26 County General Election 2020

Started by Snapchap, January 09, 2020, 06:52:51 PM

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What will be makeup of the next government?

FF/SD/Lab/Green
FG/SD/Lab/Green
FG/FF
FF/Green
FG/Independents
FG/Independents
FG/Green
FF/SF
FF/Green/Independents
FF Minority
FG Minority
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FF/Lab/Green/Independents

Snapchap

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 21, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
The RTE decesion is playing into SF hands.

Let them on, they will crumble the more exposure they get. The RIC scandal was a joke, and a disgrace to even suggest it, but if SF gain based on this and the RTE debate rather than policy well people deserve what they get

It's silly to suggest that the RIC debacle is the only explanation for SFs high polling figures. Éoin Ó'Broin has been outstanding on the housing issue, while Pearse Doherty has impressed on the insurance rip off. His campaigning on pension ages seems to be striking a chord too. There are crises in housing and homelessness that people are angry about, and on top of that, for the first time FG and FG have been jointly responsible for this as partners in power and there is an anger there. So as you say, if people vote again for FF or FG, maybe they do deserve what they get.

five points

Quote from: Snapchap on January 21, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
It's silly to suggest that the RIC debacle is the only explanation for SFs high polling figures. Éoin Ó'Broin has been outstanding on the housing issue, while Pearse Doherty has impressed on the insurance rip off. His campaigning on pension ages seems to be striking a chord too. There are crises in housing and homelessness that people are angry about, and on top of that, for the first time FG and FG have been jointly responsible for this as partners in power and there is an anger there. So as you say, if people vote again for FF or FG, maybe they do deserve what they get.

The anti-Brit rhetoric over Brexit is set to bite FG & FF in the ass. As is the extra fiver a week every year to OAPs, which is necessitating the rise in the OAP pension age. SF have made hay on both.

weareros

Quote from: Snapchap on January 21, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 21, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
The RTE decesion is playing into SF hands.

Let them on, they will crumble the more exposure they get. The RIC scandal was a joke, and a disgrace to even suggest it, but if SF gain based on this and the RTE debate rather than policy well people deserve what they get

It's silly to suggest that the RIC debacle is the only explanation for SFs high polling figures. Éoin Ó'Broin has been outstanding on the housing issue

Not much good when action is required as proven when they controlled Dublin City Council. The O'Devanney Gardens fiasco originally signed off by SF shows the nonsense of signing off on social/affordable housing without any clue how it was going to be funded. SF do need to be on debate so these types of issues can be raised, instead of getting a free ride as hurlers on the ditch.

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Snapchap on January 21, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 21, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
The RTE decesion is playing into SF hands.

Let them on, they will crumble the more exposure they get. The RIC scandal was a joke, and a disgrace to even suggest it, but if SF gain based on this and the RTE debate rather than policy well people deserve what they get

It's silly to suggest that the RIC debacle is the only explanation for SFs high polling figures. Éoin Ó'Broin has been outstanding on the housing issue, while Pearse Doherty has impressed on the insurance rip off. His campaigning on pension ages seems to be striking a chord too. There are crises in housing and homelessness that people are angry about, and on top of that, for the first time FG and FG have been jointly responsible for this as partners in power and there is an anger there. So as you say, if people vote again for FF or FG, maybe they do deserve what they get.

I am just relaying what a lot of "experts" are saying, if the gains are for genuine political reasons fair enough, the 2 lads you have mentioned are the best SF have, but the talent isn't there after that to push any real political or economic change.


Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: weareros on January 21, 2020, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on January 21, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 21, 2020, 10:51:21 AM
The RTE decesion is playing into SF hands.

Let them on, they will crumble the more exposure they get. The RIC scandal was a joke, and a disgrace to even suggest it, but if SF gain based on this and the RTE debate rather than policy well people deserve what they get

It's silly to suggest that the RIC debacle is the only explanation for SFs high polling figures. Éoin Ó'Broin has been outstanding on the housing issue

Not much good when action is required as proven when they controlled Dublin City Council. The O'Devanney Gardens fiasco originally signed off by SF shows the nonsense of signing off on social/affordable housing without any clue how it was going to be funded. SF do need to be on debate so these types of issues can be raised, instead of getting a free ride as hurlers on the ditch.

SF are bleeding the North dry along with DUP due to total economic ineptitude.

WT4E

Reunification is coming (even if Leo and FG don't like it) - SF will be central to that along with others - they deserve their place on the debate.

The Island will prosper in the long run - sure there will be some possible economic downside in the short term - however EU and UK money could offset some of this. So anyone with children - if you want the best for them and their children reunification is what that looks like and with that goes accepting the fact that SF are a main political party north and south.


Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: WT4E on January 21, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Reunification is coming (even if Leo and FG don't like it) - SF will be central to that along with others - they deserve their place on the debate.

The Island will prosper in the long run - sure there will be some possible economic downside in the short term - however EU and UK money could offset some of this. So anyone with children - if you want the best for them and their children reunification is what that looks like and with that goes accepting the fact that SF are a main political party north and south.

Agreed. But a UI isnt a SF idea. It is aspired to by all nationalist parties on the island, its their view of timing that is different

WT4E

Okay I agree with you on that - probably wasn't clear but I also agree this is not a SF only thing and would be a failure if it was.

five points

Quote from: WT4E on January 21, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Reunification is coming (even if Leo and FG don't like it) - SF will be central to that along with others - they deserve their place on the debate.

The Island will prosper in the long run - sure there will be some possible economic downside in the short term - however EU and UK money could offset some of this. So anyone with children - if you want the best for them and their children reunification is what that looks like and with that goes accepting the fact that SF are a main political party north and south.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but the "some possible economic downside" bit is worrying. It took the south 40 years from independence to even make a dent in this downside. The EU sunk us to save the French and German banks in 2010, they haven't a notion of funding us for a decade, let alone 40 years and nor will the UK.

Rossfan

Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2020, 10:24:35 AM
I wonder where those opinion polls were carried out.
Doubtful if Shinners would get 5% here or in most Western or Midland constituencies.

Really?

2016 election - SF First Pref %
Roscommon/Galway - 6.7%;
Donegal - 26.7%;
Sligo/Leitrim - 17.8%;
Mayo - 10.1%;
Galway West - 8.9%;
Galway East - 5.9%;
Longford/Westmeath - 9.5%;
Cavan/Monaghan - 27.1%
Laois - 21.2%;
Offaly - 10.9%.
Would you have the more recent and relevant...2019 figures?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Owenmoresider

Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2020, 02:25:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2020, 10:24:35 AM
I wonder where those opinion polls were carried out.
Doubtful if Shinners would get 5% here or in most Western or Midland constituencies.

Really?

2016 election - SF First Pref %
Roscommon/Galway - 6.7%;
Donegal - 26.7%;
Sligo/Leitrim - 17.8%;
Mayo - 10.1%;
Galway West - 8.9%;
Galway East - 5.9%;
Longford/Westmeath - 9.5%;
Cavan/Monaghan - 27.1%
Laois - 21.2%;
Offaly - 10.9%.
Would you have the more recent and relevant...2019 figures?
Roscommon 7.4%
Galway Co 4.8%
Galway City 5.4%
Mayo 7.4%
Sligo 8.2%
Leitrim 17.2%
Donegal 19.4%
Cavan 12.4%
Monaghan 34.4%
Longford 4.6%
Westmeath 5.8%
Offaly 4.6%
Laois 11.1%

magpie seanie

Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2020, 02:25:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2020, 10:24:35 AM
I wonder where those opinion polls were carried out.
Doubtful if Shinners would get 5% here or in most Western or Midland constituencies.

Really?

2016 election - SF First Pref %
Roscommon/Galway - 6.7%;
Donegal - 26.7%;
Sligo/Leitrim - 17.8%;
Mayo - 10.1%;
Galway West - 8.9%;
Galway East - 5.9%;
Longford/Westmeath - 9.5%;
Cavan/Monaghan - 27.1%
Laois - 21.2%;
Offaly - 10.9%.
Would you have the more recent and relevant...2019 figures?

How about breaking the habit of a lifetime and admitting you were wrong for once? 

Rossfan

How about reading your fellow Sligoman's post.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Eamonnca1

Quote from: five points on January 21, 2020, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 21, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Reunification is coming (even if Leo and FG don't like it) - SF will be central to that along with others - they deserve their place on the debate.

The Island will prosper in the long run - sure there will be some possible economic downside in the short term - however EU and UK money could offset some of this. So anyone with children - if you want the best for them and their children reunification is what that looks like and with that goes accepting the fact that SF are a main political party north and south.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but the "some possible economic downside" bit is worrying. It took the south 40 years from independence to even make a dent in this downside. The EU sunk us to save the French and German banks in 2010, they haven't a notion of funding us for a decade, let alone 40 years and nor will the UK.

The bank guarantee was not the EU's bright idea.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 21, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: WT4E on January 21, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Reunification is coming (even if Leo and FG don't like it) - SF will be central to that along with others - they deserve their place on the debate.

The Island will prosper in the long run - sure there will be some possible economic downside in the short term - however EU and UK money could offset some of this. So anyone with children - if you want the best for them and their children reunification is what that looks like and with that goes accepting the fact that SF are a main political party north and south.

Agreed. But a UI isnt a SF idea. It is aspired to by all nationalist parties on the island, its their view of timing that is different

Indeed. To listen to some Shinners, you'd think that anyone who wants anything short of a UI by midnight tonight is some sort of west-brit, bootlicking, pope-kicking unionist.