The redevelopment is going to cost about 80m euro's, where has all the funding come from?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 01, 2016, 10:18:49 PM
The redevelopment is going to cost about 80m euro's, where has all the funding come from?
Garth Brooks' 20 nights in a row probably.
Is it finished? or when will it be finished? Any pics?
It's definitely not finished. I have my doubts it will be finished for next year's championship.
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 02, 2016, 12:41:48 PM
It's definitely not finished. I have my doubts it will be finished for next year's championship.
Heard the same from a Corkman last week.
He was giving out about having to head to Killarney for so many years in a row.
The demolition phase was only supposed to take 4 months but ended up taking 9months, so it's at least 5 months behind schedule.
The Corkman I was talking to, had heard some rumours about some big fight between the contractors and sub-contractors. His exact words were - "it's all going to end in either a Prime Time Special or a Tribunal"
He's a bit of a doom and gloom merchant but has very little faith in the Cork footballers or Cork hurlers doing anything at all this summer.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
I can barely hear you all the way down in D2, Jinxy.
QuoteThe redevelopment is going to cost about 80m euro's, where has all the funding come from?
Time to bring back Siamsa Cois Laoi to help pay for it ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCnkj07fh0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCnkj07fh0)
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
Well at least we're looking to improve the facilities unlike ye crowd who thought floodlights weretoo ssmartaaltogetherso ye took them down ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
Well at least we're looking to improve the facilities unlike ye crowd who thought floodlights weretoo ssmartaaltogetherso ye took them down ::)
That's not the reason. Meath lads just don't like too much light revealing what they are getting up to. Nice and gloomy is ideal.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
Well at least we're looking to improve the facilities unlike ye crowd who thought floodlights weretoo ssmartaaltogetherso ye took them down ::)
At least the Hyde is named after something real. Meath may as well have called their ground Pixie Park.
Don't be winding them too much Syfín........ We might be playing there in Round 3A :o
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 02, 2016, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
Well at least we're looking to improve the facilities unlike ye crowd who thought floodlights weretoo ssmartaaltogetherso ye took them down ::)
That's not the reason. Meath lads just don't like too much light revealing what they are getting up to. Nice and gloomy is ideal.
We live in the shadows.
Like ninjas.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 07:35:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 02, 2016, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
It'll still be ready before the Hyde.
Well at least we're looking to improve the facilities unlike ye crowd who thought floodlights weretoo ssmartaaltogetherso ye took them down ::)
That's not the reason. Meath lads just don't like too much light revealing what they are getting up to. Nice and gloomy is ideal.
We live in the shadows.
Like ninjas.
Or mould.
This was a month ago but gives some idea of the "progress".
http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/video-pictures-work-continues-pairc-ui-chaoimh-redevelopment/2000700/ (http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/video-pictures-work-continues-pairc-ui-chaoimh-redevelopment/2000700/)
It's a mess of a project from the start really. An unsuitable location for a stadium, let alone a training centre (I refuse to call 1 pitch and a bar a Centre of Excellence). There has already been huge budget over-runs, arguments with planners/engineers, off the cuff changes to plans etc etc. Par for the course with Frank Murphy Ltd really.
1 guy who was working there told me the Engineers were begging the board to consider moving the stadium back from the river and changing the plans as they could not guarantee a stable foundation on the old stadium orientation. Were drilling pilot holes and hitting liquid mud all over the shop. Hardly surprising considering pitch level in the stadium is 20feet below high tide level, with the river 50m behind the old uncovered stand. (Side facing TV cameras).
All this is made even more ridiculous by the fact that the board were offered land just off the South Ring motorway which is far more accessible for the vast majority of players/supporters, to build a centre of excellence on a site where you could have had 6+ pitches and built whatever size clubhouse/gym you wanted.
Just in case people don't grasp how ridiculous the situation in Cork is, the Cork Senior Hurlers were forced to train on a rugby field not long ago. A SENIOR County team, less than 6 weeks before championship.
Managed to find a few articles on the development. HQ are giving them 20m euro's and their going to receive 30m euro's from a Government grant whilst Cork will have to find the rest themselves.
Its a bizare project that defies logic, any Cork posters on here who can correct me?
We better be getting some of this gravy train so we can redo a stadium that's actually going to be used for matches.
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2016, 01:21:56 PM
We better be getting some of this gravy train so we can redo a stadium that's actually going to be used for matches.
Are you comparing Dr Hyde park to PUC?
PUC will I'd imagine host the Munster football finals of 2017,2018, 2020 - will host at least 1 hurling championship game every year for forseeable future also and is a big part of the RWC 2023 bid. How many games will the Hyde host in the next 4-5 years?
The actual buidling/rebuilding of a decent size stadium in Cork isn't the problem as I see it. The problem is more the shambles of a location, added extra "centre of excellence" which is going to be a waste etc..
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 03, 2016, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2016, 01:21:56 PM
We better be getting some of this gravy train so we can redo a stadium that's actually going to be used for matches.
Are you comparing Dr Hyde park to PUC?
PUC will I'd imagine host the Munster football finals of 2017,2018, 2020 - will host at least 1 hurling championship game every year for forseeable future also and is a big part of the RWC 2023 bid. How many games will the Hyde host in the next 4-5 years?
The actual buidling/rebuilding of a decent size stadium in Cork isn't the problem as I see it. The problem is more the shambles of a location, added extra "centre of excellence" which is going to be a waste etc..
Of course it is. The province of Munster does not need yet another 40,000 seater stadium. It's madness considering how many other parts of the country don't even have a decent 25,000 seater one & how few games will be played in Cork over all. If the Pairc needs an upgrade, fine. But to spend 70 odd million on it.....Jesus Christ like. !
Its Cork - no half measures for dem boyahs.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 03, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
Its Cork - no half measures for dem boyahs.
They save that for their on the field performances.
Quote from: Beffs on June 03, 2016, 10:58:28 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 03, 2016, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2016, 01:21:56 PM
We better be getting some of this gravy train so we can redo a stadium that's actually going to be used for matches.
Are you comparing Dr Hyde park to PUC?
PUC will I'd imagine host the Munster football finals of 2017,2018, 2020 - will host at least 1 hurling championship game every year for forseeable future also and is a big part of the RWC 2023 bid. How many games will the Hyde host in the next 4-5 years?
The actual buidling/rebuilding of a decent size stadium in Cork isn't the problem as I see it. The problem is more the shambles of a location, added extra "centre of excellence" which is going to be a waste etc..
Of course it is. The province of Munster does not need yet another 40,000 seater stadium. It's madness considering how many other parts of the country don't even have a decent 25,000 seater one & how few games will be played in Cork over all. If the Pairc needs an upgrade, fine. But to spend 70 odd million on it.....Jesus Christ like. !
So, in summation, you agree with me.
Yes, I agree the cost is too high and as I stated above the so-called "centre of excellence" is nothing but a box ticking exercise. Much an all I loathe some of the unjustifed Cork sense of superiority though, it's not unreasonable to suggest that the second biggest city in the country have a decent size stadium for GAA and other uses.
Of course, were we starting from scratch there's no way you'd build a 45k stadium in Thurles, Limerick, Cork and Killarney, but they aren't going to be knocked now are they?
Cork is the 3rd biggest city in the country ;)
The 2nd biggest also has GAA Stadium issues ;D
Cork being the second city is completely irrelevant. Saying they should automatically have the second biggest and best stadium in the country, just because they have the second biggest population is daft. It is nothing but pure ego on their part. Other factors than population size, determine where the big games in Munster are held....so you can't just be throwing a truck load of money at the Pairc, for no other reason than it's the second city, population wise.
Kerry are never going to concede the home/away agreements for Munster finals, so Fitzgerald Stadium will continue to get big games. Semple is the spiritual home of hurling, so Thurles will continue to get big games. The Limerick & Clare Co boards will certainly not stand idly by & meekly allow the Gaelic Grounds & Ennis to be bypassed, so they will continue to get big games.
All of those factors mean that year in, year out, Cork will have to wait its turn to get big games. Its population size & "second city" status will be no help to it there, which once again calls into question the merit of spending an insane amount of money on a ground, that will see a packed house once, twice a year, if even that.
Cork is not the second city.
They think themselves their the real capital though :D
Porky Corky is in a dreadful location.
Quote from: seafoid on June 05, 2016, 12:05:09 PM
Porky Corky is in a dreadful location.
Like Porky Gallya
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 03, 2016, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2016, 01:21:56 PM
We better be getting some of this gravy train so we can redo a stadium that's actually going to be used for matches.
Are you comparing Dr Hyde park to PUC?
PUC will I'd imagine host the Munster football finals of 2017,2018, 2020 - will host at least 1 hurling championship game every year for forseeable future also and is a big part of the RWC 2023 bid. How many games will the Hyde host in the next 4-5 years?
The actual buidling/rebuilding of a decent size stadium in Cork isn't the problem as I see it. The problem is more the shambles of a location, added extra "centre of excellence" which is going to be a waste etc..
Playing a couple of big GAA matches matches a year is not enough to justify spending around 80m euro's on a stadium especially given that 50m has come funding outside the county. A stadium costing that amount should be used at least around 15 times a year to make it financially viable.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 02, 2016, 07:55:32 PM
This was a month ago but gives some idea of the "progress".
http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/video-pictures-work-continues-pairc-ui-chaoimh-redevelopment/2000700/ (http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/video-pictures-work-continues-pairc-ui-chaoimh-redevelopment/2000700/)
It's a mess of a project from the start really. An unsuitable location for a stadium, let alone a training centre (I refuse to call 1 pitch and a bar a Centre of Excellence). There has already been huge budget over-runs, arguments with planners/engineers, off the cuff changes to plans etc etc. Par for the course with Frank Murphy Ltd really.
1 guy who was working there told me the Engineers were begging the board to consider moving the stadium back from the river and changing the plans as they could not guarantee a stable foundation on the old stadium orientation. Were drilling pilot holes and hitting liquid mud all over the shop. Hardly surprising considering pitch level in the stadium is 20feet below high tide level, with the river 50m behind the old uncovered stand. (Side facing TV cameras).
All this is made even more ridiculous by the fact that the board were offered land just off the South Ring motorway which is far more accessible for the vast majority of players/supporters, to build a centre of excellence on a site where you could have had 6+ pitches and built whatever size clubhouse/gym you wanted.
Just in case people don't grasp how ridiculous the situation in Cork is, the Cork Senior Hurlers were forced to train on a rugby field not long ago. A SENIOR County team, less than 6 weeks before championship.
hang on were thr IRFU not Forced to train on a club pitch in cork a few years ago? or was it the muster branch?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2016, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on June 03, 2016, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 03, 2016, 01:21:56 PM
We better be getting some of this gravy train so we can redo a stadium that's actually going to be used for matches.
Are you comparing Dr Hyde park to PUC?
PUC will I'd imagine host the Munster football finals of 2017,2018, 2020 - will host at least 1 hurling championship game every year for forseeable future also and is a big part of the RWC 2023 bid. How many games will the Hyde host in the next 4-5 years?
The actual buidling/rebuilding of a decent size stadium in Cork isn't the problem as I see it. The problem is more the shambles of a location, added extra "centre of excellence" which is going to be a waste etc..
Playing a couple of big GAA matches matches a year is not enough to justify spending around 80m euro's on a stadium especially given that 50m has come funding outside the county. A stadium costing that amount should be used at least around 15 times a year to make it financially viable.
It could be used for concerts as well though.
The county board probably reckon they can get Prince and Michael Jackson back over again.
Work proceeding
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Going to be a fine stadium in fairness despite going over budget, being in a terrible location and being under management of a bunch of dinosaurs. ;D
Hopefully we can spoil the grand opening they have planned for the munster football final!!!
I'm hearing that after it'll be more or less debt free by the time it opens. A fair achievement.
I like the look of it I have to say.
It's like somewhere you'd go to watch a chariot race.
The end is nigh. Open for Hurling QFs
compare it to the prototype... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYG9tzUknxc
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(http://www.eveningecho.ie/portalsuite/image//5ccc14dc-d7d4-46dc-80b0-c0c6a9e8cb7c/mainMediaSize=MEDIUM_type=image_x0=0_y0=0_x1=100_y1=100__image.jpg)
(http://www.eveningecho.ie/portalsuite/image//6bfd8246-316a-40f4-9df5-a81973253bb5/mainMediaSize=MEDIUM_type=image_x0=0_y0=0_x1=100_y1=100__image.jpg)
Almost €20 million over budget and late.
Top job Frank.
Was expecting more red
Aren't they very flaithulach down in Cork. They built a stadium and now they've pulled it down and rebuilt it again, while the frugal Meath folk just cut the grass in Páirc Tailteann all along.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
Was expecting more red
Check the accounts.
Multi million euro redevelopment and didn't see fit to kit it out with Hawkeye
Well done Lads
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Quote from: clonadmad on July 11, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Multi million euro redevelopment and didn't see fit to kit it out with Hawkeye
Well done Lads
It has a "score detection system" - apparently Hawkeye is the brand name for the system used in Croke Park (and presumably Thurles) but this is a different brand.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 11, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Looks fantastic? Really?
It's a modern built stadium that has a design about 70 years out of date.
The architect on this project must spend most of his time designing 4 bedroom bungalows or something because there is absolutely no imagination gone into the design of this .
It's a pity as there are so many small stadiums around the world that are beautifully designed. This is just the same as what was there but with new seats and concrete.
Quote from: dclane on July 11, 2017, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 11, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Looks fantastic? Really?
It's a modern built stadium that has a design about 70 years out of date.
The architect on this project must spend most of his time designing 4 bedroom bungalows or something because there is absolutely no imagination gone into the design of this .
It's a pity as there are so many small stadiums around the world that are beautifully designed. This is just the same as what was there but with new seats and concrete.
The design is perfectly fine and more than adequate for the type of games it will host. Pairc Ui Chaoimh always had a brilliant atmosphere when full and the new stadium will keep that. The problem with the old stadium wasn't the overall design, it was the functionality of it at a micro level, ie. small seats with little leg room, tiny dressing rooms and poor access and an unsafe tunnel area under the stands and terraces.
There are very few new stadiums around the world which have a good atmosphere. This will be one of them.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 11, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Sure you're taking the piss on both counts Ros?
Sligo is far enough away from Malin Head/Clonmany for any journey to a neutral venue match..
Quote from: rosnarun on July 11, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Sligo is pretty much half way between the two. It'll be sufficient for the crowd that will go too.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 11, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 11, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Multi million euro redevelopment and didn't see fit to kit it out with Hawkeye
Well done Lads
It has a "score detection system" - apparently Hawkeye is the brand name for the system used in Croke Park (and presumably Thurles) but this is a different brand.
Hawk Eye is a Sony product unless I am very much mistaken, so they must have used different technology.
According to the42.ie Galway and Clare minor hurlers will play before the senior game on the 22nd July. Absolute madness.
Shite tickets on sale ATM
401/101 best to hold off for a while
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 11, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 11, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Multi million euro redevelopment and didn't see fit to kit it out with Hawkeye
Well done Lads
It has a "score detection system" - apparently Hawkeye is the brand name for the system used in Croke Park (and presumably Thurles) but this is a different brand.
Hawk Eye is a Sony product unless I am very much mistaken, so they must have used different technology.
Frank told the painters to leave some of their ladders behind for the umpires to climb.
Voila an alternative "score detection system"
Freemount GAA club email to all Cork County board members
Quote:
From: Secretary Freemount Cork
Sent: 01 July 2017 18:18:04
To: Chairperson Cork; ViceChairperson Cork; administrator cork; senior administrator cork; Treasurer Cork; PRO Cork; Childrensofficer Cork; DevelopmentOfficer Cork; IrishCulturalOfficer Cork; Coaching Officer Cork; chairperson imokilly.cork;
A Chara,
As you are aware, all decisions being made by the Executive and the Steering Committee in relation to Pairc Ui Chaoimh are under the jurisdiction of the County Committee. However, the County Committee has received minimal information in relation to Pairc Ui Chaoimh since the development commenced. Consequently, we would appreciate if you would respond to the queries set out below in advance of the next county board meeting and circulate it to the County Committee. If this is not possible, we will expect a verbal response to the queries at the next county board meeting.
The following are our queries in relation to Pairc Ui Chaoimh :
- Did the Steering Committee receive assurances from the main contractor and electrical contractor that Pairc Ui Chaoimh would be completed on time for the Munster football final ? If so, is there a penalty payable now for late completion and for how much? If a penalty is not payable, why not ?
- Is the Steering Committee fully satisfied that Pairc Ui Chaoimh will be ready on time for the All Ireland hurling quarter finals ?
- Has Sisk lodged any claims for contra charges due to delays outside their control ? If so, for how much ?
- Why did the Steering Committee take responsibility for appointing the electrical contractors instead of Sisk being responsible for it ?
- What is the expected cost of the overall development ? If as reported, it is significantly in excess of the amount of €78m presented to the County Committee as being the final cost, how did the additional costs arise ?
- If there have been cost overruns, why have the County Committee not been updated on these overruns over the past eighteen months.
- Is there any part of the proposed development project not being done because of financial constraints ?
- How many Premium Level Seats have been sold ?
- Is there any risk of promised grant funding not being received ?
- What is the position with the Stadium naming rights contract ?
- What is the anticipated shortfall on the development of the stadium and how will this shortfall be financed ?
- Why is the appointment of a stadium manager not on the agenda at present?
- It has been reported in the Media that Bob Ryan will be employed on a 12 month contract. Is this correct and if so, what was the process for making this appointment ? If the position was not advertised, why not ?
- How many people will be employed in Pairc Ui Chaoimh going forward and what will be the role of each employee ?
- When does the Executive take over from the Steering Committee in managing Pairc Ui Chaoimh?
- Will all income and expenditure of Pairc Ui Chaoimh be accounted for through the accounts of County Board or is it going to be through a separate entity ?
- Can the Executive confirm that those responsible for running Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the future report to the County Executive ?
- We would appreciate your confirmation that proposals in relation to the management of Pairc Ui Chaoimh will be ratified by the County Committee before they can proceed.
On a separate note, we brought forward a motion to the last annual Convention seeking that the appointment of the next county secretary should be managed by Croke Park so that an annual contribution of €30000 could be received from Croke Park towards the cost of the secretary. It was ruled out of order on the basis that this was a decision for the Management Committee and the County Committee.
Croke Park have indicated that they will need to start the process of appointing the County Secretary by the first week in September if they are requested to do so. Consequently, we consider that the process for appointing the next county secretary will now need to be ratified by the August County Board meeting at the latest.
We would therefore suggest that the proposed process for appointing the next county secretary is circulated in advance of the July or August County Board meetings to give clubs an opportunity to consider it in advance of the meeting and then agree on the process at the County Board meeting.
Mise le Meas,
Liam Ó Múrchú
Cnoc an Teampaill
Cue animated gif of lad eating popcorn.
Quote from: dclane on July 11, 2017, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 11, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Looks fantastic? Really?
It's a modern built stadium that has a design about 70 years out of date.
The architect on this project must spend most of his time designing 4 bedroom bungalows or something because there is absolutely no imagination gone into the design of this .
It's a pity as there are so many small stadiums around the world that are beautifully designed. This is just the same as what was there but with new seats and concrete.
Agree with you on that one. A design along the lines of the proposed Casement Park would have been much better creating a more enclosed atmospheric venue
Personally I would have serious health and safety concerns about the new development.
We don't need "architects" in Mayo to know that you need good sturdy posts to hold up the roof on the stand.
(http://www.castlebar.ie/artman2/uploads/1/JL_McHalePark_20090611_3.jpg)
We could have saved ye a good few quid too, our mighty new stand only cost 15million euro!
Usual disgraceful discrimination against the West by the Dublin media and the Sunday game.
I will be writing to the county board to implore them not to allow any Mayo team to play there until safety posts have been installed to protect our fans from injury.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 13, 2017, 03:44:29 AM
Quote from: dclane on July 11, 2017, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 11, 2017, 04:16:37 PM
looks fantastic , Pity they didnt do a mayo V cork , donegal V galway double header there next saturday .
Feck the begrudgers.
failing that why is donegal V Galway not in Castlebar?
Looks fantastic? Really?
It's a modern built stadium that has a design about 70 years out of date.
The architect on this project must spend most of his time designing 4 bedroom bungalows or something because there is absolutely no imagination gone into the design of this .
It's a pity as there are so many small stadiums around the world that are beautifully designed. This is just the same as what was there but with new seats and concrete.
Agree with you on that one. A design along the lines of the proposed Casement Park would have Bron much better creating o more enclosed atmospheric venue
There is criticism because of the cost and also because of the similarity to the previous design, but the terracing at the end is built on the original foundations which presumably saved money.
Casement park is now better, but it took a while to get that design.
They've been granted a bar licence in the Pàirc so let the €s start flowing.
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Pairc Ui chaoimh should be winning awards for its cutting edge design I mean look how things have evolved since the eighties
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Or look at this garbage built in the thirties so glad times have changed
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The GAA have good form for this sh1te.
The new Caterpillar stand at Leicester Tigers was built at the same time with same capacity for the same money as that monstrosity at Castlebar - literally where did all the money go????
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QuoteThe new Caterpillar stand at Leicester Tigers was built at the same time with same capacity for the same money as that monstrosity at Castlebar - literally where did all the money go????
This has been covered many times before I'm not sure why it keeps coming up but I suppose it bears repeating.
An unpublished independent internal enquiry by the Country board found that the Mayo senior hurling team was spending too much on new sliothars and James Horan was 'always looking for something'.
Case closed, nothing to see here.
Quote from: thefont on July 13, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
QuoteThe new Caterpillar stand at Leicester Tigers was built at the same time with same capacity for the same money as that monstrosity at Castlebar - literally where did all the money go????
This has been covered many times before I'm not sure why it keeps coming up but I suppose it bears repeating.
An unpublished independent internal enquiry by the Country board found that the Mayo senior hurling team was spending too much on new sliothars and James Horan was 'always looking for something'.
Case closed, nothing to see here.
same thing happened with Salthill
few local lads made a nice bit from building that
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
They've been granted a bar licence in the Pàirc so let the €s start flowing.
which is funny
considering GAA officials out west have stopped grounds with club bars serving before, during or after games.
€10 in last night, no concession for OAP or students
like, who does that?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
€10 in last night, no concession for OAP or students
like, who does that?
10,000 at it too, not a bad earner at all.
We wouldn't get that at our entire SFC.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 14, 2017, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
They've been granted a bar licence in the Pàirc so let the €s start flowing.
which is funny
considering GAA officials out west have stopped grounds with club bars serving before, during or after games.
Dignified Cork people would be able to have a quiet drink, unlike the muck savages in the West.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
€10 in last night, no concession for OAP or students
like, who does that?
Those things tend to happen when you're drowning in a mountain of debt.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 12:21:47 PM
Those things tend to happen when you're drowning in a mountain of debt.
"Cribbin and moanin"
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1300000/images/_1300553_stadium_ahern_300_150.jpg)
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
€10 in last night, no concession for OAP or students
like, who does that?
When you are not going to get many games, things like this happens. Limerick, Tipp and now cork with 40k stadiums in munster. Don't need them all and a ridiculous waste of money for the amount of use they will get each year
QuoteWhen you are not going to get many games, things like this happens. Limerick, Tipp and now cork with 40k stadiums in munster. Don't need them all and a ridiculous waste of money for the amount of use they will get each year
But great for Ed Sheeran, and Garth when he decides to come back again for a world tour of Ireland.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 20, 2017, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
€10 in last night, no concession for OAP or students
like, who does that?
When you are not going to get many games, things like this happens. Limerick, Tipp and now cork with 40k stadiums in munster. Don't need them all and a ridiculous waste of money for the amount of use they will get each year
Quite right Dublin7. Much better to have the GAA generally fund a stadium in your own county and then require everyone else to come there to play.
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 20, 2017, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 20, 2017, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:00:06 AM
€10 in last night, no concession for OAP or students
like, who does that?
When you are not going to get many games, things like this happens. Limerick, Tipp and now cork with 40k stadiums in munster. Don't need them all and a ridiculous waste of money for the amount of use they will get each year
Quite right Dublin7. Much better to have the GAA generally fund a stadium in your own county and then require everyone else to come there to play.
How many games did limerick get this year? That ground is hardly used and should be only have the size it is. How many games will PuC get each season? County boards spending millions on white elephants that could be better spent elsewhere.
How the f**k what I said has anything to with Dublin only you know. Not everything in the GAA revolves around Dublin or is their fault😖😖😖😖😖
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
The amount of whinging people do about roofs in this country is ridiculous.
I'm going to games thirty odd years and I can count on one hand the number of soakings I've got.
Someone was giving out about the ladies toilets in Navan a week or so ago.
We're gone fierce soft as a nation.
Ladies.....????
In Meath......?????
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
The amount of whinging people do about roofs in this country is ridiculous.
I'm going to games thirty odd years and I can count on one hand the number of soakings I've got.
Someone was giving out about the ladies toilets in Navan a week or so ago.
We're gone fierce soft as a nation.
You can tell you're not from Connacht.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Floodlights only installed on one side of the pitch, Knock-off Hawkeye, no big screen, same disaster of a setup as regards parking as it was previously. There is no way in hell it's anything close to being state of the art.
Also there is talk that the centre of excellence doesn't even have a full-size pitch. ::)
And this is with it all being late and way over budget.
The shots look well - all taken when sun splitting the sky. May as well have no roof with that little bit that's there. Wide open both ends. Lookso like a bit of a rushed job to me. An improvement undoubtedly but will look dated in a few years. Looks a three quarter job.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
The amount of whinging people do about roofs in this country is ridiculous.
I'm going to games thirty odd years and I can count on one hand the number of soakings I've got.
Someone was giving out about the ladies toilets in Navan a week or so ago.
We're gone fierce soft as a nation.
You would have a point if they spent a lot less on the stadium. Just as before the GAA get a poor return for their euro. The new casement shits on this from a great height for not much more money. Shame its stuck in planning wilderness
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpsprodpb/C629/production/_96992705_newcasementpark.jpg)
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
The amount of whinging people do about roofs in this country is ridiculous.
I'm going to games thirty odd years and I can count on one hand the number of soakings I've got.
Someone was giving out about the ladies toilets in Navan a week or so ago.
We're gone fierce soft as a nation.
You would have a point if they spent a lot less on the stadium. Just as before the GAA get a poor return for their euro. The new casement shits on this from a great height for not much more money. Shame its stuck in planning wilderness
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpsprodpb/C629/production/_96992705_newcasementpark.jpg)
Hmm..
New Casement is a derelict site, Páirc Uí Chaoimh is built.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 08:33:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
The amount of whinging people do about roofs in this country is ridiculous.
I'm going to games thirty odd years and I can count on one hand the number of soakings I've got.
Someone was giving out about the ladies toilets in Navan a week or so ago.
We're gone fierce soft as a nation.
You can tell you're not from Connacht.
Worst soaking I ever got was in Carrick.
It has been revealed that Cork GAA have been left with a debt of €23m from the redevelopment of Pairc Uí Chaoimh. The final cost is €86.4m, that represents an over-run of €16m.
Seems they have some land on the North side of the city that they're going to sell.
Also naming rights for the Stadium.
€16m is some over run. Was anyone keeping tabs on this project?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2017, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 08:33:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 20, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on July 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 20, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
I've seen the Stade de Frank described as being a state of the art stadium a fair few places this week. Now I have no doubts that it's a massive improvement on the old Pairc (which was a bit of a kip) but I imagine state of the art is seriously pushing it.
Its very dated looking something from 30 years ago. If they actually continued the roof over the terracing it would help massively bit of a joke modern stadium with no roof in ireland
The amount of whinging people do about roofs in this country is ridiculous.
I'm going to games thirty odd years and I can count on one hand the number of soakings I've got.
Someone was giving out about the ladies toilets in Navan a week or so ago.
We're gone fierce soft as a nation.
You can tell you're not from Connacht.
Worst soaking I ever got was in Carrick.
Mine was Antrim away to Fermanagh, 06 Championship. Had manflu following the 85 mile trip home. Still havent dried out properly
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 06, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
It has been revealed that Cork GAA have been left with a debt of €23m from the redevelopment of Pairc Uí Chaoimh. The final cost is €86.4m, that represents an over-run of €16m.
The €86.4 million isn't the final final cost - it's only the current cost - it's very likely to break the €90 million cost before everything is paid for.
A year ago they were talking about the stadium being debt-free when it opened in, now they have a bridging loan for €19 million in place co-signed by Croke Park.
An utter disaster of a project and all the main players are all going to be on the board of the stadium.
According this official looking guy at 1.59 in the video "it's the only stadium in Europe that meets all the standards"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI)
I wonder what standards he is talking about, any ideas?
Quote from: CJ2017 on December 08, 2017, 05:48:36 AM
According this official looking guy at 1.59 in the video "it's the only stadium in Europe that meets all the standards"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI)
I wonder what standards he is talking about, any ideas?
Well obviously its the only new stadium in the world to be built to the old soviet standards but here is the key for the same price as a modern all seater roofed stadium elsewhere ingenious.
Quote from: CJ2017 on December 08, 2017, 05:48:36 AM
According this official looking guy at 1.59 in the video "it's the only stadium in Europe that meets all the standards"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI)
I wonder what standards he is talking about, any ideas?
probably things like access security playing surfaace , spectator comfort , seat size ,lines of visibility, concession stall areas sufficient bathrooms located near hospital public transport , city center ETC,Architectural design, player, media and disabled facilities
or maybe its just about the roof
This how uefa categorise
with 4 being best i think Croke park is a cat 3 stadium inother words international class rather than world/Elite class
Category 1 Category 2 Category 3 Category 4
Field of play 100 to 105 m long, 64 to 68 m wide 105 m long, 68 m wide
size of referee's dressing room
floodlighting to suit broadcaster
VIP parking
Spectator standing allowed
Minimum Seated capacity
Minimum total VIP seats
VIP seats for visiting team
VIP hospitality area
media working area
number of photographers
space for main camera platform
number of seats in the press box
number of commentary positions
number of TV studios
post-match interview positions
Minimum outside broadcast van area
Minimum number of seats in press conference room
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-naming-rights-will-not-be-sold-cheaply-463925.html
I read this article about the naming rights, Interesting to see what Cork Chairman said.
"We have retained the services of an expert company in this area, based in Dublin, which is seeking out potential sponsors. Páirc Uí Chaoimh as a project has been an outstanding success and is now regarded as one of the best stadiums in Europe," he said.
Is it really that good?!
Quote from: CJ2017 on December 08, 2017, 05:48:36 AM
According this official looking guy at 1.59 in the video "it's the only stadium in Europe that meets all the standards"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7YtwokPxI)
I wonder what standards he is talking about, any ideas?
He's a Corkman, so it meets the only standard that matters. It's the only stadium in Europe that's in Cork.
Indeed.
Heard about the Cork man with the inferiority complex?
He thought he was only as good as everyone else.
Shocking news - only 25 million over budget, GAA step in
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cormac-byrne-fears-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-funding-come-to-fruition-and-the-gaa-will-be-counting-the-cost-for-years-37626248.html (https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cormac-byrne-fears-over-pirc-u-chaoimh-funding-come-to-fruition-and-the-gaa-will-be-counting-the-cost-for-years-37626248.html)
Heard it referred to as The Pairc de Fránc
Is it plain incompetence or something worse?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 14, 2018, 04:48:28 PM
Is it plain incompetence or something worse?
Cork so a bit of both.
Many jobs in Ireland have run over budget if they were scoped during the recession as building costs increased significantly.
However, there needs to a thorough investigation here and then they should move on to Casement.
On the mouth of Christmas the general public get the news that the scheme has overrun by many millions and that Croke Park are going to sort it but that it's going to take many years to run it around.
Surely 18 months after the place opened it was apparent that the overall cost was way in excess of the contract price and this can't be news to the inner circle so why the secrecy ?.
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2018, 11:56:58 PM
On the mouth of Christmas the general public get the news that the scheme has overrun by many millions and that Croke Park are going to sort it but that it's going to take many years to run it around.
Surely 18 months after the place opened it was apparent that the overall cost was way in excess of the contract price and this can't be news to the inner circle so why the secrecy ?.
Frank retires tomorrow.
Was there much incentive for them to keep the cost down if they knew Croke Park would have to step in and bail them out?
Ros, Kildare, Mayowestros, Galway, Cork........
All need(ed) Central GAA help.
Surely time for some full time staff to be provided to the Provincial Councils to assist the Co Board Volunteers with projects and finances, oversight etc
And its not even that great a stadium by modern standards. 2 open ended terraces. Where did the extra 25 million go. And where did they get the extra 25 million?.
How do you go £25 million over? That's a shitload of dough.
I mean, wasn't Casement meant to cost £60 million? 25 m is nearly half that!
Quote from: BennyCake on December 15, 2018, 02:52:35 PM
How do you go £25 million over? That's a shitload of dough.
I mean, wasn't Casement meant to cost £60 million? 25 m is nearly half that!
Already £10m sunk on Casement and no work has started obviously
Quote from: Minder on December 15, 2018, 03:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 15, 2018, 02:52:35 PM
How do you go £25 million over? That's a shitload of dough.
I mean, wasn't Casement meant to cost £60 million? 25 m is nearly half that!
Already £10m sunk on Casement and no work has started obviously
True, but just using that as a guide. 25m nearly half a stadium. Probably a third of total cost for puc. Just mad how costs can go over by so much
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/level-of-corks-stadium-debt-in-dispute-dnmv3vpmr (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/level-of-corks-stadium-debt-in-dispute-dnmv3vpmr)
Bizarre!
Croke Park says its €110 million
Cork County board say it isnt, thats its actually €86 million
Which is it?!
Quote from: BennyCake on December 15, 2018, 02:52:35 PM
How do you go £25 million over? That's a shitload of dough.
I mean, wasn't Casement meant to cost £60 million? 25 m is nearly half that!
Lot of money to keep the weeds at bay.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 15, 2018, 01:24:12 PM
Ros, Kildare, Mayowestros, Galway, Cork........
All need(ed) Central GAA help.
Surely time for some full time staff to be provided to the Provincial Councils to assist the Co Board Volunteers with projects and finances, oversight etc
This would be a very positive move
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on December 15, 2018, 01:00:45 PM
Was there much incentive for them to keep the cost down if they knew Croke Park would have to step in and bail them out?
Croke Park don't do bail outs, they do refinancing deals.
Cork GAA will pay in the long run.
(https://www.irishexaminer.com/remote/media.central.ie/media/images/p/PaircUiChaoimh2Jul14_large.jpg?width=648&s=ie-678048)
(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36379532.ece/2c5e7/AUTOCROP/w620/78pairc.jpg)
Big Screen(s) and Hawkeye still required. Wonder what the final cost would be?! Phase 2 perhaps.
Quote from: CJ2017 on December 19, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
(https://www.irishexaminer.com/remote/media.central.ie/media/images/p/PaircUiChaoimh2Jul14_large.jpg?width=648&s=ie-678048)
(https://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36379532.ece/2c5e7/AUTOCROP/w620/78pairc.jpg)
Big Screen(s) and Hawkeye still required. Wonder what the final cost would be?! Phase 2 perhaps.
Looks no different bar 1 side.
and if you get no closer it probably isn't and your not cramped into the tiny seats
but when the crumbling old wreck fell down that's when people would be giving out .
BTW was the 1st picture take before they installed the River lee???
Quote from: rosnarun on December 19, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
and if you get no closer it probably isn't and your not cramped into the tiny seats
but when the crumbling old wreck fell down that's when people would be giving out .
BTW was the 1st picture take before they installed the River lee???
Taken from the opposite side, the river is just at the bottom of the shot.
Now we know why there was an increase in the ticket for the county hurling final in mid-October: €20 up to €25 with a crowd of just over 10, 000 in attendence.
So closed until the pitch is fixed, Cork games to Pairc i Rinn.
Geezer on the news said either a full year to redo the pitch right or do what Croker do at eyewatering cost
That's what happens when you let soccerball in.
Better out one if these in for the non Connacht folks ;D
The Cork boyos trying to blame Croke Park for the state of the pitch.
Neck like a jockey's bollox.
For those not following closely Frank Murphy is one of the directors of Staid Cois Laoi.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-pitch-back-in-spotlight-902056.html
Shambles is the only word that springs to mind.
There was also this article in the Examiner today.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-chiefs-deem-pairc-pitch-unacceptable-as-replacement-looks-likely-902271.html
Shambles is too kind of a word to describe this.
Also in further you could not make it up news - Frank won €3,000 in this month's Cork club draw.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 05, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
There was also this article in the Examiner today.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-chiefs-deem-pairc-pitch-unacceptable-as-replacement-looks-likely-902271.html
Shambles is too kind of a word to describe this.
Also in further you could not make it up news - Frank won €3,000 in this month's Cork club draw.
(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/fatherted/S02E02/S02E02-A8R7EnzQ-subtitled.jpg)
(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/fatherted/S02E02/S02E02-kNv3Kmr5-subtitled.jpg)
God the GAA who make all the right decisions and never make a F*** up, have really done it now! An over budgeted stadium that is convenient to no one - not even the Cork people themselves with a sh1te surface. Jez, if the FAI had done the same you'd be hearing the same old digs about that useless lot.
Not to worry - the GAA are of the people. So it will be the people who will pay for it.
Sure we are paying for it. €20 for a league ticket!
Pitch to be replaced later this year, presumably from that farm the GAA bought in Lusk for this very issue.
The Cork v Clare hurling game moved to pairc ui Rinn thankfully.
The football can still be played in Franks Colosseum
Quote from: hardstation on March 08, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47501773
Here we go again....
Who is going to front up the extra dough?
Just get it built, as they say
Hardstation's question goes to the heart of the matter. The extra £32m required will obviously not be coming from the GAA and the idea that a civil servant might sign it off is fanciful. Without a Stormont executive, the Ulster Council may have see what could be built with the original £77m which was allocated and presumably remains in place. A 25,000 capacity stadium, possibly with two main stands and terraced areas at either end, would be brilliant for Antrim and may yet have to fit the bill at provincial level if the planning permission ever comes through.
Quote from: hardstation on March 08, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47501773
Here we go again....
Who is going to front up the extra dough?
The Dubs will pay for it with all the full houses they will have for all their home games in the drive for 10! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 08, 2019, 11:34:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on March 08, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47501773
Here we go again....
Who is going to front up the extra dough?
The Dubs will pay for it with all the full houses they will have for all their home games in the drive for 10! ;D
Surely it will be the " yen for ten"
Quote from: Oldhacker on March 08, 2019, 11:31:53 PMWithout a Stormont executive, the Ulster Council may have see what could be built with the original £77m which was allocated and presumably remains in place. A 25,000 capacity stadium, possibly with two main stands and terraced areas at either end, would be brilliant for Antrim and may yet have to fit the bill at provincial level if the planning permission ever comes through.
Would be a great stadium for Antrim, but if that is what happens, we might as well stick with Clones at provincial level, at least for finals.
Which wouldn't be a bad thing in itself, if you gave it a brush up. I imagine both would be good venues for Super 8 games as well.
Quote from: sekibanki on March 09, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
Quote from: Oldhacker on March 08, 2019, 11:31:53 PMWithout a Stormont executive, the Ulster Council may have see what could be built with the original £77m which was allocated and presumably remains in place. A 25,000 capacity stadium, possibly with two main stands and terraced areas at either end, would be brilliant for Antrim and may yet have to fit the bill at provincial level if the planning permission ever comes through.
Would be a great stadium for Antrim, but if that is what happens, we might as well stick with Clones at provincial level, at least for finals.
Which wouldn't be a bad thing in itself, if you gave it a brush up. I imagine both would be good venues for Super 8 games as well.
how many will go to an Antrim football game there?
Was less than 500 there for the Derry game earlier in the yr
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 10, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Was less than 500 there for the Derry game earlier in the yr
Probably more Derry fans than Antrim
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 10, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 10, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Was less than 500 there for the Derry game earlier in the yr
Probably more Derry fans than Antrim
Yeah, but the new stadium will look nice and sure the high attendances at GAA matches will pay for it!
A nice vanity project!
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 10, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 10, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 10, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Was less than 500 there for the Derry game earlier in the yr
Probably more Derry fans than Antrim
Yeah, but the new stadium will look nice and sure the high attendances at GAA matches will pay for it!
A nice vanity project!
Better off spending the money on coaching than a white elephant stadium
Hope they use it if we travel to Cork for the Div 3 League next year
Nothing like concerts and rugby to earn a few €€€€
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-may-be-profitable-from-2020-967279.html
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Nothing like concerts and rugby to earn a few €€€€
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-may-be-profitable-from-2020-967279.html
If we get concerts. If we get rugby. If we can sell the naming rights. Some spin
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Nothing like concerts and rugby to earn a few €€€€
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/pairc-ui-chaoimh-may-be-profitable-from-2020-967279.html
Is there an agreement with residents on how many concerts they can have per year ?
Are there any/many residents nearby?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Are there any/many residents nearby?
Yes. To the north and east is the river, west is industrial and south is residential. Hoewver you can direct punters in from the west
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Are there any/many residents nearby?
Good point - I'm know sure how close it is to residential areas.
Similar to Croke Park
The limit,if any would be in the planning application
They have 2 Westlife concerts anyway (God help us!!) Plus an International Rules game in November 2020.
Cork Co Board had a loss of €560k in the last 12 months.
Main contributor Drop of €200k in Club Championships receipts caused by having a more cramped schedule than before.
QuoteAudit and risk group claims Cork GAA figures 'misleading'Audit and risk group claims Cork GAA figures 'misleading'
By Michael Moynihan
Staff writer
Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - 12:00 AM
The Cork County Board's audit and risk sub-committee has threatened to resign after advising the board executive to inform last week's annual convention that the board's deficit is more than €2.4m — and not the €560,000 figure given to delegates.
Documents seen by the Irish Examiner show the audit and risk sub-committee describe the "decision not to present the overall combined financial position to the convention" as a decision which "questions the fundamental integrity of the Cork County Board".
The sub-committee issued a report to the county board management committee on December 4 stating it had met five times. "Key Executives (county board CEO/secretary and treasurer) also attended certain meetings," the report said.
The report stated the sub-committee's main concern was the "overall level of completeness and transparency being reflected in the 2019 Financial Statements as it excludes the 2019 Financial Statements of the two subsidiary companies, namely Páirc Uí Chaoimh CTR and Stáid Cois Laoi CTR."
The report states that the sub-committee "believes it is imperative that the complete, albeit estimated, combined financial position of the Cork County Board is articulated to delegates at the County Convention on 8th December 2019. The (sub-)committee's position on this has been outlined to the Key Executives."
The sub-committee then outlines the combined loss of the subsidiaries as "in excess of €2.4m" based on the board loss of €0.56m, "the first year of the recharge for the stadium from Cork County Board to Páirc Uí Chaoimh CTR (€1.36m) and the financial losses of the two subsidiaries, which we understand to be in excess of the losses incurred in 2018 (€0.47m).
To leave delegates with the impression that the financial losses are as low as €0.56m would, in our view, be misleading.
The report adds: "Failure to outline the combined position would, in the view of the (sub-)Committee, present a very significant risk to the reputation of the Cork County Board with its key stakeholders and the wider GAA community as has been demonstrated recently in other organisations. Furthermore, it has the potential to damage the brand and to endanger future funding from Government, business, and individuals.
"It is the view of the committee that a decision not to present the overall combined financial position to the convention questions the fundamental integrity of the Cork County Board.
"If a fair, accurate, and complete financial position is not communicated appropriately then the relevance and effectiveness of this committee must be questioned."
The combined figure was not presented to delegates, which led the sub-committee to write to the board again on December 11.
That letter stated the sub-committee had "issued a report to you via the CEO/Secretary on 4th December (see attached) which we now understand not all of you received.
"It is a matter of the gravest concern that you were not made aware of the report and that the issues outlined in that report were not actioned at the Convention on 8th December 2019 as specifically requested ... the financial statements that were presented at the Convention did not represent fairly and completely the financial position of the Cork County Board."
The letter adds: "The decision to disregard our report puts this committee in an invidious position and has called into question its relevance and effectiveness. Consequently, the logical course of action is to resign.
"However recognising the potential reputational damage to the Cork County Board by its Audit and Risk Committee being forced to resign, we request the Management Committee to recite the matter by 28th January 2020."
The executive is expected to try to meet with the members of the sub-committee to try to resolve the situation. The audit and risk committee was approved by the executive on September 24 and by the county committee on October 1.
It is made up of Gerard Lyons, (chair) retired audit partner from Deloitte; Ciarán Murphy, former emeritus dean of Cork University Business School and current emeritus professor of Business Information Systems at UCC; Róisín O'Sullivan, audit associate director at KPMG and Mourneabbey ladies footballer; and Michael Harte, chief financial officer at Dairygold and member of Douglas GAA Club.
Further issues with the finances in Cork - looking at the makeup of this committee, their statement and their threat to resign en masse, it doesn't really inspire all that much confidence that just because Frank is gone that the culture of secrecy and pulling strokes has been done away with.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/audit-and-risk-group-claims-cork-gaa-figures-misleading-970853.html
Quote from: Oldhacker on March 08, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Hardstation's question goes to the heart of the matter. The extra £32m required will obviously not be coming from the GAA and the idea that a civil servant might sign it off is fanciful. Without a Stormont executive, the Ulster Council may have see what could be built with the original £77m which was allocated and presumably remains in place. A 25,000 capacity stadium, possibly with two main stands and terraced areas at either end, would be brilliant for Antrim and may yet have to fit the bill at provincial level if the planning permission ever comes through.
Not even 25,000.
One seated stand (replacing existing stand).
Roof over the terrace on the far side.
Leave the two ends as uncovered terrace.
So you have a covered seating area, a covered standing area - and the two ends for the one (?) or two (?) times in the summer that the capacity might be needed.
Then take the money saved, write a cheque - and hand it to the RVH.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 17, 2019, 10:36:59 PM
Quote from: Oldhacker on March 08, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
Hardstation's question goes to the heart of the matter. The extra £32m required will obviously not be coming from the GAA and the idea that a civil servant might sign it off is fanciful. Without a Stormont executive, the Ulster Council may have see what could be built with the original £77m which was allocated and presumably remains in place. A 25,000 capacity stadium, possibly with two main stands and terraced areas at either end, would be brilliant for Antrim and may yet have to fit the bill at provincial level if the planning permission ever comes through.
Not even 25,000.
One seated stand (replacing existing stand).
Roof over the terrace on the far side.
Leave the two ends as uncovered terrace.
So you have a covered seating area, a covered standing area - and the two ends for the one (?) or two (?) times in the summer that the capacity might be needed.
Then take the money saved, write a cheque - and hand it to the RVH.
This money was not for Antrim, it was for all GAA people in the 6 counties, many of whom do actually attend games.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 17, 2019, 11:43:54 PM
This money was not for Antrim, it was for all GAA people in the 6 counties, many of whom do actually attend games.
Most of whom have no
need to have games in Casement given there are half a dozen other stadia around the province (and 3 other good ones in the North).
A lot of GAA people, or their families, in the 6 counties will be dependent on services in the RVH. The money would be better spent there than on a white elephant.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-what-was-the-point-of-spending-96m-on-p%C3%A1irc-u%C3%AD-chaoimh-1.4792082
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 03, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/ciar%C3%A1n-murphy-what-was-the-point-of-spending-96m-on-p%C3%A1irc-u%C3%AD-chaoimh-1.4792082
Maybe Cork should have spent the €96 million on Pairc Ui Rinn and Thurles instead of Pairc Ui Chaoimh if that's where they prefer to play their Championship matches.