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[I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them]

Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?

Morgan
Hampshey
McNamee
Brennan
Harte
Burns
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
McClure
Sludden
Myler
McAliskey
Cavanagh
R Donnelly

C. Cavanagh in his usual role, Burns holding the middle of the defense, Matty Donnelly with a bit of freedom and the 2 wing half forwards working back, pull R Donnelly out to hold the 11 position and leave 2 men up front at all times.

lol what nonsense

Is it too difficult for you to understand? Never mind school starts again next week.

[I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them]

Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

Out of curiosity if you had every player available in Tyrone what would the team you would have started on Sunday been?

Morgan
Hampshey
McNamee
Brennan
Harte
Burns
McCann
Cavanagh
Donnelly
McClure
Sludden
Myler
McAliskey
Cavanagh
R Donnelly

C. Cavanagh in his usual role, Burns holding the middle of the defense, Matty Donnelly with a bit of freedom and the 2 wing half forwards working back, pull R Donnelly out to hold the 11 position and leave 2 men up front at all times.

[I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them]

Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

What about Armagh have they gone backwards too? I'd say Armagh are around the same level they were then and Tyrone beat them by 17/18 points. We have improved from then, there is no doubt.

Unless we play Dublin again next Sunday without the system we wont know how much difference it made. Down in Kerry we tried to push up on them and are backs got cleaned out and we couldn't win the ball.

Is there a possibility that the players aren't good enough to win All Irelands at the minute and the system is getting the most out of them in terms of results?

The players are more than good enough and if Micky cant get the best out of them then its time for him to step aside gracefully. His record in the past is not and never will be up for debate but hes clearly ran put of ideas and is just rehashing old defensive systems and expecting results. Mayo should be an example to Tyrone in how to get the best out of a group of players, Tyrone have equally as talented footballers as Mayo but are using them in the wrong way.

[I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them]

Hard to know where to start with last Sunday. It was a terrible performance and a huge let down. I think everyone expected a lot more from the team. I don't think anyone could question a defeat to the current Dublin team but the performance and what appeared to be almost a lack of effort/guts by a lot of the players was the biggest sickner and will be the hardest thing to recover from.

The usual boys will come on here and slag off Harte and blame everything on him. The same boys were quiet all summer after we won every game comfortably and gave Harte no credit for that. Personally I think Harte is an easy scapegoat for them. 3 years ago we looked miles away from even Donegal after a defeat to Armagh and have improved considerably from then.

There could well be an argument that Harte feels the need to play the system based on the players available. No matter what way you look at it we don't have top class corner backs and top class strong scoring forwards. Other than Colm Cavanagh we lack ball winners as well. I'm not sure any of these players have been available in Tyrone the last few years. So Harte has brought in a system to make use of the countless good running players we have which gives extra protection to the defence and ensures scores from all over the team.

I certainly don't think Harte can escape criticism for Sunday. We played right into Dublin's hands particularly on the kickout's. We did a half press on them which is the worst thing you can do against Dublin. I've no idea how he thought it would work. It meant Dublin always had a free man or two whilst pulling 4 or 5 of our players up the pitch and leaving plenty of space at the back.

I only want Harte to stay on if he is going to alter the system. We have to go back to basics. Players have to become obsessed with winning possession of the ball and move away from marking space. We have to stop inviting the big teams onto us in croke park and hope for turnovers and space to run into. We need to get back to pushing up on kickouts and fighting for possession around the middle.

I'd like to see us almost go back to the tactics of 03. A centre half back who drops back when we don't have the ball to protect the full back line and midfielder who covers in front of him. Half forwards dropping back when we don't have the ball. Other than that operate a much more man for man game were the players have much more individual responsibility and cant hide behind the system.

We need to somehow find two good tight marking corner backs with less focus on them running up the field. Obvious contenders are Brennan, Munroe, Cassidy etc though they all have a lot to prove. We need to find a ball winning midfielder, hopefully McClure can step up in this area. We also need to find a hard working physically strong half forward who can help out round the middle and drop back. I'm not sure if this is the role that best suits Mattie but either way we need to do something to get the best out of him in big games.

Full forward line could be the hardest one to fix. We've lots of similar nice forwards but they all struggle to win their own ball if its kicked in long which would have to be done more often playing a traditional game. I'm not convinced there is a huge number of options outside the current panel that will vastly improve the team in the short term anyway but maybe I'm wrong.

If you cant blame the man who came up with the system and implemented it for 3 years who should we blame. Honestly its the same drivel from you all the time, youre defending the indefensible now. As for not been able to beat Donegal 3 years ago, maybe they have gone backwards and Tyrone have just stayed where they were.

some hysterics and nonsense written on this board. I really wonder how many have actually played football. Sunday was disappointing for everyone but the only reason you would get rid of harte would be to have a new voice in the changing room.

I do not see any of the options put forward changing our style dramatically and certainly not to go all out man for man versus a team like the Dubs, they don't even do that. Its like you are buying in to the joe brolly bulls**t train!

We won ulster and made an AI semi. Ok we got annihilated but they will learn a lot. Harte isn't going to walk away and the county won't sack him can you imagine the outcry nation wide.

Harte is doing the best he can with this bunch, probably is time for change but certainly not as a result of telling mickey to f**k off.

That south tyrone/Fermanagh clown has been silent for the last 2 months then the knives are out.

Sunday was a prof side playing an amateur side. The GAA as a whole should be worried

The mans been there for 15 years. Surely at this stage its time to give someone else a crack at it. According to you whoever else comes in is going to fail straight away. Theres no way of knowing what will happen with a new manager but what we do know for certain is that if Harte stays then the style of defensive football remains and there is no future in it. Maybe another couple of Ulster titles but at what expense, ruining another promising batch of players with defensive crap.

Think my router was blocking it. Changed settings and its working now through the search menu but won't give me any options when I go into the people watching section.

Is anyone else having issues with kodi. I can't access tv shows or movies on covenant. It lets me into the menu but won't bring up anything after that. It's the same on bennu.

Cmac gloves are popular round Ulster, local lad from Clonoe behind them.

[Be a very good footballer]

Sean Cavanagh deserves a huge pat on the back...fantastic servant to Tyrone Football. Who else is likely to go? Justy? McCarron? That's probably it from a young team?

Is that the end of Mickey and Horse? I hope so...a fresh face and voice required. Also...he has no intentions of getting rid of his ultra defensive system if he stays on!!! (according to his BBC interview) Baffling!!!

What difference will a change of system make?

It seems like those championing Harte leave are just looking for change for change's sake.

The one thing that was repeated going down before Sunday was that Tyrone would go toe to toe with Dublin physically and athletically. We were destroyed in those departments. We don't have enough big athletic, quick, talented footballers in the county.

Mark Bradley is a lovely footballer but he's too small for the modern game. If he was playing in Dublin, he wouldn't be looked at because of his height. I had a look through the match programme last year, I don't think I saw one player under 5"11 on the Dublin squad.

As a general rule to make the Dublin squad, you have to be:

5"11 or over
Have supreme pace, power and fitness
Be a very good footballer

No other county has that sort of luxury, Kerry carry a lot of players without the requisite mobility for the modern game. Mayo have a few lads there who lack in certain aspects as do Tyrone.

Should this not be a prerequisite for every county team??? Tyrone have players on the team that might not even make the best club times in the country.  Thankfully Connor Gormley was brave enough to throw himself at a players feet to make his block  in 03 otherwise we might have no all Irelands unlike a certain player who put out his hand and turned his back yesterday (and probably closed his eyes) attempting to make a block for for Dublins first goal. Fortune favours the brave.

He was probably just back from a full length of the field pointless sprint

Keita just signed............. for next year

Is it Aidans McCrorys sole job to run the length of the field from one corner to the other and back again. Im surprised Dean Rock even bothered following him.

That's great news about Skeet?
Has he played much for Clonoe?
How long was he out for in total?

Injured back in January, so out for just under 7 months. Dont think hes been back out for Clonoe yet, open to correction on that.

No he hasnt played for Clonoe since the injury. He is back in full training, some recovery, just hope he isnt coming back too soon. Usually a lot of niggly injuries follow a cruciate injury. Hes certainly young enough and looks after himself well enough to make a full recovery.

Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I thought McCarron was roasted on Saturday. Clarke won every ball in front of him bar one. If Clarke had more help in the forward line it would have stood out more, but hardly any scores came of his ball winning. McCarron has definitley lost a yard and is becoming more of a liability than anything else.

It's not that long since you were saying colm cavanagh was only getting chances on the Tyrone team because he was Sean's brother and Mickey was trying to find a place for Peter harte because he was his nephew. A lot of that talk from the clonoe lads has gone quiet.

Youve been waiting a long time to say that. You feeling better now? God forbid someone would have a different opinion from you or Mickey. When i made those comments Cavanagh was showing no signs of the performances which he is putting in now. When he was an orthodox midfielder he looked completely out of place and probably still would. He is very good in the role in which he is playing now but by fcuk did he get some chances. Peter Harte has developed into one of the best and most consistant footballers in Ireland and fair play to him. Any other issues with Clonoe in general or is it just our outlook on the county team that irks you?

Cuxton
Mc mahon
Mc Namee
Cooper
Mc carthy
O sullivan
Harte
C cavanagh
Fenton
Sludden
Connolly
Mannion
Rock
O callaghan
Donnelly.

However tyrone as a unit are incredibly hard to score against

Don't know where people are putting in Philly Mcmahon?? If any of use have been watching games this year he has been getting a run around. Jack mccarron roasted him on Sunday if it would not of been for clucko he would have got at least a goal to go along with his points. Overrated big time as a man marker

He is a fair bit better than our man markers to be honest. Mc crory is not good enough and mc carron has lost a yard. Always seemed to be a yard behind clarke on saturday.  Just my opinion mind you. I'm assuming you agree with the rest of the selection or do you only worry about corner backs

Is he ? How do you see he is better than McNamee and McCarron? McCrory doesn't even man mark, do you follow Tyrone ? Thought McNamee and McCarron where as good as ever on sat and I know a lot of people would agree with me on that. Tiernan mccann not in your half back line either and dean rock would be no where near my full forward line, only thing the man does is take frees. Poor from play imo

I thought McCarron was roasted on Saturday. Clarke won every ball in front of him bar one. If Clarke had more help in the forward line it would have stood out more, but hardly any scores came of his ball winning. McCarron has definitley lost a yard and is becoming more of a liability than anything else.

[Mattie played very well]

If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.

It wouldn't really worry me in that regard.

I think we went 1-15 to 0-08 up after about 50 minutes and McQuillan seemed to just hand out ridiculous frees for slight contact he wasn't giving up to that point, as Brolly said after the match they were sympathy frees.

A similar thing happened against Donegal, we were 1-15 to 0-06 up after 50 minutes and took our foot off the gas. When games are going like that teams will generally drop their intensity and it can be a challenge like atmosphere. I wouldn't expect us to tail off if games are in the melting pot like that.

Very solid performance. Mattie played very well but his shooting was way off, Sean not at his best yet but I think he still deserves his place, it's more his decision making that has been uncharacteristically off more than signs of age showing so I trust him to turn it around. Who takes over the short and medium range frees from the left if he's dropped in any case.

2-15 from play against Down. 11 different scorers from play.
1-19 from play against Donegal. 11 different scorers from play.

They are highly impressive scoring stats, what I would suspect is that when we play the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry they will target us from deep and use systematic fouling to halt our momentum, they will look to hit us in areas where we still have obvious problems with scoring frees. The effectiveness of this will rely on how well the ref will police it, I think Kerry are by far the biggest proponents of systematic fouling in the game right now as they have serious issues in their back line, they tend to get away with it because they are Kerry and little commentary is afforded to their cynicism.

Really. I thought he was well below par and has been all year. Very lucky not to have been replaced with Cavanagh. Harte had a great game, covered serious ground and took a lot of heavy hits and just kept going.