4 himself. Made a good impact
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
As TAM says a disappointing campaign with few postives. I hear the management team are still concerned about Dyas's hamstring and are going to try to take him in slowly.
Positives would be how sharp Stevie looks already but the worry is that we still rely so heavily on him in attack. Mackin,McNamee and Austin were impressive at times and deserve a run in the league and Kieran Toner should be played at FB in the league and along with Andy Mallon they make a great pairing in the FB line. Hearty is way behind McEvoy for the keeper spot.
Midfield went a bit better today that it did on Wednesday night, Lavery adds a bit of height in there but is a very limited footballer, he got two marks in the games he played but kicked the ball to an opponet from the resultant frees.
I think our best hope of unearthing a couple of forwards are from within the u21s and I hear they won't be played in the senior ranks until they go out of the u21 championship.
Jesus, could not get to the Monaghan match, but Midfield must have been really bad if today was an improvement!
It was bad, very bad..........but at least they made use of the ball when they had it on Wednesday night. We got 3 or 4 marks today, ZERO on Wednesday night.............
But Fermanagh's midfield was so weak today. Tommy McElroy is never a midfielder and Ryan Jones is just out of minor level. Armagh should have completely wiped Fermanagh out in this sector today, but they didn't.
Quote from: FermPundit on January 24, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
As TAM says a disappointing campaign with few postives. I hear the management team are still concerned about Dyas's hamstring and are going to try to take him in slowly.
Positives would be how sharp Stevie looks already but the worry is that we still rely so heavily on him in attack. Mackin,McNamee and Austin were impressive at times and deserve a run in the league and Kieran Toner should be played at FB in the league and along with Andy Mallon they make a great pairing in the FB line. Hearty is way behind McEvoy for the keeper spot.
Midfield went a bit better today that it did on Wednesday night, Lavery adds a bit of height in there but is a very limited footballer, he got two marks in the games he played but kicked the ball to an opponet from the resultant frees.
I think our best hope of unearthing a couple of forwards are from within the u21s and I hear they won't be played in the senior ranks until they go out of the u21 championship.
Jesus, could not get to the Monaghan match, but Midfield must have been really bad if today was an improvement!
It was bad, very bad..........but at least they made use of the ball when they had it on Wednesday night. We got 3 or 4 marks today, ZERO on Wednesday night.............
But Fermanagh's midfield was so weak today. Tommy McElroy is never a midfielder and Ryan Jones is just out of minor level. Armagh should have completely wiped Fermanagh out in this sector today, but they didn't.
Jesus, we're even worse than I thought then............
Thats what I thought too, there we were up against nothing in that sector.
I think Midfield has become a real problem for us now and I'm not just going on McKenna cup evidence.
Lavery so far has put in 30 good mins in an Armagh Jersey, Toner is lined up for full back, and Vernon has failed to silence all the critics. Who are our best two?
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 09:08:57 PM
Thats what I thought too, there we were up against nothing in that sector.
I think Midfield has become a real problem for us now and I'm not just going on McKenna cup evidence.
Lavery so far has put in 30 good mins in an Armagh Jersey, Toner is lined up for full back, and Vernon has failed to silence all the critics. Who are our best two?
Is midfield the best position for Charlie Vernon? Maybe he would be more effective in the half forward line. Where was David McKenna from Cross today? Is he involved in the county set up this season?
McKenna I think is back from injury, in the UUJ panel, think he played on Wednesday night in Enniskillen.
Would like to think he would available for the league
Vernon's strength would be an addition in the HF line, but not sure about his ability to take scores.
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 09:36:55 PM
McKenna I think is back from injury, in the UUJ panel, think he played on Wednesday night in Enniskillen.
Would like to think he would available for the league
Vernon's strength would be an addition in the HF line, but not sure about his ability to take scores.
Where were all the Crossmaglen men today?
Quote from: FermPundit on January 24, 2010, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 09:36:55 PM
McKenna I think is back from injury, in the UUJ panel, think he played on Wednesday night in Enniskillen.
Would like to think he would available for the league
Vernon's strength would be an addition in the HF line, but not sure about his ability to take scores.
Where were all the Crossmaglen men today?
Tony Kernan was injured against UUJ, not sure how badly.
Aaron was probably rested, think McKeown is recovering from injury and Clarke is in the UUJ panel.
Quote from: FermPundit on January 24, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on January 24, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 24, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
As TAM says a disappointing campaign with few postives. I hear the management team are still concerned about Dyas's hamstring and are going to try to take him in slowly.
Positives would be how sharp Stevie looks already but the worry is that we still rely so heavily on him in attack. Mackin,McNamee and Austin were impressive at times and deserve a run in the league and Kieran Toner should be played at FB in the league and along with Andy Mallon they make a great pairing in the FB line. Hearty is way behind McEvoy for the keeper spot.
Midfield went a bit better today that it did on Wednesday night, Lavery adds a bit of height in there but is a very limited footballer, he got two marks in the games he played but kicked the ball to an opponet from the resultant frees.
I think our best hope of unearthing a couple of forwards are from within the u21s and I hear they won't be played in the senior ranks until they go out of the u21 championship.
Jesus, could not get to the Monaghan match, but Midfield must have been really bad if today was an improvement!
It was bad, very bad..........but at least they made use of the ball when they had it on Wednesday night. We got 3 or 4 marks today, ZERO on Wednesday night.............
But Fermanagh's midfield was so weak today. Tommy McElroy is never a midfielder and Ryan Jones is just out of minor level. Armagh should have completely wiped Fermanagh out in this sector today, but they didn't.
No offence to a fantastic wing back and a great young prospect but if Armagh couldn't dominate midfield I really worry for them. They must really be underperforming.
I'm hearing Omagh for Fermanagh v tyrone which obviously means Tyrone won the toss, and Donegal-Down in Enniskillen.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA - Celtic Park action and interview with Aidan Carr on today and on facing Donegal.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 24, 2010, 07:31:59 PM
Pretty poor McKenna Cup from an Armagh perspective. Quite a number of players starting today who'd you'd expect to see in the championship which makes it a bit worrying. 2 poor performances and a win against a very makeshift Monaghan outfit. To be fair, I suppose we don't knwo what's going on in training at the minute and they mightn't be in peak playing condition at the minute depending on what sort of training is being done.
Disappointed to see no Dyas today, would have thought he needs the games. Not a lot to say about the match really. Poor all through the pitch. For someone who seems to get a lot of undeserved stick from Armagh fans, I thought Mal Mackin had a decent game today. O'Rourke's started him int he 3 matches so you'd think he features in his plans. None of the other fringe players who started did much to enhance their propects. Ronan Austin did very well when he came on. Couple of great marks.
Must say that while I like the mark as a concept, it definitely needs tweaked. It was very frustrating to see a player catch the ball and burst forward only to be pulled back for a free. The free kick has to be optional.
Can,t believe they aren't at peak fitness in January ::)
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 25, 2010, 12:32:28 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 24, 2010, 07:31:59 PM
Pretty poor McKenna Cup from an Armagh perspective. Quite a number of players starting today who'd you'd expect to see in the championship which makes it a bit worrying. 2 poor performances and a win against a very makeshift Monaghan outfit. To be fair, I suppose we don't knwo what's going on in training at the minute and they mightn't be in peak playing condition at the minute depending on what sort of training is being done.
Disappointed to see no Dyas today, would have thought he needs the games. Not a lot to say about the match really. Poor all through the pitch. For someone who seems to get a lot of undeserved stick from Armagh fans, I thought Mal Mackin had a decent game today. O'Rourke's started him int he 3 matches so you'd think he features in his plans. None of the other fringe players who started did much to enhance their propects. Ronan Austin did very well when he came on. Couple of great marks.
Must say that while I like the mark as a concept, it definitely needs tweaked. It was very frustrating to see a player catch the ball and burst forward only to be pulled back for a free. The free kick has to be optional.
Can,t believe they aren't at peak fitness in January ::)
Why do you think they should be in peak fitness in January?????
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 25, 2010, 12:32:28 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 24, 2010, 07:31:59 PM
Pretty poor McKenna Cup from an Armagh perspective. Quite a number of players starting today who'd you'd expect to see in the championship which makes it a bit worrying. 2 poor performances and a win against a very makeshift Monaghan outfit. To be fair, I suppose we don't knwo what's going on in training at the minute and they mightn't be in peak playing condition at the minute depending on what sort of training is being done.
Disappointed to see no Dyas today, would have thought he needs the games. Not a lot to say about the match really. Poor all through the pitch. For someone who seems to get a lot of undeserved stick from Armagh fans, I thought Mal Mackin had a decent game today. O'Rourke's started him int he 3 matches so you'd think he features in his plans. None of the other fringe players who started did much to enhance their propects. Ronan Austin did very well when he came on. Couple of great marks.
Must say that while I like the mark as a concept, it definitely needs tweaked. It was very frustrating to see a player catch the ball and burst forward only to be pulled back for a free. The free kick has to be optional.
Can,t believe they aren't at peak fitness in January ::)
Posted on wrong thread earlier, silly me. who do yous think will make it out of the newcomers/ retried players. NOT MAKIN IT ( o neill, not county standard, feeney- wing mirrors required, lavery- cant pass the ball to his own teammates,) POTENTIAL ( austin- 4 clean catches looks like a good prospect, o neill not a half back but worth another chance, mackin- great commitment and work-rate, mc namee if he releases the ball is worth another look)
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Donegal V Down Brewster Park Enniskillen Ferm 27/01/2010 19:30 Padraig Hughes Semi Final
Fermanagh V Tyrone Healy Park Omagh Tyrone 27/01/2010 19:30 Pat McEnaney Semi Final
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 25, 2010, 12:32:28 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 24, 2010, 07:31:59 PM
Pretty poor McKenna Cup from an Armagh perspective. Quite a number of players starting today who'd you'd expect to see in the championship which makes it a bit worrying. 2 poor performances and a win against a very makeshift Monaghan outfit. To be fair, I suppose we don't knwo what's going on in training at the minute and they mightn't be in peak playing condition at the minute depending on what sort of training is being done.
Disappointed to see no Dyas today, would have thought he needs the games. Not a lot to say about the match really. Poor all through the pitch. For someone who seems to get a lot of undeserved stick from Armagh fans, I thought Mal Mackin had a decent game today. O'Rourke's started him int he 3 matches so you'd think he features in his plans. None of the other fringe players who started did much to enhance their propects. Ronan Austin did very well when he came on. Couple of great marks.
Must say that while I like the mark as a concept, it definitely needs tweaked. It was very frustrating to see a player catch the ball and burst forward only to be pulled back for a free. The free kick has to be optional.
Can,t believe they aren't at peak fitness in January ::)
neither are the teams they are playing
Have to agree that Armagh were awful v Fermanagh, much like they were against UUJ. To me it looks like they have no real tactics or idea what they should be doing. That said they should and probably could have beaten both teams. I think if Armagh hadnt been trying to get a 2 point win against Fermanagh and consequently looking for goals the last ten minutes they would have at least drawn the game. The most worrying aspect for me though is the complete inability within the spine of the Armagh team to kick a footpass. Also I thought Malachy Mackin was awful on Sunday although im glad to see him in the panel. Hopefully the NFL will result in an improvement
Preview of the two semi-finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5-kR0lCHo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO5-kR0lCHo)
Not much mention of Fermanagh or Donegal! :D
Any bookies in belfast taking bets on the mckenna cup?
highlights for Armagh v Fermanagh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgqmw_HZLGA
Quote from: AFS on January 08, 2010, 12:16:44 PM
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That's scrubbed as the high road and low road lead to St Lomans in Mullingar now and not St Pauls of Béal Feirsde.
Might have to wait a wee bit to see who looks graceful in dejection and whose blood runs red in the heather.
That's a pity. Turns out I probably will be able to go on the board at 2-00 today.
Just wondering if tonight's game in Brewster Park is being covered by any radio station & if anyone has a link for the game it would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.
Tyrone 1/3
Down 1/1
Do they not look like certs???
5 min in omagh
ty 0-1
fer 0-1
I notice no dromore players are on tonight. Anyone know why?
Quote from: ceol agus peil on January 27, 2010, 07:39:11 PM
5 min in omagh
ty 0-1
fer 0-1
I notice no dromore players are on tonight. Anyone know why?
They're away on their holidays I believe
10 min
ty 0-1
fer 0-2
any radio links for the games??
15 min
ty 0-4
fer 0-2
Banty has just arrived at the venue
Tyrone 0-5 0-2 Fermanagh
Now 7-3, bigfrank it's on q101 if you've go to their site
20 min
ty 0-7
fer 0-3
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 27, 2010, 07:51:09 PM
Now 7-3, bigfrank it's on q101 if you've go to their site
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cant seem to get it to work.... :( usually always does...will try again
Anything from Donegal match
Quote from: bigfrank on January 27, 2010, 07:55:08 PM
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Now 7-3, bigfrank it's on q101 if you've go to their site
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cant seem to get it to work.... :( usually always does...will try again
Never works for me.
Quote from: ONeill on January 27, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on January 27, 2010, 07:55:08 PM
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cant seem to get it to work.... :( usually always does...will try again
Never works for me.
It won't work for me either
Cant get that to work guys , Any scores from the two matches ??
Five FM have the "country collection" on at the minute. If Armagh were playing we`d have to suffer that dose from Camlough talking nonsense. Anyone got any updates?
down 1-05 donegal 1-04 half time from enniskillen tyrone 0-13 fermanagh 0-05 half time omagh
6 points from Tommy McGuigan
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on January 27, 2010, 08:12:16 PM
down 1-05 donegal 1-04 half time from enniskillen tyrone 0-13 fermanagh 0-05 half time omagh
Where did you get the Down score from?
it was gave out on q101.2 at half time in tyrone game
What are the Half time scores ??
Cheers guys
tyrone 0.13 fermanagh 0.05 h/t
Is anyone able to listen to Q101.2 online?
Q012.9 plays OK but not 101.2?
Can anyone name the Tyrone team?
Down v Donegal sounds a close game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
Is anyone able to listen to Q101.2 online?
Q012.9 plays OK but not 101.2?
101.2 wont work. We`ll all have to listen to the country and wobbly on 5FM. Someone should text Sean og to get an update.
Charlie Landsborough has a new album out.
www.lmfm.ie has the meath v dublin game if you're badly stuck for some GAA commentary.
tyrone 0.17 fermanagh 0.07
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Quote from: fan01 on January 27, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Thanks
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
Can anyone name the Tyrone team?
No - but I can give you the Fermanagh (U-23) line up:
McGrath
Burns
Jones
O'Brien
Sherry
Mulrone
McElroy
Cosgrove
Jones
Kelly
M Keenan
O'Flaherty
D Keenan
Foy
McCarron
Donegal lead by 3 points. McHugh at his usual anti Down nonsense.
Donegal 1-12
Down 1-09
So who's getting all the points besides Tommy?
Where is Tommy playing?
Is Coney on?
We certainly seem to be putting up some huge scores so far this year, no matter what the opposition has been like.
When is the final?
Donegal 1-12
Down 1-10
Danny Hughes point.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: fan01 on January 27, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Thanks
Hilarious biased commentary ;D
tyrone 1.19 fermanagh 0.08 26 mins
Donegal 1-13
Down 1-10
Donegal 1-13
Down 1-11
John Clarke point
Martin Clarke point. One point in it in injury time.
Donegal 1-13
Down 1-12
Full time. Donegal win by a point
Donegal 1-13
Down 1-12
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 09:00:00 PM
Full time. Donegal win by a point
Donegal 1-13
Down 1-12
the Down bubble has burst!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2010, 08:49:38 PM
So who's getting all the points besides Tommy?
Where is Tommy playing?
Is Coney on?
We certainly seem to be putting up some huge scores so far this year, no matter what the opposition has been like.
When is the final?
now 1.20 to 1.08. F/T
tommy scored 1.06.
other scorers Penrose, Coney Stevie O'Neill, Cassidy.
Donegal 1.13 Down 1.12 F/T.
Final Saturday night @ Brewster Park.
Tyrone 1-20 Ferm 1-8.
McGuigan mustve scored about 1-7
Stevie 0-5 (I think)
Penrose 0-3.
Quote from: ONeill on January 27, 2010, 09:03:08 PM
Tyrone 1-20 Ferm 0-8.
McGuigan mustve scored about 1-7
Great stuff, he knows the young turks are on his tail.
Sounds like there will be some competition for places in that forward line this year.
How many of those scores were from Frees?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2010, 09:26:18 PM
Sounds like there will be some competition for places in that forward line this year.
How many of those scores were from Frees?
Think Tommy scored 1.04 from frees. Penrose had 0.03 (1 free) & Coney got 2 or 3 from play I think. Not sure
though.
From catching bits and pieces of the game on the wireless it seems that vast majority of scores were from open play fuzzman. According to paddy hunter an Noel mc Ginn, stevey and Justy were the only players who would have been certain starters from last summers team, so was a relatively experimental 15.
I realise it's early doors yet but the year is looking bright with the competition for places, would not like to be Mickey having to choose a dozen men from that squad!
Certainly not over surprised, and not overly disappointed. Reckon only about four of that fermanagh team will be in the reckoning in June, and not too many counties are blessed with the strength in depth tyrone have. Overall, has been a useful mckenna cup for Fermanagh
Tyrone team was:
Curran, Swift, Justy, McGurk, Joey, Gormley, Carlin, Cassidy and McGinley, Tommy, Pete Harte, Coney, Stevie, Penrose, Devlin
Subs: McKenna for Stevie, Teague for McGurk, O'Neill for Curran, Mattie Donnelly for McGinley, Mark Donnelly for Devlin
Any of ye got a list of the top scorers so far?
Are the main men so far Stevie, Coney & Tommy?
How would you say Peter Harte & McKenna have shown up so far.
I'd say the lads from last year will be sweating when it comes to the cut.
No wonder Mugsy is playing well for Cookstown.
Tyrone 1-20 1-8 Fermanagh
Tommy McGuigan gets away from Fermanagh's Barry Mulrone
Tommy McGuigan starred at Healy Park as Tyrone cruised through to the Barrett Sports Lighting McKenna Cup final.
Fermanagh held an early lead but Tyrone were soon in control and McGuigan hit six points to help the hosts to a 0-13 to 0-5 lead at the break.
McGuigan converted a penalty and Stephen O'Neill added four points while Fermanagh scored a late consolation goal through Damien Kelly.
The Red Hands will play Donegal in the Brewster Park decider on Saturday.
A Ryan Jones free put Fermanagh 0-2 to 0-1 in front after eight minutes.
That was the only time the Ernemen held the lead as Tyrone dominated the remainder of the game.
McGuigan netted from the spot after he was fouled while newcomer Peter Harte was among the Tyrone scorers.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2010, 11:00:05 PM
Any of ye got a list of the top scorers so far?
Are the main men so far Stevie, Coney & Tommy?How would you say Peter Harte & McKenna have shown up so far.
I'd say the lads from last year will be sweating when it comes to the cut.
No wonder Mugsy is playing well for Cookstown.
Marty's Penrose top of the charts as well.
Tyrone: J Curran, C McGurk, Justin McMahon, M Swift, Joe McMahon (0-1, '45), C Gormley, D Carlin, A Cassidy (0-1), E McGinley, K Coney (0-2), T McGuigan (1-6 (1-0 pen, 0-3f), P Harte (0-2), S O'Neill (0-5, 0-3f), M Penrose (0-3, 0-1f), G Devlin.
Subs: N McKenna for O'Neill (52), G Teague for McGurk (60), M O'Neill for Curran (62), Mattie Donnelly for Cassidy (64), Mark Donnelly for Devlin (66)
Fermanagh: J McGrath, M Jones, S Burns, M O'Brien, P Sherry, B Mulrone, T McElroy, P Cosgrove, R Jones (0-3, 0-3f), D Kelly (1-0), M Keenan (0-4, 0-1f), C Flaherty (0-1), D Keenan, R Foy, A McCarron.
Subs: S Lyons for Burns (h-t), C McElroy for Foy (h-t), J Conolly for McCarron (52), J Woods for Flaherty (52), S Goan for M Jones (62)
Yellow cards: C Gormley (17), A McCarron (45)
Fermanagh: M Keenan (26), A McCarron (40)
Referee: P McEnaney (Monaghan).
Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/sport/no-problems-for-tyrone-443753.html#ixzz0drBhF4Ip
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Yellow cards: C Gormley (17), A McCarron (45)
Fermanagh: M Keenan (26), A McCarron (40)
Did McCarron have a change of heart and tog out for Tyrone for the last 25 minutes?! ;)
They should have brought the final to the Athletic Grounds to remind Armagh folk what classy football looks like! ;D
Quote from: western exile on January 27, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: fan01 on January 27, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Thanks
Hilarious biased commentary ;D
Its a Donegal station broadcasting for a Donegal audience. Of course they're shouting for Donegal! They never claim otherwise. Doesn't mean they don't criticize the Donegal players or team. I see one or two comments about McHugh apparently disliking Down (normally its Tyrone lads I think do be complaining! I have to say though, I have never noticed him with any bias or grudge towards any opposition county on Highland - he normally holds Tyrone, at least, up as the example we should be aspiring towards). And he never holds back when Donegal are shite or due criticism!
Down v Donegal.
B McVeigh, S Toner, C, Garvey, M Cole, S Parr, B McArdle, K Duffin, P Fitzpatrick, C King, D Gordon (0-1), M Poland, R Murtagh (0-1), P McComiskey (1-4), J Clarke (0-3), R Sexton.
Subs. D Hughes (0-1) for J Clarke (26 mins, blood sub), A Rogers for P Fitzpatrick (45 mins), S Kearney for S Toner (45 mins), M Clarke (0-2 1 f) for M Poland (46mins), B Coulter for Sexton (49mins)
Tyrone looked a lot leaner and generally in better shape than Fermanagh last night. Are they that much ahead fitness wise or does the modern day jersey design now determine how fit a player looks?
It looks as if Mickey is going to stick with Justy at FB and the defence looks a lot more solid with Gormley at centre half. Stevie and Penrose are going to cause bother this year. Penrose makes some super runs and Stevie had it upstairs to find the space Penrose vacates.
The Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Final between Donegal and Tyrone will take place on Saturday 30th January at 7.00pm in Brewster Park, Enniskillen.
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how did mcgurk play - always thought he was a very steady club player
Quote from: J70 on January 28, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
Quote from: western exile on January 27, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: fan01 on January 27, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Thanks
Hilarious biased commentary ;D
Its a Donegal station broadcasting for a Donegal audience. Of course they're shouting for Donegal! They never claim otherwise. Doesn't mean they don't criticize the Donegal players or team. I see one or two comments about McHugh apparently disliking Down (normally its Tyrone lads I think do be complaining! I have to say though, I have never noticed him with any bias or grudge towards any opposition county on Highland - he normally holds Tyrone, at least, up as the example we should be aspiring towards). And he never holds back when Donegal are shite or due criticism!
I have to say I always feel he's very negative regarding the standard of play alot of the time ( Not just Tyrone for that matter) Just think he concentrates on the mistakes, poor performances etc more than any other pundit and can be very quick to run down the standard of play.
TG4 appear to be broadcasting live from 7.15 - does that mean they'll miss a bit if the match starts at 7?
It could be delayed start on TG4 Rois. I think they've done that befoe.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 28, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 28, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
Quote from: western exile on January 27, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: fan01 on January 27, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Thanks
Hilarious biased commentary ;D
Its a Donegal station broadcasting for a Donegal audience. Of course they're shouting for Donegal! They never claim otherwise. Doesn't mean they don't criticize the Donegal players or team. I see one or two comments about McHugh apparently disliking Down (normally its Tyrone lads I think do be complaining! I have to say though, I have never noticed him with any bias or grudge towards any opposition county on Highland - he normally holds Tyrone, at least, up as the example we should be aspiring towards). And he never holds back when Donegal are shite or due criticism!
I have to say I always feel he's very negative regarding the standard of play alot of the time ( Not just Tyrone for that matter) Just think he concentrates on the mistakes, poor performances etc more than any other pundit and can be very quick to run down the standard of play.
Yeah, he's the Ray Houghton of GAA commentary. All commentators like that annoy my head. You'd swear they never made a mistake when they played themselves.
As J70 said though, I've always found his criticism to be evenly distributed.
Quote from: goal and a point on January 28, 2010, 09:44:45 AM
how did mcgurk play - always thought he was a very steady club player
Never gave wylie a sniff of it and broke out of defence a few times. We haven't really seen enough of him to see who he is going to dislodge on the panel. Personally, I'd like to see how he'd do on Murphy or McFadden on Saturday night - he has all the right attributes for the job and he deserves a proper chance.
Quote from: Rois on January 28, 2010, 10:13:41 AM
TG4 appear to be broadcasting live from 7.15 - does that mean they'll miss a bit if the match starts at 7?
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 28, 2010, 10:16:07 AM
It could be delayed start on TG4 Rois. I think they've done that befoe.
From the Ulster Council Website:
Donegal Tyrone Brewster Park Enniskillen Ferm 30/01/2010
19:30 Jimmy McKee
McGurk had a good game last night,has been impressive any time i see him playing for Carrickmore.
Quote from: RMDrive on January 28, 2010, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 28, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 28, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
Quote from: western exile on January 27, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: fan01 on January 27, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
highland radio has the donegal v down game on. http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Thanks
Hilarious biased commentary ;D
Its a Donegal station broadcasting for a Donegal audience. Of course they're shouting for Donegal! They never claim otherwise. Doesn't mean they don't criticize the Donegal players or team. I see one or two comments about McHugh apparently disliking Down (normally its Tyrone lads I think do be complaining! I have to say though, I have never noticed him with any bias or grudge towards any opposition county on Highland - he normally holds Tyrone, at least, up as the example we should be aspiring towards). And he never holds back when Donegal are shite or due criticism!
I have to say I always feel he's very negative regarding the standard of play alot of the time ( Not just Tyrone for that matter) Just think he concentrates on the mistakes, poor performances etc more than any other pundit and can be very quick to run down the standard of play.
Yeah, he's the Ray Houghton of GAA commentary. All commentators like that annoy my head. You'd swear they never made a mistake when they played themselves.
As J70 said though, I've always found his criticism to be evenly distributed.
He gave Donegal fierce criticism last Sat night during the St Mary's game too and makes constant refererence to the 'Tyrone Way' in schools, underage structures etc.
Highland provide excellent coverage though of GAA at all levels, a bit of partisan commentary is a laugh.
You would think to hear McHugh last night that Donegal were winning All Irelands on a regular basis, while Down had only one measly title. ::) His comment that Down couldn't tackle a fish supper is wearing a bit thin now and was thread bare when he borrowed it from someone else. Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh he isn't.
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Quote from: goal and a point on January 28, 2010, 09:44:45 AM
how did mcgurk play - always thought he was a very steady club player
Never gave wylie a sniff of it and broke out of defence a few times. We haven't really seen enough of him to see who he is going to dislodge on the panel. Personally, I'd like to see how he'd do on Murphy or McFadden on Saturday night - he has all the right attributes for the job and he deserves a proper chance.
just a note mcgurk is still recovering from a knee injury as far as i know and the fitness would not be there as yet but when fully fit he is as good as whats there at the minute and didnt look out of place last night being only 50% fit.
Tyrone comfortably overcame a lacklusture Fermanagh last night with a threatening forward line showing great promise. The Fermanagh goal which ended the game left the score suggesting hammering rather than a 15 point slaughter.
Tyrone's forwards were active and fairly clinical with only one wide towards the end of the 1st half (correct me if i'm wrong). The half forward line of Coney, Tommy Mc Guigan and Peter Harte were impressive. Tommy getting MOTM was I suppose inevitable given his score tally, but I think certain players were arguably more impressive, although Tommy scored two really excellent points from play in the 1st half and made himself available for a good number of Curren's kick outs along the right flank.
Peter Harte and Coney look at ease in the senior set up, Harte converted a couple of good points and is excellent in making himself available for the ball. Coney showed great power and prowess, he can only get better playing alongside complete players such as SON.
Aiden Cassidy is now completely at ease in the senior set up, he was very impressive last night with high fielding and surging forward runs. Curren (with the new rules making all kick outs from the same spot) was able to find him in the middle almost without fail, and he made plenty of clean catches. Curren's kickouts were also notworthy for their accuracy. I was surprised to read The Herald today highlighting McGinley's performance. I actually thought he was below par and very average.
Justy was very solid at the back as usual, Swift I felt struggled a bit with his man in a night were there were so many great performances, being average wasn't enough. McGurk had little to do in the first half, but made himself available on occassion especially in the second half for upfield runs. He didn't look completely comfortable and is running out of time to fulfill his potential in a Tyrone shirt.
Carlin was like a rabid dog marking his man, showing great hunger for every ball and excelling in man marking. Gormley showed his usual feverent aggression in defending, earning himself a yellow card. Joey gave a good account, cleaning up split balls and almost playing a midfield sweeper role, he also converted a fine 1st half 45.
SON as usual was outstanding, tirelessly tearing the defense apart whether he had the ball or not. Penrose also played very well, making himself a taget for both high and low balls scoring 2 from play, one of which looked an impossible angle. He put in a massive effort which Gareth Devlin tried to replicate, but couldn't. His eagerness to impress didn't convert into a performance and with such an unbelievable standard of forwards, he was the only starting forward who didn't score.
With such competition for places and such high standard only Peter Harte and Coney look like the real deal IMO, but that is not to say a few more prospects won't slip into the senior set up for some of the driftwood.
Curren: 8.5
Mc Gurk: 6
Justy: 8
Swift: 6
Carlin: 7.5
Gormley: 7
Joe: 7
Cassidy: 9
Mc Ginley: 6.5
Coney: 8
Tommy: 8.5
P Harte: 8
Penrose: 8
SON: 8.5
Devlin: 6
Subs:
Niall Mc Kenna: 7
Gavin Teague: 6
O'Neill: 6
Both Donnelly's not on long enough to rate.
EDIT: Just thought I'd add, Tyrone hit the cross bar at least three times. This game could have been won by 20 points, but we'll not complain with 21 scores.
I see a Tyrone man played against them last night for Fermanagh, and another one will face them for Donegal on Saturday.
That's every game this year (Bar Cavan) that there has been a Tyrone man in the opposition line up!
Yeah strange that one alright Norf
Hope we dont have to use that tactic come Sept. Only messing lads. Dont tell me I'm too cocky.
Thanks for that report Sandwiches. A lot of these lads I dont know at all like McGurk so dependent of ye all for feedback.
I must say I'm excited about the new season & looking forward to attending the game up in Celtic park with a few of my inbred "Mates Sor"
I wonder will we see any keepy Uppies?
Some video from last night up.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/0/lJbzH8WCbww
Ulster GAA's been using Youtube well.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 28, 2010, 03:03:24 PM
Tyrone comfortably overcame a lacklusture Fermanagh last night with a threatening forward line showing great promise. The Fermanagh goal which ended the game left the score suggesting hammering rather than a 15 point slaughter.
Tyrone's forwards were active and fairly clinical with only one wide towards the end of the 1st half (correct me if i'm wrong). The half forward line of Coney, Tommy Mc Guigan and Peter Harte were impressive. Tommy getting MOTM was I suppose inevitable given his score tally, but I think certain players were arguably more impressive, although Tommy scored two really excellent points from play in the 1st half and made himself available for a good number of Curren's kick outs along the right flank.
Peter Harte and Coney look at ease in the senior set up, Harte converted a couple of good points and is excellent in making himself available for the ball. Coney showed great power and prowess, he can only get better playing alongside complete players such as SON.
Aiden Cassidy is now completely at ease in the senior set up, he was very impressive last night with high fielding and surging forward runs. Curren (with the new rules making all kick outs from the same spot) was able to find him in the middle almost without fail, and he made plenty of clean catches. Curren's kickouts were also notworthy for their accuracy. I was surprised to read The Herald today highlighting McGinley's performance. I actually thought he was below par and very average.
Justy was very solid at the back as usual, Swift I felt struggled a bit with his man in a night were there were so many great performances, being average wasn't enough. McGurk had little to do in the first half, but made himself available on occassion especially in the second half for upfield runs. He didn't look completely comfortable and is running out of time to fulfill his potential in a Tyrone shirt.
Carlin was like a rabid dog marking his man, showing great hunger for every ball and excelling in man marking. Gormley showed his usual feverent aggression in defending, earning himself a yellow card. Joey gave a good account, cleaning up split balls and almost playing a midfield sweeper role, he also converted a fine 1st half 45.
SON as usual was outstanding, tirelessly tearing the defense apart whether he had the ball or not. Penrose also played very well, making himself a taget for both high and low balls scoring 2 from play, one of which looked an impossible angle. He put in a massive effort which Gareth Devlin tried to replicate, but couldn't. His eagerness to impress didn't convert into a performance and with such an unbelievable standard of forwards, he was the only starting forward who didn't score.
With such competition for places and such high standard only Peter Harte and Coney look like the real deal IMO, but that is not to say a few more prospects won't slip into the senior set up for some of the driftwood.
Curren: 8.5
Mc Gurk: 6
Justy: 8
Swift: 6
Carlin: 7.5
Gormley: 7
Joe: 7
Cassidy: 9
Mc Ginley: 6.5
Coney: 8
Tommy: 8.5
P Harte: 8
Penrose: 8
SON: 8.5
Devlin: 6
Subs:
Niall Mc Kenna: 7
Gavin Teague: 6
O'Neill: 6
Both Donnelly's not on long enough to rate.
EDIT: Just thought I'd add, Tyrone hit the cross bar at least three times. This game could have been won by 20 points, but we'll not complain with 21 scores.
A good analysis, only a couple of things I'd take issue with. I'm not a fan of Johnny Curran and last night did nothing to convince me. While he can find men with shortish kick outs and is a decent shot stopper, he can't command he area and, in a trait he isn't alone in, doesn't inspire confidence under the high ball. While Cassidy did well, he certainly wasn't man of the match last night. He has established himself as a midfield option now though and could see some game time come the summer.
Mannies was very lucky he didn't get the line after clattering one of the Fermanagh defenders with an elbow off the ball. The linesman mustn't have had a clear view since he only got a yellow.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 28, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
Some video from last night up.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/0/lJbzH8WCbww
Ulster GAA's been using Youtube well.
There must be someone new on the job. They have an active Facebook page too!
Quote from: tyrone86 on January 28, 2010, 05:43:51 PM
A good analysis, only a couple of things I'd take issue with. I'm not a fan of Johnny Curran and last night did nothing to convince me. While he can find men with shortish kick outs and is a decent shot stopper, he can't command he area and, in a trait he isn't alone in, doesn't inspire confidence under the high ball. While Cassidy did well, he certainly wasn't man of the match last night. He has established himself as a midfield option now though and could see some game time come the summer.
Mannies was very lucky he didn't get the line after clattering one of the Fermanagh defenders with an elbow off the ball. The linesman mustn't have had a clear view since he only got a yellow.
I'd take your point about Curran's command of the box, however it's his accuaracy with both long and short kick outs that impress me. I seen him find Cassidy on many occassions with kickouts that landed in midfield and he also found Tommy McGuigan well on the right at least 3 times. His accuracy is an assest for Tyrone, alongside Cassidy finally suggesting an answer to Tyrone's weakness in midfield. Tyrone's roving half forwards were able to provide more options for Curran who generally supplied them well. I hope he gets the chance in the league.
If TMcG wasn't designated freetaker, or if SON wasn't off when the penalty was awarded I don't think it would have been as easy to pick a MOTM as there were so many equally impressive performances.
Sandwiches i think your blowing cassidy up a bit too much and also expecting too much of the lad. I thought he took too much out of the ball at times the other night and would only release it when he was in trouble. Yeah he has potential but he has a hell of a lot to learn. Nowhere near man of the match the last night.
Quote from: Shadylimp on January 29, 2010, 11:09:13 AM
Sandwiches i think your blowing cassidy up a bit too much and also expecting too much of the lad. I thought he took too much out of the ball at times the other night and would only release it when he was in trouble. Yeah he has potential but he has a hell of a lot to learn. Nowhere near man of the match the last night.
Yes, maybe he has a lot to learn, but looked very comfortable in the Tyrone set up compared with this time last year. I don't agree that he was nowhere near MOTM, he was much better than McGinley (who UH picked out as one of the best players on the night). IMO he was in there with about 5 or 6 others who put in potential MOTM performances.
Is the match defo on TG4 on Sat?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2010, 03:18:15 PM
Is the match defo on TG4 on Sat?
Quote
From www.tg4.ie
Saturday, 30.01.2010
19:15 GAA Beo
Live coverage of the McKenna Cup Football Final. Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary by Mac Dara Mac Donncha. This will be the chance to see the teams in action before the leagues start next weekend.
Throw in is 19.30 according to Ulster Council site.
i won two tickets to the mckenna cup final, if anyone wants them send me a pm.
I won 2 Tickets to the Mckenna cup final if anyone wants them send me a message
Love it the way, there is so much footage of football on youtube these days. To think, 2 or 3 years ago, the only GAA footage you could see on youtube were terrible fuzzy videos of fans mobile phones! Faiplay to the Ulster council for putting so much up on the web, and jerome quinn. And especially whoever this 'gaabeo' is! :)
Quote from: dundroma on January 29, 2010, 08:43:27 PM
I won 2 Tickets to the Mckenna cup final if anyone wants them send me a message
was going to enter the gl comp but missed deadline today
Don't be slagging off the Fuzzy videos lads.
I put a lot of work into those.
Delighted to see TG4 covering the game today. Really looking forward to getting a look at some of the new Tyrone lads. Things seem to be going along nicely with some very big scores being put up. Competition for places in the NL panel alone seem to be very high. Would be nice to see the three carmen lads play aswell :)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 30, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Delighted to see TG4 covering the game today. Really looking forward to getting a look at some of the new Tyrone lads. Things seem to be going along nicely with some very big scores being put up. Competition for places in the NL panel alone seem to be very high. Would be nice to see the three carmen lads play aswell :)
Would be nice to see the 3 Stateside, but I think we'll be looking at 2 at the most realistically. Think Donnelly could start in the corner tonight, can't see Devlin getting another start. Hope McGurk gets a another run out tonight marking someone who'll really test him.
Anyone any information on how the pitch is after last nights frost.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 28, 2010, 09:39:03 AM
The Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Final between Donegal and Tyrone will take place on Saturday 30th January at 7.00pm in Brewster Park, Enniskillen.
Ulster GAA @ Facebook
Is this match definitely starting at 7? I've seen conflicting reports...
sky shows it for 730 on the gaa beo tonight
Ulster council site says 7.30pm and i'm almost sure that was the time they said over the PA system after the match on Wednesday night.
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures/ (http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures/)
Heading down the road now shortly just in case.
Damn!
Its down for 7.30 on Paddy Power, thought may have been an opportunity to see half of it before picking the winner, but of course, too good to be true!
Both teams wearing black arm bands i take it for higgins who passed away this week
Stephen O Neill in the wars again!
He's fcuked now!!
just my luck, submitted my gaelic life team at 8.17pm...stevie top of the right....15 mins later i'm down to 14 men !!!!!
Who is the ambulance for?
Quote from: Minder on January 30, 2010, 08:37:53 PM
Who is the ambulance for?
just turned it in, what happened?
Seems like the arm. Hub run into him as he fell. Lad has no luck.
Looks like it could be a real nasty one for SON, worrying indeed.
Quote from: Abble on January 30, 2010, 08:37:11 PM
just my luck, submitted my gaelic life team at 8.17pm...stevie top of the right....15 mins later i'm down to 14 men !!!!!
Put in another team. We won't tell.
Is that season ending or just out for the NFL? :-[
Hughes cant shoot for shite
Quote from: tyroneman on January 30, 2010, 08:45:51 PM
Is that season ending or just out for the NFL? :-[
Could be a long enough one. At least 3 months I would guess :-\
seen the replay of o'neill breaking the arm earlier. not nice to see. looked like hughes ran into his arm as it was propping him up and it snapped in the wrong way. very unfortunate and hope he has a speedy recovery
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2010, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 30, 2010, 08:45:51 PM
Is that season ending or just out for the NFL? :-[
Could be a long enough one. At least 3 months I would guess :-\
a bit of magic sponge and he'll be fine FFS
How did Murphy not get a free to equalise there?!
Googled it there.
Three to Four Months.
Poor Stevie has no luck.
Just tuning in now - 10 minutes injury time???????
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 30, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
Just tuning in now - 10 minutes injury time???????
Long delay for injury to Stephen O'Neill. See above. Referee not having a great game.
Good intensity in the game. Lots of fouling - ref seem poor in the last few minutes.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on January 30, 2010, 08:50:34 PM
seen the replay of o'neill breaking the arm earlier. not nice to see. looked like hughes ran into his arm as it was propping him up and it snapped in the wrong way. very unfortunate and hope he has a speedy recovery
Looked bad alright. Hope SON has a speedy recovery.
On this form Donegal for an all Ireland run
Some goal from David Walsh at the death
1-11 to 0-13
First ever time for Donegal to capture back-to-back McKenna Cups.
Tyrone didnt look the same team after O'Neill went off but still looked set to win till the late goal. A lot of positives from this McKenna Cup but that injury is a real blow and will overshadow it a bit for Tyrone.
A lot off Tyrones fringe players showed tonight they have a bit to do yet to become serious county players against opposition. Easy hammering St Marys and Cavan the two worst teams in McKenna cup. Gormley looked very sluggish while Hub was woeful. Cassidy and Penrose tried hard.
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 30, 2010, 09:10:54 PM
First ever time for Donegal to capture back-to-back McKenna Cups.
John Joe has them peaking at the right time
Gaa bet beat already ;D
glad i won football bet today
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
Gaa bet beat already ;D
glad i won football bet today
Why the f**k do people bet on these matches ?
SON's injury broke up the momentum tyrone had at 0-11 to 0-7. however hughes had a glorious chance to put 5 in it soon after the restart but he kicked a very bad wide. it actually seemed harder to kick the wide. donegal then went down the field and got a point. curran's poor kickout for a donegal point also proved costly. thought brian mcguigan made no impact after coming on as a sub. need more leadership up front and there's obviously still a lot to work on - maybe not a bad thing heading into celtic park next week. anyway hope SON recovers soon.
Ah well. Last time we threw away a McKenna final we ended up ok :)
Sweet. Tyroneman rub it up you.
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 30, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
Good intensity in the game. Lots of fouling - ref seem poor in the last few minutes.
Do the two correlate Laoisgaa ;)
I missed most of it but anything I tuned into I couldn't see MIchael Murphy. Was he playing? He definitely started IIRC but he didn't seem to be on after long.
Absolutely gutted for Stevie doesn't deserve this happening.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 30, 2010, 09:54:27 PM
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 30, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
Good intensity in the game. Lots of fouling - ref seem poor in the last few minutes.
Do the two correlate Laoisgaa ;)
I missed most of it but anything I tuned into I couldn't see MIchael Murphy. Was he playing? He definitely started IIRC but he didn't seem to be on after long.
He played the whole game. He was quiet and wasn't on the ball a whole lot, partially due to the usual slowness of the Donegal attack (although he was back in the full back line at one point!). But that's ok... he'll be there when we need him in the summer!
Good enough game overall for the time of year, but some of the wides from both sides were awful! I thought it was very even all through, even when Tyrone went the four points up. They just happened to put a scoring run together while Donegal were hitting wides, which was then reversed later on.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
On this form Donegal for an all Ireland run
wise up.
I seriously doubt if he was being serious! :D
And in the unlikely event he was, we got relegated and lost to Antrim after winning the McKenna cup last year!
Quote from: hardstation on January 30, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
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Quote from: charlieTully on January 30, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
On this form Donegal for an all Ireland run
wise up.
I seriously doubt if he was being serious! :D
And in the unlikely event he was, we got relegated and lost to Antrim after winning the McKenna cup last year!
Milltown knows that. Sure he was your no.1 supporter last year.
You never let go of anything, do ya?
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 30, 2010, 09:07:23 PM
Some goal from David Walsh at the death
Even if it was played on the ground just before
Quote from: hardstation on January 30, 2010, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on January 30, 2010, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 30, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 30, 2010, 10:08:28 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 30, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
On this form Donegal for an all Ireland run
wise up.
I seriously doubt if he was being serious! :D
And in the unlikely event he was, we got relegated and lost to Antrim after winning the McKenna cup last year!
Milltown knows that. Sure he was your no.1 supporter last year.
You never let go of anything, do ya?
No, ye feckin tout.
:D
Jaysus that was a cold one tonight. Feet only thawed coming back through Seskinore.
Both teams were poor in the second half. Tyrone just seem to lose conviction and options when SON went down. I thought someone said collar bone on the radio? Penrose was excellent again, tireless, when he made a mistake he made sure he made up for it, easily MOTM. SON was being marked like it was the championship, plenty of rough house but he was still very good.
Johnny Curran had a bit of a shocker. His kick out selection wasn't good, then again don't think midfield gave him enough targets. Cassidy improved things when he came on, but don't think they made good use of him. Donegal bossed middle of the park generally from kick outs, and seemed to get the better of breaking ball.
Tyrone looked at their best on the break with Coney accepting and making some great long range kick passes in the first half finding Penrose and SON. Hub was a bit brutal, worked hard, but didn't have much to show for it. McGinley was fairly quiet again. Peter Harte did very well first half, but the whole team seemed to under perform in the second. Gormley for example would work really hard and win ball, then give an awful pass.
Marty Swift and Carlin I think put in good performances. Carlin has done enough to secure his place in the panel. Brian McGuigan brought something extra when he came on, but even he couldn't turn round the calmity of the second half. TMcG was fairly poor through out.
There were long long periods for both teams without scores in the 2nd, Tyrone's free scoring from the 4 games previous just seemed to seize in the frosty air and the slick on the ball seemed to go wayward all the time. McKee also was poor for both sides.
A challenging night for the new lads, with the inexperience of a few cases showing up, not one to remember for either teams, but hopefully Tyrone can take the positives from this sort of game going into the NL next week.
One of the most painful looking injuries I've seen at an intercounty GAA game. The arm broke in a similar fashion to the way Larsson's leg broke a few years ago. Good luck with the recovery Stevie.
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wise up.
I seriously doubt if he was being serious! :D
And in the unlikely event he was, we got relegated and lost to Antrim after winning the McKenna cup last year!
Milltown knows that. Sure he was your no.1 supporter last year.
You never let go of anything, do ya?
No, ye feckin tout.
;D ;D ;D
the way Tyrone played Antrim have a chance, SON is out so all good
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wise up.
I seriously doubt if he was being serious! :D
And in the unlikely event he was, we got relegated and lost to Antrim after winning the McKenna cup last year!
Milltown knows that. Sure he was your no.1 supporter last year.
You never let go of anything, do ya?
No, ye feckin tout.
;D ;D ;D
the way Tyrone played Antrim have a chance, SON is out so all good
Ah f**k, that's us bate. His 100th post too.
Pinned to the dressing room door.
No shock this year. Antrim will go into this game better prepared than the Ulster final.
Antrim by two
You kinda knew by the immediate frantic blowing of the whistle by McKee that it was at least a break. Jesus though, such bad luck for one of the most finished players the GAA's ever seen.
As for Antrim taking heart from Tyrone's loss... Never mind the 95 points from the 4 previous games, with a trial squad.
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You kinda knew by the immediate frantic blowing of the whistle by McKee that it was at least a break. Jesus though, such bad luck for one of the most finished players the GAA's ever seen.
As for Antrim taking heart from Tyrone's loss... Never mind the 95 points from the 4 previous games, with a trial squad.
You'd swear that noone else was working with a trial squad. ::)
Dislocation it says - 3 months
Last night's game was good preparation for the league,a good physical,hard hitting game.
I think Donegal just about deserved the win,showed more urgency and hunger for the ball in the last 15 minutes.Penrose was impressive again,he tracked back and created at least 3 or 4 turnovers,he also took a couple of good scores.
I think that our young lads will now know what to expect this season,last night's game was a step up in terms of intensity.
If Penrose was bigger every one of his tackles would be given as fouls. Not that they are, but gaelic being such thats its hard to determine what is and isnt, its always at the refs discretion.
For eg O'Neill last night was blown up for at least three tackles that looked perfectly fair to me.
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U are a complete slabber you know that,your happy to see a fella break his arm or get injured,how can anyone take pleasure in seeing someone get injured and spend all the time in rehab and running to hospital and physios while trying to gomto work etc,get a life milltown homo would you you spide
wise up.
I seriously doubt if he was being serious! :D
And in the unlikely event he was, we got relegated and lost to Antrim after winning the McKenna cup last year!
Milltown knows that. Sure he was your no.1 supporter last year.
You never let go of anything, do ya?
No, ye feckin tout.
;D ;D ;D
the way Tyrone played Antrim have a chance, SON is out so all good
Just as a matter of interest, how many of Donegals team last night played in last years championship?
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Just as a matter of interest, how many of Donegals team last night played in last years championship?
About nine or ten I think, including Neil Gallagher who was kicked off the panel after the Antrim game and Leo McCloone who featured a bit in the qualifiers. Six of that team last night played against Cork in the quarter final. Some of those new lads could start this year though - I thought Hanlon did well up front, particularly winning ball and losing his marker, although his finishing left a little to be desired, but then that was the story across the two forward lines! It will be interesting to see if he can make it to the championship panel. The major omissions for Donegal last night from recent seasons would be Lacey, Kavanagh, Toye, Dunnion, Monaghan, Eamon McGee and, depending on who they decide to go with this year in nets, Michael Boyle. Bonner and Roper are gone, and I'm not sure if Kavanagh or Eamon McGee will be available this season. Conal Dunne I've never been convinced about at this level (although he was very good at times last year), but he may return to centre forward.
Looked like Tyrone had a similar number of championship performers playing. Obviously Sean Cavanagh being the stand-out absentee.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA// - there's a few bits of video here from Saturday night. You can certainly tell that the Donegal lads interviewed were delighted to put one over on Tyrone.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA// - there's a few bits of video here from Saturday night. You can certainly tell that the Donegal lads interviewed were delighted to put one over on Tyrone.
And why not? As Cassidy says, they're the yardstick. But, as he also says, matching them in the middle of the summer is when it counts.
Couple of posters being a bit harsh on Tyrone IMO. Led until the 79th minute and only lost to a rather fortunate goal which came pretty much out of nowhere. Plenty of the younger lads have shown up well and its an exciting prospect to take the best of the McKenna Cup panel and add the likes of McMenamin, Harte, Jordan, Cavanagh, Mulligan and Mulgrew. Quite hopeful this will be the season Mulgrew kicks on. Harte has a tough task ahead in cutting some good players but if he can get it right and the key men avoid injury then there are plenty of reasons for optimism.
Just watching clips from 03 there. Footage of McGuigan, Hub, McAnallen etc lifting the cup while they still looked like cubs. I'm looking forward to players from the 08 minor team making the breakthrough. Exciting times ahead.
Agree with you totallly there Lamh Dhearg Alba.
MH will be happy that we secured maximum games from the competition, the final result is almost a complete irrelevance from his perspective. He now has all the game time he could have asked for to make his calls in respect of who exactly will make the cut.
Wonder will Dooher be walking the line in the McKenna Cup in 2011?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQO-VU2eqBg
Dr. McKenna Cup 2011
All Sunday games at 2.00 p.m.:
All midweek games at 7.30 p.m.
(Extra time to be played in Semi finals & Final)
Section A: UUJ, Fear Manach, Tír Eoghain, Dún na nGall
Section B: QUB, An Cabhán, Doíre, Muineachán
Section C: Naomh Mhuire, An Dún, Ard Mhacha, Aontroim
9th Jan: Roinn 1: Section A
UUJ v Fermanagh at Brewster Park
Tyrone v Donegal at Healy Park
Section B
QUB v Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park
Derry v Monaghan at Celtic Park
Section C
St. Mary's v Down at Pairc Esler
Armagh v Antrim at Athletic's Grounds
16th Jan: Round 2: Section A
Fermanagh v Tyrone at Brewster Park
Donegal v UUJ at MacCumhaill Park
Section B
Cavan v Derry at Kingspan Breffni Park
Monaghan v QUB at Clones
Section C
Down v Armagh at Pairc Esler
Antrim v St. Mary's at Casement Park
19th Jan: Round 3: Section A
UUJ v Tyrone at Healy Park
Donegal v Fermanagh at MacCumhaill Park
Section B
Monaghan v Cavan at Inniskeen
Derry v QUB at Celtic Park
Section C
Antrim v Down at Casement Park
Armagh v St. Mary's at Athletic's Grounds
22nd / 23rd Jan: Semi Finals: (1) Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B
(2) Winner of Section A v 4th Placed Team
29th Jan: Final: 1 v 2
Down v Armagh in the Mc Kenna cup, National League and the championship next year. They'll be sick of the sight of eachother!
QuoteArmagh v Antrim at Athletic's Grounds
Why does the Athletic ground have a 's after it?
Will it be open for games in January in any case?
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QuoteArmagh v Antrim at Athletic's Grounds
Why does the Athletic ground have a 's after it?
It doesn't
armagh will be sick of the sight of down next year.cant believe we play in mckenna cup as well.prepare for 3 spankings lads.the future is red and black.roll on 2011
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armagh will be sick of the sight of down next year.cant believe we play in mckenna cup as well.prepare for 3 spankings lads.the future is red and black.roll on 2011
Whatever you say
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9198378.stm
Update on the Armagh squad for next year
Toye to return for NFL
03 December 2010
Donegal manager Jimmy McGuinness has received an early Christmas present following the news that experienced forward Christy Toye will be back in action for the national football league.
Toye has had a nightmare year as injury has ruled him out for the past year, but he had an operation on a troublesome Achilles injury last week and the prognosis is that he will be back in action by next March.
The 29-year-old will miss the McKenna Cup and the early rounds of the league, but should make a return at some stage during the campaign.
"Christy is definitely going to miss the Dr McKenna Cup, but all going well he should be in a position to gradually get back into action and I would be hopeful that he will be in a position to make a gradual return by the middle of the league and be fully fit again by the time the championship comes around," said McGuinness.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139282
GAA: McKenna Cup Fixture Draw And Venues for 2011
Written by: Gary Quinn on 13th December 2010
The Ulster Council has announced the dates, times and venues for the 2011 Dr McKenna Cup.
In the tie of the opening round sees holders Donegal, meet Tyrone in a repeat of the 2010 final at Healy Park on Sunday, January 9.
The match between Cavan and Queen's on January 8 at Kingspan Breffni Park will be the first inter-county Ulster fixture to be staged on a synthetic 3G pitch. Also on the first weekend, Derry play Monaghan, St Mary's take on Down and Armagh face Antrim.
The matches will be played under lights, with most having 7pm throw-ins. The final is scheduled to take place on Saturday, January 29 – a week before the National League commences.
Saturday 8 January
Section A
UUJ v Fermanagh (Brewster Park)
Section B
QUB v Cavan (Breffni Park 3G)
Section C
St Mary's v Down (Pairc Esler)
Sunday 9 January
Section A
Tyrone v Donegal (Healy Park)
Section B
Derry v Monaghan (Celtic Park)
Section C
Armagh v Antrim (Athletic Grounds)
Saturday 15 January
Section B
Cavan v Derry (Breffni Park)
Section C
Down v Armagh (Pairc Esler)
Antrim v St Mary's (Casement Park)
Sunday 16 January
Section A
Fermanagh v Tyrone (Brewster Park)
Donegal v UUJ (MacCumhaill Park)
Section B
Monaghan v Queen's (Clones)
Wednesday 19 January
Section A
UUJ v Tyrone (Healy Park)
Donegal v Fermanagh (MacCumhaill Park)
Section B
Monaghan v Cavan (Inniskeen)
Derry v Queen's (Celtic Park)
Section C
Antrim v Down (Casement Park)
Armagh v St Mary's (Athletic Grounds)
22 & 23rd January – semi finals
Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B
Winner of Section A v fourth-placed team
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/12/13/gaa-mckenna-cup-fixture-draw-and-venues-for-2011/
Wee James to assess fringe players
10 December 2010
Down manager James McCartan will look at some of the Mourne County's fringe players during next month's McKenna Cup.
The Down boss had few selection headaches this year (apart from the long-term injury to captain Ambrose Rogers) as his team reached the All-Ireland final, fielding a settled side for the most part.
The likes of Conor Maginn and Ronan Murtagh are pushing for first-team starts and Wee James would like to take a closer look at Brendan McArdle, Mark Doran, Aidan Brannigan, Ronan Sexton and Conor Laverty.
The McKenna Cup in January will give him a chance to weigh up the strength in depth of his squad before the league commences in February.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139541
Nine Gall's players in Saffron squad
16 December 2010
Antrim manager Liam Bradley has included nine St. Gall's players in his McKenna Cup squad.
Bradley was forced to plan without his St. Gall's contingent for last season's McKenna Cup campaign and much of the National League as they swept to All-Ireland club glory. But their defeat to Crossmaglen in this year's Ulster club championship means the Milltown men will be able to play a full part in 2011.
The St. Gall's players included are Chris Kerr, Colin Brady, Andy McClean, Anto Healy, Aodhan Gallagher, Terry O'Neill, Kevin and CJ McGourty and Kevin Niblock.
The newcomers to Bradley's squad are Sean O'Neill, Brendan McCann, Mark Sweeney, Richard Johnston and James Laverty. Antrim's first game in the McKenna will be against Armagh in the Athletic Grounds on Sunday, January 9.
Antrim (McKenna Cup squad): C Kerr, C Brady, A McClean, K O'Boyle, T Scullion, J Crozier, M McAleese, J Loughrey, R Johnston, A Healy, M McCann, B McCann, B Herron, A Gallagher, D McCann, T O'Neill, S O'Neill, K McGourty, J Laverty, K Brady, T McCann, M Dougan, E McNeill, CJ McGourty, M Magill, P Cunningham, K Niblock, A Douglas, M Sweeney.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139738
O'Rourke opts for experience
16 December 2010
Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke has named an experienced squad for the McKenna Cup, insisting that he cannot afford the luxury of experimenting with young talent.
With a tough National League Division 1 campaign to come in the springtime, O'Rourke wants to have a settled team in place, although he will have to plan without members of Crossmaglen's Ulster club championship winning team for the first few rounds at least.
"I am very conscious of the first round of the National League on February 5. I don't care whether you are an experienced player or not, everybody needs game-time," he said in The Irish News.
"We need to get our players ready for that and that is what we are using the McKenna Cup for. We want everyone in the panel to get at least two games so that no-one is going into the National League feeling ring-rusty."
Goalkeeper Paul Hearty is the only Crossmaglen player named in O'Rourke's squad, while 2009 All-Ireland minor winner Rory Grugan will have the chance to impress. Ronan Clarke is included after an injury-wreaked 2010, as is Ryan Henderson, who has been playing for Belfast Celtic in the Irish League of late.
Armagh (McKenna Cup squad): C Clarke, R Clarke, K Dyas, A Duffy, P Duffy, J Feeney, R Grugan, P Hearty, R Henderson, J Lavery, S McDonnell, P McEvoy, C McKeever, D McKenna, G McParland, M Mackin, A Mallon, B Mallon, V Martin, F Moriarty, G O'Neill, M O'Rourke, G Swift, K Toner, C Vernon, C Watters.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139731
The Derry McKenna Cup panel 2011
Official Teamsheet.
Competition: Dr McKenna Cup 2011
Team: Doire
No. Name (In English) Name
(As Gaelige)
Club
(As Gaeilge)
1 Michael Bateson Miceal de Báth Driochead Nua
2 Paddy Bradley Padraig Ó Brolcháin Gleann An Iolair
3 Michael Conlon Miceal Ó Conalláin Baile An Doire
4 James Conway Séamas Ó Conbhuí Baile An Doire
5 Danny Devlin Dónall Ó Doibhilin Baile Na Scríne
6 Michael Drumm Miceal Ó Droma Leamhthaigh
7 Michael Friel Micheál Ó Fríl An Suaitreach
8 Conleth Gilligan Conleth Mac Giollagáin Baile An Doire
9 Niall Holly Niall Mac Cuilinn Cúil Raithin
10 Mark Lynch Marc Ó Loinsigh Beannchar
11 Brian Og McAlary Brian Óg Mac Giolla Arraith Cill Ria
12 Aidan McAlynn Aodhán Mac Ailín An Lúb
13 Dermot McBride Diarmuid Mac Giolla Bhríde Baile Na Scríne
14 Brian McCallion Brian Mac Ailín Grianloch
15 P J McCloskey P S Mac Bhloscaidh Beannchar
16 Kevin McCloy Caoimhin MacLuaidh Leamhthaigh
17 Barry McGoldrick Barra Mag Gualraic Cúil Raithin
18 Ciaran McGoldrick Ciarán Mag Gualraic Cúil Raithin
19 Sean Leo McGoldrick Seán Mag Gualraic Cúil Raithin
20 Niall McNicholl Niall Mac Nicoll An Séan Mhullach
21 Lee Moore Laoi Ó Móra Carraig Bhan
22 Enda Muldoon Éanna Ó Maoldúin Baile An Doire
23 Ciaran Mullan Ciaran Ó Maoláin Cúil Raithin
24 Declan Mullan Déaglán Ó Maoláin Cúil Raithin
25 Gerard O Kane Geroid Ó Catháin Gleann An Iolair
26 Ruairi Shivers Ruairí Síbhear An Séan Mhullach
Manager: John Brennan
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139711
Rogers absent from Down squad
16 December 2010
Ambrose Rogers will miss Down's McKenna Cup and National League campaigns after picking up a knee infection during a recent team holiday in New York.
According to Down boss James McCartan, the infection is related to the fact that the player had his spleen removed after he shipped a heavy tackle during the Mourne County's All-Ireland qualifier defeat to Wexford in 2008. "Ambrose has had a setback," McCartan said.
"He got an infection in his knee when we were in Manhattan. That was further complicated by the fact that he has no spleen. He was very ill.
"When he returned, he was in hospital for a week, and he lost a stone-and-a-half in weight, which he didn't have to lose."
To compound matters, the Down captain is still recovering from the cruciate ligament injury which prevented him from playing in this year's All-Ireland semi-final and final, and McCartan fears he mightn't play again until the championship.
"We really don't know. I'm getting mixed reports. Some are saying Ambrose will be ready to play at the end of April, somebody is saying it will be the middle of June," he said.
"If he caught a league game, I would be delighted. Ambrose is planning to get some league games, but I would maybe be a bit more cautious than that."
McCartan has named a 26-man squad for the McKenna, which includes former All-Ireland minor captain Liam Doyle who has suffered two cruciate ligament injuries in recent years. Kilcoo's Paul Devlin and Conor Poland, brother of half forward Mark, have also been called up.
Down (McKenna Cup squad): D Alder, G McArdle, D Gordon, A Brannigan, D Rooney, A Carr, P Fitzpatrick, K King, L Doyle, M Poland, B Coulter, P Devlin, J Clarke, M Clarke, C Murdock, K Anderson, J Colgan, B McArdle, C Laverty, R Sexton, C Maginn, R Murtagh, M McCartan, C Poland, P McPolin, D Sheerin.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139733
Owens returns to new-look Fermanagh panel
15 December 2010
Former All-Star full back Barry Owens has been included in new Fermanagh manager John O'Neill's McKenna Cup panel. While O'Neill has yet to officially announce his squad, it's believed that plenty of new faces are included, while Owens is set to play a full part in the pre-season competition after being sidelined for most of the last three years due to injury and heart problems.
Owens, who has undergone heart surgery, has been joined by his Teemore clubman Hugh Brady, who wasn't involved last year after playing at full back in 2009.
County champions Roslea are represented by the three Quigley brothers, Seamus, Conor and Sean, as well as Liam Lynch, Kevin Cosgrove and Niall Cassidy, while Devenish trio Marty O'Brien and John and Terry O'Flanagan have also received call-ups.
Newly-crowned Ulster intermediate football champions Lisnaskea will have Danny Killen, Niall McElroy, Stevie Carter and Johnny Woods involved, while new recruits Fergal Murphy and James McGrath will vie with Chris Breen for the goalkeeping position.
Eamon Maguire (cruciate ligament) and former All-Star midfielder Marty McGrath (tendonitis in the knee) weren't considered due to injury, while wing back Danny Ward has emigrated to Australia.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139696
where can you find out the Queens and UUJ squads or all the university squads for this competition?
Dr McKenna Cup
09-01-11 (Sunday)
Armagh v Antrim
2-00pm Crossmaglen
M Sludden(Tyrone)
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where can you find out the Queens and UUJ squads or all the university squads for this competition?
O'Rourke finalises Queen's panel21 December 2010
Queen's University manager Cathal O'Rourke has named his Dr McKenna Cup panel.
O'Rourke will be without the services of 2009 All-Ireland minor winner Rory Grugan, who is committed to Armagh, but will be able to call on Derry brothers Charlie and James Kielt. The Belfast students will open their campaign against Cavan on the new 3G pitch at Kingspan/Breffni Park on Saturday, January 8.
Queen's (Dr McKenna Cup squad): P Graham (Creggan), S Barton (Moneymore), S Burke (St. Gall's), O Costello (Bredagh), B Cox (Belcoo), C Crilly (Castlewellan), S Finch (Rossa), C Fleming (Rossa), M Gallagher (Omagh, St. Enda's), L Howard (Bryansford), R Jones (Derrygonnelly), J Kielt (Kilrea), C Kielt (Kilrea), G McAleese (Portglenone), M Jackson (Tempo), N McKenna (Donaghmore), C McGovern (Burren), N McGovern (Belcoo), F McQuaid (Augher), B O'Boyle (Loup), T O'Hagan (Coalisland), L O'Neill (Coalisland), J O'Kane (Loup), C Rafferty (Granemore), M Sweeney (St. Brigid's).
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139944
Bradley on board for McKenna Cup
16 December 2010
Paddy Bradley has been named in new Derry manager John Brennan's McKenna Cup squad.
Bradley announced his retirement from inter-county football after being left out of the Derry team to play Carlow in this year's All-Ireland qualifiers, only to change his mind after speaking to Brennan. And while fellow veterans Enda Muldoon and Kevin McCloy have also been included, long-serving midfielder Fergal Doherty is missing. This will undoubtedly give rise to speculation that Doherty has played his last game for the Oak Leafers. Meanwhile, 28-year-old Joe Diver has been included in the UUJ squad, where he is studying marketing on a part-time basis. He is one of Derry players who will represent their universities instead.
Derry (McKenna Cup squad): M Bateson, P Bradley, M Conlon, J Conway, D Devlin, M Drumm, M Friel, C Gilligan, N Holly, M Lynch, B Og McAlary, A McAlynn, D McBride, B McCallion, PJ McCloskey, K McCloy, B McGoldrick, C McGoldrick, SL McGoldrick, L Moore, E Muldoon, C Mullan, D Mullan, G O'Kane, R Shivers.
Still no sign of a Monaghan panel. Although a news story on Hogan Stand listed the following injuries
Shane Duffy
Stephen Gollogly
Conor McManus
Vinny Corey
Eoin Lennon
Hugh McElroy
John Paul Mone
Kieran Hughes
That's some list if it drags on into the league! On the plus side though, it does indicate that JP Mone is still hanging about.
Cavan panel announced
New Cavan managers Val Andrews and Terry Hyland have revealed their panel for the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup.
The panel contains a large number of the 2010 squad with a number of newcomers also included.
Cavan panel for Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup: James Reilly, Fintan Reilly, Anton O'Reilly, Alan Clarke, Pauric Cahill, Damien O'Reilly, John McCutcheon, Sean McCormack, Ciaran Galligan, Eoin McGuigan, Ronan O'Flanagan, Mark McKeever, Michael Brennan, Sean Johnston, Thomas Corr, Dane O'Dowd, Stephen Jordan, Ray Cullivan, Lorcan Mulvey, Keith Fannin, Paddy Gumley, Padraig O'Reilly, Ronan Reilly, Gerard Pierson, Brendan Fitzpatrick, Niall O'Reilly.
McGuinness looks to youth
Donegal manager Jimmy McGuinness has unsurprisingly included a number of this year's under-21 squad in his panel for the 2011 senior campaign.
In total, eight new players have been drafted in to the squad as Donegal begin their season in the McKenna Cup, which is only a few weeks away now.
Six of the eight were members of the under-21 side, while Naomh Conaill pair Johnny Bonner and Marty Boyle were also included.
The full Dr. McKenna Cup panel is: Paul Durcan, Peter Boyle, Karl Lacey, Neil McGee, Barry Dunnion, Johnny Bonner, Tomas McKinley,Edward Kelly, Neil Gallagher, Rory Kavanagh, Christopher Murrin, Dermot Molloy, Michael Hegarty, Colm McFadden, Daniel McLaughlin, Marty Boyle, David Walsh, Adrian Hanlon, Michael Murphy, Paddy McGrath, Kevin Mulhern, Leo McLoone, Ryan Bradley, Kevin Cassidy, Frank McGlynn, Antoin McFadden.
An Cabhán
1 Seamus Ó Raghallaigh James Reilly An Drong
2 Fintaín Ó Raghallaigh Fintan Reilly Cnoc Rua
3 Antoin Ó Raghallaigh Anton O'Reilly Reamór Aonthainthe
4 Alan Ó Cléirigh Alan Clarke Dún a Rí
5 Padraigh Mac Cathail Pauric Cahill Coill na Gearraí
6 Damien Ó Raghallaigh Damien O'Reilly Béal Tairbeirt
7 Séan Mac Úistín John McCutcheon An Muinchille
8 Séan Mac Cormac Sean Mc Cormack Beal Atha hÉis
9 Ciarán O Gealagáin Ciaran Galligan An Drong
10 Eoin Mac Úighin Eoin Mc Guigan Béal Tairbeirt
11 Ronan O Flanagan Ronan Flanagan Caislean Reathain
12 Marcus Mac Íomhair Mark Mc Keever Loch Gamhna
13 Micheal O Braoininn Michael Brennan Drum an Laoigh
14 Sean Mac Seáin Sean Johnston Gael an Chabhain
15 Thómas O Corra Thomas Corr An Dinn
16 Dane Ó Duada Dane O'Dowd Droim Leathan
17 Stiofan Mac Shiúrtáin Stephen Jordan An Leamhí
18 Reamann Mac Conluain Ray Cullivan Beal Atha hÉis
19 Lorcan Ó Maoilmhiaigh Lorcan Mulvey Droichead an Bhuitlearaigh
20 Ceith Ó Fannin Keith Fannin Druim Dhuin Éire Óg
21 Padraigh Ó Gumley Paddy Gumley Cnoc Rua
22 Padraigh Ó Raghallaigh Padraig O'Reilly Beal Átha na nÉach
23 Ronan O Raghallaigh Ronan Reilly Béal Átha Conaill
24 Géaróid Mac Piarais Gerard Pierson Loch Gamhna
25 Brendán Mac Giolla Phádraigh Brendan Fitzpatrick Béal Tairbeirt
26 Niall Ó Raghallaigh Niall O'Reilly Beal Átha na nÉach
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139957
Very little chat here about the weekends games. Anyone going to the Tyrone and Donegal game?
Hope to go if it goes ahead (early talk of snow for Friday/Saturday). These two normally serve up decent games in the McKenna Cup - was a real good game in Ballybofey on a Wednesday night last year.
You'd imagine Harte will name some sort of team tomorrow. Based on the panel it should be strong enough. Looking forward to seeing Cassidy and McCaul back in the McKenna Cup. Also to seeing how Coney and McNabb are developing. Will also be interesting to see what sort of shape the older players are in.
See the Ulster GAA have announced Admission Prices for the McKenna Cup
10 Euros/9 Sterling
5 Pound/Euro for OAPS - Students
Steep!
Quote from: Joxer on January 06, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
See the Ulster GAA have announced Admission Prices for the McKenna Cup
10 Euros/9 Sterling
5 Pound/Euro for OAPS - Students
Steep!
It really is a joke. Surely they should provide an incentive to get the crowds in for these games. A fiver for an adult and £3 for student/OAP entrance would have much more appeal to the average joe after an expensive Christmas.
How much is entry for O'Byrne etc?
Quote from: Joxer on January 06, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
See the Ulster GAA have announced Admission Prices for the McKenna Cup
10 Euros/9 Sterling
5 Pound/Euro for OAPS - Students
Steep!
They will be clapping themselves on the back for this one - they have never offered a student rate before to my memory...
the down game in croker against dublin in the national league is €45!!! and they are saying it's great value for money as it's a double header, i couldn't see too many down men heading to that at those prices with half the county out of work and diesel at £1.33 per litre, they have lost the run of themselves
€45, that is ridiculous. Think the only league game I'll make an effort to see is Armagh v Down, saying Athletic Grounds don't seem to be finished any time soon.
It's not €45 for an individual game. That price is a package deal for all of the Dublin league double headers in Croke Park which seems like a decent enough price to me.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2011, 04:48:38 PM
It's not €45 for an individual game. That price is a package deal for all of the Dublin league double headers in Croke Park which seems like a decent enough price to me.
oh is it, i must have picked it up wrong, i just scanned over the article on hoganstand.
Tell me this then, as I am down fan i don't care about dublin's other 3 league gams, what price is each individual game, i don't think it gave the price for that...
Under 16 entry to all McKenna Cup matches will be free of Charge. Supporters with a disability will also receive free entry to the games and are asked to apply to their county committee for access. UlsterGAA are also introducing a student concession rate in 2011-a valid indate student card must be shown at stiles for this to be applicable
Prices for 2011 - General: €10/£9; Concession: €5/ £5 (students and OAPs)
Quote from: Banana Man on January 06, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 06, 2011, 04:48:38 PM
It's not €45 for an individual game. That price is a package deal for all of the Dublin league double headers in Croke Park which seems like a decent enough price to me.
oh is it, i must have picked it up wrong, i just scanned over the article on hoganstand.
Tell me this then, as I am down fan i don't care about dublin's other 3 league gams, what price is each individual game, i don't think it gave the price for that...
I don't think individual prices have been released yet. I'd anticipate something in the region of €15 - €20. Probably the latter considering it's a double header.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 17, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
O'Rourke opts for experience
16 December 2010
Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke has named an experienced squad for the McKenna Cup, insisting that he cannot afford the luxury of experimenting with young talent.
With a tough National League Division 1 campaign to come in the springtime, O'Rourke wants to have a settled team in place, although he will have to plan without members of Crossmaglen's Ulster club championship winning team for the first few rounds at least.
"I am very conscious of the first round of the National League on February 5. I don't care whether you are an experienced player or not, everybody needs game-time," he said in The Irish News.
"We need to get our players ready for that and that is what we are using the McKenna Cup for. We want everyone in the panel to get at least two games so that no-one is going into the National League feeling ring-rusty."
Goalkeeper Paul Hearty is the only Crossmaglen player named in O'Rourke's squad, while 2009 All-Ireland minor winner Rory Grugan will have the chance to impress. Ronan Clarke is included after an injury-wreaked 2010, as is Ryan Henderson, who has been playing for Belfast Celtic in the Irish League of late.
Armagh (McKenna Cup squad): C Clarke, R Clarke, K Dyas, A Duffy, P Duffy, J Feeney, R Grugan, P Hearty, R Henderson, J Lavery, S McDonnell, P McEvoy, C McKeever, D McKenna, G McParland, M Mackin, A Mallon, B Mallon, V Martin, F Moriarty, G O'Neill, M O'Rourke, G Swift, K Toner, C Vernon, C Watters.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=139731
Talk of johnny murtagh from cross being added to his since returning home from the states early this week?
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 06, 2011, 05:37:18 PM
Under 16 entry to all McKenna Cup matches will be free of Charge. Supporters with a disability will also receive free entry to the games and are asked to apply to their county committee for access. UlsterGAA are also introducing a student concession rate in 2011-a valid indate student card must be shown at stiles for this to be applicable
Prices for 2011 - General: €10/£9; Concession: €5/ £5 (students and OAPs)
Ahh shite - I just realised I'm not a student anymore.... feck's sake!! ;D
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 06, 2011, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 06, 2011, 05:37:18 PM
Under 16 entry to all McKenna Cup matches will be free of Charge. Supporters with a disability will also receive free entry to the games and are asked to apply to their county committee for access. UlsterGAA are also introducing a student concession rate in 2011-a valid indate student card must be shown at stiles for this to be applicable
Prices for 2011 - General: €10/£9; Concession: €5/ £5 (students and OAPs)
Ahh shite - I just realised I'm not a student anymore.... feck's sake!! ;D
No doubting you're still a Cavan man though!
:P
I lost my student card on a stag do ffs.
anyone the ranch squad?
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 06, 2011, 07:38:53 PM
anyone the ranch squad?
In today's IN. Not gonna write it out though because that is the way I am.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 06, 2011, 07:38:53 PM
anyone the ranch squad?
T Harney, R McAnenly, B Canavan, D Canavan, P Harte, D Carson, M Slane, P McAleer, S O'Neill, C O'Hara, G Teague, C Campbell, E McArdle, B Doyle, R Boyle, S mc kenna, C Murphy, M McKenna, B herron, O Mac Iomhair, M Stevenson, J Gilmore, K Mossey, R Keenan, P Martin, D Mc Cusker, K Connolly, G Crossey, C Doyle, S Donaghy, P Rafferty.
Anyone any predictions for this weekend ? Would fancy Queen's and the Poly to prevail in their games.
Jan
6th
Tyrone Team v Donegal (McKenna Cup)
Sunday 9th January 2010 McKenna Cup
in Healy Park at 2pm
Team v Donegal
————-
1. Jonathan Curran – Oileán a'Ghuail
2. Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3. Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
4. Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
5. Davy Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
6. Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7. Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
8. Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
9. Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10. Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
11. Brian McGuigan – Ard Bó
12. Ciaran Gervin – Doire Lochain
13. Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14. Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15. Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhor
16. Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17. Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
18. Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
19. Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
20. Enda McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
21. Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
22. Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
23. Paddy McNeice – Oileán a'Ghuail
24. PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
25. Martin Swift – Coill an Chlochair
Derrylaughan in the picture again.
Strong xv for tyrone.
Any games on TG4?
Good to see the re-emergence of a few of the more promising individuals in that XV, plus the emergence a few of the unknown unknowns ;)
Saw Stevie last weekend, and he's looking in mean shape.
Would have been nice to have seen some experimentation in the half back line for the game on Sunday as thats an area that probably needs some new blood.
Good to see Gervin get a run at wing forward.
See the Ulster GAA are stating the prices as "Family Friendly".
Classic line!
How much is it into the O'Byrne Cup matches anyone know?
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 07, 2011, 08:17:37 AM
Would have been nice to have seen some experimentation in the half back line for the game on Sunday as thats an area that probably needs some new blood.
Good to see Gervin get a run at wing forward.
Will he still be there after the U21 investigation?
Nothing live on TG4 this weekend?
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 07, 2011, 11:53:02 AM
Nothing live on TG4 this weekend?
The Dr. McKenna Cup is called Rugbaí Beo now on TG4.
Might get a few extra at St Pauls out of it.
Quote from: laoisgaa on June 12, 2010, 01:25:14 PM
Any word on how Martin Finn is playing for London? Wind playing much of a factor?
See Mickey Harte writing about your mate in the paper ar maidin.
From Orchard County
Armagh team v Antrim
Philip McEvoy Naomh Padraig, Droim an Tí
Vincent Martin Naomh Padraig, Droim an Tí
Kieran Toner Naomh Mhuire, An Gráinne Mór
Paul Duffy Na Piarsaigh Óga, Ard Mhacha
Kevin Dyas Naomh Padraig, Droim an Tí
Declan McKenna Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Joe Feeney Ropairí na Madán
Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
Gareth O' Néill Naomh Padraig, Droim an Tí
Rory Grugan Na Cloigthithe, Baile Mhic an Aba
Micheal O'Rourke Naomh Padraig, Droim an Tí
Anto Duffy Na Piarsaigh Óga, Ard Mhacha
Gavin McParland Na Cloigthithe, Baile Mhic an Aba
Brian Mallon Tír na n-Óg, Port An Dúnáin
Colm Watters Na Gormacha, Baile Mhic Cullaigh
Subs:
John McCullagh
Naomh Pádraig, Carraig Chrupáin
Conor Clarke
Na Piarsaigh Óga, Ard Mhacha
Malachy Mackin
Naomh Padraig, Coilleach Eannach
Gareth Swift
Clairsígh ArdMhacha
Steven McDonnell
Naomh Moiníne, Cill Shléibhe
Ciaran McKeever
Naomh Padraig, Coilleach Eannach
John Murtagh
Raonaithe na Croise
Handy enough looking team
By my reckoning, Colm Watters hasn't played club football in about three years. would it not make more sense to let the lad try and get a season of club football under his belt?
Down v St. Marys scheduled for tonight has been cancelled due to a frozed pitch and will now be played on Sat. 22nd Jan.
Have heard some reports that all the games are off. Can anyone shed any light on this?
ALL MATCHES OFF
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/01/08/mckenna-cup-matches-called-off/
Games to be replayed over Jan 22nd and 23rd. Means very likely mid week semis before Jan 29th final
Suprised they've called them all off so quickly. Think it gives sunny and 5 or 6 degrees tomorrow. Could be hard to get the competition completed if they continue with this policy.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 08, 2011, 03:56:09 PM
Suprised they've called them all off so quickly. Think it gives sunny and 5 or 6 degrees tomorrow. Could be hard to get the competition completed if they continue with this policy.
Overnight snow has melted in South Armagh, I'd say Crossmaglen pitch would have been fine tomorrow at 2. Disappointing.
That's a very strange call altogether. There's no frost left round Omagh now and it doesn't give a particularly cold night tonight. Disappoited, was looking forward to my first football fix of the year!
Plenty of snow in Killeavy - but hardly a flake in Crossmaglen - these boys are fierce quick on the draw - I blame Sludden - just for the craic.
Not sure what the pitch is like in Omagh but you'll not get any nicer a day in January for a game than it is today.
McKenna Cup games called off
08 January 2011
All this weekend's McKenna Cup games have fallen victim to the weather. There were six games in total down for decision with even the game between Cavan and Queens University set for the 3G artificial surface at Kingspan Breffni Park also off.
These games have been rescheduled for the weekend of the 22/23 January.
Games postponed
Saturday 8 January 2011
Barrett Sports Dr McKenna Cup SF
UUJ v Fermanagh, Brewster Park, off
Queens v Cavan, Kingspan Breffni Park, off
St Mary's v Down, Pairc Esler, off
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140312
Murtagh added to Armagh squad
07 January 2011
John Murtagh has been added to Armagh's Dr McKenna Cup squad after returning from a three-year stint in New York. The Crossmaglen native, who hasn't been in the Orchard County squad since 2008 but impressed for New York in the unlucky defeat to Galway in last year's Connacht championship, is a nephew of Armagh selector Donal Murtagh who is understood to have played a role in facilitating his return to the fold.
None of the Crossmaglen contingent are currently with the county squad due to their involvement in the All-Ireland club championship, but talented forward Murtagh will be available to Armagh until after next weekend's All-Ireland club quarter-final against Neasden Gaels at least.
"John has come home and we're going to take a look at him over the next few weeks," Armagh manager Paddy O'Rourke said in The Irish Daily Mirror. "We'll give him a chance to stake a claim for a place in the panel for the league. It depends how he goes. Gareth O'Neill (Dromintee) is in the same position, having returned from Australia."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140277
The Ulster GAA website has Armagh down to play St Mary's next Wednesday night in the Athletic Grounds? Do any of the Armagh posters know whether this has been confirmed? I had been told that the Athletic Grounds wouldn't be ready in time for any McKenna Cup fixtures. There's nowhere else in the county able to hold a floodlit fixture??
Looks like the Tyrone game could go ahead on Sunday. :-\
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 11, 2011, 07:25:11 PM
Looks like the Tyrone game could go ahead on Sunday. :-\
With Mickey's blessing if it does.
no decision yet, i think the players meet tonight
I think all games should be called off as a mark of respect.
Tyrone to fulfil McKenna Cup fixture
11 January 2011
Tyrone County Board have said that they expect their senior side to line out against Fermanagh in the McKenna Cup on Sunday.
The county and Gaels nationwide haven been in mourning following the tragic death of manager Mickey Harte's daughter Michaela.
However, the O'Neill County have announced this evening that they will fulfil the game with the blessing of their manager.
"The only thing that will prevent that happening is the remains coming home or a possible funeral," explained Tyrone PRO Damian Harvey.
"Mickey Harte has given his blessing for Tyrone GAA activities to continue."
Tyrone's McKenna Cup match against Fermanagh, scheduled for Sunday, has been postponed until after the funeral of Michaela McAreavey The decision was taken after news that the remains of Michaela, daughter of team manager Mickey Harte, were to return home from Mauritius on Friday. All other GAA activities in the county have been suspended until after the funeral on Monday. County chairman Ciaran McLaughlin said they had spoken to the Harte family.
Initially, Mickey Harte had expressed the wish that the game should go ahead. "We have been talking to Mickey again, we talked it through, and the conclusion we reached was that we did not want the competition to be disrespected, because it holds a lot of memories for us. "The last time Cormac McAnallen played was in the McKenna Cup." "Now that we know what the arrangements are, that Michaela's remains are going to be back at home, and there will be a wake taking place at the time that the match would have been played, we considered the new situation.
"We approached the Ulster Council with a view to putting the match back, and they agreed that we could do that."
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=1527
Game rescheduled for Wed 26th January
At its meeting tonight, the CCC representing the Ulster Council and the counties of Ulster expressed their condolences and deepest sympathy to the Harte and McAreavey families, and to the GAA in Tyrone and Down, and to the respective clubs of Errigal Ciaran and Tullylish at this sad and difficult time.
A number of changes and decisions have been made as a consequence of the tragic and untimely death of Michaela McAreavey. A Minutes Silence will be observed and Flags will be flown at half mast at all games that are played in the Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup this weekend as a mark of respect.
After consideration of all circumstances, it was agreed by CCC Comhairle Uladh that the Fear Manach v Tír Eoghain game scheduled for Brewster Park on Sunday 16th January be postponed, and rescheduled for Wednesday 26th January at 7.30pm.
It has been further decided that, with the co-operation of both units, that the Muineachan v QUB fixture originally scheduled for Sunday 16th January has been brought forward to Saturday 15th January at Clones at 2.00pm.
Please see the complete revised fixture schedule for the Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup as a consequence of these changes as agreed:
Revised Barrett Sports Lighting Dr Mc Kenna Cup 2011:
(Extra time to be played in Semi Finals & Final)
Saturday 15th January:
Section A Donegal v UUJ at MacCumhaill Park (7.00pm)
Section B Monaghan v QUB at Clones (2.00pm)
Cavan v Derry at Kingspan Breffni Park (7.00pm)
Section C Down v Armagh at Pairc Esler (7.00pm)
Antrim v St. Mary's at Casement Park (7.00pm)
Wednesday 19th January:
Section A UUJ v Tyrone at Healy Park (7.30pm)
Donegal v Fermanagh at MacCumhaill Park (8.00pm)
Section B Monaghan v Cavan at Inniskeen (7.30pm)
Derry v QUB at Celtic Park (7.30pm)
Section C Antrim v Down at Casement Park (7.30pm)
Armagh v St. Mary's at Athletic Grounds (7.30pm)
Saturday 22nd January:
Section A UUJ v Fermanagh at Brewster Park (7.00pm)
Section B QUB v Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park 3G (7.00pm)
Section C St. Mary's v Down at Pairc Esler (7.00pm)
Sunday 23rd January:
Section A Tyrone v Donegal at Healy Park (2.00pm)
Section B Derry v Monaghan at Celtic Park (2.00pm)
Section C Armagh v Antrim at Athletic Grounds (2.00pm)
Wednesday 26th January:
Section A Fermanagh v Tyrone at Brewster Park (7.30pm)
Saturday 29th January
Semi Finals:
(1) Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B (7.30pm)
(2) Winner of Section A v 4th Placed Team (7.30pm)
Saturday 12th February: Final (7.30pm)
Anyone any views on the outcome of any of the McKenna cup games this weekend ?
Would appreciate any views on the outcome of the Down vs Armagh game
My verdict woul dbe that Armagh will win quite easily. From what I hear O'Rourke is flat out at the moment, whereas I think McCartan will ease the year in a bit more gently with his eyes on the summer.
Quote from: ck on January 15, 2011, 11:33:38 AM
My verdict woul dbe that Armagh will win quite easily. From what I hear O'Rourke is flat out at the moment, whereas I think McCartan will ease the year in a bit more gently with his eyes on the summer.
^^^ what he said,armagh are my main bet this weekend,o rourke is under pressure,mccartan wont be in a big hurry to get of to a good start,although he will be under pressure to stay up in the league.wont be a whole pile in it,armagh by 3-4.
Does anyone know if it is free in for children? Can't find it anywhere on the web
Feckitt, yes its free for children/u16's.
£9 for adult
£5 for student / OAP (students need a valid student card)
monaghan defeated today any reports?
Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Quote from: our_fella on January 15, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Monaghan have many of their big guns playing? Queen's have any big names?
why are there two McKenna cup threads, one below the other with the same people writing on both?
Quote from: andoireabu on January 15, 2011, 06:02:30 PM
why are there two McKenna cup threads, one below the other with the same people writing on both?
I started the other one to keep it based on 2011 by adding a poll.
Quote from: ck on January 15, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 15, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Monaghan have many of their big guns playing? Queen's have any big names?
Sure Finlay and Clerkin are really the only big guns on the entire panel.
Antrim 0-2 St Marys 0-0 - 7 mins
Antrim 0-3 St Marys 0-1 - 13 mins
Antrim 0-5 St Mary's 0-1
Donegal 0-4 UUJ 0-2
Antrim 0-5 St Mary's 0-2
Donegal 0-4 UUJ 0-3
Derry 0-8 Cavan 0-2
Armagh 0-7 Down 0-1
Antrim 1-5 St Marys 0-2
Dr McKenna Cup - Antrim 1-7 St Mary's 0-2; Donegal 0-7 UUJ 0-4 HT's
Armagh 0-9 Down 1-6 HT
Updates and reports on Highland Radio for the Donegal game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2SphRP_OG0
http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Jordanstown have the breeze for the 2nd Half.
Kevin Cassidy on for Donegal.
Donegal 0-10 Jordanstown 0-05
10 min 2nd half
Donegal 0-10 Jordanstown 0-06
Donegal 0-10 Jordanstown 0-07
Donegal 0-11 Jordanstown 0-07
Scores coming fast and furious!
Donegal 0-11 Jordanstown 0-08
Armagh 1-10 Down 2-10
Donegal 0-14 Jordanstown 0-10
Antrim 1-10 St Marys 0-9
Down 3-11 Armagh 2-13
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 15, 2011, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: ck on January 15, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 15, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Monaghan have many of their big guns playing? Queen's have any big names?
Sure Finlay and Clerkin are really the only big guns on the entire panel.
Surely Tomas Freeman would fit the bill? Wouldn't really include Dick as a "big gun". What age are those three lads now? Feels if they have been around forever. Must be 30+ Hope you have good youngsters coming through.
Down 3-11 Armagh 2-14 - Level
Donegal 0-14 Jordanstown 0-10
All over.
Down 3-11 Armagh 2-15 and into injury time
whos in goals for armagh
Armagh won by 1 point
Well done Armagh. Sounds like It was a cracking game of football
Did johnny murtagh come on,if so how did he do??
Cheers for the updates lads. Any word on the derry result ?
Sounds like a great game. Fair play to both teams for going out and going at it at that level in January!
Did PO'R get any stick?
Derry 1-12 cavan 1-10. Final score. Derry were 8 pts up at half time with strong wind
What sort of team had down out?
a few games like that armagh/down game are what the mckenna cup needs
Good win for Armagh and a healthy scoring return too. Any word on who scored the goals?
Both defences were brutal and both forward lines were v impressive.
down goals were scored by sheerin and coulter x2 - armagh's by mallon and a duffy.
Grugan and o'rourke impressive for armagh in the half forward line. toner completely decimated at full back.
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
plenty of attacking football tonight and no covering especially for the purists!
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
Both defences were brutal and both forward lines were v impressive.
down goals were scored by sheerin and coulter x2 - armagh's by mallon and a duffy.
Grugan and o'rourke impressive for armagh in the half forward line. toner completely decimated at full back.
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
plenty of attacking football tonight and no covering especially for the purists!
was not there but i was told Shorty Clarke got a goal. I heard Toner was roasted, Lavery very poor, Grugan very good. heard McKenna was good but so was Carr who he was marking. heard Dyas was good as well
shorty didn't score a goal - twas anto duffy.
McKenna was v v poor.
both teams werent anywere near there first 15 so wouldnt judge the game too much, it was more like an under 16 match at times, u have the ball and try and score and then we will have the ball and try and score.
As the scoreline suggests both defences were destroyed, rony murtagh and Aidan Carr destroyed McKenna and Toner and every armagh forward destroyed every down defender with michael o rourke particularly impressive. Brian Mallon had an impressive first half too.
Massive crowd for a mckenna cup match but £9 in is a disgrace.
some comments posted
"the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this."
"McKenna was v v poor."
you'd know a lot about it i'd say. v useful that kind of stuff. thats our all-ireland minor winning captain there you're talking about, so i'd just hold back a wee bit and maybe show a bit of respect. all i would add is i mind going to watch a young kieran mcgeeney line out at corner forward after a bad performance or two in defence, how did he end up ?
mckenna has it all ahead of him
Thought the quality and entertainment level tonight were both excellent considering its the first game of the season and conditions were far from ideal. As noted both defences weren't great although all mistakes particularly Armaghs were punished with an efficiency you wouldn't normally see at this time of the year which may have made them look worse than they actually were. That said Toner was cleaned out by Coulter in particular. I thought James Lavery was very very poor the first 60 minutes too which allowed Down to control midfield. Padden played very well when he came in which allowed Armagh back in to the game and seem to give Lavery a new lease of life.
I wouldn't be as critical of Declan McKenna as some on here as I thought he was ok for his debut and did spend a lot of time marking Martin Clarke who seemed a level above everyone else on the pitch. That said he looked a little slow for this level
As for the match itself, it fairly ebbed and flowed with Armagh 7 points up after 25 minutes and and 5 points down with 20 minutes to go. Clarke went off injured with about 10 minutes or so to go and I felt that was the major factor in allowing Armagh to win.
Best for Armagh was probably Vernon and O Rourke
he was only stating the obvious he was very poor and just because he is your all ireland minor captain does not mean anything down had an all ireland minor winning captain came on he is now 30 and that still remains his best moment nothing is guaranteed
Armagh and Antrim open with wins
Armagh defeated Down by a single point and Antrim proved too good for St Mary's in the opening fixtures in Section C of the Barrett McKenna Cup. At Pairc Esler, Benny Coulter bagged two goals for Down, but it wasn't enough as Armagh claimed a slender 2-15 to 3-11 win. Former Mayo footballer Billy Joe Padden made a second half appearance as a substitute for the Orchard County. Antrim saw off St Mary's 2-12 to 0-9 at Casement Park. Despite the close nature of the full-time score-line at Pairc Esler, Armagh burst out of the blocks to claim an early 0-8 to 0-1 advantage. Rory Grugan bagged three first half points for the Orchard County, with Brian Mallon, Colm Watters and Joe Feeney also among their scorers.
However, beaten All-Ireland finalists Down launched a stern comeback before the break. Peter Fitzpatrick claimed the only goal of the first half, while Conor Maginn, Coulter and Ronan Murtagh claimed points to tie the contest at 1-6 to 0-9 at the interval. The game continued to be a tight affair on the restart with both sides claiming third quarter goals.
Coulter was on target for Down's second 'major' while Brian Mallon claimed the Armagh goal, with Down leading by 2-11 to 1-10 with 15 minutes remaining. Goals continued to flow freely in the second half, with Benny Coulter bagging his second goal for the hosts. However, Armagh held out at the death with Anthony Duffy claiming a late goal. Goals in either half were vital as Antrim claimed a 2-12 to 0-9 win in the Dr McKenna Cup at a rain swept Casement Park.
Liam Bradley's charges were in superb form throughout and led by 1-7 to 0-2 at half-time, with Dean O'Neill netting a 32nd minute goal. The Naomh Enda half-forward bagged the vital three-pointer after winning possession from a kick-out, setting off on a solo run and slotting the ball to the net from 21 metres.
The Saffrons made a pacey start with five of their forwards on target before the break, with Paddy Cunningham, Conor McGourty, Mark Sweeney and Terry O'Neill also claiming first half scores. Ciaran Campbell and Benny Herron kept St Mary's in touch, and the teaching college dug deep on the restart. Paddy Tally's side claimed the first two points of the second half with Tyrone's Kevin Mossey and Mark McKenna on target. A Paddy Cunningham score gave Antrim a 1-7 to 0-4 lead in the 41st minute, but St Mary's continued to lay down a marker. Midfielder McKenna claimed his second point of the half, before substitute Oisin Mac Iomhair slotted over a free to leave the score at 1-7 to 0-6 as the game entered the final quarter. The teams swapped points, before a third point from McGourty extended the hosts lead to five points. St Mary's continued to press hard, but a late Antrim goal after the students goalkeeper Ronan McAnenly messed up a dipping Kevin Niblock shot sealed the issue late on.
Barrett McKenna Cup
Section A
Donegal 0-14 0-10 UUJ
Section B
Monaghan 0-9 0-13 Queen's
Cavan 1-10 1-12 Derry
Section C
Down 3-11 2-15 Armagh
Antrim 2-12 0-09 St Mary's
Story from BBC SPORT:
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Published: 2011/01/15 20:47:37 GMT
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Quote from: superblues on January 15, 2011, 10:34:07 PM
he was only stating the obvious he was very poor and just because he is your all ireland minor captain does not mean anything down had an all ireland minor winning captain came on he is now 30 and that still remains his best moment nothing is guaranteed
read back, as if it wasnt bad enough his first comment, then he has to get back on and add more 20 mins later with another insightful remark, like fek sakes, come on now. i dont mind some fair criticism but thats pure tripe.
Queen's and Derry take victories
Queen's University proved too strong for Monaghan in their Barrett Dr McKenna Cup Section B opener at Clones. Both sides finished with 14 men in a highly competitive encounter as Queen's University took a 0-13 to 0-9 win. Derry enjoyed a slender 1-12 to 1-10 advantage over Cavan in their game at Breffni Park on Saturday night. John Brennan's charges led by 0-11 to 0-3 at half-time with all of the Oak Leafers scores coming from open play. Michael Brennan grabbed a late goal. Monaghan were dealt a major blow with the dismissal of Francis Caulfield in the first half and Queen's upped a gear to lead by two points at the interval at Clones on Saturday afternoon. Substitute Joe Ireland was sent-off in the second period but the students held on to get off to a winning start. Cathal O'Rourke's charges were met with a determined Monaghan challenge, as the students edged a 0-5 to 0-3 score-line at half-time, with Tyrone's Niall McKenna and Derry's Charlie Kielt prominent. Monaghan matched the visitors well early on and led by 0-2 to 0-1 following points from Paul Finlay and Martin McElroy after 12 minutes. Midfielder Caulfield received a second yellow card for a mistimed tackle on Kielt in the 13th minute.
After the break, McKenna and Kielt were among the scorers as Queen's built up a 0-10 to 0-4 lead within 14 minutes of the restart. Ireland received a straight red card following a dangerous tackle towards the end of the third quarter, but despite his dismissal and goal chances for Monaghan duo Eoghan Duffy and Keith Hill, Queen's held out for victory. Visitors Derry got their McKenna Cup campaign off to an impressive start thanks to a 1-12 to 1-10 win over Cavan. John Brennan's charges led by 0-11 to 0-3 at half-time with all of the Oak Leafers scores coming from open play.
Conleth Gilligan led the charge with five well taken points from play in the opening half, with Paddy Bradley claiming two points inside the opening 35 minutes. Derry were dominant in all sectors in the opening period, with James Kielt particularly impressive at midfield. Cavan were dealt a major blow midway through the half as they lost their goalkeeper James Reilly through injury and he was replaced by David Ward. Derry continued to perform strongly on the restart, but Cavan dug deep in the closing stages, holding the visitors to just 1-1 in the second half. A late Michael Brennan goal put Cavan back into the frame with Derry holding a late 1-12 to 1-9 lead. However, Derry held out to register their first win of 2011.
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Published: 2011/01/15 19:36:12 GMT
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Was at the game tonight and think the criticism of McKenna is a wee bit strong I thought he had a fair game and certainly has the potential. Kieran Toner is a midfielder and not a full back, Grugan was superb and glad to see Brian Mallon have a good game, all the Down men could do was foul him anytime he got the ball.
Decent performance by Armagh. I was quite annoyed midway through the second half at the manner in which we'd squandered a seemingly overwhelming first half advantage and looked beaten when we were 5 or 6 behind. But fair play they knuckled down and got back into the match.
As the scoreline suggests, a poor night for the defences. Benny Coulter caused us serious damage - scored two goals and might as well have scored the other. The defence as a unit were poor with one or two individuals having really dreadful matches. I was surprised Ciaran McKeever wasn't utilised to plug one or two of the holes in our defence. The return of Donaghy and Mallon is badly needed while James Morgan could well be pushing for a starting slot by May. We only had 6 defenders in our entire squad tonight.
On the other hand, the forwards were excellent. Grugan had an excellent debut. He appears to have one of the most vital attributes any footballer can have - vision. Brian Mallon was very good early on while that may well have been Miceal O'Rourke's best match in an Armagh jersey. McParland was decent as well while I felt Billy Joe Padden provided some much needed impetus late in the match
Some of the link play in the first 20 minutes was exceptional and we played a very attractive brand of football with 3 full forwards. It made a pleasant change but the concession of 3-11 may see a return to a defensive mindset. Overall, it was a pleasing and enjoyable performance, if ultimately fairly meaningless.
Donegal beat UUJ in McKenna Cup
Jim McGuinness claimed a debut win in his first game as Donegal manager thanks to a 0-14 to 0-10 win over UUJ at a sparsely attended Ballybofey. The hosts led by 0-7 to 0-4 at half-time and extended their advantage to secure a four-point victory. The other scheduled game in the group should have seen Fermanagh play Tyrone but that fixture has been postponed after the death of Michaela McAreavey. That match will now be played at Brewster Park on Wednesday 26 January. At Ballybofey, Mattie Donnelly got the students off the mark before Ryan Bradley claimed an equaliser. Dermot Molloy and Peter Hughes traded points, before Donegal opened up a 0-7 to 0-3 lead approaching the interval. UUJ held momentum in the closing stages of the half with Caolan O'Boyle cutting the deficit to three points at the break. Donnelly bagged the opening score of the second half for the students inside a minute of the restart. However a trio of scores including a brace of points from Molloy helped open up a 0-10 to 0-5 lead in the 45th minute. Scores came at fast pace from both sides, with Donegal edging a 0-12 to 0-8 lead with 10 minutes remaining. Despite a resiliant UUJ display, the Tir Chonaill men held out for a well merited win.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9363129.stm
Published: 2011/01/15 21:52:50 GMT
© BBC 2011
My initial comment:
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
Was a criticism of the management. It's particularly difficult for a young defender to come into a county senior team. Much easier for a forward. Young McKenna has plenty of potential but throwing him in there – and putting him on martin Clarke – is shocking stuff. That he didn't light the place up is not his fault.
A poster then asked the question about McKenna's performance. He was v v poor. Again, I don't lay any blame at his door. Should I tell lies to protect your sensibilities?
McKenna Cup: Queen's spoil McEneaney's return
15 January 2011
Eamonn McEneaney's first game back in charge of Monaghan ended in a Dr McKenna Cup Section B defeat to Queen's University at Clones today.
Queen's University 0-13
Monaghan 0-9
Both sides finished with 14 players after Monaghan's Francis Caulfield was sent off in the first half and Queen's substitute Joe Ireland was dismissed in the second period. With Tyrone's Niall McKenna and Derry's James Kielt to the fore, Cathal O'Rourke's students took a 0-5 to 0-3 lead into the break. Monaghan started the brighter with points from Paul Finlay and Martin McElroy giving them a 0-2 to 0-1 lead after 12 minutes. But midfielder Caulfield's dismissal on a second yellow card one minute later for a reckless tackle on Kielt hit them hard as Queen's fought back to lead at half-time. The Belfast side tightened their grip on proceedings after the restart and had built up a 0-10 to 0-4 lead by the 49th minute. Ireland received a straight red card following a dangerous tackle at the end of the third quarter, but despite his dismissal and goal chances for Monaghan duo Eoghan Duffy and Keith Hill, they held on for the win.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=140631
Saffrons off to winning start in McKenna Cup - Antrim 2-12 St mary's 0-9
15 January 2011
Antrim got their Dr McKenna Cup campaign off to a winning start at a rain drenched Casement Park on Saturday evening with a 2-12 to 0-9 win over St Mary's in Section C.
Liam Bradley's men were in top form and after an impressive opening half they led by 1-7 to 0-2 at the break, the goal coming from St Enda's Dean O'Neill in the thirty-second minute after a fine solo run and finish.
The pleasing thing about that first-half display was the spread of scored throughout the team as Paddy Cunningham, Conor McGourty, Mark Sweeney and Terry O'Neill also got their names on the scoreboard.
St Mary's battled hard after the restart and points from Kevin Mossey and Mark McKenna kept them in contention.
Paddy Cunningham stretched the Antrim lead to 1-7 to 0-4 but St Mary's stayed in touch when Mark McKenna again found the target, and when substitute Oisin Mac Iomhair knocked over a free they reduced their arrears to just four points. (1-7 to 0-6) A third point from CJ McGourty pulled Antrim five clear and though St Mary's kept battling to the end a late Kevin Niblock goal sealed the Saffrons win.
http://antrim.gaa.ie/news/details/?id=2793
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 10:53:37 PM
My initial comment:
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
Was a criticism of the management. It's particularly difficult for a young defender to come into a county senior team. Much easier for a forward. Young McKenna has plenty of potential but throwing him in there – and putting him on martin Clarke – is shocking stuff. That he didn't light the place up is not his fault.
A poster then asked the question about McKenna's performance. He was v v poor. Again, I don't lay any blame at his door. Should I tell lies to protect your sensibilities?
get your boot in early there on young mckenna,is this competion not meant to be about looking at potential players and giving thema chance,he had to mark one of the best forwards in ireland that not to many established county players could mark last year,give the lad a chance.
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 10:53:37 PM
My initial comment:
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
Was a criticism of the management. It's particularly difficult for a young defender to come into a county senior team. Much easier for a forward. Young McKenna has plenty of potential but throwing him in there – and putting him on martin Clarke – is shocking stuff. That he didn't light the place up is not his fault.
A poster then asked the question about McKenna's performance. He was v v poor. Again, I don't lay any blame at his door. Should I tell lies to protect your sensibilities?
wouldnt exactly call it sensibilities, but its just hard reading pure tripe
" That he didn't light the place up is not his fault"
some of armagh minors best games the year they won the all-ireland, Declan wouldnt have been lighting the place up, but he (in my opinion) would have been man of match many times....he is far from stand out in many games but he does a job and does it very well.
sorry, but as you say, it was only a criticism of the management. i'm sure when POR was talking to Declan before he went out on the field he wasn't saying things like "go out there son and light the place up!"
early days anyway and a good start tonight
Keep your heads in the sand there lads
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 10:53:37 PM
My initial comment:
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
Was a criticism of the management. It's particularly difficult for a young defender to come into a county senior team. Much easier for a forward. Young McKenna has plenty of potential but throwing him in there – and putting him on martin Clarke – is shocking stuff. That he didn't light the place up is not his fault.
A poster then asked the question about McKenna's performance. He was v v poor. Again, I don't lay any blame at his door. Should I tell lies to protect your sensibilities?
jaysus sake its the feckin mckenna cup. you're meant to throw in the young lads AND onto players like martin clarke. why not?
he'll hardly be stood on a bridge ringing the samaritans after 3 men and a dog watched him getting roasted by clarke on a 15th of feckin january mckenna game. i suppose you could wrap him in cotton wool and only play him in training matches and with a mask on to hide his face
Good match well worth the admission I reckon. Both sets of defences were clean bad. For Armagh nobody in defence really stood out, Feeney did well in the first half which was promising considering he is a forward. McEvoy in nets had a bit of a stinker if I'm honest. Charlie Vernon was good round the middle but died out after about 20 mins, think Down bossed mf for almost the entire second half. Was very impressed with the forwards, I had some reservations but they were put away to a certain extent after tonight. Grugan was excellent, O'Rourke played well and Mallon was brilliant. BJP looked good when he came on, didn't do anything wrong and was IMO part of the reason we went on to win as he brought an extra bit of presence round mf. John Murtagh wasn't great, won and scored a free, other than that didn't really get up to much.
Re McKenna, he certainly wasn't the worst player on the field tonight. His passing was excellent and he could have done a lot worse truth be told.
Way to miss the point.
You don't throw young defenders into the McKenna cup against the best forwards in the country. its entirely different from blooding a forward. you nurture a defenders confidence and build his capacity to deal with better and better forwards - yes in training games. why didn't dyas, martin or duffy pick clarke up?
I want McKenna to be the next kieran mcgeeney but this is not the way to achieve it. He is one of the brighter defensive talents in the county and needs to be better prtected and progressed than that.
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 11:26:35 PM
Way to miss the point.
You don't throw young defenders into the McKenna cup against the best forwards in the country. its entirely different from blooding a forward. you nurture a defenders confidence and build his capacity to deal with better and better forwards - yes in training games. why didn't dyas, martin or duffy pick clarke up?
I want McKenna to be the next kieran mcgeeney but this is not the way to achieve it. He is one of the brighter defensive talents in the county and needs to be better prtected and progressed than that.
Why not GAA surely he'll be marking the likes of Stevie McDonnell et al in Armagh training. He'll learn from it.
Training is the place to learn those lessons against the best in your sphere. make mistakes trying to do the right things where it doesn't matter.
It matters to a 19 year old defender to be making those mistakes in front of 5000 people
Did Deccie get the winning point?
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Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 10:53:37 PM
My initial comment:
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.
Was a criticism of the management. It's particularly difficult for a young defender to come into a county senior team. Much easier for a forward. Young McKenna has plenty of potential but throwing him in there – and putting him on martin Clarke – is shocking stuff. That he didn't light the place up is not his fault.
A poster then asked the question about McKenna's performance. He was v v poor. Again, I don't lay any blame at his door. Should I tell lies to protect your sensibilities?
jaysus sake its the feckin mckenna cup. you're meant to throw in the young lads AND onto players like martin clarke. why not?
he'll hardly be stood on a bridge ringing the samaritans after 3 men and a dog watched him getting roasted by clarke on a 15th of feckin january mckenna game. i suppose you could wrap him in cotton wool and only play him in training matches and with a mask on to hide his face
There was a big crowd in Newry tonight. Not every county is like Derry you know. ;)
I think the important point to make is that defensively Armagh as a unit weren't good enough. As individuals Declan McKenna had a better game than at least one or two of his defensive team-mates. He'll learn and he'll improve. We're a bit stuck for backs at the minute so it may be a steep learning curve but having captained an All Ireland winning team he should have the mentality to handle it.
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Training is the place to learn those lessons against the best in your sphere. make mistakes trying to do the right things where it doesn't matter.
It matters to a 19 year old defender to be making those mistakes in front of 5000 people
He captained Armagh minors to the AI in front of much more - I'm sure he'll cope. Give the man some credit.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Did Deccie get the winning point?
Yes, and a fine score it was.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 15, 2011, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Training is the place to learn those lessons against the best in your sphere. make mistakes trying to do the right things where it doesn't matter.
It matters to a 19 year old defender to be making those mistakes in front of 5000 people
He captained Armagh minors to the AI in front of much more - I'm sure he'll cope. Give the man some credit.
This is getting pedantic. i didn't criticise Declan. the fact that anyone played minor football at the highest level is irrelevent to the learning curve of senior football where the scrutiny and quality is much higher. we need our younger players better managed is my point.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Did Deccie get the winning point?
No - Shorty Clarke
yea shorty got the last two scores...he played really welll
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 11:53:14 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 15, 2011, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: The GAA on January 15, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Training is the place to learn those lessons against the best in your sphere. make mistakes trying to do the right things where it doesn't matter.
It matters to a 19 year old defender to be making those mistakes in front of 5000 people
He captained Armagh minors to the AI in front of much more - I'm sure he'll cope. Give the man some credit.
This is getting pedantic. i didn't criticise Declan. the fact that anyone played minor football at the highest level is irrelevent to the learning curve of senior football where the scrutiny and quality is much higher. we need our younger players better managed is my point.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2011, 11:31:55 PM
Did Deccie get the winning point?
No - Shorty Clarke
no it was decky...shorty got the equiliser. very harsh and decky there the gaa. After getting a so called 'roasting' he didnt do too bad putting that winning score over the bar. give the lad time. lets be honest he's not gona be starting come championship this year with the talent we have in the half back line. this is all just a learning curve for him.
Fair enough pog - was certain it was shotry but i'm sure a clubmate would know.
shortys a clubmate and deckys my mate so had a vested interest in both ;D
Shorty Clarke got an excellent point, probably the equaliser. Well worth a run out again.
I was pleasantly surprised with shorty clarke - showed very well for the ball and there's a good argument for saying he was the difference between the teams at the end
Was at the Armagh Down game and what a fine exhibition of forward play from both sides. A thoroughly enjoyable match which will benefit both teams. As some have already said Clarke and Coulter were superb for Down.
Declan McKenna has been getting some stick on here which I think is surprising as a number of people in the stand around me were commenting how after a slow start he stood up to the plate and showed alot of potential. I also liked that he has the nerve to come up near the end and take the winning score. To me this showed great leadership from a player making his debut. In all Armagh used 7 players in defensive positions and he definitely was nowhere near the worst and on a par with others.
Although many will disagree I thought Armagh played into Down hands for a period ten minutes from the end of the first half and much of the second half. Down played players back and tried to hit Armagh on the break. This left Armagh on many occasions with only two defenders inside the 45. It was like forget about defending just attack.
As for the forwards they all played well. I would say however that Grugan's vision was superb. It is a long time since Armagh have had a player like him.
Is Billy Joe Padden playing for Armagh?
Quote from: Throw ball on January 16, 2011, 01:44:00 AM
Was at the Armagh Down game and what a fine exhibition of forward play from both sides. A thoroughly enjoyable match which will benefit both teams. As some have already said Clarke and Coulter were superb for Down.
Declan McKenna has been getting some stick on here which I think is surprising as a number of people in the stand around me were commenting how after a slow start he stood up to the plate and showed alot of potential. I also liked that he has the nerve to come up near the end and take the winning score. To me this showed great leadership from a player making his debut. In all Armagh used 7 players in defensive positions and he definitely was nowhere near the worst and on a par with others.
Although many will disagree I thought Armagh played into Down hands for a period ten minutes from the end of the first half and much of the second half. Down played players back and tried to hit Armagh on the break. This left Armagh on many occasions with only two defenders inside the 45. It was like forget about defending just attack.
As for the forwards they all played well. I would say however that Grugan's vision was superb. It is a long time since Armagh have had a player like him.
He was my M.O.M
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Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Monaghan have many of their big guns playing? Queen's have any big names?
Sure Finlay and Clerkin are really the only big guns on the entire panel.
Surely Tomas Freeman would fit the bill? Wouldn't really include Dick as a "big gun". What age are those three lads now? Feels if they have been around forever. Must be 30+ Hope you have good youngsters coming through.
What are you talking about? Freeman isn't on the panel. Finlay and Clerkin are the only two on the panel who started last year's Ulster Final. Hence they are the big guns. (And as for Clerkin not being one of Monaghan's 'bug guns', he was our only player on the Ulster All-Stars team last year and was probably our best player.)
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Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Monaghan have many of their big guns playing? Queen's have any big names?
Sure Finlay and Clerkin are really the only big guns on the entire panel.
Surely Tomas Freeman would fit the bill? Wouldn't really include Dick as a "big gun". What age are those three lads now? Feels if they have been around forever. Must be 30+ Hope you have good youngsters coming through.
What are you talking about? Freeman isn't on the panel. Finlay and Clerkin are the only two on the panel who started last year's Ulster Final. Hence they are the big guns. (And as for Clerkin not being one of Monaghan's 'bug guns', he was our only player on the Ulster All-Stars team last year and was probably our best player.)
Ah right didnt know they were the only two on the McKenna cup panel.
Dick was the only player on the "Ulster All-stars"? What are the Ulster All-stars? That Irish news thing? Wouldnt read too much into that if that's what you are referring to. Yeah he's a decent oul player and good worker but nothing more than that.
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Monaghan 0-9 QUB 0-13
Monaghan have many of their big guns playing? Queen's have any big names?
Sure Finlay and Clerkin are really the only big guns on the entire panel.
Surely Tomas Freeman would fit the bill? Wouldn't really include Dick as a "big gun". What age are those three lads now? Feels if they have been around forever. Must be 30+ Hope you have good youngsters coming through.
What are you talking about? Freeman isn't on the panel. Finlay and Clerkin are the only two on the panel who started last year's Ulster Final. Hence they are the big guns. (And as for Clerkin not being one of Monaghan's 'bug guns', he was our only player on the Ulster All-Stars team last year and was probably our best player.)
Ah right didnt know they were the only two on the McKenna cup panel.
Dick was the only player on the "Ulster All-stars"? What are the Ulster All-stars? That Irish news thing? Wouldnt read too much into that if that's what you are referring to. Yeah he's a decent oul player and good worker but nothing more than that.
It's all relative. You asked me if Monaghan had any of
their big guns playing. Clerkin is one of the most important players on Monaghan's team.
ok fair enough. Seeing as Monaghan have quite a few flair players I can see how Dick has more relevance than he would say at Armagh, F'managh or maybe Donegal.
Interesting that he is being used in the McKenna cup, maybe just for fitness reasons.
Quote from: ck on January 16, 2011, 01:59:06 PM
ok fair enough. Seeing as Monaghan have quite a few flair players I can see how Dick has more relevance than he would say at Armagh, F'managh or maybe Donegal.
Interesting that he is being used in the McKenna cup, maybe just for fitness reasons.
I think he just never stops playing. He's one of our players who seems to line out in every competition we play. I doubt he's be struggling for fitness at all.
Also, the idea that he wouldn't make an impression on the Fermanagh or Donegal teams is a bit of a joke, in my opinion.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 16, 2011, 03:03:06 PM
Quote from: ck on January 16, 2011, 01:59:06 PM
ok fair enough. Seeing as Monaghan have quite a few flair players I can see how Dick has more relevance than he would say at Armagh, F'managh or maybe Donegal.
Interesting that he is being used in the McKenna cup, maybe just for fitness reasons.
I think he just never stops playing. He's one of our players who seems to line out in every competition we play. I doubt he's be struggling for fitness at all.
Also, the idea that he wouldn't make an impression on the Fermanagh or Donegal teams is a bit of a joke, in my opinion.
Maguire, would you be the kinda man who always has to win the argument? lol
No-one said he wouldnt make an impression on those teams, I just said he may be more important to Monaghan given that he is surrounded by the likes of flair players like Freeman and Finlay. Other teams substitute this kind of quality with more work horses, like Clerkin.
As a Fermanagh person I think Dick Clerkin is quite underrated and I have no doubt he would walk onto the Fermanagh team, and indeed most teams in the country.
Quote from: ck on January 16, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 16, 2011, 03:03:06 PM
Quote from: ck on January 16, 2011, 01:59:06 PM
ok fair enough. Seeing as Monaghan have quite a few flair players I can see how Dick has more relevance than he would say at Armagh, F'managh or maybe Donegal.
Interesting that he is being used in the McKenna cup, maybe just for fitness reasons.
I think he just never stops playing. He's one of our players who seems to line out in every competition we play. I doubt he's be struggling for fitness at all.
Also, the idea that he wouldn't make an impression on the Fermanagh or Donegal teams is a bit of a joke, in my opinion.
Maguire, would you be the kinda man who always has to win the argument? lol
No-one said he wouldnt make an impression on those teams, I just said he may be more important to Monaghan given that he is surrounded by the likes of flair players like Freeman and Finlay. Other teams substitute this kind of quality with more work horses, like Clerkin.
There's an argument?!
I'm just not sure I understand your logic.
Unfortunetly i didnt get to the Armagh match on Saturday evening. just reading the various posts. Rory Grugan by all accounts had a good game, what did he score and where they from play or frees?
how did Gavin Mc Parland get on?
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 16, 2011, 10:25:04 AM
Is Billy Joe Padden playing for Armagh?
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/gaa/2011/0111/1224287294541.html
Quote from: Onion Bag on January 17, 2011, 09:24:27 AM
Unfortunetly i didnt get to the Armagh match on Saturday evening. just reading the various posts. Rory Grugan by all accounts had a good game, what did he score and where they from play or frees?
how did Gavin Mc Parland get on?
It's not so much the tally he posted that's earning the positive reviews, it was his passing and creativity that set him apart.
And Mc Parland?
Was alright I think. I was up the opposite end of the field in the first half and kept getting him confused with Watters, but the whole FF line saw a fair bit of ball in the first 20 minutes or so when Armagh were on top. When Down came back into it the supply dried up and he was taken off about 10 minutes into the second half. Should see more game time.
McParland kicked a couple of points and looked pretty good on the ball. been a long time since we had so many scoring forwards on the panel
Quote from: gander on January 18, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
McParland kicked a couple of points and looked pretty good on the ball. been a long time since we had so many scoring forwards on the panel
how did padden do?
Tyrone v UUJ tomorrow
1 Jonathan Curran
2 Aidan McCrory
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Martin Swift
5 David Harte
6 Conor Gormley
7 Ryan McMenamin
8 Aidan Cassidy
9 Sean Cavanagh
10 Colm Cavanagh
11 Brian McGuigan
12 Ciaran Girvan
13 Martin Penrose
14 Stephen O'Neill
15 Mark Donnelly
16 Pascal McConnell Pascal Mac Dhónaill An Baile Nua
17 Kyle Coney Kyle Ó Cuana Ard Bó
18 Kevin Hughes Caoimhín Ó hAodha Cill Íseal
19 Damian McCaul Damán Mac Camhaoil Domhnach Mór
20 Enda McGinley Éanna Mag Fhionnaile Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Ronan McNabb Ronan Mac an Aba An Droim Mhór
22 Stephen McNally Stiofán Mac an Fhailí Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Patrick McNiece Padraig Mac Naois Oileán a'Ghuail
24 PJ Quinn P. S. Ó Cuinn Baile na Móna
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
No sign of Brian Toner from th'Island coming through? Was superb at St. Paul's about 3 years ago.
Brian's a decent footballer. Was an excellent minor and was centre half forward for Coalisland this year winning the championship. Might struggle a little for pace at the top level. Has a very good football brain but just hasn't come on as much as we'd have hoped yet anyway. He's still got time on his side. Might struggle though with this crop of good minors from 2008 and 2010
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
No sign of Brian Toner from th'Island coming through? Was superb at St. Paul's about 3 years ago.
Must be a relation of Hardstation.
Aidan mc Crory in corner back, what club is he from
Quote from: Onion Bag on January 19, 2011, 07:27:47 AM
Aidan mc Crory in corner back, what club is he from
EC will tell ye...
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 18, 2011, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: gander on January 18, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
McParland kicked a couple of points and looked pretty good on the ball. been a long time since we had so many scoring forwards on the panel
how did padden do?
I thought he done well, we were getting destroyed at midfield before he came on, always used the ball well. Lavery stepped up his game at that stage too though
Quote from: gander on January 19, 2011, 09:06:45 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 18, 2011, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: gander on January 18, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
McParland kicked a couple of points and looked pretty good on the ball. been a long time since we had so many scoring forwards on the panel
how did padden do?
I thought he done well, we were getting destroyed at midfield before he came on, always used the ball well. Lavery stepped up his game at that stage too though
I read somebody saying somewhere that he did nothing wrong. That about sums it up probably
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2011, 10:25:25 PM
Tyrone v UUJ tomorrow
1 Jonathan Curran
2 Aidan McCrory
3 Cathal McCarron
4 Martin Swift
5 David Harte
6 Conor Gormley
7 Ryan McMenamin
8 Aidan Cassidy
9 Sean Cavanagh
10 Colm Cavanagh
11 Brian McGuigan
12 Ciaran Girvan
13 Martin Penrose
14 Stephen O'Neill
15 Mark Donnelly
16 Pascal McConnell Pascal Mac Dhónaill An Baile Nua
17 Kyle Coney Kyle Ó Cuana Ard Bó
18 Kevin Hughes Caoimhín Ó hAodha Cill Íseal
19 Damian McCaul Damán Mac Camhaoil Domhnach Mór
20 Enda McGinley Éanna Mag Fhionnaile Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Ronan McNabb Ronan Mac an Aba An Droim Mhór
22 Stephen McNally Stiofán Mac an Fhailí Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Patrick McNiece Padraig Mac Naois Oileán a'Ghuail
24 PJ Quinn P. S. Ó Cuinn Baile na Móna
is this game on tv?
How much is admission tonight?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 19, 2011, 11:01:25 AM
How much is admission tonight?
£9 for the ordinary joe and a fiver for students/OAP's Norf.
Is tonight's Armagh match in the Athletic grounds? I understand the fixture list says it is but I was of the understanding that the Athletic grounds is closed until next month?
Quote from: David McKeown on January 19, 2011, 11:19:21 AM
Is tonight's Armagh match in the Athletic grounds? I understand the fixture list says it is but I was of the understanding that the Athletic grounds is closed until next month?
It is meant to be but there is talk of it be moved becuase of the overnight frost and the temperature today. Not sure where to though!
nyone got the odds for tonights games?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 19, 2011, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 19, 2011, 11:19:21 AM
Is tonight's Armagh match in the Athletic grounds? I understand the fixture list says it is but I was of the understanding that the Athletic grounds is closed until next month?
It is meant to be but there is talk of it be moved becuase of the overnight frost and the temperature today. Not sure where to though!
Unsurprising I presume if it is moved we will find out about 7:15 or so
Anyone anywhere know anything definite about Venue and Throw in time for Armagh v Antrim tonight ?
Need to make travel plans asap.
Quote from: Passing_Interest on January 19, 2011, 11:54:36 AM
Anyone anywhere know anything definite about Venue and Throw in time for Armagh v Antrim tonight ?
Need to make travel plans asap.
Athletic Grounds 7.30pm throw in v
St Marys!!
One of the mates has a bet done on the Antrim v Down match the night at Casey so if it is not called off, could some poster from the Board go to the match and do the Latest Scores on it so as to give a bit of a sweat and not just get the end result. Just ignore questions like - Who got the goal?(if there are any) or who is playing well for Antrim/Down as we're all sure that you'll want to watch the match yourself and are doing a favour by putting the scores on the Board and won't want to miss big whacks of play by writing out names and stuff. The paper will be out in the morning with all the scorers and players and a report anyway so they won't have too long to wait and there'll probably be wee reports the night anyway on the internet if they're really that impatient.
Sound.
I'd say the Tyrone game could be in doubt tonight, temp hasn't risen above zero today at all, if you'se hear any word post it ASAP because I need to tell the missus whether I'll have time for spuds or not
Quote from: MR99 on January 19, 2011, 01:59:21 PM
I'd say the Tyrone game could be in doubt tonight, temp hasn't risen above zero today at all, if you'se hear any word post it ASAP because I need to tell the missus whether I'll have time for spuds or not
RTE reporting it as in serious doubt, pitch inspection due
Donegal v Fermanagh off due to frozen pitch
Temp is +6C at Armagh observatory, the Athletic grounds should be OK.
Tyrone match tonight is off
any word on th Derry-Queens match?
Armagh game supposedly called off according to Orchard County
this mckenna cup might not get played at all!!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 19, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
this mckenna cup might not get played at all!!
i was thinking that too!
If tyrone and Fermangh games were going ahead tonight, then it would have been easy to reschedule but not if they are off too!
Are there any games going ahead?
yes armagh game is off
Monaghan V Cavan is off
Rung the Ulster Council there - I was told that the Armagh match is off.
Wednesday 26th January:
Section A Fermanagh v Tyrone at Brewster Park (7.30pm)
Section B Monaghan v Cavan at Inniskeen (7.30pm)
Section C Armagh v St. Mary's at Athletic Grounds (7.30pm)
Saturday 29th January
Section A UUJ v Tyrone at Healy Park (7.00pm)
Donegal v Fermanagh at MacCumhaill Park (7.00pm)
Saturday 29th January
Semi Final: (1) Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B (7.30pm)
Saturday 12th February:
Semi Final: (2) Winner of Section A v 4th Placed Team (7.00pm)
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WTF. On my way out the door and just thought I'd check the board. When was this announced. If I'd fuckin driven to Inniskeen for no match I'd have been mightily f**king annoyed.
Quote from: Lawrence of Knockbride on January 19, 2011, 06:22:53 PM
WTF. On my way out the door and just thought I'd check the board. When was this announced. If I'd fuckin driven to Inniskeen for no match I'd have been mightily f**king annoyed.
Sure you could have had a night out in the big smoke of Inniskeen!
True enough. Check out the MOD's attempts to censor my post. The g makes all the difference. ::)
Footpaths treacherous outside Casey. An oul lad fell there and busted his head open. Ambulance just arriving.
Antrim 0-00 Down 0-00
(Antrim score always on the left for this)
0-01 0-01
0-01 0-02
0-02 0-02
0-02 0-03
0-02 0-04
0-02 0-05
0-02 0-06
Who is scoring for Down?
Quote from: drici on January 19, 2011, 01:24:54 PM
One of the mates has a bet done on the Antrim v Down match the night at Casey so if it is not called off, could some poster from the Board go to the match and do the Latest Scores on it so as to give a bit of a sweat and not just get the end result. Just ignore questions like - Who got the goal?(if there are any) or who is playing well for Antrim/Down as we're all sure that you'll want to watch the match yourself and are doing a favour by putting the scores on the Board and won't want to miss big whacks of play by writing out names and stuff. The paper will be out in the morning with all the scorers and players and a report anyway so they won't have too long to wait and there'll probably be wee reports the night anyway on the internet if they're really that impatient.
Sound.
0-02 0-08
0-03 0-08
Maybe you'll give us a blurb on how the general play is going at half-time when you have a chance - thanks so far
Barrett Sports Dr McKenna Cup Senior Football
Derry 1-01 0-03 Queens, Celtic Park, 7.30pm
Antrim 0-03 0-08 Down, Casement Park, 7.30pm
HE Senior Football League Division 2 Final
Waterford IT 0-05 0-06 IT Tralee, Mallow, 7:30pm
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/01/19/dr-mckenna-cup-senior-football-live-scores-updates-19-01-11/
0-03 0-09
Antrim 0-03 Down 0-09
HT
Two reds.
Tomas McCann and James Colgan away.
Both sides down to 14.
0-04 0-09
0-05 0-10
0-06 0-10
0-07 0-10
Barrett Sports Dr McKenna Cup Senior Football
Press F5 or Refresh for latest updates
Derry 2-05 0-05 Queens, Celtic Park, 7.30pm paddy bradley got second goal
Antrim 0-07 0-10 Down, Casement Park, 7.30pm
HE Senior Football League Division 2 Final
Waterford IT 0-09 0-11 IT Tralee, Mallow, 7:30pm
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/01/19/dr-mckenna-cup-senior-football-live-scores-updates-19-01-11/
0-08 0-10
0-09 0-10
24 minutes gone - 2nd Half
0-10 0-11
0-11 0-11
Come on Antrim!!
0-12 0-11
Did Down go home at half time?
Windy night and Down had the better player sent off
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Windy night and Down had the better player sent off
Colgan better than McCann?? Good joke.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Windy night and Down had the better player sent off
No bias against Cargin at all there.
touchy lads aren't we ;D ;D ;D
Level - in injury time
12 12 clarke levels it
All over finishes 12 - 12
Cheers lads for all the updates, much appreciate it!!
No good for the bet!! keeps Antrim top on score difference i think
So, who was doing the scoring?
great work lads thanks for the updates. wee james wont be happy. thats 2 games in a row down have given away big leads. who were the stars on each team?
they were 8 1 down against armagh
Quote from: superblues on January 19, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
they were 8 1 down against armagh
And they were something like 2-10 to 0-11 up aswell
Quote from: superblues on January 19, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
they were 8 1 down against armagh
they were also 5/6pts up with 10mins to go against armagh
At Celtic Park goals in either half helped Derry take a 2-15 to 0-6 win over Queens University Belfast
The hosts led 1-4 to 0-4 at half-time, with Sean Leo McGoldrick netting the Oak Leafers goal.
Paddy Bradley netted a second 'major' for John Brennan's charges on the restart.
Derry's momentum continued into the final quarter as the Oak Leafers claimed back-to-back McKenna Cup wins.
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2011, 09:33:41 PM
One we left behind. Thought Higgins denied us a certain free at the death. Stupid ball from Aidso Gallagher for their equaliser. Antrim were shit in the 1st half but Down hit some great points. Down went to sleep in the 2nd and Paddy Cunningham had a blinder. Two definite sendings off. Two lads digging in the middle of the pitch with nobody near them.
Any other stupid balls for the other 11 points?
Touchy lads aren't we? :D
Paddy Cunningham must have scored 10 points (8 from frees says a lot about Down's defending) for Aontroim.Marty Clarke, despite looking disinterested , scored 4 for Down, Murtagh, Lavery, Pete Fitzpatrick, Danny Hughes (MOM) and Mc Kernan also scored for Down.
Quote from: Beo on January 19, 2011, 07:03:37 PM
Footpaths treacherous outside Casey. An oul lad fell there and busted his head open. Ambulance just arriving.
Rumour in the stand was that the Poland's grandfather had passed away out side the ground, thus the reason why they were taken down the tunnel minutes before throw in. Heard Eddie Hearney was taken outside to work on him.
Antrim 0-12 0-12 Down
Marty Clarke saved Down's blushes as they secured a late draw with Antrim in the Dr McKenna Cup after the Mourne men had led by six points at half-time. Down led by 0-9 to 0-3 at half-time, with Clarke and Ambrose Rogers leading the charge for James McCartan's side. Both sides were reduced to 14 men early in the second half as James Colgan and Tomas McCann got straight red cards.Paddy Cunningham's points helped Antrim lead with seven minutes left but Clarke's late score ensured the draw. Colgan and McCann received their marching orders after being involved in an off-the-ball incident. Antrim defender Tony Scullion was forced off in the closing stages by injury. The draw moves Antrim to the top of the Section C with three points while Down are on one point after two games.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9367394.stm
Published: 2011/01/19 21:03:57 GMT
© BBC 2011
BBC know a good midfielder when they see one.Mind you Ambrose on crutches could have added something to Down's second half performance.
Derry 2-15 0-6 Queen's
Derry moved into a strong position to qualify for the Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals by hammering Queen's at Celtic Park on Wednesday night. Oak Leaf keeper Donal Devlin saved James Kielt's early penalty before Sean Leo McGoldrick lobbed in Derry's opening goal in the ninth minute. Charlie Kielt hit three QUB points as Derry led 1-4 to 0-4 at half-time. QUB goalkeeper Peter Graham dropped a Paddy Bradley free into his own net on 37 minutes as Derry took control. Playing against his own county team-mates, James Kielt struck his third-minute penalty well but Derry keeper Devlin produced a superb save. McGoldrick lobbed in Derry's opening goal in the ninth minute and Derry's other first-half scores came from Declan Mullan (two) plus Paddy Bradley and Conleth Gilligan. Charlie Kielt notched three first-half points for the students while Ryan Jones notched the visitors' other opening-period score. Derry were firmly in control two minutes after the restart as keeper Graham dropped Bradley's 45 over his own goal-line. The goal appeared to deflate the students as Derry took complete control. QUB went close to notching a consolation goal as PD Savage hit the Derry crossbar with three minutes left.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9367397.stm
Published: 2011/01/19 21:09:37 GMT
© BBC 2011
Four McKenna Cup games postponed
Tyrone's Barrett Dr McKenna Cup opener against UUJ was called off because of a frozen pitch as were the games at Ballybofey, Armagh and Inniskeen. Donegal were set to face Fermanagh at Ballybofey with Monaghan hosting Cavan at Inniskeen and Armagh taking on St Mary's at the Athletic Grounds. That left Derry's clash against Queen's and Antrim v Down as the only games still on. The competition will not now be completed before the start of the NFL. A revised fixtures list announced by the Ulster Council has the second semi-final not taking place until Saturday 12 February with no date yet arranged for the final. The National League starts on the weekend of 5/6 February. Tyrone's had been scheduled to make an emotional return to action after Michaela McAreavey's tragic death. Derry face Queen's at Celtic Park with both teams on maximum points after opening wins over Cavan and Monaghan. Conleth Gilligan hit five points from play in the 1-12 to 1-10 win over Cavan while Paddy Bradley also was in fine form. Queen's Charlie Kielt will be in action against his county team-mates after starring in the 0-13 to 0-9 win over Monaghan, where Niall McKenna also impressed. Liam Doyle could also see more action for Down against Antrim at Casement Park after coming on as a late substitute in Sunday's narrow defeat by Armagh. Doyle had been out of action at county level for over two years because of serious knee injuries. Mark Sweeney and Dean O'Neill produced impressive debuts for Antrim in Saturday's win over St Mary's and could get more game time against the Mourne County. The McCann brothers Tomas and Michael could earn starts after not being involved against St Mary's.
Dr McKenna Cup revised fixtures
Saturday 22 January (1900)
Section A
UUJ v Fermanagh (Brewster Park)
Section B
QUB v Cavan (Breffni Park)
Section C
St Mary's v Down (Pairc Esler)
Sunday 23 January (1400)
Section A
Tyrone v Donegal (Healy Park)
Section B
Derry v Monaghan (Celtic Park)
Section C
Armagh v Antrim at (Athletic Grounds)
Wednesday 26th January (1930)
Section A
Fermanagh v Tyrone (Brewster Park)
Section B
Monaghan v Cavan at (Inniskeen)
Section C
Armagh v St Mary's (Athletic Grounds)
Saturday 29 January (1900 unless stated)
Section A
UUJ v Tyrone (Healy Park)
Donegal v Fermanagh (MacCumhaill Park)
Semi-Final:
Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B (1930)
Saturday 12 February (1900)
Semi-Final:
Winner of Section A v fourth placed team
Final TBC
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9365804.stm
Published: 2011/01/19 17:03:44 GMT
© BBC 2011
Anyone at the Antrim - Down game with a comment on how Dean O'Neill played on his Antrim debut?
Did they have him lined out at half foward? I'm sure its posted somewhere, but I can't be arsed looking.
He definitely is a tidy wing back for sure.
So is Sean Kelly just done with the county for good then? Seems like he would have 2-4 years left at least.
How does o'neill qualify to play for antrim? Is he transferred clubs?
Quote from: Uladh on January 20, 2011, 10:47:49 PM
How does o'neill qualify to play for antrim? Is he transferred clubs?
It was reported that he is eligible because he's living in Belfast. No club move as far as I know.
That cannt be right? Surely that's not sufficient to change your county?
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
What are the chance Omagh will be playable on Sun? Any sign of a thaw in the afternoons up there?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
I find this one strange considering he is still playing with Omagh.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 21, 2011, 07:00:00 AM
What are the chance Omagh will be playable on Sun? Any sign of a thaw in the afternoons up there?
There hasn't been much of a thaw here the last few days although the forecast says it's going to get milder over ther weekend so game should go ahead.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
I find this one strange considering he is still playing with Omagh.
A few Antrim ladies were playing with Bredagh in Co Down a couple of years ago. Seems to be permitted alright.
Quote from: hardstation on January 21, 2011, 09:27:26 AM
COLLIE HOLMES...........................
KIERAN MCGEENEY.....................
CIARAN HERRON.....................
ETC
ETC
They all played for their 'home' county, whilst playing for different clubs...
Stefan White played in a few different counties to where he lived!
The likes of white and padden change club to be able to play in their adopted county.
Are either of O'Neill's parents from antrim? given the clare example, i think that would allow him to play?
All the Culloville and Cullyhanna boys that played for Cross!
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 21, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
The likes of white and padden change club to be able to play in their adopted county.
Are either of O'Neill's parents from antrim? given the clare example, i think that would allow him to play?
i think clare were only allowed to use parentage because they were designated as a 'weak' county, i couldn't see antrim getting away with that now, especially as they are in division 2
I think a weak county is framed as one which has not won a provincial title in ten years?
That being so, anyone outside of armagh & tyrone could avail of it.
There's no provision for residency to qualify a player for a county transfer?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
Can you name any Dublin footballer who came from another county but did not join a Dublin football club?
edit: to clarify football only, as 2 clubs have often been allowed for dual codes
Quote from: western exile on January 21, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
Can you name any Dublin player who came from another county but did not join a Dublin club?
Larry Stanley
Morrissey hurled for dublin and played club hurling in kilkenny
Who did Ciaran Barr hurl for when he moved to Dublin?
Was there a fella called Aidan Morris who did something similar a few years back?I think he played for Newtownstewart and Antrim
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 21, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 21, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
Can you name any Dublin player who came from another county but did not join a Dublin club?
Larry Stanley
Dublin credentials questionable ??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Stanley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Stanley)
Quote from: western exile on January 21, 2011, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 21, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 21, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Living and working in Belfast apparently. Its obviously allowed otherwise he wouldn't be playing. Dublin teams have had players from all over the country playing for them
Can you name any Dublin player who came from another county but did not join a Dublin club?
Larry Stanley
Dublin credentials questionable ??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Stanley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Stanley)
He won an All-Ireland with Kildare in 1919 and with Dublin in 1923. Pretty certain he never lined out for a Dublin club. He also competed in the high-jump at the 1924 Olympics.
Who was the keeper that played for Burren in the 1980s/90s and also donegal?
Quote from: Big Puff on January 21, 2011, 08:35:11 PM
Who was the keeper that played for Burren in the 1980s/90s and also donegal?
Was it Callaghan?
QuoteWho was the keeper that played for Burren in the 1980s/90s and also donegal?
Gary Walsh
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=48453
Quote from: armaghniac on January 21, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
QuoteWho was the keeper that played for Burren in the 1980s/90s and also donegal?
Gary Walsh
http://www.hoganstand.com/Donegal/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=48453
thanks
good article
None of which have any relevance as they seem to be men playing for their home county, but different clubs, whereas O'Neill is playing for his home club, but not his home county, if I'm not mistaken...
Quote from: hardstation on January 21, 2011, 11:00:22 PM
Ya see, the whole thing is up in the air given the hooring and touring of some of these lads.
O'Neill is living in Belfast and playing with Antrim. Might be able to go home and play for Omagh at the weekend.
Collie Holmes living in Armagh, can make it to Omagh to train with Tyrone but can't make it to the Moy to play club football.
was there not a falling out between holmes and moy?
Quote from: hardstation on January 21, 2011, 11:00:22 PM
Ya see, the whole thing is up in the air given the hooring and touring of some of these lads.
O'Neill is living in Belfast and playing with Antrim. Might be able to go home and play for Omagh at the weekend.
Collie Holmes living in Armagh, can make it to Omagh to train with Tyrone but can't make it to the Moy to play club football.
eh, are you deliberately missing the point?
To move county, you must play club football in your adopted county?
I think we have given plenty of examples. Think if the lad turns out to be a cracker he'll be back playing for Tyrone.
Have u given any examples of players who have changed county without moving to a club in the new county?
By your reasoning, any player can play for any county as long as they come up with an address there?
Quote from: Uladh on January 22, 2011, 09:57:04 AM
Have u given any examples of players who have changed county without moving to a club in the new county?
By your reasoning, any player can play for any county as long as they come up with an address there?
Gareth Smith
Oliver Plunketts in Dublin
and Cavan Senior Football Panel.
4 lads from other counties have been called into the Clare Football panel.
Fermanagh vs UUJ off.
Frozen pitch.
The competition is turning into a mess. No chance they could try and play that game tomorrow with warmer weather forecast? Hopefully the tempatures rise and the Tyrone game can go ahead tomorrow.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 22, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
The competition is turning into a mess. No chance they could try and play that game tomorrow with warmer weather forecast? Hopefully the tempatures rise and the Tyrone game can go ahead tomorrow.
I concur.
Call tournament off now and award the trophy to antrim.
And nobody will care about any of the games once the league starts - the only reason there is any interest whatsoever is to try out new players before the league.
Not sure about that, I think the 2004 final betwen Tyrone and Donegal was played later in the year with 15,000 turning up for the final. Certainly think Tyrone would be happy to win it no matter when its finished.
Gareth Smith
Oliver Plunketts in Dublin
and Cavan Senior Football Panel.
4 lads from other counties have been called into the Clare Football panel.
So you're saying O'Neill has parents from antrim as those 5 have in their adopted county?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 22, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
The competition is turning into a mess. No chance they could try and play that game tomorrow with warmer weather forecast? Hopefully the tempatures rise and the Tyrone game can go ahead tomorrow.
there is chat of trying to play the game tomorrow
Fermanagh vs UUJ game has been switched to the 3G Pitch in Breffini at 4 tomorrow
Very foggy in Cavan at moment i would be worried about chances of tonights game going ahead.
Down v St. Marys scheduled for tonight in Newry has been cancelled and will now be played tomorrow at 2pm.
Good man MDG- saved me a trip from Belfast.Somebody should contact the BBC with these changes. Suppose i might as well do it.
QuoteCeo i gCondae an Chabháin
http://drumlinmedia.com/
Aye, looks like a quare fog closing in on those live pictures.
anyone know if queens v cavan game is still on
Yes it's on
Cavan 0-02 Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde 0-04
Ollscoil down to 14 men.
Foggy.
Great mobile phone reception with the 3G pitch.
Cavan 0-06 Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde 0-04
Half Time
anymore updates drici, thanks
Cavan 0-09 Ollscoil 0-04
Cavan won by 5.
Cavan 0-12 Ollscoil Bhéal Feirsde 1-04
Queens goal scored by Niall Mc Kenna , 500 fans in attendance .
Anybody got tonights teams, QUB in particular
thanks lad
Tyrone game deffered to 4pm tomorrow. Pitch inspection due at 12.
Quote from: laceer on January 21, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
Was there a fella called Aidan Morris who did something similar a few years back?I think he played for Newtownstewart and Antrim
From memory Aidy transferred to St Johns when he played for Antrim , a fine footballer who took no prisoners on the pitch but was a gentleman off it
Totally. played against him once or twice. dig in the mouth was normal before game started
Quote from: viiv on January 22, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
Tyrone game deffered to 4pm tomorrow. Pitch inspection due at 12.
Time to engage the undersoil heating firms in the West.
Current temps 1am
Armagh Air Temperature: +2.7C
Castlederg +0.5C
no big freeze tonight then.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9370888.stm
Cavan 0-12 1-4 Queen's
Cavan's first competitive outing on their new 3G pitch at Breffni Park was a winning one as they earned a 0-12 to 1-4 win over 14-man Queen's.
Queen's raced into a 0-4 to 0-1 lead in the Barrett Dr McKenna Cup clash with Charlie Kielt, Joe O'Kane, Cathal Crilly and Niall McKenna on target.
However, Joe O'Brien's red card was followed by four Ronan Flanagan points as Cavan led 0-6 to 0-4 at half-time.
Niall McKenna's goal was QUB's only score in the second half.
It was Val Andrews' first win since returning for his second stint with Cavan.
The result ends Queen's McKenna Cup campaign after their opening win over Monaghan and midweek defeat by Derry.
The Oak Leafers will clinch a semi-final place if they beat or draw against Monaghan at Celtic Park on Sunday.
Tyrone v Donegal
Pitch inspection at 1.30. not looking good at the minute
Where is the Armagh match today?
The ulster council website yesterday were saying Cross and its now saying the Athletic Grounds.
It's all very well organised.
Armagh match in Athletic Grounds at 2
Armagh game is on!
Almost certain game won't be played in Healy Park. Other possible pitches being considered as far as I know.
Not a lot of help for people travelling from Belfast. Is there no thaw at all in Omagh?
3pm in Edendork.
Teamtalk:
QuoteTyrone Match Off In Omagh And Moved To Edendork.
January 23, 2011
By editor
Tyrone's Mc Kenna Cup match against Donegal has been moved from Omagh to Edendork due to a frozen pitch. The game will now start at three pm and not four as originally advertised. Please take note of change of time and venue
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 23, 2011, 12:28:29 PM
3pm in Edendork. Can anyone confirm?
highland radio just announced it there
BBC is saying 4.00 in Omagh.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 23, 2011, 12:42:09 PM
BBC is saying 4.00 in Omagh.
Well if the BBC says... ::)
And RTE.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9370615.stm
Cheers man.
I haven't been to Edendork since Leavin Tyrone in my minor days. Could someone help menout with directions from Belfast. I vaguely rem it being out towards coalisland once you leave dungannon?
That's exactly it. If going through Dungannon head to Coalisland. It's along that road. Or come off at Junction 14 on M1, head to Coalisland and turn left for Dungannon at the end of that road.
This is a farce. Change the venue, taking it further from the Donegal fans, and bring the time forward with a few hours notice. Ridiculous.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 23, 2011, 01:21:36 PM
This is a farce. Change the venue, taking it further from the Donegal fans, and bring the time forward with a few hours notice. Ridiculous.
It is indeed. Will not be able to make
It now.
Suppose at this stage they just had to do anything to try and get the game played. Only criticism is they should have acted quicker in changing the venue,Im sure it was obvious from early on that Omagh wasn't playable. The game had to be brought forward as no lights in Edendork.
Anyone at Down-St Mary's that could provide updates?
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 23, 2011, 02:15:13 PM
Anyone at Down-St Mary's that could provide updates?
Down 1-8 St Marys 0-1 latest score
Down 2-9 St Marys 0-5
Who got the Down goals?
Full time from Newry
Down 2-13 St Marys 0-6
Armagh v Antrim was a big a bag of shite, woeful game, Antrim very deserving winners and looked to be generally a lot more interested. 1-13 to 12 at the end I think.
Young Grugan had a very good game, bu the MOTM IMO was Dyas, had a fantastic game, involved in everything good about Armagh, The HB line was probably the best functioning unit of the team, I didn't see the game last week v Down but Deccie obviously has came on from it, very solid game, Vernon solid enough too with a fantastic point in the first half. Paul duffy bombed forward to good effect but he forgot about his defensive duties for most of the game. MF usual mix of good and bad, anything good contributed by Lavery. A lot of the forwards were very quiet, but Watters contributed rightly. The subs used made no impact (bar Anto), Stevie, nippy, Anto Duffy & Gareth O'Neill were used.
Dont know if i'll bother with St marys after that tbh.
Is that Antrim v Derry in the 1st semi then?
Good for Antrim to beat a second string Armagh team. Baker has used his squad well. extra game before the league will do them no harm.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2011, 05:24:31 PM
Good for Antrim to beat a second string Armagh team. Baker has used his squad well. extra game before the league will do them no harm.
I thought I read this wouldn't be finished before the league started, maybe not.
Real curates egg of a game. Tyrone raced into a 7 point lead then failed to score for nearly 20min. Sean and Cass not physical enough in MF which transformed when Hub n Enda went in at start of 2nd half. Brian McG was MoM by a mile. Enda next best.
Sean good in parts but still looks a yard short pacewise of where he was b4 the ankle knack. Colm Cav deserved red. Stoopid action.
Overall a positve performance. Improved immensely winning possession in second half whereas we were very poor with break ball in first half. Don't think we won more than 2. Dooher still not replaced.
Looked great sweeping forward from the back but also made a lot of poor choices when we got too within 30 yrds. If we had taken better options we could easily have won by 6 or 7.
Donegal still playin same handpass game.
McCarron did very well at FB and may present Justy the chance to go into MF.
None of the debutantes did much noticeable.
McCrory roasted by mcFadden and Dermy a mile off Lacey.
Donegal very cynical. Fouling incessantly between the 2 half back lines to stop Tyrone momentum.
Glad it's all started again, roll on rest of 2011.....
Quote from: Minder on January 23, 2011, 05:26:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2011, 05:24:31 PM
Good for Antrim to beat a second string Armagh team. Baker has used his squad well. extra game before the league will do them no harm.
I thought I read this wouldn't be finished before the league started, maybe not.
Semi-final probably before the league.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 23, 2011, 04:40:06 PM
Armagh v Antrim was a big a bag of shite, woeful game, Antrim very deserving winners and looked to be generally a lot more interested. 1-13 to 12 at the end I think.
Young Grugan had a very good game, bu the MOTM IMO was Dyas, had a fantastic game, involved in everything good about Armagh, The HB line was probably the best functioning unit of the team, I didn't see the game last week v Down but Deccie obviously has came on from it, very solid game, Vernon solid enough too with a fantastic point in the first half. Paul duffy bombed forward to good effect but he forgot about his defensive duties for most of the game. MF usual mix of good and bad, anything good contributed by Lavery. A lot of the forwards were very quiet, but Watters contributed rightly. The subs used made no impact (bar Anto), Stevie, nippy, Anto Duffy & Gareth O'Neill were used.
Dont know if i'll bother with St marys after that tbh.
Ah you know you will - and we'll be waiting on your report!
Quote from: bennydorano on January 23, 2011, 04:40:06 PM
Armagh v Antrim was a big a bag of shite, woeful game, Antrim very deserving winners and looked to be generally a lot more interested. 1-13 to 12 at the end I think.
Young Grugan had a very good game, bu the MOTM IMO was Dyas, had a fantastic game, involved in everything good about Armagh, The HB line was probably the best functioning unit of the team, I didn't see the game last week v Down but Deccie obviously has came on from it, very solid game, Vernon solid enough too with a fantastic point in the first half. Paul duffy bombed forward to good effect but he forgot about his defensive duties for most of the game. MF usual mix of good and bad, anything good contributed by Lavery. A lot of the forwards were very quiet, but Watters contributed rightly. The subs used made no impact (bar Anto), Stevie, nippy, Anto Duffy & Gareth O'Neill were used.
Dont know if i'll bother with St marys after that tbh.
I'd agree with all of that benny, thought Dyas and Grugan were superb. Seemed to be a tactic to work the ball to Dyas for him to carry it out of defence and his distribution was top drawer. Also thought that Lavery did well. The goal was a very poor one to concede, Philly McEvoy seems to have taken a big dip in form and confidence.
I'd have thought today would've been the day to give a few more of our established stars some game time before the league. Dunno what value A Mallon, C McKeever and a few others will get out of a game against St Mary's. Stevie looks like he would benefit from a bit more time on the pitch. The Dubs hit the ground running last year, we'll need to be a good bit sharper in a couple of weeks time.
Tyrone 1-13 0-13 Donegal
Mickey Harte was in the Tyrone dugout as the Red Hands defeated Donegal 1-13 to 0-13 in the Barrett Dr McKenna Cup on an emotional day at Edendork. A minute's silence in memory of the Tyrone manager's late daughter Michaela was held before the start. A Mark Donnelly goal helped Tyrone to a 1-6 to 0-2 lead but Donegal hit eight straight points to lead at the break. Colm Cavanagh was sent-off before the break and Donegal's Neil McGee was then dismissed before Tyrone took over. After Donnelly's goal helped Tyrone lead by seven, Daniel McLaughlin, Dermot Molloy and Karl Lacey all contributed two points as Donegal moved ahead by the interval. Cavanagh received his straight red card in first-half stoppage time as tempers flared. McGee was sent-off soon after the restart and, with parity in playing numbers restored, Tyrone bossed the remainder of the contest. Ryan McMenamin, Brian McGuigan and Aidan Cassidy were among Tyrone's second-half scorers in a game moved to Edendork after a morning pitch inspection at Healy Park.
Meanwhile, Hugh Brady's late point earned Fermanagh a 0-14 to 1-11 draw against UUJ on a game played on Kingspan Breffni Park's 3G pitch. Mattie Donnelly's goal helped the students lead 1-8 to 0-7 at the interval. Fermanagh responded to level midway through the second half before UUJ edged ahead again. But Brady's late point ensured a share of the spoils as Fermanagh earned a draw in John O'Neill's first competitive game since taking the Erne County job. The Erne men face Tyrone at Brewster Park on Wednesday before taking on Donegal at Ballybofey next Saturday. UUJ have one point from their opening two games and they complete their Section A campaign against Tyrone at Omagh on Saturday.
Section A
Tyrone 1-13 0-13 Donegal
UUJ 1-12 0-15 Fermanagh
Section B
Derry 1-21 1-12 Monaghan
Section C
Armagh 0-12 1-12 Antrim
Down 2-13 0-06 St Mary's
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9371167.stm
Published: 2011/01/23 16:49:31 GMT
Report from the teamtalkmag team http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=1651
Armagh 0-12 1-12 Antrim
Antrim secured a place in the Barrett McKenna Cup semi-finals as they edged out Armagh at the Athletic Grounds. The game's only goal came on six minutes as Armagh keeper Philip McEvoy allowed Mark Sweeney's long ball to slip through his grasp. Antrim led 1-5 to 0-5 at half-time and while Armagh cut the margin to a single point, the Saffrons pulled away again. CJ McGourty compiled 0-4 for Antrim with Kevin Niblock hitting 0-3 while Rory Grugan notched 0-3 for Armagh. The game's only goal came as McEvoy, under pressure from McGourty, failed to hold Sweeney's high ball. Armagh responded with three unanswered points - including two Grugan efforts - but the Saffrons responded with Paddy Cunningham, McGourty and Niblock all on target before the interval. Points from Conor Clarke and Grugan cut Antrim's lead to the minimum early in the second half but scores from Cunningham, Niblock and McGourty put distance between the teams again. Steven McDonnell was introduced as a substitute in the second half and managed to notch an Armagh point. The Ireland International Rules had a late shot at goal but the ball was blocked as the Saffrons held on for a three-point success. Despite the defeat, Armagh are not yet out of contention for a semi-final place as they face St Mary's at the Athletic Grounds on Wednesday night.
In Sunday's other Section C clash, John Clarke bagged a goal in either half as Down earned a comprehensive 2-13 to 0-6 win over St Mary's at Pairc Esler. Despite being without John's brother Marty, the hosts continued their excellent form of recent weeks with a strong display against the Sigerson Cup contenders. Mark Poland led the charge as top-scorer as James McCartan's side never looked troubled. Clarke's first goal helped the Mourne County take a 1-8 to 0-3 interval lead. The Down forward hit his second goal shortly after the restart and St Mary's offered little resistance as the Mourne County kept alive their slim hopes of earning a place in the semi-finals. St Mary's cannot progress to the semi-final even though they still have a group game against Armagh on Wednesday.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9371214.stm
Published: 2011/01/23 17:41:09 GMT
Derry 1-21 1-12 Monaghan
Derry secured a place in the Barrett Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals as they earned a comfortable win over Monaghan. The Oak Leafers led 0-8 to 0-7 after a competitive first half but five unanswered points after the break put John Brennan's side in control. Conleth Gilligan hit 1-6 for Derry including his 50th-minute goal while Paddy Bradley notched 0-7. Eoin Duffy scored Monaghan' goal on 56 while Paul Finlay hit 0-9 but had a late penalty saved by Danny Devlin.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9371154.stm
Published: 2011/01/23 16:16:52 GMT
Cavan 0-12 1-4 Queen's
Cavan's first competitive outing on their new 3G pitch at Breffni Park was a winning one as they earned a 0-12 to 1-4 win over 14-man Queen's. Queen's raced into a 0-4 to 0-1 lead in the Barrett Dr McKenna Cup clash with Charlie Kielt, Joe O'Kane, Cathal Crilly and Niall McKenna on target. However, Joe O'Brien's red card was followed by four Ronan Flanagan points as Cavan led 0-6 to 0-4 at half-time. Niall McKenna's goal was QUB's only score in the second half. It was Val Andrews' first win since returning for his second stint with Cavan. The result ends Queen's McKenna Cup campaign after their opening win over Monaghan and midweek defeat by Derry. The Oak Leafers will clinch a semi-final place if they beat or draw against Monaghan at Celtic Park on Sunday.
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9370888.stm
Published: 2011/01/22 21:23:58 GMT
Footage from Down V Antrim draw earlier in week:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9367880.stm
Anyone know where you can see the tables
Quote from: hassletravel on January 23, 2011, 09:18:45 PM
Anyone know where you can see the tables
Section A P W D L PTS For Ag
Tyrone 1 1 0 0 2 16 13 1.230
Donegal 2 1 0 1 2 27 26 1.038
Fermanagh 1 0 1 0 1 15 15 1.000
UUJ 2 0 1 1 1 25 29 0.862
Section B P W D L PTS For Ag
Derry 3 3 0 0 6 59 34 1.735
Cavan 2 1 0 1 2 25 22 1.136
QUB 3 1 0 2 2 26 42 0.619
Monaghan 2 0 0 2 0 24 37 0.648
Section C P W D L PTS For Ag
Antrim 3 2 1 0 5 45 33 1.363
Down 3 1 1 1 3 48 39 1.230
Armagh 2 1 0 1 2 33 35 0.942
St Mary's 2 0 0 2 0 15 37 0.405
Harte thanks well-wishers after win
http://www.u.tv/Sport/Tyrone-oust-Donegal-in-McKenna-Cup/4335fb21-1c3a-4527-a1c4-6b28fbf6dd36
And:
Mickey Harte speaks of his gratitude to the community after making his return to the Tyrone team in Edendork
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9371167.stm
Doire won the toss.
Celtic Park 7-00pm. Oidhche Shathairn.
(Or watch it on the teilifís in Casey)
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Quote from: Orior on January 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Ulster Council are insisting on a place for Armagh in the Semi Finals at the moment.
Date: Saturday 29th Jan 2011
Barrett Sports Lighting
Dr McKenna Cup Playoffs Semi Final 7 00 PM Celtic Park Derry --- v Armagh --- Gavin Corrigan http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/?compID=2479&leagueTable=y
Any more word on the Fermanagh Tyrone game being switched to tomorrow night???
is it on tv hardstation? what channel?
Quote from: FermGael on January 24, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
Any more word on the Fermanagh Tyrone game being switched to tomorrow night???
where are you getting that Fermgael
Quote from: Orior on January 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Too soon to say as there is a backlog of games in Section A
The 2nd semi final will be
Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal versus. Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal / Cavan / Monaghan
The loser of Cavan v. Monaghan is out of it with the winner in with a chance of making the semi on scoring average.
Quote from: western exile on January 24, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Too soon to say as there is a backlog of games in Section A
The 2nd semi final will be
Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal versus. Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal / Cavan / Monaghan
The loser of Cavan v. Monaghan is out of it with the winner in with a chance of making the semi on scoring average.
Monaghan have no points. They can't qualify for the semi finals, regardless of how their last game goes. A big win for Armagh over St. Mary's could push them into the reckoning.
Quote from: Cde on January 24, 2011, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 24, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
Any more word on the Fermanagh Tyrone game being switched to tomorrow night???
where are you getting that Fermgael
it was mentioned in todays Irish News
Quote from: AFS on January 24, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 24, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Too soon to say as there is a backlog of games in Section A
The 2nd semi final will be
Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal versus. Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal / Cavan / Monaghan
The loser of Cavan v. Monaghan is out of it with the winner in with a chance of making the semi on scoring average.
Monaghan have no points. They can't qualify for the semi finals, regardless of how their last game goes. A big win for Armagh over St. Mary's could push them into the reckoning.
Sure if they only managed 12 points against a weakened Antrim team then they'll hardly get a "big score" Against St Mary's :D
Quote from: J OGorman on January 24, 2011, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Cde on January 24, 2011, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 24, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
Any more word on the Fermanagh Tyrone game being switched to tomorrow night???
where are you getting that Fermgael
it was mentioned in todays Irish News
radio ulster has it for wednesday night as normal
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2011, 04:23:44 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 24, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 24, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Too soon to say as there is a backlog of games in Section A
The 2nd semi final will be
Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal versus. Tyrone / Fermanagh / Donegal / Cavan / Monaghan
The loser of Cavan v. Monaghan is out of it with the winner in with a chance of making the semi on scoring average.
Monaghan have no points. They can't qualify for the semi finals, regardless of how their last game goes. A big win for Armagh over St. Mary's could push them into the reckoning.
Sure if they only managed 12 points against a weakened Antrim team then they'll hardly get a "big score" Against St Mary's :D
Not sure what point you're trying to make. That weakened Antrim team is considerably better than St. Mary's. Looking at results in that section to date, Armagh can reasonably target a win in the region of 10 points on Wednesday night.
Quote from: Cde on January 24, 2011, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 24, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
Any more word on the Fermanagh Tyrone game being switched to tomorrow night???
where are you getting that Fermgael
Is was in the Iirsh news today.
Possible switch because they are expecting more frost on wednesday night
According to hill16.ie the o Byrne shield final is on Saturday evening On TG4 and not the McKenna cup
SATURDAY 29 JANUARY
7:15pm GAA Beo coverage begins
Live coverage of the O'Byrne Shield Final from Parnell Park.
Dublin v Meath or Laois (winners of tomorrow nights semi-final in Páirc Tailteann).
Live from Parnell Park (Throw-in time: 7:30pm)
Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary and analysis by Mac Dara Mac Donncha and Coman Goggins.
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.Derry V Antrim, McKenna Cup semi final will be on live on TG4 this Saturday at 7pm.
about 2 hours ago via web
Not what Club Aontroma was expecting.
Derry v Antrim in Celtic park, with the packed terraces it would be like watching an Irish League game!
Anyone know why O'Neill and Gormley couldn't play on Sun?
Some good performances so far from young Tyrone players at the Universities, Mattie Donnelly has been brilliant so far and so has Kevin Mossey and I see Jason McAnulla top scored against Donegal for UUJ, from half back if I am mistaken. Dean O'Neill seems to be doing well too.
Quote from: drici on January 24, 2011, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 24, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Who is favourite for the fourth semi-final place?
Ulster Council are insisting on a place for Armagh in the Semi Finals at the moment.
Date: Saturday 29th Jan 2011
Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup Playoffs Semi Final 7 00 PM Celtic Park Derry --- v Armagh --- Gavin Corrigan
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/?compID=2479&leagueTable=y
i can't believe gavin corrigan is getting intercounty games - a tube
Gormley was'nt playing because he had a family bereavement and O'Neill has a slight hamstring problem that requires rest.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on January 25, 2011, 09:04:10 AM
Gormley was'nt playing because he had a family bereavement and O'Neill has a slight hamstring problem that requires rest.
When you hear O'Neill and slight hamstring problem, that's a worry!
Tyrone make 8 changes for the Fermanagh game
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=1707
Quote from: drici on January 24, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
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.Derry V Antrim, McKenna Cup semi final will be on live on TG4 this Saturday at 7pm.
about 2 hours ago via web
Not what Club Aontroma was expecting.
Not live now according to Antrim website.
Quote from: drici on January 24, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
SATURDAY 29 JANUARY
7:15pm GAA Beo coverage begins
Live coverage of the O'Byrne Shield Final from Parnell Park.
Dublin v Meath or Laois (winners of tomorrow nights semi-final in Páirc Tailteann).
Live from Parnell Park (Throw-in time: 7:30pm)
Presented by Micheál Ó Domhnaill with commentary and analysis by Mac Dara Mac Donncha and Coman Goggins.
Club Aontroma have come to terms with this then.
Have been off the board for ages so only having a look through things now.
Any reasons why we're not starting new threads for each MCKenna cup match or have we just not enough to discuss this time of year?
What's the first impressions of the new guys that played v Donegal?
Did Donnelly play well? Could he make it this year?
How bad is Stevie's hamstrings? Is he in for another choppy season.
How's the other Tyrone college lads doing?
Anyone fancy doing a wee summary of who's who and what position they play for us ex pats that don't know the club scene that well any more
Welcome back Fuzzman.
Couldn't make the game on Sunday due to the late change in venue but it appeared to be a good run out for the first game of the season. Ran away from Donegal in 1st quarter but were pegged back and went in at the break one down and a man down. Colly Cav seemed to do his usual head stagger and get himself sent off.
Took the lead early in second half with McGee seeing red for Donegal and Tyrone remaining in the lead for the rest of the game. From radio coverage (all be it McHugh on highland) Donnelly had a fair enough game his goal coming from a scramble in the goal mouth. B McGuigan was MOTM which was good to hear.
SoN mustn't be too bad as he is named in the starting 15 tonight versus Fermanagh so must have been a precautionary measure to pull him on Sunday as he took part in the warm up.
From various other games the stand out college men have been Mattie Donnelly with UUJ, McKenna appears to be motoring well with Queens and Kevin Mossey (StMary's) scored four versus Down the other day.
Not too many new faces around at the min. Apart from 08 minors (Girvan and McNeice) the only fellas in are Stephen McNally (wing back), starting tonight, from Coalisland and Aiden McCrory (corner back), who played Sunday, from Errigal.
Perhaps someone who made the game on Sunday could update you better. Can't make the game this evening due to work so have to tune in to Paddy Hunter to see how it goes.
Team for tonight:
Tyrone: P McConnell, PJ Quinn, C McCarron, D McCaul, D Harte, C Gormley, S McNally, K Hughes, S Cavanagh, M Penrose, B McGuigan, E McGinley, P McNeice, S O'Neill, C Girvan.
Anyone know if the Armagh match is still on tonight?
if so what time?
there is report for Tyrone game on sunday
MCKENNA CUP WIN IS JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED FOR TYRONE
TYRONE 1-13 DONEGAL 0-13
Grieving Tyrone players and manager Mickey Harte made an emotional return to action last Sunday as Tyrone launched their season with a 1-13 to 0-13 Dr McKenna Cup win over Donegal at Edendork.
After a scrappy opening to the game it was Donegal who struck first in the opening minute as midfielder Rory Kavanagh drifted through unmarked to split the posts, with Sean Cavanagh replying for the home side just two minutes later as he tapped over a free kick after his brother Colm had been fouled.
Tyrone then put the foot on the gas as Brian McGuigan, Dermot Carlin and Martin Penrose all found the target to put Tyrone three points ahead with Carlin's point the pick of the three as he linked well with McGuigan before firing over with the inside of the right foot after a lung bursting run up field.
The only goal of the game came in the eleventh minute when Martin Penrose's attempt at a point came back of the upright and Enda McGinley then diverted the breaking ball into Mark Donnelly's path as the Carrickmore man found the back of the Donegal net from close range as Tyrone opened up a healthy six point lead 1-04 to 0-01.
Sean Cavanagh and Dermot Molloy then exchanged frees for their sides before an excellent left footed effort from the ever reliable boot of Davy Harte gave Tyrone a seven point lead as they appeared to be cruising with Donegal in all sorts of Trouble as they tried in vain to stop the relentless home side.
It took Donegal until the 20th minute to begin to claw their way back after their disastrous start to the game, but they did so in some style with half-back Leo McCloone starting a sequence of eight unanswered scores which seen them actually going in ahead at the short whistle through scores from McFadden, Mac Niallais, McLaughlin, Karl Lacey (two), and the impressive Dermot (Brick) Molloy as they drew level just minutes before the break before Donegal's Half forward Daniel McLaughlin fired over his second point of the first period with a minute left to put the visitors back into the lead for the first time since the opening minute of the game 1-06 to 0-10 in the visitors favour.
However the first-half ended on a sour note for Tyrone as well when Colm Cavanagh was shown a straight red card following a melee involving players from both sides an incident which also seen Donegal's Kevin Cassidy receive a yellow card for his part in the incident. Referee Joe McQuillan blew the half-time whistle immediately after the sending-off, with Tyrone trailing by 0-10 to 1-6 at the break.
HALF TIME SCORE TYRONE 1-06 DONEGAL 0-10
In spite of being down to 14 men, Tyrone put in a spirited display in the opening minutes of the second half as they went in search of their first win in 2011.
Midfielder Sean Cavanagh drew the side's level with a free kick early on and Aiden Cassidy nudged the home side back into the lead with an excellent right footed effort following good work by Brian McGuigan who was taken out of the move by a late Neil McGee tackle in the build up as Donegal's numerical advantage was cancelled out as McGee was sent to the line in the 38th minute leaving his side in all sorts of Trouble.
Tyrone responded positively to that incident with points from the impressive Mark Donnelly and the energetic Ryan McMenamin as they extended their lead to three points by the 43rd minute.
Only a superb save from Donegal 'keeper Paul Durkan denied Sean Cavanagh what looked a certain goal minutes later after an excellent Tyrone move as Mark Donnelly's perfectly weight pass found Cavanagh ghosting through the Donegal defence before Durkan's acrobatics' kept his side in the contest.
Donegal's Molloy, McErlean and McFadden exchanged scores with the Tyrone trio of Martin Penrose, Brian McGuigan and Aiden Cassidy late on but it wasn't to be for the visitors as it was Tyrone's day as they took victory on a final score line of 1-13 to 0-13 in what was the perfect end to what has been a nightmare few weeks for all involved with the Red Hands especially their charismatic manager Mickey Harte following the death of his beloved daughter Michaela.
MAN OF THE MATCH
Tyrone started and ended the contest the stronger of the two sides with defenders Cathal McCarron, Davy Harte and Ryan McMenamin all excelling over the hour in testing conditions on a heavy Edendork pitch with the experienced McMenamin and Harte also finding the time to pop up to register important scores for their side.
Aiden Cassidy showed glimpse's of class in the second period as Tyrone raced through the gears with Mark Donnelly, Martin Penrose and half time substitute Kevin Hughes all making a huge impact on the game as Tyrone battled back after an apparent collapse midway through the first half were Donegal battled back to lead by a point at the interval despite been 1-06 to 0-02 down early on in the game before the reeled in eight points on the bounce to turn the game on its head, but the stand out performer for Tyrone on the day was their evergreen forward Brian McGuigan, McGuigan was the leading light in what was a workman like performance by a rusty Red Hand side. The Ardboe man dictated matters all afternoon from the forty and was involved in majority of Tyrone's scores as he linked well between defence and attack as well as registering two fine points for his team.
Tyrone -- Johnny Curran; A McCrory, Cathal McCarron, Martin Swift; Davy Harte, D Carlin, Ryan McMenamin; A Cassidy, Sean Cavanagh; Colm Cavanagh, Brian McGuigan, C Gervin; Martin Penrose, Enda McGinley, Mark Donnelly. Subs: K Hughes for Girvan, P McNeice for Donnelly.
Tyrone Scorers -- Tyrone: Mark Donnelly 1-1, Sean Cavanagh 0-3 (3f), Aiden Cassidy, Brian McGuigan, Martin Penrose (1f) 0-2 each, Davy Harte, Dermot Carlin, Ryan McMenamin 0-1 each.
Donegal -- Paul Durkan; P McGrath, Neil McGee, K Mulhern; L Keeney, Leo McLoone, Kevin Cassidy; Rory Kavanagh, C Classon; D McLaughlin, Dermot Molloy, O MacNiallais; Karl Lacey, Ryan McErlane, Colm McFadden. Subs: Frank McGlynn for Kavanagh, Adrian Hanlon for Mac Niallais, Mac Niallais for McLaughlin.
Donegal: Dermot Molloy 0-3 (2f), D McLaughlin, Karl Lacey, Colm McFadden 0-2 each, Leo McLoone, Rory Kavanagh, R McErlane, O MacNiallais 0-1 each.
Ref -- J McQuillan (Cavan)
Yes onion bag as far as I am aware its still on in athletic grounds, throw in 7.30
Is the derry antrim game on tg4?
No radio coverage of Tyrone v Fermanagh? Surprised considering q101 covers both counties. Anyone have access to up dates?
all i can find omaghgael
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/01/26/dr-mckenna-cup-team-news-live-scores-results-wednesday-26-01-11/
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=1727
Monaghan 0-02 Cavan 0-06
cheers bigfrank.
Tyrone 0-04 to 0-01 down early doors.
Tyrone 0-02 Fermanagh 0-05
Team talk doing updates there on that link above....much better than the link i provided. Stevy didnt start again tonight and neither did PJ Quinn. Replaced by Aidan Mc Crory and Mark Donnellly
Dr McKenna Cup: Team News, Live Scores & Results – Wednesday 26.01.11
Barrett Sports Dr McKenna Cup Senior Football
Press F5 or Refresh for latest update
Fermanagh 0-05 1-02 Tyrone, Brewster Park, 7.30pm
Monaghan 0-02 0-06 Cavan, Inniskeen, 7.30pm
Armagh 0-00 0-00 St Marys, Athletic Grounds, 7.30pm
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/01/26/dr-mckenna-cup-team-news-live-scores-results-wednesday-26-01-11/
Tyrone level through Martin Penrose penalty.
Teamtalk site very good with the running comments.
Tyrone 1-03 Fermanagh 0-05
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Tyrone 1-03 Fermanagh 0-06
Anyone anyway of gettin update on armagh v st marys game???
Armagh 1-04 St Marys 1-06
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting
anything out of this.
Half time Tyrone 1-03 Fermanagh 0-06
Barrett Sports Dr McKenna Cup Senior Football
Fermanagh 0-06 1-03 Tyrone, Brewster Park, 7.30pm
Monaghan 0-04 1-09 Cavan, Inniskeen, 7.30pm
Armagh 1-04 1-06 St Marys, Athletic Grounds, 7.30pm
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/01/26/dr-mckenna-cup-team-news-live-scores-results-wednesday-26-01-11/
Mark Donnelly and Aidan McCrory on for Aidan Cassidy and Ryan McMenamin
Tyrone 2-04 Fermanagh 0-06
Team talk link must be have an extended tea break lol....no updates since ht!! Any more word on armagh??? thought they would have tanked st marys ???
Tyrone 2-03 Fermanagh 0-09
Gervin got Tyrone's second goal. First Derrylaughan man to score since....
Quote from: gerry on January 26, 2011, 08:35:04 PM
Tyrone 2-03 Fermanagh 0-09
Were Tyrone not 2-04 a few minutes ago? Get one chalked off?? Fermanagh will fall apart yet :o
Tyrone back in front, Coalisland's McNeice.
Ferm 0-10 Tyr 2-4
Tyrone 1 up again. Snout McGuigan with his fist, like his da.
Penrose has scored 1-2. Ward of Fermanagh on 0-4.
Sean Cavanagh scores his second of the night. 2-6 to 0-10.
Fermanagh pull one back.
armagh v st marys???
2-7 to 0-11
Penrose again (1-3)
penrose good form continues
Are you at the game O'Neill?
Tyrone 3-up.
Harte's first of the night.
Tyrone 4-up
Cavanagh (0-3)
No updates from Inniskeen?
Cavanagh again (0-4)
2-10 to 0-11
hows the coalisland boys doing tonight?
Sounds like a descent game. Is penrose MoM? Is SoN on? Has he scored?
How's MF doing?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
Sounds like a descent game. Is penrose MoM? Is SoN on? Has he scored?
How's MF doing?
I'm just getting updates. Cavanagh motm. No O'Neill again.
2-11 to 0-11 Penrose (1-4)
Final score.
Monaghan were making a comeback the last i heard from Cavan game... :-\
Monaghan 1-12 Cavan 1-13
Full Time
Sounds like a good performance from Penfold and Big Sean. Wonder how the defence played?
Do I detect already a hunger among some of the older heads.
Did any of the new lads play well?
Can we watch highlights of this game later anywhere online or on TG4
Quote from: Bluebell on January 26, 2011, 09:04:45 PM
Armagh beat at home for the second week running from what i've heard!
Thankfully I'd already reset my ambitions to rock bottom.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2011, 09:09:23 PM
Sounds like a good performance from Penfold and Big Sean. Wonder how the defence played?
Do I detect already a hunger among some of the older heads.
Did any of the new lads play well?
Can we watch highlights of this game later anywhere online or on TG4
Keep O'Neill wrapped in cotton wool til the warmer weather I say.
St Mary's winning 1-16 to 2-7 in injury time I hear.
From teamtalk:
Tyrone won in the end 2-11 to 11 points with Ciaran Girvan slotting home a goal five minutes into the second half. Marty Penrose and Brian Mc Guigan were the pick of the forwards while Ciaran Girvan battled gamely throughout. Defensively Cathal Mc Carron was outstanding and Tyrone can now look forward to their final group game on Saturday night against UUJ. That game is in Omagh at 7:30 and, broadband permitting, we will bring you live updates.
Quote from: Bluebell on January 26, 2011, 09:10:57 PM
No highlights are available of the McKenna cup matches on TG4. Cavan look like the team to be in the semi finals as fourth placed team.
Have Donegal another game to play?
Quote from: beer baron on January 26, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
Have Donegal another game to play?
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Thanks lads!Come on Fermanagh! ;D
WTF where armagh at 2nite??? First time St Marys ever beat a county team in the Dr Mc Kenna Cup...correct me if im wrong??? Mc Keever is paper talkin about turnin athletic grounds into a fortress....brutal stuff!!!
Quote from: bigfrank on January 26, 2011, 09:29:44 PM
Mc Keever is paper talkin about turnin athletic grounds into a fortress....brutal stuff!!!
I thought we'd left those times behind.
Good result for Tyrone tonight - be great to see penrose become a lethal finisher.
Quote from: bigfrank on January 26, 2011, 09:29:44 PM
WTF where armagh at 2nite??? First time St Marys ever beat a county team in the Dr Mc Kenna Cup...correct me if im wrong??? Mc Keever is paper talkin about turnin athletic grounds into a fortress....brutal stuff!!!
You're wrong. Cavan in 2010 Monaghan in 2009 and 2004.
Also drew with Armagh in 2008 and Fermanagh in 2007.
QuoteAlso drew with Armagh in 2008
That's all right then. If they drew in 2008 and we won Ulster then we'll probably win the All Ireland now that they have beaten us. :P
Armagh were laughably bad. There probably wouldn't have been a big difference in clean catches taken by both teams in MF, but Armagh just appeared to be wiped out in the MF sector, I fail to remember us winning a single break ball. Again you could have driven a bus down through the centre of the defence, big a fan and all as I am of Dyas CHB is not his position, Paul Duffy is a classy article but not too fond of the defending. No leadership on the field, no organisation or leadership from the sidelines either. It really did smack of boys being thrown in and us hoping for the best, no semblence of tactics, bar the backs bombimg forward.
Nippy Swift scored 2-1 cleanly fielded 90% of ball that went near him and was criminally underused, the rest of the forwards are barely worthy of mention. Grugan was quiet but I'm sure he's done more than enough to make POR think about starting him v the Dubs.
The Dubs in just over a week looks very worrying, dont know were the fitness is going to suddenly appear from as for the 2nd game in a row we looked dead with 15 to go, the 'experienced' players are going to get their first game of the year against the Dubs - unless there's been something magical going on in training I dont see how are they going to be up to speed for a high-intensity big crowd/TV game.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 26, 2011, 10:26:30 PM
Armagh were laughably bad. There probably wouldn't have been a big difference in clean catches taken by both teams in MF, but Armagh just appeared to be wiped out in the MF sector, I fail to remember us winning a single break ball. Again you could have driven a bus down through the centre of the defence, big a fan and all as I am of Dyas CHB is not his position, Paul Duffy is a classy article but not too fond of the defending. No leadership on the field, no organisation or leadership from the sidelines either. It really did smack of boys being thrown in and us hoping for the best, no semblence of tactics, bar the backs bombimg forward.
Nippy Swift scored 2-1 cleanly fielded 90% of ball that went near him and was criminally underused, the rest of the forwards are barely worthy of mention. Grugan was quiet but I'm sure he's done more than enough to make POR think about starting him v the Dubs.
The Dubs in just over a week looks very worrying, dont know were the fitness is going to suddenly appear from as for the 2nd game in a row we looked dead with 15 to go, the 'experienced' players are going to get their first game of the year against the Dubs - unless there's been something magical going on in training I dont see how are they going to be up to speed for a high-intensity big crowd/TV game.
Our line is tactically inept. absolutely woeful.
who will come in for dublin? McKeever, Donaghy, moriarty, mallon... ? are some of them injured?
Even the old 'only the McKenna Cup' can't excuse that shite from Armagh. To get a trimming like that from what amounted to a Tyrone D team, a team that have had two tanking themselves in the last week or so, is nothing short of pathetic.
FB line devoid of any pace. A bunch of midfielders that can't field. HBs and HFs that haven't the first notion about breaking ball. And a FF line with only one fella looking like he was really bothering himself. No discernible game plan, no real effort, no wonder we were stuffed.
Gareth Swift aside, no positives to take from tonight.
And only 10 days til Dublin :-\
Can any of the Armagh lads tell me who played well for St Mary's?
Jeepers lads do you not think ye're hitting the panic button a wee bit early?
Its like not even Feb and ye've played 3 games in the new year.
If ye can't experiment a bit now and try new things at this stage then ye never will.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the Dubs game as I fear the Dubs are at a different stage of their life cycle. I read an article today in the Dublin paper the Evening herald and the dubs are focusing on winning every game they can and getting 50K+ at all their games and building that winning mentality from day 1 for players and fans alike.
I don't think too many teams are gonna be up to 70% fitness maybe bar the Dubs with their new early morning training scheme.
OK back to my wine. Its been a long hard day
I can't be too critical of Armagh's performance as I was in work until late and didn't muster up the enthusiasm to head down the road from Belfast but its depressing to read the reports. We badly need the Crossmaglen contingent back, by sounds of things young Morgan may be pitched straight into the fray. Corner back is a specialist position and we must utilise specialist corner backs. Serious improvement is needed or our return to Division 1 could be an embarrasment.
I'm all for experimenting but you have to draw the line somewhere. McCullagh wasn't bad in that he couldn't have been any worse than Calamity James aka McEvoy has been. Vincy Martin is not a corner back, so why play him there? Decky McKenna has shown glimpes but will probably need to drop back to the 'development squad' for another year or so. James Lavery looked crap though I know he is better than what he showed tonight, same for CV. Sorry to say Johnny Murtagh has little to offer and I'm beginning to think the same of Watters. I know Swift got 2-1 tonight but don't fancy him in FF, think he's more effective out the field - How times were pointless high balls played into ff, the Ranch goalie gobbled everything up. Stevie Mc had one to forget and overall I'm pissed off that I spent £10 to go and freeze my goolies off to watch thon!
Edit to say: Fair play to the Ranch, played some great football and despite Armagh being physically superior they brought the game to them. Score of the match also way out on the RHS in the second half.
O'Neill and PJ Quinn didn't start as advertised. Match in Brewster was poor enough farefor the most part. Tyrone were lucky enough to go in level at the break. Stephen McNally slotted in well the half back role making some good runs forward and playing confidently, but didn't have the same impact in 2nd. It was all fairly even, with plenty of errors everywhere until midway through the second when Tyrone kicked it up a gear and never looked back. Cavanagh and Penrose were MOTM contenders with McCarron putting in another solid showing at full back. Cassidy came in at FF for Donnelly at half time but didn't make an impact. McGinley did a lot better at FF when Caasidy went to MF. Him and Hub started winning more ball then. Vast majority of Penrose's scores were from dead ball Inc as good a peno as your likely to see anywhere. Tyrone won comfortably in the end. But it wasn't always comfortable viewing. McEnaney certainly made Tyrone work hard for frees
Anyone got the St Marys line up and the counties represented?
How did Kieran Toner do for Armagh - is he living up to his billing as the best full-back in Ireland or is he playing in the middle?
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting anything out of this.
::) :D Do you think Cavan are?
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 27, 2011, 08:28:18 AM
Anyone got the St Marys line up and the counties represented?
How did Kieran Toner do for Armagh - is he living up to his billing as the best full-back in Ireland or is he playing in the middle?
Not gonna bother trying to remember names, but county representation was something like Derry - 1, Down - 1, Armagh - 1, Tyrone - 12. Some amount of PE teachers knocking about Tyrone.
ST MARYS: N Morgan (0-2), C OHara, P Martin, O McArdle, C Campbell, B Canavan, B Doyle, C Doyle, M McKenna, B Herron (0-1), K Mossey (0-4), P Harte (1-2), G Teague (0-1), K Mossey (0-2), K Connelly (0-2), R Keenan (0-2). Subs: O Mac Iomhair for Teague (49 mins), R McAnenly for Morgan, (66 mins).
Some disappointment with Armagh's performance last night.
http://twitter.com/CiaranMcKeever
Quote from: drici on January 27, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
Some disappointment with Armagh's performance last night.
http://twitter.com/CiaranMcKeever
Put into context by the death of Richard Keys I see. He may console himself with a pack of jammy dodgers
Quote from: haranguerer on January 27, 2011, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting anything out of this.
::) :D Do you think Cavan are?
It's my stalker!
As well as their long-time keeper, and Pearson also being a familiar name, the following players in bold started last year's championship game against Fermanagh:
J Reilly;
P Cahill, E Smith (0-1), S Jordan; D O'Dowd,
A Clarke, D O'Reilly;
T Corr (0-1), P O'Reilly (0-1); K Fannin (0-4), A O'Reilly,
R Flanagan (0-1); B Fitzpatrick,
M Brennan (1-1),
C Mackey (0-4, 2f). Subs:
M McKeever for O'Dowd, R Cullivan for A Reilly,
C Galligan for Corr, G Pearson for Brennan, D Sheridan for E Smith.
Clerkin and Finlay are the only two Monaghan regulars who were playing.
Derry also had a more familiar team than Monaghan.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 27, 2011, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting anything out of this.
::) :D Do you think Cavan are?
It's my stalker!
As well as their long-time keeper, and Pearson also being a familiar name, the following players in bold started last year's championship game against Fermanagh:
J Reilly; P Cahill, E Smith (0-1), S Jordan; D O'Dowd, A Clarke, D O'Reilly; T Corr (0-1), P O'Reilly (0-1); K Fannin (0-4), A O'Reilly, R Flanagan (0-1); B Fitzpatrick, M Brennan (1-1), C Mackey (0-4, 2f). Subs: M McKeever for O'Dowd, R Cullivan for A Reilly, C Galligan for Corr, G Pearson for Brennan, D Sheridan for E Smith.
Clerkin and Finlay are the only two Monaghan regulars who were playing.
Derry also had a more familiar team than Monaghan.
Pauric Cahill of Killygarry has never played even National League football for Cavan as far as i know Maguire.
You would be thinking of Martin Cahill of Denn.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 27, 2011, 07:11:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 27, 2011, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting anything out of this.
::) :D Do you think Cavan are?
It's my stalker!
As well as their long-time keeper, and Pearson also being a familiar name, the following players in bold started last year's championship game against Fermanagh:
J Reilly; P Cahill, E Smith (0-1), S Jordan; D O'Dowd, A Clarke, D O'Reilly; T Corr (0-1), P O'Reilly (0-1); K Fannin (0-4), A O'Reilly, R Flanagan (0-1); B Fitzpatrick, M Brennan (1-1), C Mackey (0-4, 2f). Subs: M McKeever for O'Dowd, R Cullivan for A Reilly, C Galligan for Corr, G Pearson for Brennan, D Sheridan for E Smith.
Clerkin and Finlay are the only two Monaghan regulars who were playing.
Derry also had a more familiar team than Monaghan.
Pauric Cahill of Killygarry has never played even National League football for Cavan as far as i know Maguire.
You would be thinking of Martin Cahill of Denn.
Possibly Ballyhaiseman - I was working from surnames.
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
Anyway, it's January
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
They didn't put out their starting Championship 15, but they had a core of tried and tested players. My point was that if Monaghan had entered the competition to win it, or even be competitive, they could have had the core of last year's team playing. McEneaney clearly used it as a trial and wasn't entering the competition to win it.
Good to see sour grapes alive and well in monaghan ;)
Suck it up maguire :D
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 27, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Good to see sour grapes alive and well in monaghan ;)
Suck it up maguire :D
It's not sour grapes at all - the result of a McKenna Cup match means little more than the result of a challenge match. If it was the Championship or even the league then of course I'd hate to lose to Cavan.
I was just considering whether McEneaney got any value out of the games.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
They didn't put out their starting Championship 15, but they had a core of tried and tested players. My point was that if Monaghan had entered the competition to win it, or even be competitive, they could have had the core of last year's team playing. McEneaney clearly used it as a trial and wasn't entering the competition to win it.
Alan Clarke played 3 championship games last year,and no league football
Tomas Corr has played one year
Ronan Flanagan,Cian Mackey,Michael Brennan,Mark McKeever are the only established players and only 3 of them started.
The rest are a mixture of returning players who havent played IC Football in a few years and newcomers.
Not a strong Cavan team by any standards.
Anyone know the story with SoN not playing last night either?
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
Anyway, it's January
Hard to take Cavan seriously, anytime in the year.
Their spoon collection is impressive though,
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX6FaIBtIZVD2tiIGn5kfLBIabVUSqPHd_0Yjl-QJlOoqmj7s-)
Quote from: Main Street on January 27, 2011, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
Anyway, it's January
Hard to take Cavan seriously, anytime in the year.
Their spoon collection is impressive though,
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX6FaIBtIZVD2tiIGn5kfLBIabVUSqPHd_0Yjl-QJlOoqmj7s-)
Our collections of Ulster championships and All Irelands is also impressive in comparison to some others!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 27, 2011, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 27, 2011, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
Anyway, it's January
Hard to take Cavan seriously, anytime in the year.
Their spoon collection is impressive though,
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX6FaIBtIZVD2tiIGn5kfLBIabVUSqPHd_0Yjl-QJlOoqmj7s-)
Our collections of Ulster championships and All Irelands is also impressive in comparison to some others!
LOL. He shoots, he scores!
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 27, 2011, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting anything out of this.
::) :D Do you think Cavan are?
It's my stalker!
No, not your stalker at all. If anyone else had put up such a petty childish comment about any other game I'd have pulled them on it too -it just so happens that most of the comments that annoy me are posted by yourself.
I mean - in preparation for a thumping, you tried a defence of 'Sure we werent really trying'. ::)
The reason Derry and Cavans teams are more familiar is that more players were rotated in the last few years. Banty stuck with the same. What McEnaney is getting out of this is that he has been left an under-developed squad.
Quote from: Orior on January 27, 2011, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 27, 2011, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 27, 2011, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
Anyway, it's January
Hard to take Cavan seriously, anytime in the year.
Their spoon collection is impressive though,
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX6FaIBtIZVD2tiIGn5kfLBIabVUSqPHd_0Yjl-QJlOoqmj7s-)
Our collections of Ulster championships and All Irelands is also impressive in comparison to some others!
LOL. He shoots, he scores!
Sloppy enough bit of defending from Main Street alright, and our man Myles just gobbles up those chances like the Robbie Keane of old. Hopefully he'll get a long season of it
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 27, 2011, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 27, 2011, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 27, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
I'm trying to understand Maguire's point, given the performances of the two counties in last years championship you could take it that putting out a full 2010 championship starting 15 would be the surest way of knowing that Cavan weren't taking it seriously.
Anyway, it's January
Hard to take Cavan seriously, anytime in the year.
Their spoon collection is impressive though,
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX6FaIBtIZVD2tiIGn5kfLBIabVUSqPHd_0Yjl-QJlOoqmj7s-)
Our collections of Ulster championships and All Irelands is also impressive in comparison to some others!
(http://www.overclock.net/attachments/software-news/117607d1248648910-cnet-palm-re-enables-itunes-syncing-oh_snap.gif)
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 27, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Good to see sour grapes alive and well in monaghan ;)
Suck it up maguire :D
It's not sour grapes at all - the result of a McKenna Cup match means little more than the result of a challenge match. If it was the Championship or even the league then of course I'd hate to lose to Cavan.
I was just considering whether McEneaney got any value out of the games.
In 2010 Monaghan's results in the McKenna Cup were hardly any better than this years results. But last year we at least managed to find 4 players who were definetly up to the standard (Colin Walsh, Kieran Hughes, Dermot Malone and Colm Grennan). This year, I'm struggling to see what players we found from the competition.... Mark Keogh in goals seems like he'll push for a starting chp spot, and I'd hope Gavin Doogan makes the breakthrough this year. But a goalie and one outfield player doesn't give much optimisim.
Perhaps the impact will arrive from the lads who were playing for the universities and colleges
e.g. Cormac Brady is centre back at UCD
David Hughes is captain of DIT
Conor Galligan is corner back at UUJ
Chris McGuinness is playing for DCU
Quote from: haranguerer on January 28, 2011, 08:48:18 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 27, 2011, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 26, 2011, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: drici on January 26, 2011, 08:08:27 PM
Monaghan 0-04 Cavan 1-09
Half Time
Obviously with the squad and the results Monaghan aren't taking this very seriously, but I wonder if MeEneaney is actually getting anything out of this.
::) :D Do you think Cavan are?
It's my stalker!
No, not your stalker at all. If anyone else had put up such a petty childish comment about any other game I'd have pulled them on it too -it just so happens that most of the comments that annoy me are posted by yourself.
I mean - in preparation for a thumping, you tried a defence of 'Sure we werent really trying'. ::)
The reason Derry and Cavans teams are more familiar is that more players were rotated in the last few years. Banty stuck with the same. What McEnaney is getting out of this is that he has been left an under-developed squad.
You might not agree with what I said, but I don't see how that makes it petty or childish. (And nobody else felt the need to pull me up on it.) And it wasn't just in preparation for a thumping, it was with considertion of the previous 2 games as well.
I would consider it reasonable to assume that if McEneaney was serious about winning the McKenna Cup or even being reasonably competitive, he would have had more tried and tested players joining Finlay and Clerkin (even with the list of injuries) - just as Cavan and Derry had a better mix of old and new (and for the record, I think that's a better approach to take to get an idea of the potential of new players). I think it's clear that McEneaney used the games to get a look at some new players.
As for your "we weren't really trying" comment, i'd be confident if Monaghan and Cavan both put out their full strength teams.
Quote from: Sleater on January 28, 2011, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 27, 2011, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 27, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Good to see sour grapes alive and well in monaghan ;)
Suck it up maguire :D
It's not sour grapes at all - the result of a McKenna Cup match means little more than the result of a challenge match. If it was the Championship or even the league then of course I'd hate to lose to Cavan.
I was just considering whether McEneaney got any value out of the games.
In 2010 Monaghan's results in the McKenna Cup were hardly any better than this years results. But last year we at least managed to find 4 players who were definetly up to the standard (Colin Walsh, Kieran Hughes, Dermot Malone and Colm Grennan). This year, I'm struggling to see what players we found from the competition.... Mark Keogh in goals seems like he'll push for a starting chp spot, and I'd hope Gavin Doogan makes the breakthrough this year. But a goalie and one outfield player doesn't give much optimisim.
Perhaps the impact will arrive from the lads who were playing for the universities and colleges
e.g. Cormac Brady is centre back at UCD
David Hughes is captain of DIT
Conor Galligan is corner back at UUJ
Chris McGuinness is playing for DCU
I don't think the approach of playing 13 'new' players is an effective way to spot potential. My preference would be to see 4 or 5 slotted in between the established players to see how it operates. Granted, with injuries and college commitments it wasn't quite as easy to do this year.
Keogh seems like a find alright - didn't he save two penalties across the 3 games? What are his kick-outs like?
The #1 shirt has been problematic for us, so it would be nice to get it sorted.
Dont monaghan have a very lengthy injury list? ??? What do you want mcenaney to do?
And of course its petty and childish to say obviously monaghan arent taking it very seriously - they're taking it as seriously as anyone else ffs.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 28, 2011, 08:55:32 PM
Dont monaghan have a very lengthy injury list? ??? What do you want mcenaney to do?
Did you not read my mention of their injury list above?
But they have more than 2 players available out of the regular starting 15 or even last year's 30 man panel. But having said that, I don't want McEneaney to prioritise the McKenna Cup, but i'd like him to get some benefit out of the games before going into 7 Division 1 games.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 28, 2011, 08:55:32 PM
And of course its petty and childish to say obviously monaghan arent taking it very seriously - they're taking it as seriously as anyone else ffs.
Is
that obvious?
QuoteOur collections of Ulster championships and All Irelands is also impressive in comparison to some others!
A bit Like Cork and Mayo with tons of Provincial Titles each and only a handful of All Ireland's to show for it all :D
Anyone know which McKenna Cup match TG4 are showing live tonight?
Quote from: mc_grens on January 29, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Anyone know which McKenna Cup match TG4 are showing live tonight?
None.
They're showing the Meath v Dublin O'Byrne shield final at 7.30pm.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on January 29, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
QuoteOur collections of Ulster championships and All Irelands is also impressive in comparison to some others!
A bit Like Cork and Mayo with tons of Provincial Titles each and only a handful of All Ireland's to show for it all :D
True enough but we the won Ye most wanted to win, poor spillane is still upset about it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 29, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Anyone know which McKenna Cup match TG4 are showing live tonight?
None.
They're showing the Meath v Dublin O'Byrne shield final at 7.30pm.
I thought that too, but the website says they are showing that on the TG4 player, and showing McKenna Cuip on TV.
Definitely no McKenna Cup live on TG4 - I was talking to the TG4 Sports Editor during the week and they never had the intention of showing Antrim-Derry. It was only that they had the slot marked in for the McKenna Cup final which was initially due to take place tonight in the first set of fixtures, but because of weather has been delayed. They saw Dublin-Meath to be more of a glamour affair!
on another note - does anyone know the last time Antrim were in a final? Was it 1981?
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 29, 2011, 02:31:39 PM
Definitely no McKenna Cup live on TG4 - I was talking to the TG4 Sports Editor during the week and they never had the intention of showing Antrim-Derry. It was only that they had the slot marked in for the McKenna Cup final which was initially due to take place tonight in the first set of fixtures, but because of weather has been delayed. They saw Dublin-Meath to be more of a glamour affair!
Well that explains that! Thanks lads.
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 29, 2011, 02:31:39 PM
Definitely no McKenna Cup live on TG4 - I was talking to the TG4 Sports Editor during the week and they never had the intention of showing Antrim-Derry. It was only that they had the slot marked in for the McKenna Cup final which was initially due to take place tonight in the first set of fixtures, but because of weather has been delayed. They saw Dublin-Meath to be more of a glamour affair!
The freestate feckers :)
Antrim reached the 09 ulster final Laiosgaa.
Not sure the last time they reached the McKenna cup final.
Ah I know that - I was at that Ulster final - my first and only one so far!
Wikipedia has the roll of honour but no list of finals.
Quote from: Bluebell on January 26, 2011, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: beer baron on January 26, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Bluebell on January 26, 2011, 09:10:57 PM
No highlights are available of the McKenna cup matches on TG4. Cavan look like the team to be in the semi finals as fourth placed team.
Have Donegal another game to play?
Cavan +4 after three games
Donegal +1 after two games
Donegal would need to overturn Fermanagh at Ballybofey by at least four points to qualify for the semi finals.
What happens if Donegal beat Fermanagh by 3 points?
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 29, 2011, 02:31:39 PM
Definitely no McKenna Cup live on TG4 - I was talking to the TG4 Sports Editor during the week and they never had the intention of showing Antrim-Derry. It was only that they had the slot marked in for the McKenna Cup final which was initially due to take place tonight in the first set of fixtures, but because of weather has been delayed. They saw Dublin-Meath to be more of a glamour affair!
They're right. Meath bring great colour and atmosphere, dontchaknow.
Also, a Meath win would be good for the GAA.
So they're showing the final of a 2nd rate spin-off from a 2nd rate competition?
Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-0
Doire 0-01 Aontroim 0-00
Quote from: laoisgaa on January 29, 2011, 02:46:15 PM
on another note - does anyone know the last time Antrim were in a final? Was it 1981?
A McKenna Cup Final or a Final? 2009?! :D
0-01 0-01
Doire 0-02 Aontroim 0-01
Tyrone 0-2 UUJ 0-1
Is there a radio link for the Antrim Derry game lads?
Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 0-1
0-03 0-03
Don't know if it is on the radio.
Tyrone 0-3 UUJ 1-2
Doire 0-03 Aontroim 0-05
0-03 0-06
Quote from: stibhan on January 29, 2011, 07:11:35 PM
Is there a radio link for the Antrim Derry game lads?
not much mention of the game taking place on the bbc website!! too busy with the saccar today i take it.
0-04 0-06
Tyrone 0-5 UUJ 1 -3
Tyrone 0-6 UUJ 1 -3
Any scorers in the Tyrone game? Are there many tyrone students on the Poly team.
Is Son on?
Tyrone 0-7 UUJ 1 -3
Doire 1-04 Aontroim 0-06
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2011, 07:26:20 PM
Any scorers in the Tyrone game? Are there many tyrone students on the Poly team.
Is Son on?
O neill playing- 6 Tyrone men on UUJ starting 15
Doire 1-05 Aontroim 0-06
sean 3
penrose 2
mc guigan 1
mc niece 1
son playing
2-05 0-06
Tyrone 0-8 UUJ 1 -5
Doire 2-06 Aontroim 0-06
Doire 2-06 Aontroim 0-07
Tyrone 0-9, UUJ 1-5
Thanks lads for the updates. High scoring 1st half. I hope Sean becomes our regular free taker all year. Does he ever hit them from the ground?
Tyrone 0-10, UUJ 1-5
sean 3
penrose 2
mc guigan 1
mc niece 1
son 1
cassidy 1
carlin 1
Doire 2-07 Aontroim 0-08
Half Time
(Away on here - oidhche Shathairn and all)
Not a great deal in it at Omagh. Tyrone much improved from Wed night. Stephen McNally and Ricey playing well and Cassidy is seeing plenty of ball in MF. SON doesn't look too sharp but McNiece and Girvan doing well. HF line of Cavanagh, BMcG and Penrose dominating but Mattie Donnelly giving McCaul a fair roasting and McManus taking his chances.Tyrone playing the team game well resulting in a greatly worked score that O'Neill finished. It's a cold night though and smallish crowd.
Half-time
Tyrone 0-10 UUJ 1-06
Donegal 0:3 fer 0:5 ht
Tyrone 0-10 UUJ 2-6
Tyrone 0-11 UUJ 2-6
Any update on the leafers?
Tyrone 0-12 UUJ 2-7
Tyrone 0-13 UUJ 2-7
no radio for any games
Quote from: gerry on January 29, 2011, 08:13:24 PM
no radio for any games
Thanks. Fermanagh seem to be doing alright
Tyrone 0-13 UUJ 2-8
Derry 2-11 v 0-11 Antrim
Derry 2-11 v 0-12 Antrim
Tyrone 1-14 UUJ 2-8
Sorry to the Tyrone men, they were beat the minute i put them in my docket ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tyrone 1-15 UUJ 2-8
sean 6
penrose 3
mc guigan 1-1
mc niece 1
son 2
cassidy 1
carlin
Derry 2-11 v 0-13 Antrim
Derry 2-12 v 0-13 Antrim
Donegal 0-04 0-08 Fermanagh
Quote from: aontroim on January 29, 2011, 08:22:44 PM
Derry 2-11 v 0-13 Antrim
Antrim doing well enough, a wee goal would be great
Tyrone 1-16 UUJ 2-9
sean 6
penrose 3
mc guigan 1-1
mc niece 1
son 2
cassidy 1
carlin 1
gervin 1
Derry 2-13 v 0-13 Antrim game nearly over
Derry 2-13 v 0-14 Antrim
Tyrone 1-17 UUJ 2-10
sean 6
penrose 3
mc guigan 1-1
mc niece 1
son 2
cassidy 1
carlin 1
gervin 1
donnelly 1
Tyrone 1-17 UUJ 2-11
sean 6
penrose 3
mc guigan 1-1
mc niece 1
son 2
cassidy 1
carlin 1
gervin 1
donnelly 1
Tyrone 1-18 UUJ 2-11 FT
sean 6
penrose 3
mc guigan 1-2
mc niece 1
son 2
cassidy 1
carlin 1
gervin 1
donnelly 1
Derry 2-14 v 0-14 Antrim - FT
Donegal 7 fer 12
Taken from Teamtalkmag.com
The game ends in a four point victory for Tyrone with 1-18 a fair return on any night. This is Tyrone's third game in seven days and although they have not been doing a lot of training these three games, in particular tonight's very competitive fixture, will stand to them when the league starts. It looks like it will be Cavan they face in the semi final. Final score Tyrone 1-18, UUJ 2-11.
That means cavan v tyrone semi I think. How is venue decided.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 29, 2011, 08:52:51 PM
That means cavan v tyrone semi I think. How is venue decided.
id imagine Enniskillen would be the sensible option
Derry antrim in the other semi was in Derry that's why I'm wondering.
Not sure how its decided, Omagh and Brefinni both have lights i think. Was just my opinion that Enniskillen would make sense and would be the fairest
Derry and Antrim tossed for home venue for tonight's game
Quote from: gerry on January 29, 2011, 08:37:45 PM
Tyrone 1-18 UUJ 2-11 FT
sean 6
penrose 3
mc guigan 1-2
mc niece 1
son 2
cassidy 1
carlin 1
gervin 1
donnelly 1
Good man gerry, that's a fair spread of the scoring in any game, and especially promising with the new (and newish) lads getting their names on the sheet.
Tyrone County Board broadcast this last night
QuoteThe McKenna Cup semi final between Tyrone and Cavan has been fixed for Enniskillen on Wed 9th February.
semi final on the Wednesday so as the final can go ahead on the Sunday
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=1902
QuoteYes a certain website quoted this fixture on a GAA website!! I stand corrected by the game now at Brewster Park, Enniskillen on Wednesday 9th February at 7.30pm!!
Would it not be easier just to have deleted your erroneous post??
This games on pp as being tonight? Any teams named?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 08, 2011, 01:20:17 PM
This games on pp as being tonight? Any teams named?
Its on wednesday as far as i know.
Live updates available here for tonights game:
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=2040
Still no Tyrone team named, will this be covered in any radio stations round Cavan way? Northern Sound? Q101 here in Omagh isn't covering the McKenna cup. I'm stuck in work this evening so looking somewhere to tune into.
any online radio station covering the Cavan game?
Cavan 0-02 Tyrone 0-03
http://www.northernsound.ie/
Over and back to it.
"Hard to believe but there's a mighty crowd at it."
Looks like the teamtalk website have forgot about their live updates!
Anyone any recent updates? Who's doing the scoring?
Cavan 0-06 Tyrone 0-04
Cavan 0-08 Tyrone 0-05
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
Looks like the teamtalk website have forgot about their live updates!
Anyone any recent updates? Who's doing the scoring?
i thought that aswel,but,the link you put up isnt the updates.click home,it should be there.
Cavan 0-10 Tyrone 0-06
About 1200 of a crowd.
Cavan 0-10 Tyrone 0-06
Half Time
6 points for Seánie Johnston.
Quote from: Dougal on February 09, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
Looks like the teamtalk website have forgot about their live updates!
Anyone any recent updates? Who's doing the scoring?
i thought that aswel,but,the link you put up isnt the updates.click home,it should be there.
Ah right, they must have changed the link since I posted it up.
any new score on the game
Quote from: beardy on February 09, 2011, 08:45:30 PM
any new score on the game
Away for their tea break. Cavan Leading 10 points to 6. Cavan keeper pulled of two sublime saves in the first half.
Tyrone line out as per programme: Johnny Curran, Aidan Mc Crory, Damian Mc Caul, PJ Quinn, Ronan Mc Nabb, Dermot Carli, Stephen Mc Nally, Kevin Hughes, Aidan Cassidy, Sean Cavanagh, Brian Mc Guigan, Patrick Mc Niece, Ciaran Gervin, Martin Penrose and Mark Donnelly.
Subs: Pascal Mc Connell,Conor Gormley, Davy Harte, Cathal Mc Carron, Ryan Mc Menamin, Stephen O'Neill, Martin Swift.
Broadband in skin town as slow as a geriatric corner back-Tyrone up by point
Why say they're having updates and then stop updating?! Cavan had a man sent off and were 2 points down, got that update from someone at the match 10 minutes ago.
wtf is goin on?
No updates in 50 minutes despite a 6 point turn around and a sending off!?
Something to do with broadband and lack of facilities at the dump that is Brewster Park
the latest i heard is tyrone 2-7 cavan 0 11 wheres your young fella mc kenna tonight dont see him on the team sheet
2-08 to 13 points 25 mins gone 2nd half
The same happened in the Tyrone v Fermanagh game two weeks ago. Updates stopped altogether after 1st half. Perhaps there's a broadband curfew in Enniskillen at 8pm!
McKenna innelligible as he played for Queens earlier in the comp.
They can't upload the updates if they have no broadband, disapointing considering the effort teamtalk have been making trying to cover these games.
Full time Cavan beaten by 3 points.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
The same happened in the Tyrone v Fermanagh game two weeks ago. Updates stopped altogether after 1st half. Perhaps there's a broadband curfew in Enniskillen at 8pm!
McKenna innelligible as he played for Queens earlier in the comp.
Forgot a bout that. Have to say Tyrone is oozing with talent. Right men to harness it as well lethal mix.
any word on goal scorers?
Quote from: under the bar on February 09, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
any word on goal scorers?
http://www.northernsound.ie/
Report coming up after this song.
Houl on - another song first.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 09, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
any word on goal scorers?
Darren Bent and Ashley Young.
Jays us two more new names to look out for. Dose anyone who throws on a Tyrone top automatically score goals? I think you could be on to something there ;D Hard luck to Cavan brave effort.
Report on now.
Cavan 0-14 Tyrone 2-11
No mention of who scored the goals except one was from a penalty.
Quote from: drici on February 09, 2011, 09:21:45 PM
No mention of who scored the goals except one was from a penalty.
Penrose and the other came off a Cavan man.
Doesn't look like TG4 is showing the final.
Quote from: Bluebell on February 09, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
Sat 12th Feb (7pm)
McKenna Cup Final
Derry v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds, Armagh
Strange venue for Tyrone v Derry.
Louth v Westmeath (Div 3) in Haggardstown nr Dundalk is also on that night for the nearby neutrals.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 09, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 09, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
any word on goal scorers?
Darren Bent and Ashley Young.
are there Tyrone players who are Young and Bent ? Didnt know that
QuoteSat 12th Feb (7pm)
McKenna Cup Final
Derry v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds, Armagh
Strange venue for Tyrone v Derry.
Do rightly. Handier for most people than Casement.
would have thought Ballybofey would have been the obvious choice
Quote from: Bluebell on February 09, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
Sat 12th Feb (7pm)
McKenna Cup Final
Derry v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds, Armagh
Should have tossed for home venue. That's a bit of a trek, especially for N Derry wans. As long as we've got young bent men in our FF line we'll be sure to come home with the cup!
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From teamtalk:
Tyrone overcame a resolute Cavan side tonight in Brewster Park thanks to two very timely second half goals and thus qualified for Saturday night's final. They will now face a Derry side brimming with confidence following their opening league win over the Red Hands.
Tyrone struggled at times tonight with Cavan's aggression and commitment and trailed by four points at the break ten points to six. However they could have been handsomely ahead at half time had they capitalised on the three goal chances that they created in the opening thirty five minutes. Martin Penrose, Brian Mc Guigan and Mark Donnelly all came close to netting majors but great work by James Reilly in the Cavan goal prevented Tyrone from finding the net.
Cavan began the second half well but Tyrone hit them with two goals, the first a penalty from Martin Penrose after a foul on Mark Donnelly. Cavan were reduced to fourteen men after Syephen Jordan was sent off in that incident. Patrick Mc Niece then finished a fine move to the net four minutes later and Tyrone looked home and hosed. However Cavan refused to buckle and with Ray Cullivan driving them on and just three points between the sides they pushed hard for a goal which would have drawn them level. Fortunately for Tyrone some fine late scores from Stevie O'Neill and Kevin Hughes saw Mickey Harte's side through to Saturday night's final on a score line of 2-11 to 0-14.
Where any of ye at the match last night?
Any player reviews?
How did Stevie play?
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 10, 2011, 12:36:48 PM
Where any of ye at the match last night?
Any player reviews?
How did Stevie play?
Celt Man said he'd give his thoughts in the Cavan Thread as he was there.
Quote from: Bluebell on February 09, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
Sat 12th Feb (7pm)
McKenna Cup Final
Derry v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds, Armagh
More importantly, has the referee been announced?
Mr. James White, Donegal apparently.
Will this game be on TV?
Does not appear to be on TV, from the TG4 website........
19:15 Rugbaí Beo
Live coverage of Connacht v Scarlets from the Sportsground in Galway. Presented by Máire Treasa Ní Dhubhghaill with commentary and analysis by Gearóid Mac Donncha, Eamonn Molloy and Seán Ó Conghaile.
Haven't been able to make any Tyrone games due to work clashes for every game. Hopefully it'll be covered on either radio ulster or q101 with it being the final. Not going to hold my breath though.
Teamtalkmag normally do text updates.
You could also try twitter - normally updates there too...
I suspect that this match could be called off tonight due to a death.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 12, 2011, 12:24:59 PM
I suspect that this match could be called off tonight due to a death.
Was thinking the same, but have a strong feeling it will go ahead.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 12, 2011, 12:24:59 PM
I suspect that this match could be called off tonight due to a death.
I think it'll go ahead. Tony will probably take over the reins tonight I think.
match off
Mickey Hartes brother Paddy has died is what I heard- What can you say?
Its just on the tyrone facebook page that the match is off.
Quote from: Rouge_Diablo on February 12, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
Mickey Hartes brother Paddy has died is what I heard- What can you say?
This is true. He has been very ill for a while now. RIP.
Tonight's Dr McKenna Cup Final (Tír Eoghain v Doire) has been postponed by the Ulster Council as a mark of respect following the death this morning of Patrick Harte, brother of senior team manager, Mickey.
Ah jaysus. What more can that man deal with. I knew his brother was very ill but another heavy burden to add to his already tortured mind.
RIP Patrick Harte.
Rough time for the Harte family they have been through a lot this year. I also "heard" Mickeys mother in law died a little while ago as well as another brother. If anything I would say the football gives Mickey solace. Mary Queen of the Gael pray for Patrick.
Jesus, that's tough after all the Harte family has been through. RIP.
Poor Mickey Harte, what a terrible time of it he is having. Again he will have to dig deep - all the best to him and his family. RIP.
Any word of a date for the postponed final? No word on the teamtalk mag site.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=142358
seen this earlier on Hoganstand
Final refixed. It will now go ahead on Saturday March 5th in Armagh with a 7:00pm throw in time.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=2192
Derry 2-12 2-11 Tyrone
Derry survived a Tyrone second-half revival to win the Barrett McKenna Cup final in an Athletic Grounds thriller. Paddy Bradley converted four frees, and Enda Muldoon netted a 35th-minute goal as Derry led 1-7 to 0-2 at half-time. Derry appeared in control but Sean Cavanagh's third-quarter goal gave Tyrone renewed hope. However, a Ciaran Mullan goal and points from the Bradley brothers sealed it for the Oak Leafers despite Stephen O'Neill's late Tyrone goal. The win earned Derry their first McKenna Cup triumph since 1999. It was Derry's second win over Tyrone in four weeks after their victory over the Red Hands on the opening weekend of the National League.
Story from BBC SPORT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9415233.stm
McKenna Cup: Derry hold Tyrone at bay
06 March 2011
Derry 2-12
Tyrone 2-11
Derry lifted the Barrett Sports Lighting Dr McKenna Cup title on Saturday night after a hugely entertaining tussle with Tyrone at the Athletic Grounds in Armagh.
It was the second time in a month that the Oak Leaf County got the better of their neighbours by a single point.
The Oak Leaf County withstood a spirited Tyrone fightback in the Allianz National Football League four weeks ago and the pattern was almost identical in Armagh, with Tyrone coming up just short despite hitting 2-9 after the interval.
If anyone was under the illusions that a final of a relatively minor competition such as this might reduce the tempo and the temperature, those doubts were dispelled before the ball was thrown in with Gerard O'Kane booked by referee Jimmy White after a skirmish with Tyrone's Sean Cavanagh.
John Brennan's side, bidding to bounce back from a heavy home league defeat to Laois six days previously, started in style and had opened up an eight-point lead at the interval (1-7 to 0-2).
Derry had four points on the board before Tyrone troubled the umpires, and Enda Muldoon finished to the net to extend the lead to eight at the change of ends.
But if Derry held sway in the first half, the third quarter belonged to Tyrone with Cavanagh hitting a goal and a point and Owen Mulligan and Martin Penrose also on target as they nosed a point in front (1-8 to 1-7).
Brennan's men hit back with a goal from corner back Ciaran Mullan and points Eoin and Paddy Bradley helped them into a 2-12 to 1-10 lead.
Again, though, Tyrone grasped the impetus and a goal from sub Stephen O'Neill gave them hope in injury time and Penrose cut the gap to one with his fourth point of the game.
The clock ran out on Mickey Harte's side and Derry held on for their first McKenna Cup title since 1999, but there was plenty of encouragement for Tyrone too from their second half display, which saw the return to action of both Justin and Joe McMahon after injury.
Derry: D Devlin, C Mullan (1-1), K McCloy, D McBride, B McCallion, A McAlynn, G O'Kane, PJ McCloskey, J Conway, M Donaghy (0-1), SL McGoldrick (0-1), E Bradley (0-1), C McGoldrick, P Bradley (0-6, 5 frees), E Muldoon (1-2, 1 free). Subs: B McGuigan for McCallion (4 mins), M Drumm for McGuigan (55), C McGoldrick for Conway (58), B McAlarey for Drumm (62), D Mullan for C McGoldrick (66).
Tyrone: P McConnell, A McCrory, D McCaul, PJ Quinn, C McCarron, R McMenamin, M Swift, C Gormley, A Cassidy, K Hughes, B McGuigan, S Cavanagh (1-5, 4 frees), O Mulligan (0-2), M Penrose (0-4, 2 frees), M Donnelly. Subs: D Harte for Quinn (25 mins), Justin McMahon for McCrory (half-time), S O'Neill (1-0) for Donnelly (56), Joe McMahon for McCarron (64).
Referee: J White (Donegal).
http://www.hoganstand.com/tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=143699
Derry win McKenna Cup
Derry overcame neighbours Tyrone by the narrowest of margins, 2-12 to 2-11, in a thrilling game at the Athletic Grounds, Armagh to claim their first McKenna Cup title since 1999. Gerard O'Kane gives his thoughts to DerryGAA after the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP6Sz3NdyPs&feature=player_embedded#t=52s
Roll on the McKenna Cup!!!!!!
Has the Draw for the McKenna Cup 2012 taken place yet ??
When's the draw for this?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 03, 2011, 04:01:34 PM
When's the draw for this?
Tonight Apparently, any word on it?
Tyrone in same group as Fermanagh, QUB and Antrim.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 18, 2011, 03:04:28 PM
Tyrone in same group as Fermanagh, QUB and Antrim.
Where did ou hear that?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 18, 2011, 03:04:28 PM
Tyrone in same group as Fermanagh, QUB and Antrim.
No over lap with:
Donegal Cavan Derry and Jordanstown.
Which leaves Armagh Monaghan Down and St Marys in the other group.
Ulster Council to introduce McKenna Cup ticket scheme
17 November 2011
Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy is hoping tonight's Management Committee meeting will give the green light to a new season ticket scheme for next year's Dr McKenna Cup.
Murphy, who has been involved in drafting the proposal, believes the scheme will provide savings for supporters who attend most, if not all, of their county's matches in the pre-season competition. It's understood that the ticket will cost between £20 and £25. Admission to last season's McKenna Cup games cost £10 alone, meaning a supporter could save up to £30 if his or her county reaches the final.
"We are looking at one ticket that will cover the three group games, the semi-final and the finals. A supporter would get five games for one purchase," Murphy told the Irish News.
The proposal is along the same lines as the GAA's season ticket, which covers National League and championship games, and is aimed at rewarding loyal supporters.
Meanwhile, the draw for the 2012 Dr McKenna Cup will take place tonight. Each county will be guaranteed at least three group games with semi-finals and a final also due to take place before the start of the National League in early February.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=158034
How do some people know what the McKenna cup groups are and it hasnt been released to the media yet? Some sort of big secret?
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2011, 11:52:08 AM
How do some people know what the McKenna cup groups are and it hasnt been released to the media yet? Some sort of big secret?
Seems like very poor PR from the Ulster Council.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 20, 2011, 07:57:03 PM
Ulster Council to introduce McKenna Cup ticket scheme
17 November 2011
Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy is hoping tonight's Management Committee meeting will give the green light to a new season ticket scheme for next year's Dr McKenna Cup.
Murphy, who has been involved in drafting the proposal, believes the scheme will provide savings for supporters who attend most, if not all, of their county's matches in the pre-season competition. It's understood that the ticket will cost between £20 and £25. Admission to last season's McKenna Cup games cost £10 alone, meaning a supporter could save up to £30 if his or her county reaches the final.
"We are looking at one ticket that will cover the three group games, the semi-final and the finals. A supporter would get five games for one purchase," Murphy told the Irish News.
The proposal is along the same lines as the GAA's season ticket, which covers National League and championship games, and is aimed at rewarding loyal supporters.
Meanwhile, the draw for the 2012 Dr McKenna Cup will take place tonight. Each county will be guaranteed at least three group games with semi-finals and a final also due to take place before the start of the National League in early February.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=158034
So you'll only really get value if your county goes all the way to the final.
Still crazy prices considering the season ticket for 7 league games and 1 championship game is €75!
Forget the schemes for the McKenna Cup. Make all tickets £5 with £3 concession and children in free.
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2011, 11:52:08 AM
How do some people know what the McKenna cup groups are and it hasnt been released to the media yet? Some sort of big secret?
Must be all right! The Down GAA website has this:
Group draw for Mc Kenna Cup 2012 The draw for the 2012 Dr McKenna Cup took place on Thursday at the Comhairle Uladh CCC meeting. It is as follows:
Section A: Ollscoil na Banriona, Tír Eoghain, Fear Manach, Aontroim
Section B: Colaiste Naomh Mhuire, Muineachán, An Dún, Ard Mhacha
Section C: Ollscoil Baile Shurtain, An Cabhán, Dún na nGall, Doíre
The Semi Final draw is as follows:Winner of Section A v Best Runner Up
Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B
http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/downGaa/news/89569/group_draw_for_mc_kenna_cup2012
What are the College sides like this year? No doubt J-Town have an array of inter county footballers doing guddy studies or lego building.
anymore word on the tickets?
Quote from: Sanchez on November 22, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
What are the College sides like this year? No doubt J-Town have an array of inter county footballers doing guddy studies or lego building.
No idea, havent really noticed any coverage. A lad from my home club plays with Maynooth and they are in the league final against Carlow, both of whom beat big guns DCU and UCD. A change in the gaurd maybe.
I do enjoy the colleges being in the pre season cups like the mckenna cup, it adds a different demension to the thing.
(http://www.teamtalkmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/dr-mckenna-cup-season-ticket-ad-208x300.jpg)
Dr. McKenna Cup (2012 Competition)
All Sunday games at 2.00 p.m.: All midweek games at 7.30 p.m.
(Extra time to be played in Semi finals & Final)
Section A: Ollscoil na Banriona, Tír Eoghain, Fear Manach & Aontroim
Section B: Colaiste Naomh Mhuire, Muineachán, An Dún & Ard Mhacha
Section C: Ollscoil Baile Shurtain, An Cabhán, Dún na nGall & Doíre
8th Jan (Sun): Round 1: Section A
QUB v Tír Eoghain at Healy Park
Fear Manach v Aontroim at Brewster Park
Section B
Naomh Mhuire v Muineachan at Clones
An Dún v Ard Mhacha at Pairc Esler
Section C
Doíre v An Cabhán at Celtic Park
Dún na nGall v UUJ at Pairc Mac Cumhaill
15th Jan (Sun): Round 2: Section A
Aontroim v Tír Eoghain at Casement Park
Fear Manach v QUB at Brewster Park
Section B
Muineachan v An Dún at Clones
Ard Mhacha v Naomh Mhuire at Morgan Athletic Grounds
Section C
An Cabhán v Dún na nGall at Kingspan Breffni Park
Doíre v UUJ at Celtic Park
18th Jan (Wed): Round 3: Section A
Tír Eoghain v Fear Manach at Healy Park
Aontroim v QUB at Casement Park
Section B
Ard Mhacha v Muineachán at Morgan Athletic Grounds
An Dún v Naomh Mhuire at Pairc Esler
Section C
UUJ v An Cabhán at Kingspan Breffni Park
Dún na nGall v Doíre at Pairc Mac Cumhaill
21st / 22ndJan (Sat/Sun) : Semi Finals:
(1) Best Runner Up v Winner of Section A
(2) Winner of Section C v Winner of Section B
28th Jan (Sat): Final: 1 v 2
N.B. All Fixtures potentially should be considered as floodlit games.
http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/downGaa/taggedNews/90039/up_omp_t_t_o
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
Enlighten us...
Quote from: haranguerer on December 06, 2011, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
Enlighten us...
All Armagh matches are going to be in the Athletic Grounds for the foreseeable future and I wouldn't really have any difficulty with that.
I suppose Inniskeen would have been more convenient for Down supporters but the road to Clones is well known and well travelled at this stage. In any event, I'd have thought it was the individual counties, rather than the Ulster Council, who decided on the venues, no?
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
North and Mid Armagh fans have had to travel to Cross for years. There hasnt been any matches in North armagh for years either. Now we have a fantastic ground in the Cathedral city and it's handy for everyone in the county.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 06, 2011, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
North and Mid Armagh fans have had to travel to Cross for years. There hasnt been any matches in North armagh for years either. Now we have a fantastic ground in the Cathedral city and it's handy for everyone in the county.
Lurgan has seen a number of McKenna Cup matches in the last few years.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 06, 2011, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
North and Mid Armagh fans have had to travel to Cross for years. There hasnt been any matches in North armagh for years either. Now we have a fantastic ground in the Cathedral city and it's handy for everyone in the county.
I was at the Armag v Queens match a couple years back. Plus Davitt has been getting redeveloped the last year and a bit or so (Clans posters can correct me?) that has ruled it out.
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 07, 2011, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 06, 2011, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
North and Mid Armagh fans have had to travel to Cross for years. There hasnt been any matches in North armagh for years either. Now we have a fantastic ground in the Cathedral city and it's handy for everyone in the county.
I was at the Armag v Queens match a couple years back. Plus Davitt has been getting redeveloped the last year and a bit or so (Clans posters can correct me?) that has ruled it out.
There was a game against (possibly) Derry in Lurgan as well. I think it was 2008 as it was on tg4 and I think it was Peter McDonnell's first match in charge. The first year the Universities entered, I think there was a match in Davitt Park against St Mary's as well.
To be fair, I do actually agree that it would appear to be irrational to completely outlaw the use of secondary grounds for Ulster Council matches.
QuoteTo be fair, I do actually agree that it would appear to be irrational to completely outlaw the use of secondary grounds for Ulster Council matches.
In particular, it is irrational to outlaw the use of secondary grounds in a secondary competition.
Tyrone McKenna Cup Squad Announced
1 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
2 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
3 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
4 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
5 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
6 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
8 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
9 Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
11 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
12 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
13 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
14 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
15 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
16 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
17 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
18 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
20 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
22 Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
23 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
24 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
25 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
26 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/12/mckenna-cup-squad-announced/
Conor Clarke is the one who stands out - what kind of player is he?
Can anyone put the ages against this Tyrone squad - seems a nice blend of youth and experience -
Average age ??
Conor Clarke was the 2010 minor fullback and played midfield for Omagh for most of this year. He's always impressed me whenever I've seen him.
It's good to see Johnny Lafferty into the squad as well. He's been one of the best club players in the county for the last couple of years, and probably the one I'd be most looking forward to seeing. Be interesting to see how he adapts to senior intercounty football.
Not too many lads on that panel without an All Ireland Minor, Hogan or Sigerson medal - 5 by my reckoning.
Any other teams announced yet?
Quote from: barelegs on December 14, 2011, 11:46:01 PM
Conor Clarke was the 2010 minor fullback and played midfield for Omagh for most of this year. He's always impressed me whenever I've seen him.
It's good to see Johnny Lafferty into the squad as well. He's been one of the best club players in the county for the last couple of years, and probably the one I'd be most looking forward to seeing. Be interesting to see how he adapts to senior intercounty football.
Poor player, very average now even for his club Omagh.
Only one keeper on the panel.
Quote from: barelegs on December 14, 2011, 11:46:01 PM
It's good to see Johnny Lafferty into the squad as well. He's been one of the best club players in the county for the last couple of years, and probably the one I'd be most looking forward to seeing. Be interesting to see how he adapts to senior intercounty football.
He'll not count - barely got a kick against Kildress in the Championship when a cub was marking him.
Quote from: barelegs on December 14, 2011, 11:46:01 PM
Conor Clarke was the 2010 minor fullback and played midfield for Omagh for most of this year. He's always impressed me whenever I've seen him.
It's good to see Johnny Lafferty into the squad as well. He's been one of the best club players in the county for the last couple of years, and probably the one I'd be most looking forward to seeing. Be interesting to see how he adapts to senior intercounty football.
Agree about Lafferty. The most exciting player in the County last year.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on December 15, 2011, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: barelegs on December 14, 2011, 11:46:01 PM
It's good to see Johnny Lafferty into the squad as well. He's been one of the best club players in the county for the last couple of years, and probably the one I'd be most looking forward to seeing. Be interesting to see how he adapts to senior intercounty football.
He'll not count - barely got a kick against Kildress in the Championship when a cub was marking him.
Have to agree. Seen him against Derrylaughan in the 2010 intermediate final and was looking forward to a good showing from him. He didnt turn up that day but he did wreak havoc in the semi final that year aganst Eglish.
Mourne County seek winning blend
14 December 2011
Down manager James McCartan is trying to come up with the right mix of youth and experience.
Having lost key men Martin Clarke, Caolan Mooney, Peter Fitzpatrick and James Colgan to emigration, the Mourne boss will welcome back some big names and also introduce some fresh blood for the McKenna Cup next month.
McCartan has been boosted by the availability of experienced quartet Damien Rafferty, Declan Rooney, Conor Garvey and Ambrose Rogers. And, in his provisional squad named for the subsidiary provincial competition, Niall McParland and Conor Gough join fellow Hogan Cup winning captain Kevin McKernan, with other new faces including Damien and Peter Turley (Downpatrick), Arthur McConville (Clonduff), Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint) and Marcus Miskelly (Darraghcross).
Chairman Seamus Walsh says: "Obviously we are disappointed to have lost such a talented group of players who have now left this country but we feel we now have key men coming back from injury and others who are prepared to make a strong bid for places in the side. This is very encouraging.
"We got to the All-Ireland final in 2010 and that whetted our appetite for glory. But we will take things one step at a time.
"The McKenna Cup will give us an indication of where we are at and then we will see how we go in the national league.
"An Ulster championship title would be on our radar but there are eight other counties with the same ambition."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=159342
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 14, 2011, 10:43:20 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Squad Announced
1 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
2 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
3 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
4 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
5 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
6 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
8 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
9 Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
11 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
12 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
13 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
14 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
15 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
16 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
17 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
18 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
20 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
22 Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
23 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
24 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
25 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
26 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/12/mckenna-cup-squad-announced/
No Carmen men on the squad?? Understandable that the block is being rested but where's Mark Donnelly?
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on December 16, 2011, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 14, 2011, 10:43:20 PM
Tyrone McKenna Cup Squad Announced
1 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
2 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
3 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
4 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
5 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
6 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
8 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
9 Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin
10 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
11 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
12 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
13 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
14 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
15 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
16 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
17 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
18 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
20 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
21 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
22 Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
23 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
24 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
25 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
26 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/12/mckenna-cup-squad-announced/
No Carmen men on the squad?? Understandable that the block is being rested but where's Mark Donnelly?
Harte can only name a 26 man squad so Mark along with others are being rested ie Joe McMahon, Owen Mulligan, Davy Harte, Big Packie, Cathal McCarron, Ryan McMenamin
Just thought he would have been a candidate for the mckenna as he hasn't had as much exeperience as the rest of the rested players.
My sources tell me you'll not see mulligan in a tyrone jersey again - well not until the over 40's anyway! :P
Radda and you know why........its because of that UGG boot scandel you started!
Fermanagh McKenna Cup 2012 panel
17 December 2011
The panel as per Ulster Council rules contains 26 players, however 30 players will be fully involved in all squad sessions until the end of January after which a revised panel for the National League and Championship will be announced. Kane Connors (Belnaleck), Barry Mulrone (Devenish), Chris Snow (St Joseph's Ederney) and James Sherry (Roslea Shamrocks) are the additional squad members.
6 Fermanagh players will represent their respective universities during the McKenna Cup and these players, Ryan Jones (Derrygonnelly), Brian Cox (Belcoo), Niall McGovern (Belcoo), Matthew Jackson (Tempo), Declan McCusker (St Josephs Ederney) and Richard O'Callaghan (Enniskillen Gaels) will also be considered for inclusion in the National League and Championship panel.
1 Ronan Gallagher Ronain Ó Gallchoir Naomh Gall
2 Michael Jones Micheal Ó Ioine Doire Ó gConaile
3 Shane Lyons Seán Ó Laighin Naomh Oilibheir Plunceid
4 Niall Bogue Niall Ó Buaigh Cill Naile
5 Conor Quigley Concur Ó Coigligh Ros Laith
6 Barry Owens, Barra OhEoghain Tigh Mór
7 Ryan McCluskey Rian MacBhiascaidh Inis Ceithleann
8 Paul Cosgrove Pol Mac Oscair Naomh Padraig
9 Eoin Donnelly Eoin Donnaile An Cuach
10 Eamon Maguire Eamann Mac Uidhir Naomh Padraig
11 Darryl Keenan Dairáil Ó Cionáin An Tiompiu
12 Daniel Kille Dónail MacShaile Lios na Sceithe
13 Pat Cadden Padraig Ó Caidin Naomh Padraig
14 Seamus Quigley Sheamus Ó Coigligh Ros Laith
15 Paul Ward Pol Mac an Bhaird Doire Ó gConaile
16 Chris Breen Críostóir Mac Briain Inis Ceathlinn
17 Tomas Corrigan Tomás Ó Corragain Cill Náile
18 Sean Quigley Sean Ó Coigligh Ros Laith
19 Mark Little Marcas Ó Beig Lios na Sceithe
20 Brian Mullin Brian Ó Maolain Gaeil na hEirne
21 Niall McElroy Níall Mac Giolla Rua Lios na Sceithe
22 Liam Lynch Liam O Loingsigh Ros Laith
23 John Woods Seán Mac Conchoille Lios na Sceithe
24 Declan Cassidy Deaglan Ó Caiside Doire Ó gConaile
25 Ryan Keenan Rian O Cianáin An Tiompiu
26 Brian Og Maguire Brian Og MacUdir Lios na Sceithe
The Management Team would like to sincerely thank those players who attended the recent series of trial matches but did not make the McKenna Cup panel and wish them well in the year ahead.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=159454
Interesting squad.
Seems like back to the future for Peter.
Lot of the older faces back in the Fermanagh colours.
Good to see a few new faces as well like Mullin from Erne Gaels and Donnelly for Coa.
Good to see Deccy Cassidy in there as well. Has been one of the best defenders in club football
in Fermanagh for the last 10 years. Have no idea why it took this long for somebody to have a
look at him
Few player missing as well.
Not one player from Devenish except Mulrone who is injured. Strange...
Marty and Chris O'Brien would certainly spring to mind.
James McGrath from Belcoo was an excellent find last year and IMO is the best keeper in the county.
Hugh Brady is also an emission.
Peter Sherry is working in England so that would explain his absence.
Goan also not there and would presume work commitments are keeping him away.
Also no word of Tommy McElroy and Marty McGrath. Both injured I presume at the minute and would imagine they will
be in the National League squad.
After been told that St. Mary's v Armagh will be played in Crossmaglen and so will the Armagh v Fermanagh game aswell.
Derry Squad for McKenna Cup
1 Danny Devlin Ballinascreen
2 Colin Murray Bellaghy
3 Eugene Scullion Bellaghy
4 Dermot McBride Ballinascreen
5 Liam Morrow Kilrea
6 Gerard O'Kane Glenullin
7 Michael Drumm Lavey
8 Mark Craig Dungiven
9 Philip McGlade Ballinascreen
10 Sean Leo McGoldrick Coleraine
11 Aidan McAlynn Loup
12 Kevin O'Neill Lavey
13 Barry McGoldrick Coleraine
14 Kevin 'Moss' McGuckin Ballinderry
15 John McCamley Glen
16 Paul Morgan Kilrea
17 Brian McCallion Greenlough
18 Martin Donaghy Claudy
19 Mark Lynch Banagher
20 Ciaran McGoldrick Coleraine
21 Enda Lynn Greenlough
22 Emmett McGuckin Magherafelt
23 Eoghan Brown Bellaghy
24 Paddy Bradley Glenullin
25 Cailean O'Boyle Lavey
26 Conleith Gilligan Ballinderry
Monaghan 's Squad for McKenna Cup
Bernard O'Brien, Latton
Karl O'Connell, Tyholland
Chris McGuinness, Ballybay
Ciaran Daly, Donaghmoyne
Ciaran Hanratty, Castleblayney
Ciaran Galligan, Monaghan Harps
Owen Lennon, Latton
Darren Hughes, Scotstown
David Millar, Drumhowan
Dermot Malone, Castleblayney
Donal Morgan, Scotstown
Drew Wylie, Ballybay
Eoin Duffy, Latton
James Bellew, Emyvale
James Turley, Scotstown
Kieran Duffy, Latton
Mark Downey, Carrickmacross
Mark Keogh, Sean McDermotts
Matthew McKenna, Inniskeen
Paul Finlay, Ballybay
Ronan McNally, Tyholland
Rory Beggan, Scotstown
Shane Smyth, Monaghan Harps
Stephen Gollogly, Carrickmacross
Tommy O'Neill, Ballybay
Vincent Corey. Clontribret
Disappointing squad to be honest. Beggan is a good keeper so he is worth a try. Some of the other new faces are simply not up to county level and not even stand out performers in their clubs leagues. I'm not sure which Monaghan players will be playing for 3rd level teams in the January compeitions. NFL squad will be much different from this.
I think Cavan is the only county yet to name a squad for the mckenna cup..
Is that David Millar who was on monaghan u21s panel last year?
Down (Dr McKenna Cup squad): Brendan McVeigh, Damian Turley, Daniel McCartan, Dan Gordon, Daniel McCartan, Niall Brannigan, Kevin Duffin, Conor Garvey, Brendan McArdle, Mark Doran, Darren O'Hagan, Peter Turley, Conor Gough, Kalum King, Ambrose Rogers, Aidan Carr, Daniel Hughes, Niall McParland, Arthur McConville, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, Eoin McCartan, Paul McComiskey, Marcus Miskelly.
I am a bit disappointed Phillip Bonny isn't there, thought he showed well last year. No sign of the Aiden Brannigan, Polands, Liam Doyle or McGinn. Are they injured or just being rested? Also several defenders missing, Rafferty and McKernan are fit so I guess they are being rested, I don't think Rooney is fit is he?
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 22, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
I think Cavan is the only county yet to name a squad for the mckenna cup..
Is that David Millar who was on monaghan u21s panel last year?
Yeah, that's him alright. He's been on U-21 team for the past two years. To be honest I don't think he's up to senior standard. I know Dessie Mone is with UUJ this year for McKenna Cup, Dick Clerkin will be on honeymoon, Conor McManus is injuried. Colin Walsh is with DIT, Jack McCarron is with DCU. Is Neil McAdam still with DCU this year? David Hughes with DIT?
I hope Kieran Hughes and Gavin Doogan return for NFL panel.
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 19, 2011, 07:03:03 PM
After been told that St. Mary's v Armagh will be played in Crossmaglen and so will the Armagh v Fermanagh game aswell.
Armagh and Fermanagh are in different groups. Must be the Monaghan game you're on about.
Has it been confirmed yet about matches moving to Crossmaglen?
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 22, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
I think Cavan is the only county yet to name a squad for the mckenna cup..
Is that David Millar who was on monaghan u21s panel last year?
Probably not naming a panel because they know the ruptions that they are going to cause when its official that Seanie Johnston isn't on it along with some others.
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Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on December 05, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Thought Inniskeen or Crossmaglen would have got a game but it just shows you what Ulster Council think.
North and Mid Armagh fans have had to travel to Cross for years. There hasnt been any matches in North armagh for years either. Now we have a fantastic ground in the Cathedral city and it's handy for everyone in the county.
I was at the Armag v Queens match a couple years back. Plus Davitt has been getting redeveloped the last year and a bit or so (Clans posters can correct me?) that has ruled it out.
There was a game against (possibly) Derry in Lurgan as well. I think it was 2008 as it was on tg4 and I think it was Peter McDonnell's first match in charge.
I think you're right, was that the match Enda Lynn had a bit of a stormer against us?
I also think your clubman McCreesh was playing that day, how is he doing now, is he still playing? Two McCreeshs on that day - Paudie and Gerard I think.
Armagh`s home games are at The Morgan Athletic Grounds. This was in yesterdays Irish News.
Any word on an Armagh panel yet, everyone else has announced theirs?
Anybody know anywhere to view odds on McKenna cup?
Team is in todays Irishnews.
Niall Geoghan, Andy Mallon, Brendan Donaghy, Finian Moriarity, David Lavery, Ciaran McKeever, Declan McKenna, Charlie Vernon, Malachy Mackin, Gareth Swift, Aidan Forker, Billy Joe Padden, Micheal O'Rourke, Sean Moore, Brian Mallon, Sean Hughes, Adrian Conlon, Mark Shields, Aaron Findon, James Lavery, Eugene McDonnell, Stefan Campbell, Pauric Gribben, Eugene McVerry, Ryan Rafferty, Michael Stevenson.
Full Down Panel for the Mc Kenna Cup competition
1 Brendan McVeigh An Riocht
2 Damian Turley Downpatrick
3 Daniel McCartan Burren
4 Dan Gordan Loughinisland
5 Niall Brannigan Kilcoo
6 Kevin Duffin Castlewellan
7 Mark Doran Longstone
8 Peter Turley Downpatrick
9 Conor Gough Shamrocks
10 Kalum King Bryansford
11 Ambrose Rogers Longstone
12 Aidan Carr Clonduff
13 Daniel Hughes Saval
14 Niall McParland Glenn
15 Brendan Coulter Mayobridge
16 Michael McAllister Clan Na Banna
17 Arthur McConville Clonduff
18 Conor Laverty Kilocoo
19 Eoin McCartan Burren
20 Marcus Miskelly Darragh Cross
21 Aidan Brannigan Kilcoo
22 Liam Doyle Liatroim
23 David McKibben Bryansford
24 Kevin Anderson Annaclone
25 Keith Quinn Mayobridge
26 Ryan Brady Mayobridge
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 02, 2012, 06:31:22 PM
Niall Geoghan, Andy Mallon, Brendan Donaghy, Finian Moriarity, David Lavery, Ciaran McKeever, Declan McKenna, Charlie Vernon, Malachy Mackin, Gareth Swift, Aidan Forker, Billy Joe Padden, Micheal O'Rourke, Sean Moore, Brian Mallon, Sean Hughes, Adrian Conlon, Mark Shields, Aaron Findon, James Lavery, Eugene McDonnell, Stefan Campbell, Pauric Gribben, Eugene McVerry, Ryan Rafferty, Michael Stevenson.
and does not include Armagh man Conor Gough. What were you thinking Conor?
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 02, 2012, 06:31:22 PM
Niall Geoghan, Andy Mallon, Brendan Donaghy, Finian Moriarity, David Lavery, Ciaran McKeever, Declan McKenna, Charlie Vernon, Malachy Mackin, Gareth Swift, Aidan Forker, Billy Joe Padden, Micheal O'Rourke, Sean Moore, Brian Mallon, Sean Hughes, Adrian Conlon, Mark Shields, Aaron Findon, James Lavery, Eugene McDonnell, Stefan Campbell, Pauric Gribben, Eugene McVerry, Ryan Rafferty, Michael Stevenson.
Is Rory Grugan injured or unavailable? He really impressed me last season.
Grugan has a shoulder injury. Apparently out until April. Could be a big miss for the u21s in particular.
What is micky harte playing at?
Paddy tally has spoke against this today, about St Marys having a small pick of players and yet harte wants Marys's two best players, sean o neill and peter harte. Why does peter harte, who played plenty of football last year, have to play for his county in the micky mouse mckenna cup. It's one thing taking players from UUJ or Queens, but St Mary's have very little to start with.
National league, which no team ever seems to want to win, is surely plenty of time to get a team together to get systems going. I would say the same if Armagh did this as well. And yes, harte and other managers will say that it's up to the players to choose, but we all know they don't really have a choice. The only thing that's important at this time of year for a college player is sigerson next month, the mckenna cup and national league are shadow boxing cups, rubbish
Where a player is established on his County panel (e.g. P Harte) the County Manager is not going to learn much in the McKenna cup and they should be allowed to play for the University to leave room in the County panel for another player.
It is slightly different for fringe players who may be border line for making the cut for the National league. They will have established themselves in the Sigerson panel but may need a couple of games to impress their County manager so they have some football beyond Sigerson.
Anyone have the Queens panel?
Quote from: Orchardman on January 04, 2012, 01:33:28 PM
What is micky harte playing at?
Paddy tally has spoke against this today, about St Marys having a small pick of players and yet harte wants Marys's two best players, sean o neill and peter harte. Why does peter harte, who played plenty of football last year, have to play for his county in the micky mouse mckenna cup. It's one thing taking players from UUJ or Queens, but St Mary's have very little to start with.
National league, which no team ever seems to want to win, is surely plenty of time to get a team together to get systems going. I would say the same if Armagh did this as well. And yes, harte and other managers will say that it's up to the players to choose, but we all know they don't really have a choice. The only thing that's important at this time of year for a college player is sigerson next month, the mckenna cup and national league are shadow boxing cups, rubbish
Agree wholeheartedly.
I would imagine MH wants to let the fringe/new players have a solid base of established players to bring them on in each game and help them ease into the side. It makes no sense for Tyrone to field 15 inexperienced players.
A new forward will show what he can do much better with Peter Harte feeding him the ball than chasing after poor ball in which is a result of, nerves, over eagerness or a 'look at me' syndrome.
Add in the fact that MH doesn't believe the colleges should be wagging the dog.....
Not saying this is right or wrong but would be my take on the logic behind it.
Surely there's an abundance of established players available to any manager without the 3/4 that are college students?
Quote from: Orchardman on January 04, 2012, 01:33:28 PM
What is micky harte playing at?
Paddy tally has spoke against this today, about St Marys having a small pick of players and yet harte wants Marys's two best players, sean o neill and peter harte. Why does peter harte, who played plenty of football last year, have to play for his county in the micky mouse mckenna cup. It's one thing taking players from UUJ or Queens, but St Mary's have very little to start with.
Micky harte is a great manager and must be admired. But his continual disrespect to the McKenna cup is a disgrace. It should be simple. It should not be the players choice. If teh University wants them then they should be cup-tied to the university, whether they choose to play or not. No player should be allowed to opt out of the uni team to play for the county. The only reason a player should be able to play for his county while at uni should be if the uni team state they don't want him.
Utter bollocks. County football is more important than university football. M Harte knows what hes at, and is right to claim those players for the good of his team. It might not be great for the competition, but if you're trying to build a team and also a team mentality, its not great having a few of your players playing against you at any point in the season. And the NFL is pretty high stakes now - its not the experimentation ground it once was. From Tyrones point of view, this is a great policy of Hartes
Quote from: haranguerer on January 05, 2012, 08:37:54 AM
Utter bollocks. County football is more important than university football. M Harte knows what hes at, and is right to claim those players for the good of his team. It might not be great for the competition, but if you're trying to build a team and also a team mentality, its not great having a few of your players playing against you at any point in the season. And the NFL is pretty high stakes now - its not the experimentation ground it once was. From Tyrones point of view, this is a great policy of Hartes
I think it disrespects the competition in the respect that it becomes just another inter county competition and doesn't give the universities a fair crack at the title as their best players are being forced into playing for their county! The Uni's are just there to make up the numbers which is not fair in any competition!
Of course I understand harte's position is that a new team needs built, and he will be the one getting it in the neck if things don't go well this summer. But at the same time, this is only for basically 3-4 weeks, and wer talking about 2-3 players only.
To me it's more the stubbornness that he's been at this since around 2007 when he picked a load of UUJ players like coly cavanagh etc, and there was a big ruckus about it. He ended up winning the war as usual, and the Ulster council backed down. Harte's line is that the college teams are lucky to be in the mckenna cup and should just be happy with that, maybe we should just let him run the Ulster council.
By the way, though I'm a teacher, I didn't go to St Mary's, so have no care of how they do, but it's the issue at hand that is not right. No sign of him helping his old pal paddy tally from 2003
Quote from: haranguerer on January 05, 2012, 08:37:54 AM
Utter bollocks. County football is more important than university football. M Harte knows what hes at, and is right to claim those players for the good of his team. It might not be great for the competition, but if you're trying to build a team and also a team mentality, its not great having a few of your players playing against you at any point in the season. And the NFL is pretty high stakes now - its not the experimentation ground it once was. From Tyrones point of view, this is a great policy of Hartes
Yes, no doubt about it, county football is the big one. That is county football playing championship in the summer is the big stuff, way ahead of anything. In terms of football from January to march, sigerson is much more important for some people. Personally speaking, I would never go to any mckenna cup or national league game. I agree it should be more important, and that's another grip i have with the whole drawn out county season with meaningless games, until the season really starts in JULY!
Ultimately it's club football I'm interested in, not university nor county football.
Anyway, best of luck to Micky in 2012
Mickey Harte is 100% correct in picking the lads to play for Tyrone. I suspect these fellas would prefer to play for their county as it could lead to playing in the biggest games in the GAA calendar, so its nonsense to suggest that these players should be forced to play for their Universities. Although the Sigerson is a mighty competition it is not quite as important as those involved in it actually think it is. What is the average attendance at Sigerson Cup finals? Ive been to a few and it would be no more than a big McKenna cup game.
As for the point about Peter Harte being an established Tyrone player? In my opinion that just isnt true yet and he, as much as anyone, needs games in a Tyrone jersey. What i saw last year was an immensely talented player, who was struggling at times with the demands of inter county football. More games with experienced Tyrone players in the less pressurised environment of the McKenna cup will only help his progression.
Someone once argued to me that Harte's selection of college players in the Mc Kenna Cup worked against players who were tradesmen. Guys that came from McCrory football had the Sigerson Cup to highlight to county managers there ability and worth as serious inter-county players. Players who had played vocational schools should have the McKenna Cup to show what they can do especially when playing against the college sides. There is a certain truth in that, moreso in the case of tradesmen playing with clubs in the lower leagues where the club competition wouldn't be rated as highly.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
What is the average attendance at Sigerson Cup finals? Ive been to a few and it would be no more than a big McKenna cup game.
Some college football has higher attendance figures than NFL, attendance figures are a moot point given the general scheduling of Sigerson games. I've been to plenty of McKenna cup and Sigerson games and one is mile better than the other.
I'm with the college bosses on this. They have added plenty to the competition and are handicapped entering as they are always away, the Sigerson comes just after the competition while county teams still have a couple of months and a full league programme to try stuff. I think it's fairly plain to see, in my opinion.
Thursday, January 5th, 2012 | Posted by admin
One New Face for Tyrone v Queens
The long wait for a return to inter county football is almost over. Mickey has named a new look Tyrone team to take on Queens who are probably the strongest of the University sides in this years competition. Urney's Johnny Lafferty makes his first appearance in a Tyrone Senior team while Peter Harte moves to centre half back. The word is that Stephen O'Neill has picked up a hand injury and isn't available for this game.
1 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
2 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
3 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
5 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mór
6 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
8 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
9 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
11 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
12 Michael Murphy – Gallbhaile
13 Patrick McNiece – Oilean a'Ghuail
14 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
15 Tommy McGuigan – Árd Bó
17 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
18 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
19 Kyle Coney – Árd Bó
20 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
21 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
24 Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
26 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
Mickey Harte is 100% correct in picking the lads to play for Tyrone. I suspect these fellas would prefer to play for their county as it could lead to playing in the biggest games in the GAA calendar, so its nonsense to suggest that these players should be forced to play for their Universities. Although the Sigerson is a mighty competition it is not quite as important as those involved in it actually think it is. What is the average attendance at Sigerson Cup finals? Ive been to a few and it would be no more than a big McKenna cup game.
As for the point about Peter Harte being an established Tyrone player? In my opinion that just isnt true yet and he, as much as anyone, needs games in a Tyrone jersey. What i saw last year was an immensely talented player, who was struggling at times with the demands of inter county football. More games with experienced Tyrone players in the less pressurised environment of the McKenna cup will only help his progression.
Nail on head.
Players should have the choice to play for whichever team they want. If I was a young player trying to break into a county panel I know which team Id prefer to be playing for.
As has been said those who have played sigerson football appear to make more of it than others and I do believe that the level it is played at is exaggerated a tat with some very average players playing. The mckenna cup should be used firstly as a buildup to the national league for county teams, sigerson second.
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
Mickey Harte is 100% correct in picking the lads to play for Tyrone. I suspect these fellas would prefer to play for their county as it could lead to playing in the biggest games in the GAA calendar, so its nonsense to suggest that these players should be forced to play for their Universities. Although the Sigerson is a mighty competition it is not quite as important as those involved in it actually think it is. What is the average attendance at Sigerson Cup finals? Ive been to a few and it would be no more than a big McKenna cup game.
As for the point about Peter Harte being an established Tyrone player? In my opinion that just isnt true yet and he, as much as anyone, needs games in a Tyrone jersey. What i saw last year was an immensely talented player, who was struggling at times with the demands of inter county football. More games with experienced Tyrone players in the less pressurised environment of the McKenna cup will only help his progression.
Nail on head.
Players should have the choice to play for whichever team they want. If I was a young player trying to break into a county panel I know which team Id prefer to be playing for.
As has been said those who have played sigerson football appear to make more of it than others and I do believe that the level it is played at is exaggerated a tat with some very average players playing. The mckenna cup should be used firstly as a buildup to the national league for county teams, sigerson second.
I disagree. It's not like Tyrone would have a lack of talented players to try out in the McKenna Cup. The college ruling would be sorer on the smaller pools of players such as Fermanagh and Antrim.
It's a massive year for Mickey and Tyrone - it may possibly be make or break for him and he has every right to pick the players he wants. With a ridiculous winter training ban, the McKenna cup is the only prep he has for the league - I'm sure he won't want an unprepared team lining out in less than a month in front of 50,000 people at Croke Park?
Quote from: tonysoprano on January 02, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
Anybody know anywhere to view odds on McKenna cup?
Ladbrokes odds on McKenna Cup
Tyrone 9/4
Derry 4/1
Donegal 5/1
Down 7/1
Armagh 8/1
Monaghan 8/1
UUJ 10/1
Queens 10/1
Fermanagh 14/1
Cavan 20/1
Antrim 20/1
St Marys 40/1
Match odds from Ladbrokes
08 Jan. 14:00
Tyrone vs Queens - (McKenna Cup)
4/11 8/1 5/2
08 Jan. 14:00
Fermanagh vs Antrim - (McKenna Cup)
10/11 13/2 11/10
08 Jan. 14:00
Monaghan vs St Marys - (McKenna Cup)
1/7 10/1 5/1
08 Jan. 14:00
Down vs Armagh - (McKenna Cup)
2/3 13/2 3/2
08 Jan. 14:00
Derry vs Cavan - (McKenna Cup)
4/9 8/1 2/1
08 Jan. 14:00
Donegal vs UUJ - (McKenna Cup)
2/5 15/2 9/4
08 Jan. 14:00
Waterford vs Tralee IT - (McGrath Cup)
2/3 13/2 3/2
08 Jan. 14:00
Clare vs UL - (McGrath Cup)
1/2 15/2 15/8
08 Jan. 14:00
Roscommon vs GMIT - (FBD League )
4/9 8/1 2/1
08 Jan. 14:00
Mayo vs Leitrim - (FBD League )
1/5 9/1 4/1
08 Jan. 14:00
Galway vs NUIG - (FBD League )
8/11 13/2 11/8
08 Jan. 14:00
Meath vs Wexford - (O'Byrne Cup)
1/2 15/2 15/8
08 Jan. 14:00
Wicklow vs DCU - (O'Byrne Cup)
5/2 8/1 4/11
08 Jan. 14:00
Longford vs Athlone IT - (O'Byrne Cup)
2/7 17/2 3/1
08 Jan. 14:00
Kildare vs Dublin IT - (O'Byrne Cup)
2/3 13/2 3/2
08 Jan. 14:00
Offaly vs Westmeath - (O'Byrne Cup)
5/6 13/2 6/5
08 Jan. 14:00
Carlow vs Dublin - (O'Byrne Cup)
4/1 9/1 1/5
08 Jan. 14:00
Laois vs UCD - (O'Byrne Cup)
11/8 13/2 8/11
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 05, 2012, 08:31:43 AM
Micky harte is a great manager and must be admired. But his continual disrespect to the McKenna cup is a disgrace. It should be simple. It should not be the players choice. If teh University wants them then they should be cup-tied to the university, whether they choose to play or not. No player should be allowed to opt out of the uni team to play for the county. The only reason a player should be able to play for his county while at uni should be if the uni team state they don't want him.
Harte has always aimed to win the McKenna Cup, unlike some who treat it very much as preparation for the challenges ahead and aren't so concerned about winning the matches. How can Harte be "disrespecting" the tournament by trying to get the strongest possible collection of players together for it? ??? Tyrone are building a new team and need every possible chance to see the players in competitive games, I think he is quite correct.
Despite my previous criticism of harte, i do agree he actually done the cup a good turn in the past by going full tilt at winning it. I seem to remember Tyrone winning it nearly all the time in his first 5 years anyway.
Not sure what Tyrone posters would say but I would imagine there was always something special with the fact that the late Cormac McAnallen played his last game (I think it was delayed til late feb) in a McKenna cup final, and his one and only cup as senior captain.
On the Armagh squad - what club does Niall Geoghan play for? Good to see Swift back and good to see the 2 maghery boys get a chance. Still no sign of Stefan Forker?
Quote from: bigfrank on January 05, 2012, 08:16:08 PM
1 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
2 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
3 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
5 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mór
6 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
8 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
9 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
11 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
12 Michael Murphy – Gallbhaile
13 Patrick McNiece – Oilean a'Ghuail
14 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
15 Tommy McGuigan – Árd Bó
17 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
18 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
19 Kyle Coney – Árd Bó
20 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
21 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
22 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
24 Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
26 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
Interesting enough. I'd imagine we'll see the subs heavily involved too.
Would highly back Londonderry to win and yes I am a protestant and I follow the GAA, quite vividly.
Quote from: regal on January 05, 2012, 11:35:49 PM
On the Armagh squad - what club does Niall Geoghan play for? Good to see Swift back and good to see the 2 maghery boys get a chance. Still no sign of Stefan Forker?
According to the Armagh forum, he's studying in England.
Micky Harte is correct in going for the McKenna Cup.
With a team like that, he won't win too much else.
Crossmaglen would give that team some roasting.
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 05, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Would highly back Londonderry to win and yes I am a protestant and I follow the GAA, quite vividly.
Not vividly enough to know there is no team called londonderry in the mckenna cup no matter what you would like them to be called. Anyway, I predict Cavan will beat derry on Sunday. Btw, where I'm from plenty of protestants play and follow gaa - you are not alone.
Who are missing from that Tyrone squad?
Sean Cavanagh, Ricey, Gormley, Joe McMahon, Hub, Mugsy, Davy Harte, Stephen O'Neill....?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 06, 2012, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 05, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Would highly back Londonderry to win and yes I am a protestant and I follow the GAA, quite vividly.
Not vividly enough to know there is no team called londonderry in the mckenna cup no matter what you would like them to be called. Anyway, I predict Cavan will beat derry on Sunday. Btw, where I'm from plenty of protestants play and follow gaa - you are not alone.
Listen, there are 32 Counties in Northern Ireland and down south, and 31 of them have a Gaelic football team with the exact same name as there county so why should Londonderry be called Derry, I think it is highly disrespectful to the British by dropping the London. So I will not rest until Londonderry is placed upon the GAA jersey of Londonderry and also they replace the Derry written on the Sam Maguire Cup with Londonderry.
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 06, 2012, 12:22:28 AM
Listen, there are 32 Counties in Northern Ireland and down south, and 31 of them have a Gaelic football team with the exact same name as there county so why should Londonderry be called Derry, I think it is highly disrespectful to the British by dropping the London. So I will not rest until Londonderry is placed upon the GAA jersey of Londonderry and also they replace the Derry written on the Sam Maguire Cup with Londonderry.
Don't expect that to happen anytime soon, dude.
By the way, I presume what's written on Sam is 'Doire', not 'Derry'.
Quote from: regal on January 05, 2012, 11:35:49 PM
On the Armagh squad - what club does Niall Geoghan play for? Good to see Swift back and good to see the 2 maghery boys get a chance. Still no sign of Stefan Forker?
Niall plays for Middletown
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 06, 2012, 12:22:28 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 06, 2012, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 05, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Would highly back Londonderry to win and yes I am a protestant and I follow the GAA, quite vividly.
Not vividly enough to know there is no team called londonderry in the mckenna cup no matter what you would like them to be called. Anyway, I predict Cavan will beat derry on Sunday. Btw, where I'm from plenty of protestants play and follow gaa - you are not alone.
Listen, there are 32 Counties in Northern Ireland and down south, and 31 of them have a Gaelic football team with the exact same name as there county so why should Londonderry be called Derry, I think it is highly disrespectful to the British by dropping the London. So I will not rest until Londonderry is placed upon the GAA jersey of Londonderry and also they replace the Derry written on the Sam Maguire Cup with Londonderry.
This has got nothing to do with the McKenna cup. By all means please open a separate thread and I am sure you will get plenty of replies. Incidentally there is a team that does not have the exact same name as its county name. And its not Derry.
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 05, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Would highly back Londonderry to win and yes I am a protestant and I follow the GAA, quite vividly.
Were you an
avid follower, you might be worth taking seriously. :P
Still no Cavan panel? Maybe we are going to do a Kilkenny on it ???
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2012, 10:43:31 PM
Are Antrim really that dung? Haven't seen a panel yet though.
Antrim team to play Fermanagh in the McKenna Cup on Sunday at Brewster Park, Enniskillen
1 Willie McSorley (St Brigid's)
2 Patrick Gallagher (Glenavy)
3 Ricky Johnston (Creggan)
4 Ryan Daly (St. Brigid's)
5 Tony Scullion (Cargin)
6 Justin Crozier (Cargin)
7 James Loughrey (St. Brigid's)
8 Conal Kelly (St. John's)
9 Aodhan Gallagher (St. Gall's) Captain
10 Conor Murray (Lamh Dhearg)
11 Kevin Marron (Moneyglass)
12 Michael Armstrong (O'Donovan Rossa)
13 Colm Duffin (Moneyglass)
14 Michael Magill (Randalstown)
15 Paddy Cunningham (Lamh Dhearg)
16 Chris Kerr (St Gall's)
17 Kevin Brady (Moneyglass)
18 Mark Dougan (Creggan)
19 Sean Finch (O'Donovan Rossa)
20 Marty Johnston (Creggan)
21 Mark McAleese (Portglenone)
22 Patrick McBride (St John's)
23 Michael McCann (Cargin)
24 Tomas McCann (Cargin)
25 Simon McDonagh (St. John's)
26 Brian Neeson (St. John's)
27 Deaghlan O'Hagan (St. Brigid's)
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k389/quantumleaping/89bf89e9.jpg)
Quote from: Robert Emmet Park on January 05, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Would highly back Londonderry to win and yes I am a protestant and I follow the GAA, quite vividly.
Oh great, another character. Who's alt is this?
ffs - could he make it any more obvious he is taking the piss? How hard is it to ignore, or answer in kind if you desire??
What age is Antrim's Kevin Brady? He seems tpo have been around forever.
Anyone know whether queens wikk have a strong outfit out against tyrone. wasnt overly impressed with them in last years sigerson.
Is stevie mc donnell in the armagh squad or have they picked a team foe.clash against down on sunday. fancy.down to beat them at.home.in newry especially.with the crossmaglen lads not available.
remember these two sides played out a cracker of a game in the first round of this competition last year.
6/4 for tyrone and down double with william hill the bet for me this weekend......
Geton!!!!!!!
Quote from: Orior on January 06, 2012, 04:30:48 PM
What age is Antrim's Kevin Brady? He seems tpo have been around forever.
Think he's 33 ??? Great servant to the county.
Quote from: Gaabellting on January 06, 2012, 04:57:11 PM
Anyone know whether queens wikk have a strong outfit out against tyrone. wasnt overly impressed with them in last years sigerson.
Is stevie mc donnell in the armagh squad or have they picked a team foe.clash against down on sunday. fancy.down to beat them at.home.in newry especially.with the crossmaglen lads not available.
remember these two sides played out a cracker of a game in the first round of this competition last year.
6/4 for tyrone and down double with william hill the bet for me this weekend......
Geton!!!!!!!
Stevie is taking a break until March i believe..
Armagh team, not expecting much with that line up.
Geoghan, Conlon, Vernon, McKenna, D Lavery, A Mallon, Shields, McDonnell, Duffy, A Forker, B Mallon, Swift, Campbell, BJ Padden, McVerry
been a long time since a Middletown man represented Armagh, good luck tomorrow Niall
Both Down and Armagh have lined up reserve teams. We will learn little tomorrow about who is the better championship team but I hope at least the players serve up a good entertaining game. Lets hope we can have a night of good football and take it as a fun local derby and a chance to see some rising potential, even though it is now effectively meaningless.
Monaghan starting XV v St. Mary's: Mark Keogh (Seán McDermotts); Karl O'Connell (Tyholland), Darren Hughes (Capt., Scotstown), Dermot Malone (Castleblayney); Conor Galligan (Monaghan Harps), Vincent Corey (Clontibret), Thomas O'Neill (Ballybay); Ciarán Daly (Donaghmoyne), Paul Finlay (Ballybay); Matthew McKenna (Inniskeen), Stephen Gollogly (Carrickmacross), James Turley (Scotstown); Ciarán Hanratty (Castleblayney), Shane Smyth (Monaghan Harps), Bernard O'Brien (Latton)
Subs: Rory Beggan (Scotstown), Mark Downey (Carrickmacross), Owen Duffy (Latton), Donal Morgan (Scotstown), James Bellew (Emyvale), Ronan McNally (Tyholland), David Millar (Drumhowan), Peter O'Hanlon (Carrickmacross), Pete Dooney (Aughnamullen), Owen Lennon (Latton), Fintan Kelly (Clones).
St. Mary's starting XV: Niall Morgan (Edendork, Tyrone); Michael Slane (Carrickmore, Tyrone), Daniel McBride (Strabane, Tyrone), Eoin McArdle (Cullyhanna, Armagh); Conor O'Hara (Dromore, Tyrone), Gavin Teague (Ardboe, Tyrone), Michael Murray (Cullyhanna); Niall Donnelly (Tullylish, Down), Richard O'Callaghan (Enniskillen Gaels, Fermanagh); Declan McCusker (Ederney, Fermanagh), Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge, Down), Niall Sludden (Dromore); Christopher Conaghan (Termon, Donegal), Oisín McKeever (Annaghmore, Armagh), Brian Doyle (The Loup, Derry).
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 22, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
I think Cavan is the only county yet to name a squad for the mckenna cup..
Is that David Millar who was on monaghan u21s panel last year?
Andrews' Breffni select announced07 January 2012
The Cavan team for Sunday's Dr Mc Kenna Cup tie against Derry has been announced. Manager Val Andrews has included three players that started last years U21 All Ireland final, Redhills' Oisin Minagh takes his place at corner back, Gearoid McKiernan lines out at midfield while Niall McDermott joins Eugene Keating and Raymond Galligan in the full forward line. McKiernan is partnered at midfield with Mountnugent's David Givney.
Cavan (McKenna Cup v Derry) - Fintan Reilly, Oisin Minagh, Sean McCormack, Fergal Slowey, Dane O'Dowd, Padraigh O'Reilly, Damien O'Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan, David Givney, Mark McKeever, Ray Cullivan, Stephen Jordan, Niall McDermott, Eugene Keating, Raymond Galligan.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160000
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 07, 2012, 05:58:44 PM
Armagh team, not expecting much with that line up.
Geoghan, Conlon, Vernon, McKenna, D Lavery, A Mallon, Shields, McDonnell, Duffy, A Forker, B Mallon, Swift, Campbell, BJ Padden, McVerry
Good to see CV given a chance a full back, hopefully he takes his opportunity as this could be a position for him (Donaghy could easily play elsewhere). Good luck to all the debutants and hopefully Anto Duffy shows up well at midfield
Armagh minor from last year Connor Gough starting in midfield for Down tomorrow. Be interesting to see how he gets on.
pearseog, what is Gough's background? School, club, home? Thanks.
Connor Gough didnt play minor last year for Armagh that was his brother
Quote from: NP 76 on January 08, 2012, 03:11:07 AM
Connor Gough didnt play minor last year for Armagh that was his brother
Connor was playing midfield for armagh minors last year I think.
Quote from: gander on January 08, 2012, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 08, 2012, 03:11:07 AM
Connor Gough didnt play minor last year for Armagh that was his brother
Connor was playing midfield for armagh minors last year I think.
He played midfield for the minors in 2010. His brother Conall played as a forward for the minors in 2011. Several shit journalists have failed to differentiate between the two in recent stories.
Good to see Niall Geoghegan get a chance, good goalkeeper.
Inexperienced team but the potential to unearth a few gems is there. Really hoping McVerry can push on and show more of the potential we saw in 2009. His first half against Kildare that year was awesome
Donegal team v UUJ
P Boyle,
Witherow, N McGee, McGrath,
M Boyle, A Thompson, McGlynn,
Gallagher, McManus,
G McFadden, Bradley, Walsh,
Toye, Griffin, Molloy
Only the 1 debutant. C Mc Manus (kilcar) in midfield
Quote from: Derry on January 08, 2012, 01:29:58 AM
Derry to retain their McKenna cup in 2012 starting with a hard clash against Cavan at Celtic Park tomorrow.
Derry by 5pts.
Do you win hard clashes by 5 points?
Tyrone 1-13 1-05 Queen's
Fermanagh 2-11 1-06 Antrim
Monaghan 0-14 0-06 St Mary's
Down 2-12 0-10 Armagh
Derry 0-13 0-12 Cavan
Donegal 0-09 0-11 UUJ
Watch Ronie O'Neill's goal for Tyrone here - http://tinyurl.com/6n3yhlt (http://tinyurl.com/6n3yhlt)
Quote from: Any craic on January 08, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
Watch Ronie O'Neill's goal for Tyrone here - http://tinyurl.com/6n3yhlt (http://tinyurl.com/6n3yhlt)
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Deadly. ::)
Was at the Monaghan game. Not too bad of a performance! James Turley , Paul Finlay and Dermot Malone were best for Monaghan. St.Marys keeper morgan had an excellent game too
Works for me there now Hashtag, keep trying!
Quote from: Any craic on January 08, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
Works for me there now Hashtag, keep trying!
works now ;D
http://www.jeromequinnmedia.com/video/McKenna-Cup/Queens/Goal-Queens-v-Tyrone-853 (http://www.jeromequinnmedia.com/video/McKenna-Cup/Queens/Goal-Queens-v-Tyrone-853)
Cracking goal. First two passes were sublime!
Poor stuff at Omagh,Queens could well have been ahead at ht only for some awful shooting and 2 saves from Devine.
Armagh were useless today, Down's margin of victory should have extended into double figures. Shit start to what is likely to be a shit year.
Quote from: Gaabellting on January 08, 2012, 01:49:07 PM
Donegal team v UUJ
P Boyle,
Witherow, N McGee, McGrath,
M Boyle, A Thompson, McGlynn,
Gallagher, McManus,
G McFadden, Bradley, Walsh,
Toye, Griffin, Molloy
Only the 1 debutant. C Mc Manus (kilcar) in midfield
Peter Withrow (st.michaels) and Gary McFadden (glenswilly) are both debutants aswell actually!
I dont know about youse, but when i wnet back to work last week, i was fucked. too much food and drink, and only really getting back to normal now.
Same deal with the first games of the McKenna cup - esp at healy Park. Hard to make a critical comment - new faces, in new positions. Strange seeing a new No 7 for Tyrone.
Queens had the edge but for some profligate shooting and some saves. Other than that, it was great to kick of the season. Deadly big crowd at Healy park - putting the season ticket aside, £9 for the game was steep, but didnt stop a big turn out.
great crowds across all games too....
and well done to Peter Canavan and the Fermanagh management team - deadly result
Exactly how there wasn't a red card for a Fermanagh man after that brawl today I will never know. An absolutely piss poor refereeing performance.
Quote from: AFS on January 08, 2012, 05:17:50 PM
Armagh were useless today, Down's margin of victory should have extended into double figures. Shit start to what is likely to be a shit year.
I take it the Charlie Vernon experiment at FB stops here and now!!!
Little enough positive to take from that today from an Armagh perspective. Steffan Campbell and Ryan Rafferty showed glimpses, certainly would like to see both starting the next match. Felt the final scoreline flattered Down a little as the missed frees cost us, 3 scoreable frees hit the post and there were other misses. Billy Joe Padden played very deep, disappointing as this isn't going to suit John Murtagh. Felt that withdrawing two debutants mid-way through the first half was a little hasty, bound to affect their confidence. Difficult to get overly enthused but at least it wasn't as cold as usual.
Ulster Council boasting of 13,000 at the McKenna Cup games today. How many of those were in Newry? 650 in Clones apparently. £9/€10 just too steep.
Am tempted to go to the Monaghan / Down game next Sunday, but at that price i'd have second thoughts.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 08, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
Ulster Council boasting of 13,000 at the McKenna Cup games today. How many of those were in Newry? 650 in Clones apparently. £9/€10 just too steep.
Am tempted to go to the Monaghan / Down game next Sunday, but at that price i'd have second thoughts.
There was a massive crowd for a McKenna Cup match at Newry. Stand and terrace were both pretty full.
Good to see a student rate for those of us who have still got ours - £5 in.
Match in itself was pretty poor, hard to take anything from it. Thought Gough did ok in the first half. Dan Gordon got some good catches, shows he is wasted at full back but who to put there in his place? The Down defence gave away far too many frees and if Armagh had a free taker it would have been a different story.
Was in clones today. Poor first half and the final score flattered Monaghan as St. Marys hit a lot of wides in a short space of time during the 2nd half especially. Finlay came into his own in the second half and was the main difference. Malone had an excellent outting as a corner back and was very composed on the ball. Turley also but in a great 70 mins around the middle. Also some of the subs did well when introduced. The St Marys keeper made 2 excellent saves and also came up and fired over a point. Monaghan will need to improve for next sunday if they intend to beat down.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 08, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
Ulster Council boasting of 13,000 at the McKenna Cup games today. How many of those were in Newry? 650 in Clones apparently. £9/€10 just too steep.
Am tempted to go to the Monaghan / Down game next Sunday, but at that price i'd have second thoughts.
Season ticket in Feemanagh, £20 gets you in to their group games and semi I believe...
A Down perspective
Crowd - the stand holds over 4,000 and was full, there was at least 1500 on the town terrace, so 5000+ which will equate to about 2,200 when Ulster Coucil annouvc=ce the attendance.
Carr was mom in first half, so much so that Armagh introduced Mckeever to mark him before half time (and he did leave his mark a couple of times).
Gordon owned the second half at midfield and (AT LAST) the penny should drop with wee James as to his midfield credentials. Good start by Gough until he tired (and Dan took over), gritty performance from Hughes, Doyle cruising back nicely, Miskelly a real prospect, Brady full of endeavour but, sorry lads, just too too small, King worth another go on the square, both Brannigans did well, D Turley shone in patches, Corkery carried most threat for Armagh but too interested in the niggly stuff.,
Interesting to see AOR go to the back of the stand for the second half for a proper view of the action.... and....
As for ink-run Sludden??????
Is this referee appointment lark a complete joke or we all missing something profound?
Armagh were leaderless and disjointed and Grimley appeared to be the man in charge.
Good start for Fercanavagh!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/16463562.stm
Very poor from Tyrone for 3/4 of the game. Lucky to be 3 up and not 6 behind at the half with Queens having 3 clear goal chances in the first 35. Found 3rd gear in last quarter and took a measure of control to pull away. It was only when the students went 1 up that we really looked to have any urgency.
All the failings of last year were evident. Slow build up, lack of pace all over, poor option taking etc etc.
Main positives were Lafferty who looked decent, showed for ball and wasn't afraid to shoot and Harte. For anyone who wondered why Harte was kept with Tyrone and not the ranch - today was the answer. Everything good came through him.
Not sure CHB suits him but Uncle seemed to be trying to use him like a deep sitting Quarterback and playmake from the back.
If this is an attempt to get quicker ball released to the forwards then maybe it might be worthwhile.
Pick of the rest: young Ronans first touch in a senior shirt = goal. Can't ask for more than that. Mattie got involved but would prefer to see him in FF line. Cass played ok.
On the downside Murphy was very poor. Not sure what he offers now that he hasn't the past few years. McNeice looked like he was out of his depth, but at least he will have time to improve.
Defence is the big worry. The nippy QUB forwards had the run of the place for long stretches.
Anyhow, as an exercise to blow the cobwebs out it did just fine.
See Tyrone debut boy Johnny Lafferty from Urney kick 3 points from play vs Queens today at Omagh - http://t.co/nzUgArrf (http://t.co/nzUgArrf)
Not working ac
Keep trying, it'll work sometime. Was the same with me.
Lafferty's last point was a great score. Also Seamus Quigley is a heavy f**ker, reminds me of Rory Woods.
Poor game and performance v early days. Positives to date. Midfield worked hard pj quinn gametime for justy and mc caul. Petey when he goes forward. Mc kenna and lafferty. Negatives held ball up too much lost shape many time. Roll on
Quote from: Leo on January 08, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
As for ink-run Sludden??????
Is this referee appointment lark a complete joke or we all missing something profound?
Armagh were leaderless and disjointed and Grimley appeared to be the man in charge.
Was not the worst ref performance ever, although from an Armagh point of view playing an advantage in the first half only for Armagh to lose the ball and Down go down the other end and score their first goal didn't help. (He signalled advantage with an outstretched arm by the way!) He seemed to stop playing advantage after that though!
As for your other comment I think you must be on the wind up. Grimley did no more than he did when he was assistant to Big Joe or Banty. He will offer an opinion no matter who is in charge. It was also very obvious before the game how many players O'Rourke went round to talk to. Unlike many I will reserve judgement on our new management team for a while yet.
See Mickey Harte verdict on yesterday, with the best action from the game - http://tinyurl.com/88xyxc7 (http://tinyurl.com/88xyxc7)
Crowd at Donegal v Jordanstown was 1,700-odd.
Jordanstown well worth their victory, although Donegal missed a couple of good goal chances in the 2nd half.
Best Jordanstown performance I've seen versus Donegal since they were admittted to the competition. We usually had the beating of them handy. But yesterday they tore into Donegal and deserved their win. Kieran Hughes was brilliant at full forward.
There was a good crowd at the Down game - was amazed, expected to be be able to drive up an park easily but didn't happen!
I suppose the relatively good weather and the fact it was Armagh brought the good crowd out, although £9 in was steep - didn't realise there was a £20 season ticket - would have bought it had known!
Its hard to tell how good down were, as Armagh were pretty dire, Down was good passing, midfield and winning the ball back.
I think Gough played well too - good addition to the team.
Its good to see James trying out new players and new positions, hopefully we'll get a good team together and continue to gather momentum as the year progressed.
It was a good start to the year anyway!
St. Mary's at home we need to win that one.
Can anyone post the St Mary's team from yesterday?
St. Mary's University, Belfast: N Morgan (0-2f); M Slane (Capt.), D McBride, E McArdle; C O'Hara, G Teague, M Murray; N Donnelly, R O'Callaghan; D McCusker, R Sexton, N Sludden; B Doyle (0-2f), O McKeever, C Conaghan.
Subs: C McMahon for McKeever (42), B Herron for McCusker, E Bradley (0-1f) for O'Callaghan (both 44), T Canavan for Conaghan (54), J Gilmore for Sexton (63).
Is that keeper from Tyrone, was he the same boy in nets for Dungannon Swifts tonight.
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/McKenna%20Cup%20tables.jpg)
Courtesy of http://www.hoganstand.com/tyrone/
Just wondering how did Kieran Hughes play at full for UUJ? Heard promising stories about him and i believe he playing for Scotstown U21s who are playing in the Ulster Tournament at the end of the month . Would it be worth going to watch him?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 10, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
Just wondering how did Kieran Hughes play at full for UUJ? Heard promising stories about him and i believe he playing for Scotstown U21s who are playing in the Ulster Tournament at the end of the month . Would it be worth going to watch him?
From what i've heard he had a great game. Will be great to have him back this year.
Quote from: onefaircounty on January 10, 2012, 12:04:04 AM
Is that keeper from Tyrone, was he the same boy in nets for Dungannon Swifts tonight.
Don't think so. Seen a wee bit of the Swifts game, and it wasn't John Devine in nets.
Might just go to Creggan to watch him play! Do they have a chance against omagh?
Quote from: onefaircounty on January 10, 2012, 12:04:04 AM
Is that keeper from Tyrone, was he the same boy in nets for Dungannon Swifts tonight.
Yes, the St Marys keeper is Niall Morgan from Edendork and he was playing for the Swifts the other night. He's a very good goalie with an excellent kick out and a la Stephen Cluxton takes long range frees and 45s. Hopefully Mickey will give him a run in the Tyrone team before we lose him to soccer.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 10, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
Just wondering how did Kieran Hughes play at full for UUJ? Heard promising stories about him and i believe he playing for Scotstown U21s who are playing in the Ulster Tournament at the end of the month . Would it be worth going to watch him?
Hughes was excellent and to be honest gave Neil McGee a bit of a roasting. He moved out to half forward for the last 15 mins and I'd say McGee was glad to see the back of him.
Hughes didn't score, but he caused havoc every time the ball went into the full forward line. Out in front all the time, jab lifting the ball off either foot, and he created a couple of goal chances by sending in passes that his teammates just couldn't quite get to.
An impressive performance - it's a pity he didn't score right enough as that would have made it a complete performance. By my tally though, he didn't even hit a wide.
A play-making, non-scoring performance at full forward.
Don't see this elsewhere on the board, Tyrone team for Sunday's match...
1 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
2 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
4 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
5 Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
6 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
8 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
9 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
11 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
12 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
13 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
14 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
15 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
17 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
18 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
19 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
20 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
21 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
22 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
24 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
25 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
26 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
Bit of experimentation there. Lafferty loses out to McKenna at FF despite a decent showing. Harte moved out of CHB. A few other switches. McKenna at FF will be an interesting one.
Even for the McKenna Cup its a very experimental team by Harte's standards. Interested to see how McNulty gets on at half back. Does anyone know much about McNamee? Very young forward line to. He can't be accused of not giving the younger boys a chance. McMahon will probably enjoy getting a go out the pitch.
Reading Rony McNamee has broke the ankle in U21 trial game - very unlucky seeing as he was due to get first Senior intercounty start on sunday.
I saw Armagh snatch a draw against St Mary's in Lurgan a few years ago. I expect St Mary's to go one better on Sunday.
I for one am delighted to see Mickey chop and change as much as he can.
The fact that he's not starting Lafferty speaks volumes of how Mickey rates him already I'd say.
Of course one swallow never made a summer but its good to see a freshness and hunger in the squad again.
Has McKenna played FF before, even for his club? How will he fair there dee yee think?
I hope to God Cassidy can stay injury free for a while now and not be another Collie Holmes style player.
For us non Tyrone based fans, can anyone give us some info on players like Peter Hughes, McNeice, Gervin, McNulty and McNamee?
How old are they and did they play county minor and what hope have they of making the squad.
Will be interesting to see how young O'Neill does this week. Will he get a full game?
I've not saw him since minor. Has he "filled out" at all or is he another wee small easy pushed off the ball corner forward? ;)
Any speculation of any more retirees?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 13, 2012, 03:02:07 PM
I for one am delighted to see Mickey chop and change as much as he can.
The fact that he's not starting Lafferty speaks volumes of how Mickey rates him already I'd say.
Of course one swallow never made a summer but its good to see a freshness and hunger in the squad again.
Has McKenna played FF before, even for his club? How will he fair there dee yee think?
I hope to God Cassidy can stay injury free for a while now and not be another Collie Holmes style player.
For us non Tyrone based fans, can anyone give us some info on players like Peter Hughes, McNeice, Gervin, McNulty and McNamee?
How old are they and did they play county minor and what hope have they of making the squad.
Will be interesting to see how young O'Neill does this week. Will he get a full game?
I've not saw him since minor. Has he "filled out" at all or is he another wee small easy pushed off the ball corner forward? ;)
Any speculation of any more retirees?
No more retirees - Mc Kenna plays FF for his club on and off.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 13, 2012, 03:02:07 PM
For us non Tyrone based fans, can anyone give us some info on players like Peter Hughes, McNeice, Gervin, McNulty and McNamee?
Mc Namee Suffers Ankle InjuryThe new season is less than two weeks old but already Tyrone have been dealt a blow with the news that Ronan Mc Namee has broken his ankle. Aghyaran clubman Mc Namee had been picked by Mickey Harte to make his senior inter county debut against Antrim in the Mc Kenna Cup at Casement Park this Sunday but on the same night that the team was announced he suffered the injury early in a challenge match when playing for the Tyrone Under Twenty One trial side against Ulster junior champions Derrytresk.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/?p=12063
The Armagh team for Sunday. Taken from armaghgaa.net.
1 NIALL GEOGHAN
2 BRENDAN DONAGHY
3 CHARLIE VERNON
4 DECLAN Mc KENNA
5 PAUL DUFFY
6. ANDY MALLON
7. FINIAN MORIARTY
8. CIARAN McKEEVER
9. JOHN KINGHAM
10. AIDAN FORKER
11. COLM WATTERS
12. ANTO DUFFY
13. RYAN RAFFERTY
14. STEFAN CAMPBELL
15. EUGENE McVERRY
That looks like a much stronger team than last Sunday.
Vernon is no full back. Ciaran McKeever midfield? What the f...?!
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
Vernon is no full back. Ciaran McKeever midfield? What the f...?!
Where would you play him then?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 13, 2012, 11:18:47 PM
The Armagh team for Sunday. Taken from armaghgaa.net.
1 NIALL GEOGHAN
2 BRENDAN DONAGHY
3 CHARLIE VERNON
4 DECLAN Mc KENNA
5 PAUL DUFFY
6. ANDY MALLON
7. FINIAN MORIARTY
8. CIARAN McKEEVER
9. JOHN KINGHAM
10. AIDAN FORKER
11. COLM WATTERS
12. ANTO DUFFY
13. RYAN RAFFERTY
14. STEFAN CAMPBELL
15. EUGENE McVERRY
Mallon to corner back, Donaghy to full back, McKeever to centre back and Charlie to midfield?
Cavan team for tomorrow:
Fintan Reilly
Barry Waters, Sean McCormack, Damien Barkey,
Dane O'Dowd, Padraic O'Reilly, John McCutcheon,
Gearoid McKiernan, David Givney,
Niall Smith, Declan McKiernan, Stephen Jordan,
Niall McDermott, Eugene Keating, Raymond Galligan,
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on January 14, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 13, 2012, 11:18:47 PM
The Armagh team for Sunday. Taken from armaghgaa.net.
1 NIALL GEOGHAN
2 BRENDAN DONAGHY
3 CHARLIE VERNON
4 DECLAN Mc KENNA
5 PAUL DUFFY
6. ANDY MALLON
7. FINIAN MORIARTY
8. CIARAN McKEEVER
9. JOHN KINGHAM
10. AIDAN FORKER
11. COLM WATTERS
12. ANTO DUFFY
13. RYAN RAFFERTY
14. STEFAN CAMPBELL
15. EUGENE McVERRY
Mallon to corner back, Donaghy to full back, McKeever to centre back and Charlie to midfield?
Numbers don't mean much nowadays lads I think we all know that by now.
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Derry 1-16 0-14 UUJ
Friday, 13 January 2012
Paddy Bradley scored a goal on his Derry comeback in a McKenna Cup Section C game marred by a suspected broken fibula suffered by UUJ's CJ McGourty.
The Antrim county forward was stretchered off at Celtic Park and taken to hospital in the first half.
It is understood that McGourty has sustained a broken fibula and is set to miss part of the National League.
Derry led 0-8 to 0-5 at the break and Bradley, returning from a cruciate ligament injury, netted on 52 minutes.
The holders eased to victory to go four points clear at the top of Section C.
Cailean O'Boyle was the top-scorer with five points while Derry team-mate Enda Lynn chipped in with four and Kieran Hughes fired over four UUJ frees.
Bradley suffered the injury last Spring and missed the entire Championship campaign.
Derry hit three late points to edge out Cavan in last week's opener.
This weekend's other Section C game sees Cavan facing Donegal at Breffni Park on Sunday when the Section A and B games will also take place.
Mickey Harte has named four debutants - Conor Clarke, Ronan McNamee, Stephen McNulty and Peter Hughes - for the Section A game against Antrim at Casement Park.
Ronan O'Neill has been named in the Tyrone team although there are reports that he suffered an ankle injury in training on Thursday evening.
Liam Bradley's changes include Chris Kerr taking over from Willie McSorley in goals and the inclusion of Sean Finch and Deaglan O'Hagan in the half-backs.
Simon McDonagh starts at midfield while Kevin Brady, Brian Neeson and Mark Dougan are all drafted into the attack.
Fermanagh boss Peter Canavan has yet to name his team for Sunday's clash against Queen's at Enniskillen.
Seamus Quigley hit 1-8 in Fermanagh's opening 2-11 to 1-6 win over Antrim last weekend.
Monaghan boss Eamonn McEneaney handed out six debutants in last weekend's 0-14 to 0-6 win over St Mary's and the likes of James Turley, Dermot Malone and Matthew McKenna may earn another start against Down at Clones.
The honeymooning Dick Clerkin remains out as does injured Conor McManus.
Several regulars are also unavailable because they will be lining out for their collegues/universities.
Neither Armagh nor St Mary's have named their squads for Sunday's other Section B game at the Athletics Grounds.
McKenna Cup fixtures/result
Saturday 14 January
Section C
Derry 1-16 0-14 UUJ (Celtic Park)
Sunday (1400)
Section A
Antrim v Tyrone (Casement Park)
Fermanagh v Queen's (Brewster Park)
Section B
Monaghan v Down (Clones)
Armagh v St Mary's College (Athletic Grounds)
Section C
Cavan v Donegal (Breffni Park)
Antrim: C Kerr; J Crozier, R Johnston, M Johnston; S Finch, D O'Hagan, J Loughrey; C Kelly, S McDonagh; C Murray, K Brady, M Armstrong; B Neeson, M Dougan, P Cunningham.
Tyrone: J Devine, A McCrory, C Clarke, D Carlin, R McNamee, J McMahon, S McNulty, A Cassidy, C Cavanagh, P Harte, P Hughes, R McNabb, C Gervin, N McKenna, R O'Neill. Subs: M Donnelly, J Lafferty, D McCaul, T McGuigan, S McNally, P McNiece, M Murphy, Sean O'Neill, M Penrose, PJ Quinn
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on January 14, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 13, 2012, 11:18:47 PM
The Armagh team for Sunday. Taken from armaghgaa.net.
1 NIALL GEOGHAN
2 BRENDAN DONAGHY
3 CHARLIE VERNON
4 DECLAN Mc KENNA
5 PAUL DUFFY
6. ANDY MALLON
7. FINIAN MORIARTY
8. CIARAN McKEEVER
9. JOHN KINGHAM
10. AIDAN FORKER
11. COLM WATTERS
12. ANTO DUFFY
13. RYAN RAFFERTY
14. STEFAN CAMPBELL
15. EUGENE McVERRY
Mallon to corner back, Donaghy to full back, McKeever to centre back and Charlie to midfield?
Possibly if things are going shite, but they'll start as listed. O'Rourke seems to want a look at Vernon at FB and Mallon in the HB line.
Quote from: regal on January 14, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
Vernon is no full back. Ciaran McKeever midfield? What the f...?!
Where would you play him then?
If you're referring to Vernon, midfield or half forward. Definitely not full back! McKeever, centre half back.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2012, 09:44:02 PM
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That's the second week that Monaghan's game has been listed as 'Clones, Monaghan' rather than the name of the ground and then the town.
HT Armagh 1-11 St Mary's 0-3
Antrim0-5
Tyrone 0-3
Stephan ONeill on.
Fermanagh 0-9
Queens 0-5
Down 3-6
Monaghan 0-3
Make that Down 4-9 Monaghan 0-3 !
Tyrone 0-7
Antrim 0-5
Tyrone 0-9
Antrim 0-5
cavan 1-10
donegal 1-07
Tyrone 0-9
Antrim0-7
Tyrone 0-9
Antrim 0-8
Tyrone 0-10
Antrim 0-8
Tyrone 10
Antrim 9.
Stephan O Neill goal
Tyrone 1-10
Antrim 0-9
Armagh back on form good to see.
Tyrone 1-12
Antrim 0-9
Monaghan 0-11 Down 4-12 FT
Tyrone 1-12
Antrim 0-10
FT
Tyrone 1-12
Antrim 0-10
Tyrone against Fermangh should be a decent game Wednesday night.
Good man Derry. What was the official attendance at Tyrone Antrim ?
See Stevie O'Neill's late goal sink Antrim at Casement today - http://tinyurl.com/7upr6en (http://tinyurl.com/7upr6en)
How did big Quigley go today?
Holy F. Big Quig could be another Frank McGuigan in the makin?
Who's going to mark big Quigley on Wednesday night?
Quote from: ONeill on January 15, 2012, 06:26:02 PM
Who's going to mark big Quigley on Wednesday night?
Justin?
Neither manager is going to want to lose this one! I expect a strong Tyrone team.
Quote from: regal on January 14, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2012, 04:07:41 PM
Vernon is no full back. Ciaran McKeever midfield? What the f...?!
Where would you play him then?
If you're referring to Vernon, midfield or half forward. Definitely not full back! McKeever, centre half back.
How did Charlie play today, did he play at full back? I think it is worth a try playing him there because he hasn't proved himself at either midfield or half forward over the last 4 years. He has apparently played a few excellant matches at full back in challenge games under Big Joe.
down easily overcame a disappointing monaghan team in clones. down dominated all areas of the field and won pulling up. down goals were scored by kallum king(2), dan gordan and benny coulter.
QuoteSee Stevie O'Neill's late goal sink Antrim at Casement today - http://tinyurl.com/7upr6en
Should have been a straight red for Antrim's no 2 in the build up!
Quote from: Rois on January 15, 2012, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 15, 2012, 06:26:02 PM
Who's going to mark big Quigley on Wednesday night?
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Quigley will score 0-2 (frees), get sent off and Ferm will lose by 9
Anyone at the Queens game? Or has the scorers?
Quote from: regal on January 15, 2012, 06:28:50 PM
How did Charlie play today, did he play at full back? I think it is worth a try playing him there because he hasn't proved himself at either midfield or half forward over the last 4 years. He has apparently played a few excellant matches at full back in challenge games under Big Joe.
Played at FB for the most part. Had a comfortable game, but was up against a very weak St. Mary's forwardline. Will probably get another go at it on Wednesday night.
I read the Teamtalkmag.com match report as it happened version and watched a few of the scores there from good "old" Jerome but was any of ye at the match today?
How did the full back line play?
Have we learnt anything yet from the new young lads that have came in?
How did McKenna do at FF or was it inevitable that we were struggling until SoN came in to settle things down.
How did the MF do? What happened Cass? Is he out again injured for a while.
I brought the young lad to his first GAA outing at U5 yesterday wearing his Tyrone shirt. He wasn't the only Tyrone lad there. If he turns out any good I'll move back up home don't worry. He won't be another crying whinging Kieran "Star" Donaghy.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 15, 2012, 05:19:49 PM
Holy F. Big Quig could be another Frank McGuigan in the makin?
Emmmm...no
Decent crowd at Casement on a fresh, dry afternoon. Tyrone were shocking in the first 35 minutes. There must have been close to 10 wides with some very wayward shooting coupled with 2 or 3 into the keepers hands. Tyrone had Girvan playing at corner forward but he was deployed around the middle to sweep until replaced by Penrose with about 15 to go. He played in a similar role. Consequently Tyrone gifted the saffrons posession from every kickout for the 70 minutes which was a nonsense in my opinion. On the other hand Devine went long for the entire 70 and we just about broke even. Antrim could've been out of site we were that bad. Cassidy had to be replaced after about 20 minutes or so. Stevie O'Neill was introduced before half time and he produced a succulent 40 minutes of ball. One point off his right boot was pure class. Himself and Peter Harte are looking in top form at this early stage of the year. 6 points unanswered at the start of the 2nd half was much more like it but the saffrons battled back to 9-8 before Thomas McCann had 2 chances to score a goal in the same attack. Devine saved well though. Stevie's goal put the game to bed. Ronan O Neill showed some nice touches and always makes himself available, but kicked 2 frees into the keepers hands which wasn't great. I thought Peter Hughes at 11 battled gamely and Clark at full back had an ok debut.
where is the tyrone fermanagh match,might pop up if i have the time.would like to see if quigleys all hes made out to be.
Looking at the tables I think I am right in saying that the odds would very much be that the loser of Fermanagh and Tyrone will be the best placed runner up and qualify for the semi-final. Due to scoring difference Down are almost certainly through as it would take them to lose by around 10-15 points to St Mary's not to qualify. So that leaves Armagh as probable second placed team and in the other section Cavan are most likely to finish second. Neither Cavan nor Armagh have close to Fermanagh or Tyrone's point difference/scoring average.
So I reckon that unless there is a big margin in one game that Fermanagh and Tyrone would be favourites to progress as fist and second in Group A, which to my thinking means they will play this week and then play again next week in the semi-final.
Does that sound correct?
Not buying into the fuss about Quigley. Will see how good he is when the ground hardens up and he has to run towards the sideline to try win a ball.
Peter clearly has instilled confidence back into the group. They got a lucky draw to be fair and avoided any good teams so far but certainly an encouraging start under Canavan.
Quote from: Dougal on January 16, 2012, 02:50:43 PM
where is the tyrone fermanagh match,might pop up if i have the time.would like to see if quigleys all hes made out to be.
Omagh
Quote from: TheThirdManning on January 16, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Not buying into the fuss about Quigley. Will see how good he is when the ground hardens up and he has to run towards the sideline to try win a ball.
Peter clearly has instilled confidence back into the group. They got a lucky draw to be fair and avoided any good teams so far but certainly an encouraging start under Canavan.
Quigley is just the scoring outlet on a team pushing hard to impress their new manager. At this time of year he will get plenty of chances to score.
A bit of confidence and an influx of experienced players makes for a good start for Canavan.
Quote from: TheThirdManning on January 16, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Not buying into the fuss about Quigley. Will see how good he is when the ground hardens up and he has to run towards the sideline to try win a ball.
Peter clearly has instilled confidence back into the group. They got a lucky draw to be fair and avoided any good teams so far but certainly an encouraging start under Canavan.
I agree but on top of that 6 of his 8 points were frees the other day, the same as the week before.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on January 16, 2012, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Dougal on January 16, 2012, 02:50:43 PM
where is the tyrone fermanagh match,might pop up if i have the time.would like to see if quigleys all hes made out to be.
Omagh
what time is throw in? Quigley (if fully fit, which could take three-four months) has potential to be one of best fowards in Ulster for the next 5 years. Strength, power, vision, accuracy, clinical, he has shown already he has all of them in abundance
http://vimeo.com/35104632 (http://vimeo.com/35104632)
Classic Stevie score. How many times has he scored a point like that over the years? If he can stay fit for Tyrone this year will be a big plus for Tyrone.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 17, 2012, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: TheThirdManning on January 16, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Not buying into the fuss about Quigley. Will see how good he is when the ground hardens up and he has to run towards the sideline to try win a ball.
Peter clearly has instilled confidence back into the group. They got a lucky draw to be fair and avoided any good teams so far but certainly an encouraging start under Canavan.
I agree but on top of that 6 of his 8 points were frees the other day, the same as the week before.
Free Kicks still need scored (I wasn't at that game so cant comment on the location of the frees but I would hazard a guess they weren't all 13 metres out straight in front of the posts) - having a reliable free kicker that can kick 6 points from frees on any given day is a right asset to any team.
Free taking from distance is really a thing from the past. The St Marys keeper took at least 5 or 6 free kicks against Armagh on Sunday. Some of them were no more than about 30 yards out. What the hell are forwards doing in training when they can't kick a point from 30 or 40 yards?!
It's time this was done away with. It eats up too much time. I'd say 5+ minutes was wasted with the keeper coming up to take frees. If a forward took that much time, the ball would have been thrown up.
Quote from: hardstation on January 17, 2012, 11:51:27 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 17, 2012, 11:35:45 AM
http://vimeo.com/35104632 (http://vimeo.com/35104632)
Classic Stevie score. How many times has he scored a point like that over the years? If he can stay fit for Tyrone this year will be a big plus for Tyrone.
Doot Kelly scored a similar one in the first couple of minutes.
He's no Stevie though. Was probably a fluke.
Yeah great to see Stevie back playing well, even at this time of year.
What age is this Quigley lad? He doesn't look that young.
Was he in the team the last few years or was he converted back to God's House?
Big Quigley is on a one man mission to bring the Mc Kenna cup to Fermanagh. Big Justy might just have his work cut out for him tomorrow night.
Quote from: rrhf on January 17, 2012, 02:08:14 PM
Big Quigley is on a one man mission to bring the Mc Kenna cup to Fermanagh. Big Justy might just have his work cut out for him tomorrow night.
I reckon the Fermanagh lads have backed themselves to win the McKenna Cup to help pay the bills the Co. Board couldnt afford to pay last year ;D
6 changes for the Fear Manach game:
1 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
2 Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
4 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
5 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
6 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
8 Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
9 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
11 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
12 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
13 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
14 Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
17 Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
18 Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
19 Ciaran Gervin – Doire Locháin
20 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
21 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
22 Stephen McNally – Oileán a'Ghuail
23 Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
24 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
25 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
How is the best second placed team worked out?
scoring average if equal on points
Quote from: BennyCake on January 17, 2012, 08:23:48 PM
How is the best second placed team worked out?
Current Standings
P W D L PTS F A AVERAGE
Fermanagh 2 2 0 0 4 37 19
1.947368421Tyrone 2 2 0 0 4 31 18
1.722222222Antrim 2 0 0 2 0 19 32
0.59375QUB 2 0 0 2 0 18 36
0.5Divide your against into your for
Down 2 2 0 0 4 42 21
2Armagh 2 1 0 1 2 31 28
1.107142857Monaghan 2 1 0 1 2 25 30
0.833333333St Mary's 2 0 0 2 0 16 35
0.457142857Derry 2 2 0 0 4 32 26
1.230769231Cavan 2 1 0 1 2 29 27
1.074074074UUJ 2 1 0 1 2 25 28
0.892857143Donegal 2 0 0 2 0 23 28
0.821428571
Jesus, could they not just have went by points difference?! Everyone is familiar with that.
Best runner up plays winner of Fermanagh/Tyrone group so barring a cricket score in one of the other groups, Fermanagh and Tyrone will be playing again at the weekend with Down playing winners of Group C.
Any Mathmaticians out there?
What is needed for Armagh to go through? 8 point swing?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 18, 2012, 08:46:39 AM
Any Mathmaticians out there?
What is needed for Armagh to go through? 8 point swing?
A new manager and about 6 top class players ;)
I think Armagh, like ourselves, would like to go through to get another competitive game in before the league but I dont think it would be a huge disappointment if neither went through.
The Armagh team to play Monaghan has been announced:
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Football/ARMAGH-Team-to-play-Monaghan.aspx
Down team -v- St Marys
Brendan McVeigh
Niall Branigan
Damian Turley
Kevin Anderson
Niall McParland
Mark Doran
David McKibben
Ambrose Rogers
Conor Gough
Kalum King
Mark Poland
John McAreavey
Ciarán Brannigan
Arthur McConville
Eoin McCartan
Quote from: BennyCake on January 17, 2012, 12:12:55 PM
Free taking from distance is really a thing from the past. The St Marys keeper took at least 5 or 6 free kicks against Armagh on Sunday. Some of them were no more than about 30 yards out. What the hell are forwards doing in training when they can't kick a point from 30 or 40 yards?!
It's time this was done away with. It eats up too much time. I'd say 5+ minutes was wasted with the keeper coming up to take frees. If a forward took that much time, the ball would have been thrown up.
He missed most of them too
The Original Peter the Great has had his say on Quigley.
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McGinnity: Seamie can be the best
18 January 2012
Fermanagh's in-form full forward Seamus Quigley has been compared to Kerry legend Maurice Fitzgerald.
Peter McGinnity, who was the Erne County's first All Star recipient in 1982 and managed Quigley's club Roslea to back-to-back Fermanagh SFC titles in 2010 and 2011, believes the man who has racked up 1-8 in each of his last two games against Antrim and Queen's is the best striker of a ball he has seen since Fitzgerald.
"He must be the most talented kicker of a ball I've seen since Maurice Fitzgerald," McGinnity said in the Irish Daily Star.
"We see him doing things weekly with Roslea in matches that you just wouldn't believe. There is always the other thing, Seamie has a tendency to put on weight. If he ever reaches a really good fighting weight, he'd be unstoppable. I'd probably go as far as to say he'd be the best footballer in the country.
"He can kick equally as well with either foot. He can win ball, he can bring players into it. He loves to score.
"Having said that, he can become frustrated whenever possession is not coming into him. He is a phenomenal striker of the ball. There are very few people in the country who can kick accurately with the outside of the foot."
What age is Quigley?
Quote from: ArmaghGAAforum on January 18, 2012, 09:02:33 AM
The Armagh team to play Monaghan has been announced:
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Football/ARMAGH-Team-to-play-Monaghan.aspx
ARMAGH Team to play Monaghan
1 Sean Hughes
2 Brendan Donaghy
3 Charlie Vernon
4 Declan McKenna
5 Paul Duffy
6 Ciaran McKeever
7 Finnian Moriarty
8 Malachy Mackin
9 John Kingham
10 David Lavery
11 Brian Mallon
12 Anto Duffy
13 Ryan Rafferty
14 Micheal O'Rourke
15 Eugene McVerry
16 Philip McEvoy
17 Adrian Conlon
18 Andy Mallon
19 Mark Shields
20 Peter Carragher
21 James Lavery
22 Colm Watters
23 Paul Carvill
24 Pauric Gribben
25 Gareth Swift
26 Paul McKenna
Tyrone v Fermanagh delayed - big crowd.
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2012, 07:42:20 PM
Tyrone v Fermanagh delayed - big crowd.
Came to see Peter?
Tyrone 0-00 0-00 Fermanagh, Healy Park, 7.40pm
Antrim 0-02 0-01 Queens, Casement Park, 7.30pm
Armagh 0-02 0-02 Monaghan, Morgan Athletic Grounds, 7.30pm
Down 0-01 0-00 St Mary's, Pairc Esler, 7.30pm
UUJ 0-01 0-01 Cavan, Kingspan Breffni Park, 7.30pm
Donegal 0-03 1-01 Derry, Pairc Mac Cumhaill, 7.30pm
Dr McKenna Cup preview & live score updates
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/gaa/75566/
Monaghan/Armagh 0-03 each
is the tyrone match on the radio anywhere
Big Quigley not starting. St Peter couldn't inflict him on the Red Hands.
Tyrone 0-10 (O'Neill 4, Cavanagh 2, Murphy, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan)
Fermanagh 0-1 (Kille)
Half Time.
HT in Armagh
Monaghan 0-06
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Armagh 0-06
McVerry
McVerry
Duffy
McVerry
Lavery
McVerry
Half time in Newry Down 1-4 St. Mary's 0-3. Just started listening, Kalum King got the goal for Down. Down has a total of 11 wides in the first half.
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 18, 2012, 08:11:37 PM
HT in Armagh
Monaghan 0-06
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Armagh 0-06
McVerry
McVerry
Duffy
McVerry
Lavery
McVerry
How many points from play so far?
Tyrone 0-10 (O'Neill 4, Cavanagh 2, Murphy, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan)
Fermanagh 0-1 (Kille)
RED ALERT QUIGLEY ON FOR SECOND HALF
Tyrone 0-11 (O'Neill 5, Cavanagh 2, Murphy, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan)
Fermanagh 0-4 (Kille, S Quigley 2, C Quigley)
Monaghan 0-09
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Gollogly
Duffy
Finlay
Armagh 0-07
McVerry
McVerry
Duffy
McVerry
Lavery
McVerry
Moriarty
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 18, 2012, 08:20:22 PM
How many points from play so far?
Not sure - following Twitter feeds, not at the game.
53 mins
Monaghan 0-09
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Gollogly
Duffy
Finlay
Armagh 0-09
McVerry
McVerry
Duffy
McVerry
Lavery
McVerry
Moriarty
McVerry
Duffy
Red Card for Lavery (2 yellows)
Tyrone 0-10 (O'Neill 4, Cavanagh 2, Murphy, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan)
Fermanagh 0-1 (Kille)
RED ALERT QUIGLEY ON FOR SECOND HALF
Tyrone 0-13 (O'Neill 5, Cavanagh 2, Murphy 2, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan, Harte)
Fermanagh 1-7 (Kille, Seamus Quigley 5, C Quigley, Sean Quigley 1-0)
Full Time.
Monaghan 0-11
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Gollogly
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Finlay
Armagh 0-11
McVerry
McVerry
Duffy
McVerry
Lavery
McVerry
Moriarty
McVerry
Duffy
Carville
Carville
Red Card for Lavery (2 yellows)
Monaghan with 9 wides in the second half!
Monaghan 0-12
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Gollogly
Duffy
Finlay
Finlay
Finlay
Finlay
Armagh 0-13
McVerry
McVerry
Duffy
McVerry
Lavery
McVerry
Moriarty
McVerry
Duffy
Carville
Carville
Watters
Carville
Red Card for Lavery (2 yellows)
Monaghan with 9 wides in the second half! Armagh win with a free - the last kick of the game.
At least it was respectable, after Sunday's result.
Which Armagh back was marking Finlay?
Down 1-05 - St Mary's 0-08!
Did Down burn themselves out on Sunday?
Quote from: Orior on January 18, 2012, 09:12:22 PM
Which Armagh back was marking Finlay?
Dunno, but there seemed to be a good few frees. Not sure who contributed to Monaghan's wides either.
No, they just didn't have their shooting boots on them tonight. I think they had a total of 17 or 18 wides.
Mrs. redandblack4ever
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 18, 2012, 09:12:51 PM
Down 1-05 - St Mary's 0-08!
Did Down burn themselves out on Sunday?
thats a poor result regardless of the starting 15.
Tyrone 0-13 Fermanagh 1-07
Fermanagh win 2nd half 1-06 to 0-03... Shame they got going too late prob in line with Tyrone taking foot off gas.
What is the semi's line up?
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:20:46 PM
Fermanagh win 2nd half 1-06 to 0-03... Shame they got going too late prob in line with Tyrone taking foot off gas.
What is the semi's line up?
I think it's
Tyrone v Fermanagh
Derry v Down
will it be neutral venues?
Should be a double header @ Casement, that would draw a great crowd.
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2012, 08:46:59 PM
Tyrone 0-10 (O'Neill 4, Cavanagh 2, Murphy, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan)
Fermanagh 0-1 (Kille)
RED ALERT QUIGLEY ON FOR SECOND HALF
Tyrone 0-13 (O'Neill 5, Cavanagh 2, Murphy 2, Donnelly, Hughes, McGuigan, Harte)
Fermanagh 1-7 (Kille, Seamus Quigley 5, C Quigley, Sean Quigley 1-0)
Full Time.
What's with all the Quigleys?
QuoteDerry v Down
Did Down draw with the Ranch? How can they be through?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 18, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
QuoteDerry v Down
Did Down draw with the Ranch? How can they be through?
Cause they came top of the group?
Quote from: Orior on January 18, 2012, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 18, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
QuoteDerry v Down
Did Down draw with the Ranch? How can they be through?
Cause they came top of the group?
Fair play to you orior, was beginning to doubt my sanity there ;)
Down 5
Armagh 4
Monaghan 2
St Mary's 1
if i'm not mistaken?
3 Quigley brothers from Roslea Shamrocks who have won back to back championships in Fermanagh and the double last season. Conor oldest (about 26 I think) then Seamy is about 23/24 and Sean is 19/20. All good footballers on their day, Conor being a back is most under rated out of the 3, Seamy is an enigma, quality footballer who comes with a hot temper.
Armagh v Monaghan was a decent enough game and fairly competitive, Monaghan did miss a shitload in the 2nd half, but 14 man Armagh (and especially Paul Carville 3 frees in last 10mins) showed no small amount of balls to take the win.
Anto Duffy really layed down a marker for the season, superb game, McVerry had a blinding first half and good over all game, no other real standouts, McKeever had a very solid game, Vernon looked ropey in FB, but contributed greatly when shifted out to the HB line and gave us a presence around the MF when we needed it.
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
Should be a double header @ Casement, that would draw a great crowd.
Double header in Armagh
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
3 Quigley brothers from Roslea Shamrocks who have won back to back championships in Fermanagh and the double last season. Conor oldest (about 26 I think) then Seamy is about 23/24 and Sean is 19/20. All good footballers on their day, Conor being a back is most under rated out of the 3, Seamy is an enigma, quality footballer who comes with a hot temper.
Would 3 Quigleys be a Trigley?
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 18, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: everymanaman on January 18, 2012, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
Should be a double header @ Casement, that would draw a great crowd.
Double header in Armagh
Is that definite?
Yes-much more atmospheric ground than the one in West Belfast ;D
Monaghan played ok tonight. Too many wides cost them in the end and without McManus for the next while means an over reliance on Finlay. Mind u he did kick 3 or 4 cracking points from play. Owen duffy did manage to knock over a few nice points too. But some of the misses were awful. The game had a really good finish with Armagh looking to have won it only for Finlay to fire over the leveller. The last free was moved back by the ref only for the linesman correctly moving it forward again, not that it mattered because it was superbly fired over the bar by the armagh sub off the ground. Monaghans other best players were Morgan, Turley and Corey.
Quote from: everymanaman on January 18, 2012, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 18, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: everymanaman on January 18, 2012, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
Should be a double header @ Casement, that would draw a great crowd.
Double header in Armagh
Is that definite?
Yes-much more atmospheric ground than the one in West Belfast ;D
Mightn't hold the big crowd. What's the capacity? ???
Could be a cracking day out if that is right. Shame for all the Armagh heads though suffering without the might of Cross amongst the ranks
Marty Penrose, for all his qualities, really needs to learn how to score. His shooting is awful.
How did Lafferty perform? Is there life after Philly Jordan in the wing backs?
Super Sunday! Both Power NI Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals will take place on Sunday 22nd January at the Morgan Athletic Grounds, Armagh. The Derry v Down game will take place at 2.00pm and will be followed by Tyrone v Fermanagh At 3.45pm.
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
3 Quigley brothers from Roslea Shamrocks who have won back to back championships in Fermanagh and the double last season. Conor oldest (about 26 I think) then Seamy is about 23/24 and Sean is 19/20. All good footballers on their day, Conor being a back is most under rated out of the 3, Seamy is an enigma, quality footballer who comes with a hot temper.
Seamy Quigley undoubtedly is the best forward in Fermanagh in terms of talent (what has he scored in the McKenn cup 2-21 in 3 games?) but can Canavan get him to knuckle down and stay committed all year?
Great chance to wreck Armagh once and for all etc. Brian Boru my hole.
Rough enough game in Armagh tonight. Monaghan need to work on shooting. Armagh need to work on passing. Martin Higgins needs to work on not being an officious wee bollix.
Positives for Armagh:
Anto Duffy. Has a serious engine, if he goes well in the league he could solve one of those HF line problems.
Eugene Mc Verry. Had been a bit disappointed by him in previous games but he had an excellent first half before fading a bit.
Paul Carville. Super free taking cameo. Don't know if he'll cut it from open play, pity he didn't get more McKenna Cup time.
Peter Carragher. Didn't do a lot tonight, but he's been one of the most impressive underage players we've produced in recent years and it's good to see him in a senior jersey.
A clean sheet.
A win! Might not get many more of them over the next few months.
Negatives for Armagh:
A lot of dreadful passing.
A lot of dreadful fumbling.
A lot of slack marking in the second half, which would've been costly had Monaghan anyone able to shoot other than Finlay.
Some very quiet displays from boys that looked superb against St. Mary's.
The Vernon experiment not really working, he's much more effective out the field.
No Kingham. Would've been interesting to see if he was capable of backing up Sunday's performance.
Any standout players (for the right or wrong reasons!) for Monaghan, AFS?
Tyrone ran riot in first half, turning over Fermanagh and getting acres of space around midfield and half forward. SON was in great form and Lafferty looked very sharp. Mattie Donnelly had a lot of possession but maybe just needs a bit more confidence. Hughes also did well.
Fermanagh came at Tyrone with Seamus Quigley in the second and deployed a tighter blanket defence which frustrated Tyrone, forcing them to shoot from difficult angles, but they still missed a bagful. Aidan McCrory and Peter Harte's runs were among the highlights of the night, pity their efforts weren't converted.
Felt ref awarded a lot of soft and easily converted frees to Fermanagh, bumping up Seamy Quigley's score tally. He did take a nice point from play, but wouldn't get carried away with his impact. Mickey Murphy missed an absolute sitter on bascially an open goal, but to be fair Fermanagh had at least 3 good goal chances before they bagged one.
Quigley (the wider) is clearly not fit for 70 mins against Tyrone, least Canavan doesn't think so. Pace was fairly fierce for McKenna football. Why else wouldn't he start? Will be interesting (if he starts) on Sunday, how long he lasts. Nicely teed up.
McCrory, Harte, Cavanagh and SON very strong for Tyrone, with Hughes and Lafferty looking good. Hope they get a stab at the league.
Monaghan have a nice mix of 'planter and gael' in their panel. It would be nice if Armagh could do the same in the near future.
Quote from: Feckitt on January 18, 2012, 11:53:51 PM
Monaghan have a nice mix of 'planter and gael' in their panel. It would be nice if Armagh could do the same in the near future.
Eh?
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 18, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
Any standout players (for the right or wrong reasons!) for Monaghan, AFS?
None of your forwards can shoot, except for Finlay, who is deadly. Hanratty loves running around in wee circles and never actually doing anything. Your goalie wouldn't kick the ball out to your midfielders, so don't really know what they're like. Some of your backs looked alright, wasn't really keeping track of their names, hard enough when you're still figuring out who some of you're own men are. Darren Hughes is very rusty.
Is January the right time of the year for double headers? Fans that want to watch both games will be freezing their arses off.
Colm Cavanagh produced the usual curates egg performance. Great in first half. Anonymous in second.
Peter Harte is maturing into a top class player. Not sure about having him at CHB but when in possession he is very comfortable and does not get turned over much.
Mattie did enough to get an NFL spot and will improve.
Coney was his usual self. Couple of minutes on pitch and he's trying an outrageous pass. Which went nowhere near a Tyrone man.
Lafferty tried hard and won a fair amount of ball.
A big problem will be our lack of scoring forwards. Take SoN out of the equation and you wouldn't bet 10p on any of the rest consistently puttIng them over.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 18, 2012, 11:46:08 PM
Tyrone ran riot in first half, turning over Fermanagh and getting acres of space around midfield and half forward. SON was in great form and Lafferty looked very sharp. Mattie Donnelly had a lot of possession but maybe just needs a bit more confidence. Hughes also did well.
Fermanagh came at Tyrone with Seamus Quigley in the second and deployed a tighter blanket defence which frustrated Tyrone, forcing them to shoot from difficult angles, but they still missed a bagful. Aidan McCrory and Peter Harte's runs were among the highlights of the night, pity their efforts weren't converted.
Felt ref awarded a lot of soft and easily converted frees to Fermanagh, bumping up Seamy Quigley's score tally. He did take a nice point from play,but wouldn't get carried away with his impact. Mickey Murphy missed an absolute sitter on bascially an open goal, but to be fair Fermanagh had at least 3 good goal chances before they bagged one.
Quigley (the wider) is clearly not fit for 70 mins against Tyrone, least Canavan doesn't think so. Pace was fairly fierce for McKenna football. Why else wouldn't he start? Will be interesting (if he starts) on Sunday, how long he lasts. Nicely teed up.
McCrory, Harte, Cavanagh and SON very strong for Tyrone, with Hughes and Lafferty looking good. Hope they get a stab at the league.
Dont know what game you were at?? he turned the game on its head.Fermanagh offered nothing in attack until he entered the fray. the whole side evolves around him from what i seen..Tyrone were beat 1-06 to 0-3 during the period when he came on so a treble scores defeat in the second half im no mathimatician but id say if you dont get carried away with that impact it must take a fair bit to get you excited....
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on January 19, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
Dont know what game you were at?? he turned the game on its head.Fermanagh offered nothing in attack until he entered the fray. the whole side evolves around him from what i seen..Tyrone were beat 1-06 to 0-3 during the period when he came on so a treble scores defeat in the second half im no mathimatician but id say if you dont get carried away with that impact it must take a fair bit to get you excited....
Exactly what I was thinking, he changed the game completely. He gives us an aggressive focal point which inspires the whole team. What is worrying is how bad we were up front in the 1st half when he wasn't there.
Best for Fermanagh was probably Bogue, Woods, Conor Q, Sherry, Keenan and obviously Seamus. Keenan especially seems to have got alot stronger during his year out.
I was disappointed with Owens, he was never blessed with pace, but he seems to have got even slower, hopefully this improves as he get fitter. Eamon also still seems to be of the pace, but like Owens I suppose fitness is probably still an issue there.
When we throw in some stronger players such as Kelly, McElroy and McGrath and then also the speed of Little, we certainly have a team good enough to give most teams a run for there money!
Quote from: BennyCake on January 19, 2012, 12:52:30 AM
Is January the right time of the year for double headers? Fans that want to watch both games will be freezing their arses off.
Fans who want to watch both matches need their head examined ;D
Irish Times report on Tyrone Fermanagh:
Tyrone hold on to deny Canavan's charges
Tyrone's Matthew Donnelly barges past Fermanagh's Shane Lyons at Healy Park, Omagh, last night.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/tile/2012/0119/1224310447165_1.jpg?ts=1326963756)
Photograph: Inpho
Tyrone made it three wins on the trot and march on to the Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals.
In front of a crowd of almost 7,000, Fermanagh staged a superb second-half comeback and came close to stealing what would have been a remarkable win.
They trailed by nine points at the break, but the introduction of Tommy McGuigan sparked the revival. He fired over five points and his brother Seán grabbed a goal, but Tyrone held on.
Fermanagh could have had a goal early on when James Sherry sent Seán Quigley through, but his shot was kept out by John Devine's foot.
Tyrone, after a shaky opening, finally got off the mark in the eighth minute, but once Stephen O'Neill nailed their opening score they were able to hit the target almost at will.
Colm Cavanagh won an abundance of possession around the middle of the field, and chipped in with a couple of long-range scores, while O'Neill displayed his genius with two more gems from play.
Indeed, Tyrone's first seven scores came from open play, with Mickey Murphy and Peter Hughes also on target.
Daniel Kille hit Fermanagh's sole first-half score, from a free, as their attack was unable to make any headway against a tight-marking defence in which Peter Harte, PJ Quinn and Dermot Carlin excelled.
Peter Hughes and Tommy McGuigan added to the home side's tally, and they took a commanding 0-10 to 0-1 lead into the interval.
Fermanagh narrowed the gap with points from Séamus and Conor Quigley, and, midway through the second half, the youngest of the three Quigley brothers, Seán, fired in a goal.
Séamus Quigley, who only entered the action at the start of the second half, hit his fifth score to make it a two-point game.
But they had captain Ryan McCluskey sent off for a second booking in the 68th minute, and Tyrone held on for a three-point win.
TYRONE: J Devin; A McCrory, C McCarron, PJ Quinn; Seán O'Neill, P Harte (0-2, one 45), D Carlin; M Murphy (0-2), C Cavanagh (0-2); P Hughes, M Penrose, M Donnelly (0-1); T McGuigan (0-1, free), Stephen O'Neill (0-5, two free), J Lafferty. Subs: D McCaul for Carlin, O Mulligan for Penrose, K Coney for Donnelly, S McNulty for McGuigan.
FERMANAGH: R Gallagher; N Bogue, B Owens, J Woods; C Quigley (0-1), R McCluskey, N McElroy; E Donnelly, S Lyons; J Sherry, D Keenan, E Maguire; P Ward, D Kille (0-1, free), Seán Quigley (1-0). Subs: B Mulrone for Lyons, Séamus Quigley (0-5, four frees) for Kille, T Corrigan for McElroy, L Lynch for Maguire.
Referee: R O'Donnell (Donegal).
Didn't get down to the game last night. What was the Fermanagh team?
How did Fermanagh get on in the middle third? It was been something I feel has been overlooked due to our lack of scoring forwards/free taker recently
Quigley has the potential to be a brilliant county player, but it's only the McKenna cup and neither Antrim or Tyrone were playing there best teams. I'd also hazard a guess Tyrone dropped the pace a bit?
He is very talented with his feet but whether he has his head in order is another matter. I would be delighted if he sticks it out til the end of the championship but I'd guess there will be a wobble somewhere. Mcginnity was trying to indulge him I'd guess, and if he was county level fit Rosslea would be unstoppable
Quote from: Orangemac on January 18, 2012, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
3 Quigley brothers from Roslea Shamrocks who have won back to back championships in Fermanagh and the double last season. Conor oldest (about 26 I think) then Seamy is about 23/24 and Sean is 19/20. All good footballers on their day, Conor being a back is most under rated out of the 3, Seamy is an enigma, quality footballer who comes with a hot temper.
Seamy Quigley undoubtedly is the best forward in Fermanagh in terms of talent (what has he scored in the McKenn cup 2-21 in 3 games?) but can Canavan get him to knuckle down and stay committed all year?
Dont forget most of them scores are from free kicks..
Last night all he scored was 1 point from play and apart from score frees didnt do apile only trying to shove is fat ass around.
Quote from: bustsummoves on January 19, 2012, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on January 18, 2012, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
3 Quigley brothers from Roslea Shamrocks who have won back to back championships in Fermanagh and the double last season. Conor oldest (about 26 I think) then Seamy is about 23/24 and Sean is 19/20. All good footballers on their day, Conor being a back is most under rated out of the 3, Seamy is an enigma, quality footballer who comes with a hot temper.
Seamy Quigley undoubtedly is the best forward in Fermanagh in terms of talent (what has he scored in the McKenn cup 2-21 in 3 games?) but can Canavan get him to knuckle down and stay committed all year?
Dont forget most of them scores are from free kicks..
Last night all he scored was 1 point from play and apart from score frees didnt do apile only trying to shove is fat ass around.
whats that there in English fella ??? ::) :P
Quote from: mick999 on January 19, 2012, 09:27:29 AM
Irish Times report on Tyrone Fermanagh:
Tyrone hold on to deny Canavan's charges
Tyrone's Matthew Donnelly barges past Fermanagh's Shane Lyons at Healy Park, Omagh, last night.
(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/tile/2012/0119/1224310447165_1.jpg?ts=1326963756)
Photograph: Inpho
Tyrone made it three wins on the trot and march on to the Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals.
In front of a crowd of almost 7,000, Fermanagh staged a superb second-half comeback and came close to stealing what would have been a remarkable win.
They trailed by nine points at the break, but the introduction of Tommy McGuigan sparked the revival. He fired over five points and his brother Seán grabbed a goal, but Tyrone held on.
Fermanagh could have had a goal early on when James Sherry sent Seán Quigley through, but his shot was kept out by John Devine's foot.
Tyrone, after a shaky opening, finally got off the mark in the eighth minute, but once Stephen O'Neill nailed their opening score they were able to hit the target almost at will.
Colm Cavanagh won an abundance of possession around the middle of the field, and chipped in with a couple of long-range scores, while O'Neill displayed his genius with two more gems from play.
Indeed, Tyrone's first seven scores came from open play, with Mickey Murphy and Peter Hughes also on target.
Daniel Kille hit Fermanagh's sole first-half score, from a free, as their attack was unable to make any headway against a tight-marking defence in which Peter Harte, PJ Quinn and Dermot Carlin excelled.
Peter Hughes and Tommy McGuigan added to the home side's tally, and they took a commanding 0-10 to 0-1 lead into the interval.
Fermanagh narrowed the gap with points from Séamus and Conor Quigley, and, midway through the second half, the youngest of the three Quigley brothers, Seán, fired in a goal.
Séamus Quigley, who only entered the action at the start of the second half, hit his fifth score to make it a two-point game.
But they had captain Ryan McCluskey sent off for a second booking in the 68th minute, and Tyrone held on for a three-point win.
TYRONE: J Devin; A McCrory, C McCarron, PJ Quinn; Seán O'Neill, P Harte (0-2, one 45), D Carlin; M Murphy (0-2), C Cavanagh (0-2); P Hughes, M Penrose, M Donnelly (0-1); T McGuigan (0-1, free), Stephen O'Neill (0-5, two free), J Lafferty. Subs: D McCaul for Carlin, O Mulligan for Penrose, K Coney for Donnelly, S McNulty for McGuigan.
FERMANAGH: R Gallagher; N Bogue, B Owens, J Woods; C Quigley (0-1), R McCluskey, N McElroy; E Donnelly, S Lyons; J Sherry, D Keenan, E Maguire; P Ward, D Kille (0-1, free), Seán Quigley (1-0). Subs: B Mulrone for Lyons, Séamus Quigley (0-5, four frees) for Kille, T Corrigan for McElroy, L Lynch for Maguire.
Referee: R O'Donnell (Donegal).
Does anybody bother proof reading this??
Not too sure if this has been covered, and no doubt there'll be a few dissenting voices however...
I think the tickets prices for single games in this are a bit of a joke. £9 in last night to see Antrim vs Queens is utter madness in the middle of January especially when you consider the fact that in a few weeks time there will be a double header at Croke involving Dublin and Tyrone (seperate games) which im told will cost 12 euro a ticket. Think whoever sets these prices, Ill assume the Ulster Council, need to have another look at the price structure.
Not only that, the people taking the money didnt really seem to have a clue either. Was told by some who asked outside what the price was for student tickets and were told full price then got up to the gate and were told £5 (which was decent, and in my opinion should have been teh price for all), however a few other fellas who went up and asked for students were charged £9 ???
Then seen a couple of young fellas (under 16) head up in antrim tops and were told that if they werent with an adult they would be charged £2 each. They should be encouraged to go in, not told they'll have to pay otherwise they wont get in.
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on January 19, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 18, 2012, 11:46:08 PM
Tyrone ran riot in first half, turning over Fermanagh and getting acres of space around midfield and half forward. SON was in great form and Lafferty looked very sharp. Mattie Donnelly had a lot of possession but maybe just needs a bit more confidence. Hughes also did well.
Fermanagh came at Tyrone with Seamus Quigley in the second and deployed a tighter blanket defence which frustrated Tyrone, forcing them to shoot from difficult angles, but they still missed a bagful. Aidan McCrory and Peter Harte's runs were among the highlights of the night, pity their efforts weren't converted.
Felt ref awarded a lot of soft and easily converted frees to Fermanagh, bumping up Seamy Quigley's score tally. He did take a nice point from play,but wouldn't get carried away with his impact. Mickey Murphy missed an absolute sitter on bascially an open goal, but to be fair Fermanagh had at least 3 good goal chances before they bagged one.
Quigley (the wider) is clearly not fit for 70 mins against Tyrone, least Canavan doesn't think so. Pace was fairly fierce for McKenna football. Why else wouldn't he start? Will be interesting (if he starts) on Sunday, how long he lasts. Nicely teed up.
McCrory, Harte, Cavanagh and SON very strong for Tyrone, with Hughes and Lafferty looking good. Hope they get a stab at the league.
Dont know what game you were at?? he turned the game on its head.Fermanagh offered nothing in attack until he entered the fray. the whole side evolves around him from what i seen..Tyrone were beat 1-06 to 0-3 during the period when he came on so a treble scores defeat in the second half im no mathimatician but id say if you dont get carried away with that impact it must take a fair bit to get you excited....
Fermanagh could have easily had two first half goals only for good keeping/defending and plenty of luck for Tyrone. They also shot a bagful of wides. Tyrone being reduced to 3 second half points had everything to do with Canavan's tactics of a thick blanket and nothing to do with Seamus. Tyrone were frustrated and couldn't convert from distance and wide angles. Yes Quigley gave them a target man to lob into and he was always a threat... But 4/5 of his points came from handy frees which I don't remember him winning. He is certaintly talented and has the ability to shoot from everywhere, but Fermanagh were always going to come out of the cages in the second half. Only surprise was that their goal didn't come earlier. Still, hope Quigley gets the start on Sunday. His presence alone is good for the atmosphere in the usually dull McKenna period.
Delighted for wee Paul Carvill, note the spelling, last night. His free at the death to win the game for Armagh was superb, considering the pressure he would have been under, the distance and at the wrong side of the field for a left footer. As has been mentioned had Monaghan someone other than Finlay, who was excellent, able to take a score they would have won handily enough.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 19, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
Delighted for wee Paul Carvill, note the spelling, last night. His free at the death to win the game for Armagh was superb, considering the pressure he would have been under, the distance and at the wrong side of the field for a left footer. As has been mentioned had Monaghan someone other than Finlay, who was excellent, able to take a score they would have won handily enough.
Were you one of the boys shouting "Go on PC!" ???
Someone said earlier they thought Darren Hughes was rusty, I have to say i thought he had a great game.
Latest odds:
Tyrone 11/10
Down 11/4
Derry 3/1
Fermanagh 5/1
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 19, 2012, 01:26:02 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 19, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
Delighted for wee Paul Carvill, note the spelling, last night. His free at the death to win the game for Armagh was superb, considering the pressure he would have been under, the distance and at the wrong side of the field for a left footer. As has been mentioned had Monaghan someone other than Finlay, who was excellent, able to take a score they would have won handily enough.
Were you one of the boys shouting "Go on PC!" ???
That was probably some of the other Tir na nÓg boys, I was sitting by myself! I was talking to some of the boys on the way out of the game and one of them was particularly pleased with PC as he had backed Armagh! Was probably him lol.
Someone said earlier they thought Darren Hughes was rusty, I have to say i thought he had a great game.
Quote from: AFS on January 18, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
Rough enough game in Armagh tonight. Monaghan need to work on shooting. Armagh need to work on passing. Martin Higgins needs to work on not being an officious wee bollix.
Good to hear Martin had such a good game.
With a bit of luck this year Martin will make the final list for the championship at national level this year.
Then sadly he will be unable to
ruin referee as many club games internally in Fermanagh.
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on January 19, 2012, 09:07:58 AM
Exactly what I was thinking, he changed the game completely. He gives us an aggressive focal point which inspires the whole team. What is worrying is how bad we were up front in the 1st half when he wasn't there.
Best for Fermanagh was probably Bogue, Woods, Conor Q, Sherry, Keenan and obviously Seamus. Keenan especially seems to have got alot stronger during his year out.
I was disappointed with Owens, he was never blessed with pace, but he seems to have got even slower, hopefully this improves as he get fitter. Eamon also still seems to be of the pace, but like Owens I suppose fitness is probably still an issue there.
When we throw in some stronger players such as Kelly, McElroy and McGrath and then also the speed of Little, we certainly have a team good enough to give most teams a run for there money!
In my opinion the half back line now only has one place up for grabs.
McCluckey is the CHB with C Quigley the other WHB.
That leaves Tommy and Damien fighting it out for the other position.
We have a good strength in depth in the WHB position.
Little and Keenan would be a great combination as WHF's.
I hope i am wrong but am unsure whether we will see Marty back for a while.
We have to develop other options there as a partner for Sherry.
Does anybody know if the university players can now play for there counties in the semi finals??
Quote from: FermGael on January 19, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 18, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
Rough enough game in Armagh tonight. Monaghan need to work on shooting. Armagh need to work on passing. Martin Higgins needs to work on not being an officious wee bollix.
Good to hear Martin had such a good game.
With a bit of luck this year Martin will make the final list for the championship at national level this year.
Then sadly he will be unable to ruin referee as many club games internally in Fermanagh.
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on January 19, 2012, 09:07:58 AM
Exactly what I was thinking, he changed the game completely. He gives us an aggressive focal point which inspires the whole team. What is worrying is how bad we were up front in the 1st half when he wasn't there.
Best for Fermanagh was probably Bogue, Woods, Conor Q, Sherry, Keenan and obviously Seamus. Keenan especially seems to have got alot stronger during his year out.
I was disappointed with Owens, he was never blessed with pace, but he seems to have got even slower, hopefully this improves as he get fitter. Eamon also still seems to be of the pace, but like Owens I suppose fitness is probably still an issue there.
When we throw in some stronger players such as Kelly, McElroy and McGrath and then also the speed of Little, we certainly have a team good enough to give most teams a run for there money!
In my opinion the half back line now only has one place up for grabs.
McCluckey is the CHB with C Quigley the other WHB.
That leaves Tommy and Damien fighting it out for the other position.
We have a good strength in depth in the WHB position.
Little and Keenan would be a great combination as WHF's.
I hope i am wrong but am unsure whether we will see Marty back for a while.
We have to develop other options there as a partner for Sherry.
Does anybody know if the university players can now play for there counties in the semi finals??
No, they can't play for their counties now
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Quote from: FermGael on January 19, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
In my opinion the half back line now only has one place up for grabs.
McCluckey is the CHB with C Quigley the other WHB.
That leaves Tommy and Damien fighting it out for the other position.
We have a good strength in depth in the WHB position.
Little and Keenan would be a great combination as WHF's.
I hope i am wrong but am unsure whether we will see Marty back for a while.
We have to develop other options there as a partner for Sherry.
Does anybody know if the university players can now play for there counties in the semi finals??
If everybody was fit I would guess McElroy will go wing half back and Kelly wing half forward, we really lack strength and size in the half forward line and Kelly might help with that.
Lyons will partner James at midfield.
So where are you playing Little and D Keenan then??
Quote from: FermGael on January 19, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
So where are you playing Little and D Keenan then??
Assuming people are fit, it would be:
Ronnie
Bogue
Owens/Lyons
Woods
Conor Q
Clucker
Tommy
Lyons/Owens
Sherry
Little
Keenan (very impressive there last night)
Kelly
Sean Q
Seamus Q
A.N Other
A.N other to come from Eamon, Corrigan, Ward etc.
There was a feistiness about the last 15 there last night to Fermanagh which caused Tyrone concern although the game was over at half time, guys needed to make a mark and that made the game enjoyable. I expect an even more robust affair on Sunday, Big Quigley provides danger up there and will make life tough for most full backs but the ball in to him would need to be looked at and he brings great excitement to the crowd. Stevie O Neill is still one of the best forwards in Ireland. Petie Harte is going to be Tyrones most important player for the next few years. I thought Mc Crory has a great burst of speed and is almost uncatchable when in full flow. Fermanagh will certainly head for division 3 this year they are potentially a much better side than their first half showing and if Biggus Quiggus stays focussed theres a promising season in store for long suffering Fermanagh Gaels. Down are certainly going to need Dan Gordon at f/b later on in the year.
i'd said i wasnt going back to an armagh game until i thought they were taking it seriously. imo the arrival of paul grimley is a signal of intent. now i'm wondering what PORs job is because it was quite clear that grimley was doing the managing and paddy was along for the ride. back to the game it was shite but it was enjoyable shite. charlie vernon is not a defender! infact i dont know what he is he won a ball in mid-field (admirably) and with a clear run on goals he took off ACROSS the pitch knocked into a couple of farneymen who didnt see him coming and passed to the wings?? ::) finn mo's stats have to atrocious he cannot complete a 20 yard pass. how he stayed on the pitch? armaghs best were mc keever,mal,gene,and wee carvill his free at the end considering the ref did his best to put him off was outstanding. the big donamoyne man certainly stands out although he didnt play (i watched him warn up) jeez hes a big lad. armagh still have a lazy feel from them and should have been well beat but for monaghans poor shooting
Can anyone give me some info on Matthew Donnelly.
What age is he?
What's he like at club level?
What's his strengths and weaknesses?
Will he make it this year and what's his best position?
Lawnseed, you sound like you'd be a big loss if you did stay away.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2012, 07:50:07 PM
Can anyone give me some info on Matthew Donnelly.
What age is he?
What's he like at club level?
What's his strengths and weaknesses?
Will he make it this year and what's his best position?
He was on the same minor side that beat mayo in the all ireland final after a replay..played wing half forward that day in croke park in the first game and kicked the equaliser from 30 yards with the last kick of the game to take it to a replay. Plays alot of footy at full forward for trillick and had a huge year a few years back when they won an intermediate ulster title..also played full forward for uuj alot and put up some mighty performances in the sigerson eithe rlast year or year before.
I always liked him at full forward as he shows well for ball..and wins it and links it up. He has two good feet and has filled alot this past year..very able in the air too which was used alot last night from devines kickouts when harte tried him at wing forward. Being honest i wouldn say he is in the best 6 forwards in tyrone
I think he's good, but ( as they say) he's not the best footballer in his house.
Quote from: lawnseed on January 19, 2012, 07:21:55 PM
i'd said i wasnt going back to an armagh game until i thought they were taking it seriously. imo the arrival of paul grimley is a signal of intent. now i'm wondering what PORs job is because it was quite clear that grimley was doing the managing and paddy was along for the ride. back to the game it was shite but it was enjoyable shite. charlie vernon is not a defender! infact i dont know what he is he won a ball in mid-field (admirably) and with a clear run on goals he took off ACROSS the pitch knocked into a couple of farneymen who didnt see him coming and passed to the wings?? ::) finn mo's stats have to atrocious he cannot complete a 20 yard pass. how he stayed on the pitch? armaghs best were mc keever,mal,gene,and wee carvill his free at the end considering the ref did his best to put him off was outstanding. the big donamoyne man certainly stands out although he didnt play (i watched him warn up) jeez hes a big lad. armagh still have a lazy feel from them and should have been well beat but for monaghans poor shooting
:D
McKenna Cup attendances up 40%
20 January 2012
As the competition reaches its penultimate stage with the semi-finals down for decision this weekend - two more mouth-watering clashes featuring Derry V Down and Tyrone V Fermanagh Pt II in a double bill - Ulster Council admits the gates have been a big improvement on last season.
The 40% increase was epitomised by the 7,000-strong crowd that travelled to Omagh to watch the meeting of neighbours Tyrone and Fermanagh on Wednesday night.
Provincial secretary Danny Murphy says there have been two main reasons for the upturn: "Weather conditions are far better and we've been lucky with the draw and the number of local matches.
"Down and Armagh was up 50% on last year and the Canavan factor had an impact on Wednesday. It's probably slightly unfortunate Tyrone play Fermanagh again in the semi-finals on Sunday but, without being certain, we'd expect around 5,000 for the double bill in Armagh."
Quote from: bennydorano on January 19, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
Lawnseed, you sound like you'd be a big loss if you did stay away.
what did you think of the game
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2012, 07:50:07 PM
Can anyone give me some info on Matthew Donnelly.
What age is he?
What's he like at club level?
What's his strengths and weaknesses?
Will he make it this year and what's his best position?
Very good footballer, but needs to be playing close to the square, would be wasted anywhere else, and half-forward wouldn't suit his style at all.
Quote from: lawnseed on January 20, 2012, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 19, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
Lawnseed, you sound like you'd be a big loss if you did stay away.
what did you think of the game
Entertaining enough for a cold wed night in January.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 20, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on January 20, 2012, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 19, 2012, 08:22:41 PM
Lawnseed, you sound like you'd be a big loss if you did stay away.
what did you think of the game
Entertaining enough for a cold wed night in January.
Some "supporters" are hard to please.
Quote from: antrimlad on January 19, 2012, 10:21:47 AM
Not too sure if this has been covered, and no doubt there'll be a few dissenting voices however...
I think the tickets prices for single games in this are a bit of a joke. £9 in last night to see Antrim vs Queens is utter madness in the middle of January especially when you consider the fact that in a few weeks time there will be a double header at Croke involving Dublin and Tyrone (seperate games) which im told will cost 12 euro a ticket. Think whoever sets these prices, Ill assume the Ulster Council, need to have another look at the price structure.
Not only that, the people taking the money didnt really seem to have a clue either. Was told by some who asked outside what the price was for student tickets and were told full price then got up to the gate and were told £5 (which was decent, and in my opinion should have been teh price for all), however a few other fellas who went up and asked for students were charged £9 ???
Then seen a couple of young fellas (under 16) head up in antrim tops and were told that if they werent with an adult they would be charged £2 each. They should be encouraged to go in, not told they'll have to pay otherwise they wont get in.
Myself and 3 friends, 2 foreign students and new to GAA were charged full price. Emailed the ulster council, they said there were student rates and that I should inform them of the turnstile so they can have words with the fella. But what about the extra I was charged? Close to double. No reply to my follow up email as yet...
Scanning a season ticket is painful with a lot of stewards as well.
They might be stewards but they don't get the training.
How much in to the games on Sunday?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 21, 2012, 12:35:17 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 20, 2012, 11:40:01 PM
How much in to the games on Sunday?
£9 I read somewhere.
Cheers Benny. Same for two games as it is for 1,
bargain
Any team news?
Tyrone have named side this evening for tomorrows clash with Fermanagh :
1. P McConnell
2. A McCrory 3. C Clarke 4. PJ Quinn
5. C McCarron 6. P Harte 7. Justy McMahon
8. N McKenna 9. C Cavanagh
10. C Gervin 11. K Coney 12. P McNiece
13. O Mulligan 14. Mattie Donnelly 15. Ronan O'Neill
Would give fermanagh a great chance from looking at the above team. Much weaker and inexperienced than team that played wednesday night.
Any word on Derry team? Will Paddy Bradley feature or was he togged wednesday night against donegal
Mugsy's first start of the year. We can't complain that Mickey's not trying out new players anyway or giving lads experience in different positions. As a few of ye suggested Donnelly gets his chance at FF. How tall is he? McKenna another chance at MF and Justy will probably love the freedom of 7. I'd expect SoN, Penrose and a few others to come on 2nd have if we're struggling. I'd sa Mickey prefers coming from behind in games rather than finishing a game poorly. Should Fermanagh win it will give them a huge shot in the arm for the season. A bit of belief in Canavan and themselves. Any word on cassidy? Wouldn't it be nice come June if we had a descent settled MF pairing. How's CC done so far this year? Is he catching much clean ball. Will we ever see the day him and Sean line out at MF together?
Apart from tiring in the second half on Wednesday C Cav has had a very good McKenna Cup. He's worked hard, caught ball and got a few scrores. At this stage looks like a good option for midfield this year. But really all depends how he steps up in the league when the standard rises. Not surprised he tired on Wednesday given the conditions and it being his third game in the middle.
Anybody know if the matches are on the radio today ?
Quote from: Jimmyjimson on January 22, 2012, 10:47:37 AM
Anybody know if the matches are on the radio today ?
Looking to know the same, q101 covering Derrytresk in the All Ireland club Semi. Radio Ulster maybe ?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 22, 2012, 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: Jimmyjimson on January 22, 2012, 10:47:37 AM
Anybody know if the matches are on the radio today ?
Looking to know the same, q101 covering Derrytresk in the All Ireland club Semi. Radio Ulster maybe ?
Doesn't look likely. Q101 might do the odd update. Twitter's probably the best bet for 'Live' coverage.
Great coverage on twitter for weds game! Hopefully the same today then!
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 22, 2012, 09:11:02 AM
Mugsy's first start of the year. We can't complain that Mickey's not trying out new players anyway or giving lads experience in different positions. As a few of ye suggested Donnelly gets his chance at FF. How tall is he? McKenna another chance at MF and Justy will probably love the freedom of 7. I'd expect SoN, Penrose and a few others to come on 2nd have if we're struggling. I'd sa Mickey prefers coming from behind in games rather than finishing a game poorly. Should Fermanagh win it will give them a huge shot in the arm for the season. A bit of belief in Canavan and themselves. Any word on cassidy? Wouldn't it be nice come June if we had a descent settled MF pairing. How's CC done so far this year? Is he catching much clean ball. Will we ever see the day him and Sean line out at MF together?
I'd say Donnelly is 6' or 6'1.
I think Sean and Colm lined out there once last year?
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Tyrone 0-02 Fermanagh 1-02 nearly half time.
Owen Mulligan scores a point
Tyrone 0-03 Fermanagh 1-02
Penrose on for McNiece
Half time at the Athletic Grounds
Tyrone 0-03 Fermanagh 1-02
Mark Donnelly and Penrose score a point apiece for Tyrone
Tyrone 0-05 Fermanagh 1-02
Tyrone go a point in front with a score from Ronan O'Neill
Tyrone go in front following a free by Kyle Coney
Tyrone 0-07 Fermanagh 1-03
Ronan O'Neill adds another point for Tyrone
Who won other semi?
McKenna Cup semi final at The Athletic Grounds, Armagh
Derry 0-11 Down 0-09
If John Brennan's aim was to get the maximum amount of competitive games before the start of the league, then he has succeeded. Five points from Man-of-the-Match Conleith Gilligan, alongside an impressive first start of the year for Paddy Bradley, ensured Derry remained unbeaten in 2012.
Playing into a strong breeze in what was an uneventful first half, Derry opened the scoring through Paddy Bradley who then combined with Gilligan for the latter to score Derry's second point. Aidan Carr then brought Down back into the game with two frees to leave the sides tied on 0-02 each after 20mins.
Down then started to make the most of the wind at their backs to push two points ahead, one of which was from the well advanced full-back, Dan Gordon. The switch of Cailean O'Boyle had an immediate effect after the big Lavey man claimed a terrific catch to set Mark Lynch off on a run goal-ward. Lynch fed Bradley who again was fouled. The breeze proved no obstacle to Paddy as he duely converted to leave just one between them at half time. Derry 0-03 Down 0-04.
In the second half, Derry played some composed football. Quick to get numbers back to defend and quick to work the ball from defence, Brennan's boys levelled after 38mins thanks to a massive effort from 50m by Mark Lynch. With Forester providing strong running and the inside line of O'Boyle, Bradley and Gilligan tormenting their opponents, Derry worked the ball around the Down sweeper to go 0-06 to 0-04 up thanks to points from Gilligan (1 from play, 1 free).
Another clean catch from O'Boyle on the '50′, and a quick one-two with Sean Leo McGoldrick presented O'Boyle with the chance to put Derry three up, a chance he took with style. Again it was left to Down's top scorer, Aidan Carr, to bring Down back into the game. The Clonduff man hit two frees to put just a single point between the sides with 56mins gone.
Derry responded through Gilligan from a free after O'Boyle proved too much of a handful for his marker. With Derry looking composed they played some intricate patterns of play resulting in Gerard O'Kane firing over his first point of the game to stretch his sides lead to three. Bradley continued to pose major problems for Down and the pressure told when the Glenullin pointed from a free after being fouled. Derry led by four with 7 mins to play.
Time after time Down's threat of Coulter and co were thwarted by some excellent defending in numbers with the full back line of Dillon, Morrow and McCallion looking strong and being bolstered by retreating players.
Frustration boiled over for Down as Kallum King received a straight red card for a kicking offence. Down would score two points to keep Oak Leaf fans anxious to the finish. However, the game ended shortly after with 3 minutes of additional time played out to see Derry advance to a second McKenna Cup final in two years.
So far, so good...
D Devlin, B McCallion, L Morrow, R Dillon, SL McGoldrick, G O'Kane (0-01), C McKaigue, J McCamley, J Diver, B McGoldrick, M Lynch (0-01), N Forester, P Bradley (0-03), C O'Boyle (0-01), C Gilligan (0-05).
Subs: Conway for McCamley, K O'Neill for J Diver, E McGuckin for M Lynch
Does anyone know when final is scheduled for? Next Sunday?
Wonderful goal from Owen Mulligan, followed up with a point from Ronan O'Neill
Tyrone 1-09 Fermanagh 1-03
That's 1.01 he has isn't
Competition for places hotting up nicely
Look like Kildare could win the O'Byrne cup as they beat the Dubs today.
Could be an interesting game in a few weeks
10 mins left
Tyrone 1-09 Fermanagh 1-04
Final next Saturday night, venue to be confirmed later
Game of two halves by the sounds of it.
Yes as I predicted last night
I think Mickey prefers to come from behind and win games that way.
Yes I know its not over yet.
When and where is the final against the inbreds? ::)
Back to the Athletic Grounds i would assume
Michael Murphy scores a point and Tyrone go 6 points in front
Any word on attendance?
Tyrone 1-10 Fermanagh 1-04
Michael Murphy scores a point and Tyrone go 6 points in front.
Michael Murphy replaces Niall McKenna
Wonder how how McKenna played
Is McNabb out injured again?
I'd say Lafferty is dying to get on or will look forward to getting Derry next.
GOAL..... Ronan O'Neill scores a goal for Tyrone
Ronan O'Neill adds another point
Mark Donnelly named man of the match
Michael Murphy scores his 2nd point for Tyrone
Final score: Tyrone 2-12 Fermanagh 1-04 Final next Saturday evening at the Athletic Grounds at 7-30pm
Most say the aul twitter is a great job. I haven't really used it much before.
I'm due to be in Belfast next Sat evening so might make a wee detour.
Great to hear Donnelly did well at FF or did he stay there all day?
Did anyone else stand out
Better tell Paddy Bradley to practice his keepy uppies in the next week
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
What leg was it again he hurt?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 22, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
Final score: Tyrone 2-12 Fermanagh 1-04 Final next Saturday evening at the Athletic Grounds at 7-30pm
Most say the aul twitter is a great job. I haven't really used it much before.
I'm due to be in Belfast next Sat evening so might make a wee detour.
Great to hear Donnelly did well at FF or did he stay there all day?
Did anyone else stand out
Better tell Paddy Bradley to practice his keepy uppies in the next week
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
What leg was it again he hurt?
FFS Fuzzman wise up
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I am delighted for Paddy that he is back to full fitness and I wish Eoin the best as well
Of course we're not best of friends with our near neighbours but those are awful injuries for anyone
I hope its a good final. We don't have a great record in such games this time of year
I wonder will Mickey still stick with his experimenting
Great work Give her Dixie
Very handy for us lads with 10 weans living in Dublin ;D
See Quigley's goal for Fermanagh against Tyrone, courtesy of Ulster GAA - http://youtu.be/kHgyn8GFG2Y (http://youtu.be/kHgyn8GFG2Y)
And here's Mugsy's goal - http://youtu.be/5mrHBnstK9U (http://youtu.be/5mrHBnstK9U)
See Ronan O'Neill's goal here - http://youtu.be/JRqzXHCkvLw (http://youtu.be/JRqzXHCkvLw)
See Conleith Gilligan score Derry's best point today against Down - http://youtu.be/cYJTloviFVE (http://youtu.be/cYJTloviFVE)
That wasn't easy looked at today.Wind didn't help matters but both games were awful.
Quote from: applemad on January 22, 2012, 05:13:58 PM
Any word on attendance?
Official Attendance for Power NI McKenna Semi Final Double Header 8806
Quote from: Any craic on January 22, 2012, 06:07:34 PM
And here's Mugsy's goal - http://youtu.be/5mrHBnstK9U (http://youtu.be/5mrHBnstK9U)
Life in the old dog yet ;D. Great work by Penrose initially to win possession.
Would imagine Mickey Harte will be pretty satisfied with how the McKenna Cup has gone. He always likes as many competitive games as possible so reaching the final ensures the full complement. A number of the younger lads have shown up well and it's been good to see the older ones looking hungry early in the season. The league will be another significant step up and will be a bigger test of the new look team, but some positive signs at this stage.
Final is back in Athletic Grounds at 7.30pm on Saturday. Bring your thermals.
Definitely a game of two halves. I would have probably gave MOTM to PJ Quinn or Mugsy. Ronan O'Neill should be good enough for his place in the league now as well.
Seamus Quigley seemed to be carrying an injury, did go down for a time in the first, which is why he maybe didn't have a bigger impact before he went off at half-time. Still managed the goal though, despite 3/4 wayward shots.
Paddy Bradley is a handful. Every ball that went into him, he either took it clean or claimed it after breaking it down. Gilligan always a threat as well.
Anyone at the game wanna give us a wee summary of how everyone did. How was Clarke at full back? What about McKenna and Colm. Great to see Mugsy back getting scores and fighting for his place so early. We often doubt his attitude in the winter months. At the moment are we lookin at Mat Donnelly and RoN the likiest to break into the squad with McCrory and PJ pushing for starting places come summer if they stay fit. Anyone else? So will wee Pete be half back or forward this year.
Pics from Tyrone v Fermanagh game, will probably be tomorrow evening before get sorting out the Derry v Down game photos, will post a link when I do
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157628987689563/detail/
Pics from Derry v Down game
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157628994537635/detail/
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 22, 2012, 08:33:13 PM
Anyone at the game wanna give us a wee summary of how everyone did. How was Clarke at full back? What about McKenna and Colm. Great to see Mugsy back getting scores and fighting for his place so early. We often doubt his attitude in the winter months. At the moment are we lookin at Mat Donnelly and RoN the likiest to break into the squad with McCrory and PJ pushing for starting places come summer if they stay fit. Anyone else? So will wee Pete be half back or forward this year.
The defence, by and large, coped well - Conor Clarke did OK, but was out-muscled by Séamus Quigley for their goal (dropping ball into the edge of the square).
Was impressed with the solild assurance and industry of Ronan O'Neill; Colm Cav caught some great ball, worked hard and only once or twice did I have to shake my head in disgust at his silly loss of possession after some good work (on his behalf), which is a big improvement!; Niall Mc Kenna did OK, if unspectacularly so; Ciaran Girvan is probably not quite the finished Senior article yet, but has potential; Kyle Coney didn't quite find his rhythm.
The forwards were poor enough in the first half, but Penrose's introduction sharpened things, with Mugsy the best forward on show, taking a cracking goal.
Overall, it was a very positive outing, with plenty for MH to ponder.
QuoteThe forwards were poor enough in the first half, but Penrose's introduction sharpened things, with Mugsy the best forward on show, taking a cracking goal.
I thought he was retiring?
Cheers FoSB.
So are we any the wiser for a new FB or MF?
Will we see Justy there again for the summer if he's fit or will it be McCarron or Clarke?
What's the story with McCaul? He played in the Antrim game didn't he?
How did he do? There seems good competition all over the pitch now.
How about these forward lines?
Old School
Mugsy SoN Mark Donnelly
Sean Tommy Penrose
or new school...
RoN J Lafferty Matthew Donnelly
P.Hughes P.Harte Coney
Some have struggled to play well to date and there are also players might be more suitable to the summer that are struggling so far. I wonder is Tommy carrying an injury or would be a player more suited for the summer time when, after all, the important games are played.
Whats the crack with the size of panels for the mc kenna cup. I seen the lists of 26 but tyrone have already played 4 guys that were'nt named on the original 26. Has anyone else noticed this. Is this another case of MH doing it his way and not ulster councils.
Cheers FoSB.
So are we any the wiser for a new FB or MF?
Will we see Justy there again for the summer if he's fit or will it be McCarron or Clarke?
What's the story with McCaul? He played in the Antrim game didn't he?
How did he do? There seems good competition all over the pitch now.
How about these forward lines?
Old School
Mugsy SoN Mark Donnelly
Sean Tommy Penrose
or new school...
RoN J Lafferty Matthew Donnelly
P.Hughes P.Harte Coney
I think you'd need a mixture of both experience and youth in the forward line. I know the younger ones are still learning but until the old hands came on yesterday we had no players stepping up and taking the scores.
Mugsy Penrose Sean
Mark Donnelly SoN RoN
With Mattie, lafferty and coney having game time.
Whats the crack with the size of panels for the mc kenna cup. I seen the lists of 26 but tyrone have already played 4 guys that were'nt named on the original 26. Has anyone else noticed this. Is this another case of MH doing it his way and not ulster councils.
A few players have been injured, cassidy and the likes so cathal mccarron and mugsy where brought in. Im not sure if big joe was named in original panel so someone else must have been ommitted from the panel yesterday.
Tommy is in NY with family. Think he misses final aswell.
Quote from: the goal was on on January 23, 2012, 02:27:32 PM
Whats the crack with the size of panels for the mc kenna cup. I seen the lists of 26 but tyrone have already played 4 guys that were'nt named on the original 26. Has anyone else noticed this. Is this another case of MH doing it his way and not ulster councils.
Aye down did it as well a few including Danny Hughes and Coulter not named on original panel
Quote from: Tyrone4Sam on January 23, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
Cheers FoSB.
So are we any the wiser for a new FB or MF?
Will we see Justy there again for the summer if he's fit or will it be McCarron or Clarke?
What's the story with McCaul? He played in the Antrim game didn't he?
How did he do? There seems good competition all over the pitch now.
How about these forward lines?
Old School
Mugsy SoN Mark Donnelly
Sean Tommy Penrose
or new school...
RoN J Lafferty Matthew Donnelly
P.Hughes P.Harte Coney
I think you'd need a mixture of both experience and youth in the forward line. I know the younger ones are still learning but until the old hands came on yesterday we had no players stepping up and taking the scores.
Mugsy Penrose Sean
Mark Donnelly SoN RoN
With Mattie, lafferty and coney having game time.
Whats the crack with the size of panels for the mc kenna cup. I seen the lists of 26 but tyrone have already played 4 guys that were'nt named on the original 26. Has anyone else noticed this. Is this another case of MH doing it his way and not ulster councils.
A few players have been injured, cassidy and the likes so cathal mccarron and mugsy where brought in. Im not sure if big joe was named in original panel so someone else must have been ommitted from the panel yesterday.
Not sure about Clarke yet not played bad in 2 games he has played in but seems a wee bit raw yet. As for Justy seems to be unfit or has he just lost his form that made him an all star? McCarron playing half back at minute and is playing very very well weather Harte will keep him there is another question, maybe needed in full back line ? lots of questions plenty of time for answers
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on January 22, 2012, 07:30:24 PM
Final is back in Athletic Grounds at 7.30pm on Saturday. Bring your thermals.
Definitely a game of two halves. I would have probably gave MOTM to PJ Quinn or Mugsy. Ronan O'Neill should be good enough for his place in the league now as well.
Seamus Quigley seemed to be carrying an injury, did go down for a time in the first, which is why he maybe didn't have a bigger impact before he went off at half-time. Still managed the goal though, despite 3/4 wayward shots.
Paddy Bradley is a handful. Every ball that went into him, he either took it clean or claimed it after breaking it down. Gilligan always a threat as well.
you wont need your thermals for the high stool or the sofa ! TG4 has it live
Strong Tyrone team named
Power NI McKenna Cup Final – Tyrone Team
Comórtas: Corn Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Doire
Dáta: 28-01-12
1 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
2 Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4 PJ Quinn – Baile na Móna
5 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
6 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Dermot Carlin - Coill an Chlochair
8 Michael Murphy – An Gallbhaile
9 Colm Cavanagh - An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
11 Peter Hughes - Eiscreach
12 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
13 Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chríochach
14 Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
15 Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
16 Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
18 Conor Clarke - An Omaigh
19 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
20 Jonathan Lafferty – Urnaí
21 Damian McCaul – Domhnach Mór
22 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
23 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
24 Stephen McNulty – Cluain Eo
25 Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
26 Sean O'Neill - An Droim Mhór
Wouldn't say it's overly strong. I'd be worried about both defensive wings.
Was impressed wth Michael Murphy last day out (gathered plenty of ball and kicked some great points), and will be interesting to see how he fares from the throw-in.
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2012, 09:14:07 PM
Wouldn't say it's overly strong. I'd be worried about both defensive wings.
Why is this ?
Interesting to hear you say that FoSB as I was wondering was he just back in to get another chance and then be dropped again for the league. Does he catch much clean ball? Is he a good fielder?
I'm a bit surprised how experienced a team Mickey is starting and so I reckon its sending out the message we want to win this cup this year and get the winning mentality back for the whole year.
It's been a long time since Tyrone teams have thought that way imo. For the past few years it seems to have been drift through the year, doing enough to stay up in the league and then try to peak for the end of the summer.
Interesting he's stuck with Mat Donnelly and Hughes at 11. I haven't seen these two lads play yet for the seniors whilst McKenna & Coney miss out again. I'd say Lafferty must be disappointed to get a start as I'd say he'd love to get a go at the REAL aul enemy. :D
Tyrone to upset the recent history and win by 2 points though they'll need to double mark PB like they did so well in Casement a few years ago. I'd say Justy's not looking forward to chasing his shadow all day.
Derry team
1 Danny Devlin
2 Dermot McBride
3 Liam Morrow
4 Ryan Dillon
5 Gerard O'Kane
6 Brian McCallion
7 Barry McGoldrick
8 James Conway
9 Joe Diver
10 Chrissy McKaigue
11 Mark Lynch
12 Sean Leo McGoldrick
13 Cailean O'Boyle
14 Paddy Bradley
15 Conleith Gilligan
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2012, 10:46:35 AM
Interesting to hear you say that FoSB as I was wondering was he just back in to get another chance and then be dropped again for the league. Does he catch much clean ball? Is he a good fielder?
Caught a fair bit Fuzzman, with a solid midfield presence, though I suppose at that stage Fermanagh were a beaten docket.
This will be a decent contest - really looking forward to it. First real test of the year, both managers naming strong sides, and by all accounts out to win the match.
Fancy Tyrone to shade it, but wouldnt stick much cash on it. It'll be a good tight game, but Tyrone look to have more options on the bench, and the bench could be important as both teams tire. It is January after all.
Much will depend on the service provided to the respective marksmen SON & PB. Would love to see a shoot out develop between the pair - but even in McKenna cup matches, id say this will be a defensive match, ultimately decided by the best organised & tight knit "back twelve"!
Here's hoping for a good clean contest between these sides, hopefully we are talking about the football again next week, and not any silly nonsense...
Fuzzman - I would be a big fan of Mattie Donnelly and pleased to see Harte has stuck with him after a few fairly flat performances to date.
Harte obviously see's something in him, however in my opinion you play him in the full forward line - or not at all.
Any time I have seen him play, I was impressed. He's proved himself for his club, at sigerson for UUJ & he performed really well at Minor & Under 21 level for the county. So he deserves his chance again to make the step up.
He has clearly being hitting the weights as well, filling out rightly over this past 12 months.
I have seen very very little of Peter Hughes, so cant comment. I noticed Paddy Heaney rates him highly (see interview on teamtalkmag.com) so will be interested to see how he fairs out.
Re. Murphy from Galbally - good club player no doubt. However I feel Harte is scratching around for a possible partner for Colm Cavanagh at the moment in the middle of the park. Cassidy doesnt look overly fit. I dont think we will see much of Murphy for Tyrone this year if im honest with Sean Cavanagh & Kevin Hughes yet to return... Personally id have one of the McMahons in the middle.
Quote from: Captain Black on January 27, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Derry team
1 Danny Devlin
2 Dermot McBride
3 Liam Morrow
4 Ryan Dillon
5 Gerard O'Kane
6 Brian McCallion
7 Barry McGoldrick
8 James Conway
9 Joe Diver
10 Chrissy McKaigue
11 Mark Lynch
12 Sean Leo McGoldrick
13 Cailean O'Boyle
14 Paddy Bradley
15 Conleith Gilligan
Where did you get this from CB? Didnt see it posted anywhere else.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 27, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Derry team
1 Danny Devlin
2 Dermot McBride
3 Liam Morrow
4 Ryan Dillon
5 Gerard O'Kane
6 Brian McCallion
7 Barry McGoldrick
8 James Conway
9 Joe Diver
10 Chrissy McKaigue
11 Mark Lynch
12 Sean Leo McGoldrick
13 Cailean O'Boyle
14 Paddy Bradley
15 Conleith Gilligan
Where did you get this from CB? Didnt see it posted anywhere else.
http://derrygaa.ie/2012/01/power-ni-dr-mckenna-cup-final-derry-team-named/
Quote from: God14 on January 27, 2012, 11:36:32 AM
This will be a decent contest - really looking forward to it. First real test of the year, both managers naming strong sides, and by all accounts out to win the match.
Fancy Tyrone to shade it, but wouldnt stick much cash on it. It'll be a good tight game, but Tyrone look to have more options on the bench, and the bench could be important as both teams tire. It is January after all.
Much will depend on the service provided to the respective marksmen SON & PB. Would love to see a shoot out develop between the pair - but even in McKenna cup matches, id say this will be a defensive match, ultimately decided by the best organised & tight knit "back twelve"!
Here's hoping for a good clean contest between these sides, hopefully we are talking about the football again next week, and not any silly nonsense...
I think the 12 man defensive term should be banned! Its like the term recession - the more the media and others use it the worse the problem gets!!! ;)
Quote from: Captain Black on January 27, 2012, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 27, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Derry team
1 Danny Devlin
2 Dermot McBride
3 Liam Morrow
4 Ryan Dillon
5 Gerard O'Kane
6 Brian McCallion
7 Barry McGoldrick
8 James Conway
9 Joe Diver
10 Chrissy McKaigue
11 Mark Lynch
12 Sean Leo McGoldrick
13 Cailean O'Boyle
14 Paddy Bradley
15 Conleith Gilligan
Where did you get this from CB? Didnt see it posted anywhere else.
http://derrygaa.ie/2012/01/power-ni-dr-mckenna-cup-final-derry-team-named/
Good spot! Was on there earlier and didnt see it.
I think Forrester can feel hard done by here.
Also see Patsy Bradley names in the subs! Hopefully he'll play some part too.
Is this match going to be televised?
Yeah TG4 on live
http://entertainment.ie/tv/display.asp?channelID=83&programme_day=28%20January%202012&programme_time=time6&programme=#TG4 (http://entertainment.ie/tv/display.asp?channelID=83&programme_day=28%20January%202012&programme_time=time6&programme=#TG4)
Do you get TG4 in Belfast folks as I'm there Sat night or will I have to use my Sky Go ;D
Smashing, thanks folks.
I see Derry have named James Conway at midfield with him having missed all of last season from what I can tell. Is he a guy that would be expected to make Derry's 15 come championship time?
Right predictions time....
I'm going to say Derry by 3....with Paddy Bradley doing a few keepy-uppies near the end to keep us all entertained ;)
Quote from: Keane on January 27, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
I see Derry have named James Conway at midfield with him having missed all of last season from what I can tell. Is he a guy that would be expected to make Derry's 15 come championship time?
I think yes....always rated him highly. Was playing some great football last year before getting injured.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 27, 2012, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 27, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Derry team
1 Danny Devlin
2 Dermot McBride
3 Liam Morrow
4 Ryan Dillon
5 Gerard O'Kane
6 Brian McCallion
7 Barry McGoldrick
8 James Conway
9 Joe Diver
10 Chrissy McKaigue
11 Mark Lynch
12 Sean Leo McGoldrick
13 Cailean O'Boyle
14 Paddy Bradley
15 Conleith Gilligan
Where did you get this from CB? Didnt see it posted anywhere else.
http://derrygaa.ie/2012/01/power-ni-dr-mckenna-cup-final-derry-team-named/
Good spot! Was on there earlier and didnt see it.
I think Forrester can feel hard done by here.
Also see Patsy Bradley names in the subs! Hopefully he'll play some part too.
He was playing well, hopefully its just trying out differnet options and combinations. If it was on merit from the previous games he would be on. I think its a good side out and Im looking forward to the game.
Wee Neill better outta that for a while. It'll be a beatin match for 10-15mins. He can always come on after that...
Quote from: sheamy on January 27, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
Wee Neill better outta that for a while. It'll be a beatin match for 10-15mins. He can always come on after that...
Aye he doesnt like getting whacked with the clipboards :D
Why was no one marking Mulligan in that game against Fermanaghy.
Derry to win the battle on the field.
Can anyone confirm can you get TG4 in Belfast or can you watch in online or is it blocked like BBC is blocked down south
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
Can anyone confirm can you get TG4 in Belfast or can you watch in online or is it blocked like BBC is blocked down south
I'm in north Belfast and have perfect reception via analogue. Also have it on virgin (channel 877)
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
Can anyone confirm can you get TG4 in Belfast or can you watch in online or is it blocked like BBC is blocked down south
Try it out.
http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html
From Wiki
TG4 On DemandAs of 2011, TG4's Video on Demand (VOD) service is operated by TG4 Player[38]. Previously, the service was supplied by TG4 Beo, this service was launched in 2003 (and more recently in 2010) ahead of most European broadcasters[39]. TG4 Player allows viewers globally to watch TG4 live and watch previously aired programming on demand.
The new service is designed and managed by Nordic telecommunications company TeliaSonera. The relaunched on-demand service will eventually carry interactive subtitling and social interaction platform. According to TG4 the catch-up service has had 2 million downloads over the last 12 months.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
Can anyone confirm can you get TG4 in Belfast or can you watch in online or is it blocked like BBC is blocked down south
You should get it through sky as well if that was an option.
Where are you thinking of watching it Fuzz?
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2012, 02:14:07 PM
Right predictions time....
I'm going to say Derry by 3....with Paddy Bradley doing a few keepy-uppies near the end to keep us all entertained ;)
He'll get another knee injury if he tries that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCT7IfZgByw&feature=player_embedded#!
Let's get ready to rumble!!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
Can anyone confirm can you get TG4 in Belfast or can you watch in online or is it blocked like BBC is blocked down south
E mailed tg4 yesterday and they told me it is available worldwide on the website as well as the O Byrne cup game.
Seriously hung over here - any chance of a link? and what time are we starting at?
Quote from: Puckoon on January 28, 2012, 04:49:41 PM
Seriously hung over here - any chance of a link? and what time are we starting at?
19.30 GMT Puck
and here you go:
http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html
Good man OG.
A night to stay with TG4.
19:15 GAA Beo The Dr McKenna Cup final. Micheal O Domhnaill presents coverage of the tournament's showpiece match, which last year saw Derry claim the title for the 11th time.
21:10 An Aimsir Laithreach National and international weather.
21:15 Dushlan (R) Following business strategist Niall O Muilleoir as he tries to find funding in New York for an Irish wave energy company, straddling the Atlantic and leveraging the goodwill and contacts of Irish America. He also travels home to Ireland for the historic Obama visit.
21:45 Galaxy Quest (1999, Science Fiction) The cast of a cancelled sci-fi series are reduced to a life of conventions and publicity stunts, only to find themselves transported into space for real. Naive aliens have mistaken the show for real life, and needs the crew's help to defend themselves from an evil extraterrestrial warlord. Sci-fi comedy, starring Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver, Alan Rickman and Sam Rockwell.
Jarlath Burns doing a Tyrone with the big beard?
2 minutes to throw in, and no changes to either team
Peter Robinson in attendance!
Derry score the 1st point of the match. A free from Paddy Bradley
QuotePeter Robinson in attendance!
More DUP members than Derry supporters, I would imagine.
Paddy Bradley adds another free for Derry
Mark Lynch scores a point for Derry and they lead by 3. 11 mins gone
Michael Murphy gets Tyrones 1st point
How did Cavanaugh not get booked for that the big tube! Dangerous tackle!
Cracking goal though for Derry. Paddy may get his allstar yet!
Conway sent off for Derry!!
Tyrone 0-01 Derry 1-03. Goal for Paddy Bradley, and James Conway sent off for Derry.
That sending off could be a game changer.
Is there anyone at the game who saw what Conway did?
Colm Cavanagh got a yellow for shouldering a Derry player in the back, and the ref appeared to show him a yellow for his part in the Conway incident, yet he remained on the field?
This is poor stuff!
Tyrone 0-02 Derry 1-04 30 mins gone
When Tyrone kicked the ball, they got their second point.
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 28, 2012, 07:56:25 PM
Colm Cavanagh got a yellow for shouldering a Derry player in the back, and the ref appeared to show him a yellow for his part in the Conway incident, yet he remained on the field?
Nope the ref noted his name the first time but didn't show a yellow (although it was clearly).
Derry are doing ok here even with a man shy. Tyrones tackling is dire they're conceding gets all over the place.
4,715 at it
Some strange decisions going Tyrone's way. Poor final ball costing them. That's ridiculous out of the Derry keeper. Should be gone. Mulligan the key man at the minute.
Half time at the Athletic Grounds:
Tyrone 1-05 Derry 1-05
Ref it's awful for both teams here. McCallion and Dillon look vulnerable here and McMahon just got 2 Derry lads booked by actin the ****.
Tyrones to lose now!
Devlin should have kept that out.
How many Derry players have yellows now? Ref has gone a bit mad giving them out.
He's having a disaster.
Quote from: screenexile on January 28, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Sea The Stars on January 28, 2012, 07:56:25 PM
Colm Cavanagh got a yellow for shouldering a Derry player in the back, and the ref appeared to show him a yellow for his part in the Conway incident, yet he remained on the field?
Nope the ref noted his name the first time but didn't show a yellow (although it was clearly).
Derry are doing ok here even with a man shy. Tyrones tackling is dire they're conceding gets all over the place.
Fair enough. Was sure he flashed a yellow at Cavanagh the first time but if you say he didn't......
It was a lot worse than a lot of other fouls which resulted in yellows.
Quote from: Whishtup on January 28, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
Some strange decisions going Tyrone's way. Poor final ball costing them. That's ridiculous out of the Derry keeper. Should be gone. Mulligan the key man at the minute.
Peter Hughes the main man atm imo. Getting alot of ball.
Why did the referee not send Devlin off. he brought the game into disrepute letting in a goal like that.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 28, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
Cracking goal though for Derry. Paddy may get his allstar yet!
Conway sent off for Derry!!
Bradley already has an all star-2007
f**k off Eoin Mulligan ... Is it any wonder nobody likes Tyrone!
Did the ref give a free to Tyrone for Mulligan's blatant dive there?
Eoin drogba !! WTF !!
That was disgraceful by Mulligan.
Suarez!!
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 28, 2012, 08:35:11 PM
That was disgraceful by Mulligan.
He has to be embarrassed by that
Quote from: RandyDupree on January 28, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 28, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
Some strange decisions going Tyrone's way. Poor final ball costing them. That's ridiculous out of the Derry keeper. Should be gone. Mulligan the key man at the minute.
Peter Hughes the main man atm imo. Getting alot of ball.
What club is he from
Matthew Donnelly adda another point for Tyrone
Tyrone 1-10 Derry 1-06
Mulligan hilarious. Peter Harte not having his best night. Tyrone's tackling poor but bursts of speed are causing Derry problems. Pity for the game that Conway was sent off.
Anyone think Tyrone's hand-passing is dodgy-borderline throws?
i take it peter robinson landed in after the anthem?
Quote from: Whishtup on January 28, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Anyone think Tyrone's hand-passing is dodgy-borderline throws?
Yes but it has been a feature of a lot of games since the controversy of the underhand hand pass.
Only the GAA would have a rule in the rulebook which the referees are told to just ignore.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 28, 2012, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: RandyDupree on January 28, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on January 28, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
Some strange decisions going Tyrone's way. Poor final ball costing them. That's ridiculous out of the Derry keeper. Should be gone. Mulligan the key man at the minute.
Peter Hughes the main man atm imo. Getting alot of ball.
What club is he from
Eskra.
Easily the most inept refereeing performance i've witnessed at county level!
Surely when you see the standard of referee's at present, there's justification for paying them. That way inteliigent football people may then offer their services. At present it takes a clown with no wit to do it!
What is the obsession with shooting from way way out. Thats 4-5 attacks wasted in last 5 min. Add in the easy frees mugsy and SoN have missed...z
Referee is absolutely brutal here. What may have been a half decent game has been completely ruined!
McCarron scores his 2nd point.
Tyrone 1-13 Derry 1-07
I agree about the referee. I'd be a neutral in terms of today's teams but would agree that Derry could feel hard done by a couple of decisions.
Cathal McCarron has impressed consistently throughout the match-otherwise a mediocre performance by all. Mulligan good first half but not showing for the ball at all second half, apart from swallow dive.
Top teams would devour either of these teams. At least Derry have an excuse.
Mccarron has been very impressive , Derry cleaned out in the middle third in the 2md half
Never a penalty that
Thought Cathal McCarron was MOTM. Mickey murphy got the TG4 award somehow!
No complaints about the result. Didn't see the red card incident either but may well have been red. Referee absolutely ket as already covered.
As for Derry well a couple were shown up today. Dillon, McCallion, Conway, Forrester I can't see appearing for the Cship. We need GOK, Skinner, Muldoon back and the sooner the better!
Quote from: tyroneboi on January 28, 2012, 09:09:09 PM
Thought Cathal McCarron was MOTM. Mickey murphy got the TG4 award somehow!
Murphy had a right game I thought,kicked 2 points and won a good few kickouts
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 28, 2012, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on January 28, 2012, 09:09:09 PM
Thought Cathal McCarron was MOTM. Mickey murphy got the TG4 award somehow!
Murphy had a right game I thought,kicked 2 points and won a good few kickouts
Murphy was decent enough but thought McCarron was excellent throughout.
The Kielts will also be an addition to Derry too, no?? Would Tyrone have many players to come back bar Cavanagh?
Looking at tonight's game, you couldn't exactly say the top tier of teams, Dublin, Kildare, Cork, Kerry, Donegal, for example will be fearing wither Derry or Tyrone too much but I get the impression there's more to come from both teams in the months ahead. Somw decisions went against Derry but the ref tried to make up for it by giving a penalty at the end. Tyrone far from clinical when shooting, could have been worse for Derry had Tyrone been more potent up front.
Quote from: screenexile on January 28, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
No complaints about the result. Didn't see the red card incident either but may well have been red. Referee absolutely ket as already covered.
As for Derry well a couple were shown up today. Dillon, McCallion, Conway, Forrester I can't see appearing for the Cship. We need GOK, Skinner, Muldoon back and the sooner the better!
Agreed. SL McGoldrick was prob derrys best player. McCarron and matthew donnelly very good for tyrone. How mulligan keeps fooling the refs with those dives is incredible. Brennan will learn a lot from tonight. There was a really obvious difference in the forward play whcih made tyrone much more threatening. Tyrone forwards always get turned or half turned allowing them to play the ball forward or at least sideways. Derry forwards consistently play the ball backwards which completely slows the move down. Also, sorry to say it but devlin was v poor tonight and not just for the goal.
I would not be discouraged in any way after that. The game can be dismissed.
We started extremely well and the new defensive system was effective. The sending off along with countless soft free's given to Tyrone handed them the initiative .
I would credit all our players for not losing the heads and becoming indisciplined.
Excellent game for McCarron tonight, probably the pick of the bunch for me.
Justin McMahon is a pale shadow of his former self and has been for a year or more but hopefully he will improve as the year goes on, you could say its early in the year etc but given Tyrone have been training flat out for a good few months at this stage you would think his fitness would be ok.
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 28, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Justin McMahon is a pale shadow of his former self and has been for a year or more but hopefully he will improve as the year goes on, you could say its early in the year etc but given Tyrone have been training flat out for a good few months at this stage you would think his fitness would be ok.
A good few months? Beginning of January my good friend ;)
Decent enough game for the time of year. I don't know why people are expecting a polished Tyrone and Derry side, it's a long way off that yet. It's about getting good, competitive football under their belts and into a winning frame of mind.
Tyrone are a little further along the path in the regard than Derry, judging by tonight's game. Some might say that Derry had it all to do, being a man down, but I still believe Tyrone would still have won. That said, I don't know how Cavanagh didn't get a yellow for that awful tackle and I can't understand how Conway got a red card.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 28, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 28, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Justin McMahon is a pale shadow of his former self and has been for a year or more but hopefully he will improve as the year goes on, you could say its early in the year etc but given Tyrone have been training flat out for a good few months at this stage you would think his fitness would be ok.
A good few months? Beginning of January my good friend ;)
Decent enough game for the time of year. I don't know why people are expecting a polished Tyrone and Derry side, it's a long way off that yet. It's about getting good, competitive football under their belts and into a winning frame of mind.
Tyrone are a little further along the path in the regard than Derry, judging by tonight's game. Some might say that Derry had it all to do, being a man down, but I still believe Tyrone would still have won. That said, I don't know how Cavanagh didn't get a yellow for that awful tackle and I can't understand how Conway got a red card.
January 2011 ??? ;)
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 28, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 28, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on January 28, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Justin McMahon is a pale shadow of his former self and has been for a year or more but hopefully he will improve as the year goes on, you could say its early in the year etc but given Tyrone have been training flat out for a good few months at this stage you would think his fitness would be ok.
A good few months? Beginning of January my good friend ;)
Decent enough game for the time of year. I don't know why people are expecting a polished Tyrone and Derry side, it's a long way off that yet. It's about getting good, competitive football under their belts and into a winning frame of mind.
Tyrone are a little further along the path in the regard than Derry, judging by tonight's game. Some might say that Derry had it all to do, being a man down, but I still believe Tyrone would still have won. That said, I don't know how Cavanagh didn't get a yellow for that awful tackle and I can't understand how Conway got a red card.
January 2011 ??? ;)
8)
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Quote from: screenexile on January 28, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
No complaints about the result. Didn't see the red card incident either but may well have been red. Referee absolutely ket as already covered.
As for Derry well a couple were shown up today. Dillon, McCallion, Conway, Forrester I can't see appearing for the Cship. We need GOK, Skinner, Muldoon back and the sooner the better!
Add
Devlin
McBride
Morrow
Mccallion
mckaigue
b mcgoldrick
boyle
and all the subs that came on
I have never been impressed with McCarron at full back, but I have to say he stood out tonight, soild defensivly and strong going forward though occasionally he lacked purpose looking for the lay of or sideways pass.
I would like to see him getting another game or so there to see how he would build on tonight.
Decent outing this evening. A bit slow to get going but improved as the game went on. Great games from McCarron, Mattie Donnelly and Murphy. Some nice scores and passages of play.
Will be a big step up next weekend.
9.9/10 for Mugsy's effort in second half. Devlin could do nothing but laugh.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Hope you are never called for jury duty. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on January 28, 2012, 11:09:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 28, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
No complaints about the result. Didn't see the red card incident either but may well have been red. Referee absolutely ket as already covered.
As for Derry well a couple were shown up today. Dillon, McCallion, Conway, Forrester I can't see appearing for the Cship. We need GOK, Skinner, Muldoon back and the sooner the better!
Add
Devlin
McBride
Morrow
Mccallion
mckaigue
b mcgoldrick
boyle
and all the subs that came on
can you name 11 that would replace them?
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2012, 11:14:31 PM
Decent outing this evening. A bit slow to get going but improved as the game went on. Great games from McCarron, Mattie Donnelly and Murphy. Some nice scores and passages of play.
Will be a big step up next weekend.
9.9/10 for Mugsy's effort in second half. Devlin could do nothing but laugh.
You are not serious are you, if you are, no wonder your county is being dragged through the gutter from Donegal to
Cork.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on January 28, 2012, 11:20:23 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 28, 2012, 11:14:31 PM
Decent outing this evening. A bit slow to get going but improved as the game went on. Great games from McCarron, Mattie Donnelly and Murphy. Some nice scores and passages of play.
Will be a big step up next weekend.
9.9/10 for Mugsy's effort in second half. Devlin could do nothing but laugh.
You are not serious are you, if you are, no wonder your county is being dragged through the gutter from Donegal to
Cork.
its hard to know how to be more ashamed for, mulligan for the blatant dive, or the ref for being conned so easily
Never trust a man that dyes his hair.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2012, 11:25:08 PM
Never trust a man that dyes his hair.
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The next Seanie Johnston?
Good performances from the Donnellys, Mulligan, McCarron, Murphy and Harte (after they went down to 14). O'Neill's point out on the left was the score of the day.
Impressive was the workrate from the forwards. Mattie Donnelly covered every blade of grass and confident in possession. Hughes showed a nice composure on the ball.
I'm still not convinced defensively. Quinn was caught napping for Bradley's goal and that'll happen on the big stage. Bradley outfielded 4 defenders in the first half at one stage. McCarron played well almost as a wing forward and looked good on the eye (took his point well) but commits silly fouls on the back foot. An example was Derry's first of the second half when he tugged Gilligan I think.
Harte was tortured by Lynch in the first 20 and only when Derry went down to 14 and Justin kept an eye on Lynch was he able to express himself. I always wanted to see Harte as CHB but a good CHF will put him on the back foot and Tyrone need him on the ball. As a spare man he was gold dust even with the odd misplaced pass. Carlin is Carlin. He fouls but runs his arse off. Colm Cavanagh - the most ungainly looking footballer. Can't tackle, awkward solo. But he has something about him - sort of a less direct version of his brother - played one hell of a pass for one of Murphy's points.
Midfield? Still not part of Mickey's gameplan.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on January 28, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Hope you are never called for jury duty. :D :D :D :D :D :D
And your as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. Happened straight in front of me so I probably had a better view of it than you looking at your TV.
Another thing - Tyrone got away with a lot of blocking off the ball.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on January 28, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Hope you are never called for jury duty. :D :D :D :D :D :D
And your as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. Happened straight in front of me so I probably had a better view of it than you looking at your TV.
I was sitting very close to Peter ;) and the sandwiches weren't bad either.
O'Neill cheers for the well-balanced report. IPersonally I'd never have Peter Harte anywhere but play-making/attacking but can see why Mickey is trying him out at CHB cos for Errigal he covers every blade of grass and regulalry disposesses in defence and solos the length of the field before popping one over
Peter Robinson looked terrified anytime the camera was on him.
And who could blame him?
Is game repeated or online anywhere?
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
O'Neill cheers for the well-balanced report. IPersonally I'd never have Peter Harte anywhere but play-making/attacking but can see why Mickey is trying him out at CHB cos for Errigal he covers every blade of grass and regulalry disposesses in defence and solos the length of the field before popping one over
It's a real tough one. I know what you mean by his ability to do everything. Maybe I'm too used to thinking about McGeeney, Gormley, Canty etc whereas Harte might well be Tyrone's top scorer this year. If it works this year at CHB it'll be another Mickey masterstroke and redefine a CHB's role.
McKenna Cup final: Tyrone comeback denies Derry
28 January 2012
Tyrone 1-14
Derry 2-8
Tyrone overcame a six point deficit to claim the Power NI McKenna Cup title and reverse last year's final result. The Red Hands looked in severe difficulty after a Paddy Bradley goal on the quarter hour mark helped Derry to a 1-4 to 0-1 advantage. Bradley had opened the scoring and the Oak Leaf side led by three points before the impressive Michael Murphy opened Tyrone's account. Bradley's goal and a point from Mark Lynch had Derry in control but Tyrone finished the half with a flourish, in part thanks to the red card which Derry's James Conway received for a tackle on Colm
Cavanagh.
Peter Harte and Stephen O'Neill with points narrowed the deficit before Eoin Mulligan pounced for a goal to leave just a point between the sides. On the stroke of half time Cathal McCarron levelled the score at 1-5 apiece. Tyrone continued their onslaught on the resumption with points from O'Neill, Matthew Donnelly and Mulligan to move three clear. Conleth Gilligan replied for Derry but with Mickey Harte's men dominating around the middle third, things were looking ominous for Damien Cassidy's charges.
A hat trick of scores from Donnelly together with points from McCarron and Ronan O'Neill saw Tyrone surge 1-14 to 1-7 clear. A late penalty from Caoilean O'Boyle took the bad look off the scoreline for Derry, but there was no doubt that Tyrone were worthy winners.
Tyrone - J Devine, A McCrory, Justin McMahon, PJ Quinn, C McCarron (0-2), PnHarte (0-1), D Carlin (0-1), M Murphy (0-2), C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly (0-3), P Hughes, M Penrose, O Mulligan (1-1), Mark Donnelly (0-1), Stephen O'Neill (0-2). Subs - Joe McMahon for Cavanagh, J Lafferty for Penrose, Sean O'Neill for Justin McMahon, S McNulty for Murphy, R O'Neill (0-1) for Stephen O'Neill.
Derry - J Devlin, D McBride, L Morrow, R Dillon, G O'Kane, B McCallion, SL McGoldrick (0-1), JConway, J Diver, C McKaigue, M Lynch (0-2), B McGoldrick, C O'Boyle (1-0), Bradley (1-2), Gilligan (0-3). Subs - N Forrester for O'Kane, KO'Neill for Forrester, PJ McCluskey for Diver, M Craig for R Dillon, E Lynn for Gilligan.
Ref - M Higgins (Fermanagh).
http://www.hoganstand.com/tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=161061
Damien Cassidy's charges ::)
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McCarron missed that photo as he was using the straighteners.
Have to say the old edge is gone from Tyrone v Derry since when Peter & co with only 13 men on the field were handing out a beating to the AI medal holders !!
The funniest moment of the night: In the last 10 minutes Mugsy had the ball out on the right. He performed his trademark dummy. The Derry no.9 (Diver) fell for it so badly he ended up on his hole, arse over tit, after an extremely embarrassing slow-motion fall. This was the same lad who fell for Mugsy's dummy for the goal and almost ended up in the crowd.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2012, 11:49:26 PM
O'Neill cheers for the well-balanced report. IPersonally I'd never have Peter Harte anywhere but play-making/attacking but can see why Mickey is trying him out at CHB cos for Errigal he covers every blade of grass and regulalry disposesses in defence and solos the length of the field before popping one over
Must say I enjoy O'Neill's late night match reports as he usually gives a considered view, providing more light than than heat which is what you get from the early evening kneejerk reports.
Marty, Aogan,Petey, Padraig and Archbishop Brady in the front row - they'd have some stories to tell between them.
Should be good for one of those question and answer nights.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 28, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
Decent enough game for the time of year. I don't know why people are expecting a polished Tyrone and Derry side, it's a long way off that yet. It's about getting good, competitive football under their belts and into a winning frame of mind.
What Ziggy said was the most insightful. Means feck all if Kildare bate us out the gate next weekend.
What's going on with Jarlath's beard?!
Colm Cavanagh wouldn't have picked up that injury, if the ref had sent him off, as he should have done.
The game turned on the red card last night,Derry couldn't cope with the spare man at all.I didn't see what the red was for so can't say if it was harsh or not.
McCarron was the pick of the bunch for me with Murphy and Mattie Donnelly also impressing.It's always nice to beat them Derry wans but looking at the bigger picture i think Tyrone are going to struggle against the top teams this year.
Is Gormley back for the league?
McMahon's introduction was as important as the sending off. Added greater physicality to Tyrone. Great to see Paddy Bradley recover so well; he was on fire early on but the supply dried up and he couldnt get onto the ball in the second half.
Tyrone won't be too far off the pace. Nor Derry.
Be a bit worried for Derry's mentality; Tyrone look a tighter, more united outfit. Derry lost their way, leaders were lacking and just though the body language of players being subbed was indicative of individualism. 'Taking me off?'
Derry fans seem to be taking this defeat badly :D it is the McKenna cup FFS. Get over it and look forward to the league. I'm looking forward to the double header in croke next weekend.
2 broken ribs he has.
Nearly fell off the treadmill in the gym this morning after seeing GAA on the telly here. It was a news piece on Robinson going to the game. Pity they hardly showed any of the game. They showed a few dull moments but there you go.
Good to see some progress on that front.
Quote from: Blue and White on January 29, 2012, 11:14:38 AM
I think last nights final was a bit of a damp squib, totally ruined by an inept referee. Derry were looking good in the first 20 minutes, winning alot of ball at midfield, solid in defence and kicking some good scores. Obviously the big turning point was the sending off but gerard o'kane going off before that was a big blow. Not sure what his injury was but he took a very cynical knee to the head 5 minutes before it and tyrone were definitly targetting him. O'Kane was playing very well. Cavanagh should have got at least a yellow for the late shoulder charge to the back of Mc Callion (i think). On the sending off, there was nothing in it, happened straight in front of me and both players were niggling at each other. The linesman watched it the whole time from about 10 yards away and when Cavanagh hit the ground, the linesman shook his head and told him to get up. It was the linesman on the far side of the pitch who made the call to send conway off. Poor refereeing imo. Cavanagh I think was embarassed by it all, from the resulting free kick he fell twice and decided to stay down the third time. Havnt heard much about his injury but he cried wolf a few times too many to deserve sympathy and out of embarassment I think he took the decision himself to stay down.
This ruined the game and it must have been awful to watch on TV. Derry put O'Boyle to midfield but I wish they had brought on a midfielder and kept O'Boyle where he was at. After the derry goal i could see brennan telling the derry midfield to put the ball in high on top of him as Tyrone looked vulnerable. Unfortunately we didnt get the chance after the sending off. Would have loved to have seen Patsy coming on.
All in all a good McKenna cup for derr, Morrow looked good and up until the sending off the defence seemed able to cope, though we couldnt get men back quick enough as the game wore on and this meant that Dillon was left isolated on O'neill alot. Add in the kielts, muldoon, skinner and decky mullan and we might get a good run in the league!!
:D :D
Were you even at the game? After the sending off Bradley decided to push him down, can even be seen on the TV coverage. Then with the incident where he got injured, him and McGoldrick were both going for the ball, got tangled up and was accidental that McGoldrick's foot came in contact with Cavanagh's chest as both were falling. Again this can be seen by the TV coverage. He hardly saved himself the "embarrassment" by staying down pretending to be injured.
thats a blow for cavanagh if he does have two broken ribs - thats gona keep him out for a few weeks/months? Anyone know how long the normal recovery period is for that sort of injury? He had been improving this season - has had a few good spells in the McKEnna cup run...will need him in the league campaign
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on January 29, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
No sign of Iris though. The Ulster U21 final is more her thing I reckon.
Boom boom... :D
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2012, 11:52:10 PM
Is game repeated or online anywhere?
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It doesn't seem to show the second half though
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 29, 2012, 02:48:49 PM
thats a blow for cavanagh if he does have two broken ribs - thats gona keep him out for a few weeks/months? Anyone know how long the normal recovery period is for that sort of injury? He had been improving this season - has had a few good spells in the McKEnna cup run...will need him in the league campaign
6-8 weeks I would guess.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 29, 2012, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Blue and White on January 29, 2012, 11:14:38 AM
I think last nights final was a bit of a damp squib, totally ruined by an inept referee. Derry were looking good in the first 20 minutes, winning alot of ball at midfield, solid in defence and kicking some good scores. Obviously the big turning point was the sending off but gerard o'kane going off before that was a big blow. Not sure what his injury was but he took a very cynical knee to the head 5 minutes before it and tyrone were definitly targetting him. O'Kane was playing very well. Cavanagh should have got at least a yellow for the late shoulder charge to the back of Mc Callion (i think). On the sending off, there was nothing in it, happened straight in front of me and both players were niggling at each other. The linesman watched it the whole time from about 10 yards away and when Cavanagh hit the ground, the linesman shook his head and told him to get up. It was the linesman on the far side of the pitch who made the call to send conway off. Poor refereeing imo. Cavanagh I think was embarassed by it all, from the resulting free kick he fell twice and decided to stay down the third time. Havnt heard much about his injury but he cried wolf a few times too many to deserve sympathy and out of embarassment I think he took the decision himself to stay down.
This ruined the game and it must have been awful to watch on TV. Derry put O'Boyle to midfield but I wish they had brought on a midfielder and kept O'Boyle where he was at. After the derry goal i could see brennan telling the derry midfield to put the ball in high on top of him as Tyrone looked vulnerable. Unfortunately we didnt get the chance after the sending off. Would have loved to have seen Patsy coming on.
All in all a good McKenna cup for derr, Morrow looked good and up until the sending off the defence seemed able to cope, though we couldnt get men back quick enough as the game wore on and this meant that Dillon was left isolated on O'neill alot. Add in the kielts, muldoon, skinner and decky mullan and we might get a good run in the league!!
:D :D
Were you even at the game? After the sending off Bradley decided to push him down, can even be seen on the TV coverage. Then with the incident where he got injured, him and McGoldrick were both going for the ball, got tangled up and was accidental that McGoldrick's foot came in contact with Cavanagh's chest as both were falling. Again this can be seen by the TV coverage. He hardly saved himself the "embarrassment" by staying down pretending to be injured.
I'd say it was more out of fear than embarassmet ... like his brother he's fairlly good at crying
sure they will meet again in the league for the next episode. I think Derry should appeal the James Conway red card unfortunately his reputation doesn't do him any favours
Quote from: ONeill on January 28, 2012, 11:32:16 PM
Good performances from the Donnellys, Mulligan, McCarron, Murphy and Harte (after they went down to 14). O'Neill's point out on the left was the score of the day.
Impressive was the workrate from the forwards. Mattie Donnelly covered every blade of grass and confident in possession. Hughes showed a nice composure on the ball.
I'm still not convinced defensively. Quinn was caught napping for Bradley's goal and that'll happen on the big stage. Bradley outfielded 4 defenders in the first half at one stage. McCarron played well almost as a wing forward and looked good on the eye (took his point well) but commits silly fouls on the back foot. An example was Derry's first of the second half when he tugged Gilligan I think.
Harte was tortured by Lynch in the first 20 and only when Derry went down to 14 and Justin kept an eye on Lynch was he able to express himself. I always wanted to see Harte as CHB but a good CHF will put him on the back foot and Tyrone need him on the ball. As a spare man he was gold dust even with the odd misplaced pass. Carlin is Carlin. He fouls but runs his arse off. Colm Cavanagh - the most ungainly looking footballer. Can't tackle, awkward solo. But he has something about him - sort of a less direct version of his brother - played one hell of a pass for one of Murphy's points.
Midfield? Still not part of Mickey's gameplan.
Add to that a complete cheat! He got Conway sent off for pulling his jersey, and rolled around holding his face! Hope this isnt a trend that Tyrone are reintroducing to their game! ::)
McCarron, Quinn, Donnelly, Murphy were the pick of the Tyrone players and they are all new faces which is a major plus for them! As for Derry they seemed to lack leadership and drive after OKane went off and Conway was away, Cant see them coming out of 2 this year.
Quote from: thejuice on January 29, 2012, 01:43:58 PM
Nearly fell off the treadmill in the gym this morning after seeing GAA on the telly here. It was a news piece on Robinson going to the game. Pity they hardly showed any of the game. They showed a few dull moments but there you go.
Good to see some progress on that front.
Thank God they showed little of the game, it was dire!
It is time for us in Ulster to shake off the siege mentality that has gripped not only our notion of how we are perceived eslewhere, but also the dead-hand negativity that we have brought ot the game of gaelic football in recent years, initailly by Armagh, and, more profoundly by Tyrone - even lately being adopted by tradtional football teams like Donegal and Down.
Never mind the quality, feel the width of the outdoor basketball we have become.
It is a perverse version of the game, supported by flawed ideology from UUJ and similar establishments _ and vested interests with their "coaching" mantra - it is a pathetic spectacle as the bore-fest n TG4 showed last night.
If it was not for our "county" tribalism who would ever go out of a cold night to watch such anti-joy (and often spiteful) nonesense?
THe big issue in GAA should not be ppayment to managers but the whole question of the calibre of managers and coaches.
We are being sold a pup and it doesn't even bark.
Very interesting post there Leo and whilst we've benefited from three All-Irelands mainly because of it then you can see why other managers like McGuinness take it and build on it.
A lad told me about 5 years ago, he's fed up with the win at all costs attitude and the game has become ugly, cynical and downright not entertaining. I didn't get to see the match live last night but from what I heard it wasn't exactly a clean game.
A lot of bad feeling but I suppose we know these two teams love each other. I wonder did Robinson feel disappointed there wasn't more sledging?
Did anyone see why did the Derry keeper and FB react so badly to big Joey. Joey seemed to go in mouthing off to the keeper. Was there words said before that I wonder.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2012, 10:44:41 PM
Very interesting post there Leo and whilst we've benefited from three All-Irelands mainly because of it then you can see why other managers like McGuinness take it and build on it.
A lad told me about 5 years ago, he's fed up with the win at all costs attitude and the game has become ugly, cynical and downright not entertaining. I didn't get to see the match live last night but from what I heard it wasn't exactly a clean game.
A lot of bad feeling but I suppose we know these two teams love each other. I wonder did Robinson feel disappointed there wasn't more sledging?
Did anyone see why did the Derry keeper and FB react so badly to big Joey. Joey seemed to go in mouthing off to the keeper. Was there words said before that I wonder.
McMahon ran in and roared in his face after he let a very tame shot beat him at the near post. There was no need for it at all and nothing that had went before hand to warrant it. Never had McMahon down as that "sort" before.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Your either a liar or blind, which is it? Conway and Cavanagh where pushing at each other. Cavanagh jabbed Conway who jabbed him back. Never a sending off. Cavanagh lay down to get Conway sent off.
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 29, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Your either a liar or blind, which is it? Conway and Cavanagh where pushing at each other. Cavanagh jabbed Conway who jabbed him back. Never a sending off. Cavanagh lay down to get Conway sent off.
I must have been seeing things then that happened about 20 feet in front of me. Must get my eyes checked this week then.
QuoteMcMahon ran in and roared in his face after he let a very tame shot beat him at the near post. There was no need for it at all and nothing that had went before hand to warrant it. Never had McMahon down as that "sort" before.
Maybe Justy was just advising the keeper to go to Weightwatchers?
Quote from: under the bar on January 29, 2012, 11:04:23 PM
QuoteMcMahon ran in and roared in his face after he let a very tame shot beat him at the near post. There was no need for it at all and nothing that had went before hand to warrant it. Never had McMahon down as that "sort" before.
Maybe Justy was just advising the keeper to go to Weightwatchers?
He would need to have been roaring brave and loud.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 29, 2012, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 29, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 28, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
I think Conway got a red for going for Cavanagh's balls. His hand was around there anyway but not sure how much contact their was. Both were niggling at each other before this but Conway can have no complaints. Happened straight in front of the linesman (Brannigan) but he shook his head and referee appeared to be in contact with Hughes on the far side. Less said about the referee the better, was brutal for both sides. Few more Derry men could have got the line.
PJ had another fine game,McCarron was great at half back and maybe unlucky not to get MOTM but Murphy was very good in midfield. Mattie Donnelly had a good 2nd half and Mulligan and O'Neill were very sharp up front.
Your either a liar or blind, which is it? Conway and Cavanagh where pushing at each other. Cavanagh jabbed Conway who jabbed him back. Never a sending off. Cavanagh lay down to get Conway sent off.
I must have been seeing things then that happened about 20 feet in front of me. Must get my eyes checked this week then.
McCanney's Opticans in Omagh. Rosa is a nice girl and will sort you out. I hope they always give you the stupid end of the measuring tape as well.
All water under the bridge now OLG.
See you in the USFC! ;)
Quote from: under the bar on January 29, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
All water under the bridge now OLG.
See you in the USFC! ;)
I wouldnt think it. Can't see us doing a big pile this year, same with Tyrone. Would do no harm to have two evenly matched Derry and Tyrone teams going at it again, the Tyrone/Armagh rivalry made us jealous for a while.
Ye're being hard on the teams. It was a nasty game, there was a small bit of stopping runs etc. No belts thrown, no dangerous tackles, maybe one but it was ok for January!
Sending off was wrong. I was possibly nearest spectator. Conway def checked Cavanagh twice, first time near linesman should have flagged it and the second wouldn't have happened. The second was frustrating but harmless. Yellow card max.
Karma intervened then as Cavanagh broke a rib or two almost immediately after in an innocent tangle.
Both teams will be bog players before year is out. Lots of absentees, but Tyrone's newcomers impressed most.
Quote from: ONeill on January 28, 2012, 11:34:33 PM
Another thing - Tyrone got away with a lot of blocking off the ball.
Thought this seemed to be creeping back into the game a fair bit last year after refs had done a great job stamping it out over the few seasons before. Hopefully notice is taken of it and they crack down on it again.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2012, 11:52:10 PM
Is game repeated or online anywhere?
Should be available on the TG4 player for a couple of weeks.
I wonder could we get a lip reading expert to determine what Brennan was saying to the referee when the goof was down injured?
I'm sure it was insightful from the ignorant gulpin!!! ;)
Quote from: Man Marker on January 30, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on January 30, 2012, 02:28:31 PM
I wonder could we get a lip reading expert to determine what Brennan was saying to the referee when the goof was down injured?
I'm sure it was insightful from the ignorant gulpin!!! ;)
Theres quite a few of your lads who say the same thing about him. They didn't rate him at all and v surprised he got a county job
County titles with five different clubs in three different counties. The man obviously knows nothing with that record.
I know a lot of your lads who rate him very highly and are thankful he didn't get the derry county job a number of years ago.
Quote from: sheamy on January 30, 2012, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 30, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on January 30, 2012, 02:28:31 PM
I wonder could we get a lip reading expert to determine what Brennan was saying to the referee when the goof was down injured?
I'm sure it was insightful from the ignorant gulpin!!! ;)
Theres quite a few of your lads who say the same thing about him. They didn't rate him at all and v surprised he got a county job
County titles with five different clubs in three different counties. The man obviously knows nothing with that record.
I know a lot of your lads who rate him very highly and are thankful he didn't get the derry county job a number of years ago.
Thats a great CV, what clubs did he win these 5 titles with?
Quote from: Onion Bag on January 30, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: sheamy on January 30, 2012, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on January 30, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on January 30, 2012, 02:28:31 PM
I wonder could we get a lip reading expert to determine what Brennan was saying to the referee when the goof was down injured?
I'm sure it was insightful from the ignorant gulpin!!! ;)
Theres quite a few of your lads who say the same thing about him. They didn't rate him at all and v surprised he got a county job
County titles with five different clubs in three different counties. The man obviously knows nothing with that record.
I know a lot of your lads who rate him very highly and are thankful he didn't get the derry county job a number of years ago.
Thats a great CV, what clubs did he win these 5 titles with?
Lavey (Derry), Slaughtneil (Derry), Loup (Derry), Cargin (Antrim, won two in a row, one taken away after a row!) and Carrickmore (Tyrone).
Going by that he is wxactly the type of manager the GAA need rid of. Unless of course he did it all for the good of said clubs.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
Going by that he is wxactly the type of manager the GAA need rid of. Unless of course he did it all for the good of said clubs.
I have it on good authority that when he took Cargin, he took f**k all. Dont know about the other clubs, but I would be surpised if it amounted to anything other than legitimate expenses, and all of them speak very highly of him. If you dont know, you would to best not to slander the man.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
Going by that he is wxactly the type of manager the GAA need rid of. Unless of course he did it all for the good of said clubs.
you haven't a clue what you are talking about. I'd go and ask questions within your own club and your own manager status. You'll not find the same motives as what drives John Brennan. I suggest you don't comment on him if you don't know about him.
Quote from: sheamy on January 30, 2012, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
Going by that he is wxactly the type of manager the GAA need rid of. Unless of course he did it all for the good of said clubs.
you haven't a clue what you are talking about. I'd go and ask questions within your own club and your own manager status. You'll not find the same motives as what drives John Brennan. I suggest you don't comment on him if you don't know about him.
Lads take no notice,he just bounces from thread to thread trying to wind people up. Im sure he would tell you his own club man is taking Fermanagh for free
I am not in favour of ANY manager getting any more than expenses. That includes county and club. If Brennan did not get paid then fair play to him, wish there were more like him.
He never took a dime from Carrickmore in the 2 years he was there as well. Its a well know fact that he tried to put money into a training funds. I dont think he needs the money as he would be fairly well off would he not!
EC can you see no benifit from outside managers at all?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
I am not in favour of ANY manager getting any more than expenses. That includes county and club. If Brennan did not get paid then fair play to him, wish there were more like him.
John Brennan has made his opinion of paying managers very clear. Now unless he is an out and out liar his position is very clear. The man loves football and does it for that reason alone.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on January 30, 2012, 04:25:04 PM
He never took a dime from Carrickmore in the 2 years he was there as well. Its a well know fact that he tried to put money into a training funds. I dont think he needs the money as he would be fairly well off would he not!
EC can you see no benifit from outside managers at all?
There is benifit but given the choice, especially when clubs are struggling for money, an internal man in a better option, or indeed a man like Brennan who will work for free. Fair play to him by the way.
The only problem with internal men is he will have his favourites but better than throwing 20K+ at some money grabber.
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 30, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
I am not in favour of ANY manager getting any more than expenses. That includes county and club. If Brennan did not get paid then fair play to him, wish there were more like him.
John Brennan has made his opinion of paying managers very clear. Now unless he is an out and out liar his position is very clear. The man loves football and does it for that reason alone.
Maybe he only takes money off hopeless championship cases like the Tones - he got a big ransom in Kildress so not that I like saying it about anyone - that makes him a liar! :-\
Quote from: sheamy on January 30, 2012, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
Going by that he is wxactly the type of manager the GAA need rid of. Unless of course he did it all for the good of said clubs.
you haven't a clue what you are talking about. I'd go and ask questions within your own club and your own manager status. You'll not find the same motives as what drives John Brennan. I suggest you don't comment on him if you don't know about him.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on February 01, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on January 30, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2012, 03:53:40 PM
I am not in favour of ANY manager getting any more than expenses. That includes county and club. If Brennan did not get paid then fair play to him, wish there were more like him.
John Brennan has made his opinion of paying managers very clear. Now unless he is an out and out liar his position is very clear. The man loves football and does it for that reason alone.
Maybe he only takes money off hopeless championship cases like the Tones - he got a big ransom in Kildress so not that I like saying it about anyone - that makes him a liar! :-\
Oh Dear Sheamy, your bubble is burst, naivety at its best
BY CHRIS MCNULTY
JIM McGuinness stopped short of saying that he was considering withdrawing Donegal from the 2013 Dr McKenna Cup when he addressed Monday night's county committee meeting in Jackson's Hotel.
The Donegal manager was attending the meeting to appraise delegates on the county's season so far – and the Glenties native questioned the value of the McKenna Cup to Donegal having endured a turbulent January in the secondary competition this year.
"The McKenna Cup, looking back, was a negative sort of a campaign for us," said McGuinness.
The manager had previously slammed a number of things that went on in January and it seems, from his comments on Monday night, that he is giving serious consideration to Donegal's participation next year – perhaps seeing more worth in having a month of challenge games.
"There are definitely things we need to look at for next year in relation to making it work for us. The validity of it as well, in relation to the question of if we're getting the benefits out of it, has to be looked at too.
"It is something that we will need to look at in the off-season, but at the moment it's not really working for us.
"We will look at that at the end of the year."
This year, McGuinness had to play in the McKenna Cup without several of his players who were tied to their colleges. The rule where the college teams have first preference on players for these sorts of competitions has been a bone of contention for a lot of county managers, including McGuinness.
Matters came to a head when McGuinness and Niall Moyna, the DCU manager, clashed publicly over the availability of Martin McElhinney. McGuinness became incensed when Moyna accused McGuinness of 'abusing' the player after he returned to DCU with an injury sustained while attending a challenge game.
It appears that, once the 2012 Championship is done and dusted, that McGuinness will weigh up his options regarding Donegal's participation in 2013 – with a likely scenario possibly seeing the McKenna Cup used as a preparatory exercise for the county U21 team with the seniors fielding in challenge games during January as a warm-up for the National League.
In relation to this year's League campaign, the Donegal boss said he felt they had a positive campaign.
"We tried out a few things in the League with a view to the Championship and we worked on a lot.
"We lost a few games in the process of doing that and we won a few as well. Thankfully we were able to stay up at the end of that transition.
"We are happy we done that – and we're happy we done it when it counted in competitive games. We got the answers that we were looking for in a lot of cases."
And on the championship exploits so far, McGuinness was delighted at leading the county back into the Ulster final.
"Things that we worked on in the League we implemented properly against Cavan and Derry, which took us into the last day against Tyrone," he said.
"Tyrone gave us a huge challenge and it was a huge test of character for us. This is something we have been building on for the last 18 months and we were delighted to get through it.
"We were pinned to our collars in the first-half and Tyrone asked serious questions of us. We were able to pull through, which was brilliant."
McGuinness paid tribute to the county board for their assistance while he also thanked those clubs who have provided their facilities for training and preparation.
http://donegalnews.com/2012/07/07/mcguinness-set-to-assess-mckenna-cup-entry/
Mc Kenna Cup 2013
Group A:
St Mary's
Fermanagh
Donegal
Monaghan
Group B:
Queen's University
Armagh
Cavan
Down
Group C
Jordanstown
Tyrone
Derry
Antrim
Tyrone and Derry to meet again in McKenna Cup
12 October 2012
The Tyrone team which won the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup with a 1-14 to 2-8 final win over Derry ©INPHO/William Cherry
Holders Tyrone and Derry are in the same group for the 2013 McKenna Cup.
The neighbours, who faced off in this year's decider, have been pitted together in Group C, alongside Antrim and Jordanstown.
The draw was made last night for the Ulster subsidiary intercounty competition, which takes place in January.
All-Ireland champions Donegal are up against Fermanagh, Monaghan and St Mary's in Group A.
In Group B, Armagh, Cavan and Down are joined by Queen's.
The draw has also been made for the Ulster U21 FC, with Fermanagh and Armagh starting off in the dreaded preliminary round and the familair sight of Tyrone V Donegal.
Dr McKenna Cup:
Group A: St Mary's, Fermanagh, Donegal, Monaghan
Group B: Queen's, Armagh, Cavan, Down
Group C: Jordanstown, Tyrone, Derry, Antrim
Ulster U21 FC:
Preliminary round: Fermanagh v Armagh
First round: Tyrone v Donegal; Antrim v Derry; Cavan v Monaghan; Down v Fermanagh or Armagh
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=179089
Monaghan's thoughts on the McKenna Cup
Dr. McKenna Cup groupigns
18 October 2012
MC KENNA CUP GROUPINGS DECIDED.
The Dr. McKenna Cup competition for 2013 will again include the three University teams, St Mary's, Queens University and UUJ. When the draws were made at a recent meeting of the Competitions Control Committee of the Ulster Council Monaghan came out in Group A along with Donegal, Fermanagh and St Mary's. Group B is made up of Armagh, Cavan, Down and Queens University while Group C has Antrim, Derry, Tyrone and UUJ. The dates, venues and times for the various rounds of matches have yet to be decided but the regulation whereby the college teams travel to the various counties still pertains. It is a little unclear at this moment in time though as to how Group A will pan out as certain soundings emanating from Donegal would indicate that they may opt out of the competition or perhaps use it to blood new players and get their U21 team ready. Donegal manager Jim McGuinness is not a big fan of pre-season tournaments and is also opposed to the regulation that colleges have first choice on players. The competition is due to start on January 6th at which stage the Donegal team will be abroad on their team holiday as they depart these shores sometime around the 28th/29th of December.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=179458
Fermanagh to meet Rory, Sam and Malachy in McKenna Cup
Fermanagh will come up against Jim McGuinness and Rory Gallagher as they have been paired with All-Ireland champions Donegal in the McKenna Cup. This year's Dr. McKenna Cup will be a bit of an old boys' reunion for Fermanagh as they have been paired wiith All-Ireland champions Donegal and Monaghan.
Fermanagh will face All-Ireland champions Donegal in January after the draw which was made on Thursday evening placed Fermanagh in Group A with St. Mary's making up the quartet.
Donegal of course have former Fermanagh player Rory Gallagher as assistant boos while Monaghan will be managed by Malachy O'Rourke who is starting his competitive reign as Farney boss in the McKenna Cup.
It is then a tough group for Peter Canavan's side but one in which he is sure to get competitive games as he prepares for the onstart of the league and a difficult Division Three campaign in which Fermanagh will again come up against Monaghan.
http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2012/10/12/398371-fermanagh-to-meet-rory-sam-and-malachy-in-mckenna-cup/
Anyone know when the Ulster Minor league starts? are the fixtures out yet?
I see the McKenna Cup season ticket available, but have the fixtures been announced yet?
dont waste your money on a season ticket. many of the players wont be on the first 30 of the county come the summer mths never mind the first 15
Off course a lot of the players won't end up playing in the championship but its always interesting to see how good club players do when they step up a level. It also gives you a chance to see what players might make the break through later in the year. It can produce some decent games. £20 isn't bad especially if your county plays 5 games which Tyrone have done regularly in recent years. Assume the fixtures will soon be announced.
Having won it last year I hear Tyrone will be looking for a crisp start again this year
Season Ticket Now Available
Following the tremendous success of the inaugural Power NI Dr McKenna Cup Season Tickets in 2012, Ulster GAA are once again offering supporters the chance to make huge savings in 2013.
Limited Edition Season Tickets are priced at £20/€25 and will permit you access to Round 1, Round 2 & Round 3 Games involving your team, ALL Semi Finals and the Final in the 2013 Power NI Dr McKenna Cup... that's a potential saving of over 60%!
Group A: St Marys, Fermanagh, Donegal, Monaghan
Group B: QUB, Armagh, Cavan, Down
Group C: UUJ, Antrim, Derry, Tyrone
Semi Finals:
Group A Winners v Group B Winners
Group C Winners v Best Runner Up
Fixtures
Round 1: Sunday 6th January
Round 2: 13th January
Round 3: Wednesday 16th January
Semi Finals: Sunday 20th January
Final: Saturday 26th January
To order, call (028) 3752 1900 or email tickets.ulster@gaa.ie
The official launch of the 2013 Power NI Dr McKenna Cup will take place on Thursday 6th December.
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Are the fixtures available yet?
Ulster Colleges may withdraw from McKenna Cup
22 November 2012
A number of Ulster Colleges could pull out of the Dr McKenna Cup, if their county players are not made available to them.
The likes of Tyrone and Armagh have stated that the want their full squads for the early season tournament, while other counties are believed to considering the same.
Before this Colleges had first pick on county players, but Ulster counties are now demanding a change, which could lead to a problem for the Ulster Council.
According to Gaelic Life, Queen's UUJ and St Mary's are all considering the possibility of withdrawing from the competition.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=181341
CJ wants a break
22 November 2012
CJ McGourty is planning on taking an extended break from football following St. Gall's exit from the AIB Ulster SFC last Sunday.
In what will come as a blow to new Antrim football boss Frank Dawson, the talented forward has revealed that he is taking a "three or four-month" break from the game to recover from an on-going hip injury. He is also toying with the idea of going travel in 2013, which means he may not be available to the county side at any stage next season.
"The hip is still giving me a good bit of trouble. I know I'm not alone on this, but I definitely feel as if I need three or four months off," he is quoted as saying in the Irish News.
"I don't particularly want to play in the McKenna Cup - that's no disrespect to the competition - but I broke my leg in it (playing for UUJ) last year and I injured my hip in it the previous year. I think playing at that time of year would do more damage to my hip than good. Plus, it would give me a break. I definitely need a few months off.
"I'll decide between now and Christmas what I'm going to do. There is also the option of travelling, so I might go away for a few months.
"I've just finished my Masters (in sports management), but there are no jobs at the minute. So there are a number of factors. Now might be the time to travel because of the injury."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=181375
Was watching him against kilcoo and to be honest he isn't turning into top class county standard forward that was predicted by some. Too easy to handle by a strong corner back. Pollock never gets much praise but I'd as soon have him out of the st gall's full forward line in the county panel. But no doubt the Irish News will give him an unearned splash.
whats the word on the universities - are they staying or going?
Would be a shame if they pulled out - no point them playing if they cannot get access to their county players...and to be honest it makes sense for the counties to let their student players stay with their colleges...that way Tyrone can field 15, and have maybe 7-8 others playing at the same time...no better way to have a look at 20+ players in a more competitive environment than say a trial set up.
That said i can appreciate that Canavan, MCCartan and Harte in particular wnat to make plans from the start without interuption. Hard call from the Ulster Council - lets see if they have the balls to make the right decision...whatever that is!!!
Tyrone boss Harte rings changes for 2013 squad
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has heralded a new era for the county, confirming a major overhaul of his squad and the departure of 11 established players. Fourteen new faces are in the 2013 squad.
Only five members of the 2003 All-Ireland title-winning squad remain. They are Stephen O'Neill, Conor Gormley, Sean Cavanagh, Pascal McConnell and Dermot Carlin.
Niall Morgan of Edendork would appear to be a ready-made replacement for goalkeeper Devine, bringing a Stephen Cluxton-style asset with his ability to kick points from long range free kicks. The leading scorer in Tyrone's Division One, Conor McAliskey of Clonoe, is another recruit, as is Coalisland midfielder Plunkett Kane. Ardboe's McGuigan clan will continue to be represented, with Brian's younger brother Shea given his opportunity to step up to the inter-county scene.
Harte revealed last week that he had his eye on a number of players from his own club Errigal Ciaran, and he has included three - Ciaran McGinley, Tommy Canavan and Stefan Tierney.
Omagh pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney have also received call-ups, as have Danny McBride of Strabane, Kevin Gallagher (Newtownstewart), Dean McNally (Kildress), Sean Warnock (Greencastle) and Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher).
Tyrone squad:
Pascal McConnell (Newtonstewart),
Aidan McCrory (Errigal Ciaran),
Conor Clarke (Omagh),
Cathal McCarron (Dromore),
Mickey Murphy (Galbally),
Mark Donnelly (Carrickmore),
Colm Cavanagh (Moy),
Conor Gormley (Carrickmore),
PJ Quinn (Moortown),
Mattie Donnelly (Trillick),
Joe McMahon (Omagh),
Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran),
Johnny Lafferty (Urney),
Paddy McNeice (Coalisland),
Ronan McNabb (Dromore),
Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher),
Martin Penrose (Carrickmore),
Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael),
Darren McCurry (Edendork),
Ronan McNamee (Aghyaran),
Ronan O'Neill (Omagh),
Justin McMahon (Omagh),
Kyle Coney (Ardboe),
Sean Cavanagh (Moy),
Stephen McNulty (Clonoe),
Conan Grugan (Omagh),
Barry Tierney (Omagh),
Plunkett Kane (Coalisland),
Ciaran McGinley (Errigal Ciaran),
Danny McBride (Strabane),
Kevin Gallagher (Newtownstewart),
Conor McAliskey (Clonoe),
Dean McNally (Kildress),
Niall Morgan (Edendork),
Stefan Tierney (Errigal Ciaran),
Tommy Canavan (Errigal Ciaran),
Shea McGuigan (Ardboe),
Sean Warnock (Greencastle),
Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher).
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on November 29, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
whats the word on the universities - are they staying or going?
Would be a shame if they pulled out - no point them playing if they cannot get access to their county players...and to be honest it makes sense for the counties to let their student players stay with their colleges...that way Tyrone can field 15, and have maybe 7-8 others playing at the same time...no better way to have a look at 20+ players in a more competitive environment than say a trial set up.
That said i can appreciate that Canavan, MCCartan and Harte in particular wnat to make plans from the start without interuption. Hard call from the Ulster Council - lets see if they have the balls to make the right decision...whatever that is!!!
Farrell doesn't expect colleges McKenna Cup withdrawal27 November 2012
John Farrell believes college teams are unlikely to withdraw from the McKenna Cup. There are fears that Jordanstown, Queen's and St Mary's could all pull out of Ulster's subsidiary intercounty competition if county teams insist on having first call on their players and speaking in today's Irish News, Farrell - who doubles up as chairman of the Ulster Higher Education Council and president of Jordanstown GFC - notes: "There have been problems in the past, mainly with Tyrone. Last year, there were considerable negotiations with St Mary's to keep them in the competition. "If those three counties took their players, that would be six to seven players from each university / college. That would have serious implications.
"There has to be a balance somewhere or else what would be the point?
"Given that the fixtures are out and given the relationship with the Ulster Council, withdrawal would be a doomsday scenario.
"I'm not saying it's not possible because the universities will say 'What's the sense in putting in a list of 26 players and losing six or seven of them?'"
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=181597
The Tyrone senior manager would like to clarify the current official provisional squad list of 36. This is in no way the final list of names but it is hoped that this list will correct some inaccuracies.
Dermot Carlin, Colm Cavanagh, Sean Cavanagh, Conor Clarke, Kyle Coney, Mark Donnelly, Matthew Donnelly, Kevin Gallagher, Conor Gormley, Conan Grugan, Peter Harte, Jonathan Lafferty, Plunkett Kane, Conor McAliskey, Danny McBride, Tiernan McCann, Cathal McCarron, Pascal McConnell, Darren McCurry, Aidan McCrory, Ciaran McGinley, Ryan McKenna, Joe McMahon, Justin McMahon, Ronan McNabb, Dean McNally, Ronan McNamee, Paddy McNeice, Niall Morgan, Mickey Murphy, Ronan O'Neill, Stephen O'Neill, Martin Penrose, PJ Quinn, Barry Tierney, Sean Warnock
Power NI Dr. McKenna Cup 2013 Fixtures
All Sunday games at 2.00 p.m.
All midweek games at 7.30 p.m.
(Extra time to be played in Semi Finals & Final)
Section A:
Colaiste Naomh Mhuire, Fear Manach, Dún na nGall, Muineachán
Section B:
Ollscoil na Banriona, Ard Mhacha, An Cabhán, An Dún
Section C:
Ollscoil Baile Shurtain, Aontroim, Tír Eoghain, Doíre
—
6th Jan (Sun): Round 1:
Section A
Muineachán v Colaiste Naomh Mhuire at Clones
Section B
Ollscoil na Banriona v Ard Mhacha at Morgan Athletic Grounds
An Cabhán v An Dún at Kingspan Breffni Park
Section C
Ollscoil Baile Shurtain v Aontroim at Casement Park
Tír Eoghain v Doíre at Healy Park
9th Jan (Wed): Round 1: Section A
Fear Manach v Dún na nGall at Brewster Park
—
13th Jan (Sun): Round 2:
Section A
Colaiste Naomh Mhuire v Fear Manach at Brewster Park
Dún na nGall v Muineachán at Pairc MacCumhaill
Section B
Ard Mhacha v An Cabhán at Morgan Atheltic Grounds
An Dún v Ollscoil na Banriona at Pairc Esler
Section C
Aontroim v Tír Eoghain at Casement Park
Doíre v Ollscoil Baile Shurtain at Celtic Park
—
16th Jan (Wed): Round 3:
Section A
Dún na nGall v Colaiste Naomh Mhuire at Pairc MacCumhaill
Muineachán v Fear Manach at Inniskeen
Section B
An Cabhán v Ollscoil na Banriona at Kingspan Breffni Park
An Dún v Ard Mhacha at Pairc Esler
Section C
Tír Eoghain v Ollscoil Baile Shurtain at Healy Park
Doíre v Aontroim at Celtic Park
—
20th Jan (Sun): Semi Finals:
(1) Section A Winners v Section B Winners
(2) Section C Winners v Best Runner Up
26th Jan (Sat): Final: 1 v 2
Queen's could withdraw from McKenna Cup
07 December 2012
Queen's University look set to withdraw from the 2013 McKenna Cup. The Belfast University lost all three of their group matches in this year's competition, where they fielded weakened sides but they will be even weaker next month if - as is being suggested - intercounty teams are given first option on their stars. Such a scenario would leave QUB without nine key men: Armagh trio Ryan Rafferty, Coalan Rafferty and Eugene McVerry, Tyrone pair Sean Warnock and Harry Og Conlan and Fermanagh duo Ryan Jones and Brian Cox as well as Owen Costello and Ryan Mallon (both Down).
Aidan O'Rourke, the GAA development officer at Queen's, tells the BBC: "If we lose six to nine players because we don't get the support of the Ulster Council, then the competition becomes a non-event for us. "We have to ask ourselves what is the point in fielding a quarter strength team against a nearly full-strength county team? "What good will we gain from taking a hammering? We need to seriously consider how we are going to prepare for the Sigerson."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182139
It will be a shame if the University teams have to leave. The Ulster council and the county managers should just let them have their players. Crazy to suggest anything but that.
Fermanagh panel for the McKenna cup. Taken from the Fermanagh website.
Canavan has called up 2 players from the University set up.
Ryan Jones is with Queens and Declan McCusker is with St Mary's.
Not to sure about B Cox. He may still be at Queen's.
Ronan Gallagher ,Niall Bogue ,Shane Lyons ,John Woods, Declan McCusker,Ryan McCluskey,Marty O'Brien,Ryan Jones,James Sherry,Eoin Donnelly,Shane McCabe,Tommy McElroy,Tomas Corrigan ,
Eamon Maguire, Paul Ward,Chris Breen,Anthony McGuinness,Conor Quigley,Brian Cox,Che Cullen,
Lee Cullen,Damian Kelly,Kane Connor,Ryan Hyde,Marty McGrath,Conor McAleer,
Hyland names 26-man panel Cavan Team
12 December 2012
Manager Terry Hyland has announced the Cavan squad for the McKenna Cup competition.
The Breffni County will face Down at home in the opener on January 6.
Cavan McKenna Cup panel: James O'Reilly, Alan O'Mara, Dara Tighe, Rory Dunne, Damien Barkey, Kevin Meehan, Alan Clarke, Damien O'Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan, Tomas Corr, Cian Mackey, Mark McKeever, David Givney, Eugene Keating, Kevin Tierney, Martin Dunne, Michael Brady, Niall Murray, Patrick Carroll, Padraig Reilly, Niall Reilly, Niall McDermott, Oisin O'Connell, James McEnroe, David Hyland, Killian Brady.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182419
There has been a provisional panel of 20 named for Down's McKenna Cup squad. There are 6 spaces stil left to fill.
Chris Duggan (Bosco), Ryan Boyle (Warrenpoint), Ryan Kelly (Longstone), Gerard McAnulty (Liatroim) and Niall Madine (Saval) look to be the new faces involved.
The rest of the squad is made up of McVeigh, O'Hagan, Garvey, B McArdle, Carr, King, Poland, McConville, Coulter, D McCartan, McKernan, Doyle, Rooney, P Turley and D Turley.
Monaghan panel
1 Mark Keogh Seán Mac Diarmada
2 Rory Beggan Scotstown
3 Conor Galligan Monaghan Harps
4 Fintan Kelly Clones
5 Kieran Duffy Latton
6 Ronan Mc Nally Tyholland
7 Owen Coyle Latton
8 Martin Mc Elroy Castleblayney Faughs
9 Karl O'Connell Tyholland
10 Drew Wylie Ballybay
11 Owen Lennon Latton
12 Gerard Mc Ardle Inniskeen
13 Neil Mc Adam Monaghan Harps
14 Stephen Smith Currin
15 Owen Duffy Latton
16 Shane Mc Quillan Ballybay
17 Dick Clerkin Currin
18 Dermot Malone Castleblayney Faughs
19 Kieran Hughes Scotstown
20 Padraig Donaghy Donaghmoyne
21 Thomas O'Neill Ballybay
22 Keith Mc Enaney Corrduff
23 Donal Hahessy Monaghan Harps
24 Matthew Mc Kenna Inniskeen
25 Paul Mc Ardle Doohamlet
26 Conor Mc Manus Clontribret
6 new players from last season - defenders -Owen Coyle , Shane McQuillan, midfielder - Ger McArdle, fowards -Donal Hahessy, Keith McEneaney & Padraig Donaghy
Key players Paul Finlay, Darren Hughes, Tommy Freeman, Vinney Corey & Dessie Mone not included but presumably for inclusion for the league. Colin Walshe captaining DIT in O'Byrne cup, Pete Dooney and Jack McCarron at DCU in O'Byrne Cup.
New look Oak Leaf panel
13 December 2012
New Derry manager Brian McIver will give youth its fling in the upcoming McKenna Cup competition.
The Oak Leaf County will commence their campaign with an away fixture against Tyrone.
Derry McKenna Cup panel:
Eoin McNicholl,
Declan Brown,
Philip Bradley,
Micheal Anderson,
Aidan McAlynn,
Mark Lynch,
Conor McAtamney,
Patsy Bradley,
PJ McCloskey,
Declan Mullan,
Ryan Bell ,
Sean Leo McGoldrick,
Lee Kennedy,
Eoin Bradley,
Raymond Wilkinson,
Thomas Mallon,
Gavin Mallon,
Joe Morgan,
Dermot McBride,
Brian McCallion,
Charlie Kielt,
Enda Lynn,
Colin Devlin,
Barry McGoldrick,
Blaine Gormley,
John McCamley.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182444
Queen's withdraw from McKenna Cup
Queen's University have withdrawn from the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup competition. In a statement issued today, the Belfast college said it was unhappy that a number of county teams have named college players in their squads for the subsidiary competition.
'Queen's University Gaelic Football Club have decided with regret to withdraw from the 2013 Dr McKenna Cup. 'The club were hoping for some resolution to the ongoing issue in relation to the availability of college players to their university, but this hasn't happened.
'Participation at this stage would involve the loss of a significant number of first team players to counties and added to injury and exam pressures, we don't think anyone could expect a university team to play at this level without so many players.
'Furthermore, the prospect of heavy losses would do little for morale and preparation ahead of the Sigerson Cup competition.
We are very disappointed that the competition regulations have not been adhered to. 'It seems clear that some counties refused to restructure their panels in line with Competition Regulations.
At all times we have been open and available to talk and negotiate with the county managers. We are disappointed that this openness to discussion has not been reciprocated by particular counties. '
Like UUJ and St Mary's, we were privileged to be asked to join the McKenna Cup back in 2003. We believe that that decision by Comhairle Uladh rejuvenated the competition and added a new dimension. 'We have enjoyed the experience and we are grateful to the past and present members of Comhairle Uladh. Our participation in the McKenna Cup was good for college football and it played no small part in driving us to Sigerson Cup success in 2007.
'Earning a place in the McKenna Cup final of 2009 was one of the proudest achievements in the history of the club and the university and we do hope to participate again. 'We also believe that our participation (and that of UUJ and St Mary's) was good for intercounty football and the game in general in the province. 'Therefore, we feel that it is a real shame that it has come to this. We believe that a number of counties are being unfair to the colleges, and to Comhairle Uladh and the other counties who have played within the competition regulations.
'They are also being very unfair to the students whom they have selected for their teams and we know that undue pressure has been placed on those students last year and this year to declare for their county. This is not within the spirit of the competition or our games
http://www.hoganstand.com/tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182779
Ulster Council 'disappointed' at Queens' McKenna Cup exit
The Ulster Council have said that they are disappointed that Queens have decided to withdraw from the upcoming McKenna Cup competition. The Belfast college made the announcement this afternoon and the provincial body has confirmed that five players would have been unavailable to Queens as they were called up by their county.
"Comhairle Uladh received correspondence this afternoon from Queens University Belfast confirming that they have withdrawn from the 2013 Power NI Dr McKenna Cup. We are disappointed that this course of action has been taken," said the statement from Ulster Council.
"Comhairle Uladh can confirm that there were five players named on both the Queens University panel and a county panel, with the players being placed in an unfortunate position.
"The Power NI Dr McKenna Cup will commence on Sunday 6th January and we look forward to another competitive event to start the New Year."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182790
McVeigh named in Antrim squad
19 December 2012
Former London captain Sean McVeigh has been included in the Antrim squad for the upcoming McKenna Cup campaign. St Gall's duo Andy McClean and Michael Pollock will also make their return under new manager Frank Dawson. The Herron brothers - Michael and Brendan - and Paddy Cunningham have also been included in the 26-man panel.
Antrim McKenna Cup squad:
1 Kevin O Boyle Clann na hEireann
2 James Lavery Clann na hEireann
3 Justin Crozier Clann na hEireann
4 Tony Scullion Clann na hEireann
5 John Carron Clann na hEireann
6 Michael Mc Cann Clann na hEireann
7 Kieran Close Clann na hEireann
8 Brendan Herron Lamh Dhearg
9 John Finucane Lamh Dhearg
10 Michael Herron Lamh Dhearg
11 Conor Murray Lamh Dhearg
12 Paddy Cunningham Lamh Dhearg
13 Richard Johnson Ciceam Creagan
14 Martin Johnson Ciceam Creagan
15 Dermott Mc Cann Ciceam Creagan
16 Chris Kerr Naomh Gall
17 Kevin Niblock Naomh Gall
18 Michael Pollock Naomh Gall
19 Nial Delargy Mhic Asmaint
20 Dermott Mc Aleese Mhic Asmaint
21 Sean Finch Ui Dhonnabhain Rosa
22 Colm Fleming Ui Dhonnabhain Rosa
23 Sean Mc Veigh Naomh Uile
24 Paul Doherty Ros Earcain
25 Liam Carland Naomh Pol
26 Conal Kelly Naomh Eoin
(http://www.antrimgaa.net/uploads/assets/antrim_mckenna.jpg)
Any idea what will happen now with one group having less teams? Those splendid chaps in the Ulster Council should be hanging their heads in shame at the mess they have made of this.
UUJ and St Mary's remain in McKenna Cup
21 December 2012
UUJ and St Mary's have opted not to withdraw from the 2013 McKenna Cup.
Queen's announced earlier this week that they would not be taking part in the competition, which commences on Sunday week, and it was expected that the other two college sides might follow suit in protest at the expected unavailability of intercounty players. However, these fears have been allayed and it appears that both Jordanstown and St Mary's are prepared to tough it out: "We have been informed by both UUJ and St Mary's that they are fully committed to the McKenna Cup," an Ulster Council spokesman is quoted as saying in today's Belfast Telegraph.
"There is no meeting of the Council scheduled to deal with this matter as things stand but obviously it is disappointing to see Queen's take this course of action."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182849
God bless them.
Burns slams "ridiculous standpoint"
21 December 2012
Jarlath Burns says the "ridiculous standpoint" of some counties is ruining the McKenna Cup.
Queen's University have already pulled out of next month's subsidiary competition up north due to the anticipated unavailability of key players and the former Armagh captain believes that county managers should have left well enough alone: "One county broke ranks - we all know which one," he said in this week's Gaelic Life. "Then, like a herd of sheep, some of the other Ulster counties followed. Fair play to Antrim and Derry, at least they had a bit of sense and have stayed loyal to the format that makes the competition meaningful.
"Coercing college players to line out with their county in a competition that has no real purpose than to get lads out on to a field is a ridiculous standpoint. It puts a wedge between these lads and their universities. "The players are piggy in the middle - torn between their college, their mates and whatever chance they have of playing county football."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182847
Murphy: we can't force players' hands
21 December 2012
Ulster Provincial Secretary Danny Murphy, Ulster President Aogán Ó Fearghail and Ulster PRO Oliver Galligan launch the 2013 Dr McKenna Cup Season Ticket
Secretary Danny Murphy says Ulster Council can't force players not to play for their counties. Queen's have withdrawn from the 2013 McKenna Cup due to their dismay over the prospect of many of their key players declaring for their respective counties in the competition, but Murphy insists that the provincial governing body cannot put a gun to people's heads: "Queen's seem to want us to tell people they cannot play for their counties," he comments in the Irish News. "We cannot force players to play for their universities if they want to play for their counties." The Ulster secretary added that QUB will not be asked to reconsider: "They have made their decision and it would be a pointless exercise. We have an eleven-team tournament now and will go ahead with it."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182871
McIver backs colleges, 100%
21 December 2012
Brian McIver has "no problem" with Derry players representing their colleges in the McKenna Cup.
The subsidiary intercounty provincial competition up north has become embroiled in a colleges versus counties row which led to the withdrawal of Queen's but Derry boss McIver - whose trainer/selector Paddy Tally coaches St Mary's - told The Examiner that he is firmly on the side of the colleges: "I have absolutely no problem with the lads playing for their universities. Look, the McKenna Cup was dead and buried and in came the universities and suddenly it got a new lease of life.
"All of a sudden you are going to say, 'let's go back to the way it was'? I'm 100% behind the universities and have no problem with letting lads play for them. "The McKenna Cup is great at this time of year for getting boys football. "Those lads playing for universities are probably going to get at least three full games and all the lads that I want to get a look at, I will get a look at. If I am really concerned about any of them, I would just send down a selector to watch some of them on a night that we are playing. "As I say, all I want out of the McKenna Cup is to get lads' football and get everyone ready for the national league. That's what it allows you to do."
Derry will have Chrissy McKaigue and Emmett McGuckian on the UUJ team, while Emmett Bradley and Benny Herron will feature for St Mary's. James Kielt and Kevin Johnston had been cleared to play for Queen's.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182851
Has the McKenna Cup now got a higher profile than Sam Maguire?
Have Down named a panel yet? Looking forward to the inter county season starting again and hoping Terry Hylands magic touch can rub of on the Cavan seniors.
Down panel was in the Irish News the other day.I think there's only 20 on it.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 23, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
Has the McKenna Cup now got a higher profile than Sam Maguire?
If you're from an Ulster University this is the pinnacle of your career Tony. Or so I'm told anyway.................
Power NI Dr McKenna Cup 2013 Squad
The Armagh Squad for the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup 2013 tournament that starts on 6th January.
1 Niall Geoghegan Niall Mac Eochagáin Middletown Coillidh Chanannáin
2 Conor McKeown Conchúr Mag Eoghain Shane O'Neills CLG Sheáin Uí Néill
3 Mark Shields Marcas Ó Siail Whitecross An Chrois Bhán
4 Brian Mallon Brian Ó Mealláin Tir na nog Tír na nÓg
5 Niall Rowland Niall Ó Rothláin Culloville Baile Mhic Cullach
6 Finian Moriarty Finnian Ó Muircheartaigh Wolfe Tones Doire Mhic Cais
7 Barry Loughran Barra Ó Luachráin Carrickcruppen Carraig Chrupáin
8 Ciaran McKeever Ciarán Mac Íomhair Cullyhanna Coilleach Eanach
9 Gary McCoey Garaí Ó Cobhaigh Cullyhann Coilleach Eanach
10 Gavin McParland Gabhán Mac Parthaláin Ballymacnab Baile Mhic an Aba
11 Kieran Toner Ciarán Ó Tomhnair Granemore An Ghráinseach Mhór
12 Stephen Harold Stiofán Ó hArailt Carrickcruppe Carraig Chrupáin
13 Peter Carragher Peadar Mac Fhearchair Silverbridge Béal Átha an Airgid
14 Ethan Rafferty Ethan Ó Raifeartaigh Grange An Ghráinseach
15 James Lavery Séamas Ó Labhraí Maghery Machaire
16 John Kingham Seán Ó Coinneáin Culloville Baile Mhic Cullach
17 James Donnelly Séamas Ó Donnaile Killeavy Cill Shléibhe
18 Aidan Forker Aodhán Mac Fearchair Maghery Machaire
19 Stefan Campbell Stiofán Mac Cathmhaoil Clan Na Gael Clann na nGael
20 Niall McConville Niall Mac Conmhaoil St Peters Naomh Peadar
21 Michael Stevenson Mícheál Mac Stiofáin Sarsfields Na Sairséiligh
22 Stefan Forker Stiofán Mac Fearchair Maghery Machaire
23 Caolan Rafferty Caolán Ó Raifeartaigh Granemore An Ghráinseach Mhór
24 Eugene McVerry Eoghan Mac Fearaigh Mullaghbawn An Mullach Bán
25 Declan Carville Déaglán Mac Cearbhaill Carrickcruppen Carraig Chrupáin
26 Sean Clarke Seán Ó Cléirigh Pearse Ogs Na Piarsaigh Óga
Manager: Paul Grimley
Captain: Ciaran McKeever
http://www.armaghgaa.net/football/power-ni-dr-mckenna-cup-2013-squad/
Pete Carragher is in the Armagh squad. Is he the lad that broke his leg in the league game against Down last year? I so I am glad to see him back to county level and wish him all the best
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 01, 2013, 04:41:07 AM
Pete Carragher is in the Armagh squad. Is he the lad that broke his leg in the league game against Down last year? I so I am glad to see him back to county level and wish him all the best
That would be him.
It's great to see Stefan Forker in the panel and hopefully he will take his chance
Would like to congratulate my old Alma Mater on withdrawing from the McKenna Cup. They must be vastly disappointed that the other two Belfast colleges hadn't the balls to do the same.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on January 02, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
Would like to congratulate my old Alma Mater on withdrawing from the McKenna Cup. They must be vastly disappointed that the other two Belfast colleges hadn't the balls to do the same.
Yeah my oul Alma Mater also had balls for not particpating in it, fair play to Magee!!!!!!!!!!!
Anywho.............
McKenna Cup format unchanged despite Queen's withdrawal
The format of the 2013 McKenna will not be changed despite Queen's University's withdrawal from the competition.
There will be two groups of four teams and one of three with the groups winners and one best runners-up going through to the semi-finals.
The team second in the three-team group will not have as good as chance of progressing, after just two matches.
Queen's pulled out after a dispute over the availability of their county players.
MCKENNA CUP 2013
Section A - Donegal, Fermanagh, Monaghan, St Mary's
Section B - Armagh, Cavan, Down
Section C - Antrim, Derry, Tyrone, UUJ
The college teams used to have first call on their players who were also involved with county squad.
But in recent years those students have come under increasing pressure to further their county prospects, rather than represent their university.
The colleges teams - Queen's St Mary's and the University of Ulster at Jordanstown - had argued that they needed their full panels to have any chance of competing against Ulster's nine senior county teams.
They also wanted a full quota of players in the build-up to the Sigerson Cup, an All-Ireland competition which is regarded as a highlight of the college football calendar.
Queen's, who lost all three of their matches in the 2012 McKenna Cup, would have played Armagh, Cavan and Down in this year's competition.
Those counties now make up Section B while Section A contains Donegal, Fermanagh, Monaghan and St Mary's and Section C comprises Derry, Tyrone, Antrim and UUJ.
The Ulster Council revealed that five players included in the Queen's panel for the McKenna Cup had also been named in county squads.
Last month, Council president Aogan Farrell appealed to counties to ensure that the universities teams would have first call on student players in the competition.
Are all the Queen's lads happy they've pulled out?
I reckon some would have seen this as their big chance to impress before Sigerson without the 'big named players'.
From Teamtalkmag.com
Another Injury Problem for Tyrone
Defending champions Tyrone have been dealt a blow with the news that Colm Cavanagh is likely to miss the entire McKenna Cup campaign with a wrist injury. It has come about as the result of a freak accident and the Moy clubman is disappointed that he is going to be on the sidelines.
"I was kicking ball about around home a couple of weeks ago with a few lads and I was in goals and I saved a shot but my wrist bent backwards," said Colm.
"At the time I didn't think it was that bad but then it began to get sore and I went for an x-ray which showed up nothing. It didn't get better so I finished up going to Belfast for an MRI scan which showed that I have picked up a small fracture.
I'm not sure at the moment how long I will be out but it's very frustrating as the McKenna Cup is important and I love playing in it every year. It gives you very valuable match time ahead of the National League and with us being in division one this season it will prove even more valuable.
It will leave me with a bit of catching up to do as I can't be involved in ball drills or even do weights but its just one of those things and I will just have to keep the head down and get on with it."
Cavanagh was one of the stars of last season's McKenna Cup run although he unfortunately cracked ribs in the final win over Derry which ruled him out of the start of the National League campaign. It adds to Tyrone's growing injury list ahead of the start of the new season with Cavanagh's midfield partner in that final win over Derry, Mickey Murphy, also unavailable as he is currently on a months holiday in Australia.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/21004
that old chestnut....
I heard last night Queens have challenge games arranged against Antrim,Cavan and Derry. How have they enough players? Coward management springs to mind.
Why would Derry, Antrim or Cavan want challenge games during the McKenna cup?
Quote from: JUst retired on January 03, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
I heard last night Queens have challenge games arranged against Antrim,Cavan and Derry. How have they enough players? Coward management springs to mind.
Why would they not have enough players. Its only Queens,UUj and St Marys who have the pick of the best players in Ulster. UUJ would be like DCU and they would get the big names, Queens would still have lots of good footballers even if they are missing 6/7.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 03, 2013, 09:18:48 AM
Why would Derry, Antrim or Cavan want challenge games during the McKenna cup?
Derry has a squad of 43, and may have only be a week in the competition.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: JUst retired on January 03, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
I heard last night Queens have challenge games arranged against Antrim,Cavan and Derry. How have they enough players? Coward management springs to mind.
I think queens were trying to make a stand and were hoping for a bit of soliditary from the other universities, the others didn't have the backbone. Even at the time they stated they would always be playing county teams in friendliest anyway.
Why would they not have enough players. Its only Queens,UUj and St Marys who have the pick of the best players in Ulster. UUJ would be like DCU and they would get the big names, Queens would still have lots of good footballers even if they are missing 6/7.
Monaghan team for sunday announced
http://www.monaghangaa.ie/2013/01/03/monaghan-team-v-st-marys/ (http://www.monaghangaa.ie/2013/01/03/monaghan-team-v-st-marys/)
Some new faces getting a run out. I'm particularly interested to see how Fintan Kelly gets on at full back, Paul McArdle at centre forward and Stephen Smith at wing forward. Though I think Smith will switch positions with Dermot Malone who is a more natural wing forward. I'd like to see Gavin Doogan make an appearance from the bench - he'd be ideally suited to a wing back slot.
Queens also have games planned against Louth and Crossmaglen and played St Mary's last Saturday
Does anyone know if Tyrone trained tonight or if a team was named for Sunday? Always interesting to see who's playing especially with so many new faces. As Derry are likely to be the toughest opposition in the group would expect a strong enough team.
Perhaps a delay due to the latest injury news in the camp? Kyle Coney I hear is injured now
Quote from: Winnie Peg on January 02, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
Would like to congratulate my old Alma Mater on withdrawing from the McKenna Cup. They must be vastly disappointed that the other two Belfast colleges hadn't the balls to do the same.
Feck them, they robbed some of their players a chance to play against Ulsters best players, they are gutless wonders!!!
Kyle Coney has injured himself alright,think it's the ankle.
From an Armagh perspective its refreshing to see Johnny Buckley, Fionn Fizgerald and Brian Looney lining out for Kerry this weekend. The hiding away and wrapping in cotton wool of players involved in the latter end of the club championships in recent times has long since puzzled me.
I fail to see the downside of for club players' form, if they are good enough, in competing at the higher level intermittently - particularly so far out from their club fixture.
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 04, 2013, 10:07:19 AM
From an Armagh perspective its refreshing to see Johnny Buckley, Fionn Fizgerald and Brian Looney lining out for Kerry this weekend. The hiding away and wrapping in cotton wool of players involved in the latter end of the club championships in recent times has long since puzzled me.
I fail to see the downside of for club players' form, if they are good enough, in competing at the higher level intermittently - particularly so far out from their club fixture.
Why is it refreshing from an Armagh point of view? Sure its not as if the Cross players are going to be made available for Armagh, and to be honest I can't blame Cross for not releasing them. From an Armagh county team perspective its an annual headache though.
No betting on the tyrone/derry game at the weekend on paddy power ...... do they know something we dont ?
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 04, 2013, 10:07:19 AM
From an Armagh perspective its refreshing to see Johnny Buckley, Fionn Fizgerald and Brian Looney lining out for Kerry this weekend. The hiding away and wrapping in cotton wool of players involved in the latter end of the club championships in recent times has long since puzzled me.
I fail to see the downside of for club players' form, if they are good enough, in competing at the higher level intermittently - particularly so far out from their club fixture.
Why is it refreshing from an Armagh point of view? Sure its not as if the Cross players are going to be made available for Armagh, and to be honest I can't blame Cross for not releasing them. From an Armagh county team perspective its an annual headache though.
I agree with DuffleKing. There is a "rule" that players aren't allowed to play for their club within 13 days of a county match. Why can this "rule" not be used the other way round? What possible harm could it do some of the Cross players to play for Armagh 5 to 6 weeks before their AI semi final? Let them play a couple of McKenna cup matches and let the management see them in the shirt.
Exactly right Mackers. It makes no sense whatsoever to bar players from the county jersey at this time of year. The thirteen day rule should indeed work in reverse here. It is only in relatively recent times that this approach has been taken. Started in Armagh I might add and spread through the country.
And why would they want to risk injury in a crap McKenna cup competition when they have the potential of winning an all-ireland club championship! ::)
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 04, 2013, 11:19:22 AM
Exactly right Mackers. It makes no sense whatsoever to bar players from the county jersey at this time of year. The thirteen day rule should indeed work in reverse here. It is only in relatively recent times that this approach has been taken. Started in Armagh I might add and spread through the country.
I'm not disagreeing with this approach, indeed I too would be happy to see it enforced. However you also know that if it was your club involved and you had the option not to release the players to their county team, then you would be hoping that they would exercise this option. There is a big difference in an all county League game and an All Ireland club semi-final. The bigger problem lies with the fixture scheduling imo, and the 2 1/2 month gap between the provincial club finals and AI club semi finals. Playing off the club series before Christmas would be the sensible option because there is no doubt that it has been a serious handicap to Armagh in particular in the last 4/5 years.
Whats the situation regarding the best runner-up? Is it still the same rule, even with only 3 teams in Group B??? Surely not!?
same rule applies
Quote from: BennyCake on January 04, 2013, 01:27:47 PM
Whats the situation regarding the best runner-up? Is it still the same rule, even with only 3 teams in Group B??? Surely not!?
whoever is in group B needs to win it to qualify
Quote from: Cold tea on January 04, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
And why would they want to risk injury in a crap McKenna cup competition when they have the potential of winning an all-ireland club championship! ::)
To further their chances of getting a starting spot on the Armagh team when the championship comes round, that's why! They risk an injury every time they take to the training pitch.
Quote from: manballandall on January 04, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
No betting on the tyrone/derry game at the weekend on paddy power ...... do they know something we dont ?
What time is the match in omagh at?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 04, 2013, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: manballandall on January 04, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
No betting on the tyrone/derry game at the weekend on paddy power ...... do they know something we dont ?
What time is the match in omagh at?
2pm. betting is up
Tyrone 1/2 v 15/8 Derry.
Has tryone team been named. Derry's team is strong enough now
Quote from: mackers on January 04, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 04, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
And why would they want to risk injury in a crap McKenna cup competition when they have the potential of winning an all-ireland club championship! ::)
To further their chances of getting a starting spot on the Armagh team when the championship comes round, that's why! They risk an injury every time they take to the training pitch.
So if your club was involved in an AI semi final would you be happy to release your players for county challenge matches (McKenna cup)? Crossmaglen will have challenge matches planned over the coming weekends and will want exclusive access to their players to work on formations etc and who could blame them. From an Armagh management point of view this is a serious drawback especially concerning the non-established county panellists who are unproven at this level. Its far from ideal for Armagh but until the fixture calendar changes then I think its reasonable to expect that players main focus during this period will lie with their clubs.
importance of games takes priority which is end of story.
if a county were in ai ireland semi final or final would the player be playin for the club in a tournament game 2 or 3 weeks befor it? course not.
thse saying players shud be playin for armagh at the moment rthr than cros need to examin their sanity.
tough sh1t for armagh
Just on that note I don't see why Armagh don't put forward a motion before congress that the club championships be played up before Christmas. Playing the club championship final almost 4 months after the quarter finals (provincial finals) makes absolutely no sense.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 04, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 04, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
And why would they want to risk injury in a crap McKenna cup competition when they have the potential of winning an all-ireland club championship! ::)
To further their chances of getting a starting spot on the Armagh team when the championship comes round, that's why! They risk an injury every time they take to the training pitch.
So if your club was involved in an AI semi final would you be happy to release your players for county challenge matches (McKenna cup)? Crossmaglen will have challenge matches planned over the coming weekends and will want exclusive access to their players to work on formations etc and who could blame them. From an Armagh management point of view this is a serious drawback especially concerning the non-established county panellists who are unproven at this level. Its far from ideal for Armagh but until the fixture calendar changes then I think its reasonable to expect that players main focus during this period will lie with their clubs.
Up to two weeks before a club championship match county players should be training one night a week with the county, one with the club and alternating who they play in matches for from weekend to weekend.
Club players play all county league games throughout the county league and championship campaigns. club league games are significantly less important
to players with county ambitions than McKenna Cup and National league games.
Whisper it quietly because the majority judge what an individual player's priority should be based on their own preferences, but if you got a quiet word with any county player still involved in the club championship they'd tell you they would like to play an odd county game in January in particular and between All Ireland club semi & final for competitive edge and staying part of the team.
They can't say that out loud of course because they wouldn't be "A Clubman" then and woe betide them if they lose...
Quote from: Mont on January 04, 2013, 02:11:58 PM
importance of games takes priority which is end of story.
if a county were in ai ireland semi final or final would the player be playin for the club in a tournament game 2 or 3 weeks befor it? course not.
thse saying players shud be playin for armagh at the moment rthr than cros need to examin their sanity.
tough sh1t for armagh
Cross players have played in LEAGUE games while still in the AI club before so it's not as if there is no precedent.
Tyrone team for Sunday
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
6 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban
8 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
9 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
11 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
13 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
14 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 – Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 – Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
18 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey – Cluain Eo
20 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Dean McNally – Cill Dhreasa
24 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Sean Warnock – An Caisleán Glas
Quote from: God14 on January 04, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
Tyrone team for Sunday
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
6 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban
8 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
9 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
11 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
13 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
14 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 – Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 – Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
18 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey – Cluain Eo
20 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Dean McNally – Cill Dhreasa
24 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Sean Warnock – An Caisleán Glas
Decent enough team for this time of year. It'll be interesting to see how Tierney,McKenna,McBride and Gallagher get on. Also Clarke in midfield. I'd maybe have liked to see something different in the full back line. We have struggled there in recent years and Carlin is unlikely to start there. Harte is obviously out to add mobility around the middle 8 so the new players here will have to work hard to prove their worth. Will O'Neill be captain for the year?
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 04, 2013, 02:27:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 04, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 04, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
And why would they want to risk injury in a crap McKenna cup competition when they have the potential of winning an all-ireland club championship! ::)
To further their chances of getting a starting spot on the Armagh team when the championship comes round, that's why! They risk an injury every time they take to the training pitch.
So if your club was involved in an AI semi final would you be happy to release your players for county challenge matches (McKenna cup)? Crossmaglen will have challenge matches planned over the coming weekends and will want exclusive access to their players to work on formations etc and who could blame them. From an Armagh management point of view this is a serious drawback especially concerning the non-established county panellists who are unproven at this level. Its far from ideal for Armagh but until the fixture calendar changes then I think its reasonable to expect that players main focus during this period will lie with their clubs.
Up to two weeks before a club championship match county players should be training one night a week with the county, one with the club and alternating who they play in matches for from weekend to weekend.
Club players play all county league games throughout the county league and championship campaigns. club league games are significantly less important to players with county ambitions than McKenna Cup and National league games.
Whisper it quietly because the majority judge what an individual player's priority should be based on their own preferences, but if you got a quiet word with any county player still involved in the club championship they'd tell you they would like to play an odd county game in January in particular and between All Ireland club semi & final for competitive edge and staying part of the team.
They can't say that out loud of course because they wouldn't be "A Clubman" then and woe betide them if they lose...
I would be delighted to see the Cross players released for a McKenna cup game or a national league match if some compromise could be reached between club and county management. However its not realistic to expect it to happen. It worked before when Joe Kernan was managing Armagh because he was a Cross man and was able to negotiate with his own clubmen to gain access to players for League matches.
The problem is that they are on entirely different training agendas, one team attempting to peak for mid February, the other putting in the hard yards trying to peak for early June. If the club feels that they are being inconvenienced by this arrangement or that they are playing challenge matches without a full team then they will restrict player access.
I'm not sure of your sources when stating that club players would prefer to play a McKenna cup game than fine tune preparations for their upcoming AI club semi-final, but I would doubt very much if that rang true and in any case each individual player will have different priorities.
However imo the fixture scheduling is ludicrous with an almost 3 month gap between rounds of the club series. That's where the real problem lies.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 04, 2013, 01:28:16 PM
same rule applies
Quote from: BennyCake on January 04, 2013, 01:27:47 PM
Whats the situation regarding the best runner-up? Is it still the same rule, even with only 3 teams in Group B??? Surely not!?
Well if that's the case, Armagh, Down and Cavan fans should only have to pay half price into games. And those who have bought season tickets, they should get half of it back too.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2013, 04:49:05 PMI would be delighted to see the Cross players released for a McKenna cup game or a national league match if some compromise could be reached between club and county management. However its not realistic to expect it to happen. It worked before when Joe Kernan was managing Armagh because he was a Cross man and was able to negotiate with his own clubmen to gain access to players for League matches.
Kernan wasn't managing Armagh the last time this happened.
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Tyrone team for Sunday
4 UUJ , 4 St Mary's , 1 Queens ????
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc ST MARYS
2 – Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh UUJ
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais UUJ
6 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban ST MARYS
8 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh ST MARYS
9 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
11 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac UUJ
13 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
14 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 – Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 – Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin ST MARYS
18 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey – Cluain Eo UUJ
20 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Dean McNally – Cill Dhreasa UUJ
24 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Sean Warnock – An Caisleán Glas QUB
As far as I'm aware there is another Tyrone lad playing for UCD. Was very dominant against SIT in Novemeber. Their youth policy above in Tyrone looking very healthy indeed. Credit to Harte and Co.
Quote from: stronghold on January 04, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
Tyrone team for Sunday
4 UUJ , 4 St Mary's , 1 Queens ????
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc ST MARYS
2 – Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh UUJ
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais UUJ
6 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban ST MARYS
8 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh ST MARYS
9 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
11 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac UUJ
13 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
14 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 – Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 – Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin ST MARYS
18 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey – Cluain Eo UUJ
20 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Dean McNally – Cill Dhreasa UUJ
24 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Sean Warnock – An Caisleán Glas QUB
I think tiernan McCann studying in Belfast as well? I make it 11 students out of 26!! Staggering contempt of the rules there by Mickey Harte. Can't see UUJ or St Mary's competing in the McKenna next year.
Quote from: stronghold on January 04, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
Tyrone team for Sunday
4 UUJ , 4 St Mary's , 1 Queens ????
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc ST MARYS
2 – Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh UUJ
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais UUJ
6 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban ST MARYS
8 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh ST MARYS
9 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
11 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac UUJ
13 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
14 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 – Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 – Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin ST MARYS
18 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey – Cluain Eo UUJ
20 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Dean McNally – Cill Dhreasa UUJ
24 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Sean Warnock – An Caisleán Glas QUB
Isn't it great to see so many young lads getting the chance to train and play alongside the likes of Gormley,Cavanagh,McMahon,Penrose and O'Neill. Will give them a taste of what its like to play at the highest level. Given the tough nature of division one can't see much experimenting by Tyrone at that stage so this is their chance to prove that they can fit into the Tyrone system and won't let the team down at this level.
How long is Coney out for?
What rules did Harte break God14?
Any word of Tyrone game called off due to tragic death of augher club man?
Doire
1. Eoin McNicholl (Glenullin);
2. Dermot McBride (Ballinascreen) (capt),
3. Ciaran Mullan (Eoghan Rua),
4. Ryan Ferris (Magherafelt);
5. Sean Leo McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua),
6. Mark Lynch (Banagher),
7. Charlie Kielt (Kilrea);
8. PJ McCloskey (Banagher),
9. Patsy Bradley (Slaughtneil);
10. Ryan Bell (Ballinderry),
11. Raymond Wilkinson (Ballinderry),
12. Barry McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua);
13. James Kielt (Kilrea),
14. Lee Kennedy (Kilrea),
15. Eoin Bradley (Glenullin).
16. Thomas Mallon (Loup),
17. Micheál Anderson (Banagher),
18. Philip Bradley (Ballinascreen),
19. Aidan McAlynn (Loup),
20. Brian McCallion (Greenlough),
21. Declan Brown (Bellaghy),
22. Blaine Gormley (Craigbane),
23. Daniel Heavron (Magherafelt),
24. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua),
25. Coilin Devlin (Ballinderry),
26 Enda Lynn (Greenlough).
Tir Eoghain
1 – Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc
2 - Dermot Carlin - Coill an Chlochair
3 - Conor Gormley - An Charraig Mhór
4 - Barry Tierney - An Omaigh
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
6 - Joe McMahon - An Omaigh
7 - Danny McBride - An Srath Ban
8 - Conor Clarke - An Omaigh
9 - Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh
10 - Kevin Gallagher - An Baile Nua
11 - Mark Donnelly - An Charraig Mhór
12 - Matthew Donnelly - Trí Leac
13 - Martin Penrose - An Charraig Mhór
14 - Stephen O'Neill - Clann na nGael
15 - Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 - Pascal McConnell - An Baile Nua
17 - Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin
18 - Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey - Cluain Eo
20 - Tiarnan McCann - Coill an Chlochair
21 - Cathal McCarron - An Droim Mór
22 - Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc
23 - Dean McNally - Cill Dhreasa
24 – Ronan McNamee - Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece - Oileán a'Ghuail
26 - Sean Warnock - An Caisleán Glas
1.Rory Beggan;
2. Dessie Mone,
3. Fintan Kelly,
4. Kieran Duffy;
5. Martin McElroy,
6. Darren Hughes,
7. Carl O'Connell;
8. Dick Clerkin,
9. Neil McAdam;
10. Stephen Smith,
11. Paul McArdle,
12. Owen Duffy;
13. Padraig Donaghy,
14. Conor McManus,
15. Dermot Malone.
Subs:
16. Mark Keogh,
17. Ronan McNally,
18. Owen Coyle,
19. Conor Galligan,
20. Owen Lennon,
21. Gerard McArdle,
22. Gavin Doogan,
23. Shane McQuillan,
2. Tommy O'Neill,
25. Keith McEnaney,
26. Donal Hahessy.
Dr. McKenna Cup
03 January 2013
Monaghan v St. Mary's University, Belfast: Clones: Sunday January 6th @ 2pm.
This Sunday newly appointed Monaghan manager Malachy O'Rourke has his first competitive outing when his charges take on St Mary's University College, Belfast, in the opening round of matches in this year's Dr McKenna Cup competition.
Malachy O'Rourke has a detailed knowledge of the GAA scene in Monaghan and would have taken in the final stages of all three championships as well as the latter stages of all the leagues where he expressed himself as being very impressed with the level of competition right across the leagues and championships and the high standard of play that he saw in what he described as very exciting finals. O'Rourke also held a number of trail games and eventually drew up a 26-man panel for this year's McKenna Cup competition. There are a number of new faces but there are a number of established players who are not included for a variety of reasons one of which is that some of them, like Colin Walshe, are involved with their respective colleges in the various pre-season tournaments. The McKenna Cup panel does not include Darren Hughes, Colin Walshe, Vincent Corey, Paul Finlay, Stephen Gollogly, James Turley or Dessie Mone.
St Mary's College on the other hand are coming with quite an experienced panel and a group of players who have already reached the final of the Ryan Cup where they lost out to the Dublin Institute and the level of experience they have can be gauged from the fact that all but eight of last year's panel are there again this year. The players who are no longer involved with the college are Michael Slane, Eoin McArdle, Gavin Teague, Rory O'Callaghan, Chris Conaghan, Conor McMahon, Oisin McIomhair and Thomas Canavan.
As in previous years the Monaghan management will be using this year's competition to blood new players and to assess some of the emerging players in a competitive situation to see if they can produce the form that would see them make the National Football League panel. For St Mary's College though it is a different agenda as they will be using the McKenna Cup as preparation for their forthcoming Sigerson Cup competition, a tournament they will hope to do well in this year. Having lost the final of the Higher Education League division 1 however would mean that the only way success in the Sigerson would be measured would be by winning the competition outright and St. Mary's manager Paddy Tally would see the McKenna Cup matches as ideal preparation.
The competition though was dealt something of a blow recently when Queens University Belfast pulled out of the competition due to the fact that quite a number of their inter county stars were not available to them and consequently they felt that the competition would not serve the purpose they had in mind. It had been suggested also some time earlier that Donegal would be looking at whether they would take part this year or not but that has since been ironed out although it is expected that it will be fringe players and those who are being tried out who will feature for them.
A win on Sunday would be an ideal start for Malachy O'Rourke but defeating St Mary's would not be his first or most important goal and he is on record as saying that the first and most important goal is what he would call an attitude goal, which is to assemble a panel of players who will push themselves to the absolute limits in order to achieve success. "If we achieve this I have no doubt that success will follow". That success though would be a little further down the road than Sunday's McKenna Cup game, although a winning start would certainly be a great boost. Sunday's game in fact is a rerun of Monaghan's opening McKenna Cup match last year when they defeated the students by points 8 points in Clones but that was only gaining some revenge for the three points defeat inflicted on them by St Mary's College back in 2009.
The win last year left Monaghan 100% better off than they were in 2011 as they failed to win any of their three matches that year. Last they may have struggled for periods but ultimately they possessed that little bit more power than the students and ran out deserving winners with eight points to spare at the finish. However it was only in the final stages that Monaghan asserted their superiority against a team where legs tired in the final quarter and Monaghan capitalised with five unanswered points in the final seven minutes of normal time to clinch victory. It finished Monaghan 0-14, St. Mary's College, Belfast 0-6. Team manager Malachy O'Rourke will pick his starting 15 from the following panel: Mark Keogh, Rory Beggan, Conor Galligan, Fintan Kelly, Kieran Duffy, Ronan Mc Nally, Owen Coyle, Martin Mc Elroy, Karl O'Connell, Drew Wylie, Owen Lennon, Gerard McArdle, Neil Mc Adam, Stephen Smith, Owen Duffy, Shane McQuillan, Dick Clerkin, Dermot Malone, Kieran Hughes, Padraig Donaghy, Thomas O'Neill, Keith Mc Enaney, Donal Hahessy, Matthew McKenna, Paul McArdle, Conor Mc Manus. Throw-in in Clones on Sunday is at 2.00pm.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=183037
Cavan team to play Down
05 January 2013
Cavan's Mark McKeever and Meath's Brian Meade in a fight for possession during the Fitzsimons Cup game at Grangegodden
Cavan manager Terry Hyland has named his side to face Down for their McKenna Cup SF round 1 game at Kingspan Breffni Park on Sunday.
Cavan (McKenna Cup v Down) -
1. A O'Mara;
2. O Minagh,
3. R Dunne,
4. K Brady;
5. P O'Reilly,
6. A Clarke,
7. D O'Reilly;
8. T Corr,
9. G McKiernan;
10. C Mackey,
11. N McDermott,
12. M McKeever;
13. K Meehan,
14. E Keating,
15. D Givney.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 05, 2013, 06:51:34 PM
What rules did Harte break God14?
There is a rule that colleges are supposed to have first call on players but the rule isnt enforced by Ulster Council who just leave it up to managers. It's very unfair on the colleges IMO. Those who don't care about higher education GAA won't give a damn but it works against the spirit of the competition. My concern is that managers in other provinces will follow Mickey Harte and co which will just mean that the colleges will leave these competitions which would be a real shame.
Quote from: stronghold on January 04, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
Tyrone team for Sunday
4 UUJ , 4 St Mary's , 1 Queens ????
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc ST MARYS
2 – Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 – Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh UUJ
5 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais UUJ
6 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban ST MARYS
8 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh ST MARYS
9 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
11 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
12 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac UUJ
13 – Martin Penrose – An Charraig Mhór
14 – Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 – Johnathan Lafferty – Urnaí
16 – Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
17 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin ST MARYS
18 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
19 – Conor McAlliskey – Cluain Eo UUJ
20 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
23 – Dean McNally – Cill Dhreasa UUJ
24 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
25 – Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
26 – Sean Warnock – An Caisleán Glas QUB
Hard to believe that the poly & Ranch don't have Queens' backbone
Has been raining more unless non stop here in Omagh since yesterday afternoon. I wonder what sort of shape the Healy Park surface is in?
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Match Commentary Returns on Sunday – Tyrone v Derry
Teamtalkmag.com Radio will be broadcasting LIVE from Healy Park in Omagh on Sunday afternoon as the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup gets up and going. Teamtalkmag.com Radio will be in position from 1.50pm to bring you commentary from the Group C Tyrone v Derry game.
Full Schedule of Commentary Games in January...
Sunday 6th January at 2pm : Tyrone v Derry
Sunday 13th January at 2pm : Antrim v Tyrone
Wednesday 16th January at 7.30pm : Tyrone v UUJ
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/20988
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
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Is the Tony Fearon on that page the same bucko that does be posting on here?
Tyrone v Derry - commentators chatting about shiny shorts.
10 minute delay. Derry reg tractors clogging up the Gortin Rd.
Female running the line.
Men fill front row.
Angry women in crowd.
Antrim 0-4 UUJ 0-0
Tyrone 0-0
Derry 0-1 (Kennedy)
Tyrone 0-1 (Cavanagh free)
Derry 0-1
Tyrone 0-1
Derry 0-2 (Bell 45)
Antrim 0-5
UUJ 0-2
Tyrone 0-2 (O'Neill free)
Derry 0-2
Antrim 0-5
UUJ 1-2
Tyrone 0-2
Derry 0-3 (Bell)
Tyrone 0-3 (Cavanagh free)
Derry 0-3
Tyrone 0-3
Derry 0-4
Antrim 0-6
UUJ 1-3
Tyrone 0-4 (O'Neill free)
Derry 0-4
Antrim 1-6
UUJ 1-3
Tyrone 0-5 (O'Neill)
Derry 0-4
Joe McMahon subbed.
Antrim 1-6
UUJ 1-3
Tyrone 0-6 (Donnelly)
Derry 0-4
Antrim 1-9
UUJ 1-3
Tyrone 0-7 (Cavanagh)
Derry 0-4
Antrim 1-10
UUJ 1-3 ---half time----
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-5 (Bradley)
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-6 (Bradley)
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-7 (Kielt)
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-7
Half time
Cavan 0-8 Down 1-5 at HT. Down were 5 ahead early on.
Antrim 1-10
UUJ 1-5
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-7
Antrim 1-11
UUJ 1-5
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-8 (McCloskey)
Antrim 1-12
UUJ 1-5
down 1-9 cavan 0-10.
Cavan should have been out of sight early in 2nd half
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-9 (Lynch)
Antrim 1-12
UUJ 1-5
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-9
Antrim 1-12
UUJ 2-6
Tyrone 0-7
Derry 0-10 (McCloskey)
Antrim 1-12
UUJ 2-6
Tyrone 0-8 (Cavanagh free)
Derry 0-10
Antrim 1-12
UUJ 2-6
Tyrone 0-9 (Cavanagh free)
Derry 0-10
Antrim 1-12
UUJ 2-6
Tyrone 0-10 (Mt Donnelly)
Derry 0-10
Antrim 1-13
UUJ 2-6
Tyrone 0-11 (Cavanagh)
Derry 0-10
Antrim 1-15
UUJ 2-7
Tyrone 0-11
Derry 0-11 (Lynch)
Antrim 1-15
UUJ 2-7
Tyrone 0-11
Derry 0-12 (McCloskey)
Antrim 1-15
UUJ 2-8
Down 1-10 Cavan 0-10 FT
Tyrone 0-11
Derry 0-13 (J Kielt)
Antrim 1-15
UUJ 2-8
Tyrone 0-11
Derry 0-13
Antrim 1-15
UUJ 2-9 ----full time-----
Tyrone 0-12 (Gallagher)
Derry 0-13
Tyrone 0-12
Derry 0-14 (J Kielt free)
Tyrone 1-12 (McAliskey goal)
Derry 0-14
Tyrone 1-13 (Harte)
Derry 0-14
Tyrone 1-14 (Cavanagh free)
Derry 0-14
Tyrone 1-14
Derry 0-15 (J Kielt)
FULL TIME
Good to start the season with a win :)
down 1-11 cavan 0-12 FT paul mc commiskey with downs goal in the 1st half
Good to get the win against the Derry wans. From listening to Paddy and Noel it sounded like a reasonably good quality game with Tyrone lucky enough to sneak the win with the late goal. Sounded like out of the newcomers Kevin Gallagher had the best game with McBride getting a fair few mentions. On the Derry side PJ McCloskey scored a number long range points from play. Sean Cavanagh and SoN did the majority of scoring for Tyrone.
Decent win today. As usual at this time of year there were mixed passages of play. Thought we were very poor around midfield and Clarke particularly struggled to compete. McBride had a good first half but looked a bit confused as to his role in the second. Tyrone looked in trouble until McAliskey got his goal - hopefully he can translate his club scoring to county level. Gallager was quiet but came into it at the end and got a nice point. Carlin was very good and Tierney did ok to.
Most of the new fellas did ok, kept it simple and tried hard.
Clarke wasn't great today, too slow and for a big fella didn't make many (any?) clean catches. He's a talent though and hopefully will pick up.
Effectively the same old story in that Tyrone had no grip on MF for long periods. Bradley lorded it for a good stretch.
Sean was good on the ball but won little from kick outs.
Tierney and McBride did well, certainly look good for more age time. McCurry showed flashes of brilliance and should do well this year.
Lafferty was poor, seemed to be trying too hard and either missed shots by a distance, dropped them into the keeper or took wrong options running into trouble and losing the ball. Again, he's better than he showed today and hopefully gets another chance.
Anyone know what was wrong with Joe?
Referee dished out some very strange cautions. Penrose had 2 fellas on top of him at one stage and was the only one of the three booked. Harte at the end was hauled and dragged back trying to make a supporting run, yet he got the yellow. Notably mcQuillan, who never misses a chance to stick the boot into Tyrone, failed to correct the ref, despite the incident happening directly in front of him..
Good day out all the same, even the rain disappeared.
It was ridiculous that just Harte was booked from the incident. I'm not sure if he reacted but he was taken to the ground by a headlock as he tried to make a run as Tyrone were on the attack. Bradley had a bit of a go at Gormley near the end to, Gormley didn't even appear to do to much to get a reaction.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20928252
In two parts of the bbc match report it seems to say that Cavanagh came on as a sub to win the game for Tyrone. Great reporting.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 06, 2013, 05:34:10 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20928252
In two parts of the bbc match report it seems to say that Cavanagh came on as a sub to win the game for Tyrone. Great reporting.
6 January 2013
Dr McKenna Cup: Tyrone 1-14 0-15 DerrySubstitute Conor McAliskey struck a late goal to give Tyrone a narrow victory over neighbours Derry in their opening McKenna Cup game at Healy Park. The Oak Leafers looked like they had done enough, but the introduction of Sean Cavanagh gave the Red Hands a massive edge as he hit seven points. The sides were level at 0-7 apiece at half-time, but Derry eased ahead with three points after the break. McAliskey slid home the crucial goal three minutes from the end. Brian McIver's tenure as Derry manager looked like it was going to get off a winning start until the arrival of former Footballer of the Year Cavanagh, who was making his first appearance since last season's NFL Division two final.
Ballinderry attacker Ryan Bell slotted over a '45 and landed a wonderful point from play as Derry pushed ahead, with the place kicking of Cavanagh and Stephen O'Neill keeping Tyrone in touch. Six unanswered points either side of the break eased Derry into a three-point lead.
But back came the home side with three Cavanagh scores, before McAliskey ensured that the Red Hands got their Section C campaign off to a winning start.
TEAMS
Tyrone: Niall Morgan; Dermot Carlin; Conor Gormley, Barry Tierney; Ryan McKenna, Joe McMahon, Danny McBride; Conor Clarke, Sean Cavanagh; Kevin Gallagher, Mark Donnelly, Matthew Donnelly; Martin Penrose, Stephen O'Neill, Jonathan Lafferty.
Derry: Eoin McNicholl; Dermot McBride, Ciaran Mullan, Ryan Ferris; Sean Leo McGoldrick, Mark Lynch, Charlie Kielt; P J McCloskey, Patsy Bradley; Ryan Bell, Raymond Wilkinson, Barry McGoldrick; James Kielt, Lee Kennedy, Eoin Bradley. Subs: Thomas Mallon, Micheal Anderson, Philip Bradley, Aidan McAlynn, Brian McCallion, Declan Brown, Blaine Gormley, Daniel Heavron, Declan Mullan, Coilin Devlin, Enda Lynn.
Dr McKenna Cup resultsSection A
Monaghan 1-13 2-06 St Mary's University College
Section B
Cavan 0-12 1-11 Down
Section C
UUJ 2-09 1-15 Antrim
Tyrone 1-14 0-15 Derry
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20928252?print=true
6 January 2013
Dr McKenna Cup: UUJ 2-09 1-15 Antrim
New Antrim manager Frank Dawson got his reign off to a good start with a three-point win over UUJ in Sunday's McKenna Cup Section C game at Casement Park. Antrim raced into a four-point lead but the students levelled thanks to Declan Lynch's 18th-minute goal. Kevin O'Boyle found the net for the Saffrons 10 minutes later and his team enjoyed a 1-10 to 1-3 half-time lead. A second Lynch goal midway through the second half cut the gap to four points but Antrim held on to claim victory. Michael McCann scored the Saffrons' opening point of 2013 after just 24 seconds as Antrim dominated the early stages. The home side were 0-4 to no score to the good after nine minutes with O'Boyle and Michael Pollock adding scores from play and Paddy Cunningham slotting over a free.
UUJ finally got on the scoresheet after 11 minutes through Emmet McGuckin, and Colm Duffin then cancelled out Cunningham's reply. For all Antrim's early dominance they found themselves on level terms after 18 minutes when Lynch raised the game's first green flag, but when O'Boyle palmed into the UUJ net 10 minutes later, Antrim were back in control. McCann, Kieran Close and full back Sean McVeigh all added scores to give Antrim a 1-10 to 1-3 lead at the break. The students started the brighter after the restart however, with Ruairi Corrigan and Aaron Devlin adding scores. After Lynch's goal, three points separated the sides on 54 minutes when McGuckin slotted over from play.
Two points from impressive Antrim substitute Colm Fleming steadied the Antrim ship as the Saffrons started the year with a victory despite late scores for UUJ from Gregory McGovern and Richard Donnelly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20927011?print=true
6 January 2013
Dr McKenna Cup: Cavan 0-12 1-11 Down
Three late points from substitute Liam Doyle helped Down edge out a wasteful Cavan side in the McKenna Cup clash. Paul McComiskey's early goal helped Down move into a 1-4 to 0-1 lead but Martin Dunne's five points contributed to Cavan levelling by half-time. Cavan then moved into a two-point lead before two Benny Coulter points helped Down draw level at Breffni Park. As Cavan missed chances, Doyle struck three points as his introduction helped Down edge a two-point verdict. Doyle was sent on midway through the second half along with All-Star nominee Conor Laverty and the duo's class proved decisive for Down in the closing stages. Dunne hit nine of Cavan's points with their other three scores coming from midfielder McKiernan. McComiskey, playing his first game for Down since the 2011 All-Ireland qualifier defeat by Cork, hit the net with the opening score of the game and a Ryan Boyle score extended the Mourne County's advantage to four points.
Gearoid McKiernan opened Cavan's account in the eighth minute but two points by Danny Savage helped stretch Down's lead to six. However, three straight Dunne points left a kick of the ball between the sides and Cavan continued to dominate the remainder of the first period as they drew level at 0-8 to 1-5 by the break. Cavan moved into a two-point advantage after half-time before two points by first-half substitute Coulter brought the sides level. John McCutcheon's switch to centre-field saw Cavan take a stranglehold on procession midway through the second half but Terry Hyland's side failed to make their dominance count as they missed a series of chances. In contrast, there was an economy of effort about Down's scores after the introduction of Doyle and Laverty. Doyle rattled off three straight points to put Down two ahead and James McCartan's side stayed ahead until the finish.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20928258?print=true
The Antrim game was a one sided affair according to the wife's brother who is an Antrim supporter. Fair play to uuj lads who battled away without their county lads. They may have been better taking a stand against the ulster council and walking instead of doing what they were told.
Antrim a real force this year under Dawson lads? The noises are good. They were flying today by all accounts. Pity the st galls lads would sign up
Quote from: tyroneman on January 06, 2013, 05:21:41 PM
Referee dished out some very strange cautions. Penrose had 2 fellas on top of him at one stage and was the only one of the three booked. Harte at the end was hauled and dragged back trying to make a supporting run, yet he got the yellow. Notably mcQuillan, who never misses a chance to stick the boot into Tyrone, failed to correct the ref, despite the incident happening directly in front of him..
The guys on the radio commentary said Harte reacted to the initial foul and that he was very lucky not to get a red card.
Can the Derry wans confirm if on the way home they encountered any amusing banners re Tyrones seemingly endless domination of them?
Quote from: under the bar on January 06, 2013, 06:51:29 PM
Can the Derry wans confirm if on the way home they encountered any amusing banners re Tyrones seemingly endless domination of them?
Never seen anything myself. Whether some of the Tyrone ones were watching a different game to me but I certainly wouldn't hold out out much hope for their new starters today. If anything I thought number 4, 7 and 10 were very poor. Carlin was excellent and Cavanagh looked very sharp. Mc Curry looks the real deal when introduced also. Derry plan decent in patches. PJ, Ferris and Lynch all played well. Certainly work in progress.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 06, 2013, 06:13:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 06, 2013, 05:21:41 PM
Referee dished out some very strange cautions. Penrose had 2 fellas on top of him at one stage and was the only one of the three booked. Harte at the end was hauled and dragged back trying to make a supporting run, yet he got the yellow. Notably mcQuillan, who never misses a chance to stick the boot into Tyrone, failed to correct the ref, despite the incident happening directly in front of him..
The guys on the radio commentary said Harte reacted to the initial foul and that he was very lucky not to get a red card.
The funny thing was this....................tyrone on the attack referee looks to his side and sees something happening with harte and mcbride? (i think) and lets play continue, 10 seconds later a tyrone man is fouled and gets a free from 21m line. The ref then goes back and books harte for his foul. The referee had seen something that harte did, therefore why did he not blow a foul against harte and give the free to derry when he seen it 10 seconds earlier????? The ref was useless for both sides ttytt.
Quote from: under the bar on January 06, 2013, 06:51:29 PM
Can the Derry wans confirm if on the way home they encountered any amusing banners re Tyrones seemingly endless domination of them?
I did not see them either. we ended up going back through gortin, donemana direction unless they had them at a different location.
Derry were the better team today and the attitude they had pleased me a great deal. Tyrone were lucky to snath the win today.
True; nothing worse than getting beat by Tyrone boys, especially in the last dramatic fashion. They have had us ball the balls since the mid 90s lads to be honest. That was a good hard hitting game today and was great to see Derry ones with a bit of agression so early in the season.
Quote. Derry were the better team today and the attitude they had pleased me a great deal. Tyrone were lucky to snath the win today.
Would have to disagree.
Fairly 50/50 except Tyrone had 3 goal chances and took 1 compared to Derry's one chance, which they missed.
So overall Tyrones better approach play slightly edged out Derry's superior MF but really little in it.
McCurry, (Ronan) O'Neill and Coney will be some forward unit though, if they can all get fit and stay fit......
Can only hope players like Harry Og or Grugan will develop into decent midfielders as we still seem to struggle.....
Quote from: tyroneman on January 06, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
Quote. Derry were the better team today and the attitude they had pleased me a great deal. Tyrone were lucky to snath the win today.
Would have to disagree.
Fairly 50/50 except Tyrone had 3 goal chances and took 1 compared to Derry's one chance, which they missed.
So overall Tyrones better approach play slightly edged out Derry's superior MF but really little in it.
McCurry, (Ronan) O'Neill and Coney will be some forward unit though, if they can all get fit and stay fit......
Can only hope players like Harry Og or Grugan will develop into decent midfielders as we still seem to struggle.....
Stretching it a bit with that full forward line as none have really done anything at senior level. All exciting prospects however and will be interesting to see how they develop. Did Conlon even make the senior squad this year?
Thats the problem with derry; they rule mf for much of the time over the years, but fail to convert this to scores. Look at the mf throughout the last 15 years.... Tohill, mcgilligan, doherty, friel, patsy bradley, diver, muldoon and then pj today. We cant capitalise on this dominance and it doesnt matter who we play.
Ah come on tyrone man, ye not admit that derry were the better team??
Quote from: theticklemister on January 06, 2013, 10:14:31 PM
Thats the problem with derry; they rule mf for much of the time over the years, but fail to convert this to scores. Look at the mf throughout the last 15 years.... Tohill, mcgilligan, doherty, friel, patsy bradley, diver, muldoon and then pj today. We cant capitalise on this dominance and it doesnt matter who we play.
Ah come on tyrone man, ye not admit that derry were the better team??
Derry were only better the first 15 of the 2nd half tickle when they pushed up negating the short kickout. Other than that it was nip and tuck with the dominance switching continually. A draw probably would have been a fair result! However I'm more pleased with the performance than anything.
Quote from: ck on January 06, 2013, 06:03:22 PM
The Antrim game was a one sided affair according to the wife's brother who is an Antrim supporter. Fair play to uuj lads who battled away without their county lads. They may have been better taking a stand against the ulster council and walking instead of doing what they were told.
Antrim a real force this year under Dawson lads? The noises are good. They were flying today by all accounts. Pity the st galls lads would sign up
Antrim comfortable enough but as ever didn't kill them off and it was down to three points. Not sure about real force as not much can be taken from today but good to start with a win and more players to come in. Some decent scores taken with some direct running from Murray and Niblock...when we run at teams we're dangerous...when we stop, dilly dally, turn back on ourselves we're dung. As regards "flying" again time will tell but as you said good noises through the press.
Dung is also a good description of your final sentence. Lynch, Niblock and Pollock playing. Heard that McClean was coming back. Not sure about McGourtys but Gallagher I thought had confirmed he wasn't playing. Not sure whether Kelly was approached but would still slot in at wing half back.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 06, 2013, 05:24:59 PM
It was ridiculous that just Harte was booked from the incident. I'm not sure if he reacted but he was taken to the ground by a headlock as he tried to make a run as Tyrone were on the attack. Bradley had a bit of a go at Gormley near the end to, Gormley didn't even appear to do to much to get a reaction.
It would be a rare day if gormley didn't do much...
Glensman who's lynch? Kelly's not playing as far as i know but was approached. Mclean will be back. Couple of antrim scorers for jordanstown too.
Mickey Harte's verdict:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20928381
Brian McIver's verdict
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20929277
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 06, 2013, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 06, 2013, 05:24:59 PM
It was ridiculous that just Harte was booked from the incident. I'm not sure if he reacted but he was taken to the ground by a headlock as he tried to make a run as Tyrone were on the attack. Bradley had a bit of a go at Gormley near the end to, Gormley didn't even appear to do to much to get a reaction.
It would be a rare day if gormley didn't do much...
Glensman who's lynch? Kelly's not playing as far as i know but was approached. Mclean will be back. Couple of antrim scorers for jordanstown too.
Lamh Dhearg...normally plays CHB for them but looked lively and two good finishes for goals. I hadn't realised he got them both!
Not sure if mentioned earlier and have actually not harped on about this in the past but £9 for McKenna cup is atrocious.
Should be £5 and publicised widely.
Quote from: Glensman on January 06, 2013, 11:27:46 PM
Not sure if mentioned earlier and have actually not harped on about this in the past but £9 for McKenna cup is atrocious.
Should be £5 and publicised widely.
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Quote from: Glensman on January 06, 2013, 11:27:46 PM
Not sure if mentioned earlier and have actually not harped on about this in the past but £9 for McKenna cup is atrocious.
Should be £5 and publicised widely.
Think it was £8 last year. Season ticket is a good idea if you can get to all the games. Got one last year. As Queens ran away this year did not think it was worthwhile for an Armagh man this year, especially as I cannot make the semis anyway.
Monaghan were very comfortable against St. Marys which was to be expected. A raft of subs diluted the game in the second half and some late scores for St Mary's put some respectibility on the scoreline. Jerome Johnston and Niall Sludden put up a good fight for the students, both working very hard. But they were clearly under strenght and it showed.
Monaghan will be happy enough. Of the debutants, Paul McArdle and Stephen Smith will be happy enough with their showings. Smith was lively and worked hard and earned his point. McArdle showed some nice tocuhes and quick thinking especially for the pass for the goal. Plus his physical power is a big asset. Donaghy while getting the goal was near anonymous. For me the jury is still out for Kelly at FB. He's worth another game there.
Dermot Malone was hugely impressive at wing forward. He'll be a nailed on starter for that position this year. He was a big loss to Monaghan last year so great to have him back. Also impressive was Marti McElroy at wing back. He was alert, read the play superbly, linked the play well and took his score expertly. Mansy was superb at FF, while Mcadam got through a huge amount of work in the middle.
I also seen Jack McCarron scored 1-2 for DCU against Wicklow, while Pete Dooney also started that game. Unfortunately Colin Walsh got a straight red for DIT against Wexford.
Quote from: Glensman on January 06, 2013, 11:27:46 PM
Not sure if mentioned earlier and have actually not harped on about this in the past but £9 for McKenna cup is atrocious.
Should be £5 and publicised widely.
Came on to post this. Didn't head to the match as I seen the price was so dear, Championship games are only £3 dearer :o
Pretty disgraceful price for a fixture just after the turn of the year where the vast majority of teams are experimental. The season ticket would have been a good idea for the league bit alone if we didnt have a weekday game up in Derry
£5 would have been a good price as said above.
£9/10euro is hefty. I had 2 people with me yesterday and that was 30euro for a team playing a college team. The GAA would need to wise up in recessionary times
£9 is a disgrace for what most teams and people refer to as warm up matches for blowing the cob webs out,
As someone has said the GAA/Ulster Council would seriously need to wise up
How much was it into around the rest of the provinces?
The ulster council didnt want the money in omagh yesterday, they only had two turnstiles open for a lon while!!!
no signs were put up to state the entrance fee yesterday for either normal, oap or student.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 06, 2013, 06:58:05 PM
Quote from: under the bar on January 06, 2013, 06:51:29 PM
Can the Derry wans confirm if on the way home they encountered any amusing banners re Tyrones seemingly endless domination of them?
Never seen anything myself. Whether some of the Tyrone ones were watching a different game to me but I certainly wouldn't hold out out much hope for their new starters today. If anything I thought number 4, 7 and 10 were very poor. Carlin was excellent and Cavanagh looked very sharp. Mc Curry looks the real deal when introduced also. Derry plan decent in patches. PJ, Ferris and Lynch all played well. Certainly work in progress.
I would agree with that - O'Neill was frustrated up front. Penrose did some deadly running and should have drawn some fouls from a better referee..Mcaliskey took a deadly goal..it could be that some of those lads will have to work deadly hard in training to get a chance to make a second impression, though i know its harsh to say that after a game...though id say that micky would be ruthless enough when he needs to be...on an aside, niall mckenna has to be even more pissed off that he didnt get a place on the squad
I think Stevie & Mugsy has been frustrated up front for some time now.
They very rarely get good ball kicked into them as often there are sweepers in front of them and I watched the Tyrone v Donegal game last year again over Christmas and every time Mugsy got the ball. He had 5 players around in within 3 seconds.
The day of being out in front, winning yer ball, turn yer man and kicking a great score are over I think for players like Stevie & Mugsy.
I was disappointed to read that Clarke was poor on Sunday. I have high hopes for him after last year.
Sorry to be so down in the mouth but I expect players like Justin & Joey to be always getting injured and young McNabb seems to be the same.
What's the story with Red Sean then. Is he definitely out of the squad for good or being rested til later. It seemed last year he had cemented his starting place.
Its strange given all the complaints about Mickey Harte ruining the McKenna Cup by denying university their players that no one has complained about Donegal naming a development squad with very few players from last year involved. Would this not be doing the McKenna Cup more harm than Harte's policy? The All Ireland champions would be a big draw in the competition normally.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 08, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
Its strange given all the complaints about Mickey Harte ruining the McKenna Cup by denying university their players that no one has complained about Donegal naming a development squad with very few players from last year involved. Would this not be doing the McKenna Cup more harm than Harte's policy? The All Ireland champions would be a big draw in the competition normally.
No. Most counties are fairly experimental during the mckenna cup apart from with their university players as they're playing for their universities.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 08, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
Its strange given all the complaints about Mickey Harte ruining the McKenna Cup by denying university their players that no one has complained about Donegal naming a development squad with very few players from last year involved. Would this not be doing the McKenna Cup more harm than Harte's policy? The All Ireland champions would be a big draw in the competition normally.
Don't think Donegal are breaking any competition regulations?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 08, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
Its strange given all the complaints about Mickey Harte ruining the McKenna Cup by denying university their players that no one has complained about Donegal naming a development squad with very few players from last year involved. Would this not be doing the McKenna Cup more harm than Harte's policy? The All Ireland champions would be a big draw in the competition normally.
I think McGuinness has the right to do whatever he sees fit with his squad. If he can find one player out of the McKenna Cup games he will have deemed it a success. I don't think anybody is accusing Harte of deliberately ruining the McKenna cup, just that he has flouted the rules for maximum gain in order to assert his authority.
Harte treats the McKenna cup as important, most other counties view them as a series of glorified challenge matches used primarily to unearth one or two new players. I don't think you will find too many Donegal people complaining about McGuinness' approach to the competition
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 08, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
Its strange given all the complaints about Mickey Harte ruining the McKenna Cup by denying university their players that no one has complained about Donegal naming a development squad with very few players from last year involved. Would this not be doing the McKenna Cup more harm than Harte's policy? The All Ireland champions would be a big draw in the competition normally.
McGuinness hasnt broken any rules. Harte flaunts the rules. Big difference
This appears to be partly a reaction from McGuiness of not having so many college players available last year. Just thought those people who were so worried about protecting the competition and its rules would be concerned about Donegal fielding a complete development squad. This will no reduce crowds and the interest in the games. It could be argued that McGuiness's reaction to not having his college players available is doing more harm to the competition than Harte's.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
McGuinness is one of a number of county managers unhappy with the rule that gives colleges first preference on players and he was involved in a war of words with DCU boss Niall Moyna over midfielder Martin McElhinney.
That is basically the same as Harte.
So which regulation have donegal broken?
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
McGuinness is one of a number of county managers unhappy with the rule that gives colleges first preference on players and he was involved in a war of words with DCU boss Niall Moyna over midfielder Martin McElhinney.
That is basically the same as Harte.
Nonsense. McGuinness can complain all he wants but he doesnt break the rules. Harte says nothing and breaks the rules. "Basically" they polar opposites.
The Dublin colleges have all the top players on scholarships so they are contracted to play for their college. That's why Armaghs Grimley can do nothing about Kevin Dyas. He takes all the Ulster colleges players though and breaks the rules in the process. .no-one stops him. Harte and Canavan the same.
Have Donegal any chance tomorrow night? I'm sure the players will be pushing to make the panel for the year but you'd have to guess they'd lack the quality.
Tyrone don't play any challange games , maybe more so the reason that Harte wants the players.
I think it should be up to the players whatever they want to do, a lot might want to play with their county anyway. They would have been training with the College and playing Ryan Cup since September. Make an impression with the County side and then get back for the College and train hard for Sigerson Football...
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
McGuinness is one of a number of county managers unhappy with the rule that gives colleges first preference on players and he was involved in a war of words with DCU boss Niall Moyna over midfielder Martin McElhinney.
That is basically the same as Harte.
Nonsense. McGuinness can complain all he wants but he doesnt break the rules. Harte says nothing and breaks the rules. "Basically" they polar opposites.
The Dublin colleges have all the top players on scholarships so they are contracted to play for their college. That's why Armaghs Grimley can do nothing about Kevin Dyas. He takes all the Ulster colleges players though and breaks the rules in the process. .no-one stops him. Harte and Canavan the same.
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Not really, there is players on the Tyrone panel who are scholorships in UUJ. Explain more how that works if they it works different for them than in Dublin.
There are NO Tyrone players or any other County for that matter on scholarships in UUJ
Quote from: stronghold on January 08, 2013, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2013, 04:04:49 PM
McGuinness is one of a number of county managers unhappy with the rule that gives colleges first preference on players and he was involved in a war of words with DCU boss Niall Moyna over midfielder Martin McElhinney.
That is basically the same as Harte.
Nonsense. McGuinness can complain all he wants but he doesnt break the rules. Harte says nothing and breaks the rules. "Basically" they polar opposites.
The Dublin colleges have all the top players on scholarships so they are contracted to play for their college. That's why Armaghs Grimley can do nothing about Kevin Dyas. He takes all the Ulster colleges players though and breaks the rules in the process. .no-one stops him. Harte and Canavan the same.
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Not really, there is players on the Tyrone panel who are scholorships in UUJ. Explain more how that works if they it works different for them than in Dublin.
There are NO Tyrone players or any other County for that matter on scholarships in UUJ
My understanding is that the Dublin colleges are tied in to play no matter what county managers try to do. Why is this not the same up north?
Bad fog in Enniskillen. Referee to make a decision at 6.30
Game on
Any radio link for this game lads don't think highland radio has it fully
Drici said that highland radio has the second half
1,523 at Brewster Park tonight. A decent crowd for a cold Wednesday night in January.
On highland now. They're talking about the Tyrone game cause cause Fermanagh are cruising Fermanagh 2-12 Donegal 0-04
Fermanagh for Sam!!!
That's a scoreline which cannot be ignored.
Jimmy's losing matches, Jimmy's feeling pain, Jimmy's chance of holding onto Sam is flowing down the drain.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 09, 2013, 09:49:33 PM
Jimmy's losing matches, Jimmy's feeling pain, Jimmy's chance of holding onto Sam is flowing down the drain.
Wouldn't bet on it!!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 09, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
That's a scoreline which cannot be ignored.
Indeed. The knives are being sharpened as we speak! :P
Did Donegal play any of the All-Ireland team? Doubt it.
Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2013, 10:52:50 PM
Did Donegal play any of the All-Ireland team? Doubt it.
None took part.
Interesting game coming up on Saturday night with a very new look Armagh taking on Cavan.
1. NIALL GEOGHAGAN
2. STEPHEN FINNEGAN
3. JAMES DONNELLY
4. GARY Mc COOEY – due to an illness, Gary is now replaced with Finnian Moriarty
5. NIALL ROWLAND
6. AIDAN FORKER
7. MARK SHIELDS
8. STEPHEN HAROLD
9. KIERAN TONER
10. GAVIN Mc PARLAND
11. NIALL Mc CONVILLE
12. ETHAN RAFFERTY
13. DECLAN CARVILLE
14. STEFAN FORKER
15. EUGENE McVERRY
Substitutes:
16. CONOR Mc KEOWN 22. STEFAN CAMPBELL
17. CIARAN Mc KEEVER 23. MICHAEL STEVENSON
18. BRIAN MALLON 24. CAOLAN RAFFERTY
19. FINNIAN MORIARTY 25. DECLAN Mc KENNA
20. BARRY LOUGHRAN 26. ANTO DUFFY
21. JOHN KINGHAM
Tyrone team v Antrim
Comórtas: Corn Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Aontroim
Ionad: Beal Feirste
Dáta: 13-01-13
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
4 Dean McNally Cill Dhreasa
5 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
6 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7 Sean Warnock An Caisleán Glas
8 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
13 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
14 Stephen O'Neill (C) Clann na nGael
15 Conor McAlliskey Cluain Eo
16 John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
19 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
20 Mattie Donnelly Trí Leac
21 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
22 Jonathan Lafferty Urnaí
23 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
24 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
25 Barry Tierney An Omaigh
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2013/01/tyrone-team-v-antrim/
Antrim Team v Tyrone 13th Jan 2013
1 Chris Kerr Naomh Gall
2 Kevin O Boyle Clann na hEireann
3 Paul Doherty Ros Earcain
4 Sean Finch Ui Dhonnabhain Rosa
5 Tony Scullion Clann na hEireann
6 Dermott Mc Cann Ciceam Creagan
7 Justin Crozier Clann na hEireann
8 Sean Mc Veigh Naomh Uile
9 John Carron Clann na hEireann
10 Conor Murray Lamh Dhearg
11 Kevin Niblock Naomh Gall
12 Colm Fleming Ui Dhonnabhain Rosa
13 Michael Mc Cann Clann na hEireann
14 Michael Herron Lamh Dhearg
15 Michael Pollock Naomh Gall
16 Benny Marron Naomh Eargnaid
17 Nial Delargy Mhic Asmaint
18 James Lavery Clann na hEireann
19 Conal Kelly Naomh Eoin
20 Brendan Herron Lamh Dhearg
21 Dermott Mc Aleese Mhic Asmaint
22 Paddy Cunningham Lamh Dhearg
23 Kieran Close Clann na hEireann
24 Ryan Murray Lamh Dhearg
25 Peter Mc Nicholl Naomh Uile
26 Paddy Kelly Mhic Asmaint
27 Fergal Johnson Clann na hEireann
Injuries mount for Cavan
09 January 2013
Cavan's David Givney
Cavan manager Terry Hyland admits he is concerned by the amount of players on the treatment table at the moment.
The likes of David Givney, Eugene Keating and Rory Dunne all missed last weekend's defeat to Down in the Dr McKenna Cup through injury and they have now being joined by Kevin Meehan, who injured his hamstring during the match.
Cavan take on Armagh in the McKenna Cup this weekend, needing a win to stay in the competition, but the Cavan manager is focused on bigger issues.
Hyland admitted to the Anglo-Celt that the injuries were a concern ahead of the league campaign that begins next month.
"It's a little bit of a worry from that point of view, to have so many fellas carrying injuries; not so much for the Armagh game, but going forward into the National League in a few weeks time."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=183328
Four debutants for Derry
Thomas Mallon (Loup), Philip Bradley (Ballinascreen), Daniel Heavron (Magherafelt) and 2012 minor Conor McAtamney from Swatragh will all make their senior debuts this Saturday night against UUJ at Celtic Park.
Eoin Bradley joins Coilin Devlin and Kilrea's James Kielt in the full forward line while Bliain Gormley partners P J McCloskey at midfield.
Captain Mark Lynch remains at centre back.
Derry (McKenna Cup v UUJ) - Thomas Mallon; Carlus McWilliams, Dermot McBride, Brian McCallion; Conor McAtamney, Mark Lynch, Philip Bradley; Bliain Gormley, P J McCloskey; Enda Lynn, Declan Mullan, Daniel Heavron; Coilin Devlin, Eoin Bradley, James Kielt.
Subs: Kevin Farren, Ryan Ferris, Ciaran Mullan, Kevin Johnston, Sean Leo McGoldrick, Gerard O'Kane, John McCamley, Ciaran McFaul, Raymond Wilkinson, Lee Kennedy, Ryan Bell.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=183455
Ten changes for Monaghan V Donegal
10 January 2013
Monaghan manager Malachy O'Rourke has made ten changes to the team that beat St Mary's University last weekend for this Sunday's trip to Ballybofey for the McKenna Cup second round clash against Donegal.
Owen Coyle (Latton) and Keith McEnaney (Corduff) will make their debuts at corner-back and corner-forward respectively while Monaghan Harps forward Donal Hahessy gets a first start after coming on as a substitute last weekend.
Monaghan (McKenna Cup v Donegal) - Mark Keogh; Ronan McNally, David Hughes, Owen Coyle; Kieran Duffy, Dessie Mone, Conor Galligan; Owen Lennon, Darren Hughes; Kieran Hughes, Paul McArdle, Thomas O'Neill; Keith McEnaney, Conor McManus, Donal Hahessy. Subs: Rory Beggan, Fintan Kelly, Martin McElroy, Karl O'Connell, Neil McAdam, Dermot Malone, Dick Clerkin, Gerard McArdle, Shane McQuillan, Stephen Smyth, Owen Duffy.
Quote from: Orior on January 11, 2013, 04:13:01 PM
Interesting game coming up on Saturday night with a very new look Armagh taking on Cavan.
1. NIALL GEOGHAGAN
2. STEPHEN FINNEGAN
3. JAMES DONNELLY
4. GARY Mc COOEY – due to an illness, Gary is now replaced with Finnian Moriarty
5. NIALL ROWLAND
6. AIDAN FORKER
7. MARK SHIELDS
8. STEPHEN HAROLD
9. KIERAN TONER
10. GAVIN Mc PARLAND
11. NIALL Mc CONVILLE
12. ETHAN RAFFERTY
13. DECLAN CARVILLE
14. STEFAN FORKER
15. EUGENE McVERRY
Substitutes:
16. CONOR Mc KEOWN 22. STEFAN CAMPBELL
17. CIARAN Mc KEEVER 23. MICHAEL STEVENSON
18. BRIAN MALLON 24. CAOLAN RAFFERTY
19. FINNIAN MORIARTY 25. DECLAN Mc KENNA
20. BARRY LOUGHRAN 26. ANTO DUFFY
21. JOHN KINGHAM
:-\
Armagh v Cavan live stream:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/ (http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/)
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Armagh v Cavan live stream:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/ (http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/)
Stream is shite
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Armagh v Cavan live stream:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/ (http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/)
Stream is shite
Ahh jaysus it's not bad at all. Fair play to them for being innovative and doing something like this
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 12, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Armagh v Cavan live stream:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/ (http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/)
Stream is shite
Ahh jaysus it's not bad at all. Fair play to them for being innovative and doing something like this
Maybe its just me but the video freezes and then goes into fast forward to catch up all the time + camera is not following the ball. Simple enough things that could be fixed. We are not playing well but still ahead by a goal. Giving away possession too easily and too slow to work the ball into scoring positions. I fancy Armagh will win it in the end unless we buck up.
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Armagh v Cavan live stream:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/ (http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/)
Stream is shite
Thought it was just my broadband, had to knock it off. Twitter will do the job.
QuoteAhh jaysus it's not bad at all. Fair play to them for being innovative and doing something like this
+1
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 12, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 12, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Armagh v Cavan live stream:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/ (http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/)
Stream is shite
Ahh jaysus it's not bad at all. Fair play to them for being innovative and doing something like this
Maybe its just me but the video freezes and then goes into fast forward to catch up all the time + camera is not following the ball. Simple enough things that could be fixed. We are not playing well but still ahead by a goal. Giving away possession too easily and too slow to work the ball into scoring positions. I fancy Armagh will win it in the end unless we buck up.
Yea that could be your internet connection and speed coz mine hasn't done that yet. Camera thing could be fixed handy though....
It's grand for me.
im over 3mb speed so should be ok for streaming, no problems last weekend.
Cavan win 3-09 to 1-11.
Didn't think we played that well and our goals were more bad defending than great forward play but still going to Armagh with such a young inexperienced team and winning should be a boost to our lads heading to the national league.
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Cavan win 3-09 to 1-11.
Didn't think we played that well and our goals were more bad defending than great forward play but still going to Armagh with such a young inexperienced team and winning should be a boost to our lads heading to the national league.
I think that isnt the case, apart from full back line that was named nearly all the others have been about 2 years or more and played plenty of games.
2 years experience of losing. Since when is 2 years experienced anyway?
Doing Sterling work over on Hoganstand Fred, you must have a bit more free time lately. :)
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 09:19:16 PM
2 years experience of losing. Since when is 2 years experienced anyway?
I said at least two years. Our team was alot more experienced than Armagh.
James Reilly.
On Panel over 12 yearsOisin Minagh, Killian Brady, Damian Barkey.
Pretty inexperienced herePadraic Reilly, Alan Clarke, John McCutcheon.
A lot of experience on this line.Tomas Corr, Gearoid McKiernan.
Corr has been on and off panel over last 7 years, Mckeirnan U-21 winning captin and on senior panel 3/4 years.Damien O'Reilly, Declan McKiernan, (Mark McKeever. On panel donkeys years)
Cian Mackey, Martin Dunne, Niall McDermott Mackey on panel since 2005, Dunne is most inexperienced in this line. McDermott has been about senior panel a few years.
Quote from: tommysmith on January 12, 2013, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 09:19:16 PM
2 years experience of losing. Since when is 2 years experienced anyway?
I said at least two years. Our team was alot more experienced than Armagh.
James Reilly. On Panel over 12 years
Oisin Minagh, Killian Brady, Damian Barkey. Pretty inexperienced here
Padraic Reilly, Alan Clarke, John McCutcheon. A lot of experience on this line.
Tomas Corr, Gearoid McKiernan. Corr has been on and off panel over last 7 years, Mckeirnan U-21 winning captin and on senior panel 3/4 years.
Damien O'Reilly, Declan McKiernan, (Mark McKeever. On panel donkeys years)
Cian Mackey, Martin Dunne, Niall McDermott Mackey on panel since 2005, Dunne is most inexperienced in this line. McDermott has been about senior panel a few years.
Now we are nit picking but I say if you are talking truely experienced players you only have Reilly (a keeper), Podge, mackey, McKeever and maybe McCutcheon. How many yrs has Clarke played - not too many I reckon. Tomas Corr was a fringe player for 7 years. The rest are new or 1-2 yrs on the panel, many of which were fringe players too. I don't see a lot of experience in there.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 12, 2013, 09:28:23 PM
Doing Sterling work over on Hoganstand Fred, you must have a bit more free time lately. :)
Some sensible debate required over there, its depressing reading it some times. However - its only 3/4 wums doing the damage. However, its a better spot on here.
I think its not to bad and the youngest on that team would prob be 23 this year.
I made it seven Armagh debutants with Steffan Forker also making his first appearance since 2010 and many of the other players relatively young. The general exchanges were even enough tonight with some comedic Armagh defending for the Cavan goals the difference between the sides.
When was the last time Antrim bate Tyrone at senior level?
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
When was the last time Antrim bate Tyrone at senior level?
20 years, an oul 1993 division 3 tie.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 12, 2013, 11:21:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
When was the last time Antrim bate Tyrone at senior level?
20 years, an oul 1993 division 3 tie.
Where was it played?
Ye got me there!!
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Cavan win 3-09 to 1-11.
Didn't think we played that well and our goals were more bad defending than great forward play but still going to Armagh with such a young inexperienced team and winning should be a boost to our lads heading to the national league.
Enjoyable game Cavan corner forward ( the flame haired guy) was pick of the pkayers on show,
Armagh kickouts very poor as was the defending but all in all some decent performances ,
Both forkers played well, Harold was decent enough/ won't be two despondent .
QuoteSomeone mentioned Stefan Forker made his first appearance since 2010 , thats obviously in the McKenna Cup as he was playing Championship last year and the year before aswell.
Was he?
QuoteHow many lads were Cross missing besides the Cross players?
Cross put up a good performance in the Internet commentary.
Power NI Dr McKenna Cup Tables TONIGHT
P Won Draw Lost F A Pts Scoring
Fermanagh 1 1 0 0 21 13 2 1.615
Monaghan 1 1 0 0 22 12 2 1.333
St Mary's 1 0 0 1 12 16 0 0.750
Donegal 1 0 0 1 13 21 0 0.619
P Won Draw Lost F A Pts Scoring
Down 1 1 0 0 14 12 2 1.166
Cavan 2 1 0 1 30 28 2 1.071
Armagh1 0 1 0 14 18 0 0.777
P Won Draw Lost F A Pts Scoring
Derry 2 1 0 1 31 23 2 1.347
Antrim 1 1 0 0 18 15 2 1.200
Tyrone 1 1 0 0 17 15 2 1.133
UUJ 2 0 0 2 21 34 0 0.617
12 January 2013
Dr McKenna Cup: Armagh 1-11 3-9 Cavan
Cavan registered their first win of this year's McKenna Cup with a four-point victory over Armagh in the Section B game at the Athletic Grounds.
Tomas Corr and Martin Dunne scored goals for Cavan in the opening 17 minutes, before Gavin McParland pulled one back for Armagh before the break.
The visitors led 2-5 to 1-5 at half-time and Dunne added his second goal of the game after 42 minutes.
Armagh midfielder Kieran Toner was red-carded in the last minute of the match.
Toner was dismissed for a second bookable offence.
A more experienced Cavan side led from start to finish against an experimental Armagh outfit, which included seven debutants.
Played in front of a crowd of 2,346, Cavan were always in command after their early goal burst.
Midfielder Corr burst through the middle after a great pass from Cian Mackey and drilled a low long-range shot to the net after seven minutes.
Dunne took advantage of a defensive blunder in the Armagh fullback line to curl the ball past Niall Geoghegan.
Ten minutes elapsed before Armagh got their first score through rookie Niall McConville.
Gearoid McKieran's point stretched Cavan's lead to 2-4 to 0-4 after half an hour.
McParland replied instantly with a goal for Armagh, just minutes after he had moved to full-forward, and the home side trailed by three points at the break.
Armagh made a bright start to the second-half with three points in as many minutes but Dunne's fisted goal after 42 minutes wiped out their good start.
Stefan Forker was impressive for Armagh and hit 0-6, four from frees, while McKiernan hit four from play for Cavan.
The result means that the final game in Section B between Down and Armagh on Wednesday will decide who goes through to the semi-finals of the competition.
Armagh: N Geoghegan; C McKeever, J Donnelly, F Moriarty; N Rowland, A Forker, M Shields; S Harold (0-1), K Toner; G McParland (1-0), N McConville (0-1), E Rafferty; D Carville, S Forker (0-6, 4f), E McVerry (0-1)
Subs: A Duffy for Rowland (23), C Rafferty (0-1) for Carville (29), B Mallon (0-1) for McConville (48), D McKenna for A Forker (59), S Campbell for Mallon (70)
Cavan: J Reilly; O Minagh, K Brady, D Barkey; P Reilly, A Clarke, J McCutcheon; T Corr (1-0), G McKiernan (0-4); D O'Reilly (0-1), D McKiernan, M McKeever; C Mackey, M Dunne (2-2, 2f), N McDermott (0-2, 2f)
Subs : J Hayes for Minagh (34), N Murray for Brady (47), O O'Connell for Dermott (66), D Tighe for O'Reilly (70)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20998906?print=true
McKenna Cup: Derry 1-13 0-6 UUJ
Brian McIver clinched his first win as Derry manager with a 1-13 to 0-6 McKenna Cup Section C success over UUJ at Celtic Park on Saturday night.
The teams traded points early on but Derry led 1-6 to 0-3 at the break thanks to a goal by debutant Ciaran McFaul on the stroke of half-time.
The Oak Leafers extended their lead in the second half with substitute Lee Kennedy among the point scorers.
Enda Lynn and McFaul were also to the fore as Derry ran out 10-point winners.
Eoin Bradley scored the first point of the match, but UUJ replied soon after and an Aaron Devlin point on 19 minutes made it 0-2 apiece.
A Conor McAtamney point edged the home side in front again and further points from Bradley and James Kielt (2) ensured that Derry took control.
Kennedy made an impact after replacing Bradley at the interval.
Derry started the second half brightly and were 1-10 to 0-4 ahead after 46 minutes.
UUJ, who have lost both of their fixtures, face a daunting trip to Healy Park to play Tyrone on Wednesday night, while Derry entertain Antrim.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20998908?print=true
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 12, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: naka on January 12, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Cavan win 3-09 to 1-11.
Didn't think we played that well and our goals were more bad defending than great forward play but still going to Armagh with such a young inexperienced team and winning should be a boost to our lads heading to the national league.
Enjoyable game Cavan corner forward ( the flame haired guy) was pick of the pkayers on show,
Armagh kickouts very poor as was the defending but all in all some decent performances ,
Both forkers played well, Harold was decent enough/ won't be two despondent .
Yeah Martin Dunne, seems to be in good form. Someone mentioned Stefan Forker made his first appearance since 2010 , thats obviously in the McKenna Cup as he was playing Championship last year and the year before aswell. Very good player.
How many lads were Cross missing besides the Cross players?
Stefan Forker left the Armagh panel in 2010. Not sure if he has even played championship football for Armagh. His brother Aidan played last year.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 12, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: naka on January 12, 2013, 11:45:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Cavan win 3-09 to 1-11.
Didn't think we played that well and our goals were more bad defending than great forward play but still going to Armagh with such a young inexperienced team and winning should be a boost to our lads heading to the national league.
Enjoyable game Cavan corner forward ( the flame haired guy) was pick of the pkayers on show,
Armagh kickouts very poor as was the defending but all in all some decent performances ,
Both forkers played well, Harold was decent enough/ won't be two despondent .
Yeah Martin Dunne, seems to be in good form. Someone mentioned Stefan Forker made his first appearance since 2010 , thats obviously in the McKenna Cup as he was playing Championship last year and the year before aswell. Very good player.
How many lads were Cross missing besides the Cross players?
Did he not mean Mackey, wearing 13 but not playing there? I thought he was man of match for us with Gearoid for the 4 "McCabe-like" points
Quote from: Itchy on January 13, 2013, 07:40:47 AM
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Cavan win 3-09 to 1-11.
Didn't think we played that well and our goals were more bad defending than great forward play but still going to Armagh with such a young inexperienced team and winning should be a boost to our lads heading to the national league.
Enjoyable game Cavan corner forward ( the flame haired guy) was pick of the pkayers on show,
Armagh kickouts very poor as was the defending but all in all some decent performances ,
Both forkers played well, Harold was decent enough/ won't be two despondent .
Yeah Martin Dunne, seems to be in good form. Someone mentioned Stefan Forker made his first appearance since 2010 , thats obviously in the McKenna Cup as he was playing Championship last year and the year before aswell. Very good player.
How many lads were Cross missing besides the Cross players?
Did he not mean Mackey, wearing 13 but not playing there? I thought he was man of match for us with Gearoid for the 4 "McCabe-like" points
Yeah flame hair does sound like Mackey alright. Good to see him back on the panel, he was excellent a couple of years in the league and was Cavans top scorer. The year Johnston broke his wrist with DCU.
I only saw 10 seconds when the of the gam,e so was just having a guess at Dunne, screen was no good for me. kept shutting off.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2013, 12:17:54 AM
QuoteSomeone mentioned Stefan Forker made his first appearance since 2010 , thats obviously in the McKenna Cup as he was playing Championship last year and the year before aswell.
Was he?
QuoteHow many lads were Cross missing besides the Cross players?
Cross put up a good performance in the Internet commentary.
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Good stuff, sure maybe leave them on commentary when Cavan play Armagh in the Championship.
Looking forward to see how young McCurry and McAliskey get on today alongside SoN. If they can get a good run going and with Ronan O'Neill and Coney to come back in we could have the makings of a very exciting forward line.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 13, 2013, 11:32:12 AM
Looking forward to see how young McCurry and McAliskey get on today alongside SoN. If they can get a good run going and with Ronan O'Neill and Coney to come back in we could have the makings of a very exciting forward line.
Will this be the new era to challenge for starting positions with the likes of O'Neill and Penrose? Classy looking players and will keep an eye on them
Cavan player was no13 Mackey, as I said great wee player.
Mackey is a fine player. I remember seeing him at u.16 level and knew he would progress to senior. With u.21s over the last few years going well. Prospects in Cavan have to be very positive indeed
This just might be Cavan's year to go all the way.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 13, 2013, 01:28:09 PM
This just might be Cavan's year to go all the way.
yip, the mckenna cup has there name on it.
Could someone stick up regular scores from Tyrone game if they get a chance?
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Cheers GHD.
Tyrone 2-03 Antrim 1-04 at half hr mark.
Tyrone are 2-03 to 1-04 up at half time. Pete Harte with both goals.
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Tyrone are 2-03 to 1-04 up at half time. Pete Harte with both goals.
2-06 1-04 and half time.
Who got Antrim goal?
Tyrone 2-09 Antrim 1-05 10 mins played in the 2nd half
Ty 2-12 A 1-07
D McCurry with 4 points from play.
Donegal 1-5 Monaghan 3-16 in Ballybofey.
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2013, 03:34:30 PM
Donegal 1-5 Monaghan 3-16 in Ballybofey.
Good to see jim is keeping his record up in the McKenna cup ;) now lets wait for everyone saying we have been found out etc. everyone should lump money on st Mary's on wednesday night btw
Tyrone's number 15, Conor McAlliskey, has some speed! Some sublime moves by Stevie, nice mix of old and young.
Tony Scullion gave a bit of foul mouthed abuse to Mickey Harte near the end - wasn't nice.
How did Greencastle's Sean Warnock do Rois? Seemed to do good, according to Teamtalkmag's stream.
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
Tyrone's number 15, Conor McAlliskey, has some speed! Some sublime moves by Stevie, nice mix of old and young.
Tony Scullion gave a bit of foul mouthed abuse to Mickey Harte near the end - wasn't nice.
What was he giving abuse for?
Heard Noel McGinn on about this on the the teamtalkmag stream. No idea what it was about it.
Big surprise and a very pleasant one in the McGrath Cup Quarter Final today - Tipperary 2-9; Cork 1-9. 5 of Tipp's All Ireland Minor team of 2011 made their senior debuts in the game.
Ziggy I think he was fine, but wasn't really watching him too closely, and unless a new one does something very good or very bad, I orob wouldn't remark too much.
Mickey was close to the ref when he gave a dubious free against Tyrone and said something to the ref about it, but Scullion, obv very frustrated at the time, shouted "fcuk up will ye" no less than 4 times amd even turned back to shout it again. Ach it was nothing really, he just looked like a dick as the crowd didn't hear a word from Mickey but then heard Scullion roar back.
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2013, 04:34:09 PM
Ziggy I think he was fine, but wasn't really watching him too closely, and unless a new one does something very good or very bad, I orob wouldn't remark too much.
Mickey was close to the ref when he gave a dubious free against Tyrone and said something to the ref about it, but Scullion, obv very frustrated at the time, shouted "fcuk up will ye" no less than 4 times amd even turned back to shout it again. Ach it was nothing really, he just looked like a dick as the crowd didn't hear a word from Mickey but then heard Scullion roar back.
How dare he speak to Mickey Harte like that the bastard.
Itchy you're so right, am surprised Scullion wasn't lynched as Tyronies would be very protective over St Mickey!
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Itchy you're so right, am surprised Scullion wasn't lynched as Tyronies would be very protective over St Mickey!
No one talks to my Mickey like that! Scullion better watch out.
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Its just terrible i hope he is ok :D
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Its just terrible i hope he is ok :D
Hope you are ok too Tommy, very sensitive on racism, on a bullshit story.
What are you raving about now :D
Quote from: tommysmith on January 13, 2013, 05:37:05 PM
What are you raving about now :D
You know well what I am raving about. :)
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2013, 03:34:30 PM
Donegal 1-5 Monaghan 3-16 in Ballybofey.
Looks like the All Ireland is Monaghan's to loose. :P
If nothing else, we've won an away game. That's one up on 2012!
Any of the Tyrone ones at the game today, could they give us a run down on how the newcomers faired out?
Quote from: Itchy on January 13, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Itchy you're so right, am surprised Scullion wasn't lynched as Tyronies would be very protective over St Mickey!
No one talks to my Mickey like that! Scullion better watch out.
Tony doesnt follow the heard, he says and does what he likes. We werent good today, had plenty of possession but couldnt turn it into scores. Tyrone scored at ease and couldve had a number of goals but for a few great saves from Kerr.
Our full forward line werent great at getting out in front to win ball, prefering to stand still as per the last million years--whilst Tyrone's wee corner forwards were flying out to the ball.
Gave away awful first goal--keeper gave ball to full forward but we somehow got the ball back, only for a defender trying to clear the ball on our goalline being blocked down into our net by P Harte. We got level through a Niblock Penalty )our best player by a distance, roasted C Gormley) but again gave away an easy goal and were a distance behind thereafter.
Tyrone corner forward (McCurry?) looks sharp and scored about 5 points. Lafferty looks a player and scored a point when he came on.
Mick McCann is better out the field--he takes too much out of the ball at full forward. Micko Herron was disapointing at FF, didnt show for the ball. Forwards panicked and ball handling was poor. We're lacking class unfortunately in front of goal--one good score came at start from McVeigh after about 5 quick handpasses but a further pass was on to slip Mick in 1 on 1--too many players freak out and think you have to shoot when you are about 20 yards out when it is the simplist thing to slip another pass--but then there arent many Jamie Clarkes and Oisins out there, players who dont panic and can slow it down (Matrix -style) in their heads when they are close in--we'd another chance near the end when someone (i was too far away to see who) just drove a shot at the keepers hands when clean through on goal.
Best for us: Niblock, Kerr (save for early mistake) and Kevin O'Boyle.
Quote from: Gold on January 13, 2013, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 13, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Itchy you're so right, am surprised Scullion wasn't lynched as Tyronies would be very protective over St Mickey!
No one talks to my Mickey like that! Scullion better watch out.
Tony doesnt follow the heard, he says and does what he likes. We werent good today, had plenty of possession but couldnt turn it into scores. Tyrone scored at ease and couldve had a number of goals but for a few great saves from Kerr.
Our full forward line werent great at getting out in front to win ball, prefering to stand still as per the last million years--whilst Tyrone's wee corner forwards were flying out to the ball.
Gave away awful first goal--keeper gave ball to full forward but we somehow got the ball back, only for a defender trying to clear the ball on our goalline being blocked down into our net by P Harte. We got level through a Niblock Penalty )our best player by a distance, roasted C Gormley) but again gave away an easy goal and were a distance behind thereafter.
Tyrone corner forward (McCurry?) looks sharp and scored about 5 points. Lafferty looks a player and scored a point when he came on.
Mick McCann is better out the field--he takes too much out of the ball at full forward. Micko Herron was disapointing at FF, didnt show for the ball. Forwards panicked and ball handling was poor. We're lacking class unfortunately in front of goal--one good score came at start from McVeigh after about 5 quick handpasses but a further pass was on to slip Mick in 1 on 1--too many players freak out and think you have to shoot when you are about 20 yards out when it is the simplist thing to slip another pass--but then there arent many Jamie Clarkes and Oisins out there, players who dont panic and can slow it down (Matrix -style) in their heads when they are close in--we'd another chance near the end when someone (i was too far away to see who) just drove a shot at the keepers hands when clean through on goal.
Best for us: Niblock, Kerr (save for early mistake) and Kevin O'Boyle.
Is Tomas McCann injured, not listed for the McKenna Cup? Aodhan Gallagher missing aswell.
No sign of Kevin McGourty either, CJ had a operation on a hip I think?
Worrying that Conor Gormley is being roasted - we could be in deeper trouble when the sun's a mite higher in a grey sky.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Its just terrible i hope he is ok :D
Hope you are ok too Tommy, very sensitive on racism, on a bullshit story.
Care to elaborate here??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 13, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 13, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Its just terrible i hope he is ok :D
Hope you are ok too Tommy, very sensitive on racism, on a bullshit story.
Care to elaborate here??
Not particualry no.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 13, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 13, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Its just terrible i hope he is ok :D
Hope you are ok too Tommy, very sensitive on racism, on a bullshit story.
Care to elaborate here??
Not particualry no.
Didn't think so!! Clown.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 13, 2013, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 13, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 13, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
In fairness to Mickey Harte, he had a rough enough week of it, standing over the tyrone player who murdered his father, at the funeral earlier this week. He had enough things to deal with in the past, without something like that.
Its just terrible i hope he is ok :D
Hope you are ok too Tommy, very sensitive on racism, on a bullshit story.
Care to elaborate here??
Not particualry no.
Didn't think so!! Clown.
Good man yourself, I didn't answer your question, so you call me a clown.
I am not going into the details of it as it not for a internet forum.
No worries, anytime.
ARMAGH TEAM TO FACE DOWN ON WEDNESDAY
1. CONOR Mc KEOWN
2. STEPHEN FINNEGAN
3. KIERAN TONER
4. GARY Mc COOEY
5. CIARAN Mc KEEVER
6. JAMES DONNELLY
7. DECLAN Mc KENNA
8. JAMES LAVERY
9. BARRY LOUGHRAN
10. CAOLAN RAFFERTY
11. BRIAN MALLON
12. STEFAN CAMPBELL
13. MICHAEL STEVENSON
14. JOHN KINGHAM
15. STEFAN FORKER
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ARMAGH TEAM TO FACE DOWN ON WEDNESDAY
1. CONOR Mc KEOWN
2. STEPHEN FINNEGAN
3. KIERAN TONER
4. GARY Mc COOEY
5. CIARAN Mc KEEVER
6. JAMES DONNELLY
7. DECLAN Mc KENNA
8. JAMES LAVERY
9. BARRY LOUGHRAN
10. CAOLAN RAFFERTY
11. BRIAN MALLON
12. STEFAN CAMPBELL
13. MICHAEL STEVENSON
14. JOHN KINGHAM
15. STEFAN FORKER
Finegan not good enough for XMG but good enough for Armagh? Even with the questionable attitude, I dont get it.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 13, 2013, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Gold on January 13, 2013, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 13, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Rois on January 13, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Itchy you're so right, am surprised Scullion wasn't lynched as Tyronies would be very protective over St Mickey!
No one talks to my Mickey like that! Scullion better watch out.
Tony doesnt follow the heard, he says and does what he likes. We werent good today, had plenty of possession but couldnt turn it into scores. Tyrone scored at ease and couldve had a number of goals but for a few great saves from Kerr.
Our full forward line werent great at getting out in front to win ball, prefering to stand still as per the last million years--whilst Tyrone's wee corner forwards were flying out to the ball.
Gave away awful first goal--keeper gave ball to full forward but we somehow got the ball back, only for a defender trying to clear the ball on our goalline being blocked down into our net by P Harte. We got level through a Niblock Penalty )our best player by a distance, roasted C Gormley) but again gave away an easy goal and were a distance behind thereafter.
Tyrone corner forward (McCurry?) looks sharp and scored about 5 points. Lafferty looks a player and scored a point when he came on.
Mick McCann is better out the field--he takes too much out of the ball at full forward. Micko Herron was disapointing at FF, didnt show for the ball. Forwards panicked and ball handling was poor. We're lacking class unfortunately in front of goal--one good score came at start from McVeigh after about 5 quick handpasses but a further pass was on to slip Mick in 1 on 1--too many players freak out and think you have to shoot when you are about 20 yards out when it is the simplist thing to slip another pass--but then there arent many Jamie Clarkes and Oisins out there, players who dont panic and can slow it down (Matrix -style) in their heads when they are close in--we'd another chance near the end when someone (i was too far away to see who) just drove a shot at the keepers hands when clean through on goal.
Best for us: Niblock, Kerr (save for early mistake) and Kevin O'Boyle.
Is Tomas McCann injured, not listed for the McKenna Cup? Aodhan Gallagher missing aswell.
No sign of Kevin McGourty either, CJ had a operation on a hip I think?
Gallagher opted out as has cj. Kevin retired from county football.
Not exactly sure with tomas mccann but i think he'll be back.
Tyrone won comfortably enough today. Like most McKenna Cup games there was negatives and positives. My biggest concern is that some of our biggest problems in recent years still seem evident. We can't win clean ball in midfield but we never could. However we currently are really struggling to win the breaking ball in this area. Our half forwards and half backs really seem to struggle to get in the right position and don't put their bodies on the line. We really miss the likes of Dooher, McGinley and Jordan for this. I also still think we really need another strong tight marking tough player in the full back line. The other big thing that has to be sorted this year is the free taking (wasn't too many today). Harte may be prepared to carry Morgan for the long range one's - he scored a 50 easily today. So far Cavanagh and O'Neill have been the preferred options for the closer one's, though both can be unpredictable.
In defence today McNamee hit a couple of great points and looked decent going forward though he did give a couple away. Warnock had an ok debut. Gormley struggled early before injury. McRory was decent enough. Would like another look at McNally.
Thought Cavanagh was very good in open play particularly in the first half. Worked extremely hard and is a huge addition this year if stays fit. Who knows how the Donegal game would have went last year if he and a few of the other injured players had been fit. Thought Kane also played well going forward and was an impressive debut. However, the pairing wouldn't work come championship. Kane I'd imagine would have a better chance in the half forward line at this level.
In the forwards nothing went right at all for McAliskey today and he looked fustrated. O'Neill showed well though certainly doesn't have the scoring threat he once had. The two half forwards were very quiet. Harte was good and got the goals, not often you see someone blocking an attempted clearance into the net. McCurry was excellent - if he gets space at all he's great at getting the score. Hard to know how'd he'd cope with Donegal in championship at this stage but with a bit of bulking up could be a serious forward over next few years.
If I was to pick a championship team now and it could change significantly come championship it would look something like this:
McConnell (though if Morgan proves himself in league could be hard to ignore his scoring ability given our lack of long range free takers)
McRory
Justy (if can ever get him fit)
Carlin
McNamee
Gormley
Clarke
Joe McMahon
Sean Cavanagh
Colm Cavanagh
Harte
Penrose
Coney
O'Neill
Ronan O'Neill/McCurry/Mattie Donnelly depending on how prove themselves in league.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 13, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
Tyrone won comfortably enough today. Like most McKenna Cup games there was negatives and positives. My biggest concern is that some of our biggest problems in recent years still seem evident. We can't win clean ball in midfield but we never could. However we currently are really struggling to win the breaking ball in this area. Our half forwards and half backs really seem to struggle to get in the right position and don't put their bodies on the line. We really miss the likes of Dooher, McGinley and Jordan for this. I also still think we really need another strong tight marking tough player in the full back line. The other big thing that has to be sorted this year is the free taking (wasn't too many today). Harte may be prepared to carry Morgan for the long range one's - he scored a 50 easily today. So far Cavanagh and O'Neill have been the preferred options for the closer one's, though both can be unpredictable.
In defence today McNamee hit a couple of great points and looked decent going forward though he did give a couple away. Warnock had an ok debut. Gormley struggled early before injury. McRory was decent enough. Would like another look at McNally.
Thought Cavanagh was very good in open play particularly in the first half. Worked extremely hard and is a huge addition this year if stays fit. Who knows how the Donegal game would have went last year if he and a few of the other injured players had been fit. Thought Kane also played well going forward and was an impressive debut. However, the pairing wouldn't work come championship. Kane I'd imagine would have a better chance in the half forward line at this level.
In the forwards nothing went right at all for McAliskey today and he looked fustrated. O'Neill showed well though certainly doesn't have the scoring threat he once had. The two half forwards were very quiet. Harte was good and got the goals, not often you see someone blocking an attempted clearance into the net. McCurry was excellent - if he gets space at all he's great at getting the score. Hard to know how'd he'd cope with Donegal in championship at this stage but with a bit of bulking up could be a serious forward over next few years.
Agree with all of that. Headed home before the end but I thought McNally did rightly on his man although, as you said, you'd want a look at him against another top forward.
What's the latest news on Justy, Kyle and Ronan?
Joey seems to look different every year I see him
Well done teamtalkMag for those wee videos.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/ (http://www.teamtalkmag.com/)
What county is Doyle from?
Hogan Stand Football Team of the Week
14 January 2013
Tipperary's Barry Grogan
There were a number of outstanding individual performances on the gaelic football fields over the course of the weekend. Hoganstand.com selects its Football Team of the Week.
1. Cathal McCrann (Leitrim)
Leitrim netminder McCrann was in top form as Leitrim score a surprise FBD Connacht League victory over All-Ireland finalists Mayo.
2. Alan Wynne (Leitrim)
Alan Wynne was also a contender for the 'man-of-the-match' accolade in Ballinamore.
3. Michael Foley (Kildare)
Foley, along with fellow defenders Mikey Conway and Emmet Bolton, performed impressively in the Lilywhites win over Wexford.
4. Caolan Young (Meath)
The corner-back roles have proven troublesome for Meath to fill in recent years but Young is one of a number of options now available to new manager Mick O'Dowd.
5. Sean Pender (Offaly)
Sean Pender and his Offaly team-mates restricted Westmeath to a solitary point in the second half of the O'Byrne Cup clash in Mullingar.
6. Paudge McWalter (Wicklow)
McWalter held Kevin McManamon scoreless as Wicklow enjoyed a rare success over a weakened Dublin outfit.
7. Brian Doyle (St Mary's)
St Mary's were on the receiving end of a 13-point defeat to Fermanagh but wing-back Doyle hit 1-2 of their 1-5 total.
8. Gearoid McKiernan (Cavan)
The physically imposing midfielder registered four points from play as Cavan got the better of hosts Armagh.
9. Ryan Jones (Fermanagh)
The Derrygonnelly clubman laid the foundations for his team's comfortable McKenna Cup success over St Mary's UC.
10. Kieran Hughes (Monaghan)
Was an effective link man between defence and attack and helped himself to five points as Monaghan overcame Donegal in Ballybofey.
11. Ciaran McFaul (Derry)
The 18 year old will remember his intercounty debut after hitting 1-1 in a fine individual display.
12. Andy McDonnell (Louth)
McDonnell was to the fore as Louth booked their place in the last four of the O'Byrne Cup with a 11-point victory over Longford in Drogheda.
13. Darren McCurry (Tyrone)
Five points from play was a profitable return from the Red Hand County's number 13 against Antrim.
14. Barry Grogan (Tipperary)
Grogan was on target with 1-6, the goal arriving via the penalty spot, as Tipperary scored a long-awaited competitive football win over McGrath Cup holders Cork.
15. Colm Kelly (Laois)
Colm Kelly was in inspired form as he sent over nine points in the O'Moore County's convincing O'Byrne Cup win over Athlone IT
He's a Derry man. From the Loup club!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 13, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
Tyrone won comfortably enough today. Like most McKenna Cup games there was negatives and positives. My biggest concern is that some of our biggest problems in recent years still seem evident. We can't win clean ball in midfield but we never could. However we currently are really struggling to win the breaking ball in this area. Our half forwards and half backs really seem to struggle to get in the right position and don't put their bodies on the line. We really miss the likes of Dooher, McGinley and Jordan for this. I also still think we really need another strong tight marking tough player in the full back line. The other big thing that has to be sorted this year is the free taking (wasn't too many today). Harte may be prepared to carry Morgan for the long range one's - he scored a 50 easily today. So far Cavanagh and O'Neill have been the preferred options for the closer one's, though both can be unpredictable.
In defence today McNamee hit a couple of great points and looked decent going forward though he did give a couple away. Warnock had an ok debut. Gormley struggled early before injury. McRory was decent enough. Would like another look at McNally.
Thought Cavanagh was very good in open play particularly in the first half. Worked extremely hard and is a huge addition this year if stays fit. Who knows how the Donegal game would have went last year if he and a few of the other injured players had been fit. Thought Kane also played well going forward and was an impressive debut. However, the pairing wouldn't work come championship. Kane I'd imagine would have a better chance in the half forward line at this level.
In the forwards nothing went right at all for McAliskey today and he looked fustrated. O'Neill showed well though certainly doesn't have the scoring threat he once had. The two half forwards were very quiet. Harte was good and got the goals, not often you see someone blocking an attempted clearance into the net. McCurry was excellent - if he gets space at all he's great at getting the score. Hard to know how'd he'd cope with Donegal in championship at this stage but with a bit of bulking up could be a serious forward over next few years.
Meant to say the only player on the team who looked capable of picking up breaking ball was Lafferty when he came on. Performed well after being wasteful last week. Maybe he'll get a go further out the pitch on Wednesday night. Wonder will Harte play most of the new players on Wednesday given that Jordanstown have been weak.
Any word on Tyrone team?
Tyrone team to play UUJ
Comórtas: Corn Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Ollscoil Baile Shurtáin
Ionad: Páirc Uí hÉilí, An Omaigh
Dáta: 16-01-13
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 Barry Tierney An Omaigh
3 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mhór
4 Dean McNally Cill Dhreasa
5 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
8 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
11 Jonathan Lafferty Urnaí
12 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
13 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
14 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
15 Conor McAlliskey Cluain Eo
16 John Devine Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Mattie Donnelly Trí Leac
18 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
19 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
20 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
22 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
23 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
24 Sean Warnock An Caisleán Glas
25 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
26 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
Good to see Coney and Justy on bench. Thought he might have experimented even more and maybe give Cavanagh a break.
Glad to see Justy and Kyle back into the fold alright
Is Ronan O'Neill training or out injured still?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
Glad to see Justy and Kyle back into the fold alright
Is Ronan O'Neill training or out injured still?
Due back around March AFAIK.
Glad to see Cathal McCarron getting a run at Full back. Never fancied him in the half back line last year. He's only 25 now - the ideal age really for a No. 3
Seen him have a few tough days at full back a few years ago (v Paddy Bradley in a league game sticks out in my mind) but he's played his best football for Tyrone in the fullback line as well (v Monaghan 2010 Ulster Final)
I think he's come on since then & with Justys injury problems I think he deserves a good sustained run in the position. Conor Clark obviously a good option as well.
Quote from: God14 on January 16, 2013, 09:05:25 AM
Glad to see Cathal McCarron getting a run at Full back. Never fancied him in the half back line last year. He's only 25 now - the ideal age really for a No. 3
Seen him have a few tough days at full back a few years ago (v Paddy Bradley in a league game sticks out in my mind) but he's played his best football for Tyrone in the fullback line as well (v Monaghan 2010 Ulster Final)
I think he's come on since then & with Justys injury problems I think he deserves a good sustained run in the position. Conor Clark obviously a good option as well.
25? Always thought he was older, must have been brought onto the tyrone panel very young. Classy footballer comfortable on the ball and a great asset down the wings.
Any updates on Justin? Highly rated him as the best full back in ulster but havent seen much of him lately? Has he been riddled with injuries?
Donegal
Down
Fermanagh
Derry
Tyrone
£10 gets £98 back..
Donegal v st.marys was a toss of a coin
Down have a lot more experience on the pitch tonight compared to Armagh
Monaghan have made 11 changes
Other 2 are self explaitory
Some match previews here if anyone's interested:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/mckenna-cup-final-group-game-preview-2/
monaghan fermanagh game throw in now 8pm
Current standings
Section A P Won Draw Lost Pts Pts Pts Scoring For Against Average
Monaghan 2 2 0 0 4 41 20 2.050
Fermanagh 2 2 0 0 4 42 21 2.000
St Marys 2 0 0 2 0 20 37 0.541
Donegal 2 0 0 2 0 21 46 0.457
Section B P Won Draw Lost Pts Pts Pts Scoring For Against Average
Down 1 1 0 0 2 14 12 1.167
Cavan 2 1 0 1 2 30 28 1.071
Armagh 1 0 0 1 0 14 18 0.778
Section C P Won Draw Lost Pts Pts Pts Scoring For Against Average
Tyrone 2 2 0 0 4 36 28 1.286
Derry 2 1 0 1 2 32 23 1.391
Antrim 2 1 0 1 2 31 34 0.912
UUJ 2 0 0 2 0 21 35 0.600
So Armagh need to win by 7 points to go through?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2013, 05:47:24 PM
So Armagh need to win by 7 points to go through?
Yeah, pretty much. Think we'd also go through with a six point win provided we restricted Down to nine points or fewer. Unfortunatley, we're more likely to lose by six or seven.
Quote from: AFS on January 16, 2013, 06:08:45 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2013, 05:47:24 PM
So Armagh need to win by 7 points to go through?
Yeah, pretty much. Think we'd also go through with a six point win provided we restricted Down to nine points or fewer. Unfortunatley, we're more likely to lose by six or seven.
That armagh team doesnt look that bad.
What is the down team??
Down team vs Armagh: Cunningham McAnulty, McArdle, Boyle, Rooney, Carr, McKibben, Gough, McKernan, D Turley, Poland, Coulter, Doyle, Harrison, McComiskey
Tyrone 0-4 UUJ 0-4 after 20 mins
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2013, 07:53:13 PM
Tyrone 0-4 UUJ 0-4 after 20 mins
All 8 scores from Tyrone men.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 16, 2013, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2013, 07:53:13 PM
Tyrone 0-4 UUJ 0-4 after 20 mins
All 8 scores from Tyrone men.
Tyrone 1-5 (Cavanagh goal. McAliskey misses penalty)
UUJ 0-6
Tyrone 1-9
UUJ 0-7
HT
Down 1-07 Armagh 0-04 HT
Tyrone 1-12 Jordanstown 0-08 10 mins played
1-15 0-8
Antrim winning 1-7 to 0-5 in Derry
Finished 1-18 to 0-9. Cavanagh with 1-5 I think.
down 2-11 armagh 1-10 FT
any word on antrim derry
Finished a draw.
Full time: Monaghan 1-12 Fermanagh 0-7
What way is it now?
Tyrone/Fermanagh ??
Down/Monaghan ??
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2013, 09:43:48 PM
What way is it now?
Tyrone/Fermanagh ??
Down/Monaghan ??
Looks like it. When these due to be played?
at the weekend down monaghan for armagh
Pretty sure that's it. They're down for Sunday. Potential double header in Armagh again maybe? Some impressive enough performances tonight but wouldn't read too much into it against limited opposition. Cavanagh looks in great shape with the shooting boots on. Thought Lafferty and Gallagher were very good at winning ball around the middle. McKenna scored a couple of nice points and sure he'll get more goes.
This Sunday I think.
Double header in Armagh. Down Monaghan at 2, Tyrone Fermanagh at 3.45.
Ahh, another clash with the 'sleeping giants' of Ulster football.. I know it's early days and all that but I hope the watch the video of the championship meeting at the same venue last year (this is the first time I've been able to address this topic openly btw.. :)) Two teams who seem to be in scoring form, should be a good one.. Glad to see Finlay back in the Monaghan squad and also to see some of the newer players impressing so far.
For any of ye that have been to the Tyrone games, so far which of the new comers have stood for ye.
Is young McAliskey in with a shout?
A few of ye seem to think Lafferty could be a descent enough half forward.
Am I right to say Cassidy & Sean O'Neill out til the summer if not longer?
Cassidy & red Sean dropped no?
Cassidy - if fully fit - could well be back come the summer. I dont think there are that many options here despite the 38man squad. Even last night there, Conor Clark looks more at home in the defense. Sean Cav is an awesome No. 14 but still doesnt win enough clean ball at Midfield. Plunkett Kane looks useful in the half forwards, but not really the imposing presence we want in the middle. In Fairness Colm Cavanagh will be available in Feb.
No need to try Sean O'Neill in the half back line again, exposed far too often defensively IMHO.
If the games go ahead (weather permitting) they are being streamed live on Armaghtv website. :)
Interesting development that - the live streaming & one I hope more counties adopt in future. Particularily good for the the exiles etc, however I could swear there was a directive from Croke Park only 12months ago outlining their opposition to the process & telling the respective County Boards to desist from it.
Presumably something to do with selling broadcast rights
Also - Jerome Quinn used to do a great job on these McKenna Cup matches. Does anyone know why he no longer covers them? He seens to focus on Ladies GAA, Colleges & also Gaels abroad...
im assuming Destination Newry will have the down Monaghan game live. Commentry poor but picture is grand. Might show Tyrone game also
Quote from: snoopdog on January 18, 2013, 02:01:43 PM
im assuming Destination Newry will have the down Monaghan game live. Commentry poor but picture is grand. Might show Tyrone game also
Armagh official site says that the Ulster Council have not given anyone permission to show either game live.
It's difficult to see any football being played this weekend, unless Armagh has somehow missed the worst of the blizzards. Hopefully there will be a Saturday inspection, with the option of a postponement unitl midweek looking likely.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2013, 05:05:31 PM
It's difficult to see any football being played this weekend, unless Armagh has somehow missed the worst of the blizzards. Hopefully there will be a Saturday inspection, with the option of a postponement unitl midweek looking likely.
No snow lying in Armagh yet.
Most of the country still seems badly hit by the snow - any more reports from Armagh ?
Doesn't seem to be any snow lying in Armagh city. You'd imagine at this stage the games will go ahead.
Any radio stations with commentary online from the semi-finals?
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on January 20, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
Any radio stations with commentary online from the semi-finals?
http://www.northernsound.ie/ have will updates and some live coverage during the games.
A narrow win for Monaghan - the Down GAA Twitter gives the final score as Monaghan 1-12 Down 0-13. Down led for most of the game but when Keith Quinn was sent off for a second yellow mid-way through the second half Monaghan seem to have finished the stronger side.
The Tyrone and Fermanagh game is being covered on
www.teamtalkmag.com
Tyrone 1-5 Fermanagh 0-3 at half time.
(Kane 1-0, Cavanagh 0-2, O'Neill 0-1, Gallagher 0-1, Penrose 0-1)
(D Keenan 0-3)
Tyrone laboured to a 2-09 to 0-7 win. Goal from Kane on stroke of ht gave us a cushion that Fermanagh never really looked like pulling back.
Second half saw a lot of aimless ball into forwards or poor shots from distance.
Sean C poss the best on show for Tyrone. MoM whoever the no11 for Ferm was.
Looked bad enough injury for Block.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 20, 2013, 06:18:31 PM
Looked bad enough injury for Block.
Finger in the eye, apparently.
The final is next Sat.night in Armagh. Throw in 7.30.pm.
Great start for Malachy O'Rourke and Monaghan, it may only be the McKenna Cup but he has had a good look at a range of players while mantaining the balance of the regular spine of the team. 3 very convincing wins in the group has been furthered by yesterdays win and importantly, they came from behind to do so. Shows confidence and mentality.
The league will be a big test and very important to secure promotion before the championship. Long way to go but a positive start.
To be honest I think Tyrone will hockey them in the final.
Quote from: rrhf on January 21, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
To be honest I think Tyrone will hockey them in the final.
Thats that so, we'll pull the final so and save everyone the bother.
Quote from: rrhf on January 21, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
To be honest I think Tyrone will hockey them in the final.
tyrone didnt hockey fermanagh. they might beat monaghan but not hockey them.
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on January 21, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 21, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
To be honest I think Tyrone will hockey them in the final.
tyrone didnt hockey fermanagh. they might beat monaghan but not hockey them.
To be fair given the conditions an 8 point win is getting close. Tyrone migt have been brutal but its still a big win. Unless there's forwards missing wouldn't hold out much hope for Fermanagh this year. Offered very little up front.
I'm due to be up in Letterkenny for a christening this Saturday. Can't see myself making it to Armagh for Sat night. Is there any hope it could be put on til Sunday just for me?
Seriously is there much snow up there this week?
What's the latest on Block's injury?
I wonder will Mickey field his strongest team for the final or continue to mix and match.
QuoteSeriously is there much snow up there this week?
There won't be much snow by Saturday, but a storm is a coming.
is TG4 showing mckenna cup final saturday??
Tyrone Team announced:
Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
Conor Clarke An Omaigh
Barry Tierney An Omaigh
Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
Joe McMahon An Omaigh
Danny McBride An Srath Ban
Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
Conor McAlliskey Cluain Eo
Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna Eaglais
Justin McMahon An Omaigh
Dean McNally Cill Dhreasa
Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
Sean Warnock An Caisleán Glas
Pretty 50 50 game on Saturday with that team. I'd imagine Monaghan will play a fairly experienced team and sounds like they would all like to get the medal. Tyrone have 6 players starting who are in their first year of county football. McNamee also only played one game in his 1st year last year due to injury. Its good to see the players getting the opportunity and hopefully they can deliver a performance.
In recent years I've felt the new players coming into the team just haven't had the same fight as the old guard. So would like to see the new players really going for it. Again I'd also have liked to have seen someone different in midfield cause just don't think Cavanagh and Kane will work against a stronger team but both offer a lot going forward.
Would also like to see a we bit more from Mattie Donnelly going forward. When he plays for Tyrone he operates very defensively. I'd like to see him tracking back but also getting forward and getting a few scores.
Quote from: nothingbettertobeat on January 24, 2013, 12:36:26 PM
is TG4 showing mckenna cup final saturday??
Doesn't look like it:
SPORT ON TG4 - THIS WEEKMonday, 21.01.13
GAA Handball Show - 20:30
GAA 2012 Na Scéalta - 21:00
Tuesday, 22.01.13
Cluichí na Bliana - 01:00
Saturday, 26.01.13
GAA Handball Show - 10:40
GAA 2012 Na Scéalta - 11:10
Sunday, 27.01.13
Laochra Gael - Na Coimhlintí 14:00
All Ireland Gold - 14:30
GAA Sna 80í - 16:35
You'd have to strongly fancy big dick clerkin & owen lennon to clean up in the middle of the park there
Paul Finlay kicking the free's. McManus & you Kieran Hughes will ask a few questions of Tyrones full back line
Monaghan looked fit the last day, finished the game very strongly v's Down
11/4 tasty price.
Finlay starts for Monaghan: http://www.hoganstand.com/monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=184294
Never mind that, the young Clones rookie gets the nod at fullback for the unenviable task of marking SON, handy..
Looking at those teams, Monaghan should have a decent chance.
Did ye all read Brian McGuigan's article in the GL this week about how Monaghan always come into Tyrone games as favourites. Interesting how many Omagh lads in the squad now. Wonder how young Clarke will do this year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2013, 11:59:18 PM
Did ye all read Brian McGuigan's article in the GL this week about how Monaghan always come into Tyrone games as favourites.
I didn't see that. He may have said that but I doubt many would believe it, including the bookies who have Monaghan at 11/4..
I read on another forum that: 'Brian McGuigan said in an article in the Gaelic Life that Tyrone knew they would beat Monaghan and the Monaghan boys always knew they would lose to Tyrone.'
Contrasting perceptions on the same article in my opinion..
Tyrone have beaten Monaghan when it matters in the last 10/15years so I don't think many grounded Monaghan fans will get too carried away or ahead of themselves. :-\
Quote from: Maguire01 on January 25, 2013, 08:26:08 PM
Looking at those teams, Monaghan should have a decent chance.
There's plenty of experience through the middle but I'd be concerned about our full back line to be honest. If O'Neill and Donnelly get any kind of right ball they could do harm.. but then again so could McManus and Kieran Hughes!
Mid-field will be where it's won and lost, to use a trite cliche!
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 26, 2013, 12:12:40 AM
Tyrone have beaten Monaghan when it matters in the last 10/15years so I don't think many grounded Monaghan fans will get too carried away or ahead of themselves. :-\
He (Mc Guigan) did say that for the 2003 Mc Kenna Cup Final, with the same teams involved, and for which he was injured, that Monaghan turned us over (rather unexpectedly), but that that was the springboard for unprecedented Tyrone success later in the year.
I could live with a repeat scenario. ;)
Quotethat Monaghan turned us over (rather unexpectedly), but that that was the springboard for unprecedented Tyrone success later in the year.
So the path of the entire 2003 championship was determined by Monaghan beating Tyrone in the McKenna cup and beating Armagh in the first round in Ulster.
They should never have won in 03, we should have had a penalty and Marsden got sent off because a tyrone man, as only they can do, ran at him and then dived like he was shot when Marsden was only defending himself.
Quote.They should never have won in 03, we should have had a penalty and Marsden got sent off because a tyrone man, as only they can do, ran at him and then dived like he was shot when Marsden was only defending himself.
Not biting ;)
But a nice try to be fair.
Quote from: stew on January 26, 2013, 02:39:40 AM
They should never have won in 03, we should have had a penalty and Marsden got sent off because a tyrone man, as only they can do, ran at him and then dived like he was shot when Marsden was only defending himself.
Yawn! There are probably relevant threads buried in the annals of this website if you want to continue on your road to recovery... ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 25, 2013, 11:59:18 PM
Did ye all read Brian McGuigan's article in the GL this week about how Monaghan always come into Tyrone games as favourites.
The only game where Monaghan went in as any kind of favourites was the 2010 Ulster Final - and even then, it was marginal.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 26, 2013, 12:12:40 AM
I read on another forum that: 'Brian McGuigan said in an article in the Gaelic Life that Tyrone knew they would beat Monaghan and the Monaghan boys always knew they would lose to Tyrone.'
Apart from a league win a few years ago in Inniskeen.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 26, 2013, 12:12:40 AM
Tyrone have beaten Monaghan when it matters in the last 10/15years so I don't think many grounded Monaghan fans will get too carried away or ahead of themselves. :-\
Yep, we've definitely had a mental block when it comes to Tyrone, but if Monaghan look at the Tyrone line-up, it's a different team.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 26, 2013, 12:20:41 AM
He (Mc Guigan) did say that for the 2003 Mc Kenna Cup Final, with the same teams involved, and for which he was injured, that Monaghan turned us over (rather unexpectedly), but that that was the springboard for unprecedented Tyrone success later in the year.
I suppose then that the league defeat for Tyrone in Inniskillen 2010 had more the feel of a trapdoor about it, than a springboard.
Regardless, you know where you can shove that springboard ;D
Don't know if this was asked on the thread or not? Is the game being streamed?
Don't think so Onion. I would hope that I'm wrong though.. Northern Sound radio are covering.
I'd say the ulster council have cost themselves a lot of money playing the match tonight instead of tomorrow. A dark wet January night will put a lot of travellling. Gives a decent day tomoorow to. Hopefully Tyrone can get 1st cup of the season anyway!
link?
northernsound.ie or teamtalkmag - tick yer pick
1-01 Mon, 0-02 Tyr. 13 mins played
1-02 Mon, 0-03 Tyr.
Tyrone seem to be fouling a lot, unnecessarily by the sound of it.. Mon 1-03, Tyr 0-02
Mon 1-03, Tyr0-03. A classic SON point..
Mon 1-03, Tyr 0-05. SON free.
Mon 1-03, Tyr 1-05. Mark Donnelly goal.
Mon 1-04, Tyr 1-05. Eoin Duffy point
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 26, 2013, 07:53:54 PM
Tyrone seem to be fouling a lot, unnecessarily by the sound of it.. Mon 1-03, Tyr 0-02
According to Northern Sound. Teamtalk on the other hand are accusing Monaghan of a lot of cynical fouling ;D
Goal towards the end of the half gives Tyrone a six point lead at half time 2-7 1-4
Mon 1-04, Tyr 2-07. SON goal. Mon down to 14 men... Not good!
QuoteMon 1-04, Tyr 2-07. SON goal. Mon down to 14 men... Not good![/quote
Not good? It's great! :)
Good start to second half from Tyrone, now ahead 3-8 to 1-4.
Quote from: Main Street on January 26, 2013, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 26, 2013, 12:20:41 AM
He (Mc Guigan) did say that for the 2003 Mc Kenna Cup Final, with the same teams involved, and for which he was injured, that Monaghan turned us over (rather unexpectedly), but that that was the springboard for unprecedented Tyrone success later in the year.
I suppose then that the league defeat for Tyrone in Inniskillen 2010 had more the feel of a trapdoor about it, than a springboard.
Regardless, you know where you can shove that springboard ;D
Whatever :P
(Tyrone 4-11 Monaghan 1-10 #McKennaCup2013)
Tyrone 4-11 Monaghan 1-10 FT. A successful McKenna Cup for Tyrone with plenty of new players coming in and doing well. Hopefully the benefits of getting these games under their belt will stand to them in the league in the weeks ahead.
wow that's some scoreline. Who got all those goals? Was it very open or just we punished the sending off
S O'N MOTM -- it's been a while!
Sean Kavanagh was Nudie Hughes' choice.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
wow that's some scoreline. Who got all those goals? Was it very open or just we punished the sending off
Obviously the late penalty put a false gloss on the scoreline
Quote from: Main Street on January 26, 2013, 09:52:15 PM
Sean Kavanagh was Nudie Hughes' choice.
E theQuote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
wow that's some scoreline. Who got all those goals? Was it very open or just we punished the sending off
Obviously the late penalty put a false gloss on the scoreline
Ok take the penalty away, pretend it doesn't count, still 7 pts in a final is healthy hammering.
10 points and it could have been more. Despite letting 4 goals in Keogh actually had a decent enough game - that tells its own story. Monaghan played against a massive wind in the first half and with the sending off just before half time and 6 points down, it was never looking likely. A depressing night, given that the core of our first 15 were out there tonight.
Quote from: Man Marker on January 26, 2013, 10:05:43 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 26, 2013, 09:52:15 PM
Sean Kavanagh was Nudie Hughes' choice.
E theQuote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
wow that's some scoreline. Who got all those goals? Was it very open or just we punished the sending off
Obviously the late penalty put a false gloss on the scoreline
Ok take the penalty away, pretend it doesn't count, still 7 pts in a final is healthy hammering.
Really? thanks for the literal explanation,
I never would have worked that one out ;D
Can't find a match report anywhere but just read the scores on twitter there. How did Clarke do? Was he marking McManus
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2013, 10:45:49 PM
Can't find a match report anywhere but just read the scores on twitter there. How did Clarke do? Was he marking McManus
Subbed early on - couldn't handle McManus.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 26, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
S O'N MOTM -- it's been a while!
Class is permanent, Strabane man, class is permanent... One of the best I've seen, and always a joy to watch in the white/red shirt!
Quote from: red hander on January 26, 2013, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 26, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
S O'N MOTM -- it's been a while!
Class is permanent, Strabane man, class is permanent... One of the best I've seen, and always a joy to watch in the white/red shirt!
Yep, and a great Strabane (suburbs) man he is himself! ;)
Eh? Are ye gonna claim the Newton and Aghyaran players now as well Fear. What's the story with Freeman this year?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2013, 11:38:41 PM
Eh? Are ye gonna claim the Newton and Aghyaran players now as well Fear. What's the story with Freeman this year?
Was waiting for that! :D (Only when it suits ;)).
Think Clarke really needs to settle into 1 position and try to make that his own.
It's not MF as he's just that wee bit too slow. FB seemed to be the place but he really needs another run of games there. Seemed to struggle there tonight
Thought mcA was excellent. Showed well, took some excellent points. Pick of the forwards (inc SoN)
McBride was also v good. Understated, but did the simple things well and kept the ball moving.
Good performance from Tyrone tonight and with RoN, Coney, mcNabb etc to come back.....things are looking brighter.
MF will still be the problem. Surely Justy must be worth a run there???
After a disappointing display last week that was pleasing tonight given the amount of new faces involved. We won a lot more breaking ball tonight which was pleasing and a lot of the new boys including McBride and McAliskey showed up well. McAliskey scored a couple of nice points, I'm not convinced he's quite ready yet for county football in terms of ball winning ability but deserves more chances in the league.
Another very impressive display from Cavanagh who got through a lot of work. I personally think if we could get both McMahons fit that one of them should partner him in the middle and the other go to centre half back. Mattie Donnelly also picked up a good bit of ball and Mark Donnelly obviously got the scores. Will leave Harte with a few difficult decisions next week and even more in the weeks ahead if he can get everybody back fit.
; ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 26, 2013, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 26, 2013, 11:38:41 PM
Eh? Are ye gonna claim the Newton and Aghyaran players now as well Fear. What's the story with Freeman this year?
Was waiting for that! :D (Only when it suits ;)).
Jaysus, this east Tyrone boy didnnt mean to start a row with youse westies!!! The guy's a legend east or west!!!!!
Quote from: red hander on January 27, 2013, 12:47:38 AM
Jaysus, this east Tyrone boy didnnt mean to start a row with youse westies!!! The guy's a legend east or west!!!!!
No worries,
Fuzzman well knows that I know that he (and Stevie) are a good mountain or two away from Strabane's river valley! ;)
I sure do. Yis kicked him & Dooher enough around yer valley pitch. ;D Is Rory McIlroy from the 'head of the town now as well? Lol
Yeah it all sounds good at the moment with so many 'promising' young lads coming through, Coney & Ronan O'Neill there from last year or two, big Sean & Stevie showing they can still turn it on, Justy & Colm two big men still to come back it all looks very bright. However, the Gaelic instinct in us stops some us getting too carried away. As we saw last year, if you're not strong, super fit and prepared to lay your body on the line for the team then having a bunch of talent won't be enough. Our midfield strategy still seems to be one of forget winning clean ball there and play two guys that can run all day & take scores. Has the defence tightened up or have we just not been really tested so far? We can no longer put Block on people like Gooch and expect miracles but of course I know sweepers & defensive strategies will be used instead which have served us well in the past. In Mickey we trust. I think rebuilding is going well
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 27, 2013, 08:56:33 AM
I sure do. Yis kicked him & Dooher enough around yer valley pitch. ;D Is Rory McIlroy from the 'head of the town now as well? Lol
Don't be so ridiculous... everyone knows that Holywood (Co. Down) is Ballycolman, not Head of the Town! :P ;)
You grossly underestimate the spread of suburban Strabane (when it suits)
Fuzzman. :)
I haven't had the time to post since the game on Saturday night.
All in all, a useful McKenna Cup run out over the past few weeks with a few good additions to the panel for the league but not many positives to take from the final accept to acknowledge the gap that exists between the top tier and ourselves. But still, a promising league should set us up nicely for a run in Ulster in the summer.
The game itself was a done deal by just after half time, not that Tyrone were exceptional in the first half but the nature of the two goals before half time and the sending off in-between finished it at as a contest. In that respect of that I'd like to comment on the nature of a startling percentage of Tyrone supporters in relation to their conduct throughout the entire game but most alarmingly the second half.
First of all, the McKenna cup is a competition that attracts only those fans who really wish to get the intercounty scene going as early as possible. No bandwagon starts in January so it's fair to say that those in attendance last Saturday night are the "hardcore" county support. And given the weather conditions they must be applauded for doing so. (Think I heard the announcer say 5/6 thousand were in attendance and judging by the support around me in the stand Id conservatively say 70% were of Tyrone support). But that by no way makes up for the tone and general attitude of some of these supporters that has made me post this.
Quite simply, I have never heard language and abuse (directed at a referee) of this nature at a McKenna Cup game. I accept that the refereeing performance was not of the highest quality or consistency and many dubious free/decisions were awarded in the first half, many in favour of Monaghan. Tyrone weren't playing great in the first half and two defensive errors lead to the goals, so by half time (despite being 2-7 to 1-4 down), the game wasn't completely finished. So on that point ill pardon some of the vented anger that was on show.
The second half though is where emotion and anger could not be defended and can only be described as abuse. Again to put into context, this sort of behaviour is par for the course during championship when so much is at stake and blow-ins arrive on the terraces and tarnish the good name of the real supporter. We all have them, and we all see it, but a pre-season final in January does not merit the same tone as high summer. The game was over within 5 min of the second half with Tyrone scoring 1-1. 9 points up against a Div 3 team with 14 men and 30 minutes to play, well most fans would sit back start talking about the local scandal!. But oh no, still every contact with any of their players resulted in an awful outcry of injustice, and profanities hurled at the ref. I won't even quote examples, but there were many and from all around me, and being from Derry didn't help the man in black. And from talking to other fans around the ground, my experience wasn't an isolated one. In general there was a siege mentality in that stand (or my side of it) at a level that I have never witnessed before at the McKenna Cup.
I'm not wishing to tar all Tyrone supporters with same brush. Living and working on the border I would normally have nothing but praise for the Tyrone football people in my area but whatever was in the air last Saturday night was not something I ever associated with the O`Neill county. Maybe it was just blowing off winter cobwebs but it wasn't a pretty sight.
Anyway here's hoping for a fruitful league for the Farney in the coming weeks and months!.
Im from Tyrone and i cannot stand beside a lot of Tyrone supporters! You will find though that they are generally people who have never played the game, dont have any affiliation to clubs, dont do anything for the GAA in general apart from pay club membership (in order to have a chance of a ticket if Tyrone get to all ireland!!). In short they dont understand the GAA so they behave like soccer supporters as that is what they see on tv!!!
I accept your comments 'upmonaghansayswe' & unfortunately, like all counties, we do indeed have a nasty element amongst our hard core support.
However I'd like to point out that this particular referee has history with Tyrone. He's a fairly young & inexperiened ref - however he getting bigger & bigger games this past couple of years ~ firstly McRory Finals there about 2yrs ago, and now onto the intercounty stage
In particular - he effectively dediced the outcome of the Ulster U21 final last year, which I attented. His performance that night was a truely shocking performance of refereeing.
Indeed he needed an escort to get out of McHale park in Mayo last year, as he ballsed that match up as well. Conor Mortimor had plenty to say about him on twitter.
And guess what - he's down to referee Tyrone V Down on Saturday night.
It was a shocking performance from the ref and a ten point win and sending off 2 Monaghan players (one he had no choice as linesman made the call) didn't hide his clear bias. And this was not a one off with Tyrone. I think that explains why the crowd were angry despite the result. Its ridiculous he's been given this Saturdays game as well. However, I would agree that some of the abuse was over the top and not justified. All counties have unreasonable loud supporters and we seem to have our fair share.
I would disagree however that the majority of Tyrone supporters their aren't true gaa fans or are linked to clubs. Tyrone probably has one of the largest group of hard core fans in Ireland and I'd imagine most are linked to clubs.
Quote from: God14 on January 29, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
I accept your comments 'upmonaghansayswe' & unfortunately, like all counties, we do indeed have a nasty element amongst our hard core support.
However I'd like to point out that this particular referee has history with Tyrone. He's a fairly young & inexperiened ref - however he getting bigger & bigger games this past couple of years ~ firstly McRory Finals there about 2yrs ago, and now onto the intercounty stage
In particular - he effectively dediced the outcome of the Ulster U21 final last year, which I attented. His performance that night was a truely shocking performance of refereeing.
Indeed he needed an escort to get out of McHale park in Mayo last year, as he ballsed that match up as well. Conor Mortimor had plenty to say about him on twitter.
And guess what - he's down to referee Tyrone V Down on Saturday night.
Fair enough, I cant comment on any of the above. But while these previous performances may have shortened the fuse of some of your supporters I would be of the opinion that it was a "mob mentality" case among alot of them. Either that, or they all have as good a memory as yourself!.. So Down in my accumulator for the weekend then? ;D
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 29, 2013, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 29, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
I accept your comments 'upmonaghansayswe' & unfortunately, like all counties, we do indeed have a nasty element amongst our hard core support.
However I'd like to point out that this particular referee has history with Tyrone. He's a fairly young & inexperiened ref - however he getting bigger & bigger games this past couple of years ~ firstly McRory Finals there about 2yrs ago, and now onto the intercounty stage
In particular - he effectively dediced the outcome of the Ulster U21 final last year, which I attented. His performance that night was a truely shocking performance of refereeing.
Indeed he needed an escort to get out of McHale park in Mayo last year, as he ballsed that match up as well. Conor Mortimor had plenty to say about him on twitter.
And guess what - he's down to referee Tyrone V Down on Saturday night.
Fair enough, I cant comment on any of the above.
I can comment on the above, it's a load of empty vessel crap ;D
A Tyrone defender bear hugs a Cavan forward in the penalty area and the ref awards the stonewall penalty.
Fortunately I listened to the Mon vTyrone game on Northern Sound who are savvy enough to protect the listeners from the sound of rattling of the empty Tyrone vessels, with some heavy duty sound insulation. Kept the pain to tolerable levels.
I'm not surprised you've raised this issue upmonaghansayswe.
I have to say the temperature of my blood rose steadily throughout the game and was at boiling point come the end, and not because of the scoreline or Monaghan's performance. From the moment the third goal went in I had reconciled myself to defeat, so by the time the final whistle went I had made my peace with that. It was the Tyrone support that had me fuming.
I was considering posting on this matter after the game but thought it more prudent to give myself a few days to gather my thoughts. However even three days later, looking back rationally, I can honestly say that I have never witnessed such vile, vulgar, rude, aggressive, abusive, whinging, yapping behaviour from so-called "proper" supporters (those who attend McKenna Cup and league games) in my life. And this when they were coasting to victory in 2nd gear!!! What was there to get worked up about? It was a stroll for them. Imagine the vitriol if the game had been close!!! Imagine the behaviour if the game was close in a game that really mattered!!!
It was only some of the support, granted. However, usually this behaviour is excused as being the antics of one or two morons who are dragging down the name of everyone else. This was not the case last Saturday night. This was an undercurrent of aggression that seemed inherent in the Tyrone support, and the abuse was hurled by many different voices. It cannot be merely passed off and dismissed as the misbehaviour of a few individuals either. For whatever reason it is endemic in the psyche of the "Tyronie" (witness the carry on during Tyrone club games for example; the county is infamous for its squabbling and fighting).
I have the utmost respect and admiration for Mickey Harte and the Tyrone team and what they have achieved, often in very trying circumstances. If only their support could act with even a modicum of the same class.......
O'Neill is to blame.
Has it really only dawned on some people that Tyronies are the greatest shower of hallions going?
Those grapes are sour in south Ulster. Considering they're so regular, You'd think you would take your beatings and slide on with your tail between your legs.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2013, 09:37:46 PM
Those grapes are sour in south Ulster. Considering they're so regular, You'd think you would take your beatings and slide on with your tail between your legs.
Don't think it is sour grapes. the behaviour of Tyrone supporters can be very embarrassing. Don't really win with an humility.
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 29, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2013, 09:37:46 PM
Those grapes are sour in south Ulster. Considering they're so regular, You'd think you would take your beatings and slide on with your tail between your legs.
Don't think it is sour grapes. the behaviour of Tyrone supporters can be very embarrassing. Don't really win with an humility.
Don't think this a very fair comment & it's not alone on here- but like the majority of supporters from every county we can be gracious in both victory & defeat. Yes there are always a few plonkers who step across the line but this is everywhere, not just in the GAA but in society. What I don't like is when a few rumblings about Tyrone supporters behaviour becomes common practice for posters online, then the journos pick up on it & then becomes the stereotype. Just like the puke football comment grew legs & the rep Tyrone have for diving. These comments, if we are realistic could have been applied to any county at a point in time. Please, if Tyrone fans are out of line at games then have a word- usually this is all it takes. Or appeal to other Tyrone fans to have a word with them. Same if your from Monaghan or Derry or down or wherever.
I've been to all the games this year and this was the only one that abuse like this was directed at the referee. He'd have got abuse from any county supporters for some of the decisions. Booking Stephen O'Neill for challenging for a high ball and then ignoring Tyrone players being clearly pulled to the ground was always going to cause anger. His decision to wave his arms about every time there was a clear foul to signal it wasn't a foul didn't help. The fact that the crowd reaction only happened in one of 5 McKenna Cup games might lead you to believe that there is a genuine issue with the referee.
Quote from: TY14ED on January 29, 2013, 10:29:09 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on January 29, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2013, 09:37:46 PM
Those grapes are sour in south Ulster. Considering they're so regular, You'd think you would take your beatings and slide on with your tail between your legs.
Don't think it is sour grapes. the behaviour of Tyrone supporters can be very embarrassing. Don't really win with an humility.
Don't think this a very fair comment & it's not alone on here- but like the majority of supporters from every county we can be gracious in both victory & defeat. Yes there are always a few plonkers who step across the line but this is everywhere, not just in the GAA but in society. What I don't like is when a few rumblings about Tyrone supporters behaviour becomes common practice for posters online, then the journos pick up on it & then becomes the stereotype. Just like the puke football comment grew legs & the rep Tyrone have for diving. These comments, if we are realistic could have been applied to any county at a point in time. Please, if Tyrone fans are out of line at games then have a word- usually this is all it takes. Or appeal to other Tyrone fans to have a word with them. Same if your from Monaghan or Derry or down or wherever.
Sorry Tommo not a direct attack at you or your comment just in response to a type of comment that's gathering pace on here
In other words quit talking crap Tommo etc.
Who was the referee? David Coldrick?
Quote from: TY14ED on January 29, 2013, 10:29:09 PM
Yes there are always a few plonkers who step across the line
A few? Do you really think Id go to the bother of posting over just a few plonkers? Let me reiterate, the worst behaviour I've ever witnessed at a pre season match.
Quote from: TY14ED on January 29, 2013, 10:29:09 PM
What I don't like is when a few rumblings about Tyrone supporters behaviour becomes common practice for posters online, then the journos pick up on it & then becomes the stereotype.
Well then blame lazy journalism or the actions of those who cant have a bitta manners at a game.
Quote from: TY14ED on January 29, 2013, 10:29:09 PM
Please, if Tyrone fans are out of line at games then have a word- usually this is all it takes. Or appeal to other Tyrone fans to have a word with them. Same if your from Monaghan or Derry or down or wherever.
Well then here is my appeal to other Tyrone fans. Do you think they would have listened to a "sour grape" Monaghan fan like me?.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 29, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
He'd have got abuse from any county supporters for some of the decisions. Booking Stephen O'Neill for challenging for a high ball and then ignoring Tyrone players being clearly pulled to the ground was always going to cause anger. His decision to wave his arms about every time there was a clear foul to signal it wasn't a foul didn't help. The fact that the crowd reaction only happened in one of 5 McKenna Cup games might lead you to believe that there is a genuine issue with the referee.
As I said, I can understand some of the anger (not abuse) in the 1st half, like the incident you have referred too. It was the persistent abuse when 9 points up and coasting against 14 men that comes under a total different category.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 29, 2013, 09:37:46 PM
Those grapes are sour in south Ulster. Considering they're so regular, You'd think you would take your beatings and slide on with your tail between your legs.
Ah yes....... the standard predictable response of the dim-witted!!! ::)
Was chatting to a Cork lad who sits next to me in work and he was at the Dublin v Kildare final last weekend
He said the language out of mothers and children to the referee was just unreal.
I think in Ulster though its only confined to Tyrone fans. They are the worst. I've never heard a Monaghan or Armagh fan shout any abuse at the ref or other players.
So. We can now add Monaghan to the list. Armagh, Derry and now Monaghan. All getting sick of beatings from Tyrone.
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
So. We can now add Monaghan to the list. Armagh, Derry and now Monaghan. All getting sick of beatings from Tyrone.
Perhaps we should introduce a 'go easy' policy for next years McKenna cup in order to promote positive inter-county relationships. These arse whoopings can't be good for their self-esteem.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2013, 11:04:20 AM
Was chatting to a Cork lad who sits next to me in work and he was at the Dublin v Kildare final last weekend
He said the language out of mothers and children to the referee was just unreal.
I think in Ulster though its only confined to Tyrone fans. They are the worst. I've never heard a Monaghan or Armagh fan shout any abuse at the ref or other players.
Missing the point. Dublin Kildare went to extra time. Probably a league like atmosphere at it, which comes with higher emotions that can lead to that sorta language. I'm not justifying it but theres no way of eliminating it completely. Our game on the other hand was finished after 40 minutes and the attitude in the stand never changed. The supporters got a kick from giving him abuse. Shifting the focus onto other counties when you cant defend your own isn't the approach you should be taking.
upmonaghansayswe I don't know how old you are but I've been going to matches for years and reading what fans have to say on here for years and I've heard loads give out about Tyrone fans but I've also heard loads praise Tyrone fans and the whole hospitality feeling of when a team comes to Omagh for a league game.
There will ALWAYS be assholes who have that sort of personality and will complain and whinge about everything no matter what.
There are also loads of very well spoken fans who even in times of tension, like in the AI final of 2003 when I was sat next to loads of Armagh fans, I was amazed who well behaved they were.
Now I've also sampled loads of arrogant loud mouthed Armagh fans like back in 2002 when I arrived back from Aus and went to Croker to support Armagh in the semi.
A few lads asked me where I was from and when I said Tyrone they told me where to go and they don't need my sort supporting them.
So whilst you had a bad experience at the game last week and by the sounds of it are well justified in calling those fans whatever names. Do you really think that sums up the majority of Tyrone fans? Do you really think most of us are like that and we are constantly fighting and arguing all the time? If you do then you're just being biased and unreasonable
The reason I mention other counties is there are assholes in all counties who do the same
Back when we beat Wexford in 2008 in the semi, there was a woman with her young family and husband behind me. The things that she called the Ref that day was just unbelieveable. For the first time in my life I actually got up and moved away it was that bad. My point is every county has people like that including your own Monaghan
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
but I've also heard loads praise Tyrone fans and the whole hospitality feeling of when a team comes to Omagh for a league game.
Totally agree. We were up in Omagh for the last league game last year and it was the best match day experience all year. Other counties should take a leaf outta the Tyrone book on that one. (I remember some dodgy looking Easter Bunny at HT!)
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
AI final of 2003
arrogant loud mouthed Armagh fans like back in 2002
Back when we beat Wexford in 2008 in the semi,
THIS is my point. All those where big games where the bandwaggoners can come along can tarnish the good name of the reasonable fan. The McKenna Cup only attracts the "reasonable" GAA fan, so to hear such abuse from so many, for an entire game in January is the worrying part.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
Do you really think that sums up the majority of Tyrone fans? Do you really think most of us are like that and we are constantly fighting and arguing all the time? If you do then you're just being biased and unreasonable
No I dont. But again, percentage wise, Ive never witnessed so many act the way they did last Saturday night when youse had us bate out the gate.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
every county has people like that including your own Monaghan
You`re right and I've acknowledged that already.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 30, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
upmonaghansayswe I don't know how old you are
Old enough
Quote from: Main Street on January 29, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 29, 2013, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 29, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
I accept your comments 'upmonaghansayswe' & unfortunately, like all counties, we do indeed have a nasty element amongst our hard core support.
However I'd like to point out that this particular referee has history with Tyrone. He's a fairly young & inexperiened ref - however he getting bigger & bigger games this past couple of years ~ firstly McRory Finals there about 2yrs ago, and now onto the intercounty stage
In particular - he effectively dediced the outcome of the Ulster U21 final last year, which I attented. His performance that night was a truely shocking performance of refereeing.
Indeed he needed an escort to get out of McHale park in Mayo last year, as he ballsed that match up as well. Conor Mortimor had plenty to say about him on twitter.
And guess what - he's down to referee Tyrone V Down on Saturday night.
Fair enough, I cant comment on any of the above.
I can comment on the above, it's a load of empty vessel crap ;D
A Tyrone defender bear hugs a Cavan forward in the penalty area and the ref awards the stonewall penalty.
Fortunately I listened to the Mon vTyrone game on Northern Sound who are savvy enough to protect the listeners from the sound of rattling of the empty Tyrone vessels, with some heavy duty sound insulation. Kept the pain to tolerable levels.
Isnt it amazing how 'main steet' is able to judge a referee's performance from the Radio. I attended the game. BC made a big call in the very first minute of the game awarding a penalty. At the time it looked harsh, however with the benefit of TV replays on reflection he got that particular call absolutely spot on.
What 'main street' doesnt elaborate on (because he wasnt there) was the blatant bias against Tyrone for the rest of the sixty minutes. Cavan repeatedly benefited from soft free's from the Co. Derry whistler - whilst Tyrone at the other end got absolutely nothing. It was such a bizaare performance, that the only possible conclusion that could be drawn is bias.
Cavan won the match 1-10 til 0-10. The crowd at the match were "irate" at his performance, and alot of the Cavan lads present acknowledged the ref was biased. Which incidently 'upmonaghansayswe' agrees took place last Saturday night in the match v Monaghan.
Recent posts on this thread show the anti Tyrone bias that exists, particularily in Derry. We've had Derry football by the balls this past 15 years - this bias, jealousy & begrudgery is what they have fallen to.
The swearing & abuse at the referee cant be condoned in any circumstances however, and must end. How we actually achieve that is something i dont know. But Down might as well start +3points on Saturday night.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2013, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
So. We can now add Monaghan to the list. Armagh, Derry and now Monaghan. All getting sick of beatings from Tyrone.
Perhaps we should introduce a 'go easy' policy for next years McKenna cup in order to promote positive inter-county relationships. These arse whoopings can't be good for their self-esteem.
No no. There's no need for that. A "have manners" policy will suffice.
Quote from: upmonaghansayswe on January 30, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
THIS is my point. All those where big games where the bandwaggoners can come along can tarnish the good name of the reasonable fan. The McKenna Cup only attracts the "reasonable" GAA fan, so to hear such abuse from so many, for an entire game in January is the worrying part.
Sure you know yourself there's no such thing as a reasonable GAA fan!! It only takes the one innocently missed foul to change a quiet, gentle, sensible young man into a raging, foaming at the mouth psychopath.
In all seriousness, while the McKenna cup attendees aren't bandwagon jumpers you will find that most are far more passionate about the county football than those that come out in the fine weather of summer. And that passion doesn't always spill out in the most positive ways. Throw in a county wide gripe with the referee, and you might get someway to explaining (not excusing) the vitriol being thrown. And I think the fact that the game was over as a fair contest early meant the focus was of the result from early on in the second half.
As a general I think that there seems to be more abuse being thrown from the stands now than years ago. Gone are the days when one head the ball could shout out some witty comment to the referee, that would get a few laughs from the crowd, these days he'd be drown out by the rest of the shouting and roaring. It's prominent in club football from what I see as well. And usually starts with one set of supporters roaring about some indiscretion missed by the ref, which only goads the opposition supporters to roar even louder for the next believed indiscretion against their team. It's sad to see.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 31, 2013, 08:55:27 AM
Sure you know yourself there's no such thing as a reasonable GAA fan!! It only takes the one innocently missed foul to change a quiet, gentle, sensible young man into a raging, foaming at the mouth psychopath.
In all seriousness, while the McKenna cup attendees aren't bandwagon jumpers you will find that most are far more passionate about the county football than those that come out in the fine weather of summer.
Few and far between alright. I suppose what I meant was that the very nature of the McKenna Cup would lend itself to making a genuine GAA fan more reasonable. As in there is little atmosphere at it, players are rusty, quality isn't usually the highest, and of course the competition is considered pre-season!. So from my experience its rare that any fans gets that worked up about it.
True.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 31, 2013, 08:55:27 AM
Throw in a county wide gripe with the referee, and you might get someway to explaining (not excusing) the vitriol being thrown.
Yep. As God14 pointed out, there is history with this particular referee which does explain (not excuse) why tempers where short. But in my opinion this reason becomes void when Tyrone were coasting against a Div 3 team with 14 players. As I said, they just got a kick from continuing the abuse throughout the second half.
I suppose the question is do I think that the same percentage of Monaghan fans would have acted in the same way? (Even though there is no Div 5 team to play!). I would guess not.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 31, 2013, 08:55:27 AM
As a general I think that there seems to be more abuse being thrown from the stands now than years ago. Gone are the days when one head the ball could shout out some witty comment to the referee, that would get a few laughs from the crowd, these days he'd be drown out by the rest of the shouting and roaring. It's prominent in club football from what I see as well. And usually starts with one set of supporters roaring about some indiscretion missed by the ref, which only goads the opposition supporters to roar even louder for the next believed indiscretion against their team. It's sad to see.
All true but I'm not trying to generate a general discussion on fan behaviour. I just felt that no one had highlighted one of the biggest issues from last Saturday.
might i suggest that Tyrone dreamer have a look at monaghangaa.ie photo gallery and tell what part of stephen o'neills tackle on mark keogh is a CHALLENGE
Just following on from the debate last week - just take a look, or glance at Barry Cassidy's performance, or lack thereof, on Saturday night... What a joke!! Only a matter of time until there is another martin sludden incident.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on January 29, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
Booking Stephen O'Neill for challenging for a high ball and then ignoring Tyrone players being clearly pulled to the ground was always going to cause anger.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_gaa/8425772979/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_gaa/8425772979/in/photostream/)
Never a yellow.
Not quite sure what that still photo proves?
Quote from: God14 on February 03, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
Just following on from the debate last week - just take a look, or glance at Barry Cassidy's performance, or lack thereof, on Saturday night... What a joke!! Only a matter of time until there is another martin sludden incident.
Sludden for 70 odd minutes in that Leinster final was having a brilliant game then made an error that decided the outcome of the game at the worst possible time. At least he came out and publicly held up his hands and acknowledged his mistake. These other lads that are making balls up aren't being punished for consistently having poor games. Barry and boys like him will be doing big matches for years to come cos they're ticking the right boxes and as someone said earlier are young and fit which seems to matter more than your ability to ref at a high level. If you've good friends and get pushed you'll get there.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 03, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
Not quite sure what that still photo proves?
Challenge for a high ball. Aye right. Keogh is in possession. The only thing missing is the clothes pegs.
And the result.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_gaa/8425773527/in/photostream/
Quote from: God14 on February 03, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
Just following on from the debate last week - just take a look, or glance at Barry Cassidy's performance, or lack thereof, on Saturday night... What a joke!! Only a matter of time until there is another martin sludden incident.
+1
Cassidy gets some slating in every paper I read today, plus his handling of last years U21 final and this years McKenna cup final was farcical .. I remember Cavan supporters behind us last year being embarrassed by the bias he displayed that night and saying that he should not get another big game all year!
nobody is disputing that the ref was bad. It was the fact that a section of the tyrone support started before a ball was thrown in and didnt let up even when their team was coasting . I am no prude but even i thought that the venom from SOME of the tyrone support around me were over the top. As for s o neills yellow i think that babarinos photos say it all.
Quote from: babarino on February 03, 2013, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 03, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
Not quite sure what that still photo proves?
Challenge for a high ball. Aye right. Keogh is in possession. The only thing missing is the clothes pegs.
And the result.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_gaa/8425773527/in/photostream/
If you think O'Neill tackled the goalkeeper in possession you clearly weren't at the game. It was a 50 50 ball which both players went in fully committed for. I think the ref was right to give the free but it was never a booking.
Only 11 weeks to go. Are the universities playing this year?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on October 22, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
Only 11 weeks to go. Are the universities playing this year?
Magee and Coleraine have opted out.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 22, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 22, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on October 22, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
Only 11 weeks to go. Are the universities playing this year?
Magee and Coleraine have opted out.
When were they ever 'in'?
Come on Maguire, I know ye really like the humor. I know you have laughed before.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on October 22, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
Only 11 weeks to go. Are the universities playing this year?
The player tug of war thing needs sorting after last year, but I bet it won't be. I can see the other uni's following QUB out of the competition.
Some new players on the Armagh panel for 2014 season http://t.co/ZozrhW0cuY
Why was Robbie Tasker not on the panel before now, star forward in the All Ireland Minor team 09
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 09, 2013, 02:42:25 PM
Some new players on the Armagh panel for 2014 season http://t.co/ZozrhW0cuY
Why was Robbie Tasker not on the panel before now, star forward in the All Ireland Minor team 09
Think it best to leave it as non football reasons. Class player
Any news on the draw?
Quote from: An Dun Deal on January 01, 2007, 07:53:28 PM
UUJ
Eoin Mc Nicholl Glenullin Derry
Rory Murray Desertmartin Derry
James Conlan Carrickmacross Monaghan
Finnian Moriarty Wolfe Tones Armagh
Philip Mooney Swatragh Derry
Paul Doherty Rasharkin Antrim
Darren Hughes Scotstown Monaghan
Peter Donnelly Coalisland Tyrone
Jonathan Bradley Glen Derry
Paddy Cunningham Lamh Dhearg Antrim
Mark Lynch Banagher Derry
Raymond Mulgrew Cookstown Tyrone
Paul Forker Maghery Armagh
Michael Herron Lamh Dhearg Antrim
Ciaran Conlon Silverbridge Armagh
Michael Mc Alister Clan na Bana Down
James Colgan An Riocht Down
John Boyle Warrenpoint Down
Brendan Boggs Owen Roes Tyrone
Damian McCaul Donaghmore Tyrone
Eamon McConville Rostrevor Down
Shea McAleer Harps Monaghan
Kevin Dyas Dromintee Armagh
Bernard O' Brien Latton Monaghan
Packie Downey Drumgath Down
Colm Cavanagh Moy Tyrone
Declan Lavery Magheralin Down
Collie Farrell Annaclone Down
Ronan Mc Rory Errigal Ciaran Tyrone
Shane O Hagan Clonduff Down
The UUJ Squad from 2007. What are they doing now?
Colm Cavanagh Moy Tyrone Midfield for Tyrone
2 of that panel are back again this year for them, Darren Hughes and Raymond Mulgrew, Mulgrew was in Australia for a few years and is resuming the course he was doing before he went.
Hogan stand:
Kernan omitted in Armagh revamp - Report
10 November 2013
Stephen Kernan has been left out of Armagh's senior squad for the 2014 season, according to a report in the Gaelic Life newspaper.
Manager Paul Grimley is thought to have made a number of changes in a revamp of the Orchard County squad, but Kernan is not one of the new additions.
The Crossmaglen attacker has been in rich form for his club recently and is expected to play in this afternoon's Ulster club SFC quarter-final replay against Kilcoo (throw-in 2.30pm), however, it could be the last action he sees until Rangers' 2014 campaign should Joe Kernan's men lose out to the Down champions today.
It is understood that Gavin McParland, Declan McKenna, Peter Carragher and Niall Rowland have also been excluded in Grimley's training panel. All four left for America during the championship campaign this past season.
Does Kernan just not want to play for Armagh, or is there something else going on here?
Anyone know when the draw will be made for the 2014 competition?
Hidden away in the annals of BBC website
29 October 2013
Ulster Council aim to resolve impasse in McKenna Cup
The Ulster Council wants to resolve the impasse which led to Queen's University withdrawing from the 2013 McKenna Cup.
GAA Presidential candidate and former Ulster Council President Aogan Farrell is to head up a review committee aimed at reinstating the college in 2014.
Queen's pulled out of the competition over growing concern at the power of county teams who wanted first call on players for the pre-season competition.
Farrell's committee is expected to give its recommendations in mid-November.
"We decided back a few months ago that we would set up a committee that would look at the McKenna Cup in its entirety," said Ulster Council spokesman John Connolly.
"(It) would include a look at the third-level colleges, because of the issues surrounding players not being allowed to play for their county or their college.
"When the McKenna Cup went well for us at the start, bringing in the colleges, it was a marvellous competition.
"We want to bring it back up to that mark but over the last few years it had become messy."
Current holders Tyrone will be looking to retain the title when the competition takes place in January 2014.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/24733284?print=true
"Current holders Tyrone will be looking to retain the title when the competition takes place in January 2014."
Not that is a surprise.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on November 11, 2013, 09:30:41 PM
Anyone know when the draw will be made for the 2014 competition?
Tomorrow at 6.30pm in the Wellington Park Hotel apparently.
The draw has taken place for the groups for the 2014 Dr McKenna Cup.
Section A: QUB, Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh
Section B: St Mary's UCB, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Derry
Section C: UUJ, Down, Antrim, Cavan
The competition fixtures will be finalised at a meeting of Comhairle Uladh CCC on Thursday 21st November, with the games taking place on the following dates:
Sunday 5th January: Round 1
Sunday 12th January: Round 2
Wednesday 15th January: Round 3
Sunday 19th January: Semi Finals
Section B Winners v Section A Winners
Best Runners Up v Section C Winners
Saturday 25th January: Final
Ulster GAA will once again be selling a limited number of competition tickets for the 2014 Dr McKenna Cup which will permit you access to Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3 games involving your team, both semi finals and the final for just £20/€25... that's a potential saving of over 60%!
For all information relating to the 2014 Dr McKenna Cup, view www.ulster.gaa.ie/mckennacup2014/
Sorry left out this from previous post:
Ulster GAA also confirmed that Ulster Inter-Provincial Joe Kernan will serve as a mediator for any player disputes in the competition.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 12, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Sorry left out this from previous post:
Ulster GAA also confirmed that Ulster Inter-Provincial Joe Kernan will serve as a mediator for any player disputes in the competition.
Why can't the ulster council grow a set and actually make a decision?
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2013, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 12, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Sorry left out this from previous post:
Ulster GAA also confirmed that Ulster Inter-Provincial Joe Kernan will serve as a mediator for any player disputes in the competition.
Why can't the ulster council grow a set and actually make a decision?
Would have to agree with this. The Ulster Council are spineless? Instead of enforcing the rules they hire big Joe to do their dirty work? Maybe they should let Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness just run the Ulster council for them!
Jim McGuinness keen to 'get rolling' with Donegal for Dr McKenna Cup -
From Donegalnews.com
JIM McGuinness has the look of a man who's counting the days down to the start of the new season. Donegal's first game of 2014 will be against Tyrone in the Dr McKenna Cup on January 5th – in 51 days' time. Seven weeks from Sunday, the old rivals McGuinness and Mickey Harte will cross paths again, but they will be very much in experimental mould. McGuinness and his new backroom team of Damian Diver, Paul McGonigle and John Duffy have spent the last number of weeks devising programmes for their players and getting them assessed by the medical team. The new-look squad includes those players McGuinness has added to his ranks: Ciaran Bonner, Leon Thompson, Christy Toye, Conor Classon, Antoin McFadden, Thomas McKinley, Stephen McLaughlin, Hugh McFadden, and Darach O'Connor. Donegal have been paired with Tyrone, Armagh and Queen's University in the McKenna Cup and it is expected that McGuinness will rotate the squad through those three fixtures. "We have a good competitive group and it'll be interesting to see how it rolls," McGuinness said. "We're looking forward to getting started now. "We'll have a number of players tied up with colleges so we'll be able to look at the squad in a broad sense and seeing how much playing time we can allocate to players." While some of his players, like Patrick McBrearty, Hugh McFadden, Ryan McHugh and Mark McHugh could be otherwise engaged with commitments to college teams, McGuinness will have most of his main men. With Michael Murphy not having returned to college, something McGuinness says is a 'nice wee bonus', Donegal's totemic captain will be available from the off this time around, handing them a significant boost. The medical team have been working on getting some ailments cleared up. David Walsh recently underwent a hernia operation while Paddy McGrath had an operation to correct an abductor tendon muscle injury which prevented him from lining up for Ardara in the Club Championship. McGrath is aiming to be back for January, but could be kept in cotton wool until the start of the National League in February. Walsh and McGrath have been able to do jogging while Christy Toye, McGuinness says, is back 'on the road to recover' and Karl Lacey, the 2012 Footballer of the Year, 'is in good shape' having missed the bulk of the 2013 campaign. McGuinness said: "He is still working on his rehab plan from last season and is doing a lot of work on his own to get back to full fitness again." The memories of the All-Ireland quarter-final hammering against Mayo are still knawing at McGuinness's mind and the Donegal manager hopes the few months off will have done his charges the world of good. 2013 saw Donegal lose their grip on Ulster and All-Ireland titles, but the manager can't wait to get back on the bike again. He said: "We'll have had a long break since we were out in the Championship and we'll be going into it a lot fresher. "We are looking forward to the season ahead. We have an opportunity now to go and enjoy our football." 2014 Dr McKenna Cup: Section A - QUB, Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh Section B - St Mary's UCB, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Derry Section C - UUJ, Down, Antrim, Cavan * Ulster GAA will once again be selling a limited number of competition tickets for the 2014 Dr McKenna Cup which will permit you access to Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3 games involving your team, both semi finals and the final for just £20/€25.
Fergal 'Doc' back as Foreglen duo named in McKenna Cup panel
THE DOC IS IN . . .Fergal Doherty will make a welcomed return to the Derry senior panel for 2014.
by Michael Wilson
Brian McIver is planning to put Joe Kernan out of work after confirming Foreglen duo Oisin Duffy and Niall McFeely will form part of a McKenna Cup panel which welcomes Fergal Doherty back to inter-county football.
Current Crossmaglen and Ulster Inter-Provincial manager Kernan has been appointed as a mediator by the Ulster Council should any disputes arise concerning colleges and universities having first preference on county players for the pre-season competition, something which last year led to Queen's withdrawing from the tournament. The Derry manager, however, does not expect to be speaking to the former Armagh boss any time soon.
"I have never had any problem with boys playing for their colleges," explained McIver after this week's group draw, "If we have a player is playing for his university or college and we want to have a look at him, we will send someone to the game to watch him or get a video of the game. As long as the boys are getting football by that stage I'm happy enough.
"I don't think I will be talking to Joe (Kernan) any time soon in that regard. In fact, I can safely say we could make Joe redundant on that front!" he smiled.
The Derry boss met with his panel for the first time last weekend to discuss preparations ahead of the resumption of group training in December and revealed O'Brien's duo, Oisin Duffy and Niall McFeely, will be among a number of new faces to get a chance to shine in 2014. Also included will be Ballinascreen duo Mickey McShane and Ciaran Conway, who both excelled in their club's run to the Derry Senior Championship final, while Ciaran McGoldrick and Niall Holly of Coleraine and Karl McKaigue from Slaughtneil are also in the squad.
"We have brought in a few new lads into the panel which will keep things fresh. We have a tricky enough group with last year's Ulster champions Monaghan, St. Mary's and Fermanagh, who are under new manager Pete McGrath which means all their players there will want to make a real impression but that's what you want. You want tough games to test yourself. We want to try and win all the games but also to get a look at as many players as possible.
"It has been a few years since we met Monaghan competitively but they have always been hard games and I would expect nothing less when we meet."
The return of Doherty to the Derry colours is a major boost, especially given the loss to long term injury of PJ McCloskey. The Banagher player was superb when he played last season and his absence was keenly felt but McIver claims Doherty brings both experience and class to an area which has been troublesome for the Derry boss.
"We have brought a few new lads into the panel which will keep things fresh. We met up as a panel last week just to talk and let the players know what was happening and it is great to have Fergal Doherty back again. There was no arm-twisting needed, Fergal was keen to play inter-county football again and we are delighted to have him back.
"He is over the injury problems which he had over the past couple of years and will be a big boost for us. He brings great leadership and gives us a great option at midfield. That is an area where we have had a couple of bad injuries, something we were acutely aware of, but Fergal is an experienced player who knows what is expected when you play for Derry."
After last year's promotion to Division One, the Derry manager knows this season will see a step up in class in the National League but he is looking forward to the challenges that await his side.
"The McKenna Cup is great in terms of getting the season off to a competitive start and allowing us to get a look at players in competitive games as we prepare for the National League. I think we start with Monaghan, last year's Ulster Champions, in the McKenna Cup; with Tyrone in the National League and Donegal in the Ulster Championship so we could not have asked for a bigger challenge to begin each competition with but those are the challenges you want and it will be nice to get going again."
Derry Journal
http://gaeliclife.com/2013/11/exclusive-former-all-star-returns-to-armagh-panel/
What age would Mallon be now?
Quote from: onefaircounty on November 20, 2013, 12:08:19 AM
http://gaeliclife.com/2013/11/exclusive-former-all-star-returns-to-armagh-panel/
What age would Mallon be now?
Played under 21 in 2004 so would be around the 30 mark.
What is this Cardinal O'Fiach (apologies on spelling) Cup??
I see derry have entered it anyway.
Saffrons boosted by quintet's return
20 November 2013
Five of the top footballers in Antrim have been recalled to the county squad by new manager Liam Bradley.
The Glenullin man's "second coming" as manager has started on a positive note with the return of the Cargin trio Tomas McCann, Tony Scullion and Michael McCann, along with St. Gall's forward CJ McGourty and Portglenone's Niall McKeever, who has returned from a four-year stint in Aussie Rules.
Outgoing manager Frank Dawson dropped Tomas McCann and Scullion on the eve of this year's Allianz League encounter with Monaghan in Clones over travel arrangements, while Michael McCann withdrew his services owing to work commitments. McGourty, meanwhile, wasn't considered by last season's management.
On the minus side, experienced duo Aodhan Gallagher and Sean Kelly have turned down invitations to rejoin the panel, with Gallagher set the spend the next year in Cardiff.
"I have Tomas McCann back, I've Michael McCann back, I've CJ McGourty back and Tony Scullion," Bradley told the Irish News.
"Those are the type of players who I feel should be stepping up to the mark, putting their shoulder to the wheel and pulling Antrim out of Division 4 next year.
"I made 39 phone calls and I got a response from 34 players. That can't be bad. There are only about three of that 34 that are U21, so it shows those guys are still interested in playing for the county. I got five negative responses and unfortunately they are players I'd love to have had.
"Aodhan Gallagher is going to Cardiff and is taking a year out. Sean (Kelly) didn't want to come back next season.
"The only reason he went back and played championship last season was because his father is great with Frank Dawson and I'd rather he tells me now than later. I appreciate that. But 'Aidso' and Sean Kelly are two players I'd love to have had." - See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=205026#sthash.i9Uzuo3s.dpuf
Quote from: FermGael on November 12, 2013, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 12, 2013, 07:45:09 PM
Sorry left out this from previous post:
Ulster GAA also confirmed that Ulster Inter-Provincial Joe Kernan will serve as a mediator for any player disputes in the competition.
Why can't the ulster council grow a set and actually make a decision?
Kernan seeks 'common ground'
21 November
McKenna Cup mediator Joe Kernan insists he won't pressurise inter-county managers into releasing players to their colleges.
The Crossmaglen and Ulster inter-provincial manager was appointed last week to mediate in disputes between county and college teams ahead of the start of next season's Ulster pre-season competition. Under the rules of the McKenna Cup, colleges are entitled to have first call on student players, but some inter-county managers - including Tyrone's Mickey Harte - haven't always complied.
Speaking to the Irish News, Kernan said he will be relying on the goodwill of managers in a bid to resolve any disputes which may arise.
"I'm not there to beat someone and say: 'If you don't do this, then this will be your penalty.' All I will be saying is that they have released no players. I will ask them: 'Is there any player you can release which will help the colleges field a team?'
"I will remind them that their players will still be playing matches and they will be able to watch them. My job is very simple. If people don't want to talk to each other, I will go in between and ask a few questions."
The former Armagh boss added: "When I was a county manager myself, we always tried to facilitate the colleges and we did release players.
"My only problem with colleges was when they used players who we knew were injured. Then I had a problem. Otherwise, we facilitated the colleges.
"Like the referees, like the media, everybody has a job to do and you try to facilitate as many people as possible. You are not always going to make everybody happy, but there should be a bit of common ground." -
See more at: http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=205070#sthash.blhudBhs.dpuf
This thing with big Joe as mediator is nonsense. County managers don't care about any university team, they only care about themselves. Guaranteed, there'll be plenty of players caught in the middle. The Ulster council are relying on the goodwill of managers to allow their players to play for their colleges. It won't happen.
They had a year to sort it out. It should have been sorted out 5 or 6 years ago, truth be told. A rule should be made saying either counties have first choice or the colleges. Or each county can have a certain number of college players etc. Grab the bull by the horns, and make a proper feckin' decision on the matter, otherwise we'll have more of what happened last January.
Sunday 5th January at 2pm
Round 1
Section A
Donegal V Tyrone
Armagh V QUB
Fermanagh V St Mary's
Monaghan V Derry
Antrim V Cavan
Down V UUJ
Sunday 12th January at 2pm
Round 2
Tyrone V QUB
Armagh V Donegal
Monaghan V St Mary's
Derry V Fermanagh at Owenbeg
Antrim V UUJ
Cavan V Down
Wednesday 15th January at 7.30pm
Round 3
Tyrone V Armagh
Donegal V QUB
Fermanagh V Monaghan
Derry V St Mary's
Down V Antrim
Cavan V UUJ
Semi Finals Sunday 19th January
Final Saturday 25th January
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2013, 01:07:29 AM
This thing with big Joe as mediator is nonsense. County managers don't care about any university team, they only care about themselves. Guaranteed, there'll be plenty of players caught in the middle. The Ulster council are relying on the goodwill of managers to allow their players to play for their colleges. It won't happen.
They had a year to sort it out. It should have been sorted out 5 or 6 years ago, truth be told. A rule should be made saying either counties have first choice or the colleges. Or each county can have a certain number of college players etc. Grab the bull by the horns, and make a proper feckin' decision on the matter, otherwise we'll have more of what happened last January.
What planet have you been on over the last few years? There IS a rule already! It's states that colleges have first pick on players. This is the whole point and it's why Queen's university pulled the plug last year stating that rules weren't being enforced by the Ulster Council. They just turn a blind eye when county managers tell students they have to play with counties. The ulster council still won't enforce rules this year, instead they employ big Joe Kernan to do some PR job for them and then say Oh we did our best to sort it.
Here's the real question, Why is the Ulster Council the only one of the four provinces who has this issue every year? Mickey Harte and Jimmy McGuinness have too much power?
The Ulster Council are spineless cowards and the McKenna cup proves it. They haven't the balls to stand up to ego maniac county managers.
Quote from: ck on November 24, 2013, 01:40:43 AM
What planet have you been on over the last few years? There IS a rule already! It's states that colleges have first pick on players. This is the whole point and it's why Queen's university pulled the plug last year stating that rules weren't being enforced by the Ulster Council. They just turn a blind eye when county managers tell students they have to play with counties. The ulster council still won't enforce rules this year, instead they employ big Joe Kernan to do some PR job for them and then say Oh we did our best to sort it.
Here's the real question, Why is the Ulster Council the only one of the four provinces who has this issue every year? Mickey Harte and Jimmy McGuinness have too much power?
The Ulster Council are spineless cowards and the McKenna cup proves it. They haven't the balls to stand up to ego maniac county managers.
A rule that is continually not enforced, is not a rule.
Mickey Harte is the main culprit. Always has been. He pre-empted things in his Irish News column last week. He'll be selecting any player he wants regardless of Joe Kernan's appointment. The Ulster Council need to grow a set, and stand up to dictators like him.
Lads this is an inter county compo, the mistake was taking in the universities to try and galvanise an already cramped season. Harte's main point is correct, if you are preparing for the league you need your players to be playing together to ensure you hit the ground running. I feel sorry for the universities who agreed to play in the compo in the belief they would have all their players so they could prepare for the sigerson, they have been treated poorly by the Ulster council, but my my point still stands, inter county league games is at the cut throat end of business, no room for generosity.
26 November 2013 Last updated at 15:16
Eoin Bradley to skip Derry's McKenna Cup campaign
Derry forward Eoin Bradley says he will continue to play for Coleraine in the Irish League and will miss the GAA's McKenna Cup competition.
The McKenna Cup is seen as a warm-up event during which county managers experiment before the League campaign.
Glenullin club man Bradley, 29, said he had still to decide between playing for Coleraine or switching to Gaelic when the league starts in February.
"I am concentrating on Coleraine and I am enjoying it," said Bradley.
Recently Derry manager Brian McIver ruled out any possibility of Bradley playing both codes when the GAA county season resumes.
Bradley said he understood the stance taken by the Oak Leaf boss.
"I have spoken to Brian about it and I suppose when National League time comes he will be looking for me to play the Gaelic.
"Coleraine manager Oran Kearney has given me a bit of leeway. I was wanting to play both, but Brian doesn't see it that way.
"So I will just play it by ear and see what happens, but I can see where Brian is coming from.
"I am enjoying playing for Coleraine and everyone at the club has made me welcome.
"I will not really know what I am going to do until January or February.
"I will chat is over with my family and decide in the next week or so."
Bradley joined Coleraine just before the transfer deadline early in the season, signing from Championship side Ballymoney United.
He has scored five goals in nine appearances, although the Bannsiders slipped into the bottom three in the Irish Premiership by losing 4-0 away to Coleraine last Saturday.
BBC Sport
2014 Provisional Squad Announced
Armagh Manager Paul Grimley has finalised his provisional squad for the 2014 season that includes 13 new members to the squad and 27 of last years retaining their places. Andy Mallon, an All Star in 2005, now plying his trade in Dublin is back in the squad. After a successful season with their club, Annaghmore trio Mathew McNeice, Oisin McKeever & Ciaran McKeever have been drafted in. Four players who played in the Senior Club Final have also been added to the squad, Kyle Carragher and Paul Hughes of Crossmaglen and Robbie Tasker and Michael Murray of St Patrick's Cullyhanna.
The backroom team to work with Paul in 2014 are Peter McDonnell (Assistant Manager), Kieran McGeeney (Head Coach), Martin McQuillan (Football Coach), Julie Davis (Strenght & Conditioning), James Doyle (Speed Coach), Brian McAlinden, Benny Tierney (Goalkeeping Coaches), Paul Carragher, Sean McSorley (Physio Staff), Paddy McNamee, Michael Treanor (Kit Personnel), Paul Kelly (Team Liason/Operations) and Dr Martin McConaghy (Medical Consultant).
The Full list of players within the squad are below split between those in the 2013 squad and those new to the 2014 squad:
Pilib Mac Fhíobhuí Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee
Pól Mac an tSaoi Paul Mc Entee Crossmaglen
Niall Mac Eochagáin Niall Geoghegan Middletown
Breandán MacDonnchaidh Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
Marcas Ó Siail Mark Shields Whitecross
Séamus Ó Donnaile James Donnelly Killeavy
Séamus Ó Muireagáin James Morgan Crossmaglen
Aaron Mac Thiarnáin Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
Finnian Ó Muircheartaigh Finian Moriarty Wolfe Tones
Pól Mac Eoghain Paul Mc Keown Crossmaglen
Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciaran Mc Keever St Patricks
Garaí Mac Cumhaí Gary McCoey St Patricks
Cathal Mac Mhearnáin Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
Stiofán Ó hArailt Stephen Harold Carrickcruppen
Séamus Ó Labhra James Lavery Maghery
Ciarán Ó Tomhnair Kieran Toner Granemore
Seán Ó hAnrachtaigh Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
Aodhán Mac Fearchair Aiden Forker Maghery
Stefan Mac Cathmhaoil Stefan Campbell Clan na Gael
Antaine Mac Thiarnáin Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
Stefan Mac Fearchair Stefan Forker Maghery
Caolán Ó Raifeartaigh Caolan Rafferty Granemore
Eoghan Mac Fearraigh Eugene McVerry Mullaghbawn
Ruairí Ó Gruagáin Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
Ethan Ó Raifeartaigh Ethan Rafferty Grange
Brian Ó Mealláin Brian Mallon Tir Na Nog
Niall Mac Conmhaoil Niall McConville St Peters
Séamus Ó Cléirigh Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
New players to the squad in 2014
Maitiú Mac Naois Mathew McNeice Annaghmore
Paudí Mac Ruairí Paudi Rodgers Lissummon
Aindriú Ó Mealláin Andy Mallon Parnells
Pól Ó hAodha Paul Hughes Crossmaglen
Mícheál Ó Muirí Michael Murray St Patricks
Aaron Findon Aaron Findon St Peters
Riobeard Tasker Robbie Tasker St Patricks
Caoimhín Ó Ruairc Kevin O'Rourke Mayobridge
Oisín Mac Íomhair Oisín Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciarán Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
Féilim Ó Néill Phelim O'Neill St Pauls
Ciarán Ó Raifeartaigh Ciaran Rafferty Madden
Kyle Mac Fhearchair Kyle Carragher Crossmaglen
41 players.
Good looking squad there. Armagh with Mc Geeney and Grimley will be a force in the coming years.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 28, 2013, 06:55:51 PM
2014 Provisional Squad Announced
Armagh Manager Paul Grimley has finalised his provisional squad for the 2014 season that includes 13 new members to the squad and 27 of last years retaining their places. Andy Mallon, an All Star in 2005, now plying his trade in Dublin is back in the squad. After a successful season with their club, Annaghmore trio Mathew McNeice, Oisin McKeever & Ciaran McKeever have been drafted in. Four players who played in the Senior Club Final have also been added to the squad, Kyle Carragher and Paul Hughes of Crossmaglen and Robbie Tasker and Michael Murray of St Patrick's Cullyhanna.
The backroom team to work with Paul in 2014 are Peter McDonnell (Assistant Manager), Kieran McGeeney (Head Coach), Martin McQuillan (Football Coach), Julie Davis (Strenght & Conditioning), James Doyle (Speed Coach), Brian McAlinden, Benny Tierney (Goalkeeping Coaches), Paul Carragher, Sean McSorley (Physio Staff), Paddy McNamee, Michael Treanor (Kit Personnel), Paul Kelly (Team Liason/Operations) and Dr Martin McConaghy (Medical Consultant).
The Full list of players within the squad are below split between those in the 2013 squad and those new to the 2014 squad:
Pilib Mac Fhíobhuí Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee
Pól Mac an tSaoi Paul Mc Entee Crossmaglen
Niall Mac Eochagáin Niall Geoghegan Middletown
Breandán MacDonnchaidh Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
Marcas Ó Siail Mark Shields Whitecross
Séamus Ó Donnaile James Donnelly Killeavy
Séamus Ó Muireagáin James Morgan Crossmaglen
Aaron Mac Thiarnáin Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
Finnian Ó Muircheartaigh Finian Moriarty Wolfe Tones
Pól Mac Eoghain Paul Mc Keown Crossmaglen
Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciaran Mc Keever St Patricks
Garaí Mac Cumhaí Gary McCoey St Patricks
Cathal Mac Mhearnáin Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
Stiofán Ó hArailt Stephen Harold Carrickcruppen
Séamus Ó Labhra James Lavery Maghery
Ciarán Ó Tomhnair Kieran Toner Granemore
Seán Ó hAnrachtaigh Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
Aodhán Mac Fearchair Aiden Forker Maghery
Stefan Mac Cathmhaoil Stefan Campbell Clan na Gael
Antaine Mac Thiarnáin Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
Stefan Mac Fearchair Stefan Forker Maghery
Caolán Ó Raifeartaigh Caolan Rafferty Granemore
Eoghan Mac Fearraigh Eugene McVerry Mullaghbawn
Ruairí Ó Gruagáin Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
Ethan Ó Raifeartaigh Ethan Rafferty Grange
Brian Ó Mealláin Brian Mallon Tir Na Nog
Niall Mac Conmhaoil Niall McConville St Peters
Séamus Ó Cléirigh Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
New players to the squad in 2014
Maitiú Mac Naois Mathew McNeice Annaghmore
Paudí Mac Ruairí Paudi Rodgers Lissummon
Aindriú Ó Mealláin Andy Mallon Parnells
Pól Ó hAodha Paul Hughes Crossmaglen
Mícheál Ó Muirí Michael Murray St Patricks
Aaron Findon Aaron Findon St Peters
Riobeard Tasker Robbie Tasker St Patricks
Caoimhín Ó Ruairc Kevin O'Rourke Mayobridge
Oisín Mac Íomhair Oisín Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciarán Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
Féilim Ó Néill Phelim O'Neill St Pauls
Ciarán Ó Raifeartaigh Ciaran Rafferty Madden
Kyle Mac Fhearchair Kyle Carragher Crossmaglen
That is some back room team.
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Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 28, 2013, 06:55:51 PM
2014 Provisional Squad Announced
Armagh Manager Paul Grimley has finalised his provisional squad for the 2014 season that includes 13 new members to the squad and 27 of last years retaining their places. Andy Mallon, an All Star in 2005, now plying his trade in Dublin is back in the squad. After a successful season with their club, Annaghmore trio Mathew McNeice, Oisin McKeever & Ciaran McKeever have been drafted in. Four players who played in the Senior Club Final have also been added to the squad, Kyle Carragher and Paul Hughes of Crossmaglen and Robbie Tasker and Michael Murray of St Patrick's Cullyhanna.
The backroom team to work with Paul in 2014 are Peter McDonnell (Assistant Manager), Kieran McGeeney (Head Coach), Martin McQuillan (Football Coach), Julie Davis (Strenght & Conditioning), James Doyle (Speed Coach), Brian McAlinden, Benny Tierney (Goalkeeping Coaches), Paul Carragher, Sean McSorley (Physio Staff), Paddy McNamee, Michael Treanor (Kit Personnel), Paul Kelly (Team Liason/Operations) and Dr Martin McConaghy (Medical Consultant).
The Full list of players within the squad are below split between those in the 2013 squad and those new to the 2014 squad:
Pilib Mac Fhíobhuí Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee
Pól Mac an tSaoi Paul Mc Entee Crossmaglen
Niall Mac Eochagáin Niall Geoghegan Middletown
Breandán MacDonnchaidh Brendan Donaghy Clonmore
Marcas Ó Siail Mark Shields Whitecross
Séamus Ó Donnaile James Donnelly Killeavy
Séamus Ó Muireagáin James Morgan Crossmaglen
Aaron Mac Thiarnáin Aaron Kernan Crossmaglen
Finnian Ó Muircheartaigh Finian Moriarty Wolfe Tones
Pól Mac Eoghain Paul Mc Keown Crossmaglen
Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciaran Mc Keever St Patricks
Garaí Mac Cumhaí Gary McCoey St Patricks
Cathal Mac Mhearnáin Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps
Stiofán Ó hArailt Stephen Harold Carrickcruppen
Séamus Ó Labhra James Lavery Maghery
Ciarán Ó Tomhnair Kieran Toner Granemore
Seán Ó hAnrachtaigh Johnny Hanratty Crossmaglen
Aodhán Mac Fearchair Aiden Forker Maghery
Stefan Mac Cathmhaoil Stefan Campbell Clan na Gael
Antaine Mac Thiarnáin Tony Kernan Crossmaglen
Stefan Mac Fearchair Stefan Forker Maghery
Caolán Ó Raifeartaigh Caolan Rafferty Granemore
Eoghan Mac Fearraigh Eugene McVerry Mullaghbawn
Ruairí Ó Gruagáin Rory Grugan Ballymacnab
Ethan Ó Raifeartaigh Ethan Rafferty Grange
Brian Ó Mealláin Brian Mallon Tir Na Nog
Niall Mac Conmhaoil Niall McConville St Peters
Séamus Ó Cléirigh Jamie Clarke Crossmaglen
New players to the squad in 2014
Maitiú Mac Naois Mathew McNeice Annaghmore
Paudí Mac Ruairí Paudi Rodgers Lissummon
Aindriú Ó Mealláin Andy Mallon Parnells
Pól Ó hAodha Paul Hughes Crossmaglen
Mícheál Ó Muirí Michael Murray St Patricks
Aaron Findon Aaron Findon St Peters
Riobeard Tasker Robbie Tasker St Patricks
Caoimhín Ó Ruairc Kevin O'Rourke Mayobridge
Oisín Mac Íomhair Oisín Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciarán Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
Féilim Ó Néill Phelim O'Neill St Pauls
Ciarán Ó Raifeartaigh Ciaran Rafferty Madden
Kyle Mac Fhearchair Kyle Carragher Crossmaglen
That is some back room team.
Good size backroom team but that's what most teams have now. Add in physios, masseurs, sports psychology etc and you'd be up near the 20 mark.
Provisional Fermanagh Senior Football Panel 2014
A chairde,
On behalf of the Fermanagh Senior Football management team, I would like to acknowledge the
clubs of Fermanagh for their support in relation to the numbers of players who attended the Senior
trials over the past few weeks. We would also like to sincerely thank those clubs who provided their
facilities and showed us great hospitality.
The following players have now made the provisional senior football panel for 2014.
Club Players Name
Ederney St Josephs Christopher Snow
Belcoo James McGrath
Madden Ronan Gallagher
Lisnaskea John Woods
Belcoo Brian Cox
Maguiresbridge Conor Hyde
Tempo Conor Foy
Devenish Barry Mulrone
Roslea Niall Cassidy
Ederney St Josephs Declan Mc Cusker
Devenish Marty O'Brien
Tempo Aidan Breen
Roslea Conor Quigley
Brookeborough Tommy McElroy
Enniskillen Gaels Ryan McCluskey
Teemore Barry Owens
Enniskillen Gaels Niall Shannon
Tempo Damian Kelly
Coa Eoin Donnelly
Ederney St Josephs Stephen McElrone
Maguiresbridge Ryan Hyde
Belnaleck Dwayne McNulty
Derrygonnelly Ryan Jones
Enniskillen Gaels Richard O'Callaghan
Derrygonnelly Conal Jones
Roslea Sean Quigley
Ederney St Josephs Michael Mc Aleer
Ederney St Josephs Paul Mc Cusker
Kinawley Ruairi Corrigan
Devenish Jason Love
Derrygonnelly Tiarnan Daly
Tempo Niall McElroy
Roslea Seamie Quigley
Tempo Darryl Keenan
Irvinestown Ronan Ormsby
Kinawley Tomas Corrigan
St.Patricks Eamon Maguire
Aughadrumsee Eddie Courtney
Brookeborough Aiden Boyle
Devenish Chris O'Brien
We also acknowledge the players who have not made the panel at this time and thank them for their
effort and commitment throughout the trials. Rest assured that the management team will continue
to monitor matches throughout the season and that the panel is always open for those who show
the correct attitude and effort for senior inter-county football.
Is mise le meas,
Pete McGrath
Fermanagh Senior Team Manager
Paddy Power have a game fixed for tomorrow night, Armagh V Down, is this McKenna Cup?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
Paddy Power have a game fixed for tomorrow night, Armagh V Down, is this McKenna Cup?
No, that's the O'Fiaich Cup.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2013, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
Paddy Power have a game fixed for tomorrow night, Armagh V Down, is this McKenna Cup?
No, that's the O'Fiaich Cup.
Armagh are 8/11, would Down be poor enough or is this based on home advantage
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2013, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2013, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
Paddy Power have a game fixed for tomorrow night, Armagh V Down, is this McKenna Cup?
No, that's the O'Fiaich Cup.
Armagh are 8/11, would Down be poor enough or is this based on home advantage
Keep your money in your pocket. Both sides will be much changed from their usual lineup.
8 counties have no problem with the rule, and had never pushed the issue as it gives them a chance to look at more players within the county themselves.1 manager has made a problem going against the other counties and selects men at uni, given they are the biggest county and the largest player pick, is he short for men or something
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 04, 2013, 07:59:42 PM
8 counties have no problem with the rule, and had never pushed the issue as it gives them a chance to look at more players within the county themselves.1 manager has made a problem going against the other counties and selects men at uni, given they are the biggest county and the largest player pick, is he short for men or something
I read this backwards as saying "he is a p***k". Do you always inject hidden messages?
Bradley looking forward...
03 December 2013
Antrim football manager Liam Bradley is confident that Antrim will have forwards good enough to shoot out the lights in 2014.
Since returning to the Saffrons helm, 'Baker' has enticed Tómas McCann, Michael McCann, Mark Sweeney and CJ McGourty back on board and all four are set to feature up front, with coaching to be provided by the manager's former All Star son Paddy.
"I have always thought that there are good forwards in Antrim and I have no doubt that now we have some of the guys back on board we will have much-needed additional firepower," Bradley says in The Belfast Telegraph.
"The fact that Paddy will be working with the forwards should be a help and will serve to bring out the best in them, I feel.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=205793#sthash.BNpdRchh.dpuf
UUJ bounce back for Ryan victory
UNIVERSITY of Ulster, Jordanstown recovered from a terrible start to defeat University College, Dublin and win the Ryan Cup yesterday at Pairc Esler.
UCd grabbed two goals and a point in the first four minutes to leave things looking decidedly bleak for the northerners.
However, the Ulster boys dug deep and after levelling just before the break, in the second half Jordanstown showed their true class, wrapping up the victory by outscoring their rivals eight points to two.
UUJ joint manager Barney Mcaleenan was delighted with his side's performance, saying: "We showed great heart after a bad start. And in the second half we moved the ball well and played some fantastic football. We're delighted to win the Ryan Cup for the first time since 2009." Although Ronan O'neill hit the opening score for Jordanstown in the first minute, UCD countered with a vengeance. Less than 60 seconds later, Dublin full-forward Paul Kingston raced clear before drilling low into the Ulster net. The same player added another point with just two minutes on the clock - while at the other end Danny savage pulled one back for Jordanstown. It was a red-hot start to the match and the visitors were c**k-a-hoop as they snapped up another goal. John Heslin curled in a free from the left flank with an under-pressure Jordanstown defender unfortunately poking the ball into his own net.
Five points in arrears with just four minutes gone, were UCd going to run amok?
The short answer was no and the Ulstermen set about their tough task in a workmanlike manner.
With Declan Mcnally, Chrissie McKaigue, Matty donnelly and Paul McPolin working hard in the engine room and Cailean O'Boyle, Pat Hughes and danny savage causing all sorts of problems to the UCD defence, the UUJ men quickly cut the deficit.
Points from O'Boyle (2), savage, Pat Hughes, O'neill and Colum Duffin - with only Heslin able to pick off a solitary UCd score in reply - brought the Jordanstown lads level with five minutes to go until the break. John Maloney, however, gave UCD an interval advantage.
But in the second half, Jordanstown upped the tempo in a fierce manner with Cailean O'Boyle in radar mood, the big derry full forward firing over four points. Down's danny savage also scored a cracking point, while other scores from Pat Hughes, Paul McPolin and Kieran Hughes ensured a comfortable five-point UUJ victory. Indeed, in the second half the Dubliners were only able to muster up a paltry two points, these coming from Heslin and Mahoney.
UUJ: R Beggan, D McNally, K Clarke, B Tierney, P McPolin (0-1), C McKaigue, L Kearney, M Donnelly, N McKeever, K Hughes, Pat Hughes, C Duffin (0-1), D Savage (0-2),
C O'Boyle (0-6), R O'Neill (0-2)
UCD: E Keogh, R Wylie, R Tierney, C Lenaghan, P Hargan, S McEntee, J Mahon, M O'Hanlon, C Sheridan, B Fenton, J Hayes, J McCaffrey, P Kingston (1-01), J Maloney (0-2), J Heslin (0-2)
Paul Grimley has announced his squad for the forthcoming Power NI Dr McKenna Cup. Several players will play for their University's during the tournament and the Manager will pick his starting 15 from the following 26 man squad. Armagh will be Captained by Ciaran McKeever during the tournament.
Armagh are in Section A and open up again QUB at home on Sunday 5th January at 2pm. Armagh will then welcome Donegal to the Athletic Grounds the following Sunday followed up with an away game against Tyrone on Wednesday 15th January at 7.30pm.
No.Name
1.Philip McEvoy
2.Mark Shields
3.Ciaran McKeever (Captain)
4.Gary McCooey
5.Charlie Vernon
6.Stephen Harold
7.Kieran Toner
8.Stefan Campbell
9.Stefan Forker
10.Caolan Rafferty
11.Eugene McVerry
12.Rory Gurgan
13.Ethan Rafferty
14.Brian Mallon
15.Niall McConville
16.Jamie Clarke
17.Andy Mallon
18.Michael Murray
19.Robbie Tasker
20.Kevin O'Rourke
21.Oisín Mac Íomhair
22.Ciarán Mac Íomhair
23.Phelim O'Neill
24.Ciaran Rafferty
25.Niall Geoghegan
26.Finian Moriarty
With no university players, Cross on holiday and Donaghy injured a few players should get an opportunity to impress.
Rory Grugan is definitely a university player
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 12, 2013, 08:41:35 AM
Rory Grugan is definitely a university player
I thought the same, but dont remember seeing him play for Queens in the Ryan Cup?
Quote from: DuffleKing on December 12, 2013, 08:41:35 AM
Rory Grugan is definitely a university player
He's missing from this list.
Armagh McKenna Cup Squad 2014Paul Grimley has announced his squad for the forthcoming Power NI Dr McKenna Cup. Several players will play for their University's during the tournament and the Manager will pick his starting 15 from the following 26 man squad. Armagh will be Captained by Ciaran McKeever during the tournament.
Armagh are in Section A and open up again QUB at home on Sunday 5th January at 2pm. Armagh will then welcome Donegal to the Athletic Grounds the following Sunday followed up with an away game against Tyrone on Wednesday 15th January at 7.30pm.
D'fhógair Pól Ó Gharmaile a scuad do Chorn Mhic Chionnaith Power NI atá ar na bacáin. Beidh roinnt imreoirí ag imirt lena gcuid ollscoileanna le linn an chomórtais agus roghnóidh an bainisteoir an chéad 15 as an scuad de 26 imreoir. Is é captaen Ard Mhacha don chomórtas ná Ciarán McKeever.
Beidh Ard Mhacha i Roinn A agus beidh an chéad chluiche againn i gcoinne Ollscoil na Banríona sa bhaile ar an Domhnach an 5ú Eanáir ar 2pm. Cuirfidh Ard Mhacha fáilte roimh Dhún na nGall sa Pháirc Lúthchleasa an Domhnach dar gcionn agus imreoidh siad as baile i gcoinne Thír Eoghain Dé Céadaoin 15ú Eanáir ar 7.30pm.
No. Name Gaelige Club
1 Philip McEvoy Pilib Mac Fhíobhuí Dromintee
2 Mark Shields Marcas Ó Siail Whitecross
3 Ciaran McKeever (Captain) Ciarán Mac Íomhair St Patricks
4 Gary McCooey Garaí Mac Cumhaí St Patricks
5 Charlie Vernon Cathal Mac Mhearnáin Armagh Harps
6 Stephen Harold Stiofán Ó hArailt Carrickcruppen
7 Kieran Toner Ciarán Ó Tomhnair Granemore
8 Stefan Campbell Stefan Mac Cathmhaoil Clan na Gael
9 Stefan Forker Stefan Mac Fearchair Maghery
10 Caolan Rafferty Caolán Ó Raifeartaigh Granemore
11 Eugene McVerry Eoghan Mac Fearraigh Mullaghbawn
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13 Ethan Rafferty Eoghan Mac Fearraigh Grange
14 Brian Mallon Brian Ó Mealláin Tir na Nog
15 Niall McConville Niall Mac Conmhaoil St Peters
16 Jamie Clarke Séamus Ó Cléirigh Crossmaglen
17 Andy Mallon Aindriú Ó Mealláin Parnells
18 Michael Murray Mícheál Ó Muirí St Patricks
19 Robbie Tasker Riobeard Tasker St Patricks
20 Kevin O'Rourke Caoimhín Ó Ruairc Mayobridge
21 Oisín Mac Íomhair Oisín Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
22 Ciarán Mac Íomhair Ciarán Mac Íomhair Annaghmore
23 Phelim O'Neill Féilim Ó Néill St Pauls
24 Ciaran Rafferty Ciarán Ó Raifeartaigh Madden
25 Niall Geoghegan Niall Mac Eochagáin Middletown
26 Finian Moriarty Finnian Ó Muircheartaigh Wolfe Tones
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Rumours that Joe Kernan may be called in to resolve some McKenna Cup squad issues. It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
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Rumours that Joe Kernan may be called in to resolve some McKenna Cup squad issues. It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
No prizes for guessing which county manager that'll be then.
Whilst ultimately I totally disagree with his stance, you have to admire his stubbornness & consistency.
Terry Hyland has announced the panel for the upcoming Dr McKenna cup competition. This panel sees the introduction of Philip Tinnelly from Kingscourt to the ranks of the senior team for the first time, whilst 2011 U-21 star Packie Leddy from Redhills has also being given the nod.
Cavan Gaels have two players rejoining the senior fold, Michael Lyng who last featured in 2011 and Niall Smith who is returning from injury.
Name Ainm Club
1 Conor Gilsenan Conchur Mac Giolla Seanáin Seaamróga Choill an Chollaigh
2 Rory Dunne Ruarí Ó Duinn Cnoc Rua
3 Turloc Mooney Turloc Ó Maonaigh Cnoc Rua
4 David Hyland Daithí O hAolain Loch Gamhna
5 Alan Clarke Alún Ó Cleirigh Dún-A-Rí
6 Niall Smith Niall Mac Gabhann Gael An Cabhán
7 Philip Tinnely Pilib Mac an tSionnaigh Dún-A-Rí
8 David Givney Dáithí Ó Dhuibhne Droichead Uí Dhalaigh
9 Cian Mackey Cian Ó Maca Caisleann Reathain
10 Martin Reilly Mairtín Ó Raghallaigh Coill na Gearraí
11 Damien O Reilly Damien Ó Raghallaigh Béal Tairbirt
12 Mark McKeever Marcus Mac Íomhair Loch Gamhna
13 Martin Dunne Martin Ó Doinn Gael An Cabhán
14 Niall McDermott Niall Mac Dhiarmada Béal Átha na nEach
15 Alan O Mara Alún Ó Meára Naomh Oilibhir Plunkett
16 Joshua Hayes Joshua Ó h ÉIS An Muinchille
17 Killian Brady Cillain MacBradaigh Mullach Odhrainn
18 Marc Leddy Marcus Ó Lídi Gael An Cabhán
19 Fergal Flanagan Feargal Ó Flanagan Droichead an Bhuithlearaigh
20 Declan McKiernan Déaglán Mac Tiarnann Cill na Séan Ratha
21 Niall Murray Niall Ó Muirí Gael An Cabhán
22 Packie Leddy Padraigh Ó Lídi Cnoc Rua
23 Eugene Keating Eoghann Ó Ciiteann Naomh Sylvesters
24 Kevin Tierney Caoimhín Mac Tiarnaigh Beal átha hÉis
25 Micheal Lyng Michael Ó Loinn Gael An Cabhán
Bainisteoir Turlach O hAolain
Selectors Antoin Mac Giolla Arraithe
Seosamh Mac Carthaigh
Dochtuir Pilib O Cearluinn
Physio Simon Mac Gaffnaigh
Runaí Liam Mac Cába
Quote from: Itchy on December 15, 2013, 11:22:43 AM
Terry Hyland has announced the panel for the upcoming Dr McKenna cup competition. This panel sees the introduction of Philip Tinnelly from Kingscourt to the ranks of the senior team for the first time, whilst 2011 U-21 star Packie Leddy from Redhills has also being given the nod.
Cavan Gaels have two players rejoining the senior fold, Michael Lyng who last featured in 2011 and Niall Smith who is returning from injury.
Name Ainm Club
1 Conor Gilsenan Conchur Mac Giolla Seanáin Seaamróga Choill an Chollaigh
2 Rory Dunne Ruarí Ó Duinn Cnoc Rua
3 Turloc Mooney Turloc Ó Maonaigh Cnoc Rua
4 David Hyland Daithí O hAolain Loch Gamhna
5 Alan Clarke Alún Ó Cleirigh Dún-A-Rí
6 Niall Smith Niall Mac Gabhann Gael An Cabhán
7 Philip Tinnely Pilib Mac an tSionnaigh Dún-A-Rí
8 David Givney Dáithí Ó Dhuibhne Droichead Uí Dhalaigh
9 Cian Mackey Cian Ó Maca Caisleann Reathain
10 Martin Reilly Mairtín Ó Raghallaigh Coill na Gearraí
11 Damien O Reilly Damien Ó Raghallaigh Béal Tairbirt
12 Mark McKeever Marcus Mac Íomhair Loch Gamhna
13 Martin Dunne Martin Ó Doinn Gael An Cabhán
14 Niall McDermott Niall Mac Dhiarmada Béal Átha na nEach
15 Alan O Mara Alún Ó Meára Naomh Oilibhir Plunkett
16 Joshua Hayes Joshua Ó h ÉIS An Muinchille
17 Killian Brady Cillain MacBradaigh Mullach Odhrainn
18 Marc Leddy Marcus Ó Lídi Gael An Cabhán
19 Fergal Flanagan Feargal Ó Flanagan Droichead an Bhuithlearaigh
20 Declan McKiernan Déaglán Mac Tiarnann Cill na Séan Ratha
21 Niall Murray Niall Ó Muirí Gael An Cabhán
22 Packie Leddy Padraigh Ó Lídi Cnoc Rua
23 Eugene Keating Eoghann Ó Ciiteann Naomh Sylvesters
24 Kevin Tierney Caoimhín Mac Tiarnaigh Beal átha hÉis
25 Micheal Lyng Michael Ó Loinn Gael An Cabhán
Bainisteoir Turlach O hAolain
Selectors Antoin Mac Giolla Arraithe
Seosamh Mac Carthaigh
Dochtuir Pilib O Cearluinn
Physio Simon Mac Gaffnaigh
Runaí Liam Mac Cába
Glad to see Michael Lyng back.. Always enjoyed him watching him play for DCU, and tearing down to pieces in 04! ;D
Nine players added to Tyrone squad
17 December 2013
Mickey Harte has added nine players to the Tyrone squad that will defend the McKenna Cup.
The Red Hands will be without Stephen O'Neill, Conor Gormley, Kyle Coney, Dermot Carlin, PJ Quinn, Joe McMahon, Justin McMahon, Ronan McNabb and Aidan Cassidy for next month's competition, so the manager has called on some new faces based on their performances in a series of trials.
Niall McKenna, who won All-Ireland MFC and Hogan Cup medals in 2008, is recalled as is Peter Hughes, who helped Eskra to a first county IFC this season.
Clonoe pair PJ Lavery and Danny McNulty have been called up, while Shay McGuigan from Ardboe - son of Frank and brother of Frank Jnr, Brian and Tommy - will also get a chance to show what he can do.
Eglish's Emmett McKenna joins his brother Ryan on the panel. Dungannon's Patrick Quinn, Omagh's Hugh Gallagher and Derrytresk's Kevin Campbell are the other three men to get the nod.
From Hoganstand/tyrone
So no Raymie Mulgrew then? Thought there was a clamour to get him back in the panel.
Would be nice to have a mcGuigan type playmaker again......
There was no way Mulgrew was getting back on the panel after offering Mugsy £100 to moon at Mickey Harte ;)
Quote from: Club Rossa on December 18, 2013, 09:10:22 AM
There was no way Mulgrew was getting back on the panel after offering Mugsy £100 to moon at Mickey Harte ;)
the whole of the moon hey yeah
Monaghan have announced their squad.
As expected some of the older players are sitting it out.
New faces include Cremartin's Damien Lavelle in goals. Lavell's club mate Johnny McGuigan and Truagh's Paudie McKenna and Conor Boyle (Clontibret) are new additonas to the defence. New forwards include Shane Carey (Scotstown), Daniel McMahon (Emyvale) and Tommy Kerr (Ballybay). They are recalls for Shane Smyth (Harps) and Daniel McKenna (Truagh).
Glad to see McGuigan and Paudie McKenna getting call ups. McGuigan I expect to break into the team this year, maybe in half back line. He's impressed the past two years for his club and is a leader. Shane Carey has the potential to claim a half forward spot if he can keep his cool. Daniel McKenna is a mecurially talented player but a bit of a show pony. He's had a good season for his club so maybe he's finally gained some consistency and curbed the unnecessary flashiness.
Tyrone McKenna Cup Panel 2014
Kevin Campbell – Doire Treasc
Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
Mathew Donnelly – Trí Leac
Hugh Gallagher – An Omaigh
Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
Conan Grugan – An Omaigh
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
Danny McBride – An Srath Ban
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Ciaran McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
Shea McGuigan – Ard Bó
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Patrick McNiece – Oileán a'Ghuail
Daniel McNulty – Cluain Eo
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Monaghan 2014 Power NI Mc Kenna Cup Panel
No. Name (In English) Name (As Gaelige) Club(As Gaeilge)
1 Rory Beggan Ruairí Ó Beagáin An Bhoth
2 Damien Lavelle Damien Ó Maolábhail Craobh Mháirtín
3 Ryan Wylie Riain Wylie Beal Átha Beithe
4 Fintan Kelly Fionáin Ó Ceallaigh Cluain Eois
5 Conor Galligan Conchúr Ó Gealagáin Cláirsigh Mhuineacháin
6 Kieran Duffy Ciáran Ó Dufaigh Leachtain
7 Karl O'Connell Karl Ó Conaill Tigh Thalainn
8 Jonathan McGuigan Seannachán Mag Uiginn Craobh Mháirtín
9 Dessie Mone Deasún Mone Cluain Tiobraid
10 Paudie McKenna Pádraig Mac Cionnaoith Gaeil Triúcha
11 Conor Boyle Conchúir Ó Baoil Cluain Tiobraid
12 Peter O'Hanlon Peadar Ó hAnluain Carraig Mhachaire Rois
13 Martin McElroy Máirtin Mac Giolla Rua Fág An Bealach
14 Paul Finlay Pól Ó Fionnalaigh Béal Átha Beithe
15 Gavin Doogan Gabhán Ó Duagáin Machaire Cluain
16 Stephen Gollogly Stiofán Mac an Ghallóglaigh Carraig Mhachaire Rois
17 Pádraic Keenan Pádraig Ó Fhinín Corr Dubh
18 Thomas Kerr Tómas Mac Giolla Cearra Beal Átha Beithe
19 Chris McGuinness Criostár Mag Aonghusa Beal Átha Beithe
20 Shane Smyth Seán Mac Gabháin Cláirsigh Mhuineacháin
21 Shane Carey Seán Ó Ciara An Bhoth
22 Jack McCarron Seán Mac Cearáin Curraichín
23 Pádraig Donaghy Pádraig Mac Donnchaidh Domhnach Maighean
24 Dermot Malone Diarmaid Ó Maoileain Fág An Bealach
25Daniel McKenna Dónall Mac Cionnaoith Gaeil Triúcha
26Daniel McMahon Dónall Mac Mahuna Scairbh na gCaorach
The panel has 7 newcomers – Damien Lavelle, Jonathan Mc Guigan, Paudie Mc Kenna, Conor Boyle, Thomas Kerr, Shane Carey and Daniel Mc Mahon. A further 2 Ryan Wylie and Padraic Keenan still have to make their competitive debut while Shane Smyth and Daniel Mc Kenna both make their return.
Red Hands defend inclusion of colleges players
23 December 2013
Tyrone PRO Eunan Lindsay has defended Mickey Harte's decision to include eight colleges players in his McKenna Cup squad.
Mattie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Barry Tierney and Conor McAliskey (all UUJ), Conor Clarke, Danny McBride and Niall Morgan (St. Mary's) and Niall McKenna (Queen's University) will be lining out for their county rather than their colleges in the pre-season competition.
The Ulster Council had hoped the appointment of former Armagh manager Joe Kernan as a mediator would resolve the McKenna Cup impasse which resulted in Queen's pulling out of last season's competition because they no longer had first call on inter-county players attending the university, but this hasn't stopped Tyrone from laying claim to their college players.
Lindsay tells the Irish News that Mickey Harte was left with little option but to call on the college players because of the unavailability of a dozen players, including Stephen O'Neill, Conor Gormley, Kyle Coney, Dermot Carlin, PJ Quinn, Joe McMahon, Justin McMahon, Mark Donnelly, Ronan McNabb and Aidan Cassidy.
"From last year's panel, we are down 12 players, and these players need to be given a chance to establish themselves, and this is the only time we can integrate them, with the National League coming up," said Lindsay.
Tyrone (McKenna Cup squad): Kevin Campbell (Derrytresk), Conor Clarke (Omagh), Mathew Donnelly (Trillick), Hugh Gallagher (Omagh), Kevin Gallagher (Newtownstewart), Conan Grugan (Omagh), Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran), Peter Hughes (Eskra), Plunkett Kane (Coalisland), PJ Lavery (Clonoe), Connor McAliskey (Clonoe), Danny McBride (Strabane), Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher), Ciaran McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Shea McGuigan (Ardboe), Emmett McKenna (Eglish), Niall McKenna (Donaghmore), Ryan McKenna (Eglish), Ronan McNamee (Aghyaran), Patrick McNiece (Coalisland), Daniel McNulty (Clonoe), Niall Morgan (Edendork), Michael O'Neill (Clonoe), Ronan O'Neill (Omagh), Patrick Quinn (Dungannon), Barry Tierney (Omagh).
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=206750
Strong squad named by McGuinness
20 December 2013
Donegal manager Jim McGuinness talks to his players. INPHO
Donegal manager Jim McGuinness has named 16 of his 2012 All-Ireland winning squad in the panel for the Dr McKenna Cup.
In the past, McGuinness has used a lot of fringe players in the early season competition, but that is not the case for next year's competition.
Apart from players that will be tied up with colleges, everyone else will be in the squad.
"We have included everybody except for the boys that are involved with the colleges in their respective competitions," McGuinness told the Donegal Democrat.
"We have a good bit of work done over the last few weeks since we returned to training and it has just a matter of building up our fitness and sharpness again for the McKenna Cup.
"We had a useful workout against Fermanagh last Thursday night in Convoy and we are playing Roscommon on Sunday week in Convoy. That will be our last workout before we face Tyrone in the first game in the McKenna Cup, the following Sunday."
The Donegal squad is: Paul Durcan, Michael Boyle, Frank McGlynn, Declan Walsh, Eamonn McGee, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey, Anthony Thompson, Leo McLoone, Antoin McFadden, Thomas McKinley, Rory Kavanagh, Neil Gallagher, Gary McFadden, Ciaran Bonner, Michael Murphy, Matthew Smyth, Dermot Molloy, Odhran MacNiallas, Darach O'Connor, Stephen McLaughlin, Martin O'Reilly, Hugh McFadden, Eamonn Doherty, Colm McFadden.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=post;topic=919.4125;last_msg=1307381
Normally I'd be fairly confident of Tyrone winning the McKenna Cup but I'd be a bit more surprised this year. Its a relatively inexperienced squad and a lot of the players are only in their first or second year. This combined with the fact that Donegal seem to have taken the opposite approach to last year with a very strong squad named and a number of challenge games under their belts would have to make them favourites on Sunday. Hopefully Tyrone can keep it close to give them a chance of second place even if they did lose and an outisde chance of the semi's. Armagh are in the group as well and seem to be taking it fairly seriously.
I'm looking forward to seeing in particular how a lot of the lads who got brought in last year do this year. Hopefully a few of them can push on and make it. The likes of Kane, McBride and Gallagher (more so in McKenna Cup) showed some potential last year and McKenna made the team so hopefully can improve again. I'm a bit worried that we have very few new defensive man markers being tried. Tierney seems to be the only one and he got very little game time last year.
Jamie Clarke back in UUJ http://t.co/KtTx6ZV0Fk They will be hard stopped in Sigerson
Cavan line out as follows against antrim on sunday:
1. Conor Gilsenan. Bailieborough.
2. Josh Hayes. Cootehill.
3. Rory Dunne. Redhills.
4. Killian Brady. Mullahoran.
5. Feargal Flanagan. Butlersbridge.
6. Alan Clarke. (Captain) Kingscourt.
7. Niall Smith. Cavan Gaels.
8. Declan McKiernan. Killeshandra.
9. Packie Leddy. Redhills.
10. Martin Reilly. Killygarry.
11. Micheal Lyng. Cavan Gaels.
12. Turloc Mooney. Redhills.
13. Kevin Tierney. Ballyhaise.
14. Martin Dunne. Cavan Gaels.
15. Eugene Keating. Saint Sylvesters.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Jamie Clarke back in UUJ http://t.co/KtTx6ZV0Fk They will be hard stopped in Sigerson
They won the league already didn't they?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Jamie Clarke back in UUJ http://t.co/KtTx6ZV0Fk They will be hard stopped in Sigerson
They won the league already didn't they?
They did, and were without Darren Hughes, Gearoid Mckiernan. Hughes unlikey to play in sigerson. Very stong squad though
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2014, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Jamie Clarke back in UUJ http://t.co/KtTx6ZV0Fk They will be hard stopped in Sigerson
They won the league already didn't they?
They did, and were without Darren Hughes, Gearoid Mckiernan. Hughes unlikey to play in sigerson. Very stong squad though
UUJ will be taking an early bath if they get ideas above their station. ITS have plenty of talented players themselves.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2014, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 02, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
Jamie Clarke back in UUJ http://t.co/KtTx6ZV0Fk They will be hard stopped in Sigerson
They won the league already didn't they?
They did, and were without Darren Hughes, Gearoid Mckiernan. Hughes unlikey to play in sigerson. Very stong squad though
Currently 5/2 favourites for the sigerson.
No doubt the ITs have talented teams, Dit have a strong panel again this, as do Sligo. Michael dara MacAuley, big addition for Maynooth,Paddy Mcbrearty already there.
UUj would start as favs.
Tyrone Team v Donegal – McKenna Cup 5/1/14
Donegal v Tyrone @ O'Donnell Park, Letterkenny – Sunday 5th January @ 2pm
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Barry Tierney An Omaigh
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
7 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
8 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
9 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
10 Niall McKenna An Domhnach Mór
11 Shay McGuigan Ard Bó
12 Emmett McKenna Eaglais
13 Patrick McNeice Oileán a'Ghuail
14 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
15 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Kevin Campbell Doire Treasc
18 Hugh Gallagher An Omaigh
19 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
20 Peter Hughes Eiscreach
21 PJ Lavery Cluain Eo
22 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
23 Daniel McNulty Cluain Eo
24 Patrick Quinn Dún Geanainn
Tyrone team for the weekend. Is this the first time we've lined out without any senior AI winners at all in the team? None on the bench either...will be a big test on Sunday even factoring in that it is only the McKenna cup. Great to see the football back on.
On paper, its not the most experienced or physical team Tyrone have ever put out is it.
Be interesting to see how they perform, even this early in the season.
If Dun Na Gall put on their strongest team, there could be a potential massacre on the cards.
Pleased with that team.
Great opportunity for fellas like Clarke and Donnelly to show some leadership.
Hope Grugan follows on from his underage success (Mugsy puts in a good word in his book)
Shay at CHF - a prospect?
Very strong team named by mcguinness for Sundays game. Seems to be taking the McKenna cup a lot more serious this year
1.Paul Durcan
2.Frank McGlynn
3. Eamon McGee
4.Eamon Doherty
5.Anthony Thompson
6.Leo McLoone
7.Declan Walsh
8.Rory Kavanagh
9.Odhrán MacNiallais
10.Gary McFadden
11.Martin O'Reilly
12.Dermot Molloy
13. Darach O'Connor
14.MIchael Murphy
15.Colm McFadden
Did Michael Murphy get a break at all? Played Club, College, County, Provincial with Ulster and International Rules with Ireland in 2013 Only finished a few weeks ago with Glenswilly.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
Did Michael Murphy get a break at all? Played Club, College, County, Provincial with Ulster and International Rules with Ireland in 2013 Only finished a few weeks ago with Glenswilly.
Didn't get much of a break at all probably around a month or sol. He wants to play in these games but think a break would of done him good. It's nothing new to him though since last 3/4 years he's been playing with dcu from this time of year
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
Did Michael Murphy get a break at all? Played Club, College, County, Provincial with Ulster and International Rules with Ireland in 2013 Only finished a few weeks ago with Glenswilly.
Didn't get much of a break at all probably around a month or sol. He wants to play in these games but think a break would of done him good. It's nothing new to him though since last 3/4 years he's been playing with dcu from this time of year
Yeah, even if he wanted to play, you would think McGuinness would insist he didn't and have him fresh for the League. Not tied down with DCU this year with so Dongeal have him all the time now. Suppose Donegal want momentum going into the league as last year was a disaster, but if he is fatigued later in the year, they will know why.
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Quote from: donegal lad on January 03, 2014, 10:16:52 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
Did Michael Murphy get a break at all? Played Club, College, County, Provincial with Ulster and International Rules with Ireland in 2013 Only finished a few weeks ago with Glenswilly.
Didn't get much of a break at all probably around a month or sol. He wants to play in these games but think a break would of done him good. It's nothing new to him though since last 3/4 years he's been playing with dcu from this time of year
Yeah, even if he wanted to play, you would think McGuinness would insist he didn't and have him fresh for the League. Not tied down with DCU this year with so Dongeal have him all the time now. Suppose Donegal want momentum going into the league as last year was a disaster, but if he is fatigued later in the year, they will know why.
I agree if it was me I would give him a rest. Donegal need to hit the ground rolling this year gain bit of momentum similar to what they did in 2011 and get promoted from div 2.
Derry (v Monaghan) in the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup on Sunday 5th January at Clones (2pm).
1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. Declan Brown (Baile Eachaidh)
3. Oisin Duffy (Forghleann)
4. Michael McShane (Baile na Scrine)
5. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
6. Mark Craig (Dún Geimhin)
7. Sean Leo McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
8. Fergal Doherty (Baile Eachaidh)
9. Mark Lynch (Beannchar)
10. Ciaran McFaul (Gleann)
11. James Kielt (Cill Ria) (C)
12. Enda Lynn (Grainlocha)
13. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire Fíolta)
15. Benny Heron (Baile na Scríne)
16. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
17. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
18. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
19. Charlie Kielt (Cill Ria)
20. Carlus McWilliams (Baile na Scrine)
21. Peter Cassidy (Baile Eachaidh)
22. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
23. James Kearney (Suaitreach)
24. Aaron Kerrigan (Clóidigh)
25. Ciaran McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
26. Anthony O'Neill (An Lúb)
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Tyrone Team v Donegal – McKenna Cup 5/1/14
Donegal v Tyrone @ O'Donnell Park, Letterkenny – Sunday 5th January @ 2pm
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1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Barry Tierney An Omaigh
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
7 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
8 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
9 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
10 Niall McKenna An Domhnach Mór
11 Shay McGuigan Ard Bó
12 Emmett McKenna Eaglais
13 Patrick McNeice Oileán a'Ghuail
14 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
15 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
16 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
17 Kevin Campbell Doire Treasc
18 Hugh Gallagher An Omaigh
19 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
20 Peter Hughes Eiscreach
21 PJ Lavery Cluain Eo
22 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
23 Daniel McNulty Cluain Eo
24 Patrick Quinn Dún Geanainn
Tyrone team for the weekend. Is this the first time we've lined out without any senior AI winners at all in the team? None on the bench either...will be a big test on Sunday even factoring in that it is only the McKenna cup. Great to see the football back on.
No its not the first time, you lined out without any senior AI winners for about a hundred years ;)
anyone know if Destination newry will show Down v UUJ on sunday??
Queen's name team for 2014 McKenna Cup opener
1 – Michael Cunningham (Down)
2 – Peter Quinn (Derry)
3 – Che Cullen (Fermanagh)
4 – Owen Costello (Down)
5 – Ryan Mallon (Down)
6 – Darren O'Hanlon (Louth)
7 – Ciaran McCartan (Down)
8 – Martin McElhinney (Donegal)
9 – Aaron Finden (Armagh)
10 – Ryan Jones (Fermanagh)
11 – Conor Maginn (Down)
12 – Harry og Conlon (Tyrone)
13 – Ronan McGrady (Antrim)
14 – Rory Grugan (Armagh)
15 – Ryan Rafferty (Armagh)
16 – Matthew McNeice (Armagh)
17 – Gerard Collins (Down)
18 – Tony Donnelly (Armagh)
19 – Dermot McAleese (Antrim)
20 – Ross McGarry (Down)
21 – Shay McArdle (Down)
22 – Conal McNulty (Tyrone)
23 – Ryan Murray (Antrim)
24 – Michael Monan (Down)
25 – Killian Moynagh (Cavan)
26 – Aidan Brogan (Down)
27 – Matthew Jackson (Fermanagh)
28 – Sean Warnock (Tyrone)
29 – Gearard McGovern (Down)
I see Queens have him for now!
hard to see that Tyrone team making much of an impression against donegal. I think its the right approach giving these guys a run but its a tough start for a group of players with limited experience of playing together. It .will be interesting to see how micky phases in the more experienced heads over the league campaign.
It's possibly the most inexperienced team Harte has named since taking over. Obviously there has been a slight change in focus this year towards later in the year with the older guys taking a step back and getting a rest. Lots of opportunities to impress for the younger guys and Harte should know a lot more about which players are ready to make the step up after the McKenna Cup.
Given that Armagh and Donegal are taking it quite seriously its probably the strongest group Tyrone have been in in a long time. Coupled with the inexperienced squad is going to make it very tough to make the semi's. A hammering tomorrow would already make it highly unlikely. Though hopefully the young boys can stand up and give Donegal a good game. There is a lot of talent throughout the team. I'm looking forward to seeing the likes of McBride, McGinley and Kane to see if they can push on from last year.
Has anyone seen much of Tierney? He didn't get many chances last year. We really do need a good corner back from somewhere.
I'd like to see a bit of fight and belief from the new players which in my opinion has been lacking a little from the newer players in recent year.
Also looking forward to seeing how Niall McKenna gets on. He looked like a big prospect underage level but just never did enough when given chances for the seniors. Hopefully the break has done him good and he can come back ready for senior football.
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Queen's name team for 2014 McKenna Cup opener
1 – Michael Cunningham (Down)
2 – Peter Quinn (Derry)
3 – Che Cullen (Fermanagh)
4 – Owen Costello (Down)
5 – Ryan Mallon (Down)
6 – Darren O'Hanlon (Louth)
7 – Ciaran McCartan (Down)
8 – Martin McElhinney (Donegal)
9 – Aaron Finden (Armagh)
10 – Ryan Jones (Fermanagh)
11 – Conor Maginn (Down)
12 – Harry og Conlon (Tyrone)
13 – Ronan McGrady (Antrim)
14 – Rory Grugan (Armagh)
15 – Ryan Rafferty (Armagh)
16 – Matthew McNeice (Armagh)
17 – Gerard Collins (Down)
18 – Tony Donnelly (Armagh)
19 – Dermot McAleese (Antrim)
20 – Ross McGarry (Down)
21 – Shay McArdle (Down)
22 – Conal McNulty (Tyrone)
23 – Ryan Murray (Antrim)
24 – Michael Monan (Down)
25 – Killian Moynagh (Cavan)
26 – Aidan Brogan (Down)
27 – Matthew Jackson (Fermanagh)
28 – Sean Warnock (Tyrone)
29 – Gearard McGovern (Down)
I see Queens have him for now!
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Ok, maybe they havent. Seems to be starting for Ferm
McGourty named in experienced Saffrons side
03 January 2014
St Gall's ace CJ McGourty will make his Antrim return on Sunday after a lengthy absence.
The Saffrons face Cavan in their McKenna Cup opener in Creggan and new manager Liam Bradley has announced a strong line-up that includes other returnees such as Tony Scullion, Mark Sweeney, Michael McCann and Tomas McCann.
Antrim (McKenna Cup v Cavan) - Chris Kerr; Kevin O'Boyle, Ricky Johnston, Niall Delargy; Tony Scullion, Mark Sweeney, Justin Crozier; Michael McCann, Sean McVeigh; Conor Murray, Michael Pollock, Tomas McCann; CJ McGourty, Owen Gallagher, Anton Taylor.
Cavan team to play Antrim
03 January 2014
Cavan manager Terry Hyland has revealed his starting fifteen for their Dr McKenna Cup opener versus Antrim in Creggan.
Cavan Gaels pair Niall Smith and Micheal Lyng, who have returned to the panel after a long absence, are selected at left half back and centre forward respectively.
Killeshandra's Declan McKiernan partners Packie Leddy of Redhills at midfield.
Cavan (McKenna Cup v Antrim) - Conor Gilsenan; Josh Hayes, Rory Dunne, Killian Brady; Feargal Flanagan, Alan Clarke, Niall Smith; Declan McKiernan, Packie Leddy; Martin Reilly, Micheal Lyng, Turloc Mooney; Kevin Tierney, Martin Dunne, Eugene Keating.
Monaghan XV to play Derry
03 January
Eight players who featured in Monaghan's All-Ireland SFC quarter-final defeat to Tyrone last year have been named in the side to play Derry in the McKenna Cup on Sunday.
Rory Beggan, Kieran Duffy, Dessie Mone, Kieran Hughes, Dermot Malone, Jack McCarron, Christopher McGuinness and Paul Finlay all start while Padraig Donaghy and Vinny Corey are on the bench.
Newcomers Jonathan McGuigan, Paudie McKenna, Shane Carey and Daniel McKenna are also included in the starting fifteen.
Monaghan (McKenna Cup v Derry) - Rory Beggan; Jonathan McGuigan, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wylie; Fintan Kelly, Dessie Mone, Paudie McKenna; Gavin Doogan, Kieran Hughes; Dermot Malone, Jack McCarron, Shane Carey; Christopher McGuinness, Paul Finlay, Daniel McKenna.
Subs: Damien Lavelle, Conor Galligan, Karl O'Connell, Conor Boyle, Padraic Keenan, Thomas Kerr, Shane Smyth, Padraig Donaghy, Daniel McMahon, Vinny Corey, Gerard McCaffrey.
From Hoganstand/Monaghan
theres a lot of excitement ahead of this game. all we need is individuals to prove themselves and add the to last years team alongide those resting.
Fermanagh game off according to twitter,lot of people not happy with such a late cancellation
Tyrone 0-12 Donegal 1-07 5 left Morgan with 3 points and also saved a penalty.
Full time and tyrone win by 3. Great result for a really young team against a very strong Donegal team.Very early days but an excellent platform to work from for the rest of the McKenna cup. Special mention to Niall Morgan who scored three and saved a penalty in his first game since a nasty injury last summer.
Power NI Dr McKenna Cup - Results
Donegal 1-07 0-13 Tyrone
Armagh 1-16 0-15 Queen's
Monaghan 2-11 2-15 Derry
Fermanagh P-P St Mary's
Antrim 0-12 3-12 Cavan
Down 1-15 0-07 UUJ
McKenna Cup: Fermanagh v St Mary's match called off
Fermanagh's opening McKenna Cup Section B game against St Mary's has been called off after the Brewster Park pitch was deemed unplayable.
The decision to postpone the match was taken shortly before throw-in following a morning of heavy rain on Sunday.
The fixture was scheduled to be the first in charge for new Erne boss Peter McGrath, who was appointed to succeed Peter Canavan in November.
No new date has yet been set for the game.
Fermanagh are scheduled to play Derry at Owenbeg next Sunday, while St Mary's face Monaghan at Clones.
Derry host St Mary's and Fermanagh entertain Monaghan in the final round of group games under floodlights on Wednesday 15 January.
Armagh score was 1-17 to 0.15. Played at a very slow pace with no intensity. One black card to Robbie Tasker of Armagh after 20 minutes. Very harsh decision. Given for a bit of pushing and shoving after a free had already been given. Think only one yellow in game to a Queen's player near end.
Tyrone beat Donegal in McKenna Cup opener at Letterkenny
Holders Tyrone finished strongly to beat Donegal 0-13 to 1-7 in their Dr McKenna Cup opener at Letterkenny.
Donegal, fielding eight All-Ireland winners, scored just twice in the second half as an experimental Tyrone stepped up the tempo to win by three.
Michael Murphy's goal helped Donegal lead 1-5 to 0-5 at half-time with Niall Morgan also saving a Murphy penalty.
However, Tyrone bossed the second half with Paddy McNeice finishing with four points and sub Peter Hughes impressing.
Donegal's Martin O'Reilly suffered concussion after taking a blow to the head during the second half and will remain in Letterkenny Hospital overnight for further observation.
Two superb Ronan O'Neill points rewarded Tyrone's early dominance, and it wasn't until the 16th minute that Colm McFadden registered Donegal's opening score.
Two Murphy points had the sides level on 0-3 each when Donegal were awarded a penalty for Morgan's foul on debutant Darach O'Connor.
Morgan was perhaps fortunate to avoid a black card for the challenge and the Tyrone keeper exploited his escape to produce a stunning save to keep out Murphy's kick.
But Murphy darted through a massive gap in the Tyrone defence to drill home a 31st-minute goal as the home side took a 1-5 to 0-5 lead into the interval despite having played against the breeze.
However, Tyrone regrouped in the second half with early scores from McNeice and Ronan O'Neill and when Morgan converted a '45, followed by another McNeice score, they were level.
Murphy nudged Donegal back in front, and Donegal goalkeeper Paul Durcan pulled off a superb save to deny Mattie Donnelly, but gifted an equalising point to McNeice with a poor kick-out.
Donegal appeared to lose their composure after O'Reilly sustained his injury and Rory Kavanagh was forced out of the action by a black card in the 58th minute, conceding the free from which Morgan regained the lead for the Red Hands.
Murphy looked fortunate to avoid a red card after appearing to strike Shay McGuigan, with referee Barry Cassidy instead handing the home captain a yellow card.
Morgan's third long-range place kick and a point from the impressive Hughes sealed Tyrone's victory.
POWER NI DR MCKENNA CUP RESULTS
Section A
Donegal 1-07 0-13 Tyrone
Armagh 1-16 0-15 Queen's
Section B
Monaghan 2-11 2-15 Derry
Fermanagh P-P St Mary's College
Section C
Antrim 0-12 3-12 Cavan
Down 1-15 0-07 UUJ
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25615030
Great win by Tyrone today over ourselves. The easiest wa to describe the game was Tyrone were much hungrier for it. Donegal didn't perform to any kind of standard especially in the 2nd half and today showed that midfield is still a problem area for them. I'll discipline in the tackle gifted Tyrone frees which they converted easily which seen them over the finishing line
Great result for Tyrone today. I didn'texpect them to compete with a strong looking donegal team but it sounds like they were that bit hungrier. Anyone at the game who could post up any stand out performances?
Great performance from a young Tyrone team.
Thought Tiernan McCann was superb, great athlete.
Ronan O'Neill was very good, Niall McKenna put in a great shift and covered every blade of grass.
Given that there is about 10 first team starters not even in the
Squad, things look good for the year ahead!
Just remember boys, its McKenna Cup.
In January.
Cavan and UUJ ease to Dr McKenna Cup Section C victories
Goals were key as Cavan claimed a 3-12 to 0-12 win over Antrim in the McKenna Cup Section C opener at Creggan.
Cavan led by 1-3 to 0-4 at half-time, with their goal coming in the opening minute from Kevin Tierney.
This game opened up hugely on the restart, with goals from David Givney and Tierney in a 14-minute spell central to victory for the visitors.
Ten players scored for Down in the 1-15 to 0-7 win over UUJ at Newry with Peter Fitzpatrick hitting the goal.
At a wet and windy Creggan, Tierney's first-minute goal gave Cavan an immediate advantage and all Antrim's first-half points came from CJ McGourty with Martin Reily, Eugene Keating and Givney on target for the Breffni County.
Cavan increased their lead to five after the restart as the conditions improved although two Michael Pollock scores then left only a kick of the ball between the sides.
However, Givney's goal increased Cavan's advantage to 2-9 to 0-9 and Tierney hammered in the Breffni County's third goal after good work by Keating.
At Pairc Elser, UUJ started brightly thanks to scores from Antrim's Niall McKeever and Down's Paul McPolin, but Down registered five unanswered points and never looked back.
Mark Poland led the charge for the hosts with five points, with Down leading by 0-7 to 0-3 at the interval.
James McCartan's charges began the second half in the best possible fashion with Fitzpatrick's goal, as they moved 1-11 to 0-3 ahead by the 49th minute.
Caolan O'Boyle, Danny Savage and Danny McClean worked hard for the students but Down were full value for their 11-point win.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25616051
Ah god bless the BBC
Derry defeat Monaghan in Dr McKenna Cup clash at Clones
Ulster champions Monaghan succumbed to Derry as the Oak Leaf County claimed a 2-15 to 2-11 in the Dr McKenna Cup Section B opener at Clones.
Enda Lynn and James Kielt goals helped Derry move 2-4 to 0-6 ahead before Ryan Wylie netted for Monaghan to cut the margin to a point by half-time.
A Christopher McGuinness goal put Monaghan 2-8 to 2-5 ahead but seven unanswered points put Derry in control.
The other Section B game between Fermanagh and St Mary's was postponed.
Monaghan led by 0-4 to 0-2 after 20 minutes helped by two Paudie McKenna points but goals from Lynn and Kielt helped Derry move 2-4 to 0-6 today.
It could have been even better for Derry at that stage as Mark Lynch also hit the woodwork with a goal effort.
Wylie's goal cut the margin to a point at the break as he finished to the net after keeper Thomas Mallon had made a brilliant double-save to deny McGuinness.
Points from Paul Finlay and McGuinness nudged Monaghan ahead after the restart and while Kielt quickly levelled, McGuinness then netted to put the home side three up after the brave Mallon had produced another pointblank save.
However, Derry responded to Monaghan's second goal by striking seven unanswered points to lead by four, which included three Kielt scores and two points from Lynn.
That remained the margin at the finish as Derry held on to beat the Ulster champions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25615405
Was an impressive second half from a very inexperienced tyrone team. Lots of good performances across the team.
McKinley and McCann did well going forward. Thought Niall McKenna had an average first half but improved at midfield in the second half. Grugan did well for his debut. Mcguigan picked up a lot of ball, needs to use it a bit better at times but that will hopefully come.
O'Neill and McNeice did well up front. The rest of the team also worked hard. Mcrory made a terrible call for the goal but improved after.
Why was Kane taken off?
Mickey always seems to hit the ground running in Jan. No turkey in Tyrone.
Didn't notice an injury. Just didn't seem to be happening for him in midfield. I think he's better suited to the forward line at county level.
Mickey Harte unrepentant over his McKenna Cup stance
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Tyrone manager Mickey Harte insists that he has to play his university contingent during the McKenna Cup to prepare his squad for the National League.
The build-up to this year's McKenna Cup has again been dogged by the issue of the university teams losing many of their players to the various county squads but Harte put forward a strong defence of his stance after Sunday's opening win over Donegal.
"Some of the universities will have played 10, 11 or 12 games since late September. We have played no competitive games since we played Mayo (in August)," Harte told BBC Sport Northern Ireland.
"How can we possibly go out to try and formulate a team for the season with the National League starting in the first week of February if we haven't a chance to put our team together?
"It is an inter-county competition. We don't go into any third-level competition and demand that things should be a certain way. They are really invitees to this particular competition.
"They do give us all an extra game and I'm very grateful for that but I think the terms and conditions that we play under should suit inter-county teams first."
Funny the only person has a real problem with this rule is himself, tyrone have a large pick of players and am sure lads who dont go to uni and havent played for tyrone and may be a prospect dont get a run out. His problems are no different that any other of the county managers. He rather see the Uni out of the competition all together by the sound of it, where as i thought havent them in, brought the Mckenna cup back to life again
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 05, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
Funny the only person has a real problem with this rule is himself, tyrone have a large pick of players and am sure lads who dont go to uni and havent played for tyrone and may be a prospect dont get a run out. His problems are no different that any other of the county managers. He rather see the Uni out of the competition all together by the sound of it, where as i thought havent them in, brought the Mckenna cup back to life again
Did you read any of what Harte said, because what he said made logical sense to me especially about having had no games to prepare for the national league with all the players available whereby the uni's have had approx ten games to date already. Nor did u rebuke any of the very valid points he made.
He also mentioned the fact the Universities have had challenge matches to prepare for the Sigerson. Just because Tyrone choose not to play them shouldn't mean the Universities suffer.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 05, 2014, 08:39:35 PM
Funny the only person has a real problem with this rule is himself, tyrone have a large pick of players and am sure lads who dont go to uni and havent played for tyrone and may be a prospect dont get a run out. His problems are no different that any other of the county managers. He rather see the Uni out of the competition all together by the sound of it, where as i thought havent them in, brought the Mckenna cup back to life again
I'd say hartes emphasis on the McKenna cup during a time when tyrone where successful did a lot more for the McKenna cup than bringing in the universities. Personally I don't think they add much to it and the uni games are the ones I least like attending.
Quote from: stronghold on January 05, 2014, 08:19:16 PM
Mickey Harte unrepentant over his McKenna Cup stance
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Tyrone manager Mickey Harte insists that he has to play his university contingent during the McKenna Cup to prepare his squad for the National League.
The build-up to this year's McKenna Cup has again been dogged by the issue of the university teams losing many of their players to the various county squads but Harte put forward a strong defence of his stance after Sunday's opening win over Donegal.
"Some of the universities will have played 10, 11 or 12 games since late September. We have played no competitive games since we played Mayo (in August)," Harte told BBC Sport Northern Ireland.
"How can we possibly go out to try and formulate a team for the season with the National League starting in the first week of February if we haven't a chance to put our team together?
"It is an inter-county competition. We don't go into any third-level competition and demand that things should be a certain way. They are really invitees to this particular competition.
"They do give us all an extra game and I'm very grateful for that but I think the terms and conditions that we play under should suit inter-county teams first."
Just kick Tyrone out if they do not want to play to the same rules as everyone else! ;D
Quote from: stronghold on January 05, 2014, 08:19:16 PM
Mickey Harte unrepentant over his McKenna Cup stance
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Tyrone manager Mickey Harte insists that he has to play his university contingent during the McKenna Cup to prepare his squad for the National League.
The build-up to this year's McKenna Cup has again been dogged by the issue of the university teams losing many of their players to the various county squads but Harte put forward a strong defence of his stance after Sunday's opening win over Donegal.
"Some of the universities will have played 10, 11 or 12 games since late September. We have played no competitive games since we played Mayo (in August)," Harte told BBC Sport Northern Ireland.
"How can we possibly go out to try and formulate a team for the season with the National League starting in the first week of February if we haven't a chance to put our team together?
"It is an inter-county competition. We don't go into any third-level competition and demand that things should be a certain way. They are really invitees to this particular competition.
"They do give us all an extra game and I'm very grateful for that but I think the terms and conditions that we play under should suit inter-county teams first."
Is that Tyrone's new tactic? Makes sense to me. Down with them universities and their fly out menus.
Mickey Harte has a job to do, and he's dead right to try to do it in the best way he can. What concern is it of his if it makes the games less competitive, or doesn't help the universities preparation for Sigerson, if he lays claim to the players he wants to see play for Tyrone?
Mickey as usual pontificates but is highly selective to say the least and should be challenged on a number of issues
1. The Mc Kenna cup is no longer an inter- county competition. It is a competition organised by the Ulster Council which the 9 counties of Ulster and the 3 University colleges are invited to participate.
2. To say that the universities have already had 10-12 game is complete nonsense. Queens and St Mary's had 3 games in October and early November. UUJ had 6 because they went on to win the league.
3. The league in October/November is played in the middle of the Ulster club championship. None of the Universities can get their full team out before Christmas
4. The Universities may have had one challenge game from Christmas.
5. All of the Universities and Colleges in the other three provinces have their full complement of players in their competitions,allowing them to have a number of games at full strength in preparation for Sigerson, which starts the end of January. None of the counties in the other provinces seem to have a problem. In fact most actively encourage and support their university teams.
6. Failure to have all their players in the Mc Kenna cup means the the Ulster universities are not competitive and is placing them at a distinct disadvantage in Sigerson.
7. A total disregard for the competition regulations and the spirit in which they are made and endorsed by the counties each year.
8. It is clear that in some counties the county manager runs the show and the county board has lost control.
Quote from: stronghold on January 05, 2014, 09:57:47 PM
Mickey as usual pontificates but is highly selective to say the least and should be challenged on a number of issues
1. The Mc Kenna cup is no longer an inter- county competition. It is a competition organised by the Ulster Council which the 9 counties of Ulster and the 3 University colleges are invited to participate.
2. To say that the universities have already had 10-12 game is complete nonsense. Queens and St Mary's had 3 games in October and early November. UUJ had 6 because they went on to win the league.
3. The league in October/November is played in the middle of the Ulster club championship. None of the Universities can get their full team out before Christmas
4. The Universities may have had one challenge game from Christmas.
5. All of the Universities and Colleges in the other three provinces have their full complement of players in their competitions,allowing them to have a number of games at full strength in preparation for Sigerson, which starts the end of January. None of the counties in the other provinces seem to have a problem. In fact most actively encourage and support their university teams.
6. Failure to have all their players in the Mc Kenna cup means the the Ulster universities are not competitive and is placing them at a distinct disadvantage in Sigerson.
7. A total disregard for the competition regulations and the spirit in which they are made and endorsed by the counties each year.
8. It is clear that in some counties the county manager runs the show and the county board has lost control.
And what has any of this to do with a county manager preparing his team for the National League? In an age of county players preparing to a near professional level - it is nuts really to think Harte will happily let a significant proportion of his squad go and play for someone else in the only real warm up competition available. The universities add nothing to competition and Harte is perfectly within his rights to focus on his own team - maybe that's why he has 3 all Ireland's to his name?
Why doesnt he play challenge games like any other co manager.? Challenge games and Mckenna cup games are effectively the same thing, experimenting looking at players. He has a great track record doent mean what he does re the college teams is right
Tyrone should be banned from the McKenna cup for not adhering to the rules.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Why doesnt he play challenge games like any other co manager.? Challenge games and Mckenna cup games are effectively the same thing, experimenting looking at players. He has a great track record doent mean what he does re the college teams is right
Donegal won a couple of challenge games before today yet looked of the pace in the 2nd half. I think Harte could be right on them being a waste of time. Very different to real match situations.
Quote from: J70 on January 05, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
Just remember boys, its McKenna Cup.
In January.
Though to listen to the roars and screams and all with all the fist pumping from the Donegal support after each of their scores, you'd have thought it was an All Ireland title on the line.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Why doesnt he play challenge games like any other co manager.? Challenge games and Mckenna cup games are effectively the same thing, experimenting looking at players. He has a great track record doent mean what he does re the college teams is right
It's right for his team and that's what his remit is. Just because every other manager does it, doesn't make it the right thing to do either. I wouldn't reckon Mickey Harte should be taking his lead from Paul Grimley, Baker, et al. Maybe his great track record is due to being single minded about what is best for his team?
Possibly, He wants to win and all competitions. But if you hammered a half strenght college team, are you learning much? At least when they are full strenght you will have had a competitive game, as a big county like Tyrone would hardly be stuck for players
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2014, 12:03:37 AM
Possibly, He wants to win and all competitions. But if you hammered a half strenght college team, are you learning much? At least when they are full strenght you will have had a competitive game, as a big county like Tyrone would hardly be stuck for players
It's not about Tyrone being stuck for players and it's not about hammering Uni teams. Once the season starts Harte wants everyone available to him. I'm just surprised most people think this is such a crazy idea. You are absolutely right, there is little benefit in hammering a Uni team and I'll say Mickey puts little store in those games - but there's also little point in playing games without a significant number of your squad. It's not Hartes job to help prepare Queens or UUJ for the Sigerson Cup, his job is to prepare Tyrone for the National League and it's very important these days to remain in division 1 to maintain a high quality preparation for the championship.
£9 in to see Armagh v QUB, good to see the Grab All Association in full flight.
Quote from: Orior on January 05, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Tyrone should be banned from the McKenna cup for not adhering to the rules.
Is there a rule? I don't think it's set in stone. If there was it surely it wouldn't be an option for MH to take the players.
I am open to correction, as I am not sure, so to ask a question, the players who have to play for the uni's in the south have no choice but to play for the uni due to the contract they have with them re course fees and rent and accommodation paid for them etc, where as in the north the Gaa student would not get the same level of contractual benefits, which means the player has a choice?
QuoteTyrone should be banned from the McKenna cup for not adhering to the rules.
And you should be barred from the Gaaboard for being an imbecile.
What is the rule at the moment?
Is it only certain Uni players that decided to play for Tyrone but are there others than decided to play for their college?
I think it should be the choice of the players themselves as they are the ones doing all the hard work and training. Can you imagine if someone like Niall McKenna, who had been in & out of the squad for the last few years. If he finally had pushed on and had a good chance of making the squad or even the starting team but instead he was made to play for Queens. However, he really wanted to nail down his place in the squad but instead somebody else came in and played well in his place and so he missed out in the squad. Playing for a team like Tyrone you would be worried that you could miss out on a good run of games and possibly an Ulster or an AI medal later in the summer. Competition for places in the squad is fierce in Tyrone and so I don't think there are many young players who are cursing Mickey and thinking I really want to line out here for my college and NOT for Tyrone.
The main point in the colleges/players (in Ulster) argument here (and missed by many) is that it works brilliantly in the other provinces. Games are competitive, colleges have their players, county managers send reps to watch their players with colleges, county players love playing with their colleges as very often they are the main players and play well.
Yet up north you have a very different scenario. Managers are above the rules and their county boards are afraid to challenge them and the provincial council does nothing. The rule is clear in Ulster (same as the other provinces) "Colleges have first pick on players".
All players will choose to play for their colleges but I know county managers threaten players and put them in no win situations.
As for the scholarship thing, some players are on them some are not but ALL will play with their college. No exception.
Personally I don't blame the managers. If you know you can break the rules and get away with it then you will. If those who should be enforcing the rules stand by and do nothing then they are to blame for it getting to this stage. THE ULSTER COUNCIL are to blame, no-one else. Keep doing what you're doing Mickey Harte, cos you're too big for rules. The Ulster Council are afraid out of their lives of you!
Some brief footage of yesterdays Donegal v Tyrone McKenna Cup game can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWpOQgB2oj0
Quote from: Nally Stand on January 05, 2014, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 05, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
Just remember boys, its McKenna Cup.
In January.
Though to listen to the roars and screams and all with all the fist pumping from the Donegal support after each of their scores, you'd have thought it was an All Ireland title on the line.
As I'm sure the Tyrone support were too (certainly sounded that way on the radio).
Still doesn't change the fact that people shouldn't read much into games between half-fit teams in January.
The McKenna Cup is not exactly a reliable springboard for later season success.
Quote from: God14 on January 06, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Some brief footage of yesterdays Donegal v Tyrone McKenna Cup game can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWpOQgB2oj0
Looking again at Murphy's goal, with the poor conditions, the pick up and the finish were sublime.
Some player.
The pick up was nice alright but sure nobody went to him as he waltzed in and had time to pick his spot. The other two Tyrone defenders stuck with their own men so he had a clear run in but I suppose he did finish it well.
Of course it's very early days and all that and probably won't have much say in the National League or later in the year but it's great for the young Tyrone lads who came in to say that they went to Letterkenny with no AI medals for the first time in 10 years and beat a decent enough Donegal outfit who looked to have fielded a team intent on getting to the latter stages of this tournament.
Who was the Tyrone lad wearing the thick beard?
How did McBride do at CHB?
Did we play a sweeper?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
The pick up was nice alright but sure nobody went to him as he waltzed in and had time to pick his spot. The other two Tyrone defenders stuck with their own men so he had a clear run in but I suppose he did finish it well.
Of course it's very early days and all that and probably won't have much say in the National League or later in the year but it's great for the young Tyrone lads who came in to say that they went to Letterkenny with no AI medals for the first time in 10 years and beat a decent enough Donegal outfit who looked to have fielded a team intent on getting to the latter stages of this tournament.
Who was the Tyrone lad wearing the thick beard?
How did McBride do at CHB?
Did we play a sweeper?
Tiernan McCann is sporting the beard. Some beard that alright. It probably helps to get noticed too!
Quote from: orangeman on January 06, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 06, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Some brief footage of yesterdays Donegal v Tyrone McKenna Cup game can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWpOQgB2oj0
Looking again at Murphy's goal, with the poor conditions, the pick up and the finish were sublime.
Some player.
jesus he took some steps though before the finish
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 06, 2014, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 06, 2014, 01:58:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 06, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Some brief footage of yesterdays Donegal v Tyrone McKenna Cup game can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWpOQgB2oj0
Looking again at Murphy's goal, with the poor conditions, the pick up and the finish were sublime.
What the video does not show is Aidan McCrory making a complete f**k up, he was clear favourite to win the ball, but instead retreated back allowing Murphy to pick it up.
A really bad goal to give away
Some player.
jesus he took some steps though before the finish
Fairly poor standard in Clones yesterday and a few fairly messy goals - Doherty and Lynch had midfield well sown up for Derry - highlighted Monaghan's lack of depth in this sector whenever Clerkin and Lennon depart.
Shane Smyth worth a bit more time next day out - won a few decent balls in the forward line, even if the finishing was poor enough.
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 08:12:23 AM
£9 in to see Armagh v QUB, good to see the Grab All Association in full flight.
Bit steep alright but at long, long last at Newry we were issued with a receipt and it was clear that the stub was retained so that a basic cross-reference with takings could be made. Now I value the huge voluntary efforts of ticket-sellers/admission-men but the GAA has been far too slack in providing oversight arrangements over the years. In a cash business there will always be temptation and this move is overdue. The worst example of this practice was also at a Mc Kenna cup game several years ago between Down and Antrim , moved to Downpatrick at short notice. It was the first game of the Ross Carr and Jody Gormley ( respectively) management eras and a larger than expected crowd turned up. The young man taking the money at one gate didn't even have a bag- he was literally stuffing fivers and tenners into his back pockets. Maybe he was as honest as they come but it was shoddy. So at least our £9 should go to the Ulster Council this time.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 06, 2014, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 05, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
Tyrone should be banned from the McKenna cup for not adhering to the rules.
Is there a rule? I don't think it's set in stone. If there was it surely it wouldn't be an option for MH to take the players.
It is not set in stone, but it should be.
I cannot think of any good reason why it is not made a formal rule, and one less county in the McKenna cup will not cause any harm.
By the sounds of it a good start for the red hand. What chance a big game in omagh next wed
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 06, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on January 06, 2014, 08:12:23 AM
£9 in to see Armagh v QUB, good to see the Grab All Association in full flight.
Bit steep alright but at long, long last at Newry we were issued with a receipt and it was clear that the stub was retained so that a basic cross-reference with takings could be made. Now I value the huge voluntary efforts of ticket-sellers/admission-men but the GAA has been far too slack in providing oversight arrangements over the years. In a cash business there will always be temptation and this move is overdue. The worst example of this practice was also at a Mc Kenna cup game several years ago between Down and Antrim , moved to Downpatrick at short notice. It was the first game of the Ross Carr and Jody Gormley ( respectively) management eras and a larger than expected crowd turned up. The young man taking the money at one gate didn't even have a bag- he was literally stuffing fivers and tenners into his back pockets. Maybe he was as honest as they come but it was shoddy. So at least our £9 should go to the Ulster Council this time.
They had a similar issue in letterkenny on Sunday. We arrived shortly after throw in to find the stand completely full. We were then sent to a turnstile to pay but when I paid my €10 in I was told there was no tickets left. When I requested some form of proof of payment I was told he had none and to just go on in. I'd estimate there was 40/50 people entering at a similar time and none of these would of been issued tickets either and met people in the ground I knew who were in from the start and they had a similar issue
Ye's are all pretty silly if yous didnt take avail of the Ulster councils ticket for £20/25 euro for all 3 of your teams group matches, both semis and then the final! Works out at £4 ticket. Bargain
Quote from: our_fella on January 07, 2014, 01:08:06 AM
Ye's are all pretty silly if yous didnt take avail of the Ulster councils ticket for £20/25 euro for all 3 of your teams group matches, both semis and then the final! Works out at £4 ticket. Bargain
Yeah that is grand if you can make all 3 games and think your teams will get further than the group. I knew I couldn't make it to the Armagh game away and giving donegals track record under jim in th competition no guarentee they would make the semis
Quote from: donegal lad on January 07, 2014, 01:15:07 AM
Quote from: our_fella on January 07, 2014, 01:08:06 AM
Ye's are all pretty silly if yous didnt take avail of the Ulster councils ticket for £20/25 euro for all 3 of your teams group matches, both semis and then the final! Works out at £4 ticket. Bargain
Yeah that is grand if you can make all 3 games and think your teams will get further than the group. I knew I couldn't make it to the Armagh game away and giving donegals track record under jim in th competition no guarentee they would make the semis
I suppose for yous men out west, it involves a lot more travelling, as the final will probably be in Armagh again.. Good initiative though
Murphy's goal was a great finish. He did take 8 steps however ::)
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
The pick up was nice alright but sure nobody went to him as he waltzed in and had time to pick his spot. The other two Tyrone defenders stuck with their own men so he had a clear run in but I suppose he did finish it well.
Of course it's very early days and all that and probably won't have much say in the National League or later in the year but it's great for the young Tyrone lads who came in to say that they went to Letterkenny with no AI medals for the first time in 10 years and beat a decent enough Donegal outfit who looked to have fielded a team intent on getting to the latter stages of this tournament.
Who was the Tyrone lad wearing the thick beard?
How did McBride do at CHB?
Did we play a sweeper?
I don't know, but would guess 4
Quote from: our_fella on January 07, 2014, 01:08:06 AM
Ye's are all pretty silly if yous didnt take avail of the Ulster councils ticket for £20/25 euro for all 3 of your teams group matches, both semis and then the final! Works out at £4 ticket. Bargain
I like many I was talking to were pretty silly for paying £9 in on Sunday and I for one won't be back - the GAA needs to get it's f**king head out of it's hole, £9 after Christmas to see 3rd rate football, they are greedy bastards.
Been a joke how much it is in to the McKenna Cup for a long time. I remember in 2008 watching Armagh and Derry and thinking it would be a lock of pound, near dropped when I was told it was £8 (I think, could have been 9). The two teams were basically reserve sides too.
What exactly are people expecting? Champagne football, £3 entry and glossy programmes???
I froze my bollocks off, watched one muck team easily beat another muck team and to be honest was just glad to see the start of the 2014 season!!
a fiver would be more than enough to watch what are basically glorified challenge matches. I know the current admission price puts a lot of genuine gaa people off.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 07, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Been a joke how much it is in to the McKenna Cup for a long time. I remember in 2008 watching Armagh and Derry and thinking it would be a lock of pound, near dropped when I was told it was £8 (I think, could have been 9). The two teams were basically reserve sides too.
I didn't mind paying €10 into letterkenny on Sunday. To be fair compared to other Provençal councils the ulster council price their games pretty well. Wait to see the championship compare how much any game in ulster will cost to he much it costs to attend a game in the other 3 provinces.
Also €10 for a county Stich snt the worst seeing as it was €15 to get into the donegal club final a few months back
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 07, 2014, 08:46:48 PM
a fiver would be more than enough to watch what are basically glorified challenge matches. I know the current admission price puts a lot of genuine gaa people off.
I think a fiver would be a good & fair price, however I don't honestly think the extra £4 admission would put that many off going to the game. I think the Ulster council know that as well. They've done their homework.
Attendances would be more affected by things like weather, TV coverage (TG4), team news, location / proximity of the ground. The extra £4 admission is the sort of thing we all like to moan & groan about but ultimately are prepared to pay it
All under 16s in FOC which is helpful.
McGrath reign starts with defeat as St Mary's beat Fermanagh
Pete McGrath's reign as Fermanagh manager got off to a losing start as the county side fell to a 3-8 to 1-10 defeat by St Mary's in the McKenna Cup.
Fermanagh made a strong start, scoring the first six points of the game played at a foggy Brewster Park.
But Belfast college St Mary's hit back and a goal by Conal McCann helped them establish a 1-5 to 0-6 half-time lead.
Tomas Canavan got a second goal for the students and they clinched victory when Ronan Sexton netted late on.
In between, Seamus Quigley netted a penalty for Fermanagh.
St Mary's deserved their win, having played some good football and new Fermanagh boss McGrath will have been given plenty to ponder.
McGrath, who led Down to All-Ireland titles in 1991 and 1994, was appointed to the Erne county hot seat in November, succeeding former Tyrone star Peter Canavan was resigned after three years in charge.
New man McGrath could have been forgiven for thinking he was going to enjoy a winning start as the county side led 0-6 to 0-0 after 19 minutes.
However, the men in green failed to score for the rest of the half and McCann got the first goal for St Mary's who quickly added points through Tomas Canavan (2), Aidan Forker, Brendan Hasson and Conor McMahon.
Canavan and Quigley swapped points early in the second half before Canavan scored the second goal for St Mary's to put the visiting students into a 2-6 to 0-7 advantage 14 minutes into the half.
Fermanagh, though, hit back, scoring a goal and three points in eight minutes.
The goal came from a Quigley penalty after the big Fermanagh front man himself had been brought down by St Mary's full-back Niall Donnelly who received the game's only black card as a result.
Fermanagh were a point in front after 25 minutes of the second half but that was to be their last score and St Mary's finished strongly to clinch the victory.
A point by Peter Carragher and a goal by substitute Sexton swung the game their way and then Richard O'Callaghan, playing on his home pitch, scored another point for the college side.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/25614277
Mc Kenna Cup Regulations, not the Mickey Harte version
The Dr McKenna Cup is a most prestigious competition organised by Comhairle Uladh. The competition has been running since 1926. It was designed as a competition to aid Ulster teams in pre season preparation. It has always been a competitive tournament with a noticeable correlation between success in the Dr McKenna Cup and success in National League and Ulster Championship.
Some years ago, the Ulster Council allowed universities to enter the competition. This allows our universities to prepare for the Sigerson Cup which commences immediately afterwards and to offer fresh competition to counties. Counties also benefit from the extra game time and the opportunity to view new players prior to the National Football League. The Ulster Council has repeatedly welcomed the addition of universities to the competition.
For the universities to be competitive, they need to be allowed to play their Sigerson Cup panels. The format of allowing universities to compete has been so successful that all other provinces now follow suit.
The Ulster Council control the competition and apply the regulations. Universities do not have the panel strengths to compete unless they are allowed to play with their full Sigerson panels. Universities are not allowed to play first year students on the Sigerson team. In the spirit of the GAA, the progress of those players who are selected to play for their college in this competition and who are deemed to be suitable for the county team, should not be hindered. In most instances, counties have been accommodating in the above and it is the wish of the Ulster Council for this to continue.
Competition Regulations:
(1)University Teams have first preference on Players.
(2)University Teams must submit their panel of twenty six players prior to 2nd December and counties will have the opportunity to respond by 9th December, the same date that they must submit their panel of twenty six players. All lists will be approved by Competition Control Committee on behalf of Comhairle Uladh at the December meeting. Teams must be drawn from the twenty six players approved by Comhairle Uladh.
(3) Comhairle Uladh will appoint a mediator who will facilitate dialogue in the event of a disputed player.
(4) A player who has competed with his university team in a similar competition in another province may not participate in the Dr McKenna Cup competition, in accordance with Rial 3.47 (b) T.O. 2011.
(5) A player may not play with both his University and County Team in the same competition.
(6) If teams finish level on points scoring averages will apply.
(7) The fourth placed team shall be determined from the runner up in each
Section using the formula at (5) above.
(8) Refixtures shall be played at Floodlit Grounds.
(9) The Semi Finals and Final shall be played at Floodlit Grounds and include extra time if required.
(10) Failure to comply with Competition Regulations shall entail forfeiture of the game.
In the irish news today, Mickey gives an explanation about the colleges and counties debate.
At least he nailed his colours to the mast early and did not deviate.
Can anyone post it up or give us the gist of it?
Can anyone tell me how many Tyrone lads are lining out for their colleges?
I believe Tyrone have 6 UUJ lads, 2 QUB and at least 3 St Mary's
Quote from: orangeman on January 10, 2014, 08:48:31 AM
At least he nailed his colours to the mast early and did not deviate.
Nobody was expecting him to.
It would be interesting to know how much game time Tyrone's college players get in the competition. Surely if some of them only get the odd 10 or 15 minutes here and there, they'd be better off with their colleges?
How is a player better off playing with another team? How will he become familiar with the type of football you are trying to promote if he is not with your team, but with another? There can only be one answer if you have ever been involved in football.
Tyrone team v Queens – Sunday 12th January
Comórtas: Dr McKenna Cup
Cluiche: QUB v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: An Omaigh
Dáta: 12 Eanair 2014
Throw-in: 2pm
1 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Gallagher An Omaigh
3 Kevin Campbell Doire Treasc
4 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
8 Niall McKenna An Domhnach Mór
9 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
10 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
11 Peter Hughes Eiscreach
12 PJ Lavery Cluain Eo
13 Patrick Quinn Dún Geanainn
14 Daniel McNulty Cluain Eo
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
17 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
18 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
19 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
20 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Shea McGuigan Ard Bó
22 Emmett McKenna Eaglais
23 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
24 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
25 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
Derry make wholesale changes
09 January 2014
Derry manager Brian McIver has made eight changes in personnel to his team for Sunday's McKenna Cup round 2 game with Fermanagh.
Eoin McNicholl, Dermot McBride, Aidan McAlynn, Kevin Johnston, Patsy Bradley, Niall Holly, James Kearney and Aaron Kerrigan all come into the fold.
Thomas Mallon, Declan Brown, Charlie Kielt, Sean Leo McGoldrick, Fergal Doherty, Ciaran McFaul, Mark Lynch and Enda Lynn are the players to make way.
Derry (McKenna Cup v Fermanagh) - Eoin McNicholl; Michael McShane, Oisin Duffy, Dermot McBride; Carlus McWilliams, Aidan McAlynn, Kevin Johnston; Patsy Bradley, Niall Holly; Benny Heron, James Kielt, James Kearney; Declan Mullan, Emmett McGuckin, Aaron Kerrigan.
Subs: Thomas Mallon, Declan Brown, Mark Craig, Charlie Kielt, Sean Leo McGoldrick, Peter Cassidy, Paudie McGuigan, Fergal Doherty, Ciaran McFaul, Neill McNicholl, Ciaran McGoldrick, Anthony O'Neill.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=207311
Bradley names experimental Antrim side
09 January 2014
Antrim football manager Liam BradleyNew Antrim manager Liam Bradley has named an experimental side to face Jordanstown in the McKenna Cup at Creggan on Sunday.
Antrim (McKenna Cup v UUJ) - Oisin Kerr; Kevin O'Boyle, Dermot McCann, Justin Crozier; Tony Scullion, Martin Johnston, Mark McAleese; Mark Sweeney, Michael McCann; Conor Murray, Philip Maguire, Paddy Kelly; Paddy Cunningham, CJ McGourty, Brian Neeson.
Subs: Chris Kerr, Richard Johnston, Owen Gallagher, Sean McVeigh, Michael Pollock, Tomas McCann, James Lavery, Niall Delargy, Anton Taylor, Patrick Gallagher, David McGuckin, Conal Kelly.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=207312
Armagh team to play Donegal
10 January 2014
The Armagh team to play Donegal on Sunday in the Athletic Grounds, shows three changes from the side that defeated Queen's.
Philip McEvoy, James Lavery and Stefan Forker start in place of Niall Geoghegan, Stephen Harold and Eugene McVerry.
Armagh (McKenna Cup v Donegal) - Philip McEvoy; Andy Mallon, Charlie Vernon, Gary McCooey; Mark Shields, Kieran Toner, Ciarán Rafferty; Ethan Rafferty, James Lavery; Oisín Mac Íomhair, Brian Mallon, Stefan Campbell; Robbie Tasker, Stefan Forker, Niall McConville.
Subs: Niall Geoghegan, Ciarán Mac Íomhair, Finian Moriarty, Eugene McVerry, Eddie English, Paudi Rodgers, Kevin O'Rourke, Ciaran McCooey, Diarmuid O'Hagan, Miceal McKenna.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=207334
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Tyrone team v Queens – Sunday 12th January
Comórtas: Dr McKenna Cup
Cluiche: QUB v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: An Omaigh
Dáta: 12 Eanair 2014
Throw-in: 2pm
1 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Gallagher An Omaigh
3 Kevin Campbell Doire Treasc
4 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
8 Niall McKenna An Domhnach Mór
9 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
10 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
11 Peter Hughes Eiscreach
12 PJ Lavery Cluain Eo
13 Patrick Quinn Dún Geanainn
14 Daniel McNulty Cluain Eo
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
17 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
18 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
19 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
20 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Shea McGuigan Ard Bó
22 Emmett McKenna Eaglais
23 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
24 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
25 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
Yeah the college lads were badly needed, Mattie Donnely, Ronan O Neill, Danny McBride, sitting on the bench
Thieves target county team
08 January 2014
Cavan County Board has increased security around Kingspan Breffni Park after five members of the senior football panel had personal belongings stolen during a training session.
Terry Hyland and his players were putting the finishing touches to their preparations for their Dr McKenna Cup opener against Antrim when their dressing room was burgled on Friday, January 3rd between 8-9pm.
Gardai are investigating the incident in which smart phones, wallets, cash and a set of car keys were stolen.
"We're very disappointed that while a group of players representing their county were out training in preparation for the match at the weekend, individuals would target them like that," PRO Declan Woods said to the Anglo Celt.
"It's indicative of incidents occurring at this time, and it is a reminder that we all must be more aware and vigilant in protecting our property, whether that's at home or elsewhere."
A spokesperson for Cavan Gardai told the Anglo Celt: "We'd be appealing to anyone who was in Breffni Park at the time, or around the area who may have observed anyone or anything suspicious to report it to Gardai."
Monaghan make changes for St Mary's test
10 January 2014
Monaghan boss Malachy O'Rourke has made a raft of personnel changes to his team to play St Mary's College, Belfast on Sunday.
Gerard McCaffrey, an Ulster club JFC winner with Emyvale, replaces Rory Beggan between the posts while Padraic Keenan, Thomas Kerr, Shane Smyth and Padraig Donaghy, who were introduced as substitutes in the opening round against Derry come into the attack.
Monaghan (McKenna Cup v St Mary's) - Gerard Mc Caffrey; Fintan Kelly, Kieran Duffy, Ryan Wylie; Karl O'Connell, Dessie Mone, Conor Galligan; Gavin Doogan, Kieran Hughes; Padraic Keenan, Jack McCarron, Thomas Kerr; Christopher McGuinness, Shane Smyth, Padraig Donaghy.
Subs: Damien Lavelle, Rory Beggan, Paudie McKenna, Conor Boyle, Dick Clerkin, Stephen Galloghy, Shane Carey, Dermot Malone, Daniel Mc Kenna, Paul Finlay, Vinny Corey.
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Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Tyrone team v Queens – Sunday 12th January
Comórtas: Dr McKenna Cup
Cluiche: QUB v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: An Omaigh
Dáta: 12 Eanair 2014
Throw-in: 2pm
1 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Gallagher An Omaigh
3 Kevin Campbell Doire Treasc
4 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
8 Niall McKenna An Domhnach Mór
9 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
10 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
11 Peter Hughes Eiscreach
12 PJ Lavery Cluain Eo
13 Patrick Quinn Dún Geanainn
14 Daniel McNulty Cluain Eo
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
17 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
18 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
19 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
20 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Shea McGuigan Ard Bó
22 Emmett McKenna Eaglais
23 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
24 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
25 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
Yeah the college lads were badly needed, Mattie Donnely, Ronan O Neill, Danny McBride, sitting on the bench
They just weren't needed for this game. I'd say by end of the McKenna cup the boys above will get more game time than they would have with their uni. Plus the games they play in will be more competitive.
Armagh TV will be streaming the game v Donegal worldwide for only a £1!
Queen's University have named their team and squad for the McKenna Cup clash with Tyrone in Healy Park this Sunday (12th January). The game throws in at 2pm.
1 – Michael Cunningham (Down)
2 – Peter Quinn (Derry)
3 – Che Cullen (Fermanagh)
4 – Conal McNulty (Tyrone)
5 – Ryan Mallon (Down)
6 – Darren O'Hanlon (Louth)
7 – Ciaran McCartan (Down)
8 – Martin McElhinney (c) (Donegal)
9 – Aaron Finden (Armagh)
10 – Ryan Murray (Antrim)
11 – Conor Maginn (Down)
12 – Harry og Conlon (Tyrone)
13 – Shay McArdle (Down)
14 – Rory Grugan (Armagh)
15 – Ryan Rafferty (Armagh)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2014, 02:15:36 PM
Bradley names experimental Antrim side
09 January 2014
Antrim football manager Liam BradleyNew Antrim manager Liam Bradley has named an experimental side to face Jordanstown in the McKenna Cup at Creggan on Sunday.
Antrim (McKenna Cup v UUJ) - Oisin Kerr; Kevin O'Boyle, Dermot McCann, Justin Crozier; Tony Scullion, Martin Johnston, Mark McAleese; Mark Sweeney, Michael McCann; Conor Murray, Philip Maguire, Paddy Kelly; Paddy Cunningham, CJ McGourty, Brian Neeson.
Subs: Chris Kerr, Richard Johnston, Owen Gallagher, Sean McVeigh, Michael Pollock, Tomas McCann, James Lavery, Niall Delargy, Anton Taylor, Patrick Gallagher, David McGuckin, Conal Kelly.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=207312
How exactly could that side be deemed experimental?
Grimley has pulled Jamie Clarke from J'Town,and is playing for Armagh today.
http://www.teamtalkmag.com/archives/26541
Coverage of Tyrone V QUB on above link
QuoteGrimley has pulled Jamie Clarke from J'Town,and is playing for Armagh today.
Now sign of JC, but Armagh doing rightly. 0-07 to 0-03 at half time.
Ty 1-06 Qub 1-06 ht
Antrim 1-10 UUJ 2-5...leaking goals again!!
Clarke now on for Armagh. JC works miracles.
Anyone have Queens team?
Quote from: ApresMatch on January 12, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
Anyone have Queens team?
1 – Michael Cunningham (Down)
2 – Peter Quinn (Derry)
3 – Che Cullen (Fermanagh)
4 – Conal McNulty (Tyrone)
5 – Ryan Mallon (Down)
6 – Darren O'Hanlon (Louth)
7 – Ciaran McCartan (Down)
8 – Martin McElhinney (c) (Donegal)
9 – Aaron Finden (Armagh)
10 – Ryan Murray (Antrim)
11 – Conor Maginn (Down)
12 – Harry og Conlon (Tyrone)
13 – Shay McArdle (Down)
14 – Rory Grugan (Armagh)
15 – Ryan Rafferty (Armagh)
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Dr McKenna Cup: Tyrone and Donegal win in Section A
Holders Tyrone beat Queen's 3-19 to 1-08 to put themselves in pole position to reach the McKenna Cup semi-finals.
In Sunday's other Section A fixture, a Colm McFadden goal proved crucial as Donegal fought back from five points down to beat Armagh by 1-10 to 0-11.
Armagh had led 0-7 to 0-3 at the interval at the Athletic Grounds.
In the game at Healy Park, two of Tyrone's goals came from debutants, Danny McNulty and PJ Lavery, both from county champions Clonoe.
The sides were level on eight occasions before the Red Hands displayed their quality to pull clear in the second half.
Queen's started brightly with a couple of Ryan Murray points, but were rocked by a Tyrone goal in the eighth minute, debutant Danny McNulty finishing to the net from close-range after Peter Hughes, Connor McAliskey and Niall McKenna had combined.
But the students responded with a Ryan Rafferty goal three minutes later, and were level when Rory Grugan landed a long-range point.
It was a tightly-contested opening half, with Murray and Ryan Rafferty again on target for QUB, while McAliskey and debutant Patrick Quinn hit Tyrone points.
It was Queen's centre back Darren O'Hanlon who brought the sides level on 1-6 each in stoppage time.
Once they got the wind in their backs, Tyrone eased clear with scores from McNulty, McAliskey and Peter Hughes, although they needed a superb block from Hugh Gallagher to deny Harry Og Conlan a goal.
Ronan O'Neill came off the bench to slot over a couple of delightful scores as the home side weased into a six points lead with less than a quarter of an hour to play.
McAliskey brought his tally to four, and his Clonoe club-mate PJ Lavery capped a fine debut with his side's second goal, before Paddy McNeice netted a third, Queen's held scoreless for the final half-hour.
SUNDAY'S POWER NI DR MCKENNA CUP RESULTS
Section A
Tyrone 3-19 1-08 Queen's
Armagh 0-11 1-10 Donegal
Section B
Monaghan 1-16 0-08 St Mary's College
Derry 1-11 2-04 Fermanagh
Section C
Antrim 1-17 2-08 UUJ
Cavan 1-09 0-05 Down
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25689593
Very happy with Armagh today. Played some really nice football for this time of the year. Tailed off towards the end as I thought Donegal had stronger players on the bench and the ref did us no favours.
The work rate and commitment from all the players was first class. In particular Andy Mallon, the two Raffertys and Shields all impressed.
Leaves me feeling optimistic for the year ahead.
In addition to those mentioned above, I thought Stefan Campbell showed well for Armagh.
From the Anglo celt.
Cavan 1-9
Down 0-5
Paul Fitzpatrick
in Kingscourt
With a year's hard grind under their belts, Cavan have hit the ground running in 2014 and, having easily seen off Antrim in round one, they picked up their second McKenna Cup win over a lacklustre Down at O Raghallaigh Park, Kingscourt last Sunday.
In desperately slippery underfoot conditions, the hosts were the better side throughout and led from the fifth minute, when Eugene Keating pointed a free, until the long whistle. The Breffni men were well up for the challenge, too, as was exemplified when Keating landed his second point in the eighth minute and responded with a fist pump towards the large home crowd.
A David Givney point made it 0-3 to 0-0 but Down – who kicked a dozen wides in all – managed to claw it back to a one-point game at the break with frees from Niall Madine and Darragh O'Hanlon.
Sub Kevin Tierney, who had bagged two goals against Antrim, set Cavan on their way at the start of the second half, though, sending a rocket to the roof of the Down net with his fist touch after great work from Keating.
Down replied with points from Madine and Ryan Boyle but Cavan quickly took charge, with Givney – relocated to midfield at the start of the second half – and Keating to the fore, along with full-back Rory Dunne, who turned in a commanding performance.
A long-range point from newcomer Philip Tinnelly was followed by two super scores from Turloc Mooney as Cavan poured forward in the final 20 minutes. Points from Givney, Keating (free) and Niall Murray saw them pull eight clear before Benny Coulter rounded off the scoring with a consolation free.
"We showed good form in the second half, I thought we started very well but we got caught up in the spider's web, trying to run down the centre into a crowded defence, but the boys talked about how to open it up among themselves at half-time, and in fairness they did that," said Cavan manager Terry Hyland.
Down boss James McCartan, meanwhile, bemoaned his list of walking wounded.
"It's very difficult when you're missing players through injury, we're missing nearly a forward line at the minute with Ambrose, Mark Poland, Donal O'Hare, Conor Lavery, Paul Devlin and two or three others."
Cavan: C Gilsenan; J Hayes, R Dunne, K Brady; P Tinnelly (0-1), A Clarke, N Smith; D McKiernan, P Leddy; M Reilly, N McDermott, T Mooney (0-2) ; C Mackey, D Givney (0-2), E Keating (0-3, 2f).
Subs; K Tierney (1-0) for P Leddy (half-time); M Lyng for D McKiernan (40); N Murray (0-1) for M Reilly (BC, 47); M Dunne for N McDermott (54); Damien Reilly for P Tinnelly (59); D Barkey for K Brady (66).
Down: S Harrison; D McCartan, P Turley, D O'Hagan; D O'Hanlon (0-1, 1f) , A Carr, M Lively; K King, G McArdle; R Boyle (0-1) , C O'Hare, B McArdle; P Fitzpatrick, N Madine (0-2), E McCartan.
Subs; C Garvey for D O'Hanlon (BC, 46); B Coulter (0-1,1f) for P Fitzpatrick (48); L Doyle for N Madine (52); D Turley for G McArdle (58); Sean Bell for E McCartan (60); S McNamee for D O'Hagan (69).
Fairly encouraging stuff from Armagh there today. We might have held on but for Donegal's strength from the bench and a couple of injuries killing some of our momentum. Although Donegal don't look like they've done much work over the winter, it's still difficult to compete when they're bring on All Ireland winners while we giving debuts to U21s.
I thought best for us were E Rafferty and Tasker. Rafferty is a massive prospect. Tasker took some lovely points from tricky enough angles; he has that ability to make difficult things look simple. Others that were good included Lavery, Vernon, Campbell, Shields and C Rafferty. Vernon did as well as most will do on Murphy; he could be an option at FB yet. Wouldn't be entirely convinced by their defensive abilities, but the two wing backs were very good going forward. In particular, Rafferty looks as comfortable with ball in hand as any newcomer I've seen. This has been a good winter for us so far with several new lads showing well.
The only club not named in the programme was under the Derrytresk player. Our big moment ruined.
WE EXIST.
Were none of ye in Omagh yesterday?
Was hoping to hear a bit of feedback from the game.
Especially interested on how Grugan and MCKenna did at MF.
Watched the video interviews on teamtalkmag.
Still no black cards handed out. Would be nice to keep that going for a few months.
For Monaghan it's good to see some of the new players making their mark. Ryan Wylie has been one to watch ever since he put the brakes on Conor McMcManus in the 2012 Monaghan SFC final. He's certainly proving he's up to this level of football and should be given a good few NFL games to continue his place in the team. Paudie McKenna should get a run against Fermanagh - again he's got the ability to nail down a wing back slot in the team. Vinny Corey and Kieran Duffy ought to be worried retaining their places.
Sadly Johnny McGuigan injured his hamstring against Louth in an U-21 challenge. Hopefully he gets his chance, as he's a natural leader. With Neil McAdam in Oz, the CHB position is up for grabs and it's McGuigan's natural position.
In attack, Jack McCarron has huge ability and his tally against St Mary's indiactes he'll be given an extended run at CHF during the NFL. Midfield is a concern and there is no obvious talent coming through in this sector.
Also good to see Pete Dooney doing well for DCU in Leinster. Dooney struggled to make an impact as a forward last year. Perhaps half back (where he's playing with DCU ) is his best position?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2014, 03:23:10 PM
Clarke now on for Armagh. JC works miracles.
Hmmm. Clarke came on when Armagh were ahead, and then we lost the game. Clarke also missed a penalty in Cross before Christmas, and Armagh lost to Derry.
Quote from: Orior on January 13, 2014, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2014, 03:23:10 PM
Clarke now on for Armagh. JC works miracles.
Hmmm. Clarke came on when Armagh were ahead, and then we lost the game. Clarke also missed a penalty in Cross before Christmas, and Armagh lost to Derry.
So what are you saying?
UUJ have conceded Wednesdays nights game to Cavan.
Cavan through to the semi finals.
Have Monaghan qualified as well ?
Quote from: orangeman on January 14, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
Have Monaghan qualified as well ?
no. Lost the opener to Derry by 4pts. I'm not sure if a win against Fermanagh would even be enough for Monaghan.
UUJ conceding fixture to Cavan. Just adds to the farce, who could blame them.
UUJ released a statement
UUJ in consultation with the Ulster Council have with regret conceded the Mc Kenna cup game against Cavan on Wednesday 15th
January 2014
UUJ find ourselves unable to fulfil this fixture due to circumstance beyond our control
A combination of senior players involved in examinations on Wednesday evening and Thursday morning along with a number of
injuries and a significant number of players involved with their counties has forced us to concede the game. This decision has not been taken lightly and UUJ have explored all avenues to avoid having to take this course of action.
We want to put on record that we do not wish to disrespect our opponents on Wednesday night namely Cavan or indeed the Mc Kenna Cup competition itself.
The Mc Kenna Cup is a competition which UUJ look forward each year and which we have derived enormous benefit from participating in. We look forward to participating in the Mc Kenna Cup fully again in 2015. UUJ GAA wish to thank Ulster GAA for their ongoing help and co operation and fully support them in any future initiatives in order to ensure continued third level participation in the
Dr. Mc Kenna Cup in the future.
Imagine. University students doing exams ;D
Regarding students doing exams
Is this not a good reason why the players should be playing for the colleges? Imagine an arrangement where;
Students of county teams are able to play for their college and play inter county opposition
Fringe players not at colleges can now have an opportunity to play for their county and impress management
Students can train with the college, at the college, which reduces travel time and provides more time to study (yes they do study)
Summary, An arrangement where pressure on students is n reduced and opportunities for fringe players is created.
Wow, when you actually think of the student's well being, this arrangement has so many positives.
But counter to that, let's have a process that suits the ego of a manager, who doesn't really care about the pressure the students are under (exams) and who demands total control.
Time to pull the College teams out of this competition.
They barely ever win a game, bring nothing in terms of attendance etc.
the county teams need the players as the league starts in Feb.
Just make it a competition for county teams again, simple.
Be hard for them to win a game when half the team is with the County teams. By taking out the 3 College teams, that would be a game less, and since Tyrone love the competition so much, that would be a game less for them ahead of the National League. A game less to look at players
The other 3 provinces have no problem with the college teams.
Quote from: sam03/05 on January 14, 2014, 06:34:28 PM
Time to pull the College teams out of this competition.
They barely ever win a game, bring nothing in terms of attendance etc.
the county teams need the players as the league starts in Feb.
Just make it a competition for county teams again, simple.
It's not that long ago a college team was in the foal of the competition. Fermanagh were beat by a college team the year. No other province has any bother with college tens playing in their competitions and the majority of teams in ulster are the same. Tyrone set the precedent by having all their college payers in their squad and other counties followed (Armagh with Jamie Clark). I'd ask anybody to tell me what Mickey Harte has learnt about someone like mattie Donnelly over the course of the competition that he didn't already know
Quote from: sam03/05 on January 14, 2014, 06:34:28 PM
Time to pull the College teams out of this competition.
They barely ever win a game, bring nothing in terms of attendance etc.
the county teams need the players as the league starts in Feb.
Just make it a competition for county teams again, simple.
if tyrone don't want to play by the spirit of the competition its time to put them out. are tyrone struggling for players so much that they cant do without the uni players.
The problem here is that the universities cant compete without stealing the county players. You have one club, one county but you can have 3 different Universities or Polytechnics you can play for. University football lost my respect when they set Donegal men loose round Belfast in Toyota Celicas..
Quote from: rrhf on January 14, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
The problem here is that the universities cant compete without stealing the county players. You have one club, one county but you can have 3 different Universities or Polytechnics you can play for. University football lost my respect when they set Donegal men loose round Belfast in Toyota Celicas..
Total nonsense
Quote from: donegal lad on January 14, 2014, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on January 14, 2014, 06:34:28 PM
Time to pull the College teams out of this competition.
They barely ever win a game, bring nothing in terms of attendance etc.
the county teams need the players as the league starts in Feb.
Just make it a competition for county teams again, simple.
It's not that long ago a college team was in the foal of the competition. Fermanagh were beat by a college team the year. No other province has any bother with college tens playing in their competitions and the majority of teams in ulster are the same. Tyrone set the precedent by having all their college payers in their squad and other counties followed (Armagh with Jamie Clark). I'd ask anybody to tell me what Mickey Harte has learnt about someone like mattie Donnelly over the course of the competition that he didn't already know
I'd say he's hoping to learn how he reacts to a bit more responsibility given that he is me of the most experienced players in the squad now with all the absentees. He was given the chance to captain his county v Donegal, something which I'm sure mattie considers a great honour. He's also getting to experiment with him in the full forward line, a place he hadn't got much experience at county level.
Apart from that he needs the likes of him in order to give the younger players the chance to integrate at the level. No point n sticking a complete team of rookies out.
I'd say being involved with tyrone will improve matter Donnelly as a player at the level as opposed to being in his uni team. He's still learning all the time and there's no doubt the county games particularly the knock out ones are of a higher standard than those involving students which often lack bite.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 14, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
Be hard for them to win a game when half the team is with the County teams. By taking out the 3 College teams, that would be a game less, and since Tyrone love the competition so much, that would be a game less for them ahead of the National League. A game less to look at players
The other 3 provinces have no problem with the college teams.
Not really - just play two groups. A group of five and group of four. Play games on a Sunday and Wednesday, that way we get more games.
Mickey Harte runs the McKenna Cup from his chaise longe as he gets fed grapes by ulster council reps and is fanned with big feathers by tyrone county board officials.
Quote from: sam03/05 on January 14, 2014, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 14, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
Be hard for them to win a game when half the team is with the County teams. By taking out the 3 College teams, that would be a game less, and since Tyrone love the competition so much, that would be a game less for them ahead of the National League. A game less to look at players
The other 3 provinces have no problem with the college teams.
Not really - just play two groups. A group of five and group of four. Play games on a Sunday and Wednesday, that way we get more games.
3 games is enough with the College teams. Tyrone should organize a few challenge games if they want more games
I personally think there is too much emphasis on university football. It's about the universities flexing their muscles and in some cases trying to do out do each other. Players are only there normally for 3 or 4 years max and I find it hard to believe that anyone has huge loyalty to that uni, certainly not compared to their club or county. The games do not exactly attract a huge following. I wonder do the people on here who keep knocking tyrone actually follow university football?
Quote from: ck on January 14, 2014, 08:56:13 PM
Mickey Harte runs the McKenna Cup from his chaise longe as he gets fed grapes by ulster council reps and is fanned with big feathers by tyrone county board officials.
He should get the cup named after him.
Out of interest how many Tyrone players are being pulled away from the Uni teams in comparison to other counties?
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 14, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Out of interest how many Tyrone players are being pulled away from the Uni teams in comparison to other counties?
Tyrone have taken 10
Down 2
Monaghan 2
Fermanagh 1
Armagh and Antrim won't let their uni players play against them
So against Antrim UUJ where without 11 players
GAA should make an enforce a rule that colleges have 1st call on players. Cavan don't involve students or u21s yet can still field a competitive team. Are we expected to believe Tyrone can't. I'm getting a bit sick of Mickey Harte and his whinging. Man up and grow a pair ulster council.
Quote from: ck on January 14, 2014, 08:56:13 PM
Mickey Harte runs the McKenna Cup from his chaise longe as he gets fed grapes by ulster council reps and is fanned with big feathers by tyrone county board officials.
I was thinking more blackberries and brackens.
There's a lot of Tyrone boys at university. They must be very smart in Tyrone ?
Na, the most of them are at the Poly
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 15, 2014, 12:27:56 AM
Na, the most of them are at the Poly
Now Now jealousy again
Quote from: stronghold on January 14, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 14, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Out of interest how many Tyrone players are being pulled away from the Uni teams in comparison to other counties?
Tyrone have taken 10
Down 2
Monaghan 2
Fermanagh 1
Armagh and Antrim won't let their uni players play against them
So against Antrim UUJ where without 11 players
Is this just for UUJ? If this is reflected across the other universities then its hardly surprising Tyrone take the stand they do - its ok for Down, Monaghan, Armagh etc when losing 1 or 2 players but if you are losing 10 players from one University and god knows how many when you combine all three, then add in the older players who are being phased back, it would be a pretty pointless competition for Tyrone to enter as any sort of meaningful preparation for the season ahead.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 15, 2014, 09:08:31 AM
Quote from: stronghold on January 14, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 14, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Out of interest how many Tyrone players are being pulled away from the Uni teams in comparison to other counties?
Tyrone have taken 10
Down 2
Monaghan 2
Fermanagh 1
Armagh and Antrim won't let their uni players play against them
So against Antrim UUJ where without 11 players
Is this just for UUJ? If this is reflected across the other universities then its hardly surprising Tyrone take the stand they do - its ok for Down, Monaghan, Armagh etc when losing 1 or 2 players but if you are losing 10 players from one University and god knows how many when you combine all three, then add in the older players who are being phased back, it would be a pretty pointless competition for Tyrone to enter as any sort of meaningful preparation for the season ahead.
No
Quote from: sheamy on January 15, 2014, 09:10:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 15, 2014, 09:08:31 AM
Quote from: stronghold on January 14, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 14, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Out of interest how many Tyrone players are being pulled away from the Uni teams in comparison to other counties?
Tyrone have taken 10
Down 2
Monaghan 2
Fermanagh 1
Armagh and Antrim won't let their uni players play against them
So against Antrim UUJ where without 11 players
Is this just for UUJ? If this is reflected across the other universities then its hardly surprising Tyrone take the stand they do - its ok for Down, Monaghan, Armagh etc when losing 1 or 2 players but if you are losing 10 players from one University and god knows how many when you combine all three, then add in the older players who are being phased back, it would be a pretty pointless competition for Tyrone to enter as any sort of meaningful preparation for the season ahead.
No
So what is that figure then? The post certainly suggests that this is the number of Tyrone players withdrawn from the UUJ panel. Do you have the actual numbers then Sheamy?
I'm heartened by Brian McIver's viewpoint on it, fair play to him.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 15, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
I'm heartened by Brian McIver's viewpoint on it, fair play to him.
What did he say? I've always been impressed with McIvors logical comments post match
No harm if the Uni's got the call on about 1/3 of the panel then I completely understand the reason why MH is not happy. It would make the McKenna cup a farce of a competition for Tyrone and would be of no benefit to how he prepares the county team for the league. He's not there to help the Universities to prepare their teams, he's there to manage Tyrone and I'd 100% agree with his stance.
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2014, 11:18:32 PM
GAA should make an enforce a rule that colleges have 1st call on players. Cavan don't involve students or u21s yet can still field a competitive team. Are we expected to believe Tyrone can't. I'm getting a bit sick of Mickey Harte and his whinging. Man up and grow a pair ulster council.
No you are not expected to believe that. If Tyrone let all their Uni players go they could still field but it would be with players who have no chance of game time in the league or Championship so it would be pointless. Mickey's job is to prepare Tyrone as best he can and this is what he is doing without breaking any rules. He is 100% in the right. Tyrone are playing in division 1 football and if you don't prepare as best as possible prepare to get beaten.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 15, 2014, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: sheamy on January 15, 2014, 09:10:52 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 15, 2014, 09:08:31 AM
Quote from: stronghold on January 14, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 14, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Out of interest how many Tyrone players are being pulled away from the Uni teams in comparison to other counties?
Tyrone have taken 10
Down 2
Monaghan 2
Fermanagh 1
Armagh and Antrim won't let their uni players play against them
So against Antrim UUJ where without 11 players
Is this just for UUJ? If this is reflected across the other universities then its hardly surprising Tyrone take the stand they do - its ok for Down, Monaghan, Armagh etc when losing 1 or 2 players but if you are losing 10 players from one University and god knows how many when you combine all three, then add in the older players who are being phased back, it would be a pretty pointless competition for Tyrone to enter as any sort of meaningful preparation for the season ahead.
No
So what is that figure then? The post certainly suggests that this is the number of Tyrone players withdrawn from the UUJ panel. Do you have the actual numbers then Sheamy?
Wouldn't know each and every player Benny but I recall reading that figure of 10 as a combined one in the paper a few weeks ago. A quick google gives some info but I wouldn't know more beyond this.
In his panel, Harte has named Mattie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Barry Tierney and Conor McAliskey (all UUJ), Conor Clarke, Danny McBride and Niall Morgan (St. Mary's) and Niall McKenna (Queen's University) in his ranks. - See more at: http://donegalnews.com/2014/01/long-break-has-been-refreshing-for-jim-mcguinness-and-donegal/#sthash.9olBW9Bv.dpuf
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 15, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
I'm heartened by Brian McIver's viewpoint on it, fair play to him.
He probably only loses a couple of players
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 15, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 15, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
I'm heartened by Brian McIver's viewpoint on it, fair play to him.
He probably only loses a couple of players
Actually 5 this year and 8 last year!
Tyrone are losing double that.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 15, 2014, 10:14:07 AM
Tyrone are losing double that.
This year they are. Next year it might be 3-4. Derry lost 8 last year and Brian stuck to his principles.
Add to that the Ballinderry contingent and we're down a fair few.
Maybe Saint Mickey is under pressure from the mob after years of neglecting talented U21s!!
Most years they have the biggest selection with the universities. That plus they have s shed load of injuries to players this year aswell.
But that's an aside to the basic principle that the Mckenna cup is a competition to allow managers to prepare for the League. And if Tyrone were losing 10 out of their panel then it makes a nonsense of it and reduces it to a farce. Let the players decide who they want to play for (And I would hope any of them with any real motivation to play county football would declare for the County).
I think a lot of Tyronies think this is an anti-Tyrone thing, there's probably an element of that, but I don't care which inter-county manager was leading this it's still wrong.
Are there any Tyrone posters who think MH is being short-sighted on this?
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 15, 2014, 10:34:16 AM
Most years they have the biggest selection with the universities. That plus they have s shed load of injuries to players this year aswell.
But that's an aside to the basic principle that the Mckenna cup is a competition to allow managers to prepare for the League. And if Tyrone were losing 10 out of their panel then it makes a nonsense of it and reduces it to a farce. Let the players decide who they want to play for (And I would hope any of them with any real motivation to play county football would declare for the County).
The other side of it is, that unlike say cavan or antrim or whoever, MH harte is looking longer term towards still being involved in august & september, so alot of the more senior players are given the mckenna cup off (gormley, cavanagh, joe etc) leaving harte bringing in more new faces (and alot more students) than alot of counties for the mckenna cup.
To be honest , i would prefer stuck by the rules and released the players to the universities, but that doesnt look like something that is going to happen
Mackers at first I thought yeah Mickey was just being stubborn but when you think of it from the players point of view. Most of them want to make the county squad or starting team and they know its highly competitive. They are the ones busting their ass week in week out training like professional players these days so do you not think it should be there choice.
A young player like McAliskey got his chance last year in the McKenna cup and that ended up in getting more chances later in the summer. With the league so important now to stay in the top division young players know that if they get into Mickey's plans early in the year then they've some chance of proving to him they're worthy of playing in the league & hopefully championship.
Mickey is hard man to change his mind and so making a good first impression is important for most of these players. I would imagine if you asked players like McAliskey and McKenna to line out for their colleges they'd be none too happy as they'd be thinking they won't be getting on in league matches then later.
Fuzz, do you not think that exact same predicament is reflected in the other 31 counties in Ireland? Why should Tyrone's situation be any different to any of the other counties in Ireland?
I think that MH's theory is, and he has gone on record as saying that, he's only in the McKenna Cup to win it. The other managers only use the McKenna Cup to try out players and they use it as a set of challenge matches. MH is quoted in today's Irish News complaining that different games in the same group have different throw in times. Does he really think that someone from Donegal will be sitting in Omagh radioing Jim McGuinness to let him know how many more points they need to score to qualify out of the group?
Tyrone posters will say that this sort of attitude has led him to a lot of success, fair enough, but his perspective on the McKenna Cup could actually end up ruining it.
My view is that the other 8 inter county managers and the university managers have bought into a different spirit within the McKenna Cup.
For every player that would rather play for their county there is one that would rather play for their university. I was talking to one guy who is on a county panel (not an established member by any means) and he was glad of the opportunity to play for his college as this was his last year there. There have been numerous players quoted in the papers with the same attitude. Leaving it up to the players would be very unfair to them.
Armagh are 3/1 with the bookies tonight. If Kieran Toner is fit it would give armagh a big lift. I would be happy enough if Jamie Clarke spent the evening wrapped up somewhere warm (Sallys?) as it's hard to see the benefit in playing him?
Kieran Toner is reported not to be fit. Jamie Clarke may need a game before the league, he hasn't played much football since last July.
Armagh team tonight:
Philip McEvoy
Andy Mallon
Charlie Vernon
Paul Hughes
Mark Shields
Tony Kernan
Ciaran Rafferty
Ethan Rafferty
James Lavery
Eugene McVerry
Kyle Carragher
Stefan Forker
Robbie Tasker
Jamie Clarke
Niall McConville
Are armagh TV showing the match?
Nah, it's in Omagh.
Ty 2-05 Ar 0-02. Some things never change ;-)
2-09 to 0-04 ht
Bad night for Armagh, better to happen now than the league.
Ah shite give us some sympathy and blow the whistle :/
4-12 to 0-05
Quote from: JP on January 15, 2014, 08:36:29 PM
Ah shite give us some sympathy and blow the whistle :/
Kick them when they are down, Armagh if same position you'd be saying the same, some hammering though. Not missing too many
Least the game offers definitive proof that playing 7 fowards with 2 attacking half backs does not work.
Just in case anybody doubted it.
I just checked Paddy Power live betting and Armagh were +24 on the handicap!
FT Ty 5-16 Ar 0-07. Tyrone very wasteful in front of goal, something to work on before semi.
Fcuk sake! I'm emigrating.
Could never tire at hammering the apple munchers. ;D
Tyrone for the all Ireland.
It's all Philip Jordan's fault.
Who did all the scoring for Tyrone?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 15, 2014, 09:40:38 PM
Could never tire at hammering the apple munchers. ;D
They must be used to it now, they're our bitch
Interesting result tonite it has been a while since Tyrone have been running up tallys like that. I wonder will Mickey be prepared to let the younger lads loose for the league or will he revert to the tried and trusted. I hope i am wrong but i would be surprised if we see anymore than 2-3 of these lads in the summer. PJ Lavery is making a fair bid for the summer.
Tyrone rout Armagh as Donegal exit despite victory over Queen's
Tyrone set up a Dr McKenna Cup semi-final against Derry at Omagh on Sunday as they hammered Armagh 5-16 to 0-7 in the Section A clash at Healy Park.
Goals from Ciaran McGinley and Matthew Donnelly helped the Red Hands lead 2-10 to 0-4 at half-time.
Two second-half goals by PJ Lavery came either side of a Peter Harte penalty.
Ryan Rafferty scored a hat-trick of goals for Queen's but Michael Murphy, Colm McFadden and Rory Kavanagh netted for Donegal as they won 3-16 to 3-5.
Despite Donegal's win, Monaghan's comprehensive success over Fermanagh means that the Farney County pipped Jim McGuinness's side for the best loser's qualification spot.
Power NI Dr McKenna Cup results
Section A
Tyrone 5-16 0-07 Armagh
Donegal 3-16 3-05 Queen's University
Section B
Fermanagh 0-11 2-20 Monaghan
Derry 1-17 0-14 St Mary's College
Section C
Down 0-10 1-12 Antrim
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 15, 2014, 10:10:15 PM
Interesting result tonite it has been a while since Tyrone have been running up tallys like that. I wonder will Mickey be prepared to let the younger lads loose for the league or will he revert to the tried and trusted. I hope i am wrong but i would be surprised if we see anymore than 2-3 of these lads in the summer. PJ Lavery is making a fair bid for the summer.
is it time for Mickey to cull some of the older players, the likes of Colm Cavanagh, Dermot Carlin, Justy McMahon (always injured) and a few others and bring in these new lads. Could also see the likes of Stephen O'Neill and Conor Gormley being last 15 min impact subs this year. These players in McKenna Cup have been excellent so far.
If nothing else there should be fierce competition for places, which is something we have not really had lately.
Even a look at who can play in Full Forward line shows this - Stephen O'Neill, Ronan O'Neill, Kyle Coney, Martin Penrose, Dan McNulty, Conor McAliskey, Darren McCurry - some good competition for places.
Congratulations to Paul Finlay on his 500th point for Monaghan tonight. May we see many more!
UUJ forfeit final McKenna Cup game against Cavan
UUJ have conceded Wednesday's final McKenna Cup game against Cavan due to the unavailability of players.
Exams, injuries and students representing their counties are the reasons given by Jordanstown for pulling out of the Breffni Park match.
UUJ lost their two opening two games, against Down and Antrim, in Section C of the competiton.
The forfeiture of the fixture will re-ignite the county v college Dr McKenna Cup controversy.
Queen's manager Anthony McGrath said earlier this month that universities are being robbed by counties of their star players.
Joe Kernan was appointed to mediate between counties and universities over the availability of players.
Derry boss Brian McIver said on Sunday that university teams are being treated "very poorly" in relation to player availability.
In contrast to Tyrone manager Mickey Harte, McIver added that he has "absolutely no problem with lads playing for the universities".
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We look forward to participating in the McKenna Cup fully again in 2015
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UUJ statement
McIver released squad member Chrissy McKaigue to play for UUJ in Sunday's game against Antrim.
"This decision has not been taken lightly and UUJ have explored all avenues to avoid having to take this course of action," said the university.
"We want to put on record that we do not wish to disrespect our opponents on Wednesday night or indeed the McKenna Cup competition itself.
"The McKenna Cup is a competition which UUJ look forward to each year and which we have derived enormous benefit from participating in.
"We look forward to participating in the McKenna Cup fully again in 2015."
Down play Antrim at Newry in the final Section C match of the competition on Wednesday night.
Meanwhile Donegal manager Jim McGuinness has named a strong side for their Section A game at home to Queen's.
Neil McGee and Neil Gallagher, who both came on in the victory against Armagh on Sunday, will make their first starts of the season.
Nine of the side that started the 2012 All-Ireland final have been named in the team.
Donegal need a win to have any hope of reaching the semi-finals at the weekend.
Fermanagh have been dealt a blow ahead of their clash with Monaghan at Brewster Park as a shoulder injury has ruled out experienced centre-back Barry Mulrone.
Conor McManus could make his first appearance of the season for Monaghan after being named on the bench for the Enniskillen game.
The Devenish clubman broke down 10 minutes into the second half as the Ernesiders lost to Derry at Owenbeg on Sunday.
Tyrone need to avoid defeat against Armagh at Healy Park to guarantee a semi-final spot.
Mickey Harte has made 10 changes from the win over Queen's with Ronan McNamee, Ciaran McGinley, Peter Harte, Conan Grugan and PJ Lavery the players to retain their places.
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/25726979
It's only the Dr McKenna Cup, but Jaysus.... Got to love a good Armagh hammering. 8)
TYRONE 5-16 ARMAGH 0-7
By Barry O'Donnell
CALCULATORS weren't required to determine final placings in Section A of the McKenna Cup after this mauling by Tyrone at Healy Park on Wednesday night of an out-of sorts Armagh side ensured the hosts passage into the last four. Micky Harte's charges maintained their 100 per cent winning start to the season in facile fashion as they set up a clash with Derry in the semi-finals this coming Sunday. In contrast, based on this sorry evidence, Orchard boss Paul Grimley has a huge amount to contemplate ahead of the National League. The hosts, looking mean, menacing and hungry, scored almost at will as they ran amok against their old Ulster adversaries and the frightening thing from Armagh's perspective is that Tyrone also missed a handful of other scoring opportunities. Despite a promising opening by the visitors, with points by Kyle Carragher and Ethan Rafferty sandwiching a Conan Grugan effort for Tyrone, the pattern for a one-sided first half was quickly set. The Orchard men were pegged back in defence, struggling to stymie the home side who played with real swagger and style on a mild January evening in front of over 2,000 spectators. With captain Mattie Donnelly a menacing presence around the edge of the opposition square, and the Red Hand young guns constructing some dynamic passages of attacking football, a leaden-footed and laboured Armagh unit were struggling to cope. Two brilliant goals slotted away by Ciaran McGinley and Donnelly copper-fastened a vibrant showing by the hosts, with the new midfield partnership of Danny McBride and Conan Grugan forging an encouraging tandem around the centre. Tyrone had eight different scorers during this potent spell, Patrick McNeice and Ronan O'Neill grabbing a brace of points apiece as they provided an effective and mobile foil for their deadly team skipper. At the other end Armagh's own attacking talisman Jamie Clarke endured a rather frustrating first half, starved of any real quality possession, though the tenacious Barry Tierney and Aidan McCrory were sticking diligently to their task in the Tyrone back line. Clarke was only able to show fleeting glimpses of class but with points being slotted over regularly by the rampant Red Hands, their chances of reaching the semi-finals went up in smoke long before the half-time whistle. Tyrone's early wastefulness helped keep the Orchard boys in the hunt but as soon as McGinley hammered a tremendous shot high past keeper Philip McEvoy in the 16th minute the writing was on the wall. And when Donnelly shirked the normally reliable Charlie Vernon out of his path to finish delightfully at the near post soon after, the hosts had leapt out in front 2-5 to 0-2. It remained target practice in the run-up to the interval with Tyrone easing away, the impressive Peter Harte and Shay McGuigan also on the mark. In spite of a fisted Carragher score and Tony Kernan long range free it looked very much a case of damage limitation for Armagh heading into the dressing rooms. (Half-time Tyrone 2-10 Armagh 0-4). There was no let up in the Orchard misery on the resumption as PJ Lavery stabbed home a goal from close range within a minute, and Peter Harte and Peter McKenna tagged on further points. Understandably the intensity and work-rate of Tyrone slackened off somewhat as the second half meandered along, the contest lacking in terms of competitiveness and passion. Peter Harte got in on the goalscoring spree as he swept home a 44th minute penalty after Mattie Donnelly was upended and right at the death Lavery put the seal on some eye-catching approach work with his second goal and Tyrone's fifth of a night that Armagh will want to forget in a hurry.
The Scorers Tyrone PJ Lavery (2-1), Peter Harte (1-2), Ciaran McGinley (1-0), Mattie Donnelly (1-0), Ronan O'Neill (0-4, 2 frees), Emmett McKenna (0-2), Shay McGuigan (0-2), Patrick McNeice (0-2), Niall Morgan (0-1, free), Conan Grugan, Danny McBride (0-1 each) Armagh Kyle Carragher (0-2), Stefan Campbell, Robbie Tasker (0-1 each), Tony Kernan, Ethan Rafferty, Brian Mallon (0-1 each, frees)
The Teams... Tyrone Niall Morgan, Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNamee, Barry Tierney, Ciaran Mckinley, Peter Harte, Ronan McNabb, Danny McBride, Conan Grugan, Emmett McKenna, Shay McGuigan, PJ Lavery, Patrick McNeice, Mattie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill. Subs used: Conor Clarke for B Tierney (40 mins), Patrick Quinn for M Donnelly (49), Hugh Gallagher for R McNabb (54), Kevin Campbell for R McNamee (56), Kevin Gallagher for C McGinley (60), Tiernan McCann for C Grugan (62)
Armagh Philip McEvoy, Andy Mallon, Charlie Vernon, Paul Hughes, Mark Shields, Stefan Campbell,, Ciaran Rafferty, Ethan Rafferty, James Lavery, Eugene McVerry, Kyle Carragher, Tony Kernan, Robbie Tasker, Jamie Clarke, Niall McConville. Subs used: Kevin O'Rourke for E McVerry (6 mins), Brian Mallon for M McConville (34), Johnny Hanratty for T Kernan (41), Ciaran MacIomhair for K Carragher (47), Ciaran McCooey for P Hughes (49)
http://ulsterherald.com/2014/01/15/tyrone-sweep-aside-armagh/
I wouldn't be getting too carried away but I do like the look of some of our new young players . Seems to be plenty of quality and more importantly the confidence and desire to get on the ball. Mcguigan impressed me with his ability to win ball tonight. Pj lavery is also a classy player, only doubt with him is his size. Midfield battled well and I'd definitely like another look at Mcbride there. He can really challenge to start this year some where on the team.
Talk of getting rid of the older players is nonsense. Ideally 2 or 3 players brought in last year will improve with the year behind them and another 2 or 3 new players can make the step up. That combined with our more experienced could provide a very competitive team.
Still not entirely sure about what he can do with the full back line though. Tierney struggled on Clarke tonight as you'd expect but I liked the fact that battled hard and can hopefully learn from it.
Mattie Donnelly gave Vernon the daddy of all roastings. Surprised it took Grimley a long time to move him off...and onto Ronan O'Neill.
McNabb if he stays fit is some asset to Tyrone.
Armagh were so woeful it is hard to say who played well for Tyrone.....they all did.
Shea McGuigan, despite his youthful greediness is an extremely creative player. McBride saw a lot of ball. Harte's after-burners were in good shape. McNeice, after a few early misses, proved a fine target man. McCrory had an iffy opening but solid thereafter. Tierney did a decent job on Clarke. Campbell had the whitest socks.
Armagh were dire, dire and dire.
Yeah Donnelly tortured Vernon in the 1st half. I think for the 1st game or 2 in the league a lot of the younger boys will end up getting a chance. Will be interesting to see how they do and if they're still in contention come the end of the league. McGuigan got some possession particularly in the 1st half.
A new era for Tyrone football beckons. If mic key let's the energy continue to flow through that team they will be a match for most. Tyrone under the new rules are unstoppable. What a great . Add Joe sean and maybe Connor g and others from the q last few weeks with stevie on the bench. It will be tough on the lads who miss out but the football is certainly back in Tyrone
It's Mc Kenna cup lads.
No league points won tonight.
Wot r the venues for the semi finals then?
Quote from: timmyot501 on January 16, 2014, 12:28:32 AM
Wot r the venues for the semi finals then?
Brewster and Healy.
Two things that struck me tonight, Tyrone have serious pace throughout the team and defenders are afraid to tackle when their opponent takes them on.
Based on this performance Tyrone have to be favourites for the all Ireland.
This is World Cup year so I'd be hopeful of a bigger prize than Sam.
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2014, 07:33:24 AM
This is World Cup year so I'd be hopeful of a bigger prize than Sam.
ty14sam...
Derry v Tyrone semi final then, might head to that. Derry still without Ballinderry contingent but i'd expect a close game.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 16, 2014, 09:06:23 AM
Derry v Tyrone semi final then, might head to that. Derry still without Ballinderry contingent but i'd expect a close game.
I think I am right in saying that Derry are allowed to play their students now? Can anyone confirm? From previous years I think that's the precedent.
Quote from: rrhf on January 15, 2014, 11:31:18 PM
A new era for Tyrone football beckons. If mic key let's the energy continue to flow through that team they will be a match for most. Tyrone under the new rules are unstoppable. What a great . Add Joe sean and maybe Connor g and others from the q last few weeks with stevie on the bench. It will be tough on the lads who miss out but the football is certainly back in Tyrone
"Tyrone... are unstoppable"?!!
Well we might as well hand over all the trophies now and move on to the 2015 season! ;D
Some of you boys tend to get a little carried away with McKenna Cup and league results. Happens every year on the board.
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2014, 07:33:24 AM
This is World Cup year so I'd be hopeful of a bigger prize than Sam.
You're a Brazilian, O'Neill? ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on January 16, 2014, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2014, 07:33:24 AM
This is World Cup year so I'd be hopeful of a bigger prize than Sam.
You're a Brazilian, O'Neill? ;D
We're Tyrone, not Brazil ;)
Quote from: God14 on January 16, 2014, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 16, 2014, 09:06:23 AM
Derry v Tyrone semi final then, might head to that. Derry still without Ballinderry contingent but i'd expect a close game.
I think I am right in saying that Derry are allowed to play their students now? Can anyone confirm? From previous years I think that's the precedent.
Under rule 2.54 b) para 4, counties beginning with 'D' cannot play university players from the start. This does not apply to other counties.
Under regulation 5) published on page 282 of the gaaboard McKenna Cup thread (i.e. this), players cannot play for two teams preventing university players from rejoining their counties UNLESS they have not obeyed regulation 1) from the start in which case it's fine.
I think.
I wish they'd move the championship to January / February time - Tyrone would be flying and it also leaves loads of time for club football.
Tyrone, when in January they bloom, dead by June.
Serious score racked up by Tyrone, even in the McKenna Cup. I find it strange that an Intercounty team can concede that level of scores, in a "competitive" game. No matter what you think of the competition surely pride would mean you put up a bit more of a fight?
Quote from: TabClear on January 16, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
Serious score racked up by Tyrone, even in the McKenna Cup. I find it strange that an Intercounty team can concede that level of scores, in a "competitive" game. No matter what you think of the competition surely pride would mean you put up a bit more of a fight?
All part of the plan I tell you.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/video-outstanding-goal-from-donegals-michael-murphy-proving-a-youtube-hit-29923158.html
Check out the goal murphy got last night. It better than his one against Tyrone in round 1
Quote from: donegal lad on January 16, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/video-outstanding-goal-from-donegals-michael-murphy-proving-a-youtube-hit-29923158.html
Check out the goal murphy got last night. It better than his one against Tyrone in round 1
Drive into the top corner from 25m, out of the hands. Not bad! :)
Best of luck to Derry on Sunday!
Quote from: donegal lad on January 16, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/video-outstanding-goal-from-donegals-michael-murphy-proving-a-youtube-hit-29923158.html
Check out the goal murphy got last night. It better than his one against Tyrone in round 1
Definitely better - he didn't take 100 steps with this one
Tyrone Team v Derry – McKenna Cup SF
Tyrone v Derry - Sunday 19th January @ 2pm in Healy Park, Omagh
1. Mickey O'Neill – Clonoe
2. Ryan McKenna – Eglish
3. Conor Clarke – Omagh
4. Ronan McNamee – Aghyaran
5. Tiernan McCann – Killyclogher
6. Peter Harte – Errigal Ciaran
7. Ronan McNabb – Dromore
8. Niall McKenna – Donaghmore
9. Danny McBride – Strabane
10. Kevin Gallagher – Newtownstewart
11. Peter Hughes – Eskra
12. Plunkett Kane – Coalisland
13. Darren McCurry – Edendork
14. Matthew Donnelly – Trillick
15. Connor McAliskey – Clonoe
16. Niall Morgan – Edendork
17. Kevin Campbell – Derrytresk
18. Hugh Gallagher – Omagh
19. Conan Grugan – Omagh
20. PJ Lavery – Clonoe
21. Ciaran McGinley – Errigal Ciaran
22. Shay McGuigan – Ardboe
23. Emmett McKenna – Eglish
24. Patrick McNeice – Coalisland
25. Ronan O'Neill – Omagh
26. Patrick Quinn – Dungannon
27. Barry Tierney – Omagh
Quote from: tyroneboi on January 17, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
Tyrone Team v Derry – McKenna Cup SF
Tyrone v Derry - Sunday 19th January @ 2pm in Healy Park, Omagh
1. Mickey O'Neill – Clonoe
2. Ryan McKenna – Eglish
3. Conor Clarke – Omagh
4. Ronan McNamee – Aghyaran
5. Tiernan McCann – Killyclogher
6. Peter Harte – Errigal Ciaran
7. Ronan McNabb – Dromore
8. Niall McKenna – Donaghmore
9. Danny McBride – Strabane
10. Kevin Gallagher – Newtownstewart
11. Peter Hughes – Eskra
12. Plunkett Kane – Coalisland
13. Darren McCurry – Edendork
14. Matthew Donnelly – Trillick
15. Connor McAliskey – Clonoe
16. Niall Morgan – Edendork
17. Kevin Campbell – Derrytresk
18. Hugh Gallagher – Omagh
19. Conan Grugan – Omagh
20. PJ Lavery – Clonoe
21. Ciaran McGinley – Errigal Ciaran
22. Shay McGuigan – Ardboe
23. Emmett McKenna – Eglish
24. Patrick McNeice – Coalisland
25. Ronan O'Neill – Omagh
26. Patrick Quinn – Dungannon
27. Barry Tierney – Omagh
Tyrone to win by at least 10. Very defensive selection by Derry.
Odds from Paddy Power to win it:
Tyrone 4/6
Derry 7/2
Cavan 4/1
Monaghan 13/2
I'm havin Cavan at 4/1.
Met Jim Mc Guinness while visiting Celtic training complex yesterday. He asked me what the hell happened Armagh on Wednesday night (seriously!).I was unable to explain it
Total of 14 clubs represented in tyrone's startin 15 is pretty impressive an is great to see. Hopefully wil see plenty of these lads on the team come championship
Lets hope the lad recovers for Sundays game
http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/01/16/healy-park-scoreboard-man-hospitalised-with-rsi-stable-now/
Quote from: redcard on January 19, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
Lets hope the lad recovers for Sundays game
http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/01/16/healy-park-scoreboard-man-hospitalised-with-rsi-stable-now/
Carleton Mc Cabe.
Brilliant.
Quote from: orangeman on January 19, 2014, 09:12:33 AM
Quote from: redcard on January 19, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
Lets hope the lad recovers for Sundays game
http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/01/16/healy-park-scoreboard-man-hospitalised-with-rsi-stable-now/
Carleton Mc Cabe.
Brilliant.
Only in Tyrone would you have an electronic scoreboard and their scoreboard man is too thick to make use of it.
Great for Cavan to be get a game against Monaghan today. I think so far although we have been doing well in all our games there is an element of us being fitter than a lot of the teams we've played. Monaghan seem to be going well so I expect a tough challenge and I think thats what the lads need before the league so they remember that the league wont be as easy as some of the games we've had so far. Still a win would be nice to keep the confidence up. A local derby should mean it will be played at a good tempo and should be hard hitting.
Predictions:
Tyrone 0-13 Derry 1-12
Cavan 4-17 Monaghan 0-9
Are there any links to view/listen to this Tyrone v Derry game?
Audio on teamtalkmag.com
Good man.
Half Times
Tyrone 1-6 Derry 0-5
Cavan 0-9 Monaghan 1-5
Suprised not more chat on here? Especially after Derry Tyrone match
By the sounds of it Derry taking a lot more positives from the game than Tyrone. Fair enough tho when u think they were 1-4 til no score after 14mins, so won the last 55mins by 3 points. In Omagh.
Fergal Doc some asset to Derry. Still plenty to offer at 32. It set up nicely for Feb 1st in Celtic Pk, Derry.
I fancy Tyrone to reinforce that advantage. Fingers crossed anyhow..
It's almost non contact now.
More like soccer every year. Maybe no bad thing some would say.
Tyrone and Cavan edge wins in Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals
Tyrone and Cavan will meet in next Saturday's Dr McKenna Cup final after overcoming strong challenges from Derry and Monaghan in Sunday's semi-finals.
Niall McKenna and Peter Harte goals helped Tyrone win 2-13 to 1-13 as Derry wasted several goal chances before Emmet McGuckin netted on 59 minutes.
Dermot Malone's early goal helped Monaghan lead by four at Enniskillen but Cavan regrouped to win 0-16 to 1-9.
Eugene Keating hit six Cavan points with sub James McEnroe also starring.
At Healy Park, Tyrone made a sensational start with McKenna's superb goal after just 15 seconds
The holders eased into a seven-point lead with scores from Darren McCurry, Connor McAliskey.
However, the Oak Leafers pulled back scores through Gerard O'Kane, Ciaran McGoldrick and Declan Mullan and they missed goal chances when McGoldrick and Aaron Kerrigan both shot wide.
Tyrone also had an opportunity for a second goal but Derry keeper Thomas Mallon saved superbly from Conan Grugan.
Tyrone led by 1-6 to 0-5 at the interval and restored their seven-point cushion when Harte netted a 42nd-minute penalty, awarded for a foul on Mattie Donnelly by goalkeeper Mallon.
James Kielt came off the bench to shoot three long-range points but Tyrone were able to respond, with McCurry and Grugan finding the range.
After a rash of missed goal chances, the Oak Leafers finally hit the net in the 64th minute when McGuckin flicked Benny Heron's delivery past Mickey O'Neill.
Derry were reduced to 14 men for the closing minutes after Patsy Bradley was black carded with all their substitutes having already been introduced.
After PJ Lavery and Mark Lynch added further points at either end, James Kielt did have a late goal chance which would have levelled the contest but he fired badly wide.
At Enniskillen, Cavan pulled clear in the closing stages with the Breffni squad's rest in midweek after UUJ pulled out of Wednesday's scheduled fixture possibly a factor as Monaghan faded.
Ulster champions Monaghan did make the brighter start with Malone blasting to the net on five minutes after fielding a long ball from Conor Boyle.
That added to keeper Rory Beggan's opening 50-metre free and another 45 by the Monaghan custodian kept them three ahead after Keating and David Givney had opened Cavan's account.
Points at either end from Turlough Mooney and Boyle kept Monaghan three ahead but Cavan then hit four unanswered scores with wing-back Philip Tinnelly kicking two of them.
Cavan were still a point clear at the break (0-9 to 1-5) and Keating's fourth point of day doubled their lead after the restart.
A Chris McGuinness point and a Dermot Malone score brilliantly set up by a Paul Finlay pass then got Monaghan on terms again but they never managed to get parity again during the remainder of the contest after Michael Lyng restored Cavan's lead.
Points from Jack McCarron and Shane Carey did cut Cavan's lead to the minimum on two occasions but Monaghan hit the last four points of the contest to run out deserved winners.
Rory Dunne and half-time substitute McEnroe both excelled in cutting out Monaghan's attempts to instigate attacks in the second period.
But Monaghan tired in the closing stages as Cavan's midweek off appeared to give Terry Hyland's side the edge.
The final will take place at Enniskillen on Saturday evening with a 19:30 GMT throw-in.
Power NI Dr McKenna Cup semi-finals results
Tyrone 2-13 1-13 Derry
Cavan 0-16 1-09 Monaghan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25801767
TYRONE 2-13 DERRY 1-13
HOLDERS Tyrone edged their way to a tough three point semi-final victory over Derry in Omagh on Sunday to set up a McKenna Cup Final clash with Cavan next Saturday night in Enniskillen.
Despite showing nine changes from the side which wiped the floor with Armagh in midweek, Tyrone displayed the same fiery intent from the off, hitting the back of the Derry net on just fifteen seconds.
Direct from the throw-in they mounted a swift attack which was capped when Conan Grugan sent midfielder Niall McKenna clear to rifle high past keeper Thomas Mallon. That spectacular start laid the platform for another purposeful and pacey opening by the hosts who marauded forward in dynamic fashion.
With Darren McCurry and Connor McAliskey proving a real handful in either corner, the Derry defence had to work overtime to quell the Red Hand attacking tide and by the quarter hour mark they had fallen seven points in arrears.
McCurry was twice on target (one free) while McAliskey and McKenna with a fisted effort also registered during this impressive scoring spree.
Early Oak Leaf scoring opportunities were few and far between though Emmett McGuckin fisted wide under pressure from Tyrone keeper Michael O'Neil as they tussled for Gerard O'Kane's dangerous delivery.
Gradually the visitors began to settle to their task, as the initial Red Hand rampage subsided and the likes of Peter Harte and Tiarnan McCann found themselves forced into more diligent defensive duties.
Ciaran McGoldrick floated over Derry's opening point in the 16th minute from a narrow angle, after accepting a fine pass from Sean Leo McGoldrick, but another quality finish by McCurry, after a deft lay off by captain Matthew Donnelly re-established the home team's seven point cushion.
Tyrone though were outscored four points to one as their play became increasingly ragged and laboured during the ten minutes leading up to the interval. Any thoughts that the pattern of the contest would replicate the one-sided procession of the previous Wednesday evening against Armagh were dashed as the Oak Leafers summoned up a gutsy fightback.
Gerard O'Kane was twice on the mark, while midfielder Fergal Doherty and sprightly full-forward Declan Mullan also split the posts, Mullan engaged in a terrific duel with Conor Clarke throughout the first period.
The half built to an exciting conclusion as Conan Grugan was superbly picked out by Emmett McKenna with a crossfield pass but the Omagh man's piledriver was tipped aside acrobatically by Mallon in the Derry goal.
McAlliskey also cut in towards the danger area and blasted over from close range as the hosts regained some momentum going in at the break with a 1-6 to 0-5 cushion.
Scores came thick and fast during the early stages of the second period, the crowd of just under five thousand getting no shortage of entertainment to warm them up on a brisk winter afternoon. McCurry and Derry sub Benny Heron traded early frees, before the hard-working Doherty rampaged up the centre and fired over. Ciaran McGoldrick then fisted a point for the visitors, seconds after O'Neill had pulled off an excellent save to deny half-back Kevin Johnston a goal.
Just when it seemed Derry were building up a head of steam they fell for another sucker punch as Tyrone were awarded a penalty in the 41st minute, Mattie Donnelly upended inside the large square by Dermot McBride as he looked set to pull the trigger. Peter Harte dispatched the resultant spot-kick with minimum fuss and coming on the back of an Emmett McKenna point it stretched the hosts seven in front one more, 2-9 to 0-8.
To their credit Derry refused to buckle and with some seasoned operators introduced off the bench they continued to eat into the deficit, replacement James Kielt swinging over a few quality scores on his left peg.
At the other end however they couldn't get to grips with the lively McCurry who brought his tally for the afternoon to a half dozen points, with two more eye-catching scores.
An awful miss by Emmett McGuckin who lofted an effort wide of goal after rounding keeper Michael O'Neill suggested it definitely wasn't going to be Derry's day and with ten minutes remaining a cool conversion from Conan Grugan left Tyrone very much in the box seat.
The fisted goal by McGuckin after good work along the endline by Heron ensured a more nerve wracking finale for the Tyrone supporters though a fine score from distance by sub PJ Lavery provided some more breathing room.
http://ulsterherald.com/2014/01/19/tyrone-progress-to-mckenna-cup-final/
Very frustrated with the refereeing in Omagh today.No physical contact allowed at all.Both teams on the receiving end of some awful decisions.
Yeah matt donnelly sent off for a shoulder among other poor decisions.. These rules in the
Wrong hands could makw gaelic football a. Poofs game.
Was like watching basketball.I was waiting for the ref to start awarding free throws instead of free kicks.
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 19, 2014, 07:42:39 PM
Was like watching basketball.I was waiting for the ref to start awarding free throws instead of free kicks.
Jesus don't let the FRC see that or they'll bring it in at congress.
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 19, 2014, 07:42:39 PM
Was like watching basketball.I was waiting for the ref to start awarding free throws instead of free kicks.
He'll go far.
Lads its not the new rules that are to blame its refs not enforcing them correctly.
The type of fouls in the new rules have nothing to do with manliness and there's still plenty of room for hitting hard and fair when the ball's there! Referees need to use the rules properky rather than blowing up all contact!
Went up to Brewster today to see the game. Apart from the first 10/15 minutes where we seemed a bit sluggish I think Cavan were the best team throughout. It was an enjoyable game and there was a good tempo and plenty of hard hits and dirty ball being fought for. Good atmosphere is the big crowd too.Our midfield was well on top of Monaghans although Monaghan negated this by going short from kicks as much as possible. Apart from the first quarter Cavans defence was immense with Rory Dunne and McEnroe outstanding. Givney and Mooney ruled the sky at midfield and Keating was doing huge damage inside. I felt that Lyng and Mackey (especially Mackey late on) were linking defense to attack very well. Cavan certainly looked to have the fitness on Monaghan too at the end of the 2nd half. Another positive was some of the scores. Mooney got two beauties as did new man tinnelly from wing back but for me an incredible catch from Givney and lay off to McDermott for a point was the score of the game.
So great to get another game before the league. I think Cavan won't fear Tyrone and will give them a good game.
Probaly freshness being a factor in the closing stages. Monaghan had a game Wednesday night, while the UUJ game was called off. Always nice to beat Monaghan and extra game should help going into the league. Cant afford any slip ups like last year in the League. Hastings Cup Semi is next Saturday too, so a busy day
No sign of the final on TG4's listings for next Saturday evening. What's the chances of this being added to the schedule? They covered the McKenna cup final the last few years.
Terrible referee today who did his best to ruin the game by blowing up any kind of contact. I don't know what the exact definition of the new advantage rule is but his was different to anyone else's so far and it was crap. To me if someone gets fouled in a tackle but breaks through it runs on and gets time to play a pass the advantage should be over.
Tyrone definitely weren't as impressive today, there seemed to be a we hit of complacency after the good start. Some nice play from the full forward line. We struggled to win enough ball in the middle though. I think one of the reasons Gallagher is there is to win dirty ball but he didn't do it today. McCann struggled badly before being taken of.
Highlights of Tyrone V Derry game
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25804268
Does this photo really show Peter Harte "stealing"a few feet for a penalty??
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeYEuYSIQAAKxJV.jpg)
How can you possibly get away with that?
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 19, 2014, 07:11:11 PM
Very frustrated with the refereeing in Omagh today.No physical contact allowed at all.Both teams on the receiving end of some awful decisions.
I agree, anyone who thinks taking the physicallity out of the game makes it better to watch is badly mistaken.
I dont think its specifically the new rules either (although they dont help) it has been going this way now for a number of years
Monaghan were deservedly beaten by a better Cavan team. In the end Monaghan looked tired in the second half which was no surprise given the midweek game against Fermanagh. Cavan's phsyicality in build also paid off. Monaghan's small forward line just couldn't make in roads.
Overall the McKenna cup showed up some promising players for Monaghan in the NFL campaign. Ryan Wylie looks set for a corner back slot after impressing in each of the games he played. Jack McCarron will make a few starts too. A pity that Paudie McKenna couldn't have been involved more due to Truagh preparing for the All Ireland intermediate club football semi final. He looked the part against Derry. Defensively Monaghan looks to have a good few new options in attack in defence.
Stength in depth at midfield is the biggest worry for Monaghan. Without Lennon or Darren Hughes, Monaghan look very vunerable. Dick is in his last season and can only be expected for the odd perfomance of the bench. Gavin Doogan just isn't up to the standard of this level as a midfielder. Neil McAdam who is a viable option at midfield is in Oz. It's not looking good.
I expect Cavan to beat Tyrone as I feel Cavan want will want it badly.
Just watched that little sketch on BBC of the highlights and yes it's amazing cornerback that the ref or none of the Derry players didn't make Harte move the ball back to the spot. It's nearly a yard ahead of it. At first I thought you were messing but you can see it on the video too.
Was glad to see Derry giving them a good game and brought both players and fans back to earth a bit I'd say. I'd say we'll see a different Derry performance in 2 weeks time in Celtic Park.
It's nice to see us putting up big scores though and ask Mattie said on teamtalk a few weeks ago there seems to me more of a focus on scoring goals this year which is no harm I think.
How did Grugan & Mckenna do at MF? Which is better? Will either force their way in to the team.
What about the young Emmet McKenna perform? Is he only 18 or 19?
I'd say Mickey will find it hard to cut the squad for the league with so many players doing well. Would it be daunting for some of the older guys looking on, wondering will they just walk straight back into the team.
Are we still not playing any sweepers or was there bodies dropping back?
Some other counties fans may still argue Harte is out of line not buying into the spirit of the McKenna cup but as a Tyrone fan it's hard not to agree that he's created great competition between these young players and there's excellent team spirit among those young lads now that they can come in and replace their older established players and still win games. Had these lads been playing for their colleges their wouldn't be that same team spirit amongst them nor would they be feeling so confident of getting their place for the league. Even players like McAliskey and McCurry who did well last year know they need to step up again as their place will be under threat for the league if they don't perform this early on.
Its set up nicely for the NFL game in a fortnights time. Derry will fancy their chances id imagine as they had the upper hand in the second half
Could any Derry wans advise me please, with the subs that Brian McIvor made, would the side that played the second half be pretty much the same side as we will face on Feb 1st?
Good to see another Tyrone win, especially as players who starred on Wednesday night were dropped for yesterdays game. Lots of players getting games. Very young squad been used in the competition this year and a lot of the players don't look out of place.
Quote from: God14 on January 20, 2014, 11:13:23 AM
Its set up nicely for the NFL game in a fortnights time. Derry will fancy their chances id imagine as they had the upper hand in the second half
Could any Derry wans advise me please, with the subs that Brian McIvor made, would the side that played the second half be pretty much the same side as we will face on Feb 1st?
College men to come back in.
Quote from: orangeman on January 20, 2014, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 20, 2014, 11:13:23 AM
Its set up nicely for the NFL game in a fortnights time. Derry will fancy their chances id imagine as they had the upper hand in the second half
Could any Derry wans advise me please, with the subs that Brian McIvor made, would the side that played the second half be pretty much the same side as we will face on Feb 1st?
College men to come back in.
God is correct. Derry men don't have many men in uni anymore; we are not as smart as we use to be
Yeah but looking at the team towards the end of yesterdays game, I couldnt see too many who would be missing? When Derry were chasing the game they rolled out some of the bigger names - James Kielt, Mark Lynch, Patsy Bradley et al
Chrissy McKaigue would be one player that would stand out & obviously they were missing the ballinderry contingent. But in terms of the game in a fortnights time would McKaigue be the only addition?
Thought Mc Kenna at MF was absent after the first three minutes, can't recall him on the ball at all.
Mc Kaigue, Boyle, Lynn are the three obvious players not involved yesterday
Emmet McKenna is about 25 or 26. He's older than his brother Ryan who played corner back.
Are Eglish's Conor, Ryan & Emmet McKenna any relation to the McKennas of Augher? (Dessie, Wille, Eugene etc)
Great to see the KcKennas taking the McKenna Cup seriously.
Quote from: God14 on January 20, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
Are Eglish's Conor, Ryan & Emmet McKenna any relation to the McKennas of Augher? (Dessie, Wille, Eugene etc)
nope, i don't think they are
mccurry seems to be going well so far this season. I hope him, donnelly, skeet, mcnulty can really provide an inside threat this year which has been lacking this past few seasons
Quote from: God14 on January 20, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
Are Eglish's Conor, Ryan & Emmet McKenna any relation to the McKennas of Augher? (Dessie, Wille, Eugene etc)
no, they aren't related
I felt we were fortunate enough to get the win yesterday.Granted we had a couple of goal chances ourselves but Derry had at least 5 opportunities before McGuckins goal.Tyrone struggled badly on Derrys kickouts.Mallon was hitting McGoldrick with the diagonal ball every time and McCann couldn't get tight to him at all.Wasn't surprised to see him hooked at the break.McKenna faded after a great start.Grugan was on the ball a fair bit and I can see him featuring plenty this year.The 2 corner men gave the Derry defence a torrid time though O'Kane tightened things up when he was dropped back in.Was impressed with Fergal Doherty,he seems to have got his feet straightened since I last saw him.
Set up nicely for the league game but I would be worried by how easily the Tyrone defence was opened up yesterday.
Could yesterday end Mickey flirting with attacking football and revert to the sweeper system as we seem to have no man markers in the county on this evidence.
Quote from: Man Marker on January 20, 2014, 02:27:31 PM
Could yesterday end Mickey flirting with attacking football and revert to the sweeper system as we seem to have no man markers in the county on this evidence.
The defence was pretty abject yesterday for large periods. All comfortable going forward but no one capable of actually marking.
Grugan and McKenna were average enough.
First match this year for McCurry and if he can learn when to pass he will be some player. Will be very hard to pick a forward line this year (think Mattie D will play further out the field though).
UUJ Take a Swipe at Tyrone
Jordanstown GAA has called for the Ulster Council not to invite counties into the Dr McKenna Cup that field university players in the future. Writing on their official Twitter account tonight the UUJ official said that the "solution is to invite only those counties into Mc Kenna cup who will not pick uni players."
The statement will be seen as a direct swipe at the current Tyrone management who picked eight players that would have been eligible to play for their university sides in this year's McKenna Cup. It's unlikely that the statement will ruffle many feathers in the Tyrone setup though as Mickey Harte prepares his side for a fourth McKenna Cup final appearance in a row.
You have to give them credit for being persistent. How much cash did the ulster council get at the weekend between Monaghan V Cavan and Tyrone V Derry. IMO at the Derry game there was about 5,000 approximately, at £9 per head, included in that total are some students, pensioners and u16s, still some lift for January. We can safely say Mickey and the Ulster council are the winners in this, and with the crowds that attended both games you can hardly argue it was the uni's participation that brought the crowds out. If it had of been two uni teams in the semi finals against each other there would have been about two men and their dogs at it.
There is also a flip side to that argument. When the universities leave next year it will probably be back to knockout meaning that there will be 8 games in total as opposed to the 21 there is now. If it goes to three groups of three there will be a total of 12 games which is also a sizable percentage drop from 21. I'd imagine there would be knock-on effects for income there too.
Id guess we will move towards two groups (one with 4 teams & the second group with 5 teams)
The two winners of each group to play in the final. You could have semi finals as well if you wanted but it would be overkill.
The UUJ message comes across as very shabby & not well thought out. It is in complete contrast to the tone of their previous statement when they couldn't fulfil their last league game due to exam commitments, injuries & player unavailability. It smacks of one impulsive tweet to a journalist by the individual who controls their official twitter account.
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
Quote from: the_daddy on January 21, 2014, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
I know very little about the workings of the University teams but could the issue not be solved by the colleges if they linked the receipt of player bursaries to McKenna Cup participation? I'd have thought the best college players would be be getting them?
Very few students in Ulster on scholarship/bursaries. None at St Mary,s , 3 or 4 post grads at UUJ, 2 or 3 from Queens and the Sean O Neill bursaries at Queens not sure of numbers but very little money involved
Quote from: stronghold on January 21, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 21, 2014, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
I know very little about the workings of the University teams but could the issue not be solved by the colleges if they linked the receipt of player bursaries to McKenna Cup participation? I'd have thought the best college players would be be getting them?
Very few students in Ulster on scholarship/bursaries. None at St Mary,s , 3 or 4 post grads at UUJ, 2 or 3 from Queens and the Sean O Neill bursaries at Queens not sure of numbers but very little money involved
And this explains why this situation had developed in Ulster, the vast majority of players at the universities in Munster, Connacht and Lenister have most of the county players tied in with these scholarships and can't play for their counties, feck all to do with choice. More proof that our Gaa brethren gets more perks that us Ulster folk, same as it has ever been.
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
Id guess we will move towards two groups (one with 4 teams & the second group with 5 teams)
The two winners of each group to play in the final. You could have semi finals as well if you wanted but it would be overkill.
The UUJ message comes across as very shabby & not well thought out. It is in complete contrast to the tone of their previous statement when they couldn't fulfil their last league game due to exam commitments, injuries & player unavailability. It smacks of one impulsive tweet to a journalist by the individual who controls their official twitter account.
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
How can you compare a one sentence tweet to a press release. The tweet was talking about next year and never mentioned Tyrone. It is the only solution either the universities exit the Mc Kenna Cup or all the counties comply with the rules and the spirit of the rules. Afterall the counties sign up each year to these rules. The current situation is unsustainable. A University cannot compete if they lose 12/13 players to the Counties.
This is the only solution
1. Exclude the Universities or
2. Include the Universities and invite those Counties would will abide by the rules and regulations
Quote from: the_daddy on January 21, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 21, 2014, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: stronghold on January 21, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 21, 2014, 11:42:15 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
I know very little about the workings of the University teams but could the issue not be solved by the colleges if they linked the receipt of player bursaries to McKenna Cup participation? I'd have thought the best college players would be be getting them?
Very few students in Ulster on scholarship/bursaries. None at St Mary,s , 3 or 4 post grads at UUJ, 2 or 3 from Queens and the Sean O Neill bursaries at Queens not sure of numbers but very little money involved
And this explains why this situation had developed in Ulster, the vast majority of players at the universities in Munster, Connacht and Lenister have most of the county players tied in with these scholarships and can't play for their counties, feck all to do with choice. More proof that our Gaa brethren gets more perks that us Ulster folk, same as it has ever been.
That's a bit strange right enough. Surely some of them get scholarships from the GPA or is just grants they deal with?
There are GPA grants but no commitment to play for the Uni attached
Quote from: stronghold on January 21, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
Id guess we will move towards two groups (one with 4 teams & the second group with 5 teams)
The two winners of each group to play in the final. You could have semi finals as well if you wanted but it would be overkill.
The UUJ message comes across as very shabby & not well thought out. It is in complete contrast to the tone of their previous statement when they couldn't fulfil their last league game due to exam commitments, injuries & player unavailability. It smacks of one impulsive tweet to a journalist by the individual who controls their official twitter account.
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
How can you compare a one sentence tweet to a press release. The tweet was talking about next year and never mentioned Tyrone. It is the only solution either the universities exit the Mc Kenna Cup or all the counties comply with the rules and the spirit of the rules. Afterall the counties sign up each year to these rules. The current situation is unsustainable. A University cannot compete if they lose 12/13 players to the Counties.
This is the only solution
1. Exclude the Universities or
2. Include the Universities and invite those Counties would will abide by the rules and regulations
I actually agree. Hopefully they'll do away with the Universities.
The GPA would appear to be as proactive and vocal on this issue as the Ulster council are. Where are you GPA on this? *Tumbleweed*
Jordastown are dead right to pull out this year. Personally I hate all this scholarship nonsense and it should not influence a GAA decision or rules. I've heard that players playing for colleges is a rule in the provinces except Ulster. maybe they should start here and make it a rule? Or else just pull out.
Mickey's main argument for taking the University players is that this is the only opportunity to prepare their team for the league. A few Ulster teams played in the O'Fiaich Cup this year and it seemed to be a success. In the future would the Ulster Council not consider a Pre-McKenna Cup tournament (like the O'Fiaich) which includes all the Ulster teams so Mickey would have necessary preparation and the Universities would be able to have all their players available to them in the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: tonysoprano on January 21, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
Mickey's main argument for taking the University players is that this is the only opportunity to prepare their team for the league. A few Ulster teams played in the O'Fiaich Cup this year and it seemed to be a success. In the future would the Ulster Council not consider a Pre-McKenna Cup tournament (like the O'Fiaich) which includes all the Ulster teams so Mickey would have necessary preparation and the Universities would be able to have all their players available to them in the McKenna Cup.
As far as I know Tony, Tyrone were not permitted to enter the O'Fiaich Cup due to their extended run in the championship last year.
Quote from: tonysoprano on January 21, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
Mickey's main argument for taking the University players is that this is the only opportunity to prepare their team for the league. A few Ulster teams played in the O'Fiaich Cup this year and it seemed to be a success. In the future would the Ulster Council not consider a Pre-McKenna Cup tournament (like the O'Fiaich) which includes all the Ulster teams so Mickey would have necessary preparation and the Universities would be able to have all their players available to them in the McKenna Cup.
Ah yeah, but sure all the other counties around the country have the same problem and get on with it without their students? Anyway i thought that for allot of Managers it's a chance to look at other players and look at your own on another team? Is this over preparation? Greediness? Overemphasis on small competitions?
Is/was there not a rule in place for the McKenna Cup already? My recollection on this is hazy so happy to be corrected, but I seem to recall that the Ulster Council took the McKenna Cup off Mickey-Tyrone (after they had won it) early on in the experiment for playing University players illegally? However, Mickey-Tyrone appealed it as far as DRA and won. Don't know if there is any truth in the rumour that Human Rights were cited, but since then all Mickey-Tyrone players sign a letter (completely voluntarily of course) stating that they want to play for Mickey-Tyrone rather than their University. The Ulster Council have cowed ever since.
I would think the O'Fiaich Cup organizers would happy enough to escape Mickey's attention for as long as they can - demanding synchronised starting times (all on the Cross pitch) would be the least of their worries ;D ::)
If the Ulster council are incapable of resolving then should the GAA not step in? Mickey Harte has lost the run of himself long since but there's many who'd support his stance so rules are needed, anything less and the northern colleges should just pull out.
Quote from: tonysoprano on January 21, 2014, 02:18:19 PM
Mickey's main argument for taking the University players is that this is the only opportunity to prepare their team for the league. A few Ulster teams played in the O'Fiaich Cup this year and it seemed to be a success. In the future would the Ulster Council not consider a Pre-McKenna Cup tournament (like the O'Fiaich) which includes all the Ulster teams so Mickey would have necessary preparation and the Universities would be able to have all their players available to them in the McKenna Cup.
Let the Universities play in the O'Fiaich Cup and leave the McKenna Cup for counties that want to prepare properly.
Quote from: ck on January 21, 2014, 06:24:02 PM
If the Ulster council are incapable of resolving then should the GAA not step in? Mickey Harte has lost the run of himself long since but there's many who'd support his stance so rules are needed, anything less and the northern colleges should just pull out.
Sense at last.
Quote from: stronghold on January 21, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
Id guess we will move towards two groups (one with 4 teams & the second group with 5 teams)
The two winners of each group to play in the final. You could have semi finals as well if you wanted but it would be overkill.
The UUJ message comes across as very shabby & not well thought out. It is in complete contrast to the tone of their previous statement when they couldn't fulfil their last league game due to exam commitments, injuries & player unavailability. It smacks of one impulsive tweet to a journalist by the individual who controls their official twitter account.
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
How can you compare a one sentence tweet to a press release. The tweet was talking about next year and never mentioned Tyrone. It is the only solution either the universities exit the Mc Kenna Cup or all the counties comply with the rules and the spirit of the rules. Afterall the counties sign up each year to these rules. The current situation is unsustainable. A University cannot compete if they lose 12/13 players to the Counties.
This is the only solution
1. Exclude the Universities or
2. Include the Universities and invite those Counties would will abide by the rules and regulations
This. They offer very little to the competition except complaining and whinging.
Surely it is Micky Harte doing most of the whinging?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 22, 2014, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: stronghold on January 21, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
Id guess we will move towards two groups (one with 4 teams & the second group with 5 teams)
The two winners of each group to play in the final. You could have semi finals as well if you wanted but it would be overkill.
The UUJ message comes across as very shabby & not well thought out. It is in complete contrast to the tone of their previous statement when they couldn't fulfil their last league game due to exam commitments, injuries & player unavailability. It smacks of one impulsive tweet to a journalist by the individual who controls their official twitter account.
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
How can you compare a one sentence tweet to a press release. The tweet was talking about next year and never mentioned Tyrone. It is the only solution either the universities exit the Mc Kenna Cup or all the counties comply with the rules and the spirit of the rules. Afterall the counties sign up each year to these rules. The current situation is unsustainable. A University cannot compete if they lose 12/13 players to the Counties.
This is the only solution
1. Exclude the Universities or
2. Include the Universities and invite those Counties would will abide by the rules and regulations
This. They offer very little to the competition except complaining and whinging.
The addition of 3 more teams increases the number of games from 8 or 12 depending on format to the current 21. With the stated aim of the competition to develop and look at possible new players and to give them game time, I'd not be as quick to label that as offering nothing. Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If they went to two groups of 5 & 4 each team would get min of 3 games. Same as current set up. And no hassle.
i think everyone has lost the run of themselves- its the mc kenna cup - a few years ago the mc kennas didnt go to the mc kenna cup!
Quote from: sheamy on January 22, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 22, 2014, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: stronghold on January 21, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
Quote from: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
Id guess we will move towards two groups (one with 4 teams & the second group with 5 teams)
The two winners of each group to play in the final. You could have semi finals as well if you wanted but it would be overkill.
The UUJ message comes across as very shabby & not well thought out. It is in complete contrast to the tone of their previous statement when they couldn't fulfil their last league game due to exam commitments, injuries & player unavailability. It smacks of one impulsive tweet to a journalist by the individual who controls their official twitter account.
This mess should be sorted out by saying the dual players at colleges / county can choose which side they'd like to declare for.
How can you compare a one sentence tweet to a press release. The tweet was talking about next year and never mentioned Tyrone. It is the only solution either the universities exit the Mc Kenna Cup or all the counties comply with the rules and the spirit of the rules. Afterall the counties sign up each year to these rules. The current situation is unsustainable. A University cannot compete if they lose 12/13 players to the Counties.
This is the only solution
1. Exclude the Universities or
2. Include the Universities and invite those Counties would will abide by the rules and regulations
This. They offer very little to the competition except complaining and whinging.
The addition of 3 more teams increases the number of games from 8 or 12 depending on format to the current 21. With the stated aim of the competition to develop and look at possible new players and to give them game time, I'd not be as quick to label that as offering nothing. Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I see more value in less games with the whole panel than more games with a depleted panel.
I loved my time at university and I should have been kicked out for sure. No nostalgia though its time to kick the late risers out..
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2014, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Tyrone team v Queens – Sunday 12th January
Comórtas: Dr McKenna Cup
Cluiche: QUB v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: An Omaigh
Dáta: 12 Eanair 2014
Throw-in: 2pm
1 Michael O'Neill Cluain Eo
2 Hugh Gallagher An Omaigh
3 Kevin Campbell Doire Treasc
4 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
5 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
7 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair
8 Niall McKenna An Domhnach Mór
9 Conan Grugan An Omaigh
10 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
11 Peter Hughes Eiscreach
12 PJ Lavery Cluain Eo
13 Patrick Quinn Dún Geanainn
14 Daniel McNulty Cluain Eo
15 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
16 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
17 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
18 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
19 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
20 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
21 Shea McGuigan Ard Bó
22 Emmett McKenna Eaglais
23 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
24 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
25 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
Yeah the college lads were badly needed, Mattie Donnely, Ronan O Neill, Danny McBride, sitting on the bench
All 3 college boys named above are starting again on Saturday. I'd say the college boys have got more out of the McKenna cup with tyrone than they would have with their uni's.
Would be great to see such an inexperienced tyrone team go on and win this and very encouraging for the year ahead. When I saw the panel I thought we'd struggle to get out of the group.
f**k Mickey Harte why should he be dictating the terms of the competition. If the Ulster Council told him tough shit then he would have to lick his wounds and play the McKenna Cup without the Uni lads anyway because Tyrone "don't do challenge matches".
There should be an * beside any win they've had since 2007 (They won because they used all their college players!)
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2014, 10:37:27 PM
f**k Mickey Harte why should he be dictating the terms of the competition. If the Ulster Council told him tough shit then he would have to lick his wounds and play the McKenna Cup without the Uni lads anyway because Tyrone "don't do challenge matches".
There should be an * beside any win they've had since 2007 (They won because they used all their college players!)
I'm sure the vast majority of people don't give a crap about the uni's preparations for the sigerson cup and will have no interest in the competition. It's an easy way to give Harte amuse. As the most successful manager in ulster I will trust his judgement which he has been consistent on over the years.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 23, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2014, 10:37:27 PM
f**k Mickey Harte why should he be dictating the terms of the competition. If the Ulster Council told him tough shit then he would have to lick his wounds and play the McKenna Cup without the Uni lads anyway because Tyrone "don't do challenge matches".
There should be an * beside any win they've had since 2007 (They won because they used all their college players!)
I'm sure the vast majority of people don't give a crap about the uni's preparations for the sigerson cup and will have no interest in the competition. It's an easy way to give Harte amuse. As the most successful manager in ulster I will trust his judgement which he has been consistent on over the years.
Judgement has nothing to do with it. If the GAA set rules, and a manager blatantly encourages/forces his players to break those rules it's not in keeping with the ethos of GAA.
He's going against the very organisation he is a part of for his own petty gains.
He comes across as a man who very much likes being top of the heap and sticks 2 fingers up to anyone who dare tell him to follow someone elses rules.
Regardless of whether you agree with the Universities being involved in the McKenna cup or not, the Ulster Council need to grow a set and stand up to MH. Everyone else plays by the rules or the organisation....why shouldn't he. Why should he have a right to flaunt the rules when most others abide by them?
As much as I agree, it is probably a bit late to try enforcing the rules now when Mickey has got away with it for years. A change to the competition is probably needed.
Came on here to see were the teams named for Sat night and is it on TV or radio anywhere?
Instead ye're still giving out about Mickey Harte and his breaking of the rules whilst the Ulster council do nothing.
You can slag Mickey off all you like but you have to say he's got Tyrone back in reasonably good shape with good competition for places and confidence high. I know the league is a step up but I'm happier going into the start of the league with a lot of our forwards showing good form such as Lavery, Mattie, Ronan, Shea McGuigan, McCurry last week and McAliskey.
Do many of ye rate McNeice?
Surprised Niall McKenna made it into the Gaelic life team of the week this week
From the Tyrone GAA website
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh
4 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
5 – Ciaran McGinley – Aireagal Chiaráin
6 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
7 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
8 – Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
9 – Danny McBride – An Srath Ban
10 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
11 – Shea McGuigan – Ard Bó
12 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
13 – Patrick McNeice – Oileán a'Ghuail
14 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac
15 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Kevin Campbell – Doire Treasc
18 – Hugh Gallagher – An Omaigh
19 – Kevin Gallagher – An Baile Nua
20 – Conan Grugan – An Omaigh
21 – Peter Hughes – - Eiscreach
22 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
23 – Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
24 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
25 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
26 – Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Again, mcnulty doesn't seem to be on the squad. Does anyone know what the story is there? From what I have seen of him the past couple of seasons he has great potential at full forward for us.
If you look at Tyrone's fixtures for National League they will do weel to avoid relegation.......
Fuzzman the GL's team of the week should not ever be taken seriously. As you say Mc kenna in this weeks, was none existent after the first 5 minutes last week against Derry. James Kielt was on the weeks before for his performance against Fermanagh, and as I was at it, I can tell he was crap, kicked a few points at the end when given the ball but in truth didn't want to know, unlike last Sunday V Tyrone where he came on and was interested and it showed.
Why do you think that trap? Tyrone got to the final last year, and Derry and Westmeath have replaced Donegal and Down. Away to Kerry and Cork is tough but we won in Kildare last year and I fancy a win in Celtic Park next weekend.
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2014, 10:37:27 PM
f**k Mickey Harte why should he be dictating the terms of the competition. If the Ulster Council told him tough shit then he would have to lick his wounds and play the McKenna Cup without the Uni lads anyway because Tyrone "don't do challenge matches".
There should be an * beside any win they've had since 2007 (They won because they used all their college players!)
Oh no, an * beside the McKenna cup victories!! If that doesn't make Mickey toe the line, I don't know what will. Screenexile for Ulster Council Chairman - this is the sort of leadership we need!
Quote from: smort on January 24, 2014, 12:28:25 PM
Again, mcnulty doesn't seem to be on the squad. Does anyone know what the story is there? From what I have seen of him the past couple of seasons he has great potential at full forward for us.
Is McCurry injured? Is Lafferty off the panel?
What are these rules Mickey Harte/Tyrone has broke?
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2014, 10:37:27 PM
f**k Mickey Harte why should he be dictating the terms of the competition. If the Ulster Council told him tough shit then he would have to lick his wounds and play the McKenna Cup without the Uni lads anyway because Tyrone "don't do challenge matches".
There should be an * beside any win they've had since 2007 (They won because they used all their college players!)
Derry might look back at McKenna cup victories but don't think anyone anyone in Tyrone would, so I don't think anyone would be worried by any *. It's a warm up competition to develop the squad. Nothing more.
We've got 3 wee stars at the back of our jersey Screen whereas ye only seem to have the wan.
There should be a star beside two of them as well as youse were beat in two of those years and had to get the rules changed :P
Technically, it's a draw ;D
(love the same old nonsense year after year. Hard to bate!)
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 24, 2014, 02:57:30 PM
We've got 3 wee stars at the back of our jersey Screen whereas ye only seem to have the wan.
We don't have any actually because it's primarily a soccer tradition!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_%28football_badge%29
A f**king star on the back of a jersey for your 3 All Ireland wins? Tis a good job Kerry or Dublin don't put stars on their jersey cos that's all that would be on them!!
Like yellow cards as well?
You seem to be very agitated with Tyrone of late Screen.
Did some new Tyrone folk cross the border into Draperstown or something.
Don't worry ye will bate us on Sat week again and you'll be in a better place.
Smort, to explain........
Tyrone's fixtures:
Derry away - going on last weeks game i would say Derry will fancy this
Mayo at home - if Tyrone dont win in Derry this will become a must win game and Tyrone will still be fielding a fairly inexperienced side - depends on how strong Mayo field
Kildare away - we can normally beat Kildare but is no gimme and they seem in good form under Jason Ryan
Kerry away - tough match as always
Westmeath at home - will win this one
Cork away - tough match - Cork can handle Tyrone
Dublin home - tough match and at the end of the league Dublin will be going strong and looking forward to the test.
When you look at the fixtures it shows how vital the first 2 games are. Two wins are crucial (especially in Derry) and i think Tyrone are going to find those games very difficult given that they are likely to be without the likes of Gormley, O'Neill, Penrose, The McMahons........and Mark Donnelly and the Cavanaghs will have played no football to date.
If these Cavan lads think they're going to turn up in Enniskillen tomorrow night and role over Tyrone like the U21 games then they're in for a shock!
Looking forward to seeing how McGuigan and Lavery go in the half forward line. Also McBride looked a good option in the middle versus Armagh so would be great if he could build on that. It would be a great boost for the squad to win this without having to pull back in the older guys.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
If these Cavan lads think they're going to turn up in Enniskillen tomorrow night and role over Tyrone like the U21 games then they're in for a shock!
Looking forward to seeing how McGuigan and Lavery go in the half forward line. Also McBride looked a good option in the middle versus Armagh so would be great if he could build on that. It would be a great boost for the squad to win this without having to pull back in the older guys.
There was only a kick of a ball in both in 2011 and 2012 u21 finals, hardly rolling over Tyrone. No Cavan players or fans think that anyway, but would be confident of putting it up to ye
I wasn't being too serious. I'm pretty sure it'll be a tough and close game tomorrow night. That will benefit both teams ahead of the league. I think Tyrone's greater scoring power around the pitch and impact subs such as McCurry and McAliskey could make the difference. Cavan haven't been conceding too much in the games.
mentioning Mark Donnelly as a player who will makes a difference lol ;D
we're fecked if that's the case
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on January 24, 2014, 01:43:14 PM
What are these rules Mickey Harte/Tyrone has broke?
I asked that a few pages ago.... Still waiting for an answer.
Mickey has Tyrone going well. After that I just don't care.
Quote from: The Trap on January 24, 2014, 04:17:05 PM
Smort, to explain........
Tyrone's fixtures:
Derry away - going on last weeks game i would say Derry will fancy this
Mayo at home - if Tyrone dont win in Derry this will become a must win game and Tyrone will still be fielding a fairly inexperienced side - depends on how strong Mayo field
Kildare away - we can normally beat Kildare but is no gimme and they seem in good form under Jason Ryan
Kerry away - tough match as always
Westmeath at home - will win this one
Cork away - tough match - Cork can handle Tyrone
Dublin home - tough match and at the end of the league Dublin will be going strong and looking forward to the test.
When you look at the fixtures it shows how vital the first 2 games are. Two wins are crucial (especially in Derry) and i think Tyrone are going to find those games very difficult given that they are likely to be without the likes of Gormley, O'Neill, Penrose, The McMahons........and Mark Donnelly and the Cavanaghs will have played no football to date.
I would doubt that very much. Derry will know that it will be a very different Tyrone team they will be facing. Tyrone will win.
EC and Stall I think rule 1 was that the universities have first pick on the players
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._McKenna_Cup#Addition_of_Universities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._McKenna_Cup#Addition_of_Universities)
I see Jason Ryan saying that in Leinster that some of the games against the colleges weren't really games at all, the quality was that bad and it's not good preparation for the league
I'm surprised that Screenexile still supports Derry with them having a Tyrone man managing them and a Tyrone man sponsoring them.
Brewster park is unplayable.
Could they not find a playable venue elsewhere? or play it tomorrow, Wednesday 12th Feb to be played now.
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 25, 2014, 02:15:13 PM
I'm surprised that Screenexile still supports Derry with them having a Tyrone man managing them and a Tyrone man sponsoring them.
You Ardboe men are wile good to us :)
Aye we're good to our neighbours Walter lol
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
QuoteThats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
The best playing surface in Ulster if not all-Ireland is Casement.
Quote from: rrhf on January 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
And what the f**k would take a Cavan v Tyrone game to the Athletic grounds. I'd toss for home venue before I'd go there. The next obvious venue after Brewster would be Clones.
Quote from: rrhf on January 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
Cavan doesn't border Armagh like Tyrone, so why should it have been there?
QuoteCavan doesn't border Armagh like Tyrone, so why should it have been there?
Desperation presumably as Armagh haven't got a pot to pi$$ in?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2014, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
And what the f**k would take a Cavan v Tyrone game to the Athletic grounds. I'd toss for home venue before I'd go there. The next obvious venue after Brewster would be Clones.
Fair enough. One hell of a drive and overnight stay and all.
Quote from: hardstation on January 25, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Alright lads, put the geometry sets away.
It's not as if it would take Cavan 3 days to get to Armagh ffs.
Donkeys. Them fcukers are still on asses.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 25, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Alright lads, put the geometry sets away.
It's not as if it would take Cavan 3 days to get to Armagh ffs.
Donkeys. Them fcukers are still on asses.
We've been away from senior Ulster finals (inc McKenna cup) for a long time O Neill, tell me do Tyrone fans still get locked and piss and puke all over the street before the games or do have they evolved a little since then? Just wondering should I bring my wellies on Wednesday. Any information appreciated.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2014, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
And what the f**k would take a Cavan v Tyrone game to the Athletic grounds. I'd toss for home venue before I'd go there. The next obvious venue after Brewster would be Clones.
Does Clones have floodlights?
In any case if I were Cavan I'd welcome a game at the Athletic Grounds, they have another game there later in the year.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
tell me do Tyrone fans still get locked and piss and puke all over the street before the games or do have they evolved a little since then? .
I put that into babelfish and still no luck. Wednesday night will be awkward.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
tell me do Tyrone fans still get locked and piss and puke all over the street before the games or do have they evolved a little since then? .
I put that into babelfish and still no luck. Wednesday night will be awkward.
Unable to comprehend English, I guess the evolution has a little way to go. I'll bring my wellies. Please God, give O Neill his thumbs
Whatever about the venue would it not make more sense to play the game tomorrow. Doubt either team is keen on playin Wednesday with league starting on Sunday.
Not till Wednesday 12th feb
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 25, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
Cavan doesn't border Armagh like Tyrone, so why should it have been there?
Since when do they have to border? It must be a similar distance from Cavan to Armagh as it is from Strabane to Armagh. Some crying.
Yeah fair enough baloney , In this case it made sense to play the game in Enniskillen as fermanagh borders both counties. Obviously the rain as put a halt to that, now on 12th due a request from Tyrone
Mickey probably spinning the tournament for his benefit. The Ulster Council have to take a grip and stand up to Harte.
No harm that it was called off a bad result for either team wouldn't be great heading into league next week.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 26, 2014, 12:36:57 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 25, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 25, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Brewster park is unplayable.
Thats a joke. The best field in Ulster is the Athletic grounds. Should have been there in the first place.
Cavan doesn't border Armagh like Tyrone, so why should it have been there?
Since when do they have to border? It must be a similar distance from Cavan to Armagh as it is from Strabane to Armagh. Some crying.
The point is Tony that someone earlier declared that the game should have been set for Armagh
in the 1st place due to its amazing pitch surface. My reply was basically that Armagh was not equi-distant between both counties and that if Brewster wasn't available then Clones would have been the next most sensible venue. After that I'm sure they would have tossed for home advantage. Its not crying its just logic.
Given the time of year I think the athletic grounds would make more sense. It provides cover for the full crowd compared to ennisklillen where a lot of people would have to sit out in the rain. Wonder was it playable this weekend.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 26, 2014, 10:31:22 AM
Given the time of year I think the athletic grounds would make more sense. It provides cover for the full crowd compared to ennisklillen where a lot of people would have to sit out in the rain. Wonder was it playable this weekend.
It has a bigger covered stand than Clones?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 26, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 26, 2014, 10:31:22 AM
Given the time of year I think the athletic grounds would make more sense. It provides cover for the full crowd compared to ennisklillen where a lot of people would have to sit out in the rain. Wonder was it playable this weekend.
It has a bigger covered stand than Clones?
Athletic Grounds has over 5500 covered seats plus a partly covered terrace. The amount of rain there was in Armagh yesterday though I feel would have made it 50:50 if it would have been playable though.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 25, 2014, 09:08:50 PM
Alright lads, put the geometry sets away.
It's not as if it would take Cavan 3 days to get to Armagh ffs.
Donkeys. Them fcukers are still on asses.
We've been away from senior Ulster finals (inc McKenna cup) for a long time O Neill, tell me do Tyrone fans still get locked and piss and puke all over the street before the games or do have they evolved a little since then? Just wondering should I bring my wellies on Wednesday. Any information appreciated.
Why? Planning to wade through all the piss and vomit incase someone drops a cent/penny in it, is that it?! Bring gloves too then!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 26, 2014, 01:46:05 AM
Mickey probably spinning the tournament for his benefit. The Ulster Council have to take a grip and stand up to Harte.
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Is this game going ahead tonight?
Serious amount of rain down here in Dublin the last week
Nope, been rescheduled for Feb.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 29, 2014, 01:32:39 PM
Is this game going ahead tonight?
Serious amount of rain down here in Dublin the last week
If you spent less time ranting you'd know the game wasn't on till 19th and its not being played in Dublin. ;)
Tyrone GAA
Refixed McKenna Cup Final Tyrone v Cavan confirmed for next Wednesday, 19th February, at Brewster Park Enniskillen at 8pm
Given the weather it's as well the final was moved back a week. Can see Harte mixing it up a bit and giving boys a chance who might not get as much time in the league. Could see mcnamee, the Mckennas, pj lavery, mcneice, mcbride, Hughes and coney if still fit all starting.
Would be a good reward for the younger players early season work to get the first trophy of the year.
(http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mckenna_cup_final_01.jpg)
Moved to Armagh..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/26230258 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/26230258)
That's 2 beatings for Cavan at the Athletic Grounds this year.
will it be streamed on Armagh GAA TV ?
T Fearon usually the man in the know when it comes to Armagh TV
No it is an ulster council game so they wont allow it to be screened.
McMahon brothers ready to return
17 February 2014
The McMahon brothers, Justin and Joe, are set to give Tyrone a double boost by returning to action in the near future.
Full back Justin has recovered from a long-standing hamstring problem to put himself in contention for a starting place against Cavan in Wednesday night's rescheduled McKenna Cup final, while older sibling Joe is also on the comeback trail from a groin injury.
"Justy did his first full session last week, it was good to see him back on the pitch. He has been working away all along on his own," Tyrone trainer Fergal McCann explained to the Irish News.
"Joey has been doing the exact same. He's getting on really well in the rehab over the last couple of weeks, so that's positive news for us as well.
"We'll go session by session with Justy, and we're waiting on Joe to get back into collective training. But Justy is looking stronger with each session, and he should hopefully be very much part of the plans for the McKenna Cup final.
"Joe is still a couple of weeks away yet. We're not going to be rushing anybody in, when they're ready to go, they're going to be good to go."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=209877
Assume the team will be named tomorrow night. Can see it being experimental enough with boys we did well during the McKenna cup getting games. Will be interested to see what he does with the sigerson boys who I think play Friday. Could cause a row if he plays them. Mattie d was captain for most of it so would be nice for him to be captain in final but in my opinion should be rested. If they are rested I'd guess a team like this
Oneill
Mcrory
Clarke
Mcnamee
McKenna
Harte
McCann
Grugan
Mcbride
McKenna
McGuigan
Lavery
McNeice
Cavanagh
Mccurry
Yeah Id be shocked if Sigerson lads were involved. No chance of that really. Ronan O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly, & Conor McAliskey should all be omitted.
Id say he will reward a lot of the younger lads who earned the final appearance, with a starting slot. Redhands 15 ought to be close.
Would also be a good opportunity to introduce from the bench some of the returning players who are in need of game time - Kyle Coney, Dermot Carlin & Justin McMahon.
Tyrones squad is looking the best it has in a long time. Excited to see Coney and Justy back after years of injury disruption, hope they both get a bit of luck over the next few seasons.
Game live on Armagh TV!
Working on Wednesday in West Sligo so no chance to make Armagh by 8pm(Enniskillen would have been a stretch) so delighted to see the game will be streamed.
Ah pity you couldn't have made it. I'm sure Sean would have had a nice pot of tea and humble pie for you up at the big house after the game!
Hilarious Tony
I'd say Mickey will give a run out to few different players tonight.
With Ronan O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly etc out, could maybe see people like Kyle Coney get a game.
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 19, 2014, 08:52:54 AM
I'd say Mickey will give a run out to few different players tonight.
With Ronan O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly etc out, could maybe see people like Kyle Coney get a game.
Yeah according to Teamtalkmag Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McAliskey & Barry Tierney all unavailable. Im not sure if McCurry is injured? The others are involved with UUJ in Sigerson. Im sure Cavan must be missing a few with Sigerson involvements as well. I noticed Dan McNulty didn't feature for Clonoe U21s in the Ulster Championship game at the weekend so he is obviously injured
Any one else find it strange that counties publish teams etc before every match in this tournament except the final? Weird but we've all come to expect it. Big Opportunity tonight for Kyle Coney surely, he has slipped well down the pecking order whilst out injured & he wont climb back up it that easily with SON, Penrose to return. Mark Donnelly needs minutes too.
Would like to see Conan Grugan in the half forwards, I don't think he is cut out for inter county midfield at this stage of his career even though he has done well. Calling out for a run at 10 or 12.
Quote from: God14 on February 19, 2014, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 19, 2014, 08:52:54 AM
I'd say Mickey will give a run out to few different players tonight.
With Ronan O'Neill, Mattie Donnelly etc out, could maybe see people like Kyle Coney get a game.
Yeah according to Teamtalkmag Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Conor McAliskey & Barry Tierney all unavailable. Im not sure if McCurry is injured? The others are involved with UUJ in Sigerson. Im sure Cavan must be missing a few with Sigerson involvements as well. I noticed Dan McNulty didn't feature for Clonoe U21s in the Ulster Championship game at the weekend so he is obviously injured
Any one else find it strange that counties publish teams etc before every match in this tournament except the final? Weird but we've all come to expect it. Big Opportunity tonight for Kyle Coney surely, he has slipped well down the pecking order whilst out injured & he wont climb back up it that easily with SON, Penrose to return. Mark Donnelly needs minutes too.
Would like to see Conan Grugan in the half forwards, I don't think he is cut out for inter county midfield at this stage of his career even though he has done well. Calling out for a run at 10 or 12.
Flu..
Quote from: God14 on February 18, 2014, 07:44:58 PM
Game live on Armagh TV!
Is this free or do you need to be a member/subscriber?
copied & pasted from their website:
For the first time ever, the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup Final will be streamed LIVE around the World by Linwoods Armagh TV. The game was moved to the Armagh Athletic Grounds on Monday morning after concerns that the original ground in Brewster Park, Enniskillen wouldn't be deemed playable. Tyrone and Cavan will contest the final with a throw in time of 8pm. Extra time will be required if the teams are level after normal time.
This is great news for Gaels who are situated around the globe and not able to make the Final. They can simply tune in by visiting the following link and watch the game free of charge.
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv
ArmaghTV have been charging £1 per game, hardly a high fee, is this one free?
usually a £1 through paypal...bargain
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
ArmaghTV have been charging £1 per game, hardly a high fee, is this one free?
It's free according to God14's post above with the pasted info from the website
Quote from: God14 on February 19, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
copied & pasted from their website:
For the first time ever, the Power NI Dr McKenna Cup Final will be streamed LIVE around the World by Linwoods Armagh TV. The game was moved to the Armagh Athletic Grounds on Monday morning after concerns that the original ground in Brewster Park, Enniskillen wouldn't be deemed playable. Tyrone and Cavan will contest the final with a throw in time of 8pm. Extra time will be required if the teams are level after normal time.
This is great news for Gaels who are situated around the globe and not able to make the Final. They can simply tune in by visiting the following link and watch the game free of charge.
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv
... some chance of getting a pound of them Cavan wans ;)
£1 to hear Fearon?
away and f**k off Shane! Fearon is commentating?? :o
Although I've yet to hear him, he has been commentating all year. Numbers have fallen.
I know its early but was trying out this Armagh TV thing, I get a message it can not load M3U8: 404 not found.
Is that because there is nothing streaming at the moment or is there a problem on my side? Any help appreciated.
getting the same. is there any specific browser to use on windows?
Same Problem. Cannot load M3U8 - 404 Not Found !
Same
I'm getting the same, I downloaded the puffin app browser as suggested but doesn't seem to make a difference
I had it then at around 7-45 there was sound and some ads and then back to the same error. Id say its on their side.
going now
Have er now
Working grand now!
is that the bowl Tony?
That refs given a few strange decisions already
Coney Big Tone - not Cooney
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 08:11:17 PM
That refs given a few strange decisions already
He seems to be giving Cavan everything
By the way lads the error message is common until they start streaming then it normally comes on line. For iPad etc. puffin browser seems best. Not the normal half time chat. Think commentators are Tyrone supporters!
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
Quoteso whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
I'd say they're picking up a fair bit of craic around Renshaws...
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
They aren't playing because they have a semi final in a few days. Earlier in the year they didn't have a semi final in a few days
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
They aren't playing because they have a semi final in a few days. Earlier in the year they didn't have a semi final in a few days
eh? earlier, when pressured to play county football, was that not preparation time for the Sigerson as well? either college football is important enough or it isnt surely. you boys are some craic
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
They aren't playing because they have a semi final in a few days. Earlier in the year they didn't have a semi final in a few days
eh? earlier, when pressured to play county football, was that not preparation time for the Sigerson as well? either college football is important enough or it isnt surely. you boys are some craic
This game was postponed and was due to be played a few weeks ago. Those lads would have played then. It's now being played 2 days before the Sigerson Semi final, it hardly takes a massive brain to work out why the lads aren't playing tonight.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
They aren't playing because they have a semi final in a few days. Earlier in the year they didn't have a semi final in a few days
eh? earlier, when pressured to play county football, was that not preparation time for the Sigerson as well? either college football is important enough or it isnt surely. you boys are some craic
This game was postponed and was due to be played a few weeks ago. Those lads would have played then. It's now being played 2 days before the Sigerson Semi final, it hardly takes a massive brain to work out why the lads aren't playing tonight.
so its all about the county, until its not all about the county...loud 'n clear ;-)
up Cavan
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
They aren't playing because they have a semi final in a few days. Earlier in the year they didn't have a semi final in a few days
eh? earlier, when pressured to play county football, was that not preparation time for the Sigerson as well? either college football is important enough or it isnt surely. you boys are some craic
This game was postponed and was due to be played a few weeks ago. Those lads would have played then. It's now being played 2 days before the Sigerson Semi final, it hardly takes a massive brain to work out why the lads aren't playing tonight.
so its all about the county, until its not all about the county...loud 'n clear ;-)
up Cavan
Maybe it was just a tactical decision by Mickey to leave them out? :D
FFS! Even an orange microphone... ???
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 19, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 19, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
so whats the craic with the Tyrone students now not playing for their county in a final, but readying themselves for a college semi final?
They aren't playing because they have a semi final in a few days. Earlier in the year they didn't have a semi final in a few days
eh? earlier, when pressured to play county football, was that not preparation time for the Sigerson as well? either college football is important enough or it isnt surely. you boys are some craic
This game was postponed and was due to be played a few weeks ago. Those lads would have played then. It's now being played 2 days before the Sigerson Semi final, it hardly takes a massive brain to work out why the lads aren't playing tonight.
so its all about the county, until its not all about the county...loud 'n clear ;-)
up Cavan
Maybe it was just a tactical decision by Mickey to leave them out? :D
McCann and horse have them in some nick at this stage
Good run out for a few boys who haven't played much so far. Tyrone should have won by a lot more really, some amount of goal chances. Thought Mackey deserved his MOTM award with some tremendous direct running and fine scores.
Great to see Kyle Coney getting a few nice scores, I still have the hope that he will be a major player for us.
Good to see Coney back after injury battle.
Was top scorer in league for us two years ago.
Serious competition for places in full forward line
Ronan ONeill
Mattie Donnelly
McCurry
McAliskey
Stevie O'Neill
Coney
Penrose
McNeice
Strong wind? Cavan only scored three points in the second half.
Didn't seem like a strong wind from the stand but looked like it had a big baring own at pitch level. Game was scrappy enough and really was over as a contest when tyrone scored a goal just before half time. Really good performances from Mackey and Keaton. Lots of positive displays from tyrone squad players but i'd say there's one or two who have had ample opportunity but haven't impressed. Is Kyle Coney the easiest pkayer in the country to block??
JoG, I suppose you'll be calling now for the cup to be taken off Tyrone and given to Cavan because of the students.
I hope you enjoy your year supporting Derry again and like Brolly whinging about us red arses. Oh yeah we're not red arses any more.
Quote from: CD on February 19, 2014, 11:06:21 PM
Didn't seem like a strong wind from the stand but looked like it had a big baring own at pitch level. Game was scrappy enough and really was over as a contest when tyrone scored a goal just before half time. Really good performances from Mackey and Keaton. Lots of positive displays from tyrone squad players but i'd say there's one or two who have had ample opportunity but haven't impressed. Is Kyle Coney the easiest pkayer in the country to block??
He kicked 5 points so he can't be that easy to block
From what I saw (on the streaming which kept freezing) the referee was very bad, and seemed to have been particularly hard on Tyrone on a number of occasions, didnt give at least one certain (supported by the two armagh commentators) penalty, and one certain 14 yd free (at least) when the cavan lad jumped on the ball.
Ok, they won anyway, and when that happens theres a tendency to say 'No big deal, made no difference', but it does matter. The only way confidence can be built in reffing is through consistency, that means from the first challenge game of the year right through to the AI final. In Gaelic, refs have much too great an influence on games (letting say a losing team back into it), given just how subjective some of their decisions seem to be. I'd love to hear their explanations for some of their decisions.
Tyrone team v Cavan last night: N Morgan (0-03, 3f), PJ Quinn, D McBride, R McKenna, R McNabb, D Carlin, T McCann, N McKenna (0-01), S Cavanagh (0-01), PJ Lavery, C Cavanagh, P Kane (1-00), P McNeice (0-03), M Donnelly (0-01), K Coney (0-05, 2f).
Tyrone team v Mayo NFL 9th Feb: N Morgan (0-01,f), A McCrory, C Clarke, B Tierney, C McGinley (0-02), P Harte (00-01), T McCann, C Cavanagh, C Grugan, E McKenna, S McGuigan, P Hughes, D McCurry (2-04, 0-1f), M Donnelly (0-05), R O'Neill (0-01,f).
So only Niall Morgan, Tiernan McCann & Colm Cavanagh retained their places from the last game. To make 12 changes and still come out 7 point winners against an emerging Cavan team is very impressive.
Add in to that the likes of Aidan Cassidy, Joe McMahon, Conor Gormley, Stevie O'Neill & Justin McMahon to come back into contention - competition for places is serious.
I thought after 20 minutes it was going to be a real struggle. Cavan were up for a scrap, well organised defensively whilst Keating, Dunne & Mackey were looking lively and Keating in particular was winning his battle with McBride. The referee was biased too in favour of the underdogs, so to turn that around was very pleasing.
Plenty to work on - Niall Morgan missed a few kicks that were within his range. I thought PJ looked the best of the full back line. McBride seemed to stand off Keating too much. Maybe the black card he picked up against Derry was still on his mind.
Niall McKenna doesn't seem suited to Midfield, lacks physicality and im not sure where he would fit into our first 15. Paddy McNiece spurned a few goal chances that others (McCurry, McAliskey or RON) wouldn't & PJ Lavery hasn't really come to terms with intercounty yet - its early days for him. It looks like it might take a year.
Kyle Coney served a reminder of his talents, if only he could get a good run injury free. That was a very encouraging performance as he has only had a few weeks training. Sean Cavanagh took a few great catches in the middle of the park & you could see why Mickey likes him there as opposed to the FF line. Tiernan McCann played well I thought & seems to be pushing on now and improving with every game.
Unbelievable to see basically a completely different team turn out and beat Cavan well. Glad to see Coney do well, hopefully he gets back to his league for of two years ago when he was top scorer before injuries took over. What did Keating score of McBride? He is in a rich vein of form at the minute and I think he scored 6 or 7 points from play off the Leinster full back at the weekend so maybe wouldn't be too hard on McBride who has probably only played a game or two at full back for Tyrone before.
The ref was shocking, gave Tyrone nothing. There were two clear penalities (one a stonewaller)
Overall he was shocking.
Tyrone squad to be cut now. Won't be an easy job.
Will any of the lads that were brought in this year be kept?
Apart from fleeting appearances early on they havent really been seen since... How did Plunkett Kane play last night?...thought he may have kicked on this year but doesnt really seem to have
Yeah we all know it's early days but I feel really excited again about Tyrone and how they've progressed with the new lads. We've got that zip in the squad again with playing incisive attacking football with a few great prospects for the future.
Despite all the aggro, Mickey sure does his job well and knows what is best for Tyrone and is single minded enough to stay focused on the job in hand.
I think players like Coney, RoN and McCurry will really benefit from the new rules as they could have struggled playing against DOnegal's old defensive system all year
Hopefully Donegal and others don't resort back to that style of football but we all know Ulster football is highly competitive and I won't be surprised if teams like Monaghan & Cavan play that way.
Interesting to see ye giving out about the ref so much when ye won but from a Cavan point of view we thought he gave us practically nothing either and was very much biased towards Tyrone so I suppose all in all we'll just agree he's not a county standard referee! I thought the goal and point in injury time really deflated us, we should've been 3 or 4 up and half time. We really struggled in the second half against the wind and when Brady got sent off, there was no way back. Still it was a good test for us and shows where we are in development.
Quote from: God14 on February 20, 2014, 08:58:33 AM
Tyrone team v Cavan last night: N Morgan (0-03, 3f), PJ Quinn, D McBride, R McKenna, R McNabb, D Carlin, T McCann, N McKenna (0-01), S Cavanagh (0-01), PJ Lavery, C Cavanagh, P Kane (1-00), P McNeice (0-03), M Donnelly (0-01), K Coney (0-05, 2f).
Tyrone team v Mayo NFL 9th Feb: N Morgan (0-01,f), A McCrory, C Clarke, B Tierney, C McGinley (0-02), P Harte (00-01), T McCann, C Cavanagh, C Grugan, E McKenna, S McGuigan, P Hughes, D McCurry (2-04, 0-1f), M Donnelly (0-05), R O'Neill (0-01,f).
So only Niall Morgan, Tiernan McCann & Colm Cavanagh retained their places from the last game. To make 12 changes and still come out 7 point winners against an emerging Cavan team is very impressive.
Add in to that the likes of Aidan Cassidy, Joe McMahon, Conor Gormley, Stevie O'Neill & Justin McMahon to come back into contention - competition for places is serious.
I thought after 20 minutes it was going to be a real struggle. Cavan were up for a scrap, well organised defensively whilst Keating, Dunne & Mackey were looking lively and Keating in particular was winning his battle with McBride. The referee was biased too in favour of the underdogs, so to turn that around was very pleasing.
Plenty to work on - Niall Morgan missed a few kicks that were within his range. I thought PJ looked the best of the full back line. McBride seemed to stand off Keating too much. Maybe the black card he picked up against Derry was still on his mind.
Niall McKenna doesn't seem suited to Midfield, lacks physicality and im not sure where he would fit into our first 15. Paddy McNiece spurned a few goal chances that others (McCurry, McAliskey or RON) wouldn't & PJ Lavery hasn't really come to terms with intercounty yet - its early days for him. It looks like it might take a year.
Kyle Coney served a reminder of his talents, if only he could get a good run injury free. That was a very encouraging performance as he has only had a few weeks training. Sean Cavanagh took a few great catches in the middle of the park & you could see why Mickey likes him there as opposed to the FF line. Tiernan McCann played well I thought & seems to be pushing on now and improving with every game.
It might help if he was played in the position that brought him to Harte's attention in the first place at WHB.
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 20, 2014, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: God14 on February 20, 2014, 08:58:33 AM
Tyrone team v Cavan last night: N Morgan (0-03, 3f), PJ Quinn, D McBride, R McKenna, R McNabb, D Carlin, T McCann, N McKenna (0-01), S Cavanagh (0-01), PJ Lavery, C Cavanagh, P Kane (1-00), P McNeice (0-03), M Donnelly (0-01), K Coney (0-05, 2f).
Tyrone team v Mayo NFL 9th Feb: N Morgan (0-01,f), A McCrory, C Clarke, B Tierney, C McGinley (0-02), P Harte (00-01), T McCann, C Cavanagh, C Grugan, E McKenna, S McGuigan, P Hughes, D McCurry (2-04, 0-1f), M Donnelly (0-05), R O'Neill (0-01,f).
So only Niall Morgan, Tiernan McCann & Colm Cavanagh retained their places from the last game. To make 12 changes and still come out 7 point winners against an emerging Cavan team is very impressive.
Add in to that the likes of Aidan Cassidy, Joe McMahon, Conor Gormley, Stevie O'Neill & Justin McMahon to come back into contention - competition for places is serious.
I thought after 20 minutes it was going to be a real struggle. Cavan were up for a scrap, well organised defensively whilst Keating, Dunne & Mackey were looking lively and Keating in particular was winning his battle with McBride. The referee was biased too in favour of the underdogs, so to turn that around was very pleasing.
Plenty to work on - Niall Morgan missed a few kicks that were within his range. I thought PJ looked the best of the full back line. McBride seemed to stand off Keating too much. Maybe the black card he picked up against Derry was still on his mind.
Niall McKenna doesn't seem suited to Midfield, lacks physicality and im not sure where he would fit into our first 15. Paddy McNiece spurned a few goal chances that others (McCurry, McAliskey or RON) wouldn't & PJ Lavery hasn't really come to terms with intercounty yet - its early days for him. It looks like it might take a year.
Kyle Coney served a reminder of his talents, if only he could get a good run injury free. That was a very encouraging performance as he has only had a few weeks training. Sean Cavanagh took a few great catches in the middle of the park & you could see why Mickey likes him there as opposed to the FF line. Tiernan McCann played well I thought & seems to be pushing on now and improving with every game.
It might help if he was played in the position that brought him to Harte's attention in the first place at WHB.
Given his lack of size I suspect that Harte thinks he could be a liability defensively if played in the half back line at county level. He is a good player but currently may not be physically strong enough for county football. That may come over the next year or 2.
Strength is not an issue, he is as tall as Peter. Being played in the wrong position is the issue
As much as it must be uplifting for Tyrone to beat Cavan with 12 changes from their league match against Mayo. It must be a bit of a wake up call for Cavan! Surely they were taking this competition seriously and wanted to start the year with silverware? I thought Cavans championship year was over rated last year and there is a bit of unreal expectation in their squad (at the moment)!
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 20, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
As much as it must be uplifting for Tyrone to beat Cavan with 12 changes from their league match against Mayo. It must be a bit of a wake up call for Cavan! Surely they were taking this competition seriously and wanted to start the year with silverware? I thought Cavans championship year was over rated last year and there is a bit of unreal expectation in their squad (at the moment)!
What are you on about? See that Cavan lost by 7, and presume didnt take the competition seriously? 7 points wasnt a fair reflection of the game. Cavan played well, gave away a very slopy goal at the end of the first half which brought Tyrone level at haf time. Cavan lost the Killian Brady 5 minutes into the second half to a black card following a yellow,and were up against it being down to 14 men for most of the second half. Nether side was at full strenght.
I dont know what the Cavan Squad have been saying that you think they have "unreal expectation* None of them said they would win the All Ireland this year
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 20, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
Strength is not an issue, he is as tall as Peter. Being played in the wrong position is the issue
I'm not sure if he's as tall as Peter but he certainly wouldn't be as strong. Harte was excellent for Ulster last Sunday from half back and I don't think Lavery is near his level yet. Its very early days for him and hopefully he can push on but at this stage I'd be surprised to see him feature come championship.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2014, 11:08:27 PM
JoG, I suppose you'll be calling now for the cup to be taken off Tyrone and given to Cavan because of the students.
I hope you enjoy your year supporting Derry again and like Brolly whinging about us red arses. Oh yeah we're not red arses any more.
re the cup, absolutely not. First blood to the red arses !
Lord Joseph Brollsworth still isnt the flavour of the month 'round these parts.
We'll approach another year as the mighty Oaks with the gay abandon of a spring lamb only to be served in a platter after a few months :-)
Up Derry
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 20, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
As much as it must be uplifting for Tyrone to beat Cavan with 12 changes from their league match against Mayo. It must be a bit of a wake up call for Cavan! Surely they were taking this competition seriously and wanted to start the year with silverware? I thought Cavans championship year was over rated last year and there is a bit of unreal expectation in their squad (at the moment)!
Cavan were short 7/8 players yesterday too. Let in a sloppy goal and really would have been value for a 4/5 point lead at half time. Once Brady was sent off it was curtains. We know well where we are, its others that put unreal expectation on us. But know this, the young lads we are bringing through dont give a flying f**k about Tyrone and their reputation and many of them have beat Tyrone in a couple of finals. We are not there yet but we are moving in the right direction
Few photos of final
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157641273516653/
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 20, 2014, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 20, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
As much as it must be uplifting for Tyrone to beat Cavan with 12 changes from their league match against Mayo. It must be a bit of a wake up call for Cavan! Surely they were taking this competition seriously and wanted to start the year with silverware? I thought Cavans championship year was over rated last year and there is a bit of unreal expectation in their squad (at the moment)!
What are you on about? See that Cavan lost by 7, and presume didnt take the competition seriously? 7 points wasnt a fair reflection of the game. Cavan played well, gave away a very slopy goal at the end of the first half which brought Tyrone level at haf time. Cavan lost the Killian Brady 5 minutes into the second half to a black card following a yellow,and were up against it being down to 14 men for most of the second half. Nether side was at full strenght.
I dont know what the Cavan Squad have been saying that you think they have "unreal expectation* None of them said they would win the All Ireland this year
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 20, 2014, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 20, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
As much as it must be uplifting for Tyrone to beat Cavan with 12 changes from their league match against Mayo. It must be a bit of a wake up call for Cavan! Surely they were taking this competition seriously and wanted to start the year with silverware? I thought Cavans championship year was over rated last year and there is a bit of unreal expectation in their squad (at the moment)!
Cavan were short 7/8 players yesterday too. Let in a sloppy goal and really would have been value for a 4/5 point lead at half time. Once Brady was sent off it was curtains. We know well where we are, its others that put unreal expectation on us. But know this, the young lads we are bringing through dont give a flying f**k about Tyrone and their reputation and many of them have beat Tyrone in a couple of finals. We are not there yet but we are moving in the right direction
The unreal expectation is with the fans. No one is talking of AI's or ulsters (yet). Just a major scalp in the Championship (to begin with). There are as you say a crop of lads who have turned over Ulster at under 21 and they should carry that to senior and fear no one in the province. They are work in progress and this group need to be nurtured or they will be lost. Patience is the key!
There is bound to be expectation after winning 3 u21 championships. Wouldn't say its unreal expecation as Cavan are still playing Division 3 football, but proved last year against Monagahan, Derry, second half againstt Kerry that there is good potential there...
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 20, 2014, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 20, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
As much as it must be uplifting for Tyrone to beat Cavan with 12 changes from their league match against Mayo. It must be a bit of a wake up call for Cavan! Surely they were taking this competition seriously and wanted to start the year with silverware? I thought Cavans championship year was over rated last year and there is a bit of unreal expectation in their squad (at the moment)!
Cavan were short 7/8 players yesterday too. Let in a sloppy goal and really would have been value for a 4/5 point lead at half time. Once Brady was sent off it was curtains. We know well where we are, its others that put unreal expectation on us. But know this, the young lads we are bringing through dont give a flying f**k about Tyrone and their reputation and many of them have beat Tyrone in a couple of finals. We are not there yet but we are moving in the right direction
Most of them championship starters? after underachieving at under 21 level it seems the Tyrone minor All Ireland winners of 2008,2010 are finally going to make the break through at senior level this year.
Yes, Conor Gilsenan, Alan Clarke, Killian Clarke, Fergal Flanagan,David Givney, Geaorid McKiernan, Ronan Flanagan, and Jack Brady. Michael Lyng will probaly be starting come championship so another,
Givney and Mckiernan made appearaces off the bench.
Any highlights online? ?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 20, 2014, 06:13:19 PM
Cavan were short 7/8 players yesterday too. Let in a sloppy goal and really would have been value for a 4/5 point lead at half time. Once Brady was sent off it was curtains. We know well where we are, its others that put unreal expectation on us. But know this, the young lads we are bringing through dont give a flying f**k about Tyrone and their reputation and many of them have beat Tyrone in a couple of finals. We are not there yet but we are moving in the right direction
Not sure about this suggestion that Cavan should have been 4 or 5 up by half-time. I felt Cavan did play well in the first half but Tyrone had already missed two very good goal chances before Kane scored. In the second half there were more guilt edged goal chances and McNeice in particular missed two easy ones in the space of a couple of minutes. In reality I felt Cavan were a little fortunate not to suffer a heavier defeat last night.
Cavan still can't handle Tyrone at senior level and continue to bottle it at the sight of the red hands. Remains to be seen if this hoodoo can't be overcome. Some times the pressure gets to the guys.
Quote from: rrhf on February 20, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
Cavan still can't handle Tyrone at senior level and continue to bottle it at the sight of the red hands. Remains to be seen if this hoodoo can't be overcome. Some times the pressure gets to the guys.
'Still'??! ;D
Cavan were winning AIs before Tyrone knew they were on!
Quote from: haranguerer on February 21, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
Quote from: rrhf on February 20, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
Cavan still can't handle Tyrone at senior level and continue to bottle it at the sight of the red hands. Remains to be seen if this hoodoo can't be overcome. Some times the pressure gets to the guys.
'Still'??! ;D
Cavan were winning AIs before Tyrone knew they were on!
Don't think there's a case for saying Cavan bottled it in fairness. They were just not as good as their opponents, who lets face it, played in second gear with a second string team. Cavan knew they needed a cushion to defend against that wind and the goal knocked the stuffing out of them. There's a huge gulf between division 1 and 3 and it was clear fairly early on. From a Cavan perspective - Mackey and Keating were first class. Two really good players there.
Quote from: CD on February 21, 2014, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 21, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
Quote from: rrhf on February 20, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
Cavan still can't handle Tyrone at senior level and continue to bottle it at the sight of the red hands. Remains to be seen if this hoodoo can't be overcome. Some times the pressure gets to the guys.
'Still'??! ;D
Cavan were winning AIs before Tyrone knew they were on!
Don't think there's a case for saying Cavan bottled it in fairness. They were just not as good as their opponents, who lets face it, played in second gear with a second string team. Cavan knew they needed a cushion to defend against that wind and the goal knocked the stuffing out of them. There's a huge gulf between division 1 and 3 and it was clear fairly early on. From a Cavan perspective - Mackey and Keating were first class. Two really good players there.
I don't think it was that obvious early on. For the first half hour, the game had shades of Tyrone u21 v Cavan u21s of the previous few years. Where Cavan lead from the front, defended robustly & kept the scoreboard ticking. What particularly reminded me of the u21 encounters was the refereeing. Referee McNally doing a fine impersonation of Barry Cassidy.
The Tyrone goal really seemed to knock Cavan confidence - changed the script - and once they were reduced to 14 men the game ended as a contest.
Cavan are definitely on the up however & will continue to improve. Some good players still to come in. Hyland is doing a fine job there. Handled the Sean Johnson affair well. If they were to have everyone fit, their first 15 would be strong. Need to get out of Division 3 fast though, that must be hindering development.
Were any of ye at this match?
How did Sean & Colm play? Did Colm stay on the 40?
Colm started really well, picked up an injury & looked to be in considerable pain at HT. Havnt heard anything on the injury. We'll maybe learn more over the weekend as he is due to play for Ulster in the Railway cup
Quote from: rrhf on February 20, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
Cavan still can't handle Tyrone at senior level and continue to bottle it at the sight of the red hands. Remains to be seen if this hoodoo can't be overcome. Some times the pressure gets to the guys.
When did we last play you at senior level, along way back I'd say.
2005? went to a replay
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 21, 2014, 12:07:20 PM
2005? went to a replay
Where Tyrone won the replay by 21 points if memory serves me correctly.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 21, 2014, 12:09:39 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 21, 2014, 12:07:20 PM
2005? went to a replay
Where Tyrone won the replay by 21 points if memory serves me correctly.
beat cavan n mc keenna cup too.
So Cavan have a mental block over a team they last played competitively in 2005 (I dont include McKenna cup in competitive competition). I don't think so. It will not be too long before we beat Tyrone in my opinion.
I think rrhf got the reaction he was looking for.
And another trophy for Mickey Harte. The man is a legend.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 21, 2014, 12:35:30 PM
So Cavan have a mental block over a team they last played competitively in 2005 (I dont include McKenna cup in competitive competition). I don't think so. It will not be too long before we beat Tyrone in my opinion.
Cavan don't have a mental block over Tyrone. Tyrone just have a better panel of players at the minute and have consistently been playing the top teams in Div 1. Cavan are getting there but I firmly believe that for a progressing team it is vital to get into Div 1 in the league and become accustomed to playing at the pace that level brings. Winning U21 titles is ok but it doesn't help to then go and play in Div3 and get used to life at that level. Cavan have some superb players and the full forward line on Wednesday is as good as anyone's but they need to be playing at the highest level on a consistent basis to develop into a top class team. I hope they do as I've always had a bit of a soft spot for them.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 21, 2014, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 21, 2014, 12:35:30 PM
So Cavan have a mental block over a team they last played competitively in 2005 (I dont include McKenna cup in competitive competition). I don't think so. It will not be too long before we beat Tyrone in my opinion.
Cavan don't have a mental block over Tyrone. Tyrone just have a better panel of players at the minute and have consistently been playing the top teams in Div 1. Cavan are getting there but I firmly believe that for a progressing team it is vital to get into Div 1 in the league and become accustomed to playing at the pace that level brings. Winning U21 titles is ok but it doesn't help to then go and play in Div3 and get used to life at that level. Cavan have some superb players and the full forward line on Wednesday is as good as anyone's but they need to be playing at the highest level on a consistent basis to develop into a top class team. I hope they do as I've always had a bit of a soft spot for them.
All spot on Benny. Still a gulf between the two panels though and two out of the three full forwards on Wednesday are excellent players.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2014, 08:56:11 PM
By the way lads the error message is common until they start streaming then it normally comes on line. For iPad etc. puffin browser seems best. Not the normal half time chat. Think commentators are Tyrone supporters!
I've been accused of a lot of things in my time but a Tyrone supporter is a new one on me.
Utv highlights
http://www.u.tv/Sport/Tyrone-retain-McKenna-Cup/d6bc01d8-1cd4-4db7-9930-311d1550ec86
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/26275013
Very brief highlights here squeezed between the manager's post match interviews.
Taken from twitter:
@cormactrust1: It is ten years ago today since Cormac lifted the Dr McKenna Cup as Captain of the Tyrone team, as seen in the pic http://t.co/LwJkjDwPCJ
@cormactrust1: Tyrone vDonegal 10 yrs ago today was Cormac's first lifting of cup as captain,and last match for Tyrone http://t.co/7BzsYxcQd9
God rest him.
Anyone remember where that game was played?
What was the final score and what was the Tyrone team that day?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 21, 2014, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 19, 2014, 08:56:11 PM
By the way lads the error message is common until they start streaming then it normally comes on line. For iPad etc. puffin browser seems best. Not the normal half time chat. Think commentators are Tyrone supporters!
I've been accused of a lot of things in my time but a Tyrone supporter is a new one on me.
Thought you would like that reading Armagh forum!
Right let's get this competition up and running again. At the very least Kerry have absolutely no chance of winning it.
Draw was made the 12th November last year so we will have to wait a good few weeks before it livens up in here.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 29, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
Draw was made the 12th November last year so we will have to wait a good few weeks before it livens up in here.
Holders Tyrone to face Armagh in Dr McKenna Cup groupHolders Tyrone will face Armagh, Antrim and St Mary's College in their round robin section games in the Dr McKenna Cup in January.
The competition will start on Sunday 4 January with further group games scheduled for 11 and 14 January.
Last year's beaten finalists Cavan have been grouped with Down, Monaghan and UUJ in Section A.
Section B will see this year's beaten All-Ireland finalists Donegal taking on QUB, Fermanagh and Derry.
The competition has been dogged by county v college player wrangles in recent years.
Dr McKenna Cup drawSection A: UUJ, Down, Cavan, Monaghan
Section B: QUB, Fermanagh, Donegal, Derry
Section C: St Mary's College, Armagh, Antrim, Tyrone
Queen's pulled out of the entire 2013 competition in protest at several of their players being required to represent their counties.
The Ulster Council appointed former Armagh manager Joe Kernan to mediate in the issue last year but UUJ still opted to forfeit their final round robin game against Cavan because of the unavailability of players.
Exams, injuries and students representing their counties were the reasons given by Jordanstown for pulling out of the Breffni Park match.
At that stage, UUJ said that they "looked forward" to returning to the competition in 2015 and they were in Wednesday evening's draw.
The Tyrone v Armagh Section C tussle will be the first meeting between the teams since the Orchard County's surprise All-Ireland qualifier win over the Red Hands in July.
Tyrone defeated Cavan 1-15 to 0-11 in this year's final.
After the section games, the semi-finals are scheduled for 18 January with the final taking place six days later.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/29923097?print=true
If the GAA president does what he says he will do and sort out the mess that is GAA fixtures then this is bound to be the last of the pre season competitions incl McKenna cup which is more famous for the off pitch rows between colleges and county managers than it is for its football!
Any word on the confirmed fixtures?
Sunday 4 January
Round 1 (all games at 2pm)
Group A
Monaghan v UUJ at Clones
Down v Cavan at Pairc Esler
Group B
Fermanagh v QUB at Brewster Park
Derry v Donegal at Celtic Park
Group C
Armagh v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds
Antrim v St Mary's at Creggan
Sunday 11 January
Round 2 (all games at 2pm)
Group A
Cavan v UUJ at Kingspan Breffni Park
Monaghan v Down at Clones
Group B
Donegal v QUB at Pairc MacCumhaill
Fermanagh v Derry at Brewster Park
Group C
Antrim v Armagh at Creggan
Tyrone v St Mary's at Healy Park
Wednesday 14 January
Round 3 (all games at 7.30pm)
Group A
Down v v UUJ at Pairc Esler
Cavan v Monagan at Kingspan Breffni Park
Group B
Derry v QUB at Celtic Park
Donegal v Fermanagh at Pairc MacCumhaill
Group C
Tyrone v Antrim at Healy Park
Armagh v St Mary's at Athletic Grounds
Sunday 18 January
Semi Finals
(1) Group A Winner v Group B Winner
(2) Group C Winner v Best Runner Up
Saturday 24 January
Final
1 v 2
18 November 2014
Glenavon soccer player Eoin Bradley returns to Derry squad
Eoin Bradley is back in the Derry panel after missing the 2014 campaign because of soccer commitments.
The Glenullin forward will continue to play for Irish League side Glenavon and attempt to accommodate both sports.
"Eoin is in full training with Derry and will be available for selection from the start of the National League," said Oak Leaf boss Brian McIver.
It is a surprise return for Bradley, who starred for Glenullin in this year's Derry club championship.
Bradley scored for Glenavon in Saturday's derby against Portadown before playing in the fundraising 'Game for Anto' at Ravenhill just hours later.
McIlver, who said last year that Bradley could not combine GAA and soccer, will be particularly keen to have the 30-year-old available for next year's Ulster Championship.
The Oak Leaf side take on Down on 7 June, which rules out a clash with Irish League fixtures.
Bradley's last appearance in a Derry jersey came back in 2012 in an All-Ireland qualifier defeat by Cavan.
Meanwhile, McIver's son Brian has left the Derry backroom team to become manager of Down club Kilcoo, although he will remain in charge of the U21s for their championship campaign.
BBCNI
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 18, 2014, 06:56:59 PM
18 November 2014
Glenavon soccer player Eoin Bradley returns to Derry squad
Eoin Bradley is back in the Derry panel after missing the 2014 campaign because of soccer commitments.
The Glenullin forward will continue to play for Irish League side Glenavon and attempt to accommodate both sports.
"Eoin is in full training with Derry and will be available for selection from the start of the National League," said Oak Leaf boss Brian McIver.
It is a surprise return for Bradley, who starred for Glenullin in this year's Derry club championship.
Bradley scored for Glenavon in Saturday's derby against Portadown before playing in the fundraising 'Game for Anto' at Ravenhill just hours later.
McIlver, who said last year that Bradley could not combine GAA and soccer, will be particularly keen to have the 30-year-old available for next year's Ulster Championship.
The Oak Leaf side take on Down on 7 June, which rules out a clash with Irish League fixtures.
Bradley's last appearance in a Derry jersey came back in 2012 in an All-Ireland qualifier defeat by Cavan.
Meanwhile, McIver's son Brian has left the Derry backroom team to become manager of Down club Kilcoo, although he will remain in charge of the U21s for their championship campaign.
BBCNI
He is probably the best forward in Derry so good to see him back but he won't be playing in the McKenna cup.
Tyrone usually strong in this, so if we do finish as best runners up, we'll play them Tyrone hoors again.
Disgrace that Inniskeen did not get any of Monaghan's home games in the McKenna cup.Clones is the most awkward place to park .The grounds itself is dirty,no car park space,no proper sound system.Inniskeen has got everything and is clean and there is certainly no smells in the toilets .Would the county board not cop themselves on. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Better atmosphere in Clones for the McKenna Cup
I see the colleges are kicking up a fuss up north again as counties yet again take college players. How many years does this have to go on for before the Ulster council do something about it?
Personally I'd scrap the pre season cups in all four provinces, put Sigerson in December and start the NFL in Jan/Feb.
Quote from: ck on December 05, 2014, 10:50:19 AM
I see the colleges are kicking up a fuss up north again as counties yet again take college players. How many years does this have to go on for before the Ulster council do something about it?
Personally I'd scrap the per season cups in all four provinces, put Sigerson in December and start the NFL in Jan/Feb.
Paddy Tally is just right. The Universities should all pull out if they don't get first call on players!!!
The Ulster Council cowed to Mickey Harte a few years ago and caused this situation now it's a mess.
Quote from: screenexile on December 05, 2014, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: ck on December 05, 2014, 10:50:19 AM
I see the colleges are kicking up a fuss up north again as counties yet again take college players. How many years does this have to go on for before the Ulster council do something about it?
Personally I'd scrap the per season cups in all four provinces, put Sigerson in December and start the NFL in Jan/Feb.
Paddy Tally is just right. The Universities should all pull out if they don't get first call on players!!!
The Ulster Council cowed to Mickey Harte a few years ago and caused this situation now it's a mess.
It is a mess, and to be honest its hard to see the value in these competitions to either colleges or counties.
It would be far better to scrap them and start the NL earlier.
Give the sigerson its place on the calendar pre christmas if that can be worked out.
3 years later and the Ulster council still don't have the balls to sort this out.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
3 years later and the Ulster council still don't have the balls to sort this out.
+1
No balls, no desire and no leadership. Mickey Harte rules the roost. Ulster Council are bunch of puppets
Disgraceful Colleges don't get their students to play for them.
Quote from: ck on December 05, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
3 years later and the Ulster council still don't have the balls to sort this out.
+1
No balls, no desire and no leadership. Mickey Harte rules the roost. Ulster Council are bunch of puppets
Keep your nose out of our province ;)
Quote from: illdecide on December 05, 2014, 03:53:33 PM
Quote from: ck on December 05, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
3 years later and the Ulster council still don't have the balls to sort this out.
+1
No balls, no desire and no leadership. Mickey Harte rules the roost. Ulster Council are bunch of puppets
Keep your nose out of our province ;)
Even a non-Ulster man can see Harte is the problem here. Always was.
Do people think Mickey has the same sway he used to? I'd thought it'd be on the wane now.
Quote from: illdecide on December 05, 2014, 03:53:33 PM
Quote from: ck on December 05, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
3 years later and the Ulster council still don't have the balls to sort this out.
+1
No balls, no desire and no leadership. Mickey Harte rules the roost. Ulster Council are bunch of puppets
Keep your nose out of our province ;)
I've been involved in colleges football for a long time now and I just watch in amazement as to how the ulster colleges are treated by their own council and a few hitlar managers. What exactly is the point of a council that can't enforce its own rules? The tail is wagging the dog here. Incredible stuff year after year.
I rather my own county men play fro the unis, gives u a chance to see what else is out there. its getting game time, sure the encounter of tyrone and Armagh in January last year had let bearing come crunch time in the summer past. for the McKenna Cup to be a decent standard we need the uni at full strength
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 06, 2014, 09:16:12 PM
I rather my own county men play fro the unis, gives u a chance to see what else is out there. its getting game time, sure the encounter of tyrone and Armagh in January last year had let bearing come crunch time in the summer past. for the McKenna Cup to be a decent standard we need the uni at full strength
The competition has no baring on what happens in the summer regardless if the Unis are involved or not. The only purpose of the competition is for county managers to prepare for the season as it is an inter county competition after all. It isn't acceptable to them to prepare without half their squad. The only solution is to chuck out the Unis and move on.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2014, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 06, 2014, 09:16:12 PM
I rather my own county men play fro the unis, gives u a chance to see what else is out there. its getting game time, sure the encounter of tyrone and Armagh in January last year had let bearing come crunch time in the summer past. for the McKenna Cup to be a decent standard we need the uni at full strength
The competition has no baring on what happens in the summer regardless if the Unis are involved or not. The only purpose of the competition is for county managers to prepare for the season as it is an inter county competition after all. It isn't acceptable to them to prepare without half their squad. The only solution is to chuck out the Unis and move on.
I think this is fair comment. The colleges should have their players or else just put them out of their misery and put them out of the competition. It's a wonder this hasn't been proposed before now.
Quote from: ck on December 06, 2014, 11:48:58 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 06, 2014, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 06, 2014, 09:16:12 PM
I rather my own county men play fro the unis, gives u a chance to see what else is out there. its getting game time, sure the encounter of tyrone and Armagh in January last year had let bearing come crunch time in the summer past. for the McKenna Cup to be a decent standard we need the uni at full strength
The competition has no baring on what happens in the summer regardless if the Unis are involved or not. The only purpose of the competition is for county managers to prepare for the season as it is an inter county competition after all. It isn't acceptable to them to prepare without half their squad. The only solution is to chuck out the Unis and move on.
I think this is fair comment. The colleges should have their players or else just put them out of their misery and put them out of the competition. It's a wonder this hasn't been proposed before now.
I'm well aware this has been suggested many times before but I'm sick of this discussion every year and there isn't a compromise (or more accurately, there's no appetite for compromise from a few of the county managers) other than as you say, put the Unis out of their misery and move on. It was a fairly meaningless competition before the Unis got involved and they haven't added anything to the competition except this pointless roundabout of an argument every December. Let's return it to the meaningless competition it once was, but at least we will be without this even more pointess argument.
Firstly I feel the universities should have first choice on players as a general rule.
However. For me a university is firstly a place of learning. It is as important for the last to be given the same opportunity as the first. If they lose players to the counties I do not feel it is right to simply take their ball and go home. As much as the counties have a pool of players to choose from so do the universities. If Caolan Mooney is picked by Down for example does this not open up the opportunity for another student to take his place. Some will say that they will not be competitive. From the university point of view so what. The replacement has as much right to play as the first choice and will probably learn much more from the experience. By pulling out of the competition the university is telling its students that in times of adversity you run away. That winning is more important than trying. That one students rights are more important than another's. If I was a student on the bench or seconds for a university that pulled out under these circumstances I would feel cheated. For me it was wrong when Queen's pulled out and it is still wrong.
If we transfer it to the club scene. When Cross played Omagh this year they had Aaron and Stephen Kernan injured. McKenna, Cunningham and Franny Hanratty were not fit to start. Carragher went off after 5 minutes and they had 2 players sent off. But they still played on and lost narrowly. They will be stronger in future for it as young or unfancied players got a chance to learn. With Cross history has proved that.
Universities are places to learn. Winning is not always were you learn.
I mind when I coached Magee in Derry. We tried to enter the McKenna Cup, those were the days.
It should be remembered that not all county teams take this ridiculous approach that Mickey Harte does. In fact the vast majority across the country allow players the best opportunity to be successful with their colleges. I am happy to say Cavan are one of them. Its a great honour for a player to win a Sigerson and as far as I am concerned Mickey Harte and those like him are selfish and are not thinking about the players concerned and diminishing their chances of succeeding with the college.
is this not a throwback to the Harte v Tally "discussion' and mickey is just doing what he wants?
universities should get the pick, and the bottom line is that the ulster council are too busy running around with their head up their holes afraid to challenge harte
Proverbs 18:12 "Before his downfall a man's heart is proud, but humility comes before honour."
Did Tyrone not get dethroned as McKenna Cup winners a few years ago because of this issue?
Every year someone says the universities helped save the mckenna cup, personally I think that's a load of crap. Hartes attitude to the mckenna cup at a time when tyrone were successful was the main factor in drawing increased interest in it, combined with the changes in the timings of the gaa calander.
I dont think the competition would be much worse without the uni's. It would mean a game less but the games involving the universities are quite meaningless and attract minimal interest from the general gaa public.
At a time when burnout is thrown out so much I think a reduced emphasis on university football with less training and a shorter calander would help a little.
Quote from: Throw ball on December 07, 2014, 01:57:56 AM
Firstly I feel the universities should have first choice on players as a general rule.
However. For me a university is firstly a place of learning. It is as important for the last to be given the same opportunity as the first. If they lose players to the counties I do not feel it is right to simply take their ball and go home. As much as the counties have a pool of players to choose from so do the universities. If Caolan Mooney is picked by Down for example does this not open up the opportunity for another student to take his place. Some will say that they will not be competitive. From the university point of view so what. The replacement has as much right to play as the first choice and will probably learn much more from the experience. By pulling out of the competition the university is telling its students that in times of adversity you run away. That winning is more important than trying. That one students rights are more important than another's. If I was a student on the bench or seconds for a university that pulled out under these circumstances I would feel cheated. For me it was wrong when Queen's pulled out and it is still wrong.
If we transfer it to the club scene. When Cross played Omagh this year they had Aaron and Stephen Kernan injured. McKenna, Cunningham and Franny Hanratty were not fit to start. Carragher went off after 5 minutes and they had 2 players sent off. But they still played on and lost narrowly. They will be stronger in future for it as young or unfancied players got a chance to learn. With Cross history has proved that.
Universities are places to learn. Winning is not always were you learn.
You are not looking at the big picture Throw Ball. If the Unis lose there county senior players they then have to go to there 2nds/3rds players to fulfill fixtures. This does not help their cause in preparing for sigerson. Now QUB & UUJ may have a source of riches in players they can pick but St Marys have a panel of 30ish. Out of the 30ish, 10 could be county panelists. if they are withdrawn then St Mary's are basically playing county temas with club players. Therefore looking at 3 defeats which does nothing for their preperations or counties either. Listen we can belittle the McKenna Cup as it means nothing to who will be winning Ulster or All Ireland Titles but as a pre-season tournament lets give the Unis their full panels and let county managers use the tournament as a chance to look at new palyers as well as look at county panelists playing for their Uni.
And before anyone retaliates, yes I'm an ex Rancher!!!
Quote from: Throw ball on December 07, 2014, 01:57:56 AM
Firstly I feel the universities should have first choice on players as a general rule.
However. For me a university is firstly a place of learning. It is as important for the last to be given the same opportunity as the first. If they lose players to the counties I do not feel it is right to simply take their ball and go home. As much as the counties have a pool of players to choose from so do the universities. If Caolan Mooney is picked by Down for example does this not open up the opportunity for another student to take his place. Some will say that they will not be competitive. From the university point of view so what. The replacement has as much right to play as the first choice and will probably learn much more from the experience. By pulling out of the competition the university is telling its students that in times of adversity you run away. That winning is more important than trying. That one students rights are more important than another's. If I was a student on the bench or seconds for a university that pulled out under these circumstances I would feel cheated. For me it was wrong when Queen's pulled out and it is still wrong.
If we transfer it to the club scene. When Cross played Omagh this year they had Aaron and Stephen Kernan injured. McKenna, Cunningham and Franny Hanratty were not fit to start. Carragher went off after 5 minutes and they had 2 players sent off. But they still played on and lost narrowly. They will be stronger in future for it as young or unfancied players got a chance to learn. With Cross history has proved that.
Universities are places to learn. Winning is not always were you learn.
Your comments are naive and ideological. The lesson of running away as soon as adversity hits could easily be viewed as standing up for what you believe in ie: Fairplay, honesty and integrity. None of these terms have been in operation over the past few years with the Ulster councils treatment of the colleges in fairness.
IT Sligo play in the FBD and all I know is that if counties pulled our players then we'd have to ask what is the point given we are trying to prepare for the Sigerson. We play 3 FBD games in January and these are vitally important for our Sigerson preparation.
Unless the Ulster council can get off their useless arses and enforce the rules of the competition then they should chuck the colleges out ta hell.
Maybe just ride it out this year and hopefully the new Tyrone manager will see sense in 2016
Quote from: JoG2 on December 08, 2014, 10:57:51 AM
Maybe just ride it out this year and hopefully the new Tyrone manager will see sense in 2016
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Quote from: ck on December 08, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 07, 2014, 01:57:56 AM
Firstly I feel the universities should have first choice on players as a general rule.
However. For me a university is firstly a place of learning. It is as important for the last to be given the same opportunity as the first. If they lose players to the counties I do not feel it is right to simply take their ball and go home. As much as the counties have a pool of players to choose from so do the universities. If Caolan Mooney is picked by Down for example does this not open up the opportunity for another student to take his place. Some will say that they will not be competitive. From the university point of view so what. The replacement has as much right to play as the first choice and will probably learn much more from the experience. By pulling out of the competition the university is telling its students that in times of adversity you run away. That winning is more important than trying. That one students rights are more important than another's. If I was a student on the bench or seconds for a university that pulled out under these circumstances I would feel cheated. For me it was wrong when Queen's pulled out and it is still wrong.
If we transfer it to the club scene. When Cross played Omagh this year they had Aaron and Stephen Kernan injured. McKenna, Cunningham and Franny Hanratty were not fit to start. Carragher went off after 5 minutes and they had 2 players sent off. But they still played on and lost narrowly. They will be stronger in future for it as young or unfancied players got a chance to learn. With Cross history has proved that.
Universities are places to learn. Winning is not always were you learn.
Your comments are naive and ideological. The lesson of running away as soon as adversity hits could easily be viewed as standing up for what you believe in ie: Fairplay, honesty and integrity. None of these terms have been in operation over the past few years with the Ulster councils treatment of the colleges in fairness.
IT Sligo play in the FBD and all I know is that if counties pulled our players then we'd have to ask what is the point given we are trying to prepare for the Sigerson. We play 3 FBD games in January and these are vitally important for our Sigerson preparation.
Unless the Ulster council can get off their useless arses and enforce the rules of the competition then they should chuck the colleges out ta hell.
The same could be said about County teams and preparing for the NL.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 08, 2014, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: ck on December 08, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 07, 2014, 01:57:56 AM
Firstly I feel the universities should have first choice on players as a general rule.
However. For me a university is firstly a place of learning. It is as important for the last to be given the same opportunity as the first. If they lose players to the counties I do not feel it is right to simply take their ball and go home. As much as the counties have a pool of players to choose from so do the universities. If Caolan Mooney is picked by Down for example does this not open up the opportunity for another student to take his place. Some will say that they will not be competitive. From the university point of view so what. The replacement has as much right to play as the first choice and will probably learn much more from the experience. By pulling out of the competition the university is telling its students that in times of adversity you run away. That winning is more important than trying. That one students rights are more important than another's. If I was a student on the bench or seconds for a university that pulled out under these circumstances I would feel cheated. For me it was wrong when Queen's pulled out and it is still wrong.
If we transfer it to the club scene. When Cross played Omagh this year they had Aaron and Stephen Kernan injured. McKenna, Cunningham and Franny Hanratty were not fit to start. Carragher went off after 5 minutes and they had 2 players sent off. But they still played on and lost narrowly. They will be stronger in future for it as young or unfancied players got a chance to learn. With Cross history has proved that.
Universities are places to learn. Winning is not always were you learn.
Your comments are naive and ideological. The lesson of running away as soon as adversity hits could easily be viewed as standing up for what you believe in ie: Fairplay, honesty and integrity. None of these terms have been in operation over the past few years with the Ulster councils treatment of the colleges in fairness.
IT Sligo play in the FBD and all I know is that if counties pulled our players then we'd have to ask what is the point given we are trying to prepare for the Sigerson. We play 3 FBD games in January and these are vitally important for our Sigerson preparation.
Unless the Ulster council can get off their useless arses and enforce the rules of the competition then they should chuck the colleges out ta hell.
The same could be said about County teams and preparing for the NL.
Do the universities not have a senior league prior to the Sigerson Cup in order to prepare? The counties go straight into the NFL after the McKenna cup etc and county managers (and it wasn't just Mickey Harte who called on his players over the past few years) are entitled to fight their corner regarding having everyone available to them. It's up to the Ulster council to make a decision and stick to it. It was worth the experiment but it has failed and it's time to move on, competitions where players are eligible for two teams just doesn't work.
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2014/12/bank-of-ireland-dr-mckenna-cup-ready-to-throw-in-for-2015/
12 teams involved.
4 showed up for press release. 2/4 wearing tops of their respective teams. I didnt know Ulster had a team in comp?
I'd question the need for the universities there at all. Keep causing rows.
Quote from: our_fella on December 08, 2014, 06:27:39 PM
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2014/12/bank-of-ireland-dr-mckenna-cup-ready-to-throw-in-for-2015/
12 teams involved.
4 showed up for press release. 2/4 wearing tops of their respective teams. I didnt know Ulster had a team in comp?
Ulster we're going to enter but the Universities took all their players ;)
Bank of Ireland Dr. McKenna Cup 2015 Fixtures
All Sunday games at 2.00pm All midweek games at 7.30pm.
(Extra time to be played in Semi finals & Final)
Group A: Ulster University, Down, Cavan & Monaghan
Group B: QUB, Fermanagh, Donegal & Derry
Group C: St Marys, Armagh, Antrim & Tyrone
Sunday 4th January: Round 1
Group A
Monaghan v Ulster University at Clones
Down v Cavan at Pairc Esler
Group B
Fermanagh v QUB at Brewster Park
Derry v Donegal at Celtic Park
Group C
Armagh v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds
Antrim v St Marys at Creggan
Saturday 10th January: Round 2
Group A
Cavan v Ulster University at Kingspan Breffni Park (7.30pm)
Sunday 11th January: Round 2:
Group A
Monaghan v Down at Clones
Group B
Donegal v QUB at Pairc MacCumhaill
Fermanagh v Derry at Brewster Park
Group C
Antrim v Armagh at Creggan
Tyrone v St Marys at Healy Park
Wednesday 14th January: Round 3:
Group A
Down v Ulster University at Pairc Esler
Cavan v Monaghan at Kingspan Breffni Park
Group B
Derry v QUB at Celtic Park
Donegal v Fermanagh at Pairc MacCumhaill
Group C
Tyrone v Antrim at Healy Park
Armagh v St Marys at Athletic Grounds
Sunday 18th January: Semi Finals:
(1) Group A Winner v Group B Winner
(2) Group C Winner v Best Runner Up
Saturday 24th January: Final
C ya on the 24th... should be a cracker.
Quote from: our_fella on December 08, 2014, 06:27:39 PM
http://ulster.gaa.ie/2014/12/bank-of-ireland-dr-mckenna-cup-ready-to-throw-in-for-2015/
12 teams involved.
4 showed up for press release. 2/4 wearing tops of their respective teams. I didnt know Ulster had a team in comp?
Good to see St. Mary's represented - and by an Armagh county player too.
And there to represent the Ranch, whilst wearing an Armagh top. Laughable
I'm glad mc keever has made the Armagh squad.
Quote from: rrhf on December 09, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
I'm glad mc keever has made the Armagh squad.
I'm glad that your glad
Mark McHugh returns to Donegal squad ahead of McKenna Cup
Mark McHugh has returned to the Donegal football squad ahead of next month's Dr McKenna Cup campaign.
Kilcar man McHugh, 24, surprisingly left the squad in late April a month before the start of the Championship.
McHugh said that he was not enjoying his football after being bothered by injury over the previous 18 months.
The Kilcar man's cousin Eoin McHugh and St Eunan's Conor Parke are among several newcomers named in Rory Gallagher's McKenna Cup panel.
With several experienced players excused from McKenna Cup duty, Eoin McHugh is included alongside his Kilcar club-mate Ciaran McGinley.
Other squad newcomers in Gallagher's first panel are St Michael's Daniel McLaughlin, Dungloe's Cory Gallagher, Naomh Conaill's Eunan Doherty, Ardara's Ryan Malley, Naomh Colmcille's Willie Gillespie, Four Masters's Kevin McBrearty and Glenswilly duo Eamon Ward and Joe Gibbons.
The squad does include regulars Paul Durcan, Paddy McGrath, Declan Walsh, Frank McGlynn, Odhran MacNiallais, Christy Toye, Martin McElhinney, Darach O'Connor, Martin O'Reilly and Michael Murphy.
Gary McFadden is also included after opting out of the squad at the same time as Mark McHugh.
McHugh won an All Star award in 2012 after helping Donegal to All-Ireland Championship success.
However, the Kilcar man was hindered by a groin injury in the aftermath of Donegal's All-Ireland triumph and suffered concussion, a perforated eardrum and a quad muscle tear following a collision with Monaghan's Stephen Gollogly in last year's Ulster Final.
Fermanagh man Gallagher was handed the Donegal job in late October after Jim McGuinness's decision to step down from the role.
Donegal's McKenna Cup Squad:
Michael Boyle (Termon), Paul Durcan (Four Masters), Mark Anthony McGinley (St Michael's) Paddy McGrath (Ardara), Declan Walsh (Malin), Frank McGlynn (Glenfin), Odhran MacNiallais (Gweedore), Martin McElhinney (St Michaels), Christy Toye (St Michael's), Darach O'Connor (Buncrana), Eamon Doherty (St Eunan's), Hugh McFadden (Killybegs), Martin O'Reilly (MacCumhaills), Michael Murphy (Glenswilly) Gary McFadden (Glenswilly), Mark McHugh (Kilcar), Eoin McHugh (Kilcar), Ciaran McGinley (Kilcar), Conor Parke (St Eunan's), Daniel McLaughlin (St Michael's), Cory Gallagher (Dungloe), Eunan Doherty (Naomh Conaill), Ryan Malley (Ardara), Willie Gillespie (Naomh Colmcille), Kevin McBrearty (Four Masters), Eamon Ward (Glenswilly), Joe Gibbons (Glenswilly).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30586587?print=true
Tyrone's Squad
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
There are 4 players in the Senior squad for the first time – Dwayne Quinn, Padraig McNulty, Cathal McShane and Rory Brennan.
McIver reveals McKenna Cup squad
24 December 2014
Derry manager Brian McIver. INPHO
Derry boss Brian McIver has announced his squad for next month's Dr McKenna Cup.
Conor Murphy and Jarlath Bradley are two new inclusions to the panel for McIver, while Lavey's Niall Toner, Ballymaguigan's Sean Brady and Greenlough's Niall Loughlin will also be given the chance to impress in the games against Queen's University, Fermanagh and Donegal.
Eoin Bradley, who recently announced his return to the Oak Leafers, has not been named in the squad but is expected to be available at some point in the National League campaign.
The Derry senior football squad for the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup is as follows:
Eoin McNicholl (Glenullin), Oisin Duffy (Foreglen), Declan Brown (Bellaghy), John O'Kane (Glenullin), Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua), Brian Og McAlary (Kilrea), Gerard O'Kane (Glenullin), Kevin Johnston (Dungiven), Mark Craig (Dungiven), Jarlath Bradley (Ballerin), Daniel McKinless (Ballinderry), Mark Lynch (Banagher), Conor McAtamney (Swatragh), Liam McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua), Sean Leo McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua), Benny Heron (Ballinascreen), James Kearney (Swatragh), Danny Heavron (Magherafelt), Ciaran Mc Faul (Glen), Terence O'Brien (Loup), Enda Lynn (Greenlough), Emmett McGuckin (Magherafelt), Conor Murphy (Dungiven), Sean Brady (Ballymaguigan), Niall Loughlin (Greenlough), Niall Toner (Lavey).
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229450
Anyone know if any of the games are being televised or streamed live on the net?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 24, 2014, 06:44:57 PM
Anyone know if any of the games are being televised or streamed live on the net?
Na. Im afraid ye Cavan men are gonna have to pay to watch them lad. Sorry. lol
Not too sure. Wouldnt think so, unless Armagh TV may cover a few.
Quote from: theticklemister on December 24, 2014, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 24, 2014, 06:44:57 PM
Anyone know if any of the games are being televised or streamed live on the net?
Na. Im afraid ye Cavan men are gonna have to pay to watch them lad. Sorry. lol
Not too sure. Wouldnt think so, unless Armagh TV may cover a few.
Lad, pick any ground in ulster at any grade and put Cavan v Derry on and Cavan support would out number Derry.
I agree 100 %.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on December 24, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Tyrone's Squad
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
There are 4 players in the Senior squad for the first time – Dwayne Quinn, Padraig McNulty, Cathal McShane and Rory Brennan.
How many boys there have an All Ireland medal from 6 years ago? 6?
Mickey letting the Tyrone players play for the universities! Hallelujah, it's a Christmas miracle - the McKenna cup has been saved! Now we'll surely see the competitive, high quality competition that people have been craving since Mickey ruined the competition with his hard line approach. Watch out for the Ulster Universities in the Sigerson now that they have all this extra prep time. Or maybe it'll not make a difference at all.
http://teamtalkmag.com/2014/12/harte-opts-share-university/
What's everyone going to complain about now in January? Harte has still gone for a fairly strong squad, would have to be favourites again to win it. Armagh could make a bit of a push and have been training hard. A close first game and they could meet again in the semi or final (can't remember what way draw works). Will be curious to see how much more the uni's are now.
Seven newcomers for Monaghan
24 December 2014
Malachy O'Rourke has included seven new faces in his Monaghan squad for next month's Dr McKenna Cup.
Enda Duffy, John Mc Carron, Paddy McGuigan, Brendan Mc Elroy, Brian Greenan, Christopher Mc Kenna and Thomas Connolly will all get a chance to impress O'Rourke ahead of the Farney men's National League campaign.
Also included are Neil McAdam, who returns to the panel after a year of travelling, and Paddy Kierans, who last featured in the 2011 competition.
Monaghan McKenna Cup squad:
Rory Beggan, Enda Duffy, Ryan Wylie, Fintan Kelly, John McCarron, Kieran Duffy, Karl O'Connell, Paddy McGuigan, Dessie Mone, Paddy Kierans, Brendan McElroy, Vinny Corey, Martin McElroy, Brian Grennan, Christopher McKenna, Darren Hughes, Dick Clerkin, Thomas Kerr, Thomas Connolly, Stephen Gollogly, Conor McManus, Neil McAdam, Padraig Donaghy, Dermot Malone, Daniel McKenna, Ryan McAnespie.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Monaghan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229453
Any news on the Armagh squad?
Quote from: BennyCake on December 30, 2014, 02:00:40 PM
Any news on the Armagh squad?
I heard that 63 players have been on a training camp since 6.45am on Christmas Eve. They are training 9 times a day and it ends with an all in cage fight on New Years Day with the last 32 standing making it on to the McKenna Cup squad.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 30, 2014, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 30, 2014, 02:00:40 PM
Any news on the Armagh squad?
I heard that 63 players have been on a training camp since 6.45am on Christmas Eve. They are training 9 times a day and it ends with an all in cage fight on New Years Day with the last 32 standing making it on to the McKenna Cup squad.
Ah right. So the 63rd man gets a bye into the squad?
Quote from: BennyCake on December 30, 2014, 02:00:40 PM
Any news on the Armagh squad?
Supposed to be announced on Thursday.
A cage fight would give an unfair advantage to the Cullyhanna contenders.
Down's McKenna Cup panel announced
29 December 2014
Jim McCorry has announced his first Down senior football panel for the upcoming Dr McKenna Cup campaign.
Conor Maginn, Peter Fitzpatrick and Kevin McKernan are all included in the 26-man panel, as are key players Donal O'Hare and Conor Garvey.
The Mourne men begin their campaign at home to Terry Hyland's Cavan on January 4.
Down McKenna Cup panel: Stephen Kane, Kieran Gordon, Gerard Collins, Brendan McArdle, Arthur McConville, Niall Madine, Damian Turley, Conor Maginn, Cathal Crilly, Packie Downey, Chris McKay, Peter Fitzpatrick, Peter Turley, Kevin Anderson, Donal O'Hare, Conor Laverty, Luke Howard, Darren O'Hagan, Danny McKay, Conor Garvey, Kevin McKernan, Niall Donnelly, Darragh O'Hanlon, Paul Devlin, Conall McGovern, Malachy Magee.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229474
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
Any thoughts on the strength of this Tyrone team>?
Did any of the Dromintee panel that played Cross make the panel ?.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 31, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
Any thoughts on the strength of this Tyrone team>?
For me it's:
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Mickey usually gives a few new lads a crack at it so I'd imagine the likes of Sean and Justin might sit it out. There'll be calls for Tierney higher up the park.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 31, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
Any thoughts on the strength of this Tyrone team>?
Be interested to see how Cathal Mc Shane goes. Still need a top man marker.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on December 31, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
Any thoughts on the strength of this Tyrone team>?
Stinker of a panel.
Looks to be quite small & light weight. If Armagh take the notion they could bully this panel all they want.
A most unimaginative & boring selection, despite a cracking club championship last year.
Although i don't want to see us win the McKenna cup again, still disappointed that we are not taking a closer look at Niall Sludden & Dean McNally (kildress)
Think we should have tried to cajole some of the bigger lads playing club ball at the moment (Richie Donnelly, H.O Conlan) to see if they could be developed into County standard over the next 24 months, but I guess they don't fit into Mickey Hartes "running gameplan"
Underwhelmed would be an understatement. Hopefully this is MH last year. Please, please, please!!
G14. ..do you think Tyrone have the players to make a decent stab at major honours? Do you really think it's Harte holding ye's back?
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/armagh-squad-v-tyrone-%E2%80%93-dr-mckenna-cup-2015.3851/#post-96908
Armagh squad v Tyrone
Quote from: Throw ball on January 01, 2015, 03:59:08 PM
http://www.armaghgaa.net/forum/threads/armagh-squad-v-tyrone-%E2%80%93-dr-mckenna-cup-2015.3851/#post-96908
Armagh squad v Tyrone
must be saving the Crossmaglen lads for the big games.
I see Ulster University has some talent in their squad. Could cause an upset or 2. Good to see
Good to see McKeever in Armagh's team. Gives Tyrone a bit of a chance.
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2015, 06:02:06 PM
Good to see McKeever in Armagh's team. Gives Tyrone a bit of a chance.
Be funny only Mckeever is exactly the type of player tyrone are crying out for
Is the University squad's named anywhere?
How about a few predictions?
Armagh 2-17 Tyrone 0-9
Quote from: Orior on January 02, 2015, 11:25:43 PM
How about a few predictions?
Armagh 2-17 Tyrone 0-9
Not joking but yes.
Apparently Armagh have been training 4 times a day 7 days a week and are being fed some kind of animal feed.
Armagh 5-12 Tyrone 0-3
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2015, 11:39:01 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 02, 2015, 11:25:43 PM
How about a few predictions?
Armagh 2-17 Tyrone 0-9
Not joking but yes.
Apparently Armagh have been training 4 times a day 7 days a week and are being fed some kind of animal feed.
Armagh 5-12 Tyrone 0-3
That'll be the half time score ;)
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 03, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Which Forker is that starting?
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 03, 2015, 03:35:44 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 03, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Which Forker is that starting?
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Hard times for Fuzzman.
Two seasons ago shocked at how well Mickey got his team to overachieve getting to the AI semifinal playing crab football. Play it short out from the back and slow crab like sideways short passing up the field leaving our forwards starved of possession.
Strangely I watched my beloved Everton manager do the same last year and again probably over achieved.
Now both persist and are stubborn not to change despite fans uproar.
Maybe its cos I've 4 young kids, maybe it's cos I live miles away in Dublin but for the first time in my life I've zero interest in Tyrone's new season and am dreading the league campaign especially.
Sorry for the doom and gloom but it's what I foresee this year.
Hope I'm wrong but I reckon we're in for another year of negative, defensive, possession style football where forwards get frustrated time and time again. The open attack minded GSA Football that I grew up to love has been ruined by one st all costs shire, that even Kerry now have had to lower themselves to as it wins games.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 03, 2015, 08:33:25 AM
Hard times for Fuzzman.
Two seasons ago shocked at how well Mickey got his team to overachieve getting to the AI semifinal playing crab football. Play it short out from the back and slow crab like sideways short passing up the field leaving our forwards starved of possession.
Strangely I watched my beloved Everton manager do the same last year and again probably over achieved.
Now both persist and are stubborn not to change despite fans uproar.
Maybe its cos I've 4 young kids, maybe it's cos I live miles away in Dublin but for the first time in my life I've zero interest in Tyrone's new season and am dreading the league campaign especially.
Sorry for the doom and gloom but it's what I foresee this year.
Hope I'm wrong but I reckon we're in for another year of negative, defensive, possession style football where forwards get frustrated time and time again. The open attack minded GSA Football that I grew up to love has been ruined by one st all costs shire, that even Kerry now have had to lower themselves to as it wins games.
Jesus Fuzzman, chill the beans. We haven't even kicked a ball yet.
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 03, 2015, 03:35:44 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 03, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Which Forker is that starting?
Armagh taking this very seriously.
Fermanagh Team v Queens University Belfast
Thomas Treacy
Michael Jones
James Allen
Barry Mulrone
Declan McCusker
Ryan McCluskey
James McMahon
Ryan Jones (c)
Conall Jones
Aidan Breen
Ruairi Corrigan
Paul McCusker
Ryan Lyons
Sean Quigley
Eoin McManus
Subs = Christopher Snow, Richard OCallaghan, Ciaran Flaherty, James Duffy, Sean McManus, Daniel Kille, Eoin Donnelly, Darren McQuade, Conor Quigley, Tomas Corrigan
Quote from: rrhf on January 03, 2015, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 03, 2015, 03:35:44 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 03, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Which Forker is that starting?
Armagh taking this very seriously.
Lol, u getting the cry in early? Cant see any of that forward line being there come May, and Campbell wont be doing midfield either, not many of that back line will feature either. Very experimental team but hope few new boys get experience of playing against the masters of the Mckenna Cup! Doubt it will be very entertaining, packed defences and a crap referee, but at least Jamies not playing for mcquillan to book! Tyrone to retain the prestigious competition for the 45th time ir watever! :P
Why does Harte treat this competition as though it is championship every year? Seems to field his strongest team every year when available, is he letting the students play for their college this year?
Are any of McKenna games being streamed, either audio or video?
Quote from: orange on January 03, 2015, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: rrhf on January 03, 2015, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: EastTyrone on January 03, 2015, 03:35:44 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 03, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Which Forker is that starting?
Armagh taking this very seriously.
Lol, u getting the cry in early? Cant see any of that forward line being there come May, and Campbell wont be doing midfield either, not many of that back line will feature either. Very experimental team but hope few new boys get experience of playing against the masters of the Mckenna Cup! Doubt it will be very entertaining, packed defences and a crap referee, but at least Jamies not playing for mcquillan to book! Tyrone to retain the prestigious competition for the 45th time ir watever! :P
Obviously as you know everything - you'll know that Noel Mooney is reffing the game and not Joe McQuillan.
Quote from: ballela-angel on January 03, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
Are any of McKenna games being streamed, either audio or video?
They are bloody friendlies !
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: ballela-angel on January 03, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
Are any of McKenna games being streamed, either audio or video?
They are bloody friendlies !
Armagh TV streamed a good few last year so it is a valid question
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2015, 05:29:35 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: ballela-angel on January 03, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
Are any of McKenna games being streamed, either audio or video?
They are bloody friendlies !
Armagh TV streamed a good few last year so it is a valid question
Armagh TV has audio streaming of Armagh v Tyrone tomorrow.
Armagh a great price at 6-4. Double up with Hull City.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
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Quote from: EastTyrone on January 03, 2015, 03:35:44 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 03, 2015, 02:49:23 AM
Armagh team for Sunday
Geoghan
McConville Donaghy Murray
Shields Finn McKeever
Findon Campbell
Forker McKenna McVerry
MacOimhair Rafferty McParland
Think only Mark McConville and Micheal McKenna making debuts.
Which Forker is that starting?
Armagh taking this very seriously.
Lol, u getting the cry in early? Cant see any of that forward line being there come May, and Campbell wont be doing midfield either, not many of that back line will feature either. Very experimental team but hope few new boys get experience of playing against the masters of the Mckenna Cup! Doubt it will be very entertaining, packed defences and a crap referee, but at least Jamies not playing for mcquillan to book! Tyrone to retain the prestigious competition for the 45th time ir watever! :P
Obviously as you know everything - you'll know that Noel Mooney is reffing the game and not Joe McQuillan.
Correct (as of this evening) well he cudnt be any worse than Joe, so fingers crossed! Mickey interviewed this evening, he really paints himself as the saviour of the mckenna cup! Always great at pushing his own agenda!
I think we got to see a new level of mental and physical toughness in Armagh football last summer. Mc geeneys morale will have taken an almighty battering since then. First Grimley walked, obviously had enough of the whole set up. Then disillusioned key servants and unbelieving young talents retiring. Rumours of scandalous training hours making important national press amid fears of moles in the camp and to add insult to injury previous proud captain ciaran Mc keeper refusing to wear any Armagh colours at the launch of the Mc Kenna cup. I like mc geeney and just hope he can hold this rabble together. Expect a candid clear the air interview with paddy heaney before the mc Kenna cup is over.
Quote from: rrhf on January 03, 2015, 08:28:23 PM
I think we got to see a new level of mental and physical toughness in Armagh football last summer. Mc geeneys morale will have taken an almighty battering since then. First Grimley walked, obviously had enough of the whole set up. Then disillusioned key servants and unbelieving young talents retiring. Rumours of scandalous training hours making important national press amid fears of moles in the camp and to add insult to injury previous proud captain ciaran Mc keeper refusing to wear any Armagh colours at the launch of the Mc Kenna cup. I like mc geeney and just hope he can hold this rabble together. Expect a candid clear the air interview with paddy heaney before the mc Kenna cup is over.
Mcgeeney will be delighted to know you've got his back! Although I think Mickey may be more in need of your shoulder, after sacking Tony and Fergal, then penrose, gormley and SON jumping like rats from the ship, and even the sponsors didn't want to have anything to do with him! Pity Tyrone dont have strong minded men running their affairs and they may realise his time is up and get fresh managment in, sorry even a strong woman!!!!
Anyway hoping for a competitive game tomorrow, anything less than a 15pt defeat will be progress from last year! 8)
Quote from: rrhf on January 03, 2015, 08:28:23 PM
I think we got to see a new level of mental and physical toughness in Armagh football last summer. Mc geeneys morale will have taken an almighty battering since then. First Grimley walked, obviously had enough of the whole set up. Then disillusioned key servants and unbelieving young talents retiring. Rumours of scandalous training hours making important national press amid fears of moles in the camp and to add insult to injury previous proud captain ciaran Mc keeper refusing to wear any Armagh colours at the launch of the Mc Kenna cup. I like mc geeney and just hope he can hold this rabble together. Expect a candid clear the air interview with paddy heaney before the mc Kenna cup is over.
Don't even know where to start. McGeeneys morale battered, do me a favour. Grimley was minding the seat for McGeeney, common knowledge. Who are the unbelievable young talents that retired, news to me?? McKeever not wearing colours to a McKenna cup launch, who gives a shit. As for Heaney its a while since Armagh give him the time of day and knowing McGeeneys reluctance to embrace the media this won't change anytime soon. I just hope Tyrone can win their 12th McKenna cup in a row to save Hartes job for another year, fast becoming the Arsene Wenger of Gaelic football.
Tyrone winning so far.
Monaghan hold off Jordanstown in Dr McKenna Cup opener
Monaghan survived a late comeback from Ulster University Jordanstown to record a 0-20 to 2-10 victory in their opening round Dr McKenna Cup tie on Saturday.
Malachy O'Rourke's team looked to be coasting when they led by 0-17 to 0-8 with 10 minutes left in Castleblayney.
But two goals in three minutes from Derry forward Caolan O'Boyle helped the students cut the deficit to two points.
However Daniel McKenna and newcomer Brendan McElroy eased the home side's nerves with late points.
Monaghan's full-forward line of Daniel McKenna, Brendan McElroy and Christopher McKenna hit 15 points between them while Tyrone's Ronan O'Neill and Liam Gervin were among the scorers for the students.
Monaghan led by 0-9 to 0-5 at half time with Thomas Kerr and Fintan Kelly registering points for the 2013 Ulster champions.
They stretched their lead further and the game looked to be over when two Daniel McKenna frees put them 0-17 to 0-8 ahead.
Caolan O'Boyle scored what looked a consolation goal for UU when he toe-poked home a rebound after Monaghan goalkeeper Enda Duffy saved the initial shot.
The Derry forward hit another goal two minutes later and Timmy Miskella added a point as UU scored 2-1 in a three minute spell, before a couple of late Monaghan points gave the home side the points.
Elsewhere in Section A, Down will host Cavan at Pairc Esler on Sunday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30667204?print=true
Quote from: ONeill on January 03, 2015, 10:37:30 PM
Tyrone winning so far.
And somewhere in a parallel universe theres an umpa lumpa being butt fcuked by a man in a tyrone jersey, oh shit going on track record that might be happening somewhere in the wilds of Trone!
Armagh ones very touchy!
Quote from: orange on January 03, 2015, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 03, 2015, 10:37:30 PM
Tyrone winning so far.
And somewhere in a parallel universe theres an umpa lumpa being butt fcuked by a man in a tyrone jersey, oh shit going on track record that might be happening somewhere in the wilds of Trone!
That's a quare potty mouth. Did you go to the Grammar?
Touchy, no no no, theres only 1 crowd that takes mckenna cup serious and are feeling the pressure this year to deliver. We're just happy to be pitting ourselves against the champions! 8) 8)
It doesn't mean they'll win but you'll see today that Armagh will take this game as serious as Tyrone. They've trained hard this last few months so the players will be looking forward to a game. They've also got as many championship players involved as Tyrone. Add in the fact that they're in division 3 so some competitive games in McKenna cup might be useful for team preparation ahead of later in the year.
Seems that a few Armagh fans on here are still basking in getting further than Tyrone last year and how they're too big for games like this now. The chances are Armagh getting further last year was a one off and normal service will be resumed this year.
This will be a very different game to last year with Armagh much further on and mcgeeney out to lay down Armagh but would be hopeful Tyrone will restore their dominance and show last years qualifier was a one off.
Basking in the glory of beating a team in the qualifiers, dont think so! And as stated by a number of posters Mickey sees the mckenna cup as an opportunity to win silverware the past few years instead of finding new players, Armagh like other counties are the opposite, so being too big for these games LOL (again showing the pressure you are under), I think that says alot about where Tyrone are now, and are heading!
I expect a Tyrone victory today, afterall we are a Div 3 team and rightly so, and expect Tyrone to "restore their dominance" in the Mckenna cup!!! There wont be a cow milked round Beragh for weeks!
It's always nice to win silverware, that's why you enter competitions and play football. When was the last time Armagh got any type of silverware? And mickeys focus on silverware as opposed to players like Armagh has meant Tyrone getting further in the championship than Armagh nearly every year since he began with maybe 2 exceptions in 11 years. Also 3 all Ireland's to armaghs 0, I'm happy enough with his focus on silverware.
Mon Arma.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 04, 2015, 10:34:56 AM
It's always nice to win silverware, that's why you enter competitions and play football. When was the last time Armagh got any type of silverware? And mickeys focus on silverware as opposed to players like Armagh has meant Tyrone getting further in the championship than Armagh nearly every year since he began with maybe 2 exceptions in 11 years. Also 3 all Ireland's to armaghs 0, I'm happy enough with his focus on silverware.
Best of luck over the next few weeks and the upcoming McKenna cup campaign, it's very important to pick up early season silverware in such a prestigious competition. Without getting into petty childish arguments over who has more AI and Ulster titles (the only relevant pieces of silverware), I'd also like to point out that we in fact have won one AI title.
Is there any radio coverage of the down Cavan match today??
Tyrone match delayed because of the Armagh ones.
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Tyrone match now at 2.30pm.
I just was looking there and 84.5% of the ones outside the ground are from Armagh.
Will be a while yet...
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"How was Christmas?"
"Aye quiet. Didn't drink a pile."
"God I was full last night"
Good man Ciaran McKeever
Anyone see the incident?
What's happenin?
6-3 to Armagh. McKeever and Colm Cavanagh sent off after a brawl.
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Guess what Off The Fence will be full of this week!
6-5 to Armagh at ht. Reds for McKeever and Colm. 3 yellows. A black for Tyrone. Tyrone 8 wides.
A timid affair, so...
Derry giving do egal a bit of a beating today in Gallagher's 1st game on charge. Ended up Derry 1:16 Donegal 0:8.
Hard to comment on the game as wasn't at it but seems Derry totally dominated us in midfield which set them up for the win. Dobegal kicked a fortune wide and don't know if Rory will take much out of the game at all
Expect Derry to be strong this year...
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Are any of McKenna games being streamed, either audio or video?
They are bloody friendlies !
Doesn't sound like it !!!
Scores anywhere?
Armagh 1 10 Tyrone 1 08
Armagh a point up with 10 to play. Goals for McCrory and McVerry. Armagh down to 13. Moriarty off.
Couple of changes on the Fermanagh team.
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Armagh 1 10 Tyrone 1 10 65 mins
Armagh down to 12 - hooligans!
Armagh 1 10 Tyrone 1 12 72 mins
McGeeny's cage-fighting training has an immediate impact! :)
What was the attendance?
Results from Sunday's five Dr McKenna Cup games
Section A
Down 1-09 2-11 Cavan
Section B
Fermanagh 1-13 0-09 Queen's
Derry 1-16 0-08 Donegal
Section C
Armagh 1-10 1-12 Tyrone
Antrim 1-07 0-09 St Mary's College
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30673789?print=true
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 04, 2015, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on January 04, 2015, 04:10:56 PM
What was the attendance?
8463
So, more than the entire NI Soccer programme combined yesterday which got a full afternoons coverage on Radio Ulster FM.
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Sean carryin a bit of timber.
McKeever really doesn't like Moy people.
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Looks like Sean Cavanagh has gone mad on the Quality Street over Christmas.
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Go wan mckeever
Quote from: Feckitt on January 04, 2015, 04:24:53 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 04, 2015, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on January 04, 2015, 04:10:56 PM
What was the attendance?
8463
So, more than the entire NI Soccer programme combined yesterday which got a full afternoons coverage on Radio Ulster FM.
There were over 16,000 at this weekends McKenna Cup games.
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They are a credit to their county
Armagh take this competition far too seriously with their aggressive tactics. If you want to box, we'll box etc etc blah blah
Part of Peter Donnelly's strength and conditioning programme involves taking them till his oul boy's chippy in the Island.
Dire first half,slightly improved after the break.Tyrones full back line was solid,McCarron had a decent game.Kyle and Shay were very poor.Young McShane looks handy enough,would like to see him get more time the next day.
Very impressed with Armagh's no.11.He won every single ball that was played to him.Is this his first year on the panel?
McKeever picking on Cavanagh again, that's 2 games in a row now the poor fella.
Seans extra bit of timber must be the reason he kept falling over, or sorry some call it diving, it really is pityful to watch a man of his stature just falling at every opportunity, and he wasnt on his own! Then again celtic crosses have been won in the past for falling over to get opposition sent off.
Mckeever got sent off for reputation, how ref picked him out, and he obviously just sent off colm cavanagh cos he hadnt the balls to red card Sean!
As for Findons sending off, Cavanagh spent 5mins complaining to umpires and the ref that Findon was marking him too tightly, embarrassing that the ref actually listened to him!
But as for the game, 2 poor enough teams that played too defensivly, especially armagh in the last 15mins. But good enough run out for alot of new faces, especially young mckenna and Mark mcconville and Sheridan had decent debuts!
The gaps closing, 2pts this year compared to the trounching last year! Progress ;) ;)
Findon can have no complaints about walking,he had no interest in playing football today.
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 04, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
Part of Peter Donnelly's strength and conditioning programme involves taking them till his oul boy's chippy in the Island.
Dire first half,slightly improved after the break.Tyrones full back line was solid,McCarron had a decent game.Kyle and Shay were very poor.Young McShane looks handy enough,would like to see him get more time the next day.
Very impressed with Armagh's no.11.He won every single ball that was played to him.Is this his first year on the panel?
No11 is mckenna from Grange, good wee player but bit small and will be panel player this year, but a good lad! Played very well today. He has a younger brother who is better than him!
I expected more from coney he really is struggling to find his feet at senior level but has buckets of ability so harte has to persevere with him as doesn't look like hes many options. Shay mcguigan looked like a boy that was hiding!!
Were Tyrone very rough today lads?
Armagh picking up where they left off last year turning games into boxing matches. Did they manage to at least focus on the Tyrone players or did any of the backroom staff get cleaned out of it too?
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 04, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
Findon can have no complaints about walking,he had no interest in playing football today.
Neithor did cavanagh, spent his time whinging to officials, falling to ground when he got his hands on the ball and tapping over soft frees, contributed very little from play! Shadow of his former self (bar the diving, thats never left him) ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on January 04, 2015, 05:43:11 PM
Were Tyrone very rough today lads?
By rough if you mean instigating a row, then trying to divert blame to Armagh, then falling over at the sllightest contact, then Yes very very rough!!! ;D ;D
Typical.
Ah but those 'soft' frees all count ;)
Big bad Tyrone came into Armagh today,started a row with those wee timid Armagh men and then dived and whinged their way to a win ::)
Settle down Orange,it's only the McKenna cup.
Dr McKenna Cup: Tyrone fight back to beat 12-man Armagh
Tyrone made a winning start to their McKenna Cup defence as they beat an Armagh side that finished with 12 men.
Crowd congestion led to a delay and the 8,463 spectators saw early dismissals for Ciaran McKeever and Colm Cavanagh.
Armagh led 0-6 to 0-5 at half-time and then moved three ahead before Aidan McCrory's goal levelled the game.
Eugene McVerry's goal restored Armagh's lead but with Finian Moriarty and Aaron Findon dismissed after second yellow cards, Tyrone hit the last five points.
The start at the Athletic Grounds was delayed by nearly half an hour as around half the eventual attendance queued to watch Kieran McGeeney's first match in charge of the Orchard County.
And the spectators witnessed a feisty first half, which was just eight minutes old when Tyrone's Colm Cavanagh and Armagh captain McKeever received straight red cards after several players have been involved in a melee.
Sean Cavanagh hit four Tyrone points, but Micheal McKenna, Eugene McVerry and Gavin McParland were on target at the other end as the home side assumed control, going three points clear.
Tyrone almost had a goal when Peter Hughes and Peter Harte combined to send debutant Padraig McNulty through, but he was denied by a superb Niall Geoghegan save.
Tyrone 'keeper Niall Morgan was also called into action moments later, getting his angles just right to save from Mark Shields.
Darren McCurry and Cavanagh were on target to narrow the gap, and at the break, it was Armagh who led by 0-6 to 0-5.
Finian Moriarty and Aaron Findon were both sent off on second bookings, but Armagh led by three going into the final 10 minutes, after Eugene McVerry's goal had cancelled out an Aidan McCrory strike.
The Red Hands, now with a two man advantage, struck the game's final five points, three of them from Darren McCurry, to take the points.
In addition to the four red cards, 15 other cards were handed out in the Athletic Grounds encounter.
In Sunday's other Section C match, CJ McGourty's late point earned Antrim a narrow 1-7 to 0-9 win over St Mary's University College at Creggan.
James Lavery's goal in first-half injury-time put the Saffrons 1-3 to 0-3 ahead at the interval.
St Mary's fought back to level after 48 minutes and a draw looked on the cards as the match entered its closing moments before McGourty's late free earned victory for the Saffrons, who were being managed for the first time in a competitive fixture by new boss Frank Fitzsimmons.
Bank of Ireland McKenna Cup
Cavan defeat Down 2-11 to 1-9 in McKenna Cup Section A game
Jim McCorry's reign as Down manager got off to a losing start as Cavan ran out comfortable five-point winners in Sunday's Dr McKenna Cup Section A game.
Down led by 0-4 to 0-1 after 11 minutes but Martin Reilly scored two goals in two minutes late in the first half to help Cavan to a 2-4 to 0-6 advantage.
Cavan hit five unanswered points at the start of the second half to stretch their lead at Pairc Esler.
Conor Laverty's 55th-minute goal was a consolation as Down lost 2-11 to 1-9.
The Mournemen began brightly with points from play from Arthur McConville and newcomer Gerard Collins but Reilly changed the course of the game by converting a dubious penalty on the half hour, and followed that up with a goal a minute later.
The harsh penalty decision was awarded against defender Darren O'Hagan on Cavan's Paul Smith and that swung the momentum firmly in Cavan's favour.
Reilly's cool penalty into the bottom corner of the net put Cavan in front for the first time and he found the net again a minute later when Kevin McKernan lost a short kick-out.
Barry Reilly pounced on the mistake, running through on goal before flicking the ball out to Martin Reilly who sidestepped Down goalkeeper Stephen Kane and buried the ball into the net.
Conor Laverty's point just before the break reduced Cavan's lead to 2-4 to 0-6 at half time.
Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKieran hit two long-range points with Jack Brady and sub Tom Hayes also on target as their side opened up a 2-9 to 0-6 lead after 49 minutes.
Paul Devlin then missed a penalty for Down in the 43rd minute, with James Farrelly diving to his left to make the save.
Laverty did find the net for Down after 55 minutes, toe-poking home the rebound after his initial shot was saved but Cavan comfortably held on for an opening round victory in Section A.
In Saturday's Section A game, Monaghan survived a late comeback from Ulster University Jordanstown to record a 0-20 to 2-10 victory
Malachy O'Rourke's team looked to be coasting when they led by 0-17 to 0-8 with 10 minutes left in Castleblayney.
But two goals in three minutes from Derry forward Caolan O'Boyle helped the students cut the deficit to two points.
However Daniel McKenna and newcomer Brendan McElroy eased the home side's nerves with late points.
Monaghan's full-forward line of Daniel McKenna, Brendan McElroy and Christopher McKenna hit 15 points between them while Tyrone's Ronan O'Neill and Liam Gervin were among the scorers for the students.
Monaghan led by 0-9 to 0-5 at half time with Thomas Kerr and Fintan Kelly registering points for the 2013 Ulster champions.
They stretched their lead further and the game looked to be over when two Daniel McKenna frees put them 0-17 to 0-8 ahead.
Caolan O'Boyle scored what looked a consolation goal for UU when he toe-poked home a rebound after Monaghan goalkeeper Enda Duffy saved the initial shot.
The Derry forward hit another goal two minutes later and Timmy Miskella added a point as UU scored 2-1 in a three minute spell, before a couple of late Monaghan points gave the home side the points.
Down: S Kane; D O'Hagan, L Howard, G Collins (0-1); D Turley, N Madine, B McArdle; K Anderson, C McKay (0-1); P Devlin (0-4, 1f, 1 '45'), C Maginn, K McKernan; C Laverty (1-1), A McConville (0-1), D O'Hare (0-1, f)
Subs: C Crilly for Anderson (34), D McKay for C McKay (HT), M Magee for McConville (46), C Garvey for Maginn (51), C McGovern for O'Hare (68)
Cavan: J Farrelly; J Hayes, R Dunne, J McLoughlin; D McVeety (0-1), D O'Reilly, P Smith; G McKiernan (0-3), K Clarke; C Conroy, B Reilly (0-3, 2f), M Reilly (2-1, one pen, 1 '45'); R Flanagan, B Fitzpatrick, J Brady (0-2, 1f)
Subs: P Tinnelly for Conroy (15), T Hayes (0-1) for Fitzpatrick (26), M McKeever for Tinnelly (45), R Galligan for Farrelly (57), N Murray for Smith (63), D Wright for B Reilly (67)
Referee: Barry Cassidy (Derry)
Bank of Ireland McKenna Cup
Saturday 3 January - Section A
Monaghan 0-20 2-10 Ulster University Jordanstown
Sunday 4 January - Section A
Down 1-09 2-11 Cavan
Section B
Fermanagh 1-13 0-09 Queen's University
Derry 1-16 0-08 Donegal
Section C
Armagh 1-10 1-12 Tyrone
Antrim 1-07 0-09 St Mary's
Am I the only one who thinks the match was nowhere near as dirty as it sounds here. The bit of rough stuff at the start came about as Findon pushed diving swan and then the swan gave him a light slap on the face before the Armagh keeper got involved. Feel both Colm Cavanagh and McKeever suffered due to their reputation. Felt the referee was very quick with the yellows and Tyrone were better sharing them around. The rule that the diving swan cannot be sent off was invoked when he was given a final warning ten minutes before half time when he pulled an Armagh player back with both arms as he tried to break from defence.
Moriarity got two yellows. The first was when he stood with arms out as the Tyrone player ran towards him. His serious martial arts training enabled him to knock the running player back on his behind. His second yellow minutes later was for an accidental , but dangerous tackle, and the card was deserved.
Findon was outfoxed by a more experienced player and was always walking a tightrope. His second yellow was coming. He will need to improve his discipline or he will find himself on the bench.
On a positive note McKenna had a really good game. The role played by Clarke when he came on was interesting.
Who is the Michael Mckenna? Cullyhanna boyo?
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 04, 2015, 05:40:48 PM
Findon can have no complaints about walking,he had no interest in playing football today.
surprised at that comment
sean was at it as much in a nasty pernicious way but I would say he was using his experience, it will come to findon
on the match itself, two evenly matched teams, draw probably was the fair result
referee was inconsistent but it was a feisty encounter as both teams settling their stall for thesummer
couldn't believe mc keever and colm cavanaghgot sent off
think mc keever cos of who he was and Cavanagh haven't a clue why
I do think Armagh changing keeper went aginst them as the new guy gave two easy points away before he got his range,
pluses for aramgh, no 11. and Campbell is gonna be a star,
though tyrone full back line were excellent.
all in all good start to the year and I think the orchard are starting to get a panel together which bodes well fro the next few years
Are there highlights online anywhere?
How did Tyrone line out?
Well some things never change anyway up North.
meanwhile the rest of the country concentrates on winning All Irelands.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 04, 2015, 06:13:36 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the match was nowhere near as dirty as it sounds here. The bit of rough stuff at the start came about as Findon pushed diving swan and then the swan gave him a light slap on the face before the Armagh keeper got involved. Feel both Colm Cavanagh and McKeever suffered due to their reputation. Felt the referee was very quick with the yellows and Tyrone were better sharing them around. The rule that the diving swan cannot be sent off was invoked when he was given a final warning ten minutes before half time when he pulled an Armagh player back with both arms as he tried to break from defence.
Moriarity got two yellows. The first was when he stood with arms out as the Tyrone player ran towards him. His serious martial arts training enabled him to knock the running player back on his behind. His second yellow minutes later was for an accidental , but dangerous tackle, and the card was deserved.
Findon was outfoxed by a more experienced player and was always walking a tightrope. His second yellow was coming. He will need to improve his discipline or he will find himself on the bench.
On a positive note McKenna had a really good game. The role played by Clarke when he came on was interesting.
Who was the ref; Brian White from Wexford still refereeing then?
You think Findon was hard done by Naka?
Sad to see poor Armagh being victimised again, when will the poor dears ever get a break.
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 04, 2015, 06:37:45 PM
You think Findon was hard done by Naka?
actually do,
think sean was cute specially in first half
pushing findon into the wall etc
sean also gets the umpires involved
not omplaining as findon will get cuter as he gets older and will be able to deal with this
Embarrassing to see everyone of the Armagh full forward line run the length of the field to get involved in the "brawl" while the Tyrone full back line didn't budge. Cavanagh targeted again by Armagh and was on his own against 3-4 Armagh thugs for 10 seconds. Is it only me or does this Armagh team remind you of a certain town team from Tyrone?
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 04, 2015, 05:32:26 PM
Part of Peter Donnelly's strength and conditioning programme involves taking them till his oul boy's chippy in the Island.
Dire first half,slightly improved after the break.Tyrones full back line was solid,McCarron had a decent game.Kyle and Shay were very poor.Young McShane looks handy enough,would like to see him get more time the next day.
Very impressed with Armagh's no.11.He won every single ball that was played to him.Is this his first year on the panel?
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How bloody typical that mc keever got himself sent off. At the same auld crap from 05. It's more annoying than anything because he doesn't hurt anybody except his team. No hard man just disrespectful to his superiors. Armagh were quite physical for the my Kenna cup. Good for Tyrone to beat a dirty outfit and probably good for armagh that they can challenge a football team.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 04, 2015, 06:47:54 PM
Embarrassing to see everyone of the Armagh full forward line run the length of the field to get involved in the "brawl" while the Tyrone full back line didn't budge. Cavanagh targeted again by Armagh and was on his own against 3-4 Armagh thugs for 10 seconds. Is it only me or does this Armagh team remind you of a certain town team from Tyrone?
The Moy?
QuoteSeans extra bit of timber must be the reason he kept falling over, or sorry some call it diving, it really is pityful to watch a man of his stature just falling at every opportunity, and he wasnt on his own! Then again celtic crosses have been won in the past for falling over to get opposition sent off.
Jayzus it's only January and Orange is whinging about Tyrone's bucketful of all Ireland medals already! Time you accepted facts like Enda mcNulty already has - your best team ever failed on the big stage all by itself - no one else was to blame!!
Sean Cavanagh and findon had a great battle findon wouldn't get away with that in the championshhip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSB-N6E5JNw&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2015, 06:40:22 PM
Sad to see poor Armagh being victimised again, when will the poor dears ever get a break.
When will Cavan ever produce a decent referee. ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSB-N6E5JNw&feature=youtu.be
That looks really bad. Poor organising by someone.
Was an average performance from tyrone. Thought mcnamee and mccarron did well in full back line. Harte played rightly in second half and cavanagh caused plenty of problems. Mcshane had a good debut coming on. Wasn't impressed with coney mcguigan or e McKenna.
The referee was awful to both teams. Thought tyrone got the worst of it in open play but Armagh got men sent off. He wouldn't let the game flow at all and I hated the way he over used the advantage rule especially when there was hardly a free in the first place. He didn't like any kind of physical contact.
The Armagh fans and players seemed to take the game serious enough despite what was said on here. Will mean nothing later in the year but always nice to win.
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Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2015, 06:40:22 PM
Sad to see poor Armagh being victimised again, when will the poor dears ever get a break.
When will Cavan ever produce a decent referee. ;)
Have Armagh ever had a good ref officiate their games, one that let's them beat shite of the opposition without sanction.
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Quote from: Throw ball on January 04, 2015, 07:32:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2015, 06:40:22 PM
Sad to see poor Armagh being victimised again, when will the poor dears ever get a break.
When will Cavan ever produce a decent referee. ;)
Have Armagh ever had a good ref officiate their games, one that let's them beat shite of the opposition without sanction.
Can I quote Redhand Santa, a Tyrone fan: " the referee was awful".
It would be interesting to know would fans rather support a team of nicey nicey footballers who dive and whinge at refs to cheat but at the end of the day wont win anything, OR a team of physical footballers who put their bodies on the line for the cause that also wont win anything???? I know which one id prefer, id rather coach children into tackling etc than lying down when tackled!!
Well, Geezer failed in his first game.
He had the side wound up about Cavanagh and it cost them two crucial players.
You cannot wind players like McKeever up before a game. He can't channel it.
Quote from: orange on January 04, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
It would be interesting to know would fans rather support a team of nicey nicey footballers who dive and whinge at refs to cheat but at the end of the day wont win anything, OR a team of physical footballers who put their bodies on the line for the cause that also wont win anything???? I know which one id prefer, id rather coach children into tackling etc than lying down when tackled!!
Brawling definitely is good to watch - especially for children.
Quote from: ONeill on January 04, 2015, 08:28:04 PM
Well, Geezer failed in his first game.
He had the side wound up about Cavanagh and it cost them two crucial players.
You cannot wind players like McKeever up before a game. He can't channel it.
yip
happy days are back
the tyronnies now realise last year wasn't a flash in the pan and fear the resurgence of the orchard.
Of course Tyrone try harder in the McKenna cup. Let's hope Armagh show a similar improvement on their McKenna cup performance as last year.
Another 10 years of Armagh / Tyrone rivalry coming up. This well will never run dry.
Thought it was a fairly good game today for the first outing of the year. Armagh looked the more organised and hungrier team and maybe the extra men aided Tyrone in the last ten minutes..
Can any Armagh supporter actually defend treacherous McKeever again, strange choice as a captain, walking red card every game he plays, pure liability and no leadership at all..
Armagh no11 McKenna was very impressive today as was Sean Cavanagh for Tyrone, as usual.
Findon can have no complaints as he had no interest in the ball at all , Unlike Armagh no6 who was harshly treated by ref with 2 soft yellows.. Thought the ref was a disaster, he was afraid of match getting out of hand so blew up any physical contact at all and threw cards about like it was Christmas all over again! Pure joke..
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On another note, Ulster Council.... shame on you , amateur hour!!! 2 turnstiles open and running out of change!!
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 04, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
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Friday 13th. Fair play to mc geeney. Still smiling after having 3 men sent off in the mc Kenna cup. Discipline a huge factor. They got off the hook on so much as well.
Quote from: Beantown on January 04, 2015, 09:20:08 PM
Thought it was a fairly good game today for the first outing of the year. Armagh looked the more organised and hungrier team and maybe the extra men aided Tyrone in the last ten minutes..
Can any Armagh supporter actually defend treacherous McKeever again, strange choice as a captain, walking red card every game he plays, pure liability and no leadership at all..
Armagh no11 McKenna was very impressive today as was Sean Cavanagh for Tyrone, as usual.
Findon can have no complaints as he had no interest in the ball at all , Unlike Armagh no6 who was harshly treated by ref with 2 soft yellows.. Thought the ref was a disaster, he was afraid of match getting out of hand so blew up any physical contact at all and threw cards about like it was Christmas all over again! Pure joke..
For the most part McKeever calms down come the summer. He has to get his blood warmed up in the winter. ;D
Quote from: Beantown on January 04, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
On another note, Ulster Council.... shame on you , amateur hour!!! 2 turnstiles open and running out of change!!
Statement on behalf of Martin McAviney President Ulster GAA"Ulster GAA expresses sincere apologies for the delay in throw in at today's Round 1 Bank of Ireland Dr. McKenna Cup game Tyrone vs. Armagh.
A crowd of 8436 was present at the game, which was over twice the expected attendance. The game was delayed for 30 minutes to accommodate all spectators and to ensure that all Health and Safety requirements were met.
We thank all our patrons, both teams, management and County Officers for their patience, cooperation and understanding".
Armagh boss Kieran McGeeney says match delay was 'stupid'Armagh manager Kieran McGeeney says the decision to delay his side's Dr McKenna Cup game against Tyrone at the Athletic Grounds because of crowd congestion outside the ground was 'stupid'.
"We seem to be the only sport that delays games because people arrive late - they said it was a health and safety issue but I couldn't see that, they just didn't have enough people on the gate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30675530
Anyone with any sense would have known a large crowd would turn up, people were coming in saying the turnstiles had ran out of change! The malaise seems to have ran right through to the referee.
It's a shame though cos Athletic Grounds is a great venue with great facilities
Not sure who to shoulder the blame too (Armagh or Ulster Council) but to not expect a big crowd when most people are still off work from Christmas holidays as well as McGeeneys first match as manager and throw in v Tyrone then the Safety Officer/Event Controller needs a talking too.
As for the game I thought it was fairly even and the extra men advantage for Tyrone let them just shade it. I thought Findon was a dead cert to be sent off the only think surprised me was it took the ref so long, S Cavanagh may or may not have exaggerated some of the tackles but that's not for Armagh to worry about (he doesn't play for Armagh so we've no control over Sean). Findon should have been subbed at HT, it was a good game for Jan and I wouldn't be getting to carried away no matter what the result was. As for the brawl I was sitting at the far 20m line so couldn't really make out who was doing what....
I wasn't at the game,
I haven't read a match report,
But I blame the Tyrone WANs for all the fighting
Cavanagh was clearly targeted by Armagh today.Findon was sent into full back to do that and it backfired on them.
How often does he play at full back for Armagh anyway?
Brian McIver plays down Derry's McKenna Cup win over Donegal
Brian McIver says Derry's McKenna Cup win over an under-strength Donegal will have no bearing on the side's opening Football League tussle later this month.
Donegal were without nearly all their first-choice players as Derry earned a 1-16 to 0-8 win in the game at Owenbeg.
However, McIver was happy with the display of his younger players and also praised the performance of full-forward Emmett McGuckin who is being flown home from England for games.
McGuckin is currently undertaking a teacher training course at the University of Birmingham.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30675365?print=true
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 04, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
Cavanagh was clearly targeted by Armagh today.Findon was sent into full back to do that and it backfired on them.
How often does he play at full back for Armagh anyway?
To cut the conspiracy Findon was at full back because Donaghy was hurt and Vernon was on Honeymoon I believe. With 2 small corner backs a big man was needed. He played there in the national league last year.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 04, 2015, 10:09:33 PM
[/quote author=Club Rossa link=topic=919.msg1428844#msg1428844 date=1420408499]
Cavanagh was clearly targeted by Armagh today.Findon was sent into full back to do that and it backfired on them.
How often does he play at full back for Armagh anyway?
To cut the conspiracy Findon was at full back because Donaghy was hurt and Vernon was on Honeymoon I believe. With 2 small corner backs a big man was needed. He played there in the national league last year.[/quote]
Clear off Throw ball. There's no room for rational discussion on this thread ;)
Derry at Owenbeg had a poor enough set up today was well, u queue at a kiosk for tickets, just 2 rows then away to the turnstiles, the game was 15mins in and the crowd were still trying to get tickets, very poorly organised, if u issuing tickets from a kiosk you need one long enough for 6 columns of people not 2, I say there some unhappy Donegal people having to travel that distance they miss half of the first half. On the game itself, it was Donegal 2nd team and Mark McHugh against Derry 2nd team plus 4 regulars, Donegal still be favourites in a months time i would think
We should card count Armagh this year. Could be a record year for them.
Antrim v Armagh at Creggan next week. My young lad is big into WWE and MMA and this'll be dynamite for him.
I must admit I enjoyed the wee bit of old school rough that Armagh bring to the table. Makes for great panto particularly in Jan.
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 04, 2015, 10:15:54 PM
Derry at Owenbeg had a poor enough set up today was well, u queue at a kiosk for tickets, just 2 rows then away to the turnstiles, the game was 15mins in and the crowd were still trying to get tickets, very poorly organised, if u issuing tickets from a kiosk you need one long enough for 6 columns of people not 2, I say there some unhappy Donegal people having to travel that distance they miss half of the first half. On the game itself, it was Donegal 2nd team and Mark McHugh against Derry 2nd team plus 4 regulars, Donegal still be favourites in a months time i would think
A load of that congestion was down to folk not arriving at a decent time, mostly our own. We arrived at 1.30. Queued for about a minute then straight in. If yer gonna show up a few minutes before throw in, well......
Quote from: JoG2 on January 04, 2015, 11:48:37 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 04, 2015, 10:15:54 PM
Derry at Owenbeg had a poor enough set up today was well, u queue at a kiosk for tickets, just 2 rows then away to the turnstiles, the game was 15mins in and the crowd were still trying to get tickets, very poorly organised, if u issuing tickets from a kiosk you need one long enough for 6 columns of people not 2, I say there some unhappy Donegal people having to travel that distance they miss half of the first half. On the game itself, it was Donegal 2nd team and Mark McHugh against Derry 2nd team plus 4 regulars, Donegal still be favourites in a months time i would think
A load of that congestion was down to folk not arriving at a decent time, mostly our own. We arrived at 1.30. Queued for about a minute then straight in. If yer gonna show up a few minutes before throw in, well......
Aye, they're as bad as the Dubs.
Lock the door if they're not in on time, I say.
Oh i was well in on time, expected a fair crowd from Donegal, no matter the set up should be better than numbers giving out tickets, at Omagh the tickets are more easily dispensed
More at Tyrone v Armagh than at entire irish league programme.
Quote from: rrhf on January 05, 2015, 12:59:11 AM
More at Tyrone v Armagh than at entire irish league programme.
I'll bet you £100 the Irish League had more ticket sellers though.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 05, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 05, 2015, 12:59:11 AM
More at Tyrone v Armagh than at entire irish league programme.
I'll bet you £100 the Irish League had more ticket sellers though.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jamie Clarke's role coming on and playing round the half back line was a novel and interesting choice.
A sign of the way the game has gone.
Quote from: orangeman on January 05, 2015, 11:24:06 AM
Jamie Clarke's role coming on and playing round the half back line was a novel and interesting choice.
A sign of the way the game has gone.
So he's another back.
God help the game.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 05, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 05, 2015, 12:59:11 AM
More at Tyrone v Armagh than at entire irish league programme.
I'll bet you £100 the Irish League had more ticket sellers though.
....... and definitely more TV and radio coverage!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on January 05, 2015, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 05, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
Quote from: rrhf on January 05, 2015, 12:59:11 AM
More at Tyrone v Armagh than at entire irish league programme.
I'll bet you £100 the Irish League had more ticket sellers though.
....... and definitely more TV and radio coverage!
Interesting to see the comparison in crowd for Warrenpoint soccer game when their footballers play in two weeks time
Anyone see that rag irish star's front page re McCarron's return to the Tyrone team? very low
Low, but to be expected.
Just let it run it's course and don't give them any more publicity.
After today that'll be the end of it unless someone reacts.
Quote from: under the bar on January 04, 2015, 07:01:02 PM
QuoteSeans extra bit of timber must be the reason he kept falling over, or sorry some call it diving, it really is pityful to watch a man of his stature just falling at every opportunity, and he wasnt on his own! Then again celtic crosses have been won in the past for falling over to get opposition sent off.
Jayzus it's only January and Orange is whinging about Tyrone's bucketful of all Ireland medals already! Time you accepted facts like Enda mcNulty already has - your best team ever failed on the big stage all by itself - no one else was to blame!!
Must be a very small bucket!!
Quote from: ONeill on January 04, 2015, 11:12:10 PM
Antrim v Armagh at Creggan next week. My young lad is big into WWE and MMA and this'll be dynamite for him.
:)
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
Ah, is our wee Sean getting picked on by big bad Ciaran?
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2015, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
Ah, is our wee Sean getting picked on by big bad Ciaran?
busting to know if he got a reply...
Quote from: JoG2 on January 05, 2015, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 05, 2015, 03:56:01 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
Ah, is our wee Sean getting picked on by big bad Ciaran?
busting to know if he got a reply...
Has mckeever learned to type?
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Jaysus yiz are still at it.
3 against one. Armagh the brave.
Didn't see the game. What sparked the row?
Were all 4 red cards deserved?
Not starting a conspiracy theory here but after all the bad press Armagh got last year does anyone think referees will be gunning for Armagh this year? ( the answer to the first question may negate this one I know)
Every bloody home game Armagh have there's a melee. Ridiculous. And that McKeever is always stuck in it.
Stick to the football lads.. if McGeeney is capable of that!?
McKeever's antics are really becoming a bit of a wrestling (WWE) sideshow, he'll not see many 50/50 decisions go his way this year with his nonsense and it'll ultimately effect the team's fortunes.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 05, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
Anyone see that rag irish star's front page re McCarron's return to the Tyrone team? very low
Even as an Armagh man it was great to see Cathal McCarron back after the issues he has faced. I was glad to see he got a good reception from both sets of fans. Played well too.
The pictures do not tell the full story as they are stills. But if it helps people paint Armagh and McKeever as villains many will be happy. On first viewing on UTV news it looked like Sean Cavanagh and the Armagh keeper deserved the harsher punishments.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 05, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
Didn't see the game. What sparked the row?
Were all 4 red cards deserved?
Not starting a conspiracy theory here but after all the bad press Armagh got last year does anyone think referees will be gunning for Armagh this year? ( the answer to the first question may negate this one I know)
Personally thought the first 2 reds were given to the wrong players. Moriarity red was for two yellows. Mistimed tackles that on other occasions he might get away with but he cannot really complain. Findon was 2 yellows as well. Was walking a tightrope from early on. Not shrewd enough to cope with big Sean. Hopefully lesson learnt.
On a separate note Tyrone had more players booked than Armagh but managed to avoid double yellows. Does that mean they have more dirty players? ;)
Quote from: you take er! on January 05, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 05, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
Anyone see that rag irish star's front page re McCarron's return to the Tyrone team? very low
Even as an Armagh man it was great to see Cathal McCarron back after the issues he has faced. I was glad to see he got a good reception from both sets of fans. Played well too.
exactly fair play to the Armagh support.
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Have I missed something? What did he say in the tweet that was so offensive? What should he retract?
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Well she is an Armagh woman after all!
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
that's poor personal and abusive on yer part. Mr keever is man enough and so is the other man to have a spat if they want. Isn't that the Craic with Twitter. You have attacked a great gael there for having an opinion and addressing it personally. What sort of nanny state do you want.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2015, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain 6
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Have I missed something? What did he say in the tweet that was so offensive? What should he retract?
Says it all! You honestly think its acceptable for a senior county board executive member to be making contact with an opposition player who received a red card earlier that day! As I said it wouldnt happen from any other county, and wouldn't be tolerated in any other county! Bit of craic blah blah, it crosses a line, full stop!
Quote from: rrhf on January 05, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
that's poor personal and abusive on yer part. Mr keever is man enough and so is the other man to have a spat if they want. Isn't that the Craic with Twitter. You have attacked a great gael there for having an opinion and addressing it personally. What sort of nanny state do you want.
Youre missing the point! So you're happy that a member of your county board is contacting Mckeever!?! Its not just an ordinary Joe Soap, if it was then no big deal! That Moy clown is an embarrassment, or maybe hes now a hero!?! ::)
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Same person? http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=93
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2015, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain 6
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Have I missed something? What did he say in the tweet that was so offensive? What should he retract?
Says it all! You honestly think its acceptable for a senior county board executive member to be making contact with an opposition player who received a red card earlier that day! As I said it wouldnt happen from any other county, and wouldn't be tolerated in any other county! Bit of craic blah blah, it crosses a line, full stop!
But what did he say that was incorrect or offensive? I think you're over reacting a bit and in a very personal and aggressive way. But like I said earlier - you Armagh lads are very touchy. McGeeneys aggressive tactics are clearly rubbing off on the fans.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2015, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 05, 2015, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever o8m twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain 6
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Have I missed something? What did he say in the tweet that was so offensive? What should he retract?
Says it all! You honestly think its acceptable for a senior county board executive member to be making contact with an opposition player who received a red card earlier that day! As I said it wouldnt happen from any other county, and wouldn't be tolerated in any other county! Bit of craic blah blah, it crosses a line, full stop!
But what did he say that was incorrect or offensive? I think you're over reacting a bit and in a very personal and aggressive way. But like I said earlier - you Armagh lads are very touchy. McGeeneys aggressive tactics are clearly rubbing off on the fans.
Its the principle of a county board official "having a go" at a rivals captain! But thats obviously now acceptable in your eyes! Pityful! As for personal, I have told this chap in the past in the Moy hes a clown, didn't realise he had climbed the ladder (or slipped in the gutter - depending on ur view) 8)
As for touchy, whos doing the crying about "you hit our Sean" Lol
Although I might not use Orange's tone I do feel a county board official should know better than to make such a comment on social media. At a time when club players have been banned for airing their views - in different counties - a board official should be more careful. As for the actual comments themselves. I do not think McKeever will lose much sleep.
There only one clown on show Orange, McKeever,as captain who should know better and he was well away from the melee prior to it starting then made a bee line for the big softy!
And your silly dig about Tyrone all out to win just mckenna cups to keep Mickey ticking over prior to the game last week was kind of showing u as a clown uself, Newbie!!
Benny, I believe orange is 100 % correct. You are a great Gael and I can't believe what this county rep has done is wrong.
Quote from: orange on January 05, 2015, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on January 04, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
Our county board must be growing balls, the county treasurer is having a go at Ciaran McKeever om twitter. Or is it just the Moy in him?
www.twitter.com/@MacEoghain
In tweets and replies
@cmckeever6 Ciaran, can you honestly answer why you deliberately target Sean Cav in every melee? Seeing as your such a lovely fella and all.
OMG is that the clown known as Cabbage?!? That poor whore wouldnt know what football was and is as gutless, hasn't the balls to unprotect his tweets, hardly the behaviour that the position demands, I would hope that a discreet phone call is made to Mrs Jordan who was welcomed with open arms yesterday and insist that the muppet retracts it! What other county would have a county board member involved in that sort of crap!!
Could you imagine the outrage if someone tweeted something about Mcarron?!? Who was also very well treated yesterday by all sections of the armagh support (including me) ;D
Your calling him gutless and saying he hasn't balls for unprotecting his tweets after he asked a simple question to mckeever. Yet your on here acting the hard man and giving out serious personal abuse whilst hiding behind a user name. Nothing wrong with that at all.
I can't decide if your a child, a wind up or an idiot. I guess you could possibly be all 3.
I clicked on page 1 of this thread by mistake and got a great surprise when reading the university squads from 2006. Some great names.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 05, 2015, 09:55:05 PM
Although I might not use Orange's tone I do feel a county board official should know better than to make such a comment on social media. At a time when club players have been banned for airing their views - in different counties - a board official should be more careful. As for the actual comments themselves. I do not think McKeever will lose much sleep.
Another unlikely name to go into McKeevers black book. A Tyrone county board official this time, is he a club mate of Cavanaghs? It's a snide sarcastic remark and McKeever will not be deterred in targeting Cavanagh, the size of that man you would think he would be fit to stand up for himself.
G Ticklemister wished i didnt look at pg1 its like a whos whos of where did players of great potential go, where the Hell did Joe Ireland and James Colgan go to?
Ahhh this Tyrone/Armagh slabberin is a great blast from the past. Nostalgic.
We missed you Armagh. We had to drop a level but sure isn't it great. Apple-munchin, diesel-launderin, buckfast-swillin hoors.
But Mr McKeever, what have we done to annoy you? Remember ye pulled the jumper off Canavan in '05?
Ah don't stop lads this thread is the funniest thing I've read here in a long time. ;D
Two former super-powers more corncerned about knocking the shite out of each other in a mickey mouse match while Dublin and Kerry win All-irelands.
You couldn't make it up ;D Its the best entertainment here in along time.
Leave Ciaran mc Keever alone lads day buck.
Right who can name their best 15 from the uni panels on page 1??
on who made it now or on who was best back then?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 05, 2015, 11:16:05 PM
on who made it now or on who was best back then?
Ah................. Surprise me
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 11:10:54 PM
Ah don't stop lads this thread is the funniest thing I've read here in a long time. ;D
Two former super-powers more corncerned about knocking the shite out of each other in a mickey mouse match while Dublin and Kerry win All-irelands.
You couldn't make it up ;D Its the best entertainment here in along time.
More so not winning all Irelands you mean? The biggest underachievers in the modern ear by a country mile
couldn't decide, confused on players who were going to be great like Colgan to Justin McMahon who turned out good, you can fill in the gaps, i refused to move men about like Vernon and let them fight it out for the position they were playing in at the time which was midfield. I gave McKernan, the 2 McMahons, G O`Kane, Probably J O`Kane, J Loughrey, J Bradley, M Lynch, 2 McGourty and fill in a few other round them, you have a better time filling out a "why the hell did them not made it big" team instead
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 05, 2015, 11:25:32 PM
couldn't decide, confused on players who were going to be great like Colgan to Justin McMahon who turned out good, you can fill in the gaps, i refused to move men about like Vernon and let them fight it out for the position they were playing in at the time which was midfield. I gave McKernan, the 2 McMahons, G O`Kane, Probably J O`Kane, J Loughrey, J Bradley, M Lynch, 2 McGourty and fill in a few other round them, you have a better time filling out a "why the hell did them not made it big" team instead
I'll have a Craic at her tomorrow
http://balls.ie/gaa/shambolic-scenes-as-8500-people-attend-tyrone-and-armagh-dr-mckenna-cup-game/
Wind Turbine would be a big earner for Tyrone GAA
http://www.highlandradio.com/2014/12/31/wind-turbine-would-be-a-big-earner-for-tyrone-gaa/
31 Dec 2014
A wind turbine to be built at Tyrone's training complex at Garvaghey Centre will contribute £80,000 per annum to the running costs of the complex.
The electricity generated will be used to power the centre, with the excess to be sold off to the national grid.
Delays in the project have caused frustration, but Garvaghey Management Group chairman Raymond McKeown is hoping it will soon be back on track.
"From an early stage in the development of Garvaghey, much of the thought was around sustainability of the centre when it was built.
"The pioneers came up with the idea of a wind turbine both saving us in electricity bills as well as being able to sell electricity to the grid and contribute to the inevitable net deficit," he detailed in his annual report
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2054154.1420373634!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
January 4th 2015
A major investigation has been launched after an 80-metre wind turbine worth almost half a million pounds collapsed on a mountainside in Tyrone.
No one was injured when the structure unexpectedly buckled and hit the ground, scattering debris across a wide area. It was one of eight on the Screggagh wind farm near Fintona in Co Tyrone.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0103/670176-wind-turbine-tyrone/
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/80m-tall-wind-turbine-collapses-in-tyrone-656655.html
http://www.thejournal.ie/tyrone-wind-turbine-structure-incident-1862457-Jan2015/
Quote from: Clinker on January 06, 2015, 12:52:58 AM
Wind Turbine would be a big earner for Tyrone GAA
http://www.highlandradio.com/2014/12/31/wind-turbine-would-be-a-big-earner-for-tyrone-gaa/
31 Dec 2014
A wind turbine to be built at Tyrone's training complex at Garvaghey Centre will contribute £80,000 per annum to the running costs of the complex.
The electricity generated will be used to power the centre, with the excess to be sold off to the national grid.
Delays in the project have caused frustration, but Garvaghey Management Group chairman Raymond McKeown is hoping it will soon be back on track.
"From an early stage in the development of Garvaghey, much of the thought was around sustainability of the centre when it was built.
"The pioneers came up with the idea of a wind turbine both saving us in electricity bills as well as being able to sell electricity to the grid and contribute to the inevitable net deficit," he detailed in his annual report
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2054154.1420373634!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
January 4th 2015
A major investigation has been launched after an 80-metre wind turbine worth almost half a million pounds collapsed on a mountainside in Tyrone.
No one was injured when the structure unexpectedly buckled and hit the ground, scattering debris across a wide area. It was one of eight on the Screggagh wind farm near Fintona in Co Tyrone.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0103/670176-wind-turbine-tyrone/
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/80m-tall-wind-turbine-collapses-in-tyrone-656655.html
http://www.thejournal.ie/tyrone-wind-turbine-structure-incident-1862457-Jan2015/
I'd say McKeever will probably get the blame for this as well. Probably pulled it down with his bare arms.
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
He wouldn't come across as the brightest of lads....maybe thats unfair....it just seems that he lets "being a ****" get in the way of fairly decent footballing abilities...shame...I always half-liked him but he just behaves like a tool now
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 06, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
He wouldn't come across as the brightest of lads....maybe thats unfair....it just seems that he lets "being a ****" get in the way of fairly decent footballing abilities...shame...I always half-liked him but he just behaves like a tool now
are Tyrone folk really giving out about other county players behaving like tools on the field??!! some craic
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 06, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
He wouldn't come across as the brightest of lads....maybe thats unfair....it just seems that he lets "being a ****" get in the way of fairly decent footballing abilities...shame...I always half-liked him but he just behaves like a tool now
are Tyrone folk really giving out about other county players behaving like tools on the field??!! some craic
Are Derry folk really giving out about Tyrone folk giving out about other county players behaving like tools on the field?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 06, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
He wouldn't come across as the brightest of lads....maybe thats unfair....it just seems that he lets "being a ****" get in the way of fairly decent footballing abilities...shame...I always half-liked him but he just behaves like a tool now
are Tyrone folk really giving out about other county players behaving like tools on the field??!! some craic
yup
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 06, 2015, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 06, 2015, 11:04:50 AM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 06, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
He wouldn't come across as the brightest of lads....maybe thats unfair....it just seems that he lets "being a ****" get in the way of fairly decent footballing abilities...shame...I always half-liked him but he just behaves like a tool now
are Tyrone folk really giving out about other county players behaving like tools on the field??!! some craic
Are Derry folk really giving out about Tyrone folk giving out about other county players behaving like tools on the field?
affirmative!
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
McKeever is just living up to the great line of teak tough man markers from the true spiritual capital of Ireland.
He follows in the footsteps of many brawn over beauty type players where getting the ball only comes 2nd. Canavan was his first love for a few years and how it sums up the Armagh psyche that he and most Armagh fans were proud as punch that he got sent off in 2005.
Stevie ONeill was a harder but for Killer McKeever to handle and paid the ultimate price giving away the winning free in the 2005 semi. I'm sure it was another dive though. Poor Armagh have suffered a lot due to diving and could probably have overtaken Cavan in All-Irelands had it not been for diving.
So Cavanagh is his latest fancy man and Sean's temperament means he won't fall for the get me sent off shit that so many try with him.
At least McKeever is popular down the country in Laois and now Dublin. A Colourful character who will bring spice to every game who likes to make space for others around him by leaving the playing field early and often tries to take one or two others with him for an early shower.
Does anyone have stats on his red cards.
Who are you talking about?? Paddy McKeever??
But this is this not the same 'hard lad' that was a wee bit 'hurt' when a bad boy from Kerry/Laois called him a name?
What was the story were he was sub or something and he hopped over a fence to get a skelp at somebody or am I confusing that with someone else?
He sure has an interesting career to date. Did he move to Parnells in Dublin?
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(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80051000/jpg/_80051517_mckeeversean.jpg)
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(http://cdn3.independent.ie/incoming/article30473053.ece/557b6/ALTERNATES/h342/mckeever.jpg)
Sometimes I think he's a bit of a loner.
(http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2014/06/ciaran-mckeever-5-630x394.jpg)
Indiana it speaks volumes about the state of GAA in your province that you have to come to Ulster threads to get some entertainment
Sure last year Dublin fans wouldn't come back out to their seats after half time such was the dire competition every game provided.
I was chatting to a lad there at lunch time and he says he misses those sort of schmozzles as every bloody Leinster game now is over after 20 mins.
Neither of us will admit to be anywhere near winning Sam for the foreseeable future but at least we can get 8K people to a game in January. True Gaels who don't just show up in Croke park on a summers days and couldn't spell GAA.
A lot more to the GAA than winning Mr Maguire.
How many Anglo Celts have Dublin won?
Exactly!!!
:-X :-X :-X
HNY Indiana. See you in the Nell 2moro night
Indiana probably finds it odd that the same number of people in Dublin, or less, actually run well attended and competitive provincial championships in other parts of the country.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 06, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
But this is this not the same 'hard lad' that was a wee bit 'hurt' when a bad boy from Kerry/Laois called him a name?
I will think you will find that the referee sent him off for trying to deal with that fella! On saying that that sending off was successfully appealed.
I am no expert on Ciaran McKeever but have been to most Armagh matches he has played in. I know he also got sent off in the 2005 Ulster Final but again I am near sure that was overturned on appeal. Apart from Sunday I can not remember another sending off so they cannot be that frequent. From memory the only suspension he served over the last few years was when he got sent to the stand when he was water boy against Louth. Seemingly if he had have been playing he would only have got a yellow. Maybe another case were the myth differs from reality.
Is that Pythagoras's theorem on McKeever's shirt sleeve?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 06, 2015, 04:37:29 PM
Is that Pythagoras's theorem on McKeever's shirt sleeve?
Not to be a Harry Potter nerd but looks like the deathly hallows symbol to me.
Armagh must be up to a bit of wizardry this year!
(http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.10928535.0834/fc,550x550,white.jpg)
I've never seen such a violent display of jersey stretching! Was a disappointing 'brawl' in all fairness-was hardly a dig thrown. On McKeever, now that Gormley's gone, is he the new villain? You wouldn't be without any of these players.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 11:10:54 PM
Ah don't stop lads this thread is the funniest thing I've read here in a long time. ;D
Two former super-powers more corncerned about knocking the shite out of each other in a mickey mouse match while Dublin and Kerry win All-irelands.
You couldn't make it up ;D Its the best entertainment here in along time.
Odd view to hold given that Armagh gave Donegal a considerably tougher game in Croke Park last summer than Dublin did. The Dubs have a fair bit of work to do to rid themselves of the perception that they can't withstand a physical battle so in many was the subliminal fear of Armagh that your post exudes is very telling.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 06, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 06, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
But this is this not the same 'hard lad' that was a wee bit 'hurt' when a bad boy from Kerry/Laois called him a name?
I will think you will find that the referee sent him off for trying to deal with that fella! On saying that that sending off was successfully appealed.
I am no expert on Ciaran McKeever but have been to most Armagh matches he has played in. I know he also got sent off in the 2005 Ulster Final but again I am near sure that was overturned on appeal. Apart from Sunday I can not remember another sending off so they cannot be that frequent. From memory the only suspension he served over the last few years was when he got sent to the stand when he was water boy against Louth. Seemingly if he had have been playing he would only have got a yellow. Maybe another case were the myth differs from reality.
Did he not get the line v Tyrone in Healy Park last year?
Quote from: ONeill on January 06, 2015, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 06, 2015, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 06, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
But this is this not the same 'hard lad' that was a wee bit 'hurt' when a bad boy from Kerry/Laois called him a name?
I will think you will find that the referee sent him off for trying to deal with that fella! On saying that that sending off was successfully appealed.
I am no expert on Ciaran McKeever but have been to most Armagh matches he has played in. I know he also got sent off in the 2005 Ulster Final but again I am near sure that was overturned on appeal. Apart from Sunday I can not remember another sending off so they cannot be that frequent. From memory the only suspension he served over the last few years was when he got sent to the stand when he was water boy against Louth. Seemingly if he had have been playing he would only have got a yellow. Maybe another case were the myth differs from reality.
Did he not get the line v Tyrone in Healy Park last year?
No black card near the end for a Cavanagh like tackle!
Tyrone's Mattie Donnelly got red card.
PS. Before you start I know technically a black card is a sending off but I would consider in the terms of the debate that a red card is the only proper sending off.
I felt I needed to chime in with there being so much negative talk here about Ciaran McKeever - Despite being from the other side of the Clanrye River, I felt it worthwhile pointing out that last year when Down played Armagh in the Marshes during the league, he was the best player on the field of 30 starters, plus the subs who came on - In wet, muddy conditions he stood out as a good solid defender - Mark Polin got a couple of nice scores off him, but McKeever was still man-of-the match - (There I said it, can't believe I spoke up for an Armagh man, but my da was from there, poor man, the burdens he had to bear!) ;)
Armagh played Down in Athletic Grounds last season not the Marshes. What a bloody night it was too!!
He always reminded me of Ricey as often is a star player if he would stick to his football but too often than not he lets his team down but going OTT.
IMHO ye can say what you want but he certainly has it in for Sean Cavanagh at the moment and of course you can understand why.
Every opportunity he goes for him and remember last year in the video sketch I posted you can see him running past loads of other lads fighting just to get at Sean. I suppose if you get Sean sent off you do your team a big favour. Sean went through worse years ago though and imho shows great self discipline which mean on here see as him being yella.
Even the handshake below looks forced.
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on sunday mc keever got sent off because he simply was mc keever,
if the ref wanted to send the appropriate person off it was possibly the Armagh Keeper for being the first one involved.Mc Keever ran in but what did he do, moriarity did worse as did a couple of tyrone men. Colm Cavanagh also didn't warrant being sent off either if you watch the incident.
ref just chose two big names.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30694797
BBC news report on McKenna Cup. I will let you decide if McKeever deserved sent off for his part.
As I thought
I can't see how he chose mc keever or Colm Cavanagh
Who was the Armagh No 6?
You would imagine at this of year the CCCC will be hauling him in for that punch
Quote from: Throw ball on January 07, 2015, 05:51:52 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30694797
BBC news report on McKenna Cup. I will let you decide if McKeever deserved sent off for his part.
Sean C instigated it and nearly threw Findon over the hoardings. Did he even get booked?
McKeever was sent off here? Reminds me of Liam McHale in 96.
2006 Uni Teams
Queens University Belfast Squad:
F Murphy, H Gallagher, D McCartan, R Dillon, J O'Kane, G O'Kane, J Loughrey, C Vernon, P Courtney, G Donaghy, A Carr, K McGourty, E McCartan, K Niblock, M O'Rourke, D Callery, M Ward, C O'Reilly, J Gallagher, C Kielt, M Rooney, D O'Neill, R McGurk, J Ireland, J McGovern, P Mageean, P Treanor, J Crozier, P McComiskey, C Tierney.
University of Ulster Jordanstown Squad:
E McNicholl, R Murray, J Conlan, F Moriarty, P Mooney, P Doherty, D Hughes, P Donnelly, J Bradley, P Cunningham, M Lynch, R Mulgrew, P Forker, M Herron, C Conlon, M McAllister, J Colgan, J Boyle, B Boggs, D McCaul, E McConville, S McAleer, K Dyas, B O' Brien, P Downey, C Cavanagh, D Lavery, C Farrell, R McRory, S O'Hagan.
St Mary's Squad:
M O'Kane, T Hackett, K McKernan, M McIver, S O'Neill, Joe McMahon, M Murray, Justin McMahon, J Lavery, J Kelly, B McGoldrick, L Meenan, C McGourty, R Keenan, J Brown, K O'Boyle, N McVeigh, R Hamill, G O'Neill, C Clifford, J McCormack, B Byrne, J Ball, C McCarron, M Digney, D Coulter, P Keenen, N McNicholl, R Dolan, J Cunningham
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Right I'm gonna give it a wee go here........................................................................
1. Eoin McNicholl (UUJ, Derry)
2. Dan McCartan (Queens, Down)
3. Justin McMahon (St.Mary's, Tyrone)
4. James Loughery (Queens, Antrim)
5. Gerard O'Kane (Queens, Derry)
6. Kevin McKernan (St.Mary's, Down)
7. Darren Hughes (UUJ, Monaghan)
8. Mark Lynch (UUJ, Derry)
9. Joe McMahon (St.Mary's, Tyrone)
10. Gavin Donaghy (Queens, Derry)
11. Colm Cavanagh (UUJ, Tyrone)
12. Barry McGoldrick (St.Mary's, Derry)
13. Paddy Cunningham (UUJ, Antrim)
14. Charlie Vernon (Queens, Armagh)
15. Aidan Carr (Queens, Down)
Tried picking the 5 best subs there, but just realised that is a harder task!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think McKeever will get off on appeal. How the referee picked him out when there was worse going on is beyond me. The fact that he was from Cavan and that McKeever upset a few of his fellow county men in last years flag episode may have been in his head.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
I think McKeever will get off on appeal. How the referee picked him out when there was worse going on is beyond me. The fact that he was from Cavan and that McKeever upset a few of his fellow county men in last years flag episode may have been in his head.
that's a pile of balls yellowcard for god sake..................................................
it should be................................................
FLEG
Was this the start of it?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8591/16224006122_3ea36a8837_z.jpg
Think tickle you picked that team on how those players turned out, J bradley as massive for UUJ that yr and big Lynch was up front
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 07, 2015, 09:41:21 PM
Think tickle you picked that team on two those players turned out, J bradley as massive for UUJ that yr and big Lynch was up front
didnt make ye out there, ye mean i picked them on how they turned out after univeristy?? Yeah probably did lad of course. I was coaching the Magee university team in those days so I wasnt at the same unis and didn't see them first hand to be fair.
Go on wildweasel, give us yer 15 lad.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 07, 2015, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 07, 2015, 05:51:52 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30694797
BBC news report on McKenna Cup. I will let you decide if McKeever deserved sent off for his part.
Sean C instigated it and nearly threw Findon over the hoardings. Did he even get booked?
McKeever was sent off here? Reminds me of Liam McHale in 96.
LOL that was funny McHale got the head beat of him and then got the line.
The only comparable person in this scuffle tho is Colm who arrived late and got a box for his troubles
McKeever on the other hand was responsible for taking this row to another level. This was a scuffle between two players that was pretty much sorted out by the goalie until the arrival of McKeever and then it was a case of everyman in. No doubt deserved the red.
On the other hand I know to much apple munching and drinkin buckie can mess with your head but the god like worship of McGeeny is still completely unreasonable, he sickens my sh*te!
Coming from Derry and having been brought up to have no love for Tyrone, I think they done exactly right to stand up to the bully boy tactics obviously employed by Armagh. McGeeney will have Armagh whipped into a frenzy this year with a seize mentality, Tyrone needed to show some backbone and physicality after their showings last year.
Armagh ones seem to have a chip on their shoulder, that there is some vendetta against them, this seems to have been ingrained in them from Grimley and co and has filtered through to this year.
as was said, dunno how either McKeever or CCavanagh was picked out there. Finnian Moroarty was the number6. Derfinitely looked like he threw a punch
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 08, 2015, 08:55:20 AM
Coming from Derry and having been brought up to have no love for Tyrone, I think they done exactly right to stand up to the bully boy tactics obviously employed by Armagh. McGeeney will have Armagh whipped into a frenzy this year with a seize mentality, Tyrone needed to show some backbone and physicality after their showings last year.
Armagh ones seem to have a chip on their shoulder, that there is some vendetta against them, this seems to have been ingrained in them from Grimley and co and has filtered through to this year.
Dennis your balls are beef!!!
"Bully boy tactics"...catch yourself on. What bully boy tactics are obviously being employed by Armagh? Can you point to an example? Yes it got a bit hot & heavy on Sunday, with both teams equally culpable. Findon and Cavanagh should both have been shown the line after the melee at the beginning of the game and it certainly wasn't a case of Cavanagh finally standing up for himself after being pushed about by Findon- both players were at it from the start....are you saying that Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh in particular are a bunch of shrinking violets that decided enough was enough and they needed to stand up to the playground bully? Not a chance.
Same goes for the melee at Healy Park last year and claims from within the Tyrone camp that Armagh engineered the brawl are frankly embarrassing. Colm Cavanagh instigated that as much as anybody else and if I remember correctly Darren McCurry also started a smaller rucus. Donnelly got a second yellow for taking Tony Kernan out during play also, not because he was dragged into a melee by Armagh.
Yes some players play on the edge, most notably McKeever within the Armagh camp, and sometimes he goes over the edge, but bottom line everybody wants players like him in their team, players that the opposition fans love to hate.
Don't want this to sound like a swipe at Tyone, just fed up of all the nonsense about Armagh "bully boy tactis" and engineering fights to get an advantage.
Mountain out of molehills and all that. The only person I seen throwing a punch was Finn Mo and it was more of a bitch slap TBH. It was just pushing and shoving and grappling, the Ref should have yellow carded the two lads that started it and got on with the game. Of course we have the BBC jumping all over it and that's the bit that pisses me off as it was nothing and we're again made out to be thugs...look at the coverage Derry got hammering the All Irelands finalists FFS (20 seconds) but because there was a bit of pushing in Armagh v Tyrone and not to mention the delay in throw in due to crowd congestion the BBC were all over it. ::)
Quote from: illdecide on January 08, 2015, 11:15:53 AM
Mountain out of molehills and all that. The only person I seen throwing a punch was Finn Mo and it was more of a bitch slap TBH. It was just pushing and shoving and grappling, the Ref should have yellow carded the two lads that started it and got on with the game. Of course we have the BBC jumping all over it and that's the bit that pisses me off as it was nothing and we're again made out to be thugs...look at the coverage Derry got hammering the All Irelands finalists FFS (20 seconds) but because there was a bit of pushing in Armagh v Tyrone and not to mention the delay in throw in due to crowd congestion the BBC were all over it. ::)
Wrong on several counts!
Armagh v Tyrone was the game of the day. I'm not even from Ulster and I was intrigued by it, so the media were always going to give it more airtime.
As for the bit in bold above. Sure yee lads play the victim again why don't you. Yeah you are always made to be thugs, I wonder why?! You do yourselves no favours on any level. Last year you were at it in the c/ship and your managers then place a media ban. Ah yes, sure it's all the medias fault eh? The sooner your dour manager McGeeney and his followers start playing football the better cos the antics we are getting very used to seeing in Athletic grounds wins yee lads no friends at all!
Armagh always the victims. Hopefully another media ban is enforced, sure McKeever thinks the game is going to be dead within 5 years. Yawn.
QuoteYes some players play on the edge, most notably McKeever within the Armagh camp, and sometimes he goes over the edge, but bottom line everybody wants players like him in their team, players that the opposition fans love to hate.
i wouldnt have mckeever in my team to be honest. A very very average player at county level, setting aside the obvious dirty stuff he gets involved in.
Armagh always get the flak...you torture us over our Diesel, Apples and Buckfast and now our footballers...what next.
We are Armagh, no one likes us...we don't care. (this is the soccer song we might have to sing at our next game...lol)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 08, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
QuoteYes some players play on the edge, most notably McKeever within the Armagh camp, and sometimes he goes over the edge, but bottom line everybody wants players like him in their team, players that the opposition fans love to hate.
i wouldnt have mckeever in my team to be honest. A very very average player at county level, setting aside the obvious dirty stuff he gets involved in.
I am glad you are not picking the Armagh team! He has faults but over the last 10 years he has been one of Armagh's best defenders. He has also nearly been a fixture on the Ulster railway cup team and was vice captain of his country in the International Rules. Average players do not manage that. Unfortunately his best days are probably behind him. As for the dirty stuff he does do some silly things but he is nowhere close to as bad as people think. There are worse in every county including Armagh.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 08, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
QuoteYes some players play on the edge, most notably McKeever within the Armagh camp, and sometimes he goes over the edge, but bottom line everybody wants players like him in their team, players that the opposition fans love to hate.
i wouldnt have mckeever in my team to be honest. A very very average player at county level, setting aside the obvious dirty stuff he gets involved in.
I am glad you are not picking the Armagh team! He has faults but over the last 10 years he has been one of Armagh's best defenders. He has also nearly been a fixture on the Ulster railway cup team and was vice captain of his country in the International Rules. Average players do not manage that. Unfortunately his best days are probably behind him. As for the dirty stuff he does do some silly things but he is nowhere close to as bad as people think. There are worse in every county including Armagh.
My friend played with cullyhana and said on the underage teams mckeever was as ordinary as they came, but he said he worked his balls off to get a chance at Cavanagh; sorry so to play for Armagh.
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Quote from: Throw ball on January 08, 2015, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 08, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
QuoteYes some players play on the edge, most notably McKeever within the Armagh camp, and sometimes he goes over the edge, but bottom line everybody wants players like him in their team, players that the opposition fans love to hate.
i wouldnt have mckeever in my team to be honest. A very very average player at county level, setting aside the obvious dirty stuff he gets involved in.
I am glad you are not picking the Armagh team! He has faults but over the last 10 years he has been one of Armagh's best defenders. He has also nearly been a fixture on the Ulster railway cup team and was vice captain of his country in the International Rules. Average players do not manage that. Unfortunately his best days are probably behind him. As for the dirty stuff he does do some silly things but he is nowhere close to as bad as people think. There are worse in every county including Armagh.
My friend played with cullyhana and said on the underage teams mckeever was as ordinary as they came, but he said he worked his balls off to get a chance at Cavanagh; sorry so to play for Armagh.
;D
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30694797
BBC news report on McKenna Cup. I will let you decide if McKeever deserved sent off for his part.
Sean C instigated it and nearly threw Findon over the hoardings. Did he even get booked?
McKeever was sent off here? Reminds me of Liam McHale in 96.
LOL that was funny McHale got the head beat of him and then got the line.
Nothing funny about it. He was sent off because he was more noticeable than anyone else. It cost Mayo an AI.
I'd say McGeeney is teaching the lads all sorts of mma tricks.
How to kill a man without touching him etc.
Leaked footage of McKeever, Moriarty, Jamie and Findon preparing for Antrim this weekend, in a barn in Forkhill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad-hjnctZd0
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2015, 11:15:20 PM
Leaked footage of McKeever, Moriarty, Jamie and Findon preparing for Antrim this weekend, in a barn in Forkhill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad-hjnctZd0
Whose wearing the hat? Cant make him out.
That's Jamie. Picked up that gear on his travels.
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 08, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
"Bully boy tactics"...catch yourself on. What bully boy tactics are obviously being employed by Armagh? Can you point to an example? Yes it got a bit hot & heavy on Sunday, with both teams equally culpable. Findon and Cavanagh should both have been shown the line after the melee at the beginning of the game and it certainly wasn't a case of Cavanagh finally standing up for himself after being pushed about by Findon- both players were at it from the start....are you saying that Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh in particular are a bunch of shrinking violets that decided enough was enough and they needed to stand up to the playground bully? Not a chance.
Same goes for the melee at Healy Park last year and claims from within the Tyrone camp that Armagh engineered the brawl are frankly embarrassing. Colm Cavanagh instigated that as much as anybody else and if I remember correctly Darren McCurry also started a smaller rucus. Donnelly got a second yellow for taking Tony Kernan out during play also, not because he was dragged into a melee by Armagh.
Yes some players play on the edge, most notably McKeever within the Armagh camp, and sometimes he goes over the edge, but bottom line everybody wants players like him in their team, players that the opposition fans love to hate.
Don't want this to sound like a swipe at Tyone, just fed up of all the nonsense about Armagh "bully boy tactis" and engineering fights to get an advantage.
a superb post and well summed up
McKenna Cup: McGourty comes to Saffrons' rescue
05 January 2015
Antrim 1-7
St Mary's 0-9
CJ McGourty sent over a late point to secure the spoils for Antrim against St Mary's.
New manager Frank Fitzsimons fielded an experimental side but it was the experienced McGourty who came to their rescue.
The Saffrons held a 1-3 to 0-3 advantage at the interval thanks to James Laverty's goal but the students battled back to restore parity with just a minute left on the clock.
Jerome Johnston was on target with five points (four from frees) for St Mary's but they left Creggan empty-handed and, afterwards, Fitzimons told The Irish Independent: "It wasn't pretty but a win's a win.
"We are up and running now and have Armagh next week. I'd imagine they are going to be very physical but hopefully we'll get a good performance."
Antrim - G Walls; M Kane, C Burke, C O'Rawe; J Laverty (1-0), D Lynch, P McAleer; J Carron (0-1), B Hasson; C Murray, CJ McGourty (0-4, 3f), D McAleese; C Johnson, C Fleming (0-1f), E McNeill. Subs: M Magill (0-1) for E McNeill, T Scullion for P McAleer, N O'Neill for D McAleese, N Peoples for C Fleming, B Bradley for C Johnson.
St Mary's - J Deeney; A Beattie, B Og Gilligan, D Morrow; J Morgan, A Forker, C McCoey; C McCann, E Bradley (0-1); P McBride (0-1), C McGeary (0-1), R Johnston; J Johnston (0-5, 4f), M Fitzpatrick, B O'Hagan. Subs: N McNicholl (0-1) for B O'Hagan, H Loughran for D Morrow, P Slane for H Loughran (BC), J Grugan for E Bradley.
Referee R Walsh
http://www.hoganstand.com/Antrim/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229667
"For a first round Dr McKenna Cup game you couldn't expect that sort of a turnout"
06 January 2015
Chairman Martin McAviney has defended Ulster Council's decision to delay throw-in at the Athletic Grounds on Sunday.
Provincial chiefs were caught on the hop when double the anticipated crowd flocked to the Armagh county grounds for the opening-round McKenna Cup clash with Tyrone, and throw-in was moved from 2pm to 2:30pm. Orchard County manager Kieran McGeeney branded the move as "extremely stupid" and "beyond belief" but McAviney says starting a match with 4,000 spectators still outside the venue is a no-go:
"We apologise for what happened," he say in The Irish Examiner. "We certainly didn't expect over 8,000 at the Athletics Grounds. For a first round Dr McKenna Cup game you couldn't expect that sort of a turnout.
"There was disappointment among the managers. Kieran said the game should have gone ahead at 2pm but you can't do that anymore. He said the game should have gone ahead because people arrived late, but you can't do that.
"We thought we had enough people there to cater for the crowd. Evidently, we didn't. It was our first day back, that's where we were at. With our entry system there is a double-up on personnel in relation to selling tickets and then collecting tickets.
"We expected a good crowd, just not that crowd. In our defence, we reckon we had over 4,000 in the ground by the original throw-in time of 2pm.
"Those are the people who came on time. We should have been able to cope with the surge that followed after. We should have been a small bit better prepared.
"We did get the message out to people in the queues what the delay was over. Traffic and car parking wasn't an issue, tickets were.
"The initial report from the local authorities present was that the situation and how it unfolded was dealt with adequately by ourselves and the Armagh County Board."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Armagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229721
Down boss slams Cavan's blanket defence
06 January 2015
Down manager Jim McCorry says "it would be terrible for gaelic football" if other teams followed Cavan's lead.
The Breffni County claimed victory in McCorry's first competitive outing as Mourne County boss at Newry on Sunday and the home manager was not impressed by the negativity shown by the visitors:
"Against Cavan we came up against a sweeper and a double-sweeper at times while we instead wanted to play open football," he notes in The Belfast Telegraph. "I think it would be terrible for gaelic football if this is the way it is to be."
Looking ahead to next weekend's clash with Monaghan, McCorry adds: "This will be another tough test for us. When we played Louth in a challenge game a matter of days before we met Cavan, I thought we showed greater appetite and fluency and we have to get back to this against Monaghan.
"We have a number of players out at the minute but we hope to have them back in the near future."
McGuckin's McKenna Cup campaign is over
06 January 2015
Emmet McGuckin will play no further part in this season's Dr McKenna Cup.
The Derry full forward produced an influential display as Donegal were put to the sword at Owenbeg on Sunday but won't be available for any more of the Oak Leafers' matches in the winter competition as he attends a third-level college in Birmngham.
"Every game out on the pitch is a help," the 23-year-old told The Irish News. "It's that different type of fitness.
"At this time of year, that is what you want. You want to be playing good games like that.
"For the McKenna Cup, I would say that would be the end but I hope to be back for the first league game against Donegal, which I would say will be a lot different."
http://www.hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229737
McKenna Cup: Quigley impresses for Ernesiders
05 January 2015
Fermanagh 1-13
Queen's 0-9
Queens manager James McCartan finished second best in the sideline battle of wits with his former All-Ireland winning Down manager Pete McGrath at Brewster Park.
Stephen Quigley was the star man for the Ernesiders as they finished with seven points to spare.
The full-forward pounced for the game's only goal at the end of the first-half and they held a 1-6 to 0-4 advantage at the break.
An early second-half scoring burst that yielded points from Quigley, Ryan Jones, Aidan Breen and Ruairi Corrigan sealed the win for the hosts.
Fermanagh - C Snow; M Jones, J Allen, B Mulrone (0-2); D McCusker, R McCluskey, J McMahon; R Jones (0-1), C Jones; A Breen (0-1), R Corrigan (0-1), P McCusker (0-2); R Lyons, S Quigley (1-5), E McManus. Subs: C Flaherty (0-1) for R Lyons, D McQuade for E McManus, J Duffy for A Breen, R O'Callaghan for P McCusker, D Kille for R Corrigan, S McManus for R Jones.
Queen's - M Cunningham; B Burns, G McGovern, N Delargy; M Donaghy, R Wells, C Hamill (0-1); S Warnock (0-1), C Cullen; M Monan, C O'Hanlon (0-1), C Daley; R Murray (0-3), D Hughes, T Donnelly (0-2). Subs: G McCabe for M Donaghy, R McGrady (0-1) for C Cullen, P Quinn for B Burns, C McCartan for C Hamill, J Downey for S Warnock, M McCann for M Monan.
Referee - M McNally.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=229687
Armagh team named for Sunday v Antrim
1 Matthew McNeice
2 Mark McConville
3 Brendan Donaghy
4 Michael Murray
5 Mark Shields
6 Finnian Moriarty
7 Jamie Clarke
8 Aaron Findon
9 Stefan Campbell
10 Stefan Forker
11 Míceál McKenna
12 Eugene McVerry
13 Oisín Mac Íomhair
14 Caolán Rafferty
15 Niall McConville
16 Tim Harney
17 Sean Connell
18 Tony Kernan
19 Eoin McArdle
20 Stephen Sheridan
21 Seamus Kelly
22 Feidhlim O'Neill
23 James Donnelly
24 Declan McKenna
25 Paul Courtney
26 Gavin McParland
Clarke @ #7? McGeeney did say he wants Clarke to appreciate what its like further out the field and experience how the ball gets played into him. Interesting
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Clarke @ #7? McGeeney did say he wants Clarke to appreciate what its like further out the field and experience how the ball gets played into him. Interesting
no harm to McGeeney but that is one the most ridiculous things / ideas I've heard a manager say / implement. Playing Clarke in a defensive / providing role, especially as he'll, 100% be playing as a forward come championship time is a waste of time. A halfback with the strength and skills to tackle and win turn over ball, as well as reading the situation as an attack starts surely merits game time in this position in the lead up to the league. Its actually more mad than Harte playing Penrose as a defender for 5 (maybe more) odd years...the mind blows!
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Quote from: our_fella on January 09, 2015, 11:42:30 AM
Clarke @ #7? McGeeney did say he wants Clarke to appreciate what its like further out the field and experience how the ball gets played into him. Interesting
no harm to McGeeney but that is one the most ridiculous things / ideas I've heard a manager say / implement. Playing Clarke in a defensive / providing role, especially as he'll, 100% be playing as a forward come championship time is a waste of time. A halfback with the strength and skills to tackle and win turn over ball, as well as reading the situation as an attack starts surely merits game time in this position in the lead up to the league. Its actually more mad than Harte playing Penrose as a defender for 5 (maybe more) odd years...the mind blows!
Maybe that's why your not a manager or coach?
martin penrose was a good tackler imo
Quote from: Jinxy on January 08, 2015, 10:32:53 PM
I'd say McGeeney is teaching the lads all sorts of mma tricks.
How to kill a man without touching him etc.
Did McGeeny actually say "the pen is mightier than the sword"?
Quote from: ck on January 09, 2015, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 09, 2015, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 09, 2015, 11:42:30 AM
Clarke @ #7? McGeeney did say he wants Clarke to appreciate what its like further out the field and experience how the ball gets played into him. Interesting
no harm to McGeeney but that is one the most ridiculous things / ideas I've heard a manager say / implement. Playing Clarke in a defensive / providing role, especially as he'll, 100% be playing as a forward come championship time is a waste of time. A halfback with the strength and skills to tackle and win turn over ball, as well as reading the situation as an attack starts surely merits game time in this position in the lead up to the league. Its actually more mad than Harte playing Penrose as a defender for 5 (maybe more) odd years...the mind blows!
Maybe that's why your not a manager or coach?
no.....Armaghs 1 rolls royce forward being played in defence. Shouldnt be asking me about my managerial credentails, ask McGeeney
Skeog, Penrose blindly slapped at the ball using alternative hands as quick as he could ie couldnt tackle for sugar
Is the Antrim v Armagh match in Toome?
Quote from: Orior on January 09, 2015, 01:47:45 PM
Is the Antrim v Armagh match in Toome?
Creggan (Randalstown)
Sunday 11th January 2015 @ 2pm in Healy Park, Omagh
Tyrone Team V St Mary's
1 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
5 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
6 – Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 – Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
11 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
12 – Plunkett Kane – Oileán a'Ghuail
13 – Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn
14 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
15 – Shea McGuigan – Ard Bó
16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
17 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
18 – Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
19 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
20 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
22 – Niall McKenna – An Domhnach Mór
23 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
24 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
25 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
There are 8 changes from the team that started against Armagh.
Michael O'Neill replaces Niall Morgan in goals.
Rory Brennan and Dwayne Quinn replace Tiernan McCann and Ryan McKenna respectively in the Half back line.
Cathal McShane replaces Colm Cavanagh in midfield.
In attack Emmett McKenna, Kyle Coney, Peter Hughes and Sean Cavanagh make way and are replaced by Mark Donnelly, Plunkett Kane, Patrick Quinn and Connor McAliskey.
After making their debuts as subs last Sunday Rory Brennan, Dwayne Quinn and Cathal McShane make their first starts for Tyrone.
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Creggan, G it can hold nothing
McKenna Cup: Cavan 0-10 1-08 Ulster University
Ulster University recorded a surprise one-point victory over Cavan in the McKenna Cup on Saturday to boost their chances of a place in the semi-finals.
Mayo forward Cillian O'Connor was named man of the match after hitting 1-4 including a penalty in the 16th minute.
The students did the damage in the first half of the Section A match, reeling off 1-5 without reply.
UU play Down in their final group game on Wednesday night while Cavan will be at home to Monaghan.
In their opening fixture last weekend, the university side lost out to Monaghan 0-20 to 2-10.
In Saturday's game at Breffni Park, Gearoid McKiernan and Jack Brady gave Cavan an early lead before the students went on a scoring spree, hitting an unanswered 1-5 in a 13-minute spell.
Tyrone star Ronan O'Neill landed two points, with former Tyrone minor Frank Burns also on the scoresheet in the first quarter as UU went 0-4 to 0-2 ahead.
O'Connor converted a penalty for UU in the 16th minute and then tagged on a free as the students coasted to a 1-5 to 0-2 lead after 19 minutes.
Frees from Enda and Martin Reilly stopped the rot for Cavan, but a Liam Gervin point gave UU a 1-6 to 0-5 lead at half-time.
Enda and Martin Reilly's accuracy from placed balls reduced UU's advantage to a single point before Cillian O'Connor's free settled the students midway through the second half.
With the snow beginning to fall, Martin Reilly and Jack Brady converted frees to bring Cavan to within a point, 1-8 to 0-10, with four minutes remaining.
However, the students held on to put themselves in contention for a last four place.
Cavan: J Farrelly; J Hayes, R Dunne, J McLoughlin; D McVeety, D O'Reilly, P Smith; G McKiernan (0-1), K Clarke; E Hessin, B Reilly, M Reilly (0-4, 3f, one '45'); R Flanagan, E Reilly (0-3, 1f), J Brady (0-2, 2f) Subs: N Murray for B Reilly (HT), J Morris for O'Reilly (36), P Tinnelly for Smith (59), D Wright for Clarke (64)
UU: J Hughes; K Brady, R Johnston, D McNally; B Sankey, M Donnelly, C Harkin; C Mooney, N McKeever; F Burns (0-1), C O'Boyle, R Donnelly; L Gervin (0-1), R O'Neill (0-2), C O'Connor (1-4, pen, 4f) Subs: R McCaughey for D McNally (51)
Referee: N Cullen (Fermanagh)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/30764706?print=true
Get a nosey over to enniskillen the mor, any decent pubs near the pitch
There is a club house in the grounds of Brewster
that do, thanks
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 11, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
that do, thanks
looks ye were caught using two different accounts weasel!!!
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Quote from: theticklemister on January 11, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 11, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
that do, thanks
looks ye were caught using two different accounts weasel!!!
Well it's not exactly like he was trying to hide his identity at the same time :)
Down beat Monaghan 1-12 to 0-11
Quote from: ApresMatch on January 11, 2015, 03:36:06 PM
Down beat Monaghan 1-12 to 0-11
I think that means all 4 teams in that group are on 2 points. Down home to uuj next and Cavan home to Monaghan. Whoever wins by the most will top the group.
Armagh 2-11 Antrim 1-4.
" Man of the Match for Tyrone v St Mary's is Colm Cavanagh"
So the big-headed diver #2 got off his suspension? What a surprise
What's your gripe with Colm you sad git?
ulster council licking their lips rerun of tyrone armagh looks assured in semi final
Quote from: skeog on January 11, 2015, 04:59:33 PM
ulster council licking their lips rerun of tyrone armagh looks assured in semi final
Mckeever can't wait............................
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Quote from: Fuzzman on January 11, 2015, 04:39:42 PM
What's your gripe with Colm you sad git?
Er, maybe it's the big headed diver thing? ;)
Quote from: skeog on January 11, 2015, 04:59:33 PM
ulster council licking their lips rerun of tyrone armagh looks assured in semi final
It's far from assured. Derry are just ahead of Armagh in the scoring. Should Fermanagh get at least a point in Donegal, then Tyrone would likely play Derry/Armagh. But a big win for Down, Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan or even UUJ could see any of them grab the best RU spot.
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What's your gripe with Colm you sad git?
It's known as Celtic Cross envy! ;)
Quote from: under the bar on January 11, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
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What's your gripe with Colm you sad git?
It's known as Celtic Cross envy! ;)
Everyone gets one eventually
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Another red card for Armagh. No complaints with this one.
Micheal McKenna continues to impress
McKenna Cup: Tyrone and Armagh ease to victories
Tyrone made it two wins from two McKenna Cup games while Armagh also secured a Section C victory on Sunday.
The Red Hands cruised to a 1-12 to 0-3 success over St Mary's at Healy Park with Patrick Quinn scoring the only goal of the game in the second half.
The holders remain on course for the semi-finals and in with a chance of a fourth successive McKenna triumph.
Armagh picked up their first win of the campaign after overcoming Antrim 2-11 to 1-1 at Creggan.
The Orchard men led 0-6 to 0-2 at half-time before goals from Stefan Forker and Oisin Mac lomhair secured the win.
Jamie Clarke, the prolific forward who was moved back into the Armagh defence for the game, was sent-off for two yellow cards.
It's been a week of firsts for Errigal Ciaran's Aidan McCrory - last weekend he scored his first goal for Tyrone, a crucial second half strike against Armagh, and at Healy Park he captained his county for the first time.
Another pre-match development saw Colm Cavanagh restored to the squad, having had his red card dismissal against Armagh rescinded on appeal.
His point, and three Connor McAliskey efforts, helped the Red Hands open up a 0-5 to 0-1 lead, but they failed to score in the final 18 minutes of the half.
St Mary's narrowed the gap through Emmet Bradley, but they were reduced to 14 men in stoppage time when defender James Morgan, who had already been booked, picked up a black card.
Tyrone led by 0-5 to 0-2 at the interval, but St Mary's could have gone level when Jerome Johnston's penalty was superbly saved by Mickey O'Neill.
The Red Hands rallied immediately with Quinn palming home the goal, their first score in 26 minutes.
And they finished with a flourish, scores from Sean Cavanagh, Rory Brennan, Kyle Coney and Cathal McShane condemning the students to a second defeat.
Antrim: C Kerr; M Kane, C Burke, C O'Rawe; J Laverty, D Lynch, P Mc Aleer; J Carron, O Gallagher; C Murray, CJ McGourty, D McAleese; C Johnson, Mich Magill, E McNeill.
Armagh: M McNeice; M McConville, B Donaghy, M Murray; M Shields, F Moriarty, J Clarke; A Findon, S Campbell; S Forker, M McKenna, E McVerry; O Mac Iomhair, C Rafferty, N McConville.
Tyrone: M O'Neill; A McCrory, R McNamee, C McCarron; R Brennan, D Quinn, P Harte; C McShane, P McNulty; M Donnelly, D McCurry, P Kane; P Quinn, C McAliskey, S McGuigan. Subs: N Morgan, S Cavanagh, K Coney, P Hughes, T McCann, E McKenna, N McKenna, R McKenna, Justin McMahon, B Tierney.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30768871?print=true
Suppose we should be grateful for any kind of report. Perhaps in future the BBC would consider listing ALL the teams in full and list the scorers for each team also.
11 January 2015 Last updated at 17:47
McKenna Cup: Wins for Donegal and Fermanagh
Donegal enjoyed a comfortable McKenna Cup Section B win over Queen's while Fermanagh edged out Derry.
First-half goals from Martin O'Reilly and Eamon Ward put Donegal on their way to a 2-16 to 1-8 win over the students at a rain-lashed Ballybofey.
It was a closer affair at Brewster Park, with the Ernemen condemning Derry to a 1-9 to 1-7 defeat.
Seamus Quigley netted five minutes from time to give Fermanagh maximum points from two matches.
The hosts led 0-3 to 0-1 after 10 minutes, Eamon McHugh and James McMahon with stylish, well-worked scores.
Both sides struggled to get any fluidity into their play but Derry drew level with two points inside a minute from midfielders Mark Craig and Mark Lynch.
A long-range effort from Erne captain Ryan Jones restored Fermanagh's lead but a Lynch free tied the scores again in the 26th minute.
Five minutes later, the Derry skipper's snapshot from 35 metres sailed over the bar to put the Oak Leafers ahead for the first time and they still held a slender 0-5 to 0-4 lead at the break.
Derry got a major score after 45 minutes, Sean Leo McGoldrick finding Heron in space and he jinked inside his marker to blast the ball left-footed high into the roof of the net.
The Oak Leafers were the dominant force during that spell but hit a number of poor wides and didn't register a point in the second half until cornerback John O'Kane popped up with a fine score in the 58th minute.
Fermanagh turned the result around when Quigley squeezed home a near-post shot after 65 minutes.
The burly full-forward kept in Barry Mulrone's shot and his low finish beat Thomas Mallon.
Donegal dominated from the start against the students and O'Reilly fired into the top corner in the opening minutes.
Ciaran O'Hanlon netted against the run of play but it was a rare highlight for the visitors and Ward slotted in a second Donegal goal just before the break.
Donegal led 2-7 to 1-3 at half-time and they continued to control the game, with the impressive Odhran MacNiallais slotting over six points.
Fermanagh: C Snow; N Cassidy, J Allen, B Mulrone; D McCusker (0-1), J Duffy, J McMahon (0-1); R Jones (0-1), R O'Callaghan; E McHugh (0-1), R Corrigan, P McCusker (0-1); C Flaherty, S Quigley (1-3, 3f), T Corrigan Subs: C Jones for Flaherty (HT), C Quigley for McHugh (46), A Breen (0-1) for Duffy (53), E McManus for T Corrigan (53), M O'Brien for D McCusker (56), D Kille for O'Callaghan (63)
Derry: T Mallon; O Duffy, N Holly, J O'Kane (0-1); K Johnston, L McGoldrick, B Og McAlary; M Lynch (0-3, 1f), M Craig (0-2); SL McGoldrick, S Brady, B Heron (1-1, f); N Loughlin, D McKinless, D Heavron Subs: T O'Brien for McKinless (BC, 29), C McAtamney for Lynch (55), N Toner for Loughlin (55), C Murphy for Brady (56), D Brown for McAlary (68), J Kearney for L McGoldrick (70)
Referee: Joe McQuillan (Cavan)
Donegal: M Boyle; C Parke, Eamonn Doherty, P McGrath; C McGinley, Declan Walsh, F McGlynn; M McElhinney, C Toye; Corey Gallagher, O MacNiallais, E McHugh, D McLaughlin, H McFadden, M O'Reilly. Subs: MA McGinley, J Gibbons, S Hensey, E Ward, Eunan Doherty, C McCaughey, G McFadden, D Molloy, R Melley, M McDermott, W Gillespie.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/30768238?print=true
Much better report from Derry/Fermanagh game but a token six lines for Donegal V "the students". Again no team listed for the students.
Was impressed with Rory Brennan today. Only out of school, I think, but was comfortable on the ball, and didn't appear phased. Great score too.
What age is he Norf? Is he another attacking wing back or a man marker? How's the defence looking overall?
Will Justy always be our FB or will McNamee be in with a shout. Every year we all talk about wouldn't it be nice to see Justy further up the field.
How did MF and McShane do today?
Are we a bit more direct in our attacks?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 12, 2015, 08:58:47 AM
What age is he Norf? Is he another attacking wing back or a man marker? How's the defence looking overall?
Will Justy always be our FB or will McNamee be in with a shout. Every year we all talk about wouldn't it be nice to see Justy further up the field.
How did MF and McShane do today?
Are we a bit more direct in our attacks?
I think every year we just talk about how nice it would be to have Justy fit and available for selection! With the latest round of retirals he is one of the most experienced players left, it would be great if he could get a run of games over the year and nail down his place. My big hope for the next couple of months or so is that Mickey identifies a nucleus of key men in key positions and builds a team around them. The drastic changes from game to game hasn't been a successful policy.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 11, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
Was impressed with Rory Brennan today. Only out of school, I think, but was comfortable on the ball, and didn't appear phased. Great score too.
He is last year at u21 level.
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Because it generally takes about 4-5 years to convert these young wans into Gareth Brook fans and then they're ready... :P
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Maybe theyre too young so not quite good enough yet? (Probably stating the obvious)
What Kerry and Dublin minors went straight into senior panel??
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Maybe theyre too young so not quite good enough yet? (Probably stating the obvious)
What Kerry and Dublin minors went straight into senior panel??
I dont think Tyrone are any better or worse than any of the other 'top teir' counties (and i would question the wisdom of bringing 18/19 year olds into a senior intercounty setup anyway).
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Maybe theyre too young so not quite good enough yet? (Probably stating the obvious)
What Kerry and Dublin minors went straight into senior panel??
There would be a few answers to that...
- not all minors make good senior footballers
- not all minors want to play football after a certain age
- university...alot of lads end up going to Uni in England or Scotland
- minors typically - with the rare exception - make it straight rom Minor to senior...the make up of the senior panel has an influence on that too...its hard to upstage and replace good senior players, esp those who have won the big prizes, which happened with tyrone of the last few years
- u21s is much more relevant than minor in talent progression (in my opinion)
- women, drink, drugs and Grand theft Auto 5
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Maybe theyre too young so not quite good enough yet? (Probably stating the obvious)
What Kerry and Dublin minors went straight into senior panel??
There would be a few answers to that...
- not all minors make good senior footballers
- not all minors want to play football after a certain age
- university...alot of lads end up going to Uni in England or Scotland
- minors typically - with the rare exception - make it straight rom Minor to senior...the make up of the senior panel has an influence on that too...its hard to upstage and replace good senior players, esp those who have won the big prizes, which happened with tyrone of the last few years
- u21s is much more relevant than minor in talent progression (in my opinion)
- women, drink, drugs and Grand theft Auto 5
Question remains unanswered. What Dublin or Kerry players go straight into seniors from minors in recent years?? I'm not aware of any.
It takes a seriously gifted player to step up at 18/19 and with the physical requirement in the game now it's even more unusual
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 12, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
Why are Tyrone so bad at bringing minors straight through to the senior squad? Every year there is a spatter of new faces but rarely do we see the better players from the previous years minor teams pulled through. Other counties such as Dublin and Kerry aren't afraid to do it, why the blockage in Tyrone?
Maybe theyre too young so not quite good enough yet? (Probably stating the obvious)
What Kerry and Dublin minors went straight into senior panel??
There would be a few answers to that...
- not all minors make good senior footballers
- not all minors want to play football after a certain age
- university...alot of lads end up going to Uni in England or Scotland
- minors typically - with the rare exception - make it straight rom Minor to senior...the make up of the senior panel has an influence on that too...its hard to upstage and replace good senior players, esp those who have won the big prizes, which happened with tyrone of the last few years
- u21s is much more relevant than minor in talent progression (in my opinion)
- women, drink, drugs and Grand theft Auto 5
There exists a school of thought in Tyrone that the current development squad culture is doing more harm than good. Lads grow up thinking they are guaranteed to be a senior star after being pampered from U14 and when adult football kicks in they are not prepared to work as hard for it.
Just a theory I've heard discussed...
Was at the Antrim/Armagh game. The Saffrons were dire but I spose tis only mid January. They left poor Magill up on his own surrounded by 4-5 Armagh defenders.
Conor McGourty had no choice but to hit frees just outside the scoring range back towards his own midfield as there wasn't a soul to target. Clarke had little to do stationed on the half back line so spent most of the match looking to get involved up where he should be.
Some of the Armagh tackling was exemplary. I just wonder if they'll find scoring a problem this year against decent defences.
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2015, 09:36:19 PM
Was at the Antrim/Armagh game. The Saffrons were dire but I spose tis only mid January. They left poor Magill up on his own surrounded by 4-5 Armagh defenders.
Conor McGourty had no choice but to hit frees just outside the scoring range back towards his own midfield as there wasn't a soul to target. Clarke had little to do stationed on the half back line so spent most of the match looking to get involved up where he should be.
Some of the Armagh tackling was exemplary. I just wonder if they'll find scoring a problem this year against decent defences.
was there also...thought Finden and jamie clarke were very strong...clarke makes it all look so easy, regardless of the conditions
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2015, 09:36:19 PM
Was at the Antrim/Armagh game. The Saffrons were dire but I spose tis only mid January. They left poor Magill up on his own surrounded by 4-5 Armagh defenders.
Conor McGourty had no choice but to hit frees just outside the scoring range back towards his own midfield as there wasn't a soul to target. Clarke had little to do stationed on the half back line so spent most of the match looking to get involved up where he should be.
Some of the Armagh tackling was exemplary. I just wonder if they'll find scoring a problem this year against decent defences.
was there also...thought Finden and jamie clarke were very strong...clarke makes it all look so easy, regardless of the conditions
Is it actually true that Jamie Clarke is being played in defence??
Findon is a quare unit.
Jamie is better than most on the pitch every time he takes to the field.....I just think he's a bit of a conundrum.
He seems to get swallowed up against good defences. He didn't score against Donegal last year, scored a point from play against Tyrone.
The fact that McGeeney is messing around with him now suggests he's trying to change his game somewhat.
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
Findon is a quare unit.
Jamie is better than most on the pitch every time he takes to the field.....I just think he's a bit of a conundrum.
He seems to get swallowed up against good defences. He didn't score against Donegal last year, scored a point from play against Tyrone.
The fact that McGeeney is messing around with him now suggests he's trying to change his game somewhat.
playing in attack or defence, he is completely fearless...e was getting some serious hits yesterday and was playing on...thought the red against him was harsh but it shows that he can mix it....if mcgeeny gets it right he has a deadly asset and it was great to see kaolin rafferty and him swapping positions...was happy to see armagh looking more like a solid team...
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on January 12, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
Findon is a quare unit.
Jamie is better than most on the pitch every time he takes to the field.....I just think he's a bit of a conundrum.
He seems to get swallowed up against good defences. He didn't score against Donegal last year, scored a point from play against Tyrone.
The fact that McGeeney is messing around with him now suggests he's trying to change his game somewhat.
playing in attack or defence, he is completely fearless...e was getting some serious hits yesterday and was playing on...thought the red against him was harsh but it shows that he can mix it....if mcgeeny gets it right he has a deadly asset and it was great to see kaolin rafferty and him swapping positions...was happy to see armagh looking more like a solid team...
They lost last week and yesterday they beat a shambles of an antrim team. I wouldn't be getting too excited for armagh just yet. Despite the hype and serious money he spends, McGeeney has won nothing as a manager.
Would agree with you on that Jaie Clarke. He's one player ID travel and pay in to see. Hope McGeeney doesn't ruin him
Quote from: ck on January 12, 2015, 10:38:12 PM
Would agree with you on that Jaie Clarke. He's one player ID travel and pay in to see. Hope McGeeney doesn't ruin him
I think he has to try something. As a target man Clarke wasn't cutting it against tight defences, despite having all the talent in the world. I remember him against Tyrone in Healy last year - he had the beating of every Tyrone defender but kept stepping back when on a run, making a score more difficult that it could have been. I don't know whether he's unsure of his own pace but he has the talent to be posting Gooch-like scores.
His strength is soloing and jinking and passing and his vision is world class. His scoring tallies have never been that high. I think he is a natural no 11.
Quote from: rrhf on January 13, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
His strength is soloing and jinking and passing and his vision is world class. His scoring tallies have never been that high. I think he is a natural no 11.
I would say his best strength is winning primary possession. He is always out in front, wins the ball might not score but he can bring others into the game. From a Tyrone perspective I'm very happy to see Jamie playing at half back.
Sssssshhhhhhhh. Let this remain our secret.
The fact that McGeeney is experimenting with him out the field does suggest alright that he knows he needs to get more out of Jamie. He would make a brilliant CHF but Armagh can't afford to lose his threat further up either (if he doesn't score he still occupies the defence, which should in theory free up other forwards). The onus should be on the other forwards to make more of the space they've been afforded and to link up better with Jamie when he does get on the ball in the forwards.
It's hard to see Clarke playing there come summer...
...Armagh?
See Ciaran McKeever named in Armagh team v St. Mary's. Would a suspension only be for 1 match or does that mean his suspension overturned?
Quote from: Throw ball on January 14, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
See Ciaran McKeever named in Armagh team v St. Mary's. Would a suspension only be for 1 match or does that mean his suspension overturned?
He didn't do much. One game was plenty for him.
how long is clarke suspended for.
Pitch inspection in ballybofey at 10 a.m
Quote from: rrhf on January 14, 2015, 12:29:01 AM
how long is clarke suspended for.
He's not, he didn't get a
straight red so he's not suspended.
Good to see mggeeney ringing the changes. Looks like he is going with the big man on the edge of the score.
A big looking team. Lots of variations possible but would be good to see Declan McKenna get a go at midfield.
What games are off ?.
Tyrone game off
Lads, much is student / senior citizen admission tonight?
Quote from: Muzz on January 14, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Tyrone game off
Clear the lines, use a yellow ball and you're good to go.
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Quote from: our_fella on January 14, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
Lads, much is student / senior citizen admission tonight?
I think it's £4/€5.
Derry v Queens and Donegal v Fermanagh off too
#McKennaCup game between Cavan and Monaghan has been called OFF. The Breffni pitch is unplayable.
Armagh v St Mary's & Down v UU will proceed tonight as scheduled.
Four postponed games will take place on Sunday at 2pm.
I can't understand why the Armagh v St Marys game is taking place tonight when all others have been called off. If Armagh win tonight, derry (for example) would know what winning margin they would have to achieve on sunday to overtake Armagh and, therefore, secure a semi final place in front of armagh.
Whilst this is 'only' the McKenna cup, I would suspect that if tyrone were to exit the competition in such a way that legal proceedings would be imminent?
Quote from: regal on January 14, 2015, 03:36:59 PM
Whilst this is 'only' the McKenna cup, I would suspect that if tyrone were to exit the competition in such a way that legal proceedings would be imminent?
Lol
Interesting to hear yis chatting about JC and where to play him to get the best out of him
To me he's one of the top 5 forwards in Ireland and had he been around 10 years ago he would have done some damage given the right ball into him
However, his arrival onto the scene in these dark days of swarm/blanket defensive systems I fear we will never really get to see how good the lad could really be.
Benny Coulter alluded to it last year that the way the game has gone (maybe with the exception of the Dubs and maybe Cork) there is a lot more focus on stopping the opponents now so players like the Bradley brothers had become a problem cos if you hit the ball long up to them they might have got it but often if they did they would have 3 men around them right away.
The days of seeing fast passing in front of a forward where he skins his man, turns quick and shoots are few and far between.
Thankfully most of us got to see players like PTG, Gooch, Maurice Fitz, Stevie McDonnell, Pauric Joyce, Mickey Linden and Joe Brolly all terrorise defences with man to man marking systems in place. To me its what made GAA such an exciting sport as everywhere you looked around the pitch there was 14 mini battles going on.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 14, 2015, 03:46:06 PM
Interesting to hear yis chatting about JC and where to play him to get the best out of him
To me he's one of the top 5 forwards in Ireland and had he been around 10 years ago he would have done some damage given the right ball into him
However, his arrival onto the scene in these dark days of swarm/blanket defensive systems I fear we will never really get to see how good the lad could really be.
Benny Coulter alluded to it last year that the way the game has gone (maybe with the exception of the Dubs and maybe Cork) there is a lot more focus on stopping the opponents now so players like the Bradley brothers had become a problem cos if you hit the ball long up to them they might have got it but often if they did they would have 3 men around them right away.
The days of seeing fast passing in front of a forward where he skins his man, turns quick and shoots are few and far between.
Thankfully most of us got to see players like PTG, Gooch, Maurice Fitz, Stevie McDonnell, Pauric Joyce, Mickey Linden and Joe Brolly all terrorise defences with man to man marking systems in place. To me its what made GAA such an exciting sport as everywhere you looked around the pitch there was 14 mini battles going on.
Agree. I believe that the GAA should be doing all that it can it terms of rule changes to return to this type of game! It's quickly becoming rugby league.. oh with the black card. I would propose that the GAA implement a rule where only a max of 8 players are allowed inside your own 45 at any one time. The penalty being a 13m free kick!
All well and good suggesting these things and rule changes to help the game but cannot be on the referee to rule on some of these things. 4th offical should be responsible. Time he earned his way at games.
Armagh 0-2 St. Marys 0-7
Down 1-1 UUJ 0-2
What price were St.Marys tonight?
can anyone list their team?
Armagh 1-4 St. Marys 0-7
Down 1-3 UUJ 0-2
Armagh 1-05
St. Mary's 0-11
Armagh playing with a very strong wind in the second half.
Armagh 1-5 St. Marys 0-11 HT
Down 1-5 UUJ 0-3 HT
Not very pleasant conditions in the Athletic Grounds, you can't beat Armagh TV and staying by the fire. St Mary's playing rightly, but their lead is not enough with that wind.
You wouldn't put your bin out on a night like that, £3 well spent.
Any red cards for Armagh yet?
Quote from: theticklemister on January 14, 2015, 08:26:28 PM
What price were St.Marys tonight?
can anyone list their team?
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Yer some boy for one boy Drici!
Armagh 1-6 St. Marys 0-13
Down 1-10 UUJ 1-6
Jamie knocking them over, St Mary's holding on by 1.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2015, 09:18:15 PM
Jamie knocking them over, St Mary's holding on by 1.
from wing-back????????????????????? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Armagh 2-11 St. Marys 0-13
Down 1-11 UUJ 1-7
Armagh 2-11 St. Marys 0-14 FT
Down 1-13 UUJ 1-7 FT
So a four point win for Derry over QUB would send them through at the expense of Armagh, unless Antrim somehow manage to beat Tyrone by 4?
Quote from: drici on January 14, 2015, 08:54:53 PM
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I wonder if Nelson McCausland has as much fun as I had working out the club names?
Thon Diarmaid MacSeáin was man of the match, he put in a good evening's work.
McParland did his case no harm for Armagh.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 14, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
So a four point win for Derry over QUB would send them through at the expense of Armagh, unless Antrim somehow manage to beat Tyrone by 4?
If Donegal win, will it not depend on how much they beat Fermanagh by?
Quote from: FermGael on January 15, 2015, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 14, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
So a four point win for Derry over QUB would send them through at the expense of Armagh, unless Antrim somehow manage to beat Tyrone by 4?
If Donegal win, will it not depend on how much they beat Fermanagh by?
Will a 3 point win not be enough for Derry to go throw? Are they not on +9 points and Armagh are on +11
If donegal beat Fermanagh then Derry will probably finish top of the group (if they beat queens) then dobegal would need to beat Fermanagh by a massive score to go through as best runner up (roughly 12 point victory I think)
If antrim bate Tyrone by 6 what does that do to yer computations.
We'll burn their shellsuits.
To further complicate things I'm pretty sure that teams level on points are settled by scoring average and not scoring difference. This is calculated by dividing total points scored by total points conceded.
Can anyone confirm this is still the case and what is the logic in doing it this way? To me it just adds further complication and rewards negative teams who concede less. If you win a match 15 10 you would get an average of 1.5, whereas if you win 10 5 it would be an average of 2. Or even better a 4 1 victory would be much better than 15 12. Seems stupid to me.
Venue changes for Sunday 18th January
Derry v QUB - Lavey 2pm
Tyrone v Antrim - Clones 2pm
There are not enough expletives in any language to describe the complete dumbfcuk decision to bring a McKenna Cup match involving Antrim and Tyrone to Clones. How can any committee with more than a single brain cell between them arrive at a decision to further increase the lengthy travel involved for supporters rather than attempt to reduce it in the current weather conditions?
Armagh would have been the best bet but that not excately handy for Antrim either
Well someone from Antrim might well drive l
past the Athletic Grounds on the way to Clones, so it would probably be handy from that perspective.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 12:01:14 AM
Armagh would have been the best bet but that not excately handy for Antrim either
How come?
Is there much snow up in Ulster this morning
Small bit here in Dublin, near the sea front
Both Armagh and newry were both unavailable so not much they could do about that. I assume all suitable grounds in Tyrone had snow on them do couldn't risk a late cancellation. Antrim would have been an option which either wasn't available or Tyrone rejected. Clones probably handier for any Tyrone supporters going. I'm sure both teams would rather the game played in clones than not at all.
Still a thick layer of snow up here, even in Omagh. The forecast gives extreme cold tonight so Clones might not be playable tomorrow as well
Pity casement wasn't up and running. Still there were both Tyrone and Antrim boyos on here who have now got their way. Same boyos can't see the irony in this.
Casement up and running today? They're not buying it in Ikea y'know.
Venue Change due to weather conditions Bank of Ireland McKenna Cup Round 3 Derry vs Queens will now take place at Greenlough not Lavey at 2pm. All other games will proceed as planned at 2pm. Updates on Ulster GAA twitter @ulstergaa
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 17, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
There are not enough expletives in any language to describe the complete dumbfcuk decision to bring a McKenna Cup match involving Antrim and Tyrone to Clones. How can any committee with more than a single brain cell between them arrive at a decision to further increase the lengthy travel involved for supporters rather than attempt to reduce it in the current weather conditions?
+1
It feels like Ulster final day 2009. Could be a similar crowd in Clones.
Antrim score first point of the day.
Niall Morgan equalises. A point each after 10 mins
Antrim back in front. Upstarts.
Plunkett Kane equalises. Great to see a Plunkett out there.
Kyle Coney puts Tyrone ahead with an eely long range point.
725 in attendance
Is Drici having a day off? The lazy bollix
McCurry puts Red Arses 4-2 up.
Gallagher for Antrim sticks one over. 4-3.
Mexican wave.
Mark Sweeney on for Antrim. Cavanagh taps over free. 5-3.
Attendance now 727.
Gallagher again for Antrim. He must be stopped. 5-4.
McAliskey point from play. 6-4.
One minute of additional time to be played.
Cavanagh free. 7-4 at half time.
Antrim scorers: Owen Gallagher 0-2, Conor McGourty 0-1(f), Sean McVeigh 0-1
Tyrone: Sean Cavanagh 0-2 (2f), Niall Morgan 0-1(45), Plunkett Kane 0-1, Kyle Coney 0-1, Darren McCurry 0-1, Conor McAliskey 0-1
Great updates - there aren't half enough Plunketts on! Did you ask those two lads why they were late?
A couple, seemed to be cuddling. Perhaps a wee bush call up the road to keep warm. Still smiling at each other.
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2015, 02:45:31 PM
A couple, seemed to be cuddling. Perhaps a wee bush call up the road to keep warm. Still smiling at each other.
A wee bush call! too much information! ;D
Cavan ahead of Monaghan at HT 0-12 to 0-5
Ryan McKenna on for Quinn.
Hot chocolate 4 euros
Niall O'Neill points for Antrim. 7-5.
Derry losing.
Kyle Coney goals after ball came off crossbar. Couldn't miss.
1-7 to 0-5
McAliskey hits the post but eventually gets the point. 1-8 to 0-5.
DJ McGourty point. Green boots. 1-8 to 0-6.
No scores for a while now. KitKats are a euro.
Cavanagh from play. 1-9 to 0-6.
There's a man dipping his KitKat into hot chocolate. V chocolatey I'd imagine.
Pollock for Antrim. 1-9 to 0-7. And he's taken off. Shouts Bollocks.
Tomas McCann on for Antrim.
McShane and Lavery on for Tyrone.
McCurry free. 1-10 to 0-7. A curry would be deadly.
10 mins left.
Morgan fond of the solo today, over the half way line. A lot of shouts of "get back ye stupid cnut".
Niall McKenna and Shay McGuigan on.
or is it Shea.
Cavanagh point. 1-11 to 0-7.
Ronan McNabb MOTM. Small ripple of gloved appreciation.
Peter Harte on. Game over. 1-11 to 0-7.
Queens bt Derry & Donegal currently one point up on Fermanagh. Tyrone v Armagh 2 on the cards then.
Is Drici ok?
Was that 2 or 4 fingers for a euro?
What price were Queens?
Cavan beat Monaghan by a goal. Two sent off from both teams.
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2015, 03:55:41 PM
Cavan beat Monaghan by a goal. Two sent off from both teams.
And no Armagh men in sight!
Monaghan and Armagh, two peas in a pod. 3 sending off came from an assault by drew Wylie on a Cavan player.
Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals:
Wednesday 21st January, Throw in 8pm
Cavan v Fermanagh at Kingspan Breffni Park Cavan
Armagh v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds Armagh.
If Armagh can keep their full contingent on the pitch they should win.If it's anything like the 1st game it will be good preparation for the start of the league.
Always nice to beat Monaghan and I see they were up to their old tricks again, if you cant win start hitting!!
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 18, 2015, 04:45:42 PM
Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals:
Wednesday 21st January, Throw in 8pm
Cavan v Fermanagh at Kingspan Breffni Park Cavan
Armagh v Tyrone at Athletic Grounds Armagh.
The Athletic Grounds is more accessible for Tyrone people in the Dungannon, Ballygawley etc area and should draw a bigger crowd than Omagh would. Cavan have a bigger support than Fermanagh so a home match for Cavan should draw a bigger crowd. The toss of coins worked well for the Ulster Council.
When is the final fixed for
After the first game's shenagians and Armagh's back to basics play the man first strategy thanks to McGeeney which works for them, I can see a bit of a tough game again. Tyrone lads will want to show they won't be pushed about.
I might even go if no snow
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2015, 09:16:28 AM
After the first game's shenagians and Armagh's back to basics play the man first strategy thanks to McGeeney which works for them, I can see a bit of a tough game again. Tyrone lads will want to show they won't be pushed about.
I might even go if no snow
Fuzzman we decide when it snows in Armagh...and it won't be on Wed nite. So come ahead and enjoy our
hospital hospitality, should be a good game and hopefully we can keep 15 men on the pitch this time to give you hardy hoors from Tyrone a game.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 18, 2015, 09:33:33 PM
Always nice to beat Monaghan and I see they were up to their old tricks again, if you cant win start hitting!!
In regards to the old tricks, id like to comment that the reason the hitting started was Gearoid McKiernan making a sectarian remark to Drew Wylie.........no place for that shite on a gaelic field....
Quote from: FarneyMan on January 19, 2015, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 18, 2015, 09:33:33 PM
Always nice to beat Monaghan and I see they were up to their old tricks again, if you cant win start hitting!!
In regards to the old tricks, id like to comment that the reason the hitting started was Gearoid McKiernan making a sectarian remark to Drew Wylie.........no place for that shite on a gaelic field....
That's a very serious accusation to make FarneyMan and the first I've heard of it. Is that what the Monaghan lads are sayin?
Quote from: FarneyMan on January 19, 2015, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 18, 2015, 09:33:33 PM
Always nice to beat Monaghan and I see they were up to their old tricks again, if you cant win start hitting!!
In regards to the old tricks, id like to comment that the reason the hitting started was Gearoid McKiernan making a sectarian remark to Drew Wylie.........no place for that shite on a gaelic field....
You have mighty hearing Farneyman, all they way up in the stand. I see a load of the mushroom men saying that within half an hour of the event over on hoganstand. Maybe he made a remark about the fact that Wylie nearly removed Martin Reillys head??? You have no evidence to back up that accusation.
Dont need mighty hearing if able to talk to players that were on the field..........and correct Wylie's tackle was awful and rightly so he got carded for it, but the verbal abuse from McKiernan has no place in the modern game....
Quote from: FarneyMan on January 19, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Dont need mighty hearing if able to talk to players that were on the field..........and correct Wylie's tackle was awful and rightly so he got carded for it, but the verbal abuse from McKiernan has no place in the modern game....
We will have to wait and see what the referees report says, McKiernan got red for something. I hope its not what you are saying though
There was no mention of this in any match report or commentary afterwards. How did it get into the stands nearly before the game ended. Farneyman - you are accusing a young man of something and you have no evidence, I suggest you stop now. It could just be someone assumed he said something sectarian. For all you know he could have insulted his mother or his hair style. If something like this genuinely happened Monaghan should report it through the correct channels. Until then you should desist from these accusations.
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game. Wouldn't be surprised if Geezer rests a good few players for this. Don't think he will want any more bad publicity or ammunition ahead of a possible USFC clash later on in the year.
"How did it get into the stands nearly before the game ended".........might have something to do with Finlay being asked what happened my his management team when he was walking off the pitch.....his reply could clearly be heard by supporters close to the sideline....
I hope it has been picked up by the ref and is in his match report, and if not then hopefully Monaghan will report it through the correct channels.....
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game. Wouldn't be surprised if Geezer rests a good few players for this. Don't think he will want any more bad publicity or ammunition ahead of a possible USFC clash later on in the year.
Fixed that for ye.
I disagree Yeller. I think both managers and squads will want to create a winning mentality and are both stubborn men who don't like losing. Under Geezer Armagh in my eyes have returned to their bully boy, physicality approach which served them well in years gone by which we saw in lots of games last year with lots of flare ups and not just v Cavan.
I can see Tyrone wanting to lay down a marker than they won't be easily bullied again and with it being in the Lions den this game could again see a lot of heated blood on a frosty night.
With Tyrone losing out to Armagh last year Armagh can taste blood and know the tables are turning back in their favour.
The rest of the country of course will look on in glee as we beat lumps out of each other in January.
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"Listen here you baldy git, you go to their flag and call them tight free state cnuts"
Are they still hoping these wee triangles and circles on their shirts will bring them back to their glory days
Nice to have ye back Orangemen. We missed the crack with yis
The dive from that Donegal doctor there is priceless...he could be a premiership player
Quote from: illdecide on January 19, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
The dive from that Donegal doctor there is priceless...he could be a premiership player
OR a referee.
Remember Di Canio push on the ref.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFp1WwSMu4
Quote from: illdecide on January 19, 2015, 01:12:45 PM
The dive from that Donegal doctor there is priceless...he could be a premiership player
the best bit about the Donegal doctor pic was the fact that he was wearing his sunday mass shoes with the tracksuit bottoms
Re the great Armagh physicality debate. Id much rather see a team being physical than throwing themselves to the ground to win a free at every given opportunity
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2015, 01:55:09 PM
Re the great Armagh physicality debate. Id much rather see a team being physical than throwing themselves to the ground to win a free at every given opportunity
Yes we know JoG2. Most Armagh people seem to like this side of the game over the years.
In all seriousness do you ever think if ye had of stuck more to playing the game that ye might have had more All Irelands. I don't know I'm just asking the question.
Yellowcard sensibly said he hopes McKeever tries to stay on the pitch this time rather than gunning for big Sean who knows now how to get him riled up.
I wonder has any student ever done a study on why? Was it always there even back in the 50s & 60's?
Is it something to do with conflict with the real Orangemen up around that area or just over reliance on Buckfast?
(http://photosales.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/cache/beltel/3f/19/b9/d0769aaaead818e8a3837c19e2.jpg)
O'Neill, is there stats showing yellow and red cards for counties over the years anywhere?
Fuzzman you're out of order a we bit there...I know you're just trying to wind up a bit but them Garvaghy men with that flag are not the Buckfast Brigade and if my memory serves me correctly they have this at every game. Fearon can confirm this but I think they lost a family member and kept up the tradition in his memory? Tony can u confirm or explain this encase im way off the mark?
Quote from: illdecide on January 19, 2015, 03:05:43 PM
Fuzzman you're out of order a we bit there...I know you're just trying to wind up a bit but them Garvaghy men with that flag are not the Buckfast Brigade and if my memory serves me correctly they have this at every game. Fearon can confirm this but I think they lost a family member and kept up the tradition in his memory? Tony can u confirm or explain this encase im way off the mark?
You're correct illdecide, the flag was the idea of Martin 'Barrymore' Breen. He passed away from cancer a few years ago and his brothers, & nephew in the pic, bring the flag to all the games. They have raised a lot of money for Macmillan etc over the years by letting people sign the flag for a donation.
OOps sorry about that lads. Totally didn't know and yes was just trying to stir up some of the aul craic we used to have, especially with Orange in such fine form recently. The man/woman brings his own rope doesn't he.
I will delete the pic.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2015, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2015, 01:55:09 PM
Re the great Armagh physicality debate. Id much rather see a team being physical than throwing themselves to the ground to win a free at every given opportunity
Yes we know JoG2. Most Armagh people seem to like this side of the game over the years.
In all seriousness do you ever think if ye had of stuck more to playing the game that ye might have had more All Irelands. I don't know I'm just asking the question.
Yellowcard sensibly said he hopes McKeever tries to stay on the pitch this time rather than gunning for big Sean who knows now how to get him riled up.
I wonder has any student ever done a study on why? Was it always there even back in the 50s & 60's?
Is it something to do with conflict with the real Orangemen up around that area or just over reliance on Buckfast?
(http://photosales.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/cache/beltel/3f/19/b9/d0769aaaead818e8a3837c19e2.jpg)
O'Neill, is there stats showing yellow and red cards for counties over the years anywhere?
Is that picture of the queue outside the Athletic Grounds a couple of weeks ago?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2015, 12:38:42 PM
I disagree Yeller. I think both managers and squads will want to create a winning mentality and are both stubborn men who don't like losing. Under Geezer Armagh in my eyes have returned to their bully boy, physicality approach which served them well in years gone by which we saw in lots of games last year with lots of flare ups and not just v Cavan.
I can see Tyrone wanting to lay down a marker than they won't be easily bullied again and with it being in the Lions den this game could again see a lot of heated blood on a frosty night.
With Tyrone losing out to Armagh last year Armagh can taste blood and know the tables are turning back in their favour.
The rest of the country of course will look on in glee as we beat lumps out of each other in January.
(http://img.rasset.ie/00090c90-642.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRH0c58qUhYofXam0cMTu-OlYzuCORtgElUk1oKDyG6VWybCnGj)
(http://c0.thejournal.ie/media/2014/08/karl-lacey-with-aaron-findon-and-aidan-forker-390x285.jpg)
(http://www.gaa.ie/content/images/news/armagh/Geezer_McKeever_studying2014.jpg)
"Listen here you baldy git, you go to their flag and call them tight free state cnuts"
Are they still hoping these wee triangles and circles on their shirts will bring them back to their glory days
Nice to have ye back Orangemen. We missed the crack with yis
Bully boy tactics eh? Even if that were the case, I would think more of a player who shouldered you or who gave me a fair punch to the jaw rather than someone who rubs muck into a players eyes, or a gives a sneaky punch to the knackers.
As a Tyrone man, you can't really give out about any other team considering what your own team have done/still do.
I heard Mickey has a new cutting edge 7 man defensive system in mind this year
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As I said ye all think its OK to give someone a "fair" punch to the Jaw
Yis are gas. So you're saying because some Tyrone players have done similar (or worse) acts then we lose our rights to comment?
Interesting. I thought it was a discussion board where there is freedom of speech but looks like you Armagh lads are making up your own rules again.
At least yis are kinda admitting that its OK to bully lads with physicality and the odd punch. Thankfully we've never seen an Armagh man dive or try to win a soft free. Yis have a clear conscious there I suppose
Quote from: FarneyMan on January 19, 2015, 11:48:00 AM
"How did it get into the stands nearly before the game ended".........might have something to do with Finlay being asked what happened my his management team when he was walking off the pitch.....his reply could clearly be heard by supporters close to the sideline....
I hope it has been picked up by the ref and is in his match report, and if not then hopefully Monaghan will report it through the correct channels.....
So the ref asked the umpire what they " heard" from 40 yards away and due to super sonic hearing they were able to relay the insult mckiernan supposedly gave to the Monaghan man. Pat McEneaney was at the game, he will be awful impressed with th umpires. Fast track them for the big time. Seriously, it's only the McKenna cup, can yis not lose with a bit of class for once in your existence?
Can yis stop using yis please ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
As I said ye all think its OK to give someone a "fair" punch to the Jaw
Yis are gas. So you're saying because some Tyrone players have done similar (or worse) acts then we lose our rights to comment?
Interesting. I thought it was a discussion board where there is freedom of speech but looks like you Armagh lads are making up your own rules again.
At least yis are kinda admitting that its OK to bully lads with physicality and the odd punch. Thankfully we've never seen an Armagh man dive or try to win a soft free. Yis have a clear conscious there I suppose
I didn't say it was ok to swing a punch. I said I'd think more of a player than one who used sneaky backhanded antics.
You sound like the Dublin journos who tarnished Armagh's reputation in the last decade. The sad thing was, it worked. And it's working again, McKeevers red card verifies that.
It was posted on ArmaghGAA and Twitter that this would be streamed on Armagh TV, but these posts have no disappeared. It would be a pity if this means it will not be covered, Wednesday night is not ideal for a lot of supporters who might be there if it were Sunday.
Think Armagh will be resting a lot of players for this game but not so sure if Tyrone will do the same given Hartes love affair with the McKenna cup and his desire to win 4 in a row. A trophy is a trophy even if it is a tin pot and I suppose the fact that they refuse to play challenge matches will force his hand. He has stated that he may even play Donnelly and O'Neill even though they played for UUJ already in the same competition, but it will make a total mockery if that is the case. Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again but from what I can gather he won't be playing in this match along with a host of others.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/breffni-park-incident-set-to-be-investigated-by-ulster-council-30920914.html
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Have to admit I love reading the banter between us and the Tyrone ones. Reminds me of being at home
#Lurganmaninmanchester
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Typical Armagh attitude concentrating on intimidation. No wonder your games end in brawls!
Just play football lads and stop talking tripe about your bully boy tactics. I'd have thought Armagh were above all that and it would be only the likes of Div.3 teams who would be resorting to such a thing,, oh hold on
Quote from: ck on January 20, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Typical Armagh attitude concentrating on intimidation. No wonder your games end in brawls!
Just play football lads and stop talking tripe about your bully boy tactics. I'd have thought Armagh were above all that and it would be only the likes of Div.3 teams who would be resorting to such a thing,, oh hold on
Cavanagh is about 6'3 and 15 stone so you would think he should be well fit to take care of himself, so get away with this nonsense about intimidating him. If you want a non contact sport with no physicality then go to the theatre or watch a bit of ballet. Anyone who is being honest enjoys the physical approach and needle that a local rivalry creates, you give and you take. Of course you will have the pc brigade up on their soap box chanting 'down with that sort of thing' but those pundits are more concerned with their own media profiles than 'the poor children'.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: ck on January 20, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Typical Armagh attitude concentrating on intimidation. No wonder your games end in brawls!
Just play football lads and stop talking tripe about your bully boy tactics. I'd have thought Armagh were above all that and it would be only the likes of Div.3 teams who would be resorting to such a thing,, oh hold on
Cavanagh is about 6'3 and 15 stone so you would think he should be well fit to take care of himself, so get away with this nonsense about intimidating him. If you want a non contact sport with no physicality then go to the theatre or watch a bit of ballet. Anyone who is being honest enjoys the physical approach and needle that a local rivalry creates, you give and you take. Of course you will have the pc brigade up on their soap box chanting 'down with that sort of thing' but those pundits are more concerned with their own media profiles than 'the poor children'.
Since when did the theatre and ballet come under the banner of a non contact sport?
Quote from: Muzz on January 20, 2015, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: ck on January 20, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Typical Armagh attitude concentrating on intimidation. No wonder your games end in brawls!
Just play football lads and stop talking tripe about your bully boy tactics. I'd have thought Armagh were above all that and it would be only the likes of Div.3 teams who would be resorting to such a thing,, oh hold on
Cavanagh is about 6'3 and 15 stone so you would think he should be well fit to take care of himself, so get away with this nonsense about intimidating him. If you want a non contact sport with no physicality then go to the theatre or watch a bit of ballet. Anyone who is being honest enjoys the physical approach and needle that a local rivalry creates, you give and you take. Of course you will have the pc brigade up on their soap box chanting 'down with that sort of thing' but those pundits are more concerned with their own media profiles than 'the poor children'.
Since when did the theatre and ballet come under the banner of a non contact sport?
Saying as the only thing you picked up on was the semantics, then I presume you have no issue with the actual point which is that a bit of physicality in the game should be embraced and not frowned upon in the manner of a pc junkie. Or maybe your just that petty that you have nothing else to contribute.
Quote from: ck on January 20, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Typical Armagh attitude concentrating on intimidation. No wonder your games end in brawls!
Just play football lads and stop talking tripe about your bully boy tactics. I'd have thought Armagh were above all that and it would be only the likes of Div.3 teams who would be resorting to such a thing,, oh hold on
It's tyrone fans who are battering on about Armagh's so called bully boy tactics, not Armagh fans.
As for matches ending in brawls. That's incorrect. The Cavan match started with a brawl ;D
Yellow,
Simple question for you.
Could you rank what YOU think are the most physically imposing counties in Ulster?
Why do you think teams like Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh and Down don't seem to put as much emphasis on this side of the game?
Would they benefit more if they did?
Have Donegal upped the physicality levels on the past three years?
IMHO you're contradicting yourself on this thread as I think you'd love to see Big Sean get a damn good hiding as he deserves but not to get caught doing it and be man down.
It's good to be back down at Armaghs level, just for the banter.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: ck on January 20, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
Really hope that McKeever doesn't start picking on Cavanagh again this time, we need him on the field if we are to have a chance of winning the game
But then...
Just hope that Geezer selects McKeever to put some manners on Cavanagh again
Just to clarify (the first post had a hint of sarcasm which isn't easily translated when put in writing) I hope he picks on him but is subtle enough not to get caught like the last time (even if it was handbags). If you look at Cavanaghs face when McKeever grabbed him he was like a scared rabbit, he is easily cowed by McKeever and will not want to come up against him.
Typical Armagh attitude concentrating on intimidation. No wonder your games end in brawls!
Just play football lads and stop talking tripe about your bully boy tactics. I'd have thought Armagh were above all that and it would be only the likes of Div.3 teams who would be resorting to such a thing,, oh hold on
Cavanagh is about 6'3 and 15 stone so you would think he should be well fit to take care of himself, so get away with this nonsense about intimidating him. If you want a non contact sport with no physicality then go to the theatre or watch a bit of ballet. Anyone who is being honest enjoys the physical approach and needle that a local rivalry creates, you give and you take. Of course you will have the pc brigade up on their soap box chanting 'down with that sort of thing' but those pundits are more concerned with their own media profiles than 'the poor children'.
So if he was 4ft 10" and 10 stone you'd agree that he he was being intimidated? Just so we are all clear, what is the size and weight threshold that makes a player fair game?
The physical approach that you yearn for is players hitting each other hard
and fair - Armagh at the minute aren't doing that and are creating a reputation for themselves as being a very over physical team which push the rules to the limit and beyond. Just for the record, I for one don't want to see scuffles break out during matches, less so during the parade - if you want that sort of think go watch MMA or UFC, or better still go and watch Armagh train.
A lot of crap is seen as acceptable on the pitch when it shouldn't be. Even the like of Findon in the earlier page in this thread with Lacey in some kind of bear head lock, a fella who behaves like that should be straight off the pitch.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 02:17:12 PM
Yellow,
Simple question for you.
Could you rank what YOU think are the most physically imposing counties in Ulster?
Why do you think teams like Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh and Down don't seem to put as much emphasis on this side of the game?
Would they benefit more if they did?
Have Donegal upped the physicality levels on the past three years?
IMHO you're contradicting yourself on this thread as I think you'd love to see Big Sean get a damn good hiding as he deserves but not to get caught doing it and be man down.
It's good to be back down at Armaghs level, just for the banter.
This physical approach put forward by the media is a nonsense, there were a few minor skirmishes broke out in games involving Armagh last year but because they weren't speaking to a load of hacks they were fair game to be attacked by the press. As for your question, well that is a nonsense as Armagh are no more or less physical than any other county, the only difference is we don't go crying like babies when someone starts pushing our players about in melees. You give it and you take it, its not tiddlywinks. How do you even measure physicality, get the first XV to start bench pressing, throw them in a UFC dome and have them wrestle? If there were mass punch ups or physical violence then I'd be the first to condemn it but to the best of my knowledge nobody has got injured from any of these horrible obscene acts of violence that Armagh have pre planned and instigated since last year. Just hyperbole and exaggeration to feed the hysterical parts of the media. Its no coincidence that now that McMenamin and Gormley have retired that Tyrone men are getting on their high horse complaining about an overly physical appraoch.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 02:17:12 PM
Yellow,
Simple question for you.
Could you rank what YOU think are the most physically imposing counties in Ulster?
Why do you think teams like Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh and Down don't seem to put as much emphasis on this side of the game?
Would they benefit more if they did?
Have Donegal upped the physicality levels on the past three years?
IMHO you're contradicting yourself on this thread as I think you'd love to see Big Sean get a damn good hiding as he deserves but not to get caught doing it and be man down.
It's good to be back down at Armaghs level, just for the banter.
This physical approach put forward by the media is a nonsense, there were a few minor skirmishes broke out in games involving Armagh last year but because they weren't speaking to a load of hacks they were fair game to be attacked by the press. As for your question, well that is a nonsense as Armagh are no more or less physical than any other county, the only difference is we don't go crying like babies when someone starts pushing our players about in melees. You give it and you take it, its not tiddlywinks. How do you even measure physicality, get the first XV to start bench pressing, throw them in a UFC dome and have them wrestle? If there were mass punch ups or physical violence then I'd be the first to condemn it but to the best of my knowledge nobody has got injured from any of these horrible obscene acts of violence that Armagh have pre planned and instigated since last year. Just hyperbole and exaggeration to feed the hysterical parts of the media. Its no coincidence that now that McMenamin and Gormley have retired that Tyrone men are getting on their high horse complaining about an overly physical appraoch.
What a load of shite. grow up
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 02:17:12 PM
Yellow,
Simple question for you.
Could you rank what YOU think are the most physically imposing counties in Ulster?
Why do you think teams like Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh and Down don't seem to put as much emphasis on this side of the game?
Would they benefit more if they did?
Have Donegal upped the physicality levels on the past three years?
IMHO you're contradicting yourself on this thread as I think you'd love to see Big Sean get a damn good hiding as he deserves but not to get caught doing it and be man down.
It's good to be back down at Armaghs level, just for the banter.
This physical approach put forward by the media is a nonsense, there were a few minor skirmishes broke out in games involving Armagh last year but because they weren't speaking to a load of hacks they were fair game to be attacked by the press. As for your question, well that is a nonsense as Armagh are no more or less physical than any other county, the only difference is we don't go crying like babies when someone starts pushing our players about in melees. You give it and you take it, its not tiddlywinks. How do you even measure physicality, get the first XV to start bench pressing, throw them in a UFC dome and have them wrestle? If there were mass punch ups or physical violence then I'd be the first to condemn it but to the best of my knowledge nobody has got injured from any of these horrible obscene acts of violence that Armagh have pre planned and instigated since last year. Just hyperbole and exaggeration to feed the hysterical parts of the media. Its no coincidence that now that McMenamin and Gormley have retired that Tyrone men are getting on their high horse complaining about an overly physical appraoch.
Is this not Armagh's pre-match warm up?
My Da could beat your DA FFS. This Cavanagh v McKeever thing is a joke, i'm sure Sean couldn't give 2 fu*ks who was/is marking him and the same for McKeever.
Armagh have been involved in a few grappling sessions recently but that's all it is and the media blow it up bigger than it actually is. The simple fact is through boards like this and media the Ref's will be out to teach Armagh a lesson and we'll suffer down the road in a big game and lose a player in a tight match which will screw us.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 01:00:08 PM
Saying as the only thing you picked up on was the semantics, then I presume you have no issue with the actual point which is that a bit of physicality in the game should be embraced and not frowned upon in the manner of a pc junkie. Or maybe your just that petty that you have nothing else to contribute.
;D probably like the most of people on here I am not actually sure on the point you are trying to make. But one thing I am sure most people will agree on, you are a clown. Thats my contribution.
Exactly Illdecide so a bit like with Tyrone and the diving, ye have been labeled with it whether ye like it or not.
It doesn't come from nowhere so players like McKeever who can be a match winner on his day, needs to be reeled in and focus on the ball.
My point here though is that yellow card's opinion tends to sum up the Armagh psyche. The game has cleaned up a lot since the 70s but Armagh folk don't seem to get this.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 02:17:12 PM
Yellow,
Simple question for you.
Could you rank what YOU think are the most physically imposing counties in Ulster?
Why do you think teams like Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh and Down don't seem to put as much emphasis on this side of the game?
Would they benefit more if they did?
Have Donegal upped the physicality levels on the past three years?
IMHO you're contradicting yourself on this thread as I think you'd love to see Big Sean get a damn good hiding as he deserves but not to get caught doing it and be man down.
It's good to be back down at Armaghs level, just for the banter.
This physical approach put forward by the media is a nonsense, there were a few minor skirmishes broke out in games involving Armagh last year but because they weren't speaking to a load of hacks they were fair game to be attacked by the press. As for your question, well that is a nonsense as Armagh are no more or less physical than any other county, the only difference is we don't go crying like babies when someone starts pushing our players about in melees. You give it and you take it, its not tiddlywinks. How do you even measure physicality, get the first XV to start bench pressing, throw them in a UFC dome and have them wrestle? If there were mass punch ups or physical violence then I'd be the first to condemn it but to the best of my knowledge nobody has got injured from any of these horrible obscene acts of violence that Armagh have pre planned and instigated since last year. Just hyperbole and exaggeration to feed the hysterical parts of the media. Its no coincidence that now that McMenamin and Gormley have retired that Tyrone men are getting on their high horse complaining about an overly physical appraoch.
1. Don't go crying like babies - wasn't that because there was a self imposed media ban and weren't allowed to cry?
2. Nobody has got injured - What happened Dunne then during the altercation?
Thing is McKeever does have a hard-one for big Sean
Reason being he is useless and big Sean aint so he tries to take Cavanagh out of it using illegal methods. Is as simple as that
What's unfortunate is that if Sean was using his rules of engagement he would take the head of him, he's a wee tub of lard FFS.
But the thing is McKeever's rules of engagement are illegal and he should be punished accordingly, in the match earlier this month it was a scuffle between Findon and Cavnagh that was over until McKeever arrived and all hell broke loose.
He rightly got a red and long may it continue for his behaviour
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 20, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
Thing is McKeever does have a hard-one for big Sean
Reason being he is useless and big Sean aint so he tries to take Cavanagh out of it using illegal methods. Is as simple as that
What's unfortunate is that if Sean was using his rules of engagement he would take the head of him, he's a wee tub of lard FFS.
But the thing is McKeever's rules of engagement are illegal and he should be punished accordingly, in the match earlier this month it was a scuffle between Findon and Cavnagh that was over until McKeever arrived and all hell broke loose.
He rightly got a red and long may it continue for his behaviour
Hahaha catch yourself on!!
omaghjoe...has it gotten to the stage where you actually want to argue about who would win in a fight?! Playground stuff pal. Grow up.
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 20, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
omaghjoe...has it gotten to the stage where you actually want to argue about who would win in a fight?! Playground stuff pal. Grow up.
Hmmm....I seem to remember someone's repsone to cheap shots as
"If you want to box we'll box"
I was only offering the perspective of your messiah. ;D
But your right its not relevant in this case as neither want to box. Sean wants to play football and the bar stool hardman wants to try and take him out of it when he's vulnerable
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 03:58:37 PM
Exactly Illdecide so a bit like with Tyrone and the diving, ye have been labeled with it whether ye like it or not.
except in the truth of the labelling, Tyrone did dive.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 20, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 20, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
omaghjoe...has it gotten to the stage where you actually want to argue about who would win in a fight?! Playground stuff pal. Grow up.
Hmmm....I seem to remember someone's repsone to cheap shots as
"If you want to box we'll box"
I was only offering the perspective of your messiah. ;D
But your right its not relevant in this case as neither want to box. Sean wants to play football and the bar stool hardman wants to try and take him out of it when he's vulnerable
So you're now saying you want to box as opposed to playing football? Sure you're sorted either way considering big Sean would carry the head off any poor soul who tries to take him on...
On the "let's box" issue...I'm sure more than a few Tyrone people would have preferred that attitude when Philip Jordan was clothes lined during the previous IR test.
And vulnerable....hardly! It's not like he dropped a cowardly knee on him when cavanagh was on the ground...
Quote from: Muzz on January 20, 2015, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 20, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 02:17:12 PM
Yellow,
Simple question for you.
Could you rank what YOU think are the most physically imposing counties in Ulster?
Why do you think teams like Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh and Down don't seem to put as much emphasis on this side of the game?
Would they benefit more if they did?
Have Donegal upped the physicality levels on the past three years?
IMHO you're contradicting yourself on this thread as I think you'd love to see Big Sean get a damn good hiding as he deserves but not to get caught doing it and be man down.
It's good to be back down at Armaghs level, just for the banter.
This physical approach put forward by the media is a nonsense, there were a few minor skirmishes broke out in games involving Armagh last year but because they weren't speaking to a load of hacks they were fair game to be attacked by the press. As for your question, well that is a nonsense as Armagh are no more or less physical than any other county, the only difference is we don't go crying like babies when someone starts pushing our players about in melees. You give it and you take it, its not tiddlywinks. How do you even measure physicality, get the first XV to start bench pressing, throw them in a UFC dome and have them wrestle? If there were mass punch ups or physical violence then I'd be the first to condemn it but to the best of my knowledge nobody has got injured from any of these horrible obscene acts of violence that Armagh have pre planned and instigated since last year. Just hyperbole and exaggeration to feed the hysterical parts of the media. Its no coincidence that now that McMenamin and Gormley have retired that Tyrone men are getting on their high horse complaining about an overly physical appraoch.
1. Don't go crying like babies - wasn't that because there was a self imposed media ban and weren't allowed to cry?
2. Nobody has got injured - What happened Dunne then during the altercation?
Without wanting to get involved in all this crap - it is only a McKenna Cup match - I feel it is important to point out that Martin Dunne injured himself punching Jamie Clarke. He got a ban for his troubles.
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 20, 2015, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 20, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 20, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
omaghjoe...has it gotten to the stage where you actually want to argue about who would win in a fight?! Playground stuff pal. Grow up.
Hmmm....I seem to remember someone's repsone to cheap shots as
"If you want to box we'll box"
I was only offering the perspective of your messiah. ;D
But your right its not relevant in this case as neither want to box. Sean wants to play football and the bar stool hardman wants to try and take him out of it when he's vulnerable
So you're now saying you want to box as opposed to playing football?
No I am not saying that. Have a read of my post, I clearly stated that I was only offering your Messiah's perspective
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Sure you're sorted either way considering big Sean would carry the head off any poor soul who tries to take him on...
Considering Sean can play football and is usually the most talented player on the pitch he his more useful on the field, I don't think he is likely to do this.
Considering McKeever cant play football his most useful function is taking other players out I think he is most likely to continue in this vain
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On the "let's box" issue...I'm sure more than a few Tyrone people would have preferred that attitude when Philip Jordan was clothes lined during the previous IR test.
NO we would have preferred for the Aussies to play within the rules TBH
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And vulnerable....hardly! It's not like he dropped a cowardly knee on him when cavanagh was on the ground...
I count running full tilt and smashing an elbow into someones face when they cant see you coming as being fairly vulnerable. Maybe you don't that's fine everyone's perspective is skewed after a few buckies
Heard Cavanagh is taking bets on what minute he'll get McKeever sent off. New sport.
(http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/86912440/dont_poke_the_bear_boxer_shorts.jpg?height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true)
Yeah lettuce do a fiver sweepstake.
I'll go for 29th min
Oh sorry that's right
McGeeney won't play his best team for this tin cup game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 20, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
Yeah lettuce do a fiver sweepstake.
I'll go for 29th min
Oh sorry that's right
McGeeney won't play his best team for this tin cup game.
Nah ye'll be alright.
Armagh's best team will hardly include McKeever ;)
Some nonsense from a few Armagh fans in recent weeks. The stuff about cavanagh being intimidated by mckeever is ridiculous.
Cavanagh goes out on the field to play football, that's what he's there for. Over the years he has taken every challenge that comes at him and played away being one of the most influential players. You'll also see him putting in plenty of big hits of his own. He has no problem going for 50 50 hits and can compete with the best in them. Ask Francie bellew or flick on the 05 semi and see it yourself if you doubt his physicality.
He tries to avoid fusty cuffs and wrestling matches as it'll do him and his team no good. Some people try to make that out to be yellow or soft, whereas in reality he just has a bit of sense.
I am expecting quite a physical game tomorrow night. Armagh are adopting quite a physical approach and tyrone are out to prove they won't lie down to it. No matter what anyone says on here both teams will be trying to win it. Should be good entertainment for January.
Strange enough tyrone team named. Wasn't sure if Conal McCann was still involved so interesting to see him named midfield. Mattie donnelly at 6, really think he's needed in the forwards this year. 3 clonoe men starting, Harte must be coming round to them.
There haas been a couple of things i have decried big Sean for over the years for things like:
Fielding ability- very mediocre
Tracking Back - improved at this over the years
Apathy - Some games he seemed like he just didn't care, althought in big games he never went missing.
Being yella was never one of them he took on big men fairly and squarely and frequently came out on top
Then McKeever blindsides him during a scuffle and suddenly Cavanagh is seen a chicken... WTF
McKeever never goes near big Sean during normal play as he knows he will either get floored or end up chasing shadows.
People on here have been going on about Tyrone taking this more seriously and putting out stronger teams. Tomorrow night I think 8 of the tyrone team have yet to start a senior championship match. Looking at the Armagh team I think 12 or 13 would have started championship games.
With home advantage and experienced team out they are a good price but would still be hopeful of a tyrone win.
What's the story regarding tickets for tomorrow? Do you have to buy them from Supervalu or can you pay at the gate?
I think Armagh will hammer us. We barely bate them when they had 12 men.
14 man Armagh 5-16
Tyrone 0-10
I know it hardly matters but just out of interest, how come this game is back in Armagh after Tyrone won all their group games and already went to the Athletic Grounds earlier in the competition.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 20, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Some nonsense from a few Armagh fans in recent weeks. The stuff about cavanagh being intimidated by mckeever is ridiculous.
Cavanagh goes out on the field to play football, that's what he's there for. Over the years he has taken every challenge that comes at him and played away being one of the most influential players. You'll also see him putting in plenty of big hits of his own. He has no problem going for 50 50 hits and can compete with the best in them. Ask Francie bellew or flick on the 05 semi and see it yourself if you doubt his physicality.
He tries to avoid fusty cuffs and wrestling matches as it'll do him and his team no good. Some people try to make that out to be yellow or soft, whereas in reality he just has a bit of sense.
I am expecting quite a physical game tomorrow night. Armagh are adopting quite a physical approach and tyrone are out to prove they won't lie down to it. No matter what anyone says on here both teams will be trying to win it. Should be good entertainment for January.
I couldn't agree more about cavanagh...he obviously can take care of himself and I was trying to make this exact point on this thread a week or so ago in the aftermath of the first game. There has also been plenty of nonsense about Armagh engineering fights in order to gain an advantage over the last year.
While I don't read every post on this I haven't seen too many Armagh fans claiming that McKeever can intimidate cavanagh. Bottom line is though that you can always expect your top players to receive a bit of treatment. I don't know many fans who don't like seeing their own players give a few borderline hits on opposition players also.
When I read crap like "cavanagh would carry the head off McKeever"...well I just hope the lad is on the wind up because that's just embarrassing for him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 20, 2015, 10:39:33 PM
I know it hardly matters but just out of interest, how come this game is back in Armagh after Tyrone won all their group games and already went to the Athletic Grounds earlier in the competition.
Armagh won the toss. As did Cavan.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 20, 2015, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 20, 2015, 10:39:33 PM
I know it hardly matters but just out of interest, how come this game is back in Armagh after Tyrone won all their group games and already went to the Athletic Grounds earlier in the competition.
Armagh won the toss. As did Cavan.
Fair enough. Cheers
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 20, 2015, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 20, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Some nonsense from a few Armagh fans in recent weeks. The stuff about cavanagh being intimidated by mckeever is ridiculous.
Cavanagh goes out on the field to play football, that's what he's there for. Over the years he has taken every challenge that comes at him and played away being one of the most influential players. You'll also see him putting in plenty of big hits of his own. He has no problem going for 50 50 hits and can compete with the best in them. Ask Francie bellew or flick on the 05 semi and see it yourself if you doubt his physicality.
He tries to avoid fusty cuffs and wrestling matches as it'll do him and his team no good. Some people try to make that out to be yellow or soft, whereas in reality he just has a bit of sense.
I am expecting quite a physical game tomorrow night. Armagh are adopting quite a physical approach and tyrone are out to prove they won't lie down to it. No matter what anyone says on here both teams will be trying to win it. Should be good entertainment for January.
I couldn't agree more about cavanagh...he obviously can take care of himself and I was trying to make this exact point on this thread a week or so ago in the aftermath of the first game. There has also been plenty of nonsense about Armagh engineering fights in order to gain an advantage over the last year.
While I don't read every post on this I haven't seen too many Armagh fans claiming that McKeever can intimidate cavanagh. Bottom line is though that you can always expect your top players to receive a bit of treatment. I don't know many fans who don't like seeing their own players give a few borderline hits on opposition players also.
When I read crap like "cavanagh would carry the head off McKeever"...well I just hope the lad is on the wind up because that's just embarrassing for him.
As I said before your were right its relevant as neither party are interesting in boxing
Sean is interesting in playing football and McKeever is interested in trying to take him out of the game by hitting him when he is vulnerable
I was only trying to talk Armagh supporters language. That's how your messiah thinks after all surely he couldn't be wrong could he?
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I was only trying to talk Armagh supporters language.
You need more work on this, maybe go to a summer school.
If Tyrone win tomorrow night final is in Armagh v Cavan/fermanagh
if Cavan win and Armagh win, final is in Breffni, Cavan won toss of coin
If Fermanagh and Armagh win, final is Armagh
Lot of permutations, final on Saturday.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 20, 2015, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: LurganHoop on January 20, 2015, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 20, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Some nonsense from a few Armagh fans in recent weeks. The stuff about cavanagh being intimidated by mckeever is ridiculous.
Cavanagh goes out on the field to play football, that's what he's there for. Over the years he has taken every challenge that comes at him and played away being one of the most influential players. You'll also see him putting in plenty of big hits of his own. He has no problem going for 50 50 hits and can compete with the best in them. Ask Francie bellew or flick on the 05 semi and see it yourself if you doubt his physicality.
He tries to avoid fusty cuffs and wrestling matches as it'll do him and his team no good. Some people try to make that out to be yellow or soft, whereas in reality he just has a bit of sense.
I am expecting quite a physical game tomorrow night. Armagh are adopting quite a physical approach and tyrone are out to prove they won't lie down to it. No matter what anyone says on here both teams will be trying to win it. Should be good entertainment for January.
I couldn't agree more about cavanagh...he obviously can take care of himself and I was trying to make this exact point on this thread a week or so ago in the aftermath of the first game. There has also been plenty of nonsense about Armagh engineering fights in order to gain an advantage over the last year.
While I don't read every post on this I haven't seen too many Armagh fans claiming that McKeever can intimidate cavanagh. Bottom line is though that you can always expect your top players to receive a bit of treatment. I don't know many fans who don't like seeing their own players give a few borderline hits on opposition players also.
When I read crap like "cavanagh would carry the head off McKeever"...well I just hope the lad is on the wind up because that's just embarrassing for him.
As I said before your were right its relevant as neither party are interesting in boxing
Sean is interesting in playing football and McKeever is interested in trying to take him out of the game by hitting him when he is vulnerable
I was only trying to talk Armagh supporters language. That's how your messiah thinks after all surely he couldn't be wrong could he?
Anybody able to make sense of this ramble??
Quote from: armaghniac on January 20, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
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I was only trying to talk Armagh supporters language.
You need more work on this, maybe go to a summer school.
What does that entail:
A fortnight of drinking BUckie in the middle of a Craigavon roundabout
Followed by a week of smuggling cattle around Slieve Gullion keeping while keeping an eye out for Wullie Fraiser
and finished off with a few days stealing rotten apples around Loughgall to sell to gullible whores up in Tyrone
Should do the trick what ye think?
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 20, 2015, 11:23:53 PM
and finished off with a few days stealing rotten apples around Loughgall to sell to gullible whores up in Tyrone
You're going to need a lot of apples.
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 20, 2015, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 20, 2015, 11:23:53 PM
and finished off with a few days stealing rotten apples around Loughgall to sell to gullible whores up in Tyrone
You're going to need a lot of apples.
LOL ye have me there
Speaking of alot of apples, I used to work for a guy who serviced lorries that done a run of apples from Armagh down to Clonmel for Bulmers.
The guy that owned the lorry also done a number spreading lime on fields. So one week the trailers would be full of lime and the next week apples all destined for your cider.
So if your ever wondering where the heart burn is coming from next time ye have a Magners/Bulmers now ye know ;-)
Just curious.
How many of ye would like to see Armagh keep all 15 on 2moro night and go on to win the McKenna cup or would ye rather see a good skelping match with Cavanagh bros decapitated?
Important to think of her readers when posing such questions.
Decapitating the uglier Cavanagh wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. He has some coupon on him.
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 12:16:46 AM
Decapitating the uglier Cavanagh wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. He has some coupon on him.
Ahh come on now even during the worst days between Tyrone and Armagh the head on Malachy O'Rourke was considered outta bounds
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 21, 2015, 12:29:39 AM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 12:16:46 AM
Decapitating the uglier Cavanagh wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. He has some coupon on him.
Ahh come on now even during the worst days between Tyrone and Armagh the head on Malachy O'Rourke was considered outta bounds
Poor oul Malachy, minding his own business managing Monaghan and he gets bought into the Armagh v Tyrone slanging match.
Armagh v Tyrone party tonight in my gaff via Armagh TV linked to TV. I can't believe the McKenna cup has brought such a following for it.
Up Armagh anocht!!!!!
We are doing a sweepstake on the amount of times Cavanagh falls. I'm going for 16, feel confident.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 20, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
Some nonsense from a few Armagh fans in recent weeks. The stuff about cavanagh being intimidated by mckeever is ridiculous.
Cavanagh goes out on the field to play football, that's what he's there for. Over the years he has taken every challenge that comes at him and played away being one of the most influential players. You'll also see him putting in plenty of big hits of his own. He has no problem going for 50 50 hits and can compete with the best in them. Ask Francie bellew or flick on the 05 semi and see it yourself if you doubt his physicality.
He tries to avoid fusty cuffs and wrestling matches as it'll do him and his team no good. Some people try to make that out to be yellow or soft, whereas in reality he just has a bit of sense.
I am expecting quite a physical game tomorrow night. Armagh are adopting quite a physical approach and tyrone are out to prove they won't lie down to it. No matter what anyone says on here both teams will be trying to win it. Should be good entertainment for January.
all this is true and it makes it even more frustrating when he does take a tumble after hardly being touched. Now, this doesnt happen all the time but it does happen.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 21, 2015, 12:04:42 AM
Just curious.
How many of ye would like to see Armagh keep all 15 on 2moro night and go on to win the McKenna cup or would ye rather see a good skelping match with Cavanagh bros decapitated?
Important to think of her readers when posing such questions.
I want to see a good game with neither side taking a backward step. Some big, fair hits, and plenty of good football on display. I want Armagh to win and the game to end with 30 players on the pitch. Most of all, whatever happens I hope we dont see people going crying to the press.
Often the last line in a post shows the poster's true mindset.
So reading between the lines Tonto you expect there to be some controversial incidents that Tyrone MIGHT be complaining about.
See this is the point I am trying to highlight but ye are too blind to see it.
Why can't ye just go out and play football?
Are ye worried your team isn't good enough so you have to bring in this physical stuff.
I think ye have some excellent players and even though I hate the cnut McKeever is a great defender and played well for Int rules team.
It's like most of ye don't even see it yourselves any more. Think ye are the norm and everyone else bar Monaghan are pussies.
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
Armagh TV, do you have to pay for this? Presume so.
St marys game was £3 via Paypal. Great job on a shite night. I'll have to get the arse of the sofa for this one incase there's a Clontibret style invasion by the munchkins.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 21, 2015, 09:04:53 AM
Often the last line in a post shows the poster's true mindset.
So reading between the lines Tonto you expect there to be some controversial incidents that Tyrone MIGHT be complaining about.
See this is the point I am trying to highlight but ye are too blind to see it.
Why can't ye just go out and play football?
Are ye worried your team isn't good enough so you have to bring in this physical stuff.
I think ye have some excellent players and even though I hate the cnut McKeever is a great defender and played well for Int rules team.
It's like most of ye don't even see it yourselves any more. Think ye are the norm and everyone else bar Monaghan are pussies.
Nope. I clearly stated what I want to see happen. Then I added a bit of what I dont want to see. Am I expecting something to happen? It a derby with a lot of history. There has been incidents in the last 2 games so something may happen again, its not illogical to say that is it?
I couldnt care less about everyone else to be honest mate, I only care about Armagh and as I said earlier, I hope we win a good entertaining game of football.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
2 games?? Absolute joke! should have got a few months at least.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
what is it with grown men standing mouthing personal abuse into a mans ear during a match? I would have given McKiernan a minimum 10 game ban, send out a decent message rather than the usual watery bans handed out
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
2 games?? Absolute joke! should have got a few months at least.
I would agree, they need to be seen to be coming down hard on this sort of stuff. It's important so that we can bring the Prods along on our pathway to peace.
This could be one of Armagh TVs greatest audiences, as a significant number of Tyronies will tune in as well as the regular Armagh viewers. The Internet audience will be increased as Wednesday night won't suit everyone to attend, going to Armagh on a workday evening might not be so convenient if you live in Strabane and work in Derry or live in Forkhill and work in Dublin. Rainbow would want their tech guys to ensure a smooth broadcast.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
what is it with grown men standing mouthing personal abuse into a mans ear during a match? I would have given McKiernan a minimum 10 game ban, send out a decent message rather than the usual watery bans handed out
Used to get it all the time about me ma and me sis etc etc. I often found a sharp elbow to the snout stopped it! ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:36:35 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
what is it with grown men standing mouthing personal abuse into a mans ear during a match? I would have given McKiernan a minimum 10 game ban, send out a decent message rather than the usual watery bans handed out
Used to get it all the time about me ma and me sis etc etc. I often found a sharp elbow to the snout stopped it! ;D
I hear you BC1, but its more often than not the person who finally retaliates to this muck gets carded, and not the instigator
Agree with all of the comments above on that Cavan midfielder McKernan. What an absolute idiot sc**bag. He should have got 6 games minimum so the GAA could send out a clear message that this cant be tolerated. He brings the good name of the GAA down so should have received a proper ban!
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:36:35 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
From BBC website.
08:34: Ban for sectarian language: BBC Sport NI Cavan midfielder Gearoid McKiernan has been banned for two games after a referee's report said his red card against Monaghan last Sunday was for using "comments of a sectarian nature".
Just right too.
I take it that was directed to one of the Wylie brothers? They get wile abuse in some games.
what is it with grown men standing mouthing personal abuse into a mans ear during a match? I would have given McKiernan a minimum 10 game ban, send out a decent message rather than the usual watery bans handed out
Used to get it all the time about me ma and me sis etc etc. I often found a sharp elbow to the snout stopped it! ;D
I hear you BC1, but its more often than not the person who finally retaliates to this muck gets carded, and not the instigator
I don't think your ever gona eradicate sledging but sectarian/racist/homophobic abuse should be hit with a hefty suspension. The treatment of young Cunningham from Crossmaglen was a disgrace.
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 19, 2015, 11:38:14 AM
There was no mention of this in any match report or commentary afterwards. How did it get into the stands nearly before the game ended. Farneyman - you are accusing a young man of something and you have no evidence, I suggest you stop now. It could just be someone assumed he said something sectarian. For all you know he could have insulted his mother or his hair style. If something like this genuinely happened Monaghan should report it through the correct channels. Until then you should desist from these accusations.
Agree with the above posters, 2 game ban a bit of a joke, should have sent a stronger message that this kind of abuse wont be tolerated....
mylestheslasher, had plenty to say on the issue earlier this week.......any comment now!?
QuoteI see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
Did the Ulster Council not relax the rule to say that uni players could then play for their county in a semi final or final if the uni team was not involved.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
So what is worse - an elbow to the head/putting a player in a headlock or somebody going down easy?
Throw mckeirnan out for a year. Ulster council bottled this and Farneyman has some pair of ears.
Quote from: phpearse on January 21, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
QuoteI see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
Did the Ulster Council not relax the rule to say that uni players could then play for their county in a semi final or final if the uni team was not involved.
They did but it makes a mockery of the competition that a player is able to compete for 2 different sides in the same competition. Harte is not breaking any rules but maximising them to his sides advantage as they are both among Tyrones best 4 or 5 players.
Apologies if this has already been answered but what did the Cavan fella say?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but what did the Cavan fella say?
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but what did the Cavan fella say?
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
It must not have been two bad if he just got two game ban ?
Quote from: tommysmith on January 21, 2015, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but what did the Cavan fella say?
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
It must not have been two bad if he just got two game ban ?
::)
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
So what is worse - an elbow to the head or putting a player in a headlock or somebody going down easy?
Who mentioned elbows to the head or headlocks and why compare them to theatrical dives which probably occur on average 2 or 3 times per match? I presume you are digging about McKeever headlocking a boy against Cavan last year which was hardly the worst crime in the world given the situation (didn't even warrant a booking). As for the elbows to the head I don't even know what you are talking about here. However one thing for sure, they aren't incidents that crop up a couple of times every match unlike the aforementioned diving.
Quote from: tommysmith on January 21, 2015, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but what did the Cavan fella say?
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
It must not have been two bad if he just got two game ban ?
Didn't Billy Sheehan sing God Save the Queen to McKeever in Portlaoise a few years ago, can't remember what punishment he got?
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
So what is worse - an elbow to the head or putting a player in a headlock or somebody going down easy?
Who mentioned elbows to the head or headlocks and why compare them to theatrical dives which probably occur on average 2 or 3 times per match? I presume you are digging about McKeever headlocking a boy against Cavan last year which was hardly the worst crime in the world given the situation (didn't even warrant a booking). As for the elbows to the head I don't even know what you are talking about here. However one thing for sure, they aren't incidents that crop up a couple of times every match unlike the aforementioned diving.
Between Findon and McKeever there is at least one incident per game. A dive isn't hurting anybody but a headlock or forearm/elbow smash to the face is.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
So what is worse - an elbow to the head or putting a player in a headlock or somebody going down easy?
Who mentioned elbows to the head or headlocks and why compare them to theatrical dives which probably occur on average 2 or 3 times per match? I presume you are digging about McKeever headlocking a boy against Cavan last year which was hardly the worst crime in the world given the situation (didn't even warrant a booking). As for the elbows to the head I don't even know what you are talking about here. However one thing for sure, they aren't incidents that crop up a couple of times every match unlike the aforementioned diving.
Between Findon and McKeever there is at least one incident per game. A dive isn't hurting anybody but a headlock or forearm/elbow smash to the face is.
More hyperbole. A forearm/elbow SMASH to the face sounds horribly dramatic but to the best of my knowledge there is not at least one incident per game of either of these violent acts. A dive isn't hurting anybody but it is blatant cheating and is hurting the opponent on the scoreboard when the offender gets away with it.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
Throw mckeirnan out for a year. Ulster council bottled this and Farneyman has some pair of ears.
What a Bollix.
That sort of crap has no place in sport. While I would not like to see him out for a year (being selfish and self serving), 2 games is very short. They seem to have applied the letter of the law without taking into account how reprehensible the act was.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 21, 2015, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 21, 2015, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been answered but what did the Cavan fella say?
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
It must not have been two bad if he just got two game ban ?
Didn't Billy Sheehan sing God Save the Queen to McKeever in Portlaoise a few years ago, can't remember what punishment he got?
He did well to know the words.
Pretty stupid by McKiernan, there's not much that Monaghan and Cavan lads wouldn't say to each other during a match, on or off the field, but even if you weren't offended by the sentiment you'd surely have to be struck by the brainlessness of it.
I hope it was an out-of-character thing and this doesn't follow the lad around, because McKiernan is a fine player with a great future. There may have been a bit of provocation beforehand as well given the match reports and red card tally - still doesn't excuse it though, in this day and age.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: phpearse on January 21, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
QuoteI see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
Did the Ulster Council not relax the rule to say that uni players could then play for their county in a semi final or final if the uni team was not involved.
They did but it makes a mockery of the competition that a player is able to compete for 2 different sides in the same competition. Harte is not breaking any rules but maximising them to his sides advantage as they are both among Tyrones best 4 or 5 players.
To be fair I think it's a good compromise as long as Uni's are still involved. Once the University is out there's no benefit to restricting the players from the county teams. Remember this is just a preparation for the League and just means slightly more competitive games than normal friendly's. I don't think anyone will be gutted about losing the McKenna cup nor will they be celebrating the winning of it. I'm sure the players are happy enough to get a few county games as well.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
So what is worse - an elbow to the head or putting a player in a headlock or somebody going down easy?
Who mentioned elbows to the head or headlocks and why compare them to theatrical dives which probably occur on average 2 or 3 times per match? I presume you are digging about McKeever headlocking a boy against Cavan last year which was hardly the worst crime in the world given the situation (didn't even warrant a booking). As for the elbows to the head I don't even know what you are talking about here. However one thing for sure, they aren't incidents that crop up a couple of times every match unlike the aforementioned diving.
Between Findon and McKeever there is at least one incident per game. A dive isn't hurting anybody but a headlock or forearm/elbow smash to the face is.
just the game.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 10:59:25 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 21, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
So what is worse - an elbow to the head or putting a player in a headlock or somebody going down easy?
Who mentioned elbows to the head or headlocks and why compare them to theatrical dives which probably occur on average 2 or 3 times per match? I presume you are digging about McKeever headlocking a boy against Cavan last year which was hardly the worst crime in the world given the situation (didn't even warrant a booking). As for the elbows to the head I don't even know what you are talking about here. However one thing for sure, they aren't incidents that crop up a couple of times every match unlike the aforementioned diving.
Between Findon and McKeever there is at least one incident per game. A dive isn't hurting anybody but a headlock or forearm/elbow smash to the face is.
just the game.
And possibly the result. A trophy. An AI title even. I can understand players having a go at each other or a few shoves, pushes etc in pressurised games. But there's absolutely no excuse for diving.
A dive hurts the game but lets not try and say a illegal hit doesn't either. People going of injured affects the game. People being taken out of the game affects the game. Cut them all out and don't get caught up on one over the other.
We might even be treated to a rugby tackle.
While I'm not fussed on who wins, I'm glad Mcgeeney has an extra game to try some more players. Don't care who wins, it will soon be forgotten about.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
Any sectarian language needs a huge ban. No matter what was said.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 12:29:10 PM
Any sectarian language needs a huge ban. No matter what was said.
Correct, It says on the bbc website that the Ulster Council are issuing a statement today.
Quote from: Feckitt on January 21, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 12:29:10 PM
Any sectarian language needs a huge ban. No matter what was said.
Correct, It says on the bbc website that the Ulster Council are issuing a statement today.
Ulster Council: Sorry folks, we wimped out laying down yet another marker. The aggressor will be free to play the majority of the league and all championship matches. As you were.....
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
As I said last night its obvious Armagh are taking the game more serious. They've named 12 or 13 players who have started championship games, Tyrone on the other hand are at around 6 or 7. Will be no disgrace losing this one but wouldn't be surprised if the new boys can pull out a result. I think Yellow has missed the fact that Aiden Forker from St Marys has been named in the Armagh squad this evening too.
Very heavy Fog in Armagh atm
There'll be some off the ball stuff in the fog ;D
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 21, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
As I said last night its obvious Armagh are taking the game more serious. They've named 12 or 13 players who have started championship games, Tyrone on the other hand are at around 6 or 7. Will be no disgrace losing this one but wouldn't be surprised if the new boys can pull out a result. I think Yellow has missed the fact that Aiden Forker from St Marys has been named in the Armagh squad this evening too.
No I haven't, 'squad' being the important word.
13 changes from the last McKenna cup game.
Harte's focus will be on later competitions and preparing for those. Not for the McKenna Cup itself. Much the same as most other managers. A win gets him another competitive game and builds up momentum. I'd say Geezer will be looking for the exact same thing.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Very heavy Fog in Armagh atm
But we'll still be able to smell the Tyrone fans :(
Down wind with this sort of thing!
Quote from: Orior on January 21, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Very heavy Fog in Armagh atm
But we'll still be able to smell the Tyrone fans :(
Down wind with this sort of thing!
could fog and Lynx Africa combust?
That,combined with laundered diesel could be a lethal concoction.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
Sorry, just let me get this straight - you are criticising Mickey Harte for naming a strong team and trying to win a game?
This is an odd criticism but coming from a county where the senior championship descends into the farce of a team lining out oul fellas in jeans, talking on their mobile phones, then its hardly surprising.
Armagh shortened from 11/8 to Evs in the space of an hour.
Quote from: our_fella on January 21, 2015, 02:58:15 PM
Armagh shortened from 11/8 to Evs in the space of an hour.
Must be the fog.
Tyrone will win this handy enough.
6/5 are great odds for a Mickey Harte managed team to win a McKenna cup match. I'm on it anyway.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 21, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
Sorry, just let me get this straight - you are criticising Mickey Harte for naming a strong team and trying to win a game?
This is an odd criticism but coming from a county where the senior championship descends into the farce of a team lining out oul fellas in jeans, talking on their mobile phones, then its hardly surprising.
Sorry - but where is the criticism? A tad paranoid there lad
There's a sneering criticism that Mickey always picks a strong team in the McKenna cup. You Armagh lads are like Comical Ali - just deny everything!
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 21, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
Sorry, just let me get this straight - you are criticising Mickey Harte for naming a strong team and trying to win a game?
This is an odd criticism but coming from a county where the senior championship descends into the farce of a team lining out oul fellas in jeans, talking on their mobile phones, then its hardly surprising.
I've criticised the ruling that allows players play for 2 different teams in the same competition. I specifically stated that I had no issue with Harte starting them. It also shows how serious he is taking the game that he wants to get a look at established players who he knows very well. What that has got do with owl fellas lining out in a club championship game is beyond me. Totally irrelevant.
What are the teams?
Firstly do you not think that Geezer is trying to win this game? Surely he is taking it ever bit as serious as Harte considering the team he's named (10+ with Championship experience)
Trying to claim Harte takes it more seriously looks a tad like getting excuses in early in case of a loss considering the team selections.
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 03:29:36 PM
What are the teams?
Armagh
1. Philip McEvoy
2. Mark McConville
3. Brendan Donaghy
4. Michael Murray
5. Mark Shields
6. Finnian Moriarty
7. Ciaran McKeever
8. Aaron Findon
9. Stefan Campbell
10. Stefan Forker
11. Miceal McKenna
12. Eugene McVerry
13. Tony Kernan
14. Jamie Clarke
15. Caolan Rafferty
Tyrone
1 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 – Dwayne Quinn – Cluain Eo
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
5 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
6 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
10 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
12 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
13 – Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
14 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
15 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 21, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
Sorry, just let me get this straight - you are criticising Mickey Harte for naming a strong team and trying to win a game?
This is an odd criticism but coming from a county where the senior championship descends into the farce of a team lining out oul fellas in jeans, talking on their mobile phones, then its hardly surprising.
Yes, because all Armagh senior club teams line out in their jeans ::)
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on January 21, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 12:29:10 PM
Any sectarian language needs a huge ban. No matter what was said.
Correct, It says on the bbc website that the Ulster Council are issuing a statement today.
Ulster Council: Sorry folks, we wimped out laying down yet another marker. The aggressor will be free to play the majority of the league and all championship matches. As you were.....
Its bad form of McKiernan to have done it, as someone said before its a brainless act. But lets not get too carried away. To ban him for a year like some have suggested is a bit much but two games seems leniant. What is the rule on this?
How long of a ban did Wylie get for nearly decapatating Martin Reilly? If he only gets two games will it be the Ulster council wimpining out, failing to lay down a marker, as you were?
Yellowcard, can I challenge you to say one positive thing about Tyrone
You can just tell all the Armagh fans aren't really focusing on the season ahead or winning this cup.
They just see this as another excuse for a scrap. Ye are gas men altogether.
I'm glad to see big Sean at FF again. Is this game on live Armagh TV or just radio?
I must email Off the Ball and ask Woolie and go to discuss it a bit tonight.
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What is that next to Sean's left thigh? OMG NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 03:33:14 PM
Firstly do you not think that Geezer is trying to win this game? Surely he is taking it ever bit as serious as Harte considering the team he's named (10+ with Championship experience)
Trying to claim Harte takes it more seriously looks a tad like getting excuses in early in case of a loss considering the team selections.
A truer gauge as to how close both sides are to full strength will become more evident when the first league game starts. I'd say Armagh have about 5 or 6 to come into that side before they are considered to be at full strength, can't speak for Tyrone. McGeeney will want to win this game but I don't think he will lose much sleep if they don't and the performance is decent. I'm not getting any excuses in early as I actually think Armagh will win this game, had they kept the full quota on the last day they would have won it as well.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 21, 2015, 04:04:54 PM
Yellowcard, can I challenge you to say one positive thing about Tyrone
You can just tell all the Armagh fans aren't really focusing on the season ahead or winning this cup.
They just see this as another excuse for a scrap. Ye are gas men altogether.
I'm glad to see big Sean at FF again. Is this game on live Armagh TV or just radio?
I must email Off the Ball and ask Woolie and go to discuss it a bit tonight.
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I'm nearly sure its live on Armagh tv, a good way of getting much needed training funds for the senior team off Tyrone fans. Think they charge you a couple of pound if youse can stomach it. However the Armagh camera man has been warned that if there are any rows then the camera will mysteriously malfunction.
Tyrone would have the same numbers to come in I would imagine (Possibly more). So therefore both managers are picking relatively the same strength squad. Which would suggest they value it at the same level. Which was the point I was making to begin with.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 21, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 21, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 12:28:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 21, 2015, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
Sorry, just let me get this straight - you are criticising Mickey Harte for naming a strong team and trying to win a game?
This is an odd criticism but coming from a county where the senior championship descends into the farce of a team lining out oul fellas in jeans, talking on their mobile phones, then its hardly surprising.
Yes, because all Armagh senior club teams line out in their jeans ::)
It just takes one! It must be the attitude in Armagh - don't field a team that looks like you are trying to win competitions or you get ridiculed and sneered at? That would explain the senior championship in Armagh actually!
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 21, 2015, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 03:29:36 PM
What are the teams?
Tyrone
1 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
2 – Dwayne Dibbley – Dwarf Dearg
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
5 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
6 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
10 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
11 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh
12 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
13 – Shay McGuigan – Ard Bó
14 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
15 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
when did this guy get a call up?
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Enjoy the game lads
I'll be tuned into Off the ball on Newstalk from 7pm and Armagh TV after 8
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 21, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
Enjoy the game lads
I'll be tuned into Off the ball on Newstalk from 7pm and Armagh TV after 8
Is there a game on? Damn it I thought it was all in wrestling! ;)
Can you pause Armagh tv and continue watching it at a slightly later time? Considering getting it this evening but need to nip out for half an hour at half 8.
Has anyone used armagh tv on a tablet before?
I'm logged in at the moment but when I hit play I just get a 2 second clip. Is everyone else getting that?
My Armagh TV has frozen. Do I shut the windy or what
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
My Armagh TV has frozen. Do I shut the windy or what
Same here. Database error - reboot needed in Armagh
Mine has frozen as well! Wouldn't close the browser in case you have to pay again.
Mine has frozen. I think Sean Cavanagh maybe has dived on the camera and broke it
Back in action :) looking forward to this!
We're back up and running!! Ciaran mckeever has picked it back up!!!
Database error - get the feeling their servers are overloaded.
I still cannot get in
I'm in Liverpool. I get it ok
Can't get in. Website has crashed.
Serious crowd for midweek night.
took my money but can't get in
Feck sake. She crashed.
Quote from: Old yeller on January 21, 2015, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on January 21, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 12:29:10 PM
Any sectarian language needs a huge ban. No matter what was said.
Correct, It says on the bbc website that the Ulster Council are issuing a statement today.
Ulster Council: Sorry folks, we wimped out laying down yet another marker. The aggressor will be free to play the majority of the league and all championship matches. As you were.....
Its bad form of McKiernan to have done it, as someone said before its a brainless act. But lets not get too carried away. To ban him for a year like some have suggested is a bit much but two games seems leniant. What is the rule on this?
How long of a ban did Wylie get for nearly decapatating Martin Reilly? If he only gets two games will it be the Ulster council wimpining out, failing to lay down a marker, as you were?
I didn't see the game or the tackle you're referring to, but if you don't see the difference between that and putting down a marker for sectarian abuse, there's no hope. This has absolutely no place in the game and the punishment needs to be appropriate to send out that message.
BTW, apparently the 2 match ban only relates to the current competition, so no impact on the league, and if Cavan were to lose their next game, it's only a one-match ban.
Worth noting McKiernan has the option to seek a hearing on this.
would somebody from Armagh TV throw another 50p into the meter !
Gonna have to rely on twitter feeds
1-01 to no score. Hon Tyrone!
FFS
Still getting it grand here
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
FFS
FFS at the score or the fact Armagh TV has shat itself?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 08:05:00 PM
would somebody from Armagh TV throw another 50p into the meter !
its not just me then is it?
Tyrone 1-2 to 0-1 ahead. McKeever not booked.
15 mins gone........ Colm Cavanagh still a hateful hoor
Armagh TV doing middling, not so much the Armagh team.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 21, 2015, 08:16:56 PM
Armagh TV doing middling, not so much the Armagh team.
Jamie Clarke in nets?
7500 people.
f**k me!! Instant replays and everything!!!!
Any radio feed?
Armagh Tv working fine in London. Tyrone 1-02 Armagh 0-01. The goal came from Philip McEvoy kicking straight to a Tyrone man.
Attendance is just over 7,500.
no joy in Manchester and even teamtalkmag is down - relying on paddy power for scores
The whole thing has cowped. I want my 3 quid back!
First dive from Cavanagh of the night
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 21, 2015, 08:20:05 PM
Any radio feed?
Supposed to be on Teamtalk but I'm not getting that or Armagh TV :(
I assume a fair few refunds will be paid out tomorrow.
Is Tyrone playing with the fog in the first half?
Yeeeha...2-03 to 0-01. Our reserves are on form tonight!
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
FFS
FFS at the score or the fact Armagh TV has shat itself?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
FFS
FFS at the score or the fact Armagh TV has shat itself?
Down in Florida, paid via paypal for the privilege of watching the game, built the day around it and the f**king site crashes!!!!!
Disappointed but sure at least I dont have to watch the dirge that these two teams produce on a regular basis I suppose!
Sounds like the munchers are suffering a bit of a humiliation at home??
Robbin Armagh bastids
Goal for Armagh. Think it was diarmuid marsden or ger Reid who got it
So PJ Lavery got the goal I see
https://mobile.twitter.com/TyroneGAALive (https://mobile.twitter.com/TyroneGAALive)
Was it any good?
I hope we don't hammer them as the crying will start here and the Armagh players will resort to default instinct.
Oops for God sake Shea
That's a bit better, Campbell playing well. Armagh generally playing in bits and then giving the ball away.
Quote from: stew on January 21, 2015, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
FFS
FFS at the score or the fact Armagh TV has shat itself?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 21, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
FFS
FFS at the score or the fact Armagh TV has shat itself?
Down in Florida, paid via paypal for the privilege of watching the game, built the day around it and the f**king site crashes!!!!!
Disappointed but sure at least I dont have to watch the dirge that these two teams produce on a regular basis I suppose!
If its sympathy yer looking....?!
McEvoy at fault for both Tyrone goals. 2nd goal was straight down the middle, should never have been beaten.
Campbell got the goal for Armagh.
Tyrone 2-04
Armagh 1-02
Fault for three goals!!
Poor aul McKeever can't find Sean in the fog.
3 goals conceeded in the first half, time to take a corner forward off. Tyrone read hot favourites for Sam at this stage.
3-05 to 1-04 HT. Clean the wing mirrors lads, these Armagh boys will come out boxin' in the 2nd half.
Not sure about a 4th Sam this year Orange but the thought of 6000 odd Armagh fans paying into the Athletic Grounds on a freezing Jan night to watch a first half stuffing by Tyrone will do me for now!! :)
At least McEvoy shouldn't be there come summer time that's one plus, Tyrone haven't been great but Armagh woeful, Niall Mc Conville giving the ball away every time he gets it. Maybe its the camera angle on Armagh TV but Armagh seemed to be trying the walk the ball in.
got back in they're looking another £3 !
Armagh TV working grand.
Armagh not working grand. Horrible performance. Sluggish all over the field, with the exception of Campbell. Shite passing. Clueless in the opposition half. Defence a mess. Goalie having a complete nightmare.
Tyrone shooting fairly shite too, should be further ahead. Sean Cavanagh is excellent, though.
McGeeney would want to be going through a few of those lads at HT.
Back on!
Quote from: JP on January 21, 2015, 08:33:27 PM
McEvoy at fault for both Tyrone goals. 2nd goal was straight down the middle, should never have been beaten.
Campbell got the goal for Armagh.
Tyrone 2-04
Armagh 1-02
Sweet jeez mcavoy.. Was mcgeeney not at the donegal game.. Hes NOT a goalkeeper
Is this the same diving cheating overrated Sean that Armagh lads complain about all the time?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 21, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
Is this the same diving cheating overrated Sean that Armagh lads complain about all the time?
Let it go seriously, its not like every Armagh supporter says this.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 21, 2015, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 21, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
Is this the same diving cheating overrated Sean that Armagh lads complain about all the time?
Let it go seriously, its not like every Armagh supporter says this.
Yer 100% correct....... A few derry WANs say that too
Feckit anyway. Paid the three pound and now the streaming screen is not working. Anyone else having problems?
Yes, the Armagh back line :)
There looking after us on the mainland here. Great picture.
Armagh are fucked in div 3 this year
9 points up and Sean Cavanagh trips himself up to win a free! I have no hesitation in saying he is a quality player! but the diving element to his game is sickening.
Was that mcgeeney running onto the pitch berating the referee?
He definitely isn't bothered about this game................... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: JP on January 21, 2015, 09:08:09 PM
9 points up and Sean Cavanagh trips himself up to win a free! I have no hesitation in saying he is a quality player! but the diving element to his game is sickening.
Yous Armagh ones are deadly craic :D
Double wrestling sessions for the Armagh team every night next week.....
How does the Armagh number 6 get a game? Is he related to the manager?
Got her on the 2nd half. £6 for the privilege though. Cameraman needs to step back a bit ;-)
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 21, 2015, 09:13:01 PM
Double wrestling sessions for the Armagh team every night next week.....
:D
Ha Ha Ha.................well done Skeet.
Unlucky Ciaran ya thug! Back and play some club football......... :-X :-X :-X
Clean push!
McAliskey making a dick out of McKeever.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 21, 2015, 09:15:12 PM
How does the Armagh number 6 get a game? Is he related to the manager?
No. Related to his da; who was a fine footballer
Quote from: ONeill on January 21, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
McAliskey making a dick out of McKeever.
Not overly hard in fairness
Mine the time he decided to sit down for SON, nearly felt pity for him that day
Does Mickey Harte speak to Armagh TV or does he boycot them too?
Quote from: theticklemister on January 21, 2015, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 21, 2015, 09:15:12 PM
How does the Armagh number 6 get a game? Is he related to the manager?
No. Related to his da; who was a fine footballer
Any chance of him getting a run at CHF back?
Have the Armagh fans started singing "You'll never walk Alone" yet??
A bit like inscribing the name on the claret jug I think the printer can safely start running off those 4 in a row t shirts for Tyrone at this stage. Reminiscent of the great victory they had in Omagh 12 months ago.
Yes, I think both Armagh and Tyrone have a similar start to 2014 and probably similar seasons throughout.
Except Armagh are still in division 3.....
Has there been no rows yet?
Will we see one soon?
Disgraceful how serious Tyrone are taking this game.
Surely they must know at this stage it's bad luck for later in the year if they win this particular game.
I might as well forget Sam and book a Sept holiday now.
Cavanagh truly is a disgrace and Brolly was right. He's not worthy to be called a man for his constant cheating and pretending to be a great player. Think of the children Sean and how they will do all that scoring and then dive like a Canavan.
I think I'll start to support the Dubs instead.
And Tyrone actually won something in 2014 or do you get prizes for being beat in quarter finals now?
I'm getting sick of the way Mickey sends his teams out to win games. It's just not on, he's ruining this competition!
well it looks like we know why Armagh were looking boxing the 1st night, they weren't going to cut it with Tyrone in the football stakes, a run in division 3 ain't going to help them come the summer time! Tyrone the nite probably be the strongest team they come up against to the championship
They will writing songs in 20 years about this great Tyrone team if they win 4 in a row.
11pts. well suspose it aint the 15pt tanking of last year (Sorry 8pts, still a handy gap)
Tyrone to win the McKenna cup, has such a team ever been seen?
Quote11pts. well suspose it aint the 15pt tanking of last year
True but there weren't 6000 Armagh fans crammed in to see it last year!!! :d
Quote from: armaghniac on January 21, 2015, 09:42:08 PM
Tyrone to win the McKenna cup, has such a team ever been seen?
Never mind that, Im just surprised you aren't giving out about the game being behind a paywall. I heard there was an old fella in Galway who wanted to watch the game but didn't have a credit card.
Where was Jamie playing tonight?
For alot of Armagh men going to play down the game now, you were biting to get at them since sunday, some change in 24hrs
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2015, 09:41:57 PM
11pts. well suspose it aint the 15pt tanking of last year
8 points you goon!
Armagh playing the long con again. Worked well last year. See yiz in June.
Poor stuff, left 15 minutes early to beat the traffic. Not a strong Armagh team but still poor stuff, the areas where we were getting destroyed in were so glaringly obvious the fact that no changes were made, leads me to think Geezer had a let them sink or swim attitude, that or we have a very middling manager.
Will the penny finally drop that McEvoy is the worst county goalie in the land? Disappointed that Paddy Morrison didn't get a proper run out in nets.
Few positives - Campbell & Findon were good in MF yet C Cavanagh was excellent and we were cleaned out in breaking ball. It was the first time i saw miceal mckenna play, decent, wanted too much time on the ball tho but 2 nice points, Ciaran ohanlon got a lovely point & i'd be hopeful about him.
Tyrone wanted it more & it looked like a Div 1 team v a Div 3 team.
Tickleman I suppose that's your fun over now til the league game in Omagh.
Some of the Armagh ones on here are embarrassing to listen to but at least they are defending their own team.
Compare yourself to Bennydorano above and he might actually learn to say something worthwhile the odd time.
Armagh very poor tonight. No intensity at all. Major passing errors, poor shot selection and no team work. Tyrone really looked as if they wanted it more. On saying that the game was up early on so this may have had a bearing. McAvoy made a major error early on which set Tyrone on the road. Feel sorry for the fella. He looks as if his confidence is completely shot.
For Armagh I thought only Shields, Campbell and McKenna of the starters played well. Donaghy was closest to them. Tony Kernan had a nightmare. Better now than June. Also hope the experiment of playing Jamie in defence is over.
For Tyrone I felt they worked well as a team and the keeper had an excellent game. Colm Cavanagh is improving greatly. Not sure how they will fair against the better teams though should have enough to stay in top division.
With all the discussion of physical play the only rough stuff was between Big Sean and his brother in law at the end. Could do without the mouthing from one player in particular though.
Finally, the GAA need better referees. Tonight he made one great call on a penalty but missed an absolute blatant one in the second. He was inconsistent with his interpretation of the advantage rule. He also booked a Tyrone player for very little but not another for a dangerously high tackle. Luckily he had no influence on the result tonight - unlike the club final. Consistency is all I ask.
We need a quick thinking CHF who can spray passes to the forwards. Everything was off the cuff tonight and no sense of a plan.
McKenna has been decent for Armagh, perhaps we should get a Maguire for the summer campaign. O'Hanlon justified having another look at him.
Plenty of room for improvement for Armagh. Have Tyrone peaked in January for a second year in a row?
Any day ye bate Armagh is a good day, in any sport.
Good luck against Tipperary next time out. I think ye'll have enough to beat them.
Tyrone fans feeling smug and self satisfied tonight after a vintage performance. I'm content in the knowledge that McGeeney wasn't too bothered with the result. McKeever didn't slam or smash anyone tonight, however Cavanagh was up to his usual swan lake impressions.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
Tyrone fans feeling smug and self satisfied tonight after a vintage performance. I'm content in the knowledge that McGeeney wasn't too bothered with the result. McKeever didn't slam or smash anyone tonight, however Cavanagh was up to his usual swan lake impressions.
A serious question here, who will Armagh have back on board for the championship, that wasn't there tonight?
Likely candidates that i can think of-
A goalie
Andy Mallon
Vernon
James Morgan
Kieran Toner (days r numbered tbh)
Stephen Harald(meh)
Caolan Rafferty
Gavin McParland
Ethan Rafferty
Tyrone were probably missing more starters. Never read too much into these games but it's always nice to beat armagh and even better in armagh. Was happy with some of the unproven players tonight. Hughes McCann and lavery all had decent games. Keeper did well again too.
Hopefully tyrone can up it further for the national league and pick up good few points early on. Very tough division 1 again this year.
Tyrone missing Morgan, mcrory, mccarron, mcnabb, justy, joe, Clark (if fit) and McCurry. I'd say at least 5 or 6 of them will start. Didn't count coney but couldn't rule him out starting either.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 21, 2015, 11:13:47 PM
Likely candidates that i can think of-
A goalie
Andy Mallon
Vernon
James Morgan
Kieran Toner (days r numbered tbh)
Stephen Harald(meh)
Caolan Rafferty
Gavin McParland
Ethan Rafferty
You missed Dyas. Hopefully Murnin, Declan McKenna and a few others can make a difference.
From the team that lost to Donegal in the summer Mallon, Vernon, Kernan (retired), Harold, Dyas, Forker and Carragher (left panel) did not start tonight. Only Shields, Findon, Tony Kernan and the keeper played in the same positions.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
Tyrone fans feeling smug and self satisfied tonight after a vintage performance. I'm content in the knowledge that McGeeney wasn't too bothered with the result. McKeever didn't slam or smash anyone tonight, however Cavanagh was up to his usual swan lake impressions.
And I noticed he clipped McKeever late while he was on the ground after winning a free.
Armagh won't be worried about tonight's result but the manner of the defeat will rankle with players, managers and supporters.
Mc Geeney and co turned round a bigger deficit last year but Armagh have more work done at this stage.
Tyrone travelling nicely.
What was tonight's attendance?
Tyrone came and hammered us in our own backyard. Those of us that line the banks of the Blackwater find games like tonight hard to stomach irrespective of the competition. I deliberately didnt post after the first game because my general synopsis of that game was Tyrone were slow and lethargic (but still won) and we were much sharper.
Tonight Tyrone were streets ahead in the sharpness stakes. Again their movement up front was excellent and they wiped us out in the middle. But for a few catches by Aaron and a few runs by soupy it was a no show in this area. I counted winning two breaking balls in the first half alone . Tyrone upped the work-rate and the intensity which I knew they would and they looked stronger physically than us in most departments. Their defence in particular were very tight and while Armagh did well to open them up a few times ,they looked a solid bunch.
Maybe a few players were watching themselves carefully. Ciaran Mckeever Aaron Findon and Finn mo all had to be careful not to pick up another red. We didn't mix it at all. Yes the mistake by the keeper was horrible and the kickouts in general were slow but the ease with which they went through us for the goals was alarming. Skeet McAliskey literally pushed aside our defence for their third goal, mind you it was a lucky rebound that set Cavanagh up.
Lets clear a few things up Sean Cavanagh is a fabulous player. Forget about the diving whinging all that etc etc, he is quality, end of story and I'll stand by that point with anyone. He shuffled his feet close to the line in front of me and left the defender for dead and Brendy is no slouch by any means . We had no answer to him . Brendan did as well as anyone could but there was no doubting for me who was on top. why oh why did we leave such space in front of him.
In the first half he was hit time and time again with early ball. I know it's better than Omagh last year score wise but tonight we looked third division and they first. To be fair had we went to Omagh and beat them like they did us tonight we would be booking hotels in Dublin for Sept. We are not as good as we think we are and on the other hand not as bad as that tonight , somewhere in between. The journeys to Clare, Sligo, Limerick and wexford will tell us all we need to know and after tonight those journeys look even longer.
I'd agree with most of that, r4.
We aren't as good as we think we are. Last year has raised expectation in Armagh, but I fear the progress many predict this year may not work out that way.
Yes it's only January, but we are laboured in our build up play, slow to release ball and we will definitely miss the accurate foot passing of Aaron Kernan this year. We don't have a decent passer to replace him. Also, we lack a Cavanagh-type target/go-to man.
Grimley was the yin to mcgeeeneys yang. Who is gonna make the call?
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Photo by this guy...
https://www.facebook.com/john.mcilwaine.142
The Tyrone goalkeeper was excellent last night
The ref played a blinder for them too
The referee, the divers, the pre match band-everyone is out to get Armagh.
I see the BBC are showing the final live on Sat night.
👍
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The referee, the divers, the pre match band-everyone is out to get Armagh.
Don't forget the crap service from Armagh TV
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John "Curly" McIlwaine is probably the best GAA photographer around, never misses a game, and a really genuine nice guy. He has given me several photos of games I was involved in.
Was at this game last night too, really impressed with McAliskey, but I thought Shay McGuigan showed up really well too. He covered some ground and you can tell he's been in the weights room over the winter. Mickey O'Neill had a great game in goals, young McCann in midfield has a bright future too. Tyrone look to have lots of competition in lots of positions now.
Can't understand why Armagh started Clarke in left half back, as soon as they went behind he was shifted into the ful forward line. In fairness he was poor the whole game, even missed easy frees as did Tony Kernan. The only Armagh players who can hold their heads high after that game were their 2 midfielders tbh, and even there Tyrone more than held their own.
Fermanagh v Cavan for anybody that's interested.
Fermanagh have adopted a really defensive system this year which really seemed to surprise Cavan.
We went in 6-4 up and should have been further in front. Cavan really struggled against our defence.
In the second half Cavan got a hold around the middle of the field. They still struggled to break down our defence but we were that busy defending we forgot to attack. Anytime we did attack we decided to kick it in long and Cavan had 2 sweepers employed to deal with that.
Cavan scored 4 points in the second half and Fermanagh did not score until the 30th minute to bring us back to within a point.
Cavan then proceeded to gift us a goal with about 3 minutes to go. Game looked over until Fermanagh repaid the favour and gifted Cavan a goal. Nice to see neighbouring counties being so friendly. Sean Quigley then had a free that hit the post and came back into play. At that stage everybody assumed the referee would blow it up but he give us another dubious free (and moved it in) which went wide but the umpire give a 45. Sean then hit the 45 but it was short. The referee then blew things up and everybody was delighted that the game was over and we could all go home.
From a Fermanagh point of view it has been an excellent McKenna cup. Our defence has improved no end from last year. Few new players found and a few key players returning from injury as well. Quigley still needs a bit of help up front. I appreciate the need to defend in numbers in the modern game but we need more than one outlet ball. A balance needs to be struck. The fitness of the squad is much improved from last year.
Louth now wait on Saturday week and Sligo away after that. Those two games will determine if its promotion we are after or if it's a relegation dogfight.
I hate losing to Tyrone. In any competition or otherwise. Im in a right bad mood today
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 22, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
I hate losing to Tyrone. In any competition or otherwise. Im in a right bad mood today
So am I. I paid Armagh £3 and didn't even see the game. I feel dirty contributing to their coffers. My £3 will probably go towards new knuckle dusters or Sean Kavanagh masks for their training. >:(
Lol. Armagh get their now annual pasting from Tyrone, their captain gets turned inside out like a pair of knickers in the washing machine and the usual suspects on here blame the referee!! You couldn't make it up. Maybe try reading the match reports to realise Armagh got cleaned out in every dept last night!
QuoteLol. Armagh get their now annual pasting from Tyrone, their captain gets turned inside out like a pair of knickers in the washing machine and the usual suspects on here blame the referee!! You couldn't make it up. Maybe try reading the match reports to realise Armagh got cleaned out in every dept last night!
Indeed, cleaned out in the McKenna Cup, shocking stuff indeed. I remember Armagh being more than cleaned out last year also. Let's discuss the implications of last night's result around the summer time ::)
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 22, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
Lol. Armagh get their now annual pasting from Tyrone, their captain gets turned inside out like a pair of knickers in the washing machine and the usual suspects on here blame the referee!! You couldn't make it up. Maybe try reading the match reports to realise Armagh got cleaned out in every dept last night in the McKenna feckin Cup in January!
The McKenna Cup final between Tyrone and Cavan at the Athletic Grounds on Saturday night (throw-in 7.30pm) is being shown by BBC Northern Ireland. However, viewers will need to press the red button on the remote control to access the coverage.
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 22, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
The McKenna Cup final between Tyrone and Cavan at the Athletic Grounds on Saturday night (throw-in 7.30pm) is being shown by BBC Northern Ireland. However, viewers will need to press the red button on the remote control to access the coverage.
good on the BBC
Tyrone have dropped down a level or two, but still too much class for Armagh
Last years result in the championship a mere flash in the pan.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2015, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 22, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
The McKenna Cup final between Tyrone and Cavan at the Athletic Grounds on Saturday night (throw-in 7.30pm) is being shown by BBC Northern Ireland. However, viewers will need to press the red button on the remote control to access the coverage.
good on the BBC
Fantastic BBC
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Quote from: JoG2 on January 22, 2015, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 22, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
The McKenna Cup final between Tyrone and Cavan at the Athletic Grounds on Saturday night (throw-in 7.30pm) is being shown by BBC Northern Ireland. However, viewers will need to press the red button on the remote control to access the coverage.
good on the BBC
Fantastic BBC
Is this a wind up? Or are they really showing this?
Edit: Bejaysus they actually are showing it.
Gaelic Games
Saturday 24 January
McKenna Cup Final, 19:30-21:30, BBC Red Button
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
Oooohh Agent Orange has snapped!
Actually Tyrones next 5 games are televised live.
Quote from: God14 on January 22, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Oooohh Agent Orange has snapped!
Actually Tyrones next 5 games are televised live.
I'm burning my tv
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Quote from: God14 on January 22, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Oooohh Agent Orange has snapped!
Actually Tyrones next 5 games are televised live.
I'm burning my tv
One of the matches is against Derry Tickle! ;)
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Quote from: God14 on January 22, 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Oooohh Agent Orange has snapped!
Actually Tyrones next 5 games are televised live.
I'm burning my tv
Just press the other red button.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
One thing that was quite obvious from last night, for all the talk of Armagh's training regime, Tyrone looked much bigger, fitter & stronger. I honestly believe Tyrone wanted it a lot more (maybe in clutching at straws), but doesn't bode well for Armagh in the league and a serious improvement is needed.
Still very early days in fairness so let's see what the next few months bring.
Armagh have some players that are better than the majority of Tyrone's- S. Campbell, M.Shields, M. McKenna. McVerry looked impressive too.
Armagh will cruise Division 3.
Tyrone will have a good league, followed by a p*ss poor championship. One thing for sure though, from a Tyrone fan's perspective its great to have Armagh and Tyrone having a rivalry again. I hope it stays that way because the wans from Derry will still be sh*te in 10 years time.
I find it funny how Derry folk are rowing behind Armagh fans just to get a dig at Tyrone.
Quote from: Agent Orange on January 22, 2015, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
I'm from Tyrone but I'm willing to give that the comment of the thread! I Lol'd!!!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 02:02:33 PM
Armagh have some players that are better than the majority of Tyrone's- S. Campbell, M.Shields, M. McKenna. McVerry looked impressive too.
Armagh will cruise Division 3.
Tyrone will have a good league, followed by a p*ss poor championship. One thing for sure though, from a Tyrone fan's perspective its great to have Armagh and Tyrone having a rivalry again. I hope it stays that way because the wans from Derry will still be sh*te in 10 years time.
I find it funny how Derry folk are rowing behind Armagh fans just to get a dig at Tyrone.
That's being going on for a loonng time now. I remember looking behind me in Croker on AI final day 2003 to see a big banner - "Derry GAA...on tour with Armagh". Think they were from Magherafelt O'Donovan Rossa's club.
As you say anything to get a dig at Tyrone ::)
My take on the game last night was Tyrone were better from 1 to 15 all over the pitch, Tyrone's early ball in FF line and Armagh's 20 hand passes around the 45m line was the big difference. Armagh laboured in attack which allowed Tyrone to easily disposes them, the one or two times Armagh cut through Tyrone was from runners or early ball in.
Tyrone looked sharp and much fitter that Armagh although TBH I wouldn't be too concerned about that in January, Sean Cavanagh totally destroyed B Donaghy last night and C McKeever was give the shopping trolley too by McAliskey which is easily done by a quick tricky corner forward, usually McKeever in HB line is more solid. S Campbell done rightly at times but it's hard to pick out any Armagh men as Tyrone were so dominant and could/should have won by a lot more.
I too left about 6-7 mins early to try and warm up and beat the traffic so doubt if I missed anything in the closing stages. Armagh have a lot of work to do but it will keep them on their toes and hopefully we'll be a lot more competitive if we meet again in the summer.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
You've only Micky Harte to blame, he took him back onto the panel.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
You've only Micky Harte to blame, he took him back onto the panel.
And good on him. McCarron is a good footballer. I couldn't care less about anything else.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
You've only Micky Harte to blame, he took him back onto the panel.
And good on him. McCarron is a good footballer. I couldn't care less about anything else.
Would you have such a liberal attitude to gay porn, among other things, if it was one of our players?
We're talking about his football ability not his ability to tear someone a new ar*ehole. Leave the fella alone...He who never sinned cast the 1st stone (and all that)
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
You've only Micky Harte to blame, he took him back onto the panel.
And good on him. McCarron is a good footballer. I couldn't care less about anything else.
Would you have such a liberal attitude to gay porn, among other things, if it was one of our players?
Absolutely, some lads have personal issues that are best left for themselves to sort out. I care little for the personal lives of any Armagh player.
No harm to ye Agent Orange but that is not 'banter', it's well below the belt and unnecessary. Leave the lads personal life off the agenda as he has a lot to deal with I've no doubt.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
You've only Micky Harte to blame, he took him back onto the panel.
And good on him. McCarron is a good footballer. I couldn't care less about anything else.
Would you have such a liberal attitude to gay porn, among other things, if it was one of our players?
Absolutely, some lads have personal issues that are best left for themselves to sort out. I care little for the personal lives of any Armagh player.
agreed. Sexual orientation aside, the man made a mistake or two. Is trying to sort himself out. Fair play to Micky and his club for helping the man out. You could need a helping hand yourself some day
If Armagh take away from last nights game that there is a lot more work to do and no room for slacking or complacency then that is a useful lesson to learn at a time in the season when there is still time to improve.
My analyses of the game is simple. Mickey harte is smart. Smarter than geezer can ever hope to be.
Hartes approach was based on the arma v donegal game last summer. Harte seeing that mcavoy was in goals decided to pressure armaghs goalie from the throw in. Mcavoy feeling pressured and embarrassed imediately went into "get rid of it mode" tyrones plan comes together armagh end up chasing the game trying to be kildare building through 500 handpasses and spilling the ball tyrone run at the armagh defence who are now pannicked by the headless heedless mcacoy and and foul and beat themselves..
You can hardly lay the blame for Tyrone's emphatic domination on your keeper alone Lawnseed. Tyrone could have had another 10-12 points never mind the early goals!
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Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel.
You've only Micky Harte to blame, he took him back onto the panel.
And good on him. McCarron is a good footballer. I couldn't care less about anything else.
Would you have such a liberal attitude to gay porn, among other things, if it was one of our players?
Absolutely, some lads have personal issues that are best left for themselves to sort out. I care little for the personal lives of any Armagh player.
agreed. Sexual orientation aside, the man made a mistake or two. Is trying to sort himself out. Fair play to Micky and his club for helping the man out. You could need a helping hand yourself some day
The bad apple I was referring to was Agent Orange. Crass remark from him. We are all here for the craic; McKeever's a thug, Cavanagh dives, McGeeney is mental. Take away all the craic, Tyrone and Armagh fans and players enjoy playing each other. There's a buzz when the two play that few others can match especially since Derry have become the second worst team in Ulster.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 08:28:09 AM
The referee, the divers, the pre match band-everyone is out to get Armagh.
I was first to mention the ref spuds although I did say he had no affect on the result. I just feel that he has a lot of room for improvement. He refereed Cross and Omagh and gave a major decision incorrectly against Jamie Clarke. Then refereed the club final and missed a blatant free for Omagh which may have cost them the game. Then last night he missed a blatant penalty for a foul on Shields.
What colour is the red button?
Agent Oranges comments regarding Cathal McCarron are despicable . The lad has/ had serious issues involving gambling, leading to the events of the last year or so. To be bringing shite like that up is going too far. You're a p***k Agent orange >:(
Even answering to agent orange is the problem, just ignore him fullstop, he get the message.
Time for the Armagh boys to leave this thread, see yis next year.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
If Armagh take away from last nights game that there is a lot more work to do and no room for slacking or complacency then that is a useful lesson to learn at a time in the season when there is still time to improve.
no. If armagh take anything away from last night its that philip mcevoy is a liability
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 22, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Only announced after Armagh's elimination confirmed. Couldn't show the thugs on live TV before the 9.00pm watershed.
Will Cathal McCarron be playing? He normally only appears on late night TV.
You chose an appropriate user name. That's one of the most poisonous comments ever posted on this Board. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2015, 10:45:24 PM
Time for the Armagh boys to leave this thread, see yis next year.
Too smelly in here anyway.
I enjoyed the last week's craic for the build up of the game but sounds like the game itself was a non event with Tyrone taking it too seriously. Typical .
A few of ye Armagh lads showed yet again your true colours and utter hatred of anything with a single red hand on it. Have ye been spanked once too often as a kid perhaps and fear the red hand mark on yer arses? God knows.
In fairness a few sensible heads like Rionach, IllDecide, Bennydorano and even Lawnseed is showing he's maturing.
You'll never find me Fuzzman as Derry City is a big place, but a Donemana man living in Dublin can easily be located!!
Are you back in Derry Hi or still in Liverpool?
I think you'd stick out like a sore thumb anywhere Tickleman
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 23, 2015, 02:25:28 PM
Are you back in Derry Hi or still in Liverpool?
I think you'd stick out like a sore thumb anywhere Tickleman
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I know this is a football thread but the hurling section seems quiet and the Derry ones seem to like to read about Tyrone. Anyway Armagh GAA forum report that tonight's Conor McGurk hurling final between Armagh and Derry is on Armagh TV. As it is free there should be no complaints.
Good man throw ball
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I see Harte unsurprisingly has fielded Donnelly and O'Neill in his starting line up even though they have already played for UUJ in the competition, a ridiculous situation and shows how determined he is to get the 4 in a row. What other sport or competition would allow such a situatin occur?
I hope its a good fair and physical (probably get jumped on for using that word) contest and if there are a few minor dust ups then so be it, there will be no crying here. Just hope that the game isn't settled by any controversial free kick incidents involving players doing impersonations of dying swans.
No it doesn't. It shows Harte wants to run the rule over everyone before the football in earnest starts with the NFL, and this might be the last semi-competitive game with which to do that.
It's not like he needs to see O'Neill or Donnelly play to know their capabilities, they will be guaranteed starters in any Tyrone first XV. Just to be clear I have no issue with Harte starting them but with the rules which allow such a situation occur. However it does show how serious Harte is treating this match. Armagh have Aidan Forker and James Morgan available now also from St Marys who will be in the starting team come championship, but McGeeney has opted not to start either of them tonight.
He's made 13 changes. I don't think he's taking it any more serious than any other manager. None of the managers will want to lose the game.
13 changes from what, a nothing game against Antrim? Course he treats it more serious than any other manager, his comments over the years and disputes over availability of college players would tell you as much.
13 more changes. Does this mean Harte isn't taking Cavan seriously or that he didn't take Armagh seriously?
Or maybe it's because it's their 3rd game in a week and wants to look at his panel before the league commences?..
Harte takes the Competition serious more then any other manager, it's not like it's a weak team
Quote from: Nigel White on January 22, 2015, 11:18:44 PM
You chose an appropriate user name. That's one of the most poisonous comments ever posted on this Board. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Steady on. Hardly the classiest of comments but if that's the worst McCarron has to put up with over the months ahead then he will be doing pretty well. The boy will need a thick skin and plenty of support which I trust he is getting. Good to see him back playing again, for his own good and for Tyrone.
Making drastic changes from game to game has been par for the course with Mickey the past few seasons. I don't mind it at this stage of the season but I think it does become a real issue when it continues throughout the National League. Above all this season I really want him to get the experimenting out of the way early on and aim to have the nucleus of his team in place as early as possible. He has a number of very good players and he needs to get them established in the key positions and build around them. Changing the team and playing players in different positions from game to game doesn't help with momentum at all. It's also an issue when things go wrong in big games and there isn't a trusted and established spine to the team to help steady the ship. A factor in a few Tyrone championship defeats the past few years IMO.
Dr McKenna Cup: Mickey Harte makes 12 Tyrone changes for final
Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Final: Tyrone v Cavan
Venue: Athletic Grounds Date: Saturday, 24 January Throw-in: 19:30 GMT
Coverage: Live video coverage on BBC Sport Website plus Red Button coverage
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has made 12 changes from the semi-final win over Armagh for Saturday's Dr McKenna Cup final against Cavan at the Athletic Grounds [19:30 GMT].
Cathal McCann, Ronan O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh are the only players to retain their places.
Niall Morgan returns in goal with the McMahon brothers Joe and Justin both named in the defence.
The attack includes Mark Donnelly, Kyle Coney, Cavanagh and Niall McKenna.
The McMahon brothers are both included after coming on as substitutes in Wednesday's 3-10 to 1-8 semi-final win.
Aidan McCrory, Cathal McCarron, Ronan McNabb and Barry Tierney also return to the Red Hands defence with Padraig McNulty named to partner McCann at midfield.
Plunkett Kane joins Mark Donnelly and Ronan O'Neill in the half-forward line with the full-forward line comprising of Coney, Cavanagh and Niall McKenna.
Tyrone defeated Cavan 1-15 to 0-11 in last year's McKenna Cup final and are seeking a fourth successive triumph in the competition.
Cavan have yet to name their line-up for the final but they will again be without the influential Gearoid McKiernan after he was handed a two-game ban for using sectarian abuse against Monaghan's Drew Wylie in last weekend's game.
TEAMS
Tyrone: N Morgan; A McCrory, Justin McMahon, C McCarron; R McNabb, Joe McNabb, B Tierney; P McNulty, C McCann; Mark Donnelly, R O'Neill, P Kane; K Coney, S Cavanagh, N McKenna. Subs: M O'Neill, R Brennan, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, P Harte, P Hughes, T McCann, D McCurry, S McGuigan, E McKenna, R McKenna
Cavan: tbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30957940?print=true
Mickey called up a few new faces again
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Quote from: Nigel White on January 22, 2015, 11:18:44 PM
You chose an appropriate user name. That's one of the most poisonous comments ever posted on this Board. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Steady on. Hardly the classiest of comments but if that's the worst McCarron has to put up with over the months ahead then he will be doing pretty well. The boy will need a thick skin and plenty of support which I trust he is getting. Good to see him back playing again, for his own good and for Tyrone.
Making drastic changes from game to game has been par for the course with Mickey the past few seasons. I don't mind it at this stage of the season but I think it does become a real issue when it continues throughout the National League. Above all this season I really want him to get the experimenting out of the way early on and aim to have the nucleus of his team in place as early as possible. He has a number of very good players and he needs to get them established in the key positions and build around them. Changing the team and playing players in different positions from game to game doesn't help with momentum at all. It's also an issue when things go wrong in big games and there isn't a trusted and established spine to the team to help steady the ship. A factor in a few Tyrone championship defeats the past few years IMO.
Would agree that a settled team is needed going into the championship and I'd say Harte is aware of that himself. In his defence last year a lot of players didn't take their chances when given but also think he didn't get our best 15 on pitch come championship. I'd like to see some experimentation I'm first 3 or 4 games in terms of both personnel and positions. But after that get close to a settled 15.
I think he might already be close to settling his defence, I would not be surprised if it's morgan mcrory mcnamee mcccarron mcnabb Donnelly and Harte. Colm will start midfield and it's looking like sean at 14. After that it gets a bit more complicated.
In my opinion our half forward line has been one of our weakest area in recent years. It hasn't offered enough ball winning ability or link play. From that point of view I'd nearly prefer to see Donnelly at 11 and maybe even move Harte or mcnabb up there to. Justy and tierney could be options in half back line.
Given this will be the 3rd game in a week I feel Harte is being sensible making so many changes. Not a bad team but I feel Tyrone's main problem at the minute is that they have a lot of players at a similar level and not enough with that wee bit extra. Tyrone supporters will know better than me if that is the case.
The only thing I would have done differently with the team is to give O'Neill another run in goals. He had a good game on Wednesday and playing a game this weekend would mean more to him than Morgan - who Harte knows enough about already.
Would agree about Morgan/O'Neill.
I think that showed when O'Neill had to come in for Morgan against Down last year.He hadn't been used much and looked very nervy.His kickouts weren't hitting their targets either.I would like to see him starting tonight and getting 2 or 3 games in the league.He's an excellent keeper.
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Dr McKenna Cup: Mickey Harte makes 12 Tyrone changes for final
Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Final: Tyrone v Cavan
Venue: Athletic Grounds Date: Saturday, 24 January Throw-in: 19:30 GMT
Coverage: Live video coverage on BBC Sport Website plus Red Button coverage
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has made 12 changes from the semi-final win over Armagh for Saturday's Dr McKenna Cup final against Cavan at the Athletic Grounds [19:30 GMT].
Cathal McCann, Ronan O'Neill and Sean Cavanagh are the only players to retain their places.
Niall Morgan returns in goal with the McMahon brothers Joe and Justin both named in the defence.
The attack includes Mark Donnelly, Kyle Coney, Cavanagh and Niall McKenna.
The McMahon brothers are both included after coming on as substitutes in Wednesday's 3-10 to 1-8 semi-final win.
Aidan McCrory, Cathal McCarron, Ronan McNabb and Barry Tierney also return to the Red Hands defence with Padraig McNulty named to partner McCann at midfield.
Plunkett Kane joins Mark Donnelly and Ronan O'Neill in the half-forward line with the full-forward line comprising of Coney, Cavanagh and Niall McKenna.
Tyrone defeated Cavan 1-15 to 0-11 in last year's McKenna Cup final and are seeking a fourth successive triumph in the competition.
Cavan have yet to name their line-up for the final but they will again be without the influential Gearoid McKiernan after he was handed a two-game ban for using sectarian abuse against Monaghan's Drew Wylie in last weekend's game.
TEAMS
Tyrone: N Morgan; A McCrory, Justin McMahon, C McCarron; R McNabb, Joe McNabb, B Tierney; P McNulty, C McCann; Mark Donnelly, R O'Neill, P Kane; K Coney, S Cavanagh, N McKenna. Subs: M O'Neill, R Brennan, C Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly, P Harte, P Hughes, T McCann, D McCurry, S McGuigan, E McKenna, R McKenna
Cavan: tbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30957940?print=true
Mickey called up a few new faces again
I think it's Joe Mc Cann and Cathal Mc Nabb ?.
Does anybody know how I can watch tonights game from England? The iplayer is restricted because im not in the north
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Does anybody know how I can watch tonights game from England? The iplayer is restricted because im not in the north
wat about thee oul red button through virgin?
Don't know about England but BBC Red Button content is shown on Sky channel 980 in NI. That way you can record the final.
Quote from: big balla on January 24, 2015, 05:50:52 PM
Does anybody know how I can watch tonights game from England? The iplayer is restricted because im not in the north
If you or a friend has a free to air box receiver BBC RB1 is a channel on it.
If you have sky, just push the red button on your remote when on BBC1 channel. Its showing some soccer match between cliftonville and some other crowd at the moment,.
I have it now on the free view box, didn't think it would be shown on it over here. Cheers
All I can get on the red button lads is the Irish Cup Final. Am I too early?
Yeah it's on BBC 2 red button. Have To go out now but gonna record it.
Mon Cavan ya tight nasties,except for that sectarian hoor!
Fair play to cliftonville there on their cup success, but get the football on day buck
Sidebottom on commentary though:-(
Tyrone being cleaned out in midfield.
Got it now lads....took me a couple of minutes to figure out who the "Marty" with the Ballymena accent was :P
Tyrone doing a lot of pulling the arm in and getting soft frees.
On my god. Clear point!
That was brutal from the umpire there!
criminal :(
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That was brutal from the umpire there!
2 umpires.
That would have been a score on Armagh TV
Sidey. Cavan are like fighter pilots in the sun. WTF
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Sidey. Cavan are like fighter pilots in the sun. WTF
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Armagh lads will like that hit on big Sean
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 24, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
Sidebottom on commentary though:-(
Just mentioned how contagious hipster beards are...classic
surely the referee would have been in a good position to overrule the umpire for the coney free? it was straight over the bar!!!
Cavan are a bogey team for Tyrone, all started with those u-21's.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2015, 08:00:59 PM
Cavan are a bogey team for Tyrone, all started with those u-21's.
You reckon? I can't remember us ever beating Tyrone at senior level
Killian Clarke outstanding so far
All the old failings are still there it seems. Can't break down a blanket. Half the defence sucked into their half and then hit on break. McCrory not great at getting out in front when isolated so most likely a point. Kyle can't handle close marking. The early ball into the corners in the Armagh game abandoned. Pity cos McKenna looks lean and mean. Sean in desperation wants to play everywhere. Mattie and Colm might make a diff.
award for worst commentator on any station worldwide must go to sidebottom
Score update?
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award for worst commentator on any station worldwide must go to sidebottom
Lay off Sidey. I don't understand why he gets so much abuse.
Another soft one
Tyrone 1-10 Cavan 0-10
I'm biased but I believe Tyrone have got 4 points from frees that were extremely soft
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award for worst commentator on any station worldwide must go to sidebottom
Lay off Sidey. I don't understand why he gets so much abuse.
Because he is a patronising bollix that knows nothing about football
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award for worst commentator on any station worldwide must go to sidebottom
Lay off Sidey. I don't understand why he gets so much abuse.
Because he is a patronising bollix that knows nothing about football
correct!
Cavan didn't score in the second half, ffs!! >:(
The subs will get the accolades but McKenna hardly put a foot wrong all night. He was needed - gone is the marquee 0-6 forward. Sean was tightly marked from the start.
Good second half by McNulty - reminded me of Harry Og at minor.
Cavan definitely have a half time problem.
Any second now Cavan will come out for the second half...
Sidebottom. Tyrone have played 3 times in a week. Said it twice. Never mentioned the fact that Cavan had as well. Sean Cavanagh touched falls and rolls. And the amount of times Tyrone players grabbed a Cavan players hand and pulled him to the ground was a shock. Massive display of cyical play and cheating. I'd rather a player hit me a box.
There was a big wind there I'm told although 2 ejits commentating didn't seem to notice.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2015, 09:11:12 PM
The subs will get the accolades but McKenna hardly put a foot wrong all night. He was needed - gone is the marquee 0-6 forward. Sean was tightly marked from the start.
Good second half by McNulty - reminded me of Harry Og at minor.
Cavan definitely have a half time problem.
Cavan were like a different team in the second half. Back to the puke style, passing over and back crap. Tyrone picked it up a lot in the second half to be fair but Cavan just fell apart
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 24, 2015, 09:13:02 PM
Sidebottom. Tyrone have played 3 times in a week. Said it twice. Never mentioned the fact that Cavan had as well. Sean Cavanagh touched falls and rolls. And the amount of times Tyrone players grabbed a Cavan players hand and pulled him to the ground was a shock. Massive display of cyical play and cheating. I'd rather a player hit me a box.
Even asked Marty about the Tyrone schedule and he never copped. Disappointed with ref, didn't see any of those soft frees but Tyrone were just too good in 2nd. We needed those poor misses from Dunne to be in the net.
Tyrone were two good but Cavan had moments in 2nd half that they couldn't capitalise on. Positives were mc keever and clarke first half. Dunne a proper full back. Paul Smith impressed me big time.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 24, 2015, 09:13:02 PM
Sidebottom. Tyrone have played 3 times in a week. Said it twice. Never mentioned the fact that Cavan had as well. Sean Cavanagh touched falls and rolls. And the amount of times Tyrone players grabbed a Cavan players hand and pulled him to the ground was a shock. Massive display of cyical play and cheating. I'd rather a player hit me a box.
::)
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 24, 2015, 09:13:02 PM
Sidebottom. Tyrone have played 3 times in a week. Said it twice. Never mentioned the fact that Cavan had as well. Sean Cavanagh touched falls and rolls. And the amount of times Tyrone players grabbed a Cavan players hand and pulled him to the ground was a shock. Massive display of cyical play and cheating. I'd rather a player hit me a box.
BIG Sean fall down?? Never!! One of the biggest cheats ever to have played the game!
And as for the rest cheating, they're only buying into the fine philosophy of Harte! :-X
But at least that prestigious trophy now justifies Hartes tenure for another year! Jesys wept 8)
"Petey back on his feety"
Yeah big Sean should be banned.
So should Orange but he needs to let his frustration go somewhere.
I wonder what he would say to Sean if he met him face to face.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 24, 2015, 10:33:01 PM
Yeah big Sean should be banned.
So should Orange but he needs to let his frustration go somewhere.
I wonder what he would say to Sean if he met him face to face.
I would walk up to BIG Sean, tap him on the shoulder at which he would fall to the ground holding his face, and I would say " Hi BIG Sean you just fall over too easily lad, its really embarrassing to watch" to which wee Colm would come running and say " why you got beef with my BIG Sean? Boohoo"
Then again I wouldn't say anything to BIG Sean cos he strikes fear into anyone he meets!! ::) ???
Anyway congrats in 4 in a row, fantastic achievement and will leave a legacy that will be hard to follow!! ::)
Dont light too many of them bonfires!?!
No you wouldn't.
Four in a row McKenna cups is a truly remarkable achievement for Tyrone, I'm sure their supporters appreciate the true value of this achievement.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 25, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
Four in a row McKenna cups is a truly remarkable achievement for Tyrone, I'm sure their supporters appreciate the true value of this achievement.
Nope, all part of the process, but we may appreciate it in a few years time if we get relegated to Div 3. It does no harm winning games. Your policy of not winning the McKenna cup matches hasn't really paid dividends as you bombed into division 3.
Thank you. Comforting to know it's bothering the shit out of apple-chompers to be moved to comment on it.
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Quote from: armaghniac on January 25, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
Four in a row McKenna cups is a truly remarkable achievement for Tyrone, I'm sure their supporters appreciate the true value of this achievement.
Nope, all part of the process, but we may appreciate it in a few years time if we get relegated to Div 3. It does no harm winning games. Your policy of not winning the McKenna cup matches hasn't really paid dividends as you bombed into division 3.
I thought division 3 was a myth.
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2015, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2015, 12:37:14 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 25, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
Four in a row McKenna cups is a truly remarkable achievement for Tyrone, I'm sure their supporters appreciate the true value of this achievement.
Nope, all part of the process, but we may appreciate it in a few years time if we get relegated to Div 3. It does no harm winning games. Your policy of not winning the McKenna cup matches hasn't really paid dividends as you bombed into division 3.
I thought division 3 was a myth.
Ah it's great. People can climb over the fences into games. 1 page double printed programmes and 3 bars of chocolate for a punt. I think the Armaghniac's will love it.
As an Armagh man am I allowed to say I thought Tyrone played well tonight. Over the 3 games I have seen them play I have been impressed with there midfield. Didn't think there was much wind tonight compared to the last week or so but Tyrone did seem to have it in there favour in the second half when they were playing into the 'scoring goals'. It is also great that they like a bit of the old diving etc - it gives us all a good reason to dislike them. :)
Quote from: Throw ball on January 25, 2015, 01:07:01 AM
As an Armagh man am I allowed to say I thought Tyrone played well tonight. Over the 3 games I have seen them play I have been impressed with there midfield. Didn't think there was much wind tonight compared to the last week or so but Tyrone did seem to have it in there favour in the second half when they were playing into the 'scoring goals'. It is also great that they like a bit of the old diving etc - it gives us all a good reason to dislike them. :)
They're Tyrone. That's reason enough!
Armagh supporters didn't care about the McKenna cup. Makes you wonder why so many turned up at the semi-final. ;D
Quote from: north down on January 25, 2015, 01:10:47 AM
Armagh supporters didn't care about the McKenna cup. Makes you wonder why so many turned up at the semi-final. ;D
Presumably they went to marvel at Tyrone's wonder team on the way to their fantastic four in a row.
That must be it - they weren't there to marvel at the Armagh skills.
Any highlights online??
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 24, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
Sidebottom on commentary though:-(
Not sure if it has been noted already but he must have called the McKenna Cup the McRory Cup at least twice.
QuoteNot sure if it has been noted already but he must have called the McKenna Cup the McRory Cup at least twice.
He's probably getting mixed up with the fact that both are named after great Tyrone Gaels. Dr McKenna was bishop of Clogher while Cardinal McRory was from Errigal Ciaran which proudly boasts the most living holders of All Ireland SFC Medals in Ulster. You couldn't throw a shoe down the Main Street in Ballygawley without hitting a double AI winner! 😄
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Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2015, 12:37:14 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 25, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
Four in a row McKenna cups is a truly remarkable achievement for Tyrone, I'm sure their supporters appreciate the true value of this achievement.
Nope, all part of the process, but we may appreciate it in a few years time if we get relegated to Div 3. It does no harm winning games. Your policy of not winning the McKenna cup matches hasn't really paid dividends as you bombed into division 3.
I thought division 3 was a myth.
Armagh were very hit and myth in D2 last year
Hit and myth. Yes, their hits were a myth.
Armagh are probably more like Div 4 standard. Punching above their weight at present. Have any previous AI winners fallen as far in the decade following their triumph?
Quote from: under the bar on January 25, 2015, 04:06:55 PM
Armagh are probably more like Div 4 standard. Punching above their weight at present. Have any previous AI winners fallen as far in the decade following their triumph?
Lol ::)
It will be interesting to compare the total attendances at the 7 Armagh league games versus the total attendances at the McKenna Cup games. 3 home games against Tipperary, Fermanagh and Louth will surely all be capacity crowds. Don't be surprised if the county treasurer is proposing a blue-collar UFC exhibition match featuring members of the Armagh squad so that they can cover the expenses of the back-room team.
Also with the 4 away games, I'd be quite concerned that Armagh bus driver might have trouble finding the unfamiliar pitches.
Maybe the Armagh lads better bring hurleys with them for the Division 3 games, since they are playing so many hurling counties?
There mightn't be a great crowd at some Armagh games, but compared to Derry and the real Div 4 team, Antrim, they will be massive.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 25, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
There mightn't be a great crowd at some Armagh games, but compared to Derry and the real Div 4 team, Antrim, they will be massive.
up yers
Armagh probably have the best pub based support in Ireland! :)
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2015, 07:12:38 PM
Armagh probably have the best pub based support in Ireland! :)
Of course, Armagh superiority in many things is well known.
On the subject of Div 3, is it cheaper to get into games than it would be in Div 1 and 2?
Why would it be?
I think it is actually...
Seriously, I know Down are offering a £5 discount on NFL tickets paid for in advance. As long as the are paid for before Sunday then the discount applies. Is this the same in all counties or just Down?
Taken from Down Facebook page:
Allianz League Game Ticket Sales
Once again this year there is a €5 pre-purchase discount (€10/£9.00 pre-purchase price as opposed to €15 on match day) for all Division 1 and Division 2 Football League fixtures and this is something that we are keen to promote as much as possible.
For all of our Allianz League Games, Tickets can be purchased in advance from the County Office in Castlewellan, you thus can on Match Days proceed straight to the Turnstiles with no worries of queuing and you can do so by saving money too.
It will offer supporters better value and also take some of the pressure off ticket sales at the various venues on match days.
Sure is funny reading SOME Armagh fans completely scraping the barrel with their comments on Tyrone winning another McKenna cup.
I see the Dubs won their Leinster cup too.
Peaked too soon?
Always best not to show your cards too early and play your best forward of the last 20 years in defence. ???
Was impressed with young McNulty, Mccurry, McCarron, Justy but disappointed again with RON. He looks really slow and no urgency.
Back to school tomorrow Orange?
Quote from: under the bar on January 25, 2015, 04:06:55 PM
Armagh are probably more like Div 4 standard. Punching above their weight at present. Have any previous AI winners fallen as far in the decade following their triumph?
They are certainly doing that.
Also last year they have jumped on the band wagon too.
Congratulations Tyrone in winning four in a row, were def the best team in the competition and deserved the win. Had a rough few days there so wasn't available to give my congrats earlier...Should be another great Ulster this summer and can't wait for it but not looking forward to the League campaign as it will be hard Spring time for us Armagh men...
Dr McKenna Cup: Cavan 0-10 1-13 Tyrone
Tyrone made it four McKenna Cup titles in a row thanks to a 1-13 to 0-10 victory over Cavan in Saturday night's final at the Athletic Grounds.
Cavan led by 0-10 to 0-6 at the break but failed to score in the second half as Tyrone produced a quality display.
The Red Hands scored 1-7 without reply in the second period with Niall McKenna netting the only goal of the game after 57 minutes.
Half-time substitute Darren McCurry hit four points for Mickey Harte's team.
Tyrone previously won a four in a row from 2004-2008, also under manager Harte.
In front of a 3,554 crowd in Armagh, Cavan bossed the first half and fully deserved their four-point lead at half-time.
Their direct running put the Tyrone defence on the back-foot and caused them huge problems.
Nine of Cavan's first-half points came from play, with six different players on the scoreboard.
Martin Dunne was dangerous and hit 0-4 in the first half, three of his scores coming from play.
In contrast, Tyrone only managed one point from play in the first half with the bulk of their scores coming from frees.
Cavan completely took over in the second quarter and outscored the Red Hands by 0-6 to 0-2 for the remainder of the half.
Cavan should have been further ahead but Dunne fluffed a brilliant goal chance in the 26th minute.
Tyrone captain Sean Cavanagh shows off the McKenna after the Red Hands triumphed once again
Niall Murray's crossfield ball was well won by Dunne, who turned Aidan McCrory and tried to chip Niall Morgan with the goal at his mercy, but his tame effort dropped wide.
Harte had seen enough and made three half-time substitutions with Colm Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly and Darren McCurry coming in to bolster the side.
It was vital for Tyrone that they got the first point of the second half - and they did just that after 43 minutes from midfielder Padraig McNulty, who took a few big hits as he rumbled through to score off his weaker left foot.
McCurry was full of confidence after hitting a great point from the wing and followed it up with even better points from distance as Tyrone pulled clear.
McKenna latched onto Sean Cavanagh's knocked down pass and steered the ball low into the right-hand corner of the net.
Cavan, who were without suspended midfielder Gearoid McKiernan, put a lot of energy into the first half and couldn't keep it going once Tyrone upped the ante.
Cavan: C Gilsenan; K Brady, R Dunne, J Hayes; N Murray (0-1), P Smith, M McKeever (0-1); D O'Reilly, K Clarke (0-1); M Reilly, M Lyng (0-1), D McVeety; R Flanagan, N McDermott (0-2), M Dunne (0-4, 1f) Subs: C Moynagh for Hayes (HT), J Brady for Lyng (44), E Hessin for Moynagh (55), T Corr for McKeever (59), P Tinnelly for O'Reilly (68)
Tyrone: N Morgan (0-1, f); A McCrory, Justin McMahon, C McCarron; R McNabb, Joe McMahon, B Tierney; P McNulty (0-2), C McCann (0-1); Mark Donnelly, R O'Neill, P Kane (0-1); K Coney (0-1, f), S Cavanagh (0-3, 3f), N McKenna (1-0) Subs: Mattie Donnelly for Joe McMahon (HT), C Cavanagh for Kane (HT), D McCurry (0-4, 1f) for Coney (HT), P Harte for Mark Donnelly (44), R McNamee for McCarron (62)
Referee: Ronan Barry (Down)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30957940?print=true
Interviews and highlights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30957940
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
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It must not have been two bad if he just got two game ban ?
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I see a couple of the Monaghan players had their own problems with racism at the weekend. Didnt take long for the wheel to turn.
Quote from: Blue in hope on February 18, 2015, 12:30:49 PM
Just said that was sectarian so draw your own conclusions. It was directed to one of the Wylie boys.
It must not have been two bad if he just got two game ban ?
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I see a couple of the Monaghan players had their own problems with racism at the weekend. Didnt take long for the wheel to turn.
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A night out in Cavan abused a taxi driver and ended up been taken to the Gardai.
Quote from: Blue in hope on February 18, 2015, 02:27:17 PM
A night out in Cavan abused a taxi driver and ended up been taken to the Gardai.
Never seen that, any links.
I know they had last weekend off as such.
Groups for 2016
Section A: Queens, Derry, Tyrone, Antrim
Section B: St Marys, Donegal, Fermanagh, Down
Section C: Ulster University, Cavan, Armagh, Monaghan
Semi Finals:
Section B Winner v Section A Winner
Best Runner-Up v Section C Winner
Any word on the dates for these games?
Edit: just found a link, starts this Sunday.
http://ulster.gaa.ie/mckennacup2016/
Tyrone going for five in a row? :)
Quote from: J70 on December 27, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Tyrone going for five in a row? :)
Probably will do. Strange that they never transferred their McKenna success into Ulster c'ship success.
They've probably won 10 under Harte, yet only 4 Ulsters. It's like other counties take the Ulster c'ship more seriously than the McKenna or something.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 27, 2015, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 27, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Tyrone going for five in a row? :)
Probably will do. Strange that they never transferred their McKenna success into Ulster c'ship success.
They've probably won 10 under Harte, yet only 4 Ulsters. It's like other counties take the Ulster c'ship more seriously than the McKenna or something.
Ye know what, you're so full of shite it's unbelievable. If you played for Armagh then fair f**ks to you but frankly I think you're a wannabe who lives a sad life behind an online pseudonym who never fulfilled his football ambition as he was the skinny speccy kid who was always picked last and played only if his mammy remembered to pack his inhaler in his kit bag. You are a parody of yourself living on other peoples' glory and harking back to 'glory days' that probably never even happened. The only McKenna Cup glory you probably ever experienced was when you were trying to pick up the courage to ask the fat girl called McKenna to your Debs and then were elated when she said she would go! Or maybe when you wrapped up your first dirty picture of Mary McKenna in a copy of Ireland's Own in your nan's house! You're full of it!
Class
Quote from: ONeill on December 27, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 27, 2015, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 27, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Tyrone going for five in a row? :)
Probably will do. Strange that they never transferred their McKenna success into Ulster c'ship success.
They've probably won 10 under Harte, yet only 4 Ulsters. It's like other counties take the Ulster c'ship more seriously than the McKenna or something.
Ye know what, you're so full of shite it's unbelievable. If you played for Armagh then fair f**ks to you but frankly I think you're a wannabe who lives a sad life behind an online pseudonym who never fulfilled his football ambition as he was the skinny speccy kid who was always picked last and played only if his mammy remembered to pack his inhaler in his kit bag. You are a parody of yourself living on other peoples' glory and harking back to 'glory days' that probably never even happened. The only McKenna Cup glory you probably ever experienced was when you were trying to pick up the courage to ask the fat girl called McKenna to your Debs and then were elated when she said she would go! Or maybe when you wrapped up your first dirty picture of Mary McKenna in a copy of Ireland's Own in your nan's house! You're full of it!
Brokencrossbar should sue for plagiarism.
Quote from: ONeill on December 27, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 27, 2015, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 27, 2015, 12:51:07 PM
Tyrone going for five in a row? :)
Probably will do. Strange that they never transferred their McKenna success into Ulster c'ship success.
They've probably won 10 under Harte, yet only 4 Ulsters. It's like other counties take the Ulster c'ship more seriously than the McKenna or something.
Ye know what, you're so full of shite it's unbelievable. If you played for Armagh then fair f**ks to you but frankly I think you're a wannabe who lives a sad life behind an online pseudonym who never fulfilled his football ambition as he was the skinny speccy kid who was always picked last and played only if his mammy remembered to pack his inhaler in his kit bag. You are a parody of yourself living on other peoples' glory and harking back to 'glory days' that probably never even happened. The only McKenna Cup glory you probably ever experienced was when you were trying to pick up the courage to ask the fat girl called McKenna to your Debs and then were elated when she said she would go! Or maybe when you wrapped up your first dirty picture of Mary McKenna in a copy of Ireland's Own in your nan's house! You're full of it!
Seriously, what are you smoking, dude? ;D ;D
Who was it said Tyrone fans werent touchy?
Edit: fair dos. Just seen the other thread. I'm standing by my statement though! ;D
Do Armagh TV still stream the Armagh games?
theres only one trophy tyrone can win each year and that is the mckenna. sams a pipe dream. ulster looks a minefield as usual and tyrone will probably hope for an extended qualifier run. a trophy however modest keeps the wolves from the door and the mckenna helps to build belief in the squad player that they are useful until the latter stages of the league.
Quote from: ose 14 on January 01, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
theres only one trophy tyrone can win each year and that is the mckenna. sams a pipe dream. ulster looks a minefield as usual and tyrone will probably hope for an extended qualifier run. a trophy however modest keeps the wolves from the door and the mckenna helps to build belief in the squad player that they are useful until the latter stages of the league.
Good lad, none of this oul positivity on New Years Day.
Based on last years major improvements through the qualifiers and the influx of a number of AI winning U21s, I'm as hopeful as I've been about Tyrone in a good few years and I hope we do win the McKenna Cup, winning is always better than losing. If you aren't at least a bit more positive about Tyrone today, compared to previous years, then I guess you are doomed to a life of criticising and whinging. But I suppose that's what some boys love doing most!
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 01, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
Good lad, none of this oul positivity on New Years Day.
Based on last years major improvements through the qualifiers and the influx of a number of AI winning U21s, I'm as hopeful as I've been about Tyrone in a good few years and I hope we do win the McKenna Cup, winning is always better than losing. If you aren't at least a bit more positive about Tyrone today, compared to previous years, then I guess you are doomed to a life of criticising and whinging. But I suppose that's what some boys love doing most!
"Winning is better than losing" could well be the sports psychology, motivational one liner, that will carry a team like Tyrone to McKenna cup glory, a motivational line worthy of McNulty himself.
We should not be shy to applaud the rare occasion when a Tyronite rises above the herd.
Quote from: Main Street on January 02, 2016, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 01, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
Good lad, none of this oul positivity on New Years Day.
Based on last years major improvements through the qualifiers and the influx of a number of AI winning U21s, I'm as hopeful as I've been about Tyrone in a good few years and I hope we do win the McKenna Cup, winning is always better than losing. If you aren't at least a bit more positive about Tyrone today, compared to previous years, then I guess you are doomed to a life of criticising and whinging. But I suppose that's what some boys love doing most!
"Winning is better than losing" could well be the sports psychology, motivational one liner, that will carry a team like Tyrone to McKenna cup glory, a motivational line worthy of McNulty himself.
We should not be shy to applaud the rare occasion when a Tyronite rises above the herd.
I have no idea what you are talking about with regards the motivational stuff but to humour you.....it might be a motivational line that can carry a Tyrone team to defeat against a Monaghan team that shit their pants on all Ireland quarter final day......again! Winning AI quarter finals are definitely better than losing them.
C'mon Tyrone. Bring the Dr home.
Any predictions?
I'll go for
Derry
Tyrone
Donegal
Fermanagh
Cavan
Monaghan
Fermanagh game is off.
Refixed for Wednesday night
Tyrone team:
Morgan
McCrory
Hampsey
HP McGreary
Tierney
Clarke
K McGreary
Conlan
R Donnelly
McShane
P Harte
Sludden
Brennan
O'Neill
Bradley
That's a very dangerous, mobile FF line. What would the average age of that team be? Bound to be 23/24?
Tyrone 1-06 Queens 0-05 Ronan O'Neill with the goal.
Cavan 2 6 to 3 points versus Armagh. Cavan two men sent of.
Anywhere to get info on UUJ win over Monaghan ,team and scorers ?
McKenna Cup Round 1
Derry 4-16 Antrim 2-12 Owenbeg, 2pm FT
Tyrone 3-17 Queens 0-11 Omagh, 2pm FT
Donegal 1-11 Down 0-11 Ballybofey, 2pm FT
Armagh 0-11 Cavan 2-08 Crossmaglen, 2pm FT
Monaghan 1-09 UUJ 2-16 Clones, 2pm
Quote from: larryin89 on January 03, 2016, 04:26:09 PM
Anywhere to get info on UUJ win over Monaghan ,team and scorers ?
Keep an eye on www.northernsound.ie, they will prob have something up soon.
McKenna Cup round-up: Red Hands rampant
03 January 2016
Tyrone maintained their incredible winning record in the Dr McKenna Cup this afternoon by demolishing Queens University, Belfast in Omagh.
Mickey Harte's men done away with a slow start at Healy Park, which saw them trailing by four points early on before rattling off 1-5 without reply, with Ronan O'Neill netting the goal which saw towards into a 1-10 to 0-6 half-time lead.
The one-way traffic continued in the second-half, as the Red Hands introduced Sean Cavanagh to the fray, and despite Down star Martin Clarke being on target for the Belfast students goals at the other end from Jonathan Munroe and Connor McAniskey rounded off the 3-17 to 0-11 win.
In Owenbeg, Derry were equally as impressive in a high-scoring clash against Antrim which finished in their favour in a score-line of 4-16 to 2-12
Liam McGoldrick struck the Oak Leafers' first goal after seven minutes and debutant Shane Heavron would raise the green flag for them again for a 2-8 to 1-7 half-time lead, with Tomas McCann getting the Saffrons' goal just before the break.
Heavorn netted again just 10 seconds into the restart to leave Antrim with a mountain to climb and when Emmet Guckin fired in number four a winning start to Damien Barton's reign was ensured.
Michael Murphy came off the bench in Ballybofey to help Donegal to a 1-11 to 0-11 win over Down.
In what was confirmed as Murphy's 100 appearance for the Tir Chonaill men, it was fellow All-Ireland winner Frank McGlynn's early goal that proved the difference as Rory Gallagher's side held off a brave comeback in the end from the visitors.
Cavan were also made hold on for their first win of 2016, as early goals from Niall McDermott and Chris Conroy had them in an ideal position in Crossmaglen before Joshua Hayes and David Givney both saw red before half-time.
That opened up the door for Armagh in the second-half, as Michael McKenna, Stefan Campbell and Ethan Rafferty stuck points, but they'd lose Charlie Vernon to a black card and Aaron Findon to a red and despite Cavan seeing a third player dismissed in Killian Brady they had enough to see out a 2-8 to 0-14 win.
In Clones, an experimental Monaghan side were humbled by UUJ, whom increased a four-point lead to 2-16 to 1-9 come the final whistle.
Meanwhile, the game between Fermanagh and St Mary's in Enniskillen proved to be the only one out of the 25 scheduled throughout all competitions today to dall victim to weather conditions.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=248524
http://bbc.in/1OERPFk
Dr McKenna Cup: Tyrone and Derry win Section A openers
Holders Tyrone got their defence of the McKenna Cup off to a winning start by beating Queen's University 3-17 to 0-11 in the Section A opener at Healy Park.
Goals from man-of-the-match Ronan O'Neill, Johnny Munroe and Connor McAliskey sealed the students' fate but Kieran McGeary was sent-off late on.
Derry saw off Antrim 4-16 to 2-12 with debutant Shane Heavron scoring two goals in a man-of-the match display.
Liam McGoldrick and Emmett McGuckin with a penalty also found the net.
Tomas McCann scored a goal in each half for the Saffrons, who are now under the joint management of Frank Fitzsimons and Gearoid Adams.
Queen's belied the difficult conditions at Omagh by making a strong start, easing into a 0-5 to 0-1 lead after 15 minutes, with Antrim's Ryan Murray hitting three points.
Lee Brennan's accuracy from frees saw Tyrone claw back the deficit, the Trillick man hitting their first five points.
Michael Monan of Queen's and Tyrone's Conor Clarke contend for possession at Healy Park
Michael Monan of Queen's and Tyrone's Conor Clarke contend for possession at Healy Park
And in the 25th minute, O'Neill slotted home a goal to send the home side in with a 1-10 to 0-6 interval lead.
The Red Hands continued to dominate, and effectively killed the game off with a second goal, rifled home through a cluster of bodies by substitute Munroe in the 48th minute.
Tyrone had to play the final 20 minutes with 14 men following McGeary's second booking, but they saw the game out with scores from Peter Harte, Hugh Pat McVeary and Justin McMahon, before McAliskey fired in a stoppage time goal.
Derry ensured that new manager Damien Barton got his reign off to a winning start by dominating their match at Owenbeg.
First-half goals from McGoldrick and Heavron helped the Oak Leafers to a 2-8 to 1-7 half-time lead.
Heavron added his second just 10 seconds into the second half after a long ball from the impressive James Kielt, and McGuckin converted a penalty.
In the second round of Section A matches, Antrim host Queen's on Wednesday night and Derry face Tyrone next Sunday.
Dr McKenna Cup Section B: Donegal 1-11 0-11 Down
Michael Murphy's made his 100th Donegal appearance as Rory Gallagher's side edged out Down 1-11 to 0-11 in the Dr McKenna Cup opener at Ballybofey.
Second-half substitute Murphy's late point helped an experimental Donegal side hold off a committed Down outfit.
Frank McGlynn's early goal contributed to Donegal's 1-3 to 0-4 half-time lead.
Ciaran Thompson's third point helped Donegal move five ahead but Down kept battling and Donegal needed late Murphy and McGlynn points to stay clear.
Donegal boss Rory Gallagher named five debutants Jack O'Brien, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Ciaran Thompson, Stephen McBrearty and Michael Carroll while Cathal Doyle, Joe McDermott, Joe Murphy and Gareth Johnson made their first Down appearances as Eamonn Burns took charge of the Mourne County for the first time.
McGlynn lobbed in Donegal's goal in the opening minute after being found by Odhran MacNiallais.
Peter Turley had an immediate chance to level from a Down goal chance but fired over the bar and two Thompson points helped Donegal lead by two at half-time with debutant Johnson and Aidan Carr among the Down first-half scorers.
Johnson added another Down point immediately after the restart but the visitors missed other scoring chances and Donegal increased their advantage to three with Martin O'Reilly, Hugh McFadden and man of the match Thompson all on target.
Donegal went close to notching a second goal as a fierce Jack O'Brien shot hit the underside of the crossbar with suggestions the ball may have bounced over the line before being cleared.
As Paddy McGrath hit what is believed to be his first ever inter-county point, Donegal appeared to be in command as they moved five clear but a Shane Dolan point started a Down revival as Donegal needed the late Murphy and McGlynn scores to keep the Mourne men at bay.
Murphy received a big cheer from the home crowd as he was introduced with 16 minutes remaining.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/35217342
Maggie May wait up.......... Game postponed
Female referee Maggie Farrelly to take charge of McKenna Cup fixture
Maggie Farrelly will make history on 3 January when she becomes the first female referee to take charge of a senior inter-county game.
The Cavan woman will throw the ball in at the Dr McKenna Cup match between Fermanagh and St Mary's at Brewster Park, Enniskillen.
Farrelly has previously refereed in quarter-finals and semi-finals of the Cavan Senior Football Championship.
In 2012, she was a sideline official for an Ulster Club Senior Football tie.
Last year she became the first female to take charge of an inter-county game when she was in the middle for the Ulster minor Championship fixture between Fermanagh and Antrim.
Despite only taking up refereeing in 2008, she joined the Ulster GAA Referee Academy in 2011.
Her first final came the following year, when she refereed the Cavan All-County League decider.
In 2014, she refereed the county Under-21 final, the All-Ireland Ladies' Senior Final and was named Ulster GAA Referee of the Year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/35159385
See video from today in Ballybofey..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/02/news/liveblog-mckenna-cup-donegal-v-down-370372/?param=ds441rif44T
Seemed to be a free-taking extravaganza in the first half in the Tyrone/Queens game.
Quote from: Any craic on January 03, 2016, 05:44:52 PM
See video from today in Ballybofey..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/02/news/liveblog-mckenna-cup-donegal-v-down-370372/?param=ds441rif44T
Highlights from Derry game here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/35218110
Here's a voice over report from the Donegal-Down game with some good scores and a slip by poor old Michael Murphy on his 100th appearance..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/02/news/liveblog-mckenna-cup-donegal-v-down-370372/?param=ds441rif44T?param=ds441rif44T (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/02/news/liveblog-mckenna-cup-donegal-v-down-370372/?param=ds441rif44T?param=ds441rif44T)
Armagh managed to lose at home to a Cavan side playing with 13 men from before half time and who saw out the game with only 12 players!!! :o
Word is that Armagh had a tactic to get as many Cavan players sent off as possible but that didn't work so they levelled it up and that worked better.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 04, 2016, 02:07:17 AM
Armagh managed to lose at home to a Cavan side playing with 13 men from before half time and who saw out the game with only 12 players!!! :o
Yes and Armagh finished with 13, Cavan's third man sending off was v late on. How did Antrim get on yesterday?
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Word is that Armagh had a tactic to get as many Cavan players sent off as possible but that didn't work so they levelled it up and that worked better.
There u r itchy...you're a genius.
Nice to see so many new faces for Donegal. May as well let them loose, at least from here until the break in the league.
The likes of Thompson, O'Brien, and McBrearty looked at a good level yesterday, and with quite a few of the new players out (including Carr & McClenaghan, who both have real potential) it's very positive. I wonder if, the day after one Burtonport man's defeat in the UFC, the most immediately important thing might have been Danny Rodgers' debut in goals though.
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Word is that Armagh had a tactic to get as many Cavan players sent off as possible but that didn't work so they levelled it up and that worked better.
Word is Cavan thought they would flex their muscles, as usual, but ref took appropriate action! 3 men sent off in 1 game for off-the-ball antics - must be a record! Cant see that tactic being very successful as the year progresses! I think this might be a case of Cavan winning the battle but Armagh could win the war! Hyland on the way out! ::)
Quote from: jp2020 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Word is that Armagh had a tactic to get as many Cavan players sent off as possible but that didn't work so they levelled it up and that worked better.
Word is Cavan thought they would flex their muscles, as usual, but ref took appropriate action! 3 men sent off in 1 game for off-the-ball antics - must be a record! Cant see that tactic being very successful as the year progresses! I think this might be a case of Cavan winning the battle but Armagh could win the war! Hyland on the way out! ::)
I doubt Armagh will win very much
Quote from: Conallach on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Nice to see so many new faces for Donegal. May as well let them loose, at least from here until the break in the league.
The likes of Thompson, O'Brien, and McBrearty looked at a good level yesterday, and with quite a few of the new players out (including Carr & McClenaghan, who both have real potential) it's very positive. I wonder if, the day after one Burtonport man's defeat in the UFC, the most immediately important thing might have been Danny Rodgers' debut in goals though.
Young Carr appears to be very highly rated. Still a minor though, right?
Rory should have begun this process last year, but hopefully now we'll see a good bit of youth introduced, at least for the league. Does Division 1 status matter THAT much? And while it is an easier run at the Ulster final this year, it's hard to see us winning it with the same aging team a year older.
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2016, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: Conallach on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Nice to see so many new faces for Donegal. May as well let them loose, at least from here until the break in the league.
The likes of Thompson, O'Brien, and McBrearty looked at a good level yesterday, and with quite a few of the new players out (including Carr & McClenaghan, who both have real potential) it's very positive. I wonder if, the day after one Burtonport man's defeat in the UFC, the most immediately important thing might have been Danny Rodgers' debut in goals though.
Young Carr appears to be very highly rated. Still a minor though, right?
Rory should have begun this process last year, but hopefully now we'll see a good bit of youth introduced, at least for the league. Does Division 1 status matter THAT much? And while it is an easier run at the Ulster final this year, it's hard to see us winning it with the same aging team a year older.
Surely he cant play at senior level if he is still a minor?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 04, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2016, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: Conallach on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Nice to see so many new faces for Donegal. May as well let them loose, at least from here until the break in the league.
The likes of Thompson, O'Brien, and McBrearty looked at a good level yesterday, and with quite a few of the new players out (including Carr & McClenaghan, who both have real potential) it's very positive. I wonder if, the day after one Burtonport man's defeat in the UFC, the most immediately important thing might have been Danny Rodgers' debut in goals though.
Young Carr appears to be very highly rated. Still a minor though, right?
Rory should have begun this process last year, but hopefully now we'll see a good bit of youth introduced, at least for the league. Does Division 1 status matter THAT much? And while it is an easier run at the Ulster final this year, it's hard to see us winning it with the same aging team a year older.
Surely he cant play at senior level if he is still a minor?
correct
Quote from: redhandefender on January 04, 2016, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Word is that Armagh had a tactic to get as many Cavan players sent off as possible but that didn't work so they levelled it up and that worked better.
Word is Cavan thought they would flex their muscles, as usual, but ref took appropriate action! 3 men sent off in 1 game for off-the-ball antics - must be a record! Cant see that tactic being very successful as the year progresses! I think this might be a case of Cavan winning the battle but Armagh could win the war! Hyland on the way out! ::)
I doubt Armagh will win very much
For the record, Im not from Armagh - And No they wont win much but I think theyll beat Cavan come championship, which is what I meant.
Oh and also for the record, as for Tyrone (my county) we have bagged the O'fee Cup, will probably take the McKenna Cup AGAIN and that will be our lot this year! Time for MH to go, along with Hyland - but thats for another thread! :o
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 04, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
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Quote from: Conallach on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Nice to see so many new faces for Donegal. May as well let them loose, at least from here until the break in the league.
The likes of Thompson, O'Brien, and McBrearty looked at a good level yesterday, and with quite a few of the new players out (including Carr & McClenaghan, who both have real potential) it's very positive. I wonder if, the day after one Burtonport man's defeat in the UFC, the most immediately important thing might have been Danny Rodgers' debut in goals though.
Young Carr appears to be very highly rated. Still a minor though, right?
Rory should have begun this process last year, but hopefully now we'll see a good bit of youth introduced, at least for the league. Does Division 1 status matter THAT much? And while it is an easier run at the Ulster final this year, it's hard to see us winning it with the same aging team a year older.
Surely he cant play at senior level if he is still a minor?
McBrearty and Murphy did.
Think Darragh O'Connor was just out of minor.
Have the rules changed?
Anyway, I'm not sure if he (Carr) will still be minor this summer.
The rules have changed but my understanding is that young Carr is now out of minors. He was playing in the Ulster club minors but that was for the last season and is not eligible any more.
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2016, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 04, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2016, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: Conallach on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Nice to see so many new faces for Donegal. May as well let them loose, at least from here until the break in the league.
The likes of Thompson, O'Brien, and McBrearty looked at a good level yesterday, and with quite a few of the new players out (including Carr & McClenaghan, who both have real potential) it's very positive. I wonder if, the day after one Burtonport man's defeat in the UFC, the most immediately important thing might have been Danny Rodgers' debut in goals though.
Young Carr appears to be very highly rated. Still a minor though, right?
Rory should have begun this process last year, but hopefully now we'll see a good bit of youth introduced, at least for the league. Does Division 1 status matter THAT much? And while it is an easier run at the Ulster final this year, it's hard to see us winning it with the same aging team a year older.
Surely he cant play at senior level if he is still a minor?
McBrearty and Murphy did.
Think Darragh O'Connor was just out of minor.
Have the rules changed?
Anyway, I'm not sure if he (Carr) will still be minor this summer.
yessir. you have to have turned 17 before 31 Dec to play senior club and 18 before 31 Dec to play county senior in the forthcoming season
Thanks, wasn't aware of the change.
Here's new video from Ballybofey, with interviews with big Michael, Eamonn Burns, Rory Gallagher and Frank McGlynn.. https://www.facebook.com/irishnewssport/videos/585422001611980/?pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/irishnewssport/videos/585422001611980/?pnref=story)
Quote from: jp2020 on January 04, 2016, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 04, 2016, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: jp2020 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
Word is that Armagh had a tactic to get as many Cavan players sent off as possible but that didn't work so they levelled it up and that worked better.
Word is Cavan thought they would flex their muscles, as usual, but ref took appropriate action! 3 men sent off in 1 game for off-the-ball antics - must be a record! Cant see that tactic being very successful as the year progresses! I think this might be a case of Cavan winning the battle but Armagh could win the war! Hyland on the way out! ::)
I doubt Armagh will win very much
For the record, Im not from Armagh - And No they wont win much but I think theyll beat Cavan come championship, which is what I meant.
Oh and also for the record, as for Tyrone (my county) we have bagged the O'fee Cup, will probably take the McKenna Cup AGAIN and that will be our lot this year! Time for MH to go, along with Hyland - but thats for another thread! :o
Aye you'd imagine Armagh might send out some men in the championship rather than the wee girls they had on Sunday.
Nice picture on independent.ie of Ciaran McKeever eye gouging.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 08:57:52 PM
Nice picture on independent.ie of Ciaran McKeever eye gouging.
Link here http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/five-players-sent-off-as-cavan-edge-past-armagh-34332755.html
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 08:57:52 PM
Nice picture on independent.ie of Ciaran McKeever eye gouging.
Link here http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/five-players-sent-off-as-cavan-edge-past-armagh-34332755.html
Quare stuff.... McKeever is a one random sc**bag on a pitch, he covers up his lack of footballing ability by trying to create as much drama and controversy as possible, and the Neanderthals that have been managing Armagh think that its great for morale.
On the other hand I could be being unfair as photos dont prove a thing, there is also the possibility that he was helping him to blow his nose.
Mr Deeds as Omaghjoe eventually said a still picture proves nothing. As a Cavan man you should be more concerned with how 3 of your players got sent off for off the ball incidents - and against the less physical of the Armagh players.
On a separate note. In the build up to the second Cavan goal an Armagh player running back to cover was 'taken out' by a Cavan player. Cavan scored a goal in the same move and then the referee, on advice from the linesman, sent the Cavan player off. This proved the decisive score in the game. Now in the McKenna Cup this means very little but if it happened in the championship there would be hell to pay. Is there any rule were the goal could have been disallowed?
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 04, 2016, 10:51:35 PM
Quare stuff.... McKeever is a one random sc**bag on a pitch, he covers up his lack of footballing ability by trying to create as much drama and controversy as possible, and the Neanderthals that have been managing Armagh think that its great for morale.
On the other hand I could be being unfair as photos dont prove a thing, there is also the possibility that he was helping him to blow his nose.
You do realise that this is a big trick. Your "convinced" "attack" on a player from a
made up area because he is from the
made up area.
People in Crossmaglen (for example) have little to no relation with people in Craigavon but are convinced somehow to pay money to watch "Armagh" play. McKenna Cup - named after a Bishop - (obviously it would be free into a Mother Teresa Cup) - 8 quid or so per person for which there is a fine in horseracing -
Rule 212 Ireland - Using the Racecourse as a means of training a horse - plus the travel and what you might buy inside the ground.
Think of the mugs who will pay into Leinster Championship games in the early Rounds this year already in the knowledge that Dublin will win.
Stick with your Club. The Professional Era of Corporate GAA has made money paying mugs of a lot of people in Ireland. Go and do something useful with your wife, children, friends.... but don't fall for this nonsense.
With the seeming New Corporate Order at the top of the GAA so much of which was true in the past has become sullied and destroyed.
Family and friends and Club will be with you until you die - Corporate GAA will just count your cash - a number who paid in - not a valued person.
Sad yes but it has now happened - a lot of values which we still hold have gone - at the top - don't encourage them more - look after your own - the old people were correct in their thinking and it worked for whole communities that way.
Volunteerism - of which we are sure to hear a lot about this year also involved looking after your own people/area/family first. Do not waste money that would benefit your own in these austere times - or indeed in any other times.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on January 04, 2016, 10:51:35 PM
Quare stuff.... McKeever is a one random sc**bag on a pitch, he covers up his lack of footballing ability by trying to create as much drama and controversy as possible, and the Neanderthals that have been managing Armagh think that its great for morale.
On the other hand I could be being unfair as photos dont prove a thing, there is also the possibility that he was helping him to blow his nose.
You do realise that this is a big trick. Your "convinced" "attack" on a player from a made up area because he is from the made up area.
People in Crossmaglen (for example) have little to no relation with people in Craigavon but are convinced somehow to pay money to watch "Armagh" play. McKenna Cup - named after a Bishop - (obviously it would be free into a Mother Teresa Cup) - 8 quid or so per person for which there is a fine in horseracing - Rule 212 Ireland - Using the Racecourse as a means of training a horse - plus the travel and what you might buy inside the ground.
Think of the mugs who will pay into Leinster Championship games in the early Rounds this year already in the knowledge that Dublin will win.
Stick with your Club. The Professional Era of Corporate GAA has made money paying mugs of a lot of people in Ireland. Go and do something useful with your wife, children, friends.... but don't fall for this nonsense.
With the seeming New Corporate Order at the top of the GAA so much of which was true in the past has become sullied and destroyed.
Family and friends and Club will be with you until you die - Corporate GAA will just count your cash - a number who paid in - not a valued person.
Sad yes but it has now happened - a lot of values which we still hold have gone - at the top - don't encourage them more - look after your own - the old people were correct in their thinking and it worked for whole communities that way.
Volunteerism - of which we are sure to hear a lot about this year also involved looking after your own people/area/family first. Do not waste money that would benefit your own in these austere times - or indeed in any other times.
FFS sake I was just looking to wind up a few apple munchers
And yes I do realise it is "made up" as you put it.
Supporting a team is a choice, and I am choosing to be partisan about them.
But then isnt Crosmaglen just made up as well? What in common do the McConville's have with Kernan's? Why should they team up with each other just because they live in the same locality? They are different families after all?
You see we have created this thing called society since we are social beings so we create ways to live together and make life better or more bearable by working together.
The Irish counties are based upon various governance systems of this island and it involved grouping together various areas so that they could be administratively governed. The same could be said for parishes and if you really want to back far enough along the evolutionary trail you could throw the bloody familiy system into that as well.
Anyway the GAA structure actually promotes togetherness at all levels, club county and ultimately the umbrella of country. As for the county level being corporate it definitely does appear to have the feel of corporate methods, but ultimately the goal is not the bottom line with the GAA its to promote the ideals of the organisation, so its not like its Goldman Sachs we are dealing with. IMO the county system apart from being a big revenue generater for grassroots investment, is also a vital outlet for talent and supporters as well.
Anyway my point is nearly everything in life all an artificial creation but I dont see why that is a reason not to adhere to it.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 04, 2016, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 08:57:52 PM
Nice picture on independent.ie of Ciaran McKeever eye gouging.
Link here http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/five-players-sent-off-as-cavan-edge-past-armagh-34332755.html
Quare stuff.... McKeever is a one random sc**bag on a pitch, he covers up his lack of footballing ability by trying to create as much drama and controversy as possible, and the Neanderthals that have been managing Armagh think that its great for morale.
On the other hand I could be being unfair as photos dont prove a thing, there is also the possibility that he was helping him to blow his nose.
Findon is the worst of the lot of them, seems like a half decent player but gets involved in everything going
Quote from: Throw ball on January 05, 2016, 12:44:45 AM
Mr Deeds as Omaghjoe eventually said a still picture proves nothing. As a Cavan man you should be more concerned with how 3 of your players got sent off for off the ball incidents - and against the less physical of the Armagh players.
On a separate note. In the build up to the second Cavan goal an Armagh player running back to cover was 'taken out' by a Cavan player. Cavan scored a goal in the same move and then the referee, on advice from the linesman, sent the Cavan player off. This proved the decisive score in the game. Now in the McKenna Cup this means very little but if it happened in the championship there would be hell to pay. Is there any rule were the goal could have been disallowed?
What difference does it make which of the Armagh players these incidents were against? You are right however that Cavan will need to sort out their discipline as ultimately it cost them last year. They lost 2 matches in the league last year after being reduced to 14 men (against Kildare and Down) which cost them promotion to Div 1 and were knocked out of the championship by Roscommon when Mossy Corr was sent off before the start of the second half. The last red card was not off the ball but was fully deserved. Ciaran McKeever was very lucky to stay on the field when he took Liam Buchanan out with a closed fist in front of the stand about 10 mins into the second half.
Don't think there is anything the referee can do in terms of the incident which led to the goal as he didn't see it and had to allow play to continue until the linesman brought it to his attention. All play up until that point stands.
If I was an Armagh man I'd be concerned with the fact that they played with 2 extra men for around 50 minutes and still couldn't win the match against a very inexperienced Cavan side.
Quote from: redhandefender on January 05, 2016, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 04, 2016, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2016, 08:57:52 PM
Nice picture on independent.ie of Ciaran McKeever eye gouging.
Link here http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/five-players-sent-off-as-cavan-edge-past-armagh-34332755.html
Quare stuff.... McKeever is a one random sc**bag on a pitch, he covers up his lack of footballing ability by trying to create as much drama and controversy as possible, and the Neanderthals that have been managing Armagh think that its great for morale.
On the other hand I could be being unfair as photos dont prove a thing, there is also the possibility that he was helping him to blow his nose.
Findon is the worst of the lot of them, seems like a half decent player but gets involved in everything going
True. He can be his own worst enemy at times
On a different topic, who the hell designed the Queens jerseys. Absolutely brutal
See all four goals from tonight's Antrim-Queens game, including one fluke, 3 crackers and a cheeky lob to finish it off by Brian Neeson..
https://www.facebook.com/irishnewssport/posts/586276668193180?fref=nf&pnref=story
And if a person is rich as most on this Board seem to be - then they can look after Club - first - always first - but after - family/friends - and accept the McKenna Cup for what it is and enjoy every last moment of it.
Would Mungo Jerry get played on the radio now - probably more during Championships time in Ireland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p11VE9_Hrs
"Have a drink, have a drive
Go out and see what you can find"
Dodgy stuff.
Cavan 3-6 UUJ 0-5 at half time. Paul O Connor on as a sub, scores 2-1 and then gets a black card as the ref was conned by a Kieran Hughes dive.
St Mary's catch Donegal defence asleep with a goal with 2 minutes left to take the lead. Two more quick points after that.
Donegal 0-8 St Marys 2-6
Awful stuff according to Highland commentary
All over 0-8 to 2-6
Donegal kick the game away.
No McKenna Cup this year! :P
Down are not good .
I assume that was not full strength as Fermanagh were missing quite a few
Video: See all 5 goals from Derry-Tyrone this afternoon..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/08/news/liveblog-derry-v-tyrone-in-the-mckenna-cup-376751/ (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/08/news/liveblog-derry-v-tyrone-in-the-mckenna-cup-376751/)
Quote from: FermGael on January 10, 2016, 03:48:55 PM
Down are not good .
I assume that was not full strength as Fermanagh were missing quite a few
How did Fermanagh line out? Any newbies look like they could make an impact this season? In fairness, I see that Quigley and Corrigan started and they'd be our two main forwards. McCusker and Mulrone also played and they'd also be two starters.
Quote from: Any craic on January 10, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
Video: See all 5 goals from Derry-Tyrone this afternoon..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/08/news/liveblog-derry-v-tyrone-in-the-mckenna-cup-376751/ (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/08/news/liveblog-derry-v-tyrone-in-the-mckenna-cup-376751/)
First class any craic and more importantly an online boost for Derry ;) Pity they lost the game 1-16 to 4-6. That first penalty looked generous too :o
Fermgael
Down had a few starters but pretty much that would be it
Kane,Mooney,Boyle,o Hanlon,McGovern would have played championship last year
The rest will not play any league football this year even
Not good enough
Fermanagh looked will drilled
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Quote from: FermGael on January 10, 2016, 03:48:55 PM
Down are not good .
I assume that was not full strength as Fermanagh were missing quite a few
How did Fermanagh line out? Any newbies look like they could make an impact this season? In fairness, I see that Quigley and Corrigan started and they'd be our two main forwards. McCusker and Mulrone also played and they'd also be two starters.
Played well but down were poor
Missing R Jones, clucker, cassidy, donnelly, ocallaghan , o brien, r corrigan, tracey of the top of my head from last year's main team.
Ryan hannah looked decent as did conal Jones around the middle. Breen played well in defence. Quigley and Corrigan looked sharp which is good as we need to hit the ground running against Derry
Hard to tell really but down didn't really look that bothered if I am being honest
That was a joke of a decision for the first penalty, great save at the feet of the Derry man. Good to get another result over our northern 'friends' even though it was a Mickey mouse game. Nine points down at half time and to come back (especially conceding a goal so late) was satisfying. Double figure wides and conceding four goals need to be ironed out. Very young team out again so happy to see a bit of fighting spirit.
Have a look at the low, side view of the penalty incident on this new video from the game. It shows that the keeper got an awful lot of the player. I know the other angle shows that he touched the ball first but it's still a penalty for most referees..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/08/news/liveblog-derry-v-tyrone-in-the-mckenna-cup-376751/?param=ds441rif44T (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/08/news/liveblog-derry-v-tyrone-in-the-mckenna-cup-376751/?param=ds441rif44T)
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 10, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
That was a joke of a decision for the first penalty, great save at the feet of the Derry man. Good to get another result over our northern 'friends' even though it was a Mickey mouse game. Nine points down at half time and to come back (especially conceding a goal so late) was satisfying. Double figure wides and conceding four goals need to be ironed out. Very young team out again so happy to see a bit of fighting spirit.
2.4 to 1.5 at ht so I make that 2 points in it. First penalty was completely justified and a correct call.
Whilst Tyrone weren't 9 points down at half time, they were shortly before it. Humiliating for Derry to lose a home game when 9 points up. Great stuff! :)
Erm, lads, remember Armagh 2014. Keep yer powder dry for a while.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 10, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
Whilst Tyrone we're 9 points down at half time, they were shortly before it. Humiliating for Derry to lose a home game when 9 points up. Great stuff! :)
You're in a healthy place when you're living off another counties victory in the McKenna cup.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 10, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
Whilst Tyrone we're 9 points down at half time, they were shortly before it. Humiliating for Derry to lose a home game when 9 points up. Great stuff! :)
Think it was 2-4 to 0-1 at that point. 1-15 to 2-2 thereafter. 4 goals though, that will need a bit of attention ;D
Quote from: lenny on January 10, 2016, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 10, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
That was a joke of a decision for the first penalty, great save at the feet of the Derry man. Good to get another result over our northern 'friends' even though it was a Mickey mouse game. Nine points down at half time and to come back (especially conceding a goal so late) was satisfying. Double figure wides and conceding four goals need to be ironed out. Very young team out again so happy to see a bit of fighting spirit.
2.4 to 1.5 at ht so I make that 2 points in it. First penalty was completely justified and a correct call.
You know what I mean!
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2016, 10:53:40 PM
Erm, lads, remember Armagh 2014. Keep yer powder dry for a while.
We're only trying get a rise from the Derry wans. Not a bite though. Is there a sports psychologist advising the Derry posters on here.
Quote from: redcard on January 10, 2016, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2016, 10:53:40 PM
Erm, lads, remember Armagh 2014. Keep yer powder dry for a while.
We're only trying get a rise from the Derry wans. Not a bite though. Is there a sports psychologist advising the Derry posters on here.
Joe Brolly got speaking to his cousin Brian on the 'qt' and got him in touch with the best one about.
for the 50 travelling, the Derry v Queens match is now being played @ Celtic Pk tomorrow night, throw in 8pm
Here's the video of the goals from Omagh tonight, just click on the link and the video is at the top of the page.. http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/13/news/live-updates-as-tyrone-take-on-antrim-in-healy-park-381561/?param=ds441rif44T
Great pass in the move for the first goal from Bradley. McNulty a proper option at FF? League will give a better answer to that I suppose
Tidy score from young Brennan tho he was lucky to get away with the steps at the start
I said last year and people scoffed when I said brennan is ready to go now over Mc Curry or Mc Caliskey! People saying they were miles ahead. He is the real deal and nothing seems to faze him!
Mc Nulty's game is to run so think full forward not the place for him. Although would still like an alternative to mc caliskey in there, he is to hit and miss
I didn't scoff because he is what we need and we need more of it. My biggest criticism of the Tyrone full forward line the past few years has been their inability of getting the ball, turning and going for goal. Brennan will do that and hopefully we get some other players at it as well. Recycling the ball from FF to on running players is well and good but you have to have more than that up your sleeve.
Impressive enough win by Fermanagh last night considering the team we had on.
Probably the strongest team we have played this year but still quite a few men to come back.
Pete really has used the McKenna cup very well this year again and has found a few good young players in McGovern, Hanna and Conal Jones who seems to be kicking on after a good year with Derrygonnelly. Good to see our panel depth increasing.
Sunday will tell the tale as we try and stop Tyrone's Drive for 5.
Coin toss this morning for venue.
No coin toss.
Game is in Clones.
Derry and Cavan is in Armagh
Quote from: FermGael on January 14, 2016, 11:17:27 AM
No coin toss.
Game is in Clones.
Derry and Cavan is in Armagh
What in the name of God, Clones? Have it in Enniskillen for gods sake, such a trek in this weather
On reflection from last night's game, Brennan and Mc Geary certainly don't look out of place on the county set-up. Have to say though, that Antrim were possibly the worst county team I have seen in almost 40 years of watching inter-county football.
Quote from: everymanaman on January 14, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
On reflection from last night's game, Brennan and Mc Geary certainly don't look out of place on the county set-up. Have to say though, that Antrim were possibly the worst county team I have seen in almost 40 years of watching inter-county football.
If they were that bad how come ye could only score 2-9?? Let see honest the first goal was rather fortunate.
QuoteOn reflection from last night's game, Brennan and Mc Geary certainly don't look out of place on the county set-up. Have to say though, that Antrim were possibly the worst county team I have seen in almost 40 years of watching inter-county football.
You've not seen Armagh under McGeeney then I take it?
Everyman, that's just ridiculous. Antrim were middling enough on the night, emptying the bench with players who didn't get any game time previously. Twelve Antrim players declaring for university too, would make a big difference.
What was the score in 35 minutes of the second half? It was four points each - hardly one way traffic! Antrim owned the ball for long periods too but finishing let us down. But credit to Tyrone, yis are back on track, a well drilled outfit to be fair.
It took Antrim 33 minutes to score in the first half. Their last 4 points were in the closing stages. They didn't score from play. Their handling skills and conditioning were very poor in my humble opinion. Tyrone never got out of first gear because they didn't have to.
Tyrone are a brilliant McKenna Cup Team!
Quote from: The Trap on January 15, 2016, 10:29:27 AM
Tyrone are a brilliant McKenna Cup Team!
Very insightful. Right from the Pat Spillane school of punditry
Don't be getting to worked up everymanaman, its only the McKenna Cup!
We are in rough shape obviously, I was hoping we could reach the AIQF in 2016 but I think we will be two and done and I expect McGeeney to walk if that happens.
In October Damian Barton selected 50 players in his provisional Senior football panel for 2016.Apart from the college-tied players many of this panel have so far seen varying lengths of game - time in the McKenna Cup ties.This is very understandable and undoubtedly good practice both from a Management point of view and the perspective of the players.Damian also said that for a variety of reasons Niall Holly,Patsdy Bradley and Gerard O'Kane would not be available for the
Quote from: Derry Optimist on January 15, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
In October Damian Barton selected 50 players in his provisional Senior football panel for 2016.Apart from the college-tied players many of this panel have so far seen varying lengths of game - time in the McKenna Cup ties.This is very understandable and undoubtedly good practice both from a Management point of view and the perspective of the players.Damian also said that for a variety of reasons Niall Holly,Patsdy Bradley and Gerard O'Kane would not be available for the
... go on, we're on tenterhooks here
Quote from: stew on January 15, 2016, 03:02:06 PM
We are in rough shape obviously, I was hoping we could reach the AIQF in 2016 but I think we will be two and done and I expect McGeeney to walk if that happens.
Premature despair, Stew.
Not even the McKenna cup wooden spoon is a badge of dishonour.
A little Tempo bird told me today that Fermanagh are very up for this year's McKenna Cup. That 1997 was a long time ago.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 15, 2016, 10:02:28 PM
A little Tempo bird told me today that Fermanagh are very up for this year's McKenna Cup. That 1997 was a long time ago.
Rubbish there's no such thing
Good to get out and mix with the Fermanagh ones. Sorta like going back in time.
Quote from: ONeill on January 15, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
Good to get out and mix with the Fermanagh ones. Sorta like going back in time.
it will take a inch or two from your stride
Quote from: FermGael on January 15, 2016, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 15, 2016, 10:02:28 PM
A little Tempo bird told me today that Fermanagh are very up for this year's McKenna Cup. That 1997 was a long time ago.
Rubbish there's no such thing
;D
The Cavan v Derry game is live on Linwoods Armagh TV at a cost of £3
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/
Quote from: Throw ball on January 17, 2016, 12:27:48 PM
The Cavan v Derry game is live on Linwoods Armagh TV at a cost of £3
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/
£3?? With the way the sterling is?? Anyone want to go halves... ;)
How reliable so this, had the game there, then it disappeared, and i have a broadband high speed connection?,
Oops got it again
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
How reliable so this, had the game there, then it disappeared, and i have a broadband high speed connection?,
Oops got it again
It can be great, but is generally not bad.
Well Halftime score Derry 1.10 Cavan 0.06, Derry missed a sitter of an open goal and 2 fairly scorable frees, well in control but should be further in front. Why cavan play with 13 in defence with the keeper and 1 up front i never know
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2016, 02:43:23 PM
Well Halftime score Derry 1.10 Cavan 0.06, Derry missed a sitter of an open goal and 2 fairly scorable frees, well in control but should be further in front. Why cavan play with 13 in defence with the keeper and 1 up front i never know
Lack of quality attackers.
A manager committed to zero risk and zero imagiation.
A manager committed to a tactical set up that gives little encouragement to an attacker
Any news on tyrone game?
FT Derry 1.17, Cavan 1.10,
Tyrone won 1-13 to 9 points
Playing Derry 5 times in 1 year (never mind the possibility of a backdoor match) is a pain in the hole
How's the Drive for 5 Commemorative plate set coming along? I've a man looking a set.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 17, 2016, 08:36:09 PM
How's the Dive for 5 Commemorative plate set coming along? I've a man looking a set.
Fixed that for you benny
Mickey'll have to get his thinking cap on to offer Emmett McGuckin something new he hasn't seen on a field before.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 17, 2016, 08:36:09 PM
How's the Drive for 5 Commemorative plate set coming along? I've a man looking a set.
Really we arent too worried about 5 consecutive Mc Kenna Cups or the 'drive for 5' as some of our neighbours have labeled it.
We are really more interested in getting our hands on our 4th Sam to tell you the truth. Weather that be this year next year or in 5 or 10 years time. (But hopefully it will be sooner rather than later).
http://bbc.in/1nrDFvd
Dr McKenna Cup: Tyrone and Derry earn comfortable semi-final wins
Dr McKenna Cup semi-final: Tyrone started slowly, says Mickey Harte
Five-in-a-row seeking Tyrone will meet Derry in the Dr McKenna Cup final in Armagh next Saturday after both earned comfortable semi-final wins on Sunday.
Fermanagh led the Red Hands 0-3 to 0-0 but Connor McAliskey's goal helped Tyrone win 1-13 to 0-9 with Erne star Eoin Donnelly's red card a factor.
Ryan Bell's first-half penalty put Derry on the way to their 1-17 to 1-10 victory over Cavan at Armagh.
Killian Clarke hit Cavan's second-half goal but it was a mere consolation.
An upset looked on the cards early on at Clones as Fermanagh's 2015 All-Star nominee Sean Quigley hit the opening three points but after Mark Bradley opened Tyrone's account in the 16th minute, the Red Hands fought back to level at 0-4 to 0-4 by half-time.
Fermanagh boss Peter McGrath says Eoin Donnelly had been the best player on the field prior to his sending-off in the McKenna Cup semi-final against Tyrone
The half-time introduction of Sean Cavanagh, Mattie Donnelly and Ronan McNamee added further impetus to the Red Hand performance.
Frees from McAliskey and Bradley edged Tyrone two ahead before Fermanagh suffered a major blow when midfielder Eoin Donnelly - who had been arguably the best player on the pitch - was sent off after getting a second yellow card.
A Cavanagh point helped Tyrone extend their lead to five and any slim prospect of a Fermanagh fightback was ended when McAliskey volleyed to the net after the Erne keeper could only palm out a flicked Cavanagh effort.
Tyrone's Rory Brennan received a straight red card in the closing stages after a clash with Fermanagh's Ciaran Flaherty but it made no difference as the Red Hands held on for a comfortable win.
Ryan Bell stars for Derry in win over Cavan
Damian Barton delighted with Derry progress as they win McKenna Cup semi-final
Derry were equally emphatic winners at Armagh as they reached their first McKenna Cup decider in five years.
Damian Barton's side scored 1-4 in a six-minute spell in the first half to take control, man of the match Bell slotting a penalty after 21 minutes as he finished with 1-5, with all his points coming from play.
The sides were level four times in the first quarter, with Gearoid McKiernan's left-footed wonder point from near the touchline putting Cavan ahead 0-4 to 0-3 after 15 minutes.
From there, Derry completely took over and outscored the Breffni side by 1-7 to 0-2 in the 20 minutes before half time.
Derry dominated around the middle and broke forward in numbers, moving the ball at pace in an eye-catching display as James Kielt, Conor Kearns and Enda Lynn (two) also all scored from play.
Cavan's Killian Clarke tackles Derry's Enda Lynn at the Athletic Grounds
Enda Lynn was part of an impressive Derry attack at the Athletic Grounds
Cavan manager Terry Hyland responded by bringing on Eugene Keating, who recently returned to the squad after opting out last year, and Niall McDermott to sharpen his attack for the second half.
The Breffni scored of the first three points after the break through Jack Brady (free) and Conor Moynagh but Derry never looked like being caught.
Cavan did score a goal in the 53rd minute with a tidy finish from Clarke but Derry continued to largely dominate with Bell and full-forward partner Cailean O'Boyle both scoring superb long-range points.
Seanie Johnston hit a late point, which was his first score since his return to the Cavan team for the first time since 2011 but Derry were comfortable winners.
Derry's new tactic seems to be diving for penalties to gain an advantage. Do their forwards have Stevie G as a role model perhaps?
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 17, 2016, 11:43:02 PM
Derry's new tactic seems to be diving for penalties to gain an advantage. Do their forwards have Stevie G as a role model perhaps?
Why look to soccer when we can look to our neighbouring McKenna Cup kingpins for inspiration. Take your pick from Canavan, Jordan, Cavanagh (both) or McCann . . . ;D ;D
In what matches were there dives? Not the Tyrone game, as you could see from the Irish News footage. Is it the Cavan game? Didn't see it.
Very competitive in the first half. Probably should have been a few more ahead because we really did boss possession.
Eoin Donnelly was dominating midfield but we kicked too much silly ball on top of our full forward line.
A bit more patience was needed at times to break down the Tyrone defensive system.
The Tyrone second half subs of Matty Donnelly and Sean Cavanagh really did turn the game.
Coupled with Eoin getting a second Yellow after 10 minutes and then conceding a very soft goal it really was game over.
Few new men found and I think about 5 or 6 players who I would expect to start to hopefully come back before the start of the league, its been a good campaign for us.
Hopefully those players are all back from injury because they are the more physical players in our team and they will be needed for the Meath game at home.
We have Derry away first but they seem to be flying this year and it will be a hard ask to get anything from that game.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 17, 2016, 11:43:02 PM
Derry's new tactic seems to be diving for penalties to gain an advantage. Do their forwards have Stevie G as a role model perhaps?
Inspirational stuff
Wonder will Linwood's armagh TV stream the final?
Was the final not live on BBC on the red button last year?
Quote from: FermGael on January 18, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
Was the final not live on BBC on the red button last year?
It was, just after some irish league soccer match Ir ecall. Eoin Donnelly is some operator, if only tyrone had him!
In reality none of these derry matches matter but I suppose its better to keep the winning trend going or do you give the losing team the psychological edge come championship, its hard to know but I imagine the championship game when it comes along to be a 1 - 0 borefest as they will know each other that well!
Quote from: redhandefender on January 18, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: FermGael on January 18, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
Was the final not live on BBC on the red button last year?
It was, just after some irish league soccer match Ir ecall. Eoin Donnelly is some operator, if only tyrone had him!
In reality none of these derry matches matter but I suppose its better to keep the winning trend going or do you give the losing team the psychological edge come championship, its hard to know but I imagine the championship game when it comes along to be a 1 - 0 borefest as they will know each other that well!
1 - 0 to Derry as they have home advantage? lol
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/35345158
Some footage from both semi finals
Fair plays to Fermanagh yesterday for a gallant first half performance. To go in level at half time with Tyrone just shows the good work that has been done by wee Pete. Yes Eoin Donnelly is a grt player, and I was really looking forward to seeing the man who a lot of people claimed should have got an allstar last year, Sean quiqley. He hit a Beauty with his left foot and seemed to be causing problems in the first 20 min, but he just completely ran out of steam. Id say he's easily the most unfittest county player I have ever seen. He can strike a ball alright but that's about it. If Tyrone had of had their shooting boots on it could have ended up a 12- 15 pt margin, plenty to work on for us. Morgan has to be first choice for sure. Mccaliskey had no bother stroking over a 45 but missed a sitter at the start from 25yards.serious competition for starting places and even for a place on the squad. Things are building nicely and we def would have the strongest squad in Ulster by a mile.
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
Quote from: No wides on January 18, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
When was the final played?
Quote from: No wides on January 18, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
We not too worried about the 5. More interested in our fourth (Sam that is) ;) ;)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2016, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 18, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
When was the final played?
After reading redzone's post they decided there was no point in playing it 8) In fact the championship is cancelled - just take sam home now.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 19, 2016, 08:57:11 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2016, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 18, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
When was the final played?
After reading redzone's post they decided there was no point in playing it 8) In fact the championship is cancelled - just take sam home now.
Redzone had too much sugar before bedtime!
Quote from: The Sweeper.com on January 19, 2016, 08:16:30 AM
Quote from: No wides on January 18, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
We not too worried about the 5. More interested in our fourth (Sam that is) ;) ;)
ECHO ECho echo......
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 19, 2016, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 19, 2016, 08:57:11 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 18, 2016, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 18, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Fair play to Tyrone - 5 in a row, will never be equaled - amazing side, Dublin are crapping themselves.
When was the final played?
After reading redzone's post they decided there was no point in playing it 8) In fact the championship is cancelled - just take sam home now.
Redzone had too much sugar before bedtime!
You should read the stuff he posts on the Tyrone thread, its all about the county team.
Tyrone started Sunday's game very slowly. That was mainly down to the large no of personnel changes as well as the fact that it was mainly a second string side.
Fermanagh were out early and had done an extensive warm up and that was reflected in their better start. However, after 15 mins or so Tyrone began to get on top and should have been 5-6 points up at HT. Surprised at a lot of the comments that Fermanagh bossed the first half. Tyrone were well on top in second half when Eoin Donnelly got the line and Fermanagh basically threw in the towel after that. The game petered out after that with Tyrone over playing the ball and displayed poor decision making on a no of occasions. They should have scored another few goals and that is still a problem following on from last year.
Plenty of strength in depth in Tyrone squad now. More than last year with real quality added in Niall Sludden and McGeary and Hampsey. Impressed with Sludden yesterday and Ronan O'Neill looked lively when he came on.
Fermanagh still look dependent on Quigley and Eoin Donnelly. McGrath has them fit and competitive though.
Final to be streamed live on Linwoods Armagh TV
Quote from: Throw ball on January 22, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Final to be streamed live on Linwoods Armagh TV
How do you access that?
Quote from: Real Talk on January 22, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 22, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Final to be streamed live on Linwoods Armagh TV
How do you access that?
Try the following link:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/
There will be a £3 charge to watch.
Quote from: Real Talk on January 22, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 22, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Final to be streamed live on Linwoods Armagh TV
How do you access that?
You have to wear an Armagh jersey while watching it for it to work.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on January 22, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 22, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Final to be streamed live on Linwoods Armagh TV
How do you access that?
You have to wear an Armagh jersey while watching it for it to work.
No worries, whatever it takes !!!!!
Did they bother to name any of the teams for the morrow night? Think a game like the Mckenna cup boths teams been named last night?
Quote from: Throw ball on January 22, 2016, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on January 22, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 22, 2016, 12:11:14 AM
Final to be streamed live on Linwoods Armagh TV
How do you access that?
Try the following link:
http://www.armaghgaa.net/armaghtv/
There will be a £3 charge to watch.
The whole thing crashed last time Tyrone played Armagh. Paid £3 and didn't see a second of the match. Still waiting for a reply to my email about it too. I suppose McGeeneys wages aren't going to pay themselves!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2016, 07:21:48 PM
Did they bother to name any of the teams for the morrow night? Think a game like the Mckenna cup boths teams been named last night?
Think there would be a bit of 'cat and mouse' stuff going on there .... neither team wanting to give much away .. its just because its the McK Cup but the whole Derry Tyrone thing is back where it was 15 yrs ago.
But sure we will have a go with the Derry team ourselves ...
T Mallon
K McKaigue, B Rogers, D McBride;
G McKinless, C McKaigue, D Heavron;
E Bradley and M Lynch
C McFaul, J Kielt, E Lynn
N Loughlin, R Bell and C O'Boyle
What do you think folks?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2016, 07:21:48 PM
Did they bother to name any of the teams for the morrow night? Think a game like the Mckenna cup boths teams been named last night?
Tyrone team; 1. N Morgan 2. C McCarron 3. R McNamee 4. HP McGeary 5. T McCann 6. Justy McMahon 7. B Tierney 8. C Clarke 9. C Cavanagh 10. H Og Conlon 11. M Donnelly 12. C McShane 13. L Brennan 14. R O'Neill 15. P Quinn
If you pay just £1.50 can you see half the match and then decide if it's ok to pay the second bit?
Quote from: Olly on January 22, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
If you pay just £1.50 can you see half the match and then decide if it's ok to pay the second bit?
No, but if you pay the £3 you can email Armagh TV at half time and ask for half your money back. They will tell you to go away, of course.
Are the McKennas going does anybody know?
Up for the match
http://youtu.be/eLz5TapCxEs
Quote from: Gaffer on January 22, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
Are the McKennas going does anybody know?
When the Sigersons stopped going to the Sigerson it all went downhill.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 22, 2016, 10:57:36 PM
Quote from: Olly on January 22, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
If you pay just £1.50 can you see half the match and then decide if it's ok to pay the second bit?
No, but if you pay the £3 you can email Armagh TV at half time and ask for half your money back. They will tell you to go away, of course.
Save yourself the money. Like the Star Wars movie it's a remake of this:
http://youtu.be/46IaXW01hXQ
Tyrone team v Derry – McKenna Cup Final 23/1/16
January 22nd, 2016
Comórtas: Corn an Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Doire v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Ard Mhacha
Dáta: 23 Eanáir 2016
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 44 Appearances
2 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór – 73 Appearances
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 45 Appearances
4 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 2 Appearances
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chochair – 30 Appearances
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 92 Appearances
7 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh – 27 Appearances
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 109 Appearances
9 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh – 45 Appearances
10 – Harry Óg Conlon – Éadan na dTorc – 2 Appearances
11 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac – 68 Appearances
12 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill – 11 Appearances
13 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 2 Appearances
14 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 42 Appearances
15 – Patrick Quinn – Dún Geanainn – 5 Appearances
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 11 Appearances
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – 12 Appearances
18 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 213 Appearances
19 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 3 Appearances
20 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo – 47 Appearances
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair – 14 Appearances
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 49 Appearances
23 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn – 20 Appearances
24 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór – 3 Appearances
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 5 Appearances
26 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór – 4 Appearances
27 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn – 3 Appearances
28 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 2 Appearances
The Derry team to play Tyrone in Saturday's Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup final at Armagh (7.30pm) is as follows:
1. Thomas Mallon (Loup)
2. Ciarán Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
3. Dermot McBride (Ballinascreen)
4. Karl McKaigue (Slaughtneil)
5. Gareth McKinless (Ballinderry)
6. Chrissy McKaigue (Slaughtneil)
7. Danny Heavron (Magherafelt)
8. Brendan Rogers (Slaughtneil)
9. Emmett Bradley (Glen)
10. Enda Lynn (Greenlough)
11. James Kielt (Kilrea)
12. Benny Heron (Ballinascreen)
13. Shane Heavron (Magherafelt)
14. Cailean O'Boyle (Lavey)
15. Ryan Bell (Ballinderry)
16. Eoin McNicholl (Glenullin)
17. Conor Kearns (Magherafelt)
18. Conor Murphy (Dungiven)
19. Christopher Bradley (Slaughtneil)
20. Shane Mulgrew (Ballinascreen)
21. Conor McAtamney (Swatragh)
22. Neil Forester (Steelstown)
23. Mark Craig (Dungiven)
24. Ryan Ferris (Magherafelt)
25. Peter Quinn (Magherafelt)
26. Oisín Duffy (Foreglen)
Should be a massive crowd there tonight as Ulster Gaels turn out to witness Tyrone's push for 5-in-a-row. We can only wish them well.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 23, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
Should be a massive crowd there tonight as Ulster Gaels turn out to witness Tyrone's push for 5-in-a-row. We can only wish them well.
Exciting isn't it. Maybe the deputy first minister will take the first minister to witness such a momentous occasion.
First big world sporting occasion of the year.
Is it televised? Apologies if that's been asked previously..
Can't get on this Armagh tv. Anyone else having difficulty?
It's being streamed on Armaghgaa.net. Although it's £3.
Is it just my tablet or is the pixel quality very poor on the stream?
It's on Armagh TV. Why anyone would let that clown Damian MC Cullogh near a microphone really defies logic. He reckons that Justin MC Nulty is playing for Tyrone😵. Poor enough so far. Tyrone by 2. 3 points to 1
Rebounded goal from a dodgy penalty by Ryan Bell Derry by 4, 1.4 to 3
Derry lifted the tempo the last 15 mins and look to be going into half time 1-05 to 0-04.
Dodgy penalty is right, although to listen to the Armagh commentators you'd think Armagh were awarded a ten metre free to win the all Ireland.
Cathal McShane very wasteful in the first half, imo. Will be lucky to get any action in the second half. Poor fare overall.
Big guns on second half for the 5 in a row!
Tyrone's FF line v poor.
Refereeing is absolutely brutal.
Latest score??
Derry 1.9 to Tyrone 0.8
Thanks!
20 mins to go
Back to 1 pt game. 12 to go
Draw
Meyler and Sludden have turned the game.
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2016, 08:52:07 PM
Meyler and Sludden have turned the game.
Big time.
Derry by 1
Derry by 2
Big call for ref
Schmozzle
Has to be red
Tyrone two men off
Double yellow and straight red
Derry by 3
Point for Meyler, back to 2
4 mins injury time
More big calls
This is Seamus Darby all over again.
Another Tyrone red?
Commentators are impressed with the standard of football - what game have they been watching?
1pt game
What's left?
Drawing kick
Extra time
Haha the Armagh boys on commentary had a bit of a wobbled there when that last free was given.
Barry Tierney let himself down there. Totally ridiculous reaction.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 23, 2016, 09:10:23 PM
Haha the Armagh boys on commentary had a bit of a wobbled there when that last free was given.
Did they actually just think McGeary was Sean Cavanagh?
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 23, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 23, 2016, 09:10:23 PM
Haha the Armagh boys on commentary had a bit of a wobbled there when that last free was given.
Did they actually just think McGeary was Sean Cavanagh?
He didn't have a wee dye in his hair, any man could make that mistake ;)
Derry by 2
Tiarnan MC Cann just off the sun bed to score a point.
Derry by 1
All level
Tiarnan MC Cann gets a yellow for having streaks in his tan.
Tyrone by 2
3
Derry cannae handle the pressure.
4
4 up now
Mickey Harte is a genius.
Ht
Stick a tenner down for the All Ireland ;)
Derry haven't shown up for extra time. They thought the game had been won. Tyrone totally dominating with Meyler superb.
3 to Tyrone
Maths isn't MC Culloghs strongpoint, I don't know what is 😳
Tyrone getting away with some serious fouling
Back to 2
Big miss for Derry pt
Fairly unbiased commentary.
Like paying £3 to be verbally abused.
1 pt game
2
Tyrone penalty
Goal
MC Cullogh should realise that when it is dark it is not the afternoon.
All over. Win for Tyrone
1-22 to 1-17 FT. Tyrone win.
The Armagh website would lead you to believe that MCCullough "adds excitement". Possibly they meant "incitement".
Fierce amount of diving all the same.
Congratulations to the inbreeds a draw at fulltime v 13 tyronemen big improvement from 95.
Nothing better than beating our inbreed cousins from across the sperrins Tir Eoghain Abu
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Congratulations to the inbreeds a draw at fulltime v 13 tyronemen big improvement from 95.
Nothing better than beating our inbreed cousins from across the sperrins Tir Eoghain Abu
You're so inbred you can't even spell inbred.
Derry paid the price for trying to instigate melees in order to run the clock down as it spectacularly backfired on them.
Meyler was sensational tonight, pretty much brought Tyrone back into the game by himself.
Good to see Brian McGuckin getting more action in a Tyrone game than he ever did in a playing capacity. Clown.
Derry have a decent side and in Christopher Bradley have a top forward who can kick from range.
I think by the reaction of the Derry crowd after going three up with little to go they will be pretty sick heading home. I am kidding you not-there was two grown men hugging each other in the terrace towards the end of normal. ;D ;D ;D
very very Disappointing , Derry should have played keepball and slowed it down in their last play of normal time , Conor Mcatamney was immense tonight but as i feared the quality of the Tyrone Bench told again in the end
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Congratulations to the inbreeds a draw at fulltime v 13 tyronemen big improvement from 95.
Nothing better than beating our inbreed cousins from across the sperrins Tir Eoghain Abu
You're so inbred you cant't even spell inbred.
Suck the bag Lenny it's all ure good for u old goat
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Congratulations to the inbreeds a draw at fulltime v 13 tyronemen big improvement from 95.
Nothing better than beating our inbreed cousins from across the sperrins Tir Eoghain Abu
You're so inbred you cant't even spell inbred.
I think if you consult you will find inbreed to be the past participant on inbred and grammatically correct in the context you individual inbreed.
In breeding is no laughing matter.
5 years, 5 Dr McKenna Cups, 25 matches unbeaten.
Quote from: hardstation on January 23, 2016, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Congratulations to the inbreeds a draw at fulltime v 13 tyronemen big improvement from 95.
Nothing better than beating our inbreed cousins from across the sperrins Tir Eoghain Abu
You're so inbred you cant't even spell inbred.
I think if you consult you will find inbreed to be the past participant on inbred and grammatically correct in the context you individual inbreed.
Haha. WTF?
The pain from the banjo playing South Derry closely related wans is all that counts. Long may it continue 3-0. Two to go.
It was a friendly ffs
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 23, 2016, 10:41:19 PM
It was a friendly ffs
When did Tyrone and Derry ever play a friendly for f... sake ?
Hardly matters now if the in-breds win the other games, this is the one with silverware.
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2016, 10:52:52 PM
Hardly matters now if the in-breds win the other games, this is the one with silverware.
Ah no the inbreed populated county would go on a inbreeding roll if they win either of the two games and i hate banjo players.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
I think by the reaction of the Derry crowd after going three up with little to go they will be pretty sick heading home. I am kidding you not-there was two grown men hugging each other in the terrace towards the end of normal. ;D ;D ;D
Surely a photo was taken.
See some of the mayhem from tonight in this one-minute video..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/23/news/mckenna-cup-final-tyrone-v-derry-391922/?param=ds441rif44T
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&rct=j&q=banjo%20playing%20scene%20from&ved=0ahUKEwja6cj4hMHKAhWFPBQKHWSkA6gQtwIIGzAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaEhwIqmmEJY&usg=AFQjCNGcOPPu-jGdHXzG28NsCM3F3Z_9Dw
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
I think by the reaction of the Derry crowd after going three up with little to go they will be pretty sick heading home. I am kidding you not-there was two grown men hugging each other in the terrace towards the end of normal. ;D ;D ;D
Surely a photo was taken.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&rct=j&q=banjo%20playing%20scene%20from&ved=0ahUKEwja6cj4hMHKAhWFPBQKHWSkA6gQtwIIGzAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaEhwIqmmEJY&usg=AFQjCNGcOPPu-jGdHXzG28NsCM3F3Z_9Dw
Scene outside the Elk after Derry went 3-up near the end of normal time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
Quote from: Any craic on January 23, 2016, 11:02:23 PM
See some of the mayhem from tonight in this one-minute video..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/23/news/mckenna-cup-final-tyrone-v-derry-391922/?param=ds441rif44T
Nice clip of Derry boys going down. Barton floored by McCarron?
Quote from: Any craic on January 23, 2016, 11:02:23 PM
See some of the mayhem from tonight in this one-minute video..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/23/news/mckenna-cup-final-tyrone-v-derry-391922/?param=ds441rif44T
The McCarron red card is a no-brainer (literally) but how did McNamee not receive a straight red? What was the yellow card for? or is yellow a word the ref will be ducking for a week or two?
Why is it a straight red?
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2016, 11:10:01 PM
Why is it a straight red?
McNamee?? Striking. Red card all day long
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
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Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2016, 11:10:01 PM
Why is it a straight red?
McNamee?? Striking. Red card all day long
He pushed him. The inbred lad stayed down.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not career threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
It was certainly more than just 'brainless'. It was pretty dangerous and he knew exactly what he was at.
It wasn't dangerous. It is brainless beciause its well outside the rules and he knew that. Yes he did know what he was doing. If McNamee's preferred pushing technique is one handed and with a close fist then a rethink is perhaps warranted
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
It was certainly more than just 'brainless'. It was pretty dangerous and he knew exactly what he was at.
It wasn't dangerous. It is brainless beciause its well outside the rules and he knew that. Yes he did know what he was doing. Completely ruining. If McNamee's preferred pushing technique is one handed and with a close fist then a rethink is perhaps warranted
It was dangerous AND brainless. Barton would need to calm down a tad too. It's only the McKenna Cup after all.
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
It was certainly more than just 'brainless'. It was pretty dangerous and he knew exactly what he was at.
It wasn't dangerous. It is brainless beciause its well outside the rules and he knew that. Yes he did know what he was doing. Completely ruining. If McNamee's preferred pushing technique is one handed and with a close fist then a rethink is perhaps warranted
It was dangerous AND brainless. Barton would need to calm down a tad too. It's only the McKenna Cup after all.
Agree re Barton. And re the McKenna Cup
Dangerous?
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 23, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
It was certainly more than just 'brainless'. It was pretty dangerous and he knew exactly what he was at.
It wasn't dangerous. It is brainless beciause its well outside the rules and he knew that. Yes he did know what he was doing. If McNamee's preferred pushing technique is one handed and with a close fist then a rethink is perhaps warranted
How can you say it wasn't dangerous ffs?
Because its leg against leg. Not Boot or stud against leg. If you have played any Saturday morning soccer you would have seen and received tackles like that weekly. But not a litany of broken legs or ruined careers
Danger Mouse??
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Though I'm never one for getting excited about the McKenna cup,it's always nice to beat Derry.Tyrone looked dead and buried going into injury time and Derry made bad work to let them back into it.Cant comment on the dust up which produced the red cards as I was 80 yards away.All I could make out of it was Barton lying on his arse.Tyrone much the better team in extra time.Best of luck to the Derry lad who was stretchered off,didn't look good for him.Was it Enda Lynn?
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 23, 2016, 11:35:52 PM
Though I'm never one for getting excited about the McKenna cup,it's always nice to beat Derry.Tyrone looked dead and buried going into injury time and Derry made bad work to let them back into it.Cant comment on the dust up which produced the red cards as I was 80 yards away.All I could make out of it was Barton lying on his arse.Tyrone much the better team in extra time.Best of luck to the Derry lad who was stretchered off,didn't look good for him.Was it Enda Lynn?
Derry might concentrate on why the didn't close it out but the non-show at the start of extra time was criminal
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
I suppose in soccer there is no danger. They wear those pad things to keep their ankles company.
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
I suppose in soccer there is no danger. They wear those pad things to keep their ankles company.
But those pads protect against kicks around the ankle and shin (valid in that game) and boot or stud tackles around the ankle or shin. they do nothing to protect against this career threatening capcaity of leg-on-leg sliding tackles
Barton is some bollocks though running 40 yards to intervene in a free. Hope he's worth the money.
Quote from: ONeill on January 23, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
Barton is some bollocks though running 40 yards to intervene in a free.
True
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Hope he's worth the money.
Shsssh
Quote from: hardstation on January 23, 2016, 11:54:41 PM
He swings his kick at knee height! The ball was never off the ground. That's dangerous.
The position of the ball is one of the 2 things that make it brainless. But how does it make it dangerous?
Does he kick him? A kick is traditionally with the boot, surely?
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
Broken legs. There is a reason why sliding tackles are not allowed in Gaelic Football. I hope Barton is dealt with. What was he doing down at the goal end ? if he can't set an example to his players I don't see much hope for Derry once the heat comes in the league and championship if Barton finds such difficulty controlling himself in a McKenna cup game.
Horse very well behaved tonight compared to his Oak Leaf counterpart. Good to see. Having a wind up jack in the box has no benefit to any team.
It was a dangerous tackle.
It was a push. Not a punch. It's clear as day in Jerome's video.
It was a sinister ploy to get McNamee sent off and close the game out which backfired spectacularly.
The man with the best view was Morgan who immediate reaction was to tell the ferry player to get up.
The ref was brutal. Any ref that feels the need to blow the whistle 6 times for a single infraction shpuld be demoted.
Barton sent himself on to get a Tyrone player sent off.
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
Broken legs. There is a reason why sliding tackles are not allowed in Gaelic Football. I hope Barton is dealt with. What was he doing down at the goal end ? if he can't set an example to his players I don't see much hope for Derry once the heat comes in the league and championship if Barton finds such difficulty controlling himself in a McKenna cup game.
Agree on all that is said re Barton. Leg on leg tackles result in broken legs with what frequency?
You c***ts know all about lying down to get people sent off, bit of a wee speciality in Tyrone
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
So it's fine then in your view? How many sports, bar soccer, do you regularly see slide tackling in anyway? Players don't bend down to pick up the ball in soccer and when that sort of tackle happens on a goalkeeper people are not amused. McNamee thankfully saw the lad coming and didn't plant his feet to bend and pick the ball up. The lad coming in didn't give a shite if he was following through on ankles, shins, hands or arms. Sliding in like that when a guy is highly likely to be bending over to pick a ball up is a dangerous and cowardly act in my view, they clearly view things a bit differently were you are from.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 12:01:05 AM
You c***ts know all about lying down to get people sent off, bit of a wee speciality in Tyrone
Good lad, let it out! And some people say they don't care about the McKenna cup
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 12:01:05 AM
You c***ts know all about lying down to get people sent off, bit of a wee speciality in Tyrone
You can literally taste the disappointment and bitterness.
Unlucky Derry. Very cynical performance but you need to brush up on your skills a bit more.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 12:01:05 AM
You c***ts know all about lying down to get people sent off, bit of a wee speciality in Tyrone
Is that banjo playing i hear in the background again......and your point is of course that every county have players who simulate to get players sent of and derry have a manager who leads by example fair point.
Don't think we too worried about the mckenna cup but Tyrone drive for 5 will keep Mickey in a job another year
Thoroughly enjoyable game. Should have closed it out with six minutes left. Ref shocking.
A hint of panic from the sizeable contingent from among the bushes; first time I've noticed that in fifteen years.
Still fancy Tyrone for Ulster and they must be short odds to face Dublin in September.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 12:01:05 AM
You c***ts know all about lying down to get people sent off, bit of a wee speciality in Tyrone
Sore loser !
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable game. Should have closed it out with six minutes left. Ref shocking.
A hint of panic from the sizeable contingent from among the bushes; first time I've noticed that in fifteen years.
Still fancy Tyrone for Ulster and they must be short odds to face Dublin in September.
Can't see how the ref harmed Derry's chances. If anything the double dive (Barton and mate) late on in the second half tainted the game.
I have to say that there seems to be an unwarranted dislike of Barton by the Tyrone men. I'm not really sure why this should be, but it seems to go back to his playing career, judging by the comments of those around me tonight. Amazing how quickly he was done during the row also, a hint of premeditation?
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 10:19:29 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 23, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 23, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Congratulations to the inbreeds a draw at fulltime v 13 tyronemen big improvement from 95.
Nothing better than beating our inbreed cousins from across the sperrins Tir Eoghain Abu
You're so inbred you cant't even spell inbred.
I think if you consult you will find inbreed to be the past participant on inbred and grammatically correct in the context you individual inbreed.
I want to support you but....
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable game. Should have closed it out with six minutes left. Ref shocking.
A hint of panic from the sizeable contingent from among the bushes; first time I've noticed that in fifteen years.
Still fancy Tyrone for Ulster and they must be short odds to face Dublin in September.
Can't see how the ref harmed Derry's chances. If anything the double dive (Barton and mate) late on in the second half tainted the game.
I didn't say that he did. I said he was shocking, which he was. But he was well on top of the diving, correctly pulling Tyrone men on two separate occasions.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable game. Should have closed it out with six minutes left. Ref shocking.
A hint of panic from the sizeable contingent from among the bushes; first time I've noticed that in fifteen years.
Still fancy Tyrone for Ulster and they must be short odds to face Dublin in September.
Can't see how the ref harmed Derry's chances. If anything the double dive (Barton and mate) late on in the second half tainted the game.
I didn't say that he did. I said he was shocking, which he was. But he was well on top of the diving, correctly pulling Tyrone men on two separate occasions.
And what was he like for the Derry diving?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:14:33 AM
I have to say that there seems to be an unwarranted dislike of Barton by the Tyrone men. I'm not really sure why this should be, but it seems to go back to his playing career, judging by the comments of those around me tonight. Amazing how quickly he was done during the row also, a hint of premeditation?
Sure he wasn't even liked in Derry!
Quote from: Gaffer on January 24, 2016, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable game. Should have closed it out with six minutes left. Ref shocking.
A hint of panic from the sizeable contingent from among the bushes; first time I've noticed that in fifteen years.
Still fancy Tyrone for Ulster and they must be short odds to face Dublin in September.
Can't see how the ref harmed Derry's chances. If anything the double dive (Barton and mate) late on in the second half tainted the game.
I didn't say that he did. I said he was shocking, which he was. But he was well on top of the diving, correctly pulling Tyrone men on two separate occasions.
And what was he like for the Derry diving?
Sssh!!! Derry men are too big and strong to dive!!!!
Quote from: Gaffer on January 24, 2016, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable game. Should have closed it out with six minutes left. Ref shocking.
A hint of panic from the sizeable contingent from among the bushes; first time I've noticed that in fifteen years.
Still fancy Tyrone for Ulster and they must be short odds to face Dublin in September.
Can't see how the ref harmed Derry's chances. If anything the double dive (Barton and mate) late on in the second half tainted the game.
I didn't say that he did. I said he was shocking, which he was. But he was well on top of the diving, correctly pulling Tyrone men on two separate occasions.
And what was he like for the Derry diving?
I'm confident if there had been any, he would have called it correctly. A hypothetical question, if ever there was one.
Dunno if I'll ever get over this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HbynMBoXo
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:28:13 AM
Dunno if I'll ever get over this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HbynMBoXo
Indeed, an event surpassed only once since then; when we won the McKenna Cup the following year.
Another one left behind but i suppose it doesn't really matter, be more worried about he injury to Lynn, thought that tackle was an open foul as he was shooting, probably tore up the knee ligaments. Derry played rightly at times in spells as did Tyrone, couldn't see much of the big ho ha down in the corner.
biggest worry about the game is the amount of cards refs are giving out, maybe some tackles, fouls the ref was brandishing yellows when a free was enough. There is a drop definite in physicality from the 90`s, shoulder to shoulder tackles or hard hits are nearly yellow cards all the time now or blown for a foul, half them wouldn't been given years ago. The change to a side to side tackle has never really been defined by refs. Lads may do more weights now and are fitter but football was harder years back
Its Bartons mouth that gets him in trouble. Played against him when he was coaching Donaghmore and he was involved in a few incidents along the line. got his gob shut for him that night too :D
haha. All part of the master plan.
Most of you tirronie inbred red-arses seem to be happier about beating Derry than you are about winning the McKenna Cup.
After all this time yous still seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to us. Yous really need to move on.
Happy enough with Derry tonight, should have won it in normal time. I really dont know where all the injury time came from. Played 2 or 3 minutes more than announced injury and the last free at the death which drew the game was questionable at best. I think we should have had another penalty in the first half before the one we got too.
Tyrone the better side in extra time. I think tactically MH got the extra time approach spot on...running on subs flat out in that first period. Frantic first period for them was enough to win it.
Its all about development for Derry at the minute. A lot of young new players and most acquitted themselves well against a team that is highly rated (wrongly IMO....top 6 team but not genuine AI contenders I feel). Plenty of players to come back in, Lynch, McGuckian, the coleraine contingent, Dermot McBride.....there's probably about 5-6 players missing there tonight.
All in all, disappointing result but pleasing performance and showing signs of improvement. What more can any team ask for other than showing improvement.
I still have a gut feeling we'll win the first game in the championship. The only one that really matters.
For what it is worth I felt the Derry fella tackle was rash and should have got a yellow. McNamee did push/hit him in the chin area so should have got a straight red. Barton should have been nowhere near the incident but McCarron pushed him in back. Red was harsh but can see why it was given. For me Morgan should not have went near the Derry player and should have been booked.
If I was a Tyrone man I would worry about McNamee's discipline. He could easily have seen red in UUJ match against Armagh too.
Fair play to Derry they should have had it in normal time but Im afraid youins have peaked to soon this season. Be another long summer.
Wasn't at it but just heard bits and pieces. On the schemozzle yeah it was a wreckless tackle a yellow card but nothing more, the dive was a bit much for me but McNamee deserved his second yellow as well regardless, McKinless is close to the Loughshore so your own nonsense may have rubbed off on him. Barton coming running over was a bit ridiculous but I wasn't sad to see McCarron getting sent off as he well deserved it.
In term of Barton running over it looked like a bit of fire and passion and if it instills it into our lads then fair enough.
All in all we should have closed the game out and we also shouldn't have disappeared in Extra time. Wouldn't read a whole pile into it for Championship save to say it will be tighter than many around the Country think. Tyrone for their run last year aren't as good as made out and I'd still fancy Donegal and Monaghan against them in Ulster. We aren't as bad as shown last year and I think Barton and Scullion will lift the whole team. We won't win Ulster and we may not win thr first round but I think we'll give the Tymoanies a real rattle!
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:28:13 AM
Dunno if I'll ever get over this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HbynMBoXo
Some pass from matt mcgleenan for canavans goal
In the grand scheme of things the pick of both teams there the night would not trouble the dubs, maybe that's is why there is a big focus on the championship game, after that game there be little more on offer, Would fancy Donegal for Ulster at Present.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:28:13 AM
Dunno if I'll ever get over this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HbynMBoXo
That was actually my first ever game in Croker. My auld fella took me and I didnt really know too many of the tyrone men and only marginally more of the derry men.
Was a great experience as a cub.
The National League meant something back then.
Looking at that wee clip....Peter had hair! Matty Mcgleenan, I actually liked him.
Dermot Heaney was a great player at his peak too.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
I think it's time we forgot about football and focused on which county really are inbred. We can't continue with this nonsense of each county calling each other the same derogatory name.
Knockloughrim is mad for inbreedin and I've never encountered anyone disputing that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 12:45:58 AM
In the grand scheme of things the pick of both teams there the night would not trouble the dubs, maybe that's is why there is a big focus on the championship game, after that game there be little more on offer, Would fancy Donegal for Ulster at Present.
Can't agree with that. Tyrone have to be short odds favourites for Ulster. Donegal and Monaghan have both emptied the tank at this stage. Come August Tyrone should be playing Mayo in an all-Ireland semi-final with a realistic chance of making the final. Anything else is abject failure. A last twelve appearance for us would represent decent progress.
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:48:44 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
I think it's time we forgot about football and focused on which county really are inbred. We can't continue with this nonsense of each county calling each other the same derogatory name.
Knockloughrim is mad for inbreedin and I've never encountered anyone disputing that.
You could say the same of Derrytresk....Coalisland....Sion Mills....Strabane....feck its a long list. ;)
1 in 3 people in Morotown are called Quinn, i think we close the inbredding case there!!!
Great craic altogether. Bartons weaknesses exposed again. Sets up the season nicely.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2016, 12:47:13 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:28:13 AM
Dunno if I'll ever get over this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HbynMBoXo
That was actually my first ever game in Croker. My auld fella took me and I didnt really know too many of the tyrone men and only marginally more of the derry men.
Was a great experience as a cub.
The National League meant something back then.
Looking at that wee clip....Peter had hair! Matty Mcgleenan, I actually liked him.
Dermot Heaney was a great player at his peak too.
Dermot Heaney was a magnificent footballer. He would be in my best ever Derry team, the only one of the '93 forward line who would make it.
In relation to Mayo i say they could pose Dublin the most problems if they found an inside forward. Mayo are that cocky they are already looking at an All-ireland final as they are playing Ulster opposition in the semi. Nothing like been over confident, check the Mayo threads
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:48:44 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
I think it's time we forgot about football and focused on which county really are inbred. We can't continue with this nonsense of each county calling each other the same derogatory name.
Knockloughrim is mad for inbreedin and I've never encountered anyone disputing that.
When you have watched Tony Scullion play the banjo you would have no doubt about where the inbreeding has been taking place.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on January 24, 2016, 12:56:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2016, 12:48:44 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
I think it's time we forgot about football and focused on which county really are inbred. We can't continue with this nonsense of each county calling each other the same derogatory name.
Knockloughrim is mad for inbreedin and I've never encountered anyone disputing that.
When you have watched Tony Scullion play the banjo you would have no doubt about where the inbreeding has been taking place.
Tony doesnt play the banjo, just the mandolin. You're than inbred you dont know the difference. ;)
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2016, 12:37:32 AM
haha. All part of the master plan.
Most of you tirronie inbred red-arses seem to be happier about beating Derry than you are about winning the McKenna Cup.
After all this time yous still seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to us. Yous really need to move on.
Happy enough with Derry tonight, should have won it in normal time. I really dont know where all the injury time came from. Played 2 or 3 minutes more than announced injury and the last free at the death which drew the game was questionable at best. I think we should have had another penalty in the first half before the one we got too.
Tyrone the better side in extra time. I think tactically MH got the extra time approach spot on...running on subs flat out in that first period. Frantic first period for them was enough to win it.
Its all about development for Derry at the minute. A lot of young new players and most acquitted themselves well against a team that is highly rated (wrongly IMO....top 6 team but not genuine AI contenders I feel). Plenty of players to come back in, Lynch, McGuckian, the coleraine contingent, Dermot McBride.....there's probably about 5-6 players missing there tonight.
All in all, disappointing result but pleasing performance and showing signs of improvement. What more can any team ask for other than showing improvement.
I still have a gut feeling we'll win the first game in the championship. The only one that really matters.
Guess who's been on the drink tonight... an inferiority complex over the inbreds? ;D ;D Think I'll have a wee dream about the 1995 Ulster semi-final tonight ;)
Quote from: red hander on January 24, 2016, 04:37:41 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2016, 12:37:32 AM
haha. All part of the master plan.
Most of you tirronie inbred red-arses seem to be happier about beating Derry than you are about winning the McKenna Cup.
After all this time yous still seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to us. Yous really need to move on.
Happy enough with Derry tonight, should have won it in normal time. I really dont know where all the injury time came from. Played 2 or 3 minutes more than announced injury and the last free at the death which drew the game was questionable at best. I think we should have had another penalty in the first half before the one we got too.
Tyrone the better side in extra time. I think tactically MH got the extra time approach spot on...running on subs flat out in that first period. Frantic first period for them was enough to win it.
Its all about development for Derry at the minute. A lot of young new players and most acquitted themselves well against a team that is highly rated (wrongly IMO....top 6 team but not genuine AI contenders I feel). Plenty of players to come back in, Lynch, McGuckian, the coleraine contingent, Dermot McBride.....there's probably about 5-6 players missing there tonight.
All in all, disappointing result but pleasing performance and showing signs of improvement. What more can any team ask for other than showing improvement.
I still have a gut feeling we'll win the first game in the championship. The only one that really matters.
Guess who's been on the drink tonight... an inferiority complex over the inbreds? ;D ;D Think I'll have a wee dream about the 1995 Ulster semi-final tonight ;)
Dream you away.
I might have a wee dream myself about a certain final and a Mr Charlie Redmond and even about a disallowed point at the end. A real good karma dream that. Lol.
That's a few times now Derry have failed to put Tyrone away. Even back to the NFL game last year that ended in a draw.
Barton will have a big physiological job to do now, getting his players to believe they are good enough to actually beat Tyrone. Glass ceiling so to speak.
Always good to get the result, however, it will always be irrelevant in the long run. What has pleased me the most is the desire to keep plugging away and fighting to the last whistle. No harm in that and can only be a good thing.
Final two points, Meyler was fantastic last night, himself and Sludden changed the game. Secondly, what brought about the rule change that allows teams to go back to a full compliment at the start of extra time? A ridiculous rule.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 24, 2016, 12:39:41 AM
For what it is worth I felt the Derry fella tackle was rash and should have got a yellow. McNamee did push/hit him in the chin area so should have got a straight red. Barton should have been nowhere near the incident but McCarron pushed him in back. Red was harsh but can see why it was given. For me Morgan should not have went near the Derry player and should have been booked.
If I was a Tyrone man I would worry about McNamee's discipline. He could easily have seen red in UUJ match against Armagh too.
He didn't go near his chin, did you imagine he did?
Few thoughts....
Overall a scrappy game of football. Neither side put much quality play together and I don't think either Barton or Harte will be thinking the finished article was on display.
Good to dig a result out without having to play big Sean.
Derry pen was very very soft and without it Tyrone would prob have done enough in normal time. The big FF did some amount of dragging and pushing but I guess that's what he's there for and he def caused some problems for us.
The ridiculous time wasting by the Derry players contributed to the elongated injury time. If you are going to take an eternity over kick outs and kick the ball away from the opposition keeper, expect that to be dealt with.....
Tyrone FF line was pretty limp until Skeet came on, but then Derrys biggest strength last night was having good sticky defenders so a real learning curve for Brennan et al.
Must be a real inferiority complex among our neighbours though as the thought of beating us with 10 to go had the ones I could see round me celebrating like lunatics.
Good to see MH making sensible in game adjustments too.
Barton needs to wind the neck in. Running up the pitch to get involved was idiotic. Especially when he got put on his ars@.
The sliding tackle looks worse every time you see it. Very dangerous play and deserved a straight red.
Lack of a decent free taker still an issue. Also missed some very easy scores in the first half that would have put good daylight between us and Derry rather than keep them in it.
Plenty to work on and the next 2 games are #2 and #1 in importance in this series so no room for any complacency.
What would be the odds of meeting in the div 2 final and the back door too.......
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2016, 07:59:51 AM
Quote from: red hander on January 24, 2016, 04:37:41 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 24, 2016, 12:37:32 AM
haha. All part of the master plan.
Most of you tirronie inbred red-arses seem to be happier about beating Derry than you are about winning the McKenna Cup.
After all this time yous still seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to us. Yous really need to move on.
Happy enough with Derry tonight, should have won it in normal time. I really dont know where all the injury time came from. Played 2 or 3 minutes more than announced injury and the last free at the death which drew the game was questionable at best. I think we should have had another penalty in the first half before the one we got too.
Tyrone the better side in extra time. I think tactically MH got the extra time approach spot on...running on subs flat out in that first period. Frantic first period for them was enough to win it.
Its all about development for Derry at the minute. A lot of young new players and most acquitted themselves well against a team that is highly rated (wrongly IMO....top 6 team but not genuine AI contenders I feel). Plenty of players to come back in, Lynch, McGuckian, the coleraine contingent, Dermot McBride.....there's probably about 5-6 players missing there tonight.
All in all, disappointing result but pleasing performance and showing signs of improvement. What more can any team ask for other than showing improvement.
I still have a gut feeling we'll win the first game in the championship. The only one that really matters.
Guess who's been on the drink tonight... an inferiority complex over the inbreds? ;D ;D Think I'll have a wee dream about the 1995 Ulster semi-final tonight ;)
Dream you away.
I might have a wee dream myself about a certain final and a Mr Charlie Redmond and even about a disallowed point at the end. A real good karma dream that. Lol.
If you are a Derry man....this is such a sad story! Is that as good as it gets up there?
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 24, 2016, 08:40:26 AM
Always good to get the result, however, it will always be irrelevant in the long run. What has pleased me the most is the desire to keep plugging away and fighting to the last whistle. No harm in that and can only be a good thing.
Final two points, Meyler was fantastic last night, himself and Sludden changed the game. Secondly, what brought about the rule change that allows teams to go back to a full compliment at the start of extra time? A ridiculous rule.
Meyler was brilliant and was the real driving force in the tyrone comeback. Derry had a lot of positives also. the 2 midfielders had very good games especially mcatamney. It would have been nice to have had holly and liam (and sean leo) mcgoldrick there to bring on around the middle of the field for extra time as tyrone brought on subs who added real energy to their team. The 2 mckaigues did very well in defence also.
According to the Irish News:
Cathal McCarron (straight red card), Ronan McNamee (2 yellows), Daniel McKinless (2 yellows), Derry manager Damian Barton sent off.
after the pushing session.
Didn't know that Barton got the line.
The Fix for Six starts here.
Quote from: God14 on January 24, 2016, 08:22:39 AM
That's a few times now Derry have failed to put Tyrone away. Even back to the NFL game last year that ended in a draw.
Barton will have a big physiological job to do now, getting his players to believe they are good enough to actually beat Tyrone. Glass ceiling so to speak.
Big physiological job on for Barton boys!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 24, 2016, 12:39:41 AM
For what it is worth I felt the Derry fella tackle was rash and should have got a yellow. McNamee did push/hit him in the chin area so should have got a straight red. Barton should have been nowhere near the incident but McCarron pushed him in back. Red was harsh but can see why it was given. For me Morgan should not have went near the Derry player and should have been booked.
If I was a Tyrone man I would worry about McNamee's discipline. He could easily have seen red in UUJ match against Armagh too.
He didn't go near his chin, did you imagine he did?
Video evidence posted by Any Craic a few pages ago would suggest he did.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Quote from: Captain Black on January 24, 2016, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 24, 2016, 08:22:39 AM
That's a few times now Derry have failed to put Tyrone away. Even back to the NFL game last year that ended in a draw.
Barton will have a big physiological job to do now, getting his players to believe they are good enough to actually beat Tyrone. Glass ceiling so to speak.
Big physiological job on for Barton boys!
And a big psychological job also.
Quote from: No wides on January 24, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
Quote from: lenny on January 24, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
Quote from: Captain Black on January 24, 2016, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: God14 on January 24, 2016, 08:22:39 AM
That's a few times now Derry have failed to put Tyrone away. Even back to the NFL game last year that ended in a draw.
Barton will have a big physiological job to do now, getting his players to believe they are good enough to actually beat Tyrone. Glass ceiling so to speak.
Big physiological job on for Barton boys!
And a big psychological job also.
Not to mention the neuroendocrinological job.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: No wides on January 24, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
I agree, I am saying it is an unbelievable achievement, you all must be very proud.
What is this board going to be like after the championship game?? :o
Quote from: No wides on January 24, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: No wides on January 24, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
I agree, I am saying it is an unbelievable achievement, you all must be very proud.
I'll be very proud if, as in previous years, the McKenna Cup unearths a few players who can add to the starting 15 later in the Summer. So far we have 3 or 4 competitive games for the two McGearys, Hampsey, Lee Brennan, Sludden and one or two more who can hopefully kick on. These games (and wins) give confidence to the players and just as importantly, to the manager with regards playing them. Last night was a massive win in the development of these players, two young lads, Meyler and Sludden especially displayed an ability to grab a game that is slipping away and turn it around. This hopefully will stand us in good stead. As for being proud? Always! :)
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That video does not look good for the Derry player? Slides in with a career threatening sliding tackle and the lies down holding his face when pushed in the (albeit) upper chest. What a poor showing from whoever it was.
What was Barton thinking running into a fracas like that? That the sort of thing you would expect from Geezer.
Derry the better side tonight. Good crowd. Couldn't get the picture of the two men embracing as they were directly to my left and had seemed like decent folk and chatted away all evening.
Its a brainless tackle. It not carerr threatening.
he holds his face after McNamee hits him in the face
If McNamees foot was planted then it could have been career ending. He dived. Lay like a big baby. No contact was made with his face so why did he go down holding it.
If you watched that game all the way through (and I mean watched rather than listened to the CLEARLY biased anti-tyrone commentary) you would not be choosing diving as your weapon of choice.
The contact is with the face. the picture shows this. If you are going to deny the evidence you are clearly not interested in facts
Deny evidence?? You said the sliding tackle wasn't dangerous??
The mere fact that it was sliding does not make it dangerous. Sliding tackles happen all the time in other sports
Is that your reason why this wasn't a dangerous tackle? Seriously? I'll leave it at that then.
What danger do they present in other sports?
So it's fine then in your view? How many sports, bar soccer, do you regularly see slide tackling in anyway? Players don't bend down to pick up the ball in soccer and when that sort of tackle happens on a goalkeeper people are not amused. McNamee thankfully saw the lad coming and didn't plant his feet to bend and pick the ball up. The lad coming in didn't give a shite if he was following through on ankles, shins, hands or arms. Sliding in like that when a guy is highly likely to be bending over to pick a ball up is a dangerous and cowardly act in my view, they clearly view things a bit differently were you are from.
I labelled the tackle "brainless" and that lead you to belive that I thought the tackle was "fine". At no stage have I defended the tackle. If I have then point me to it?
The tackle deservedly got a yellow card. I only onject to the tackle being labelled "career threatening".
Tyrone win their only trophy of the season before the other counties start training.Yawn
Tony,I'm very disappointed in you.That's our 2nd trophy of the season :D
Quote from: T Fearon on January 24, 2016, 12:37:58 PM
Tyrone win their only trophy of the season before the other counties start training.Yawn
Im sure your gym monkies have been training away since they took an early shower last year, bit the didnt hand out awards for the best bodybuilders yous would be a shoe in. We start before Armagh and will still be going for a long time after yous have finished up for the season.
As for the derry guy, I have never had to lay down and hold my face after being "pushed" in the chest. It was a yellow and a sending off though
What about if someone touched your hair!
McKenna Cup final: Tyrone beat Derry for five-in-a row
Tyrone clinched a fifth straight McKenna Cup triumph with a 1-22 to 1-17 extra-time victory over the Oak Leafers in the Athletic Grounds decider.
Ryan Bell's goal helped Derry to a two-point lead near the end of normal time.
Tyrone pair Cathal McCarron and Ronan McNamee were sent-off late on along with Derry's Daniel McKinless.
Tyrone hit two points deep into injury-time to draw level at 0-15 to 1-12 and force extra time before Darren Curry's penalty sealed a Red Hands success.
The holders opened up a 0-3 to 0-1 lead inside the first 13 minutes but struggled for long spells.
Derry reeled off 1-4 in a row with Bell netting after 29 minutes - his penalty attempt was blocked by Niall Morgan but the Ballinderry forward gathered the rebound to score.
Ronan O'Neill ended a long scoring drought for Tyrone, chipping over from close range for the Red Hands' first point in 22 minutes.
Tyrone trailed by 1-5 to 0-4 at the break and manager Mickey Harte made a triple substitution at the start of the second half.
Conor Meyler's energy was a big factor in Tyrone's improved display but Derry still led by four points, at 1-9 to 0-8, midway through the second half.
Tyrone subs Niall Sludden and McCurry nailed 0-3 from play inside three minutes to draw the holders level and set up an exciting finish.
Derry responded well with Enda Lynn and Conor Kearns scoring from play.
Tempers flared towards the end of normal time with McCarron receiving a straight red card while McNamee and McKinless were dismissed for two yellows.
Oak Leaf manager Damian Barton also finished the game in the stands.
Referee Noel Mooney signalled four minutes of injury-time but played six, allowing one last Tyrone attack.
When Niall Sludden was fouled, McCurry hit the equaliser and the Red Hands were the more convincing side in extra time.
McCurry converted a penalty with seconds remaining to secure a 10th McKenna Cup success for Harte.
Tyrone: N Morgan; C McCarron, R McNamee, HP McGeary (0-1); T McCann (0-1), J McMahon, B Tierney; C Cavanagh, C Clarke; H Og Conlon, M Donnelly, C McShane (0-3); L Brennan (0-4, 2f), R O'Neill (0-1), P Quinn
Subs: P McNulty for Clarke (HT), C Meyler (0-3, 1f) for Conlon (HT), C McAliskey (0-3, 3f) for Quinn (HT), D McCurry (1-3, pen, 1f) for O'Neill (47), N Sludden (0-2) for McMahon (51), J Munroe (0-1) for McShane (66), P Hampsey for Tierney (72), C McShane for McGeary (76)
Derry: T Mallon; C Mullan, M Craig, K McKaigue; G McKinless, C McKaigue, D Heavron; B Rogers, E Bradley (0-2); E Lynn (0-3), J Kielt (0-3, 2f), B Heron; S Heavron, C O'Boyle (0-1, f), R Bell (1-1, f)
Subs: C McAtamney (0-1) for Rogers (1), C Bradley (0-1) for S Heavron (32), O Duffy (0-1) for Craig (41), C Kearns (0-2) for Heron (49), D McKinless for Bell (53), N Forrester (0-1) for G McKinless (59), G McWilliams (0-1, f) for Kielt (79)
Referee: Noel Mooney (Cavan)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/35382382
Good highlights: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/35395208
Some collection of hallions in the crowd.
Same pest kicked the ball off the tee as the one that hit the deck holding his face after getting pushed in the chest?
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 24, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
Same pest kicked the ball off the tee as the one that hit the deck holding his face after getting pushed in the chest?
Growing up, living and working in Tyrone will eventually see their skullduggery wear off on even the best of men.
That's why Barton lost the plot last night too.He works in Tyrone.
Not forgetting the Tyrone men in your backroom team.We've a lot to answer for.
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That's why Barton lost the plot last night too.He works in Tyrone.
Not forgetting the Tyrone men in your backroom team.We've a lot to answer for.
Quite possibly some truth in that, but still early days for our new managerial team. I hope they can remain true to the real values of the GAA.
Ref should have taken sterner action against Monroe and cavanagh in that incident though.
Barton needs to keep his cool in the Summer.. here's a new video from the game..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/23/news/mckenna-cup-final-tyrone-v-derry-391922/?param=ds441rif44T
No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Tyrone just bring out the worst in their opponents.
If the Vatican entered a team in the McKenna Cup I wouldn't be surprised to see Pope Proinsias going for someone.
The Pope doesn't work in Tyrone Jinxy so he'd be able to keep his cool.
No Pope here.
Barton's gallop reminded me of the great Eamon Coleman doing the same v Tyrone in 2001 I think.
That was the day him and Dooher had a wee altercation.
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
I agree, I am saying it is an unbelievable achievement, you all must be very proud.
Nah, we're prouder of our three Sams. That's three Sams...
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
I agree, I am saying it is an unbelievable achievement, you all must be very proud.
Nah, we're prouder of our three Sams. That's three Sams...
Right, I'm assuming Sam Neill and Sammy Brush are two; haven't a notion who the third might be.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Agree totally. As the rules stand I feel the referee got the cards right in this incident. For a team that takes gamesmanship to the brink Tyrone cannot really complain when an opposition player overreacts. At least the Derry man got enough contact to send him to the ground. Still Tyrone can play football when they want too. Derry also seem to have improved. Should be a cracker in May.
As an Armagh man I have to say the Athletic Grounds has a great atmosphere and there have been a number of exciting games there in the last while.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Agree totally. As the rules stand I feel the referee got the cards right in this incident. For a team that takes gamesmanship to the brink Tyrone cannot really complain when an opposition player overreacts. At least the Derry man got enough contact to send him to the ground. Still Tyrone can play football when they want too. Derry also seem to have improved. Should be a cracker in May.
As an Armagh man I have to say the Athletic Grounds has a great atmosphere and there have been a number of exciting games there in the last while.
No ruckus would have started if the Derry man hadn't feigned being hit in the face.
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
I agree, I am saying it is an unbelievable achievement, you all must be very proud.
Nah, we're prouder of our three Sams. That's three Sams...
Right, I'm assuming Sam Neill and Sammy Brush are two; haven't a notion who the third might be.
Fixed that for ya
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No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Agree totally. As the rules stand I feel the referee got the cards right in this incident. For a team that takes gamesmanship to the brink Tyrone cannot really complain when an opposition player overreacts. At least the Derry man got enough contact to send him to the ground. Still Tyrone can play football when they want too. Derry also seem to have improved. Should be a cracker in May.
As an Armagh man I have to say the Athletic Grounds has a great atmosphere and there have been a number of exciting games there in the last while.
No ruckus would have started if the Derry man hadn't feigned being hit in the face.
Watch it again. The video clearly shows mcnamee pushing/striking him firmly in the throat/chin area. Mcnamee was lucky to escape with only a yellow card. Mccarron was possibly a bit unlucky in this instance as he only seems to push barton in the chest.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Agree totally. As the rules stand I feel the referee got the cards right in this incident. For a team that takes gamesmanship to the brink Tyrone cannot really complain when an opposition player overreacts. At least the Derry man got enough contact to send him to the ground. Still Tyrone can play football when they want too. Derry also seem to have improved. Should be a cracker in May.
As an Armagh man I have to say the Athletic Grounds has a great atmosphere and there have been a number of exciting games there in the last while.
No ruckus would have started if the Derry man hadn't feigned being hit in the face.
Some twits among the bushes. No ruckus would have started if the ref hadn't thrown the ball in. No ruckus would have started if Michael Cusack hadn't founded the GAA. No ruckus would have started if they'd left Loughinsholin in county Tyrone in 1613.
The lack of self-awareness on this thread from the Tyrone folk is unreal. No wonder Omagh CBS has given up the ghost.
Thought young rodgers injury was as a result of accidental clash with a team mate but after seeing footage on Twitter McCann with a far from accidental elbow did the damage ,
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No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Agree totally. As the rules stand I feel the referee got the cards right in this incident. For a team that takes gamesmanship to the brink Tyrone cannot really complain when an opposition player overreacts. At least the Derry man got enough contact to send him to the ground. Still Tyrone can play football when they want too. Derry also seem to have improved. Should be a cracker in May.
As an Armagh man I have to say the Athletic Grounds has a great atmosphere and there have been a number of exciting games there in the last while.
No ruckus would have started if the Derry man hadn't feigned being hit in the face.
Some twits among the bushes. No ruckus would have started if the ref hadn't thrown the ball in. No ruckus would have started if Michael Cusack hadn't founded the GAA. No ruckus would have started if they'd left Loughinsholin in county Tyrone in 1613.
The lack of self-awareness on this thread from the Tyrone folk is unreal. No wonder Omagh CBS has given up the ghost.
We'll give yiz Mountjoy if we can have Maghera back. Upperlands can stay.
Had to look that 1613 Charter up. Wonder if Enda Lynn is one of the O'Floinns.
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 24, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
Thought young rodgers injury was as a result of accidental clash with a team mate but after seeing footage on Twitter McCann with a far from accidental elbow did the damage ,
Any links NE?
https://twitter.com/BMG_11/status/691312301153083394
Yeah he jumped into him alright but in fairness he was lookin at the ball. U honestly trying to say that he elbowed him in the face deliberately right in front of the ref. Rodgers was unlucky in that he was kind of crouched over when it happened
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https://twitter.com/BMG_11/status/691312301153083394
Can't argue with that. Despicable, clear red card. Can't wait to see that defended.
Oh look, it already has been.
Quote from: redzone on January 24, 2016, 09:19:34 PM
Yeah he jumped into him alright but in fairness he was lookin at the ball. U honestly trying to say that he elbowed him in the face deliberately right in front of the ref. Rodgers was unlucky in that he was kind of crouched over when it happened
Jesus Christ lad would you quit defending the indefensible. He led with his elbow into another player, that alone damns him regardless of the result.
Regarding the rest of the sending offs/non sending offs. McCarron was unlucky and will likely get his overturned. Barton shouldn't be getting involved in shite like that but its no surprise that he is. Morgan should have seen a straight red as should McNamee, slide tackle is a red card as well all day long.
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https://twitter.com/BMG_11/status/691312301153083394
Can't argue with that. Despicable, clear red card. Can't wait to see that defended.
Oh look, it already has been.
That is not in any way a clear red card.
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https://twitter.com/BMG_11/status/691312301153083394
Can't argue with that. Despicable, clear red card. Can't wait to see that defended.
Oh look, it already has been.
That is not in any way a clear red card.
Why not, Tiernan?
That's Tadhg Kennelly / Nicholas Murphy stuff there.
Thread's gone quiet. Very quiet.
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https://twitter.com/BMG_11/status/691312301153083394
Can't argue with that. Despicable, clear red card. Can't wait to see that defended.
Oh look, it already has been.
That is not in any way a clear red card.
Why not, Tiernan?
That's Tadhg Kennelly / Nicholas Murphy stuff there.
Tiernan McCanns reputation as a coward just reinforced by that clip. So what he was looking at the ball he led straight into another player with an elbow! Hopefully he gets another hefty ban for this although he'll likely appeal the indefensible again rather than man up and accept his punishment!!!
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
No ruckus would have started of the keeper didn't try to lift the Derry man up,that started the whole thing, still think an automatic red to the 3rd man into any row. flare up would cut out any row ever happening in Gaelic football or any other sport for that matter
Agree totally. As the rules stand I feel the referee got the cards right in this incident. For a team that takes gamesmanship to the brink Tyrone cannot really complain when an opposition player overreacts. At least the Derry man got enough contact to send him to the ground. Still Tyrone can play football when they want too. Derry also seem to have improved. Should be a cracker in May.
As an Armagh man I have to say the Athletic Grounds has a great atmosphere and there have been a number of exciting games there in the last while.
No ruckus would have started if the Derry man hadn't feigned being hit in the face.
Watch it again. The video clearly shows mcnamee pushing/striking him firmly in the throat/chin area. Mcnamee was lucky to escape with only a yellow card. Mccarron was possibly a bit unlucky in this instance as he only seems to push barton in the chest.
It actually doesn't clearly show that at all. He gets pushed in the chest and goes down clutching his face.
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
I think you are fighting a losing battle here. (Not with me by the way!)
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Get your eyes tested on the McNamee one, mate.
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Spot on, mc namee deserved to go was stupid. his man didnt get hit in the face possibly pushed in the neck.
Mc Cann had elbows at side and mans head was down, and he wasnt looking. If the fella had been standing up straight he wouldnt have even flinched.
My how Derry and Armagh have slipped that they have to go down this line of bitter crying. Roll on the league
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Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Get your eyes tested on the McNamee one, mate.
Q.E.D.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Get your eyes tested on the McNamee one, mate.
I am using the word "head" to refer the brain containing body part located above the neck.
I am using the word "chest" to refer to the lung containing body part located below the neck.
I think this is the argument that we defer on
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Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Get your eyes tested on the McNamee one, mate.
I am using the word "head" to refer the brain containing body part located above the neck.
I am using the word "chest" to refer to the lung containing body part located below the neck.
I think this is the argument that we defer on
I gathered that's what you were saying, pal. Hence why I said you need your eyes tested.
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
From the Tyrone GAA website, red card offences include:
To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or kneeNo mention of swinging or pointed elbows. No mention of natural positions. No mention of it being deliberate. Strike with the elbow = red card.
A clear red card all year long. But despite being hoisted on your own petard, keep fighting your own fight.
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Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Get your eyes tested on the McNamee one, mate.
I am using the word "head" to refer the brain containing body part located above the neck.
I am using the word "chest" to refer to the lung containing body part located below the neck.
I think this is the argument that we defer on
I gathered that's what you were saying, pal. Hence why I said you need your eyes tested.
I know you are not going to change your mind so I'm not going to try. But I would plead with you to do just one thing - hand over your car keys and driver's licence to a responsible adult. You cannot in good conscience take to the road in control of a vehicle. Being totally serious. Calm down and start to believe what your eyes are really seeing.
You lads are nobody to complain about men going down given the antics of Jordan, McGuigan and McCann in the past., and the master diver, Big Sean
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Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
From the Tyrone GAA website, red card offences include:
To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee
No mention of swinging or pointed elbows. No mention of natural positions. No mention of it being deliberate. Strike with the elbow = red card.
A clear red card all year long. But despite being hoisted on your own petard, keep fighting your own fight.
You have lost the run of yourself there. The arm is tucked against his own body. Any contact with his elbow in that position cannot be a red card?
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
From the Tyrone GAA website, red card offences include:
To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee
No mention of swinging or pointed elbows. No mention of natural positions. No mention of it being deliberate. Strike with the elbow = red card.
A clear red card all year long. But despite being hoisted on your own petard, keep fighting your own fight.
You have lost the run of yourself there. The arm is tucked against his own body. Any contact with his elbow in that position cannot be a red card?
He struck an opponent with his elbow, as you admitted earlier. Stone wall red card, per rule book.
Anyone who thinks the McCann challenge is a red card should forget about ever going to a game of football.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 24, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Anyone who thinks the McCann challenge is a red card should forget about ever going to a game of football.
He jumped into a player leading with his elbow causing the player to get 14 stitches...on what planet is that not a red card?? He got a man sent off for rubbing his f**king head!!!
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
From the Tyrone GAA website, red card offences include:
To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee
No mention of swinging or pointed elbows. No mention of natural positions. No mention of it being deliberate. Strike with the elbow = red card.
A clear red card all year long. But despite being hoisted on your own petard, keep fighting your own fight.
You have lost the run of yourself there. The arm is tucked against his own body. Any contact with his elbow in that position cannot be a red card?
He struck an opponent with his elbow, as you admitted earlier. Stone wall red card, per rule book.
I said he made contact with the elbow. Not all contact is a strike, You do know that????
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Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:59:53 PM
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Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
Get your eyes tested on the McNamee one, mate.
I am using the word "head" to refer the brain containing body part located above the neck.
I am using the word "chest" to refer to the lung containing body part located below the neck.
I think this is the argument that we defer on
I gathered that's what you were saying, pal. Hence why I said you need your eyes tested.
I know you are not going to change your mind so I'm not going to try. But I would plead with you to do just one thing - hand over your car keys and driver's licence to a responsible adult. You cannot in good conscience take to the road in control of a vehicle. Being totally serious. Calm down and start to believe what your eyes are really seeing.
I think you're in denial and trying to reflect your own insecurities onto me.
Quote from: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 24, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Anyone who thinks the McCann challenge is a red card should forget about ever going to a game of football.
He jumped into a player leading with his elbow causing the player to get 14 stitches...on what planet is that not a red card?? He got a man sent off for rubbing his f**king head!!!
The injury the player picked up, while awful is irrelevant to whether its a red card or not, as is McCanns previous history of transgressions .
Im sorry lads, thats not a red in a million years
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 24, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 24, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
People are seeing what they want to see.
I see clear evidence of McNamee striking to the head - not the chest. Bang to rights on that one. Should have been a red card.
McCann does make contact with the elbow but its not a swinging or a pointed elbow. Its tight against his body in a natural position. If he did that deliberately he disguised it brilliantly. No red card
From the Tyrone GAA website, red card offences include:
To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee
No mention of swinging or pointed elbows. No mention of natural positions. No mention of it being deliberate. Strike with the elbow = red card.
A clear red card all year long. But despite being hoisted on your own petard, keep fighting your own fight.
You have lost the run of yourself there. The arm is tucked against his own body. Any contact with his elbow in that position cannot be a red card?
He struck an opponent with his elbow, as you admitted earlier. Stone wall red card, per rule book.
I said he made contact with the elbow. Not all contact is a strike, You do know that????
Of course I do, but in the interests of fairness, I googled strike.
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/strike
to deliver (a blow or stroke) to (a person)
to come or cause to come into sudden or violent contact (with)
Based on the above, it was a clear strike and a clear red card.
You shouldn't drink on a sunday night.
It clearly wasn't a strike.
If anything it was dangerous and wreckless, it's certainly not clear cut in any way. Only McCann will know if there was any intent involved.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 24, 2016, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 24, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Anyone who thinks the McCann challenge is a red card should forget about ever going to a game of football.
He jumped into a player leading with his elbow causing the player to get 14 stitches...on what planet is that not a red card?? He got a man sent off for rubbing his f**king head!!!
The injury the player picked up, while awful is irrelevant to whether its a red card or not, as is McCanns previous history of transgressions .
Im sorry lads, thats not a red in a million years
Jumping into a player leading with the elbow and connecting with his head is a clear red card all day long. It's also a dirty and cowardly act!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 24, 2016, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 24, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Anyone who thinks the McCann challenge is a red card should forget about ever going to a game of football.
He jumped into a player leading with his elbow causing the player to get 14 stitches...on what planet is that not a red card?? He got a man sent off for rubbing his f**king head!!!
The injury the player picked up, while awful is irrelevant to whether its a red card or not, as is McCanns previous history of transgressions .
Im sorry lads, thats not a red in a million years
Jumping into a player leading with the elbow and connecting with his head is a clear red card all day long. It's also a dirty and cowardly act!!
You should get a dialysis machine to remove some of that bitterness from you.
Context is needed here.
Jumping into a player leading with the elbow - there was a breaking ball there, McCann wasn't the only lad throwing himself into the mix there, the ball is patted down the opposite way and McCann has to change direction from his momentum to follow it. It's very unlucky for Rogers but I'm not sure of the malice or intent there from McCann. You could make a case for a red card on grounds of dangerous or reckless play but certainly not striking or intent - that's just your bitterness coming to the fore.
Just see it there, don't know if its a red card, but its a def yellow, the fact that the ref was straight in front of it and didn't give a free like the Lynn incident says volumes about his capacity to ref, not a wonder they bringing in the women to ref
A hell of a lot of whinging here from Derry supporters - they are really letting themselves down. If Derry had of closed it out in the dying seconds and held on to win by a point, then none of these non-events being scrutinised would have been mentioned. Derry need to learn from their mistakes and not continue to make excuses.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 10:29:36 PM
It clearly wasn't a strike.
If anything it was dangerous and wreckless, it's certainly not clear cut in any way. Only McCann will know if there was any intent involved.
Not a strike, but dangerous and reckless you say?
From gaa.ie, among the list of Immediate Ordering Off Infractions (Red Cards)
Inflicting injury recklessly.
http://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/rules-regulations/
A clear red card all year long.
A lot of Derry boys on here obviously jealous of Tiernan's winter tan.
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
Haha this has made my day. Season hasn't begun and we've already bate Derry three times. We've Armagh commentators losing the run of themselves and now the first BBT (big bad Tyrone) campaign of the season has begun. Great craic.
God its great being better than derry!
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
The video they are talking about was posted by the Derry video analyst FFS he's about as responsible with his work as his boss on a pitch.
The bit of jundyin' against Derry in the McKenna cup is one thing but if any of that retaliatory or reactionary stuff (no need) happens at the latter end of the year (should we be there) against the Saintly Dubs, Mayonesians or Yerra's, we're screwed. McCurry seemed to use the skirmish he was involved in to his advantage by playing a stormer. That's how you win the fight.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 24, 2016, 10:29:36 PM
It clearly wasn't a strike.
If anything it was dangerous and wreckless, it's certainly not clear cut in any way. Only McCann will know if there was any intent involved.
Dangerous and wreckless you say but not a strike....OK...have a read of rule 5 and in particular the parts in bold.
To the letter of the law, he should have been sent off. So should McKindless for the sliding tackle. So should whoever that was who took Lynn out. An so should everyone who was involved in the incident along the endline.
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
head, arm, elbow, hand or knee.
5.2 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with
minimal force.
5.3 To kick an opponent, either with force or
causing injury.
5.4 To attempt to kick an opponent, with force.
5.5 To stamp on an opponent.
5.6 To behave in any way which is dangerous to
an opponent.5.7 To inflict injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than those stated above.5.8 To spit at an opponent.
5.9 To contribute to a melee5.10 To strike, attempt to strike, to interfere with,
or to use threatening or abusive language or
conduct to a Match Official.
5.11 To assault an opposing Team Official.
Penalty for the above Fouls -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free kick from where Foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
5.12 To commit any of the fouls listed in Rule 5.1 to
Rule 5.8 inclusive against a team-mate.
Penalty -
(i) Order offender off.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
A path well worn by a few of our Ulster friends. While they're using every avenue of media to whinge at the minute I predict that come championship time they will be refusing to speak to the media creating a seige mentality.............
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Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
A path well worn by a few of our Ulster friends. While they're using every avenue of media to whinge at the minute I predict that come championship time they will be refusing to speak to the media creating a seige mentality.............
The way you lads don't speak to RTE??!!! :o :o :o
Quote from: red hander on January 24, 2016, 07:18:58 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 24, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
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Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 24, 2016, 09:43:14 AM
The Fix for Six starts here.
The Tyronies will be in heaven at seven, at this stage it must rank as one of the greatest GAA achievements this century, 5 in a row, unbelievable achievement. must bode well for croke park in september.
Winning is better than losing though! How's your strategy of losing games going for you?
I agree, I am saying it is an unbelievable achievement, you all must be very proud.
Nah, we're prouder of our three Sams. That's three Sams...
You should start a thread about that, staying on topic I'll say again, unbelievable achievement 5 McKenna Cups in a row, doubt it will ever be matched, amazing achievement, fair play.
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 12:42:10 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2016, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
A path well worn by a few of our Ulster friends. While they're using every avenue of media to whinge at the minute I predict that come championship time they will be refusing to speak to the media creating a seige mentality.............
The way you lads don't speak to RTE??!!! :o :o :o
At least they want to speak to us, yous boys are well gone by the time rte get interested in ulster!
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2016, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 12:42:10 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2016, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
A path well worn by a few of our Ulster friends. While they're using every avenue of media to whinge at the minute I predict that come championship time they will be refusing to speak to the media creating a seige mentality.............
The way you lads don't speak to RTE??!!! :o :o :o
At least they want to speak to us, yous boys are well gone by the time rte get interested in ulster!
Ironically Tyrone were actually the first team out in Ulster last year..
AI a different competition.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 25, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 25, 2016, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 12:42:10 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 25, 2016, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 24, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
I suspect the Derry management will blow every incident from Saturday nights game and potential incidents from the upcoming league game out of all proportion in the media over the the coming weeks. Emmett McGuckin already dipped his toe into this tactic with the comments about Mickey sending Cathal McCarron on to get him sent off. They know the media will jump all over these sort of things regarding Tyrone and by the time the Championship comes around such a frenzy will be created that any self respecting referee will head to Celtic Park to teach Tyrone a lesson by ignoring all claims for frees and sending off as many Tyrone players as he can.
Derry will kick the shite out of Tyrone knowing they will get away with blue murder against the big bad Tyrone machine and win by a point. The perfect plan by Barton who will be lauded as a genius.
It'll all backfire though as Tyrone lift Sam again by our favoured backdoor route and Derry lose to Cavan next time out and Wicklow in a qualifier.
A path well worn by a few of our Ulster friends. While they're using every avenue of media to whinge at the minute I predict that come championship time they will be refusing to speak to the media creating a seige mentality.............
The way you lads don't speak to RTE??!!! :o :o :o
At least they want to speak to us, yous boys are well gone by the time rte get interested in ulster!
Ironically Tyrone were actually the first team out in Ulster last year..
AI a different competition.
But were the last team in Ulster still standing come the business end of the year. This has been the case for 2 out of the last 3 years, you know?
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Anyone who thinks the McCann challenge is a red card should forget about ever going to a game of football.
He jumped into a player leading with his elbow causing the player to get 14 stitches...on what planet is that not a red card?? He got a man sent off for rubbing his f**king head!!!
The injury the player picked up, while awful is irrelevant to whether its a red card or not, as is McCanns previous history of transgressions .
Im sorry lads, thats not a red in a million years
Jumping into a player leading with the elbow and connecting with his head is a clear red card all day long. It's also a dirty and cowardly act!!
It's a bad act to jump into a man's chest when he's wide open like that.
Very dangerous.
Apologies for the comparison but in rugby you aren't allowed to jump into the tackle. In this case McCann jumps into Rogers and his elbow has collided with his mouth. I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Kennelly incident on Murphy but it was dangerous and negligent nonetheless.
If there was such a policy in place I'd give McCann a one game ban and that would be it.
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
Think you have got that spot on Walter
Quote from: Any craic on January 23, 2016, 11:02:23 PM
See some of the mayhem from tonight in this one-minute video..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/23/news/mckenna-cup-final-tyrone-v-derry-391922/?param=ds441rif44T
I have changed my mind on this McKenna Cup, it was a stroke of genius to turn it into a satire on cage fighting.
The false penalty save routine was also good for a laugh. penalty saved - one side roars, - oops ... butterfingers -- scored on the rebound -- the other side roars and all in the space of a second.
Anyway, congratulations to Tyrone on their Nth title victory (lost count of just how many).
I see that Mickey Harte, the jubilant winning manager, has taken Bennyharps' McKenna cup affirmation 'better to win than to lose' and run with it. Though post match altering it bizarrely to "I would rather be using than losing"
Surely Mickey is not openly supporting the use of illegal substances in sport?
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Quote from: Any craic on January 23, 2016, 11:02:23 PM
See some of the mayhem from tonight in this one-minute video..
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/01/23/news/mckenna-cup-final-tyrone-v-derry-391922/?param=ds441rif44T
I have changed my mind on this McKenna Cup, it was a stroke of genius to turn it into a satire on cage fighting.
The false penalty save routine was also good for a laugh. penalty saved - one side roars, - oops ... butterfingers -- scored on the rebound -- the other side roars and all in the space of a second.
Anyway, congratulations to Tyrone on their Nth title victory (lost count of just how many).
I see that Mickey Harte, the jubilant winning manager, has taken Bennyharps' McKenna cup affirmation 'better to win than to lose' and run with it. Though post match altering it bizarrely to "I would rather be using than losing"
Surely Mickey is not openly supporting the use of illegal substances in sport?
Monaghan would know all there is to about doping.
I wouldn't be complaining if Armagh were in the position Tyrone are. As much as I enjoy ridiculing them they've won matches, tried players out and have something to show for it with momentum going into the NFL.
Quote from: general_lee on January 25, 2016, 11:44:53 AM
I wouldn't be complaining if Armagh were in the position Tyrone are. As much as I enjoy ridiculing them they've won matches, tried players out and have something to show for it with momentum going into the NFL.
This is exactly it. Nobody really cares about the trophy, its the games and the opportunity to try players in a competitive environment that is important. If you win its a bonus (and is better than losing ;D), but not the end of the world. That game v Derry was better than any number of in house games or friendlies. Having 7,000 blood boiled spectators at that game created an atmosphere which you cant recreate in friendlies. It is a better attendance than some games down the country will get in their provincial championship and enables you to judge a players aptitude and appetite for the big occasion that little bit better. This can give a manager the confidence to throw a new player (such as Sludden who excelled when he came in) into a bigger game and know he can cope.
I wonder who Monaghan and Armagh where playing last weekend in preparation for the national league and how much the management learned about their new players in those games?
But then weight that up against getting two injuries to very key players for Derry which could be very damaging long term, Lynn in particular. Bigger fish to fry further down the line but certainly good preparation for the league. I think Derry and Tyrone will both finish in the top 2 in the league.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 25, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
But then weight that up against getting two injuries to very key players for Derry which could be very damaging long term, Lynn in particular. Bigger fish to fry further down the line but certainly good preparation for the league. I think Derry and Tyrone will both finish in the top 2 in the league.
I think Derry and Tyrone will top Div 2. Another meeting of them in Croke Park few weeks before the championship is what everyone really needs.
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: general_lee on January 25, 2016, 11:44:53 AM
I wouldn't be complaining if Armagh were in the position Tyrone are. As much as I enjoy ridiculing them they've won matches, tried players out and have something to show for it with momentum going into the NFL.
I wonder who Monaghan and Armagh where playing last weekend in preparation for the national league and how much the management learned about their new players in those games?
Exactly. Armagh played Roscommon (won) and Antrim (bate) albeit with a second string out. But gimme a match under lights and a decent crowd any day again you lot or the aristocrats to get the players (and supporters) fired up for the season ahead
Few observations from the game last Saturday night;
1. Athletic Grounds is a great place for a game, compact and generally a super atmosphere
2. Mooney the referee was out of his depth - not up to that level yet...
3. Derry should have won in normal time, that is twice now that they have missed the opportunity to put Tyrone away. That will play on the mind set of the full camp involved.
4. Derry led by 4 at HT with slight breeze to come and should have played a more attacking style, seemed to hold on to whatever they had instead of pushing for home
5. Barton has 100% certainly improved Derry as he done with all his previous teams at club level but can he get them over the line - which he failed to do with all his previous club teams !!
6. Both teams very fit for January and both will do well in NFL
7. Tyrone were poor in 1st half but half time subs give them a more potent threat up front which in the end was the difference
8. No wonder Daniel McKinless has dislocated both knees if that is the way he tackles
9. Tiernan McCann needs to be careful in future. He is gaining too much unwanted attention be it his tackling, his tan, his hair but it is time to let his football do the talking.
10. Both teams have unearthed some promising new talent and this augers well for both camps.
11. Conor Meyler was immense for his contribution, single handily turned the game in Tyrones favour and was then helped by the introduction of Sludden and McCurry.
12. For Derry I thought Gareth McKinless, Emmett Bradley, Conor McAtamney, Enda Lynn and James Kielt were best
13. Chrissy McKaigue is a super player and he kept Mattie Donnelly quiet but left the middle channel wide open as he followed Donnelly and Tyrone took full advantage with Meyler / Sludden and others galloping straight up the middle every attack. He either needs to sit or not play no.6
14. For Tyrone I thought HP McGeary, Conor McAliskey, Conor Meyler, Lee Brennan and Darren McCurry were best.
15. Derry will win the NFL game as Tyrone are poor in Omagh and the Championship will be a draw. There is not much between these teams at the minute and current relationships are bringing this back to the cauldron that was the 90's.
Finally would like to wish both Brendan Rogers and Enda Lynn all the best in their respective recovery. As a parent, it is not nice to watch your young lad lying injured on a pitch and hope they recover soon. Rogers looks seriously young and whilst I know he is in his early 20's he looks even younger.
That is only my opinion ......
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
I condemned him. Loads did.
However we also recognised he was then treated unfairly by the powers that be and it was the punishment we/I condemned.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Just because you keep posting it doesn't mean its not complete bullsh1t.
I condemned McCann on here at the time, as did the vast majority of Tyrone posters.
Tyrone people may have defended him against the ridiculous 8 week ban that was thrown at him, but I cant recall a single person condoning the dive itself.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Lenny - think you are 100% in the wrong here. Any right minded Tyrone GAA person condemned McCann for his actions and if my memory serves me right Philly Jordan did so the following Thursday in the IN. If you go back to the thread at that time he got plenty of abuse from his own people. However, the Tyrone people did not like the media witch hunt that singled him out but not a word about any of the Monaghan antics - Beggan diving after running 50 yards to get into a melee, Kieran Hughes made a meal out of Meylers challenge and he got a black card as a result. That was the issue plus the farcical 8 week ban - McCann was certainly got plenty of stick from within his own county
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 03:33:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 25, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
What is McCann at?
I actually tried to defend him with the Monaghan incident but he's done it again on Saturday night and nots the only time since Monaghan game. If I was him I'd be trying to stay on my feet even if big Sucky Bell was boxing the head of me!
And on another note - whats Mickeys policies on sunbeds? McCann is surely frequenting them a bit too much too! ::)
The problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
2 mins searching on this board brought up the following comments from Tyrone posters. (Search for the thread if you want more)
QuoteDive was terrible and def soured a good performance
QuoteGreat performance from Tyrone overall. Disappointed in McCann and I'm sure TSG will rightly focus on it tomorrow night.
(From me as well!! ;D
Quotefor the record I have no time for the actions of McCann
Quote( apart from mccanns dive, something he should Def get a ban for, can't stand that shite)
QuoteMcCanns dive was a disgrace and he should be very ashamed of himself.
QuotePoor from McCann the way he went down,
So as I said earlier, nonsense, just like most of your posts to be honest.
I think I'm more annoyed about his tan - not sure whether its jealousy or I'm worried for his health, he must be on them constant or else the weather in Killyclogher has got a lot better since the last time I was there! ;D
Or it could be the fact he's not long home from a holiday in Australia ?
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 04:15:47 PM
I think I'm more annoyed about his tan - not sure whether its jealousy or I'm worried for his health, he must be on them constant or else the weather in Killyclogher has got a lot better since the last time I was there! ;D
Apparently he's been in Australia the last few weeks which explains the tan. . .
I see the Tyrone supporters group on Facebook took great pleasure in "Damian Barton on his arse... Same place Pascal Canavan put him 20 years ago" (He didn't actually but why let the truth get in the way of a cheap laugh!). . . I think Barton was down there on purpose probably the safest place for him with Fergus about!! :o :o
It'll be jealousy then - Great tan!
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 25, 2016, 04:15:47 PM
I think I'm more annoyed about his tan - not sure whether its jealousy or I'm worried for his health, he must be on them constant or else the weather in Killyclogher has got a lot better since the last time I was there! ;D
Apparently he's been in Australia the last few weeks which explains the tan. . .
I see the Tyrone supporters group on Facebook took great pleasure in "Damian Barton on his arse... Same place Pascal Canavan put him 20 years ago" (He didn't actually but why let the truth get in the way of a cheap laugh!). . . I think Barton was down there on purpose probably the safest place for him with Fergus about!! :o :o
Cheap shot. Sure the man has enough demons without a troll like yourself compounding them.
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
That's a backtrack.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
The lovely queen of c&w Tammy would also have a degree of familiarity with Tyrone, having grown up in Whitetrash, Mississippi.
On McCann, I never thought I would say this, but I am beginning to miss the pint sized runt, Penrose.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
Quote from: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 12:42:23 AM
Wasn't at it but just heard bits and pieces. On the schemozzle yeah it was a wreckless tackle a yellow card but nothing more, the dive was a bit much for me but McNamee deserved his second yellow as well regardless, McKinless is close to the Loughshore so your own nonsense may have rubbed off on him. Barton coming running over was a bit ridiculous but I wasn't sad to see McCarron getting sent off as he well deserved it.
In term of Barton running over it looked like a bit of fire and passion and if it instills it into our lads then fair enough.
All in all we should have closed the game out and we also shouldn't have disappeared in Extra time. Wouldn't read a whole pile into it for Championship save to say it will be tighter than many around the Country think. Tyrone for their run last year aren't as good as made out and I'd still fancy Donegal and Monaghan against them in Ulster. We aren't as bad as shown last year and I think Barton and Scullion will lift the whole team. We won't win Ulster and we may not win thr first round but I think we'll give the Tymoanies a real rattle!
I don't see why he should be condemned he ran over and didn't actually do anything like I said it was ridiculous and there was really no need but I'm not sure why it should be condemned. McCann elbowed a guy causing him to have surgery and 14 stitches. . . they are hardly the same thing!!!
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So would you feel Barton should be handed a 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
So you are defending Barton now? So you see how this internet thing works now?
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
Believe me Lenny - Feargal has done many a good turn for Derry players both at county and club level in recent past. Don't be so quick to ridicule !!
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
So you are defending Barton now? So you see how this internet thing works now?
How am i defending hm? I said he was out of order and should be punished accordingly. You have still failed to say mccann was out of order for his dive or cowardly elbow.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I posted quotes above showing Tyrones posters feelings on McCann, including my own. As I said earlier, I'll forgive your as I know the turmoil you Derry Wans are under at the minute. Must be hard to concentrate.
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
So you are defending Barton now? So you see how this internet thing works now?
How am i defending hm? I said he was out of order and should be punished accordingly. You have still failed to say mccann was out of order for his dive or cowardly elbow.
Your manager runs 60 yards to push an opposition player. I find this repugnant. (Your word) Another player sprints 60 yards to slide tackle a player who could easily have been bending down to pick up the ball, when pushed he falls to the ground holding his face to get another player sent off. I find this repugnant. The same player kicks away a ball off the tee, cheating to run down the clock to win a pointless pre season game, not in itself repugnant but certainly terrible sportsmanship and uncalled for. However, in my view his action was to incite a reaction and get further men sent off. I find this repugnant.
If every poster from every county was called upon to condemn every incident then there'd not be much more else to read. Again, for your benefit Lenny, McCanns dive was repugnant as was the media witch hunt afterwards. His incident on Saturday, whilst having an unfortunate outcome, was reckless but no more or no less than other incidents in the game, especially that sliding tackle which your compatriots are not prepared to condemn in the same way you expect us to condemn McCann.
Can I just squeeze this report in the middle of all these demands for condemnation....
That's some substitute activity below
McKenna Cup final: Red Hands find that bit extra
23 January 2016
Tyrone 1-22
Derry 1-17
(after extra-time)
Tyrone are celebrating a record breaking fifth Dr McKenna Cup success in-a-row following a drama filled final against Derry at the Athletic Grounds tonight.
Extra-time was required to separate the sides and a return of six points without reply during the first period of extra-time sent the Red Hands on the road to victory.
In front of an official attendance of 7,143, Darren McCurry applied the gloss to their performance when converting a penalty three minutes from time.
Tempers flared in the closing stages of normal time and Tyrone lost the services of Cathal McCarron (red card) and Ronan McNamee (two yellows). Daniel McKinless (two yellows) and manager Damian Barton were sent off for the Oak Leafers.
Derry appeared to have one hand on the silverware when holding a three point lead but they were left cursing their luck after late points from Conor Meyler (2) and McCurry sent the decider into extra-time.
The scoreboard read Tyrone 0-15, Derry 1-12 at the end of the regulation 70 minutes. Ryan Bell had netted the game's opening goal in the 30th minute and, as a result, Derry enjoyed a 1-5 to 0-4 lead at the halfway stage.
Tyrone substitute Conor McAliskey and Emmet Bradley traded points at the start of the second-half and Niall Sludden set up a grandstand finish when getting the holders men back on level terms – 0-12 to 1-9 – with 10 minutes to play.
Derry's response was to kick three unanswered points from Enda Lynn (2) and Conor Kearns but the Red Hands refused to throw in the towel and their perseverance was rewarded.
Tyrone - N Morgan; C McCarron, R McNamee, HP McGeary (0-1); T McCann (0-1), J McMahon, B Tierney; C Cavanagh, C Clarke; H Og Conlan, M Donnelly, C McShane (0-3); L Brennan (0-4, 2f), R O'Neill (0-1), P Quinn.
Subs: P McNulty for C Clarke, C McAliskey (0-3f) for P Quinn, C Meyler (0-3, 1f) for H Og Conlan, D McCurry (1-3, 1-0pen, 0-1f) for R O'Neill, N Sludden (0-2) for J McMahon, J Munroe (0-1) for C McShane, K McGeary, C McCann, P Hampsey for B Tierney, C McShane for HP McGeary.
Derry - T Mallon; M Craig, C Mullan, K McKaigue; G McKinless, C McKaigue, D Heavron; B Rogers, E Bradley (0-2); E Lynn (0-3), J Kielt (0-3, 2f), B Heron; S Heavron, C O'Boyle (0-1f), R Bell (1-1, 0-1f).
Subs: C McAtamney (0-1) for B Rogers, C Bradley (0-1) for S Heavron, O Duffy (0-1) for M Craig, C Kearns (0-2) for B Heron, D McKinless for R Bell, N Forrester (0-1) for G McKinless, G McKinless, G McWilliams (0-1f) for J Kielt, P Quinn for D Heavron, S Mulgrew for C Kearns.
Referee - N Mooney.
http://hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=249368
Scullion takes positives from defeat
25 January 2016
Enda Lynn of Derry and Mattie Donnelly of Tyrone
Derry assistant manager Tony Scullion felt Saturday's McKenna Cup final extra-time defeat to Tyrone was ideal preparation for the upcoming Allianz League.
Despite Brendan Rogers requiring 14 stitches to a facial gash and the excellent Enda Lynn sustaining a broken ankle, Scullion insisted that the positives outweighed the negatives.
"You can train seven days a week, but that will beat any training session 10 times over," he said in the Irish News.
"It was absolutely brilliant, but I am just disappointed with our injuries. We need everybody available for us in the League. That's where you need depth to the panel. There were a number of lads there making their debut for Derry. When Damian [Barton] came in here to take the team he said that.
"Everyone was welcomed to come to trials in Owenbeg and we had a number of weekends of trials and clubs sent a number of players they thought were good enough for the Oak Leaf jersey."
Scullion launched a stout defence of the Derry manager who declined to speak to the media after being sent to the stand for getting involved in a second half incident.
"Whatever happened on the line, Damian Barton is there for the love of the game. He is a great Derry man," the 1993 All-Ireland winning corner back added.
http://hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=249449
Ulster chiefs may launch McKenna Cup final probe
25 January 2016
Ulster Council chiefs will trawl through the contents of referee Noel Mooney's report before deciding whether or not to launch an investigation into the second half melee that overshadowed last Saturday's thrilling McKenna Cup final.
The Cavan match official sent off Tyrone's Cathal McCarron and Ronan McNamee on straight red and second yellow cards respectively, while Derry's Daniel McKinless was also ordered off on a second yellow and manager Damian Barton was banished to the stand following the flashpoint.
Ulster GAA President Martin McAviney told the Irish News: "I know it's a standard answer but if there's anything untoward it'll show up in the referee's report. Everything waits until whatever comes in from those games - it's a game that went to extra-time, so everybody was busy - players, management, officials.
"I haven't seen any footage to comment, but the referee and his officials were down at the incident in the corner and I'd be happy they dealt with whatever happened and if they report something we'll deal with it as well."
He added: "It was a good game played at championship pace. Right to the end we thought Derry had won it and then it went to extra-time and overall it was a mighty game."
http://hoganstand.com/Derry/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=249429
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 26, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
He wasn't completely going for the ball you mug. He ran into him! Perhaps he didn't mean to burst him open but to say he was going for the ball is laughable!
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
So you are defending Barton now? So you see how this internet thing works now?
How am i defending hm? I said he was out of order and should be punished accordingly. You have still failed to say mccann was out of order for his dive or cowardly elbow.
McCanns dive was repugnant
Congratulations on being the first tyrone man to say what should have been said at the time.
Quote from: lenny on January 26, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 25, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 25, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 25, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
QuoteThe problem for McCann is that he received absolutely no criticism from within his own county re hairgate. In fact he became almost hero worshipped for his actions - facebook and twitter support groups were set up and so hence he will continue his diving antics as he knows not only is it accepted within his own county, it seems to be lauded.
Complete nonsense. but I understand this is a trying time for you.
I have posted this before and I still await anyone who can post me a link to a tyrone person condemning McCann's dive. There was plenty of condemnation from elsewhere but tyrone people circled the wagons and stuck up for their man.
Tammy Wynette was a Tyrone fan too apparently.
Funny to read tyrone people on here now saying they condemned mccann at the time. To be honest I didn't read any of that condemnation and noone has reposted their comments from the time. What I was talking about was public condemnation from explayers and prominent gaa figures from tyrone. I read and heard plenty of them condemn the stick that mccann was getting but none of them came out and said what mccann did was completely in the wrong. I was watching out for that because it is that sort of public condemnation which influences people not to copy or repeat repugnant behaviour.
I hope you Derry ones are lining up to condemn your managers embarrassing antics on Saturday night! I'd suggest getting your own glass house in order before throwing stones.
I have no problem saying barton was totally out of order. Still waiting for you to say mccann was totally out of order.
So you feel Barton should be handed and 8 week ban then? If he was given that punishment would you defend him or accept that it was appropriate? Most right thinking posters here from Tyrone, including me, called McCanns dive for was what it was. The defence of him was regarding the outrageous over reaction from the media and proposed 8 week ban that was actually against the rules of the organisation. I don't understand how you can't separate those two things?
Maybe the whole of the Derry public coming out and condemning Barton's behavior will stop this repugnant behaviour from him in the future, We'll wait and see!
Barton was out of order but you couldnt call his behaviour repugnant. He will get the appropriate punishment and will accept it like a man unlike the numerous tyrone players who have employed fergal to get their bans overturned. Mccanns behaviour on the other hand was unquestionably repugnant both for the dive and for his cowardly elbow on sat evening.
So you are defending Barton now? So you see how this internet thing works now?
How am i defending hm? I said he was out of order and should be punished accordingly. You have still failed to say mccann was out of order for his dive or cowardly elbow.
McCanns dive was repugnant
Congratulations on being the first tyrone man to say what should have been said at the time.
How many examples of Tyrone posters commenting on McCann do you need to be reposted before you drop the little fantasy you have in your head about them not condemning his behaviour? I will state it again, we were defending him from the repugnant (your word) media witch hunt and ridiculous makey uppy 8 week ban!! If Derry ever get to a position where the media in general ever give a shite about them and their players, it will be interesting to hear you lot defend the actions of your out of control manager and the repugnant actions of the likes of McKinless et al. Somehow though, I suspect we will never find out.
Benny I wouldn't waste your time. It just takes things a little longer to sink in with some of the inbreds. The evidence is there for him, I'm sure the penny will drop in time for the Mckenna cup 2017.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 26, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
Jesus wept the BBC and that muppet Watson took great joy in showing it was thuggery at the very least masked in a football match, but as long as you enjoyed the highlights!
I'd rather watch a game like that than a non-competitive game in most other places around the country this time of year.
Some absolute quality forwards on both sides who will do damage this year and I think Tyrone and Derry will be 1 and 2 in div2 this year.
Quote from: No wides on January 26, 2016, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 26, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
Jesus wept the BBC and that muppet Watson took great joy in showing it was thuggery at the very least masked in a football match, but as long as you enjoyed the highlights!
I'm guessing you didn't see the entire game up there on your pedestal!
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: No wides on January 26, 2016, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 26, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
Jesus wept the BBC and that muppet Watson took great joy in showing it was thuggery at the very least masked in a football match, but as long as you enjoyed the highlights!
I'm guessing you didn't see the entire game up there on your pedestal!
Neither did the majority who saw the BBC's highlights, what's your point?
Quote from: No wides on January 26, 2016, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: No wides on January 26, 2016, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 26, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
Jesus wept the BBC and that muppet Watson took great joy in showing it was thuggery at the very least masked in a football match, but as long as you enjoyed the highlights!
I'm guessing you didn't see the entire game up there on your pedestal!
Neither did the majority who saw the BBC's highlights, what's your point?
Very difficult for Omaghjoe to see the full game live in the AG and him living in Southern California !!.
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 26, 2016, 10:43:36 AM
Very difficult for Omaghjoe to see the full game live in the AG and him living in Southern California !!.
He could have seen the whole shocking hallionfest on Armagh TV.
I watched the hit from Mc Cann on the ipad last night over and over and over and over and over (your getting the picture) again. Was it deliberate, without doubt, he was no where near the ball, he jumped with both feet off the ground into a static player, he raised his elbow. The ref was at best two arms length away and actually looked at Rodgers as he fell unto the ground. Really don't know how you could describe the refs inaction, he saw it, you can see him looking at it, incompetence doesn't actually reflect the magnitude of the incompetence considering the serious injury sustained. Mc Cann has questions to answer and is portraying himself as a man of dubious character AGAIN.
Mc Kindless has not form in this regard, a potentially very dangerous tackle, hopefully he will see the error of his way.
You should watch it another time then as McCann was very close to actually picking up the break off the throw in, he missed it and then clattered into Rogers (who by the way come up with such a witty original response on Twitter - so funny). It was certainly reckless and probably worthy of a yellow card in my opinion. Thats my pennys worth anyway. But have to say I am looking forward to another season on the GAA Board where everything that Tyrone do is picked up on and we have about 10 pages debate with Tyronies and ABTs on every single incident.
Quote from: square_ball on January 26, 2016, 12:24:46 PM
You should watch it another time then as McCann was very close to actually picking up the break off the throw in, he missed it and then clattered into Rogers (who by the way come up with such a witty original response on Twitter - so funny). It was certainly reckless and probably worthy of a yellow card in my opinion. Thats my pennys worth anyway. But have to say I am looking forward to another season on the GAA Board where everything that Tyrone do is picked up on and we have about 10 pages debate with Tyronies and ABTs on every single incident.
It was about the only decent thing to come form the sorry mess!!!!
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 26, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Jaysus Im kinda ragin that things got so mad on here with the inbreds and I missed out on it.
Just watched the highlights on bbc there and read thru this thread, looked like a great game. Thought Scullion comments afterwards where spot on just two teams goin at it hell for leather. Injuries where unfortunate McCann looked to be completely going for the ball, just one of those things.
At the same time it must be seriously sickening for the inbreds to commit so fully into putting a marker down against Tyrone twice and end up on their ass both times. Indeed Barton's charge and dump was maybe a very good analogy for Derrys effort in these two matches
I have heard it all now.A Tyrone person calling someone an inbred. Nearly fell off my chair laughing, crazy stuff. :o :o :o :o
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Yeah the Cavanagh's and McCann are real men, they would never lie down!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Lol Liam Hinphey. Digging deep there!
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Aye, and less whingeing (marginally)
Quote from: red hander on January 26, 2016, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Aye, and less whingeing (marginally)
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/49/4963f64b9c28b8d9113e61189a72f9eba1ac1a2ebe76f87807708c830668a02f.jpg)
Permatan McCann at wing forward, jumping about the field like the Tom Daley of Gaelic Football and the corner back who spends his time niggling and prodding his direct opponent in an attempt to get him sent off. If manliness was embodied by "limp legs" Jordan when Marsden rubbed his face, then yes indeed, the great hard men of Tyrone surely fit that bill.
*And I haven't even mentioned Cavanagh yet.
Quote from: Franko on January 26, 2016, 04:01:57 PM
Permatan McCann at wing forward, jumping about the field like the Tom Daley of Gaelic Football and the corner back who spends his time niggling and prodding his direct opponent in an attempt to get him sent off. If manliness was embodied by "limp legs" Jordan when Marsden rubbed his face, then yes indeed, the great hard men of Tyrone surely fit that bill.
*And I haven't even mentioned Cavanagh yet.
Hows Jamie Clarke and his coffee tasting club getting on?
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 26, 2016, 04:01:57 PM
Permatan McCann at wing forward, jumping about the field like the Tom Daley of Gaelic Football and the corner back who spends his time niggling and prodding his direct opponent in an attempt to get him sent off. If manliness was embodied by "limp legs" Jordan when Marsden rubbed his face, then yes indeed, the great hard men of Tyrone surely fit that bill.
*And I haven't even mentioned Cavanagh yet.
Hows Jamie Clarke and his coffee tasting club getting on?
What the f**k are you on about??!!
Im sure the Derry County Board wont be too pleased with both their manager and assistant manager/trainer being sent to the stand on Saturday night.
Either of them hardly covered themselves in glory.
Poor reflection IMO.
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 26, 2016, 04:01:57 PM
Permatan McCann at wing forward, jumping about the field like the Tom Daley of Gaelic Football and the corner back who spends his time niggling and prodding his direct opponent in an attempt to get him sent off. If manliness was embodied by "limp legs" Jordan when Marsden rubbed his face, then yes indeed, the great hard men of Tyrone surely fit that bill.
*And I haven't even mentioned Cavanagh yet.
Hows Jamie Clarke and his coffee tasting club getting on?
What the f**k are you on about??!!
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 26, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 26, 2016, 04:01:57 PM
Permatan McCann at wing forward, jumping about the field like the Tom Daley of Gaelic Football and the corner back who spends his time niggling and prodding his direct opponent in an attempt to get him sent off. If manliness was embodied by "limp legs" Jordan when Marsden rubbed his face, then yes indeed, the great hard men of Tyrone surely fit that bill.
*And I haven't even mentioned Cavanagh yet.
Hows Jamie Clarke and his coffee tasting club getting on?
What the f**k are you on about??!!
Maybe he wants to know how easy it goes down?
It would suit the Derry fans better to concentrate on how well their county team has begun this season instead of continually analysing incidents that occurred during their two meetings with tyrone. If I were a Derry fan I would be more than pleased with the way Barton and co seem to have instilled a bit of bite back into the jersey after so many years of mediocrity. I didn't hear tony scullion whinging about mcnamee, McCann etc. just be glad that your county are back performing better than they have done for quite some years and that tyrone v Derry games are now like those in the 90's.
A peculiar type of mindset that seems to derive more pleasure from the wrongdoing of others outside the camp (perceived or otherwise) than celebrating the things going right within......
Derry have perennially had the potential to achieve...but never seem to crack the mental aspect of the game to provide the level of consistency that sets the top teams apart.
O'Kane, Lynch, Muldoon, assorted Bradleys, Kielt, etc.....so many good players.....shoulda achieved so much more..
As Phiilp Larkin put it.... "Yet still they leave us holding wretched stalks of disappointment"
Ah well.....fcuk them.....long may it continue...... ;)
Quote from: gaafan2 on January 26, 2016, 07:50:43 PM
It would suit the Derry fans better to concentrate on how well their county team has begun this season instead of continually analysing incidents that occurred during their two meetings with tyrone. If I were a Derry fan I would be more than pleased with the way Barton and co seem to have instilled a bit of bite back into the jersey after so many years of mediocrity. I didn't hear tony scullion whinging about mcnamee, McCann etc. just be glad that your county are back performing better than they have done for quite some years and that tyrone v Derry games are now like those in the 90's.
Amen to that. Ok, so there were a few dodgy incidents on both sides. Get over it! paralysis by analysis and he said she said saids. Tyrone are a solid team and these games will stand a developing Derry team in good stead going forward.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Laughable.
Lets remind ourselves of the "men" Tyrone have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhZI0pM9bQ
I like that term "bad smell". It follows this Tyrone team around and has done for some time.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2016, 12:41:58 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Laughable.
Lets remind ourselves of the "men" Tyrone have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhZI0pM9bQ
I like that term "bad smell". It follows this Tyrone team around and has done for some time.
This is McKenna Cup thread - it has nothing to do with how Monaghan behaved in All Ireland QF. Tyrone got involved that day and have probably learned their lesson.
Quote from: WT4E on January 27, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2016, 12:41:58 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Laughable.
Lets remind ourselves of the "men" Tyrone have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhZI0pM9bQ
I like that term "bad smell". It follows this Tyrone team around and has done for some time.
This is McKenna Cup thread - it has nothing to do with how Monaghan behaved in All Ireland QF. Tyrone got involved that day and have probably learned their lesson.
They did learn it, they learned to dive more and get the filth in off the ball, well done, they are a credit to the GAA world!
Quote from: No wides on January 27, 2016, 03:38:05 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 27, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 27, 2016, 12:41:58 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 26, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
I miss Armagh.
Proper manly opponents instead of lying down con men like McKindless and Barton, Enda Lynn and Liam Hinphey.
Laughable.
Lets remind ourselves of the "men" Tyrone have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhZI0pM9bQ
I like that term "bad smell". It follows this Tyrone team around and has done for some time.
This is McKenna Cup thread - it has nothing to do with how Monaghan behaved in All Ireland QF. Tyrone got involved that day and have probably learned their lesson.
They did learn it, they learned to dive more and get the filth in off the ball, well done, they are a credit to the GAA world!
Are we still talking about Monaghan?
Quote from: shawshank on January 26, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
I watched the hit from Mc Cann on the ipad last night over and over and over and over and over (your getting the picture) again. Was it deliberate, without doubt, he was no where near the ball, he jumped with both feet off the ground into a static player, he raised his elbow. The ref was at best two arms length away and actually looked at Rodgers as he fell unto the ground. Really don't know how you could describe the refs inaction, he saw it, you can see him looking at it, incompetence doesn't actually reflect the magnitude of the incompetence considering the serious injury sustained. Mc Cann has questions to answer and is portraying himself as a man of dubious character AGAIN.
Mc Kindless has not form in this regard, a potentially very dangerous tackle, hopefully he will see the error of his way.
Couldn't agree with that at all.
He was in full flight until the ball started to come his direction, he then jumped, turned towards the ball, and raised his arms to catch the ball into his chest, all in the one movement. He missed the ball as he was travelling so fast and then unfortunately clattered into young Rodgers who was standing static.
An unfortunate collision and hopefully the Derry man gets over it soon, but it was completely accidental, I would suggest try looking at it again with my description in mind
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 27, 2016, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 26, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
I watched the hit from Mc Cann on the ipad last night over and over and over and over and over (your getting the picture) again. Was it deliberate, without doubt, he was no where near the ball, he jumped with both feet off the ground into a static player, he raised his elbow. The ref was at best two arms length away and actually looked at Rodgers as he fell unto the ground. Really don't know how you could describe the refs inaction, he saw it, you can see him looking at it, incompetence doesn't actually reflect the magnitude of the incompetence considering the serious injury sustained. Mc Cann has questions to answer and is portraying himself as a man of dubious character AGAIN.
Mc Kindless has not form in this regard, a potentially very dangerous tackle, hopefully he will see the error of his way.
Couldn't agree with that at all.
He was in full flight until the ball started to come his direction, he then jumped, turned towards the ball, and raised his arms to catch the ball into his chest, all in the one movement. He missed the ball as he was travelling so fast and then unfortunately clattered into young Rodgers who was standing static.
An unfortunate collision and hopefully the Derry man gets over it soon, but it was completely accidental, I would suggest try looking at it again with my description in mind
Don't take it too bad if your comments aren't taken too seriously on this matter. Your meltdown during rufflegate is still fresh in the memory.
Re: Cathal Mccarron, I'm seen the man play 3 times since his comeback and haven't heard a single whisper about, ye know. I've always maintained that the most abuse he'll get will be within his own county, especially during Dromores championship match/es.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 27, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 27, 2016, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 26, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
I watched the hit from Mc Cann on the ipad last night over and over and over and over and over (your getting the picture) again. Was it deliberate, without doubt, he was no where near the ball, he jumped with both feet off the ground into a static player, he raised his elbow. The ref was at best two arms length away and actually looked at Rodgers as he fell unto the ground. Really don't know how you could describe the refs inaction, he saw it, you can see him looking at it, incompetence doesn't actually reflect the magnitude of the incompetence considering the serious injury sustained. Mc Cann has questions to answer and is portraying himself as a man of dubious character AGAIN.
Mc Kindless has not form in this regard, a potentially very dangerous tackle, hopefully he will see the error of his way.
Couldn't agree with that at all.
He was in full flight until the ball started to come his direction, he then jumped, turned towards the ball, and raised his arms to catch the ball into his chest, all in the one movement. He missed the ball as he was travelling so fast and then unfortunately clattered into young Rodgers who was standing static.
An unfortunate collision and hopefully the Derry man gets over it soon, but it was completely accidental, I would suggest try looking at it again with my description in mind
Don't take it too bad if your comments aren't taken too seriously on this matter. Your meltdown during rufflegate is still fresh in the memory.
Re: Cathal Mccarron, I'm seen the man play 3 times since his comeback and haven't heard a single whisper about, ye know. I've always maintained that the most abuse he'll get will be within his own county, especially during Dromores championship match/es.
Not sure how that is at all relevant, prehaps you could tell us how?
And was that my comments about Darren Hughes?
Think he's referring to you trying to suggest McCann didn't dive
Quote from: east down gael on January 27, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
Think he's referring to you trying to suggest McCann didn't dive
Hmmm no I don't think I did that I thought I had clarified that. I was mainly talking about the actions of Darren Hughes in that incident.
But the real mystrey to me is...how is it relevant to a split second of play 5months later?
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 27, 2016, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: east down gael on January 27, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
Think he's referring to you trying to suggest McCann didn't dive
Hmmm no I don't think I did that I thought I had clarified that. I was mainly talking about the actions of Darren Hughes in that incident.
But the real mystrey to me is...how is it relevant to a split second of play 5months later?
The implication appears to be that he doesn't think your judgement or analysis is just as credible after your take on the McCann dive.
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
That is the most honest and correct assumption I have ever read on this board.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 27, 2016, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
Its a no go zone for gaa supporters
Quote from: No wides on January 27, 2016, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
That is the most honest and correct assumption I have ever read on this board.
In the whole 3 weeks you have been here??
Quote from: thebuzz on January 27, 2016, 08:31:38 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 27, 2016, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: east down gael on January 27, 2016, 08:06:18 PM
Think he's referring to you trying to suggest McCann didn't dive
Hmmm no I don't think I did that I thought I had clarified that. I was mainly talking about the actions of Darren Hughes in that incident.
But the real mystrey to me is...how is it relevant to a split second of play 5months later?
The implication appears to be that he doesn't think your judgement or analysis is just as credible after your take on the McCann dive.
Ah so disagree with me once, always disagree with me on everything.
In other words.... feck logic, im biased against you regardless, all your points are wrong.
As far as McCann gate goes my take was on Hughes (attempted?) hair pull.
All I would ask is examine the latest incident with my description of events in mind
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 27, 2016, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Did he call them cowards? He said Armagh were more manly. He's was clearly having a bit of craic with that comment. So you talked about calling someone in a bar a coward and getting a slap in the beak? He didn't call them cowards ( that's your word) . To post what you did was just plain rotten. Everybody knows what McCarron did, and I'm sure he's reminded fairly regularly about it. No need for it ....
To be clear omagh joe,you still maintain McCann went down from a hair pull?
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 27, 2016, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 27, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Franko on January 27, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Quote from: east down gael on January 27, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
To be clear omagh joe,you still ever maintain McCann went down from a hair pull?
No... unless in jest, which im pretty sure i clarified. I just focused on the foul in the incident.
This incident tho was clearly an accidental collision. If you watch McCann, I dont think he even looked at Rodgers once, before, during or even afterwards. If you focus on Rodgers obviously it looks like he was just standing there minding his own business and someone comes in elbows him in the face so it looks deliberate. But if you look at the whole thing its fairly obvious it was an accident.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 27, 2016, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: east down gael on January 27, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
To be clear omagh joe,you still ever maintain McCann went down from a hair pull?
No... unless in jest, which im pretty sure i clarified. I just focused on the foul in the incident.
This incident tho was clearly an accidental collision. If you watch McCann, I dont think he even looked at Rodgers once, before, during or even afterwards. If you focus on Rodgers obviously it looks like he was just standing there minding his own business and someone comes in elbows him in the face so it looks deliberate. But if you look at the whole thing its fairly obvious it was an accident.
You may be correct. But it is also possible that McCann should still have seen red because the challenge was reckless. I am not sure of the rules in this regard however.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 27, 2016, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: shawshank on January 26, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
I watched the hit from Mc Cann on the ipad last night over and over and over and over and over (your getting the picture) again. Was it deliberate, without doubt, he was no where near the ball, he jumped with both feet off the ground into a static player, he raised his elbow. The ref was at best two arms length away and actually looked at Rodgers as he fell unto the ground. Really don't know how you could describe the refs inaction, he saw it, you can see him looking at it, incompetence doesn't actually reflect the magnitude of the incompetence considering the serious injury sustained. Mc Cann has questions to answer and is portraying himself as a man of dubious character AGAIN.
Mc Kindless has not form in this regard, a potentially very dangerous tackle, hopefully he will see the error of his way.
Couldn't agree with that at all.
He was in full flight until the ball started to come his direction, he then jumped, turned towards the ball, and raised his arms to catch the ball into his chest, all in the one movement. He missed the ball as he was travelling so fast and then unfortunately clattered into young Rodgers who was standing static.
An unfortunate collision and hopefully the Derry man gets over it soon, but it was completely accidental, I would suggest try looking at it again with my description in mind
I did and all I can say is
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Yours is the most bizarre interpretation of the assault anyone is likely to read.
Comical Ali is alive and well on the banks of the Strule.
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
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To be clear omagh joe,you still ever maintain McCann went down from a hair pull?
No... unless in jest, which im pretty sure i clarified. I just focused on the foul in the incident.
This incident tho was clearly an accidental collision. If you watch McCann, I dont think he even looked at Rodgers once, before, during or even afterwards. If you focus on Rodgers obviously it looks like he was just standing there minding his own business and someone comes in elbows him in the face so it looks deliberate. But if you look at the whole thing its fairly obvious it was an accident.
You may be correct. But it is also possible that McCann should still have seen red because the challenge was reckless. I am not sure of the rules in this regard however.
Then you either need to read back through this thread or read the official rule book. A clear red card by any interpretation of the rules.
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You see, I'd look at the phrase "lying down con men " and say he was calling them cheats rather than cowards. 😜 But to be fair, I'd say that's a comment about their on field behaviour though and I don't think he's inferring that they are cheats in their private life.
Admin, lock this thread. It's getting out of hand. The hatred, the sly digs and questioning of player's characters.
It's not nice.
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Admin, lock this thread. It's getting out of hand. The hatred, the sly digs and questioning of player's characters.
It's not nice.
??? Cmon Ziggy you should have learned by now that nobody believes your admin denials
I reported the comment
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Yer a great man in your own wee world. 2 massive leaps in the one retort.
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
That is the most honest and correct assumption I have ever read on this board.
In the whole 3 weeks you have been here under this current under this current alias after getting laughed off at your previous attempts at being WUM??
Fixed that for you.
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
That is the most honest and correct assumption I have ever read on this board.
In the whole 3 weeks you have been here??
I am not a member of the Irish News and I read it every day.
The comments about a players private life are completely out of order. How anyone could come out with that on this board and purport to be a GAA fan is beyond belief. I'm ashamed that a supposed Derry supporter could firstly say this and then defend themselves by claiming the Tyrone supporters would do the same if the situation was reversed.
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
The establishment counties?
Quote from: general_lee on January 28, 2016, 10:34:21 AM
The establishment counties?
The likes of Dublin and Kerry whose indiscretions are swiftly swept under the rug. Could you imagine Tyrone or Armagh were involved in two separate biting allegations in a couple of years? Or a Tyrone and Armagh player failed a drug test after an All Ireland final?
An armagh player bate lumps out of a Dublin player last year and it went under the carpet
Quote from: general_lee on January 28, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
An armagh player bate lumps out of a Dublin player last year and it went under the carpet
It was a behind closed doors game and the media reporting of matters certainly seemed to portray Armagh as the perpetrators. The facts behind the whole story certainly seem to be much more than that portrayal.
Were you happy with the media reporting of the Armagh Cavan game two years ago and the subsequent portrayals of Armagh that year?
He means the powerhouses of the 26.
In all fairness I made the comment as a tongue in cheek comment. Thought the Derry wans wouldn't have took the bait so easily.
Football in general has become "softer", gone are the days of the gallant hits and not showing the chink of weakness that the Derry men of yesteryear typified. All counties have those that will go down holding their face at any oppertunity.
Unfortunately McKindless has now joined a evergrowing rank of players that have a blemish on their own reputation.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 28, 2016, 10:31:00 AM
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
The melee was instigated by Morgan and McCarron, neither of whom play for Derry. The involvement of mckinless and mcnamee didn't constitute a melee until the other two involved themselves, with such speed to hint at premedication. I didn't spot a second melee.
Kicking a ball away, sure I remember reading an interview with Niall Morgan who said that stevie o'neill used to do that all the time to him during Tyrone training matches. You give one example of a dark art by a Derry man that is routinely practiced and honed at Tyrone training, clearly with the full support of the management.
Some clown you are, but keep digging.
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Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
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Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
So that's why Derry lost on Saturday night, because you think Tyrone minors didn't get cleared of what happened/didn't happen in a game last may?
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Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
So that's why Derry lost on Saturday night, because you think Tyrone minors didn't get cleared of what happened/didn't happen in a game last may?
You seem to be a bit thick. It's not about what I think. I am just correcting il bomber on what was actually in the report instead of how some tyrone people tried to spin it. Where did I relate this to the losing of the game on sat night.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 28, 2016, 11:15:02 AM
He means the powerhouses of the 26.
In all fairness I made the comment as a tongue in cheek comment. Thought the Derry wans wouldn't have took the bait so easily.
Football in general has become "softer", gone are the days of the gallant hits and not showing the chink of weakness that the Derry men of yesteryear typified. All counties have those that will go down holding their face at any oppertunity.
Unfortunately McKindless has now joined a evergrowing rank of players that have a blemish on their own reputation.
100% correct and more's the pity. Any player cheating should be cited and retrospectively banned.
I am glad Derry seem to be playing with a bit of fire in their belly.
Tyrone are a good side and will do well this year. (Hopefully i am wrong about this)
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Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.
The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.
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Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.
The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.
So sledging took place, just not about his deceased father?
All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.
This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!
This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.
This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!
This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.
Did sledging take place WT4E?
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Quote from: cadhlancian on January 27, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.
The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.
So sledging took place, just not about his deceased father?
The fact that made it a huge issue was not the sledging but the fact that a Donegal player was allegedly taunted about the death of his father. Sledging whatever your opinion of it does happen and is common to see, allegations about players being goaded on issues like dead relatives however is not and this is what garnered the mainstream hysteria.
They were cleared of goading the Donegal player about his dead father. A finding that was accepted from both parties.
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Calling players cowards is slightly different from your hate filled comment regarding the issues that McCarron has had to deal with over the last year or so? That has ZERO place on this board. Mc Carrons private life shouldn't be brought up here?
It wasn't exactly private now was it. Plus you've given ten times as much airtime as my initial jibe.
Calling people cowards should have no place on a GAA discussion forum either.
Typical Tyrone attitude, I'll throw out all the insults I like, but I reserve the right to get very offended when someone insults me.
Exactly, if this was a player from another county tyrone posters would be all over it with none too subtle digs and insulting comments. Its the same on the pitch, if he had to play against tyrone they would target him hard with hate filled comments from the first minute to the last. Its just as well for him he doesnt have to come up against tyrone.
Just to clarify? Has any Tyrone poster ever brought the private life of a player into the discussion regarding a match? You seem fairly confident about this, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up a few examples. McCarron isn't the only player who has had to deal with personal problems so I'm sure there must be loads of evidence on here of Tyrone lads making subtle digs and insulting comments for you to choose from.
A Tyrone poster called a few Derry players by name and basically said they were all cowards. Now, if you walked up to a guy in a bar and called him a coward, you'd be very likely to get a slap in the mouth. Why? Because it's an insult. Now, you posters have to make your choice. Either you have no insults at all, or anything goes. I'm cool with either. What's not cool is you guys getting all 'holier than thou' because someone gave one of your guys a dig, right after one of your own posters has done the exact same. If McCarron was a Derry player, you guys would have a field day. It's your way. That was proven by the actions of your minors towards young Carroll in Donegal.
Ive looked back through the thread. I'm genuinely being serious here, I can't find the 'coward' comment that upset you so much that you thought it appropriate to bring insults about a players private life into the discussion as retaliation? Can you repost it so we know what your talking about?
Your poster named players, made some remark about them not being manly enough and then proceeded to describe them as 'lying down con men'. I took that as meaning cowardly (forgive me, but I think it was a fair summation of the comment). However, by any barometer, it would pass the test of being an insult. And as for the 'bit of craic' there was far more humour in my comment than in most of the others. (IMO of course). But if you can excuse these comments as being a 'bit of craic' then fair enough, sure I'll say that's what I was at too and we'll all get along grand.
You're a fuckwit.
The Tyrone minors were cleared of the allegations labelled against them in a report where the findings were accepted by both parties. Yet you still find it necessary to throw mud at them?
God help you if Derry ever become a force again where their actions will be under the microscope simply because they're a team from the O6 who have the establishment counties running scared. The misrepresentation and slurring of Tyrone for any incident they have been involved in is getting ridiculous at this stage.
If I was Derry I'd be more worried about the fact that your side engaged in the dark arts on Saturday night, instigating two melees in the closing stages of the game, diving to get a Tyrone player sent off, kicking the ball away to thwart a kickout and yet still couldn't see it out against 13 men.
You got your just desserts.
Teamtalkmag reported that tyrone were cleared of the allegations but a few days later it became clear that they hadn't reported the facts of the report or the spirit of the report. The report said that it was very likely that the donegal player in question was sledged repeatedly by tyrone players although not about the death of his father. This sledging seems to be completely endemic in tyrone football but thankfully in most other counties it hasn't become the same sockening issue.
The allegations made were that Tyrone minors goaded a Donegal minor about the death of his father. These allegations were found to have not happened by the Ulster council and were reported by them as such.
The Ulster council report stated:
Both county committees and the investigation committee accept that the comments were not about the death of the player's father.
So sledging took place, just not about his deceased father?
The fact that made it a huge issue was not the sledging but the fact that a Donegal player was allegedly taunted about the death of his father. Sledging whatever your opinion of it does happen and is common to see, allegations about players being goaded on issues like dead relatives however is not and this is what garnered the mainstream hysteria.
They were cleared of goading the Donegal player about his dead father. A finding that was accepted from both parties.
Sledging of any form at underage should be stamped out!! The 'sure it happens and is common to see' is not the right approach.
Some rubbish be chatted here by people who have clearly never been at a club game or played a club game in the last 10 years!
Such over the top reaction to tyrone again over a mc kenna cup match. Tyrone can be happy in the fact that ulster council took no further action which vindicates tiernan mc cann for an albeit clumsy action but he did not go in to cause damage, rogers head was ducked down in an unnatural position and mc cann wasn't look. Both standing tall mc cann would have bounced off him an went on.
Mc cann goes down to easy, but plenty do. James Kielt took a good nose dive in the last group game.
As for mc carron I doubt he cares little for some 25 stone keyboard warrior who yearns for a big day out in croke park again says on this think.
On one note, we can say nothing about kicking the ball off the tee as mcaliskey done it in the group game. I thought a derry ones would have came back with it here but obviously sat at their keyboards instead of going to watch. Its a hateful action
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Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.
This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!
This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.
Did sledging take place WT4E?
I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.
What is your opinion on that Walt?
Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!
But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!
Totally wrong for any juvenile to be accused of wrong-doing in the media spotlight. Hindsight is a great thing and looking back Bonner should have dealt with it internally.
My concern is more around this acceptance that sledging is part of the game. Yes while it may take place it should never be part of our games, and it is something that we all have a responsibility to tackle.
Quote from: redhandefender on January 28, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
Some rubbish be chatted here by people who have clearly never been at a club game or played a club game in the last 10 years!
Such over the top reaction to tyrone again over a mc kenna cup match. Tyrone can be happy in the fact that ulster council took no further action which vindicates tiernan mc cann for an albeit clumsy action but he did not go in to cause damage, rogers head was ducked down in an unnatural position and mc cann wasn't look. Both standing tall mc cann would have bounced off him an went on.
Mc cann goes down to easy, but plenty do. James Kielt took a good nose dive in the last group game.
As for mc carron I doubt he cares little for some 25 stone keyboard warrior who yearns for a big day out in croke park again says on this think.
On one note, we can say nothing about kicking the ball off the tee as mcaliskey done it in the group game. I thought a derry ones would have came back with it here but obviously sat at their keyboards instead of going to watch. Its a hateful action
It should be a black card offence, or should, maybe even better result in an additional 2 minutes automatically being added to injury time
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 28, 2016, 02:15:17 PM
Totally wrong for any juvenile to be accused of wrong-doing in the media spotlight. Hindsight is a great thing and looking back Bonner should have dealt with it internally.
My concern is more around this acceptance that sledging is part of the game. Yes while it may take place it should never be part of our games, and it is something that we all have a responsibility to tackle.
So we agree??
THANK GOD!
Let's all go round and round in circles discussing which player dives when infact every team has these types of players.
The Derry Tyrone footballing rivalry is a healthy one (albeit one sided thus far) which could drive both teams on but the off the ball antics and conduct of some supporters on both sides has a lot to be desired.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 28, 2016, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.
This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!
This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.
Did sledging take place WT4E?
I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.
What is your opinion on that Walt?
Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!
But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!
So you're very worried about this sensitive tyrone lad but not too worried about the Donegal lad who he spent the entire game sledging not too long after the death of his father. That's why it will continue in tyrone just like the diving. When tyrone people sledge and dive they end up being portrayed as the victims by tyrone people while other people around the country rightly criticise their actions.
Quote from: lenny on January 28, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 28, 2016, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.
This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!
This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.
Did sledging take place WT4E?
I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.
What is your opinion on that Walt?
Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!
But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!
So you're very worried about this sensitive tyrone lad but not too worried about the Donegal lad who he spent the entire game sledging not too long after the death of his father. That's why it will continue in tyrone just like the diving. When tyrone people sledge and dive they end up being portrayed as the victims by tyrone people while other people around the country rightly criticise their actions.
I was also worried about the Donegal lad - I don't agree with sledging I've said that.
If I was a Donegal supporter I would be questioning why their minor manager used wrong information to report to the media on several occasions which put undue stress on two juveniles and has he has yet to apologise!
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 28, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 28, 2016, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
All the media hysteria was focused on A Tyrone lad goading a player about the death of his father - some very well payed media personalities where given air time to viewing not only opinions on the matter but stating that they new for a fact.
This did not take place and I have yet to hear an apology from the media people involved for not only adding fuel to the fire but also putting a young lads reputation and life in jeopardy by publically backing this theory which was made up by Declan Bonner!
This involved a juvenile - It's just a pity no one was took to court.
Did sledging take place WT4E?
I believe so. I don't like sledging and don't agree with it but my point is and always has been the media running with a story based on hearsay relating to a juvenile who was subjected to online abuse about something he did not do.
What is your opinion on that Walt?
Young males are vunerable at that age and whilst the likes of Martin Carney and Declan Bonner are laughing all the way to the bank its the young lads family that have to pick up the pieces and support the lad in question!
But don't let get in the way of a good old Tyrone Bashing!
So you're very worried about this sensitive tyrone lad but not too worried about the Donegal lad who he spent the entire game sledging not too long after the death of his father. That's why it will continue in tyrone just like the diving. When tyrone people sledge and dive they end up being portrayed as the victims by tyrone people while other people around the country rightly criticise their actions.
I was also worried about the Donegal lad - I don't agree with sledging I've said that.
If I was a Donegal supporter I would be questioning why their minor manager used wrong information to report to the media on several occasions which put undue stress on two juveniles and has he has yet to apologise!
Fair enough, Bonner was wrong, he put undue pressure on the 2 lads.
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 28, 2016, 02:15:17 PM
Totally wrong for any juvenile to be accused of wrong-doing in the media spotlight. Hindsight is a great thing and looking back Bonner should have dealt with it internally.
My concern is more around this acceptance that sledging is part of the game. Yes while it may take place it should never be part of our games, and it is something that we all have a responsibility to tackle.
So we agree??
THANK GOD!
Yes we agree - for now ;)
I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!
Anyone else??
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 03:55:11 PM
I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!
Anyone else??
Try the middle east lad
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 03:55:11 PM
I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!
Anyone else??
Try Fearon on the clerical abuse thread
Good stuff Mod...
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on January 28, 2016, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 28, 2016, 03:55:11 PM
I feel great today - I building bridges between myself and everyone!
Anyone else??
Try Fearon on the clerical abuse thread
I don't think even that's possible
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 28, 2016, 11:55:30 PM
Good stuff Mod...
Indeed, I'm glad that the mods have agreed with me that all types of insults made against players are inadmissible here. Not just those which are unpalatable to our red hand brethren. Hopefully that will put an end to the needless abuse that has been emanating from them.
QuoteIndeed, I'm glad that the mods have agreed with me that all types of insults made against players are inadmissible here. Not just those which are unpalatable to our red hand brethren. Hopefully that will put an end to the needless abuse that has been emanating from them.
Just as well you're not a player then you Derry w@nkst@in. ;)
Mc Crory, Shite
Damien Barton on the slide tackle last week?...........
"It was an incident that thankfully you don't see very often."
Barton added that he "couldn't speak" after the game such was his upset about the incident.
"I think it affected the mood of all of us.
"It overshadowed for me what was a positive night for football.
"I think the amount of respect that was shown between Derry and Tyrone was very evident but it's one of those things I'll let people make up their own minds about."
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 31, 2016, 09:38:11 PM
Damien Barton on the slide tackle last week?...........
"It was an incident that thankfully you don't see very often."
Barton added that he "couldn't speak" after the game such was his upset about the incident.
"I think it affected the mood of all of us.
"It overshadowed for me what was a positive night for football.
"I think the amount of respect that was shown between Derry and Tyrone was very evident but it's one of those things I'll let people make up their own minds about."
Err ......... he was talking about the Rodgers/McCann incident.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/35455958
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 30, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
QuoteIndeed, I'm glad that the mods have agreed with me that all types of insults made against players are inadmissible here. Not just those which are unpalatable to our red hand brethren. Hopefully that will put an end to the needless abuse that has been emanating from them.
Just as well you're not a player then you Derry w@nkst@in. ;)
Ah yes, more of the abuse. How perfectly you illustrate my point. Well done.
Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2016, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 30, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
QuoteIndeed, I'm glad that the mods have agreed with me that all types of insults made against players are inadmissible here. Not just those which are unpalatable to our red hand brethren. Hopefully that will put an end to the needless abuse that has been emanating from them.
Just as well you're not a player then you Derry w@nkst@in. ;)
Ah yes, more of the abuse. How perfectly you illustrate my point. Well done.
I doubt someone called st galls is from tyrone you w@nkstain
Quote from: redhandefender on February 02, 2016, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2016, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 30, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
QuoteIndeed, I'm glad that the mods have agreed with me that all types of insults made against players are inadmissible here. Not just those which are unpalatable to our red hand brethren. Hopefully that will put an end to the needless abuse that has been emanating from them.
Just as well you're not a player then you Derry w@nkst@in. ;)
Ah yes, more of the abuse. How perfectly you illustrate my point. Well done.
I doubt someone called st galls is from tyrone you w@nkstain
You know very little about St Galls then lad. But just in case, you stepped in to really ram it home for everyone. More foul mouthed vitriol. You lads never fail to let yourselves down a bagful.
Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2016, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on February 02, 2016, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2016, 07:17:29 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 30, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
QuoteIndeed, I'm glad that the mods have agreed with me that all types of insults made against players are inadmissible here. Not just those which are unpalatable to our red hand brethren. Hopefully that will put an end to the needless abuse that has been emanating from them.
Just as well you're not a player then you Derry w@nkst@in. ;)
Ah yes, more of the abuse. How perfectly you illustrate my point. Well done.
I doubt someone called st galls is from tyrone you w@nkstain
You know very little about St Galls then lad. But just in case, you stepped in to really ram it home for everyone. More foul mouthed vitriol. You lads never fail to let yourselves down a bagful.
Was a joke lad! ligthen up. On the balance of probabilities then I would say hes not from tyrone. Doubt there have been many tyrone fellas playing with galls for a long time, most seem to be at brigids. But hey you know better w@nkstain lol who even says that anymore
Well well well...................
https://youtu.be/KOk8O-nU_tw
Derry manager Damian Barton will miss the remainder of his side's Allianz League Division 2 games after being handed an eight-week sideline ban.
The punishment is handed down for Barton's involvement in a skirmish during last month's Dr. McKenna Cup final clash with Tyrone.
As other players and Barton joined the fray, Tyrone goalkeeper Niall Morgan tried to pull Derry forward Daniel McKinless up off the ground and the Derry boss then pushed the Tyrone 'keeper before being pushed by Cathal McCarron.
Tyrone emerged winners from the clash in extra time, where a number of players were dismissed for their part in the scuffle.
The ban comes after Barton's decision to withdraw the appeal scheduled for Thursday night and will serve his punishment beginning this weekend at home to Galway.
McCarron is understood to have received a one-match ban for his part in the skirmish which will apply to next year's McKenna Cup.
http://www.newstalk.com/WATCH:-Derry-manager-Damian-Barton-handed-eightweek-sideline-ban-for-part-in-Tyrone-skirmish
Damian Barton: Derry football manager handed eight-week ban
Damian Barton will be banned from the Derry dugout until 4 April
Derry football manager Damian Barton has been given an eight-week ban as a result of his involvement in an on-field melee in the McKenna Cup final.
The ban was handed out by the Ulster Council earlier this month but news of it only emerged on Friday morning.
This followed Barton's decision to withdraw an appeal which had been scheduled for Thursday night.
Barton was among a number of Derry and Tyrone personnel sent off in the McKenna Cup decider on 23 January.
The second-half incident in which Barton became embroiled in followed a dangerous sliding challenge by Derry forward Daniel McKinless on Tyrone defender Ronan McNamee.
The Tyrone man reacted by pushing over McKinless, and appearing to make contact with the Derry man's throat in the process.
As other players and Barton joined the fray, Tyrone goalkeeper Niall Morgan attempted to pull up McKinless up off the ground and the Derry boss then pushed the Red Hand keeper before, in turn, being jostled by Cathal McCarron.
After order was restored by Cavan referee Noel Mooney, McKinless and McNamee were both handed yellow cards which resulted in the Tyrone man being sent off as he had been cautioned earlier.
Derry boss Barton was also ordered to the stand while McCarron received a straight red card for his part in the melee.
McCarron is understood to have been handed a one-match ban for his part in the melee which will apply in next year's Dr McKenna Cup.
Barton's ban means he will not be allowed to sit in the Derry dug-out in their five upcoming Football League Division 2 matches, beginning with Sunday's home game against Galway.
However, Barton will be able to continue to train the squad and attend the games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/35667391
Any idea when the draw for next years competition is made?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 08, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Any idea when the draw for next years competition is made?
I think it's made in middle of November from memory.
Now with the drive for 5 over us. I wonder what the press caption will be this year.
In the mix for 6
Getting our kicks out of 6. Etc
Dicks for 6
Harte's half dozen
T6r Eogha6n Abu!!!!!
The foray a sé
Well after 'the dive for five' it can only be 'dirty tricks for six'.
"You can pry it from my cold dead red hands."
Mickey Harte
Quote from: BennyCake on November 08, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
Any idea when the draw for next years competition is made?
draw at start of December
The draw for the 2017 Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup will take place on Wednesday 30th November.
The schedule of fixtures is as below:
•Sunday 8th January: Round 1 Games
•Sunday 15th January: Round 2 Games
•Wednesday 18th January: Round 3 Games
•Sunday 22nd January: Semi-Finals
•Saturday 28th January: Final
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 21, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
The draw for the 2017 Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup will take place on Wednesday 30th November.
The schedule of fixtures is as below:
•Sunday 8th January: Round 1 Games
•Sunday 15th January: Round 2 Games
•Wednesday 18th January: Round 3 Games
•Sunday 22nd January: Semi-Finals
•Saturday 28th January: Final
So in three weeks it's finished even though more games and teams than Ulster Championship. A lesson there somewhere.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 21, 2016, 05:04:25 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 21, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
The draw for the 2017 Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup will take place on Wednesday 30th November.
The schedule of fixtures is as below:
•Sunday 8th January: Round 1 Games
•Sunday 15th January: Round 2 Games
•Wednesday 18th January: Round 3 Games
•Sunday 22nd January: Semi-Finals
•Saturday 28th January: Final
So in three weeks it's finished even though more games and teams than Ulster Championship. A lesson there somewhere.
Don't worry. Counties have been give the opportunity to wrap the Ulster Championship up in five weeks from 2018 onwards.
Hopefully that goes ahead, though some counties in Ulster oppose anything.
A: Armagh, Down, Derry, QUB
B: Antrim, Fermanagh, Monaghan, St Mary's
C: Donegal, Tyrone, Cavan, UU
Tight group for Tyrone !!
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 01, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Tight group for Tyrone !!
the fix for six could be over fairly soon
Good warm up for Armagh today.
FT in Ó Fiaich Cup Ard Mhacha 2-20 Doire 3-13
Quote from: Orior on December 04, 2016, 03:24:27 PM
Good warm up for Armagh today.
FT in Ó Fiaich Cup Ard Mhacha 2-20 Doire 3-13
I'm glad the team was warmed up, the spectators were foundered.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2016, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on December 04, 2016, 03:24:27 PM
Good warm up for Armagh today.
FT in Ó Fiaich Cup Ard Mhacha 2-20 Doire 3-13
I'm glad the team was warmed up, the spectators were foundered.
Clearly wearing the wrong trousers.
Is aidan o Rourke no longer part of the orchard management team?
Quote from: Orior on December 04, 2016, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 04, 2016, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: Orior on December 04, 2016, 03:24:27 PM
Good warm up for Armagh today.
FT in Ó Fiaich Cup Ard Mhacha 2-20 Doire 3-13
I'm glad the team was warmed up, the spectators were foundered.
Clearly wearing the wrong trousers.
Yes, I used wear my brown trousers for recent Armagh games, but after today's performance I can now wear any pair I want.
word is the it will be the Donegal u-21 squad that will represent Donegal in the Dr. MCKenna cup, players and manager
http://www.donegalsporthub.com/32620-2/
16 of the senior panel would be unavailable due to playing with their colleges.
Quote from: Goldengreen on December 09, 2016, 10:22:36 AM
word is the it will be the Donegal u-21 squad that will represent Donegal in the Dr. MCKenna cup, players and manager
http://www.donegalsporthub.com/32620-2/
16 of the senior panel would be unavailable due to playing with their colleges.
Might mean a tentative start to the league, but who gives a bollocks, really?
Hope Rory uses his squad in the league this year. No need for Murphy, Lacey, Big Neil and the rest to be playing every game from February onwards.
I hear that Tyrone are going to play their under 21 team as well.............interesting development!
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2016, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: Goldengreen on December 09, 2016, 10:22:36 AM
word is the it will be the Donegal u-21 squad that will represent Donegal in the Dr. MCKenna cup, players and manager
http://www.donegalsporthub.com/32620-2/
16 of the senior panel would be unavailable due to playing with their colleges.
Might mean a tentative start to the league, but who gives a bollocks, really?
Hope Rory uses his squad in the league this year. No need for Murphy, Lacey, Big Neil and the rest to be playing every game from February onwards.
+1 use the league for the squad and give the older guys a rest
If Tyrone to lift the Doctor this year, it must be up there with the great achievements in world sport, if not beyond.
mickey harte will be all out to win the mc kenna cup again. could be the only trophy he wins all year. no chance him playing the u 21 team.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2016, 11:07:59 PM
If Tyrone to lift the Doctor this year, it must be up there with the great achievements in world sport, if not beyond.
Pfft, sure Aaron Findon lifted the doctor a couple of years ago on his own.
Huge setback in the drive for five:
Armagh trounce Tyrone in Final
Thirteen-man Armagh won the O'Fiaich Cup with a six-point win over holders Tyrone, 3-10 to 0-13, at Crossmaglen.
Two fine goals from Ethan Rafferty and a Conor White strike proved enough for Kieran McGeeney's side to triumph.
The Orchard men held out to claim the trophy despite having White and Aidan Forker sent-off in the second half.
Armagh led 2-5 to 0-7 at the break and their third goal 90 seconds into the second half gave them a vital cushion when their numbers were reduced.
Each time the Red Hands went level, the Orchard men hit them with a goal.
Harry Loughran had just tied it up at 0-3 each when White collected Oisin MacIomhair's pass to fire a low, angled shot past Mickey O'Neill.
And in the 36th minute, moments after Cathal McShane's point had made it 1-4 to 0-7, Rafferty set the game alight with a brilliant strike, smashed into the net from 12 yards from Rory Grugan's assist.
The Tyrone defence was caught cold after losing a kick-out, and Rafferty raced through to slot a low shot to the net for his second.
Points from Oisin MacIomhair and Anthony Duffy opened up a massive nine points gap, before White and Forker were both sent off on second bookings.
Tyrone fought back with scores from Declan McClure, Ronan O'Neill and Lee Brennan, but they had too much to do, and Armagh claimed the trophy with six points to spare.
Armagh scorers: Ethan Rafferty 2-3 (0-1 free, 0-1 '45), Conor White 1-0, Rory Grugan 0-2 (2 frees), Oisin MacIomhair (free), Anthony Duffy, Ben Crealey, Paul Hughes, Stefan Campbell 0-1 each.
Tyrone scorers: Ronan O'Neill 0-6 (5 frees), Declan McClure 0-2, Cahir McCullagh, Michael Cassidy, Harry Loughran, Lee Brennan, Cathal McShane 0-1 each
Armagh: Paddy Morrison, Paul Hughes, Brendan Donaghy, Ruairi McCaughley, Joe McElroy, Shea Heffron, Ciaran Higgins, Ben Crealey, Stephen Sheridan, Aidan Forker, Conor White, Rory Grugan, Anthony Duffy, Ethan Rafferty, Oisin MacIomhair.
Subs: Matthew McNeice for Morrison, Stefan Campbell for Duffy, Aaron McKay for Heffron, Charlie Vernon for Higgins, Aaron Findon for Rafferty, Jemar Hall for MacIomhair.
Tyrone: Mickey O'Neill, Ruairi Mullan, Hugh Pat McGeary, Michael Cassidy, Harry Loughran, Johnny Munroe, Conor Meyler, Conor Clarke, Cathal McShane, Declan McClure, Ronan O'Neill, Cahir McCullagh, Darren McCurry, Niall McKenna, Ronan McHugh.
Subs: Peter Harte for Clarke, Niall Sludden for Mullan, Aidan McCrory for McCullagh, Lee Brennan for McKenna, Frank Burns for McHugh
Referee: Martin McNally (Monaghan).
http://armaghgaa.net/football/armagh-trounce-tyrone-final/
Sunday 8th January: Round 1
Section A
Fixture Venue
Down v QUB RGU Downpatrick
Derry v Armagh Owenbeg
Section B
Antrim v St Mary's Corrigan Park
Monaghan v Fermanagh Clones
Section C
Cavan v Tyrone Kingspan Breffni Park
Donegal v Ulster University
Donegal squad
Donegal have followed through with their plan to field a under-21 squad in their McKenna Cup campaign which starts against Ulster University on Sunday.
Killybegs' Eoghan Ban Gallagher and Gweedore duo Stephen McBrearty and Michael Carroll are the only members of the squad with senior experience.
Under-21 boss Declan Bonner will be in charge of the team in the competition.
The Ulster University squad includes the McHugh cousins Ryan and Eoin plus another Kilcar man Patrick McBrearty.
A number of other Donegal players including Martin O'Reilly of Queens, will play for third-level teams in the January season-opening competitions which also include the O'Byrne Cup in Leinster and the Connacht League.
The Donegal McKenna Cup panel includes Inishowen-based players Tony McClenaghan, Dylan Doherty, Ciaran Diver (all Moville), Danny Monagle (Carndonagh) and John Campbell (Buncrana).
Last month, Tyrone manager Mickey Harte said that he was "sceptical" following reports that Donegal would use an under-21 squad in the McKenna Cup.
However, Donegal manager Rory Gallagher is said to have taken decision in order to give his experienced players an extra break prior to the start of the Football League in early February.
Holders Tyrone open their McKenna Cup defence against Cavan at Breffni Park on Sunday.
Antrim's Section B opener against St Mary's has been switched from Corrigan Park to Glenavy.
Donegal McKenna Cup panel: Danny Rodgers (Dungloe), Daire O'Baoill (Gweedore), Tony McClenaghan (Moville), Niall Friel (Gweedore), Stephen McMenamin (Ballyshannon), Ciaran Gibbons (Glenswilly), Colm Kelly (Ballyshannon), Michael Lynch (Newtowncunningham), Conor Morrison (St Eunan's), Danny Monagle (Carndonagh), Andrew McClean (Kilcar), Eoghan Ban Gallagher (Killybegs), Stephen McBrearty (Kilcar), Jamie Brennan (Bundoran), Michael Carroll (Gweedore), Dylan Doherty (Moville), Christian Bonner (Na Rossa), Daniel Clarke (Newtowncunningham), Niall O'Donnell (St Eunan's), Naoise O Baoill (Gweedore), Michael Langan (St Michael's), Ciaran Diver (Moville), Jason McGee (Cloughaneely), Brendan McCole (St Naul's), John Campbell (Buncrana), Ethan O'Donnell (Naomh Conaill).
http://bbc.in/2j4F3WH
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2017, 03:52:50 PM
Donegal squad
Donegal have followed through with their plan to field a under-21 squad in their McKenna Cup campaign which starts against Ulster University on Sunday.
Killybegs' Eoghan Ban Gallagher and Gweedore duo Stephen McBrearty and Michael Carroll are the only members of the squad with senior experience.
Under-21 boss Declan Bonner will be in charge of the team in the competition.
The Ulster University squad includes the McHugh cousins Ryan and Eoin plus another Kilcar man Patrick McBrearty.
A number of other Donegal players including Martin O'Reilly of Queens, will play for third-level teams in the January season-opening competitions which also include the O'Byrne Cup in Leinster and the Connacht League.
The Donegal McKenna Cup panel includes Inishowen-based players Tony McClenaghan, Dylan Doherty, Ciaran Diver (all Moville), Danny Monagle (Carndonagh) and John Campbell (Buncrana).
Last month, Tyrone manager Mickey Harte said that he was "sceptical" following reports that Donegal would use an under-21 squad in the McKenna Cup.
However, Donegal manager Rory Gallagher is said to have taken decision in order to give his experienced players an extra break prior to the start of the Football League in early February.
Holders Tyrone open their McKenna Cup defence against Cavan at Breffni Park on Sunday.
Antrim's Section B opener against St Mary's has been switched from Corrigan Park to Glenavy.
Donegal McKenna Cup panel: Danny Rodgers (Dungloe), Daire O'Baoill (Gweedore), Tony McClenaghan (Moville), Niall Friel (Gweedore), Stephen McMenamin (Ballyshannon), Ciaran Gibbons (Glenswilly), Colm Kelly (Ballyshannon), Michael Lynch (Newtowncunningham), Conor Morrison (St Eunan's), Danny Monagle (Carndonagh), Andrew McClean (Kilcar), Eoghan Ban Gallagher (Killybegs), Stephen McBrearty (Kilcar), Jamie Brennan (Bundoran), Michael Carroll (Gweedore), Dylan Doherty (Moville), Christian Bonner (Na Rossa), Daniel Clarke (Newtowncunningham), Niall O'Donnell (St Eunan's), Naoise O Baoill (Gweedore), Michael Langan (St Michael's), Ciaran Diver (Moville), Jason McGee (Cloughaneely), Brendan McCole (St Naul's), John Campbell (Buncrana), Ethan O'Donnell (Naomh Conaill).
http://bbc.in/2j4F3WH
Stephen McBrearty is a Kilcar man, brother of Patrick.
Not that he'd be in for this competition, but Leo McLoone has apparently opted out for the year.
He'll be a big miss with his physique, work rate, ball winning and score taking abilities, but then Rory Gallagher, for some reason, was refusing to field him for most of the Ulster championship last year, instead opting to send players like Anthony Thompson back on after they'd been substituted.
Hopefully a good few of these U-21s are used in the league too.
Donegals U21s are already playing the North west cup three games v Sligo,Mayo and Derry and they are sure to have plenty of players playing in the college competitions starting soon. Where is the sense in flogging your U21s?
TYRONE McKENNA CUP PANEL from the Irish News.
N Morgan (Edendork), M O'Neill (Clonoe), A McCrory (Errigal Ciarán), L Brennan (Trillick), C Clarke (Omagh), T McCann (Killyclogher), P Harte (Errigal Ciarán), R O'Neill (Omagh), N Sludden (Dromore), P McNulty (Dungannon), P Hampsey (Coalisland), D McCurry (Edendork), S Cavanagh (Moy), H Loughran (Moy), J Munroe (Carrickmore), C McAliskey (Clonoe), M Donnelly (Trilllick), C Cavanagh (Moy), C McCarron (Dromore), M Cassidy (Ardboe), D McClure (Clonoe), C McCullagh (Greencastle), R McHugh (Aghyaran), N McKenna (Donaghmore), R McNabb (Dromore), R Mullan (Cookstown).
Names of note missing : Rory Brennan, McNamee, Mark Bradley, Meyler, Richie Donnelly and McShane
Surprised to see Sean Cavanagh, no need really involving him at this stage is there?
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 04, 2017, 09:49:23 AM
Surprised to see Sean Cavanagh, no need really involving him at this stage is there?
Why would you be surprised? MH goes to win it every year! Sure only for the McKenna Cup he'd have been packed off years ago
Quote from: jp2020 on January 04, 2017, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 04, 2017, 09:49:23 AM
Surprised to see Sean Cavanagh, no need really involving him at this stage is there?
Why would you be surprised? MH goes to win it every year! Sure only for the McKenna Cup he'd have been packed off years ago
Aye sure better to try to not win it, its worked out far better for the other ulster counties over the last 15 years. In reality it'll have little impact later in the year but might as well try to win it when your taking part. Sean Cavanagh's game relies on fitness so maybe he's happy to be getting game time early in the year. I'm sure he'd be training anyway.
Quote from: jp2020 on January 04, 2017, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on January 04, 2017, 09:49:23 AM
Surprised to see Sean Cavanagh, no need really involving him at this stage is there?
Why would you be surprised? MH goes to win it every year! Sure only for the McKenna Cup he'd have been packed off years ago
Southtyronegael will be glad to hear this and will be cheering on Cavan this year with their new Tyrone manager to knock Tyrone out. Mickey might go on to manage Mayo to the AI next year then.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 03, 2017, 09:24:02 PM
Donegals U21s are already playing the North west cup three games v Sligo,Mayo and Derry and they are sure to have plenty of players playing in the college competitions starting soon. Where is the sense in flogging your U21s?
Given that the U-21 season is shorter and will be over in the spring, and many of these players are going to be expected to make the step up to senior this year and next, and given that many of Donegal's established players have a lot of miles on the clock with no opportunity for coasting in Ulster in the summer, it absolutely makes sense to give them the experience.
I see Kerry are also going to field their U21 team this weekend v Tipperary.
I suppose it gives the U21 games before their championship and like you said Donegal have a lot of older players with miles on the clock. They might not start the league as well as other teams but they should still have enough to remain in Div 1. Have Donegal any new lads coming through this year that they will be hoping to make a big impact?
I think it's a bit silly to throw U21 teams into senior competitions. Both Donegal and Kerry would have high hopes of winning U21 provincial titles this spring and challenge for the All Ireland however a few bad beatings this January could ruin the mindset of those teams going into the U21 championship.
i like the sound of the whole harte/mayo thing. maybe if it happens we might actually beat mayo in championship next year.lol. so tyrone have basically named their championship panel for mc kenna cup bar a few players. but be under no illusion guys, the mc kenna cup smokescreen will not work this year. 2017 is the year of judgement.
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 04, 2017, 08:31:37 PM
i like the sound of the whole harte/mayo thing. maybe if it happens we might actually beat mayo in championship next year.lol. so tyrone have basically named their championship panel for mc kenna cup bar a few players. but be under no illusion guys, the mc kenna cup smokescreen will not work this year. 2017 is the year of judgement.
Losing the ofiach cup has obviously hurt MH, going all out for Mckenna Cup AGAIN FFS! A few counties have fielded primarily u21 teams in the past eg Monaghan and Donegal and it hasnt done them any harm! Agreed 2017 is big year,we cant be rebuilding for 10yrs!!!!
Jaysus I hate Cavan.
UUJ squad, some big hitters in there
Ulster University: Ricky Johnston, Niall McKeever (Antrim); Cathal Boylan, Tiarnan McConville, Jack Rafferty (Armagh); Michael McEvoy, Terrence O'Brien, Gareth McKinless, James Kearney, Barry Grant, Shane McGahon (Derry); Ryan McHugh, Eoin McHugh, Patrick McBrearty, Lorcan Connor, John Fitzgerald (Donegal); Damien McKeown, Niall Madine, Sean McGonigle, Kory Colgan (Down); Jack McCann (Fermanagh); Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan); Sean Fox, Ruairi Kelly, Ronan McNamee, Rory Brennan, Ruairi McGlone, Mark Bradley, Daire Gallagher, Frank Burns, Matthew Walsh, Ronan McGeary, Cillian McCann (Tyrone).
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
I think it's a bit silly to throw U21 teams into senior competitions. Both Donegal and Kerry would have high hopes of winning U21 provincial titles this spring and challenge for the All Ireland however a few bad beatings this January could ruin the mindset of those teams going into the U21 championship.
I read Kerry were using the U21s for the Tipp game and the seniors for the Cork game, because the seniors are only back training so recently. Tipp are missing a few lads as well through injury or abroad - Quinlivan for one. With Kerry, Tipp and Cork all on one side of the McGrath cup the odds of any side putting out thir strongest 15 was always remote anyway.
Anyone have the Down panel that was in the press today?
DOWN PANEL
(subject to change)
G McMahon (Warrenpoint), M Cunningham (Castlewellan), P Turley (RGU, Downpatrick), D O'Hagan (Clonduff), R McAleenan (Warrenpoint), G McGovern (Burren), G Collins (RGU, Downpatrick), B McArdle (Annaclone), C McGovern (Burren), A Carr (Clonduff), D McKibbin (Bryansford), C Mooney (Rostrevor), D Turley (Cnoc na Mí), J Flynn (Loughinisland), J Murphy (Ballyholland), S Millar (Glenn), A Davidson (Bredagh), N Donnelly (Tullylish), P O'Hagan (Clonduff), C Francis (Bredagh), S Dornan (Castlewellan), B O'Hagan (Clonduff), C Harrison (Glasdrumman), D Hughes (Bredagh), R Mallon (Warrenpoint), C Magee (Mayobridge)
Cavan team v Tyrone...
Cavan (McKenna Cup SF v Tyrone) – James Farrelly; Fergal Reilly, Killian Clarke, Killian Brady; Ciaran Brady, Rory Dunne, Padraig Faulkner; Liam Buchanan, Michael Argue; Martin Reilly, John McCutcheon, Gerard Smith; Sean Johnston, Niall McDermott, Niall Clerkin. Subs: Alan O'Mara, Stephen Murray, Jason McLoughlin, Shane Tierney, Shane O'Rourke, Conor Madden, Paul O'Connor, Tomas Corr, Turloc Mooney, Joshua Hayes, Joe Dillon.
Strong defence for Cavan. Would rather see Mooney starting than Clerkin, think he'll go further in the long run. Not sure about McCutcheon I think he may be past his best and even at his best he didn't set the world alight. That said he was involved at a time when nobody shone for Cavan and then Terry didn't think he was up to it and dropped him.
As always, the worry is up front. Hard to see where the scores will come from.
Quote from: Itchy on January 07, 2017, 10:39:51 AM
Cavan team v Tyrone...
Cavan (McKenna Cup SF v Tyrone) – James Farrelly; Fergal Reilly, Killian Clarke, Killian Brady; Ciaran Brady, Rory Dunne, Padraig Faulkner; Liam Buchanan, Michael Argue; Martin Reilly, John McCutcheon, Gerard Smith; Sean Johnston, Niall McDermott, Niall Clerkin. Subs: Alan O'Mara, Stephen Murray, Jason McLoughlin, Shane Tierney, Shane O'Rourke, Conor Madden, Paul O'Connor, Tomas Corr, Turloc Mooney, Joshua Hayes, Joe Dillon.
Shower a hoors
Tyrone (McKenna Cup v Cavan): Niall Morgan; Aidan McCrory, Jonathan Monroe, Ronan McNabb; Michael Cassidy, Tiernan McCann, Niall Sludden; Declan McClure, Padraig McNulty; Darren McCurry, Peter Harte, Cahir McCullagh; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Ronan O'Neill.
Is McCrory captain?
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2017, 12:59:12 AM
Is McCrory captain?
Good question, not sure, Peter Harte the only starter with more appearances in the county shirt.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 08, 2017, 12:39:38 AM
Tyrone (McKenna Cup v Cavan): Niall Morgan; Aidan McCrory, Jonathan Monroe, Ronan McNabb; Michael Cassidy, Tiernan McCann, Niall Sludden; Declan McClure, Padraig McNulty; Darren McCurry, Peter Harte, Cahir McCullagh; Lee Brennan, Connor McAliskey, Ronan O'Neill.
Country and Western loving hicks
Cavan on the brink here. They haven't beaten Tyrone since Hardy was a pup. They're 5-up on 55 mins.
McAliskey has been stretchered off.
Looks like it could be a serious one.
Seanie J the panto villain.
Well one the Cavan hoors, didn't want to win six-for-kicks in any case -- would breed too much complacency! ;)
#BOIMcKennaCup Cavan 1-13 Tyrone 0-12
Harte has to go.
Not 100% sure but according to Armagh forum Derry beat Armagh 3-10 - 2-12
Them Cavan fans getting very excited be all academic later in the season.Matty done what Cavan people would have been wanting a couple of years ago,when the prima donna jumped ship.
Poor Tyrone. There will be 3 masses said in the dressing room and Donnelly will have to say a decade of the rosary. All line dancing will be cancelled for a week and O Neill will put a brace face on it but we all know he's devestated.
Quote from: skeog on January 08, 2017, 04:00:55 PM
Them Cavan fans getting very excited be all academic later in the season.Matty done what Cavan people would have been wanting a couple of years ago,when the prima donna jumped ship.
Mattie's hit got biggest cheer probably because both set of fans joined in.
Mattie Mattie Mattie (McGleenan). What have you done?
Anyone want to share what happened with Mattie?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 08, 2017, 04:37:12 PM
Anyone want to share what happened with Mattie?
He clothes lined Johnstone.
Tyrone lads awful soft these days, was it 3 or 4 took off injured? It's all the line dancing, doesn't build upper body strength.
4 of the 6 games were decided by the narrowest of margins.
The McKenna Cup is pure theatre.
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2017, 04:11:22 PM
Poor Tyrone. There will be 3 masses said in the dressing room and Donnelly will have to say a decade of the rosary. All line dancing will be cancelled for a week and O Neill will put a brace face on it but we all know he's devestated.
;D
Will they still be allowed to listen to St Garth?
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 08, 2017, 04:37:12 PM
Anyone want to share what happened with Mattie?
He clothes lined Johnstone.
Tyrone lads awful soft these days, was it 3 or 4 took off injured? It's all the line dancing, doesn't build upper body strength.
Barely made the slightest contact! Seanie went to ground roaring in agony amd was up like a shot the secomd Mattie got the card.
Quote from: Snapchap on January 08, 2017, 05:16:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 08, 2017, 04:37:12 PM
Anyone want to share what happened with Mattie?
He clothes lined Johnstone.
Tyrone lads awful soft these days, was it 3 or 4 took off injured? It's all the line dancing, doesn't build upper body strength.
Barely made the slightest contact! Seanie went to ground roaring in agony amd was up like a shot the secomd Mattie got the card.
Maybe so. Not too many would complain if he'd made good contact! Linesman called it.
Huge win for Cavan and maybe this could be their year.
McGleenan off to a great start and Ulster a real possibility for them now. Delighted for Itchy and the boys.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 08, 2017, 05:20:12 PM
Huge win for Cavan and maybe this could be their year.
McGleenan off to a great start and Ulster a real possibility for them now. Delighted for Itchy and the boys.
Steady on now Fuzzman.
I hear one of the Tyrone injuries may be cruciate, obviously my jibe about soft Tyrone men above was in jest. Wish the lad a speedy and full recovery.
Fuzzman are you really saying that the first game of the year is a guide to honours later in the year.Sure that was only the reserves today.
Line Dancing?
McAliskey will be a big loss if the reports are true.
We have a bit of depth there but I think McAliskey is the one with most pace and aggression of them.
How was McCann's tan?
Quote from: skeog on January 08, 2017, 05:45:50 PM
Fuzzman are you really saying that the first game of the year is a guide to honours later in the year.Sure that was only the reserves today.
Not true, it was certainly not a full strength Cavan team by any means but I wouldn't call them our reserves either.
Tyrone are a fine footballing county with a proud tradition in the McKenna cup.
Tyrone can still win the 6th, but you couldn't be too confident based on today. In a hard group too.
To be honest it's January and most Tyrone fans are more worried about:
no 1 why Des is the palest man on dancing with the stars and why Mugsy didn't make the cut......
when you have 5 in a row pre seasons it's for others to win. Tyrone won every game last year until Mayo...Couldn't care less..
We want a decent run in the national league and a Sam. I feel it's going to be our year, except ermm unfortunately for the dancing.
Quote from: rrhf on January 08, 2017, 08:38:21 PM
To be honest it's January and most Tyrone fans are more worried about:
no 1 why Des is the palest man on dancing with the stars and why Mugsy didn't make the cut......
when you have 5 in a row pre seasons it's for others to win. Tyrone won every game last year until Mayo...Couldn't care less..
We want a decent run in the national league and a Sam. I feel it's going to be our year, except ermm unfortunately for the dancing.
Ye may try and win as many Mickey Mouse trophies as you can, because ye won't be winning Sam.
First the Cardinal O'Fiaich Cup, now this.
Is this the end for Tyrone?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 08, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
First the Cardinal O'Fiaich Cup, now this.
Is this the end for Tyrone?
Hardly we didn't play Meath or need bandages lol
Tyrone in crisis.
Mickey out, Big Mattie in ASAP.
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2017, 09:23:42 PM
Tyrone in crisis.
Indeed. With the ban on line dancing in place economists are predicting the Tyrone economy will fall asunder. Already there are reported drops in the sale of stilettos means that the local village stiletto shop will likely close and will reduce all redneck traffic into the town, which experts claim could be 75% of all traffic. Petrol stations and pubs will close and basically it will end up like an episode of the walking dead. Tyronies will be forced to sell their bodies for bread and line dancing will go underground, taking place at the old mass rocks.
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2017, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2017, 09:23:42 PM
Tyrone in crisis.
Indeed. With the ban on line dancing in place economists are predicting the Tyrone economy will fall asunder. Already there are reported drops in the sale of stilettos means that the local village stiletto shop will likely close and will reduce all redneck traffic into the town, which experts claim could be 75% of all traffic. Petrol stations and pubs will close and basically it will end up like an episode of the walking dead. Tyronies will be forced to sell their bodies for bread and line dancing will go underground, taking place at the old mass rocks.
Your not even funny fella! Wise up!
Quote from: Tyroneforsam on January 08, 2017, 10:09:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2017, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2017, 09:23:42 PM
Tyrone in crisis.
Indeed. With the ban on line dancing in place economists are predicting the Tyrone economy will fall asunder. Already there are reported drops in the sale of stilettos means that the local village stiletto shop will likely close and will reduce all redneck traffic into the town, which experts claim could be 75% of all traffic. Petrol stations and pubs will close and basically it will end up like an episode of the walking dead. Tyronies will be forced to sell their bodies for bread and line dancing will go underground, taking place at the old mass rocks.
Your not even funny fella! Wise up!
There is nothing funny about a post apocalyptic Tyrone fella!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 08, 2017, 08:44:40 PM
First the Cardinal O'Fiaich Cup, now this.
Is this the end for Tyrone?
There might be a guest appearance yet. Mugsys passa double is mighty..
Cranky Tyrone gimps
Didn't McCarron get sent off in the McKenna Cup last year ?
Jamie Clarke came on as a sub for Armagh today. Good to have him back
Tyrone the best 2nd place team so far. The dream's on lads.The dream is on!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2017, 05:38:07 PM
Tyrone the best 2nd place team so far. The dream's on lads.The dream is on!
Wrong. Tyrone are +9. Armagh are +15
Tyrone will put 20 on Donegal on wed night at least.Todays game was a non event due to UUJ having exams tomorrow,time for the students to depart.
The mighty breffni men march on. Result flattered Cavan a bit, Donegal were well in it for most of the game. You can always rely on the bold Seanie to put in man of the match performances in the McKenna cup.
Quote from: our_fella on January 15, 2017, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2017, 05:38:07 PM
Tyrone the best 2nd place team so far. The dream's on lads.The dream is on!
Wrong. Tyrone are +9. Armagh are +15
Ah balls. Ulster GAA site was wrong earlier.
Tyrone all buy out then. Harte must go.
There is hope for Tyrone yet. If Armagh win on Wednesday they'll more than likely top their group after the big win today. So it won't be them Tyrone will be up against for second place.
Rosary paid off?
The dream is still alive.
Anybody know who has qualified?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 18, 2017, 09:46:26 PM
Anybody know who has qualified?
I'm predicting:
Armagh v Monaghan
Tyrone v Fermanagh
Derry can possibly topple Fermanagh (or would it be Armagh) but unlikely as their game hasn't finished yet.
Derry v Monaghan Tyrone v Fermanagh i think
Disaster.
Time to cash in the season ticket.
New manager needs sacking etc etc
Quote from: skeog on January 18, 2017, 09:52:29 PM
Derry v Monaghan Tyrone v Fermanagh i think
Derry are definitely playing Monaghan in the semi
Derry V Monaghan in Armagh
Fermanagh V Tyrone in Clones
That UUJ win over Cavan blew the semis wide open. Only Monaghan won all three group games.
Am I right in saying that Armagh's scoring average actually went down after their 3 point win tonight. Before the game it was 43/28= 1.714 and afterwards it was 61/42=1.45? Seems a strange method to use to decide placings.
Time to put my request in for All-Ireland tickets? #Tyrone4Sam
Armagh fans thought they were a shoe in for the semis but Tyrone spoil the party again. ;D
In The Mix 4 Six still on. Could be another Tyrone/Derry tame meeting in the final.
Have to get over those pesky Fermanagh ones. They held Antrim scoreless in the first half today.
Was there many Armagh players on the Queen's team that lost to Derry? I wonder were they aware their huge defeat was leading to their county dropping out of contention.
Even stranger was UU's win over Cavan which meant Tyrone went from best runners up to group winners which sent Fermanagh through.
Strange night of results but I suppose it shows anything can happen in the McKenna cup.
Chins up Armagh. A div 3 title isn't bad for the year.
I sense a conspiracy up in Owenbeg.
I bet this one goes right to the top.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2017, 12:07:30 AM
Was there many Armagh players on the Queen's team that lost to Derry? I wonder were they aware their huge defeat was leading to their county dropping out of contention.
All part of McGeeney's master plan to avoid burn-out - exiting every competition at the earliest possible juncture. Pure genius. ;)
Some spring in the step of you Tyrone hooers this morning!
Quote from: FermGael on January 18, 2017, 10:09:49 PM
Derry V Monaghan in Armagh
Fermanagh V Tyrone in Clones
Thanks FermGael. By the way, you need to update your strapline, given the fact you've one of the best in the business now in T Corrigan.. ;)
Armagh always seem to lose out by the narrowest of margins, same with relegation to div 3 last year but i suppose you make your own luck and if im honest they seem to be motoring along rightly and i'd expect them to get promotion to div 2 and a decent run in the championship. I suppose anything would be better than the last 2 years.
Tyrone look like the winners of McKenna cup again and should win the All Ireland too ;)
I'd say Cavan happy enough not to be in the semi's .... Tyrone would have gave them beaten' now they have to wait until the League game in Omagh !!!
Just off the phone there to the registrar getting the membership paid and to ensure my order for tickets for the final are in.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 19, 2017, 10:02:32 AM
Quote from: FermGael on January 18, 2017, 10:09:49 PM
Derry V Monaghan in Armagh
Fermanagh V Tyrone in Clones
Thanks FermGael. By the way, you need to update your strapline, given the fact you've one of the best in the business now in T Corrigan.. ;)
Calm down a minute. When we have a free taker as reliable as the Tyrone lads I will reconsider
Quote from: illdecide on January 19, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
Armagh always seem to lose out by the narrowest of margins, same with relegation to div 3 last year but i suppose you make your own luck and if im honest they seem to be motoring along rightly and i'd expect them to get promotion to div 2 and a decent run in the championship. I suppose anything would be better than the last 2 years.
Tyrone look like the winners of McKenna cup again and should win the All Ireland too ;)
And when they were progressing to, and won the All Ireland they always seemed to win by the narrowest of margins, never hammering any team.. :o
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2017, 10:57:16 PM
Am I right in saying that Armagh's scoring average actually went down after their 3 point win tonight. Before the game it was 43/28= 1.714 and afterwards it was 61/42=1.45? Seems a strange method to use to decide placings.
I disagree, scoring average is probably the best decision method as in considers both your attacking (for) and defensive strengths (against).
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 19, 2017, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2017, 10:57:16 PM
Am I right in saying that Armagh's scoring average actually went down after their 3 point win tonight. Before the game it was 43/28= 1.714 and afterwards it was 61/42=1.45? Seems a strange method to use to decide placings.
I disagree, scoring average is probably the best decision method as in considers both your attacking (for) and defensive strengths (against).
does scoring average not encourage defensive play?
based on my maths, you are better off winning low scoring matches than high scoring matches!
e.g. For 10 points
against 5 points
Average = 2
To get an average of 2 with a high scoring game would mean you have to win by a bigger margin to keep the same average.
e.g. if you scored 30 points, you would have to win the game by 15 points to get an average of 2.
Personally, I don't see the logic in using averages instead of scoring difference.
Am I missing something?
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
Quote from: westbound on January 19, 2017, 02:43:56 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 19, 2017, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2017, 10:57:16 PM
Am I right in saying that Armagh's scoring average actually went down after their 3 point win tonight. Before the game it was 43/28= 1.714 and afterwards it was 61/42=1.45? Seems a strange method to use to decide placings.
I disagree, scoring average is probably the best decision method as in considers both your attacking (for) and defensive strengths (against).
does scoring average not encourage defensive play?
based on my maths, you are better off winning low scoring matches than high scoring matches!
e.g. For 10 points
against 5 points
Average = 2
To get an average of 2 with a high scoring game would mean you have to win by a bigger margin to keep the same average.
e.g. if you scored 30 points, you would have to win the game by 15 points to get an average of 2.
Personally, I don't see the logic in using averages instead of scoring difference.
Am I missing something?
Correct, if you win every game by 0.2 to 0.1 you would have an average of 2.0 even though you only have a points difference of +3. Also is it possible to calculate an average if you keep the other team scoreless?
Quote from: No wides on January 19, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
Derry seemed to care in last years final. Most teams use it to give new players a go but still go out to win the games. Donegal are the only county team that don't take it seriously at all and should be thrown out of the competition. Most of the ulster counties don't win anything most years so maybe they should give it a go. Doesn't do you any harm winning it as Tyrone proved last year by going on to win Ulster.
When did they start using it?
I always thought score difference was the best method after head to head of course.
I think Harte takes it seriously because he likes to get his teams into the winning habit as early as possible.
Winning breeds confidence and if you look at what teams Tyrone have lost to the last two years
2016 Mayo - All-Ireland finalists
2015 Kerry - All-Ireland finalists & Donegal
It is also a chance for the new players to show their worth and it looks like Lee Brennan, Ronan McHugh and Cahir McCullagh has already showed they know where the posts are. With Div 1 being so competitive it could be hard for this players to get a chance otherwise.
Quote from: No wides on January 19, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 19, 2017, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 19, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
Made no sense at all for Donegal to throw their U21s into a senior competition. A trimming like that last night was always possible and the Donegal U21s who would have been one of the favourites to win the All Ireland this spring will now have a damaged mindset and probably get turned over in Ulster
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 19, 2017, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 19, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
The issue in Donegal is giving the senior squad a rest. The younger seniors are getting runs out with their colleges anyway, whereas the McKenna Cup is of f**k all benefit to the likes of Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey or Frank McGlynn. A fair few of these U-21s have an opportunity to push for a senior spot this year and next, because we're heading into a transition period with the retirements and a couple of boys opting out. Plus, there is probably a bit of a jaded view of this competition in Donegal anyway - we won it twice under John Joe Doherty when no one else gave a bollocks, and John Joe's two year term, with all due respect, was not impressive (I've sympathy for him down to the way he got the appointment with the insanity over himself and Mulgrew/Bonner both being promised the job, but we ended each season with the Cork and Crossmaglen debacles, respectively, and a general appearance of tactical cluelessness all around).
I say fair play to Mickey though. It hasn't hurt Tyrone taking it seriously and, as you say, has probably helped overall in that they'll be well ready for the league, whereas the Donegal seniors are likely to be a bit rusty. If it helps freshen the legs in July though, who'll remember?
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It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
Made no sense at all for Donegal to throw their U21s into a senior competition. A trimming like that last night was always possible and the Donegal U21s who would have been one of the favourites to win the All Ireland this spring will now have a damaged mindset and probably get turned over in Ulster
Or they might head into Omagh in March with fire in their bellies! :)
Plus, Donegal seniors have been hammered by Tyrone in the McKenna before and got revenge later in the spring/summer when it mattered.
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It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
The issue in Donegal is giving the senior squad a rest. The younger seniors are getting runs out with their colleges anyway, whereas the McKenna Cup is of f**k all benefit to the likes of Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey or Frank McGlynn. A fair few of these U-21s have an opportunity to push for a senior spot this year and next, because we're heading into a transition period with the retirements and a couple of boys opting out. Plus, there is probably a bit of a jaded view of this competition in Donegal anyway - we won it twice under John Joe Doherty when no one else gave a bollocks, and John Joe's two year term, with all due respect, was not impressive (I've sympathy for him down to the way he got the appointment with the insanity over himself and Mulgrew/Bonner both being promised the job, but we ended each season with the Cork and Crossmaglen debacles, respectively, and a general appearance of tactical cluelessness all around).
I say fair play to Mickey though. It hasn't hurt Tyrone taking it seriously and, as you say, has probably helped overall in that they'll be well ready for the league, whereas the Donegal seniors are likely to be a bit rusty. If it helps freshen the legs in July though, who'll remember?
Giving a run out to three or four U21s is fair enough but to enter your U21 squad into a senior competition? Come on now.
Donegal wouldn't be alone for resting their more senior seniors however surely Donegal have a enough lads aged 23 or older to fill in and given a opportunity to impress at this time of year.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on January 19, 2017, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 19, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
The issue in Donegal is giving the senior squad a rest. The younger seniors are getting runs out with their colleges anyway, whereas the McKenna Cup is of f**k all benefit to the likes of Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey or Frank McGlynn. A fair few of these U-21s have an opportunity to push for a senior spot this year and next, because we're heading into a transition period with the retirements and a couple of boys opting out. Plus, there is probably a bit of a jaded view of this competition in Donegal anyway - we won it twice under John Joe Doherty when no one else gave a bollocks, and John Joe's two year term, with all due respect, was not impressive (I've sympathy for him down to the way he got the appointment with the insanity over himself and Mulgrew/Bonner both being promised the job, but we ended each season with the Cork and Crossmaglen debacles, respectively, and a general appearance of tactical cluelessness all around).
I say fair play to Mickey though. It hasn't hurt Tyrone taking it seriously and, as you say, has probably helped overall in that they'll be well ready for the league, whereas the Donegal seniors are likely to be a bit rusty. If it helps freshen the legs in July though, who'll remember?
I agree that playing the McKenna cup is of no real benefit to Gallagher, McGlynn, Lacey and the like but like Capt Obvious said, there's enough lads on the fringes of that squad and in their mid 20s to beef up the panel. I'd be fairly confident that come July/August it won't be a game or two extra in the McKenna cup that costs either Tyrone or Donegal a big game.
I don't know much about the Donegal U21 panel but was it even their full squad? Had they lads playing for the universities? There may have been lads playing last night way way out of their depth and who is that benefitting? You'll tell more about lads when they are involved in competitive games, shipping 23 point defeats tells you nothing and does more harm than good.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on January 19, 2017, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: No wides on January 19, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
It's a balls of a competition anyways, apart from Tyrone who gives a shit - fair play to Donegal giving the U21's a run out.
What benefit exactly would either Donegal seniors or U21 team get from shipping a 23 point hammering last night? And you are praising this policy? Mickey may take it seriously but he always gives 4 or 5 new players a run in each game. Much better to see how they perform in a competitive environment than the shambles that was Donegal last night. It always makes me laugh when people criticize a team for winning matches.
The issue in Donegal is giving the senior squad a rest. The younger seniors are getting runs out with their colleges anyway, whereas the McKenna Cup is of f**k all benefit to the likes of Neil Gallagher, Neil McGee, Karl Lacey or Frank McGlynn. A fair few of these U-21s have an opportunity to push for a senior spot this year and next, because we're heading into a transition period with the retirements and a couple of boys opting out. Plus, there is probably a bit of a jaded view of this competition in Donegal anyway - we won it twice under John Joe Doherty when no one else gave a bollocks, and John Joe's two year term, with all due respect, was not impressive (I've sympathy for him down to the way he got the appointment with the insanity over himself and Mulgrew/Bonner both being promised the job, but we ended each season with the Cork and Crossmaglen debacles, respectively, and a general appearance of tactical cluelessness all around).
I say fair play to Mickey though. It hasn't hurt Tyrone taking it seriously and, as you say, has probably helped overall in that they'll be well ready for the league, whereas the Donegal seniors are likely to be a bit rusty. If it helps freshen the legs in July though, who'll remember?
Giving a run out to three or four U21s is fair enough but to enter your U21 squad into a senior competition? Come on now.
Donegal wouldn't be alone for resting their more senior seniors however surely Donegal have a enough lads aged 23 or older to fill in and given a opportunity to impress at this time of year.
Out of last year's starting 15, O'Reilly, McBrearty, the two McHughs and Hugh McFadden all played for their colleges (there are probably a few more, and yet more from U-21s). Thompson, McLoone and MacNiallais are on break. Toye, Eamon McGee, Colm McFadden and Rory Kavanagh are retired. David Walsh, just a bit player lately, is gone too. That pretty much leaves Murphy, McGlynn, Neil McGee, Lacey and Neil Gallagher who are resting this month and then one or two young lads who featured. There's not a lot more there. 14 U21s are on the senior squad.
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Am I right in saying that Armagh's scoring average actually went down after their 3 point win tonight. Before the game it was 43/28= 1.714 and afterwards it was 61/42=1.45? Seems a strange method to use to decide placings.
I disagree, scoring average is probably the best decision method as in considers both your attacking (for) and defensive strengths (against).
does scoring average not encourage defensive play?
based on my maths, you are better off winning low scoring matches than high scoring matches!
e.g. For 10 points
against 5 points
Average = 2
To get an average of 2 with a high scoring game would mean you have to win by a bigger margin to keep the same average.
e.g. if you scored 30 points, you would have to win the game by 15 points to get an average of 2.
Personally, I don't see the logic in using averages instead of scoring difference.
Am I missing something?
Correct, if you win every game by 0.2 to 0.1 you would have an average of 2.0 even though you only have a points difference of +3. Also is it possible to calculate an average if you keep the other team scoreless?
Agreed lads - good points..
Turgid game in Clones v Fermanagh.
Forwards had very little space on either side, Tyrone just about deserved the win but credit to Fermanagh, they started brightly and with some better shooting could have made this much more uncomfortable.
Sludden and mcCurry best for Tyrone. McNulty did ok but tends to charge down blind alleys at times into 4 or 5 men. Sometimes you get the free from that, sometimes not.
Big Quigley was impressive stroking the ball over off the ground from 45+, looked like he put no effort into the kicks but they just glided over.
Fermanagh tackling and disposession was excellent. Turned Tyrone over on numerous occasions.
McShane wasnt great in the FF role but there will be better days ahead for him I'm sure. McKenna was ok, nothing spectacular.
Big Sean had a mare in the 10min he was on. Lost possession several times and got himself booked. Didn't come back out for second half, although Colm (who Sean replaced) did, do must have been a blood sub.
Brennan worked hard and there is definitely a good player there.
Was there much really learned from the Tyrone side? Not really.
Highlights of tyrone v fermanagh
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/38699568
I have no idea where they got that fella Mooney from in Cavan but he ruined that game.
Far to fussy , didn't let the game flow and made some very questionable calls throughout the game.
Decent enough game but Fermanagh kicked too many wides. We made poor decisioms at crucial times and gave the ball away far too easily. The only positive we can take from it is that we didn't roll over but we have to start stepping up against the better teams. Too easy to take a morale victory.
Though Sludden at chf was excellent as was P Harte.
I wonder what idiot decided a Derry V Tyrone final should be fixed for Newry on a Saturday night ?
It's up to you now Derry, to stop the "Dicks for Six".
Quote from: FermGael on January 22, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I have no idea where they got that fella Mooney from in Cavan but he ruined that game.
Far to fussy , didn't let the game flow and made some very questionable calls throughout the game.
Decent enough game but Fermanagh kicked too many wides. We made poor decisioms at crucial times and gave the ball away far too easily. The only positive we can take from it is that we didn't roll over but we have to start stepping up against the better teams. Too easy to take a morale victory.
Though Sludden at chf was excellent as was P Harte.
I wonder what idiot decided a Derry V Tyrone final should be fixed for Newry on a Saturday night ?
Armagh unavailable due to club All Ireland semi finals on Sunday.
Why didn't they flip a coin, Owenbeg or Omagh? Stupid bringing people from the likes of Dungiven to Newry on a winter evening.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 22, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
Why didn't they flip a coin, Owenbeg or Omagh? Stupid bringing people from the likes of Dungiven to Newry on a winter evening.
We should all just meet on the Sperrins and knock the fcuk out of each other. Whoever bring homes the most Tyrone scalps is the winner
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Quote from: BennyCake on January 22, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
Why didn't they flip a coin, Owenbeg or Omagh? Stupid bringing people from the likes of Dungiven to Newry on a winter evening.
We should all just meet on the Sperrins and knock the fcuk out of each other. Whoever bring homes the most Tyrone scalps is the winner
lol
Agree the venue is a disgrace not be to many at it imo.
Ballybofey another option, unreal its in Newry. Ulster Convention on in Burren on Saturday so it's being held locally so the 'suits' don't have to travel! Unbelievable!
Should be held in Ballinderry.
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 22, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Ballybofey another option, unreal its in Newry. Ulster Convention on in Burren on Saturday so it's being held locally so the 'suits' don't have to travel! Unbelievable!
There u go
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 22, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Ballybofey another option, unreal its in Newry. Ulster Convention on in Burren on Saturday so it's being held locally so the 'suits' don't have to travel! Unbelievable!
Ballybofey would be handy enough in January alright....not!
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Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 22, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Ballybofey another option, unreal its in Newry. Ulster Convention on in Burren on Saturday so it's being held locally so the 'suits' don't have to travel! Unbelievable!
Ballybofey would be handy enough in January alright....not!
I don't think you'd have to worry about it.................................
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 22, 2017, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 22, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Ballybofey another option, unreal its in Newry. Ulster Convention on in Burren on Saturday so it's being held locally so the 'suits' don't have to travel! Unbelievable!
Ballybofey would be handy enough in January alright....not!
All depends on what part of Tyrone/Derry you live. A hell of a lot handier to get to than Newry for a lot of people.
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 22, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 22, 2017, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 22, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
Ballybofey another option, unreal its in Newry. Ulster Convention on in Burren on Saturday so it's being held locally so the 'suits' don't have to travel! Unbelievable!
Ballybofey would be handy enough in January alright....not!
All depends on what part of Tyrone/Derry you live. A hell of a lot handier to get to than Newry for a lot of people.
Time to split Tyrone in half?
Sounds like a good win for Derry v a strong Monaghan line-up.
Has Barton got a strong group together now that are working hard for each other with so many others walking away from the panel.
Are they playing a blanket defence system or more open attacking football?
Well by all accounts they have been training since start of Oct so you'd expect them to be going well.
I would'nt read too much into any games at this time of year, as proven year after year. Even early rounds of league its difficult to make judgements as the bigger teams are only beginning to sort themselves out. I think Derry will give Tyrone a game for around 45/50 mins but will be well beat on the score board by the end.
Feck it, six for kicks it'll have to be so! :P ;)
The game is hardly on TV is it?
Lots of unfamiliar names in the Derry side this year.
Is it full of U21s and lads just out of minor? Plenty of potential in Derry if they had a bit of belief and togetherness there.
BBC had the final on Tv on the red button service before, anyone know if it's on this year?
Quote from: Itchy on January 27, 2017, 07:59:37 PM
BBC had the final on Tv on the red button service before, anyone know if it's on this year?
They had the Cavan-Tyrone final in 2015 on the BBC red button.
Armagh TV had last year's final due to it being in the Athletic Grounds.
Any word of this being shown on tv tonight?
Quote from: on the sideline on January 28, 2017, 03:38:40 PM
Any word of this being shown on tv tonight?
Get it on teamtalkmag
https://t.co/Uqi6NnDqxo
Dr McKenna Cup: Tyrone and Derry name much-changed teams for decider
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Niall Morgan returns in goal for Tyrone for the McKenna Cup decider
Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Final: Tyrone (holders) v Derry
Venue: Pairc Esler, Newry Date: Saturday, 28 January Throw-in: 19:00 GMT
Coverage: Extended highlights on BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website from Sunday evening
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte and Derry boss Damian Barton have both made several changes from their semi-finals for Saturday's Dr McKenna Cup final.
Harte's nine changes from the win over Fermanagh include the inclusion of Mark Bradley, Niall Morgan, Justin McMahon, Mattie Donnelly and Conor Meyler.
The inclusions of Mark Lynch and Conor McAtamney are among six changes from Derry's win over Monaghan.
Six-in-a-row seeking Tyrone beat Derry after extra-time in last year's final.
Morgan returns in goal while McMahon, Padraig Hampsey, Johnny Munroe andDonnelly come into the defence.
Up front, there are call-ups for Meyler, Bradley, Cahir McCullagh and Ronan O'Neill.
Tyrone are bidding for their sixth successive title in a repeat of last year's final at Pairc Esler.
The only survivors from the semi-final win over Fermanagh are defenders Aidan McCrory and Peter Harte, midfield pair Colm Cavanagh and Padraig McNulty, and forwards Declan McClure and Niall Sludden.
Barton calls up Conor McGrogan and Michael Warnock to his defence with Niall Keenan and Mark Craig dropping to the substitutes.
McAtamney joins Michael McEvoy in a new midfield partnership Aidan McLaughlin drops to the bench and James Kielt switches to centre half-forward.
Lynch and Peter Hagan are drafted into the attack with Carlus McWilliams and Emmett McGuckin relegated to the replacements and Benny Heron not included in the match-day squad.
Tyrone booked their place in the decider by beating Fermanagh 0-14 to 0-11 in their semi-final while Derry saw off Monaghan 2-12 to 1-13.
Last year's decider was a tempestuous affair with Tyrone pair Cathal McCarron and Ronan McNamee and Derry's Daniel McKinless and a serious facial injury sustained by Derry's Brendan Rogers also causing ill feeling between the counties following the game.
Tyrone: N Morgan, A McCrory, J McMahon, P Hampsey, J Munroe, M Donnelly, P Harte, C Cavanagh, P McNulty, D McClure, N Sludden, C Meyler, M Bradley, C McCullagh, R O'Neill.
Derry: B McKinless, C McGrogan, C Nevin, R Murphy, N Forester, O Duffin, M Warnock, C McAtamney, M McEvoy, E Lynn, J Kielt, P Hagan, M Lynch, R Bell, N Loughlin.
Extended match highlights on BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website from Sunday evening
http://bbc.in/2kdPhUg
Half time 1.07 to 0.02.
Mark Bradley 0.02
R.ONeill 0.02
Colm Cavanagh 1.00
Mattie D, P.Harte and D.McClure 0.01
McGuickin and Mark Lynch for Derry.
HTC Tyrone 1-07 Derry 0-02. Derry haven't scored since the 6th minute. You'd think the novelty of giving the inbreds a bating would wear off...it doesnt!
Since 1995 Tyrone should've started every match v Derry with 13 players to even the playing field a little. ;)
Mickey Harte going for his 10th McKenna Cup. Great achievement.
Shhhh Aaron. You'll annoy SouthTyrone and Co.
Did any of the new lads play well. I'm just following it on skitter.
In heaven for seven is on!! ;D
Lump on Tyrone, Sam's coming home boys!
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=265502&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Im assuming this was done because you wouldnt waste an Ulster Final ticket on the hoor.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 28, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Shhhh Aaron. You'll annoy SouthTyrone and Co.
Did any of the new lads play well. I'm just following it on skitter.
dont bait me fuzzman or il bate ye.lol
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Im assuming this was done because you wouldnt waste an Ulster Final ticket on the hoor.
Claimed he had a meeting just before the game which prevented him from being present for the national anthem.
Was wondering why so many RUC men around Newry tonight carrying rifles, that explains it.
Re the football, don't think Tyrone got out of second gear and still won at ease. Derry are very poor and lack a real star player(s). Out of all the new lads McClure has really stood out for me, also getting most game time. Sludden and Matty Donnelly a joy to watch, other lads showed glimpses but the reality was it wasn't even a contest. Justy Mc looks to be in good shape and Hampsey must get plenty of game time in league, he's a tough old fashioned defender.
Cheers TBO. How did Meyler and Munroe play?
Will be interesting to see who Mickey picks for next week.
Meyler was involved a lot, went through a lot of work but inclined to over do it at times. Still he had a positive influence on the game so that's all you can ask. Munroe was withdrawn and replaced by McCarron before throw in, must be injured.
Not even a contest unfortunately - I don't mean that to be disrespectful, just was so one sided. Tyrone will have learnt nothing from this.
The only disappointment I have from last nights match is that Brokenshire didn't wear his ceremonial hat
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Quote from: Orior on January 29, 2017, 12:28:41 PM
The only disappointment I have from last nights match is that Brokenshire didn't wear his ceremonial hat
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Are you mad? He couldn't wear that! Sure nobody would have known what team he was cheering for.
Quote from: The Bearded One on January 28, 2017, 10:38:19 PM
Meyler was involved a lot, went through a lot of work but inclined to over do it at times. Still he had a positive influence on the game so that's all you can ask. Munroe was withdrawn and replaced by McCarron before throw in, must be injured.
Munroe was never going to be starting he only arrived home yesterday evening from a holiday
The highlights of the final:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04qq46h/the-mckenna-cup-final
McKenna Cup Draw 2018
St Mary's Tyrone Cavan Antrim Section A
UU Down Derry Armagh Section B
QUB Donegal Monaghan Fermanagh Section C
I see Jim McCorry has joined the Armagh management team.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 30, 2017, 08:25:37 PM
McKenna Cup Draw 2018
St Mary’s Tyrone Cavan Antrim Section A
UU Down Derry Armagh Section B
QUB Donegal Monaghan Fermanagh Section C
Colleges sides not part of the Munster,Leinster and Connacht pre season competitions why are they still part of the McKenna Cup?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 30, 2017, 09:53:22 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 30, 2017, 08:25:37 PM
McKenna Cup Draw 2018
St Mary's Tyrone Cavan Antrim Section A
UU Down Derry Armagh Section B
QUB Donegal Monaghan Fermanagh Section C
Colleges sides not part of the Munster,Leinster and Connacht pre season competitions why are they still part of the Kenna Cup?
Jeff wouldn't allow them in it.
The season is now in full swing. Bring it on.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 30, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
The season is now in full swing. Bring it on.
3Rd of January the fun begins!
Quote from: Avondhu star on November 30, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 30, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
The season is now in full swing. Bring it on.
3Rd of January the fun begins!
if the McKenna Cup is your idea of fun :o
Quote from: Rossfan on November 30, 2017, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 30, 2017, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on November 30, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 30, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
The season is now in full swing. Bring it on.
3Rd of January the fun begins!
if the McKenna Cup is your idea of fun :o
It would be if you lived in the 6 Cos......
You've been listening to the DUP too much. Ulster has 9 counties, not 6 :P
People in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal have plenty of fun already.
McKenna Cup is only fun for 6 Cos folk.
Only province with 6 counties is Munster
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 30, 2017, 08:25:37 PM
McKenna Cup Draw 2018
St Mary's Tyrone Cavan Antrim Section A
UU Down Derry Armagh Section B
QUB Donegal Monaghan Fermanagh Section C
Section B looks tasty!
Quote from: Rossfan on December 01, 2017, 12:01:49 AM
People in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal have plenty of fun already.
McKenna Cup is only fun for 6 Cos folk.
Why do you say that?
Did you ever see or hear aa happy 6 Cos residents? 😂
Quote from: BennyCake on December 01, 2017, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 01, 2017, 12:01:49 AM
People in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal have plenty of fun already.
McKenna Cup is only fun for 6 Cos folk.
Why do you say that?
Because he's a tool? ;D
Humour by passes still still strong up North :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on December 01, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
Did you ever see or hear aa happy 6 Cos residents? 😂
You need to stop listening to that DUP love-in on the Big Stevie Nolan show.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 30, 2017, 08:25:37 PM
McKenna Cup Draw 2018
St Mary's Tyrone Cavan Antrim Section A
UU Down Derry Armagh Section B
QUB Donegal Monaghan Fermanagh Section C
Harte v Tally v McGleenan v Harbinson
I see loads of Derry lads have opted out of county football again. A bit of a joke at this stage.
If Derry had the likes of McBride, McKinless, Holly, SL McGoldrick, Heavron, Loughlin, Bell etc available to them then they are more than capable of giving Ulster a good rattle.
Why are they opting out?
Derry is a complex county. Club scene there is war. Inability to put that aside at county level. String of managers that players probably didn't want/rate, internal fall outs between clubs/players/managers.
I genuinely don't know what man though could come in and steady that ship - serious talent in Derry, if they could unearth their Jim McGuinness there could be an All Ireland there but as you say, the opt outs kill any optimism.
Been to a few Derry Championship games in my time, always great occasions - but maybe the Derry posters could tell you more about their county than me.
The GAA bankrolling Dublin has killed the county game. That's why players aren't committing.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
The GAA bankrolling Dublin has killed the county game. That's why players aren't committing.
totally agree Bennycake,
the super 8s will only kill the game more
Quote from: naka on December 05, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 05, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
The GAA bankrolling Dublin has killed the county game. That's why players aren't committing.
totally agree Bennycake,
the super 8s will only kill the game more
Yup. 3 big defeats instead of 1, will be even more demoralising for the likes of a Fermanagh, Louth or Wexford. Or indeed many counties above their level.
Tyrone tanked us this year, but you can put things down to tiredness, injury, an off day etc. But had we got stuffed by Dublin and Kerry also in a super 8, you're left thinking "what is the point of this?"
Quote from: ONeill on December 03, 2017, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 30, 2017, 08:25:37 PM
McKenna Cup Draw 2018
St Mary's Tyrone Cavan Antrim Section A
UU Down Derry Armagh Section B
QUB Donegal Monaghan Fermanagh Section C
Harte v Tally v McGleenan v Harbinson
Harte v Tally v McGleenan v Harbinson/Trainor
Shea Heffron withdraws from Armagh. At this stage we will be lucky to get a team
Fermanagh have completed over 50 training sessions already!. Could be a good bet to topple the tyrone dominance.
Very low key this year. Hardly a peep from anyone.
Heard a couple of teams trained xmas day one wears green the other orange
Not near wise!!
Cavan players doing 18km runs. Talk about a throwback to the old school.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 30, 2017, 10:27:47 PM
Cavan players doing 18km runs. Talk about a throwback to the old school.
A km for each player on the panel.
Would the players be entitled to mileage allowance.
the lights have been on consistenty at garvaghey/waco over the winter too but not sure if anyones at home.
Mon Tyrone. Get wired into them Saffron hoors. Totally sick of their whining about the '46 semi v Kerry.
Down v Armagh the pick of the games
Another win for the red and black
McGeeney going backwards
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone & Antrim game being played at the athletic grounds
Tyrone Senior Team V. Antrim
Comórtas: Corn an Dr Mhic Cionnaith
Cluiche: Aontroim v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Páirc Lúthchleasaíochta, Ard Mhacha
Dáta: 03 Eanair 2018
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Brendan Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
3 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail
4 – Michael McKernan – Oileán a'Ghuail
5 – Tiarnan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
6 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
7 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
8 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 – Matthew Donnelly (c) – Trí Leac
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór
12 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a'Chaortainn
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
14 – Harry Loughran – An Mhaigh
15 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac
16 – Mickey O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó
18 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac
19 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo
20 – Conal McCann – Coill an Chlochair
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo
22 – Ben McDonnell – Aireagal Chiaráin
23 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin
24 – Ciaran McLaughlin – An Ómaigh
25 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Ómaigh
Please Note Game will now take place In Athletic Grounds In Armagh
www.tyronegaa.ie
1. Raymond Galligan (Lacken)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Padraig Faulkner (Kingscourt)
4. Damien McIntyre (Shercock)
5. Oisin Kiernan (Castlerahan)
6. Ciaran Brady (Arvagh)
7. Enda Flanagan (Castlerahan)
8. Sean McCormack (Ballyhaise)
9. David Brady (Ballyhaise)
10. Niall Clerkin (Shercock)
11. Conor Madden (Gowna)
12. Niall McKiernan (Lacken)
13. Jack Wharton (Cornafean)
14. Adrian Cole (Ramor United)
15. Bryan Magee (Cuchulainns)
16. Ciaran Flynn (Cavan Gaels)
17. David Phillips (Gowna)
18. Cormac Daly (Castlerahan)
19. Padraig Moore (Ballyhaise)
20. Conor Moynagh (Drumgoon)
21. Dan Wharton (Cornafean)
22. Conor Brady (Gowna)
23. Dónal Monahan (Drumlane)
24. Darragh Kennedy (Drumlane)
25. Conor Bradley (Ramor United)
26. Thomas Galligan (Lacken)
4 Pomeroy lads on the starting team?? That must be a first.
Probably beat Antrim on their own.
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
4 Pomeroy lads on the starting team?? That must be a first.
I thought there was no Irish translation for Pomeroy?
Quote from: hardstation on January 02, 2018, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
4 Pomeroy lads on the starting team?? That must be a first.
I thought there was no Irish translation for Pomeroy?
There is for the town land of Cavanakeerin though. In fact, it just is Irish really.
Why haven't Coalisland Fianna done likewise?
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
Mon Tyrone. Get wired into them Saffron hoors. Totally sick of their whining about the '46 semi v Kerry.
Yes it's time to mete out some Mc Kenna cup justice. It's the one chance we have to beat all that Ulster can throw at us in about 2 weeks. It's like stepping into the octagon for us. We bring war to the Mc Kenna cup. Whilst I think it should be scrapped or at least kick the unis out. I still enjoy most games.
very strong tyrone team that for a season opener, whats the reasons for it being played at armagh?
cause our county ground in omagh has a bog for a pitch. but its ok we have 6 or 7 good dry pitches up in our 7.6 million pound centre of excellence up in garvaghy which cant be used for county games.
Quote from: honthecounty on January 03, 2018, 10:19:43 AM
very strong tyrone team that for a season opener, whats the reasons for it being played at armagh?
Love Thy Neighbour, that's what Gaels do for one another...Even for Tyrone wans
I reckon there will be a few games off tonight?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone money spends just the same as ours, I love that their main pitch is a bog, very apt!
Fermanagh major plunge with PP no more money been taken those 80 training sessions so far are going to pay dividends.
Quote from: stew on January 03, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone money spends just the same as ours, I love that their main pitch is a bog, very apt!
I love that Armagh are absolutely dung! Very apt, obviously didn't get whipped hard enough last year
Quote from: redhandefender on January 03, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 03, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone money spends just the same as ours, I love that their main pitch is a bog, very apt!
I love that Armagh are absolutely dung! Very apt, obviously didn't get whipped hard enough last year
And whipping us worked out well for you didn't it
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 03, 2018, 10:29:11 AM
cause our county ground in omagh has a bog for a pitch. but its ok we have 6 or 7 good dry pitches up in our 7.6 million pound centre of excellence up in garvaghy which cant be used for county games.
"We" think its been established that you are from Fermanagh ye moan!
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
Mon Tyrone. Get wired into them Saffron hoors. Totally sick of their whining about the '46 semi v Kerry.
Eff aff you red hand,Johnny come lately, wannabes. Just jealous of our historical greatness. A few years of relative success doesn't trump our history. :P
Quote from: stew on January 03, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone money spends just the same as ours, I love that their main pitch is a bog, very apt!
A mug of tae is £2 tonight. Usually it's £1 ;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 03, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 03, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 03, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone money spends just the same as ours, I love that their main pitch is a bog, very apt!
I love that Armagh are absolutely dung! Very apt, obviously didn't get whipped hard enough last year
And whipping us worked out well for you didn't it
It worked out well for me, I got to rub it in to a car load of Armagh ones the whole way back from Dublin, the next day!
Were they good lukin?
McKenna Cup round 1
Tyrone 1-11 Antrim 0-03, Athletic Grounds, 8pm
Cavan 0-05 St Mary's 0-06, Kingspan Breffni 3G, 8pm
Down 0-05 Armagh 0-07, Pairc Esler, 8pm
Derry 1-05 UUJ 0-06, Owenbeg, 8pm
Donegal 1-05 Queen's 0-01, Ballybofey, 8pm
Fermanagh 0-03 Monaghan 0-05, Brewster Park, 8pm
http://www.hoganstand.com/LiveTracker/index/433#ltTop
HALF TIME Scores:
McKenna Cup round 1
Tyrone 1-10 Antrim 0-04, Athletic Grounds, 8pm HT
Cavan 0-05 St Mary's 0-08, Kingspan Breffni 3G, 8pm HT
Down 0-05 Armagh 0-09, Pairc Esler, 8pm HT
Derry 1-06 UUJ 0-08, Owenbeg, 8pm HT
Donegal 2-05 Queen's 0-02, Ballybofey, 8pm HT
Fermanagh 0-05 Monaghan 0-06, Brewster Park, 8pm HT
HOGANSTAND LIVE TRACKER
Antrim team:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AontroimGAA/status/948638233478549504/photo/1
Fermanagh Team
https://mobile.twitter.com/FermanaghGAA/status/948644522589868036/photo/1
Monaghan Team
https://mobile.twitter.com/FermanaghGAA/status/948644522589868036/photo/2
Armagh Team
https://mobile.twitter.com/OfficialDownGAA/status/948643860770623490/photo/1
Down Team
https://mobile.twitter.com/OfficialDownGAA/status/948643534508380160/photo/1
Down 0-7 Armagh 2-10 after 45 mins
Going by last year's performances, Armagh should pull up now, and let Down win.
Aye.
Down 0-12 Armagh 2-10 after 53 mins
Latest scores
McKenna Cup round 1
Tyrone 4-16 Antrim 1-06, Athletic Grounds, 8pm
Cavan 0-11 St Mary's 0-11, Kingspan Breffni 3G, 8pm
Down 0-12 Armagh 2-10, Pairc Esler, 8pm
Derry 2-09 UUJ 2-09, Owenbeg, 8pm
Donegal 2-11 Queen's 0-03, Ballybofey, 8pm
Fermanagh 2-06 Monaghan 0-08, Brewster Park, 8pm
My message got through to geezer...
Down 0-13 Armagh 2-12 after 65 mins
Derry Team V UUJ
Derry v Ulster University: Ben McKinless; Conor McCluskey, Kevin Johnston, Ruairi Mooney; Padraig McGrogan, Michael McEvoy, Jordan Curran; Jack Doherty, Patrick Kearney; Conor Doherty, Ciarán McFaul, Patrick Coney; Enda Lynn, Callum Brown, Peter Hagan. Subs: Oran Hartin, Liam McGoldrick, Conor McAtamney, Mark Lynch, Seán McKeever, Niall Toner, James Kielt.
McKenna Cup round 1 RESULTS
Tyrone 4-20 Antrim 2-11, Athletic Grounds, 8pm FT
Cavan 0-15 St Mary's 0-12, Kingspan Breffni 3G, 8pm FT
Down 0-13 Armagh 2-12, Pairc Esler, 8pm FT
Derry 2-14 UUJ 3-10, Owenbeg, 8pm FT
Donegal 2-14 Queen's 0-06, Ballybofey, 8pm FT
Fermanagh 2-11 Monaghan 0-12, Brewster Park, 8pm FT
http://www.hoganstand.com/LiveTracker/index/433#ltTop
Good Armagh away win for Armagh, will need to hit the ground running this year to gain promotion.
Pleasantly surprised with the Armagh result
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
Smurfy's way of patting you on the back while booting you up the hole.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
Smurfy
Let's face it so are Down.
All in all though an enjoyable game to start the year for both teams.
Both tried to play football with no real nastiness
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
Geez, for a moment I thought you were going to say something disrespectful.
Report on cavan v st Mary's
http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2018/01/03/4150368-mckiernans-fivestar-sho/
Calling it as I see it Orior
Armagh are a big physical side but little footballers among them
The big lad Murnin is a good player
Forker played well tonight but he doesn't produce it when it matters
Typical first game of the season - keen, imperfect, a little fractured,littered with new faces and players out of position. But ultimately good to see county game back. I Thought young lappin up front for Armagh Did himself no harm in his first start. Also, Smurfy123....that was a superb analysis of the game, are you a journalist by trade???
Based on that result Cavan are a cert for the Sigerson.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 03, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 03, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 03, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Tyrone playing at home again.
At the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone money spends just the same as ours, I love that their main pitch is a bog, very apt!
I love that Armagh are absolutely dung! Very apt, obviously didn't get whipped hard enough last year
And whipping us worked out well for you didn't it
Difficult to name any occasion when humbling your inferior neighbours and greatest haters doesn't work out? 8)
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
McGovern
Mckernan
Turley
Mooney
Maginn
Ohagan
Mcparland
Doherty
Millar
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did a lot of these lads play championship football last year?
Yes your right
Was getting carried away
Quote from: our_fella on January 04, 2018, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
McGovern
Mckernan
Turley
Mooney
Maginn
Ohagan
Mcparland
Doherty
Millar
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did a lot of these lads play championship football last year?
Doherty played about 30 mins last year and Barry ohagan was injured for majority of the season
Great to have some matches to look forward to this weekend, instead of that soccer stuff.
Majority of games called off this morning. Is it time to insist these McKenna cup games are only scheduled to venues that have option of a Astro pitch. There is no satisfactory way to catch these up due to the close proximity of the league to the pre season tournaments.
Saver just calling it a day on these comps and letting teams arrange their own friendlies before the league.
Quote from: crice123 on January 04, 2018, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 04, 2018, 12:41:43 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
Don't get carried away lads
Down has about 2 players that started championship
No disrespect to Armagh but use are crap
McGovern
Mckernan
Turley
Mooney
Maginn
Ohagan
Mcparland
Doherty
Millar
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did a lot of these lads play championship football last year?
Doherty played about 30 mins last year and Barry ohagan was injured for majority of the season
No disrespect to you but we bate Down, what does that make them?
We made the AIQF last year so probably not crap as you so eloquently put it.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 03, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
And whipping us worked out well for you didn't it
Yeah it meant we got to an AI semi final something ye lads haven't done since 2005 where we lost to the team who have been unbeaten in championship football for 3 years now and have only lost one game in the last 4 years.
Ye made good progress this year getting to an AI quarterfinal and could do the same this year by getting into the super 8s if ye learn from last year. Is JC staying put this year?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 09, 2018, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 03, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
And whipping us worked out well for you didn't it
Yeah it meant we got to an AI semi final something ye lads haven't done since 2005 where we lost to the team who have been unbeaten in championship football for 3 years now and have only lost one game in the last 4 years.
Ye made good progress this year getting to an AI quarterfinal and could do the same this year by getting into the super 8s if ye learn from last year. Is JC staying put this year?
Had we kept the same squad I would say that the super 8s were a possibility. As it is, with the players who have opted out, I don't see us getting there.
Jamie Clarke? Who knows. I would be surprised if we see him in orange again but others may know more than me
Who and why have they opted out?
Are people not happy with Geezer again?
James Morgan and Ciaran O'Hanlon are travelling as far as I know
Stefan Campbell is playing soccer and not available for the league anyway
Oisin O'Neill has opted out for reasons I don't know and wouldn't want to speculate
And there's Jamie Clarke gone also
There are more but I cant remember them off the top of my head
At half time, Armagh are a man down and are down by 5 points to Jordanstown. Some Armagh players are anonymous!
Seamies back
Fermanagh 3 points up in Donegal with a few left after trailing by 3 at the half
14 men from Armagh snatch a draw!
Fermanagh win 1-13 to 1-10
Good tight game in breffni.
Derry get a goal in the last minute to beat down 1-14 to 2-10.
Quote from: Orior on January 10, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
14 men from Armagh snatch a draw!
The fog was awful actually couldn't make out who was who
So armagh v derry to decide group winner.. who will.either of them.play? Best runner up?
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2018, 09:42:42 PM
Good tight game in breffni.
Just seen the result, seems like it!!
Mc cabe
Armagh were down by 6 halfway through the second half
1-9 to 0-6 so reeled in 6 good scores to equalise.
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Mc cabe
Armagh were down by 6 halfway through the second half
1-9 to 0-6 so reeled in 6 good scores to equalise.
Maybe we need a fog machine at all games.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Mc cabe
Armagh were down by 6 halfway through the second half
1-9 to 0-6 so reeled in 6 good scores to equalise.
Maybe we need a fog machine at all games.
Personally think whoever picked man if match must have missed most of match. I thought Madine was best. Bradley got it.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 10, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Mc cabe
Armagh were down by 6 halfway through the second half
1-9 to 0-6 so reeled in 6 good scores to equalise.
Maybe we need a fog machine at all games.
Personally think whoever picked man if match must have missed most of match. I thought Madine was best. Bradley got it.
Ah Christ, Bradley was different gravy. Ran rings around the whole of armagh on his own.
Quote from: our_fella on January 10, 2018, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 10, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Mc cabe
Armagh were down by 6 halfway through the second half
1-9 to 0-6 so reeled in 6 good scores to equalise.
Maybe we need a fog machine at all games.
Personally think whoever picked man if match must have missed most of match. I thought Madine was best. Bradley got it.
Ah Christ, Bradley was different gravy. Ran rings around the whole of armagh on his own.
No chance. Played well no doubt but passing the ball around playing keep ball does not count in my book. Besides anyone who gets a blackcard for the tackle he made should be exempt from being picked
Early days yet I know but the writing on the wall doesn't look great for Cavan.
I think they probably listened a little too much to the criticism on their style of football in recent years as while not pretty on the eye, they were very hard to play against whereas now they look like they could be turning into a bit of a soft touch.
Fermanagh look to be motoring nicely under Gallagher.
Tyrone romping it but they have their panel at more or less full strength apart from the UUJ contingent, Colm Cavanagh and a few others.
Cavan's biggest problem has being the huge experiment in players and not putting senior players them to help them along. I don't know how Harte got MOTM. Probably Tyrone's quietest player. Given to the name rather than performance.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 11, 2018, 12:15:01 AM
Cavan's biggest problem has being the huge experiment in players and not putting senior players them to help them along. I don't know how Harte got MOTM. Probably Tyrone's quietest player. Given to the name rather than performance.
He was top scorer with 7 points, matching the entire Cavan team ;)
Quote from: GlenMan on January 11, 2018, 01:42:36 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 11, 2018, 12:15:01 AM
Cavan's biggest problem has being the huge experiment in players and not putting senior players them to help them along. I don't know how Harte got MOTM. Probably Tyrone's quietest player. Given to the name rather than performance.
He was top scorer with 7 points, matching the entire Cavan team ;)
Five frees and a 45. Most of Tyrone's attacks went down the other wing.
Armagh fielding a strong enough team, and are six points up approaching half time.
Am I right in saying it looks like Armagh and Donegal in the other semi should results stay as they are?
Tyrone 3 up at Fermanagh who went down to 14 men on the stroke of half time.
Tyrone await Armagh or Donegal in the final.
Very impressive win for Donegal who looked to have a strong team out.
Hard earned win for Armagh today and semi final against Donegal next should be good preparation for the NFL.
So Armagh win the game that according to the Irish News no-one wanted to win ::)
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
So Armagh win the game that according to the Irish News no-one wanted to win ::)
Maybe McGeeney prefers the Newsletter. What did the Newsletter say about today's match?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
So Armagh win the game that according to the Irish News no-one wanted to win ::)
Maybe McGeeney prefers the Newsletter. What did the Newsletter say about today's match?
It said that with Armagh having home advantage they should just prove too strong for a Londonderry team that are minus several of their best players due to involvement with
the RA their clubs ;)
Armagh Donegal game in Balleybofey apparently
Sounds like a horrible game in horrible conditions.
What do people make of the new lads, especially McDonnell and McLaughlin?
McNulty seems to be getting a lot of game time again
Fermanagh 0-4 Tyrone 0-8 from Irish Times
Tyrone advanced to another Dr McKenna Cup decider thanks to this four-point victory over home side Fermanagh at Brewster Park. This was to be a dourly fought out encounter, scoring always at a premium with just three points shot in a testing second half played in difficult conditions.
Tyrone were to open brightly enough shooting three points inside 10 minutes, Declan McClure and Conor McAliskey on target but a dogged Fermanagh side quickly pegged that lead back.
In what was their most productive spell of the contest the Erne side levelled with three scores in a breezy five minute spell.
Aiden Breen, Barry Mulrone and Seamus Quigley the latter with a placed kick had the home side back in business. But from there on both attacks were to be curtailed.
Tyrone did pick up three points in the lead up to the interval and Fermanagh were dealt a blow on the stroke of half-time when defender Kane Connor was despatched on a second yellow card.
Fermanagh notched the first score on the resumption, Ryan Jones pumping over but that was to be the final success for them. In fact it took over 25 minutes for the next score to arrive, Darren McCurry slotting a Tyrone free and a few minutes from time Ronan O'Neill thumped over the final score of the day.
TYRONE: M O'Neill, A McCrory, H P McGeary; M Cassidy; C McLaughlin, M Donnelly, K McGeary; B McDonnell; D McClure(0-1); R Donnelly, N Sludden, C Mc Cann; D McCurry (0-2, frees); Ronan McHugh; C McAliskey (0-2 free).
Subs: P Hamspey for H P McGeary; Conor Meyler for McAliskey; Padraigh McNulty for McDonnell; Ronan O'Neill (0-1) for D McCurry; Michael McKernan for R Donnelly; Ronan McNabb for M Donnelly.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
Armagh Donegal game in Balleybofey apparently
And was on the toss of a coin. Too late to make it the best of three? Armagh still had far too many wides on Sunday
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:35:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
So Armagh win the game that according to the Irish News no-one wanted to win ::)
Maybe McGeeney prefers the Newsletter. What did the Newsletter say about today's match?
It said that with Armagh having home advantage they should just prove too strong for a Londonderry team that are minus several of their best players due to involvement with the RA their clubs ;)
:D
Very good illdecide. )
I'd say Geezer and the players need a trip to Ballybofey on a stormy January midweek night like they need a kick in the balls. (It would have been the same for Donegal if they had to come to Armagh)
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Hopefully they're the ones who couldn't kick the ball between the posts.
On a serious note (B flat) the semi-final must be in doubt.
Quote from: Orior on January 15, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Hopefully they're the ones who couldn't kick the ball between the posts.
On a serious note (B flat) the semi-final must be in doubt.
If I was Geezer, Id seriously just consider giving Donegal a walkover
Unreal but I suppose ye do play challenge matches unlike us.
When and where is the final?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 15, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Hopefully they're the ones who couldn't kick the ball between the posts.
On a serious note (B flat) the semi-final must be in doubt.
If I was Geezer, Id seriously just consider giving Donegal a walkover
Good job you are not Geezer then, they need to fulfill their obligations, injuries can happen at any time, that said having this game in Ballybofey on a Wednesday night is ridiculous.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2018, 12:37:55 PM
Unreal but I suppose ye do play challenge matches unlike us.
When and where is the final?
Sunday. Not sure where
Quote from: stew on January 16, 2018, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 15, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Hopefully they're the ones who couldn't kick the ball between the posts.
On a serious note (B flat) the semi-final must be in doubt.
If I was Geezer, Id seriously just consider giving Donegal a walkover
Good job you are not Geezer then, they need to fulfill their obligations, injuries can happen at any time, that said having this game in Ballybofey on a Wednesday night is ridiculous.
True that injuries can happen at anytime but they are more likely to happen in weather conditions like wed is supposed to be. Add in travel time, late getting back, players having to miss work you have to ask is it worth it
This is a semi final where the loser is likely to be the real winner. Whoever goes through faces the prospect of a chinning if the Red Hard are in the mood.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2018, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2018, 12:37:55 PM
Unreal but I suppose ye do play challenge matches unlike us.
When and where is the final?
Sunday. Not sure where
Omagh, maybe. Oh wait...
Quote from: stew on January 16, 2018, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 15, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Hopefully they're the ones who couldn't kick the ball between the posts.
On a serious note (B flat) the semi-final must be in doubt.
If I was Geezer, Id seriously just consider giving Donegal a walkover
Good job you are not Geezer then, they need to fulfill their obligations, injuries can happen at any time, that said having this game in Ballybofey on a Wednesday night is ridiculous.
Quote from: stew on January 16, 2018, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 15, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 15, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 15, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Why not?
Is it not all about getting games this time of the year.
Fair enough it's a tough watch for the fans on a cold miserable night but do players not want to be playing games, even if its away from home than training?
Their season might be short enough this year.
the game against Derry has already possibly cost us a couple of players for the first league game according to Geezer in the IN today
Hopefully they're the ones who couldn't kick the ball between the posts.
On a serious note (B flat) the semi-final must be in doubt.
If I was Geezer, Id seriously just consider giving Donegal a walkover
Good job you are not Geezer then, they need to fulfill their obligations, injuries can happen at any time, that said having this game in Ballybofey on a Wednesday night is ridiculous.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 16, 2018, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2018, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 16, 2018, 12:37:55 PM
Unreal but I suppose ye do play challenge matches unlike us.
When and where is the final?
Sunday. Not sure where
Omagh, maybe. Oh wait...
Ridiculous at any day or time !!!!!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 16, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
This is a semi final where the loser is likely to be the real winner. Whoever goes through faces the prospect of a chinning if the Red Hard are in the mood.
Unfortunately Dublin dont play in the McKenna cup, Chinnings are subjective! :P
Quote from: stew on January 17, 2018, 12:55:23 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 16, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
This is a semi final where the loser is likely to be the real winner. Whoever goes through faces the prospect of a chinning if the Red Hard are in the mood.
Unfortunately Dublin dont play in the McKenna cup, Chinnings are subjective! :P
You don't need to be Dublin to give you boys a chinning any time of the year
If match is going to be off, make the call is made this morning.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 17, 2018, 08:55:11 AM
If match is going to be off, make the call is made this morning.
pitch inspections at 930
I would be very surprised if the game goes ahead, it's not even the pitch but the safety of the spectators that must be taken into account here. That drive for Armagh folk and even the Donegal fans who are quite rural are at risk trying to get to the game with snow and ice.
Call the game off and put if on either tomorrow night or Friday night, I suppose Sunday is ideal but the final is scheduled for Sunday and apparently the GAA have said they have no more free dates...?
Hard to see this going ahead tonight and the McKenna Cup being wrapped up by Sunday.
Game off
Quote from: redhandefender on January 17, 2018, 08:39:50 AM
Quote from: stew on January 17, 2018, 12:55:23 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 16, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
This is a semi final where the loser is likely to be the real winner. Whoever goes through faces the prospect of a chinning if the Red Hard are in the mood.
Unfortunately Dublin dont play in the McKenna cup, Chinnings are subjective! :P
You don't need to be Dublin to give you boys a chinning any time of the year
touchy touchy touchy ;)
QuoteFollowing the postponement of tonight's game, the Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final between Donegal and Armagh has been refixed as follows:
Saturday 20th January (6.00pm, ET if necessary, Finish on the Day) Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final
Donegal V Armagh at Pairc MacCumhaill, Ballybofey
Subsequently, the Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Final between Tyrone and Donegal / Armagh is now scheduled for the weekend of 17th / 18th February.
The match is now set for Celtic Park.
All square at half time. Armagh basically fielded their B team.
Any donegal lineup?
Full time.
Armagh 1-10 Donegal 0-20
I see there was an Edward English from Mullaghbawn playing for Armagh tonight.
Not the kind of name you'd usually associate with South Armagh!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 20, 2018, 08:10:33 PM
I see there was an Edward English from Mullaghbawn playing for Armagh tonight.
Not the kind of name you'd usually associate with South Armagh!
Correct. There are English's in mid/north Armagh but more into rugger or soccer.
Quote from: Orior on January 20, 2018, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 20, 2018, 08:10:33 PM
I see there was an Edward English from Mullaghbawn playing for Armagh tonight.
Not the kind of name you'd usually associate with South Armagh!
Correct. There are English's in mid/north Armagh but more into rugger or soccer.
We had very regal sounding names tonight: a James and a Charles too. No Billy, though.
Quote from: Orior on January 20, 2018, 06:43:58 PM
All square at half time. Armagh basically fielded their B team.
Knew what was waiting in the final obviously. Players can only take so many thrashings at the hands of Tyrone in their playing career! The counselling therapy bill must be enormous at this point ;D
Neither team at anything like full strength. Donegal going well at midfield & up front but the full back line looked vulnerable under a high ball.
We'll know more next weekend after a trip to Killarney!!
Has this been switched to the Athletic Grounds from Celtic Park? Tyrone GAA have this on twitter.
Quote from: Rois on February 13, 2018, 10:41:47 AM
Has this been switched to the Athletic Grounds from Celtic Park? Tyrone GAA have this on twitter.
Yeah it's been moved to Armagh with a 6pm throw-in. They moved it from Derry because Derry are playing their refixed league game on Sunday.
Thanks
Dr McKenna Cup final: Colm Cavanagh returns for much-changed Tyrone
Donegal hope to end Tyrone's bid for a seventh consecutive McKenna Cup title
2018 Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup Final
Venue: Athletic Grounds, Armagh Date: Saturday, 17 February Throw-in: 18:00 GMT
Coverage: Live video stream on the BBC Sport NI website
Colm Cavanagh is named in a Tyrone team for Saturday's Dr McKenna Cup final which shows 14 changes from last weekend's League win over Kildare.
Defender Cathal McCarron is the only player to retain a starting role.
Brendan Burns and Michael Cassidy are named in the defence with Errigal Ciaran's Ben McDonnell partnering Cavanagh at midfield.
Harry Loughran and Ronan McHugh are selected in an attack that does include Declan McClure and Ronan O'Neill.
The bench includes regular starters Niall Morgan, Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte and Niall Sludden.
'No love lost between teams' - Doherty
Speaking in the run-up to the game, Donegal defender Eamonn Doherty has admitted there is "no love lost" with Tyrone ahead.
The two sides will meet in a rearranged match at the Athletic Grounds after the early stages of the tournament were disrupted by bad weather.
"It's neighbouring counties who have seen an awful lot of each other the last few years," said Doherty.
"There's no love lost between the two teams so both will be going for it hammer and tongs."
Donegal are still without a win from their opening three league matches while Tyrone registered their first victory with a battling one-point success against Kildare in round three.
"I don't think the mentality changes," added Doherty.
"There is a trophy on the line in the middle of the league but in hindsight it's a good thing because it could make it a more interesting game.
"Both teams will be that bit fitter after a few tough league games so the form is going to be a bit better."
Tryone beat Donegal by 1-21 to 1-12 in their Ulster semi-final last year
Donegal's three defeats in Division One have all been by narrow margins with a five-point loss to All-Ireland champions Dublin at Croke Park following one-point defeats by Galway and Kerry.
Tyrone, who began the league with losses against Dublin and Galway, will host their neighbours at Healy Park when they meet in round five of Division One.
"We have been playing well but playing well doesn't necessarily get you points on the board and that shows," admitted Doherty.
"It's against Tyrone so there's a bit of bragging rights coming up to a league game, on the third of March in Healy Park, and as well as that it's a morale booster going into the Kildare game next week.
"So it's a very important game, it's not just a McKenna Cup final."
Tyrone's magnificent seven
Tyrone have dominated the McKenna Cup in recent years and the Red Hands will be targeting a seventh consecutive title at the Athletic Grounds.
The reigning Ulster champions have moved off the foot of the Division One table following their narrow win at Newbridge and manager Mickey Harte hopes his side can take that momentum into Saturday's final.
"It's such a difference between having two league points and none," said Harte.
"We would have been bottom basement again if we had lost that game but now the way the results have gone, it kind of puts you as a mid-table team.
"We won't be flattered by that either because there's very good games coming up and anybody can beat anybody in Division One, apart I suppose Dublin - they seem to beat everybody - but everybody else would believe they have a chance against the others."
Donegal manager Declan Bonner must decide whether or not to hand a first start of the season to Michael Murphy, who came off the bench during the defeat by Dublin.
The two-time All Star winner could be set to renew his attacking partnership with Patrick McBrearty, who has been in sensational form for Donegal in the early part of 2018.
"It's exciting to see Michael getting back," said Doherty.
"He's a leader in the team and it's good to have him back training now as well because he just lifts the whole team and the standards that he sets brings the whole squad with him."
Tyrone: M O'Neill; A McCrory, C McCarron, B Burns; M Cassidy, R McNabb, K McGeary; C Cavanagh, B McDonnell; D McClure, H Loughran, C McCann; D McCurry, R McHugh, R O'Neill.
Replacements: N Morgan, M Donnelly, P Hampsey, P Harte, C McAliskey, HP McGeary, C McLaughlin, P McNulty, C McShane, C Meyler, N Sludden.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/43049736
Game is being shown on the bbc website tomorrow night.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 16, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
Game is being shown on the bbc website tomorrow night.
Link?
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 17, 2018, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 16, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
Game is being shown on the bbc website tomorrow night.
Link?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/42649959
Donegal 1-4 Tyrone 1-2 after 10 minutes
Crazy scoring.
No blankets in this game. Two association football like goals scored.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2018, 06:16:45 PM
No blankets in this game. Two association football like goals scored.
Nevermind no blankets, there's hardly any defending at all.
Very enjoyable game
Pace of scoring has dropped considerably with a lot of scoreable wides on both sides.
Donegal went 15 minutes without getting a score there.
Players like Ronan O'Neill and Ronan McHugh need to be doing much more to put pressure on for a starting spot in NFL. Not good enough tonight. McCurry doimg much better.
Great coverage. The BBC is giving better service to the GAA than RTE.
Good to see the Dutch lad Hampshey starting.
A half of two halves.
Donegal 1-9 v Tyrone 1-6 at Half-time
Donegal 1-4 Tyrone 1-2 after 10 minutes
Donegal 0-5 v Tyrone 0-4 for the remaining 25 minutes.
Defenses were completely absent on both sides the first 10 minutes, but woke up after that.
I think Donegal will surely regret the patch of 15 minutes without a score, especially as they had a lot of very scorable chances in this period.
Tyrone lucky enough to be only 3 points down.
Conditions not the best, but some nice football being played.
Quote from: BennyCake on February 17, 2018, 06:43:47 PM
Good to see the Dutch lad Hampshey starting.
lol noticed that also.
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 17, 2018, 06:43:07 PM
Great coverage. The BBC is giving better service to the GAA than RTE.
Stop you will upset Easytiger with comments like that.
That's Tyrone McKenna cup winning run over! Well done to Donegal.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2018, 06:57:10 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 17, 2018, 06:43:07 PM
Great coverage. The BBC is giving better service to the GAA than RTE.
Stop you will upset Easytiger with comments like that.
We've Armagh co. Board to thank for the coverage not really the bbc. If this match was in Omagh or newry the cameras wouldn't be there for it. It's the Armagh tv gig which we've to thank for the coverage.
Quote from: trileacman on February 17, 2018, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 17, 2018, 06:57:10 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 17, 2018, 06:43:07 PM
Great coverage. The BBC is giving better service to the GAA than RTE.
Stop you will upset Easytiger with comments like that.
We've Armagh co. Board to thank for the coverage not really the bbc. If this match was in Omagh or newry the cameras wouldn't be there for it. It's the Armagh tv gig which we've to thank for the coverage.
It's a deadly set up to be fair to them. Well done Donegal, the game in Healy park in two weeks will be a tasty affair, as always.
Ah fair play to Donegal, some amount of messing by Tyrone but a more interesting game as a result.
Poor Niall Devlin, a Tyrone man, having to present the cup!
Quote from: trileacman on February 17, 2018, 07:39:06 PM
We've Armagh co. Board to thank for the coverage not really the bbc. If this match was in Omagh or newry the cameras wouldn't be there for it. It's the Armagh tv gig which we've to thank for the coverage.
Wobbler is somewhat sceptical of the sustainability of volunteer input to such operations, but perhaps the GAA providing the coverage is one way forward for smaller games.
Quote from: Rois on February 17, 2018, 07:45:44 PM
Ah fair play to Donegal, some amount of messing by Tyrone but a more interesting game as a result.
Poor Niall Devlin, a Tyrone man, having to present the cup!
I thought Tyrone would be glad to rid of it, a millstone.
Enjoyable enough game. Fair play to the BBC (and to the Armagh setup by the sounds of it) for broadcasting it.
Donegal tackling pretty poor I felt and it's been an unwelcome feature of our game all year. Some bad wides too. A good run out for the younger lads though and nice to see Frank and Michael feature.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 17, 2018, 06:41:32 PM
Players like Ronan O'Neill and Ronan McHugh need to be doing much more to put pressure on for a starting spot in NFL. Not good enough tonight. McCurry doimg much better.
Yes ........ apart from Ronan's free kicks keeping Tyrone in the match.
Attendance of 4,287 for the McKenna Cup final With each attendee paying €10 + no wonder they wanted it played
Wrong dodger season tickets which cost 25 for the five games children u 16 free.
Ronan's free taking was much better after the first miss. Still not doing enough from open play though. Ronan McHugh took on some crazy efforts as well when recycling was the correct option.
Some finish by McElhinney for his goal, btw.
Dr McKenna Cup final: Donegal deny Red Hands
February 17, 2018
Donegal's first-half goal is chipped in by Martin McElhinney against Tyrone in the Dr McKenna Cup final
Donegal finished strongly to thwart Tyrone's bid for a seventh successive Dr McKenna Cup title at the Athletic Grounds this evening.
Declan Bonner's side have nothing to show for three promising performances in the Allianz FL Division 1 to date but they got their hands on some silverware thanks to a 1-16 to 1-12 victory over the Red Hand County.
A lively encounter saw Harry Loughran (Tyrone) and Martin McElhinney trade goals in the opening quarter and the Tir Chonaill oufit led by 1-9 to 1-6 at the change of ends.
Michael Murphy came off the bench to replace McElhinney early in the second-half and he contributed three points to his county's cause.
Niall O'Donnell and Paul Brennan also made an impression on the scoresheet while the Donegal defence did well to hold Mickey Harte's men scoreless in the closing stages.
It represents Donegal's first success in the competition since 2010 and is a timely boost ahead of next weekend's must-win league fixture against Kildare.
Donegal - Shaun Patton; Stephen McMenamin, Conor Morrison, Frank McGlynn (0-1); Eamonn Doherty, Paul Brennan (0-2), Dáire O'Baoill (0-2); Odhrán Mac Niallais (0-1), Hugh McFadden; Ciaran Thompson (0-1), Martin McElhinney (1-1), Mark McHugh; Caolan McGonagle, Stephen McBrearty, Marty O'Reilly (0-2, 1f). Subs: Niall O'Donnell (0-3) for S McBrearty (24); Michael Murphy (0-3, 2f) for McElhinney (41); Nathan Mullins for O'Reilly (45); Caolan Ward for McGlynn (53); Brendan McCole for McGonagle (64); Neil McGee for Doherty (70)
Tyrone - Mickey O'Neill; Aidan McCrory, Cathal McCarron (0-1), Brendan Burns; Michael Cassidy, Ronan McNabb, Kieran McGeary (0-1); Padraig Hampsey, Ben McDonnell; Declan McClure (0-1), Harry Loughran (1-1), Conal McCann (0-1); Darren McCurry (0-1), Ronan McHugh, Ronan O'Neill (0-6, 5f). Subs: Matthew Donnelly for McClure (40); Cathal McShane for Cassidy (41); Peter Harte for McGeary (42); Hugh Pat McGeary for McCrory (50); Conor Meyler for McDonnell (53); Niall Sludden for Loughran (60)
Ref: Barry Cassidy (Derry)
http://hoganstand.com/Tyrone/Article/Index/281376
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/43049736
Bonnar happy
Dr McKenna Cup final: Donegal 1-16 Tyrone 1-12
1 hour ago
Donegal manager Declan Bonner is pleased with his side's McKenna Cup win
Donegal have ended Tyrone's dominance of the McKenna Cup after coming out on top an entertaining final at the Athletic Grounds.
Tyrone were denied a seventh straight title as Donegal registered their first McKenna Cup success since 2010.
Harry Loughran and Martin McElhinney exchanged first-half goals as Donegal won out by 1-16 to 1-12.
Donegal's Michael Murphy came off the bench to score three points and steer his side to a deserved win.
Tyrone finished the game with just 14 men after captain Matthew Donnelly was shown a second yellow card during a tense finish.
The two neighbours will renew their rivalry in just two week's time when they meet in round five of the National League.
Forward dominance
Martin McElhinney's first-half goal gave Donegal a three point lead at half time
Martin McElhinney's first-half goal gave Donegal a three point lead at half time
Colm Cavanagh's expected return to action for Tyrone was postponed as the All Star midfielder was one of several late changes made by both managers before throw-in.
The two sides have struggled during the opening rounds of the league and took advantage of the change of competition to showcase their attacking threat.
In free flowing start, the teams combined to score a total of 2-8 during the opening 12 minutes.
Donegal had the better of the early exchanges as Declan Bonner's side used their speed of movement to cut through the Tyrone defence with Ciaran Thompson landing the opening score in the first minute.
Tyrone also showed plenty of attacking ambition and took the lead against the run of play when Loughran grabbed the first goal in the seventh minute.
The centre forward got onto Conal McCann's clever pass and kept his composure to side foot his shot under Shaun Patton.
Donegal regained the lead just two minutes later when McElhinney cut through the Tyrone ranks and dinked a clever finish over the on-rushing Mickey O'Neill to score.
Donegal midfielders Odhran MacNiallais and Hugh McFadden were dominating in the centre of the field, which allowed their side to keep the Red Hands at arm's length throughout the first half.
Wing-back Daire O'Baoill scored two points from play and Marty Reilly also converted a free as Donegal moved into a four point lead after half an hour.
Tyrone found some momentum after Kieran McGeary's long-range effort dropped just under the crossbar and Donegal did well to scramble the ball away.
Mickey Harte's men finished the half strongly as a point by Cathal McCarron and a free by Ronan O'Neill meant there was just three between the teams at the break.
Impact substitutes
Hugh McFadden lifts the McKenna Cup for Donegal for the first time since 2010
Hugh McFadden lifts the McKenna Cup for Donegal for the first time since 2010
Tyrone began the second half strongly as McGeary forced a turnover and Declan McClure scored an excellent long-range point.
Niall O'Donnell restored Donegal's three-point lead with the first of three second-half points by the substitute forward.
Harte turned to his bench with the introduction of Matthew Donnelly, Cathal McShane and Peter Harte, while Bonner responded by springing Murphy off the bench in the 41st minute.
O'Neill's free taking was keeping Tyrone in contention and the corner forward briefly drew his side level on 1-10 apiece in the 45th minute after he added three quick scores.
O'Donnell responded with a rapid-fire brace before Murphy showed his class with a superb point that restored Donegal's three-point cushion.
O'Neill and Murphy exchanged further frees before Donnelly was dismissed for a late hit on Thompson that allowed Donegal to clinch the insurance score in injury time.
Tyrone: M O'Neill; A McCrory, C McCarron, B Burns; M Cassidy, R McNabb, K McGeary; P Hampsey, B McDonnell; D McClure, H Loughran, C McCann; D McCurry, R McHugh, R O'Neill.
Replacements: N Morgan, M Donnelly, R Brennan, P Harte, C McAliskey, HP McGeary, C McLaughlin, D Mulgrew, C McShane, C Meyler, N Sludden.
Donegal: S Patton; S McMenamin, C Morrison, F McGlynn; E Doherty, P Brennan, D O'Baoill; O MacNiallais, H McFadden; C Thompson, M McElhinney, M McHugh; C McGonigle, S McBrearty, M Reilly.
Replacements: P Boyle, C McGinley, N O'Donnell, B McCole, N McGee, J McGee, J Brennan, C Ward, M Murphy, D O'Connor.
Mickey Harte hits out at the media after Tyrone's McKenna Cup defeat
https://t.co/3jrPVGB4wh
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
Mickey Harte hits out at the media after Tyrone's McKenna Cup defeat
https://t.co/3jrPVGB4wh
He was easily wound up with what appeared to be a reasonable question.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 18, 2018, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
Mickey Harte hits out at the media after Tyrone's McKenna Cup defeat
https://t.co/3jrPVGB4wh
He was easily wound up with what appeared to be a reasonable question.
I'd imagine it was the frequency of the same question that was the straw that broke the camels back. We'll never go all out attack but we are playing with slightly more adventure, for example, we've been playing with a two man FF line for the majority of games this year and are using the early kick pass into the FF more frequently.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 18, 2018, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
Mickey Harte hits out at the media after Tyrone's McKenna Cup defeat
https://t.co/3jrPVGB4wh
He was easily wound up with what appeared to be a reasonable question.
I think what kills him is he has to know himself how Gavin and the Dubs completely mugged him off.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 18, 2018, 06:39:01 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 18, 2018, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on February 18, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
Mickey Harte hits out at the media after Tyrone's McKenna Cup defeat
https://t.co/3jrPVGB4wh
He was easily wound up with what appeared to be a reasonable question.
I'd imagine it was the frequency of the same question that was the straw that broke the camels back. We'll never go all out attack but we are playing with slightly more adventure, for example, we've been playing with a two man FF line for the majority of games this year and are using the early kick pass into the FF more frequently.
The obvious change this year is in itself an admission that the style last year was flawed. His attempt to argue that Tyrone were playing a similar style to other teams is bizarre. It's like the folk at teamtalk posting pictures of Dublin with all of their men in their own half and suggesting that it was the same as Tyrone. Yes everyone pulls all their players back at times now, but the Tyrone style of the past two years was based on trying to take the extreme Donegal model and making it more defensive. It was a flawed system and there was never any evidence it could beat one of the top teams. Tyrone would have beaten all the sides they won against last summer playing a more open style, and they would almost certainly have been more competitive against Dublin having more of a go too. Their style of play meant they were effectively beaten before 10 minutes were played. Embarrassing stuff for the manager, probably no surprise he is a bit touchy about it.
McKenna Cup
The 2019 Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup launch takes place on Wednesday 5th December at 6.30pm in the Europa Hotel, Great Victoria Street, Belfast, BT2 7AP.
2019 Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup
All Sunday games at 2:00pm; All midweek games at 8:00pm.
30th Dec (Sun): Round 1
6th Jan (Sun): Round 2
9th Jan (Wed): Round 3
13th Jan (Sun): Semi Finals
19th Jan (Sat) Final
N.B. All Fixtures potentially should be considered as floodlit games.
Will Tyrone seek to postpone first match as they are on holiday.
Quote from: Throw ball on December 02, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
Will Tyrone seek to postpone first match as they are on holiday.
I say throw them out of the competition!
Group A
Donegal
Cavan
Down
QUB
Group B
Antrim
Monaghan
Armagh
St Mary's
Group C
Derry
Fermanagh
Tyrone
UU Jordanstown
Dear GAA
Can you please tell me me how Tyrone can play on the 15th when they are not allowed to return to training or fixtures until 1st of Jan? Will the GAA be charged with breaking there own rules! Fairly obvious Tyrone will be back training prior so will they face the same sanctions as Wexford and Armagh
Quote from: the goal was on on December 05, 2018, 08:35:44 PM
Dear GAA
Can you please tell me me how Tyrone can play on the 15th when they are not allowed to return to training or fixtures until 1st of Jan? Will the GAA be charged with breaking there own rules! Fairly obvious Tyrone will be back training prior so will they face the same sanctions as Wexford and Armagh
I'm hearing it's all part of the back stop
Quote from: the goal was on on December 05, 2018, 08:35:44 PM
Dear GAA
Can you please tell me me how Tyrone can play on the 15th when they are not allowed to return to training or fixtures until 1st of Jan? Will the GAA be charged with breaking there own rules! Fairly obvious Tyrone will be back training prior so will they face the same sanctions as Wexford and Armagh
Is the 15th not 2 weeks after the 1st?
Quote from: Itchy on December 05, 2018, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on December 05, 2018, 08:35:44 PM
Dear GAA
Can you please tell me me how Tyrone can play on the 15th when they are not allowed to return to training or fixtures until 1st of Jan? Will the GAA be charged with breaking there own rules! Fairly obvious Tyrone will be back training prior so will they face the same sanctions as Wexford and Armagh
Is the 15th not 2 weeks after the 1st?
15th December
who are they playing on the 15th and where?
On here is the only place I have saw the 15th mentioned. Everywhere else says Tyrone play Fermanagh on Sunday 16th December. Haven't saw an official fixture yet or mention of a venue. You'd think if it's a home game for Tyrone they would have a bit of sense and not play it in Omagh.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on December 06, 2018, 04:16:44 PM
On here is the only place I have saw the 15th mentioned. Everywhere else says Tyrone play Fermanagh on Sunday 16th December. Haven't saw an official fixture yet or mention of a venue. You'd think if it's a home game for Tyrone they would have a bit of sense and not play it in Omagh.
I thought Derry are hosting Tyrone on Sunday 16th Dec
Quote from: JoG2 on December 06, 2018, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on December 06, 2018, 04:16:44 PM
On here is the only place I have saw the 15th mentioned. Everywhere else says Tyrone play Fermanagh on Sunday 16th December. Haven't saw an official fixture yet or mention of a venue. You'd think if it's a home game for Tyrone they would have a bit of sense and not play it in Omagh.
I thought Derry are hosting Tyrone on Sunday 16th Dec
A few papers had said Fermanagh but you are correct. Derry v Tyrone in Owenbeg at 1 on Sunday 16th.
Saturday 15 December
McKenna Cup
Fermanagh v UU, Fermanagh, 1pm
Sunday 16 December
McKenna Cup
Armagh v St Marys, Crossmaglen, 1pm
Derry v Tyrone, Owenbeg, 1pm
Sunday 30 December
McKenna Cup
Cavan v Down, Cavan Venue, 2pm
Donegal v QUB, Páirc Mac Cumhaill, 2pm
Monaghan v Antrim, Clones, 2pm
Sunday 6 January
McKenna Cup
Down v Donegal, Páirc Esler, 2pm
Cavan v QUB, Cavan Venue, 2pm
Monaghan v St Mary's, Clones, 2pm
Antrim v Armagh, Corrigan Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Derry, Brewster Park, 2pm
Tyrone v UU, Healy Park, 2pm
Wednesday 9 January
McKenna Cup
Donegal v Cavan, Páirc MacCumhaill, 8pm
Down v QUB, Páirc Esler, 8pm
Armagh v Monaghan, Athletic Grounds, 8pm
Antrim v St Marys, Woodlands, 8pm
Derry v UU, Owenbeg, 8pm
Tyrone v Fermanagh, Healy Park, 8pm
Sunday 13 January
McKenna Cup semi-finals
Saturday 19/Sunday 20 January
McKenna Cup final
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 07, 2018, 09:06:35 AM
Saturday 15 December
McKenna Cup
Fermanagh v UU, Fermanagh, 1pm
Sunday 16 December
McKenna Cup
Armagh v St Marys, Crossmaglen, 1pm
Derry v Tyrone, Owenbeg, 1pm
Sunday 30 December
McKenna Cup
Cavan v Down, Cavan Venue, 2pm
Donegal v QUB, Páirc Mac Cumhaill, 2pm
Monaghan v Antrim, Clones, 2pm
Sunday 6 January
McKenna Cup
Down v Donegal, Páirc Esler, 2pm
Cavan v QUB, Cavan Venue, 2pm
Monaghan v St Mary's, Clones, 2pm
Antrim v Armagh, Corrigan Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Derry, Brewster Park, 2pm
Tyrone v UU, Healy Park, 2pm
Wednesday 9 January
McKenna Cup
Donegal v Cavan, Páirc MacCumhaill, 8pm
Down v QUB, Páirc Esler, 8pm
Armagh v Monaghan, Athletic Grounds, 8pm
Antrim v St Marys, Woodlands, 8pm
Derry v UU, Owenbeg, 8pm
Tyrone v Fermanagh, Healy Park, 8pm
Sunday 13 January
McKenna Cup semi-finals
Saturday 19/Sunday 20 January
McKenna Cup final
Thursday 20th Dec
Derry v Tyrone, Ballinderry 8pm
Quote from: JoG2 on December 10, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 07, 2018, 09:06:35 AM
Saturday 15 December
McKenna Cup
Fermanagh v UU, Fermanagh, 1pm
Sunday 16 December
McKenna Cup
Armagh v St Marys, Crossmaglen, 1pm
Derry v Tyrone, Owenbeg, 1pm
Sunday 30 December
McKenna Cup
Cavan v Down, Cavan Venue, 2pm
Donegal v QUB, Páirc Mac Cumhaill, 2pm
Monaghan v Antrim, Clones, 2pm
Sunday 6 January
McKenna Cup
Down v Donegal, Páirc Esler, 2pm
Cavan v QUB, Cavan Venue, 2pm
Monaghan v St Mary's, Clones, 2pm
Antrim v Armagh, Corrigan Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Derry, Brewster Park, 2pm
Tyrone v UU, Healy Park, 2pm
Wednesday 9 January
McKenna Cup
Donegal v Cavan, Páirc MacCumhaill, 8pm
Down v QUB, Páirc Esler, 8pm
Armagh v Monaghan, Athletic Grounds, 8pm
Antrim v St Marys, Woodlands, 8pm
Derry v UU, Owenbeg, 8pm
Tyrone v Fermanagh, Healy Park, 8pm
Sunday 13 January
McKenna Cup semi-finals
Saturday 19/Sunday 20 January
McKenna Cup final
Thursday 20th Dec
Derry v Tyrone, Ballinderry 8pm
Is that where all the Tyrone and Derry workers on their Christmas do meet to have their festive punch up?
Saw Celtic Park as well somewhere ?
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 10, 2018, 04:36:33 PM
Saw Celtic Park as well somewhere ?
It's down for Celtic Park for the remainder of the week. Glen maybe next week! ;D
McKenna Cup: Lee Brennan rescues a 1-9 to 0-12 draw for UU against Fermanagh
Fermanagh's Conall Jones scored the only goal of the game
Lee Brennan scored five unanswered points for Ulster University to snatch a draw against Fermanagh in their opening game of the McKenna Cup.
The Tyrone forward led the visitors to an dramatic 1-9 to 0-12 draw.
Conall Jones' goal at the start of the second half had put the Ernesiders six points clear after an impressive first-half scoring display by Darragh McGurn.
Brennan's closing salvo sparked an unlikely UU recovery as Fermanagh faded in the difficult conditions.
Managers express reservations over rule changes
A good platform for the League
In the other game on the opening weekend of the McKenna Cup, Armagh will begin their campaign on Sunday when they host St Mary's at Crossmaglen.
"We've drawn really good opponents and it will give us a good platform for the League," said Armagh's Aidan Forker.
"We're in Division Two this year so it's another step up from where we were last year.
"You can train all you want but the games will help us see what stage we're at"
Donegal, who beat Tyrone last February to win their first McKenna Cup in eight years, will begin their title defence against Queens on 30 December at Ballybofey.
Brennan leads UU recovery
Trillick corner-forward Brennan got the opening score of the game for UU at Derrygonnelly but Rory Gallagher's Fermanagh side dominated the first half.
The powerful McGurn scored five points to give the home side the lead by 0-8 to 0-5 at the break although they had needed a fine save by goalkeeper Thomas Treacy to deny Cormac O'Hagan from scoring an early goal.
Minutes after the restart Jones flicked the ball into the net from Eoin Donnelly's pass and this year's beaten Ulster finalists seemed set to power clear.
But Fermanagh only managed one further point in the closing 28 minutes as Daniel Kerr and Steven Fegan added scores for UU before Brennan's closing fireworks.
Fermanagh: T Treacy; J Cassidy, T Daly, C McManus; K McDonnell, D McCusker, L Cullen; R Lyons, U Kelm; R O'Callaghan, R Jones, T Clarke; D Teague, C Jones, D McGurn.
Ulster University: T McConville; M Magee, M McKernan, S Fegan; D Gallagher, M McEvoy, P Durcan; T O'Brien, P Teague; N Donnelly, C O'Hagan, J Doherty; L Brennan, D Kerr, L Harney.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/46551713
Armagh 5-12 Mary's 0-03 HT
Light wind for Armagh in first half.
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
Took the foot off the pedal in the second half. Not good enough.
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
You'd have to say Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 16, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
You'd have to say Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019.
Won't be far away from Down?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 16, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
You'd have to say Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019.
Well, newry is only down the road. Not that far away. After that, we might be far away depending who we get in Ulster/qualifiers.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 16, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
You'd have to say Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019.
LOL You say this after a McKenna Cup win against St.Marys? Reality is Armagh have yet to win an Ulster C'ship match under McGenney. Appalling record.
Quote from: ck on December 16, 2018, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 16, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
You'd have to say Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019.
LOL You say this after a McKenna Cup win against St.Marys? Reality is Armagh have yet to win an Ulster C'ship match under McGenney. Appalling record.
The words 'cheek' and 'tongue' spring to mind here.
Quote from: ck on December 16, 2018, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on December 16, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: illdecide on December 16, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Armagh 6-17 St Mary's 1-07 FT
You'd have to say Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019.
LOL You say this after a McKenna Cup win against St.Marys? Reality is Armagh have yet to win an Ulster C'ship match under McGenney. Appalling record.
Holy God ck, please note this was a Tyrone poster saying Armagh won't be far away in summer 2019
Some amount of sheep following Monaghan nowadays https://twitter.com/AontroimGAA/status/1079033223450148864
Interesting article from 2013
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877
Tyrone Fermanagh 2 2 HT.
1-5 til 0-5 Armagh Monaghan at half time
Monaghan have scored 1-3 from a penalty and frees
Armagh all Scores from play no frees in the scoring zones
11-10'to Monaghan
9 scores from play for Armagh
2 scores from play for Monaghan
I don't see much difference in the tackling
Good win and performance by Armagh tonight against established Division one outfit. More encouragement for the up coming NFL campaign.
Derry v Tyrone
&
Donegal v Armagh
Double header Omagh or owenbeg?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2019, 10:28:46 PM
Double header Omagh or owenbeg?
Think I read it's 2 neutral venues.
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 09, 2019, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2019, 10:28:46 PM
Double header Omagh or owenbeg?
Think I read it's 2 neutral venues.
Donegal v Armagh in Omagh
Derry v Tyrone in Armagh
Can anyone explain how 2 teams from the same group end up playing each other in the semifinal?
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 10, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
Can anyone explain how 2 teams from the same group end up playing each other in the semifinal?
Karl mckaigue warmed up with Derry but was on the UUJ panel.
This is the McKenna cup, logic goes out the window.
Quote from: seafoid on January 07, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Interesting article from 2013
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877
Forgot about the failing 4 driving tests in a week, thanks for that! Gave me a good laugh.
Hope he declared the 3 grand for switching on Christmas lights to HMRC.
Quote from: the_daddy on January 10, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 10, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
Can anyone explain how 2 teams from the same group end up playing each other in the semifinal?
The draw was made in advance, winner of A v Winner of B and winner of C v Best runner up.
As Gerry Donnelly would say... even the McKenna's would think that was daft.
Was there an official attendance for Ard Mhacha v Muinechain last night?
Is there tables somewhere for how the groups finished?
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2019, 11:04:52 AM
Is there tables somewhere for how the groups finished?
https://billhillwicklow.com/dr-mckenna-cup-2019/
Quote from: Feckitt on January 10, 2019, 10:56:54 AM
Was there an official attendance for Ard Mhacha v Muinechain last night?
3641
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 10, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 10, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 10, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
Can anyone explain how 2 teams from the same group end up playing each other in the semifinal?
The draw was made in advance, winner of A v Winner of B and winner of C v Best runner up.
As Gerry Donnelly would say... even the McKenna's would think that was daft.
Its only the gaa this would happen, no forward thinking
Think the sin bin worked again last night in Armagh. Not sure why Thomas Kerr got his black card (may have blocked off a runner) and Armagh may only have reduced the gap by one in his absence but they did gain momentum and had the game level a few minutes after his return. Kerr was also going well before the sin bin but couldn't get into the game on his return to the field and was subbed a short while later
What does bug me though is how on earth is a neck high challenge not a sin bin. I noted 3 or 4 of these tackles and they were cynical also but I think 2 got yellow and 2 got a talking to. I know this wasn't in the original criteria for a black card but players know it is the best way to get a yellow rather than a sin bin. But it can be dangerous also. Surely a 10 minute binning would be more punishment for this than a yellow??
I agree. The sin bin is a good idea, but it should definitely be a sinbin for a yellow also.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on January 10, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2019, 11:04:52 AM
Is there tables somewhere for how the groups finished?
https://billhillwicklow.com/dr-mckenna-cup-2019/
Cheers, thats a useful website since it seems to be too much effort for the GAA to provide such a service
Quote from: Mountain Gael on January 10, 2019, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 10, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 10, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 10, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
Can anyone explain how 2 teams from the same group end up playing each other in the semifinal?
The draw was made in advance, winner of A v Winner of B and winner of C v Best runner up.
As Gerry Donnelly would say... even the McKenna's would think that was daft.
Its only the gaa this would happen, no forward thinking
Well if there's only 3 groups and 3 winners there has to be a 4th team to make up the semi finals (unless 1 of the 3 winners gets a bye). If Cavan's points difference had been better than Derry's then they would probably be playing Tyrone.
Frank McNally
@FrankmcnallyIT
Man City v Burton Albion (8-0 currently) in danger of outscoring Tyrone v Fermanagh (0-4 to 0-3). The magic of the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 10, 2019, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 07, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Interesting article from 2013
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877
Forgot about the failing 4 driving tests in a week, thanks for that! Gave me a good laugh.
Hope he declared the 3 grand for switching on Christmas lights to HMRC.
3 grand for switching on Xmas lights? Don't believe it !!!
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 10, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 10, 2019, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 07, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Interesting article from 2013
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877
Forgot about the failing 4 driving tests in a week, thanks for that! Gave me a good laugh.
Hope he declared the 3 grand for switching on Christmas lights to HMRC.
3 grand for switching on Xmas lights? Don't believe it !!!
If Eric feckin Pollard from Emmerdale Farm can get 15k for switching on the lights in Ture back in the day, well Mugsy's worth 3k!
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2019, 03:38:43 PM
Frank McNally
@FrankmcnallyIT
Man City v Burton Albion (8-0 currently) in danger of outscoring Tyrone v Fermanagh (0-4 to 0-3). The magic of the McKenna Cup.
Tyrone saving the hammering for Derry....as usual! ;)
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 10, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 10, 2019, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: seafoid on January 07, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Interesting article from 2013
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877
Forgot about the failing 4 driving tests in a week, thanks for that! Gave me a good laugh.
Hope he declared the 3 grand for switching on Christmas lights to HMRC.
3 grand for switching on Xmas lights? Don't believe it !!!
I saw a newspaper clipping from the mid noughties recently and it had a story about a pair of his boots being raffled for charity. I can't remember the exact figure but it was tens of thousands anyway. Such was the madness of the celtic tiger at its peak!
I remember those raffles too of the naughties. Left the raffle until the end of the night when the drink was in. There were a lot f men woke up the next morning with a bill waiting for them. I know of a few where they told the club the next morning they had changed their mind.
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 12, 2019, 02:32:31 PM
I remember those raffles too of the naughties. Left the raffle until the end of the night when the drink was in. There were a lot f men woke up the next morning with a bill waiting for them. I know of a few where they told the club the next morning they had changed their mind.
Yes seen that myself. The auction thing was all about some wankers flashing their wealth, 'look at how much money I've got' types.
Interesting Armagh team named to start, should be a good test against the defending McKenna cup champions.
Blanine Hughes
Connaire Mackin Ryan Kennedy James Morgan
Mark Shields Brendan Donaghy Aidan Forker
Stephen Sheridan Niall Grimley
Jemar HallRory Grugan Ryan McShane
Stefan Campbell Rian O'Neill Jamie Clarke
Armagh 0-14
Donegal 1-10
Great win for Armagh, can't get carried away as it's only McKenna cup but still another step in the right direction. Donegal certainly had a few more players missing than Armagh but still a great win all the same
Tyrone will meet Armagh in the McKenna Cup Final after a hard-fought three-point win over Derry.
Derry 1-08 Tyrone 0-14
Quote from: illdecide on January 13, 2019, 03:59:02 PM
Armagh 0-14
Donegal 1-10
Great win for Armagh, can't get carried away as it's only McKenna cup but still another step in the right direction. Donegal certainly had a few more players missing than Armagh but still a great win all the same
Backed up the good win against Monaghan by dethroning Donegal today. Last few games and the final is all good preparation for the NFL which Armagh need to hit the ground running in.
We played well. Granted it was far from a full strength Donegal side but we moved the ball well for the most part. Defended quite well and took some very good scores
The final should bring out a sizeable crowd ... either Athletic Grounds or Healy Park depending on who wins the toss. Is it Saturday night or Sunday?
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2019, 11:37:26 PM
The final should bring out a sizeable crowd ... either Athletic Grounds or Healy Park depending on who wins the toss. Is it Saturday night or Sunday?
Saturday night and on TG4.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 13, 2019, 11:37:26 PM
The final should bring out a sizeable crowd ... either Athletic Grounds or Healy Park depending on who wins the toss. Is it Saturday night or Sunday?
Athletic Grounds it is then.
Get wired into the hoors!
Im working across the water Saturday night, can you watch TG4 online?
Was at the tyrone game on Sunday, some very baffling decisions from the ref. Dont think i like the forward mark. Should be a good game.
I know this sound measly but isnt charging u-16s 2 quid just taking the piss at this stage
Just noticed on the Derry goal, all the Tyrone defenders stopped when the ref blew the whistle for the catch by the forward. Forward plays on, quick pass and back of the net. Moral of the story now is NOT to play to the refs whistle and floor the forward when he catches the ball.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 14, 2019, 08:28:14 PM
Was at the tyrone game on Sunday, some very baffling decisions from the ref. Dont think i like the forward mark. Should be a good game.
I know this sound measly but isnt charging u-16s 2 quid just taking the piss at this stage
Hadnt even noticed that this was the case. Another joke from the Ulster Council. Charging kids in to watch the McKenna cup fs. Couldnt care less if it's a final or not.
Quote from: pbat on January 14, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
Im working across the water Saturday night, can you watch TG4 online?
The app on your phone/tablet is a good job. Can watch Live on it
Quote from: pbat on January 14, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
Im working across the water Saturday night, can you watch TG4 online?
BBC showing it online.
Expect Armagh to go hammer and tongs to win this one while Tyrone will give the cubs a run out. An Armagh win will have everyone thinking that McGeeny's tactics are finally working only to be followed by a mediocre League campaign and first round exit to Down in Ulster.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 17, 2019, 11:10:20 AM
Expect Armagh to go hammer and tongs to win this one while Tyrone will give the cubs a run out. An Armagh win will have everyone thinking that McGeeny's tactics are finally working only to be followed by a mediocre League campaign and first round exit to Down in Ulster.
Won't be any cubs sir
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2019/01/17/news/sigerson-cup-games-must-move-back-to-mid-week-as-tyrone-lose-seven-players-for-mckenna-cup-final-mickey-harte-1529748/
All joking aside, what constitutes a good season for Armagh this year? A decent string of results in the league? An ulster final appearance? Super 8 appearance?
And vice versa what do the Tyrone fans think is a good year for them? All Ireland potentially after last year?
Top half of the league and Super 8s
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 17, 2019, 11:28:29 AM
All joking aside, what constitutes a good season for Armagh this year? A decent string of results in the league? An ulster final appearance? Super 8 appearance?
And vice versa what do the Tyrone fans think is a good year for them? All Ireland potentially after last year?
Exiting the championship to anyone other than Dublin would constitute a disappointing year for Tyrone IMO. And if we faced Dublin in the semi-final or final I would expect a closer game than last years final.
I would also like to see us challenging for a League final for the first time in a few years. I think we will definitely be targeting the Dublin game as the more games we play without beating them it becomes more of a monkey on our backs come championship time.
Beating Kerry,Mayo or the Dubs in the summer would mark a good year for me.
We did well to beat Donegal in their home patch last year but we just about beat Monaghan in the semi.
Kerry and Mayo would still consider themselves better than Tyrone until we beat them in a significant game. It's almost 11 years now since we beat any of the top 3 in championship.
Saying that we seem to have a lot more exciting forwards to pick from this year and that's not even including Daragh the Great.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 17, 2019, 11:28:29 AM
All joking aside, what constitutes a good season for Armagh this year? A decent string of results in the league? An ulster final appearance? Super 8 appearance?
And vice versa what do the Tyrone fans think is a good year for them? All Ireland potentially after last year?
I think this is the strongest panel Armagh have had since the glory years - especially among the forwards.
I would expect them to beat Down and Cavan, but not Monaghan. Definitely a big scalp in them.
For Tyrone a good year would be more adventurous football, an AISF appearance and beating either Kerry or Dublin.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 17, 2019, 12:58:26 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 17, 2019, 11:28:29 AM
All joking aside, what constitutes a good season for Armagh this year? A decent string of results in the league? An ulster final appearance? Super 8 appearance?
And vice versa what do the Tyrone fans think is a good year for them? All Ireland potentially after last year?
I think this is the strongest panel Armagh have had since the glory years - especially among the forwards.
I would expect them to beat Down and Cavan, but not Monaghan. Definitely a big scalp in them.
For Tyrone a good year would be more adventurous football, an AISF appearance and beating either Kerry or Dublin.
I'd be super confident of Armagh wining the McKenna final this weekend
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 17, 2019, 11:28:29 AM
All joking aside, what constitutes a good season for Armagh this year? A decent string of results in the league? An ulster final appearance? Super 8 appearance?
Trophies are what it's all about. Realistically, we're not going to win the AI. So, I'd like a Div 2 title and an Ulster title.
A couple of wins in the qualifiers won't be seen as progress. Only a super 8 appearance will be seen as a sort of progress. Anything less, and we're going backwards.
The run in the McKenna cup has only shown that Armagh have a better squad depth of talent this year and that's something that we all could have easily said a few months ago anyway. Whether or not the improved squad will drive them on to have an improved 15 is yet to be seen.
I'd be happy to perform well in the league and remain in Div2. Beat Down and make the super 8s (and not be beat out the gate while in it). Non of that is an easy ask for this squad but I'd be optimistic.
Armagh 2/1 on Saturday night, have to be worth a punt!
Quote from: Targetman on January 17, 2019, 06:41:03 PM
Armagh 2/1 on Saturday night, have to be worth a punt!
Definitely
Tyrone have been in every final this decade so they are fair favorites.
Granted Armagh have had a tougher route to the this year's decider and have home advantage, but Tyrone's McKenna Cup record is so strong.
Tyrone Team
1 Niall Morgan
2 Ciaran McLaughlin
3 Ronan McNamee
4 Liam Rafferty
5 Tiernan McCann
6 Aidan McCrory
7 Michael Cassidy
8 Conan Grugan
9 Declan McClure
10 Niall Sludden
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Conal McCann
13 Darren McCurry
14 Peter Harte ( C )
15 cathal mc Shane
I wonder will we see Petey at FF much later in the year?
Is Richie Donnelly out injured or just not featuring this year?
Do people think Coney has done enough to make the league squad or even starting team?
I'm looking forward to seeing them on Sat night especially Rafferty who I heard played very well for St Marys.
Did he do well in the U20s last year?
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 18, 2019, 11:48:42 AM
I wonder will we see Petey at FF much later in the year?
Is Richie Donnelly out injured or just not featuring this year?
Do people think Coney has done enough to make the league squad or even starting team?
I'm looking forward to seeing them on Sat night especially Rafferty who I heard played very well for St Marys.
Did he do well in the U20s last year?
I think Richie is on the bench tomorrow night.
Ronan ONeill is getting plenty of chances to stake his place...hopefully he steps up..McRrory seems to be having a renaissance too...
Quote from: naka on January 18, 2019, 11:12:46 AM
Tyrone Team
1 Niall Morgan
2 Ciaran McLaughlin
3 Ronan McNamee
4 Liam Rafferty
5 Tiernan McCann
6 Aidan McCrory
7 Michael Cassidy
8 Conan Grugan
9 Declan McClure
10 Niall Sludden
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Conal McCann
13 Darren McCurry
14 Peter Harte ( C )
15 cathal mc Shane
Will be seeds of doubts planted into the Tyrone minds before the NFL if they don't win on Saturday night by a bit to spare with that strong and experienced team.
15 mins gone decent contest so far. Tyrone 0-2 Armagh 0-4
Yep, good game.
Armagh N7 isn't Adian Forker, dont recognise that fella? Armagh keepers kick outs pure dung.
11,318 in attendance, big crowd.
Serious attendance :o
No 7, Greg McCabe. Dublin Joe up to his usual tricks.
some serious haircuts
What's the score now.. I am half way up a mountain and I need some encouragement. If Armagh are going to do anything this year. They need to develop the good habit of winning 😜
Some of them frees to Tyrone are a joke, joe take a red neck u clown
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
Armagh getting their share of them too.
So far Tyrone are the better team, I'm not disputing that but Tyrone are getting their frees a lot easier with yellow cards to Armagh players
What's the score please
Quote from: illdecide on January 19, 2019, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
Armagh getting their share of them too.
So far Tyrone are the better team, I'm not disputing that but Tyrone are getting their frees a lot easier with yellow cards to Armagh players
Tyrone have a better support strategy on both ends of the field. Armagh looked confused in the first half and are now getting their plays on offense together.
14 - 12 to Tyrone
14 - 13
Why was the penalty given?
Never seen as many fouling machines on one pitch.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 19, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
Why was the penalty given?
Apparently touched the ball in the ground, thought it hopped into his hands tbh. Some block by McCann before it
Final score?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 19, 2019, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 19, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
Why was the penalty given?
Apparently touched the ball in the ground, thought it hopped into his hands tbh. Some block by McCann before it
The ball was handled on the ground, clear penalty.
16 - 14 to Tyrone, game over
Very good match for McKenna cup even if McQuillan was infuriating as usual.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2019, 09:13:25 PM
Very good match for McKenna cup even if McQuillan was infuriating as usual.
Good hardy contest indeed. McQuillan is impossible to read
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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 19, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
Why was the penalty given?
Felt sorry for us ::)
Possibly, but too close for that.
McNamee suspension should be doubled.
McNamee definitely the aggressor after the reds were handed out.
What was he at? Very foolish...
Think Tyrone just about deserved it, not a bad game. Def good preparation for the league but would have been nice for Tyrone to lend us their cup for a year
Coney kicked a few lovely passes when he came on. A change from most giving the easy options of a hand pass.
A game that Armagh could have won. The penalty miss and two sent off proved crucial. Joe Mcquillan the opposite of a fine wine, he's getting worse with age.
Tyrone a bit more physically advanced than Armagh but probably deserved the win but it was a very encouraging display from Armagh and good preparation for an even more physical Kildare side next week.
Armagh diving is embarrassing, Neymaresque. Obviously they've been coached to go down and roll around. Tyrone's 2nd / 3rd string had plenty in the tank. Another routine victory.
Every score and scorer in the McKenna Cup this year, great to see Stefan Campbell back for Armagh and he topped the leader board after tonight's two points just pipped Lee Brennan & Michael Langan: https://billhillwicklow.com/list/dr-mckenna-cup-2019-top-scorers-table-www-billhillwicklow-com/
McNamee trashy as ever!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 19, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
McNamee trashy as ever!
Wannabe hardman simply playing to the gallery but he usually gets found out on the wide open spaces of Croke Park when it matters.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 19, 2019, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 19, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
McNamee trashy as ever!
Wannabe hardman simply playing to the gallery but he usually gets found out on the wide open spaces of Croke Park when it matters.
100!
Good to see Tyrone giving a few boys a run out. Armagh seemed to be at full strength and tried every trick in the book.
Good to see Armagh giving a few boys a run out. Tyrone seemed to be at full strength and tried every trick in the book.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 19, 2019, 09:59:42 PM
Good to see Tyrone giving a few boys a run out. Armagh seemed to be at full strength and tried every trick in the book.
Easy you... ;)
Tyrone brought on Donnelly and Meyler to see the game out and I always felt as though Tyrone were the more likely winners, if Armagh had scored the penalty they would have stole it. Armagh badly need a more dynamic half back line. Grimley was excellent at midfield and O'Neill, Grugan, Campbell and Clarke would get onto almost any county team. Whilst O'Neill needs to learn to release the ball quicker at this level, I think he is well capable of adjusting.
Thon Armagh boys still can't tackle.
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2019, 09:24:49 PM
Armagh diving is embarrassing, Neymaresque. Obviously they've been coached to go down and roll around. Tyrone's 2nd / 3rd string had plenty in the tank. Another routine victory.
Someone clearly wasn't at the game or even watching
An enjoyable game,
Hopefully Armagh continue to develop because Ulster football needs this rivalry .
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 19, 2019, 10:40:58 PM
Thon Armagh boys still can't tackle.
Believe it or not our tackling is a lot better than it has been
Quote from: naka on January 19, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
An enjoyable game,
Hopefully Armagh continue to develop because Ulster football needs this rivalry .
It's only a rivalry if Tyrone continue to field a 2nd / 3rd string, which is unlikely.
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
Quote from: naka on January 19, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
An enjoyable game,
Hopefully Armagh continue to develop because Ulster football needs this rivalry .
It's only a rivalry if Tyrone continue to field a 2nd / 3rd string, which is unlikely.
I'm sure the likes of Harte, Morgan, McNamee, Sludden McCann are all happy you view them as second or third string
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
Quote from: naka on January 19, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
An enjoyable game,
Hopefully Armagh continue to develop because Ulster football needs this rivalry .
It's only a rivalry if Tyrone continue to field a 2nd / 3rd string, which is unlikely.
Trailer
You are Becoming tiresome
For years Armagh fans took the Mickey out of Tyrone taking the competition seriously.
Tonight Armagh fans around me were the most vulgar foul mouthed cry baby yaps I have ever seen. From encouraging James Morgan to kick Canavan in the head harder to calling Joe McQuillan every name under the sun.
Never knew they wanted to win the McKenna cup so bad.
Glad to see Armagh on the rise. If they just learnt how to tackle properly they might fare ok in division two.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on January 19, 2019, 11:15:30 PM
For years Armagh fans took the Mickey out of Tyrone taking the competition seriously.
Tonight Armagh fans around me were the most vulgar foul mouthed cry baby yaps I have ever seen. From encouraging James Morgan to kick Canavan in the head harder to calling Joe McQuillan every name under the sun.
Never knew they wanted to win the McKenna cup so bad.
Glad to see Armagh on the rise. If they just learnt how to tackle properly they might fare ok in division two.
A few Tyrone fans around me doing similar. We all have them
My first post of the current season and I have to say that Armagh have improved. The obvious reasons for this are that a few of our better players have returned to the panel and a few more have come of age.
Shooting and tackling still remain big concerns. Coolness under pressure in each of these areas remains a concern. These have to be the areas of focus in training if we are to be properly prepared for championship.
Our strengths are in the forwards so continued focus on an attacking game plan should be encouraged
Ye've been in Round 4 and Qtr Finals last 2 years ......
An enjoyable game tonight and a pity about some of the silly carry on. Armagh need to improve their tackling that is obvious but some of the frees given tonight - for both teams - were soft. Tyrone also showed much more composure in possession.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 20, 2019, 12:31:04 AM
An enjoyable game tonight and a pity about some of the silly carry on. Armagh need to improve their tackling that is obvious but some of the frees given tonight - for both teams - were soft. Tyrone also showed much more composure in possession.
I thought the ref was poor in general to be honest. Tyrone got some soft ones but st the same time they didn't get a couple i would have been annoyed about had we not got them
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
It's only a rivalry if Tyrone continue to field a 2nd / 3rd string, which is unlikely.
Trailer, is your first name Coat?
Armagh not too far away, but they still have tackling issues and still run of ideas when confronted by a blanket.
Such games against god opposition are a good learning experience for O'Neill.
What a crowd tonight. Watched Armagh a few times last year and they have a massive following. Not much between the two teams probably Tyrones experience was the difference. Nice to see the National Anthem being well respected. Thought there was a good bit of "bite" in the game a sure sign of things to come. Man of the match for me was the Armagh mid fielder Grimley. One particular time in the second half he jumped away up into the clouds to fetch a ball, he was that high when he finally came back down and hit the ground he winded himself. It was a fantastic piece of skill but it's a pity they didn't show it on the replay.
Armagh and Tyrone have a few good scrap yard dogs in their defences. I actually thought Tyrone got a couple of buttery soft frees towards the end of the first half. I don't think Peter Harte is suited at full forward he excels in the space. Sludden had a brave good game for Tyrone tonight over all both sets of players contributed a lot. The pitch looked very cut up where Armagh took their penalty which I suppose you could expect this time of the year. Over all it was great entertaining game.
Interesting overhearing a couple of neutrals in Armagh last night, the McKenna Cup is now as prestigious as the Ulster Championship itself.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on January 20, 2019, 04:28:24 AM
What a crowd tonight. Watched Armagh a few times last year and they have a massive following. Not much between the two teams probably Tyrones experience was the difference. Nice to see the National Anthem being well respected. Thought there was a good bit of "bite" in the game a sure sign of things to come. Man of the match for me was the Armagh mid fielder Grimley. One particular time in the second half he jumped away up into the clouds to fetch a ball, he was that high when he finally came back down and hit the ground he winded himself. It was a fantastic piece of skill but it's a pity they didn't show it on the replay.
Armagh and Tyrone have a few good scrap yard dogs in their defences. I actually thought Tyrone got a couple of buttery soft frees towards the end of the first half. I don't think Peter Harte is suited at full forward he excels in the space. Sludden had a brave good game for Tyrone tonight over all both sets of players contributed a lot. The pitch looked very cut up where Armagh took their penalty which I suppose you could expect this time of the year. Over all it was great entertaining game.
It usually takes O'Rourke, Spillane or Brolly to start drooling over a high catch especially if it's performed against Tyrone 😂
As I've said before - Armagh now have their best panel since the glory days and if McGeeney fails to get somehting out of them this year you would have to question the wisdom of renewing his contract. Thier front 6 is right up there with Kerry/ Tyrone / Monaghan / Mayo (just maybe not Dublin)
Tackling is thier major downfall. Far too many fouls given away with poor technique and playing the man not the ball.
That and acting the hard men when thery don't need to.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 20, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
As I've said before - Armagh now have their best panel since the glory days and if McGeeney fails to get somehting out of them this year you would have to question the wisdom of renewing his contract. Thier front 6 is right up there with Kerry/ Tyrone / Monaghan / Mayo (just maybe not Dublin)
Tackling is thier major downfall. Far too many fouls given away with poor technique and playing the man not the ball.
That and acting the hard men when thery don't need to.
Pot kettle with that current Tyrone side.
Quote from: tyroneman on January 20, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
As I've said before - Armagh now have their best panel since the glory days and if McGeeney fails to get somehting out of them this year you would have to question the wisdom of renewing his contract. Thier front 6 is right up there with Kerry/ Tyrone / Monaghan / Mayo (just maybe not Dublin)
Tackling is thier major downfall. Far too many fouls given away with poor technique and playing the man not the ball.
That and acting the hard men when thery don't need to.
A big problem with the tackling is that referees in Armagh let a lot more go. It is not so much they are acting the hard man more they are doing what they are used to. Anyone at an Armagh club championship game can see that.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 20, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 20, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
As I've said before - Armagh now have their best panel since the glory days and if McGeeney fails to get somehting out of them this year you would have to question the wisdom of renewing his contract. Thier front 6 is right up there with Kerry/ Tyrone / Monaghan / Mayo (just maybe not Dublin)
Tackling is thier major downfall. Far too many fouls given away with poor technique and playing the man not the ball.
That and acting the hard men when thery don't need to.
A big problem with the tackling is that referees in Armagh let a lot more go. It is not so much they are acting the hard man more they are doing what they are used to. Anyone at an Armagh club championship game can see that.
<facepalm>
Quote from: armaghniac on January 20, 2019, 01:14:28 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
It's only a rivalry if Tyrone continue to field a 2nd / 3rd string, which is unlikely.
Trailer, is your first name Coat?
No, but I'd say his second name is Trash.
Armagh have improved alright but it wouldn't have been hard to improve as we've been poor enough over the last 5 years or so, from the forward line last night we have Murnin, E rafferty, O'Neill to force their way in. For defence P Hughes and A Forker to come in (remind me who else is missing), our defence is going to let us down. I know a few Tyrone wans are winding us up but they're right, we do give far too many fouls away and TBH there was at least 2-3 times in that game last night where our defenders high tackled a Tyrone player when there was no need to even touch them as they were going out of play...Criminal.
I do believe Tyrone are still a few steps ahead of us and IMHO if the ground was firmer Tyrone are 5-6 pts a better team, they have a few better athletic runners than us but we are making strides and closing the gap ever so slightly and who knows where we'll be come start of August (hopefully the Super 8's). All in all not a bad match and both managers will be pleased for a match like that this time of the year which will serve both teams well for the coming weeks.
For something different...someone mentioned about taking the McKenna cup serious...I remember teams using the league and more often than not the last 2-3 matches of it for getting ready for the Championship, the way it's going we're using the McKenna cup to get ready for the league and maybe in a few years we'll have something else to prepare us for the McKenna cup :P
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 03:44:49 PM
Armagh have improved alright but it wouldn't have been hard to improve as we've been poor enough over the last 5 years or so, from the forward line last night we have Murnin, E rafferty, O'Neill to force their way in. For defence P Hughes and A Forker to come in (remind me who else is missing), our defence is going to let us down. I know a few Tyrone wans are winding us up but they're right, we do give far too many fouls away and TBH there was at least 2-3 times in that game last night where our defenders high tackled a Tyrone player when there was no need to even touch them as they were going out of play...Criminal.
I do believe Tyrone are still a few steps ahead of us and IMHO if the ground was firmer Tyrone are 5-6 pts a better team, they have a few better athletic runners than us but we are making strides and closing the gap ever so slightly and who knows where we'll be come start of August (hopefully the Super 8's). All in all not a bad match and both managers will be pleased for a match like that this time of the year which will serve both teams well for the coming weeks.
For something different...someone mentioned about taking the McKenna cup serious...I remember teams using the league and more often than not the last 2-3 matches of it for getting ready for the Championship, the way it's going we're using the McKenna cup to get ready for the league and maybe in a few years we'll have something else to prepare us for the McKenna cup :P
Burns is the only other one I can think of to come back. Is he injured?
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 03:44:49 PM
Armagh have improved alright but it wouldn't have been hard to improve as we've been poor enough over the last 5 years or so, from the forward line last night we have Murnin, E rafferty, O'Neill to force their way in. For defence P Hughes and A Forker to come in (remind me who else is missing), our defence is going to let us down. I know a few Tyrone wans are winding us up but they're right, we do give far too many fouls away and TBH there was at least 2-3 times in that game last night where our defenders high tackled a Tyrone player when there was no need to even touch them as they were going out of play...Criminal.
I do believe Tyrone are still a few steps ahead of us and IMHO if the ground was firmer Tyrone are 5-6 pts a better team, they have a few better athletic runners than us but we are making strides and closing the gap ever so slightly and who knows where we'll be come start of August (hopefully the Super 8's). All in all not a bad match and both managers will be pleased for a match like that this time of the year which will serve both teams well for the coming weeks.
For something different...someone mentioned about taking the McKenna cup serious...I remember teams using the league and more often than not the last 2-3 matches of it for getting ready for the Championship, the way it's going we're using the McKenna cup to get ready for the league and maybe in a few years we'll have something else to prepare us for the McKenna cup :P
A big year awaits for Armagh in Div 2. If they can give that a good rattle and I expect they will, then a Super 8's appearance is a realistic target. 7 big games coming up.
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 20, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 20, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
As I've said before - Armagh now have their best panel since the glory days and if McGeeney fails to get somehting out of them this year you would have to question the wisdom of renewing his contract. Thier front 6 is right up there with Kerry/ Tyrone / Monaghan / Mayo (just maybe not Dublin)
Tackling is thier major downfall. Far too many fouls given away with poor technique and playing the man not the ball.
That and acting the hard men when thery don't need to.
A big problem with the tackling is that referees in Armagh let a lot more go. It is not so much they are acting the hard man more they are doing what they are used to. Anyone at an Armagh club championship game can see that.
<facepalm>
Throwball is 100% right. If Kevin Faloon was refereeing that game last night there would hardly have been a free given! A review of refereeing in Armagh is badly needed.
Just watched the TG4 coverage. What team sheet did they have?
McGeeney didn't look too unhappy at the end. He has got what he wanted from the competition
Tyrone looked to have got a few scores (3 to my mind) from dubious frees but the big issue remains our tackling. Our reaction to a free being given against us probably doesn't endear us to the ref. I noticed McGeary laughing and joking with the ref after his yellow card. Later he somehow escapes a 2nd yellow. A lesson there??
Morgan might well been unlucky in getting the second card but he lives on the edge. James needs to tighten up and Geezer needs to luck at some of the needless cards we get and subbing off those carrying the cards.
Kick out remain an issue. Hard to tell what the issue is but the area needs work.
Hopefully we get a few more back for the start of the league. Burns at the back and Murnin would add a lot to that team
What about Jarleth Og? was he not playing a few games earlier in the competition and what about young McQuillan (Martin's son from St Pats)
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
What about Jarleth Og? was he not playing a few games earlier in the competition and what about young McQuillan (Martin's son from St Pats)
He came on as a sub the last two games. Has been playing Sigerson.
McQuillan cane on did he not?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2019, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
What about Jarleth Og? was he not playing a few games earlier in the competition and what about young McQuillan (Martin's son from St Pats)
He came on as a sub the last two games. Has been playing Sigerson.
McQuillan cane on did he not?
TBH i've lost track of these young lads (that's how you know you're getting old)
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Quote from: tonto1888 on January 21, 2019, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
What about Jarleth Og? was he not playing a few games earlier in the competition and what about young McQuillan (Martin's son from St Pats)
He came on as a sub the last two games. Has been playing Sigerson.
McQuillan cane on did he not?
TBH i've lost track of these young lads (that's how you know you're getting old)
Haha. The number 22 came on. He was listed as McKenna but I'm sure it was McQuillan
22 was Jason Duffy who was listed as McKenna as far as I remember. Ross was the no 24 who came on but he was listed as Aidan Nugent!!! The programme people had a stinker on Saturday evening.
Quote from: mackers on January 21, 2019, 10:22:59 AM
22 was Jason Duffy who was listed as McKenna as far as I remember. Ross was the no 24 who came on but he was listed as Aidan Nugent!!! The programme people had a stinker on Saturday evening.
Aye and the Aidan Forker confusion too :)
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
What about Jarleth Og? was he not playing a few games earlier in the competition and what about young McQuillan (Martin's son from St Pats)
Is Andrew Murnin back for the league? Probably better to put him in at full forward, Clarke and O'Neill on either side and Soupy at centre half forward
Quote from: mackers on January 21, 2019, 10:22:59 AM
22 was Jason Duffy who was listed as McKenna as far as I remember. Ross was the no 24 who came on but he was listed as Aidan Nugent!!! The programme people had a stinker on Saturday evening.
They probably just used an old team sheet
TG4 reported that Aidan Forker was booked. And him sitting on the bench the whole match! :D
Forker could still manage to get booked even if he was on the bench!!
Quote from: Orior on January 21, 2019, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 20, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
What about Jarleth Og? was he not playing a few games earlier in the competition and what about young McQuillan (Martin's son from St Pats)
Is Andrew Murnin back for the league? Probably better to put him in at full forward, Clarke and O'Neill on either side and Soupy at centre half forward
Having the 4 of them available is a significant addition.
The rule changes favour playing 3 inside forward across the pitch. Movement will be key so rotation likely to be deployed to keep things fresh. A good eight footer down the left flank and vice versa could trigger lots of scores if the right ball is put in. All 3 men can't be double marked without conceding the middle
I was very impressed with Armagh especially in the first half? They moved the ball very fast and were very direct and at 4-1 down I thought Tyrone looked like they would struggle to get scores. Armagh were winning everything around the middle and you could see they were really up for it and were hitting hard any time a Tyrone man won the ball. It was almost championship intensity at times but as many have said they still tend to go OTT with their tackling and gave away silly frees which McCurry was doing well with most of them.
Speaking of DmC, I thought he looked very focused and hungry to impress and looked back to his best. He knows now he has a lot of doubters that he's a bottler and competition this year for a starting place will be much more intense than even last year.
Sludden again showed what he is capable of as he burst through for his first point that seemed to lift everyone.
Ronan struggled again and whilst we all know he has great accuracy for a pass and shot he just lacks that bit of pace to get away from a man or not get out in front.
McShane has really pushed on and is one of Mickey's favourites and I thought he played well on Sat night as well.
He seems to be taking the right choices a bit more now and not so headless chicken shooting.
I have yet to see Kennedy but I thought Grugan looked good on Sat night and is certainly in the running for a MF role. We are no longer a small team with lads like them around and Coney looks likely to make 11 his for the league as he can see a pass and deliver it with great accuracy but can hold a man off unlike RoN.
Morgan looks like he is in great form both with his "restarts" and his ability to take it short and get it back and run up the field until a man becomes free to take a SENSIBLE pass. However, we all know this only has to go wrong once for it to end up in the net for a soft goal.
Was surprised to see Mickey through young Canavan into the fray in such a physical game but he did OK considering the robust nature of the tackling. With him, Brennan, McCurry, Skeet, Mulgrew, Mattie, Sludden and McShane you would have to say we have a decent set of scoring forwards there now with S.O'Neill coaching them too. You also have Richie Donnelly, McGeary, Meyler and maybe Bradley coming back later in the summer perhaps so that's a lot of lads at similar levels all pushing for a place.
All and all I was glad I went up to see them in the flesh and will look forward to a trip to Killarney this weekend.
Is McNamee out of that one or when is the suspension for?
Cant wait for Killarney and Saturday nights game will set us up rightly for it. It probably wont be as intense in fact.
Clifford didnt play for Tralee so assume he will be ready for the weekend.
Armagh have improved from last season but their defence and midfield (after a good first 10mins) look vulnerable. i would have no fear meeting them with a hard sod.
Clarke up front is a joy to watch and he gave us trouble each time he got the ball.
DMC looks sharp and Coney showed some flashes of brilliance especially his pass for a mark late in the game.
Morgan was excellent the other night but as someone says he could as easily make a balls up. His distribution was second to none and if he keeps the head he will surpass Beggan and Cluxton soon.
BTW he penalty at the end. The player didnt even look confident taking it and I said this to the fella beside me before it was hit - just looked nervous.
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Thon Armagh boys still can't tackle.
Believe it or not our tackling is a lot better than it has been
I think tackling and discipline are going to continue to be an issue until McGeeney departs.
The free count was 17-5 in Tyrone's favour.
I would expect this to be the most likely stumbling block if Armagh don't get promotion.
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 21, 2019, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 19, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 19, 2019, 10:40:58 PM
Thon Armagh boys still can't tackle.
Believe it or not our tackling is a lot better than it has been
I think tackling and discipline are going to continue to be an issue until McGeeney departs.
The free count was 17-5 in Tyrone's favour.
I would expect this to be the most likely stumbling block if Armagh don't get promotion.
Where are those stats from? I would be sure they aren't correct. We did concede a lot of frees but I am pretty certain we got more than that
Think 17-5 were first half stats
Ulster GAA have confirmed that the 2020 Bank of Ireland Dr. McKenna Cup Competition will be played without the third level Institutions and will commence on December 29th. A domino effect that has seen County u20s competitions and Sigerson Cup competition being completed earlier left a choice between starting the McKenna cup in mid-December with the third-level colleges or going after Christmas without them.
The group stages will now see games on the 29th of December, January 4th/5th and January 8th with semi-finals on January 12th and the final on the weekend of January 18th/19th. Commenting on the decision Ulster GAA Secretary Brian McAvoy said:
"Two scenarios were put to committee members – the one which was adopted and another which would have meant all three group rounds of the Bank of Ireland Dr. McKenna Cup played in December. There was little appetite from counties to start the competition pre-Christmas, a scenario which would have meant at least five counties having no organized pre-season games in the month of January."
"With the Sigerson Cup now being run-off in the month of January it's unlikely now that our university teams will be able to participate in the 2020 competition. Ulster GAA has always valued greatly the participation of Queen's University, Ulster University and St. Mary's University College in the Bank of Ireland Dr. McKenna Cup and we continued to offer them the opportunity to play in our pre-season football competition, even when other provinces did not.
"They have added to the competition over the years and we owe them a large debt of gratitude for this. It will be disappointing that they are unlikely to be in the 2020 competition – but totally understandable. I wish them well in their Sigerson Cup preparations and hope that the famed trophy can return to Ulster next year."
The draws for the 2020 Dr McKenna Cup have been made tonight at Riddel Hall, Belfast.
Holders Tyrone are set to open against Armagh at the end of the month after being drawn into Group C, with Mickey Graham's Cavan side also part of what looks the toughest section of the draw.
Ulster champions Donegal are with Monaghan and Derry in Group A while Antrim, Down and Fermanagh have been drawn into Group C, with only nine sides partaking in the competition as college teams are not included this year.
The first round of games are scheduled for Sunday, December 29th.
2020 Dr McKenna Cup draw:
Group A: Monaghan, Donegal, Derry
Group B: Antrim, Down, Fermanagh
Group C: Armagh, Tyrone, Cavan
*Semi-final one - Section C winner v Section B winner
*Semi-final two - Section A winner v Best runner up
It's actually f**king mental that this competition still takes place.
Quote from: trailer on December 06, 2019, 01:05:16 PM
It's actually f**king mental that this competition still takes place.
You say that but wait till you see the attendances for a 'nothing' competition.
It is astounding how many people come out to watch it
It's Tyrone and Armagh that really care about the competition. Tyrone in particular.
Gives counties two or three competitive outings before the league, and a few hundred grand to Ulster Council to keep the steak dinners going for another twelve months.
21 games this year with average crowd of 1500 at £5. Handy enough £150k. Maybe more.
Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
Gives counties two or three competitive outings before the league, and a few hundred grand to Ulster Council to keep the steak dinners going for another twelve months.
21 games this year with average crowd of 1500 at £5. Handy enough £150k. Maybe more.
21 games in the McKenna cup?
Are these games ran for free? Surely there are costs too?
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 06, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
It's Tyrone and Armagh that really care about the competition. Tyrone in particular.
Without checking I think it is over 25 years since Armagh won the McKenna Cup. Don't think they take it too serious at all. Now playing Tyrone in anything is a different matter.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 06, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
Gives counties two or three competitive outings before the league, and a few hundred grand to Ulster Council to keep the steak dinners going for another twelve months.
21 games this year with average crowd of 1500 at £5. Handy enough £150k. Maybe more.
21 games in the McKenna cup?
Are these games ran for free? Surely there are costs too?
Flogging smuggled cigarettes around the Athletic Grounds makes Armagh County Board a fair few quid extra.
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 06, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
Gives counties two or three competitive outings before the league, and a few hundred grand to Ulster Council to keep the steak dinners going for another twelve months.
21 games this year with average crowd of 1500 at £5. Handy enough £150k. Maybe more.
21 games in the McKenna cup?
Are these games ran for free? Surely there are costs too?
Flogging smuggled cigarettes around the Athletic Grounds makes Armagh County Board a fair few quid extra.
Cigarette smoking & sport....a good link up.
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on December 06, 2019, 07:03:48 PM
Quote from: under the bar on December 06, 2019, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 06, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
Gives counties two or three competitive outings before the league, and a few hundred grand to Ulster Council to keep the steak dinners going for another twelve months.
21 games this year with average crowd of 1500 at £5. Handy enough £150k. Maybe more.
21 games in the McKenna cup?
Are these games ran for free? Surely there are costs too?
Flogging smuggled cigarettes around the Athletic Grounds makes Armagh County Board a fair few quid extra.
Cigarette smoking & sport....a good link up.
Much like drink or gambling and sport.
All about the money
Quote from: Throw ball on December 06, 2019, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 06, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
It's Tyrone and Armagh that really care about the competition. Tyrone in particular.
Without checking I think it is over 25 years since Armagh won the McKenna Cup. Don't think they take it too serious at all. Now playing Tyrone in anything is a different matter.
Correct, I think it was maybe 1991 when Armagh last won it and I can't remember being in too many finals since. I do think Armagh will be competitive in it this year
Quote from: regal on December 07, 2019, 08:40:39 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 06, 2019, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 06, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
It's Tyrone and Armagh that really care about the competition. Tyrone in particular.
Without checking I think it is over 25 years since Armagh won the McKenna Cup. Don't think they take it too serious at all. Now playing Tyrone in anything is a different matter.
Correct, I think it was maybe 1991 when Armagh last won it and I can't remember being in too many finals since. I do think Armagh will be competitive in it this year
Armagh last won it in 1994.
That 91 win was famous for canavan scoring 15 points. The Armagh fans clapped and cheered him off the field..
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
There was more than 2000 at Inniskeen the day,. some set up for a place in the middle of no where.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 29, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!
What were the prices today?
Anyone at the match in Inniskeen?If you were there Wildweasel or anyone else I would be interested in your overall impression of Derry's performance.I know they were missing about nine starting players but how did the new players perform?
Quote from: regal on December 07, 2019, 08:40:39 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on December 06, 2019, 06:33:19 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 06, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
It's Tyrone and Armagh that really care about the competition. Tyrone in particular.
Without checking I think it is over 25 years since Armagh won the McKenna Cup. Don't think they take it too serious at all. Now playing Tyrone in anything is a different matter.
Correct, I think it was maybe 1991 when Armagh last won it and I can't remember being in too many finals since. I do think Armagh will be competitive in it this year
Taking the competition somewhat seriously hasn't done any harm to Tyrone down through the years.
Quote from: keeperlit on December 29, 2019, 11:10:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 29, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!
Fully agree with you regarding the defence but Armagh have a lot of players to come back in also
Quote from: BennyCake on December 30, 2019, 12:09:21 AM
What were the prices today?
A tenner/12 euro or you could buy a competition ticket for 18 quid/20 euro
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Quote from: keeperlit on December 29, 2019, 11:10:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 29, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!
Fully agree with you regarding the defence but Armagh have a lot of players to come back in also
That could be Cavan's first string. A lot of good lads gone.
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Quote from: keeperlit on December 29, 2019, 11:10:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 29, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!
Fully agree with you regarding the defence but Armagh have a lot of players to come back in also
That could be Cavan's first string. A lot of good lads gone.
McKiernan didn't start. I imagine he will be in the first 15 come the league
Congrats to Armagh, they were really up for that win.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on December 30, 2019, 11:03:58 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 30, 2019, 07:47:56 AM
Quote from: keeperlit on December 29, 2019, 11:10:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 29, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!
Fully agree with you regarding the defence but Armagh have a lot of players to come back in also
That could be Cavan's first string. A lot of good lads gone.
McKiernan didn't start. I imagine he will be in the first 15 come the league
Quick recovery. It was said elsewhere that McKiernan would miss the majority league due to injury.
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Quote from: keeperlit on December 29, 2019, 11:10:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 29, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win
A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!
Fully agree with you regarding the defence but Armagh have a lot of players to come back in also
That could be Cavan's first string. A lot of good lads gone.
McKiernan didn't start. I imagine he will be in the first 15 come the league
Quick recovery. It was said elsewhere that McKiernan would miss the majority league due to injury.
That was the word alright, I wasn't expecting to see him tugged out.
Keep free next Sunday 5th Jan @2pm. The McKenna Cup team of the last decade and indeed current champions (Tyrone) take the field v Cavan at Healy Park, Omagh.
Did Donegal win with 13 men?
Armagh will fancy themselves on Wed night to set down a marker for the championship. They will also want to begin making up for 15 years of humiliation by the red hand!
Quote from: under the bar on January 05, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
Armagh will fancy themselves on Wed night to set down a marker for the championship. They will also want to begin making up for 15 years of humiliation by the red hand!
Good to see we still live in your head
Great to see Tyrone trying to build for the future today with mccrory at 3, coney at 11 and conal McCann at 14.
Quote from: regal on January 05, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Great to see Tyrone trying to build for the future today with mccrory at 3, coney at 11 and conal McCann at 14.
They had 5 debutants on the team. They need a bit of experience around them to help them settle in. Coney was very good at 11 and looks in very good shape for this time of year. Squads need players like McRory who give it their all and step in with needed. Like the Dublin super 8 game last year he didn't do much wrong and worked very hard.
Thought Rafferty was very good for Tyrone and Kilpatrick had a great debut. Grimes didn't do much wrong without standing out.
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Quote from: regal on January 05, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Great to see Tyrone trying to build for the future today with mccrory at 3, coney at 11 and conal McCann at 14.
They had 5 debutants on the team. They need a bit of experience around them to help them settle in. Coney was very good at 11 and looks in very good shape for this time of year. Squads need players like McRory who give it their all and step in with needed. Like the Dublin super 8 game last year he didn't do much wrong and worked very hard.
Thought Rafferty was very good for Tyrone and Kilpatrick had a great debut. Grimes didn't do much wrong without standing out.
I see young kilpatrick was man of the match. What position does he play. Rafferty has always impressed me any time I've watched him
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Quote from: regal on January 05, 2020, 11:26:34 PM
Great to see Tyrone trying to build for the future today with mccrory at 3, coney at 11 and conal McCann at 14.
They had 5 debutants on the team. They need a bit of experience around them to help them settle in. Coney was very good at 11 and looks in very good shape for this time of year. Squads need players like McRory who give it their all and step in with needed. Like the Dublin super 8 game last year he didn't do much wrong and worked very hard.
Thought Rafferty was very good for Tyrone and Kilpatrick had a great debut. Grimes didn't do much wrong without standing out.
I see young kilpatrick was man of the match. What position does he play. Rafferty has always impressed me any time I've watched him
kilpatrick was midfield. Seen him playing a few club games for Edendork this past couple of years and he has always stood out
Very entertaining game in the athletic grounds tonight. We weren't good enough defensively tho. Some very scores in the game
Will mcgeaney walk?
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2020, 10:53:39 PM
Will mcgeaney walk?
Aye the knifes will be out now after a 3 point McKenna defeat in January.
He should be tied up and tomatoes flogged at him at the Shambles roundabout!
Quote from: BennyCake on January 08, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2020, 10:53:39 PM
Will mcgeaney walk?
Aye the knifes will be out now after a 3 point McKenna defeat in January.
He should be tied up and tomatoes flogged at him at the Shambles roundabout!
I thought so, he went big on this McKenna cup and Mickeys Cubs bet them. If the team gets disbanded we'll take O Neill chap and Burns og
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 08, 2020, 10:26:04 PM
Very entertaining game in the athletic grounds tonight. We weren't good enough defensively tho. Some very scores in the game
Any good performances from Tyrone new bies (if you knew them) ?
Quote from: Itchy on January 08, 2020, 10:53:39 PM
Will mcgeaney walk?
Kieran McGeeney is def staying but your man McGeaney could walk
Why do you say that Illdecide? Did McGeaney say something to that extent?
Quote from: Reuda on January 09, 2020, 01:20:28 PM
Why do you say that Illdecide? Did McGeaney say something to that extent?
You heard it here first!
So Donegal request their semi final be played next Tuesday.
Down ask for the same.
The ulser council have now met and the semi finals have been set for
Sunday 12th Jan @ 2pm
Tyrone v Down in Athletic Grounds
Donegal v Monaghan in Brewster
Why have Tyrone lost their home game in super 8's (if they make it)?
To make sure they can have a chip on their shoulder?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
Why have Tyrone lost their home game in super 8's (if they make it)?
Wonder where the home games will be played? Doesn't seem to be an adequate alternative venue in the county for Div 1 games. So it leaves Clones/Armagh/Enniskillen as the likely options.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
Why have Tyrone lost their home game in super 8's (if they make it)?
https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/307255 ???
Donegal pull out of semi
Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Donegal pull out of semi
If they are so short on numbers why didn't they do this again? https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/38497207
Bring in the Masters be glad of a pre-season game.
Donegal have thrown their toys out of the pram.
Why do the Ulster Council not bring one of the other five teams back in to play Monaghan?
Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Donegal pull out of semi
Well done to Banty, extraordinary success to get Monaghan to a final.
Now just bring the McKenna cup back home again.
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Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Donegal pull out of semi
If they are so short on numbers why didn't they do this again? https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/38497207
There is no U21 team now and the U20s are preparing for championship in a month's time. They probably don't want to be horsed around the place in a senior game and risk injury.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 09, 2020, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Donegal pull out of semi
If they are so short on numbers why didn't they do this again? https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/38497207
Or this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/29315486
Donegal would have been aware of this from the outset. It's not a whole difference to the other 3 semi finalists who will be down a host of panelists. They should be able to field a team.
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 10:37:37 PM
Donegal would have been aware of this from the outset. It's not a whole difference to the other 3 semi finalists who will be down a host of panelists. They should be able to field a team.
Who would play?
They're down 13 to the Sigerson and a few more out injured. U-20s are playing Roscommon.
The request to postpone till Tuesday was turned down (talk about an insane schedule). Down apparently also requested such a postponement.
Its a mickey mouse competition. Not much option left.
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 10:37:37 PM
Donegal would have been aware of this from the outset. It's not a whole difference to the other 3 semi finalists who will be down a host of panelists. They should be able to field a team.
Who would play?
They're down 13 to the Sigerson and a few more out injured. U-20s are playing Roscommon.
The request to postpone till Tuesday was turned down (talk about an insane schedule). Down apparently also requested such a postponement.
Its a mickey mouse competition. Not much option left.
And Donegal should have been aware of that. I'm sure there are other lads in the county not currently involved with the seniors, colleges or u20s who would not have minded a chance to impress.
Tyrone, Down and Monaghan are all in similar situations. I don't have the exact numbers but I'd imagine Tyrone will also have 10+ involved in Sigerson action.
I've no issue with requesting a postponement but Down haven't pulled out as a result of not getting their own way. There is no reason why a county with Donegal's pick shouldn't be able to field a team.
Aye so you think they should pull in 10 lads from somewhere who are not on the panel and give them a game? Are you wise? Totally devalue any merit that the competition has left.
Mc Kenna Cup and University competitions shouldnt be run at same time of the year. One of them has to go.
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 09:14:52 AM
Aye so you think they should pull in 10 lads from somewhere who are not on the panel and give them a game? Are you wise? Totally devalue any merit that the competition has left.
Mc Kenna Cup and University competitions shouldnt be run ar same time if the year. One of them has to go.
Why would they need 10 lads?
Bonner must be running an extremely amateur setup if he hadn't assembled a squad that could compete in the McKenna Cup, no wonder a good few regulars have walked again in the past few years.
Tyrone also have an u20 game at the weekend, they also have about 10 players involved in Sigerson Cup duty. Monaghan and Down will have similar numbers, the difference seems to be that Declan Bonner made a huge **** up of his McKenna Cup squad. It's a bad sign that you can't muster 20 lads to tog out for the weekend. There will also be a big overlap between the u20 and Sigerson players not available.
Basically Michael Murphy has told Donegal board and management that because he is involved with Letterkenny IT this weekend that Sigerson will come first. Murphy trying to call the shots in Donegal and county board from top down havent the balls to deal with him. This is a power play from him short and simple, that's the info I'm getting from people very well connected down there.
It dosent really matter though whether its played or not. I'd say that's Bonners take on it too.....he wont be too worried if the Mc Kenna cup dosent sit beside the Anglo Celt too much. And he wont worry that much that hes going to completely start re jigging his panel for one game. If there is an issue here it's up to fixture committees to sort it out, dont blame it on the manager.
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 09:45:16 AM
Basically Michael Murphy has told Donegal board and management that because he is involved with Letterkenny IT this weekend that Sigerson will come first. Murphy trying to call the shots in Donegal and county board from top down havent the balls to deal with him. This is a power play from him short and simple, that's the info I'm getting from people very well connected down there.
It dosent really matter though whether its played or not. I'd say that's Bonners take on it too.....he wont be too worried if the Mc Kenna cup dosent sit beside the Anglo Celt too much. And he wont worry that much that hes going to completely start re jigging his panel for one game. If there is an issue here it's up to fixture committees to sort it out, dont blame it on the manager.
Of course it's the manager's fault. He should have assembled a squad that could fulfill their fixtures rather than the amateurish setup he has made Donegal look like here when moaning about it. Donegal are impacted just like every other county have been.
How many Galway players are missing due to Sigerson for this weekend, they also have to contend with Corofin players being unavailable along with injuries.
How many Mayo players are unavailable this weekend due to Sigerson, injuries and other reasons?
How many Down players are unavailable this weekend due to Sigerson, Kilcoo and injuries?
How many Tyrone players are unavailable this weekend due to Sigerson, injuries and other reasons?
All these counties are down but for a county with the pick and size of Donegal not to be able to field a team this weekend is an embarrassment. Bonner is an intercounty manager, he should have been able to foresee this and plan for it. Donegal have done extremely well at underage in the past 7/8 years, the club scene is improving rapidly as well in recent years, football is at a high standard across the county. I'm sure there are plenty of decent club footballers who would have loved an opportunity to impress this weekend.
These circumstances are not unique to Donegal yet they are the only county who have thrown their toys out of the pram and not fulfilled a fixture.
Maybe they might actually look into the congested fixture list, by making a stance. Kieran Molloy played a Sigerson Final the same day after playing for Corofin 2 years ago. He's involved in Sigerson again this year, and All Ireland final in a few weeks.
Sigerson should be played around November after the League competition.
Has an entire county of men to pick from but chooses not to give lads a chance to wear the jersey but concede the game, thats childish.
If clubs took the same stance re county players availability where would we be?
Taking himself a wee bit too seriously by the looks of it.
Quote from: tiempo on January 10, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Has an entire county of men to pick from but chooses not to give lads a chance to wear the jersey but concede the game, thats childish.
If clubs took the same stance re county players availability where would we be?
Taking himself a wee bit too seriously by the looks of it.
Absolutely.
Every county is in the same boat as Donegal here, some counties with much smaller picks such as Monagahan too.
It's Declan Bonner throwing his toys out of the pram and not for the first time.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:04:40 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 10:37:37 PM
Donegal would have been aware of this from the outset. It's not a whole difference to the other 3 semi finalists who will be down a host of panelists. They should be able to field a team.
Who would play?
They're down 13 to the Sigerson and a few more out injured. U-20s are playing Roscommon.
The request to postpone till Tuesday was turned down (talk about an insane schedule). Down apparently also requested such a postponement.
Its a mickey mouse competition. Not much option left.
And Donegal should have been aware of that. I'm sure there are other lads in the county not currently involved with the seniors, colleges or u20s who would not have minded a chance to impress.
Tyrone, Down and Monaghan are all in similar situations. I don't have the exact numbers but I'd imagine Tyrone will also have 10+ involved in Sigerson action.
I've no issue with requesting a postponement but Down haven't pulled out as a result of not getting their own way. There is no reason why a county with Donegal's pick shouldn't be able to field a team.
You're suggesting they just try to draft in a bunch of club players for a one-off game at the weekend with a couple days notice??
What's the point? What's to be gained from that? It sounds like the shit we'd have been at ourselves in basement level junior soccer back in the day when you'd be scrambling to try to find lads to play as ringers.
If other teams are in the same boat, they should withdraw also. It's time for the GAA to start addressing the crazy demands on these young lads.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:04:40 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 10:37:37 PM
Donegal would have been aware of this from the outset. It's not a whole difference to the other 3 semi finalists who will be down a host of panelists. They should be able to field a team.
Who would play?
They're down 13 to the Sigerson and a few more out injured. U-20s are playing Roscommon.
The request to postpone till Tuesday was turned down (talk about an insane schedule). Down apparently also requested such a postponement.
Its a mickey mouse competition. Not much option left.
And Donegal should have been aware of that. I'm sure there are other lads in the county not currently involved with the seniors, colleges or u20s who would not have minded a chance to impress.
Tyrone, Down and Monaghan are all in similar situations. I don't have the exact numbers but I'd imagine Tyrone will also have 10+ involved in Sigerson action.
I've no issue with requesting a postponement but Down haven't pulled out as a result of not getting their own way. There is no reason why a county with Donegal's pick shouldn't be able to field a team.
You're suggesting they just try to draft in a bunch of club players for a one-off game at the weekend with a couple days notice??
What's the point? What's to be gained from that? It sounds like the shit we'd have been at ourselves in basement level junior soccer back in the day when you'd be scrambling to try to find lads to play as ringers.
If other teams are in the same boat, they should withdraw also. It's time for the GAA to start addressing the crazy demands on these young lads.
No, I'm suggesting he assemble a squad that will be available for the McKenna Cup. How many players are Galway, Mayo, Down and Tyrone without this weekend? How many players would Monaghan have been down? Why have none of these teams conceded their games?
What's to be gained from it is that other players get an opportunity. It's complete petulance from Declan Bonner, it's embarrassing.
It's utterly embarrassing for a county of Donegal's size not to be able to field a team.
Again I totally disagree. These teams are 2 weeks out from the NFL which matters a good bit more than this pre season run around. Managers are more interested in getting settled teams on the pitch and getting off to a good start, not putting out a skeleton squad to fulfil a fixture in a competition that is already struggling for credibility in an already vastly congested fixture list. Put yourself in Bonnars shoes for a minute here.....does he need this hassle if (a) fixtures people cant sort their mess out, (b) the Ulster council wont accede to a straightforward enough request to put the game back a few days or worst of all (c) Murphys throwing his weight about playing power games and dictating to the manager and the Donegal board. I'd say Bonnar really dosent need this at all at this stage. He would be trying to please far too many others at the expense of his own agenda which is to hit the ground running in Div 1 in a few weeks.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:04:40 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 10:37:37 PM
Donegal would have been aware of this from the outset. It's not a whole difference to the other 3 semi finalists who will be down a host of panelists. They should be able to field a team.
Who would play?
They're down 13 to the Sigerson and a few more out injured. U-20s are playing Roscommon.
The request to postpone till Tuesday was turned down (talk about an insane schedule). Down apparently also requested such a postponement.
Its a mickey mouse competition. Not much option left.
And Donegal should have been aware of that. I'm sure there are other lads in the county not currently involved with the seniors, colleges or u20s who would not have minded a chance to impress.
Tyrone, Down and Monaghan are all in similar situations. I don't have the exact numbers but I'd imagine Tyrone will also have 10+ involved in Sigerson action.
I've no issue with requesting a postponement but Down haven't pulled out as a result of not getting their own way. There is no reason why a county with Donegal's pick shouldn't be able to field a team.
You're suggesting they just try to draft in a bunch of club players for a one-off game at the weekend with a couple days notice??
What's the point? What's to be gained from that? It sounds like the shit we'd have been at ourselves in basement level junior soccer back in the day when you'd be scrambling to try to find lads to play as ringers.
If other teams are in the same boat, they should withdraw also. It's time for the GAA to start addressing the crazy demands on these young lads.
He should use the resources at his disposal. Instead he's decided to down tools.
Whatever about the other Ulster sides, the Donegal situation isn't comparable to Mayo and Galway who haven't played a game this year. Donegal just played mid week and probably don't want to flog those players again and risk injury.
This weekend is potentially the only competitive game for Mayo and Galway before the league so almost all non Sigerson players will want to be involved.
So managers next year should assemble a squad for the Mc Kenna Cup first couple of games and then when they qualify for the semi finals gather up a lot of B grade players who normally wouldnr be near the set up to make up for the ones who wont be available because of fixture balls ups.
Do you really not see how ridiculous this is? You want to devalue the competition even further?? That's what's totally embarrassing here if you ask me!
J70 I'm with you on this.
Tell Murphy to work away with Letterkenny if that's where his preferences lie. Money talks.
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 10:54:52 AM
So managers next year should assemble a squad for the Mc Kenna Cup first couple of games and then when they qualify for the semi finals gather up a lot of B grade players who normally wouldnr be near the set up to make up for the ones who wont be available because of fixture balls ups.
Do you really not see how ridiculous this is? You want to devalue the competition even further?? That's what's totally embarrassing here if you ask me!
J70 I'm with you on this.
He should use the resources at his disposal which is an entire county of fit and able men.
The same manager played the U21s in the competition 2 years ago, plenty of those lads would be 23 now, not on Sigerson teams, not on U20 duty, there are lads in the county who would love the chance to pull on the jersey even if only once.
Other players WERE getting an opportunity.
Here is the Donegal line-up from the Derry game the other night:
Michael Lynch; Caolan Ward (1-1), Brendan McCole, Conor Morrison; Jeaic Mac Ceallbhuí, Conor O'Donnell, Paul Brennan; Caolan McGonagle, Michael Langan (0-3, 1 '45'); Eoin McHugh, Ethan O'Donnell (0-1), Daire Ó Baoill (0-1); Peadar Mogan (0-2, 1f), Michael Carroll, Eoghan McGettigan. Subs: Ciaran Thompson for Carroll (46 mins), Daniel Clarke for McGettigan (48 mins) Andrew McClean (0-1) for E.O'Donnell (53 mins), Ciaran Diver (0-1) for E.McHugh (58 mins), Aaron Deeney for Ward (60 mins).
Likely first choice players for the summer in that team are Langan, Thompson and maybe O'Baoill. If Carroll is truly back, he might be pushing. McCole might be there if Neil McGee is in decline, but its less than a year since Mickey Newman took him to the cleaners in Croke Park. The rest are either cover (Brennan, McConagle, Ward, McHugh) or just breaking into the senior picture.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 11:02:39 AM
Other players WERE getting an opportunity.
Here is the Donegal line-up from the Derry game the other night:
Michael Lynch; Caolan Ward (1-1), Brendan McCole, Conor Morrison; Jeaic Mac Ceallbhuí, Conor O'Donnell, Paul Brennan; Caolan McGonagle, Michael Langan (0-3, 1 '45'); Eoin McHugh, Ethan O'Donnell (0-1), Daire Ó Baoill (0-1); Peadar Mogan (0-2, 1f), Michael Carroll, Eoghan McGettigan. Subs: Ciaran Thompson for Carroll (46 mins), Daniel Clarke for McGettigan (48 mins) Andrew McClean (0-1) for E.O'Donnell (53 mins), Ciaran Diver (0-1) for E.McHugh (58 mins), Aaron Deeney for Ward (60 mins).
Likely first choice players for the summer in that team are Langan, Thompson and maybe O'Baoill. If Carroll is truly back, he might be pushing. McCole might be there if Neil McGee is in decline, but its less than a year since Mickey Newman took him to the cleaners in Croke Park. The rest are either cover (Brennan, McConagle, Ward, McHugh) or just breaking into the senior picture.
So why can't they field a team?
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 10:54:52 AM
So managers next year should assemble a squad for the Mc Kenna Cup first couple of games and then when they qualify for the semi finals gather up a lot of B grade players who normally wouldnr be near the set up to make up for the ones who wont be available because of fixture balls ups.
Do you really not see how ridiculous this is? You want to devalue the competition even further?? That's what's totally embarrassing here if you ask me!
J70 I'm with you on this.
This is nothing new with the McKenna Cup. University sides have always drained players away from the county teams, UUJ have consitently had a starting XV of Ulster county players in the McKenna Cup. Teams use the McKenna Cup to try new players out, they will be blended in with experienced or established players with that. Why did Bonner not assemble a squad that could fulfill the competition?
Declan Bonner would have known of the players involved in Sigerson Cup action, he would have known of the chances of players being unavailable for the semi final. He should have planned for that as there are plenty of good footballers in Donegal who would have loved the opportunity to play for the county but did not get that chance.
Instead he has gone and thrown his toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 11:02:39 AM
Other players WERE getting an opportunity.
Here is the Donegal line-up from the Derry game the other night:
Michael Lynch; Caolan Ward (1-1), Brendan McCole, Conor Morrison; Jeaic Mac Ceallbhuí, Conor O'Donnell, Paul Brennan; Caolan McGonagle, Michael Langan (0-3, 1 '45'); Eoin McHugh, Ethan O'Donnell (0-1), Daire Ó Baoill (0-1); Peadar Mogan (0-2, 1f), Michael Carroll, Eoghan McGettigan. Subs: Ciaran Thompson for Carroll (46 mins), Daniel Clarke for McGettigan (48 mins) Andrew McClean (0-1) for E.O'Donnell (53 mins), Ciaran Diver (0-1) for E.McHugh (58 mins), Aaron Deeney for Ward (60 mins).
Likely first choice players for the summer in that team are Langan, Thompson and maybe O'Baoill. If Carroll is truly back, he might be pushing. McCole might be there if Neil McGee is in decline, but its less than a year since Mickey Newman took him to the cleaners in Croke Park. The rest are either cover (Brennan, McConagle, Ward, McHugh) or just breaking into the senior picture.
So why can't they field a team?
Presumably the rest of the squad isn't back, fit and ready yet to go yet, same as every other year in the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 10:54:52 AM
So managers next year should assemble a squad for the Mc Kenna Cup first couple of games and then when they qualify for the semi finals gather up a lot of B grade players who normally wouldnr be near the set up to make up for the ones who wont be available because of fixture balls ups.
Do you really not see how ridiculous this is? You want to devalue the competition even further?? That's what's totally embarrassing here if you ask me!
J70 I'm with you on this.
This is nothing new with the McKenna Cup. University sides have always drained players away from the county teams, UUJ have consitently had a starting XV of Ulster county players in the McKenna Cup. Teams use the McKenna Cup to try new players out, they will be blended in with experienced or established players with that. Why did Bonner not assemble a squad that could fulfill the competition?
Declan Bonner would have known of the players involved in Sigerson Cup action, he would have known of the chances of players being unavailable for the semi final. He should have planned for that as there are plenty of good footballers in Donegal who would have loved the opportunity to play for the county but did not get that chance.
Instead he has gone and thrown his toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing.
Not particularly, 2 points v Mayo in 2 weeks time there'll never be a word of this again.
Plenty of lads in Donegal would relish a game for the county this weekend. But Declan Bonner doesn't. Sin é.
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
Tell Murphy to work away with Letterkenny if that's where his preferences lie. Money talks.
What do you have against Murphy? He doesn't appear to be doing anything wrong here.
Tyrone supporters understandably upset that their most important competition isn't being shown the respect it deserves.
It was ironic before the Mckenna Cup started, Mickey Harte was lamenting the loss of the college teams this year, as it wasn't an extra game for Tyrone. When they were playing in it he lamented that did first choice. The college teams were usually hammered, so a training in house game was as much beneficial.
Thats right getoverthebar. And if he loses by a point because of all this unwelcome disruption?? Or his skeleton squad gets a trimming. That would be good for morale too, wouldnt it?
Bottom line is Murphy getting extremely well compensated for his involvement with Letterkenny. That's the root of this problem....he has insisted that the Donegal board request the game put back largely to accommodate him. If Murphy wasnt in this situation there wouldnt be a word about it, but as I say money talks and that's why his allegiance this weekend is to his paymasters. That's the problem I have with it SambaSaffron.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 11:02:39 AM
Other players WERE getting an opportunity.
Here is the Donegal line-up from the Derry game the other night:
Michael Lynch; Caolan Ward (1-1), Brendan McCole, Conor Morrison; Jeaic Mac Ceallbhuí, Conor O'Donnell, Paul Brennan; Caolan McGonagle, Michael Langan (0-3, 1 '45'); Eoin McHugh, Ethan O'Donnell (0-1), Daire Ó Baoill (0-1); Peadar Mogan (0-2, 1f), Michael Carroll, Eoghan McGettigan. Subs: Ciaran Thompson for Carroll (46 mins), Daniel Clarke for McGettigan (48 mins) Andrew McClean (0-1) for E.O'Donnell (53 mins), Ciaran Diver (0-1) for E.McHugh (58 mins), Aaron Deeney for Ward (60 mins).
Likely first choice players for the summer in that team are Langan, Thompson and maybe O'Baoill. If Carroll is truly back, he might be pushing. McCole might be there if Neil McGee is in decline, but its less than a year since Mickey Newman took him to the cleaners in Croke Park. The rest are either cover (Brennan, McConagle, Ward, McHugh) or just breaking into the senior picture.
So why can't they field a team?
Presumably the rest of the squad isn't back, fit and ready yet to go yet, same as every other year in the McKenna Cup.
And why hasn't he assmebled a squad that is capable of fulfilling the McKenna Cup, he should have known at the outset that there is a good chance of lots of players being unavailable for the McKenna Cup semi onwards.
Where are the likes of McBrearty, Murphy, McLoone, McGee, McFadden, McMenamin?
Contrast the Tyrone team and Donegal team that met last year:
Donegal: S Patton; P McGrath, N McGee, S McMenamin (0-01); R McHugh (0-01), N O'Donnell, E Ban Gallagher; H McFadden (0-01), J McGee; E McHugh (0-01), L McLoone, J Brennan (1-03); P McBrearty (0-03, 1f), M Murphy (0-05, 2d, 1 '45), M Langan (0-01).
Subs: C Thompson for McGee (15), D O Baoill for E McHugh (39), F McGlynn for McLoone (47), O Gallen for O'Donnell (53), P Brennan for J Brennan (64)
Tyrone: N Morgan (0-02, 1f, 1 '45); P Hampsey, R McNamee, L Rafferty; T McCann, B McDonnell, M McKernan; C Cavanagh, B Kennedy; M Donnelly (0-01), K McGeary (0-02), F Burns; C McShane (0-04, 3f), P Harte, R Donnelly (0-2).
Subs: C McAliskey for Harte (BC 9), N Sludden for Cavanagh (h-t), R Brennan for Rafferty (h-t), D McCurry (0-03, 1f) for McDonnell (40), M Cassidy (0-01) for Burns (51), A McCrory for McCann (56)
Donegal:
Injured: McGrath, Gallagher, J McGee
Opted out/retired: McGlynn
Not seen action yet: Murphy, McBrearty, McMenamin, McLoone
Sigerson: ?????
Tyrone:
Injured: Donnelly
Opted out/retired: McAliskey and probably McShane
Not seen action yet: Harte, R Donnelly, Hampsey, McNamee, Cavanagh, Cassidy
Sigerson: Kennedy, McDonnell, Rafferty?, McKernan
So why are Donegal having such problems fielding a team?
You're not listening. Murphys calling the shots. Hes not available so hes personally issued instructions to the Donegal board to seek to put the fixture back to accommodate his availability to manage Letterkenny IT for which he us being exceptionally well compensated. Make no mistake thats the major issue here. Bonnar caught up in it because Murphys throwing his weight around the county.
Bonner already stated 13 are on Sigerson Duty. McGloone had a long year with his Club. Why would they flog him in Mckenna Cup.? McBrearty is away travelling and will miss the League. Jason Mc Gee will miss the league too, through injury. Oisin Gallen injured also .
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
Thats right getoverthebar. And if he loses by a point because of all this unwelcome disruption?? Or his skeleton squad gets a trimming. That would be good for morale too, wouldnt it?
Bottom line is Murphy getting extremely well compensated for his involvement with Letterkenny. That's the root of this problem....he has insisted that the Donegal board request the game put back largely to accommodate him. If Murphy wasnt in this situation there wouldnt be a word about it, but as I say money talks and that's why his allegiance this weekend is to his paymasters. That's the problem I have with it SambaSaffron.
I don't get your point at all. No county will have Sigerson players in action this weekend so it doesn't matter what Murphy is doing with the Donegal County board, all counties are at the same loss here.
The problem seems to be that Declan Bonner picked a squad for the McKenna Cup which would struggle to field a team, why didn't he give players a run out who could play games? Donegal could field a team if they wanted but Bonner has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 11:45:41 AM
Bonner already stated 13 are on Sigerson Duty. McGloone had a long year with his Club. Why would they flog him in Mckenna Cup.? McBrearty is away travelling and will miss the League. Jason Mc Gee will miss the league too, through injury. Oisin Gallen injured also .
So what?
Tyrone have similar numbers on Sigerson duty at the minute, as do Mayo, as do Galway etc.
The following players haven't featured yet for Tyrone - Harte, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Meyler, McNamee, R Donnelly, Bradley, HP McGeary.
Harry Loughran, Declan McClure and Mattie Donnelly are currently injured.
So that's about 20 players that Tyrone could be without this weekend, they will still field a team though.
It looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 11:45:41 AM
Bonner already stated 13 are on Sigerson Duty. McGloone had a long year with his Club. Why would they flog him in Mckenna Cup.? McBrearty is away travelling and will miss the League. Jason Mc Gee will miss the league too, through injury. Oisin Gallen injured also .
So what?
Tyrone have similar numbers on Sigerson duty at the minute, as do Mayo, as do Galway etc.
The following players haven't featured yet for Tyrone - Harte, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Meyler, McNamee, R Donnelly, Bradley, HP McGeary.
Harry Loughran, Declan McClure and Mattie Donnelly are currently injured.
So that's about 20 players that Tyrone could be without this weekend, they will still field a team though.
It looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
If the cap fits?
As long as Bonner gets his mileage allowance and meal ticket for going to watch the Sigerson games it'll all be grand.
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and instead include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 11:45:41 AM
Bonner already stated 13 are on Sigerson Duty. McGloone had a long year with his Club. Why would they flog him in Mckenna Cup.? McBrearty is away travelling and will miss the League. Jason Mc Gee will miss the league too, through injury. Oisin Gallen injured also .
So what?
Tyrone have similar numbers on Sigerson duty at the minute, as do Mayo, as do Galway etc.
The following players haven't featured yet for Tyrone - Harte, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Meyler, McNamee, R Donnelly, Bradley, HP McGeary.
Harry Loughran, Declan McClure and Mattie Donnelly are currently injured.
So that's about 20 players that Tyrone could be without this weekend, they will still field a team though.
It looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
Bonner requested that the Mckenna Cup game be moved to next Wednesday, but Ulster Council refused. It's a pre season competition, but it's run like its the All Ireland.
Bonner was more making a stance then anything else about fixture congestion. They just cram in games without much thought.
The big show in town is the Super 8s as it's being referred to. For other counties winning a properly marketed properly rewarded Tier 2 may also morph into a very worthwhile competition in due course. Maybe.
Take Donegal last year. Went full pelt to beat Tyrone in the Ulster cship and threw so much at the tank too early, petered out tamely in early August with a muted display in Castlebar when the rest of the big counties were only getting warmed up. You'll find they time things differently this year.
The NFL is a stepping stone to building a squad and a system of play for these competitions.
The Mc Kenna Cup is a couple of trumphed up friendlies that dont matter much except as a fundraiser for Ulster Council expenses. Donegal dont need it one iota at this stage. Theyve got the Anglo Celt there atm and its prestige is being eroded by the year in place of the big show, The Super 8s. One provincial competition will be enough per calendar year in the near future.
Anyone remember, without looking it up, who won the McKenna Cup last year? Or who was in the final?
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
What the hell are you on about? Bonnars done nothing wrong here. Give me one reason why Bonnar might have the remotest interest in fulfilling a fixture without any resemblance of his team to play Mayo in two weeks in a game that matters at least a little bit. Plus, its Murphy calling the shots here or at least trying too!
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 12:05:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 11:45:41 AM
Bonner already stated 13 are on Sigerson Duty. McGloone had a long year with his Club. Why would they flog him in Mckenna Cup.? McBrearty is away travelling and will miss the League. Jason Mc Gee will miss the league too, through injury. Oisin Gallen injured also .
So what?
Tyrone have similar numbers on Sigerson duty at the minute, as do Mayo, as do Galway etc.
The following players haven't featured yet for Tyrone - Harte, Hampsey, Cavanagh, Meyler, McNamee, R Donnelly, Bradley, HP McGeary.
Harry Loughran, Declan McClure and Mattie Donnelly are currently injured.
So that's about 20 players that Tyrone could be without this weekend, they will still field a team though.
It looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
Bonner requested that the Mckenna Cup game be moved to next Wednesday, but Ulster Council refused. It's a pre season competition, but it's run like its the All Ireland.
Bonner was more making a stance then anything else about fixture congestion. They just cram in games without much thought.
So he's worried about player welfare yet he wanted to add another game in a short space of time for those players to play in? He should have planned without his Sigerson players for this weekend, like every other county did.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PMThe exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:53:38 AMIt looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:47:33 AMThe problem seems to be that Declan Bonner picked a squad for the McKenna Cup which would struggle to field a team, why didn't he give players a run out who could play games? Donegal could field a team if they wanted but Bonner has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:15:58 AMInstead he has gone and thrown his toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 10:46:20 AMIt's utterly embarrassing for a county of Donegal's size not to be able to field a team.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 10:28:55 AMIt's Declan Bonner throwing his toys out of the pram and not for the first time.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:58:55 AMThese circumstances are not unique to Donegal yet they are the only county who have thrown their toys out of the pram and not fulfilled a fixture.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:18:54 AM
Bonner must be running an extremely amateur setup if he hadn't assembled a squad that could compete in the McKenna Cup, no wonder a good few regulars have walked again in the past few years.
Monaghan and Down will have similar numbers, the difference seems to be that Declan Bonner made a huge **** up of his McKenna Cup squad. It's a bad sign that you can't muster 20 lads to tog out for the weekend.
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 06:20:05 PM
Donegal have thrown their toys out of the pram.
Is everything alright pet? Anything you want to tell us?
Quote from: greatpoint on January 10, 2020, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PMThe exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:53:38 AMIt looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:47:33 AMThe problem seems to be that Declan Bonner picked a squad for the McKenna Cup which would struggle to field a team, why didn't he give players a run out who could play games? Donegal could field a team if they wanted but Bonner has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:15:58 AMInstead he has gone and thrown his toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 10:46:20 AMIt's utterly embarrassing for a county of Donegal's size not to be able to field a team.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 10:28:55 AMIt's Declan Bonner throwing his toys out of the pram and not for the first time.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:58:55 AMThese circumstances are not unique to Donegal yet they are the only county who have thrown their toys out of the pram and not fulfilled a fixture.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:18:54 AM
Bonner must be running an extremely amateur setup if he hadn't assembled a squad that could compete in the McKenna Cup, no wonder a good few regulars have walked again in the past few years.
Monaghan and Down will have similar numbers, the difference seems to be that Declan Bonner made a huge **** up of his McKenna Cup squad. It's a bad sign that you can't muster 20 lads to tog out for the weekend.
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 06:20:05 PM
Donegal have thrown their toys out of the pram.
Is everything alright pet? Anything you want to tell us?
You threw your toys out of the pram, Declan.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
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One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Clearly Donegal didn't give much, if any, consideration to making the semi. Not disputing that at all. I just don't see the problem with that. Its a pre-season tournament for looking at potential players. not a competition worth taking seriously on its own merits.
The player welfare comments from the county board press comment ARE a bit puzzling, although MAYBE a couple of days might have helped the flu victims recover. It would be nice if the Donegal county board is starting to see the light in that respect though.
But how exactly is pulling out of the tournament making a big scene on Bonner's part? What would you have had them do? Just say nothing and not show up on the night?
Quote from: greatpoint on January 10, 2020, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PMThe exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:53:38 AMIt looks on the face of it to be amateurish from Bonner not to have a squad for this and embarrassing that he has thrown his toys out of the pram when he should have been planning for it.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:47:33 AMThe problem seems to be that Declan Bonner picked a squad for the McKenna Cup which would struggle to field a team, why didn't he give players a run out who could play games? Donegal could field a team if they wanted but Bonner has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 11:15:58 AMInstead he has gone and thrown his toys out of the pram. It's embarrassing.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 10:46:20 AMIt's utterly embarrassing for a county of Donegal's size not to be able to field a team.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 10:28:55 AMIt's Declan Bonner throwing his toys out of the pram and not for the first time.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:58:55 AMThese circumstances are not unique to Donegal yet they are the only county who have thrown their toys out of the pram and not fulfilled a fixture.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 09:18:54 AM
Bonner must be running an extremely amateur setup if he hadn't assembled a squad that could compete in the McKenna Cup, no wonder a good few regulars have walked again in the past few years.
Monaghan and Down will have similar numbers, the difference seems to be that Declan Bonner made a huge **** up of his McKenna Cup squad. It's a bad sign that you can't muster 20 lads to tog out for the weekend.
Quote from: Angelo on January 09, 2020, 06:20:05 PM
Donegal have thrown their toys out of the pram.
Is everything alright pet? Anything you want to tell us?
;D ;D
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Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Clearly Donegal didn't give much, if any, consideration to making the semi. Not disputing that at all. I just don't see the problem with that. Its a pre-season tournament for looking at potential players. not a competition worth taking seriously on its own merits.
The player welfare comments from the county board press comment ARE a bit puzzling, although MAYBE a couple of days might have helped the flu victims recover. It would be nice if the Donegal county board is starting to see the light in that respect though.
But how exactly is pulling out of the tournament making a big scene on Bonner's part? What would you have had them do? Just say nothing and not show up on the night?
He had been bleating for the past week about it then withdrew his team. It's an embarrassment and when you consider it's a county with Donegal's pick and quality that has taken this decision it is even moreso. It has shown the competition enormous disrespect and I think the Ulster Council should suspend Donegal from taking part next year.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Clearly Donegal didn't give much, if any, consideration to making the semi. Not disputing that at all. I just don't see the problem with that. Its a pre-season tournament for looking at potential players. not a competition worth taking seriously on its own merits.
The player welfare comments from the county board press comment ARE a bit puzzling, although MAYBE a couple of days might have helped the flu victims recover. It would be nice if the Donegal county board is starting to see the light in that respect though.
But how exactly is pulling out of the tournament making a big scene on Bonner's part? What would you have had them do? Just say nothing and not show up on the night?
He had been bleating for the past week about it then withdrew his team. It's an embarrassment and when you consider it's a county with Donegal's pick and quality that has taken this decision it is even moreso. It has shown the competition enormous disrespect and I think the Ulster Council should suspend Donegal from taking part next year.
As a Donegal man, I'm not in the slightest bit embarrassed. Why should I be embarrassed because the demands of the Sigerson and the McKenna Cups were at odds in terms of the development plans for the Donegal squad for this season? A county team is not Liverpool FC, able to call on a full-time professional youth team to fullfil a fixture in the event of a scheduling conflict.
And the competition is not a person or entity owed respect. Its a pre-season kick-about for the county teams, nothing more. Some take it seriously some years, some never take it seriously. If the Ulster Council want to punish Donegal by barring them next year, I doubt if many will lose sleep over it.
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Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Clearly Donegal didn't give much, if any, consideration to making the semi. Not disputing that at all. I just don't see the problem with that. Its a pre-season tournament for looking at potential players. not a competition worth taking seriously on its own merits.
The player welfare comments from the county board press comment ARE a bit puzzling, although MAYBE a couple of days might have helped the flu victims recover. It would be nice if the Donegal county board is starting to see the light in that respect though.
But how exactly is pulling out of the tournament making a big scene on Bonner's part? What would you have had them do? Just say nothing and not show up on the night?
He had been bleating for the past week about it then withdrew his team. It's an embarrassment and when you consider it's a county with Donegal's pick and quality that has taken this decision it is even moreso. It has shown the competition enormous disrespect and I think the Ulster Council should suspend Donegal from taking part next year.
As a Donegal man, I'm not in the slightest bit embarrassed. Why should I be embarrassed because the demands of the Sigerson and the McKenna Cups were at odds in terms of the development plans for the Donegal squad for this season? A county team is not Liverpool FC, able to call on a full-time professional youth team to fullfil a fixture in the event of a scheduling conflict.
And the competition is not a person or entity owed respect. Its a pre-season kick-about for the county teams, nothing more. Some take it seriously some years, some never take it seriously. If the Ulster Council want to punish Donegal by barring them next year, I doubt if many will lose sleep over it.
You should be, it's embarrassing. If the Ulster Council punish Donegal and they certainly should, then Bonner will be the first man bleating about not having a warm up competition next year to look at players, assuming he is still in the job.
Every other county has the same issues as Donegal, they're still fulfilling their fixtures, this was something Donegal were aware of before they entered competition, the fixture list was set in stone. They should not have entered the competition if they felt this was going to be an issue.
It's not a scheduling conflict, the McKenna Cup has always had university involvement and those universities have generally had first choice on the county players. He then threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his way and gave a contradictory excuse as his reason. The guy is a grade A idiot and he has history too.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 12:05:38 PM
Bonner was more making a stance then anything else about fixture congestion. They just cram in games without much thought.
He's making a stand about fixture congestion by requesting they add another midweek game for the players impacted into the calendar?
Square that one off for me please.
Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Clearly Donegal didn't give much, if any, consideration to making the semi. Not disputing that at all. I just don't see the problem with that. Its a pre-season tournament for looking at potential players. not a competition worth taking seriously on its own merits.
The player welfare comments from the county board press comment ARE a bit puzzling, although MAYBE a couple of days might have helped the flu victims recover. It would be nice if the Donegal county board is starting to see the light in that respect though.
But how exactly is pulling out of the tournament making a big scene on Bonner's part? What would you have had them do? Just say nothing and not show up on the night?
He had been bleating for the past week about it then withdrew his team. It's an embarrassment and when you consider it's a county with Donegal's pick and quality that has taken this decision it is even moreso. It has shown the competition enormous disrespect and I think the Ulster Council should suspend Donegal from taking part next year.
As a Donegal man, I'm not in the slightest bit embarrassed. Why should I be embarrassed because the demands of the Sigerson and the McKenna Cups were at odds in terms of the development plans for the Donegal squad for this season? A county team is not Liverpool FC, able to call on a full-time professional youth team to fullfil a fixture in the event of a scheduling conflict.
And the competition is not a person or entity owed respect. Its a pre-season kick-about for the county teams, nothing more. Some take it seriously some years, some never take it seriously. If the Ulster Council want to punish Donegal by barring them next year, I doubt if many will lose sleep over it.
You should be, it's embarrassing. If the Ulster Council punish Donegal and they certainly should, then Bonner will be the first man bleating about not having a warm up competition next year to look at players, assuming he is still in the job.
Every other county has the same issues as Donegal, they're still fulfilling their fixtures, this was something Donegal were aware of before they entered competition, the fixture list was set in stone. They should not have entered the competition if they felt this was going to be an issue.
It's not a scheduling conflict, the McKenna Cup has always had university involvement and those universities have generally had first choice on the county players. He then threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his way and gave a contradictory excuse as his reason. The guy is a grade A idiot and he has history too.
Tyrone boys have history too. The rest of us have moved on. Maybe youse should do the same and stop overreacting to Bonner every time he opens his mouth.
Of course it's a scheduling conflict exacerbated by the flu and injuries. Other years are irrelevant. Bonner filled out his squad this year in such a way that it turned out to be a problem the way things unfolded. If Monaghan had scored their last minute penalty, this wouldn't have come up as Donegal would be out. The idea that Bonner should unnecessarily call players he doesn't want into the squad and waste their and his own time, just in case Donegal made the semi-final of the McKenna Cup, a warm-up tournament in January, is laughable.
Auk its the same oul chestnut, county managers want to eat their cake and then still have it. Its a first world problem and Bonner is behaving like a child. I'm sure the same boy will decimate the Donegal club schedule given half a chance to suit his own agenda too.
At the end of the day you either want to go out and play a game of football or you don't. Bonner wants a round trip on expenses to watch the Sigerson lads but doesn't want to put on the fleece and wellies for the lesser knowns to represent their county.
Theres a finite amount of football to be played and whatever his epitaph he's downed tools on 1 possibly 2 days out managing Donegal, which seems odd because I'd guess he applied for the job and articulated his desire to manage the Donegal footballers, now hes presiding over a conceded game when he has the pick of hundreds of players, eejit.
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Quote from: Angelo on January 10, 2020, 12:09:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
One would presume Bonner thought long and hard about which players he wanted to include in the McKenna Cup with a view to their potential as proper squad members. Naturally a lot of those lads are also going to be on college teams. Are you suggesting that he alter those plans and include non-college players he is less interested in on the off-chance that he might have a semi-final fixture to fulfill? It's a meaningless pre-season tournament, not the World Cup.
The exact same as most counties but Donegal seem to be the only one unwilling to fulfill a fixture. He's made a big scene of throwing his toys out of the pram, if it's not the World Cup then why has he shown such overt displays of petulance?
Evidently not the same as most counties as the other semi-finalists can field teams the same day as the Sigerson.
And what petulance and big scenes are you talking about? We know some of you Tyrone boys dislike Bonner, but you're being a wee bit over-sensitive here. He withdrew from a tournament no one cares about as it didn't work for his squad plans. It's not the end of the world. At worst, Monaghan will go into the final a bit more refreshed than the other finalist.
Evidently they can field because they planned without unavailable players and Donegal planned on playing with unavailable players.
He made a big scene of pulling out from a tournament and bizarrely stood behind player welfare as a reason for it when he wanted to add an extra midweek game into the mix for those players involved.
Clearly Donegal didn't give much, if any, consideration to making the semi. Not disputing that at all. I just don't see the problem with that. Its a pre-season tournament for looking at potential players. not a competition worth taking seriously on its own merits.
The player welfare comments from the county board press comment ARE a bit puzzling, although MAYBE a couple of days might have helped the flu victims recover. It would be nice if the Donegal county board is starting to see the light in that respect though.
But how exactly is pulling out of the tournament making a big scene on Bonner's part? What would you have had them do? Just say nothing and not show up on the night?
He had been bleating for the past week about it then withdrew his team. It's an embarrassment and when you consider it's a county with Donegal's pick and quality that has taken this decision it is even moreso. It has shown the competition enormous disrespect and I think the Ulster Council should suspend Donegal from taking part next year.
As a Donegal man, I'm not in the slightest bit embarrassed. Why should I be embarrassed because the demands of the Sigerson and the McKenna Cups were at odds in terms of the development plans for the Donegal squad for this season? A county team is not Liverpool FC, able to call on a full-time professional youth team to fullfil a fixture in the event of a scheduling conflict.
And the competition is not a person or entity owed respect. Its a pre-season kick-about for the county teams, nothing more. Some take it seriously some years, some never take it seriously. If the Ulster Council want to punish Donegal by barring them next year, I doubt if many will lose sleep over it.
You should be, it's embarrassing. If the Ulster Council punish Donegal and they certainly should, then Bonner will be the first man bleating about not having a warm up competition next year to look at players, assuming he is still in the job.
Every other county has the same issues as Donegal, they're still fulfilling their fixtures, this was something Donegal were aware of before they entered competition, the fixture list was set in stone. They should not have entered the competition if they felt this was going to be an issue.
It's not a scheduling conflict, the McKenna Cup has always had university involvement and those universities have generally had first choice on the county players. He then threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his way and gave a contradictory excuse as his reason. The guy is a grade A idiot and he has history too.
Tyrone boys have history too. The rest of us have moved on. Maybe youse should do the same and stop overreacting to Bonner every time he opens his mouth.
Of course it's a scheduling conflict exacerbated by the flu and injuries. Other years are irrelevant. Bonner filled out his squad this year in such a way that it turned out to be a problem the way things unfolded. If Monaghan had scored their last minute penalty, this wouldn't have come up as Donegal would be out. The idea that Bonner should unnecessarily call players he doesn't want into the squad and waste their and his own time, just in case Donegal made the semi-final of the McKenna Cup, a warm-up tournament in January, is laughable.
So we're agreed that it's poor planning from Bonner and he has a brass neck to be trying to deflect blame elsewhere.
The idea that Bonner should choose a squad that can fulfill the fixtures of a competition that they entered in is a reasonable one, for whatever reason he seem flabbergasted that his poor planning has led to this situation.
How can he not see this situation? Donegal should definitely get sanctions over this, if a club side fail to fulfill a fixture, they normally get hit with a fine or a penalty - for a county team it's unforgivable - particularly one with Donegal's pick and quality.
Bonner is swinging the lead. He could take a look at any amount of 22-32 year olds who would be fit and raring for even a single game for the county, imagine they played rightly and won, they might even have a final to look forward to. Maybe he should hand the reigns to someone else for this one, or even permanently if he isn't up to the job.
Poor stuff from Donegal. It's a pretty meaningless pre season friendly tournament designed to give players a run out before the league. Surely it's not that hard for the reigning Ulster Chsmps to field 15 players plus 3 or 4 subs for a semi final.
I for one think Declan Bonner should issue a statement to address the concerns of Tyrone supporters.
Quote from: greatpoint on January 10, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
I for one think Declan Bonner should issue a statement to address the concerns of Tyrone supporters.
Going to be a white-hot atmosphere in Ballybofey in May with all this Bonner resentment! ;D
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Quote from: greatpoint on January 10, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
I for one think Declan Bonner should issue a statement to address the concerns of Tyrone supporters.
Going to be a white-hot atmosphere in Ballybofey in May with all this Bonner resentment! ;D
That's if the Ulster Council allow Donegal to compete after this week's shenanigans.
A simple solution would be for the GAA to stop 3rd level players from being on county panels until the 3rd level competition is over
Aa Donegal have pulled out should The Ulster Council not ask the next best placed runner up to take their place??
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Aa Donegal have pulled out should The Ulster Council not ask the next best placed runner up to take their place??
Would it be a bit late now with the game on Sunday
True tbf. Theres some rare boys on here trying to pin this on Bonnar, that's the biggest laugh of all!
The facts are simple if anyone wants to think about it. Bonnar becomes aware that Murphy has dual commitments, and the matter is referred by both Murphy and Bonnar to their county board to deal with the matter. (Quite sensible thing to do I'd say). Murphy then digs heels in and puts his highly paid Sigerson role first. The board go cap in hand to Ulster to see if a resolution can be found by putting the fixture back a couple of days. Ulster Council show zero empathy for the situation. Now......please tell me....what has Bonnar done this time to annoy these Tyrone men on here?? Or put it another way. What would they have done in his shoes?
Quote from: bannside on January 10, 2020, 06:51:19 PM
True tbf. Theres some rare boys on here trying to pin this on Bonnar, that's the biggest laugh of all!
The facts are simple if anyone wants to think about it. Bonnar becomes aware that Murphy has dual commitments, and the matter is referred by both Murphy and Bonnar to their county board to deal with the matter. (Quite sensible thing to do I'd say). Murphy then digs heels in and puts his highly paid Sigerson role first. The board go cap in hand to Ulster to see if a resolution can be found by putting the fixture back a couple of days. Ulster Council show zero empathy for the situation. Now......please tell me....what has Bonnar done this time to annoy these Tyrone men on here?? Or put it another way. What would they have done in his shoes?
2 options really. Plan ahead or tell Michael Murphy that I am the boss not you.
It's ridiculous that he entered the competition knowing that this was going to be an issue. It shows either a lack of planning on his part or a lack of spine if bonnar is referring decisions like this to the board.
I don't care really either way but it dies look bad on Donegal as a whole for pulling out now
The real truth is that Donegal chickened out of yet another duel with Monaghan in such a short timespan.
Donegal and especially Bonner are expert whingers.
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2020, 09:09:07 AM
Donegal and especially Bonner are expert whingers.
I love irony ;D
Indeed. Wait until May and all the crying, win or lose, that you'll be hearing from the Tyrone ones here over the referee after the game in Ballybofey.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 11, 2020, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2020, 09:09:07 AM
Donegal and especially Bonner are expert whingers.
I love irony ;D
Self-awareness appears to be extremely scarce in parts of central Ulster.
Quote from: J70 on January 11, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Indeed. Wait until May and all the crying, win or lose, that you'll be hearing from the Tyrone ones here over the referee after the game in Ballybofey.
Doubt they will be any complaining as Donegal are expected to win. They have had Tyrone numbers the past 2 years and now that mcshane is gone so is Tyrones main attacking threat
It's Donegals to lose.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 11, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Indeed. Wait until May and all the crying, win or lose, that you'll be hearing from the Tyrone ones here over the referee after the game in Ballybofey.
Doubt they will be any complaining as Donegal are expected to win. They have had Tyrone numbers the past 2 years and now that mcshane is gone so is Tyrones main attacking threat
It's Donegals to lose.
Long way to go till May. You don't know what injuries or drop-outs Donegal will suffer. And maybe someone else will fill McShane's role (Donnelly?).
You beat us in '18 BTW! In Ballybofey. Wee Brennan came on and changed the game. Surely you haven't forgotten that! :)
Quote from: J70 on January 11, 2020, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 11, 2020, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 11, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Indeed. Wait until May and all the crying, win or lose, that you'll be hearing from the Tyrone ones here over the referee after the game in Ballybofey.
Doubt they will be any complaining as Donegal are expected to win. They have had Tyrone numbers the past 2 years and now that mcshane is gone so is Tyrones main attacking threat
It's Donegals to lose.
Long way to go till May. You don't know what injuries or drop-outs Donegal will suffer. And maybe someone else will fill McShane's role (Donnelly?).
You beat us in '18 BTW! In Ballybofey. Wee Brennan came on and changed the game. Surely you haven't forgotten that! :)
Forgot about that. I think Donegal are on the rise up in general whereas Tyrone still have the same old problems. The qualifier draw has been very kind to us this past few years which has allowed us to progress further than we probably should. Only time till tell I suppose.
You're consistently second or third best team in the country. I don't think there has been that much luck in it. Donegal tend to peak earlier but are definitely on the up. If mcbrearty is missing then he is possibly as big a loss as mcshane though I do think that injury has hurt his pace.
Credit to Down for fulfilling the fixture today.
Some amount of crying by Tyrone people on here about a game that has nothing to do with them
Quote from: Angelo on January 12, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
Credit to Down for fulfilling the fixture today.
Fulfilling the fixture was about it!!
get rid of mckenna cup o byne cup etc and just have a three week period where you can arrange challenge matches
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2020, 01:29:26 AM
get rid of mckenna cup o byne cup etc and just have a three week period where you can arrange challenge matches
Youse just leave the O'Byrne Cup out of this. It's one of Longford's only chance of a bit of craic.
Scrap what ye like in Ulster.
The O'Byrne Cup should be renamed the Midlands SFC.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2020, 01:29:26 AM
get rid of mckenna cup o byne cup etc and just have a three week period where you can arrange challenge matches
Is there much difference in pre season tournaments and challenge games ?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2020, 01:29:26 AM
get rid of mckenna cup o byne cup etc and just have a three week period where you can arrange challenge matches
Is there much difference in pre season tournaments and challenge games ?
Don't know about other pre season competitions but there have been done great battles in the McKenna Cup in the past few years and it has been a good testing ground for the mettle of new players.
Not really but challenge games gives you chance to play on your own times agreed between the teams and you can play teams from other provinces although you wouldnt want to be travelling far this time year.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2020, 08:27:26 AM
Not really but challenge games gives you chance to play on your own times agreed between the teams and you can play teams from other provinces although you wouldnt want to be travelling far this time year.
Would the challenge matches be closed to spectators, pay at the gate-first come first served or all ticket?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2020, 01:29:26 AM
get rid of mckenna cup o byne cup etc and just have a three week period where you can arrange challenge matches
Is there much difference in pre season tournaments and challenge games ?
you don't get to charge a tenner into challenge games. This is the problem, Ulster council don't want to give up the cash they squeeze out of this Mickey mouse 'competition.'
Bonner must have really got inside Tyrone heads, Ronan McNamee has now made a statement as well as Harte. What's going on? Do Tyrone think this has devalued their treasured McKenna Cup titles?
Quote from: greatpoint on January 16, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Bonner must have really got inside Tyrone heads, Ronan McNamee has now made a statement as well as Harte. What's going on? Do Tyrone think this has devalued their treasured McKenna Cup titles?
Bonner embarrassed himself and his county. He has made himself look like a big baby.
Quote from: greatpoint on January 16, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Bonner must have really got inside Tyrone heads, Ronan McNamee has now made a statement as well as Harte. What's going on? Do Tyrone think this has devalued their treasured McKenna Cup titles?
Doesn't take much mind you.
Quote from: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 16, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Bonner must have really got inside Tyrone heads, Ronan McNamee has now made a statement as well as Harte. What's going on? Do Tyrone think this has devalued their treasured McKenna Cup titles?
Bonner embarrassed himself and his county. He has made himself look like a big baby.
So that's a yes?
Quote from: greatpoint on January 16, 2020, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 16, 2020, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 16, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Bonner must have really got inside Tyrone heads, Ronan McNamee has now made a statement as well as Harte. What's going on? Do Tyrone think this has devalued their treasured McKenna Cup titles?
Bonner embarrassed himself and his county. He has made himself look like a big baby.
So that's a yes?
That Bonner embarrassed himself and proved he was a big baby? Yes.
I like the McKenna Cup as it let's young fellas get a run out - Turbitt for Armagh had a great couple of matches. I am disappointed Donegal didn't field. I seem to remember Armagh playing a McKenna Cup final a week before a national league final or semi final. They gave a few club players a run out and they acquitted themselves well. Think it was the time beefer and McCorry were managers.
On saying that the recent Armagh v Tyrone game - although described as a thriller in reports - wasnt played with much intensity. As usual Tyrone were fit, sharp and focussed. Armagh seemed to start as if it was a challenge match and only started competing when it looked as if Tyrone would run away with it.
Is Jamie Clarke playing with Armagh this year? He's based in London, so will he fly over and back?
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 15, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 14, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2020, 01:29:26 AM
get rid of mckenna cup o byne cup etc and just have a three week period where you can arrange challenge matches
Is there much difference in pre season tournaments and challenge games ?
you don't get to charge a tenner into challenge games. This is the problem, Ulster council don't want to give up the cash they squeeze out of this Mickey mouse 'competition.'
You on about Mickey again!!!,
Is the final being broadcast live anywhere
Tg4 YouTube
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
Is Jamie Clarke playing with Armagh this year? He's based in London, so will he fly over and back?
He isn't based in London
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
Is Jamie Clarke playing with Armagh this year? He's based in London, so will he fly over and back?
Armagh could fly over Aubameyang and Tammy Abraham with him but they will still be dung! ;D
Did Tyrone mentor Gavin Devlin get his 6 month suspension lifted as it would not expire until early March?
He initially got a 24 week suspension imposed from date of hearing.
Irish News reported as follows:-
TYRONE assistant-manager Gavin Devlin could miss the Dr McKenna Cup and the opening rounds of the Red Hand county's Division One campaign after he was suspended for 24 weeks following an incident which took place at a National U15 Academy Tournament match between Tyrone and Down on July 27.
The Ardboe native was charged with an alleged breach of Rule 7.2 (d): "Disruptive Conduct by a supporter (not causing the Premature Termination of a game)" and requested a hearing on Monday.
At the hearing his offence was deemed to be "proven" and the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee imposed a 24-week ban which will run from the date of the hearing, not the date of his alleged offence.
Devlin has the option of appealing against the decision but if it stands he could be suspended until March 9 which would rule him out of Tyrone's defence of their Dr McKenna Cup title and the early stages of the National Football League – the 2020 fixtures have yet to be released but in 2019 five rounds had been played by March 3.
A snooze fest that McKenna cup final was. Will be a big shock if under Banty Monaghan avoid Division 1 relegation.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 18, 2020, 09:08:01 PM
A snooze fest that McKenna cup final was. Will be a big shock if under Banty Monaghan avoid Division 1 relegation.
Tyrone winning in Armagh's HQ will never be boring even tho' to Armagh people it's become as regular as the sun rising and setting! ;D
Quote from: under the bar on January 18, 2020, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 18, 2020, 09:08:01 PM
A snooze fest that McKenna cup final was. Will be a big shock if under Banty Monaghan avoid Division 1 relegation.
Tyrone winning in Armagh's HQ will never be boring even tho' to Armagh people it's become as regular as the sun rising and setting! ;D
Yay Tyrone win their 427th McKenna cup!
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Quote from: screenexile on January 19, 2020, 12:00:17 AM
Quote from: under the bar on January 18, 2020, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 18, 2020, 09:08:01 PM
A snooze fest that McKenna cup final was. Will be a big shock if under Banty Monaghan avoid Division 1 relegation.
Tyrone winning in Armagh's HQ will never be boring even tho' to Armagh people it's become as regular as the sun rising and setting! ;D
Yay Tyrone win their 427th McKenna cup!
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Only a Derry person would scoff at another county for winning matches. A strange breed.
A decision taken at Central Council today has cleared the way for Ulster GAA to consider running the McKenna Cup competition in 2022. "It was agreed to allow Provincial pre-season competitions to proceed and recommence collective training on 8th December"
Quote from: never kickt a ball on November 20, 2021, 06:52:34 PM
A decision taken at Central Council today has cleared the way for Ulster GAA to consider running the McKenna Cup competition in 2022. "It was agreed to allow Provincial pre-season competitions to proceed and recommence collective training on 8th December"
Late December or early January start?
Armagh line-up for tonight v Cavan.
1. Hughes
2. Finn
3. McKay
4. Ciaran Mackin
5. Connaire Mackin
6. McCabe
7. J óg Burns
8. Sheridan
9. Grimley
10. Jemar
11. Nugent
12. Campbell
13. Grugan
14. Rian
15. Forker
The defence still fills ya with dread but then this comp is all about trying new things. lets see how it goes.
Is there any streaming for these games?
edit found it https://www.beosport.live/videos/ulster-gaa-mckenna-cup-cavan-v-armagh
Quote from: armaghniac on January 06, 2022, 05:54:50 PM
Is there any streaming for these games?
edit found it https://www.beosport.live/videos/ulster-gaa-mckenna-cup-cavan-v-armagh
Bit difficult to justify a tenner for a first week in January McKenna Cup game.
Some consideration for circumstances wouldn't have gone amiss either. The middle of the biggest covid wave, the freezing weather, the travelling time from Armagh to Cavan for a game that won't be over til after 9pm on a Thursday evening.
Would've done a fiver, but I'll be making do with Northern Sound at that price.
*Cavan 2pt to no score up after 11 minutes in what sounds like a predictable shite January evening offering.
*Armagh 0-6 Cavan 0-3 H/T
*Armagh 1-12 Cavan 0-11 F/T
Armagh 1-12 Cavan 0-11 it finished. Dirty diesel blown out before a very challenging division one campaign.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on January 06, 2022, 07:57:50 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 06, 2022, 05:54:50 PM
Is there any streaming for these games?
edit found it https://www.beosport.live/videos/ulster-gaa-mckenna-cup-cavan-v-armagh
Bit difficult to justify a tenner for a first week in January McKenna Cup game.
Some consideration for circumstances wouldn't have gone amiss either. The middle of the biggest covid wave, the freezing weather, the travelling time from Armagh to Cavan for a game that won't be over til after 9pm on a Thursday evening.
Would've done a fiver, but I'll be making do with Northern Sound at that price.
*Cavan 2pt to no score up after 11 minutes in what sounds like a predictable shite January evening offering.
*Armagh 0-6 Cavan 0-3 H/T
*Armagh 1-12 Cavan 0-11 F/T
Agreed but then again I remember fighting with the Ulster Council years about not offering student rates to matches involving university teams ( I was working for the students Union at the time). So I'm not really surprised.
Do tickets need to be bought online?
I was able to watch it for free through the ulster gaa twitter link. The twitter browser didn't ask for payment just loaded the link directly. Cavan missed some serious goal chances, great soccer pass by O'Neill to release McQuillan for the goal with last kick of game.
I meant paying to actually attend the game, do tickets need bought in advance?
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 06, 2022, 11:35:12 PM
I was able to watch it for free through the ulster gaa twitter link. The twitter browser didn't ask for payment just loaded the link directly. Cavan missed some serious goal chances, great soccer pass by O'Neill to release McQuillan for the goal with last kick of game.
Cavan should have won that game by 4/5 points such were the chances they missed. That doesn't augur well for Armagh who came out with quite a strong lineup. For Cavan we are still struggling to unearth new players.
Quote from: Itchy on January 07, 2022, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 06, 2022, 11:35:12 PM
I was able to watch it for free through the ulster gaa twitter link. The twitter browser didn't ask for payment just loaded the link directly. Cavan missed some serious goal chances, great soccer pass by O'Neill to release McQuillan for the goal with last kick of game.
Cavan should have won that game by 4/5 points such were the chances they missed. That doesn't augur well for Armagh who came out with quite a strong lineup. For Cavan we are still struggling to unearth new players.
Both teams missed a glut of chances and could easily have scored 3 or 4 goals each albeit Cavans all came in quick succession and likely would have had a far bigger impact on the game had they been taken. Some of what Armagh did against a packed defence was good but a lot was ultimately let down by poor decision making.
Defensively Armagh looked alright when they got their defensive structure in place but were very poor when that broke down with players really struggling when having to defend one on one. I thought it was a decent enough game given the conditions and time of year. Don't see Cavan having a hard time in Div 4 this year. Armagh will need to improve to stay in Div 1 though.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 06, 2022, 11:57:41 PM
I meant paying to actually attend the game, do tickets need bought in advance?
Its most likely prep paid ticket only ... not 100% sure
The weak spot for Armagh has been obvious for a few seasons now and that is the lack of good defenders, particularly a defensive general at 3 and 6. I didn't see the game last night but barring Ciaran Mackin there were no new players trialled last night. if they aren't trialled in McKenna cup games then you would presume that there is little new talent coming into the team this season.
I would like to see McCambridge and Heffron from CE given a chance. Maybe they are still resting after a long club season but those 2 players have the ability to step up if they are able to commit. I'm not sure if there are many others within the county but defenders are what is badly needed.
Watched the brief highlights of the Armagh v Cavan match on youtube there. McKiernan with the freedom of the park it seems.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 07, 2022, 01:05:59 PM
The weak spot for Armagh has been obvious for a few seasons now and that is the lack of good defenders, particularly a defensive general at 3 and 6. I didn't see the game last night but barring Ciaran Mackin there were no new players trialled last night. if they aren't trialled in McKenna cup games then you would presume that there is little new talent coming into the team this season.
I would like to see McCambridge and Heffron from CE given a chance. Maybe they are still resting after a long club season but those 2 players have the ability to step up if they are able to commit. I'm not sure if there are many others within the county but defenders are what is badly needed.
Yeah didnt see the game myself but the 2 CE lads you mentioned would definitely improve the defence. Kennedy is a big loss.
You can watch the Derry and Monaghan game for free whilst using the twitter browser through ulster gaa page
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 07, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
You can watch the Derry and Monaghan game for free whilst using the twitter browser through ulster gaa page
It was just £10 on beospórt.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 07, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
You can watch the Derry and Monaghan game for free whilst using the twitter browser through ulster gaa page
An error that they don't realise while linking stream?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2022, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 07, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
You can watch the Derry and Monaghan game for free whilst using the twitter browser through ulster gaa page
An error that they don't realise while linking stream?
I don't know I noticed it only worked for me and my dad on certain versions of the browser
Down made 7 subs in their game; is that new?
Unlimited subs in the McKenna cup. I assume the same for all the pre-season competitions.
Quote from: Jimmy on January 09, 2022, 04:00:05 PM
Unlimited subs in the McKenna cup. I assume the same for all the pre-season competitions.
Yeah - it's either unlimited or a very generous amount of subs in the pre-season competitions.
Quote from: Jimmy on January 09, 2022, 04:00:05 PM
Unlimited subs in the McKenna cup. I assume the same for all the pre-season competitions.
All 11 can be used in FBD.
Quote from: David McKeown on January 08, 2022, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2022, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 07, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
You can watch the Derry and Monaghan game for free whilst using the twitter browser through ulster gaa page
An error that they don't realise while linking stream?
I don't know I noticed it only worked for me and my dad on certain versions of the browser
Not working for me tonight anyway.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 11, 2022, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 08, 2022, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2022, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 07, 2022, 07:33:53 PM
You can watch the Derry and Monaghan game for free whilst using the twitter browser through ulster gaa page
An error that they don't realise while linking stream?
I don't know I noticed it only worked for me and my dad on certain versions of the browser
Not working for me tonight anyway.
Working for me. I clicked the 'login' link instead of the 'buy' link. Maybe it's working because I already have an account. Pretty sure I'm not being charged for this tonight.
On the game itself, very pedestrian and cavan well worth their 8 points to 2 lead at the water break.
Be interested to see if Tyrone can claw back a 10 point deficit. I'm sure they won't want to lose this game regardless of the circumstances.
Quote from: Westside on January 11, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Be interested to see if Tyrone can claw back a 10 point deficit. I'm sure they won't want to lose this game regardless of the circumstances.
I'm sure they arent too worried. Probably still drunk from America.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2022, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 11, 2022, 08:58:45 PM
Be interested to see if Tyrone can claw back a 10 point deficit. I'm sure they won't want to lose this game regardless of the circumstances.
I'm sure they arent too worried. Probably still drunk from America.
Think they only got back on Sunday but its worse than I expected lol. Cavan were always going to be up for it.
Not many of the america ones lined out tonight.
Jaysus Tyrone were cat.
We know from last season that the current Tyrone management like a good hammering from one of the traditional powers of the game to kick start their season so tonight was ideal :D.
Hard perhaps for so many young players to come into the team at the same time and would be easier if there had been a few more experienced heads around them, but ultimately none of them took their chance tonight. I'd expect a very different side at the weekend.
Absolute mismatch but Cavan were good and still chasing and pressing the Tyrone men deep into injury time.
Cavan for Sam.
Cavan had a Championship strength team out, fired up and with a decent bit of training done already. Tyrone just home from holidays, no work done and a shell of a team out. Happy with the win but Cavan will get far tougher tests in Division 4.
Quote from: Westside on January 11, 2022, 10:05:44 PM
Cavan had a Championship strength team out, fired up and with a decent bit of training done already. Tyrone just home from holidays, no work done and a shell of a team out. Happy with the win but Cavan will get far tougher tests in Division 4.
Westside, you are mad to convince yourself there are brilliant teams in Div 4!
Division 4 teams won't be coming back from a piss up in America. They obviously won't be brilliant but will play with a lot more hunger then tonight.
Leitrim in Carrick will be up for Cavan
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2022, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 11, 2022, 10:05:44 PM
Cavan had a Championship strength team out, fired up and with a decent bit of training done already. Tyrone just home from holidays, no work done and a shell of a team out. Happy with the win but Cavan will get far tougher tests in Division 4.
Westside, you are mad to convince yourself there are brilliant teams in Div 4!
In fairness we will undoubtedly get tougher games than what Tyrone provided tonight. Which isn't a high bar.
And yes I may lowering my own expectations after the shit show of 2021. ;D
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Some win for Cavan. Was Larry Reilly playing?
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
12 of the 15 Tyrone starters were on the All Ireland panel last year, with Meyler, Kilpatrick and McKernan coming on also
Quote from: clarshack on January 11, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
Some win for Cavan. Was Larry Reilly playing?
He started but took off after 2 mins when he had us 8 nil up
Tyrone only started with 4 from the All Ireland final, says it all. Its the McKenna Cup and maybe the new management don't have the same feelings towards it as Harte did.
Quote from: greatpoint on January 11, 2022, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2022, 08:49:46 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 11, 2022, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
If Cavan won the All Ireland and lost their next game by 15 points to a Div 4 team people would be calling it a "fluke" all ireland. :-X
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2022, 08:49:46 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 11, 2022, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
If Cavan won the All Ireland and lost their next game by 15 points to a Div 4 team people would be calling it a "fluke" all ireland. :-X
Especially if it was 'only' Mayo they beat. :'(
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2022, 08:49:46 AM
Quote from: greatpoint on January 11, 2022, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
If Cavan won the All Ireland and lost their next game by 15 points to a Div 4 team people would be calling it a "fluke" all ireland. :-X
Bit like their "fluke" Ulster ;) You'd like to think Cavan will be a solid Division 2 team before long and we'll see how flukey Tyrones All Ireland was, they were probably saving themselves for Saturday to beat Armagh by about 30 points :-[ :-[
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Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
If Cavan won the All Ireland and lost their next game by 15 points to a Div 4 team people would be calling it a "fluke" all ireland. :-X
Bit like their "fluke" Ulster ;) You'd like to think Cavan will be a solid Division 2 team before long and we'll see how flukey Tyrones All Ireland was, they were probably saving themselves for Saturday to beat Armagh by about 30 points :-[ :-[
It might well have been a fluke AI title in the sense that very few would see Tyrone as being the best team in Ireland but it still counts the exact same as one where they had to go through 10 matches to win it. A bit like Derry last year, Cavan are not really a division 4 team either - more likely a division 2/3 team.
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Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
If Cavan won the All Ireland and lost their next game by 15 points to a Div 4 team people would be calling it a "fluke" all ireland. :-X
Bit like their "fluke" Ulster ;) You'd like to think Cavan will be a solid Division 2 team before long and we'll see how flukey Tyrones All Ireland was, they were probably saving themselves for Saturday to beat Armagh by about 30 points :-[ :-[
Great to see an Armagh supporter so defensive of Tyrone, it's nice to see and would warm the heart. My point of course was tongue in cheek as Cavans last Ulster, won from preliminary round with 4 games in 4 weeks has been called a fluke in some quarters.
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Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
If Cavan won the All Ireland and lost their next game by 15 points to a Div 4 team people would be calling it a "fluke" all ireland. :-X
Bit like their "fluke" Ulster ;) You'd like to think Cavan will be a solid Division 2 team before long and we'll see how flukey Tyrones All Ireland was, they were probably saving themselves for Saturday to beat Armagh by about 30 points :-[ :-[
Great to see an Armagh supporter so defensive of Tyrone, it's nice to see and would warm the heart. My point of course was tongue in cheek as Cavans last Ulster, won from preliminary round with 4 games in 4 weeks has been called a fluke in some quarters.
Mine was tongue in cheek as well ;). As far as I can recall the All Ireland wasn't even played last year no one won it!!
Tyrone finished the match with 14 men as Richie Donnelly was sent off midway through the second half.
What happened here?
Quote from: Dire Ear on January 12, 2022, 01:53:26 PM
Tyrone finished the match with 14 men as Richie Donnelly was sent off midway through the second half.
What happened here?
He got a yellow earlier in match. Geary started a row pulling Killian Brady to the ground when he was running for a kick out, there was a mass of pushing and shoving and 4 yellows were handed out Donnelly got one and so a red too.
Cheers
They finished with 13?
smart money is on Cavan this year. Super team..
If Tyrone could get the finger out and beat Armagh this weekend that would be great. An extra game before the league would be ideal for Cavan.
That referee was brutal last night too. Stupidly strict on overcarrying.
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
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They finished with 13?
No they had a black card mid way through 2nd half, hecwas back on before the end
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Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
Only? The All-Ireland Champions lost by 15 points to a Division 4 team first game out. Has that ever happened before?
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Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
Only? The All-Ireland Champions lost by 15 points to a Division 4 team first game out. Has that ever happened before?
Dunno, enjoy the deep dive and tell us all the findings of this groundbreaking research when complete, as for Tyrone they bet Armagh on their home patch first game out so not applicable to the 2021 champs, there I shaved 1 minute off your search
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Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2022, 10:46:21 PM
Still an impressive win by a Division 4 side over the All Ireland Champions. Tyrone had McGeary, Hampsey, Harte, McCurry and Meyler playing and a few other starters.
Didn't realise they'd so many of the All-Ireland team playing, Christ.
Only home from Florida ffs. The same huers conceded 6 goals to Kerry in the league not that long before knocking them out of the championship.
Only? The All-Ireland Champions lost by 15 points to a Division 4 team first game out. Has that ever happened before?
Dunno, enjoy the deep dive and tell us all the findings of this groundbreaking research when complete, as for Tyrone they bet Armagh on their home patch first game out so not applicable to the 2021 champs, there I shaved 1 minute off your search
What are you talking about? Why are you getting worked up?
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
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Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
yeah i was wondering the same, beo sport is hardly available on the firestick, unless you have an iptv provider that pays for the games surely?
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Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
yeah i was wondering the same, beo sport is hardly available on the firestick, unless you have an iptv provider that pays for the games surely?
Available on the GaaGo channels on the Firestick
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Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
yeah i was wondering the same, beo sport is hardly available on the firestick, unless you have an iptv provider that pays for the games surely?
Available on the GaaGo channels on the Firestick
I actually tried the GaaGo channels i have on mine but none showed Down v Antrim.
I take it you mean iptv and not an offiical app on the firestick?
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Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
yeah i was wondering the same, beo sport is hardly available on the firestick, unless you have an iptv provider that pays for the games surely?
Available on the GaaGo channels on the Firestick
I actually tried the GaaGo channels i have on mine but none showed Down v Antrim.
I take it you mean iptv and not an offiical app on the firestick?
Yeah IPTV on the firestick. £40 a year - Bargain!!
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Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
yeah i was wondering the same, beo sport is hardly available on the firestick, unless you have an iptv provider that pays for the games surely?
Available on the GaaGo channels on the Firestick
I actually tried the GaaGo channels i have on mine but none showed Down v Antrim.
I take it you mean iptv and not an offiical app on the firestick?
Yeah IPTV on the firestick. £40 a year - Bargain!!
I will keep an eye out on my iptv at the weekend, although i am surprised GAAGo can show them live when Beo Sport are the ones streaming it and charging for it.
Maybe just your one the guy that runs it pays for Beo Sport as part of it, which is pretty good!
HT Donegal 2-5 Derry 0-6
Think Donegal have the stronger side out, so far.
https://donegalgaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Donegal-v-Derry-PDF.pdf (https://donegalgaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Donegal-v-Derry-PDF.pdf)
Penalties in the Athletic Grounds!
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 18, 2022, 09:33:10 PM
Penalties in the Athletic Grounds!
Hall points his penalty all other penalties was well taken. A shoot out might be grand to decide a January Mckenna cup game however it would be a poor way to decide a championship match.
Monaghan win 5-4
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Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2022, 04:26:59 PM
Great that these games are free to watch on the Firestick. Enjoyed the Down & Antrim game last night, very enjoyable game for the time of year.
What channel. I could not get them
yeah i was wondering the same, beo sport is hardly available on the firestick, unless you have an iptv provider that pays for the games surely?
Available on the GaaGo channels on the Firestick
I actually tried the GaaGo channels i have on mine but none showed Down v Antrim.
I take it you mean iptv and not an offiical app on the firestick?
Yeah IPTV on the firestick. £40 a year - Bargain!!
I will keep an eye out on my iptv at the weekend, although i am surprised GAAGo can show them live when Beo Sport are the ones streaming it and charging for it.
Maybe just your one the guy that runs it pays for Beo Sport as part of it, which is pretty good!
watched Armagh Monaghan match through the firestick on beosport channel, never missed a beat. Great match as well.
Some day Geezer will get Armagh to a final. Probably in 2028.
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2022, 09:46:39 PM
Some day Geezer will get Armagh to a final. Probably in 2028.
Might be too early, he reckons 2030 , peter Canavan in as forwards coach since 2026 but needs more time for them to adapt his ideas
Nothing has changed then really. Armagh repeatedly fouling Monaghan players in scoring positions. My god it's frustrating. Also, last few mins. Get a score and don't press up on their kickout. Repeatedly let Monaghan have free possession with the game in the melting pot.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 18, 2022, 10:43:54 PM
Nothing has changed then really. Armagh repeatedly fouling Monaghan players in scoring positions. My god it's frustrating. Also, last few mins. Get a score and don't press up on their kickout. Repeatedly let Monaghan have free possession with the game in the melting pot.
Score count from frees was 7-7, so maybe not just Armagh who should be concerned with fouling.
But with about 20 substitutions between both teams, including the removal of key players while the game was in the melting pot, this was a challenge game in all but name. Just miles in the legs for men before the league begins.
So a bit daft to try to analyse much from it. The league game between the two sides will be massive, with the loser really having their work cut out to stay up. That game is just a month away, and there was plenty of powder to be kept dry in advance of it.
Martin McHugh was hoping for Monaghan in the Highland commentary.
Nothing to do with Monaghan or the McKenna Cup per se.
Just didn't want to play Armagh when we've already two meaningful games lined up against them in the coming months.
Well regardless of the motive, it feels just nice to be wanted in these hard times.
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Well regardless of the motive, it feels just nice to be wanted in these hard times.
;D
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Nothing has changed then really. Armagh repeatedly fouling Monaghan players in scoring positions. My god it's frustrating. Also, last few mins. Get a score and don't press up on their kickout. Repeatedly let Monaghan have free possession with the game in the melting pot.
Score count from frees was 7-7, so maybe not just Armagh who should be concerned with fouling.
But with about 20 substitutions between both teams, including the removal of key players while the game was in the melting pot, this was a challenge game in all but name. Just miles in the legs for men before the league begins.
So a bit daft to try to analyse much from it. The league game between the two sides will be massive, with the loser really having their work cut out to stay up. That game is just a month away, and there was plenty of powder to be kept dry in advance of it.
I dont know. Every game is there to be won, glorified friendly or not. Lessons to be learned for players and coaches alike. Years and years of persistent fouling by the Armagh team should not be dismissed because of the occasion IMO. There are no signs that this is being addressed.
I live in hope for an improvement in the league then.
That being said there were some very good performances on the night. Midfield and Forwards still look strong, with Turbitt also still to join for the league.
The Mc Kenna Cup serves a purpose for getting ready for the season they are glorified challenge games.
Quote from: skeog on January 19, 2022, 09:37:19 AM
The Mc Kenna Cup serves a purpose for getting ready for the season they are glorified challenge games.
Its either a competition or its not, its either a challenge game or its not
Armagh compete for 4 trophies this year, McKenna Cup, National League, Ulster and Sam
Winning is a habit and has to start somewhere
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Quote from: Ed Ricketts on January 18, 2022, 11:39:33 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 18, 2022, 10:43:54 PM
Nothing has changed then really. Armagh repeatedly fouling Monaghan players in scoring positions. My god it's frustrating. Also, last few mins. Get a score and don't press up on their kickout. Repeatedly let Monaghan have free possession with the game in the melting pot.
Score count from frees was 7-7, so maybe not just Armagh who should be concerned with fouling.
But with about 20 substitutions between both teams, including the removal of key players while the game was in the melting pot, this was a challenge game in all but name. Just miles in the legs for men before the league begins.
So a bit daft to try to analyse much from it. The league game between the two sides will be massive, with the loser really having their work cut out to stay up. That game is just a month away, and there was plenty of powder to be kept dry in advance of it.
I dont know. Every game is there to be won, glorified friendly or not. Lessons to be learned for players and coaches alike. Years and years of persistent fouling by the Armagh team should not be dismissed because of the occasion IMO. There are no signs that this is being addressed.
I live in hope for an improvement in the league then.
That being said there were some very good performances on the night. Midfield and Forwards still look strong, with Turbitt also still to join for the league.
God love your optimism - I'd say there isn't a hope in hell that Armagh's culture of persistent fouling/awful tackling will change until Geezer moves on.
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Brave decision by Monaghan not to use any subs.
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Monaghan have full control of this final and six ahead at half time. .
Why did Donegal keep Declan Bonner on for yet another year? They have a pick as good as any team in Ulster however won't get close to reaching their potential with Bonner in charge.
Bonner sent to the stands
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 22, 2022, 05:38:38 PM
Monaghan have full control of this final and six ahead at half time. .
Why did Donegal keep Declan Bonner on for yet another year? They have a pick as good as any team in Ulster however won't get close to reaching their potential with Bonner in charge.
Don't think this game has much relevance to anything, but based on Championship it's a very fair question.
Felt it was time for a change after last season myself, so not expecting much this season. If it goes as the past few had I expect it to be his last.
Donegal go down fighting in a match they were poor for 3 quarters. FT Monaghan 1-11 Donegal 0-13.
Championes, Championes, Ole Ole Ole
Take home message:
We are fucked when Michael Murphy hangs up his boots! :)
Quote from: J70 on January 22, 2022, 06:38:20 PM
Take home message:
We are fucked when Michael Murphy hangs up his boots! :)
One the all time greats
Interesting at end Beggan wasted a full minute taking the free yet ref made no allowance. Is he not allowed to account for time wasted like that?
How long was the ball in play for during the three minutes of injury time? Surely the ref had to add a bit of time on.
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
Interesting at end Beggan wasted a full minute taking the free yet ref made no allowance. Is he not allowed to account for time wasted like that?
Between Monaghan's final free, as well as the checking of Donegal's forward mark, up ball, and subsequent free from Murphy, there was precious little football played in those injury time minutes.
Genuine question - when is the last time mcbrearty delivered a big performance for Donegal.. and yes doesn't look good for the future when Murphy retires
I don't think he has been the same player since the knee injury. Lost a bit of pace.
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
Interesting at end Beggan wasted a full minute taking the free yet ref made no allowance. Is he not allowed to account for time wasted like that?
That ref isn't fit for purpose, perhaps his stature is an impediment, though he's only one in a long line of refs who falls for the McHugh simulation, as blatant as the 3 card trick.
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
Interesting at end Beggan wasted a full minute taking the free yet ref made no allowance. Is he not allowed to account for time wasted like that?
Unless the ref deems it to be deliberate time wasting, the clock keeps ticking.
Another great way to wind down the clock is to get booked. Clock doesn't stop while the ref is asking for your name and issuing the card.
Anyone who watches ladies football regularly will have seen these and noted the clock counting down.
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2022, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
Interesting at end Beggan wasted a full minute taking the free yet ref made no allowance. Is he not allowed to account for time wasted like that?
Unless the ref deems it to be deliberate time wasting, the clock keeps ticking.
Another great way to wind down the clock is to get booked. Clock doesn't stop while the ref is asking for your name and issuing the card.
Anyone who watches ladies football regularly will have seen these and noted the clock counting down.
Up to the ref to enforce, sadly it rarely is enforced. If there is 4 minutes of extra time how can anyone justify taking 25%of that time up for 1 free kick. Adding on the wasted time would soon stop it
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Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2022, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2022, 06:39:56 PM
Interesting at end Beggan wasted a full minute taking the free yet ref made no allowance. Is he not allowed to account for time wasted like that?
Unless the ref deems it to be deliberate time wasting, the clock keeps ticking.
Another great way to wind down the clock is to get booked. Clock doesn't stop while the ref is asking for your name and issuing the card.
Anyone who watches ladies football regularly will have seen these and noted the clock counting down.
Up to the ref to enforce, sadly it rarely is enforced. If there is 4 minutes of extra time how can anyone justify taking 25%of that time up for 1 free kick. Adding on the wasted time would soon stop it
But as I said, you're entitled to take time over a free kick and the clock keeps ticking.
Don't foul if you're behind and time is near up, is the way to stop it.
I'll stop the watch and tell them it won't start until he's fit to take the free, if they want to fanny about looking for balls or acting the maggot then expect the clock to stop. Refs call to add time he see's fit, and if in injury time they are taking the piss add some more, but explain and show the watch to the players
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Section A
Monaghan
Down
Donegal
Section B
Tyrone
Fermanagh
Derry
Section C
Armagh
Cavan
Antrim
Semi finals winner of each group and the best 2nd placed team
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 13, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Section A
Monaghan
Down
Donegal
Section B
Tyrone
Fermanagh
Derry
Section C
Armagh
Cavan
Antrim
Semi finals winner of each group and the best 2nd placed team
They'll have to reopen Casement for a full house semi final between Armagh and Tyrone.
Cmon Tyrone, bring the Dr home.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 13, 2022, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 13, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Section A
Monaghan
Down
Donegal
Section B
Tyrone
Fermanagh
Derry
Section C
Armagh
Cavan
Antrim
Semi finals winner of each group and the best 2nd placed team
They'll have to reopen Casement for a full house semi final between Armagh and Tyrone.
And an outside of the right foot point from Calvan
Quote from: ONeill on December 13, 2022, 09:56:13 PM
Cmon Tyrone, bring the Dr home.
That's probably the only way you're likely to see a doctor these days!
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Quote from: ONeill on December 13, 2022, 09:56:13 PM
Cmon Tyrone, bring the Dr home.
That's probably the only way you're likely to see a doctor these days!
I know, demand is insane and surgeries can't cope with the daily barrage of crap
Is the final not included in the £25 TV coverage above
I'm guessing it will be shown on TG4 as in their Ulster Club coverage they didn't include the televised games.
Bit of stroll for Armagh so far leading 1-10 to 0-4 at half time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2023, 08:18:29 PM
Bit of stroll for Armagh so far leading 1-10 to 0-4 at half time.
Div 1 v div 3 ... you'd be worried if it wasn't
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2023, 08:18:29 PM
Bit of stroll for Armagh so far leading 1-10 to 0-4 at half time.
Div 1 v div 3 ... you'd be worried if it wasn't
Pre season comps is the opportunity for Div 3 and 4 teams to at least be competitive against Div 1 opposition as they are in experimental mode. Armagh 12 points winners.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2023, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2023, 08:18:29 PM
Bit of stroll for Armagh so far leading 1-10 to 0-4 at half time.
Div 1 v div 3 ... you'd be worried if it wasn't
Pre season comps is the opportunity for Div 3 and 4 teams to at least be competitive against Div 1 opposition as they are in experimental mode. Armagh 12 points winners.
Was that a second string Armagh team?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2023, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 04, 2023, 08:18:29 PM
Bit of stroll for Armagh so far leading 1-10 to 0-4 at half time.
Div 1 v div 3 ... you'd be worried if it wasn't
Pre season comps is the opportunity for Div 3 and 4 teams to at least be competitive against Div 1 opposition as they are in experimental mode. Armagh 12 points winners.
Was that a second string Armagh team?
A 1.5 string perhaps, many of the better players played some role for a period, but not Rian O'Neill, Rory Grugan.
Aramgh did rightly for the 4th January, but the Antrim goals revealed a familiar problem, a case of thank you very much Mr Eastwood.
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Bit of stroll for Armagh so far leading 1-10 to 0-4 at half time.
Div 1 v div 3 ... you'd be worried if it wasn't
Pre season comps is the opportunity for Div 3 and 4 teams to at least be competitive against Div 1 opposition as they are in experimental mode. Armagh 12 points winners.
Was that a second string Armagh team?
Around 6 or 7 same starters from the All Ireland quarter final last year.
Armagh made 12 or 13 changes at half time
Antrim were very very poor. First time I've seen a complete 15 be changed. Antrim roping for the Championship maybe :P Doubt Armagh learned much about themselves or Antrim tbh.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 04, 2023, 09:47:05 PM
Antrim were very very poor. First time I've seen a complete 15 be changed. Antrim roping for the Championship maybe :P Doubt Armagh learned much about themselves or Antrim tbh.
A run out to start the year is no harm, but I don't think that it will greatly help Armagh beat Kerry.
Quote from: jmk on January 04, 2023, 09:33:26 PM
Armagh made 12 or 13 changes at half time
Antrim made six before half time..
It's the McKenna cup, I'd say our focus is to stay in (for us) a very competitive div 3..
That will be the sole target this year
Armagh bigger in most departments and moved the ball quick in the first 25 minutes, we took too many balls into tackles and couldn't compete for kick outs
Other results tonight
Monaghan 0-12 Down 2-10
Tyrone 0-17 Fermanagh 1-7
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Quote from: jmk on January 04, 2023, 09:33:26 PM
Armagh made 12 or 13 changes at half time
Antrim made six before half time..
It's the McKenna cup, I'd say our focus is to stay in (for us) a very competitive div 3..
That will be the sole target this year
Armagh bigger in most departments and moved the ball quick in the first 25 minutes, we took too many balls into tackles and couldn't compete for kick outs
Not from a position of strength tho, big difference.
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Armagh made 12 or 13 changes at half time
Antrim made six before half time..
It's the McKenna cup, I'd say our focus is to stay in (for us) a very competitive div 3..
That will be the sole target this year
Armagh bigger in most departments and moved the ball quick in the first 25 minutes, we took too many balls into tackles and couldn't compete for kick outs
Not from a position of strength tho, big difference.
Antrim aren't in a position of strength though, new manager and all that so has his work cut out
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Quote from: jmk on January 04, 2023, 09:33:26 PM
Armagh made 12 or 13 changes at half time
Antrim made six before half time..
It's the McKenna cup, I'd say our focus is to stay in (for us) a very competitive div 3..
That will be the sole target this year
Armagh bigger in most departments and moved the ball quick in the first 25 minutes, we took too many balls into tackles and couldn't compete for kick outs
All about getting miles in the legs, plenty of lads that wouldn't have been starters got chances tonight.
Wasn't overly impressed with Armagh, not that it was a particularly bad performance, just not a great match to watch (and no doubt play in) due to the circumstances. Hard to gauge as Antrim were so poor but don't think too many of the new faces stood out, certainly not in the second half. I can understand why - it's hard to make any sort of impression on a match like that when the game is virtually over and the whole team has more or less been subbed - things become fairly disjointed very quickly. I did however enjoy Soupy's introduction, looked far sharper than anyone else on the pitch, honourable mention for TK who also looked good and hopefully we see more of Turbo in the league. The goals conceded were probably the only blot on what was a satisfactory return for the first week of January. Will probably know a bit more about the newbies v Cavan.
Anyone have a wide count for Armagh last night? For me, it must have been minimal as most shots seemed to be on target. Not a lot to be gained from such a game other than a run out, and a decent crowd of over 4000 in attendance. As said above, Soupy looking sharp, was all over the field.
Quote from: balladmaker on January 05, 2023, 10:19:48 AM
Anyone have a wide count for Armagh last night? For me, it must have been minimal as most shots seemed to be on target. Not a lot to be gained from such a game other than a run out, and a decent crowd of over 4000 in attendance. As said above, Soupy looking sharp, was all over the field.
That stand looked 80% full, was there anyone over the other side?
Biggest crowd we'll face this year! Few shots dropped into keepers hands, but as you say on target for most, score wise the second half was better from our point of view but it is what it is
Down will cause a few shocks this year
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Down will cause a few shocks this year
Jury's out on that one, Monaghan are garbage
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Anyone have a wide count for Armagh last night? For me, it must have been minimal as most shots seemed to be on target. Not a lot to be gained from such a game other than a run out, and a decent crowd of over 4000 in attendance. As said above, Soupy looking sharp, was all over the field.
That stand looked 80% full, was there anyone over the other side?
Biggest crowd we'll face this year! Few shots dropped into keepers hands, but as you say on target for most, score wise the second half was better from our point of view but it is what it is
think around 4.5k
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Down will cause a few shocks this year
Many Kilcoo boys involved?
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Down will cause a few shocks this year
Well they were certainly shocking last year.
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Anyone have a wide count for Armagh last night? For me, it must have been minimal as most shots seemed to be on target. Not a lot to be gained from such a game other than a run out, and a decent crowd of over 4000 in attendance. As said above, Soupy looking sharp, was all over the field.
That stand looked 80% full, was there anyone over the other side?
Biggest crowd we'll face this year! Few shots dropped into keepers hands, but as you say on target for most, score wise the second half was better from our point of view but it is what it is
think around 4.5k
4510 to be official, which is pretty decent for a Wednesday night. I wonder how many streamed it? The commentator wasn't the worst and of course Jimmy Smyth is gold.
That's some turn out!
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That's some turn out!
best support in Ireland
Sure there could have been thousands of Antrim people there. Or maybe not.
I wonder how many season tickets were sold for Armagh this season?
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That's some turn out!
best support in Ireland
Sure there could have been thousands of Antrim people there. Or maybe not.
I wonder how many season tickets were sold for Armagh this season?
I can confirm at least two that I know of :)
Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 01:11:07 PM
Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
19,631, this was probably the last big game in Casement on a day that was quite pleasant for January
(https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/b1dce/36483916.ece/AUTOCROP/w1240/244-_2_-_Read-Only_.jpg)
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 01:11:07 PM
Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
Armagh fans are deluded. Won two games last year and were having Orange Jersey days in Schools ffs.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 01:11:07 PM
Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
19,631, this was probably the last big game in Casement on a day that was quite pleasant for January
(https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/b1dce/36483916.ece/AUTOCROP/w1240/244-_2_-_Read-Only_.jpg)
Was at it, was rammed that day
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Was at it, was rammed that day
I think that game plus the Armagh v Derry game the previous illustrated that there is a crowd in Belfast that could be attracted to Casement.
One wonders if they will ever have the opportunity.
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Was at it, was rammed that day
I think that game plus the Armagh v Derry game the previous illustrated that there is a crowd in Belfast that could be attracted to Casement.
One wonders if they will ever have the opportunity.
We'd a challenge game that morning so we all got dropped off at Casement, we knew it was going to be a big crowd but it just (for that time of year) exceeded expectations
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Was at it, was rammed that day
I think that game plus the Armagh v Derry game the previous illustrated that there is a crowd in Belfast that could be attracted to Casement.
One wonders if they will ever have the opportunity.
We'd a challenge game that morning so we all got dropped off at Casement, we knew it was going to be a big crowd but it just (for that time of year) exceeded expectations
I suspect that if there had been sleet showers that the crowd would have been less.
Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Armagh #5 from Cruppen, Paul Keenan? 17 has the gait of Ciaran McKeever. I wouldn't bet the house on them being correct mind you.
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 01:11:07 PM
Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
Armagh fans are deluded. Won two games last year and were having Orange Jersey days in Schools ffs.
Ah let us be. Been too long since we had something to cheer about ffs.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2023, 11:31:28 PM
Armagh #5 from Cruppen, Paul Keenan? 17 has the gait of Ciaran McKeever. I wouldn't bet the house on them being correct mind you.
5 was Conor O'Neill from Killeavy going by named team.
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
Was the question not in reference to the photo of the Casement game, repeated below?
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 05, 2023, 01:11:07 PM
Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
19,631, this was probably the last big game in Casement on a day that was quite pleasant for January
(https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/b1dce/36483916.ece/AUTOCROP/w1240/244-_2_-_Read-Only_.jpg)
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
Was the question not in reference to the photo of the Casement game, repeated below?
Yeah. 25 looks like Colly Holmes. No. 4 has thrown me though
Mickey mcgee I'd say
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
Was the question not in reference to the photo of the Casement game, repeated below?
Yeah. 25 looks like Colly Holmes. No. 4 has thrown me though
Eoin Bradley Killyclogher?
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
Was the question not in reference to the photo of the Casement game, repeated below?
Yeah. 25 looks like Colly Holmes. No. 4 has thrown me though
I think 4 is Chris Lawn?
25 - Ricey?
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
Was the question not in reference to the photo of the Casement game, repeated below?
Yeah. 25 looks like Colly Holmes. No. 4 has thrown me though
I think 4 is Chris Lawn?
25 - Ricey?
2006 though Lawn was gone wasn't he.
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Armagh #5 from Cruppen, Paul Keenan? 17 has the gait of Ciaran McKeever. I wouldn't bet the house on them being correct mind you.
5 was Conor O'Neill from Killeavy going by named team.
The Noughties photo
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Anyone put names on Armaghs 5 & 17 and Tyrone's 4 & 25 ?
Tyrone 4 was Paudie Hampsey and 25 Liam Nugent
Was the question not in reference to the photo of the Casement game, repeated below?
Yeah. 25 looks like Colly Holmes. No. 4 has thrown me though
Eoin Bradley Killyclogher?
Yeah I think Eoin Bradley as well he was in the squad around that year.
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Armagh #5 from Cruppen, Paul Keenan? 17 has the gait of Ciaran McKeever. I wouldn't bet the house on them being correct mind you.
5 was Conor O'Neill from Killeavy going by named team.
The Noughties photo
D'oh!
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2023, 11:31:28 PM
Armagh #5 from Cruppen, Paul Keenan? 17 has the gait of Ciaran McKeever. I wouldn't bet the house on them being correct mind you.
I think you're right on both.
Quote from: Armamike on January 06, 2023, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 05, 2023, 11:31:28 PM
Armagh #5 from Cruppen, Paul Keenan? 17 has the gait of Ciaran McKeever. I wouldn't bet the house on them being correct mind you.
I think you're right on both.
Aye, McKeever looks like he's heading over to sort out that tussle on the sidelines ;)
Must be him, he's about to clench the fist
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Armagh bring a bring a big following to away games also. Cavan played Armagh last year in the McKenna Cup and it was snowing.
Armagh had a huge crowd there.
There was 20k at a Armagh v Tyrone McKenna Cup game when both teams were strong
19,631, this was probably the last big game in Casement on a day that was quite pleasant for January
(https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/b1dce/36483916.ece/AUTOCROP/w1240/244-_2_-_Read-Only_.jpg)
4 for Tyrone definitely Eoin Bradley, 25 is probably Ryan Mellon or Brian Meenan based on who played and the way Harte named the subs
Raymond Mulgrew??
Definitely Bradley at 4. Think prob Mellon at 25. Or maybe Aidy Ball. Hard to tell.
Another win for the red hands
Think it would be great for Armagh to lift the Dr.
Even to have something.
Derry a very strong team named v Fermanagh
Can't understand it, need to play guys on the bench from last year plus a few new faces. Derry brought in just 3 players, nearly like exchange for 3/4 Glen players missing. could brough in 5/6 more, I wait see what extra Glen lads he brings in. Derry need forwards, not that they had standouts in club fball but he never know if he doesn't call in a few to try them.
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Think it would be great for Armagh to lift the Dr.
Even to have something.
Not sure if we could bring ourselves back down to earth for the league if we won the big one!
Down motoring nicely for a change
Half time scores
Down 2-9 Donegal 1-7
Cavan 2-5 Antrim 0-6
Fermanagh 1-2 Derry 0-4
Results
Down 2-14 Donegal 1-10
Cavan 2-10 Antrim 0-9
Fermanagh 1-4 Derry 0-11
Maggie F should have her whistle stripped and never handed back..
God awful today, and that's from a down man. Pulled donegal back instead of playing on.
Fussy fussy fussy.
Down motoring or is it the case they have more work done than the opposition? Donegal,Monaghan was probably still seeking new management while Down was back to training.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 08, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Down motoring or is it the case they have more work done than the opposition? Donegal,Monaghan was probably still seeking new management while Down was back to training.
Down more organised than they were this time last year.
They might be a good bet for the Tailteann.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 08, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Down motoring or is it the case they have more work done than the opposition? Donegal,Monaghan was probably still seeking new management while Down was back to training.
Down more organised than they were this time last year.
They might be a good bet for the Tailteann.
Will they be playing in the Tailteann cup If they gain promotion in the league?
You wud expect down to have done a lot of work as they didnt win a game last year so it was more important for us that the rest of the teams to get a few wins.
Comfortable enough win for Cavan with a lot of new players mixed with a few of the old established. Probably should have scored 5 goals but for some excellent saves from the Antrim keeper. Antrim were very very poor it must be said.
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Maggie F should have her whistle stripped and never handed back..
God awful today, and that's from a down man. Pulled donegal back instead of playing on.
Fussy fussy fussy.
As a neutral watching it on the Ulster GAA TV I thought she was excellent, let the game flow very well, didn't give any soft frees and generally kept a low profile and let the players play. The incident you refer to was maybe a bit quick to blow, but all the Down players stopped and the Donegal man ran on and scored without anyone trying to stop him, would only have been a point anyway as Down had plenty back.
Fermanagh v Derry was a poor enough game.
Derry will probably take more from it that fermanagh though.
Laclan Murray was really good I thought as was mguigan and Tad.
Big Tohill was ok, plenty of running, won some good ball in the forwards and layed it off for a couple of scores. He looks out of position in the forward line to me though. I'd love to have seen him get a run at MF.
After that, it was a kind of "meh" performance. Probably to be expected given the team has only been training a few weeks.
Legs looked heavy, some really basic handling errors, though conditions were slippy.
Fermanagh really struggle for score. I think they only got 2 in the second half.
Useful run out.
Derry v Tryone on wed night will be interesting.
Can't understand why Tohill not tried at Midfield either, we get horsed out of it under the high ball at Midfield when the pressure on, as we limited kickout options.
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Down motoring or is it the case they have more work done than the opposition? Donegal,Monaghan was probably still seeking new management while Down was back to training.
Down more organised than they were this time last year.
They might be a good bet for the Tailteann.
Will they be playing in the Tailteann cup If they gain promotion in the league?
Looks like they will. With the way a Div 4 team is guaranteed to get to the Connacht final, and that Westmeath are guaranteed as last years winners, it means that there's essentially no place left for others who get promoted from Div 3 to 2. Quite the flaw in the setup there
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Down motoring or is it the case they have more work done than the opposition? Donegal,Monaghan was probably still seeking new management while Down was back to training.
Down more organised than they were this time last year.
They might be a good bet for the Tailteann.
Will they be playing in the Tailteann cup If they gain promotion in the league?
Looks like they will. With the way a Div 4 team is guaranteed to get to the Connacht final, and that Westmeath are guaranteed as last years winners, it means that there's essentially no place left for others who get promoted from Div 3 to 2. Quite the flaw in the setup there
Unfortunate but a year in the TC would do Down no harm, could potentially win it. Maybe they'll get to an Ulster final though. Wouldnt surprise me at all if they had a big year Lavery knows what he's at. Also wouldn't surprise me if he fell out with every non Kilcoo man in the squad lol
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Down motoring or is it the case they have more work done than the opposition? Donegal,Monaghan was probably still seeking new management while Down was back to training.
Down more organised than they were this time last year.
They might be a good bet for the Tailteann.
Will they be playing in the Tailteann cup If they gain promotion in the league?
Looks like they will. With the way a Div 4 team is guaranteed to get to the Connacht final, and that Westmeath are guaranteed as last years winners, it means that there's essentially no place left for others who get promoted from Div 3 to 2. Quite the flaw in the setup there
Unfortunate but a year in the TC would do Down no harm, could potentially win it. Maybe they'll get to an Ulster final though. Wouldnt surprise me at all if they had a big year Lavery knows what he's at. Also wouldn't surprise me if he fell out with every non Kilcoo man in the squad lol
Say if NY beat Leitrim and London beat Sligo, can either of these teams compete in AI last 16 proper? London probably not that big of deal but it would be some headache if NY made Connaught final.
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Cayyvannn still couldnt win the fecking thing!
The talent has always been there in Down as we all now, it's just getting their best players performing like they can do is the issue.
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Delusions of grandeur 😂
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Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Delusions of grandeur 😂
Must be something in the water in Down and Armagh - sure Armagh were suddenly gonna challenge on all fronts after a win over Donegal in the qualifiers and a quarter final loss to Galway
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It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Delusions of grandeur 😂
Must be something in the water in Down and Armagh - sure Armagh were suddenly gonna challenge on all fronts after a win over Donegal in the qualifiers and a quarter final loss to Galway
Down will be copying Armagh and having jersey days at schools across the county to celebrate winning two games.
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Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Delusions of grandeur 😂
Must be something in the water in Down and Armagh - sure Armagh were suddenly gonna challenge on all fronts after a win over Donegal in the qualifiers and a quarter final loss to Galway
Sure we'll see how this year goes won't we.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Cayyvannn still couldnt win the fecking thing!
The talent has always been there in Down as we all now, it's just getting their best players performing like they can do is the issue.
You have issues with your spelling there.
You might list out what Armagh have won there in the last while. It shouldn't take you too long
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2023, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Cayyvannn still couldnt win the fecking thing!
The talent has always been there in Down as we all now, it's just getting their best players performing like they can do is the issue.
You have issues with your spelling there.
You might list out what Armagh have won there in the last while. It shouldn't take you too long
Not a whole pile! But sure it's the hope that kills ye as we all know. Should be some Ulster championship this year. 7 teams capable of beating one another if they get themselves in order.
Down are not gona beat Derry, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal!!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 10:54:16 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on January 10, 2023, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: general_lee on January 10, 2023, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Delusions of grandeur 😂
Must be something in the water in Down and Armagh - sure Armagh were suddenly gonna challenge on all fronts after a win over Donegal in the qualifiers and a quarter final loss to Galway
Sure we'll see how this year goes won't we.
We will indeed ;D
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
Down are not gona beat Derry, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal!!
I guarantee you with the talent they have if they're all pulling the one way they'll give anyone a rattle. Donegal could struggle big time without Murphy this year. Remains to be see what way Derry will be this year will take a lot for them to back up last year!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
Down are not gona beat Derry, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal!!
Down will be concentrating on getting out of Div 3. Anything after that is a bonus. Confidence building is key in Down. We have been on a long losing curve. Nearly 30 years.
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2023, 10:54:25 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Cayyvannn still couldnt win the fecking thing!
The talent has always been there in Down as we all now, it's just getting their best players performing like they can do is the issue.
You have issues with your spelling there.
You might list out what Armagh have won there in the last while. It shouldn't take you too long
Armagh are the All Ireland Qualifier champions 2022
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
Down are not gona beat Derry, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal!!
I guarantee you with the talent they have if they're all pulling the one way they'll give anyone a rattle. Donegal could struggle big time without Murphy this year. Remains to be see what way Derry will be this year will take a lot for them to back up last year!
What talent? Their underage record is awful. They'll be fit and competitive but a few years off breaking through.
I don't fully disagree with you however...
this time last year most people would have said the same about Derry
Ulster is very open these days.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
Down are not gona beat Derry, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal!!
I guarantee you with the talent they have if they're all pulling the one way they'll give anyone a rattle. Donegal could struggle big time without Murphy this year. Remains to be see what way Derry will be this year will take a lot for them to back up last year!
What talent? Their underage record is awful. They'll be fit and competitive but a few years off breaking through.
Did they not win Ulster u20 a year or two ago? Look at their club scene, serious players there.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:23:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 10, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
Down are not gona beat Derry, Armagh, Tyrone or Donegal!!
I guarantee you with the talent they have if they're all pulling the one way they'll give anyone a rattle. Donegal could struggle big time without Murphy this year. Remains to be see what way Derry will be this year will take a lot for them to back up last year!
What talent? Their underage record is awful. They'll be fit and competitive but a few years off breaking through.
Did they not win Ulster u20 a year or two ago? Look at their club scene, serious players there.
Maybe you are closer to it than me but I don't see many of that Kilcoo side as top county material. Gilmore, McElroy and Murdock look talents
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 10, 2023, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
It's amazing, after two games in the McKenna cup Down have gone from total shit to Tailteann Cup winners elect. And some people don't take this trophy seriously 😂
Cayyvannn still couldnt win the fecking thing!
The talent has always been there in Down as we all now, it's just getting their best players performing like they can do is the issue.
I think you're mistaking the fact that Kilcoo won the club AI last year for talent throughout the county. There aren't very many county level football players in Kilcoo imo. McEvoy and possibly Johnstone and thats about it. Apart from one Ulster U=20 title last year they have produced little at underage level in the last decade or so. When it comes to producing talented players Tyrone, Donegal and Derry have consistently been the standard bearers for a while.
Down are miles behind the mighty Tyrone and Derry. We have not been anywhere near competing at any level except for that u20 title in 2021. It will be good to get a bit experience this year against these superstars....
Has semi draw been done at start, or after tonight's games?
Does anyone know is the Armagh - Cavan match streaming anywhere online?
Ulster gaa are showing it
Can you post a link Itchy, they haven't got it listed online
https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/
Actually I see the link only shows Saturdays games. My iptv provider says he's got the stream and there was a 30 quid option to buy all streams, so must be on. Maybe they just haven't updated the website?
Got it
https://page.inplayer.com/ulstergaatv/
Unlike Antrim in the previous game, Cavan providing more of a challenge and useful pre season run out for Armagh. 0-9 to 1-6 at half time.
Cavan 1-14 to 1-9 winners, while Armagh poor 2nd half Cavan are looking in good shape and on the evidence of tonight they should stroll to league promotion.
Handy enough win for Cavan, Armagh with only 1 score in the 2nd half (a fine goal it was). I especially enjoyed the Armagh commentary team who basically reckon Armagh lost because they made too many subs at HT ::)
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Handy enough win for Cavan, Armagh with only 1 score in the 2nd half (a fine goal it was). I especially enjoyed the Armagh commentary team who basically reckon Armagh lost because they made too many subs at HT ::)
10 subs was it? Disappointing not to win but sure all about getting miles in the legs at this stage of the year. See ye in Ulster hopefully Itchy!
Very tough conditions to play in this evening, still good to get the win for Cavan. Are semi finals this weekend? Neutral venues?
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Handy enough win for Cavan, Armagh with only 1 score in the 2nd half (a fine goal it was). I especially enjoyed the Armagh commentary team who basically reckon Armagh lost because they made too many subs at HT ::)
Good first half which set up a potentially enjoyable second half
Armagh made 10 subs at half time and 4 more during the second half .
Disappointing to pay £10 for this tbh
But tbf young guys training hard deserve a run out
Was surprised at Cavan as would have thought they might have made more changes , Galligan we know is a great keeper but if I was the reserve I would be kinda peeved at not getting on and indeed it took Martin Reilly to get injured to be subbed off.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2023, 09:09:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Handy enough win for Cavan, Armagh with only 1 score in the 2nd half (a fine goal it was). I especially enjoyed the Armagh commentary team who basically reckon Armagh lost because they made too many subs at HT ::)
10 subs was it? Disappointing not to win but sure all about getting miles in the legs at this stage of the year. See ye in Ulster hopefully Itchy!
Oh I'd say ye made 20 subs at Half Time and Cavan made no subs at all. And the spine of our 1st team - Faulkner, Gearoid McKiernan, Conor Brady and Paddy Lynch were all playing despite not being there. Hopefully weather be better in the summer for the big one
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2023, 09:09:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Handy enough win for Cavan, Armagh with only 1 score in the 2nd half (a fine goal it was). I especially enjoyed the Armagh commentary team who basically reckon Armagh lost because they made too many subs at HT ::)
10 subs was it? Disappointing not to win but sure all about getting miles in the legs at this stage of the year. See ye in Ulster hopefully Itchy!
Oh I'd say ye made 20 subs at Half Time and Cavan made no subs at all. And the spine of our 1st team - Faulkner, Gearoid McKiernan, Conor Brady and Paddy Lynch were all playing despite not being there. Hopefully weather be better in the summer for the big one
Alas itchy Ulster is now relegated to getting the teams ready for Sam and the Talteann
Strange but true
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2023, 09:09:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
Handy enough win for Cavan, Armagh with only 1 score in the 2nd half (a fine goal it was). I especially enjoyed the Armagh commentary team who basically reckon Armagh lost because they made too many subs at HT ::)
10 subs was it? Disappointing not to win but sure all about getting miles in the legs at this stage of the year. See ye in Ulster hopefully Itchy!
Oh I'd say ye made 20 subs at Half Time and Cavan made no subs at all. And the spine of our 1st team - Faulkner, Gearoid McKiernan, Conor Brady and Paddy Lynch were all playing despite not being there. Hopefully weather be better in the summer for the big one
Near sure I saw Big Joe Kernan with the boots on as well think he got a run out. Yeah hopefully be needing the suncream that day! (If we get over Antrim)
Decent run out for Cavan, Armagh probably not as competitive overall as Antrim but great to get game time into so many debutantes. Armagh have a lot of talent, if they could convince Graham to take the reins when his time is over with Cavan I firmly believe they could be contenders in Ulster.
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
The semifinals are on ulstergaatv, they were included in the £25 competition pass
That wasn't a bad old game in the end between Derry and Tyrone. Tyrone at least looked a football team, unlike last year's McKenna Cup. Poor decision making at key moments in second half cost them the win, there were plenty of good chances to put Derry away. Comeback will be good for Derry's morale I'm sure and it was a towering point at the end to level. Camera didn't follow the incident that led to Hampsey going off so can't comment on that. Disappointing to see a red card as Tyrone's disciple has to be better this year, but again can't say if it was the right call.
Clearly both teams have a way to go and men to bring in - not a performance from either to worry the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Down - but a useful tussle and good to have at least one more competitive game to come before the league.
Cavan v Tyrone Breffini park Sat 5pm
Down v Derry Pairc Esler Sun 1.30pm
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
Quote from: smort on January 11, 2023, 09:30:08 PM
The semifinals are on ulstergaatv, they were included in the £25 competition pass
Hopefully not on at the same time
I was flicking between the 3 games tonight...you end up missing more than you see!
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2023, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
If you have iptv it's probably on it for free
Quote from: Gold on January 11, 2023, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: smort on January 11, 2023, 09:30:08 PM
The semifinals are on ulstergaatv, they were included in the £25 competition pass
Hopefully not on at the same time
I was flicking between the 3 games tonight...you end up missing more than you see!
Although it has to be said...it is a fantastic service from Ulster GAA
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2023, 09:32:28 PM
That wasn't a bad old game in the end between Derry and Tyrone. Tyrone at least looked a football team, unlike last year's McKenna Cup. Poor decision making at key moments in second half cost them the win, there were plenty of good chances to put Derry away. Comeback will be good for Derry's morale I'm sure and it was a towering point at the end to level. Camera didn't follow the incident that led to Hampsey going off so can't comment on that. Disappointing to see a red card as Tyrone's disciple has to be better this year, but again can't say if it was the right call.
Clearly both teams have a way to go and men to bring in - not a performance from either to worry the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Down - but a useful tussle and good to have at least one more competitive game to come before the league.
Hampsey ran into Paudie Cassidy to escalate the situation I think. The cameras caught the start of it. No replays shown. Overall the camera work was fairly poor I thought, maybe it's the Owenbeg setup but the angles and zooms didn't work. £25 for "season pass" (in reality max 5 games) I'd expect better tbh, expectations have grown over the last few years with how great some streaming services are.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 11, 2023, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2023, 09:32:28 PM
That wasn't a bad old game in the end between Derry and Tyrone. Tyrone at least looked a football team, unlike last year's McKenna Cup. Poor decision making at key moments in second half cost them the win, there were plenty of good chances to put Derry away. Comeback will be good for Derry's morale I'm sure and it was a towering point at the end to level. Camera didn't follow the incident that led to Hampsey going off so can't comment on that. Disappointing to see a red card as Tyrone's disciple has to be better this year, but again can't say if it was the right call.
Clearly both teams have a way to go and men to bring in - not a performance from either to worry the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Down - but a useful tussle and good to have at least one more competitive game to come before the league.
Hampsey ran into Paudie Cassidy to escalate the situation I think. The cameras caught the start of it. No replays shown. Overall the camera work was fairly poor I thought, maybe it's the Owenbeg setup but the angles and zooms didn't work. £25 for "season pass" (in reality max 5 games) I'd expect better tbh, expectations have grown over the last few years with how great some streaming services are.
Certainly wasn't enough there for a red, can only presume he went further off camera. Daft to get involved at all to be honest.
Agree the stream is a bit costly for what it is and also a pre season tournament. That said, I was grateful for the option to see the game.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2023, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
Ack, its fine. It's not a monthly charge all year. Takes effort to stream and commentate on it, and I'd happily pay. Its the price of a ticket without needing to travel. It's a way to see it, where there wasn't before, so I'm happy with it as an option
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2023, 09:32:28 PM
That wasn't a bad old game in the end between Derry and Tyrone. Tyrone at least looked a football team, unlike last year's McKenna Cup. Poor decision making at key moments in second half cost them the win, there were plenty of good chances to put Derry away. Comeback will be good for Derry's morale I'm sure and it was a towering point at the end to level. Camera didn't follow the incident that led to Hampsey going off so can't comment on that. Disappointing to see a red card as Tyrone's disciple has to be better this year, but again can't say if it was the right call.
Clearly both teams have a way to go and men to bring in - not a performance from either to worry the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Down - but a useful tussle and good to have at least one more competitive game to come before the league.
Not a performance to troubles the lines of Kerry Dublin or DOWN 😂😂😂😂 ye are a good fisherman
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2023, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 11, 2023, 09:53:46 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 11, 2023, 09:32:28 PM
That wasn't a bad old game in the end between Derry and Tyrone. Tyrone at least looked a football team, unlike last year's McKenna Cup. Poor decision making at key moments in second half cost them the win, there were plenty of good chances to put Derry away. Comeback will be good for Derry's morale I'm sure and it was a towering point at the end to level. Camera didn't follow the incident that led to Hampsey going off so can't comment on that. Disappointing to see a red card as Tyrone's disciple has to be better this year, but again can't say if it was the right call.
Clearly both teams have a way to go and men to bring in - not a performance from either to worry the likes of Dublin, Kerry or Down - but a useful tussle and good to have at least one more competitive game to come before the league.
Hampsey ran into Paudie Cassidy to escalate the situation I think. The cameras caught the start of it. No replays shown. Overall the camera work was fairly poor I thought, maybe it's the Owenbeg setup but the angles and zooms didn't work. £25 for "season pass" (in reality max 5 games) I'd expect better tbh, expectations have grown over the last few years with how great some streaming services are.
Certainly wasn't enough there for a red, can only presume he went further off camera. Daft to get involved at all to be honest.
Agree the stream is a bit costly for what it is and also a pre season tournament. That said, I was grateful for the option to see the game.
A left hook to Tad's jaw lead to Hampsey's red. But to be perfectly honest, the ref had lost the run of the previous minutes play allowing players to mill into each other in the tackle and it was always gonna spill over.
Decent 2nd half which will do both teams no harm leading into the league.
Rogers point and then Murray's were top drawer.
I couldn't make Newry for the Down v Donegal last Sunday, and I thought €12 was good value to see the game. I thought Kevin McKernan was good as the Co commentator.
Went to the game last night not expecting much and I wasn't disappointed. Thought the game was a complete snoozefest until the maybe the last 8 mins when it came alive finally.
McShane was the standout player on the pitch and Derry did well to find a way when they looked pretty rudderless up front for long periods. Murray's point was fantastic to level it and he looks like he's starting to get a bit stronger and get more belief in himself for this level, I hope he can keep it up.
To this day it still amazes me that teams will decide "yeah let's put the big man on the edge of the square" and then proceed to play the ball through the hands at the 45. Derry had 2-3 breaks where there was ample opportunity to put in a long high early ball but decided to slow the ball down and wait for runners. . . what was the point in bringing him on if they didn't plan on using him?
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 11, 2023, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2023, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
Ack, its fine. It's not a monthly charge all year. Takes effort to stream and commentate on it, and I'd happily pay. Its the price of a ticket without needing to travel. It's a way to see it, where there wasn't before, so I'm happy with it as an option
To be honest, I find it better value that going. I was going to go to some of the games, £10 for adults (16+) and £3 for kids. For me to go and take the kids tickets cost me £45. Then add in the price of diesel you're at £60-£70 for a pre-season game. Too costly.
So £10 to watch at home is ok with me, especially on a cold wet Jan night.
Derry v Tyrone was really a game of 2 halves. Though it looks like weather conditions contributed heavily to that, with Derry taking only short frees within the 45 in the first half. In the 2nd half Tyrone missed a few "easy" frees at that same end.
The game had a bit of bite and excitment in the last 20.
I really wasn't expecting Derry to get much from this game but they really stepped it up and Laclan Murray has followed up a good game against Fermanagh with another fine performance. Hopefully that continues this year.
Defensively, both teams set up similarly.
Tyrone seemed to have a bit more in attack, but Derry's running game eventually wore down the Tyrone defence.
Fitness seems to have improved even from the Fermanagh game, and given they've only been training since December they are in decent shape.
Tyrone look like they've started to shake off the poor year last year. I'd expect to see a stronger side this year. They had a defender, McCarron I think, did and excellent job on MgGuigan, looks like he could be a find. The Jones brothers didnt even get a sub appearance even though one of them got motm the last game which I found strange.
I didn't really catch much of the melee on the camera, but it did look like someone on the Tyrone management team was getting involved in verbals with a Derry player. No idea what the red was for, perhaps contributing to a melee? Yellow par for the course in these sorts of things and with McKinless already on a yellow he can prob have no complaints about a 2nd.
I see the semi line up is Down v Derry and Cavan v Tyrone. Last night it was Down v Tyrone and Derry v Cavan. What happened there? Is it an open draw for the semis?
No big deal, just wondering.
Good to get another competitive game before the league starts.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2023, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 11, 2023, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2023, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
Ack, its fine. It's not a monthly charge all year. Takes effort to stream and commentate on it, and I'd happily pay. Its the price of a ticket without needing to travel. It's a way to see it, where there wasn't before, so I'm happy with it as an option
To be honest, I find it better value that going. I was going to go to some of the games, £10 for adults (16+) and £3 for kids. For me to go and take the kids tickets cost me £45. Then add in the price of diesel you're at £60-£70 for a pre-season game. Too costly.
So £10 to watch at home is ok with me, especially on a cold wet Jan night.
Derry v Tyrone was really a game of 2 halves. Though it looks like weather conditions contributed heavily to that, with Derry taking only short frees within the 45 in the first half. In the 2nd half Tyrone missed a few "easy" frees at that same end.
The game had a bit of bite and excitment in the last 20.
I really wasn't expecting Derry to get much from this game but they really stepped it up and Laclan Murray has followed up a good game against Fermanagh with another fine performance. Hopefully that continues this year.
Defensively, both teams set up similarly.
Tyrone seemed to have a bit more in attack, but Derry's running game eventually wore down the Tyrone defence.
Fitness seems to have improved even from the Fermanagh game, and given they've only been training since December they are in decent shape.
Tyrone look like they've started to shake off the poor year last year. I'd expect to see a stronger side this year. They had a defender, McCarron I think, did and excellent job on MgGuigan, looks like he could be a find. The Jones brothers didnt even get a sub appearance even though one of them got motm the last game which I found strange.
I didn't really catch much of the melee on the camera, but it did look like someone on the Tyrone management team was getting involved in verbals with a Derry player. No idea what the red was for, perhaps contributing to a melee? Yellow par for the course in these sorts of things and with McKinless already on a yellow he can prob have no complaints about a 2nd.
I see the semi line up is Down v Derry and Cavan v Tyrone. Last night it was Down v Tyrone and Derry v Cavan. What happened there? Is it an open draw for the semis?
No big deal, just wondering.
Good to get another competitive game before the league starts.
I wondered about the draw myself, as you say initially i thought we had Down and then 10 mins later it was Cavan. Strange one, and no explanation
The younger Jones brother played the full 60+ mins for UU on Tuesday night.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2023, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 11, 2023, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2023, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
Ack, its fine. It's not a monthly charge all year. Takes effort to stream and commentate on it, and I'd happily pay. Its the price of a ticket without needing to travel. It's a way to see it, where there wasn't before, so I'm happy with it as an option
To be honest, I find it better value that going. I was going to go to some of the games, £10 for adults (16+) and £3 for kids. For me to go and take the kids tickets cost me £45. Then add in the price of diesel you're at £60-£70 for a pre-season game. Too costly.
So £10 to watch at home is ok with me, especially on a cold wet Jan night.
Derry v Tyrone was really a game of 2 halves. Though it looks like weather conditions contributed heavily to that, with Derry taking only short frees within the 45 in the first half. In the 2nd half Tyrone missed a few "easy" frees at that same end.
The game had a bit of bite and excitment in the last 20.
I really wasn't expecting Derry to get much from this game but they really stepped it up and Laclan Murray has followed up a good game against Fermanagh with another fine performance. Hopefully that continues this year.
Defensively, both teams set up similarly.
Tyrone seemed to have a bit more in attack, but Derry's running game eventually wore down the Tyrone defence.
Fitness seems to have improved even from the Fermanagh game, and given they've only been training since December they are in decent shape.
Tyrone look like they've started to shake off the poor year last year. I'd expect to see a stronger side this year. They had a defender, McCarron I think, did and excellent job on MgGuigan, looks like he could be a find. The Jones brothers didnt even get a sub appearance even though one of them got motm the last game which I found strange.
I didn't really catch much of the melee on the camera, but it did look like someone on the Tyrone management team was getting involved in verbals with a Derry player. No idea what the red was for, perhaps contributing to a melee? Yellow par for the course in these sorts of things and with McKinless already on a yellow he can prob have no complaints about a 2nd.
I see the semi line up is Down v Derry and Cavan v Tyrone. Last night it was Down v Tyrone and Derry v Cavan. What happened there? Is it an open draw for the semis?
No big deal, just wondering.
Good to get another competitive game before the league starts.
If it's £10 for McKenna Cup I am worried what they're going to charge for the league and Ulster games. £5 is more than enough at this stage. It was great to see Jerome doing the Sigerson game the other day on Youtube for free!
How much in to attend the game? £10 online for a McKenna cup simply to much. There alot of money been made in the GAA for a amateur organisation. Doubt the tax man be having a closer look down the line.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2023, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 11, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Tyrone Vs Down
Derry Vs Cavan
Assuming these aren't televised on TG4? Thought I remember Armagh Monaghan being on last year, maybe it's just the final they could show.
Another paid stream it is probably.
Remember the days we used to give off about paying a monthly sub to Setanta to watch a few NFL games, now we throw out £5ers and £10ers (& more) to watch club & county. The GAA is more expensive than Sky & BT combined.
Yeah nobody worried about poor wee 85 year old Jimmy down the road who has given his life to GAA who can't watch these games for free. Or was it just because it was sky that people were giving off?
If you are a GAA fan then the availability is the thing, if you went to the game then you would also have to pay. The initial problem with Sky wss that people did not have did not have dishes and those that had were soccer fans. There will be as many games on free to air TV this year as there ever was, the likes of the McKenna cup was never on TV.
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
Derry only training from december someone said!! Your having a laugh, been back a long time before that. Sessions even ongoing when clubs were going so no surprise they were full of running at end. Both teams looked in very good nick for this time of year. Down/Armagh will be along same lines. Its gonna be a long intense 6 months so interesting to see how teams cope.
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Just right to. Robbing huers.
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
what's the section / channel called?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Just right to. Robbing huers.
Exactly who is robbing you? Go to the game and pay in , watch it now that's available to watch or don't. You think clubs charging £3 / £5 into games are robbing hoors too? You must think the GAA runs on fresh air.
Quote from: the goal was on on January 12, 2023, 10:42:53 AM
Derry only training from december someone said!! Your having a laugh, been back a long time before that. Sessions even ongoing when clubs were going so no surprise they were full of running at end. Both teams looked in very good nick for this time of year. Down/Armagh will be along same lines. Its gonna be a long intense 6 months so interesting to see how teams cope.
Yeah I would imagine the vast majority of teams/players will have been training flat to the tin for the past 3 months at least both individually and collectively. The training dates the GAA publish are barely worth the paper they are written on.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Just right to. Robbing huers.
Exactly who is robbing you? Go to the game and pay in , watch it now that's available to watch or don't. You think clubs charging £3 / £5 into games are robbing hoors too? You must think the GAA runs on fresh air.
Clubs don't charge into friendlies. I just feel £10 for a stream for glorified friendlies is too much. They'll get plenty of time to make their tenners for their streams during the league and club championship games.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:05 AM
How much in to attend the game? £10 online for a McKenna cup simply to much. There alot of money been made in the GAA for a amateur organisation. Doubt the tax man be having a closer look down the line.
It is what it is. Set-up of streaming equipment, commentators, and everything else takes a bit of money. If a fella, the missus, and the kids went, it'd be nearly £30 in before travel. £10 for all of them in the living room and no travel isn't a bad deal. Anyway, no one is forcing people to watch. I think it's a good deal considering they're not broadcasters and likely covering costs
Quote from: JimStynes on January 12, 2023, 11:11:06 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Just right to. Robbing huers.
Exactly who is robbing you? Go to the game and pay in , watch it now that's available to watch or don't. You think clubs charging £3 / £5 into games are robbing hoors too? You must think the GAA runs on fresh air.
Clubs don't charge into friendlies. I just feel £10 for a stream for glorified friendlies is too much. They'll get plenty of time to make their tenners for their streams during the league and club championship games.
Yep, £10 in for what are friendlies on steroids
Quote from: JimStynes on January 12, 2023, 11:11:06 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Just right to. Robbing huers.
Exactly who is robbing you? Go to the game and pay in , watch it now that's available to watch or don't. You think clubs charging £3 / £5 into games are robbing hoors too? You must think the GAA runs on fresh air.
Clubs don't charge into friendlies. I just feel £10 for a stream for glorified friendlies is too much. They'll get plenty of time to make their tenners for their streams during the league and club championship games.
It's Ulster GAA who runs it, so they can hardly make it back in league and club games. Would have to get something back to cover costs right now considering it's decent production values, commentators and so on. Pay it or don't, it's the price of one adult ticket, and all the family can watch.
I would love it all to be in one place instead of throwing tenners out all over the show for different streams during the winter. The Sigerson game the other night was done for free on Youtube.
Pay whatever way you want lads. But the option is there to pay £40 for IPTV that covers GGA GO and most other GAA games that are covered on various channels e.g. McKenna cup and if that makes me a bad Gael then so be it.
I'd say there's not many on here who pays clubs more gate money in a year across numerous counties, however the £40 i spend on IPTV each year is probably the best value for money i spend in a year.
Monaghan v Down was on Northern sound. Down v Donegal was on Highland radio. All free. I have the iptv must tune in Sunday. It didn't come up on my gaago last weekend.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 12, 2023, 12:51:11 PM
Monaghan v Down was on Northern sound. Down v Donegal was on Highland radio. All free. I have the iptv must tune in Sunday. It didn't come up on my gaago last weekend.
Pay the £10, tightwad
The McKenna Cup final will be live on TG4.
Just the final
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
lol
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 12:48:45 PM
Pay whatever way you want lads. But the option is there to pay £40 for IPTV that covers GGA GO and most other GAA games that are covered on various channels e.g. McKenna cup and if that makes me a bad Gael then so be it.
I'd say there's not many on here who pays clubs more gate money in a year across numerous counties, however the £40 i spend on IPTV each year is probably the best value for money i spend in a year.
I have the IPTV but didn't know McKenna games were on it?
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Quote from: full moon on January 12, 2023, 08:09:54 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 12:48:45 PM
Pay whatever way you want lads. But the option is there to pay £40 for IPTV that covers GGA GO and most other GAA games that are covered on various channels e.g. McKenna cup and if that makes me a bad Gael then so be it.
I'd say there's not many on here who pays clubs more gate money in a year across numerous counties, however the £40 i spend on IPTV each year is probably the best value for money i spend in a year.
I have the IPTV but didn't know McKenna games were on it?
Ask the reseller to ask his IPTV provider to show the GAAGo if possible. Mines doesn't have it either but the reseller is looking into it for me
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 12, 2023, 09:32:38 PM
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
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Why do you say that? A fan would be happy for the money to go to the sport they follow and would not pay others to steal their content.
You can cod yourself that this is not theft, but you are only codding yourself.
You've little to be worried about
Next you'll be giving out about how lads going to croke park in the summer should only be consuming their pints inside the stadium for the good of the GAA, condemn all those who indulge before entering
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 13, 2023, 02:11:35 AM
You've little to be worried about
Next you'll be giving out about how lads going to croke park in the summer should only be consuming their pints inside the stadium for the good of the GAA, condemn all those who indulge before entering
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god forbid anyone take sandwiches to a game lol
Quote from: armaghniac on January 12, 2023, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AM
Guys, get a firestick/IPTV.
Around £40 for a year. All McKenna cup games live on it..GAA Go..the full works.
You will even be able to cancel your Netflix subscription and any other TV service you pays for as absolutely everything is on it.
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
So f**k them - watch everything you can for 40/50 a year and ensure they dont see a penny of it
IPTV, the acceptable face of theft
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 01:40:48 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 12, 2023, 09:32:38 PM
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
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Why do you say that? A fan would be happy for the money to go to the sport they follow and would not pay others to steal their content.
You can cod yourself that this is not theft, but you are only codding yourself.
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Lol
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 13, 2023, 08:52:01 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 01:40:48 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 12, 2023, 09:32:38 PM
You are not much of a GAA fan if you pay other people to steal their content.
Imbecile comment
Why do you say that? A fan would be happy for the money to go to the sport they follow and would not pay others to steal their content.
You can cod yourself that this is not theft, but you are only codding yourself.
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Lol
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The IPTV is a great service and anyone not using it either doesn't know how to get it or has shite broadband.
I've shite broadband.
At the end of the day Sky, BT, and the rest are thieves robbing us blind and I give a clean fortune during the year between memberships, tickets, sponsorship, lotto, donations etc etc etc to the GAA. Happy enough to steal games lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I've shite broadband.
You should send a motion to Congress about that.
Quote from: Taylor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
You could say that the earth is flat, but you would not be correct.
Tickets are not any more in relation to other costs than ever they were. If teams for going well and games are competitive then people will go, for instance Monaghan v Armagh is probably going to sold out shortly, and if teams are not going well thn ppoole will not go even if admittance was free.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I've shite broadband.
You should send a motion to Congress about that.
Quote from: Taylor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
You could say that the earth is flat, but you would not be correct.
Tickets are not any more in relation to other costs than ever they were. If teams for going well and games are competitive then people will go, for instance Monaghan v Armagh is probably going to sold out shortly, and if teams are not going well thn ppoole will not go even if admittance was free.
It's still an absolute rob. But, us being fools and excited by the prospect of success will pay it, thats the nature of sports fans. It's the hope that kills ye!
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I've shite broadband.
You should send a motion to Congress about that.
Quote from: Taylor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
You could say that the earth is flat, but you would not be correct.
Tickets are not any more in relation to other costs than ever they were. If teams for going well and games are competitive then people will go, for instance Monaghan v Armagh is probably going to sold out shortly, and if teams are not going well thn ppoole will not go even if admittance was free.
U16s should not be charged for McKenna (FBD etc charge kids?) or league. We set off to Fermanagh last Sunday and it didn't dawn on us to get the squad of wains tickets until we were asked beside the clubhouse. I've no issue with the adult prices
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2023, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I've shite broadband.
You should send a motion to Congress about that.
Quote from: Taylor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
You could say that the earth is flat, but you would not be correct.
Tickets are not any more in relation to other costs than ever they were. If teams for going well and games are competitive then people will go, for instance Monaghan v Armagh is probably going to sold out shortly, and if teams are not going well thn ppoole will not go even if admittance was free.
U16s should not be charged for McKenna (FBD etc charge kids?) or league. We set off to Fermanagh last Sunday and it didn't dawn on us to get the squad of wains tickets until we were asked beside the clubhouse. I've no issue with the adult prices
Absolutely.
The GAA rip everyone off so why not get one up when you can.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I've shite broadband.
You should send a motion to Congress about that.
Quote from: Taylor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
You could say that the earth is flat, but you would not be correct.
Tickets are not any more in relation to other costs than ever they were. If teams for going well and games are competitive then people will go, for instance Monaghan v Armagh is probably going to sold out shortly, and if teams are not going well thn ppoole will not go even if admittance was free.
I'll let you know what channel Armagh and Monaghan is on the firestick ;)
I've had IPTV for years and don't mind ripping off the soccer across the water for 2 reasons - I wouldn't care if they went bust and disappeared, and that that will never happen as they're billionaires.
On the other hand, I wouldn't do the same for the GAA. I bought the McKenna Cup games as I hope that money goes back into the sport I love.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on January 13, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 09:53:08 AM
I've shite broadband.
You should send a motion to Congress about that.
Quote from: Taylor on January 13, 2023, 08:34:11 AM
You could say the GAA doesnt really give a flying for the supporters given the ticket prices for adults and now juveniles as well for upcoming league fixtures.
You could say that the earth is flat, but you would not be correct.
Tickets are not any more in relation to other costs than ever they were. If teams for going well and games are competitive then people will go, for instance Monaghan v Armagh is probably going to sold out shortly, and if teams are not going well thn ppoole will not go even if admittance was free.
I'll let you know what channel Armagh and Monaghan is on the firestick ;)
I'll be attending, thank you.
Are the semi finals being streamed by anyone
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 13, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
The GAA rip everyone off so why not get one up when you can.
Who is the beneficiary of this "rep off"?
Quote from: gortnaleck on January 14, 2023, 12:23:43 AM
Are the semi finals being streamed by anyone
Yes, the Ulster GAA.
Do you get many invites to go for a pint? Wild craic I'd say
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2023, 10:47:06 PM
I've had IPTV for years and don't mind ripping off the soccer across the water for 2 reasons - I wouldn't care if they went bust and disappeared, and that that will never happen as they're billionaires.
On the other hand, I wouldn't do the same for the GAA. I bought the McKenna Cup games as I hope that money goes back into the sport I love.
Agree with this. And while £10 for one game is a bit steep, wasn't it £25 for the whole tournament? That's not bad at all. And if anyone ends up arguing about who deserves All Ireland tickets, "who else paid £10 to stream the McKenna Cup" puts you in a pretty decent position. I was grateful for the stream midweek and will buy it again tonight.
Looking forward to the game later on anyway. Do Derry have a song coming out for their semi-final?
Good work out for Cavan, Tyrone fielding a strong team and we've at least 6 starters to come back in to my mind. In some ways it is nice to make a final but this time of year it might be a game too many before the league.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2023, 02:24:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 13, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
The GAA rip everyone off so why not get one up when you can.
Who is the beneficiary of this "rep off"?
Quote from: gortnaleck on January 14, 2023, 12:23:43 AM
Are the semi finals being streamed by anyone
Yes, the Ulster GAA.
Not the players that's for sure. Alot of men making a comfortable living off the back of the extortionate fees charged to watch or attend amateur games.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2023, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2023, 02:24:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 13, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
The GAA rip everyone off so why not get one up when you can.
Who is the beneficiary of this "rep off"?
Quote from: gortnaleck on January 14, 2023, 12:23:43 AM
Are the semi finals being streamed by anyone
Yes, the Ulster GAA.
Not the players that's for sure. Alot of men making a comfortable living off the back of the extortionate fees charged to watch or attend amateur games.
And 95% of them are Dubs..
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 14, 2023, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 14, 2023, 02:24:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 13, 2023, 02:24:37 PM
The GAA rip everyone off so why not get one up when you can.
Who is the beneficiary of this "rep off"?
Quote from: gortnaleck on January 14, 2023, 12:23:43 AM
Are the semi finals being streamed by anyone
Yes, the Ulster GAA.
Not the players that's for sure. Alot of men making a comfortable living off the back of the extortionate fees charged to watch or attend amateur games.
It will grease the road to semi pro, especially with Gaago becoming more central to programming.
The GAA need a dedicated channel. Covering all provinces. An annual fee of say £120 would be fair enough.
£120, G you nearly getting as bad as the BBC.
14mins into 2nd Half Down 3-6 Derry 1-12
Thought Derry did very well to come back into it being 4 points down and then a man down but McGuigan missed a few frees that should have won it.
Did well to get the draw ET should be interesting both teams showing plenty of intensity!
Penalties
Why no extra time? Derry win 3-2 on penalties.
Down abit like England/France on penalties,
Thought it was a very soft free for Derry to level.
A good game today. I thought Derry had the physical edge and got their scores easier but it was good run out for Down.
Honestly another game Derry could actually do without, a week break to the league game been better.
Quote from: ardtole on January 15, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
Thought it was a very soft free for Derry to level.
very soft, ref definitely was looking for a draw
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 05:12:32 PM
Honestly another game Derry could actually do without, a week break to the league game been better.
No real break as would have a challenge if not in the McKenna final.
A game a week is no big deal I'd say they'll be happy enough.
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Quote from: ardtole on January 15, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
Thought it was a very soft free for Derry to level.
very soft, ref definitely was looking for a draw
Maybe making up for the neck high tackle on Tallon across the other side of the pitch a minute of so earlier that wasn't given....
Good competitive game, Down definitely looking sharp and well drilled.
As Screen says, a game a week is grand for players in great shape. Throw in time confirmed yet for Sat?
6pm in Armagh.
Decent enough time, thanks
I think another game with a competitive edge is ideal leading I to the league.
With the Glen lads playing in a final and the mckenna final it really will raise the levels before the first league match.
Entertaining game today. I thought Down were very physical and did a lot of off the ball drag Downs that they continued to get away with.
Derry a bit cuter in the tackle.
Down look they are extremely fit and their goal scoring threat is worrisome for the div 3 teams.
If they continue in that form, they'll likely win promotion.
Derry have got a good luck at the younger lads and Gallagher will know what he has to choose from post mckenna Cup.
Niall Toner is in great form, Murray too though he was quiet today.
Aston tohill looks out of position in the forwards. I'd have liked to have seen a few high balls played into him to see how he'd cope. Could give us another option for style of attack.
Happy with another game.
Wonder why they didn't play extra time. Was that always the plan to go straight to penalties or was it by mutual agreement t.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 15, 2023, 07:16:57 PM
I think another game with a competitive edge is ideal leading I to the league.
With the Glen lads playing in a final and the mckenna final it really will raise the levels before the first league match.
Entertaining game today. I thought Down were very physical and did a lot of off the ball drag Downs that they continued to get away with.
Derry a bit cuter in the tackle.
Down look they are extremely fit and their goal scoring threat is worrisome for the div 3 teams.
If they continue in that form, they'll likely win promotion.
Derry have got a good luck at the younger lads and Gallagher will know what he has to choose from post mckenna Cup.
Niall Toner is in great form, Murray too though he was quiet today.
Aston tohill looks out of position in the forwards. I'd have liked to have seen a few high balls played into him to see how he'd cope. Could give us another option for style of attack.
Happy with another game.
Wonder why they didn't play extra time. Was that always the plan to go straight to penalties or was it by mutual agreement t.
It's part of the competition, not to flog lads this time of year. It was on all the programme print outs, that with a draw, straight to penalties and no extra time
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2023, 05:50:31 PM
A game a week is no big deal I'd say they'll be happy enough.
Agreed
For anyone interested you can still but tickets for Down v Derry and Tyrone V Cavan on the website. No details on the final. And we expect this organisation to deliver a new state of the art football stadium.
https://ulster.gaa.ie/boimckennacup2023/ (https://ulster.gaa.ie/boimckennacup2023/)
Quote from: trailer on January 17, 2023, 08:49:18 AM
For anyone interested you can still but tickets for Down v Derry and Tyrone V Cavan on the website. No details on the final. And we expect this organisation to deliver a new state of the art football stadium.
https://ulster.gaa.ie/boimckennacup2023/ (https://ulster.gaa.ie/boimckennacup2023/)
Thats for people that have been guilt shamed over the IPTV usage
I thought the final was supposed to be on TG4 but no sign?
Quote from: An Watcher on January 18, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
I thought the final was supposed to be on TG4 but no sign?
TG4 online i believe
Quote from: An Watcher on January 18, 2023, 07:34:29 PM
I thought the final was supposed to be on TG4 but no sign?
Will be live via this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWuWvWh_2E
Puke football from derry here
Tough watch
Derry very defensive, Tyrone doing alot of fouling McGuigan missed a few long ones he would get on a good day.
Like watching a game of chess. Possibility this match could be worse than last nights FBD final.
Derry doing a lot of long kicking in to the forwards here which is a complete change of style. Very interesting to watch against Tyrones defensive style,
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2023, 06:20:10 PM
Like watching a game of chess. Possibility this match could be worse than last nights FBD final.
It's poor but better then last night. Mayo and Roscommon was indoor and they were passing it around like they were facing a wind.
Derry push up and instantly look better, shocker
Game should be over already, Derry making a balls of 2 def goal chances.
Looks to be a strong breeze at this game.
Weird to see Derry men willing to shoot, just a pity mcGuigan doesn't have his shooting boots on tonight
Shooting from 2 far out, serious breeze, it about 6/7 pts different and Derry not far enough ahead.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2023, 06:33:20 PM
Looks to be a strong breeze at this game.
Whatever about the breeze Tyrone are playing very poorly so far
McGuigan missed a bagful
Half time Derry 0-7 Tyrone 0-1.
Very slow pace game with Tyrone especially playing through the motions and not taking this final too serious by having a number of first choice players on the bench instead of starting.
Quote from: lenny on January 21, 2023, 06:21:22 PM
Derry doing a lot of long kicking in to the forwards here which is a complete change of style. Very interesting to watch against Tyrones defensive style,
Shane McGuigan said on the football pod a while back they were planning to kick more in 23.
They look better for it. Rodgers an interesting one in midfield- I think he is better suited there. Murray looks a good addition.
Hard to know the impact of the wind here. I guess we'll see.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 21, 2023, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 21, 2023, 06:21:22 PM
Derry doing a lot of long kicking in to the forwards here which is a complete change of style. Very interesting to watch against Tyrones defensive style,
Shane McGuigan said on the football pod a while back they were planning to kick more in 23.
It was very attractive to watch. Derry missed at least 2.4 in that first half and played with a lot more risk, lots of first time longer kicks into the forwards. We could rue all those misses in the second half though with tyrone having the significant breeze.
Tyrone's turn to rack up the sides.
1-3 to 0-7 now. Morgan,Harte,McShane,Meyler on the field has greatly helped the Tyrone improvement.
Terrible decision by the ref for Tyrones goal. He had been excellent up to that.
Much better from Tyrone
Either that lad couldn't hold onto the ball or it's pulled straight out of his hands.
Morgan gives away penalty. Scored Derry 1-8 to 1-4 in front 54 mins played.
Spoke too soon.
If that a pull down, why he give a yellow and not a black?,
Tyrone management won't be happy with the defending on both goals. Derry looking good for the win now 2-9 to 1-5 ahead 60 mins played.
The lad caught that ball at Midfield, think ref give him a free, then he throws the ball to a lad 5m on front of him to kick in it??
Derry should scored 2 in the first half.
The last 2 Derry points players took late hits after ball went over. Tyrone dirt
Tyrone awful tonight. Defence far too open and non existent midfield
FT Derry 3-11 Tyrone 1-5. Nice boost to Derry's promotion hopes that win especially the margin of victory. First McKenna cup success for 12 years.
Late leg tap on McGuigan there.
Good win for Doire. Fitness looks to be decent now and a few stronger options emerging to strengthen the squad. We missed a lot but that's to be expected at this stage of the year.
Convincing win by Derry. Both sides continuing on their trajectories from last season with Derry on the rise and Tyrone on the wane.
Well done Derry. Full value for the win. Managed the game well with some good scores thrown in.
Hard to know about Tyrone. Too early to tell but needs to be big improvements,
Fair play to Derry. Fitter and more organised. Too early to tell for either team but Derry off to the better start
Derry will win Ulster again this year.
Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2023, 08:48:02 PM
Derry will win Ulster again this year.
Based on the McKenna Cup?
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2023, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2023, 08:48:02 PM
Derry will win Ulster again this year.
Based on the McKenna Cup?
No obviously not just McKenna Cup but who will stop them? Tyrone are a shambles and Donegal will be rebuilding after Murphy.
Armagh will probably be their main challengers.
As an Armagh man I was glad to witness the worst Tyrone performance I've ever seen. Can't wait til we relegage them in Omagh last game in the league. ☺️
Really dominant from Derry tonight apart from 10-15 mins at the start of the 2nd half.
Should have been 12 up at half time but for heroics of the tyrone keeper.
The most impressive thing from a Derry perspective is that we were only at about 75% strength. Missing 3 Glen players and mckaigue. Tyrone had most of their big hitters on in the 2nd half but we stood up to it and took them to the cleaners.
Only the mckenna cup but some very encouraging signs. Casside in my, mcevoy in defence, Murray up front and toner showing very strong. Hopefully we can use this to get promotion and give the championship a real rattle.
As for tyrone, something not right about them. Can't put my finger on it. Some of the better players from the AI win are not performing. Richie donnelly has gone backwards. Mccurry looks past his best and mcshane inconsistent. Missing leaders maybe? But again, only the mckenna cup, they've plenty of time to put it right and could still be a force in ulster.
Good mckenna cup this year all round.
Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2023, 09:30:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2023, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 21, 2023, 08:48:02 PM
Derry will win Ulster again this year.
Based on the McKenna Cup?
No obviously not just McKenna Cup but who will stop them? Tyrone are a shambles and Donegal will be rebuilding after Murphy.
Armagh will probably be their main challengers.
Armagh? Don't think so. Derry are a serious competitor but I don't see it like they are miles ahead of everyone. Tyrone a shambles? They drew with Derry a week ago. You are reading waybto much into a few glorified pre season friendlies
I've been listening to a lot of Tyrone people I know over the past while, every one of them convinced last year was an aberration, they'd all be pretty concerned after that I'd imagine, a switch can't be flicked to turn it all back on.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 21, 2023, 09:55:59 PM
Really dominant from Derry tonight apart from 10-15 mins at the start of the 2nd half.
Should have been 12 up at half time but for heroics of the tyrone keeper.
The most impressive thing from a Derry perspective is that we were only at about 75% strength. Missing 3 Glen players and mckaigue. Tyrone had most of their big hitters on in the 2nd half but we stood up to it and took them to the cleaners.
Only the mckenna cup but some very encouraging signs. Casside in my, mcevoy in defence, Murray up front and toner showing very strong. Hopefully we can use this to get promotion and give the championship a real rattle.
As for tyrone, something not right about them. Can't put my finger on it. Some of the better players from the AI win are not performing. Richie donnelly has gone backwards. Mccurry looks past his best and mcshane inconsistent. Missing leaders maybe? But again, only the mckenna cup, they've plenty of time to put it right and could still be a force in ulster.
Good mckenna cup this year all round.
Something doesn't look right with Tyrone at all for me. Still early so could be wrong but they seem off. If they have a bad year I wouldn't expect to see those boys back managing.
Derry look sharp but it is pre season and sometimes it could be one team ahead of the other fitness wise. They definitely have shown some interesting options too. They should have more depth in midfield you would expect now and then Murray and / or carron (or is it mccarron) are better options in the forwards. Still not fully convinced in the goalie.
Ben McCarron. I remember watching him last year in the All Ireland intermediate club final against Trim and thought he'd have a big impact with Derry last year. Gallagher didn't play him much.
Playing Sigerson aswell with UUJ.
Funny moment from the first half.. everything was quiet in the stand. Tyrone on the attack, but playing into that breeze, they weren't attempting a shot, it was all about holding possession.
A massive roar from a Tyrone women in the crowd...
"We're 5pts down, just fuckin shoot!!"
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 21, 2023, 10:16:24 PM
Ben McCarron. I remember watching him last year in the All Ireland intermediate club final against Trim and thought he'd have a big impact with Derry last year. Gallagher didn't play him much.
Playing Sigerson aswell with UUJ.
That's him. Yeah I definitely thought he looked useful. Him and Murray should add a bit to that forward line.
Still a pre season tournament so hard to say as ulster will probably still be very open. Derry probably made themselves favourites there though and Tyrone will either capitulate or have got the kick up the arse they needed.
Dooher and Logan should have retired at the end of last season. They've already scaled the peak and don't have the time and energy required to take on the challenge again. They got lucky with the Covid All Ireland and fair play to them but I don't see them arresting the decline. Some might argue it's only the McKenna Cup but Tyrone were second best everywhere tonight.
Derry look like the team to beat in Ulster and if Glen win tomorrow it will only give them an added layer of self belief.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2023, 10:39:09 PM
Dooher and Logan should have retired at the end of last season. They've already scaled the peak and don't have the time and energy required to take on the challenge again. They got lucky with the Covid All Ireland and fair play to them but I don't see them arresting the decline. Some might argue it's only the McKenna Cup but Tyrone were second best everywhere tonight.
Derry look like the team to beat in Ulster and if Glen win tomorrow it will only give them an added layer of self belief.
Not this shite again. Said in another thread the only people who say this just simply don't like Tyrone.
Westmeath, Laois, Meath, Cavan and Mayo. Now there's an easy all ireland if ever I saw one. Fairly recent too
Quote from: square_ball on January 21, 2023, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2023, 10:39:09 PM
Dooher and Logan should have retired at the end of last season. They've already scaled the peak and don't have the time and energy required to take on the challenge again. They got lucky with the Covid All Ireland and fair play to them but I don't see them arresting the decline. Some might argue it's only the McKenna Cup but Tyrone were second best everywhere tonight.
Derry look like the team to beat in Ulster and if Glen win tomorrow it will only give them an added layer of self belief.
Not this shite again. Said in another thread the only people who say this just simply don't like Tyrone.
Dubs won the original covid all ireland 2020.
Tyrone 2021 was covidball 2.
Of course then Kerry vanquished covid once and for all.
/s
I'd take a covid all ireland every year
What around 7 of Tyrones 2021 All-Ireland final starting team started today? Don't think I'd be laying any judgement on Tyrones 2023 campaign yet apart from their strength in depth is probably not the best.
It was obvious against us that Petey, as you lot affectionately call him is miles off top club football never mind county!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2023, 11:29:38 PM
It was obvious against us that Petey, as you lot affectionately call him is miles off top club football never mind county!
Are you on the beer already??
Too many off Tyrone old hands have slowed down, McKeigue / Heron(slowed down too) the only older guys on the current county team. Need rebuild with 5/6 of their U-20 team in. Midfield was poor given their larger size advantage there.
I'm more worried about Tyrone than Derry as Ulster challengers this year, still a serious team if they can get the finger out. Remember in 2021 it wasnt that long between Kerry tanking them in the league and that seminfinal game.
It's fine to win the McKenna cup but we need to get promoted by whatever means necessary!!!!
If we don't that will be a huge knock back in terms of the teams overall development... we need to be playing and challenging against the top teams and while we were unfortunate last year the level we have been at since the end of the league last year leaves no room for excuses!
To those basing their assessment of the season to come on the McKenna cup, last year's winners were Monaghan who just about stayed in Div1 afterwards, won one game in ulster and we're knocked our in the 1st round of the qualifiers.
Only McKenna cup but Derry are definitely in a good place going into the league. Having Paudie Cassidy back fit is like a new player coming into the squad and a few of the younger lads like Paul Cassidy and Lachlan Murray have definitely bulked up. Noticeable the last few games how much more involved these lads have become whereas last year the likes of Paul would have drifted in and out of games.
Important to get over the Limerick came presumably without the Glen lads. 2 points in Owenbeg will set us up nicely for the rest of the league. Hopefully Emmet Bradley commits as he's been in fine form for Glen throughout their campaign.
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2023, 07:42:39 AM
To those basing their assessment of the season to come on the McKenna cup, last year's winners were Monaghan who just about stayed in Div1 afterwards, won one game in ulster and we're knocked our in the 1st round of the qualifiers.
I don't think anyone is getting carried away with winning the mckenna cup as such.
For me the exciting thing was how the young players were integrated and the fact they they were to fore in most games. We also have tried changing our shape and are kicking the ball more. All of this should mean we are not as reliant on small core of players and also that we can adjust to account for injuries or opponent.
That's all positive.
Of course none of that guarantees promotion or an extended championship, but it looks like we are well prepared for the challenge. We still need to work on how we cope with that press on our kickout and on how to win high ball in the middle third but I don't think we're the only team in that position.
One final note on Tyrone, they played an ultra defensive style too with 14 men behind the ball a lot of the time. Their keeper playing out the field a fair bit too, but they still struggled when derry attacked at pace. That could still be a fitness issue at this time of year or it could be that the defensive strategy doesn't suit those players. Maybe they need to play more on the front foot.
I did laugh at one point though when tyrone supporters behind us were talking about how hard derry were to watch with the defensive style when Tyrone were playing the exact same way. Lol
I remember when Tyrone were playing like that a few years back. It's turgid stuff and Tyrone were sweeping all before them in ulster but doing nothing in croke Park. Had to change and struggled a bit more in ulster but were able to win an all ireland on the back of it. Interesting to see if derrys style works against the big teams in croke Park.
I don't think we'll be thinking as far ahead as croke Park.
We'll be aiming for promotion to div 1 and first round of the championship.
Quote from: An Watcher on January 22, 2023, 10:45:03 AM
I remember when Tyrone were playing like that a few years back. It's turgid stuff and Tyrone were sweeping all before them in ulster but doing nothing in croke Park. Had to change and struggled a bit more in ulster but were able to win an all ireland on the back of it. Interesting to see if derrys style works against the big teams in croke Park.
We definitely mixed it up last night with alot more early ball in and it worked well overall.
Overall Derry's style differs very little to every other county in the country.
Next months draw done.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBQLNCQWgAAOdZ2?format=jpg&name=small)
Possibly 3 games in a week... 3rd, 7th and 10th. Fairly trying to rattle this off.
Any fixtures confirmed yet?
Section A looks tasty.
Quote from: tbrick18 on December 14, 2023, 09:35:25 AMAny fixtures confirmed yet?
Section A looks tasty.
They said last night that fixtures would be confirmed in the coming days
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 14, 2023, 02:26:27 AMNext months draw done.
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Hard to see past Mickey Harte winning his 13th McKenna cup.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on December 14, 2023, 11:16:21 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on December 14, 2023, 02:26:27 AMNext months draw done.
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Hard to see past Mickey Harte winning his 13th McKenna cup.
Especially if Derry are paying a substantial win bonus.
Derry play a reserve team, no point full out to halfway through the league.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 14, 2023, 07:54:37 PMDerry play a reserve team, no point full out to halfway through the league.
Have you ever seen the teams Harte put out for Tyrone? He be looking the Glen lads to tog out for McKenna cup ffs lol
Time to take the McKenna cup back to Augher. It was named after Eugene's performance in the 84 Ulster semi-final and on the 40th anniversary of that it's only apt.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 14, 2023, 07:54:37 PMDerry play a reserve team, no point full out to halfway through the league.
Not anymore
The Derry and Tyrone line ups from the Group Stage match last year - not the Final!
Derry: O Lynch; M Doherty, E McEvoy, C McCluskey; C Doherty, G McKinless, P McGrogan; P Cassidy, B Rogers; N Toner, P Cassidy, N Loughlin; B McCarron, S McGuigan, L Murray.
Subs: O McWilliams for Loughlin (27), D Cassidy for Doherty (38), A Tohill for McCarron (42), N O'Donnell for D Cassidy (60)
Tyrone: B Gallen; N McCarron, C Munroe, P Hampsey; C Quinn, P Harte, N Devlin; B Kennedy, R Donnelly; C Meyler, C Kilpatrick, N Sludden; C McShane, M Donnelly, D Mulgrew.
Subs: M McKernan for Quinn (h-t), K McGeary for Sludden (42), E McNabb for Mulgrew (58), D Canavan for M Donnelly (58), F Burns for R Donnelly (72)
Those in bold played some part in their respective Championship games against Kerry in the QF and SF. Those numbers would increase if I'd selected the final instead. And obviously Tyrone had some players who departed between this game and the C'ship, who otherwise may have played a role later on.
Hard to know what approach Harte will take.
He typically went out to win every game regardless of competition.
We'll be without the glen lads and maybe some of the Slaughtneil lads with their extended run in hurling, but I'd expect Harte will name the strongest side available to him with maybe 1-2 fringe players starting.
He'll see these as games to use to settle the team before a return to div 1 football rather than games to assess new blood I think.
Personally, I couldn't care less if we qualify out of the group or win the mckenna cup, I'd just want to see a game plan coming together and I'd love to see a new forward or two stepping up. Perhaps Lachlan Murray's year?
All that aside, there'll be huge interest in these games as it's Harte's first outing in Derry colours. Everyone will be hoping for Derry v Tyrone at some point, McKenna cup could be the first taster session.
Any word on games being streamed?
Quote from: tbrick18 on December 14, 2023, 09:35:25 AMAny fixtures confirmed yet?
Section A looks tasty.
Round 1: Wednesday 3rd January 7.30pm
Section A: Donegal v Armagh at Ballybofey
Section B: Cavan v Derry at Kingspan Breffni
Section C: Monaghan v Antrim at Castleblayney
Round 2: Saturday 6th January 6pm
Section B: Derry v Down at Owenbeg
Round 2: Sunday 7th January 1pm
Section A: Tyrone v Donegal at O'Neills Healy Park
Section C: Antrim v Fermanagh at Ahoghill/Portglenone TBC
Round 3: Wednesday 10th January 7.30pm
Section A: Armagh v Tyrone at Box-It Athletic Grounds
Section B: Down v Cavan at Páirc Esler
Section C: Fermanagh v Monaghan at Brewster Park
Semi Finals 13th/14th January
Final 20th January
Derry v Down is in Celtic Pk as far as I know
The Ulster GAA press release on 14th December had it in Owenbeg, the website and X/twitter have it in Celtic Park.
One of them is right ✅️
will any pre season comps be streamed on youtube
Quote from: Eire90 on December 31, 2023, 02:34:09 PMwill any pre season comps be streamed on youtube
I think there a Mc Kenna Cup pass, including all group games, semi-final and final.
Not sure how much it is but it's usually good value for the hardcore county supporter.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on December 31, 2023, 01:13:59 PMThe Ulster GAA press release on 14th December had it in Owenbeg, the website and X/twitter have it in Celtic Park.
One of them is right ✅️
Derry GAA had it up as a venue change, is now Celtic Park
Think £25 for the stream pass but don't believe it covers the final.
£25 for friendlies 8)
Quote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
Quote from: Eire90 on December 31, 2023, 02:34:09 PMwill any pre season comps be streamed on youtube
They were on the Firestick last year i'm near sure.
By the looks of Armagh's McKenna Cup panel we're not taking it very seriously. Lot of the U20 panel
https://thesidelineeye.com/2024/01/02/armagh-name-experimental-line-up/?fbclid=IwAR3GOIWWTNeLOIRumqvnw13iHLrSeR-bpkY669E1BKuowM2727RU50QP1ZU
Quote from: bennydorano on January 02, 2024, 05:52:45 PMBy the looks of Armagh's McKenna Cup panel we're not taking it very seriously. Lot of the U20 panel
do you have link to panel? Glad to hear that. Hate the thoughts of the likes of Grugan, Murnin and Soupy slogging away in January up in Ballybofey. Need them boys fresh for league/championship. Great chance for younger lads to put the hand up and other lads who maybe havent played due to injury to get motoring again.
Edit: seen the facebook post.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 02, 2024, 05:52:45 PMBy the looks of Armagh's McKenna Cup panel we're not taking it very seriously. Lot of the U20 panel
No county should be taking it very seriously, what you see in January will bear little to no resemblance to what you see in the late spring/summer
Quote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
Love how non-rugby fans always have to tell people they don't like rugby. Like Vegans or people that go sober. Just can't help themselves.
Only 6 regular starters from 2023 on Mickeys first team sheet. Young enough starting line up.
Armagh team basically a u21 team plus a few trialists would expect a handy Donegal win.
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 02, 2024, 07:20:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
It was but it is a game which requires a relatively low level of skill in comparison to other field sports so that shouldn't have made that big of a difference.
Anyway, the point was eejits pay 100 quid to watch rugby challenge games so McKenna Cup is decent value.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 09:44:41 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 02, 2024, 07:20:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
It was but it is a game which requires a relatively low level of skill in comparison to other field sports so that shouldn't have made that big of a difference.
Anyway, the point was eejits pay 100 quid to watch rugby challenge games so McKenna Cup is decent value.
Surely not a Cavan man giving out about the price of something??
Quote from: Deerstalker on January 02, 2024, 06:03:15 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 02, 2024, 05:52:45 PMBy the looks of Armagh's McKenna Cup panel we're not taking it very seriously. Lot of the U20 panel
No county should be taking it very seriously, what you see in January will bear little to no resemblance to what you see in the late spring/summer
Wash your mouth out.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 02, 2024, 10:11:45 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 09:44:41 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 02, 2024, 07:20:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
It was but it is a game which requires a relatively low level of skill in comparison to other field sports so that shouldn't have made that big of a difference.
Anyway, the point was eejits pay 100 quid to watch rugby challenge games so McKenna Cup is decent value.
Surely not a Cavan man giving out about the price of something??
Put on yer glasses and have another read of it and you'll see I wasn't complaining.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 09:44:41 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 02, 2024, 07:20:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
It was but it is a game which requires a relatively low level of skill in comparison to other field sports so that shouldn't have made that big of a difference.
Anyway, the point was eejits pay 100 quid to watch rugby challenge games so McKenna Cup is decent value.
No challenge games in rugby as you know. Like the lad said above, not sure why the anti rugby fans must bring it in that often. You wouldn't see the rugby squad send the U20s to play another top team for example
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 03, 2024, 10:41:39 AMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 09:44:41 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 02, 2024, 07:20:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
It was but it is a game which requires a relatively low level of skill in comparison to other field sports so that shouldn't have made that big of a difference.
Anyway, the point was eejits pay 100 quid to watch rugby challenge games so McKenna Cup is decent value.
No challenge games in roughie as you know. Like the lad said above, not sure why the anti rugby fans must bring it in that often. You wouldn't see the rugby squad send the U20s to play another top team for example
The McKenna Cup has a cup for the winner. 25 quid gets you stream of all the games, great value.
Rugby team have the 6 Nations and the world cup. Then the rest are challenge games. Ireland are good at winning the challenge games alright but there are no cups for them as far as I am aware.
Quote from: statto on January 02, 2024, 07:44:00 PMArmagh team basically a u21 team plus a few trialists would expect a handy Donegal win.
Apparently played Dublin last night in a challenge
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 10:55:34 AMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 03, 2024, 10:41:39 AMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 09:44:41 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 02, 2024, 07:20:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 02, 2024, 06:58:27 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 02, 2024, 06:19:15 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 01, 2024, 09:32:13 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM£25 for friendlies 8)
Rugby lads could pay 100 euros to watch friendlies. Count yourself lucky
I'd need to be paid 100 Euro to sit through any rugby match. I don't even think I could manage it
Agreed, I was in a house during Christmas and they were watching Leinster v Munster. I never saw anything as bad. I'd watch Mrs Brown's Boys Christmas special over that.
Ah now, it was played on monsoon conditions, no?
It was but it is a game which requires a relatively low level of skill in comparison to other field sports so that shouldn't have made that big of a difference.
Anyway, the point was eejits pay 100 quid to watch rugby challenge games so McKenna Cup is decent value.
No challenge games in roughie as you know. Like the lad said above, not sure why the anti rugby fans must bring it in that often. You wouldn't see the rugby squad send the U20s to play another top team for example
The McKenna Cup has a cup for the winner. 25 quid gets you stream of all the games, great value.
Rugby team have the 6 Nations and the world cup. Then the rest are challenge games. Ireland are good at winning the challenge games alright but there are no cups for them as far as I am aware.
Not challenge games. Test games. Which existed for 100 years before the Rugby World Cup. Does that mean that rugby was a friendly only sport for 100 years? Come off it...
Look lad, you can't apply standards from one sport to another. What might be a challenge game in GAA (which the McKenna Cup absolutely is - as much as it will interest me) is not in rugby, cricket or otehr such sports. No need to be ignorant on something if you don't understand it or like it. There are no friendlies or challenges in rugby, they're called tests and they count and do matter
Right. My ignorance of the ways of the world are now corrected.
McKenna Cup = Challenge Games
Rugby games with no cup at stake = Not Challenge Games, but "test" Games
Cool.
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 01:58:06 PMRight. My ignorance of the ways of the world are now corrected.
McKenna Cup = Challenge Games
Rugby games with no cup at stake = Not Challenge Games, but "test" Games
Cool.
Yes. Literally that. Look up how test games came about via tours etc and so on. There are non test matches if that's what you're getting confused on
The fact you're p*ss taking with comparing McKenna cup games where Armagh are playing their U20 players while they set up other challenge games for the real squad, with international games between likes of Ireland and South Africa/NZ/Australia and so on shows the ridiculousness of your argument. If you don't understand or grasp what test matches are, feel free to move on from it
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 03, 2024, 03:35:22 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 01:58:06 PMRight. My ignorance of the ways of the world are now corrected.
McKenna Cup = Challenge Games
Rugby games with no cup at stake = Not Challenge Games, but "test" Games
Cool.
Yes. Literally that. Look up how test games came about via tours etc and so on. There are non test matches if that's what you're getting confused on
The fact you're p*ss taking with comparing McKenna cup games where Armagh are playing their U20 players while they set up other challenge games for the real squad, with international games between likes of Ireland and South Africa/NZ/Australia and so on shows the ridiculousness of your argument. If you don't understand or grasp what test matches are, feel free to move on from it
Sound. They always said the Mullahorans were experts on rugby so I bow to your wisdom.
How are the "Test" games going so far?
There will be less test/friendlies in rugby once the new nations league type tournament comes in.
should challange games not be banned during pre season comps otherwise better to get rid of pre season comps and do challange games only dont think the provinvcial councils will be happy they still bring in some revenue i would say.
Derry up by 3 against Cavan at HT in this test match. Derry will have breeze in 2nd half. Derry well organised and brilliant in defence, Cavan very casual and clueless in attack. Can only see a Derry comfortable win.
Derry did a Haka before the game led by Mickey Harte with his tongue hanging out, made all the difference
Will be a test to burn off the big winter asses.
Half time in the other matches Donegal 2-6 Armagh 1-3, Monaghan 0-6 Antrim 0-4
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 08:09:25 PMDerry up by 3 against Cavan at HT in this test match. Derry will have breeze in 2nd half. Derry well organised and brilliant in defence, Cavan very casual and clueless in attack. Can only see a Derry comfortable win.
Derry did a Haka before the game led by Mickey Harte with his tongue hanging out, made all the difference
Did they play two anthems?
Armagh u 20s in Ballybofey Seniors playing Dublin apparently some joke for the 3830 paying customers.
Quote from: skeog on January 03, 2024, 08:20:03 PMArmagh u 20s in Ballybofey Seniors playing Dublin apparently some joke for the 3830 paying customers.
Cry me a river. Everyone seen the team sheets yesterday. It's McKenna cup ffs
Quote from: skeog on January 03, 2024, 08:20:03 PMArmagh u 20s in Ballybofey Seniors playing Dublin apparently some joke for the 3830 paying customers.
Ulster council didn't give a fk about Armagh fans playing the game on a Wednesday nite in Donegal .
Game against Dublin was last night.
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 03:50:33 PMQuote from: Dreadnought on January 03, 2024, 03:35:22 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 01:58:06 PMRight. My ignorance of the ways of the world are now corrected.
McKenna Cup = Challenge Games
Rugby games with no cup at stake = Not Challenge Games, but "test" Games
Cool.
Yes. Literally that. Look up how test games came about via tours etc and so on. There are non test matches if that's what you're getting confused on
The fact you're p*ss taking with comparing McKenna cup games where Armagh are playing their U20 players while they set up other challenge games for the real squad, with international games between likes of Ireland and South Africa/NZ/Australia and so on shows the ridiculousness of your argument. If you don't understand or grasp what test matches are, feel free to move on from it
Sound. They always said the Mullahorans were experts on rugby so I bow to your wisdom.
Played the sport for years as well as GAA so this Mullahoran is at least
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2024, 08:09:25 PMDerry up by 3 against Cavan at HT in this test match. Derry will have breeze in 2nd half. Derry well organised and brilliant in defence, Cavan very casual and clueless in attack. Can only see a Derry comfortable win.
Derry did a Haka before the game led by Mickey Harte with his tongue hanging out, made all the difference
Better now though, and at least took one of the goal chances. Gerry Smith had looked good since coming on, while Oisin Brady has played very well so far. Draw game now
Men against boys in Donegal v Armagh, which you would expect given the selection. Michael Langan and Oisin Gallen prominent for Donegal, a couple of Armagh players put their hands up.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 03, 2024, 09:11:40 PMMen against boys in Donegal v Armagh, which you would expect given the selection. Michael Langan and Oisin Gallen prominent for Donegal, a couple of Armagh players put their hands up.
Which players?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 03, 2024, 09:11:40 PMMen against boys in Donegal v Armagh, which you would expect given the selection. Michael Langan and Oisin Gallen prominent for Donegal, a couple of Armagh players put their hands up.
Sam's for the hills
Thought Derry looked comfortable for most of the game. The Cavan goal was probably a free out for Derry but McEvoy should have been stronger.
Thought we defended very well and Paul Cassidy Forbes and Declan Cassidy were good up front. Thought Baker showed well in defence for his first start and McGrogan and Doherty steady as usual.
Happy enough
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 03, 2024, 09:15:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 03, 2024, 09:11:40 PMMen against boys in Donegal v Armagh, which you would expect given the selection. Michael Langan and Oisin Gallen prominent for Donegal, a couple of Armagh players put their hands up.
Which players?
Luke McKeever and O'Hagan had a couple of nice scores, Keenan Campbell and Callum O'Neill seemed like useful players.
Quote from: screenexile on January 03, 2024, 09:50:48 PMThought Derry looked comfortable for most of the game. The Cavan goal was probably a free out for Derry but McEvoy should have been stronger.
Thought we defended very well and Paul Cassidy Forbes and Declan Cassidy were good up front. Thought Baker showed well in defence for his first start and McGrogan and Doherty steady as usual.
Happy enough
Baker was excellent throughout, very assured. Some night for the Steelstown club, 4 playing and all 4 scored. Deccie Cassidy the pick of the bunch tonight, serious amount of possessions, couple of wayward passes but very positive throughout
€4 for a curry chip, another resolution bites the dust
Finbar Roarty lined out for Donegal tonight despite not yet having made a senior appearance for Naomh Chonaill!
Has that ever happened before?
He the wing back from last years minor team, if so, still abit young for this level.
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2024, 12:43:38 AMFinbar Roarty lined out for Donegal tonight despite not yet having made a senior appearance for Naomh Chonaill!
Has that ever happened before?
Didn't some of the Armagh players also achieve this in game?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 04, 2024, 01:26:53 AMHe the wing back from last years minor team, if so, still abit young for this level.
Loads
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 04, 2024, 02:15:24 AMQuote from: J70 on January 04, 2024, 12:43:38 AMFinbar Roarty lined out for Donegal tonight despite not yet having made a senior appearance for Naomh Chonaill!
Has that ever happened before?
Didn't some of the Armagh players also achieve this in game?
Hendron and Boylan who were on the bench where the same but didn't get minutes.
Armagh getting a tanking was not a surprise once the line ups became known.
The bigger question is how long do the GAA persist with a pre-season competition that counties have little interest in playing in what is already an overstacked calendar.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:55:35 AMArmagh getting a tanking was not a surprise once the line ups became known.
The bigger question is how long do the GAA persist with a pre-season competition that counties have little interest in playing in what is already an overstacked calendar.
The point is that some counties think it useful in a given year and these might even vary from year to year.
Quote from: the_daddy on January 04, 2024, 10:00:43 AMSo Donegal played an ineligible player?
How he ineligible player?
If he turns 18 this year he's ok.
Quote from: the_daddy on January 04, 2024, 10:00:43 AMSo Donegal played an ineligible player?
Jimmy's Making Mistakes
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:55:35 AMArmagh getting a tanking was not a surprise once the line ups became known.
The bigger question is how long do the GAA persist with a pre-season competition that counties have little interest in playing in what is already an overstacked calendar.
Strange one by Armagh management to clash their challenge with the Donegal McKenna cup game.
Could somewhat understand that if a Connacht team did it as their pre-season competition games are played indoors and foreign to what is to come with the outdoor NFL games but Donegal under McGuinness was decent enough of a challenge than organising another one?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 04, 2024, 01:29:19 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:55:35 AMArmagh getting a tanking was not a surprise once the line ups became known.
The bigger question is how long do the GAA persist with a pre-season competition that counties have little interest in playing in what is already an overstacked calendar.
Strange one by Armagh management to clash their challenge with the Donegal McKenna cup game.
Could somewhat understand that if a Connacht team did it as their pre-season competition games are played indoors and foreign to what is to come with the outdoor NFL games but Donegal under McGuinness was decent enough of a challenge than organising another one?
We play them next month in the league so better to try things out against a team we don't play .
Quote from: naka on January 04, 2024, 02:18:28 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 04, 2024, 01:29:19 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:55:35 AMArmagh getting a tanking was not a surprise once the line ups became known.
The bigger question is how long do the GAA persist with a pre-season competition that counties have little interest in playing in what is already an overstacked calendar.
Strange one by Armagh management to clash their challenge with the Donegal McKenna cup game.
Could somewhat understand that if a Connacht team did it as their pre-season competition games are played indoors and foreign to what is to come with the outdoor NFL games but Donegal under McGuinness was decent enough of a challenge than organising another one?
We play them next month in the league so better to try things out against a team we don't play .
100%
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:55:35 AMArmagh getting a tanking was not a surprise once the line ups became known.
The bigger question is how long do the GAA persist with a pre-season competition that counties have little interest in playing in what is already an overstacked calendar.
Is Armagh playing Dublin this week in a friendly?
Armagh played Dublin last night in challenge game. Sent the U20s to fulfill the McKenna Cup fixture.
How did that game finish?
Quote from: ck on January 04, 2024, 04:58:55 PMArmagh played Dublin last night in challenge game. Sent the U20s to fulfill the McKenna Cup fixture.
Seriously? That's one hell of a snub if true.
Just right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.
Was that a panel for the whole competition or just that match? 🤔
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 07:50:27 PMJust right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.
so they just went to Dublin instead?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 07:50:27 PMJust right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.
That's one way of spinning it. The other way is that Armagh showed the competition complete disrespect. They sent their u20s to take a hiding which did them no favours at all. Meanwhile, instead of fulfilling their obligations McGeeney brought his players to Dublin to play the All-Ireland Champions, perhaps they see themselves more at Dublins level and Donegal are below them? All in all, a very strange call by Armagh no matter how you look at it.
Armagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking.
For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.
Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking.
For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.
Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.
Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.
And yet, he has won zero as a manager.
While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:00:05 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking.
For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.
Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.
Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.
And yet, he has won zero as a manager.
While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.
The McKenna cup is a crappy pre season competition. I don't see why so many people care how teams approach it.
With all due respect, Geezer would have no interest in his Armagh team trying to be like Cavan.
McGeeney not wanting to show his hand for the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: toby47 on January 05, 2024, 09:27:00 AMQuote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:00:05 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking.
For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.
Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.
Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.
And yet, he has won zero as a manager.
While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.
The McKenna cup is a crappy pre season competition. I don't see why so many people care how teams approach it.
With all due respect, Geezer would have no interest in his Armagh team trying to be like Cavan.
Maybe not, but then even Cavan have an ambition to win something which is why they wouldn't dream of appointing a bluffer like "Geezer"
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
How many are in Sigerson teams? I had a look at the UUJ and Queens panels and I think there were 5 Armagh combined - that's a different discussion as to why we have so few. I doubt any who played on Wednesday were among them
Quote from: ck on January 04, 2024, 09:21:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 07:50:27 PMJust right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.
That's one way of spinning it. The other way is that Armagh showed the competition complete disrespect. They sent their u20s to take a hiding which did them no favours at all. Meanwhile, instead of fulfilling their obligations McGeeney brought his players to Dublin to play the All-Ireland Champions, perhaps they see themselves more at Dublins level and Donegal are below them? All in all, a very strange call by Armagh no matter how you look at it.
Armagh wouldn't be the first team to 'disrespect' the competition.
Any details on this game v Dublin?
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 05, 2024, 09:29:36 AMMcGeeney not wanting to show his hand for the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Show his hand? Unless he's being growing players in a lab I doubt it's a big secret what his hand is. we're a small county and we can't pull 5 David Cliffords in that no one is gonna know about.
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:00:05 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.
I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.
Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.
Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking.
For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.
Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.
Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.
And yet, he has won zero as a manager.
While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.
And got a much bigger hiding than our u20s got in Ballybofey.
Not the first time teams have played an u20 team or been off on team holidays in this window. Couldn't care less - McKenna Cup is a pot filler for the Ulster Council and no more at this stage.
National League is the focus at this stage.
Some people getting their knickers in a twist about a McKenna cup game and the usual guys talking dung as they've done for years looking a reaction. The long running joke was even the McKenna's didn't go to watch the McKenna cup, it's there to win if you want to take it seriously and it's there to experiment with youth or however you want. If he'd fielded a strong team and still got beat then that would have been another shit show on here.
Donegal would have known well in advance of the Armagh team and what they were going to face/expect, it was a win win for everyone. Donegal got a run out and tried a few players getting minutes into their legs and Armagh got their young guns a game and there were a few who done themselves not harm at all but as someone stated earlier Donegal were always going to win this game handy enough and thats what happened...Build a bridge for yourselves frig sake.
Quote from: illdecide on January 05, 2024, 10:27:12 AMSome people getting their knickers in a twist about a McKenna cup game and the usual guys talking dung as they've done for years looking a reaction. The long running joke was even the McKenna's didn't go to watch the McKenna cup, it's there to win if you want to take it seriously and it's there to experiment with youth or however you want. If he'd fielded a strong team and still got beat then that would have been another shit show on here.
Donegal would have known well in advance of the Armagh team and what they were going to face/expect, it was a win win for everyone. Donegal got a run out and tried a few players getting minutes into their legs and Armagh got their young guns a game and there were a few who done themselves not harm at all but as someone stated earlier Donegal were always going to win this game handy enough and thats what happened...Build a bridge for yourselves frig sake.
Good post. Should be the end of it. Somehow I doubt it tho
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 05, 2024, 11:09:05 AMQuote from: illdecide on January 05, 2024, 10:27:12 AMSome people getting their knickers in a twist about a McKenna cup game and the usual guys talking dung as they've done for years looking a reaction. The long running joke was even the McKenna's didn't go to watch the McKenna cup, it's there to win if you want to take it seriously and it's there to experiment with youth or however you want. If he'd fielded a strong team and still got beat then that would have been another shit show on here.
Donegal would have known well in advance of the Armagh team and what they were going to face/expect, it was a win win for everyone. Donegal got a run out and tried a few players getting minutes into their legs and Armagh got their young guns a game and there were a few who done themselves not harm at all but as someone stated earlier Donegal were always going to win this game handy enough and thats what happened...Build a bridge for yourselves frig sake.
Good post. Should be the end of it. Somehow I doubt it tho
Armagh have had similar mismatches in games like this even when they had players of all ages selected, the U20s did rightly.
So why exactly did Armagh send a young team out? I haven't read a credible answer yet. Like, it's not cause of travel given that they went to Dublin. Is it really about not wanting to reveal tactics before a league game? Seems hard to belive that; Armagh are a settled team with relatively well established patterns of play. Is it that they wouldn't get enough of a challenge from Donegal? Possibly, but the gap isn't that big. 2 fingers to the McKenna cup? Don't see why they would want to do that.
Genuinely interested.
Its especially difficult to beat a neighboring side whom you know very well... twice...in a matter of weeks. McGeeney swerved it saving his powder for the league game. Sound move in my opinion.
The only thing I took from the game was that we could have big concerns at the GK position for the league.
I've no real problem with the decision to approach it like an U20 game but I would have preferred a few fringe players from the senior squad last year included too.
As a club, it was nice to see a lot of our younger lads get a run out.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 05, 2024, 11:35:07 AMThe only thing I took from the game was that we could have big concerns at the GK position for the league.
I've no real problem with the decision to approach it like an U20 game but I would have preferred a few fringe players from the senior squad last year included too.
As a club, it was nice to see a lot of our younger lads get a run out.
Blaine Hughes and Shea Magill both grand options. Yous DLB's are doing something right for sure, credit to the club.
McGeeney feared of a potential McKenna Cup semi or final penalty shootout
Quote from: StephenC on January 05, 2024, 11:24:03 AMSo why exactly did Armagh send a young team out? I haven't read a credible answer yet. Like, it's not cause of travel given that they went to Dublin. Is it really about not wanting to reveal tactics before a league game? Seems hard to belive that; Armagh are a settled team with relatively well established patterns of play. Is it that they wouldn't get enough of a challenge from Donegal? Possibly, but the gap isn't that big. 2 fingers to the McKenna cup? Don't see why they would want to do that.
Genuinely interested.
I think you answered it yourself. A settled team, try to find a few youngsters capable of standing up, and bring them on a bit.
I can't see what he's done wrong, approach it whatever way you see fit. Dublin done the same a few years ago and got a few players like Sean Bugler, Tom Lahiff & McMahon who then went on to start league games that year and ended up with All-Ireland medals a few years later.
No big deal, teams have done it before, teams will do it again next year. Are people going to cry every time it happens.
Quote from: toby47 on January 05, 2024, 12:16:37 PMQuote from: StephenC on January 05, 2024, 11:24:03 AMSo why exactly did Armagh send a young team out? I haven't read a credible answer yet. Like, it's not cause of travel given that they went to Dublin. Is it really about not wanting to reveal tactics before a league game? Seems hard to belive that; Armagh are a settled team with relatively well established patterns of play. Is it that they wouldn't get enough of a challenge from Donegal? Possibly, but the gap isn't that big. 2 fingers to the McKenna cup? Don't see why they would want to do that.
Genuinely interested.
I think you answered it yourself. A settled team, try to find a few youngsters capable of standing up, and bring them on a bit.
I can't see what he's done wrong, approach it whatever way you see fit. Dublin done the same a few years ago and got a few players like Sean Bugler, Tom Lahiff & McMahon who then went on to start league games that year and ended up with All-Ireland medals a few years later.
No big deal, teams have done it before, teams will do it again next year. Are people going to cry every time it happens.
Yes.
Quote from: StephenC on January 05, 2024, 11:24:03 AMSo why exactly did Armagh send a young team out? I haven't read a credible answer yet. Like, it's not cause of travel given that they went to Dublin. Is it really about not wanting to reveal tactics before a league game? Seems hard to belive that; Armagh are a settled team with relatively well established patterns of play. Is it that they wouldn't get enough of a challenge from Donegal? Possibly, but the gap isn't that big. 2 fingers to the McKenna cup? Don't see why they would want to do that.
Genuinely interested.
Armagh or any team for that matter don't have to give u a reason, two teams got a run out instead of fielding one team and a shit show of sending a different team on at HT and it like a circus. It is what it is and park it, no one died and loads of guys got a game of football who wouldn't normally get one...winner winner...
Quote from: StephenC on January 05, 2024, 11:24:03 AMSo why exactly did Armagh send a young team out? I haven't read a credible answer yet. Like, it's not cause of travel given that they went to Dublin. Is it really about not wanting to reveal tactics before a league game? Seems hard to belive that; Armagh are a settled team with relatively well established patterns of play. Is it that they wouldn't get enough of a challenge from Donegal? Possibly, but the gap isn't that big. 2 fingers to the McKenna cup? Don't see why they would want to do that.
Genuinely interested.
They wanted to. That should be that really
Thanks lads. I really appreciate the genuine and non-defensive nature of the replies.
They should rename the mckenna cup the ulster trophy or ulster plate or something.
The McKenna Cup is challenge games on steroids
Quote from: the_daddy on January 04, 2024, 10:00:43 AMSo Donegal played an ineligible player?
Yes and it's either through complete ignorance or a case of sticking two fingers up at the rules. Derry had to withdraw Callum Brown from the starting line up a few years ago for the exact same reason.
The McKenna Cup has a long and interesting history. Some of it is listed here on Wikipedia but a lot is missing from my own high level reading on it. Deserves a little bit of respect in my opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_McKenna_Cup
Quote from: Wolfetones on January 05, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: the_daddy on January 04, 2024, 10:00:43 AMSo Donegal played an ineligible player?
Yes and it's either through complete ignorance or a case of sticking two fingers up at the rules. Derry had to withdraw Callum Brown from the starting line up a few years ago for the exact same reason.
According to Jimmy the young player in question hadn't even trained with his senior club yet which begs the question why did they play him. Were they actively sticking 2 fingers up at the rules. It would be very hard to believe that someone at intercounty level woulnd't have been aware of the rules.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 05, 2024, 05:02:39 PMQuote from: Wolfetones on January 05, 2024, 04:52:21 PMQuote from: the_daddy on January 04, 2024, 10:00:43 AMSo Donegal played an ineligible player?
Yes and it's either through complete ignorance or a case of sticking two fingers up at the rules. Derry had to withdraw Callum Brown from the starting line up a few years ago for the exact same reason.
According to Jimmy the young player in question hadn't even trained with his senior club yet which begs the question why did they play him. Were they actively sticking 2 fingers up at the rules. It would be very hard to believe that someone at intercounty level woulnd't have been aware of the rules.
Armagh should get the points ;D
Quote from: naka on January 05, 2024, 06:59:34 PMArmagh should get the points ;D
That seems reasonable.
I was in Donegal over the weekend and Jimmy's Winning Matches was flat out in the pub. The good times are back.
I don't understand why people think it needs to be taken really seriously. It's a warm up competition. The competition was dead on its feet until the league shifted to only being post Christmas. I don't know why there is a perception that it should be taken seriously. It's usually won by the team who takes it most seriously and doesn't mean that much...
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2024, 10:17:56 PMI don't understand why people think it needs to be taken really seriously. It's a warm up competition. The competition was dead on its feet until the league shifted to only being post Christmas. I don't know why there is a perception that it should be taken seriously. It's usually won by the team who takes it most seriously and doesn't mean that much...
I wish we took it seriously ;D
Ach I think some people just like the excitement of inter-county football being back. It's a bit like the Charity Shield.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 05, 2024, 10:19:39 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2024, 10:17:56 PMI don't understand why people think it needs to be taken really seriously. It's a warm up competition. The competition was dead on its feet until the league shifted to only being post Christmas. I don't know why there is a perception that it should be taken seriously. It's usually won by the team who takes it most seriously and doesn't mean that much...
I wish we took it seriously ;D
;D
Yeah charity shield good analogy. It's a good place for fringe players to stake a claim for the league.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2024, 10:17:56 PMI don't understand why people think it needs to be taken really seriously. It's a warm up competition. The competition was dead on its feet until the league shifted to only being post Christmas. I don't know why there is a perception that it should be taken seriously. It's usually won by the team who takes it most seriously and doesn't mean that much...
The national league was changed from "split either side of Christmas" to "all after Christmas" in 2002. The McKenna Cup was halted for 2001 and 2002. It restarted in 2003 as a pre league round robin tournament we know today.
Before 2001 the McKenna Cup was played after the league and before the championship. It was also a knock out tournament during that time. There were often problems with fitting it in to the space between league and championship. For example, the 1968 McKenna Cup final ended up being played after the league finished in 1969. Cavan beat Down in the final. They were only champions for 1 week as the following weekend they were knocked out of the 1969 McKenna cup at the quarter final stage. I think I will write a book on it.
Armagh had 52 players on the match day Ulster final programme last year, how about giving them lads a game?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 06, 2024, 07:22:29 AMArmagh had 52 players on the match day Ulster final programme last year, how about giving them lads a game?
If you bothered your arse to read the thread before making a smart arse comment you'd know they got a game.
Harte out. *
Depending on wind and whether the game turns around ;D
No wind af the game, game played at a very slow pace, both teams missing alot of scores. Nearly think neither team don't want a few more games.It is freezing though.
Thought Derry were poor in the first half but we're back to our usual selves in the second half.
Down couldn't cope with the defending and the speed we have and only 2 points conceded in a half is very encouraging.
McKinless MOTM looks like no worries after that injury last year.
Quote from: screenexile on January 06, 2024, 07:37:11 PMThought Derry were poor in the first half but we're back to our usual selves in the second half.
Down couldn't cope with the defending and the speed we have and only 2 points conceded in a half is very encouraging.
McKinless MOTM looks like no worries after that injury last year.
Down were decent in first half and could have been further ahead but as you say Derry stepped it up a bit in the second half and Downs forwards got no change at all from Derrys defenders.
From a Down point of view I'd say Laverty will be happy enough, its good to get a tough match against a very good team so early in the year and good to get a few players back on the pitch who missed last year.
Someone should've told Derry and Down that McKenna Cup doesn't matter. Game hinged on a really bad miss from a free for Down and a black card given when it should've been a free in.
Quote from: Itchy on January 06, 2024, 07:57:31 PMSomeone should've told Derry and Down that McKenna Cup doesn't matter. Game hinged on a really bad miss from a free for Down and a black card given when it should've been a free in.
it matters to Mickey Harte.
Quote from: statto on January 06, 2024, 09:31:50 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 06, 2024, 07:57:31 PMSomeone should've told Derry and Down that McKenna Cup doesn't matter. Game hinged on a really bad miss from a free for Down and a black card given when it should've been a free in.
it matters to Mickey Harte.
Indeed and Mickey Harte is by far the most successful manager in it. There was a lot of fist pumping from Derry
Down havr a quick fast team but lacking size in too many places.once Rodgers switched players and had Murdock on the back foot, I couldn't see were Down were going to get scores at.Derry goalkeeper abit wild on it. I couldn't bare that come championship.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 06, 2024, 10:40:45 PMDown havr a quick fast team but lacking size in too many places.once Rodgers switched players and had Murdock on the back foot, I couldn't see were Down were going to get scores at.Derry goalkeeper abit wild on it. I couldn't bare that come championship.
I thought the keeper was very good for his first performance. I remember one loose pass in second half but he got plenty of short kickouts off and was good on the ball.
Quote from: Mario on January 06, 2024, 10:49:55 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 06, 2024, 10:40:45 PMDown havr a quick fast team but lacking size in too many places.once Rodgers switched players and had Murdock on the back foot, I couldn't see were Down were going to get scores at.Derry goalkeeper abit wild on it. I couldn't bare that come championship.
I thought the keeper was very good for his first performance. I remember one loose pass in second half but he got plenty of short kickouts off and was good on the ball.
Derry were woeful in the first half, but much better in the 2nd, though only as good as you'd expect this time of year.
Down look like a team with Meenagh in background, I'd expect them to push on tbh, but they are missing a few forwards.
Donegal should have been out of sight at half Time.
Quote from: ONeill on January 07, 2024, 01:43:37 PMDonegal should have been out of sight at half Time.
Looks like Donegal are probably ahead of the rest in prep for this time of year. Should have a very strong league campaign
Both teams out of sight now in the 2nd half. You wouldn't want to be the commentators.
Quote from: square_ball on January 07, 2024, 02:04:17 PMBoth teams out of sight now in the 2nd half. You wouldn't want to be the commentators.
One team 4 up, 1 team 2 up? Hardly out of sight?
Quote from: Itchy on January 07, 2024, 02:06:39 PMQuote from: square_ball on January 07, 2024, 02:04:17 PMBoth teams out of sight now in the 2nd half. You wouldn't want to be the commentators.
One team 4 up, 1 team 2 up? Hardly out of sight?
Fog
Whoooosh
Much better second half by Tyrone. All the changes took the steam out of the comeback, especially Darragh going off. Was hard to see who played well although McGarrity seemed to play rightly when he came on, and Niall Devlin prominent.
Good win for Fermanagh today
Should have won by alot more .
Missed a lot but encouraging signs.
Quote from: FermGael on January 07, 2024, 03:06:28 PMGood win for Fermanagh today
Should have won by alot more .
Missed a lot but encouraging signs.
We ain't showing our hands in that aul competition ;D
www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/67904014.amp
There is the bbc report of the Down Derry game. Maybe i misread but i cant see one Down player named never mind Down scorers.
That's Down flying under the radar...
No Armagh U20s for Tyrone on Wednesday night I hear. Should be some semblance of a strong team.
What way the last game going, is it null and void or do Armagh get the points?
Are Tyrone not coming?
There's a Garth Brooks documentary on that night.
Armagh getting the points now from the Donegal game?
8 week ban for McGuinness
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2024, 05:57:28 PM8 week ban for McGuinness
Class. It'll be appealed and overturned though because this is GAA we're talking about.
Jimmys winning suspensions
Soon to be
Jimmys winning appeals
Given the fact that backroom teams are now stacked with personnel, I find it hard to believe that any team at intercounty level wouldn't know the rules. This sort of stuff is right up Jimmys street, I wouldn't be surprised if he is quietly happy about the suspension. He can play the victim, create a siege mentality and Donegal will benefit longer term.
Is the game not declared void or points awarded to the other team?
Will this not be good for him to build up the attritional mentality...
Donegal lose the points, but as Armagh didn't appeal they don't get them.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2024, 05:57:28 PM8 week ban for McGuinness
Jaysus.
What is the extent of the ban?
Touch line only?
Everything, including training?
Quote from: Estimator on January 08, 2024, 07:13:47 PMDonegal lose the points, but as Armagh didn't appeal they don't get them.
The GAA really is a bizarre entity! :D
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 08, 2024, 06:05:59 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2024, 05:57:28 PM8 week ban for McGuinness
Class. It'll be appealed and overturned though because this is GAA we're talking about.
Just once it would be nice if the team in question accepted it.
But yeah, we'll be going through the regs with a fine tooth comb looking for a misplaced comma.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 08, 2024, 06:44:26 PMGiven the fact that backroom teams are now stacked with personnel, I find it hard to believe that any team at intercounty level wouldn't know the rules. This sort of stuff is right up Jimmys street, I wouldn't be surprised if he is quietly happy about the suspension. He can play the victim, create a siege mentality and Donegal will benefit longer term.
Siege mentality only works when you are perceived to have been punished unfairly. He clearly broke the rules.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 08, 2024, 07:52:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 08, 2024, 06:44:26 PMGiven the fact that backroom teams are now stacked with personnel, I find it hard to believe that any team at intercounty level wouldn't know the rules. This sort of stuff is right up Jimmys street, I wouldn't be surprised if he is quietly happy about the suspension. He can play the victim, create a siege mentality and Donegal will benefit longer term.
Siege mentality only works when you are perceived to have been punished unfairly. He clearly broke the rules.
😂😂😂
You'd need to tell that to every Tyrone team... ever!
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2024, 07:56:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 08, 2024, 07:52:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 08, 2024, 06:44:26 PMGiven the fact that backroom teams are now stacked with personnel, I find it hard to believe that any team at intercounty level wouldn't know the rules. This sort of stuff is right up Jimmys street, I wouldn't be surprised if he is quietly happy about the suspension. He can play the victim, create a siege mentality and Donegal will benefit longer term.
Siege mentality only works when you are perceived to have been punished unfairly. He clearly broke the rules.
😂😂😂
You'd need to tell that to every Tyrone team... ever!
Completely lost on him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2024, 09:23:34 PMQuote from: screenexile on January 08, 2024, 07:56:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 08, 2024, 07:52:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 08, 2024, 06:44:26 PMGiven the fact that backroom teams are now stacked with personnel, I find it hard to believe that any team at intercounty level wouldn't know the rules. This sort of stuff is right up Jimmys street, I wouldn't be surprised if he is quietly happy about the suspension. He can play the victim, create a siege mentality and Donegal will benefit longer term.
Siege mentality only works when you are perceived to have been punished unfairly. He clearly broke the rules.
😂😂😂
You'd need to tell that to every Tyrone team... ever!
Completely lost on him
Not lost however there has to be some feeling of mistreated for a siege to work. Not sure how donegal can feel mistreated in this case when it must have been known they were feilding an ineligible player.
It was either stupid or deliberate but its a clear rule breach. No big deal anyway as it will be over turned or significantly reduced. Gaa bans dont stick.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2024, 05:57:28 PM8 week ban for McGuinness
Did no-one think to check the rules before they played the boy? Very foolish move by people who should know batter.
Quote from: ck on January 08, 2024, 10:09:52 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2024, 05:57:28 PM8 week ban for McGuinness
Did no-one think to check the rules before they played the boy? Very foolish move by people who should know batter.
It's the county secretary's job first and foremost
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2024, 10:13:07 PMQuote from: ck on January 08, 2024, 10:09:52 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2024, 05:57:28 PM8 week ban for McGuinness
Did no-one think to check the rules before they played the boy? Very foolish move by people who should know batter.
It's the county secretary's job first and foremost
It's hard to believe it's accidental but it'll all be undone shortly with the appeal
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 08, 2024, 10:04:49 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2024, 09:23:34 PMQuote from: screenexile on January 08, 2024, 07:56:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 08, 2024, 07:52:06 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 08, 2024, 06:44:26 PMGiven the fact that backroom teams are now stacked with personnel, I find it hard to believe that any team at intercounty level wouldn't know the rules. This sort of stuff is right up Jimmys street, I wouldn't be surprised if he is quietly happy about the suspension. He can play the victim, create a siege mentality and Donegal will benefit longer term.
Siege mentality only works when you are perceived to have been punished unfairly. He clearly broke the rules.
😂😂😂
You'd need to tell that to every Tyrone team... ever!
Completely lost on him
Not lost however there has to be some feeling of mistreated for a siege to work. Not sure how donegal can feel mistreated in this case when it must have been known they were feilding an ineligible player.
It was either stupid or deliberate but its a clear rule breach. No big deal anyway as it will be over turned or significantly reduced. Gaa bans dont stick.
Its really not a big deal. Lad shouldn't even be ineligible he's 18 years of age ffs.
If eligible, should he be looking at 18 year olds anyway?
I'm sure there's 20 other 'seasoned' club players he could be looking at.
Would that not be more benefical to Donegal, or any county, for that matter?
Biggest impact here to young Roarty. Imagine the excitement for him and his family as he lined out, then to find out that he cannot play at all in 2024. Serious questions to be asked of the Donegal setup for that reason alone.
"McGuinness' proposed ban pertains to all team activities – managing, directing, assisting, or communicating with the team in any way during the period of the time-based suspension. "
If you're good enough you're old enough. Thats how I'd always view it tbh.
Not anymore the lads probably playing Senior and Minor for club U20s and Schools football... Clifford didn't play until he was 19 Murphy until he was
18, what's the rush in playing a lad so young??
Will be surprised if that 8 week bans sticks and if it does can Jim still sit in the stand and have mic in his ear in contact with the side line?
It common knowledge with this rule after Derry had to pull Callun Brown out at the last minute a few yrs back as he wasn't the correct age.
The rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?
Quote from: the goal was on on January 09, 2024, 08:57:41 AMThe rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?
Exactly. Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players. The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 09, 2024, 09:04:33 AMQuote from: the goal was on on January 09, 2024, 08:57:41 AMThe rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?
Exactly. Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players. The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow.
It all falls on the County Secetary its up to them to be up to date on the rules and regulations.
Ever more proof that GAA people only want rules when it suits them.
Every single person in the Donegal changing room would have known Robert was ineligible, including the player himself. I can guarantee you that this was made clear by at least one administrator to the management.
But Jimmy thinks he's smarter and bigger than the game.
I should hope the ban sticks.
I honestly would say it's all a game. Remember the Cassidy Bogue thing. Almost feels like that. Build a them against us mentality and we'll show them etc.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 09, 2024, 09:04:33 AMQuote from: the goal was on on January 09, 2024, 08:57:41 AMThe rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?
Exactly. Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players. The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow.
Not just the young lad's club. Jim is a Naomh Conaill man too.
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2024, 11:13:56 AMQuote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 09, 2024, 09:04:33 AMQuote from: the goal was on on January 09, 2024, 08:57:41 AMThe rules are there for everyone and I'm sure all top managers would be aware of them. They are there to protect youngsters in the long term. So Donegal/jim didnt know he wasn't available to play this year! I know he has been out of game for long time but surely minor/club/u21 bosses would have been able to tell him. If he was aware but still played him then you have to take the consequences. I'm sure there has been a few other youngsters teams may have liked to play over the years. Particularly the weaker counties . Simple question for journalists to ask Jim - were you aware of rule?
Exactly. Club bosses throughout the county (including the young lads own club, who i'm sure would love to have been playing him) would know the rules around playing underage players. The question should be put directly to him alright, he isn't that slow.
Not just the young lad's club. Jim is a Naomh Conaill man too.
Jimmy actually stated in a post match interview that the young lad had yet to train with his club senior team (Jimmys own club). So its simply not believable that they wouldn't have been aware of the fact that he was ineligible.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/donegal-jim-mcguinness-eamon-mcgee-296671?fbclid=IwAR1n2jVfqZ9IGZDeD_3INT40T_zaT9BIB5psUjRl6a5p8jWTMv6x2cnR-S0
Siege mentality predictions were right
For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 09, 2024, 01:56:36 PMFor Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.
"Person-in-charge"? :D
You'd swear the GAA purposely write these regs to be ambiguous enough to render them useless.
Throw back to when Tyrone were at it in the McKenna Cup ;)
2007 Tyrone ineligibility dispute
Tyrone caused controversy in 2007 when they fielded four players who had already been selected by University teams. The official rule is that Universities have first choice on players, so in effect, they were fielding ineligible players. Tyrone manager, Mickey Harte, claimed it was the players' own decision to choose to play for the county team over their University. Tyrone were docked two points as a punishment, but this did not affect their progression into the semi-final stage.
Although Tyrone won the final, beating Donegal by 2-09 to 0-05, Tyrone were stripped of their title for fielding the ineligible University players in the match. The players had not been listed on the official team sheet, which was another breach of the rules. However, Tyrone's victory was reinstated upon appeal.
The rule as quoted is Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
So any persons including a manager, coach and County Secretary could be included so it looks like GAA could hand out miultiple bans if they wished.
I'd hazard a guess it is a general term to ensure it captures a range of people who could be in charge such as manager, head coach, secretary etc rather than identify a specific role. If it said Manager in charge of a team it would allow an appeal on the basis that the individual is not the Manager in charge but the Head Coach.
Could also be to ensure joint managers e.g. Tyrone Logan and Dooher, don't escape sanction.
In this case it looks like a straightforward situation and the suspension is warranted.
8 weeks is ridiculous but there's it in black and white. They all should have known better.
Here the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 09, 2024, 02:49:07 PMHere the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,
I know. They did wrong. Take your punishment.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 09, 2024, 01:56:36 PMFor Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.
Would the county secretary even know who's on the panel?
Quote from: trailer on January 09, 2024, 03:29:01 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 09, 2024, 02:49:07 PMHere the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,
I know. They did wrong. Take your punishment.
Someday, in the way distant future, that might happen.
In the meantime, the GAA
rules guidelines/gentle suggestions will remain subject to all kinds of frivolous objection and naked contempt.
Quote from: marty34 on January 09, 2024, 05:32:36 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 09, 2024, 01:56:36 PMFor Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.
Would the county secretary even know who's on the panel?
Considering they have to sign the teamsheets at the very minimum, I'd be surprised if they didn't
Quote from: the_daddy on January 09, 2024, 05:43:03 PMQuote from: marty34 on January 09, 2024, 05:32:36 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 09, 2024, 01:56:36 PMFor Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.
Would the county secretary even know who's on the panel?
Considering they have to sign the teamsheets at the very minimum, I'd be surprised if they didn't
That's what I mean. Do they even look at them in detail?
They just sign it.
they will now ;D
If this is appealed the competition will be put on hold pending a result and with the league starting shortly afterwards it's very unlikely it will ever be finished
Quote from: PMG1 on January 10, 2024, 01:59:04 AMIf this is appealed the competition will be put on hold pending a result and with the league starting shortly afterwards it's very unlikely it will ever be finished
The appeal can only be about Jim's suspension, not the losing of the two points, that's a given as the lad wasn't 18 before the start of 2024.
Clear breach of the rules right there, no comeback from that.
Not knowing the rules shouldn't cut it.
I think Donegal will go through regardless too. (assuming tyrone beat armagh but I imagine they will)
Decent 1st half in Newry, Cavan up by 3. Both teams giving it a right go. Down have missed a good bit.
Decent game in Armagh, now Arm 1-10 Ty 1-08 after 53 mins,
This ref is poor. Decent game so far, Oisin O'Neill very good for Armagh.
Armagh 1-14 Tyrone 2-10 after Armagh goalie lost sight of a high ball.
Any day or night you beat Tyrone is a good night.
Cavan were 6 up 15 mins into 2nd half, ended up 2 behind. Then went 2 up on 70 mins and managed to concede 5 points in 5 mins of injury time. Cavan will find a way to lose
Impressive enough from Armagh considering there's about 3 or 4 realistic championship starters on view. Oisin ONeill a clear MOTM I'd imagine, Cian McConville with a good showing, think a corner back Mcgrane from ballyhegan got 1.1. Good organisation and structure. Cowl night.
Edit. Thought ref was excellent.
Entertaining enough game between Armagh and Tyrone. Too many cheap frees conceded by Tyrone and add in a pile of wides and clear goal chances missed and you won't win many games. That said, Armagh deserved the win based on the second half. Will be interesting to see how many of the Tyrone youngsters appear in the weeks and months ahead. Few of them had their moments without making a strong case for staying on the team.
What is the semi final draw?
Quote from: Itchy on January 10, 2024, 09:14:58 PMCavan were 6 up 15 mins into 2nd half, ended up 2 behind. Then went 2 up on 70 mins and managed to concede 5 points in 5 mins of injury time. Cavan will find a way to lose
Entertaining end to end game though. Down went 35 mins without scoring. And dropped at least 6 shots into keepers hands. Cavan had chances to win though. Ohare thr sweeper keeper for Down was really good.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 10, 2024, 09:35:31 PMEntertaining enough game between Armagh and Tyrone. Too many cheap frees conceded by Tyrone and add in a pile of wides and clear goal chances missed and you won't win many games. That said, Armagh deserved the win based on the second half. Will be interesting to see how many of the Tyrone youngsters appear in the weeks and months ahead. Few of them had their moments without making a strong case for staying on the team.
This is very true. There were times when you thought some of the play was interesting, especially in the full forward line, but then they'd go out of the game or weren't that clinical. Think Tyrone had something like 10 wides and gave away 10 scoreable frees. Though, had Tyrone stolen it at the end it would not have been deserved. Armagh stretched Tyrone at the right times. Morgan probably Tyrone's MOTM.
Some has to be done about the O'Neill yard-grabbing phenomenon. Rian and now Oisin are masters at it. And the ref staring at it.
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2024, 09:46:31 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 10, 2024, 09:35:31 PMEntertaining enough game between Armagh and Tyrone. Too many cheap frees conceded by Tyrone and add in a pile of wides and clear goal chances missed and you won't win many games. That said, Armagh deserved the win based on the second half. Will be interesting to see how many of the Tyrone youngsters appear in the weeks and months ahead. Few of them had their moments without making a strong case for staying on the team.
This is very true. There were times when you thought some of the play was interesting, especially in the full forward line, but then they'd go out of the game or weren't that clinical. Think Tyrone had something like 10 wides and gave away 10 scoreable frees. Though, had Tyrone stolen it at the end it would not have been deserved. Armagh stretched Tyrone at the right times. Morgan probably Tyrone's MOTM.
Some has to be done about the O'Neill yard-grabbing phenomenon. Rian and now Oisin are masters at it. And the ref staring at it.
All free takers do it. Irritates the life out of me
Said it before on here. The white spray they use to mark free kicks in the soccer would cut it out in an instant.
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2024, 09:46:31 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 10, 2024, 09:35:31 PMEntertaining enough game between Armagh and Tyrone. Too many cheap frees conceded by Tyrone and add in a pile of wides and clear goal chances missed and you won't win many games. That said, Armagh deserved the win based on the second half. Will be interesting to see how many of the Tyrone youngsters appear in the weeks and months ahead. Few of them had their moments without making a strong case for staying on the team.
This is very true. There were times when you thought some of the play was interesting, especially in the full forward line, but then they'd go out of the game or weren't that clinical. Think Tyrone had something like 10 wides and gave away 10 scoreable frees. Though, had Tyrone stolen it at the end it would not have been deserved. Armagh stretched Tyrone at the right times. Morgan probably Tyrone's MOTM.
Some has to be done about the O'Neill yard-grabbing phenomenon. Rian and now Oisin are masters at it. And the ref staring at it.
All free takers are not just Armagh free takers
The draw for the 2024 @BankofIrelandUK Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals 🏐🏆
Saturday 13th January
@Armagh_GAA v @Doiregaa
Box-It Athletic Grounds 4pm
Sunday 14th January
@monaghangaa v @officialdonegal
Castleblayney 1pm
#BOIMcKennaCup24
Quote from: bennydorano on January 10, 2024, 10:09:12 PMThe draw for the 2024 @BankofIrelandUK Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals 🏐🏆
Saturday 13th January
@Armagh_GAA v @Doiregaa
Box-It Athletic Grounds 4pm
Sunday 14th January
@monaghangaa v @officialdonegal
Castleblayney 1pm
#BOIMcKennaCup24
How are Derry away? Isn't it based on your finish position?
How did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?
Quote from: p3427977 on January 10, 2024, 10:22:30 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 10, 2024, 10:09:12 PMThe draw for the 2024 @BankofIrelandUK Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals 🏐🏆
Saturday 13th January
@Armagh_GAA v @Doiregaa
Box-It Athletic Grounds 4pm
Sunday 14th January
@monaghangaa v @officialdonegal
Castleblayney 1pm
#BOIMcKennaCup24
How are Derry away? Isn't it based on your finish position?
Just lucky.
Quote from: Orior on January 10, 2024, 10:26:09 PMHow did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?
The game was deemed void so they ended up on 2 points with a +1 point scoring difference after tonight's 1 point win. Down were on 2 points but 0 points score difference after losing by 3 to Derry and winning by 3 against Cavan.
Quote from: Orior on January 10, 2024, 10:26:09 PMHow did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?
And get treated to home advantage on top
Does the £25 pass I bought for the mckenna cup series cover the semis and final?
Down just miss out on the mckenna semis due to the void Donegal /Armagh game which is a bollox...
The McKenna cup is good competition to prepare for the upcoming season.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 10, 2024, 08:54:57 PMThis ref is poor. Decent game so far, Oisin O'Neill very good for Armagh.
Weird one. I thought the ref wasn't great but he was consistent. He blew the same thing all the time. Armagh's first goal came from a very soft free in MF. But then Tyrone got a few strange calls.
Oisin O'Neill had a great game and Jarlath Og Burns changed it in MF for Armagh at HT.
Quinn at 6 pick of the Tyrone team. The young Jones lad and the other Quinn in the corner had good games.
Felt Tyrone had a lot of mistakes in them. Gave away far too many scoreable frees.
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 09:48:19 AMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on January 10, 2024, 08:54:57 PMThis ref is poor. Decent game so far, Oisin O'Neill very good for Armagh.
Weird one. I thought the ref wasn't great but he was consistent. He blew the same thing all the time. Armagh's first goal came from a very soft free in MF. But then Tyrone got a few strange calls.
Oisin O'Neill had a great game and Jarlath Og Burns changed it in MF for Armagh at HT.
Quinn at 6 pick of the Tyrone team. The young Jones lad and the other Quinn in the corner had good games.
Felt Tyrone had a lot of mistakes in them. Gave away far too many scoreable frees.
I thought Jarleth Og had left Armagh? Big positive for them to get him back imo.
I watched the game last night, for me, nothing between the sides. Armagh just looked fitter in the 2nd half. I thought it was a poor enough quality game but still entertaining.
Lots of mistakes by both sides. Tyrone missed a bagful of goal chances!
Armagh obviously trying to focus more on fast counter attacks than last year.
Derry v Armagh should be a decent game, but why is it a home game for Armagh?
I like athletic grounds to be fair, but I thought it was a home game for the teams who topped the groups.
Always good to beat the neighbours no matter what it's in. Great to see a few lads back who've been sorely missed like Grimley and O'Neill.
McGrane and Callum O'Neill done their chances no harm either. Plenty of positives and plenty to work on.
coin toss 4 venues
Nothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
Isn't it typical of the GAA that they not only punish Donegal for the ineligible player but as a knock on Down get punished.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 11, 2024, 08:22:19 AMQuote from: Orior on January 10, 2024, 10:26:09 PMHow did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?
And get treated to home advantage on top
Ah , it's not what you know, it's who you know ;)
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 11, 2024, 12:38:05 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 11, 2024, 08:22:19 AMQuote from: Orior on January 10, 2024, 10:26:09 PMHow did Armagh get through to the semi-final after the tanking by Donegal (who fielded an ineligible player)?
And get treated to home advantage on top
Ah , it's not what you know, it's who you know ;)
It's not who you know, it's who you yes.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 12:13:14 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
I would expect Oisin to be used inside more than Rian. Not sure if Oisin has the mobility for intercounty midfield, him and Murnin inside would be some handful.
Quote from: statto on January 11, 2024, 01:38:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 12:13:14 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
I would expect Oisin to be used inside more than Rian. Not sure if Oisin has the mobility for intercounty midfield, him and Murnin inside would be some handful.
Suppose the 3 lads you mentioned can all play inside or can come out and win a kickout if needed.
Plenty of options for inside forwards as well with Turbo to come back in, Cian McConville is due a big year and hopefully Nugent can keep his Cullyhanna form going.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 03:03:58 PMQuote from: statto on January 11, 2024, 01:38:40 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 11, 2024, 12:13:14 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Cian McConville has that in him at club level would like to see him make the step up and do it for Armagh. Hopefully we get to see Rian spend more time inside this year with Oisin back who's a serious help around the middle.
I would expect Oisin to be used inside more than Rian. Not sure if Oisin has the mobility for intercounty midfield, him and Murnin inside would be some handful.
Suppose the 3 lads you mentioned can all play inside or can come out and win a kickout if needed.
Plenty of options for inside forwards as well with Turbo to come back in, Cian McConville is due a big year and hopefully Nugent can keep his Cullyhanna form going.
Would hope McQuillan can also kick on, think he is a moments player could do nothing all game then have a couple of goals out of nothing. Outside of Conaty and Woods(who has fell off the radar after a good cameo against Galway in AI quarter final), Armagh aren't really coming down with pace in the attack.
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.
Quote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.
Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
No doubt there's someone i've missed out, but Armagh have serious firepower up front, should they stay fit
- Rian ONeill
- Oisin ONeill
- Callum ONeill x2
- Aidan Nugent
- Ross McQuillan
- Jason Duffy
- Andy Murnin
- Soupy Campbell
- Conor Turbitt
- Cian McConville
- Rory Grugan
- Tiernan Kelly
- Jemar Hall
- Justin Kieran
- Oisín Conaty
And good options in midfield
- Jarly Og Burns
- Ciaran Mackin
- Ben Crealey
- Shane McPartlan
- Niall Grimley
Quote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 04:33:35 PMQuote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.
Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
Correct, there was nothing to separate the sides after 100 minutes, just because Derry lifted the cup doesn't make them a better side. Also the previous year Armagh were knocked out to a Galway side on penalties who subsequently beat Derry fairly comfortably in the semi final. I'm not suggesting Armagh are a better side than Derry but if they played again tomorrow with a full hand to pick from then I couldn't call the result either way.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMHere we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
Might as well just give them the cup now
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 04:33:35 PMQuote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.
Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
Wouldn't even bite lol.
Did Monaghan and Derry not draw in the group stage last year? Very little between any of those 4 and if Donegal play to their potential they'd be a similar level.
Quote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
We can dream lol
Suppose don't need to reply to my post as a few have already done that. Sweet Jasus I thought I'd posted something ridiculous 🤷�♂️
Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:44:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 04:33:35 PMQuote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.
Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
Correct, there was nothing to separate the sides after 100 minutes, just because Derry lifted the cup doesn't make them a better side. Also the previous year Armagh were knocked out to a Galway side on penalties who subsequently beat Derry fairly comfortably in the semi final. I'm not suggesting Armagh are a better side than Derry but if they played again tomorrow with a full hand to pick from then I couldn't call the result either way.
Armagh could have beat Derry, maybe even should have beat Derry given all that went on the week leading up the final....but didnt.
The much lauded set of forwards that day were average at best.
I'm not saying this because someone said Armagh is on a par with Derry, I'm saying it because I just do not see where this opinion of Armagh comes from. Armagh I believe do not have enough good footballers, including in the forward line. I dont think the manager is good enough either to push them on. From the outside looking in on Armagh, it feels like focus is to get them so fit and physical and hard to beat that they will win. There's no doubt that goes a long way but you need the footballers and you need tactics. McGeeney is not a tactician.
There is also a mentality issue I think with some of the Armagh players too...they don't seem to be able to push on when they should be able to, case in point against Derry when we were down to 14 men in a week where we lost our manager and had all sorts of upheavals in the camp. Losing on penalties multiple times....it can't all be bad luck. That's a lack of belief, confidence or skill, or all of those.
Relegated last year too.
Derry may well do nothing this year, but in the last 2-3 years have shown they have been better than the rest in Ulster. It's too early this year to say what levels we'll hit or how we compare to Armagh or Tyrone, but we now have a manager with 3 AI titles to his name and a team with consecutive Ulster wins and AI semi finals. Armagh can't come close to comparing with that right now.
No doubt MH was brought in to deliver an AI. I wouldn't be foolish enough to say I think we're going to do it. But I think if we keep our key players fit and maintain that hunger, we will be very close.
I do have a sneaky feeling Donegal will be really dangerous this year though and could knock us out of Ulster day one and if they do, they'd be raging hot favourites for Ulster.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
Derry not win Ulster this Yr, I accepted that already but I still think we get back to an All-Ireland Semi final
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 11, 2024, 07:05:28 PMDerry not win Ulster this Yr, I accepted that already but I still thin we get back to a All-Iteland Semi final
Step away from the glue WW!
Quote from: p3427977 on January 11, 2024, 04:58:47 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMHere we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
Might as well just give them the cup now
Now now now
Trying to work out my holidays as don't want to be missing Armagh taking Sam around the county
The one thing I'll say about those Armagh wans, for a team that has won absolutely feck all, they have some confidence, especially when when you consider they have a manager who has won feck all at club nor county level. I mean, if ever a team had a chance of winning an Ulster last yr, it was Armagh. Played a Derry team that was hit by as a bad a blow that any team could have leading into that final-loosing their manager in the most high profile way possible - Derry were there for the taking - but Armagh still couldn't win the championship.
Jim is a free man!!
Quote from: square_ball on January 12, 2024, 10:05:12 AMJim is a free man!!
I for one, am shocked.
The GAA is a ridiculous organisation. A complete farce.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
All 4 would start the Armagh team. I accept that Armagh probably have more depth in their forward line though.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2024, 10:16:53 AMQuote from: square_ball on January 12, 2024, 10:05:12 AMJim is a free man!!
I for one, am shocked.
The GAA is a ridiculous organisation. A complete farce.
+1.
Why do they bother with all those rules and regulations at all?
"the alleged infraction was not proven"
What on earth does this even mean? Does it mean McGuinness didnt know the rule therefore he couldnt have knowingly broke it?
Seems crazy.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2024, 10:16:53 AMQuote from: square_ball on January 12, 2024, 10:05:12 AMJim is a free man!!
I for one, am shocked.
The GAA is a ridiculous organisation. A complete farce.
His name must have been spelt wrong in Irish in the referee's report.
Why bother having rules or handing out punishments if they can be easily overturned?
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
McGuigan would start while McFaul and Doherty, though both good players, are middle third players, best deployed scavenging for possession, putting in tackles and running the ball up the pitch. Certainly not forwards in the traditional sense. Cassidy wouldn't improve the Armagh team any.
He would surely. Very underrated. Could do with bulking up a bit mind you.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 12, 2024, 10:58:54 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
McGuigan would start while McFaul and Doherty, though both good players, are middle third players, best deployed scavenging for possession, putting in tackles and running the ball up the pitch. Certainly not forwards in the traditional sense. Cassidy wouldn't improve the Armagh team any.
Even for the GAA, where a bit of parochialism is de rigeur, this takes the biscuit for levels of delusion.
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2024, 11:21:55 AMQuote from: yellowcard on January 12, 2024, 10:58:54 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
McGuigan would start while McFaul and Doherty, though both good players, are middle third players, best deployed scavenging for possession, putting in tackles and running the ball up the pitch. Certainly not forwards in the traditional sense. Cassidy wouldn't improve the Armagh team any.
Even for the GAA, where a bit of parochialism is de rigeur, this takes the biscuit for levels of delusion.
It's hilarious ;D
Let's flip this the other way, which of the Armagh forwards would improve the Derry team.
Murnin would be the only one I'd really want. Rian O'neill, maybe for long range frees but he's too much a liability in my view. Admittedly, I don't know enough about those younger players coming through, might be class.
Paul Cassidy - Allstar nominee
S McGuigan - Allstar
E Doherty - Young player of the year
Yellocard says
"Certainly not forwards in the traditional sense". What forwards are these days? Forwards all play as defenders when not in possession, so don't know what this comment is supposed to mean.
I'd be reasonably confident in saying that Armagh might win the McKenna cup.
They might even get promoted out of Div 2.
That would be a successful year for them I think.
They've got the easier side of the draw in Ulster - maybe another Ulster final. Mental strength to win it if they do?
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 09:35:11 AMDoes the £25 pass I bought for the mckenna cup series cover the semis and final?
Just the semis.
TG4 usually cover the final.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 11, 2024, 05:56:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:44:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 11, 2024, 04:33:35 PMQuote from: shawshank on January 11, 2024, 04:24:47 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Go on, tell me where you drew that from analysis from? Derry have won the past two Ulsters, beaten all those teams consistently in the championship the past two seasons, being in two All Ireland semifinals finals. I can see why you had Armagh/tyrone/Donegal and Monaghan all lumped together, but how you put Derry into that dumbs down your post.
Derry drew with Armagh in the Ulster final and won on penalties. That implies that the teams were similar on that day, either could have won.
Correct, there was nothing to separate the sides after 100 minutes, just because Derry lifted the cup doesn't make them a better side. Also the previous year Armagh were knocked out to a Galway side on penalties who subsequently beat Derry fairly comfortably in the semi final. I'm not suggesting Armagh are a better side than Derry but if they played again tomorrow with a full hand to pick from then I couldn't call the result either way.
Armagh could have beat Derry, maybe even should have beat Derry given all that went on the week leading up the final....but didnt.
The much lauded set of forwards that day were average at best.
I'm not saying this because someone said Armagh is on a par with Derry, I'm saying it because I just do not see where this opinion of Armagh comes from. Armagh I believe do not have enough good footballers, including in the forward line. I dont think the manager is good enough either to push them on. From the outside looking in on Armagh, it feels like focus is to get them so fit and physical and hard to beat that they will win. There's no doubt that goes a long way but you need the footballers and you need tactics. McGeeney is not a tactician.
There is also a mentality issue I think with some of the Armagh players too...they don't seem to be able to push on when they should be able to, case in point against Derry when we were down to 14 men in a week where we lost our manager and had all sorts of upheavals in the camp. Losing on penalties multiple times....it can't all be bad luck. That's a lack of belief, confidence or skill, or all of those.
Relegated last year too.
Derry may well do nothing this year, but in the last 2-3 years have shown they have been better than the rest in Ulster. It's too early this year to say what levels we'll hit or how we compare to Armagh or Tyrone, but we now have a manager with 3 AI titles to his name and a team with consecutive Ulster wins and AI semi finals. Armagh can't come close to comparing with that right now.
No doubt MH was brought in to deliver an AI. I wouldn't be foolish enough to say I think we're going to do it. But I think if we keep our key players fit and maintain that hunger, we will be very close.
I do have a sneaky feeling Donegal will be really dangerous this year though and could knock us out of Ulster day one and if they do, they'd be raging hot favourites for Ulster.
2021 - no. Tyrone All-Ireland champions.
2022 - debatable whether Derry were better than Armagh considering respective performances against Galway
2023 - yes
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2024, 11:39:48 AMQuote from: Keyser soze on January 12, 2024, 11:21:55 AMQuote from: yellowcard on January 12, 2024, 10:58:54 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
McGuigan would start while McFaul and Doherty, though both good players, are middle third players, best deployed scavenging for possession, putting in tackles and running the ball up the pitch. Certainly not forwards in the traditional sense. Cassidy wouldn't improve the Armagh team any.
Even for the GAA, where a bit of parochialism is de rigeur, this takes the biscuit for levels of delusion.
It's hilarious ;D
Let's flip this the other way, which of the Armagh forwards would improve the Derry team.
Murnin would be the only one I'd really want. Rian O'neill, maybe for long range frees but he's too much a liability in my view. Admittedly, I don't know enough about those younger players coming through, might be class.
Paul Cassidy - Allstar nominee
S McGuigan - Allstar
E Doherty - Young player of the year
Yellocard says "Certainly not forwards in the traditional sense". What forwards are these days? Forwards all play as defenders when not in possession, so don't know what this comment is supposed to mean.
I'd be reasonably confident in saying that Armagh might win the McKenna cup.
They might even get promoted out of Div 2.
That would be a successful year for them I think.
They've got the easier side of the draw in Ulster - maybe another Ulster final. Mental strength to win it if they do?
Aye no one in Ireland would want Rian O'Neill in their forward line...
Armagh are the greatest team ever. Absolutely unrivalled. Their players are far far superior to any other team.
Now, remind me how many Ulster titles they've won in the last 10 years?
Hard to bate Armagh for absolute delusion. Whole county needs reprogrammed a la Germany 1945
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:52:18 AM2021 - no. Tyrone All-Ireland champions.
2022 - debatable whether Derry were better than Armagh considering respective performances against Galway
2023 - yes
Let's be honest Galway were far superior in the qf that day. They led by 6 points until injury time and then the madness happened. There was a feeling amongst Armagh fans at this time that they missed out on an AI final on pens, totally ignoring the fact they'd have to beat Derry.
My 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Armagh for Sam (we just don't know which year yet!)
Quote from: God14 on January 12, 2024, 12:45:04 PMMy 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Is this a serious post?
Quote from: trailer on January 12, 2024, 12:49:21 PMQuote from: God14 on January 12, 2024, 12:45:04 PMMy 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Is this a serious post?
Oisin O'Neill nailed on, not sure about McGuigan or Rian O'Neill or Ethan though... They'd have to earn their place
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2024, 12:56:33 PMQuote from: trailer on January 12, 2024, 12:49:21 PMQuote from: God14 on January 12, 2024, 12:45:04 PMMy 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Is this a serious post?
Oisin O'Neill nailed on, not sure about McGuigan or Rian O'Neill or Ethan though... They'd have to earn their place
I need a lie down. You guys are f**king crazy.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2024, 12:56:33 PMQuote from: trailer on January 12, 2024, 12:49:21 PMQuote from: God14 on January 12, 2024, 12:45:04 PMMy 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Is this a serious post?
Oisin O'Neill nailed on, not sure about McGuigan or Rian O'Neill or Ethan though... They'd have to earn their place
Have they been practicing penalty shootouts all winter?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 12, 2024, 12:47:26 PMArmagh for Sam (we just don't know which year yet!)
as likely to win it as Derry. ie not
Quote from: Mario on January 12, 2024, 12:40:10 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:52:18 AM2021 - no. Tyrone All-Ireland champions.
2022 - debatable whether Derry were better than Armagh considering respective performances against Galway
2023 - yes
Let's be honest Galway were far superior in the qf that day. They led by 6 points until injury time and then the madness happened. There was a feeling amongst Armagh fans at this time that they missed out on an AI final on pens, totally ignoring the fact they'd have to beat Derry.
disagree. The feeling was more we missed out on a good chance of reaching the final
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2024, 01:43:35 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2024, 12:56:33 PMQuote from: trailer on January 12, 2024, 12:49:21 PMQuote from: God14 on January 12, 2024, 12:45:04 PMMy 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Is this a serious post?
Oisin O'Neill nailed on, not sure about McGuigan or Rian O'Neill or Ethan though... They'd have to earn their place
Have they been practicing penalty shootouts all winter?
Nah, they've been running up mountains carrying bags of cement and spending 8 hrs a day in the gym whilst geezer stares off at something on the horizon ;D
Almost forgot this was a McKenna Cup thread.
Game tomorrow should be good. I'd expect both teams will still be largely experimental.
From a derry pov, I'd like to see some more game time for the fringe players and new panel additions. A win would be a bonus.
I'd imagine Armagh will take a similar approach.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2024, 02:01:48 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2024, 01:43:35 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2024, 12:56:33 PMQuote from: trailer on January 12, 2024, 12:49:21 PMQuote from: God14 on January 12, 2024, 12:45:04 PMMy 6 forwards of Derry / Armagh combined....
Ethan Doherty Oisin O'Neill Soupy Campbell
Andrew Murnin Rian Oneill Shane McGuigan
The reality is however, bar ethan Rafferty in goals, youd nearly go all Derry from 1 to 9
Is this a serious post?
Oisin O'Neill nailed on, not sure about McGuigan or Rian O'Neill or Ethan though... They'd have to earn their place
Have they been practicing penalty shootouts all winter?
Nah, they've been running up mountains carrying bags of cement and spending 8 hrs a day in the gym whilst geezer stares off at something on the horizon ;D
Almost forgot this was a McKenna Cup thread.
Game tomorrow should be good. I'd expect both teams will still be largely experimental.
From a derry pov, I'd like to see some more game time for the fringe players and new panel additions. A win would be a bonus.
I'd imagine Armagh will take a similar approach.
hopefully
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 12, 2024, 02:00:11 PMQuote from: Mario on January 12, 2024, 12:40:10 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:52:18 AM2021 - no. Tyrone All-Ireland champions.
2022 - debatable whether Derry were better than Armagh considering respective performances against Galway
2023 - yes
Let's be honest Galway were far superior in the qf that day. They led by 6 points until injury time and then the madness happened. There was a feeling amongst Armagh fans at this time that they missed out on an AI final on pens, totally ignoring the fact they'd have to beat Derry.
disagree. The feeling was more we missed out on a good chance of reaching the final
Lots of people have a feeling that Armagh were not good enough then, or now.
But sure feelings prove nothing.
For about 25 years I felt Derry could win Ulster.....look where that got us!
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 12, 2024, 02:06:20 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 12, 2024, 02:00:11 PMQuote from: Mario on January 12, 2024, 12:40:10 PMQuote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:52:18 AM2021 - no. Tyrone All-Ireland champions.
2022 - debatable whether Derry were better than Armagh considering respective performances against Galway
2023 - yes
Let's be honest Galway were far superior in the qf that day. They led by 6 points until injury time and then the madness happened. There was a feeling amongst Armagh fans at this time that they missed out on an AI final on pens, totally ignoring the fact they'd have to beat Derry.
disagree. The feeling was more we missed out on a good chance of reaching the final
Lots of people have a feeling that Armagh were not good enough then, or now.
But sure feelings prove nothing.
For about 25 years I felt Derry could win Ulster.....look where that got us!
haha.
Just going on my own feelings and those I would go to games with. Nobody was overlooking derry, but it felt like a missed opportunity
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 12, 2024, 01:58:13 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 12, 2024, 12:47:26 PMArmagh for Sam (we just don't know which year yet!)
as likely to win it as Derry. ie not
Great comeback!!
The difference is Armagh ones seem to make the most noise about how great they are. Empty vessels and all that.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 12, 2024, 02:40:40 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 12, 2024, 01:58:13 PMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 12, 2024, 12:47:26 PMArmagh for Sam (we just don't know which year yet!)
as likely to win it as Derry. ie not
Great comeback!!
The difference is Armagh ones seem to make the most noise about how great they are. Empty vessels and all that.
A great comeback to a great post....
we are far from great. We got relegated to division 2 for a reason. Havent won an ulster in I cant remember how long for a reason. That said we were 2 kicks of the ball away from being Ulster champions and all ireland semi finalists last season. Have to have some hope to cling to right
How has this turned into Armagh for the All-Ireland because i said Armagh, Derry, tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and all could beat each other in any given day. The usual ones are on stirring the pot and there are always guys to react and take the bait. I've always said it for as long as I can remember and I've been around a few corners bar 2002 Armagh will find a way to break your heart consistently and are always the nearly men. Yes we have a decent team but we're 2-3 quality players short of a great team which puts us only in the top 10 teams. To be in the top 2 you need those quality 2-3 players that the Kerry's and Dublin have. Throw a blanket around the next 8 teams and they're all quite similar in ability and it's who turns up on the day or gets that wee bit of luck to get you over the line but ultimately when the best of the rest play the top 2 they will fall short (4 times outta 5). So never mind who would get on who's team as it's all shite talk...
Quote from: illdecide on January 12, 2024, 05:18:47 PMHow has this turned into Armagh for the All-Ireland because i said Armagh, Derry, tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and all could beat each other in any given day. The usual ones are on stirring the pot and there are always guys to react and take the bait. I've always said it for as long as I can remember and I've been around a few corners bar 2002 Armagh will find a way to break your heart consistently and are always the nearly men. Yes we have a decent team but we're 2-3 quality players short of a great team which puts us only in the top 10 teams. To be in the top 2 you need those quality 2-3 players that the Kerry's and Dublin have. Throw a blanket around the next 8 teams and they're all quite similar in ability and it's who turns up on the day or gets that wee bit of luck to get you over the line but ultimately when the best of the rest play the top 2 they will fall short (4 times outta 5). So never mind who would get on who's team as it's all shite talk...
Exactly. Wouldn't like to bet the house on the winner of us vs Derry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Galway, Mayo, Rossies and probably Cork as well or any of those teams playing each other.
As you say Dublin and Kerry will beat any of them teams the majority of the time bar the odd ambush.
Quote from: Mario on January 12, 2024, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
All 4 would start the Armagh team. I accept that Armagh probably have more depth in their forward line though.
So you would add two Armagh players to Derry.
So would I.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 12, 2024, 11:42:21 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 09:35:11 AMDoes the £25 pass I bought for the mckenna cup series cover the semis and final?
Just the semis.
TG4 usually cover the final.
Thanks mate.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 12, 2024, 05:34:50 PMQuote from: Mario on January 12, 2024, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 11, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 05:06:58 PMQuote from: trailer on January 11, 2024, 04:51:22 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 11, 2024, 04:39:18 PMQuote from: illdecide on January 11, 2024, 12:01:02 PMNothing between the 2 teams last night, Tyrone kicked some bad wides and Armagh dropping one into the net last kick of the game. Decent game for Jan and McKenna cup, some good positives for both teams. Armagh need a strong year this year and it's getting that wee bit of luck at vital times in big games. Armagh, Derry, Monaghan, Tyrone and possibly Donegal are all evenly matched and can beat each other in any game. For me the thing that's missing for Armagh is the marquee forward that most of the top teams have, the real game changer who'll get you a score outta nothing. Oisin O'Neill back and Niall Grimley are big positives, the young lad from Portydown Conaty (prob spelt that wrong) with his pace could be an impact off the bench.
Armaghs strength is in their forward line and every other county in Ulster would love to have our set of forwards. I'd argue that our weakness is in defence and the problem began when we began to stifle our attacking style to play a rigid defensive running game in order to shore up the defence.
Here we go. Hold on lads... it's gonna be a long summer of Armagh for Sam.
It's a massive jump to go from the best set of forwards in Ulster to winning Sam. If you could combine the Derry side up as far as midfield with Armaghs forwards I think you would have a strong contender though.
You would Drop P Cassidy, C mcfaul, S Mcguigan, E Doherty?
For whom?
All 4 would start the Armagh team. I accept that Armagh probably have more depth in their forward line though.
So you would add two Armagh players to Derry.
So would I.
Could McFaul not play 6 for us? If yas send Glass and Chrissy McK down the road we'd gladly take them ;)
Armagh only named 22 for game v Derry and are also playing Mayo in a friendly
Wonder which game Geezer will attend
Quote from: naka on January 12, 2024, 10:49:06 PMArmagh only named 22 for game v Derry and are also playing Mayo in a friendly
Wonder which game Geezer will attend
I'd say all the subs will see gametime tomorrow and theres likely near enough lads to have close to 2 teams against Mayo. Probably wasn't the plan to be in the semi final of McKenna cup but there's a fairly strong team named there and good chance for some of the newer lads to test themselves against a Derry team thats obviously not full strength without the Glen lads but is fairly close to it.
That's a strong starting lineup from Derry with a few others integrating in.
Good to see lynch back.
Mickey Harte going all out to win his umpteenth McKenna Cup by the looks of it.
Derry by 12+. Derry going all out, whereas Armagh playing a B/C team.
After 25 minutes it was Derry with 10 of their team that played in the All Ireland semi last summer 0-4 2nd choice Armagh team 1-4. Unbelievable Jeff!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 13, 2024, 04:39:05 PMAfter 25 minutes it was Derry with 10 of their team that played in the All Ireland semi last summer 0-4 2nd choice Armagh team 1-4. Unbelievable Jeff!
It's January, calm down lol
Half time Derry 0-7 Armagh 1-4
Derry hitting far too many sides and Armagh with a lucky enough goal
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 13, 2024, 04:39:05 PMAfter 25 minutes it was Derry with 10 of their team that played in the All Ireland semi last summer 0-4 2nd choice Armagh team 1-4. Unbelievable Jeff!
Further proof that Sam is a shoe in for Our Ma this year
Would expect derry win this handy enough they are playing in second gear up to goal
Classic McGeeney team. Stupid fouls. Same sh1t since he took over.
Macho players who can't do the basics.
Must be frustrating for fans knowing 90% chance they'll give away a stupid free.
Enjoying the commentary
Ger is good as a lead, and is it casey (??) on Co-comms? He's very good too
Armagh 2-6 to 0-11 in front the latest.
Derry wide given as a point!
That's one of the worst umpire calls I've seen
Another umpire mare.
Another mcguigan dive.
Ref very whistle happy
Quote from: smort on January 13, 2024, 05:12:56 PMEnjoying the commentary
Ger is good as a lead, and is it casey (??) on Co-comms? He's very good too
Gerald is good? He hasn't a clue about Armagh said Niall Rowland was ballynacnab and has mixed up players continually. Shaun Casey very good knows his stuff.
Quote from: statto on January 13, 2024, 05:20:12 PMQuote from: smort on January 13, 2024, 05:12:56 PMEnjoying the commentary
Ger is good as a lead, and is it casey (??) on Co-comms? He's very good too
Gerald is good? He hasn't a clue about Armagh said Niall Rowland was ballynacnab and has mixed up players continually. Shaun Casey very good knows his stuff.
Quote from: 5times5times on January 13, 2024, 05:19:44 PMAnother umpire mare.
Another mcguigan dive.
Ref very whistle happy
The linesman would have a better view than us
Linesman was right in front of me and it was a definite wide from my angle. This ref would do your head in.
Ref is also so blind the the steps mcguigan steals.
Yet someone here was yapping about armagh doing it?
Ref v v v poor. Has his chance on tele and making his name. Let the game go ffs.
55 minutes played it was level 2-7 to 0-13 a surprise it took the final quarter for Derry to pull away but win it is and the defending champions into the McKenna cup final. Result Derry 0-17 Armagh 2-7.
Derry defence looked very rusty and not very fit. That game will help us and another game next week will be most welcome.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 13, 2024, 05:36:49 PM55 minutes played it was level 2-7 to 0-13 a surprise it took the final quarter for Derry to pull away but win it is and the defending champions into the McKenna cup final. Result Derry 0-17 Armagh 2-7.
17 scores to 9 doesn't look great
Let's hope Armagh A squad get a good result v Mayo tonight in Abbotstown.
Whoops. Did I say that out loud?
Quote from: 5times5times on January 13, 2024, 06:07:13 PMLet's hope Armagh A squad get a good result v Mayo tonight in Abbotstown.
Whoops. Did I say that out loud?
That challenge I heard was to be played this afternoon in Longford.
Another good competitive outing leading into the league.
McGeeney is definitely earning his coin in his 10th year doubling up on the games. Be better off building solid foundations and a system of play in a bid for promotion / shot at Ulster, will be very fragmented with this carry on...Now that's unbelievable Jeff
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2024, 06:25:16 PMAnother good competitive outing leading into the league.
McGeeney is definitely earning his coin in his 10th year doubling up on the games. Be better off building solid foundations and a system of play in a bid for promotion / shot at Ulster, will be very fragmented with this carry on...Now that's unbelievable Jeff
I would imagine he knew the u20s would come up short against Donegal and didn't anticipate qualifying as best runner up and that was why mayo game was organised. Good to be getting over 30 lads football a few weeks out from league.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 13, 2024, 06:24:13 PMQuote from: 5times5times on January 13, 2024, 06:07:13 PMLet's hope Armagh A squad get a good result v Mayo tonight in Abbotstown.
Whoops. Did I say that out loud?
That challenge I heard was to be played this afternoon in Longford.
I heard it was Longford as well.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 13, 2024, 04:50:14 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 13, 2024, 04:39:05 PMAfter 25 minutes it was Derry with 10 of their team that played in the All Ireland semi last summer 0-4 2nd choice Armagh team 1-4. Unbelievable Jeff!
Further proof that Sam is a shoe in for Our Ma this year
Not necessarily, but sure proof that Derry should not rate their chances too highly.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on January 13, 2024, 06:41:33 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on January 13, 2024, 06:24:13 PMQuote from: 5times5times on January 13, 2024, 06:07:13 PMLet's hope Armagh A squad get a good result v Mayo tonight in Abbotstown.
Whoops. Did I say that out loud?
That challenge I heard was to be played this afternoon in Longford.
I heard it was Longford as well.
I heard the Saudis are offering Armagh big money to host it.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2024, 06:55:02 PMQuote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 13, 2024, 04:50:14 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 13, 2024, 04:39:05 PMAfter 25 minutes it was Derry with 10 of their team that played in the All Ireland semi last summer 0-4 2nd choice Armagh team 1-4. Unbelievable Jeff!
Further proof that Sam is a shoe in for Our Ma this year
Not necessarily, but sure proof that Derry should not rate their chances too highly.
Not too many teams about will rate their chances once McGeeney merges the Armagh A, B and C teams... Scary prospect
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 13, 2024, 05:43:15 PMDerry defence looked very rusty and not very fit. That game will help us and another game next week will be most welcome.
I would agree with this in comparison to previous seasons where they were at championship pace from day 1. Maybe slightly diff approach this year
Bar the goals Derry were comfortable for most of that. Would we rather have had a weekends rest before Kerry? Hard to know maybe it is best to keep momentum up.
Cormac Murphy definitely looks like he could make a step up and possible Gilmore so it's been a good McKenna Cup in that regard.
Maybe the A team are the ones who know how to tackle although they haven't shown it this last 10 years!
Derry never really got out of 2nd gear, gave away sloppy goals but generally defended well against a 2nd string Armagh.
I thing Armagh are fitter than us ast this stage.
But 7 points over 80 odd minutes is a poor showing.
Derry were generally on top for the whole game and if not for the Armagh keeper playing a blinder, we'd have had about 3 goals too.
Good game for derry, plenty of silly mistakes but able to push on for a comfortable win in the end.
Of the new players, Higgins I thought was very good, Gilmore in spells but gave away possession too often, Murphy not bad either.
Good to get a game into Lynch.
Derry's half back line probably won it for us.
Shane mcguigan still in top form which is good too.
I'd say Armagh will probably be reasonably happy too. They'll have had a good look at younger lads.
Derry will be gearing up fitness for the 1st Rd Ulster championship.Quite of the pace at the minute, but no big deal.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 08:14:24 PMDerry will be gearing up fitness for the 1st Rd Ulster championship.Quite of the pace at the minute, but no big deal.
They'll want to hit the ground running as no bad teams in division 1. Definitely won't want to go straight down again after doing so well to get up. Although obviously relegation not the end of the world.
Thought Armagh did well for the side that was out.
Derry look a bit like Tyrone of old.
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:32:24 PMDerry look a bit like Tyrone of old.
Care to expand on that a bit?
Genuine question.
At this stage of his (and Horse's) management tenure, it's too early to see any major changes. Derry were already good defensively. But I thought there were subtle differences in how they defended as a unit, especially when Armagh reached a critical scoring zone. And when they did turn it over, the runners gave multiple options down either side.
Again, probably talking through my hole and Derry have been doing this for 48 months but it's the first time I've watched them as closely as this and if I squinted it was Meyler and Harte and Mattie Donnelly.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 13, 2024, 08:38:33 PMQuote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:32:24 PMDerry look a bit like Tyrone of old.
Care to expand on that a bit?
Genuine question.
Did a Derry man get his hair assaulted?
Derry are playing no different to how they played under Gallagher.Still like to see the ball been kicked more often and keep a man further up the field and not drop as deep when the other team is on the attack.
You like to see the 'other team' attack with 14 men and you defend with 11/12?
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:57:34 PMAt this stage of his (and Horse's) management tenure, it's too early to see any major changes. Derry were already good defensively. But I thought there were subtle differences in how they defended as a unit, especially when Armagh reached a critical scoring zone. And when they did turn it over, the runners gave multiple options down either side.
Again, probably talking through my hole and Derry have been doing this for 48 months but it's the first time I've watched them as closely as this and if I squinted it was Meyler and Harte and Mattie Donnelly.
Thanks for your answer.
I can see what you mean and i Agree.
It is small things, but small things can be the difference
Quote from: statto on January 13, 2024, 05:20:12 PMQuote from: smort on January 13, 2024, 05:12:56 PMEnjoying the commentary
Ger is good as a lead, and is it casey (??) on Co-comms? He's very good too
Gerald is good? He hasn't a clue about Armagh said Niall Rowland was ballynacnab and has mixed up players continually. Shaun Casey very good knows his stuff.
GAA commentators are always making mistakes. In the Ulster final Ger Canning said that Derry won the Ulster championship in 1995 and 1996. He also said that Niall Loughlin was 21 when he is 27/28. Also Ger made an error before the ball was even thrown in the Derry Kerry game. He said "this is their first meeting since 2015", then a few seconds later he said "5 years after meeting in the league here they are in the championship".
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:32:24 PMThought Armagh did well for the side that was out.
Derry look a bit like Tyrone of old.
It's that f**king stupid jersey.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 13, 2024, 11:03:10 PMQuote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:32:24 PMThought Armagh did well for the side that was out.
Derry look a bit like Tyrone of old.
It's that f**king stupid jersey.
Was told today that O'Neills wanted it that way last year and the CB said no, and apparently weren't consulted on this jersey.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2024, 11:05:24 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 13, 2024, 11:03:10 PMQuote from: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:32:24 PMThought Armagh did well for the side that was out.
Derry look a bit like Tyrone of old.
It's that f**king stupid jersey.
Was told today that O'Neills wanted it that way last year and the CB said no, and apparently weren't consulted on this jersey.
I thought that all the county boards would have to agree it first?
Will Derry ones bring out a song about Mickey if they reach the AI?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 08:14:24 PMDerry will be gearing up fitness for the 1st Rd Ulster championship.Quite of the pace at the minute, but no big deal.
As am Armagh man
Thought Derry 10 points the better team
Genuinely thought they closed the kickout in the second half so fair play
To win Sam though keeper was poor and will cost you
Hate to say it but chrissy is showing his age also and a better ref will see it
A fabulous side though
Keeper first game for a long time after long term Injury, didn't think we see him to April, he's very rusty but still does some stupid things.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 09:16:47 PMDerry are playing no different to how they played under Gallagher.Still like to see the ball been kicked more often and keep a man further up the field and not drop as deep when the other team is on the attack.
I still think Derry lack the scoring power at the top end of the pitch to win the ultimate prize. Mickey Harte was not the answer if you're looking to find something different. Similar to top level ageing players, every manager has a sell by date and they rarely evolve with the game.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 09:46:28 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 09:16:47 PMDerry are playing no different to how they played under Gallagher.Still like to see the ball been kicked more often and keep a man further up the field and not drop as deep when the other team is on the attack.
I still think Derry lack the scoring power at the top end of the pitch to win the ultimate prize. Mickey Harte was not the answer if you're looking to find something different. Similar to top level ageing players, every manager has a sell by date and they rarely evolve with the game.
Depending how Glen get on next week and Derry get on during the year O'Rourke could have that job this time next year. Reckon he would have more success than Harte will but who knows.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 14, 2024, 09:56:06 AMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 09:46:28 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 09:16:47 PMDerry are playing no different to how they played under Gallagher.Still like to see the ball been kicked more often and keep a man further up the field and not drop as deep when the other team is on the attack.
I still think Derry lack the scoring power at the top end of the pitch to win the ultimate prize. Mickey Harte was not the answer if you're looking to find something different. Similar to top level ageing players, every manager has a sell by date and they rarely evolve with the game.
Depending how Glen get on next week and Derry get on during the year O'Rourke could have that job this time next year. Reckon he would have more success than Harte will but who knows.
We should delete 2024 from the calendar
Quote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 09:46:28 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 09:16:47 PMDerry are playing no different to how they played under Gallagher.Still like to see the ball been kicked more often and keep a man further up the field and not drop as deep when the other team is on the attack.
I still think Derry lack the scoring power at the top end of the pitch to win the ultimate prize. Mickey Harte was not the answer if you're looking to find something different. Similar to top level ageing players, every manager has a sell by date and they rarely evolve with the game.
With Derrys style of play, all of the 15 need to be able to score. One marquee forward with everyone else capable of chipping in with 2-3 points a game whilst keeping the goals out should be enough I think.
The key is keeping the goals out.
We scored 17 points without the Glen players and mccloskey playing, whilst lynch and mckinless are just back from long term injuries.
Yes I'd like some of our forwards to score more, but it might not matter as much as the traditionalists think it does.
Every player on the field can kick a point.
Rogers lucky to get away with an elbow on Rowland early on?
This keeper for Monaghan should forget about going out the pitch. Beggan is going to be a huge loss of Monaghan.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 14, 2024, 11:16:12 AMQuote from: yellowcard on January 14, 2024, 09:46:28 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2024, 09:16:47 PMDerry are playing no different to how they played under Gallagher.Still like to see the ball been kicked more often and keep a man further up the field and not drop as deep when the other team is on the attack.
I still think Derry lack the scoring power at the top end of the pitch to win the ultimate prize. Mickey Harte was not the answer if you're looking to find something different. Similar to top level ageing players, every manager has a sell by date and they rarely evolve with the game.
With Derrys style of play, all of the 15 need to be able to score. One marquee forward with everyone else capable of chipping in with 2-3 points a game whilst keeping the goals out should be enough I think.
The key is keeping the goals out.
We scored 17 points without the Glen players and mccloskey playing, whilst lynch and mckinless are just back from long term injuries.
Yes I'd like some of our forwards to score more, but it might not matter as much as the traditionalists think it does.
Every player on the field can kick a point.
Yeah thats a massive plus for yourselves. If I go through our team in fairness most of ours are good for a score as well but just don't seem to show it in every game lol.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 14, 2024, 11:45:20 AMRogers lucky to get away with an elbow on Rowland early on?
Yeah he definitely was. Didn't get to see a replay of it.
Donegal looking worryingly good here. I knew they'd improve a lot under McGuinness as they have good players but don't think I was expecting this.
Quote from: Mario on January 14, 2024, 01:53:30 PMQuote from: square_ball on January 14, 2024, 01:20:08 PMThis keeper for Monaghan should forget about going out the pitch. Beggan is going to be a huge loss of Monaghan.
Yeah he definitely was. Didn't get to see a replay of it.
Donegal looking worryingly good here. I knew they'd improve a lot under McGuinness as they have good players but don't think I was expecting this.
See how they are in May
Donegal a big difference to last year. Monaghan are aiming for Round 7.
You don't become a bad team overnight. The wrong management team, opt outs and injuries affected Donegal greatly last year. They've lost Murphy but I'm pretty sure Gallen will be a capable replacement. They've Langan back as well. Donegal will be a serious outfit this year.
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 14, 2024, 03:03:08 PMYou don't become a bad team overnight. The wrong management team, opt outs and injuries affected Donegal greatly last year. They've lost Murphy but I'm pretty sure Gallen will be a capable replacement. They've Langan back as well. Donegal will be a serious outfit this year.
In 2022 they tanked us in Ulster then put Derry to the wire in the final. Wheels came off after that but Jimmy won't be long getting them back on track.
10 years this year since Donegal made an All-Ireland semi final - would be very impressive if McGuinness can end that drought in his first year
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 14, 2024, 03:32:54 PM10 years this year since Donegal made an All-Ireland semi final - would be very impressive if McGuinness can end that drought in his first year
It all depends of the draw. You meet Kerry or Dublin in a quarter and it's difficult. Meet any of the rest and you never know.
Derry will have to perform a lot better in the upcoming McKenna cup final than they did against a 2nd string Armagh if they are to topple Donegal.
Only concern I'd have if I was from Donegal is that they are going too good too soon. Yes the current form will bring league promotion but what will be left in the tank come June or July?
I tell ya, Sam's for the Hills
Quote from: OakLeaf on January 14, 2024, 03:03:08 PMYou don't become a bad team overnight. The wrong management team, opt outs and injuries affected Donegal greatly last year. They've lost Murphy but I'm pretty sure Gallen will be a capable replacement. They've Langan back as well. Donegal will be a serious outfit this year.
100% agree.
They'll be very well organised used, super fit and extremely focused.
If they keep injury free, they'll be very hard to beat.
I'm not sure how both teams will approach the final. Will they keep a few cards up their sleeves for the first round or will both want to go full tilt for the win and get the advantage for first round?
It has the potential of being a brilliant game at this time of year.
I would say that donegal look further along in their prep than us.
Losing the final will not really matter so long as its not a tanking, but I don't see either team dishing out a hammering.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 14, 2024, 07:00:16 PMDerry will have to perform a lot better in the upcoming McKenna cup final than they did against a 2nd string Armagh if they are to topple Donegal.
Only concern I'd have if I was from Donegal is that they are going too good too soon. Yes the current form will bring league promotion but what will be left in the tank come June or July?
Sky Sports live from Ulster....It's McKenna Cup / January.
This is the McKenna cup lads
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 15, 2024, 12:33:25 AMThis is the McKenna cup lads
Yeah but with Derry v Donegal in the first round of the ulster championship the mckenna final has a bit more context than just being the mckenna cup.
I think both teams will go out to win it with as strong a side as they can put out.
From a Derry POV, I'd like to see us protecting some of our more established players for the league ahead. Rest them for the final and play the fringe players instead. A great opportunity to assess them against tougher competition. I'd hate to get an injury to Rogers/Mcguigan/Mckinless etc in a Mckenna cup game that potentially rules them out of league and championship, especially as we already are likely to be without the Glen men for a while at least.
Like the man said , it's the McKenna cup, zero reference from 3/4 months time.
Final Live on TG4 YouTube at 5pm on Saturday
https://www.youtube.com/live/SM6BkyvIyzs?si=VNU6C5cdto_nTF7q
A good find from Off The Ball
https://x.com/eoinsheahan/status/1747987143668994497?s=46
A strong Derry team named. Good to see McCluskey back before the Kerry game
Reasonably strong Donegal team
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEOqvazWEAA9jbT?format=jpg&name=large)
I'm actually looking forward to this game. Two strong sides named for time of year.
Some interesting positional selections from Harte.
Is this game on tv anywhere?
Can't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Quote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 01:56:43 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
What about the wee daddies that want to watch the o'byrne cup?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 01:56:43 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
Tell him to go to YouTube.com, type in tg4 and click the big tg4 logo and away he goes. Easy.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 20, 2024, 02:49:13 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 01:56:43 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
Tell him to go to YouTube.com, type in tg4 and click the big tg4 logo and away he goes. Easy.
Yeah every 70+ year old has a computer....
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2024, 02:51:19 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 20, 2024, 02:49:13 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 01:56:43 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
Tell him to go to YouTube.com, type in tg4 and click the big tg4 logo and away he goes. Easy.
Yeah every 70+ year old has a computer....
Who needs a computer? YouTube is available on phone, tablet, TV, computer etc. Pretty sure you can get fridges with YouTube now.
At the end of the day tg4 can only show one game at a time. The natural step is to put the other one on a platform that can be reached by 99.9% of the audience.
Yeah agree that obviously they can only show one game at a time but the bulk of older people won't be able to use or mightnt own a tablet/smart tv or whatever.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 20, 2024, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2024, 02:51:19 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 20, 2024, 02:49:13 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 01:56:43 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
Tell him to go to YouTube.com, type in tg4 and click the big tg4 logo and away he goes. Easy.
Yeah every 70+ year old has a computer....
Who needs a computer? YouTube is available on phone, tablet, TV, computer etc. Pretty sure you can get fridges with YouTube now.
At the end of the day tg4 can only show one game at a time. The natural step is to put the other one on a platform that can be reached by 99.9% of the audience.
They are showing the ladies game instead, it's a pity! Not all older daddies are tech savvy... and most like to watch on tv screen ..
Assume only on tg4 YouTube sport and not streamed on Ulster GAA also?
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 04:57:46 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 04:54:02 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 01:56:43 PMQuote from: p3427977 on January 20, 2024, 01:05:55 PMQuote from: intheknowhow on January 20, 2024, 11:55:21 AMCan't believe it's not on Tg4.Strange to opt with O'Byrne cup
On TG4 YouTube though isn't it?
Try telling that my 70 year old father ...
What's his number?
You can explain how he can watch it on the tv
Yes
Hard to watch. What has jimmy learned and brought to the table from his pro soccer coaching career.. FA by the looks of it
Haven't seen as many Derry men at a game since Down beat them in 1994.
Mickey can perform miracles
McKinless dives are hilarious.. the fact he ref still falls for the odd one is amazing
Half time Derry 0-5 Donegal 0-3 low scoring contest to be expected between two well organised sides defensively.
Donegal has the strong wind advantage 2nd half.
Can you take a mark sliding on your knees?.Every decision the ref is making, Donegal players rush to query him,
Hard to see Derry winning this with a 2 point lead against that wind, unless they get a goal
Murphy has been dangerous for Derry when he's got the ball, big 2nd half needed with the wind against us.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 20, 2024, 05:42:38 PMCan you take a mark sliding on your knees?.Every decision the ref is making, Donegal players rush to query him,
I wonder where that comes from.
Bring a GAA fan has become the modern day equivalent of self-flagellation.
55 mins played both down to 14 men with straight reds and Derry leading 0-8 to 0-5
Derry must have 80% possession this half. Donegal just can't get on the ball.
Donegal poor. Jim has work to do
Brutal night for football. Defeat probably do Jimmy a favour to slow the hype train a wee bit.
Mickeys taught the diving tricks to the Derry wans I see!
Quote from: Onthe40 on January 20, 2024, 06:29:25 PMDonegal poor. Jim has work to do
Yep. Strong wind and rain at our back. Did we even have five shots in this second half. Derry look streets ahead, although we made it very easy for them. Haven't looked up for it at all.
Would paddy mcbreartys best days be behind him? Doesnt offer much of a threat these days
FT Derry 0-12 Donegal 0-6. Controlled and composed display from Derry yet another McKenna cup for Mickey Harte.
Donegal finished the game with 13 men. A simliar performance repeated in Div 2 won't beat the likes of Armagh, Kildare and Cork.
Quote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 05:43:09 PMHard to see Derry winning this with a 2 point lead against that wind, unless they get a goal
I was wrong.Great second half performance from Derry in those conditions. Controlled it very well and looked a level above Donegal.
Will Rogers be banned for league?
I'd expect a stronger team out for many of the league games. Not many of the newer or fringe players made much of a claim based on tonight, albeit in poor conditions against a higher, tougher standard than they're used to.
Quote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:39:43 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 05:43:09 PMHard to see Derry winning this with a 2 point lead against that wind, unless they get a goal
I was wrong.Great second half performance from Derry in those conditions. Controlled it very well and looked a level above Donegal.
Will Rogers be banned for league?
I'd assume both himself and McBrearty will miss a few games.
Quote from: J70 on January 20, 2024, 06:42:07 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:39:43 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 05:43:09 PMHard to see Derry winning this with a 2 point lead against that wind, unless they get a goal
I was wrong.Great second half performance from Derry in those conditions. Controlled it very well and looked a level above Donegal.
Will Rogers be banned for league?
I'd assume both himself and McBrearty will miss a few games.
Did they do much? Rogers definitely a huge miss for Derry especially with Glass likely gone for a couple of weeks.
From flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2024, 06:45:09 PMQuote from: J70 on January 20, 2024, 06:42:07 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:39:43 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 05:43:09 PMHard to see Derry winning this with a 2 point lead against that wind, unless they get a goal
I was wrong.Great second half performance from Derry in those conditions. Controlled it very well and looked a level above Donegal.
Will Rogers be banned for league?
I'd assume both himself and McBrearty will miss a few games.
Did they do much? Rogers definitely a huge miss for Derry especially with Glass likely gone for a couple of weeks.
McBrearty was in a scuffle with the Derry six. I'm assuming he must have hit him or something. Rogers looked like he stamped on the legs of a Donegal player on the ground. No idea if intentional - TG4 didn't show any replays for either incident.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
Quote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:50:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
Probably a bit of both. Proof will be in the pudding by April.
Quote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:50:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
McKenna cup in January isn't top level stuff. Donegal lads was struggling to run tonight. Cork match clearly more important and will be more difficult for Donegal to gain promotion if they lose that match.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 07:13:42 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:50:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
McKenna cup in January isn't top level stuff. Donegal lads was struggling to run tonight. Cork match clearly more important and will be more difficult for Donegal to gain promotion if they lose that match.
I'm not denying next week's league game is more important for both teams. I just don't think that is why Donegal lost.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 07:13:42 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:50:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
McKenna cup in January isn't top level stuff. Donegal lads was struggling to run tonight. Cork match clearly more important and will be more difficult for Donegal to gain promotion if they lose that match.
" struggling to run" really!
Surprised at Rogers there. Didn't think he would resort to that kind of thing.
likely they did a heavy running sessions during the week?
Bit daft if you ask me, I always found best way to get match fit was shock horror- playing matches.
Quote from: square_ball on January 20, 2024, 07:33:12 PMSurprised at Rogers there. Didn't think he would resort to that kind of thing.
Haven't seen it yet but I wouldn't have him down as the sort of lad to stamp on someone.
Quote from: Derryman forever on January 20, 2024, 07:19:21 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 07:13:42 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:50:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
McKenna cup in January isn't top level stuff. Donegal lads was struggling to run tonight. Cork match clearly more important and will be more difficult for Donegal to gain promotion if they lose that match.
" struggling to run" really!
Yes really. Clear heavy legs on display tonight.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2024, 07:35:41 PMQuote from: square_ball on January 20, 2024, 07:33:12 PMSurprised at Rogers there. Didn't think he would resort to that kind of thing.
Haven't seen it yet but I wouldn't have him down as the sort of lad to stamp on someone.
From what I recall from the real-time look, there were a bunch of players around as happens when someone wins a kick out, he'd just won a free, and he trampled on a Donegal player when trying to get out of the crowd. No idea if intentional as they didn't show a replay. The Derry 6 then trued to pull the injured Donegal player up off ground, which escalated things. Things then settled, then McBrearty did whatever he did to the number 6.
Quote from: J70 on January 20, 2024, 06:50:10 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2024, 06:45:09 PMQuote from: J70 on January 20, 2024, 06:42:07 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:39:43 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 05:43:09 PMHard to see Derry winning this with a 2 point lead against that wind, unless they get a goal
I was wrong.Great second half performance from Derry in those conditions. Controlled it very well and looked a level above Donegal.
Will Rogers be banned for league?
I'd assume both himself and McBrearty will miss a few games.
Did they do much? Rogers definitely a huge miss for Derry especially with Glass likely gone for a couple of weeks.
McBrearty was in a scuffle with the Derry six. I'm assuming he must have hit him or something. Rogers looked like he stamped on the legs of a Donegal player on the ground. No idea if intentional - TG4 didn't show any replays for either incident.
Sounds about right and I never even seen the game.
McBrearty in a scuffle with McKinless and he gets a red and McKinless gets no card - typical. McKinless is a devious man on a football pitch
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 07:37:18 PMQuote from: Derryman forever on January 20, 2024, 07:19:21 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 07:13:42 PMQuote from: Mario on January 20, 2024, 06:50:36 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Or they aren't quite at the top level yet
McKenna cup in January isn't top level stuff. Donegal lads was struggling to run tonight. Cork match clearly more important and will be more difficult for Donegal to gain promotion if they lose that match.
" struggling to run" really!
Yes really. Clear heavy legs on display tonight.
Yea sure
Only mid January and the cute hoorness has already started
Dirty enough stamp there by the Derry player
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeMa5j5m/
The tyronies in some form on here tonight, relax lads 8)
Quote from: seanyb on January 20, 2024, 08:24:47 PMThe tyronies in some form on here tonight, relax lads 8)
You wanna ignore the stamp then crack on.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 20, 2024, 08:32:05 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 20, 2024, 08:24:47 PMThe tyronies in some form on here tonight, relax lads 8)
You wanna ignore the stamp then crack on.
Probably coached by the assistant manager.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 20, 2024, 08:39:00 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 20, 2024, 08:32:05 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 20, 2024, 08:24:47 PMThe tyronies in some form on here tonight, relax lads 8)
You wanna ignore the stamp then crack on.
Probably coached by the assistant manager.
Good omen for Derry maybe. Come back from a suspension for stamping and win an All Ireland. Those Tyrone lads leaving no stone unturned to bring success to Derry.
I think Jimmy misses Rory Gallagher
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 20, 2024, 08:39:00 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 20, 2024, 08:32:05 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 20, 2024, 08:24:47 PMThe tyronies in some form on here tonight, relax lads 8)
You wanna ignore the stamp then crack on.
Probably coached by the assistant manager.
Have to be.
Derry were never like that before.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 20, 2024, 08:39:00 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on January 20, 2024, 08:32:05 PMQuote from: seanyb on January 20, 2024, 08:24:47 PMThe tyronies in some form on here tonight, relax lads 8)
You wanna ignore the stamp then crack on.
Probably coached by the assistant manager.
I found a good photo of Derry's assistant manager with Tohill.
http://inpho.ie/media/pyzb_-UIoN62riI6zuRfCw..a
He went to school in Magherafelt some may not know.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 20, 2024, 08:55:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
Mulreany was with Harps at the soccer for a season or two. Been mostly playing club football for St Nauls though. Late bloomer at this level.
Derry really looked like a division one team tonight. Very comfortable. I thought Donegal would edge it but they weren't in the same league as Derry tonight.
Can't see Derry being stopped by anyone this year. Throw in the Glen lads and they are on the cusp of a dynasty.
LOL stamp??
Soft as fcuk...
If Donegal had more focus in putting the ball over the bar than trying to rough things up it could well have been a different story. They pressed well on Derry in the first half and caused us problems. We put in a great shift in the second half to close it out.
Good to keep winning habit going. Baker and Gilmore have been good additions and game time will stand to the lads. Plenty for work for Mickey and Horse yet but we'll see what the next few weeks brings. Lord bless us but it's only January.
Am I the only one who thought the ref was totally inept?
He was completely erratic with his decisions for both sides, when he blew the whistle I'd no idea who he was going to award a free to.
I think he was largely to blame for the mini melee. If he took control of the game and cut out the off the ball stuff and pulled donegal on the obvious rough house tactics on mcguigan, Rogers and mckinless, that row never happens.
I wasn't close enough to see the incidents for the red cards but the first red everyone around me thought it was for donegal until we saw Rogers going off.
Not saying the reds were right or wrong as I couldn't see, but Rogers is not a dirty player so it's hard to imagine he deliberately stamped on someone.
Ref aside, Derry actually were by far the better side.
I was expecting more from donegal, even though they are not full strength.
The tactics for them seemed to be around stopping derry rather than playing their own game and it didn't work.
Lots of wides for both sides but conditions were awful so I wouldn't read much into that.
Donegal looked dangerous at times on the attack when they ran the ball but they didn't do it often enough to really trouble derry.
Derry were comfortable despite what the scoreboard said.
Murphy looks a class act.
Gilmore improved since the Armagh game and it was good to get game time into the legs of McCloskey, but he was rusty.
I think the panel is definitely 3 to 4 players stronger than last year with Baker, Higgins, gilmore and murphy standing out.
Mckenna cup has been great prep for the league for both sides.
I'd imagine donegal will improve for the championship, but if they realistically want promotion, they'll need to improve a lot and quickly.
As a neutral- stamp doesn't look great on Rogers- definitely stands on him and doesn't break stride- you stand on someone by mistake you at least turn round to look and hold your hands up and say it was accidental.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 20, 2024, 08:55:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
You'll have to ask McGuinness that. He had a big smiley head on him at the full time whistle. Armagh's 2nd string gave a better account of themselves against Derry last week
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 20, 2024, 06:30:09 PMBrutal night for football. Defeat probably do Jimmy a favour to slow the hype train a wee bit.
Mickeys taught the diving tricks to the Derry wans I see!
You must never have seen McKinless or McGuigan play before this year
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 09:30:56 AMQuote from: JoG2 on January 20, 2024, 08:55:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
You'll have to ask McGuinness that. He had a big smiley head on him at the full time whistle. Armagh's 2nd string gave a better account of themselves against Derry last week
I don't have to ask McGuinness anything, just use some common sense. Think about it, and you don't have to be a sport scientist (which McGuinness will be using) to know that you don't load up and then put the players straight into a game against the likes of Derry a week out from the league.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 09:30:56 AMQuote from: JoG2 on January 20, 2024, 08:55:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
You'll have to ask McGuinness that. He had a big smiley head on him at the full time whistle. Armagh's 2nd string gave a better account of themselves against Derry last week
Its just an indication of where Donegal are at. A lot of people had suddenly elevated them to the best team in Ulster based on no good reason other than the fact that Jimmy would automatically get them back winning matches. If he had a big smiley face as you suggest, it certainly wasn't because he was happy getting beat.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2024, 12:30:59 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 09:30:56 AMQuote from: JoG2 on January 20, 2024, 08:55:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
You'll have to ask McGuinness that. He had a big smiley head on him at the full time whistle. Armagh's 2nd string gave a better account of themselves against Derry last week
Its just an indication of where Donegal are at. A lot of people had suddenly elevated them to the best team in Ulster based on no good reason other than the fact that Jimmy would automatically get them back winning matches. If he had a big smiley face as you suggest, it certainly wasn't because he was happy getting beat.
They'll be in the mix. They've a huer of a draw to get to an Ulster final but my money would be on the winner of Donegal/Derry to be in the final.
Pleased with that performance last night. As has been said I didn't think Rogers stamped on the Donegal lad at the time because it's not the type of thing he'd usually do but the footage is clear he did it and it was really stupid. Especially when we were in total control of the game!
Was worried he would be suspended for next week so thankfully that isn't the case as Kerry will be a big ask even with him. Murphy and Baker are huge finds for us and I think we might get 1 or 2 extra Glen lads in that weren't there last year so we have definitely improved.
Really looking forward to next week now after a strong pre season. Also looking forward to sampling some Tralee stout!!!!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 12:38:53 PMQuote from: yellowcard on January 21, 2024, 12:30:59 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 21, 2024, 09:30:56 AMQuote from: JoG2 on January 20, 2024, 08:55:52 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on January 20, 2024, 06:48:09 PMFrom flying coming into the final the Donegal players tonight looked like they were carrying a sack of stones on their backs. Looks like McGuinness focus was fully on the Cork game next week.
Emmm....then why not start a 2nd string if that's the case and not risk injury to key players before the league starts? Donegal Laid their stall out early and were well up for the game, alot of pushing and dragging off the ball, late hits, they wanted to win. Botton line is they're just not at the same level as Derry atm, which is completely understandable. They'll be in a much better place come championship.
Donegal's new keeper is some find, cool, composed and has a serious kick. Patton has his work cut out for him.
Decent enough game in poor conditions, will stand to both teams.
You'll have to ask McGuinness that. He had a big smiley head on him at the full time whistle. Armagh's 2nd string gave a better account of themselves against Derry last week
Its just an indication of where Donegal are at. A lot of people had suddenly elevated them to the best team in Ulster based on no good reason other than the fact that Jimmy would automatically get them back winning matches. If he had a big smiley face as you suggest, it certainly wasn't because he was happy getting beat.
They'll be in the mix. They've a huer of a draw to get to an Ulster final but my money would be on the winner of Donegal/Derry to be in the final.
I'd probably agree with that. That match will be Donegals All Ireland final while Derry are at a stage now where they need to target the AI series and the Ulster championship is merely a staging post along the way.
Are Armagh playing a risky game giving their main players zero minutes in McKenna cup?
Forker / Murnin / Grugan / O'Neill / Turbitt / McCabe / McCambridge etc?
Quote from: 5times5times on January 21, 2024, 01:24:12 PMAre Armagh playing a risky game giving their main players zero minutes in McKenna cup?
Forker / Murnin / Grugan / O'Neill / Turbitt / McCabe / McCambridge etc?
They'll have got plenty gametime in other challenge matches. Maybe a case of not wanting to show a full hand against Ulster teams I'm not sure to be honest. I'm sure we'll see a strong team in the league and hopefully one or 2 young lads.
Not at all, it's a longer season game wise now if you going to at least the quarters.I actually thought Derry should played 2/3 more panel players through the McKenna cup. I see E Bradley and E Mulholland probably starting this year along with the 3 Glen starters already.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2024, 01:58:05 PMNot at all, it's a longer season game wise now if you going to at least the quarters.I actually thought Derry should played 2/3 more panel players through the McKenna cup. I see E Bradley and E Mulholland probably starting this year along with the 3 Glen starters already.
I can't see either starting, maybe Bradley but could see him being used as an impact sub again. Who would Mulholland start ahead of?
Wasn't a stamp imo. Trod on his leg, yes, but not a stamp.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2024, 08:08:28 PMWasn't a stamp imo. Trod on his leg, yes, but not a stamp.
Same thing tbh.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2024, 08:22:08 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 08:12:58 PMQuote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 21, 2024, 08:08:28 PMWasn't a stamp imo. Trod on his leg, yes, but not a stamp.
Same thing tbh.
It's not though.
Still a dirty act and not really much point defending it. I'm saying that as a total neutral and someone who really admires Rogers as a footballer.
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 21, 2024, 12:43:06 AMAm I the only one who thought the ref was totally inept?
He was completely erratic with his decisions for both sides, when he blew the whistle I'd no idea who he was going to award a free to.
I think he was largely to blame for the mini melee. If he took control of the game and cut out the off the ball stuff and pulled donegal on the obvious rough house tactics on mcguigan, Rogers and mckinless, that row never happens.
I wasn't close enough to see the incidents for the red cards but the first red everyone around me thought it was for donegal until we saw Rogers going off.
Not saying the reds were right or wrong as I couldn't see, but Rogers is not a dirty player so it's hard to imagine he deliberately stamped on someone.
Ref aside, Derry actually were by far the better side.
I was expecting more from donegal, even though they are not full strength.
The tactics for them seemed to be around stopping derry rather than playing their own game and it didn't work.
Lots of wides for both sides but conditions were awful so I wouldn't read much into that.
Donegal looked dangerous at times on the attack when they ran the ball but they didn't do it often enough to really trouble derry.
Derry were comfortable despite what the scoreboard said.
Murphy looks a class act.
Gilmore improved since the Armagh game and it was good to get game time into the legs of McCloskey, but he was rusty.
I think the panel is definitely 3 to 4 players stronger than last year with Baker, Higgins, gilmore and murphy standing out.
Mckenna cup has been great prep for the league for both sides.
I'd imagine donegal will improve for the championship, but if they realistically want promotion, they'll need to improve a lot and quickly.
Agree 100% on the referee. Woeful performance.
No control on the proceedings at all. Both teams asking what decisions are for all game - totally out of his depth
Quote from: Mikhailov on January 21, 2024, 08:52:27 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on January 21, 2024, 12:43:06 AMAm I the only one who thought the ref was totally inept?
He was completely erratic with his decisions for both sides, when he blew the whistle I'd no idea who he was going to award a free to.
I think he was largely to blame for the mini melee. If he took control of the game and cut out the off the ball stuff and pulled donegal on the obvious rough house tactics on mcguigan, Rogers and mckinless, that row never happens.
I wasn't close enough to see the incidents for the red cards but the first red everyone around me thought it was for donegal until we saw Rogers going off.
Not saying the reds were right or wrong as I couldn't see, but Rogers is not a dirty player so it's hard to imagine he deliberately stamped on someone.
Ref aside, Derry actually were by far the better side.
I was expecting more from donegal, even though they are not full strength.
The tactics for them seemed to be around stopping derry rather than playing their own game and it didn't work.
Lots of wides for both sides but conditions were awful so I wouldn't read much into that.
Donegal looked dangerous at times on the attack when they ran the ball but they didn't do it often enough to really trouble derry.
Derry were comfortable despite what the scoreboard said.
Murphy looks a class act.
Gilmore improved since the Armagh game and it was good to get game time into the legs of McCloskey, but he was rusty.
I think the panel is definitely 3 to 4 players stronger than last year with Baker, Higgins, gilmore and murphy standing out.
Mckenna cup has been great prep for the league for both sides.
I'd imagine donegal will improve for the championship, but if they realistically want promotion, they'll need to improve a lot and quickly.
Agree 100% on the referee. Woeful performance.
No control on the proceedings at all. Both teams asking what decisions are for all game - totally out of his depth
And 3.....2.....1...... here comes our resident referee to defend the indefensible...
If only they'd ask a few GAA boarders to Ref those games...
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2024, 10:03:44 AMIf only they'd ask a few GAA boarders to Ref those games...
I'd pay to watch that!