It's rumoured that the county board delegates voted against McGeeney's retention in Newbridge tonight.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2013, 10:21:53 PM
It's rumoured that the county board delegates voted against McGeeney's retention in Newbridge tonight.
no rumour. Gone.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2013, 10:21:53 PM
It's rumoured that the county board delegates voted against McGeeney's retention in Newbridge tonight.
no rumour. Gone.
The county board had asked the local reporters to leave.
Edit: confirmed now.
Ah well, not surprised but disappointed.
Cian O'Neill come on home!!!!
By 1 vote!
Canavan?
Where can I download this Kildare Manager 2014 thing? Is it available on the iPhone?
Oh wait, hang on...
Quote from: FermGael on September 03, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
Canavan?
Cummulator bet 20,000,000 to 1
Canavan to Kildare
Wee James to Donegal
McGuinness to Fermanagh
Geezer to Down
Clubs voted him out, is that the way it is?
He must have known the writing was on the wall when Seánie went back to Cavan.
Also I hope the County Board thank Kieran for what has been a fantastic 6 years in the development of the Kildare Senior set-up. His legacy will be hopefully the structures, the attitude and the commitment required to compete at the top level. Hopefully this will only be end of the beginning and our next step delivers on our youthful promise.
Best of luck to Kieran, he will deliver success, that I have no doubt.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 03, 2013, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:02 PM
Clubs voted him out, is that the way it is?
Correct.
I thought the clubs (in most counties) Vote for a manager to be nominated then the county pick them, this seems a better system, as teh county don't get the blame ;) 'The clubs picked him not us'
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2013, 10:33:29 PM
Also I hope the County Board thank Kieran for what has been a fantastic 6 years in the development of the Kildare Senior set-up. His legacy will be hopefully the structures, the attitude and the commitment required to compete at the top level. Hopefully this will only be end of the beginning and our next step delivers on our youthful promise.
Best of luck to Kieran, he will deliver success, that I have no doubt.
He has to be commended for the professionalism and organisation he has brought to Kildare. He put his heart into the job and was particularly unlucky in 2010 and 2011. Kildare are the better for his involvement but I believe that the time is right for a change.
So who is the second-longest manager after Mickey Harte now?
Well that's a right kick in the nads for Geezer!
Mc Geeney should have more ambition than managing mediocrities like Kildare,with whom he was denied an All Ireland Final appearance in 2010 by Pat Mc Eneaney's inability to spot a square ball in semi final.
Won nothing, beat no one of note and made a mockery of the gaa and hurling in his county. I'm struggling to see what it is everyone is so thankful about. I wouldn't want him managing my county.
"@EmmetBolton: 58 club delegates who have never seen us train went into a room tonight and decided what was best for us. They totally disregarded our 1/2
@EmmetBolton: Opinions over the last couple of weeks. A disgraceful way to treat a man who put so much heart and effort into Kildare football. 2/2"
Quote from: Itchy on September 03, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
Won nothing, beat no one of note and made a mockery of the gaa and hurling in his county. I'm struggling to see what it is everyone is so thankful about. I wouldn't want him managing my county.
All those years captaining Armagh and the fecker was from Kildare all along. Might have made the difference in 98 if we'd known.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 03, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Mc Geeney should have more ambition than managing mediocrities like Kildare,with whom he was denied an All Ireland Final appearance in 2010 by Pat Mc Eneaney's inability to spot a square ball in semi final.
Can't see Mickey Harte stepping down from Tyrone any time soon.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 03, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Mc Geeney should have more ambition than managing mediocrities like Kildare,with whom he was denied an All Ireland Final appearance in 2010 by Pat Mc Eneaney's inability to spot a square ball in semi final.
Can't see Mickey Harte stepping down from Tyrone any time soon.
Who then? Wait on the Kerry gig? Move sideways to Meath?
He wouldn't touch Armagh, he's looking for his next big project.
Quote from: trileacman on September 03, 2013, 11:31:25 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 03, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 03, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Mc Geeney should have more ambition than managing mediocrities like Kildare,with whom he was denied an All Ireland Final appearance in 2010 by Pat Mc Eneaney's inability to spot a square ball in semi final.
Can't see Mickey Harte stepping down from Tyrone any time soon.
Who then? Wait on the Kerry gig? Move sideways to Meath?
He wouldn't touch Armagh, he's looking for his next big project.
Cork?
A bluffer! Sad to see him go... Only because thr flowerbag are no treat with him.
gudluck!
Kieran should follow Micko's example and travel another 30 miles down the road to Portlaoise. We share a dream !
Why are the Kildare players acting as if he was managing them out of the goodness of his heart? He should be putting in nothing less than a colossal effort given the payment he was rumored to be getting.
Some would say that he did put in a colossal effort, got 100% buy-in from the players and supporters and maybe Lady Luck just was not on their side. Dunno about the money involved.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on September 04, 2013, 12:06:17 AM
Some would say that he did put in a colossal effort, got 100% buy-in from the players and supporters and maybe Lady Luck just was not on their side. Dunno about the money involved.
The work he put in behind the scenes for fundraising and sponsorship went above and beyond. He was central to securing the Brady's Ham sponsorship deal earlier this year.
What happens if the players decide they want Mc Geeney back and to hell with the club delegates who ddn't consult us and it was only a very slim majority that wanted him out ?
I can see this story running for a while.
Quote from: orangeman on September 04, 2013, 12:42:38 AM
What happens if the players decide they want Mc Geeney back and to hell with the club delegates who ddn't consult us and it was only a very slim majority that wanted him out ?
I can see this story running for a while.
McGeeney himself will put pay to anything like that happening.
I suppose you could say,Mc Geeney brought Kildare Ham,when they really wanted Sam!
Four good progressive years followed by two years of stagnation / regression.
Seeing Dublin beat Kerry to lift Sam in 2011, knowing they were very close to them, should have been the catalyst for a proper challenge for Sam in 2012 and a genuine belief that they could do it.
The Seanie Johnston debacle has to be mentioned. It was flat out cheating in my mind, bringing a player in who had no links with the county, and initially had no intention of working in the county, living in the county or playing club football in the county. I've no idea how much of an involvement McGeeney had in that, or whether it impacted on their 2012 performances, but it certainly didnt help.
So in 2011 after being the equal of Donegal and only losing narrowly to the Dubs, in 2012 they get a 6 point thumping from Meath and get completely annihilated by Cork. Then in 2013 again, no real improvement and they're back to being also-rans.
He clearly did a lot of good for Kildare GAA, but I can understand them thinking a new face at the top might improve things.
I wonder if Im the only one hoping he puts his feet up for a year and then takes over Armagh next year? Or joins Grinley's coaching staff with that in mind?
Had the meeting taken place last week, he'd have comfortably survived. There was a lot of momentum and bit of a push to oust him in recent days. 2 delegates changed their mind at the meeting last night. Seanie Johnston saga effectively cost him his job as that was worh at least one vote, Id imagine it was a factor in many more going against him. He also never endeared himself to many of the clubs, particularly the big clubs, by pulling players for country league games at last minute as they had junior county challenge match a few days later. Clubs stood up for themselves against the county board on this one. Sorry to see him go. He put in a huge effort , brought Kildare to a new level. Anyone who doubts this should take a look at the results from 03-07 before he joined. Getting trimmings off likes of Laois and Offaly. Laois were so envious of Kildare that they appointed a McGeeneylite to try boost their standing.He never had enough quality within the squad to win an AI or topple the Dubs and sadly for Geezer, he leaves at atime when there appear to be real quality players coming through. Wish him all the best and maybe he may return some day.
Have posted this before. In years to come McGeeney's contribution to Kildare football will be acclaiimed. They are a coming force and definitely should imvho win an AI or two in the next decade.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 03, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
"@EmmetBolton: 58 club delegates who have never seen us train went into a room tonight and decided what was best for us. They totally disregarded our 1/2
@EmmetBolton: Opinions over the last couple of weeks. A disgraceful way to treat a man who put so much heart and effort into Kildare football. 2/2"
This is it in a nutshell.
The Kildare players need to understand that training is a means to an end.
It's what happens on the field that counts, not how many pull-ups you can do.
Jinxy that is proper thinking.
Are the delegates not acting on behalf of the clubs that there players are from? Now I know some delegates think that they, like De Valera, can look into their hearts and see what's best for their people but by-and-large they are simply reflecting the wishes of the clubs.
If you ignore the wishes of the club(s) then where do you go from there?
Clubs obviously were looking at the funds spent in the past 6 years - the embarrassing bail-out/funds in advance (call it what you like) that Kildare had to get last year from central council and compared that to the lack of measureable success in the senior grade and said feck this.
Democracy in action.
Not saying they will now get anyone better than McGeeney but, to paraphrase the late great Frank Cluskey (who ripped it off an American politician who's name escapes me) "the clubs have spoken, the b**tards"!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2013, 11:44:44 AM
Are the delegates not acting on behalf of the clubs that there players are from? Now I know some delegates think that they, like De Valera, can look into their hearts and see what's best for their people but by-and-large they are simply reflecting the wishes of the clubs.
If you ignore the wishes of the club(s) then where do you go from there?
Clubs obviously were looking at the funds spent in the past 6 years - the embarrassing bail-out/funds in advance (call it what you like) that Kildare had to get last year from central council and compared that to the lack of measureable success in the senior grade and said feck this.
Democracy in action.
Not saying they will now get anyone better than McGeeney but, to paraphrase the late great Frank Cluskey (who ripped it off an American politician who's name escapes me) "the clubs have spoken, the b**tards"!
The Kildare team raised all their own funds, they even built their own GYM. McGeeney's expenses are not considerable. The clubs pay a Levy on Hawkfield, Kildare COE, which is used by all development teams and senior football, hurling and camoige teams.
The clubs gripe is player access particularly the large clubs. This is coup d'etat by the senior clubs. The same in-house political bickering that has held Kildare back for 50 years.
Kildare GAA Statement - Kieran McGeeney
Kildare GAA
Kildare GAA would like to extend their thanks to Kieran McGeeney for his 6 years in charge of the senior football team. During this time the team appeared in 5 consecutive quarter-finals and one semi-final bringing huge enjoyment to Kildare supporters as the profile of football in the county grew considerably. There were many great days in Croke Park and while a Leinster title eluded us in 2009, few could forget the wonderful contest that was served up by Kildare and Dublin on the day. The team played an exciting brand of football which thrilled their supporters and brought great joy to the county as a whole. A fingertip save denied the Lilies an appearance in the 2010 All Ireland final, while some dubious calls in 2011 cost us another semi-final appearance.
Kieran McGeeney introduced an unprecedented level of professionalism to everything he did and he instilled a great work ethic in his players during his six years in charge. He worked tirelessly throughout this time for the betterment of Kildare GAA, assisting in fundraising and the negotiation of various sponsorship deals, as well as liaising with the county coaching officers to put a structure in place that would help the county to achieve success down the line.
He brought a huge level of desire and passion to his role, while his honesty and integrity marked him out as a man who commanded huge respect from all who worked with him. He was served well during his 6 years by his different backroom teams, all of whom will have been enriched by their experience of working with him.
Kieran displayed a huge loyalty to his players and Kildare GAA throughout his 6 years in charge and he has undoubtedly made a great impression on all who soldiered under him. Many of these players were individually recognised by Leinster, International Rules and All Star selection committees during Kieran's reign and they would undoubtedly acknowledge the huge role he played in them achieving those individual accolades.
Two O'Byrne Cup titles and a Division 2 National League may be the only silverware to show during his reign, but Kieran McGeeney has undoubtedly left Kildare football in a far better place than when he started and we thank him for all of his hard work and intelligent insight during his time in charge. He has raised both the standard and the profile of Kildare GAA and we wish him well in the future and trust that he will have fond memories of his 6 years in charge of the Lilies.
Always have admired Geezer and it is obvious he puts 100% into everything he does. I felt his decision making in the Tyrone game in the 2nd half was poor. Tactically he appeared one dimensional and taking O'Connor off that day was the wrong decision.
Glad to see the back of him. I don't believe he did half as much for Kildare as people are saying and in the end of the day it is a results game and 6 six years and no Leinster is the legacy. His involvment in the farce that was the Seanie Johnston affair also leaves a sour taste and I think it was for the good of the GAA that that episode blew up in both their faces. I imagine Kildare will do just fine without him and Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA and club delegates represent them.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2013, 11:44:44 AM
Are the delegates not acting on behalf of the clubs that there players are from? Now I know some delegates think that they, like De Valera, can look into their hearts and see what's best for their people but by-and-large they are simply reflecting the wishes of the clubs.
If you ignore the wishes of the club(s) then where do you go from there?
Clubs obviously were looking at the funds spent in the past 6 years - the embarrassing bail-out/funds in advance (call it what you like) that Kildare had to get last year from central council and compared that to the lack of measureable success in the senior grade and said feck this.
Democracy in action.
Not saying they will now get anyone better than McGeeney but, to paraphrase the late great Frank Cluskey (who ripped it off an American politician who's name escapes me) "the clubs have spoken, the b**tards"!
The Kildare team raised all their own funds, they even built their own GYM. McGeeney's expenses are not considerable. The clubs pay a Levy on Hawkfield, Kildare COE, which is used by all development teams and senior football, hurling and camoige teams.
The clubs gripe is player access particularly the large clubs. This is coup d'etat by the senior clubs. The same in-house political bickering that has held Kildare back for 50 years.
It's as much to do with the ineptitude of the county board. They ceded too much power to McGeeney and always seemed terrified of pissing him off. They're the same crowd who who want the clubs to bail them out and who have buried their heads in the sand over the past few years - finances, state of St Conleth's, Johnston. A penny for Padraig Ashe's thoughts right now.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2013, 12:22:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2013, 11:44:44 AM
Are the delegates not acting on behalf of the clubs that there players are from? Now I know some delegates think that they, like De Valera, can look into their hearts and see what's best for their people but by-and-large they are simply reflecting the wishes of the clubs.
If you ignore the wishes of the club(s) then where do you go from there?
Clubs obviously were looking at the funds spent in the past 6 years - the embarrassing bail-out/funds in advance (call it what you like) that Kildare had to get last year from central council and compared that to the lack of measureable success in the senior grade and said feck this.
Democracy in action.
Not saying they will now get anyone better than McGeeney but, to paraphrase the late great Frank Cluskey (who ripped it off an American politician who's name escapes me) "the clubs have spoken, the b**tards"!
The Kildare team raised all their own funds, they even built their own GYM. McGeeney's expenses are not considerable. The clubs pay a Levy on Hawkfield, Kildare COE, which is used by all development teams and senior football, hurling and camoige teams.
The clubs gripe is player access particularly the large clubs. This is coup d'etat by the senior clubs. The same in-house political bickering that has held Kildare back for 50 years.
It's as much to do with the ineptitude of the county board. They ceded too much power to McGeeney and always seemed terrified of pissing him off. They're the same crowd who who want the clubs to bail them out and who have buried their heads in the sand over the past few years - finances, state of St Conleth's, Johnston. A penny for Padraig Ashe's thoughts right now.
Still a political decision DH, the clubs elect the county officials they can't be exonerated from the mess and seem quite happy to lay it all on the feet of McGeeney as if changing manager is going to cause the mess to go away.
A disgruntled squad, a CB currently struggling to manage debts, whinging clubs, supporters with a ludicrous sense of self-entitlement, a lack of goodwill from outside the county (thanks Seanie) we need an intervention from Ban Ki-moon before any engagement can be made on deciding the process for finding the best manager for Kildare.
A debacle of Meath proportions.
Think the new manager will need Johnny Doyle to hang in for another season. Losing potentially 2 players to AFl will be a blow for the season ahead too.
Wouldn't have any grudge against Kildare regardless of the Johnston transfer, and hope they win a Leinster title in the next few years.
Is Johnny Doyle a lock to retire now? He went to bat for Geezer after the season ended.
Really seems like the wrong time for the change and the discontent in the camp and the clubs ignoring what the players themselves wanted makes for a toxic off-season.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 03, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
"@EmmetBolton: 58 club delegates who have never seen us train went into a room tonight and decided what was best for us. They totally disregarded our 1/2
@EmmetBolton: Opinions over the last couple of weeks. A disgraceful way to treat a man who put so much heart and effort into Kildare football. 2/2"
Totally disregarded the players opinions????? This smacks of complete and utter arrogance.
How about the delegates took all opnions on board and decided that 6 years of McGeeneys management had brought Kildare as far as he could.
Emmet Bolton appears to think that "their opinions" should be the decision and that they are the ones who should be making the decision??
I think its the correct decision - surprised he didn't step down himself.
I felt they were very unlucky for a couple of years where they didn't make the breakthrough but I think now it the perfect time to move on. I don't think the board treated McGeeney poorly.
Seemingly, according to a press release from the GPA, the Kildare players (seniors only I assume, I dunno) are meeting tonight to discuss the situation.
*Pulls up chair to await developments*
He got Kildare very fit and for a while that was nearly enough.
However, the team lacks real pace and it doesn't matter if you can run all day if you're being beaten to the ball every time.
It's not about height around the middle 3rd anymore, it's about speed and power.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
What are they I wonder??
Are you one of those lads who think that the GAA would be a far better organisation if they weren't taking up so much time playing bloody games ? :-*
As someone said 4 years of progress followed by 2 years of stagnation incorporating the Seanie J fiasco ( which to me brought Kildare GAA into desrepute) and the "bail out" meant there was going to be a heave at some stage.
Is there a Plan B or is it just club delegates flexing their muscles "because we can" to show who's in charge and a bit like the 2011 General Election .... errr what now?
Glen Ryan in pole position I presume follwed by .......??
Quote from: orangeman on September 04, 2013, 12:42:38 AM
What happens if the players decide they want Mc Geeney back and to hell with the club delegates who ddn't consult us and it was only a very slim majority that wanted him out ?
I can see this story running for a while.
I reckon this "meeting" of the players wont simply conclude with the players saying they're happy enough, that the county board meeting was all above board and that the matter is at an end and that they look forward to working with a new manager.
The phones will be hot today.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
What are they I wonder??
Are you one of those lads who think that the GAA would be a far better organisation if they weren't taking up so much time playing bloody games ? :-*
As someone said 4 years of progress followed by 2 years of stagnation incorporating the Seanie J fiasco ( which to me brought Kildare GAA into desrepute) and the "bail out" meant there was going to be a heave at some stage.
Is there a Plan B or is it just club delegates flexing their muscles "because we can" to show who's in charge and a bit like the 2011 General Election .... errr what now?
Glen Ryan in pole position I presume follwed by .......??
I know Glen and don't really want to second guess him but he has a young family and probably needs a year to recharge his batteries. However if someone came calling I don't think he would turn it down.
Other Kildare contenders would be Cian O'Neill, Anthony Rainbow, Brian Murphy and Brian Lacey (yes aware originally from Cork and Tipp respectively).
If it was a Kildare man I'd plump for O'Neill.
Outside candidates that would interest me would be Tony McEntee or Jack O'Connor.
Quote from: BartSimpson on September 03, 2013, 11:41:04 PM
A bluffer! Sad to see him go... Only because thr flowerbag are no treat with him.
gudluck!
Ehhh? could you write this again in English?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
What are they I wonder??
Are you one of those lads who think that the GAA would be a far better organisation if they weren't taking up so much time playing bloody games ? :-*
As someone said 4 years of progress followed by 2 years of stagnation incorporating the Seanie J fiasco ( which to me brought Kildare GAA into desrepute) and the "bail out" meant there was going to be a heave at some stage.
Is there a Plan B or is it just club delegates flexing their muscles "because we can" to show who's in charge and a bit like the 2011 General Election .... errr what now?
Glen Ryan in pole position I presume follwed by .......??
Not sure whether you are having a go with me or not as I simply don't understand what your first two lines are about.
My point is that the senior county players are an important part of the set up of any county but the club players, underage players, groundsmen etc etc are just as important and deserve a say in how the county is run. That's why clubs have delegates and they vote accordingly.
McGeeney was up to his neck in the Seanie Johnston affair and everyone knows it. The whole thing was a farce on so many levels and I'm glad for Kildare they are rid of hopefully both of them. I just hope neither come anywhere near Cavan.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
What are they I wonder??
Are you one of those lads who think that the GAA would be a far better organisation if they weren't taking up so much time playing bloody games ? :-*
As someone said 4 years of progress followed by 2 years of stagnation incorporating the Seanie J fiasco ( which to me brought Kildare GAA into desrepute) and the "bail out" meant there was going to be a heave at some stage.
Is there a Plan B or is it just club delegates flexing their muscles "because we can" to show who's in charge and a bit like the 2011 General Election .... errr what now?
Glen Ryan in pole position I presume follwed by .......??
I know Glen and don't really want to second guess him but he has a young family and probably needs a year to recharge his batteries. However if someone came calling I don't think he would turn it down.
Other Kildare contenders would be Cian O'Neill, Anthony Rainbow, Brian Murphy and Brian Lacey (yes aware originally from Cork and Tipp respectively).
If it was a Kildare man I'd plump for O'Neill.
Outside candidates that would interest me would be Tony McEntee or Jack O'Connor.
If Carlow in Mullingar this year were an accurate reflection of Rainbow I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. I'd agree that Cian O'Neill would be the ideal man for the job Dinny.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 04, 2013, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
What are they I wonder??
Are you one of those lads who think that the GAA would be a far better organisation if they weren't taking up so much time playing bloody games ? :-*
As someone said 4 years of progress followed by 2 years of stagnation incorporating the Seanie J fiasco ( which to me brought Kildare GAA into desrepute) and the "bail out" meant there was going to be a heave at some stage.
Is there a Plan B or is it just club delegates flexing their muscles "because we can" to show who's in charge and a bit like the 2011 General Election .... errr what now?
Glen Ryan in pole position I presume follwed by .......??
I know Glen and don't really want to second guess him but he has a young family and probably needs a year to recharge his batteries. However if someone came calling I don't think he would turn it down.
Other Kildare contenders would be Cian O'Neill, Anthony Rainbow, Brian Murphy and Brian Lacey (yes aware originally from Cork and Tipp respectively).
If it was a Kildare man I'd plump for O'Neill.
Outside candidates that would interest me would be Tony McEntee or Jack O'Connor.
If Carlow in Mullingar this year were an accurate reflection of Rainbow I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. I'd agree that Cian O'Neill would be the ideal man for the job Dinny.
A management team of Horan, McGuinness, Gilroy and O'Connor couldn't turn Carlow into a football team. The culture down there is shocking.
But Rainbow would not be my choice, very inexperienced and too bloody nice.
As an Armagh man I have always admired Mcgeeney the man and the player. He proved that in any sport hard work and perserverance pays. He also proved the point that for every Oisin or Stevie you need a Geezer. Kildare's problem is they had a few Geezers but no Oisin or Stevie...
There will be all out war when Sos or Ronan Quinn are appointed!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 04:04:05 PM
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Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
Not sure whether you are having a go with me or not as I simply don't understand what your first two lines are about.
My point is that the
senior county players are an important part of the set up of any county but the club players, underage players, groundsmen .
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A bit clearer now. Your original just mentioned players ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 04:23:35 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 04, 2013, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 03:45:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
Emmet Bolton and his like need to remember that while the players are important, there are other just as important elements within the GAA
What are they I wonder??
Are you one of those lads who think that the GAA would be a far better organisation if they weren't taking up so much time playing bloody games ? :-*
As someone said 4 years of progress followed by 2 years of stagnation incorporating the Seanie J fiasco ( which to me brought Kildare GAA into desrepute) and the "bail out" meant there was going to be a heave at some stage.
Is there a Plan B or is it just club delegates flexing their muscles "because we can" to show who's in charge and a bit like the 2011 General Election .... errr what now?
Glen Ryan in pole position I presume follwed by .......??
I know Glen and don't really want to second guess him but he has a young family and probably needs a year to recharge his batteries. However if someone came calling I don't think he would turn it down.
Other Kildare contenders would be Cian O'Neill, Anthony Rainbow, Brian Murphy and Brian Lacey (yes aware originally from Cork and Tipp respectively).
If it was a Kildare man I'd plump for O'Neill.
Outside candidates that would interest me would be Tony McEntee or Jack O'Connor.
If Carlow in Mullingar this year were an accurate reflection of Rainbow I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. I'd agree that Cian O'Neill would be the ideal man for the job Dinny.
A management team of Horan, McGuinness, Gilroy and O'Connor couldn't turn Carlow into a football team. The culture down there is shocking.
But Rainbow would not be my choice, very inexperienced and too bloody nice.
That certainly struck me in Mullingar. He was moving amongst them as if he was one of them, not as their leader. The warmup and drills were Junior B club standard. Not to mention the lack of tactical awareness.
Kildare were very poor this year.
There was no tactical guile on view whatsoever. Mayo would not have been the best in this department in the past but when Tyrone started closing down their forwards they weren't long in changing tack. And that's the difference between McGeeney and Horan.
In 2010 the teams were more or less at the same level.
As a Galway hurling fan I have extensive experience of managers who don't go anywhere with the team. McGeeney should have gone last year. He could still run the development squads but the seniors need someone different.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2013, 04:32:46 PM
There will be all out war when Sos or Ronan Quinn are appointed!
SOS no thanks, Quinn is an unknown and if Confey go all the way then ya never know.
The fear for me is Luke Dempsey!!!!
Out of curiosity, where do Kildare rank when it comes to spending on senior teams's preparations ? Is that data published anywhere for all counties ?.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2013, 04:32:46 PM
There will be all out war when Sos or Ronan Quinn are appointed!
SOS no thanks, Quinn is an unknown and if Confey go all the way then ya never know.
The fear for me is Luke Dempsey!!!!
McGeeney always spoke highly of Alan Barry!!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 04, 2013, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2013, 04:32:46 PM
There will be all out war when Sos or Ronan Quinn are appointed!
SOS no thanks, Quinn is an unknown and if Confey go all the way then ya never know.
The fear for me is Luke Dempsey!!!!
McGeeney always spoke highly of Alan Barry!!
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Heard today, McGeeney is heading to Cork and Canavan will be taking over the reins
Quote from: Last Man on September 04, 2013, 05:17:11 PM
Heard today, McGeeney is heading to Cork and Canavan will be taking over the reins
Fair decent squad in Cork.
Frank and him will get on well.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on September 04, 2013, 11:44:44 AM
Are the delegates not acting on behalf of the clubs that there players are from? Now I know some delegates think that they, like De Valera, can look into their hearts and see what's best for their people but by-and-large they are simply reflecting the wishes of the clubs.
If you ignore the wishes of the club(s) then where do you go from there?
Clubs obviously were looking at the funds spent in the past 6 years - the embarrassing bail-out/funds in advance (call it what you like) that Kildare had to get last year from central council and compared that to the lack of measureable success in the senior grade and said feck this.
Democracy in action.
Not saying they will now get anyone better than McGeeney but, to paraphrase the late great Frank Cluskey (who ripped it off an American politician who's name escapes me) "the clubs have spoken, the b**tards"!
For my sins, I spent one year on the Down County Board, and it changed my perspective forever.
The bit that had previously escaped me (and now I notice also escapes the majority) is that a County Board is not a law unto itself. It's simply a vehicle for clubs to propose, then agree on decisions and processes. Don't get me wrong, the top table have sway; they have the microphones, they have the opportunity to seed and influence in advance. And there are some reps who will get influenced against their club's wishes. There's probably even some in every county who'll happily be bought.
Close run things, when a couple of votes is all the difference, will always raise eyebrows. But if the majority of the clubs in a county want something to happen, then it's going to happen.
- - - -
Hound summed up McGeeney's tenure perfectly above.
Reviews are inevitable with every County Board, and given the levels of investment and levels of control McGeeney enjoyed, his reviews were going to be sterner. After a great start, the two years of stagnation were those fresh in the memory.
Ronan Quinn- are you insane? He got a team with huge population to a league final and county q final...nothing more. If you are taking any note of club route, Mark Brophy would be streets ahead of him but it wont go a club manager. Glenn Ryan the obvious choice.
I'm thinking silk purse sows ear...
Come home geezer make armagh great again
Quote from: lawnseed on September 04, 2013, 06:47:17 PM
I'm thinking silk purse sows ear...
Come home geezer make armagh great again
Those two sentences are in the wrong order there Lawnseed. ;)
I actually think Kildare will drop away after this, he got the best out of what he had, lost a good player who is working in Galway, the Johnston thing did not work out, I cant understand why Kildare struggle in the funding stakes, its a big county, and driving though it 2 weeks ago, the place is full of horse breeders, though u may have alot of dublin blow ins lol, Kildare is one county who should not have money problems
Quotethe place is full of horse breeders
the money is gone out of that now that the burger boys were caught
Am I right in thinking Kildare only reached 1 Leinster final in the 6 years he was there? To be honest that is not a great record for a big (albeit success starved) football county. Granted they often did relatively well in the qualifiers.
I dunno. The players seem to love him but 6 years is a fair old spell to have in any county. If you haven't made the breakthrough by then is it really going to happen in year 7, 8 or 9? Hard to answer that one.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2013, 08:07:33 PM
Am I right in thinking Kildare only reached 1 Leinster final in the 6 years he was there? To be honest that is not a great record for a big (albeit success starved) football county. Granted they often did relatively well in the qualifiers.
I dunno. The players seem to love him but 6 years is a fair old spell to have in any county. If you haven't made the breakthrough by then is it really going to happen in year 7, 8 or 9? Hard to answer that one.
Given the youth breaking into the squad and the high esteem he's held in by the players the prudent thing would have been to keep him on for 2014. Kildare have only succeeded in creating a drama now.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2013, 08:07:33 PM
Am I right in thinking Kildare only reached 1 Leinster final in the 6 years he was there? To be honest that is not a great record for a big (albeit success starved) football county. Granted they often did relatively well in the qualifiers.
I dunno. The players seem to love him but 6 years is a fair old spell to have in any county. If you haven't made the breakthrough by then is it really going to happen in year 7, 8 or 9? Hard to answer that one.
Yes only 2009 final:Dubs 2-15 Kildare 0-18.
Big losers are irish independent. Who will they talk about now if Kildare go backwards. They will have to find a new cause to Hype or Martin Brehony will have to put more mindless lists in the paper.
I just listened to a discussion about the 'sacking' on Newstalk. I just couldn't understand the disbelief expressed that this could actually happen. It was akin to discussing the crucifixion of a deity after a sham trial.
Kildare were not exactly in the dumps before he came, no doubt he put in a lot of work, had some good years where Kildare got close and 'coulda gone all the way', then he's had 2 years where not much has happened. Maybe he had a strong case for staying but it's not such a shock that others don't see that argument.
WHERE WILL KILDARE GET THERE WATER NOW ? :(
Quote from: goal 10 on September 04, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
WHERE WILL KILDARE GET THERE WATER NOW ? :(
Poulaphouca.
Quote from: goal 10 on September 04, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
WHERE WILL KILDARE GET THERE WATER NOW ? :(
How's the school for the deaf working out?
I'd say he's more worried about will they ever pay him!!!!
Best comment I've seen today on the subject is from an unnamed highly respected former Down club chairman.
"Kildare must have run out of cabbages."
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 04, 2013, 08:36:42 PM
Big losers are irish independent. Who will they talk about now if Kildare go backwards. They will have to find a new cause to Hype or Martin Brehony will have to put more mindless lists in the paper.
Plan B will be the Dubs wiping the floor with Mayo in the first 15 mins of the final wining by the record Margins Kerry used to love to put up against Mayo in the middle of the last decade! The Dubs are supreme will give way to the Mayo God help us opinion pieces from McGee and Brehony !! ;)
Kildare are shocking, really.
A well regarded fuball county that only won one all Ireland in the last 70 years between minor, club, under 21 and senior
I think that must be the worst record of the counties that take the game seriously. Even Ros won minor and club all Irelands.
There must be desperate county board messing and psychological issues at play going back generations.
Quote from: seafoid on September 04, 2013, 10:58:03 PM
Kildare are shocking, really.
A well regarded fuball county that only won one all Ireland in the last 70 years between minor, club, under 21 and senior
I think that must be the worst record of the counties that take the game seriously. Even Ros won minor and club all Irelands.
There must be desperate county board messing and psychological issues at play going back generations.
We've also won countless provincial titles and two U21 AIs, you tube >:(
Lets face it folks. The Kildare county board couldn't sustain the payment of a full time manager anymore. A manager who was costing them a clean feckin fortune
Quote from: ck on September 04, 2013, 11:04:44 PM
Lets face it folks. The Kildare county board couldn't sustain the payment of a full time manager anymore. A manager who was costing them a clean feckin fortune
Why on earth was the chairman of said county board the one pushing for his reappointment then?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 04, 2013, 11:20:00 PM
Quote from: ck on September 04, 2013, 11:04:44 PM
Lets face it folks. The Kildare county board couldn't sustain the payment of a full time manager anymore. A manager who was costing them a clean feckin fortune
Why on earth was the chairman of said county board the one pushing for his reappointment then?
DH, why bother?
Money didn't buy success here. Kildare need to invest in their youth not a county manager. Glen Ryan's the man
Quote from: Main Street on September 04, 2013, 08:44:40 PM
I just listened to a discussion about the 'sacking' on Newstalk. I just couldn't understand the disbelief expressed that this could actually happen. It was akin to discussing the crucifixion of a deity after a sham trial.
Kildare were not exactly in the dumps before he came, no doubt he put in a lot of work, had some good years where Kildare got close and 'coulda gone all the way', then he's had 2 years where not much has happened. Maybe he had a strong case for staying but it's not such a shock that others don't see that argument.
Off the Ball take the players side on pretty much every issue.
It's quite prudent really.
No doubt they'll get a few juicy interviews out of it.
Kildare lads!
I'm getting restless here waiting for the players' press release.
Are they still holed up in some hotel or are we looking at this
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According to @kfmradio, Kildare player statement will now be released closer to midday
They've edited it a few times...
They had to buy toner for the photocopier.
Albert Einstein's definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I can't understand the furore about this. It's not like Kildare are casting him aside without giving him a chance. He has made some improvement in the team but can't get them over the line. The important thing is that Kildare make a progressive appointment and someone who can push on what McGeeney has done.
Mickey Harte won 3 All Irelands in 6 years (should have left it at that as well I feel!) It's more than long enough for McGeeney to have won something of note!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 05, 2013, 11:21:26 AM
They had to buy toner for the photocopier.
The sponsors have already bailed out on them.
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/09/05/way-voting-went/ (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/09/05/way-voting-went/)
What must Seán Brady think of all this?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 05, 2013, 01:42:14 PM
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/09/05/way-voting-went/ (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/09/05/way-voting-went/)
Two things.
What are abstentions about ? Why cant people vote one way or another ?
Every county should have separate hurling and football management boards.
I am still waiting for the press release
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Really hope it just expresses disappointment, thanks Geezer, and promises that they'll be way faster next year.
QuoteGer McNally @GerMc31 5m
From what I hear, the Kildare players statement is complete & awaiting approval from the GPA b4 being released. A strike is not on the cards
If they had heart they'd play for any manager. Same as the Kildare players will turn out next year. And Portlaoise have an absolute massive pick, they'd want to be there every year.
They are not full time pros though. If they were going to sacrifice so much of their time into playing County Football, then they would have to be happy with how it was being run,.
QuoteStatement from the Kildare Senior Football Panel
Sept 5, 2013
Following a long meeting last night, the Kildare Senior Football Panel wishes to express its extreme frustration and disappointment at the sacking of our manager Kieran McGeeney on Tuesday night, ending a 6 year term that brought Kildare from rank outsiders to a consistent top 8 team in the country.
The players feel that our County Board has let us down greatly throughout this process and our manager has been treated with a complete lack of respect and loyalty following his six years at the helm. Kieran's reputation was frequently impugned at times by comments made over the past few weeks.
We believe that the County Board Management Committee should have used the powers available to them to reappoint Kieran McGeeney as senior football team manager for 2014 in accordance with their own wishes and those of the players. In not doing so they abdicated their responsibility and must accept much of the blame for the situation that the county now finds itself in.
Our ultimate wish is that last Tuesday night's decision is overturned and that negotiations are immediately opened with Kieran McGeeney to reinstate him and his management team for 2014. Tuesday's decision and the process followed has left us angered and we will be submitting our recommendations to the County Board in the next two weeks on how this process should be structured in the future. We expect a fair consultation process will be conducted with all parties. We don't believe that this is unprecedented nor do we think it is unreasonable.
The current County Board has been shown up to be dysfunctional and lacking in both leadership and unity. While the clubs are the heartbeat of the GAA and we do not wish to disrespect them or the people who work tirelessly within them, we do not feel that all club delegates voted in the best interest of the Kildare Senior Football Team, but based their decision on what served their clubs or personal agendas best. They were not in a position to decide what was best for us the players representing Kildare.
Again we would like to reiterate the wonderful job Kieran McGeeney has done as our manager for the past six years. His loyalty and belief in us as players has to be acknowledged and commended. Not only did he support us in our efforts on the pitch, he was an ever present adviser when assistance was needed off the field.
He brought an unprecedented level of professionalism to our set-up from the first day he met with us. He put in place the structures that were required to allow us to perform at the highest level, fundraising tirelessly for the squad set-up in the process. He carefully appointed all of his backroom team to ensure that his desire to succeed in a professional environment was matched by theirs. His training and coaching was of the highest calibre and there is undoubtedly no manager in the game who thinks more about it than he does. He transformed us from also-rans to challengers on a yearly basis.
We feel we must publicly acknowledge the huge contribution that Kieran and his wonderful management team has made including Julie Davis, Jason Ryan, Damien Hendy, Morgan O'Callaghan, Hugh Campbell, Danny Mulvihill, David Lyons, Tomas O'Connell, Helen Fitzpatrick, Niamh Connolly, Dwain McGuinness, Mick O'Toole, Robert Carroll, Johnny Bradley, Tom Murphy and Danno Keely.
The 2013 Kildare Senior Football Panel
The county board didn't realise it was about what manager was best for the players it seems. Like me they were probably thinking what was best for Kildare.
I think Kildare should consider Val Andrews as manager.
05 September 2013
IT HAS taken almost 24 hours to produce, but the 571 words written by the Kildare football panel could take years to overcome.
The pitiful statement brought out by the Kildare GAA team at teatime today sheds a very poor light on our footballers in the county and a worrying insight into the minds of our players, as a collective.
The loud ringing tone of self-entitlement, and of absolute arrogance, leaves a very poor pall on the image of our football team and of the county as a whole.
Make no mistake, this is a very poor day for Kildare, a county which is proud to possess some of the most knowledgeable and intelligent football supporters in the land.
Just who is advising these guys? I would suspect they are counselling themselves in their badly worded and poorly put out statement of "frustration and disappointment" at the sacking of manager Kieran McGeeney.
They point out that they are now a consistent top eight team. Let's just take that staggering statistic at face value for a moment - and there we come to the nub of the problem.
Can you imagine a Dub or a Kerryman pouting out the chest and making such an unambitious statement?
They then speak of progress made.
I didn't see much progress this year when we were hammered by the Dubs in the Leinster semi-final, nor did I during the qualifiers when we went out to Tyrone.
To make a very depressing story even more pathetic the players now want McGeeney reinstated and the panel will outline to the Kildare County Board, in the next two weeks, how future processes in the decision to keep or sack a manager are implemented.
This is the stuff of poppycock and one just has to wonder what sort of overblown, inflated, egotistical idiocy has taken over a team which has failed to win anything meaningful in many years?
The meandering statement goes into how professional an outfit McGeeney made the Kildare football team since his arrival six years ago.
Sadly, there is no sign of this so-called professionalism with this hysterical statement from a group of guys who should really start looking at themselves for the reasons behind the current failure of Kildare football.
Orangeman that piece was written in the Indo, by someone called Ian Mallon.
Anyone know who he is and why he feels his opinion on Kildare football is more important than the opinion of the Kildare footballers?
What a shite article.
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Orangeman that piece was written in the Indo, by someone called Ian Mallon.
Anyone know who he is and why he feels his opinion on Kildare football is more important than the opinion of the Kildare footballers?
If he had said that it was in the Indo at the start I would not have bothered reading it!
Insane stuff. Have a lot of time for Mc Geeney, although some of county players heads are up their hole. Any man can retire if you dont enjoy your hobby any more. Play indoor footie.
The clubs need to be given back the power in the GAA not these guys.
Quote from: rrhf on September 05, 2013, 08:11:34 PM
Insane stuff. Have a lot of time for Mc Geeney, although some of county players heads are up their hole. Any man can retire if you dont enjoy your hobby any more. Play indoor footie.
The clubs need to be given back the power in the GAA not these guys.
The clubs have all of the power and exercised it.
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Anyone know who he is and why he feels his opinion on Kildare football is more important than the opinion of the Kildare footballers?
Newly appointed head of news in the Indo
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2013, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Anyone know who he is and why he feels his opinion on Kildare football is more important than the opinion of the Kildare footballers?
Newly appointed head of news in the Indo
News or sports news?
Either way his opinion is not 'news'.
For all the talk of who do the players think they are, give the power back to the clubs etc. is it not a fact that some people in the GAA are in it for their own ambition. Just as there are many players who want to play for their county so there are many officials who want to be seen to be important in their club, their county, the GAA etc.. The players IMO have as much right to express their view as the officials who wield the power. Never mind the club being the heart of the GAA the real heart is the volunteers who give up their time to coach youngsters, who look after the pitch etc.. I hope when making their decision the officials took account of all the views in their club. For me the GAA is totally interdependent. As much as the club is its soul the county team is its heart. The ambition of people to see there sons, nephews, daughters, friends play for their county encourages them to support the club. The big days in Croke Park encourage people to get theirs involved. At the other end the club provides the grounding for these players, supports the community etc.. As much as the County Board had the right to make their decision so the players had the right to show the community spirit in the clubs was also in the county squad. Whatever the final outcome I hope Kildare maintain or improve their position on the inter county scene.
It seems like incredibly reckless behaviour by these clubs, to be frank. It's not like it would take a genius to work out this sequence of events.
If Kildare don't re-vote (and force abstained delegates to make a vote either way) a new manager is already seriously damaged even before he takes over. McGeeney remains Kildare's best option.
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2013, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Anyone know who he is and why he feels his opinion on Kildare football is more important than the opinion of the Kildare footballers?
Newly appointed head of news in the Indo
News or sports news?
Either way his opinion is not 'news'.
News, one of lots of new changes over there
Quote from: Throw ball on September 05, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
For all the talk of who do the players think they are, give the power back to the clubs etc. is it not a fact that some people in the GAA are in it for their own ambition. Just as there are many players who want to play for their county so there are many officials who want to be seen to be important in their club, their county, the GAA etc.. The players IMO have as much right to express their view as the officials who wield the power. Never mind the club being the heart of the GAA the real heart is the volunteers who give up their time to coach youngsters, who look after the pitch etc.. I hope when making their decision the officials took account of all the views in their club. For me the GAA is totally interdependent. As much as the club is its soul the county team is its heart. The ambition of people to see there sons, nephews, daughters, friends play for their county encourages them to support the club. The big days in Croke Park encourage people to get theirs involved. At the other end the club provides the grounding for these players, supports the community etc.. As much as the County Board had the right to make their decision so the players had the right to show the community spirit in the clubs was also in the county squad. Whatever the final outcome I hope Kildare maintain or improve their position on the inter county scene.
Well said.
I am amazed at how many Gaa people bash players for not supporting managers and then bash players for supporting managers.
Back to The Indo 'News'.
"This is the stuff of poppycock and one just has to wonder what sort of overblown, inflated, egotistical idiocy has taken over a team which has failed to win anything meaningful in many years?"
They could be talking about their own performance:
Irish Independent Circulation Figures:
2012 H2 - 123,981
2012 H1 - 125,986
2011 H2 - 131,161
2011 H1 - 134,228
2010 H2 - 138,510
2010 H1 - 144,896
2009 H2 - 149,906
2009 H1 - 152,204
Source http://nni.ie (http://nni.ie) (National Newspapers of Ireland)
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2013, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2013, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Anyone know who he is and why he feels his opinion on Kildare football is more important than the opinion of the Kildare footballers?
Newly appointed head of news in the Indo
News or sports news?
Either way his opinion is not 'news'.
News, one of lots of new changes over there
He's the former motoring correspondent of the Evening Herald and is a Clane man I believe. I doubt he has ever set foot in Conneff Park.
Quote from: Throw ball on September 05, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
For all the talk of who do the players think they are, give the power back to the clubs etc. is it not a fact that some people in the GAA are in it for their own ambition. Just as there are many players who want to play for their county so there are many officials who want to be seen to be important in their club, their county, the GAA etc.. The players IMO have as much right to express their view as the officials who wield the power. Never mind the club being the heart of the GAA the real heart is the volunteers who give up their time to coach youngsters, who look after the pitch etc.. I hope when making their decision the officials took account of all the views in their club. For me the GAA is totally interdependent. As much as the club is its soul the county team is its heart. The ambition of people to see there sons, nephews, daughters, friends play for their county encourages them to support the club. The big days in Croke Park encourage people to get theirs involved. At the other end the club provides the grounding for these players, supports the community etc.. As much as the County Board had the right to make their decision so the players had the right to show the community spirit in the clubs was also in the county squad. Whatever the final outcome I hope Kildare maintain or improve their position on the inter county scene.
That's a good post.
I see the Kildare boys are using the auld "L'Oréal method" of winning over hearts and minds
(http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/1051/loreal-because-youre-worth-it.jpg)
It'll take a motivator of Banty-esque proportions to pick up the pieces for next year.
Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2013, 06:43:53 PM
The county board didn't realise it was about what manager was best for the players it seems. Like me they were probably thinking what was best for Kildare.
That is debateable.
Was it a case of "Let's show this so and so who's boss around here"??
The opinions of County players are somewhat relevant on the issue of who their Manager may be.
As for McG - like Conor Counihan he stayed at least one of not two years too long.
I'd be interested to see how the delegates decided upon the vote - did they just roll up and vote or was there a club executive meeting to discuss this and the delegate went with the clubs decision. Surprised if this wasn't the manner of the majority of votes.
Was there much hassle with fixtures and ccounty players been pulled from the clubs in Kildare in recent years? Has this put the clubs in a difficult position where the ordinary club player is suffering.
Also when the players (of any county) release a statement, I'd prefer if it was signed, individually by each member of the panel who agreed it. I know in Monaghan something similar happened a few years back, regards the above mentioned, and it was signed by the Panel but it became cleared afterwards that in fact several of the panel didn't sign it and didn't agree with it. It came from the more dominant members who would be loyal and close to the manager. Although it does seem in this case alot of the panel disagreed with the manner of the dismissal, the word according to twitter.
Finally, some of the stuff in the statement is laughable. Are Kildare serioulsy a top 8 county on a consistant basis? In the last 2/3 years did anyone actually fancy them to win anything? As an outsider, McGeeney has taken them on but has it levelled out under him. They talk of the professionalism he took to Kildare, maybe 6 years ago this wasn't the norm but the game has rapidly changed in those 6 years at Mgt level and you can be sure there are few counties with resources like Kildare that this professional setup isn't now a given and the very least that is expected from county mgt setups.
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Quote from: Itchy on September 05, 2013, 06:43:53 PM
The county board didn't realise it was about what manager was best for the players it seems. Like me they were probably thinking what was best for Kildare.
That is debateable.
Was it a case of "Let's show this so and so who's boss around here"??
The opinions of County players are somewhat relevant on the issue of who their Manager may be.
As for McG - like Conor Counihan he stayed at least one of not two years too long.
Doubt it. They had plenty of chances to get rid of him before
Some you are going to get your wish granted - Mc geeney could be heading back.
Some will not be happy. But that's the way the cookie crumbles. Money talks.
Colm Keys– 06 September 2013
A five-man executive committee set up to find a successor to Kieran McGeeney are likely to take soundings in the coming days over the prospect of a second vote to reinstate McGeeney as Kildare manager.
The committee was put in place shortly after McGeeney's removal to find a successor but a players' statement, issued by the Gaelic Players Association yesterday, calling for McGeeney's reinstatement looks set to be the first item on the agenda.
There were indications last night that some delegates and clubs may be willing to soften their position towards the former Armagh captain and back any fresh proposal for one more year.
It is estimated that 11 of the county's 16 senior clubs voted against him on Tuesday night while four members of the executive also went against him.
But it's unlikely that McGeeney would allow himself to be drawn back into any potential County Board vote again.
In their statement, the players hit out at their "dysfunctional County Board lacking in leadership and unity" that "let us down" and called for McGeeney to be restored.
"Our ultimate wish is that last Tuesday night's decision is overturned and that negotiations are immediately opened with Kieran McGeeney to reinstate him and his management team for 2014," they said.
They also outlined that they would bring forward proposals for their preferred framework for future managerial appointments.
However, the players did not indicate what action they would be prepared to take if their wishes were not acceded to, though potential strike action is understood not to be part of their thinking.
There are also suggestions that patrons of Club Kildare, the supporters club, have threatened to withdraw financial support on the back of McGeeney's removal.
The chairman of the Supporters Club spoke strongly in McGeeney's favour on Tuesday night.
Jebus, I ve never seen so much fuss about a manager who took 6 years to go backways.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone got that level of support.
Players supporting their manager is one thing but demanding the right to decide who he should be is another.
In how many team sports do the players get to dictate who the team manager is. Seems wrongheaded to me.
Quote from: fearglasmor on September 06, 2013, 01:54:03 PM
Jebus, I ve never seen so much fuss about a manager who took 6 years to go backways.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone got that level of support.
Players supporting their manager is one thing but demanding the right to decide who he should be is another.
In how many team sports do the players get to dictate who the team manager is. Seems wrongheaded to me.
I always underestimate the esteem in which the various County Boards are held.
Maybe not all counties are the same, but in Armagh if the county executive really wanted a result from the delgates it would be delivered. I would think by the result in Kildare the executive wanted Geezer out hence the vote. If Geezer now stays that same executive could make life really unpleasant. I think Geezer should say thanks to all in Kildare who appreciate what he has achieved and wish them good luck for the future.
It is interesting that the development officer and the coaching officer voted in favour of him staying on. If there was a mood that the senior team was bleeding the county dry, you'd imagine the people trying to keep the development squads and games development going would be against that situation, so maybe there;s a lot of truth in what Dinny and Donnellys Hollow are saying about McGeeney's work at that level too.
Anyone who thinks McGeeney would contemplate returning to kildare at this stage obviously dont knoe much about the man
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 06, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
Maybe not all counties are the same, but in Armagh if the county executive really wanted a result from the delgates it would be delivered. I would think by the result in Kildare the executive wanted Geezer out hence the vote. If Geezer now stays that same executive could make life really unpleasant. I think Geezer should say thanks to all in Kildare who appreciate what he has achieved and wish them good luck for the future.
8 county board officers including the chairman, vice-chairman and PRO voted for the motion, 4 county board officers voted against.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 06, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
Anyone who thinks McGeeney would contemplate returning to kildare at this stage obviously dont knoe much about the man
Pat Mangan has discussed it with him and he is supposed to be willing to return "under the right circumstances."
I don't think it will happen myself and could see it making a bad situation even worse.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2013, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 06, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
Maybe not all counties are the same, but in Armagh if the county executive really wanted a result from the delgates it would be delivered. I would think by the result in Kildare the executive wanted Geezer out hence the vote. If Geezer now stays that same executive could make life really unpleasant. I think Geezer should say thanks to all in Kildare who appreciate what he has achieved and wish them good luck for the future.
8 county board officers including the chairman, vice-chairman and PRO voted for the motion, 4 county board officers voted against.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 06, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
Anyone who thinks McGeeney would contemplate returning to kildare at this stage obviously dont knoe much about the man
Pat Mangan has discussed it with him and he is supposed to be willing to return "under the right circumstances."
I don't think it will happen myself and could see it making a bad situation even worse.
McGeeney returning is by far the lesser off two evils.
The talk about it being time for Kildare being ready to move on has been made to look very wrong-headed after this week's events. The smart thing would have been to leave well enough alone. Some officials in every county have no sense of the bigger picture outside their little club or world. You could call this train wreck arrogance but it smacks more of incompetence.
From my experience, the amount of agenda's, politics, underhand tactics, backstabbing, etc that goes on in and around the GAA at club and county level is off the scale. Can be totally disheartening at times and alot of it is over personal greviances and old scores been settled.
One person will vote and plot to suit themselves rather than for the bigger picture or for the good of game in that club/country. I've seen it and been asked to do so.
I'd not be surprised that some votes would have went against the county board purely to go against them rather than to remove McGeeney.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 06, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
Anyone who thinks McGeeney would contemplate returning to kildare at this stage obviously dont knoe much about the man
Thats a fact
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2013, 03:33:18 PM
8 county board officers including the chairman, vice-chairman and PRO voted for the motion, 4 county board officers voted against.
Was the motion to retain or remove McGeeney? I heard some Co. board spokesman on the Radio 1 sports news saying he thought it was the wrong decision. I thought it was either the chairman or the PRO.
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2013, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2013, 03:33:18 PM
8 county board officers including the chairman, vice-chairman and PRO voted for the motion, 4 county board officers voted against.
Was the motion to retain or remove McGeeney? I heard some Co. board spokesman on the Radio 1 sports news saying he thought it was the wrong decision. I thought it was either the chairman or the PRO.
Retain.
Based on the posts would he not be employed better as a development officer for the county.
My view is after 6 years I'm not sure how much more knowledge you can impart to players with no silverware to show for it.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2013, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 07, 2013, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 06, 2013, 03:33:18 PM
8 county board officers including the chairman, vice-chairman and PRO voted for the motion, 4 county board officers voted against.
Was the motion to retain or remove McGeeney? I heard some Co. board spokesman on the Radio 1 sports news saying he thought it was the wrong decision. I thought it was either the chairman or the PRO.
Retain.
OK. Makes sense. Thanks.
Putting aside whether or not Geezer will return for a moment, do any fans think the negative press that Ulster football tactics has had, has influenced the thinking of the Co Board delegates who voted against McGeeney? His Armagh team were among the very first to withdraw the wing half forwards and play a supposedly negative brand of football and there has been a general backlash against this this season - particularly when we see Mayo and Dublin play with such abandon.
Or was it purely for football reasons - have Kildare and McGeeney gone as far as they can????
The players seem to feel that they were on a journey with McGeeney that would lead to success and they seemed to have really trusted what he was doing.
Thoughts please
Why is there 11 pages on who'll be the manager in 2014 for this nothing county?
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 07, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
Why is there 11 pages on who'll be the manager in 2014 for this nothing county?
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 07, 2013, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 07, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
Why is there 11 pages on who'll be the manager in 2014 for this nothing county?
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The ignore function is a beautiful thing Dinny. ;D
It seems very ham fisted by the KCB that they lost the vote on such a margin, especially when some officers voted against the motion - did they really want to win it?
Whether McGeeney should've been reappointed is a funny one imo. The majority of Kildare people seem to want him retained, the players clearly did but his perceived running of Kildare GAA seems to have gone against him by some clubs.
Undoubtedly as a whole he did a good job over his term but has he raised expectations to such a level that the stakeholders involved wanted him to take Kildare to the next level? Did many Hurling clubs vote against him after the SJ farce?
Do the KCB want a cheap internal 'yes' man who'll do as he's told on a much smaller budget?
Quote from: heffo on September 07, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
Do the KCB want a cheap internal 'yes' man who'll do as he's told on a much smaller budget?
That is one type of appointment which will end in tears - as we ( and one or two others) found out last year. :(
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 07, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
Why is there 11 pages on who'll be the manager in 2014 for this nothing county?
There is no such thing as a nothing county! >:(
Quote from: heffo on September 07, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
It seems very ham fisted by the KCB that they lost the vote on such a margin, especially when some officers voted against the motion - did they really want to win it?
Whether McGeeney should've been reappointed is a funny one imo. The majority of Kildare people seem to want him retained, the players clearly did but his perceived running of Kildare GAA seems to have gone against him by some clubs.
Undoubtedly as a whole he did a good job over his term but has he raised expectations to such a level that the stakeholders involved wanted him to take Kildare to the next level? Did many Hurling clubs vote against him after the SJ farce?
Do the KCB want a cheap internal 'yes' man who'll do as he's told on a much smaller budget?
Four of the hurling clubs voted for him to stay on - Broadford, Coill Dubh, Éire Óg and Naas. The chairman of the hurling board and the St Laurence's club voted against. Ardclough abstained. Kill and Ros Glas were absent on the night.
The breakdown of the votes suggests that player availability was a big sticking point for the clubs. 11 of the 16 senior clubs voted against. Of the Kildare team that played in the last championship match only four of the clubs represented - Allenwood, Carbury, Johnstownbridge and Naas voted for the motion.
Of the 11 clubs represented by Kildare's starting 15 in their All-Ireland qualifier defeat to Tyrone this summer, six (St Laurence's, Athy, Two Mile House, Celbridge, Eadestown, Clane) voted against McGeeney while four (Naas, Carbury, Johnstownbridge, Allenwood) voted in favour.
FOR
Clubs – Allenwood, Ballykelly, Broadford, Carbury, Castledermot, Clogherinkoe, Coill Dubh, Eire Og, Ellistown, Johnstownbridge, Kilcock, Kilcullen, Kill, Milltown, Naas, Naas Hurling, Nurney, Rheban, Robertstown, St Kevin's; County Board Officers – John McMahon (Chairman), Ger Donnelly (Vice-Chairman), Henry Barrett (PRO), Colm Farrell (Development Officer), Alan Dunney (Coaching Officer), Ella Doran (Youth Officer), Syl Merrins (Leinster Council delegate), Peadar O Murchu (Irish Officer).
TOTAL: 28
AGAINST
Clubs - Athy, Athgarvan, Ballymore, Ballyteague, Caragh, Castlemitchell, Celbridge, Clane, Confey, Eadestown, Grange, Kildangan, Leixlip, Maynooth, Monasterevin, Rathangan, Raheens, Rathcoffey, Round Towers, Sarsfields, St Laurence's, St Laurence's Hurling, Straffan, Suncroft, Two Mile House; County Board Officers – Martin Whyte (Treasurer), John Joe Walsh (Central Council delegate), Mick Gorman (Leinster Council delegate), Eddie Lawlor (Hurling Board Chairman).
TOTAL: 29
ABSTENTIONS
Moorefield, Ardclough Hurling, Sallins, Handball
ABSENTEES
Pat Dunney (Bord na nOg), Tommy O'Rourke (Referees), Cumann na mBunscol, Ros Glas, Cappagh, Kill Hurling
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 07, 2013, 11:51:00 PM
Of the 11 clubs represented by Kildare's starting 15 in their All-Ireland qualifier defeat to Tyrone this summer, six (St Laurence's, Athy, Two Mile House, Celbridge, Eadestown, Clane) voted against McGeeney while four (Naas, Carbury, Johnstownbridge, Allenwood) voted in favour.
FOR
Clubs – Allenwood, Ballykelly, Broadford, Carbury, Castledermot, Clogherinkoe, Coill Dubh, Eire Og, Ellistown, Johnstownbridge, Kilcock, Kilcullen, Kill, Milltown, Naas, Naas Hurling, Nurney, Rheban, Robertstown, St Kevin's; County Board Officers – John McMahon (Chairman), Ger Donnelly (Vice-Chairman), Henry Barrett (PRO), Colm Farrell (Development Officer), Alan Dunney (Coaching Officer), Ella Doran (Youth Officer), Syl Merrins (Leinster Council delegate), Peadar O Murchu (Irish Officer).
TOTAL: 28
AGAINST
Clubs - Athy, Athgarvan, Ballymore, Ballyteague, Caragh, Castlemitchell, Celbridge, Clane, Confey, Eadestown, Grange, Kildangan, Leixlip, Maynooth, Monasterevin, Rathangan, Raheens, Rathcoffey, Round Towers, Sarsfields, St Laurence's, St Laurence's Hurling, Straffan, Suncroft, Two Mile House; County Board Officers – Martin Whyte (Treasurer), John Joe Walsh (Central Council delegate), Mick Gorman (Leinster Council delegate), Eddie Lawlor (Hurling Board Chairman).
TOTAL: 29
ABSTENTIONS
Moorefield, Ardclough Hurling, Sallins, Handball
ABSENTEES
Pat Dunney (Bord na nOg), Tommy O'Rourke (Referees), Cumann na mBunscol, Ros Glas, Cappagh, Kill Hurling
whats all this voting stuff.. in Armagh the secretary says what he wants and the clubs vote accordingly.. far too much democracy in kildare
Quote from: heffo on September 07, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
It seems very ham fisted by the KCB that they lost the vote on such a margin, especially when some officers voted against the motion - did they really want to win it?
Whether McGeeney should've been reappointed is a funny one imo. The majority of Kildare people seem to want him retained, the players clearly did but his perceived running of Kildare GAA seems to have gone against him by some clubs.
Undoubtedly as a whole he did a good job over his term but has he raised expectations to such a level that the stakeholders involved wanted him to take Kildare to the next level? Did many Hurling clubs vote against him after the SJ farce?
Do the KCB want a cheap internal 'yes' man who'll do as he's told on a much smaller budget?
Please Heffo, this is a serious discussion.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
The breakdown of the votes suggests that player availability was a big sticking point for the clubs. 11 of the 16 senior clubs voted against. Of the Kildare team that played in the last championship match only four of the clubs represented - Allenwood, Carbury, Johnstownbridge and Naas voted for the motion.
That's a ridiculous reason to sack a manager, so I wonder if its a red herring.
Surely, its up to the clubs, through the county board, to agree in advance with the manager what the rule is re player availability (i.e. 7 day rule, 10 day rule, 14 day rule or whatever they agree). The manager either agrees with this and carries on or says he can't work with those rules and resigns, leaving the county board to find someone who is willing to work within those rules.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2013, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
The breakdown of the votes suggests that player availability was a big sticking point for the clubs. 11 of the 16 senior clubs voted against. Of the Kildare team that played in the last championship match only four of the clubs represented - Allenwood, Carbury, Johnstownbridge and Naas voted for the motion.
That's a ridiculous reason to sack a manager, so I wonder if its a red herring.
Surely, its up to the clubs, through the county board, to agree in advance with the manager what the rule is re player availability (i.e. 7 day rule, 10 day rule, 14 day rule or whatever they agree). The manager either agrees with this and carries on or says he can't work with those rules and resigns, leaving the county board to find someone who is willing to work within those rules.
Seems daft alright.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2013, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 07, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
The breakdown of the votes suggests that player availability was a big sticking point for the clubs. 11 of the 16 senior clubs voted against. Of the Kildare team that played in the last championship match only four of the clubs represented - Allenwood, Carbury, Johnstownbridge and Naas voted for the motion.
That's a ridiculous reason to sack a manager, so I wonder if its a red herring.
Surely, its up to the clubs, through the county board, to agree in advance with the manager what the rule is re player availability (i.e. 7 day rule, 10 day rule, 14 day rule or whatever they agree). The manager either agrees with this and carries on or says he can't work with those rules and resigns, leaving the county board to find someone who is willing to work within those rules.
That would have been the ideal situation but unfortunately in Kildare the county manager basically ran the show and the county executive simply ignored the grumblings of the clubs. Our last county chairman resigned over the situation and very little was done in the two and a half years since:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/ashe-quits-kildare-post-26709997.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/ashe-quits-kildare-post-26709997.html)
County players were made available for club league games on certain Sundays but there was often some controversy over this when Kildare would have trained on the Saturday and the Sunday morning:
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/04/29/moores-start-without-county-men-after-hectic-week-with-kildare/ (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/04/29/moores-start-without-county-men-after-hectic-week-with-kildare/)
An unworkable situation and one that the county board are culpable for. It comes as no surprise because they're the same crowd that allowed the county's finances to spiral out of control and buried their heads in the sand during the Johnston transfer last year.
Statement from Mr McGeeney just released.
In order to draw a line under the last few weeks I feel it is in the best interests of Kildare football to release a statement so everybody can move on and get things in place for next year.
I would like to thank everybody who has helped me over the last few years.
A special thanks to all the people who have worked tirelessly in the back ground especially Julie Davis, Hugh Campbell, Tom Murphy, Danno Keely and Morgan O'Callaghan. To those that stood on the sideline with me, Jason, Damien, Niall, John, Aidan and Paul, I have learned so much from all your input as have the players with whom you worked. To the medical staff , Danny, Noel and David who have worked so hard to keep the players on the pitch and in a healthy frame of mind I thank you for all your hard work. Thank you to all.
A special mention for all the people in Club Kildare, especially Pat, Dermot and June, who put in so many hours behind the scenes .They raised valuable funds in such a difficult economic time. Your help will never be forgotten by the players or the management.
To the supporters it has been an absolute pleasure to be part of this journey over the last six years. Thank you for all your support both in the good days and the bad, your passion for football has been matched only by your generosity and kindness towards the whole Kildare county set up. To the clubs I would like to say thanks for all your support and your work in developing the young (and not so young )players so that they were in a position to line out for their county and proudly represent their clubs.
Finally, I want to emphasise to all the players that it has been an honour to stand beside you and to work with you. Although we never got the silver ware we hoped for I know that it was not for the lack of effort or desire. There has been a lot of changes over the last twelve months and I really believe with the emergence of new talent alongside the experience and ability that exists in the squad means its only a matter of time before Kildare achieve what they have been working towards.
Ní neart go cur le chéile
Kieran Mc Geeney
Not much to add that so line drawn and time to move on.
Classy way to go out.
Indeed. Feck it, may change my avatar now.
It's just been pointed out to me, no thanks to the County Board. Very significant and pretty much allies to what DH was saying earlier.
Where are the traditional opening words of any speech made by Mc Geeney to the masses?
"Stand back,stand back...you're hurting the ones at the front!"
A dignified exit as would be expected from the man.
I presume Kildare will now end up in the same mess as we did a couple of years ago.
A very dignified exit.
He will be a better manager for his time in Kildare.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 19, 2013, 11:28:29 AM
A very dignified exit.
He will be a better manager for his time in Kildare.
His first management gig I think.
He thanked everyone but the county board.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 18, 2013, 11:58:20 PM
Where are the traditional opening words of any speech made by Mc Geeney to the masses?
"Stand back,stand back...you're hurting the ones at the front!"
And they have been hurting ever since! Ju Jitsu all the way now !
The Seanie Johnston affair did for him in the end.
yes it took him down
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2013, 01:05:14 PM
The Seanie Johnston affair did for him in the end.
It was a combination of different factors but that definitely marked a turning point. The graph had been pointing steadily upwards until then.
Not as dignified as Trap's exit, all the same. No feigned hugs or lukewarm embraces with the Executive committee. Both still struggle with english language though!
good! now Kieran can move on. I hope the offers flood in for him. That kind of passion,drive and now experience shouldn't go to waste.
btw. I watched the aussie rules game again last night where he really shone. sweet jez the aussies were actually bouncing off him while the rest of the irish team were being thrown around the place like rag dolls. he was in some shape that year..
I'm hoping grimey will call him into the Armagh set-up as a fitness coach. martin o'neill could do a lot worse
Will the Kildare physio be looking for some work next year aswell?
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
good! now Kieran can move on. I hope the offers flood in for him. That kind of passion,drive and now experience shouldn't go to waste.
btw. I watched the aussie rules game again last night where he really shone. sweet jez the aussies were actually bouncing off him while the rest of the irish team were being thrown around the place like rag dolls. he was in some shape that year..
I'm hoping grimey will call him into the Armagh set-up as a fitness coach. martin o'neill could do a lot worse
Near choked on my cornflakes reading that lol. Just what those professional players need another fitness coach to tell their professional club fitness coaches how to do it. What world do you live in
Quote from: shawshank on September 19, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
good! now Kieran can move on. I hope the offers flood in for him. That kind of passion,drive and now experience shouldn't go to waste.
btw. I watched the aussie rules game again last night where he really shone. sweet jez the aussies were actually bouncing off him while the rest of the irish team were being thrown around the place like rag dolls. he was in some shape that year..
I'm hoping grimey will call him into the Armagh set-up as a fitness coach. martin o'neill could do a lot worse
Near choked on my cornflakes reading that lol. Just what those professional players need another fitness coach to tell their professional club fitness coaches how to do it. What world do you live in
cornflakes.. ::) winning isn't just about fitness its also about mental attitude. you may have heard about a guy called jim McGuiness (careful now don't choke) do you think jim has the celtic players running up the beach pulling tyres? its a combination of attitude and fitness and conditioning.
looking at the irish team I don't think they're fit. anyway I'm hearing jim wants Kieran in donegal
Quote from: lawnseed on September 21, 2013, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: shawshank on September 19, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
good! now Kieran can move on. I hope the offers flood in for him. That kind of passion,drive and now experience shouldn't go to waste.
btw. I watched the aussie rules game again last night where he really shone. sweet jez the aussies were actually bouncing off him while the rest of the irish team were being thrown around the place like rag dolls. he was in some shape that year..
I'm hoping grimey will call him into the Armagh set-up as a fitness coach. martin o'neill could do a lot worse
Near choked on my cornflakes reading that lol. Just what those professional players need another fitness coach to tell their professional club fitness coaches how to do it. What world do you live in
cornflakes.. ::) winning isn't just about fitness its also about mental attitude. you may have heard about a guy called jim McGuiness (careful now don't choke) do you think jim has the celtic players running up the beach pulling tyres? its a combination of attitude and fitness and conditioning.
looking at the irish team I don't think they're fit. anyway I'm hearing jim wants Kieran in donegal
I wouldn't be surprised if McGuinness wanted him but I can't see it being possible for a number of reasons:
(A) Travel....McGeeney lives in the capital
(B) Authority....McGeeney would not be prepared to be a number 2
(C) Possible Success....in my opinion that Donegal team will not reach the heights that they achieved in 2011, they over achieved massively in relation to the players they had at their disposal
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2013, 01:05:14 PM
The Seanie Johnston affair did for him in the end.
I see Seánie came on as a sub and scored a goal that helped Cavan Gaels win last night.
Have said it before and will say it again, his term over Kildare in years to come will be seen in much better light than it is now.
If I was a Kildare fan I would be more concerned as to how their minors and U21s flopped outside Leinster this year. Was convinced they would win one AI between them.
Wouldn't be too upset if he took over an underage development squad here in Dublin but realize that is a long shot.
Am a big fan of his and wish him well.
Quote from: Canalman on September 21, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Have said it before and will say it again, his term over Kildare in years to come will be seen in much better light than it is now.
If I was a Kildare fan I would be more concerned as to how their minors and U21s flopped outside Leinster this year. Was convinced they would win one AI between them.
Wouldn't be too upset if he took over an underage development squad here in Dublin but realize that is a long shot.
Am a big fan of his and wish him well.
Seanie Johnston?
Looking like Glen Ryan, will wait and see what happens and in particular his backroom team. Hopefully Longford will have mellowed him out and he understands that not every player needs tough love.
What does he do for a living now?
He's not teaching anymore.
QuoteHopefully Longford will have mellowed him out
Met Glen in the Burlo last Friday - we only discussed his time with Longford - I was itching to axe him about Kildare but I figured it would be impolite.
Cannot see how 5 years in Longford would mellow anyone out......that said the County Board are progressive enough and there is really only one contrary club so I don't think he would have been riz too much.
We're hell of a soap opera
KfmSport @KfmSport 9m
We believe that Kildare Co Chairman John McMahon had a meeting with former Kerry manager Jack O'Connor this week to discuss taking SF job.
Interesting.
I think he has some family up near Maynooth.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 24, 2013, 11:43:23 AM
Looking like Glen Ryan, will wait and see what happens and in particular his backroom team. Hopefully Longford will have mellowed him out and he understands that not every player needs tough love.
Is Jason Ryan in the frame ? Ryan ruled himself out of it on Monday http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/exskipper-glenn-ryan-out-of-running-for-lilywhites-job-29608081.html
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 27, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
We're hell of a soap opera
KfmSport @KfmSport 9m
We believe that Kildare Co Chairman John McMahon had a meeting with former Kerry manager Jack O'Connor this week to discuss taking SF job.
A safe, easy to deal with choice with no ego or chance of bullying clubs. Christ lads, out of the frying pan, into Dante's Inferno.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 27, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
We're hell of a soap opera
KfmSport @KfmSport 9m
We believe that Kildare Co Chairman John McMahon had a meeting with former Kerry manager Jack O'Connor this week to discuss taking SF job.
Tell him to hold off Dinny until next time out
He's on a hiding to nothing coming In now with the mcgeeney aftermath. Any disgruntled players and politics there etc
Better taking a senior cob side in Laois Eric closer to home for a yea or two to recharge before takingkildare
Time is on his side and the squad are v young
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 27, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
We're hell of a soap opera
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We believe that Kildare Co Chairman John McMahon had a meeting with former Kerry manager Jack O'Connor this week to discuss taking SF job.
Is Gerry Adams moving on?
Mickey Ned wanted to remain as Kerry minor boss, so some ill feeling at Co Brd tonight if vote to ratify Jack O'Connor, 44-28, is indicator.
I see that ye may be loosing one of your young talents :
http://www.irishecho.com.au/2013/10/02/adelaide-tipped-to-sign-kildare-teenager/29140
Kildare teenager Daniel Flynn is being tipped to sign for Port Adelaide, according to a report.
The 18-year-old impressed AFL talent scout Tadhg Kennelly at a screening in March and was picked by the Kerryman for an AFL Europe selection that took on an AFL Academy team in Surrey the following month.
Flynn will be a big loss for Johnstownbridge. They will have serious ambitions for the Leinster intermediate title and maybe beyond after their fine win today.
Sure he'll back in 2 years anyway.
Jason Ryan's appointment as Kildare's new football manager is expected to be rubberstamped tomorrow night.
Last Tuesday's scheduled county board meeting was put back seven days to allow Kildare chairman John McMahon to finalise arrangements with the Waterford native, who served as a selector under Kieran McGeeney last season.
Ryan's imminent appointment is all the more surprising in light of him stating that he had no interest in taking over the manager's role following McGeeney's controversial dismissal last month. Indeed, the in-demand former Wexford manager had ruled himself out a return to management with any county in 2014.
But following the withdrawals of former Kildare captain Glenn Ryan and ex-Kerry manager Jack O'Connor from the race in the past week, the De La Salle clubman is now poised to fill the void.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on October 07, 2013, 03:54:50 PM
Jason Ryan's appointment as Kildare's new football manager is expected to be rubberstamped tomorrow night.
Last Tuesday's scheduled county board meeting was put back seven days to allow Kildare chairman John McMahon to finalise arrangements with the Waterford native, who served as a selector under Kieran McGeeney last season.
Ryan's imminent appointment is all the more surprising in light of him stating that he had no interest in taking over the manager's role following McGeeney's controversial dismissal last month. Indeed, the in-demand former Wexford manager had ruled himself out a return to management with any county in 2014.
But following the withdrawals of former Kildare captain Glenn Ryan and ex-Kerry manager Jack O'Connor from the race in the past week, the De La Salle clubman is now poised to fill the void.
Did you get that info in an early morning text ?
Jason Ryan is a good solid appointment. Has been there for the past year so he knows the players well. Added to this he will know the structures, backroom team and most of the pitfalls that lie ahead!
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 07, 2013, 08:25:26 PM
Jason Ryan is a good solid appointment. Has been there for the past year so he knows the players well. Added to this he will know the structures, backroom team and most of the pitfalls that lie ahead!
McStay will be disappointed after admitting last week on telly that he was a contender.
Will Ryan take on McGeeney as his number 2
Quote from: Hound on October 08, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
McStay will be disappointed after admitting last week on telly that he was a contender.
He's got a much better job - he's chairing on of Ros Co Board's "Strategic Review " Committees.
imo that is a fantastic appointment for kildare.
they have the players imo.
lets se what Ryan can do now. can he challenge Dublin.
imo yes. Certainly in 2014 Dublin will find it harder after their exertions this season.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 08, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
imo that is a fantastic appointment for kildare.
they have the players imo.
lets se what Ryan can do now. can he challenge Dublin.
imo yes. Certainly in 2014 Dublin will find it harder after their exertions this season.
You've always been a fan of his Lynchbhoy, one thing he'll get from the Kildare footballers that he couldn't from the Wexford players is 100% commitment. The Wexford players had a poor gym culture and with 2 centres were poorly monitored and it was too relaxed. (That's direct from one of their S&Cs).
Ryan for personal reasons didn't coach as much as he would have liked last year which is one of the reasons Kildare looked very disjointed at times.
Will reserve judgment, that will give him 3 years by Kildare standards but for continuity reasons it's a good appointment. His backroom team will be interesting and could be the key to been successful or not.
In fairness to McGeeney I always thought he brought Jason Ryan in for succession planning reasons as much as anything else and deserves credit for that foresight.
You're welcome :-\
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 02:01:15 PM
You're welcome :-\
Sure we gave you Niall Carew and Ronan Sweeney, fair exchange no?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 02:01:15 PM
You're welcome :-\
Sure we gave you Niall Carew and Ronan Sweeney, fair exchange no?
Fair exchange like Cork got Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy and you got Brian Murphy.
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 02:01:15 PM
You're welcome :-\
Sure we gave you Niall Carew and Ronan Sweeney, fair exchange no?
Fair exchange like Cork got Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy and you got Brian Murphy.
Brian Murphy delivered us a minor Leinster title this year and helped develop some of our young talent over the last 5 years so we did alright out of that.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Brian Murphy delivered us a minor Leinster title this year and helped develop some of our young talent over the last 5 years so we did alright out of that.
You keep telling yourself that if it eases the pain. Mick Roche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Roche) . . . he was crap anyway. When can we expect to see the bould Jason as your avatar?
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Brian Murphy delivered us a minor Leinster title this year and helped develop some of our young talent over the last 5 years so we did alright out of that.
You keep telling yourself that if it eases the pain. Mick Roche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Roche) . . . he was crap anyway. When can we expect to see the bould Jason as your avatar?
I'm from Kildare we find comfort in the smallest things as we don't in our football.
Mick Roche wonder if he played these days would have got much abuse for transferring counties?
I like my Avatar though, maybe if I can find one of Jason Ryan going head to head with Jim Gavin I might change...
The story with Mick Roche (as I understand it) is that we let him slip through the net. The mandarins of Mount Sion could not believe that a lad from Carrickbeg could play hurling so Tipp were not stopped from poaching him. I'd like to think we wouldn't make that mistake this time around. There were eleven different clubs represented on this All-Ireland winning Minor team.
I really wish Jason well. He seems like a stand-up bloke and maybe someday he'll have his desire for success sated to the point where he'd have a go at pulling us up by the boot straps.
I lived in Dominick Place as a student and use to train in Mount Sion - not the friendliest bunch back then so not surprised to heat that...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 08, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
imo that is a fantastic appointment for kildare.
they have the players imo.
lets se what Ryan can do now. can he challenge Dublin.
imo yes. Certainly in 2014 Dublin will find it harder after their exertions this season.
You've always been a fan of his Lynchbhoy, one thing he'll get from the Kildare footballers that he couldn't from the Wexford players is 100% commitment. The Wexford players had a poor gym culture and with 2 centres were poorly monitored and it was too relaxed. (That's direct from one of their S&Cs).
Ryan for personal reasons didn't coach as much as he would have liked last year which is one of the reasons Kildare looked very disjointed at times.
Will reserve judgment, that will give him 3 years by Kildare standards but for continuity reasons it's a good appointment. His backroom team will be interesting and could be the key to been successful or not.
In fairness to McGeeney I always thought he brought Jason Ryan in for succession planning reasons as much as anything else and deserves credit for that foresight.
Yes I have been a fan of his ever since he took an underacheving wexford side and made them compete (and should have beaten Dublin and won the Leinster title twice).
In kildare Jason inherits more big men, a lot of raw talent too , but prob more finished articles than what he had in Wexford (Forde).
I also thought Ryan was part of a succession plan.
He is also a man who has managed at intercounty level before and can hit the ground running.
For all the great effort McGeeney made, he is still learning and you need a few diff managerial jobs to reach optimum level.
Thats another reason why I preferred if Glen didnt take it yet.
However I see him with even some additional club coaching in the next year or two as being the preferred kldare manager next time out.
Kildare have a young squad, a good squad and one that imo can compete with Dublin.
2014 will be very interesting.
I think ye were lucky not to get McStay. Don't think he is up to intercounty. Did great things with St. Bridgets last year, but I've seen him at under 21 with our own county and he did not have the side line vision. I know that was 10 plus years ago, but you either have these things or you don't. They can't really be learned, it's almost intuition.
Wexford had probably better flair in attack then what Kildare have now. Ciaran Lyng, Red Barry, Brosnan, PJ Banville. But I'd say he will do a solid job with Kildare.
I don't envy the job he has on his hands here. He has to engage with the clubs from day 1 and try and get them onside. Best of luck to him.
The composition of the backroom team will be interesting. I hope there will be some overlap between the senior and u21 set ups given the age profile of the panel at the moment.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 08, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Brian Murphy delivered us a minor Leinster title this year and helped develop some of our young talent over the last 5 years so we did alright out of that.
You keep telling yourself that if it eases the pain. Mick Roche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Roche) . . . he was crap anyway. When can we expect to see the bould Jason as your avatar?
I'm from Kildare we find comfort in the smallest things as we don't in our football.
Mick Roche wonder if he played these days would have got much abuse for transferring counties?
I like my Avatar though, maybe if I can find one of Jason Ryan going head to head with Jim Gavin I might change...
Well you'll either have to change it or move to Armagh now. :P
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
I think ye were lucky not to get McStay. Don't think he is up to intercounty. Did great things with St. Bridgets last year, but I've seen him at under 21 with our own county and he did not have the side line vision. I know that was 10 plus years ago, but you either have these things or you don't. They can't really be learned, it's almost intuition.
In fairness reached the All Ireland final and only lost by three points against a very good Tyrone side.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
I think ye were lucky not to get McStay. Don't think he is up to intercounty. Did great things with St. Bridgets last year, but I've seen him at under 21 with our own county and he did not have the side line vision. I know that was 10 plus years ago, but you either have these things or you don't. They can't really be learned, it's almost intuition.
His adjustments for Brigids were excellent, be it playing Frankie higher up the field, switching to Cake in goals or emphasising a high press defence to in-game adjustments like seeing things weren't going right in the middle against Ballymun and bringing on Garvan Dolan at half-time, someone who had a huge impact in turning the game in Brigids' favour. Whether it was McStay, McHale or O'Brien the whole unit were as tactically proficient as I've seen a management team be in many years. 'Sideline vision' is the one thing McStay doesn't lack.
I think Kildare will get a good quality manager in Ryan but the more ambitious choice would have been McStay. K-Mac has to chair a strategic committee here in Roscommon and gets to continue his RTE job unimpeded so I'm sure he isn't crying into his glass for things to do.
This seems to have been very ham fisted.
Kildare GAA has been dealt a potential body blow with the decision of nearly all of their chief fundraisers to stand down.
The main officers of Club Kildare, with the exception of county board treasurer Martin Whyte, have decided not to seek re-election at next month's AGM.
It leaves a void that could prove difficult to fill, with the collective decision pointing to a disillusionment with the board which has been festering for some time now.
The main officers, including chairman Pat Mangan, the former Kildare footballer, made their decision at an executive meeting on Monday night. They had previously held an EGM to air a number of relevant issues.
The departure of the officers now puts the future of Club Kildare very much in doubt. They were known to be very supportive of previous manager Kieran McGeeney and, as an official of a sub-committee of the Kildare County Board since late 2012, Mangan was adamant he was entitled to a vote - which he didn't get - on the night McGeeney was removed.
Club Kildare have been one of the most active supporters' clubs in the GAA. In 2013 they generated €90,000, while, over the past number of years, they have brought in up to €130,000 for team preparations.
During negotiations with Croke Park over funding in 2012, they agreed to become a sub-committee of the Kildare County Board.
Their main officers were highly influential in securing the most recent sponsorship deal with Brady's Ham and are understood to be unhappy with some of the board's handling of other commercial and fundraising ventures.
We're going to need a bigger bucket.
All under control
Pick your footballer. They should have auctioned Johnny Doyle.
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Enna and Cian O Connor transferring to Moorefield as they are now teaching in Kildare were students in Maynooth. Possible Lilywhite call up in the future?
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 22, 2014, 05:54:22 PM
Enna and Cian O Connor transferring to Moorefield as they are now teaching in Kildare were students in Maynooth. Possible Lilywhite call up in the future?
Both live in Naas :-\
Their pathway should be via the KSFC if they were to be called up.
No stopping the Moores for the next few years so.
Time for the Sheikh to get the chequebook out.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 27, 2015, 09:29:14 PM
Time for the Sheikh to get the chequebook out.
It wasn't mothballed for Ryan as Asst or main man
Maybe Dublin might come in and buy us, loan us some players, appoint Pat Gilroy as manager.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 27, 2015, 11:47:05 PM
Maybe Dublin might come in and buy us, loan us some players, appoint Pat Gilroy as manager.
You don't need him Dinny when your shortlist is Jack O'Connor, Kevin McStay and Tony McEnter :)
Ha! Sure we'll take all 3 plus James Horan to round off the team.
If it was still the 90s I think Jack would be top of my list.
Realistically self-inflicted financial constraints will mean a local appointment, which might even rule out my choice Xian O'Neill. I would be content with Glenn Ryan or Brian Murphy as manager.
What Kildare do need is a strategic plan for the next 3,5 and 10 years, a white paper :)
Would it be fair to say that Kildare beating Cork was a bigger "scalp" than McGeeney ever took in the championship?
Not that I'm saying Ryan should be kept or anything but after beating Cork he surely thought he was safe for another year
Cian O'Neill would be a great fit in Tipperary.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 28, 2015, 09:21:29 AM
Would it be fair to say that Kildare beating Cork was a bigger "scalp" than McGeeney ever took in the championship?
Definitely
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2015, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 28, 2015, 09:21:29 AM
Would it be fair to say that Kildare beating Cork was a bigger "scalp" than McGeeney ever took in the championship?
Definitely
No argument, it's just the small things of 2 relegations and 2 of the biggest championship defeats in history.
7 goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D We don't have a lot to smile about but the thoughts of that always brings a smile to my face.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 28, 2015, 11:26:12 AM
7 goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D We don't have a lot to smile about but the thoughts of that always brings a smile to my face.
Thirteen is a number that makes me laugh. That's the smallest margin ye've lost to us by the last three times we've been drawn together in championship. Forty-three is another good one. You get that when you add up the margin from those three games.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 28, 2015, 07:41:27 AM
Ha! Sure we'll take all 3 plus James Horan to round off the team.
If it was still the 90s I think Jack would be top of my list.
Realistically self-inflicted financial constraints will mean a local appointment, which might even rule out my choice Xian O'Neill. I would be content with Glenn Ryan or Brian Murphy as manager.
What Kildare do need is a strategic plan for the next 3,5 and 10 years, a white paper :)
One of them anyway will put you in the poor house. I won't say which of the three!
Looks like the new manager might have Kevin Feeley available, he's terminated his Newport County contract. Would be a nice bonus for any new manager. He was a quality minor!
Hewas a quality u21 and senior club player as well. He'll be playing for his club on Sunday.
It's good to hear of a player coming home rather than leaving. It makes a nice change from recent months.
It's three or four years since Kevin has played football on a regular basis so he has missed out on a lot of development. It will be interesting to see how he goes in the remainder of the club championship anyway.
Some very good players coming through for Kildare, doing well at U-21, minor etc, anyone available from that circuit?
Stick with one of your own. Who fore-saw what James Horan did in Mayo or Jim McGuinness in Donegal. Knowledge of players, faults a d strengths of structures etc is vital.
Next Kildare Manager
Sunday 13th September 2015, 14:00
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Glen Ryan
1/2
James Horan
20/1
Tommy Carr
25/1
Cian O'Neill
9/4
Jack Cooney
20/1
Brendan Hackett
33/1
John Evans
16/1
Dermot Earley
20/1
Larry Tompkins
33/1
Brian Murphy
16/1
Sean Dempsey
20/1
Niall Carew
33/1
Kevin McStay
16/1
Tom Cribbin
20/1
Pat Gilroy
50/1
Jack O'Connor
16/1
Anthony Rainbow
25/1
Kieran McGeeney
50/1
Ronan Quinn
16/1
Emmet McDonnell
25/1
Luke Dempsey
50/1
Paschal Kellaghan
16/1
Justin McNulty
25/1
Ronan Sweeney
50/1
Paul Curran
16/1
Interesting that Cian O'Neill is short there. Is there rumours you might get your man?
I think DH put a monkey on Glenn, moved in from 3/1.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Interesting that Cian O'Neill is short there. Is there rumours you might get your man?
Here is a couple of hours after the Kerry game, at the Moors/Celbridge game.
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He's a Kildare GAA man but from talking to ITK Journalists on twitter and forums it looks like his bad back won't be able for the additional travel so they reckon he has been ruled out.
Time for Maynooth University to create sports science role for him :)
Is he still in UL or do I remember something about him moving on? My wife knows/knew him as she works in there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Is he still in UL or do I remember something about him moving on? My wife knows/knew him as she works in there.
Head of Dept. of Sport, Leisure & Childhood Studies at Cork Institute of Technology
Yes, I thought that alright. A fairly recent (year or so) move maybe? That makes it a bit harder to commute to Hawkfield alright :) Doctor Morris Park would only be an hour away though!
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 02:35:46 PM
Yes, I thought that alright. A fairly recent (year or so) move maybe? That makes it a bit harder to commute to Hawkfield alright :) Doctor Morris Park would only be an hour away though!
2 years now. Only a short two hour drive, sure he'd be like Micko, loves driving.
Cian O'Neill was involved with Moorefield last year. He was on the line with Luke Dempsey for the county final and their Leinster campaign. I had heard he took a few training sessions with Jack O'Connor before the county final replay over in Pollardstown.
I think he could find it hard to turn down the Kildare job although with the distinct possibility that Kerry will be going for three in a row and with Kildare not exactly having a huge budget for the senior team it may not be a runner this time. Some of the names in that Paddy Power market are hilarious. The county would go into meltdown if Tommy Carr or the prodigal son Larry Tompkins rocked up in Newbridge!
Tommy Tom and ye lads would be a match made in Heaven ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
Tommy Tom and ye lads would be a match made in Heaven ;D
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Tommy Tom and ye lads would be a match made in Heaven ;D
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Is he still in UL or do I remember something about him moving on? My wife knows/knew him as she works in there.
cork, handy spin up the road to Thurles for him???
Quote from: tippabu on September 02, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Is he still in UL or do I remember something about him moving on? My wife knows/knew him as she works in there.
cork, handy spin up the road to Thurles for him???
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 02, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: tippabu on September 02, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
Is he still in UL or do I remember something about him moving on? My wife knows/knew him as she works in there.
cork, handy spin up the road to Thurles for him???
(http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?attachments/what-you-talkin-about-jpeg.4177/)
yer not the only ones looking for a senior manager!!
Brian Lacey could end up involved in either set up.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 02, 2015, 04:12:00 PM
Cian O'Neill was involved with Moorefield last year. He was on the line with Luke Dempsey for the county final and their Leinster campaign. I had heard he took a few training sessions with Jack O'Connor before the county final replay over in Pollardstown.
I think he could find it hard to turn down the Kildare job although with the distinct possibility that Kerry will be going for three in a row and with Kildare not exactly having a huge budget for the senior team it may not be a runner this time. Some of the names in that Paddy Power market are hilarious. The county would go into meltdown if Tommy Carr or the prodigal son Larry Tompkins rocked up in Newbridge!
To go from being involved with a team who are going to be serious contenders to a team who are playing Division 3 football, where funds are likely to be very/extremely limited and having to travel a fair bit more would look like a serious step-back.
For me the smart play would be for O'Neill to bide his time and at least to let someone else get Kildare out of Division 3.
Rumour has it Glenn Ryan has it. Legend of a footballer and he has proven himself competent as a manager but I have mixed feelings about it. Deeply unpopular in his own club yet despised even more within the "small" clubs that Ryan played a pivotal role in player poaching down the years but this is not a popularity contest. His abrasive nature should be a welcome change from Jason Ryan's smiley happy demeanour though.
I hope it works out well but given the lack of financial resources available I would not be surprised if Kildare languish in division 3 and Leinster mediocrity for another while.
Like Monaghan,Armagh,Meath I would expect Kildare to spend no more than a year down in division three. Glen Ryan should be a good appointment to move Kildare forward.
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If it goes ahead I'd be willing to spend any spare change I don't squander on hookers and coke on supporting a Cian O'Neill led Kildare team.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on September 25, 2015, 09:08:15 PM
Rumour has it Glenn Ryan has it. Legend of a footballer and he has proven himself competent as a manager but I have mixed feelings about it. Deeply unpopular in his own club yet despised even more within the "small" clubs that Ryan played a pivotal role in player poaching down the years but this is not a popularity contest. His abrasive nature should be a welcome change from Jason Ryan's smiley happy demeanour though.
I hope it works out well but given the lack of financial resources available I would not be surprised if Kildare languish in division 3 and Leinster mediocrity for another while.
I heard the same. I think it's a disastrous appointment if it goes through. He's not the man for that job. Great player but not a manager
Cian O Neill is the new manager. Good appointment. Horseshite about Glenn Ryan above. Hes had 3 jobs in football management and done well in each.
Quote from: LilySavage on October 03, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Cian O Neill is the new manager. Good appointment. Horseshite about Glenn Ryan above. Hes had 3 jobs in football management and done well in each.
After McGeeney was ousted I was talking to a player who played under himself and Ryan for the under 21s and asked him how would Ryan compare with McGeeney. He laughed. That being said Glenn has done a reasonable job wherever he went.
It doesn't matter much as the county board have exceeded everybody's expectation with Cian O'Neill.
Quote from: INDIANA on October 03, 2015, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on September 25, 2015, 09:08:15 PM
Rumour has it Glenn Ryan has it. Legend of a footballer and he has proven himself competent as a manager but I have mixed feelings about it. Deeply unpopular in his own club yet despised even more within the "small" clubs that Ryan played a pivotal role in player poaching down the years but this is not a popularity contest. His abrasive nature should be a welcome change from Jason Ryan's smiley happy demeanour though.
I hope it works out well but given the lack of financial resources available I would not be surprised if Kildare languish in division 3 and Leinster mediocrity for another while.
I heard the same. I think it's a disastrous appointment if it goes through. He's not the man for that job. Great player but not a manager
Looks like your sources are wrong - again....
Quote from: Tubberman on October 03, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
Looks like your sources are wrong - again....
In fairness it was being reported everywhere that it was a foregone conclusion.
Good appointment for Kildare.
Very positive appointment assuming Murphy will be involved as well. It's a pity it didn't happen two years ago.
Quote from: Tubberman on October 03, 2015, 02:34:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on October 03, 2015, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on September 25, 2015, 09:08:15 PM
Rumour has it Glenn Ryan has it. Legend of a footballer and he has proven himself competent as a manager but I have mixed feelings about it. Deeply unpopular in his own club yet despised even more within the "small" clubs that Ryan played a pivotal role in player poaching down the years but this is not a popularity contest. His abrasive nature should be a welcome change from Jason Ryan's smiley happy demeanour though.
I hope it works out well but given the lack of financial resources available I would not be surprised if Kildare languish in division 3 and Leinster mediocrity for another while.
I heard the same. I think it's a disastrous appointment if it goes through. He's not the man for that job. Great player but not a manager
Looks like your sources are wrong - again....
Just polishing Sam here. Will send you a picture of it if you like ;)
Quote from: LilySavage on October 03, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Cian O Neill is the new manager. Good appointment.
Good CV as a selector and trainer has he ever managed a team before?
Managed UL footballers in the Sigerson for a few years. He should make a good manager but I thought he'd go to a lower level team first and then take on the Kildare job. I think he would feel Kildare can achieve something as I doubt he'd get involved if he thought they were going nowhere. He's a smart man and a strong character so he should do well.
Fair play to him - had expected him to let it pass this time around, especially with Kildare down in Division 3 and the drubbings from Kerry and Dublin in the championship. Not an easy job to be heading into at all.
Means Kerry are looking for a coach now as well - what odds it ends up being Donie Buckley given all the goings-on in Mayo?
I disagree.
This is the perfect time to take over that team.
He can train the hell out of them and still get promoted.
http://kildaretoday.podomatic.com/entry/2015-10-03T08_26_47-07_00 (http://kildaretoday.podomatic.com/entry/2015-10-03T08_26_47-07_00)
Got my man! Knew the KCB lurked here 8)
Great appointment even listening to that podcast the sound bytes are very encouraging.
It's the perfect gig for a man starting out, low expectations and promising young footballers. You can only but build from that position.
The only concern is that we are severely hampered financially but hopefully we can should enough over the next 2 years that financial investment can return otherwise we will be leaving a bright white future behind.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on October 04, 2015, 10:52:08 AM
It's the perfect gig for a man starting out, low expectations and promising young footballers. You can only but build from that position.
It's going to be an exciting 2016 for Kildare & he's probably someone who'll have universal backing from all involved.
One of the best things about this appointment is that it should at last unify the county again.
Ever since the Johnston embarrassment we have been a county pulling in different directions with predictable results.
Get administrators, players and supporters working together and the financial and on-field situation will improve. I would say being a consistent Division 1, All-Ireland quarter-final side that doesn't get destroyed by anyone would be a realistic goal and I'd say three years of intelligent work under O'Neill could get us to that point.
Kildare haven't had anyone since Micko that has been associated with success at senior inter-county level in a management/coaching role.
And by success, I mean actual silverware.
Bryan Murphy, Padraig Brennan and Brian Flanagan announced as selectors.
Delighted Murphy is involved. He has done great work with the underage teams.