International rules

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Gael85

#285
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they’d be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they’re really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

So who dislikes this Dublin team?  Can understand people not liking certain individuals. This group are class act on and off pitch unlike some of the Dublin players before them who very arrogant off the pitch. FYI none of these players are professional. All have full time job and off course easier for them to train more as all based in Dublin

6th sam

#286
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they'd be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they're really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

Whereas I have major difficulties with the structures that allow Dublin and other counties to enjoy unfair advantage, we can't blame Dublin and their players making the most of the opportunities. Dublin players seem to be great role models in the main. The lack of Dublin representatives on the Rules squad flags up the inadequacies of the "sport".
One of the biggest threats to the GAA is the loss of quality players to Australia, either on a working holiday or in a small number of cases to play AFL. Is it wise for the GAA to promote Australia?
As opposed to criticising Dublin players' admirable club loyalty , I would prefer to highlight that the GAA is further robbing some clubs of their elite players by dragging them off to Dublin for training after the Intercounty season is over when players should be concentrating on club activity.
Many Dublin players are close to elite athletes, and anyone at that top end would be unwise to risk injury or lose out on recovery and preparation for a "made-up sport " for "internationals " that cant even command a full house on most occasions.
In the interests of injury prevention, the GAA has determined in rule that even the best conditioned 17 year olds can't play for their clubs senior or reserve teams, but yet are prepared to throw the country's very best footballers into the lion's den against much heavier and in many cases cynical professional athletes, with only a few weeks' of patchy preparation , exposing them to ridiculously dangerous tackles like the one on Chris Barrett on Saturday . Our "international" squad  is further weakened by the fact that many of our best players don't involve themselves. The GAA and particularly the GPA needs to take a serious look at this fiasco , where we risk injury and potentially encourage emigration of our players to promote a rival sport. AFL is a sport incidentally who have poached some of our best talent without paying a brass farthing to the club's and counties that developed these players for them. Talk about being taken for fools!!!

Keyser soze

Quote from: 6th sam on November 19, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they'd be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they're really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

Whereas I have major difficulties with the structures that allow Dublin and other counties to enjoy unfair advantage, we can't blame Dublin and their players making the most of the opportunities. Dublin players seem to be great role models in the main. The lack of Dublin representatives on the Rules squad flags up the inadequacies of the "sport".
One of the biggest threats to the GAA is the loss of quality players to Australia, either on a working holiday or in a small number of cases to play AFL. Is it wise for the GAA to promote Australia?
As opposed to criticising Dublin players' admirable club loyalty , I would prefer to highlight that the GAA is further robbing some clubs of their elite players by dragging them off to Dublin for training after the Intercounty season is over when players should be concentrating on club activity.
Many Dublin players are close to elite athletes, and anyone at that top end would be unwise to risk injury or lose out on recovery and preparation for a "made-up sport " for "internationals " that cant even command a full house on most occasions.
In the interests of injury prevention, the GAA has determined in rule that even the best conditioned 17 year olds can't play for their clubs senior or reserve teams, but yet are prepared to throw the country's very best footballers into the lion's den against much heavier and in many cases cynical professional athletes, with only a few weeks' of patchy preparation , exposing them to ridiculously dangerous tackles like the one on Chris Barrett on Saturday . Our "international" squad  is further weakened by the fact that many of our best players don't involve themselves. The GAA and particularly the GPA needs to take a serious look at this fiasco , where we risk injury and potentially encourage emigration of our players to promote a rival sport. AFL is a sport incidentally who have poached some of our best talent without paying a brass farthing to the club's and counties that developed these players for them. Talk about being taken for fools!!!

+1.

(To 6th Sam.... not that nonsense of Syferus's.)

Syferus

#288
Quote from: 6th sam on November 19, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Amusing seeing Big Dick calling out the Dublin players for snubbing the Aussie Rules team and the players kicking up a fuss.

Whatever why you cut it, the entire Dublin contingent opting out was a snub so they'd be better served to stop telling people piss is rain and expecting them to believe it. No one likes them to begin with but they're really giving no one any reason not to dislike them with craic like this.

Going off to Australia to play professionals without any players from our best and only professional side was obviously a bad start to say the least.

Whereas I have major difficulties with the structures that allow Dublin and other counties to enjoy unfair advantage, we can't blame Dublin and their players making the most of the opportunities. Dublin players seem to be great role models in the main. The lack of Dublin representatives on the Rules squad flags up the inadequacies of the "sport".
One of the biggest threats to the GAA is the loss of quality players to Australia, either on a working holiday or in a small number of cases to play AFL. Is it wise for the GAA to promote Australia?
As opposed to criticising Dublin players' admirable club loyalty , I would prefer to highlight that the GAA is further robbing some clubs of their elite players by dragging them off to Dublin for training after the Intercounty season is over when players should be concentrating on club activity.
Many Dublin players are close to elite athletes, and anyone at that top end would be unwise to risk injury or lose out on recovery and preparation for a "made-up sport " for "internationals " that cant even command a full house on most occasions.
In the interests of injury prevention, the GAA has determined in rule that even the best conditioned 17 year olds can't play for their clubs senior or reserve teams, but yet are prepared to throw the country's very best footballers into the lion's den against much heavier and in many cases cynical professional athletes, with only a few weeks' of patchy preparation , exposing them to ridiculously dangerous tackles like the one on Chris Barrett on Saturday . Our "international" squad  is further weakened by the fact that many of our best players don't involve themselves. The GAA and particularly the GPA needs to take a serious look at this fiasco , where we risk injury and potentially encourage emigration of our players to promote a rival sport. AFL is a sport incidentally who have poached some of our best talent without paying a brass farthing to the club's and counties that developed these players for them. Talk about being taken for fools!!!

Strange how a sport that monetarily rewards athletes for an obsessive amount of training and commitment has proven attractive to IC GAA players. Anyone upset that that a professional league like the AFL attracts people who love to play sport is, to borrow Keyzer Soze's term, speaking the real nonsense. So few even make it to the AFL that calling it one of the biggest threats to the GAA is so laughable it's hard to fathom how you can ignore far more obvious threats like player abuse, terrible scheduling and local sports like rugby and soccer.

Not many Dublin players opting to go down to the AFL. Now that's not so strange.

Rossfan

So if the GAA end the series there will be no more minors being trialled or signed by the ALL clubs.
Pull th'other one chaps.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
So if the GAA end the series there will be no more minors being trialled or signed by the ALL clubs.
Pull th'other one chaps.

You'd wonder what use the whole thing is in any respect?

How many players have really made an impact in AFL in the past 15 years?

Kennelly, Hanley and Touhy really the only ones, maybe Marty Clarke for a while but after that they've pretty much been failures.

McKenna and Glass are going well now but they were the outstanding minors in their age grouping and it will be interesting to see if they can sustain it.

Rossfan

Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 03:48:15 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"

So it's merely about living in the sun?

From my understanding the type of money you'd make from Aussie Rules is nothing special, particularly for those starting off and you would struggle to retire on it. Generally kids who go and play professional football do it because they've played the game from a very young age up and are fulfilling a childhood dream, I don't think many Irish kids dream about going on to play AFL.

But that's not my point in any case. It's not as if the AFL are having great success out of poaching gaelic footballers, very few make it and even the ones who do aren't particularly special players in the overall scheme of things. In the last 10 odd years, the most high profile players are Hanley, Touhy and Martin Clarke. I'd imagine setting up all these trials and so forth costs an awful lot of money through logistics and everything else so AFL clubs aren't exactly getting great value for money.

Rossfan

Will you tell them to stop or do you want me to?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Cunny Funt

Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 03:48:15 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"
A lot of these young lads have many friends and relations already living in Australia which makes the decision to give AFL a go all the more easier.

TabClear

Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 19, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 03:48:15 PM
Young lads get to live in the Sun for 2 years
They get paid to train for and play a type of football
Some make it some don't, that's the way it goes.
How many soccery kids go to England and end up as "failures"
A lot of these young lads have many friends and relations already living in Australia which makes the decision to give AFL a go all the more easier.

Why would anyone want to deprive young lads of an opportunity to play professional sport if that's what they want to do? Good luck to anyone who is good enough to get the chance.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2017, 06:43:27 PM
Will you tell them to stop or do you want me to?

I'm merely making the point that it doesn't really seem much of a worthwhile venture from the Australian point of view.

bennydorano

What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

Il Bomber Destro

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Quote from: bennydorano on November 19, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
What real costs are there tho? Use of GAA Grounds (probably free), use of DCU facilities, facilitated by a few already contracted coaches / officials, the cost of a few Business class plane Tickets - probably freebies from Emirates who are involved as Sponsors.

There would be a lot of costs involved in organising these things. Not to mention staff employed in organising these events and other such things.

Players then get salaries and the majority of them don't make it.

The no of players making it in a niche sport such as Aussie rules is pretty disappointing. I just don't really see much of a result out of the Aussies putting in so much endeavour, maybe the results will change now - Glass and McKenna seem to have made the breakthrough this year but Tuohy and Hanley is a very disappointing return from the no of players who have gone over in the past 10 years.

Willl the younger Hanley head back to Mayo this year? Will he be much of an addition?


bennydorano

I really doubt there is any significant financial cost. Ultimately they persist so there is obviously value for money there.