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#91

GAA Discussion / Re: Negativity around current ...

Last post by SouthOfThe Bann - May 28, 2024, 02:24:27 PM

A lot of negativity around the current championship format among the media in recent weeks.

I'm wondering would a open draw championship with a back door work?

Round 1 - Open Draw

Round 2 - 8 losers play each other in round two (losers round) and 8 winners play each other in round 2 (winners round).

Round 3 - The 4 winners from the winners round progress to the quarter finals whilst the 4 losers from the winners round play the 4 winners from the losers round. (Slightly confusing but bare with me)

Round 4 - Quarter Finals

See below how it might play out

Round 1
Derry 1-16 v 0-08 Westmeath
Armagh 2-09 v 0-11 Clare
Dublin 3-17 v 1-12 Cavan
Kerry 0-19 v 0-11 Monaghan
Mayo 0-18 v 0-07 Roscommon
Galway 2-19 v 0-04 Meath
Tyrone 0-13 v 0-10 Louth
Donegal 0-17 v 0-09 Cork

** 8 Winners play off and 8 losers play off

Round 2 - Losers round
Cavan 1-16 v 0-08 Westmeath
Monaghan 2-09 v 0-11 Clare
Roscommon 3-17 v 1-12 Meath
Cork 0-19 v 0-11 Louth

** Cavan Monaghan Roscommon and Cork progress to play the losers of the winners round

Round 2 - Winners round
Kerry 1-16 v 0-08 Dublin
Galway 2-09 v 0-11 Mayo
Donegal 3-17 v 1-12 Tyrone
Derry 0-19 v 0-11 Armagh

** Kerry Galway Donegal and Derry progress onto quarter finals.
** Dublin Mayo Tyrone and Armagh play off with Cavan Monaghan Roscommon and Cork in round of 12.

Round 3
Dublin 1-16 v 0-08 Cavan
Cork 2-09 v 0-11 Tyrone
Armagh 3-17 v 1-12 Roscommon
Mayo 0-19 v 0-11 Monaghan

** Dublin Cork Armagh and Mayo progress to quarter finals

Round 4 Quarter Finals
Kerry 3-17 v 1-12 Armagh
Mayo 0-19 v 0-11 Derry
Dublin 0-14 v 0-11 Galway
Donegal 0-17 v 0-11 Cork

Round 5 Semi Finals
Mayo 3-17 v 1-12 Kerry
Donegal 0-17 v 0-11 Dublin

Round 6 Final
Donegal 0-18 v 0-17 Mayo (AET)

I think it this is a decent system where everyone has a second chance but no dead rubbers or meaningless games and every game means something.

Not bad at all,  reduction in games be an issue though for the GAA. Would have to increase prices further to compensate.

Would be 27 AI matches instead of 35 under the present system.
Why does round 1 have to be "open draw" ?
It wouldn't be as Provincial Champions would be seeded and couldn't draw a team they beat in a Provincial Final.
They'd probably put the 8 Finalists in 1 pot anyway.
However this is a subject for the long winter nights.

Yeah wouldn't have to be an open draw; could seed the provincial champions and next 4 places league teams.

#92

GAA Discussion / Re: Negativity around current ...

Last post by AustinPowers - May 28, 2024, 02:21:22 PM

Ah stop.
Next thing ye'll want Ulster winners to go straight to the Final

But I didn't  say Connacht winners had to play  an extra couple of games   




One extra maybe 

#93

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and...

Last post by Truthsayer - May 28, 2024, 02:20:48 PM

Would you take harte back! Not many managers out there willing to do the job anymore

Not a chance... was holding back a team that won an All Ireland. Mickey did great work with Tyrone way back but that ship has long sailed.

#94

GAA Discussion / Re: Negativity around current ...

Last post by Armagh18 - May 28, 2024, 02:17:19 PM

A lot of negativity around the current championship format among the media in recent weeks.

I'm wondering would a open draw championship with a back door work?

Round 1 - Open Draw

Round 2 - 8 losers play each other in round two (losers round) and 8 winners play each other in round 2 (winners round).

Round 3 - The 4 winners from the winners round progress to the quarter finals whilst the 4 losers from the winners round play the 4 winners from the losers round. (Slightly confusing but bare with me)

Round 4 - Quarter Finals

See below how it might play out

Round 1
Derry 1-16 v 0-08 Westmeath
Armagh 2-09 v 0-11 Clare
Dublin 3-17 v 1-12 Cavan
Kerry 0-19 v 0-11 Monaghan
Mayo 0-18 v 0-07 Roscommon
Galway 2-19 v 0-04 Meath
Tyrone 0-13 v 0-10 Louth
Donegal 0-17 v 0-09 Cork

** 8 Winners play off and 8 losers play off

Round 2 - Losers round
Cavan 1-16 v 0-08 Westmeath
Monaghan 2-09 v 0-11 Clare
Roscommon 3-17 v 1-12 Meath
Cork 0-19 v 0-11 Louth

** Cavan Monaghan Roscommon and Cork progress to play the losers of the winners round

Round 2 - Winners round
Kerry 1-16 v 0-08 Dublin
Galway 2-09 v 0-11 Mayo
Donegal 3-17 v 1-12 Tyrone
Derry 0-19 v 0-11 Armagh

** Kerry Galway Donegal and Derry progress onto quarter finals.
** Dublin Mayo Tyrone and Armagh play off with Cavan Monaghan Roscommon and Cork in round of 12.

Round 3
Dublin 1-16 v 0-08 Cavan
Cork 2-09 v 0-11 Tyrone
Armagh 3-17 v 1-12 Roscommon
Mayo 0-19 v 0-11 Monaghan

** Dublin Cork Armagh and Mayo progress to quarter finals

Round 4 Quarter Finals
Kerry 3-17 v 1-12 Armagh
Mayo 0-19 v 0-11 Derry
Dublin 0-14 v 0-11 Galway
Donegal 0-17 v 0-11 Cork

Round 5 Semi Finals
Mayo 3-17 v 1-12 Kerry
Donegal 0-17 v 0-11 Dublin

Round 6 Final
Donegal 0-18 v 0-17 Mayo (AET)

I think it this is a decent system where everyone has a second chance but no dead rubbers or meaningless games and every game means something.

Not bad at all,  reduction in games be an issue though for the GAA. Would have to increase prices further to compensate.

If all those games were meaningful/competitive you'd end up with far better total attendances imo.

#95

GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly

Last post by Armagh18 - May 28, 2024, 02:16:18 PM

See he's started on Roy Keane now. Always has to be controversial does Joe.

Well, there's no point in  Brolly attacking  Mickey Joe down  the road who coaches the u-12's. That won't  cause any controversy and get people  talking about  him.

Brolly knows  what he's doing.  He's like  a  spoilt child constantly seeking attention.  He's actually  become  a bit pathetic to be honest.

He's getting worse. You'd question why. It's not like he needs the publicity or anything to make a living, he's just losing peoples respect at this stage.

#96

GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly

Last post by AustinPowers - May 28, 2024, 02:14:24 PM

See he's started on Roy Keane now. Always has to be controversial does Joe.

Well, there's no point in  Brolly attacking  Mickey Joe down  the road who coaches the u-12's. That won't  cause any controversy and get people  talking about  him.

Brolly knows  what he's doing.  He's like  a  spoilt child constantly seeking attention.  He's actually  become  a bit pathetic to be honest.

#97

GAA Discussion / Re: Negativity around current ...

Last post by Rossfan - May 28, 2024, 02:13:34 PM

Ah stop.
Next thing ye'll want Ulster winners to go straight to the Final

#98

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and...

Last post by NotedObserver - May 28, 2024, 02:11:34 PM

Does anyone know Dooher/Logan's championship record our wins, draws and losses?
Bound to be close to more losses than wins?

Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 7

Since All-Ireland win
Won 4
Drawn 1
Lost 7

That's not great reading.

Only wins in ulster are Fermanagh and Cavan

Both of them not exactly convincing.

#99

General discussion / Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb...

Last post by Lubo Moravcik - May 28, 2024, 02:06:00 PM

No acknowledgement that bringing an army up to a border (after years of US backed revolution and conflict in that said country) is an act of aggression. 

One side good ..... the other side bad

Ok then, let's deal with the NATO nonsense once and for all.

First of all Ukraine isn't in NATO and wasn't about to join anytime soon. It had neutral status which it's parliament only voted to end in December 2014 AFTER Russia invaded. A pretty good reason if you ask me. Ukraine's road to NATO was not guaranteed in any case with all member stated having to agree (Hungary anyone?).

Is NATO a threat to Russia? Russia loves reminding everyone it has nuclear weapons and it's not afraid to use them. Yet somehow we are all expected to believe that NATO was planning to attack Russia. Russia has had NATO on it's borders since 1999 (Poland) and again in 2004 (Baltics). When is this aggressive attack coming Skull? Finland joined NATO and Russia couldn't really care less. In fact they removed some of their military equipment from the Finnish border to Ukraine such is the grave danger of Finland's NATO membership. 

Free thinking 'researchers' love to cite that the US has broken a 'promise' to Russia regarding NATO not expanding. Two points about this which you can tell the 'researchers' again and again and again but they always forget and repeat it anyway.

First a conservation over dinner is not an international agreement (unlike the actual agreements Ukraine had with Russia to respect it's borders).

Second - the discussion was specifically about the reunification of Germany and NATO expansion into former DDR territory after reunification. James Baker told Gorbachev not one inch (which they have stuck to). The other countries weren't even considered as the Warsaw pact was still in place and the USSR hand't yet collapse. Why would it even be discussed or considered. Gorbachev even confirms all this in an interview later. 'Researchers' can easily find this interview online but they don't seem to be able to for some reason.

As it happens - the USSR collapsed and the former Warsaw Pact countries one after another all applied to join NATO. Democratic governments. Mearsheimer with his morally bankrupt theories of Russian power would deny the NATO security blanket to millions of people. The Baltics would already have had the Ukraine and Georgia treatment if not for NATO.

Which brings us to the question of why does Russia REALLY not want Ukraine to join NATO. It's simple really - once inside they're untouchable. Not because of a fictional NATO attack, not because of Nazis (we can go there if you want) and certainly not because of any fictional ethnic cleansing of Russians in the Donbas region (and now fictional ethnic cleansing in Transcarpathia according to 'researcher' Horsebox).

So yes Skull, One side good, one side bad. That's the status you reserve only for 'Palestine - Israel' but in your denial of the Ukrainian right to be free from Russian aggression once and for all you only expose yourself as a hypocrite.

Edit: I forgot to add, such was NATOs desire for aggression and confrontation with Russia that one of the leaders of NATO (Germany) was pursuing a policy of economic cooperation and mutual benefit with Russia, even going so far as to build another direct gas pipeline with them.

#100

General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

Last post by theskull1 - May 28, 2024, 02:05:57 PM

Maybe you need to question your world view for a minute.

Every westernized country in the world moved in lock step with very similar policies and the shutting down of dissenting voices. It's not unreasonable to look for common denominators and I see this as a valid one to question. Is here something inaccurate about the information in the tweet?

Same is happening with the US and Euro leadership siding with Israel's blatant genocide in Gaza. Should I be embarrassed to point out the amount of effort AIPAC lobby go to to get their candidate elected to the corridors of power?