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#1756
GAA Discussion / Re: GAA Response to Coronavirus
August 03, 2020, 08:23:44 PM
Does anyone know what did actually happen?
#1757
General discussion / Re: John Hume
August 03, 2020, 08:22:23 PM
RIP John Hume. What a man he was
#1758
General discussion / Re: Great Irish Sporting Myths
July 17, 2020, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 17, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
There used to be a myth that Armagh would never win an All-Ireland while they wore orange jerseys.Or maybe it was a curse.

Haha. I remember that
#1759
Doesn't look good for Griff at the moment but he only has himself to blame
#1761
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
June 16, 2020, 11:48:17 PM
I read them as missing out on the chance of division one football
#1762
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 15, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 15, 2020, 04:37:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
It's really weird that the "lesson" a load of white people here have taken out of all this racist police brutality stuff in the US is that white people are the real victims because a racist scene got deleted from Fawlty Towers and people are talking about consigning slavery propagandist John Mitchel to the dustbin of history that he deserves to lie in.

Can you direct me to the posts here about this lesson that the load of white people have learned Sid?
Every post on this thread that engages in whataboutery (ie. a play for fake victimhood in the absence of being able to defend why Mitchel continues to adorn the names of GAA clubs) or says something like "where does it stop" (an explicit plea of fake victimhood - I always read such phrases in a stereotypical Brexiteer voice) is exactly the sort of thing I refer to in my first quoted post in this exchange.

The real lesson out of all this is that endemic racism and lack of accountability for racist police brutality persists not just in the US, but that endemic racism persists in all white majority societies, including Ireland.

Liveline ran for over a week with heartbreaking stories from Irish people of colour, we operate the dehumanising Direct provision system, and we have a very long running problem with anti-Traveller discrimination and bigotry in this country. Peter Casey saw his vote multiply twentyfold when he decided to go full racist.

Symbols are a great way of perpetuating that endemic racism, and yet here we have a load of white people who fail to see  problem with the glorification of a confederate, pro-slavery propagandist.

And every single word here in favour of the retention of John Mitchel's name adorning GAA clubs has been dripping in the exact sort of fake white victimhood I talk about.

When endemic racism is highlighted, white supremacists always attempt to change the narrative.

Attempted white supremacist narrative change number one was "this issue is not the endmic racism and the lack of accountabilty for racist police brutality, the issue is the looting".

Attempted white supremacist narrative change number two is "They've gone too far! Where does it stop?!!!"

White supremacism isn't just people going round in KKK hoods or holding burning torches or shouting about blood and soil or driving cars into innocent anti-fascist protestors, you know.

White supremacism is the search for narratives to deflect, to deny, to turn reality on its head, to turn victimhood on its head, when white people are taken out of their comfort zone.

We have a very long running problem with Travellers!

We have w very long running problem with plenty of different types of people on this island. Why single out travellers?

Don't be naive. There's a reason why there is so much anti-traveller feeling in this country (and in Britain). No other group has such a high percentage of scumbags amongst them.  There is a huge problem with them. Intimidating, thieving, interrogating, torturing and threatening people and neighbourhoods. Fines and sentencing clearly doesn't work as their criminal record won't affect them getting mortgages, jobs etc, the way it affects everyone else. Police mostly don't want to know when it comes to dealing with them. Everyone of them are the same, raised and taught to be like this from a young age.

Absolute scum the lot of them.

Absolute scum the lot of them? You sure about that? Really? Says a lot about you if you stand by that comment. I happen to know for a fact that's not true. I went to school with travellers who were far from scum. Served travellers in a pub who were far from scum.
#1763
Quote from: BennyCake on June 15, 2020, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on June 15, 2020, 04:37:42 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 15, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
It's really weird that the "lesson" a load of white people here have taken out of all this racist police brutality stuff in the US is that white people are the real victims because a racist scene got deleted from Fawlty Towers and people are talking about consigning slavery propagandist John Mitchel to the dustbin of history that he deserves to lie in.

Can you direct me to the posts here about this lesson that the load of white people have learned Sid?
Every post on this thread that engages in whataboutery (ie. a play for fake victimhood in the absence of being able to defend why Mitchel continues to adorn the names of GAA clubs) or says something like "where does it stop" (an explicit plea of fake victimhood - I always read such phrases in a stereotypical Brexiteer voice) is exactly the sort of thing I refer to in my first quoted post in this exchange.

The real lesson out of all this is that endemic racism and lack of accountability for racist police brutality persists not just in the US, but that endemic racism persists in all white majority societies, including Ireland.

Liveline ran for over a week with heartbreaking stories from Irish people of colour, we operate the dehumanising Direct provision system, and we have a very long running problem with anti-Traveller discrimination and bigotry in this country. Peter Casey saw his vote multiply twentyfold when he decided to go full racist.

Symbols are a great way of perpetuating that endemic racism, and yet here we have a load of white people who fail to see  problem with the glorification of a confederate, pro-slavery propagandist.

And every single word here in favour of the retention of John Mitchel's name adorning GAA clubs has been dripping in the exact sort of fake white victimhood I talk about.

When endemic racism is highlighted, white supremacists always attempt to change the narrative.

Attempted white supremacist narrative change number one was "this issue is not the endmic racism and the lack of accountabilty for racist police brutality, the issue is the looting".

Attempted white supremacist narrative change number two is "They've gone too far! Where does it stop?!!!"

White supremacism isn't just people going round in KKK hoods or holding burning torches or shouting about blood and soil or driving cars into innocent anti-fascist protestors, you know.

White supremacism is the search for narratives to deflect, to deny, to turn reality on its head, to turn victimhood on its head, when white people are taken out of their comfort zone.

We have a very long running problem with Travellers!

We have w very long running problem with plenty of different types of people on this island. Why single out travellers?
#1764
Quote from: whitey on June 15, 2020, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 15, 2020, 01:05:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 15, 2020, 02:00:23 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 15, 2020, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: naka on June 14, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 13, 2020, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: naka on June 13, 2020, 07:54:57 PM
For me John Mitchell should be looked on Simply upon his views on our problems.
Newry is proud that he stood for the Irish cause.
I agree with that .
So we just ignore the rest of what he did?

Sure then Jimmy Saville deserves a statue for his healthcare fundraising.
Poor taste .

It's not. Its the conclusion of that narrow logic.

Mitchel was an extreme racist, but ignore that, he was sound on the national question.

Then we can easily ignore Churchills racism and the Tans or Stalins genocide, sure they beat the Nazis. So what if Michael Jackson raped kids, he invented a dance. Saville built a whole focking hospital.

Tipperary are going to have to find a new cup for their Senior Hurling Champions....Dan Breen Cup is  no longer acceptable and should be melted down

Dan Breen was a big supporter of the Nazis

And these are the conversations we need to have.

Was he a big Nazi? Was he employed by the Nazis? Did he rag on Jews?

I think there is an objective difference between an unsavoury opinion and actual acts to further said agenda

I wish I could say it was just some throw away comment he made.....it's more serious than that

It would actually be a disqualifier for some I'm sad to say

Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with it

What exactly did Breen do to support the Nazis. Genuine question.
#1765
Quote from: BennyCake on June 14, 2020, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2020, 10:13:37 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 14, 2020, 10:04:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2020, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 13, 2020, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: naka on June 13, 2020, 07:54:57 PM
For me John Mitchell should be looked on Simply upon his views on our problems.
Newry is proud that he stood for the Irish cause.
I agree with that .
So we just ignore the rest of what he did?

Sure then Jimmy Saville deserves a statue for his healthcare fundraising.

Hmm, paedo and person who advocated slavery are now in the same boat
The principle is the same. Can we just ignoee the bad when it suits us?

Can we just stick to point of the thread rather than links to perverts? Use examples of racism for this would be best.

Slavery was never right, and I don't know if he had slaves himself or just wrote about it, he could have changed his mind when he came home from America and fought to break the chains of English rule here. Either way linking him to Saville is not the same principle ffs

It wasn't, but in years to come, people will probably be appalled by their parents/grandparents generation that many people were against same sex marriage, and voted against it in the referendum.

And like I said earlier, if a club is set up now and named after Joe Bloggs, who it turned out, voted against SSM back in 2016 or whenever... will they demand Joe Bloggs' name removed from their club in 2050 as he will likely be looked on as homophobic?

Voting no in that referendum will never be in the same league as supporting/being involved in slavery
#1767
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 03:36:00 PM
That's your credible evidence?
As I said, there's pretty strong evidence.....it's up to you whether you believe it or not

Where is this strong evidence because it certainly isn't in the links you posted

There's enough evidence to begin an online campaign to remove his name from Casement Park

Not in those links

LOL-and therein lies the crux of the issue my friend

You don't need evidence, you just need a large and loud enough mob online to start threatening to boycott sponsors etc to get the result you require

(And BTW-I'm just employing the same logic put forth by Sid and J70 for them demanding GAA Clubs disassociate themselves from  John Mitchel)

Haven't read what they said on that subject but before labelling someone a paedophile I would want to see a lot more evidence than what is in those links
#1768
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 03:36:00 PM
That's your credible evidence?
As I said, there's pretty strong evidence.....it's up to you whether you believe it or not

Where is this strong evidence because it certainly isn't in the links you posted

There's enough evidence to begin an online campaign to remove his name from Casement Park

Not in those links
#1769
Quote from: whitey on June 13, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2020, 03:36:00 PM
That's your credible evidence?
As I said, there's pretty strong evidence.....it's up to you whether you believe it or not

Where is this strong evidence because it certainly isn't in the links you posted
#1770
That's your credible evidence?