Brexit.

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Farrandeelin

Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2020, 04:07:04 PM
Our lads expecting a no deal

https://m.independent.ie/news/budget-drafted-on-assumption-of-no-deal-brexit-39536516.html

They have to be prepared I suppose. I can't see a no deal myself, but anything is possible with Bojo in charge.
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sid waddell

Expecting anything other than the worst from the current US or UK regimes is very foolish

Expecting anything other than naked bad faith is foolish

The Tories' game is to pile the pressure on Ireland

"Give us everything we want or it's a hard border which you will have to put up, and a re-starting of the Troubles, which we don't give a flying shit about"

seafoid

They specialise in provocation


https://www.ft.com/content/53af9378-e1c2-49d1-bf01-25319f218083

Beyond the controversial clauses that would renege on provisions in the withdrawal agreement to keep an open border in Ireland, the essential purpose of the new law is to tighten England's grip over the rest of the UK.  Decisions over food and environment norms, labour law and industrial standards hitherto shared with Brussels will belong solely to Westminster. Powers over health and education held by the Scottish parliament and Northern Ireland and Welsh assemblies will be diluted. Westminster will decide whether to scrap the animal husbandry rules that presently bar imports of American chlorinated chicken.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2020, 07:14:09 AM
They specialise in provocation


https://www.ft.com/content/53af9378-e1c2-49d1-bf01-25319f218083

Beyond the controversial clauses that would renege on provisions in the withdrawal agreement to keep an open border in Ireland, the essential purpose of the new law is to tighten England's grip over the rest of the UK.  Decisions over food and environment norms, labour law and industrial standards hitherto shared with Brussels will belong solely to Westminster. Powers over health and education held by the Scottish parliament and Northern Ireland and Welsh assemblies will be diluted. Westminster will decide whether to scrap the animal husbandry rules that presently bar imports of American chlorinated chicken.

SNP called it a power grab yesterday and they weren't wrong.


imtommygunn

We really need to detach from these pricks ASAP. I don't know that there has ever been a more corrupt british government and that is saying something.

johnnycool

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 17, 2020, 08:11:00 AM
We really need to detach from these pricks ASAP. I don't know that there has ever been a more corrupt british government and that is saying something.

There very well may have been but the way they're awarding contracts of 10's of millions to their cronies on the back of Corona Virus there certainly hasn't been a more blatant one.

imtommygunn

Yeah definitely agree with that. Not one f**k could they give. Yet people continue to vote them in.

Look over there - people on boats costing us money. (Only a tiny tiny fraction of the money we throw away giving contracts to our mates but hey they're foreigners so they must be bad).

Taylor

The only thing stopping them is that the US wont agree any sort of trade deal.

For this reason alone I cannot see them breaking international law

imtommygunn

Yeah. It is not morals stopping them.

Things with these devious feckers always have an angle so I have no doubt there is some kind of angle with it to shaft someone somewhere.

Farrandeelin

Genuine question to the folks who think it'll deliver a United Ireland, do you see the Secretary of State for NI giving a border poll? Personally can't see it happening despite SF continually banging the drum about it if they ever do get into power down here. Especially if it's a Tory in charge.
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JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 17, 2020, 08:53:48 AM
Genuine question to the folks who think it'll deliver a United Ireland, do you see the Secretary of State for NI giving a border poll? Personally can't see it happening despite SF continually banging the drum about it if they ever do get into power down here. Especially if it's a Tory in charge.

The secretary of state may not call a border poll when they should but if there are a number of conditions that make it look likely then I would expect it will go through the courts.

imtommygunn

It's still a long way off but this last 12-24 months has definitely made me think it's possible in this lifetime whereas before that I wouldn't have thought it possible even in my child's lifetime.

Rossfan

Firstly we need Scotland to retake its place among the nations of the Earth.
Brexit and the Cummings/Johnson regime have  brought that forward by around 25 years.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Taylor

A UI wont even come into discussions unless Scotland go first.

Once Scotland go then it becomes much more of a reality.

However, that reality will mean we go back to some form of the troubles - that may not be admitted by a lot of people on both sides but it is a reality.

johnnycool

Quote from: Taylor on September 17, 2020, 09:39:57 AM
A UI wont even come into discussions unless Scotland go first.

Once Scotland go then it becomes much more of a reality.

However, that reality will mean we go back to some form of the troubles - that may not be admitted by a lot of people on both sides but it is a reality.

There's always that possibility but Loyalist paramilitary organisational structures in a normal society would have been decimated throughout the troubles if the RUC and the various branches of British intelligence weren't giving them cover, intelligence, supplies, support as well as turning a blind eye.

That's not to say they aren't capable, they are. But their impact will depend on the agreement and any form of a UI will need to offer political unionism a meaningful voice to ensure the vast majority of decent unionists don't feel alienated in their own country.