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Show posts MenuQuote from: Orior on July 17, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
There used to be a myth that Armagh would never win an All-Ireland while they wore orange jerseys.Or maybe it was a curse.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 06:30:22 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 15, 2020, 06:07:59 PMQuote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 05:46:56 PMQuote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 05:04:30 PMQuote from: Taylor on June 15, 2020, 04:37:42 PMEvery post on this thread that engages in whataboutery (ie. a play for fake victimhood in the absence of being able to defend why Mitchel continues to adorn the names of GAA clubs) or says something like "where does it stop" (an explicit plea of fake victimhood - I always read such phrases in a stereotypical Brexiteer voice) is exactly the sort of thing I refer to in my first quoted post in this exchange.Quote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
It's really weird that the "lesson" a load of white people here have taken out of all this racist police brutality stuff in the US is that white people are the real victims because a racist scene got deleted from Fawlty Towers and people are talking about consigning slavery propagandist John Mitchel to the dustbin of history that he deserves to lie in.
Can you direct me to the posts here about this lesson that the load of white people have learned Sid?
The real lesson out of all this is that endemic racism and lack of accountability for racist police brutality persists not just in the US, but that endemic racism persists in all white majority societies, including Ireland.
Liveline ran for over a week with heartbreaking stories from Irish people of colour, we operate the dehumanising Direct provision system, and we have a very long running problem with anti-Traveller discrimination and bigotry in this country. Peter Casey saw his vote multiply twentyfold when he decided to go full racist.
Symbols are a great way of perpetuating that endemic racism, and yet here we have a load of white people who fail to see problem with the glorification of a confederate, pro-slavery propagandist.
And every single word here in favour of the retention of John Mitchel's name adorning GAA clubs has been dripping in the exact sort of fake white victimhood I talk about.
When endemic racism is highlighted, white supremacists always attempt to change the narrative.
Attempted white supremacist narrative change number one was "this issue is not the endmic racism and the lack of accountabilty for racist police brutality, the issue is the looting".
Attempted white supremacist narrative change number two is "They've gone too far! Where does it stop?!!!"
White supremacism isn't just people going round in KKK hoods or holding burning torches or shouting about blood and soil or driving cars into innocent anti-fascist protestors, you know.
White supremacism is the search for narratives to deflect, to deny, to turn reality on its head, to turn victimhood on its head, when white people are taken out of their comfort zone.
We have a very long running problem with Travellers!
We have w very long running problem with plenty of different types of people on this island. Why single out travellers?
Don't be naive. There's a reason why there is so much anti-traveller feeling in this country (and in Britain). No other group has such a high percentage of scumbags amongst them. There is a huge problem with them. Intimidating, thieving, interrogating, torturing and threatening people and neighbourhoods. Fines and sentencing clearly doesn't work as their criminal record won't affect them getting mortgages, jobs etc, the way it affects everyone else. Police mostly don't want to know when it comes to dealing with them. Everyone of them are the same, raised and taught to be like this from a young age.
Absolute scum the lot of them.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 05:46:56 PMQuote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 05:04:30 PMQuote from: Taylor on June 15, 2020, 04:37:42 PMEvery post on this thread that engages in whataboutery (ie. a play for fake victimhood in the absence of being able to defend why Mitchel continues to adorn the names of GAA clubs) or says something like "where does it stop" (an explicit plea of fake victimhood - I always read such phrases in a stereotypical Brexiteer voice) is exactly the sort of thing I refer to in my first quoted post in this exchange.Quote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
It's really weird that the "lesson" a load of white people here have taken out of all this racist police brutality stuff in the US is that white people are the real victims because a racist scene got deleted from Fawlty Towers and people are talking about consigning slavery propagandist John Mitchel to the dustbin of history that he deserves to lie in.
Can you direct me to the posts here about this lesson that the load of white people have learned Sid?
The real lesson out of all this is that endemic racism and lack of accountability for racist police brutality persists not just in the US, but that endemic racism persists in all white majority societies, including Ireland.
Liveline ran for over a week with heartbreaking stories from Irish people of colour, we operate the dehumanising Direct provision system, and we have a very long running problem with anti-Traveller discrimination and bigotry in this country. Peter Casey saw his vote multiply twentyfold when he decided to go full racist.
Symbols are a great way of perpetuating that endemic racism, and yet here we have a load of white people who fail to see problem with the glorification of a confederate, pro-slavery propagandist.
And every single word here in favour of the retention of John Mitchel's name adorning GAA clubs has been dripping in the exact sort of fake white victimhood I talk about.
When endemic racism is highlighted, white supremacists always attempt to change the narrative.
Attempted white supremacist narrative change number one was "this issue is not the endmic racism and the lack of accountabilty for racist police brutality, the issue is the looting".
Attempted white supremacist narrative change number two is "They've gone too far! Where does it stop?!!!"
White supremacism isn't just people going round in KKK hoods or holding burning torches or shouting about blood and soil or driving cars into innocent anti-fascist protestors, you know.
White supremacism is the search for narratives to deflect, to deny, to turn reality on its head, to turn victimhood on its head, when white people are taken out of their comfort zone.
We have a very long running problem with Travellers!
Quote from: whitey on June 15, 2020, 01:13:30 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 15, 2020, 01:05:23 PMQuote from: whitey on June 15, 2020, 02:00:23 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 15, 2020, 12:25:21 AMQuote from: naka on June 14, 2020, 11:36:19 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 13, 2020, 11:00:05 PMPoor taste .Quote from: naka on June 13, 2020, 07:54:57 PMSo we just ignore the rest of what he did?
For me John Mitchell should be looked on Simply upon his views on our problems.
Newry is proud that he stood for the Irish cause.
I agree with that .
Sure then Jimmy Saville deserves a statue for his healthcare fundraising.
It's not. Its the conclusion of that narrow logic.
Mitchel was an extreme racist, but ignore that, he was sound on the national question.
Then we can easily ignore Churchills racism and the Tans or Stalins genocide, sure they beat the Nazis. So what if Michael Jackson raped kids, he invented a dance. Saville built a whole focking hospital.
Tipperary are going to have to find a new cup for their Senior Hurling Champions....Dan Breen Cup is no longer acceptable and should be melted down
Dan Breen was a big supporter of the Nazis
And these are the conversations we need to have.
Was he a big Nazi? Was he employed by the Nazis? Did he rag on Jews?
I think there is an objective difference between an unsavoury opinion and actual acts to further said agenda
I wish I could say it was just some throw away comment he made.....it's more serious than that
It would actually be a disqualifier for some I'm sad to say
Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with it
Quote from: BennyCake on June 14, 2020, 01:21:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2020, 10:13:37 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 14, 2020, 10:04:26 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2020, 11:06:39 PMThe principle is the same. Can we just ignoee the bad when it suits us?Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 13, 2020, 11:00:05 PMQuote from: naka on June 13, 2020, 07:54:57 PMSo we just ignore the rest of what he did?
For me John Mitchell should be looked on Simply upon his views on our problems.
Newry is proud that he stood for the Irish cause.
I agree with that .
Sure then Jimmy Saville deserves a statue for his healthcare fundraising.
Hmm, paedo and person who advocated slavery are now in the same boat
Can we just stick to point of the thread rather than links to perverts? Use examples of racism for this would be best.
Slavery was never right, and I don't know if he had slaves himself or just wrote about it, he could have changed his mind when he came home from America and fought to break the chains of English rule here. Either way linking him to Saville is not the same principle ffs
It wasn't, but in years to come, people will probably be appalled by their parents/grandparents generation that many people were against same sex marriage, and voted against it in the referendum.
And like I said earlier, if a club is set up now and named after Joe Bloggs, who it turned out, voted against SSM back in 2016 or whenever... will they demand Joe Bloggs' name removed from their club in 2050 as he will likely be looked on as homophobic?
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 07:24:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 06:24:55 PMQuote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 04:51:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 04:36:34 PMQuote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 03:36:00 PMAs I said, there's pretty strong evidence.....it's up to you whether you believe it or not
That's your credible evidence?
Where is this strong evidence because it certainly isn't in the links you posted
There's enough evidence to begin an online campaign to remove his name from Casement Park
Not in those links
LOL-and therein lies the crux of the issue my friend
You don't need evidence, you just need a large and loud enough mob online to start threatening to boycott sponsors etc to get the result you require
(And BTW-I'm just employing the same logic put forth by Sid and J70 for them demanding GAA Clubs disassociate themselves from John Mitchel)
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 04:51:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 04:36:34 PMQuote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 03:36:00 PMAs I said, there's pretty strong evidence.....it's up to you whether you believe it or not
That's your credible evidence?
Where is this strong evidence because it certainly isn't in the links you posted
There's enough evidence to begin an online campaign to remove his name from Casement Park
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 03:36:00 PMAs I said, there's pretty strong evidence.....it's up to you whether you believe it or not
That's your credible evidence?