The Many Faces of US Politics...

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whitey

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didn't campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

Eamonnca1

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Quote from: whitey on March 04, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didn't campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Eamonnca1

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Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1


whitey

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 07, 2020, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 04, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didn't campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Independents are not part of the American right

I can't stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: whitey on March 08, 2020, 04:13:05 PMI can't stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

Ah, but really, how many politicians aren't liars, frauds or hypocrites?

Unfortunately democracy at that level tend to attract the wrong kinds of people. Particularly when its so money orientated as within the US (not that UK or Ireland are beacons in this respect either!)
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Eamonnca1

Quote from: whitey on March 08, 2020, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 07, 2020, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 04, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didn't campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Independents are not part of the American right

I can't stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

How so?

whitey

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 08, 2020, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 08, 2020, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 07, 2020, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 04, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didn't campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Independents are not part of the American right

I can't stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

How so?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/21/pathological-liar-elizabeth-warren-thinks-presiden/

seafoid

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/08/complacent-governments-will-torn-shreds-coronavirus-quake-reshapes/

the jury is also out on the US. It has allowed a surveillance failure. The fight is being led by a man who persisted in calling it a "hoax" long after it was already spreading in Washington state.

That infamous mantra will ring down through the ages as the defining epithet of the Trump presidency.

Barely in office, Donald Trump slashed the global health security funds of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) by 80pc and closed the pandemic machinery at the White House. His first reflex when cases escalated was to try to spin the message. All must be well so long as Wall Street is rising. But the markets were wrong. On matters of science, it is better to heed scientists.

Whether cuts to the CDC contributed to the fiasco of a faulty reagent sent out to labs will be combed over in the political post mortem, as will the long delay before permitting others to step into the breach. The fact is that the US tested almost nobody until early March. By then it was too late. It was the fatal missed window. Call it "Wuhan II" – American style.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 08, 2020, 01:35:58 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on March 02, 2020, 06:30:02 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 28, 2020, 06:17:47 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 27, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 25, 2020, 04:56:59 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2020, 01:00:17 AM
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 20, 2020, 10:40:56 PM
Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Oraisteach

Eamonn, if he puts Warren on his ticket, I'll be astounded. She is more dynamic, more articulate, and more intelligent. No president wants a brighter sidekick than the lead dog.

screenexile

Decided to follow Bill Mitchell on twitter just to get a perspective of someone who woul dbe at the forefront of the right in the US.

I had to unfollow after a couple of days JESUS CHRIST the guys is a sociopath!!

J70

Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2020, 11:43:32 AM
Decided to follow Bill Mitchell on twitter just to get a perspective of someone who woul dbe at the forefront of the right in the US.

I had to unfollow after a couple of days JESUS CHRIST the guys is a sociopath!!

Never heard of him before you posted this.

But I looked at his twitter feed.

COVID-19 is all a media-led "hit-job on the Trump economy".

All righty then. :o

Someone should tell the populist, right wing, Trump-sympathetic Italian government they're hurting the Dear Leader. The Iranians and Chinese too.

screenexile

Quote from: J70 on March 11, 2020, 11:57:46 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 11, 2020, 11:43:32 AM
Decided to follow Bill Mitchell on twitter just to get a perspective of someone who woul dbe at the forefront of the right in the US.

I had to unfollow after a couple of days JESUS CHRIST the guys is a sociopath!!

Never heard of him before you posted this.

But I looked at his twitter feed.

COVID-19 is all a media-led "hit-job on the Trump economy".

All righty then. :o

Someone should tell the populist, right wing, Trump-sympathetic Italian government they're hurting the Dear Leader. The Iranians and Chinese too.

Bananas stuff I saw somewhere a guy saying if you want an insight into the Trump voter psyche to follow Mitchell... it's not a good place to be!!

RadioGAAGAA

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42950587






We'll see shortly just how much "value for money" the US are getting.
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Eamonnca1

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Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1
Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1