FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[sid waddell]

Travers for that second goal was like that Armagh goalkeeper who kept going on safari in an Ulster championship match against Cavan at Breffni Park a few years ago, 2016 I think, yer man Brody for Laois does it as well

[Itchy]

Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Same place Travers was until his loan was cancelled a few months ago.

There are three young keepers vying for Randolfs shirt when he hangs up the gloves. Kelleher is in front, agreed? So Travers and Bazunu are fightimg for third choice. Bazunu is the better prospect, playing every week and has more overall gametime under his belt.

[sid waddell]

Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Should it really matter though what level a goalkeeper is getting experience at as long it's half decent, you have to perform the same tasks regardless of level

Like, Ederson for Manchester City doesn't have to do a whole lot because his team is so dominant, doesn't actually help your goalkeeping skills

The main difference with goalkeeping at different levels is the pressure, Premier League and internationals carry a lot more pressure than League One, but there wouldn't be much of a difference in terms of what type of shots a goalkeeper has to face, it's different from outfield play in that regard where there's a vast gap in standard

[Baile Brigín 2]

Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Should it really matter though what level a goalkeeper is getting experience at as long it's half decent, you have to perform the same tasks regardless of level

Like, Ederson for Manchester City doesn't have to do a whole lot because his team is so dominant, doesn't actually help your goalkeeping skills

The main difference with goalkeeping at different levels is the pressure, Premier League and internationals carry a lot more pressure than League One, but there wouldn't be much of a difference in terms of what type of shots a goalkeeper has to face, it's different from outfield play in that regard where there's a vast gap in standard

I think Mitrović hit him with something you don't face in training at Bournemouth to be fair.

I broadly agree with you but the top goalkeepers get to top clubs because they don't drift into no mans land. That said you would get chewed in a pub league going walkies like he did

[seafoid]

2 away goals is very decent. Ireland have to beat Serbia at home , win all the other home matches and pick  up as many points as possible away.
If they could score goals again it would obviously help. Goals have been a problem for some time.

They scored 7 goals in 8 matches in Euro 2020 qualification
They scored 12 goals in 10 matches in World Cup 2018 qualification

[Itchy]

2 away goals is very decent. Ireland have to beat Serbia at home , win all the other home matches and pick  up as many points as possible away.
If they could score goals again it would obviously help. Goals have been a problem for some time.

They scored 7 goals in 8 matches in Euro 2020 qualification
They scored 12 goals in 10 matches in World Cup 2018 qualification

It is highly unlikely we will win at home against Portugal and against Serbia because they simply have much much better players than us, Portugal brought on Bruno Fernandez as a sub yesterday for example. That is the reality. That doesn't mean I don't agree with you saying it was a decent performance and 2 away goals is good. Kenny can only do the best he can with what he has but we do not have a Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff etc anymore. He can only do the best he can with what he has. People need to re-calibrate their expectations I'm afraid.

[Applesisapples]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

[seafoid]

Clark got bullied off two headers for the 1st and 3rd goals. Big mistake from Travers for the 2nd one. Serbia didn't create much outside of that.

Coleman, Cullen, Browne and Robinson were the best of the starting team.

Keogh is back playing for Huddersfield https://int.soccerway.com/teams/england/huddersfield-town-fc/726/
Would he not be worth a twirl ?

[galwayman]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.

[seafoid]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.

In rugby the teams feed the provinces which feed the national team
In soccer the teams feed English soccer.

It's a big difference

[Applesisapples]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.

In rugby the teams feed the provinces which feed the national team
In soccer the teams feed English soccer.

It's a big difference

The point I am making is that if a youngster is good at ball sports and fancies making some cash out of it, it is easier if he has the choice to pursue a career in rugby. the odds on making it are less. Good Gaelic players can also have lucrative careers of the pitch which will sustain them longer than a career in lower league soccer. Only a minuscule percentage have a chance of being the next Roy Keane. This coupled with an influx of ready developed "foreign players" in to the English game squeezes the opportunities further for non English players who will always get precedence.

[sid waddell]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

Professional rugby has nothing to do with it and GAA has little to do with it

Societal changes have more to do with it than anything, I spent a decade from 6 to 16 playing football on the street and elsewhere, how many kids do that these days? The street is where you need to learn your skills

I would have been of the view that Kenny may not be up to the job but after last night I would be less of that view, he deserves time at least, which means the whole of this campaign minimum, and probably the whole of the next one - as long as there's a general line of progress

But disastrous individual results can always do for a manager - Staunton would have got another campaign but for Cyprus

So Kenny really needs to be picking up full points from Luxembourg and Azerbaijan during this group

We aren't going to qualify so forget that

[seafoid]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.

In rugby the teams feed the provinces which feed the national team
In soccer the teams feed English soccer.

It's a big difference

The point I am making is that if a youngster is good at ball sports and fancies making some cash out of it, it is easier if he has the choice to pursue a career in rugby. the odds on making it are less. Good Gaelic players can also have lucrative careers of the pitch which will sustain them longer than a career in lower league soccer. Only a minuscule percentage have a chance of being the next Roy Keane. This coupled with an influx of ready developed "foreign players" in to the English game squeezes the opportunities further for non English players who will always get precedence.

That las point is the main reason the BIG are in their current state. Irish players need access to and maximum exposure to the highest level. This was possible in the 1980s and 90s.  Now the EPL takes players from all over the world and Irish players get squeezed out.

[Itchy]

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.

In rugby the teams feed the provinces which feed the national team
In soccer the teams feed English soccer.

It's a big difference

The point I am making is that if a youngster is good at ball sports and fancies making some cash out of it, it is easier if he has the choice to pursue a career in rugby. the odds on making it are less. Good Gaelic players can also have lucrative careers of the pitch which will sustain them longer than a career in lower league soccer. Only a minuscule percentage have a chance of being the next Roy Keane. This coupled with an influx of ready developed "foreign players" in to the English game squeezes the opportunities further for non English players who will always get precedence.

That las point is the main reason the BIG are in their current state. Irish players need access to and maximum exposure to the highest level. This was possible in the 1980s and 90s.  Now the EPL takes players from all over the world and Irish players get squeezed out.

Not just Irish players, I forget what game I was watching the other day but it was two of the premier league top 6 playing each other, think one of the teams was Leicester. Both starting teams had 2 English born players in the English top flight. With Brexit now forcing Irish kids to trials in continental Europe where the polution of money is less an issue, that might actually help us.