Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm

Started by RedHand88, August 04, 2019, 09:27:02 PM

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Whishtup

Quote from: greatpoint on August 12, 2019, 05:26:41 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 05:16:34 PMTyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact.

It's nowhere near a fact, why are you doing this to yourself? The victory over Roscommon was their biggest result this season and they haven't beaten a big team in Croke Park in 10 years now.
How you can seriously not consider a team who has reached  several semi finals and a final in this past few years as one of the top teams in the country? What's the logic-because they haven't beaten a 'top team' (Kerry/Mayo top teams last year or only this year?) in a fictitious game!  The fact is that there was only a kick of a ball between Kerry and Tyrone and even many neutrals agree that Deegan rode us.  How we reacted to this was disappointing but that can be worked on.  Mayo (who were beaten by Roscommon)were bet out the gate in the other semi.  This clearly makes kerry/Tyrone 2nd, 3rd teams in the Country.  Why is this so hard to accept?

Captain Obvious

Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 12:46:01 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

dublin7

Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well

tonto1888

Quote from: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 12, 2019, 12:13:24 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.

Which team who didn't get to the semi finals are better

The team that beat Tyrone i'd say but got the harder group.

Look at the last few years. Tyrone are one of the top 4 teams. At least

Wildweasel74

At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.

Whishtup

Quote from: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 06:44:25 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well
This commentary about defensive tactics is outdated by at least a year.  There was more kick passing in to the forward line yesterday than any game that I've watched this year and very little lateral passing.  The defending was no different to anything that Dublin do when required.  Had Mayo defended en masse after half time against the Dubs for 15 minutes, they mightn't have got so badly tanked.

Regarding the final last year,  after the penalty there were five minutes left and yes Dublin stepped it up after some terrible Tyrone wides.  That's not a team winning with the brakes on.  Tyrone were in the game.

square_ball

Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 08:25:41 PM
At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.
Mayo, at present, got annihilated by Dublin.

When did Donegal put it up to Dublin?

Dublin are a million miles ahead of everyone. Fighting over the order of the next best teams is like bald men fighting over a comb.

Whishtup

Quote from: square_ball on August 12, 2019, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 12, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 08:25:41 PM
At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.
Mayo, at present, got annihilated by Dublin.

When did Donegal put it up to Dublin?

Dublin are a million miles ahead of everyone. Fighting over the order of the next best teams is like bald men fighting over a comb.
As a bald Tyrone man, I'm highly offended...

J70

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 12:46:01 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it's all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.


Armagh18

Quote from: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 12, 2019, 12:13:24 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.

Which team who didn't get to the semi finals are better

The team that beat Tyrone i'd say but got the harder group.

Look at the last few years. Tyrone are one of the top 4 teams. At least
Not an awful pile to chose between the 4 teams below Dublin but I'd rate Tyrone the weakest of 4. All capable of beating each other though, pity we couldn't play an All Ireland without the Dubs it would be some competition.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2019, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 12, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 12:46:01 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it's all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.


Whishtup

1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.


screenexile

Quote from: LooseCannon on August 12, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?

Got the message... has to be a wind up I know Tyrone are bad but even I don't think them capable of that!!!

Would fair shut up the poor Petey Harte brigade if true!