County Manager Merry go round

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Do you credit McKenna and McRory with the 2003 win in the same way?

[imtommygunn]

Yes. Harte had 2 others on top of it too and the way his successors are going I think that's highly unlikely they will repeat that.

[NAG1]

At what point are we looking to P Tally's influence during Mickey's AI wins?

I just don't get this from Derry at all, weird in the extreme.

[tyrone08]

At what point are we looking to P Tally's influence during Mickey's AI wins?

I just don't get this from Derry at all, weird in the extreme.

Once you scratch the surface you can see that between 03-08 there was a combination of p tally and tony Donnelly in tyrone backroom team. Once those lads left so did tyrones AIs.

P left in 2004 after a fallout with mickey and tony left in 2012.

Seems they were the main tactical brains behind the scenes.

Its easier to take a down and out team in division 4 and instill some confidence and structre and get promoted rather than take a top end team to an AI against similarly strong opposition.

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Harte gets credit for the 3 All Irelands but no word of the 3 or 4 he left on the table. He had the greatest generation of footballers Tyrone ever produced and won only 3 all Irelands with them. Kerry who Tyrone were far better than won 5 between 2000 - 09.

Tyrone won those All Ireland's in spite of him, not because of him.

[clarshack]

Harte gets credit for the 3 All Irelands but no word of the 3 or 4 he left on the table. He had the greatest generation of footballers Tyrone ever produced and won only 3 all Irelands with them. Kerry who Tyrone were far better than won 5 between 2000 - 09.

Tyrone won those All Ireland's in spite of him, not because of him.

For me 2010 was the one that was left behind the most.

[imtommygunn]

Harte gets credit for the 3 All Irelands but no word of the 3 or 4 he left on the table. He had the greatest generation of footballers Tyrone ever produced and won only 3 all Irelands with them. Kerry who Tyrone were far better than won 5 between 2000 - 09.

Tyrone won those All Ireland's in spite of him, not because of him.

Blinded by your dislike of the man. That bit in bold is absolute nonsense.

2010 yes you should have been closer. You did not throw 3 or 4 AIs away in that time.

Won only 3 AIs - sure before him you had none. Only 3 AIs

[JoG2]

Strange folk across the county border, very very hard pleased

[tyrone08]

Strange folk across the county border, very very hard pleased

Lets see how derry do with him and how they feel after the 3 year period.

[imtommygunn]

He may be spent now - I guess we'll see - but he wasn't spent for most of his tenure at Tyrone.

[Captain Obvious]

Harte gets credit for the 3 All Irelands but no word of the 3 or 4 he left on the table. He had the greatest generation of footballers Tyrone ever produced and won only 3 all Irelands with them. Kerry who Tyrone were far better than won 5 between 2000 - 09.

Tyrone won those All Ireland's in spite of him, not because of him.

Blinded by your dislike of the man. That bit in bold is absolute nonsense.

2010 yes you should have been closer. You did not throw 3 or 4 AIs away in that time.

Won only 3 AIs - sure before him you had none. Only 3 AIs

And when you call him out on such nonsense he'll come back with more.

[bennydorano]

The revisionism is a joke. The buck stops with the Managers - end of, good or bad, N2s can getaway in the smoke a bit, getting the plaudits for successes and no blame for the failures. Can remember the same arguments being trotted out for Joe Kernan & Paul Grimley.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

Harte gets credit for the 3 All Irelands but no word of the 3 or 4 he left on the table. He had the greatest generation of footballers Tyrone ever produced and won only 3 all Irelands with them. Kerry who Tyrone were far better than won 5 between 2000 - 09.

Tyrone won those All Ireland's in spite of him, not because of him.

This just isn't credible. Mickey was indeed fortunate that a great generation of players came along (to be honest his record as minor manager was very mixed until they arrived and he was perhaps lucky still to be in that job at that point) but he was also absolutely key in nurturing those players and ensuring Tyrone got so many of them through from successful minor teams to senior success. They believed in him and were extremely well prepared. The 2005 team was absolutely superb and Mickey as manager and leader was absolutely fundamental, you can't seriously suggest otherwise. I don't think you can credibly claim either he left loads of titles behind. 2004 wasn't realistic given what happened. The injuries in 2006 would have finished any team and the legacy of that meant 2007 was very unlikely too.

That takes us too his greatest achievement, building a team in 2008 which didn't have all the stars of previous years but was more than the sum of its parts. Mickey again fundamental. Funnily enough it was also the start of his decline. Rather than develop that team he tried to go back to the returning stalwarts and Tyrone were never as good. 2009 and 2010 were definitely there for the taking but Tyrone went backwards from 2008. He subsequently failed to make the most of strong under age teams and went down the road of trying to out do McGuinness with a defensive style his team never perfected, ending up with a team that was micro managed and scared to deviate from the script. 2021 saw a team released from the shackles and playing with freedom.

He was the perfect charismatic figure to lift an underachieving county like Louth and the gig got Louth up a couple of leagues and gave Mickey's reputation a nice boost, but I didn't see any evidence that his style had evolved. I can't see him developing Derry much there either, best hope is that his leadership and experience is able to knock them on a level or two on the big days.

[JoG2]

Strange folk across the county border, very very hard pleased

Lets see how derry do with him and how they feel after the 3 year period.

Let's, but I find it hard to process you boys belittling and hating on the man who delivered you 3, yes 3 All Ireland titles! Not wise

[imtommygunn]

Harte gets credit for the 3 All Irelands but no word of the 3 or 4 he left on the table. He had the greatest generation of footballers Tyrone ever produced and won only 3 all Irelands with them. Kerry who Tyrone were far better than won 5 between 2000 - 09.

Tyrone won those All Ireland's in spite of him, not because of him.

Blinded by your dislike of the man. That bit in bold is absolute nonsense.

2010 yes you should have been closer. You did not throw 3 or 4 AIs away in that time.

Won only 3 AIs - sure before him you had none. Only 3 AIs

And when you call him out on such nonsense he'll come back with more.

I know he's generally a wum but I think he actually believes that.