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The " look at us, arnt we great brigade" will find it difficult against Armagh.

No 4 x 4 on the N7 for this. Fancy Kildare.

[when money is involved]

No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s

Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%

Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen when money is involved, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

Probably right with the soccer, bad example, The Dubs are Killkenny of the noughties.

thanks

No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s

Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%

Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

Well done Dublin, another historical milestone, a great performance in terrible conditions and did it with honour abnd pride in the competion. Meath good in parts except for their shooting and final third play. good tackling and hard hits was done well for the majority of the game. I never get tired of winning and beating our closest neighbour and rival. Hoping for 10 in a row next year.

Stephen Cluxton is third in the most Leinster wins with 15, just behind Meath.

Great attendance of just under 50K. Majority Dublin fans.  I would say 80/20. A shockingly bad day with heavey rain.

Biggest concern is the injury to James McCarthy, irreplaceable.

Where has Zulu gone! I miss him when it comes to defending Dublins Financial backing.

Sure there is nothing to defend.

As highlighted above, The one i would like to see in caps on expenditure of inter county teams or all teams recieve the same allocated amount from Croke Park per month, year, competition etc.

Hard graft. Did get.millions unlike some

Ah i see, a great achievement. 

Any ideas of the final figures here from this fundraiser, Mayo spend the most in the country on the senior fooball preparations, which is way more that dual counties spend on two teams?

Do you have to pay taxes on this money when being transferred back to Ireland?

Was there any follow up on this issue, any court case set?

Well how did Kerry do it?

GAA president John Horan from Dublin has said the chief reason for Dublin's dominance is the work of Dublin's voluntary coaches and not the funding Dublin has received over the past decade.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublins-success-not-down-to-money-gaa-president-john-horan-defends-jim-gavins-men-38211085.html

Yes volunteers in Kildare & Meath, your volunteering efforts are shit, you must work harder. It is funny how the GAA President from Dublin refuses to acknowledge any of the advantages Dublin have. It's f**king embarrassing at this stage.

Good man Dublin's John Horan. The best line was

''These things go in cycles and I'm quite sure with the obvious improvement that's coming in both Kildare and Meath that Leinster will come back in time to be competitive."


Dublin have had some cycle of dominance in Leinster? 15 years is an impressive cylcle.

15 years, a marvelous achievement, just shows what hard work by volunteers can achieve.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/300391

Thanks for that, he is 100% correct in what he says.

Thanks again

What happened yesterday was a disgrace. Yer man fell across
The goal line with the ball and was called back for a penalty.. I've seen them given...
Menton v Fenton should be a good tussle...

Menton was very impressive yesterday.

[You cant blame Dublin for the years of wastefullness by the Kildare GAA comunity, some massive clubs, lots of money, lots of wealthy individuals, all put to waste, In particular extortionite amounts of cash to previous managment regimes.]

Ewans back.

Can Kildare put up a performance against greatest naturally gifted team of any sport ever? or will they fold early.
Will Kildare go ultra defensive?
Will their be a tale back of 4x4s on the N7 for this?
With Kildares resources and population, they should be able to compete?

Ha! Most posters know my opinion of Ewan, he's actually claiming he highlighted the financial doping/home advantage that Dublin have. Fair to say he pretty much robbed it all from here and added his own research.

Kildare is more electric motors that 4x4s these days.

We don't do ultra defensive.

What resources? All the grant monies go to Dublin. A large part of our population tends to made of up immigrants from Dublin who have no sense of community or inclusion.

here we go again what, its the same hymne sheet.

Dublin get good grant money yes and put it to good use for the betterment of the children, club members and non club members, sons and daughters of, as you put them, immigrants from the country" or as i would put them, my fellow country man, women.

Sure Kildare was always part of Dublin, like parts of Meath and Wicklow, some Wicklow teams play in the Dublin leagues.

You cant blame Dublin for the years of wastefullness by the Kildare GAA comunity, some massive clubs, lots of money, lots of wealthy individuals, all put to waste, In particular extortionite amounts of cash to previous managment regimes.

Any examples here? And I mean actual facts. The Dublin grant money is black and white, irrefutable.

It is irrefutable, and its brilliant for Dublin GAA and for children of non gaa backrounds to get the chance to express themselves at our national game, if anything more cash should be injected into it, needs expansion.

Ewans back.

Can Kildare put up a performance against greatest naturally gifted team of any sport ever? or will they fold early.
Will Kildare go ultra defensive?
Will their be a tale back of 4x4s on the N7 for this?
With Kildares resources and population, they should be able to compete?

Ha! Most posters know my opinion of Ewan, he's actually claiming he highlighted the financial doping/home advantage that Dublin have. Fair to say he pretty much robbed it all from here and added his own research.

Kildare is more electric motors that 4x4s these days.

We don't do ultra defensive.

What resources? All the grant monies go to Dublin. A large part of our population tends to made of up immigrants from Dublin who have no sense of community or inclusion.

here we go again what, its the same hymne sheet.

Dublin get good grant money yes and put it to good use for the betterment of the children, club members and non club members, sons and daughters of, as you put them, immigrants from the country" or as i would put them, my fellow country man, women.

Sure Kildare was always part of Dublin, like parts of Meath and Wicklow, some Wicklow teams play in the Dublin leagues.

You cant blame Dublin for the years of wastefullness by the Kildare GAA comunity, some massive clubs, lots of money, lots of wealthy individuals, all put to waste, In particular extortionite amounts of cash to previous managment regimes.