12 Week Ban For Geezer

[Main Street]

These posts are almost satirical. Between this forum and one other I've 'heard' four different accounts of what McGeeney is 'rumoured' to have said to the linesman and/or the referee. That's a lot of misinformation. Yet the people questioning the details of this issue are the 'muppets' who should 'take a hard look at themselves'.

Your point is articulate and well made, but unfortunately you're wasting your time. What you're dealing with here are bitter, small minded individuals who cannot debate these things in a reasonable manner without that bitterness coming through. Reasoned debate - as your post alluded to - is all but impossible.

You should appeal for calm on the armagh gaa forum. Some disgraceful comments and very few reasoned ones. Completely lost the run of ourselves if that is representative

I think most of it is in jest. As you say no one knows the truth. In the heat of the moment I would doubt even the 2 involved hand on heart could be sure what was said.

We do know the truth as it stands now. McGeeney said the truth is in the referee's report and if the ref stands by it  then it remains the truth.
We give the referees the authority and we trust them to make an honest report.
Joe McQuillan is the top ref in Ulster and one of the best in the country, therefore I would expect that a high degree of integrity is one of his qualities.

[Owen Brannigan]

These posts are almost satirical. Between this forum and one other I've 'heard' four different accounts of what McGeeney is 'rumoured' to have said to the linesman and/or the referee. That's a lot of misinformation. Yet the people questioning the details of this issue are the 'muppets' who should 'take a hard look at themselves'.

Your point is articulate and well made, but unfortunately you're wasting your time. What you're dealing with here are bitter, small minded individuals who cannot debate these things in a reasonable manner without that bitterness coming through. Reasoned debate - as your post alluded to - is all but impossible.

You should appeal for calm on the armagh gaa forum. Some disgraceful comments and very few reasoned ones. Completely lost the run of ourselves if that is representative

I think most of it is in jest. As you say no one knows the truth. In the heat of the moment I would doubt even the 2 involved hand on heart could be sure what was said.

We do know the truth as it stands now. McGeeney said the truth is in the referee's report and if the ref stands by it  then it remains the truth.
We give the referees the authority and we trust them to make an honest report.
Joe McQuillan is the top ref in Ulster and one of the best in the country, therefore I would expect that a high degree of integrity is one of his qualities.

McGeeney said the truth is in the referee's report:  Please give us your source for this.

we trust them to make an honest report: Personal experience would confirm for me that this is not always the case and another poster, Mup, has given his experience that this is not the case.  http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27853.msg1691212#msg1691212

Joe McQuillan is the top ref McQuillan wasn't the referee, it was an inexperienced colleague who had lost control of the game.

[Main Street]

These posts are almost satirical. Between this forum and one other I've 'heard' four different accounts of what McGeeney is 'rumoured' to have said to the linesman and/or the referee. That's a lot of misinformation. Yet the people questioning the details of this issue are the 'muppets' who should 'take a hard look at themselves'.

Your point is articulate and well made, but unfortunately you're wasting your time. What you're dealing with here are bitter, small minded individuals who cannot debate these things in a reasonable manner without that bitterness coming through. Reasoned debate - as your post alluded to - is all but impossible.

You should appeal for calm on the armagh gaa forum. Some disgraceful comments and very few reasoned ones. Completely lost the run of ourselves if that is representative

I think most of it is in jest. As you say no one knows the truth. In the heat of the moment I would doubt even the 2 involved hand on heart could be sure what was said.

We do know the truth as it stands now. McGeeney said the truth is in the referee's report and if the ref stands by it  then it remains the truth.
We give the referees the authority and we trust them to make an honest report.
Joe McQuillan is the top ref in Ulster and one of the best in the country, therefore I would expect that a high degree of integrity is one of his qualities.

McGeeney said the truth is in the referee's report:  Please give us your source for this.

Sorry, you said it. not McGeeney
"When a referee makes a statement in his report it cannot be overturned as it is taken to be the absolute truth under GAA rule book."

we trust them to make an honest report: Personal experience would confirm for me that this is not always the case and another poster, Mup, has given his experience that this is not the case.  http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27853.msg1691212#msg1691212

Along with your own questionable evidence, there is a  random anecdote being presented from some u14 game somewhere, as definitive proof that Joe McQuillan is a liar or that he did not accurately hear what McGeeney was mouthing into his ear?

Joe McQuillan is the top ref McQuillan wasn't the referee, it was an inexperienced colleague who had lost control of the game.

Who said Joe was the ref?
"Disciplinary officials have confirmed McGeeney is to be banned from the sideline for the June 4 Ulster quarter-final against Down in Páirc Esler and beyond after an exchange with linesman Joe McQuillan."
I trust it was bould Joe who reported an account of the exchange to the ref.
Honest Joe is a top ref who embodies integrity in the game.

[Throw ball]

Main Street I have no doubt something was said. How serious I do not know. We also do not know if Joe himself would have reported it if he was referee. He may have passed it off as heat of the moment. Having watched Gaelic sport for many a year it is obvious referees do not report all such incidents. If every incident was reported and dealt with - as they probably should - this story would not have made many headlines.
The major question is does the punishment fit the crime. Is it consistent with other incidents?  It does not appear so. It also does not look like the rules give any leeway
As a final point if McGeeney did say something worth a suspension does anyone actually think he would have carried out the threat? I really doubt it.
Also considering how he reacted to a number of bizarre decisions thus year I feel his reaction was more to do with the welfare of his players than any spite against McQuillan.

[BennyCake]

Is this really going to hamper our chances this summer? McGeeney will still be in the dressing room before and at half time. It might even benefit us him being higher up with a better view. And with technology these days, he can rely instructions to the bench.

But let's face it, this might gee us up to beat Down but that's as far as we'll go anyway. We're not Ulster or AI contenders.

It done with. Let's move on.

[naka]

Think it says more about what a precious  JOE is than what it says about Mc geeney

[seafoid]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0426/870608-mcconville-expects-fight-extreme-ban-all-the-way/

[Rossfan]

So McGeeney did/said nothing.
Joe McQuillan told the ref to make a false report.
Seems refs in club games in Armagh submit false reports all the time.

Funny oul world up North.

[Itchy]

So McGeeney did/said nothing.
Joe McQuillan told the ref to make a false report.
Seems refs in club games in Armagh submit false reports all the time.

Funny oul world up North.

Yes that's way more likely than McGeeney verbally abusing the ref and getting a deserved suspension for it

[Throw ball]

So McGeeney did/said nothing.
Joe McQuillan told the ref to make a false report.
Seems refs in club games in Armagh submit false reports all the time.

Funny oul world up North.

Who said this?

[seafoid]

Anyone can lose it all
Anyone can lose it all
Just slack marking of Tipp on the last ball
Anyone can lose it all

Anyone can make a mess
anyone can make a mess
Just take on Armagh and make it less
Anyone can make a mess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMZSxehxHEc

[Owen Brannigan]

So McGeeney did/said nothing.
Joe McQuillan told the ref to make a false report.
Seems refs in club games in Armagh submit false reports all the time.

Funny oul world up North.

Who said this?

+1

[smelmoth]

These posts are almost satirical. Between this forum and one other I've 'heard' four different accounts of what McGeeney is 'rumoured' to have said to the linesman and/or the referee. That's a lot of misinformation. Yet the people questioning the details of this issue are the 'muppets' who should 'take a hard look at themselves'.

Your point is articulate and well made, but unfortunately you're wasting your time. What you're dealing with here are bitter, small minded individuals who cannot debate these things in a reasonable manner without that bitterness coming through. Reasoned debate - as your post alluded to - is all but impossible.

You should appeal for calm on the armagh gaa forum. Some disgraceful comments and very few reasoned ones. Completely lost the run of ourselves if that is representative

I think most of it is in jest. As you say no one knows the truth. In the heat of the moment I would doubt even the 2 involved hand on heart could be sure what was said.

When people say the linesman deserved the threat to be carried out or that he has never ever been impartial - is that humour?

There were a few references to the Davy Fitz punishment. It has zero relevance. Geezer got the minimum punishment. He could not have got less. Someone else getting a different punishment for a different offence with a different punishment scale is of no relevance.

Also I think someone said it was mad for decisions to be made on the word of an official. Unbelievable

"In the heat of the moment " doesn't work either. I wasn't close enough to hear what was said. No fan was but what is the evidence that the linesman was hot and bothered?

[smelmoth]

Main Street I have no doubt something was said. How serious I do not know. We also do not know if Joe himself would have reported it if he was referee. He may have passed it off as heat of the moment. Having watched Gaelic sport for many a year it is obvious referees do not report all such incidents. If every incident was reported and dealt with - as they probably should - this story would not have made many headlines.
The major question is does the punishment fit the crime. Is it consistent with other incidents?  It does not appear so. It also does not look like the rules give any leeway
As a final point if McGeeney did say something worth a suspension does anyone actually think he would have carried out the threat? I really doubt it.
Also considering how he reacted to a number of bizarre decisions thus year I feel his reaction was more to do with the welfare of his players than any spite against McQuillan.

Are you seriously arguing for a sentence less than the minimum tariff? How is that going to work?

Not all fans buy into the persecution complex. Start winning meaningful matches and we won't need one

[Owen Brannigan]

These posts are almost satirical. Between this forum and one other I've 'heard' four different accounts of what McGeeney is 'rumoured' to have said to the linesman and/or the referee. That's a lot of misinformation. Yet the people questioning the details of this issue are the 'muppets' who should 'take a hard look at themselves'.

Your point is articulate and well made, but unfortunately you're wasting your time. What you're dealing with here are bitter, small minded individuals who cannot debate these things in a reasonable manner without that bitterness coming through. Reasoned debate - as your post alluded to - is all but impossible.

You should appeal for calm on the armagh gaa forum. Some disgraceful comments and very few reasoned ones. Completely lost the run of ourselves if that is representative

I think most of it is in jest. As you say no one knows the truth. In the heat of the moment I would doubt even the 2 involved hand on heart could be sure what was said.

When people say the linesman deserved the threat to be carried out or that he has never ever been impartial - is that humour?

There were a few references to the Davy Fitz punishment. It has zero relevance. Geezer got the minimum punishment. He could not have got less. Someone else getting a different punishment for a different offence with a different punishment scale is of no relevance.

Also I think someone said it was mad for decisions to be made on the word of an official. Unbelievable

"In the heat of the moment " doesn't work either. I wasn't close enough to hear what was said. No fan was but what is the evidence that the linesman was hot and bothered?

It's the rule that the word of a referee in his report cannot be contradicted.

Of course the officials were 'hot and bothered'. The alleged incident occurred at the end of a game when an experienced referee had lost control, had doled out three red cards and, according to reports, the discipline of the Antrim players had broken down. 

In addition, McGeeney is being treated differently because of the behaviour of Davy Fitz and the uproar it caused in the media.  As set out by Colm O'Rourke, common sense was not being used, and officials on a committee decided to use the report on McGeeney to send out a warning to other managers.  It is just like how the cards are used hot and heavy in the first few weeks of the championship and by the end there is hardly a card issued. 

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/colm-orourke-why-losing-the-head-never-works-out-35666459.html

BTW I can hardly imagine that McGeeney was as hands on as Davy given the TV and photo evidence.......