The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

I went to Palestine 18 years ago. I thought Israel was interested in peace. It took me years to figure out why it isn't. 
When a problem is never resolved you have to understand what is driving it.

Israel is fucked with Holocaust trauma. You cannot move to another part of the world after a genocide and expect kids to grow up normal.

I was reading an article about Svetlana Alexievich who won the 2015 Literature Nobel . There is a reason Israelis are vicious c***ts who don't want peace and it goes back to World war 2 and the death zone where the largest numbers of people were murdered. Timothy snyder wrote a book about the region between belarus Poland and Ukraine called bloodlands.  That is the homeland ofthe ashkénazi Jews so people like Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon. 
27 Million soviet citizens died in WW2. That is unimaginable. 

Alexievich writes about the after effects. Russia is fucked with trauma. So is Israel.  Netanyahu is insane like Putin's insane. And they know how to manipulate their people.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

"The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin's Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."




Ukrainians were blamed for the misery and subjected to harsh requisitions and reprisals that channeled starvation on to their territory, whereas Soviet citizens as a whole were told that collectivization was a grand success hindered only by nationalists and saboteurs.

It was collectivization, along with World War II (known as the "Great Fatherland War"), that created the Soviet Union that people of Alexievich's generation experienced. Both were calamities that were covered in beautiful myths, myths that worked in part because people wanted individual suffering and death to have meaning. Collectivization was said, in retrospect, to have been necessary for victory in war, and victory in war was taken to demonstrate the legitimacy of the system as such.

When we confront, today, the myth of the Great Fatherland War and of Stalin as a good manager, we are hearing not the echoes of the events themselves, but of the memory campaign of the 1970s.

In the towns of the western Soviet Union that Alexievich knew best, urban life was not simply a novelty for some, but a novelty for almost everyone, since prewar urban classes had been destroyed by war, Holocaust, and deportation
Minsk was (and remains) a capital of Soviet nostalgia, where the straw of wartime suffering is spun into the gold of political meaning. No Soviet republic suffered more from the war than Belarus, and its partisans and its "hero cities" became the loci of the cult of remembrance.

She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.""

This is from an Israeli site


https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.780819

Speaking on Channel 2's "Meet the Press," Omer said: "The government has come and taken control of a public broadcasting agency, and the prime minister has decided that he'll appoint the anchors and the editors and the reporters."



"We have become Turkey or Russia," the broadcasting corporation chairman added.0 "

Israel will never get better. Something awful will happen to it.

Poland suffered horrifically during WW2. How do explain them not becoming c***ts?

Good question.
The Polish govt is also authoritarian and paranoid . The twin brother of the president died in a plane crash and the president says it was a conspiracy  The justice system is not up to EU standards.  MeDia are muzzled and there is a huGE controversy over a museum of the Holocaust and what is avceptable as history. Anyone who says Poles killed Jews is a traitor say the Government. Poland is not much better.

[trileacman]

I went to Palestine 18 years ago. I thought Israel was interested in peace. It took me years to figure out why it isn't. 
When a problem is never resolved you have to understand what is driving it.

Israel is fucked with Holocaust trauma. You cannot move to another part of the world after a genocide and expect kids to grow up normal.

I was reading an article about Svetlana Alexievich who won the 2015 Literature Nobel . There is a reason Israelis are vicious c***ts who don't want peace and it goes back to World war 2 and the death zone where the largest numbers of people were murdered. Timothy snyder wrote a book about the region between belarus Poland and Ukraine called bloodlands.  That is the homeland ofthe ashkénazi Jews so people like Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon. 
27 Million soviet citizens died in WW2. That is unimaginable. 

Alexievich writes about the after effects. Russia is fucked with trauma. So is Israel.  Netanyahu is insane like Putin's insane. And they know how to manipulate their people.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

"The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin's Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."




Ukrainians were blamed for the misery and subjected to harsh requisitions and reprisals that channeled starvation on to their territory, whereas Soviet citizens as a whole were told that collectivization was a grand success hindered only by nationalists and saboteurs.

It was collectivization, along with World War II (known as the "Great Fatherland War"), that created the Soviet Union that people of Alexievich's generation experienced. Both were calamities that were covered in beautiful myths, myths that worked in part because people wanted individual suffering and death to have meaning. Collectivization was said, in retrospect, to have been necessary for victory in war, and victory in war was taken to demonstrate the legitimacy of the system as such.

When we confront, today, the myth of the Great Fatherland War and of Stalin as a good manager, we are hearing not the echoes of the events themselves, but of the memory campaign of the 1970s.

In the towns of the western Soviet Union that Alexievich knew best, urban life was not simply a novelty for some, but a novelty for almost everyone, since prewar urban classes had been destroyed by war, Holocaust, and deportation
Minsk was (and remains) a capital of Soviet nostalgia, where the straw of wartime suffering is spun into the gold of political meaning. No Soviet republic suffered more from the war than Belarus, and its partisans and its "hero cities" became the loci of the cult of remembrance.

She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.""

This is from an Israeli site


https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.780819

Speaking on Channel 2's "Meet the Press," Omer said: "The government has come and taken control of a public broadcasting agency, and the prime minister has decided that he'll appoint the anchors and the editors and the reporters."



"We have become Turkey or Russia," the broadcasting corporation chairman added.0 "

Israel will never get better. Something awful will happen to it.

Poland suffered horrifically during WW2. How do explain them not becoming c***ts?

Good question.
The Polish govt is also authoritarian and paranoid . The twin brother of the president died in a plane crash and the president says it was a conspiracy  The justice system is not up to EU standards.  MeDia are muzzled and there is a huGE controversy over a museum of the Holocaust and what is avceptable as history. Anyone who says Poles killed Jews is a traitor say the Government. Poland is not much better.

Poland's is not much better than Israel?

[seafoid]

I went to Palestine 18 years ago. I thought Israel was interested in peace. It took me years to figure out why it isn't. 
When a problem is never resolved you have to understand what is driving it.

Israel is fucked with Holocaust trauma. You cannot move to another part of the world after a genocide and expect kids to grow up normal.

I was reading an article about Svetlana Alexievich who won the 2015 Literature Nobel . There is a reason Israelis are vicious c***ts who don't want peace and it goes back to World war 2 and the death zone where the largest numbers of people were murdered. Timothy snyder wrote a book about the region between belarus Poland and Ukraine called bloodlands.  That is the homeland ofthe ashkénazi Jews so people like Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon. 
27 Million soviet citizens died in WW2. That is unimaginable. 

Alexievich writes about the after effects. Russia is fucked with trauma. So is Israel.  Netanyahu is insane like Putin's insane. And they know how to manipulate their people.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

"The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin's Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."




Ukrainians were blamed for the misery and subjected to harsh requisitions and reprisals that channeled starvation on to their territory, whereas Soviet citizens as a whole were told that collectivization was a grand success hindered only by nationalists and saboteurs.

It was collectivization, along with World War II (known as the "Great Fatherland War"), that created the Soviet Union that people of Alexievich's generation experienced. Both were calamities that were covered in beautiful myths, myths that worked in part because people wanted individual suffering and death to have meaning. Collectivization was said, in retrospect, to have been necessary for victory in war, and victory in war was taken to demonstrate the legitimacy of the system as such.

When we confront, today, the myth of the Great Fatherland War and of Stalin as a good manager, we are hearing not the echoes of the events themselves, but of the memory campaign of the 1970s.

In the towns of the western Soviet Union that Alexievich knew best, urban life was not simply a novelty for some, but a novelty for almost everyone, since prewar urban classes had been destroyed by war, Holocaust, and deportation
Minsk was (and remains) a capital of Soviet nostalgia, where the straw of wartime suffering is spun into the gold of political meaning. No Soviet republic suffered more from the war than Belarus, and its partisans and its "hero cities" became the loci of the cult of remembrance.

She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.""

This is from an Israeli site


https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.780819

Speaking on Channel 2's "Meet the Press," Omer said: "The government has come and taken control of a public broadcasting agency, and the prime minister has decided that he'll appoint the anchors and the editors and the reporters."



"We have become Turkey or Russia," the broadcasting corporation chairman added.0 "

Israel will never get better. Something awful will happen to it.

Poland suffered horrifically during WW2. How do explain them not becoming c***ts?

Good question.
The Polish govt is also authoritarian and paranoid . The twin brother of the president died in a plane crash and the president says it was a conspiracy  The justice system is not up to EU standards.  MeDia are muzzled and there is a huGE controversy over a museum of the Holocaust and what is avceptable as history. Anyone who says Poles killed Jews is a traitor say the Government. Poland is not much better.

Poland's is not much better than Israel?

They all have authoritarian and paranoid leaders. So it's not ideal.
Ireland did very well to stay out of WW2.

[Avondhu star]

I went to Palestine 18 years ago. I thought Israel was interested in peace. It took me years to figure out why it isn't. 
When a problem is never resolved you have to understand what is driving it.

Israel is fucked with Holocaust trauma. You cannot move to another part of the world after a genocide and expect kids to grow up normal.

I was reading an article about Svetlana Alexievich who won the 2015 Literature Nobel . There is a reason Israelis are vicious c***ts who don't want peace and it goes back to World war 2 and the death zone where the largest numbers of people were murdered. Timothy snyder wrote a book about the region between belarus Poland and Ukraine called bloodlands.  That is the homeland ofthe ashkénazi Jews so people like Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon. 
27 Million soviet citizens died in WW2. That is unimaginable. 

Alexievich writes about the after effects. Russia is fucked with trauma. So is Israel.  Netanyahu is insane like Putin's insane. And they know how to manipulate their people.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

"The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin's Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."




Ukrainians were blamed for the misery and subjected to harsh requisitions and reprisals that channeled starvation on to their territory, whereas Soviet citizens as a whole were told that collectivization was a grand success hindered only by nationalists and saboteurs.

It was collectivization, along with World War II (known as the "Great Fatherland War"), that created the Soviet Union that people of Alexievich's generation experienced. Both were calamities that were covered in beautiful myths, myths that worked in part because people wanted individual suffering and death to have meaning. Collectivization was said, in retrospect, to have been necessary for victory in war, and victory in war was taken to demonstrate the legitimacy of the system as such.

When we confront, today, the myth of the Great Fatherland War and of Stalin as a good manager, we are hearing not the echoes of the events themselves, but of the memory campaign of the 1970s.

In the towns of the western Soviet Union that Alexievich knew best, urban life was not simply a novelty for some, but a novelty for almost everyone, since prewar urban classes had been destroyed by war, Holocaust, and deportation
Minsk was (and remains) a capital of Soviet nostalgia, where the straw of wartime suffering is spun into the gold of political meaning. No Soviet republic suffered more from the war than Belarus, and its partisans and its "hero cities" became the loci of the cult of remembrance.

She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.""

This is from an Israeli site


https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.780819

Speaking on Channel 2's "Meet the Press," Omer said: "The government has come and taken control of a public broadcasting agency, and the prime minister has decided that he'll appoint the anchors and the editors and the reporters."



"We have become Turkey or Russia," the broadcasting corporation chairman added.0 "

Israel will never get better. Something awful will happen to it.

Poland suffered horrifically during WW2. How do explain them not becoming c***ts?

You obviously havent studied Polish history.
Polish Communists turned on their fellow countrymen on the orders of Moscow, locked up anyone who questioned the Moscow version of the Katyn Wood massacres, continued a campaign of harassment against democrats throughout the Cold War. Right wing Polish groups target Jews,homosexuals etc.IPolush governments want to dismantle many of the civil protections offered by E.U. membership. It would appear that Poland is not short of c***ts

[give her dixie]

A bad day in Palestine in now continuing into the night.

Today in Gaza a man in his 30s was killed by an Israeli sniper, and several were injured.

In the West Bank hundreds were injured and arrested in protests at Trump's decision.

Then inside the past hour, Israeli/US jets pounded northern Gaza and one man was killed.

25 others were also injued by the airstrikes, including children.

Inside the past 10 minutes, a Palestinian resistance group fired a rocket that has landed on the road in Sedrot.

No one was injured, but you can be sure the Zionists will be back with more bombs to drop on the worlds largest prison.

[give her dixie]

Willy Frazier adds his tuppence worth 

https://www.facebook.com/240233392978809/videos/546759618992850/

[OgraAnDun]

Willy Frazier adds his tuppence worth 

https://www.facebook.com/240233392978809/videos/546759618992850/

Don't think my intellectual capacity would stretch to comprehend the musings of such a well respected expert on international affairs, but I'm just wondering if "the IRA in south Armagh" got a mention?

[give her dixie]

No, the dissidents got a good mention.......

He also said that Trump would have no problem sending over a nuke if we didn't sort our problems out......

If you don't have time, go to 2 30....

His views on Jerusalem, Gods people, and Trump are somewhat enlightening.

Fantastic entertainment on a Friday night if you have had a few drinks and need a laugh.....

[Dash83]

Who would have thought Trump would be so hard to pronounce. Trumpfff...

Willy never sounds like he's all there but even by his standards he sounded like he was steaming

[OgraAnDun]

No, the dissidents got a good mention.......

He also said that Trump would have no problem sending over a nuke if we didn't sort our problems out......

If you don't have time, go to 2 30....

His views on Jerusalem, Gods people, and Trump are somewhat enlightening.

Fantastic entertainment on a Friday night if you have had a few drinks and need a laugh.....

Got to about 1:30 and had to turn it off. Asking where it leaves the peace process if dissidents attack the border posts - believe it or not Wullie, that's what a lot of the discussion has been about lately, that's sort of the point. How this man rose to prominence (even if it is just in his own land of one sided victims and his FB page) is beyond my understanding.

[give her dixie]

No, the dissidents got a good mention.......

He also said that Trump would have no problem sending over a nuke if we didn't sort our problems out......

If you don't have time, go to 2 30....

His views on Jerusalem, Gods people, and Trump are somewhat enlightening.

Fantastic entertainment on a Friday night if you have had a few drinks and need a laugh.....

Got to about 1:30 and had to turn it off. Asking where it leaves the peace process if dissidents attack the border posts - believe it or not Wullie, that's what a lot of the discussion has been about lately, that's sort of the point. How this man rose to prominence (even if it is just in his own land of one sided victims and his FB page) is beyond my understanding.

Ahhh, you have to go to 2 30 for the real entertainment......

[give her dixie]

Who would have thought Trump would be so hard to pronounce. Trumpfff...

Willy never sounds like he's all there but even by his standards he sounded like he was steaming

Loads of people from here say Trumph.

As do Bagatelle   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLGEARa8xk

[OgraAnDun]

No, the dissidents got a good mention.......

He also said that Trump would have no problem sending over a nuke if we didn't sort our problems out......

If you don't have time, go to 2 30....

His views on Jerusalem, Gods people, and Trump are somewhat enlightening.

Fantastic entertainment on a Friday night if you have had a few drinks and need a laugh.....

Got to about 1:30 and had to turn it off. Asking where it leaves the peace process if dissidents attack the border posts - believe it or not Wullie, that's what a lot of the discussion has been about lately, that's sort of the point. How this man rose to prominence (even if it is just in his own land of one sided victims and his FB page) is beyond my understanding.

Ahhh, you have to go to 2 30 for the real entertainment......

Glad I went back to it!  Might be the time to start building the nuclear shelter then. He should also be converting to Judaism if they're his views.

[give her dixie]

No, the dissidents got a good mention.......

He also said that Trump would have no problem sending over a nuke if we didn't sort our problems out......

If you don't have time, go to 2 30....

His views on Jerusalem, Gods people, and Trump are somewhat enlightening.

Fantastic entertainment on a Friday night if you have had a few drinks and need a laugh.....

Got to about 1:30 and had to turn it off. Asking where it leaves the peace process if dissidents attack the border posts - believe it or not Wullie, that's what a lot of the discussion has been about lately, that's sort of the point. How this man rose to prominence (even if it is just in his own land of one sided victims and his FB page) is beyond my understanding.

Ahhh, you have to go to 2 30 for the real entertainment......

Glad I went back to it!  Might be the time to start building the nuclear shelter then. He should also be converting to Judaism if they're his views.

I had a mad yarn with him one day at the weekly flegger protest at City Hall. 

When he started to talk about Palestinian terrorists, I explained with facts that Jewish terror groups killed British troops than Palestinians. 91 dead at the King David Hotel, letter bombs to London, etc......

He was easy wound up and kept saying all Palestinians were terrorists.

I got him good when he said Turkey only send terrorists to Ireland. When I asked him to name one, he stumbled.
So I says, while your stumbling willy, let me tell you about the muslim nation of Turkey sending 5 ships loads of aid to
Ireland during the famine that killed people from all walks of life, and how the British stopped them from docking in Belfast.....

He replied well, they're all terrorists there now, and walked off with his union jack fluttering in the breeze.

The breeze also flowed freely through one ear and out the other such is the absence of a brain in Willys head.....

[seafoid]

Trump made the decision for his evangelical Base.  They believe in the Rapture which is when Jesus will return and hoover up all the believers into heaven from a site in Jerusalem which has to be under Jewish rule according to Scripture . Jews will not be allowed into heaven. There will be signs of the end of the world such as tornados and flooding which is why Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate accord.  If climate change is dealt with the rapture will be postponed.
God bless America