What is a Third Man Tackle

[SidelineKick]

  admirable cover up!

[heganboy]

don't know what a key stage is but sure as long as you're happy:

from the GAA official website:

The essential role of the Referee is to:

"Apply the Rules in order to create conditions for our Games to be played well. The Rules spell out the conditions for our Games to be played well; the Proper Application of the Rules creates these conditions."

The Referee has the responsibility to create the conditions for Players to play with skill, courage, commitment, genius, flair, strength and legitimate aggression. This is achieved through the proper application of the Rules to Protect, Preserve and Promote our Games.

Proper application of the rules allows players to play with Skill, Courage, Commitment, Genius, Flair, Strength and legitimate Aggression. Proper application of the rules enables the referee to fulfill his responsibility to Protect, Preserve and Promote our games.

the rule book instructs the referees- Unless you are aware of another source of rules?

[Spirit of 94]

don't know what a key stage is but sure as long as you're happy:

from the GAA official website:

The essential role of the Referee is to:

"Apply the Rules in order to create conditions for our Games to be played well. The Rules spell out the conditions for our Games to be played well; the Proper Application of the Rules creates these conditions."

The Referee has the responsibility to create the conditions for Players to play with skill, courage, commitment, genius, flair, strength and legitimate aggression. This is achieved through the proper application of the Rules to Protect, Preserve and Promote our Games.

Proper application of the rules allows players to play with Skill, Courage, Commitment, Genius, Flair, Strength and legitimate Aggression. Proper application of the rules enables the referee to fulfill his responsibility to Protect, Preserve and Promote our games.

the rule book instructs the referees- Unless you are aware of another source of rules?

For the last time, did you miss the word interpretation??

The Games Development Committee runs a programme of Coach, Administrator and Referee Education (CARE).
Referee Education.

The Referee Education programme is organised across Club, County and National levels of the Association (for both Hurling and Gaelic Football). The aim of the programme is to develop Referees who can facilitate the proper conduct of Gaelic games at all stages of the Pathway to Elite Performance (PEP).

The Referee Education programme consists of the following inputs: 

1.         Foundation Course
As the basic course required to Referee at official level within the Association, completion of the Foundation Course certifies participants as Club Referees. Including inputs on the practical elements of Refereeing, the spirit of the Gaelic games and a detailed study of the Rules of each Code, the Foundation Course provides a fundamental introduction to the application of the Rules of Gaelic games. Participants are expected to be 17 years of age or older. A Conversion Course provides an opportunity for those active Referees who have not previously undertaken a Foundation Course to enter the System.

A modified version of the Foundation Course is geared towards Post-Primary school students, while a number of introductory initiatives are available at Primary School and Underage Club level e.g. Young Referees/Young Whistlers Programme.

2.         Serving Referees Course
The Serving Referees Course is an annual refresher course for active Club Referees. The Course provides an in-depth study if Refereeing and also includes elements on the roles of the Umpires and Linesmen, and adaptations or clarifications of the Playing Rules that occur from year to year.

3.         Provincial Referees Course
A series of three seminars for Referees identified as having the potential to officiate at Inter-County Level, the Provincial Referees Course provides an opportunity for participants to study a wider variety of elements required for Refereeing at an advanced level, including Role, Player Management, Physical Fitness for Refereeing and Team Work.

4.         National Referees Seminars
This involves a series of seminars held over the course of the playing season that cater for Referees who officiate at Senior grades at National Level. Including specialised inputs relating to various aspects of Referee performance, the seminars focus on issues of interpretation and clarification in an open and interactive environment.

[crossfire]

Are "third m an Tackle" and "off the ball tackle" actually named in the rule book? And if so what, what are their definitions?

On another issue, see that Joe Kernan is calling for honesty in the papers at the moment. What hypocrisy!!!

How exactly?

His Armagh and Crossmaglen teams were dirty teams and bent the rules to the limit on every occasion.

Have you still not got over them Ulster club final defeats.?

[lynchbhoy]

5.25
(a) To charge an opponent in the back or to the front.
(b) To charge an opponent unless:-
    (i) he is in possession of the ball, or
    (ii) he is playing the ball, or
    (iii) both players are moving in the direction of the ball to play it.
(c) To charge an opponent for the purpose of giving an advantage to a team-mate.

So there are no actual '3rd man tackle' rules - only the above.
I wonder how the 3rd man tackle being a fould came into play then.
Still this would explain why there is a bit of ambiguity there.
From when I first played underage this ruling was often enforced by a ref.

Charging might be the wording above, but I suppose shielding, blocking off or holding back/pulling a man trying to run past you or trying to get to tackle a man with the ball the other side of you when you hold/shield/block off them causes the 'foul'.

Have performed the act myself on occasion and reckon I got away with it most times I would have done it.
Prob something the GAA rule administrators could look at defining more properly if its to be standardised and properly taught to refs.

Be better off concentrating on the likes of this rather than that yellow card substitute merry-go-round fiasco !

[The GAA]

There is obviously no third man tackle rule in the game spirit. news to me but obviously its a myth we've allowed to formulate in our minds. claiming refereees can "interpret" something which is not a foul under the official guide as a foul is a ridiculous concept.

[The GAA]

It occurs to me that "shepharding" as happens so effectively in aussie rules and something which we complain bitterly about in international rules, is very close to, if not actually, legal in gaelic football?

[Hardy]

Third man tackle wouldn't be the only mythical rule. The "rolling  ball" one really gets me. Where did people ever get that stupid idea from?

[County Player]

What about "TWO TURNS REF!!!"

[brokencrossbar1]

What would be seen as a "third man tackle" would be a situation where for example, I have passed the ball to a team mate.  I see an opposition player going in to tackle him.  To prevent him carrying out the tackle I shoulder him and let my team-mate away.  That was always seen as  "third man tackle" and is clearly covered under Rule 5.25 (c).  Anything else comes down to interpretation by the referee of what happens on the field, not the rule itself.  The rule is clear-cut to me, to commit a foul under this rule there has to be a "charge", a physical and aggressive movement towards an opposing player.  To stand in front of someone and block their run does not constitute a charge, to "shield" the ball or one of your team mates does not constitute a charge, to hand off a player as he runs past you, IMHO, would not be a charge.  The last one may be a foul under another rule, but certainly not under this rule.  

Feck, The Frank Murphyism is starting to seep into me through osmosis!!!  

[Fuzzman]

I was asking an Armagh lad yesterday does he think this new yellow card rules will have much effect on Armagh's style of play.
Surely with the amount of times they follow through with tackles they could pick up loads of yellows.

Like most Armagh lads I know he reckoned not really as he believe Armagh are not a dirty team and are not as cynical as many other teams.

I just wondered does the average NEUTRAL (i.e. Not us biased Tyrone or Kerry fans) think that Armagh over the past 5/6 years have been over physical in their style of play and often use a rough it up strategy to eventually wear down their opponents.

I know, I know its a can of worms but it just amazes me how many Armagh fans have grown to believe their own stories and have grown blind to what constitutes a foul now and what doesn't. e.g. dragging of jersey by McKeever on Stevie O'Neill in 2005.

I see Peter McDonnell has said he wants to focus more on the attacking side of the game this year and so is planning to change their style.

[Zapatista]

I see Peter McDonnell has said he wants to focus more on the attacking side of the game this year and so is planning to change their style.

Do you mean attack the player rather than stop the player?

[lynchbhoy]

What would be seen as a "third man tackle" would be a situation where for example, I have passed the ball to a team mate.  I see an opposition player going in to tackle him.  To prevent him carrying out the tackle I shoulder him and let my team-mate away.  That was always seen as  "third man tackle" and is clearly covered under Rule 5.25 (c).  Anything else comes down to interpretation by the referee of what happens on the field, not the rule itself.  The rule is clear-cut to me, to commit a foul under this rule there has to be a "charge", a physical and aggressive movement towards an opposing player.  To stand in front of someone and block their run does not constitute a charge, to "shield" the ball or one of your team mates does not constitute a charge, to hand off a player as he runs past you, IMHO, would not be a charge.  The last one may be a foul under another rule, but certainly not under this rule.  

Feck, The Frank Murphyism is starting to seep into me through osmosis!!!  

would a step into his path not be considered as a form of 'charge'
whereby the'charge' is not the act of actually hitting/colliding with the person, but 'charge' could be interpreted as knowingly obstructing the guy?
....and charge being the ac of movement....

I'd say some brolly/logan type could make a case for that !

[Spirit of 94]

There is obviously no third man tackle rule in the game spirit. news to me but obviously its a myth we've allowed to formulate in our minds. claiming refereees can "interpret" something which is not a foul under the official guide as a foul is a ridiculous concept.

Look, I think everyone on here is agreed that they have seen this type of misdemeanour penalised.  So if there is no rule, then why has it been penailised?  Simple answer, it's down to the referee's interpretation of existing rules.

[The GAA]

which rules in particular?

could it not just be that they don't know the rules?