Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting

Started by Denn Forever, October 30, 2017, 11:52:18 AM

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OgraAnDun

Quote from: T Fearon on October 30, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
Don't think that's right.DUP and UUP like the big Stormont salaries,family employment,cars etc.They are suspicious of direct rule as it will give Dublin a greater say etc.


A rare post of yours that is actually on the money (in my opinion of course).

Eamonnca1

Quote from: T Fearon on October 30, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
Don't think that's right.DUP and UUP like the big Stormont salaries,family employment,cars etc.They are suspicious of direct rule as it will give Dublin a greater say etc.

Aren't they still getting paid? Would direct rule change that?

red hander

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on October 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 30, 2017, 12:13:36 PM
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? It's a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

You are missing the point SF couldn't give a stuff about the Irish language however the nationalist electorate have had enough hence the sudden u turn. SF pretty much were getting hammered by their own grass roots following years of DUP nonsense. All Martin McGuiness good intentions to make stormont work just ended up encouraging the DUP to take the piss more and more. If it wasnt the Irish language act it would have been something else. As mentioned earlier the euphoria with nationalism post GFA has long gone and quite frankly few will miss stormont. Direct rule means things will get done and bonus for SF is they can wash their hands of any unpopular decisions so why the fook would they want to go back to being the DUP's junior partner.

Nail on head. F**k Stormont, shut it down and flatten it

Minder

Quote from: red hander on October 30, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on October 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 30, 2017, 12:13:36 PM
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? It's a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

You are missing the point SF couldn't give a stuff about the Irish language however the nationalist electorate have had enough hence the sudden u turn. SF pretty much were getting hammered by their own grass roots following years of DUP nonsense. All Martin McGuiness good intentions to make stormont work just ended up encouraging the DUP to take the piss more and more. If it wasnt the Irish language act it would have been something else. As mentioned earlier the euphoria with nationalism post GFA has long gone and quite frankly few will miss stormont. Direct rule means things will get done and bonus for SF is they can wash their hands of any unpopular decisions so why the fook would they want to go back to being the DUP's junior partner.

Nail on head. F**k Stormont, shut it down and flatten it

What's the alternative then ?
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

armaghniac

Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 30, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on October 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 30, 2017, 12:13:36 PM
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? It's a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

You are missing the point SF couldn't give a stuff about the Irish language however the nationalist electorate have had enough hence the sudden u turn. SF pretty much were getting hammered by their own grass roots following years of DUP nonsense. All Martin McGuiness good intentions to make stormont work just ended up encouraging the DUP to take the piss more and more. If it wasnt the Irish language act it would have been something else. As mentioned earlier the euphoria with nationalism post GFA has long gone and quite frankly few will miss stormont. Direct rule means things will get done and bonus for SF is they can wash their hands of any unpopular decisions so why the fook would they want to go back to being the DUP's junior partner.

Nail on head. F**k Stormont, shut it down and flatten it

What's the alternative then ?

I suppose it could be used as a site for the new Casement Park?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

red hander

Joint authority as a preamble to reunification of the national territory. Now I know that's unlikely to happen in the short term, but the DUP won't hold the whip hand at Westminster forever. May's position is not strong, and the current sexual harassment row could see the debarring of several MPs (this row is not going to die down any time soon), leading to by-elections and a probable further weakening of her position, judging by the polls. She also has her own backstabbing Cabinet to contend with. Direct rule will involve greater Dublin input than the DUP thinks, as the Brits need Varadkar's support for a Brexit deal. Loss of Stormont will be a blow to unionists as it further weakens the institutions of this failed sectarian statelet. And let's face it, there are far too many hopeless MLAs on all sides. In what other field of life would such mediocre 'talents' rise to such a position if it wasn't down to a simple headcount along sectarian lines?

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: armaghniac on October 30, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 30, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on October 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 30, 2017, 12:13:36 PM
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? It's a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

You are missing the point SF couldn't give a stuff about the Irish language however the nationalist electorate have had enough hence the sudden u turn. SF pretty much were getting hammered by their own grass roots following years of DUP nonsense. All Martin McGuiness good intentions to make stormont work just ended up encouraging the DUP to take the piss more and more. If it wasnt the Irish language act it would have been something else. As mentioned earlier the euphoria with nationalism post GFA has long gone and quite frankly few will miss stormont. Direct rule means things will get done and bonus for SF is they can wash their hands of any unpopular decisions so why the fook would they want to go back to being the DUP's junior partner.

Nail on head. F**k Stormont, shut it down and flatten it

What's the alternative then ?

I suppose it could be used as a site for the new Casement Park?

Surely not on top of a hill that height above Belfast.  That would be like Tyrone CB being so stupid as to spend #7m building its centre of excellence on top of a hill 700 feet above sea level beside the wind turbine farms.

bennydorano

It should be remembered that the hugely controversial Universal Credit is just starting it's roll out in NI, both showers of tough decision dodgers will be happy to let the UK government take the flack for that shitfest and slip back into power late next Spring.

johnneycool

Quote from: armaghniac on October 30, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 30, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on October 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 30, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on October 30, 2017, 12:13:36 PM
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? It's a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

You are missing the point SF couldn't give a stuff about the Irish language however the nationalist electorate have had enough hence the sudden u turn. SF pretty much were getting hammered by their own grass roots following years of DUP nonsense. All Martin McGuiness good intentions to make stormont work just ended up encouraging the DUP to take the piss more and more. If it wasnt the Irish language act it would have been something else. As mentioned earlier the euphoria with nationalism post GFA has long gone and quite frankly few will miss stormont. Direct rule means things will get done and bonus for SF is they can wash their hands of any unpopular decisions so why the fook would they want to go back to being the DUP's junior partner.

Nail on head. F**k Stormont, shut it down and flatten it

What's the alternative then ?

I suppose it could be used as a site for the new Casement Park?


And it in Down and all...😁

armaghniac

Antrim could fix up Casement for their own massive crowds and Down would have a ground wholly in their own county.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Minder

Quote from: bennydorano on October 30, 2017, 06:19:24 PM
It should be remembered that the hugely controversial Universal Credit is just starting it's roll out in NI, both showers of tough decision dodgers will be happy to let the UK government take the flack for that shitfest and slip back into power late next Spring.

Yeah I actually think that's a huge factor, the shit is going to hit the fan in a big way with UC
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

magpie seanie

I always thought there was no motivation for the DUP to restore Stormont. They're probably very happy with direct rule rather than having to share decision making with SF. Some interesting comments here on why SF might be watery on the restoration also. I just hope Varadkar takes an interest. I have no faith in him. I just think he tells everyone what they want to hear but ends up doing nothing.

BennyCake

Seriously, have a big fight on the site of Long Kesh. The winner keeps this place (Christ, what a prize!).

Sounds mad yes, but is there a better idea to sorting out this cesspit once and for all?

T Fearon

I am bewildered.I thought the big selling point of the GFA,was a functional Stormont,with Irishman and women running the North and South,hence we are no longer subject to "British" rule,though this will be negated by their current relationship with the Tories.

Believe me,Stormont is a big deal for the DUP,if it wasn't Arlene would be sitting in a safe DUP Westminster seat.They are also able to halt things like Gay Marriage etc,and will not trust Westminster not to deals with Dublin.

Similarly I can't see any advantage for SF,handing over the reigns to the Tories.Their enemies in Dublin will be able to accuse them of running away from government when the going got tough.

It's a different era now.Dublin will not be nearly as engaged as they were in previous eras,both they  and the British thought the GFA was a final settlement.

Effectively every one in the North is going to be subject to Tory rule for which no one votec

Avondhu star

Quote from: red hander on October 30, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
Joint authority as a preamble to reunification of the national territory. Now I know that's unlikely to happen in the short term, but the DUP won't hold the whip hand at Westminster forever. May's position is not strong, and the current sexual harassment row could see the debarring of several MPs (this row is not going to die down any time soon), leading to by-elections and a probable further weakening of her position, judging by the polls. She also has her own backstabbing Cabinet to contend with. Direct rule will involve greater Dublin input than the DUP thinks, as the Brits need Varadkar's support for a Brexit deal. Loss of Stormont will be a blow to unionists as it further weakens the institutions of this failed sectarian statelet. And let's face it, there are far too many hopeless MLAs on all sides. In what other field of life would such mediocre 'talents' rise to such a position if it wasn't down to a simple headcount along sectarian lines?

"current sexual harassment"
You mean the Shinners weren't the only ones touching up the young wans and young fellas
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you