Its seems it's that time of year again when every available lamppost must adorn some sort of "triumphalist" flag. There are certainly a wide range of flags to celebrate this festival of "orangeness " i.e.union jacks, 6county flags, england, scotland, orange, norn iron, rangers, odd loyalist paramilitary flag, (what did Wales do to be left out??) I can see this how this can be very intimating to some people having to drive through these gauntlet of flags. Honestly there would not have been as many in London for that Royal wedding.
But the most unusual I noticed as driving through a rural backwater in the tyrone/fermanagh region last night was the the flag of israel being hoisted proudly aloft on street lighting pole. I began to wonder to myself what the hell has this got to do with the so called culture? Are these people supporting the siege of Gaza and the suffering of the Palestinians??
Can anyone tell me do these towns, villages (parts of towns) just get hijacked by a few loyalists who believe they are defending the union by erecting these barrage of flags or are they welcomed mostly by the wider unionist community???????? (It's bound to have a knock on tourism as well as being an eyesore)
I'll save us some time here. Let's call it Quinn Martin's Law:
Kingsmill, Evil Genius, La Mon, Bloody Sunday, Darron Gibson, Anglo Irish, murdering bastids, Rory McIlroy, Nally Stand, freedom fighters, Mary McArdle, Blueshirts, Graeme McDowell's accent, British, Irish, Bloody Friday, collusion, Van Morrison, MayoGodHelpUs, You Nordies Aren't Irish, Yes We Are You Free Staters, Hardy's Humour, Oppression, Terry Wogan is a Brit, Passports, the IFA, Martin McGuinness, Martin Sludden, 1,000,000 Unionists, Bastid Bono, Christy Cooney...Hitler.
Home truths for lovers of our wee country. Actually, I thought someone had hacked into Kevin Myers account and wrote the piece below.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/loyalist-bigotry-did-not-arise-just-when-the-ira-came-along-16017902.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/loyalist-bigotry-did-not-arise-just-when-the-ira-came-along-16017902.html)
QuoteIt was good of the UVF thugs of east Belfast to give me a cue with which to follow my column about nationalism last week (which, as it happens I had started before the unprovoked attack on the Short Strand).
For we should be clear about this: the culture of the Billy Boy tribal bigot predates the emergence of nationalism as a powerful force among the Catholic working classes of Belfast and Glasgow.
Paradoxically, the rabble-rousing leaders of these drunken louts have usually been teetotal clergymen, such as Roaring Hanna and Ian Paisley.
The compulsory Sunday closing of pubs was once a primary element of their identity — provided that their own drinking clubs were allowed to remain open.
Logic is never the strong point of any strongly-held tribal identity, but particularly so for these people, who have remained locked in a historical enigma wherein they are 'British', although living in Ireland, and generally lawless, though they 'loyally' support the Crown, and sober in their general political aspiration, though usually enough drunk at the time.
They have a church, too. In their illiterate and incoherent scheme of things, Calvary is probably a collective for horses and maybe Gethsemane is something mysterious that happens in a sperm-bank. No, their real religion is Rangers Football Club.
Glasgow Rangers is the sporting icon for loyalist bigots. The club's own words are irreproachably neutral.
It is law-abiding. It is patriotically British. Its outward message is of harmony and ecumenism. But to the large thug element amongst the Rangers fans, the key to their identity is almost like the Third Secret of Fatima. It is this: no Fenians here.
There is a congenial, indeed government-backed myth, in both Scotland and in Ireland, that 'one side is bad as another': that Sinn Fein/IRA are pretty much the same as the UDA/UVF.
This is simply untrue. There is no republican equivalent to the Romper Rooms of the UDA, wherein men were routinely beaten to a pulp by loyalist thugs and from which both the term and the practice became celebrated.
And then there was Lenny Murphy and his merry gang, the Shankill Butchers, who for years in the mid-1970s abducted, tortured and murdered Catholics — usually by cutting their victims' throats.
This culture did not emerge simply as a response to IRA violence.
It was there already. It was feckless, violent, drunken, lost, lumpen proletarians for whom a perverted tribal identity conjoined with a godlessly Calvinist sense of superiority, even as they stewed in their ghettoes of suffocating illiteracy and economic failure.
But they were, nonetheless, elevated by the insane delusion that they are the chosen people, who have been deprived of their birthright by some vast conspiracy between the Catholic Church and the British government.
This psychiatric condition affects almost an entire under-caste, thereby placing their minds and aspirations almost beyond ordinary analysis.
Last Sunday, it was 45 years since their hero, Gusty Spence, murdered the teenage barman Peter Ward and seriously wounded William Doyle in the Malvern Street shootings.
Thus the Troubles got under way. Nineteen years later, the Catholic barrister who had defended Spence at his trial — also called William Doyle — was shot dead by the IRA for the hideous crime of being a judge. And so it goes.
Now we know: these Troubles of ours haven't gone away, you know. And they're at it again in east Belfast, with a lost tribe of illiterate, paranoid barbarians wandering the bleak landscape of their own brutal imaginations, about no purpose that any one of them could possibly explain.
Except they probably know this is a period of rather enjoyable violence, before the much-loved Orange marches — plus riots, with luck — can begin.
And next comes Rangers' first match of the season, to be followed by a night of paralytic alcoholism and rounded off, no doubt, with a complete short-term memory lapse. (This is called 'culture', by the way.)
For once, let history be our guide. Our political classes must not be swayed by the violence of these cretins.
Northern Ireland is lightyears behind everywhere else in the universe. Where are the gay and lesbian rights flags? I think many problems here would be solved if some village like Dunloy or Moy starting flying this flag:
(http://www.theodora.com/flags/new15/rainbow_gay_lesbian_flag_san_francisco_june_200_afp.jpg)
Then, and only then, will Ireland take its place as one of the great nations in this earth.
They Might Be Giants sang Birdhouse In Your Soul. One of the lyrics was:
I have a secret to tell
From my electrical well
It's a simple message and I'm leaving out the whistles and bells
So the room must listen to me
Filibuster vigilantly
My name is blue canary one note* spelled l-i-t-e
My story's infinite
Like the Longines Symphonette it doesn't rest
I'd like to leave you with that thought and maybe, just maybe, one of you can make a difference to your community and eventually the whole country.
Flags have never made me feel uncomfortable. Would a street full of Tricolours make you uncomfortable?? Tourist wouldn't have a clue
I remember once seeing a flag of bearing the name of the neo-nazi Combat 18 group proudly flying alongside the Israeli flag once. :D
It's "Flegs" surely?
Let them put the flags up, but only ones that are relevant. Union Flag, Defunct Norn Iron Flag, Scottisg Flag. None of this UVF or Israel shite.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
Flags have never made me feel uncomfortable. Would a street full of Tricolours make you uncomfortable?? Tourist wouldn't have a clue
Flags don't personally make me uncomfortable. But i know it annoys at lot of people on both sides!!
I do believe you should respect your national flag. Maybe one located on a pole in a prominent location properly looked after, without them lining the streets(starting to fade & rip) would be better suited!!
Quote from: front of the mountain on July 01, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
But the most unusual I noticed as driving through a rural backwater in the tyrone/fermanagh region last night was the the flag of israel being hoisted proudly aloft on street lighting pole. I began to wonder to myself what the hell has this got to do with the so called culture?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OvD7y01oznw/SclohTWD22I/AAAAAAAAD6g/fqglFUI1JTU/s400/Confusionism.jpg)
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
Jesus Christ! (Pardon the reference.) I never thought of that! Is that really it?
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
The incorporation of the Star of David into Loyalist culture was partly due to the influence of long term MI5 agent, DUP member and protected paedophile William McGrath, 'The Beast Of Kincora'. It makes no sense because it's the product of a very sick mind.
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
Quote from: Cáthasaigh on July 01, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism)
The incorporation of the Star of David into Loyalist culture was partly due to the influence of long term MI5 agent, DUP member and protected paedophile William McGrath, 'The Beast Of Kincora'. It makes no sense because it's the product of a very sick mind.
Was there any suggested rationale to it, even allowing for its source? Or was it the lost tribe theory in his case as well?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
OK. Maybe that makes sense. Just support the enemies of whomever the Taigs seem to support.
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
OK. Maybe that makes sense. Just support the enemies of whomever the Taigs seem to support.
That's it in a nutshell, Hardy.
Quote from: AQMP on July 01, 2011, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
OK. Maybe that makes sense. Just support the enemies of whomever the Taigs seem to support.
That's it in a nutshell, Hardy.
Considering who's involved I'd imagine that thought processes had very little to do with it.
Tamnamore Roundabout sure looks well this time of year.. but why a motorway roundabout?
A fella I know that does the marching thing told me once that a crowd of outsiders came into the village he lives in and started putting up all flags you see this time of year, national and paramilitary ones. the locals were pissed and asked what they were at and told them to clear to hell. Also when one was put outside a Catholic church in Kilrea the local lodge had it taken down so it wouldn't cause offence. They must not all be bad
I've heard that Pontzpass has an agreement where the flags go up in June and down end of July - don't know if this is adhered to.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
That would be my take on it also.
In Lurgan here at the moment the big Protestant COI church down the Fenian end of the town has not 1, 2 or even 3, but 4!!! union jacks flying out of the spire. Could you imagine the hue and cry if the Catholics hoisted up the Tricolour?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
Yeah, I thought it was just that since the PLO and PIRA were 'allies' in that they trained together in Libya (according to the Tom Clancy book I read anyway), then the loyalists decided to ally up with Israel. Although of course there are similarities between pre-troubles NI and the likes of Israel and the old South Africa.
It could be that the lost tribe thing adds to the perceived connection too though.
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Cáthasaigh on July 01, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism)
The incorporation of the Star of David into Loyalist culture was partly due to the influence of long term MI5 agent, DUP member and protected paedophile William McGrath, 'The Beast Of Kincora'. It makes no sense because it's the product of a very sick mind.
Was there any suggested rationale to it, even allowing for its source? Or was it the lost tribe theory in his case as well?
They're not lost enough IMO. :D
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 01, 2011, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
Yeah, I thought it was just that since the PLO and PIRA were 'allies' in that they trained together in Libya (according to the Tom Clancy book I read anyway), then the loyalists decided to ally up with Israel. Although of course there are similarities between pre-troubles NI and the likes of Israel and the old South Africa.
It could be that the lost tribe thing adds to the perceived connection too though.
Heres me thought that Willie McCrea wrote that one.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 01, 2011, 11:30:13 AM
Let them put the flags up, but only ones that are relevant. Union Flag, Defunct Norn Iron Flag, Scottisg Flag. None of this UVF or Israel shite.
Ta Cintche Ziggy!
Quote from: Cáthasaigh on July 01, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
The incorporation of the Star of David into Loyalist culture was partly due to the influence of long term MI5 agent, DUP member and protected paedophile William McGrath, 'The Beast Of Kincora'. It makes no sense because it's the product of a very sick mind.
Irony is that Israel was also born out of Anti-British Terrorism. It was simply an attempt to react to what Republicans/Provos do. It's the same attitude as the Jerry Springer Show (ie. "He cheated on me, so I slept with his best Friend!"). It's simply vindictiveness.
Quote from: Cáthasaigh on July 01, 2011, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: front of the mountain on July 01, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
But the most unusual I noticed as driving through a rural backwater in the tyrone/fermanagh region last night was the the flag of israel being hoisted proudly aloft on street lighting pole. I began to wonder to myself what the hell has this got to do with the so called culture?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OvD7y01oznw/SclohTWD22I/AAAAAAAAD6g/fqglFUI1JTU/s400/Confusionism.jpg)
Johnny Adair was a member of the National Front. Johnny Adair's self-confessed favourite band is UB40 ... ???
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
Flags have never made me feel uncomfortable. Would a street full of Tricolours make you uncomfortable?? Tourist wouldn't have a clue
true
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
Large number of Protestants my bangle. It's a tiny, tiny minority of crackpots.
This is july 1st. Just blink and ignore everything for the next 31 days (inclusive). Mad Month has arrived. Unless it affects me and and my family, in a physical way, not verbal, it wouldnt cost me a thought if i went to magherafelt in the morning and it was wall to wall union jacks !|
Trying to link loyalism to rational thought is futile.
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2011, 10:44:32 AM
Home truths for lovers of our wee country. Actually, I thought someone had hacked into Kevin Myers account and wrote the piece below.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/loyalist-bigotry-did-not-arise-just-when-the-ira-came-along-16017902.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/loyalist-bigotry-did-not-arise-just-when-the-ira-came-along-16017902.html)
QuoteIt was good of the UVF thugs of east Belfast to give me a cue with which to follow my column about nationalism last week (which, as it happens I had started before the unprovoked attack on the Short Strand).
For we should be clear about this: the culture of the Billy Boy tribal bigot predates the emergence of nationalism as a powerful force among the Catholic working classes of Belfast and Glasgow.
Paradoxically, the rabble-rousing leaders of these drunken louts have usually been teetotal clergymen, such as Roaring Hanna and Ian Paisley.
The compulsory Sunday closing of pubs was once a primary element of their identity — provided that their own drinking clubs were allowed to remain open.
Logic is never the strong point of any strongly-held tribal identity, but particularly so for these people, who have remained locked in a historical enigma wherein they are 'British', although living in Ireland, and generally lawless, though they 'loyally' support the Crown, and sober in their general political aspiration, though usually enough drunk at the time.
They have a church, too. In their illiterate and incoherent scheme of things, Calvary is probably a collective for horses and maybe Gethsemane is something mysterious that happens in a sperm-bank. No, their real religion is Rangers Football Club.
Glasgow Rangers is the sporting icon for loyalist bigots. The club's own words are irreproachably neutral.
It is law-abiding. It is patriotically British. Its outward message is of harmony and ecumenism. But to the large thug element amongst the Rangers fans, the key to their identity is almost like the Third Secret of Fatima. It is this: no Fenians here.
There is a congenial, indeed government-backed myth, in both Scotland and in Ireland, that 'one side is bad as another': that Sinn Fein/IRA are pretty much the same as the UDA/UVF.
This is simply untrue. There is no republican equivalent to the Romper Rooms of the UDA, wherein men were routinely beaten to a pulp by loyalist thugs and from which both the term and the practice became celebrated.
And then there was Lenny Murphy and his merry gang, the Shankill Butchers, who for years in the mid-1970s abducted, tortured and murdered Catholics — usually by cutting their victims' throats.
This culture did not emerge simply as a response to IRA violence.
It was there already. It was feckless, violent, drunken, lost, lumpen proletarians for whom a perverted tribal identity conjoined with a godlessly Calvinist sense of superiority, even as they stewed in their ghettoes of suffocating illiteracy and economic failure.
But they were, nonetheless, elevated by the insane delusion that they are the chosen people, who have been deprived of their birthright by some vast conspiracy between the Catholic Church and the British government.
This psychiatric condition affects almost an entire under-caste, thereby placing their minds and aspirations almost beyond ordinary analysis.
Last Sunday, it was 45 years since their hero, Gusty Spence, murdered the teenage barman Peter Ward and seriously wounded William Doyle in the Malvern Street shootings.
Thus the Troubles got under way. Nineteen years later, the Catholic barrister who had defended Spence at his trial — also called William Doyle — was shot dead by the IRA for the hideous crime of being a judge. And so it goes.
Now we know: these Troubles of ours haven't gone away, you know. And they're at it again in east Belfast, with a lost tribe of illiterate, paranoid barbarians wandering the bleak landscape of their own brutal imaginations, about no purpose that any one of them could possibly explain.
Except they probably know this is a period of rather enjoyable violence, before the much-loved Orange marches — plus riots, with luck — can begin.
And next comes Rangers' first match of the season, to be followed by a night of paralytic alcoholism and rounded off, no doubt, with a complete short-term memory lapse. (This is called 'culture', by the way.)
For once, let history be our guide. Our political classes must not be swayed by the violence of these cretins.
It's very suprising (to me anyway)that Kevin Myers wrote this article as there's a lot.of sense in what he say's
Quote from: hardstation on July 01, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: MW on July 01, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
Large number of Protestants my bangle. It's a tiny, tiny minority of crackpots.
Most do.
:D
You, Mr hardstation, are delusional and hilarious. You've invented hundreds of thousands of fantasy Protestants to suit your own wierd opinions!
In my three decades as a member of the Protestant community I've never even met anyone who espoused "lost tribe of Israel" views.
In the Occupied Territories the Primrose and Blue flies over the symbols of Free State Opression like the Garda Station and the Public Library but thankfully all other Freemen of Mayo fly the Green and Red over Ballaghadereen.
FREE BALLAGHADEREEN.
All flegs, everywhere, should be banned.
Anthems too.
Pile of shite.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2011, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 01, 2011, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 01, 2011, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
I would also have thought that "they" attach themselves to the Israeli/South African Apartheid states, similar to the way Nationalists/Republicans would have with the PLO/ANC.
Yeah, I thought it was just that since the PLO and PIRA were 'allies' in that they trained together in Libya (according to the Tom Clancy book I read anyway), then the loyalists decided to ally up with Israel. Although of course there are similarities between pre-troubles NI and the likes of Israel and the old South Africa.
It could be that the lost tribe thing adds to the perceived connection too though.
Heres me thought that Willie McCrea wrote that one.
Willie was credited as political adviser on the book.
Quote from: hardstation on July 02, 2011, 12:43:32 AM
Quote from: MW on July 01, 2011, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 01, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: MW on July 01, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 01, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
A large number of Protestants, including a fair contingent of DUP members notably Minister Nelson McCausland, consider the Ulster Protestants to be a lost tribe of Isrealites.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/26/northern-ireland-ulster-museum-creationism
Large number of Protestants my bangle. It's a tiny, tiny minority of crackpots.
Most do.
:D
You, Mr hardstation, are delusional and hilarious. You've invented hundreds of thousands of fantasy Protestants to suit your own wierd opinions!
In my three decades as a member of the Protestant community I've never even met anyone who espoused "lost tribe of Israel" views.
In my three decades as a Fenian, every Protestant I have ever met has espoused such views.
Yes, but you've only met one Protestant.
Quote from: Ulick on July 01, 2011, 03:26:30 PM
In Lurgan here at the moment the big Protestant COI church down the Fenian end of the town has not 1, 2 or even 3, but 4!!! union jacks flying out of the spire. Could you imagine the hue and cry if the Catholics hoisted up the Tricolour?
Good old 'Christian' triumphalism -- antagonise thy neighbour, as thou might be antagonised by their very (antagonistic) existence.
Know now how the muslims might have felt under the hooves of the advancing crusades.
I went for a cycle yesterday through Ballyclare, Doagh and Parkgate. Nice part of the country but spolied by the red white and blue regalia (not to mention the UDA and UVF flags)
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
sure the dubs flags are usually down by the end of july or early august,the jacks are normally up until september!
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
sure the dubs flags are usually down by the end of july or early august,the jacks are normally up until september!
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'jacks' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'jack' may refer to the Union Flag as flown by the UK.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'jack' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 04, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
sure the dubs flags are usually down by the end of july or early august,the jacks are normally up until september!
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'jacks' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'jack' may refer to the Union Flag as flown by the UK.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'jack' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
no shit sherlock :D
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 04, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
sure the dubs flags are usually down by the end of july or early august,the jacks are normally up until september!
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'jacks' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'jack' may refer to the Union Flag as flown by the UK.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'jack' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
no shit sherlock :D
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'Shelock' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'Sherlock' may refer to the fictional detective.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'Sherlock' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
Quote from: muppet on July 04, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'Shelock' is different from yours.
Yeah, a Shelock(ibooky) is a snail
Quote from: muppet on July 04, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 04, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
sure the dubs flags are usually down by the end of july or early august,the jacks are normally up until september!
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'jacks' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'jack' may refer to the Union Flag as flown by the UK.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'jack' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
no shit sherlock :D
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'Shelock' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'Sherlock' may refer to the fictional detective.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'Sherlock' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
never rated jason anyway ::)
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 04, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 04, 2011, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on July 04, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: laoislad on July 01, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Could be worse lads,there are all Dublin flags around the place where I live so just remember there is always someone worse off than yourself.
sure the dubs flags are usually down by the end of july or early august,the jacks are normally up until september!
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'jacks' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'jack' may refer to the Union Flag as flown by the UK.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'jack' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
no shit sherlock :D
Bad choice of words Ourboy, LL's interpretaton of the term 'Shelock' is different from yours.
LL in nordie speak, 'Sherlock' may refer to the fictional detective.
isourboydownyet in mexican, 'Sherlock' may refer to a dub, 'jackeen' is a boord dub.
never rated jason anyway ::)
Now, you and LL are speaking the same language! btw, what you've just said is known as 'sacrilege' in dubspeak
In Burren and up the Armagh Road in Newry i have seen Barcelona flags. ABU bigots.
Nothing worse than those shower of p***ks.
Newry looked splendid last September with all the flags and Buntings pity that prod sam maguire never turned up for his fooking party.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 04, 2011, 05:07:23 PM
In Burren and up the Armagh Road in Newry i have seen Barcelona flags. ABU bigots.
Nothing worse than those shower of p***ks.
Newry looked splendid last September with all the flags and Buntings pity that prod sam maguire never turned up for his fooking party.
They'll be moth-eaten before youse get to use them again.
Quote from: Ulick on July 01, 2011, 03:26:30 PM
In Lurgan here at the moment the big Protestant COI church down the Fenian end of the town has not 1, 2 or even 3, but 4!!! union jacks flying out of the spire. Could you imagine the hue and cry if the Catholics hoisted up the Tricolour?
It's covered in scaffolding is it not?
The Star of david is used to show support for the right of a state eg Israel, UK to occupy the territory of another people if they are militarily capable of doing so. However the presence of an oppressor in each respective conflict is where the similarities end. The differences between the 2 and the many reasons this action shows ignorance are too numerous to list.
The Scottish flag is flown as a tribute to the large no. of scotts who, ironically, battle hardened from their own history of oppression from England were seen as the ideal candidates to settle on the land stolen from Irish farmers in the North of the country. It remains to be seen if this flag will still be used here when Scotland inevitably votes in the 2nd Term of their current Govts time in office(a manifesto pledge by the SNP who not only were the largest party at the last election but who recieved enough of a mandate to form a majority govt) to leave our Loyalists' beloved Union. This brings us nicely on to the Union flag which itself is under threat due to the soon to be missing blue and white portion!
Interesting that Scottish and Irish culture are Gaelic, for the most part, something that is ignored by our Ulster Scots loving brothers who pick and choose the parts of Scots culture that suits. Highlands and Island Scots, their language music, shinty and culture have much more in common with Irish Gaelic culture than with English culture. A point that seems to be lost on some.... Just an observation.
According to Billy Connolly, the Scots originally came from Ireland. They just wanted to live where it was even colder and rainier! ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on July 05, 2011, 10:29:32 AM
According to Billy Connolly, the Scots originally came from Ireland. They just wanted to live where it was even colder and rainier! ;)
He is right to a point. Ther was another poster here on a different thread who gave me a detailed summary of the history after I had posted a rather shortened version. Perhaps he could repeat it here?
Quote from: ziggysego on July 05, 2011, 10:29:32 AM
According to Billy Connolly, the Scots originally came from Ireland. They just wanted to live where it was even colder and rainier! ;)
which is why the rev ian always said the planters (who were also the lost tribe) were just coming back to claim their birthright. Scot was the original roman term for the irish, and the name came to apply to scotland after the paddies took the land now known as scotland for part of their empire (sort of). Anyway, we'll await the more detailed and accurate explanation.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 05, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
Interesting that Scottish and Irish culture are Gaelic, for the most part, something that is ignored by our Ulster Scots loving brothers who pick and choose the parts of Scots culture that suits. Highlands and Island Scots, their language music, shinty and culture have much more in common with Irish Gaelic culture than with English culture. A point that seems to be lost on some.... Just an observation.
that's the irony of it, the Scots that settled here were lowland scots, I had this out with EG before but as usual he tried to rail over it.
Basically the were 2 distinct people in scotland - the highlanders who were Gaelic and the lowlanders who were Saxon/Norman/French/other and they hated each other. The lowlanders hated everything highland i.e. Dancing, bagpipes, language, kilts, yet the seriously mentally limited thugs here wouldn't realise they were of lowland stock originally and their ancestors would have deplored the highland dancing, bagpipes etc that they profess to love. The irony is unreal and never ceases to amaze me how thick these people are.
Nelson McCausland running around in his kilt is rather humorous... though technically McCausland would be a Scots-Gaelic surname I assume? Which I suppose adds to the irony :D
Quote from: Orior on July 04, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
I went for a cycle yesterday through Ballyclare, Doagh and Parkgate. Nice part of the country but spolied by the red white and blue regalia (not to mention the UDA and UVF flags)
Good to see that the PSNI read GAA Board. I was doing the same ride again this morning, and rode past a burnt out car and the roads covered in rubble and bricks. The strange thing is that this was in a seemingly well to do area.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14096799 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14096799)
Needless to say, I stopped and asked a photographer if the locals had rioted because Limerick hurlers beat Antrim yesterday. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) the photographer didnt get the joke.
heard them on talkback mentioning some survey about flags 81% of both prods and taigs dont want flags of any kind anywhere.. progress at last
Quote from: lawnseed on July 10, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
heard them on talkback mentioning some survey about flags 81% of both prods and taigs dont want flags of any kind anywhere.. progress at last
The other 19% don't give a f**k.
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Quote from: lawnseed on July 10, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
heard them on talkback mentioning some survey about flags 81% of both prods and taigs dont want flags of any kind anywhere.. progress at last
The other 19% don't give a f**k.
19%?
Quote from: ziggysego on July 11, 2011, 12:21:11 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2011, 09:53:55 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on July 10, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
heard them on talkback mentioning some survey about flags 81% of both prods and taigs dont want flags of any kind anywhere.. progress at last
The other 19% don't give a f**k.
19%?
Simple arithmetic....
100
-81
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19
Quite right, ;D
Quote from: hardstation on July 11, 2011, 09:07:27 AM
The peelers have now apologised.
::)
For doing their job for once? Nice.
"We will not give in to the threat of violence etc."
It was disgusting watching that horrible cnut McCrea on the news last night saying that the cops were very sorry, yet another marching season and yet another year of orangemen trying to assert their authority over their catholic 'neighbours'
LMFAO :D ;D :D
http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/07/11/donegall-roadbroadway-bonfire-ablaze-16-hours-early/
There's a few nice UVF flags hanging off lamposts on the Shore Road and one flying from a house down near Asda too.
I thought these were being taken down by the PSNI?
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 02:31:13 PM
There's a few nice UVF flags hanging off lamposts on the Shore Road and one flying from a house down near Asda too.
I thought these were being taken down by the PSNI?
Rois don't venture anyway near New Mossley, about a dozen different flags from terrorist to butchers apron to israeli to skull and crossbones on the one roundabout (total about 40-45 flags)!
Got lost out there two weeks ago trying to find a shortcut to Greenacres driving range nr Ballyclare - might just avoid that part of the world for a day or two.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 11, 2011, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 02:31:13 PM
There's a few nice UVF flags hanging off lamposts on the Shore Road and one flying from a house down near Asda too.
I thought these were being taken down by the PSNI?
Rois don't venture anyway near New Mossley, about a dozen different flags from terrorist to butchers apron to israeli to skull and crossbones on the one roundabout (total about 40-45 flags)!
Did i miss something or was capt jack sparrow a die hard loyalist from the docks???
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
Got lost out there two weeks ago trying to find a shortcut to Greenacres driving range nr Ballyclare - might just avoid that part of the world for a day or two.
Is Greenacres driving range better than Ballyearl? Greenacres was on my cycle route too.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 11, 2011, 10:39:11 AM
It was disgusting watching that horrible cnut McCrea on the news last night saying that the cops were very sorry, yet another marching season and yet another year of orangemen trying to assert their authority over their catholic 'neighbours'
I concur.
At least Sammy had the decency to condemn the violence.
Another example of the pan-nationalist front suppressing unionist culture.
Killer wants out to attend Twelfth night celebration (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14109112)
Can you believe the arrogance?
Quote from: Banana Man on July 11, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 11, 2011, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 02:31:13 PM
There's a few nice UVF flags hanging off lamposts on the Shore Road and one flying from a house down near Asda too.
I thought these were being taken down by the PSNI?
Rois don't venture anyway near New Mossley, about a dozen different flags from terrorist to butchers apron to israeli to skull and crossbones on the one roundabout (total about 40-45 flags)!
Did i miss something or was capt jack sparrow a die hard loyalist from the docks???
Wasit a UCC GFC flag?
You have to remember that 63% of them can't spell UDA. The other 42% probably think UCC is just another covername. ;)
There may be a strong case for the blanket banning of all flags, and kerb painting and bunting and arches and all the other territory marking BS
Quote from: Orior on July 11, 2011, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
Got lost out there two weeks ago trying to find a shortcut to Greenacres driving range nr Ballyclare - might just avoid that part of the world for a day or two.
Is Greenacres driving range better than Ballyearl? Greenacres was on my cycle route too.
I've never been to Ballyearl but Greenacres has the wee electric job to lift the balls up onto the tee. Very lazy. Also cheaper than the driving range at Mount Ober, the only other driving range in Belfast that I've been to.
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 05:12:43 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 11, 2011, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
Got lost out there two weeks ago trying to find a shortcut to Greenacres driving range nr Ballyclare - might just avoid that part of the world for a day or two.
Is Greenacres driving range better than Ballyearl? Greenacres was on my cycle route too.
I've never been to Ballyearl but Greenacres has the wee electric job to lift the balls up onto the tee. Very lazy. Also cheaper than the driving range at Mount Ober, the only other driving range in Belfast that I've been to.
Yes, Ballyearl also has those gadgets to lift your balls. Well, for the men anyway.
Disgraceful apologising for taking down the flags. Having a culture and celebrating a day, week, event, festival whatever is one thing, painting curbs and flags flying 24/7 is pathetic. Painting curbs, no respect for their flag at all. An individual who has true pride i nether nations flag flies it proudly, no bullshit, when it rains, it gets taken in, the flag never touches the ground etc. These flags fly from poles all year round, ripped and torn, dirty, no respect at all. Lowers the tone of a community. As an uncle said once 'its like a dog pissing on lampost' marking territory as such. The flags themselves too, they aren't just the national flag, the UJ or whatever, some say UVF on them etc. Disgraceful i think. I have no problem with their beliefs, their behaviour and conduct however sickens me.
Quote from: EagleLord on July 11, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
Disgraceful apologising for taking down the flags. Having a culture and celebrating a day, week, event, festival whatever is one thing, painting curbs and flags flying 24/7 is pathetic. Painting curbs, no respect for their flag at all. An individual who has true pride i nether nations flag flies it proudly, no bullshit, when it rains, it gets taken in, the flag never touches the ground etc. These flags fly from poles all year round, ripped and torn, dirty, no respect at all. Lowers the tone of a community. As an uncle said once 'its like a dog pissing on lampost' marking territory as such. The flags themselves too, they aren't just the national flag, the UJ or whatever, some say UVF on them etc. Disgraceful i think. I have no problem with their beliefs, their behaviour and conduct however sickens me.
In September 1996 the kerbstones of Ballaghadereen, County Mayo under Roscommon occupation were painted in the most glorious and beautiful green and red of Mother Mayo.
Quote from: firestarter on July 04, 2011, 08:27:48 PM
The Scottish flag is flown as a tribute to the large no. of scotts who, ironically, battle hardened from their own history of oppression from England were seen as the ideal candidates to settle on the land stolen from Irish farmers in the North of the country. It remains to be seen if this flag will still be used here when Scotland inevitably votes in the 2nd Term of their current Govts time in office(a manifesto pledge by the SNP who not only were the largest party at the last election but who recieved enough of a mandate to form a majority govt) to leave our Loyalists' beloved Union.
Not very likely. And in the unlikely event that they did vote for independence, I don't see any reason why they'd change their flag.
I read on Slugger that Polish flags were being burnt too. The PSNI were obliged to investigate it as it was deemed racist.
It must be a tough job trying to tell the racist bits apart from the "cultural" bits.
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
I read on Slugger that Polish flags were being burnt too. The PSNI were obliged to investigate it as it was deemed racist.
It must be a tough job trying to tell the racist bits apart from the "cultural" bits.
Polish flag = racist
Irish flag = culture ????
(http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Pitt-ParkIMG_3652.jpg)
Quote from: Rouge_Diablo on July 11, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
I read on Slugger that Polish flags were being burnt too. The PSNI were obliged to investigate it as it was deemed racist.
It must be a tough job trying to tell the racist bits apart from the "cultural" bits.
Polish flag = racist
Irish flag = culture ????
(http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Pitt-ParkIMG_3652.jpg)
they seem to have all angles covered there.. a few tinnies and it will make for a great celebration of orange culture ::)
The Irish News today showed that bonfire from the other side today. The large banner on the upper left in that pic: 'K.A.T' (kill all taigs). Welcome to orangefest :)
The main bonfire in Armagh has both the city clubs flags, Armagh flag, numerous tricolours and sinn fein election poster amongst other items on top of it!!! Rumour has it Groucho was spotted donating the Pearse Og flag? ;-)
Quote from: lawnseed on July 11, 2011, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Rouge_Diablo on July 11, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
I read on Slugger that Polish flags were being burnt too. The PSNI were obliged to investigate it as it was deemed racist.
It must be a tough job trying to tell the racist bits apart from the "cultural" bits.
Polish flag = racist
Irish flag = culture ????
(http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Pitt-ParkIMG_3652.jpg)
they seem to have all angles covered there.. a few tinnies and it will make for a great celebration of orange culture ::)
pardon my ignorance but what's the S.S.H ?
is it a hospital?
S.S.H. = Short Strand Hoodzz innit.
UTH
FTPSNI
KAH
etc.
(http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/cluan-placepalestinianflagIMG_3574.jpg)
That has to be the most fucked up society on the planet.
Quote from: Hardy on July 11, 2011, 11:57:48 PM
That has to be the most fucked up society on the planet.
Statements like that are eroding the cultural identity of the working class pradisent. Pass the grant form Billy.
I swear I heard short sharp bangs fifteen mins ago, promptly followed by a hovering helicopter that is treading water over North Belfast. I'm tempted to go and have a nosey to see what the craic is.
Idiots can't even spell Neil Lennon...
Quote from: Rois on July 12, 2011, 12:28:31 AM
I swear I heard short sharp bangs fifteen mins ago, promptly followed by a hovering helicopter that is treading water over North Belfast. I'm tempted to go and have a nosey to see what the craic is.
heard the same myself. though im not to far away from broadway, not sure if it was gun fire or fireworks.
edit: just after hearing more there now, getting pretty mad out there.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 11, 2011, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on July 11, 2011, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Rouge_Diablo on July 11, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 11, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
I read on Slugger that Polish flags were being burnt too. The PSNI were obliged to investigate it as it was deemed racist.
It must be a tough job trying to tell the racist bits apart from the "cultural" bits.
Polish flag = racist
Irish flag = culture ????
(http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Pitt-ParkIMG_3652.jpg)
they seem to have all angles covered there.. a few tinnies and it will make for a great celebration of orange culture ::)
pardon my ignorance but what's the S.S.H ?
Why on earth is there a brazil top there? Is it in case people get confused and they want to ensure that everyone knows they're not Brazil, they're Norn Iron?
I think that's the Celtic away top. I always find this very sad. What percentage of the Unionist community are involved in this would you say? 5%? Less? More :(?
I want to know where that wee bast**d thinks he got his ginger hair from!! Thats right Billy you got it from Ireland the ginger capital of the world. Now put that in your bag pipes and smoke it!
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
I think that's the Celtic away top. I always find this very sad. What percentage of the Unionist community are involved in this would you say? 5%? Less? More :(?
this and marching is the sum total of Orange culture, but it is definitely not sectarian, even though they are also burning Papal Flags as seen on BBC Newsline last evening. the silence from the pro union posters on this issue speaks for its self.
i know a lad who owns a joinery business and this time every year he piles up all the unwanted wood in a field at the side of the house as he always get away with lighting it on the 11th night. He aint a unionist or an orangeman just a business man getting rid of a bit of rubbish.
We get a good laugh out of it every year.
Last year i told him to stock pile it for September and he could light it on the 3rd Sunday, he laughed and said down had no chance.
A wise man. ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 12, 2011, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
I think that's the Celtic away top. I always find this very sad. What percentage of the Unionist community are involved in this would you say? 5%? Less? More :(?
this and marching is the sum total of Orange culture, but it is definitely not sectarian, even though they are also burning Papal Flags as seen on BBC Newsline last evening. the silence from the pro union posters on this issue speaks for its self.
There was a pic of that on Slugger yesterday
(http://sluggerotoole.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Cluan-PlaceIMG_3599.jpg)
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
I think that's the Celtic away top. I always find this very sad. What percentage of the Unionist community are involved in this would you say? 5%? Less? More :(?
Nope, when you zoom in you can tell it's a Brazil top as the crest is a shield rather than a circle like the Celtic top.
Quote from: gallsman on July 12, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
I think that's the Celtic away top. I always find this very sad. What percentage of the Unionist community are involved in this would you say? 5%? Less? More :(?
Nope, when you zoom in you can tell it's a Brazil top as the crest is a shield rather than a circle like the Celtic top.
Looks like this jersey to me. Lovely wee messages scrawled on it too.
(http://www.prodirectsoccer.com/productimages/Thumbs/11811.jpg)
Was home there for a wee while and I think this is the last time I'll be home around the month of July. We shipped out on the morning of the 11th.
We were in a wee spot just in behind the British Legion there over the weekend and could easily here the sectarian songs being chanted by the gentlemen of the highest.
Quote from: AFS on July 12, 2011, 07:11:00 PM
Looks like this jersey to me. Lovely wee messages scrawled on it too.
(http://www.prodirectsoccer.com/productimages/Thumbs/11811.jpg)
Yep, undoubtedly the Bhoys' away shirt; there is none so blind as those who can nought see (but shield)! ;)
very good of them to put sand under the fires. They was of read there copy of belfast councils guide on how to build a cultural bonfire...wankers
Quote from: gallsman on July 12, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
I think that's the Celtic away top. I always find this very sad. What percentage of the Unionist community are involved in this would you say? 5%? Less? More :(?
Nope, when you zoom in you can tell it's a Brazil top as the crest is a shield rather than a circle like the Celtic top.
What are you smoking?
Quote from: Orior on July 11, 2011, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2011, 03:06:26 PM
Got lost out there two weeks ago trying to find a shortcut to Greenacres driving range nr Ballyclare - might just avoid that part of the world for a day or two.
Is Greenacres driving range better than Ballyearl? Greenacres was on my cycle route too.
Burnfield isn't a bad wee 9 hole course just down from Ballyearl.
Went out for a drive round Belfast on the evening of the 11th, the number of tricolours on bonfires was ridiculous, must confuse the feck out of tourists!
Culture - my arse. There's more culture at a Klan rally!
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 18, 2011, 03:11:19 PM
Went out for a drive round Belfast on the evening of the 11th, the number of tricolours on bonfires was ridiculous, must confuse the feck out of tourists!
Culture - my arse. There's more culture at a Klan rally!
Idiots the lot of them.
One thing about Loyalists they sure can invent flags, they have more flags and versions of flags than the rest of the world put together. it seems at times that every lampost has it's own unique version...But still none as good as the Fenian Jack
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 18, 2011, 03:11:19 PM
Went out for a drive round Belfast on the evening of the 11th, the number of tricolours on bonfires was ridiculous, must confuse the feck out of tourists!
Culture - my arse. There's more culture at a Klan rally!
More culture in a yogurt :D
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2011, 11:55:36 AM
Sorry, but no matter how much I walk around it, poke it and squint at it, I can't make any sense of a suggested connection between Northern loyalism or protestantism or unionism or Rangerism on the one hand and Israel or Zionism or Judaism on the other. Can anyone help?
Is it just that the flag is in the Rangers colours, much as you see Japanese and American Confederate flags on the terraces when Cork are playing?
The truth is that they attach theselves to the exact opposite of what nationalists do. So when people,for example on the Falls rd, started flying the Palestinian flag for some reason, those on the shankill flew the opposite.
The solution is really rather simple. All nationalists and republicans should fly union jacks and anti papal flags,
the others will react by flying the exact opposite
when do they start to come down usually??
Down in Omagh, except for a few on the Hospital Road.
Quote from: andoireabu on July 01, 2011, 01:56:43 PM
A fella I know that does the marching thing told me once that a crowd of outsiders came into the village he lives in and started putting up all flags you see this time of year, national and paramilitary ones. the locals were pissed and asked what they were at and told them to clear to hell. Also when one was put outside a Catholic church in Kilrea the local lodge had it taken down so it wouldn't cause offence. They must not all be bad
Are ya fcukin serious? Times have surely changed in my wee town!!! I remember Mass on a Saturday night being accompanied by multiple renditions of "the sash" just outside the door!!!
Still, the two classics around Kilrea are: the flying of the Croatian flag - arguably one of the most devout Catholic countries in the world, never mind Europe and the all time classic, the six-fingered Red Hand painted for years outside the primary school on the lisnagrot road.
QuoteA senior member of the Orange Order has appealed to the Government for permission to parade in Dublin.
Grand secretary Drew Nelson, who made history today when he became the first member of the organisation to address the Oireachtas, said Ireland would be a poorer place if the order's cultural heritage disappeared.
He also suggested the State had failed to look after Protestant communities in the border counties compared to the way the British government looked after Catholics in Northern Ireland.
Mr Nelson told the Seanad that one of the order's main goals was to improve north-south relations by holding parades in the Republic.
"There was one planned in Dublin a few years ago but it was unable to proceed," Mr Nelson said. "Our members in the Republic would welcome the opportunity to hold a parade in their capital city."
About 20 Orange Order parades take place in the Republic every year but none in a major city.
The only attempt to hold a major demonstration in Dublin - the Love Ulster march in 2006 - was abandoned after hundreds of protesters opposed to the Orange march rioted on the streets of Dublin.
Mr Nelson said the order completely understands the challenges such a parade would pose. "This institution and the bands which we support are the guardians of part of the intangible cultural heritage of not only Northern Ireland but also the Republic of Ireland," he said. "I believe that Ireland would be a poorer place if that cultural heritage disappeared."
On the issue of falling Protestant populations in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan Mr Nelson said the dwindled numbers compared to growing Catholic communities north of the Border. "This of course begs the question as to which state looked after its minority better," said Mr Nelson. "Many of our members from the minority Protestant community in the border counties of this state have spoken to me over the years of the communal uncertainty of their survival as a viable self-sustaining community."
He said many of them have spoken of their "fear of incurring the displeasure" of the State in any way.
The grand secretary, a key player for years in the Orange Order hierarchy, said it was important the Government is aware of the issue.
Mr Nelson also condemned recent sectarian attacks on Orange Order halls, which he described as the "demonisation" of the organisation by some members of the republican movement. He said continued resistance to the order's parades, including its annual Twelfth of July demonstrations across Northern Ireland, has a corrosive effect on Catholic-Protestant relations.
Mr Nelson called for accommodation and tolerance rather than segregation.
In his address to the Seanad, the grand secretary also thanked Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin, who invited him to the Oireachtas to make his address. He likened the gesture to that of Queen Elizabeth's visit to Ireland last year.
"Together let us resolve that no longer will the burden of history stand in the way of normalisation of relationships," Mr Nelson added.
I'm not sure how dwindling populations of Protestants in rural counties is a sign that they are not being looked after any less than anyone else. Are we supposed to help them conceive or give them jobs?
that said I do think its a good move for him to be addressing the Oireachtas and the more dialogue the better.
I often mean to head down to the BOTB centre on the 12th but I won't be about this year.
What status has this sectarian gang to be invited to address the Oireachtas? I suppose we can expect the KKK in Kildare Street any day now. At least people vote for the BNP, but I haven't seen their invitation to use the Oireachtas as a propaganda platform.
Quote from: Hardy on July 03, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
What status has this sectarian gang to be invited to address the Oireachtas? I suppose we can expect the KKK in Kildare Street any day now. At least people vote for the BNP, but I haven't seen their invitation to use the Oireachtas as a propaganda platform.
Surely this is a typo and you mean "Cultural and Religious Organisation"??
The 12th of July "Celebrations" have been awarded "Flagship" status by NI Tourist Board. This means that three of them (including the one in Enniskillen) are being promoted by NITB as tourist attractions/events. The OO is actually asking businesses to remain
open on the 12th (complete heresy in years gone by) in order to service the vast hordes of tourists who are likely to come and watch unreconstructed bigots walking up the street wearing a bowler hat and carrying a brolly.
They are becoming a spent force in the North so why would they be allowed anywhere near Dublin?! Every opportunity that arises to hammer a nail in their coffin should be taken. Tell them to feck off.
Strangest thing I ever saw was the French tricolours flying from the lampposts around Whiteabbey. They must have liked the colours.
That's almost up there with Wilheim Frazer getting outraged at the sight of an Italian flag because it looks similar to the Irish one.
Quote from: thejuice on July 03, 2012, 04:44:05 PM
QuoteA senior member of the Orange Order has appealed to the Government for permission to parade in Dublin.
Grand secretary Drew Nelson, who made history today when he became the first member of the organisation to address the Oireachtas, said Ireland would be a poorer place if the order's cultural heritage disappeared.
He also suggested the State had failed to look after Protestant communities in the border counties compared to the way the British government looked after Catholics in Northern Ireland.
Mr Nelson told the Seanad that one of the order's main goals was to improve north-south relations by holding parades in the Republic.
"There was one planned in Dublin a few years ago but it was unable to proceed," Mr Nelson said. "Our members in the Republic would welcome the opportunity to hold a parade in their capital city."
About 20 Orange Order parades take place in the Republic every year but none in a major city.
The only attempt to hold a major demonstration in Dublin - the Love Ulster march in 2006 - was abandoned after hundreds of protesters opposed to the Orange march rioted on the streets of Dublin.
Mr Nelson said the order completely understands the challenges such a parade would pose. "This institution and the bands which we support are the guardians of part of the intangible cultural heritage of not only Northern Ireland but also the Republic of Ireland," he said. "I believe that Ireland would be a poorer place if that cultural heritage disappeared."
On the issue of falling Protestant populations in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan Mr Nelson said the dwindled numbers compared to growing Catholic communities north of the Border. "This of course begs the question as to which state looked after its minority better," said Mr Nelson. "Many of our members from the minority Protestant community in the border counties of this state have spoken to me over the years of the communal uncertainty of their survival as a viable self-sustaining community."
He said many of them have spoken of their "fear of incurring the displeasure" of the State in any way.
The grand secretary, a key player for years in the Orange Order hierarchy, said it was important the Government is aware of the issue.
Mr Nelson also condemned recent sectarian attacks on Orange Order halls, which he described as the "demonisation" of the organisation by some members of the republican movement. He said continued resistance to the order's parades, including its annual Twelfth of July demonstrations across Northern Ireland, has a corrosive effect on Catholic-Protestant relations.
Mr Nelson called for accommodation and tolerance rather than segregation.
In his address to the Seanad, the grand secretary also thanked Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin, who invited him to the Oireachtas to make his address. He likened the gesture to that of Queen Elizabeth's visit to Ireland last year.
"Together let us resolve that no longer will the burden of history stand in the way of normalisation of relationships," Mr Nelson added.
I'm not sure how dwindling populations of Protestants in rural counties is a sign that they are not being looked after any less than anyone else. Are we supposed to help them conceive or give them jobs?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That piece is gas!
That time of year again. The idiots and ignorant out in full force. Buntin and flags everywhere. Seen union jacks with UVF written on, rangers crest, queens face, norn iron flags, scottish flag. Jaysus they just cant make their minds up what theyre at atal. As part of their 'culture' festival, should they not start having history workshops/classes??
In Rathfriland, County Down, there is a big arch put up every year. On it is a red hand, picture of queen, rangers football crest, norn iron football crest.. few other things. Ye seriously have to laugh at how thick they are.
Quote from: EagleLord on July 04, 2012, 04:40:41 PM
That time of year again. The idiots and ignorant out in full force. Buntin and flags everywhere. Seen union jacks with UVF written on, rangers crest, queens face, norn iron flags, scottish flag. Jaysus they just cant make their minds up what theyre at atal. As part of their 'culture' festival, should they not start having history workshops/classes??
In Rathfriland, County Down, there is a big arch put up every year. On it is a red hand, picture of queen, rangers football crest, norn iron football crest.. few other things. Ye seriously have to laugh at how thick they are.
To be fair it's good to see support for some of the smaller clubs.
Quote from: EagleLord on July 04, 2012, 04:40:41 PM
That time of year again. The idiots and ignorant out in full force. Buntin and flags everywhere. Seen union jacks with UVF written on, rangers crest, queens face, norn iron flags, scottish flag. Jaysus they just cant make their minds up what theyre at atal. As part of their 'culture' festival, should they not start having history workshops/classes??
In Rathfriland, County Down, there is a big arch put up every year. On it is a red hand, picture of queen, rangers football crest, norn iron football crest.. few other things. Ye seriously have to laugh at how thick they are.
Very retro.
I was going through Markethill yesterday and they have it decorated all over the place, the majority of houses have union jack flags outside them but i noticed a house on the side of the road with this hanging from it, right outside their front door, i seen them before loads on telegraph poles and street lights but above somones front door, f**king disgusting
(http://vkb.isvg.org/@api/deki/files/1322/=uvf-FLAG-reuters_198922s.jpg)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/national-trust-in-giants-causeway-creationism-row-7917687.html
Northern Ireland(as it exists between the ears of the DUP) is in a different timezone to the rest of Europe. Only 322 years behind the rest.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 05, 2012, 12:42:48 PM
I was going through Markethill yesterday and they have it decorated all over the place, the majority of houses have union jack flags outside them but i noticed a house on the side of the road with this hanging from it, right outside their front door, i seen them before loads on telegraph poles and street lights but above somones front door, f**king disgusting
(http://vkb.isvg.org/@api/deki/files/1322/=uvf-FLAG-reuters_198922s.jpg)
I know. What a bloody awful font. And what's the flag of St George doing in there?
Gay Pride insignia in Markethill? No, this is even too gaudy.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 05, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 05, 2012, 12:42:48 PM
I was going through Markethill yesterday and they have it decorated all over the place, the majority of houses have union jack flags outside them but i noticed a house on the side of the road with this hanging from it, right outside their front door, i seen them before loads on telegraph poles and street lights but above somones front door, f**king disgusting
(http://vkb.isvg.org/@api/deki/files/1322/=uvf-FLAG-reuters_198922s.jpg)
I know. What a bloody awful font. And what's the flag of St George doing in there?
The UVF obviously haven't had an effect on your family
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 05, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
Gay Pride insignia in Markethill? No, this is even too gaudy.
Careful now. Someone might take you to task for not taking this seriously enough.
Couple of points - Do the fuckwits who put up UVF flags outside their houses claim they relate to the original UVF from 1912? Secondly, could they not be prosecuted for flying paramilitary flags?
Quote from: michaelg on July 05, 2012, 10:54:10 PM
Couple of points - Do the fuckwits who put up UVF flags outside their houses claim they relate to the original UVF from 1912? Secondly, could they not be prosecuted for flying paramilitary flags?
Michael, were the UVF of 1912 correct in their threatened (potential) regicide?
Flags. Smlags. Only here.
There's a Norn Iron soccer flag up in Omagh. They've hung it up, up-side-down.
There's a bar on the Ormeau Road in Belfast which celebrated 4th July by lining the windows with US flags, all of them back to front.
On a totally different point, this same bar put the flags of all the competing nations in the Euros up in the windows when the competition kicked off. Pride of place, in the window right above the front door, was given to a great big Irish tricolour. It stayed there for two or three days. It then mysteriously disappeared, replaced by a Heineken flag. Would love to know the story behind that.
Quote from: michaelg on July 05, 2012, 10:54:10 PM
Couple of points - Do the fuckwits who put up UVF flags outside their houses claim they relate to the original UVF from 1912? Secondly, could they not be prosecuted for flying paramilitary flags?
I dont think they think theres a difference between original and current.
QuoteI dont think they think
Never a truer word spoken
Quote from: Myles Na G. on July 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM
There's a bar on the Ormeau Road in Belfast which celebrated 4th July by lining the windows with US flags, all of them back to front.
On a totally different point, this same bar put the flags of all the competing nations in the Euros up in the windows when the competition kicked off. Pride of place, in the window right above the front door, was given to a great big Irish tricolour. It stayed there for two or three days. It then mysteriously disappeared, replaced by a Heineken flag. Would love to know the story behind that.
I would imagine it was something along the lines of
"Get that fleg down now tae f**k or we'll torch the place"
Quote from: Myles Na G. on July 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM
There's a bar on the Ormeau Road in Belfast which celebrated 4th July by lining the windows with US flags, all of them back to front.
On a totally different point, this same bar put the flags of all the competing nations in the Euros up in the windows when the competition kicked off. Pride of place, in the window right above the front door, was given to a great big Irish tricolour. It stayed there for two or three days. It then mysteriously disappeared, replaced by a Heineken flag. Would love to know the story behind that.
Is that the Hatfield??
Flags it seems is the equivalent to the dog lifting his leg and pi**ing at a lampost..... Just seem to be marking their territory!!
Quote from: Myles Na G. on July 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM
There's a bar on the Ormeau Road in Belfast which celebrated 4th July by lining the windows with US flags, all of them back to front.
On a totally different point, this same bar put the flags of all the competing nations in the Euros up in the windows when the competition kicked off. Pride of place, in the window right above the front door, was given to a great big Irish tricolour. It stayed there for two or three days. It then mysteriously disappeared, replaced by a Heineken flag. Would love to know the story behind that.
Used to be that poor people hung their curtains with the pattern showing outside, whilst the gentry hung their curtains with the pattern showing to the inside of the house.
Quote from: michaelg on July 05, 2012, 10:54:10 PMCouple of points - Do the fuckwits who put up UVF flags outside their houses claim they relate to the original UVF from 1912?
They probably would claim it, even though there is NO connection. Afaik, Gusty Spence formed his band of terrorist pyschos in the mid-60's, taking the name from the British Army Division which had fought with such distinction in WW1, half a century before. (In fact, I remember talking to an RC friend who had taken a look around St. Anne's CoI Cathedral in Belfast one day. He was shocked to see "UVF" flags in a place of worship, until I explained that these were Army Colours and Battle Honours from the Somme in 1916.)
Quote from: michaelg on July 05, 2012, 10:54:10 PMSecondly, could they not be prosecuted for flying paramilitary flags?
It is very possible that the householders had nothing to do with it. Most likely is that a group of hallions came along with a van, a ladder and a whole bunch of assorted flags and "decorated" the street as they saw fit, irrespective of the wishes of individual householders. And if you weren't happy, these aren't the sort of people you would want to antagonise.
I know of one smallish Housing Estate, mostly Prod but mixed nonetheless, where Community Relations were always reasonably amicable. Then a couple of families moved in (more likely "were moved in" by the Housing Exec), who proceeded to torture their new neighbours. It got particularly bad as the Twelfth approached, with all sorts of flags and emblems hoisted everywhere. There was no way the locals dared being seen to interfere with flags outside their house, but eventually the PSNI were called in. I think some of the paramilitary shit might have been removed, only to be replaced as soon as the police left etc.
Anyhow, after people tried to negotiate a reasonable resolution collectively, the hoods only went round each house with a "Petition", which claimed that the flag displays had "widespread community support etc".
Of course, no-one dared to refuse to sign it, esp pensioners or people with kids etc, since they knew that if they did, that evening there would be a brick through their window, their car would be trashed, or worse.
I'm not up-to-date with that Estate now, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is now exclusively Prod, or on its way to it, since RC's must surely have been greatly intimidated. Yet it hadn't been a problem previously.
P.S. Quite aside from the sectarianism, those families were well known to the police for all sorts of "ordinary" criminality, as they tortured their Prod neighbours without discrimination [
sic].
These 2 houses in Markethill always have the UVF flag up. so there is no way they were bullied into putting them up. they wrap them up and put them into their attic until the following year, the bitter bastards
there would be some cry if someone were to put an IRA flag up outside their house
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 06, 2012, 03:30:24 PM
These 2 houses in Markethill always have the UVF flag up. so there is no way they were bullied into putting them up. they wrap them up and put them into their attic until the following year, the bitter b**tards
there would be some cry if someone were to put an IRA flag up outside their house
Id agree - generally the flags outside the house are the homeowners (i mean they have a flagpole installed for a start) - more commonly it is the murals on the gables that where foisted on people as far as I ever knew.
is there an ira flag? In derry Ive seen tricolours with IRA or INLA written on them in some areas, or starry plough - cant really think of an ira flag
Quote from: front of the mountain on July 06, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on July 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM
There's a bar on the Ormeau Road in Belfast which celebrated 4th July by lining the windows with US flags, all of them back to front.
On a totally different point, this same bar put the flags of all the competing nations in the Euros up in the windows when the competition kicked off. Pride of place, in the window right above the front door, was given to a great big Irish tricolour. It stayed there for two or three days. It then mysteriously disappeared, replaced by a Heineken flag. Would love to know the story behind that.
Is that the Hatfield??
Flags it seems is the equivalent to the dog lifting his leg and pi**ing at a lampost..... Just seem to be marking their territory!!
No, further up the Ormeau Road, opposite the police station. McCluskeys I think it's called now. Changes hands about every 18 months.
Massive bonfire built on the Shore Road, Belfast. Few nice messages on it too. Are you allowed to burn tyres ??
Quote from: OverTheBlackSpot on July 06, 2012, 05:54:52 PM
Massive bonfire built on the Shore Road, Belfast. Few nice messages on it too. Are you allowed to burn tyres ??
It's illegal to burn tyres. Still, if they're doing it in their own community, I'm not going to bother about them too much.
There is a little Chinese man in Beijing who spends his winters inventing new types of Loyalist flags which he then ships to Ulster each spring just in time for the gullible fools to put them up lamp posts. its a bit like last years t-shirt, you couldn't be seen in that now, so no decent lamp post would wear last years flag.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 06, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
There is a little Chinese man in Beijing who spends his winters inventing new types of Loyalist flags which he then ships to Ulster each spring just in time for the gullible fools to put them up lamp posts. its a bit like last years t-shirt, you couldn't be seen in that now, so no decent lamp post would wear last years flag.
Is he a catholic Chinese man or a protestant Chinese man?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 06, 2012, 08:45:18 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 06, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
There is a little Chinese man in Beijing who spends his winters inventing new types of Loyalist flags which he then ships to Ulster each spring just in time for the gullible fools to put them up lamp posts. its a bit like last years t-shirt, you couldn't be seen in that now, so no decent lamp post would wear last years flag.
Is he a catholic Chinese man or a protestant Chinese man?
Definitely a catholic, he loves taking the piss.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 06, 2012, 03:30:24 PMThese 2 houses in Markethill always have the UVF flag up. so there is no way they were bullied into putting them up. they wrap them up and put them into their attic until the following year, the bitter b**tards
If that is so, then the householders should be prosecuted (though they might try to hide behind the '1916 technicality').
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 06, 2012, 03:30:24 PMthere would be some cry if someone were to put an IRA flag up outside their house
Really?
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Society/Pix/pictures/2006/03/27/nireland_mural372.jpg)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZIycZ6zsSt6X98EKEL79kERWYMcrqcU4R3GJrTA5715a5UNco)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__zzioemRey4/TE6NiWLXUKI/AAAAAAAAFpo/tLhb8J3tiGQ/s1600/P1070558.JPG)
well played EG.
can we not do the tit for tat stuff?
"themmuns" and "usuns" tend to get discussion nowhere...
Quote from: heganboy on July 09, 2012, 04:06:25 PM
well played EG.
can we not do the tit for tat stuff?
The title of this thread is "Flags & Culture", not "
Loyalist Flags and Culture".
And my previous post was in direct response to 'Onion Bag's (false) claim that IRA symbols would not be allowed outside houses in the way "Loyalist" [
sic/i]] paraphanalia are.
Quote from: heganboy on July 09, 2012, 04:06:25 PM"themmuns" and "usuns" tend to get discussion nowhere...
The only "Ussuns" I am part of is those who abhor
all such terrorist displays, whether "Loyalist" or Republican.
And I make no distinction between "themmuns" who wave UVF flags or "themmuns"who wave IRA flags - they're both from the same sh1tty stock (imo).
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 09, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
And I make no distinction between "themmuns" who wave UVF flags or "themmuns"who wave IRA flags -
You have the Rep of Ireland State flag ( which is also the National Flag of 40- 45% of the 6 Co population) i.e the Tricolour in one of your photos.
Are you saying that is an IRA flag?
Yet you have the now unofficial 6 Co flag flying as your avatar thingy - a flag used by an awful lot of Loyalist paramilitaries.
Hmmmmm........ ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2012, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 09, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
And I make no distinction between "themmuns" who wave UVF flags or "themmuns"who wave IRA flags -
You have the Rep of Ireland State flag ( which is also the National Flag of 40- 45% of the 6 Co population) i.e the Tricolour in one of your photos.
Are you saying that is an IRA flag?
Yet you have the now unofficial 6 Co flag flying as your avatar thingy - a flag used by an awful lot of Loyalist paramilitaries.
Hmmmmm........ ::)
I think it's more to do with the Garden of Remembrance, than the tricolour.
Could be wrong though.
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 09, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: heganboy on July 09, 2012, 04:06:25 PM
well played EG.
can we not do the tit for tat stuff?
The title of this thread is "Flags & Culture", not "Loyalist Flags and Culture".
EG,
seriously - I meant it when I said well played.
your reply was a good one. the whataboutery gets us nowhere- so when someone says "what would be the outcry if there was an IRA flag you did the right thing IMHO by showing exactly the situation from another perspective than the poster.
parity of esteem in the North, then you have to realize that both sides feel they are getting screwed by the other...
Yes, indeed, EG, very well played again. Another categorical, unambiguous, unqualified condemnation of terrorism, whatever its source, unless, that is, that terrorism derives from those charged with protecting us, as in the Finucane case, where you have traditionally expressed outrage at the notion of assassination but satisfaction with the outcome of that very same assassination. I suppose, then, that malleable morality allows you to put the word "all" in unequivocal italics. In some former life, EG, you didn't happen to be a speech-writer for Margaret Thatcher, did you?
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On top on a bonfire. Disgraceful. 'Culture' My arse!
Quote from: EagleLord on July 11, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
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On top on a bonfire. Disgraceful. 'Culture' My arse!
It's worse than disgraceful. You can only feel a deep sense of pity for some one that would do this. Is that all is in their lives ?
Quote from: EagleLord on July 11, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
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On top on a bonfire. Disgraceful. 'Culture' My arse!
Good to see that the hand shake between Marty & Lizzie has had an effect :o I wonder would NITB like to comment on their tax payer funded "Flagship" project?
Saw it on twitter but it's from 2010 apparently. Sick nonetheless and it's what you come to expect from Loyalists.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 09, 2012, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2012, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 09, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
And I make no distinction between "themmuns" who wave UVF flags or "themmuns"who wave IRA flags -
You have the Rep of Ireland State flag ( which is also the National Flag of 40- 45% of the 6 Co population) i.e the Tricolour in one of your photos.
Are you saying that is an IRA flag?
Yet you have the now unofficial 6 Co flag flying as your avatar thingy - a flag used by an awful lot of Loyalist paramilitaries.
Hmmmmm........ ::)
I think it's more to do with the Garden of Remembrance, than the tricolour.
Could be wrong though.
I would imagine that that's what EG has in mind.
I had overlooked the fact that many on the island would regard the GofR as a communal memorial site for terrorists of the Nationalist variety.
Then again, there are just as many people who would say the same about .the multitude of statues, cenotaphs etc. that are scattered across NI commemorating personnel that they would regard as enemies of their cause.
It's a never-ending process, isn't it?
I fear that it will take several more generations before people on this island will spend more time planning for the future than in brooding over the past.
Very much agree with Lar there in terms of the brooding in the past. I have no love for the Orange Order but I do know that there are moves in some areas to try to "normalise" the 12th "celebrations". Mrs BC is directly involved in it and I know that some are working hard to make it a less cold place for catholics, tonight will tell a big story.
Jackie McDonald former commander in the UDA came out yesterday and said he hates the 12th and it is one of the worst days in the year for him!!
He is getting lambasted from everywhere!!! lol!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2012, 11:34:28 AM
Saw it on twitter but it's from 2010 apparently. Sick nonetheless and it's what you come to expect from Loyalists.
In that case I withdraw my post about the handshake and NITB ;)
The Orange Order in Country Areas tends to be more cultural and religious than in urban areas where it is more about pissing on your neighbour's garden. Time to drop the KTP bands and try and make the whole twelth a proper cultural celebration, no need also for the rabble rousing speeches.
Quote from: theticklemister on July 11, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
Jackie McDonald former commander in the UDA came out yesterday and said he hates the 12th and it is one of the worst days in the year for him!!
He is getting lambasted from everywhere!!! lol!
Eamon Mallie said something about it on twitter. Said McDonald was getting lambasted on his (Mallies) facebook page.
Quote from: LeoMc on July 11, 2012, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on July 11, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
Jackie McDonald former commander in the UDA came out yesterday and said he hates the 12th and it is one of the worst days in the year for him!!
He is getting lambasted from everywhere!!! lol!
Eamon Mallie said something about it on twitter. Said McDonald was getting lambasted on his (Mallies) facebook page.
He got a right mouthful about it, on the comments section of the Belfast Telegraph yesterday.
Anyone got photos of this year's collection of July 12th bonfires?
Quote from: LeoMc on July 11, 2012, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on July 11, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
Jackie McDonald former commander in the UDA came out yesterday and said he hates the 12th and it is one of the worst days in the year for him!!
He is getting lambasted from everywhere!!! lol!
Eamon Mallie said something about it on twitter. Said McDonald was getting lambasted on his (Mallies) facebook page.
Eamon Mallie is a twat. I ejected him from Bedford House in Belfast once. I really enjoyed that. ;D
Love to be staying at the Days Inn right next to the Sandy Row bonfire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFUKxce5wU
Where do they get the pallets?
Stay safe tonight, folks.
I hope Diamond Dan Bootleg Billy gets a good night's rest tonight.
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That's near where i live. Very uneducated breed of Prods live on the Clandeboye road. (bar me of course) :)
Haha! Love seeing stuff like that! Redhands with 6 fingers etc :D And to be fair I did see written on a wall before 'Chuckie ar la' ;D ;D
Saw a few classic graffiti fails this week myself. In Lisburn a drug dealer has sprayed 'Crhis xxxxx pay your drug bill £600' and this wonderful rape of the english language 'Up a ra' in Derry.
Saw this on FB this morning, they're animals
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why do the BBC have to show the Twelfth live? surely all the Orangemen will be out with Diamond Dan and co celebrating Orangefest leaving who to watch it?
and as for some of the bonefires, what would you expect from a pig but a grunt
Sun shining and blue skies on the twelfth. Now, there's a first!!
What does the law say about incitement to genocide or ethnic cleansing i.e K.A.T ?
Sickening that.
As if it needed any more proving the OO have again shown that they are a backward, sectarian organisation today. Their decision to bus 2 OO lodges from the field to Ardoyne to meet the 4pm deadline set by the parades commission, only to get back on their buses and head back to the field where they had came from.
Not aware of their plans to make it home again later, but this act proves that they would rather march in front of Ardoyne residents rather than their own supporters.
Disgrace.
Kate rings Stephen Nolan. (http://audioboo.fm/boos/880492-caller-kate-says-she-doesn-t-mix-with-catholics-as-she-doesn-t-really-like-them)
Quote from: ziggysego on July 12, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
Kate rings Stephen Nolan. (http://gaaboard.com/boos/880492-caller-kate-says-she-doesn-t-mix-with-catholics-as-she-doesn-t-really-like-them)
Utter, utter scum.
Fair play to Nolan for showing her up for the bigot that she is.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on July 12, 2012, 05:04:49 PM
As if it needed any more proving the OO have again shown that they are a backward, sectarian organisation today. Their decision to bus 2 OO lodges from the field to Ardoyne to meet the 4pm deadline set by the parades commission, only to get back on their buses and head back to the field where they had came from.
Not aware of their plans to make it home again later, but this act proves that they would rather march in front of Ardoyne residents rather than their own supporters.
Disgrace.
Sure there was photos of (presumably) Nationalists yesterday with posters saying "see at 4 o clock, ha ha". I'd have made the effort myself after that!
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 12, 2012, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 12, 2012, 05:17:01 PM
Kate rings Stephen Nolan. (http://gaaboard.com/boos/880492-caller-kate-says-she-doesn-t-mix-with-catholics-as-she-doesn-t-really-like-them)
Utter, utter scum.
Fair play to Nolan for showing her up for the bigot that she is.
that's f**king gas.
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
but are you really all that surprised?
Idiots will be idiots
I don't know if anyone is familiar with Savoj Zizek. I don't fully subscribe to everything he says but his points on tolerance as we understand it today are quite pertinent. Tolerance whether it be in Northern Ireland or in the wider context of Europe and its tolerance of other ethnicities, it's really tolerance from a distance. I will tolerate you so long as I view you denuded of your identity.
QuoteThe retreat from more substantive visions of justice heralded by the promulgation of tolerance today is part of a more general depoliticization of citizenship and power and retreat from political life itself. The cultivation of tolerance as a political end implicitly constitutes a rejection of politics as a domain in which conflict can be productively articulated and addressed, a domain in which citizens can be transformed by their participation.
http://www.lacan.com/zizek-inquiry.html
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
That is truly depressing to watch. I'm talking about the first minute and a half - the fact that people capable of that are capable of the last half minute is not surprising.
They call this culture? The hoors can't even play the "music" in tune.
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
I don't know if anyone is familiar with Savoj Zizek. I don't fully subscribe to everything he says but his points on tolerance as we understand it today are quite pertinent. Tolerance whether it be in Northern Ireland or in the wider context of Europe and its tolerance of other ethnicities, it's really tolerance from a distance. I will tolerate you so long as I view you denuded of your identity.
QuoteThe retreat from more substantive visions of justice heralded by the promulgation of tolerance today is part of a more general depoliticization of citizenship and power and retreat from political life itself. The cultivation of tolerance as a political end implicitly constitutes a rejection of politics as a domain in which conflict can be productively articulated and addressed, a domain in which citizens can be transformed by their participation.
http://www.lacan.com/zizek-inquiry.html
That's a good point.
This is an interesting article on Zizek.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jul/12/violent-visions-slavoj-zizek/
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
I don't know if anyone is familiar with Savoj Zizek. I don't fully subscribe to everything he says but his points on tolerance as we understand it today are quite pertinent. Tolerance whether it be in Northern Ireland or in the wider context of Europe and its tolerance of other ethnicities, it's really tolerance from a distance. I will tolerate you so long as I view you denuded of your identity.
QuoteThe retreat from more substantive visions of justice heralded by the promulgation of tolerance today is part of a more general depoliticization of citizenship and power and retreat from political life itself. The cultivation of tolerance as a political end implicitly constitutes a rejection of politics as a domain in which conflict can be productively articulated and addressed, a domain in which citizens can be transformed by their participation.
http://www.lacan.com/zizek-inquiry.html
Maybe you could get Savoj Zizek to explain that to the lads with the "dump would" sign and sure they could explain it to the rest of us in plain English.
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on July 12, 2012, 05:04:49 PM
As if it needed any more proving the OO have again shown that they are a backward, sectarian organisation today. Their decision to bus 2 OO lodges from the field to Ardoyne to meet the 4pm deadline set by the parades commission, only to get back on their buses and head back to the field where they had came from.
Not aware of their plans to make it home again later, but this act proves that they would rather march in front of Ardoyne residents rather than their own supporters.
Disgrace.
Indeed, you have to wonder whether the stretch of road they were bussed on wasn't their traditional route and important enough to walk on. Shows it up as the farce it is.
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
This video is doing the rounds everywhere - the more people that see it, the better.
Funnily enough if they marched around in a continuous circle in their own area outside their own churches there wouldn't be a spot of trouble anywhere.
QuoteI hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Culture my arse - WTF have the Beachboys gotta do with King billy's bigots?
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
I love this sort of shit, not a leg to be stood on
Quote from: Declan on July 13, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
QuoteI hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Culture my arse - WTF have the Beachboys gotta do with King billy's bigots?
QuoteAt one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.
The famine song is played to the music of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B, but replaces the chorus "I feel so broke up, I wanna go home" with "The famine is over, why don't you go home?".
QuoteAt one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.
The famine song is played to the music of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B, but replaces the chorus "I feel so broke up, I wanna go home" with "The famine is over, why don't you go home?".
Ah such wit.
Quote from: Declan on July 13, 2012, 01:25:47 PM
QuoteAt one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.
The famine song is played to the music of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B, but replaces the chorus "I feel so broke up, I wanna go home" with "The famine is over, why don't you go home?".
Ah such wit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_song)
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Didn't make the 1.30 news though.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Declan on July 13, 2012, 01:25:47 PM
QuoteAt one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.
The famine song is played to the music of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B, but replaces the chorus "I feel so broke up, I wanna go home" with "The famine is over, why don't you go home?".
Ah such wit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_song)
Isn't this the song that 'sir' david Healy was alleged to have referred to in a tv interview?
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Yeah, he was identified as a Taig when he got up off his all fours to walk on two legs.
O'Neill and O'Donnell have some amount of things to answer for if they ever come back
Had the misfortune of witnessing the main parade in Belfast as it made the return journey along the Lisburn Rd yesterday.
I find it hard to believe the way BBC are able to broadcast a programme every year on the twelfth, harping on about how it's a great family-orientated day out and a 'hidden gem' tourist attraction. Utter nonsense.
All I saw was thousands of spides wearing Rangers tops, Linfield tops, draped in Ulster Banner/UVF/Union Flags; drinking on the street, urinating and vomiting.
An anti-Catholic sentiment seemed to be the underlying theme for the day.
Well they are loyal to a State where a Catholic is forbidden by law to be Head of State.....
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 13, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
Had the misfortune of witnessing the main parade in Belfast as it made the return journey along the Lisburn Rd yesterday.
I find it hard to believe the way BBC are able to broadcast a programme every year on the twelfth, harping on about how it's a great family-orientated day out and a 'hidden gem' tourist attraction. Utter nonsense.
All I saw was thousands of spides wearing Rangers tops, Linfield tops, draped in Ulster Banner/UVF/Union Flags; drinking on the street, urinating and vomiting.
An anti-Catholic sentiment seemed to be the underlying theme for the day.
Maybe time for the like of MacIntyre to do one of his cutting edge behind the scene documentaries.
It is galling that the BBC portray it like that but bear in mind they portray anything to do with the royals in England as nothing more than top to bottom support when the majority couldn't give a shite. Orange culture in the towns and cities at least is dragged down by their tatoo bearing, lager swilling, paramilitary drug criminal supporting majority.
Are paramilitary flags not a no no?
Some good footage of Donegall street. The slant the BBC put on it is shocking but hardly surprising unfortunately.
Quote from: haveaharp on July 13, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on July 13, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
Had the misfortune of witnessing the main parade in Belfast as it made the return journey along the Lisburn Rd yesterday.
I find it hard to believe the way BBC are able to broadcast a programme every year on the twelfth, harping on about how it's a great family-orientated day out and a 'hidden gem' tourist attraction. Utter nonsense.
All I saw was thousands of spides wearing Rangers Celtic tops, Linfield tops, draped in Ulster Banner/UVF/Union Flags; drinking on the street, urinating and vomiting.
An anti-Catholic sentiment seemed to be the underlying theme for the day.
Maybe time for the like of MacIntyre to do one of his cutting edge behind the scene documentaries.
It is galling that the BBC portray it like that but bear in mind they portray anything to do with the royals in England as nothing more than top to bottom support when the majority couldn't give a shite. Orange culture in the towns and cities at least is dragged down by their tatoo bearing, lager swilling, paramilitary drug criminal supporting majority.
Sounds like Paddies day in dublin
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Didn't make the 1.30 news though.
Did it make any tv news? That is what I meant. Fat boy Nolan should have it on Monday.
The more of this the better and after this I would expect plenty of mobile phone footage.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Didn't make the 1.30 news though.
Did it make any tv news? That is what I meant. Fat boy Nolan should have it on Monday.
The more of this the better and after this I would expect plenty of mobile phone footage.
BBC Newsline.
Plenty of shite talked by the dinosaurs in the OO about respecting their traditions, religion and culture. That footage shows that respect is a one-way street.
Quote from: The Worker on July 13, 2012, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Declan on July 13, 2012, 01:25:47 PM
QuoteAt one point the band was playing the music of "the famine song", an anti-Catholic song which originated in Glasgow.
The famine song is played to the music of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B, but replaces the chorus "I feel so broke up, I wanna go home" with "The famine is over, why don't you go home?".
Ah such wit.
thats the shite aiden McGeady had to put up with every time he touched the ball when playing rangers and a good few other spl teams as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_song)
Isn't this the song that 'sir' david Healy was alleged to have referred to in a tv interview?
Fair play to the policeman who got stuck in with his truncheon to beat off the baying mob, to protect the camera guy.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Didn't make the 1.30 news though.
Did it make any tv news? That is what I meant. Fat boy Nolan should have it on Monday.
The more of this the better and after this I would expect plenty of mobile phone footage.
BBC Newsline.
Plenty of shite talked by the dinosaurs in the OO about respecting their traditions, religion and culture. That footage shows that respect is a one-way street.
Just seen it get a fair bit of coverage on BBC newsline. Great to highlight these c***ts for what they are. Brainless, drunken bottom feeding scum. Delighted.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Didn't make the 1.30 news though.
Did it make any tv news? That is what I meant. Fat boy Nolan should have it on Monday.
The more of this the better and after this I would expect plenty of mobile phone footage.
BBC Newsline.
Plenty of shite talked by the dinosaurs in the OO about respecting their traditions, religion and culture. That footage shows that respect is a one-way street.
Just seen it get a fair bit of coverage on BBC newsline. Great to highlight these c***ts for what they are. Brainless, drunken bottom feeding scum. Delighted.
+1 sir, +1.
Nice civil parade in Glenavy. Nothing stirs my juices more than the bate of a big drum and the flute.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 13, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
Didn't make the 1.30 news though.
Did it make any tv news? That is what I meant. Fat boy Nolan should have it on Monday.
The more of this the better and after this I would expect plenty of mobile phone footage.
BBC Newsline.
Plenty of shite talked by the dinosaurs in the OO about respecting their traditions, religion and culture. That footage shows that respect is a one-way street.
Just seen it get a fair bit of coverage on BBC newsline. Great to highlight these c***ts for what they are. Brainless, drunken bottom feeding scum. Delighted.
Clints?
Clifts.
A fella who shared a cell with a boy from Tyrone told me the Ardboe lad got a houl of the crossword and filled in 'clift' for the clue: A silly person (5).
c***ts
Tried again. It adds in an extra star! :D
c**ts
Works ok for me. Try it again.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2012, 04:05:12 PM
Well they are loyal to a State where a Catholic is forbidden by law to be Head of State.....
Wonder when there will be a Prod head of The Vatican State. ;)
....Or a catholic/Muslim / Jewish head of the orange order or head of the Presbyterian church....
Don't be daft...
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 14, 2012, 02:43:18 AM
....Or a catholic/Muslim / Jewish head of the orange order or head of the Presbyterian church....
Don't be daft...
Was a bit tongue in cheek, but the Vatican City is also a country. :)
Quote from: dillinger on July 14, 2012, 05:07:47 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 14, 2012, 02:43:18 AM
....Or a catholic/Muslim / Jewish head of the orange order or head of the Presbyterian church....
Don't be daft...
Was a bit tongue in cheek, but the Vatican City is also a country. :)
...where the age of consent is about 14 by all accounts.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2012, 11:11:10 PM
A fella who shared a cell with a boy from Tyrone told me the Ardboe lad got a houl of the crossword and filled in 'clift' for the clue: A silly person (5).
Haha excellent!
I was watchin the report of that story of the Loyalist band outside St Patricks Church and my reaction was to laugh. As a republican I didnt find it offensive, not least because I am not religous but because these actions spoke a thousand words about Unionism/Loyalism. I truly feel sorry for those of the orange persuasion if that action is representative of their outlook on how to celebrate their 'culture'.
Yes, "culture" indeed.
Meanwhile the Poles are not pleased to be involved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3G4peOMEN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1yUR_5fxeg
Nelson's response: http://theministerspen.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/jj-magee-and-ycv.html?m=1
Quote from: ziggysego on July 15, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
Nelson's response: http://theministerspen.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/jj-magee-and-ycv.html?m=1
Purely coincidental. Good man Nelson.
Christ Almighty! That is even more horrific than the act itself. This f****r is a legislator!
Quote from: Hardy on July 15, 2012, 12:35:46 AM
Christ Almighty! That is even more horrific than the act itself. This f****r is a legislator!
We expect nothing else up here.
Innocent young band were minding their own business when they were cruelly set upon by a Sinn Fein/IRA propagandist with a video-camera etc. etc.
I liked his word 'sperhaps'. It's a northern word.
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2012, 01:29:30 AM
I liked his word 'sperhaps'. It's a northern word.
Ulster-Scot maybe.
That's very curious. So they had stopped to 'entertain' the crowds. I didn't see much of an audience other than the man with a camera. And they attacked him. Why doesn't nelson mention that?
Doesn't the fact that they tried to stop him filming suggest a feeling of guilt on behalf of the loyalists. They got caught doing something they shouldn't. Or perhaps as nelson might suggest they were worried they'd have have to pay royalties to the beach boys. The poor bands are cash strapped as it is.
Or maybe there was a wasp on the camera man's shoulder and he wouldn't hold still while they tried to kill it with a big stick. Any other ludicrous explanations Nelson.
Some new tunes for these bands to learn to play.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=QTTx0GbF4RQ
http://m.youtube.com/#/results?q=neighbours%20theme%20tune&search_type=&uploaded=
But of course whats use is marching and being in a band if it didn't piss someone off.
Good old Nelson - the voice of reason in a mad, mad world.
Nelson hasn't changed, he was always a bigot apologising and excusing loyalist's behavior whilst ranting on about Sinn Fein/IRA. He is part of the old gaurd in the DUP which Peter hasn't quite got the balls to ditch. His Take on housing and the housing executive should make SF worry. As for this band even if they could not avoid but stop where they did they could not have been unaware of what they were playing. Bullshit McCausland.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 15, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
His Take on housing and the housing executive should make SF worry.
Given the Girdwood situation, i'm not sure they'd be that bothered.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 15, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
Nelson hasn't changed, he was always a bigot apologising and excusing loyalist's behavior whilst ranting on about Sinn Fein/IRA. He is part of the old gaurd in the DUP which Peter hasn't quite got the balls to ditch. His Take on housing and the housing executive should make SF worry. As for this band even if they could not avoid but stop where they did they could not have been unaware of what they were playing. Bullshit McCausland.
Peter needs boys like Nelson. They're very important to the party.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 15, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
He is part of the old gaurd in the DUP which Peter hasn't quite got the balls to ditch.
Unfortunately he's a vote winner in North Belfast, and that's what talks.
Quote from: Agent Orange on July 13, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 13, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: barelegs on July 13, 2012, 01:48:13 AM
I hope this video is accessible.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756
This fella is videoing a loyalist band stopping to play songs outside a Catholic Church before he's attacked by supporters of the band.
There's more culture in a yoghurt than most of these clowns
Would love to see this make the main stream news but won't hold my breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18829447
This is not news. They've been doing the same thing outside St Matthews on the bottom of the Newtownards Road every year. I'd like to hear someone deny that.
This was posted on Nolan site after Jackie McDonald suggested that the Orange abandon the return parades. Gives an indication as the the intelligence level we're dealing with here:
Have ya ever heard such crap from this balloon who profess's to be a loyalist . Makes me almost ashamed to associatte him with loyalism !!! It may have escaped his attention but to come out with such retric in regards to a one way parade would have his fore fathers revolving in their graves , cant he see that to move in that direction would be yet another notch for the handful of so called nationalist groups who GO OUT OF THEIR WAY 15 minutes a year to be offended !!! ... Perhaps Jackie Mc Duh should stick to the hotel business instead of comming out with such tripe !!!
Blackneck 10 days ago
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 15, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
Nelson hasn't changed, he was always a bigot apologising and excusing loyalist's behavior whilst ranting on about Sinn Fein/IRA. He is part of the old gaurd in the DUP which Peter hasn't quite got the balls to ditch. His Take on housing and the housing executive should make SF worry. As for this band even if they could not avoid but stop where they did they could not have been unaware of what they were playing. Bullshit McCausland.
He only joined the DUP in 2001
I see the BBC and the alliance party etc are taking issue with bonfires after spotting TWO bonfires with Polish flags on them. They rightly said it is incitement to hatred/sectarian/racist. No mention from them about the hundreds of Irish flags on just about every bonfire though. That must be an acceptable form of cultural expression.
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 19, 2012, 09:49:24 PM
I see the BBC and the alliance party etc are taking issue with bonfires after spotting TWO bonfires with Polish flags on them. They rightly said it is incitement to hatred/sectarian/racist. No mention from them about the hundreds of Irish flags on just about every bonfire though. That must be an acceptable form of cultural expression.
The same thought occurred to me - Robinson condemning Polish flags on bonfires, but no mention of Irish tricolours.
How can the OO seriously expect to be welcomed in the streets of Dublin when not one single member can stand up and say that it's wrong to burn another countries flag on a bonfire esp. the flag of the very country they want to organise a march through it's capital.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on July 19, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 15, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
Nelson hasn't changed, he was always a bigot apologising and excusing loyalist's behavior whilst ranting on about Sinn Fein/IRA. He is part of the old gaurd in the DUP which Peter hasn't quite got the balls to ditch. His Take on housing and the housing executive should make SF worry. As for this band even if they could not avoid but stop where they did they could not have been unaware of what they were playing. Bullshit McCausland.
He only joined the DUP in 2001
Perhaps old guard should have read backwoodsmen.
They burn the polish flag because the polish are coming over here and stealing all their jobs! I wonder if those climbing up to place the flag on the bonfire have ever been in gainful employment? Its quite ironic that this attitude is often most prevelent amongst those who think manual labour is a spanish singer.
No outcry about them burning our National Flag.
I really want to just laugh at the sad c***ts, but my sheer anger gets in the way first. I f**king hate them.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 21, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
No outcry about them burning our National Flag.
Sure that's just their culture. Nothing to see here move along now.
Quote from: thejuice on July 23, 2012, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 21, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
No outcry about them burning our National Flag.
Sure that's just their culture. Nothing to see here move along now.
Correct, it's all part of the family and tourist friendly, carnival atmosphere of the 12th.
Was on an easyjet flight last week and was looking through their magazine which list all the cities they fly to and what tourist attractions are on. I laughed when they had the 12th parades as an attraction for Belfast city. Its bull shit that the OO are trying to play this off as a tourist event when its a hatred fuelled sectarian march.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 23, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Was on an easyjet flight last week and was looking through their magazine which list all the cities they fly to and what tourist attractions are on. I laughed when they had the 12th parades as an attraction for Belfast city. Its bull shit that the OO are trying to play this off as a tourist event when its a hatred fuelled sectarian march.
It's no more a f**king tourist attraction. The only tourists they get are low-life Scottish loyalists from Glasgow!
Quote from: Hereiam on July 23, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Was on an easyjet flight last week and was looking through their magazine which list all the cities they fly to and what tourist attractions are on. I laughed when they had the 12th parades as an attraction for Belfast city. Its bull shit that the OO are trying to play this off as a tourist event when its a hatred fuelled sectarian march.
Presumably the OO get grants if they try and sell the 12th as a tourist attraction?
I seen that Donegal 'bretheren' were marching with them in Belfast. Wonder what they think of the burning of their national flag. and the same with Dublin orangemen, since the OO wanted to march in the capital.
Nice to see the G8 tidy up of Enniskillen seems to include some nice new Orange Order flags in the Gaol Square.
G8 provides a great opportunity to showcase the Orange Order Fermanagh to the world.
Quote from: AQMP on June 14, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
Nice to see the G8 tidy up of Enniskillen seems to include some nice new Orange Order flags in the Gaol Square.
G8 provides a great opportunity to showcase the Orange Order Fermanagh to the world.
How on earth did that happen? I thought the whole place was locked down. If they go as far as checking man-hole covers (oh er missus) then why did they let a couple of low-brow knuckle draggers climb up a pole and fix flag to it?
Quote from: Orior on June 14, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 14, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
Nice to see the G8 tidy up of Enniskillen seems to include some nice new Orange Order flags in the Gaol Square.
G8 provides a great opportunity to showcase the Orange Order Fermanagh to the world.
How on earth did that happen? I thought the whole place was locked down. If they go as far as checking man-hole covers (oh er missus) then why did they let a couple of low-brow knuckle draggers climb up a pole and fix flag to it?
How long have you lived in the North, Orior?? ;)
The Gaol Square (which is the main entry route to Enniskillen from the east, where the FE College and Dunnes are) has been bedecked in Union Jacks and Ulster flags for months. The Council voted to have them removed but neither Council staff, nor the PSNI nor The Roads Service seem willing and/or able to remove them (for fear of upsetting a few of the locals??). The Tricolours put up in Cornagrade for Easter were recently taken down (not sure if it was locals or the authorities), though I suspect they might be back up!
Quote from: AQMP on June 14, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
Nice to see the G8 tidy up of Enniskillen seems to include some nice new Orange Order flags in the Gaol Square.
G8 provides a great opportunity to showcase the Orange Order Fermanagh to the world.
Did they piss on them for good measure?
OWC showing their true colours again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659)
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
OWC showing their true colours again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659)
Just read this in the Irish News. I had to laugh at the word "oppressed". Yes, because they know what it's like to be oppressed.
Its ar kulture so it is!!!
Quote from: BennyCake on September 04, 2013, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
OWC showing their true colours again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659)
Just read this in the Irish News. I had to laugh at the word "oppressed". Yes, because they know what it's like to be oppressed.
Who's oppressing them?
Is it the dole office?
I dont know which is worse - thinking it would be a good move to replace George Best with a UVF gunman - or using a Martin Luther King quote in the mural. MLK will be spinning
Quote from: johnneycool on September 04, 2013, 04:41:47 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 04, 2013, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
OWC showing their true colours again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659)
Just read this in the Irish News. I had to laugh at the word "oppressed". Yes, because they know what it's like to be oppressed.
Who's oppressing them?
Is it the dole office?
Yep. The DoleOfficeIRA. And SF IRA.
And the PSNIRA
And BBCIRA
And UTVIRA
And the Parades CommissionIRA
And the Director of Public ProsecutionsIRA
And the DUPIRA
And the UUPIRA
EtcIRA
Actually, No Soloing, an MLK quote seems appropriate.
First, you have Martin Luther and then King (God and Country). Of course, they could have picked George Orwell: "All animals are equal, but Somme animals are more equal than others, so they are."
And isn't painting over George Best some class of sacrilege?
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 04, 2013, 07:13:08 PM
Actually, No Soloing, an MLK quote seems appropriate.
First, you have Martin Luther and then King (God and Country). Of course, they could have picked George Orwell: "All animals are equal, but Somme animals are more equal than others, so they are."
And isn't painting over George Best some class of sacrilege?
Maybe they are getting Martin Luther and Martin Luther King mixed up - or think that they are one and the same person - and think that they used a quote from the Reformation.
Quote from: No Soloing on September 04, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 04, 2013, 07:13:08 PM
Actually, No Soloing, an MLK quote seems appropriate.
First, you have Martin Luther and then King (God and Country). Of course, they could have picked George Orwell: "All animals are equal, but Somme animals are more equal than others, so they are."
And isn't painting over George Best some class of sacrilege?
Maybe they are getting Martin Luther and Martin Luther King mixed up - or think that they are one and the same person - and think that they used a quote from the Reformation.
I'm just shocked they have all the words spelt correctly
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
OWC showing their true colours again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659)
BY OWC do you mean the NI football team and its supporters?
Quote from: michaelg on September 04, 2013, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
OWC showing their true colours again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23958659)
BY OWC do you mean the NI football team and its supporters?
The supporters.
All the talk of george Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, painting over the mural, dont see anyone from the area or unionist politicians standing up and saying its a mistake to paint over this with another loyalist mural, no better an advert for the sydenham area been full of low life scum than the locals going back to what they know best between murals , flags, marches, oh this is the life!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of geogre Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, no better an advert for sydenham area been full of low life scum
What a ridiculous post.
Just as we had "nationalist" spides aping the Orangement with their marches and bonfires, now we have the other side aping the Republicans with an even more ridiculous mopery.
I'm sure a lot of people in East Belfast would prefer George Best, but you can't exactly go along to these painters and suggest they discuss it.
Quote from: michaelg on September 04, 2013, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of geogre Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, no better an advert for sydenham area been full of low life scum
What a ridiculous post.
Please explain why.
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: michaelg on September 04, 2013, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of geogre Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, no better an advert for sydenham area been full of low life scum
What a ridiculous post.
Please explain why.
It is the UVF / UDA who put up the murals. Do you think they hold some sort of local vote ffs? As for your own comment about NI football fans, do you really think that they all condone violence / support loyalist paramilitaries?
Do you think the UDA/UVF are drafted in!!! FFS they are locals!
Quote from: michaelg on September 05, 2013, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 04, 2013, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: michaelg on September 04, 2013, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of geogre Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, no better an advert for sydenham area been full of low life scum
What a ridiculous post.
Please explain why.
It is the UVF / UDA who put up the murals. Do you think they hold some sort of local vote ffs? As for your own comment about NI football fans, do you really think that they all condone violence / support loyalist paramilitaries?
Either you are a fool or you take other posters on here as fools..
QuoteEither you are a fool or you take other posters on here as fools..
What does this mean? Do you think they hold a vote on this mural?
Quote from: armaghniac on September 05, 2013, 11:11:09 AM
QuoteEither you are a fool or you take other posters on here as fools..
What does this mean? Do you think they hold a vote on this mural?
I take it he is insinuating that the UVF/UDA come into the area and tr**p all over the locals and put these up against their will. As has been said they are the locals and I'm sure have a very strong support. To think otherwise would be foolish.
QuoteI take it he is insinuating that the UVF/UDA come into the area and tr**p all over the locals and put these up against their will. As has been said they are the locals and I'm sure have a very strong support. To think otherwise would be foolish.
Because those involved are locals does not necessarily mean that they have a majority of local support for replacing the Best mural with this one.
If there was mural of the Tyrone AI winners in Carrickmore or a mural of the Crossmaglen Rangers AI team, even strongly nationalist people in those places might not want the mural replaced with political one.
Quote from: No Soloing on September 04, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 04, 2013, 07:13:08 PM
Actually, No Soloing, an MLK quote seems appropriate.
First, you have Martin Luther and then King (God and Country). Of course, they could have picked George Orwell: "All animals are equal, but Somme animals are more equal than others, so they are."
And isn't painting over George Best some class of sacrilege?
Maybe they are getting Martin Luther and Martin Luther King mixed up - or think that they are one and the same person - and think that they used a quote from the Reformation.
Wait until they find out that MLK was African American!!!
The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.
... and bonfires. You couldn't make this shithole up >:(
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.
They got a grant for the George Best mural not the paramilitary one.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 05, 2013, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.
They got a grant for the George Best mural not the paramilitary one.
But I'm sure there'll be another grant available to cover over the paramilitary one...
Quote from: cornerback on September 06, 2013, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 05, 2013, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2013, 01:14:08 PM
The unbelievable thing about this, is they actually get grants for these murals.
They got a grant for the George Best mural not the paramilitary one.
But I'm sure there'll be another grant available to cover over the paramilitary one...
Aye, but it won't be the wee boy with the paint brush who will get the money, that will go to UVF b**tards like that gobshite Wilson
Leading Republican Sean Murray on what he calls 'a cycle of coat trailing'
BY SEAN MURRAY – SEPTEMBER 7, 2013
POSTED IN: OPINION
Royal Black Preceptory parade passing St Patricks Church on Donegall street.
Black Saturday, the last Saturday in August usually heralds the end of the parading season. However, given the nightly 'protest' parades at the Ardoyne interface no end appears in sight this year, as tensions build in this volatile area.
The main Black demonstration for Belfast this year was in the town of Newtownards, a Unionist stronghold in North Down. The Royal Black Perceptory chapters, members and supporters can gather there and enjoy their day, free from either tension or contention.
Given such a scenario, as we enjoy the last of our summer weekends, one could question the rationale, if one exists, which requires local chapters to insist on walking through or close to volatile interface areas in North and East Belfast, in both outward and return feeder parades to this demonstration.
Chapter No.4 of the R.P.B., who gather in Templemore Avenue, in East Belfast, insist on parading in the opposite direction away from the main demonstration, past St. Matthew's Church and the Nationalist Short Strand area to Station Street. Here they board a bus which drives directly to Newtownards, passing St. Matthews Church once more. The same ritual is played out at the return parade.
Then we have Greencastle R.B.P. 336 taking the scenic route. Their parade starts at Greencastle Orange Hall, situated in the mainly Nationalist Whitewell area. It then proceeds to Shore Crescent, where they board a bus to take them to the College of Art in York Street in the centre of Belfast. Here they disembark and parade up Donegall Street, past St. Patrick's Church, to the Lower Crumlin Road. Along with other local chapters, they then parade back down Clifton Street, past Nationalist Carrick Hill area, on past St. Patrick's Church once more towards Albert Square in the city centre where they board a bus which takes them directly to Newtownards. If ever a definition of sectarian coat-trailing was required, look no further!
This illustration of cultural expression, necessitates a massive and costly policing operation, while directly heightening community tensions to almost breaking point. Not content with parading such routes, the chapters 'contract' some of the most controversial bands with strong Loyalist paramilitary links to accompany them. Their behaviour is unacceptably provocative and blatantly sectarian. They exhibit obvious pleasure in continuing to breach Parade Commission determinations, apparently with impunity.
For the return parade, despite being notified by the PSNI that Mass was being held in St. Patrick's Church, they insisted on parading past, with the bands playing at full volume, making the priests words inaudible.
These are the actions of an organisation which in its mission statement clearly commits to "regular Christian worship and all aspects of charitable living" and to "enhance greater and higher standards of Justice, Truth, Honesty and Integrity in both private and public life".
Somehow I doubt if their feeder parades on Black Saturday reflect the noble sentiments outlined in their mission statement.
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About Sean Murray
Is this the same Sean Murray, alleged member of the IRA army council?
The Greencastle Lodge starts from , well Greencastle where their Orange Hall is.
Quote from: dillinger on September 07, 2013, 11:15:08 PM
Is this the same Sean Murray, alleged member of the IRA army council?
The Greencastle Lodge starts from , well Greencastle where their Orange Hall is.
There is no army council and hasn't been for many years.
I haven't read all 21 pages of the thread so forgive me if somebody has already made the same point. First of all in terms of a conflict of interest not surprisingly for this site I am a Nationalist and a Nordie of a certain age so hardly an unbiased spectator
Unionism like nationalism is a wide spectrum of views and opinions. loyalist paramilitaries are embedded within certain communities in the north.they are part and parcel of day today life. They don't want to understand the changes that have occurred and don't understand that the fact that there "Fenian" neighbours are no longer on their knees and they are no longer superior just because they belong to the "majority" community. The discovery of new weapons in East Belfast, reintroduction of paramilitary murals and issues around "Flegs" and parades should tell us that the small nub of unconstructed bigots still exists
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of george Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, painting over the mural, dont see anyone from the area or unionist politicians standing up and saying its a mistake to paint over this with another loyalist mural, no better an advert for the sydenham area been full of low life scum than the locals going back to what they know best between murals , flags, marches, oh this is the life!
Local opposition to the new UVF mural issue looks like said mural will now not materialise. So much for the "low life scum of Sydenham".
Members of the PUP openly expressed their opposition to the UVF mural replacing the Best one, so the previous assertion that the majority in that particular community support it is misplaced.
The U-turn is more to do with the embarrassment caused by the media furore and the completely bowel-loosening laughable suggestion that loyalists are 'oppressed'. The only people oppressing them are the scum of the UVF
Quote from: red hander on September 13, 2013, 11:40:46 PM
The U-turn is more to do with the embarrassment caused by the media furore and the completely bowel-loosening laughable suggestion that loyalists are 'oppressed'. The only people oppressing them are the scum of the UVF
Precisely, which is why previous attacks on the local people of the area were wrong given that they had f**k all say in the proposed new mural.
Quote from: michaelg on September 13, 2013, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of george Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, painting over the mural, dont see anyone from the area or unionist politicians standing up and saying its a mistake to paint over this with another loyalist mural, no better an advert for the sydenham area been full of low life scum than the locals going back to what they know best between murals , flags, marches, oh this is the life!
Local opposition to the new UVF mural issue looks like said mural will now not materialise. So much for the "low life scum of Sydenham".
Lets see what it is replaced with. Maybe not a UVF gunman - but I'll be surprised if something as unobjectionable as George Best gets put up - maybe the MLK quote without the gunman??
They may as well just paint a big begging letter or grant form on the gable walls in loyalist areas as that is all the cnuts are interested in.
Quote from: No Soloing on September 14, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: michaelg on September 13, 2013, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of george Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, painting over the mural, dont see anyone from the area or unionist politicians standing up and saying its a mistake to paint over this with another loyalist mural, no better an advert for the sydenham area been full of low life scum than the locals going back to what they know best between murals , flags, marches, oh this is the life!
Local opposition to the new UVF mural issue looks like said mural will now not materialise. So much for the "low life scum of Sydenham".
Lets see what it is replaced with. Maybe not a UVF gunman - but I'll be surprised if something as unobjectionable as George Best gets put up - maybe the MLK quote without the gunman??
Compromise sorted ;)
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Quote from: No Soloing on September 14, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: michaelg on September 13, 2013, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 04, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
All the talk of george Best been a hero in east belfast, his wanting of 1 ireland team always did rub the locals up the wrong way, East belfast must see the uvf as more heroes than best, painting over the mural, dont see anyone from the area or unionist politicians standing up and saying its a mistake to paint over this with another loyalist mural, no better an advert for the sydenham area been full of low life scum than the locals going back to what they know best between murals , flags, marches, oh this is the life!
Local opposition to the new UVF mural issue looks like said mural will now not materialise. So much for the "low life scum of Sydenham".
Lets see what it is replaced with. Maybe not a UVF gunman - but I'll be surprised if something as unobjectionable as George Best gets put up - maybe the MLK quote without the gunman??
The mural has been finished, and is indeed a UVF mural.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70054000/jpg/_70054471_dsc05088.jpg)
A new paramilitary mural that had been stalled after a public outcry in east Belfast has now been completed, despite objections from public representatives.
The image, that depicts a masked gunman, replaced a mural of the Belfast-born footballer George Best.
It is dedicated to the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), which murdered more than 500 people during the Troubles.
Earlier this month it was believed work had stopped due to the objections, but the new mural has now been completed.
looks like the locals didnt object enough, on another note, getting 3000 people out for a protest against PUL culture doesnt say much with N.Ireland population in around 1.2million or more, so how can such a low minority be fucked having the say on running of marches and flags when the majority of sensible people dont want this harassment concurring on a weekly basis
They have the DUP by the goolies and can lead them anywhere they like. DUP councillors again marching with this illegal protest.
Another part of unionisms proud culture exposed. The culture of ensuring you don't sell ground to Catholics.
Long known to be the case (but yet under the radar of media glare).
Quote from: theskull1 on September 24, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
Another part of unionisms proud culture exposed. The culture of ensuring you don't sell ground to Catholics.
Long known to be the case (but yet under the radar of media glare).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24225248 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24225248)
Even by Robinson's standards this was pretty bizarre stuff :o
Quote from: theskull1 on September 24, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
Another part of unionisms proud culture exposed. The culture of ensuring you don't sell ground to Catholics.
Long known to be the case (but yet under the radar of media glare).
The land Ballygalget pitch currently resides on was once owned by a protestant farmer who sold it to the locals for the hurling pitch and was then duly booted out of the Orange order and ostracised for doing so. His one stipulation was that the tri-colour wouldn't fly over the pitch whilst him or his wife lived in the house overlooking the pitch and never did until she died some 20 odd years ago.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 24, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
Another part of unionisms proud culture exposed. The culture of ensuring you don't sell ground to Catholics.
Long known to be the case (but yet under the radar of media glare).
It's under the radar as the Stormont Executive decided to bail out the PMS for millions following the collapse of their many property deals that were bought solely to stop Catholics from buying.....
John McBlain of Spitting Politics was in the Belfast Telegraph today complaining that satirical website 'Loyalists against Democracy' had faked a clip showing him making some vile jokes about child abuse and murdering Catholics.
Loyalists against Democracy responded today by putting up a second video which was taken in a different location(at a 12th July field tent) doing the exact same routine. Only this time it clearly identifies yer man, and could in no way be a fake. Their facebook page while a wee bit crude at times, is actually really good, and really funny, and it is exposing countless people every day for the bigots that they are.
I thought that Willie Frazer was the nuttiest person about, but there are actually thousands out there who are just like him.
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Robinson would need to watch his mud slinging - i expect a few could hit him back with a few iris jokes and perhaps worse.
I've a funny feeling the half marathon went past that mural on sunday. Great advert for the city ::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 24, 2013, 08:23:19 PM
Robinson would need to watch his mud slinging - i expect a few could hit him back with a few iris jokes and perhaps worse.
I've a funny feeling the half marathon went past that mural on sunday. Great advert for the city ::)
Funny that no one on the unionist/loyalist side picked up on the implied bigotry of Robinson but were more concerned on the facts whether Allister was indeed a trustee or executor of the will or not rather than the concern over selling land to a catholic who was automatically labelled a republican by our Pete.
Don't expect this aspect of Peters dig to run in the media unless the family involved push hard for their apology.
The implied bigotry underlined in Peter's little jibe I can understand and we should all be well used to that nonsense by now (pig, grunt, etc).
I have never cared much for Jim Allister and his brand of politics but bringing in his wife, her family and their deceased brother was pretty pathetic by Peter Robinson. Nobody deserves to have that thrown at them; and then to be laughed at by the rest of the DUP cronies. They've no shame that lot.
Twelve years ago my parents had obstacle after obstacle put in front of them in trying to buy a house from a Prod farmer. It had to be passed at a local free masons meeting and they also had to pay 10 grand above the asking price even though there was no other bidders. In the end they got the house and are still there and their sons wore our GAA gear without realising how much we were probably getting at the locals.
QuoteI have never cared much for Jim Allister and his brand of politics but bringing in his wife, her family and their deceased brother was pretty pathetic by Peter Robinson. Nobody deserves to have that thrown at them; and then to be laughed at by the rest of the DUP cronies. They've no shame that lot.
One would imagine that Robinson, of all people, might have some respect for the idea of not involving famility members in politic dirt slinging.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 25, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
QuoteI have never cared much for Jim Allister and his brand of politics but bringing in his wife, her family and their deceased brother was pretty pathetic by Peter Robinson. Nobody deserves to have that thrown at them; and then to be laughed at by the rest of the DUP cronies. They've no shame that lot.
One would imagine that Robinson, of all people, might have some respect for the idea of not involving famility members in politic dirt slinging.
Yeah, the slight veneer of humility he got when faced with Iris and her skulduggery has well and truly disappeared and we're back to the old Peter.
These LAD guys are some craic ;D
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1409385862623365&set=vb.182531001927239&type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1409385862623365&set=vb.182531001927239&type=2&theater)
From the LAD site this morning. Brilliant. I don't know how to attach the Willie Frazer/Abu Hamza photo ;D
Wee Willie Frazer™ is up in court at half ten this morning. His only crime? Loyalty. And a crime under the Serious Crime Act. And possession of a prohibited weapon. And taking part in an unnotified public procession. And obstructing traffic. And two other charges.
The big question on everyone's lips is will Willie show up dressed ridiculously and make a huge media circus, or will he come dressed as Abu Hamza?
Sources say he has been spotted in Elliotts trying on a beard and a hook this morning. Stay tuned to LAD for updates as the situation progresses.
Wee Willie, the gift that keeps on giving!
https://twitter.com/c_kilpatrick1/status/383524368011108352
A report on the BBC today states that almost 50% of 11 July Bonfires had tricolours or other Nationalist paraphernalia burnt on them.
Now excuse my ignorance, and I am in no way an expert on this, but I thought that about 100% of loyalist bonfires would have tricolours on them. Is this not the reason for them in the first place?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 27, 2013, 11:09:48 AM
Wee Willie, the gift that keeps on giving!
https://twitter.com/c_kilpatrick1/status/383524368011108352
This should be on the WTF thread!
More Loyalist/Unionist Culture??
The Alliance Party offices in East Belfast have been hit by petrol bombs.
It happened at about 10.45pm last night night on the Upper Newtonards Road.
The building has been targeted a number of times since last year's Union Flag unrest.
Alliance Party MP Naomi Long has described the petrol bombing as an "attack on democracy".
No doubt the DUP/UUP/PUP etc have already condemned this deed ::)
The petrol probably came from somewhere that gets it's fuel from south Armagh, oh the irony!
Lone protester at the city hall today.
Hows about a new flageen lads and lassies ??
NI parties asked for views on new flag
on 03/12/2013 14:56:48
Political parties have been asked for their views on a new flag for Northern Ireland.
Former US diplomat Richard Haass asked the question of five Stormont parties in his role as chairman of talks on controversial parades, emblems and how to deal with the legacy of 30 years of violence.
Divisions between nationalists and unionists over banners were highlighted by loyalist rioting following a decision a year ago by Belfast City Council to restrict the number of days the Union flag flies from the City Hall.
A leading good-relations organisation has warned the time available to address flags issues was finite.
Dr Haass asked: "What might a process to design and validate a new Northern Ireland flag look like? What role might such a flag play in civic life?"
He also canvassed politicians for views on a code of conduct for flags and emblems displayed unofficially in public spaces. The American foreign policy expert's letter queried where they should be allowed and under what circumstances, as well as what enforcement measures might be included.
Northern Ireland has not had its own flag since 1972. A white and red Ulster Banner featuring a crown is used by some unionists and sporting organisations and was the flag of the government of Northern Ireland between 1953 and 1972 - before direct rule from Westminster was imposed.
The Community Relations Council (CRC), an independent organisation which promotes closer ties between rank and file nationalists and unionists, told Dr Haass a core element of any initiative would be leadership.
"This political and community leadership needs to bring forward a new vision to enable the important right of celebration of identity and culture to be assured, but which also protects others where such displays transcend beyond these rights and become an overt display of territory, intimidation, threat and power,"
In any other part of the world maybe, but the fact that Haas has even floated the idea shows how clueless/oblivious he is and that the talks will fail (or have already done so).
A makey-uppy flag for a makey-uppy state ::)
He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't! What hope has he got really and what would be deemed a success with this whole Haas thing?
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
A makey-uppy flag for a makey-uppy state ::)
In which you're going to be living for the forseeable future :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on December 03, 2013, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
A makey-uppy flag for a makey-uppy state ::)
In which you're going to be living for the forseeable future :-\
And to which I will continue to have no allegiance for it's duration.
My gut reaction is that this is a non-runner. But there is a drive for the creation of a "Northern Ireland" identity so he might be riding on those coat tails?
Quote from: screenexile on December 03, 2013, 04:21:52 PM
He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't! What hope has he got really and what would be deemed a success with this whole Haas thing?
It's not for him to come up with solutions. His role, the role of any mediator / facilitator, is simply to create the process through which the warring parties can come up with their own answers. If they can't do that, then the failure should be seen to be theirs, not some outsider who's just passing through.
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
It's like the Father Ted line " is there anything to be said for saying another mass".
Richard Haass " is there anything to be said for having another flag".
We have a winner
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Quote from: pbat on December 03, 2013, 07:25:13 PM
It's like the Father Ted line " is there anything to be said for saying another mass".
Richard Haass " is there anything to be said for having another flag".
lol
shows how out of touch haass is to come out with something like this with all the current crap about flags already, combine that with no criminal prosecution for gunmen from years ago,a few silly statements from people outside northern ireland, its as if they dont know how die hard some of the people of this country are, they rather have nothing, lie on the dole, with no prospects for themselves or children, and have there wee marches and flags, and not worry about living in the real world like most, worried more about house prices, mortgages, childs education, work opportunities , future pension etc
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
Surely there's 3 if you include the NI flag / Ulster banner / call it what you will. A flag acceptable to all to replace the NI flag / Ulster banner might be something to consider. Given that a significant % of Catholics now have some sort of Northern Irish identity (If the last census is to be believed), I think a new flag is worth considering at least.
Quote from: michaelg on December 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
Surely there's 3 if you include the NI flag / Ulster banner / call it what you will. A flag acceptable to all to replace the NI flag / Ulster banner might be something to consider. Given that a significant % of Catholics now have some sort of Northern Irish identity (If the last census is to be believed), I think a new flag is worth considering at least.
Why cause more hassle by introducing another flag. I for one will not be dropping my allegiance to the tricolour ever. The ulster flag Michael is different from ni flag as it covers Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan- I'm sure you know that.
This new NI identity will not fly.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 03, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
Surely there's 3 if you include the NI flag / Ulster banner / call it what you will. A flag acceptable to all to replace the NI flag / Ulster banner might be something to consider. Given that a significant % of Catholics now have some sort of Northern Irish identity (If the last census is to be believed), I think a new flag is worth considering at least.
Why cause more hassle by introducing another flag. I for one will not be dropping my allegiance to the tricolour ever. The ulster flag Michael is different from ni flag as it covers Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan- I'm sure you know that.
This new NI identity will not fly.
Maybe it's our shared Ulster identity we should be focusing on, rather than the 'Northern Irish' identity, which is always going to be contentious.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 03, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
Surely there's 3 if you include the NI flag / Ulster banner / call it what you will. A flag acceptable to all to replace the NI flag / Ulster banner might be something to consider. Given that a significant % of Catholics now have some sort of Northern Irish identity (If the last census is to be believed), I think a new flag is worth considering at least.
Why cause more hassle by introducing another flag. I for one will not be dropping my allegiance to the tricolour ever. The ulster flag Michael is different from ni flag as it covers Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan- I'm sure you know that.
This new NI identity will not fly.
Fully aware of difference between 6 and 9 county flags, as I'm pretty sure you gathered from my post. As for your closing sentence, although it clearly does not appeal to you, the new NI identity does seem to be acceptable to a significant number of younger catholics in Northern Ireland. Therefore, why not introduce a new NI flag acceptable to all. Obviously both communities will still have an allegiance to the tricolour and Union Jack as well, but why not have a third flag acceptable to all?
Proposed new fleg = Ireland's Call
Not enough green in it.....not enough blue in it (repeat 8,000 times). A more interesting flag question is 'if' Scotland votes for independence will the union flag be redesigned?
Northern Ireland is an abomination, it does not need a flag implying that it is normal place.
Ban flagpoles, problem solved.
Quote from: michaelg on December 03, 2013, 09:20:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 03, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: michaelg on December 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
Surely there's 3 if you include the NI flag / Ulster banner / call it what you will. A flag acceptable to all to replace the NI flag / Ulster banner might be something to consider. Given that a significant % of Catholics now have some sort of Northern Irish identity (If the last census is to be believed), I think a new flag is worth considering at least.
Why cause more hassle by introducing another flag. I for one will not be dropping my allegiance to the tricolour ever. The ulster flag Michael is different from ni flag as it covers Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan- I'm sure you know that.
This new NI identity will not fly.
Fully aware of difference between 6 and 9 county flags, as I'm pretty sure you gathered from my post. As for your closing sentence, although it clearly does not appeal to you, the new NI identity does seem to be acceptable to a significant number of younger catholics in Northern Ireland. Therefore, why not introduce a new NI flag acceptable to all. Obviously both communities will still have an allegiance to the tricolour and Union Jack as well, but why not have a third flag acceptable to all?
Because it won't be acceptable to all so it is a stupid idea. We should just wait until Scotland votes for independance, surely the union jack can't exist then in it's current format. :D
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Quote from: michaelg on December 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:51 PM
Ok so we'll have the Union Jack flying up the Shankill the Tricolour up the Falls and the new flag flying in Malone?????
2 flags are too much FFS no need for another one, who da fcuk gives a flying fiddlers about flegs other than dumbwits?
This place is a shit hole at times run by shit stirrers
Surely there's 3 if you include the NI flag / Ulster banner / call it what you will. A flag acceptable to all to replace the NI flag / Ulster banner might be something to consider. Given that a significant % of Catholics now have some sort of Northern Irish identity (If the last census is to be believed), I think a new flag is worth considering at least.
Why cause more hassle by introducing another flag. I for one will not be dropping my allegiance to the tricolour ever. The ulster flag Michael is different from ni flag as it covers Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan- I'm sure you know that.
This new NI identity will not fly.
Fully aware of difference between 6 and 9 county flags, as I'm pretty sure you gathered from my post. As for your closing sentence, although it clearly does not appeal to you, the new NI identity does seem to be acceptable to a significant number of younger catholics in Northern Ireland. Therefore, why not introduce a new NI flag acceptable to all. Obviously both communities will still have an allegiance to the tricolour and Union Jack as well, but why not have a third flag acceptable to all?
Because it won't be acceptable to all so it is a stupid idea. We should just wait until Scotland votes for independance, surely the union jack can't exist then in it's current format. :D
They lost 26 Counties but didn't remove St Patricks cross so they will hardly remove St Andrews if they lose another 33.
Quote from: CD on December 03, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
We have a winner
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That's the pradesant Mr Tayto...Where's are gud fenian wan?
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 04, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: CD on December 03, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
We have a winner
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That's the pradesant Mr Tayto...Where's are gud fenian wan?
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Just different coloured hats!
Recently had my first taste of the Prod Taytos. Give me the Fenian ones any day.
Quote from: CD on December 04, 2013, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on December 04, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
Quote from: CD on December 03, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
We have a winner
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That's the pradesant Mr Tayto...Where's are gud fenian wan?
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Just different coloured hats!
Change that black hat to a bowler and hey presto, you've got de pradesants onside.
A flag for all and its already in use.
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Quote from: deiseach on December 04, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
Recently had my first taste of the Prod Taytos. Give me the Fenian ones any day.
No way - the Brit Taytos for me. The yellow bag helps with the cheesy flavour.
Quote from: Rois on December 04, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 04, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
Recently had my first taste of the Prod Taytos. Give me the Fenian ones any day.
No way - the Brit Taytos for me. The yellow bag helps with the cheesy flavour.
Why don't we combine both and make a bland, flavourless crisp that no one likes - R Haass
Quote from: AQMP on December 04, 2013, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Rois on December 04, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 04, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
Recently had my first taste of the Prod Taytos. Give me the Fenian ones any day.
No way - the Brit Taytos for me. The yellow bag helps with the cheesy flavour.
Why don't we combine both and make a bland, flavourless crisp that no one likes - R Haass
Touche(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdYP5mkzNsku0hRPlKlk3QMCnHPx3fkVMCYEc3W6VLu5dj55mr)
I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
Quote from: ziggysego on December 04, 2013, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2013, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 04, 2013, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
LAD are parodying them.
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, fleg protesters are complete arseholes. However, anyone else find the LAD thing a bit tiresome?
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, fleg protesters are complete arseholes. However, anyone else find the LAD thing a bit tiresome?
No. As well as the comedy, they do expose a lot of stuff.
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, fleg protesters are complete arseholes. However, anyone else find the LAD thing a bit tiresome?
I could see how that could happen but fleggers provide fresh material on a daily basis.
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, fleg protesters are complete arseholes. However, anyone else find the LAD thing a bit tiresome?
I could see how that could happen but fleggers provide fresh material on a daily basis.
Fair enough, but it is the same joke adnauseum. In my opinion there is a bit of a class element involved - Lets all laugh at the people who don't talk properly / speak with a broad Belfast accent.
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
Did you think it was genuine?
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
Don't get me wrong, fleg protesters are complete arseholes. However, anyone else find the LAD thing a bit tiresome?
I could see how that could happen but fleggers provide fresh material on a daily basis.
Fair enough, but it is the same joke adnauseum. In my opinion there is a bit of a class element involved - Lets all laugh at the people who don't talk properly / speak with a broad Belfast accent.
Whats wrong with that? Sure they are there to be laughed at! Is Fleggers a new word in the English language? What would it be in Irish and Ulster Scots?
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Is Fleggers a new word in the English language? What would it be in Irish and Ulster Scots?
Bratadóiri
Modmen with bots o coloured clath???
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
A new low by these "protesters"
http://loyalistsagainstdemocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/loyalism-says-no-to-charity.html?m=1 (http://loyalistsagainstdemocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/loyalism-says-no-to-charity.html?m=1)
Fair play ziggy for highlighting this, I was coming on to do the same. Pack of dirtbags. Seems to have backfired though as a lot of donations flooding in at the min.
Willie Frazer and his white supremacist chums are calling Nelson Mandela a nigger over on the protestant coalition site :-[
It actually gets worse. I wonder what Frazer apologists like Danny Kennedy, Jeffrey Donaldson and The Newsletter will have to say about Frazer and his party referring to Mandela as a f**king murdering monkey. :-[
Quote from: Feckitt on December 07, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
It actually gets worse. I wonder what Frazer apologists like Danny Kennedy, Jeffrey Donaldson and The Newsletter will have to say about Frazer and his party referring to Mandela as a f**king murdering monkey. :-[
aye did you notice The Newsletter yesterday. It was literally the only newspaper on the stand that didn't run Mandella as their cover story. EVery other paper had it on their front page in some form. Found it very strange.
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Quote from: Feckitt on December 07, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
It actually gets worse. I wonder what Frazer apologists like Danny Kennedy, Jeffrey Donaldson and The Newsletter will have to say about Frazer and his party referring to Mandela as a f**king murdering monkey. :-[
aye did you notice The Newsletter yesterday. It was literally the only newspaper on the stand that didn't run Mandella as their cover story. EVery other paper had it on their front page in some form. Found it very strange.
Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe had it as the 2nd story, probably due to Mandela's criticism of Mugabe.
The Newsletter was in good company.
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Quote from: Feckitt on December 07, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
It actually gets worse. I wonder what Frazer apologists like Danny Kennedy, Jeffrey Donaldson and The Newsletter will have to say about Frazer and his party referring to Mandela as a f**king murdering monkey. :-[
aye did you notice The Newsletter yesterday. It was literally the only newspaper on the stand that didn't run Mandella as their cover story. EVery other paper had it on their front page in some form. Found it very strange.
You seem surprised
The flegs are a symbol of protestant insecurity more than anything else. The Israelis are big into flags too. It is not easy to create a settler culture. And it's very hard when the made up cultural symbols go past their sell by date. Queen and Somme and who is bothered ?Be a loyal plastic robot for a world that doesn't care.
I came across a poem about the plantation of ulster by Feardorcha O Meallain. Would he be any relation to Seamus or Aidan Mallon?
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I came across a poem about the plantation of ulster by Feardorcha O Meallain. Would he be any relation to Seamus or Aidan Mallon?
Can you post it up?
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I see big George Michael is going to make a few bob from royalties this Christmas. There's a song released about the fleg protests called 'Last December' to the tune of Wham's Last Christmas. Feck me, you really couldn't make this shit up. Long may they continue making tools out of themselves.
It's LAD that's doing it, not the fleg protesters. Money's going to charity.
And LAD aren't connected to the fleg protest? What's the charity?... Keeping those in Camp Twaddle in soup and sandwiches during the winter?
The charity is SOS Bus NI. LAD rip the shit out of the fleggers at every available opportunity.
A new low by these "protesters"
http://loyalistsagainstdemocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/loyalism-says-no-to-charity.html?m=1 (http://loyalistsagainstdemocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/loyalism-says-no-to-charity.html?m=1)
There is no place in a modern society for these Neanderthals.
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Quote from: seafoid on December 07, 2013, 01:06:46 PM
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I came across a poem about the plantation of ulster by Feardorcha O Meallain. Would he be any relation to Seamus or Aidan Mallon?
Can you post it up?
Will do but it doesn't seem to be online so it'll need a bit of time.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/printthread.php?thread=854353&boardid=2 (http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/printthread.php?thread=854353&boardid=2)
Seafoid, towards the bottom of this page...
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 08, 2013, 09:57:26 AM
http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/printthread.php?thread=854353&boardid=2 (http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/printthread.php?thread=854353&boardid=2)
Seafoid, towards the bottom of this page...
Cheers Tony. I think it conveys the mood of that awful time very well. He would be proud to see how the people did in the meantime I think.
Wouldn't it be great if every woman man & child who goes to a St Patrick's day parade in the wee 6 bring along their own wee tri-colour to wave. Sure if one side can display their culture why can't the other.
Quote from: Hereiam on March 14, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
Wouldn't it be great if every woman man & child who goes to a St Patrick's day parade in the wee 6 bring along their own wee tri-colour to wave. Sure if one side can display their culture why can't the other.
Why ape the loyalists?
Quote from: Hereiam on March 14, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
Wouldn't it be great if every woman man & child who goes to a St Patrick's day parade in the wee 6 bring along their own wee tri-colour to wave. Sure if one side can display their culture why can't the other.
is waving wee flags part of our culture?
My point is that on St Patricks day we are told not to bring tri colours to any marches as it would mean that our fellow brethen would get offended. I do believe alot of nationalist people here would be ashamed to be seen with a tri colour in their hands. On the other hand we have the butchers cloth rammed down our throats at every opportunity.
Such is the Stockholm syndrome of many in the sick counties that they would think it "provocative" to act as people do everywhere else in the world on St Patrick's day
Philadelphia
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Moscow
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Melbourne
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Toronto
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Seoul
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Quote from: Hereiam on March 14, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
Wouldn't it be great if every woman man & child who goes to a St Patrick's day parade in the wee 6 bring along their own wee tri-colour to wave. Sure if one side can display their culture why can't the other.
Because our "culture" (well mine anyway) isn't defined by a flag? Because we're not that insecure in our identity?
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Quote from: Hereiam on March 14, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
Wouldn't it be great if every woman man & child who goes to a St Patrick's day parade in the wee 6 bring along their own wee tri-colour to wave. Sure if one side can display their culture why can't the other.
Because our "culture" (well mine anyway) isn't defined by a flag? Because we're not that insecure in our identity?
+1
There's an excuse for Americans, but when I see an Irish person wearing a green leprechaun hat, I want to slap them!
Is it ok if I keep me fake beard and crock'o'gold?
Quote from: BennyCake on March 15, 2014, 12:59:28 PM
There's an excuse for Americans, but when I see an Irish person wearing a green leprechaun hat, I want to slap them!
+1. Painful fcukin eejits.
I'm Irish every day of the year and don't need to dress like a fool on 17th March.
Quote from: Hereiam on March 14, 2014, 02:59:44 PM
Wouldn't it be great if every woman man & child who goes to a St Patrick's day parade in the wee 6 bring along their own wee tri-colour to wave. Sure if one side can display their culture why can't the other.
Being Irish and wrapping yourself in the flag of the 26 counties don't necessarily go hand in hand. I'm heading out shortly to watch three Irish heroes - Best, Trimble and Henry - who wouldn't necessarily view the tricolour as their national flag. Those who promote the notion that, to be truly Irish, you have to show allegiance to the symbols of one of the two states on this island are doing the cause of Irish unity no favours. Come the day when we have a 32 county state, it won't be the tricolour that flies from the top of our national parliament.
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.
Designing a new flag that would be acceptable could we remove the yellow colour and replace with with some nice northerm orange and maybe us the green and white used all over.
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.
The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.
The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.
Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags. Hard to understand alright
Saw a photo on Twitter of some revellers at Belfast City hall today burning a Union Flag, bad enough if it was kids but these were full grown adults ffs.
http://ladbelfast.tumblr.com/post/79786174971/loyalists-will-they-ever-tire-of-being-lied-to
It has been shown on the LAD facebook page that this flag was burnt in Tehran in 2011 but shown on the PUP facebook page just to stir shit.
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.
The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.
Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags. Hard to understand alright
So what is an 'Irish flag' exactly? Is the Cross of St Patrick an Irish flag? If not, why not? Is the old Stormont govt Ulster banner an Irish flag? If not, why not? Why would some Irish flags be appropriate things to wave tomorrow and others totally inappropriate?
I'd say any flag with any Irish connotation would be fine
Prob even any flag at all
But you'd expect flags banners etc that are associated with Ireland to be at the forefront on st Patricks day!!
Btw the tricolour was designed for the 32 county Ireland but obv has not been incorporated for the northern 6 counties ( yet) -though I believe it is flown in various places , not sure if any are recognised official buildings
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.
The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.
Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags. Hard to understand alright
Yes, but St Patricks Day is (supposed to be) about religion and christianity, not flags. It's exactly why Northern Protestants don't participate much with his feast day. St Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, that's Includes both religions. Why do you need a tri colour for celebrating that?
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Quote from: armaghniac on March 15, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
The tricolour is the flag of the Irish nation, it is also used by the State containing the larger part of that nation. St Patrick's day isn't about the state, it is about the nation.
Nope, the tricolour is the flag of one - the 26 county part - of the Irish nation. It is not the flag of the entire country. We don't have a 32 county flag yet.
The tricolour flies in all parts of Ireland and will be used to represent the Irish nation throughout the world on St Patrick's day.
As I said, the fact that a political state representing most Irish people also use it does not change this.
The Irish flag has nothing to do with St Patrick, and why anyone would flag it tomorrow baffles me.
Does it really? Patron saint of Ireland, celebrated by Irish people flying Irish flags. Hard to understand alright
Yes, but St Patricks Day is (supposed to be) about religion and christianity, not flags. It's exactly why Northern Protestants don't participate much with his feast day. St Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, that's Includes both religions. Why do you need a tri colour for celebrating that?
Christmas is supposed to be one thing but and it is another.
Patrick's Day is not supposed to be the national day in Ireland, but it is. It was always celebrated abroad and it was about Irishness in various expressions, not about St Patrick himself.
If people want to celebrate the religious association, they can go to church, but the day is about so much more than that, carnival, cultural and national. Flying the tricolour is not about celebrating St Patrick, it's about celebrating the national day.
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2014, 11:45:09 PM
Christmas is supposed to be one thing but and it is another.
Patrick's Day is not supposed to be the national day in Ireland, but it is. It was always celebrated abroad and it was about Irishness in various expressions, not about St Patrick himself.
If people want to celebrate the religious association, they can go to church, but the day is about so much more than that, carnival, cultural and national. Flying the tricolour is not about celebrating St Patrick, it's about celebrating the national day.
Like Christmas, it has been hijacked, by the likes of Guinness and the tourist board. Christmas has lost all true meaning of what it's about, as has SPD. The parade is an American creation, not Irish.
I cringe at modern St Patricks Days. Irish people running around in green leprechauns hats, getting pissed out of their heads, and the whole place going diddly-eye-dee for the day. If that is a celebration of the best Ireland has to offer, then it's no wonder we are typecast exactly as above.
There are other ways to show off our culture, hertitage and national pride
A poster claiming to be "baffled" at the Irish flag being used on the Irish national holiday, and a reference to St Patrick's Day as "SPD".
Mods/ziggy, close this thread before it gets any more fcuked up.
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Only if there's a load of green dye in it, makes you more Irish you know!!
Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
I would gladly go for a few. Anyone want to look after 3 toddlers.
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Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not ;)) but for many they don't need that.
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Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not ;)) but for many they don't need that.
Who said anything about throwing up and singing IRA songs? My point was that people dressing in green or having Ireland flags on the national holiday of Ireland is normal. Not a "baffling"and not a sign of someone "wanting to be more Irish".
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 17, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not ;)) but for many they don't need that.
Do ye Nordies get the day off today?
Quote from: laoislad on March 17, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 17, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not ;)) but for many they don't need that.
Do ye Nordies get the day off today?
Not all of us, I think its a bank holiday, not a public holiday.
Quote from: laoislad on March 17, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 17, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not ;)) but for many they don't need that.
Do ye Nordies get the day off today?
Yep! It's a bank holiday.
Quote from: laoislad on March 17, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2014, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on March 17, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: haveaharp on March 17, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Anyone fancy a pint ;)
Yes, but only of there's no Green dye in it, and nobody wearing any Green around us, and no Ireland flags on display, because we're above all that, and anyone with any of these things, is apparently not celebrating their nationality and/or letting their hair down and having a laugh, but is actually trying to be more Irish. And only of we can call it "SPD".
The day can be whatever people want. Chanting pro-IRA slogans in between vomiting up green beer whilst draped in a tricolour is maybe your idea of a good day out (or it may not ;)) but for many they don't need that.
Do ye Nordies get the day off today?
No but I took the day off to celebrate our Saint's day.
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2014, 11:45:09 PM
Christmas is supposed to be one thing but and it is another.
Patrick's Day is not supposed to be the national day in Ireland, but it is. It was always celebrated abroad and it was about Irishness in various expressions, not about St Patrick himself.
If people want to celebrate the religious association, they can go to church, but the day is about so much more than that, carnival, cultural and national. Flying the tricolour is not about celebrating St Patrick, it's about celebrating the national day.
Like Christmas, it has been hijacked, by the likes of Guinness and the tourist board. Christmas has lost all true meaning of what it's about, as has SPD. The parade is an American creation, not Irish.
I cringe at modern St Patricks Days. Irish people running around in green leprechauns hats, getting pissed out of their heads, and the whole place going diddly-eye-dee for the day. If that is a celebration of the best Ireland has to offer, then it's no wonder we are typecast exactly as above.
There are other ways to show off our culture, hertitage and national pride
Are you a latin mass advocate?.
I answered your grump about tricolour flags being used on a national day and it opens up a bottomless pit of grumps ;D
Time was not so long ago in London there was nothing on St Patrick's day, labourers snuck away from the building sites and other workers took the day off, all met in the pub. Being Irish was a confined ethnicity.
Now tens of thousands of families can go along to a street carnival parade, kids all get dressed up in carnival outfits, go green and wave tricolours, but a grump like yourself considers this social activity a heresy.
If a culturally sophisticated person like yourself can't enjoy a social occasion like that, with or without children,
i'm sure you could find some irish language, GAA sport, trad music, irish theatre, irish cinema festival show and enjoy/participate/ celebrate, unencumbered by a drop of alcohol.
Or just go to a latin mass in a sackcloth ;D
Quote from: Main Street on March 17, 2014, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on March 17, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2014, 11:45:09 PM
Christmas is supposed to be one thing but and it is another.
Patrick's Day is not supposed to be the national day in Ireland, but it is. It was always celebrated abroad and it was about Irishness in various expressions, not about St Patrick himself.
If people want to celebrate the religious association, they can go to church, but the day is about so much more than that, carnival, cultural and national. Flying the tricolour is not about celebrating St Patrick, it's about celebrating the national day.
Like Christmas, it has been hijacked, by the likes of Guinness and the tourist board. Christmas has lost all true meaning of what it's about, as has SPD. The parade is an American creation, not Irish.
I cringe at modern St Patricks Days. Irish people running around in green leprechauns hats, getting pissed out of their heads, and the whole place going diddly-eye-dee for the day. If that is a celebration of the best Ireland has to offer, then it's no wonder we are typecast exactly as above.
There are other ways to show off our culture, hertitage and national pride
Are you a latin mass advocate?.
I answered your grump about tricolour flags being used on a national day and it opens up a bottomless pit of grumps ;D
Time was not so long ago in London there was nothing on St Patrick's day, labourers snuck away from the building sites and other workers took the day off, all met in the pub. Being Irish was a confined ethnicity.
Now tens of thousands of families can go along to a street carnival parade, kids all get dressed up in carnival outfits, go green and wave tricolours, but a grump like yourself considers this social activity a heresy.
If a culturally sophisticated person like yourself can't enjoy a social occasion like that, with or without children,
i'm sure you could find some irish language, GAA sport, trad music, irish theatre, irish cinema festival show and enjoy/participate/ celebrate, unencumbered by a drop of alcohol.
Or just go to a latin mass in a sackcloth ;D
I said the tri colour has nothing to do with St Patrick, and detested the leprechaun hat wearing idiots. That was it. I didn't say anything about going green (even if St Patricks cross is red, and Ireland's original flag was blue). I merely stated the behaviour of alot of Irish on St Patricks Day is an embarrassment.
But that's what most kids grow up to do as adults. Get pissed out of your heads, not participate in some event that involves St Patrick (for that is what the day is about, not a national day), or at least something relating to Irish culture, music, language, sport etc. no, let's just sit in the pub all day and get pissed. Says a lot about some peoples mentality.
Ignore your critics Bennycake, you are right and they know it.
Christ you c***ts are boring. Lighten the f**k up a bit, maybe open your blinds every now and again when its daylight
Wankstains
St Patricks Day in this country is just a piss-fest, end of story.
Ye can dress it up how ye like and try to sell it but most people recognise its just an excuse to drink a lot and behave like a tool.
Im not an oul fella by any stretch but yesterday I had no interest in the 'festivities' at all. I watched a bit of the Dublin parade on the telly with the kids and then took in some of the schools cup finals and the club finals in croke park. Got to spend a Monday with my kids and took them to the park etc and put my day in rightly without having to drink the head of myself and be a lout.
A&E's up the left, economy still a mess and my biggest personal gripe is rural communities are being destroyed due to planning policies, but sure why would our politicians gives a f**k about real issues when one of the first things on the Unionist agenda around the discussion on the North's new super councils is how many days a f**king flag will fly.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on March 18, 2014, 01:58:08 PM
A&E's up the left, economy still a mess and my biggest personal gripe is rural communities are being destroyed due to planning policies, but sure why would our politicians gives a f**k about real issues when one of the first things on the Unionist agenda around the discussion on the North's new super councils is how many days a f**king flag will fly.
Yep - again Nesbitt shows himself up to be absolutely pathetic.
How this place is run is an absolute joke. When will any of those "politicians" ever be made accountable for actual real issues.
This link posted on LAD gives a clear understanding of what we have to deal with in regards to sectarian and racist bigots. Have a read at the comments, if you have the stomach for it....
http://ladbelfast.tumblr.com/post/79884253403/shame-toy-soldier-and-his-lovely-chums-didnt
And last night, to mark the 250th day at Camp Twadell, they drove an ex army jeep up the road complete with huge Israeli flag. You couldn't make it up......
http://ladbelfast.tumblr.com/post/80000853650/herbies-gone-bananas
QuoteYe can dress it up how ye like and try to sell it but most people recognise its just an excuse to drink a lot and behave like a tool.
Most people? Tools behave like tools, most people enjoy the days without being a tool.
Last year, LAD put up the following:
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This week:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/1173633_229438910594401_983823040_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1975054_230811220457170_1255476527_n.jpg)
The man's a p***k.
Quote from: Black Card on March 27, 2014, 02:33:04 PM
The man's a p***k.
Those pics are truly sad and funny at the same time!
It gets better by the day ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
.................STATEMENT................
Today the Protestant Coalition have implemented charges against the Psni Chief Constable, Matt Baggott.
The charges placed against Mr Baggott are bringing the Psni into disrepute and treason. The Disciplinary and Services Department of the Psni have acknowledged receipt of said charges and by doing so are now obligated to investigate Mr Baggott.
We the Protestant Coalition feel that as the head of the Psni Mr Baggott is culpable in relation to the charges placed upon him by us and we will endeavour to keep the public informed as things move forward with the case.
I done some laughin at those assorted pics when I seen them. Its, Jesus I duno, its just so so so sad. And as evidence shows completely shambolic attempt by him. FAIL i believe the cool kids say. Its laughable but we souldnt really laugh at the same time, as NAG1 said.
Can, they, not see how stupid this tool is? How could ye follow/support him? A person is smart though, people are idiots... (MIB-1997)
Not sure if it was mentioned in another thread, but there was a vote in Belfast City Council last week about bonfires. Currently, the each bonfire organisers get a grant, of which 70% is paid up front and 30% afterwards if they behave themselves during the bonfire.
SF raised a motion to get the percentages reversed, but the motion was defeated. UUP and DUP voted against the motion on the grounds that they cannot control the nonsense that happens during and after the bonfire.
I thought SF, SDLP and Alliance had a majority in Belfast City Council?
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2015, 01:17:12 PM
Not sure if it was mentioned in another thread, but there was a vote in Belfast City Council last week about bonfires. Currently, the each bonfire organisers get a grant, of which 70% is paid up front and 30% afterwards if they behave themselves during the bonfire.
SF raised a motion to get the percentages reversed, but the motion was defeated. UUP and DUP voted against the motion on the grounds that they cannot control the nonsense that happens during and after the bonfire.
I thought SF, SDLP and Alliance had a majority in Belfast City Council?
The whole thing is a farce. It was in the paper last week that a "community group" received money last year to not build a bonfire, which they complied with. They are getting the same funding this year even though stockpiling has started for a real bonfire. Again, the excuse being that they have no control over the people doing it.
As a Belfast ratepayer I am raging that these cnuts are getting paid with my money to pollute the environment ... some culture all right
Quote from: red hander on May 11, 2015, 03:00:36 PM
As a Belfast ratepayer I am raging that these cnuts are getting paid with my money to pollute the environment ... some culture all right
Ring into Stevie Nolan then!
Quote from: johnneycool on May 11, 2015, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: red hander on May 11, 2015, 03:00:36 PM
As a Belfast ratepayer I am raging that these cnuts are getting paid with my money to pollute the environment ... some culture all right
Ring into Stevie Nolan then!
As a taxpayer I am raging that this cnut is getting paid with my money to pollute the airwaves ... some cnut all right
Commuting everyday from West Tyrone to Lisburn I must say some amount of flags bunting going up this past week or so, getting earlier every year. Bar the standard Flegs will all come to expect, must say I little giggle today when i seen the jolly roger pirate flag, new one for me? What that about??
Quote from: front of the mountain on June 02, 2016, 01:17:43 PM
Commuting everyday from West Tyrone to Lisburn I must say some amount of flags bunting going up this past week or so, getting earlier every year. Bar the standard Flegs will all come to expect, must say I little giggle today when i seen the jolly roger pirate flag, new one for me? What that about??
Mentioned some pages back in this thread I think. Apparently its to represent some soccer team from Ballymacash if I recall
Quote from: front of the mountain on June 02, 2016, 01:17:43 PM
Commuting everyday from West Tyrone to Lisburn I must say some amount of flags bunting going up this past week or so, getting earlier every year. Bar the standard Flegs will all come to expect, must say I little giggle today when i seen the jolly roger pirate flag, new one for me? What that about??
UCC playing hurling nearby?
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
It happens every year around this time, do you get annoyed at seeing Tricolours flying?? I doubt it, their culture is flying flags, being royalist and Loyalist and Marching....
Its been happening for years and every year people get annoyed about it... Its been eroding slowly but surely every year as younger kids become less interested in following their dad's footsteps...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 02, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
It happens every year around this time, do you get annoyed at seeing Tricolours flying?? I doubt it, their culture is flying flags, being royalist and Loyalist and Marching....
Its been happening for years and every year people get annoyed about it... Its been eroding slowly but surely every year as younger kids become less interested in following their dad's footsteps...
You can't get annoyed at it because a tricolour never flies above any courthouse in the 6 counties. Wullie would be annoyed if another primary school put up an Italian flag for the Euros though.
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
If Newry is 90% nationalist why doesn't some of ye remove the fcukn thing?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
If Newry is 90% nationalist why doesn't some of ye remove the fcukn thing?
Have you ever seen the courthouse? It would be like a second Siege of Derry.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 02, 2016, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
If Newry is 90% nationalist why doesn't some of ye remove the fcukn thing?
Have you ever seen the courthouse?
Not in recent years ;) Still a fortress I take it.
How about someone on the inside doing a job on the flagpole....
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 02, 2016, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 02, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
If Newry is 90% nationalist why doesn't some of ye remove the fcukn thing?
Have you ever seen the courthouse?
Not in recent years ;) Still a fortress I take it.
How about someone on the inside doing a job on the flagpole....
I think the last car bomb left there barely took the gates off the hinges - if it even did that!
We'd need a sneaky westerner that nobody would suspect, considering 2km down the road is a different country, a Roscommon man would have no motive to be at that sort of craic ::)
I'm sure someone could fix it boss.......
Quote from: AQMP on June 03, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 03, 2016, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on June 03, 2016, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 02, 2016, 09:04:45 PM
Union Jack flying high above Newry court house today. Is there any call for this really?
Yesterday was Coronation Day one of the designated days for the flying of the Onion Jack from public buildings.
Are those the days Coronation St is on the TV?
Almost...June is a bumper month:
2 June Coronation Day
10 June Birthday of the Duke of Edinburgh
11 June Official celebration of Her Majesty's birthday
21 June Birthday of the Duke of Cambridge
He hasn't many left. Will they still celebrate it when he's gone?
Sure will there not just be a new Duke of Edinburgh?
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2016, 06:17:54 PM
Sure will there not just be a new Duke of Edinburgh?
QEII probably won't marry again and her offspring's missus might not get such a title.
Quote from: hardstation on June 03, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
What happens the awards?
Victoria Cross is still the Victoria Cross
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2016, 06:17:54 PM
Sure will there not just be a new Duke of Edinburgh?
QEII probably won't marry again and her offspring's missus might not get such a title.
Oh that's what the title was for. I thought it was random, like the two younger ones getting Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2016, 06:17:54 PM
Sure will there not just be a new Duke of Edinburgh?
Think I read somewhere that when he pops his clogs, his title is gonna pass to Edward, so that all of Lizzie's sons will be royal dukes, apart from Charlie obvs.
We are reaching peak levels of fleg awareness now folks. Britain's got talent posters removed by Belfast City Council as they contain a Union Jack.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/britains-got-talent-posters-removed-by-belfast-council-after-union-flag-complaints-from-staff-37542208.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/britains-got-talent-posters-removed-by-belfast-council-after-union-flag-complaints-from-staff-37542208.html)
Flegism running riot, Bryson on the Nolan show debating this as Brexit wreaks chaos. Council should though pick and choose where to display these, that said people have little to be annoyed at.
Couldn't give one flying woo-ha if a BGT poster is in City Hall or not, it's a nonsense debate. Caught a little of Bryson this morning, milking it for all it is worth and how it's the last days of Ulster.... I mean ffs, catch a grip.
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Quote from: ziggysego on November 19, 2018, 10:16:44 AM
Couldn't give one flying woo-ha if a BGT poster is in City Hall or not, it's a nonsense debate. Caught a little of Bryson this morning, milking it for all it is worth and how it's the last days of Ulster.... I mean ffs, catch a grip.
Too right, the clue is in the programme name, its hardly a big deal. Unfortunately it gives that bollox airtime to feel outraged
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
If you check you should find that that festival bunting has to do with other events, I am nearly sure the paying for twelfth bunting with ratepayer's cash was challenged some years ago as being an equality issue, I may be wrong.
What complete moron in the council did this??!! He/she should be sacked. . . it only gives Bryson another stick to beat them with having been made a laughing stock last week now he can espouse the "anti British ethos of the council"
Amateur hour crap like this really does my head in!!
Nolan is responsible for adding the fuel to keep the sectarian fires burning in the north.
He continually gives profile and airtime to Bryson and Allister and the likes. Bigots who have a 17th century mindset.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
Are the councils involved in erecting these arches in the summer too?
Quote from: screenexile on November 19, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
What complete moron in the council did this??!! He/she should be sacked. . . it only gives Bryson another stick to beat them with having been made a laughing stock last week now he can espouse the "anti British ethos of the council"
Amateur hour crap like this really does my head in!!
It's unbelievably stupid, and even worse to put the stupidity in writing.
Quote from: screenexile on November 19, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
What complete moron in the council did this??!! He/she should be sacked. . . it only gives Bryson another stick to beat them with having been made a laughing stock last week now he can espouse the "anti British ethos of the council"
Amateur hour crap like this really does my head in!!
In fairness to the council they got a complaint about the poster affecting workplace neutrality. As I said the council should pick and choose where to place these.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
The bunting is put up by organised community groups, probably loyalist paramilitary influenced. I would say they get community grants as a way around the council actually doing the work.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 02:35:47 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 19, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
What complete moron in the council did this??!! He/she should be sacked. . . it only gives Bryson another stick to beat them with having been made a laughing stock last week now he can espouse the "anti British ethos of the council"
Amateur hour crap like this really does my head in!!
In fairness to the council they got a complaint about the poster affecting workplace neutrality. As I said the council should pick and choose where to place these.
Whoever made that complaint should be roaded. moron
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
The bunting is put up by organised community groups, probably loyalist paramilitary influenced. I would say they get community grants as a way around the council actually doing the work.
If that's the case, would they not need a permit to erect this bunting?
Each summer there are loads of examples of erecting flags in neutral areas, especially at road junctions or motorway/dual carriageway exits. They are never removed, nor are given approval in the first place. Just another example of putting those pesky taigs in their place.
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What complete moron in the council did this??!! He/she should be sacked. . . it only gives Bryson another stick to beat them with having been made a laughing stock last week now he can espouse the "anti British ethos of the council"
Amateur hour crap like this really does my head in!!
In fairness to the council they got a complaint about the poster affecting workplace neutrality. As I said the council should pick and choose where to place these.
Whoever made that complaint should be roaded. moron
The council should have told whoever made the complaint to f**k up and stop being a dick then we wouldn't have this crap going on today!!
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Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
The bunting is put up by organised community groups, probably loyalist paramilitary influenced. I would say they get community grants as a way around the council actually doing the work.
If that's the case, would they not need a permit to erect this bunting?
Each summer there are loads of examples of erecting flags in neutral areas, especially at road junctions or motorway/dual carriageway exits. They are never removed, nor are given approval in the first place. Just another example of putting those pesky taigs in their place.
Every year theres a row in Lurgan as the bring the bunting down the town to the nationalist end allegedly to the COI.
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Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
The bunting is put up by organised community groups, probably loyalist paramilitary influenced. I would say they get community grants as a way around the council actually doing the work.
If that's the case, would they not need a permit to erect this bunting?
Each summer there are loads of examples of erecting flags in neutral areas, especially at road junctions or motorway/dual carriageway exits. They are never removed, nor are given approval in the first place. Just another example of putting those pesky taigs in their place.
Every year theres a row in Lurgan as the bring the bunting down the town to the nationalist end allegedly to the COI.
Used to go right around the Church but not any more. Up to the war memorial now.
I think this is brilliant. Shows how far we've come. Wasn't all that long ago that staff in Short Bros in Belfast went on strike because they were told to remove flags etc from the workplace. They simply don't have that level of power anymore and let's make sure it stays that way
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Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 19, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
Funny why this was removed yet councils every year pay to have bunting for the twelfth, and union flags flies all year round in town centres, and not a word about it.
They don't actually that was outlawed some time ago.
Someone better tell Ards and North Down then as they pay out for "festival" bunting in their annual accounts every year.
Who pays for this bunting if it isn't the councils?
I've seen plenty of towns in bunting for the twelfth. And the union flag flying all year in centre of town.
The bunting is put up by organised community groups, probably loyalist paramilitary influenced. I would say they get community grants as a way around the council actually doing the work.
If that's the case, would they not need a permit to erect this bunting?
Each summer there are loads of examples of erecting flags in neutral areas, especially at road junctions or motorway/dual carriageway exits. They are never removed, nor are given approval in the first place. Just another example of putting those pesky taigs in their place.
Every year theres a row in Lurgan as the bring the bunting down the town to the nationalist end allegedly to the COI.
Used to go right around the Church but not any more. Up to the war memorial now.
Craigavon Protestant boys flute band if I remember correctly, they sneak out in the early hours of the morning to do it in their cherry pickers. Interesting how much longer they keep it up in Lurgan compared to towns with larger loyalist populations like banbridge and Lisburn. To annoy the taigs, obviously. Maybe next year they'll keep it to their own end and leave the town centre neutral
Great advertisement for 'are kulture' on BBC4 now😳
This should have been put in the WTF thread along with anything Nolan or Bryson says. Do intelligent people listen or watch Nolan?
Quote from: Insane Bolt on November 19, 2018, 08:26:21 PM
Great advertisement for 'are kulture' on BBC4 now😳
Aye..touch of class...burning pallets/tyres, drinking, bricking the cops @ Twaddell on the way home. Orangefest culture, in a nutshell - beer, bricking, burning.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2018, 08:37:34 PM
This should have been put in the WTF thread along with anything Nolan or Bryson says. Do intelligent people listen or watch Nolan?
It was considered