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Title: Joe Brolly
Post by: randomtask on July 31, 2011, 05:28:31 PM
Looking forward to hearing Joe's prognosis of the Mayo/Cork game, should be great craic on the sunday game tonight if him and Tony are in the panel  :D :D 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2011, 05:31:40 PM
Looking forward to hearing Joe's prognosis of the Mayo/Cork game, should be great craic on the sunday game tonight if him and Tony are in the panel  :D :D

That's if he shows his face.

All he could talk about earlier was the Cork Kerry Semi Final as if today's game was a formality for Cork.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bcarrier on July 31, 2011, 05:37:46 PM
Cork peaked two years ago but always had a touch of the flat track bully.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on July 31, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
Brolly isn't on tonight.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2011, 07:01:48 PM
Great craic this afternoon!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2011, 07:27:03 PM
Great craic this afternoon!

"Sure there's nothing else to do in Kerry"

"James McCartan almost pulled off the biggest con since the Eiffel Tower was sold to a developer from Navan"

God knows how many people insulted in 2 lines

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ross matt on July 31, 2011, 07:27:37 PM
Jeering Joe and Preening Pateen have nothing to be smug about tonight. Both of them wrote of Mayo and Connacht football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rossfan on July 31, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
He has bad eyesight too the prat.
In "Irish" Mail on Sunday he says he couldnt make out the the last part of the  message towed by a plane over Croker yeaterday.
It read " Roscommon Hospital 24/7 A & E"
So if he can't see much how can we expect him to get anything right ? ;D
I never listen to those gobsh1tes any more either before ,half time of after a game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Radda bout yeee on July 31, 2011, 10:05:59 PM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2011, 11:34:22 PM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!


Have to say I never heard Joe giving Tyrone stick over the past few years. He has always praised them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Offalylad on July 31, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!
Brolly worships Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on July 31, 2011, 11:43:34 PM
Sure the Mammy's from Tyrone!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on August 01, 2011, 12:08:49 AM
Brolly's given Tyrone a lot of guff over the years, albeit not so much in recent years, when they started to become more successful.

But like said above, never once thought of switching him and Pat off, the banter's great.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bloodybreakball on August 01, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
lads, excuse my incompetence but could any of youse throw up brollys DM column from yest. I missed it and wouldnt mind a read at it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 07, 2011, 11:19:30 AM
Getting very smug these days. Getting to the point of just belittling other pundits with the "I'm more intelligent than you" kind of voice.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orangemac on August 07, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Not sure what he has to be smug about. Has been completely wrong with his last 2 predictions - yesterday and Cork v Mayo.

How did he call Kildare/Donegal game?

A lot of people myself included thought Kerry would beat Cork, Brolly just publicised it in a more ignorant way.

Brolly is what Dunphy is to soccer and Eoghan Harris is to politics, a lot of pontificating but not much calling it right.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on August 07, 2011, 11:59:59 AM
Not sure what he has to be smug about. Has been completely wrong with his last 2 predictions - yesterday and Cork v Mayo.

How did he call Kildare/Donegal game?

A lot of people myself included thought Kerry would beat Cork, Brolly just publicised it in a more ignorant way.

Brolly is what Dunphy is to soccer and Eoghan Harris is to politics, a lot of pontificating but not much calling it right.

I'd say there weren't too many people who predicted that Mayo would beat Cork and there would have been a lot of people who would have thought Tyrone would beat Dublin.
Regardless of what you think of Brolly, he's not usually too far off the mark.
Brolly is intelligent and can put his point across....those less intelligent people who find it difficult to explain themselves might see that as pontificating, but the fact remains he is intelligent, knows his football and isn't scared to say what he thinks and he can usually give an explanation of why he has certain opinions - which most of the pundits cant do. Give me that any day over the likes of Kevin McStay who never has anything of interest to say, just repeats the same things already said by others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on August 07, 2011, 12:00:22 PM
It’s easy to be hard on the pundits. None of us is equipped to predict the future. But it’s when they indulge in lazy analysis by elevating one or two incidents to the status of a trend that you get annoyed with them.

I had the chance last night to listen to both the RTÉ and BBC panels expound on Bernard Brogan. For me, there’s nothing to talk about. Brogan is a top player who has all the skills and can produce the unexpected, deliver under pressure and get match-winning scores. He was last year and he still is. He’s missed a few chances this year and taken a few wrong options. Who hasn’t? Because he's player of the year they got noticed as they wouldn't have before.

However, RTE’s panel have come to a unanimous conclusion that his game is in crisis and not only that, but they’ve agreed that they know the reason. Apparently he’s taking too much upon himself and doesn’t lay off the ball and bring others into play.

On the other hand, Martin McHugh volunteered that Brogan has improved his game this year. The secret? He’s learned not to go for everything himself but lay off the ball and bring others into play!

One of them must be wrong, at least. To me both are wrong and neither conclusion is valid, based on the evidence of a few games so far this year. In fact the question is not valid. In fact, there’s not even a question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 12:08:26 PM
Hardy, Pat Spillane actually said last night that Bernard Brogan doesn't work hard enough for an inside forward!
It's like he thinks to himself, "What's the most catastrophically inaccurate statement I can come out with this week?"
Brogan runs his legs to stumps in every game.
There is no analysis on RTE, only opinions and those opinions are rarely based on anything so boring as facts or statistics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Denn Forever on August 07, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Was Bernard not Alan footballer of the year?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on August 07, 2011, 12:19:32 PM
Was Bernard not Alan footballer of the year?

Apologies - finger trouble - fixed it above. It was, of course, Bernard they were talking about.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 07, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
The problem with Irish pundits is that they are all ex players from a different generation - they are mouth pieces and entertainers - NOT ANALYISTS! Have you ever heard any of them tell you about how a teams tactics (apart from the obvious) or game plans or insights into patterns of play? No. They are too busy trying to get one up on the man beside them. They are there because Irish people want this type of analysis, they want to be entertained, they want a good slagging match and a bit of banter. We can slag them off but its what the masses want.
(For me Peter Canavan is the exception to the rule here - in fact TV3s coverage is much more professional when compared to RTE)

Compare RTE to Ozzy rules analysis where you have journalists and managers analysing games. It is excellent, insightful, thought provoking. Brolly, Spillane & Co. might as well be at the bar in Killinascully with the oul shite the come out with.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
I would disagree to a certain extent as pretty much every media outlet other than RTE actually has proper analysts.
Newstalk, TV3 and the BBC all use people that understand the modern game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sans pessimism on August 07, 2011, 05:21:48 PM
Jinxy,are you saying Liam Hayes is a 'proper' analyst??Jeez
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on August 07, 2011, 05:40:59 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.

Cant agree. Some of the stuff he has said about Jack O Connor has been outrageous in my view. Hayes was a very unsuccessful inter county manager. He needs to remember that sometime.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.

Very much in the minority there Dinny I'd say, I think himself and Brady are terrible.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ross matt on August 07, 2011, 09:11:10 PM
I might be in the minority but I actually like Liam Hayes, he speaks with an honesty and interesting insight into the team psyche, he has played and managed at inter-county and has been a leading sports journalist. His analysis can be a bit off the wall but his discussions with David Brady are entertaining, he has no agenda.

Jaysus Dinny!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
Better qualify this, I think their analysis is awful but when they are co-commenting on games on Newstalk I think they can be insightful and their discussions are actually entertaining but I think that is driven my Newstalk and in particular AZ's buddy Ger Gilroy who is the Newstalk sports editor. And I'll reiterate I admire Liam Hayes's honesty, I always get the impression that say unlike Joe Brolly he'd tell you exactly what he thought of you to your face and expect the same honesty back.

Not everyone's cup of team but I'm probably easily entertained, I'm from Kildare for god sake.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on August 07, 2011, 09:59:03 PM
AZ's buddy? He's dead to me I told you.

As for Hayes, I find him mildly entertaining sometimes, but it's not accurate to say he has no agenda in my mind. He obviously has a long standing emnity for Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 07, 2011, 10:23:44 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on August 07, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Dinny, the man is full of shite!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mayo4Sam on August 07, 2011, 10:38:48 PM
Can't stand Hayes, biggest media w**ker going IMHO.

Never thought I'd say it but Brady is very entertaining, bit rough round the edges but gives a good players view.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:29:34 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 07, 2011, 11:37:17 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

 ???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 07, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

 ???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.

Ah cmon now jinxy, it doesn't work that way and you know it. We are the gold standard.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 07, 2011, 11:49:45 PM

 ???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?

Best comeback I've heard in a while

*poking myself in the eye for complimenting a meathie*
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on August 08, 2011, 12:49:49 AM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

 ???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.

I hate these things, but  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Post of the Summer.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on August 08, 2011, 02:25:19 AM
to be fair pat and joe (mostly pat) have give my county alot of stick in the past but never ever would i turn them off = they're great craic!!!!


Have to say I never heard Joe giving Tyrone stick over the past few years. He has always praised them.
There's a good reason for that! It goes all the way back to 2003.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 08, 2011, 03:40:26 AM
I reckon your living in Munster too long AZ.

Kerry folk are very precious towards Hayes and I think they often miss his point. He like many people has no time for the Kerry eulogising that exists in RTE and in the print media. He seems to genuinely believe that the current Kerry team and players aren't a great team in comparison to the great teams of the past. Now I do stand corrected on the Kerry front as he does harp on it about it a bit but in a world where we live in the instant he does have a point (he probably could express it a wee bit better) and I'd say the herald are putting the final touches to an 18 page supplement on Dublin's own version of the holy trinity.

Imagine the hyperbole around a Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland, the great recession derby.


The thing about that assessment, and about Hayes in general, is that there was as much myth and hype surrounding the team he played on. Maybe you dont remember the late 80's and '90s but I do and the whole Meath v Dublin-centric media coverage and eulogizing was as bad (or good..whatever way you want to look at it) as Kerry v Dublin.

Hayes clearly does not like Kerry. Given he is a media man himself and is one of the worst proponents of "say anything to sell papers"  then getting worked up about the "eulogizing" of Kerry in the media does not ring tue. Also, it cant be explained by any grudge during his playing days given there was no real rivalry during his career except for the '86 semi final ...but therein lies the crux of the issue I feel. The defining image of that game is the  "keystone cops" way the Meath players ran into each other when Ger power scored. This image does not fit nicely with the subsequent view of that Meath team. Combine that with the accusation that (whisper it)  Meath won their AI when Kerry were out of the picture and you might go some way toward explaining why he seems to bristle at the mere mention of Kerry.

 ???
How many all irelands did Kerry win while Meath were out of the picture?
We would have made bits of you in '97 if it wasn't for Martin Lynch getting half our team suspended for the Leinster final and fckin Elvis Presley rising from the dead to score 2 goals for Offaly.

You wouldn't have got near Kerry, Mayo would have made shite of ye in the semi.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 08, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
Mayo wouldn't make shite of shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on August 17, 2011, 10:18:55 AM
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on August 17, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c

Eh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25tWoQng6I&feature=related
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 17, 2011, 11:17:55 AM
Mayo wouldn't make shite of shite.

Bet you a fiver we would
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clarshack on August 17, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
to be fair to Joe - he still knows where the goals are....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZ79CFbx4c

Eh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25tWoQng6I&feature=related

he scored the goal just after missing the pen.
he bagged another good goal as well after that 1st goal, so i guess he was just sharpening up! :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on August 22, 2011, 11:27:06 AM
Kerry lead by two at half time. Joe announces:

"Kerry are playing the game on Mayo's terms....James Horan will be delighted."

 :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 22, 2011, 11:31:01 AM
Did brolly make a reference to brady yeseterday lads????
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Club Rossa on August 22, 2011, 11:57:44 AM
Can't remember what point Spillane was making at the time but Joe told him he was beginning to sound like David Brady.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on August 22, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
I can't stand Spillane and I regard him and Tony Davis as the worst analysts by far. I don't mind Joe as I think he is comfortable in front of the cameras and makes some decent points. However, himself and Spillane are at opposite ends of a nonsensical spectrum, for Pat long kick passing will beat all and for Joe defensive systems are king, neither of course is true. But the two lads analysis is entirely coloured by these views, so much so that you could have cardboard cut outs of the two of them in the studio and just play a recording of their views from any previous game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on August 22, 2011, 02:02:32 PM
Lads we shouldn't get too wound up about the two boys trading verbals.....TSG is using the Giles Dunphy template to generate a bit of "controversy"....to generate a bit of crack....although Pat does look as if he would give Brolly a slap sometimes....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on August 22, 2011, 07:24:47 PM
Lads we shouldn't get too wound up about the two boys trading verbals.....TSG is using the Giles Dunphy template to generate a bit of "controversy"....to generate a bit of crack....although Pat does look as if he would give Brolly a slap sometimes....

I think the agro between them is genuine. Brolly doesnt like mouth pieces like Spillane so disagrees for the sake of it, which winds Pat up no end. Yesterday Spillane was 1st to comment at half time and came out with his usual shite. Brolly was next and started by saying "I coulnt disagree more with Pats analysis of the game".. and then proceeded to basically agree with Spillane. He wants to disagree more than he does disagree.
Brolly is articulate but a limited reader of a game. O'Rourke is boring and Spillane is just an utter bollox.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 22, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
Brolly is articulate but a limited reader of a game.

That is a great summation of him! Davis comes across as a blithering idiot sometimes but Brolly just tries to belittle him and McStay with his "I'm more intelligent than you" demeanour.

I don't mind Brolly to be honest but I do think in some regards he is limited like is said here and he needs to respect other people's opinions a bit better. At the end of the day that's all they are - opinions. They're no wiser than any of the rest of us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on August 23, 2011, 08:35:44 AM
I think the tension between the two arises from the Kerry defeats to Tyrone to be honest (which Pat has never gotten over). Joe takes great delight in these as they are the only thing to have really rattled Kerry, and Pat, to their core. Pat constantly uses the phrase 'nordern defence' to label modern defensive tactics. This is just plain bullshit but it is a terrific insight into his thinking. Everything you need to know about Pat can be found underneath the phrases 'puke football' and 'nodern defence'. He also hates the fact that Kerry immediately copied the tactic.

On the other hand, I have sympathy for his thinking. The man loves football played the way it should be. He just confuses himself and it comes out all annoyed when he sees his beautiful game being destroyed, 'or in his minds eye' being destroyed. He forgets most games in the 80's etc were horseshit with skills nowhere near the level they are now. Brolly sees and senses the frustration Pat has with this, knows it's entirely illogical and just thrives on winding him up. Joe is a legal mind so works entirely on logic. He knows Pat's commentary has little to do with logic so this winds him up naturally about Pat. On a good day he finds it funny but on a bad day he takes him to task. The great thing is when you cross a logical person with an illogical person they will never ever agree. That's the crux of the 'chemistry'.

Pat will use any series of bad play or a poor shot to highlight where it has all gone wrong. This has now caught on with other pundits where the whole focus is on 'how good the game is'. Even a minor game between Tipp and Roscommon got slated for no good reason. If you watch it back you'll see some fantastic score taking and examples of skillful play under pressure. Yet the consensus reached was that it was poor. Nonsense, but highlights how warped these men's view has become.

O'Rourke has given up with the pair of them. He briefly challenged Pat's assertion that 'da way to beat de blanket defence is to kek da ball long' with 'how can you do that if you look up and all you see are 6 extra defenders in the full back line'. Pat rambled back at him with some meaningless guff and Colm looked like he wanted to just go home. Now he just sits there thinking of the money.

Brolly is the greatest revisionist thinker of his time, excellent and articulate at explaining why a game panned out the way it did (after the event). He pronounces so confidently what will happen before a game, and when the total opposite happens, he again pronounces so confidently that you think that's what he said in the first place. The odd time he gets it right and pronounces even more confidently so you begin to think he has never been wrong. Sky+ is a great leveller.

It's getting a little tired to be honest as the record hasn't changed since 2003.

ps Davis is an absolute idiot from head to toe in that arena. He's a good genuine gael though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whiskeysteve on August 23, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
Excellent summation Sheamy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on August 23, 2011, 09:03:50 AM
He prounces so confidently what will happen before a game, and when the total opposite happens, he again prounces so confidently that you think that's what he said in the first place.

 :D

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orangemac on September 04, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
Joe's verdict on Donegal (article also in Gaelic Life) this week. Get the impression Joe isn't crazy about Donegals style of play :D

Brolly’s Bites - What’s the point, Jim?

Jerome Quinn did a very enjoyable video piece before the Ulster final called “Derry is buzzing” from Shamrock Park in Ballinderry (see it on youtube).


Conleith Gilligan, Big Enda and Kevin McGuckin were down at the park helping out with the club’s summer camp and the atmosphere was one of fun and excitement. The children were asked to predict the scores. “1-19 to 1-18” said one. Adam Gilligan, heir to the Gilligan fortune, predicted that Derry would win by 3-11 to 2-9 and “my daddy will score the Derry goals.” His daddy is one of the most skilled footballers the county ever produced. When Ballinderry won the All-Ireland club title in 2002, Conleith claimed the ‘Man of the Match’ award in five out of their six post-Derry championship games, controlling games with his pinpoint passing and clever movement.

So, in mid July in Clones, he brought all his reservoir of talent and experience onto the pitch; a lifetime of loving and learning the game. What a colossal waste of time that all turned out to be. All those early mornings on the Shamrocks pitch, kicking ball for the sheer pleasure of it. All those Saturday afternoons when he headed off with a bag of balls over his shoulder to perfect his technique with both feet, him and Big Enda putting on a private show, kicking sideline after sideline until it was dark, revelling in it. Pathetic!

Derry and Armagh had lit up the championship in the semi-final, an exhilarating game where players expressed themselves to the full. Eoin Bradley’s audacious skills brought gasps of admiration. Jamie Clarke terrified the Derry support every time the ball came near. Three brilliant goals! We came away with a spring in our step. How Pathetic! How absolutely pathetic!

Come the Ulster final, it became clear that what Derry men have been engaged in all these years is not football at all, but some childish fantasy. In Clones, Adam’s daddy never got a kick, because Donegal men played ring-a-ring-a-rosy around him for the entire game. This is lots of fun. The formula is this: Get all your players to stay inside their own half, save for Colm McFadden. Then surround the inside forwards. At halftime, you can stop doing it for ten minutes. When the whistle for the second half goes, resume the position until the final whistle goes. Then Rory will say “we make no apologies for this” and express surprise that people hate it. “I am amazed at the reaction” he said after last Sunday in Croke Park. “We are not in the business of entertainment.” You don’t say Rory..

In that Clones final, Enda Muldoon looked awful. No Derry forward scored. Very few even managed to get a shot off. To tell you the truth, I can remember very little about the game, other than the Ring-a-ring-a-rosy. Oh, and Donegal got a penalty which Michael Murphy crashed home. That aside, the mind draws a blank.

Their destruction of their games prior to the Dublin match was not just as depressing as last Sunday because up until then, no one had played them at their own game. The other opposition (save for Kildare who only got partially sucked in) fell into the trap of throwing their defenders forward in a desperate attempt to get a score. This allowed Donegal to selectively counter-attack into the space left behind, while still keeping their defence in position. The plan is simple and effective. Blot out all space inside their own half. Create a turnover as the opposition defenders come forward, then go for the jugular. Murphy, or Lacey or Kavanagh come through the middle, then lay the ball off for the striker. Tyrone played into their hands by coming forward from the back in droves. Their high-wire act was eventually exposed, two turnovers leading to the two killer goals. 2-6 is more than enough to do the job.

There are three ways to deal with Donegal’s death-grip. One is to put your head in your hands and weep. The second is reserved for the Kerrys of this world and by that I mean Kerry. The third is to do precisely the same to them. Keep your defenders in position. Use the spare men to surround Colm McFadden (above), then Michael Murphy in the unlikely event that he is allowed to go into the forwards (on Sunday, he was finally sent up on the 64th minute).

Until Jim and Rory came along, I had naively assumed Michael was a forward. There he was all those years, wasting his time learning the skills. Turns out, all he has to do to win an Ulster championship is play ring-a-ring-a-rosy along his half-back line and kick the odd free or penalty. Dublin did the only thing that can be done. Do to them what they do to you, make it a horrible stalemate, then hope to scramble the late free or penalty that will win the game.

When other teams gradually realise that Dublin’s approach is the only viable way to deal with Donegal’s strategy, there is only one future. Forwards, even great ones like Bernard Brogan and Michael Murphy become irrelevant. Their role will be to try to get their hands to the ball and hope to win a free as the swarm of defenders reaches in. The goalie will be an expert long range free-taker, since all the fouling is done outside the scoring zone. The best scoring forwards will in future be picked in the half back line. Midfielders as we know it will become redundant. Jack O’Shea and his ilk will be relics of a romantic past. Instead, we will have ruck rovers like they have in Aussie rules, workaholics who roam up and down the field.

The point that has been missed in all the furore caused since Sunday is that there are two mutually exclusive positions. The first is Donegal’s self-interest. They are perfectly entitled to play whatever game they wish to. Incredibly, they are Ulster champions and had Colm McFadden bagged the goal he ought to have, they would be getting ready for an All-Ireland final.

The second however, is the wider interests of the game and the people who love it. On this front, we, the people, are perfectly entitled to say that what Donegal do is fundamentally damaging to Gaelic football. Jim asked afterwards what was “the point in going out in a blaze of glory”, something Donegal conspicuously did not do last Sunday. Instead, they went out in a shameful and forgettable way, iced by the disgraceful play-acting of Martin Boyle. No one will remember it. No one would want to remember it.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lenny on September 04, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
Joe's verdict on Donegal (article also in Gaelic Life) this week. Get the impression Joe isn't crazy about Donegals style of play :D

Brolly’s Bites - What’s the point, Jim?

Jerome Quinn did a very enjoyable video piece before the Ulster final called “Derry is buzzing” from Shamrock Park in Ballinderry (see it on youtube).


Conleith Gilligan, Big Enda and Kevin McGuckin were down at the park helping out with the club’s summer camp and the atmosphere was one of fun and excitement. The children were asked to predict the scores. “1-19 to 1-18” said one. Adam Gilligan, heir to the Gilligan fortune, predicted that Derry would win by 3-11 to 2-9 and “my daddy will score the Derry goals.” His daddy is one of the most skilled footballers the county ever produced. When Ballinderry won the All-Ireland club title in 2002, Conleith claimed the ‘Man of the Match’ award in five out of their six post-Derry championship games, controlling games with his pinpoint passing and clever movement.

So, in mid July in Clones, he brought all his reservoir of talent and experience onto the pitch; a lifetime of loving and learning the game. What a colossal waste of time that all turned out to be. All those early mornings on the Shamrocks pitch, kicking ball for the sheer pleasure of it. All those Saturday afternoons when he headed off with a bag of balls over his shoulder to perfect his technique with both feet, him and Big Enda putting on a private show, kicking sideline after sideline until it was dark, revelling in it. Pathetic!

Derry and Armagh had lit up the championship in the semi-final, an exhilarating game where players expressed themselves to the full. Eoin Bradley’s audacious skills brought gasps of admiration. Jamie Clarke terrified the Derry support every time the ball came near. Three brilliant goals! We came away with a spring in our step. How Pathetic! How absolutely pathetic!

Come the Ulster final, it became clear that what Derry men have been engaged in all these years is not football at all, but some childish fantasy. In Clones, Adam’s daddy never got a kick, because Donegal men played ring-a-ring-a-rosy around him for the entire game. This is lots of fun. The formula is this: Get all your players to stay inside their own half, save for Colm McFadden. Then surround the inside forwards. At halftime, you can stop doing it for ten minutes. When the whistle for the second half goes, resume the position until the final whistle goes. Then Rory will say “we make no apologies for this” and express surprise that people hate it. “I am amazed at the reaction” he said after last Sunday in Croke Park. “We are not in the business of entertainment.” You don’t say Rory..

In that Clones final, Enda Muldoon looked awful. No Derry forward scored. Very few even managed to get a shot off. To tell you the truth, I can remember very little about the game, other than the Ring-a-ring-a-rosy. Oh, and Donegal got a penalty which Michael Murphy crashed home. That aside, the mind draws a blank.

Their destruction of their games prior to the Dublin match was not just as depressing as last Sunday because up until then, no one had played them at their own game. The other opposition (save for Kildare who only got partially sucked in) fell into the trap of throwing their defenders forward in a desperate attempt to get a score. This allowed Donegal to selectively counter-attack into the space left behind, while still keeping their defence in position. The plan is simple and effective. Blot out all space inside their own half. Create a turnover as the opposition defenders come forward, then go for the jugular. Murphy, or Lacey or Kavanagh come through the middle, then lay the ball off for the striker. Tyrone played into their hands by coming forward from the back in droves. Their high-wire act was eventually exposed, two turnovers leading to the two killer goals. 2-6 is more than enough to do the job.

There are three ways to deal with Donegal’s death-grip. One is to put your head in your hands and weep. The second is reserved for the Kerrys of this world and by that I mean Kerry. The third is to do precisely the same to them. Keep your defenders in position. Use the spare men to surround Colm McFadden (above), then Michael Murphy in the unlikely event that he is allowed to go into the forwards (on Sunday, he was finally sent up on the 64th minute).

Until Jim and Rory came along, I had naively assumed Michael was a forward. There he was all those years, wasting his time learning the skills. Turns out, all he has to do to win an Ulster championship is play ring-a-ring-a-rosy along his half-back line and kick the odd free or penalty. Dublin did the only thing that can be done. Do to them what they do to you, make it a horrible stalemate, then hope to scramble the late free or penalty that will win the game.

When other teams gradually realise that Dublin’s approach is the only viable way to deal with Donegal’s strategy, there is only one future. Forwards, even great ones like Bernard Brogan and Michael Murphy become irrelevant. Their role will be to try to get their hands to the ball and hope to win a free as the swarm of defenders reaches in. The goalie will be an expert long range free-taker, since all the fouling is done outside the scoring zone. The best scoring forwards will in future be picked in the half back line. Midfielders as we know it will become redundant. Jack O’Shea and his ilk will be relics of a romantic past. Instead, we will have ruck rovers like they have in Aussie rules, workaholics who roam up and down the field.

The point that has been missed in all the furore caused since Sunday is that there are two mutually exclusive positions. The first is Donegal’s self-interest. They are perfectly entitled to play whatever game they wish to. Incredibly, they are Ulster champions and had Colm McFadden bagged the goal he ought to have, they would be getting ready for an All-Ireland final.

The second however, is the wider interests of the game and the people who love it. On this front, we, the people, are perfectly entitled to say that what Donegal do is fundamentally damaging to Gaelic football. Jim asked afterwards what was “the point in going out in a blaze of glory”, something Donegal conspicuously did not do last Sunday. Instead, they went out in a shameful and forgettable way, iced by the disgraceful play-acting of Martin Boyle. No one will remember it. No one would want to remember it.

Don't always agree with Brolly but I think he sums up Donegal pretty well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on September 05, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
poor effort by joe there I think. I kinda know what he's getting at, but what's his point? Only one man allowed to tackle Conleith Gilligan?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 06, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
Brolly on why Mayo couldn't beat Cork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FfdxS0CvjC0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FfdxS0CvjC0)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on September 06, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on September 06, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

There's a bit of truth in this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ck on September 06, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

There's a bit of truth in this.

Eulogizing Tyrone? Sure he Eulogized Donegal as long as they were winning. The second they lost he came down on them like a ton of bricks. Brolly is a hypocrite of the highest order. He very often contradicts himself in the same sentence!
I don't think the man really knows his own mind. He uses hindsight to its maximum benefit and therefore is always right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Leo on September 07, 2011, 12:02:38 AM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

When the obserer (commentator) beomes the focus we have both got it wrong.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on April 03, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Has this been posted on here yet? Great stuff from Joe again.

http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549 (http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on April 03, 2012, 10:31:55 AM
"A big boy called me names."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on April 03, 2012, 10:45:24 AM
A big boy that keeps on winning All-Irelands. ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AQMP on April 03, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
Entertaining as always Joe, but essentially a storm in a tae cup.  In sporting terms this was all a long time ago.  Can we all not just move on??  Good line from Francie though ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on April 03, 2012, 11:35:20 AM
Has this been posted on here yet? Great stuff from Joe again.

http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549 (http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-north-men-south-men-comrades-all-my-arse-1-3674549)

It's been posted all right. Embarrassing shite of the highest order. Joe is usually quite insightful with his take on events but that is so wide of the mark. Probably fuelled by the fact that Joe was less than capable of dealing with the darker side of sport game as a player.

As an Armagh man my embarrassment at the county and McKeever's handling of this hasn't subsided and the longer these dreary opinion pieces continue to drip out the longer that embarrassment will be sustained
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on April 03, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
Also apparently incorrect. This

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When Saint Mary’s CBS Grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland ‘B’ hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant racial abuse by the opposition. The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to “Go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there.”

Was rigourously denied by the principal of Doon CBS, was all over the Leader down here in Limerick. There was also a quote from the principal in St Mary's that rubbished the article, and actually said that Brolly hadn't contacted the school to even ask them.


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THE PRINCIPAL of a County Limerick School has told the Leader of his “complete and utter disgust at a sectarian slur” by Joe Brolly on his players.

In Mr Brolly’s article in The Irish Mail on Sunday about Armagh’s claim of “racism” he referenced St Fintan’s CBS in Doon.

He wrote: “When Saint Mary’s CBS grammar school from Belfast played and defeated Doon CBS from Limerick in the colleges All-Ireland B hurling semi-final a fortnight ago, the Belfast students complained afterwards that they were subjected to incessant abuse by the opposition.

“The father of one of the lads described in a local newspaper how when he went to celebrate with his son at the final whistle, he was told by one of the Doon players to ‘go back to Britain and play your f***ing games up there’.”

Eddie Bourke, principal of St Fintan’s CBS, said the first he heard about these allegations were when one of his teachers rang him on Sunday night.

“There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in the article. It’s an awful slur on the school. We’re absolutely disgusted that Joe Brolly would go and write something like that without contacting us. It’s a cheap shot,” said Mr Bourke.

On Monday he sat down with the players of the team.

“They find it very hard to take that kind of insult. I have great regard for those lads. They had a great year in hurling and football. They won some matches that they shouldn’t have won. They are a very gritty team, a very honest group of young fellows.

“There is nothing like that in them. They are very annoyed with it. We want to uphold the good name of the school,” said Mr Bourke, who was on the sidelines for the semi-final in Dublin.

“I was very close to the action as were all our teachers. I heard absolutely nothing during the match. When the game was over we spoke to the teachers and coaches from St Mary’s, congratulated them and wished them luck in the final.

“They came in to our dressing room to commiserate with us and they got a great round of applause. Our team went in to their dressing room and did the same thing. It was all very friendly and we parted in very good company,” said Mr Bourke, who added that there was nothing in the referee’s report.

He is backed up by the principal of St Mary’s, Jim Sheerin.

“I didn’t see the article by Joe Brolly but I’ve had absolutely no contact from any players, parent or supporters of St Mary’s to make a complaint or object to how the Doon players conducted themselves. It is complete news to me when I heard it. It was a hard fought match which could have gone either way and it ended in very good spirits.

“I was at the match and if there had been anything I’m sure they would have expressed that to me. If people were incensed or aggrieved in some way clearly there was an opportunity on the day to alert me to it. There was nothing on the day,” said Mr Sheerin.

Like Mr Bourke he says he has had no phone call in relation to what Mr Brolly has reported,

“I agree [with Mr Bourke] it is a slur on the school and he is quite right to follow it up,” said Mr Sheerin. Regarding the local newspaper mentioned by Mr Brolly, the principal say their local paper is the Anderstown News or the widely circulated Irish News.

The Leader has contacted both and they say that nothing was printed of that nature.

Mr Bourke is to seek a retraction.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on April 03, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Joe will have a bit of explaining to do it seems.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 03, 2012, 12:06:55 PM
He should take Joe to court  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 03, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
Joe will have a bit of explaining to do it seems.

The principal was never going to confirm that it did happen now was he ?

I can't see the principal getting an apology or Joe getting annoyed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 03, 2012, 12:14:10 PM
Joe might be alright as he says it was quoted in the local paper, I wonder which paper that is?  He ill should have run it past the school first but you'll not hear an apology from him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on April 03, 2012, 12:16:27 PM
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on April 03, 2012, 12:24:54 PM
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.

Read the article before you start, ahem, whinging...

'The Armagh County Board last week accusing a Laois player of “racism” after he repeatedly taunted their captain Ciaran McKeever, alledgely branding him “ a British b**tard” and shouting “God save the Queen” in his face. British? Affordable housing, safe banks, steady employment and a stable infrastructure? On one view, it’s not much of an insult. And it isn’t racism.

What it is however, is an unpleasant attack on the ethos of the GAA, betraying as it does a certain partitionist mentality.'


(Jasus, but Armagh CB have alot to answer for in introducing the 'r' word)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: jeremiah on April 03, 2012, 12:28:24 PM
The incident that Joe references was in the Off the Fence section in the Irish News the week after the Armagh Laois game and the St Marys semi final. It was by somebody claiming to be a parent of one of the St Marys players so don't think Joe has a case to answer on that point
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2012, 03:17:08 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

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Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 03, 2012, 03:33:04 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

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Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

They didn't in 04 when Mayo beat Tyrone if I can remember. Most of the Armagh and Fermanagh contingent were cheering on Mayo that day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 03:43:40 PM
Brolly is correct but he is a complete hypocrite. He has spent the last 8 years eulogizing his beloved Tyrone for using the same tactics.

There's a bit of truth in this.

I beg to differ with ya, me oul’ segotia: no doubt about it but there’s a lot of truth there. ;)
Shortly after Tyrone’s AI win in ’05, Brolly really went into overdrive praising the (then) present team and the overall football structures in the county.
Joe couldn’t se a sign of weakness in any sector of the team and asserted that Tyrone would be a dominant force in Irish football for years to come.
He put their dominance down to the generous funding the county board was getting courtesy of the GFA and to the farsighted approach of the said county board that had set up superb coaching structures to develop under-age talent.
He claimed Armagh were doing a fine job in that regard also and Derry were also starting to put their grant money to good use.
He wrote this eulogy in his column in the ‘Irish News’ and while I forget the finer details of his article, I have referred to it several times on here in the interim.
I do recall what Shane Curran had to say on the subject of Ulster sides taking the Queen’s shilling and putting iit to good use and it mirrored Brolly’s own take on the subject.
It is hypocritical for him now to sing a different tune when it appears to suit his purposes.
I think he is way off the mark on another matter also ands that is the animosity that he alleges exists between neighbouring counties down south.
He said Mayo folk don’t support Galway and I assume he infers that the same applies in reverse.
That’s bollixology.
I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.

I am picking only one year as an example but I’ve no reason to doubt that things have ever been any different.
I’m afraid Joe is just being his usual mischievous self when he comes up with the likes of the article we’re referring to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on April 03, 2012, 03:46:01 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

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Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

They didn't in 04 when Mayo beat Tyrone if I can remember. Most of the Armagh and Fermanagh contingent were cheering on Mayo that day.

I think the oul back-door system knocked that on the head. It is no longer the case that the Provincial winners are representing the province.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: HiMucker on April 03, 2012, 03:53:48 PM
What the fck is this about?? Now that there's (more or less) equality in the North, have some people decided they need to turn their victimhood and whinging somewhere else? Where's nearest - ah the south! Let's have a go at them for racial abuse.
What absolute sh*te.
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cornafean on April 03, 2012, 04:10:25 PM

I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.


I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.

I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 03, 2012, 10:14:28 PM

I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.


I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.

I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)

And that's how it should be. *Leaves thread for fear of what Rossfan says..... :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 03, 2012, 10:33:20 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

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Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

Nah. Whatever about Munster, Leinster and Ulster, Connacht is the most bonded together province. Partly from the siege mentality of always being down-troden by outsiders and and even the etched in memories of 'To Hell or to Connacht' we invariably back each other when it comes down to it. We all talk plenty of rubbish, but few true supporters in Connacht would ever harbour anything but hope for the other counties when it comes down to the heat of the championship.

Just ask all those Rossies who were there in July of '98 and had watched our two counties play to a stalemate, twice, only for the ultimate and exquisite agony of an extra-time goal to burn out our hope as the light dimmed over Dr. Hyde Park.

The very same Rossies who crowded the streets of Athlone in two months later when you brought Sam over the Shannon and home to Connacht.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 03, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 03, 2012, 11:16:05 PM

I had reason to drive through North Galway in ’96 and then on through Roscommon on my way to Croke Park for the AI.
I was amazed at the number of red and green flags flying in both counties. Loads of Mayo supporters got into the ground early to support the Rossie minors.


I presume you mean 2006? The Rossie minors were there in 2006.

I had occasion to drive through Mayo & Roscommon in the leadup to the 1996 All Ireland final and the only part of Roscommon festooned in red and green flags was Ballaghdereen ;)
I got the year wrong alright. I had meant ’06 but I was thinking also of ’96 when Mayo made the same fruitless journey to HQ and Roscommon, Longford and Westmeath, or at least those regions along the N5/N4, had the Mayo colours flying.
There weren’t that many in the last two counties but there were plenty to be seen in Rossie land and I mean all along the route, Elphin, Tulsk, Strokestown et al.

Granted, there weren’t quite as many in ‘06 but it was a difference of quantity not of quality of support.
I passed through late on the eve of the final and the sheep shaggists had plenty of Mayo flags out by then and once again I’m talking of the afore-mentioned towns as well as Ballagh.

Syferus (#83) has summed the Connacht psyche up very well.
Whatever rows we may have west of the Shannon don’t travel across water very well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AFS on April 03, 2012, 11:27:30 PM
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?

I'll type it out for you. I cut a couple of the less important bits out.

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The Paddy Heaney Column

Kick passing is great. Cross are great. Fishing is great. The end.

By Paddy Heaney 3rd April 2012

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 04, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
anyone post up Paddy Heaneys article today in the Irish news?

I'll type it out for you. I cut a couple of the less important bits out.

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The Paddy Heaney Column

Kick passing is great. Cross are great. Fishing is great. The end.

By Paddy Heaney 3rd April 2012

Very nicely and accurately summarised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on May 06, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
He gives the Tyrone synchronised diving team an awful touch in the "Irish" Mail on Sunday today. Hard to disagree with what he says in fairness.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on May 07, 2012, 02:45:26 AM
Its bad enough that we allow foreigners like Brolly work for our national broadcaster but we allow him to insult us as well.

I think there should be a purge of all Nordies from our airwaves. If anything it would rid us of those godawful accents.

(takes cover)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on May 07, 2012, 03:55:15 AM
Its bad enough that we allow foreigners like Brolly work for our national broadcaster but we allow him to insult us as well.

I think there should be a purge of all Nordies from our airwaves. If anything it would rid us of those godawful accents.

(takes cover)

How many more Cork Gardaí would be willing to fill the accent void, though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2012, 02:33:48 PM
Explosive stuff from Brolly but as ever with him you don't know when he's telling the truth or when he's just making stuff up for effect. No wonder he's a barrister.

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Our experience explains why we are far more fervent about our province than the other three. When I began working in RTE I was amazed that Cork people didn’t support Kerry when they got out of Munster and Mayo folk didn’t support Galway. Up here, we rally round whoever gets through because we feel we are all in it together.

That bit is certainly true alright. Ulster lads will nearly always back each other up when they are not knocking the shite out of each other. There is far less of that in the other provinces.

Nah. Whatever about Munster, Leinster and Ulster, Connacht is the most bonded together province. Partly from the siege mentality of always being down-troden by outsiders and and even the etched in memories of 'To Hell or to Connacht' we invariably back each other when it comes down to it. We all talk plenty of rubbish, but few true supporters in Connacht would ever harbour anything but hope for the other counties when it comes down to the heat of the championship.Just ask all those Rossies who were there in July of '98 and had watched our two counties play to a stalemate, twice, only for the ultimate and exquisite agony of an extra-time goal to burn out our hope as the light dimmed over Dr. Hyde Park.

The very same Rossies who crowded the streets of Athlone in two months later when you brought Sam over the Shannon and home to Connacht.

Dead right. I was listening to Brian Carthy yesterday commenting on the u21 final and at one stage there was a piece that he described as "Roscommon football at its best" and I think a lot of Galway people are fans of that when the Rossies get to Dublin. The same goes when Mayo are playing. And when Mayo eventually win the f*cking thing beidh daoine ag gol  i nGaillimh freisin.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 07, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Yourself seafoid being one of them?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
Yourself seafoid being one of them?

Gan dabht. All the years of pain and suffering and by 4.55 one Sunday evening they will be washed away. Mayo is one of the great stories of the GAA. I think what will happen is that the match will be over as a game by 4.30 with Mayo tacking over the points from all angles and Kerry destroyed so the final whistle  will come as an anticlimax  :) 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 07, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Stop teasing the Mayo lads Seafóid.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mylestheslasher on May 07, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
Didn't shane curran name one of his kids after a soccer player that played for his beloved arsenal. I wouldn't heed much about that lad says. I was once told in Mayo to f**k off back to my own country. Truth is when people get riled they will use what they can to abuse you. Used to be there were some unwritten rules about what you couldnt say like calling a fellow Gael a Brit but there are less and less sacred cows now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on May 07, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 08, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
Took this from the Derry Journal

Don't think its the same article that was in the Irish Mail
 
Brolly’s Bites - Tyrone - From Barca to Ballyclare Comrades! 
By Joe Brolly
Published on Friday 4 May 2012 12:22


KIERAN McGeeney said before last Sunday’s Division Two Final that Tyrone were the Barcelona of Gaelic football.


Long before the final whistle sounded in Croke Park, the thought struck me that they looked more like Ballyclare Comrades! If the Barcelona analogy implied a similar sort of attacking creativity, this was sorely absent.

Before Sunday, the possibility was that Tyrone – having taken a year out in 2011 – were back in business. There had been a bit of healing time after the awful tragedy in Mauritius and the five retirements of veteran stars had allowed a number of young men who, up until now, had been bit players to become regular starters.

Twelve consecutive victories in the McKenna Cup and Division Two cemented the notion that Mickey and his group were off on another adventure that might lead to Sam.

But by half three last Sunday, that notion had evaporated as Tyrone toiled laboriously, hand-passing and solo-running their way into the massed Kildare defence.

The most disappointing feature of their play was the utter lack of invention. Their once revolutionary game plan has become one dimensional.


New Foundation Stone

Peter Harte is the new foundation stone of their slightly revised method. Deployed at centre-half back, he doesn’t really play there at all. Rather he uses it as a disguise to attack through the middle. When he takes off, Ronan McNabb drops back from wing half-forward to cover him.

As Tyrone attack, their forwards take their men away from the central column in front of the goals by making decoy runs towards the wing. Peter runs through the unguarded centre, the ball is transferred to him and he either scores or sets up a score. As a result, he was Tyrone’s top scorer in the League.

In their League opener against Kildare three months ago, the tactic had worked a treat. Peter took advantage of Kildare’s confusion that day to score one goal and set up the second in a five point victory.

This time, Kildare were ready. On Sunday, when McNabb dropped back, his man simply switched into the central area to meet and greet Peter. Instead of the Kildare defenders and midfielders following the decoy runners towards the wings, they congregated in the central scoring area. And that, as they say, was that.

Peter spent the game running into a brick wall. Stephen O’Neill, the one forward who could have unlocked Kildare’s defence was, as usual, starved of possession.

Twice, the ball was kicked to him in the danger zone. From these two opportunities, he scored a point, then created and almost took a goal chance that might have changed the game. He must be bored out of his wits playing on this team, particularly now that the better oppositions have cottoned on to their method.

Tyrone’s defenders and midfielders simply do not kick the ball, unless it is a 15 yards foot pass. Instead, they solo-run and hand-pass (admittedly at speed) out of their defence until they reach the opposition ‘40.’ By then, Stephen is swallowed up inside the blanket defence, living off scraps.

Likewise Owen Mulligan. If the Tyrone runners are not allowed to come through the middle area, then the team is in serious trouble.

Jim McGuinness demonstrated last summer how to stop them in their tracks. After a nervy first 25 minutes, which Donegal spent shaking off their inferiority complex, they were in complete control.

The first tactically astute Dublin team in living memory repeated the dose in Croke Park a few months later. Now, Kildare have done the same.

Up until Sunday, this group had played Tyrone four times in League and Championship and failed to win a single game. Now, like Donegal and the Dubs, they have their number.


My, How Things Have

Changed

It is interesting to see how things have changed. Before the 2008 final, which almost everyone thought Kerry would win, their old coach Paddy Tally said at a chat show in Sally O’Brien’s (I still have fond memories of those wet t-shirts) that he couldn’t see how Kerry could win.

“Why?” the Radio Highland compere asked him.

“I don’t see how they can stop the Tyrone runners through the middle. You need to plan for that.”

Paddy was absolutely right. You may recall how in the last 10 minutes that day, Tyrone poured through that central scoring column in front of the Kerry goals, kicking five points without reply to close the game out.

“Amazing” Pat Spillane muttered to me at the final whistle, “f***ing amazing.” Amazing indeed, but only when you don’t understand how they did it.

Four years on, the big teams know now how they did it. Most of them have copied and refined that style. This method used to be Tyrone’s trump card. Their loaded dice. Suddenly, a strategy built on Peter Harte isn’t much of a surprise.

Tyrone are back in the pack, and back in the pack to stay . . . .

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 12:18:14 PM
Typical barrister, isolates the points that create and sustain his attack whilst conveniently shutting out similar acts of showmanship exuded by his own county teams, himself etc.
If we treat these guys opinions as anything more than mere sporting titillation, its ourselves we need to be looking at.   
Spillane set the template, these guys follow, and as much as I like Brolly he could have referred to any team. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 10, 2012, 12:34:30 PM
I'd say if you ran a poll, Tyrone would clean up in the diving / cheating stakes. Mighty football team but the play acting etc is fierce hard to watch

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 10, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Typical barrister, isolates the points that create and sustain his attack whilst conveniently shutting out similar acts of showmanship exuded by his own county teams, himself etc.
If we treat these guys opinions as anything more than mere sporting titillation, its ourselves we need to be looking at.   
Spillane set the template, these guys follow, and as much as I like Brolly he could have referred to any team.

You first sentence makes absolutely no sense. How would highlighting similar acts if they were exuded by his own county teams lessen his argument in any way?

His argument I believe is that the game is cheapened and lessened by these incidents. They don't happen in hurling. There is a creeping culture of this is gaelic football and it deserves to be highlighted time and again. What teams are involved is irrelevant to the argument. He named incidents featured Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry players.

The backlash running along the lines of 'whatabout x' or 'that's over the top' only serves to make his point i.e. that even supporters tolerate a culture of this kind of cheating these days.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ardal on May 10, 2012, 01:06:37 PM
After games, HQ should watch the videos and any Oscar performances should be dealt with retrospectively. A one year ban, no appeal, for any individuals involved
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 10, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 10, 2012, 01:42:24 PM
Are you for real???? It was one of the worst, most cynical dives in Gaelic games history. He ran into a stationary man from the side and went down holding his face!!! Now unless Peter has the same genetic issue that Samuel L Jackson had in that movie 'unbreakable', then he dived.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 10, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

the problem in a nutshell. Cheating is cheating is cheating.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 10, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 02:38:43 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. .  He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging,  so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair.  But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity. 
3) Thumping their own manager. 
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on May 10, 2012, 05:22:02 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. .  He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging,  so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair.  But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity. 
3) Thumping their own manager. 
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.

YERROOOOOO!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on May 10, 2012, 08:40:23 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

I bet you didn't know that Greg McCartan was an Olympic standard hammer thrower in his youth and its no wonder Brian McGuigan got badly injured when he threw the size 5 O'Neills at him!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orangemac on May 10, 2012, 09:40:27 PM
Joe's memory for a barrister is pretty poor.

Tyorne and Donegal were level with 70 mins on the clock, hardly complete control.

As well as Tyrone played in the 2nd half against Kerry only McConnells studs stopped Kerry winning that game. I think Sheehan missed a 45 to level it with time almost up as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 10, 2012, 10:43:05 PM
Joe's memory for a barrister is pretty poor.

Tyorne and Donegal were level with 70 mins on the clock, hardly complete control.

As well as Tyrone played in the 2nd half against Kerry only McConnells studs stopped Kerry winning that game. I think Sheehan missed a 45 to level it with time almost up as well.

He said that once Donegal shook off their inferiority complex and started to play, from 0-1 to 0-6 down after a very nervy first 25 minutes, they were in complete control. And indeed they strangled Tyrone and outscored them 2-5 to 0-3 for the remainder of the game. You can quibble with his choice of words, but his point, that Donegal shut down the Tyrone attack, as they did Derry in the next game, and as did Dublin and Kildare to Tyrone later on, is a fair one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 10, 2012, 11:05:12 PM
Sheehan was sitting beside me at the end
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 10, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2012, 11:43:23 PM
ball wasnt anywhere near McCarthy, no need to bump him at all, then lie down after getting injured trying to check the man, wrong man got the yellow card, but i remember gerrys effort at reffing a few games lol
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 12:31:55 AM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc


Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Of course it's a dive. He went to give a cowardly, sly and entirely unnecessary dig and as he did he hit the ground as if he was bottled. I don't see any blood and even if he did manage to injure himself it wasn't enough to cause him to fall to the ground. To add to the shameful episode the Tyrone medical staff decided to bandage him up as if he fell from the top of the hogan and landed on his head.

As others have said, that type of shite is becoming all too common and if we want to eradicate that type of embarrassing rubbish from our game we all need to demand more from our players. Let's stop justifying this nonsense irrespective of who does it or what they've achieved as footballers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 12:44:09 AM
Ah FFS. He went in to give the same dunt you'd give yourself. Karma maybe meant he came worse off.

All this 'unnecessary' or 'cowardly' stuff  - feck off to soccer or hockey. He was attempting to put himself about but came worse off.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 12:50:14 AM
Tis you who should feck off to soccer if you think giving a man standing with his back to you a dunt and then hitting the ground like a woman is in anyway manly or something we should want in our game. I want physical football and if lads square up to each other fine but canavan dived while trying to deliver a cheap shot. It's the like of you and your patethic attempts to defend this shite that will ensure it develops onto even more embarrassing levels. In fact, it already has.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 12:53:52 AM
OK then. It was a pre-meditated dive. I'm happy to leave it at that and let others decide for themselves.

Women? Manly? I think you maybe read too much of the Irish Star.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 01:05:26 AM
That's great altogether.

Unfortunately I don't think you understand what a 'dive' is.

Canavan didn't dive. His tomfoolery saw him come off second best.

I still think hockey's your sport.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 01:14:38 AM
And soccer clearly is yours.

A dive is when you hit the turf when you don't need to just as Canavan did. A dive isn't simply when you go to ground though nobody touched you, so o'mahoney dived when slapped by Donnacha O'Connor and the Donegal lad dived when Connolly hit out at him last August. So too did Peter when he ran into a Kerry man looking the other way but he made it even worse by coming back onto the field wearing a turban. But sure as long as he's a Tyrone man you'll justify that shite to yourself somehow and we'll see more of that kind of rubbish in the future.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 11, 2012, 01:14:48 AM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc


Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Of course it's a dive. He went to give a cowardly, sly and entirely unnecessary dig and as he did he hit the ground as if he was bottled. I don't see any blood and even if he did manage to injure himself it wasn't enough to cause him to fall to the ground. To add to the shameful episode the Tyrone medical staff decided to bandage him up as if he fell from the top of the hogan and landed on his head.

As others have said, that type of shite is becoming all too common and if we want to eradicate that type of embarrassing rubbish from our game we all need to demand more from our players. Let's stop justifying this nonsense irrespective of who does it or what they've achieved as footballers.

Classic Tyrone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 11, 2012, 08:09:21 AM
With due respect to Tacadoir ArdMhacha for finding this quote, it has to be the starting point for anyone preparing to discuss Tyrone in an unfavourable light.

there are a lot of Tyrone people on here that would defend a Tyrone player if [he/she] went on a murdering spree
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 11, 2012, 09:10:05 AM
A dive is when you hit the turf when you don't need to just as Canavan did.

Zulu, I've no agenda, and certainly no desire to defend tyrone men. Philly Jordan after the coming together with Marsden was a disgrace. But if its to be governed right we need to be able to say what is and isnt a dive. A dive is when you go down unnecessarily. Look at the incident, Canavan comes in low and tries to come up through mccarthy. At the same time mccarthy turns, canavan bounces off him and theres connection with mccarthys arm. Its all canavans doing, and it certainly shouldnt have been a yellow card but he didnt dive. He clearly was unable to keep his balance. He probably could have got up quicker, but the rap to the head must have been severe enough if it opened him I suppose.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nally Stand on May 11, 2012, 10:49:55 AM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Beat me to it O'Neill.

A dive is feigning injury. Canavan had to go off to get patched up so it could hardly be described as a dive. It was no yellow card. Canavan tried to be sneaky, came off worse off and went down having gotten a blood wound. To quote the commentary... "to be fair Peter Canavan DID take a blow to the face even though it was completely unintentional, and now requires some attention to the cut".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 11, 2012, 11:06:50 AM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..

He didn't dive. He went in to bump yer man and got an unintentional wallop to the temple. A few seconds later you saw the blood  from it and he went off to get bandaged up. Wasn't a yellow but wasn't a dive.

Here's the full clip. Happens 6:10 til 9:52 when he comes back on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-2VB-bIKo

Beat me to it O'Neill.

A dive is feigning injury. Canavan had to go off to get patched up so it could hardly be described as a dive. It was no yellow card. Canavan tried to be sneaky, came off worse off and went down having gotten a blood wound. To quote the commentary... "to be fair Peter Canavan DID take a blow to the face even though it was completely unintentional, and now requires some attention to the cut".

Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
It looked like a dive alright. Video killed the throne star. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on May 11, 2012, 11:22:20 AM
Think this should be put up on the GAA traditions thread under "blind loyalty" and "eternal bitterness". The Tyrone lads are on shaky ground defending Canavan, it's hardly so false and damaging to his reputation that it demands such die-hard defence, if it was any other county player or even a lesser known tyrone player you'd say "ahh yeah, twas a bit of a dive all-right".

And for those who are so quick to label Canavan a "cheat/ diver/ coward", you wouldn't be as quick but for the fact Canavan is one of the most successful FF's or the modern game and put your beloved teams on yer hole on more than one occasion. Success breeds contempt lads but no need to display it so clearly. McCarthy got a yellow, didn't get sent off from what I remember so what's the big f**king deal in a match that happened 10 years ago? You think the kerry lads didn't bend the rules, engineer a free or have some off the ball digs over the course of the match? Get a grip.

Typically GAA can't see the wood for the f**king trees. Whilst we should be discussing Jordan's actions, O'Mahoney's and McGuigan's all the focus is on a debatable issue that didn't make 1 f**king difference. But then, it is a easy way to wind some-one up, Raison d'ętre for the board I suppose.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.

Bollix, if you ran towards a cupboard in your kitchen and it suddenly opened and hit you on the head, and you had a grass floor in your kitchen, you might very well feel like lying down and having a roll or two!  :P ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Feckitt on May 11, 2012, 11:52:40 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Legendary Post.  Fear on Strath Ban, take a bow!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 11, 2012, 12:00:26 PM
As Brolly says, and he is correct, if he was a hurling man, whether you think it was a dive or not against Kerry, he would lost all credibility
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 11, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.

 :D Very good Dinny, spot on assessment. Hard to believe blood was drawn from that "coming together".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 11, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
2003 was the turning point for me. Left Casement after the Derry Tyrone game, annoyed at the result obviously, but disgusted by the constant diving and throwing themselves to the ground looking handy frees from Tyrone...half a dozen Id say in the 1st half alone. Slightest touch, down. They got away with it and continued it throughout the championship, it worked and still works. Time to call a spade a spade and stop defending this carry on. A Derry man dives, he's a cheat, simple. Cork men, Carlow etc...needs to be eradicated from the game now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nally Stand on May 11, 2012, 12:25:52 PM
Bollix, if you bang your head at home in the kitchen, you don't throw yourself on the floor and roll around screaming..ffs it was a dive.

Bollix, if you ran towards a cupboard in your kitchen and it suddenly opened and hit you on the head, and you had a grass floor in your kitchen, you might very well feel like lying down and having a roll or two!  :P ;)

Damn right!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 11, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
2003 was the turning point for me. Left Casement after the Derry Tyrone game, annoyed at the result obviously, but disgusted by the constant diving and throwing themselves to the ground looking handy frees from Tyrone...half a dozen Id say in the 1st half alone. Slightest touch, down. They got away with it and continued it throughout the championship, it worked and still works. Time to call a spade a spade and stop defending this carry on. A Derry man dives, he's a cheat, simple. Cork men, Carlow etc...needs to be eradicated from the game now.

Mulligan's display against Antrim in 2003 with regard to diving was also pretty special...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 11, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
Im up for all of that but I found equally as unmanly Joe Sheridans goal in the Leinster final and subsequent denial of the facts aadd in Martin O Connell standing on peoples heads when they were lieing prostrate on the ground with their back to him, unmanliness has no heirarchy of perpertrators, accurate defination of offense, nor does it stop at county boundaries.  It has been a problem affecting the GAA since Spillane took the first recorded dive on national TV in an all ireland final V roscommon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Puckoon on May 11, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
Great line in that clip O'Neill. "Enda McGinley, the minister without portfolio".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
Im up for all of that but I found equally as unmanly Joe Sheridans goal in the Leinster final and subsequent denial of the facts aadd in Martin O Connell standing on peoples heads when they were lieing prostrate on the ground with their back to him, unmanliness has no heirarchy of perpertrators, accurate defination of offense, nor does it stop at county boundaries.  It has been a problem affecting the GAA since Spillane took the first recorded dive on national TV in an all ireland final V roscommon.

My point exactly!! Look, I've done things on a football field that I'm not proud of and I took a dive once when I was struck from behind with a closed fist. The guy didn't connect properly and our coach had drilled it into us not to get involved in any fighting as that's what our opponents wanted so I went down rather than strike back but the reality is I could easily have stayed on my feet, as could Peter in that clip.

There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.

The only time you should hit the turf is when you can't physically stand up and players holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. It's only when your own won't defend you that players will cop on a bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 11, 2012, 08:48:01 PM
Meh, haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 09:42:11 PM


There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.



Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.

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players holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. 

Could you draw up a force metre?

A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 11, 2012, 09:54:53 PM
Can anyone post the Irish Mail story? Cheers.

Seen it in Gaelic Life today...sum craic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmErywscOc

Thats not a dive. If anything, its a free out, and if there was gonna be a card it should be to Canavan, but he didnt dive, he just tried to hit mccarthy and came off worse. Cavanagh, now thats different...

Jesus you wouldn't see that kind of denial in a John Grisham novel..
I remember that game and that incident, After some more hauling by Kerry Canavan went in to try and take the quick free and inadvertently ran into the man in his desperation to get back Tyrones advantage. .  He was bursted right open and needed to leave the field for stitches, and some forehead bandaging,  so the lad was hurt and went down hurt as you are entitled to do surely to be fair.  But in fairness to the big lad he didnt know as much about it as Gerry Kenneavy felt he did, and when you put it into the context of the day the Kerry tactics that day included:
1) stopping quick free kicks
2) hauling them down at every opportunity. 
3) Thumping their own manager. 
Twas an angry Kerry shower that came up to Croke Park, that day the only thing that sized up to their snarling misplaced aggression was the length of the tail between their legs as they traipsed onto the Killarney express that evening, and gathered silently onboard wondering what excuses/spin could they create for such a complete footballing annihilation.

I'm not a regular here, but you seem to have quite the chip on the shoulder when it comes to Kerry for some reason?
Wherever you're from, to try to twist the facts on the 2003 semi final to imply that Kerry were the team employing cycnical tactics is fantasy of the highest order. Tyrone's tactics weren't pretty, but when you're trying to win your 1st AI then its understanable, in hindsight at least. Kerry were shit anyway that day and had gone off the boil under Paidi.
On the Canavan dive: It was disgusting, and anyone defending it is being delusional. Not just the intent to get McCarthy sent off or carded, but the rolling around with his hands on his face which is clearly visible in that clip...sickening. Incidents like that and O'Mahony's dive in 2008 would make you ashamed watching them and really should be punished harshly by refs.

The antidote to all of this "puke" of course was the 2005 final which was a great game deservedly won by Tyrone...playing great football without resorting to any underhand stuff.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cadhlancian on May 11, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
YOU are the one talking Bollocks Zulu! Very simple, Canavan was coming for a sly dig ( hardly a blind side punch or a headbutt from the side??), and as ONeill rightly pointed out , he paid the price for it ( i.e karma). You didnt see the blood because you choose not to, and yes...........you do have an agenda...the more you speak on here, the worst it becomes !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 10:06:52 PM
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On the Canavan dive: It was disgusting, and anyone defending it is being delusional. Not just the intent to get McCarthy sent off or carded, but the rolling around with his hands on his face which is clearly visible in that clip...sickening. Incidents like that and O'Mahony's dive in 2008 would make you ashamed watching them and really should be punished harshly by refs.

I find it remarkable that you can watch the clip again and still say that. Maybe I am going mad. You just have to watch his feet, the movement and the afters.

Canavan was on the edge that day. He was banging into players right left and centre in those opening moments. A few seconds before that he gave another Kerry player a similar junt. He left the pitch soon after, going over on his ankle when prancing like a march hare. Even in that clip with McCarthy he nearly went over on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 11, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
It's a pity when the county people of an offending player go all partisan. The Meath lads and Joe Sheridan and now Throne and St Peter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
It's a pity when the county people of an offending player go all partisan. The Meath lads and Joe Sheridan and now Throne and St Peter.

Again, Peter is no saint. The man has skeletons. In this case, he didn't dive. What about the non-Tyronites who didn't think it was a dive? Is that a pity too?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 10:37:31 PM


There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.


Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.

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players holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. 

Could you draw up a force metre?


A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star

We're not discussing just one incident, it's indicative of a trend and when you (and others)try to defend the indefensible we need to start worrying about where the game is headed. You clearly couldn't give two f**ks though.

On your rather idiotic question, a simple bit of cop on by authorities would answer it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 10:42:41 PM
Please stop talking bollocks. I've no agenda here, I simply want to see honest hard football with players showing respect for the game. There now is diving where before it was almost unheard of and it isn't so long ago that when players squared up the last thing anyone wanted to be seen to do was go down, now it's the first thing many players do. It's about time we started calling players out for this shite irrespective of the colour of the jersey, unfortunately you're not willing to do it.
YOU are the one talking Bollocks Zulu! Very simple, Canavan was coming for a sly dig ( hardly a blind side punch or a headbutt from the side??), and as ONeill rightly pointed out , he paid the price for it ( i.e karma). You didnt see the blood because you choose not to, and yes...........you do have an agenda...the more you speak on here, the worst it becomes !!


I didn't see it because I chose not to and I have an agenda, are a mind reader or something?? I didn't see any blood and I couldn't care less if there was as he still didn't need to go down holding his face. And what is my agenda?? Please answer this as it should be good.

This is reaching farcical levels with lads trying to defend this. The game will go down the swanny if some of you lads are in the majority with that view.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 10:54:42 PM


There is no high moral ground here and it isn't a case of certain players or certain counties doing it, though some are more prone to it than others, the issue is the game itself. Lets call a spade a spade when diving and exaggerating injuries occur regardless of who does it. As we can see from this thread many lads are unwilling to call out their own, until that happens the great game of football will drift evermore towards the BS that infects soccer.


Nearly threw up in my mouth there. FFS we're discussing one incident. I'm saying that incident definitely wasn't a dive. No one is exonerating diving.

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players holding their faces when clearly not struck there with any force should be banned. 

Could you draw up a force metre?


A tap + hold face = red card
A slap + hold face = yellow card
A punch + hold face = OK
A kick + hold face = All Star

We're not discussing just one incident, it's indicative of a trend and when you (and others)try to defend the indefensible we need to start worrying about where the game is headed. You clearly couldn't give two f**ks though.

On your rather idiotic question, a simple bit of cop on by authorities would answer it.

We are discussing one incident. Well, I am. From 9 years ago. Instead you've misunderstood the posts and decided to get on a soapbox about issues that the entire country agree with, i.e. a rather pointless contribution.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 11, 2012, 11:05:00 PM
Look, if you're defending that then you're defending all diving. I can only presume the colour of the jersey is colouring your view of the incident which is an all too common problem. Anyone who thinks peter's actions after the connection were justified is either a Tyrone man or nuts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 11, 2012, 11:07:57 PM
Fair enough. We'll never agree on that. (nuts)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2012, 11:32:22 PM
Its a good job the old meath team of the late 80`s aint playing in this era, they wouldnt have missed u, probably would never have finished a game with a full 15 giving the amount of men lying down after running into Mick lyons, and co, were they dirty, maybe but i loved watching them play, hard and on the edge but if u gave them a sly dig at least you knew they wouldnt lie down and try get you sent off, liley would have cut you in two going for the next ball though, played football for 15yrs and it was only through the early 00`s that a manager would be telling players to lie down if remotley touched, the older guys, myself included refused to do this ending up with get beneched in the process. Player think now its ok to dive its built in from underage up and is coached into teams. Just look back at different eras and how many players did you see lying down trying to get players sent off, it didnt happen, the same people trying to justify divinga re the same people watching soccer thinking its ok when ashley young dives etc, People love Barca in the soccer as a great footballing team, outside messi i have no time for them as a stiff breeze would blow over half their team, soccer mentality has became engrained in gaelic for quitea while, how many rugby players go down playacting, cant remember to many, so instead of people giving excuses for their teams diving, it be better condemning it, i have no time for any of my own county players were at it
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on May 12, 2012, 08:28:34 AM
And to think some people thought that little gimp was a better player than Maurice Fitzgerald  ::)

Maurice=legend, Canavan= cheating gobshite

end of argument.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 12, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Canavan runs into McCartney, who had his back to him at the time, got the slightest of touches and felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes. And then we have Mulligan and co surrounding the ref to get him booked who doesn't bother to consult his umpires, who appears to caves.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
Watched it again there repeatedly and there is no connection whatsoever that would draw blood and still no blood apparent when he is leaving the pitch. But even if Peter's head is made of egg shell and he did get cut it wasn't of the variety required to go down and if the collision meant he lost his footing then no need to stay down. As you say ML to compound matters the officiating was of the standard we come to expect, he didn't see what happened and didn't consult with his fellow officials who might have but still felt confident enough in himself to award a yellow to a full back withing 5 minutes of throw in!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 12, 2012, 03:05:42 PM
Look, if you're defending that then you're defending all diving.

Holy f**k...can you not get that the issue being argued is over whether this is a dive or not?? It has nothing to do with the issue of diving overall, its one incident. There are plenty of instances where canavan has dived, they're indefensible, this isnt defending canavan, its pointing out that in this instance IT WASNT A DIVE
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Eh???? Yes it was a dive, just because there is contact doesn't mean it isn't a dive. It is only when you and others cannot or will not see that this is a dive that the health of the game comes into the argument. If there are functioning adults who have played the game and watched that clip who think it wasn't a dive then there has never been a dive in Gaelic football and all is right in the world. Contact me bollocks, if it wasn't enough to put you down and keep you down then it is a dive. Christ, if we are to accept Peter was legitimately felled by that then pretty much anything short of a lad throwing himself to the ground before anyone else even enters the pitch is ok!!! And that is the point which you clearly don't get.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 12, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Falling on the ground isnt so much as to do with contact as balance ffs. Look at his feet - how to f**k is he supposed to stay up when he bounces off McCarthy. I've already said it was all his own doing, and he may have stayed down too long, but if you can see him throwing himself deliberately to the ground from that video, you're blind.

By your reckoning, if a man goes over on his ankle on the pitch, and falls to the ground, hes just dived. Its nonsensical. Canavan wasnt responsible for kinneavey getting the incident completely arseways
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armaghgeddon on May 12, 2012, 05:19:31 PM
Pete knew that Tyrone were going to lose possession so he took a dive. I bet if Tyrone weren't going to lose the ball he would have went out into space on the far side. Also, it wasn't like he never had enough time to stop and never even put his hands out to stop himself colliding.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 12, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Falling on the ground isnt so much as to do with contact as balance ffs. Look at his feet - how to f**k is he supposed to stay up when he bounces off McCarthy. I've already said it was all his own doing, and he may have stayed down too long, but if you can see him throwing himself deliberately to the ground from that video, you're blind.

By your reckoning, if a man goes over on his ankle on the pitch, and falls to the ground, hes just dived. Its nonsensical. Canavan wasnt responsible for kinneavey getting the incident completely arseways

Will you stop FFS, if he did lose his balance, which is debatable, then he simply should have got up. A dive is not only going to ground for no reason it is also faking injury when there is contact. We could argue all year whether he needed to go down or not and none of us can prove our argument but I think we all agree he exaggerated his injury and in my book that's a dive and shouldn't be justified by any means. Call it what you like but his actions from start to finish are a blight on football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bigpaul on May 12, 2012, 11:11:59 PM
I always thought Peter was a wee shite in this incident!When I saw this argument I studied the clip very closely.If you go to 50 seconds on the clip it takes you to the beginning of the slow-motion replay.In the slow-motion it is clear that Peter actually comes in under Mike Mc Carthy's arm,he certainly doesn't hit Mike's elbow with the front of his head, and goes to ground initially holding his hand to the side/back of his head.On hitting the ground he rolls,on coming out of the roll his hand is holding his face/eye area.I would have to say,if there was blood Peter must have removed an old scab with his gloves while rubbing his face!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Stevie g 8 on May 12, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Anyone that says canavan dived is talking complete shite.Kerry always playing the poor mouth with their whinging after a team stand up to them.canavan was more sinned again than sinner
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on May 12, 2012, 11:33:20 PM
Anyone that says canavan dived is talking complete shite.Kerry always playing the poor mouth with their whinging after a team stand up to them.canavan was more sinned again than sinner

There's none so blind as those who refuse to see
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 12:51:34 AM
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 01:13:19 AM
That's for sure, most of them wearing Tyrone shirts
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Stevie g 8 on May 13, 2012, 01:24:07 AM
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

+1
Canavan was a class act and one of the top players of the past 20 years who always led by example on the field
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2012, 01:42:16 AM
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one of the top players of the past 20 years who always led by example on the field

Quite a few in Tyrone followed his example, to be sure.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 13, 2012, 03:29:23 AM
He wasn't so special when he tried it on with Johnny McBride ... He was up to all sorts all the time and because he was a small man he got away with it more often than not!!! I have no sympathy for Canavan ever and he should have been the one booked for that appalling dive!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 08:53:19 AM
Authorities lying down to football’s con artists

Joe Brolly


Published on Friday 11 May 2012 13:05

With 12 minutes to go in the 1972 All Ireland Hurling Final, the ‘Cats’ were in dire straits, trailing by eight points to a rampant Cork. Eddie Keher won a ball near the touchline and took a ferocious belt of a hurl in his unguarded face.

Undaunted, he soloed through and drove a remarkable goal to the net. He turned and went back to his position, his face a mask of blood from the deep gash over his eye. The stitches could wait. Keher’s goal launched a legendary turnaround. He had been well held until that point but after the ‘belt’ went into overdrive. By the final whistle he had 2-9 to his name and Kilkenny were champions by seven points. It was a glorious and honourable day.

Mike Mac, Clare trainer during Ger Loughnane’s glorious reign, famously said “Men win All-Irelands.” In hurling, this is true. I vividly remember sitting in the Cusack stand for the epic ‘09 final. Tommy Walsh was just in front of us when he got a powerful belt in the face from Tipp’s Benny Dunne. The force of it knocked him to the ground but Walsh got straight back up, snarling. Dunne was sent off because the referee had no option, not because Tommy was writhing around on the grass. Hurlers are men of honour. They zealously guard their dignity. Neither I nor anyone in the RTE Sports Department could recall an instance of a hurler feigning injury to get an opponent carded. This is because it does not happen.

The same can no longer be said of Gaelic football. There is a joke that did the rounds a few years ago: Q. Why do hurlers not feign injury? A. Because Tyrone don’t play hurling.

In a 2002 World Cup group game, Brazil’s Rivaldo was waiting for the ball to take a corner kick against Turkey. A Turkish player kicked the ball towards him as Rivaldo was looking the other way. The lightweight FIFA ball struck him below the knee. The Brazilian dropped to the turf clutching his face, then writhed around in agony on the ground until the referee produced a red card for the hapless Turk. We laughed and smugly shook our heads, certain that such dishonourable behaviour would never deface our game. We’re not laughing now.

The following year, the Tyrone bandwaggon rolled into town and the virus of feigning injury was injected into the game. In the first round replay against Derry at Casement, Sean Kavanagh and Derry’s Padraig O’Kane ran across each other near the sideline. Sean went down clutching his face. O’Kane was sent off. Slow motion replay revealed minimal contact. In the Ulster final a month later, Down’s Gregory McCartan had a free awarded against him and petulantly tossed the ball towards Brian McGuigan who went down hard, hands glued to his face. Another red card. In that year’s All-Ireland semi-final versus Kerry, Peter Canavan tried to get Michael McCarthy sent off in the eighth minute in an absolutely shocking incident that has become immortalised on youtube. During a break in play, McCarthy was standing with his back to Peter with his arms outstretched. Canavan ran from behind into his arm, then went to ground clutching his face. McCarthy was yellow carded. Type ‘Peter Canavan hits the deck’ into your search engine and watch open-mouthed as the incident unfolds. Wee Peter dived so much that year a cartoon appeared of him on the internet in his Tyrone kit, wearing a snorkel and flippers.

The lowest point came in the final when Philip Jordan ran into Diarmuid Marsden off the ball, then went down rolling in anguish on the ground, cradling his jaw. The referee was conned and Marsden was red carded. When Central Council reviewed the video footage a few weeks later they revoked the red card and cleared the Armagh man. In his autobiography Joe Kernan’s outrage was still palpable. He wrote of being, “disgusted by the actions of at least one Tyrone player who mockingly clapped Diarmaid off the pitch.” The video is still on YouTube. Afterwards, Marsden - a man of integrity - was particularly distraught that his daughter when she grew up would find out her father had been sent off in an All Ireland final. As Kernan put it in his book, “thankfully, at least a good man’s name was cleared.” Colm Cavanagh did it for Derry’s James Conway in this year’s McKenna Cup final. There was no contact between them at all. Big Colm, all 6’3’’ and 15 stone of him, went down in agony. James was red carded. A somewhat sheepish CHC rescinded it when they watched the video and realised the referee had been taken for a ride. It has become commonplace.

When Kerry’s Aidan O’Mahoney got Cork’s Donnacha O’Connor sent off in the 2008 semi-final in another YouTube classic, it was another nail in the coffin of sportsmanship. Again, the card was rescinded on appeal. Dublin’s Diarmuid Connolly suffered the same fate in last year’s semi-final. Donegal’s Marty Boyle shouldered Connolly off the ball, Connolly pushed him back in the shoulder and Marty was suddenly unconscious. The Red card was rescinded.

In the recent NFL final, when Mayo’s Donal Vaughan took on the role of ham actor, throwing himself backwards to the ground holding his face after a minor shoving match with Cork’s Fintan Goold, I said on television that it was a disgrace that was disfiguring the game. Surprisingly, this provoked a massive wave of protest from Mayo folk, which tells you all you need to know about how the ethos of the game has changed. My cousin John plays full back for Dungannon RFC. He told me this week that anyone feigning injury in a rugby game to get an opponent carded would be ostracised by their team mates and club members. It used to be like this in our own game, but not any longer. Not only is it acceptable to cheat, it is now unacceptable to criticise the practice. Sadly, Men no longer win football All-Irelands.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 09:38:56 AM
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.

Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.

The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.

But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on May 13, 2012, 10:38:32 AM
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.

I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?

I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fitzroyalty on May 13, 2012, 11:09:27 AM
Why do Tyrone people argue a black crow's white?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 13, 2012, 11:47:47 AM
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 13, 2012, 12:01:24 PM
Rugby isn't the clean sport Joe or cousin John claims it is -


I didn’t think it would escalate to the stage it did do,” he said, “purely because we all knew that it [faking blood injuries] was something which was happening on a regular basis at other clubs.”

Later in the interview, Richards, to earn money during his three-year ban which ends in August, said: “I go to dinners, even to some junior clubs, and people were saying, ‘God, we do it [cheating] week in week out…’ "Whether people will say it was or was not [going on] is another thing, but most clubs that I’ve been to – and I don’t think there’s one that I haven’t been to whereby they said it wasn’t going on… In my eyes it was pretty prevalent.”

In September 2009 the Rugby Football Union published its investigation into Richards’s allegations that cheating was widespread. Professional players were asked to contribute to a survey and 129 responded. Of those, five per cent admitted that they had come across faking a blood injury in Test matches and 10 per cent in Premiership and European Cup fixtures.

On the subject of using medical actions to gain an unfair competitive advantage before or during a match, eight per cent said they were aware of it occurring in international games in England or overseas and 15 per cent in Premiership and European contests.

The RFU chose to highlight the fact that the bulk of the contributors had witnessed or experienced nothing of the sort and booted the matter into touch. But Richards, from his recent foray into the after-dinner circuit, is clearly convinced that he was not acting in isolation, and he was supported in that view by a number of professional colleagues at the time.

Three years on Bloodgate remains a stain that can’t be washed clean.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 13, 2012, 12:03:11 PM
Brolly's research seems to involve a sweep of youtube.

Marsden's red card was rescinded on a technicality. When Kernan et al headed up to HQ to present their case, the ban stood after analysing video footage. Later, they managed to get the ban overturned when Armagh appealed to Central Council on a procedural matter, stating that the GAC had failed to clarify with them if the referee had consulted with an umpire on the day.

The Brian McGuigan incident was definitely shameful.

But why has Brolly taken 9 years to have the balls to say what he feels?
Desperate stuff. Embarrassing yourself now.

Brolly is a bollocks of that there is no doubt but he is 100% correct. With the more professional attitude of the early 2000s Tyrone brought the professional attitude to gaining a competitive advantage. I call it cheating. Canavan had a history of it and Cavanagh is an embarrassment. He's over 6 foot and about 15 stone yet he goes over like a 2 year old.

There are none blind as those who will not see.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
What's desperate and how is it embarrassing? Because I challenge the accuracy and motive? I acknowledged the McGuigan incident was shameful.

Why is Brolly singling Tyrone out in a couple of incidents from 9 years ago? When he attempts to do it, you'd think he'd be accurate. Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up. He's inaccurate with the Marsden story.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on May 13, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
I thought Tyrone 'dived' their way to their first All-Ireland I had much more respect for them in their other 2 All-Ireland victories as they played better football and cut the diving shite. their first all-ireland was tarnished by this which is something awful as most counties remember their first success the best  and most cherished.

A few weeks after tyrone's first success me and me cousin started to do a 'diving dance' in front of dooher at a popular bar in Derry City; i thought he was gonna clamp us. Young and stupid in those days and we had a few drinks in us.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:16:02 PM
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.

Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages. This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 01:31:15 PM
Jesus A'Nail an article that long and the best you can come up with is 'why did it take brolly that long to say it?'. Personally I think he has it spot on. At least he says what he thinks and not writing for the sake of creating a bit of controversy. And what does YouTube have to do with it? Very good source, watching the incidents in question.

I completely agree with him. Hurlers put the footballers to shame. Rugby players too have it spot on. Whatever happened to pride and dignity?

I'm not just talking about Tyrone, it happens everywhere and sadly it's commonplace in club games throughout the country too. I find it sad the way our game has gone. Something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I used to be a massive soccer fan. Once the diving came into the English premiership I completely lost all interest. I would seriously hope the same does not happen to the football. Would be a very sad day for me.

Listen, there's nothing more cynical and sickening as diving, whether it's diving to win frees, feigning or embellishing injury or that practice of pulling the defenders arm to pretend to be fouled. Some will attempt to defend it by saying that umpires were ignoring off the ball crap and this was a way of highlighting it. I don't agree with that defence. And bla bla bla - we'll all sing from the same hymnsheet.

However, the incidents Brolly highlight are innaccurate. In my very honest opinion, Canavan didn't dive, Jordan didn't dive but McGuigan did. Yet that was 2003 FFS. I can think of countless other examples from various counties across the span of the last decade. The Sunday Game, which he sits on, hasn't showed the gumption to highlight it on their shows. They should be naming and shaming.

Is he saying that Tyrone introduced it? Is he saying that he didn't buy fouls back in the Derry heyday? He actually says Canavan tried to get McCarthy sent off. I find that remarkably insulting to Canavan and utterly inaccurate. Was Brolly on the SG in 2003? If so, why is he only raising this now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 13, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.

Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages.

This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.

Okay but to me it looks like simulation. Also it's nine years ago so I don't think it really matters any more.

Credentials bit was aimed at Stevie G's comment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 13, 2012, 01:38:04 PM
Some remarkable comments on here.

Midlouth had him so bad it,  'felt it was necessary to roll around on the ground for a couple of minutes.'

You can't help but feel we're dealing with idiots.

Ah O'Neill it isn't like you to resort to insults, maybe it wasn't minutes but it made a lot out of nothing imo, if a soccer player did that he'd be slated. Other than that McCarthy must have the hardest hands in Ireland.

And I'm not questioning Canavan credentials, just this incident on its own, obviously was still a very good player.

Apologies Midlouth but the clip is there for everyone to see. When it's looked at and still incorrectly commented upon it beggars belief. Some people have him rolling around on the ground for ages. This has nothing to do with a player's credentials.

O'Neill, this is getting pedantic on all sides to be fair, but......
1. Whatever contact was made with Canavan's head was minimal.
2. Whatever contact was made, was made with the side of Canavan's head which can be seen clearly at 0.55 in the clip. He then goes down on the ground holding both hands on his face?
3. If you want to hit a guy a belt in the back, you hit him in the back..you don't lower your head to his side and barely glance off him. Canavan knew exactly what he was at and its quite embarassing to see it being made out to be otherwise.

I realise my opinion is no more non-partisan than yours as my county were involved, but this had no bearing whatsoever on the outcome. It was just an act of bad sportsmanship, borne out of sheer desperation to win at all costs, which is the frame of mind Tyrone were clearly in that day...which is pretty much the way any team with that much talent and no AI victory would be. It doesn't excuse it, but its fairly clearly the explanation to me anyway.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 13, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
You are nit-picking around the technicalities of Marsden incident in particular to discredit Brolly's analysis. Simple question "Did Jordan cheat to get Marsden the line?"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:20:37 PM
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?

Why would Tyrone want their best player, talisman, top scorer and captain off the field for 5 minutes at a time when they were blitzing Kerry at the start of the game?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
You are nit-picking around the technicalities of Marsden incident in particular to discredit Brolly's analysis. Simple question "Did Jordan cheat to get Marsden the line?"

I was correct to do so. Brolly said 'When Central Council reviewed the video footage a few weeks later they revoked the red card and cleared the Armagh man'. That infers that they saw video evidence to clear him. They did see video evidence and upheld the red card. It was later that it was rescinded on a technicality.

No, Jordan didn't cheat. Could he have gotten straight up after he fell - possibly - I don't know nor does anyone else but Phillip.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on May 13, 2012, 02:50:21 PM
Come on O'Neill you're better than this. This has really gone beyond nit picking. Anybody that's played will have had knocks and bumps through a game. It takes one hell of a box to ground a man and keep him grounded. To say that only Jordan knows if he could get back up is simply cringe-worthy. At the absolute worst he got 'pushed' in the face. It's gettin a bit farcical for me. Might call it a day at this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
Come on O'Neill you're better than this. This has really gone beyond nit picking. Anybody that's played will have had knocks and bumps through a game. It takes one hell of a box to ground a man and keep him grounded. To say that only Jordan knows if he could get back up is simply cringe-worthy. At the absolute worst he got 'pushed' in the face. It's gettin a bit farcical for me. Might call it a day at this.

A heavyweight boxer can get straight back up. What I mean is that only Jordan knows if he was hurt or not. If you got a box in the bake you'd probably stay grounded for a minute or so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 03:42:02 PM
It beggars belief that you think Canavan didn't dive or embellish the effects of what little contact did occur. That he dived and exaggerated the effects of the contact with a man that wasn't even aware he was 'dunting' him makes it all the more shameful. I don't know what brolly's agenda is nor do I care, as it's irrelevant. We will never eradicate this rubbish from the game as long as there are apologists like you spouting nonsense about 'contact', 'balance', 'ankle alignment' etc. The bottom-line is, if a man goes down or stays down unnecessarily then he should be called out. Christ it's hard to knock a grown man but some lads around here seem to think otherwise, did ye ever play the game at all?

Why would Tyrone want their best player, talisman, top scorer and captain off the field for 5 minutes at a time when they were blitzing Kerry at the start of the game?

Entirely irrelevant post. I don't know if he had a cut or not and it matters not a whit. The point is he dived and/or exaggerated the effect of the collision, blood or no blood. You, and one or two others, are defending this using barroom 'lawering', with statements like the above. It's pointless continuing this discussion as we have all watched the video and have made up our own minds. My problem is that there is anyone who can view that video and conclude anything other than a dive since this probably means diving will become more prevalent in our game and attempts to punish diving after the fact will flounder on appeals based on BS like 'contact', 'losing balance' etc. But obviously some are happy for the game to go that way.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2012, 03:59:14 PM
Of course it's relevant. You claim he dived and embellished the effect of little contact. If that was the case, he would not have been removed from the field for minutes to get bandaged up. Canavan has shipped some heavy treatment in the past and played on. Therefore, the contact was a lot more telling (unintentionally) that you realise.

Again, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 13, 2012, 04:37:28 PM
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Again, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.

No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.

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Of course it's relevant. You claim he dived and embellished the effect of little contact. If that was the case, he would not have been removed from the field for minutes to get bandaged up. Canavan has shipped some heavy treatment in the past and played on. Therefore, the contact was a lot more telling (unintentionally) that you realise.

Are you for real???? Once again you are using irrelevancies to defend the indefensible, what Peter endured in previous games has nothing to do with what he did in that game. And again you try to use barroom lawering by claiming the contact was so sever he had to leave the field. He left the field because he was, apparently, bleeding and therefore had to by rule, not because the injury was serious. He was sitting up shouting at the ref once he got tired of faking a facial injury so he clearly wasn't seriously hurt.

As I've said, we've all seen the clip and you have your view which it seems your happy to hold on to, therefore there is little more to be said. The incident itself was 9 years ago and didn't effect the outcome but I'm a little worried that the game I grew up with is going down a path that will lead to further embarrassing episodes like the one we're discussing if GAA men can view that clip and conclude anything other than diving.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 14, 2012, 12:21:06 AM
Brolly really is a tool. He should have left this article until the start of June and post a copy of it to the referee of the Armagh Tyrone game. Maybe then they would not get a free and Armagh would have a chance. ;D

Seriously though I think he is great entertainment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 14, 2012, 08:45:52 AM
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Again, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.

No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.

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And theres the problem. People like you jumping in identifying everything as a dive would be much more damaging for the game than not bringing in anything at all - every time anyone fell over they'd be banned for weeks. Teams wouldnt be able to field ffs. If its to be eradicated properly, we need to be able to identify dives, and that you've identified canavan as diving from that clip, i.e throwing himself to the ground unnecessarily, means you're not the man for the job. Anyone whos ever played the game should be able to read what happened there, and it didnt include a dive.

And quit your shite about 'gaa men' would see it as diving. What makes you the voice for 'gaa men?'  ;D. As for staying down, how would you determine whether someone stayed down too long? Given that your such a great 'gaa man', have you ever been tossed, fell over, tripped, in a game and not bounced straight back up?? Never been exhausted, no?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 14, 2012, 09:08:01 AM
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.

He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ThroughTheLaces on May 14, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
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Again, you're being a little dramatic about the future of the game based on comments made on here.

No I'm not, in the space of 10 years, diving has become far more prevalent and we now have fellas defending clear dives or exaggerated reactions to contact, the trend is clear.

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And theres the problem. People like you jumping in identifying everything as a dive would be much more damaging for the game than not bringing in anything at all - every time anyone fell over they'd be banned for weeks. Teams wouldnt be able to field ffs. If its to be eradicated properly, we need to be able to identify dives, and that you've identified canavan as diving from that clip, i.e throwing himself to the ground unnecessarily, means you're not the man for the job. Anyone whos ever played the game should be able to read what happened there, and it didnt include a dive.

And quit your shite about 'gaa men' would see it as diving. What makes you the voice for 'gaa men?'  ;D. As for staying down, how would you determine whether someone stayed down too long? Given that your such a great 'gaa man', have you ever been tossed, fell over, tripped, in a game and not bounced straight back up?? Never been exhausted, no?

Too exhausted yes, would have probably made it to the knees though.  Can't figure where I'd get the extra energy to hold my face and writhe about on the ground. In all honesty I think Zulu would speak for a larger section of the GAA than yourself or O'Neill. I have never seen such denial. Canavans incident may not have been a dive, as contact, albeit minimal, was made. He may have genuinely lost his balance (I don't believe so). But even if he did there is no excuse for his behaviour on the deck. Things like this, O'Mahony, etc are making this a part of our game. I've never personally had a manager that encouraged it but you can be sure there are a lot about.

Out of curiosity, I wonder how Canavan would have reacted to Paidi's classic box back in the day.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ballymac on May 14, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the Meath team that stood up and kicked their way to success, and not just kicking the ball over the bar. I remember a game against Mayo and the big basketballer they had getting sent off when 20 men were fighting, ref probably spotted him easier. A certain Coyle kicked and punched a player in front of a linesman (he nearly kicked him as well) and was not even booked, field fights and off the ball incidents. Is that what we want to go back to?

People say that Tyrone were divers etc, but another slant on it is that they played to their strengths ( or lack of them) by making sure they got their frees, they helped the ref make the decision. They played a faster more athletic game which other teams quickly caught on to. The game itself and the way it is refereed also moved in that direction. Meath style teams did not survive, the big physical player who threw his weight around had to develop to be a more agile player. There is still a physical element to the game but certainly not in the way it was in the 80's and 90's. The game is faster and with quick frees and sidelines, the order of the day is to avoid contact. Players tackle better now and it is a more technical game.

I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other. This needs to be eradicated from the game. If your team wins games and gets to finals and win all irelands then you will forgive them things.
 All teams play to their own strengths which produce different styles of football, look at Cork Dublin And Donegal. But the one thing that will have an influence on all styles is the way in which games are officiated. I read an article that Kildare had their homework done on the ref for the league final. They knew what his style was and what he would allow. If refs allow more physical contact in tackles etc it will influence how teams will play, the physical make up of players etc. A recent article about a certain Down player who is featuring more in the Down setup had to look at his own body shape and altered his training to get himself more athletic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.

What's your post for then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on May 14, 2012, 12:25:52 PM
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.

What's your post for then?

Did you miss it? He was having a go at Meath.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 12:37:08 PM
I am not defending any form of play acting whether from a Tyrone player or any other.

What's your post for then?

Did you miss it? He was having a go at Meath.

It's called penis envy in psychology circles.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 14, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.

He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.

Different Cavanagh. Different incident. Different decade.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 14, 2012, 02:26:33 PM
O'Neill your as blind as a bat, specsavers for you sur!!! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 14, 2012, 02:35:48 PM
Where's this slow motion replay of the Cavanagh incident which shows minimal contact? He has made that bit up.

He has not made that bit up in the slightest. The red card was rescinded after viewing said video. Still waiting for the Ulster Council to stick it on youtube. If the video showed same as I saw from the stand it was a disgusting act of playacting to get a man sent off. Probably best for Colm it's not ever made public to be honest.

Different Cavanagh. Different incident. Different decade.

Same family, same action, same result.
With the two boys up to the same thing and in the same article one can easily get confused  :)

Anyway, I don't care who does it or where they are from. It's sickening to watch and leaves a very bad taste. I hope Brolly and the rest are consistent in pointing this out over the summer, regardless of who is involved.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 03:29:03 PM
You would swear to f**k that no "simulation", dirty digs, winding opponents up, sneakiness or trying to take players out with crass tackles existed before 2003 looking here and elsewhere. Did Canavan exaggerate "that" incident in the 2003 All-Ireland semi final? I'd say he certainly made more of a meal of it that what actually happened and if you believe in karma, he got his come comeuppance not much later in the game.

Truth be told, there's two elements to what's being discussed here. First is Tyrone's mental attitude to the game - it was learned pretty well in the mid-90's that while you may get away with it at minor and U21 level, nice teams don't win Senior All-Ireland titles. Pretty much every team in the last 20 years that has lifted the Sam Maguire cup has had a darkish edge to their game. Some more pronounced than others. Even the "pure" footballing teams of Galway had Padraig Joyce regularly ripping the piss out of taking free kicks for scores by advancing up to 15-20 metres more advantageous - I remember this being very noticeable in the 2001 AI Semi Final against Derry. Tyrone having a "blanket defence" in 2003? Big deal! Armagh won the All-Ireland the previous year with the same tactic in play! Crowding men behind your 45 metre line? One thing I remember from this seemingly oft talked about Tyrone vs. Kerry 2003 game which hardly gets mentioned elsewhere is that during the second half a Tyrone shot on goal was cleared off the goal line. The player who cleared it? Declan O'Sullivan. That's right, Kerry's full forward. Most Tyrone players over the years prior to then and still since have put up with sly digs, slabbers marking them talking about their sisters and mothers etc. And while I much prefer to seen a good hard but fair game of football played with honesty from both teams, you simply don't get this at the highest level of the game. So Tyrone started being a bit more cynical, were fed up of being patronised and decided to start taking matters into their own hands. Knuckle dragging markers trying to put in anything from sly digs to attempting leg breaking tackles? Reverse their cuteness right back at them then watch them squeal that Tyrone "didn't allow us to play" with a tantrum that would shame the centre of attention on "My Super Sweet 16". Nice teams don't win big titles, and make sure to p***k a few egos along the way. Sure enough some so-called respected pundits tried being up in arms over all of it, and there were enough simpletons out there that swallowed any shite that is fed to them. But screw it, it was much better than being a continuously patronised loser. And at least when Tyrone made championship exits, their county chairperson doesn't call for rule changes!

Part Two. Some posters will notice that I've mentioned this several times over the years on this board. Those with decent memories may remember that the first round Ulster SFC championship game in 2003 between Tyrone and L/Derry ended in a draw with Tyrone a little fortunate to get the replay. Back to the RTÉ studio and Brolly talking stuff out of his well stretched anus about how crap this Tyrone team was and that they will not win an All-Ireland for a long time to come, with what disturbingly looked like him cumming in this trousers in the process. Fast forward to the replay. Just before the Tyrone team bus pulls into Casement Park, a video is played on the coach's TV screen of Brolly's post-match comments from the first game. The replay turns out to have Tyrone metaphorically knock six shades of shit out of L/Derry. Funnily enough after this game Brolly starts massively toning down his anti-Tyrone orgasm. Coincidence? Subsequently he starts gradually pimping up this Tyrone side, possibly in an attempt at reverse psychology, but few in Tyrone care about him singing sweet praises about them. End result is that Brolly's venom is neutralised and instead starts winding up the Mexicans which at this point does a good job of keeping the media spotlight on himself.

It may not be nice at times, but Tyrone have nothing to apologise for. Most other counties trying to break their Sam Maguire virginity (or who have been long term celibate) and then ride the heck out of hit would have little to regret if they did the same.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 14, 2012, 04:32:42 PM
Anger management, the F man!

Hey dont worry the Tyrone legacy is not under threat, just every idiot that follows Gaelic games has seen the fun Spillane has had in influencing the populace since 03 and wants a go at it.  As a wise man once said 1 million lemmings walking over a cliff cant be wrong...   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 04:48:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on May 14, 2012, 04:59:19 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.

 ;D It's a bad sign when you can't reach the end of a post without contradicting yourself. That's before you come out with the rest of the crap in the post as well. Feck me your even having a go at Tyrone's social activities. As Fionn said a bit back, Haters got to hate.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 14, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
Tyrone are the Apple of Gaelic football. They didn't invent any of the things they're noted for. They just popularised them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on May 14, 2012, 05:07:15 PM
Tyrone are the Apple of Gaelic football. They didn't invent any of the things they're noted for. They just popularised them.

Aye if your in your teens.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .

To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .

To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.

I think you're being harsh there olg. Yes we had a few lads who were keen to goad opposition players to get them sent off but very few who would have exaggerated or taken a dive. The only one I can think of would be Johnny McGurk who would have made a meal of things but never any really bad incidents (other than at club level).
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
The goading of Peter Canavan in the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final for a start that led to his sending off, along with Tohill punching McAnallen in the earlier Ulster Championship game and getting away with it.

If I were you I'd be more worried by the fact that Draperstown is now becoming half full of Tyrone natives, alongside the other half turning into xenophobic rednecks.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 05:33:16 PM
The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason.
That's not the worst of labels I've heard. Wouldn't be a bad idea for us to make all the women in south L/Derry wear Burqas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 05:46:28 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .
The goading of Peter Canavan in the 2001 All-Ireland Quarter Final for a start that led to his sending off, along with Tohill punching McAnallen in the earlier Ulster Championship game and getting away with it.

If I were you I'd be more worried by the fact that Draperstown is now becoming half full of Tyrone natives, alongside the other half turning into xenophobic rednecks.

Bummer,

You are moving the goalposts somewhat if your starting to include goading, the topic here is diving is it not? Poor aul Peter was well fit for the goading, he preferred to get his retaliation in first on most occassions, and not with taunting either. Jesus if your including one player punching another we will be here from now till Fermanagh win an Ulster Championship, although he didnt punch him either.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Bummer,

You are moving the goalposts somewhat if your starting to include goading, the topic here is diving is it not? Poor aul Peter was well fit for the goading, he preferred to get his retaliation in first on most occassions, and not with taunting either. Jesus if your including one player punching another we will be here from now till Fermanagh win an Ulster Championship, although he didnt punch him either.
I'm not moving any goalposts. I've already said earlier that goading along with dirty digs and diving/simulation are cancers of the game and I'd rather not see them. But if yer going to see your opponents play dirty, you lose nothing taking them on at their own game.Slap it up them I only wish Fintona were the same to some extent, we're too nice of a team - our more notable "physical" players over the years more often than not have been inward transfers.
As for Fermanagh winning an Ulster Championship, they will probably do it before L/Derry win their next one. And it'll be nice yet annoying (if only to hear the waterboys crow about it) at the same time if it's Canavan that leads them to taking home the Anglo-Celt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on May 14, 2012, 06:06:05 PM
Great to see PTG create such debate even 7 years after he retired from County football.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
Bummer
By the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:08:02 PM
Great to see PTG create such debate even 7 years after he retired from County football.  ;D ;D
http://youtu.be/e9Kcg_8gK30
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here. If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!

I'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?

Also is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here! And you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!

Good to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
Bummer
By the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?

Bummer,

Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here.
Nope. We were talking about Joe Brolly.

If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!
A bit harsh slagging off your own players!

I'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?
It was half Tyronies, half xenophobic rednecks, but hey. Tirruadh is full of Tyrone exiles these days, I was up around the place a couple of days before the NFL2 final between Tyrone & Kildare and the amount of Tyrone flags out were ridiculous! As for the natives being xenophobic rednecks... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321)

Also is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here!
Hmmm...
If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!
You couldn't pwn yourself easier if you were Tony Fearon!

And you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!
No need! Dirty and unsportsmanlike conduct are my pet hates, which includes - but not limited to - feigning injury or simulation. It's not me being a la carte about playing conduct in the GAA.

Good to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...
As opposed to the siege mentality that exists among clubs in much of south L/Derry? Pretty legendary across Ireland, only Kerry and Laois club hurling comes close.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
Bummer
By the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?

Bummer,

Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.

Quote
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.

Now I know there are some rough elements to parts of these towns on Saturday nights that I'd avoid (though there's c***ts like that in every town with a bit of nightlife beyond a pub, I know from being out in/working at a nightclub in Enniskillen) but these are pretty much restricted to venues that attract sixth formers, young apprentices and some university students - the more "mature" venues don't tend to be plagued as such bar the odd occasion. At least in Omagh anyway. So the only conclusion I can make is that you like to be chasing anything that on Monday to Fridays is in a pleated skirt. Now I don't know about you but I consider myself a bit old for that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2012, 06:50:02 PM
Ah now Fintona we are clearly talking about diving here.
Nope. We were talking about Joe Brolly.

If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!
A bit harsh slagging off your own players!

I'm not really getting the Draperstown half full of Tyrone rednecks reference? Would you care to expand on this?
It was half Tyronies, half xenophobic rednecks, but hey. Tirruadh is full of Tyrone exiles these days, I was up around the place a couple of days before the NFL2 final between Tyrone & Kildare and the amount of Tyrone flags out were ridiculous! As for the natives being xenophobic rednecks... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15021321)

Also is there any particular reason for the name calling/slagging of where we're from? We are trying to have a civilized debate here!
Hmmm...
If you want to get into goading opposition players there are a few of the 2003  inbreds who could write a book on it!
You couldn't pwn yourself easier if you were Tony Fearon!

And you still haven't given me any examples of Derry players feigning injury or diving!!!!
No need! Dirty and unsportsmanlike conduct are my pet hates, which includes - but not limited to - feigning injury or simulation. It's not me being a la carte about playing conduct in the GAA.

Good to see the old Tyrone siege mentality alive and well ...
As opposed to the siege mentality that exists among clubs in much of south L/Derry? Pretty legendary across Ireland, only Kerry and Laois club hurling comes close.

So with regard to my very simple and easily worded question you have no examples and have engaged in whataboutery in order to score some cheap points . . . fair enough I suppose I should have understood the level I was dealing with before I asked.

PS. Tirruadh isn't in Draperstown ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 07:00:03 PM
So with regard to my very simple and easily worded question you have no examples and have engaged in whataboutery in order to score some cheap points . . . fair enough I suppose I should have understood the level I was dealing with before I asked.
Ah, "whataboutery", the defence of the idiot whom when confronted with a critique of their own actions tries to find an excuse but fails. Are you related to Joey Barton by any chance?

PS. Tirruadh isn't in Draperstown ;)
That's not what the folk in Straw told me!  ;D

By the way, an aunt of mine was doing some shopping in Draperstown last month with her children and was abruptly stopped in the street close to the Vivo Extra store by two burly men demanding to know if she was Polish. At the rate these things are going, that village will be having its own Stormfront chapter by the end of this year.

I have to say that a brilliant job has been done by the Tyrone senior team over the past decade in putting some civilised manners on the primitive L/Derry hoards - mind you, it's just all two dozen of them - that attend Intercounty games who have ensured that in reminding some people that when there's no London in Tyrone, the retort of "No Sams either" has been lost to the annals of time and with that happening, the bitterness coming from our northern neighbours is more noticeable than an overflowing barrel of crushed lemons :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 07:14:44 PM
I've heard it all now, someone from Fintona calling other people rednecks. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 07:43:21 PM
I've heard it all now, someone from Fintona calling other people rednecks. ;D ;D
Plenty of things that can be negatively associated with Fintona, but I've never seen the natives conduct redneck activity like stopping people to ask where they're from nor the off-licences in the village putting up notices demanding that foreigners must produce ID. Bigotry in general is quite low and cross-community relations are pretty good compared to many other parts of the north. Heck, even the boy racers that often anger more peaceful residents by motoring up and down Main Street at 2 in the morning often be a mix of Taigs and Prods!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on May 14, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
The L/Derry inferiority complex has reached epidemic levels. :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 14, 2012, 08:57:42 PM
The L/Derry inferiority complex has reached epidemic levels. :D

How do you work that out?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: oakleafgael on May 14, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
Bummer
By the way, if you're going to use that name, then you are at least in your thirties or very close to it. So it begs the question of what are you doing going to nightclubs in Cookstown, Omagh or Strabane? Still trying to bag 17 year old O'Neill pussy?

Bummer,

Not like you to slip so badly, read back a few posts and send on your apologies.

Quote
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.

Now I know there are some rough elements to parts of these towns on Saturday nights that I'd avoid (though there's c***ts like that in every town with a bit of nightlife beyond a pub, I know from being out in/working at a nightclub in Enniskillen) but these are pretty much restricted to venues that attract sixth formers, young apprentices and some university students - the more "mature" venues don't tend to be plagued as such bar the odd occasion. At least in Omagh anyway. So the only conclusion I can make is that you like to be chasing anything that on Monday to Fridays is in a pleated skirt. Now I don't know about you but I consider myself a bit old for that.

Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 14, 2012, 10:32:50 PM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 10:58:36 PM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 14, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Jayzus, stop typing the word 'pussy'..what age are ye?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 14, 2012, 11:57:58 PM
Jayzus, stop typing the word 'pussy'..what age are ye?
OK, how about "flange" instead?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 15, 2012, 07:59:34 AM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!

Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on May 15, 2012, 08:59:44 AM
Bummer,

You may look a bit more closely. the text you quoted was nothing to do with me. Im a bit like your self and far to long in the tooth to be chasing skirt as you so eloquently put it.
Being the civilised and fair person that I am, I now realise that the claim was wrongly attributed to yourself whereas it was ktf93 who was talking about it so I withdraw the accusation made against you and apologise. So as a result what is keepthefaith93 doing chasing 17 year old pussy in Tyrone?

He's not the one who had an avatar of Josef Fritzl though.
Oh, you noticed? Yeah, pretty bad man who had a very depraved way in dealing with troublesome teens. Doesn't mean I endorse what he did!

Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.

If Josef Fritzl was from Tyrone he wouldn't be as quick to admit that he is "pretty bad".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 15, 2012, 10:36:56 AM
Bit in bold is uncannily appropriate for Tyrone followers. But then you know that already.
Oooh I'm curious! Tell us more Helen Lovejoy...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 15, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
If Josef Fritzl was from Tyrone he wouldn't be as quick to admit that he is "pretty bad".
And if Fritzl was from L/Derry you lot wouldn't think he was a bit of an arsehole because at least he applied his masculine dominance and didn't kill his daughter, eh?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 15, 2012, 10:46:01 AM
Jaysus, I skipped a few pages and it went from Canavan's Swan Lake to Josef Fritzel? Bizarre twist even for GAABOARD. :)

Anyhow, it was a dive :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 15, 2012, 10:49:29 AM
Jaysus, I skipped a few pages and it went from Canavan's Swan Lake to Josef Fritzel? Bizarre twist even for GAABOARD. :)

Anyhow, it was a dive :)
Ah Jaysus AZ I thought I was doing a good job!  :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 15, 2012, 10:50:54 AM
Joe Brolly to Joe Fritzl - it's a bit of a leap, but it does give me an idea about how to get rid of the RTÉ Nualas.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 15, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
When I was young and learning to play the game I was told that you should never show the opposition any sign of weakness, that when you where hurt jump up and let on your fine, I think most people will agree that this in the main this was the way things used to be.
You probably always had the odd boy on teams buying free's etc, but I honestly don't know how some of these boys watch themselves on the Sunday game with some of the antics that they get up to, seriously like have they know shame?
Did Tyrone bring cheating into modern football? I don't know, but they certainly took it to a new level and the sad thing about is they where a class team that had no need to be so low.
The funny thing about Tyrone having more divers than most of the other counties in Ireland put together is that if yo go to Cookstown/Omagh/Strabane for a night out you are taking your life into your own hands as they are roughest crowd of hallions you could ever have the misfortune to come across and love nothing more than fighting ( this includes men and women ), yet when they take to the pitch they can be knocked over by a gust of wind. Doesn't make sense.
No cheating in football before 2003.  ::)
Especially from those L/Derry b'tards.

Do you care to back this up with any evidence? We already have 4 high profile incidents involving Tyrone talked about in this thread already . . .

To the Derry wans on this thread, youse are letting youself down a bit. Derry have had a few over the years who liked to "make the most" of physical contact. That said the Tyronies took it to a different level altogether and its a waste of time trying to reason with their supporters. The aul fella calls them the taliban for a reason. We appear to have skipped the worst incident of the lot and that was Dooher against Westmeath in Omagh, I couldnt believe he conned the ref with it.

That was well debated at the time but I wouldn't call it the "worst incident of the lot" by a long stretch. There was technically a strike even if Dooher did make a holy meal of it. Canavan's there is far worse. Don't agree with Brolly either that hurling is sacrosanct from diving, a John Gardiner incident from a couple of years ago readily springs to mind.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ulick on October 05, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
Donated a kidney today. Fair play.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on October 05, 2012, 07:46:26 PM
100% right Ulick. Will always regard him in a very high regard now no matter what he says or does. Not too many prepared to make a sacrifice like that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 05, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
That is an amazing piece of altruism. I expected to read it was a family member, but it was a clubmate. I'll see Joe in a new light now.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maddog on October 05, 2012, 08:22:25 PM
That is an amazing piece of altruism. I expected to read it was a family member, but it was a clubmate. I'll see Joe in a new light now.

Well done Joe, an incredibly selfless act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maguire01 on October 05, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
Fair play Joe!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Hoor would do anything for attention.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Nice touch by him all right, fair dues to him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on October 05, 2012, 08:54:32 PM
Hoor would do anything for attention.

oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hope that was in jest
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on October 05, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
Hoor would do anything for attention.

oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hope that was in jest

I don't think it was. Shameful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on October 05, 2012, 09:06:03 PM
An absolute hero. Okay, one part of his life is putting across his views on a game on national tv, naturally hes going to court controversy, but look at the all round picture; one of the most successful barristers in Ireland, a great county player, a superb club player with incredible longevity (played til 42 I think?), fully involved in the club as a coach, always willing to support any event hes asked to, great family man, I could go on, but theres enough there to call him an example to everyone. The only problem is, its very hard to look at this objectively whenever you're within earshot of him  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cadence on October 05, 2012, 09:27:47 PM
what a star.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens abu on October 05, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
Fair play that is some selfless act,few of us would do that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 05, 2012, 09:45:06 PM
One hell of a gesture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on October 05, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
Fair play to him. How many of us can honestly say we would do the same?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2012, 10:18:57 PM
Fair play to him. How many of us can honestly say we would do the same?
Depends if they were a United supporter or not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on October 05, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
Steady on, he's only giving away one.

Fair play indeed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 05, 2012, 10:29:58 PM
A great gesture all right. As EU says, there are few of us would do it.

But now he'll be slumped over worse than ever on TSG :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
Holy fcuk he must be a good friend!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on October 05, 2012, 11:17:59 PM
Maybe Spillane can donate a couple of inches off his flute to the bould Marty Morrissey  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on October 05, 2012, 11:41:12 PM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2012, 11:45:06 PM
Fair play that is some selfless act,few of us would do that.
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on October 06, 2012, 02:40:40 AM
Great deed ... not a lot else to be said. My estimation of the man has risen greatly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Muchachos on October 06, 2012, 04:23:08 AM
Fair play to him. Might not allways agree with him but that's a hell of an act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on October 06, 2012, 05:31:50 AM
Well done Joe. I've always liked him as an analyst too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebuzz on October 06, 2012, 08:35:42 AM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.

Fair play Moysider. I just got the paper there and the first thing I thought of was 'What will the Mayos think of that?'.
If I had to do it for my son I'd be scared shitless and he has done it for someone he isn't even related to.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on October 06, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: give her dixie on October 06, 2012, 09:05:05 AM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Great story Bannside, and I hope both men make a full recovery and live life to the full.

What Joe has done is one of the most selfless acts any person could do for another. As the saying goes, to save the life of one man is to save all of humanity.

Full respect to Joe, and no doubt he will inspire others to take the same leap in the future.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2012, 09:45:44 AM
'Brolly giving kidney, Brolly giving life'!  An amazing story and could not be underestimated how much this will mean to so many people.  Joe is a bigger man than many people could even imagine and I wish him and the young Finnegan lad the best in their recovery.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 06, 2012, 09:53:07 AM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.

+1 Moysider .  This man has made my blood boil so much so much over the past few years , jesus i don't think i have had a good word to say about the man,  however what can you say  when you read what he has done . Inspirational . I'm trying to imagine would i be able to do what Joe has just done and truth be told  i don't think I'd be brave enough .   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: stephenite on October 06, 2012, 09:56:00 AM
A wonderful gesture by Joe, shows the quality of the man as a human being.

I reserve the right to question his qualities as a Gaelic football analyst, as they are very separate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Never beat the deeler on October 06, 2012, 10:10:11 AM

Can t believe some are taking this lightly. Don t think this is an opportunity to be funny.

A few days ago I wanted to break his mouth - now I m almost in tears at what he s done. This is not a gesture. It is something most people would only do for family. And even then many could not. Sincerely hope it is successful for the recipient.

And I ll think twice about clobbering Joe when I see him.

+1 Moysider .  This man has made my blood boil so much so much over the past few years , jesus i don't think i have had a good word to say about the man,  however what can you say  when you read what he has done . Inspirational . I'm trying to imagine would i be able to do what Joe has just done and truth be told  i don't think I'd be brave enough .

Aye, you have to hand it to the fecker, wouldnt have agreed with much of what he has said (or mostly the way he has gone about it) but this has made that pale into insignificance.

Well done Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
That's just brilliant. Fair play to him. Of course he is still going to annoy the shite out of me on TSG, as he obviously sets out to do, but really who cares about that stuff in the long run?

The long run is what sort of a man you are when you shut the door behind you at home, and Brolly is obviously someone you can rely on as friend and as a human being.

Well done Joe, and best wishes to the Finnegan lad.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Rois on October 06, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
Wow.

Selfless act and underlines the goodness in human nature.
 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on October 06, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
Fair play Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on October 06, 2012, 10:59:41 AM
Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.


Brolly spent a lifetime taking the piss out of people on TV. Now he's taken it to a new level.

Before anyone starts, it's a joyous occasion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on October 06, 2012, 11:04:46 AM
Joe yer a crazy hoor !!

While Joe is a good bit mischevious in his media forays, there are always at least two perspectives to everything and Joe just gives his.

What Joe has done here is humbling. He has shown true courage and loyalty - two words that are the ultimate mantra and ethos in the Dungiven plateau region!

Blow Joe , yer a credit to yer family, friends, clubs, Dungiven, County, Ireland and in my opinion - the GAA and all that is great about our association as if not for the football club link, young Finnegan might still be waiting - instead he found a friend and donor.

Fair play Joe- speedy recovery so you can get back to Mayobashing asap !! ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Glensman on October 06, 2012, 11:07:33 AM
An absolute hero. Okay, one part of his life is putting across his views on a game on national tv, naturally hes going to court controversy, but look at the all round picture; one of the most successful barristers in Ireland, a great county player, a superb club player with incredible longevity (played til 42 I think?), fully involved in the club as a coach, always willing to support any event hes asked to, great family man, I could go on, but theres enough there to call him an example to everyone. The only problem is, its very hard to look at this objectively whenever you're within earshot of him  ;D

+1 on all fronts. Fair play Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: southdown on October 06, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19854325
Nice picture here
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gold on October 06, 2012, 12:07:21 PM
Unreal. Many wouldnt do that, dont know if i could.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
Fair play to him, as Gold said I dont know if I could.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on October 06, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
Fair play to Brolly - a selfless act and a huge personal sacrifice.
It doesn't change my opinion of him as a disgrace of a "football analyst" in any way though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Nally Stand on October 06, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
Fair play to Brolly - a selfless act and a huge personal sacrifice.
Couldn't agree more

It doesn't change my opinion of him as a disgrace of a "football analyst" in any way though.
Couldn't disagree more
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 06, 2012, 01:07:11 PM
Ah here, Joe's been chatting shite for 20 years, his kidney's get a handy enough time of it.

In fairness though a sound gesture, what are the odds of getting a donor compatible from outside your family? Anybody know?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 06, 2012, 01:39:05 PM
fair play to him, not many would do that! and i be a fair critic of him at times in a football sense.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: FL/MAYO on October 06, 2012, 02:05:52 PM
A selfless act by Brolly, he has set a great example for us all. I hope he returns to his old WUM days soon so that I can start ignoring the fecker again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 06, 2012, 02:14:24 PM
What a fantastic thing to do for a friend. I take my hat off to Joe for this. While many of us may disagree with some of his opinions, he also makes many brave and good calls and is never afraid to swim against the tide. What an example of single-mindedness and courage. His actions should encourage all of us to think about donating blood and consider others less fortunate. No matter what else he does in life he will always be known as Joe the Organ Donor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Went to primary school with Shane, Bannside, his mum was the Vice Principle (Ma Finnegan) at St Finnian's on the lower Falls, decent fella and I haven't seen him since he stop playing christ over 22 years now, getting old.

Anyways fair play to Joe and no better recipient than Shane, I can still see him coming to school everyday in his shorts!! Kids wearing shorts on the Falls during the seventies was unheard off  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on October 06, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Can't say good enough about this gesture, I and a large proportion of people couldn't do it. Well done Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 06, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
Now that's putting your money where your mouth is, good man Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 06, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Only one word properly describes this act of selflessness - heroic. Joe truly is one of life's gentlemen.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ha ha derry on October 06, 2012, 05:21:16 PM
One of the GAA 's finest. Good man Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 06, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
Ronan Rocks ‏@RonanRocks1
"Just got a txt from Joe Brolley, he said..Not many Antrim men runnin round with a bit of an All-Ireland winner in him! #totallegend #wataman"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnpower on October 06, 2012, 08:53:56 PM
Great gesture well done Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: skeog on October 06, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
only joe could think about that quote met him early this year told me donegal would win all ireland if they tweaked their system of playing how right he was but i did not believe him how right he was in his analyis
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on October 06, 2012, 09:04:59 PM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Lets not forget that Joe is self employed. If a barrister is not in court he is not earning money, not as big a sacrifice as giving one of his kidneys, but giving up 2 months earnings on top of it adds a bit to Joes sacrifice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: trileacman on October 06, 2012, 10:26:04 PM
I know the whole story here lads but from the other way round. Shane Finnegan, the reciever is a close relation, and the extent, dedication and absolute committment to making this work from Joe Brollys end was unbelievable.

Shane Finnegan was a county minor for Antrim 22 years ago and picked up a kidney injury that year and has not played since. His two brothers Greg and Donagh played for St Pauls and Antrim for many years, and Shane was destined for great things too.

The efforts Shane has gone to to get donors, and then get a correct blood match (which was the very hard bit) was a long heartbreaking journey. The physical and mental torture involvedcannot be properly explained. Shane couldnt pass urine. He peed for the first time in many years yesterday.

I wont spoil the story which hopefully will appear in the media once the two guys get out of hospital. The great news is the operation looks to have been a real success. Joe has taken two months off work to make this happen, and was the driver all along since he first heard about Shanes condition.

Will always hold him in high esteem after this. Delighted for Shane as well - his life can get back to normality again.

Lets not forget that Joe is self employed. If a barrister is not in court he is not earning money, not as big a sacrifice as giving one of his kidneys, but giving up 2 months earnings on top of it adds a bit to Joes sacrifice.

That said, losing 2 months wages pales in significance when compared to losing a kidney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: crossfire on October 06, 2012, 10:29:15 PM
Fair play to you Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 06, 2012, 11:11:52 PM
As a pundit he is someone who could be shot with a ball of his own shite over and over again.

As an everyday person though there's not many other acts of selflessness you can do at least if you're not dead from doing so. A brilliant gesture.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2012, 12:36:06 AM
It is some gesture alright as there is the obvious risk of the donor developing kidney issues in later life and not having a ready standby. Big balls.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on October 07, 2012, 12:43:02 AM
As a pundit he is someone who could be shot with a ball of his own shite over and over again.

As an everyday person though there's not many other acts of selflessness you can do at least if you're not dead from doing so. A brilliant gesture.

Agree with your summation of his punditry, and yes, fairs dues, it was a very decent deed.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: balladmaker on October 07, 2012, 12:56:09 AM
Unbelievable gesture by anyone's standards, takes a very special person to choose to donate one of their organs, not too many would have the bottle to do what Joe has done in this situation ... unreal is an understatement!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Pangurban on October 07, 2012, 02:50:34 AM
A genuine candidate for Irishman of the year
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: wherefromreferee? on October 07, 2012, 12:25:39 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213997/Cousin-I-save-inspired-Joe-Brolly-reveals-personal-tragedy-weeks-selfless-sacrifice-brainer.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

If the link doesnt work, I'll cut & paste.

Some man for one man.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 07, 2012, 06:24:18 PM
It's an absolutely brilliant story and it would do your heart good to think that there are decent skins like that out there in the world.

I think it's also important to praise his wife and brothers who were also willing to donate, but I suppose the fact that Joe was a relative stranger makes it even more fantastic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 07, 2012, 06:38:52 PM
'the taj mahal of kidneys' ;D

quality. great story. well played joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2012, 08:19:30 PM
I've always liked Joes look on the game, he's not a man that sits on the fence and he purposely winds people up, far better than any of the other boys
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lawnseed on October 07, 2012, 08:24:19 PM
i've met joe a couple of times and had a drink with him before the aif in 2002 when he was on his way to rte. hes a great man for a bit of craic. this kidney donation shows him in a completely different light. this is a very brave act hard enough for someone whos related to you never mind anyone else. very manly, a true friend. he'll be full of craic about this and make light of it, but its a great thing to do.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on October 07, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
I like Brolly. Years ago we were sitting outside Cutter's Wharf on a lovely summers evening. Mate of mine from Tyrone came back from the bar with a round and said out loud.."that wee wnaker Joe Brolly's in there. I'm gonna fcuk him into the Lagan." Next thing Brolly arrives out with a tray full of drink for 3 or 4 women companions at the next table to us who had obviously heard what our Tyrone friend said. They made a point of telling him that he had a fan at the next table. He came over and had the banter and was great crack all night. Sound bloke.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Orior on October 07, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Fair play to Joe Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Windmill abu on October 08, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
Quote
What Joe has done is one of the most selfless acts any person could do for another. As the saying goes, to save the life of one man is to save all of humanity.

What Joe has done makes us all proud to be part of the GAA community



That his mother comes from Tyrone makes us even prouder and explains the altruism
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on October 08, 2012, 10:10:25 AM
I've often planned to have him wake up in a bath of ice with 2 kidney sized holes either side of his belly, but the fact that he did it of his own volition to a cousin he hardly knows shows great generousity, especially when you consider that on average, donating a kidney removes 10 years off your life.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on October 08, 2012, 10:20:08 AM
I've always admired Joe. Always liked his style. Always thought he had a great mind and was brilliant at his getting his point across.

But to volunteer to donate a kidney to a friend who was unrelated apart from a love of football is just mindblowing.

What can you say about such a selfless act ?


Joe talks a lot on tv and he can talk.

He was able to walk the walk as well but this takes him to a different level.

It's hard to find words for this.


Well done Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on October 08, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
He is a GS of the highest order on the tv, always cutting across the other pundits and dragging out his points. Fair play for him for donating a kidney a selfless act.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Louth Exile on October 08, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
Fair Play to you Joe
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Heaven on October 08, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
Know Shane is a proud Antrim man and I'm sure he is delighted to have an All Ireland winning Kidney in him. Its impossible to describe the gesture by Joe Brolly. What he has done is given Shane & his wife, children, Family & Friends a large part of his life back. 3 days a week for the last 4 years he would have to leave work at 5pm, go the Royal for 7.30 and have 3-4 hrs Dialysis treatment.

Fair Play Mr Brolly - I hope everything works out for all concerned.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
Brolly gave up his kidney and two months work? W.O.W.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Feckitt on October 08, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
Brolly gave up his kidney and two months work? W.O.W.

Instant Karma is gonna get you!!!  Generosity will repay itself tenfold.  If you give you will recieve.  Fortune favours the brave.

Most of these oul sayings are still around because they are true.  Well Done Joe, se mo laoch.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on October 08, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Fair play to him
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on October 08, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
 8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thebuzz on October 08, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.

As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on October 08, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.

As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)

He takes cheap digs at amateur players and puts the boot in when they're down. There's nothing clever about that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 08, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
Great gesture by Joe the person, but Joe the pundit is still a world class w@nker IMHO. Deliberatlely trying to influence the ref the lead up to the AIF with his 28 yellow card comments-absolutely fvcking disgrace
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 08, 2012, 08:50:46 PM
Great gesture by Joe the person, but Joe the pundit is still a world class w@nker IMHO. Deliberatlely trying to influence the ref the lead up to the AIF with his 28 yellow card comments-absolutely fvcking disgrace

You what now??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on October 08, 2012, 08:59:45 PM
8)unbelievable gesture by Brolly. He is a love hate figure and is a born entertainer. I can see how he upsets people but too many people takes his comments way too serious.

As a Derry man I could never dislike Joe. I can see how he winds people up as well but the bit in bold is very true :)

He takes cheap digs at amateur players and puts the boot in when they're down. There's nothing clever about that.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 08, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
What an absolute legend of a man. Always admired him and will now admire him even more.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on October 08, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
Yeah, sure I have always liked Brolly :-X

I hope Joe's post op recovery is complete and will be able to dander along nobly to an old age with his single kidney.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on October 09, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
regardless of his many day jobs, Joe Brolly has proven his humanity/christianity/selflessness by this amazing act...

the support for the McGirr Family and the Spirit of Paul McGirr...again with Cormac McAnallen and the Cormac Trust and the Campa Chormaic. The Micheala Foundation. The fundraising for the Fermanagh man (whose name excapes me) in San Francisco. Carde Catherine. And all the others who garner support from within...

Having someone like Brolly, from within our code committing to that act of pure kindness - all of the above...makes me proud to be a Gael.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wild Guess on October 09, 2012, 08:32:18 PM
You just wouldnt want to get on the end of Brollys tongue.  He writes brilliantly but when hes on the form he takes everyone out.  You could see more teams boycotting interviews over stuff like this.

Brolly is a jerk

I'm with you NBA ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 02:05:42 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: North Man on October 10, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
With the profile Joe has and is building upon, i could easily see him take over from Michael D in 6 years
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 10, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 10, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
A lot of people seem to be asking the question is he a good guy or a bad guy.
I think if we're honest he's like most of us he's both. Obviously what he did here was a massive gesture and from what I read he's obviously done a lot of other good things as well.

I think his heart in the right place but to me his personality is the problem. He shoots from the hip too often and doesn't care who he hurts or what he says. He's obviously an  intelligent guy and you need to be to be a good barrister which I believe he is. He is able to think very fast on his feet but in my eyes is over confident and won't let others have their opinion or at least not respect their opinion.
When Tyrone were winning matches back from 03-08 I was a huge fan as he talked us up all the time and often spoke the truth to Spillane and Co who seem to hate anything Ulster.
However, in the cold light of day his craving to be the centre of attention at every event and always need to be funniest and can never take a back seat. I actually cringe now when he is on cos all the RTE guys now seem to love to hate him and he is quite rude to them as won't let them speak.
I wonder what he thinks when he watches himself of the Sunday game or is he too full of himself to do that.

I always laugh when I think of the time he was live on the phone on Newstalk and near the end of the interview he says " I have to go here, these weans are going mad".

So whilst he is a bit of a bollix to chat to imho, he also seems to have a heart of gold.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on October 10, 2012, 04:43:33 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.

Nonsense!! He let Mayo away with murder. After the 2 goals Mayo consistently hit 3rd man tackles all over the pitch and were basically let away with it.

Brolly most definitely had a point in what he said but maybe he should have highlighted the fact that Donegal are no strangers to a bit of gamesmanship themselves!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JimStynes on October 10, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
Has anybody got the article that paddy heaney done on joe brolly the other day?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on October 10, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
Exactly screenexile. Last year and earlier this year Brolly was laying into Donegal for their unsavoury side and their gamesmanship but like he did with Tyrone back in the noughties he picks who he thinks is gonna win and sticks his colours to their mast.
I bet you now he'll be praising Donegal for the next few years until the next best thing comes along.

Does anyone know how the other pundits get on with him?
It must be tough on his kids going to matches with him nowadays.
That story he told in the Gaelic Life where his young lad was a bit scared from the Cork fans, sums the man up to me. He's more worried about his own ego than other things around him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Canalman on October 10, 2012, 05:26:29 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bennydorano on October 10, 2012, 05:33:35 PM
Not to mention that it's incredibly insulting to any Referee worth his  salt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 10, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
Exactly screenexile. Last year and earlier this year Brolly was laying into Donegal for their unsavoury side and their gamesmanship but like he did with Tyrone back in the noughties he picks who he thinks is gonna win and sticks his colours to their mast.
I bet you now he'll be praising Donegal for the next few years until the next best thing comes along.

Does anyone know how the other pundits get on with him?
It must be tough on his kids going to matches with him nowadays.
That story he told in the Gaelic Life where his young lad was a bit scared from the Cork fans, sums the man up to me. He's more worried about his own ego than other things around him.

Are you serious man?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Armamike on October 10, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.

You don't know that for sure.  We can all find examples of that or pick out statements by the pundits to suit our cause. Back in 2003 Armagh and Francie Bellew got villified that whole summer (not just in the run up to one match) by the likes of Colm O'Rourke and Spillane for being over physical.  Did that register with referees? Who knows. But what's the point in speculating or bemoaning it. Ultimately Mayo didn't win the AI this year because of a lack of a target man or two in the forwards. Not because of Joe Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on October 10, 2012, 09:44:07 PM
some people seem to miss the point with Brolly.
I know him - not well enough to shitetalk about him and name drop like every columnist was doing at the start of the week in the irish news - from heany, tierney and even in the bsuiness section with mcerlane

they all had a story to tell about joe. Joe the footballer. Joe the barrister. Joe the pundit. Joe the father. Joe the friend. Joe the donor.

And that is the point - brolly is pretty good at everything he does.

As a pundit, i think he is a ****. changing his mind like the weather. talking shite to wind people up, adn you knwo what it is his job to do that. if he was safe, hed not be on tv.

he is a sublime barrister - i know this from fact.
his credentials as a father are none of my business, but he has 5 kids and id say they have every chance of being brought up 100%

he is basically good at everything he does - a quick look in the mirror for most of us, should ask some serious self refelctive questions, if we cannot acknowledge that his act of selflessness, with thon kidney, is just f**king unbelievable.

I still think that as a pundit he is a jibbering bollox - but i still watch him on TV.

As an aside, Im suprised that spillane hasnt tried to out do brolly by giving away 2 kidneys...

keep on trucking joe, ye f**king slabber
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.


In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 11, 2012, 08:21:57 PM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.


In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was

+1 (Nail on the head)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 11, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
Quit f**king moaning lads. More time spend on the field and less complaining about Brolly is what Mayo need. If you want something to debate then why not wax lyrical about Mayo's planned effort to take out Donegal's key men in the AI final. Although I suppose the dirty challenges on McHugh, McGlynn, Murphy and Lacey could just have been a coincidence.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 11, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
Who's moaning??? Donegal won fairnand square and deserved to win. No decision tilted the game,

All im saying is in spite of him being a wonderful person for what he did for his friend, as a commentator, I think he's a pr1ck of the highest order
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on October 11, 2012, 09:54:31 PM
I think the man has got a bit carried away with himself on tv to be honest. He appears to think he's of superior intelligence to the other pundits and undermines them like their opinions don't matter. I would guess hs is more intelligent but that makes his opinions no more valid than anyone else and he needs to realise this. He has also went a bit far on mayo as this thread illustrates it. I thought there was an element of sinister ness to his referee rant too though to be honest I thought the ref gave mayo plenty bar the free before the second goal.

All that being said the man does so much for charity and what he's done here have to be commended as remarkable acts of human kindness.

So as some have said - as a Tv pundit he's a gobshite but outside that he's clearly a very good hearted man.

So joe if you're reading how about bringing some of that into your punditry rather than being patronising and constantly winding up for the sake of winding up?? give us something insightful like you're capable of...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on October 12, 2012, 08:01:46 AM
I think the man has got a bit carried away with himself on tv to be honest. He appears to think he's of superior intelligence to the other pundits and undermines them like their opinions don't matter. I would guess hs is more intelligent but that makes his opinions no more valid than anyone else and he needs to realise this. He has also went a bit far on mayo as this thread illustrates it. I thought there was an element of sinister ness to his referee rant too though to be honest I thought the ref gave mayo plenty bar the free before the second goal.

All that being said the man does so much for charity and what he's done here have to be commended as remarkable acts of human kindness.

So as some have said - as a Tv pundit he's a gobshite but outside that he's clearly a very good hearted man.

So joe if you're reading how about bringing some of that into your punditry rather than being patronising and constantly winding up for the sake of winding up?? give us something insightful like you're capable of...
Cheers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 12, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.
It's important to have a bit of perspective in life. Yes the likes of Brolly and Spillane can annoy with comments on individuals and teams but at the end of the day it's only talk, and they're there to stir things up and entertain.  People should try and cast their minds back to early punditry and it was fairly dull stuff, no one wanting to cause offence to anyone.  Anyone who takes some of their more outlandish comments seriously need to develop a thicker skin imo.  Think back to August time and those Donegal eejits who attacked Spillane in the street - what awful crime did Spillane commit to warrant that?
What Joe Brolly has done is just unbelievable and says all we need to know about his character and downright decency. That's the stuff that really counts. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder about a perceived wrongdoing against their county need to catch themselves on.

I used to be of that opinion. But Brolly clearly went on national radio the Wednesday before the AI final and labeled Mayo as a tactically fouling team as well as saying there was an onus on the referee to sort this out. This was not an idle comment or as you say 'only talk'. It would have been 'only talk' had he said it on the day of the game. This clearly had a bearing psychologically with the referee and his decision making on the game.
Have to laugh at this (sorry FTB) but this imo is exactly what the Mayo set up did before the AISF this year with its "observations"  on the referee made before that game. What's good for the goose  is ........etc.
Anyway wish JB all the best. Always liked him and thought that he is/was one of the very few pundits/ journos that was fair to Dublin over the years and who didn't engage in the  gleeful grave dancing like the others.


In all fairness the last time that ref, reffef a Mayo match he gave 3 blatant game changing decisions against Mayo-even Pat Spillane said he was a disgrace after the game. Tack on the fact that he gave the Dubs, more than a few questionable calls the prior year, I think Horan was dead right to make the comments he did. It's one thing for a manager to say it, it's another thing for Brolly to do it a few days before the final. Given his post match rant against Mayo, I think it's quite clear now what his agenda was

+1 (Nail on the head)


So a manager comments in public about a referee in advance of a game and this is a legitimate and acceptable attempt to influence the referee. A pundit, whose job it is to comment on the game, including the standard of refereeing, comments in public about a referee in advance of a game and this is unacceptable.

Have I got that right? It's hard to keep up with the unwritten rules of how we're allowed to comment on Mayo.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: whitey on October 12, 2012, 11:20:35 AM
Hardy, all due respect, he did more than comment on the standard of refereeing.

Reading his post match comments give me all the context I need to understand what he was trying to accomplish with his pre match comments.

If you think it within a pundits remit to attempt to influence a referee before a game, that's an opinion you're absolutely entitled to. It's one I respectfully disagree with.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 12, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
Fair enough, Whitey, but my point was not about the propriety of comments from pundits or managers, but about your suggestion that it was acceptable for the manager to comment, but not for the pundit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 12, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Who's moaning??? Donegal won fairnand square and deserved to win. No decision tilted the game,

All im saying is in spite of him being a wonderful person for what he did for his friend, as a commentator, I think he's a pr1ck of the highest order
Amen to all that, especially your closing sentiment.

Some years ago, Monaghan appeared in an Ulster final. (Can’t recall the year.)
Tommy Freeman was injured in the lead up to the game and lined out with a heavily bandaged hand. Apparently, the damage was self-inflicted. Freeman, who is a roofer, had discharged a Hilti nail  and drove it through this hand.
Brolly saw something funny in this and kept on making sarcastic references to Freeman’s ability as a  roofer and as a marksman throughout the game.
“Monaghan people have been known to shoot themselves in the foot but here’s a twist, the man who shot himself in the hand is opting to take this free. ” was just one of his witty observations and there were loads more.
No one else in the commentary studio saw anything funny in what was going on out on the field or in Brolly’s witticisms either. Nobody responded to his sarcastic observations  and rightly so.
I had very little  time for the man coming up to the game and none whatever since.
Last year he had a right go at Donegal for their negative spoiling approach to the game and this year it was Mayo’s turn. God alone knows who the gobshite will turn his attention to next year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on October 15, 2012, 06:02:39 PM
Heart breaking to hear that the transplant was not a success and the kidney was removed.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1015/joe-brolly-transplant-operation-fails.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Maroon Heaven on October 15, 2012, 06:09:13 PM
devastated to hear transplant has not been successful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on October 15, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
God, that's awful news.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on October 15, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
God, that's awful news.

feck  :(
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: glens abu on October 15, 2012, 07:10:50 PM
Awful sad news
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on October 15, 2012, 07:12:26 PM
Awful news.  :-[
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on October 15, 2012, 07:28:51 PM
Ah no. That'd break your heart.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 15, 2012, 07:36:44 PM
It is shocking news. I feel desperately for both men involved. With luck, Mr Finnegan will be able to lead a full life in spite of this drawback and I wish Joe all the best also.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: RMDrive on October 15, 2012, 07:38:58 PM
Sad news. It's a good reminder to talk to our loved ones about organ donation so peoples wishes are clear to everyone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 15, 2012, 07:52:05 PM
That's rough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on October 15, 2012, 07:54:18 PM
Ah no. That'd break your heart.

Mc Stay ????

In all seriousness desperate stuff, Will brolly be re-operated on to have the kidney back
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sportacus on October 15, 2012, 09:02:11 PM
What a massive disappointment.  Don't know how this.works now medically but I hope they both get back on their feet soon.  They give it a go -  fair play to them.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 15, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
That is just awful news. God bless both
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on October 16, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
Sad news indeed
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 16, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
Ah shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ard-Rí on October 16, 2012, 12:12:39 PM
f**k it. That's rough luck.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2012, 12:22:34 PM
Sad that it didn't achieve its effect.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: dundrumite on November 11, 2012, 11:00:27 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231239/My-kidney-op-devastating-truth.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: catchandkick on November 12, 2012, 12:40:40 AM
Very interesting (and sad unfortunately) article.

Brolly is an extremely bright guy and a unique individual.

Massive kudos to him for his efforts here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on November 12, 2012, 09:56:23 PM
Jaysus that's awful unfortunate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on November 14, 2012, 12:10:40 PM
All-Ireland-winning footballer and RTÉ analyst Joe Brolly has spoken of the devastation he suffered on hearing his kidney donation to a friend had failed.

The 43-year-old barrister from Derry told RTÉ News at One it was an agonising time but he "would do it all again tomorrow if he could".

The organ that was transplanted to Shane Finnegan last month stopped working when complications were discovered nine days after the major operation.

Brolly said Shane's wife called in the middle of the night to tell him the operation had failed. He said despite claims Shane's body had rejected the organ, the kidney was in fact starved of oxygen because of a blood clot.

"There was obviously deep disappointment," he said. "The kidney that had been working perfectly had to be taken out. There was no rejection as we understand it. It was all the more agonising for that.

Brolly said he "would be trying to get on", adding that he has started back running and hoped to return to work next month.

"I would do it all again tomorrow if I could" - Joe Brolly"But for Shane it's different" he said. "Because the stakes are very high, it wasn't really the sort of game you could afford to lose. For Shane, it was obviously was a hammer blow.

"The clock is ticking and he needs a kidney from a live donor urgently. He is very weak, he has lost a few stone and is very frail but mentally he is very strong."

Brolly insisted people should not be afraid of being a living donor.

"The scientific community isn't sure why we have two kidneys," he added. "You only need one kidney. Once you are healthy, you can be a living donor.

"If someone were interested, they can easily contact me, north or south. If someone put their hands up, the process is excellent, you know it's something well worth doing. I would do it all again tomorrow if I could."

He said it's been a great lesson for his children and the wider community, including St. Bridget's GAA club, where both he and Shane coached at under-age level.

During his time in hospital he said: "You could see lives being saved everyday".

There are currently 600 people in the Republic waiting for a kidney transplant, 200 in Northern Ireland - including Shane Finnegan.

Brolly added: "Between eight and 10 percent of those will die without getting a kidney and it's an awful waste, because if people filled out a donor card, it would make a massive, massive difference to other people's lives."

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heganboy on November 14, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
some people seem to miss the point with Brolly.
I know him - not well enough to shitetalk about him and name drop like every columnist was doing at the start of the week in the irish news - from heany, tierney and even in the bsuiness section with mcerlane


 mecerlean and Brolly are the oldest of friends, they grew up together both boarding at St Pats Armagh for 7 years, and in addition played on the same Irish underage basketball teams. Thats not name dropping, thats a shout out to one of your best mates.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 17, 2012, 12:44:52 PM
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning. I'll stick up a link when it's available.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on November 17, 2012, 01:05:59 PM
Quote
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning.

Reluctant as I am to agree with a Down man, I couldn't agree more.

here's the link (http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#rii=9%3A20110068%3A70%3A17%2D11%2D2012%3A&type=radio)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: catchandkick on November 17, 2012, 06:52:59 PM
Astonishing interview with Joe on Marion Finucane this morning. I'll stick up a link when it's available.

Is it along the lines of the Daily Mail article? Parts of that were very deep.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: supersarsfields on November 20, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
Great to hear that there may be a couple of other donors coming forward.  The GAA can really be a remarkable organisation at times. 

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Fresh hope in search for kidney donor says Brolly

 ALL-Ireland winner Joe Brolly has revealed that three more live donors - including two GAA figures - are lining up to help Shane Finnegan, who needs a kidney transplant.

The former Derry GAA All-Star, now a pundit, donated one of his kidneys to his friend and clubmate Mr Finnegan at the start of last month.

But less than two weeks later, doctors confirmed that the transplant had failed due to a rare blood clot.

Mr Brolly has now revealed that two figures in the GAA are undergoing tests in a Belfast hospital to help save the life of Mr Finnegan.

Another person has also come forward to help the stricken father-of-three find a suitable match.

Mr Finnegan, a PR executive who coaches under-10s GAA with Mr Brolly, is now back on dialysis and desperately needs a kidney.

Mr Brolly said he was very concerned for his friend's future health, adding that he was now helping in the search for a new living donor.

"What's next is that he needs a volunteer. He needs a donor," Mr Brolly told RTE radio.

"Without betraying any confidence, two people have already gone in to be tested in Belfast. Another person is coming to see me next week.

"Two of them are from very, very strong GAA backgrounds and obviously the GAA community has been superb.

"He needs a donor - a living donor. A deceased donor is no good for him. I was just in that miserable one per cent with Shane."

Mr Brolly, a father-of-five who won the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship with Derry in 1993, had made the decision to donate a kidney to Mr Finnegan after having known him only for a short time.

Before the transplant, Mr Finnegan (40) was having dialysis three nights a week for the past six years after suffering kidney failure. He had not told his children of his health problems.

It was the third transplant the father-of-three had undergone, with one having failed after 12 years.

Mr Brolly said he found out that the transplant had failed in a phone call from his friend's "distraught" wife, Catherine Finnegan.

"It was such a miserable finale to something that has been so exultant. I mean obviously it's a miserable situation for me but for Shane's family and for Shane, this was it," he said.

"Everything had been so good and the experts were agreed that this was the best possible situation for them in advance.

"Everything had gone so well for the physical transplant and then for such a small thing to destroy it all was very agonising.
   



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 16, 2013, 10:42:15 PM
Interview with Joe Brolly on The Nolan Show tonight
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theticklemister on January 16, 2013, 11:28:25 PM
Joe please dont crack a joke over the Union fleg!!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2013, 12:04:02 AM
He was smiling all the way, probably laughing at all the uneducated fools in the crowd, east belfast be the new location for shameless. Had the crowd knew his father was in Sinn Fein, would he have got the same response
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Club Rossa on January 17, 2013, 08:32:53 AM
Was waiting for him to comment on the flags issue,he would have torn some of those boys to shreds.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tbrick18 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: EC Unique on January 17, 2013, 09:49:10 AM
Fair play to him. Gutted for them both that it rejected. He is an example to all in humanity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on January 17, 2013, 11:32:44 AM
Inspiring story and really shows how important it is to put yourself on the Donor List today. Selfish not to.

The perfect antidote to all the rabble that went on before.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on January 17, 2013, 03:44:20 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pwdcf (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01pwdcf)

I can't access it down here in Dublin though
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
He did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 19, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
He did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.

Really, hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred, on a programme filmed in Ulster. Find that hard to believe. He is always singing the praises of Ulster football. If it were filmed in Kerry or Mayo then I would not be surprised.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fr. Cyril McDuff on January 19, 2013, 11:23:56 AM
I'd love to have seen him blow a few kisses to the crowd!  ;D

A living legend is our Joe.
He did give them a big (film star) wave at the end.
When the camera scanned the audience during the few applauses, more than few could be seen with hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred.

Really, hands clasped tight and facial expressions of pure hatred, on a programme filmed in Ulster. Find that hard to believe. He is always singing the praises of Ulster football. If it were filmed in Kerry or Mayo then I would not be surprised.

Don't think you appreciate the make up of the audience that evening. Was full of Tyrone wans.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on January 19, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
Nah, if it was a Tyrone infected audience, they would have been asking Joe to give Shane his other kidney.

Joe handled the interview (after walking into such a toxic atmosphere) with consummate ease and that segment was inspirational.  Though I thought he looked a bit thin and somewhat haggard, I hope he doesn't have any comebacks on his own health after all the kidney donor experience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fr. Cyril McDuff on January 19, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
Nah, if it was a Tyrone infected audience, they would have been asking Joe to give Shane his other kidney.

Joe handled the interview (after walking into such a toxic atmosphere) with consummate ease and that segment was inspirational.  Though I thought he looked a bit thin and somewhat haggard, I hope he doesn't have any comebacks on his own health after all the kidney donor experience.

Thought that too, though would imagine the process would lead to some weight loss.
Should have had Joe on for the first part too, would loved to have seen him tear into the braying mob. No better man for ripping the piss out of a shower like that. Bloody Tyronies  >:( ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: All of a Sludden on February 05, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/organ-donation-opt-out-plan-for-northern-ireland-583696.html

Proposals to introduce a presumed consent system of organ donation in Northern Ireland have been announced.

Stormont’s political leaders have launched a public consultation exercise on the potential change.

The opt-out system would mean people would be presumed to have given consent for their organs to be donated upon their death, unless they have otherwise stated.

First Minister Peter Robinson and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness were joined by Stormont Health Minister Edwin Poots at the City Hospital in Belfast as they announced the consultation exercise.

If the feedback is positive, they said they would move to introduce legislation to deliver the new system.

Also at the announcement was former Gaelic football star Joe Brolly, who has become a high-profile campaigner for organ donation since he donated a kidney to a friend last year.

The Welsh Government is currently pressing to introduce a similar presumed consent model.

Mr Poots said British Prime Minister David Cameron had indicated to him that there were no plans for a UK-wide presumed consent system so the Northern Ireland Executive had decided to push ahead with its own proposal.

“I think there’s a great opportunity out there to ensure that as many people as possible have the opportunity to live a full and healthy life who otherwise wouldn’t and therefore that’s why we want to put this out to public consultation to give feedback on this,” he said.

“If the consultation comes back favourable we’ll look to bring legislation forward.”
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on February 14, 2013, 07:59:54 AM
Good piece on Joe today
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2013/0214/1224330009987.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2013/0214/1224330009987.html)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on March 04, 2013, 02:09:01 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)

Met Kilkenny Tommy Walsh at Cork Opera House on Friday night. Smaller than Amir Khan and twice as dangerous

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 04, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)

Wow. He could become as big as a Gerry's gay teddys if he plays it right. Maybe even a Barton.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on March 04, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Expect Twitter to break in August some time

https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993 (https://twitter.com/JoeBrolly1993)

Joe Brolly has recently started a "Make Life Your Legacy" campaign, to get legislative change in Northern Ireland and Ireland to a 'soft opt out' or 'presumed consent' society for organ donation.

I would imagine that this twitter account is set up by Joe, as another medium to get the word out and communicated to people about it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 16, 2013, 12:51:56 AM
From being such an annoying wee bollix while playing Brolly really is a legend.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Declan on March 16, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
Loved his one from last night -

Joe Brolly ‏@JoeBrolly1993
Just met Michael D Higgins backstage he hadn't a f**king clue who I was
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 16, 2013, 12:27:55 PM
Loved his one from last night -

Joe Brolly ‏@JoeBrolly1993
Just met Michael D Higgins backstage he hadn't a f**king clue who I was

Probably thought he was Devin Toner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: No Soloing on March 16, 2013, 01:44:49 PM
From being such an annoying wee bollix while playing Brolly really is a legend.

He was a legend while playing too!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
IrishKidneyAssoc. @IrishKidneyAs

@RTELateLateShow As a result of the coverage on the Late Late we got over 1200 Organ Donor card requests last night! Thank you! #lifeisagift


Great stuff.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on March 18, 2013, 10:42:04 AM
From Brolly's Column in The Mail on Sunday.

I know the family, his brother has a successful Lung transplant last year.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2014, 01:41:52 PM
Joe full of shite as usual



http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=212803
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
Just posted on the other thread MR2 he is using a defunct argument to prove he was right all along when he is completely off the mark.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on March 27, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
Jesus! Diarmuid Connolly a victim, theres a new one!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on March 27, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
So, he picks two games, compares them and comes to a massive conclusion.

I wonder has he watched much of the National League.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 03:07:14 PM
So, he picks two games, compares them and comes to a massive conclusion.

I wonder has he watched much of the National League.

+1
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on March 27, 2014, 03:46:22 PM
If he did he would have seen plenty of brilliant football games but then again there are brilliant football league games every year.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 03:50:26 PM
Most entertaining league in years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 03:53:32 PM
Most entertaining league in years.

He is not wrong about the Football but he is definitely wrong about the hurling and using the club final as his basis is just plain ridiculous for a so called educated guy.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 27, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
Most entertaining league in years.

He is not wrong about the Football but he is definitely wrong about the hurling and using the club final as his basis is just plain ridiculous for a so called educated guy.

Its not like Joe to use flimsy evidence to make sweeping comments to gain maximum exposure. Would anyone have paid attention if he'd said the club football final was better than the hurling - no. So, he says magnificant gaelic football is now better than boring hurling. All of a sudden everyone is talking about him again. His analysis is entertaining but not really to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on March 27, 2014, 04:01:20 PM
From the link he basically said the hurling final was poor and the football final was very good which is largely true, did he say anything else?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 27, 2014, 04:02:19 PM
From the link he basically said the hurling final was poor and the football final was very good which is largely true, did he say anything else?

"A golden era for football is upon us. The next time someone repeats the cliche that hurling is a better game that football. I will be ready for them. At last ..."

A bit sweeping for March time?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NAG1 on March 27, 2014, 04:14:14 PM
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.

Jinxy dont worry we can always look down our noses at an inferior game  ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 27, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
I do think the black card is going to have a big difference though come business end of championship.

Of course Joe will proclaim, or at least think, that he was reponsible for it but that's the sort of him.

Sure some of the hurling "purists" think last year's championship had less quality about it than previous years when you maybe didn't get so many high scoring games.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on March 27, 2014, 05:43:03 PM
What Joe Brolly has said in the past
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/)

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There is a but about Colm. I said during 2012 he was, “The greatest first half footballer in the history of the game,” which drove the Kerry ones crazy. I meant he was not a natural warrior leader, in the mould of Canavan, or Trevor Giles or O’Rourke. A snapshot. In the 2005 final, Canavan saw Gooch taking off to join the attack near the end, grabbed him and held him to the ground in a judo hold. Had it been the other way round wee Pete would have hit him so hard Gooch would have imagined he was surrounded. It was the genius versus the warrior genius. Canavan’s personality meant that he refused to accept defeat, whereas Cooper often did. The difference between Federer and Nadal.

What Joe Brolly says today

Quote
"Diarmuid Connolly has spent his short career being pulled down, body checked and spoiled. But opponents can't do that anymore.

"So on St Patrick's Day, the boy finally showed us what he has. Turns out he has everything, and then some more. He augmented his 2-5 from play (both feet and the fist) by catching two kick-outs and setting up 1-3.

"Everything that was great about football was on show as both teams gave it their all and were free to show their skills.

So when did blatant cheating go from being the sign of a "warrior" to the antithesis of all that is "great about football" ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on March 27, 2014, 05:49:43 PM
Prior to 2013, the football championship had, in general, been much more entertaining than the hurling for a number of years.
A couple of epic All-Ireland finals between KK and Tipp masked the truth.
The first time in years that the hurling championship lived up to the hype, the hurling nazis were very quick to look down their nose at football.
Jinxy

I think the board should sponsor you for a duel with Eddie Keher
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on March 27, 2014, 05:56:23 PM
As long as I get to choose the weapons i.e. an O'Neills size 5 at twenty paces.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Black Card on March 27, 2014, 05:56:42 PM
Even at school Joe sought and loved the attention, just now more people hear what he has to say.  Bet he looks in here and smiles!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: CD on March 27, 2014, 06:51:45 PM
Even at school Joe sought and loved the attention, just now more people hear what he has to say.  Bet he looks in here and smiles!
I can't believe there are people coming on here and suggesting that Joe Brolly is a self-obsessed, self-serving, egotistical self-publicist whose favourite words in the whole world are 'Joe Brolly.' I'm only saying!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
As long as I get to choose the weapons i.e. an O'Neills size 5 at twenty paces.

Sure you have no problem sticking over a 65 in hurling. In ten 65's you'd not get one like wise a hurler knocking over a 45 in football, though I doubt you'd be able to knock over too many 45's ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: didlyi on March 27, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
In fairness Brolly is admitting that Hurling always was the more entertaining game and that the football was better than the hurling on Paddys day. I would agree with you on both counts Joe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 27, 2014, 10:57:14 PM
In fairness Brolly is admitting that Hurling always was the more entertaining game and that the football was better than the hurling on Paddys day. I would agree with you on both counts Joe.

It usually is for some reason.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: maxpower on March 28, 2014, 09:13:38 AM
The club hurling semi finals have had some epics in recent years, De La Salle v Clarinbridge being one of the best games i've seen, but for some reason the finals haven't risen to near the same excitement.  Even the eagerly awaited game between Portumna and Ballyhale was quite mediocre.

Football final this year was excellent, but one swallow...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on March 28, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
One swallow? The club football final has invariably been excellent and many of the semi finals have been good too. The national football leagues, all divisions, are usually outstanding entertainment. The football championship has been, at least, as good as the hurling over the past 10-15 years yet we seem to be in a perpetual state of anxiety over football while any criticism of hurling is frowned upon. 

Football has it's issues but most of them are caused by the daftness of the championship structure. Hurling, due to it's small concentrated pool of teams, does pretty well out of the championship but football is destroyed by it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: time ticking away on March 28, 2014, 09:44:31 AM
What Joe Brolly has said in the past
http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2014/03/joe-brolly-a-lament-for-the-gooch/)

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There is a but about Colm. I said during 2012 he was, “The greatest first half footballer in the history of the game,” which drove the Kerry ones crazy. I meant he was not a natural warrior leader, in the mould of Canavan, or Trevor Giles or O’Rourke. A snapshot. In the 2005 final, Canavan saw Gooch taking off to join the attack near the end, grabbed him and held him to the ground in a judo hold. Had it been the other way round wee Pete would have hit him so hard Gooch would have imagined he was surrounded. It was the genius versus the warrior genius. Canavan’s personality meant that he refused to accept defeat, whereas Cooper often did. The difference between Federer and Nadal.

What Joe Brolly says today

Quote
"Diarmuid Connolly has spent his short career being pulled down, body checked and spoiled. But opponents can't do that anymore.

"So on St Patrick's Day, the boy finally showed us what he has. Turns out he has everything, and then some more. He augmented his 2-5 from play (both feet and the fist) by catching two kick-outs and setting up 1-3.

"Everything that was great about football was on show as both teams gave it their all and were free to show their skills.

So when did blatant cheating go from being the sign of a "warrior" to the antithesis of all that is "great about football" ?

dont like to agree with mike at all,but this is a perfect example of joe schizophrenic Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on March 28, 2014, 10:19:56 AM
One swallow? The club football final has invariably been excellent and many of the semi finals have been good too. The national football leagues, all divisions, are usually outstanding entertainment. The football championship has been, at least, as good as the hurling over the past 10-15 years yet we seem to be in a perpetual state of anxiety over football while any criticism of hurling is frowned upon. 

Football has it's issues but most of them are caused by the daftness of the championship structure. Hurling, due to it's small concentrated pool of teams, does pretty well out of the championship but football is destroyed by it.

Its the mindset of the respective pundits and commentators which creates this imo.

The hurling lads big up even the shittest game of hurling yet the football pundits seem to take great joy in deriding the new footballers with their, not as good as it was in my day mentality.

The business end of the last few football championships have been good, the hurling was a bit stagnated when it was Kilkenny vrs someone else and ended up putting 10 plus points on them. The Galway and Kilkenny games in 2012 were superb entertainment as was last years two finals. The earlish exit of Kilkenny added a bit of spice as well.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on March 28, 2014, 12:07:29 PM
Well said AZ and in fairness Mickey Harte has been making that point for the last number of years that the pundits seem to continually bad mouth the game and see it through biased eyes of yesteryear

Whilst I have not enjoyed Donegal & Tyrone's style over the past 3 or 4 years or so I think Spillane & Co have really added to the negativity of it all.
I hope the openness of games so far this year continue into the championship but I fear they won't. I know teams like Donegal and Cavan continue to think defensively and I'd say looking at Tyrone's lack of good man markers we too will resort to playing sweepers etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 28, 2014, 12:23:09 PM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.

The standard of the football punditry is pretty bad these days. It's all about Brolly point scoring or bigging up what he likes now or Spillane losing the plot with him etc etc. Brolly was reasonaby amusing for a while but not any more.

Hurling you have the likes of Mulcahy, Cusack etc etc who are very insightful and you can't but admire the passion the likes of Farrel has. Football you could barely have any respect for any pundit to be honest.

As you say they are both different games - the two best games about so don't see the need for people who like one better to chastise the other one!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: clootfromthe21 on March 28, 2014, 01:05:24 PM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.

The standard of the football punditry is pretty bad these days. It's all about Brolly point scoring or bigging up what he likes now or Spillane losing the plot with him etc etc. Brolly was reasonaby amusing for a while but not any more.

Hurling you have the likes of Mulcahy, Cusack etc etc who are very insightful and you can't but admire the passion the likes of Farrel has. Football you could barely have any respect for any pundit to be honest.

As you say they are both different games - the two best games about so don't see the need for people who like one better to chastise the other one!

To be honest, I quite like Brolly as a commentator. At least, he offers an insight other than either a.) some sort of eulogy about passion or wanting it more or b.) effectively a commentary on a piece of action replay that I can see for myself thanks very much. If anything, I think the hurling pundits are the worst for the latter ("Well, Michael, he put his hand up there and he caught it, and then he turned there Michael and he hit it very hard and it went into the net. And that's a goal in any man's language")

It might be unmitigated bollocks, but at least its something. Same with Neil Francis in the rugby (helmet on). Now there's a game I don't understand at all tactically, but Francis will usually come up with some take on it. It might be complete nonsense but it at least it is not stating the obvious that any idiot (i.e. me) can see for themselves.

Of course, with Brolly, in addition to the insight, you have the cheese eating grin, being the smartest boy in the room, the winding up of Pat etc etc
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on March 28, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Yeah but you can't help but feel there's always an agenda against someone. Comnments about Cavanagh last year, Mayo the year before etc etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Black Card on March 28, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
His agenda is Joe Brolly, in fairness he's a master at promoting it. :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on March 28, 2014, 02:54:21 PM
I like Joe, he is by far the most entertaining pundit, like Dunphy or Giles I can't wait to hear what he has to say.

Regarding the Hurling v Football, hurling fans are so precious about their sport, any praise of football and they take it as a dig at hurling.

Personally i'm not a big fan of hurling, I've no problem with people supporting it but it doesn't entertain me, scores are too easy to come by and while many people think this is great it puts me off it. To use an analogy, snooker wouldn't be any better if the pockets were the size of a saucepans and no one ever missed, it takes the tactics out of the sport.

That's not to say I haven't enjoyed a hurling game but despite the skill levels involved in some aspects I see it as a very primitive game, a defender gets it and hits it as far as he can into the forward line, the forward scraps with the defender to take it, if he wins its over the bar if he loses it comes back down the other way. 50 50 balls are acceptable to play in hurling they aren't in football.

There are no tactics in hurling which is one of the main reasons i'm not a fan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mario on March 28, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.
I understand it, I used to play it

Martin Fogarty thinks there are no tactics because it's too fast, i think it's because it's too easy to get scores
Quote
TACTICS don’t play a big part in hurling because the game is so fast and hard it is almost impossible to play to a rigid or set structure for 70 minutes.

Kilkenny selector Martin Fogarty has been part of the backroom team during five successful All-Ireland campaigns, and if the experience taught him one thing it was that hurling is a unique game that produces the best results when played flat out.

“Hurling will always be a simple game because you can’t slow it down, you have to play it at full pace all the time,” suggested the Erin’s Own (Castlecomer) clubman when it was suggested Galway had a fair tactical plan that paid off in the Leinster final.

“They don’t pack their defence as many suggested they did,” he continued. “I was at a couple of their matches this year and they don’t pack their defence any more than anyone else. When they brought an extra man back on Pa Cronin in the semi-final people started taking about football tactics, blanket defence and all that.

“They don’t do that. They play the game more or less the same as any other team, which is actually not planned. You can’t really plan hurling the ball moves around so fast.

“People often make too much of small things in hurling. If there is a 1-on-1 situation in front of goal and a team scores suddenly they have a tactic of pulling out the forwards. You could get a goal with 10 in the square as well.

“I don’t buy into that too much. Games pan out in different ways. People are always talking, always writing and reading things into situations that don’t exist.”
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 28, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.

Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))

He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
So Tipps long ball into an isolated forward line that garnered so many goals in 2010 wasn't a tactic? Cork's support running under Donal O'Grady wasn't a tactic? Clares short passing game last year wasn't a tactic?

Grand so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on March 28, 2014, 03:29:24 PM
Maybe he's only seen Antrim.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on March 28, 2014, 03:57:21 PM
I like Joe, he is by far the most entertaining pundit, like Dunphy or Giles I can't wait to hear what he has to say.

Regarding the Hurling v Football, hurling fans are so precious about their sport, any praise of football and they take it as a dig at hurling.

Personally i'm not a big fan of hurling, I've no problem with people supporting it but it doesn't entertain me, scores are too easy to come by and while many people think this is great it puts me off it. To use an analogy, snooker wouldn't be any better if the pockets were the size of a saucepans and no one ever missed, it takes the tactics out of the sport.

That's not to say I haven't enjoyed a hurling game but despite the skill levels involved in some aspects I see it as a very primitive game, a defender gets it and hits it as far as he can into the forward line, the forward scraps with the defender to take it, if he wins its over the bar if he loses it comes back down the other way. 50 50 balls are acceptable to play in hurling they aren't in football.

There are no tactics in hurling which is one of the main reasons i'm not a fan.

Thats it there - he is entertaining - like Apres Match was. His analysis is not to be taken seriously. Unfortunately, too many take his points seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on March 28, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.

Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))

He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.

Brolly, Spillane, Dunphy, Hook et al are on one level, Stephen Jones is at a whole other level. A gobeen so full of dung it near blows the mind
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on March 28, 2014, 04:37:16 PM
Have to say I quite like Brolly as well. He is quite entertaining and a newspaper publisher's or TV producer's dream.

Own up all you lads who say you don't like him...I bet you couldn't wait to hear what he had to say on TSG the week after his rant about Cavanagh. I dont think I would bother my arse buying the Gaelic Life if him or Cassidy weren't writing in it....(ok I might get it just to see what Poacher the Coacher has to say ;) ;))

He is like Eamonn Dunphy or Stephen Jones...people read or watch what they say to see who they are going to offend next.

Brolly, Spillane, Dunphy, Hook et al are on one level, Stephen Jones is at a whole other level. A gobeen so full of dung it near blows the mind

Agreed but people still buy the paper to see what shite he's gonna come out with next.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cicfada on March 28, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
Martin fogarty would have been part of a Kilkenny set up which has 1 tactic ( if you could call it that ) and that's lump the ball up to the forward line where the forwards have to win their own ball and then score or pass to a player in a better position . It's getting outdated as speed and space is coming vogue more as the new way that hurling is played. As regards brolly, he might be right about hurling, I have been at two double headers recently where the football was way more entertaining than the hurling. Cork v Derry and Offaly and the club finals. With the black card there is more emphasis on forwards scoring now and that's refreshing . It does not follow however that a black card would improve hurling......too many whistles ruin it as a sport and indeed in both hurling matches I have mentioned , both refs Barry Kelly and Alan Kelly both blew too often.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on March 29, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
I agree Johnny. Football has had some problems with teams struggling to adjust to *legal* defensive tactics, but that's a cyclical sort of thing, and I think even last year the we could see the genesis of the next level of attacking play. Even without the black card.

However, I think hurling and football pundits have different mindsets regarding the games they cover, and the games they view. As a coach, I want my team to play to the best of their ability, to display good decision making, and to exhibit good discipline and good technical skill levels.

As a fan, I want to see an exciting game, with a close finish, competitive and intense. Whether the technical abilities of the teams are at a high level or not is moot for me. An exciting Junior club game can give me as much enjoyment as an observer as an exciting inter county game at which I am a neutral.

I think the football pundits, taking their lead from the Eamon Dunphy/Johnny Giles school of analysis, view the games as coaches, and as coaches who have never had a bad team in their lives at that. Their criticism of the skills, the competence or the discipline of the teams is scathing because they feel that is what constitutes analysis.

The hurling pundits can get great joy out of a game between two poor teams, where the finish is close or the intensity and aggression is high. I've seen them laud games as great where lads take two or three touches to get the ball up in their hand, poor striking, bad wides. But it;s a great game because it's close, it's exciting and it's fast paced. They seem to believe that their analysis is primarily getting the message over that they love the game, and try to give reasons for other people to understand and love the game as well.

I can see both approaches being valid in a sense, but the hurling approach is certainly more upbeat and feel good, while the football is too much naval gazing and self loathing at times.

As I've said before, two great games that we should be proud of. That does not mean we can't improve or tweak certain aspects, but to listen to the football commentators you'd swear the football was caveman stuff that nobody should bother their hole even looking at.

I agree with this and much prefer the passion of the hurling pundits over the scythes of the football ones.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on March 31, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
If you say there are no tactics in hurling, then I'm afraid not only are you not a fan, but you just don't understand the game.
I understand it, I used to play it

Martin Fogarty thinks there are no tactics because it's too fast, i think it's because it's too easy to get scores
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TACTICS don’t play a big part in hurling because the game is so fast and hard it is almost impossible to play to a rigid or set structure for 70 minutes.

Kilkenny selector Martin Fogarty has been part of the backroom team during five successful All-Ireland campaigns, and if the experience taught him one thing it was that hurling is a unique game that produces the best results when played flat out.

“Hurling will always be a simple game because you can’t slow it down, you have to play it at full pace all the time,” suggested the Erin’s Own (Castlecomer) clubman when it was suggested Galway had a fair tactical plan that paid off in the Leinster final.

“They don’t pack their defence as many suggested they did,” he continued. “I was at a couple of their matches this year and they don’t pack their defence any more than anyone else. When they brought an extra man back on Pa Cronin in the semi-final people started taking about football tactics, blanket defence and all that.

“They don’t do that. They play the game more or less the same as any other team, which is actually not planned. You can’t really plan hurling the ball moves around so fast.

“People often make too much of small things in hurling. If there is a 1-on-1 situation in front of goal and a team scores suddenly they have a tactic of pulling out the forwards. You could get a goal with 10 in the square as well.

“I don’t buy into that too much. Games pan out in different ways. People are always talking, always writing and reading things into situations that don’t exist.”

Horseraddish. Fogarty comes from the Cody and Keher stable, whatever you say Paddy, say nothing.

I'll give you just one obvious tactic in the game referenced above. Galway looked to play the game on their terms. Instead of challenging Kilkenny for primary possession in the air like Tipp had done (to some success) in the previous years, they looked to bat the ball to the ground and forage for possession there. Kilkenny weren't prepared for this and Galway made hay.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on March 31, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
Kilkenny, Cody and Fogarty have been tweaking their 'tactics' for years now to suit their personnel and what their opponents bring to the table.

In 05 when a speedy Galway had a goalfest on them, the next year the Kilkenny team lined out with a deep lying Brian Hogan stopping anything and everything getting near their back line, this was supplimented with more mobile midfielders covering the space normally held by the centre back. Yes they weren't overly fussed on the quality of ball into their forwards as they still had 5 or 6 good catchers with the likes of Eddie Brennan scorching passed looking for the offload or scraps.
As said already, Galway bust their balls to stop the Kilkenny catching game in 2012, it worked in the Leinster final as they worked to win the breaking ball and move it in fast into quick forwards who were pulling the Kilkenny backs all over the place. Come the final and subsequent replay, the Kilkenny backs held their positions better, got their match ups right and introduced a big brute of a youngster in Walter Walsh to hug the sidelines and win the aerial battle in one and ones where Galway failed to get the additional cover to assist Coen.

Cody will have watched the way Clare and Cork set about their games last year and he's already introduced a good few speedsters into the defence over the NHL and brought out Colin Fennelly do hover up anything in and around the midfield area. Kilkenny have shown better than most that evolution is gradual and they're still a force to be reckoned with even if Tommy Walsh, Brian Hogan and even Shefflin aren't the main men any more.
 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tubberman on April 18, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 02:16:28 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

Brolly just categorically proved O'Shea correct with his childishness.

He calls Sky's coverage 'Big Breasted'. This is the man who described two amateur footballers as 'Swedish Maids'. I am beginning to think that all of this language from Joe is Freudian and he is trying to tell us something.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 18, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.

For a lad his size, he goes down way too easy and way too often.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?

Nothing, I was responding to the previous post.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 04:19:12 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

What has that to do with O'Shea's opinion on Sky? Or Brolly's opinion of O'Shea's opinion?

Nothing, I was responding to the previous post.

Apologies, didn't read that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 04:28:15 PM
any one have access to his latest raving
from http://gaeliclife.com/ via balls.ie

Joe Brolly has responded to Aidan O’Shea‘s critique of the RTE football panel in his Gaelic Life column in a typically cutting and sardonic fashion.

Brolly’s pithy summation of O’Shea’s critique was that the football panel were the type of people “who were prepared to say a game was rubbish if it was rubbish” as opposed to the more jolly and “big breasted” analysis the viewer will soon be able to avail of on Sky.

However, he did allow O’Shea some leeway because of these mitigating circumstances.

In fairness to Big Aidan, he is still in the early stages of recovery after Fergal Doherty poleaxed him on Sunday, leaving him curled up on the ground whimpering for his mammy.

He allowed those who echoed O’Shea’s critique no excuse, saying the tendency to “spoof” rather than “tell the truth” had done enormous damage to Irish society. The happy, clappy Sky Sports team, he predicted, will “unveil the sports analysis equivalent of the Rose of Tralee” before too long


Classy stuff from Brolly. He's some analyst....

In fairness O'Shea shouldn't have been down holding his face. That Gibbons lad too. Must have been a 'sniper at work' in the stand!

That O'Doherty lad was way too hyped up for the length he was on the field. Mad 'tackle' to make when you're on a yellow and O'Shea is not someone that goes down easily.

For a lad his size, he goes down way too easy and way too often.

O'Shea loves contact too much. I've seen him playing since he was a minor and he loves nothing more than lads bouncing off him trying to make a tackle, and that is the end result in the vast majority of cases. He has no fondness of the floor, just of putting other lads on it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

Nothing wrong if the intent was to lessen O sheas effect byway of  assault, you may as well scrap Cards altogether if that was not a yellow. much like the ref did for Black card for most of the match.
Keegan was hauled down when through on goal , exactly the situation the card was introduced for  but the ref chickened out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.

Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 18, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
Ah big Aidan eh, lined up for the all star last year until the lads ran the bollox off him ..............................  personally think Brolly is having a go because of the way Aidan held the face dramatically when Fergal gave it to him hard !!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.

Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.

Yes, but if you run in to shoulder me on the shoulder and I turn quickly and face you it isn't your fault that you hit me in the chest because you couldn't, at that stage, stop. You didn't try to hit me in the chest but you couldn't avoid doing so once I turned into you so late. That's what happened in this incident IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2014, 08:12:49 PM
How do you make out he was too hyped? There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intent of the tackle. Watching it unfold I was expecting to big me to shoulder each other but O'Shea went to kick with his outside leg at the last second. There was nothing Doherty could do at that stage. In fairness O'Shea was hit and you could see why he mightn't have hopped up straight away but it wasn't intentionally dangerous or malicious and I wouldn't have given a yellow.

Nothing wrong if the intent was to lessen O sheas effect byway of  assault, you may as well scrap Cards altogether if that was not a yellow. much like the ref did for Black card for most of the match.
Keegan was hauled down when through on goal , exactly the situation the card was introduced for  but the ref chickened out

What you forgot to mention was the 4 fouls Keegan committed in the first half. 3 on Lynn. Or the obvious black card which should have been issue to Gibbons twice.

Regarding O'Shea there is a big difference in soloing the ball and breaking tackles and meeting a man square on of equal size and strength. Needs to toughen up in my book.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Disagree, if two players are running at speed towards a ball both players may be committed to shouldering each other at the point they meet but if one decides not to shoulder and instead turned and faced his opponent he would get hit hard in the chest, however, that wouldn't be his opponents fault. That's what happened here more or less. O'Shea by using his outside leg to kick the ball exposed his front to Doherty who was already committed to the shoulder he expected to receive back. Neither player did anything wrong IMO, both went full bloodied in a legitimate way for the ball but because one played the ball and the other was committed to playing the man (within the rules) first, we got that collision.

Actually it is. It must be shoulder too shoulder or else it is a foul.

Yes, but if you run in to shoulder me on the shoulder and I turn quickly and face you it isn't your fault that you hit me in the chest because you couldn't, at that stage, stop. You didn't try to hit me in the chest but you couldn't avoid doing so once I turned into you so late. That's what happened in this incident IMO.

Zulu, you are one of the better posters here but this is daft.

If you lead with the shoulder and don't hit shoulder, you are at fault.

O'Shea had a man free up the line and wisely opted to play the ball to him. He never deviated from what he was doing. Doherty never attempted to get the ball. The only way that is legal is if you hit a fair shoulder. If you get it wrong, you are in trouble.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 08:41:51 PM
I agree it was a free because he didn't hit the shoulder but I disagree it was a yellow because there was no intent and in this situation there was an extremely fine line between a good hit and what happened. As I watched it unfold I was thinking this will be some shoulder to shoulder hit but at the last moment O'Shea saw a teammate and played the ball. Doherty who had no alternative but to shoulder first as it was the only way he could play the ball, if he kicked it first it was going to a line ball so he was going to shoulder O'Shea and then if possible pick the ball and use it.

Muppet, we could go around in circles here for the night, I'd readily accept this is very much an interpretation type of discussion. There was a foul so the question is intent and that is speculative. But for me, there were two big men going for a ball and if O'Shea hadn't had a free teammate ahead both would have had to shoulder each other before trying to win the ball. Doherty wasn't to know what O'Shea was going to do and I don't think Aidan did until very late. A free but no yellow for me. You obviously disagree which is fair enough but I've watched it a few times and that would be my view of it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:46:17 PM
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If that isn't a card, I don't know what it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree so.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 18, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree so.

Funnily enough looking at it a few more times, I am beginning to see your point. It is actually closer to a shoulder to shoulder hit than I had thought. His elbow came up afterwards which might have caught the eye of the ref and distorted his impression of it. I still think it was a definite free and very risky for a man on a yellow card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on April 18, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Jesus, lads, thon is a foul alright. O'Shea doesn't turn into it at all.

Doherty doesn't seem to be looking at him but puts his head down and throws in the hit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on April 18, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
I wouldn't dispute the foul, just the yellow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on April 18, 2014, 09:42:25 PM
I wouldn't dispute the foul, just the yellow.
It's a yellow for me alright, hitting a man down the middle like that. That's reckless. Although, I suppose, interpretation is key.........again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 18, 2014, 10:30:54 PM
But Doherty roofed some clubhouse in Derry gratis...so it can't be a yellow!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on April 18, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
it would be a hop ball in a club game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 18, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
it would be a hop ball in a club game.

There would be some hopped balls after a hit like that alright.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2014, 12:11:48 AM
I seen something like this in a game in derry last week, the damn ref didnt even give a free,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blanketattack on April 19, 2014, 12:22:46 AM
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If that isn't a card, I don't know what it.

I agree - they were running perpendicularly to each other so both would have needed to turn in order to meet each shoulder to shoulder. Also the back of Doherty's head bangs into the side of O'Shea's head so I don't understand why people are griping about O'Shea holding his face. At that speed he was lucky not to break his cheekbone.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 12:23:52 AM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on April 19, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 01:00:26 AM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!

Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous  defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!

Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous  defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.

Don't worry Babarino you'll get your chance if yous meet us this summer. Dick Clerkin, if ever a name fitted! For all Ricey or Conor Gormleys faults, at least they could play ball.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on April 19, 2014, 09:02:30 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 19, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
I started that...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Real Talk on April 19, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 19, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!

The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Estimator on April 19, 2014, 02:09:59 PM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!

The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
By that rational Doherty had his eyes on a shoulder to shoulder challenge with O'Shea and so should not have been a yellow. ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 19, 2014, 02:31:39 PM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.
I started that...

The Assassination of Dick Clerkin by the Coward Tony Baloney.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2014, 03:27:21 PM
He's tearing in to Donal Og now

http://balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-serious-issue-donal-og-cusack/

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The fall out from Sky’s foray into the GAA world continued today as former Cork hurling captain and current RTE analyst Donal Og Cusack wrote in his Irish Examiner column that he agrees with Aidan O’Shea’s assertion that football pundits do little to help improve the image of the game. One line is particular stands out.

It has improved in the last few seasons but mostly football punditry never really gets past the level of “Your jumper is gas Pat but that’s a desperate game of football isn’t it?”
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 19, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
He's tearing in to Donal Og now

http://balls.ie/gaa/joe-brolly-serious-issue-donal-og-cusack/

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The fall out from Sky’s foray into the GAA world continued today as former Cork hurling captain and current RTE analyst Donal Og Cusack wrote in his Irish Examiner column that he agrees with Aidan O’Shea’s assertion that football pundits do little to help improve the image of the game. One line is particular stands out.

It has improved in the last few seasons but mostly football punditry never really gets past the level of “Your jumper is gas Pat but that’s a desperate game of football isn’t it?”

If you read Donal Og's full article, apart from that comment in bold, it's hardly controversial. Joe likes to criticise and poke fun at people but can't really handle it coming back the other way. It seems like he's getting a bit twitchy as his aprčs match style of lazy analysis will be scrutinised like never before this year - can he improve? I doubt it, as his ego will not let him admit that he needs too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!

Aye right, so for having 'limited ability' eye gouging is acceptable. And as if Dara O'Se and Brolly's word on Clerkin overrides all. I was at the game in Celtic Park too. You're having a laugh with your raking lads heels line stuff. Doherty was at it from the start. The dirty hit on O'Shea and all the ridiculous  defense in the aftermath is just a repeat of Derry's holier than thou attitude.

Don't worry Babarino you'll get your chance if yous meet us this summer. Dick Clerkin, if ever a name fitted! For all Ricey or Conor Gormleys faults, at least they could play ball.

Try not to be such a Wally Cronc. The way the draw is set up, we'll be doing very well to meet. It should be fun, no need for the nasty stuff.

And back to the point. Most of the time Brolly's good craic, and he's smart enough to know when he gets carried away. He should have retracted what he said though, and RTE shouldn't let him be a pundit on Derry games. If they do, someone from the opposition should be there to challenge him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 19, 2014, 07:32:36 PM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?


As the man is a twitter whore and cant keep his mouth shut
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 19, 2014, 08:18:50 PM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?


As the man is a twitter whore and cant keep his mouth shut

Have your 907 previous posts been this intelligent? How many followers do you have on Twitter? If you don't rate what he has to say unfollow.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on April 19, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 19, 2014, 11:44:54 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mrs mills on April 20, 2014, 09:32:30 AM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 20, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on April 20, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?

I'm not Joe Brolly's biggest fan but I'm not sure you can blame him for this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 20, 2014, 12:50:56 PM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?

Maybe open a thread rather than post the same question in a dozen other threads ye big article ye ;-)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 20, 2014, 09:22:07 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.

There's only one deluded person in here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 20, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.

I was there of course and still have the game recorded. Monaghan arrived that day to act the wag(Dick in particular) thinking Derry had a soft under belly and were gonna bully their way to victory. Anyone saying different is a blinkered Monaghan man
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 20, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
Dick Clerkin and Brolly seem to be continually sniping on Twitter. Not sure what has started it.

A few years ago, Monaghan V Derry, Celtic Park. Clerkin nearly had his eyes gouged out by Doherty. Brolly post match on RTE said Monaghan were the gurriers of Ulster football, never retracted. Doherty 'canonised' by Brolly, GAA hearing cleared of all charges on the basis of Brolly's defense...Clerkin ban stuck...

Because Clerkin was found out as a spoiler with limited ability! He's been going round for a decade raking lads heels and hitting them off the ball because he can't compete on a footballing level just ask Dara O'Se!

Doherty plays football ask anyone but if you want to start on him he won't shy away! I was at all those games and Clerkin got all he deserved!
To quote Clerkin himself (in Declan Bogues book ) "Fergal plays hard, plays fair,I took it to the edge, it was just a case of stopping him and stopping him playing "

There was only one team in Celtic Pk that sunny afternoon who wanted to play football and it wasn't Monaghan. Ferbie met fire with fire.

Either you weren't there or you're seriously deluded.

I was there of course and still have the game recorded. Monaghan arrived that day to act the wag(Dick in particular) thinking Derry had a soft under belly and were gonna bully their way to victory. Anyone saying different is a blinkered Monaghan man

GAA revisionism is alive and well in Derry. Does your recording include Brolly's rant to confirm your warped viewing? If you recall the Celtic Park match followed two previous championship drubbings dished out by Monaghan to Derry in Casement. You then got a home venue, a weak ref, an eye gouging man possessed in midfield,  and a hatchet job on Conor Mc Manus.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 20, 2014, 11:08:25 PM
Youy didnt do much dishing out when the 2 bradleys ran riot in Monaghan in the following qualfier,whats your excuse there,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Newbridge Exile on April 21, 2014, 12:05:33 AM
I remember fergal reaching his hand out before the game to shake hands and receiveing a punch in the solar plexus from the bold dick , it definitely set the tone for the game ( to all the dick defenders it would be worth reading Declan Bogues book )
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 21, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...

Haha your some craic. Obv dont know much about big Doc!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2014, 05:00:32 PM
Conor Gormley would put manners on both these hard men...

Elbows are no longer legal tender on the football field.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
Gormley, Clerkin, Doherty, O'Neill's, Bangladesh... they're all getting it on the Joe Brolly thread!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on April 21, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on April 21, 2014, 05:53:47 PM
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.

Big Ian.
Big Swing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2014, 06:00:57 PM
Why does everyone over 5'10" in Ulster get 'big' stuck in front of their name?
Big Dick, Big Doc, Big Tom etc.

Ask your women...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 22, 2014, 05:55:59 PM
How has this turned into an assassination of Dick Clerkin ?

Yes Dick likes to play hard and tough. That's his prerogative. But I've seen him play ball too - he just didn't play the man all the time as some are suggesting. That game in Celtic park was a particularly spiteful one. Some would say a typical Ulster championship match. It wasn't all Dick's doing.

Need the chairman to step in here and make sure we get back to the original point ... whatever it was !!!!

Think Doherty's challenge was a definite yellow card, his first yellow was not.   Ref was inconsistent and Lynn in particular got a lot of 'black' abuse that went unpunished ... and what was Brolly talking about !!!!!!!!!!!

The first one looked like a clothes line in real time, but on the replay you could see he had his eyes on the ball so it shouldn't have been a card.
the first incident even at the time I thought was a stupid harsh yellow card- but refs make mistakes too

the second, I thought was stupid on Dochertys part as he was on a yellow card and he took out oshea on purpose-
however, after seeing your video clip, it was borderline yellow card- proj justified as the rule is reckless or endangering tackles are a yellow.
doc is a wholehearted player and he goes the same way for every ball.
Derry actually played better with the loss of a man, had to move about more which suits this team
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 22, 2014, 06:04:39 PM
Gormley, Clerkin, Doherty, O'Neill's, Bangladesh... they're all getting it on the Joe Brolly thread!

O Gara would take them all on
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on April 22, 2014, 09:52:28 PM
Youy didnt do much dishing out when the 2 bradleys ran riot in Monaghan in the following qualfier,whats your excuse there,

Derry thoroughly deserved to win that qualifier game in Clones. Our record in the qualifiers has been poor, but no complaints, it was a good game, played in the right spirit and ye won fair and square. Pity that wasn't Derry's attitude after ye got beaten fair in square in Casement with all the 'out Monaghaned Monaghan' talk after the Celtic Park game.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on April 22, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team.  The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear.  If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.   
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on April 22, 2014, 10:32:46 PM
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team.  The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear.  If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.   

Derry are sure to embrace this new chapter as Tyrone embraced the invention of the qualifiers ;-)

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on April 22, 2014, 11:28:26 PM
As sure as night follows day, Derry will somehow manage to scuttle their chances. Their top player might all of a sudden get an offer to play with a Welsh soccer  division 5 team and he'll be on his way, with suitcase in hand and holy water dripping off his forehead.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on April 23, 2014, 06:15:32 PM
For the first time since the invention of the internet we are about to witness a successful Derry team.  The inevitable trappings of this cause great fear.  If its anything like the tearraces of Clones of the early 90s the GAA board and online community must prepare themselves well for an influx of whinging, narcory and self loathing.   
Jeez - just shows how set in the dark ages you tyronies are!!
I was working on 'the Internet' when Derry beat you red arses to winning an All Ireland senior football title in 1993!

From the terraces of clones, croke park and on the Gaa board here we have experienced your own whingers so any we provide won't be a shock to any systems here!

Self loathing and shooting ourselves in the head as per Main streets example however - we are unfortunately very capable of !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 09, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
Really enjoyed this . . .

http://tyronetribulations.com/2014/05/08/jeremy-clarkson-in-trouble-again-this-time-over-use-of-brolly-word/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 09, 2014, 11:43:02 AM

Did you really?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 09, 2014, 12:23:39 PM

Did you really?

Sure did!

My favourite quote was "They don't do nearly enough stuff about link boxes"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 10, 2014, 11:08:10 AM
Did any of ye listen to Sean Cavanagh on Newstalk last night talking to Wooly Parkinson?
He said that immediately after the incident he didn't think too much about it but the whole week after it was affecting his mum and dad, his wife and kid and even his boss in work wasn't impressed with all the bad hype it had caused. He said non GAA people were questioning his integrity and personality all because Brolly threw his toys out of the pram.
At least Joe rang him to apologise but many of us don't fathom how much of an impact a pundit can have on the whole country.
As I said before I'd say Joe's own kids dread going anywhere near GAA grounds with him any more cis of the slagging.
Personally I enjoy listening to the man more often than not but hopefully he learned last year that you can't do these personal attacks on players or coaches.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: general_lee on May 10, 2014, 05:37:21 PM
I agreed with Joe at the time and still do with the sentiment, his choice of language was poor though.

I wouldn't worry too much about Sean's reputation, he's a gentleman and a media darling.

Only non-GAA people would get the wrong end of the stick and I doubt there are very many of them in the loop with what Brolly et al say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on May 10, 2014, 06:28:51 PM
Have no doubt that Brolly's comments had an effect on his family but would have serious doubt that it would cause him much trouble at work. He would get more sympathy than ire in relation to this where he works. His boss would more than likely be on his side too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 10, 2014, 08:00:52 PM
It's no wonder people keep their distance from Cavanagh and it's nothing to do with Brolly, if anyone goes within touching distance of him, he links their arm and hits the floor.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2014, 08:53:24 AM
Hang in their Main Street. Your bitterness will subside when ye finally beat us this year next month.
Will Mone be playing?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 11, 2014, 01:17:48 PM
Whose bitter? That's a Tyrone thing, bitter memories, remembered grievances etc, it's a mental and emotional rot.

If you get past the 1st round then we'l have the pleasure of watching Sean and the art of the acquired foul, otherwise we will be off to Newry to play Down.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 11, 2014, 01:41:45 PM
Tennants?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 11, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
Whose bitter?

Mine! Mitts off you Monaghan bollix!  ;) :P
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on May 11, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
Firstly, If we get past the first round we'll have already beaten ye again.
Secondly we don't have too much to be bitter about when it comes to Ye lot as you would have to go back to Nudie Hughes days since ye beat us last.
Finally, do you think Sean wins Ulster player of the year every few years just for his diving skills?

Good luck defending the Anglo Celt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 11, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
Whose bitter?

Mine! Mitts off you Monaghan bollix!  ;) :P
Then wallow in your alcohol imbibed. sweep down bitter memory lane.
Surely, the force of Joe is with us this time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 14, 2014, 02:32:52 PM
No Joe ? Working that day ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 14, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
Joe is no poser, but they could have used an inset of Joe or a cardboard cut out.

Hard to credit that those fellas had nothing better to do on the day than travel someplace to have their photo taken together, grinning, trying to look media snazzy and the end result is not supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Saffrongael on May 14, 2014, 07:55:47 PM
No Joe ? Working that day ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html

Des Cahill looks like has had a spray tan
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 14, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
No Joe ? Working that day ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rte-and-sky-reveal-gaa-schedules-ahead-of-opening-weekend-of-live-coverage-30273866.html

Des Cahill looks like has had a spray tan
who is yer man on the far right ?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on May 14, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
Seafoid, Martin Carney?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on May 14, 2014, 09:24:24 PM
Seafoid, Martin Carney?

Very much so
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2014, 10:25:05 PM
Des looks like an oompah loompah. Wee Martin is in hiding.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gaffer on May 17, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
McStay's a wee squirt!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rrhf on May 17, 2014, 11:03:07 PM
None of them boys would get in sky
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: the Deel Rover on May 18, 2014, 03:53:44 PM
Seafoid, Martin Carney?

Very much so

 :D :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omaghjoe on May 19, 2014, 06:55:01 AM
McStay's a wee squirt!!!

So he is! I Never remember him being that small

Who's behind him?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rodney trotter on May 19, 2014, 10:06:28 AM
He was back to his annoying best yesterday
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 19, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
As the senior analyst, Colm should take a firm line with Joe and tell him to stop interrupting Tomás.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 09:08:07 AM

Joe still grabbing the headlines. Love him or loathe him, he's well able to get debate going.

OUTSPOKEN GAA pundit Joe Brolly has described Sky Sports' new GAA lineup as "TV3 plus Baywatch babe".


The Derry barrister has been highly critical of the GAA's deal with Sky in interviews and on social media since the partnership was announced describing it as being "a breach of principle".

"The core of the GAA has always been that it is of the people, by the people, for the people. But as each new line is crossed, it becomes more difficult for us to feel that we are all in it together," he wrote in his column in Gaelic Life last week.

"The justifications for the SKY deal, that it increases the audience and encourages global participation, are fallacies."

Last night, the 1993 All-Ireland winner had another go at the Sky arrangement and a dig at their new anchor, Sky Sports News' Rachel Wyse.

He tweeted: "SKY = TV3 plus Baywatch babe".

His tweet, which has not been deleted, garnered some negative backlash on Twitter.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 09:11:48 AM
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.

Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on May 21, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
Jaysus, that's fairly bad from Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.

Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.

He'd have loved that.

I hope she does tweet back.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
That's totally inappropriate. He's making himself look like an idiot.

Rachel Wyse could tweet back that RTEs panel is a bunch of old, hackneyed, publicity whores - without the baywatch babe.

He'd have loved that.

I hope she does tweet back.

He really does feel he can say what he wants - his little barbed comments with a big smile are becoming nausiating and sexiset comments like would not be accepted in most public positions. The truth of the matter is that he would jump ship at the drop of a hat to join Sky. His ego is such that he would feel that he should be exposed to the wider UK audiences and he probably envisages himself on Soccer AM.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 21, 2014, 09:40:48 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

He has continually let himself down for quite a while now. In his head he's funny and he's smarter than everyone else so he can say what he likes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 09:42:47 AM
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!

Get over it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 09:45:39 AM
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!

Get over it.

Two seperate things - no he cant say what he wants.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 21, 2014, 09:46:17 AM
As long as he keeps raising money for charity and highlighting illness then he can say whatever the hell he likes!!

Get over it.

That's no excuse for acting the p***k.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
Please add #sackbrolly to any tweets you write on this topic.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:12:40 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 10:17:23 AM
Google search 'Sky Sports Presenter'

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sky+sports+presenters&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g258U6KYLIyV7AaFvIGoDw&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=896

Get off your high horses. Brolly is merely making a point about the nature of Sky Sports presentation. It's aimed at a primarily male audience.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: omagh_gael on May 21, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
Google search 'Sky Sports Presenter'

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sky+sports+presenters&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=g258U6KYLIyV7AaFvIGoDw&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=896

Get off your high horses. Brolly is merely making a point about the nature of Sky Sports presentation. It's aimed at a primarily male audience.

Spot the odd one out...

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 10:26:00 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

Sounds like making a point to me.

@JoeBrolly1993: SKY's entrenched beautiful anchor formula is shamelessly sexist, designed for their overwhelmingly male audience. That is the point.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

Right Benny ring Sky there and get Cora Staunton on!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 10:40:41 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

Right Benny ring Sky there and get Cora Staunton on!!

I'd have no problem with her as the expert analyst - but does she have any presenting experience?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

This. +1. She is also a competitive sports person, and has experience in a TV role. Brolly is trying a sneer, as is his default setting, but he's letting himself down badly here.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 10:44:54 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:47:53 AM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.

TV3 were never going to be competition for Brolly. The disdain he treats the viewers, and the amateur players he is supposed to enjoy watching, are symptomatic of what I believe to be a serious superiority complex on Joe's behalf. No one is as clever, as witty or as insightful as Joe. Tv3, with their small budget and limited reach were never going to be anything other than a second division irrelevance to him. Sky are a different animal, and if they decide to do it right, or if they get positive viewer feedback, he knows they can completely change the face of TV presentation of GAA, including our tired, stale, cynical analysts. I think it's very unlikely that Joe feels that RTE are in an unassailable position any more, and if Sky make inroads and RTE realise they have to lift their game, the performance of Brolly and Spillane, especially, will be something the Head of Sport looks at first off.

Of course if Joe can influence public perception of Sky and make a laugh out of it, or if Sky do a bad job of it, then RTE's position becomes even stronger, and Joe has a mandate to keep on keeping on for years to come. I think that would be a real pity.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
So what is it that you find bad about this. The fact she's good looking, Irish or is decent at what she does? Or because she is a she? In my view everything you have described her as is either a positive or neutral. No negatives.

Put the point is that Brolly, in his inimitable way, has made this point as a sneer. Calling her a 'Baywatch Babe' implies that she hasn't a clue and is ONLY there because she is good looking.

Look, Sky's approach to this is not exactly puritan, I agree. They know that a pretty woman on TV is a positive, whether we like it or not, but all of their presenters appear to have a good grasp of sport, competitive nature and seem to be very professional.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 10:55:46 AM
Veronica Corningstone?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2014, 10:55:55 AM
So what is it that you find bad about this. The fact she's good looking, Irish or is decent at what she does? Or because she is a she? In my view everything you have described her as is either a positive or neutral. No negatives.

Put the point is that Brolly, in his inimitable way, has made this point as a sneer. Calling her a 'Baywatch Babe' implies that she hasn't a clue and is ONLY there because she is good looking.

Look, Sky's approach to this is not exactly puritan, I agree. They know that a pretty woman on TV is a positive, whether we like it or not, but all of their presenters appear to have a good grasp of sport, competitive nature and seem to be very professional.
She reminds me of Rachel Allen
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Down Follower on May 21, 2014, 11:03:05 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.

Jeez man would you calm down.  You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny, articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 21, 2014, 11:04:53 AM
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/joe-brolly-was-rightly-put-in-his-place-on-twitter-tonight-after-taking-another-cut-at-sky/
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on May 21, 2014, 11:06:02 AM
Joe is brilliant on that Twitter account. He can fair stir.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy

So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?

By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 21, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.

Jeez man would you calm down.  You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny  articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.

He's not funny, he is boring and predictable, saying whatever it takes to get a rise or a reaction. His comments are out of line, although not surprising, since Sky are a rival who could do damage to his employer.

I really don't know how anyone that has such a bad habit of talking over others can be described as articulate.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy

So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?

By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!


You know what your 100% right she got the job on merity and nothing to do how she looks,how dare i have a different opinion than yourself,and your comment at the end says it all really.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.

Jeez man would you calm down.  You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny, articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.

I think Joe Brolly is a good man in private, and his work with charity is very admirable. Also, people who know me know I'm far from some bean eating, tree hugging, liberal PC acolyte. I am just tired of Joe's schtick when it comes to the GAA. I don't think he's very funny in that arena any more, and while he is articulate, I don't believe he demonstrates any great love for the game in his TV role. And he certainly, undeniably, takes far greater pleasure in 'exposing the frailties' than 'highlighting the greatness'. In short Joe, the GAA pundit, is a deliberately contrarian character who deliberately (in my view) sensationalises for effect and denigrates the game and its players in order to maximise his own profile and earnings potential.

I'm sure I'd love to have a pint with Joe, and I suspect he'd agree with everything I've said if he was being candid.

In this instance, and in the Sean Cavanagh and Paul Grimley incidents, I believe he has overstepped the mark. His motivation for the latter two were purely what I've said above, and the motivation for the first is to protect his vehicle for doing the latter.

In my opinion of course :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:16:04 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

No, Peter Canavan and James O'Connor are there for that. She is an experienced presenter with all the credentials to do the job - Brolly knows exactly what he's doing with his cheap dig, trying to discredit the sky coverage before it even starts. The same way he was sniggering about how Jim White etc were pronouncing some of the counties. He's a little bully boy who needs his little cheerleaders like yourself to keep his own profile. If you are suggesting that a woman is incapable of presenting a GAA show then just come out and say it.

talk about twisting things so suit yourself,because i agreed with brolly on this i am one of his little cheer leaders?grow up ffs,did i say that are incapable of presenting?nope,i said i dont think its a coincidence that they picked a good looking irish girl which by the way is decent at what she does,so actually its you thats comes across as a little bully boy

So you "100%" agree that Rachel Wyse only got the job because she was a "Baywatch Babe" and suggest that she hardly got the job for her "indepth knowledge of GAA". So what do you mean by these statements? Do you know much about her background as a sports person and a presenter? Maybe its a coincidence that she got the job because she has the ability, experience and credentials to do it?

By telling everyone that Joe is correct and we should not be so "bloody niave and self righteous" i would suggest that this is cheer leading his position. Then again Joe is so much more intelligent that the rest of us and I should agree with him. Also he does loads for charity too!


You know what your 100% right,how dare i have a different opinion than yourself,and your comment at the end says it all really.

Agreed. I'm not bothered that you have a different opinion than me - but you said people who disagree with you were naive and self righteous.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on May 21, 2014, 11:18:37 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?

Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:20:10 AM
In fairness to him, he's fairly quick to realise when he has gone a bit too far, and he is good at backtracking a bit without admitting he is wrong. I suppose it's the adversarial profession he is in. Give ground without appearing to give ground.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2014, 11:24:04 AM
Also, just to say, Brolly is off the mark with the 'entrenched beautiful anchor' formula. Women presenters are not the norm in the Premier League, the Rugby or Rugby League. The beautiful anchor, tends to be a sky sports news, or maybe a highlights show.

Jeez man would you calm down.  You are taking the new PC age a bit too seriously. Brolly is funny  articulate, loves the game, highlights the greatness of our games, and exposes the frailties - he also loves to take the p*** and there is no real harm in that.

He's not funny, he is boring and predictable, saying whatever it takes to get a rise or a reaction. His comments are out of line, although not surprising, since Sky are a rival who could do damage to his employer.

I really don't know how anyone that has such a bad habit of talking over others can be described as articulate.

This has become particularly irritating.
Even on sunday  when he had a very capable pundit beside him in tomas o'se,  trying to make a few valid points, he continued to talk over him.
Its bad manners and shows a lack of resepect as much as  anything else
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:24:19 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?

Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment

exactly what i am saying like the "men" you mentioned she was not picked because of her knowledge,look i know as well as the rest of you brolly is OTT on some of his comments but i agree in the meaning of his comment,SKY are ceratinly very aware what works and i believe there is no coincidence in why they picked this girl but in saying that she is a good presenter and fits what sky are looking for perfectly.
By the way unlike Brolly i think sky doing GAA is a good thing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
So the fact that SKY  are using a good looking blonde Irish girl as there anchor is just a coincidence?? i think not,Joe is 100% right,she was hardly picked for her indepth knowledge of GAA!!Dont be so bloody niave and get over your selfrightous bullshit

Sure that's just nonsense - Were Michael Lyster, matt Cooper, Des etc selected for their indepth GAA knowledge?

Brolly back tracked and made his "point" after he was pulled on the original sexist comment

Exactly.
Was Bill O'Herlihy picked for his in-depth soccer knowledge?
The presenter presents, the analyst analyses.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: PAULD123 on May 21, 2014, 11:29:48 AM
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.



Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 21, 2014, 11:35:50 AM
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.

Ah sure if you say that's how they feel, not being a woman and all going by your handle, then sure it's alright!

 ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on May 21, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/sky-sports-make-yet-another-blunder/

Its this sort of sh**e that annoys me. RTE and every other broadcaster have made blunders for years (a quick google search reveals that on RTE radio [a more formal and should be trustworthy medium than twitter], they gave out two wrong hurling results a few weeks ago), but not a word. I resent the targetting of Sky, and of course Brolly is stuck in the middle of it.

He may be self-obsessed, but he is bright, articulate, and can be funny, I'd find it a lot easier to listen to his impassioned speeches though if the hyperbole better hid the fact that his convictions change on a weekly basis. The realisation of this alone should be enough for us not to take him at all seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)

Don Cherry has said worse ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 11:39:03 AM
He might have meant it as an insult but calling her a baywatch babe isn't the worst thing she will be called. I'll bet a lot of girls would be openly offended at the sexist comment but secretly a little chuffed.

They love it as well when you look at their t*ts when you are talking to them. They get annoyed but secretly they love it.  ::)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/sky-sports-make-yet-another-blunder/

Its this sort of sh**e that annoys me. RTE and every other broadcaster have made blunders for years (a quick google search reveals that on RTE radio [a more formal and should be trustworthy medium than twitter], they gave out two wrong hurling results a few weeks ago), but not a word. I resent the targetting of Sky, and of course Brolly is stuck in the middle of it.

He may be self-obsessed, but he is bright, articulate, and can be funny, I'd find it a lot easier to listen to his impassioned speeches though if the hyperbole better hid the fact that his convictions change on a weekly basis. The realisation of this alone should be enough for us not to take him at all seriously.

If the sky gang repeatedly referred to 'Westmeath' as 'Meath', they would be slaughtered.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
just a wee warning foR some of you guys who are offended by brollys comment,DONT WATCH WOLF OF WALL STREET!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:52:45 AM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Is she a TV professional? Rachel Wyse, I believe, was asked to write for the Indo because she was a sports presenter, she wasn't made a sports presenter because her independent articles are so good.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky. 

Also in relation to her Journalistic prowess why does the Indo have to show a full body shot of her alongside her articles? Does this again not reinforce Joe's argument?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky.

You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 11:58:16 AM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky.

You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.

no theres a lady who presents the golf quite alot and if your into your cricket watch the pepsi league on itv4 and you will see 2 lead women who by coincidence are stunning
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on May 21, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
Quote
You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers?

You don't get the analogy?

Pub A = Drink plus Mad Mick Bar Man

Pub B = Drink plus Attractive Bar Maid

Your left to decide.

This is all Sky's masterplan.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Brolly is not making a point at all. He's insulting the woman for no other reason than his nose is out of joint because maybe RTE will have some real competition now. And having a woman as an anchor is no bad thing at all, if she is knowledgeable about sport and sporting competition. I think Evanne Ni Chulainn would do a good job in that role on RTE as well. Watch this space if the Sky approach is successful.

I don't think that's fair AZ. Sure he said himself it's TV3 plus Baywatch babe and he never had a problem with TV3 having some games. He was against Sky from the start because it was a Murdock corporation and the fact it was behind a paywall. I don't think Brolly gives two hoots about competition.

TV3 were never going to be competition for Brolly. The disdain he treats the viewers, and the amateur players he is supposed to enjoy watching, are symptomatic of what I believe to be a serious superiority complex on Joe's behalf. No one is as clever, as witty or as insightful as Joe. Tv3, with their small budget and limited reach were never going to be anything other than a second division irrelevance to him. Sky are a different animal, and if they decide to do it right, or if they get positive viewer feedback, he knows they can completely change the face of TV presentation of GAA, including our tired, stale, cynical analysts. I think it's very unlikely that Joe feels that RTE are in an unassailable position any more, and if Sky make inroads and RTE realise they have to lift their game, the performance of Brolly and Spillane, especially, will be something the Head of Sport looks at first off.

Of course if Joe can influence public perception of Sky and make a laugh out of it, or if Sky do a bad job of it, then RTE's position becomes even stronger, and Joe has a mandate to keep on keeping on for years to come. I think that would be a real pity.

While like you I desperately want RTE to up their game, change tack and get rid of the three Nualas and their "look at me and my smart comments" I don't think it's fair to say that Brolly is only interested in RTE keeping their monopoly or being in it for financial gain. While I've no doubt he enjoys the profile he loves the GAA and what it stands for more. He's taking a principled stand here and while I may not agree with him I respect him for it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:08:20 PM
I'm with Joe on this one. There are a few pubs around me that I wouldn't dream to set foot in if it wasn't for the barmaids.

Same thing here with Sky.

You wouldn't watch Sky if they didn't have attractive female sports news readers? What live sports on Sky are anchored by a woman? I know the soccer highlights show, Saturday choice or whatever it's called, is presented by a woman a lot, but the Rugby, the Premier League, FL72, Boxing, etc. are all anchored by a man as far as I know. Rachel Wyse is probably breaking new ground here actually.

no theres a lady who presents the golf quite alot

That's true. Out of divilment I've just done a search of Sky's presenters (not Sky Sports News now). I think Joe's 'formula' needs rethinking.

Soccer
Premier League
Ed Chamberlin presents Monday Night Football, alongside Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, and Ford Super Sunday, whereas David Jones and Jamie Redknapp present Saturday Night Football.

Football League
Simon Thomas presents the match coverage. Bill Leslie and Don Goodman are the commentators.

Scottish football
David Tanner presents alongside Neil McCann. Ian Crocker, Andy Walker and David Provan are Sky's main commentators.

UEFA Champions League
Jeff Stelling presents Champions League coverage. The main pundits are Jamie Redknapp, Graeme Souness.

Spanish football
The Spanish football is fronted by Scott Minto, along with Guillem Balague and others.

Scores service
Sky Sports broadcasts the studio-based rolling score update shows, Gillette Soccer Saturday presented every Saturday from 12:00 to 18:00 by Jeff Stelling, and Gillette Soccer Special, broadcast on midweek evenings with significant numbers of matches taking place, usually presented by Julian Warren.

Cricket
Coverage is presented by former England captain David Gower and an illustrious commentary team including former captains Nasser Hussain, Andrew Strauss, Michael Atherton and Sir Ian Botham, popular former England batsman and coach and first-class umpire David Lloyd, former West Indian fast bowler Michael Holding and Australian legend Shane Warne, who joined the team during the 2009 Ashes.

Coverage of county cricket is presented and commentated on by former Surrey and England batsman Ian Ward and Charles Colvile.

Other international cricket is presented by Matt Floyd, Paul Allott and Nick Knight in the Sky Sports studio alongside pundits such as Ian Harvey, Jeremy Coney, Colin Croft, Robert Croft, Robert Key, Mark Butcher and Vikram Solanki.

Rugby League
The sport is now seen as being in a healthy state with two or three live matches from the Super League every week fronted by 'Eddie and Stevo' - Eddie Hemmings and former Great Britain World Cup winner Mike Stephenson - who are a rare example of a dual studio-presentation and commentary-box partnership in sports broadcasting.  Barrie McDermott, Terry O'Connor, Brian Carney or Shaun McRae often occupy the guest position.

They also broadcast a weekly midweek rugby league magazine show, Boots 'N' All, during the season; Super League's Super Men, an interview show with legends of the game hosted by Brian Carney and Sam Tomkins;

Rugby Union

Sky Sports' rugby coverage is presented by Alex Payne, James Gemmell and Rupert Cox.

etc etc etc ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.

That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 21, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of.  When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 21, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
not Sky Sports News now

LOL. Indeed, not.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:12:10 PM
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.

And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 12:13:48 PM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.

That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.

When did that become the height of any woman's aspirations?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
not Sky Sports News now

LOL. Indeed, not.

Sorry, the reason I specified that was because Joe implied that Sky Sports 'formula' for presenting sport was with a 'lovely girl' doing the presenting. My list shows that is emphatically NOT the case. The only place where that charge could be levelled at them is on Sky Sports News, but that is a completely different role.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 12:21:35 PM


Ah sure isn't Joe great craic altogether? ::)

Don Cherry has said worse ;)

Don Cherry is a senile 80 year old man. What's Joe's excuse?

Anyway what's that got to do with things?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.

And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.

Ah I know he's only throwing out the comment as a dig and for a bit of devilment, it's his position in relation to Sky that I respect, if not totally agree with.

I've had a pint with the man and been at a roadshow he was on and he couldn't give a monkeys if the analyst job ended tomorrow. He probably doesn't take it as seriously as the rest of us want him to take it if anything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
The primary difference between male and female TV presenters is that female TV presenters have to be good looking.
That's hardly her fault.
She has a competitive sports background, is Irish, works for Sky and seems like an intelligent woman.
Brolly has let himself down badly with that comment.

Why? Is that comment itself not sexist?

That's the reality, not my opinion.

Oh I know it's the reality, do you think it's right though that the eye candy gets the role rather than the most competent woman?

Who would the most competent Irish female sports presenter be then?
That isn't already working for RTE, BBC or TV3, obviously.

What's the name of the red haired female sportswriter who has been writing a lot longer for the Irish Independent than Rachel Wyse has been? Do you think we'll ever see her on the telly?

Cliona Foley?
I've seen her on telly a good few times.
She was on Breaking Ball before, as well as the Marty Morrissey thing that runs during the championship.

That's the one. And you've made Joe's point there. You might see her on the odd show every couple of years but you'll never find her presenting on Sky.

When did that become the height of any woman's aspirations?

I knew a woman once, she died.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of.  When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.

How's it going Joe?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
What?? Croi, I think you're off base on this one. Sky Sports News is where women generally present on Sky Sports. Joe Brolly's position is starting from an incorrect position to begin with. So he's picking on Rachel Wyse explicitly and specifically. There are no (or very few) other women on Sky Sports who present live Sport in this way.

And I think you are giving his motivation far too much credit in my opinion, but you could be right.

Ah I know he's only throwing out the comment as a dig and for a bit of devilment, it's his position in relation to Sky that I respect, if not totally agree with.

I've had a pint with the man and been at a roadshow he was on and he couldn't give a monkeys if the analyst job ended tomorrow. He probably doesn't take it as seriously as the rest of us want him to take it if anything.

but he's completely incorrect in what he said. Not only was it a sly dig at a woman for daring to present the GAA on Sky, but it's based on a non-truth. Namely "SKY's beautiful anchor formula for their overwhelmingly male audience is shamelessly sexist. That is the point."

Sky Sports do not have a 'beautiful anchor formula' for presenting live sport. I've proven that above I think.

He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: shawshank on May 21, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
I do laugh at the comments people make about Brolly and how you cant understand blaa blaa etc etc. Brolly stands in court each day defending all types of people from murders, violent crime, asking brutal questions, hearing brutal stories, trying to find angles to get sentences reduces or get them off etc. A world we know nothing of.  When you put what he deals with daily, a throw away comment is hardly going to tax his conscience, the way it might for you or I.

How's it going Joe?

Not to bad, thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 21, 2014, 12:28:21 PM
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 12:30:17 PM
Seems like the jumped-up little weasel has apologized.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DennistheMenace on May 21, 2014, 12:32:51 PM
Talks before he thinks and ends up eventually having to apologise. He has become a parody of himself.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 21, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 12:40:24 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 21, 2014, 12:58:18 PM
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.

Is there a term for a group of male feminists?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 21, 2014, 01:00:02 PM
careful now..down with this sort of thing..my f**king ass!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 21, 2014, 01:03:08 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Sure how would we know?
Unless she demonstrates detailed knowledge of the movements of the Roscommon bus.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 21, 2014, 01:04:16 PM
Some people on here take themselves way too seriously.

Is there a term for a group of male feminists?

Errr feminists I think.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 01:09:11 PM
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on May 21, 2014, 01:32:10 PM
BBC use more female presenters to present actual sports coverage than Sky. Clare Balding, Hazel Irvine, Gabby Logan and Jill Douglas all regularly anchor live or highlights coverage of various sports.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 21, 2014, 01:32:55 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Most comments are about Joe not Rachel. I found his comments on Sean Cavanagh and Paul Grimley equally inappropriate and unnecessary and believe me I have no gallant wish to save their honour.

Edit* I notice Joe is now suggesting that his comments were supposed to highlight the sexism at Sky Sports, another crusade for the bould Joe - he is such a feminist!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 01:36:10 PM
He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that he's being true to himself and not being all happy clappy for the cameras.

Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.

I haven't read what O'Rourke and Spillane have had to say on the matter, mainly because their columns don't interest me. I'm no doubt some are fighting RTE's battle to preserve their status but I firmly believe that's not Brolly's motivation.

On a different matter Parkinson fairly won that argument, there's a first for everything.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J70 on May 21, 2014, 01:40:17 PM
I have to say Rebecca Lowe does a nice job on NBC Sports coverage of the Premier League. Her cuteness is just a nice little added bonus early on a weekend morning! :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 21, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 21, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.

A weasel tosspot surely?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 21, 2014, 02:43:03 PM
Has Joe's argument really now become that he is pointing out sexism at Sky by labelling its Gaa presenter as a baywatch babe?

As an aside, one of the scariest experiences of my life was attending the Camogie Inter-Varsities ball/dance/drinkathon as a young lad. Holy Jebus! It was like landing in a country where there had been no men, or drink, for decades.

I think they should invite Joe as a guest to the next one of these.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 21, 2014, 02:47:12 PM
**Resurrect the mucksavage thread**
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on May 21, 2014, 02:50:17 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.
I haven't heard that phrase used since "War of the Buttons".
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.
Sure isn't it all a pantomime anyway? I wonder how confident Sky are of getting this thing to work.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: thejuice on May 21, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
Lads, I can't be certain but I don't think Rachel reads this forum.

I don't think she'll have noticed your gallant efforts at saving her honour.

Kinda missing the point, wouldn't you say?

The point, BTW, is that Brolly is a tosspot.


No, you missed my attempt at humour.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 21, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
He's an attention seeking pain in the arse as a GAA pundit, and if he truly doesn't care about his analyst gig, then he's an even bigger tool about it that I thought, because that means he's just being controversial to wind people up, not to increase his profile. I don't believe it though. I think he loves the media profile.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that he's being true to himself and not being all happy clappy for the cameras.

Why do you think EVERY RTE GAA pundit has come out against the Sky deal in their various media outlets? Do all of them share the opinion that it's doing down the people who want to see the games live, even if RTE maintain their quota of games? I didn't realise they loved TV3 that much, even though a fair proportion of Ulster can't get TV3. My arse. It's because they are worried Sky will change the landscape, and they'll be put out to grass.

I haven't read what O'Rourke and Spillane have had to say on the matter, mainly because their columns don't interest me. I'm no doubt some are fighting RTE's battle to preserve their status but I firmly believe that's not Brolly's motivation.

On a different matter Parkinson fairly won that argument, there's a first for everything.
I doubt  that Joe has any agenda to maintain his punditry profile, he already has a profile and a full (almost respectable :)) life outside rte and he doesn't need it. He acts the ass because most probably that's what he does on occasion. He lacks some of the social graces, not because he has some agenda to maintain his profile but probably because his social graces get swamped by his lower standards, on occasion.

Joe got deflected here by Rachel's beauty, didn't realise that she was a professional and he has apologised for his blunder. He got deflected from the argument against Sky.
The argument against Sky is not that they will do a bad job or a superficial job,  but because a FTA package now a package for subscribers only and TV3 (afaia) did not do anything to lose that package. if some Nordies couldn't get access to TV3 then some other solution could have been found instead of suspending a FTA package in favour of a restricted subsription service for everybody.
I would have expected better from Joe as he has been trained to make rational arguments and that's his main job.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 21, 2014, 04:30:48 PM
I would have expected better from Joe as he has been trained to make rational arguments and that's his main job.

Three hours every Sunday, every Summer scrunched up beside Pat Spillane in a glass dogbox makes short work of all training in making rational arguments.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:27:06 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 21, 2014, 05:43:21 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: screenexile on May 21, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Good man O'Neill always sticking up for Tyrone ;)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 21, 2014, 05:56:25 PM
RTE have allegedly issued a statement distancing themselves from Brolly's comments and asked him to stop making such comments.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: armaghniac on May 21, 2014, 06:08:17 PM
There is some evidence that the RTÉ presenters are not Wise.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.

How does Marty circumvent this unwritten rule then?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Old yeller on May 21, 2014, 06:40:50 PM
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Doesnt sound as if she know much about gaelic football to be honest, surely she would have been suited for a job at the BBC with Sidebottom who seems to know very little about gaelic in my opinion, so she wouldnt been put of her depth.

We getting more and more like the NFL all the time, pitchside in the states always has female anyalsts  to update on team changes, pitch side talk etc, I hardly watch the Gaelic on sky and with sidebottom f**king up bbc presentation, it looks like i am stuck with RTE.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2014, 07:20:22 PM
Did you type that on your phone?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 21, 2014, 07:36:02 PM
that i did! quick revision there,
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 21, 2014, 07:37:49 PM
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm

It's 2014 not 1914, no room for those type of comments in this day and age.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 07:43:11 PM
in the history of gaa tv coverage, the most knowledgeable presenter was Pat Spillane - and look how that turned out. Perhaps we should all be grateful, that as an experienced tv presenter and journalist, that Rachel Wyse will at least be able to ask a question and read an autocue.

And as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on May 21, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Get over it ffs! Joe made a joke in bad taste, big wow. A bit of cop on would do no harm

This has been going on from him for a several weeks now - he also had to apologise over his 'Animal farm' comments and deleted those tweets too.

We get he's against the Sky deal. He doesn't have to go on and on about it until we're all bored to tears.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 21, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
Hmmm. Tough one this. To be fair, you rarely get buck ugly weather girls or news presenters.

Stand up for buck ugly women I say.

Brian Moore is rarely on camera. Legendary players like the Claw and Gaillimh don't present TV programmes either. 'A face for radio' applies to men too.

How does Marty circumvent this unwritten rule then?

Beats me.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 21, 2014, 08:00:35 PM
Random fact Cliona Foley is married to former Kerry footballer Dermot Hanafin. We have too much Kerry bias as it is.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ziggysego on May 21, 2014, 08:01:33 PM
RTE have allegedly issued a statement distancing themselves from Brolly's comments and asked him to stop making such comments.

http://www.livegaelic.com/news/rte-warn-brolly-comment-sky-anymore/ (http://www.livegaelic.com/news/rte-warn-brolly-comment-sky-anymore/)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 21, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
And as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.

I have no idea how or where you came to this conclusion ET.

What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 21, 2014, 10:17:58 PM
Croi the inference I was taking from your comments re Cliona Foley was that the reason she is never on TV is because she might not be considered as attractive as Rachel Wyse. If I was wrong to take it as that, I apologise, but I wasn't the only one to read your post that way. On the mobile so I can't do the whole quote thing. Not important anyway, brolly's comments are the thing. btw his apology was absolutely pathetic - I think he has really damaged his credibility - wouldn't be surprised if he had to sit out a few Sundays.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on May 21, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
And as for Cliona Foley, like a lot of journalists, her focus is on her day job, not Tv. To suggest her not appearing on TV more is some sexist conspiracy is actually fairly reductive of her very successful career as a sports writer, and in itself, sexist. Not every woman is dying to be on TV.
You can have a sense of humour and still call out Joe for a horribly misjudged and sexist comment. He should know better. We all should.

What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?

Without quoting them verbatim, the jist of it was that he implied certain people in Croke park were like the pigs in Animal farm - he deleted the tweets and apologised over it.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 09:28:49 AM
Croi the inference I was taking from your comments re Cliona Foley was that the reason she is never on TV is because she might not be considered as attractive as Rachel Wyse. If I was wrong to take it as that, I apologise, but I wasn't the only one to read your post that way. On the mobile so I can't do the whole quote thing. Not important anyway, brolly's comments are the thing. btw his apology was absolutely pathetic - I think he has really damaged his credibility - wouldn't be surprised if he had to sit out a few Sundays.

No worries ET. My point was that you will never find Cliona Foley presenting on Sky Sports as she doesn't fit into their formula, hair colour being an obvious one. Agreed that Brolly's comments were crude and uncalled for in case it needs stating.

What were the "Animal Farm" comments heffo?
Without quoting them verbatim, the jist of it was that he implied certain people in Croke park were like the pigs in Animal farm - he deleted the tweets and apologised over it.

Didn't see them, thanks heffo. You'd think, as a barrister, he'd be able to reign himself in outside of the dog box with no Spillane yapping in his ear.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 22, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
But there you go again Croi - to assume that Cliona Foley is not on telly because she doesn't fit Sky's standards if attractiveness is completely off the mark. Cliona Foley isn't on telly much because she is a print journalist. To bring her in as an example of sky's sexist policy ie she wouldn't make it there completely ignores the fact that she presumably doesn't want to present on sky, has never made any effort to.present on sky, and has never presented on any other programmes on other channels. She has been used as an analyst on Rte and setanta programmes but she probably suffers from the same problem all print journalists do when asked to come into studio to cover breaking news - they are either at the event in question or writing about it. If your proof of sky's sexism is Cliona Foley's absence than you have no proof. However we do gave proof of Joe Brolly's blatant sexism, it is on his twitter feed. That is what we should be concentrating on.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:19:11 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?

In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?

In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.

What is Sky's formula, for presenting live sport?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 10:51:16 AM
Christ on a bike, I know Cliona Foley has zero interest of wanting to appear on Sky Sports. My point is, Sky going on their track record, would never approach or want her on there as she doesn't meet their formula.

Basically, what you're saying is Cliona Foley is not pretty enough for Sky. Is that it?

In Sky's eyes, yes, she doesn't meet their formula.

What is Sky's formula, for presenting live sport?

I think you've already answered that question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 11:34:44 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?

What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?

What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.

Come on now. That's a cop out. You said this is Sky's formula, therefore it should be very easy. I'm not picking on you, but it's just another example of how people believe stuff like this without considering the motivation behind it. Just because Joe says it's the Sky formula, doesn't make it so.

Sky Sports News is wide open to that charge, no argument, but Sky's presentation of live sport is almost the polar opposite. If anything it's a closed shop for Women, and Rachel Wyse is doing something quite rare.

BBC and ITV have more live sports presented by women than Sky, I'd bet on that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

I haven't got the time nor the inclination to research that. To take a name introduced a few pages pack, if Clare Balding was starting her career now, do you think she'd get a job with Sky?

What I want in a presenter is someone who's able to tease answers out of difficult interviewees and ask the tough questions. Take for example Clare McNamara interviewing Brian Cody last summer. She was able to get him to finally give his opinion on whether he thought the referee was right to award a free in a particular incident or not. Now contrast that with Marty Morrissey nearly getting levelled at the end of the 2009 All Ireland final by him. Now if they have a face for telly and are able to read an auto cue on top of that, well that's a bonus, but they should be the last criteria, not the first.

Come on now. That's a cop out. You said this is Sky's formula, therefore it should be very easy. I'm not picking on you, but it's just another example of how people believe stuff like this without considering the motivation behind it. Just because Joe says it's the Sky formula, doesn't make it so.

Sky Sports News is wide open to that charge, no argument, but Sky's presentation of live sport is almost the polar opposite. If anything it's a closed shop for Women, and Rachel Wyse is doing something quite rare.

BBC and ITV have more live sports presented by women than Sky, I'd bet on that.

https://www.google.ie/search?q=female+sky+sports+presenters&safe=off&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=W9l9U7usIYvB7AaL24AI&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=899 (https://www.google.ie/search?q=female+sky+sports+presenters&safe=off&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=W9l9U7usIYvB7AaL24AI&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=899)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 22, 2014, 12:04:27 PM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

golf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
Thanks. You've made my point for me. Every one of them are Sky Sports NEWS presenters. None of them present live sports on Sky Sports. I've already said that a couple of times. Sarah Jane Mee, the red headed lady, presented Football First, or Match Choice a couple of times, as did Clare Balding I think. All the rest are news presenters on SSN, so as I said, Rachel Wyse is actually breaking the 'Formula'.

The Sky Sports presenting 'formula' if there is one, is for Professional 'broadcaster' (male) to anchor the show, with ex-pros in the sport being covered providing the 'analysis', using flashy graphics and gimmicky tools. If the presenter also happens to be an ex-pro (David Gower in cricket, Brian Carney in Rugby Leage) so much the better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:10:16 PM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

golf

Correct. Golf is presented by a woman fairly often. So, is one sport evidence of a formula? In that case TG4's formula is the very same because that blonde girl presents Rugbai beo. And of course Joanne Cantwell presents against the head  on RTE, so it's the RTE formula as well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 22, 2014, 12:11:15 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/darts/news/12286/6606457/meet-the-darts-girls

Meet the Darts girls. An exclusive interview with Jess and Jess courtesy of Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
The walk on girls?? Are you saying that Rachel Wyse's role is comparable to the Darts girls? Lads, ye're losing the plot. Joe Brolly said that Sky's formula is basically a Baywatch Babe and a few analysts. Anyone looking at their presentation of Live sport will know that that is just not the case.

Joanne Cantwell and Máire Treasa Ní Dhubhghail on TG4 are comparable roles to what Rachel Wyse will be doing. Are they adhering to some 'formula' as well?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:15:30 PM
AZ, you're confusing what formula I'm referring to. The formula for a female presenter on Sky is blonde and attractive to red blooded males.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 22, 2014, 12:18:56 PM
The walk on girls?? Are you saying that Rachel Wyse's role is comparable to the Darts girls? Lads, ye're losing the plot. Joe Brolly said that Sky's formula is basically a Baywatch Babe and a few analysts. Anyone looking at their presentation of Live sport will know that that is just not the case.

Joanne Cantwell and Máire Treasa Ní Dhubhghail on TG4 are comparable roles to what Rachel Wyse will be doing. Are they adhering to some 'formula' as well?

Erm, no. Relax.

Those TG4 weather girls... Unreal.

Mairead Ni Chuaig.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: easytiger95 on May 22, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Ah "relax"- classic trollism. Well played.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 12:24:41 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on May 22, 2014, 12:27:11 PM
On the rare occasions RTE have camogie or ladies football analysts I'm sure their looks never came into the criteria used to choose them.....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: moysider on May 22, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

Christ I should hope not! God forbid!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.

Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.

Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyCake on May 22, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: midLouth on May 22, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?

It's the likes of Brolly that will be driving me to watch Sky.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LeoMc on May 22, 2014, 01:12:43 PM
So Joe is forced to say sorry like a 4 year old would in school. He's right and everyone knows he's right. Can we expect a phony Tiger Woods-type apology now?
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When he loses an argument to Parkinson (not even Michael but Colm) he can hardly be classed as right.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 22, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.

Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.

Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D

Jesus, I should hope it is different to what was Brolly was saying. Sky take it to extremes though, like I said, I could never imagine Clare Balding starting off her career there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: sheamy on May 22, 2014, 03:00:32 PM
Ah "relax"- classic trollism. Well played.

I apologise for using the word relax. It was crass, offensive and will not happen again.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneman on May 22, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
I really couldn't give a fcuk if the presenter is male or female, good looking or not as long as they can anchor the show professionally, show some level of GAA knowledge and are prepared to let the pundits talk on the detail of the games.

Bill o'H should be the role model. Know enough to keep the conversations going and be able to provoke a good debate when necessary.

My big fear is that this is reduced to GAA for beginners. That's not what was being sold to the rank and file.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 22, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
Sky have said they won't dumb it down to any great deal.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 22, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Name me a live sport on Sky Sports which is presented by a woman.

Georgie Thompson used to present the Formula 1 until she left.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 07:55:40 PM
Used in Sky Sports News. Not used in any (maybe golf) live sports presenting. joe Brolly doesn't give a continental f**k about blondes on Sky Sports News. He was making a derogatory comment about Sky Sports coverage of GAA, and he made an arse of it. He was trying to insinuate that "this is how Sky do things, look at it, isn't it pathetic". My point is that he's talking through his hole when it comes to live sports coverage.

If he wanted to say that one of the reasons he dislikes Sky is because they parade young good looking women up and down Sky Sports News every day 24 hours a day, then he'd at least be accurate.

Your point seems to be that Sky Sports News use pretty women as a lowest common denominator approach to satisfy their male viewership. You may well be right, you need some hook to keep lads watching a poxy yellow ticker tape 24/7. But my point is that that fact is irrelevant to the discussion about their coverage of live sports, in my view.

But anyway, as other lads have said, this back and forth is ridiculous, and not worth taking too seriously. They are right.

Is there women on Sky that don't meet the above formula? Honest question.

OK. Now I get what you're saying. That is different to what Brolly is saying.

Brolly says their formula is to have a baywatch babe presenting, this is not true.

Your point is that if there *IS* a woman presenting or within camera shot of a Sky Sports camera, she has to be a babe. Now that I haven't checked, but at least I could accept that that is more likely. Again though, as others have said, are there many women on TV who do not fall into that category? Certainly the women on RTE and TG4 I mentioned before wouldn't look out of place on Sky Sports. That seems to be an industry approach rather than a Sky Sports 'Exclusive' :D

Jesus, I should hope it is different to what was Brolly was saying. Sky take it to extremes though, like I said, I could never imagine Clare Balding starting off her career there.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on May 22, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating ,

Ever been to Lavey?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on May 22, 2014, 10:16:05 PM
She'll be no Hazel Irvine. Queen of the female sports presenters!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 22, 2014, 10:17:15 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating ,

Ever been to Lavey?
:)
Not until I get inoculated !!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 22, 2014, 11:01:45 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

That's a big 'if'.
I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on May 22, 2014, 11:18:29 PM
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.
Yeah, if we're going to have a "Baywatch Babe", we may as well pick our own.

Is Aine from Sligo up to much these days?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2014, 12:29:40 AM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!

This will get your motor running Dinny.

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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 23, 2014, 08:05:53 AM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!

This will get your motor running Dinny.

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A beauty, she must be close to 16 hands and look at the grooming....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 23, 2014, 09:02:05 AM
Can someone post pictures of all these female presenters so we can give them marks out of ten? Cheers.
Yeah, if we're going to have a "Baywatch Babe", we may as well pick our own.

Is Aine from Sligo up to much these days?

tried to get her to show up at my brothers stag, no joy. She is some woman :-)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on May 23, 2014, 09:13:03 AM
Rozanna Purcell would be the one sure wasn't she on Celebrity Bainisteoir?????
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ballinaman on May 23, 2014, 09:22:12 AM
Don't mind Roz... Now here's a woman...road frontage and all.
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 23, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
Don't mind Roz... Now here's a woman...road frontage and all.
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Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 23, 2014, 12:24:33 PM
Rachel wyse's accent is a bit grating , but I have read her column in sat indo and was slightly impressed with her knowledge and opinions on various sports but esp hurling and football. So I'd have to say if she actually writes these articles, then she knows enough to merit her job at sky IMO !!

Nothing wrong with her strong Kildare accent!!!
unless D4 now extends into the curragh....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 23, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
K4.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Main Street on May 23, 2014, 06:14:59 PM
It's ironic that Joe has managed to transform a minor newsworthy story, a very missable publicity event  on the scale of events in Ireland,  into a hailstorm of publicity for Sky GAA.

What are the odds that Joe will be sitting in the Sky Sports studio as a pundit one day?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on May 23, 2014, 06:35:41 PM
Absolutely zero chance of that happening
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: babarino on May 23, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
It's ironic that Joe has managed to transform a minor newsworthy story, a very missable publicity event  on the scale of events in Ireland,  into a hailstorm of publicity for Sky GAA.

What are the odds that Joe will be sitting in the Sky Sports studio as a pundit one day?

It would surprise me. Sky don't do unpredictable, which you can't say about Brolly.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 24, 2014, 11:59:25 AM
'I'm in exalted company'
24 May 2014

Rachel Wyse has broken her silence on Joe Brolly's controversial 'Baywatch babe' remark about her.

The outspoken RTE pundit was forced to apologise to the Sky presenter earlier this week after he criticised Sky Sports' new GAA line-up. The former Derry All-Ireland winner had tweeted: "SKY = TV3 plus Baywatch babe" before saying sorry in a later tweet.

Dubliner Wyse had maintained a dignified silence until today when she reflected on the controversy in her Irish Independent column:

"Monday was a perfect day," she wrote in reference to the launch of Sky Sports' GAA coverage at Croke Park.

"Sadly, things changed very quickly. I knew Joe Brolly to be a skilful footballer whom I suspect knows all too well what it's like to be on the receiving end of an off-the-ball 'introduction' - so it was a little ironic that it was a fleeted-footed corner-forward that rolled out a 'welcome' to the world of the GAA.

"Naively, I thought these abilities were the patented forte of corner-backs. I don't know Brolly; I have never met the man. I do know him to be an articulate and opinionated RTE analyst, who shoots straight from the hip - as is his prerogative.

"I have no problem with people's opinions once they are well-founded and without bias. I learned a valuable lesson a long time ago working in the media - some people will like you and some people won't and the sooner you accept the latter, then the easier your career was likely to be.

"Brolly's reference to a 'Baywatch babe' is old ground for the female presenters on Sky Sports News. We cannot control such sentiments. Initially, when I joined Sky Sports, these references were hurtful, now I feel they are nothing more but an insight into the character of the people who express these opinions.

"People see different things in the same picture. But disappointingly, our appearance is deemed to be the reference point as to our ability to do our jobs. I wonder does the same logic apply to female presenters on BBC, ITV or, indeed, RTE. Or perhaps, in some minds, all female presenters across all platforms of programmes are there to entice a male audience.

"I wonder if Brolly was sitting down to pick a ladies football team, would he be happy to disregard someone based upon their appearance? I suspect not and it's disappointing he chose me as an exception.

"Then again, I am in exalted company, as I recall that he identified Sean Cavanagh as an 'exception' in the not too distant past. Watching Cavanagh rescue Tyrone last Sunday, he appears to be a man unscathed. So, hopefully, a month from now, when I reflect on this week, my fate will take a similar route."

She added: "I am well aware of the level of debate that the Sky Sports link-up with the GAA has created and people of Brolly's ilk will ensure the standards of those working on this project are maintained at the highest possible level. And for that, I am grateful. As I was to read his public apology."
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on May 24, 2014, 12:27:56 PM
I knew little about Rachel Wyse, until this week, and had no opinion on her.

Brolly's spat with her changed that, and there is no doubt who has come out of it better.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tommysmith on May 24, 2014, 12:37:43 PM
Good girl Rachel.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Captain Scarlet on May 24, 2014, 12:55:41 PM
Yeah she has come out as a consummate professional broadcaster and Brolly like an idiot. I think he failed to realise that he is not such a big deal and when he went at a Sky TV person they were happy to make hay of it.
As was said it was a total win for them as they were hoping to come across as 'new and fresh' compared to 'stale old RTE'. Then he comes out...played into their hands.
I like Brolly in moderation but too often he ends up not talking about the game at all and goes on some rant on one incident. Also for a GAA man(which he no doubt is) he fairly goes to town on the sport and is happy to brandish it all shite.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hairyUlsterman on May 24, 2014, 05:26:59 PM
I am completely against the Sky Sports move and Brolly is my favourite sports pundit of all time just to add
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BartSimpson on May 24, 2014, 09:14:28 PM
Fair play to ms Wyse, that's a hell of a comeback. I wonder will Rachel expect Joes comeback  :o ;D LOL
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 24, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
You know she can present  GAA if she well capable, but i have doubts she could name the Dublin midfield, who Mark Poland plays for, whos martin Dunne etc, could she name the players of her own county?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 24, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Glensman on May 25, 2014, 11:49:29 PM
You know she can present  GAA if she well capable, but i have doubts she could name the Dublin midfield, who Mark Poland plays for, whos martin Dunne etc, could she name the players of her own county?

You think Des Cahill could tell you who Mark Poland plays for? Come to think of it Spillane and O'Rourke would struggle
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 26, 2014, 01:21:06 AM
Who is Martin Dunne?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: foxcommander on May 26, 2014, 04:40:25 AM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.
She shouldn't be near GAA at all.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 26, 2014, 06:07:39 AM
Why?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 26, 2014, 06:15:38 AM
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: T Fearon on May 26, 2014, 06:50:20 AM
Mark Poland? Wasn't he the lead vocalist in T Rex?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on May 26, 2014, 08:16:52 AM
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.
The job of the presenter is to get the chat flowing. A bit like Gaybo interviewing Padraig Flynn.
Spillane was not up to it because he always felt he knew more than the analysts and that is not the role of the presenter.
 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on May 26, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
Maybe women are supposed to be able to double up as analysts and presenters.

And she can make the tae and sandwiches whilst the experts watch the game!  :o
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on May 26, 2014, 09:42:28 AM
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on May 26, 2014, 09:49:13 AM
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?

I played against him back him way back in College, we played his club team in a challenge one evening. He headed off to play the Rugby full time shortly after that, was a tank of a man even then.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 09:59:37 AM
She's Irish and a consummate professional TV sports presenter. What GAA credentials has Brian carney?

should it matter wheres shes from if she doesnt need to be a expert on the sport she is presenting?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on May 26, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: cockahoop on May 26, 2014, 10:27:16 AM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment

jesus
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?

jesus man dont be going all defensive,i am only asking proacative questions,devils advocat if you like.
for the record i am all for sky and what they bring to the table regarding gaa (especially after watching the highlights rte gave of the tyrone down game last night with commentary which was very obvious that it was done after the match in a studio) and no i certainly would not want niall quinn instaed of rachel,thats what really winds me up on this board,dare to have a different opinion and its turns into a slagging match,very mature
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 26, 2014, 11:11:48 AM
Who is Martin Dunne?

Who has Martin Dunne.

If Martin can do it, it will be Dunne.

Etc.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on May 26, 2014, 11:13:33 AM
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment

jesus
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?
So? She isn't meant to be the expert in the room.

On what criteria do you think she was selected to front sky gaa?

I suppose you think Niall Quinn would have been a more suitable appointment. No presenting skills but at least he's a bloke? Why aren't you questioning Brian Carney's appointment?

jesus man dont be going all defensive,i am only asking proacative questions,devils advocat if you like.
for the record i am all for sky and what they bring to the table regarding gaa (especially after watching the highlights rte gave of the tyrone down game last night with commentary which was very obvious that it was done after the match in a studio) and no i certainly would not want niall quinn instaed of rachel,thats what really winds me up on this board,dare to have a different opinion and its turns into a slagging match,very mature

He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: imtommygunn on May 26, 2014, 11:17:38 AM
They might provide some form of objective analysis too unlike Joe who will just fawn over his current favourites(or chastise individuals to highlight his current bugbear) and forget the rest!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on May 26, 2014, 01:38:31 PM
Some day soon, Joe will just slide off the chair altogether and do his analysis lying on the studio floor.
The only time you will see him is when he grabs Tomas O'Sé's leg to interrupt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Minder on May 29, 2014, 08:29:49 PM
What did Eamonn Delaney say about Brolly ?

Apology to Mr Joe Brolly

On 21st May 2014 I published comments about the barrister and commentator Joe Brolly on Twitter. I accept that those remarks were highly defamatory and entirely untrue. I apologise most sincerely to Mr Brolly.  I appreciate the distress and potential embarrassment such remarks could cause and therefore I have removed the offensive material and undertaken not to repeat it.

Eamon Delaney

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: mick999 on May 29, 2014, 08:40:12 PM
This was it :

@EamonDelaney10: Rock on @JoeBrolly1993, the IRA/INLA cheerleader  ! independent.ie/opinion/analys…

Joe responded :

@JoeBrolly1993: @EamonDelaney10 you will be hearing from my lawyers. Your tweet is untrue and defamatory. Please forward an address for …
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 29, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Joe should sue the fcuker
That's what he and his ilk deserve

You might not agree with what joe says, but this isn't the dail where someone when beaten and can't muster any argument retorts back with the old 'IRA' slander ....
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on June 16, 2014, 12:56:10 AM
Joe was having a field day at Tyrone's and Sean Cavanagh's expense. Tyrone's continual refusal to speak to RTE is detrimental to the teaming would seem.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 02:28:38 PM


Interesting article from Brolly in the GL about how he thinks Donegal could beat the Dubs this year should they meet. He talks about how they line up with a defensive wall of 5 players in front of their 6 defenders. He talks about Dublin thrive on scoring goals (Which I have to agree with. I am amazed how often Dub players go for goals when it's not really on) and how they will get frustrated v Donegal.

This current Dublin team aren't that used to having to the war of attrition style of football  and whilst Mayo put it up to them a bit last year it still wasn't on a par to what we know McGuinness & Co will have in store for them.

To be totally honest I'd love if the two of them had a once off challenge match now as a taster and then the real McCoy was to happen in Sept.  ;)

The Dubs will be just sparring until Donegal come to town imho. Monaghan could give them a game but not to the same extent. Cork & Kerry showed last year how they will lose in a shoot out and Kerry have only 1 very good forward this year.  :o

Can anyone post the article up. I bought the paper
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: highorlow on July 04, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
Quote
To be totally honest I'd love if the two of them had a once off challenge match now as a taster and then the real McCoy was to happen in Sept

FM, i stand corrected but this is not possible this Sept anyhow?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
Even if Meath beat the Dubs or Monaghan/Armagh beat Funegal?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?

Yes it is. Imagine all the 70s greats been wheeled out on RTE doing interviews if it happened! And it could too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Crete Boom on July 04, 2014, 04:02:21 PM
What a pity as I'd love to see that as the AI final.
Is Kerry v Dubs a possibility?

 Well at least the odds are Mayo won't ruin the final for the neutrals this year and should be gone before the semi's ;). Although I would say the Dubs or Donegal or any other county left standing on that side wouldn't mind a handy relaxing All Ireland final plus at this stage it must be like shooting fish in a barrel for hack like Brolly when it is time to fire out a piece for the cheque after Mayo do their eternal September collapse! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on August 27, 2014, 08:50:27 AM

Capitalism. And the Gaa has become a commercial juggernaut. Ok the Gaa gas bills to pay and sends money to clubs all over the country each year.

On Radio Kerry yesterday, former Derry player and TV pundit Joe Brolly ramped up his argument against the fixing of Limerick as the venue by suggesting the establishment of a task force to examine the GAA's ideals under the presidency of Aogán ó Fearghail.

"We need to look at what amateur means, what our ideals are," said Brolly. "What do we believe in - do we believe in any of our core values any more? Decisions are being made behind closed doors and even officials from county boards don't know about them. They are done, we are told, for commercial reasons. But there is a general feeling among many that the commercial juggernaut has left the station.

"What you are seeing is that the GAA is slowly but surely drifting towards capitalism. I have made this point repeatedly and, talking to some high-ranking officials, they feel the same way."

Brolly believes the GAA should forget about hosting American football matches at this time of the year.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/burns-wants-major-replays-to-be-taken-out-of-croke-park-30539898.html#sthash.KUqqC4nR.dpuf
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 10:20:13 AM
WTF is Burns on about?

This appears to be his argument: I would like to see it become established policy. I think it's right that, outside of All-Ireland finals, all replays should be taken out of Croke Park to give other venues an opportunity," said Burns. "I don't like the idea of so many games being played at a half-full Croke Park. I think the atmosphere of a packed provincial ground should be tapped into more.

In conclusion we should abandon Croke Park 'to give other venues an opportunity'. Really? Is that the overriding priority? Other grounds need opportunities so we will move ad hoc fixtures to these grounds? What about the players? What about those who prepare the teams and what about the supporters? No mention of any of these by Burns.

We have Provincial games at provincial grounds.
We have qualifiers at provincial grounds.

We (usually) have the serious business in Croke Park.
We know that Croke Park can take the crowds.

Unexpected Saturday fixtures in Provincial Grounds will have unintended consequences.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 27, 2014, 10:29:10 AM
WTF is Burns on about?

This appears to be his argument: I would like to see it become established policy. I think it's right that, outside of All-Ireland finals, all replays should be taken out of Croke Park to give other venues an opportunity," said Burns. "I don't like the idea of so many games being played at a half-full Croke Park. I think the atmosphere of a packed provincial ground should be tapped into more.

In conclusion we should abandon Croke Park 'to give other venues an opportunity'. Really? Is that the overriding priority? Other grounds need opportunities so we will move ad hoc fixtures to these grounds? What about the players? What about those who prepare the teams and what about the supporters? No mention of any of these by Burns.

We have Provincial games at provincial grounds.
We have qualifiers at provincial grounds.

We (usually) have the serious business in Croke Park.
We know that Croke Park can take the crowds.

Unexpected Saturday fixtures in Provincial Grounds will have unintended consequences.

I kind of agree with him though, i would like to see some of the games at a packed provincial ground rather than a 1/4 full croke park.

I think the quarter finals especially should be in the provincial grounds.
The provincial winners should all get to play their qtr finals at their provincial grounds.
I would like to see the semis kept at croke park though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 27, 2014, 10:38:43 AM
At this stage, outside of the final or maybe a big semi-final match-up, I don't think Croke Park should be used during the Leinster championship.
Regardless of what happens this year, the crowds for Dublin games are only going one way as people are tired of watching non-contests.
Inject a bit of novelty, send more games to Tullamore, Portlaoise, Navan etc.
I've never bought into this craic of players having the automatic right to play in Croke Park.
You should have to earn the right to play there.
Personally, Tullamore is my favourite 'neutral' venue in Leinster and I'd love to go to more games there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: heffo on August 27, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
At this stage, outside of the final or maybe a big semi-final match-up, I don't think Croke Park should be used during the Leinster championship.
Regardless of what happens this year, the crowds for Dublin games are only going one way as people are tired of watching non-contests.
Inject a bit of novelty, send more games to Tullamore, Portlaoise, Navan etc.
I've never bought into this craic of players having the automatic right to play in Croke Park.
You should have to earn the right to play there.
Personally, Tullamore is my favourite 'neutral' venue in Leinster and I'd love to go to more games there.

Amen
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on August 27, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.
Me too. Very little atmosphere.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 11:17:19 AM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.

There was a decent crowd in Croker last Sunday (only Semple could accommodate that number, I think?) and there was definitely nothing lost in atmosphere for it not being at capacity.

Leinster double-header matches tend to draw small crowds and it makes for a very poor atmosphere. Same with a lot of the double-headers in the qualifiers, would be better off in a provincial venue
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 03:01:05 PM
I hate watching matches in Croker when its only half full. Even last week, the top tier was empty at one of the biggest days of the year - it looks very bad. It is nonsense to have built a stadium to cater for your biggest possible crowd, rather than your average expected crowd. Its built now though, so I suppose it has to be used, but imo the games would benefit from being played all round the country in tighter stadia.

There was a decent crowd in Croker last Sunday (only Semple could accommodate that number, I think?) and there was definitely nothing lost in atmosphere for it not being at capacity.

Leinster double-header matches tend to draw small crowds and it makes for a very poor atmosphere. Same with a lot of the double-headers in the qualifiers, would be better off in a provincial venue

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: haranguerer on August 27, 2014, 03:47:16 PM
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.

I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.

I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.

What revenue will go to Tuam, Clarinbridge and Claregalway?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Msgr. Horan on August 27, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
Whos talking about short notice? And by choking, do you mean 'spreading revenue amongst'? Say what you want, unless a stadium is full the atmosphere suffers. Its built now, it'll have to be used, but it seems to have been like Celtic Tiger houses, f**king massive for no good reason.

I used to watch Aussie Rules on tg4 and think how s**te it must be if all their stadiums are half empty, it took me only a little time to realise our own half empty stadium no doubt puts out the same impression.
Good point, the problem is not really a half full Croke Park, its all these fecken white elephants around the country used once a year that have put county boards in debt. Tis like the mid 00's, everyone had to have a holiday home.
I half think this has been a strategy by the GAA to stop the inevitable argument for pay for players, pretty soon with the debt in Croke Park paid off and the millions still rolling in from extra curricular activities, and all the white elephants built there will be nowhere to put the money soon seeing as they dont really give much to clubs. Maybe they'll have to do that - give more to the clubs - shock horror.
And before anyone says they do give it to the clubs, I know the Munster Council got a million last year why are their fees of up to and over €1000 to enter adult club teams into competitions? Where does that money go? Why do we all have to fundraise for pitches and pitch developments, gear and all that. I'm also involved with a rugby club and its way easier to source funds centrally in rugby than it is with the GAA club. We did match floodlights last year and 60% came from central funding and grants. I know theres a smaller base of clubs in rugby but the GAA has WAY more revenue streams than the IRFU, and the GAA have feck all employees. Something doesnt add up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on August 27, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
If Dublin were in the semi-final, what would be the chances of having the game played outside of the capital? Its hard enough to get them playing out of Croker at the best of times.

precedent is no real benchmark - the new croke park and the ulster rivalry of Tyrone v Armagh brought ulster finals to Croke Park - when there was savage interest in these games 65,000 people would turn up (i think that was the peak crowd)....

In another year with no american football, this would not have been an issue - would have been in croker regardless.

fact remains that the GAA need to plan better - the brooks fiasco, american football...joke for an organisation of this scale...Jarlath Burns is putting forward suggestions that should have been mentioned ages ago....cover all eventualities ......
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:12:27 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on August 27, 2014, 05:14:14 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You’re some man to know about roads tbf Sid!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:19:06 PM

"We need to look at what amateur means, what our ideals are," said Brolly. "What do we believe in - do we believe in any of our core values any more? Decisions are being made behind closed doors and even officials from county boards don't know about them. They are done, we are told, for commercial reasons. But there is a general feeling among many that the commercial juggernaut has left the station.

"What you are seeing is that the GAA is slowly but surely drifting towards capitalism. I have made this point repeatedly and, talking to some high-ranking officials, they feel the same way."

I hope Joe will also be speaking out against sponsor's names on jerseys. And sponsors of competitions. And team holidays. And the professional administration and others employed by the GAA such as Games Development Officers. And the corporate money that helped to build Croke Park. And anything like that.

What does amateur mean? I don't think a very long debate needs to be had about that. I think it's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 05:39:06 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 05:44:59 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
You've the local knowledge. You tell me. Does the N5 go through any small towns?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:00:39 PM

Exactly, there was a great atmosphere. What is wrong with people that you want to choke some random small towns, at short notice, in favour of a day out at Croke Park?
Of course the road from Mayo to Dublin doesn't go through any small towns whatsoever.

You are the self-proclaimed expert, you should know.
You've the local knowledge. You tell me. Does the N5 go through any small towns?

I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:15:37 PM


I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.

You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?

Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.

Convenience, eh?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM


I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.

You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?

Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.

Convenience, eh?

Wow, that would dilute the match traffic, wouldn't it? See, 3 different ways for the match traffic to go, and that is only the supporters who don't take the train which further dilutes things. Add to that the fact that the N5 is a National Primary Route with only a handful of towns on it, some so small they don't even have traffic lights and don't cause delays and you are laughing.

But of course traffic will all merge on the way to Limerick. Have you got this bit yet?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:39:50 PM


I wouldn't presume to lecture such a cartographical colossus as yourself.

By the way, is the N5 the only way to Dublin from Mayo?
Thanks. Admitting I'm right is a start for you.

You'll have noticed from a post I made on another thread that I mentioned the N60. Now, seeing as you say there's more than way from Mayo to Dublin, I'll take it you have the N60 in mind. Do tell us, with your unrivalled local knowledge, does this wonderful, wide road go through any small towns itself?

Hell, if you were so inclined and from a southerly part of Mayo, you could even go to Galway first and travel to Dublin along the whole length of the M6. Now I'll take the lead here with my local knowledge of routes out of Galway. Galway is not nearer to Dublin than Limerick is. In fact you'll find it's a full 70 miles further away.

Convenience, eh?

Wow, that would dilute the match traffic, wouldn't it? See, 3 different ways for the match traffic to go, and that is only the supporters who don't take the train which further dilutes things. Add to that the fact that the N5 is a National Primary Route with only a handful of towns on it, some so small they don't even have traffic lights and don't cause delays and you are laughing.

But of course traffic will all merge on the way to Limerick. Have you got this bit yet?
Oh, but what about this huge amount of extra support Mayo would bring to Croke Park, you know all the people who can't go now that it's in Limerick?

And tell me this, does all traffic from Mayo merge onto the same road at Kinnegad when coming to Dublin, or does it not? Have you got this bit yet?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on August 27, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:42:20 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?
And the last 63km into Limerick s motorway too.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?

Of course it is.

Not much point continuing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?

Of course it is.

Not much point continuing.
Agreed. No point embarrassing yourself even further.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
That's a motorway? Kinnegad is bypassed now isn't it?

Of course it is.

Not much point continuing.
Agreed. No point embarrassing yourself even further.

Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:08:24 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:12:31 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 07:36:30 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 27, 2014, 07:42:57 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.

You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 27, 2014, 08:08:20 PM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.

You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.
Terribly upset.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on August 28, 2014, 09:37:28 AM


Ah Jebus, you played the old primary school classic.

What am I supposed to do now, I've forgotten?
I'd suggest you start making tracks for Limerick. Couldn't leave yourself too much time.

The irony coming from a Dublin supporter is fantastic.


BTW was this you on your way to Waterville?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0827/639726-fridge-newry/)

An alleged restaurant burglar claims he became trapped inside a fridge while looking for toilets, the High Court in Belfast heard today.

Sean McAvoy told police he got lost inside The Bank Bar and Bistro in Newry, Co Down.

Aw diddums. Dublin supporter being late insult. That cuts deep, real deep. Don't go all primary school on me, now. If it's any consolation to you I'll do my best to drag my coke-addled body out of Quinn's and down Clonliffe Road after the Aston Villa-Hull match on Sunday in time for kick-off at Croke Park. Woops, nearly forgot - throw in - it's a throw-in in Gaaaah.

Given that you think the road from Dublin to Waterville goes through Newry, you're definitely right to be worried about getting from wherever in Mayo you live to Limerick. Hint: don't go through Derry.

You are the one advising about leaving enough time to get to Limerick. And then you get all upset when the obvious home run is struck on that one.


Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on August 28, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Serious chemistry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Sidney on August 28, 2014, 10:44:55 AM


Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other
Well, it is Gay Pride day in Limerick on Saturday so I suppose it would be rude not to get into the spirit of things.

Will Mayo's new Rose of Tralee be making an appearance, I wonder?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on August 28, 2014, 04:37:29 PM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2014, 06:31:42 PM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.

saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry

NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.

You go girl !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on August 29, 2014, 09:33:06 AM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.

saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry

NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.

You go girl !


Mike if your ma wants it in the closet, you am i to disappoint?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on August 29, 2014, 09:42:21 AM
Sledging on the board. Who'd have thought it ?.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on August 31, 2014, 12:32:18 PM
Joe will have to be disciplined soon.

Did he really announce on the Saturday game that there couldn't be a replay in Croke Park next week due to a Mc Donald's family fun day event being held there ?.

Cheeky !  :)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 31, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2014, 02:37:34 PM

Lads get a room and ride the hole aff each other

That says a lot more about you than anyone else.

saturday might be the first taste this year for some back-door action for Kerry

NaomhBridAbu is definitely coming out of the closet in a big way.

You go girl !


Mike if your ma wants it in the closet, you am i to disappoint?

Your ma is so ugly she turned you off women. How was the parade ?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on September 03, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: ONeill on September 03, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.

He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.

Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on September 03, 2014, 11:12:00 PM
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.

He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.

Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.

Joe was never grate.  :D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 10:05:11 AM
I never really minded Joe but he needs to get back to what works best.

He seems to think that every point he makes now is a monumental moment. Pat interrupted him last week mid-monumental-point and he huffed like a child.

Joe is good but is starting to grate a bit.

O'Neill you've hit the nail on the head well - Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: J OGorman on September 04, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: DuffleKing on September 04, 2014, 12:43:36 PM

They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on September 11, 2014, 12:20:17 AM

They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality

RTE/TG4 have the best pundits on the telly if only they would use them more. Unashamed to say they are both from West Kerry.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 02:20:26 AM

They have contributors with reasoned and analytical opinions on the game. RTE serve up dirge. Pre ordained and inevitable market share is not any commentary on quality

RTE/TG4 have the best pundits on the telly if only they would use them more. Unashamed to say they are both from West Kerry.

You always were a cut above 5Sams.  ;D
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 07:05:05 AM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 11, 2014, 09:26:59 AM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I think it is a better version of the TV3 coverage (which was already better than RTE to start with)
I think you are being harsh on Rachel Wyse,  she presents the show well and has as much a clue about the game as Lester does at times.
The big thing is that they actually discuss the game at hand and its incidents and tactics rather than the pundits using it as a soapbox for their own agendas and trotting out the same cliched views every week.
In fairness to RTE tomas o'se has been a breathe of fresh air, but they need a lot more like him and a clear out of the rubbish we have had to endure for years.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 10:20:46 AM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.
To be honest, I think it is a better version of the TV3 coverage (which was already better than RTE to start with)
I think you are being harsh on Rachel Wyse,  she presents the show well and has as much a clue about the game as Lester does at times.
The big thing is that they actually discuss the game at hand and its incidents and tactics rather than the pundits using it as a soapbox for their own agendas and trotting out the same cliched views every week.
In fairness to RTE tomas o'se has been a breathe of fresh air, but they need a lot more like him and a clear out of the rubbish we have had to endure for years.

Correct. I think Rachel Wyse has been fine, in her role. She understands sport, and the dedication it takes. She also has an insight into the GAA in terms of it's place in Ireland. As an 'anchor', that's all you need. I don't see the need for Brian Carney as well mind you, I think he and Rachel could alternate presentation duties, or better again let him host a proper mid week review/analysis program, and let Rachel keep the Sunday/Saturday gig.

In general I think Sky's approach has been good. Not because of loads of technical wizardry, but because they have been generally upbeat and positive about the games and the players, as I expected they would be. It stands in stark contrast to the Football pundit(s) on RTE who are anything but, normally.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.

Just out of interest - what gave you the impression that Rachel Wyse had no clue about the game? I think she's done a decent job and left it to the analysts to analyse - which they have done without the need to resort to personal insults and generalisations.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2014, 12:37:34 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Ciarrai_thuaidh on September 11, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Repeating a "joke" he used on Twitter earlier in the week

brollly is getting a little bit out of date...the format of that show, bar the soundtrack, will have to change for next year, given what sky are at...maybe its time joe took time out

what are Sky at apart from moving the TV3 show to a platform with less people who provide the games being able to watch? RTE could mimic Sky OK and employ Keith Woods and Rosanna Davidson to front the show. Oh, and buy a big wall mounted tablet as a display....WHAMMY !

Yes that would be an improvement. They could also get main pundits who know about modern tactics and who aren't purely there to cause controversy and big up their own profile.

Only paid passing attention to Sky coverage, but it's a fairly TV3-esque effort alright. Brian Carney discussing tactics and Rachel having no clue about the games make a slight farce of it. Paul Earley is from the Tommy Carr school of co-commentary also.
Still bugs me less than RTE giving airtime to clueless numptys like McHugh, O'Hara, Carney, Carr and sadly Spillane has to be included also. I mean Carney seems to be their go-to man as Co-commentator and he can't control his own emotions for a start when Mayo or Donegal are playing..it's embarrassing.

Just out of interest - what gave you the impression that Rachel Wyse had no clue about the game? I think she's done a decent job and left it to the analysts to analyse - which they have done without the need to resort to personal insults and generalisations.

Not knowing the names of players/mentors without glancing at notes (or being prompted) from recollection. I didn't expect her to be an expert obviously. I tuned out from Sky coverage after a couple of games to be honest when I saw Senan Connell appear...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on September 11, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there

She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 01:07:03 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there

She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.

Maybe not the latter. Jamsie O'Connor would be mortified. He looks like a lad after making his confirmation at the best of times.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke  for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.

Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.

I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2014, 03:19:08 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke  for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.

Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.

I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)

I wouldn't fault Rachel for that as more experienced commentators on RTÉ were wondering when Henry would appear as if it was inevitable, with Cody duly obliging with 5 minutes to go. Cody obviously thought Henry would have an impact as well.

I like Henry, fantastic hurler and all that, but his intercounty race is run and a monumental run is has been. I don't think we'll see the likes of it again in my lifetime.
I think I said back in the spring that if Kilkenny do win an AI it would be off the backs of the Fennelly's, Paul Murphy, Richie Hogan and Richie Power and not Henry. I still stand by that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 11, 2014, 03:20:55 PM
I don't know why people are picking on Rachel Wyse for having no clue about the game when there's Spillane, Carney, Morrissey, Carr, etc. out there

She needs to get herself a catchphrase a la 'Very much so' or 'Huuuuuge one in' before I can take her seriously.

That would get the boys on this board fairly excited if she starting talking about huge ones...
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
Haven't got Sky, but did big Daíthí get the call to go over along with all the other TV3 pundits?

Jamesie and Ollie Canning were the analysts the last day and Nicky English was doing co-commentary. I think Nicky's very good. He tells ya things like "Colin Fennelly is a great athlete and ball-carrier but his first touch is poor" which is the kind of info I'm looking for from an analyst. And in the Galway v Tipp game he spotted very early on that there was a total mismatch for pace between Seamie Callanan and Ronan Burke. Callanan skinned Burke  for the vital goal with 20 minutes to go.

Would agree that Rachel Wyse knows little enough. She was asking Ollie and Jamesie after the game about the huge impact bringing on a legend like Henry Shefflin can have. The two boys looked a bit puzzled since Henry had made absolutely no impact.

I'd question the value in bringing on Henry at this point in his career. It gets a big cheer but not much else(aside from the late point against Galway which was almost the match-winner.)

I wouldn't fault Rachel for that as more experienced commentators on RTÉ were wondering when Henry would appear as if it was inevitable, with Cody duly obliging with 5 minutes to go. Cody obviously thought Henry would have an impact as well.

I like Henry, fantastic hurler and all that, but his intercounty race is run and a monumental run is has been. I don't think we'll see the likes of it again in my lifetime.
I think I said back in the spring that if Kilkenny do win an AI it would be off the backs of the Fennelly's, Paul Murphy, Richie Hogan and Richie Power and not Henry. I still stand by that.

Henry came on against Limerick and made a big impact in just upsetting the Limerick half back line who were well on top at the time. He won ball, hopped off lads, and set the tone for the Kilkenny forwards.

I'm not sure the Tipp lads would pay much heed to that, but at the same time if he got a small bit better on his first touch in the play leading up to the controversial free at the end, he'd have maybe hit the winner.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Asal Mor on September 11, 2014, 04:13:34 PM
Yeah he got stuck in against Limerick and made a contribution to be fair. And they were behind when he came on that day. Think the rain and slower game might have suited him though.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on November 16, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: INDIANA on November 16, 2014, 04:37:27 PM
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.

Probably had a liquid lunch wouldn't be the first time
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on November 16, 2014, 08:34:35 PM
Anyone hear Joe on Off the Ball with Paul Kimmage earlier today?
Jesus, whatever about the telly stuff, he should never be let near a radio interview again.
He started off by cursing profusely, then when he was taken to task he said everyone curses so what difference does it make (bear in mind this is Sunday lunch-time radio).
Then he proceeded to talk over everyone else and stifle any sort of reasonable discussion.
I turned it off after about 5 minutes.

Probably had a liquid lunch wouldn't be the first time

Quit with this guff for the love of god
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: tyroneboi on November 16, 2014, 08:34:45 PM
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on November 16, 2014, 08:35:55 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!

I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: 5 Sams on November 16, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!

I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.

Probably not but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he ever meets him.......assuming Roy knows who the wee Bollox is!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Itchy on November 16, 2014, 08:44:04 PM
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
Apart from the cursing and the talking over everyone...I'd say his biggest problem is saying live on air that Roy Keane has "deep seeded psychological issues". Can't wait to see that row!

I'm sure Roy Keane couldn't give two shites what Joe Brolly says about him.

Probably not but I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he ever meets him.......assuming Roy knows who the wee Bollox is!

If he doesn't, I am sure Joe will tell him quick enough.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: twohands!!! on November 16, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.

I am Joe's complete lack of awareness.

It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.

Anyone know if Joe's been back on RTE Radio since he had the row with Des Cahill during the summer?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: hardstation on November 16, 2014, 09:19:37 PM
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.

It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.
What??
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2014, 09:28:37 PM
“His towering rages, the way be behaves, the constant craving for publicity. The guy would walk over crushed glass to get to a mic.”

No he's not talking about himself - pot kettle and black etc!!

Joe has very accurately described himself there.

It's not just a case of the pot calling the kettle black - I'd say it's almost a case of the kettle calling another kettle a kettle.
What??

Kettle.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Hardy on November 16, 2014, 09:29:38 PM
Or, in Foxrock, cows.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 07, 2015, 09:36:32 AM
I have to say, he made a lot of sense on Newstalk last night regarding fixtures and the sustainability, and some might say the morality, of the current model for inter-county football.
Worth a listen.

http://www.newstalk.com/player/home/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/74212/joe_brolly__gaelic_football_is_depressing (http://www.newstalk.com/player/home/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/74212/joe_brolly__gaelic_football_is_depressing)
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 07, 2015, 04:30:43 PM
Just listened to it there now.

The man is one the money. The power brokers have a different agenda to the 95% of the the GAA population.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: From the Bunker on January 07, 2015, 05:23:30 PM
Money has to be made. Players are disposable. And sure at best you'll get 10 years out of any inter county player. They used to worry about the Aussies stealing players, but they have realised there are plenty of fish in even our small pool. Nothing to worry about there is a new hero around the corner. Many of today's footballers will realise when they get older and are suffering from different chronic injuries just how much they were taken advantage of. Youth is a mad place because you cannot for the life of you envisage being old and being a cripple from sacrifices. 
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 07, 2015, 05:29:39 PM
I think it's a bit OTT to be talking about cripples etc. and I don't think the physical implications of the increased level of commitment is what Joe was getting at.
The issue is that whereas in years gone by, your career may develop more slowly because you were a county footballer, now you effectively cannot start your career because you are an inter-county footballer.
There are too many lads going from scholarship to scholarship as Joe says and delaying their entry into the real world.
What are their prospects when they hit 29/30?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 07, 2015, 06:44:08 PM
I don't usually have a lot of time for Joe's comments but on this issue he is bang on. Often the most simple solutions to problems are the best and this is a very straight forward idea which would be easy to implement. Running the league from January to March and the championship April to July makes perfect sense. Leaving half the year for the clubs is essential if we are to cater for the majority of players who participate in our games. He is also right about players welfare with regards to their careers. This is an area which has been neglected over the years and giving a lad a job as a coach or a scholarship for another degree to play more football is not looking after their best interests. I hope in this instance his comments are taken on board by the powers that be.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 06:57:49 PM
I'd agree with his sentiments but his solution is not in the best interests of the GAA IMO and ignores a lot of realities, like getting hurling folk to agree to playing in January and February, the minor All Ireland can't be played in June (so clubs can't necessarily swing into action in July), family holidays in July/August impacting on club fixtures, getting club championships to all Ireland completion by early December. We've too few games for all players with some playing on far too many teams. I'm not sure Joe's solution addresses that.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 07, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
I'd agree with his sentiments but his solution is not in the best interests of the GAA IMO and ignores a lot of realities, like getting hurling folk to agree to playing in January and February, the minor All Ireland can't be played in June (so clubs can't necessarily swing into action in July), family holidays in July/August impacting on club fixtures, getting club championships to all Ireland completion by early December. We've too few games for all players with some playing on far too many teams. I'm not sure Joe's solution addresses that.

There's going to be problems whatever way you try to do it but the current situation is not working. The hurling championship only has about 12 or so teams so it should be able to find a way to condense the season on their own without causing a workable solution in football to be found. And if we base the fixtures around people going on holiday then we may as well forget trying to find any solution. If that does become a big issue would there be any merit in running the club championships from January to June and the Inter county from July to the end of October/ mid November?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
Your right Benny there is no problem free solution but I don't think it's as easy as saying IC for 6 months club for 6 months. The problems are more complex than that, for example if you are starting IC in January then training will have to start in November when clubs are coming to the end of their season how do those equations balance out. In saying that, what we have currently is possibly the worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: BennyHarp on January 07, 2015, 08:29:45 PM
Your right Benny there is no problem free solution but I don't think it's as easy as saying IC for 6 months club for 6 months. The problems are more complex than that, for example if you are starting IC in January then training will have to start in November when clubs are coming to the end of their season how do those equations balance out. In saying that, what we have currently is possibly the worst case scenario.

Yes, I agree that the problems are a bit more complex than just splitting the year but if we are starting from scratch with the fixtures and trying to get all competitions run off in a calander year then getting a defined season for club and county as perhaps the two most important areas to cater for first, may be a good starting point to work from. We can try to manage the other problems around this structure with perhaps a redefined minor championship being part of the solution with an u20 competition replacing minor and u21 running along the senior championship with no players allowed to compete in both.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 07, 2015, 08:57:35 PM
Yep, breaking the multi team representation model is vital in my opinion. We do need to get radical about the problem, of that there's no doubt.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 07, 2015, 09:01:26 PM
I think this will be Joe's new crusade over the next few months and if it isn't debated now (and more importantly action taken) it will be forgatten come championship and another year will be lost. Ironically the GPA have done absolutely nothing on this matter to the best of my knowledge and like him or loathe him my money would be on Brolly in producing lively debate and effecting change over the GPA any day of the week. I'm sure there are plenty of people who know county players who loathe the sacrifices and slog that is getting worse every year but who will say nothing because of the pressure put on them by their peers and management to not let their county down.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: JoG2 on January 07, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
The GPA are doing nought. ..a few self servers on an undisclosed wage  paying lip service to some of the countries elite players whilst jet setting around the world.  Those chancers don't  wanna rock the boat I'd imagine
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: theskull1 on January 08, 2015, 09:28:07 AM
Joe's ability to carry and argument is standing his position in good stead. A man with lesser skill would be attacked and squashed by those at (in those overly interested in) the revenue generating end of the GAA. We're very lucky to have him.

Id say those people are going to hold their hands to their ears and hope it all blows over. The question is will it? How do we force this issue to get addressed?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Applesisapples on January 08, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bingo on January 08, 2015, 09:55:46 AM
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.

This is an extremely dangerous position to go down for a number of reasons. One been that the gap between the successful sides and the cannon fodder will only grow. We already see it in some counties where the best players aren't playing intercounty because they see more benefit in playing with their club i.e. chance of success, no hammerings, half the work etc. This would only happen more.

You'd be faced with a big club and county divide. This mightn't matter in the big urban centres but at grassroot level round the country it would soon become a problem.

There has be a balance somewhere in the middle for everyone.

More and more the GAA at all levels is turning into big business and volunteers will only facilitate this for a time, generally volunteers don't do business.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: bannside on January 08, 2015, 09:59:10 AM
Joe is 100% here. Not too many of the GAA bigwigs will be queueing up to take him on either. It's a mess as it stands and the game is worse off for it.

The fun is fast going out of the game and so too is the enjoyment of playing or watching it.  Wouldn't fancy being a forward at all in today's game.

And for all the bluster, not one meaningful change was implemented to prevent burnout.

There is still a period in the calendar whereby a talented young player could be under pressure to train, play, or if not, "still come along anyway to show your face" with four different teams. County U 21's and seniors, as well as club and university. Crazy altogether, and in all this by far the biggest lose is the player himself who will be either burned out early, tired all the time, or simply get fed up with all the pressure.

Go on Joe. This time the vast majority of GAA followers are behind you.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
I agree with Brolly here. The intercounty game is destroying the GAA and the great bastions of protecting players are to the forefront of the drive to professionalise the game. The GPA are completely unfit for their stated purpose but many of us realised that their stated purpose was only a cover. It always really been about money with them. Intercounty players might have got less gear and money pre-GPA but I guarantee they enjoyed it an awful lot more. The powers that be in Croke Park also stand indicted for allowing this to happen. They're even worse.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 08, 2015, 10:50:52 AM
If it was always about the money before then it's now even more so about the Ł.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2015, 11:04:42 AM
This is what I was saying on another thread. Even an amateur organisation, and maybe especially an amateur organisation the size of the GAA, requires money, and lots of it, to keep things ticking over and to provide the facilities and support to our counties, clubs and players.

For this, you need a business model, and you need businessmen to implement the business model.

Our problem, to me, seems to be that the raison d'etre for the business model in the first place is being lost, and everything is focussed on maximising and growing the revenue streams with no obvious controls in place to make sure that the money is a means to an end (i.e. to help run the GAA and to support our games) rather than the games becoming a means to growing the business, which appears to be the case at the moment.

We need to recalibrate what the GAA is all about, and cop on to ourselves. An amateur organisation needs enough money to keep it running, and to help with facilities, coaching, expenses etc. That should be a finite, identifiable monetary amount.

We seem to be just aiming to grow and grow, and continue to invest and invest in large scale projects that may not be needed at all. So we spend more and more money, we make more and more money, and then we try to figure out ways to make even more money and grow the balance sheet.

When your focus moves into that sphere, it doesn't take long for the actual games, and the people playing them, to be left behind in the consciousness.


This drive for money doesn't fully explain or address the attitude that has become prevalent in terms of living like a monk in order to be successful, but it is a contributing factor in the way the games are scheduled, and various other CCCC type decisions.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Jinxy on January 08, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 08, 2015, 11:11:48 AM
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?


I think most people feel the sponsors of the All Ireland championships will cut funding for a shortened season?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2015, 11:15:24 AM
Why do people think there would there be a significant loss of revenue though?

From what Jinxy?

I'm talking about the general drive behind a lot of current policy and decisions from Croker seems to be driven largely by how it translates to to the revenue streams. I mentioned a few on the other thread.

If you're asking why Brolly's suggestion wouldn't be accepted, I'm not sure that it wouldn't, but some of the revenue considerations would be....

Direct competition with Premiership Soccer and Rugby, which both finish up at the end of May. This competition may impact attendences and will certainly impact on media coverage. Less media coverage = less money.
Shorter championships with less games would mean less gate receipts, and less revenue from TV. (I'm not sure if Brolly is proposing that, but I am :) )
Club only in the height of summer = a huge gap in the TV schedule which was perfect for the GAA. I think the GAA want to increase their profile, not decrease it.


Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: muppet on January 08, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
This is what I was saying on another thread. Even an amateur organisation, and maybe especially an amateur organisation the size of the GAA, requires money, and lots of it, to keep things ticking over and to provide the facilities and support to our counties, clubs and players.

For this, you need a business model, and you need businessmen to implement the business model.

Our problem, to me, seems to be that the raison d'etre for the business model in the first place is being lost, and everything is focussed on maximising and growing the revenue streams with no obvious controls in place to make sure that the money is a means to an end (i.e. to help run the GAA and to support our games) rather than the games becoming a means to growing the business, which appears to be the case at the moment.

We need to recalibrate what the GAA is all about, and cop on to ourselves. An amateur organisation needs enough money to keep it running, and to help with facilities, coaching, expenses etc. That should be a finite, identifiable monetary amount.

We seem to be just aiming to grow and grow, and continue to invest and invest in large scale projects that may not be needed at all. So we spend more and more money, we make more and more money, and then we try to figure out ways to make even more money and grow the balance sheet.

When your focus moves into that sphere, it doesn't take long for the actual games, and the people playing them, to be left behind in the consciousness.


This drive for money doesn't fully explain or address the attitude that has become prevalent in terms of living like a monk in order to be successful, but it is a contributing factor in the way the games are scheduled, and various other CCCC type decisions.

This sounds a bit like the FF/PD/Green coalition strategy for the property market. That ended well.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: rosnarun on January 08, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
people forget thats it almost an anomaly that the GAA exist in anything like its present form. The great Green  eyed god og soccer with its insaitable desire for cash has to keep growing and growing and take out as many other sports as possible . if it is to keep fundings its players Messi supposed to be offered 500K Sterling a week would keep most counties solvent for the year.
to comete with that The GAA need more meaningful games in better facilities ,
is it possible?  does it mean fewer teams ala rugger with just 4 teams and neverending hype, or do we go the way of basketball here getting smaller and smaller each year.
I think if your not growing your dying
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Bazil Douglas on January 08, 2015, 11:00:32 PM
I think the time has come for County players to be totally withdrawn from clubs whilst they are in the first 26. This is harsh on clubs granted but it would be easier on the player and he has a choice.
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You got to remember the GAA is were it  is  because of its voluntary ethos (bar a minority of mercenaries) remove the county player from the parochial  club set up and it wont belong before you dont have the IC player set up.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: yellowcard on January 11, 2015, 03:55:51 PM
Brolly on RTE radio talking about fixtures, overtraining and player welfare. The ball has started rolling on this.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2015, 08:08:55 PM
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.


I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.

I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.

There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA.  Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?

It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: LCohen on January 11, 2015, 08:22:04 PM
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.

  • The integrity, traditions, and local rivalries of the provincial championships are retained.
  • If you shut the back door and go to a straight knockout with no All-Ireland quarter finals, the prestige of the provincial championships is restored beyond question.
  • Abolition of the league means that the championship season (which is the real money generator) is extended but the overall inter-county season is shortened and creates more room in the calendar for the clubs.
  • A round robin provincial championship means that teams get a lot more then two guaranteed games, making them a better deal for sponsors.
  • You have more control over who plays in the first game, so you can open the competition with a bang by bringing two big hitters together.
  • It's a simpler and more understandable format than the current convoluted modified knockout competition that's almost impossible to diagram.

I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.

I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.

There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA.  Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?

It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.
misses on huge point. For the most part players don't play too much (actually they should play more). They need to train less.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Throw ball on January 11, 2015, 08:51:59 PM
Agree with your last point LCohen. How many players when they have no Gaelic to play take to soccer or rugby or the like.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 11, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
But surely with there being so many competitions, if you cut back on the number of inter-county games they'll be under less pressure to train so much?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
Somebody mentioned that we train 12/13 times for every match ?. Surely that ratio is too high ?.

Has anyone the proper figures on this ?. Pre season soccer compared to Gaa - how long is pre season professional soccer ( not that we can fairly and / or accurately compare ) ?.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Zulu on January 11, 2015, 11:53:25 PM
There's no need to choose between player welfare and more revenue. If you abolish the national leagues and play the provincial championships in a round robin format there's a ton of advantages.

  • The integrity, traditions, and local rivalries of the provincial championships are retained.
  • If you shut the back door and go to a straight knockout with no All-Ireland quarter finals, the prestige of the provincial championships is restored beyond question.
  • Abolition of the league means that the championship season (which is the real money generator) is extended but the overall inter-county season is shortened and creates more room in the calendar for the clubs.
  • A round robin provincial championship means that teams get a lot more then two guaranteed games, making them a better deal for sponsors.
  • You have more control over who plays in the first game, so you can open the competition with a bang by bringing two big hitters together.
  • It's a simpler and more understandable format than the current convoluted modified knockout competition that's almost impossible to diagram.

I'd kick New York and London out of the All-Ireland championship. GAA units outside of Ireland should be concentrating on organising competitions in their own respective countries and playing games that they have a chance of actually winning. It's time New York and London had more locally-born players in their ranks and stopped viewing this as entertainment for emigrants, but that's another story.

I'd also abolish those pre-season inter-county competitions. There's no need for them. Ditto for the lower-tier inter-county hurling competitions (Christy Ring, Nickey Rackard etc. cups). If you want to improve the standard in developing counties then do it at club level; that's what the club competitions are for. The standard of the county team will rise with it.

There's not enough joined-up thinking in the GAA.  Not enough "big picture" vision. Too much compartmentalized looking at each competition in isolation and trying to promote each one as an end in itself. Time to look at all the competitions together and assess what their roles are. The inter-county championship is a spectator event that brings in big money and inspires the next generation of players. The club competitions are for representing small communities and honing the skills of the players. The national leagues? WTF is the point of them? What's the point of the O'Byrne Cup and Waterford Crystal Cup and all these other obscure matches for?

It might sound like a slash and burn with a lot of competitions being dropped, but with the unsustainable workload on players and the sinister actions of the GPA looming over everything, something has to give.

Agree with much of what you say but your solution is infinitely worse IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: seafoid on January 12, 2015, 08:03:27 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0111/671850-brolly-calls-for-club-county-manager-restrictions/

"Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly has called for a ban on non-members managing clubs and insisted county managers should be from within the county.

Brolly made the comments as part of a wide-ranging panel discussion on RTÉ Sunday Sport about player welfare, the balance between club and county commitments and the state of Gaelic football.

Brolly said that “over the last 15 years, we have imported professional sport practices into an amateur, community-based game. And what has happened is that players, in essence, put their lives on hold between the ages of 20 and 30.

“It used to be for club and county and all that. Whenever I was playing football, everyone had careers, they developed their careers. We trained twice a week with the county, maybe three times. It was part of a healthy, balanced life.

“The problem now is that you’ve got some county teams who are training ten times a week.”

In a newspaper column last Sunday, Brolly had said that players were little better than “battery hens”. In a follow-up column he took issue at payments to managers within the GAA.

Brolly told RTÉ Sport that “slowly but surely we are moving away from the community-based idealistic organisation that we’re meant to be.

“Now you’ve got a black market in paid managers. It’s absolutely thriving. Players are suffering like never before. It’s happening at club and county level.”"
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: macdanger2 on January 12, 2015, 09:54:03 AM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0111/671850-brolly-calls-for-club-county-manager-restrictions/

"Sunday Game analyst Joe Brolly has called for a ban on non-members managing clubs and insisted county managers should be from within the county.

Brolly made the comments as part of a wide-ranging panel discussion on RTÉ Sunday Sport about player welfare, the balance between club and county commitments and the state of Gaelic football.

Brolly said that “over the last 15 years, we have imported professional sport practices into an amateur, community-based game. And what has happened is that players, in essence, put their lives on hold between the ages of 20 and 30.

“It used to be for club and county and all that. Whenever I was playing football, everyone had careers, they developed their careers. We trained twice a week with the county, maybe three times. It was part of a healthy, balanced life.

“The problem now is that you’ve got some county teams who are training ten times a week.”

In a newspaper column last Sunday, Brolly had said that players were little better than “battery hens”. In a follow-up column he took issue at payments to managers within the GAA.

Brolly told RTÉ Sport that “slowly but surely we are moving away from the community-based idealistic organisation that we’re meant to be.

“Now you’ve got a black market in paid managers. It’s absolutely thriving. Players are suffering like never before. It’s happening at club and county level.”"

Did someone on here not come up with that idea a couple of weeks back?
Title: Re: Joe Brolly
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 12, 2015, 09:56:34 AM
I think Brolly said a good while back about club managers having to come from within their own county. Half of Derrys best managers are with Tyrone clubs!!
Title: Re: Joe Brolly Reality and Myth
Post by: samwin08 on January 12, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
I have not known any GAA manager who got rich by managing a Gaelic football club or county.
People  please--- we need to cop on about this--the reality is far from the myth-- I can assure  you, most managers struggle to get reasonable expenses and certainly do not get re reimbursed for their time commitment, ( if a club or county  are lucky enough to have a wealthy business person who loves the GAA, then that is a different perspective  as the GAA is not providing the money in this scenario and therefore  not to be confused with County Boards or Clubs paying managers.
As for Joe Brolly, well guys he is probably one of the ex players who is   extremely well paid for his commentary on all things GAA, but his views are typical  of a