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[whitey]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

[screenexile]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

If he was actually framed by the FBI then well . . . that would be crazy shit!! We'll have to see what the new info is!

[J70]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

If he was actually framed by the FBI then well . . . that would be crazy shit!! We'll have to see what the new info is!

Will the right be joining Black Lives Matter in finally acknowledging that corruption and bias in law enforcement can actually be a thing??

I guess we'll have to wait and see if there is anything substantial to this. I glanced through a piece by Andew McCarthy in National Review and the jist appears to be that Flynn lied, but that he shouldn't have been questioned in the first place, and that they used a crime by his son as leverage, but it was a crime that is very rarely enforced.

It was a quick glance, so I may have missed something and stand open to correction.

[J70]

Dems have really painted themselves into a corner with this allegation of sexual assault against Joe Biden.  I thought the Kavanaugh allegation was a fabrication and I think this allegation is a fabrication, but this one is actually somewhat credible

I think they may both be true, but I obviously have no way of knowing either way. Why do you think it's a fabrication?

Luckily for Biden, he's coming up against a man with two dozen allegations against him, albeit a person who appears incapable of embarrassment and shame.

He still needs to address it though. By his own words she deserves to be heard.

Like with Kavanaugh,, but even more so.....Joe Biden has been vetted inside out and up and down several times. Even rumours of things like this are fully investigated during a vetting process.

If there was anything there, it would have come out long ago

But were campaigns taking sexual harrassment and assault allegations as seriously back then before MeToo?

[whitey]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

If he was actually framed by the FBI then well . . . that would be crazy shit!! We'll have to see what the new info is!

Will the right be joining Black Lives Matter in finally acknowledging that corruption and bias in law enforcement can actually be a thing??

I guess we'll have to wait and see if there is anything substantial to this. I glanced through a piece by Andew McCarthy in National Review and the jist appears to be that Flynn lied, but that he shouldn't have been questioned in the first place, and that they used a crime by his son as leverage, but it was a crime that is very rarely enforced.

It was a quick glance, so I may have missed something and stand open to correction.

J70-if it's true, then this was all part of a concerted effort to undermine the Trump Presidency from day 1, and add fuel to the whole Russia narrative. Once again (like during the FISA application process) it's alleged that the FBI knowingly withheld evidence that would either have completely exonerated Flynn or at the very least put his prosecution on very, very thin ice. And now there may actually be evidence that the FBI conspired with Flynn's defense team AGAINST him

[J70]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

If he was actually framed by the FBI then well . . . that would be crazy shit!! We'll have to see what the new info is!

Will the right be joining Black Lives Matter in finally acknowledging that corruption and bias in law enforcement can actually be a thing??

I guess we'll have to wait and see if there is anything substantial to this. I glanced through a piece by Andew McCarthy in National Review and the jist appears to be that Flynn lied, but that he shouldn't have been questioned in the first place, and that they used a crime by his son as leverage, but it was a crime that is very rarely enforced.

It was a quick glance, so I may have missed something and stand open to correction.

J70-if it's true, then this was all part of a concerted effort to undermine the Trump Presidency from day 1, and add fuel to the whole Russia narrative. Once again (like during the FISA application process) it's alleged that the FBI knowingly withheld evidence that would either have completely exonerated Flynn or at the very least put his prosecution on very, very thin ice. And now there may actually be evidence that the FBI conspired with Flynn's defense team AGAINST him

Like I said, we'll see what happens.

For something with zero substance to it (even though the Senate found, again, just last week, that the Russians were actively trying to help Trump), a lot of covering up and obstructing and lying was apparently done in the aftermath.

[five points]

But were campaigns taking sexual harrassment and assault allegations as seriously back then before MeToo?

I can't imagine how not.  Ever since the farce of Gary Hart in 1987 (and Hart merely cheated on his wife) any hint of sexual misconduct has been a total no-no for any candidate ever since.

[J70]

But were campaigns taking sexual harrassment and assault allegations as seriously back then before MeToo?

I can't imagine how not.  Ever since the farce of Gary Hart in 1987 (and Hart merely cheated on his wife) any hint of sexual misconduct has been a total no-no for any candidate ever since.

Any candidate?

We've come a long way since Gary Hart, on a number of fronts.

On the one hand, we've a president with dozens of allegations against him, who boasted of groping women's genitals and who paid off a porn star for her silence on an affair he had with her while his wife was breastfeeding his infant son.

On the other, a major, all-powerful Hollywood producer and a legendary comedian are now in prison for more or less the rest of their lives for sexual assault.

Regardless, as whitey says, this is a difficult one for the Democrats, especially the women in the running for the VP slot.

[whitey]

But were campaigns taking sexual harrassment and assault allegations as seriously back then before MeToo?

I can't imagine how not.  Ever since the farce of Gary Hart in 1987 (and Hart merely cheated on his wife) any hint of sexual misconduct has been a total no-no for any candidate ever since.

Any candidate?

We've come a long way since Gary Hart, on a number of fronts.

On the one hand, we've a president with dozens of allegations against him, who boasted of groping women's genitals and who paid off a porn star for her silence on an affair he had with her while his wife was breastfeeding his infant son.

On the other, a major, all-powerful Hollywood producer and a legendary comedian are now in prison for more or less the rest of their lives for sexual assault.

Regardless, as whitey says, this is a difficult one for the Democrats, especially the women in the running for the VP slot.

But I think due to some of the Senate Committees Biden was in he would have been subject to a higher level of scrutiny due to the fear of him being blackmailed

[seafoid]

But were campaigns taking sexual harrassment and assault allegations as seriously back then before MeToo?

I can't imagine how not.  Ever since the farce of Gary Hart in 1987 (and Hart merely cheated on his wife) any hint of sexual misconduct has been a total no-no for any candidate ever since.

Any candidate?

We've come a long way since Gary Hart, on a number of fronts.

On the one hand, we've a president with dozens of allegations against him, who boasted of groping women's genitals and who paid off a porn star for her silence on an affair he had with her while his wife was breastfeeding his infant son.

On the other, a major, all-powerful Hollywood producer and a legendary comedian are now in prison for more or less the rest of their lives for sexual assault.

Regardless, as whitey says, this is a difficult one for the Democrats, especially the women in the running for the VP slot.

But I think due to some of the Senate Committees Biden was in he would have been subject to a higher level of scrutiny due to the fear of him being blackmailed

"My heart says Bush but my Bush says Hart"

[whitey]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

If he was actually framed by the FBI then well . . . that would be crazy shit!! We'll have to see what the new info is!

Will the right be joining Black Lives Matter in finally acknowledging that corruption and bias in law enforcement can actually be a thing??

I guess we'll have to wait and see if there is anything substantial to this. I glanced through a piece by Andew McCarthy in National Review and the jist appears to be that Flynn lied, but that he shouldn't have been questioned in the first place, and that they used a crime by his son as leverage, but it was a crime that is very rarely enforced.

It was a quick glance, so I may have missed something and stand open to correction.

J70-if it's true, then this was all part of a concerted effort to undermine the Trump Presidency from day 1, and add fuel to the whole Russia narrative. Once again (like during the FISA application process) it's alleged that the FBI knowingly withheld evidence that would either have completely exonerated Flynn or at the very least put his prosecution on very, very thin ice. And now there may actually be evidence that the FBI conspired with Flynn's defense team AGAINST him

Like I said, we'll see what happens.

For something with zero substance to it (even though the Senate found, again, just last week, that the Russians were actively trying to help Trump), a lot of covering up and obstructing and lying was apparently done in the aftermath.

If they had an open and shut case, why would they jeopardize the conviction by doing what they (allegedly) did?

[five points]

In theory it is. In practice it's riddled with undemocratic weaknesses that are very difficult to fix. Examples:

• The electoral collage that allows a man to become president with with 3.5 million fewer votes than his opponent
• The disproportionate representation in the Senate that gives a resident of Wyoming 67 times the influence of a resident of California
• The primitive winner-take-all voting system that is incapable of reflecting the actual wishes of the electorate
• Blatant partisan gerrymandering that looks like something out of a Central African dictatorship
• Voter suppression enabled by stacked conservative courts
• Constitutional amendments have become well nigh impossible to deliver

I could go on. The idea that the US system is some sort of example to the world of fairness is just fantasy.

None of those issues have anything to do with constitutional checks and balances and the separation of powers as safeguards against tyranny, except perhaps the arguable point that the electoral college is another of those constitutional safeguards.  And nobody else mentioned any example of fairness.

[J70]

Some serious chatter on the right wing news/blogs about Flynn.

Whether it's true or not it looks like there may be significant developments later this week

And I also see that Flynn just reactivated his twitter account after an absence is 3/4 years

If 1/3 of what's being said is true, it should chill every American to the bone

If he was actually framed by the FBI then well . . . that would be crazy shit!! We'll have to see what the new info is!

Will the right be joining Black Lives Matter in finally acknowledging that corruption and bias in law enforcement can actually be a thing??

I guess we'll have to wait and see if there is anything substantial to this. I glanced through a piece by Andew McCarthy in National Review and the jist appears to be that Flynn lied, but that he shouldn't have been questioned in the first place, and that they used a crime by his son as leverage, but it was a crime that is very rarely enforced.

It was a quick glance, so I may have missed something and stand open to correction.

J70-if it's true, then this was all part of a concerted effort to undermine the Trump Presidency from day 1, and add fuel to the whole Russia narrative. Once again (like during the FISA application process) it's alleged that the FBI knowingly withheld evidence that would either have completely exonerated Flynn or at the very least put his prosecution on very, very thin ice. And now there may actually be evidence that the FBI conspired with Flynn's defense team AGAINST him

Like I said, we'll see what happens.

For something with zero substance to it (even though the Senate found, again, just last week, that the Russians were actively trying to help Trump), a lot of covering up and obstructing and lying was apparently done in the aftermath.

If they had an open and shut case, why would they jeopardize the conviction by doing what they (allegedly) did?

And if there was nothing to hide, why the lying and obstruction?

No clue, either way.

[Gmac]

Remember the couple in Arizona who drank the fish tank cleaner because it had chloroquine in it and took it because trump said take it ? Wife is under investigation for murder, wonder are cnn running with the new development.

[J70]

Remember the couple in Arizona who drank the fish tank cleaner because it had chloroquine in it and took it because trump said take it ? Wife is under investigation for murder, wonder are cnn running with the new development.

Your implication is that it WAS responsible and sensible of Trump and Fox News to be endlessly hyping chloroquine as a wonder drug for COVID treatment?