The SDLP

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Insane Bolt

Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.

Saffrongael

Dunno if the parties have a hatred of Sinn Fein it's just very easy to point out their hypocrisy on a range of issues
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

Farrandeelin

Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

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LCohen

Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding', This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don't think that. They just think it's the right thing to do. Imagine that?

armaghniac

Quote from: LCohen on February 23, 2019, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding', This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don't think that. They just think it's the right thing to do. Imagine that?

At this stage, SF are one of the greatest obstacles to United Ireland, both in their coat trailing demeanour and their inability to put forward a credible economic policy that does not involve taxing the shite out of people. The challenge for SF is not whether they can please their own cultists but whether they can in fact actually advance a United Ireland.   
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

trailer

Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

LCohen

Quote from: armaghniac on February 24, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
Quote from: LCohen on February 23, 2019, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding', This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don't think that. They just think it's the right thing to do. Imagine that?

At this stage, SF are one of the greatest obstacles to United Ireland, both in their coat trailing demeanour and their inability to put forward a credible economic policy that does not involve taxing the shite out of people. The challenge for SF is not whether they can please their own cultists but whether they can in fact actually advance a United Ireland.

SF could look to Brexit. Brexit shows that you can win a referendum on the basis of sloganeering. But major constitutional change against the backdrop of a divided electorate needs detailed planning. At this stage there is no indication that SF can or are even trying to achieve that. Right now a special place in hell awaits for them and their Faragesque posturing

LCohen

Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D'Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

Owen Brannigan

Quote from: LCohen on February 24, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D'Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

As institutionalised by the flawed St Andrews agreement to provide a fig leaf for SF and DUP to get together in government and have SF onboard with policing.


Applesisapples

Quote from: Insane Bolt on February 23, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
I vote SF, but do not agree with all that they do and would love the chance to vote for a proper nationalist party without the baggage associated with memorials etc... The SDLP though criticise SF for not rolling over on the assembly, I don't want nationalists to go into Stormont without proper recognition of our rights as Irish citizens and equality for all that it embraces, which is the problem I have with the SDLP.

Applesisapples

Quote from: LCohen on February 23, 2019, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding', This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don't think that. They just think it's the right thing to do. Imagine that?
All the Nationalist parties north and south are all over the show on this, it is up to them all to carve out a way forward not just the Shinners.

Seany

If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.

haranguerer

Quote from: LCohen on February 24, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF 'understanding',  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D'Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

Really???

Sportacus

Quote from: Seany on February 25, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.
If Sinn Fein deliver a United Ireland it will be a nasty, troubled affair because Unionists simply don't trust SF and never will, in fact they despise them.  SDLP could have a much better chance of getting there more peacefully and probably more quickly, if only they could see the opportunity and had the talent in their ranks to attract voters back.   

marty34

Quote from: Sportacus on February 25, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 25, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.
If Sinn Fein deliver a United Ireland it will be a nasty, troubled affair because Unionists simply don't trust SF and never will, in fact they despise them.  SDLP could have a much better chance of getting there more peacefully and probably more quickly, if only they could see the opportunity and had the talent in their ranks to attract voters back.   

History clearlyy shows that unionists 'simply don't trust' nationalists' of any sort...whatever shade of green they are.

Unionists are ok with nationalists if they just keep the head down and don't rock the boat.  That day is over.