Can't find one (if there is one).
Anyone watch Calzaghe v Kessler? Great fight, kept you on the edge of your seat from go to wo. Calzaghe a deserving enough winner on the volume of shots and style but Kessler had all the power, CAlzaghe could've hit him until next week and would never have knocked him down. I'd fear for Calzaghe if he steps up to light heavy as seems to be his plan, as he really is powderpuff in the power stakes. Kessler is a classy, powerful fighter and will surely be the next super middleweight champ if Joe moves up. Fair play to Joe, he's up there with the greats, like Charlie Nash, hugh Russell and sam storey :P
i didnt see this fight but from reading some reports on it, it sounds like it was a cracker.
so is joe now going to take some fights over in the US? hopkins? what you think his chances would be at that weight? age is against him
Thought it was a great fight. Calazaghe is one of the all time greats. He was struggling early when he tried to turn it into a brawl with Kessler's power but showed how adoptable he can be to pick Kessler of with clever boxing for the rest of the fight. People say he has no power but his knockout rate speaks for itself and Kessler himself admitted to be being hurt by his punches. Kesslers face looked bad enough after the fight whereas you would hardly have known Calazghe was in a fight. Id say he only has 1 or 2 fights left as age will soon catch up on him but think he should still have enough left to account for an aging Hopkins. Dont think there's any other light heavyweights that he couldnt beat. Clinton Woods is fairly usefull at that weight but dont think it would be a big enough pay day to risk taking him on.
good fight even if i had to stay up to 1am to watch it
sounds like it was a great fight. joe has said himself that hes nearly finished and will only be giving it one more year. would fancy him against hopkins i think (what age is hopkins now, must be 43 or 44) but in saying that it will probably turn into a brawl. id say that will be his next fight though as he has done all he can do at super middle.
im genuinely interested in the boxing but yet couldnt see the fight on sat night (dad wasnt at all happy with me suggesting subscription to setanta). big problem. gaa should take note.
Calzaghe did very well to win on Saturday, after 6 rounds it was really touch and go, and I thought Kessler looked the stronger. However, like a great champion, he went into the trenches to take a bit out of Kessler and then jabbed well for the remaining rounds to clinch a deserved victory.
A good fight, Kessler was a very dignified loser as well, respect all round.
Calzaghe showed what an exceptional champion he was on Saturday by adapting his strategy after a nervy first 6 rounds to end up cruising away with the fight.
The fight on this Saturday, Cotto v Mosley should be an ansolute cracker, which is on Setanta. Cotto v Judah was a super fight last time and as Mosley is more disciplined than Judah he may give Cotto a lot of trouble.
anyone going to the duddy fight in the kings hall? tickets are £40, dunno whether to go or not. think it could be a good fight and definitely think eastman could give him his toughest fight yet. have seen him a couple of times on tv and he looks a very durable fighter. is duddy all hes cracked up to be?
Quote from: behind the wire on November 05, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
anyone going to the duddy fight in the kings hall? tickets are £40, dunno whether to go or not. think it could be a good fight and definitely think eastman could give him his toughest fight yet. have seen him a couple of times on tv and he looks a very durable fighter. is duddy all hes cracked up to be?
I haven't seen him fight yet, but my Dad has and says he is too easy to hit and cuts up too much. A likeable bloke, but not top quality.
I was surprised he is fighting Eastman - Eastman is lazy and is on the decline now but he is experienced and can really dig when he decides to throw a few punches. If Eastman prepares and applies himself well, I wouldn't be surprised if he beats Duddy.
McCullough is meant to be fighting on the 1st Dec as well - I don't know why they are not on the same bill and give local fight fans some good value. Brian Magee is fighting too so it would then be a decent bill, Duddy topping, followed by McCullough, then Magee. I wouldn't be surprised if the McCullough bill is cancelled mind you, he can't do the Kings Hall himself.
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Quote from: behind the wire on November 05, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
anyone going to the duddy fight in the kings hall? tickets are £40, dunno whether to go or not. think it could be a good fight and definitely think eastman could give him his toughest fight yet. have seen him a couple of times on tv and he looks a very durable fighter. is duddy all hes cracked up to be?
I haven't seen him fight yet, but my Dad has and says he is too easy to hit and cuts up too much. A likeable bloke, but not top quality.
I was surprised he is fighting Eastman - Eastman is lazy and is on the decline now but he is experienced and can really dig when he decides to throw a few punches. If Eastman prepares and applies himself well, I wouldn't be surprised if he beats Duddy.
McCullough is meant to be fighting on the 1st Dec as well - I don't know why they are not on the same bill and give local fight fans some good value. Brian Magee is fighting too so it would then be a decent bill, Duddy topping, followed by McCullough, then Magee. I wouldn't be surprised if the McCullough bill is cancelled mind you, he can't do the Kings Hall himself.
Your Da knows what he's talking about. Duddy' defence is non existing and the first fight against a big hitter he will be on the canvas. (I hope i'm wrong)
The young lad from Lurgan is on that bill as well, S Haughian if he get the right men in his corner he could go places
Calzaghe put on a great show in what was a fantastic fight, even at 35 he just was far too quick for him. He'll step up to fight at light-heavy now, probably fight Hopkins and maybe 1 or 2 fights after that. He'll find the step-up in weight tricky as he hasn't got the most deadly punch, but should still beat Hopkins if the fight comes about (think "the Executioner" is 42 now).
I'm no expert but have been very unimpressed any time I've seen Duddy, no way he'll ever become a world champion which is what his team seem to think. He just gains a lot of hype as he's based in NY and is a big draw due to the Irish immigrant fanbase there.
Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
What about Dunne, is he going to make a comeback? Kiko Martinez will bate the dung out of him again if he does.
Best fight ever was Rocky v Ivan Drago :)
as jim 'the pink panther' rock said about dunne, you can do all the weights you want but it wont put muscles on your chin.
if he is to make a comeback maybe he should be a bit more modest this time, and maybe hold his hands up a bit higher as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 05, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
what is based on? assumptions? top lad and a decent boxer
McCullough to beat Martinez over the distance
PQ
Quote from: peterquaife on November 05, 2007, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 05, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
what is based on? assumptions? top lad and a decent boxer
McCullough to beat Martinez over the distance
PQ
100% based on assumptions, hence the use of the words, 'I think' and 'I believe'.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 05, 2007, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on November 05, 2007, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 05, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
Duddy, continually says himself he's nowhere near ready for a world title shot, for some reason I dont believe that he thinks that, I think he's a cocky so'n'so, who think's he's a lot better than he actually is. Eastman could quite easily beat him.
what is based on? assumptions? top lad and a decent boxer
McCullough to beat Martinez over the distance
PQ
100% based on assumptions, hence the use of the words, 'I think' and 'I believe'.
nice one
PQ
I see Andy Murray from Cavan is fighting James Gorman from Belfast on the undercrad to the Duddy fight, a ten rounder for the Irish light welter weight title...
Anyone any idea what Gorman is like?
I have a feeling Murray will take this one, but Goram is from the Shankill as far as I iknow, a tough bastard who will have a large following in the King's Hall
dont think duddy will go anywhere in the long run - seen him in New York, and the "irish" yanks love him, he can fill a stadium here no probs. Technically I'm not impressed by him, he doesn't seem to have any power or defense and has struggled through messy fights with has been and never were fighters.
I predict Eastman to drop him - HARD
Quote from: The Iceman on November 05, 2007, 05:41:52 PM
dont think duddy will go anywhere in the long run - seen him in New York, and the "irish" yanks love him, he can fill a stadium here no probs. Technically I'm not impressed by him, he doesn't seem to have any power or defense and has struggled through messy fights with has been and never were fighters.
I predict Eastman to drop him - HARD
Whats with the talk a few weeks ago of Duddy challanging Kelly Pavlick. Duddy found it tough against some bum only a few weeks ago. Pavlick would give him a lesson in boxing if they two ever met, wouldnt go past 3 rounds.
duddy is surviving at the minute on the hopes of the Irish americans and his bums on seats marketability
he will continue to take the long road to the title and fight journeymen because he will never be good enough
even if he beats eastman look for press releases and statements from his management saying nobody will take fights with him
He doesnt live up to his hype at all - and he knows it - but fair play - he is earning what he can from a dying sport
Said a long time ago that Duddy was a lot of hype and not massive amount of substance. I stand by that - leaves himself far too open and has no lateral movement. He can dig but Eastman has a good chin and has operated at much higher level, losing by stoppage only to Miranda (stopped by Pavlik in eliminator to fight Taylor) who is a bigger puncher than Duddy. If Eastman turns it on (which he does all too rarely) he should win handily enough. Andy Lee is much more of a prospect all together.
Didn't see the Dunne-Martinez fight but McCullough has such a good chin he'll likely survive the distance - he cant punch though hence is likely to be used as bit of a punch bag for 10-12 rounds.
Was raging to miss the Kessler-Calzaghe fight as was on holiday. Thought Kessler would just be that bit young and strong so fair dues to Calzaghe. He is a great fighter but he is not an all time great fighter - best five names on his record are Kessler, Eubank, Lacey, Brewer and Mitchell.
Someone mentioned Mosley maybe causing Cotto a few problems. I fancy Mosley to win easily enough, possibly by stoppage. I think he is the bigger puncher and has great chin (don't think he has ever been stopped, despite nearly being down and out in first loss to Forrest) and is still one of the faster fighters in the sport. Cotto on the other hand is reasonably fast, has great power and like Hatton has savage body attack and great stamina. He has frequently been hurt however by much lighter punchers than Mosley. I imagine is a potential fight of the year candidate as don't see Mosley being intimidated by Cotto's strength, hence don't think he will need to box him to win. Mosley TKO round 9. Bloody shame it's on Setanta!
good to see you back chattin about the boxing Cike, you have a mind full of boxing info. you must follow it closely. what ever happened to your old thread, it was full of great info.
i like most other irish fight fans would love to see duddy do well but cant see it. eastman will be by far his biggest test yet and could well beat him. maybe harold will dye his beard blonde again for the craic as well.
wats the craic with this lad haughian. have heard a few people talking about him. where does he fight out of? is he one to watch?
Quote from: CiKe on November 05, 2007, 10:09:03 PM
Didn't see the Dunne-Martinez fight but McCullough has such a good chin he'll likely survive the distance - he cant punch though hence is likely to be used as bit of a punch bag for 10-12 rounds.
Someone mentioned Mosley maybe causing Cotto a few problems. I fancy Mosley to win easily enough, possibly by stoppage. I think he is the bigger puncher and has great chin (don't think he has ever been stopped, despite nearly being down and out in first loss to Forrest) and is still one of the faster fighters in the sport. Cotto on the other hand is reasonably fast, has great power and like Hatton has savage body attack and great stamina. He has frequently been hurt however by much lighter punchers than Mosley. I imagine is a potential fight of the year candidate as don't see Mosley being intimidated by Cotto's strength, hence don't think he will need to box him to win. Mosley TKO round 9. Bloody shame it's on Setanta!
I agree with your McCullough prediction.
I haven't seen too much of Mosley or Cotto, but have read a lot about their fights. It's a hard one to choose but I think I would favour Mosley too - either way, its shaping up to be a good fight. On the boxing forums the opinions are split on it. My Da has Setanta so if he records it for me I'll get a chance to watch it.
For those of you like BTW who were sent to bed after Match of the Day last saturday the much maligned BBC has negotiated the rights to show the Calzaghe fight at lunchtime this saturday.
A predictably easy enough win for Froch against Reid last night. No way will he get a shot at Calzaghe though - if Calzaghe was three or four years younger then possibly but not when he has one or two fights left in him. Not that he deserves a shot in any way given the people he has beaten aren't world beaters by any stretch of the imagination - Reid was a good boxer 8-10 years ago but was outboxed by Brian Magee despite dropping him a couple times and was destroyed by Lacy - and we saw what Calzaghe did to him.
Apart from the Moslet Cotto fight tonight, David Haye fights Jean Marc Mormeck in Paris for the right to be called the number one cruiserweight in the world. Haye has awesome power but his chin was tested against Carl Thompson and didn't stand up to well. Mormeck has been in against some big punchers himself and is teak tough. Although he was stopped in 10 rounds by O'Neill Bell a couple years back he won the rematch. He has had many more tough fights than Haye whose stamina has been called into question on many occasions. If it goes past 6 rounds then I think you'd have to fancy Mormeck, before that though I'm not quite sure.
Getting all my predictions wrong lately...Cotto wins by UD over Mosley and Haye stops Mormeck in 7th. Haven't seen either yet but Cotto now in line to fight winner of Mayweather v Hatton. Previously I wouldn't have given him a chance against Mayweather as didn't think he would be able to handle his speed and agility but Mosley is quite a bit faster then the Pretty Boy, but now it could be a pick em.... He'd have to start favourite vs Hatton I think as he is the bigger man and heavier puncher - if Hatton wins that could be the fight of the decade never mind of the year - the two of them are non stop action.
Haye's power got him out of that fight. Brutal finish.
He said he was hurt in the 4th and the wweight he had to lose to make the fight had drained him. He sadi he is not fighting at cruiserweight anymore.
Mosley tried to put a dent in Cotto but couldn't and had to resort to keeping his range. It was a close enough fight scoring wise, but Cotto was the better man. Cotto's defense improved considerably from the Judah fight. He will be very difficult to beat, he is too big for Hatton and I don't think Mayweather could hurt him.
right lads who is going to buy this mayweather hatton fight? have to say im tempted, it better live up to expectations though!!
how much will it cost and what time will it start (the main event that is, not the coverage)?
costs £14.95. its in the early hours, not sure exactly what time the main feature usually starts but id say it will be around 2 or 2.30.
will def watch it. havent look forward to a fight as much maybe ever. don't think ive ever wanted to say an English sports victory as strongly before
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 22, 2007, 12:16:26 PM
how much will it cost and what time will it start (the main event that is, not the coverage)?
Hatton v Mayweather will start around 4.00 in the morning.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 22, 2007, 12:42:34 PM
will def watch it. havent look forward to a fight as much maybe ever. don't think ive ever wanted to say an English sports victory as strongly before
I'd agree, I wasn't disappointed with the football last night, but I'd like to see Hatton win and he'll certainly give it everything he's got. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins. If Mayweather fights like he did against De La Hoya he will get beat, Hatton will put too much pressure on him.
i'll be buying it no matter what the cost. Mayweather easily on pts though I think. Just a better boxer. Eamon Magee flooring hatton still leaves me with doubts over him.
What do you guys make of David Haye ? Basically best crusierweight in the world now, and stepping up to heavy... is he the real deal ?
Haye is seriously good offensively, very accurate and fast puncher.
However, I think he may be a bit chinny.
Did anyone see the first part of the build up on Sky last night? They are doing 4 preview shows in the run up to the fight narrated by the American man who does those class intros for all the big fights. The hype has got me hooked and i will certainly pay the £14.95, plenty of footage of Hatton in his trainer's gym, Billy 'the Preacher' Graham - his is some operator, he is a chain smoking Salford man who looks as hard as nails (real street fighter material). Hatton comes across as very likeable and down to earth, but he seems too keen to project the 'I have not forgotten where I came from' mantra. Mayweather is an absolute t*t, though his class as a boxer is not in question, but he is Kanye West's half brother in waiting!
Incidentally the Sunday Times Magazie had a great interview with Hatton last week, well worth reading, apparently Rooney or Beckham will carry his belt into the ring subject to their availability (if it was next June they could both do it!!).
Just hope the fight lives up to expectations.
dont know about that doogie, read an article on the bbc website where Hatton said he wouldn't have any belts brought to the ring, so as he could 'feel like the challenger'
I can see where he is coming from with that alright steve, but I was only replicating what I read. But that would be much better as Mayweather is very flash and sure to have a massive entourage with him, if Hatton keeps it simple would be less distractions. Think Hatton is 2/1 with a lot of the bookies is this accurate and more importantly has he got much of a chance against Mayweather's class?
Quote from: Doogie Browser on November 22, 2007, 02:07:59 PM
I can see where he is coming from with that alright steve, but I was only replicating what I read. But that would be much better as Mayweather is very flash and sure to have a massive entourage with him, if Hatton keeps it simple would be less distractions. Think Hatton is 2/1 with a lot of the bookies is this accurate and more importantly has he got much of a chance against Mayweather's class?
I think Hatton has an excellent chance. He is a lot more skilled than people give him credit for. Mayweather hasn't ko'd anyone for a long time, he won't be able to significantly hurt Hatton unlike Kostya Tzsyu, who if he had connected properly could have ko'd him. Hatton will be on top of him for the entire fight and won't let him breathe. I think it'll be a lot tighter than some people think, is probably a certainty to go the distance.
Ach this isn't as good as the bodybuilding thread!!!
Quote from: glens73 on November 22, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
is probably a certainty to go the distance.
Nice one glens :D
The 2/1 on Hatton is probably just too big
Mayweather is a class act, but as stated before Hatton will be at him from the very start, constantly coming forward & giving him no rest at all. If Hatton can keep at him for the 1st 6/7 rounds an upset could be on the cards towards the end of the fight IMHO
Quote from: full back on November 22, 2007, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: glens73 on November 22, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
is probably a certainty to go the distance.
Nice one glens :D
The 2/1 on Hatton is probably just too big
Mayweather is a class act, but as stated before Hatton will be at him from the very start, constantly coming forward & giving him no rest at all. If Hatton can keep at him for the 1st 6/7 rounds an upset could be on the cards towards the end of the fight IMHO
Didn't even notice that fullback, had to read it back a couple of times. :D
I really hope Hatton does ko him, he's never be the same cocksure arrogant fecker again.
My brother was in a bar in Spain about 6,7 years ago playing pool when a coupe of lads put a few quid on the table. My bro was with his girlfriend and there was very few other people around. They finnished their game, and told the other lads to play on. One of the boys waiting said...
"You own the table, so I'll pay if you want a game"
My brother said no problem, and ended up playing for a hour or so with, having the craic. He said they were 'sound'. After half an hour, this girl walks in and asks one of the guys for an autograph. Strange he thinks...
A wee while later....it happens again.
Eventually after half-a-dozen autograph hunters, photographs etc. the guy doing the signing heads to the toilet. My brother asks his mate 'who's yer man?'
'That's Ricky..he does a wee bit of boxing back home'.
My brother thought nothing of it, as he was so down to earth.
With this attitude....I say....come on Ricky!
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Hatton stands a chance against Mayweather. Hopefully even if he does get beat he'll put up a good fight though and get another big pay-day against Mayweather again or Cotto.
I think Mayweather wins by three clear rounds, as follows:
1) DLH couldn't hurt Mayweather and is bigger and stronger than Hatton. If DLH can't bully him neither will Hatton.
2) Hatton couldn't hurt Collazo in his only previous fight at welterweight.
3) Hatton faded badly down the stretch in the Collazo fight - I had him losing by at least three rounds and thought it was robbery.
4) Floyd is ALWAYS in tip top shape and definitely has the stamina I believe - even though Hatton will be over him like a rash
5) Floyd is defensively brilliant on the inside with the way he tucks in his elbows and rolls the shoulders.
6) Looking at Hatton on the documentary last night, he looks about 10 yrs older than he is - he has very few fights left in him, and I wouldn't pay too much attention to him beating Castillo the way he did (awesome shot as it was)
7) Floyd is, quite simply, the most skilful boxer of the last 20 years - his amazing footwork and agility means he is rarely in trouble - he aint called the Pretty Boy for nothing - there is barely a mark on him after twenty years in the ring.
I want Floyd to win as I think he is just incredible. If he does and then beats Cotto, then I think he has the right to be called the best since Ali.
Does anyone know a link to an online stream to see Felix Trinidad v Roy Jones Jr this weekend?
They're both shot fighters but because of this it could be a real slugfest, they're not going to have great stamina so I can't imagine that it will go the distance.
go to myp2p.eu
look for sopcast
you can watch a bunch of sporting events including soccer that is normally on sky
Happy as a pig in sh1te. Ticketmaster released more tickets for Andy Lee's fight in Limerick on the 2nd, and I managed to get 2 of them. I forgot about it when they initially went on sale.
Still no opponent named, but sure the undercard should be a bit of craic anyway.
Quote from: The Iceman on January 17, 2008, 04:45:08 PM
go to myp2p.eu
look for sopcast
you can watch a bunch of sporting events including soccer that is normally on sky
Cheers, I just heard its on Setanta anyway after the Matt Skelton heavyweight title fight, so i'll be able to watch it on that
would be very surprised to see anything other than a Jones Jr win. Tito was great to watch but was never a great boxer. His awesome power got him out of trouble on numerous occasions and he has been down on his arse many times. Jones has always fought at a heavier weight than Tito, has taken heavier punches and is naturally the bigger and stronger man, as well as being faster and more skilful. He has showed in his last couple of fights that he still has a bit to offer, and I would be surprised if it wasn't enough to stop Tito down the stretch
Quote from: CiKe on January 18, 2008, 11:02:17 PM
would be very surprised to see anything other than a Jones Jr win. Tito was great to watch but was never a great boxer. His awesome power got him out of trouble on numerous occasions and he has been down on his arse many times. Jones has always fought at a heavier weight than Tito, has taken heavier punches and is naturally the bigger and stronger man, as well as being faster and more skilful. He has showed in his last couple of fights that he still has a bit to offer, and I would be surprised if it wasn't enough to stop Tito down the stretch
Would agree with that, Trinidad has hardly fought in the past couple of years and the weight step-up could be a big problem. I hear RJJ is talking about trying to engineer a fight with Calzaghe if they both win their upcoming fights, I hope Calzaghe doesn't go for that simply to line his pockets. If those 2 were going to fight they should have done it years ago.
Any thoughts on the Pavlick Taylor scrap at the weekend?
I hope this is on Sky or Setanta does anyone know? This will be a close one to call, I hope Pavlik wins as he's been lined up to fight John Duddy for a title fight in the spring (belts aren't on the line for this weekend's fight) and it would lose a lot of the glamour if Pavlik was to get beat by Taylor. For a man whose beaten Hopkins twice, drew with Winky Wright and has only one defeat on his record Taylor has never really got huge credit he deserves though and I think he'll be really spurred on to get his revenge on Pavlik.
I see after Andy Lee's latest victory Emmanuel Steward said Lee was the best middleweight in the world at the minuute, that's big talk I look forward to the Limerick man getting a shot at one of these two hopefully later in the year or early 2009.
QuoteI hope this is on Sky or Setanta does anyone know?
Setanta it is.
Hope Pavlick does it as well - more that Duddy is next up for him. Strong words from Steward re Lee alright- Early next year for Andy I think - couple of more fights and then the title. Honestly think he has all the attributes necessary.
The worry about Lee for me is that he seems to cut a bit easily. The Argentinian fella barely laid a glove on him, but he still cut him with a shot. I thought it was a clash of heads, but I think it was a right that did it. Also, Lee got cut in a clash with McKay.
Unless he can sort that out, and it's very hard to do anything about that, when he starts taking more punches against better fighters he will cut up.
Seen in the Irish news yesterday that Hatton is calling out Mayweather for a rematch :o He says he wants to fight him at Manchester Citys home ground!! Anyone here any confirmation of this?
its on BBC boxing - he wants a rematch and has been in contact with Mayweather since the match.
Says that he wants to fight him but with a different ref - that the ref in their last fight made him afraid to get stuck in (or words to that effect).
The Taylor - Pavlik rematch should be a good one, though rematches seldom live up to the billing, particularly when one was pretty convincingly stopped the last time. However, Pavlik was nearly stopped in the second round last time and might be susceptible in the early rounds again. If Taylor learns to duck away from Pavlik's right hand, he could get a decision too.
Pavlik isn't fancy but he is strong as an ox - he's the favourite and rightly so, but if I had to stick a pound down I'd go for Taylor in an upset.
i dunno if i would have pavlik as favourite, taylor should have had him beat early in the fight. he walked into a few of pavliks big punches and couldn stand up to them, i dont think he'll get caught like that again. taylor to win in third round knockout. if taylor does win, do you think they will fight for the belts in a third match??
Time flies didn't realise this was on already.
First fight was a great fight, and after having started slowly in a couple fights and having never started at all against Cory Spinks, Taylor came out pretty fast and almost had him away. He knows he can knock him out which will be psychologically important.
Of course, things didn't go to plan and as the fight wore on, Pavlik's huge heart and massive right began to become important factors. The fight was correctly stopped, but it has largely been forgotten that Taylor wasn't in any sort of trouble prior to that point - yes he was being caught, but dont think anyone expected the KO the way it happened - spectacular and fairly brutal. Taylor is without shadow a doubt the better boxer, equally Pavlik definitely a better fighter. In this type of scenario always inclined to go with the brains over brawn and the ring smarts to win the day.
Taylor by split decision in a fight where he is required to show more heart than he ever has in his career so far.
Well Pavlick by unanimous decision. He's a tough fighter who I think would beat Duddy
i underestimated pavlik, he won pretty convincinly. he may not knock duddy out, but the way duddy tends to cut would be a big worry for me. duddy will definately fancy his chances as pavlik is well suited for him.
Quote from: bridgegael on February 17, 2008, 11:12:04 AM
i underestimated pavlik, he won pretty convincinly. he may not knock duddy out, but the way duddy tends to cut would be a big worry for me. duddy will definately fancy his chances as pavlik is well suited for him.
I'd disagree Bridgegael, Pavlik will destroy Duddy, he's on a different level. Obviosuly Duddy has a punchers chance and he needs to get to him early, otherwise he's in trouble. I fear he could get badly hurt.
I had Pavlik winning by a point against Taylor who threw the classier punches but seemed fearful of applying too much pressure in case it went the same way as the first contest.
Duddy has a decent chin (he needs to given how much he lets himself get hit) but would still be shocked if he managed to go the distance against Pavlik. Thought the fight last night was closer than it was scored, I thought it was pretty much level until the last 2 rounds.
Quote from: Rav67 on February 17, 2008, 04:07:13 PM
Duddy has a decent chin (he needs to given how much he lets himself get hit) but would still be shocked if he managed to go the distance against Pavlik. Thought the fight last night was closer than it was scored, I thought it was pretty much level until the last 2 rounds.
Me too. I had it 115 - 113. Taylor got off most of the best shots, but Pavlik was more consistant, and almost always on the front foot. If he could have found the body earlier, I think he'd have stopped Taylor.
Very good fight though. Just shows you the level Andy Lee has to get to. Not there yet by a long chalk I think.
had the fight 115 to 113 for pavelik.cannot see duddy going the distance with pavelik as he will take too much punishment.i thought taylor fought a good fight but if a fighter with his speed and power cannot beat pavelik how is duddy going to beat him as he is a few notches below taylor in terms of talent and boxing skill?
How do you boys score these fights when watching them on the tv? Just marks out of 10 for the rounds? I notice sometimes the judges marking the cards 8s, 9s and 10s for most of the rounds. What happens when its a top notch fight versus a crap one? Does the average of the marks decrease - or are these the numbers generally awarded to the fighters regardless of the standard of the fight.
I dont mind admitting I havnt a notion. But I did break both my hands in the ring once...
The refs kept stepping on them :-\
Quote from: Puckoon on February 18, 2008, 04:21:21 AM
How do you boys score these fights when watching them on the tv? Just marks out of 10 for the rounds? I notice sometimes the judges marking the cards 8s, 9s and 10s for most of the rounds. What happens when its a top notch fight versus a crap one? Does the average of the marks decrease - or are these the numbers generally awarded to the fighters regardless of the standard of the fight.
I dont mind admitting I havnt a notion. But I did break both my hands in the ring once...
The refs kept stepping on them :-\
The general standard is 10 points if you win the round, 9 points if you lose it, but nothing major happens. If you take a right tanking in the round you can lose it 10-8. Also if you are knocked down, it's 10-8. 2 knock downs is 10-7.
If the round is very tight it can be a draw (10-10).
In the pavlik fight, I had Pavlik winning 7 rounds, and Taylor winning 5. (That's 7*10 + 5*9 versus 5*10 + 7*9) That gave me 115 v 113.
I see Pretty Boy Floyd is back in the ring again - this time a Professional Wrestling ring
Heard Duddy was terrible on Saturday despite getting a win. He really is a journeyman who has managed to get himself a career above his station, based on NY's fondness of the Irish, and the fact he seems a decent spud.
I saw the fight last night, and if Duddy shows such a blatant disregard for the basics of defensive boxing such as keeping your guard up, moving your head and moving your feet, he will be absolutely mauled by Pavlik.
He does seem to have a great chin, because some of the belts he took seemed to be good shots, but Pavlik has power as well, and I wouldn't fancy beating Pavlik if my tactic was to lead with my chin.
Also, like Lee, Duddy cuts up. Unlike Lee, he puts himself in position to be hit often, so he doesn't help himself. The cut he got under his left eye on Saturday should arguably have stopped the fight, and that would have been slán to Irish John Duddy as a serious title challenger.
I hope it was just over confidence, because Pavlik would have destroyed him on Saturday.
The heavyweight fight with Klitschko afterwards was a load of muck. Klitschko was cagey out, he should have stopped that lad in 4 or 5 rounds. I think he's actually afraid to get hit.
Yeah Duddy was stupid alright - Leading with the chin is never a smart option. I'd say he'll be out for a while now to let those eyes recover.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 19, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
I see Pretty Boy Floyd is back in the ring again - this time a Professional Wrestling ring
and he's getting $20 million for it
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_en_tv/box_wrestling_mayweather
all right lads thinking of bringing my dad to Bernard dunnes fight in Breaffy house in castlebar ok i know ringside are the best seats ( €155 yo yo a pop bit too dear methinks) but what would be next best after that, tiered , flat? they are on sale at www.ticketmaster.ie
anyone see the kiko martinez fight last night. he was beat on points by english fighter rendall munroe. munroe out boxed him throughout. kiko i thought showed himself to be a one trick pony, always looking for the big knockout punch. were will this leave bernard dunne now?? he was hoping for a rematch. if dunne were to fight munroe i would fancy dunne to win.
Quote from: bridgegael on March 08, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
anyone see the kiko martinez fight last night. he was beat on points by english fighter rendall munroe. munroe out boxed him throughout. kiko i thought showed himself to be a one trick pony, always looking for the big knockout punch. were will this leave bernard dunne now?? he was hoping for a rematch. if dunne were to fight munroe i would fancy dunne to win.
Yeah, agree with you here bridgegael, kiko always was looking for one big punch to win the fight and it never materialised. I though Munroe boxed smartly but he doesnt really have the calibre of a champion to me, i could not see this guy really taking charge of a fight but then again this is the 1st time i saw him and he would have been well aware of kiko's power so his gameplan was probably to back off as long as possible and try to pick him off with some sneaky punches. One thing Munroe has though is incredible stamina even if he lacks a bit of punching power, he fully deserved the victory last night as kiko was very ordinary when faced with a lengthy fight where it required more brains than brawn. Like to see a Munroe vs dunne fight now as Dunne would have the worry of being knocked the f**k out again!!!
Quote from: bridgegael on March 08, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
anyone see the kiko martinez fight last night. he was beat on points by english fighter rendall munroe. munroe out boxed him throughout. kiko i thought showed himself to be a one trick pony, always looking for the big knockout punch. were will this leave bernard dunne now?? he was hoping for a rematch. if dunne were to fight munroe i would fancy dunne to win.
Didn't see the fight as I was out last night, but despite the result I still think Dunne needs to seek out Martinez again if he is to have any credibility as a fighter and beat him to banish the demons of that night. Then he could possibly move on to get a world title shot in the next year or 2.
Also the Haye Macarinelli fight is on tonight on Setanta I hear. I see Haye has been at the mind games turning up late for the press conference and insisting on an earlier weigh-in. Frank Warren was seriously pissed off with him, but I think its given Haye a bit of a psychological advantage as Macarinelli will be annoyed at his opponent gaining any supposed advantage. Macarinelli's main chance of winning tonight will be Haye's weight problems, he's had problems getting below 200lb and this will be his last fight at cruiserweight. Might impact on his power for the fight but I still expect him to win.
link for tonight match, you need to download sopcast and use IE not firefox etc
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun9.3/Haye_Maccarinelli.html (http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun9.3/Haye_Maccarinelli.html)
Haye TKO round 2. He has awesome power so I think the step-up to heavyweight which will follow this fight won't be too much of a problem so long as he takes a bit of a lay-off to put on a few lbs and get used to the different weight. Going by what I've seen of the current top heavyweights I'd expect Haye to win a world title at heavy and maybe even unify the division within 2/3 years.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 09, 2008, 03:21:39 AM
Haye TKO round 2. He has awesome power so I think the step-up to heavyweight which will follow this fight won't be too much of a problem so long as he takes a bit of a lay-off to put on a few lbs and get used to the different weight. Going by what I've seen of the current top heavyweights I'd expect Haye to win a world title at heavy and maybe even unify the division within 2/3 years.
would agree with you there rav, there isn,t too much quality in the heavyweight division and haye would fancy his chances of cleaning up. he just blew enzo away with his power. i think he'd be a lot more comfortable with those extra pounds. won a few quid on the fight, had a few pound on haye to win in round two at 14/1 ;D
I saw on setenta the last few rounds of the Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez fight that went down recently. Have to say pretty great stuff to watch, 2 guys giving it there all, 2 very good boxers it must be said. I think this was a rematch as the 1st time they met it ended in a draw.
Calzaghe vs Hopkins coming up soon should be a good one. Any other big profile fights around the corner that i should be on the look out for?
Anyone hear the rumour re Mayweather vs De Le Hoya possible rematch??
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines//EkpyEVEVVFcgzdBMqo.html
Shocking result!
a shock indeed, where will this leave lee now?? a few weeks ago we thought ireland woul've at least one middleweight fighting in a title match, now it seems that won't happen. lee will be gutted with that result!
should be a good fight tonight with macklin and campus, if its anywhere as good as duddy and campus we're in for a treat.
Quote from: bridgegael on March 22, 2008, 08:49:19 AM
a shock indeed, where will this leave lee now?? a few weeks ago we thought ireland woul've at least one middleweight fighting in a title match, now it seems that won't happen. lee will be gutted with that result!
should be a good fight tonight with macklin and campus, if its anywhere as good as duddy and campus we're in for a treat.
Is this fight on TV Bridgegael?
aye RTE2 at nine o clock
Quote from: bridgegael on March 22, 2008, 08:49:19 AM
should be a good fight tonight with macklin and campus
Enjoyed the fight from what i seen of it last night, Macklin got in some nice shots but you would always expect that to happen against a guy the age of campus. In saying this though i thought Macklin left himself open quite a number of times and was picked off himself on numerous occasions. Anyway good win all the same, hopefully Macklin can keep improving.
Anyone watching this tonight?
Paul McCloskey 1/5
Draw 20/1
Cezar Bazan 3/1
Good result for Doody, but jeez the on Mexican didnt seem interested at all
Quote from: the green man on March 29, 2008, 10:36:44 PM
Good result for Doody, but jeez the on Mexican didnt seem interested at all
The Mexican has had a long career, a lot of fights, has fought some high profile boxers as well as being a world champion so we can assume he was a very good boxer in his prime. At 33 though he looks like a guy who wants to make it through a fight without getting knocked out or too badly beaten and simply collect his cheque at the end of the night!!
McCloskey though does look a very good techical boxer. After the fight the presenters and guests on RTE where saying that Ricky Hatton was asking a lot of questions about McCloskey as they think a match could develop between the two further down the line.
Thought McCloskey looked very impressive - great at avoiding at the punches.
Also caught the end of the Andy Lee fight on Five US last week. Fair enough he took a lot of shots but he had started to throw a couple back and didn't seem in danger of being badly hurt. Tough call I suppose and I can understand why refs err on the side of caution but I think Lee has a right to be aggrieved.
McCloskey was impressive alright, albeit against a fairly negative opponent. I actually scored it 100-92, as I thought the mexican got a draw in the 7th and 10th. However, McCloskey was throwing all the good shots, but he still looks a bit wild when he throws that big left hook. It comes from somewhere around his left buttock and if he misses, he ends up with his back to the opponent.
There was talk about Ricky Hatton asking about him, but I don't think McCloskey has the power to knock Hatton out, and he would have to, because Hatton would just keep coming forward, taking the odd one-two in a bid to get inside. And if he got inside, he would hurt McCloskey.
Sorry to burst you're bubble lads (and i hope i'm wrong) but McCloskey is just above average. I watched a fight in Las Vegas on Sat night when Casamayor (36 year old) beat the Austrailian with a knockout in one of the best fights you'll see this year, the 2 of them stood toe to toe for 10 rounds (i think) before Casamayor knocked him out with a punch that would have floored Tyson. Now these guys are the same weight as McCloskey and he'd have been killed fighting them guys. McCloskey was good on the night but we have to be honest that the Mexican was pathetic on the night and hardly thru a punch all he done all night was fix his belt under his shorts (even when McCloskey was throwing punches at him) I hope McCloskey can make a few pound out ot the game but he'll not be no world champion.
P.S. Duddy and Andy Lee are in the same boat (above average fighters who are taking easy fights)
Saw that Casamayor fight at the weekend, it was a belter- I see there is talk of amir khan fighting him next. Brave fella. Thats one tough cuban...
That was a great fight alright. the Australian is no mug either. He has time on his side too.
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2008, 11:29:18 AM
Sorry to burst you're bubble lads (and i hope i'm wrong) but McCloskey is just above average. I watched a fight in Las Vegas on Sat night when Casamayor (36 year old) beat the Austrailian with a knockout in one of the best fights you'll see this year, the 2 of them stood toe to toe for 10 rounds (i think) before Casamayor knocked him out with a punch that would have floored Tyson. Now these guys are the same weight as McCloskey and he'd have been killed fighting them guys. McCloskey was good on the night but we have to be honest that the Mexican was pathetic on the night and hardly thru a punch all he done all night was fix his belt under his shorts (even when McCloskey was throwing punches at him) I hope McCloskey can make a few pound out ot the game but he'll not be no world champion.
P.S. Duddy and Andy Lee are in the same boat (above average fighters who are taking easy fights)
Did Wayne fight Casamayor in the 1992 Olympic final?
wee wayne was beat on points by our left handed friend
Is this the fight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Zk1MFIFqo
Quote from: full back on March 31, 2008, 06:26:57 PM
Is this the fight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Zk1MFIFqo
That is the fight Full Back, brilliant stuff so it was. Boxing is really coming back after a few barron years. I would rather watch the likes of these guys than the heavy weights though, far technically better.
Last man to beat mccloskey and john duddy was Greencastles star forward Terry McDermott! both in amateur fights
The heavyweight division is the only weight letting boxing down at the minute. There's no doubt Irish boxing is on the up
Irish boxing is on the up at the minute but have we any real contender for a world title shot, i dont think we have. Theres too much hype in our own media about some of the irish boxers and this could affect them and they start to believe the hype, look at Bernard Dunne. He believed all the hype about himself and he was brought down to earth quickly.
Also the commentating by Jimmy Magee is a joke, i have never heard such biased commentating in my life, it ruins the fight for me.
I agree with that last point re jimmy. I know he's trying to be everyone's favourite uncle, but some of his commentary is just wrong. He was saying that McCloskey was never missing with the left, when it was obvious to a blind man that he was spinning like the Tasmanian Devil at least once or twice every round as a big roundhouse left missed the target.
Jimmy twice refered to McCloskey as McCauley (his co-comentator Dave Boy Mc Cauley) and once he refered to McCloskey as McGuigan!!
But listening to Jimmy commentate is annoying to say the least, his constant "this boy is pure class" and "he hasnt been hit once all night" just does my head in, how can he pure class, he is only starting out in pro boxing and i thought he was very wild at times with wild swinging but he does have a good defense and his head speed was impressive.
I've been very impressed with McCloskey. Think he has better future prospects than Duddy or Lee.
He does seem to be the boxing equivilent of Andy Reid though in that he doesn't have the normal muscle definition of a pro-boxer. He has all the natural talent but is he getting the proper training and coaching? Just wondering.
Quote from: An Lark on April 01, 2008, 01:04:42 PM
He does seem to be the boxing equivilent of Andy Reid though in that he doesn't have the normal muscle definition of a pro-boxer. He has all the natural talent but is he getting the proper training and coaching? Just wondering.
I thought the very same myself, the mexican looked far leaner than McCloskey but then again the Mexican was taller. McCloskey looks like he is carrying a bit of weight on him.
any one going to the dunne fight in castlebar this weekend, looking forward to it as i have never been to live boxing before. I wonder will many jackeens cross the shannon to follow Dunne ;)
The tickets were expensive 60 - 100 and 150
i'm going and really looking forward to it. its a sell out i think and i am sure there will be a big crowd down from Dublin so should be a great atmosphere.
anyone going to watch the prize-fight night on sky sports tomorrow night, should be interestin, something different. martin rogan is second favourite to win it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gD6O_Ak
Hopkins looks a bit panicky to me "would'nt let myself get beat by a white boy"
Would have been some yappin match if Calzaghe had said something similar.
Roll on Sunday morning
Some results for the amateurs at the weekend, there should be a coiple of decent medal chances come the olympics. Best of luck to all of them (even sutherland, who has to be one of the most obnoxious sportsmen to come out of this country)
Dunne Fight
I didnt think Dunne won every round saturday night, The 35yr old Machaudo gave Dunne a good run untill round 6 and then he ran out of steam but i thought he did enough to win a few of the earlier rounds. Still not convinced by Dunne and he doesnt have any power in his shots.
Was surprised myself that Dunne was given every round, smacked of a bit of home-country judging bias. Well done to all the Olympic boys and Martin Rogan, only saw his fight in the final of prizefighter what a slugfest that was!
I see Cotto won by TKO at the weekend, really hope Mayweather stops this f**king about with the WWF and and hinting at pointless rematches with DLH or Hatton, and takes a fight with Cotto instead, that would be some contest.
Couldn't believe Dunne was given every round either. Some of the fights covered recently by RTE were far more one sided, without similar score cards from Tidt. Can only think it was down to use of the head possiblly, went down badly with the ref? I was impressed with Muchado though, for a man of his age you could see the craft and class. Dunne looked rusty, but like I said Muchado was no pushover, better him than some bum for his first fight back. At least it gave him and his camp a good indiocator as to whether he really can make the grade.
Ludermore,
Quote(even sutherland, who has to be one of the most obnoxious sportsmen to come out of this country)
What did he say or do?
Feel sorry for Nevin who because of his traveller back-ground couldn't find a hotel to celebrate his qualification :o
Dinny,
its his general behaviour, load and aggorant and his supporters the same, they would be cut from teh same cloth as Dunnes fans in the point. He brings an awful crowd to the stadium. There is usually good banter for the amateurs between all the fans. Nevin and Joyce would come from traveller background so fair achievement for them.
Quotethey would be cut from teh same cloth as Dunnes fans in the point.
Say no more....
Agree that the scoring of the Dunne fight was bizarre. I thought Machaudo won a round or 2 and woulda shared another couple.
Bizarre ending to the first fight as well. Yes it was a low blow but don't think it hit Jesus on the "crown jewels" (Jimmy Magee your a legend!). Seemed like he didn't want to know to be honest. Reminded me a wee bit of that Irish title fight on Sky a couple of years ago (think it involved a lad called McDonagh) where one of fellas seemed to take a dive.
Yea, it looked like the Bould Jesus knew the game was up and took the easy way out. the cavan lad was well on top of the situation and looked like he would have won handy.
went to the boxing on saturday night, really enjoyable night no way did dunne win the 10 rounds in fact i'd say he would be lucky to have won 6 of them. On a side issue never came across thicker doormen in my life not from mayo of course ;) could do with learning some manners talk about been on a power trip
At least the crowd in castlebar didnt boo Machuda they gave him a good reception not like the last fight i watched in letterkenny when they booed mccloskeys opponent
did anyone watch last man standing on friday night?? a good nights entertainment though not a lot of classy fighting going on.
Rogan was very lively from the get-go in each of his fights - i wouldnt fancy wrestling him outside the White Fort on a Saturday night anyhow!
theres talk of more of these events for different weights, not sure if lightweights would be the same entertainment.
I watched that Prizefighter thing as well. Suffice to say that I think Rogan wouldn't have beaten Dolan in a 10 or 12 round fight. He is a throwback to the old barroom brawler type. Still nice to see the tricolour when he won though :D
yeah, noticed that - Magee was in his corner and wasnt long throwing the flag over him! total bar room brawler alright which is probably why he went all out straight away as he knew he had to do some damage early on as Dolan would have outboxed him simply.
What time is Joe C Wales' fight on Saturday night? 4am?
I hope he shuts Hopkins up for good, I particularly like what he said when interviewed yesterday - "My dad always taught me to respect my elders, but the old man's going to get battered on Saturday night for 12 rounds."
QuoteBizarre ending to the first fight as well. Yes it was a low blow but don't think it hit Jesus on the "crown jewels" (Jimmy Magee your a legend!). Seemed like he didn't want to know to be honest. Reminded me a wee bit of that Irish title fight on Sky a couple of years ago (think it involved a lad called McDonagh) where one of fellas seemed to take a dive.
Things that were wrong with that post
1 It wasn't a low blow
2 It was Jim Rock who went on about crown jewels, not Magee
3 That fight was Gomez v McDonagh, the most infamous Irish fight of the last ten years. If you don't know that, you have no business commenting on a boxing thread!
If Calzaghe can keep his cool then he should win on Saturday but it'll be a battle for him I think and will need to protect his chin as well.
Against Salem he lost his shape and got knocked down, and Bika roughed him up a lot too. If he avoids getting trapped in close, he should be able to outpoint Hopkins all being well.
I haven't seen much of Hopkins but you know he's going to be a canny operator in there.
I really think Calzaghe can't lose this fight - famous last words!
If i had a house i'd put it on Calzaghe
Quote from: Uladh on April 17, 2008, 12:56:24 PM
I really think Calzaghe can't lose this fight - famous last words!
If i had a house i'd put it on Calzaghe
ah FFS, thats the blight on now!
http://www.justin.tv/mstv3 (http://www.justin.tv/mstv3)
link for boxing
This fight will go the distance, Calzaghe to win by about 4 rounds I think. Hope the judges are fair to him.
With 10 minutes to go I thought I'd comment, Hopkins doesn't seem to be to be his usual self in the pre-fight brouhaha. Either he's not as confident as he usually is, or he has found something in his armoury that he thinks no-one knows about. I think he's nervous and fancy wee Joe to take him, maybe in a late round stoppage, but I think Calzaghe should be comfortably ahead in the late rounds and be able to catch Hopkins when he gets desperate,
SHould be a good one.
That link isn't working for me Gerry, this one is though:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/freelivefootball
The commentators have them level going in to the 10th round.
going to be close
good man joe, now i can go to sleep
116 to 111............. Don't think so :o
No harm to Joe and i'm glad to see him win that but i was far from impressed,
Based on that performance either Roy Jones or Pavlik'll hardly be troubled imo
sure jaysus Hopkins is what, 43?
COME ON JOE!!!!!!!!
Dont know how he managed that thought Hopkins had it!
http://www.justin.tv/the_scotish_princess (http://www.justin.tv/the_scotish_princess)
Quote from: Tyrones own on April 20, 2008, 04:13:03 AM
116 to 111............. Don't think so :o
Exactly what I was thinking, that could've been scored either way for me. I'd rather see Calzaghe fight Pavlik (if Pavlik is prepared to step up in weight) next than Roy Jones Jr, that would be a great match-up.
I thought the right man won, it would have been an injustice if Hopkins had got the verdict based on the odd right hand and a lot of holding and headwork.
Hopkins deliberately stalled the action when he was on his last legs in the 10th as well.
Calzaghe is obviously not in his prime anymore, but he still does enough to win fights.
calzaghe got the right decision i think, he was the agressor and all hopkins was interested in was holding and using the head. the first round knockout made this fight closer than what it should have been. you have to wonder how one judge could have hopkins winning by a point and one have calzaghe winnig by 5, thats a massive difference. i expect hopkins to take up the acting now after the 'low blow' in the tenth.
like a few people said here i'd rarther see cal-pavlik fight than a match with roy jones jr, but as you know money talks!
Quote from: Tyrones own on April 20, 2008, 04:13:03 AM
No harm to Joe and i'm glad to see him win that but i was far from impressed,
Based on that performance either Roy Jones or Pavlik'll hardly be troubled imo
sure jaysus Hopkins is what, 43?
Its difficult to look good against Hopkins though, Taylor never even got lavish praise for beating him twice a few years back when he was top pound-for-pound as the wins didn't seem convincing but that's just the nature of his style.
Jones Jr is a shot fighter who wouldn't trouble Calzaghe, Pavlik on the other hand.... well Pavlik would certainly have to step up in weight for it so that might prove difficult for him, I'm not sure he would actually want to take the fight as he's only 25 and has plenty of years for more "career-defining" fights and will probably be happy defending his position as undisputed middleweight against all contenders in the next couple of years.
Forgive the lack of boxing knowledge but thought this worth a mention. Was in the boozer Friday night and the boxing was on the telly. English Heavyweight title fight was on featuring a really well built, muscular black guy against a flabby milky skinned guy called McDermott. We were all paying it very litte attention but laughing at the beating the fatso was about to get. It started predictably - fitter looking guy picking McDermott off and moving well. Then all of a sudden McDermott found his range and absolutely clattered him a few times. And then proceeded to batter the head off yer man until the ref stopped it! Unreal. We'd have all lost a few quid if bets were taken.
I was watching that fight as well Seanie, McDermott looked as if was afraid of his life at the start, not in a cowardly way, but in terms of what he thought the other lads had. I think the other lad was Pele something, and he was an ex-kick boxer. The commentators were saying he had a dodgy chin though, and as soon as McDermott realised he had nothing to worry about, and that he could hurt him with every punch he went to town.
Did ye see the knockout in the fight before that? Ryan something, a 33 year old, beat the reigning British champion. He hit him an awful box on the temple and your mans legs went completely from under him. Quite scary actually.
Yeah, say that alright now that you mention it. A bit frightening surely. There was another fight with a guy getting split by a headbutt too - blood everywhere! And if I'm correct the guy who headbutted won?
Yeah, that was the latest British 'sensation', Ajose Olusegun (I had to look it up, don't worry :D), who beat Spitko. I don't think it was a 'headbutt' as such, but it was an awful clash. The cut was way up on the top of Spitko's head/high forehead. It was an awful bleeder though, and it looked really bad.
Naseem Hamed has eaten some food since he finished up. He was ringside at that fight I was talking about, and he looked like someone had inflated his head. Physically, rather than the erstwhile mentally :D
Watching the fight at the time, I was pretty sure that Hopkins had won. Hopkins did try every dirty trick in the book. Delighted for Calzaghe, Roy Jones on November 15th in Cardiff seems to be very likely.
If it had've been in Hopkin's prime it would have been a massacre.
Yeah, Naseem certainly has partaken in a fair few pies since he was in the ring.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 21, 2008, 03:08:11 PM
I think the other lad was Pele something, and he was an ex-kick boxer.
Was it pele reid? formerly the great er black hope of british heavyweight boxing?
That was him. Pele Reid. Mad lad for jumping around, tipping his toes, and a chin like a porcelain jug.
Thats the bugger. good boxer but no chin.
I thought hopkins won the fight for what its worth but i can see how you can reason an argument either way. a matter of what style is to your liking
Pele Reid was horrible. big punch, no technique and those ridiculous shorts
Great site lads for watching all the big HBO fights (after thye have happened of course). Most of them are on too late on a Saturday night for us Sunday footballers ;) Instant streaming:
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anyone going to watch kelly pavlik and gary lockette tonight?? i don't know an awful lot about lockette, but i'd imagine pavlik would be to strong for him. i see pavlik trainer was slagging off enzo and joe, clearly tryin to get a potential fight with pavlik and calzaghe started up.
martin rogan will fight hardly harrison on july 12 in o2 arena, hopefully big marty knocks him out first round!!!
Disappointing to hear Mayweather has retired but i think he's retired before?
An absolute legend of a boxer who's up there with the best of all time
Pavlik Calzaghe could be a possibility as Pavlik is struggling a bit to make middleweight now apparently so he could step up to super-middle and fight Joe. He's got a huge following in America too, he's becoming the new biggest draw out there so that should pave the way for a Calzaghe fight as the only reason Joe would want to fight Roy Jones Jr instead would have been for the $, but if Pavlik can put bums on seats and sell the PPV shows then there's no reason to avoid him, well apart from a greater likelihood of Calzaghe not getting to retire with an unblemished record of course.
Pretty Boy Floyd has retired before, I really hope we haven't seen the last of him but here's his statement below. He was meant to fight De la Hoya again in the autumn and I was hoping we'd get to see him square off with Cotto before he went. Unusual for a boxer to retire with so much still left in the tank.
On June 6, 2008, he offically announced his retirement, saying the following in a statement:
"It is with a heavy heart that I write you this message today. I have decided to permanently retire from boxing. This decision was not an easy one for me to make as boxing is all I have done since I was a child. However, these past few years have been extremely difficult for me to find the desire and joy to continue in the sport. I have said numerous times and after several of my fights over the past two years that I might not fight again. At the same time, I loved competing and winning and also wanted to continue my career for the fans, knowing they were there for me and enjoyed watching me fight. However, after many sleepless nights and intense soul-searching I realized I could no longer base my decision on anything but my own personal happiness, which I no longer could find. So I have finally made up my mind, spoken to my family, particularly my mother, and made my decision. I am sorry I have to leave the sport at this time, knowing I still have my God-given abilities to succeed and future multi-million dollar paydays ahead, including the one right around the corner. But there comes a time when money doesn't matter. I just can't do it anymore. I have found a peace with my decision that I have not felt in a long time. Finally, I want to personally thank all of my fans for their loyalty and dedication as my career comes to a close. I always believed that their enthusiasm and support helped carry me to victory with every fight I ever had. It was a great joy to have fought for all of you. Now I hope you understand my decision and wish me well with the rest of my life."
Have been away for a bit but will hopefully be back more often. Haven't seen any of the fights below from last night but a coupld of upsets. Daniel Ponce de Leon who is recognised as one of the hardest punchers in the sport (although zero technique altogether) was chinned in the first by Juan Manuel Lopez. The writers on Secondsout were talking about this as a real war.
Paul Williams also got revenge for losing last time out kncking out Carlos Quintana in the first - pre fight people saw it as a pick em.
Lockett was destroyed in three by Pavlik. NO surprise.
Also James Moore was beaten the other night - another talked about Irish boxer on the up.
Duddy is back a gainst a no hoper at end iof June in Boston, not sure how long he can be fed stiffs as heaint a novice any more. He needs to start stepping things up pretty quickly.
Quote from: Rav67 on June 07, 2008, 04:17:38 PM
Pretty Boy Floyd has retired before, I really hope we haven't seen the last of him but here's his statement below. He was meant to fight De la Hoya again in the autumn and I was hoping we'd get to see him square off with Cotto before he went. Unusual for a boxer to retire with so much still left in the tank.
On June 6, 2008, he offically announced his retirement, saying the following in a statement:
"It is with a heavy heart that I write you this message today. I have decided to permanently retire from boxing. This decision was not an easy one for me to make as boxing is all I have done since I was a child. However, these past few years have been extremely difficult for me to find the desire and joy to continue in the sport. I have said numerous times and after several of my fights over the past two years that I might not fight again. At the same time, I loved competing and winning and also wanted to continue my career for the fans, knowing they were there for me and enjoyed watching me fight. However, after many sleepless nights and intense soul-searching I realized I could no longer base my decision on anything but my own personal happiness, which I no longer could find. So I have finally made up my mind, spoken to my family, particularly my mother, and made my decision. I am sorry I have to leave the sport at this time, knowing I still have my God-given abilities to succeed and future multi-million dollar paydays ahead, including the one right around the corner. But there comes a time when money doesn't matter. I just can't do it anymore. I have found a peace with my decision that I have not felt in a long time. Finally, I want to personally thank all of my fans for their loyalty and dedication as my career comes to a close. I always believed that their enthusiasm and support helped carry me to victory with every fight I ever had. It was a great joy to have fought for all of you. Now I hope you understand my decision and wish me well with the rest of my life."
:'( Crap, loved watching mayweather, build ups to fights where always magnificant and really made you want to tune in. Would loved to have seen him fight Cotto rather than a rematch with Hatton or DLH as if he had beaten Cotto, no one could question him as an undisputed champion and he could have retired knowing he had beat everyone worth beating in the weight divisions he competed in.
Dont know if he would have beat Cotto though......
(http://img.skysports.com/08/05/218x298/rickyhattonwinner_895511.jpg)
Just noticed this hat on hatton.
jaysus Hughie Morgan is everywhere
from the BBC
Defeated McCullough quits boxing
Wayne McCullough has announced his retirement
Former world bantamweight champion Wayne McCullough quit on his stool and then announced his retirement after losing a fight in the Cayman Islands.
McCullough was returning to the ring after three years against American Juan Ruiz in a NABF featherweight contest.
Despite being ahead on two of three judges' scorecards after six rounds, he told his corner he could not go on.
The Belfast boxer, 38 next month, took the microphone and revealed this would be his swansong.
He said: "I think this is my last fight and I want to thank you all for coming. I am disappointed with the way things went but I just felt I could not go on."
McCullough had not fought since losing a WBC super bantamweight title fight against Oscar Larios in Las Vegas in 2005.
606: DEBATE
Should McCullough have retired earlier?
His first professional bout was in 1993, seven months after winning an Olympic silver medal in Barcelona.
In July 1995 McCullough, who based himself in Las Vegas, claimed his world championship by beating WBC bantamweight champion Yasuei Yakushiji.
He defended the belt on two occasions against Johnny Bredahl and Jose Luis Bueno.
McCullough relinquished the title because of weight difficulties and then lost on points to the veteran Daniel Zaragoza in a WBC super bantamweight bout in 1997.
The Belfast man went the distance against Naseem Hamed and Erik Morales but was outpointed on both occasions.
McCullough was then sidelined after a British Boxing Board of Control scan found a small cyct in the arachnoid space between the brain and the skull.
After a two-year battle, however, he was back in the ring again and earned earned a bout with WBO featherweight champion Scott Harrison but suffered a punishing defeat.
McCullough later lost two world title bouts against Oscar Larios.
a bit sad that it ended like that
in all fairness to wayne, he should have quit long ago.
how do you think khan will go tonight?? its about time he stepped up his quality of opponent
Anyone see the Khan - Gomez fight last night? Very exciting stuff, at that pace it was never gonna last 12 rounds!!! Got to admire the speed and power of Khan but i would question his ability to take a punch. Gomez on the other hand - i cant believe he survived until the 5th round, man he took some heavy hits!!!
Fair play to Gomez for lasting as long as he did. Great shot to the ribs of Khan. Man that would have hurt
Great fight with Khan and Gomez, really enjoyed it. Khans hand speed is amazing sometimes but his defence is suspect. Its easy to see why frank warren is holding him back. Still good to watch though.
Gomez is certainly game, he always came back aggressively every time Khan landed a flurry of punches on him. I felt he could have went on when it was stopped, but I suppose it was inevitable at that stage that it was going to be stopped in the next round or 2 anyway.
the pocket rocket for me should have retired a long time ago
although he was a world champion he was never spectacular and his two strengths were his stamina and the fact that he could take a good beating
i think his wife ruined his career
and now he seems to be involved as a commentator and ambassador for mixed martial arts?
Another win for Duddy last night, some clips of the fight up in youtube.com. Still unbeaten as a pro but hopefully starts to step things up and fight guys with the big audiences in attendance:
QuoteBoxing before his Boston fans for the first time in 2 years, Ireland's John Duddy dominated from start to finish last night, winning all 10 rounds on the scorecards of the three ringside judges in subduing Ohio veteran Charlie Howe in the main event of Irish Ropes' five-bout card at the Park Plaza Castle.
The Park Square fortress turned into an Irish hooley for an evening as a capacity crowd of 1,200 turned out in the hope that Duddy's performance would be spectacular enough to merit his hoped-for meeting vs. another Ohio middleweight, world champion Kelly Pavlik.
The critics' verdict was that while it might not rate as spectacular, Duddy's work against Howe was in many respects his most impressive to date. Fighting for the first time under new trainer Patrick Burns, he not only consistently worked off his jab, but a man whose bravado has often gotten him into trouble by making him easy to hit, proved an elusive target.
"I decided to stop being so hard-headed and do a bit of boxing," said Duddy with a smile after posting his 25th win in as many pro fights.
The loss left Howe, who got high marks for his resiliency and the granite chin he put on display at the Castle, with a career mark of 17-5-2. While Duddy's fans would obviously have preferred to see a knockout, there is no disgrace in going the distance with Howe, who was around for the final bell against 22 other opponents.
Burns seemed pleased by his new pupil's first outing, but cautioned "I don't want to take anything away from his previous trainers (Harry Keitt and Don Turner). I've won one fight with him. They won 24.
"When I looked at films of his earlier fights, it seemed as if whenever he got hit he had a tendency to get his Irish up and fight like he was coming out of a bar. What we worked a lot on was keeping him patient and fighting under control, using his jab the way he did tonight."
Although there were no knockdowns, Duddy badly staggered Howe in the second when he followed a left to the body with a hard left hook. Howe was knocked spread-eagled into the ring ropes, without which he might well have landed in the seats, but referee Mike Marvelle did not rule it a knockdown.
On several other occasions, notably in the fifth, seventh and eighth rounds, Duddy appeared to have Howe hurt late in the stanza, only to have the bell end the round before he could finish the job.
Howe bled for most of the night after being ripped under the left eyelid in the first round, and a clash of heads late in the ninth drew blood from Duddy as well. The gash, no more than an inch and a half long, was stitched afterward, and is unlikely to be a detriment to a September fight.
Duddy went into his Hub appearance ranked the No. 2 middleweight by both the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Association, and while it appears that he will indeed be fighting again in September and quite possibly for a world title, it may not be Pavlik's.
The month he spent training Duddy at the Phantom Gym in Miami convinced Burns that Duddy's optimal weight may be at 154 pounds, not 160. The Irishman weighed 158 last night, and, says Burns, "I think he can make junior middleweight with ease. When I asked him about it, he said 'No problem.' "
Irish Ropes has already been in negotiation with Art Pelullo, the promoter of Internatinal Boxing Federation junior middle champ Verno Phillips, for a September fight that could take place in either the United States (New York or Las Vegas) or Ireland, with both Dublin and Belfast potential venues
Source: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/other_sports/boxing/view/2008_06_29_Duddy_shows_Howe_to_win/srvc=sports&position=recent
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7484125.stm
He really should hang up the gloves.
Admin - could this thread not be amalgamated with the Joey Barton thread?
Anybody see the Danny Williams vs John McDermott fight tonight on sky sports?? What where them 3 judges smoking whilst watching that fight??? How the f**k did they give the decision to Williams?? Total joke, unbeleivable Williams actually stayed on his feet in the 5th round, he got a severe hammering in that particular round!!!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 18, 2008, 11:36:48 PM
Anybody see the Danny Williams vs John McDermott fight tonight on sky sports?? What where them 3 judges smoking whilst watching that fight??? How the f**k did they give the decision to Williams?? Total joke, unbeleivable Williams actually stayed on his feet in the 5th round, he got a severe hammering in that particular round!!!
that decision was a joke, williams himself knew he should have lost. all the sky commentaters and pundits had mcDermott by at least three rounds. jim watt had mcDermott by 5 rounds, one of the judges had williams by 3, thats an 8 rpoint swing, how can two people have such differences on the same fight.
round 5 was brilliant, fair play to williams for stayin up, he ook an awful hammering, manys a man would have been gone. McDernott was robbed big time
I think the judges got it right. Yes McDermott had a great 5th round but that at best only gave him a 2 point lead if the judges went for 10-8, the fight was judged over 12 individual rounds. After round 5 I thought McDermott was tired and offered very little, I would have given most of the rounds to Williams who at least tried to be aggressive while McDermott sat back.
mccloskey knows he is in a fight tonight!i actually think he is losing!the verdict should be interesting
Andy Lee looking very impressive tonight, great 5th round there for him. Very good technical boxer Lee, think he will win this handy, either by stoppage or definately on points if it goes the distance.
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2008, 11:25:11 PM
Lee is knocking his shite in.
Willie will be happy to get back to the US ASAP, he is taking some heavy shots!!!
Fuckin great last round hi, two men beatin lumps out of other, brilliant stuff, very impressed with Lee tonight, the boy can box. Hope he gets a world title shot at some stage.
Fair play to Lee well on top.
What is the story with his tattoo?
Quote from: hardstation on July 19, 2008, 11:49:54 PM
Thon boy isn't as good a boxer but is a pure machine.
Its a good job he had them washboard abs to absorb the punches ;)
Quote from: ludermor on July 19, 2008, 11:47:09 PM
Fair play to Lee well on top.
What is the story with his tattoo?
From an interview with Lee...
"The tattoo is a long story, I have had it a few years now, it's something I always wanted to for myself and my own personal beliefs and it was kind of an end result of a transition I was going through. It is a little hard to explain really, but it was just something I wanted to get for myself and it will be there for life and it is there to remind me to be grateful for what I have, really. "
Lee's tattoo looks like he had a run-in with the Borg from Star Trek.
Amazing to see so many children there.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 20, 2008, 12:02:06 AM
Amazing to see so many children there.
Boxing is on the way back in, it was not as popular there for a few years but has definately gained interest again i think ever since the Hatton vs Mayweather fight in November. The build up was so big for that particular fight that everyone in the world basically knew about it. Great to see the boxing gaining its popularity back, a lot of people where beginning to take in the hype that was UFC and these cage wars, in my opinion these combats sports have not got shit on a good boxing match...still the best combat sport there is. The world welterweight division at the moment is top class and hopefully Haye moving up to Heavyweight can restore some hype in that division.
Absolute corker between Margarito and Cotto.
A surprise result I thought.
Margarito was relentless, he got hit with some cracking punches but he just walked through them, he's like a machine.
Quote from: glens73 on July 27, 2008, 09:22:56 AM
Absolute corker between Margarito and Cotto.
A surprise result I thought.
Margarito was relentless, he got hit with some cracking punches but he just walked through them, he's like a machine.
raging i missed this fight. had alarm set for to get up and watch it. don't know wat happened, slept in. just caught the last couple of minutes of coverage, it seemed that cotto quit very easily. i could be wrong here but thats wat it looked like.
Quote from: bridgegael on July 27, 2008, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: glens73 on July 27, 2008, 09:22:56 AM
Absolute corker between Margarito and Cotto.
A surprise result I thought.
Margarito was relentless, he got hit with some cracking punches but he just walked through them, he's like a machine.
raging i missed this fight. had alarm set for to get up and watch it. don't know wat happened, slept in. just caught the last couple of minutes of coverage, it seemed that cotto quit very easily. i could be wrong here but thats wat it looked like.
He didn't quit easily, you'll see that if you watch a replay. Margarito was relentless. Cotto outboxed him for the first half of the fight and was avoiding getting hit, he appeared like he was going to win comfortably on points. Cotto was hitting Margarito with some cracking shots but he just walked through them and eventually ground him down. In the 7th Margarito hurt Cotto and even though he got a bit of a second wind in the next round or two Margarito just kept coming and it appeared like he broke Cotto's nose as he was struggling to breathe, I read a comment on another forum saying that his jaw was broken, I'm not too sure if that's true, but his face looked bad, like what he had done to most of his opposition in the past.
Cotto could have had a sledgehammer in the ring and he wouldn't have ko'd Margarito, the guy must have one of the hardest chins in the history of boxing.
All in all a wonderful fight, and although I have gotten into MMA over the past few years and really like it, a great boxing contest is much better to watch.
like i said all i saw was cotto going to his knees twice, fight is on now again at 12 but will miss it due to football. this will prob put an end for people calling for cotto/mayweather fight.
was watching setanta, steve bunce is not wise in the head!!
Quote from: bridgegael on July 27, 2008, 11:52:15 AM
like i said all i saw was cotto going to his knees twice, fight is on now again at 12 but will miss it due to football. this will prob put an end for people calling for cotto/mayweather fight.
was watching setanta, steve bunce is not wise in the head!!
Steve Bunce is very entertaining and usually close to the mark. The majority of pundits are boring, he always makes you laugh at some point.
There is a Steve Bunce Boxing Hour on each Thursday on Setanta.
http://www.youtube.com/v/nZPnY9DzNLM&hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/nZPnY9DzNLM&hl=en&fs=1)
Anyone hear that Khan is considering stepping up to fight Hatton at some stage next year?
Would Khan be too fast for him or would Ricky be far too strong for him?
would be a big mistake for khan but i think this is pure speculation - even khan isnt that stupid
Quote from: full back on August 20, 2008, 03:08:23 PM
Anyone hear that Khan is considering stepping up to fight Hatton at some stage next year?
Would Khan be too fast for him or would Ricky be far too strong for him?
Khan said he plans to move up to light-welter in a year or so and said he would like to fight Hatton. Don't think his glass chin would hold up well to Hatton, but you never know as Ricky's lifestyle is bound to catch up with him at his age now, 30/31 is old enough for fighters of that weight. One thing's for certain, they could smash a few stadium records with the tickets they could sell, I'd guess they'd be able to sell out Wembley as the media hype would be massive.
Darren Sutherland has lost his Olympic Middleweight semi-final to Great Britain's James DeGale by a score of 10-3. The Dubliner was simply outclassed on the day despite a brave effort, finishing the Games with a bronze medal.
Sutherland and DeGale both started the tie with extreme caution, feeling each other out and waiting to work out each other's tactics.
Both fighters held close guards in round one and only managed to offload one score each leaving it at 1-1.
Round two was a similar story with Sutherland playing a waiting game looking for gaps in DeGale's armour.
A sweetly placed right cross punch put DeGale into a 2-1 lead. The second round was extremely cagey; the familiarity the two fighters share after five fights had bred ultra caution.
Just prior to the end of the second round, Sutherland lost another point to yet another DeGale right hand leaving the score at 3-1.
The third round was where the fight was won for DeGale. Sutherland was yet again too cautious and was throwing punches off the back foot too far from Degale to cause any damage.
DeGale then saw his opportunity to strike. With a flurry of combination punches DeGale soared into a 4-1 lead. Then with Sutherland struggling to land a punch at all, DeGale's left hook crept through Sutherland's sometimes disappointing guard to leave the score at 8-1.
Sutherland pulled a point back at the end of the round, leaving the score 8-2.
In the fourth round the tie was all but over barring a knock-out. Sutherland finally came out of his reverie and began to attack DeGale, alas it was too little too late.
DeGale - sensing the tie was won - danced away the last 2 minutes. However, the impressive Briton still had the opportunity to land two more snappy left jabs to leave the final score at 10-3.
Sutherland's tactics were exposed in the semi-final; after what was a wonderful Games for the Dorset Street fighter. However, the Dub announced this was only the beginning after the fight, stating that he now intends to go professional.
So Navan is now in Dublin.
Quote from: Hardy on August 22, 2008, 10:35:41 AM
So Navan is now in Dublin.
I always thought it was ! ;)
Irish light-flyweight Paddy Barnes will have to be content with a bronze medal in Beijing after losing against China's Zou Shiming in Friday's semi-finals.
The Chinese gold medal favourite claimed a comprehensive 15-0 win over the Belfast fighter.
Barnes chased Zou all over the ring in the first round but still found himself 2-0 down despite landing a great shot.
Zou picked Barnes off during the rest of the bout although the Irishman later dubbed the final margin a "disgrace".
In the immediate aftermath of his defeat, a furious Barnes claimed that he didn't "care about the bronze medal".
"They can keep it for all I care," added Barnes, who blasted the judging in the bout.
We're in China so what do you expect
Paddy Barnes
"They (the judges) should hang their heads in shame.
"There's no doubt I lost the fight by miles but not scoring a point?
"I'm getting drug tested here. The judges should be getting drug tested.
"But we're in China so what do you expect."
The 21-year-old Irishman came out fighting in the first round and he certainly looked as though he had landed one good shot on the Chinese fighter.
Zou picked up six more points in the second round although the brawling Barnes, once again, appeared to be unfortunate not to have got on the scoresheet.
It was more of the same in the third round at Zou racked up five more points and kept the increasingly ragged Barnes scoreless to increase the lead to 11-0.
The pattern continued in the closing round as the defending world champion progressed to the decider.
why is it a non-title fight??
can only see one winner here, pacquaio will be just too good for DLH, would really be the potential to be one of the greatest fights ever if DLH was in his prime. still should be a good fight though.
Does anyone know a website where I can watch the Amir Khan fight on line tonight????????
Quote from: bridgegael on August 30, 2008, 11:15:22 AM
why is it a non-title fight??
can only see one winner here, pacquaio will be just too good for DLH, would really be the potential to be one of the greatest fights ever if DLH was in his prime. still should be a good fight though.
It's non-title because Pac has usually fought at super-featherweight before and only moved up to lightweight for his last fight and is now jumping another 2 divisions! :o DLH is coming down a division for it I think so it will be difficult for both of them in terms of adjusting to their body weight.
Gonna have a look soon for the Khan fight online, if I find anything I'll post it up.
Khan fight here at 9
http://www.justin.tv/arsenalfc_wwe_live (http://www.justin.tv/arsenalfc_wwe_live)
Not a bother DD enjoy ;)
Harrison fight on here
http://www.chavster.ulmb.com/ (http://www.chavster.ulmb.com/)
This might be better
http://www.justin.tv/midas_tv2 (http://www.justin.tv/midas_tv2)
theres not many sports that you can not get to view live on some of the justin channels
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on September 06, 2008, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: gerry on September 06, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
theres not many sports that you can not get to view live on some of the justin channels
Unbelievable so it is, great stuff!! Why pay box office when you can streamed on the internet!!!!
Audley Harrison is one buffoon...absolutely useless
some of the connection can be poor, you need a good broadband connection.
though playing poker, watching boxing and posting on here is a bit much
paste this into address box for best picture but no commentary
mms://208.75.230.31/kotv
its all over
khan knocked down twice in the first round he not be as cocky now
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on September 06, 2008, 11:39:21 PM
Typical English irish media building up the lads, putting extra pressure on him them. They always make out their sports stars are better than they actually are!! ie England soccer dublin gaa players will win every tournament they play in ::)
How the hell do you come back from a defeat like that???
could nearly post this on the other tread
hard to tell, he needs to ditch all the hanger on's on really focus on his boxing. listening to radio 5 live a few of them saying there where plenty of british fighters that he could have fought but did not as khan thought prescott would be easier
Point is that pro boxing is a different game from the 'nice' world of amateur boxing. There is only so many you can fool until you are found out.
Khan can't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcv23DPHQ7g
Talk about a glass jaw (or, as it seems to be called now, at least by Jim Watt, poor "punch resistance" ::))! The punch that nailed him was on the button, yet didn't seem to be that powerful, but he never recovered from it and his knees were still wobbling half a minute later.
Why did he go running into a man who had knocked out 17 of his 19 opponents before the Khan fight??? To eagar to impress the fans with a quick & flashy start, he will think twice before running out the corner at the bell again. A little more brains needed Amir!!! Frank Warren looked like he was going just tear shreds out of thge trainer after the fight. Id like to be a fly of the wall in that meeting room after the fight!!!
Typical british media hype building someone up way above their own current ability...Khan has fought absolutely no-one up until know and has been seen as the great white hope (excuse the racial differentiation). Personally after listening to all the rubbish at every major sporting event, it makes me want to see british sports personnel fail at everything they do, ie. football,boxing, cricket, etc. Not because of the actual sports people but because of the media and the whole idea that if your british you are automatically that bit better than everyone else in the sporting arena...Stick to fighting no-hopers Amir, its about all your fit for at this stage when you can't take a few slaps from a nobody... ;) ;)
I am glad I didn't pay £14.95 for that.
You can't build mucles on your chin, and it showed last night that the first time Khan faced a puncher he got destroyed. Limond, not a hard puncher, alomost stopped him.
It may well do him good this beating, he was believing his own publicity
Out of the publice eye for a while with a good deal of hard work and much more intelligent boxing in future is what is needed if he has got that in him. He has the skills but if he can't defend himself properly, he's going nowhere.
Warren made a point in the interview of saying that they had someone else lined up to fight who then pulled out but Khan's new trainer then suggested this Prescott guy- obviously distancing himself from this choice of opponent and showing his anger that a big puncher had been chosen at this stage. He then said big decisions would have to be made and he'd be sitting down with Khan's team this week, I'd expect he'll be looking to get rid of the Cuban trainer.
Given that they were talking up Khan to fight for a world title in 2008 back at the start of the year, they should accept that they were going to have to throw him in at some stage against someone who can punch, and bear in mind this fella was way down the rankings although he had shown good potential. At least he's only 21 and has plenty of time on his side but there is serious doubts as to whether he can ever fight at world level with a chin like that.
Amir Khan last night proved that Muslims don't drink, when he failed to get a round in.
What do Amir Khan and TB have in common?
One jab and it's all over.
Had not seen Kahn fight till Saturday but had got sucked into the media hype :D FFS seen better efforts outside the Glenavon on a Sunday night!
Carmen Stateside I seen you in action outside the Glenavon back in the day ;) You would have timbered the head of Khan ye boy ye
:D Cheers Roddy
happy to see khan get a reality check - i honestly think he believed his own hype - just wish Prescott hadn't knocked him out so early and really punished him over a number of rounds
Bernard dunne is coming back to castlebar again went the last time and really enjoyed the night would be nice to see Henry Coyle box for the 1st time as a professional on home soil
Tuesday, 07 October 2008
Dunne and Coyle set for Breaffy bouts
Austin Garvin
BERNARD Dunne is heading back to the Breaffy House Resort on Saturday, November 15 for the next Hunky Dorys Fight Night, which is being promoted by Brian Peters Promotions in association with Hennessy Sports. At a glittering press conference held at Breaffy International Sports Hotel on Thursday afternoon, Brian Peters outlined details of the forthcoming promotion.
Obviously delighted with the success of his April promotion at the same venue, Peters has decided to return with a star-studded show, which has the added attraction of Geesala's Henry 'The Western Warrior' Coyle appearing on the card.
The popular Geesala man has been based in Chicago since turning professional 18 months ago, and has yet to fight on home soil. His presence on the bill should ensure a huge following from the Erris area. His farewell bout in Geesala as an amateur drew over a thousand patrons to the tournament.
Also set to appear on the Hunky Dorys Fight Night are welterweight prospects John O'Donnell and Stephen Haughian.
Henry Coyle, who together with his father Gerry, received a great welcome at last week's press event, says he will be fulfilling a lifetime's ambition when he steps between the ropes at the Breaffy House Resort
"It's always been a dream of mine to fight as a pro in Ireland," explained Coyle who has won eight of his nine pro fights by knockout. "To get a chance right here in Mayo is the icing on the cake. The last time I fought at home was for my very last amateur fight, so it will be great to come back as a professional now."
Coyle will be having his first scheduled ten-rounder on the card, which is headlined by Bernard Dunne.
"It's going to be some night," predicted former Irish senior champion Coyle, "and I'll be looking to put on a big show. I've worked a lot on sitting down on my punches and I'm definitely punching a lot harder now. I think when you make the move into the pros your life really is dedicated to boxing, so it's only natural you'll start to improve in every area."
It hasn't all been plain sailing for Coyle, who suffered the lone defeat of his career in his third fight when he was stopped by Omar Bell. Coming to terms with the defeat was far more difficult that he could have imagined.
"It was the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with", admitted Coyle. "It was the first time I've ever been down in my life. I got back up and I felt I was okay to continue, but the referee didn't give me that chance. If I'd been allowed to continue that night, I'm certain I would have had my hand raised at the end of the night, but the referee made the call and I accept that,"
For Dunne the November 15 fight will mark a return to the venue where he got his career back on track following his shock defeat to Kiko Martinez. He was warmly welcomed to the Breaffy venue for the first ever night of professional boxing in Mayo as he out-pointed former world champion, Felix Machado in an impressive return to winning ways. Since then the Neilstown man has notched up another win against Argentina's Damian Marchiano in July to bring his record to 25 wins against just one defeat.
Manager Brian Peters believes Dunne could be just one fight away from a world title fight.
"We're working on a shortlist of opponents at the moment," he confirmed. "We want someone who is really going to test Bernard so that he will prove he's ready to step up to world title level.
"There's no doubt the defeat to Martinez set us back about 12 months, but Bernard has had two good wins since then. He's now world ranked by the WBA, the WBC and the WBO, so we're pretty much back on track in terms of positioning Bernard for a world title fight."
Peters told the press conference that current world champions at both featherweight and super bantamweight have already made enquiries as to Dunne's availability.
"We actually turned down a world title opportunity for Bernard earlier this year because we felt it had come too soon, but if we can win impressively in Breaffy next month he'll be ready for anyone," said the promoter.
The card will also feature the return of Tyrone welterweight, Damien Taggart. The Omagh man will be hoping to take inspiration from his mentor, Tyrone's All-Ireland-winning football manager Mickey Harte who was in attendance at the press conference, as he bids to get back on track following his first defeat of his career.
Another man hoping to do great things is Sheffield teenager Steve 'The Blue Steel Bullet' Barnes. The talented 17-yea- old is a protégé of legendary Dublin-born trainer Brendan Ingle, who believes he could prove to be one of his greatest ever finds.
Amongst those in attendance at the press conference was Castlebar man Seán Horkan, who is Ireland's most successful ever team manager, having seen Michael Carruth and Wayne McCullogh win gold and silver medals respectively.
Tickets for the Hunky Dorys Fight, priced from €60, went on sale on Friday, from Ticketmaster outlets, including Downtown Records, Castlebar and Hotshot Records, Ballina.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7655841.stm
I see Vitali Klitschko won back his WBC title after a 3 years break. That's the WBC, IBF and WBO titles in the family. They've vowed never to fight each other but I assume there'd be a fortune on the table if they were willing to. David Haye the next challenger for Vitali?
dont think he wants to fight haye. haye has some punch but he has a tricky enough fight coming up that he needs to win before he can think of klitschko. the cruiserweights couldnt deal with haye but some of these guys are over 16 stone and also can hit hard...will be interesting to see if haye has a chin or is he another glass-jaw like khan :):) bout time some1 taught him a lesson
Haye's been pestering Vitali's brother who'd be no1 at the minute for a fight, probably around 3 fights down the line though. There's another up-and-coming boy who looks the part in the heavyweight division, I think he's Russian called Povetkin or something like that so hopefully Haye will get a crack at him.
bernard hopkins hammered kelly pavlik last night on points, i had him winning every round. thought pavlik would have won this, and it just shows that hopkins has still got it! that will be the end to pavlik/calzaghe fight.
Was that at middle or supper middle? Does Pavlik still have a title?
Wonder is there any chance of Pavlik having another look at Duddy? Did the possible Duddy Forrest Light-middle title fight ever get arranged?
I thought I read somewhere that Duddy dropped down a weight ???
should have said, it was at light heavy. after the fight hopkins went over to pavliks corner and more or less told him to stay at super middleweight where he would never be beaten. light heavy is a step to far for pavlik.
i think duddys next fight is at a weight between middle and light middle and then he is going to fight light middleweight from then on. i could be wrong though.
Quote from: bridgegael on October 19, 2008, 01:03:04 PM
should have said, it was at light heavy. after the fight hopkins went over to pavliks corner and more or less told him to stay at super middleweight where he would never be beaten. light heavy is a step to far for pavlik.
i think duddys next fight is at a weight between middle and light middle and then he is going to fight light middleweight from then on. i could be wrong though.
It's middleweight that B-Hop told Pavlik to go back to, that's where he holds 3 of the belts, he was stepping up 10lbs for this fight, as middleweight is 160 and this fight was at a catchweight of 170, 2lbs above super-middleweight. B-Hop also told him not to let this fight destroy him, it could well do mentally. B-Hop was superb and took Pavlik to school, masterful performance which you couldn't help but appreciate and I never really liked the guy before, thought he was too negative. His timing and his distance were superb, Pavlik couldn't figure him out.
Fair play to B-Hop at 43 to beat such a young top-rated fighter, I like most others thought Pavlik would beat him comfortably enough. A good result for Calzaghe too, who can now beat RJJ and happily retire without getting criticised for avoiding Pavlik.
100% right rav great result for calzaghe, if he beats jones jr where do you think that will put him in the 'all time greats' bracket?? retired unbeaten is some acheivement.
Just landed 4 tickets to the Calzaghe v Jones fight (Yesssssssssss) anyone ever been to Madison Square Garden ? What's it like ? atmosphere , views etc
whats the story with Setanta for Roy Jones Jr fight, can you just order Setanta for the fight
AFAIK, it is a £15 connection fee for Setanta & you have to take it for a minimum of 2 months @ £10 a month
but is the fight not extra on top of that contract? i dont have setanta but thats the way i understood it to be
i fancy Calzaghe to win this fight. far better boxer than most people think. Jones was knocked out in his last fight, nearing 40 now
i'd say a fitter Calzaghe will put him away before the tenth round
Was curious about Setanta too, how to get the fight etc and if I had to pay subscription.
Can't wait and dunno what way it will go - if this fight had been at the turn of the lmillenium RJJ would have wiped the floor with him.
if you suscribe to setanta ,you get the fight, no extra payment needed.
anyone know who is on the undercard of the fight?? looking forward to this one.
I see Jason McKay has a British title fight next month. Tough test though.
Did anyone catch the Danny Williams fight on ITV4 tonight? He was defeated by Albert Sosnowski who was only a late substitute for the fight. He knocked Williams out in the 8th round. Big shock. Williams refused to do interviews afterwards. This could be the end of the road for him.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 08, 2008, 11:01:32 PM
Anyone know what time the Calzaghe-Jones fight is at in the morning so I know what time to set the alarm for??
I say it will be around 3 0r 4 in the morning with you! Just offered a ticket there a half hour ago, had to turn it down already plans made :(
According to bbc website, the calzaghe fight is at 4.15 am our time,
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Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 08, 2008, 11:01:32 PM
Anyone know what time the Calzaghe-Jones fight is at in the morning so I know what time to set the alarm for??
I say it will be around 3 0r 4 in the morning with you! Just offered a ticket there a half hour ago, had to turn it down already plans made :(
Take it you live in New York Carmen? Much buzz about the fight over there?
I hear it hasn't sold out. Calzaghe wouldn't be the draw Hatton is. B-Hop calls it for Jones Jr.
Calzaghe wins by judges decision 118-109. fair play to him! shakey start but came good...thank god hes welsh and not english!
I think that will be it for Joe now, if Pavlik had beaten B-Hop there would have been a massive clamour to make that fight happen but he was well-beaten and Pavlik just isn't the same attractive draw any more. It would take another big-nam draw to tempt Calzaghe into the ring again after the hype of his last 3 fights but there just isn't one there. After the fight the interviewer was asking Joe about fighting Chad Dawson, has anyone watched him fight? I know he beat Tarver quite recently but I've never seen him box.
well he is now, some performance from calzaghe, 118-109 on all 3 scorecards.
HBO were blocking every website showing the fight for free last night - was a bit frustrating but I suppose I should have bought it if I really wanted to see it that bad.
I managed to watch it on a chinese TV station and got an english commentary feed from another site.
Calzaghe was rocked early and came back to dominate most of the fight. His work rate was second to none - he is a cardio machine and wore Jones down in the end. The cut above Jone's eye made a huge difference to the fight and the last 3/4 rounds Jones was visibly defeated.
A great performance from the Welsh man, a great achievement in his career and now is the time to retire Joe - go out on top.
But he can't and I predict he wont. There is still something missing with Calazaghe. He has won all of his pro fights - but he has never really looked that good doing it.
The public aren't satisfied and neither will Joe be. But that satisfaction will never come - Joe does not have and never will get at this stage in his career that X-Factor that Eubank, Benn, Hamed and Hatton possessed.
Retire now big lad -the memories of your performance will fade - but your record will stand the test of time and you will go down as one of the greatest of our generation
Quote from: The Iceman on November 09, 2008, 02:02:59 PM
But he can't and I predict he wont. There is still something missing with Calazaghe. He has won all of his pro fights - but he has never really looked that good doing it.
He looked awesome against Lacy I thought, that's the best performance I've seen him give and Lacy was quite a big favourite then from what I recall. Joe demolished him that night.
49 fights undefeated thats no mean feat iceman. full respect and he's beat all comers.
noticed he was wearing rossary beads once he came out of the ring and during his interview
I am not denying he demolished his opponents and I am taking nothing away from his record.
I am talking about the Joe Calzaghe "Brand"
He will never be as popular as lesser fighters because he doesn't have that X Factor. Because of that lack of popularity and brand appeal you always feel he has something more to do. That's why I don't think he will retire. He wants that popularity, that recognition.
David Beckham
Prince Naseem
Chris Eubank
Coby Bryant
X-Factor
Its moreso to with Calzaghe having beaten the big fighters who are way past their best. Roy Jones and Hopkins are long past their prime, and he struggled to beat Eubank in 1997 when Eubank was long finished after the defeats to Collins. Be it his or RJJ fault, but a fight back then would have been more interesting. Its not entirely Calzaghes fault but he didn't fight a Collins, Eubank or Benn who was at the peak of their powers never mind B Hop or RJJ. He should retire now as there is nobody there for him.
Just watch it there on Setanta missed ait at the weekend , Joe won it well in the end.
Did anyone see yere man John O'Shea of GOAL in a big red shirt by ringside. Nice handy seats there, in the main TV shot for the whole fight.
Where do youse think Calzaghe's legacy will stand in relation to the last 2 men he's beaten? They all have their own arguments- RJJ was fighter of the decade for the 90's and managed to go from middleweight to win the heavyweight title just purely to show it could be done, Calzaghe will more than likely retire undefeated, B-Hop has at 43 has added Pavlik to his record and was no.1 pound-for-pound for years and has beaten some top fighters like Winky and Tarver. Even his defeats to Taylor and Calzaghe were controversial and he bounced straight back from them very impressively when anyone else would just have retired.
Don't think Calzaghe will be held in as high regard as B-Hop or RJJ when people look Back through history. He will get little credit for beating them now especially RJJ who is very washed up. These two guys have fought better quality of fighters in their careers as well which wasn't Joes fault as the opponents just weren't there for him. For the record I think that Calzaghe has definitely been in the top five fighters in the world over the last ten years but in my opinion RJJ would have knocked him out in his prime. I have been a massive Calzaghe fan all his carer but was very disappointed in his goading and showboating towards Jones who was clearly washed up and not have the fighter. My very high opinion of Joe has dropped considerably after that. Hope RJJ retires now b4 he gets seriously hurt. Think Joe should quit to because as was the case throughtout his carer there is no left to fight eg Dawson over rated and Tarver to old.
I see Hagler saying that Joe 'has' to fight Tarver - as previously said he is washed up aswell so there is no point other than money and if he does fight him I gurantee there will be another name thrown into the ring that he 'has' to fight and beat and eventually he will be caught. As Yogi said, RJJ would have not only beat Joe in his prime but knocked him out. It was a shame to see Jones waiting for the bell on Saturday night as he had nothing left. Of all the fighters I have watched he was the one who had this 'x-factor' that everyone here likes to mention. I recall watching with dread the time he hit Montel Griffin when he was going down and subsequently lost his perfect record. I had never seen a fighter with as qucik a hands and as strong a defence as Jones had at his peak, and it saddens me how he has finished but alot of great fighters don't know when to get out. He should have retired after he beat Ruiz, and I only hope he does now before he goes on and loses to some 'Kevin McBride'.
I watched an absorbing documentary last night on More4 (I think) called "Thrilla in Manila". It was billed as being about "the greatest fight of all time" (I agree with the description) but in fact covered the whole history of Ali and Joe.
It was sad to see what Joe has become. The world mourns the state of Ali these days, but I hadn't realised that Joe's circumstances were so bad. He lives in a dingy room above his gym in Philadelphia and doesn't seem to have any comforts in life – certainly no sign of the millions he made from boxing. He looks old, slow and shuffling and his speech is slurred and difficult to comprehend.
The programme was hard on Ali and, though a life-long admirer of his sporting genius, I have to admit I couldn't argue with its analysis that his involvement with the militant anti-white black muslim movement was overtly racist. He had some deeply unpleasant aspects to his character.
What I hadn't fully appreciated was the depth of hatred between the two men, mostly caused by Ali's disrespect for Joe, calling him an Uncle Tom and characterising him as a tool of white interests. This disrespect started as soon as Ali got his license back and the first fight between the two was announced. What I had never known before was that Frazier had campaigned for Ali's license to be restored and had been very supportive through his exile from boxing, even lending him money, which makes Ali's subsequent disrespect an act of betrayal.
Today, Ali regrets his behaviour and has apologised for it, saying he only saw himself as promoting the fights. Joe is still deeply bitter about it, though, to the extent that he points to Ali's disability as punishment for his behaviour and even has a greeting on his mobile phone that more or less says 'see the state of him now? I did that'.
Saw it also, thought it was brilliant. Their last fight was something else....Joe Frazier took quite a beating. Wonder if Ali would really have not come out for the last round if Futch hadn't called it.
Ali did come across as mean, but Frazier came across as very bitter - you even got that impression from his sons/brother when they were interviewed.
I Sky+ed that documentary last night and look forward to looking at it.
Totally forgot about it. And seeing as I am not as rich as my Sligo compatriot and can't afford the Sky plus, is it repeated?
Might have missed it on here but I see Duddy has had his fight cancelled. He is quickly edging to the unknown. He needs a big fight next.
The whole bill fell through - his opponent was 38 anyway. He hasn't fought since June.
Duddy was going down a weight for the fight and hoped to fight the Hitmans son if he won.
read it in one of todays papers that duddy has left his manager and promoter
His career is stalling. Fughting journeymen constantly.
Seen that last night myself Hardy, very good and enjoyed it. Never seen 2 hours go in like that before. Lost a bit of respect for ali after watching that...
Quote from: illdecide on November 12, 2008, 02:47:16 PM
Seen that last night myself Hardy, very good and enjoyed it. Never seen 2 hours go in like that before. Lost a bit of respect for ali after watching that...
Have to agree with you there as well , like if a white boxer was doing the things that ali did there would be outrage . Like hardy said felt so sorry to see what happened joe frazier he got 3 million for that fight in manilla but i suppose like all boxers there were a lot of hangers on who probably cleaned him out. Also felt sorry for the way ali treated him when Frazier was so supportive of him when he was banned from boxing for three years. I'm reading a book on ali at the moment but last nights programme has definatley made me look at him at different way now
Is that show on again? I only got to see a tiny bit of it.
I don't think anyone should be surprised by Ali in the programme. It is well known Ali held some very militant racist views in his younger days. While I don't agree with his views then I can understand them as the black people suffered great discrimination in them days and Ali was deeply affected by this, remember he threw away his Olympic medal because he couldn't get served in a cafe. Also in the build up to fights fighters use any means possible to wind up opponents and Ali was a master at this. As he got older his views became more liberal which happens a lot of people. No matter about his conduct outside the ring he was an undoubted legend in the ring.
Bernard Dunne's opponent is Cristian 'El Terible' Faccio from Uruguay, who has a record of 16-3-0. He is a come forward fighter with reasonable power with a suspect chin(doubt Dunne will expose this however) but he should suit Dunne who should win on points if he has any chance of a world title.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 12, 2008, 02:21:01 PM
read it in one of todays papers that duddy has left his manager and promoter
Hearns' son is supposed to be decent enough - looking at his record he is undefeated with some solid wins and KO power
I don't see Duddy ever being a world champion and he is been protected BIG TIME to milk the Irish-American market
Duddy was being lined up for Pavlik last spring but he got cut too badly, I still think because he can sell a fight that he'll get one crack at a world title but will get beaten easily.
Strange finish to the Bernard Dunne fight tonight. The doctor stopped the fight due to an accidental clash of heads with both fighters being cut, Dunne extremely badly. Went to the scorecards at the end of the 7th round and Dunne won on pts.
Thought Dunne was excellent last night and he is a really good boxer. Just a pity he hasn't got a killer punch.
The Ali/Frazier documentary was excellent and showed Ali's "bad" side alright. Didn't lose the huge respect I have for him and what he has done with his life but it shows that no one is perfect. Incidentally in my opinion Ali's demolition of Frazier in their second fight was a greater "boxing" performance than his victory in Manila notwithstanding the historical significance of that third fight.
Monte Barretts ring entrance last night is my sporting highlight of the year!
Have to confess, really enjoy watching Haye, the fight can end at any moment from the first bell. Looking forward to seeing him agoinst one of the Klitschkos. It may be a crap division right now but that fight should be worth watching!
i agree, at the moment he will probably win the category because there is not real opposition, however if he had been fighting a few years back he may not have progressed as well!
Would have to believe that Hatton will certainly win.He's never been beaten when fighting at light-welter, and i think he will beat Malignaggi on points tonight.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 22, 2008, 06:37:41 PM
Quiet on here re tonights big fight, would have expected more chat considering its Ricky Haton fighting ;D Not as muhc hype about this one as was with last years fight against the pretty boy.
Anyway, anyone any thoughts on which way this fight will swing tonight? Also, where can you watch online for free? ;D
What he said.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 22, 2008, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 22, 2008, 06:37:41 PM
Quiet on here re tonights big fight, would have expected more chat considering its Ricky Haton fighting ;D Not as muhc hype about this one as was with last years fight against the pretty boy.
Anyway, anyone any thoughts on which way this fight will swing tonight? Also, where can you watch online for free? ;D
What he said.
What he said.
Hattons brother fighting tonight too!
Keep an eye here for the fight lads:
http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/boxing?kind=live&order=hot&lang=en (http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/boxing?kind=live&order=hot&lang=en)
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 22, 2008, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 22, 2008, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 22, 2008, 06:37:41 PM
Quiet on here re tonights big fight, would have expected more chat considering its Ricky Haton fighting ;D Not as muhc hype about this one as was with last years fight against the pretty boy.
Anyway, anyone any thoughts on which way this fight will swing tonight? Also, where can you watch online for free? ;D
What he said.
What he said.
http://watchliveboxing.blogspot.com/
its workin for me at the minute anyway
hattons brother on now
i take it the main event starts at 4am?
hope he gets the head hammered off him if i have to stay up that late
Quote from: wrecked_em on November 23, 2008, 02:02:41 AM
http://watchliveboxing.blogspot.com/
its workin for me at the minute anyway
Good link, cheers
Why is Malignaggi wearing a skirt? :o
because he is a girl!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 23, 2008, 04:32:48 AM
f**k, Hatton just dominating, no real contest this one
Yeah kinda boring really, why I hadn't bothered staying up :(
Hopefully Malignaggi just goes for it in the last round or two, if he has anything left.
EDIT: aw well f**k that then :D
WTF??? Towel thrown in?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 23, 2008, 04:40:58 AM
Correct decision, Mallignagi is rubbish, not in Hattons league. Thanks god for the internet, at least we didnt pay for that :D
Only listenin on wireless, he may not be in hattons league but will hatton fight Cotto?
horseshit
hopefully de la hoya will shut the unsufferable f*cker up
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 23, 2008, 04:48:46 AM
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Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 23, 2008, 04:40:58 AM
Correct decision, Mallignagi is rubbish, not in Hattons league. Thanks god for the internet, at least we didnt pay for that :D
Only listenin on wireless, he may not be in hattons league but will hatton fight Cotto?
Hatton will probably fight the winner of De Le Hoya vs Pacman. Personally i would rather see him fight Cotto as you suggest
Manny should deal with oscar (legend in my eyes). But oscar & hatton is massive money, and as we know money talks!!!
f**k me did Malignaggi's corner have money on what round he would falll? Of course he was outclassed bu surely the beauty of boxxing is that he could have priduced a KO in the last coupke of rounds.. Hard to arge there wasn't some kind of fix going on it was a complete joke!
Premature stoppage but its not like Malignaggi would have stopped him- he's only ever stopped 5 guys in his twenty-something victories and has a very weak punch. I thought the fight would have been much closer having watched Malignaggi put up a very game display against Cotto after being cut badly early on.
Hatton will fight DLH whether DLH wins or not. DLH might actually win his upcoming fight considering the big step-up in weight that Pacqiao is making, although Pac-man is clearly the better boxer of the 2 at the minute. As you say, money talks, especially for DLH, who unlike some American-based boxers will gladly come to Wembley to fight Hatton, sell out 90,000 seats and pull in a huge box office revenue both sides of the Atlantic.
Quote from: screenexile on November 23, 2008, 05:03:53 AM
f**k me did Malignaggi's corner have money on what round he would falll? Of course he was outclassed bu surely the beauty of boxxing is that he could have priduced a KO in the last coupke of rounds
Malinaggi doesn't have the power to knock out an 8 year old and his corner knew this I suspect. Only way he was winning was on points and he was way behind at that point.
Quote from: screenexile on November 23, 2008, 05:03:53 AM
f**k me did Malignaggi's corner have money on what round he would falll? Of course he was outclassed bu surely the beauty of boxxing is that he could have priduced a KO in the last coupke of rounds.. Hard to arge there wasn't some kind of fix going on it was a complete joke!
Drunken GAAboard posting is never a good idea... I thought my spelling was first class when I was posting it though! :D :D
McCullough wants world title bout
Belfast boxer Wayne McCullough is refusing to give up hope of landing another crack at a world title.
McCullough has lost his last seven world title fights but told BBC Sport that he has heard encouraging noises from the World Boxing Council (WBC).
"The WBC said that the bantamweight champion from Japan (Hozumi Hasegawa), if he agrees to fight me, that they would let me," said McCullough.
"I know the opportunity is there because I was a world champion."
In his last bout in June, the 38-year-old Belfast fighter quit on his stool while ahead against Juan Ruiz in the Cayman Islands.
Reports stated that the former WBC bantamweight champion had announced his retirement immediately after the defeat but this was then denied by the Northern Irishman.
"I was injured going into the fight," McCullough insisted in the BBC Newsline interview.
"I keep myself in shape. I train every day. I'm 38-year-old but Bernard Hopkins is 43-year-old.
"If you keep yourself in shape, you can fight on a regular basis.
"I know I can become a world champion again. I've lost in my last seven world championship fights but I thought I was robbed a few times."
Someone call in the men in white coats.
Congrats to Katie Taylor on retaining her World Title. She's just fantastic and got boxer of the tournament as well.
Anyone know if the Martin Rogan v frAudley Harrison fight is on TV on Sat night?
Quote from: full back on December 02, 2008, 10:05:50 AM
Anyone know if the Martin Rogan v frAudley Harrison fight is on TV on Sat night?
I'm nearly sure full-back it is part of Judgement Night Box Office on Sky
Has Rogan got any sort of chance?
Harrison is a short favouite, was wondering could there be an upset?
it will come down to heart.....which harrison lacked severly and Rogan has plenty of!!
come on the prizefighter!!
Anyone Know Odds on this one?
Would fancy Rogan to beat him as Harrison hates in your face fighters who keep coming forward and he has the heart of a Sparrow. Rogan will hassle him and fight on the front foot and Rogan has quite a punch whereas Harrison has as bad a chin as Amir Khan or Lennox Lewis.
I think I would put a few Squid on Rogan.
With Ladbrokes
Audley Harrison 1 - 6
Draw 25 - 1
Martin Rogan 7 - 2
Would love to see big Roggie knock Fraudley clean out but I work with Roggies best mate and he says he doesn't think he has much of a chance. Said he is in great shape but would need to get him early but he said Fraudley has far better pedigree as he has won olympic gold whereas Roggie would be nowhere near an olympic team but I know the professional fights are different.
Great performance by Katie Taylor absolutely class and great footballer as well would def be in top 5 Irish sports stars ever in my opinion.
Quote from: full back on December 02, 2008, 11:42:52 AM
With Ladbrokes
Audley Harrison 1 - 6
Draw 25 - 1
Martin Rogan 7 - 2
Will have to seriously consider a wee flutter on Rogan.
Congratulations to Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey of Dungiven who has just beaten Colin Lynes in London for the British Light Welterweight title after taking the fight on a weeks notice (he was due to fight on the undercard but stepped in as a replacement)
After the first 2 rounds he thoroughly outclassed Lynes who retired at the end of the ninth.
A British Champion with an Ulster Senior Football Club medal ;D
Quote from: whiskeysteve on December 05, 2008, 11:50:12 PM
Congratulations to Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey of Dungiven who has just beaten Colin Lynes in London for the British Light Welterweight title after taking the fight on a weeks notice (he was due to fight on the undercard but stepped in as a replacement)
After the first 2 rounds he thoroughly outclassed Lynes who retired at the end of the ninth.
A British Champion with an Ulster Senior Football Club medal ;D
just watched that fight. he's not a bad fighter - good to see it.did he play much football?
mccloskey had one shaky moment in the 2nd round but came through it and totally outclassed the fancied lynes. you could hear lynes telling his corner after the ninth that he couldn do anymore. well done paul. now for fagan and rogan to upset the oul english tonight.
McCloskey's a handy fighter and probably should have been at the stage of winning a British title 2 years ago but he's had very few fights for various reasons. He's in probably the toughest division there is at the minute on a world stage but I suppose he'll try and crack on and go for a European title anyway.
Anyone ordering Judgement Day tonight? I've been trying to order it on the box office screen but its not working and when I rang up sky box office and went through the options it kept cutting me off. The main event should be a cracker, if Pacquiao can beat DLH it will be an amazing feat comparable to Roy Jones Jr winning the heavyweight title.
tried ordering through the remote control aswell, couldnt do it. had to phone and order it, such a job i had to :-\ one the phone for a good ten mins sorting the whole thing out. anyway its booked and looking forward to the first couple of fights in england, would love to see the khan and harrison get knocked out!!
does anyone know who is on the undercard for the big one in vegas??
i'm going to go for pacquio in the main event. think he will wear de la hoya down and win on points.
good price for the fight also. DLH could loose out on this one, i'm going for pacquio and rogie
Quote from: laceer on December 06, 2008, 03:08:26 AM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on December 05, 2008, 11:50:12 PM
Congratulations to Paul 'Dudey' McCloskey of Dungiven who has just beaten Colin Lynes in London for the British Light Welterweight title after taking the fight on a weeks notice (he was due to fight on the undercard but stepped in as a replacement)
After the first 2 rounds he thoroughly outclassed Lynes who retired at the end of the ninth.
A British Champion with an Ulster Senior Football Club medal ;D
just watched that fight. he's not a bad fighter - good to see it.did he play much football?
If I remember correctly a Dungiven poster on the Derry thread said he was 17 and played corner back for them when they won the Derry c'ship in '97 - then was just on the panel thereafter as he started to concentrate on the boxing. Think hes only turned professional in the last 3/4 years.
Some weekend of boxing. McCloskey last night and from 10.45 on Carl Froch fights for the Super-middleweight title on ITV1, then Rogie v. Fraudley, Enzo Maccarenelli moves up for a heavyweight clash, Khan v. an irish fella Fagan and of course DLH v. Pacman on Sky.
Will be watching boxing all night
I've done a double on Pascal to stop Froch and Rogan to do the same to Harrison - combined odds of 76/1 with Ladbrokes, worth a flutter at those odds
Froch is widely tipped to beat Pascal but I'm not so sure about him, his hands are too low and Pascal is a dangerous fighter
As for Rogan if he puts plenty of pressure on Harrison he may well cave in.
I reckon Pacman could beat DLH with his speed being the decisive factor
Quote from: glens73 on December 06, 2008, 06:56:51 PM
I've done a double on Pascal to stop Froch and Rogan to do the same to Harrison - combined odds of 76/1 with Ladbrokes, worth a flutter at those odds
Froch is widely tipped to beat Pascal but I'm not so sure about him, his hands are too low and Pascal is a dangerous fighter
As for Rogan if he puts plenty of pressure on Harrison he may well cave in.
I reckon Pacman could beat DLH with his speed being the decisive factor
Those are very good odds! Might have a flutter myself...
Men
any streaming links for the rogan / fagan fights?
cheers
Quote from: peterquaife on December 06, 2008, 08:08:48 PM
Men
any streaming links for the rogan / fagan fights?
cheers
Indeed, any of you tech heads on tonight that can sort us out? Gutted i paid for it the last time after seeing the quality of the link that was posted on here
Try this
http://www.justin.tv/jcstyles (http://www.justin.tv/jcstyles)
That will do me
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 06, 2008, 09:45:45 PM
That will do me
Great isnt it :D
Go get a beer out of the fridge and enjoy the great night of Boxing ;)
1st class...had the beer sitting out at the back step for the last hour...ice cold!
Quote from: peterquaife on December 06, 2008, 09:54:46 PM
1st class...had the beer sitting out at the back step for the last hour...ice cold!
:D :D :D :D
What time fagan on at. Do them sites show the premiership games aswell?
got this one for the sky box office fights
http://www.justin.tv/dd_2/popout
PQ
Rogie beat Ordinary Harrison.
Your joking Khan is dirt!! :D
Sorry Harrison ! :D hic!!
exciting stuff in this Froch fight so far
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on December 06, 2008, 11:17:41 PM
exciting stuff in this Froch fight so far
1st 4 rounds Rocky style...somebody is gonna go down..
What a f**king fight
The wee cyclone has Froch 2 rounds up
Some effort by both fighters
Great fight!
They might fall over with exhaustion before this is over! I would say Rogie has killed off Harrison's career tonight.
Audley isnt a good boxer, loves the attention but not the hard work
Froch by unanimous decision
Thought it would have been tighter :-\
unreal fight there, you'll not see a better fight for a while. a rematch would be worth another watch.
fraudley embarrassin may call it a day, clean useless. well done to rogan though, still unbeaten.
Quote from: full back on December 06, 2008, 11:50:49 PM
Audley isnt a good boxer, loves the attention but not the hard work
Froch by unanimous decision
Thought it would have been tighter :-\
Thought there were at least 5 or 6 in it myself. THink he won by 8, 6 and 4. When Mcguigan had 2 in it with 3 to go I was suprised I must admit - thought Froch was further ahead. Thoroughly enjoyable fight though.
What was Rogan Fraudley like? Decision or KO?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: full back on December 06, 2008, 11:50:49 PM
Audley isnt a good boxer, loves the attention but not the hard work
Froch by unanimous decision
Thought it would have been tighter :-\
Thought there were at least 5 or 6 in it myself. THink he won by 8, 6 and 4. When Mcguigan had 2 in it with 3 to go I was suprised I must admit - thought Froch was further ahead. Thoroughly enjoyable fight though.
What was Rogan Fraudley like? Decision or KO?
Decision
Ref called it 96-95 to Rogie.
What time's De La Hoya scheduled for?
Hbo closing down all he channels on Justin tv ! >:(
They didnt get them all ;D
http://www.justin.tv/josecinho010 (http://www.justin.tv/josecinho010)
Manny on points so far half way through!
Oscar took bad beating in 7
could end early!
and another in the 8th
Corner stops it after 8 th
manny wins very easily! won me a few bob! :)
Father time finally caught up with DLH tonight. He looked old and slow. Time to retire and be a promoter.
Sad end really. He would have wiped the floor with Pacman in his prime IMO.
Hatton must be gutted. He was hoping for DLH next year.
I don't think DLH would have wiped the floor with Pacquiao in his prime. Pac-man proved what a champion he is tonight with that performance. He fought a huge fight at super-featherweight at the start of 2008 and then to move up 3 divisions before the end of the year and still retain that speed is an unbelievable achievement.
For Hatton, Pacquiao will still be a huge draw and the fight could possibly be at light-welterwight which Hatton prefers, although I think he'll have to go to America again to fight him. I would expect Pacquiao to take Hatton easily enough.
I'd agree..going off that performance tonight i don't think Hatton could live with him
Rogan: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4f4Kyp114
Pascal fight was first class. I must admit I thought it would be closer, two lads going for it - entertaining.
Is that the same Rogan who won Sky Sports Prizefigher last year?? Fair play to him but Audley is just a woeful boxer!! That Froch v Pascal fight however was one of the best i've seen in a long time, great stuff from start to finish!
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 07, 2008, 12:38:28 PM
Is that the same Rogan who won Sky Sports Prizefigher last year?? Fair play to him but Audley is just a woeful boxer!! That Froch v Pascal fight however was one of the best i've seen in a long time, great stuff from start to finish!
Yeah it was the prize fighter.
big martin got me a few quid last night, owe him a orange juice and a salad for that, the entertainer will be off to the training camp in Clonard after last nights win
Rogan was some price last night 4/1, pity lost him had him in treble with Froch and DLH...
Ah well.
Harrisson is a joke fighter, always has been!
Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
martin will fight anybody, does not care who he fights, fair play. hope he gets a fight in belfast. that will be a ticket i'll be looking for
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 03:24:36 PM
Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
Far too early for that I would say TAC. The fact that Harrison is such a joke will deminish the victory slightly.
Quote from: corn02 on December 07, 2008, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 03:24:36 PM
Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
Far too early for that I would say TAC. The fact that Harrison is such a joke will deminish the victory slightly.
well the bookies thought Harrison was a cert, 1-6 i think he was before the start
Quote from: milltown row on December 07, 2008, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 07, 2008, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 03:24:36 PM
Where's Rogan likely to go from here? British title fight a possibility?
Far too early for that I would say TAC. The fact that Harrison is such a joke will deminish the victory slightly.
well the bookies thought Harrison was a cert, 1-6 i think he was before the start
I'm a bookie and I backed Rogan! ;)
Fair play to Rogan but the fight was murder to watch, could only stick it for about 2 rounds and then watched bits during the breaks in Froch's fight. Hopefully he could get fighting Matt Skelton, Danny Williams or someone else with a recognisable name in King's Hall. I think he could beat Williams.
regardless of the fight being crap the craic was mighty, some west belfast crys from the supporters could be heard "knack his ballixcs in" "Harrison your a wa*ker"
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 06, 2008, 10:02:44 PM
What time fagan on at. Do them sites show the premiership games aswell?
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/
Great site for Saturday afternoon Premiership football.
Congratulations to Rogie on his win last night. He was very determined on prize fighter. He is looking a fight with Matt skelton for the euro belt. Pity Rogie is 37 and not 27.
Really enjoyed the boxing last night. Rogan fully deserved the win but Harrison is a disgrace. For a guy with the talent he has to be so shit is incredible. No guts and no brains.
De La Hoya never looked right and took a bit of a beating. Agree with assertions here that Hatton won't live with Pacman's speed, few would.
Quote from: glens73 on December 06, 2008, 06:56:51 PM
I've done a double on Pascal to stop Froch and Rogan to do the same to Harrison - combined odds of 76/1 with Ladbrokes, worth a flutter at those odds
Froch is widely tipped to beat Pascal but I'm not so sure about him, his hands are too low and Pascal is a dangerous fighter
As for Rogan if he puts plenty of pressure on Harrison he may well cave in.
I reckon Pacman could beat DLH with his speed being the decisive factor
Stuck a 10er on that double myself glens and though it didnt work out thought the performances of pascal and rogie made a mockery of those odds. When Froch stood toe to toe with pascal he def looked vulnerable and a stoppage for either fighter was on the cards until Froch started working from behind his jab and reach advantage in the later rounds. Thought Froch pulled away for that reason and also because Pascal ran out of steam and threw wild punches. Pascal also had an annoying habit of ducking down into low hooks and uppercuts
Don't think Frochs cut out for the very highest level and he would be stopped easily by the likes of Calzaghe/Kessler.
Missed Rogie v. Harrison but by the sounds of things it wasn't much of a fight - but I hear Rogan wasn't far away from the knockout at one time either
Quote from: billy the kid on December 02, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: full back on December 02, 2008, 11:42:52 AM
With Ladbrokes
Audley Harrison 1 - 6
Draw 25 - 1
Martin Rogan 7 - 2
Will have to seriously consider a wee flutter on Rogan.
Stuck 20 squid on Rogie - nice little earner coming up to shopping season ;D ;D ;D.
Glad to see Rogie and Dudey do the business at the weekend I used to work with rogie and used to play Hurling and Football with Dudey and both are really nice fellas. Really fancy Dudey to push on and make big waves at European and World level tbh. Rogie is well capable of taking a shot at a European belt also.
Jason McKay next up, feast or a famine for us Irish fans. 13/2, Barker looks good, but at that price im throwinbg 20 on.
i'd save your money corn!.....mckay aint up to it
Former undisputed world heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis will have his legacy confirmed in the sport after being named as an inductee to the 2009 International Boxing Hall of Fame.
Three-time heavyweight champion of the world Lewis headlines the class of 2009 that will be inducted at the 20th Annual Hall of Fame Weekend on June 11-14 in Canastota, New York.
43-year-old Lewis has been handed the honour in the first year of his eligibility and seals his position as one of the sport's greats.
Lewis retired in 2003 with a record of 41-2-1, with 32 knockouts and some landmark victories over the likes of Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson.
Defeats
His only two professional defeats, surprising losses against Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, were both avenged, and Lewis was thrilled to hear the news.
"Everybody, when they start something, always wants to leave some kind of legacy behind," said Lewis.
"I've been able to accomplish that. To be put in the Hall of Fame is an accomplishment that seals my legacy.
"It will always be there in history. People can read about it. It gives me great pride."
An Olympic gold medallist for Canada, Lewis announced himself with a stunning knockout of Donovan "Razor" Ruddock in 1992.
Lewis then had two memorable bouts with Holyfield, one a controversial draw and the second a unanimous decision to unify the heavyweight division.
Top six
"He definitely belongs in the top six heavyweights of all-time and would have been a threat to any heavyweight champion in history because of his size, his balance and his all-around skill," said Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward.
"Lennox Lewis could do whatever he had to do to win a fight. He was a very diversified heavyweight champion."
Joining Lewis are American bantamweight champion Orlando Canizales and South African junior lightweight champion Brian Mitchell.
Posthumous honourees are middleweight champion William "Gorilla" Jones, welterweight champion "Mysterious" Billy Smith and middleweight champion Billy Soose in the Old-Timer Category.
"We're extremely excited about the class of 2009 and very much looking forward to honouring the 20th class of inductees," executive director Edward Brophy said.
"All living inductees are anticipated to attend and participate in 2009 Hall of Fame Weekend festivities."
Very good fighter
A great honour for any boxer to get
Nowhere near the top 6 of all time though.
Quote from: corn02 on December 08, 2008, 08:42:47 PM
Jason McKay next up, feast or a famine for us Irish fans. 13/2, Barker looks good, but at that price im throwinbg 20 on.
is mckay fight still live on tv?
13/2 looks like a good prie to me. if hes well enough prepared he will definitely be in with a shout.
have seen mckay fight a good few times, i can't see him winning on saturday night, i just don't think he is up to that standard. hopefully i'm wrong, nice fella and would love to see him win.
just collected my winnings for my rogan-pacquaio double. got £131 pound for me tenner. :)
i see enzo maccarinelli might be making the move to UFC, he reckons he would do well in it.
Quote from: behind the wire on December 10, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 08, 2008, 08:42:47 PM
Jason McKay next up, feast or a famine for us Irish fans. 13/2, Barker looks good, but at that price im throwinbg 20 on.
is mckay fight still live on tv?
13/2 looks like a good prie to me. if hes well enough prepared he will definitely be in with a shout.
He has a lot of training behind him - nine full weeks.. Price is based on the Lee dfeat were he came in at two weeks notice.
Quote from: bridgegael on December 10, 2008, 07:11:04 PM
i see enzo maccarinelli might be making the move to UFC, he reckons he would do well in it.
usual hype
he would be destroyed by plenty of fighter 3 or 4 stone lighter than him - I'd give him a good fight myself if I got him onto the ground
mayweather tried it once and it was enough - the skill needed in all disciplines now is too much - marcus davis was a top ten boxer - it took him about 3-4 years to adjust and he still isn't a top contender in his division
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mayweather tried it once and it was enough [/quote]
did he?? tell me more when and who did he fight?
Davis was a top ten boxer where? In his state or the world? I would say he was a decent boxer in Boston but that was about it.
would any where in newry be offering odds on the McKay fight???
does he have a chance?
Quote from: its me again on December 11, 2008, 09:48:37 AM
would any where in newry be offering odds on the McKay fight???
does he have a chance?
Probably Banbridge bookies I would imagine. A lot of online bookies doing it. One of his biggest problems is his fitness levels, but he is in the best shape now. He will be going very offensive I would imagine, maybe worth a small punt.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2008, 09:20:20 AM
Davis was a top ten boxer where? In his state or the world? I would say he was a decent boxer in Boston but that was about it.
Davis had a boxing record of 17-1-2 and was considering a top ten fighter but not recognised by any of the organizations in the top ten - so my mistake for referencing that.
There is nothing official about FMW training in MMA but there has been talk that he tried at Xtreme Couture and could not hang with anyone there in his weight class.
At the end of the day MMA has evolved so much that a boxer, even one with the skill level of FMW, would never make it with the top contenders or even guys who dominate the smaller promotions.
I've seen it loads of times. A great boxer street fighting or in the ring will clean up - but then someone pulls a double leg takedown on him and elbows him in the face from the top or puts him to sleep with a choke it is a different story.
Seen Brock Lesnar on that program on UFC/MMA last nite. That was some hammering he gave to the other guy.
Quote from: cavan4ever on December 11, 2008, 03:58:34 PM
Seen Brock Lesnar on that program on UFC/MMA last nite. That was some hammering he gave to the other guy.
I remember when he left wrestlin to go for a career in American football, I take it he didn't go too far
yeah he just fought with everyone there!!
think that was his inspiration!!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on December 11, 2008, 10:49:48 PM
Just watching the replay Oscar DLH vs Pacman fight on Sky Sports, why on earth did that fight go on so long?? what a hammering DLH took, you would have be safer being knocked out with one big punch as it would have hurt less than the volume of blows to the body and face as Oscar took!!
Roll on the Hitman vs Pacman..one to look forward to.
Anyone see season ticket last night focusing on the UFC or MMA. What is boxing fans thoughts of this sport? give me a boxing match any day over it. What does everyone else think?
That fight certainly could have been stopped sooner, I expected the towel to be thrown in around the 7th or 8th. DLH should quit now, he's gonna keep earning megabucks anyway from Golden Boy and there's no point risking his mental health especially when he's such a smart man.
Boxing is a far far superior sport. I don't watch the UFC at all, and wouldn't want to go to an event because there seems to be an awful lot of scumbags who follow it.
Quote from: Rav67 on December 11, 2008, 11:23:31 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on December 11, 2008, 10:49:48 PM
Just watching the replay Oscar DLH vs Pacman fight on Sky Sports, why on earth did that fight go on so long?? what a hammering DLH took, you would have be safer being knocked out with one big punch as it would have hurt less than the volume of blows to the body and face as Oscar took!!
Roll on the Hitman vs Pacman..one to look forward to.
Anyone see season ticket last night focusing on the UFC or MMA. What is boxing fans thoughts of this sport? give me a boxing match any day over it. What does everyone else think?
That fight certainly could have been stopped sooner, I expected the towel to be thrown in around the 7th or 8th. DLH should quit now, he's gonna keep earning megabucks anyway from Golden Boy and there's no point risking his mental health especially when he's such a smart man.
Boxing is a far far superior sport. I don't watch the UFC at all, and wouldn't want to go to an event because there seems to be an awful lot of scumbags who follow it.
As far as I am aware there has never been a riot at a UFC event but there's been plenty of riots at boxing events. Plus looking at your average Bernard Dunne crowd I would hardly describe them as urbane sophisticates.
At the end of the day the make-up of both audiences is very similiar in the states. Except that boxing attracts more Latinos and older people while the UFC audience is generally younger.
Quote from: Rav67 on December 11, 2008, 11:23:31 PM
Boxing is a far far superior sport. I don't watch the UFC at all, and wouldn't want to go to an event because there seems to be an awful lot of scumbags who follow it.
That is a bit of a ridiculous statement - I don't watch the UFC at all but boxing is a far far superior sport?
Are there no scumbags at a boxing event?
Give us reasons Rav67 not just empty statements please............
Anecdotal evidence from people I work with who have attended events- chav types in the front row shouting abuse constantly at the fighters calling them wankers etc when they're entering and leaving. Maybe it's not the same in America.
IMO boxing is more skilful and maybe if I was more bloodthirsty I'd like UFC. I have watched it before, I just can't get into it but like all sports some people like or rate it and others don;t.
Joe Brolly's article in this weeks Gaelic Life had a boxing/Dungiven theme (much intertwined I would say ;)) and was as usual very entertaining, if someone could post it for others it is good craic.
Quote from: Rav67 on December 14, 2008, 04:46:41 PM
IMO boxing is more skilful
I know it is your opinion Rav, but you must know very little about UFC to say this.......
i agree full back with more disciplines there is no argument on skill levels between the two sports
I used to be a huge boxing fan, subscribing to magazines, keeping an eye on most weight divisions etc. The politics started to annoy me, so many different champions, some of whom getting huge money and publicity and yet dodging any of the really top fighters. But it was the dodgy decisions that finally turned me off. Now I'll watch the odd fight and enjoy it, but I dont get into it, don't care who wins or who deserves to win.
I've watched a bit of UFC. More action than your average boxing match, and seems to be far less predictable. No doubt its very skillful, but also more violent. Relies on the individual to submit rather than the ref to intervene, which is a huge difference. A few times you will see a guy take more punishment than feels right.
But boxing still has the ace of the clean punch that results in a knockout or knockdown. Of course you can get that in UFC, but more often its likely to be a clench on the ground that is key.
if anyone saw the klitchko fight against rahman, the big man was unbelieveable.
What a left jab.
He destroyed rahman. He doesnt have to throw the right paw at all, his left is like a sledgehamer.
Was actually a wonderful display to watch imo - of pure crude power and accurate hitting at its best !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 15, 2008, 12:48:17 PM
if anyone saw the klitchko fight against rahman, the big man was unbelieveable.
What a left jab.
He destroyed rahman. He doesnt have to throw the right paw at all, his left is like a sledgehamer.
Was actually a wonderful display to watch imo - of pure crude power and accurate hitting at its best !
Indeed Klitschko was impressive, but Audley Harrison would give Rahman trouble.
Floyd must be getting p1ssed of with the lack of attention he is getting.......
Floyd Mayweather Jnr has gatecrahed negotiations between Manny Pacquiao and Ricky Hatton by offering the 'Hitman' a rematch.
Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum had suggested a clash between the 'Pacman', currently regarded as the world's number one pound-for-pound fighter, and the light-welterweight champion Hatton could take place in the May.
But sources have since leaked the fact that Mayweather is looking to come out of retirement to take on the Mancunian once again.
Pacquiao cemented his place as the world's best fighter with a stunning knockout victory against Oscar De La Hoya earlier in December - and he remains Hatton's preferred option.
However the chance to set the record straight against Mayweather could be too tempting for Hatton to turn down.
Both Hatton and Pacquiao have spoken openly about their desire to meet in the ring, with the duo keen to see the fight happen.
"We are in negotiations with the Hatton people and I think we're moving closer," Arum said before the latest revelations about Mayweather. "I think it is the fight everybody wants to see.
"I can assure you it will not be at Wembley though.
"Not because Manny would be afraid to fight in England but because Wembley makes no economic sense, because we'll have to do it at 5am [to suit American television], outdoors, where there is a 90 per cent chance of rain."
Not sure why anyone would want to see Hatton v Mayweather again. Wasn't like the first fight was even close. Mayweather gave him a boxing lesson.
Pacquiao might give him a lesson too but I'd prefer to see that fight. It would probably be a much better fight as both guys like to come forward. Mayweather would just pick Hatton apart from distance.
Holyfield beaten tonight.
Amir Khan vs Marco Antonio Barrera :o
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/2009/01/15/amir-khan-lands-marco-antonio-barrera-fight-exclusive-115875-21042261/
this can not end well for Khan
Stevie Haughian heading a card in Craigavon Leisure Centre the 7th February...
As for Khan against Barrera, what is he thinking, that is an astonishing step up in opponents!! Hes gonna get his head taken off. :-\
I just heard about the Khan and MAB fight and was about to post the article I read on it. Quite shocked that Khan is taking this fight, its a bit like him playing Vauxhall Conference sides every week and then jumping to play Real Madrid.
The only thing working in Khans favour is that MAB is now 34 and is alot smaller than Khan who is a pretty big lightweight. Apparently Barreras goal is to become the first Mexican ever to win a title in 4 different weight divisions.
This has to be a wind up - why would Frank Warren let this happen?
Obviously it is no longer about a career but a quick pay day - no legacy nwo that he has already been beaten so throw him in with the sharks and let him get devoured.
there is only one way this fight is going to end and khan is on the wrong side of it. just looking a big pay day. can't wait to see this fight, and see amir get hammered...........again!
Barerra looked past-it when he fought Pacquiao and that was over a year ago at super-featherweight. In saying that he did at least last the distance which is more than Khan would do against Pac-man. Khan needs a fight like this before the media loses interest in him.
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2009, 01:45:22 PM
This has to be a wind up - why would Frank Warren let this happen?
Obviously it is no longer about a career but a quick pay day - no legacy nwo that he has already been beaten so throw him in with the sharks and let him get devoured.
They are obviously banking on Barrera being shot. He's definitely well past his best at this stage and Khan will be naturally a lot bigger than Barrera.
In fairness up and coming boxers take stick when they are given a load of bums to fight so in one way it is admirable that Khan is taking on someone like Barrera so early in his career. Whether it turns out to be wise is another thing altogether.
you could be right and he should get some credit for taking the fight and throwing his hat in there with the big guys - M.A.B still should have enough gas in the tank for Khan and I would hope that Khan get's landed on his arse again and convincingly beaten. He needs a lesson in humility and will never win over the public - even by beating a legend.
It's a no win situation for Khan.
He beats Barrera and people will say he was over the hill and too small for Khan.
He gets beaten by Barrera and everybody will be happy to see him beaten again.
You would wonder what Frank Warren is thinking these days......
Why is everyone saying this is a stupid fight for Khan to take? Barrera is shot and much, much smaller! Barrera has been fighting professionally since he was 14 and is too far down the road to pull a Pacquiao and beat someone considerably larger than him.
From Khan's point of view, regardless of the state of the opposition, it's the name that talks. If he wins, he'll always have a "W" beside the name of Barrera (a HOF shoo-in) on his record, and will catapult (deservedly or not) up the rankings.
i well end up being totally wrong here but strongly fancy khan to beat barrera.like gallsman has pointed out barrera is much smaller than khan.unlike the situation with pacquiao and de la hoya where de la hoya was moving down a few weights and pacquiao up.this is case of khan fighting at a weight which he is comfortable with and barrera has fought at the lower weights in his long and bruising career.khan is kinda in a last chance saloon situation whereas barrera is near the end of the road.agree with iceman though,if beat khan will be finished and laughed at and if he wins he wont get much credit.
I think he will get credit if he wins, Calzaghe still got a lot of headlines for beating RJJ who's been a shot fighter for years. Anyone know the odds? I think with it being in London I fancy Khan to beat him.
Quote from: Tommy Tight Lips on January 16, 2009, 05:30:09 PM
i well end up being totally wrong here but strongly fancy khan to beat barrera.like gallsman has pointed out barrera is much smaller than khan.unlike the situation with pacquiao and de la hoya where de la hoya was moving down a few weights and pacquiao up.this is case of khan fighting at a weight which he is comfortable with and barrera has fought at the lower weights in his long and bruising career.khan is kinda in a last chance saloon situation whereas barrera is near the end of the road.agree with iceman though,if beat khan will be finished and laughed at and if he wins he wont get much credit.
Why is it a last chance saloon? OK he's been beaten but the same avenues are open to him as other fighters i.e. re-take the Commonwealth title and a world title fight wouldn't be too far away which, if he's good enough, and keeps winning will lead to bigger and better fights. In facts it probably easier for Khan to recover from the defeat because of his profile and the fact that he's a hell of a good fighter to watch. Look at how many chances Harrison got and he's an absolute no hoper whereas Khan certainly has ability.
Assume this one is Pay Per view on Sky Box office?
Best prices for some upcoming high profile fights...
Khan 1/1 Barrera 6/5
Pacquiao 8/15 Hatton 2/1
Klitschko 1/3 Haye 5/2
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 18, 2009, 11:12:01 AM
Best prices for some upcoming high profile fights...
Khan 1/1 Barrera 6/5
Pacquiao 8/15 Hatton 2/1
Klitschko 1/3 Haye 5/2
barrera/haye double would be very tempting there!
Who are the Khan and Barerra prices with? can't fail to make money there
Quote from: Rav67 on January 18, 2009, 12:32:49 PM
Who are the Khan and Barerra prices with? can't fail to make money there
They are the 'best prices' as I said above so from separate bookmakers...
The evens for Khan is from Will Hill (who go 8/11 MAB)
The 6/5 MAB is from Boyles and Bet365, who go 4/6 and 8/13 for AK respectively.
So if anyonw wants to play the long game at those prices and had £5000 going spare, they could do the follwing:
£2619 on Khan with Hills
£2380 on MAB with either Boyles ot Bet365
Doesn't matter who wins the fight as you would make £5238 if either selection wins, £238 profit...
U couldnt lend me £5000 niall???Always bets like this goin about where u cant lose,just need a big bank balance to do it lol ;D ;D
Quote from: bigfrank on January 18, 2009, 12:54:17 PM
U couldnt lend me £5000 niall???Always bets like this goin about where u cant lose,just need a big bank balance to do it lol ;D ;D
If I had the money I would!! I just don't have the capital to do this sort of bet on a worthwhile scale, and I don't think the bank manager would be happy to hear I was looking a loan to gamble his money...
Would also have to be wary of a draw... Anyone know what percentage of boxing fights would end in draws?
Hatton and Pacquiao fight off apparently...
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3849386
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 21, 2009, 07:14:09 PM
Hatton and Pacquiao fight off apparently...
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3849386
and now it's back on
http://philboxing.com/news/story-21927.html
Some performance by Mosley last night against Margarito, I never thought he would win so convincingly.
Mosley was brilliant, kept landing right-hand bombs all night, the speed as well as the power was the key.
Thought Maragarito would have won that fight after his masterclass against Cotto. A win like that surely puts Mosley in the frame for one more mega-bucks fight in his career against Mayweather, Pacquiao or Hatton.
Quote from: Rav67 on January 25, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Thought Maragarito would have won that fight after his masterclass against Cotto. A win like that surely puts Mosley in the frame for one more mega-bucks fight in his career against Mayweather, Pacquiao or Hatton.
Rav – I wouldn't say it was a masterclass against Cotto, Margarito was relentless and just ground him down, Cotto had seemed to be cruising in that fight early on.
I reckon Mosley watched the Margarito – Cotto fight on tape a number of times and he made sure Margarito never backed him up at any point the way he did to Cotto. I'd imagine that was a career best performance by Mosley and big bucks fights await now.
Quote from: glens73 on January 25, 2009, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on January 25, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Thought Maragarito would have won that fight after his masterclass against Cotto. A win like that surely puts Mosley in the frame for one more mega-bucks fight in his career against Mayweather, Pacquiao or Hatton.
Rav – I wouldn't say it was a masterclass against Cotto, Margarito was relentless and just ground him down, Cotto had seemed to be cruising in that fight early on.
I reckon Mosley watched the Margarito – Cotto fight on tape a number of times and he made sure Margarito never backed him up at any point the way he did to Cotto. I'd imagine that was a career best performance by Mosley and big bucks fights await now.
I was very impressed by his win over Cotto, he showed great energy and power and and was controlling the fight by the time he stopped Cotto. I was shocked that he won that fight, and almost as shocked that he lost last night given Mosley's age.
This has to be a new low
Abu Dhabi to host Tyson-Holyfield fight in October
Legendary boxers Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield will face off for the third time in an exhibition clash at Zayed Sports City Stadium in Abu Dhabi in October this year.
The Tyson-Holyfield fight will be the finale to an evening that will first feature two separate world title bouts.
The date for the event has been tentatively set on October 31, the night before the first ever Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. Full details of the event will be announced on February 1, the 'Arabian Business' reported.
Former world heavyweight champion Tyson last fought in November 2005, when he lost to Ireland's Kevin McBride, while 46-year-old Holyfield fought for the WBO heavyweight belt in October 2007 when he was beaten by Russian holder Sultan Ibragimov.
However, Holyfield holds an edge over Tyson as he won both the previous two encounters with the 42-year-old, including the infamous "bitten ear" incident during their second meeting in 1997.
Holyfield knocked out Tyson for the first time in 1996 and was paid a record USD 34 million for their second meeting. Hence each fighter is expected to earn more than USD 34 million for the Abu Dhabi clash, which is likely to be televised world-wide. A chunk of the earnings from the October event will be donated to an Autism charity.
"The idea is to stage the biggest ever fight in boxing history and to do it in Abu Dhabi, which would be a great global event for the UAE capital. We have agreement from everyone needed and will make the official announcement next week," Sulaiman Al Fahim, CEO of Hydra Properties, which is organising the event, said.
:o :'(
How could they afford to pay them $34m each? I certainly wont be watching and can't imagine many others wanting to. It will be a pathetic fight.
I saw that Maragarito had a "plaster like substance" removed and he had to re-tape the hands, that has got to have affected the mental preparation...
Larry Reilly??
The Time has Come...Now the World Awaits as Bernard Dunne goes in search of the ultimate prize at The O2, Dublin on Saturday, March 21st at the Hunky Dorys World Title Fight Night.
Dunne takes on World champion, Ricardo "El Maestrito" Cordoba for the WBA Super Bantamweight title as world championship boxing returns to Ireland for the first time in 13 years. The Dubliner turns 29 next month and he feels the timing is perfect for a shot at the WBA belt which once adorned the waist of Barry McGuigan over two decades ago.
"This is the fight I've wanted since I first put on a pair of boxing gloves," said Dunne. "It's every boxers dream to be a world champion and I'm no different. This is what I've worked my whole life for and now that the chance is here I want to grab it with both hands."
Promoter Brian Peters had promised his charge a world title fight in 2009 and he's duly delivered with Dunne admitting that having home advantage is a the icing on the cake. "It's a huge coup to get the fight here, there's no doubt about that," said the former European Champ.
"Every boxer wants to fight for a world title but to have it in your hometown is special. It's going to be an incredible experience and I know I'll thrive on that atmosphere. Cordoba's fought all around the world but he won't ever have experienced anything like the atmosphere in the O2, it's going to be very special. It's a fantastic venue and March 21st can't come soon enough."
Peters believes that Dunne can claim his destiny by becoming Ireland's next World Champion. "This is a huge event for Ireland, World title fights are often talked about but in reality they don't come along too often," said the promoter. "I think this has all the makings of a historic night for Irish sport. From the first time I saw Bernard as an amateur I believed he was destined to be a World Champion. It's been a long road but where better for that dream to become reality than at the fabulous new O2 in his hometown."
A hat trick of impressive wins over South American opposition in 2008 secured Dunne a number 11 ranking with the WBA and a crack at Cordoba's World title. The tall, Panamanian southpaw has just one defeat in his 37 pro fights and won the title with a landslide points win over Luis Alberto Perez in his native country last September. Dunne has already studied the champ on DVD and admits he was impressed by what he saw.
"He's a class fighter, you don't get to be a World Champion without having that little bit extra than most," said Dunne. "He's still only 24 but he has a lot of experience and he's been competing at the top level for so long now and you have to respect that."
However Dunne shrugged off suggestions that he would be entering the ring as the underdog on March 21st. "That's for the bookies to decide, that might take a bit of the pressure off me but at the end of the day it will only be the two of us in the ring and whether you're labelled the favourite or the underdog it doesn't matter as soon as you step between those ropes. It's what you do on in that ring on the night that counts and I know I'm as good as anyone else out there. If I didn't believe that then I'd have no business in there."
Dunne has been training for the fight since before Christmas and says his preparations will intensify now that he has a date to focus on. "I'm flying already, I'm way ahead of where I would normally be this far out before a fight. I've been working very hard with my strength and conditioning coach, Mike McGurn and I'm also working with some new nutritionists and I've noticed a real difference in that area.
"I'm always looking to add extra little components to the team and I'm already feeling the benefits on the nutritional side. This is the most important fight of my career so I want to make sure that no stone is left unturned in my preparations."
Details on the undercard of the Hunky Dorys World Title Fight Night will be announced next week.
Tickets for the Hunky Dorys World Title Fight Night are priced from €50 and are available now from Ticketmaster (phone 0818 719 300 or visit ticketmaster.ie). Tickets are also available from Ticketmaster outlets nationwide.
QuoteUndefeated world super-middleweight and light-heavyweight boxing champion Joe Calzaghe has announced his retirement.
The 36-year-old Welshman, who reigned as a world champion for more than 11 years, quits the ring with a glittering record of 46 wins from 46 fights.
"It was a difficult decision but I have achieved everything I wanted to achieve in boxing," he told BBC Sport.
"I've been world champion for 11 years. I've got no other goals to go for. That's why I am calling it a day."
In an exclusive interview with BBC sports editor Mihir Bose, Calzaghe, who held the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF super-middleweight belts during his 16-year professional career, said he had thought "long and hard" about retiring but insisted it was the right move.
"I had a long think with my family," he said. "My children wanted me to give up, plus my mum. That's why I called it a day and will go on to do something else."
Asked if he could ever be tempted back into the ring in the future, the Newbridge fighter replied: "My decision is to retire. I've been boxing for 25 years and, like I said, I've achieved everything I want to achieve.
"You can never say never in this game, but I can't see myself boxing again. There's loads of things I want to do. I'm proud to be one of only a few fighters in history to retire undefeated."
Calzaghe, who was born in London but moved to Wales when he was two, chalked up an impressive record as an amateur, winning 110 of his 120 contests after taking up the sport at the age of nine.
He began his professional career with a first-round stoppage of Paul Hanlon on 1 October, 1993, going on to win seven of his first nine bouts in round one.
Trained by his father, Enzo, he became British super-middleweight champion in 1995 before capturing his first world title in 1997, outpointing Chris Eubank to claim the WBO crown.
Despite suffering from several hand injuries, Calzaghe defended the title a total of 21 times, adding the IBF version to his trophy cabinet with a stunning victory over American Jeff Lacy in March 2006.
He then claimed the WBA and WBC belts with what he feels is his most satisfying fight, a unanimous points win over Denmark's Mikkel Kessler at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff on 4 November, 2007.
"Unifying the super-middleweight division in front of 50,000 fans was a dream come true for me," he told BBC Sport.
"I was fighting a younger fighter than me, I was the underdog. A lot of people thought I was going to lose that fight. It was a great night."
Just a few weeks later, he was named BBC Sports Personality of the Year, collecting a CBE soon afterwards, which went nicely along the MBE he received in 2003.
Calzaghe's final two fights cemented his reputation as one of Britain's greatest ever boxers.
Stepping up to light-heavyweight and fighting in America for the first time, he won a split decision against Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas to become 'The Ring' light-heavyweight champion.
Calzaghe was 2007 BBC Sports Personality
He then finished his career with a comprehensive points victory over the legendary Roy Jones Jr at New York's Madison Square Garden on 8 November.
Calzaghe, who will be 37 on 23 March, hinted before the fight with Jones that it would be his last, despite talk of a re-match with Hopkins.
Fellow Briton Carl Froch, who took possession of Calzaghe's old WBC super-middleweight belt by beating Canadian Jean Pascal in December, was also eager to take him on.
But Calzaghe resisted the lure of another big pay day and the chance to inch closer to Rocky Marciano's record of 49 wins from 49 fights.
Calzaghe, who has two sons, Connor and Joe, from his marriage to Mandy, says he now plans to concentrate on his charity work and becoming a boxing promoter.
Now divorced and living with model girlfriend Jo-Emma, he also revealed he had several TV projects lined up.
Heavyweight champion Rocky Marciano with 49 wins in 49 fights and strawweight and light-flyweight Ricardo Lopez of Mexico, with 51 wins in 51 fights also retired undefeated.
Good for him is what I say, go out with a clean record. Never really got the credit he deserved, but a fine boxer all the same.
yeah glad he called it a day, there was no one else out there for him to fight. i hope it really is a proper retirement and not a i've retired but i'm open to offers like a lot of fighters these days.
Yep, I'd retire too:
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she doesnt look like that now hi
good call from Joe - great record, great career - fair play to him he did his job - but i doubt he will ever go down as one of the all time greats - have the world has never heard of him and the other half may not remember him in 20 years
not saying he doesn't deserve to be but think this will be the case
anyone know if setanta or anyone showing john duddys fight this weekend?? i know he is on the undercard of cottos vacant title fight, so i'm sure someone is showing it??
National finals on now RTE 2
Classy alright- great mover
Karl Framton was the best fighter on the night without a doubt
Duddy fight!
http://www.freesportsnetwork.net/ (http://www.freesportsnetwork.net/)
Duddy wins, held of a late rally by Vanda!
American commentators says he would be better suited to 154lb weight division
Changed fighter tonight used the jab all night and controlled the fight, dont think Duddy has a mark after this one which the commentators cant get over!!
duddy used his jab far more last night and didn't get involved in a slogging match, apart from the last round were he got caught a couple of times. aye the commentators were talking bout himmoving down a weight. i don't think will happen now with a fight with pavlik near a cert. if he gets beat then i couold see him move down.
pavlik will eat him up and spit him out
Pavlik should never have moved up in weights to fight hopkins and it showed
Adding Muscle Mass is very difficult over a short period of time and when he fought Hopkins, he was over powered and out muscled by the obviously bigger and stronger man - he should learn a valuable lesson from this - like Hatton - stay at your weight!!!!
Duddy for me is extremely over hyped and a puppet being used to empty the pockets of the Irish Americans. He is definitely not world class from what I have seen of him, he doesn't have a big punch, he is not technically gifted and at times is very reckless choosing to slug it out and prove a point instead on concentrating on his boxing.
Pavlik is too much of a step up in class for him and he is going to get a serious lesson......
The Irish Americans will still love him because he's Irish and took a good beating and is still smiling and the promoters will continue to make money off of him......
Quote from: The Iceman on February 25, 2009, 05:13:41 PM
Pavlik should never have moved up in weights to fight hopkins and it showed
Adding Muscle Mass is very difficult over a short period of time and when he fought Hopkins, he was over powered and out muscled by the obviously bigger and stronger man - he should learn a valuable lesson from this - like Hatton - stay at your weight!!!!
Duddy for me is extremely over hyped and a puppet being used to empty the pockets of the Irish Americans. He is definitely not world class from what I have seen of him, he doesn't have a big punch, he is not technically gifted and at times is very reckless choosing to slug it out and prove a point instead on concentrating on his boxing.
Pavlik is too much of a step up in class for him and he is going to get a serious lesson......
The Irish Americans will still love him because he's Irish and took a good beating and is still smiling and the promoters will continue to make money off of him......
I'd agree with your assessment of Duddy, but as for Pavlik being beaten by Hopkins being down to not being big enough. I personally don't think so, Hopkins was far too savvy for him and proved himself to be on another level. Pavlik fights in straight lines and any stylish boxer will trouble him. I'd like to see Arthur Abraham fight Pavlik.
The point about mass is probably true and im sure it might have affected Pavliks game but the point that Glens made is true. The victory for Hopkins was more down to experience and boxing skill. All through the fight bhop beat him to the punch and generally had pavlik completely confused and exposed as 1dimensional. Speed, skill, experience rather than power. Put it like this, if Pavlik had the right muscle mass for YEARS before that fight he wouldnt have beat Hopkins that night (assuming all other factors were the same)
Quote from: whiskeysteve on February 25, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
The point about mass is probably true and im sure it might have affected Pavliks game but the point that Glens made is true. The victory for Hopkins was more down to experience and boxing skill. All through the fight bhop beat him to the punch and generally had pavlik completely confused and exposed as 1dimensional. Speed, skill, experience rather than power. Put it like this, if Pavlik had the right muscle mass for YEARS before that fight he wouldnt have beat Hopkins that night (assuming all other factors were the same)
Probably true, but Pavlik put on 10lb for that fight and he hadn't moved up weights before- it was just too much of a jump. Perhaps 167lb would have been a fairer compromise between the 2 fighters.
Disagree with Iceman though saying you should stay at your weight- to be considered great a boxer has to be prepared to move within reason to take the best fights. People who used Hatton's weight as an excuse for him getting slaughtered by Mayweather at welterweight generally omitted to mention the fact that PBF was fighting at lower weights than Hatton for most of his career. World class boxers, properly managed, should be able to move divisions and be successful.
Quote from: Rav67 on February 26, 2009, 12:26:19 AM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on February 25, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
The point about mass is probably true and im sure it might have affected Pavliks game but the point that Glens made is true. The victory for Hopkins was more down to experience and boxing skill. All through the fight bhop beat him to the punch and generally had pavlik completely confused and exposed as 1dimensional. Speed, skill, experience rather than power. Put it like this, if Pavlik had the right muscle mass for YEARS before that fight he wouldnt have beat Hopkins that night (assuming all other factors were the same)
Probably true, but Pavlik put on 10lb for that fight and he hadn't moved up weights before- it was just too much of a jump. Perhaps 167lb would have been a fairer compromise between the 2 fighters.
Disagree with Iceman though saying you should stay at your weight- to be considered great a boxer has to be prepared to move within reason to take the best fights. People who used Hatton's weight as an excuse for him getting slaughtered by Mayweather at welterweight generally omitted to mention the fact that PBF was fighting at lower weights than Hatton for most of his career. World class boxers, properly managed, should be able to move divisions and be successful.
I didn't say that all boxers should stay at their weight. But Pavlik and Hatton definitely should have stayed at their ideal weight.
So tell me what proper management has to do with being successful in other divisions.....
Proper management in that they only fight 2nd rate fighters in that division and therefore get win?
In order to move between divisions you first need the genetics - you need the frame, the size, the legs and the ability to put on "good" weight in a timely manner without losing your speed, agility and hopefully increasing your power. You need the boxing ability and most fighters who succeed in other divisions are technical fighters although as always there are exceptions to this. Few fighters were able to do this but those that did will always be remembered as great and PFP contenders in their respective eras.
Thats my two cents anyway
There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
Any thoughts on the upcoming Rogan v Skelton fight?
Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:57:39 PM
Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Think he was being sarcastic !!!!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:51:53 PM
There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
Quote from: behind the wire on February 26, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:51:53 PM
There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
No doubt about it! Apparently the rioting and shooting stopped every time Gerry walked up the Falls or Shankill ::), he is hardly Del Boy outside Nelson Mandela House!!
Quote from: Gaffer on February 26, 2009, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:57:39 PM
Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Think he was being sarcastic !!!!
Sorry gaffer, use of explanation mark denotes my employment of sarcasm too!!!!! ::)
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 26, 2009, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:57:39 PM
Rogie was showing off his new beamer on newsline last night, said it was a gift from Audley Harrison!
Think he was being sarcastic !!!!
Sorry gaffer, use of explanation mark denotes my employment of sarcasm too!!!!! ::)
It was a nice motor too. God help the first drunken customer who spews all over the back seat.
Quote from: behind the wire on February 26, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:51:53 PM
There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
Think the fight is on sky sports on saturday night. Its on the same bill as the couple of British Olympians including James DeGale who seems to be a bit of a p***k!
Quote from: tyroneboi on February 26, 2009, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on February 26, 2009, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 26, 2009, 01:51:53 PM
There was a good interview with Gerry Storey in the Sunday Times Sport last week if anyone could post up a link, very intertesting article about him and the Holy Family gym.
i saw that in the times on sunday. it was a very good interview. i would love to know how much of it is true though, some of it sounded a bit far fetched, but it was definitely obvious that storey didnt take sides at all when dealing with boxing.
where can the rogan fight be watched on tv?
Think the fight is on sky sports on saturday night. Its on the same bill as the couple of British Olympians including James DeGale who seems to be a bit of a p***k!
That is a total understatement.
He is a complete c**k and for an Englishman he can hardly speak a word of English. He will be sheltered from anyone who can actually throw a punch (ala Khan) as he has a glass chin (ala Khan) and will build up a reputation through beating the dregs of the scene and being hyped up by the Brit media.
Then WHAM!!
knocked out by first decent fighter he meets (ala Khan) ;D ;D
I personnaly am looking forward to the day. ;D ;D
once again rendall monroe showed kiko martinez up to be a very limited fighter last night. same story as last time, martinez always looking for the big knockout. it was close enough up until the 5th round and then monroes better boxing came through. thought at one stage the ref was going to stop the fight, but martinez hung on and went the distance.
looking forward to seeing big rogie tonight, would love to see him do it, and i wouldn rule it out. he'll give it his all thats for sure!!
hope degale gets knocked out!!!!!
Rogie is 7/2 and Matt is 7/2 to win on points, i think that Rogie wont go down, pride will keep him up and if he doesn't win (he's 10/1 to win on points) then Matt will be a better bet at 7/2 for a points win
Programme starts at 10pm on SS1
Dont know the order of fights
Quote from: hardstation on February 28, 2009, 10:54:08 PM
Has Marty been on yet?
Not yet, he has a few taxi runs to do before he fights.
Any streams lads? have money on Matt wining on points
Coming on now lads
Dont know where you would get a stream for it mr
Where did Frank Warren round them duds up from? They landed about 20 punches between them in the 3 fights just there.
Rogan v Skelton is on now.
I see he still has that gypsy Eamonn Mage in his corner.
Quote from: hardstation on February 28, 2009, 11:17:44 PM
Good man. Shawshank getting fecking interesting too!
I will save you the bother hs, he escapes :o
C'mon Rogie ya big cnut
Skelton is a big lad
Rogie doing ok so far
Certainly not a 4/1 shot so far
Who or what is 'Jodi' ?
Quote from: full back on February 28, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Rogie doing ok so far
Certainly not a 4/1 shot so far
Who or what is 'Jodi' ?
His daughter i believe.
stream lads come on
Quote from: milltown row on February 28, 2009, 11:32:05 PM
stream lads come on
Sky Sports 1 are doing a great stream at present.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Cant find a stream anywhere mr
Go on Rogie, ya have the b4stard
Doing well alright
He is the favourite now @ 4/6
What are these skills that w4nker Watt keeps saying Skelton has ::)
Rogie has 5 years on Skelton as well
Aye fcuk i didnt know Skelton was 42
Skelton is fcuked
1/4 now for Rogie
Hope Rogie has a bit in the tank, if he has fight over
Skelton is clean fucked
1/12 on paddy power now/ 9/2 for points win today. done both
Great start to the 8th for Rogie
I have Rogie 2/3 in front
your a ballax station
1/5 on betfair now
Dont think it will go the distance miltown
This is the best heavyweight fight i have seen since Rocky Balboa & Ivan Drago
better than clubber lang?
They are both fucked now
if its a points win whos wining?
Rogan is probably slightly ahead
Fantastic win for rogan. great performance......not a lot of style but plenty of substance.
brilliant
Great, I thought the ref should have ended in in the 8th and I thought it would haunt him not having the finish, but Jesus did he land some smacks in the 11th. Excellent.
Quote from: hardstation on March 01, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
Still on a buzz from that. 'Twas a deadly fight. Pure slugfest. Class.
watching the repeat on SS1, what a fight, and fair play to the big fella. HS you must have enjoyed that!!
Is it repeated today?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on March 01, 2009, 12:47:30 PM
Is it repeated today?
sky sports xtra now, but I think his fight is on last
It was a hell of a fight last night. Thought it was slipping away from Martin in the 9th and 10th rounds but in the 11th he absolutely emptied the tank to win. He is a real likeable fella by the looks of it as well.
If anyone can find a copy of Rogans fight online could they post a link. Must have been a great fight going by what i have read!
Watched Marquez against Diaz last night which also was a great fight, Marquez winning with a ninth round knockout!
Any word from Kenny Egan who failed to turn up for the Ireland v USA fight yesterday and who can't even be contacted.
It is suspected he's going to turn pro but strange to not even turn up or to grt in touch with someone.
Most enjoyable fight I've watched maybe ever. Hope he doesn't rush towards a fight with Haye, probably in a different class but Rogie has the heart of a lion.
Thought the two of them were going to collapse with exhaustion in the tenth but when Rogie smelt blood in the eleventh he totally battered Skelton, pure adrenalin seen him come up with a ferocious barrage.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 01, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
If anyone can find a copy of Rogans fight online could they post a link. Must have been a great fight going by what i have read!
It was far from a "great fight", and would be much less so if you knew the final outcome while watching, so don't get your hopes up of seeing a classic.
It was entertaining, both men gave it all, and while we would probably all have thought Rogan was ahead, it was worrying hearing Jim Watt talking about Skelton nicking rounds, so the result was in doubt right up until the stoppage in the 11th.
I don't think Rogan should move up from this. Stay at the Commonwealth level, defend against the likes of Danny Williams, Michael Sprott, Sam Sexton, or even give Skelton or Harrison rematches.
Great Fight!!!
Anyone know of an internet link to it?
Good win for Rogan - Skelton is as tough as they come and Chagaev couldn't stop him so that should give Rogan hope that maybe he can step up a level. Obviously his age is a problem as he hasn't the time to sit around and defend the Commonwealth belt, but then again after only 12 pro fights should he make the jump. It will be interesting.
Folks - what about tomorrow night and Khan v. Barrera. Surely Barrera will knock the head off him? Khan wouldn't be up to that level would he?
Nearly brought the YouTube thread off topic talking about this.
I haven't been following boxing as closely lately as I normally would but as I said in the YouTube thread
"I'm surprised they made this fight for Khan. His trainer Freddie Roach really piled on the pressure on him then by saying that if he wins he has a huge future ahead of him but if he loses thats it for him."
and
"Yea Barrera might not be as good as he once was, but for Khan who is not long after a huge defeat, I feel its a very hard fight this early on for him. Saying that I would not begrudge Khan a win at all, if he does win then fair play to him. Hopfully it will be a good fight."
But my first feeling on this fight was the same as yours Seanie, a dangerous fight for Khan.
looking for a stream for the mccloskey fight, any links men?
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 13, 2009, 06:49:46 PM
Folks - what about tomorrow night and Khan v. Barrera. Surely Barrera will knock the head off him? Khan wouldn't be up to that level would he?
Not sure what's up here. It's a rare fight for Khan to take on after the defeat. Something is telling me Barrera is done and Khan's crowd knows it. I hear Khan has been training away in private in the States - no mobile phone, no contact with home for 6 weeks.
Quote from: peterquaife on March 13, 2009, 09:52:13 PM
looking for a stream for the mccloskey fight, any links men?
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=32956&part=sports
Quote from: ONeill on March 13, 2009, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on March 13, 2009, 09:52:13 PM
looking for a stream for the mccloskey fight, any links men?
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=32956&part=sports
gentleman, thanks sir
http://www.justin.tv/baftas
Quote from: ONeill on March 13, 2009, 10:01:41 PM
http://www.justin.tv/baftas
thats the one..good stream
dudey has him
McCloskey is very open though. A good fighter would give him some trouble.
Quote from: ONeill on March 13, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 13, 2009, 06:49:46 PM
Folks - what about tomorrow night and Khan v. Barrera. Surely Barrera will knock the head off him? Khan wouldn't be up to that level would he?
Not sure what's up here. It's a rare fight for Khan to take on after the defeat. Something is telling me Barrera is done and Khan's crowd knows it. I hear Khan has been training away in private in the States - no mobile phone, no contact with home for 6 weeks.
Yeah, but why would Barrera bother if he had any doubts? I know he's past his best but even at 35 I still think he'll have too much for Khan.
he always is, its the way he seems to lure to oppo in
some performance..hopefully shot at european soon
Were did they find Harrison ???
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 13, 2009, 10:28:10 PM
Were did they find Harrison ???
He was an old sparring partner of McCloskeys, knew it would be easy for him after reading that.
Cracking win for Matthew Macklin tonight in Birmingham to win the British Middleweight title
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 14, 2009, 08:01:34 PM
Should be an exciting one tonight lads, anyone any good streams... :)
same one as last night sir should do the trick
http://www.justin.tv/baftas
What time do they reckon the Khan fight will start? Is it an early morning time?
Quote from: tyroneboi on March 14, 2009, 10:04:31 PM
What time do they reckon the Khan fight will start? Is it an early morning time?
10:45 / 11pm according to justintv room
Is it the next fight up after the Macerinelli fight?
Quote from: peterquaife on March 14, 2009, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 14, 2009, 08:01:34 PM
Should be an exciting one tonight lads, anyone any good streams... :)
same one as last night sir should do the trick
http://www.justin.tv/baftas
That seems to be an excellent stream so far anyway.
The Khan fight is coming up now. Enzo just got knocked out with as sweet a right punch as you will see!
Excellent stream indeed. Just be patient while it loads.
Mine took over 5 minutes to load and its flowing ever since.
http://redbullsports.blogspot.com/
try this
I can't abide that bolox Jim Watt. Was a dirty ********. Pity Nash didn't beat him and be in the commentry box instead.
That class of heads has ruined this fight
Quote from: Jimmy Joe on March 14, 2009, 11:21:04 PM
That class of heads has ruined this fight
Ironic after wat I said about Watt!
aye and our jimmy said hes never seen a clash like that in his boxing life!!!!!!
he was keen of the the Glasgow hand shakes
shite fight, and stop talking up this young lad Khan
SKY and the british papers will be hard to listen to now. The fight was ruined before it could even get started. That was Jim Watt is a bastard of the highest order!
This commentary is making me sick!!! Fcuk they'd do your head in. Barrera couldn't see for 4 1/2 rounds FFS!!!
Khan is a far far bigger man. I couldnt see an aged MAB beating him. But it would have been nice to have a proper fight. With Khan's chin his opponent always has a chance.
The interviewer was trying to get Barrera to say something good about Khan performance and he was having none of it. Jim Watt said absolutely nothing could take the shine away from Khans victory tonight - try a 4 inch gash on his forehead Jim!! In the words of SKY "a new super star has been born" ::) ::)
Kahn won following a technical decision which was based on an accident in the first round which greatly favoured Kahn. He was essentially punching against someone who could only see out of one eye.
This fight could have been so much more competitive >:(
I can't see how they can give him any more credit than for what he done in the first minute
Quote from: Hound on March 14, 2009, 11:39:17 PM
Khan is a far far bigger man. I couldnt see an aged MAB beating him. But it would have been nice to have a proper fight. With Khan's chin his opponent always has a chance.
a better balanced view hound, but the age thing, sure big Marty Rogan is 38. (not 37) Khan was looking stronger than before he'll have tougher tests soon enough.
remember the prince Nasim? Khan seems the same type
Quote from: milltown row on March 14, 2009, 11:45:21 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 14, 2009, 11:39:17 PM
Khan is a far far bigger man. I couldnt see an aged MAB beating him. But it would have been nice to have a proper fight. With Khan's chin his opponent always has a chance.
a better balanced view hound, but the age thing, sure big Marty Rogan is 38. (not 37) Khan was looking stronger than before he'll have tougher tests soon enough.
remember the prince Nasim? Khan seems the same type
But sure Marty Rogan was fighting a 42 year old in Skelton so the age thing was taking out of it to a certain degree in that one.
We will never know how the fight would have faired out if the clash of heads hadnt have happened. Its just the British media that I cant stand in moments like this. SKY barely mentioned the fact that the cut had a massive bearing on the fight!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 14, 2009, 11:47:18 PM
Well i suppose it was an improved display from the Bredis Presott fight he fought at the MEN ;D
Enzo Macranelli (sp) got knocked the f**k out tonight...anyome see that punch?? Enzo sure did'nt!!!!!!!!!!
Enzo was the great white hope a year ago but is having a time of it now.
That was a brutal punch that ended macranelli tonight, absolutely brutal. On the Khan fight, its disappointing re the way the fight ended, as i think an uncut Barrera would gave given khan his fill tonight. its tough enough,without only being able to see out of one eye. Milltown, khan aint in the same class as hamed was.....he was an unbelieveably powerful puncher for his weight.....far more than khan is.
Watched Barrera on Youtube today giving the T@@@er Prince Nassem a well deserved and long overdue hiding.
He was super in his prime.
Only supported Khan tonight cos he came over to Clonoe Boxing Club for a visit a couple of years ago.
CAn't believe I had to throw a fella a fiver to watch that!! Cut ruined it. I reckon Barrerra would have put it up to him tonight only for the clash of heads.
Oh, and Enzo got KNOCKED THE f**k OUT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ymtv1UPMA
KNOCKED THE FUGGGG OUT!
Almost pointless analysising the Khan fight. All the question marks remain even if SKY went beserk that he didn't fall to the 1 or 2 shots Barrera managed to throw. One or two fights away from a world title now I'd say. I have to say I quite like Khan. Whether he'll be a world class fighter is still to be decided but at least his fights are attractive to watch.
Christ that was some punch that floored Macarnelli. He sounded like a man of the verge of quitting after the fight. Was an explosive knock out the fight before as well.
Quote from: TORGAEL on March 14, 2009, 11:55:56 PM
That was a brutal punch that ended macranelli tonight, absolutely brutal. On the Khan fight, its disappointing re the way the fight ended, as i think an uncut Barrera would gave given khan his fill tonight. its tough enough,without only being able to see out of one eye. Hound, khan aint in the same class as hamed was.....he was an unbelieveably powerful puncher for his weight.....far more than khan is.
buts thats the point. Khan is two weight divisions heavier than Hamed was. Its 8 years since Barrera showed up the Prince and since then has had wars with Morales x2, Tapia, Pacquiao x2, Ayala and Marquez (among others). Its 18 months since his last proper fight (when Pacquiao beat him 10 rounds to 2)
Khan is very fast, has excellent skills, and carries a decent dig. But a very good proper lightweight will knock him out. Even a good lightweight like British champ Jono Thaxton would probably do him.
But Khan will beat an aged (esp in terms of rounds boxed) and much smaller MAB 9 times out of 10 IMO. Warren would not have put him in with MAB otherwise.
the sky ommentators were a disgrace last night!! none of them mentioned the fact that MAB had blood streaming into his left eye for the whole fight, well i think it was mccrory that said that MAB 'was complaining of blood affecting him, well never know!'! wat a p***k!! khan was throwing everything but wasn't hurting MAB. he wouldn't have knocked him out and would have been a good fight pnly for the cut. and the ' khan stopped him in the 5th' was a ridiculous statement by watt i think. you can be dam sure if it had have been the other way round, the only thing mentioned would have been the cut!! i don't mind khan, its just them wankers on sky that bugs me!!! phew rant over!!!
Terrible fight, was spoiled by the cut big tie
Lost £20 f**king quid on it, hate losing money when I dont get a run for it
I saw it in the pub. So didn't get to listen to the lads on Sky, but if its as bad as ye lads say then I'm glad I didn't get to listen to it! I was shouting for Khan, but the fight was useless, the clash ruined it. The amount of blood that was coming out of MAB eye was awful.
Soon after the clash of heads it was obvious it was a very bad cut, the fight should have been stopped and ruled a no contest. As far as I know if its stopped before four rounds its ruled as such, it wasn't very fair to MAB and would have been a completely different fight only for the clash.
Quote from: bridgegael on March 15, 2009, 09:56:39 AM
the sky ommentators were a disgrace last night!! none of them mentioned the fact that MAB had blood streaming into his left eye for the whole fight, well i think it was mccrory that said that MAB 'was complaining of blood affecting him, well never know!'! wat a p***k!! khan was throwing everything but wasn't hurting MAB. he wouldn't have knocked him out and would have been a good fight pnly for the cut. and the ' khan stopped him in the 5th' was a ridiculous statement by watt i think. you can be dam sure if it had have been the other way round, the only thing mentioned would have been the cut!! i don't mind khan, its just them w**kers on sky that bugs me!!! phew rant over!!!
I wouldn't get too wound up with what's been said by the commentators on Sky. They need to build Khan up to generate money for him, they're hardly going to say the fight wasn't a proper test for him after the cut Barrera got. Warren will be looking for one of the weaker champions rather than someone like Marquez who will be far too clever for him. By rights, Khan should fight John Murray next for his British title, but that won't happen as Warren would rather he failed going for a world title than failed going for the title of his own country. Sky wouldn't be able to generate any more money off him.
Well lads, what do all you boxing experts out there think about the Bernard Dunne fight this weekend? Does he have a good chance of winning? Would love to see him win it seems like a likeable sort of person.
If it remains a technical boxing match he's in with a chance - Though it is rare for fighters to lose in their first voluntary defence
I fancy Dunne to do it, he has looked really strong in his recent fights and has a different approach to since the Martinez loss. Cordoba has never won on foreign soil and he will be in for some wall of noise in the O2. Dunne returns to the scene of his only loss with a point to prove and a title to win, think Dunne will def start well but fight will prob go the distance with dunne edging it on points.
Dunne actually is a very nice fella (for a kn**ker) I met him in Croke Park a few years ago before he was as well known and he chatted away about boxing and the Dubs.
There was a crowd of youngsters following him around and he was signing anything they asked, he was really dead on about it, and commented "I bet they dont even know who I am, probably think Im playing out there later on" (Points at Croke Park pitch) "God wouldnt that be great."
Quote from: billy the kid on March 20, 2009, 03:55:47 PM
I fancy Dunne to do it, he has looked really strong in his recent fights and has a different approach to since the Martinez loss. Cordoba has never won on foreign soil and he will be in for some wall of noise in the O2. Dunne returns to the scene of his only loss with a point to prove and a title to win, think Dunne will def start well but fight will prob go the distance with dunne edging it on points.
Dunne actually is a very nice fella (for a kn**ker) I met him in Croke Park a few years ago before he was as well known and he chatted away about boxing and the Dubs.
There was a crowd of youngsters following him around and he was signing anything they asked, he was really dead on about it, and commented "I bet they dont even know who I am, probably think Im playing out there later on" (Points at Croke Park pitch) "God wouldnt that be great."
How good has the opposition since Martinez been though? The stat about Cordoba not winning in 3 fights outside Panama is encouraging though. Have to say I quite like Dunne though a lot of people seem put off by his cockiness. Could be a great day for Irish sport tomorrow.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 21, 2009, 12:26:09 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on March 20, 2009, 03:55:47 PM
I fancy Dunne to do it, he has looked really strong in his recent fights and has a different approach to since the Martinez loss. Cordoba has never won on foreign soil and he will be in for some wall of noise in the O2. Dunne returns to the scene of his only loss with a point to prove and a title to win, think Dunne will def start well but fight will prob go the distance with dunne edging it on points.
Dunne actually is a very nice fella (for a kn**ker) I met him in Croke Park a few years ago before he was as well known and he chatted away about boxing and the Dubs.
There was a crowd of youngsters following him around and he was signing anything they asked, he was really dead on about it, and commented "I bet they dont even know who I am, probably think Im playing out there later on" (Points at Croke Park pitch) "God wouldnt that be great."
How good has the opposition since Martinez been though? The stat about Cordoba not winning in 3 fights outside Panama is encouraging though. Have to say I quite like Dunne though a lot of people seem put off by his cockiness. Could be a great day for Irish sport tomorrow.
If anything Dunne is not cocky at all when compared to most other boxers. I never thought Dunne would win a World Title, I hope he proves me wrong later on today. I know al ot of people don't like Dunne at all, but its typical, theres always a few begrudgers.
its all wrapped up now
Anyone I've spoken with that has met him says Dunne is a genuinely nice lad and a very decent fella. The arrogance/cockiness that he appears to have is only for the fight.
Hope he does it tonight - Plus he loves the Dubs so he can't be bad!!!
I have followed Dunne for years and he is very entertaining and seems a decent fella. Hope he can do it tonight, also hope that Andy Lee does the business - the lads got rockets on both arms!
Its up to Bernard now to make it one of the best days in Irish sporting history. Good luck!
some fight going on here!!! could go either way!c'mon bernard
hunky dorys looks silly in the ring
Some scrap.
dave boy is a legend
Fair play to ya Bernard!!!!!!!!!some atmosphere!!!!!!
brilliant!!! dunne was brilliant tonight. ref has alot to answer for, should have stopped it the first time cordoba went down in the 11th
What a week for Irish sport.
Quote from: bridgegael on March 22, 2009, 12:20:47 AM
brilliant!!! dunne was brilliant tonight. ref has alot to answer for, should have stopped it the first time cordoba went down in the 11th
You not in bed yet??? big match tommorrow!!!!!! ;D
going now man!! your starting tomorrow, so plenty of rest
LOL i wish, away to dream of plucking balls and scoring goals then ;D :D
What a fight !
What a night for Ireland !
what was davy Fitz ndoing in the ring????? hope your man is ok
Fantastic fight. Fabulous performance from Dunne
Great fight. Both looked out of it at different stages. Great result
Didn't think he had the legs for it as he seemed blown in the 10th. Great win and great atmosphere.
Thought that was that wee bollox Fitz in the ring at the end. Bernard's doll must have got dressed in the dark.
Missed the first few but thought Cordoba had the best from 5 until the 10th. That the referee allowed that to go on after the second flooring was bad. I'd say Dunne will take no pleasure out of this until he knows Cordoba is ok.
Absolutely superb fight ;D ;D ;D. Think I enjoyed that one even more than the Rugby. Dunne was brilliant - way way ahead of anything he's ever produced on RTÉ before. Amazing fight to watch as well. Would tend to agree with the lads in the RTÉ studio that when Cordoba got after the second knock down he ha d aright to go on - after all Dunne was down twice in a round in the 5th as well. Delighted for Dunne - finally laid to rest the ghost of Martinez. A world champion for Ireland to be proud of.
I wouldn't want you scoring my fights Donagh. :)
Subjectivly speaking, I thought after Cordoba had his 5th round he didn't take control, in fact he looked the more wobbly from the 6th onwards.
Dunne was imperious after he survived the aftermath of the 5th and for the most part he looked the most likely to have the wherewithall to finish off the fight in the latter rounds.
would agree with main street here. thought dunne was on top from the 6th rd up. would disagree with the rte lads in that after the 1st knocdown in 11th cordoba was hardly even fit to stand never mind protect himself, and as a result of that we see what eventually happened him. poor refereeing.
It was a great nights entertainment, two excellent main fights.
That's a hell of a division that Dunne is in, it or welterweight would probably be the strongest of the lot- Vasquez, Marquez, Caballero, de Leon all super-bantam. Any chat about who he'll fight next? I suppose he'll be looking to go to America to fight one of those if he could.
Not really into the boxing but that was a great fight....Maybe national pride taking over but I roared him on...
Cant wait for Croker next Saturday 3 big wins in a week...fingers crossed!
At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
Quote from: glens73 on March 22, 2009, 11:28:40 AM
At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
Jimmy's great to listen to during a fight, Dave Boy is feckin awful tho!
Delighted for Dunne it was the result of the weekend IMHO,though not so delighted with the pub I was in in the middle of Dublin city last night
Rather than have the commentry of the fight they continued to play Irelands Call over the loudspeakers and I could hardly see the TV with the amount of D4 rugby fans standing in the way with their backs turned to the TV..
Quote from: glens73 on March 22, 2009, 11:28:40 AM
At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
Quote from: behind the wire on March 22, 2009, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: glens73 on March 22, 2009, 11:28:40 AM
At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
I'm sure ex professional champion boxer Dave McAuley will be delighted to hear he knows boxing as well as you.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on March 22, 2009, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: glens73 on March 22, 2009, 11:28:40 AM
At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
I'm sure ex professional champion boxer Dave McAuley will be delighted to hear he knows boxing as well as you.
In defence of behind the wire I recall Dave Boy's analysis being "off the mark" before, kept yattering on about an opponent of Andy Lee coming at him from the wrong side given that Lee fights southpaw, forgetting Lee is a right-handed southpaw.
obviously you dont watch the boxing very often tony. whats it like up there on the bandwagon?
i have heard dave boy giving shocking bad analysis on a few occasions, the most notable being the night andy lee fought jason mckay (as rav rightly pointed out)
have to say i don't like jimmy magee commentating, he talks nonsense at times!! at the start of the fifth sums jimmy up for me, saying the fight was over. and dave OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! boy wasn't too bad last night! Darragh maloney got carried away too me thinks saying dunne was the best boxer on the planet!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on March 22, 2009, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: glens73 on March 22, 2009, 11:28:40 AM
At the start of the 5th when Jimmy Magee thought it was over as Cordoba slipped, funniest commentating I've heard in years :D
think jimmy got a bit carried away, how he thought it wa over is beyond me!
for once i thought dave boy's analysis wasn't far off the mark, lefts on the inside followed by the right hook seemed to be where dunne made most ground. fair play to him, great fight. heart in my mouth for the second time inside a few hours.
hope cordoba was ok. dunne seemed to be genuinely concerned for him after the fight.
I'm sure ex professional champion boxer Dave McAuley will be delighted to hear he knows boxing as well as you.
I hope RTE paid dave boy with kosher 50 euro notes this time :P
Quote from: behind the wire on March 22, 2009, 12:53:55 PM
obviously you dont watch the boxing very often tony. whats it like up there on the bandwagon?
i have heard dave boy giving shocking bad analysis on a few occasions, the most notable being the night andy lee fought jason mckay (as rav rightly pointed out)
Dave Boy may have had the odd slip up in commentating, but i think he'd know a bit more than your average couch potato
Dave Boy's comment was ok last night.....Darragh Maloney just got carried away i think!
Didn't Jimmy scream out at one stage in the latter rounds, "DUNNE HAS A CUT EYE, HE IS BLEEDING"
whlie everbody else on the planet noticed that Dunne's eye had been cut and receiving treatment for 6 rounds previous.
The Ring at the end looked like a scene from a chainsaw massacre, blood on Dunne, on the the ref, on the the handlers, on the canvas, a boxer flat out on his back.
The blond woman had a bit of sense not embrace Dune and spoil a nice dress.
That Katie Taylor is savage.
Quote from: milltown row on March 22, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on March 22, 2009, 12:53:55 PM
obviously you dont watch the boxing very often tony. whats it like up there on the bandwagon?
i have heard dave boy giving shocking bad analysis on a few occasions, the most notable being the night andy lee fought jason mckay (as rav rightly pointed out)
Dave Boy may have had the odd slip up in commentating, but i think he'd know a bit more than your average couch potato
you are dead right milltown, and his analysis last night was spot on. i simply made the comment in light of a couple of commentaries last year. maybe tony is his brother or something.
seeing macklin there last night, do ya's think there is a possibility of either macklin/lee or duddy fighting anytime soon?? i would have macklin as no1 off the 3, can't help but be impressed by him anytime i've watched him fight.
I would agree with Main Street, Dunne was brilliant from the 6th on. The 5th was crazy, Dunne came out and caught Cordoba who went down although it was given as a slip and then Dunne looked like he was going to be knocked out, reminded me of a fight he was in 2005 when he dominated a fight against a man (Voronin) and got caught in the last round and was like Tony Baloney outside the Armagh City Hotel at 2am on a Saturday night.
As for Lee, he needs to get a few more fights in and start fighting for titles (i.e. Irish, European etc). Why has Lee/Duddy/Macklin or even Jim Rock not fought each other to even determine Irelands order insetad of pussy footing around the globe to satisfy their little American friends.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 22, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
I would agree with Main Street, Dunne was brilliant from the 6th on. The 5th was crazy, Dunne came out and caught Cordoba who went down although it was given as a slip and then Dunne looked like he was going to be knocked out, reminded me of a fight he was in 2005 when he dominated a fight against a man (Voronin) and got caught in the last round and was like Tony Baloney outside the Armagh City Hotel at 2am on a Saturday night.
As for Lee, he needs to get a few more fights in and start fighting for titles (i.e. Irish, European etc). Why has Lee/Duddy/Macklin or even Jim Rock not fought each other to even determine Irelands order insetad of pussy footing around the globe to satisfy their little American friends.
The plain and simple reason for this is cash!, if one of them gets a version of a world title, then potential fights are worth a lot more.
As Steve Bunce often says fights are only made when they make cash common sense!
It seems obvious in Duddy's case that the irish-american card is being played but surely Lee is making big bucks and as individuals they are bound to be a bit more motivated by glory instead of money. Well, you would like to think so
I know what you mean but promoters won't be rushing to make the fights until one of them gets a world title, then it becomes so much bigger. It's all about money, boxing.
Delighted for Bernard, that was some titanic effort. Great fight.
pure class of a fight....
bernard was in the right the place ...... fair play! so delighted for him...
to be honest enjoy the fight ever so slightly more than the rugby....
Quote from: Rav67 on March 22, 2009, 11:19:19 AM
That's a hell of a division that Dunne is in, it or welterweight would probably be the strongest of the lot- Vasquez, Marquez, Caballero, de Leon all super-bantam. Any chat about who he'll fight next? I suppose he'll be looking to go to America to fight one of those if he could.
Seen on ceefax there that Munroe feels he's run out of options with his European belt and wants to fight for a Commonwealth title then take on the winner of last night's fight. Whether his promoter (is it Warren or Moloney?) will be willing to let Brian Peters promote that fight in Dublin is another thing. There was certainly no meeting of minds over a European title clash. Kiko Martinez would be an interesting proposition for a voluntary defence. Would certainly be a big draw and given Dunne's improvement since July 2007 added to Martinez's stagnation, you'd expect Dunne to win comfortably. How much longer will Peters be able to keep these fights in Dublin?
Watched the fight again - still great viewing!
In hindsight Dunne was slightly fortunate at the end of the 5th. He took a lot of shots and another referee might have stepped in, particularly if it hadn't been so close to the end of the round. Whoever said Cordoba won every round from 6 to 10 is being very harsh. Thought on the replay there that Dunne took the 7th, 8th and 9th.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 22, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
Watched the fight again - still great viewing!
In hindsight Dunne was slightly fortunate at the end of the 5th. He took a lot of shots and another referee might have stepped in, particularly if it hadn't been so close to the end of the round. Whoever said Cordoba won every round from 6 to 10 is being very harsh. Thought on the replay there that Dunne took the 7th, 8th and 9th.
Watched it myself again,without the distraction of rugger buggers in my way..
Christ it was a great fight,real Rocky stuff!
Do you think he would have won on points if the fight had gone the 12 rounds?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 22, 2009, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 22, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
Watched the fight again - still great viewing!
In hindsight Dunne was slightly fortunate at the end of the 5th. He took a lot of shots and another referee might have stepped in, particularly if it hadn't been so close to the end of the round. Whoever said Cordoba won every round from 6 to 10 is being very harsh. Thought on the replay there that Dunne took the 7th, 8th and 9th.
Watched it myself again,without the distraction of rugger buggers in my way..
Christ it was a great fight,real Rocky stuff!
Do you think he would have won on points if the fight had gone the 12 rounds?
I don't think he was as far ahead on points as Jimmy Magee and Dave boy seemed to think. Last night at the start of the 11th, I said to Da that I thought he'd need at least 1 of the last 2 rounds to take it.
I think I gave Cordoba the 1st, 5th (is it 10-7 or 10-8 for 2 knockdowns), 6th, 10th and Dunne the 3rd (10-8), 4th, 7th, 8th and 9th. 2nd was very tight from what I remember. Would have been tight but I think Dunne had just about done enough.
It was an amazing fight, great stuff, Dunne has improved himself no end in the last couple of years, but as a boxer and a person.
He had a cocky attitude a couple of years ago that would make plenty of people happy to see him lose. I was happy when he was dumped on this hole in the first round a couple of years ago, yet I roared him on from start to finish last night.
Great fight, great achievement, Great finish to a massive day in Irish sport
What a fight! As a boxing fan I must say I took more delight in Dunne's win than in the Rugby! An amazing night, I was shouting at the TV, I have never been so nervous over a sporting event in years. I have said for the last four or so years, even before Dunne lost to Kiko when the bandwagon was in full swing that he would never win a world title, but I'm delighted he proved me wrong. I thought he would never survive that fifth round, but fair play to both men, they put on a great fight.
As for the ref, he was great, handled everything very well, don't know why people were complaining about him not stopping the fight earlier, Cordoba got straight up the first two times he was knocked in the 11th and he did not look hurt, so the ref was right to give him the chance to fight on. If the ref felt the same as some of the people who thought he didn't stop the fight on time well then we would never have got past the fifth round, it would have been over the second time Dunne went down. The ref wasn't at fault for what happened to Cordoba and thankfully he is fully OK.
Great night for Dunne and for Irish sport.
Was at the fight, absolutely Brilliant (Have lost my voice :-[ :-\) Dunne is a credit, he really came back after the 5th, which truth be told if it had of gone on another 20-30 seconds would have been all over. THe atmosphere was electric & I must say I was very very impressed with the O2. A brilliant venue, roll on the next boxing night out...
Andy Lee was very disappointing I thought, Katie Taylor was excellent, it was nice to see her getting a high billing.
Only downsight of the day/night were the rip off prices in Dublin... 25 yoyo for 4 plastic pints, 8 euro on the meter for taxis to pick us up... & they wonder why the economy in the south is in a jocker!!
thought Dunne was 4-2 ahead in rounds going into the 11th.
Am I correct in saying that he has dropped back down a weight division to his former naturalweight?
If so then his own professing of his punching being better when going back down to his natural weight was correct. He looked to have the punch that he prev didnt when fighting a couple of fights ago.
Andy Lee good boxer but defence a bit lacking at times, then again he was in the ring with a bit of a 'terminator' kind of guy - he kept coming and took a lot of punishment. Lee could have picked him off a bit more imo.
Easy said though !
great nights boxing.
Wouldn't be a boxing fan by any stretch but thoroughly enjoyed the fight on Sat. Dunne did well to see out the 5th round and couldn't believe the way he came back in the sixth. Would have preferred if they had the points up on screen like in the Olympics but we had Cordoba slightly ahead going into the 11th. What a round, some atmosphere in the boozer, was delighted to see him winning it on a knockout and that Cordoba didn't suffer any ill effects (ending slightly tainted the match, not a nice sight). I thought Dunne was playing to the crowd too much rather than concentrating on his own game but it all came good for him in the end. Well done Mr. Pintsize...
Delighted for Dunne and also the people of North Clondalkin. Always felt that BD had to ko the champ, as the rule of thumb in boxing (so I am told) is that the challenger has to be by far the best boxer on the night to get a points verdict.
Great for Irish Boxing that we finally have a World Champion since McGuigan. Heard Dunne in his interviewing actually thanking Kiko Martinez for stopping him back in August - was like a wake up call for him. -- Said that he was all out to prove his doubters/critics wrong and i have to admit that as a fan of Dunne, i was wary of him taking this fight on so soon after Kiko. But fair play to him, he picked himself up off the canvas in the 5th and topped off a massive day for Irish Sport....
he fought Martinez in Aug 2007
Quote from: ardmhachaabu08 on March 23, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
Great for Irish Boxing that we finally have a World Champion since McGuigan.
Steve Collins, Wayne McClullogh.......
Fair play to Bernard, would love to see him step up in class again and fight one of the very top fighters in the weight division, I think he'll go for Martinez or Munroe first though before he has a shot at one of the huge names.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 23, 2009, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu08 on March 23, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
Great for Irish Boxing that we finally have a World Champion since McGuigan.
Steve Collins, Wayne McClullogh.......
Fair play to Bernard, would love to see him step up in class again and fight one of the very top fighters in the weight division, I think he'll go for Martinez or Munroe first though before he has a shot at one of the huge names.
Meant to say first WBA World Champion since McGuigan
Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
Quote from: Hound on March 24, 2009, 08:39:38 AM
Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
97-90! i must have been watching another fight! It is some turnaround to some of the irish commentators who had dunne when it was stopped
97-90
I would find that very hard to believe if it wasn't for the fact that judges can be very unpredictable, sometimes I wonder what exactly do they mark on, as sometimes the results they give are outrageous.
Fair play to Dunne great fight can't believe thats how the judges had the match scored. Went to see him in his comeback fight after the martinez defeat in castlebar and honestly didn't think he would be world champion glad he proved me wrong. Seems a likeable lad and even his attitude after matinez defeated him was great, he did an interview straight away with Marty Morrisey that night and 1st thing he did was apologise to the fans who had paid good money to watch the fight.
Quote from: Hound on March 24, 2009, 08:39:38 AM
Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
fecking hell, didnt think that anyone would have scored it as one sidedly as this
as you say, judges generally go with the champ ....imagine if Dunne didnt stop him, the kind of reaction from the crowd to that result being announced !
Quote from: lynchbhoy on March 24, 2009, 10:11:50 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 24, 2009, 08:39:38 AM
Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
fecking hell, didnt think that anyone would have scored it as one sidedly as this
as you say, judges generally go with the champ ....imagine if Dunne didnt stop him, the kind of reaction from the crowd to that result being announced !
Scores seem fair to me, he was getting blitzed. Hometown decisions are much more likely than siding with the champion. Fair play to Dunne, but they ony get harder from here. Looks like his first amandatory will be against a Thai wth a 37-1 record.
Quote from: gallsman on March 24, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on March 24, 2009, 10:11:50 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 24, 2009, 08:39:38 AM
Fantastic fight, and well done to Bernard.
But for the cut above his eye caused by a headbutt I think Dunne would have won easier. But he was very lucky in the 5th. Five more seconds in that round and I'm sure the ref would have stopped it.
I think the ref got the stoppage spot on in the 11th. And damn glad he didnt let it go the extra second so Cordoba could have heard the bell.
Scorecards after 10 rounds:
Ted Gimza 95-92
Tom Miller 96-91
John Poturaj 97-90
All in favour of Cordoba!
Looks like pretty much every close round was awarded to the champ.
fecking hell, didnt think that anyone would have scored it as one sidedly as this
as you say, judges generally go with the champ ....imagine if Dunne didnt stop him, the kind of reaction from the crowd to that result being announced !
Scores seem fair to me, he was getting blitzed. Hometown decisions are much more likely than siding with the champion. Fair play to Dunne, but they ony get harder from here. Looks like his first amandatory will be against a Thai wth a 37-1 record.
suppose I am biased alright, but I thought that cordoba was throwing a lot of punches but not getting through Dunnes guard.
Certainly trying to be as impartial as possible, thought he was two rounds ahead...
there ya go though !
Exactly- trowing a lot of punches. Even if they're not getting through, he was still the aggressor, which by right should give hime a 10-9 round under the professionsal scoring system.
Anyway, you should be paying more attention to the big thing in waiting tat is Paul McCloskey!
Quote from: gallsman on March 24, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Exactly- trowing a lot of punches. Even if they're not getting through, he was still the aggressor, which by right should give hime a 10-9 round under the professionsal scoring system.
Anyway, you should be paying more attention to the big thing in waiting tat is Paul McCloskey!
when did that change- it used to be scoring punches that were counted, not just throwing them (and missing) !
Or are you just saying that this is what influences judges these days ?
Am def watching MCloskey with interest, has already surprised me with his better than expected punching ability.
A few friends never miss his fights. Hope he can continue his build up and learning before maybe hitting the big time.
Thats what Steve collins did - in fact I thought he had missed the boat when he returned from america !
The packet racket wants his chance now - he is some craic!
Quotehttp://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12533_5094320,00.html
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 24, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
The packet racket wants his chance now - he is some craic!
Quotehttp://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12533_5094320,00.html
Shouldn't he have retired years ago? Dunne could get some big money fights now that he is World Champion, nothing to gain by fighting Wayne, and for Wayne's own sake he should retire. There is too much to lose and nothing to gain by fighting McCullough.
feel sorry for wee wayne. Have done since I saw his wife interviewed, she was wearing wee picture frame earrings with pictures of wayne winning his belt (i had typed "wayne in the ring" there but decided it would be for the best if I removed that reference).
His power is gone, what little he had, and this leaves him in the position where his chin is all that keeps him in fights. His scoring punches are not doing any damage to fighters at all and he will only win if he has a very scoring punch oriented scorers and his opponent is not strong enough to do him damage over the duration of the fight...
I am both saddened and sickened by Wayne. Wayne was a good enough ambassador for Irish boxing in his time but he should stick to writing articles, commentating and some D-list appearances at boxing matches.
Trying to jump on Dunne's success is sickening. Let Bernard have his glory.
Taken from www.bbc.co.uk/sport
Amir Khan will get his first chance at a world title on 27 June when he fights WBA light-welterweight champion Andreas Kotelnik in Britain.
The 22-year-old from Bolton defeated Mexican legend Marco Antonio Barrera in their lightweight contest in Manchester last month.
But he will move up a division to take on Germany-based Ukrainian Kotelnik at an as-yet undecided venue.
"To fight for the world title in only my 22nd fight is fantastic," said Khan.
"This is the best news that I could have received. Frank (Warren, promoter) has done a great job getting the world title fight for me in Britain and now I have to go out and win it.
"I've seen Kotelnik a few times and I've always been impressed by him but once my trainer Freddie Roach works out the game plan to beat him it's my job to execute it on the night, as I did effectively against Barrera."
Following his knockout defeat by Breidis Prescott last September, Khan's hopes of a world title fight seemed a distant hope.
However, the performance against Barrera, which saw him win courtesy of a fifth-round technical stoppage, has put him back on track.
Most of his campaigning until now has been in the lightweight division where he won the Commonwealth, WBO and WBA intercontinental titles but he beat Rachid Drilzane for the IBF intercontinental light-welterweight title in December 2006 in London.
Kotelnik, who won Olympic lightweight silver at the 2000 Games in Sydney, four years before Khan did the same in Athens, has fought in Britain three times previously.
His first fight, in 2005, saw him beaten by Junior Witter in a European light-welterweight title fight.
In 2007 he held then WBA World Champion Souleymane M'Baye to a draw and last year he beat Gavin Rees to win the WBA crown.
Promoter Warren said: "This is the moment that Amir has been waiting for and I'm delighted to deliver him the opportunity.
"Amir put in a sensational performance against a three-time world champion and future Hall of Famer in Barrera in only his 21st fight and now he has to produce the same form against Kotelnik, who is a good hard fighter."
Interesting that he goes up to light-welterweight for a world title fight as he is ranked in the top 10 for the various light-weight belts. Being only a casual fan of boxing I was wondering is he moving up because this guy would seem to be easier to beat than any of the light-weight champions or do you think the oppertunity presented itself and he had to take it. If he wins it could set up a big pay day with Hatton.
Steve Bunce ran a competition on his boxing hour last month when people had to decide who they thought was the worst world champion past or present. Khan was on the show and Buncey asked him who he thought was the worst current world champion of any weight and he said Kotelnik, I wonder will he regret saying that when they meet in June. Suppose it does tell you why he has moved up. Just for the record Hatton would destroy Khan and I couldn't see Warren let that happen for a while yet. He has a bit more money to make out of Khan against mediocre or washed up opponents before he lets him face a great fighter like Hatton.
I despise Warren with a passion, obviously milking Khan for all he is worth, which in boxing terms isn't alot. He'll be found out (again) soon enough.
Hatton will never fight Khan, why would he when he can contest with the best pound for pound fighters in the world and making a packet at the same time.
I've alot of respect for Roach but I'd love to see Khan fall on his ass in his next few fights, wouldn't be much comeback from another KO.
Any thoughts on the Winky Wright v Paul Williams fight tonight? Winky hasn't fought in 2 years since getting beat by Hopkins at light-heavyweight, he's back down at a more natural weight for him tonight but 2 years is a long time to be out of the ring and he's 37 now... I fancy Williams to beat him on points
Quote from: Rav67 on April 11, 2009, 07:24:39 PM
Any thoughts on the Winky Wright v Paul Williams fight tonight? Winky hasn't fought in 2 years since getting beat by Hopkins at light-heavyweight, he's back down at a more natural weight for him tonight but 2 years is a long time to be out of the ring and he's 37 now... I fancy Williams to beat him on points
Good shout and correct decision by the judges, Williams boxed much better.
Golden Boy Retires
QuoteBoxing legend Oscar de la Hoya has announced his retirement from the sport at the age of 36.
De la Hoya, nicknamed 'the Golden Boy', held world titles at six different weights and ends with a win loss record of 39-6 with 30 knockouts.
"When I cannot compete at this level, I have come to the conclusion that it is over," said the Mexican-American.
"Knowing you are never going to fight again is a tough decision but I am looking forward to the future."
De la Hoya won a gold medal at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 and won 10 world titles, first at super-featherweight, before moving eventually through to middleweight.
He beat Julio Cesar Chavez for the light welterweight championship twice and claimed the unofficial crown of the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world when he beat Pernell Whitaker for the WBC welterweight crown in 1997.
In 2007, he lost to Floyd Mayweather Jr but it was defeat by Manny Pacquiao last December, his last fight, that pushed him towards retirement.
De la Hoya added: "This was a decision I was going back and forth with, thinking I can do it one more time.
"But it's not fair to me, it's not fair to the fans, it's not fair to nobody. I've come to the conclusion that's over, it's over inside the ring for me."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7999178.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7999178.stm)
Lads, im heading over to Vegas end of July, anyone know of any fights that may be taking place around that time, Ive always wanted to go to a fight in Vegas
Quote from: Onion Bag on April 15, 2009, 09:07:33 AM
Lads, im heading over to Vegas end of July, anyone know of any fights that may be taking place around that time, Ive always wanted to go to a fight in Vegas
I'm sure the UFC will be in town at the end of July. I've only made it to one live event and the atmosphere is amazing lad. Its not Croke Park but it is a great event.
Hatton should be in town too
is there anyone showing the taylor/froch fight on sat night?? setanta or sky?? should be a good fight i would think, very hard to know what way it would go.
frogh's last fight was on itv
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on April 23, 2009, 05:21:03 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on April 23, 2009, 05:05:24 PM
is there anyone showing the taylor/froch fight on sat night?? setanta or sky?? should be a good fight i would think, very hard to know what way it would go.
I read somewhere I think that no British television organisations signed up to televise this fight. I think froch even had a pop at them saying it was their loss if they didnt show it. If this is true, then its a disgrace as Frochs last night was a clinker.
Yeah would have thought ITV would have stumped up for it after the last fight but they didn't. It's being televised in US though so should be available online if you're keen to see it.
The Froch v Taylor fight is on ITV4 on Sunday at 8.30pm and ITV1 at 11.15pm on Sunday. It is on live on a website (FrochvTaylor.com) but for £9.95
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=1116
Surprised fight not live. Hpefully it will be half as entertaining as his last fight. ne1 been watchin Hatton- Pacquiao 24/7?wats ur toughts on them?
No reports on the Duddy fight? All I know is he was bate on a split decision!
Derry middleweight John Duddy suffered a shock first defeat as a professional when he lost on a split decision to Billy Lyell in New York.
Lyell, beaten seven times in a 26-fight pro-career, had been regarded as a safe opponent for the Irish boxer, but Duddy failed to produce the goods.
The result ends any hopes Duddy had of getting into the ring with WBC and WBO champion Kelly Pavlik.
Lyell from Ohio won 97-93 and 98-92 on two of the judges' cards.
The third judge gave it to Duddy 96-94.
Quote from: DaUmpire on April 23, 2009, 10:04:11 PM
Surprised fight not live. Hpefully it will be half as entertaining as his last fight. ne1 been watchin Hatton- Pacquiao 24/7?wats ur toughts on them?
Looking forward to it...I don't fancy Hattons chances in this one though :-\
Quote from: bigfrank on April 25, 2009, 06:28:41 PM
Derry middleweight John Duddy suffered a shock first defeat as a professional when he lost on a split decision to Billy Lyell in New York.
Lyell, beaten seven times in a 26-fight pro-career, had been regarded as a safe opponent for the Irish boxer, but Duddy failed to produce the goods.
The result ends any hopes Duddy had of getting into the ring with WBC and WBO champion Kelly Pavlik.
Lyell from Ohio won 97-93 and 98-92 on two of the judges' cards.
The third judge gave it to Duddy 96-94.
That is some difference in the scoring! the judges must have pretty much got every round scored differently!
Highlights of Froch v Taylor on ITV at 11.15 tonight.
Highlights of Duddy getting bate is on in 10 mins on BBC1.
Watched Duddy and the Froch fight and have to say Duddy is a long way from the finished article or even close to getting a World Title Fight. Yeah I know he changed Trainer and changed his style a bit but this guy was a journeyman and Duddy was expected to beat him comfortably yet he was well beaten in the end up.
Stumbled across Froch Taylor last night and it was riveting stuff. Both lads went at it hell for leather and when Froch needed to pull it out of the bag he managed to do just that when it mattered. It was great stuff!
Would cringe if Calzaghe came out of retirement. Nothing to gain by fighting Froch. Taylor has a record of starting brightly and getting worn down by tough but limited fighters. Froch was lucky enough and will be found out eventually, another fighter would have finished him off after the 3rd round knockdown. I would like to see him fight Kessler or Hopkins, think he would be showed up.
Read about this fella Juan Manuel Lopez knocking out Gerry Penalosa at the weekend (though havent seen it yet). Broke compubox records by throwing over 1000 punches and landing 444 in nine rounds, some hype about him now hes 25-0 with 23 knockouts and is being widely tipped to clean up the jr. featherweight division. This division already has 3 of The Rings top 10 pound for pounders as well as our own Bernard Dunne :)
Whiskeysteve. "Juanma" is being talked about quite a bit. Is looking for fight with Marquez or Vazquez which could be brilliant. He knocked out Daniel Ponce de Leon in one last year (massive puncher himself who previously knocked out Rey Bautista in one or two rounds). Should be some cracking fights in that division over enxt 18 months
Quote from: CiKe on April 27, 2009, 08:25:02 PM
Whiskeysteve. "Juanma" is being talked about quite a bit. Is looking for fight with Marquez or Vazquez which could be brilliant. He knocked out Daniel Ponce de Leon in one last year (massive puncher himself who previously knocked out Rey Bautista in one or two rounds). Should be some cracking fights in that division over enxt 18 months
Yes its easily the best division at present, I hope Dunne can manage to get a fight against one of the big boys, he'd need to do it soon really as he only probably has a couple of years left at the top when you consider the peak years usually for fighters around that weight.
Froch looked very cumbersome all fight and have to agree with judge's scorecards that he was a few rounds down, he knew that himself and really went for it last round. That was a massive win, didn't expect him to beat Taylor in America. I think Kessler would be his next realistic target to fight as can't see Calzaghe coming out of retirement. Pavlik will more than likely fight at middleweight for a while now so I don't think he's a viable option.
De la Hoya was a much bigger fighter too but it didn't do him any good.
Hatton definitely worth a punt at those odds though - he definitely has the tools to win this but does he want it as much as Manny?!?!?
I have a fleeting interest in boxing and to be honest I dont really know a hell of a lot about its structures.
Tell me this, how many organisations are there (i.e - WBO, WBC etc) and are some organisations more prestigous than others?
Also, can a boxer hold titles in different organisations?
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 28, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
I have a fleeting interest in boxing and to be honest I dont really know a hell of a lot about its structures.
Tell me this, how many organisations are there (i.e - WBO, WBC etc) and are some organisations more prestigous than others?
Also, can a boxer hold titles in different organisations?
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF would be the four respected sanctioning bodies. IBO is a bit of a mickey-mouse title and you won;t find their title holder on a list of champions usually. You can hold different belts at once.
Ring magazine in the past few years have had their own 'linear' champion who would generally be the best in the division. They work it through who the champions would be were there still one belt in each division, by working through the line of champions and who beat them each time. If the line has broken then to win the Ring title one of its top 3 ranked boxers in the division has to beat the other to become champion. Ring would be the real definitive champion in each division which has a Ring champion.
It is a bit shit that there are so many world titles. Great as it was to see Dunne win his belt and everyone saying it was great to have an Irish world champ, the reality is he's not even in the top 5 or 6 in his division.
Does anyone know if 24/7 can be watched online? Its an amazing show, some of the training scenes you could watch over and over again.
Anyone going to the Odessey on the 15th for the Rogan fight. The 'Western Warrior' Henry Coyle is fighting on the undercard bringing a good gang of mayo supporters to belfast.
Quote from: Rav67 on April 28, 2009, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 28, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
I have a fleeting interest in boxing and to be honest I dont really know a hell of a lot about its structures.
Tell me this, how many organisations are there (i.e - WBO, WBC etc) and are some organisations more prestigous than others?
Also, can a boxer hold titles in different organisations?
WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF would be the four respected sanctioning bodies. IBO is a bit of a mickey-mouse title and you won;t find their title holder on a list of champions usually. You can hold different belts at once.
Ring magazine in the past few years have had their own 'linear' champion who would generally be the best in the division. They work it through who the champions would be were there still one belt in each division, by working through the line of champions and who beat them each time. If the line has broken then to win the Ring title one of its top 3 ranked boxers in the division has to beat the other to become champion. Ring would be the real definitive champion in each division which has a Ring champion.
It is a bit shit that there are so many world titles. Great as it was to see Dunne win his belt and everyone saying it was great to have an Irish world champ, the reality is he's not even in the top 5 or 6 in his division.
The 'title' he won was a bit strange too wasn't it? I'm not 100% on these things but he seems to have won a second watered down version of the WBA title, as the original WBA title holder became a 'super champion' by winning another belt. I've read that this is a bit of a scam that the WBA pull, having two champions at once so that they pick up sanctioning fees from two sets of title fights.
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?division=Super%20Bantamweight&sex=m
There is one list of rankings anway with Dunne at number seven. You could argue all day about the order. De Leon isn't much of a boxer but packs a hell of a punch - would be surprised if Dunne started favourite against him. Munroe has schooled Martinez on two occasions and would give Dunne a very good fight. Not sure why Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez aren't there. Only thing I can think of is possibly inactivity - i've seen Vasquez and also sometimes Marquez in quite a few P4P lists.
Manny wins for me. Hatton is bigger but suspect Pac Man is actually the puncher in this fight. He is almost as fast as Mayweather. Despite some people claiming it was a close fight, Mayweather handed him his ass that night and made Hatton look slow. Whereas Mayweather picks his punches beautifully Pacman will be non stop himself. Wouldn't be surprised if Hatton was stopped late but more likely a UD by 2-4 points.
http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/jr_featherweight/
There's the rings ratings at super-bantam, they have Dunne as 8th in his division with Vazquez as the champ. AFS - you're right, Caballero unified 3 of the titles I think so WBA promoted him to super-champion which allowed Cordoba to win the vacant title, then Dunne beat him. A complete joke really but it hasn;t been mentioned much as everyone wants to build up rather than knock down what Dunne has achieved.
As for Saturday, I'm confident Pacquiao will outclass Hatton and I have a feeling he'll knock him out.
Quote from: ludermor on April 28, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
Anyone going to the Odessey on the 15th for the Rogan fight. The 'Western Warrior' Henry Coyle is fighting on the undercard bringing a good gang of mayo supporters to belfast.
Coyle is a pretty decent boxer from the limited viewing of him, are they expecting a capacity crowd in Belfast for this ?
Manny Pacquiao defies pain by sticking to his guns
Ron Lewis, Las Vegas
Behind the engaging smile of Manny Pacquiao is a man of steely courage. Becoming the best boxer in the world was not something that came easily, because Pacquiao had to work his way up from poverty on the streets of the Philippines and there was plenty of pain and struggle on the way. In fact, pain is something he has learnt to put himself through on a regular basis.
Pacquiao uses his training sessions not just as ways of getting fit and working on his skills and strategy — he uses them as opportunities to endure pain. The more pain he endures in training, he reasons, the less he will feel it in the ring against Ricky Hatton here on Saturday night.
One method that Pacquiao uses to toughen up is being hit by martial arts sticks. In Thailand, kick boxers use them to harden their forearms and shins, but Pacquiao uses them on his torso. "It's a Thai method of deadening the nerves to take away pain," Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's trainer, said. "You're supposed to get used to it [the pain]. They are just pieces of wood. I don't hit him because I don't believe in it, but he likes it. One of my guys who learnt it in Thailand does it. It goes on for 20 minutes every other day, on the arms, but mostly the stomach."
As Pacquiao — who won his first world title at flyweight (8st) but who will face Hatton at light-welterweight (10st) — has moved up the weight divisions, he has had to answer more and more questions about whether he can take punches from bigger boxers. He leaves little to chance.
"Manny got knocked out by a body shot once at 112lb [flyweight]," Roach said. "Since that happened, he works so hard on his body, he makes sure that will never happen again. During sparring, he will put himself on the ropes, lift his arms up and say to the guys, 'Go to work', and just let those guys fire off at him. We also do two sets of sit-ups a day, that's over a thousand motions."
The confidence surrounding the 30-year-old Pacquiao remains ominous and that has been reflected in the betting here, where the Filipino has been backed down to odds-on that he will beat Hatton inside the distance.
"I'm a believer that speed kills," Bob Arum, Pacquiao's veteran promoter, said. "I've never seen such a mixture of speed and explosive punching power that Manny has. I think that carries him to victory. The sparring partners he had were top professionals and they couldn't handle them. Manny just beat the s*** out of them. Ricky Hatton says he's fast and he is, but his speed is just on a different level to Pacquiao."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/boxing/article6194088.ece
Can't understand him fighting Marquez
any one staying up to watch it?
Looking forward to it! cans are in the fridge cooling as i type :)
Pacman in 10!
Think Hatton can do it. Manny could well be hit tonight harder than ever before given Hatton's size (De La Hoya never really caught him). Hasnt Manny already been stopped twice before at lower weights?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 02, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
Think Hatton can do it. Manny could well be hit tonight harder than ever before given Hatton's size (De La Hoya never really caught him). Hasnt Manny already been stopped twice before at lower weights?
Maybe when he was a lot younger? Think he's been a pro since about 15.
Latest odds:
Pacquiao - 1/2
Hatton - 13/8
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 02, 2009, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 02, 2009, 09:32:19 PM
Looking forward to it! cans are in the fridge cooling as i type :)
Pacman in 10!
Alright for you carmen, you dont have to get up at a ridiculous time to watch it, wouldnt be that way if you where in Carrickmore ;D
Your usually a good man for the streams? Any links otherwise ill have to pay for it on Sky Box Office (thats HBO to you ;D)
take a look here around fight time!
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=37803&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=37803&part=sports)
This is pretty decent as well so far anyway
http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub
Quote from: Square Ball on May 02, 2009, 09:02:34 PM
any one staying up to watch it?
Think il try stay up for it, but feeling it already!
Over in 2! Hatton outclassed big time. Pac-man too fast and good for him!
Stayed up for nothin! :-\
Pacquaio destroyed him, clean destroyed him. That K.O. was as clinical a shot as you will ever see in your life
Mayweather is the only show in town now for Pacman
That was a brilliant knockout, some performance from Manny. In a completely different league to Ricky, just hope hes ok cos he was out cold!! :(
One of the best K.O's i've seen. Came from nowhere and knocked his lights out. Think this is Hatton's career over. You gave us great enjoyment over the years but came up against better men in Mayweather and Pacquiao and can't go any higher I'm afraid.
Can't argue with Pacman's class. Himself and Mayweather will be the biggest fight of this generation if it happens
Now that Mayweather is back, him and Pacquiao will be an unbelievable fight. Pacquaio is without a doubt best fighter I have seen and won't bother him moving up to 147lbs to take on Mayweather.
Juan Manuel Marquez might argue about Manny being number one - you could make good argument for him winning both their fights. I think Floyd beats both of them however. Speed was key for Pacquiao last night, Hatton just couldn't get out of the way. Mayweather will be too big for JMM I think. If he does then fight Manny then you are talking about two guys with electric speed. I wouldn't read too much into their respective fights against Hatton and DLH, Mayweather got their first on both accounts, and whilst not as spectacular, gave boxing clinics. Assuming he hasn't lost anything in 18 months out of the ring (he may be slightly rusty but always kept in tip top shape), then I'd have him as favourite against Pacquiao - great bigger man against great smaller man - no other reason.
Mayweather vs Cotto is one to get the mouth watering as well. I think Floyd will be keen for this, as if he beats JMM and Pacquiao people will still say, "sure they were stepping up in wieght".
Time for ricky to retire.Should have one last fight in front of a sell out crowd in manchester has a farewell but unfortunately he has proven twice that when put into the ring with the very best hes just not good enough.Nothing left for ricky to fight for. he has shown that he can be a world champ and knock boys out for fun in the light-welterweight division but outside that he just aint good enough to beat the very best.
Pacman -mayweather would be the dream fight now.think pacman has the speed and power to take mayweathers 0, providing that mayweather wins on july 18 against Marquez.
Quote from: CiKe on May 03, 2009, 10:50:55 AM
then I'd have him as favourite against Pacquiao - great bigger man against great smaller man - no other reason.
Id make Pacquiao favourite, hes in peak form and destroyed his last two opponents who wre both bigger than him.
He destroyed them alright but DLH didn't present a moving target and Hatton has never been hard to hit. Mayweathers dancing shoes will prove trickier. I think Mayweather would be favourite but I wouldn't be putting any money on it
That was a long wait for 6 minutes of action this morning. Not a lot you can say really - Pacquaio was just far too good. 3 or 4 beautiful punches.
are there any highlights of the fight about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxfHWTETT_o
That was some punch, Packman and Mayweather will be a great one.
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 03, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Time for ricky to retire.Should have one last fight in front of a sell out crowd in manchester has a farewell but unfortunately he has proven twice that when put into the ring with the very best hes just not good enough.Nothing left for ricky to fight for. he has shown that he can be a world champ and knock boys out for fun in the light-welterweight division but outside that he just aint good enough to beat the very best.
Pacman -mayweather would be the dream fight now.think pacman has the speed and power to take mayweathers 0, providing that mayweather wins on july 18 against Marquez.
Quote from: CiKe on May 03, 2009, 10:50:55 AM
then I'd have him as favourite against Pacquiao - great bigger man against great smaller man - no other reason.
Id make Pacquiao favourite, hes in peak form and destroyed his last two opponents who wre both bigger than him.
I would still fancy Mayweather providing he comes back in good shape which he probably will. Pacquiao is not particularly elusive. Even Hatton caught him a couple of times last night. Mayweather is just so fast and so slick that hitting him is like trying to drink soup with a fork. That said Pacman would still have a real chance.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 03, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
I would still fancy Mayweather providing he comes back in good shape which he probably will. Pacquiao is not particularly elusive. Even Hatton caught him a couple of times last night. Mayweather is just so fast and so slick that hitting him is like trying to drink soup with a fork. That said Pacman would still have a real chance.
It be interesting to see the speed of mayweather vs the speed of Pacquiao. On paper looking at their records you would say its a dream fight but the quick and counter attacking styles of both boxers mightn gel and the fight may become very tactical with both boxers waiting on the other to make the first move.
Id agree that Pacquiao isnt elusive but neither is mayweather, De la Hoya caught him on consistently with the Jab when they fought. i think last night Pacquiaos tactic was to show hatton a few openings, encouraging him to throw punch after punch and to revert back to his old raging bull style and then Pacquiao would just simply pick him off.
I expected Hatton to be KO'd but shocked that it happened so early. He should be disappointed with himself, he failed to learn from previous mistakes and I can't imagine Mayweather sr et al told him to go out and fight the way he did.
I hope PBF beats Marquez to make the Pacman-Mayweather fight happen. Marquez is a great boxer too but I think the step-up in weight to fight PBF will be too much for him. Pacquaio-Mayweather would be a mouthwatering prospect, easily the biggest fight in boxing in at least a decade.
DaUmpire, not sure what fight you were watching between DLH and Mayweather but GalwayBayBoy is right, Mayweather is about as elusive as they come. In some respects he is like James Toney in the way that he rolls the shoulders and takes a lot of shots on the arms, shoulders and gloves. Toney however tended to do that as he stood right in front of someone, whereas Mayweather tends to be constantly on his toes with great lateral movement - he very very rarely gets hit cleanly. When Pacman-Mayweather does happen, it will be Manny's constant power punches against Mayweather tending to pick his punches. If it goes to the judges then Pacman's all action constant motion style could swing it (I still don't see how one of the judges could score the DLH fight in favour of Oscar despite him being the busier fighter...) - I think Floyd will know exactly what he has to do it. Unless he is clearly picking Pacquiao off, he may have to KO him rather than let it go to the judges. As I said before, I think JMM can make things difficult for Floyd on his comeback but ultimately lacks the power/strength to stop Mayweather, whereas Manny will bring Floyd into the trenches like he has never experienced before
CiKe, i was watchn the fight were De La Hoya was the aggressor throughout and he managed to get through Mayweather's defenses in the early rounds, Mayweather moved away and counterpunched without great effect. Mayweather has a great defence but i think if pacquiao and mayweather fight, pacquiao will prove he isnt as elusive as previously thought. Would agree that unless mayweather is landing clean, tidy and effective punches then he will have to KO pacquiao. If it goes to the judges, pacmans aggression and hard work will see him score well.
Goes to show - you can put fodder in front of a man for so long but it'll harm them in the long run. Happened to Nasem, Khan, Hatton...though maybe without fighting dummies they wouldn't get where they did.
Who was the last class British/Irish fighter? Lewis doesn't count.
Quote from: ONeill on May 03, 2009, 11:18:09 PM
Goes to show - you can put fodder in front of a man for so long but it'll harm them in the long run. Happened to Nasem, Khan, Hatton...though maybe without fighting dummies they wouldn't get where they did.
Who was the last class British/Irish fighter? Lewis doesn't count.
Not sure its really fair to say Hatton's been fighting dummies. Former undisputed light-Welterweight champion and a Welterweight world champions as well. Ok he was found a bit short at the very very highest level but still a class fighter surely.
I cannot really equate Hatton and class.
Hard as nails determination to die for but always thought he was as wooden as any fighter at that level. But also thought the same about McGuigan.
QuoteBut also thought the same about McGuigan
Well that shows that really you shouldn't comment on something you don't know anything about!
McGuigan was all pressure. He'd drive forward mixing head and body blows but was always predictable although his ferocity and guts made it difficult to anything about him. Wooden not the word but not what you'd call a stylish boxer. You disagree? You must be another annoyed rugby head.
Great work.
there is no denying Hatton's ability at this level. The fact of the matter is that Manny is a different class of fighter. His training is top drawer stuff, his determination and unbreakable spirit is commendable and to top it all he is a humble and very likable little guy.
FMW does have that same lightning speed but he does not have the same power. He may be able to frustrate Manny but in the end I do see him getting caught and stopped for the first time.
QuoteMcGuigan was all pressure. He'd drive forward mixing head and body blows but was always predictable although his ferocity and guts made it difficult to anything about him. Wooden not the word but not what you'd call a stylish boxer. You disagree? You must be another annoyed rugby head.
Completely disagree. To describe McGuigan as not stylish is a joke and shows you haven't a clue about the game. I was in the stadium when the great Lazlo Papp came in to the ring and raised his hand as a 17 year old and described him as a great boxer and future champion and he was proved correct in his assessment. So think I'd take his opinion more seriously than yours.
Not an annoyed rugby head either just someone who knows what he's talking about and who knows a bullshitter when he sees one.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 03, 2009, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 03, 2009, 11:18:09 PM
Goes to show - you can put fodder in front of a man for so long but it'll harm them in the long run. Happened to Nasem, Khan, Hatton...though maybe without fighting dummies they wouldn't get where they did.
Who was the last class British/Irish fighter? Lewis doesn't count.
Not sure its really fair to say Hatton's been fighting dummies. Former undisputed light-Welterweight champion and a Welterweight world champions as well. Ok he was found a bit short at the very very highest level but still a class fighter surely.
Hatton was a very good fighter. His two losses have been against probably two fighters who were considered the pound for pound best in the world when he fought them so no shame in losing to genuine class like that. He's just short of their level but he's had a great career and has always looked to fight to best.
Quote from: ONeill on May 03, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
I cannot really equate Hatton and class.
Hard as nails determination to die for but always thought he was as wooden as any fighter at that level. But also thought the same about McGuigan.
Define what you mean by class.
I think your getting stylish and class mixed up.Hatton mightn be the most stylish boxer, you could see that particularly agaisnt pacquiao and mayweather but to say he isnt a class boxer is a joke.Hes a 2 weight world champion,not every average boxer can do that.Hattons a world class boxer but just not on the same level as mayweather and pacquiao.
Quote from: Declan on May 04, 2009, 01:51:01 PM
QuoteMcGuigan was all pressure. He'd drive forward mixing head and body blows but was always predictable although his ferocity and guts made it difficult to anything about him. Wooden not the word but not what you'd call a stylish boxer. You disagree? You must be another annoyed rugby head.
Completely disagree. To describe McGuigan as not stylish is a joke and shows you haven't a clue about the game.
Jaysus lad it's not a game. What gave you that idea for the love of God? You shouldn't resort to personal abuse too young man. It suggests you are a little insecure but that can be a cute thing too.
I see you still haven't really attempted to desribe why you think McGuigan was a stylish boxer. But keep it up anyways.
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 04, 2009, 03:21:15 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 03, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
I cannot really equate Hatton and class.
Hard as nails determination to die for but always thought he was as wooden as any fighter at that level. But also thought the same about McGuigan.
Define what you mean by class.
I think your getting stylish and class mixed up.Hatton mightn be the most stylish boxer, you could see that particularly agaisnt pacquiao and mayweather but to say he isnt a class boxer is a joke.Hes a 2 weight world champion,not every average boxer can do that.Hattons a world class boxer but just not on the same level as mayweather and pacquiao.
That's where i'd have a different opinion. You can say he's World Class in terms of the era he fought/fights in (Eubank was also a double champ/hefty no. of defences but world class?). He beat most of what was left in his divisions. However, true world class is what you saw in Mayweather and Pac. They can stand up in the annals of World Class fighters. A world class fighter is not pummelled in 2 rounds, after being mullered by Floyd. Hatton has limitations.
QuoteJaysus lad it's not a game. What gave you that idea for the love of God? You shouldn't resort to personal abuse too young man. It suggests you are a little insecure but that can be a cute thing too.
I see you still haven't really attempted to desribe why you think McGuigan was a stylish boxer. But keep it up anyways.
Game in the parlance of describing boxing as a sport. Personal abuse - take a look back at your post describing me as an annoyed rugby head before admonishing me though being called a young man is something I take as a compliment!! I haven't been called in a good few years.
In terms of the debate re McGuigan I said that I valued a triple gold medal Olympic winner's opinion of his "style" and boxing ability over yours. The fact that I saw him demolish a European champion when he was just 17,followed his career closely over the years and I might even know something about the sweet science means I'm very secure in myself and my opinions.
A world class fighter is not pummelled in 2 rounds, after being mullered by Floyd. Hatton has limitations.
Every boxer has their limitations,even the best,you could write a list of who you think are world class boxers and every single one of them would have limitations,some more than others.
Id agree 100% that in order to consider a boxer to be one of the best and a world class talent then you have to compare them to great boxers of the best. IMO when i compare hatton to the best i believe hes a world class fighter.
The big difference between Hatton and Eubank/Hamed/Calzaghe was that Hatton fought for proper world titles, never hid. The other 3 all hid behind the WBO title, which meant many easy defences. The odd time they'd unify when the right fighter/money came along, but then they'd always ditch the WBC/WBA/IBF version because there'd be too many strict conditions on who they could defend against. This strategy helped Eubank and Hamed become very wealthy, but IMO prevented Calzaghe attaining the legendary status he had the ability of attaining.
Hatton's an excellent fighter. For in and around his weight category, he's probably the best European of his generation. Fabulous wins in particular against Tzsyu and Castillo - two excellent fighters. But P4P the best in the world? No. He's clearly not up to the level of Mayweather and Pacman.
Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Hows this relevant?thought this was a boxing thread.
Like i said earlier,think your getting stylish and class mixed up
Quote from: Hound on May 04, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Hatton's an excellent fighter. For in and around his weight category, he's probably the best European of his generation. Fabulous wins in particular against Tzsyu and Castillo - two excellent fighters. But P4P the best in the world? No. He's clearly not up to the level of Mayweather and Pacman.
Tzsyu was ageing, had hardly fought in a few years and had serious surgery a few times before it. Hatton wouldn't have counted against him in his prime. I think Tzsyu also struggled to make the weight.
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 04, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Hows this relevant?thought this was a boxing thread.
Like i said earlier,think your getting stylish and class mixed up
Refering to a poster basing their opinion on someone by what another boxer said.
A boxer can be labelled as world class because he's the best in the world at a time of mediocrity but to the discerning eye doesn't deserve that title when being compared to the top of the tree. Being a stylish boxer is a different matter completely and cannot be sugar-coated.
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 04, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
Yea, and Pele said Beckham was the best player in the world a few years back whilst in England.
McGuigan was a good fighter, brave as any fighter to come out of here. But he defeated a tiring champion and only defended it twice I think. He also strategically avoided Nelson. McGuigan a stylish boxer - no!
Hows this relevant?thought this was a boxing thread.
Like i said earlier,think your getting stylish and class mixed up
Refering to a poster basing their opinion on someone by what another boxer said.
A boxer can be labelled as world class because he's the best in the world at a time of mediocrity but to the discerning eye doesn't deserve that title when being compared to the top of the tree. Being a stylish boxer is a different matter completely and cannot be sugar-coated.
Apologies mustn have seen that comment,as i stated earlier i believe hatton is a world class boxer after i compare him to the best of the past and present.
Think you believe that a stylish boxer is a world class one whereas another boxer who mighnt be as pretty to watch isnt even though he may have just as good a record.
Hatton v Pacman on Sky Sports 1 now for anyone hasnt seen it, be quick though..........
Met Hatton on Monday night in Vegas - him and his entourage were out on the town and to be fair to him he was happy enough to have photos taken with those who actually recognised him - was in an Irish bar of all places too!
Anyone for the Odyssey on Friday night for Rogans's fight?
In 2 minds to go or not. Could be an expensive enough night. No sell out yet. Done a quick search on ticketmaster there and got 4 tickets at £44 and floor tickets at £155!
What time will the Rogan fight be tonight? Who is he fighting and does the visitor have much hope?
Programme on Sky Sports starts at 10pm and due to finish at 12. There is 3 or 4 undercard fights on before Rogan so can't see Sky showing them live. Rogan might be on around 10.30pm or 11pm im guessing.
Rogan is 1/6 to win but reckons he is the underdog ??? ???
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
Rogan is 1/6 to win but reckons he is the underdog ??? ???
He's an overweight taxi driver from the Springfield. He knows that.
Now living in salubrious Crunlin i believe.
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 09:36:17 PM
Less people offer ya a random digging match up there.
Met him in the Glenavy off licence shortly after the Harrison fight. Think he's actually living in Glenavy. McGeown's packed out tonight.
I saw him outside Fuscos beside Casement the other day filling his big face with an ice cream, i hope he hasnt been following that regime the whole time.
Met him outside The Codfather yesterday. He was eating a fish supper with his hands. Heard him say 'gwan in there an git me a nar one Squinter'.
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2009, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Especially with half of West Belfast there and the English contingent given all the English boxers fighting tonight.
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2009, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Is the fa'r and bro'r in law away to this tonight Minder?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2009, 09:55:59 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2009, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 09:40:50 PM
I'd say there'll be people acting out their own Rogie fight outside Dan Boyle's, The Fort and The Beehive around half 12. Probably be better viewing too.
I would say so, half of West Belfast is away to it. There will be more boxing outside the ring in the Odyssey than in it tonight i would say.
Is the fa'r and bro'r in law away to this tonight Minder?
Aye there is a squad of them away as most of them know the big hallion.
anyone know if i can get it on the radio or anything but sky cause am working and can't get home to see it
Come on! Come on! Help me out - no Sky .... :(
I take it those Brits won handy, all 1/200 shots.
http://www.justin.tv/vip_pub/popout
Better than my bloody sky, this degale is getting a proper belfast welcome.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 15, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Better than my bloody sky, this degale is getting a proper belfast welcome.
Are they booing him? He is a gobshite
big time, all over
Jaysus I coulda bate thon buck.
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 10:56:20 PM
DeGale is a dick.
He thinks he is f**king Sugar Ray Leonard.
seen a few rossa men in the crowd
Who the f**k is stevie rock?
Is that a f**king Mc Cooey Vanilla Ice?
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2009, 11:08:11 PM
Is that a f**king Mc Cooey Vanilla Ice?
Like Jim Dougals son, remember that buck eejit?
Glad you lads are in same boat. Thought I was old.
jim rock? dublin boxer used to do the door in thompsons
Is the belt a tribute to the bird from Hollyoaks who married Kian westlife?
Some atmosphere in fairness
You just know rogie wants to grab him by both ear lugs and sink the head into him.
Ronan Sexton has fast enough hands for a big lard.
He doesent look like a 1/6 shot
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 11:18:42 PM
The worst thing he can do is try and box, which he is trying to do so far.
He can't box. He can fight.
Exactly. Breen has told him he can think. No thinking Rogan. Just blunder into him.
hes f**king blowin leek
Watch Eamonn Magee doesent slip him a flick knife between rounds.......
Rossa crowd have turned on Rogan already, 'ye stupid feckin bollocks'
Has he any bairns?
Rogan could wear him down but wouldn't need to lose any more rounds in case it goes the distance.
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2009, 11:27:33 PM
Has he any bairns?
About half a dozen to various blades.
We need the crowd singing Ole Ole Ole Ole Ole again.
Tricky wee fcuker this.
Rogan 4/7 Sexton 5/4 with PP.
It's like going for a 1-0 win away from home. Ronan Sex is running and picking the odd punch.
'I want at im again'!
Don't turn it over!
Out of puff to finish him
Holy f**k, he will need to finish him soon with that eye.
Eye bad for Rogan. Needs to wade into him.
he's beat out of sight. no new taxi now
Hold on Rogie!
He may whistle for the brothers
cut me man cut me
Rogan still favourite on PP, they must be banking on a knockout.
To the point from Magee anyway
Time for the psychologist to earn his dough. He needs to imagine he's outside the Glenowen at 2am and the lad has took his taxi.
looks like they will throw in the hurl
I think Magee told him to get "bogged in to him"
f**king hell
Why didn't he knock him the fcuk out?
This is class
is he beat
What happened law of the jungle?
Sexton looks embarressed, and he should! Rogan to win the inevitable rematch.
Stupid big ****
Always tell the doctor it is two fingers!!
He was bating the dung out of him with one eye.
Too honest for his own good, but a great man all the same.
tell the doctor to f**k off. lack of big fight experience
Was it a punch that caused the swelling?
Gutted for Rogan, too nice for his own good really. One more punch then and Sexton was away.
Can you imagine Tyson having someone at his mercy like that? He would have chewed his balls off.
Did he stop because yer man had no gumshield or he thought the ref should stop it?
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
Seamus Rea would have toul him to play on.
As would have the Norwegian ref.
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2009, 11:52:05 PM
Did he stop because yer man had no gumshield or he thought the ref should stop it?
I thought Sextons crowd had threw the towel in.
He was def looking at the ref to stop it, one more slap and that was it. There has to be a re-match after that. He is a hardy hoor that Rogie,
Rogie looks about 55
stayed off the drink and gambling tonight to!!!! looks like i'll have the drugs tonight (where is my harsh angel)
Quote from: milltown row on May 15, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
stayed off the drink and gambling tonight to!!!! looks like i'll have the drugs tonight (where is my harsh angel)
Obviously you're drunk already.
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2009, 11:56:36 PM
Quote from: milltown row on May 15, 2009, 11:55:19 PM
stayed off the drink and gambling tonight to!!!! looks like i'll have the drugs tonight (where is my harsh angel)
Obviously you're drunk already.
aye two drinks and i've spent the months rent on loose women and rogie
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2009, 11:56:25 PM
I'm really disappointed.
He'll bate him next time, but you'd fear for Rogan against someone good. He'd stand there and take the blattering.
Any interviews? The stream cut.
he did look real nervous before the fight, fav didn't sit well with him.
seen my old club mate McCafferty ring side. good lad
Unlucky for Rogan. Too nice for his own good. Lack of big fight experience showed, one more punch would have finished it. Sexton didn't know where he was at at all and wanted it over. I think his gum shield was on the ground but the ref told them to go on ahead, then he stopped later for the gum shield.
Aye Rogan is better as the underdog, he is better when he can get the knees and elbows digging.
What about Henry Coyle - did he win?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 16, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
No got the dung beat out of him by Neil Sinclair in a very impressive display it must be said by Sinclair. Think it was stopped in the 3rd.
Frig. Watched him spar last week and thought he looked the business. Sean Grahams wouldn't take a bet on it - just as well, I was going to do a double with Rogan.
Very strange fight. Why didn't Rogan just punch him when he was out on his feet? I'd say a strong gust of wind would have knocked Sexton over at that stage. He was on queer street. The ref really came to his aid around then. Gave Sexton a break to put his gumshield back in. Probably spat out on purpose.
Still I'm sure there will be an immediate rematch.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 16, 2009, 01:45:39 AM
Quote from: Donagh on May 16, 2009, 01:29:08 AM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 16, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
No got the dung beat out of him by Neil Sinclair in a very impressive display it must be said by Sinclair. Think it was stopped in the 3rd.
Frig. Watched him spar last week and thought he looked the business. Sean Grahams wouldn't take a bet on it - just as well, I was going to do a double with Rogan.
Where is Neil Sincliar from? belfast is it/ If so what part? You fimiliar with him Donagh?
Why don't you come out and ask if he is a prod or not? ;)
I remember seeing the programme about Breen a while back and Sinclair was in it. Was big things expected of him a few years back but a few defeats set him back.
think Neill is from Ballysillan rd area
Did Kevin "sweet pea" O'Hara win on that card last night?
Quote from: Minder on May 16, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Did Kevin "sweet pea" O'Hara win on that card last night?
Yes, he won on points, comfortable enough
Quote from: Donagh on May 16, 2009, 01:29:08 AM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 16, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
No got the dung beat out of him by Neil Sinclair in a very impressive display it must be said by Sinclair. Think it was stopped in the 3rd.
Frig. Watched him spar last week and thought he looked the business. Sean Grahams wouldn't take a bet on it - just as well, I was going to do a double with Rogan.
Henry had to lose a ridiculous amount of weight in the 2 weeks leading up to the fight and was fucked before it. If he carries on he needs to move up a weight where he is more comfortable. I was staying the Malone lodge and all Warrens boxers were there and the ringgirls.
Frankie Gavin got some reception compared to the other two english lads. There was some amount of scrapping in the crowd as well!
the girls were only there in the evening, they must have hit the town after as there was no sign of them after the fight ( or maybe they went to bed early but i doubt it)! They had a few drinks on them beforehand. The tall blonde one was some bit of gear, i thought she would fall out of that top a few times!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8072308.stm
http://www.folkpark.com/whats_on/exhibitions/?article=1520
Looks like a great exhibition, runs until November so you have plenty of time people.
Fighting Irishmen: Celebrating Celtic Prizefighters 1820 to Present
29 May 2009 until 29 November 2009
'Fighting Irishmen' tells the story of Irish emigration through the sport of boxing. It is an eclectic collection of boxing related objects including robes, gloves, boxing bags, prints, photographs, paintings, films and other items. This exhibition offers a unique glimpse at the role prizefighting played in the history of Irish America.
In addition to names like John L. Sullivan, 'Gentleman' Jim Corbett, James 'Cinderella Man' Braddock, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Billy Conn and Gerry Cooney, the exhibition includes material on Muhammed Ali, who has Irish ancestry.
Irish actor Liam Neeson, himself a former fighter and Honorary Chair of the exhibition has stated; "Watching two great fighters, evenly matched, is, for me, one of the great visual poems you will ever see." There are selected memorabilia from Neeson's own boxing days on display in the exhibition. The story of Irish American boxing is also the story of Irish America itself. Back in earlier decades, as the Irish sought to find their feet, boxing was often a quick passport to a better life for those who had a talent for it. The Fighting Irishmen exhibition was organized by the Irish Arts Center in New York City under the direction of guest curator James J. Houlihan. Located in the heart of Manhattan's historic 'Hell's Kitchen' neighborhood, the Irish Arts Center is the pre-eminent organisation devoted to the promotion of Irish arts and culture in the United States. This exhibition has been supported, in part, by the New York State Council on the Arts, a public agency.
For more information on this exhibition visit:
Irish Arts Centre website, Fighting Irishmen
Wrong decision imo.
Dont know if it was the wrong decision could have went either way. Cotto dug deep despite the nasty cut, he was well on course up to that. Clottey didnt take advantage of the cut although he had a leg injury aswell. Cotto couldnt see the rights coming but Clottey failed to work on it, and what was he at in the last?? he hardly hit Cotto once which probably won it for Miguel.
How one of the refs scored it 116 -111 is beyond me ???
Carl Frampton won his first pro fight in Liverpool on Friday night. fighting for Barry McGuigan now. great lad with great ability i hope he goes far
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/0620/ireland.html
Magnificent achievement by the boxing team/association. The IOC should have a look at the blueprint the IABA took and see where they can replicate it.
Congratulations to Katie Taylor who won her second European Union title in a row recently. Again she defeated a boxer from the host nation in the final. This was her 35th win in a row which is remarkable for a 22 year old. Hopefully they will get the womens boxing to the Olympics in 2012 so she can win Gold and get the world wide credit her performances deserve.
Disappointed that Paul McCloskey is out of his fight with Soulymane M'Baye on Friday night because of a hand injury. Would have been a great test for Paul, one which I think he would have won, hopefully he gets another chance soon. He is a great talent but at 29 needs to be getting big fights now.
Would anyone out there know of any training methods for boxing or have any contact details of anyone that i could get in contact with for a bita training? Doing a charity fight and would say i could be with a bita training for it! ;)
Any help at all would be grateful and thanks in advance!
These guys might be able to help
http://www.whitecollarboxing.ie/ (http://www.whitecollarboxing.ie/)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8130443.stm
Someone is going to have to pay for this once his Chair-ill gets involved.
Quote from: downtown on June 30, 2009, 10:40:00 PM
Would anyone out there know of any training methods for boxing or have any contact details of anyone that i could get in contact with for a bita training? Doing a charity fight and would say i could be with a bita training for it! ;)
Any help at all would be grateful and thanks in advance!
Where are you located? There are a lot of local clubs around that you can train with.
Get yourself a good pair of adidas boots and good hand raps and a good mouth guard for starters
Interesting concept here, sort of a bigger version of Prize Fighter that is on Sky Sports. A few boys could make names for themselves in here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8137757.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8137757.stm)
Froch signs for Super Six series
Carl Froch is to defend his WBC super-middlweight belt against Andre Dirrell in the first fight of a 'Super Six Boxing Classic' series of bouts.
Nottingham's Froch has signed up for the new concept along with Dirrell, Arthur Abraham, Jermain Taylor, Andre Ward and WBA champion Mikkel Kessler.
All six super-middleweight boxers have agreed to fight any - and possibly all - five other contestants.
Froch, 32, is set to fight Dirrell in his home city in October.
"The stars have truly aligned," said Ken Hershmann, the boss of American cable TV broadcaster Showtime Sports.
"It began as an intriguing concept, and through a tremendous amount of hard work on everyone's part, we are going to pull off one of the most exciting events in boxing history.
"The 168lb division is the most talent-rich in boxing right now, and the Super Six structure will deliver one compelling match-up after another."
The six boxers involved have a combined tally of 161-4-1 with 117 knockouts, with Froch's record standing at 25-0 (20 KOs).
IBF middleweight champion Abraham (30-0, 24 KOs), of Germany will move up to challenge at 168lb.
United States Olympic bronze medallist Dirrell has a record of 18-0 (13 KOs), and Denmark's Kessler is 41-1 (31 KOs), his sole defeat coming against Joe Calzaghe.
Former undisputed middleweight world champion Jermain Taylor is 28-3-1 (17 KOs), and US Olympic gold medallist and number one-ranked contender Ward is 19-0 (12 KOs).
In the first phase of the event, each fighter will face three different opponents over the next 12 months in a points-based competition. A win is worth two points, a draw one, with no points for a loss.
The four leading points scorers advance to the semi-finals, with the top-ranked facing the fourth, and second facing third.
The winners will meet in early 2011 for the inaugural Super Six World Boxing Classic trophy.
As well as Froch v Dirrell, the first group stage will also feature Taylor v Abraham, and Kessler v Ward - the latter for Kessler's WBA title.
Froch successfully defended his WBC title against Taylor last April in Connecticut with a dramatic stoppage 14 seconds from the final bell.
good feed for the boxing
http://www.justin.tv/vip_boxing_4/popout
khan is getting a fight now
David Haye to fight WBA heavyweight champion Nikolai Valuev on November 7. Valuev is 23 stone and 7ft 2. Tall order for him giving away 7 stone and 9 inches.
Bit of trash talk between Rogan and Sexton yesterday, might go to this fight, was anyone at the last one, or is it better to watch on telly to avoid 6k drunken spides?
Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 31, 2009, 02:56:58 PM
Bit of trash talk between Rogan and Sexton yesterday, might go to this fight, was anyone at the last one, or is it better to watch on telly to avoid 6k drunken spides?
My father in law went and said he wouldn't go again, he said the view was shit and you would see more watching it on the tv in the house.
Quote from: Minder on July 31, 2009, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 31, 2009, 02:56:58 PM
Bit of trash talk between Rogan and Sexton yesterday, might go to this fight, was anyone at the last one, or is it better to watch on telly to avoid 6k drunken spides?
My father in law went and said he wouldn't go again, he said the view was shit and you would see more watching it on the tv in the house.
Thought that, bag of cans and roaring at the TV then for me.
Not a complete shocker that you get a better view on TV with the different camera angles than being there in the arena if your not in a premium seat.
Anyone watching Sky Sports News?
Breaking news that Irish boxer Darren Sutherland has been found dead at his home.
Seen on SS it is at 2am
Is this the actual fight or the time the programme starts at?
BTW, never drank my own p1ss before
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on September 16, 2009, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: full back on September 16, 2009, 10:35:12 AM
Seen on SS it is at 2am
Is this the actual fight or the time the programme starts at?
That would probably be the time the programme starts at FB, it will be on around 4-5 oclock in the morning our time!! Think its on Sky Box Office.
Quote from: full back on September 16, 2009, 10:35:12 AM
BTW, never drank my own p1ss before
Stop lying, it doesnt suit you!!
Na, its definitely on SS, not box office
Fcuk that, too late
Wouldnt consider the p1ss thing though
I haven't drank my own piss b4 but i've made others drink mine straight from the source :D
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on September 16, 2009, 10:54:27 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 16, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
I haven't drank my own piss b4 but i've made others drink mine straight from the source :D
:D :D :D
Expect nothing less from you ye boy ye!!!
Might be worth watching for you illdecide, arent you doing a bit of boxing traning at the moment for a fight?
Correct sir, i am. And to tell you the truth i'm not that confident as they guy i'm fighting it like Hulk Hogan and he can box but i'll give it a lash anyway and see how it goes
Quote from: illdecide on September 16, 2009, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on September 16, 2009, 10:54:27 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 16, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
I haven't drank my own piss b4 but i've made others drink mine straight from the source :D
:D :D :D
Expect nothing less from you ye boy ye!!!
Might be worth watching for you illdecide, arent you doing a bit of boxing traning at the moment for a fight?
Correct sir, i am. And to tell you the truth i'm not that confident as they guy i'm fighting it like Hulk Hogan and he can box but i'll give it a lash anyway and see how it goes
:D :D
Get the excuses in beforehand illdecide
Correct sir...i'll still knock him out no matter what size he is saan...I'm no Stan Laural myself ;) :D
The fight on Saturday night depends on how the time off has effected Mayweather. If he comes back to what he was before the break then I have no doubt he will beat Marquez well on points or with a late stoppage. Juan Diaz was able to out score Marquez in is last fight before Marquez knocked him out in 9th or 10th so if Diaz can out score him Floyd of old will destroy him. However if Floyd has lost a little bit during his lay off then Marquez def has the tools to beat him allow question mark over how he will find the weight. I'm taking Mayweather to win an unanimous points decision.
I hear Rogans 'injury' was very convenient for him as ticket sales have been slow with a lot of loyal Breen/Magee supporters staying away after Rogans recent antics.
Rogies new trainer is Paul McCullough. Think Rogie has 1 maybe 2 fights left in him at most so change of trainer will hardly have much effect to be honest. If you want to see the rematch Dirty you better get your ticket because you will not see it on TV as Paul McCloskey is fighting for the European title that night on Sky. Big opportunity for Paul and I hope he takes it to step up a level as allow he is a relative new comer he has not got time on his side and any defeat now would see his world title ambitions evaporate.
Whats Bulgaria like by the way was thinking of going for a week soon.
Just bagged meself a ticket to the Mayweather fight on Saturday. $300 for the ticket hope the seat is good!
What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 19, 2009, 10:29:46 PM
What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
What time does sky's coverage end? I would say the fight won't start until around 4am.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 19, 2009, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 19, 2009, 10:29:46 PM
What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
What time does sky's coverage end? I would say the fight won't start until around 4am.
Its down to last till 5am.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 19, 2009, 10:35:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 19, 2009, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 19, 2009, 10:29:46 PM
What time are people expecting the fight to start at tonight? Sky's coverage astarts at 2am - would I be safe enough setting the alarm for 3 30am? Don't want to sit up all night as I'm for Dublin in the morning.
What time does sky's coverage end? I would say the fight won't start until around 4am.
Its down to last till 5am.
Tacadoir - I'm in the same boat as you. Think I'll hit the hay shortly and get up at 3.30.
Who won?
Quote from: new devil on September 20, 2009, 05:58:05 AM
Who won?
If you can't tell from the post above you don't deserve to be told.
didnt read the post above so f**k off you tosser
Quote from: new devil on September 20, 2009, 09:34:39 AM
didnt read the post above so f**k off you t**ser
You come in looking to know who won and don't think to read the post above at 5am? Smart, real smart. Nice personal abuse too, expect a ban to come your way big lad.
You tell him Madge. It's not hard to read that post to see who won. Never bothered staying up to watch it but sky +ed it so will watch later.
Thought the interview was at least as entertaining as the fight. Very very one sided. Going to bed and getting up again is defintely the way to go for these last night fights though.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on September 20, 2009, 05:45:16 AM
The boy is back, classy display as ever from Mayweather, very one sided.
Thought he let Marquez go the distance.
Not a happy chappy in the proceeding interview
Who won? :D
Congratulations to Katie Taylor who won her fourth European Championship over the weekend winning 11-0 in the final and she never dropped a point in any of her three fights which is remarkable. Currently the greatest sportsperson we have in Ireland and one of the best of all time.
Mayweather to big and powerful for Marquez on Saturday night and think he would be to big for Manny as well. Mosley fight would be a better match-up but still think Mayweather will beat him. He is best pound for pound fighter no doubt, and best boxer I have seen live. Cant see anyone causing him to many problems in his weight division maybe Paul Williams but doubt it.
I was reading over weekend that Darren Sutherlands family has banned Frank Maloney and his trainer Brian Lawrence from the funeral over comments they made after his death. Very sad indeed.
hi there; not a boxin guru like most of yous on here, but like watching the odd bout;
can i just say i never saw as big a tw@t as thon interviewer after the fight; interrupted mayweather continually;
no great fan of mayweather the person, but was v glad when he gave yer man what for;
rant over (mayweather some boxer by the way)
who won? :)
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 21, 2009, 10:15:31 AM
hi there; not a boxin guru like most of yous on here, but like watching the odd bout;
can i just say i never saw as big a tw@t as thon interviewer after the fight; interrupted mayweather continually;
no great fan of mayweather the person, but was v glad when he gave yer man what for;
rant over (mayweather some boxer by the way)
who won? :)
Totally agree. An absolute knob. Floyd should've decked the smarmy git.
Didnt think size had too much affect on the result. Mayweather's speed and accuracy were the difference.
Don't really watch a whole lot of boxing but enjoyed Mayweather the other night. He really has incredible speed and I've never seen someone as elusive. Made a really top class fighter look ordinary.
Paul McCloskey will be fitting in Magherafelt on Nov 6th according to Derry Post.
Quality!
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on September 22, 2009, 05:04:12 PM
Paul McCloskey will be fitting in Magherafelt on Nov 6th according to Derry Post.
Quality!
What is he "fitting", a kitchen?
Quote from: Minder on September 22, 2009, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: High Wide and Handsome on September 22, 2009, 05:04:12 PM
Paul McCloskey will be fitting in Magherafelt on Nov 6th according to Derry Post.
Quality!
What is he "fitting", a kitchen?
;D ;D
very good. slight typing error there,
FIGHTING
Is Bernard Dunne up against it tonight? His opponent is evens - surely a good bet?
they very highly of him over here in Thailand and think he will be too quick and accurate for Dunne. They think is nothing but heart and that isn;t enough against Poon.
What times the fight? I know coverage starts at 9.30 but when is the fight itself?
Jimmy Magee on tyson fury: "...and he's white and that's important... ...that's not racist believe me."
:D :D
Quote from: whiskeysteve on September 26, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Jimmy Magee on tyson fury: "...and he's white and that's important... ...that's not racist believe me."
:D :D
:D Not racist at all.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on September 26, 2009, 08:43:01 PM
What times the fight? I know coverage starts at 9.30 but when is the fight itself?
His last fight didn't start to around 11pm so assuming will be the same again this time.
Tyson Furey is some boy. English accent? Was fearing seeing his arse.
What time is Bornard on at?
Is that Dave "counterfeit" Boy Mc Auley with that wee w**ker Jimmy Magee?
"deliver the milk and het to the next house" - good man jimmy.
What happened there?
Quote from: Minder on September 26, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 26, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
What happened there?
He got his bollocks knocked in
I flicked over to match of the day and turned back over and the fight is all over. Just seen the first punch there now and it was a hell of a punch.
Jimmy Magee is devastated.
Sad to see. Great first 2 rounds and couldn't recover after 1st knockdown.
Cracking left hook to start it off. Dunne never saw it coming. A tonne at evs - buying money! ;D
Bernard is a better challenger than champion.
thought his corner maybe should have threw in the towel just before the third knock down, he looked like he didn't know where he was at that point. he didn't look well at all when he was eventually counted out. seems to be ok now.
Not sure I could have listened to Jimmy Magee for 12 rds
Some co-commentator is Dave Boy. About the only one watching who didn t see the first punch
Simply not, and never was, world class.
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on September 26, 2009, 11:22:49 PM
Devastating to see, though he looked good in the first round. What age is Dunne?
29.
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:33:27 PM
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 27, 2009, 03:47:49 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:33:27 PM
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
How did Stevie Haughian do?
edit to say its ok, Paddy Power have results up, anyone know how the Haughian fight went apart from the result?
QuoteBernard Dunne v Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
Result: Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
Tyson Fury v Tomas Mrazek
Result: Tyson Fury
Jamie Power v Michael Sweeney
Result: Michael Sweeney
Stephen Haughian v Albert Starikov
Result: Draw
Patrick Hyland v David Kiilu
Result: Patrick Hyland
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:33:27 PM
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
Poonsawat does look good, but if he is to be the true no1 in the super-bantamweight division, he has some extremely tough opposition such as Vazquez, Marquez, Caballero and Juan Manuel Lopez. Bernard Dunne is not at that level and has done exceptionally well to even gain a portion of the WBA title (Caballero is the "super" champion").
I couldn't believe how Dave McAuley couldn't see that first punch, that was the finisher, as Dunne looked fecked after that, he actually did well to last a bit longer. Dunne said he shouldn't have got drawn into Poonsawat's fight but he had no choice, he was being walked down, he didn't have enough power to keep him off. He'll struggle to come back from this, but he has done exceptionally well to get where he was, no Irish fighter since Steve Collins has been at this level.
Disapointing result last night.
Question for yee, i know what glass jaw means and all that, but why can some fellas take hits and others not? Just doesnt make any sense to me as bone structure and human frailities are all the same? Look at khan everyone said he a glass after getting KOd and then he comes back better and able to take hits....
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Disapointing result last night.
Question for yee, i know what glass jaw means and all that, but why can some fellas take hits and others not? Just doesnt make any sense to me as bone structure and human frailities are all the same? Look at khan everyone said he a glass after getting KOd and then he comes back better and able to take hits....
You either have it or you don't.
Khan has come back smarter and his defence has improved, but if he gets hit like he did against Prescott again then he'd get ko'd.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:33:27 PM
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
If Bernard was struggled to make the weight then he's in even bigger trouble than he was last night. He wouldn't have a chance against any of the top featherweights like Chris John or de Leon.
You've seen him in one fight and declare him as one of the best you've ever seen? Bold statement.
He was good but you really only seen about 3 mins of him really boxing in the fight....Dunne is average to say the best about him. The only reason he beat Cordoba was because it was in the o2 the same day as Ireland won the grand slam with a big passionate home crowd. Cordoba had him on his arse twice and should have finished it off.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 27, 2009, 09:54:30 AM
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:33:27 PM
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
If Bernard was struggled to make the weight then he's in even bigger trouble than he was last night. He wouldn't have a chance against any of the top featherweights like Chris John or de Leon.
You've seen him in one fight and declare him as one of the best you've ever seen? Bold statement.
I've seen him in 3 fights- they are all online- readily available for anyone to see. Marquez and Co won't be queueing up to fight this guy. Some of them have avoided him. He has incredible punching power for an 8st 9lbs fighter.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 27, 2009, 03:47:49 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on September 26, 2009, 11:33:27 PM
Dunne is a very likeable character but he has a glass jaw and he's always liable to get caught like that against a class fighter.
Unfortunately yes. He's actually done very well to even win a world title with that chin of his. Realistically he has no KO power and any half decent dig is likely to send him to the canvas. Martinez clocked him, Poonswat clocked him and Cordoba decked him more than once. No punch resistance at all and if you have no punch power you better be able to take a shot.
Still was a world champion and no-one can take that away from him. Looks like he struggled to make the weight to me. Knew from watching the 2 fighters walk into the ring he was up against it. The muscle definition on the Thai boxer was a different level. Bernard looks too skinny- really should be a featherweight- struggling to make weights blunts your power- and he hasn't a huge amount of that anyway.
Thai boxer is one of the best I've ever seen. 39 fights- 38 wins- 29 by knockout- you won't find a better record anywhere in the world
If Bernard was struggled to make the weight then he's in even bigger trouble than he was last night. He wouldn't have a chance against any of the top featherweights like Chris John or de Leon.
You've seen him in one fight and declare him as one of the best you've ever seen? Bold statement.
Hence the reason why he's a super bantamweight. I agree he wouldn't have a chance as a featherweight but nevertheless to me that looks like his proper weight. I was there last night and the difference between the 2 fighters in terms of pure muscle was incredible. Dunne nearly looked over-trained. The lower weight divisions in my view are the hardest of all. The Mexican's , latin americans, thai boxers all had to fight from a young age just to get breakfast in the morning. Transfer that to a boxing ring and there is only one winner in my view.
Dunne would need to beat the mandatory challenger in one of the divisions to get a shot again. 2 years at least- not sure he should put himself through that again. Corboda was 2 rounds up when Dunne knocked him out. People have tended to gloss over that.
I like Dunne and I don't wish to rein on his achievements but he was never really a proper world champion. He was the runner-up WBA champion after their ridiculous policy of promoting Caballero to "super-champion" involving him vacating the belt. Super-bantam is the best division there is at the moment, and Dunne would probably just about be in the top 10 fighters in it. He never had a hope in hells chance of beating the Thai.
Quote from: Gaffer on September 26, 2009, 11:21:58 PM
Some co-commentator is Dave Boy. About the only one watching who didn t see the first punch
Dave Boy's an awful shite analyst.
Agree totally. Dave Boy didn't see the first two punches that floored Dunne. What were RTE paying him for? The silence from Magee etc after he hit the canvas was deafening. Outclassed totally - and now Peters is talking about a comeback! Brian - that cash cow has been milked! Retire with what dignity please. Please don't think that Tyson Fury will pack out the O2 . The game is up!
Quote from: hardstation on September 27, 2009, 11:44:35 PM
"I didn't see a punch there". What fight was he watching? The digs were as clear as day. I think he thought yer man was using the head as he commented on how close yer boy's head was to Dunne's.
Here's another one for you boxing heads......"Dunne is a far better boxer than yer boy but got dragged into a fight". I thought yer man was the better boxer. Picked his punches well and when he hit, he hurt Dunne.
I don't think Dunne is as good as he has been made out to be.
Nobody ever said he was that good. But he was still a world champion- most boxers never get that far. And regardless of what his detractors say-that can't be taken away from him.
Dunne outboxed him in the first round, but the Thai figured him out by the 2nd and looked clearly the better fighter.
Dunne is probably the best in Europe at his weight, so he is damn good. But not in the same class as the very top men in the world. He was a bit lucky to get his title shot, but when he did he had the guts and determination, along with some talent, to take it. And as Indiana said, nobody can ever take that away from him.
He's a good lad too, gave a very good speech there at the end. Good luck to him.
Katie Taylor got some reception when announced to the crowd before the fight. A standing ovation for about 5 minutes. Fantastic.
Gerry Ryan on the other hand got absolutely slaughtered. Hilarious!
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
Dunne just cannot take a punch of any force which in his line of business is pretty unfortunate. TBH fair fucks to him for going for the main challenger in the weight division though as most would have been happy to fight a few lower ranked fighters and pick up the cheque, in hindsight he should have done that too as he can not come back from this. Totally outclassed by a technically superior opponent.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
i think the reaction to his pounding is a bit over the top. he has a year or 2 left in him IF he wants it.
Its clear he doesnt have the stuff for the elite but there would be nothing wrong with a last fight or 2 against worthy opposition for some kind of title.
Poonsawat is in the top 3/4 of the strongest division in boxing, no other current irish boxer has come close to fighting at that level. dunne got destroyed, but by one of the very best
One last farewell pay day for bernard against a middling opponent would be no bad thing for him
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Quote from: Declan on September 28, 2009, 08:28:10 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
i think the reaction to his pounding is a bit over the top. he has a year or 2 left in him IF he wants it.
Its clear he doesnt have the stuff for the elite but there would be nothing wrong with a last fight or 2 against worthy opposition for some kind of title.
Poonsawat is in the top 3/4 of the strongest division in boxing, no other current irish boxer has come close to fighting at that level. dunne got destroyed, but by one of the very best
One last farewell pay day for bernard against a middling opponent would be no bad thing for him
Who would pay to watch that though? I think the Dunne brand is now well and truly done!
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0928/1224255368402.html)
Humphries thoughts on it - Fairly spot on
i think the reaction to his pounding is a bit over the top. he has a year or 2 left in him IF he wants it.
Its clear he doesnt have the stuff for the elite but there would be nothing wrong with a last fight or 2 against worthy opposition for some kind of title.
Poonsawat is in the top 3/4 of the strongest division in boxing, no other current irish boxer has come close to fighting at that level. dunne got destroyed, but by one of the very best
One last farewell pay day for bernard against a middling opponent would be no bad thing for him
Who would pay to watch that though? I think the Dunne brand is now well and truly done!
Sold as a farewell fight could get the fans out to some degree and fighting someone irish/british like rendall munroe could draw their fans as well. a good undercard would help (paul mccloskey?)
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2009, 07:36:57 AM
Dunne outboxed him in the first round
Don't think that's the case. I think he was quite happy to just walk through Dunne's jab in the first round to properly gauge his (lack of) power. He knew that once he got inside he had him and that Dunne's jab wasn't going to be enough to stop him.
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2009, 07:36:57 AM
Dunne is probably the best in Europe at his weight
I'd dispute that too. Rendall Munroe has beaten Martinez twice and I'd comfortably put money on him to take Dunne.
Gerry Ryan practically rode Dunne on air this morning. "He's lifted all our spirits in such times" or some other shite to similar effect.
Quote from: cville on September 27, 2009, 11:38:43 PM
Agree totally. Dave Boy didn't see the first two punches that floored Dunne. What were RTE paying him for? The silence from Magee etc after he hit the canvas was deafening. Outclassed totally - and now Peters is talking about a comeback! Brian - that cash cow has been milked! Retire with what dignity please. Please don't think that Tyson Fury will pack out the O2. The game is up!
Tyson Fury punching himself in the face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFP-R_LYSM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFP-R_LYSM)
:D :D
I don't understand why no one else has asked this - especially after all the hype about the training Dunne did and the weights he lifts how he can train every day lifting weights and so on and so on and -
1 - Look emancipated, starved and skinny at a weigh-in - Compared to a Thai guy who looks like a brick shit house
2 - Have no power in his punch????
Am I missing something?
Lord save me if he's supposed to be getting stronger surely he could have some power in his punch?
Why the big love in with dunne? Anytime i saw him being interviewed he comes across as very arrogant and annoying
I met him in passing once in Croke Park and instead of walking on he stopped and discussed the game for a few minutes. Found him to be a sound lad and very down to earth. Couldn't say a bad word about him.
QuoteWhy the big love in with dunne? Anytime i saw him being interviewed he comes across as very arrogant and annoying
Yeah right - Great lad and as down to earth and normal a guy as you could have the pleasure of meeting
Dunne's smile is back as fans say he's still a champ
By Fergus Black
Wednesday September 30 2009
THE narrow white strip covering a cut over his left eye was the only visible sign of his devastating defeat.
Looking fit and remarkably relaxed, it was hard to imagine that just three days previously Bernard Dunne's six-month reign as world bantamweight champion had come to such a dramatic end at the hands of a Thai fighter.
Shaking off that bitter disappointment, the 29-year-old boxer was given what he later described as an "amazing" reception when he braved the spotlight in City Hall yesterday to join athletes in announcing Dublin as next year's European Capital of Sport.
And he quickly showed some fancy footwork in dodging the awkward questions about his plans for the future. "I know you boys are dying to ask me questions," a smiling Dunne told journalists hoping for some inkling of his future plans. "You're being very kind and it's nice to see you being that way.
"We all know what happened on Saturday evening but today is about promoting Dublin city and I'm a true blue at heart so I wanted to be a part of it."
Earlier, while posing for photos, the boxer mentioned to Dublin's Lord Mayor Emer Costello that he would take a break. "You will come back," she assured him. "You are still a champion, no matter what."
In one of only a few references to his bruising fight, Dunne admitted that it had been a tough and emotional decision to attend yesterday's announcement along with the Lord Mayor, boxing sensation Katie Taylor, athlete David Gillick and a host of other sports figures.
"I suppose after Saturday one of the last places I would have expected to be would be in City Hall," he told the huge crowd that had gathered for yesterday's announcement. "But this is about promoting Dublin as a brand.
Being the true-blue Dub that I am there was no way I was going to miss this. It's an honour to represent my county. I'll never get to do it in a blue jersey but at least I get to do it here today."And he made an impassioned plea to the Government to continue investing in sport. "Sport is the one thing to put a smile on your face even in these difficult times and the Government needs to support and nurture young talent.
"Let's continue to give our kids the chance to be the next Katie Taylor or David Gillick or maybe they still want to be the next Bernard Dunne, you never know," he said.
Quote from: Logan on September 29, 2009, 10:11:27 AM
I don't understand why no one else has asked this - especially after all the hype about the training Dunne did and the weights he lifts how he can train every day lifting weights and so on and so on and -
1 - Look emancipated, starved and skinny at a weigh-in - Compared to a Thai guy who looks like a brick shit house
2 - Have no power in his punch????
Am I missing something?
Lord save me if he's supposed to be getting stronger surely he could have some power in his punch?
I didn't realise Dunne had been bound into slavery. Makes his achievements in the ring even more special.
Any word on Duddy fight? Any links online?
Middleweight John Duddy (27-1, 17 KOs) returned to the win column with an eight round unanimous decision over Jorge Munoz (21-4, 13 KOs). Scores were 80-73 and 79-73 twice. Duddy had a bloodied nose early on in the fight. There were no knockdowns.
Anyone see the super six fights on sat night, abraham looked the biz, albeit in his own back yard. he knocked taylor spark out, cant see him fighting again. carl froch couldnt get near dirrell but direll wouldnt get involved in a scrap at all. cant see kessler worrying about any of them. ???
Just caught the end of Ryan Rhodes stopping Moore there. Serious tear up.
Which fight is everyone goin to the weekend??? McCloskey or Rogan fight????
Think Roggie will get beat i hope dudey will walk it!!! Hopefully then there will some party in Dungiven
for rogie myself would have liked to go to both but its not quite possible just yet....
Quote from: Owenbeg on November 04, 2009, 04:24:40 PM
Which fight is everyone goin to the weekend??? McCloskey or Rogan fight????
Think Roggie will get beat i hope dudey will walk it!!! Hopefully then there will some party in Dungiven
for the McCloskey fight. anyone know if there will be 'liquid' refreshments @ the leisure centre?
thanks
Do Sky stream their fights? Will these two be streamed tonight?
Quote from: peterquaife on November 06, 2009, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Owenbeg on November 04, 2009, 04:24:40 PM
Which fight is everyone goin to the weekend??? McCloskey or Rogan fight????
Think Roggie will get beat i hope dudey will walk it!!! Hopefully then there will some party in Dungiven
for the McCloskey fight. anyone know if there will be 'liquid' refreshments @ the leisure centre?
thanks
someone on the derry mentioned there was a big beer garden-id imagine itll be hit hard!
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 06, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
Do Sky stream their fights? Will these two be streamed tonight?
yeah both fights are being shown on sky sports 1. think mccloskey at 10 then rogan at 11
If you have Sky Sports subscription and broadband from Sky you can watch it on Sky Player.
Lads, what about the betting this weekends boxing feast, some good odds looking at Sky Sports website. I fancy it like this is truth be told:
Valuev to win in rounds 1-12 = 9/2
-Sexton 9/4 to win (ridiculous price, Rogie is 1/3 who LOST the last time, Sexton completely out-boxed him but got caught with one punch that nearly KO'ed him, still the better boxer and will be more weary this time)
-McCloskey 1/10 (cert, no money in it, maybe to him to stop your man, you get better odds)
Thoughts / comments??
I think Rogie can win. If he is to win it won't go the distance. He'll come out all guns blazing as his power caused Sexton bother the last time when Rogan decided to fight. Though them odds on Sexton could be too good to turn down saying as he did out box him the last time.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 06, 2009, 04:14:46 PM
I think Rogie can win. If he is to win it won't go the distance. He'll come out all guns blazing as his power caused Sexton bother the last time when Rogan decided to fight. Though them odds on Sexton could be too good to turn down saying as he did out box him the last time.
Id love to see Rogie win but Sexton is a hell of a tasty price if you ask me. there is no denying he is the classier boxer. He may be a wee bit smarter this time in his approach to Rogie and with all the training camp changes in Rogie and the fact the fight is a month later than 1st expected, it could be tough for him.
Valuev weighed in there exactly 7 stone heavier than Haye!!
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Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 06, 2009, 04:14:46 PM
I think Rogie can win. If he is to win it won't go the distance. He'll come out all guns blazing as his power caused Sexton bother the last time when Rogan decided to fight. Though them odds on Sexton could be too good to turn down saying as he did out box him the last time.
Id love to see Rogie win but Sexton is a hell of a tasty price if you ask me. there is no denying he is the classier boxer. He may be a wee bit smarter this time in his approach to Rogie and with all the training camp changes in Rogie and the fact the fight is a month later than 1st expected, it could be tough for him.
Both boxers will have improved. I read today that Rogan has said he's boxing better since he got the trapped nerve in his shoulder sorted. Also, Rogan won't be as stupid again and will box better tactically than the last fight. Should be a tasty fight though!
That's the thing though, Rogan has very little "boxing" in him, he is a brawler and if that doesent work he doesent really have a Plan B.
Rogan 2/5 Sexton 7/4
I really can't see how Haye can beat Valuev. He's just too big and not a complete mug.
Can anyone confirm the time of the Rogan fight?
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
I really can't see how Haye can beat Valuev. He's just too big and not a complete mug.
Can anyone confirm the time of the Rogan fight?
Rogie for 2300hrs Seanie. McCloskey 2200hrs Sky Sports 1. Be there.
Cant believe David Haye is 4/6 favourite on Paddy Power for this fight with Valuev at 11/10! Valuev is a fairly decent champion with alot of advantages over Haye! May have a little punt on the big man knocking Haye out!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 06, 2009, 09:15:39 PM
Cant believe David Haye is 4/6 favourite on Paddy Power for this fight with Valuev at 11/10! Valuev is a fairly decent champion with alot of advantages over Haye! May have a little punt on the big man knocking Haye out!!
On Sky bet he is 9/2 to win inside 12 rounds!!!!!!!!! Ive bet on him myself.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 06, 2009, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 06, 2009, 09:15:39 PM
Cant believe David Haye is 4/6 favourite on Paddy Power for this fight with Valuev at 11/10! Valuev is a fairly decent champion with alot of advantages over Haye! May have a little punt on the big man knocking Haye out!!
On Sky bet he is 9/2 to win inside 12 rounds!!!!!!!!! Ive bet on him myself.
Valuev is 9/2 to win inside 12 rounds??? Feck me thats sum odds bearing in mind the dodgy chin of Haye! May have a bit of that myself!! Cheers for the tip!!
Sorry benny 9/4 to win inside 12, still good enough like.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 06, 2009, 09:36:47 PM
Sorry benny 9/4 to win inside 12, still good enough like.
;D just noticed that!! Still decent enough alright!!
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is the Rogan fight on after?
i take it it wont be shown live?
"Thunderous atmosphere in Mackerafelt".
Very one-sided.
Quote from: hardstation on November 06, 2009, 10:18:11 PM
Mickey Harte...Martin McGuinness.
Anyone spotted Brolly yet? Either one
Was Mickey's prodigy on the undercard?
Wishthat guy would take that poppy off !!
Quote from: SouthDerryGael on November 06, 2009, 10:26:48 PM
if it keeps stopping is there anything you can download to increase the bandwidth?
Buy Sky you stoke!!!!!
its workiing OK for me
Bit disappointed McCloskey didn't kill this.
Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Quote from: hardstation on November 06, 2009, 10:43:33 PM
Thought you were from Belfast.
McCloskey is crap. Next fight please.......
I am, but cant remember ever being called a Cappo, is it a Capitalist?
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2009, 10:49:25 PM
Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
Who needs that Mickey Harte,
He makes that sicky mart,
Lets Hurl a bricky Harte,
The Mickey Harte is really.........D'oh.
Any other celeb's spooted at the McCloskey fight bar Mickey?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 06, 2009, 10:50:47 PM
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Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
Not in the slightest. This fella he was facing had zilch. If McCloskey had anything near world class, it wouldn't have seen 5 rounds.
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2009, 10:55:05 PM
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Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2009, 10:49:25 PM
Fan of McCloskey but less convinced tonight.
Piss taking????
Not in the slightest. This fella he was facing had zilch. If McCloskey had anything near world class, it wouldn't have seen 5 rounds.
All about getting the belt tonight, wouldnt worry too much about the performance. Love to see him now get a fight against a big name, ie Khan to name but one.
Right, bring on Rogan. This is pure shit boxing but it's deadly craic.
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2009, 10:59:12 PM
Right, bring on Rogan. This is pure shit boxing but it's deadly craic.
ROGIE
Lets booo the f**k out of him!!
Money seems to be coming in for Sexton.
Deadly craic alright.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooo
He'd prob need to take him out in 1-2 rounds.
Come on Rogie!!!! Just watched press conference on you tube, deadly craic alright!!
Quote from: hardstation on November 06, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Where did these odds come from? Sexton boxed the head off him in all rounds but one, last time.
Money for Sexton, 6/4 with Ladbrokes. Was 9/4 earlier today.
If the stupid big hoor gets a chance to put Sexton's lights out tonight hopefully he takes it this time!
Sexton to take him in 4th!!
Personally, Sexton in 6th.
Get in there Rogie - do it for Glenavy Garden Centre.
Sexton 10
Rogan 9
I must stress this is an unofficial scorecard from me.
He mightnt see the 4th...
Part time actor! Did that big tube do a porno or somethin?
Always afeared with a cut with Rogan. Pure bull.
Quote from: hardstation on November 06, 2009, 11:19:04 PM
He'd be better at UFC.
He would be better bouncing in Caffreys
u mean KFC?
It's a knock-out now. Rogan needs to catch him. Rogan's tiring, 4 rounds on the front foot.
Sexy boy very comfortable
I dunno if either of them have 12 runds in them. Sexton could be going great then he will be wobbling like f**k.
Wee hope there. Sexton is vulnerable too. One punch Rogie now.
Sexton lookin bit flaky Cmon to f**k Rogie
That **** Sexton doin some holdin..
Go on Rogan!! Needs to finish him!! Ah feck he's cut!!
Go on te fcuk.
Anyone that chants "Ole, Ole" should be ejected
Needs the bell
Sexton is fcuked too otherwise he would have him finished
Taxi for Rogan
All over
Legs had gone.. He needed the early knock out!!
Over, Rogie pulled out.
Heart of a lion Rogie, took some serious shots but still came forward.
The Rossa men always lay down
Quote from: Minder on November 06, 2009, 11:34:27 PM
Anyone that chants "Ole, Ole" should be ejected
I couldn't agree more! Hard luck Rogan!
They have it down as an arm injury. Fair result.
f**k sake Rogie at least be magnanimous
Quote from: hardstation on November 06, 2009, 11:43:46 PM
He has to give it up now. Was never a boxer anyway.
Will be involved in a digging match near you, very soon.
BTW, fcuk all wrong with his arm.
Hard luck.
Missed his chance in first fight. He'll regret not emptying him then when he had him.
Look - he was on borrowed time after 5 rounds. All that 'crowd noise' was misleading - he was not landing, nor hurting Sexton. A half-decent young 'un, will always beat a journeyman with limited skill. End of. Rogie though should keep his sights set on a British title - the 'lucky-punch' syndrome will always give him a fighters' chance ..
Straining to do some explaining!!!!!!!!
Still, ill give rogie plenty of credit, the man just fights, not classy but f**k his fights are exciting.
f**k it lads, lets watch Sinky Sinclair.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 06, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
f**k it lads, lets watch Sinky Sinclair.
f**k that. im catchin the last 5 of Sexcetra on Virgin.
Is that Magee with Sinky Sinclair ??? ??? ??? ???
What is the craic there??
Quote from: hardstation on November 06, 2009, 11:48:20 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on November 06, 2009, 11:46:29 PM
Look - he was on borrowed time after 5 rounds. All that 'crowd noise' was misleading - he was not landing, nor hurting Sexton. A half-decent young 'un, will always beat a journeyman with limited skill. End of. Rogie though should keep his sights set on a British title - the 'lucky-punch' syndrome will always give him a fighters' chance ..
Bollix. He should just run a chippy.
It's BALLIX - not Bollix - and, between you and me, I wouldn't back him to win a row in a chippy on a Friday night against someone under 25..
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 06, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
Is that Magee with Sinky Sinclair ??? ??? ??? ???
What is the craic there??
Is that the PSNI waiting to arrest Magee? or ....
Just on the road back from the Dudey fight. Great atmosphere and enjoyable fight. European champion, brilliant. Hopefully now he can push on for a shot @ the world title next year. A lot of good fighters in the division.
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Fair play and unlucky ot Rogan 'you better believe it'!!!
Quote from: peterquaife on November 07, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
OK, let's start with you setting an example then. What have you achieved and why is your opinion (even though you've supplied zilch evidence for it) more valued than others? Over to you.
Just back from the McCloskey fight, greats night boxing, while Paul should have knocked your man out earlier, he battered him every round. was surprised at how bad David Hanna was, looked so nervous and was crap. his first pro fight too. he'll probably join Marty in the chip van.
great crowd at the match
What would worry me about McCloskey is that a very average Vietnamese boxer knocked tonight's opponent out in 2 rounds this time last year.
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 12:20:05 AM
Just back from the McCloskey fight, greats night boxing, while Paul should have knocked your man out earlier, he battered him every round. was surprised at how bad David Hanna was, looked so nervous and was crap. his first pro fight too. he'll probably join Marty in the chip van.
great crowd at the match
Did Taggart fight?
Na. didn't see him
the place was freezing, was pre warned before i went up. hat scarf and gloves required. must have been 4 thousand at it.
Quote from: peterquaife on November 07, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
Just on the road back from the Dudey fight. Great atmosphere and enjoyable fight. European champion, brilliant. Hopefully now he can push on for a shot @ the world title next year. A lot of good fighters in the division.
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Fair play and unlucky ot Rogan 'you better believe it'!!!
What an arsehole. Do you not sign off your posts with "PQ" anymore?
how did D taggart get on?
QuoteAnd to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Never post on an empty head, there's a good lad.
McCloskey fight nite.... Taggart won on points over four rounds. Slug fest but full of heart. It was the last fite on the bill and most of the crowd had left but rake of Tyrone ones stayed. Mickey Harte and a few of his sons were there to support him.
It was a great nite overall. Place was pumping and great atmosphere. Yer man from Spain hardly laid a glove on McCloskey. Did some star spotting... Joe Brolly and Martin McGuinness were posing for photos ringside, Eoghain Quigg was there, Barry McGuigan... a few others can't remember.
One problem tho... is their no heaters in thon place? Was absolutly freezing, terrible. You could see your own breath. Actually that was unacceptable. Apart from that tho brilliant atmosphere and a lot of GAA tops there.
Aye Fox the place was like a igloo. i left right after the McCloskey fight, didn't realise he was fighting afterwards.
seen quigg dander in. Sambo was there and Paddy Heany and Brolly all sitting together. Brolly never shut up and Heany is a smug looking fecker ;)
Martin and Brolly where up getting photo opportunities all the time. Barry was in good voice and promotes my wife's cousin, Carl Frampton, who fought well and stopped your man in the third (i think)
Was Kevin "Sweet Pea" O'Hara fighting on either bill last night?
Edit - he won on points on the Rogan undercard.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on November 07, 2009, 10:05:23 AM
McCloskey fight nite.... Taggart won on points over four rounds. Slug fest but full of heart. It was the last fite on the bill and most of the crowd had left but rake of Tyrone ones stayed. Mickey Harte and a few of his sons were there to support him.
It was a great nite overall. Place was pumping and great atmosphere. Yer man from Spain hardly laid a glove on McCloskey. Did some star spotting... Joe Brolly and Martin McGuinness were posing for photos ringside, Eoghain Quigg was there, Barry McGuigan... a few others can't remember.
One problem tho... is their no heaters in thon place? Was absolutly freezing, terrible. You could see your own breath. Actually that was unacceptable. Apart from that tho brilliant atmosphere and a lot of GAA tops there.
there was no heat on purposely to try and make the Spaniard as uncomfortable as possible.
it seemed to be a who's who of past and present county players
Was at the rogan fight,crowd went nuts everytime rogan moved his arms when most of the time he was just punching into sextons guard, dissapointing night in all.
rogan had sexton rocking in the 5th round, very disappointed with the referee when he gave sexton time to recover with his very long warning about holding!! he said next time a point will be taken off, 20 secs later he warned him again bout it!! over all sexton deserved to win, he was much sharper and more clinical with his punches. fair dues to rogan he has got himself into some shape when compared to his prizefighter night, he has done better than most people ever expected and should be applauded for it!!
wonder how rogan has came out finacally over this past year
Quote from: Minder on November 07, 2009, 12:47:39 AM
Quote from: peterquaife on November 07, 2009, 12:06:29 AM
Just on the road back from the Dudey fight. Great atmosphere and enjoyable fight. European champion, brilliant. Hopefully now he can push on for a shot @ the world title next year. A lot of good fighters in the division.
And to the half-tanked keyboard warriors with half an eye on the TV and the other half on their computer, what have yous achieved lately?embarrassing.
Fair play and unlucky ot Rogan 'you better believe it'!!!
What an arsehole. Do you not sign off your posts with "PQ" anymore?
you near hit a speed wobble closing rank there M lad
PQ
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 10:43:54 AM
Aye Fox the place was like a igloo. i left right after the McCloskey fight, didn't realise he was fighting afterwards.
seen quigg dander in. Sambo was there and Paddy Heany and Brolly all sitting together. Brolly never shut up and Heany is a smug looking fecker ;)
Martin and Brolly where up getting photo opportunities all the time. Barry was in good voice and promotes my wife's cousin, Carl Frampton, who fought well and stopped your man in the third (i think)
Aye, I saw Heaney but didn't mention him as I don't think he is a star or a celebrity :o
I too was very disapointed with the ref in the Rogan fight. Sexton did take a lot of Rogans punches on his arms but he spent most of the first five rounds just holding Rogan, I think the ref was very slow to issue the warning. Sexton is like Rogan a very limited fighter, but I have great respect for the courage showed by Rogan last night. I feel if Sexton had not been allowed to get away with so much holding Rogans bravery may have got him a result early on. Just ran out of steam but brave as heck!
Rogan hardly hit him a decent punch in the first 5 rounds so I don't know how he was gonna stop him. He was well beat.
got sexton at 4/1 (inside the distance?) and 11/4 for the Russian inside the distance.
not sure the russian will win now, talking to some boxers last night and they convinced me Haye will win!!
two singles and a double so i'm up any way, but would like the double
what time is the Hay fight on at?
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
what time is the Hay fight on at?
PPV show starts at 8pm. They were saying on Sky last night that they expect the fight to start after half 9.
Any links for tonights fight??
Dont wanna pay biox office ;D
Saw odds in Ladbrokes earlier of -
Valuev 8/11 Haye Evens
this pile of money put on Valuev is starting to put me off him.
might go for early round TKO for Haye to win? 30/1 right through each of the early rounds
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 07:58:59 PM
this pile of money put on Valuev is starting to put me off him.
might go for early round TKO for Haye to win? 30/1 right through each of the early rounds
Everyone lumped on Valuev when they saw you tipping Haye earlier :)
Links??
Anyone know any links that are actually for free and are no bother getting access to?
Most links aren't starting til 9.30.
try this:
http://www.watchprem.com/channel1.php
The 'watch prem' is a bit stuttery ... anything else on the go? ???
I might give in and pay the £15 - what time is it looking like starting at?
Watchprem fine for me.
Heard Alan Brazil or Mike Parry on Talksport during the weekend wondering if it was possible to have Hayes run at yer man from the bell, jump up and hit him on the head.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 07, 2009, 09:36:21 PM
I might give in and pay the £15 - what time is it looking like starting at?
Probably another 10-15 minutes
Is there commentary on liveprem?
He has his poppy on, thank fcuk
Stuttering for me too. Doing my head in.
http://www.justin.tv/smackdownmatches
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=54803&part=sports
got a decent sopcast link from sport.ro but no englsih commentary
i have a couple running, the watchprem one, which is stuttery, but the commentry seems to keep going, have it minimised, with the 2nd listed sopcast through MMA TV on the link below running
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=54803&part=sports
its in german, mute it and listen to the english commentary on
http://www.watchprem.com/channel1.php
bit long winded, but decent stream
http://www.freedocast.com/forms/PopOut.aspx?sc=5316428A31DA2133109B
Hayes corner man is a bit of a David Brent character by the sounds of him
they have thrown 10 punches between them!!
Hayes making a quare fist of it though.
You would think youse keyboard warriors would pony up the money for the PPV, embarassing.
M
Round?
shite, i busy watching the michael Jackson seance live with Derek Acorah. they are in Cork!!!
Any sword of Benny Tierney and Chris Lawn ?
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch3.html
Foreign but steady.
Round five just over, glad I didn't pay for this
Bit boring ain't it
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 07, 2009, 10:24:51 PM
Bit boring ain't it
Sure is, Pacquiao v Cotto next week will be like watching a different sport
Hayes is gonna have to keep dancing. If the big fella finally gets in him a corner, he'll take the head off him. Hayes better be fit.
Hayes corner man - " Dont get drunk on your success" WTF?
Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Seriously? I have the big fella 1-2 up.
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Jim Watt and Ian Darke have Valuev a pt ahead, Haye will need to be a few pts up to get the decision. Haye isn't doing enough.
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:30:07 PM
Not watching it, but PP have Valuev at 2/5 right now, yet the FiveLive commentators have Haye winning by a few rounds already, are they being biased or who's looking best?
Five live don't seem to be on the same wave length as the bookies - bookies have Valuev well ahead.
Valuev is trying to walk Haye down And that will win him the fight, especially with it being in Germany.
??? Your man just said something about Valuev knowing his title could be running away from him! Also say Haye's landed all the big shots so far and it's going his way. I'd be happy to go with the bookies word seeing as I lumped on Valuev at 5-4 earlier in the week!
Haye is landing the better punches, but he's reluctant to engage for too long
Quote from: glens73 on November 07, 2009, 10:34:47 PM
Valuev is trying to walk Haye down And that will win him the fight, especially with it being in Germany.
Bookies odds have lengthened - Valuev now 9/10
Evens both men now
Haye won round 9 & 10, tight enough now
Fcuk, big man must be tiring by this stage and Haye stepping it up.
Quote from: glens73 on November 07, 2009, 10:42:38 PM
Haye won round 9 & 10, tight enough now
Hometown decision coming up ?
Klitscko would beat the ballacks of either of them I think
Looks like Valuev now.
Five live says they have Haye up by 3 rounds ??????
Valuev wins 11, hometown decision it will be
Heavyweight boxing is shite!!
Valuev 1/3 going into final round, hopefully he finishes this strong.
worst.fight.ever.
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
five dead men could have done it better
they have it wrong cause they are shite
Haye hurt him in the last too little too late though
Bookies reckon Haye has won it now.
They should make it a no contest
You would think from Five Live hat Haye has delivered a boxing masterclass. Poor fight all round. Rumours are Valuev by 2 rounds though!
My links kept breaking. 5 Live has Haye winning by 3 or 4 rounds! Sky have it for Valuev
all balls, watch Dereck on sky 2. what a load of balls. cant believe people pay him
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
all balls, watch Dereck on sky 2. what a load of balls. cant believe people pay him
Does he have Sam with him tonight??
Hometown decision will be needed here ?
Fcuk me Haye's done it.
So who won it?!
Haye has it, draw on one, 4 pts on both the other cards
116-112 x 2 to Haye
never a 4 point fight
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 10:50:16 PM
they have it wrong cause they are shite
Looks like the R5 boys weren't so shite after all.
I had it a draw at the end.
he
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:53:15 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
all balls, watch Dereck on sky 2. what a load of balls. cant believe people pay him
Does he have Sam with him tonight??
he's in cork, so i doubt it
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Not really a travesty, Haye is the better boxer
agree that it was a crap fight, one of the Audley Harrison fight, and I use that team loosly, was a hell of a lot worse.
worst fight ever. couldn't give it to anyone. five live won it in the end
Jim Watt talking shit - still saying 'if only Hayes....' - even after he won!
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2009, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Bookies got that wrong alright. Haye was 5/2 at one stage there.
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Never a 4 point winner, shite fight.
at least haye threw a punch. Christ of almights valuvev couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
So more importantly, how did Chris Lawn and Benny Tierney get on tonight ?? That was the real big fight tonight.
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
You're right there, especially with them covering it
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2009, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Fair enough they called it right, but they'd fairly sicken your hole listening to them. Fair play to Haye though, didn't think he'd win it, especially not on points. He's his pick of fights now, wonder if there'll be a rematch in London, or if he'll go after the Klitschko's straight away!
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
Went down to the Errigal there in belfast to watch it, they where showing it via a German TV channel :-\. Commode stuff that fight, Haye by an absolute landslide I thought, Valuev is f**king useless, so slow and predictable it was unbeliveable. Haye fooled everyone by saying he was going for the KO during the week but it was never really in his mind, fought a smart enough fight and kept running from your man all the time. Any good shots in the fight came from Haye. f**k IT WAS COMMODE STUFF. If that useless big fecker had won id be over £100 up now >:(
Thanks god for Cotto-Pacman next week. My money is on Cotto to be honest.
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 11:02:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 07, 2009, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 07, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 07, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
How do Five live men have it so wrong ?
"Valuev knows he's a beaten man", "he's won it by 3 or 4 rounds" ???
Even on the BBC website they think Haye didn't so enough. As I say, not watching it myself, but the 5live lads sound like some bullshitters even if Haye has won it. They even compared him to Ali in the way he got away from Valuev near the end there!
Turns out they arent that stupid after all on Five Live!!
Fair enough they called it right, but they'd fairly sicken your hole listening to them. Fair play to Haye though, didn't think he'd win it, especially not on points. He's his pick of fights now, wonder if there'll be a rematch in London, or if he'll go after the Klitschko's straight away!
For his sake I hope not !!
Klitscko would beat the lugs of Haye
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
It was absolutely wedged square ball, wile crowd in for it. Pity it was such a commode fight, would have been a great atmosphere had there been any excitment. Dont know why they didnt have it on box office, maybe they get that german channel for free, not that it matters in a pub like ;D
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
Saturday night in the Errigle so would be packed fight or no fight.
Well he's talking about cleaning up the division so I'd imagine we'll see a Klitschko-Haye fight in the near future. But I'd agree, he'd get the head boxed off him.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:17:08 PMIf that useless big fecker had won id be over £100 up now >:(
I know how you feel!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2009, 11:27:37 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:22:29 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 07, 2009, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on November 07, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
The saviour of British boxing. Arise Sir David Haye. That's the BBC Sports personality award sewn up anyway
Buttons your man for that
Nah, I don't agree. Button was useless for the second half of the season. You'll hear nothing more of young Jenson now that Haye has conquered the World.
time will tell.
DD 12, was there many there? what happened to the sky box office coverage? waas going to go there myself but stayed in the house.
Saturday night in the Errigle so would be packed fight or no fight.
Shut up Tony >:( It was wedged because of the fight >:(
Wile nettle walking about it ;D
Feck me it was a terrible contest and Valuev was a big useless lump but for anyman to beat another men SEVEN stone heavier than him is a phenomenal achievement.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 07, 2009, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
:D
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 07, 2009, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
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Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
Try that again there Milltown and hold the retardness :D
BBC Headline - Haye shocks Valuev
Even though he was the favourite...........
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Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 07, 2009, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
Try that again there Milltown and hold the retardness :D
sorry that didn't work :P
i've never seen anything sexy in there in my life. plenty of fat 'butches' but hey whatever turns you on
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 07, 2009, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 07, 2009, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 07, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
Wile nettle walking about it ;D
???
a shite hole and a load off fat 'butches' more like it
Nettle = talent (as in sexy women).
You southerners are not wit it at'all LL ;D used in a sentence:
There was wile nettle walking around the Errigal Inn in belfast tonight.
Translated for LL:
There was a load of f**king sexy bitches walking around the Errigal Inn in Belfast tonight.
;D
Try that again there Milltown and hold the retardness :D
sorry that didn't work :P
i've never seen anything sexy in there in my life. plenty of fat 'butches' but hey whatever turns you on
Jesus Milltown where have you been? The Errigle has been gentrified over the past 5 years in line with the gentrification of the Ormeau and Ravenhill and is full of fine women.
tony, its a shite hole. I've been a few times lately. my single friends (in their thirties, lucky bast...) say go to the Errigle blah blah. anytime i go it's keek.
maybe i'm too old :o
Quote from: milltown row on November 08, 2009, 12:29:17 AM
tony, its a shite hole. I've been a few times lately. my single friends (in their thirties, lucky bast...) say go to the Errigle blah blah. anytime i go it's keek.
maybe i'm too old :o
I didn't say it was good! It has a few lookers about it. I used to go there back in the day and was there a few weeks ago with the boul Minder and a couple of other lads. With the move to a more upmarket clientele you introduce a lot of wankers in their rugby tops with the collars up and that f**king "young professional" crowd of accountants etc., trying to prove they aren't boring c***ts, that sicken my shite and the women are likely to ask for your salary bracket before talking to you. However name me a bar in the city that isn't like that these days.
your right but my opinion of the place is right, i preferred it years ago when good bands played and you went for a pint.
unfortunately all bars have girls more interested in what ya earn. thon girls are pricks and thats the world we live in now. glad i don't have to look for it now
Holy feck, TB were u in the big front bar in the Errigle!!!!! the pretentious crowd frequent Toms bar while the commoners use the public, and the elderly use gods waiting room, theres a few boys gonna kick my nuts in now :D
does anyone know the punches landed stats from the haye-valuev fight?
valuev should hav won
Strange boxing decisions / Simon Cowell decisions
Is there any difference in their reasoning?
Are you surprised?
Am I too cynical? :)
Quote from: Sandino on November 07, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
I too was very disapointed with the ref in the Rogan fight. Sexton did take a lot of Rogans punches on his arms but he spent most of the first five rounds just holding Rogan, I think the ref was very slow to issue the warning. Sexton is like Rogan a very limited fighter, but I have great respect for the courage showed by Rogan last night. I feel if Sexton had not been allowed to get away with so much holding Rogans bravery may have got him a result early on. Just ran out of steam but brave as heck!
Poor enough fight and Big Rogey, a bit like someone taking up hurling late in life, always showed a bit of awkwardness in his movement and punching technique which is probably ironed out in the formative years.
He did get a few on Sexton in the fifth which caused Sexton a bit of a knee wobble but spent a fierce amount of energy trying to put him down. You could see that he was a busted flush on his way back to the corner. Sexton was able to recover and dominated the sixth round but only the big heart in Rogey kept him going. No disgrace IMO.
Did anyone see the very brief unfurling of a 'Norn Iron Fleg' with C'mon Rogey on it before the fight started? Thought it was funny myself.
As for strange boxing decisions, some of the undercard fights that night went the way of the local lads, 'sweet pea' won his alright, but the last fight before Rogeys was a bit ropey to say the least as i thought the English lad landed the more punches.
Big fight in Vesgas saturday night. Does anyone know why Pacman is such heavy favourite ??? ??? I honestly cant see him beating Cotto, i think he will be too big, too strong and a lot smarter than Ricky hatton was.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 10, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
Big fight in Vesgas saturday night. Does anyone know why Pacman is such heavy favourite ??? ??? I honestly cant see him beating Cotto, i think he will be too big, too strong and a lot smarter than Ricky hatton was.
whats the odds, he is heavy odds because before the last two or three fights he was in he was the underdog and the bookies lost big money on him
Well I've always thought Cotto would be too big for Manny and was convinced he would be able to walk him down, but starting to have my doubts. Cotto dealt brilliantly with Mosely fast hands but after watching that fight again it occurred to me that whilst Mosely's hands are lightning fast, he wasn't on his toes in anyway near the same way Manny will be. He will use his skills and be in and out, though should be noted Cotto is a fairly precise and accurate puncher so will need to be careful when lunging in. Cotto took Mosely's best shots and those of Margarito and still kept going and a horrific cut didn't stop him last time out, so I don't think Manny can afford to get dragged into a war.
For me then there are two likely outcomes, Pac-Man on points or a Cotto KO. Most of my small amount of money laid down is on a second half Cotto KO, but given increasing nerves to hedge I've stuck down a small bit on Manny to stop him between 10-12.
What time is the actual fight at tonight between Pacman and Cotto? I know coverage starts at 0200hrs but i assume the fight wont start until a while after this?
Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
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Quote from: Celt_Man on November 14, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
think macklin would knock Lee out. Lee doesn't look as good as he was.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 14, 2009, 07:49:29 PM
What time is the actual fight at tonight between Pacman and Cotto? I know coverage starts at 0200hrs but i assume the fight wont start until a while after this?
Won't be far off 4am I'd say. Dunno if it get pulled forward if the undercard bouts don't go the distance. Doubt it though as I'm sure it'll be round 8pm PT for tv.
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Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 14, 2009, 07:49:29 PM
What time is the actual fight at tonight between Pacman and Cotto? I know coverage starts at 0200hrs but i assume the fight wont start until a while after this?
Won't be far off 4am I'd say. Dunno if it get pulled forward if the undercard bouts don't go the distance. Doubt it though as I'm sure it'll be round 8pm PT for tv.
You would know
Quote from: INDIANA on November 15, 2009, 12:13:14 AM
think macklin would knock Lee out. Lee doesn't look as good as he was.
Don't know about Lee being not as good as he was as I wouldn't be the best follower of boxing and Lee's form but one thing is for sure Macklin can fairly throw a haymaker... he threw some real beauties in his European title win
Without a doubt THE best in the world... Manny was simply awesome tonight and although Cotto battld well and has the heart of a lion Pacquiao is the best boxer I've ever seen and is unlikely to ever get beaten I think.
Him and Mayweather will be amazing and I fancy Manny after his last 2 performances!
Very disappointed with Lee. I thought he was the real thing for a while, but he hasn't showed any improvement with experience. In fact he's done the opposite and it's hard now to pinpoint any strength in his make-up. He doesn't seem to be killing himself with gym work either. After a few years as a pro he has no musculature - no chest, no shoulder muscles or biceps. He fought like an amateur last night. Another Dud(dy), I think.
Pac-man was awesome. Shows what I know, though thankfully hedged the bet well - ref did me a favour. Unbelievable heart from Cotto. After this I wouldn't want to bet against Pac-Man but if you were going to then I guess the only one you could possibly back would be Mayweather.
Am a little excited this morning so maybe I'm going over the top but not sure - but after this Manny has to be up there with the very ebst of all time. If he beats Mayweather he may well be the BEST of all time!
Lee seems short of confidence alright but Manny is one of the all time greats
Pacman is the best ive ever seen. To do what he is doing is unbelievable. the way he has moved up the weight and took the power with him is scary. Its a credit to Freddie roach and his team for getting him in the shape he is in but Pacman is just a talent as well. He went to 1/3 before the fight, couldnt believe it, i thought Cotto would be too big and smart for him but Pacman is just different sauce.
Hard one to call between him and Mayweather if they get it on and on current form its very hard to see Pacman being beat!!
Pacman is unreal. Incredible fighter altogether.
Lee I'm afraid is an accident waiting to happen. That French lad was wild limited and nearly took him out at the nd. I think Lee's management will keep him figting pookies for a while and picking up decent cheques for filling halls in Limerick and TV from RTE. Once he steps up in class he'll be nailed.
Just watched the Pacman fight again there. Probably the best fighter I have seen. The way he can move up divisions, and still have the same speed, power, stamina etc and control the fights in the manner he did last night is unbelievable.
Pacman v Mayweather will be an amazing fight. Not sure if Mayweather would fancy it though as Pacman could take his unbeaten record.
Pacman was in unbelievable form there. Mayweather v Pacman would surely have to be one of the biggest fights ever if it was made?
On a slightly different note check this video out from Friday nights undercard to the Matthew Hatton fight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCU389zi4wc
post fight analysis.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZy7kKZjn8
what intensity there :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmCYlIsX5E&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Hz5-uYHso
:D :D :D
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
Mmmmmh! Still think that Lee is lacking something in the chin department and is a sitting duck. No matter how many punches you throw or how 'good' you look in the ring, if you can't mix it big time with the Mexicans etc, well your rounds are numbered. In truth, he has no punch and is wide open to a fighter that will mix it with him. It's Bernard Dunne all over again.... Bet his next fight is against some European hopeful (probably ranked about 10) who will be the 'acid test' for Lee. Load of balls, just an excuse to pack an arena, get RTE with Dave Boy - Jimmy, I didn't see that punch there - McAuley on board, hyping up a somewhat limited boxer who has, as a pro, failed to live up to his amateur reputation.
Damn sky - I set the ould digital recorder and of course 4 undercard fights later I don't get the whole of the Pacman fight ??? ???
Bit harsh on Lee, the thing that he has got going for him is that he has a big punch. His chin is questionable at this stage, as is his defence. Disappointed with his progress myself. Sooner or later he will have to fight Duddy and/or Macklin, and at present I think he would lose to both.
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on November 15, 2009, 10:16:58 PM
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Quote from: Celt_Man on November 14, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
Mmmmmh! Still think that Lee is lacking something in the chin department and is a sitting duck. No matter how many punches you throw or how 'good' you look in the ring, if you can't mix it big time with the Mexicans etc, well your rounds are numbered. In truth, he has no punch and is wide open to a fighter that will mix it with him. It's Bernard Dunne all over again.... Bet his next fight is against some European hopeful (probably ranked about 10) who will be the 'acid test' for Lee. Load of balls, just an excuse to pack an arena, get RTE with Dave Boy - Jimmy, I didn't see that punch there - McAuley on board, hyping up a somewhat limited boxer who has, as a pro, failed to live up to his amateur reputation.
You're way off saying Lee is another Dunne. He's better than Dunne, much better but he's low on confidence. And it remains to be seen if he gets it back. and by the way Dunne was still a World Champion. Some people here seem to think World Titles are handed out at raffles or something.
Some world titles are more worthless than a raffle ticket though.
Dunne is a good decent fighter with a lot of heart but he is by no means a great fighter and isn't in the elite at his own weight division.
Fair play to him for getting as far as he did as a WBA title isn't to be sniffed at but his career is on a downhill spiral now after two hefty losses.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/2730728/The-incredible-double-KO-video-Paul-Samuels-and-Cello-Renda.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/2730728/The-incredible-double-KO-video-Paul-Samuels-and-Cello-Renda.html)
There was a quality fight on the other night. Im not sure of the names or weigh, sorry, im not a big boxing fan really. But the 2 lads went for it right from the off. the fight ended in the 3rd round maybe? There was a class bit in the fight when both boxers were knocked down at the same time! One of you ore avid fans surely must have seen it?
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 16, 2009, 09:23:21 PM
There was a quality fight on the other night. Im not sure of the names or weigh, sorry, im not a big boxing fan really. But the 2 lads went for it right from the off. the fight ended in the 3rd round maybe? There was a class bit in the fight when both boxers were knocked down at the same time! One of you ore avid fans surely must have seen it?
Check post before yours.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on November 16, 2009, 08:51:16 PM
Some world titles are more worthless than a raffle ticket though.
Dunne is a good decent fighter with a lot of heart but he is by no means a great fighter and isn't in the elite at his own weight division.
Fair play to him for getting as far as he did as a WBA title isn't to be sniffed at but his career is on a downhill spiral now after two hefty losses.
Dunne's biography (Liberties Press) is called 'The Agony and the Ecstasy' and sort of says that he is one of Ireland's elite band to have won a creditable belt, but quit now before he destroys his reputation. Discuss?
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Anyone know anything about this frenchie that Lee is fighting soon? Who is favorite for it?
Just watched it - Andy Lee was 30 secs from a ko and that was of himself - another DUD methinks ..
Gonna have to disagree with you... he would have known the bell was less than 30 seconds away, he grabbed his opponent and brought him to the middle of the ring... like Macklin said he didn't do that against Vera and that shows improvement
bit harsh calling him a dud... thought he boxed very clever apart from that bip in the tenth round, kept the other boy out of reach 90% of the time... would love to know what the punch count would be
Mmmmmh! Still think that Lee is lacking something in the chin department and is a sitting duck. No matter how many punches you throw or how 'good' you look in the ring, if you can't mix it big time with the Mexicans etc, well your rounds are numbered. In truth, he has no punch and is wide open to a fighter that will mix it with him. It's Bernard Dunne all over again.... Bet his next fight is against some European hopeful (probably ranked about 10) who will be the 'acid test' for Lee. Load of balls, just an excuse to pack an arena, get RTE with Dave Boy - Jimmy, I didn't see that punch there - McAuley on board, hyping up a somewhat limited boxer who has, as a pro, failed to live up to his amateur reputation.
You're way off saying Lee is another Dunne. He's better than Dunne, much better but he's low on confidence. And it remains to be seen if he gets it back. and by the way Dunne was still a World Champion. Some people here seem to think World Titles are handed out at raffles or something.
Some of them are. Check out how Lennox Lewis "won" is first heavyweight title, or who the first WBO heavyweight champion was, who happened to be announced in the build up to the unification fight between Tyson and Spinks. Dunne is a reasonably talented fighter who showed great heart to beat Cordoba to win a "world" title. But to imply that the fact that he won a tough, exciting fight against a tough opponent makes him outstanding is stretching the bounds of credibility. I can think of plenty of "world" champions who don't deserve the prefix. Despite the notable achievement of being one of the two best boxers on the planet, Pacquiao has the proud distinction of being the holder of the IBO Light Welterweight title, and the WBO Welterweight title. The belts are a joke, and as mentioned, some of them would be more valuable than raffle tickets.
More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
Quote from: CiKe on November 16, 2009, 10:48:33 PM
More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
I suppose it depends on the hindsight of years after he retires but if pacman rips through floyd hes up there with the best of all time. Right now its hard to compare him to the fighters of more competitive eras. Pacman has never fought anyone of the Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard calibre for example. These 4 are up there with nearly anyone ever and all fought each other (which puts them up there). Nothing manny can do about whose out there now of course but if your talking about greatest of all time you have to ask has he beaten fellow all time greats?
Whilst he has fought superb fighters I dont think any have the same quality of the 4 I mentioned. I wouldn't even include PBF in their league having watched the fights. For one thing all those 4 got involved in WARS Floyd could only dream of. For example, the first round of Hagler-Hearns, holy f**k what a tear up :o, or all of Leonard-Duran 1 or Leonard-Hagler. Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
But anyway, Pacmans claims to being THE best ever will always be slightly weakened by who he fought, but if he beats Floyd hes up there somewhere IMO
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There was a quality fight on the other night. Im not sure of the names or weigh, sorry, im not a big boxing fan really. But the 2 lads went for it right from the off. the fight ended in the 3rd round maybe? There was a class bit in the fight when both boxers were knocked down at the same time! One of you ore avid fans surely must have seen it?
Check post before yours.
Aye that was it! i didnt even notice that post! Apologies!
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Quote from: CiKe on November 16, 2009, 10:48:33 PM
More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
Whilst he has fought superb fighters I dont think any have the same quality of the 4 I mentioned. I wouldn't even include PBF in their league having watched the fights. For one thing all those 4 got involved in WARS Floyd could only dream of. For example, the first round of Hagler-Hearns, holy f**k what a tear up :o, or all of Leonard-Duran 1 or Leonard-Hagler. Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
Mayweather did make an interesting point when I saw him interviewed on SSN yesterday. Something along the lines of "there's no glory in getting beaten up during a fight. The object of the sport is to hit your opponent and not get hit yourself. Some fighters forget the second part."
Managed to see Manny on the repeat last night- Very impressive and as quick as anyone has ever been. Leaves himself a bit open at times but has an incredible dig on him for someone who has come up through the weights. If he fights Mayweather it'll be very interesting as Floyd really hasn't been in a decent fight in years and I'd wonder would he have the stomach for it in the later rounds cos Manny will keep on coming at him and he's as fast if not faster than Pretty Boy. The old adage of a good big un will always beat a good little un would be severely tested.
QuoteBe good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
Best ever era for middle weights anyway and traditionally that was always viewed as the hardest weight to win at as its at the "average" weight for men so more fighters at that level. Heard a great quote from George Kimball about the hitmans son who is fighting now - he has everything his father had except a chin and a punch!!!
QuoteMore importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
I see not much is mentioned of the losses the great Pac-man has suffered in his career - surely these losses challenge, with 2 of them against pretty much unknown fighters, counter his claims to being the GOAT.
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Quote from: CiKe on November 16, 2009, 10:48:33 PM
More importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
Whilst he has fought superb fighters I dont think any have the same quality of the 4 I mentioned. I wouldn't even include PBF in their league having watched the fights. For one thing all those 4 got involved in WARS Floyd could only dream of. For example, the first round of Hagler-Hearns, holy f**k what a tear up :o, or all of Leonard-Duran 1 or Leonard-Hagler. Be good to hear what the older posters remember of that era, best ever era in boxing?
Mayweather did make an interesting point when I saw him interviewed on SSN yesterday. Something along the lines of "there's no glory in getting beaten up during a fight. The object of the sport is to hit your opponent and not get hit yourself. Some fighters forget the second part."
He has a point and if he sticks to his guns, and ducks Pacquaio he will be remembered as a very good fighter but not an all time great. To be an all time great you have to prove yourself against
Every all time great since Joe Louis' 'Bum of the month' has had their wars. Ali-Frazier, Robinson-La Motta, all 4 of the fighters previously mentioned with each other, etc. Its what seperates Ray Leonard from PBF, he had all the skill, speed, slickness but he had the guts, heart and chin for the brawls as well.
All Floyd has done in the later part of his career is duck the hard fights and hard fighters near his weight, fighting men who couldnt dictate the terms of the fight like a limited Hatton or blown up Marquez. He has every right to fight who he wants and in the evasive style he wants but he wont secure the greatness of pacmans legacy if he keeps at it.
So how will he be regarded if he beats Pacman?
QuoteSo how will he be regarded if he beats Pacman?
As one of the all time greats -
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QuoteMore importantly though Gallsman at junior welterweight and welterweight he beat the men who would be considered "the man" by " the Ring". That is to say that in the absence of PBF, Cotto was the man. Pacquiao is now the man and not PBF. If Pac-Man wins he is GOAT, if Mayweather wins that is not the case.
I see not much is mentioned of the losses the great Pac-man has suffered in his career - surely these losses challenge, with 2 of them against pretty much unknown fighters, counter his claims to being the GOAT.
IIRC his first loss was when he was 17 early on in his professional career and fighting a seasonsed fighter ten years older so this really doesn't have much bearing on his legacy as such. Being undefeated is overrated imo, it is who you have fought that counts more and that is why the likes of Calaghze whilst undoubtedly a good fighter will never go down as one of the greats because for him his career came at a time when he didn't have much quality opponents in comparison to previous decades.
Mayweather hand picks his fighters very very carefully and in a business like manner. Marquez was always going to be caught by Floyd and is past his best, Hatton smaller and an easy target was a smart matchup fromhis camp too. Mayweather would be very reluctant to fight a Cotto or a Mosely because he knows they are a threat with their punching ability.
Pacquiao v Mayweather would be the biggest ppv event ever without a doubt and I'm not sure what way it would go. Cotto's tactics were spot on in the first round when he boxed with his jab and didn't trade with pacman, this is how I'd see Mayweather trying to counter him. It would be a contrast of styles and I'd love to see what way the bookies would have them.
At the minute i've much more respect for pacman because who he has fought and how he has fought and this alone means a hell of a lot more than the undefeated record of Mayweather.
If it happens, when is the Mayweather and Pacquio fight likely to be?
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 17, 2009, 05:51:37 PM
If it happens, when is the Mayweather and Pacquio fight likely to be?
Probably take place next May if it happens.
Most likely still going to be held in Vegas and even talk of a 30,000 outdoor temporary stadium being made to facilitate it but I think it's unlikely.
Whiskey steve. Think you're being a bit unfair on some of Pacmans opponents to be honest. Barrera, Morales Marquez are all first ballot Hall of Famers and he went 5-1-1 against them, stopping all of them. Cotto is a top drawer fighter. DLH was much big fighter and people weren;t sure before th fight how that would pan out - feeling was that if DLH caught him it would be lights out (which is what I thought would eventually happen against Cotto).
The Famous Four each fantastic fighters no doubt, but also had losses against not so great fighers. Does it matter that Pacman's were at the beginning of his career as opposed to Terry NOrris making Ray Leonard look stupid? Personally I don't think should count against either of them. For me out of those four Duran was the best, followed by Hagler (who I still think beat Leonard), then Leonard barely - first time round Hearns outboxed him. Having started out as lightweight, Duran was just too small against the others really so to put it up to Hagler and to beat Leonard was incredible. As a lightweight he was incredible.
Always thought it was pity that Aaron Pryor missed out on the super fights with these guys as he would have given them plenty of trouble.
Can you imagine Pacman - Pryor or Pacman - Duran? The things dreams are made of.
Anyway, I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Leonard or the others, and is the best defensive boxer in donkeys - better even than Pernell Whitaker. That's not to say PBF will be remembered in the same breath as the Famous 4, but if Manny beats Mayweather, for me Manny should be above them.
Quote from: CiKe on November 17, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Whiskey steve. Think you're being a bit unfair on some of Pacmans opponents to be honest. Barrera, Morales Marquez are all first ballot Hall of Famers and he went 5-1-1 against them, stopping all of them. Cotto is a top drawer fighter. DLH was much big fighter and people weren;t sure before th fight how that would pan out - feeling was that if DLH caught him it would be lights out (which is what I thought would eventually happen against Cotto).
The Famous Four each fantastic fighters no doubt, but also had losses against not so great fighers. Does it matter that Pacman's were at the beginning of his career as opposed to Terry NOrris making Ray Leonard look stupid? Personally I don't think should count against either of them. For me out of those four Duran was the best, followed by Hagler (who I still think beat Leonard), then Leonard barely - first time round Hearns outboxed him. Having started out as lightweight, Duran was just too small against the others really so to put it up to Hagler and to beat Leonard was incredible. As a lightweight he was incredible.
Always thought it was pity that Aaron Pryor missed out on the super fights with these guys as he would have given them plenty of trouble.
Can you imagine Pacman - Pryor or Pacman - Duran? The things dreams are made of.
Anyway, I think Mayweather is a better boxer than Leonard or the others, and is the best defensive boxer in donkeys - better even than Pernell Whitaker. That's not to say PBF will be remembered in the same breath as the Famous 4, but if Manny beats Mayweather, for me Manny should be above them.
DLH was shot whenever Pacman fought him but I'd still have fancied him to win a few years earlier.
Don't think Cotto is exactly a 'top drawer fighter', a very good boxer but anyone with quick movement and who can deal with his body shots have a good chance against him, he will beat most of what I call the B level, the likes of Hatton, Margarito etc.. Mosley I'm not so sure.
It's futile really to compare Pacman and Mayweather to the golden generation of boxing era, both these fighters will go down as two of the best of their respective era and whoever wins it will go down as thee best and probably one of the best of all-time. As I've said before though, I've still got my reservations about Floyd but make no mistake, he is certainly capable of beating Pacman if he boxes and moves with counter punches like Cotto tried for a short period of time.
I think that Pacman against Rogie would be a great fight?
Ricky Hatton is set to fight again. Rumoured to be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez next year. Either in Manchester or Wembley.
Seems to be a final swansong for Ricky. Good final pay day too.
Wise move or should he just hang them up?
See RJJ got beat by Danny Green, just shows how far he has fallen since he was at the peak of his powers, puts Calzaghes win in perspective. I see Matthen Macklin is looking to fight Pavlik next, that would be a decent scrap. But I see Macklin is quoted as saying he wants to get in there and beat Pavlik before someone else does - sure Pavlik has already been beat. I would love to see Khan knocked out this weekend, he does some spouting off about how good he will become and how much he has improved. He came out with a line recently saying he doesn't want to fight any of the big guns yet as they are at different stages of their careers - crap. He will wait to the like of Hatton is 34 or 35. If he is a world champion now he can't avoid the big names, and he is often talking down regarding Prescott but why has he not attempted to avenge the loss instead of classing Prescott as a one or two round fighter?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 18, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
Ricky Hatton is set to fight again. Rumoured to be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez next year. Either in Manchester or Wembley.
Seems to be a final swansong for Ricky. Good final pay day too.
Wise move or should he just hang them up?
I was watching Sky Sports News the last day and they reckon that Khan is lined up to fight Hattin next September.
It was Freddie Roach that said it in an interview.
BTW I think Freddie Roach is a legend.
Quote from: AbbeySider on December 02, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 18, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
Ricky Hatton is set to fight again. Rumoured to be fighting Juan Manuel Marquez next year. Either in Manchester or Wembley.
Seems to be a final swansong for Ricky. Good final pay day too.
Wise move or should he just hang them up?
I was watching Sky Sports News the last day and they reckon that Khan is lined up to fight Hattin next September.
It was Freddie Roach that said it in an interview.
BTW I think Freddie Roach is a legend.
That he is.
Is Matthew Macklins fight this weekend being shown on RTE or any channel for that matter, I cant imagine it would be on sky, but wouldn mind seeing it. He seems like a likable lad.
Was listening to him on the Radio at the weekend there, apparently he used to be a fine hurler came over to south tipp every summer as a youngster to play the game, Played for tipperary U16's alongside one Eoin Kelly.
Quote from: the scenic route on December 02, 2009, 04:09:58 PM
Is Matthew Macklins fight this weekend being shown on RTE or any channel for that matter, I cant imagine it would be on sky, but wouldn mind seeing it. He seems like a likable lad.
Was listening to him on the Radio at the weekend there, apparently he used to be a fine hurler came over to south tipp every summer as a youngster to play the game, Played for tipperary U16's alongside one Eoin Kelly.
Aye it's on RTÉ two this Saturday evening
RJJ's game was up years ago. He should have quit after demolishing Ruiz. Regardless of what people say, I believe in his prime he'd have beaten Collins, Calzaghe, Cwis, Benn- the lot of them. Best boxer I've ever seen in my lifetime. Blinding speed, ferocious power and he rarely got tagged. Really hope he doesn't try to squeeze one last pay day and have the Hopkins fight go ahead anyway- it would be like the Mayweather-Judah fight.
Great interview with Mayweather here
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=50763587001 (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid29318049001?bctid=50763587001)
QuoteRJJ's game was up years ago. He should have quit after demolishing Ruiz. Regardless of what people say, I believe in his prime he'd have beaten Collins, Calzaghe, Cwis, Benn- the lot of them. Best boxer I've ever seen in my lifetime. Blinding speed, ferocious power and he rarely got tagged. Really hope he doesn't try to squeeze one last pay day and have the Hopkins fight go ahead anyway- it would be like the Mayweather-Judah fight.
Agree with you completely. I used to watch alot of him years ago around the time he suffered his first loss (technically a loss but he was disqualified for hitting Montell Griffin when hed had been knocked down). He was unbelievable in his prime, the best I have ever seen. He has already fought on too long and he has already dented his legacy.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 03, 2009, 08:49:11 AM
QuoteRJJ's game was up years ago. He should have quit after demolishing Ruiz. Regardless of what people say, I believe in his prime he'd have beaten Collins, Calzaghe, Cwis, Benn- the lot of them. Best boxer I've ever seen in my lifetime. Blinding speed, ferocious power and he rarely got tagged. Really hope he doesn't try to squeeze one last pay day and have the Hopkins fight go ahead anyway- it would be like the Mayweather-Judah fight.
Agree with you completely. I used to watch alot of him years ago around the time he suffered his first loss (technically a loss but he was disqualified for hitting Montell Griffin when hed had been knocked down). He was unbelievable in his prime, the best I have ever seen. He has already fought on too long and he has already dented his legacy.
See Hopkins won last night in New Orleans against some Mexican lad. Says he wants Haye but there's definitely still the possibility of the RJJ fight happening.
does any of ya's know if the kevin mitchell/bredis presscott fight is on the same card as khan?? if not is it being shown anywhere?? should be decent fight, have always liked mitchell as a fighter and a win here would be great for him.
is khan fihht PPV??
Quote from: bridgegael on December 05, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
does any of ya's know if the kevin mitchell/bredis presscott fight is on the same card as khan?? if not is it being shown anywhere?? should be decent fight, have always liked mitchell as a fighter and a win here would be great for him.
is khan fihht PPV??
Mitchell fight is on the same card as Khan and yes its pay per view. Not sure if it's worth paying for this one or not especially with the free boxing on rte.
Should this not be St Stephen's thread :o
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on December 05, 2009, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 05, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
does any of ya's know if the kevin mitchell/bredis presscott fight is on the same card as khan?? if not is it being shown anywhere?? should be decent fight, have always liked mitchell as a fighter and a win here would be great for him.
is khan fihht PPV??
Mitchell fight is on the same card as Khan and yes its pay per view. Not sure if it's worth paying for this one or not especially with the free boxing on rte.
until khan fights someone of note, i will not pay to watch him, and after his comments yesterday its really hard to warm to him!!
near forgot bout the boxing on rte tonight. cheers TD
any one any links for the khan fight?
http://www.freesportslive.com/channel-1.html
Good to see Cavan's Andy Murray winning on RTÉ there... Jaysus that Dave Boy McCauley is annoying, latches onto an idea and never shuts up about it
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on December 05, 2009, 08:33:04 PM
any one any links for the khan fight?
http://www.justin.tv/vip_sports_bar_2/old/
Is khan on sky pay per view or who's covering it?
or this
http://www.justin.tv/vip_sports_bar_2/popout/
les than a minute your man lasted
valye for money or what?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8402982.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8402982.stm)
QuoteFloyd Mayweather Jr believes he will knock out Manny Pacquiao when boxing's two biggest stars meet in 2010. The American and the Philippines star, regarded as the world's two best pound-for-pound boxers, are finalising plans for a welterweight meeting on 13 March.
And unbeaten Mayweather, 32, said: "He's been knocked out before and he's taken losses. I'll be victorious." Mayweather's bold prediction comes as two NFL stadiums are reported to be bidding to host the 'superfight'. Cowboy Stadium in Arlington, Texas, home of the Dallas Cowboys, is competing with the Superdome in New Orleans, as well as traditional boxing venue, the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. The two stadiums could accommodate up to 100,000 spectators, while the MGM Grand seats about 16,000.
The latter venue staged both boxers' last fights - Filipino Pacquaio became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September. Pacquiao's victory over Cotto completed an amazing 12 months in which he defeated ring legend Oscar de la Hoya as well as Britain's Ricky Hatton.
With the fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao expecting to surpass the previous record of $18.4m (£11,36m) for gate receipts, which was for Mayweather's bout with Oscar De La Hoya in 2007, promoters Bob Arum and Richard Schaefer are looking to maximise all possible revenues.
And Mayweather remains confident of blotting Pacquaio's record of 50 victories from 55 fights. "Pacquiao's a good fighter but I've been around the sport a long time and I've dominated boxing for around 15 years now," the American said on HBO Television's Joe Buck Live chat show.
"No-one has defeated me yet so we'll have to see. "The thing is, I don't want the fans to be really shocked by what will happen when we do happen to meet up because it's not going to be anything new."
Mayweather also admitted he has won and lost huge sums gambling on NFL matches in Las Vegas. "Two weeks ago I won like a million [dollars], that was across a week of games, Monday night, Sunday and Thursday," he added.
"I didn't lose a million but I lost a couple of hundred thousand. Then I tried to get some 'get back' and lost some more money on Brett Favre [Minnesota Vikings quarter-back]."
Really hope it's not in Cowboys stadium- the place is a monstrosity!
Would be great to see it in a big stadium and away from Vegas.
Mayweather said he wants to fight in England as well before he retires. A few more big pay days. Could you blame him though?
Pretty impressive alright Galls, would make a great spectacle, somewhere different
(http://www.awardvacations.net/images/packages/239/Cowboys%20Stadium.jpg)
Thats the old stadium is it not?
Quote from: Onion Bag on December 09, 2009, 12:16:38 PM
Pretty impressive alright Galls, would make a great spectacle, somewhere different
(http://www.awardvacations.net/images/packages/239/Cowboys%20Stadium.jpg)
Jeyes! That work on Casement has come on big time.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 09, 2009, 12:05:30 PM
Would be great to see it in a big stadium and away from Vegas.
Mayweather said he wants to fight in England as well before he retires. A few more big pay days. Could you blame him though?
After Pac-man the worthy fights for Mayweather would be - Cotto and Mosley at welterweight, and possibly Paul Williams at light-middle if he decided to move up again. Cotto's lost his appeal a bit now so probably one of the other 2 and doubt it would be outside USA. I can't imagine he'd come to England unless he was going to fight Hatton, and I hope he isn't considering that.
'In 1997 I played under-16 for Tipperary'
SPORTING PASSIONS MATTHEW MACKLIN (Boxer): MATTHEW MACKLIN defeated Finland's Amin Asikainen at the Manchester Velodrome on September 25th to win the vacant European middleweight title.
Promoted by Meath's Brian Peters and raised in Birmingham by Irish parents, Macklin was also a talented hurler with Tipperary and played at underage levels with the county before concentrating on boxing.
In March, he ended rival Wayne Elcock's British title reign with a third round KO, and then in September he followed that up with a sensational, first-round destruction of former European champ Asikainen. The impressive double has seen Macklin shoot up the world rankings and he is now rated fourth with the WBO, fifth with the IBF and eighth with the WBC.
"My mum is from Tipperary and my dad is from Roscommon. In our house Gaelic games were the big sports when I was growing up and I suppose dad generated the interest in me from an early age.
"Every Sunday in Birmingham I headed off with my dad and played at underage levels. Sean McDermotts was my club from a young age and dad was heavily involved in everything there.
"In fact I had started playing hurling and football even before I began to play soccer.
"I suppose that would have been a bit unusual for a boy growing up in Birmingham. But I've always considered myself to be Irish and didn't play soccer until I was seven or eight years old.
"I'd always hit around with a hurley from the age of two or three, and when I was five I could do things with a hurley stick that kids in Ireland couldn't even do.
"Every summer holidays I'd go over to Ireland and down to Four Roads (Roscommon), and at Christmas too, so it felt very natural for me to be playing football or hurling as we were part of a very close-knit Irish community.
"Then one summer, when my dad was working on the Channel Tunnel, we went down to Dover for the summer holidays and stayed in this caravan park close to where he was located on the tunnel. The people who were next door to us in the same park came from Ballingarry in Tipperary.
"They had a son who was mad into hurling and my dad, even though Roscommon is a football place, was also interested because Four Roads is a big hurling area.
"I made friends there with Keith and we soon became best friends.
"Whenever I went over to Thurles during the summer holidays, I'd stay six or seven weeks and spend time in Ballingarry, where I also played hurling with the club. I was selected for the Tony Forristal Under-14 tournament for Tipperary at wing back, but I had already played for Warwickshire that year in the Féile na nGael and you couldn't play for two counties in the one year, so that was the end of that.
"Even in England all the videos of the big matches in Ireland used to be sent over to us and we'd watch all of them. I marked Eoin Kelly at under-12 and under-14s and we remain really close friends now.
"Eoin now is one of the big names on the Tipperary senior team. He's been a fantastic player with them for years. Other big names in Tipperary hurling like John Leahy and Nicky English were heroes of mine when I was growing up in the 90s. I know Leahy well.
"In 1997 I played under-16 for Tipperary. It was like a tournament format over a weekend and we played against three teams. We met Cork down in Riverstick as well as Limerick and Waterford and I've great memories of it. I came over to Ireland for the Munster final this year and I still try to watch as much as I can.
"I couldn't get to the All-Ireland final this year because I was training for the European title fight and I wanted to stick to my normal routine in the gym. Otherwise I would have come over.
"We can see all of the matches on RTÉ anyway, so it is no problem keeping in touch with what is going on.
"Also I still have a lot of family around Four Roads as my dad's two sisters live there and my grandmother, Margaret. I know a lot of people in Ireland, most of them involved with GAA, and now also boxing as well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8403896.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8403896.stm).
"Heavyweight title fights should be huge events, not an after-thought in a country most famous for producing Toblerones."
- Haye's getting better at this trash talking lark. I'd love to see Floyd try and come up with something like that!
Rogie wants to fight David Haye when he recovers from injury. He said that Haye told him when he won the world title, Rogie would get a shot. Even mentioned Croke Park. Also still very bitter towards Sam Sexton. Called him a punk, and said he couldn't put a crowd in a chip shop :D
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 18, 2009, 09:08:12 PM
Rogie wants to fight David Haye when he recovers from injury. He said that Haye told him when he won the world title, Rogie would get a shot. Even mentioned Croke Park. Also still very bitter towards Sam Sexton. Called him a punk, and said he couldn't put a crowd in a chip shop :D
I would say he does alright, a last payday. No chance.
Don't knock Rogie.
I would argue that Martin at his best could take Ali! (Even though Ali is 69 and has debilitating health problems).
Floyd Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao in doubt
Floyd Mayweather Jr's camp claim the American's planned super fight with Manny Pacquiao is now "in jeopardy".
Mayweather and the Filipino star were close to agreeing a 13 March meeting.
But the American's camp say they have been told by Pacquiao's promoters that he will not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight.
"He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight," said Mayweather associate Richard Schaefer.
"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight."
Unbeaten Mayweather's management want both men - regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world - to submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.
Schaefer, who is chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, added: "Todd (DuBoef, president of Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank) told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight."
Mayweather, 32, urged 31-year-old Pacquiao to agree to the blood testing.
"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.
"But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level."
The welterweight fight, which would be the richest of all time, had widely been expected to be formalised this week, with an official announcement on 6 January.
It was expected to be held at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.
The Staples Center in Los Angeles, home of the NBA's Lakers was also touted as a possible venue and representatives of the New Orleans Superdome were also said to be interested in hosting arguably the biggest fight since the turn of the century.
Filipino Pacquiao became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather returned from a 21-month retirement to beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8427743.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8427743.stm)
There is always some sort of difficulty with Pacman when arranging fights.
Quote from: Minder on December 18, 2009, 09:10:22 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on December 18, 2009, 09:08:12 PM
Rogie wants to fight David Haye when he recovers from injury. He said that Haye told him when he won the world title, Rogie would get a shot. Even mentioned Croke Park. Also still very bitter towards Sam Sexton. Called him a punk, and said he couldn't put a crowd in a chip shop :D
I would say he does alright, a last payday. No chance.
Another fight with Audley Harrison would be a more realistic target for a final payday for Rogie I would have thought.
Mayweather's fight with Pacquiao is off. Couldn't agree terms regarding this blood testing.
Mayweather Pacquiao fight definately off. Pacquiao confirmed he will be fighting Joshua Clottey in March instead. Surely Mayweather is the only option for Pacquiao to fight, if he wants to be tested and be considered one of the greatest. Does blood testing so close to a fight have such an impact on a fighter. Hopefully it will happen later in the year.
If there is one thing I hate about the sport of boxing is that there is no guarantee that you will see the big fights happening. This blood testing wasn't a big deal in past fights these two were involved in. Does Mayweather always look for this when he fights or is he just looking for excuses so as not to fight. I read else where that Pacquiao does not want to be having blood tests so close to the fight as it will sap his strength.
he certainly aint going for easy fights. Clottey isn't in Mayweather's class but is a tank with an excellent chin, who gave Cotto hell. Pacman obviously ate Cotto up but Clottey has a better engine and should make the fight interesting, although he is likely to absorb a lot of punishment for what will surely be his biggest payday.
Re the postpontment of Pacman and PBF, seems Mayweather is insisting on something which is never done. Pacman's stated excuse however I think is poor - it's not like he is being asked to give a pint of blood. Seems to be mind games on PBF's part and Pacman just doesn't want to give him even that.
Is Mayewather dodging the fight? He has it all to lose, he was pound for pound the best in the world before he retired, very few World Champions can say they finished unbeaten, he is one of the biggest names of the last 20 years, he loses and there goes his unbeaten record which I'm sure he holds so dearly.
On the other hand you have Pacquiao who would be the big underdog if the two were to meet, he has nothing to lose, he has been beaten and come back. He may be regarded as the pound for pound best in the world after Mayweather retired but most people will not be expecting him to win this fight. The man has nothing to lose but if he were to win, only then could he be considered one of the all time greats.
Just why is Mayweather insisting on this blood testing if it is not the norm? Is he scared if Pacman.
I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 09, 2010, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Mayweather has 6 titles at 5 levels.
Will be an interesting fight if it does happen, too close to call.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 09, 2010, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Mayweather has 6 titles at 5 levels.
Will be an interesting fight if it does happen, too close to call.
Mayweather needs at least 2 fights before Pacman. and he knows it. But the blood testing thing is just a smokescreen to get the fight off which it now is.
Indiana IMHO you're talking rubbish. Mayweather isn't scared at all, and as I mentioned I believe it is just mindgames. I don't think he need the tuneups either as he is ALWAYS in shape and has always been regarded as meticulous in his preparations to the extent that he is among the best conditioned fighters in the game.
To suggest Pacquiao would punch the chops off him suggests you haven't seen many of PBF's fights - he barely gets hit and after 12years at the top of the game he doesn't has a mark on him. He fought DLH when at the time no one would have suggested than Manny hit anywhere near as hard as DLH - prior to Manny v DLH the vast majority of people thought that if DLH connected it would be lights out. Admittedly after watching Manny's last few fights he has obviously carried his power up the divisions.
THere wasn't a doubt in my mind that PBF won that fight against a much stronger man. Pacman whilst maybe not as strong will certainly be a different (and more difficult) opponent due to his speed and movement. Certainly I don't discount the possibility of him winning, and possibly by knockout, but find it very hard to believe it will be a one sided fight in either direction. At the bookies PBF may be favourite, although not sure, but even if he is Pacman will be the livest of slight underdogs.
Until the emergence of Pacman over the last couple of years PBF would have gone down as the best fighter of his generation, better than RJJ and the best defensive boxer since at least Pernell Whitaker. Even if he beats Manny, Manny may still ultimately be ranked above him in the pantheon given the names he has beaten as he has moved through the divisions but I think ultimately PBF will want to try and dispel that and will want to take him on - defintely don't think he is running scared and that the fight will happen at some stage.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 09, 2010, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
I think the only reason Mayweather came back was to get a shot at Pacquiao. With Mayweather not about, Pacquiao was getting all the headlines and pound for pound best fighter around, after beating De La Hoya and Hatton, like Mayweather did. The same happened when Hatton wanted a shot at Mayweather, he wanted the fight and was put in his place. It's not as if he needs the money. He wanted the fight, thought he had the fight, so can't see him pulling out now just because he is afraid of Pacquiao. Probably just mind games as was mentioned earlier.
Mayweather is a coward plain and simple. He's undercooked and he knows it. Pac-man would have punched the chops off him in March. I look forward to Pac-man putting Mayweather in his box. Mayweather has a track record of avoiding people - Pacman will get him and I'm looking forward to him putting a sock in Mayweather's big mouth. Pacman has world titles at 5 different weight divisons.
Bit harsh. Whatever about his personality and attitude, he's a supreme boxer.
Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, De la Hoya, Hatton, Marquez?
I wouldn't call that ducking. The only missing names really are Margarito (cheat), Cotto (more than likely traumatised after Pac-man), Mosley and Paul Williams.
Margarito was the most overrated fighter in and around that division, haven't seen too much of Williams, in facr only one I saw was a shocking performance against a much smaller Kiwi (and smaller not just cos Williams is a freak, but lower weight class). After seeing that, couldn't believe he was being touted as pound for pound material a couple years later - I guess everyone can have their off nights though.
He should definitely have fought Mosley and should still I think, if he wants to go down as being as good as he actually is, whilst would also have liked to see him fight Cotto. The clamour to fight Pacquiao should be remembered that is relatively new - at the time of his retirement Pacquiao was in lower division and not many people were calling for that fight. When Pacman talked about fighting DLH initially he was laughed at.
Gallsman, I wouldnt give PBF too much credit for fighting Gatti, Baldomir or Hatton. Not even close to being in his league despite what the English press would have had you believe about Hatton, and the Sky commentary team. I seem to remember George Kimball writing prior to that fight saying that Hatton hadn't a snowballs chance in hell.
Rather than Hatton he should have fought Cotto or Mosley, and for me personally that will always be held against him, unless he beats Pacman and Mosely (I never thought Cotto would present the same dangers as Mosely despite Cotto beating him)
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2010/0109/iaba.html
Congrats to the Geesala boxing club in mayo who won the club of the year and the award for coaches of the year at the IABA awards last weekend. Some achievement for a tiny rural club.
Roach really rates Mosley- would have thought that would have been the next fight for Pacquiao instead of Clottey.
There's not much time for Pacman or PBF to fight Mosley now, he's 38 which is extremely old for a welterweight, its a testament to him how good he still is. I think Paul Williams is moving up to middleweight to fight Pavlik, it would be hard for him to come all the way back down to welter to fight PBF or Pacman after putting on so much muscle, so I hope Mosley is on the cards for PBF. PBF would comfortably beat him on points IMO and it would be good for his legacy.
He many of course want to fight Cotto, who would provide a decent opponent but is probably shot at this stage. I feel sorry for him with what happened v Margarito. I heard Freddy Roach saying Margaritio and/or his corner should be charged with attempted murder for what they did- I find it hard to disagree with that, definitely should face criminal charges of some description.
QuoteMosley now, he's 38 which is extremely old for a welterweight, its a testament to him how good he still is.
Or maybe its the drugs that are keeping him in shape ;)
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Gallsman, I wouldnt give PBF too much credit for fighting Gatti, Baldomir or Hatton. Not even close to being in his league despite what the English press would have had you believe about Hatton, and the Sky commentary team. I seem to remember George Kimball writing prior to that fight saying that Hatton hadn't a snowballs chance in hell.
Rather than Hatton he should have fought Cotto or Mosley, and for me personally that will always be held against him, unless he beats Pacman and Mosely (I never thought Cotto would present the same dangers as Mosely despite Cotto beating him)
Perhaps not in his league, but they were all world champions and they were fights that people wanted to see made. Having made a mockery of fighting Judah after Baldomir beat him, he had to fight him as well. Gatti was tough as nails and fighting Hatton was admittedly a money spinner. At the same time however, Hatton was undefeated and had just demolished Castillo, who gave Mayweather plenty of problems in both their fights.
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: CiKe on January 09, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
Gallsman, I wouldnt give PBF too much credit for fighting Gatti, Baldomir or Hatton. Not even close to being in his league despite what the English press would have had you believe about Hatton, and the Sky commentary team. I seem to remember George Kimball writing prior to that fight saying that Hatton hadn't a snowballs chance in hell.
Rather than Hatton he should have fought Cotto or Mosley, and for me personally that will always be held against him, unless he beats Pacman and Mosely (I never thought Cotto would present the same dangers as Mosely despite Cotto beating him)
Perhaps not in his league, but they were all world champions and they were fights that people wanted to see made. Having made a mockery of fighting Judah after Baldomir beat him, he had to fight him as well. Gatti was tough as nails and fighting Hatton was admittedly a money spinner. At the same time however, Hatton was undefeated and had just demolished Castillo, who gave Mayweather plenty of problems in both their fights.
Castillo was a shadow of his former self by the time Hatton KO'd him. In reality looking back now Hatton had only one really notable win - Kostya Tszyu.
Speaking of Hatton, he has confirmed he will fight again this year. Rumoured to be Juan Manuel Marquez. Could be fighting again at the City stadium or in Vegas. I'd imagine if it was his last, he would want it in Manchester.
Hatton would really have to start dieting now - I was shocked at how heavy he is in recent pictures - he really let himself go. Still a great lad and from all reports a real people's man with time for everyone but if you are going to remain competitive in professional boxing your weight cannot yo-yo 40 pounds between fights.
Mayweather Mosley looking more and more likely after Berto pulls out of fight with Sugar Shane due to the Haiti earthquake (lost family members).
Not happy circumstances but great fight. Let's get it on!
Quote from: The Iceman on January 13, 2010, 03:24:47 PM
Hatton would really have to start dieting now - I was shocked at how heavy he is in recent pictures - he really let himself go. Still a great lad and from all reports a real people's man with time for everyone but if you are going to remain competitive in professional boxing your weight cannot yo-yo 40 pounds between fights.
Seen him in Dicey's is Dublin over the summer, if you knew nothing about boxing and someone told you that he was a professional boxer you would laugh at them, a wee tub, drinking numerous pints of guinness.
http://www.fightnews.com/?p=35626 (http://www.fightnews.com/?p=35626)
"Ireland's" John Duddy made an impressive return to Madison Square Garden, annihilating Juan Astorga in round one. The inaptly nick-named "Aztec Warrior" took a knee a minute into the first round after Duddy (28-1, 18 KOs) bounced a right hand off his head. A left hook to the body a few seconds later dropped Astorga (14-4-1, 9 KOs) again, and this time referee Wayne Kelly waived off the bout at 1:55 seconds of round one.
No harm to John Duddy,and i hope he proves me wrong ,but he is not world title material and i don't think he ever will be.
Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
Quote from: The Iceman on January 28, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
Quote from: randomtask on January 28, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 28, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
I agree fair play to the fella.
Paul "DUDEY" Mc Closkey to Defend the European Lightwelter in Belfast in March ;)
Quote from: JimStynes on January 28, 2010, 10:53:22 PM
Quote from: randomtask on January 28, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 28, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
I agree fair play to the fella.
I would agree too. It's his job to fight where and who he is told to. Luckily for him he makes much more money than any other boxer with his limited skills. He will never be a world beater but will probably get paid as much if not more than someone who is.
Calling someone a poor boxer is not saying they are a bad person. The lad just isn't all he is is made out to be in the ring.
Anyone with half a notion about boxing can see that
any links for the Brian Magee fight?
Just to double check - Brian won?
Quote from: hardstation on January 30, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on January 30, 2010, 10:28:36 PM
Just to double check - Brian won?
He did.
Good stuff - he deserves it! - as a fighter he has always had skill, guts and perseverance... They will be dancing on the streets of Lagmore and Turf Lodge tonight!
That was a very good win for Magee,fair play to him.
Boxing thread has been dead for nearly a month so heres big Fraudley to liven it up with another comedy skit...
Audley Harrison sets sights on Klitschko brothers
Audley Harrison says he will target the Klitschko brothers if he manages to dethrone European heavyweight champion Albert Sosnowski in London on 9 April.
Harrison, 38, added that he is not interested in fighting WBA heavyweight champion and fellow Briton David Haye.
"No disrespect to David Haye, but no-one is talking about David Haye," said Harrison, an Olympic champion in 2000.
"They're all talking about the Klitschkos, so if I beat Albert, I want the Klitschkos."
Vitali Klitschko is the current WBC heavyweight champion, while his younger brother Wladimir owns the IBF and WBO belts. Either one is expected to fight Haye later this year if Haye defeats John Ruiz in April.
However, Harrison, who won promoter Barry Hearn's Prizefighter tournament last October to keep his career afloat, admitted that defeat to his Polish opponent at Alexandra Palace would end his career.
He said: "All I'm interested in at the moment is Albert Sosnowski and he will not give up that belt easily. The worst thing I could do is look past Albert. If I can't get past him then there's nothing in the future."
Harrison won gold in the super-heavyweight division at the Sydney Olympics, but four defeats in eight fights left his career in the balance before Prizefighter offered him a route back.
But Harrison admits he nearly walked away from the sport and almost gave up on his oft-stated dream of winning a world title.
"I have a personal mission to be a world champion. Call me delusional or crazy but I call it reality," added Harrison.
"When my contract with the BBC ended [in 2003] I lost my feel for boxing and the passion for boxing died. I left England and almost didn't want to box as I was that disheartened - you saw that in my performances.
"I was a shell and I had no desire. I was a totally broken man and it took a long time to recover from that. It took a lot of soul-searching and I asked myself what I wanted to do and I said to myself I wanted to achieve my goals.
"I had to lick my wounds and go back to the drawing board. Ability gets you to the top but character keeps you there.
"I had certain characteristic flaws but it's been part of my learning and journey. I wasn't ready to be the next Lennox Lewis in 2004 and it was almost a blessing that I lost as I had a chance to grow through adversity.
"I've been through so much in my career but I'm still here, still believing, still persevering and that's what character is. My moment of destiny is really close but I have a real obstacle in front of me.
"If he beats me to a pulp then I will know it's over. If Albert Sosnowski beats Audley Harrison fair and square then there will be no excuses as I'm 100% physically, mentally and spiritually ready to win.
"I want to get my London fans in their St George's T-shirts and I want to get nostalgic and hear chants of 'Audley', 'Audley', 'Audley'.
"I want to hear the fans of boxing, the fans of Audley, the fans of perseverance and the fans of overcoming adversity and get back to boxing."
Sosnowski, who is based in Brentwood, Essex, but originally hails from Warsaw, claimed the title with an emphatic points victory over Italian Paolo Vidoz in December.
But the 30-year-old is best known for a shock stoppage win against Harrison's long-term rival and current British champion Danny Williams in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8528898.stm
How the fcuk is Audley still getting coverage or even being allowed talked about alongside profressional boxers.
Haye ain't great but he'd beat the hell outta Audley
Quote from: The Iceman on January 29, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 28, 2010, 10:53:22 PM
Quote from: randomtask on January 28, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 28, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
Duddy is only there to milk the Irish American money in MSG
fair f**ks to him hes makin a livin out of it, and hes is a good lad
I agree fair play to the fella.
I would agree too. It's his job to fight where and who he is told to. Luckily for him he makes much more money than any other boxer with his limited skills. He will never be a world beater but will probably get paid as much if not more than someone who is.
Calling someone a poor boxer is not saying they are a bad person. The lad just isn't all he is is made out to be in the ring.
Anyone with half a notion about boxing can see that
how in sweet jesus is he a 'poor' boxer? The chap is ranked in the top 10 with the WBO, WBC, IBF etc... where in these rankings of the best pro boxers in the world does the description 'poor' kick in?. anyone outside the top 5 pro boxers in the world? the top 3? enlighten me please
as for milking the Irish american money in the MSG...get a life!
Not sure what provoked that reaction OGorman. You could argue Duddy is a decent fighter but id hazard a guess that iceman was saying he was a poor boxer as in his boxing skills. And from that point of view he is limited.
Even in his most recent victories he has taken a lot of punishment because of his defence or lack of it. You just have to see his face after a fight. Also this is just against mediocre opposition. You would dread to see the punishment he would take from Pavlik, etc.
Regarding your point about his ranking, Duddy has fallen out of all the top 15 middleweight rankings.
In terms of his pound for pound ranking he wouldnt make top 100 in the world.No disrespect to him because he is a brave and tough fighter and is a complete gentleman. He owes his fans nothing.
As for milking the money, of course he made the majority of his money from irish-american support in MSG! Its a pro boxers job to maximise his appeal, he is making a living just as anyone else would!!
Quote from: whiskeysteve on February 23, 2010, 09:16:35 AM
Boxing thread has been dead for nearly a month so heres big Fraudley to liven it up with another comedy skit...
Audley Harrison sets sights on Klitschko brothers
Audley Harrison says he will target the Klitschko brothers if he manages to dethrone European heavyweight champion Albert Sosnowski in London on 9 April.
Harrison, 38, added that he is not interested in fighting WBA heavyweight champion and fellow Briton David Haye.
"No disrespect to David Haye, but no-one is talking about David Haye," said Harrison, an Olympic champion in 2000.
"They're all talking about the Klitschkos, so if I beat Albert, I want the Klitschkos."
Vitali Klitschko is the current WBC heavyweight champion, while his younger brother Wladimir owns the IBF and WBO belts. Either one is expected to fight Haye later this year if Haye defeats John Ruiz in April.
However, Harrison, who won promoter Barry Hearn's Prizefighter tournament last October to keep his career afloat, admitted that defeat to his Polish opponent at Alexandra Palace would end his career.
He said: "All I'm interested in at the moment is Albert Sosnowski and he will not give up that belt easily. The worst thing I could do is look past Albert. If I can't get past him then there's nothing in the future."
Harrison won gold in the super-heavyweight division at the Sydney Olympics, but four defeats in eight fights left his career in the balance before Prizefighter offered him a route back.
But Harrison admits he nearly walked away from the sport and almost gave up on his oft-stated dream of winning a world title.
"I have a personal mission to be a world champion. Call me delusional or crazy but I call it reality," added Harrison.
"When my contract with the BBC ended [in 2003] I lost my feel for boxing and the passion for boxing died. I left England and almost didn't want to box as I was that disheartened - you saw that in my performances.
"I was a shell and I had no desire. I was a totally broken man and it took a long time to recover from that. It took a lot of soul-searching and I asked myself what I wanted to do and I said to myself I wanted to achieve my goals.
"I had to lick my wounds and go back to the drawing board. Ability gets you to the top but character keeps you there.
"I had certain characteristic flaws but it's been part of my learning and journey. I wasn't ready to be the next Lennox Lewis in 2004 and it was almost a blessing that I lost as I had a chance to grow through adversity.
"I've been through so much in my career but I'm still here, still believing, still persevering and that's what character is. My moment of destiny is really close but I have a real obstacle in front of me.
"If he beats me to a pulp then I will know it's over. If Albert Sosnowski beats Audley Harrison fair and square then there will be no excuses as I'm 100% physically, mentally and spiritually ready to win.
"I want to get my London fans in their St George's T-shirts and I want to get nostalgic and hear chants of 'Audley', 'Audley', 'Audley'.
"I want to hear the fans of boxing, the fans of Audley, the fans of perseverance and the fans of overcoming adversity and get back to boxing."
Sosnowski, who is based in Brentwood, Essex, but originally hails from Warsaw, claimed the title with an emphatic points victory over Italian Paolo Vidoz in December.
But the 30-year-old is best known for a shock stoppage win against Harrison's long-term rival and current British champion Danny Williams in 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8528898.stm
Seen that yesterday. Wild man Audley :D :D The highlighted bit is my favourite. What's the Pole like? Does Fraudley have any chance? Is this fight on Sky?
If the Pole can even lace up a pair of gloves,then Audley is in big trouble.
I shudder to think what either Klitschko would do to Harrison.
Quiet on the Pacman / Clottey fight tonight? Foregone conclusion for Pacman?? Clottley could cause problems, he is one big big welterweight and in my opinion was robbed of the decision against Cotto.
Manny on points for me. He won't have the power to fell Clottey but it should be a straightforward victory due Mannys speed (foot & hand) and Clotteys 'peekaboo' defensive style. I'm assuming Duddy is the first televised undercard fight tonight. He'l no doubt make a meal out of a shite mexican fighter, but it could be entertaining. I'm looking forward to seeing Humberto Soto in the chief support fight, a class act!
Under card fights, tasty enough looking ties:
The first of the fights will be John Duddy vs Michael Medina, this light middleweight bout sees Duddy as the strong favorite, currently he has just one loss to his record.
The next fight will be Alfonso Gomez vs Jose Luis Castillo, people may remember Alfonso Gomez from the first series of the TV Show 'The Contender', he currently holds the WBC Continental Americas Welterweight title and is the favorite for this fight, some sources are claiming that this is a title fight, however currently it is unclear.
The final undercard fight will be Humberto Soto vs David Diaz, this fight is scheduled for 12 rounds and will be for the the currently vacant WBC lightweight title, Soto is the current favorite for this fight at around 1-6, whereas Diaz is at around 4-1.
anyone know any internet links to free streaming?
Middleweight John Duddy (29-1, 18 KOs) scored a workmanlike ten round split decision over Michael Medina (22-2-2, 17 KOs). Scores were 96-93, 96-93 for Duddy, 96-93 for Medina, who was deducted a point for a low blow at the end of round eight. Duddy is now in line for a showdown with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
http://atdhe.net/8921/watch-manny-pacquiao-vs-joshua-clottey (http://atdhe.net/8921/watch-manny-pacquiao-vs-joshua-clottey)
Thats duddy fighting in yankee stadium in july,on the cotti bill
Clottey was really dissapointing Saturday night. he definately had a bit of power behind him to hurt Pacman but he never went for it at all, very frustrating to see. You may has well have been knocked out trying to win the fight than stand with your gloves covering your face and throwing the odd punch now and again. Poor stuff from Clottley, made for a one sided affair.
Duddy is not that good and i reckon would get tore apart by a really world class fighter. Why does he continue to fight nobodies??
Pacman was outstanding aswell tbf but i agree Clotty was very dissapointing. I really hope Floyd and Pacman can get a fight sorted sometime this year.
Lee, Duddy, Dunne, etc all very average fighters hyped up to the balls by Irish mediia. We are as bad as the English for hyping up our own!!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 15, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
Duddy is not that good and i reckon would get tore apart by a really world class fighter. Why does he continue to fight nobodies??
Because he is a cash cow for his promoters and fills MSG with stupid Irish (kilt wearing) Americans who think Corned Beef is the meat of choice in Ireland and every one has ginger hair
QuoteAmericans who think Corned Beef is the meat of choice in Ireland and every one has ginger hair
begorrah, seems entirely reasonable to me, and top of the morning to ya
Duddy has no great power from what I can see plus he has poor defence to be a 'world chempion', he was lucky yer man did not go for broke earlier on Sat night as when he let fly in the last Duddy was under pressure.
Quote from: JimStynes on March 15, 2010, 11:49:34 AM
Pacman was outstanding aswell tbf but i agree Clotty was very dissapointing. I really hope Floyd and Pacman can get a fight sorted sometime this year.
Lee, Duddy, Dunne, etc all very average fighters hyped up to the balls by Irish mediia. We are as bad as the English for hyping up our own!!
While true to a large extent with Duddy and Dunne, Lee is a quality boxer. The Vera fight was a complete and utter shock and while I don't think he'll ever be able to mix it with the likes of Pavlik, he's probably our best hope of a true world champion since Collins.
Quote from: heganboy on March 15, 2010, 12:44:55 PM
QuoteAmericans who think Corned Beef is the meat of choice in Ireland and every one has ginger hair
begorrah, seems entirely reasonable to me, and top of the morning to ya
We should write a book and dispel all the myths!
The funny thing now is that "real" Irish people are not as accepted anymore because we don't fit the stereotypical view Americans have.
Anyone know why the international between ireland and italy in belfast over the weekend was called off?
The italians withdrew because their best boxer lost two bouts in a few days. They claim bias judges as their boxer 'could not lose to opponents of lower class', while the Irish claim sour grapes.
Might be a bad year for Chianti.
anyone hear that andrew murray was due to box in belfast shortly and if so, when?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm)
With Mayweather agreeing to this new drug testing procedure, surely it's now up to Pacquiao to agree to the same to show he's not hiding anything and give us the fight we all want to see.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on March 18, 2010, 09:20:00 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8575568.stm)
With Mayweather agreeing to this new drug testing procedure, surely it's now up to Pacquiao to agree to the same to show he's not hiding anything and give us the fight we all want to see.
Mayweather has to beat Sugar shane first which will not be easy. Sugar Shane is a dangerous opinion and fully believes he can beat mayweather. Will be interesting to see what kind of gameplan Mosley goes into the fight with, wouldnt be overly surprised if he pulled off a win.
Very impressive display last night by Belfast boxer Martin Lindsay. the boy has a bit of class about him, hope he can get a European title challenge shortly and then who knows after that. With Bernard Dunne retiring he could be the next big thing in irish boxing??
QuoteMartin Lindsay retained his British featherweight title with a comprehensive points victory over Jamie Arthur in Leigh.
The Ulsterman dominated the fight from the opening bell, decking the challenger twice in the second round, as he moved a step closer to a European title challenge.
Underdog Arthur proved to be a worthy contender but his commitment and ambition was not enough to deal with the class of the champion, who will wonder how his opponent made it through the 12 rounds.
Lindsay, now 16-0, established himself in the opening three minutes but stunned Arthur in the second round with a right hand that dropped the challenger.
Arthur came back swinging but was caught again shortly afterwards by another right hook and the champion appeared to be in for a short night's work.
Reckless
Lindsay came out in the third looking to finish the job but he was perhaps more reckless than he needed to be and failed to land the killer blow.
To his credit, Arthur held his ground and continued to get his shots off, even though they rarely penetrated Lindsay's tight guard.
However, he probably took the fourth on work-rate alone as Lindsay appeared to be reverting to a different plan to get the Wales-based fighter out early.
But Arthur's method of attack became somewhat predictable and the 30-year-old didn't look like troubling the champion, despite his honest endeavour.
Lindsay enjoyed tremendous success in the seventh with great combinations that had Arthur reeling on the ropes, while two crunching left hooks later in the round left the challenger in doubt who was the boss.
By that time it was a question of whether Arthur would make it to the final bell, and in the end he deserved to do so after taking more of Lindsay's clinical combinations.
Heroic
The challenger was cut over the right eye in the penultimate round giving referee Richie Davies some cause for concern, but the heroic Arthur was allowed to hear the final bell, after which the judges gave Lindsay the win by scores of 118-108, 117-110 and 119-08.
"I always felt in control but you could see how fit Jamie was there and you could see what this meant to him," Lindsay told Sky Sports.
"I think the knockdown came a bit too soon and I started to go for the knockout, I got carried away, but I'm glad a went 12 rounds because I've been a bit inactive the last year or two.
"All credit to Jamie Arthur, he showed tremendous heart there.
I see Barney Eastwood has a book out, might be worth reading. The man has been involved in sport for over 60 years from Tyrone Minors in 1947 right through to his boxing management career and the highs and lows of managing Barry McGuigan. Then to cap it all Ladbrokes give him a £150m retirement cheque.
What time is the Haye fight on?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on April 03, 2010, 10:11:39 PM
What time is the Haye fight on?
Thought it was supposed to be 10
http://www.atdhe.net/
Some 1st round with Ruiz down twice, he did well to last it
Good performance by Haye, but Sky would sicken you with their glowing praise
Comfortable Haye victory. Nasty rabbit punch he threw for the second knockdown.
i see it has been announced that John Duddy will fight Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr on the 26th of June in San Antonio.
make or break time for john boy, if he ever wants to share a ring with Kelly Pavlik, he has to win.
Sure Duddy will get great support as usual but considering san antonio is so close to the mexican border and the date of the 26th of june is sandwiched by two mexican holidays i'd expect the mexicans to heavily out number the irish.
Chavez may not be the force he once was but I think Duddy is way too open for a ( Possibly former ) top class fighter like Chavez. Chavez will probably stop him.
Quote from: slow corner back on April 04, 2010, 07:49:17 PM
Chavez may not be the force he once was but I think Duddy is way too open for a ( Possibly former ) top class fighter like Chavez. Chavez will probably stop him.
What on earth are you talking about? You realise this is the son we're talking, not the legend?
Chavez Jnr. is a donkey.
Chavez jnr is a pretty average fighter who has already got a few dodgy decisions in his career, obviously down to the money men looking to exploit the name.
Both fighters are not world class but Chavez jnr is a class above anything Andy lee has shared a ring with lately and to suggest he is Irelands best hope of a world Champion is nonsense. He will be beaten by the next good fighter he fights. McCloskey, Macklin, lyndey all good become world champion if the right fights come their way. Problem is getting the right chance and not the first one that comes their way.
Holy Ghost!! Anyone just see Fraudley Harrison just then?? Getting beaten by Sprott by a few rounds and then in the 12th round A-Force throws an unbelievable left to knock Sprott spark out. He is a shocking boxer but that was an unreal punch to be fair to him!!
Not a fan but showed guts fighting with one arm for 10 rounds, took some decent shots as well. Brutal KO from a peach of a punch
Quote from: tyroneboi on April 09, 2010, 11:07:29 PM
Holy Ghost!! Anyone just see Fraudley Harrison just then?? Getting beaten by Sprott by a few rounds and then in the 12th round A-Force throws an unbelievable left to knock Sprott spark out. He is a shocking boxer but that was an unreal punch to be fair to him!!
Tremendous KO but he was minutes way from being beaten by Sprott yet again. He just got lucky. Or Sprott got sloppy. It might be enough to get him a big fight though but hard to see him troubling anyone serious including Haye.
It's very hard to judge him on that fight when fighting with one hand. I don't think he can be criticised for yesterdays performance, he found a way to win and showed heart that everyone doubted he had.
On previous form he is too gun shy to be taken seriously.
QuoteUnbeaten champion Edwin Valero has committed suicide in jail just 24 hours after admitting to killing his wife.
The 28-year-old had been staying in a hotel in his native Venezuela when he alerted security in the early hours of Sunday morning that he had stabbed wife Jennifer three times.
Valero, who successfully defended his WBC lightweight title two months ago, was detained by police and had been expected to be charged with the murder.
However, he was found by a fellow inmate on Monday morning having tied his own clothes to a bar of his cell in an attempt to hang himself.
Valero, who was on the verge of the big time following 27 successive stoppage victories, still showed signs of life but authorities were unable to revive him.
The fighter had become a household name in Venezuela but had been in trouble with the law on several occasions, notably last month when he was charged with harassing his wife and threatening medical personnel who treated her at a hospital.
Police arrested Valero following an argument with a doctor and nurse at the hospital, where his wife was being treated for a series of injuries, including a punctured lung and broken ribs.
The Attorney General's Office said a prosecutor had asked a court to order Valero to be jailed but that the judge instead placed him under a restraining order that barred him from going near his wife, a condition he repeatedly violated.
Clearly the guy is a fuckin nut case, 27 fights, 27 KO's though is impressive record regardless of who he was fighting. There was talk that he was a fight or two away from a shot at a big name ala Mayweather, Pacman. Must have been a nut-bar though, his ruthlessness in the ring seems to have went hand in hand with his personality.
I know this is a long shot but anybody have a link for watching the kessler vs froch fight online ?
Not paying 14.95 for it !
http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/s2-00000970
Try this, most of them have been taken down though
Good man !
The commentator sounds like he's from swatragh ... might have to turn down the volume on that.
Thanks again
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 24, 2010, 09:54:09 PM
Good man !
The commentator sounds like he's from swatragh ... might have to turn down the volume on that.
Thanks again
Nowt wrong with that, my ma's from there.
Aye right .... next thing you'll be telling me thon blade singin the anthem is a lady of the swaaaa as well
You watchin it ursel ? Who ya fancy ?
I'd say froch will take it on points
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 24, 2010, 10:02:08 PM
Aye right .... next thing you'll be telling me thon blade singin the anthem is a lady of the swaaaa as well
You watchin it ursel ? Who ya fancy ?
I'd say froch will take it on points
She genuinely is from keady road, swatragh
Froch on points, though maybe late ko, he hits very hard, and kessler looked worn against Ward
No harm mean't chap
Interesting enough contest so far ... think Kessler had the better start looking quicker and sharper with froch taking the last couple of rounds, froch hasn't been consistently landing but when he has landed he's been effective enough .. few nice combos in the last few rounds
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 24, 2010, 10:25:23 PM
No harm mean't chap
Interesting enough contest so far ... think Kessler had the better start looking quicker and sharper with froch taking the last couple of rounds, froch hasn't been consistently landing but when he has landed he's been effective enough .. few nice combos in the last few rounds
Not that bothered about swatragh really!!
Froch is the more concussive puncher, but Kessler is moving better and if he keeps going like this the fight is his.
did your stream just go ?
raging !
If you come across another link could you post one up pls
It bloody has!!
http://www.vip--tv.com/vip-1.php
Try this, no sound on mines though ok now
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 24, 2010, 10:39:47 PM
did your stream just go ?
raging !
If you come across another link could you post one up pls
Yeah mine is gone too. Following it on the live text on the BBC website.
http://www.justin.tv/gtxpwnz#r=S3mNQlY~
great last round !
I have that kessler by two
I'd say you're about right, Kessler has it
Good fight, scoring was a bit off from two of the judges but right decision all the same.
Prizefighter next friday, that's just a wee warm up to:
Mayweather vs Mosley - should be worth staying up for
Anyone like to tell us the decision?
Kessler won by unanimous decision, 117-111, 115-113, 116-112
cheers
Froch was very lucky to win his last 3 fights. Not good enough to cut it with the big boys.
Glad to heat that Froch was beaten,the hateful bollox.
I liked Froch but of late he has turned into a hateful bollox. He has a real fascination with Joe Calzaghe too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj7bRSz9fSA
Anyone watch the Williams vs Cintron fight ??
One of the most bizarre ends to a fight i have ever seen ... the good people on HBO have taken away any of the official footage from youtube .. the link i've pasted at the top is the best footage i can find on you tube.
Fight ended in the fourth round with Cintron falling out of the ring (jumped or tripped? I'll let you decide) he was then injured, carried off on a stretcher with doctors saying he couldn't continue.
Under normal rules (ABC) the fight would be called a no decision as the fight didn't go four rounds .. promoters issued these rules before the fight ... then all of a sudden they said (when it was clear that Cintron wasn't going to return to the ring) under californian rules the fight could be called because it had gone 3 rounds ???
Seemed like the people behind the scenes felt they needed to have a winner and decided to use Californian rules (when promoters had issued rules contrary to the californian rules prior to the fight) because it suited them.
There'll be a lot of criticism not only of the decision but also the way the ring was constructed, ropes are supposed to be tied together, that ring looked like it had a bit of paper around it which was suppose to keep the ropes together ::)
Williams is said to have been one of the most avoided fighters over the past couple of years ... that fight will have done nothing to make him appeal to the big fighters (been quite a bit of talk about him and Mayweather) ... poor fight that ended under controversial circumstances and judging by the crowd i saw on tv, lots of empty seats, Williams still doesn't appear to be the sort of draw that will get him the big fights
Looked like he took a jump. What injury did he sustain which prevented him to return to the ring? Didn't look like he could have done much damage.
He was stretchered off into an ambulance in a neck brace ... wasn't clear at the time what injury he sustained ... commentators were talking about a possible dislocated shoulder ... i think it was a case that he was seen to have hit his head and should be brought to hospital to get checked out. i didn't think it was all that serious myself but some people think his future career could be in doubt:
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=23795&more=1
That looked v dodgy. He dived through the ropes. Drogba would have been proud of that one :)
Pacquaio to have one last fight:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8677150.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8677150.stm)
Just saw this, very interesting indeed. I think it's Pacquiao's move to try and get the upper hand in making the fight happen on his terms.
If he says it's his last fight then the public demand for it to be against Mayweather will be huge. That pressure will then feed down on to Mayweather's people to set aside their demand for drugs testing.
I think the fight has to happen both camps have strong motivations to make it happen.
Mayweather if push came to shove would set aside the drug testing demands due to the $ he could make from the fight
Pacquiao, already a national hero, would be a god like figure if he beat Mayweather and became the undisputed P4P fighter of his generation.
Combine those two motivations i think the fight has to happen, only question is when ... if that article is anything to go by then it looks like it could be November. Here's hoping ....
any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
Quote from: heganboy on May 12, 2010, 02:40:44 PM
any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
Cotto is pretty top class like and has been in with a lot of good fighters, would definately go see him if I had the chance. All i really know about Foreman is that he is from isreal and think he is Isreals first world boxing champion (i think)
Quote from: heganboy on May 12, 2010, 02:40:44 PM
any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
The time to see Cotto was prior to his fight with Margarito. He's never been the same since. But in fairness who would be the same after having to fight a guy that had the advantage of having some cement in his gloves !
Still worthwhile all the same, fight's in the Yankee stadium isn't it ? That would be an interesting venue for a fight.
Would be interesting to see how Foreman gets on against Cotto, he's by far the biggest name he's ever faced.
If you don't mind me asking how much would tickets set you back ?
Determined to be there for the Mayweather vs Pacquaio shindig if the fight is made, i'd say the ticket prices will be astronomical
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 12, 2010, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 12, 2010, 02:40:44 PM
any thoughts on whether the cotto foreman fight would be worth going to? I have an option on tickets but they are pricey
The time to see Cotto was prior to his fight with Margarito. He's never been the same since. But in fairness who would be the same after having to fight a guy that had the advantage of having some cement in his gloves !
Still worthwhile all the same, fight's in the Yankee stadium isn't it ? That would be an interesting venue for a fight.
Would be interesting to see how Foreman gets on against Cotto, he's by far the biggest name he's ever faced.
If you don't mind me asking how much would tickets set you back ?
Determined to be there for the Mayweather vs Pacquaio shindig if the fight is made, i'd say the ticket prices will be astronomical
Did i read that Mayweather fight would be in Texas and not Las Vegas?
Big talk about Paquaio and Mayweather being held in The Cowboys Stadium if it were to happen.
I can't see the fight being in the Dallas for a number of reasons. Before negotiations broke down last time over the drugs testing - the venue of Dallas was a non starter for a number of reasons main one being that both fighters prefer vegas.
Perhaps if all the money in the world is thrown at them and Jerry Jones gave them the stadium for free it could happen but otherwise i can't see it.
If it was in Vegas then it would generate more hype due to tickets being so scarce and you imagine that can only boost the PPV figures. No matter what, if the fight is made i'd say all previous PPV figures would be smashed.
There's a few interesting fights this weekend:
Khan vs Malignaggi - most people would see Khan winning this on points. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen but think there is a real chance Malignaggi could cause an upset. Khan's had visa complications and had to set up camp in canada, his preparations have been far from ideal. Couple this with Khan possibly not acclimatising to his Madison Square Garden surroundings too well, then i think there is a serious prospect of an upset. Malignaggi can take some serious punishment and see out a fight, just like he did against Cotto. Even when Ricky Hatton stopped him that was only because his corner threw in the towel after they he felt he wasn't acting on instructions he could have seen out that fight easily. He's used to wars and has supposedly been looking well in his last few fights, for me Malignaggi is good value to win on points at 6/1. And i might even stick a couple of quid at 50/1, that he will stop Khan between rounds 10-12 ;D. When reading this, please also bear in mind that i really dislike Khan.
Mitchell vs Katsidis - I can see Mitchell taking this in front of his home East End ground, watch out for Gary Hobbs, Phil Mitchell (Kevin's Uncle ;) ) and Minty at ringside. If Mitchell avoids a slugfest he should take it comfortably on points with possibility of a late stoppage.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 15, 2010, 11:18:38 AM
Khan vs Malignaggi - most people would see Khan winning this on points. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen but think there is a real chance Malignaggi could cause an upset. Khan's had visa complications and had to set up camp in canada, his preparations have been far from ideal. Couple this with Khan possibly not acclimatising to his Madison Square Garden surroundings too well, then i think there is a serious prospect of an upset. Malignaggi can take some serious punishment and see out a fight, just like he did against Cotto. Even when Ricky Hatton stopped him that was only because his corner threw in the towel after they he felt he wasn't acting on instructions he could have seen out that fight easily. He's used to wars and has supposedly been looking well in his last few fights, for me Malignaggi is good value to win on points at 6/1. And i might even stick a couple of quid at 50/1, that he will stop Khan between rounds 10-12 ;D. When reading this, please also bear in mind that i really dislike Khan.
Can't agree with you here AF. Malignaggi is made for Khan, which is obviously why they've hand picked him -he's a name who will sell a few tickets, he's gutsy and durable but he can't punch. Can't see anything other than Khan on points- I have a few £ on this, odds only 5/4 but still decent value IMO -should be more like evens.
Hope Mitchell and Khan both win to set up a fight between them. Mitchell's been slagging Khan off in the press already for fighting men who won't test his chin..
Quote from: Rav67 on May 15, 2010, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 15, 2010, 11:18:38 AM
Khan vs Malignaggi - most people would see Khan winning this on points. Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen but think there is a real chance Malignaggi could cause an upset. Khan's had visa complications and had to set up camp in canada, his preparations have been far from ideal. Couple this with Khan possibly not acclimatising to his Madison Square Garden surroundings too well, then i think there is a serious prospect of an upset. Malignaggi can take some serious punishment and see out a fight, just like he did against Cotto. Even when Ricky Hatton stopped him that was only because his corner threw in the towel after they he felt he wasn't acting on instructions he could have seen out that fight easily. He's used to wars and has supposedly been looking well in his last few fights, for me Malignaggi is good value to win on points at 6/1. And i might even stick a couple of quid at 50/1, that he will stop Khan between rounds 10-12 ;D. When reading this, please also bear in mind that i really dislike Khan.
Can't agree with you here AF. Malignaggi is made for Khan, which is obviously why they've hand picked him -he's a name who will sell a few tickets, he's gutsy and durable but he can't punch. Can't see anything other than Khan on points- I have a few £ on this, odds only 5/4 but still decent value IMO -should be more like evens.
Hope Mitchell and Khan both win to set up a fight between them. Mitchell's been slagging Khan off in the press already for fighting men who won't test his chin..
To be fair to Finchey I think hes only pointing out good value rather than the likely outcome. Id agree with Finchey 50/1 for a late stoppage is good value. I think Khan will win on points or late stoppage but the value is there for malignaggi given he does have ability and heart and this is another step up for khan, who has been fed some real weak opposition in his career so far.
That boy salita was shite, kotelnik was pretty limited, barrera was done. Malignaggi is easily the best fighter khan will have faced and has skills khan wont have had to deal with yet.
Theres a slight chance Malignaggi could pull him into a real battle (as he has in his last 2 fights), 6/1 is worth a wee punt.
If Khan puts this man away in style he'll be lined up for real world class opponents, personally i think his chin will come back to haunt him when he fights the creme de la creme in and above his weight division
Khan's chin will be found out further down the road but not by Malignaggi who is powder puncher. He is durable, but I think Khan's power has come on a lot and he can get him out of there in 8-9 rounds if he really goes for it.
Salita wasn't bad, I expected him to give Khan a good fight, just a case of getting caught completely cold as happened Khan himself with Prescott. At 140lb I'd like to see Khan in with Bradley who I think would handle him reasonably comfortably. Is a fight that I don't think they would be afraid to take as Bradley isn't a puncher, but would be a definite step up.
More likely is an easy subsequent defense before possibly taking on winner of Katsidis / Mitchell?
What time will Andy Lee fight be on?
Khan fight is on ITV at 2.40am. Winder what the story is there with it being on terrestrial TV? Mustn't be proving to be a big enough draw for Sky or else they would have been all over this fight.
Mitchell blown away in 3 by Katsidis. Just overwhelmed. Don't see Katsidis beating JMM however but would like to see him rough Khan up - don't think Khan could live with his pace.
Fcuk sake missed it was just logging onto justin.tv to watch it.
Edit: Just seen the highlights - impressive stuff from Katsidis.
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 15, 2010, 10:22:04 PM
Fcuk sake missed it was just logging onto justin.tv to watch it.
Edit: Just seen the highlights - impressive stuff from Katsidis.
Have a link for the highlights?
Seen the highlights on the skysports stream on justin.tv. Kastsidis caught him well with a left and there was no way Mitchell could recover from it.
Khan stopped him in 11. Not seen it but dominated him by all accounts from the opening bell
I would not have liked to have paid in to watch Andy Lee's fight last night, awful spectacle
Stayed up for Khan fight. Never really in any doubt and Malignaggi had to convince his corner and the doctor a couple of times that he could go on before the ref stepped in. Khan got caught a few times though. Anyone know the story on how much longer Freddie roach can keep training? He looked worse than ever last night.
Katsidis was impressive, if a little ragged. Was chomping at the bit before the first bell only for the first round to be very tame. A few massive rights ended it in the third.
Quote from: CiKe on May 16, 2010, 09:07:58 AM
Khan stopped him in 11. Not seen it but dominated him by all accounts from the opening bell
Not really. The rounds were actually close enough up until about the 6th. Khan kinda took charge from then on. Mallinaggi is feather fisted.
For anyone who hasn't seen the fight before. Youtube Katsidis v Earls. amazing fight some years ago.
I watched the Lee fight on Saturday on RTE (I think?). What was the story with the panel all wearing the big ear and microphone pieces? It looked like something from the 70s. Is that for show or do they not have any modern equipment?
Here
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1072819
Mayweather vs Pacquaio has moved a step closer to happening.
Pacman has compromised and agreed to get tested 14 days before the fight.
The original negotations for the fight in March broke down when he wouldn't agree to the 14 day time frame a compromise proposed by Mayweather.
Be interesting to see what happens now ... i can't see Mayweather saying "fine, let's get this fight on" ... he is still likely to make it difficult.
Can't remember this myself, but apparently straight after the Mosley fight Mayweather said that the 14 day compromise was out the window and that Pacman would have to subject himself to the same style of testing that Mosley and Mayweather did.
Anyone watching the European Championships?
My cousin, Tyrone Mc Cullagh, secured his bronze medal today after beating ex European champ 6 -2. Marty Morrisey kept refering to him as a Donegal man when in fact he is a Derry city man boxing out of a Donegal club.
Fair play Tyrone and the other 4 lads who have secured medals for Ireland.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 09, 2010, 08:19:06 PM
Anyone watching the European Championships?
My cousin, Tyrone Mc Cullagh, secured his bronze medal today after beating ex European champ 6 -2. Marty Morrisey kept refering to him as a Donegal man when in fact he is a Derry city man boxing out of a Donegal club.
Fair play Tyrone and the other 4 lads who have secured medals for Ireland.
Some effort from the lads alright. Must be a lonely feeling in the ring once that bell goes. Fair play to anyone who can fight at that level.
Marty is fooking woeful at boxing ( and many other things!!).
Derry boxer Tyrone McCullagh in European semi-finals
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8729520.stm
Teenager Tyrone McCullagh has reached the semi-finals in Moscow
Derry's Tyrone McCullagh is sure of at least a bronze medal after winning his quarter-final at the European Amateur Championships in Moscow on Tuesday.
Nineteen-year-old McCullagh beat Azat Hovhannesyan of Armenia 6-3 on points in the 57kg featherweight category.
It was only McCullagh's second senior international fight.
Two other Irish boxers are sure of bronze - Olympic silver medallist Ken Egan in the light-heavyweight and Darren O'Neill in the middleweight.
McCullagh had earlier made a sparkling major championship debut by beating Moldovan Petr Apostol 13-2.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 09, 2010, 08:19:06 PM
Anyone watching the European Championships?
My cousin, Tyrone Mc Cullagh, secured his bronze medal today after beating ex European champ 6 -2. Marty Morrisey kept refering to him as a Donegal man when in fact he is a Derry city man boxing out of a Donegal club.
Fair play Tyrone and the other 4 lads who have secured medals for Ireland.
Sorry - but Marty's introduction to the last Andy Lee fight just summed him up as a gabshite! 'Me as a Munster Man, here in Limerick City .. for a son of Limerick ..' Bit like Angelas's Ashes without the intelligence - I'd say he's looking for a new career that one - perhaps the Brian Cody dressing down after the AIF was the final straw ..
Anyone for the Paul McCloskey fight tomorrow night? Will this Italian Lauri put up much of a showing? I wish McCloskeys career would move along a bit quicker.
So at least 5 bronze medals at these European Championship. Its simply incredible. I think RTE should be showing these 5 fights live. Boxing and to a lesser extent rugby are the only international sports we are consistently challenging the very best at and look at the difference in TV coverage. It couldn't be a class thing could it....????
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 10, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
So at least 5 bronze medals at these European Championship. Its simply incredible. I think RTE should be showing these 5 fights live. Boxing and to a lesser extent rugby are the only international sports we are consistently challenging the very best at and look at the difference in TV coverage. It couldn't be a class thing could it....????
Agree, Ireland has a great pedigree in boxing, its the one sport where we actually stand a chnace on the world stage. Even at pro level, the likes of Duddy & Lee, whatever you think of them, will probably get world title shots at some stage. Ber-nard Dunne also a World champion in recent times and hopefully McCloskey can push on this Friday night. Also, your guy, Big Bang Wilie Casey won the sky sports prize fighter the other week and looks a bit of a prospect.
Boxing in!!!!!!!
Paddy Barnes won so guaranteed at least a silver. McCullagh and Donovan lost after putting up good displays against a Brit and a Russian so they'll settle for bronze. Kenny Egan and Darren O'Neill to come later.
O'Neill beat the Bulgarian Manev 6-0. That is 2 silvers and 2 bronze.
Egan lost after building up an early lead
Anyone got a link to Dudie's fight?
thanks in advance
i read an interview in this week's Derry Post that McCloskey sais he watched DVD;s of tonights oponent and he says he will try every trick in the book, complaining to the ref about everything when its nothing - he is at it already and only 1 round gone !
Can't watch the fight here the woman has no sky... could youse keep me updated please lads???
into 10th exile. i know fcuk all about boxing, but the commentators reckon dudey's tactics are all wrong. still have him ahead 87-85
BTW, your woman used to have Sky ;)
Knock Out !!! Italian is on his hole, and still on his hole ! 40 secs into 11th round
Great knock out punch from McCloskey. Good to see.
Barnes has gold in a 4 - 1 victory. The first gold for Ireland in 19 years. Was the last gold for McCullough or a chap called Griffin who flopped at the olympics.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 10, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
So at least 5 bronze medals at these European Championship. Its simply incredible. I think RTE should be showing these 5 fights live. Boxing and to a lesser extent rugby are the only international sports we are consistently challenging the very best at and look at the difference in TV coverage. It couldn't be a class thing could it....????
Yes, boxing is not as classy as say the Eurovision Song Contest, Rose of Tralee and Kilnascully.
I seem to remember lots of promises and bandwagoning after Michael Carruth's Gold.
Paddy Barnes played to the system and I wouldn't blame him for that, but does anyone else think that that wasn't boxing. Two guys with both hands over their faces for the whole fight poking at each other. The second fight where Darren O Neill lost was far better. Two fighters laying in to each other and trying to hurt their opponent. That's what boxing should be. The scoring system is terrible. The old way wasn't perfect and we saw some terrible decisions but it didn't destroy the spirit and spectacle of amateur boxing the way this new system often does.
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 13, 2010, 01:51:39 AM
Paddy Barnes played to the system and I wouldn't blame him for that, but does anyone else think that that wasn't boxing. Two guys with both hands over their faces for the whole fight poking at each other. The second fight where Darren O Neill lost was far better. Two fighters laying in to each other and trying to hurt their opponent. That's what boxing should be. The scoring system is terrible. The old way wasn't perfect and we saw some terrible decisions but it didn't destroy the spirit and spectacle of amateur boxing the way this new system often does.
Sincere congrats to Ireland's latest European Champion ( he was wearing O'Neill's gear Tony).
Excellent performance by the Irish team all round. Great bit of redemption for Barnes after his tantrums at the Olympics.
Well done to the Irish Boxing team and a great medal haul. Fair play to all involved.
Good blog:
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,13841_6199911,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,13841_6199911,00.html)
anyone know if you can see the duddy fight anywhere later tonight
How did John Duddy get on last night?
Chavez Jr. outpoints Duddy at Alamodome
(AP) – 3 hours ago
SAN ANTONIO — Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. unanimously outpointed Ireland's John Duddy on Saturday night in a 12-round middleweight fight at the Alamodome.
Chavez (42-0-1) dominated the early part of the fight with a steady dose of hooks and jabs, but Duddy (29-2) kept the pressure on and pushed Chavez to 12 rounds for the first time in his eight-year career.
"John is the toughest fighter I've faced so far," Chavez said. "He kept the pressure on and really pushed me farther than I've been to this point in my career. But I knew coming in that he was going to be challenging, and I was happy to walk away with the victory."
Former boxing star Julio Cesar Chavez led his son into the ring to an eruption of applause. The elder Chavez then did color commentary for the pay-per-view broadcast.
The fight was Chavez's first since 10-round unanimous decision over Troy Rowlands in November that was changed to a no-contest after he tested positive for a banned substance a diuretic and was suspended for seven months by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. The fight also was Chavez's first with trainer Freddie Roach, who guides WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao.
Chavez returned to the place where he watched his father fight to a controversial 12-round draw against Pernell Whitaker in 1993.
"To fight in the same building that my father did is almost surreal for me," Chavez said. "I never thought in my wildest dreams that I'd be headlining at the Alamodome."
On the undercard, Marco Antonio Barrera (66-7) unanimously outpointed Adailton DeJesus (26-5) in a 10-round lightweight fight.
Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Anybody see the ricky burns fight last night ? if you haven't i'd recommend watching the highlights, it was a great fight.
Burns (a big outsider) went down in the 1st, before making a good recovery in the 2nd. After that it was a tight enough affair but Burns movement was more impressive and he was clearly landing more. Turning point was the 5th round Burns had that easy. But after giving his all in that round i didn't think he was going to last the distance and by the 7th round both fighters looked out on their feet.
But to their credit they kept fighting to the end. With Burns taking a unanimous decision. Two judges giving him the nod by three rounds and the other by two rounds.
Paul Mc Closkey's next fight is on the October 2nd in Letterkenny, no disrespect to Barry Morrison but Dudey should have this by the 6th/7th round. In the process i'm hoping he puts on a good show and gets the world title shot that he deserves.
The undercard for the fight is pretty good. Andy Murray vs Johnny Nolasco is chief support. I've never seen Nolasco dance but he is widely considered to be the toughest test that Murray has faced and his unbeaten record could be put to the test.
Also all the Cork based Cuban lads are on show as well, looking forward to seeing Alexei Acosta up close as he's developing a bit of a reputation as a knockout king.
Patrick Hyland is also fighting - the Dubs see this lad as their next Bernard Dunne. Coleman Barrett, a Galway lad also features on the undercard, Barrett put on an impressive display in the Heavyweight Prizefighter losing to Audley Harrison in the final.
Derry Club championship final is the next day. I'm thinking i might as well make the night of it in letterkenny and walk to Celtic Park the next day :D
Burns fight was excellent, if only he had a punch himself he could go a long way.
Yeah, he does lack that bit of firepower. Still very impressed considering he didn't blow kevin o'hara away when they fought.
There's no major fights to be made in the division he is in, although him and Jorge Solis could be a good fight and he would have a good chance of winning that.
If he moved up one division there are plenty of big names there floating about the likes of Marquez and Katsidis but i wouldn't be overly confident that he'd have much success there. If he's not showing much firepower at super featherweight then id say he would be well out of his depth at lightweight.
Yeah especially considering the likes of Katsidis are all about power and highly impressive KO ratios.
Your right the super featherweight division is lacking real quality but a few defenses of his title he can then think about were he wants to go. Warren will be rubbing his hands together after that win, the Scottish public will come out in force for Burns next fight and rightly so, very polished performance and as I said just wish he could generate more power to compliment his excellent technic and beautiful left jab.
I see David Haye will be making his second defence of his WBA title against Audley Harrison!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8968472.stm
Surely Haye should win this without much fuss? I thought his next fight was to be against a Klitschko though, if he's going to fight one of them he should be destroying Harrison.
Sky are desperately trying to hype up this Harrison v Haye fight but in truth boxing is at all time low it's only saving grace will be Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight of course the rise of UFC/MMA hasn't helped
Boxing is slowly dying and needs a major clean up - consolidate the belts and promotions to a maximum of 3 and clean up the divisions.
MMA and boxing can definitely co exist. But boxing does need better promotion and less bullshit to survive.
Harrison is way out of his league
They will never consolidate the belts, too much money at stake.
Quote from: ross4life on September 07, 2010, 05:25:18 PM
Sky are desperately trying to hype up this Harrison v Haye fight but in truth boxing is at all time low it's only saving grace will be Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight of course the rise of UFC/MMA hasn't helped
Who would want to watch this fight? Harrison simply dies not deserve a shot at a world title! He had been taking the boxing public for ride for years, claiming to a potential world champion, even after getting beaten by no hopers - I can't believe anyone would buy tickets to watch this tripe or pay for it on pay per view!!
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 07, 2010, 07:37:45 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 07, 2010, 05:25:18 PM
Sky are desperately trying to hype up this Harrison v Haye fight but in truth boxing is at all time low it's only saving grace will be Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight of course the rise of UFC/MMA hasn't helped
Who would want to watch this fight? Harrison simply dies not deserve a shot at a world title! He had been taking the boxing public for ride for years, claiming to a potential world champion, even after getting beaten by no hopers - I can't believe anyone would buy tickets to watch this tripe or pay for it on pay per view!!
I bet the British public will lap it up regardless. Sky will have it hyped up unreal, first all-British heavyweight title fight in years and all that, in reality it's a poor event but some people will buy into whatever Sky tell them. Doesn't say much for Haye either, ducking the Klitschkos again.
Yeah British public will lap it up. Always find it funny how just because a British fighter is involved means that it's on Sky Box Office while the true big fights over the past while e.g. Mayweather vs Mosley, Cotto vs Pacquiao are not on Sky Box Office. While i'd rather not have any fights on SBO at all, i'm happy with the fact that the fights that are put on SBO i wouldn't pay to see them anyway :D I thought that Amir Khan's horiffic pay per view debut may have seen the end of the pay per view for the British fighter but apparently not !
I find it pretty hard to get excited about the heavyweight division full stop these days but i'm going to try and pretend to be looking forward to it and make a prediction.
I think it will be a lot closer than the bookies are suggesting. Reckon it will go the distance with Haye out pointing Fraudley. Don't think there will be that much in it. While i wouldn't go so far as to say i was impressed by Fraudley against Sprott, no one can deny that he showed a bit of heart which is a bit of a rarity for him. Fraudley will do his best to keep Haye at bay with his jab but ultimately haye should be too quick but for him without troubling him enough to stop him.
It does make you wonder about the state of the heavyweight division when they are talking about matching the winner of this fight with the winner of the Sexton vs Chisora fight. The only heavyweight pairing that would interest me is if the Kitschko brothers renounce their brotherly love and fight each other. Would also like to see how Haye would fare against Vitali. But guess we're going to have to wait until these heavyweight battles of britain have come to an end !
While there's no way Audley deserves his title shot, he does have a dynamite left hook which always gives him a chance.
Quote from: Hound on September 08, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
While there's no way Audley deserves his title shot, he does have a dynamite left hook which always gives him a chance.
Plus Haye is a bit suspect when it comes to taking a decent punch.
Hopefully Haye challenges one of the Klitschko brothers after this, as he is still looking to retire for next Octoberish which will give him realistically 2 fights at max after this farce. He talked the talk after winning the belt, saying that he would fight who the public wanted him to fight, then he goes and fights a man recently beaten by a taxi man and a few other journeymen.
Haye's lost a lot of peoples respect im sure after taking this fight!Harrison is average at best and this is just a payday for sparring partners(i'd say the whole slagging each other things an act) and as usual haye is sure to get plenty of media attention after his "this will be as one sided as gang-rape" comment.Heavyweight has been going downhill for the past decade and looks like it will continue!
Talk about Sky and their hype machine for Box Office events, just seen an advert there for a box office event on September 18th which will have 7 fights featuring all British boxers. To tell you the truth, if they were fighting in the front garden I would close the curtains. It would be interesting to see the sales for that event. They would be bound to be making a loss on it.
As for the Haye-Harrison fight, Haye will probably want to put on a show and I can see an early knockout. Its a poor division overall which is demonstrated by the fact Harrison is getting a shot in the first place.
This Klitschko fight on now would be a good cure for insomnia. Terrible fight so far.
Should just end it now! Yer mans done! I find the Klitschkos very boring to watch though!
He is far too good for this fella who has been out on his feet for the past 4 rounds. The amount of holding onto each other is ridiculous.
Ref should have stopped that much earlier!!
No doubt poor call from the referee there. Peter's eyes were more or less closed for the last few rounds.
You's would have been safer watching the local man Brian Magee on RTE. Impressive and has a decent chance of getting a shot at the WBA titile now.
Santa, was Murray fighting on that bill last night?
Was at the Ulster Hall tonight, Carl Frampton's big night and he delivered well, stopping his man in the third
this was Barry McGuigans first as a promoter. Various local stars there and in the front row was Daniel Day Lewis. throwing every punch
Another World Title for Katie Talylor.
Nrico great performance alright once again by Katie Taylor. I have to say I think its a disgrace the lack of meaningful coverage of this excellent achievement.
Couldn't get the RTE player to work in the north for the Taylor fight, had to make do with these highlights.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9004226.stm
Video isn't great, and the local Barbadian commentators aren't the easiest to understand!
Taylor is surely one of Ireland's top sportspeople at this stage. Thee titles on the trot is something else.
I watched that coverage as well, the sound of the comentator laughing everytime Taylor landed a good punch was unusual they were a bit to laid back for me. One of the top irish sports stars of the presenr, no doubt. Well done Katie!
Fantastic performance by Katie especially after such a tough semi final. We're lucky to have her
Congratulations to katie! That was some left hook she threw in the second round nearly buckled Dong. The commentators are hilarious!
RTE should get those lads to replace Jimmy Magee and Dave Boy McAuley for their coverage!
Only seeing the Enzo Maccarinelli knockout from a few weeks back there now. Absolutely brutal. How the ref let it go on after the first knockdown beggars belief.
About two mins into the 7th round:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKrDN33nl8
It was a disgrace - the ref should never have let it go on..... theres boys who have never recovered from shots like that
Maccarenelli the twat is considering continuing. He's suffered four brutal knockouts in the last two and a half years.
Talk of Khan being lined up to fight PBF next year. I can't wait for Khan to fight the top men in his division, been pretty good so far at fighting fighters way past their best and way put of their weight class (MAB), or fighters who are bascially not top bracket (Malignaggi & Kotelnik). Also, why hasn't he tried to avenge his 1st round KO, I thought most fighters liked to avenge their defeats? This fella Khan is fighting next has a tremendous record, but I wonder what the quality of opposition was. Anyway, if he has anything like the power his record suggests, then Khan could be kissing the floor again. He can only go on for so long before someone hits that glass jaw of his.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 29, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Talk of Khan being lined up to fight PBF next year. I can't wait for Khan to fight the top men in his division, been pretty good so far at fighting fighters way past their best and way put of their weight class (MAB), or fighters who are bascially not top bracket (Malignaggi & Kotelnik). Also, why hasn't he tried to avenge his 1st round KO, I thought most fighters liked to avenge their defeats? This fella Khan is fighting next has a tremendous record, but I wonder what the quality of opposition was. Anyway, if he has anything like the power his record suggests, then Khan could be kissing the floor again. He can only go on for so long before someone hits that glass jaw of his.
Look up Maidana Vs. Victor Ortiz on YouTube. It was on the undercard of the Pacquiao-Cotto fight and was an absolute war. If Khan gets hit flush he could be gone. If he keeps his head and boxes he should win.
Talk of fighting PBF is scandalous. Nowhere near that level. Sky would be all over it though so it might sell lots in Britain, only way it will happen.
Quote from: gallsman on September 29, 2010, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 29, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Talk of Khan being lined up to fight PBF next year. I can't wait for Khan to fight the top men in his division, been pretty good so far at fighting fighters way past their best and way put of their weight class (MAB), or fighters who are bascially not top bracket (Malignaggi & Kotelnik). Also, why hasn't he tried to avenge his 1st round KO, I thought most fighters liked to avenge their defeats? This fella Khan is fighting next has a tremendous record, but I wonder what the quality of opposition was. Anyway, if he has anything like the power his record suggests, then Khan could be kissing the floor again. He can only go on for so long before someone hits that glass jaw of his.
Look up Maidana Vs. Victor Ortiz on YouTube. It was on the undercard of the Pacquiao-Cotto fight and was an absolute war. If Khan gets hit flush he could be gone. If he keeps his head and boxes he should win.
Talk of fighting PBF is scandalous. Nowhere near that level. Sky would be all over it though so it might sell lots in Britain, only way it will happen.
Maidana's KO's....should be a good fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD-CQ39tr0Q
Maidana is definitely no soft touch. He is a scrapper and he can certainly bang. Khan has a chance if he boxes as mentioned but I think Maidana will be too relentless and finally answer our prayers and KO Khan
Just watched that KO. That was horrendous, he could barely put his hands up and the ref let him take three or four punches more. If he's considering fighting on, tis already too late for him, had the sense knocked out of him a while back it would seem...
There is simply no way PBF fights Khan. No one in their right mind would pay top money to see such a 1 sided fight
Very polished performance from McCloskey tonight. Who will be next for him?
What is with all the boxing on RTE in the last couple of years. Pro boxing live from Letterkenny. Its not Vegas is it?
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 02, 2010, 11:28:45 PM
What is with all the boxing on RTE in the last couple of years. Pro boxing live from Letterkenny. Its not Vegas is it?
Always thought Las Vegas was in the Hills of Donegal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVu9z8Kwis&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVu9z8Kwis&feature=player_embedded)
Have any of yous seen this before - is it real?
Rafael Marquez vs Juan Manual Lopez tonight. Think Marquez probably getting on and expect Lopez to be too powerful, although if he can't take him out, then Marquez has the skills to get the decision. Have a few quid on 3rd and 7th round stoppages (Lopez)
Rogan won in first round. Next stop Vegas.
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2010, 10:41:48 PM
Rogan won in first round. Next stop Vegas.
Is that a boozer in Glenavy?
Damn, Marquez corner threw in the towel after round 8. Didn't see it, but a war apparently.
Big Bang gave Hylands some beating at the weekend. Casey is like a terrier, attacks relentlessly with constant big shots. Next up is Kiko.
anyone any links for pacman fight??
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 14, 2010, 01:41:55 AM
anyone any links for pacman fight??
Not on til 2am
http://www.firstrow.net/sports/boxing-wwe-ufc.html
Gonna be well over a stone in weight between these 2 tonight but still fancy Pacman. Hope he knocks out the cheating bastard.
I know f**k all about boxing but even though he is great - how can Pacman beat this man. He's six inches taller and a stone heavier. I'm staying up to watch it because from what I hear, Pacman will win.
I'm locked by the way.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 03:00:18 AM
I'm locked by the way.
Good man Seanie. What time is the main fight on - is it after this Cordoba fight?
Seems not. This other one to get out of the way now. Hope its overs soon, I'm buckled and the fridge is near empty.
I don't think this will go all the way, these lads are really going at it
Good fight this but gonna pan out soon
Do I sniff corruption coming?
Joke decision. Boxing is moe corrupt than GAA refereeing and thats saying something.
I guess I'm the only dope still awake watching this stuff.
No you're not. I'm hoping for an early stoppage for Pac Man. Want to go to bed!
Links????????????????
Still here alright. That last fight was very good but terrible decision. I think this is gonna be a long one, it better be good enough to keep me awake!!
do you have a link claw
First to PacMan.
First to Pac, second very close, probaby just edged by Margo
Agree, 3rd to Manni.
Third for PacMan. Second was even enuff.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 14, 2010, 04:56:11 AM
do you have a link claw
I'm watching it on sky sports but try this one, not sure if it works
http://atdhe.net/index.html
Third to Manny
Great round for Manny.
Manny turning the screw, won that easily. This fight could end in the next few
How slow does Margo look Geoff!!
Quote from: The Claw on November 14, 2010, 05:11:43 AM
How slow does Margo look Geoff!!
Think Manny makes him look even slower than he is!
4-1. Marg is trying but is outclassed
Manny just needs to stay off the ropes. Won that one too. He's some fighter. The speed an accuracy is something else.
Pacman is unreal
Marg is class but Manni is a different class.
Have to give that to Marg. Did a lot of work coming forward.
Better from Marg but I'd still give that one to Manni
Me too. The Sky guy has it right.
Manni won that one for sure.
6-1 Pacman. Valiant effort from Marg
Yeah. Could be over in a few rounds now
Great round of boxing. The closest in a while but still taken by Pacman
Manni looked a bit shook there.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on November 14, 2010, 05:27:19 AM
Manni looked a bit shook there.
Dunno how he's standing after that one
Marg is a ballsy ****. Great round, could go either way. Maybe Pacman got it.
Good round for Pac. As Khan says he just needs to keep moving and pick him off.
I make it 8-1. Marg's eye is huge!!
Just stuck a few sausage rolls in the oven
He took a battering there.
Devastating from Pacman, Marg won't go down but the referee could end it soon
It's done
Yeah no point in this fight continuing
Margarito is a champion in my eyes. But Pacman is just ridiculous.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 05:39:36 AM
Margarito is a champion in my eyes. But Pacman is just ridiculous.
IMO Marg got the beating he deserved. But he has shown a lot of guts
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 05:39:36 AM
Margarito is a champion in my eyes. But Pacman is just ridiculous.
He's the only boxer I'd stay up to watch till 5 in the morning!
Ditto
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 05:39:36 AM
Margarito is a champion in my eyes. But Pacman is just ridiculous.
Margarito is a cheating bastard, ruined Cotto's career I think and could have killed him. But he was gutsy tonight admittedly.
Quote from: Rav67 on November 14, 2010, 05:50:03 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 05:39:36 AM
Margarito is a champion in my eyes. But Pacman is just ridiculous.
Margarito is a cheating b**tard, ruined Cotto's career I think and could have killed him. But he was gutsy tonight admittedly.
Sorry. I was just talking about tonight. Cheating like what he did previously is scummy beyond belief.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 03:00:18 AM
I know f**k all about boxing but even though he is great - how can Pacman beat this man. He's six inches taller and a stone heavier. I'm staying up to watch it because from what I hear, Pacman will win.
I'm locked by the way.
Poor Haye gets slated for giving away about ten foot and 50 stone to Valuev and Pacman is praised for conceding a few inches and a locka pounds.
Just watched there now. Pacman was brilliant. He is so accurate and fast it didn't matter how big his opponent was. Why did marg continue to allow manny to keep moving to his left and onto his stronger hand?
Get the mayweather fight sorted ta f**k
Mayweather is a fantastic boxer with great skills but i don't think he could handle Manny.He is absolutely lethal.His hand speed is fantastic and he makes every shot count.Margarito showed lots of bravery but took a terrible beating.
I'd say mayweather is every bit a match in terms of speed and I'd say he is more skilful. Manny would have the advantage of a stronger hand I'd say but I think mayweather would shade it. I would be a classic
Quote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
I'd say mayweather is every bit a match in terms of speed and I'd say he is more skilful. Manny would have the advantage of a stronger hand I'd say but I think mayweather would shade it. I would be a classic
Self praise is no recommendation.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
I'd say mayweather is every bit a match in terms of speed and I'd say he is more skilful. Manny would have the advantage of a stronger hand I'd say but I think mayweather would shade it. I would be a classic
Very tough to call, but I think I agree. Manny has never seen the defensive skills that Mayweather brings to the table
What happened between Margarito and Cotto? What did Margarito do? Seems to get a lot of bad press for it.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 14, 2010, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 14, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
I'd say mayweather is every bit a match in terms of speed and I'd say he is more skilful. Manny would have the advantage of a stronger hand I'd say but I think mayweather would shade it. I would be a classic
Self praise is no recommendation.
I blame the touch screen
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
What happened between Margarito and Cotto? What did Margarito do? Seems to get a lot of bad press for it.
He put some sort of material like plaster of paris in his gloves and made bits of Cotto's face. Disgraceful. Its possible that he had it for other fights as well but no one knows.
Did you see him joking about it too in training when they sellotaped a concrete block to his hand and they were all laughing. Glad manny busted his face right. Manny definately took it easy on him in the last two rounds too cos of those cuts
Quote from: The Claw on November 14, 2010, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
What happened between Margarito and Cotto? What did Margarito do? Seems to get a lot of bad press for it.
He put some sort of material like plaster of paris in his gloves and made bits of Cotto's face. Disgraceful. Its possible that he had it for other fights as well but no one knows.
His trainer was caught before the Mosley fight putting illegal pads in the gloves. There's no firm evidence that there was anything in his gloves for the Cotto fight. The chances are there was though.
Either way he's a cheating p***k and got what he deserved last night.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on November 14, 2010, 01:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Claw on November 14, 2010, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 14, 2010, 12:09:33 PM
What happened between Margarito and Cotto? What did Margarito do? Seems to get a lot of bad press for it.
He put some sort of material like plaster of paris in his gloves and made bits of Cotto's face. Disgraceful. Its possible that he had it for other fights as well but no one knows.
His trainer was caught before the Mosley fight putting illegal pads in the gloves. There's no firm evidence that there was anything in his gloves for the Cotto fight. The chances are there was though.
Either way he's a cheating p***k and got what he deserved last night.
Agreed!As regards Mayweather and Pacquiao i always thought Mayweathers defence would see him win but the more time goes on the more i feel pacman could beat him,so quick, powerful and accurate and Mayweather hasn't had a good fight in 2 or 3 years!
anyone know if there is any downloads of the pacman fight knocking about?
Fantastic fight- Manny is up there with the best that there have ever been. Would love to see him and Mayweather fight but don't know if it will ever happen
Quote from: Declan on November 15, 2010, 08:31:19 AM
Fantastic fight- Manny is up there with the best that there have ever been. Would love to see him and Mayweather fight but don't know if it will ever happen
I think it will happen, the two fighters will not want to retire without facing each other as they will be spending the rest of their lives being asked who was the best, and the simple way of ensuring their legacy will be to face each other.
Was there not footage online last week with Margarito's coach and the rest of the crew mocking Freddie Roachs condition? Glad to see him battered.
What's up with Freddie Roach?
Parkinson's.
Hadn't heard that though his speech and movement would have suggested something along those lines for quite a while
Quote from: JimStynes on November 14, 2010, 09:01:22 PM
anyone know if there is any downloads of the pacman fight knocking about?
any links about? fierce amount of wrongly titled clips on youtube
cheers
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=G1LIQIV7
What do you make of Pacman applauding his opponent during the fight?
Quote from: Doogie Browser on November 15, 2010, 01:31:46 PM
What do you make of Pacman applauding his opponent during the fight?
I Dont think he be's applauding at all, i think its a habit thing, ive often seen him punch his 2 gloves togther during a fight. You cant say he has poor gamemanship or anything like that, against Margarito and Cotto inabout the 10th and 11th rpunds he has looked at the refs as if to say "Can you stop this, the man has taking enough of a beating". He showed mercy to Margarito in round 12, as he says himself, he doesnt want to see anyone get badly hurt in boxing.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on November 15, 2010, 01:31:46 PM
What do you make of Pacman applauding his opponent during the fight?
i think he was applauding alright but in no way did i think it was due to cockiness etc I think Manny loves the sport of boxing and was actually applauding on occasions when he was either hurt or caught by some skilful combinations by Margarito. I see nothing wrong with that...
Quote from: lurganblue on November 15, 2010, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on November 15, 2010, 01:31:46 PM
What do you make of Pacman applauding his opponent during the fight?
i think he was applauding alright but in no way did i think it was due to cockiness etc I think Manny loves the sport of boxing and was actually applauding on occasions when he was either hurt or caught by some skilful combinations by Margarito. I see nothing wrong with that...
Nor me, but it was a few times after he did this that he got caught, he obviously had the fight won in his mind to do that.
Will Mayweather vs Pacman happen now? PBF has pending court trails and facing over 30 years in jail apparently if convicted :-\
I would love the pacman mayweather fight to happen so much. I reckon Mayweather from a year or 2 ago would definitely have won but now i am not so sure how it would go. He is the sort of boxer who keeps himself in shape even when not training for a fight but he might just be too ring rusty by the time the fight happens. If this fight does happen it would surely be one of the biggest fights in boxing history. I don't know who i would want to win either, i love both boxers but i love supporting the villain (mayweather) in fights.
just watched the jones fight on sky there now against some mexican lad, how he got awarded the fight i will never know, stole it
I suspect Mayweather wants none of Pacman but he also knows he can't dodge it and retain credibility. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Quote from: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 10:14:46 PM
just watched the jones fight on sky there now against some mexican lad, how he got awarded the fight i will never know, stole it
The same happened with Paul Williams getting a decision not so long ago and is now pretty commonplace. An up-and-coming fighter with a bit of a name will get the benefit of any shred of doubt as they want him to win and make sure the next big-bucks fight will happen. The guy Jones pretty much already had a fight lined up in the UK after this one which Bob Arum was talking about pre-fight on Saturday. I think it is clear that the judges did not want to scupper the UK fight by Jones getting defeated. It's a bit of a farce but this kind of thing happens so often now it isn't surprising.
Quote from: Rav67 on November 16, 2010, 07:19:28 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 10:14:46 PM
just watched the jones fight on sky there now against some mexican lad, how he got awarded the fight i will never know, stole it
The same happened with Paul Williams getting a decision not so long ago and is now pretty commonplace. An up-and-coming fighter with a bit of a name will get the benefit of any shred of doubt as they want him to win and make sure the next big-bucks fight will happen. The guy Jones pretty much already had a fight lined up in the UK after this one which Bob Arum was talking about pre-fight on Saturday. I think it is clear that the judges did not want to scupper the UK fight by Jones getting defeated. It's a bit of a farce but this kind of thing happens so often now it isn't surprising.
thanks for that Rav, I would never have twigged on that, just shows you money talks any language, bit of a ball buster for the lad who lost though but that's business eh
I see Vitali is offering Haye a 50/50 split and he will fight him anywhere. Hopefully this is set-up, Vitali wants to fight him first as he reckons Vladimir will kill Haye. I think its more a case that Vitali knows that Haye will take Vlad, who has a suspect chin and has been found out before against explosive fighters like Haye.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2010, 10:57:15 AM
I see Vitali is offering Haye a 50/50 split and he will fight him anywhere. Hopefully this is set-up, Vitali wants to fight him first as he reckons Vladimir will kill Haye. I think its more a case that Vitali knows that Haye will take Vlad, who has a suspect chin and has been found out before against explosive fighters like Haye.
Which of the Klitschos is the better one? Would they never fight each other??
Vitali would have been considered the superior before he retired - but he's 39 now and has had several major injuries and has a tendency to cut. A lot.
Wladimir has been exposed on several occasions as having a weak chin if he gets caught, most notably against a journeyman South African called Corrie Sanders who was pretty old when he knocked him out.
They've vowed never to fight each other.
I see Margarito needs eye surgery after the battering Pacman gave him. This Mexican bravado thing goes too far. Freddie Roach is 100% correct when he says that it's a corner's duty to protect their fighter. If the ref wasn't going to do it they should have thrown in the towel.
I see Manny was unable to hold a pen after the fight and he was unable to sign autographs.
Quote from: Sandino on November 16, 2010, 11:42:44 AM
I see Manny was unable to hold a pen after the fight and he was unable to sign autographs.
Broken hand??
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Quote from: Sandino on November 16, 2010, 11:42:44 AM
I see Manny was unable to hold a pen after the fight and he was unable to sign autographs.
Broken hand??
No, he was still wearing his gloves.
Mayweather has to take this fight otherwise he has to have an asterisk on his undefeated record. He can stall and balls about waiting for Manny's power to wane but it could be a long wait. De La Hoya hopes to get it set for next year - will be some purse to split for that one if it happens!
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I see Manny was unable to hold a pen after the fight and he was unable to sign autographs.
Broken hand??
No, he was still wearing his gloves.
Mayweather has to take this fight otherwise he has to have an asterisk on his undefeated record. He can stall and balls about waiting for Manny's power to wane but it could be a long wait. De La Hoya hopes to get it set for next year - will be some purse to split for that one if it happens!
Could be a good year next year with Haye fighting one/two Drago's and Manny losing to Money. Vitali is the better fighter but as mentioned he hasn't been
as good since he returned and I suppose thats his age catching up with him.
Can't wait to see Khan fighting somebody decent either, look forward to see them tapping his temple and seeing him breakdancing again.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
Can't wait to see Khan fighting somebody decent either, look forward to see them tapping his temple and seeing him breakdancing again.
Maidana certainly has the punch to be able to make that happen.
Do you think Audley took a fall in the 3rd. Watched video online and Haye appeared to Nod and say "Now" before throwing a combination that dropped Audley for the first time..... Audley was always going to lose so he may have took the fall and had some money on the fight with Haye.......
Quote from: The Iceman on November 16, 2010, 02:46:55 PM
Do you think Audley took a fall in the 3rd. Watched video online and Haye appeared to Nod and say "Now" before throwing a combination that dropped Audley for the first time..... Audley was always going to lose so he may have took the fall and had some money on the fight with Haye.......
No.
I'm surprised that he didn't actually drop after the nod! A total excuse of a boxer who in no way deserved a shot at a world title. As was mentioned earlier, in comparison to the Pacman or even Willy Casey fights, this was a joke of a spectacle. Those bastards at Sky marketing earned their bonuses this year for sure!
Quote from: screenmachine on November 16, 2010, 03:20:33 PM
I'm surprised that he didn't actually drop after the nod! A total excuse of a boxer who in no way deserved a shot at a world title. As was mentioned earlier, in comparison to the Pacman or even Willy Casey fights, this was a joke of a spectacle. Those b**tards at Sky marketing earned their bonuses this year for sure!
The Willy Caset and Paul Hyland fight was 4 rounds of complete battering, 2 men, really good boxes, going toe to toe. Its what the crowd wants to see. Worth checking the fight out on you-tube, puts the heavyweights to shame.
I thought it was more a case of Willie Casey using Hylands as a punch bag for 4 rounds.
Hylands didn't box too bad although it was clear that Casey was just that bit better. Casey looks like the kind of boy you could hit with a hammer and he'd still come back at you!
Quote from: screenmachine on November 16, 2010, 05:28:01 PM
Hylands didn't box too bad although it was clear that Casey was just that bit better. Casey looks like the kind of boy you could hit with a hammer and he'd still come back at you!
Exactly, i though Hylands was boxing well, he looks tidy, Casey just that bit better but also remeber that he took the fight with Casey on 2 weeks notice.
If Casey can come through Kiko Martinez next, which should be a good one, then id love to see a showdown with Carl Frampton. Frampton was in Limerick watching the fight last week so id say he has his eye on Casey.
Quote from: The Iceman on November 16, 2010, 02:46:55 PM
Do you think Audley took a fall in the 3rd. Watched video online and Haye appeared to Nod and say "Now" before throwing a combination that dropped Audley for the first time..... Audley was always going to lose so he may have took the fall and had some money on the fight with Haye.......
Just after seeing the video.
Definately looks as if he said 'now'.
Very dodgy stuff but not that suprised given his opened admission of betting on the 3rd round.
I just wonder if Audley had £3million on the 3rd round...........
I watched it again and thought Audley looked like he couldn't be bothered getting hit any more and just fell over to stop it...
Taking a dive would explain a lot. Someone has to have been having a laugh with that fight.
True Stories : Tyson on tonight on More4 at 10pm.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
I watched it again and thought Audley looked like he couldn't be bothered getting hit any more and just fell over to stop it...
Taking a dive would explain a lot. Someone has to have been having a laugh with that fight.
Maybe youve already seen this but check this out even though its from the sun
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3229460/Moments-before-Audley-Harrison-hit-the-canvas-did-David-Haye-call-Now.html
I'm not an expert lip reader but that was definitely more than one word he mouthed...
I don't believe for a second it was rigged. Harrison has continually looked like a chump, taken a pounding and somehow come back into the public profile. He is exactly what the media wants / needs and they build him up.
He is still a terrible boxer. I would go as far as saying he is a pathetic boxer. He does not have the heart for it.He sums up what a farce heavyweight boxing actually is and Haye is a joke who has lost any credibility he had for having fought him too.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2010, 10:11:16 PM
I'm not an expert lip reader but that was definitely more than one word he mouthed...
I don't believe for a second it was rigged. Harrison has continually looked like a chump, taken a pounding and somehow come back into the public profile. He is exactly what the media wants / needs and they build him up.
He is still a terrible boxer. I would go as far as saying he is a pathetic boxer. He does not have the heart for it.He sums up what a farce heavyweight boxing actually is and Haye is a joke who has lost any credibility he had for having fought him too.
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Disagree with this completely. Haye took the fight because it was easy money. A lot of money.
Haye is a quality, quality boxer - technically superior to either of the Klitschkos. He's incredibly fast and his movement is excellent. However, he's still small for a heavyweight and will rightly earn plaudits if and when he fights either of them.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2010, 10:11:16 PM
I'm not an expert lip reader but that was definitely more than one word he mouthed...
I don't believe for a second it was rigged. Harrison has continually looked like a chump, taken a pounding and somehow come back into the public profile. He is exactly what the media wants / needs and they build him up.
He is still a terrible boxer. I would go as far as saying he is a pathetic boxer. He does not have the heart for it.He sums up what a farce heavyweight boxing actually is and Haye is a joke who has lost any credibility he had for having fought him too.
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Disagree with this completely. Haye took the fight because it was easy money. A lot of money.
Haye is a quality, quality boxer - technically superior to either of the Klitschkos. He's incredibly fast and his movement is excellent. However, he's still small for a heavyweight and will rightly earn plaudits if and when he fights either of them.
As well as that, it was afight that the British public wanted to see hence the sell out MEN and box office figures so I also say fair play to Haye for taking the fight, he had a lot more to lose than Harrison but gave the public what they wanted (even if it did turn out to be commode).
The british boxing marketing machine is in full swing. haye has had 4 fights at heavyweight. Monte Barret - Valuev - John Ruiz and now the joke of the lot Fraudley.
He hasn't even fought an Arreola or Adamek or Peter level of heavyweight.
Either Klitschko will pound him
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 17, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
The british boxing marketing machine is in full swing. haye has had 4 fights at heavyweight. Monte Barret - Valuev - John Ruiz and now the joke of the lot Fraudley.
He hasn't even fought an Arreola or Adamek or Peter level of heavyweight.
Either Klitschko will pound him
Haye would destroy the likes of Peter.
He not only beat Ruiz - he stopped him, which not many people do.
He beat Valuev (not so sure about it myself but he was given the decision regardless) - I didn't see Wladimir wanting to touch Valuev when he was champion. Was it Ibragimov or Chagaev who beat him?
Haye will give either Klitschko an excellent fight and is perfectly capable of beating either of them.
2 things about ruiz. he was a smaller heavyweight which suited haye and he was also bordering on shot. hence he retired after the fight.
Chagaev beat Valuev. I wonder was it a case of Wlads handlers ducking the beast or the other way around? Not a bum but a marketable freak of nature nevertheless rather than a top heavyweight. And he took Haye all the way.
So at most 2 semi credible heavyweight victories IMO, as Public Enemy would say don't believe the hype.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 17, 2010, 04:45:07 PM
2 things about ruiz. he was a smaller heavyweight which suited haye and he was also bordering on shot. hence he retired after the fight.
Chagaev beat Valuev. I wonder was it a case of Wlads handlers ducking the beast or the other way around? Not a bum but a marketable freak of nature nevertheless rather than a top heavyweight. And he took Haye all the way.
So at most 2 semi credible heavyweight victories IMO, as Public Enemy would say don't believe the hype.
True, but other than himself and the brothers, who would you consider "credible"? What "credible" fights have either of the Klitschko's taken other than Vitali fighting Lewis? You can only fight what's available and only if it's for the right money. Haye ducked nobody at cruiserweight and ended up unifying the division. In doing so he got up off the seat of his pants, in Paris, to beat Mormeck and then absolutely annihilated Maccarinelli - who has been a shell of a fighter ever since.
You look at the Valuev fight and say he "took him all the way." I think it's more appropriate to consider the fact that Haye managed to beat a fighter a foot taller than him to whom he was conceding something like seven stone. Also, Haye had him wobbling in the last round of that fight.
Yes, Ruiz was small for a heavyweight - didn't stop him causing many superior athletes and fighter plenty of problems though.
I would give Hayes victory over Ruiz the most credit of his heavyweight fights but I still think Ruiz was tailor made for him and on the way out.
One of the main reasons Ruiz presented problems was he because he was one of the most ultra negatives hoors to ever lace on a pair of gloves, he was also a tough fcuker to give him his due. So I think it was more a case of that he was hard to beat rather than being dangerous.
There are some mid level heavyweights like Arreola, like Chambers and like Adamek who I like to see Haye beat before we can talk about him beating a Klitschko.
Fighting Valuev had Haye near exhausted. The bigger man started to crumble in the last round himself though. I would see either Klitschko dragging Haye out to sea so to speak and having the discipline to stay away and not give an opening. Either has the jab to keep him at range and hurt him. Late stoppage to follow. It would have the same crushing inevitability as all their other recent fights, if they fought the fight on their terms of course, which is all they have done in recent years.
Arreola and Peter are both dung. I'd like to see Haye fight Adamek as well, but Adamek's heavyweight opposition hasn't been inspiring either. Both men can punch, but Haye faster and harder hitting, has the edge.
Haye has more than a punchers chance against Wladimir, due to a combination of his speed and Wlad's dodgy chin, but it should be remembered that Wlad has a super stiff jab. He keeps that in Haye's face all night and follow's up with his straight right often enough and it could be a painful night for Haye. If given the chance I would expect him to finish it, but he won't go looking for a KO and get caught.
Vitali vs Haye probably much the same but Haye would have better chance of winning on points than against Wlad as I don't think he can take him out, but speed will trouble Vitali.
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Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 17, 2010, 04:45:07 PM
2 things about ruiz. he was a smaller heavyweight which suited haye and he was also bordering on shot. hence he retired after the fight.
Chagaev beat Valuev. I wonder was it a case of Wlads handlers ducking the beast or the other way around? Not a bum but a marketable freak of nature nevertheless rather than a top heavyweight. And he took Haye all the way.
So at most 2 semi credible heavyweight victories IMO, as Public Enemy would say don't believe the hype.
True, but other than himself and the brothers, who would you consider "credible"? What "credible" fights have either of the Klitschko's taken other than Vitali fighting Lewis? You can only fight what's available and only if it's for the right money. Haye ducked nobody at cruiserweight and ended up unifying the division. In doing so he got up off the seat of his pants, in Paris, to beat Mormeck and then absolutely annihilated Maccarinelli - who has been a shell of a fighter ever since.
You look at the Valuev fight and say he "took him all the way." I think it's more appropriate to consider the fact that Haye managed to beat a fighter a foot taller than him to whom he was conceding something like seven stone. Also, Haye had him wobbling in the last round of that fight.
Yes, Ruiz was small for a heavyweight - didn't stop him causing many superior athletes and fighter plenty of problems though.
Why fight Adamek, Arreola or Peter? Hardly top level Heavyweights and what would he achieve from fighting them? Those are the kind of fighters that you would
usually have to beat to climb up the latter for a shot at a title, but Haye is already up there and sits at the top of the tree with the two Klitschko's.
The Heavyweight division has been poor for the past 10 years or more, so I don't get why everyone reckons the two Klitschko's are so good. Yes they have the big advantage in their size, but as boxers none can match Haye in what many regard as the two most important attributes to have - speed and power. We all try and presume what will happen between Haye and one of the brothers, that they will go out and use their jab all night long to keep Haye away and either win at the end of on points. Do you not think that Haye and his camp will be aware of how the tactics the Klitschko's are likely to employ? Haye is not easily hit himself and seems to have an undeserved reputation surrounding his chin, but he has only ever been down a few times in his career. Haye will have his own gameplan that will be methodically drawn up and nobody will know what it is, he could go straight out and try and finish it early by going for the jugular and making life uncomfortable for whatever brother he is fighting right from the start, but I can't really see him employing tactics that will play into their hands.
Did any of you watch the docu on Tyson the other night. He was brutaully honest which made the documentary really despairing to watch. It was obvious to see once more how positive or negative experiences in a childs life either makes or breaks him as a human being. I found it truely sad to watch.
Quote from: shawshank on November 18, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
Did any of you watch the docu on Tyson the other night. He was brutaully honest which made the documentary really despairing to watch. It was obvious to see once more how positive or negative experiences in a childs life either makes or breaks him as a human being. I found it truely sad to watch.
didn't see it but i remember hearing somewhere that he was a quiet child who loved pigeons and kept them. Then one day the local neighbourhood bully killed them and tyson destroyed him an then took up boxing. Is that correct?
I watched it and it does sadden you, especially when you see the fighter he ended up from the fighter he was in his pomp when he won the title against Berbick. Really sad seeing how he finished against McBride and even the Buster Douglas fight, he just didn't seem to care and didn't put in the preparation as a result. It had clips of him dishing out an 8 second knock-out at the Junior Olympics and also footage of him being dropped in sparring before the Douglas fight. Some of the clips showing him training in his early days were unreal, there was one where he was weaving and throwing combos flat out, it really shows realistically how fast he was. You can see the speed of the top boxers when they are in the ring but you never appreciate how quick they are, but seeing him doing that exercise really showcased it. It would have been interesting to see how his career would have panned out if Cus had lived longer.
Tyson was and you could strongly argue, that he was more intimidating than Foreman. How many boxers were beaten before they stepped into the ring with him or beaten in the first few minutes in the ring prior to the fight start just by his intimidatory personna. he was simply sensational in the period from he was 19 until he was 22, unstoppable. It seemed from the documentary and by his own admission that cus was the only person who he trusted, and that he would have done anything for, even all these years later he was holding back the tears when he was talking about him. If only cus had of been around him for another, say even 5 yrs, we would be talking about the greatest of all time.
His childhood was one of fear, lived in neighbourhoods where death was a a good luck penny away. His mother, did I hear that right, she was a prostitute and that was sex was all around him. He fell into gangs and was lifted by the cops at 12, he had 1500$ in his pocket, were talking 1979/80.
I think the argument for Tyson's greatness and the would he/could he? questions will still be discussed and debated for years after we're all dead and gone.
One thing is certain - he had raw talent and ability and was wonderful to watch. He made boxing for me growing up and was one of the reasons I ever pulled on a pair of gloves. Managed to get hold of a bootleg of all his fights on about 7 different DVDs off Ebay about 5 years ago and I think I've watched them through about 10 times.
Boxing lost its glory in the last ten years and there haven't been enough personalities or big fights to inspire the masses. With the emergence of MMA it has further slipped down the slope. Packy brought some spark back to things but he is one of only a few that I would actually pay to watch......
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Quote from: shawshank on November 18, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
Did any of you watch the docu on Tyson the other night. He was brutaully honest which made the documentary really despairing to watch. It was obvious to see once more how positive or negative experiences in a childs life either makes or breaks him as a human being. I found it truely sad to watch.
didn't see it but i remember hearing somewhere that he was a quiet child who loved pigeons and kept them. Then one day the local neighbourhood bully killed them and tyson destroyed him an then took up boxing. Is that correct?
When and which channel was this programme on?
Maybe its available on Iplayer?
I think it was wednesday night on more4. Have never used 4OD but maybe something on that?
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tyson/4od (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tyson/4od) I think that is it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 20, 2010, 08:41:17 PM
I think it was wednesday night on more4. Have never used 4OD but maybe something on that?
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tyson/4od (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tyson/4od) I think that is it.
Thanks for that
Decent performance from Andy Murray there, nice touch from Lacerda raising Murray's hand at the final bell & giving him Latin American belt.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on November 20, 2010, 11:22:21 PM
Decent performance from Andy Murray there, nice touch from Lacerda raising Murray's hand at the final bell & giving him Latin American belt.
Aye very nice touch in fairness
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 20, 2010, 08:41:17 PM
I think it was wednesday night on more4. Have never used 4OD but maybe something on that?
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tyson/4od (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/tyson/4od) I think that is it.
Thanks for that
Thats a brilliant show. Really enjoyed it. It is sad aright, but I was surprised at how likeable and vulnerable Tyson comes across. Hes profound in places too, capable of being a wild animal, but theres a lot more to him than that.
Martinez beat Williams in two with one punch KO. Sickening, he was out before he hit the deck and face just smashed into canvas. I hope he is ok
CiKe, just watched that fight on youtube there. Was half tempted to stay up and try get it online, glad i didn't. If anyone is interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZl3h37mEis (Skip to 10.30 if you're only interested in the knockout)
These two provided one of the best fights of 2009, 12 rounds of action, Williams took a majority controversial decision. With one a piece, you'd think there could be a trilogy on the cards but martinez has his eyes set on PBF now.
The fight last night was expected to go the distance and once again be a close affair. But since their first fight Martinez has been in the ascendancy after getting off the deck to beat Pavlik back in April, while Williams was involved in one of the most farcical fights (although not as farcical as the Fraudley vs Haye debacle, that sets the benchmark for farces !) i have ever seen back in May when he fought Cintron. I posted on here about it at the time and it still is the most bizarre ending to a fight i have ever witnessed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQA-uznuHk
Fight ended in the fourth round with Cintron falling out of the ring (jumped or tripped? I'll let you decide) he was then injured, carried off on a stretcher with doctors saying he couldn't continue.
Under normal rules (ABC) that fight would be called a no decision as the fight didn't go four rounds .. promoters issued these rules before the fight ... then all of a sudden they said (when it was clear that Cintron wasn't going to return to the ring) under californian rules the fight could be called because it had gone 3 rounds ???
It's clear which fighter out of Williams and Martinez benefited most from their last fight. However, didn't think the fight would last two rounds. Williams didn't find his rhythm for the whole four rounds of the Cintron debacle and wasn't allowed to find any rhythm in this fight either with Martinez landing a couple of hefty blows in the first. After that fight Williams is now the undisputed middleweight king. I'd still find it hard to envisage Martinez causing PBF much trouble. There's no way Mayweather would leave himself as exposed as Williams did last night.
I haven't been on here in a while so brief mention about last week, Fraudley vs Harrison was an absolute disgrace, I was never in any doubt about who would win but i thought there might have been some resemblance of a contest. But you can't legislate for a guy not wanting to fight, throwing one single punch in 3 rounds of boxing. At the end of the fight with haye giving it a bit of yada yada about backing himself for round 3 I was starting to think they were in cahoots.
I would have lost complete faith in boxing if it hadn't been for the fights early the next morning. There were two great fights on that billing. The headliner Margarito vs Pacquiao was a great fight. If there was ever one guy i'd love to see take a pounding it's Margarito, what he did in my opinion is the most vile act a boxer could ever commit. He didn't deserve to get his shot. There's no doubt in my mind that he got away with his plaster of paris handwraps against Cotto. Cotto has never been the same after that fight ..... Anyway, Margarito sustained some amount of damage in the Pacquiao fight, he fractured his right orbital bone and after the fight it wasn't clear whether he would have been able to fight again. He had surgery on it and it was successful. Pacquiao eased up in the last two rounds, i remember him glancing at the ref in the 11th. After the fight I was reading that he said to the ref at that point "His eyes, his bloody face ... take a look at that". I think Margarito's career would have been over had Pacquiao wanted to finish him. Wish he had i'd backed him to stop Margarito in the 10th & the 11th !
But the fight of the night i felt was on the undercard, Mike Jones vs Jesus Soto Karass. Unbelievable fight. Been trying to find highlights on the internet but as of yet have had no joy. If anyone has a link for the highlights, please let me know. Jones took the fight on majority decision, i think Soto Karass was robbed. Round of the fight was the second round, Jones unleased a hail of punches, i remember the stats after the round had him throwing over 100 punches, landing 60 compared to something like 5. Karass withstood some punishment that round and it became clear that Jones had punched himself out. I felt Karass took enough of the subsequent rounds to justify a decision but Jones was awarded a majority decision.
Not that much to look forward to boxing wise for the rest of the year - think Marquez vs Katsidis which is next weekend could be the pick of the bunch. Katsidis' brother, a well known Australian jockey, was found dead last month. So his preparations are bound to be impacted considerably. I'd imagine marquez, one of the few guys to blot Pacquiao's copybook, would take this on decision.
Couple of potentially great scraps tonight, Froch vs Abraham and Marquez vs Katsidis. First one could potentially go either way but fancy Abraham, possibly by stoppage. Froch has some chin and stamina but little defence which I think swings it against him versus a puncher like Abraham. Second one might be interesting early on. Like Katsidis a lot, but see Marquez tatooing him with combinations to stop him in 9 or 10.
First and foremost - please post any links you have for the froch vs Abraham fight !
Looking forward to the Marquez vs katsidis Fight. Think it should be a great great fight.
In fairness Froch vs Abraham should be a great fight as well. Always feel bad for Froch for a number of reasons ... the way he's been shunned by the british media. He should be getting more exposure, he's never ducked anyone and i think he deserved a crack at Calzaghe and i think he really would have put it up to him but guess we'll never know. Would like to see him win this fight but not sure if he can. From what i've seen of Abraham he normally gets off to a slow start before making the most of his power late on in the fight. Would hope that Froch can outbox him for the initial rounds and then keep him at bay during the later rounds with his superior reach but i think Abraham might stop him.
Similarly i'd like to see katsidis beat Marquez but can't see it happening. Ultimately i think Marquez will be too clinical and accurate for Katsidis, i can't see him giving Katsidis the window of opportunity to increase his impressive knockout record.
katidis' brother died last month and that must have hampered his preparations, i know you could say that he may use that as inspiration in the ring and it may galvanise him.
that could be the case, trying to think of fighters that have suffered a bereavement before a fight. cus d'amato died shortly before Tyson became heavyweight champ and speaking of Tyson, his most shocking defeat came to buster douglas (he was 33/1!) and his mother died shortly before that fight. So perhaps it might give that katsidis that bit of fire that might propel him to victory, would love to see him win it.
Jeez Froch's bird is doing my head in, does she ever shut up !
Froch destroying him here so far, if he stays on his feet he wins. Seems fresher than Abraham as well.
Expected Abraham to make a slow start but he doesn't seem likely to awaken from his slumber anytime soon ... fair play to Froch, he seems to have done his homework here. Can't see Abraham mustering up the energy to land a knockout blow at this stage.
Have i spoke to soon, most action from abraham in ten seconds than he's shown the rest of the fight !
Christ, nothing short of a beat down. I expected a great scrap but Froch boxed beautifully didn't give him a look in. Hit him hard and often to the body and took the wind out of his sail, such that he could never get going. Abraham obviously thought he could just walk him down because he had no other plan, but he must have underestimated Froch's power.
Can't give Abraham a round can you?
No possibly the 1st, but even the 12th when he showed that bit of revival.
cut that last post short as they were about to announce the scorecards - see two judges gave a whitewash and the other gave abraham one round. Fair play. He's fighting Abraham again ? Jees Abraham is going to have to mix it up a bit next time if he's going to have any chance next time.
No I don't even think could give him that! The judge who gave him a round shouldn't get another fight! Unbelievably disappointed in that fight. You can't accuse Abraham of lacking guts, but he looked like he was beaten and knew it from a long time from the end - hardly landed a punch.
Did they say he is up next again? Who is the other semi final? Ward and who? I mean Taylor, Dirrell and Kessler are all gone! I've not see much of Lucian Bute but he's meant to be very good, get him in there.
If it is Froc Abraham again, Abraham's best hope is to come out firing from round 1 and see if he can get an early KO. He doesn't hae the skills to outbox him, and tonight showed that Froch has the power to keep him off. Though, how he didn't go down from some of those body shots I do not know.
Glen Johnson, had forgotten he came in and beat Green. Def looks to be Froch Ward then.
No agree completely with the whitewash was just going to say that even when he showed that wee spark of revival in the 12th that i still had froch ahead in that round. bit disappointed as was hoping for a bit more of a contest.
Did a double just before it kicked off - Froch to win on points (2/1) and Marquez to win on points (5/2) pays close to 10/1. No doubt i'll get down by the later fight. I don't mind getting let down if it's the result of a Katsidis win ... just hope that Marquez doesn't stop Katsidis !
Just saw your last posts there, yeah you'd imagine it'll be Froch Ward. In a strange way for the next fight will be a reverse of this one, the next one the early knock out will be feared rather than the knockout in the later rounds. So could see Froch just keeping him at bay with the jab in the initial rounds and then trying to press home in the later stages.
Marquez vs Katsidis sounded like an absolute cracker ... slept through my alarm and didn't wake up for it. Also see my bet was chinnned ! Not good.
just watched that katsidis marquez fight early this evening, thats as good as I've seen in a while, katsidis gave it everything, but marquez is clinical he has 3 and 4 punch combos that just do not miss, unreal. Then I went and had a look back then at the marquez pacquiao fights, draw and a split decision? you'd have to call manny lucky twice, if he doesnt get the PBF fight then you'd have to say the money would be on round III with Marquez.
Yes, fantastic news on the boxing front on the BBC, Audley Harrison is boxing on, cant wait until his next fight ::)
Quote from: Square Ball on December 01, 2010, 03:23:01 PM
Yes, fantastic news on the boxing front on the BBC, Audley Harrison is boxing on, cant wait until his next fight ::)
Yeah should be a belter :D
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Quote from: Square Ball on December 01, 2010, 03:23:01 PM
Yes, fantastic news on the boxing front on the BBC, Audley Harrison is boxing on, cant wait until his next fight ::)
Yeah should be a belter :D
That buck couldnt receive enough belts!
Well he won't be belting anyone else if that last fight is anything to go by!
he blamed the ref for his defeat as he stopped the fight to early as he was about to get into his rhythm. also stated that this style was unique. Will I suppose only throwing 1 punch is unique
I'm at the Ulster Hall for the Frampton fight. Sitting front row is Mickey Harte with Barry McGuigan
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2010, 07:12:47 PM
I'm at the Ulster Hall for the Frampton fight. Sitting front row is Mickey Harte with Barry McGuigan
Let us know how it goes
Mickey knock out Barry in the first!
i would say Frampton will finish it within 3 rounds, was half way through typing this when Framptton really shook him
i've seen frampton twice now. maybe not great oppostion but you just know he's got the makings of a good one
Quote from: Abble on December 03, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
i've seen frampton twice now. maybe not great oppostion but you just know he's got the makings of a good one
Larry Reilly could take him
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2010, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: Abble on December 03, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
i've seen frampton twice now. maybe not great oppostion but you just know he's got the makings of a good one
Larry Reilly could take him
could he make the weight
Quote from: hardstation on December 03, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: Abble on December 03, 2010, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2010, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: Abble on December 03, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
i've seen frampton twice now. maybe not great oppostion but you just know he's got the makings of a good one
Larry Reilly could take him
could he make the weight
He just has to go on the 'Caveman diet'........."basically anything that a caveman would eat", according to The Jackal.
No. He wouldn't make the weight. But would you like to be the one to tell him?
Frampton was obviously up against very little and it is very early in Framptons career but to me he looks like a guy he could go very far. In some shape and looks to have some serious power in those punches
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 03, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: Abble on December 03, 2010, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on December 03, 2010, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: Abble on December 03, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
i've seen frampton twice now. maybe not great oppostion but you just know he's got the makings of a good one
Larry Reilly could take him
could he make the weight
He just has to go on the 'Caveman diet'........."basically anything that a caveman would eat", according to The Jackal.
No. He wouldn't make the weight. But would you like to be the one to tell him?
aye why not
Quote from: armagho9 on December 03, 2010, 09:55:07 PM
Frampton was obviously up against very little and it is very early in Framptons career but to me he looks like a guy he could go very far. In some shape and looks to have some serious power in those punches
thats the scary thing, you can just see the power in some of them punches and its tidy boxing too, something very precise about how he goes about it, tight
As they say you can only beat whats in front of you! Carl has some power behind those punches! Very focused and should do well. Hope Barry keeps him on track for some big titles next year.
Willie Casey will beat the shite out of the wee p***k next year hateful wee whore that frampton
You know the lad Frampton? why are you being so hateful towards him? I hope its got nothing to do about where he's from.
Casey vs Frampton would be a cracker I would imagine! Two explosive characters to say the least...
Quote from: screenmachine on December 04, 2010, 06:42:08 PM
Casey vs Frampton would be a cracker I would imagine! Two explosive characters to say the least...
Went to Framptons last fight in the Ulster hall, didn't get last night but im mighty impressed with him. Its a good division at the moment with plenty of potentially great match ups.
Would also like to know what Yogibears beef is with Frampton?? Seems likable enough in interviews and is supposably getting married to a girl from west Belfast so he cant be that bad considering he is a sticky bun ;D
Pisses me off no end the cocks that come on here and make judgements like that when they don't know the person. This twat d obviously does not know how boxing works in Ireland. Carl is a gent, i've known him many years. His friendships through boxing for Ireland are a testament to how the boxing community have got on regardless of where you are from. Yogi must be a bigot! otherwise explain your post
Well maybe he'll explain what he has based his post on. I'll hold judgement till then
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2010, 10:17:52 PM
As they say you can only beat whats in front of you! Carl has some power behind those punches! Very focused and should do well. Hope Barry keeps him on track for some big titles next year.
True, he looks the real deal and their is some potential great fights domestically out there as well as Kiko floating about.
On another note, I hope to god 2011 eventually has a match up involving some of the big 3 'Irish' from the Irish Middleweight scene.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2010, 07:08:43 PM
Pisses me off no end the cocks that come on here and make judgements like that when they don't know the person. This t**t d obviously does not know how boxing works in Ireland. Carl is a gent, i've known him many years. His friendships through boxing for Ireland are a testament to how the boxing community have got on regardless of where you are from. Yogi must be a bigot! otherwise explain your post
In fairness Milltown we all do that. I'm sure you can through your posts and see assessments you have made of people in the public eye in many sports who you don't "personally know"....
talk of Casey against Rigondeaux? For those of you haven't seen him this guy is a ghost, one of best amateur fighters Cuba has ever produced, multiple Olympic/world titles, from what I have seen, as good if not better than Kindelan was. He beat Ricardo Cordoba (bernard dunne's victim when became wrld champ) after only 7 pro fights! He is not young at 30 but I'm looking forward to see this guy in some crackers over the next couple years
His post iceman was based on where the lad was from. Not interviews he has done or from knowing him. But thats ok with some posters on here. some would even defend it!
Apparently the Rigondeaux - Cordoba fight was an absolute cracker. Some bloody strange scoring though!
judge: Nelson Vazquez 117-109 | judge: Ruben Garcia Dr. 114-112 | judge: Raul Caiz Sr 112-114
so it was based on what hardstation? unless he comes on and state his reason i'll think what i want
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2010, 08:25:51 PM
so it was based on what hardstation? unless he comes on and state his reason i'll think what i want
you can think what you want but don't put words to his posts and label the lad as a c**k because thats what you think he was implying.....
When he comes on and makes a valid reason as to why he called him a "hateful wee ****" then i'll think what i want. I've asked him but he has not bothered posting.
But do you not see the folly of your argument....
You're a w**ker because you called my mate a w**ker because you called my mate a w**ker.....and on and on and on.....
Make your judgements on Carl Frampton who'll be on the late late show tonight
yes you are right. same as if you came on here as a hateful wee cnut from the Glen road.
Shane not the best boxer. Carl looked nervous but came across well. All he wants is a shot at a title. Casey is the one who he may avoid for a bit till he has more fights. I hope the world title fight is against Casey. Would be great for Ireland boxing
Quote from: hardstation on December 10, 2010, 10:35:42 PM
Carl Frampton came across well. Those McGuigans sicken my shite.
Hun lover.
Tony stop being a twat :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2010, 11:44:33 PM
Tony stop being a t**t :D
Aye he did come across well. Could he not have belted Daniel O'Donnell?
Majella Could have done with a belt "i'm buying dress at 300 Euro"
What a thing to say during the Republics troubled times ;D ;D
what time is the Khan fight on at?
not on till 4.00am!!
the fights have started on sky now though, some cracking bouts so far
Will these be repeated on normal Sky Sports during the week? Also, when will the Klitchko fight be scheduled again?
Bantamweight tournament starts tonight as well, the two fights could be crackers.
Can't take to De Gale at all, hope he loses
Quote from: hardstation on December 11, 2010, 09:08:50 PM
I take it they're all PPV?
try this Hardstation
http://www.chavster.org/
Running fine here, DeGale in the 5th (well thats what i backed)
Boxing is so fixed!! that guy blattered him for 12 rounds and still lost!! Macklin should be embarrassed big time after winning that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2010, 09:56:24 PM
Boxing is so fixed!! that guy blattered him for 12 rounds and still lost!! Macklin should be embarrassed big time after winning that
As in Sepp?
thought that was a strange decision by the ref to stop that one
Stayed up and watched the Khan fight, what a great fight it was, he showed some balls to come through that one although if i didnt have him backed i would probably say he should have been beat.
Did anyone see the Ortiz fight, had him backed too, how f**king frustrating was that, all he had to do was fart and he would have fell in the third.
Khan showed guts and class. However it's surely a worry that he can be so superior in a fight and only win it by an aggregate seven points across the three cards.
He won't fight Pacquiao - Roach trains the two of them and they're current sparring partners. The calling out of Mayweather is ridiculous. Khan got tagged umpteen times by a brave, tough and powerful, but in the end limited fighter. Someone like Mayweather would slice him open and gets hit so rarely (by far the best defensive fighter on the planet) that Khan would struggle to get at him at all. Mayweather doesn't have to go looking for knockouts - he'd comfortably win on points or by referee/corner stoppage in my head at the minute.
Hope Khan's team set up a unification fight with the winner of Bradley-Alexander. I reckon Bradley will take it and would probably take Amir too. He's definitely improved since Prescott but has a long way to go before he considers looking at Floyd.
Quote from: gallsman on December 13, 2010, 01:25:28 PM
Khan showed guts and class. However it's surely a worry that he can be so superior in a fight and only win it by an aggregate seven points across the three cards.
He won't fight Pacquiao - Roach trains the two of them and they're current sparring partners. The calling out of Mayweather is ridiculous. Khan got tagged umpteen times by a brave, tough and powerful, but in the end limited fighter. Someone like Mayweather would slice him open and gets hit so rarely (by far the best defensive fighter on the planet) that Khan would struggle to get at him at all. Mayweather doesn't have to go looking for knockouts - he'd comfortably win on points or by referee/corner stoppage in my head at the minute.
Hope Khan's team set up a unification fight with the winner of Bradley-Alexander. I reckon Bradley will take it and would probably take Amir too. He's definitely improved since Prescott but has a long way to go before he considers looking at Floyd.
True. I hear Amir saying he wants to fight Floyd in a few years when they are both at their peak, he seems to be trying to take the sly options by fighting the like of Floyd when he is finished in the same way as he fought an old MAB who was at too high a weight. Khan looks mangled today, and as pointed out Maidana has a big punch but is not near the best in terms of technical ability. Both Bradley and Alexander would beat Khan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/dec/13/amir-khan-floyd-mayweather-fight
Khan telling a few fibs yesterday morning apparently saying he wasn't hurt in the 10th and new exactly where he was the entire time - Roach has admitted he considered throwing in the towel and between the 10th and 11th Joe Cortez reminded him that it was his duty to protect him.
If Khan can't get a fight arranged against Bradley/Alexander I think Maidana deserves a rematch. I don't think the result would be any different but it would be interesting to see if Roach can cool Khan down again - he must have been seething when he saw Khan trying to trade blows after getting rocked.
I just watched the 10th round on youtube there and he did very well to survive it. If he wasn't beside the ropes when the initial punch landed he would have been on his ass.
Finally got to see the Khan fight on Sky sports tonight. was a classic fight that rolled back the years! khan has certainly improved his chin has to be a rematch after this fight?
Everyone getting carried away with Khan's victory over Maidana. A good win but he will be found out when he fights someone top drawer who is well equipped technically. I love the way he keepes saying he wants to fight Mayweather in a few years 'when they will both be at their peak'. He would run a mile if the fight was made now, he is trying to catch the like of PBF when he is on the way doen, the same way he got MAB.
I agree. Khan has improved and is a good boxer now but he was a lucky boy to make it through the 10th round the other night. It could easily have been another defeat on his record. He beat a good boxer the other night but he is nowhere even near the standard to mentioned in the same sentence as Mayweather. The bloody English would sicken you, they seem to forget that their savour, Ricky Hatton, got taught a hard lesson against Mayweather. Saying that, Khan is still only 24 and has plenty of time on his side to improve into a world class boxer. But he is going to be hit a few more times like the other night and against better fighters he will be stopped, could you imagine Pac Man letting him survive that 10th round?
Quote from: JimStynes on December 17, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
I agree. Khan has improved and is a good boxer now but he was a lucky boy to make it through the 10th round the other night. It could easily have been another defeat on his record. He beat a good boxer the other night but he is nowhere even near the standard to mentioned in the same sentence as Mayweather. The bloody English would sicken you, they seem to forget that their savour, Ricky Hatton, got taught a hard lesson against Mayweather. Saying that, Khan is still only 24 and has plenty of time on his side to improve into a world class boxer. But he is going to be hit a few more times like the other night and against better fighters he will be stopped, could you imagine Pac Man letting him survive that 10th round?
No way, he reminds me of Bernard Dunne in the way that you were always waiting for him to go down at some stage in each fight. Against the top drawer boxers, Khan will not make it to the 12th. I don't care what anyone thinks, he still has a glass jaw and it will be exposed again soon.
Bit of a disgrace again for Boxings reputation at the weekend in light of Hopkins not getting the decision. How the hell can you not win a fight when you have scored higher on the judges cards? Disgrace.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2010, 02:01:39 PM
Bit of a disgrace again for Boxings reputation at the weekend in light of Hopkins not getting the decision. How the hell can you not win a fight when you have scored higher on the judges cards? Disgrace.
Boxing has a reputation that can be disgraced??
Former british boxing heavyweight Gary Mason died today in a motorbike accident.
R.I.P.
Vitali to fight Odlanier Solis. Quality, quality amateur who topped the great Felix Savón to the extent that he had to be asked to step aside in 2000 to let Savón go for his third gold. Unbeaten in 17 as a pro although admittedly not up against much.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9357810.stm
Duddy vs Lee supposedly set for Mar 12th in Connecticut
QuoteDuddy vs Lee supposedly set for Mar 12th in Connecticut
Lookiing forward to that one if true
Would be an even enough matchup between the two of them.Both of them in my opinion are short of world title standard but i reckon it would be a good scrap all the same.
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 13, 2011, 08:49:08 AM
Would be an even enough matchup between the two of them.Both of them in my opinion are short of world title standard but i reckon it would be a good scrap all the same.
I think Lee has the potential its just that he needs to start facing a higher standard of opponent. Been looking forward to a Duddy/Lee fight for years.
Dudey against Khan ?
The thought of it makes my mouth water. This really would be some event.
I don't want to talk about it too much in the event that it doesn't happen. But I can just imagine the Irish taking over Manchester on the weekend of the 16th of April.
It's been a while since Dudey has been the underdog in a fight , last time i can think of was when he fought Colin Lynes for the British title. He took that fight at two weeks notice. But i have no doubt that it would bring out the best in him.
Id always thought Khan would avoid Dudey as in my eyes too much risk for him and not much reward and i just hope he's not talking this fight up in a bid to put pressure on Peterson make a deal.
Dudey would give him one hell of a fight !
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
Quote from: The Iceman on January 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
dudey is his nic name,your thinking of duddy!
Quote from: The Iceman on January 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
Im not so sure Iceman, I watched all the Khan fight against Maidana and he did fight very well in parts but i thought he was running for around the last 4 rounds. He was very lucky wasnt knocked out in the 9th or 10th i think it was, done well to stay on his feet in the end up. I think McCloskey would actually be to smart for Khan, seems to lack it a bit upstairs IMO Khan. Also, in his last fight he was punching his gloves together above his head like Pacman.....what a parasite I thought, stop copying someone else, that was really annoying me, he done it around 2 or 3 times. >:(
Quote from: The Iceman on January 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
:D :D You've shown yourself to be a clown by the first line of your post. You clearly know nada ... I'm annoyed i'm even responding to you. If it happens, and i'm not convinced it will, Khan will be tested and will have it far from easy.
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
:D :D You've shown yourself to be a clown by the first line of your post. You clearly know nada ... I'm annoyed i'm even responding to you. If it happens, and i'm not convinced it will, Khan will be tested and will have it far from easy.
I'm a clown for not knowing McCloskey's nick name was Dudey? Fair enough. Can't imagine how anyone would make the mistake of mixing up John Duddey with Dudey but whatever.....
I still think Khan is too much for him. Would be the Prince and the Pocket Rocket all over again (seeing as we're talking in nick names here).
I certainly don't think Khan is a world beater, I think he believes his own hype and is too confident. He is a decent fighter, and will be exposed sooner rather than later by world class opposition, not McCloskey.
Have been at a couple of McCloskey's fights. not overly impressed with him tbh. I hope he proves me wrong and he knocks Khan out.
Bit like Milltown Row, I've not been overly impressed though heard very good things. He is an awkward bugger though so could make things interesting. After seeing some of the shots Khan took against Maidana, I'm not so sure Dudey can really really hurt him, but I do think his stamina is maybe questionable.
Someone mentioned Peterson. Lamont or am I missing something? Big one for Khan is winner of Bradley v Alexander. Certainly against Alexander Khan would fancy his chances given respective fights against Kotelnik.
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
:D :D You've shown yourself to be a clown by the first line of your post. You clearly know nada ... I'm annoyed i'm even responding to you. If it happens, and i'm not convinced it will, Khan will be tested and will have it far from easy.
I'm a clown for not knowing McCloskey's nick name was Dudey? Fair enough. Can't imagine how anyone would make the mistake of mixing up John Duddey with Dudey but whatever.....
I still think Khan is too much for him. Would be the Prince and the Pocket Rocket all over again (seeing as we're talking in nick names here).
I certainly don't think Khan is a world beater, I think he believes his own hype and is too confident. He is a decent fighter, and will be exposed sooner rather than later by world class opposition, not McCloskey.
There was the mention of fighting Colin Lynes for a British title in my post as well ... Considering John Duddy has been based in New York his whole professional career, i thought it was clear i wasn't chatting about him. I just felt that as it appeared you didn't know McCloskey or his career that well, i didn't think you should be making the judgement that Khan would beat him "easily" but that's just my opinion ...
MR - Dudey would say himself that he wasn't at his best the last few fights. He's going to be a massive underdog for this fight, if it happens, but i think that'll bring out the best in him.
Would agree with Cike, he'll make it awkward for him and that'll be the key to challenging him. While he's won the last number of fights by knockout, no one is going to argue that McCloskey has explosive power, but at the same time he's no pillow puncher and given the opportunity i think he could sting Khan on a couple of occasions.
Ideally I would have liked to see him get one more fight before he fought any of the elite of the division. Would have loved to see McCloskey fight Paul Mallignagi in NY. i think not only would Dudey beat Mallignagi but the fight would be a big draw and have raised McCloskey's profile no end. I think Mallignagi has now stepped up to welter so don't know if that would even be a possibility anymore.
Ultimately, I would love to see Dudey get this fight with Khan because i'm starting to worry if he will not get a shot. People don't expect him to win, i think given the opportunity he will put up a great fight. I just hope Khan isn't using McCloskey as bait to help him make his first choice fight (Lamont Peterson), i listened to the radio interview last night and that's how it came across at times in the interview. Fingers crossed it happens, go on Dudey lad.
Quote from: CiKe on January 14, 2011, 06:47:47 PM
Bit like Milltown Row, I've not been overly impressed though heard very good things. He is an awkward bugger though so could make things interesting. After seeing some of the shots Khan took against Maidana, I'm not so sure Dudey can really really hurt him, but I do think his stamina is maybe questionable.
Someone mentioned Peterson. Lamont or am I missing something? Big one for Khan is winner of Bradley v Alexander. Certainly against Alexander Khan would fancy his chances given respective fights against Kotelnik.
McCloskey is a tough, awkward bugger who would probably survive against Khan but probably wouldn't have the offense to put him in too much trouble. If Khan boxed clever and aim to win on points he should win it.
Has to be unification against Bradley/Alexander winner. Would heavily fancy Bradley against Khan and would prob give Alexander the nudge as well.
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 14, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
:D :D You've shown yourself to be a clown by the first line of your post. You clearly know nada ... I'm annoyed i'm even responding to you. If it happens, and i'm not convinced it will, Khan will be tested and will have it far from easy.
I'm a clown for not knowing McCloskey's nick name was Dudey? Fair enough. Can't imagine how anyone would make the mistake of mixing up John Duddey with Dudey but whatever.....
I still think Khan is too much for him. Would be the Prince and the Pocket Rocket all over again (seeing as we're talking in nick names here).
I certainly don't think Khan is a world beater, I think he believes his own hype and is too confident. He is a decent fighter, and will be exposed sooner rather than later by world class opposition, not McCloskey.
There was the mention of fighting Colin Lynes for a British title in my post as well ... Considering John Duddy has been based in New York his whole professional career, i thought it was clear i wasn't chatting about him. I just felt that as it appeared you didn't know McCloskey or his career that well, i didn't think you should be making the judgement that Khan would beat him "easily" but that's just my opinion ...
MR - Dudey would say himself that he wasn't at his best the last few fights. He's going to be a massive underdog for this fight, if it happens, but i think that'll bring out the best in him.
Would agree with Cike, he'll make it awkward for him and that'll be the key to challenging him. While he's won the last number of fights by knockout, no one is going to argue that McCloskey has explosive power, but at the same time he's no pillow puncher and given the opportunity i think he could sting Khan on a couple of occasions.
Ideally I would have liked to see him get one more fight before he fought any of the elite of the division. Would have loved to see McCloskey fight Paul Mallignagi in NY. i think not only would Dudey beat Mallignagi but the fight would be a big draw and have raised McCloskey's profile no end. I think Mallignagi has now stepped up to welter so don't know if that would even be a possibility anymore.
Ultimately, I would love to see Dudey get this fight with Khan because i'm starting to worry if he will not get a shot. People don't expect him to win, i think given the opportunity he will put up a great fight. I just hope Khan isn't using McCloskey as bait to help him make his first choice fight (Lamont Peterson), i listened to the radio interview last night and that's how it came across at times in the interview. Fingers crossed it happens, go on Dudey lad.
Can only judge him on his last two fights, if he wasn't fighting well then i hope he has something better when meeting Khan. watched him on the news there, he sounded confident that it will go ahead and he believes that he is the right man to fight him at this point.
McCloskey doesn't do the fighting talk, keeps that stuff for the fight.Would be some craic if they got it for the Kings Hall but looking more like Manchester Arena.
Secondsout mentions March 16th. Surely they mean the 19th which is the Saturday? I guess Manchester makes sense given Kahn is only up the road.
Could be a good weekend Ireland England in the Six Nations and then Dudey to become World Champion! If it's an omen then on the same weekend two years ago Dunne beat Coroba after Ireland won the Grand Slam
Love going to watch Dudey fight and will bust my hole to get across to the Khan fight if it happens. This is the fight we all want to see.But timing is everything in boxing and Id prefer to see Dudey have a couple more fights forenenst hardy fighters before the Khan encounter. But as somebody already mentioned, this might be his big chance, so ye could never turn it down.
The camp will have his defence tightened for the fight. The man is some talent and packs some punch . One lunging hook or uppercut lands on Khan and its goodnight.
Quote from: J OGorman on January 14, 2011, 09:38:09 PM
Love going to watch Dudey fight and will bust my hole to get across to the Khan fight if it happens. This is the fight we all want to see.But timing is everything in boxing and Id prefer to see Dudey have a couple more fights forenenst hardy fighters before the Khan encounter. But as somebody already mentioned, this might be his big chance, so ye could never turn it down.
The camp will have his defence tightened for the fight. The man is some talent and packs some punch . One lunging hook or uppercut lands on Khan and its goodnight.
I disagree, Maidana hits harder than Dudey. Certainly he can hurt him and probably wobble him, but before his last fight I wasn't sure Khan had a) the heart, b) the chin and c) the stamina. For me doubts remain over c), but I'd be loathe to say he had a glass chin given some of the shots he took.
Quote from: CiKe on January 14, 2011, 09:26:19 PM
Secondsout mentions March 16th. Surely they mean the 19th which is the Saturday? I guess Manchester makes sense given Kahn is only up the road.
Could be a good weekend Ireland England in the Six Nations and then Dudey to become World Champion! If it's an omen then on the same weekend two years ago Dunne beat Coroba after Ireland won the Grand Slam
If fight is made it'll be April 16th in the manchester MEN. But speaking of that march 19th date, i think Willie Casey is fighting Rigondeux that night. Lets hope it is indeed an omen. Would be some atmosphere at that bout if Ireland beat England earlier that evening.
I've not see Casey but Rigondeaux is some operator. On that basis alone, unless Casey is exceptional which from reports does not seem to be the case, then he is in for a very tough night.
I'll not be able to cheer for Casey as watching Rigondeaux was like poetry in motion. I'll not cheer against him, but Rigondeaux can be something very special.
Quote from: hardstation on January 14, 2011, 10:17:52 PM
Casey is probably not an exceptional 'boxer' but by Jaysus the wee lad will fight to the death.
Casey will certainly fight to the death, its in his DNA!!
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Its McCloskey!!! Dudey is different weight class.
McCloskey would be smart to take the fight as it would be a big pay day but Khan will beat him easily.
:D :D You've shown yourself to be a clown by the first line of your post. You clearly know nada ... I'm annoyed i'm even responding to you. If it happens, and i'm not convinced it will, Khan will be tested and will have it far from easy.
I'm a clown for not knowing McCloskey's nick name was Dudey? Fair enough. Can't imagine how anyone would make the mistake of mixing up John Duddey with Dudey but whatever.....
I still think Khan is too much for him. Would be the Prince and the Pocket Rocket all over again (seeing as we're talking in nick names here).
I certainly don't think Khan is a world beater, I think he believes his own hype and is too confident. He is a decent fighter, and will be exposed sooner rather than later by world class opposition, not McCloskey.
There was the mention of fighting Colin Lynes for a British title in my post as well ... Considering John Duddy has been based in New York his whole professional career, i thought it was clear i wasn't chatting about him. I just felt that as it appeared you didn't know McCloskey or his career that well, i didn't think you should be making the judgement that Khan would beat him "easily" but that's just my opinion ...
The second line of my reply would indicate that I knew who McCloskey was I just didn't remember his "Dudey" alias. Either way it didn't merit your handbags.
On More4 tonight. Might have a look.
22:00 Thriller in Manila (R) (T) In 1975, in the heat of Manila, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier fought their third and final contest. Although they were previously friends, Ali's continuing involvement in the Nation of Islam and portrayal of his opponent as a traitor to the black community caused a rift between the two boxers, making their last duel as much of a battle of ideologies as a clash between sportsmen. This documentary tells the story of their final bout, considered by some the greatest fight in boxing history
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 15, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
On More4 tonight. Might have a look.
22:00 Thriller in Manila (R) (T) In 1975, in the heat of Manila, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier fought their third and final contest. Although they were previously friends, Ali's continuing involvement in the Nation of Islam and portrayal of his opponent as a traitor to the black community caused a rift between the two boxers, making their last duel as much of a battle of ideologies as a clash between sportsmen. This documentary tells the story of their final bout, considered by some the greatest fight in boxing history
This is excellent - well worth watching.
Folks, the latest i'm hearing in relation to the proposed Khan vs McCloskey fight is that Sky have concerns that Mc Closkey might not be a big enough draw. I've a wee favour to ask, please spare a minute of your time and contact sky http://www.skysports.com/contactus/ . Select Sky Box Office for the subject area from the drop down menu and type a brief message to let them know that if Khan vs McCloskey was a pay per view event that you would get it out.
It will take a minute of your time. I wrote them an essay saying there hasn't been a classic English vs Irish bout since Steve Collins vs Nigel Benn and that it would capture the publics imaginiation. But a brief one liner will suffice.
Thanks folks
John Duddy retires:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9366267.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9366267.stm)
Quote from: cornerback on January 19, 2011, 09:11:54 AM
John Duddy retires:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9366267.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9366267.stm)
Two more months of work would have earned him $100k.
I wonder is it really that he's just sick of it or is there more...
Quote from: Hound on January 19, 2011, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: cornerback on January 19, 2011, 09:11:54 AM
John Duddy retires:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9366267.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9366267.stm)
Two more months of work would have earned him $100k.
I wonder is it really that he's just sick of it or is there more...
maybe he got tired of having a face like a mango after every fight. Kinda lacked the ability to defend himself! His career really stalled in the latter stages when it became clear he just didn't have the fundamentals to push on to another level, or avoid beatings even when he won at the fringe contender level.
Maybe he reckons hes something lined up post boxing. Hes a charming and handsome boyo. Could be lined up to replace Julian Simmons on UTV
Strange one alright
Quote from: Declan on January 19, 2011, 09:55:22 AM
Strange one alright
you do get the feeling there is more to it than meets the eye
Khan makes offer to McCloskey
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9368652.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9368652.stm)
I hope Khan hasnt offered some derisory amount to McCloskey.
Dudey right to hold his ground- as an undefeated boxer he deserves a good pay day.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 20, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
I hope Khan hasnt offered some derisory amount to McCloskey.
Dudey right to hold his ground- as an undefeated boxer he deserves a good pay day.
Khan says he's offering him 3 times what he got for his last fight? To be fair Khan will sell out anywhere in England so he definitely holds the upper hand in this struggle!!
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Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 20, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
I hope Khan hasnt offered some derisory amount to McCloskey.
Dudey right to hold his ground- as an undefeated boxer he deserves a good pay day.
Khan says he's offering him 3 times what he got for his last fight? To be fair Khan will sell out anywhere in England so he definitely holds the upper hand in this struggle!!
And what would that be ?
100k at a wild guess?
Nowhere near enough.
If its 3 times his last pay then thats plemty!
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 20, 2011, 11:57:44 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 20, 2011, 11:51:39 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 20, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
I hope Khan hasnt offered some derisory amount to McCloskey.
Dudey right to hold his ground- as an undefeated boxer he deserves a good pay day.
Khan says he's offering him 3 times what he got for his last fight? To be fair Khan will sell out anywhere in England so he definitely holds the upper hand in this struggle!!
And what would that be ?
100k at a wild guess?
Nowhere near enough.
If he is being offered 3 times his last pay and getting a shot at a World Title he should have no complaints, in fact most fighters would probably take a World Title fight for nothing.
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Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 20, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
I hope Khan hasnt offered some derisory amount to McCloskey.
Dudey right to hold his ground- as an undefeated boxer he deserves a good pay day.
Khan says he's offering him 3 times what he got for his last fight? To be fair Khan will sell out anywhere in England so he definitely holds the upper hand in this struggle!!
And what would that be ?
100k at a wild guess?
Nowhere near enough.
If he is being offered 3 times his last pay and getting a shot at a World Title he should have no complaints, in fact most fighters would probably take a World Title fight for nothing.
Yer auld arse! :D
Dudey's team to make an announcement on the Khan fight this evening apparently
Quote from: J OGorman on January 27, 2011, 02:49:39 PM
Dudey's team to make an announcement on the Khan fight this evening apparently
Atticus Finch has a gun to Khans head as we speak. Fight dudey or else
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Quote from: J OGorman on January 27, 2011, 02:49:39 PM
Dudey's team to make an announcement on the Khan fight this evening apparently
Atticus Finch has a gun to Khans head as we speak. Fight dudey or else
roadtrip! (wife permitting)
McCloskey rejects offer
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/mccloskey-camp-rejects-khan-offer-73699 (http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/mccloskey-camp-rejects-khan-offer-73699)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9378783.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/9378783.stm)
Quote from: whiskeysteve on January 27, 2011, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on January 27, 2011, 02:49:39 PM
Dudey's team to make an announcement on the Khan fight this evening apparently
Atticus Finch has a gun to Khans head as we speak. Fight dudey or else
Atticus' devestation on Facebook is a sad sight to behold.
I see RTE are not showing Big Bangs fight against Rigondeaux, unbelievable. They would rather screen him fight a chump like Hylands yet he gets a Worl Title shot against one of the greatest amateurs ever and they decide to miss it.
http://www.amirkhanworld.com/?p=1132 - It's official - Dudey and Khan will get it on - April the 16th. Iceman's email to skysports sealed the deal, cheers Iceman.
P.S nrico that's an absolute disgrace, they definitely not showing it ?
Can't believe RTE not showing Casey's fight, remember this is the same "world" title Dunne won and there was a lot of hulabaloo for that. He's arrived at this stage a lot sooner than Dunne as well so he deserves the fight to have his fight televised. Also it's on the same day as Ireland v England in the rugger, two days after St Patricks Day, and would get a good audience between people watching at home or in the pub.
Atticus I think your tweets to Khan must have goaded him into upping his offer.
Agree absolutely Rav, televising that fight is a no brainer - great clash of styles and comes after Ireland vs England game, it would draw in the viewers no bother. I'm going to the rugby game and i was looking forward to nothing more than watching the Casey fight in the pub with the company of an array of Guinness.
Ortiz vs Berto has been lined up for the undercard of the Dudey vs Khan fight. It's close to being a done deal. Not a bad fight at all for the undercard ! Hope you'll be making the trip to Manchester Rav, it's going to be an epic weekend ... Derry game tomorrow ?
Right Dudey level him!!
Folks if any of you are thinking of getting tickets for the McCloskey vs Khan fight, don't go through ticketmaster, go the local option and go through McCloskey's website (http://www.paulmccloskey.com/) or else get a Dungiven friend to do a local pickup for you or there are a number of outlets doing them.
Why ??? Well if you go through ticketmaster you're going to be paying a booking fee on top of your ticket price, if you go local you won't but more importantly the only fighter that benefits from ticketmaster ticket money is Khan.
I understand you don't like Khan, I'm not a big fan myself but if he has brokered a deal with Ticketmaster for a % of sales why would you begrudge him that?
He is the champ, he is the bigger draw and if he has engineered these deals then good luck to him.
?? I don't begrudge him that, he's entitled to do that and good luck to him.
I just feel that most Irish boxing fans if they knew would rather get tickets through McCloskey and benefit a local fighter rather than Khan.
They'd also save on the booking fee by getting tickets through McCloskey and will be seated with his fans as well.
Just wanted to communicate that to people, if they don't want to listen to me they don't have to. But 9 out of 10 fans travelling from here will be rooting for McCloskey and are likely to want to be seated together with his fans. Just trying to let those people know that rather than go on ticketmaster they have other another option.
it's up to them what they do.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 08, 2011, 09:02:57 AM
?? I don't begrudge him that, he's entitled to do that and good luck to him.
I just feel that most Irish boxing fans if they knew would rather get tickets through McCloskey and benefit a local fighter rather than Khan.
They'd also save on the booking fee by getting tickets through McCloskey and will be seated with his fans as well.
Just wanted to communicate that to people, if they don't want to listen to me they don't have to. But 9 out of 10 fans travelling from here will be rooting for McCloskey and are likely to want to be seated together with his fans. Just trying to let those people know that rather than go on ticketmaster they have other another option.
it's up to them what they do.
Cheers AF.
How much do they cost anyway??
They range in price Streetfighter from £40, £50, £75, £125, £200 or £300.
Thanks
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 08, 2011, 03:09:53 PM
They range in price Streetfighter from £40, £50, £75, £125, £200 or £300.
Thanks
Cheers AF.
Only been to Magherafelt and Letterkenny to see him so far.
If i get the chance to travel i'll likely avail of ticket from the £40-£75 bracket.
Fingers crossed he does it!
Good News ... TV3 are going to televise the Bang Bang Casey vs Rigondeaux.
I know you probably want me to change the record but just to let you know ... McCloskey vs Khan tickets will be on sale at the spar in Dungiven 2moro night at 7-9pm.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 11, 2011, 12:04:41 AM
Good News ... TV3 are going to televise the Bang Bang Casey vs Rigondeaux.
I know you probably want me to change the record but just to let you know ... McCloskey vs Khan tickets will be on sale at the spar in Dungiven 2moro night at 7-9pm.
Not good news if you can't get TV3.
Hi Atticus, Have you any idea of the price range for the Khan fight?
Quote from: Sandino on February 11, 2011, 09:49:33 AM
Hi Atticus, Have you any idea of the price range for the Khan fight?
aye he quoted the prices earlier sandino, heres a link: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5425.1770
Sorry lads i was working on the phone and i missed the earlier post. Thanks for those details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPesST-skg&feature=player_embedded :D
Quote from: ballinaman on February 11, 2011, 11:26:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPesST-skg&feature=player_embedded :D
Class, what a cracker. Some dig he got in the bake
http://www.paulmccloskey.com/tickets/tickets-uk/
useful for anyone overseas that wants a ticket for the McCloskey vs Khan fight but also wants to be seated with all the irish fans.
Irish Senior Championships - starts 9.15 on RTE. One of the best nights of the year for amateur boxing.
You could do worse than have a punt on Matthew hatton tonight. He's 7/1 to win and 14/1 to win by decision and beat Saul Alvarez Think that while he is without doubt a huge underdog he could make a fight of it. There was a bit of commotion at the weigh in and Alvarez didn't make weight. He was given two hours to make weight and was still over. With the Hatton camp threatening to walk away, Alvarez is going to forfeit 20% of his purse. Alvarez is a young guy, i think he is only 20/21, the whole weigh in goings on might affect his head a bit and should benefit Hatton. It would still be a huge shock if Hatton won but I think those prices above represent a bit of value.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 05, 2011, 10:15:26 AM
You could do worse than have a punt on Matthew hatton tonight. He's 7/1 to win and 14/1 to win by decision and beat Saul Alvarez Think that while he is without doubt a huge underdog he could make a fight of it. There was a bit of commotion at the weigh in and Alvarez didn't make weight. He was given two hours to make weight and was still over. With the Hatton camp threatening to walk away, Alvarez is going to forfeit 20% of his purse. Alvarez is a young guy, i think he is only 20/21, the whole weigh in goings on might affect his head a bit and should benefit Hatton. It would still be a huge shock if Hatton won but I think those prices above represent a bit of value.
Saw his fight against Cotto's older brother and he was in trouble early. Hardly the most chiselled of guys, you'd wonder about his stamina - looked like if someone really went hard at the body he might find himself in difficulty. Been hyped up massively, not sure that he is all he is being made out to be...
Yeah Cike, I watched that fight as well, it was on the undercard of the Mayweather vs Mosley fight. It was the first time i saw him fight, at first glance i thought he was Irish, the most Irish looking mexican you'll ever see! I'd agree that he's been hyped up, his record on closer examination isn't as good as people make out. I think all of Mexico realise that Chavez JR will never fulfil the hopes people have for him and so in Alvarez they are seeing the next big thing. He seems to have a habit of fighting the "lesser" relatives of big name fighters, old brother of Cotto and larry Mosley (cousin of Sugar Shane) and now Matthew Hatton. While Hatton isn't the greatest fighter, i've watched his last number of fights and do believe has improved. Still would be very surprised if he won but Alvarez's weigh in problems can only help Hatton's cause. Add in the fact that it's now for a title and that it may be a case of now or never for Hatton, then i think the bookies have definitely priced this wrong. I see it's not live on Sky but there is deferred coverage of it tomorrow. Will try and get a link for it later.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 05, 2011, 10:15:26 AM
You could do worse than have a punt on Matthew hatton tonight. He's 7/1 to win and 14/1 to win by decision and beat Saul Alvarez Think that while he is without doubt a huge underdog he could make a fight of it. There was a bit of commotion at the weigh in and Alvarez didn't make weight. He was given two hours to make weight and was still over. With the Hatton camp threatening to walk away, Alvarez is going to forfeit 20% of his purse. Alvarez is a young guy, i think he is only 20/21, the whole weigh in goings on might affect his head a bit and should benefit Hatton. It would still be a huge shock if Hatton won but I think those prices above represent a bit of value.
M Hatton has no chance, Alvarez will knock him out
A lot of the hype over Alvarez is probably down to the fact that he's racked up so many fights so young. Didn't see the weigh in but agree with Cike that he's never really looked as if he's gone hell for leather in the gym.
Watched the Jose Miguel Cotto fight as well. Don't really remember him being in any particular trouble early on and think he had Cotto down early on.
Canelo is incredibly talented, but think Hatton is a good outside bet.
Is Carl Frampton fighting on this bill?
I Know he's fighting in Huddersfield, was a change of fighter also
Casey at the ready as two fates collide
BOXING WBA WORLD TITLE FIGHT: Willie 'Big Bang' Casey has grown to become a role model in his community and can't wait to get to grips with Guillermo 'El Chacal' Rigondeaux in their WBA World Title fight in Dublin. TOM HUMPHRIES meets the Limerick man as he prepares to face the Cuban with a storied past
TWO MEN in a hurry. A couple of extraordinary fellas carrying strange and compelling back stories as they rush past us. Two hard, wiry southpaw men whose paths cross on a patch of canvas laid down in a bespoke Dublin hotel.
From the ring, another dream of blood and bravery, another night of warriors.
A settling between men with unblemished records, one of those perfect storms where something has to give.
First, Guillermo Rigondeaux.
Guillermo is the older of the two by a shade. He was born 30 years ago in Cuba in the seaport town of Santiago, 550 miles south east of Havana. They call him El Chacal. As in The Day of The Jackal. He counter punches with the assassin's cold precision.
His amateur career as a boxer is an epic story in itself. Two Olympic gold medals (Sydney and Athens). A record of 243 wins and four losses. He was national champion seven times and a hero in Cuba. Felix Savon. Teofilio Stevenson. The path to their pantheon stretched before him.
Across the square the unmistakeably Irish features and red hair of Willie Casey.
Willie was born in South Hill in Limerick. They call him Big Bang. It suits. Traveller stock. Willie arrived in the middle of a family of 23 children. He was the first of the family to stay in school to do his junior cert and every brother or sister who came after him did the same, at least.
And then he went and worked. Anything he could get. Then he learned a trade, welding. He would have liked to be a carpentry, but welding came along first and he has always been in a hurry. He got his trade and life seemed set.
The apple held before him in the eden of the professional world had the customary effect.
Guillermo Rigondeaux reached out. You are 243 and four and somebody says that a short, sharp pro career can make your bank account stats look just as impressive. You'll be televised. The revolution, sadly, won't be.
So Rigondeaux tried to jump in 2007 in Rio de Janeiro. Failed. Had to return to Cuba, a jackal with a tail between its legs. He was banned from the national team. He missed Beijing and the near certainty of a third gold medal.
Two years later, a court in
New York City would be the playground in which a legal tug of war for Rigondeaux reached settlement. Afterwards, the victor, Gary Hyde of Cork, explained.
"When I signed Rigondeaux in 2007, my plan was to bring him to Ireland for a couple of fights and then take 'Rigo' and heavyweight sensation Mike Perez to the United States. This plan was hindered by Rigo's failed attempt to defect.
"I kept close contact with him when he was sent back to Cuba. After he was banned from boxing on the Cuban national team, preventing him from winning his third gold medal at the Beijing Olympics, I became increasingly worried that my marketing plan and golden opportunity to manage the greatest amateur boxer of all-time was in jeopardy.
"I never gave up hope, however, and continued to support Rigo and his family as we plotted together his escape from Cuba."
Willie Casey never plotted a defection from Limerick. He loves the place. Some of the Dubs he spars with tell him that he should forget about being Big Bang and come into the ring with a Tesco bag on his head and his horse outside. He laughs it off with his usual good humour, but Limerick is a passion.
"I come from a disadvantaged area and I am a member of the travelling community," he says baldly, "some people, even some people at home, think there is nothing else out there except drugs and gangs. There is. If I can do it, they can do it. In my career I just want to send out that message."
His mother, Kathleen, and his father, Terry, kept him in school. It wasn't hard. His Dad loves horses and if Willie was around the place on a school day, cleaning up for the horses and cleaning up after the horses was the only entertainment available. It was much easier to go to school.
"He'd say to me the next day, 'well, do you want to stay home'?. I'd say, 'no, it's okay thanks'. I loved going to school anyway. I loved learning. I am grateful for what I have today."
He was the first of the clan to get a junior cert and to his regret had to leave school in fifth year. He went working to bring in a wage. First at the old graveyard washing cars and fixing punctures, then butchers work, some labouring and into steel work.
"I made the most of everything while it all lasted."
A Simple Plan. In July 2007 Guillermo Rigondeaux and his friend the Cuban welterweight world champion Erislandy Lara were set to hit the Pan American Games in Rio de Janeiro. They were experienced amateur internationals, well-known Cuban sports stars. Nobody suspected that they planned to defect during the Games.
Somewhere along the line a connection got lost or sundered. Rigondeaux and Lara vanished into the roiling city and were conformed as missing , presumed defected, a day or two later. And then. Pop. They resurfaced. The government said they were found with some prostitutes, but for the hero-turned-defector the Cuban government is a friend scorned.
They were arrested and accused of overstaying their visas and sent back to the island.
This time life was different. Boxing was taken away. A failed defection makes a ghost of a man.
Rigondeaux still lived in the Boyeros district of Havana, but now he haunted it rather than inhabited it.
His fame and the honour he had brought to Cuba was such that he had been granted the rarest of gifts from Fidel – a new but modest motor car. This was taken away. He had no job. He was quarantined; the boxing community barred from communicating with him.
He had a partner and a son and a glorious past.
Nothing lasts. Work dried up for Willie Casey and he found himself with the same basic need as Guillermo Rigondeaux. He had a wife and four kids. They had developed the habit of being fed.
They were keen to continue.
Willie who played everything from rugby to hurling as a young fella went back to one of his first loves. Boxing.
Boxing is in the family blood. Not a raging torrent of it, just a quiet tradition. Willie's father did some, though Willie says with a grin that he's hazy about whether it was in the ring or outside. All Willie's older brothers boxed a bit. And Willie fought for a little while as an amateur.
"Didn't put too much time in it. And then I gave up when I was working and getting married and settled down. But when the work went quiet and I went back into the amateurs, I started putting in a bit of time and effort. Phil Sutcliffe saw me one day. He approached me and talked to me about the professional game.
"I knew that my style didn't suit the amateurs. He did too. I know that. I knew I was short of the skill and technique for the amateurs, but I didn't know a lot about the pro game. I thought you had to be an Olympic gold medallists to make it. It's not the way. It's a different game."
Two-and-a half years later he is fighting for a world title on March 19th. That is just three months after winning a European title. His record is perfect.
Willie was 26 when Phil Sutcliffe approached him in the run up to the Beijing games. Phil told him if he was ever to turn pro, that was the time to go.
Phil and his business partner the promoter Don O'Leary were running a show in October of 2008. Willie started training and took it from there. People saw him improving. He felt it himself. Tidying up the shots. Moving better. Hitting harder. He became Big Bang.
He is in love with this game now. Regardless of how hard a training session is he's always in a good humour afterwards. Fifteen rounds of sparring and a run this morning. He fishes some tuna from a lunch box and smears it on his brown bread.
Nothing better.
For Guillermo the Ghost, the choices narrowed and depression clocked him. There were to be no second chances. One moonless night in February 2009 he got into a speedboat and left the country he had brought so much joy to. He fetched up in Cancún in Mexico. It was Mexico but it was the real world. Complicated.
Rigondeaux had met Gary Hyde many years previously at the World Boxing Championships in Belfast of all places. They kept in touch. Hyde had visited Cuba.
In March, 2007 the two men apparently cut a deal with each other before the failed defection attempt. Now, after the speedboat journey, they were supposed to meet in Cancún but the connection never happened.
Rigondeaux kept going till he hit Miami, a home run for any Cuban defector. That melting pot of a town was soon bubbling with the rumours that he had arrived and was keen to fight.
And the rumours were true.
He made his pro debut under the management of a firm with German connections with whom he had allegedly signed, GSMG LTD and Marcus Concepcion, working closely with the Arena Boxing company. Gary Hyde sought an injunction. A judge denied him but froze the purse.
GSMG and Concepcion produced a management contract dated May 2009. Hyde trumped it with his March 2007 contract. The others came back with a three-year contract from July 2006. It got silly and tacky. In December 2009 Gary Hyde finally won the battle.
Did he lose the war though? How Guillermo Rigondeaux feels about all this is a moot point. He has had his own legal punch, counterpunch with Gary Hyde expressing the feeling that Hyde was progressing his career too slowly. Hyde paired him briefly with the great Freddie Roach
in LA, who pronounced him a young version of Manny Pacquiao, but Rigondeaux split from the veteran and wound up via another detour with Ronnie Shields,
the Houston-based trainer of Evander Holyfield.
Whatever his reservations early on in his relationship with Hyde, things have accelerated. He fought Ricardo Cordoba on the undercard of the Manny Pacquiao-Antonio Margarito bout at Cowboys Stadium, Dallas late last year and became a world champion with scarcely a half a dozen fights to his name.
Back home, his partner Farah Colina still lives and works, raising their nine-year-old son with the help of his stepbrother who is nearly 20 and who was raised as Guillermo Rigondeaux's own son. The dream is predictable. To be together.
Willy comes down the line in his family; middle of the brood which ranges in age from 12 to almost 40. They are all close and loyal to each other, but things being what they are, you wind up being closer to those your own age, those you play with and go to school with.
Just before Willie arrived, the Caseys were blessed with twins. Boys. In the clan, boys outnumber girls easily. One of the twins was called Paddy.
"Paddy! He'd be with ya one day, he'd fall out with you the next. He was a good man, he had a child, a lovely wife and when it was time he settled down. What can I say? After a year being married he died. That was about two years ago now. We miss him.
"I hope he's watching and that I'm making him proud. I hope he realises the life he could have had, that he never had."
And what took him away? Willie's face contorts in sadness.
"Drugs. I saw it coming. I saw it a mile away. I told him. He got chances and he never took them. I know he's looking down and he's proud of me. I'm going to show the younger ones coming through that there is more out there than just drugs and gangs."
They lost a sister a long time ago, before Willie's memory began. Then they lost Paddy. Willie wears a tattoo over his heart in loving memory of Paddy. Now there are 15 boys and six girls left and the pride and the love almost cracks Willie's voice.
"Looking after us all wasn't easy. I love him today and my mother for everything they did. They brought us up well. They done a good job."
Two men in a hurry. Last summer Willie won through as the outsider in a Sky Sports programme called Prizefighter. Three tough fights in one night, the last against a completely fresh boxer. It put him on the map.
By Christmas, he was European Super Bantam Champion. And now Guillermo Rigondeaux and Willie 'Big Bang' Casey get ready to fight in two weeks' time in the Citywest Hotel, a venue which could be a parable for so many things.
There is a documentary on the story of Rigondeaux called perfectly Hero, Traitor, Madness.
And there is the less-celebrated story of the man he fights and the place he comes from and will never defect from.
"Limerick gets a bad rap," says Willie, pulling on his woolly hat. "There is so much good in Limerick."
He lists the city's sporting heroes and achievements and then says what he most wants for himself from this strange time before he goes back to real work.
"When I drop my own kids off to school, I hear them, the other kids. They say, there's your Dad. That makes me want to achieve even more. I can see the expression on their faces.
How excited they are, somebody from here doing so good, being an example."
Two lives. Two men. Two styles. Guillermo Rigondeaux the outside man, the most technical professional out there, perhaps. Willie Casey who's best scrapping would be done going through a revolving door with you, so close does he like the encounter to be.
Two stories. Two fates crossing.
Who would swap lives with the other? Now? Late at night in two weeks' time.
WBA World Title bout
Willie Big Bang' Casey v Guillermo 'El Chacal' Rigondeaux
Saturday, Mar 19th, Citywest Event Centre, Saggart
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0305/1224291371006.html
Hatton took a bit of a battering from the BBC report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9416146.stm
Haye and Klitschko agreed to fight
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/mma/boxing/03/05/wladimir.klitschko/index.html
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Representatives for IBF/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and WBA champion David Haye are close to an agreement to match Haye and Klitschko in a unification fight, an industry source told SI.com. The fight will be held in Germany in either June or July.
On Friday, Klitschko withdrew from next month's scheduled title defense against Dereck Chisora, citing an abdominal injury. The decision to withdraw clears the way for a summer bout with Haye, who reportedly was unhappy with Klitschko's insistence on taking the fight with Chisora in the first place.
Klitschko, however, has steadfastly refused to tie his future to Haye due to Haye's unpredictability. In June 2009, Haye pulled out of a signed fight with Klitschko less than three weeks before the date, citing a back injury. Klitschko eventually replaced Haye with former champion Ruslan Chagaev. Klitschko beat Chagaev in a lopsided, nine-round technical decision.
Since then Klitschko has doggedly pursued a fight with Haye. He has called him out in the press and produced a YouTube video daring Haye to get in the ring with him.
A Klitschko-Haye fight would be the biggest fight in the heavyweight division since Klitschko's brother, Vitali, lost to Lennox Lewis in 2003. The fight would draw a crowd of more than 60,000 at a German soccer stadium and generate interest from televisions outlets in the U.S., where it would likely be shown on HBO, and abroad.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/mma/boxing/03/05/wladimir.klitschko/index.html#ixzz1FpcijdE7
Quote from: gallsman on March 06, 2011, 12:29:58 PM
Hatton took a bit of a battering from the BBC report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/9416146.stm
It was always going to happen. I know Alvarez is being hyped up to the max in america but it is for good reason. Also Hatton is completely shite.
Haven't been as excited about boxing as I have been recently,the Casey, McCloskey and Haye fights coming up soon. Pity about Duddy and Lee.
I see Andy Lee had a good win at the weekend, hopefully gets him a shot at the title this year.
Does anyone know where you can watch highlights of the fight on the internet or on what channel on the tv. Thanks
You can see the full 9th and 10th rounds on youtube, he knocked him down in both.
Watching James DeGale and George Groves on Ringside here. Entertaining!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 17, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
Watching James DeGale and George Groves on Ringside here. Entertaining!
Seen that, really hope Groves knocks him out.
Has Magee got a chance tonight?
Seems this lad Bute can do a bit of damage
Casey on at ten tonight, up against it but certainly in with a shout, at 9/4 he's worth a punt surely
Casey has punchers chance all right but the Cuban will more likely win by a large points margin
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2011, 09:38:33 PM
'Big Bang' fights for his food. He'll go at this boyo like fcuk. Looking forward to it.
Yeah he won't be beat for the lack of effort. He'll be boxing for his life.
Will stay up for the other fight, would like for Magee to put the fight of his life in tonight
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
on now, think thats my da singing there ;D ;D
If this lad wins there will be mayhem. Wouldn't like to see him lose on a dodgy decision, could be carnage!
Looks nervous don't ya think?
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
If Solis took the pro game seriously he could be quality.
Casey will give it his absolute all, but just can't see him lasting with the class of someone like Rigondeaux. Should be interesting.
Quote from: gallsman on March 19, 2011, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
If Solis took the pro game seriously he could be quality.
Casey will give it his absolute all, but just can't see him lasting with the class of someone like Rigondeaux. Should be interesting.
Is McAuley co commentating
Rubbish
This is over already. Completely out of his depth.
11 Fights and he obviously believed his own hype. what will they show now?
jaysus....
by the by, I can't stand Dave Boy McAuley...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
11 Fights and he obviously believed his own hype. what will they show now?
The All-Ireland Intermediate Club Hurling Final.
Missed none of Casino Royale, Casey was knocked out before the break was over!!! His manager needs a good kick up the ass
Quote from: ONeill on March 19, 2011, 10:38:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
11 Fights and he obviously believed his own hype. what will they show now?
The All-Ireland Intermediate Club Hurling Final.
Punchers chance ;D ;D bit like Tyrone against Dublin last year ;)
I don't think he believed his hype or anything - he was up against one of the greatest amateur fighters of all time in a World title fight. Unfortunately his best was never going to be close to enough against someone that good.
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2011, 10:47:04 PM
His manager is called P. Sutcliffe. Not a great start.
Yeah, he'd probably done a better job
Quote from: hardstation on March 19, 2011, 10:47:04 PM
His manager is called P. Sutcliffe. Not a great start.
He told him to get ripped into him.
He look really nervous to start with. He had 11 fights and some good fighters no doubt along the way, Paul Hyland and the prize fighter thingy (Big Rogie won that)
But this guy, was reading about him earlier, different class
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2011, 10:57:28 PM
He look really nervous to start with. He had 11 fights and some good fighters no doubt along the way, Paul Hyland and the prize fighter thingy (Big Rogie won that)
But this guy, was reading about him earlier, different class
Twice world champion, twice Olympic champion and almost would have won a third if he hadn't fecked up his first attempt at defection. A legend.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
11 Fights and he obviously believed his own hype. what will they show now?
Casey knew Rigo was the better boxer, he said so much on Brendan O Connor's show. I don't blame him for taking the fight. In hindsight a bad decision but Casey is a brawler, and when you are a brawler you have to take your chance when you get it.
What time does Brian Magee's fight start at?
Sat Mar 19th 2011 at 10pm ET
I thought it was 1.00am!! cant find it anywhere??
on next here
http://boxingguru.co.uk/gurutv.html
Andy Lee (Ireland) knocked out the lad McEwan in the tenth, needed to otherwise he was beat!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 20, 2011, 01:53:03 AM
I thought it was 1.00am!! cant find it anywhere??
Was planning on trying here as well and following the boxing link
http://www.skyonyourpc.me/
http://www.vipstand.me/live/24295/1/showtime---l-bute-vs-b-magee,-r-st-juste-v-f-zuniga,-v-martirosyan-vs-b-hernandez,-b-gaudet-vs-a-verdugo,-pier-olivier-côté-vs-m-lozada,-s-gauthier-vs-j-soto,-v-simion-vs-p-navarrete,-s-hyppolite-vs-p-tessier,-c-mcfadden-vs-j-sanchez.html
http://www.vipstand.me/watch/24295/1/showtime---l-bute-vs-b-magee,-r-st-juste-v-f-zuniga,-v-martirosyan-vs-b-hernandez,-b-gaudet-vs-a-verdugo,-pier-olivier-c%C3%B4t%C3%A9-vs-m-lozada,-s-gauthier-vs-j-soto,-v-simion-vs-p-navarrete,-s-hyppolite-vs-p-tessier,-c-mcfadden-vs-j-sanchez.html
Fight just started, unless the link isnt live.
Brave from Magee so far, but limited. Landing shots but getting tagged as well. Not doing enough to win the rounds - I'd give him one of the first five. May need a KO.
Magee knocked down and shipping some brutal body punches. Not too hurt though and survived the round fine. Slipping away, will def need the KO.
Down twice in the 7th from two more body punches. Got away with one as ref thought it was low.
Stopped in 10 after being dropped by a left uppercut to the chin. Bute too big, too quick, too strong and, ultimately, too good.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
Solis confirmed with torn cruciate in his right knee. Vitali claiming it was his hard punching that forced him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd8Xc6qJIo
Quote from: gallsman on March 20, 2011, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
Solis confirmed with torn cruciate in his right knee. Vitali claiming it was his hard punching that forced him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd8Xc6qJIo
In the Sky studios Johnny Nelson reckoned he took a dive, in fairness to McGuigan he put him straight.
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2011, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 20, 2011, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
Solis confirmed with torn cruciate in his right knee. Vitali claiming it was his hard punching that forced him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd8Xc6qJIo
In the Sky studios Johnny Nelson reckoned he took a dive, in fairness to McGuigan he put him straight.
It's an odd one. His face didn't show any real signs of hurt or anguish. I suppose Henry Shefflin's didn't either and he had the same injury. Can cruciate injuries be mild?
How bad was that fight?? Klitchko was raging
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 20, 2011, 03:35:33 PM
How bad was that fight?? Klitchko was raging
Solis was doing grand, I doubt the punch that caught him was putting him down and the knee maybe even went just before.
Anybody watching Prizefighter here? How the hell did Ainscough win that one?!
Joke alright, Ainscough knew himself he was beat.
Robin reid should hang up the gloves, came across as a right bell end in that fight.
I know next to nothing about jahmaine Smyle but have backed him in running, he looks some size of man for that weight.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 23, 2011, 09:23:00 PM
Joke alright, Ainscough knew himself he was beat.
Robin reid should hang up the gloves, came across as a right bell end in that fight.
I know next to nothing about jahmaine Smyle but have backed him in running, he looks some size of man for that weight.
Robin Reid is still fighting???
That was my reaction when i saw the fighters involved Gallsman. In fairness for a 40 year old he still looks in good shape.
But he's a long way from the days when he made things tough for Calzaghe.
I backed this guy Jahmain Smyle to win the last fight on the basis of the size of him alone and he duly obliged at 3/1.
Also stuck a couple on him at 16/1 to win the whole shabang. He's now 3/1. It's super middleweight prizefighter but he seems like your big lad out of the Green Mile in comparison to the rest of the fighters on show.
Quote from: gallsman on March 20, 2011, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2011, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 20, 2011, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
Solis confirmed with torn cruciate in his right knee. Vitali claiming it was his hard punching that forced him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd8Xc6qJIo
In the Sky studios Johnny Nelson reckoned he took a dive, in fairness to McGuigan he put him straight.
It's an odd one. His face didn't show any real signs of hurt or anguish. I suppose Henry Shefflin's didn't either and he had the same injury. Can cruciate injuries be mild?
If his cruciate is done then I was wrong and I'm happy to say so. I wasn't the only one who thought it was a dive, Klitchko himself and all the crowd were bulling. Solis didn't seem too pissed off either.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 23, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
That was my reaction when i saw the fighters involved Gallsman. In fairness for a 40 year old he still looks in good shape.
But he's a long way from the days when he made things tough for Calzaghe.
I backed this guy Jahmain Smyle to win the last fight on the basis of the size of him alone and he duly obliged at 3/1.
Also stuck a couple on him at 16/1 to win the whole shabang. He's now 3/1. It's super middleweight prizefighter but he seems like your big lad out of the Green Mile in comparison to the rest of the fighters on show.
Reid was a decent fighter in his time. I remember a fight against Sven Ottke about ten years ago where he was, if not scandalously robbed, at least on the wrong side of the decision.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 24, 2011, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 20, 2011, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2011, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 20, 2011, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Anyone see the Klitchko "fight"? Boxing could have done without that.
Solis confirmed with torn cruciate in his right knee. Vitali claiming it was his hard punching that forced him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd8Xc6qJIo
In the Sky studios Johnny Nelson reckoned he took a dive, in fairness to McGuigan he put him straight.
It's an odd one. His face didn't show any real signs of hurt or anguish. I suppose Henry Shefflin's didn't either and he had the same injury. Can cruciate injuries be mild?
If his cruciate is done then I was wrong and I'm happy to say so. I wasn't the only one who thought it was a dive, Klitchko himself and all the crowd were bulling. Solis didn't seem too pissed off either.
Must say only watched it once but I never got the impression was a dive and thought he genuinely looked like the leg wouldn't support him. He was winning the round till that point - what I wasn't sure of was whether the punch had him going down anyway or whether the knee went first
Very Disappointed with Lee at the weekend. Never seen his movement as poor and disappointed how easily he was caught. He looked very stiff.
To his credit, his punching power got him out of the hole he had dug himself into.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 25, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Very Disappointed with Lee at the weekend. Never seen his movement as poor and disappointed how easily he was caught. He looked very stiff.
To his credit, his punching power got him out of the hole he had dug himself into.
He always looks stiff and robotic, doesn't seem to have much flair but does possess power. At least he won against an opponent who has had an impressive career to date.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 25, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 25, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
Very Disappointed with Lee at the weekend. Never seen his movement as poor and disappointed how easily he was caught. He looked very stiff.
To his credit, his punching power got him out of the hole he had dug himself into.
He always looks stiff and robotic, doesn't seem to have much flair but does possess power. At least he won against an opponent who has had an impressive career to date.
McEwan looked a handy enough fighter to be fair to Lee and was capable of throwing much better combinations. Lee fights southpaw but he's right-handed I think and his jabs certainly seem to carry a lot of power. He leaves himself quite open at times though when he throws right hooks. Martinez would tear him apart but he would have a chance against some of the other title holders in the division.
Down memory lane...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-XxF3kmG8k
what an idiot andrew golota was
Speaking of a blast from the past
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/world_news_america/9406099.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/world_news_america/9406099.stm)
Just watched a good show on bbc4 about the cuban under 12 boxing championship. Worth checking out on iplayer
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 30, 2011, 02:12:07 AM
Down memory lane...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-XxF3kmG8k
what an idiot andrew golota was
Bowe wasn't much wiser
Just heard that Wayne McCullough is going to be fighting on the undercard of the Dudey fight - I know what you're thinking, this is an Aprils' fools - apparently not !
He is going to fight Rendall Munroe for the WBA International Super Bantamweight title.
last time i saw him he was giving abuse to an old timer, Belfast telegraph journalist jack magowan .... it was a pathetic sight. If this sham of a fight goes ahead, it will be an even more pathetic sight.
McCloskey fight is no longer going to be on PPV, it's now going to be on Sky Sports 3.
Sky are not happy with the quality of the undercard and therefore dont think it makes the grade as a PPV bill.
I know that for those of you not going to the fight, your response will be 'happy days' i don't have to fork out £15 for it now.
It's unlikely - but i'm slightly worried the fight may not go ahead now, Khan was getting more than the lions share of PPV revenue and will be out of pocket big time because of this. Also i'd say the promoters (Hatton/Golden Boy) would have also got a chunk of PPV revenue and will also not be happy.
But pulling the plug with just over a week to go of the fight would be a bold move but Khan and his people are that money orientated i wouldn't put it past them.
P.S I'm embarassed by the above post, was close to deleting it :-[ , it was an April Fools i fell for hook, line and sinker after having a few jars.
Good stuff, it should never have been a PPV fight anyway.
When ya consider that Khan vs Prescott and haye vs Fraudley were PPV fights then I wasn't all that surprised to hear this was originally going to be PPV.
Macklin pulling out of the undercard was a huge blow for the promoters.
Looking forward to seeing Jamie Kavanagh though, irish lad that trains under Freddie Roach.
Kavanaugh is a decent prospect with some real nice footwork and ring awareness. He leaves himself open now and again but in general has good head movement.
Has a wee bit of dirt in him but maybe thats just inexperience and Roach should sort that out.
He can only get better surrounded by great people so definitely one to keep an eye on!
I didn't see it but apparently Eric Morales rolled back the years last night. He lost the fight but was robbed by all accounts. Any links anywhere for this fight?
Morales was very impressive Jim, his right eye was closed over from half way through the 1st round, to fight nearly a full fight with one eye in the manner that he did was very impressive. He might not have the speed and reflexes that he once possessed but he's still got the heart of a lion. I wouldn't go so far as to say he was robbed, he lost the last two rounds and i felt that was crucial. One judge scored it a draw which you really couldn't have strongly argued with and another two scored it in favour of Maidana, both giving him a margin of four rounds. There was no way maidana's victory was that convincing - i would have scored it in favour of Maidana, giving him a margin of one, maybe two rounds.
I really think the fight casts a doubt over how good Khan's victory actually was. Maidana, for me, is a one dimensional fighter and never has a plan b. He didn't cause Morales any major problems, never looked like stopping him.
Khan was elevated in the eyes of many to the level of an elite boxer after two victories which i don't think will stand the test of time - Paulie Malignaggi and Maidana.
Throw into the mix 1. his split with Alex Ariza and the amount of problems that has caused, particularly with Ariza still working with Pacquiao, 2. the way he is overlooking his next fight and already talking about Timothy Bradley 3. The way he seems so concerned whether or not a tr**p like Jordan will be ringside at his next fight and finally and definitely most damaging for him 4. The removal of the fight from PPV and now from Sky altogether (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6864054,00.html) , costing him well over a million along with the associated costs of having less exposure. A deal is expected to be announced with Primetime (a pay per view subscription channel, that has shown a lot of Froch's recent fights) but overall that is bad news for Khan, whether he likes it or not Khan needs Sky. Look at Carl Froch, he's not a household name despite his recent impressive performances and that's due to not having Sky in his corner.
Add all the above points up and there is no doubt in my mind that Khan's head is bound to be well and truly scrambled. This fight is LOSE-LOSE for Khan, he's risking a lot for little reward.
I am therefore quitely confident that this time next week, there will be a new world champion from a little place called Dungiven.
The best thing Khan can do next Sunday morning is fire his team, I know most of them are his family but they've got him into this mess. His team in conjunction with the promoters should have bent over backwards to keep Matthew Macklin as part of the undercard. The way his team have acted in the run up to the fight, shortchanging numerous people was always going to comeback and bite him.
Jim - I scoured the internet to try and get you highlights but unfortunately the copyright police have already come and gone. if i do find anything i'll post it up.
Where will we be able to watch the mccloskey fight on Saturday nite?
Nothing confirmed Tommo but looks like these guys (http://www.primetimelive.co.uk/) will end up with the rights. Think it's channel 480 on Sky so not all that much different than if the fight had been on Sky box office. I've heard rumours that RTE are making an attempt to show it but i think you can safely say that these are nothing more than rumours.
If you're not going to a bar to watch it (i'm assuming primetime do get the rights here) then i would suggest looking for a website that will be streaming it, i've watched the last few Froch fights on internet and they've always been good quality. As primetime arn't that big an outfit they don't have the resources to close down streams like Sky box office can.
Check this thread on the night of the fight and I say someone will post a link where you can watch the fight.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 10, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Nothing confirmed Tommo but looks like these guys (http://www.primetimelive.co.uk/) will end up with the rights. Think it's channel 480 on Sky so not all that much different than if the fight had been on Sky box office. I've heard rumours that RTE are making an attempt to show it but i think you can safely say that these are nothing more than rumours.
If you're not going to a bar to watch it (i'm assuming primetime do get the rights here) then i would suggest looking for a website that will be streaming it, i've watched the last few Froch fights on internet and they've always been good quality. As primetime arn't that big an outfit they don't have the resources to close down streams like Sky box office can.
Check this thread on the night of the fight and I say someone will post a link where you can watch the fight.
I thought it was going to be on Sky Sports 3?
Check the link that I sent two posts ago. Sky having nothing to do with the fight. Source: sky.
Where your post go Rocky ?
Disappeared like the bucks for this fight-wonder what odds the whole thing being pulled?
I wouldn't be surprised if Khan sustains a mystery injury in the next two to three days ! But think he's past the point of no return and will just have to get on with it.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 10, 2011, 08:46:43 PM
Morales was very impressive Jim, his right eye was closed over from half way through the 1st round, to fight nearly a full fight with one eye in the manner that he did was very impressive. He might not have the speed and reflexes that he once possessed but he's still got the heart of a lion. I wouldn't go so far as to say he was robbed, he lost the last two rounds and i felt that was crucial. One judge scored it a draw which you really couldn't have strongly argued with and another two scored it in favour of Maidana, both giving him a margin of four rounds. There was no way maidana's victory was that convincing - i would have scored it in favour of Maidana, giving him a margin of one, maybe two rounds.
I really think the fight casts a doubt over how good Khan's victory actually was. Maidana, for me, is a one dimensional fighter and never has a plan b. He didn't cause Morales any major problems, never looked like stopping him.
Khan was elevated in the eyes of many to the level of an elite boxer after two victories which i don't think will stand the test of time - Paulie Malignaggi and Maidana.
Throw into the mix 1. his split with Alex Ariza and the amount of problems that has caused, particularly with Ariza still working with Pacquiao, 2. the way he is overlooking his next fight and already talking about Timothy Bradley 3. The way he seems so concerned whether or not a tr**p like Jordan will be ringside at his next fight and finally and definitely most damaging for him 4. The removal of the fight from PPV and now from Sky altogether (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6864054,00.html) , costing him well over a million along with the associated costs of having less exposure. A deal is expected to be announced with Primetime (a pay per view subscription channel, that has shown a lot of Froch's recent fights) but overall that is bad news for Khan, whether he likes it or not Khan needs Sky. Look at Carl Froch, he's not a household name despite his recent impressive performances and that's due to not having Sky in his corner.
Add all the above points up and there is no doubt in my mind that Khan's head is bound to be well and truly scrambled. This fight is LOSE-LOSE for Khan, he's risking a lot for little reward.
I am therefore quitely confident that this time next week, there will be a new world champion from a little place called Dungiven.
The best thing Khan can do next Sunday morning is fire his team, I know most of them are his family but they've got him into this mess. His team in conjunction with the promoters should have bent over backwards to keep Matthew Macklin as part of the undercard. The way his team have acted in the run up to the fight, shortchanging numerous people was always going to comeback and bite him.
Jim - I scoured the internet to try and get you highlights but unfortunately the copyright police have already come and gone. if i do find anything i'll post it up.
Spot on about Maidana and Malignaggi. Khan has been spouting that McCloskey isn't ready to make the step up etc, but what step up has Khan really made? Since he lost to Prescott he fought the mighty Oisin Fagan, and then an old MAB who he actually didn't beat. Then he fought Dmitriy Salita, Maidana and Malignaggi. He won the title of one of the poorest champions in any division yet he thinks he is the real deal? I think alot of the hype around Khan is coming from the fact that he is being trained by Roach, I wonder what he makes of Khan firing his conditioning coach. Its not that long ago that Khan was knocked out in the first round and being decked by the like of a well past it Michael Gomez, powder puncher Willie Limond and Rachid Drilzane. Why has he never sought to avenge his only loss? The public in the UK are getting fooled by the same bandwagon that they were fooled by after his Olympic success. I hope McCloskey wins at the weekend, I really do.
As for that Sky channel 480, how much does it cost? Can you pay to watch the fight only?
I have my doubts about Khan & McCloskey going ahead now at all, the purse has to be significantly reduced and Khan will not want to risk it for a much smaller cut.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 11, 2011, 10:01:52 AM
I have my doubts about Khan & McCloskey going ahead now at all, the purse has to be significantly reduced and Khan will not want to risk it for a much smaller cut.
I hope not i have been looking forward to this since it was announced.
Got a text a this morning saying that fight is definitely going ahead and that primetime deal is done and dusted. There's confirmation below:
http://insidefights.com/2011/04/11/amir-khan-vs-paul-mccloskey-to-be-show-on-primetime-tv/
As for doubts about the fight going ahead, while i doubted it for a while because i don't see what's in it for Khan - ultimately i dont think they would have negotiated fees etc with primetime at this late stage if they are intent on pulling out.
Nrico - Still not sure on the price for it from what i can remember about Froch's last couple of fights it was in around the £13-15 mark. But i watched it online as quality was decent enough.
Folks i'm first one to admit i'm biased on this but I really can't see McCloskey losing. Bookies have definitely priced this up wrongly.
I can guarantee you one thing now - Khan WILL NOT stop McCloskey which bookies have him odds on to do. If (I emphasise IF) he wins it'll be through his greater handspeed and he'll win on points.
If you back McCloskey to win (13/2) and also Khan to win on points (10/3) - it's a no lose bet in my opinion.
I'll take all the flak of the day if i'm proven wrong ....
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 11, 2011, 10:47:24 AM
Got a text a this morning saying that fight is definitely going ahead and that primetime deal is done and dusted. There's confirmation below:
http://insidefights.com/2011/04/11/amir-khan-vs-paul-mccloskey-to-be-show-on-primetime-tv/
As for doubts about the fight going ahead, while i doubted it for a while because i don't see what's in it for Khan - ultimately i dont think they would have negotiated fees etc with primetime at this late stage if they are intent on pulling out.
Nrico - Still not sure on the price for it from what i can remember about Froch's last couple of fights it was in around the £13-15 mark. But i watched it online as quality was decent enough.
Folks i'm first one to admit i'm biased on this but I really can't see McCloskey losing. Bookies have definitely priced this up wrongly.
I can guarantee you one thing now - Khan WILL NOT stop McCloskey which bookies have him odds on to do. If (I emphasise IF) he wins it'll be through his greater handspeed and he'll win on points.
If you back McCloskey to win (13/2) and also Khan to win on points (10/3) - it's a no lose bet in my opinion.
I'll take all the flak of the day if i'm proven wrong ....
Thats a big statement to make, based on your over confidence il take a wee punt on those bets. I hope your as knowledgeable and have the level of wisdom atticus had himself ;)
Cant see McCloskey living with Khan to be honest. Khan has truly gone to the next level under Freddie Roach, only have to watch his last fight to see how much he has progressed.
Dont get me wrong would love McCloskey to knock ten bells out of him just dont thinkk he is in the same league
Quote from: NAG1 on April 11, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
Cant see McCloskey living with Khan to be honest. Khan has truly gone to the next level under Freddie Roach, only have to watch his last fight to see how much he has progressed.
Dont get me wrong would love McCloskey to knock ten bells out of him just dont thinkk he is in the same league
Khan would have been beatin' again in his last fight only for the ref to save him on a couple of occasions
Quote from: NAG1 on April 11, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
Cant see McCloskey living with Khan to be honest. Khan has truly gone to the next level under Freddie Roach, only have to watch his last fight to see how much he has progressed.
Dont get me wrong would love McCloskey to knock ten bells out of him just dont thinkk he is in the same league
Define the next level. He's better than when he fought Prescott but would/will get battered by Bradley.
As mentioned earlier, McCloskey is a lose-lose fight for Khan. If he wins, feck all money (relatively) and he'll have beaten a nobody. If he loses...
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 11, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
As for that Sky channel 480, how much does it cost? Can you pay to watch the fight only?
Price confirmed as £14.95
will Freddie Roach be in Khan's corner? Mc Closkley has got alot of bad press in the american media and message boards saying khans taking a soft touch i hope he proves them wrong.
(http://s0.2mdn.net/1234407/PID_1576898_hbo_berto_ortiz_300x250_static.jpg)
Nice of HBO to take the time and spell Paul's name right........
Quote from: unitedireland on April 13, 2011, 09:11:40 AM
will Freddie Roach be in Khan's corner? Mc Closkley has got alot of bad press in the american media and message boards saying khans taking a soft touch i hope he proves them wrong.
What sort of bad press?
Generally saying he hasnt fought anyone of note. He's a nobody and not worth the fight.
To watch the fight do you just phone up and make a one off payment?
Im just interested to know guys,
why do people think that McCloskey can win this fight?
Quote from: NAG1 on April 14, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
Im just interested to know guys,
why do people think that McCloskey can win this fight?
Because he is using the old "horseshoe in the glove" trick but don't tell anyone.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 14, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
Im just interested to know guys,
why do people think that McCloskey can win this fight?
Dudey will floor Khan @ some stage in the fight. He's hard to hit, fast and strong and possesses a fierce uppercut . Khan will not have fought anyone like Dudey. The media hype Khan to buck, but he's been pummeled before, was very very lucky in his last fight against a fighter who isn't as strong or fast as McCloskey. Rode his luck again against a blind Barrera (a fight which should have been stopped and Barrera given another lash) and hasn't fought anyone of real note since. Don't get wrong, Khan is a quare fighter, fast, strong and in some condition. Will be a nervy old watch
Whats your thinking?
Quote from: J OGorman on April 14, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 14, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
Im just interested to know guys,
why do people think that McCloskey can win this fight?
Dudey will floor Khan @ some stage in the fight. He's hard to hit, fast and strong and possesses a fierce uppercut . Khan will not have fought anyone like Dudey. The media hype Khan to buck, but he's been pummeled before, was very very lucky in his last fight against a fighter who isn't as strong or fast as McCloskey. Rode his luck again against a blind Barrera (a fight which should have been stopped and Barrera given another lash) and hasn't fought anyone of real note since. Don't get wrong, Khan is a quare fighter, fast, strong and in some condition. Will be a nervy old watch
Whats your thinking?
McCloskeys style is unique and one that Khan will not have had much experience with in the past, the man is like a ghost with his reflexes. Khan is quick but he still has that glass jaw. When you look at Khans record why would the UK press suddenly have him elevated to the best in the world level? As I mentioned before he was fighting the like of Michael Gomez and Oisin Fagan not too long ago, and the Barrera fight should have been a no-contest and a rematch should have been set-up but he ran away as soon as he got the decision. He also has avoided a rematch with Prescott, and he has a million excuses as to why. Any fighter worth his salt would want to avenge any losses on their record, Khan is being guided away from that situation. Maidana was known as a hard hitter yet not a great boxer technically, yet Khan slugs it out with him and is suddenly up there with Pacquaio and Mayweather? Maidana thought a former great at the weekend in Erik Morales, a man who at his best was a joy to watch. But you will never see a greater example of a boxer who has succumbed to time than Morales, the reflexes and speed are no longer there and since he has come back from retirement and went to light welterweight he no longer has the power that he had at the lower weights and onn top of that he has suffered a series of losses to unheralded fighters. Yet in most peoples eyes he beat Maidana, and this puts in perspective how good Khan is as the only reason Khan is being talked up of late is because he beat the Argentine.
Re NT's comment, can you just pay for this fight on a one-off basis?
Having watched Khan's last fight, I have to say I was impressed, he has been said to have a glass chin but he took some serious shots and was under severe pressure at times and managed to come through. I know McCloskey is a good fighter but I dont think he will be able to live with Khan's hand speed or his punching power (Believe me I dont take any pleasure in saying it) Khan is not the cocky wee git that fought after his Olmpic triumph in england against poor opposition. He is now a hardened physically tough good fighter and I unfortunately think he will be too many for McCloskey on this occasion.
But heres hoping McCloskey can get one on him early and see what he is really made of.
Yeah its a one of payment lads
Quote from: J OGorman on April 14, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 14, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
Im just interested to know guys,
why do people think that McCloskey can win this fight?
Dudey will floor Khan @ some stage in the fight. He's hard to hit, fast and strong and possesses a fierce uppercut . Khan will not have fought anyone like Dudey. The media hype Khan to buck, but he's been pummeled before, was very very lucky in his last fight against a fighter who isn't as strong or fast as McCloskey. Rode his luck again against a blind Barrera (a fight which should have been stopped and Barrera given another lash) and hasn't fought anyone of real note since. Don't get wrong, Khan is a quare fighter, fast, strong and in some condition. Will be a nervy old watch
Whats your thinking?
woh there, easy now ;D
McCloskey has a real shot against Khan, don't get me wrong. But I think thats more so because of his skills and style, not his strength. He does not have have Maidanas power, Maidana is a brute. Unskilled and slow at the elite level but easily has heavier hands than McCloskey. Khan will not hit mccloskey as easy as he scored against Maidana though.
Khan is in great physical shape below the chin also.
Know a few folks getting a bit carried away with McCloskeys chances the closer it gets to fight time, they maintain its from the head and not the heart but I don't think so. (Yes atticus, I am lookin at you, aul hand ;D) People talk about Khan being overhyped (i agree) but its easy to lose a bit of perspective, McCloskey is still an underdog and I just hope there isn't huge disappointment this weekend
I just hope no1 gets hurt.
Another factor is Khan getting rid of the conditioning coach that many claim is responsible for his physical transformation and recent good condition, another factor that could come into the equation. I think alot of people think Khan has proved he hasn't got a glass jaw after the Maidana fight. Of course the lad is not going to go down every time he is hit but there is definitely a weakness there that hopefully McCloskey will exploit.
the thing about the Maidana fight is that people were predicting Khan to almost not lose a round or else get KO'd. In the end was neither showed good chin but terrible easy to hit. Whether he wanted to be in a war for his ego or not I don't know, but he sure as sh*t didn't look like a future P4P fighter that some of the hype would have you believe.
With regards the press there probably are a few fighters out there with a better record than McCloskey, or if not that, then at least more of a "name" to bring to the table but there can't be too many are as awkward as him. Think Atticus is getting a bit carried away but i can def see Dudey making life very difficult for him and maybe outhustling him. Not sure that he is truly elite level as seems to have stagnated a bit and in some fights seems to switch off for periods but Khan will have to be close to his best if he isn't to walk out without his belt.
Can anyone remind what i said that was so ridiculous ?
i said i firmly believe Khan won't stop McCloskey ... is that that outlandish ?
As regards McCloskey winning i think he'll never have a better chance for the reasons i've mentioned before:
"Throw into the mix 1. his split with Alex Ariza and the amount of problems that has caused, particularly with Ariza still working with Pacquiao, 2. the way he is overlooking his next fight and already talking about Timothy Bradley 3. The way he seems so concerned whether or not a tr**p like Jordan will be ringside at his next fight and finally and definitely most damaging for him 4. The removal of the fight from PPV and now from Sky altogether (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6864054,00.html) , costing him well over a million along with the associated costs of having less exposure"
As i've said before i don't buy into all this chat that Khan is an elite level fighter just because he's part of Fredidie Roach's stable.
Here's Khan's record - http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=314558&cat=boxer - someone please remind me why he's considered an elite level fighter.
I'm under no illusions Dudey is a massive underdog, this will be a step up no doubt - but he hasn't been an underdog since he fought Colin Lynes for the British title back in 2008 - he took that fight at two weeks notice and after a brief bit of trouble early on he was very impressive after that.
This will be a step up but the underdog status will bring out the best in him and he will have no fear. He is in the condition of his life and is finally getting his shot, he's earned that shot.
Khan thinking he is bigger than sky is going to cost him big time, this is supposedly going to be his last fight in England for the forseeable, he can kiss his dreams of building up a support like Hatton enjoyed during his big bouts. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxingandmma/amir-khan/8452387/Amir-Khan-to-quit-Britain-for-United-States-after-boxers-management-team-fall-out-with-Sky-Sports.html
A lot of stuff must be going through Khan's head right now, e.g. where is he going to go if he loses .....
This is my last post before the fight - away to Manchester tomorrow, hopefully see some of you there.
Good Luck and God Bless
Last post, i'm off now.
I just want to say, brilliant work Eddie Hearn .... you lads will figure the rest out, see ya in Manchester:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1376951/Amir-Khan-fight-pay-TV-shambles.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8
Keep er lit
Good Luck and God Bless
Will many pubs in Belfast have this? Does anyone know some that do for sure?
I am going to try and see what quality the streams are for it tomorrow night but I will have Primetimes phone number beside me ready to rock if it is jittery.
Will it go 12 rounds or last into the later rounds? 6/5 for 9.5 rounds is tempting me!
If i do lose I hope its because McCloskey sparks him clane out!!!
any links about for the weigh-in?
Anyone know what time the fight is due to start at?
Quote from: The Worker on April 15, 2011, 12:45:44 PM
Anyone know what time the fight is due to start at?
Ive heard 10:30 Worker
Quote from: J OGorman on April 15, 2011, 12:51:15 PM
Quote from: The Worker on April 15, 2011, 12:45:44 PM
Anyone know what time the fight is due to start at?
Ive heard 10:30 Worker
good stuff. hoping it lasts the distance!
bugger have used primetime for froch abraham before but had hoped to get the Madrid Barca game in first. Ah well, come on McCloskey!
Hoping McCloskey wins but i have a feeling he will get knocked out in the 4th (well i backed that anyways)
Khan is a good boxer, and getting knocked out doesn't make you a bad boxer. Casey was cleaned out there recently and will be back hopefully better prepared.
Khan may underestimate Dudey but should have too much in his locker for him. Watched Dudey in M'felt last year and wasn't that impressed if i were honest.
Is McGuinness, Mickey Harte and Quigg going?
apparently pubs are not asllowed to show the fight apart from dungiven where mccloskey had it in his contract that all the pubs in dungiven get free coverage.
my local tried to book it but was told there is no comercial coverage so i expect any pub showing it have used there home box to book it and taken the box and connected it in the pub.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 15, 2011, 08:34:47 AM
Will many pubs in Belfast have this? Does anyone know some that do for sure?
The bot is definitely showing it
As the fight edges closer I'm beginning to fear McCloskey could end up being embarassed with an early stoppage. A lot of people are saying Dudey has nothing to lose but it would be a major disappointment if he's out of there in the first 4 rounds. I can't see it going the distance but hopefully Dudey can hang in there until the latter stages of the fight.
Quote from: isourboydownyet on April 16, 2011, 12:41:57 PM
apparently pubs are not asllowed to show the fight apart from dungiven where mccloskey had it in his contract that all the pubs in dungiven get free coverage.
my local tried to book it but was told there is no comercial coverage so i expect any pub showing it have used there home box to book it and taken the box and connected it in the pub.
is that legal
nope
What time is fight expected to start at 2nite?? how much is the fight to buy on sky tv??? and do you think it will be possible to get a link online to watch the fight for free :P
Quote from: isourboydownyet on April 16, 2011, 02:05:08 PM
nope
i didnt think a law abiding citizen like doc would be up to that sort of craic !
fight is not on sky but primetime (channel 480), about £15
Hoping http://www.vipstand.com/sports/boxing.html works
Good man O'Neill - keep the links coming lads!
what time are they expected to fight?? heard they thought around 10pm...
Just tuned in getting excited now, Duke Mckenzie talking about Khan on a different level (easy enough to make the argument to be fair given the opposition they have fought), but they talk about his amazing performance against Maidana. Amazing in that he was supposed to be the class act in the fight who would win every round against a slugger who would always be in with a punchers chance - yet he got more than he could ever have asked for and was very lucky. Revisionism of that victory after the fact has been massive!
Khan in 4.
Quote from: ONeill on April 16, 2011, 08:17:48 PM
Khan in 4.
Feck i hope not, hope Dudey keeps his hands up a bit more. Still think if McCloskey doesn't find him out someone will. Maidana hit him all too easily.
Any links on the go lads?
try this
http://tykestv.info/index.html
http://www.vipstand.com/watch/26414/2/primetime---amir-khan-v-paul-mccloskey-(wba-light-welterweight-title)-martin-murray-vs-john-anderson-carvalho,-andrei-isaeu-vs-rendall-munroe.html
I'm not getting much sense out of that link fella...somebody produce a link there hi...sur...
Working for me sur
That link just throws me to the main menu? Where do I go after that?
Is it link 1?
yes
just gone down :'(
I got it on link 3
up again. ready to go.
the amount of checked shirts in the crowd :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2011, 09:40:49 PM
try this
http://tykestv.info/index.html
Works for me, thanks Milltown
Quote from: The Claw on April 16, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2011, 09:40:49 PM
try this
http://tykestv.info/index.html
Works for me, thanks Milltown
the link is fine here!!! Dudey seems in good form here. very relaxed and in good spirits
http://www.super-sportz.net/Channel%201.htm
10:30 start?*
Edit*nevermind looks like it's gonna start shortly.
Seems more nervous now :o
COME ON TA FCUK DUDEY!!
Khan wouldn't last three curts at Slaughtneil
Rd 1 Kahn, but didn't land too many
http://www.faran.tv/p/ch2.html
Any good links lads can find a working one?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 16, 2011, 10:18:43 PM
Any good links lads can find a working one?
That works on an iPhone ?
More even there but again have to give it to Kahn but I don't think its going too badly for Dudey
Going well here. Khan not great
Who keeps blowing that f**kin horn!!
Rd 3 again just about to Kahn but not landing any decent punches
Same again. All 4 rounds have been the same IMO
Khan winning but not by much, Dudey needs to get on top of him more.
Encouraging performance
Kahn can't get near him. Dudey's defence outstanding as usual but Kahn is winning because he is busier
THAT IS THE BIGGEST JOKE EVER
feck that
Joke city
thats the way it goes, Khan wasn't great but up to that point he won the fight
What happened k o to Khan?
Hearn going mad
feck that. he probably won every round, but very dissatisfactory. not even close to being a cut worthy of stopping a fight by the looks of things
what happened exactly?
Clash of heads leading to a cut above Dudey's eye, ref and doc called it and it went to scorecard where Kahn was ahead
He would have went 12 rounds i think but awful ending to a world title fight.
Ineptitude of the referee staggering says Hearn. Not a happy camper.
accidental clash of heads, Khan didn't do much but was busier and deserved to be comfortably ahead as Dudey wasn't busy enough but stupid decision from doctor in world title fight - he could have at least given him a chance. Khan couldn't hit him properly up to that point and the cut was fairly innocuous by the looks of things - sure there was no blood pouring 30 seconds after they stopped it!
Quote from: ross4life on April 16, 2011, 10:43:05 PM
He would have went 12 rounds i think but awful ending to a world title fight.
optimistic opinion, dudey was looking ropey
Neither fighter proved anything. Lucky escape by Sky.
Glad I didn't bother spending £15 on that then :o
DERS MORE TO DUDEY DAN DIS!
fair point from Paul, this talk of P4P is way too premature for Khan - for my money Bradley schools him. There is no chance in hell Dudey gets a rematch
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on April 16, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 16, 2011, 10:43:05 PM
He would have went 12 rounds i think but awful ending to a world title fight.
optimistic opinion, dudey was looking ropey
You've not watched a lot of boxing then i take it. No question he wasn't winning, but looking ropey? Get yourself some glasses
A very bad call but I think Dudley was happy enough we it was initially called to an end.
almost glad that was over after 6, every round was very samey. disappointed in dudey tbh
as steve collins said "this is boxing not tennis". seemed like a poor decision by the doctor.
Khan sounds like a hateful arrogant character.
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on April 16, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 16, 2011, 10:43:05 PM
He would have went 12 rounds i think but awful ending to a world title fight.
optimistic opinion, dudey was looking ropey
You've not watched a lot of boxing then i take it. No question he wasn't winning, but looking ropey? Get yourself some glasses
sure he was on the canvas in round 5 and in round 6 he looked drunk at one stage the way he was staggering about. khan speaking the truth here
Khan ="he refused to carry on" & " I stumbled him a few times". Gimme a break.
Think very disrespectful afterwards from Khan, I reckon Bradley schools him, but unfortunately not a puncher to punish him. I'd like to see Cotto or Moseley get in against him. Mosely might be slowing down massively but he aint been stopped (until a few weeks time agaist pac man), and has serious power to put him on the seat of his pants.
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on April 16, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on April 16, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 16, 2011, 10:43:05 PM
He would have went 12 rounds i think but awful ending to a world title fight.
optimistic opinion, dudey was looking ropey
You've not watched a lot of boxing then i take it. No question he wasn't winning, but looking ropey? Get yourself some glasses
sure he was on the canvas in round 5 and in round 6 he looked drunk at one stage the way he was staggering about. khan speaking the truth here
I'll relax, you're obviously on the wind up...
I think Hearn was a disgrace by the way, could have caused a riot!
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
fair point from Paul, this talk of P4P is way too premature for Khan - for my money Bradley schools him. There is no chance in hell Dudey gets a rematch
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
You've not watched a lot of boxing then i take it. No question he wasn't winning, but looking ropey? Get yourself some glasses
Agreed on both counts, the amount of solid punches Kahn landed can be counted on one hand. Would also fancy Bradley to beat him. Dudey showed he is a good boxer
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on April 16, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on April 16, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 16, 2011, 10:43:05 PM
He would have went 12 rounds i think but awful ending to a world title fight.
optimistic opinion, dudey was looking ropey
You've not watched a lot of boxing then i take it. No question he wasn't winning, but looking ropey? Get yourself some glasses
sure he was on the canvas in round 5 and in round 6 he looked drunk at one stage the way he was staggering about. khan speaking the truth here
I'll relax, you're obviously on the wind up...
dudey was staggering END OF
Khan was putting everything into every round and was tiring, McCloskey IMO was lapping it up and then going to go for it in the later rounds. Khan would have had to change his strategy because it wasn't working. What a shite ending!
khan saying on five live that they will be no re match as he is at world class level where as our boy only at european level
Khan ="he refused to carry on" & " I stumbled him a few times". Gimme a break.
Think very disrespectful afterwards from Khan, I reckon Bradley schools him, but unfortunately not a puncher to punish him. I'd like to see Cotto or Moseley get in against him. Mosely might be slowing down massively but he aint been stopped (until a few weeks time agaist pac man), and has serious power to put him on the seat of his pants.
I might've mis understood it but i think he was talking about the ref when he said that!Awful decision by the ref to stop it,looked like Khan was getting more and more eager to get the fight over and done with as the fight went on and Mc Cluskey gave me the impression of a man willing to bide his time until he got his chance to land a big combo and finish it,but i'm only a part timer so........
Lads the tv guys can't find one solid punch landed by Kahn except for the body punch. He couldn't get near him!
we can all talk a good fight but here is is the simple reality, Khan had won the fight up to the 6th round could have won another two rounds and would have left McCloskey needing a knockout. Khan didn't land too many hard punches but neither did Dudey
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2011, 11:05:07 PM
we can all talk a good fight but here is is the simple reality, Khan had won the fight up to the 6th round could have won another two rounds and would have left McCloskey needing a knockout. Khan didn't land too many hard punches but neither did Dudey
Agreed but as Collins said, he made Kahn look ordinary and as the fight went on was coming more into it.
Quote from: The Claw on April 16, 2011, 11:01:22 PM
Lads the tv guys can't find one solid punch landed by Kahn except for the body punch. He couldn't get near him!
McCloskey is in the game long enough to know the busier fighter will take the points in a tight round, so although there may be cause for complaint on the decision of the doctor and ref, Khan was deemed to be ahead on the card.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2011, 11:05:07 PM
we can all talk a good fight but here is is the simple reality, Khan had won the fight up to the 6th round could have won another two rounds and would have left McCloskey needing a knockout. Khan didn't land too many hard punches but neither did Dudey
Not disputing that Milltown, I've said he was clearly losing, and likely would have needed to stop him (or drop him a few times) which did not look likelly, but decision from doctor beggars belief in my opinion. No such thing as a good cut but wasn't a bleeder.
What annoys me more than anything is Khan afterwards saying he din't want to know. Didn't like him before, thought he was over rated, continue to think he is overrated and hope he gets his arse handed to him sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 16, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 16, 2011, 11:01:22 PM
Lads the tv guys can't find one solid punch landed by Kahn except for the body punch. He couldn't get near him!
McCloskey is in the game long enough to know the busier fighter will take the points in a tight round, so although there may be cause for complaint on the decision of the doctor and ref, Khan was deemed to be ahead on the card.
I agree, I had all 3 rounds to Kahn and maybe a draw in the fourth (as you can see from my posts) simply because he was the busier fighter. If Dudey could have capitalised on Kahn's misses it might have been different. Just making the point that Dudey's defence was outstanding
All those flashy boxers say those things, don't fault him for that. he was made to look ordinary but still won the rounds handy, Thought Dudey could have landed more punches as he was dominating the ring and taking the fight to Khan.
Have been to many fights and this happens, less so in title fights to be fair but it did bleed quite heavy at the start, but wasn't that bad on reflection.
Done Dudey no harm and will open up more title fights for him, Inter continental maybe
Disgusted by Freddie Roach's comments, Paul never quit and I thought Freddie had more class than that. Khan ahead no doubt but it was only half time, he looked a bit drained at the weight so who knows.
Would the ref have stopped it if it was the other way round?? Just looked like team Khan were more than happy with the outcome, most champions would have been Disappointed with victory in such circumstances.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2011, 11:16:02 PM
All those flashy boxers say those things, don't fault him for that. he was made to look ordinary but still won the rounds handy, Thought Dudey could have landed more punches as he was dominating the ring and taking the fight to Khan.
Have been to many fights and this happens, less so in title fights to be fair but it did bleed quite heavy at the start, but wasn't that bad on reflection.
Done Dudey no harm and will open up more title fights for him, Inter continental maybe
I'd absolutely fault him for that, shows no class whatsoever. He believes his own hype. I may be wrong of course but he certainly aint Pac-Man mark 2.
Not sure about opening things up for Dudey We knew how awkward he was, now so does everyone else. I hope you're right but I fear the opposite.
Dudley is on Radio 5 Live with the fat boy! Poor form from Khan with those comments. A true champion conducts himself much better than that.
It was never going to be a fight where mc closkey came out blazing leaving himself open to be picked off. Khan threw more but never really landed anything woth note. However Khan was slowing down and his punch count was dropping. Mc closkeys game plan was obviusly for the secong half of the fight.
The Khan team were quickly telling him ( or what appearred to be ) that there would be no rematch. They'll absorb the controversy and it will be forgot about in a day or two.
In a strange way it may have done Mc closkey no harm at all.
Dont think Khan is good enough to unify the division and it is a hype media machine. Never ever seen Barry Hearn react in such a manner which is indicitive to how bad a decision it was.
De la hoya and Khan quick to quash any talk of a rematch and all the talks of appeals are futile as it was a voluntary defence by Khan.
Honestly belive that Mc Closkey was turning and would have opened up more to give Khan a fright and half in the remainder
Very unsatisfactory end to the fight , yes Kahn won at least 4 of the first five rounds but he didn't hurt Dudey and who knows what might have happened , , have been been watching boxingfor a long time and can't remember a fight being stopped so quickly for a cut before( esp with 30 secs to go to the end of the round) , Paul you did Dungiven, Derry and Ireland proud.
Heard there was a bit of trouble at the event.
Let's just hope Board Regular Atticus Finch gets home with both his person and his sanity intact.
God help them if Atticus starts swinging a few haymakers! seen him lay the smack down once or twice before. Wild Man!
Anyone have a link to interviews after the fight missed them.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on April 17, 2011, 10:57:38 AM
Anyone have a link to interviews after the fight missed them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13107047.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13107047.stm)
Audio links to both about half way down the article. Kahn is hard to listen to. You always hear of bad losers but to me he is a bad winner and that can be worse. Fair enough he didn't make the decision but if he is so sure of himself then a rematch would be of little bother to him. Hope Bradley knocks the head of him and he fades away into the wilderness, cocky wee git.
Quote from: andoireabu on April 17, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on April 17, 2011, 10:57:38 AM
Anyone have a link to interviews after the fight missed them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13107047.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13107047.stm)
Audio links to both about half way down the article. Kahn is hard to listen to. You always hear of bad losers but to me he is a bad winner and that can be worse. Fair enough he didn't make the decision but if he is so sure of himself then a rematch would be of little bother to him. Hope Bradley knocks the head of him and he fades away into the wilderness, cocky wee git.
hard to listen to surely! would love to see him fight a wrecking machine like mossely!!! get the wee british/pakistan head knocked off him!!!!
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2011, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2011, 11:16:02 PM
All those flashy boxers say those things, don't fault him for that. he was made to look ordinary but still won the rounds handy, Thought Dudey could have landed more punches as he was dominating the ring and taking the fight to Khan.
Have been to many fights and this happens, less so in title fights to be fair but it did bleed quite heavy at the start, but wasn't that bad on reflection.
Done Dudey no harm and will open up more title fights for him, Inter continental maybe
I'd absolutely fault him for that, shows no class whatsoever. He believes his own hype. I may be wrong of course but he certainly aint Pac-Man mark 2.
Boxing is about marketing - theres no way khan wanted a rematch, so he had to (no doubt with schooling from his corner) head off media led appeals for one - if he'd hinted at even the possibility of one it would have been all over the papers, then it would have been harder for him to back out.
I feel good, thnx for asking everyone, feels tho iv not been in a fight I had tougher sparring, no disrespect to ... http://tmi.me/8Xvk8
12:24 AM Apr 17th via ÜberSocial
His team wanted a rematch lol . But I aint surprised mccloskey stayed quite, end of the day its him that was getting wacked in the ring
12:22 AM Apr 17th via ÜberSocial
Mccloskey was slower then I thought. But had good lateral movement but at times was all over the place. Mainly surviving in the fight.
12:21 AM Apr 17th via ÜberSocial
Won the fight by 6-0 went to score cards. Head clash, mccloskey was getting out boxed and another round would of got knockd out, he was hurt
12:20 AM Apr 17th via ÜberSocial
Haye - Wladimir confirmed for July 2nd in Hamburg:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/13140466.stm
Anyone know if it's possible to get Box Office on UPC?
try and watch Ortiz v Berto if yous get the chance. A real war.
It's almost a full week later and the events of last Saturday in Manchester are still not sinking in.
Want to clear up one misconception that some people seem to have - McCloskey was not stopped by Khan, he was stopped by a cut. When it goes to the scorecards like that it's a technical decision not a technical knockout.
So when i said a couple of posts back that Khan would never stop McCloskey i think i was proved right. Never at one stage did Khan have McCloskey in any difficulty, you might turn around and say "well, i can say vice versa" but McCloskey's gameplan was never going to see Khan in any bother, that early phase of the fight for him was just going to be finding your fight and tire Khan out who was always going to go for the early knockout.
The decision itself was an absolute joke, it's been talked about enough already, but what's the point in McCloskey employing cuts people if they are not even allowed to do their job ?
I was happy with the way the fight was going, in my eyes McCloskey was looking stronger as each round went on and i do believe he would have had his window of opportunity between rounds 10-12. But i'll guess we'll never know.
Khan is a seriously over rated fighter, Bradley would wipe the floor with him and anyone that is talking about him moving up a division is deluded. The top 6 or 7 guys in the welterweight division would handle Khan without much difficulty.
I've heard a couple of names about who McCloskey could potentially face next and feel that in terms of match making the Khan fight has done him no harm. Promoters won't have failed to notice his fanbase.
Moving on ... I see a date for Klitchsko vs Haye has been set, 2nd of July the same date Matthew Macklin was originally due to fight Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title. Being realistic the Haye event would have completely overshadowed macklin's fight, same date, same country. They had no choice but to move it to a week earlier of June the 25th.
Was chatting to Maclkin in manchester and was just asking him about the whole PPV scandal because it was his withdrawal from the undercard that really triggered the whole Khan and sky break up. The way Macklin put it - it was a no brainer, fight on the undercard for not great money or else fight for a world title and for considerably more money. Khan's continuous short changing of people was always going to come back to bite him at some stage.
His break up with Sky is going to cost him bigstyle, one person that seems fit to reap the benefits of it though is Carl Froch, funny the timing of his breakup with Mick Hennessy. But in fairness if Froch isn't getting the exposure he deserves he had to make some sort of move, if he hooks up with the Hearns (which looks likely at this stage) then he should get his exposure.
I think I've found a home for myself on this board! ;D
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 23, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
It's almost a full week later and the events of last Saturday in Manchester are still not sinking in.
Want to clear up one misconception that some people seem to have - McCloskey was not stopped by Khan, he was stopped by a cut. When it goes to the scorecards like that it's a technical decision not a technical knockout.
So when i said a couple of posts back that Khan would never stop McCloskey i think i was proved right. Never at one stage did Khan have McCloskey in any difficulty, you might turn around and say "well, i can say vice versa" but McCloskey's gameplan was never going to see Khan in any bother, that early phase of the fight for him was just going to be finding your fight and tire Khan out who was always going to go for the early knockout.
The decision itself was an absolute joke, it's been talked about enough already, but what's the point in McCloskey employing cuts people if they are not even allowed to do their job ?
I was happy with the way the fight was going, in my eyes McCloskey was looking stronger as each round went on and i do believe he would have had his window of opportunity between rounds 10-12. But i'll guess we'll never know.
Khan is a seriously over rated fighter, Bradley would wipe the floor with him and anyone that is talking about him moving up a division is deluded. The top 6 or 7 guys in the welterweight division would handle Khan without much difficulty.
I've heard a couple of names about who McCloskey could potentially face next and feel that in terms of match making the Khan fight has done him no harm. Promoters won't have failed to notice his fanbase.
Moving on ... I see a date for Klitchsko vs Haye has been set, 2nd of July the same date Matthew Macklin was originally due to fight Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title. Being realistic the Haye event would have completely overshadowed macklin's fight, same date, same country. They had no choice but to move it to a week earlier of June the 25th.
Was chatting to Maclkin in manchester and was just asking him about the whole PPV scandal because it was his withdrawal from the undercard that really triggered the whole Khan and sky break up. The way Macklin put it - it was a no brainer, fight on the undercard for not great money or else fight for a world title and for considerably more money. Khan's continuous short changing of people was always going to come back to bite him at some stage.
His break up with Sky is going to cost him bigstyle, one person that seems fit to reap the benefits of it though is Carl Froch, funny the timing of his breakup with Mick Hennessy. But in fairness if Froch isn't getting the exposure he deserves he had to make some sort of move, if he hooks up with the Hearns (which looks likely at this stage) then he should get his exposure.
So would Dudey change his style if he were to fight Khan again and maybe win a round, just in case he gets cut and they stop the fight?
I won't buy into your thinking Atticus, i seen nothing from Dudey in the first 6 rounds and while Khan wasn't much better he was clearly better in each round than him.
Khan will move up a weight and will avoid all the big hitters for sure, his biggest mistake was going professional in my opinion. London 2012 could have made him a bigger star.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Khan will move up a weight and will avoid all the big hitters for sure, his biggest mistake was going professional in my opinion. London 2012 could have made him a bigger star.
No way. Athens was EIGHT years ago. I cant see that waiting 8 years in the hope of improving on a silver would have made any difference.
Look at all the PPV fights he has made in the mean time.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 23, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
It's almost a full week later and the events of last Saturday in Manchester are still not sinking in.
Want to clear up one misconception that some people seem to have - McCloskey was not stopped by Khan, he was stopped by a cut. When it goes to the scorecards like that it's a technical decision not a technical knockout.
So when i said a couple of posts back that Khan would never stop McCloskey i think i was proved right. Never at one stage did Khan have McCloskey in any difficulty, you might turn around and say "well, i can say vice versa" but McCloskey's gameplan was never going to see Khan in any bother, that early phase of the fight for him was just going to be finding your fight and tire Khan out who was always going to go for the early knockout.
The decision itself was an absolute joke, it's been talked about enough already, but what's the point in McCloskey employing cuts people if they are not even allowed to do their job ?
I was happy with the way the fight was going, in my eyes McCloskey was looking stronger as each round went on and i do believe he would have had his window of opportunity between rounds 10-12. But i'll guess we'll never know.
Khan is a seriously over rated fighter, Bradley would wipe the floor with him and anyone that is talking about him moving up a division is deluded. The top 6 or 7 guys in the welterweight division would handle Khan without much difficulty.
I've heard a couple of names about who McCloskey could potentially face next and feel that in terms of match making the Khan fight has done him no harm. Promoters won't have failed to notice his fanbase.
Moving on ... I see a date for Klitchsko vs Haye has been set, 2nd of July the same date Matthew Macklin was originally due to fight Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title. Being realistic the Haye event would have completely overshadowed macklin's fight, same date, same country. They had no choice but to move it to a week earlier of June the 25th.
Was chatting to Maclkin in manchester and was just asking him about the whole PPV scandal because it was his withdrawal from the undercard that really triggered the whole Khan and sky break up. The way Macklin put it - it was a no brainer, fight on the undercard for not great money or else fight for a world title and for considerably more money. Khan's continuous short changing of people was always going to come back to bite him at some stage.
His break up with Sky is going to cost him bigstyle, one person that seems fit to reap the benefits of it though is Carl Froch, funny the timing of his breakup with Mick Hennessy. But in fairness if Froch isn't getting the exposure he deserves he had to make some sort of move, if he hooks up with the Hearns (which looks likely at this stage) then he should get his exposure.
So would Dudey change his style if he were to fight Khan again and maybe win a round, just in case he gets cut and they stop the fight?
I won't buy into your thinking Atticus, i seen nothing from Dudey in the first 6 rounds and while Khan wasn't much better he was clearly better in each round than him.
Khan will move up a weight and will avoid all the big hitters for sure, his biggest mistake was going professional in my opinion. London 2012 could have made him a bigger star.
Sorry MR, haven't been on in a while. You can't legislate for what happened in Manchester .... i.e. a ridiculous decision.
The bet of the week or "that week" from two prominent UK bookmakers was for Khan to stop Dudey in rounds 1-3. In my opinion all Dudey had to do was not let Khan stop him to prove a lot of people wrong. I made no secret of it ....i harboured hopes that Dudey would stop him in the later rounds.
I'll never really know what would have happened, but i'm certain of one thing, Khan was never going to stop him. It is nothing but mere speculation but i think if the fight was allowed to go on (which it obviously should have been) that Dudey would have had his window of opportunity. Khan, after the initial success of inflicting damage in the Maidana fight was troubled in the later rounds, i think the same would have happened this time round. Khan was throwing a ridiculous amount of punches to no avail, that has to take it's toll ?
Despite his illustrious surroundings and companions, i don't think Khan is much different from the lad that was troubled my Willie Limond and destroyed by Bredis prescott. How he can be considered an elite fighter after fights against Paulie malignaggi and Maidana is beyone me ?
How can he move up a weight and avoid everyone ? Surely that wouldn't be comercially viable ? He couldn't have hung about for London 2012, his family saw the dollar signs from early doors. Frank Warren molly coddled him as much as he could have and the moment when he was put on a "PPV" bill he was found out.
Slapbang - name me one PPV fight that Khan has been involved in that merits the title of a PPV fight ? Please don't say Maidana .... he made Khan look good.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 01, 2011, 02:47:16 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 23, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
It's almost a full week later and the events of last Saturday in Manchester are still not sinking in.
Want to clear up one misconception that some people seem to have - McCloskey was not stopped by Khan, he was stopped by a cut. When it goes to the scorecards like that it's a technical decision not a technical knockout.
So when i said a couple of posts back that Khan would never stop McCloskey i think i was proved right. Never at one stage did Khan have McCloskey in any difficulty, you might turn around and say "well, i can say vice versa" but McCloskey's gameplan was never going to see Khan in any bother, that early phase of the fight for him was just going to be finding your fight and tire Khan out who was always going to go for the early knockout.
The decision itself was an absolute joke, it's been talked about enough already, but what's the point in McCloskey employing cuts people if they are not even allowed to do their job ?
I was happy with the way the fight was going, in my eyes McCloskey was looking stronger as each round went on and i do believe he would have had his window of opportunity between rounds 10-12. But i'll guess we'll never know.
Khan is a seriously over rated fighter, Bradley would wipe the floor with him and anyone that is talking about him moving up a division is deluded. The top 6 or 7 guys in the welterweight division would handle Khan without much difficulty.
I've heard a couple of names about who McCloskey could potentially face next and feel that in terms of match making the Khan fight has done him no harm. Promoters won't have failed to notice his fanbase.
Moving on ... I see a date for Klitchsko vs Haye has been set, 2nd of July the same date Matthew Macklin was originally due to fight Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title. Being realistic the Haye event would have completely overshadowed macklin's fight, same date, same country. They had no choice but to move it to a week earlier of June the 25th.
Was chatting to Maclkin in manchester and was just asking him about the whole PPV scandal because it was his withdrawal from the undercard that really triggered the whole Khan and sky break up. The way Macklin put it - it was a no brainer, fight on the undercard for not great money or else fight for a world title and for considerably more money. Khan's continuous short changing of people was always going to come back to bite him at some stage.
His break up with Sky is going to cost him bigstyle, one person that seems fit to reap the benefits of it though is Carl Froch, funny the timing of his breakup with Mick Hennessy. But in fairness if Froch isn't getting the exposure he deserves he had to make some sort of move, if he hooks up with the Hearns (which looks likely at this stage) then he should get his exposure.
So would Dudey change his style if he were to fight Khan again and maybe win a round, just in case he gets cut and they stop the fight?
I won't buy into your thinking Atticus, i seen nothing from Dudey in the first 6 rounds and while Khan wasn't much better he was clearly better in each round than him.
Khan will move up a weight and will avoid all the big hitters for sure, his biggest mistake was going professional in my opinion. London 2012 could have made him a bigger star.
Sorry MR, haven't been on in a while. You can't legislate for what happened in Manchester .... i.e. a ridiculous decision.
The bet of the week or "that week" from two prominent UK bookmakers was for Khan to stop Dudey in rounds 1-3. In my opinion all Dudey had to do was not let Khan stop him to prove a lot of people wrong. I made no secret of it ....i harboured hopes that Dudey would stop him in the later rounds.
I'll never really know what would have happened, but i'm certain of one thing, Khan was never going to stop him. It is nothing but mere speculation but i think if the fight was allowed to go on (which it obviously should have been) that Dudey would have had his window of opportunity. Khan, after the initial success of inflicting damage in the Maidana fight was troubled in the later rounds, i think the same would have happened this time round. Khan was throwing a ridiculous amount of punches to no avail, that has to take it's toll ?
Despite his illustrious surroundings and companions, i don't think Khan is much different from the lad that was troubled my Willie Limond and destroyed by Bredis prescott. How he can be considered an elite fighter after fights against Paulie malignaggi and Maidana is beyone me ?
How can he move up a weight and avoid everyone ? Surely that wouldn't be comercially viable ? He couldn't have hung about for London 2012, his family saw the dollar signs from early doors. Frank Warren molly coddled him as much as he could have and the moment when he was put on a "PPV" bill he was found out.
Slapbang - name me one PPV fight that Khan has been involved in that merits the title of a PPV fight ? Please don't say Maidana .... he made Khan look good.
Atticus I agree with you on some points:
i) beating Maidana / Malignaggi should in no way make Khan an "elite" fighter particularly as he was widely expected to totally outbox Maidana if he did not get tagged, something he singularly failed to do.
ii) there is no way the fight should have been stopped, i think everyone agrees on that
iii) Maidana / Khan should not have been PPV. In retrospect it was well worth it though, with the fight making Khan a lot more marketable.
However where the fight went from when it was stopped I'm not sure. Khan did wobble him briefly (in the 5th i think) and no guarantees he would not have done so again. There is no question Dudey lost each round, not because Khan was good but because he himself didn't do anything. I think their game plan was crazy - they could not rely on KO'ing Khan which is effectively what they did by handing him the first six rounds on a plate. To win a world title you have to take it from the champion - there was no way he was going to get a decision if it was close, so their game-plan in my mind was flawed from the outset. They backed themselves into a corner, and while you can't legislate for crappy decisions, these things do happen.
I'm not sure where McCloskey goes from here. Awkward as hell there aren't too many top fighters will fancy having him drag their reputation down in a no win fight. Junior Witter was ringside, maybe they get it on, would be good name to have on his record.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 23, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
It's almost a full week later and the events of last Saturday in Manchester are still not sinking in.
Want to clear up one misconception that some people seem to have - McCloskey was not stopped by Khan, he was stopped by a cut. When it goes to the scorecards like that it's a technical decision not a technical knockout.
So when i said a couple of posts back that Khan would never stop McCloskey i think i was proved right. Never at one stage did Khan have McCloskey in any difficulty, you might turn around and say "well, i can say vice versa" but McCloskey's gameplan was never going to see Khan in any bother, that early phase of the fight for him was just going to be finding your fight and tire Khan out who was always going to go for the early knockout.
The decision itself was an absolute joke, it's been talked about enough already, but what's the point in McCloskey employing cuts people if they are not even allowed to do their job ?
I was happy with the way the fight was going, in my eyes McCloskey was looking stronger as each round went on and i do believe he would have had his window of opportunity between rounds 10-12. But i'll guess we'll never know.
Khan is a seriously over rated fighter, Bradley would wipe the floor with him and anyone that is talking about him moving up a division is deluded. The top 6 or 7 guys in the welterweight division would handle Khan without much difficulty.
I've heard a couple of names about who McCloskey could potentially face next and feel that in terms of match making the Khan fight has done him no harm. Promoters won't have failed to notice his fanbase.
Moving on ... I see a date for Klitchsko vs Haye has been set, 2nd of July the same date Matthew Macklin was originally due to fight Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title. Being realistic the Haye event would have completely overshadowed macklin's fight, same date, same country. They had no choice but to move it to a week earlier of June the 25th.
Was chatting to Maclkin in manchester and was just asking him about the whole PPV scandal because it was his withdrawal from the undercard that really triggered the whole Khan and sky break up. The way Macklin put it - it was a no brainer, fight on the undercard for not great money or else fight for a world title and for considerably more money. Khan's continuous short changing of people was always going to come back to bite him at some stage.
His break up with Sky is going to cost him bigstyle, one person that seems fit to reap the benefits of it though is Carl Froch, funny the timing of his breakup with Mick Hennessy. But in fairness if Froch isn't getting the exposure he deserves he had to make some sort of move, if he hooks up with the Hearns (which looks likely at this stage) then he should get his exposure.
So would Dudey change his style if he were to fight Khan again and maybe win a round, just in case he gets cut and they stop the fight?
I won't buy into your thinking Atticus, i seen nothing from Dudey in the first 6 rounds and while Khan wasn't much better he was clearly better in each round than him.
Khan will move up a weight and will avoid all the big hitters for sure, his biggest mistake was going professional in my opinion. London 2012 could have made him a bigger star.
Are you being serious when you say Khan's biggest mistake was turning pro and not hanging around as an amateur for another 8 years-he's a millionaire and a world champion-he has topped the bill in Vegas-plenty of big fights and yet more dollars out there
How did Ardboe/Moortown game go?
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on May 01, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 23, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
It's almost a full week later and the events of last Saturday in Manchester are still not sinking in.
Want to clear up one misconception that some people seem to have - McCloskey was not stopped by Khan, he was stopped by a cut. When it goes to the scorecards like that it's a technical decision not a technical knockout.
So when i said a couple of posts back that Khan would never stop McCloskey i think i was proved right. Never at one stage did Khan have McCloskey in any difficulty, you might turn around and say "well, i can say vice versa" but McCloskey's gameplan was never going to see Khan in any bother, that early phase of the fight for him was just going to be finding your fight and tire Khan out who was always going to go for the early knockout.
The decision itself was an absolute joke, it's been talked about enough already, but what's the point in McCloskey employing cuts people if they are not even allowed to do their job ?
I was happy with the way the fight was going, in my eyes McCloskey was looking stronger as each round went on and i do believe he would have had his window of opportunity between rounds 10-12. But i'll guess we'll never know.
Khan is a seriously over rated fighter, Bradley would wipe the floor with him and anyone that is talking about him moving up a division is deluded. The top 6 or 7 guys in the welterweight division would handle Khan without much difficulty.
I've heard a couple of names about who McCloskey could potentially face next and feel that in terms of match making the Khan fight has done him no harm. Promoters won't have failed to notice his fanbase.
Moving on ... I see a date for Klitchsko vs Haye has been set, 2nd of July the same date Matthew Macklin was originally due to fight Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title. Being realistic the Haye event would have completely overshadowed macklin's fight, same date, same country. They had no choice but to move it to a week earlier of June the 25th.
Was chatting to Maclkin in manchester and was just asking him about the whole PPV scandal because it was his withdrawal from the undercard that really triggered the whole Khan and sky break up. The way Macklin put it - it was a no brainer, fight on the undercard for not great money or else fight for a world title and for considerably more money. Khan's continuous short changing of people was always going to come back to bite him at some stage.
His break up with Sky is going to cost him bigstyle, one person that seems fit to reap the benefits of it though is Carl Froch, funny the timing of his breakup with Mick Hennessy. But in fairness if Froch isn't getting the exposure he deserves he had to make some sort of move, if he hooks up with the Hearns (which looks likely at this stage) then he should get his exposure.
So would Dudey change his style if he were to fight Khan again and maybe win a round, just in case he gets cut and they stop the fight?
I won't buy into your thinking Atticus, i seen nothing from Dudey in the first 6 rounds and while Khan wasn't much better he was clearly better in each round than him.
Khan will move up a weight and will avoid all the big hitters for sure, his biggest mistake was going professional in my opinion. London 2012 could have made him a bigger star.
Are you being serious when you say Khan's biggest mistake was turning pro and not hanging around as an amateur for another 8 years-he's a millionaire and a world champion-he has topped the bill in Vegas-plenty of big fights and yet more dollars out there
Turning pro too early in my opinion, he would be a millionaire anyway regardless but had he become an Olympic Champion (no guarantee) more exposure more money and guaranteed PPV every time. It would have improved his boxing ability also, that's were I'm justifying my post.
On the Dudey fight, it was harsh and no one bar the Khan stable are saying otherwise that it was a poor call by the referee.
Khan is overrated but still managed to out score Dudey, so where does that put Dudey? I think McCloskey will get a few title shots again and he came away as a creditable fighter, but if the posters on here keep knocking Khan and saying he is rubbish the Dudey must be way off the mark ;)
Our 'Enery, Henry Cooper has died.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/13256045.stm
Great fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozRTSSaP6p4
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 01, 2011, 02:47:16 AMDespite his illustrious surroundings and companions, i don't think Khan is much different from the lad that was troubled my Willie Limond and destroyed by Bredis prescott. How he can be considered an elite fighter after fights against Paulie malignaggi and Maidana is beyone me ?
How can he move up a weight and avoid everyone ? Surely that wouldn't be comercially viable ? He couldn't have hung about for London 2012, his family saw the dollar signs from early doors. Frank Warren molly coddled him as much as he could have and the moment when he was put on a "PPV" bill he was found out.
Slapbang - name me one PPV fight that Khan has been involved in that merits the title of a PPV fight ? Please don't say Maidana .... he made Khan look good.
I am pretty much against ALL PPVs but I never said any of his PPVs were PPV worthy.
Can just simply cant agree that waiting until 2012 would have benefitted him. A. He would have had to wait 8 years to try and go one better than he did in Athens - massive risk - MASSIVE! B. Even if he did go one better there is likely to be other British boxing golds and some of that limelight will be taken away. C. He wont be amazing wonderkid that he was in Athens - that was a lot to do with the attention he got. D. His team had to strike whilst the iron was hot and they have made their fighter millions in a period where you would have prefered to see him living on Grants. E. He turned pro and won a world title before the 2012 game have even started.
I cant see any and I mean ANY benefit that you would have gotten by staying am. All I can see is big risks and wasted time, money and opportunities.
Pacquiao v Mosley this weekend what are your views guys? should be a good fight & worth staying up for.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2011, 02:48:25 PM
Pacquiao v Mosley this weekend what are your views guys? should be a good fight & worth staying up for.
I think I will, what channel?
Quote from: paco on May 04, 2011, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2011, 02:48:25 PM
Pacquiao v Mosley this weekend what are your views guys? should be a good fight & worth staying up for.
I think I will, what channel?
Sky Sports http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12947,00.html
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2011, 02:48:25 PM
Pacquiao v Mosley this weekend what are your views guys? should be a good fight & worth staying up for.
Definitely worth watching. Mosley has lost some of his speed but little of his Power and he has the chance to rock the Pac Man. Can't see Shane winning but worth the watch - should be an epic display
Looking forward to the fight. Anyone who usually watches the HBO 24/7 might be interested in a similar version this time around. It isn't done by HBO as HBO aren't showing the fight. If you search "Showtime Pacquiao v Mosley" you'll get it. I can't put the links up now because I'm in work but will do so later unless someone has done so in the mean time.
reckon Pac-Man becomes first to stop him in pretty one sided fight unless Moslet pulls out something extraordinary
At this stage Mosley is a shadow of what he was. A sure fire 1st ballot HOF entrant, but his time is long since up. Mayweather demolished him, Pacquiao will do something similar. In the Margarito fight you could see his shock at the ref not stopping it, I don't think Sugar's corner would let him take the kind of beating Margarito did.
Cork lad in tricolour shorts on International Prizefighter the heavyweights tonight!
What time will fight start?
Hardly be any links to the fight??
http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/55807-Manny-Pacquiao-vs.-Shane-Mosley-7th-May
Cheers,will be hard to stay up to watch it but might try to
Fight won't be on until 4am by the looks of it?
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2011, 02:14:49 AM
Fight won't be on until 4am by the looks of it?
Big Vegas fights usually around 4-4.30am Irish time.
http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv.html
Regardless of the decision here, Pavlik is well on his way to being a shot fighter.
Outstanding final warm up fight between Arce and Vasquez. Joe Cortez let the final barrage go on too long, Vasquez resembled a bottle head by that stage. Didn't look like he was jumping in until the towel was thrown in.
Wow that was some fight, some turnaround by Jorge arce
Pac-man packing the punch again, Mosley will do well to recover from that round.
Mosley has recovered & no doubt will be looking to go the distance now.
Dreadful knockdown call in a round Pacquiao dominated!
Yeah joke though it's a Poor fight, crowd sounding very frustrated.
Deserved win, but poor fight in the end. No relentless pace from Pacquiao like we're used to, showed flashes and the left has Mosley's head snapping a few times.
Mayweather wouldn't have been made any more terrified having watched it.
how did prizefighter finish up? how did perez go?
Perez won.
In some style as well - I missed his first fight but won the others by early stoppage. Seemed to be a cut above everyone else on show.
Although in saying that, the lineup wasn't of the best quality on the night, it was hit by the withdrawal of Juan Carlos Gomez and Fres Oquendo (David Haye's sparring partner).
But still Perez did well and hopefully looks set to inject a bit of excitement in the heavyweight division and even with the looming contest of haye vs Klitschko that is always still welcome.
Laughing at someone here describing him as a cork lad, i was just waiting for him to refer to the rest of his opponents as "langers" when he was getting interviewed last night !
He's one out of a trio of lads that defected from Cuba a number of years back and are now based in Cork. Out of the three of them, Alexei Acosta is the one that was regarded as having the most talent you might have come across him along with the other cork based cuban Luis Garcia on the undercard of a couple of Brian Peter's shows. Was told that Mike Perez didn't show the best attitude and was partial to a sup since his defection. He couldn't have done much more to impress last night and hopefully prizegfighter will open a few doors for him. He has a great ring entrace tune - Shipping up to boston by The Dropkick Murphys. The irish have clearly already warmed to him.
Just finished watching the highlights of the Pacquiao vs Mosley bout - glad i did not stay up to watch it. It was nothing more than Joshua Clottey the sequel. Mosley was always going to be content with going the distance. If there's anything to be taken from that fight at all - you could say that it strengthens the case for those that would argue that Mayweather would come on top should him and Pacman ever meet. If Pacman found it difficult enough to open up holes in Mosley's defence, he's not exactly going to find it easy to achieve against PBF. Although at this stage if they ever did fight you'd have to wonder would PBF suffer from any ring rust he hasn't fought for a year but providing these court cases go his way i tihnk he's due to fight Victor Ortiz later this year - I could be wrong in thinking that.
Enjoyed the Arce vs vaquez show prior to it - at least it had a bit of drama in it.
I've got one eye on the Pavlik fight while i'm typing this, if Pavlik is going to be made mandatory challenger for Froch's WBC super middleweight crown, i really don't think Froch has anything to be worried about. Good to see that going forward it appears that Froch will get some of the exposure he deserves on sky.
MR - just a quick retort to one of your last posts - i've never said that McCloskey is world class - as regards for you saying he is way off the mark compared to Khan i completely disagree. Bookies clearly had him way off the mark with the way they priced up the bout. But Dudey did himself no harm by his display and made Khan look the level that he truly operates at, people will say the gameplan of a late stoppage by McCloskey's camp was flawed in hindsight but like me they'll never know what would have happened if that ridiculous decision didn't take place. If Dudey had obtained a late stoppage then everyone would have been lauding the game plan as genius. <--- that's the last time i'm talking about the Dudey vs Khan fight on this board.
As for where Dudey goes from here, i think on the basis of his fanbase he is a draw and will get fights, have heard a few names being floated about but still at an early stage from any definite fight being made. What i would say is - that if he is to enhance his boxing pedigree as well as his profile, his next fight should be in the States.
Don't get me wrong Dudey is a good enough fighter who will earn enough respect followed by enough money to make a life out of boxing, he comes across well when doing interviews and could well get a job in commentating after his career finishes. (could do no worse than the other clampits who currently do it)
I went to two of his bouts so it's not like i was basing my opinions of him from afar. He should get a few more cracks at various B titles of which he'll have to win well to get another dig at big men of that division. A lot of good fighters in the top flight and Khan probably the worst of them.
I accept your take on how Dudey was going about his fight that night. Well all have opinions and views and we wont always agree so we'll leave it at that ;) ;)
When do you think he'll get another fight?
There's a chance he could be chief support to Khan's next proposed bout which would be 23rd of July.
Problem being with team Khan nothing is straightforward and once upon a time that fight was to be against timothy bradley - that doesn't look like it'll happen now and Khan's plan B is to look at opponents that dudey was tentatively getting matched with.
So it would really depend on that in my opinion but at this stage i think it would be unlikely that he wold fight on July 23. Froch joining up with the Hearns probably isn't the best of news for Dudey. Froch will deservedly be their number one boy and they will rightly devote quite a bit of energy to promoting him just hope that's not to the detriment of Dudey.
No matter what, i would be surprised if Dudey doesn't have his next fight before October.
From watching the highlights this morning I can see that Sky are putting a lot of efforts into advertising their next PPV adventure - Groves vs De Gale. once again not a ppv event in my opinion, even if Nathan Cleverly is on the undercard. Sky seem to be a bit too keen to put the British fights on box office. Only British box office fighters out there at the minute in my opinion are Carl Froch and David Haye.
I see it looks like Khan has gone crawling back to Alex Ariza (strength and conditioning coach for the Maidana fight) i hope Ariza tells him where to go - that's my last bit of Khan bashing for a good while, promise ;)
Was thinking the same Atticus when I saw on Ringside that the Groves v De Gale fight is PPV, what a f**king joke considering the level those boys are at right now. I think they hope the fight will sell due to the supposed hatred between the 2 from their amateur days- fair enough a bit of drama/theatre can add to the build-up for a fight but this isn't the feckin WWE and most people recognise that it's bullshit anyway.
It's also very strange that the Cleverly fight is on the undercard given that it's for a world title!
I see that Lionel Rose the first aboriginal to win a world title has died.
Quote from: Sandino on May 08, 2011, 05:50:10 PM
I see that Lionel Rose the first aboriginal to win a world title has died.
Boxing's most famous pipe smoker!
Next Tuesday on More4. Could be interesting.
22:00 Tyson (T) (2008, Documentary) James Toback's documentary exploring the life and career of boxer Mike Tyson. A series of frank and revealing interviews with the man himself lifts the lid on his time under the guidance of promoter Don King, his conviction on sexual assault charges and the truth behind his actions during the infamous bout with Evander Holyfield.
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 08, 2011, 08:08:41 PM
Next Tuesday on More4. Could be interesting.
22:00 Tyson (T) (2008, Documentary) James Toback's documentary exploring the life and career of boxer Mike Tyson. A series of frank and revealing interviews with the man himself lifts the lid on his time under the guidance of promoter Don King, his conviction on sexual assault charges and the truth behind his actions during the infamous bout with Evander Holyfield.
This is a great show. It's quite sad at times and shows a different side of Iron Mike than what people are used to seeing.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 08, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on May 08, 2011, 08:08:41 PM
Next Tuesday on More4. Could be interesting.
22:00 Tyson (T) (2008, Documentary) James Toback's documentary exploring the life and career of boxer Mike Tyson. A series of frank and revealing interviews with the man himself lifts the lid on his time under the guidance of promoter Don King, his conviction on sexual assault charges and the truth behind his actions during the infamous bout with Evander Holyfield.
This is a great show. It's quite sad at times and shows a different side of Iron Mike than what people are used to seeing.
Agreed, it's excellent.
yip it's a good show but tyson is one f**ked up man
In his defense I think a lot of people would be as bad or worse off after the upbringing he had, the situations he was exposed to etc....
Can anyone find highlights of andy lee fight against alex bunema last night in the states it was PPV.???
Looking forward to seeing Groves against DeGale at the weekend, never wanted to see a fella get beat as much as I do DeGale. On top of that a fighter I have followed since his amateur days (Tony Bellew) has been drafted in to fight Nathan Cleverly. Bellew has fists of dynamite, but I am worried about his ability to take a punch after he was down a few times recently.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13458225.stm
I'm wondering was the above staged to try and generate some interest in the fight !
Quite entertaining !
Only reason i'll now watch it is because it's been moved from box office, it should never have been there in the first place but now that Braehmer has pulled out of the Cleverly bout Sky had no option.
As for getting an opponent at 48 hours notice, I think Frank Warren's done the best he could have with getting Bellew to step in. Fair play to Bellew for taking the fight at 48 hours notice, surely he must be a relation to Francie Bellew with a display of bravery like that ? Can't say i've followed his career but watched his last fight against Ovill McKenzie and i would be surprised if he troubles Cleverly.
For me De Gale to win on points.
And Cleverly to stop Bellew in the 6th round.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 19, 2011, 11:22:30 AM
Looking forward to seeing Groves against DeGale at the weekend, never wanted to see a fella get beat as much as I do DeGale. On top of that a fighter I have followed since his amateur days (Tony Bellew) has been drafted in to fight Nathan Cleverly. Bellew has fists of dynamite, but I am worried about his ability to take a punch after he was down a few times recently.
DeGales trash talk is cringe worthy. Hope he gets knocked out.
Bellew didn't make the weight and Warren decided against staging it at a catch weight and being a non title bout.
Cleverly now fighting some Polish chap Aleksy Kuziemski
Nothing is ever straight forward in boxing !
And Sky still have the audacity to make the bill PPV
Absolute joke Rocky, i had got the impression that they'd moved it from box office earlier but just realising despite the fiasco with the Cleverly fight they are keeping it on box office.
Maybe they have enough PPV buys already to justify keeping it PPV but i really don't think the De Gale vs Groves fight and the undercard merits a PPV billing.
I wonder would Sky refund money if customers started cancelling pre-orders- Reckon you would have to jump through some hoops to get round it
Any streams for tonight's boxing?
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=117593&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=117593&part=sports)
Quote from: RGU08 on May 21, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
Any streams for tonight's boxing?
most seem to be sticking, but the link below has been streaming well for the past half hour with no bother sir:
http://nwxyz.blogspot.com/
Quote from: J OGorman on May 21, 2011, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on May 21, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
Any streams for tonight's boxing?
most seem to be sticking, but the link below has been streaming well for the past half hour with no bother sir:
http://nwxyz.blogspot.com/
scrap that..went down
http://www.super-sportz.net/Channel%201.htm is live
Quote from: J OGorman on May 21, 2011, 10:27:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 21, 2011, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on May 21, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
Any streams for tonight's boxing?
most seem to be sticking, but the link below has been streaming well for the past half hour with no bother sir:
http://nwxyz.blogspot.com/
scrap that..went down
http://www.super-sportz.net/Channel%201.htm is live
HD link http://events.epixhd.com/boxing/
great link
second elbow the dirty hoor
Degale will win this, thought groves would have been better
close call
Groves shaded it, joke if it went DeGales way.
Great win. Thought the close call would go with Degale, thats the way it normally goes
Delighted Groves got it. Can't stand that DeGale. Who's ugly now ya p***k?
I had De Gale 115-113, but glad he got beat! Groves fought a very clever fight, he was much more impressive than when he beat that Scottish fella before Christmas which is the only other time I've seen him.
Bernard Hopkins becomes the oldest world champion after defeating Jean Pasqual tonite.Some man.
Delighted to see Groves win,there was little to choose between them but i think it was the right decision.DeGale is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is,hopefully that will take him down a peg or two.
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 22, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
Delighted to see Groves win,there was little to choose between them but i think it was the right decision.DeGale is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is,hopefully that will take him down a peg or two.
+1
B-Hop doing press ups in the ring last night ;D
Also i didnt see this one coming:
Oscar De La Hoya Checks Himself Into Rehab
Oscar De La Hoya has checked himself into a rehabilitation clinic in California, according to TMZ. Oscar De La Hoya is said to have checked in within the last few weeks for an unknown abuse problem.
The boxing legend had tweeted various motivational messages in the past few days, such as: 'Take a deep breath and let out all that anger that makes you hate. it really is going to be o.k' and 'Stop finding excuses not to live. Life is controlled by what you make of it and not of what it makes of you.' Following TMZ's report on Saturday (22 May 2011), ESPN reports that, in a statement, De La Hoya claimed: 'After doing an honest evaluation of myself, I recognize that there are certain issues that I need to work on. Like everyone, I have my flaws, and I do not want to be one of those people that is afraid to admit and address those flaws.' De La Hoya has asked people to respect his privacy in the next few months.
Oscar De La Hoya, who had won an Olympic Medal back in 1992, has a career record of 39-6. He retired from boxing in 2009.
Quote from: maigheo on May 22, 2011, 05:54:31 AM
Bernard Hopkins becomes the oldest world champion after defeating Jean Pasqual tonite.Some man.
A glorified spoiler who is nothing but a racist and because he is black he gets away with it.
Great to see that **** DeGale grttin beat. What a dickhead he was at that press conference--as was the boy Cleverly.
Fair play to B Hop there--theres a film in that --he was stabbed times by age 13 and served 5 years of an 18 year sentence when 17 yo before turning pro.
Cinderalla Man is some film by the way about Jim Brannock--light heavyweight fighter in the 1940's with Russell Crowe in it--highly recommend watchin it if anyone hasnt seen it
This is a video from Andy Lee's latest fight.
Andy Lee against Alex Bunema round 8.
http://youtu.be/OJiaQRySaDc
Having watched the fight, while it was fairly tight, i think De Gale won that by a couple of rounds.
De Gale is not a liked chap and wonder how much inflluence the crowd would have had on the judges.
Having said that not going to lose any sleep over De Gale not coming out the right side of a decision, he has no class and didn't show Groves any semblance of respect. He walked into that ring so casually you would have thought he was going to get breakfast.
Yeah Gold - Cinderella man is a great show, the book the film is based on about James Braddock's life is also very good.
Brings me to the question, what are people's top 5 favourite boxing films ?
Without having give it too much thought, my top 5 is as follows:
5. Rocky IV
4. The Hurricane
3. Cinderella Man
2. On the Waterfront
1. Raging Bull
Would love someone to make a film out of Roberto Duran's biography, Hands of Stone.
Was wondering if people thought DeGale was playing the part of the bad guy because it sells fights and gets him exposure?
To answer your boxing film question I would rank:
1. Rocky IV
2. Rocky III
3. Gladiator (Underground boxing with Cuba Gooding Jnr.)
4. Diggstown
5. Million Dollar Baby
I know these wouldn't be conventional picks but I really enjoyed them.....
Quote from: The Iceman on May 23, 2011, 08:10:41 PM
Was wondering if people thought DeGale was playing the part of the bad guy because it sells fights and gets him exposure?
To answer your boxing film question I would rank:
1. Rocky IV
2. Rocky III
3. Gladiator (Underground boxing with Cuba Gooding Jnr.)4. Diggstown
5. Million Dollar Baby
I know these wouldn't be conventional picks but I really enjoyed them.....
I love that film.
The great Tommy Riley.
Golden Gloves Champ!
When we were Kings
Somebody up there likes me
The Set Up ( I remember watching this years ago with my father and thought it as great)
On the waterfront
Raging Bull
Followed closely by the Champ ;)
All the bitching and public persona boxers has to be faked? Surely, its all about promotion, its all about selling the fight. Is degale that big a w**ker, i have my doubts, look a haye kiltskho i reckon they like each other deep down...
I think with all his pre-fight "ugly boy" chat and also his "winner takes all" bet, De Gale reminded me a bit of Floyd Mayweather and i think that was intentional on De Gale's part.
Unfortunately for De Gale while he could imitate some traits of PBF's behaviour outside the ring he wasn't so good at replicating his behaviour inside the ring.
Mayweather once said the following about himself :
"I'm running my mouth a lot and I'm looking for a guy to shut me up. If you don't shut me up I'm going to keep running my mouth. "
De Gale has now found that someone that has shut him up, it will be interesting to see how he acts in the run up to his next fight.
On the subject of boxing films - just ordered Homeboy, Mickey Rourke and Christopher Walken is in it. Think i watched it years and years ago and thought it was a good show at the time but can't really remember it. Just checked a reviews site and it got some terrible reviews ... i figure it's worth a shout as it was only a couple of quid on play.com.
While i was at it ordered Gladiator and Somebody up there likes me, hadn't ever heard of either of them to be honest but they sound worth a watch.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 23, 2011, 11:43:14 PM
I think with all his pre-fight "ugly boy" chat and also his "winner takes all" bet, De Gale reminded me a bit of Floyd Mayweather and i think that was intentional on De Gale's part.
Unfortunately for De Gale while he could imitate some traits of PBF's behaviour outside the ring he wasn't so good at replicating his behaviour inside the ring.
Mayweather once said the following about himself :
"I'm running my mouth a lot and I'm looking for a guy to shut me up. If you don't shut me up I'm going to keep running my mouth. "
De Gale has now found that someone that has shut him up, it will be interesting to see how he acts in the run up to his next fight.
On the subject of boxing films - just ordered Homeboy, Mickey Rourke and Christopher Walken is in it. Think i watched it years and years ago and thought it was a good show at the time but can't really remember it. Just checked a reviews site and it got some terrible reviews ... i figure it's worth a shout as it was only a couple of quid on play.com.
While i was at it ordered Gladiator and Somebody up there likes me, hadn't ever heard of either of them to be honest but they sound worth a watch.
Gladiator is a great movie I loved it very gritty!
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 23, 2011, 11:43:14 PM
While i was at it ordered Gladiator and Somebody up there likes me, hadn't ever heard of either of them to be honest but they sound worth a watch.
Let us know what you make of Gladiator when you're done.
Also Diggstown / Midnight Sting is worth a watch if you haven't seen it
Gladiator is a great show, good call lads havent seen it in yrs though. Isnt it strange that copyright still allowed other movies of the same name aka russell crowes one..
Make 'em think you're weak when you're strong......
Aye i think Russell Crowes film pushed the boxing Gladiator into obscurity. I know a lot of people haven't even heard of it!
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 21, 2011, 11:41:33 PM
Delighted Groves got it. Can't stand that DeGale. Who's ugly now ya p***k?
Yes brilliant thrilled that ar$ehole DeGale got beat who does he think he is? Some of the stuff he said to Groves was a disgrace
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 22, 2011, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: maigheo on May 22, 2011, 05:54:31 AM
Bernard Hopkins becomes the oldest world champion after defeating Jean Pasqual tonite.Some man.
A glorified spoiler who is nothing but a racist and because he is black he gets away with it.
Wouldnt agree with that. I think a lot of it is trash talk. I remember this story about him:
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-negler110208
Iceman - Just finished watching Gladiator there ... can see why it wouldn't be a critic's cup of tea ... but have to say, I enjoyed it !
few wee mini spoilers coming up so do not read on if you are interested in watching it ....
Thought i was in store for a ridiculous film when in his first fight, Tommy reilly not only defeated his opponent, but while he was at it he thought he'd do a "Skinner Bradley" and clock the ref as well ... declaring himself the winner while the ref was out for the count on the canvas :D
Loved that rap version of "In the name of love" !
But like any boxing movie worth it's salt .... it left ya with that Rockesque feeling whereby you feel that after watching the film you think you could not only be a boxer but be one of the greatest of all time !
Glad you liked it lad. You South Derry wans don't need to much to rile yous up - maybe a good thing you didn't see it growing up - the Elk would have been clean wrecked
Heard a rumour that if Amir Kahn vacates his title if he moves up a weight, then the fight for it would be Paul McCloskey against Maidana.
Maybe some of you boys who know more about boxing than me could clear it up for me.
I can't see Khan vacating his title anytime soon, he's due to fight Zab Judah at the end of next month and that'll be at light welter and would be an attractive bout as Khan holds the WBA belt and Judah holds the IBF belt. Also despite some of Freddie Roach's chat about Khan moving up a divison, I really can't see it while the prospect of a super money fight with Timothy Bradley is a possibility.
That's not to say that McCloskey vs Maidana couldn't happen, but it wouldn't be for a title.
Following the Khan fight, his shortlist for his next opponent included the below four fighters:
Khan - Rematch fight - never going to happen, so i'll stop there.
Judah - Was a possibility and it was a fight that would have earned Dudey a great deal of respect if he'd come out with a favourable result. But Judah is now going to fight Khan.
Prescott - Out of all of the four was the most likely fight to take place, Prescott would be willing to travel and it would be a very marketable fight in Ireland and the UK given Prescott beat Khan. However, doesn't look likely to happen at all as Dudey believes that Prescott has moved up in weight.
Maidana - Considered in the top 4 or 5 of the division, would be considered a huge scalp if Dudey won and would move him right up the rankings. He would definitely have to travel to the States for it. I'm not that sure Maidana would jump at the chance to be honest.
In my opinion, i think the best course of action would be to cast the net a bit further and look at the likes of Lamont Peterson or Joan Guzman. In particular I would be looking at Joan Guzman as a viable option, it would be a winnable fight and would sell out Madison Square Garden, raising Dudey's profile in America with Irish american boxing fans eager for someone to cheer on after John Duddy hung up the gloves. Guzman, who was once considered on pound for pound lists, has had a lot of problems over the past year with weight and received an 8 month ban for a failed drug test in january. That would ban would be up at around the time that the Hearns are looking to stage Dudey's next fight (late September /October).
Atticus
Having an interest in boxing, I find your posts very informative and I'd like to encourage you to share you information here when possible. I'd also like to know, where do you read about boxing? Any papers over here just cover Irish boxers and its as if Europe doesn't exist when it comes to the American websites!
Peterson he beats, think would also beat Holt, decent names to have though past their best. As you say would raise profile. Alexander might be a bit away yet. I'd be more wary of Guzman than Maidana. Talk of him as P4P was a bit much but good boxer with good dig - lot more nous about him than Maidana who I would fancy McCloskey to beat if he let his hands go.
Anyone know what time the Murrray fights likely to start?
Great stream here
http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html
Quote from: beer baron on June 04, 2011, 09:44:24 PM
Anyone know what time the Murrray fights likely to start?
I'd say between now and 11pm
Quote from: The Claw on June 04, 2011, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: beer baron on June 04, 2011, 09:44:24 PM
Anyone know what time the Murrray fights likely to start?
I'd say between now and 11pm
Actually now Ladbrokes website has it at 23.30
Brilliant stream cheers!
Carl won that fight but would be worried about not being able to land a knockout punch to finish that guy off.
Going ten rounds for the first time will only make him stronger but onwards and upwards for this lad. Hopefully a British title fight at the start of next year
Round 1 to Rees. Rees looks fast.
I'd call Rd 2 even enough, sky commentators seems to think it was to Rees easily.
Rd 3 to Rees, thought commentators thought Murray did better. Rees is very fast, I think Murray should try to let Rees make the first move rather than throwing the first punch.
Rd 4 edged by Rees. Not looking good for Murray
Murray needs to sting that lads ears good and well as he is swinging like mad but not hurting his opponent at all. Gonna cost him if he can't make Rees think he is dangerous
Rd 5 Rees. Murray started the round well but Rees took over after that. Hoping Rees will tire
Quote from: The Claw on June 02, 2011, 05:16:08 PM
Atticus
Having an interest in boxing, I find your posts very informative and I'd like to encourage you to share you information here when possible. I'd also like to know, where do you read about boxing? Any papers over here just cover Irish boxers and its as if Europe doesn't exist when it comes to the American websites!
Paul McCloskey vs Marcos Maidana has been agreed in principal to take place in September. Obviously there is a lot of stuff to be ironed out but if it does go ahead, there is a distinct possibility of it happening here !
Sorry Claw, haven't been on in a bit. I subscribe to the Boxing News. It's a weekly magazine, has it's flaws but anything else about is monthly so i'll take it. There's a couple of decent boxing journalists out there writing for British national papers, i think the pick of them is Jeff Powell that writes for the daily mail. You can get most of his stuff online and don't necessarily have to get the paper. Also, Steve Bunce has a weekly podcast that I make a point of listening to each week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/bunce - enjoy his show, got chatting to him during the Dudey fight in manchester and he comes across as a very civil bloke. This week's show is quite good, large chunk of it is devoted to Barry McGuigan who's promoting his new book, he has some interesting anecdotes, I think his book will be worth a read by the sounds of the interview.
Which brings me on to his protege - Carl Frampton - bit disappointed with him tonight. Yeah the lad he was fighting was a durable enough cub but still presented more than enough openings which i would have thought Frampton would have made more of. Just think he had a bit of an off night, previous times i've watched him he's seemed quite clinical. Just didn't click tonight, his timing looked off, and that was clearly shown at the end of the seventh round (think it was the seventh) when he threw a punch well after the bell which he was duly penalised for.
Cike - Peterson past his best ? He's only 27 and his record is fairly impressive, one loss to timothy Bradley and one draw with Ortiz. wouldn't have minded Dudey facing Guzman at all, due to his recent problems and lay off but all that is neither here and there as hopefully the Dudey vs Maidana bout will come to fruition. Maidana is fairly crude one dimensional fighter and think Dudey would be in with a good shout if it happens.
Right i'm away to watch the rest of this Murray fight properly, I hate to say it but at the minute i don't think Murray will last the distance.
Don't see a way back for Murray. The difference in speed is glaring
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on June 05, 2011, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: The Claw on June 02, 2011, 05:16:08 PM
Atticus
Having an interest in boxing, I find your posts very informative and I'd like to encourage you to share you information here when possible. I'd also like to know, where do you read about boxing? Any papers over here just cover Irish boxers and its as if Europe doesn't exist when it comes to the American websites!
Paul McCloskey vs Marcos Maidana has been agreed in principal to take place in September. Obviously there is a lot of stuff to be ironed out but if it does go ahead, there is a distinct possibility of it happening here !
Sorry Claw, haven't been on in a bit. I subscribe to the Boxing News. It's a weekly magazine, has it's flaws but anything else about is monthly so i'll take it. There's a couple of decent boxing journalists out there writing for British national papers, i think the pick of them is Jeff Powell that writes for the daily mail. You can get most of his stuff online and don't necessarily have to get the paper. Also, Steve Bunce has a weekly podcast that I make a point of listening to each week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/bunce - enjoy his show, got chatting to him during the Dudey fight in manchester and he comes across as a very civil bloke. This week's show is quite good, large chunk of it is devoted to Barry McGuigan who's promoting his new book, he has some interesting anecdotes, I think his book will be worth a read by the sounds of the interview.
Which brings me on to his protege - Carl Frampton - bit disappointed with him tonight. Yeah the lad he was fighting was a durable enough cub but still presented more than enough openings which i would have thought Frampton would have made more of. Just think he had a bit of an off night, previous times i've watched him he's seemed quite clinical. Just didn't click tonight, his timing looked off, and that was clearly shown at the end of the seventh round (think it was the seventh) when he threw a punch well after the bell which he was duly penalised for.
Cike - Peterson past his best ? He's only 27 and his record is fairly impressive, one loss to timothy Bradley and one draw with Ortiz. wouldn't have minded Dudey facing Guzman at all, due to his recent problems and lay off but all that is neither here and there as hopefully the Dudey vs Maidana bout will come to fruition. Maidana is fairly crude one dimensional fighter and think Dudey would be in with a good shout if it happens.
Right i'm away to watch the rest of this Murray fight properly, I hate to say it but at the minute i don't think Murray will last the distance.
Yes can only be a good thing for Carl as he has had handy fights of late and this should hopefully refocus him. if he wants to fight the bigger names out there at his level he should have put this lad away. But in the end beat him handy enough but didn't shine
C'Mon Murray yaaaa boy yeee
wats happenin? cant see it
he had a good round but too little too late imo
Quote from: bridgegael on June 05, 2011, 12:23:31 AM
wats happenin? cant see it
They are trying to hug each other to death now, going in to last round
Disappointed in Murray, couldn't take the last number of rounds convincingly when Rees clearly had nothing left in the tank.
God rees was great for 7 rounds then ran out of gas completely, very disappointed in Murray he was about 6inches short for the entire first half of the fight.
Forgot to say earlier, fair play to Eamon O'Kane who won in the first round in his first pro fight.
For a guy that needed a big last round was disappointed with the lack of urgency shown by Murray, obviously tired as well but still think he could have dug a bit deeper.
Did anyone see the final of prizefighter tonight? Junior Witter dancing around like a right cocky hoor, ended up getting chucked out of the ring on top of a camera man! Yassine el maachi won in the end! Very bizarre though!
He's back ;D
Floyd Mayweather Jr to fight Victor Ortiz for WBC welterweight title• Mayweather announces title fight on Twitter
• 'I have been blessed,' says Ortiz
Floyd Mayweather Jr has announced on Twitter that he will fight the WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz in September. Photograph: Ethan Miller/Getty Images
Floyd Mayweather Jr has claimed he will return to the ring on 17 September against the WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz. "My fans have been waiting long enough," the 34-year-old said when announcing the fight on Twitter.
The statement spread rapidly on the internet and the Californian Ortiz replied to persistent inquiries with his own tweet: "u will know soon enough." Ortiz posted a later tweet: "I'm on road to another great fight w pound for pound Floyd Mayweather! I am blessed."
Mayweather, who lives in Las Vegas and has several court charges to deal with there, did not say where the fight would take place but Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, has been mentioned as a possible venue. His last fight was in May 2010, when he outpointed Shane Mosley, who subsequently lost to Manny Pacquiao.
The mega-fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao, first mooted two years ago, remains a distant possibility. The Filipino's promoter, Bob Arum, claimed on Monday that Mayweather had turned down an offer of $65m (£40m) from "legitimate people in Singapore" to fight Pacquiao.
Ortiz last fought in April when he beat Andre Berto to win the title, which Mayweather once owned. Ortiz has fought twice on undercards of Amir Khan's American fights and is a close friend of the Bolton fighter. Khan has started training for the fifth defence of his WBA light-welterweight title, against the American Zab Judah at the Mandalay Bay Casino, Las Vegas, on 23 July. Promoters are due to announce further details of the fight on Wednesday.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 07, 2011, 10:57:21 PM
Did anyone see the final of prizefighter tonight? Junior Witter dancing around like a right cocky hoor, ended up getting chucked out of the ring on top of a camera man! Yassine el maachi won in the end! Very bizarre though!
Watched it alright. The 2 of them in the final were jumping all over each other, they were like 2 dogs on heat they couldnt wait to get tore into each other and it just looked messy.
Anyone follow Kahn on twitter. He's been retweeting a rant from one of his advisers who is giving off about sky not wanting to show his fight with Judah. Reading between the lines, sky don't want anything to do with him at the minute after the hash that was made of the mccloskey fight and sky. Between various blogs and rumors (admittedly online) Kahn seems to think he is worth alot more than he is and seems to be very greedy, even by boxers standards, when it comes to TV deals/fighters. I'm sure atticus could confirm this. I'm sure he'll be back on sky at some point, probably even this fight will end up on sky, but maybe he'll learn not to bite the hand that feeds him.
Quote from: Jimmy on June 10, 2011, 06:02:41 PM
Anyone follow Kahn on twitter. He's been retweeting a rant from one of his advisers who is giving off about sky not wanting to show his fight with Judah. Reading between the lines, sky don't want anything to do with him at the minute after the hash that was made of the mccloskey fight and sky. Between various blogs and rumors (admittedly online) Kahn seems to think he is worth alot more than he is and seems to be very greedy, even by boxers standards, when it comes to TV deals/fighters. I'm sure atticus could confirm this. I'm sure he'll be back on sky at some point, probably even this fight will end up on sky, but maybe he'll learn not to bite the hand that feeds him.
Was reading a bit in the paper about it. Sky have told him they're not interested as there was no interest in the McCloskey fight which was downgraded to a PPV fight to just another fight on Sky Sports 3. Khan is in the Golden Boy stable and one of their representatives has said Sky can't pick and chose fights from their stable - it's the heap or nothing so I'd fully expect Khan to be back on again.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 10, 2011, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on June 10, 2011, 06:02:41 PM
Anyone follow Kahn on twitter. He's been retweeting a rant from one of his advisers who is giving off about sky not wanting to show his fight with Judah. Reading between the lines, sky don't want anything to do with him at the minute after the hash that was made of the mccloskey fight and sky. Between various blogs and rumors (admittedly online) Kahn seems to think he is worth alot more than he is and seems to be very greedy, even by boxers standards, when it comes to TV deals/fighters. I'm sure atticus could confirm this. I'm sure he'll be back on sky at some point, probably even this fight will end up on sky, but maybe he'll learn not to bite the hand that feeds him.
Was reading a bit in the paper about it. Sky have told him they're not interested as there was no interest in the McCloskey fight which was downgraded to a PPV fight to just another fight on Sky Sports 3. Khan is in the Golden Boy stable and one of their representatives has said Sky can't pick and chose fights from their stable - it's the heap or nothing so I'd fully expect Khan to be back on again.
I think that Golden Boy statement is a complete bluff. I imagine if one of their other fighters was going to lose money in the future because of Team Khan's argument that fighter would be extremely fucked off. They're not team-mates or anything so I don't think they'd be willing to stand together.
Sky's reluctance to stage any future Khan fights was inevitable after the way Khan's team behaved during negotiations in the run up to the Khan vs McCloskey fight.
Khan's team acted in a very short sighted way following McCloskey vs Khan losing its PPV status. It is well documented that the removal of the fight from Sky Box Office cost Khan's team a fortune in lost revenue. In order to try and salvage some of that lost revenue they then tried to play Sky and Primetime off against each other. Khan's advisers at the time felt they had done the right thing by signing up with Primetime to stage the McCloskey fight as they got a few extra pounds but surely they most look back with hindsight and realise how absolutely stupid they were, the move has effectively exiled Khan. He can't stage a big fight in the UK without the backing of Sky. The loss in terms of UK television exposure will ensure that Khan will never have a fanbase that would even come close to someone like Ricky Hatton who became a fan favourite through his fights being televised on sky.
And if we take a step back from this and ask who is responsible for this ? There is only one answer. Time and time again Khan's team have shown signs of greed and short changing people. There is a clear chain of causation in this incident. The fighters on the undercard were not rewarded as they should have been and it was only a decent undercard that would ensure that McCloskey vs Khan was a PPV event. When Matthew Macklin dropped out of the fight, Sky had no option but to downgrade the fight on to one of its sports channels. After the disaster that was Fraudley vs Haye they had an obligation to give boxing fans a quality fight night for their money. Sky having put considerable money into already promoting the fight (e.g. they filmed two 24/7 style pre-fight buildup programmes which ended up never being aired) were obviously still keen to have it on one of their sports channels and that had to be Sky Sports 3 as Sky Sports 1 was "booked up" showing the el classico. Khan's team then tried to make life as difficult as they could for Sky all with the aim of getting a few more pounds. If you want to / have to work with someone at a future date it's never a great idea to make life difficult for them !
What's going to help bring a resolution to this problem for Khan ? A proposed boycott of Sky by Golden Boy fighters ?? Come on seriously folks .... as Rav67 has alluded to already - Richard Schaefer is fooling no one here, this is a complete bluff. The next big fight involving Golden Boy fighters is mayweather vs Ortiz .... i guarantee you now that fight will be covered by Sky. Do you think mayweather or ortiz are going to stand in solidarity and lose out on UK tv revenue because some little pr!ck from Bolton let his family manage his affairs poorly and in the process of doing so fcuked off Sky televison ?? The guys that ran the tuck shop in my former school had more business acumen than Shah Khan and his bunch of goats .... and they gave the sweets away for free !
The only possible fight involving Khan that Sky would come under pressure to televise from boxing fans would be against Timothy Bradley, that's not going to happen anytime soon and here is something that most people arn't considering what if Khan gets beat by Judah ? I think it's a distinct possibility and if Judah could just hop in a Delorean go back five years ago when he fought Mayweather, bring that Judah back with him to 2011 .... then my friends I would say it would be a certainty.
The way that McCloskey vs Khan fight turned out vindicated Sky's refusal to play dice with the Khan's .... if Judah beats Khan i can't see any fighters going chasing Khan for a fight especially with his team's reputation of making life difficult during negotiations ... and once again Sky's decision could be vindicated.
The one man that owes a big thank you to Khan's team is Carl Froch. Khan's loss is Froch's gain. He's never off ringside now and the exposure he will get by Sky this year will be huge and will turn him into a household name.
I think at 100/1 (with Boylesports and Betfred) that he is a huge price for Sports Personality of the Year Award ... allow me to briefly explain why ...
1. Exposure - as alluded to already, the reason why Carl Froch has not been a household name is been due to exposure he now has that and now has well connected promoters in the form of the Hearns.
2. Chances of success and the timing of that success - This is the crucial point to my explanation. In 2007 Joe Calzaghe won the SPOTY - in that same year he had two fights he beat peter manfredo in April and beat Mikel Kessler in November. my point is that the memory of Calzaghe winning was fresh in the minds of the public when it came to voting in December. Froch is due to fight Andre Ward in October or early December (it can't be November as Pacquiao vs marquez is on then). I think he has a good chance of beating Ward and if he does he'll have two world title belts to his name (WBA & WBC). If that happens he would be a shoe in to make the nominees for SPOTY.
3. Ricky Hatton's empty shoes - The same year calzaghe won it, Ricky Hatton came third. He lost to Mayweather the day before the SPOTY awards but even though he didn't achieve the success that normally is needed for making the top 3 he got there because he is a likeable guy. Since Ricky Hatton has gone there has not been a fan favourite for British fight fans. Khan is not a liked guy and haye turns alot of fans off with his trash talking. froch has a down to earth manner and i expect that there will be a huge amount of fans travel to watch him against Ward. Those fans will vote for Froch if he make the nominees.
If you believe david haye will beat wladimir and then Vitali this year then disregard my above advice. He'll win SPOTY. The British media will revel in the number 1 heavyweight fighter being British. But I can't see this happening so i'm not taking it into consideration.
Not saying put the house on it but at a huge price of 100/1 - Froch is great great value and definitely worthy of a small punt
Going to end with this -i know a lot of you out there are interested in whether Mayweather vs Pacquiao will ever happen, i'm slightly more hopeful about it happening now as Pacquiao settled a defamation lawsuit against Golden Boy's De la hoya and Schaefer which was brought about because of the whole drug testing allegations. Pacquiao has received an apology from golden Boy and there was a confidential settlement reached. He's stilll due to go to court with Mayweather over the same issue. But this settlement seems to have at least paved the way for golden Boy and Bob Arum to work together in the future to bring about the fight.
grea story:
QuoteAnother that meant a lot to Tyson was his 1988 defense against aging former champ Larry Holmes, whom Tyson drilled in the fourth round.
"Cus had wanted me to beat him so bad," he said. Then he explained why, in a fascinating story I had never heard before.
Tyson explained that he was 14 when D'Amato took him and Jay Bright, a longtime member of Tyson's inner circle, from their home in Catskill, N.Y., to Albany to watch on closed circuit as Holmes retained the title in a 1980 destruction of the faded Muhammad Ali. Tyson even recalled the exact date: Oct. 2.
"I was offended by how bad he beat up Ali," Tyson said. "When we drove home to Catskill [about an hour from Albany], nobody in the car said a word, we were all so upset. The next morning, Cus was on the phone with Muhammad Ali after taking this shellacking from Holmes. He said to Ali, 'I have this young black kid who is going to be heavyweight champion someday and I want you to talk to him.'"
Tyson got on the phone and said he told Ali, "'When I grow up, I'll fight Holmes and I'll get him back for you.' I was 14 at the time."
When Tyson did meet Holmes seven years later, Ali was a guest at the fight. Tyson said Ali whispered to him beforehand, "Remember what you said -- get him for me."
from http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog/_/name/rafael_dan/id/6648044/mike-tyson-reflects-hof-career
Seen dudey in the papers recently saying that a deal with Maidana is off which isn't suprising really but there are certainly still some options for McCloskey because of the backing sky have gave him, his fanbase and the multitude of fighters at his weight that he could fight. Hopefully he will at least be able to make a few big paydays for himself in the coming few years.
As for Khan, well he won't fight in the UK for a very long time, he doesn't have anywhere near a big fanbase and obviously the Sky fallout was the icing on the cake for him to move to USA. Personally I'm going to be very interested in the Fury v Chisora fight that is being shown on terrestial tv channel 5, granted the cover will be shit but the are 2 evenly matched boxers who should provide an entertaining and interesting fight.
Oh and Mayweather would need to be in good shape for his next fight or he could be in serious trouble.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 15, 2011, 08:32:48 PM
Seen dudey in the papers recently saying that a deal with Maidana is off which isn't suprising really but there are certainly still some options for McCloskey because of the backing sky have gave him, his fanbase and the multitude of fighters at his weight that he could fight. Hopefully he will at least be able to make a few big paydays for himself in the coming few years.
As for Khan, well he won't fight in the UK for a very long time, he doesn't have anywhere near a big fanbase and obviously the Sky fallout was the icing on the cake for him to move to USA. Personally I'm going to be very interested in the Fury v Chisora fight that is being shown on terrestial tv channel 5, granted the cover will be shit but the are 2 evenly matched boxers who should provide an entertaining and interesting fight.
Oh and Mayweather would need to be in good shape for his next fight or he could be in serious trouble.
Mayweather has never been anything other than in tip top shape, Ortiz will do well to get close to him. Showed a lot of heart but Berto isn't no Mayweather
Ward and Moylette won their european amateur championship golds today.
Now they need to qualify for the Olympics later in the year.
SO does Macklin have much of a chance against Sturn tomorrow night?
Great to see the man from Islandeady, Castlebar, Ray Moylette bringing the Gold back to Ireland. Well done to Mr.Ward too. Well done lads.
Where does todays result leave Kenny Egan ?
Ward must now be in prime position for London2012.
I think Ward will qualify for the olympics by doing well in the world championships. That would Egan might have to go up or down a weight division to qualify if he is allowed and providing another Irish boxer hasn't qualified already at that weight. It is bad news for Egan I think which is a pity.
Quote from: The Claw on June 24, 2011, 06:42:31 PM
SO does Macklin have much of a chance against Sturn tomorrow night?
Macklin's around 3/1 in tge bookies but on Ringside this week they (McGuigan, Jim Watt, Ricky Hatton) were all tipping him strangely enough. Sturm has a decent record and I would be shocked if he doesn't win. Macklin is the challenger and fighting away from home so he's going to have to stop him or dominate the fight to win the belt.
Time of Our Lives on Sky Sports now - Steve Collins. Richie Woodhall and Joe Calzaghe
Quote from: The Claw on June 24, 2011, 06:42:31 PM
SO does Macklin have much of a chance against Sturn tomorrow night?
Can't wait for this fight, a lot more excited about this fight than Haye vs Klitschko.
I genuinely believe macklin is in with a good chance here. I believe he has a better chance than Haye does next weekend and definitely has a better chance than barker does in his upcoming bout with Martinez.
Some people when giving predicitions on upcoming bouts put too much emphasis on the last fight the fighter has had rather than look at the bigger picture. I encountered this a lot with people giving their opinions on McCloskey prior to his fight with Khan, just because McCloskey didn't exactly sparkle in his performances against Morrison and particularly against Lauri - they felt Khan would spark Dudey out in the first couple of rounds.
If you feel a fighter is only as good as his last fight then you should write Macklin off before this fight has even started. If any of you watched his last fight against Ruben Varon you will know that Macklin was far from impressive despite winning a unanimous decison. But the funny thing is that it was this performance that got him this fight. And the reason for this is the second most common factor for people to base a prediction on, the common opponent ... Sturm also fought Varon a number of years back and unlike Macklin's victory, Sturm's was pretty comfortable. So it looks like Sturm's people watched Macklin struggle against Varon and felt they had nothing to fear against Macklin and so they gave him a shot.
So what are the mitigating factors for Macklin's bad performance ? Macklin says he had a chest infection and i believe him. With the benefit of hindsight i don't think he would have pulled out of the fight as not only do i believe it inadvertently landed him a world title shot but he also had to dig pretty deep to get through the fight and i think that'll stand to him this time round. I'd say he felt under pressure to stay in the fight as his fight with Barker had collapsed before that and as a fighter you don't want to get a reputation for signing up for fights that never materialise (unless you're at the top and there's not going to be any major repercussions to pulling out e.g. Klitschko when he pulled out of his fight with Chisora TWICE).
By getting through that fight he showed a lot of heart and if you're still in any doubt about his heart you tube his fight with Jamie Moore. Great fight where Macklin gave it his all but he put so much effort into making weight that he was drained and couldn't sustain the barrage of shots he was hitting Moore with, he hit a wall and was knocked out in the tenth round.
Since then he's moved up in weight and looks a lot more comfortable (obviously not including his last fight) at middleweight and he hasn't lost since.
Don't get me wrong he is justifiably the underdog here. The fight is in germany and it's pretty notorious for being difficult to get an 'away' decision in, Haye just about got the benefit of the doubt when he got a majority decision over Valuev.
And Sturm is a still a great fighter, i'm sure he might be showing signs of slowing but he's far from past it. If Macklin stands off him at all and allows him to establish his rhythm, Sturm's jab will see him get a comfortable enough points decision.
Macklin has talked it up in the media that his plan is to stop Sturm in the late rounds ... well i very much doubt it
I've got a hunch that Felix Sturm doesn't read the gaaboard ;) so i don't think i'm blowing Macklin's fight plan here by saying ..... that Macklin will go at him from the word go, he doesn't have much choice in this because he's not going to get a decision as for me he doesn't throw enough punches in his fights, you need to be a volume puncher if you want to be in the reckoning should it go the distance. He also doesn't have much of a choice as already mentioned - the fight is in Germany.
It's a long shot - if you attach alot of weight to the last fight and common opponents then macklin is not looking good, Sturm won comfortably against Varon whilst Macklin struggled and the fight is in Germany - that i think might just come in.
Generally speaking - macklin is 5/2 to win. You are only going to get close to 3/1 if you have a bet365 or sportingbet account. I'd imagine most people on here punt with paddy power, ladbrokes or will hill.
For me the far better value is Macklin to win by KO, i really can't see him winnng by decision, and most places go 4/1 that Macklin will win by KO.
I tried to find a market for Sturm to be knocked down as i feel that he will definitely hit the canvas at some point in the fight even if he does goes on to win it. Only place i can find doing it is Skybet and they go 11/4 on that.
Think we're in for a good fight here.
very good fight so far..
any live streams
Starting to take a lot of clean hits here.
Certainly has a good chin
finally found one bit late tho
http://www.justin.tv/revolutiontoolbar#/w/1385902400
jesus saved by the bell, Macklin about to go.
fear he'll lose this now on points
He wouldn't have lasted 10 more seconds there
Beat on split decision
Richie Woodhall and Johnny Nelson far from impressed in the studio with the decision. Jim Watt gave it a draw.
Never going to get a close decision in Germany though.
Macklin unlucky in my eyes. Decisions giving it to Strum by 4 rounds were just ridiculous.
Fair play to macklin, absolutely gutted for him but he did himself proud and really put it up to Sturm.
it was a great fight to watch.
I would like to watch the fight from start to finish again as when i watched it last night it was from the point of view of being ultra critical of Macklin.
i couldn't help but watch it with this mindset as i was conscious that Macklin was going to have to win any rounds comfortably in order to be awarded them.
Even with scoring the fight in this negative way i had Sturm only winning by one round, possibly two rounds. How two judges scored that in Sturm's favour by four rounds is an absolute disgrace.
Apparently german television had Macklin winning the fight by four rounds !
Macklin went at it from the word go and didn't let Sturm establish any rhythm, i thought at one point midway through the fight that it was only a matter of time before Sturm would timber as he seemed to be sustaining some serious punishment. macklin definitely did run out of gas a bit in the last four rounds but he was bound to with the amount of effort he put in during the initial stages, he did everything he could to prevent that fight from going the distance, the game plan was to take the fight out of the judges hands as much as possible.
But fair play to Sturm, he more than played his part in making this a great fight, he covered up well, showed that he is a very durable fighter and the shots he did throw were thrown with purpose and proved to be effective.
i never would have thought before the fight that macklin would outland Sturm in terms of punches landed but he did.
He really showed a gutsy display and if fights were awarded in terms of guts and effort then he would have won that fight hands down.
the good news is that it seems that a macklin vs Sturm II is inevitable as sturm has already approached macklin with the offer of a rematch.
Hopefully it will be on neutral soil, if so i will do all that i can to make the fight. Even if it's a fraction as good as macklin vs sturm I it will be worth the trip.
Well done to Eamon O'kane who won in Craigavon last night, he was fighting Tommy Toland who threw in the towel at the end of the 5th round.
To be macklin had a good start but Sturm undoubtably when the second half of the fight especially the last 4 rounds. I though Sturm won but not by the margin one of the judges gave it.
Tremendous effort by Macklin against a very hard, solid fighter. It should help propel him to other possibly easier world title fights against lessor fighters in less intimidating areas.
Scanned the fight again and this time tried to score it with an open mind not the ultra critical mindset that i judged the fight last night and think macklin won it by a round, such a shame that he ran out of gas a bit.
Macklin wasn't robbed but how two judges scored it in favour of Sturm by four is an absolute disgrace but this isn't an isolated incident.
if you think macklin was hard done by, check out the video of the Danny Williams vs manuel charr fight that was on the undercard last night.
Try watch the whole video if you can, but if you don't have time watch from about 9:15 onwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziofUmZp6AI&t=9m50s
Someone tell me that is not an absolute f**king disgrace ..... why would anyone want to fight in Germany ??
cant get the link, wat happened?
Sorry Bridge gael, the Sunday game was calling me there.
Can you not access youtube ? Type in "Manuel Charr vs Danny Williams 15/06/11 Part 2/2" to see it for yourself.
But basically Williams was stopped ridicuslously prematurely, after having Charr in serious trouble, Charr rallied a bit and was getting the upper hand ... but not enough to warrant the fight being stopped.
ref didn't even seem to look at his face when he stopped him, looking at his chest ?
What annoys me most is that Williams didn't even protest it and just meekly accepted it. Truly shocking decision.
I dont get wat the referee was at there.
I only watched from 9.15 and he was just after throwing about at least a dozen punches without reply and then gets hit with a couple and the ref steps in :-\
Williams didnt seem annoyed at all, got his pay cheque and kept his mouth shut, he is just out for the pay day
Just watched the Williams fight. Really unbelievable. Was not a typical Williams performance throughout the fight. Any time I have watched him, he is a bit of a brawler who moves forward and would use his head a lot.
Makes you wonder whether his change in style would be due to the fact that his heart wasn't in it.
Williams should hang up the gloves - there's a reason he's fighting in germany and that's because the British boxing board won't license him. He's now fighting under some Latvian license.
The Biritsh board wouldn't license him after he had back to back losses.
The first one was when he lost in prizefighter. williams said at the time that he would hang up the gloves if he lost prizefighter. he didn't even get to the final and was defeated by a guy Carl Baker who wouldn't even be regarded as a good domestic level fighter. he had him down twice in the first round. That was the prizefighter that fraudley ended up winning which played a large part in bringing about the box office farce the following year involving himself and Haye.
It was embarassing for Williams as he was British champ at the time. Needless to say he didn't hang up the gloves and went on to defend his british title against Del boy chisora. Once again he said win, lose or draw and he would hang up the gloves. He was knocked out in the second round but still didn't hang up the gloves.
When he was refused a licence he did what he had to do so that he could continue fighting. The boxing world were pretty much unaware of his first fight under this latvian licence until it had already happened. he's been fighting bums since he's been under this licence and the problem with that is a fighter can soon get delusional after stringing victories against a number of bums and all of a sudden they believe they are better than they really are. Steve Bunce appealed for him to hang up the gloves before he meets someone that has the ability to hurt him and i'd fully agree with him.
I don't think money is the primary motivating factor here for Williams, i think he just can't live without fighting. fighting is all he's ever known.
Lets not forget he's had some big days in the sun, and unless there's some problem in his personal life that i'm missing, fairly financially secure. He's got Mike Tyson's scalp on his cv. Yes, Tyson was past his best and yes Tyson sustained ligament damage early in the fight before getting knocked down in the 4th but if you've watched the fight it's hard not to give williams credit for his display. Freddie roach was in Tyson's corner that night, surely it must rank as one of his worst nights as a trainer. By the sounds of it, at that stage Tyson was just impossible to work with and roach jumped ship before the car crash of a fight that was Tyson vs mcBride happened. After the Williams fight Roach, almost in tears, famously said "What good is all the money in the world if you can't count it"
He had a world title shot against Vitali Klitscko as well. I think that wouldn't have been the worst stage to hang up the gloves but he was only 30 then and in fairness he was operating in a division which wasn't blessed with that much talent on a global basis never mind at a British level and certainly for a number of years after that fight he was amongst the best on the domestic level.
I think and hope that he hangs up the gloves at this fight, after that ridiculous decision he didn't say boo and there was a vacancy in his eyes that suggest that the penny has dropped that it's time to say goodbye no matter how painful that may be.
Has anyone any strong views on how the Haye vs Klitschko fight will pan out ?
I'll hold my hands up here and would be the first one to admit that i don't know an awful lot about the fighters fighting in the heavyweight division. I've long regarded the heavyweight division as the most moribund division in boxing and therefore it's been a long time before i've gone out of my way to watch a heavyweight fight.
While i wouldn't be a big fan of Haye i have to admit that he's spiced up the division a bit. He's the consummate sales man in selling fights, if his fighting ability reflected the ability of his mouth he'd be the greatest of all time.
I have no strong views on this fight. I can't see it rivalling Macklin's fight as a spectacle and really doubt it will be up for FOTY.
But having said that, the more i've been thinking on it recently the more i think Haye might have a chance.
The general consensus people seem to have on this fight is that it won't go the distance, with most people siding with Klitschko by a late KO and a smaller fraction of people siding with Haye by a early KO.
I can't see this fight being a tear up - Klitschko would happily jab away all night long. And despite Haye talking this fight up as a tear up, that he'll knock him out early on ... you should know by now to take Haye's words with a pinch of salt.
I can see it panning out quite similar to the Valuev fight ... i think Haye will run about and be as elusive as he can whilst nipping in every now and again to land a quick combination. Overall it will be a cagey affair that I can see going the distance. I'm not comparing Klitschko with Valuev in terms of boxing skills, Klitschko is a lot more mobile and a far better technician from what i've seen of him.
I had initially felt that Klitschko would win this fight but after the Macklin fight ... there's something inside of me ... that is saying that if this fight does go the distance and it is anyway close at all .... the judges will be coming under a lot of pressure to be more favourable to the 'away' fighter.
Matthew Macklin = Haye's sacrificial lamb ?
A lot will hinge on Haye's strategy. If Haye tries to recreate the Valuev fight and willingly concedes the centre ground he will find it very difficult to hurt Klitschko from those positions. Wlad is a well-conditioned fighter and will continue finding his jab throughout the fight, and the extra agression should see him through on the judges scorecards in my opinion.
If Haye tries to grab the centre of the ring and force Klitschko back it will be a very interesting contest and I would expect a stoppage. I would still just about fancy Klitschko to get it in that scenario but I think Haye needs to be agressive and come forward in this fight to have a good chance of winning.
i liked wee barry's take on it, Wlad has been knocked down 12 times by poor punchers, hayes is a excellent puncher and if he lands one its over. klitscko is technically strong, and obviously huge, but I do think haye can beat him, he is unbelievably fast
Quote from: Rav67 on June 29, 2011, 12:35:54 AM
A lot will hinge on Haye's strategy. If Haye tries to recreate the Valuev fight and willingly concedes the centre ground he will find it very difficult to hurt Klitschko from those positions. Wlad is a well-conditioned fighter and will continue finding his jab throughout the fight, and the extra agression should see him through on the judges scorecards in my opinion.
If Haye tries to grab the centre of the ring and force Klitschko back it will be a very interesting contest and I would expect a stoppage. I would still just about fancy Klitschko to get it in that scenario but I think Haye needs to be agressive and come forward in this fight to have a good chance of winning.
You would think that the tactics that worked against Valuev would not work against Klitschko, Valuev had no technical skills at all and was as slow as a carthorse. As mentioned above, I think Haye needs to be really aggressive and go at Klitschko. Klitschko has been down quite abit in his career and Haye possess' a speed and power combination that Klitschko will never have faced before, therefore Haye really needs to make life uncomfortable for Klitschko and take him out of his comfort zone, otherwise Klitschko will simply fight his normal fight and jab all night long keeping Haye at bay. The one big advantage for Haye is that Klitschko fights the same fight all the time, and at this stage of his career he isn't going to change. Therefore, you would imagine that every movement he makes has been analysed and implemented into the haye strategy. The same cannot be said about Haye, he has fought a different kind of fight for most of his previous 4 or 5 so Klitschko will not be able to really predict his style. I think Haye will knock him out personally.
Just bought the fight. Not too sure what to make of it. Don't think it will be explosive, certainly not FOTY but it is definitely what heavyweight needs at the minute.
For all he can run his mouth to sell seats and PPV buys, Haye is a very, very smart boxer. He stuck to a horrible to watch gameplan against Valuev. I'd expect something similar but Wladimir is twice the boxer Valuev was, although that doesn't say all that much. Regardless of who wins, heavyweight will still be in dire straits.
I dont think he'd have a prayer against Vitali but against Wlad he def has a punchers chance - though I only give him a punchers chance early. I'm not convinced on his stamina, and the longer the fight goes on the longer Wlad's weight and strength advantage will wear him down. I'm not convinced Haye can outbox him and stay away from him for 12 rounds so i expect him to really try and test Wlad's chin at some stage early on.
Will be interesting to see how hard Haye does actually hit. Certainly he knocked Harrison and Barrett silly but they weren't guys with the best chin, much like Wlad. However unless I'm mistaken I don't think Klitschko has been seriously hurt since the first Peter fight. Whether that is because his defence has improved so much or he is riding punches better i'm not sure - i'd have thought that in 10 fights even against weak opposition someone must have planted at least one on the chin...
Macklin Sturm was great fight, could have gone either way, no pressure on the judges this time at all
Hate Sky's portrayal of this fight as Rocky v. Drago. Completely ridiculous. I hope Haye gets his lights put out.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2011, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: Rav67 on June 29, 2011, 12:35:54 AM
A lot will hinge on Haye's strategy. If Haye tries to recreate the Valuev fight and willingly concedes the centre ground he will find it very difficult to hurt Klitschko from those positions. Wlad is a well-conditioned fighter and will continue finding his jab throughout the fight, and the extra agression should see him through on the judges scorecards in my opinion.
If Haye tries to grab the centre of the ring and force Klitschko back it will be a very interesting contest and I would expect a stoppage. I would still just about fancy Klitschko to get it in that scenario but I think Haye needs to be agressive and come forward in this fight to have a good chance of winning.
You would think that the tactics that worked against Valuev would not work against Klitschko, Valuev had no technical skills at all and was as slow as a carthorse. As mentioned above, I think Haye needs to be really aggressive and go at Klitschko. Klitschko has been down quite abit in his career and Haye possess' a speed and power combination that Klitschko will never have faced before, therefore Haye really needs to make life uncomfortable for Klitschko and take him out of his comfort zone, otherwise Klitschko will simply fight his normal fight and jab all night long keeping Haye at bay. The one big advantage for Haye is that Klitschko fights the same fight all the time, and at this stage of his career he isn't going to change. Therefore, you would imagine that every movement he makes has been analysed and implemented into the haye strategy. The same cannot be said about Haye, he has fought a different kind of fight for most of his previous 4 or 5 so Klitschko will not be able to really predict his style. I think Haye will knock him out personally.
It would be cheating for anyone else to do it.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 29, 2011, 11:02:52 PM
Hate Sky's portrayal of this fight as Rocky v. Drago. Completely ridiculous. I hope Haye gets his lights put out.
Absolutely.
Anyone any idea what time the fight is due to start. I know the show starts at 8 but will they be holding it back slightly later for the american viewers or will it be the usual 1030/11pm.
Have a prearranged night out with the inlaws but if I knew the fight was on about 12 I would make sure id be home for it. Ragen if I miss it cause of her ul ones >:(
They reckon around 10pm.
Cheers, not what i wanted to hear!
I'm no boxing expert or mind guru, but does anyone else get a sense that Haye is sort of nervous. From what I have seen of him lately compared to previous fights there is just an edge that is missing. Been so impressed with Klitchsko, the way he handles himself and he's a great talker. Seen him on BBC Breakfast a few months ago and he was great on it.
Haye adds a bit of hype and I like his cockiness but I think he might be more bark than bite. Would love to see Klitchsko knock him out just so I don't have to listen to the British media.
Can you imagine what papers like the Sun on Monday morning will be like if Haye wins and Andy Murray wins Wimbledon?
yeah get this impession with haye also. through all of his bullshit u get the feelin he is not as confident as he makes out.
klitschko to win inside 6 rounds
Hope Haye gets put on his hole.
I have no problem with a fella having confidence in himself but Haye is a complete pain in the arse.
The weigh in is on there now on Sky and the English fight fans are making me wish even more that Haye is knocked out.
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Klitschko hasn't beaten anyone in less than six rounds since Ray Austin. Unless Haye really comes after him I wouldn't be putting money on a Klitschko KO n the first half. The longer the fight goes on, the more I see Haye sitting on the seat of his pants. Fingers crossed.
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What's Frank Skinner doing there?!! ;)
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What's Frank Skinner doing there?!! ;)
Dunno but he appears to be looking at their cocks!
Where are the experts placing their money tonight?
No expert but think Klitschko will win in the second half of the fight, have not made my mind up whether to go for the 7th-9th, or 10th -12th. Klitschko on points at 9-2 is a decent looking bet as well
Paddy Power has Klitscko 4/7 and Haye 6/4.
Far from an expert on it but i've backed Haye to win by decision/technical decision at 10/1.
I could see him trying to inflict a bit of damage in rounds one and two and then sit back and let Klitschko come at him, been listening to Haye's main sparring partner david price talk a bit this week and by the sounds of it haye will be content enough to let klitschko have the centre ground while he circles and dukes in and out as necessary.
Adam Booth, Haye's trainer, is normally pretty good at getting the fight strategy right, he got it spot on for the Valuev fight and gave Groves the perfect blueprint against De Gale. i still think De Gale won the fight but Grove's was the author of the more eye catching action.
Realise that Klitschko will be a different prospect altogether for haye but same could be said for Haye for Klitschko, don't think he'll have fought anyone as fast as Haye.
For me I can't see haye being stopped unless he shows a lot of himself to Klitschko. What I could see happening is if the fight is fairly close going into the latter rounds then Haye would be under pressure to catch the eye of the judges or even better take it out of their hands. If that does materialise, I could see Haye exposing himself enough for klitschko to avail of that opportunity and KO Haye. Therefore i've also hedged my punt a small bit with two Klitschko KO punts - Klitschko to win by KO in round 11 (28/1) and Klitschko to win by KO in round 12 (33/1).
If it does go to decision i think Haye will prevail, Booth's fighters know the importance of catching the eye and like i said before i think the judges will feel a bit of pressure to give the 'away' fighter the benefit of the doubt after what happened with macklin.
While i don't think it will be a great fight, it'll be very interesting to see how it pans out.
I backed the draw 50/1.
Quote from: The Worker on July 02, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
I backed the draw 50/1.
Might not be a bad bet. Its tough to call, if it goes to points and you think Haye is slightly ahead then you could be onto something. The judges will want to give it to Klitscko but will not want to be seen to be robbing another fighter coming to Germany for a world title fight (after last week) so they might use a draw as a way out. Might go and do it myself
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What's Frank Skinner doing there?!! ;)
Dunno but he appears to be looking at their cocks!
He can't get over the size of them :o :o :o
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 02, 2011, 06:26:18 PM
Far from an expert on it but i've backed Haye to win by decision/technical decision at 10/1.
I could see him trying to inflict a bit of damage in rounds one and two and then sit back and let Klitschko come at him, been listening to Haye's main sparring partner david price talk a bit this week and by the sounds of it haye will be content enough to let klitschko have the centre ground while he circles and dukes in and out as necessary.
Adam Booth, Haye's trainer, is normally pretty good at getting the fight strategy right, he got it spot on for the Valuev fight and gave Groves the perfect blueprint against De Gale. i still think De Gale won the fight but Grove's was the author of the more eye catching action.
Realise that Klitschko will be a different prospect altogether for haye but same could be said for Haye for Klitschko, don't think he'll have fought anyone as fast as Haye.
For me I can't see haye being stopped unless he shows a lot of himself to Klitschko. What I could see happening is if the fight is fairly close going into the latter rounds then Haye would be under pressure to catch the eye of the judges or even better take it out of their hands. If that does materialise, I could see Haye exposing himself enough for klitschko to avail of that opportunity and KO Haye. Therefore i've also hedged my punt a small bit with two Klitschko KO punts - Klitschko to win by KO in round 11 (28/1) and Klitschko to win by KO in round 12 (33/1).
If it does go to decision i think Haye will prevail, Booth's fighters know the importance of catching the eye and like i said before i think the judges will feel a bit of pressure to give the 'away' fighter the benefit of the doubt after what happened with macklin.
While i don't think it will be a great fight, it'll be very interesting to see how it pans out.
I'd disagree Atticus about Haye on points. Wladimir has been into the late rounds many many times, Haye hasn't - he's gone 12 rounds twice in his entire career, and he spent most of the Valuev fight on his bike, rather than engaged in action. Don't see him being able to do that against Wlad. Also the judges shouldn't and won't feel pressure, Macklin Sturm was close fight but was no highway robbery.
I like the look of the odds on a late Klitschko KO myself though.
Starts at 10, doesn't it? Anyone planning to watch a stream?
sjy box office dont half put some crap in amongst the coverage. are they going to show the undercard at all? no idea who's on it but cant be worse than this tripe...
Few quid an Vlad in Round 7, 16/1
Haye seems to be some sc**bag. Fresh from his comments about his last fight being so one sided it was "like a gang-rape" he says he's going to send Klitschko to the hospital in an ambulance.
A tr**p of the highest order. Klitschko shows a bit of class by wishing him good health.
If anyone discovers any decent links get them up...I want Wlad to put Haye on his ass just to see Haye's reaction in the post match press conference... :D
Plenty of streams up here http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/57688-David-Haye-vs-Wlad-Klitschko-Countdown-July-2nd-8.00pm-UK-3.00PM-EST?p=1304685#post1304685
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=121555&part=sports
This one's not too bad
http://cjsssports.blogspot.com/index.html
Good lad Ross, below is a good one
http://boxingguru.yolasite.com/
Cant abide Hayes manager, Adrian Booth. Wouldnt mind seeing the other brother giving him a lacing.
Why the f**k is Lennon Lewis wearing a hat?
Quote from: Minder on July 02, 2011, 09:35:07 PM
Cant abide Hayes manager, Adrian Booth. Wouldnt mind seeing the other brother giving him a lacing.
Why the f**k is Lennon Lewis wearing a hat?
wondered about that myself!
Lads am I the only one to thing Macklin was not totally robbed? There's no way Sturn won by four rounds and a rematch is only right I think, but thought it could have gone either way.
Klitschko to ko Haye in the 9th round
This board will go into meltdown if Haye wins.
Is Johnnie Nelson getting paid per word he speaks?
Quote from: Minder on July 02, 2011, 09:32:51 PM
Good lad Ross, below is a good one
http://boxingguru.yolasite.com/
She's died!!
Can anyone provide any more links after the death of thon one thonder?
Big George Foreman aint so big- Lennox towers over him. Just makes you think that all these boys in the 60's 70's were probably closer to Haye in weight/size than Wlad.
http://cjsssports.blogspot.com/index.html
this is better
http://magictv.co/
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
this is better
http://magictv.co/
this has died
boxing guru back
http://boxingguru.yolasite.com/
Haye acting the buck holding up the show
http://boxingguru.yolasite.com/
Probably the best one i have found
http://firstrowsports.tv/watch/71225/1/watch-wladimir-klitschko-vs-david-haye-.html
:D Haye not coming out for another 10mins
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 02, 2011, 10:00:19 PM
Haye acting the buck holding up the show
Jim Watt calling it right. Haye still trying to score little points, hope it comes home to roost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE
Pay your gardener Becker.
It would be the funniest thing ever if Haye after all his mouthing and acting the bolox with his entrance got knocked out in the 1st round and got his purse took off him ;D
Haye doesn't look focused enough for a top level boxing match. I could be wrong and he has played the mind games to perfection.
Haye getting plenty of static heading towards the ring. Bit silly having to walk though the middle of the crowd. Any nut could get a crack at him.
Quote from: beer baron on July 02, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
It would be the funniest thing ever if Haye after all his mouthing and acting the bolox with his entrance got knocked out in the 1st round and got his purse took off him ;D
I hope not I've paid £15 hoping to see Haye carried for 11 rounds!
Whilst I think Klitschko does it in 9 through 12, I do have nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach that Haye could actually pull it off...
Quote from: CiKe on July 02, 2011, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: beer baron on July 02, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
It would be the funniest thing ever if Haye after all his mouthing and acting the bolox with his entrance got knocked out in the 1st round and got his purse took off him ;D
I hope not I've paid £15 hoping to see Haye carried for 11 rounds!
Whilst I think Klitschko does it in 9 through 12, I do have nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach that Haye could actually pull it off...
Ive backed klitschko to win in round 9 myself so wouldn't mind that ;)
Going for Vitali (the brother) to knock Haye out in round 4 with a chair, WWE style
Sing it up for God and Ulster
Quote from: Minder on July 02, 2011, 10:19:39 PM
Going for Vitali (the brother) to knock Haye out in round 4 with a chair, WWE style
You'd get 33/1 for that on paddypower, I'm tempted ;)
LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!
Think the last heavyweight fight i saw live was Lewis Rahman 1...looking forward to this so it will probably be dire!
round 1 and 2 to Klischko
2-0 Wlad
40-36? Probably
Haye boxing a little better now, hes got a dangerous right coming over the top.
50-45, Haye almost needing KO already. Is he trying to ropeadope him? Ballsy or stupid considering the respective career 12 rounders...
Spoke to soon. He was hurt there!
The one thing is Haye has barely thrown a punch so he's going to be fresher for the second half than i thought...unless he scores a knockdown best he gets from here is a draw if it goes to decision...
Yap yap yap, thought the point deduction was harsh Haye has been very wild and off balance jumpimg in as so far e has no answer to getting inside him.
any good streams mined f'ed up
Boxingguru working miner linked it on page 17
not sure how Foreman is saying even nor Steward! Almost sound like he wants a KO. As far as I'm concerned he can lose the last tw 10-8 each and he still wins...
Poor enough fight really- Klitshko is so much the better boxer but he's too mechanical to be considered a classical champion. Haye really has nothing to offer
Never a knockdown but didnt think he should have been deducted a point. Haye for me hasn't won a round.
Booth would do well to buy him a new pair of boots - grip obviously aint up to much...
any links still working?
all seem to be down at last two rounds
Quote from: supersub on July 02, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
all seem to be down at last two rounds
are you having a laugh?
Boxing clinic from Klitschko. Declan I can see your point but think your underrating Wlad. That fight wasn't even close. The best ex-cruiserweight in the HW division is Adamek :-)
Quote from: CiKe on July 02, 2011, 11:12:12 PM
Never a knockdown but didnt think he should have been deducted a point. Haye for me hasn't won a round.
haye has some feckin cheek on him too liftin his two gloves in the air at the final bell !! he brought nothing there tonight. He's obviously just delighted that he wasnt killed maybe
What a load of shite
Quote from: CiKe on July 02, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 02, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
all seem to be down at last two rounds
are you having a laugh?
Boxing clinic from Klitschko. Declan I can see your point but think your underrating Wlad. That fight wasn't even close. The best ex-cruiserweight in the HW division is Adamek :-)
having a laugh that the links were down?
No
Frankly Haye owes an apology to Wlad's last number of opponents. They may not have offered much but sure he offered nothing. At the end of the day Haye could not deal with Wlad's speed of jab.
Quote from: supersub on July 02, 2011, 11:19:06 PM
Quote from: CiKe on July 02, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 02, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
all seem to be down at last two rounds
are you having a laugh?
Boxing clinic from Klitschko. Declan I can see your point but think your underrating Wlad. That fight wasn't even close. The best ex-cruiserweight in the HW division is Adamek :-)
having a laugh that the links were down?
No
Sorry thought you were saying was all down to the last two rounds - as in the fight was actually close!
did i hear jim watt right there. "everyones happy, they're both in the money club"
is that what its all about now. everyone gets sold this cracking fight which turns out to be pure dung but so long as the two boxers are now in the money club thats the mian thing ?
QuoteDeclan I can see your point but think your underrating Wlad
He's a very good boxer but lacks that X factor if you like that makes good fighters great. Doesn't help I suppose that there is a real lack of talent in the division. Let the brothers at it!!
Another bucket mouth Brit bites the dust making the mandatory excuses as we speak. Twat.
Shite fight but at least Klitschko beat that hateful bastard
Heavyweight boxing needs a smaller,faster more exciting Tyson like boxer, tonight's fight was just another predictable boring bout.
Haye embarrassed himself. Should be paying for the lesson.
Didn't hear that, but must say I enjoyed the fight. Not a to and fro classic but thought Wlad put on a boxing clinic and proved himself a worthy champ, he has been doubted for a long time.
After all his trash talk, which I thought he took too far, I was happy to see him humiliated. Make no mistake despite Sky talking about a valiant performance he was humiliated.
Excuses coming from Haye now - broken toe he says.
Heavyweight is exacly that. If you are 16 stone you can only fight to your talents. Don't expect 13 stone Ali types anytime soon but thankfully there enough about of fighters about to keep odious little tramps like Haye in their box. It;s just a pity he didnt leave the ring on a stretcher.
Quote from: under the bar on July 02, 2011, 11:32:31 PM
Heavyweight is exacly that. If you are 16 stone you can only fight to your talents. Don't expect 13 stone Ali types anytime soon but thankfully there enough about of fighters about to keep odious little tramps like Haye in their box. It;s just a pity he didnt leave the ring on a stretcher.
That's a bit harsh. Booth is hard enough to like though - very ungracious I thought.
can the judges not score a round a draw because i didnt think either boxer did enough to win most of them especially to win by 8/9 rounds. Haye offered very little but wlad just stood behind his jab... very boring to watch
to be fair to the boys in the Sky studio they're basically saying Haye is whinging and making excuses...
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2011, 11:28:50 PM
Haye embarrassed himself. Should be paying for the lesson.
I disagree, he preformed well
QuoteThat's a bit harsh. Booth is hard enough to like though - very ungracious I thought.
Not for a man who said he'd send his opponent to the hopsital in an ambulance and compares the ease of a win to gang-rape. Ill-health retirement would be too good for him.
Quote from: pullhard on July 02, 2011, 11:36:35 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2011, 11:28:50 PM
Haye embarrassed himself. Should be paying for the lesson.
I disagree, he preformed well
You're right he talked a good talk
no he stuck to his tatics, nethier fella really performed to their best, but hide behind their jabs.
However he did bitch alot to the ref
Quote from: pullhard on July 02, 2011, 11:39:03 PM
no he stuck to his tatics, nethier fella really performed to their best, but hide behind their jabs.
However he did bitch alot to the ref
what were his tactics? hard to know. he was yapping from the get go. Klitschko boxed beautifully and did everything he had to do. Certainly he is not going to be the biggest fan favourite as he is inherently cautious, but he boxed the perfect fight - as the scorecards reflect.
McGuigan is talking through his arse, the ref was "disgusting" and he agrees with Adam Booth? Haye was never balanced and milked every opportunity he got to got he canvas. He took a point off Wlad initially, and right enough Haye should not have got a count but he SHOULD have had a point deducted for constantly going to the canvas too easily.
always knew haye was gay, does not like the klit!
Agree with you there Cike, the point that Klitscko did lose Haye dropped to his knees. I have always thought Booth was a p***k but tonight reinforced it. Lennox Lewis, who thought Haye would win, said Klitscko had a very easy fight. Nuff said, as they say in England.
The fight went the distance but wasn't a classic in fact it was a bit of a mess. Haye threw a lot of fresh air shots in the hope of landing a knockout blow but never really tried to fight. It was the wrong tactic and it meant all Klitscko had to do was pick him off with his lengthy jab to win the fight easily.
Twenty euros cost for a freind of mine on pay per view. I don't know if it was worth it. I think it was the first time I sat through a full pro fight in a long time.
Carlsberg dont do weekends but........
Murray got his bollocks beat,
Haye, see above
Pity they couldnt have delayed the Champions League Final for five weeks...............
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that was one sh1t fight, all that balllox from the commentators stating it a was tremendous was a load of auld balls IMHO.
Don't think we'll hear the end of this for a while...
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Something is afoot
When you think back to what happened to the likes of Michael Watson, Hayes comments about putting Klitschko in hospital were a disgrace!! Delighted he got his comeuppance!!!
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Quote from: Square Ball on July 03, 2011, 01:42:36 AM
that was one sh1t fight, all that balllox from the commentators stating it a was tremendous was a load of auld balls IMHO.
It lasted long enough for the fans to get drunk (© Lucius Sweet)
I over estimated Haye's speed and under estimated Klitschko's hand speed.
Haye had no answer to Klitschko's jab, thought he would have had the speed to get on the inside when needed but he didn't.
klitschko made him look a smaller man than valuev did ... haye had to jump at klitschko to try and get at him and more often than not fell embarassingly to the canvas.
The knockdown wasn't a knockldown but think the ref was entitled to score that as one, considering the amount of times haye fell.
For all his talk it must be a disappointing end to his career, if he is going to live up to his word and hang up the gloves in october.
Don't think he has all the much choice but to now ...
His performance or his broken toe excuse isn't going to get him another shot at the klitschko's again.
If he doesn't hang up the gloves, he can content himself with fighting the likes of Del Boy Chisora and tyson fury for a few years
Or go back down to cruiserweight and end his days there.
My My, Haye Haye.
It's better to burn out
Than to fade away.
Was the equivalent of a 4-15 to 0-5 points defeat in a Gaa match.
Haye was hammered and whingeing after the event wont hide it.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 03, 2011, 01:44:38 PM
Was the equivalent of a 4-15 to 0-5 points defeat in a Gaa match.
Haye was hammered and whingeing after the event wont hide it.
Yeah, he was humiliated and shown up for what he is - a classless muppet who would be an unknown in almost any other era.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 03, 2011, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 03, 2011, 01:44:38 PM
Was the equivalent of a 4-15 to 0-5 points defeat in a Gaa match.
Haye was hammered and whingeing after the event wont hide it.
Yeah, he was humiliated and shown up for what he is - a classless muppet who would be an unknown in almost any other era.
Could you imagine the reaction if Nadal took of his sock to show the crowd at Wimbledon that he had a sore toe?
Mind you if Sharapova had gone down that route.........
Haye didn't offfer much offensively yet Klitschko didn't do anything special either. Haye didn't look too bad after the fight for a man that was hammered, his face was fresher looking than Klitschko's.
Imagine a 21 year old Iron Mike in the ring with those 2 clowns.
Quote from: JimStynes on July 04, 2011, 09:05:54 AM
Imagine a 21 year old Iron Mike in the ring with those 2 clowns.
I still get annoyed when I read anything about Kevin McBride ending Mike Tysons career, or the 'great Lennox Lewis' who beat Tyson etc. Lewis was nothing special and Tyson couldn't get up of his hole against McBride, I would love to have seen a 21 year old Tyson in the ring with either man, aswell as Holyfield.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 04, 2011, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 04, 2011, 09:05:54 AM
Imagine a 21 year old Iron Mike in the ring with those 2 clowns.
I still get annoyed when I read anything about Kevin McBride ending Mike Tysons career, or the 'great Lennox Lewis' who beat Tyson etc. Lewis was nothing special and Tyson couldn't get up of his hole against McBride, I would love to have seen a 21 year old Tyson in the ring with either man, aswell as Holyfield.
Lunacy. Lewis was an absolutely fabulous boxer. The aura of Tyson masks the fact that his pure boxing skills were not up to the level of some others. Half his opponents were beaten before leaving the dressing room. Would loved to have seen him go up against Bowe.
Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.
He would have taken Bowe apart.
Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....
Quote from: The Iceman on July 14, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.
He would have taken Bowe apart.
Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....
Agreed. When he went at full tilt nobody could defend themselves. I will never forget the sight of Tyson bouncing Trevor Berbick around the ring.
Just to let you all know.
Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.
Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.
Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 19, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Just to let you all know.
Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.
Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.
Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.
brilliant, world title fight next if Dudey is victorious
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 19, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Just to let you all know.
Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.
Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.
Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.
That'll be a great night. Tough fight for Dudey though no question.
What about Khan v Judah? I would have thought Judah was great value at 7/2?
Quote from: The Iceman on July 14, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.
He would have taken Bowe apart.
Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....
Lol, Bowe had the size and skill the way Lewis did and would have handled Mike no bother. Holyfield boxed the ears off him. Twice. I'll give you Bonecrusher, fair enough but Berbick?! Berbick fought a 39 year old, finished Ali and then won the title against Pinklon Thomas. What was
that impressive about him that it should stand out on his record!?
We will never know if Bowe would have beaten Tyson but he certainly wouldn't have been intimidated by him.
Quote from: gallsman on July 19, 2011, 06:55:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on July 14, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.
He would have taken Bowe apart.
Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....
Lol, Bowe had the size and skill the way Lewis did and would have handled Mike no bother. Holyfield boxed the ears off him. Twice. I'll give you Bonecrusher, fair enough but Berbick?! Berbick fought a 39 year old, finished Ali and then won the title against Pinklon Thomas. What was that impressive about him that it should stand out on his record!?
I put their names out there because they were "names" at the time and the first big scalps for Tyson. We can only compare apples to apples and Tyson easily disposed of the biggest names in his division at the time.
When he went against Lewis he wasn't the fresh 21 year old with his head on right, and that the fighter I am talking about.
For me (you can disagree) Tyson would have walked through Bowe, fought him inside and broke him.
Quote from: gallsman on July 19, 2011, 06:55:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on July 14, 2011, 02:11:09 PM
Tyson had a lot of skill. Yes he had an aura and the like of Bruno were beaten before the first bell but how do you account for his early victories of the likes of Berbick or Smith? You do him a massive injustice by overlooking his pure skill.
With his head on right and the right people around him, Tyson was something else.
He would have taken Bowe apart.
Its hard to really judge how modern day fighters would match up against the legends of old. A 100% Tyson will always be my number one.....
Lol, Bowe had the size and skill the way Lewis did and would have handled Mike no bother. Holyfield boxed the ears off him. Twice. I'll give you Bonecrusher, fair enough but Berbick?! Berbick fought a 39 year old, finished Ali and then won the title against Pinklon Thomas. What was that impressive about him that it should stand out on his record!?
who did Bowe beat apart from Holyfield? Bowe was a skilled boxer and a big man, but if I recall Golota was beating him twice before he got himself disqualified. Bowe could have been brilliant but was lazy. Think it would have been a good fight but peak Tyson vs peak Bowe, think Tyson beats him.
To all intents and purposes however Tyson's era was before both Bowe and Lewis because unusually for a heavyweight he peaked in his early 20's - forget about him post jail when he himself didn't beat anyone of note (Bruce Seldon was a world champ for God's sake). At their peaks I think Lewis would have been too big for him, but if they fought in the early 90's Tyson would have gone through him the way McCall did.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 19, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
Just to let you all know.
Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 10th of September has been officially confirmed as Bredis Prescott.
Fight will be in the odyssey arena - Carl Frampton will be on the undercard.
Should be a great occasion for the Belfast fight crowd.
He should win this easily. Not sure he will get world title fight after it, might have to do good domestic dust up with Mitchell who stopped Murray at the weekend and handled Prescott easily (though was taken to the cleaners by Katsidis).
Yes he will Cike (if he wins) it's a WBA title eliminator - so he's one win away from another crack at a world title.
The Claw - You can get Judah at 9/2 on a couple of sites and generally seems to be 4/1 - think at that price he is definitely worth a punt.
On Tyson, tell me this do any of you have any argument about Tyson making the hall of fame ? Read an article recently by Teddy Atlas in which he argued that he shouldn't have ... i can see this post turning into an essay so will try keep it brief ... his main argument was that Tyson always came up short when someone didn't let Tyson intimidate them and they would go on to test Tyson that he didn't have any answer .. Would any of you agree ?
Needless to say Atlas has a lot of bitterness towards Tyson. Read his book a few years back and it wasn't a bad read. Summary of his relationship with Tyson is that he would have helped out with the training of Tyson but came to a turbulent end when Tyson (at the time 15) alledgedly sexually assaulted Atla's niece who was 11. Atlas reaction ..... he pointed a gun at Tyson's head and threatened to put him on a night train to the big adios.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 19, 2011, 11:23:30 PM
Yes he will Cike (if he wins) it's a WBA title eliminator - so he's one win away from another crack at a world title.
The Claw - You can get Judah at 9/2 on a couple of sites and generally seems to be 4/1 - think at that price he is definitely worth a punt.
On Tyson, tell me this do any of you have any argument about Tyson making the hall of fame ? Read an article recently by Teddy Atlas in which he argued that he shouldn't have ... i can see this post turning into an essay so will try keep it brief ... his main argument was that Tyson always came up short when someone didn't let Tyson intimidate them and they would go on to test Tyson that he didn't have any answer .. Would any of you agree ?
Needless to say Atlas has a lot of bitterness towards Tyson. Read his book a few years back and it wasn't a bad read. Summary of his relationship with Tyson is that he would have helped out with the training of Tyson but came to a turbulent end when Tyson (at the time 15) alledgedly sexually assaulted Atla's niece who was 11. Atlas reaction ..... he pointed a gun at Tyson's head and threatened to put him on a night train to the big adios.
Didn't know was an eliminator. Whilst stoppage last time out was farcical I thought he'd have to beat someone better than Prescott to get another shot.
Whatever about Tyson the man, there is no way he should not be Hall of Fame. He beat a lot of good/decent boxers in addition to a few questionable ones at a ridiculously young age for a heavyweight. He annihilated Spinks - who I don't think was intimidated - beat Bonecrusher Smith, annilhlated Tucker (Bowe only just beat him on points), completely dominated Ruddock in the first fight....the second coming well, wasn't quite the same thing, but I don't think there will be a 20yr old tearing up the division again in my lifetime.
No debate to be had re Tyson, Hall of Famer without doubt and one of the most exciting fighters ever. His personal life is irrelevant. Rocky on the otherhand..
The funny thing is that Atlas had no argument about Rocky making the hall of fame ... and neither do i to be honest because he wasn't included in a participant category ...
There's five categories that you can be inducted in the hall of fame under:
- Modern (Last fight after 1943)
- Old-Timer (Last fight no earlier than 1893 no later than 1942)
- Pioneer (Last fight before 1892)
-Non- Participant (Those who have made contributions to the sport
apart from roles as boxers or observers)
-Observer (Print and media journalists, publishers, writers,
historians, photographers and artists)
I think Stallone was included in the observer category as the screen writer of rocky and from that respect it's hard to begrude him his place there and also his role in the contender series a few years back would have helped propel him there too.
I think for most fight fans that the observer category will obviously not hold the same prestige as one of the participant categories and rightly so ... but it still merits a category in the hall of fame nonetheless.
By the way i wasn't saying i sided with Atlas' views on Tyson making the HOF - Tyson is deservedly in there and should be considered as one of the greats.
Quote from: CiKe on July 20, 2011, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 19, 2011, 11:23:30 PM
Yes he will Cike (if he wins) it's a WBA title eliminator - so he's one win away from another crack at a world title.
The Claw - You can get Judah at 9/2 on a couple of sites and generally seems to be 4/1 - think at that price he is definitely worth a punt.
On Tyson, tell me this do any of you have any argument about Tyson making the hall of fame ? Read an article recently by Teddy Atlas in which he argued that he shouldn't have ... i can see this post turning into an essay so will try keep it brief ... his main argument was that Tyson always came up short when someone didn't let Tyson intimidate them and they would go on to test Tyson that he didn't have any answer .. Would any of you agree ?
Needless to say Atlas has a lot of bitterness towards Tyson. Read his book a few years back and it wasn't a bad read. Summary of his relationship with Tyson is that he would have helped out with the training of Tyson but came to a turbulent end when Tyson (at the time 15) alledgedly sexually assaulted Atla's niece who was 11. Atlas reaction ..... he pointed a gun at Tyson's head and threatened to put him on a night train to the big adios.
Didn't know was an eliminator. Whilst stoppage last time out was farcical I thought he'd have to beat someone better than Prescott to get another shot.Whatever about Tyson the man, there is no way he should not be Hall of Fame. He beat a lot of good/decent boxers in addition to a few questionable ones at a ridiculously young age for a heavyweight. He annihilated Spinks - who I don't think was intimidated - beat Bonecrusher Smith, annilhlated Tucker (Bowe only just beat him on points), completely dominated Ruddock in the first fight....the second coming well, wasn't quite the same thing, but I don't think there will be a 20yr old tearing up the division again in my lifetime.
The reason for that is that the Khan v Judah fight is for the WBA "super" belt. Maidana holds the interim WBA belt at the minute and, if he wins his next fight, he will go into the ring with the winner of McCloskey v Prescott to contest the "regular" WBA belt. A totally farcical situation with regards to belts, hard to know what to consider a proper world title fight any more.
Is WBA the only one of the recognised (WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF) organisations to have this super-belt arrangement in place or are they all doing it now?
Anyone any links to streams for this ? Finding it pretty hard to come by ...
http://www.justin.tv/455259#/w/1515858704 don't know if it will last long but give it a try
Any other links? That one is closed
Its over in the fifth.
How Judah can say that shot caught him in the balls - I dunno
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 24, 2011, 04:11:10 AM
Its over in the fifth.
How Judah can say that shot caught him in the balls - I dunno
agreed! he's some balls on him, and claiming he thought he was getting a standing 8 count when he was on his knees was pretty ballsy too.
Khan looked at least a weight class above, and Judah was looking for an easy way out.
Despite HBO doing a Mayweather Hard Knocks special- tough to get into a fight thats 7-1.
Money vs Pacquiao or nothing at the minute, is there another fight out there that gets anyone new interested in boxing?
Quote from: heganboy on July 24, 2011, 04:26:05 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 24, 2011, 04:11:10 AM
Its over in the fifth.
How Judah can say that shot caught him in the balls - I dunno
agreed! he's some balls on him, and claiming he thought he was getting a standing 8 count when he was on his knees was pretty ballsy too.
Khan looked at least a weight class above, and Judah was looking for an easy way out.
Despite HBO doing a Mayweather Hard Knocks special- tough to get into a fight thats 7-1.
Money vs Pacquiao or nothing at the minute, is there another fight out there that gets anyone new interested in boxing?
What next for Khan? Is a Mayweather bout on the cards anytime soon?
Got to give it to Kahn, he looked good last night even though I hate the sight of the little p***k.
The head of golden boy talked about a four fight plan for Kahn. Another light-welter weight fight in December. They hope Bradley before moving up to welter. They talked about a British fight (probably Kell Brook as there is quite a bit of needle between the two of them) a third fight which I can't remember before endinging with Mayweather next year, possibly in UK.
cant believe there wasnt a mention of Fury Chisora on here :P
the big mans goin on to fight one of the klitchkos doncha know!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 24, 2011, 10:57:53 PM
cant believe there wasnt a mention of Fury Chisora on here :P
the big mans goin on to fight one of the klitchkos doncha know!
There doesent look to be much power in his punches.
Quote from: Minder on July 24, 2011, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 24, 2011, 10:57:53 PM
cant believe there wasnt a mention of Fury Chisora on here :P
the big mans goin on to fight one of the klitchkos doncha know!
There doesent look to be much power in his punches.
true.
heavyweight div is sure in a bad way if he is british champ, never mind a world contender;
chisora threw less punches than haye in his fight; had the beating of fury if remotely fit/up for it
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 24, 2011, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 24, 2011, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 24, 2011, 10:57:53 PM
cant believe there wasnt a mention of Fury Chisora on here :P
the big mans goin on to fight one of the klitchkos doncha know!
There doesent look to be much power in his punches.
true.
heavyweight div is sure in a bad way if he is british champ, never mind a world contender;
chisora threw less punches than haye in his fight; had the beating of fury if remotely fit/up for it
Fury is a joke, never seen a serious boxer with as little muscle in my life, awful shape of a man and doesn't seem to have the technical skills or power. Sure did he not punch himself in one of his fights before?!? Chisora had him in trouble on a few occasions and actually provided the entertaining parts of the fight, obviously just didn't land enough power punches that Fury did.
As for Khan, is he actually going to fight someone top level who isn't on the slide? He fought and needed the doctor to get him a win over a finished MAB, has now beat Zab who is way past his best and I hear talk of him fighting Morales (long finished) or waiting to next year or the year after to fight Mayweather as Khan thinks he will be in his prime then. I think its more a case of him hoping that by waiting that he will maybe catch a version of Mayweather that has slowed down or past its peak, which is realistic given his age. Sickening wee man. If he is any good he should try and fight Pacquaio or Mayweather in his next fight, but he is a ducker!
Unfortunately that the game they all play, duck around build up the money and then only fight the big fight when you are left with no other option. Hope that you either win or get beat in a close fight so there is a possibility of a rematch.
Its a business and they are in it to make money end of and to be honest who can blame them. I know I would be standing in the rnig getting the face beat off me!
Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez has been confirmed as the chief support fight for the McCloskey vs Prescott fight in the Odyssey on the 10th of September.
Not a bad chief support fight at all. Eamon O'Kane is also on the bill.
Was on the road back up from Croker on Saturday and I didn't get to see the Fury vs Chisora fight - have to admit was surprised when i heard the outcome. But then i also heard that Chisora looked badly out of shape and was the heavyiest he has ever been for a fight. I'd say Chisora lost a bit of heart after being messed about a bit by wladimir Klitschko twice. Still not much of an excuse, if he had won this then he would have been in line for a shot, with them refusing to fight each other they arn't exactly spoilt for 'credible' opponents
I see at least Fury has a bit of sense and is up front about not wanting to fight either of the Klitschko's just yet and is instead calling out big Rogie ;D
Just looking at buying tickets for the McCloskey fight. Can anyone give me some guidance on where you need to be sitting for a good view without being ringside!!! Never been at a fight at the Odossey and therefore not sure what price level to go to.
i see brian magee won on points last night to win the wbc interim supermiddle belt.
Quote from: Tommo2 on July 29, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
Just looking at buying tickets for the McCloskey fight. Can anyone give me some guidance on where you need to be sitting for a good view without being ringside!!! Never been at a fight at the Odossey and therefore not sure what price level to go to.
Tommo no matter where you are in the Odyssey you are going to have a decent enough view, it's fairly compact in comparison to other boxing venues e.g. Manchester MEN.
The cheapest tickets (£33) are all sold out. The next level up is £44 tickets and they are in various locations through the arena, the ones in the better locations are gone.
It depends what you are prepared to spend but the best value seats in my opinion, pound for pound :D , are the £80 seats as although they are not on the floor level they are lower tier and are located just above the ring so you have a perfect view, looking into the ring. They're not cheap and i know they would be out of most people's price range.
My main advice would be - if you want the cheapest tickets still available, get to carl frampton's boxing club (Midland ABC) tomorrow night - they're on sale there from 6-8pm and will be sold at £40 as they are being sold out of the club.
Otherwise go down to the box office at the odyssey, if you can make the trip. At the box office you can be shown on the seating plan exactly where you will be seated before you buy any tickets and you will also avoid having to pay the service charge that you would if you went over the phone or internet.
The seating plan they have at the box office is a lot more detailed and clear than the one they have on ticketmaster http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/seatingchart/197869/12504 which i think is a bit misleading as it doesn't categorise the price levels properly.
Well done to Brian magee last night - he should now be in line for another title shot, making the trip to costa rica very worthwhile.
Any one going to Henry Coyles WBF Light Middleweight title fight in Castlebar tonight . i see the tg4 are showing it live
Coyle won, Cotena had a cut above his right eye after a clash of heads in the 6th. Cotena had enough at that stage and used the cut to quit. Coyle by far the better boxer.
Why the f**k they let that eejit Michael Ring into the ring only God knows, crowing on about Sam coming home in september. Just when most people keeping a lid on all the hype along comes Mr. Westport soccer
Quote from: spuds on August 12, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Coyle won, Cotena had a cut above his right eye after a clash of heads in the 6th. Cotena had enough at that stage and used the cut to quit. Coyle by far the better boxer.
Why the f**k they let that eejit Michael Ring into the ring only God knows, crowing on about Sam coming home in september. Just when most people keeping a lid on all the hype along comes Mr. Westport soccer
It was a bit cringeworthy to be honest, a simple handshake like Kenny was all that was needed, in that case Coyle stuck out his hand to the Taoiseach, I'd say it was harder to avoid Ring than Cotena in that ring.
Congrats to Henry Coyle, a good year for Mayo boxing.
It looks like Tyson Fury's opponent for the 17th of September in the Odyssey will be Cork based Cuban, Mike Perez.
That's only a week after the Paul McCloskey fight and despite the close proximity i think that'll be an enticing enough fight for most fans. I find it funny because you'll have a Manc and Cuban facing each other to win an Irish title :D. It will be live on channel 5.
For me, i have no doubt that Perez will win this and i'll be interested to see how it is priced up. I can't give Fury a great deal of credit for his victory over Chisora as it was pretty clear that Chisora was in no condition for that fight and that was reflected in not only his physical shape but his sluggish performance. But even with that I felt that Chisora given half a chance could have knocked Fury out. Fury doesn't have the power to make an impact on the heavyweight scene.
Perez will be going for the knockout in the hope of adding to his burgeoning reputation as a knockout artist.
Take the first two names of these lads and put them together and you have the name of one of the great heavyweights. Unfortunately for both of them the comparison should stop there. But from what i've seen of Perez' style he would definitely model himself on Iron Mike.
I think while Mick Hennessy deserves credit for getting boxing back on terrestial tv he hasn't done his homework here by matching Fury with Perez. Apparently Rogie turned him down, and they were also looking at David Price (sparring partner of David Haye in the build up to the Klitschko fight) but to opt for Perez doesn't make great sense.
The reason why i don't think he's done his homework is not only because I believe Perez will win this fight but say even if Fury does win this fight it won't elevate his profile the way his victory over an out of shape Chisora did. But not only that, my understanding is that Fury's main reason for wanting to fight in Belfast is to try and capitalise on his Irish heritage and build up an Irish fan base. Well then matching him with Perez is counterproductive ... on the basis of style (and ring entrance music ;) ), I think most neutrals will gravitate towards rooting for Perez.
It's a great fight for Perez and it will really launch his name in ireland and the UK should he win.
I'm hoping for great value on a Perez win, I can see him winning by knockout in the 5th.
Perez has turned down the offer to fight Fury and fight on the undercard of the McCloskey fight. It's good news for anyone attending the McCloskey fight but I wouldn't be happy if I was Mike Perez ... I'd be even less happy if I was Channel 5 !
Mick Hennessy has now turned his attentions to trying to get Coleman Barrett to sign up to the fight on September 17th.
They will get Barrett but it will mean they'll be left with a bout that will struggle to sell tickets, especially as Belfast fight fans will have shelled out money a week earlier to watch McCloskey, Frampton and Perez. They would need to get one hell of an undercard together to salvage the bill.
Channel 5 are unlikely to be overjoyed at the prospect of fury vs Barrett.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 15, 2011, 09:31:43 PM
Perez has turned down the offer to fight Fury and fight on the undercard of the McCloskey fight. It's good news for anyone attending the McCloskey fight but I wouldn't be happy if I was Mike Perez ... I'd be even less happy if I was Channel 5 !
Mick Hennessy has now turned his attentions to trying to get Coleman Barrett to sign up to the fight on September 17th.
They will get Barrett but it will mean they'll be left with a bout that will struggle to sell tickets, especially as Belfast fight fans will have shelled out money a week earlier to watch McCloskey, Frampton and Perez. They would need to get one hell of an undercard together to salvage the bill.
Channel 5 are unlikely to be overjoyed at the prospect of fury vs Barrett.
Why would he be unhappy if he turned down the fight ( or am i misreading you?)
Fair question ... In the first Instance I was referring to mike Perez in the collective form (his people and management). Pat Thomas is currently managing the Cork based Cubans (Perez, Acosta and Garcia) but the announcement about Perez being on the undercard of McCloskey came directly from Eddie Hearn. After Perez won prizefighter, Matchroom (The Hearn's promotional company which runs the Prizefighter competition) were always going to have a say in his next few fights. If I was Mike Perez i'd rather be headlining a bill in a winnable fight that is televised on channel 5 than playing 2nd support (Carl Frampton will be the main support) on the McCloskey bill.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 13, 2011, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 12, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Coyle won, Cotena had a cut above his right eye after a clash of heads in the 6th. Cotena had enough at that stage and used the cut to quit. Coyle by far the better boxer.
Why the f**k they let that eejit Michael Ring into the ring only God knows, crowing on about Sam coming home in september. Just when most people keeping a lid on all the hype along comes Mr. Westport soccer
It was a bit cringeworthy to be honest, a simple handshake like Kenny was all that was needed, in that case Coyle stuck out his hand to the Taoiseach, I'd say it was harder to avoid Ring than Cotena in that ring.
Congrats to Henry Coyle, a good year for Mayo boxing.
Boxers aren't usually big on handshakes after a fight.
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 13, 2011, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 12, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Coyle won, Cotena had a cut above his right eye after a clash of heads in the 6th. Cotena had enough at that stage and used the cut to quit. Coyle by far the better boxer.
Why the f**k they let that eejit Michael Ring into the ring only God knows, crowing on about Sam coming home in september. Just when most people keeping a lid on all the hype along comes Mr. Westport soccer
It was a bit cringeworthy to be honest, a simple handshake like Kenny was all that was needed, in that case Coyle stuck out his hand to the Taoiseach, I'd say it was harder to avoid Ring than Cotena in that ring.
Congrats to Henry Coyle, a good year for Mayo boxing.
Boxers aren't usually big on handshakes after a fight.
Most fighters would show some form of respect after the fight. Be it a hand shake a hug or whatever.
Quote from: The Iceman on August 16, 2011, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 16, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 13, 2011, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: spuds on August 12, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Coyle won, Cotena had a cut above his right eye after a clash of heads in the 6th. Cotena had enough at that stage and used the cut to quit. Coyle by far the better boxer.
Why the f**k they let that eejit Michael Ring into the ring only God knows, crowing on about Sam coming home in september. Just when most people keeping a lid on all the hype along comes Mr. Westport soccer
It was a bit cringeworthy to be honest, a simple handshake like Kenny was all that was needed, in that case Coyle stuck out his hand to the Taoiseach, I'd say it was harder to avoid Ring than Cotena in that ring.
Congrats to Henry Coyle, a good year for Mayo boxing.
Boxers aren't usually big on handshakes after a fight.
Most fighters would show some form of respect after the fight. Be it a hand shake a hug or whatever.
That wasn't quite what I was getting at. Their hands are often in bits for some time afterwards.
Article from Boxing-Ireland.com in which Martin Rogan criticises Mick Hennessy:
"Martin Rogan is Fury-ous and blasts Mick Hennessey - from Alex McGreevy, 23 August 2011
Irish heavyweight attraction Martin Rogan has launched a furious attack on the managerial team behind British and Commonwealth champ Tyson Fury before they arrive in Belfast tomorrow to unveil plans for a King's Hall show next month.
Rogan has refused to fight the 6ft 9inch Fury and last night claiming he turned down the opportunity because Fury's manager and promoter Mick Hennessy had "unlicensed middle-men in Belfast making all sorts of offers" on his behalf.
Rogan claims Hennessy failed to reply to his calls and emails throughout last month and only contacted the West Belfast man on August 10 with an offer to showdown with Englishman Fury, who claims roots in County Antrim and Galway.
Martin_Rogan_Belfast_BoxerFury's scheduled show at the King's Hall on September 17 has yet to name an opponent and Rogan claims the fighter's camp took it for granted he would be the man standing in the opposite corner.
Last week Fury labelled Rogan a 'bully' and claimed the 40-year-old taxi driver didn't want a repeat of his title show defeats to Norwich heavyweight Sam Sexton in his native city.
Rogan said, "Mick Hennessy should be ashamed of himself for allowing hangers-on and middle-men come to my door to represent him and his company. They wanted Martin Rogan but they didn't get him because they didn't speak to Martin Rogan's manager, who is Martin Rogan.
"They didn't speak to the boxer Martin Rogan. They didn't speak to anyone called Martin Rogan.
"They sent the dog that sits in the yard instead of the businessman and that is not how I work. I manage myself, so Mick Hennessy should have come to me. He should not have got someone from Belfast to speak on his behalf and then they should not have got John Ingle to call me from England on their behalf," blasted Rogan.
Fight talk in the city claims Rogan turned down an £80,000 offer to clash with Fury next month but he says that is a scandalous lie.
Rogan clarified, "I have had offers of £40,000 and £50,000 and nothing anywhere near £80,000. So if Fury's people are saying it was £80,000, why was I being offered less?
"Here's the truth that the Irish fight fans should know; Hennessy wanted me and only me to fight Fury, so he booked the King's Hall and took it for granted I would accept.
"Anytime a middle-man came to my door or called my number I sent him away with a message to tell Mick Hennessy to call me.
"Mick didn't contact me until August 10, so he was trying to give me as little notice as possible to prepare. I am nobodys fool and the Irish fight fans should not be fooled by this carnival behind Fury.
"They have made it a sideshow; they have insulted me and tried to undermine me. They have tried to make my supporters believe I am money-motivated. If I was motivated by money, I would have taken the fight. My only motivation is to take the belts off Fury; the money will look after itself after that."
Rogan says he has 'put a number of people back in their boxes' in recent days because he is being bombarded with text messages and phone-calls claiming he turned down 'megabucks', adding "I have had enough of these people and the lies they have spread and I have confronted the sources.
The people know who they are and they should hang their heads in shame because of the way in which they have treated an Irish fighter and taken for granted the Irish fight fans.
"Tyson is not Irish but his people are hanging him on the coat-tails of his Irish roots in order to market him.
"Martin Rogan, Irish heavyweight boxer, manager and man, can sleep well in his bed and has nothing to hide. When Tyson Fury and Mick Hennessy leave Belfast behind, they won't give a damn about Irish fight fans or the fighters on the undercard.
"They call it The Only Show in Town but it will be The Only Farce in Town."
Fury is expected to name an opponent for next month's King's Hall debut at a press conference today."
For me Rogie doesn't come out of this looking well at all.
Rogan recently acted as back up for Chisora in his fight with Fury, the fight was televised on channel 5 and Rogan was acting as an "insurance policy" had anything happened to Chisora in the run up to the fight, Rogan would have stepped in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkFlE0VTGjM&feature=player_embedded - Watch from 2.50 onwards. It's clear that Mick Hennessy had negotiations directly with Rogan about the prospect of a fight in Belfast and all Rogie's chat about that he would love to get in the ring with Fury has a hollow ring to it now.
I'm not sure what rogan's main gripe is here - is it:
1. the lack of direct contact with Hennessy ? surely there can be no doubt that there was direct contact when he went over to the Chisora vs Fury fight. Rogan doesn't have a manager, that's the way he wants it, under normal circumstances he would have a manager and he would conduct the negotiations and take charge of all formal contact. So it's a petty gripe to have -If you want to manage your affairs, then manage them to the best of your ability .. and if you want to have direct contact with Hennessy pick up the blower and have direct contact with Hennessy ??? ???
2. The money on offer ? No harm to rogan but bearing in mind his recent inactivity - £50,000 to participate in a bout that will be televised on channel 5, £50,000 is a good offer. He was prepared to fight in prizefighter and the most he would have got from that is £32,000 and he wouldn't have got half the exposure that channel 5 offered (which he badly needs considering his inactivity).
He shouldn't be citing a lack of notice either - I reckon he would have had at least 10 weeks from when the prospective bout was first mentioned and considering he was prepared to fight Fury as a back up (and presumably at very short notice) for Chisora then he looks a bit foolish iif he tries to cite a lack of notice as a reason for not taking the fight.
Rogan has given Belfast fight fans some great nights of entertainment over the years but i think it is time for him to call it a day. He's 40 now and considering he only went pro when he was roughly 33, I think he's had a good a career as he was ever going to have in boxing.
When he looks back on his career i think he will deeply regret the day he split with John Breen, a lot of the good nights (Harrison and Skelton) were to quite a large extent the result of the hard work and guidance of John Breen. Without John Breen, Rogie's best hope is that they bring out "Man About Dog 2" because he no longer has the discipline or dedication that is required to belong on the inside of a boxing ring.
Say that to his face then Atticus :D
I would have no hesitation in doing so at all OTB. Hopefully bump into him on the 10th of September but I doubt he's going to go, would love the opportunity to discuss it all with him over a pint.
I see the big eejit was at the Fury press conference today and had a notepad full of questions.
Anybody for McCloskey's fight?
Im for heading Tony. Many other board members going?
It was a ridiculous press conference, the big announcement (in relation to who Fury's opponent would be) was there was no announcement.
Rogie turning up was on the cards, the press conference was a lot more subdued than i thought it would be. Still, any christmas panto i come across this december that has Martin Rogan involved I will go along and see - he is good entertainment.
As i've said above, Rogan has no legitimate grievance here .. if he has any intentions of making a proper comeback he should have taken the offer. The money on offer was great (would have been the best purse of his career to date) and would have been accompanied with exposure on a terrestial tv channel.
I love the way the media over here are singing the praises of Tyson Fury because of his conduct during the press conference, proclaiming him as the ultimate gentleman for not engaging in a slanging match with Rogan .. what they seem to not realise is that the British Boxing Board are keeping an eye on Fury's press conferences for the forseeable future. He received an official reprimand from the Board and was warned about future conduct as a result of his behaviour during a telephone conference in the build up to the Chisora fight when he temporarily turned into Roberto Duran and said:
"It will come down to one thing on the night ? who's got the bigger heart? Who wants it more?
"I know I want it so badly, nothing will stop me, I have a wife and two children to provide for. If it means killing you in the ring, that's what I'll do.
"To beat me, you will have to kill me. I'm prepared to die for my family. You are an arrogant little p***k ? I'll smash your face in when we fight."
Chisora was still in bed during the telephone conference and hung up :D
In fairness to Fury he did handle the press conference well and there does appear to be some degree of mutual respect between him and Rogan. But unless something extraordinary happens between now and the 17th of September his fight is going to be a farce and not something that you want to be televising on channel 5. As it stands it looks like the support act of Junior Witter vs Stephen Haughian will be more of a contest than the headliner.
Just reading today that George Groves has left Hayemaker promotions and joined up with Frank Warren. Hayemaker promotions doesn't have the same clout with David Haye's profile being in decline after his performance against Klitschko. Fair play to Adam Booth, he's looking out for George Groves here, i'm sure it wasn't an easy decision considering his close relationship with David Haye but I say it was a decison that had to be made. Frank Warren's first move ?? .. to setup a rematch with James DeGale (another one of his fighters). The fight won't happen for a while but when it does I strongly believe that DeGale will win ... despite the fact it's hard not to take a strong disliking to the guy.
Yes Tony I think i will try and head to the fight .... should Breidis Prescott incur any injury in the space of the next few weeks do not be at all surprised if Marcos Maidana steps into the breach. Before the Prescott match was made, a deal had been agreed in principle for Maidana to fight McCloskey and he was prepared to travel to Belfast. Then Maidana received a "Vito Corleone" offer to fight Roberto Guerrero and he took it. Guerrero has now pulled out of the fight after sustaining a shoulder injury. Maidana is supposed to be devestated as he obviously fears all his preparations will go down the swanny, the whole fight card for that night (Aug 27th) has now been scrapped. Maidana is now talking about fighting an opponent a week after the McCloskey fight in his native Argentina.
He'll get no big names at this notice, if the opportunity arises he will jump at the chance to fight McCloskey on a Sky Sports bill, the exposure alone will help Maidana get what he craves the most ... another shot at Khan.
Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez, I'm hearing this fight is off due to an illness to Kiko's father.
Any confirmation on this?
Looks like it MR, Big Bang Casey is going to step in. Not a bad replacement, big bang will look to knock out frampton in the same way martinez would have. Don't think casey is as technically as good but still has the makings of a very interesting fight.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 28, 2011, 02:24:16 PM
Looks like it MR, Big Bang Casey is going to step in. Not a bad replacement, big bang will look to knock out frampton in the same way martinez would have. Don't think casey is as technically as good but still has the makings of a very interesting fight.
You think Martinez would have beat Carl? Aye that will be a tasty replacement
If Big Bang Casey looses this fight will he change his name to just Casey?
Why is Rogie referring to himself in the third person?
I think Frampton would have won on points, but I have to say that I was surprised at Frampton being installed as favourite by many bookies. A lot of effort was put in to bring Martinez to Belfast, the negotiations were far from straight forward, but his management were prepared to put that effort in to bring him over here as they were very confident of the win and know what a scalp Martinez would have been.
McGuigan has continuously talked up Frampton as a real prospect and knows that he has to put him in against the likes of Martinez if he is ever going to be considered amongst the elite of the division. I guess the disappointing thing from Frampton's perspective is that if he had beat Martinez it could have launched him into the top ten of the division. While a win over Casey would also boost him in the rankings it won't get him that near the top ten.
Good to see a bit of rain in Croker, should help the Donegal cause. C'mon Donegal!
In fairness Carl has been training hard would be spending a lot of time over in England training with the McGuigan's. While slightly inexperienced he believes he has the power and game plan to do well at this division.
Too early to have a shot at the big hitters out there but Barry is taking things slow and wary of an early defeat in his career could end up hurting him.
Seems Casey has pulled the plug on fighting Carl Frampton on the 10th. Casey wants to fight but his backroom team have asked for a lot more money.
I hope that they dont throw some hasbeen / neverwas in against Carl to save the bill. PMcC is damaged goods ie world title contender so the promoters are clutching at straws - Frampton v Martinez was the attraction... :-[
Bellew v Cleverley looks like it is going to happen.
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on August 31, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
I hope that they dont throw some hasbeen / neverwas in against Carl to save the bill. PMcC is damaged goods ie world title contender so the promoters are clutching at straws - Frampton v Martinez was the attraction... :-[
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The promoters are clutcing at straws ?? :D i've been sitting here for a few minutes trying to digest that comment and i'm still baffled ... help me out here ...
Are you saying that because McCloskey no longer has an unblemished record, that no one is interested in watching him ? That's a ridiculous comment. No other Irish boxer has a following like Paul McCloskey.
McCloskey vs Prescott taken purely from a promotional point of view is a fight that is easy to sell - He's fighting the only guy that's beat Khan.
Yes, Frampton vs martinez or frampton vs Casey both had the makings of great fights but the bill isn't going to collapse because Frampton is now fighting the not well known Australian champion Mark Quon for the commonwealth superbantam weight title.
I see Fury got his opponent for the 17th - Nicolai Firtha - now that's a hard sell. Almost wish it wasn't on channel 5 - i don't think it's going to be a great advertisement for boxing being back on terrestial tv.
Only fight worth watching on the 17th is Mayweather vs Ortiz, nobody does pre-fight build up shows like HBO and their 24/7 series.
Mayweather vs Ortiz (24/7) - Episode 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtJHdSfY8sM
Mayweather vs Ortiz (24/7) - Episode 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjEM0GiTUJM
Surprised De La Hoya is promoting this fight, with Ortiz being 'damaged goods' and all that, losing to Maidana ;) Now when i think about it i don't even want to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao anymore - I mean Pacquiao's lost three times and drawn twice, who would ever want to see those two in a ring ;) ;)
Rogan got a shot at a World title...granted its the WBU but in Belfast too.
who's he boxing?
Lewis Andreas Pineda of Panama.
Atticus Finch assures me the WBU belt is widely respected as it was once held by George Foreman.
Lads is there plenty of time to go to championship games on the saturday and get up to belfast for the action. Looking forward te both
I said nothing of the sort Whiskey and you know it ... The words Alphabet Soup come to mind. The sanctioning organization might have got a bit of good press as a result of the Mickey Ward film but it still doesn't change anything.
The last proper belt Foreman won was when he beat Michael Moorer.
Good stuff Hi Mucker, you about for a few pre and post fight jars.
I've got a pair of tickets for the bout if anyone is interested - trying to get rid of them for a friend. He's just looking face value (£88) if anyone is interested, PM me. Thanks.
I will surely, but i wont have my dancing shoes with me!
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 05, 2011, 03:37:46 PM
I said nothing of the sort Whiskey and you know it ... The words Alphabet Soup come to mind.
So if its only an alphabet title whats all this craic about Foreman being 'so proud of it, he put his name on it'
You're getting mixed up with his grill !
He was so proud of that, he put his name to it.
Great piece of kit it is too, earned him more money than his boxing career ever did.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 05, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
You're getting mixed up with his grill ! ::)
He was so proud of that, he put his name to it.
Great piece of kit it is too, earned him more money than his boxing career ever did.
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caught me some fresh fish for mah george formby grill
Is the fella fighting Rogan a mug ?
Is McCloskey on the box?
Quote from: Minder on September 05, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
Is the fella fighting Rogan a mug ?
He's ranked 197 in the world by box rec (BTW Rogan is ranked 102 with them). Think that says what the title is worth.
Yes - McCloskey fight is on Sky Sports. Not sure of the channel.
Sky Sports 3 from 8pm then they head over to the klitschov fight in Poland I think...
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 04, 2011, 02:45:37 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on August 31, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
I hope that they dont throw some hasbeen / neverwas in against Carl to save the bill. PMcC is damaged goods ie world title contender so the promoters are clutching at straws - Frampton v Martinez was the attraction... :-[
Only fight worth watching on the 17th is Mayweather vs Ortiz, nobody does pre-fight build up shows like HBO and their 24/7 series.
Mayweather vs Ortiz (24/7) - Episode 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtJHdSfY8sM
Mayweather vs Ortiz (24/7) - Episode 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjEM0GiTUJM
Thanks for reminding me Atticus, 24/7 is an unreal show - can't wait to get home from work and watch it!
Any predictions for tonight ?
My stab would be:
McCloskey to win quite comfortably on points.
Frampton, after a slow start to stop Mark Quon in the 7th round.
Klitschko to Ko Adamek in the 8th round.
I'd fancy McCloskey to win by at least 4 rounds. Frampton will be keen to stop Quon witha big crowd watching and I think he will in the later rounds. I think Adamek may last the distance but I'd still fancy Klitschko to win on points.
You pinting anywhere before the event Atticus? Thinking of McHugh's maybe as it'll be a quick dander over.
All the best to Dudey for tonight.
If he wins who is his next opponent likely to be?
I'd say there's a good chance of going to McHughs before hand Rav, although in saying that the after party doors open at 5 ??? and 2.50 drinks may see us in there ;D
Want to be heading in around 7ish, I reckon the Frampton fight will be kicking off not much later than 8 and want to make sure i get to see Eamon O'Kane's fight. Leaving now so i'll give you a shout when we get up there and see where you are at.
Streetfighter - Not overlooking Prescott but Dudey should prevail and if he does then i reckon it'll most likely be Maidana up next, Khan is expected to make a move up in weight.
After Carl's last fight, which was a tough enough encounter i think he'll want to put him away early, will depend on how long he works out his style and then impose himself. I'm going for a 5 round stoppage.
The inlaws are heading to it tonight, would have went myself but was in Dublin last weekend!!
McCloskey to win in the tenth
I hope you're right MR ... On the journey on the way up I was thinking a bit about the fight and with Prescott struggling to make weight, he will find it tough to last the pace come the later rounds and will become sluggish, if the stoppage is possible McCloskey will go for it, trust me on that ... This morning I was thinking McCloskey to win on points but now i'm thinking McCloskey between rounds 10-12. 20/1 on bet365 ... Unreal value !
any online links?
Aye lads throw up some links please
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/4122/1/paul-mccloskey-vs-breidis-prescott-and-kiko-martinez-vs-carl-frampton.html
Make sure you have pop-up blocker switched off
Good man 4father
is that link free
Tis. Enjoy.
MR2, well done to your club on the Dunloy result, i was over watching and yiz were great, have been very impressed with yiz all year!
Quote from: 4father on September 10, 2011, 08:07:27 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/4122/1/paul-mccloskey-vs-breidis-prescott-and-kiko-martinez-vs-carl-frampton.html
cracking link indeed
Brilliant fight, that lad was not in the same league as Carl. Quigg would be a great fight but Carl may need a few more harder fights leading up to it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2011, 08:37:36 PM
Brilliant fight, that lad was not in the same league as Carl. Quigg would be a great fight but Carl may need a few more harder fights leading up to it.
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Quote from: 4father on September 10, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
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Cheers good picture quality at minute
Thon lad looks as if he'll give him all he wants
Rd 1 Precott, not sure it was a knockdown
Quote from: Minder on September 10, 2011, 08:41:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2011, 08:37:36 PM
Brilliant fight, that lad was not in the same league as Carl. Quigg would be a great fight but Carl may need a few more harder fights leading up to it.
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This one
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Mccloskeys in a bit of bother here!
Prescott is very impressive here, McCloskey needs a knock out!
Yeah, Knockout required, better round though so maybe he's tiring
They starry plough shorts Dudey is wearing.
BTW, that was defo McCloskeys round there
Another McCloskey round there (10), still need a KO do you think lads?
I can see Prescott being deducted a point!
Quote from: 4father on September 10, 2011, 09:36:36 PM
Another McCloskey round there (10), still need a KO do you think lads?
yeah, thinks he needs to put him on his arse, or what about a home town decision?
Eamonn McGee in that corner is a co*k
A draw? or a hometown decision. If he wins the last round I think its his!!!!
Come on ya boy ya!
Come on Dudey!
He took a good right there, balls of steel the wee man has
Good finish to the fight
Shit this is very close.
That fight is too close to call maybe a draw?
I'd say beat, didn't do enough, great finish though
Gonna be a tight one. Prescott by a nose I reckon. Good second half from McCloskey - good call from Atticus as Prescott tired towards the end.
Home town decision, bit hard on the Prescott i think
Home town decision alright. The judges must have been in the bar for the first half of the fight. Good to see regardless. Well done McCloskey.
Don't think that was a unanimous decision but fair play to mccloskey didn't think he could turn that round after the 8th!
PHEW !
Dudey didn't even look as if he won it. Very tough on Presscott. Dudey did have a good second half but thought Prescott did more than enough, be good to hear Atticus's verdict later
Even when Prescott tired McCloskey hardly hit him.
Lucky boy.
Home town decision just like the All Ireland Final 1995.
Lads that's a disgrace. Don't get me wrong I'm delighted but there is no way Dudey won the fight.
Was surprised at that result. I thought yer man even won the last round.
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Was surprised at that result. I thought yer man even won the last round.
jaysis nah, now come on there....dudey totally out on his feet for the final 30secs but dudey totally controlled the last
Quote from: Abble on September 10, 2011, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Was surprised at that result. I thought yer man even won the last round.
jaysis nah, now come on there....dudey totally out on his feet for the final 30secs but dudey totally controlled the last
Yeah maybe but the other 14 rounds? don't think overall he won the fight, that's from my limited knowledge of boxing mind you
Thought Prescott shaded it. Definite home town decision!
Quote from: Abble on September 10, 2011, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Was surprised at that result. I thought yer man even won the last round.
jaysis nah, now come on there....dudey totally out on his feet for the final 30secs but dudey totally controlled the last
I thought he was caught twice in the last - McCloskey was coming forward but the only scoring lands came from the other lad.
possibly the draw would've been the fair result. but no doubt about when it got down to the last 3 or 4 rounds, mcloskey was on his game
Near hometime for Adamek
cant see this past this round
Referee!
White towel time!
It's like watching Charlie Vernon bate the fcuk outta Collie McCullagh.
Or Jackie Tyrrell v Larry Corbett
its all over :D
If I was Adamek, i'd want a the photo of Klitsko on the ground there and him looking down at him, move away to Siberia and tell people you beat him that day.
He definitely should have stuck the boot in him when he had the chance.
great result for paul, this will give him a title fight which he no douibt will win. amir cant hide from him for too long
Farsical decision.
I'd money on Prescott and am ragin. I'm sure Prescott is disgusted.
MCCloskey doesnt do it for me, he's a boring fighter who lacks power, he has no muscle--even when he was 'on top' he hardly touched Prescott. I want to like PAul as he's from here but any time i've seen him he hasnt impressed me. Against Khan although he was hard done by he'd done f**k all offensively and was a waste of pay per view money.
A blindman could see it was a Hometown decision tonight. PRescott defo took the last round. Fair enough he slowed in 2nd half of fight but he won that fight comfortably
Paul was gutsy in that he didnt crumble after the first few nightmare rounds but that doesnt mean that he won that fight.
Farce
Can't argue with that
yeah was at the fight and was sure Paul had lost by at least a round ,scored well with his right at times but was in real trouble a couple of times also-not convinced on this outing
Cant believe more aren't talking about this decision.
I'd money on Prescott to knock McCloskey out so had no real interest in who won on points as my bet was already busted.
But i cannot believe that McCloskey was adjudged by all three judges to have won that fight!
So you lost a best Gold, get over it. Im sure Dudey felt alot worse after the farce that was the Khan fight.
As regards Sat, was a home town decision for sure. I've watched it again. I had it a draw on the night and again after watching the replay. A rematch would have been the ticket. Prescott defo deserves another crack and a rematch against the likes of Prescott would bring Dudey on a bit and show if (if he was to win) that he has a real chance of winning a world title (which I think he has)
Dudey started so badly, as did Khan, Dudey survived with his granite chin, Khan was floored. It takes some bravery and heart to come back and win the 2nd half of a fight in which you've been battered in the first half. As for Gold calling McCloskey a 'boring fighter'..sweet jesus, he is the complete opposite of a boring fighter (If you watched the Klitschko fight after, now theres a boring fighter, robotic)....dont bet against the Irish and you wont be left as bitter and twisted as you are ;)
Quote from: J OGorman on September 12, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
So you lost a best Gold, get over it. Im sure Dudey felt alot worse after the farce that was the Khan fight.
As regards Sat, was a home town decision for sure. I've watched it again. I had it a draw on the night and again after watching the replay. A rematch would have been the ticket. Prescott defo deserves another crack and a rematch against the likes of Prescott would bring Dudey on a bit and show if (if he was to win) that he has a real chance of winning a world title (which I think he has)
Dudey started so badly, as did Khan, Dudey survived with his granite chin, Khan was floored. It takes some bravery and heart to come back and win the 2nd half of a fight in which you've been battered in the first half. As for Gold calling McCloskey a 'boring fighter'..sweet jesus, he is the complete opposite of a boring fighter (If you watched the Klitschko fight after, now theres a boring fighter, robotic)....dont bet against the Irish and you wont be left as bitter and twisted as you are ;)
Fair enough analysis.
McCloskey looked dead and buried up until the 6th round.
The man has some heart to turn it around the way he did.
He has to be congratsulated for that.
Bigger and better things ahead hopefully.
I'm with Gold with regards to the way the fight went, now we can all be happy that an Irish man won the fight but in the way he won it he'll not be happy. The other lad won it in my eyes, but I've yet to hear a certain posters view on the fight.
He is well versed on boxing, and his views are very informative
I backed him to win in the 10 round :(
First fight I ever went too. Defintely a lot different than watching it on telly. I had Prescott winning Round 1 and possibly the last. 3 rounds with his 10 - 8 in the first. I had McCloskey willing 4 in the middle round 7 - 11 (one I had a draw). That was on the night.
I watched the fight again last night on the telly. Id definitely have given Prescott 1,2 and maybe 3. After that I thought it was even until McCloskey got hit in the 7th and stared at him. Watching the 12th again last night I thought McCloskey could have shaded that.
Taking Judges that had it 114 - 113 if McCloskey won the last 5 rounds it would mean that Prescott won 3 rounds (10 - 8 round too) leaving 4 rounds even.
I dont think it is that unreasonable. Then again im not a massive boxing fan and could be talking through my ass.
If anything I was far more impressed with Prescott trying to box rather than trying to knock his man out in the first few rounds. He looked more comfortable at Saturday nights weight than he did versus Mitchell.
I wonder if Dudey will offer up the rematch, that Prescott (and the world) probably thinks he should get ? in much the same way as mccloskey thought it fair to ask for a rematch with khan ?
Quote from: Abble on September 12, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
I wonder if Dudey will offer up the rematch, that Prescott (and the world) probably thinks he should get ? in much the same way as mccloskey thought it fair to ask for a rematch with khan ?
The fight finished, Dudey threw more punches and landed more punches. The knockdown wasnt a knockdown.The Italian /French/English judges all seen it this way. The Khan fixed fight was completely different
for the record, I still think the fight ended a draw and that Prescott should get another crack...boxing is tough enough
The way he came back into it in the 2nd half of the fight was one of the best nights in Irish sport Ive seen in a long time. But, the begrudging tubes coming on here whining about Dudey's win is, well, typical of the Irish psychy..put the hooer in his place! ::)
Quote from: J OGorman on September 12, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
So you lost a best Gold, get over it. Im sure Dudey felt alot worse after the farce that was the Khan fight.
As regards Sat, was a home town decision for sure. I've watched it again. I had it a draw on the night and again after watching the replay. A rematch would have been the ticket. Prescott defo deserves another crack and a rematch against the likes of Prescott would bring Dudey on a bit and show if (if he was to win) that he has a real chance of winning a world title (which I think he has)
Dudey started so badly, as did Khan, Dudey survived with his granite chin, Khan was floored. It takes some bravery and heart to come back and win the 2nd half of a fight in which you've been battered in the first half. As for Gold calling McCloskey a 'boring fighter'..sweet jesus, he is the complete opposite of a boring fighter (If you watched the Klitschko fight after, now theres a boring fighter, robotic)....dont bet against the Irish and you wont be left as bitter and twisted as you are ;)
Re Boring fighter --fair enough you're right in that he did come back into the fight very well having looked out on his feet --he didnt crumple as many lesser men would have and fought like a trojan to the end. The reason i said boring is that he never looks like he's gonna bury an opponent with one punch--that's just my take on his boxing style
As for betting against an irishman--i wouldnt usually and am always delighted when one of our own does well --just felt at this weight Prescott would have the power (with his obvious height/weight/muscular advantage) to knock him out and thought it was money in the bank--i should've given Paul's chin more credit and wont make the same mistake again
Re Bitter/Twisted --wise up --as i said once Paul wasnt knocked out my bet was gone anyway--just felt Prescott did enough to win and was astounded that all 3 judges saw it differently --but what do i know!
Whether it's against my/in favour of my own team or not i like to see fair play in sport and games/fights called correctly --whether it's Kildare being robbed 2 years in a row or a fight called wrongly --i hate to see it and thought at the time Prescott was robbed. From seeing the punch totals since the fight fair play to Paul for upping the punches in last few rounds, some workrate but it was difficult to ascertain his workrate on first viewing due to his lack of power and given the marks on Paul's face compared to Prescotts
So if your not part of the 'Dudey' fanclub you are a begrudger!!!!
Even a blind man would have to admit he was very very lucky to get that decision and if Mcclouskey was on the other side of the fight his fanclub here would be up in arms.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 12, 2011, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: Abble on September 12, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
I wonder if Dudey will offer up the rematch, that Prescott (and the world) probably thinks he should get ? in much the same way as mccloskey thought it fair to ask for a rematch with khan ?
The fight finished, Dudey threw more punches and landed more punches. The knockdown wasnt a knockdown.The Italian /French/English judges all seen it this way. The Khan fixed fight was completely different
for the record, I still think the fight ended a draw and that Prescott should get another crack...boxing is tough enough
The way he came back into it in the 2nd half of the fight was one of the best nights in Irish sport Ive seen in a long time. But, the begrudging tubes coming on here whining about Dudey's win is, well, typical of the Irish psychy..put the hooer in his place! ::)
you're basically saying then that those who are not congratulating him today and who are not either related to paul, a fan or from his neck of woods is a begruding tube ?
where's the honour in this kind of farcical decision ?!
dont get me wrong, i love great irish sporting moments as much as the next man but there's better to be had than saturday nights victory for Paul, he deserves better than this.
Quote from: Muzz on September 12, 2011, 12:05:16 PM
First fight I ever went too. Defintely a lot different than watching it on telly. I had Prescott winning Round 1 and possibly the last. 3 rounds with his 10 - 8 in the first. I had McCloskey willing 4 in the middle round 7 - 11 (one I had a draw). That was on the night.
I watched the fight again last night on the telly. Id definitely have given Prescott 1,2 and maybe 3. After that I thought it was even until McCloskey got hit in the 7th and stared at him. Watching the 12th again last night I thought McCloskey could have shaded that.
Taking Judges that had it 114 - 113 if McCloskey won the last 5 rounds it would mean that Prescott won 3 rounds (10 - 8 round too) leaving 4 rounds even.
I dont think it is that unreasonable. Then again im not a massive boxing fan and could be talking through my ass.
If anything I was far more impressed with Prescott trying to box rather than trying to knock his man out in the first few rounds. He looked more comfortable at Saturday nights weight than he did versus Mitchell.
This is the most accurate summary of what happened. You couldnt have blamed the judges for scoring it either way or a draw. A one point decision isnt anywhere near as controversial as some people are claiming
It was the first fight I ever attended in the flesh and it was thoroughly enjoyable. I thought there would be more of a crowd there though in fairness as there was quite a bit of empty space in the Odyssey.
Having said that the crowd that were there made serious noise and it was a very enjoyable atmosphere.
I enjoyed the fight and thought it was a good scrap, my gut feeling was that Dudey had earned a draw but wasn't overly surprised by the final result. I had no idea how much of an effect the crowd has on a fight like that. Every time Dudey swung and missed even you thought he'd taken your mans head off by the crowd reaction yet Prescott hit some real dingers and there would barely be a word from the crowd. No matter how good or impartial a judge is there is not way that couldn't sway them.
Anyway good luck to Dudey whoever he fights next. This fight has made me think twice about the Khan fight and I believe he would have come strong towards the end of that fight had he got the chance. Hopefully we'll find out but I can't see Khan coming down in weight for him!
Just watched the fight again.
Opinion hasn't changed.
McCloskey edged it against Prescott who is one tough nut.
Dudey is a hardy buck- Took some slaps but also threw some.
Where can you watch the fight again if you havent sky+'d it?
Quote from: Gold on September 12, 2011, 08:35:58 PM
Where can you watch the fight again if you havent sky+'d it?
You can watch it on U tube- excellent quality.
On saturday night Paul McCloskey had the toughest fight of his career and has had the best possible preparation he could have possibly had if he is going to stand any chance of coming out on top should he face, as planned, Marcos Maidana in his next fight.
In terms of what the correct decision was, if I was completely honest I think it boiled down to how you scored the 5th round. In my eyes you could have quite easily called it in Prescott's favour, in Dudey's favour or a draw. I'm biased so I will err on the side of caution and give that round to Prescott. If he did get that round then overall I would have awarded the fight in Prescott's favour.
However, i don't think that would have been the fair result - the knockdown in the first was not legitimate and while you have to take it into account when scoring the fight ... it would have been harsh on McCloskey, who had to dig deeper than he has ever had to in his whole career, if he had left the Odyssey empty handed. The fair result would have been a draw but I don't think you could say Mccloskey left the Odyssey with a Dick Turpin mask and a swag bag but I will say that the judge who scored it in McCloskey's favour by two rounds was wrong ... plain and simple.
He's got the rub of the green on this occasion and after what happened in Manchester I don't think a lot of people will begrudge him a bit of luck on this occasion. At the same time, I admire Prescott for the way he conducted himself and i feel sorry for him because at the same time he didn't deserve to lose. I thank him, because if Dudey is to ever get a world title it will be as a result of the lessons he learned on Saturday night.
Was i disappointed about Saturday night ? The answer to that is yes and no in equal measure.
I was disappointed by the way McCloskey started the fight, i'd say since the Lauri fight he's started to get a reputation for a slow starter. Not only did he take until the 4th round until he got out of the blocks but he seemed to leave his best quality as a fighter at home in Dungiven. That quality is his elusiveness, Khan as fast as he is struggled to really tag McCloskey but Prescott was enjoying open season in the first three rounds and peppering him, left, right and centre with solid shots.
I think the crowd got caught up in the atmosphere and didn't appreciate how much in trouble Dudey was in those early stages. I was texting lads back home to ask them how it was looking on the box and they confirmed my worst fears .... it was looking like a cross between Sonia from eastenders and Fizz from Coronation Street ... it really wasn't pretty.
The fourth round was a relief to me and i harboured a bit of hope but then came the sixth and i genuinely couldn't watch at a stage because he was taking some damage and i thought it was only a matter of time before he would go down and unlike the first round this knockdown would be the real mccoy and i wouldn't have had a great deal of confidence that McCloskey would surface. But then from somewhere McCloskey mustered energy and started to find his feet and not only that but as expected Prescott started to slow and that only spurred McCloskey on. Before the fight it was this section of the fight that i hoped McCloskey would capitalise and come out on top, with the way Prescott struggled to make weight I was hoping McCloskey would make more hay than he did but bearing in mind the punishment he shipped (particularly in that sixth round) I don't know how he summoned the strength and energy to finish the fight in the manner he did, he was out on his feet at the very end of the fight and could bearly stand up on the ropes to salute the fans that may well have got him the benefit of the doubt. And for that reason i am delighted with him, he did what he had to do to turn things around, whether he did enough will be questioned and deservedly questioned by many but you can't fault his heart or his chin. Come the final curtain, I was hoping and praying that Dudey got the benefit of the doubt but would not have been surprised by the announcement of a draw or a Prescott win.
If Maidana comes up next he is going to have to up his game considerably and he would say that himself. I think Maidana will have no fears from watching that fight and the bout is a very distinct possibility. In terms of where it would be, I know Maidana was prepared to come to Belfast before he opted to fight Guerrero (fight ended up falling through due to Guerrero sustaining a shoulder injury ) but you would imagine that he would have second thoughts about coming to Belfast and fearing a 'home decision' after Saturday night ... Overall, I believe that his lack of fear of McCloskey would outweigh his fear of coming to Belfast should he be offered an attractive purse ... we will have to wait and see.
Odyssey could have been more packed than it was on Saturday night and Eddie Hearn recognised that they had made a mistake on the pricing structure ... your average boxing fan in Belfast just won't shell out on £75-£100 tickets to watch a fight, especially when you have an attractive undercard fight falling through late in the day.
Briefly want to mention Carl Frampton, fair play to him he was looking sharp and i would love to see him go on to bigger things. I missed the 4th round as i had to head out and get tickets to a few friends and just at the moment i came back the referee was waving it all over. He'll know that he'll have bigger tests to come but he has plenty of time in which to take those tests. Seems like a level headed fella and comes across well from what i've seen of him so far.
What was even more disappointed by was that i missed the Eamon O'kane fight, by all accounts he was in scintillating form - once again people will say it's easy to look good against weak opposition but Rea is a tough enough cookie and you can only beat who is in put in front of you.
McCloskey knows there is a lot of work to do after this, even if he finds his renowned elusiveness - his overall game is going to have to be better if and when he faces Marcos Maidana. Maidana won't slow and tire like Prescott did on Saturday night.
What fight fell through Atticus? "Dee" Taggart didnt get fighting and another fight I cant remember the name now. I thought they may have put them on after the McCloskey fight but the crowd cleared so I headed off too.
King Kane fought well. Rea was definitely a tough cookie. Took good punishment. Threw some big shots himself but Eamon looked the classier boxer and was always going to win.
Frampton looked good too. Was able to get through on Quon once he sussed him out. Quon was the right type of fighter for Frampton stood there infront of him and let Frampton hit him. Kiko wont stand there infront of him.
Frampton vs Martinez ... it fell through as Martinez's father was ill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhroweFwf-I
Think Hearn says there that attendance was 6,100 - from 9.10
Ah right apologies thought you meant there was a fight on the night that had fell through.
Quote from: Gold on September 12, 2011, 08:35:58 PM
Where can you watch the fight again if you havent sky+'d it?
Sky go has it if you have activated your Sky Go logon sir
Looks like rogie has been noticing he's getting a bit of flak on boxing forums recently. I probably come under the category of "keyboard warrior" that "abuse people and know nothing about boxing" in Rogie's eyes. I'd say i'm just a boxing fan with an opinion, liike to express it from time to time and would like to think I'd normally have evidence to support it.
But here is Mr. Rogan having his say:
http://www.irish-boxing.com/2011/09/iron-man-hits-out-at-keyboard-wariors/
"I want to use this belt to entice the big names and the Klitschko's to fight me" ::) ::)
Looks like the Rogie "world title" bout is off.
British boxing board of control won't recognise the WBU, so no fight in Belfast.
Been told that the boxing union of Ireland are also unlikely to recognise so looks like no WBU fight for Rogie. Boxing union of Ireland not recognising it is a bit harsh on Rogie considering they sanctioned the recent Henry Coyle WBF fight.
I'd say here is what will happen - Tyson Fury fights this weekend, it would be a shock if he doesn't come through, they'll offer Rogan a fight, this time round he'll take it.
I see David Haye hasn't learnt anything from his last lesson
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12183_7177972,00.html
Is Mayweater Ortiz on Sky tomorrow night and if so will we have to pay for the privilege?!
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2011, 10:47:27 AM
Is Mayweater Ortiz on Sky tomorrow night and if so will we have to pay for the privilege?!
I refuse to pay for any Mayweater fight now unless its against Manny. Its about time boxing gives us the fights people want. Four World titles at every weight level and boxers avoiding each other its no wonder boxing isn't as popular as it used to be.
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2011, 10:47:27 AM
Is Mayweater Ortiz on Sky tomorrow night and if so will we have to pay for the privilege?!
It's on Primetime Screenexile, you know the people that broadcast the Dudey vs Khan fight - think it's Sky channel 480.
You should be able to get a decent stream though.
My only concern with PBF is that he is pushing on a bit, so hopefully his next fight will be against Pacquaio. I imagine thats why Khan keeps sounding Mayweather as a potential opponent in 'a few years time' as he will be on the slide. He has previous with this craic as he sneaked a 'win' against MAB, beat a past it Zab Judah and is now talking about fighting Erik Morales ffs.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 16, 2011, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2011, 10:47:27 AM
Is Mayweater Ortiz on Sky tomorrow night and if so will we have to pay for the privilege?!
It's on Primetime Screenexile, you know the people that broadcast the Dudey vs Khan fight - think it's Sky channel 480.
You should be able to get a decent stream though.
What time is it expected to start?
Depends on how the undercard fights go but you're most likely looking at around 4am.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 16, 2011, 01:49:53 PM
Depends on how the undercard fights go but you're most likely looking at around 4am.
Cheers.
Just a case of deciding whether to get up for it or stay up for it then.
Just going back to the Dudey fight and looking back on it nearly a week ago I just can't help think that he is a limited fighter who is supposedly hard to hit and has a massive heart which we all witnessed on Saturday night. Personally I thought Prescott won but wasn't suprised to see Dudey take the decision being the aggressor on home turf is always going to stand you in good stead in the judges eyes. I think against Maidana he loses without doubt on his previous showing, Maidana whilst he didn't knock Khan down, fought a much more mature and defensively a better fighter than Prescott did and was seconds from stopping him. Whilst Maidana has a reputation (rightly so with 27 ko out of 30 wins) of being a thumper, he showed he is a very good all round boxer but lacks the speed of someone like Khan. Whilst Dudey's biggest trait is his elusiveness (not on last showing) I doubt very much he could firstly outbox Maidana, secondly hurt him and thirdly stay out of his right hook without going down.
I love having a home fighter on the big stage, someone who you can admire, a good family man with a massive heart, I just think he doesn't have the power or boxing ability to take a world title and I'd love to be proven wrong cause I've so much respect for him especially after Saturday and turning the fight around when it looked it was going to be all early doors.
As for Mayweather, he's going to get it tough on Saturday night, his hardest fight in a long time against an up and coming boxer who wants to make a name for himself. Points decision for Floyd I think.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on September 16, 2011, 04:53:36 PM
Just going back to the Dudey fight and looking back on it nearly a week ago I just can't help think that he is a limited fighter who is supposedly hard to hit and has a massive heart which we all witnessed on Saturday night. Personally I thought Prescott won but wasn't suprised to see Dudey take the decision being the aggressor on home turf is always going to stand you in good stead in the judges eyes. I think against Maidana he loses without doubt on his previous showing, Maidana whilst he didn't knock Khan down, fought a much more mature and defensively a better fighter than Prescott did and was seconds from stopping him. Whilst Maidana has a reputation (rightly so with 27 ko out of 30 wins) of being a thumper, he showed he is a very good all round boxer but lacks the speed of someone like Khan. Whilst Dudey's biggest trait is his elusiveness (not on last showing) I doubt very much he could firstly outbox Maidana, secondly hurt him and thirdly stay out of his right hook without going down.
I love having a home fighter on the big stage, someone who you can admire, a good family man with a massive heart, I just think he doesn't have the power or boxing ability to take a world title and I'd love to be proven wrong cause I've so much respect for him especially after Saturday and turning the fight around when it looked it was going to be all early doors.
As for Mayweather, he's going to get it tough on Saturday night, his hardest fight in a long time against an up and coming boxer who wants to make a name for himself. Points decision for Floyd I think.
My tuppence worth is that Mayweather will have it easy enough. Be surprised if he doesn't win by four clear rounds. Berto isn't in the same league, may have been a great fight, but one swallow doesn't make a summer and Ortiz ain't all that I don't think.
The Mayweather fight could end up the same as his Gatti fight. I'm looking forward to watching Morales fight tonight. I love watching him fight, he always ends up in a war. Two of my favourite fighters of all time fighting on the same night.
Any proposed links for the Mayweather fight tomorrow morning??
is the fury fight on telly tonite?
Quote from: hardstation on September 17, 2011, 09:02:35 PM
Antrim jersey on Fury! Go on ye boy ye.
The other boy had a Kerry beanie on.
Paddy Doherty (celeb gypo) was interviewed there. "I've known Tyson all my life".
Paddy is 52. Tyson is 23.
:D
The promoters have been desperate to drum up some ticket sales amongst McCooey's which explains the Antrim jersey.
He hasnt had that jersey off all week--some hum off him!
Creagh Concrete gettin some free advertising!
Could be an option at full forward!
channel five go down or jsut me?
Just you
ah bugger every other channel working
Quote from: CiKe on September 17, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
channel five go down or jsut me?
Lost signal at end of the first round too
Back on now
Stopped fairly sharp there
just got it back up to see the stoppage. daft decision altogether
Although yer man was getting pummelled, he still had that threat he dished out 2 rounds previous. A hasty decision.
Quote from: CiKe on September 17, 2011, 09:32:39 PM
just got it back up to see the stoppage. daft decision altogether
Not as daft as Tyson Fury's decision to wear an Antrim top in his post-match interview.....
Quote from: The Gs Man on September 17, 2011, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: CiKe on September 17, 2011, 09:32:39 PM
just got it back up to see the stoppage. daft decision altogether
Not as daft as Tyson Fury's decision to wear an Antrim top in his post-match interview.....
He'd have worn it in the ring if they'd let him
I wonder was it a fix? Ref stopped it fairly sharply alrite. He was taking some punishment but was well fit to take it and still had a puncher's chance as we saw 2 rounds earlier.
Great fight though--plenty of punches landed, blood and little defence--just what you want to see
Fury makes great TV both in and out of the ring and i'll be supportin him from now on now that he's a fully paid -up member of the saffron army!
any links to mayweathr ortiz
The Shankill's favourite World Chempian on co-commentary. f**k sake.
Ortiz is a f**king idiot and controversial as the ending may have been, got exactly what he deserves for that headbutt.
Absolutely f**king ludicrous.
Bullshit
Larry Merchant you f**king hero!!!
Fair play to Larry. Ref was clueless all along.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 18, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
Fair play to Larry. Ref was clueless all along.
Steve Bunce hammering it into Cortez here.
Crazy ending to that fight, after the head butt what was Ortiz at with the gloves down? Mayweather had enough of the hugfest.
Don't have a lot of sympathy for Ortiz. His misdemeanour was just as bad.
Larry Merchant does my head. He is taking even longer to get his sentences out now ffs. I'm not surprised that Floyd let rip on him, he doesnt give Floyd the respect he deserves after each victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAa5bAy7Tc&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: JimStynes on September 18, 2011, 09:29:42 AM
Larry Merchant does my head. He is taking even longer to get his sentences out now ffs. I'm not surprised that Floyd let rip on him, he doesnt give Floyd the respect he deserves after each victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAa5bAy7Tc&feature=player_embedded
I'd rather someone called it as they see it rather than sucking his balls even if it was a shut fight.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 18, 2011, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 18, 2011, 09:29:42 AM
Larry Merchant does my head. He is taking even longer to get his sentences out now ffs. I'm not surprised that Floyd let rip on him, he doesnt give Floyd the respect he deserves after each victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAa5bAy7Tc&feature=player_embedded
I'd rather someone called it as they see it rather than sucking his balls even if it was a shut fight.
Well said Tony, plus any respect anyone had for Mayweather is gone after that showing. Hope Larry gets a dig at him soon.
"I wish I was 50 years younger and I'd kick your ass" GO LARRY!! :D
Quote from: Medic on September 18, 2011, 01:37:27 PM
"I wish I was 50 years younger and I'd kick your ass" GO LARRY!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NSE0r8wXNc
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/400932916.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1316353338&Signature=R0YpBbtxqWDdL0qqo84C5Yr6CrU%3D
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2011, 04:55:54 AM
The Shankill's favourite World Chempian on co-commentary. f**k sake.
I always liked Wayne as a boxer. He had hand speed, a solid chin and lots of heart. His wife was always the problem.
What is so sad now is that it looks like the Wife is gung-ho on pushing their daughter, Wynona, to stardom. She can't be more than 13/14. His facebook is a marketing campaign for her in numerous talent competitions, they call her Wy-Mac the hip hop dancer and artist.
Feel sorry for them in their quest to remain relevant and for the girl to be pushed so hard.
She can sing a bit but she'll never be a superstar, regardless of how bad the McCullough's want her to be.........
QuoteShe can sign a bit but she'll never be a superstar, regardless of how bad the McCullough's want her to be.........
The deaf hip-hop scene is a hard market to break into alright. ;)
Good man O.G LOL fixed that.
Irish team doing very well in the World Championships so far, all 3 (Conlon, Sheehan & Moylette) have won their bouts.
If a boxer gets as far as the quater finals then they qualify for the olympcs ( with the exception of the heavy weight and Superheavy height where the semi finalists go through) . Also if they get beaten in the quaters by the eventual gold meadalist they will also qualify for the Olympics. There shoudl be a good few of them hoping to at least qualify and a few to medal.
John Joe Nevin and Darren O Neil have made the olympics. Joe Ward got beat.
Barnes, Moylette and Ward would have been 3 of the best hopes too. I would imagine they will still male the Olympics though.
Good to see Andy Lee beating Vera at the weekend. Must be due a tilt at a title now.
(Kid) Conlon was simply brilliant today against a French boxer. He turned around a deficit from the first round and boxed his way to victory against a tough experienced opponent. It was some contest but Conlon stayed the distance better.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 04, 2011, 03:37:08 PM
Barnes, Moylette and Ward would have been 3 of the best hopes too. I would imagine they will still male the Olympics though.
Good to see Andy Lee beating Vera at the weekend. Must be due a tilt at a title now.
what title? needs to fight better names than Vera before can look for decent title shot. I'd like him to fight someone like Darren Barker, but guess not great risk reward
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 04, 2011, 03:37:08 PM
Barnes, Moylette and Ward would have been 3 of the best hopes too. I would imagine they will still male the Olympics though.
Good to see Andy Lee beating Vera at the weekend. Must be due a tilt at a title now.
Apparently our best fighters didn't get through while our lower ranked fighters did which could be a good thing. They will likely get through at the next qualifying event giving us more boxers at the olympics. Some of those beaten in the last 16 might still get through if their opponent they lost out to makes the final.
Quote from: CiKe on October 04, 2011, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 04, 2011, 03:37:08 PM
Barnes, Moylette and Ward would have been 3 of the best hopes too. I would imagine they will still male the Olympics though.
Good to see Andy Lee beating Vera at the weekend. Must be due a tilt at a title now.
what title? needs to fight better names than Vera before can look for decent title shot. I'd like him to fight someone like Darren Barker, but guess not great risk reward
Barker and Macklin both got title shots pretty handily. At the end of the day he is due a title shot, he has been beating everything that had been put in front of him and is ranked number 2 by the WBA and number 6 by the WBC.
Cleverly Bellew on Sky 456 this weekend as is the Hopkins fight and another. Channel is free until Christmas. Hope Cleverly knocks him out, been a fan of his since his amateur days when he was one of the only fighters I had watched who regularly knocked opponents out.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 14, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Cleverly Bellew on Sky 456 this weekend as is the Hopkins fight and another. Channel is free until Christmas. Hope Cleverly knocks him out, been a fan of his since his amateur days when he was one of the only fighters I had watched who regularly knocked opponents out.
great stuff nrico thanks for that
Anyone else watch the Hopkins fight? Bizarre to say the least...
how did it go boycey?
Very strange!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHOFraXlPms
Quote from: bridgegael on October 16, 2011, 11:23:27 AM
how did it go boycey?
It didn't really.. I was hoping someone else might explain it better :). After a round and half of sizing each other up Dawson ducked under Hopkins as he came forward and dumped him on the floor with a throw. It looked innocuous enough but Hopkins said he couldn't continue, replays suggest he may have hurt his shoulder. Anyway after 10 mins of mayhem the decision is announced and the assumption is that it'll be a no contest but the ref declared Dawson the winner by tko ruling there was no foul. Cue more mayhem
Quote from: Boycey on October 16, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 16, 2011, 11:23:27 AM
how did it go boycey?
It didn't really.. I was hoping someone else might explain it better :). After a round and half of sizing each other up Dawson ducked under Hopkins as he came forward and dumped him on the floor with a throw. It looked innocuous enough but Hopkins said he couldn't continue, replays suggest he may have hurt his shoulder. Anyway after 10 mins of mayhem the decision is announced and the assumption is that it'll be a no contest but the ref declared Dawson the winner by tko ruling there was no foul. Cue more mayhem
Have my suspicions about how hurt Hopkins actually was but there's no way on earth the ref can say it wasn't a foul. Sam Warburton would have been proud!
Quote from: gallsman on October 16, 2011, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Boycey on October 16, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 16, 2011, 11:23:27 AM
how did it go boycey?
It didn't really.. I was hoping someone else might explain it better :). After a round and half of sizing each other up Dawson ducked under Hopkins as he came forward and dumped him on the floor with a throw. It looked innocuous enough but Hopkins said he couldn't continue, replays suggest he may have hurt his shoulder. Anyway after 10 mins of mayhem the decision is announced and the assumption is that it'll be a no contest but the ref declared Dawson the winner by tko ruling there was no foul. Cue more mayhem
Have my suspicions about how hurt Hopkins actually was but there's no way on earth the ref can say it wasn't a foul. Sam Warburton would have been proud!
What do you mean about how hurt Hopkins was? He landed on his elbow, thus probably popping his shoulder joint out. The replay clearly shows that.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on October 16, 2011, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 16, 2011, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Boycey on October 16, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 16, 2011, 11:23:27 AM
how did it go boycey?
It didn't really.. I was hoping someone else might explain it better :). After a round and half of sizing each other up Dawson ducked under Hopkins as he came forward and dumped him on the floor with a throw. It looked innocuous enough but Hopkins said he couldn't continue, replays suggest he may have hurt his shoulder. Anyway after 10 mins of mayhem the decision is announced and the assumption is that it'll be a no contest but the ref declared Dawson the winner by tko ruling there was no foul. Cue more mayhem
Have my suspicions about how hurt Hopkins actually was but there's no way on earth the ref can say it wasn't a foul. Sam Warburton would have been proud!
What do you mean about how hurt Hopkins was? He landed on his elbow, thus probably popping his shoulder joint out. The replay clearly shows that.
It wouldnt be the first time that Hopkins used something like this to gain some rest. Granted in the 2nd you would hardly think he needed it. Regardless of the injury being real or not fact remains the decision to award the fight to Dawson on TKO was bollox.
Serious amount of Doctors on here. Any kind of akward fall can cause a fracture, ligament damage or a break to the arm, shoulder or collar bone. It is not something that is very apparent when it happpens. Why would he have wanted to quit anyway? He is not one for ducking opponents and the first round was hardly evidence of anything special to come from Dawson. Joke of a decision.
Don't think anyone is claiming to be a doctor. General opinion is how hurt Hopkins actually was? Regardless of the injury or not we all agree that the decision was completely wrong.
WBC has returned the title to Hopkins. Might be more to come by the sounds of it...
QuoteBernard Hopkins has been restored as the WBC light-heavyweight champion after his controversial defeat by Chad Dawson at the weekend was overturned.
The veteran American claimed he could not continue after hurting his shoulder when he was lifted off his feet and dumped on the canvas by Dawson.
The referee stopped the fight and gave Dawson the win on a technical knockout.
However, after a review, the WBC changed the result to a technical draw, allowing Hopkins to keep his title.
Hopkins, who suffered a dislocation of the joint connecting his left shoulder and collarbone, was furious with referee Pat Russell's decision in Los Angeles and after the fight the 46-year-old filed a formal complaint to the California boxing authorities.
In a statement, WBC president Jose Sulaiman said the WBC "respects and cannot intervene in the decisions of the boxing commissions where the fights happen, but it does intervene in regards of the recognition of a WBC title of the world".
The WBC found that Dawson broke the rule barring "any rough tactics other than clean punches" and since the incident occurred before the fifth round, the result should have been a technical draw, rather than a technical decision based on scorecards.
Sulaiman said the WBC hoped California's boxing governing body "will review our ruling at their meeting in December".
That is when the seven-member California panel is expected to make its own ruling on Hopkins' appeal and determine whether the fight will count as a loss on his record.
Hopkins believes he should have won the fight by Dawson's disqualification.
In May, Hopkins became the oldest fighter to win a boxing world championship when he defeated Jean Pascal, eclipsing the record held by George Foreman, who regained the world heavyweight title at 45.
Glad to see Hopkins get the title back. Fair play to Katie Taylor on winning at the weekend again too.
QuoteFair play to Katie Taylor on winning at the weekend again too.
Yep - another great performance - hopefully she'll can stay top of the tree in London next year
Was just thinking that its a year since O'Kane, Barnes and Gallagher won gold at the Commonwealths. What happened Gallagher - did he not enter the EU or Worlds?
Is Pacquiao-Marquez III on Sky Sports tonight or Box Office?
Prime time only I think
Prime time
Anyone know of anywhere that'll hava good stream of pacquiao marquez?
Big Tyson Fury made short work of your man there after being knocked down in the 2nd round.
I take it if Rogan did meet Fury he would get beaten?
Can somebody post a link when they have one thanks?
Got one and it's very good!
http://www.ilemi.me/33959/5/Watch-Manny-Pacquiao-vs-Juan-Manuel-Marquez/
http://www.kiwi-sportz.eu/stream-1.html
Marquez a few rounds ahead at the moment.
Pacman needs a knock out in this last round or he's beat.
OMG :o
Marquez robbed?
didnt see any of the fight but by accounts marquez should have one. that would really have put a spanner in the works of pacman/pbf in may.
Is the mayweather fight really scheduled for may or is it just pie in the sky? I haven't heard thy they have sorted their difference. Floyd still wants the extra test and pacman wont agree to it. It's about time they were forced to fight anyway
Not seen this yet but it seems clear that Marquez is Pac-Man's worst nightmare, no one else has come close to giving him a fight recently. For me great as Manny is, the first two fights are question marks on his record. I've been thinking recently that if he were to beat PBF he would probably go down in history as the greatest P4P fighter, but watched Marquez I and II again there during the week, and what with last night (based just on reports), now I'm not so sure - if he had been close but clear winner in both he could maybe claim that if he beats Mayweather. Given the controversy though not sure he can make it to the very top of my list!
Tyson Fury fight was entertaining but did anyone else notice the eejits in the crowd going mad?
No harm to Fury and i know the heavyweight division is poor these days but there is no way he is or ever will be world class.
Marquez was done up like a kipper! I had him 3 up and thought I was being generous! If his 'best mate' Khan thought he got beat then somethings up!
Utter shite being talked here, on a round for round basis, with the exception of the first Harold Lederman had it right at 116-112. Possible exception of the first so maybe it was 115-113. Marquez was relatively inactive in the last two rounds after his corner stupidly told him he was winning and he reduced his (already lower) output.
Very good, very close fight and JMM deserves all the credit in the world for still somehow figuring out Pacquiao at 38, but Pacquiao was definitely the winner.
Anywhere online that I could watch the fight?
Marquez won clearly. HBO are pushing the Pacman Mayweather fight same as the judges thats y he got the decision. Money talks Top Rank had the judges sorted.
Listen to on the rope radio clip on http://www.eastsideboxing.com/
Listen to Dwyer http://www.youtube.com/user/dwyer70905#p/a/u/0/EojVHy7J4cA
Look at Pacman after the fight does he look like a happy champ? He knew he lost
Khan called out marquez on primetime as he thought pacman lost. I like pacman but lost respect for him because of his teams back handers
bad decision to let pacman win but then money talks.
marquez is right - he should say f**k them and hang up the gloves - he has come out the wrong side of the result when he deserved more in all 3 fights
mayweather will tear pacman another hole unless pacman improves.
as for big tyson fury - decent honest big fella but shouldnt be near world title - however with the division being so poor he may get a chance.
as for the crowd at it - ::) is all I will say as some people may be offended on here ::)
had a look at that fight as I didn't bother with it as I assumed that Pac would have it by a landslide. That was one of the worst cases of robbery in a big fight in years. Horrible decision, I think that the guy who scored it a draw was probably nervous with that score card as it would have looked blatant, and now because of the other 2 judges he looks like the good guy.
Bought and paid for, felt bad for Roach, who could only say yeah there should be a rematch, but I think we won those last two rounds...
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Having watched the fight again, I'm still convinced Pacman won it - Landed more punches, better football and ring generalship.
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Well he is his mate after all.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 15, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Well he is his mate after all.
Anyone any links for the full fight? have not seen it yet.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 15, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Well he is his mate after all.
Surely if that mattered he wouldn't have called it for Marquez in the first place.
He backtracked though as he said on twitter that his words had been taken out of context.
his next tweet the day after was that he watched the fight and it was clear Manny won ::)
Wouldn't want to upset the camp.
Anyway, any links so I can judge for myself. Gallsman, you seem like in the know?
Quote from: Christmas Lights on November 15, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
He backtracked though as he said on twitter that his words had been taken out of context.
his next tweet the day after was that he watched the fight and it was clear Manny won ::)
Wouldn't want to upset the camp.
Anyway, any links so I can judge for myself. Gallsman, you seem like in the know?
I downloaded it from rapidshare
Exactly - he backtracked, having watched the thing again, which can often be crucial in boxing as in a close fight like that it's easy to cheer the underdog and lose impartiality. It's not as if Roach told him to come out with it or he wouldn't be allowed spar with Manny again!
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Having watched the fight again, I'm still convinced Pacman won it - Landed more punches, better football and ring generalship.
Finally watched the fight. Gallsman, no harm to you but you haven't a notion, and are the only one full of sh*t. I had Marquez 6-2 up after 8 rounds with Pac-Man taking only 1 and 3. At best he won two of the last four. Not sure what your definition of ring generalship is, but I would have it something along the lines of dominating the centre of the ring, cutting off the opponent and pinning on the ropes, making him fight at your pace etc. Do you know how many times Pacquiao got Marquez on the ropes in 36 minutes of boxing? Not once. You seem to have been impressed by his speed and fact he threw more punches - is that the first time you have seen him fight by any chance? He is a whirlwind ordinarily and I'm a huge fan but that was robbery altogether. Despite Manny Steward talking about his balance and what not, in my opinion he showed Marquez no respect whatsoever - he barely threw to the body at all and to my mind seemed confident that superior speed and fitness would tell.
I expected Marquez to be blown away inside 6 rounds as considered him to be getting on. Delighted to be proved wrong. Hope he takes opportunity to cut Khan to pieces.
David Haye to come out of retirement, money talks no doubt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/15928510.stm
Quote from: CiKe on November 26, 2011, 12:43:31 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Having watched the fight again, I'm still convinced Pacman won it - Landed more punches, better football and ring generalship.
Finally watched the fight. Gallsman, no harm to you but you haven't a notion, and are the only one full of sh*t. I had Marquez 6-2 up after 8 rounds with Pac-Man taking only 1 and 3. At best he won two of the last four. Not sure what your definition of ring generalship is, but I would have it something along the lines of dominating the centre of the ring, cutting off the opponent and pinning on the ropes, making him fight at your pace etc. Do you know how many times Pacquiao got Marquez on the ropes in 36 minutes of boxing? Not once. You seem to have been impressed by his speed and fact he threw more punches - is that the first time you have seen him fight by any chance? He is a whirlwind ordinarily and I'm a huge fan but that was robbery altogether. Despite Manny Steward talking about his balance and what not, in my opinion he showed Marquez no respect whatsoever - he barely threw to the body at all and to my mind seemed confident that superior speed and fitness would tell.
I expected Marquez to be blown away inside 6 rounds as considered him to be getting on. Delighted to be proved wrong. Hope he takes opportunity to cut Khan to pieces.
C'mon now lads stop squabbling like a pair of siblings. Gallsman knows his boxin CiKe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qFNXCI3Vo&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qFNXCI3Vo&feature=player_embedded#!)
the Pocket Rocket has lost it completely. Not able to settle for a decent full time job with the UFC and all the benefits that go with it, his numerous journalistic efforts with Sky TV and the like, Wayne has resorted to stupid YouTube videos in the hope of keeping himself relevant and raising his daughter's profile.
The girl has no star quality, his messed up Chempian accent and is riding on the merits of her name.
Is this all him or the doings of Cheryl????
If you were not already excited for the Cotto fight on Sat night check out this interview with both fighters.....
Cotto looks like he is going to murder him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXxfbQ4Hpg&list=PL3D574A5EF4D12F6E&index=11&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXxfbQ4Hpg&list=PL3D574A5EF4D12F6E&index=11&feature=plpp_video)
Quote from: The Iceman on December 01, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
If you were not already excited for the Cotto fight on Sat night check out this interview with both fighters.....
Cotto looks like he is going to murder him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXxfbQ4Hpg&list=PL3D574A5EF4D12F6E&index=11&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXxfbQ4Hpg&list=PL3D574A5EF4D12F6E&index=11&feature=plpp_video)
The first fight was incredible. Unbelievable how Marg just walked through Cotto's punches to eventually wear him down. I was stunned when I saw Cotto take a knee.
Quote from: Gold on November 30, 2011, 06:37:02 PM
Quote from: CiKe on November 26, 2011, 12:43:31 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2011, 07:49:27 PM
Having watched the fight again, Khan has come out and said that Pacquiao sneaked it by one or two rounds.
Having watched the fight again, I'm still convinced Pacman won it - Landed more punches, better football and ring generalship.
Finally watched the fight. Gallsman, no harm to you but you haven't a notion, and are the only one full of sh*t. I had Marquez 6-2 up after 8 rounds with Pac-Man taking only 1 and 3. At best he won two of the last four. Not sure what your definition of ring generalship is, but I would have it something along the lines of dominating the centre of the ring, cutting off the opponent and pinning on the ropes, making him fight at your pace etc. Do you know how many times Pacquiao got Marquez on the ropes in 36 minutes of boxing? Not once. You seem to have been impressed by his speed and fact he threw more punches - is that the first time you have seen him fight by any chance? He is a whirlwind ordinarily and I'm a huge fan but that was robbery altogether. Despite Manny Steward talking about his balance and what not, in my opinion he showed Marquez no respect whatsoever - he barely threw to the body at all and to my mind seemed confident that superior speed and fitness would tell.
I expected Marquez to be blown away inside 6 rounds as considered him to be getting on. Delighted to be proved wrong. Hope he takes opportunity to cut Khan to pieces.
C'mon now lads stop squabbling like a pair of siblings. Gallsman knows his boxin CiKe
Gimme a clue?
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 01, 2011, 08:16:46 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 01, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
If you were not already excited for the Cotto fight on Sat night check out this interview with both fighters.....
Cotto looks like he is going to murder him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXxfbQ4Hpg&list=PL3D574A5EF4D12F6E&index=11&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXxfbQ4Hpg&list=PL3D574A5EF4D12F6E&index=11&feature=plpp_video)
The first fight was incredible. Unbelievable how Marg just walked through Cotto's punches to eventually wear him down. I was stunned when I saw Cotto take a knee.
Agreed Cotto took some battering and to be honest I thought he took a brave decision to actually quit, knowing the abuse he would get - he took a massive amount of punishment in that fight and if he had kept going it may have been the end of him. Always good to watch, hope Cotto returns the favour and hammers him.
Anyone any idea of were to watch cotto margarito. im living in fermanagh and the only station showing it seems to be boxnation tv which is pay per view 6 month subscribtion! I usually watch fights on my2p2 but my bandwidth isnt big enough any ideas?????
when did Box Nation go subscription? it was free last time I checked about a fortnight ago!
Nigel Benn v Gerald McClellan – the tragic fight continues to haunt
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/dec/02/nigel-benn-gerald-mcclellan-fight
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2011, 04:15:29 PM
Nigel Benn v Gerald McClellan – the tragic fight continues to haunt
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/dec/02/nigel-benn-gerald-mcclellan-fight
To this day it's still the best boxing fight I've seen but a truly tragic end. The documentary ,The Fight Of Our Lives should be worth a watch.
What time is the Cotto Margarito fight due to start? 3-4 I presume? Post any links here when found...
http://www.ilemi.me/36208/2/Watch-Miguel-Cotto-vs-Antonio-Margarito/
This is working well at the moment
how did it go? any reports?
Report on fight
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2011/1204/cottom.html
Box Nation went subscription from 1st December
This Kahn Peterson fight is a good one so far. Kahn the faster but Peterson definitely troubling him with some big shots.
I think Peterson might have edged this now with the deducted points
Peterson wins!!! Wow. Amazing amazing fight. Got to hand it to Peterson. Kahn just didn't have the power to stop Peterson coming and coming. Points deductions will be talked about but they were justified, the ref warned him numerous times. Kahn also has terrible timing for his punches, he doesn't wait for an opportunity to throw the combinations, just throws them willy nilly.
Kahn is such a d1ck. Blaming the ref and the fact that it was in DC. Can't face that he lost the fight fair and square. This is why he hasn't been the draw he could have been over the last while.
Quote from: The Claw on December 11, 2011, 05:17:29 AM
Kahn is such a d1ck. Blaming the ref and the fact that it was in DC. Can't face that he lost the fight fair and square. This is why he hasn't been the draw he could have been over the last while.
He took that defeat well, simply not as good as he think's he is.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2011, 05:25:58 AM
Quote from: The Claw on December 11, 2011, 05:17:29 AM
Kahn is such a d1ck. Blaming the ref and the fact that it was in DC. Can't face that he lost the fight fair and square. This is why he hasn't been the draw he could have been over the last while.
He took that defeat well, simply not as good as he think's he is.
How did he take the defeat well? He said it was like fighting two people in the ring and that he was the "clean fighter". Blamed Peterson for coming in with his head. Never once admitted that he was outfought.
Quote from: The Claw on December 11, 2011, 06:04:40 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2011, 05:25:58 AM
Quote from: The Claw on December 11, 2011, 05:17:29 AM
Kahn is such a d1ck. Blaming the ref and the fact that it was in DC. Can't face that he lost the fight fair and square. This is why he hasn't been the draw he could have been over the last while.
He took that defeat well, simply not as good as he think's he is.
How did he take the defeat well? He said it was like fighting two people in the ring and that he was the "clean fighter". Blamed Peterson for coming in with his head. Never once admitted that he was outfought.
I need to work on my sarcasm.
Didn't think he was outfought. The 2 deducted points lost him the fight. He'd have retained his belt only for the loss of that point with a minute to go. I thought they won 6 rounds each.
never saw the fight, but khan is nowhere near as good as he is hyped up to be. talk of him fighting pbf next year, wouldnt last three rounds.
any word on ricky hatton making a comeback next year? should get his licence if true.
Amir Khan.....no he can't :D
I'll just get my coat....
Just paid £10 for 'legends of boxing' which is basically a 4 DVD set from ESPN which counts down the top 10 heavyweights in Bert Sugar's opinion. Also includes the entire Thrilla in Manila and the Rumble in the Jungle as well as extensive highlights of fights from Holmes, Frazier and Marciano. Great watch. Some belts and some fights back then.
Dissapointed he wasn't knocked out. He fights boxers that are past it and then there are 1 or 2 not so good young boxers thrown in for good measure.
its funny watchin him and his crew callin for a rematch after the way they behaved after mccloskey fight.
I'm not going to lie, I thoroughly enjoyed that fight.
In the end up the points deductions swung a fight that was in the balance - but i don't think that should take anything away from Lamont Peterson's performance. He dug deep and overall he landed the big eye catching blows.
Khan has been getting away with elbows, holding and pushing for years. It was nice to see him get his comeuppance for a change. I think the deductions for the pushes was slightly harsh but when you don't look at them in isolation and also take into account the constant holding of arms, suppressing of Peterson's heads and occasional leads with the elbows ... then i don't think Khan has any grounds for complaints.
He completely overlooked Peterson coming into the fight and there was more pre-fight talk about him moving up a weight and fighting the likes of Mayweather than there was about Peterson.
Fair play to Khan for fighting Peterson in his backyard but if he wants to be considered along with the elite of boxing than that shouldn't have proved much of an obstacle for him.
If Khan had fought the right fight - he would have won and during the first couple of rounds I thought that the fight would go as expected. Khan's speed just seemed to overwhelm Peterson. When i'd heard that Peterson had put on a stone between the weigh in and the fight there was always going to be a chance that it would backfire. The body has to adapt to taking on that much weight in short a space of time and could make you sluggish. But Peterson seemed to find his feet in the third round and the weight advantage ultimately paid off as although in terms of volume of punches landed Peterson wasn't going to overheat and blow the compubox system .... the punches he did land had a bit of venom in them and were crucially eye catching.
I was surprised how often and easily Khan was caught with the uppercut. If the rematch goes ahead you'd imagine that will be the first port of call that Roach will go to work on.
Credit to Khan for his punch resistance, he shipped some heavy hits and although he employed a few cute manoeuvres to try keep him out of danger during those moments that danger was approaching, I don't think he was ever going to get stopped.
Very interesting to see where he goes from here - does he still go ahead with the move to welterweight or not.
This was Khan's first fight back on sky and at one stage this year I thought Khan and Sky would never reforge a working relationship. Luckily for Khan, UK boxing coverage is as fragmented as the sanctioning bodies that govern it. If you want to follow boxing properly and fully - you'll need to have a sky sports subscription, a box nation subscription and pay for the primetime pay per view shows.
Therefore those three different groups are going to be vying for any high profile fight that comes there way - Khan's return to Sky has a lot to do with the emergence of box nation rather than Sky needing him. Now that he has lost on his return - it'll be interesting to see if that relationship is maintained, a lot of it will have to do with box nation's chances of success (that's a post for another day).
I'll finish with this - Khan once again showed himself to be a classless p***k in the aftermath of the fight - how he has ended up on the nominees for sports personality of the year is an absolute disgrace, i don't know what he has done to merit it. He's lucky that Peterson seems a lot more magnanimous in victory than Khan was when he defeated Paul McCloskey after a controversial techincal decision.
I feel sorry for Carl Froch who surely deserves to be the boxing representative on that list for SPOTY - unfortunately for Froch, Ward's injury mean't that the fight was moved from October to next weekend. If Froch had fought and won in October then he'd be on that list and a worthy presence on that list. He's never been molly coddled in his career, he's in a tough division and has never shied away from anyone ... also he seems to be a down to earth bloke.
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Kahn is such a d1ck. Blaming the ref and the fact that it was in DC. Can't face that he lost the fight fair and square. This is why he hasn't been the draw he could have been over the last while.
He took that defeat well, simply not as good as he think's he is.
How did he take the defeat well? He said it was like fighting two people in the ring and that he was the "clean fighter". Blamed Peterson for coming in with his head. Never once admitted that he was outfought.
I need to work on my sarcasm.
Sorry mate, was a little sleep deprived!!
Quote from: bridgegael on December 11, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
its funny watchin him and his crew callin for a rematch after the way they behaved after mccloskey fight.
theres always someone waiting in the long grass ;)
Just out of curiosity has anyone signed up for boxnation or would they be tempted to ?
I was away on a stag the weekend of the Cotto vs Margarito fight, otherwise I say I would have. But then as i missed that i've looked at the upcoming fights and there is nothing that is drawing me in to subscribe now. With the exception of Froch vs Ward fight (on sky) the next big bout I can think of is Martinez vs Macklin next March.
From what i've seen of it during the free period i think it's worth it at a tenner a month - always enjoy Steve Bunce's boxing shows.
I would have doubts about it's long term viability and this will really depend on the fights that it covers over the next two years.
Apparently they need 100,000 subscribers to get to the break even point. I think this could prove to be a tall order at the end of the day the channel isn't going to appeal to the casual boxing fan.
Even the readership of boxing news and boxing monthly combined doesn't total 100,00 so they have their work cut out trying to get to the 100,000 number in terms of subscribers.
Simon Green is the chief executive of the channel and he's the same guy behind the failed subscription service that was Setanta. You'd imagine he has learned a thing or two from that experience and i know that Frank Warren is the main shareholder in the whole thing and that will obviously help them get a few big fights next year but there's no way that Primetime, Sky and Boxnation can survive. Out of the three of them i wouldn't be surprised to see Primetime go.
Glad to see Khan lose at the weekend - I doubt many in the game would have much sympathy for him regarding his tactic as he has always gained illegal advantages through the use of his wings and scone as McCloskey and MAB to name but a few would agree. About time a referee made the right calls. Its his own fault to not have the guile to adapt and not make the same mistake a second time after being initially punished in the 7th, he should have known the level of strictness that the referee was at and not made the same mistake again. Still love the way he is harping on about fighting PBF, which by Khans timeframe will be when PBF is about 37 and more than likely on the slide. I have a sneaky suspicion that he will maybe change his stance on fighting Pacman too after his previous outing - in another year or two if Pacman is still fighting Khan will try and get him when he is on the wane too. On another note, I never noticed the size of Khans ears until the after fight press conference at the weekend, unbelievable lugs on the man.
Froch was scathing about Khan's trying to say "it was all the ref's fault" but now he is worried about the Ref in his bout against Ward.
So Khan was right?
Lads,
Off topic from the Khan fight but did anyone see 'The fight of their lives'. Was on ITV 4 last night, think it was a repeat.
Gerald McClellan should never have been in ring with that clown training him!
Was brutal fight too...some massive hits!
Ali v Frazer ESPN Classic at the moment
What is the story with Paul McCloskey these days? Seems like his promotions team can't attract the big names, which I'm not surprised that tbh.
Thought Khan won 7 rounds to 5, points deductions debatable but so was the knockdown. On the one hand delighted to see him badly exposed, on the other hand would have like to see PBF humiliate him and cut him to pieces. There is nothing particular fast or slick about Peterson yet he landed 39% of his punches. Either he timed him brilliantly or Khan's defence is jsut sh*t - I know which one I believe it is.
Anyone any links to the Froch fight??
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Anyone any links to the Froch fight??
Here ya go...one of the links should work
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98556/1/watch-wbc-&-wba-super-middleweight-titles-:-carl-froch-v-andre-ward.html
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Anyone any links to the Froch fight??
Here ya go...one of the links should work
http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98556/1/watch-wbc-&-wba-super-middleweight-titles-:-carl-froch-v-andre-ward.html
Good man
Expecting Ward to knock Froch out by end of 5th.
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Expecting Ward to knock Froch out by end of 5th.
Not the worst fight I have ever seen
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Expecting Ward to knock Froch out by end of 5th.
Not the worst fight I have ever seen
Ward was expected to out box him. Froch is getting desperate....throwing some very careless punches.
The biased commentary pisses me off so much.
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Expecting Ward to knock Froch out by end of 5th.
Not the worst fight I have ever seen
But jebus it was nowhere near the best either, bad year for the brits, ward will dominate that div for years now, its just he needs a worthy rival to make the big bucks
Just watched Frazier v Ali in Manila last night, and Foreman v Ali in Zaire. Fecking hell Boxing was great back then. Ali had some speed in his hands. Foreman was like a lad trying to swing from the arse and knock a wall, while Frazier was just walking forward, forward, forward. Fierce brave, but not the best plan :D
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Expecting Ward to knock Froch out by end of 5th.
Not the worst fight I have ever seen
But jebus it was nowhere near the best either, bad year for the brits, ward will dominate that div for years now, its just he needs a worthy rival to make the big bucks
Have to say out of all the British fighters knocking about world level at the moment Froch is the easiest to admire. A true warrior who makes the most of his talents and he wasn't afraid to admit he got beaten by the better fighter. Didn't make any excuses. As opposed to Amir Khan who has been on one long whinge fest every since the Petersen fight. His sour mug has been stinking up Sky's boxing coverage for the past week. Less said about Davie Haye the better.
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Expecting Ward to knock Froch out by end of 5th.
Not the worst fight I have ever seen
But jebus it was nowhere near the best either, bad year for the brits, ward will dominate that div for years now, its just he needs a worthy rival to make the big bucks
Have to say out of all the British fighters knocking about world level at the moment Froch is the easiest to admire. A true warrior who makes the most of his talents and he wasn't afraid to admit he got beaten by the better fighter. Didn't make any excuses. As opposed to Amir Khan who has been on one long whinge fest every since the Petersen fight. His sour mug has been stinking up Sky's boxing coverage for the past week. Less said about Davie Haye the better.
Couldn't agree more, could easily find yourself cheering for Froch but Khan is pain in the hole and not eve close to being as good as he thinks he is (mind you I did think he won the fight, but wasn't a clear cut robbery).
Mayweather sentenced to 90 days in jail. Starts on 6th January
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/7390913/Mayweather-sentenced-to-jail (http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/7390913/Mayweather-sentenced-to-jail)
No pacman fight in May 5th then.
I'm glad to see it Archie now the whole uncertainty about whether Mayweather would go to jail or not is gone and the proper negotations can begin. There is talk of a possible fight in June. I think a bit of incarceration will motivate the Mayweather camp to want the fight a bit more.
Makers of 24/7 are bound to be licking their lips makes for a fascinating pre-fight build up - congressman vs the jailbird.
galwaybayboy - would completely echo your post about carl froch. Still I was a bit disappointed by his showing against Ward. i think i read too much into both fighters bout against Kessler. On the one hand i thought Froch hadn't done himself justice against Kessler - the task was a difficult enough one at the outset with Froch having to travel to Kessler's backyard but that was compounded by the whole ash cloud flight debacle and i thought the whole uncertainty in the run up to the fight had fed through to his performance. Whereas with Ward i thought that his use of the head against Kessler had contributed to the comfortable nature of his victory and that he wouldn't get away with it against Froch. I was wrong. Ward is just a better, faster fighter and up there with the best counter punchers in the game. When he faces Bute I can only see one winner.
Haven't seen this posted anywhere...sad news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12135980
Things may turn out well for Amir.
Amir Khan has accused an unidentified man of "interfering" with officials and the judges' scorecards during his defeat by Lamont Peterson.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/16435696.stm
The Khan thing is a strange one. He's still a ball bag though. He dismissed McCloskey's call for a rematch straight away in another dubious fight and not wants justice in this one.
I see Mayweather has got his prison sentence delayed to start of June so he can fulfil his contract obligations of fighting on 5th May. Lets hope its Pacquiao.
Much as I do agree that Khan is a ball bag. That footage of the fella in the hat at ringside interfering with the judges does make the whole thing look very dodgy indeed. Also at one point as the fight is going on, none of the judges are actually looking at the action as this bloke is talking to them.
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Much as I do agree that Khan is a ball bag. That footage of the fella in the hat at ringside interfering with the judges does make the whole thing look very dodgy indeed. Also at one point as the fight is going on, none of the judges are actually looking at the action as this bloke is talking to them.
I know nothing about boxing but i was under the impression the reason they looked down was because there are tv monitors in front of them ?
Mayweather will be fighting Canelo Alvarez in June if reports are to believed. A 39-0 tough Mexican but still not the fight everyone wants to see!
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Much as I do agree that Khan is a ball bag. That footage of the fella in the hat at ringside interfering with the judges does make the whole thing look very dodgy indeed. Also at one point as the fight is going on, none of the judges are actually looking at the action as this bloke is talking to them.
I know nothing about boxing but i was under the impression the reason they looked down was because there are tv monitors in front of them ?
Fair enough, but if they watch the whole match on monitors, why do they need to be at ringside where there is the potential of interference.
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Haven't seen this posted anywhere...sad news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12135980
Only seeing this now. Sad news indeed.
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Haven't seen this posted anywhere...sad news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12135980
Only seeing this now. Sad news indeed.
Mason died months ago did he not?
Edit - 7 January 2011
About a year ago.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on January 07, 2012, 10:10:03 AM
Much as I do agree that Khan is a ball bag. That footage of the fella in the hat at ringside interfering with the judges does make the whole thing look very dodgy indeed. Also at one point as the fight is going on, none of the judges are actually looking at the action as this bloke is talking to them.
I know nothing about boxing but i was under the impression the reason they looked down was because there are tv monitors in front of them ?
Fair enough, but if they watch the whole match on monitors, why do they need to be at ringside where there is the potential of interference.
Id guess there could be greater levels of suspicion aroused if they watched and judged on a monitor in a room away from the ring. Not saying there are monitors there just that id always thought that. Anyone with greater boxing knowledge confirm ?
Most corrupt sport in the world ?.
The World Boxing Association has confirmed it has ordered a rematch between Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson.
Khan lost his WBA and IBF titles to Peterson in December and has questioned a number of aspects of the fight.
And WBA vice-president Gilberto Jesus Mendoza said: "I can confirm we have ordered a direct rematch."
Khan's promoter Richard Schaefer earlier revealed he had received a letter from the WBA notifying him of their decision.
Schaefer, chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, told ESPN: "I'm thrilled that he's getting [the rematch] and hope we can start the negotiations and get the fight done.
"Amir and Lamont are both terrific young men and athletes who fought their hearts out in Washington in December and I'm sure this decision will get applause by fight fans around the world.
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If the WBA are [offering a rematch] then the IBF should do it as well
Asif Vali
Amir Khan's business manager
"The rematch will be one of the most anticipated fights of 2012 because both guys are exciting, young and I think it's exactly the kind of fight people want to see."
Peterson could though relinquish the WBA title by opting not to have a rematch.
Khan alleges that WBA official Michael Welsh suffered interference at ringside during the fight from 'mystery man' Mustafa Ameen.
A hearing has been scheduled in Newark, New Jersey, on 18 January, but the IBF does not know if Welsh will attend.
Asif Vali, Khan's business manager, remains convinced that no matter who attends the hearing the IBF should also order a rematch.
"We're not saying something happened, we're not saying something didn't happen" said Vali.
"Mustafa Ameen will explain himself at the hearing and it will be interesting to hear what he says.
"Ultimately, one organisation [the WBA] have ordered a rematch because they feel some irregularities have happened on the evidence of what we've supplied them.
"If the WBA are [offering a rematch] then the IBF should do it as well."
Khan's camp launched the appeal with the IBF in December principally on the grounds of "miscalculation of the scoring" and "inappropriate conduct by officials".
Since then Khan has used his Twitter account and television interviews to allege interference with the scoring of the bout by Ameen.
After some initial confusion the IBF have confirmed that Ameen is neither employed by them nor an official but does participate in one of their "outreach" programmes.
They also admit they requested fight credentials for Ameen from the local boxing commission.
The IBF has also confirmed the identities of the panel that will hear the appeal to BBC Sport.
Jack Reiss of California, Sam Viruet of New York - who are both referees - and Glenn Feldman, a boxing judge from Connecticut, will conduct the hearing.
Feldman notably officiated in Khan's title fight against Paulie Malignaggi in New York's Madison Square Garden in May 2010 which Khan won after stopping his opponent in the 11th round.
The panel will have up to ten days to deliver judgement and, if they allow Peterson to keep the IBF belt, a rematch is less likely.
Khan's trainer, Freddie Roach, is on record as believing that the fight should be declared a no-contest and a rematch ordered.
Such a move would see Khan's world titles returned to him.
f**k I detest the way that wee w**k Khan conducts himself.
Could you like him if you rared him???
Is this Mayweather V Pacman fight going to happen or what?
Quote from: Onion Bag on January 13, 2012, 03:18:46 PM
Is this Mayweather V Pacman fight going to happen or what?
Looks like May in this 45k seater outdoor stadium that is being built now.
Paul McCloskey and Michael Katsidis in the Odyssey with a heavyweight prizefighter as the undercard!
March/April time.
http://www.irish-boxing.com/2012/01/prizefighter-in-belfast-as-undercard-to-dudey-katsidis/ (http://www.irish-boxing.com/2012/01/prizefighter-in-belfast-as-undercard-to-dudey-katsidis/)
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Is this Mayweather V Pacman fight going to happen or what?
Looks like May in this 45k seater outdoor stadium that is being built now.
i read that, but how many times have we heard that it is going ahead only for something to happnen,
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Is this Mayweather V Pacman fight going to happen or what?
Looks like May in this 45k seater outdoor stadium that is being built now.
i read that, but how many times have we heard that it is going ahead only for something to happnen,
It makes for bigger, better build up.
See Amir has another crack at it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/16450797.stm
The World Boxing Association has confirmed it has ordered a rematch between Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
See Amir has another crack at it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/16450797.stm
The World Boxing Association has confirmed it has ordered a rematch between Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson.
Hope Peterson beats the arrogant p***k!
ITV4 have a whole week dedicated to Muhammad Ali starting Tuesday for all boxing fans.
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Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
See Amir has another crack at it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/16450797.stm
The World Boxing Association has confirmed it has ordered a rematch between Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson.
Hope Peterson beats the arrogant p***k!
+1
ITV4 have a whole week dedicated to Muhammad Ali starting Tuesday for all boxing fans. (//http://)
Happy 70th birthday to the great man
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ITV4 have a whole week dedicated to Muhammad Ali starting Tuesday for all boxing fans. (//http://)
Happy 70th birthday to the great man
many happy returns to the great one! :)
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Quote from: Denn Forever on January 13, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
See Amir has another crack at it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/16450797.stm
The World Boxing Association has confirmed it has ordered a rematch between Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson.
Hope Peterson beats the arrogant p***k!
+1
See Golden Boy has cancelled the Khan appeal to the IBF. What does this mean for any rematch if only the WBA have accepted the appeal?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16605456.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/16605456.stm)
Thanks Orangemac / Declan for posting - have all the Ali shows sky plussed now :)
Fantastic news about the cuban boxers setting up shop in Belfast ahead of the 2012 Olympics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/london_2012/16595251.stm
In re to Khan and the whole appeal process / rematch saga - it's an absolute farce.
You can show footage of the mystery man (Mustafa Ameen) play some X files music and even get Mulder and Scully on the blower but the fact is he had fcuk all bearing on the outcome of that fight. He's an IBF official who was off duty on the night and watching a fight. But golden boy and Khan have been able to clutch at straws here and force a rematch.
As regards the bearing on the rematch - it means should there be a rematch (bear in mind Peterson can say no and relinquish his WBA belt) that it is up to Peterson whether he puts his IBF title on the line or not.
In regards the 50 50 split being offered by Khan's people that once again is a joke - only his people would have the audacity to try and call the shots as a loser. Peterson won the fight - it's up to him to offer Khan the split.
You think if Khan had been a man and given Paul McCloskey a deserved rematch that he would have got a 50 50 split ....
I think i need to go and have a post in that "What grinds my gears" thread !
I think its fair to say he's made an ass of himself again!
I hear Pacman V Mayweather will happen May 5???
Carl Frampton fighting tonight in London. I'm going for a 5th round stoppage
Had him down for a 6th round knockout MR .... no cigar !
Impressive enough performance - think Hughes was there for the taking from earlier on than the sixth and Frampton probably won't get a great deal of credit for the fight but you can only beat what is put in front of you at the end of the day.
Stylewise was a hard enough fight with Hughes having a far superior reach and his record would suggest he's durable enough.
Lot of hype from the media building up a potential fight between Frampton and Scott Quigg. Quigg boxing next weekend is no coincidence. Sky are praying a match is made this year and trying to do all they can to bring it about. Quigg is different class to anyone Frampton has fought but i'd be hopeful he would edge it. But Frampton seems a decent kid, got good ring entrance music and hopefully he will go far.
Aye decent fight but as you said should have put Hughes away earlier. Difficult fighting someone 7 inches taller than you but he managed a lot of head shots before finally landing the KO at the end.
He's a good kid and I hope he gets Quigg in the end. He'll probably have another fight before Quigg I'd imagine.
He really did only do half pace i thought, a flurry of punches every so often. More to come I hope.
See Angelo Dundee passed away today
Raging Pac couldnt get things sorted for the floyd fight. His camp running scared >:(
Floyd should beat cotto easily on points!!!
Kenny Egan 9-5 down to Joe Ward after the first round of the Amateur in the National -- on RTE2 now!
Ward is a machine, looks like a good medal hope
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 03, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
Kenny Egan 9-5 down to Joe Ward after the first round of the Amateur in the National -- on RTE2 now!
These London 2012 qualifiers?
Quote from: randomtask on February 03, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Ward is a machine, looks like a good medal hope
True, very decent boxer by the look of it, and a good win at 29 points to 10.
No Tony, Ward has the Qualifiers to come yet.
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Quote from: randomtask on February 03, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Ward is a machine, looks like a good medal hope
True, very decent boxer by the look of it, and a good win at 29 points to 10.
No Tony, Ward has the Qualifiers to come yet.
Any more updates on the other fights.
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Quote from: randomtask on February 03, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Ward is a machine, looks like a good medal hope
True, very decent boxer by the look of it, and a good win at 29 points to 10.
No Tony, Ward has the Qualifiers to come yet.
Any more updates on the other fights.
Full rundown http://www.iaba.ie/ (http://www.iaba.ie/)
Hopes of olympic medals will be raised now.
Quote from: orangeman on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 PM
Hopes of olympic medals will be raised now.
Do you not think the raise is justified? especially when we have an 18 year old lad hammering an Olympic silver medalist?
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Quote from: orangeman on February 03, 2012, 11:53:56 PM
Hopes of olympic medals will be raised now.
Do you not think the raise is justified? especially when we have an 18 year old lad hammering an Olympic silver medalist?
Very much justified. It just depends on how high the hopes are raised. Hopefully the boxers can do the job.
Quote from: randomtask on February 03, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Ward is a machine, looks like a good medal hope
Read that Ward is ranked number 3 in the word in the unofficial world amateur rankings about a month ago. In his weightclass.
Either way an absolute beast of a fighter considering he's only 18. Sky is the limit for him really if he keeps his head screwed on.
Cotto vrs FMW????? Theres a fight!
It now looks like Paul McCloskey's next fight will be against Curtis Woodhouse on the 18 of April. To say i'm disappointed is to put it very mildly.
I'd be surprised if many of you have heard of Curtis Woodhouse and if you have it will be for his football playing days, he played for Sheffield United and Hull.
I'd consider bringing Curtis Woodhouse as a sparring partner ahead of a proper fight but this simply can't be painted as anything except what it is ... a backward step.
I've said it time and again the next fight had to be in America. The St Paddys day bill featuring Macklin vs Martinez was tailor made for Dudey to be a part of. He would have got a decent opponent in Madison Square Garden without too much effort and the exposure the bill would have provided for his profile stateside would have been immeasurable.
The undercard will be a middleweight prizefighter contest featuring an all irish cast - Eamon O'kane will be a cut above anyone on show and should win the prizefighter contest.
As you would expect Hearn is going to make this out to be a great bill, offering value and entertainment for the fans. The reality is he will have difficulty selling this bill to the Belfast fight fans. I think I am going to give this one a miss.
Carl Framton was looking on that bill. Not happening now.
Yeah I had heard Frampton was going to be on that bill as well but now he's going to be part of the Kell Brook vs Matthew Hatton undercard on the same date. In Frampton's case I don't think that was a bad move as he's got a potential big fight at domestic level in Scott Quigg.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 14, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
Yeah I had heard Frampton was going to be on that bill as well but now he's going to be part of the Kell Brook vs Matthew Hatton undercard on the same date. In Frampton's case I don't think that was a bad move as he's got a potential big fight at domestic level in Scott Quigg.
Yes and this fight will happen, will shape up to be a cracker. Quigg is no mug and I hope Carl will be well prepared (I'm sure he will)
I'm glad to confirm that the proposed bout between Paul McCloskey and Curtis Woodhouse has fallen through.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 15, 2012, 08:58:26 PM
I'm glad to confirm that the proposed bout between Paul McCloskey and Curtis Woodhouse has fallen through.
Thats a real shame. Curtis Woodhouse is a top prospect with a devastating right hook. Paul McCloskey could have been a good stepping stone for him to the upper echelons
Well Whiskey,
How's the form ?
Didn't see you on Monday Night's episode ? hope you will still feature in the future episodes. You are the best thing about the show. Glad to hear Emma is keeping her job, absolute diamond of a girl.
Are you allowed to be alone with her when the cameras are off ?
Yeah, shame about Woody but life goes on.
Did anyone see Chisora taking a cheap shot and slapping Klitschko during a press conference earlier ?
Prior to that happening I would have gone for Klitschko to win by stoppage in the 8th. I'll now revise that and go for klitschko to win between rounds 2-4. Klitschko looked fairly pissed off, I don't think he'll waste anytime on going to work on Del Boy !
The Fabulous Four - cracking documentary about Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns available in full on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGKJfst9kL8
Is Klitschko v Chisora on telly anywhere?
Disgrace that Chisora is even getting a shot given he's lost 2 of his last 3 fights (and the one he won was against a no hoper).
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
Is Klitschko v Chisora on telly anywhere?
Disgrace that Chisora is even getting a shot given he's lost 2 of his last 3 fights (and the one he won was against a no hoper).
It's on a new boxing channel called Boxnation (456 on Sky) which is £10 a month in the uk (not sure how much it is in Ireland), or it is on their website for £15.
http://www.boxnation.tv/
You say it's a disgrace about Chisora but who else is out there to challenge the Klitschko's. He lost a 'hometown' decision for the European title in his last fight against Robert Helenius, thought of as a good challenger for the Klitschko's. He won that fight in many people's eyes and he will more than likely give more of an effort than Haye did, even if he loses.
Quote from: glens73 on February 18, 2012, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
Is Klitschko v Chisora on telly anywhere?
Disgrace that Chisora is even getting a shot given he's lost 2 of his last 3 fights (and the one he won was against a no hoper).
It's on a new boxing channel called Boxnation (456 on Sky) which is £10 a month in the uk (not sure how much it is in Ireland), or it is on their website for £15.
http://www.boxnation.tv/
You say it's a disgrace about Chisora but who else is out there to challenge the Klitschko's. He lost a 'hometown' decision for the European title in his last fight against Robert Helenius, thought of as a good challenger for the Klitschko's. He won that fight in many people's eyes and he will more than likely give more of an effort than Haye did, even if he loses.
how funny was he slapping Klitschko's face, think that has just sealed his faith. I do feel sorry for him now getting into the ring with that man after disrespecting him.
Quote from: glens73 on February 18, 2012, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
Is Klitschko v Chisora on telly anywhere?
Disgrace that Chisora is even getting a shot given he's lost 2 of his last 3 fights (and the one he won was against a no hoper).
It's on a new boxing channel called Boxnation (456 on Sky) which is £10 a month in the uk (not sure how much it is in Ireland), or it is on their website for £15.
http://www.boxnation.tv/
You say it's a disgrace about Chisora but who else is out there to challenge the Klitschko's. He lost a 'hometown' decision for the European title in his last fight against Robert Helenius, thought of as a good challenger for the Klitschko's. He won that fight in many people's eyes and he will more than likely give more of an effort than Haye did, even if he loses.
To be fair, Chisora probably should have got the decision against Helenius, but not being able to beat Fury would indicate he hasn't a snowball's chance in hell - you might have a punchers chance against Wlad but not Vitali.
Separately tonight, Gabriel Campillo is fighting Tavoris Cloud. Campillo has been on the wrong end of some dodgy decisions in the past and looks quite long at 15/2 to win on points (he is not much of a puncher). Cloud's three biggest wins have been against fighters some way past their prime. I'm tempted by 30-1 the draw as well if Campillo looks to be ahead, given he fighting an undefeated Yank in the US and he is not a name. Does anyone know at those odds do i get my money if it is a majority draw (odds with Paddypower)?
Yeah Cike you would get your money - it would still fall into the category of a draw.
Much in the same way that if you back a fighter to win by decision (most people in their minds equate that with a points decision with the fight going the distance) - you would also get your bet up if the fighter wins by technical decision (e.g. if the fight is stopped early due to a cut and it goes to the score cards).
In summing up Chisora's chances tonight i wouldn't give the Fury fight an awful lot of weight because i've never seen Chisora in worse condition than he worse that night. A fit chisora is without doubt a better fighter than Tyson Fury in my eyes.
While i don't think Chisora has much of a chance at all - i think he deserves his shot. He's had two previous bouts with Klitschko (both with Wladimir from what i remember) fall through on account of no fault of his own and he understandly became a bit disillusioned. In saying that, it doesn't excuse the shape he turned up to the Fury fight in.
As Glens has touched on, the Heavyweight division isn't exactly blessed with talent. Chisora deserves a shot. I think his best hope was that Klitschko went into the fight with a great deal of complacency and Chisora had an opportunity to catch him cold. I'd safely say that slim hope is up in smoke after that press conference yesterday. I don't know what Chisora was thinking, maybe he thought he was indulging in some clever mind games. Wladimir showed that he was by and large impervious to the old mind games during the Haye bout and I don't think Vitali would be too much different .... for chisora to even try what he did was foolish.
Brian Magee also fights tonight in a defence of his WBA interim title against Rudy Markussen. Magee has always come across as an honest and decent bloke and hopefully he'll do the business. I know next to nothing about Markussen but compairing their records and the quality of recent oppposition then Magee should win this fairly comfortably.
Not a paper that I would read too often but the Belfast Telegraph had a good interview last night with Pat Magee (Brian's manager) in which he basically says that the North needs another Barney eastwood to get boxing the boost that it needs and how it is very hard to make a living as a professional boxer these days unless you're a headliner and that in this day and age you're better off staying an amateur for as long as you can.
I still haven't taken the plunge and got boxnation - any of you guys got it ? Would you consider it worthwhile ?
I'm going to see if i can get a decent stream for the fight tonigh, will post it up here if i can. I see boxnation has got the rights to the mayweather vs Cotto fight in May, i think at that stage i might sign up for it but up until then Sky have most of the decent action. There is that much boxing action on St Paddy's day that it is also most tempting to stay sober for it ! Macklin vs Martinez from Madison Sq garden is the main feature but also earlier on in the day Kell Brook fights Matthew Hatton with Carl Frampton on the undercard. In addition to the St Paddy's day fights, Sky also have Devon alexander vs Marcos Maidana next week and Erik Morales vs Danny Garcia (March 24) as well as the other Klitschko brother who is facing arguably the best name on David Haye's win record in Jean Marc Mormeck on the first weekend in March.
Kid Galahad is facing Jason Booth on channel 5 tonight - this guy almost ended up fighting Big Bang Casey and if he had i would have fancied him and at the time he would have been a fairly big outsider. Galahad has been compared by many to Naseem Hamed mainly because he's Sheffield based and has the same trainer that Hamed did (Brendan Ingle). Booth is a well seasoned pro but i think he was close to hanging up the gloves during his last outing when he was completely dominated by Scott Quigg. I would question whether his heart is still in it at this stage and although on paper you would think with his ring experience he would be lasting the distance I can really see Kid Galahad winning by stoppage.
Finch's Findings:
Brian Magee with all his travelling experience will have no problems in getting the win in Copenhagen against Rudy Markussen - An absolute gift at Evens (Bet365, William Hill)
Kid Galahad to stop a Jason Booth who is already considering hanging up the gloves - definite value at 7/2 with Paddy Power
Vitali Kltischko to get his revenge in the ring and stop Del Boy Chisora between rounds 1-3 - has a puncher's chance at 5/1 with Paddy Power
Lads
Any links to the fight?
SF
http://www.venturetv.me/channel3.htm
Or link up to freefootball.org look for all sports. find a stream that suits
Boxnation Links:
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/108282/1/watch-boxing-:-brian-magee-vs-rudy-markussen.html
http://www.vipbox.tv/en/watch/34523/1/brian-magee-vs-rudy-markussen-live-stream-online.html
Chisora vs Klitschko due to kick off in about 45 minutes.
Looks like Vitali is getting his own back before the fight even begins - there was a bit of a hand wrapping controversy. Wladimir was Vitali's inspector and went into Chisora's dressing room and complained about the way his hands were being wrapped and caused a bit of a stir. Meanwhile there was no one available to do inspect Vitali's hand wrapping. Sounded a bit of a mess and it has delayed the fight.
Looks like the Magee fight is on after Klitschko, which is not what i was expecting.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
http://www.venturetv.me/channel3.htm
Or link up to freefootball.org look for all sports. find a stream that suits
Cheers.
What time is it suppose to start?
This is silly games with all the shite they do now. Dickheads
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because of the hand wraps check there is a 15 min delay------------> 10.15 start
Yeah, the amount of foreplay that goes on before fights is ridiculous. I've never seen worse than the Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko fight for f**king about.
Folks got a text suggesting that box nation have decided at the last minute to air the fight for free. Check it out - Sky channel 456.
Tyson Fury will strategically use this night of heavyweight boxing to announce that his next opponent will be one Martin Rogan.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 18, 2012, 09:47:02 PM
Yeah, the amount of foreplay that goes on before fights is ridiculous. I've never seen worse than the Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko fight for f**king about.
Folks got a text suggesting that box nation have decided at the last minute to air the fight for free. Check it out - Sky channel 456.
not sure if the build up is always free and it gets cut off pre fight but so far so good. Question is whether Vitali decides to carry him or not as I think if he goes after him he can definitely take him out early
It's on but will it stop beforehand?
She's great
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19600000/Christina-Perri-christina-perri-19616859-1200-1200.jpg)
channel 5 now lads
http://coolsportz.de/stream2.php always good for all live sport.
call the fire brigade
Boxnationtv have tweeted that the fight is free due to subscription issues.
Funny as FCUK!!
Did anyone see rogie there on channel 5 ... his fight against tyson fury has been confirmed for the odyssey for the 14th of April.
I predict Rogie pulls out with an injury in mid March.
Brian Magee wins with an impressive KO victory in Denmark.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 18, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
Boxnationtv have tweeted that the fight is free due to subscription issues.
i'm not used to streaming and wasn't expecting to see the fight so if this goes tits up, let me know which is the best website.
Chisora unfortunately just doesn't even have the punchers chance that many thought Haye had. Whilst I agree with Atticus that he clearly wasn't in the best of shape for Fury and was more than a little disillusioned and he put in a good performance against Helenius I'd be astonished if he gets close to winning a round...
Milltown, have to agree, that was quite something, quare pair of lungs.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 18, 2012, 10:10:14 PM
Brian Magee wins with an impressive KO victory in Denmark.
What round? Bookies thought it would go to points
5th Round.
Him winning was an absolute cert at evens.
http://www.boxingscene.com/brian-magee-knocks-rudy-markussen-out-five-rounds--49719
Great entrance music. Does he use that all the time?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 18, 2012, 10:14:56 PM
5th Round.
Him winning was an absolute cert at evens.
http://www.boxingscene.com/brian-magee-knocks-rudy-markussen-out-five-rounds--49719
Aye but when i went to back him it went out to 4/6!!!
Just pressed mute
its over now
The blade walking Booth down into the ring was DIRTY ;)
utd sc**bag.....R2 KO
dirty bas,tard
What a dirty trampy bastard. As if the Man United jersey isnt bad enough. Vlad should have hammered before the fight started.
Galahad should have been knocked out!!!
He's shown more enterprise in 1 round than haye did in 12.
Much as I don't like the plan, he obviously has one which involves throwing vitali off his game.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 18, 2012, 10:32:18 PM
He's shown more enterprise in 1 round than haye did in 12.
Much as I don't like the plan, he obviously has one which involves throwing vitali off his game.
You beat me to it, was just about to say he has been more aggressive in 2 rounds than we saw from Haye in 12
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2012, 10:32:01 PM
Galahad should have been knocked out!!!
I think he'll still win. He's quicker and landing cleaner.
Shaping up to be a decent enough fight.
I have Klitschko on the laptop and Galahad on tv, what combination have you boys got going on ?
'eye' man for klitcshko's must have one of handiest jobs in boxin
Quote from: Abble on February 18, 2012, 10:36:07 PM
'eye' man for klitcshko's must have one of handiest jobs in boxin
He cuts notoriously easy, so not as easy as you'd think!
Aye same for me. Chisora is solid enough, took some hits and looks grand
Boring stuff so far
Quote from: gallsman on February 18, 2012, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: Abble on February 18, 2012, 10:36:07 PM
'eye' man for klitcshko's must have one of handiest jobs in boxin
He cuts notoriously easy, so not as easy as you'd think!
Don't think that's true, don't recall him ever having real trouble with a cut apart the Lewis fight which to be fair was absolutely horrific. His skin certainly not like Ricky Hatton who seemed to cut ridiculously easily
If Chisora's chin gets in the way of one of these uppercuts he'll have the sleep of his life tonight although he's holding up well. Haye must feel wick watching this.
At least Chisora is having a go, coming forward and throwing a few punches. He does seem like a complete sc**bag through, that spitting water in Vladamir's face was a dirty act.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 18, 2012, 10:52:25 PM
At least Chisora is having a go, coming forward and throwing a few punches. He does seem like a complete sc**bag through, that spitting water in Vladamir's face was a dirty act.
Aye he's giving it a lash. Vitali is getting on so it will be interesting if it gets to the later rounds.
The other fight, Booth and Galahad is a cracker
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 18, 2012, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 18, 2012, 10:52:25 PM
At least Chisora is having a go, coming forward and throwing a few punches. He does seem like a complete sc**bag through, that spitting water in Vladamir's face was a dirty act.
Aye he's giving it a lash. Vitali is getting on so it will be interesting if it gets to the later rounds.
Definitely doing more than I expected and certainly true that there isn't a lot of weight (relatively speaking of course!) behind Klitschko's punches in the last two rounds.
Long time since VK been on the back foot so much, he's not dominating the middle of the ring at al the way I would have expected him to.
The heavyweight division really is in dire straights. Two big useless c***ts who just throw stupid big slaps. Fair enough if they connect they would do damage but it's pathetic boxing to watch. Mike Tyson or any other good heavyweight would have had either of these mugs for breakfast.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2012, 10:56:33 PM
The other fight, Booth and Galahad is a cracker
Cracking fight alright.
Quote from: screenmachine on February 18, 2012, 11:00:00 PM
The heavyweight division really is in dire straights. Two big useless c***ts who just throw stupid big slaps. Fair enough if they connect they would do damage but it's pathetic boxing to watch. Mike Tyson or any other good heavyweight would have had either of these mugs for breakfast.
VK hasn't looked good tonight but he would have been awkward for any heavyweight in history. Tyson was potentially fantastic but also fought in an era of relatively weak heavyweights. Bruno, Berbick, Ferguson, Withserpoon, Smith, Tubbs weren't world beaters while Lewis destroyed Ruddock in a way Tyson couldn't
Your point is valid though, just about any other weight division is more interesting.
I kept more of an eye on the channel 5 fight - great fight.
Super bantamweight has the prospect of some very decent match ups with Frampton, Quigg and Galahad in the division at domestic level and stepping up a level you've got Rigondeaux and Donaire.
just switched over to channel 5, where they seemed to suggest Kid Galahad had suffered knockdown to lose first round 10-8? Is that right? if so, how did one judge score it 120-109?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 18, 2012, 11:20:17 PM
I kept more of an eye on the channel 5 fight - great fight.
Super bantamweight has the prospect of some very decent match ups with Frampton, Quigg and Galahad in the division at domestic level and stepping up a level you've got Rigondeaux and Donaire.
Was really impressed with Galahad tonight, would certainly give my wee 'cousin in law' a good fight which could go either way based on that fight tonight. Booth was tired at the end but resilient throughout. These 3 would need to fight off before stepping up to those lads.
He wasn't knocked on to the canvas Cike so I don't know how they score that. was a cracking punch though
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2012, 11:26:17 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 18, 2012, 11:20:17 PM
I kept more of an eye on the channel 5 fight - great fight.
Super bantamweight has the prospect of some very decent match ups with Frampton, Quigg and Galahad in the division at domestic level and stepping up a level you've got Rigondeaux and Donaire.
Was really impressed with Galahad tonight, would certainly give my wee 'cousin in law' a good fight which could go either way based on that fight tonight. Booth was tired at the end but resilient throughout. These 3 would need to fight off before stepping up to those lads.
He wasn't knocked on to the canvas Cike so I don't know how they score that. was a cracking punch though
10-8 suggests he lost the round badly, they seemed sure it was a 10-8 yet 120-109 suggests he got at least a share of the round. Decision obviously not controversial but something not right with that scoring.
Booth caught him with a long swinging left, Galahad touched the canvas for a split second with his right but I felt he got something out of the round. Very impressive fighter, has some great combinations but as was said on the telly there, he does lack a bit of power. All credit to Brendan Ingle, he has great technique.
I hate Haye getting so much air time to say he knocks him out just because he is a Brit, he barely landed a punch all night against Wlad.
Bunce has shown himself to be classless there as well with his criticisms of Wlad. Haye isn't even necessarily the best ex cruiserweight in the division. If Haye merited a fight, no reason Mormeck should not have one. As Atticus say he is the biggest win on Haye's record and let's not forget Haye had to get off the canvas.
Haye is licking his lips as he has seen the fight and thinks VK looks done. If he was really looking for to put things right he should be calling out a rematch with Wlad, but haven't heard him making too many noises about that.
Showing highlights of Magee's fight on 456 after the break.
Quote from: Ulick on February 18, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
Booth caught him with a long swinging left, Galahad touched the canvas for a split second with his right but I felt he got something out of the round. Very impressive fighter, has some great combinations but as was said on the telly there, he does lack a bit of power. All credit to Brendan Ingle, he has great technique.
If he touched the canvas but you reckon won the rest of the round then can possibly be 9-9, but he can't get 10. Anyway, irrelevant in the scheme of things.
Balls to that, BOXNATION just gone down before the 5th in the Magee fight
It's just gone the 19th and looks like the 'free' day is over and we'll have to pay a tenner to watch >:( ... like i said earlier i don't think i'd be tempted to sign up until May time or until i see a list of quality fights coming up.
Hopefully Magee will get a shot at Kessler next which would obviously be a different prospect to markussen but would get Magee the biggest payday of his career. You could see it happening, that's twice Magee has gone over and won in Denmark. Kessler's fans would be wanting him to restore a bit of national pride.
On the scoring, i wasn't listening to the scorecards as it was clear which way it was going to go but if one judge scored it 120-109 then this is a bit of guess work but i would imagine he called the 1st round as 10-9 to Booth and gave Galahad a 10-8 round (Galahad didn't get a knockdown but there were a couple of rounds in which he was very dominant).
Each fighter will start off a round at 10, if a judge can't split the fighters during a round it will be a 10-10 round.
When a knockdown happens then that is automatically a 10-8 round and if the referee gives the count then it's a knockdown and the judge can't overrule that ... but if a fighter gets knocked down but dominates the rest of the round then that could be a 10-9 round as far as i know.
Seems to be the best fight if the night was haye v chisora at the press conference! Adam booth ended up with a cut head and chisora saying he is going to track haye down and shoot him haha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWQs8nMsZNg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWQs8nMsZNg)
I feel like Cinderella lads, once the clock struck 12 boxnation went down and the party stopped.
Not only did i miss the crucial bit of the Magee highlights but i missed the press conference.
Check out Gerry's link, unbelievable viewing.
I have to hand it to Klitschko's manager that was some opening soundbite:
Bernd Boente: "He (Chisora) showed heart, you showed your toe " ;D ;D ;D
Chisora's purse has taken a dent already with slapgate - now i'd say there will not be much left after he repeatedly threatened to shoot David Haye.
Booth then appears with a cut eye claiming that he was glassed. But if you watch the video closely at 2:56 i reckon david Haye is responsible for the cut on Booth's head by swinging a tripod.
You couldn't write this stuff.
Klitschko just sat back with a smile on his face enjoying his ringside seat of BRITS ABROAD :D
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 19, 2012, 12:07:06 AM
It's just gone the 19th and looks like the 'free' day is over and we'll have to pay a tenner to watch >:( ... like i said earlier i don't think i'd be tempted to sign up until May time or until i see a list of quality fights coming up.
Hopefully Magee will get a shot at Kessler next which would obviously be a different prospect to markussen but would get Magee the biggest payday of his career. You could see it happening, that's twice Magee has gone over and won in Denmark. Kessler's fans would be wanting him to restore a bit of national pride.
On the scoring, i wasn't listening to the scorecards as it was clear which way it was going to go but if one judge scored it 120-109 then this is a bit of guess work but i would imagine he called the 1st round as 10-9 to Booth and gave Galahad a 10-8 round (Galahad didn't get a knockdown but there were a couple of rounds in which he was very dominant).
Each fighter will start off a round at 10, if a judge can't split the fighters during a round it will be a 10-10 round.
When a knockdown happens then that is automatically a 10-8 round and if the referee gives the count then it's a knockdown and the judge can't overrule that ... but if a fighter gets knocked down but dominates the rest of the round then that could be a 10-9 round as far as i know.
Doesn't matter if Galahad won a round a 10-8, as soon as he has lost aroun 10-9, logically he can't score 120 as you can't get 11 points for a round.
Cloud beat Campillo by split decision, had him down twice in first round after which it sounds like Campillo dominated. Seems like he got robbed and so did I!
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 19, 2012, 08:30:59 AM
I feel like Cinderella lads, once the clock struck 12 boxnation went down and the party stopped.
Not only did i miss the crucial bit of the Magee highlights but i missed the press conference.
Check out Gerry's link, unbelievable viewing.
I have to hand it to Klitschko's manager that was some opening soundbite:
Bernd Boente: "He (Chisora) showed heart, you showed your toe " ;D ;D ;D
Chisora's purse has taken a dent already with slapgate - now i'd say there will not be much left after he repeatedly threatened to shoot David Haye.
Booth then appears with a cut eye claiming that he was glassed. But if you watch the video closely at 2:56 i reckon david Haye is responsible for the cut on Booth's head by swinging a tripod.
You couldn't write this stuff.
Klitschko just sat back with a smile on his face enjoying his ringside seat of BRITS ABROAD :D
That video is class, VK was pissing himself. Booth is a gobsite, what did Boente do to be the subject of his taunts? VK looked a bit bemused at that part. Whilst Haye clearly is a salesman and does this stuff to generate more money, doesn't stop him from being a complete tool. Chisora on the other hand clearly has a screw lose!
Quote from: CiKe on February 19, 2012, 08:45:32 AM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 19, 2012, 12:07:06 AM
It's just gone the 19th and looks like the 'free' day is over and we'll have to pay a tenner to watch >:( ... like i said earlier i don't think i'd be tempted to sign up until May time or until i see a list of quality fights coming up.
Hopefully Magee will get a shot at Kessler next which would obviously be a different prospect to markussen but would get Magee the biggest payday of his career. You could see it happening, that's twice Magee has gone over and won in Denmark. Kessler's fans would be wanting him to restore a bit of national pride.
On the scoring, i wasn't listening to the scorecards as it was clear which way it was going to go but if one judge scored it 120-109 then this is a bit of guess work but i would imagine he called the 1st round as 10-9 to Booth and gave Galahad a 10-8 round (Galahad didn't get a knockdown but there were a couple of rounds in which he was very dominant).
Each fighter will start off a round at 10, if a judge can't split the fighters during a round it will be a 10-10 round.
When a knockdown happens then that is automatically a 10-8 round and if the referee gives the count then it's a knockdown and the judge can't overrule that ... but if a fighter gets knocked down but dominates the rest of the round then that could be a 10-9 round as far as i know.
Doesn't matter if Galahad won a round a 10-8, as soon as he has lost aroun 10-9, logically he can't score 120 as you can't get 11 points for a round.
Cloud beat Campillo by split decision, had him down twice in first round after which it sounds like Campillo dominated. Seems like he got robbed and so did I!
You're right - i'm not sure what that judge was at tbh. If he had scored it that way the most Galahad could have got was 119.
That was a good shout on Campillo, unlucky.
I think Adam Booth must be feeling the biggest tool out of everybody this morning - if it's proven that it was David Haye swinging a tripod that cut him.
Haye and Chisora should be thrown out of boxing for good, they are a complete embarrassment to the great sport. Two complete scumbags who have very little ability and no class. Haye talks up his fights then barely throws a punch and Chisora just is a fourth rate heavyweight. Neither would be a loss to boxing.
Dromid to issue a statement at midday.
Quote from: ONeill on February 19, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
Dromid to issue a statement at midday.
;D No reports of any handbags used or testicles touched, so only a minor incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrNGUeW2i8&feature=related
Better footage of the actual punch from Haye. Best shot of the night.
Did he acually glass him or punch him the the bottle in his hand and it broke?
Either way 2 complete scumbags. BBC have a good picture of it ...
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58583000/jpg/_58583470_dereck_chisora_david_haye_reuters2.jpg)
Quote from: screenexile on February 19, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
Did he acually glass him or punch him the the bottle in his hand and it broke?
Either way 2 complete scumbags. BBC have a good picture of it ...
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58583000/jpg/_58583470_dereck_chisora_david_haye_reuters2.jpg)
Well if there is a punch up at the Gaa games today, BBC will have more coverage of it ;D
Those guys should be locked up. All of them.
Two scumbags. Kick them out for good, they are both shite as well.
let's set the scene here.
david haye gatecrashes a press conference that he has nothing to with and starts mouthing off.
then he proceeds to glass/ punch chisora and in the following scuffle his manager gets cut/ glassed too.
at the end he then tells klitscko that he is a great champion but HIS manager is a disgrace.
I GIVE UP!
a great day for boxing, i had to wait on the brawl report to finish before i learned what happened in the actual fight.
What fighter of any substance has haye really beat? he can stand about all day and shoot his mouth off; but in the cold light of day you have to wonder who the real winner here is? and that can only be frank warren who will be rubbing his hands
Pretty clear from that Haye hit his manager Booth with the camera tripod. Haye seems to be 100% mouth, i dont know how he can stand there mouthing when he had his chance last year and failed miserably. I suppose he is trying to talk himself into another multi million payday and doesn't care if he wins or not.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 19, 2012, 01:55:01 PM
let's set the scene here.
david haye gatecrashes a press conference that he has nothing to with and starts mouthing off.
then he proceeds to glass/ punch chisora and in the following scuffle his manager gets cut/ glassed too.
at the end he then tells klitscko that he is a great champion but HIS manager is a disgrace.
I GIVE UP!
a great day for boxing, i had to wait on the brawl report to finish before i learned what happened in the actual fight.
Warren made the point that Haye should have been nowhere near the press conference .... I found that a bit rich coming from Warren.
The whole reason that Haye was out in Germany was to provide commentary on the fight for Box Nation and who is the main driving force behind Box Nation ? Yes that is right, one Frank Warren. I'm pretty sure Warren would have known about Haye working for his channel and after that it was on the cards that Haye was going to show up at the press conference.
ach, there will be a load of outrage for a while then they'll sit down and make a packet out of Haye v Chisora. Providing Derek doesnt literally 'burn' or 'shoot' him in the run up.
Thought Chisora put up a very good show against Vitali, which has kinda got lost in all this.
Think Vitali looked a tired man at the end and should be thinking about retirement, all these fights are a bit of a lose-lose for his prestige anyway. Given his ambitions outside boxing he also has double the pressure to maintain his health
Magee fight on Boxnation for free now.
I saw that weigh in on Friday and then Chisora talking to the media after. I would put money on it that thon f**ker was wiped off his face on something. Anyhoo, good promotion for a fight between Chisora and Haye with their scrap. A pair of typical arrogant, english arseholes
As for the actual fight last night, it`s obvious Vitali only has one, maybe two more fights left in him. Chisora did quite well, a lot better than expected. However, it again shows how poor the heavyweight division is these days
Froch admits prolonging a fight so his family and mates could get a bet up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17088977
He's probably lucky this is coming out now when Chisora and Haye are still stealing the headlines.
Chat of life bans for Chisora and Haye, I can't see that happening.
Quote from: ONeill on February 19, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
Dromid to issue a statement at midday.
Actually thought HAye was from Dromid. He was very quick to the cameras.
Hard to take professional boxing seriously at all these days. Especially the heavy weights. Its as comical as WWE now and I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome was pre-determined either.
All the nonsense at weigh-ins and press conferences is what you would expect from a crap Rocky movie or wrestling.
Crap and Rocky don't go together...... :o
Rocky V and the latest one. Crap and Crap.
Rocky V?!?!?!! Are you nuts?? The fight scene?
Yo Tommy you knocked him down, why don't you try knocking me down?
TOMMY GUNN ONLY FIGHTS IN THE RING
My rings outside
May 5th - Paul McCloskey vs Julio Diaz , Kings Hall
Undercard will feature an Irish Middleweight Prizefighter - Anthony Fitzgerald, Eamonn O'Kane, Joe Rea, Mark Hefferon and Darren Cruise are all confirmed to fight.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 23, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
May 5th - Paul McCloskey vs Julio Diaz , Kings Hall
Undercard will feature an Irish Middleweight Prizefighter - Anthony Fitzgerald, Eamonn O'Kane, Joe Rea, Mark Hefferon and Darren Cruise are all confirmed to fight.
Atticus what do you know about Julio Diaz? What sort of challenge will he bring?
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 24, 2012, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 23, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
May 5th - Paul McCloskey vs Julio Diaz , Kings Hall
Undercard will feature an Irish Middleweight Prizefighter - Anthony Fitzgerald, Eamonn O'Kane, Joe Rea, Mark Hefferon and Darren Cruise are all confirmed to fight.
Atticus what do you know about Julio Diaz? What sort of challenge will he bring?
Wouldn't know a great deal about Julio Diaz.
But he's mixed it at world level and he's a former world title holder (IBF).He's got some decent names on his record. News of this fight will hopefully register to some extent on the other side of the pond, something a bout with Curtis Woodhouse was not going to do. The only fight i think i've watched of Diaz's was when he fought against Juan Diaz.
Just went to youtube to try get some footage of his last fight with kendall Holt. All I could get was the third and final round:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbD9kr3wPCg
Holding my hands up to not having a great knowledge of him but I would say his strengths are his movement and in particular his ability to land combinations.
I'd be fairly confident of a comfortable win for McCloskey as from what i've seen of Diaz his defence is far from water tight - i think McCloskey should be able to tag him without any great difficulty.
In addition to that when you bring into the equation one of McCloskey's greatest strengths, his elusiveness, then if things go to plan then Diaz wouldn't be able to establish any rhythm or be allowed that window of opportunity to land combinations.
Also looking at Diaz's record he hasn't fought outside the States before. I don't think he'll find travelling to Belfast easy, especially as he will have almost a year of inactivity by the time he steps into the ring on the 5th of May.
I would predict a comfortable points decision for McCloskey and wouldn't rule out a late stoppage between rounds 10-12.
how many fights do you think paul will have this year atticus? assuming he wins in may, he would be lookin one in october?? i would think he needs two fights before a title fight, so you would be talkin nxt year before that happens.
I think Paul will have one more fight this year in October / November but I wouldn't agree that he needs another two fights before he's given a title shot. I would like to think that fight in October/November would be a title fight.
Paul's fight against Bredis Prescott was a WBA title eliminator so the expectation was that his next fight would be a world title fight.
A lot of eyes will be on a fight that takes place a fortnight after Paul's next fight, Amir Khan vs Lamont Peterson.
This time round I believe Khan will win and then he is likely to move up a weight leaving the WBA and IBF title vacant.
Paul should be in with a shout of fighting for that vacant WBA title having won an eliminator. As regards to who is opponent will be, I would imagine Marcos Maidana's name will be in the hat. I'm just after watching Maidana's fight with Devon Alexander (took place in the early hours this morning) and Alexander by and large dominated the fight over ten rounds (it was a non-title fight). It should be noted that the fight was fought at welterweight and the step up in weight did not suit Maidana who didn't carry the same clout at the weight.
Taking into account the weight factor, looking at Maidana's performance I would still be hopeful for Paul's chances should a fight between them materialise. I've said it on a few occasions before but as much as I admire Maidana's power and his ability to cut off the ring, i still think he's a fairly one dimensional fighter. You know what you are going to get with him. I think he'll find it very hard to land when fighting McCloskey and although his power will once again be evident when he fights again at Light Welterweight I still think that Paul has the requisite chin to withstand and absorb any of Maidana's shots that do land.
This is all very much down the line and McCloskey has to get past Julio Diaz first, a challenge i don't think he will be taking lightly.
Devon Alexander was quite impressive last night and looked a lot more comfortable at welterweight than he has done in his previous two fights. On the undercard of that fight was Mayweather wannabe, Adrien Broner. Like Mayweather he seems to take delight in acting the pr!ck (perhaps thinking this will get him more attention and fans or maybe he's just a pr!ck !). But he does seem to have the talent to back up his mouth. I think he's expected to make the step up to lightweight at some stage as there doesn't look much in the way of challenges at super featherweight. Lightweight (Ricky Burn's division) has a lot of decent fighters at the minute but by the looks of it Broner would be up there with the best of them.
Not much in the way of any great boxing action until St Paddys day. Looking ahead to next weekend while i have no doubt that Wladimir Klitschko will win his fight against Jean Marc Mormeck, I think the likelihood is that it will go the distance and there is a lot of value to be had in the prospect of that. Paddy Power go 4/1 that the fight will go the distance and Sky Bet/Ladbrokes both offer 9/2 that Klitschko will win by decision.
Atticus, do you know how Frankie Gavin got on last night?
I didn't watch it Ziggy but he knocked out Kevin McIntyre in the third round.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 20, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Froch admits prolonging a fight so his family and mates could get a bet up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17088977
He's probably lucky this is coming out now when Chisora and Haye are still stealing the headlines.
Chat of life bans for Chisora and Haye, I can't see that happening.
He'd be looking at a ban for a number of years were that in horse racing.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 26, 2012, 12:50:42 PM
I didn't watch it Ziggy but he knocked out Kevin McIntyre in the third round.
Cheers for that Atticus, I think he has the wherewithall to be a "good un". I would know his mothers family very well & if ever "good people" needed a lift it's them.
Was watching a fight last night on Sky Sports after coming in from the pub. A guy by the name of Adrian Broner was fighting against some other hoor. Was very impressed by Broner. Could be the next big thing in the boxing. 4th round KO and tbh the other fighter didn`t get anywhere near him. A kind of Mayweather type fighter, very impressive
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 26, 2012, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 20, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Froch admits prolonging a fight so his family and mates could get a bet up:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17088977
He's probably lucky this is coming out now when Chisora and Haye are still stealing the headlines.
Chat of life bans for Chisora and Haye, I can't see that happening.
He'd be looking at a ban for a number of years were that in horse racing.
TAM - with Cheltenham just around the corner you are probably dreaming about horse racing ! I say i might bump into a few of you Armagh hallions next monday night at the Europa for the preview night. Are you going ?
But in regards to your point it is very hard to compare the two sports in this regard.
The fact is, in boxing it is acceptable to have "breather rounds" or even to play possum in a bid to get the other fighter to appear out of his shell or use up energy, most famously exemplified by Ali's "Rope a dope" tactics against Foreman. What matters is what a fighter does over the course of the whole fight rather than in each of the individual rounds whereas in horse racing it is paramount to be trying ALL of the time. Horse Racing is about getting over the line in the quickest amount of time whereas in boxing it is the style in which you cross the line that matters because what happens in the eyes of the judges is key unless you have the luxury of taking it out of the judges' hands by stopping the other fighter.
Now i don't want to come across that I am condoning what Froch did, i'm not at all, it was clearly wrong. The image of boxing around the globe has taken a bit of a battering recently and what he did certainly doesn't help matters. But taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture, i'm against non-competitive fights where one fighter has the ability to pick and choose what round he stops the fight in from taking place at all in the first place.
I think at worst Froch is going to get away with a slap on the wrists here partly because the BBBoC (British Boxing Board of Control) is already tied up with the Haye and Chisora incident to have the time to deal properly with Froch but also because there is a precedent in the form of David Haye's fight with Audley Harrison.
In that fight, David Haye told a lot of people that he would stop Audley Harrison in the third round and apparently told a lot of people judging by betting patterns. Looking at that fight it was apparent that Haye only really started trying in the third round, does anyone doubt that Haye could have stopped that fight in the first round if he wanted to ?
It went before the BBBoC and it was clear they did not want to deal with it they fumbled about and gave Haye a minor slap on the wrist so that he would be mindful of his future conduct but by and large absolving him of any wrong doing. In relation to the first two rounds in which Haye clearly wasn't trying the secretary of the board had this to say:
"'It's a bit like a football match. I was at Cardiff City v Swansea last week and they were (both) petrified of losing. It was a poor game. And I think in the fight David was wary of walking straight in on a big man like that, and Audley was wary of getting hit by a smaller bloke "
I know, absolute joke - whole article on the issue (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1329792/David-Haye-insists-bet-placed-Audley-Harrison-round-knockout.html). That fight also brought up another issue which was far more prevalent in the past, i.e. Harrison's performance was so bad a lot of people were questioning whether he threw the fight.
I would like the BBBoC to not dust the Froch incident under the carpet but i expect they will just because it is very hard to adjudicate on. Since the beginning of boxing fighters have made predictions in what round they would stop fighters and it has been acceptable as it hyped up the fight.
Because at the end of the day this issue is only coming to light because Froch went public about it, would any one have been able to detect him prolonging the fight if he had kept his mouth shut ? If he had kept his mouth shut would it have made him any less guilty ?
In my eyes it is a very hard issue for the board to provide clarity on. Froch will get a slap on the wrists and be warned about his future conduct. The wider boxing world will take note and fighters are highly unlikely to be coming out with such public statements in future.
Unfortunately, just because those statements won't be going public in future doesn't mean that fights won't be prolonged in an attempt to make family and mates a few pound .....
Chisora has received an indefinite ban from the WBC. They took this course of action without any type of hearing which would be in keeping with the undemocratic nature of the WBC.
In effect it means that Chisora can't fight for a WBC title. With WBC being one of the big four sanctioning bodies, it will without doubt have a big impact on Chisora's career if it is not lifted but the more crucial decision for Chisora will come on the 14th of March when he goes before the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC).
There was chat of a ban for life, I can't see that happening but after listening to an interview with Robert Smith, general secretary of the board i'm under no doubt that they will deal with Chisora strongly. I could envisage a ban of one or two years from boxing.
Chisora might then try do a 'Danny Williams' and get a licence in another country like Lithuania but most other countries are likely to support the decision of the board and Chisora would be prevented from fighting in big fights.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 29, 2012, 10:52:43 AM
Chisora has received an indefinite ban from the WBC. They took this course of action without any type of hearing which would be in keeping with the undemocratic nature of the WBC.
In effect it means that Chisora can't fight for a WBC title. With WBC being one of the big four sanctioning bodies, it will without doubt have a big impact on Chisora's career if it is not lifted but the more crucial decision for Chisora will come on the 14th of March when he goes before the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC).
There was chat of a ban for life, I can't see that happening but after listening to an interview with Robert Smith, general secretary of the board i'm under no doubt that they will deal with Chisora strongly. I could envisage a ban of one or two years from boxing.
Chisora might then try do a 'Danny Williams' and get a licence in another country like Lithuania but most other countries are likely to support the decision of the board and Chisora would be prevented from fighting in big fights.
He's probably banned "indefinately" so that when a big fight v David Haye comes along which will probably make a lot of people a lot of money, this ban will be lifted.
Got to post this before I head for hq. Good luck to local lad Matthew Macklin in Madison Square Garden tonight. he's got plenty of support from Birmingham & Roscommon. Any of you boxing heads reckon he's worth having a few pound on.
In your opinion's whos most likely Irish boxer to be next world champion?
Paul McCloskey? Eamonn O'Kane? Carl Frampton?
Two Matthews are headling bills tonight because they effectively gained victory in defeat.
The boxers I am talking about are Matthew Macklin and Matthew Hatton.
I'll start with the former first, in his fight against Felix Sturm, Macklin caught the attention of the boxing world with a gutsy display. While he didn't win that fight, many would argue he was the victim of a hometown decision. His display caught the attention of Lou Di Bella as in Macklin he saw a crowd pleaser who if put on an American stage would prove to be a very big draw. It is a clever bit of work by Di Bella, tonight's show in Madison Square Garden is sold out and has definitely caught the attention of the American media.
Macklin faces the toughest fight of his career as he faces Sergio Martinez, the numero uno in the middleweight division. I have no doubt that Macklin has learned a lot from the Sturm fight. Macklin ran out of gas down the home straight and that cost him victory in my eyes. I think he'll pace himself a lot better tonight and you will see more of a boxing display which will help him conserve the energy throughout the 12 rounds. Against Sturm he was all about the big shots, the hooks .... if he employs those same type of shots against Martinez he will be in trouble as not only are they energy sapping but Martinez is a superb counter puncher and will make hay should Macklin steam roll into the fight with a knockout attempt. It's St Paddys day and the atmosphere in Madison Square tonight will be absolutely electric. My head and my heart are still having a row about who is going to come out on top in this one. It is very hard to look past a Martinez victory but he is 37 and if Macklin is going to beat him there is no better night .... I'm going to put a small bet on Macklin to win - you can get 6/1 and even 7/1 in some places and that is value, he shouldn't be any more than 7/2.
Matthew Hatton is appearing on a different bill tonight in Sheffield, he also has a huge task in front of him as he faces Kell Brook who is a class act. In his fight with Saul Alvarez, Hatton really impressed me, he was beaten and comfortably beaten but he was giving away a lot of weight on the night and even going the distance with Alvarez was a significant achievement. Alvarez's performances since that fight would give Hatton a belief that he can mix it with the best. From what i've seen of Brook he is very impressive and he comes from a gym that is very much in form. The fight is in his home town and I can't see anything else other than a Kell Brook victory. But Hatton has heart and chin and i think he'll last the distance and inflict a bit of damage on Brook along the way. This might catch the eye of a judge. I can't help but think that a majority decision for Brook is a realistic possibility and that is a huge price at 25/1 with Ladbrokes so i've had a small punt on that.
Carl Frampton is fighting at the minute against Prosper Ankrah he will win - the fight in my opinion is mainly about exposure it is aimed at showing a bit more of him to the UK audience as bigger fights wait ahead for the super bantamweight Belfast fighter in the form of Kiko Martinez and Scott Quigg.
I don't know if i like all this boxing on St Paddys night ... it means staying relatively sober so that i am not KO'd by the time the Macklin fight comes on !!
Anyone around for the Macklin fight?
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/113885/2/watch-hbo-boxing:-sergio-martinez-vs-matthew-macklin.html
Not the best quality in the world, if anyone has anything better please let me know.
Brook was just too good for Hatton earlier, I thought Hatton was done in the 5th round ... he showed a great deal of resilience lasting the distance. Hatton landed in bursts but nowhere near frequent enough to make the fight a close contest.
Missed the Hatton fight - didn't expect much from him against the class of Brook.
That Rodriguez lad looked decent? I'll be honest, that was the first I heard of him. Only 26 and now has a record of 21-0.
That atmosphere looks unreal, would love to be there. I didn't really watch the Rodriguez fight. Might watch it tomorrow - he's in one of the toughest weight classes in boxing. Strugging to stay awake here been a long day - hopefully once it kicks off that won't be a problem.
Why is that clueless w**ker Khan commentating ..... i might put this on mute
He did give Macklin a chance though!
Atmoshpere unreal!
Good opening round from Macklin - definitely starting a lot more cautious than he did against Sturm ... wasn't a lot in that round at all
I give the first two to Martinez. I'd probably call the third a draw but Macklin might have shaded it.
Second definitely Martinez .. didn't think there was an awful lot in the first but would give Martinez the benefit of the doubt. Third i think Macklin did enough. Macklin starting to find a bit of rhythm
Great round.
I have it Mart, Mart, Draw, Draw, Macklin
Go on Macklin !
I have Martinez a round ahead with 2 to go. Come on Mack!!
Edit - forgot it was 12 rounds!
Great show from Macklin, showed great courage and really gave Martinez a run for his money. Martinez is just a class above. Well done to Macklin. Right decision from him / his corner not to come back out.
Ha, thought my stream was well behind. Back at the folk's place here and no sky and left my laptop which had Sky go on it.
Brave performance from Macklin but unfortunately he once again ran out of steam again in the later stages. Martinez left counter won him the fight.
Where do you think his career goes from here Finch? Can he keep going giving these guys good fights?
I can see him getting a rematch with Sturm and it taking place outside of Germany.
There are a lot of options for him closer to home. Him and Darren Barker have been scheduled to fight on a few occasions but it has fallen through for one reason or another. Would love to see who would come out on top between him and Andy Lee.
"Martinez was leading by one point on two cards and behind by three points on the third card entering the eleventh round." according to fightnews.com.
Lot closer than many thought on the scorecards. I think most had Martinez 3+ points up after the 2 knockdowns in round 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmTR3nPfOHM
Watch the above youtube clip and then read the below news article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2118654/Scott-Harrison-arrested-alleged-theft.html
When i look at Scott Harrison's career post- 2006 I am reminded of the love life of one of the posters on the Derry thread.
The poster in question tackled this girl once upon a time and he declared the first time would be the last time but there have been many "last times" since then. The poster could be on a night out in Belfast and she could be on a night out in Mozambique but by some strange supernatural magnetic force of nature they would wake up beside each other the next morning.
And in the same way I've lost count of the amount of times Scott Harrison has "gone clean" and is a "new man". But it had been so long since his name had been on the front pages (rather than the back pages) of a paper, that when i watched the ringside episode above i was almost tempted to believe him. However, yet again 9 days before a fight he goes and does what he does best ... blow it. He was never going to return to being a world champion of any description but if he had kept his head down he might have just got a few decent lays .... sorry i mean't pay days ... was thinking of the antics of that derry poster again !
I can't help but feel a bit sorry for Scott Harrison but even sadder than that still is the case of darren Sutherland and the inquest into his death which returned its verdict this week.
The coroner returned an open verdict - meaning he was unable to determine the exact cause of Sutherland's death. It had appeared to be a clear cut case of suicide and it still likely does but third party involvement couldn't be categorically ruled out.
A lot of fingers have been pointed at Frank Maloney during the inquest and the role he played in Sutherland's death or suicide. It seems that Sutherland wanted to quit boxing but felt trapped due to the amount of money he would owe Maloney, with whom Sutherland had signed a contract with when he had gone pro. The inquest has taken its toll on Maloney and as a result he is quitting the sport. Although not anytime soon, he is waiting until he no longer has any commitments which according to this article is 2015. (http://www.boxingscene.com/frank-maloney-eyes-retirement-28-year-boxing-run--50805)
By reading the following article you can understand why sutherland would have felt trapped - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113868/Olympic-medalist-boxer-hanged-losing-confidence-turning-professional.html
I mentioned a while back on here, an interview that Pat Magee did with the Belfast telegraph, in which he clearly outlined how difficult it is to make it as a professional boxer at the minute and that fighters should stay amateur as long as they can until they have that platform behind them that will enable them to make the step into the professional world.
If one good thing comes from this tragic case it will be that support mechanisms are put in place for fighters that are trying to make that transition from amateur to the world of professional boxing which undoubtedly can be a tough and lonely world.
Erik Morales loses his WBC light welterweight belt before a punch is even thrown in his fight with Danny Garcia that takes place in the early hours of this morning.
Morales was stripped of his belt earlier today because he didn't make weight at 140 pounds. Not only did he not make it but he refused to even try and shed the weight opting to just sit there and drink water.
The fight is still going ahead but Morales is losing his belt and his purse is also taking a small hit. He is 2 pound overweight but that is a significant enough gap. The title is only on the line for Garcia, if he wins, he gets the title. If Garcia loses, then Morales won't get the belt back, the tile would just be vacant.
Morales defended his stance:
"I was in a position to save the fight or the belt but it's more important to save the fight," Morales said in his defense. "If I tried to make the weight by taking off those two pounds it would have really affected me in the fight. It wasn't worth the sacrifice at this point for the last couple of pounds. It would hurt me. No point."
Morales is a boxing legend and will one day deservedly be inducted into the boxing hall of fame.
But i think he's missing the major point here, he feels he is justified in not even trying to shed the additional weight as by doing so he is 'saving the fight'. But if a fight isn't fought on a level playing field, is it worth saving ?
If Morales is struggling to make weight I would imagine it won't be too long until he hear father time calling him to hang up the gloves. He is 35 and while some may compare that to say sergio martinez for example who is 37 and feel it is not significant ... In Morales case it is due to the amount of absolute wars he has been in rather than his age.
The guy Morales is fighting is danny garcia - his name might be not known to many but he is quite a heavy favourite tonight.
These guys are the same division as Paul McCloskey so i take quite a big interest in this fight.
I was hopeful rather than expecting an upset last weekend with Matthew macklin's fight against sergio martinez as thought Macklin was value and the manner in which he performed would suggest that he should never have been 7/1. He learned from the Sturm fight and knew he would have to box martinez, once again however he didn't have the stamina. His good movement that he displayed in the earlier rounds dried up in the later rounds and having watched the fight again his knockdown that he inflicted on martinez was maybe counterproductive as it got martinez a tad angry and out of his shell a bit.
But with tonight's fight I think the likelihood of an upset is quite high. And the reason being ...
While I haven't seen an awful lot of Garcia, saw a few of his fights, in his fight with Ashley Theophane i think it showed that he really isn't anything special.
This is a 12 round fight and even taking into account age I think Morales has the better stamina, the better technique, he has been there and done that ... time and time again.
Garcia has a couple of decent names on his record (Holt, Theophane and Campbell) but nothing extraordinary. He has power but arguably not to the same extent as Maidana who Morales put in a tremendous showing against and he only had one eye for most of the fight.
Morales is comfortable with the weight, so comfortable that he didn't want to shed any more !
I don't agree with morales not trying to shed the weight but i think he knows what he is doing and knows that the extra bit of weight will be beneficial to him.
Finch's Finding:
Morales to say no to father time and roll back the years and beat an over rated / over hyped danny Garcia, albeit on an unlevel playing field (Morales has the benefit of a couple of extra pounds) - 3/1 with Stan James.
Tempted to double that with Vernon Paris to beat Zab Judah.
Next time i say anything ... do the opposite !
Morales got fairly beat last night - he opened up well enough and made the bout very competitive but overall i was disappointed with his performance to the extent i wouldn't be surprised if he hung up the gloves.
Morales had gall bladder surgery in December and maybe that was a factor i overlooked but still felt that if the fighter who fought against Maidana turned up last night he would have won.
i had it level after the tenth - and then in the 11th Garcia sent Morales to the canvas after an exchange of punches where Morales was doing the more damage. Garcia also clearly took the 12th.
the judges scored the fight as 118-111, 117-110 and 116-112 .... I don't know what fight the first two were watching.
Also last night Zab Judah stopped vernon paris in the 9th round ..... I think i should hang up the keyboard and stop posting here ;D
RIP Bert Sugar.
Bert Sugar's contribution to boxing can not be exaggerated.
He is testament to the reason why you need an "Observer" category in the Boxing Hall of fame which serves to recognise the contribution of journalists, writers, historians, photographers and artists.
At a time when boxing is suffering through big fights not being made, through fragmented tv coverage and most damaging, through the fragmentation caused by the proliferation of sanctioning bodies with their meaningless titles, the colour that Bert Sugar injected into the world of boxing will be sorely missed.
He said this was one of the best fights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NN0vGHnCLo&feature=related
Boxing was fairly savage then. When you were on the way back up from a knock down you got another whack on the snout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3BTycNuY44&feature=related
Cheers for posting that O'Neill
Looks like Sugar's type of fight alright, full of action. Contrast that fight with modern heavyweight fights and you can see why he hates the Klitschko's. Came across the below on youtube, he just had a way with words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qxx60wk_JWU#!
"They weren't even household names in their own household" ;D
Another thing about Sugar is that he always would throw in a word that you hadn't heard of, and you had that feeling of being educated just by listening / reading his words.
Anyone know what word he is using at 3:14 in the above youtube link to describe Bernard Hopkins ? It's an adjective describing the longevity of fighters like Archie Moore and george Foreman but i can't quite catch it.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on March 27, 2012, 11:41:41 PM
Anyone know what word he is using at 3:14 in the above youtube link to describe Bernard Hopkins ? It's an adjective describing the longevity of fighters like Archie Moore and george Foreman but i can't quite catch it.
My pleasure Mr Finch. He describes him as a 'Methuselah', as in the biblical saying 'as old as Methuselah' that you might hear from real old timers now and again. Methuselah was the auldest boy in the bible so he was.
Good man Whiskey !
Quoteas in the biblical saying 'as old as Methuselah' that you might hear from real old timers now and again.
Yep -the old man God rest him would use that line in his day.
Damaen Kelly convicted of beating the wife. What is society coming to when you are punished for your wife having an affair. Terrible.
On BBC Four tonight. It could be sad to watch as it is from 2003.
22:00 The Then and Now of Muhammad Ali (R) (T) In a programme made in 2003, the boxer talks to David Frost about his eventful life, illustrious sporting career and deeply held ideals. Ali reveals why he took up boxing and discusses his refusal to fight in Vietnam, conversion to Islam and battle against Parkinson's disease. The film also features highlights from the pair's meeting on the TV show Frost on Friday in 1968, as well as clips from Ali's 1974 `Rumble in the Jungle' fight against George Foreman in Zaire.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 29, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Damaen Kelly convicted of beating the wife. What is society coming to when you are punished for your wife having an affair. Terrible.
WTF?
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 29, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Damaen Kelly convicted of beating the wife. What is society coming to when you are punished for your wife having an affair. Terrible.
Is this some kind of joke?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on March 29, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Damaen Kelly convicted of beating the wife. What is society coming to when you are punished for your wife having an affair. Terrible.
Is this some kind of joke?
Na, apparently he give her a smack or two.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 29, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Damaen Kelly convicted of beating the wife. What is society coming to when you are punished for your wife having an affair. Terrible.
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Andy Lee v Chavez Jr June 16th.
Julio Diaz has withdrawn from the May the 5th bout with Paul McCloskey due to weight problems.
McCloskey will now fight DeMarcus Corley.
If McCloskey wins, a title shot against the winner of Danny Garcia (recently came out on top against Erik Morales) and Ajose Olusegun beckons.
Is there many board members for the Rogan vs Fury fight on Saturday ? What's your prediction ?
Would there be much of a demand for Rogan v Fury? Looks like two mugs.
I wouldn't have thought so Minder, i was trying to gauge if there was much interest.
I wouldn't have thought there would be much interest on account of two reasons:
1) It is a foregone conclusion that Rogan is going to get beat. In my eyes it's just a matter of what round he gets beat in. I hope i'm wrong about that.
2) Fight is on channel 5.
Reason why i was asking is that he made what could be interpreted as a veiled dig at McCloskey only fighting in the Kings Hall in a recent interview when he talked about when he was going to have to 'downgrade' from the Odyssey to the Kings Hall to fight Matt Skelton last year (in a fight which never materialised). Maybe i'm reading too much into things here but the question he was asked did not merit talking about Belfast venues.
I would have thought Rogan would be doing well to sell half the odyssey, I guess we'll find out on Saturday.
There's a few lads i know going and i'd consider going for a last minute ticket, if my horse wins the grand national, otherwise i'll be watching it on the box.
Any more details Hardstation? Seen someone mention on Facebook thay it had kicked off...
A last ditch attempt to drum up some interest?
Was there any digs threw or just handbags? Should make it a bit more interesting anyway! Is it tonight or tomorrow?
fury v rogie on tonight at the odyssey. live on ch5. cant see past a comfortable victory for tyson fury. fury inside 5 rounds.
Someone tell Rogie to leather Fury if his gumshield comes out and the ref doesnt stop it.
Spot the ringside 'celebrities' Bet Micky Harte is there
jackie fullerton
Never seen fury before. Looks like a big pudding so far...
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2012, 10:09:35 PM
C'mon Rogie. Knock his shite in and hang the gloves up. There is a number 14 jersey with your name on it up at Rossa.
He'll need it after wed night :o
Christ Rogie was well knocked down there
Pish Rogie.
Hail to our new Champ. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Fight in the crowd?
That's what it looked like. I missed the last punch because I was trying to see what was happening in the crowd
Before he went down i seen him looking over to the corner. Took his eye off the what he was doing!!! Strange
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Before he went down i seen him looking over to the corner. Took his eye off the what he was doing!!! Strange
You smelling a rat/large bet on a named round finish?
I'm saying nowt, I know Rogie and hurled againist him through juvenile. I was just wondering why he looked across to the corner
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Before he went down i seen him looking over to the corner. Took his eye off the what he was doing!!! Strange
Heard a scurrilous rumour Rogie was for going down in a certain round ! Don't believe it myself.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Before he went down i seen him looking over to the corner. Took his eye off the what he was doing!!! Strange
Very strange. Never did that when he was emptying the Peter Pan at closing!
Quote from: Minder on April 14, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Before he went down i seen him looking over to the corner. Took his eye off the what he was doing!!! Strange
Heard a scurrilous rumour Rogie was for going down in a certain round ! Don't believe it myself.
Heard that also, I heard the 3rd round. These rumours always fly about. I doubt it
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Quote from: Minder on April 14, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Before he went down i seen him looking over to the corner. Took his eye off the what he was doing!!! Strange
Heard a scurrilous rumour Rogie was for going down in a certain round ! Don't believe it myself.
Heard that also, I heard the 3rd round. These rumours always fly about. I doubt it
Yeah it was the 3rd I heard too.
Maybe he cant count. Anyway leave the big cnut alone that must be him finished nar.
Chisora said on Twitter Rogan bet on losing in 5th round? :o
There were three different fights in the crowd. A whole wrecking match according to reports
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2012, 11:02:54 PM
Bit silly to say that you don't believe that he had a bet to go down in the 3rd, after the fight that he went down in the 5th!
What I was saying was I didn't believe he threw it. Maybe the rumour was wrong, maybe it was the 5th but I don't think he had a punt on it.
Lot of comments on Twitter that the round ended suspiciously.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on April 14, 2012, 11:03:49 PM
There were three different fights in the crowd. A whole wrecking match according to reports
Were they fixed?
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2012, 11:16:09 PM
The thing about these rumours, if Rogie did have a bet you can be sure as shite that very few people know, not half the fcukin road.
That sounds like some ballbag holding court in Dan Boyle's spouting shite and pretending to be in the know. To be fair, he may have every copy of Ring magzine, so who could argue with him.
Maybe we will get you to verify any rumours in the future.
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2012, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 14, 2012, 11:17:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2012, 11:16:09 PM
The thing about these rumours, if Rogie did have a bet you can be sure as shite that very few people know, not half the fcukin road.
That sounds like some ballbag holding court in Dan Boyle's spouting shite and pretending to be in the know. To be fair, he may have every copy of Ring magzine, so who could argue with him.
Maybe we will get you to verify any rumours in the future.
Well it is better than you putting rumours out that you don't even believe.....
Take a look on Twitter.
Betting slips popping up in my FB timeline and Twitter showing 5th round win. Why was I not told in the Spar?
he looked at his corner because he was starting to eat leather and had no answer.
he was clearly hurt and could be seen gasping still 30 seconds later when he went back to the corner despite his initial protestation to Checa.
The heavyweight standard as we know is not good. Fury won't beat a Klitschko but there are not too many others he should fear. His defence still needs to tighten up but with his size and that jab he should still be harder to hit. He may not have one punch concussive power to take out the best but he certainly has power enough to seriously hurt people and wear them down.
He's not the second coming of Muhammad Ali but he keeps things interesting and I for one like him, and hope he does well.
Quote from: CiKe on April 14, 2012, 11:44:29 PM
he looked at his corner because he was starting to eat leather and had no answer.
he was clearly hurt and could be seen gasping still 30 seconds later when he went back to the corner despite his initial protestation to Checa.
I thought that he'd cracked a rib the way he grimaced
Lads, do not kid yourselves!! It was a COMPLETE set-up and very badly done!! The ref was allowing him to continue with 2seconds on the clock, when a guy from his corner ran in and stopped it!! And just to clarify, I was told to back Fury in the 5th round at about 4pm!!!!! Half of Armagh had the bet on, I had 17/2 with Paddy Power!! Boxing today is in a state because of this, but even on that note I won't be returning my winnings!! ;-)
Joe Ward just got beaten in the olympic qualifiers by a Turk in Turkey? The Irish camp are considering appealing the result.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 16, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Joe Ward just got beaten in the olympic qualifiers by a Turk in Turkey? The Irish camp are considering appealing the result.
ah bugger that was last chance saloon i think. All hopes on Katie, so....
Quote from: CiKe on April 16, 2012, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 16, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Joe Ward just got beaten in the olympic qualifiers by a Turk in Turkey? The Irish camp are considering appealing the result.
ah bugger that was last chance saloon i think. All hopes on Katie, so....
Big medal hope gone.
Sounds like a hometown decision alright - http://soundcloud.com/paul-mcdermott-isc/billy-walsh-after-joe-ward (http://soundcloud.com/paul-mcdermott-isc/billy-walsh-after-joe-ward)
They were saying the Turkish fighter landed 2 scoring punches in the final round but was still awarded 6 points somehow.
The appeal Joe Ward lodged after his controversial defeat to Bahran Muzaffer has proven unsuccessful. Such an outcome was always likely. Boxing results are rarely overturned.
Boxing administration is a pretty dirty business and it's generally the boxers and the general publoc that get taken to the cleaners.
Rogie lets rip - http://youtu.be/llYgkej_1Fs
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 16, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
They were saying the Turkish fighter landed 2 scoring punches in the final round but was still awarded 6 points somehow.
Were the judges Turkish? Surely there must be a fairer way of deciding Olympic qualification?
Quote from: ONeill on April 16, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
Rogie lets rip - http://youtu.be/llYgkej_1Fs
Pissed off me thinks? I couldn't make out what he said, though he said fcuk a few times :o
Can someone answer me as to why our boxers left until now to get qualification for the olympics? Was there only a once off tournament in turkey to qualify only 3/4 months until games,,,, doesnt make sense to me. Boxing is unbelievably corrupt though, pissed off myself hearing this.
No they had chances before this, lost out in other qualifiers
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 16, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
Rogie lets rip - http://youtu.be/llYgkej_1Fs
Pissed off me thinks? I couldn't make out what he said, though he said fcuk a few times :o
;D He told Hennessey not to come back to "f**king Belfast"!
Paddy Barnes qualified for London. Takes the Nordies ;)
Well done Paddy! :D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Paddy Barnes qualified for London. Takes the Nordies ;)
Brilliant, as it was looking glum for 'us' :P
Another good yella bellie!!
Adam Nolan from Enniscorthy, Co Wexford, has qualified for the London Olympics.
The pugilist, who boxes out of Bray, defeated Romanian Ionut Gheorghe 19-10 in the 69kg welterweight semi-finals at the AIBA European Olympic Qualifying tournament in Trabzon, Turkey, to reach the Olympics.
The Irishman won every round on a scoreline of 7/5 8/3 4/2 to secure the win, rarely looking like he was in serious danger.
He goes on to contest the tournament's final.
Later today, Paddy Barnes will attempt to reach the tournament's 49kg flyweight final when he fights Ferhat Pehlivan at approximately 5pm. Barnes has already secured his Olympic berth.
At 7pm, Tommy McCarthy will attempt to win his 91kg heavyweight semi-final. If McCarthy wins that semi-final, and the final, he also reaches the Olympics
Tommy McCarthy just got beaten. Barnes got beaten by another Turk. No need to say any more about that.
5 is not a bad effort but to be going to the olympics without our best male olympian is not good. Ward will probably turn pro now.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 20, 2012, 06:26:16 PM
Tommy McCarthy just got beaten. Barnes got beaten by another Turk. No need to say any more about that.
5 is not a bad effort but to be going to the olympics without our best male olympian is not good. Ward will probably turn pro now.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/flame-not-gone-out-for-ward-yet-191082.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/flame-not-gone-out-for-ward-yet-191082.html)
Pity about Ward, has France-Ireland World Cup feel about it now. Hope some miracle happens. But as with all these things it's the can of worms you open. You can bet there are more hard luck cases, there always are.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 20, 2012, 06:26:16 PM
Tommy McCarthy just got beaten. Barnes got beaten by another Turk. No need to say any more about that.
5 is not a bad effort but to be going to the olympics without our best male olympian is not good. Ward will probably turn pro now.
The Turks have sudenly turned into boxing magicians during this tournament. I believe not one of them even reached the quarter-finals in any weight-class in Baku last year during that qualifying tournament. Funny that.
There is still one place left for a European boxer at Ward's weight - it's meant to be a wild card for developing nations but apparently nobody qualifies under the criteria. In that case the rules suggest that the highest ranked unqualified boxer should get the place...which would be Ward.
So we're not quite at 'let us be number 33' stage yet, he may well end up going to London.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 20, 2012, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 20, 2012, 06:26:16 PM
Tommy McCarthy just got beaten. Barnes got beaten by another Turk. No need to say any more about that.
The Turks have sudenly turned into boxing magicians during this tournament. I believe not one of them even reached the quarter-finals in any weight-class in Baku last year during that qualifying tournament. Funny that.
Not one qualifier up to now and 5 of their 10 competitors have made the final of this tournament. You basically had to knock them flat out to beat them this week (as a Russian boxer actually managed to do). Shoe will be on the other foot in London though. I doubt they'll get one medal.
That Piers Morgan/Bruno interview was hard viewing at times. On at the minute.
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2012, 09:47:34 PM
That Piers Morgan/Bruno interview was hard viewing at times. On at the minute.
Was watching bits of it. What exactly is wrong with Frank?
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2012, 09:47:34 PM
That Piers Morgan/Bruno interview was hard viewing at times. On at the minute.
I find anything with Piers Morgan hard viewing.
Some kind of bi-polarishness.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on April 20, 2012, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 20, 2012, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 20, 2012, 06:26:16 PM
Tommy McCarthy just got beaten. Barnes got beaten by another Turk. No need to say any more about that.
The Turks have sudenly turned into boxing magicians during this tournament. I believe not one of them even reached the quarter-finals in any weight-class in Baku last year during that qualifying tournament. Funny that.
Not one qualifier up to now and 5 of their 10 competitors have made the final of this tournament. You basically had to knock them flat out to beat them this week (as a Russian boxer actually managed to do). Shoe will be on the other foot in London though. I doubt they'll get one medal.
I don't understand how this is still allowed to go on though, surely the fact that this competition is linked to the Olympics means that there should be realistic grounds for appeal. I am sure that all the fights are recorded and therefore its not too hard to launch an appeal when you have video evidence behind you. I heard that Ward landed something in the teens with regaard to scoring punches in final round while the Turk landed a handful, yet the scoring didn't reflect this or get anywhere near it. Paddy Barnes is always good for a laugh and he was at least prepared for losing the final fight unless he knocked the fella out, he seemed pretty happy with his performance after as he said he was holding the Turk up so he could batter him some more, and apparently the Turk even appeared embarassed when given the decision. Joe Brolly wrote a good article on the joke that is amateur boxing:
http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-olympic-boxing-stick-it-where-the-sun-don-t-shine-1-3777726 (http://www.derryjournal.com/community/columnists/brolly-s-bites-olympic-boxing-stick-it-where-the-sun-don-t-shine-1-3777726)
Quote from: Candyman on April 15, 2012, 03:52:02 AM
Lads, do not kid yourselves!! It was a COMPLETE set-up and very badly done!! The ref was allowing him to continue with 2seconds on the clock, when a guy from his corner ran in and stopped it!! And just to clarify, I was told to back Fury in the 5th round at about 4pm!!!!! Half of Armagh had the bet on, I had 17/2 with Paddy Power!! Boxing today is in a state because of this, but even on that note I won't be returning my winnings!! ;-)
Heard there was more boxing in the stands than there was in the ring at the Rogie fight. Not much about it in the press AFAIK.
A few ambulances required from all accounts. Anyone at it?
anyone think chop chop might trouble dudey tonight, tricky customer whos been in with some top quality opponents
McCloskey found out tonight. That was coming a long time.
Quote from: ONeill on May 06, 2012, 12:01:28 AM
McCloskey found out tonight. That was coming a long time.
Controversial stoppage according to reports?
If the ref hadn't have jumped in and gave him that ten seconds to recover he would have been cleaned out. You can't stand with your hands down at that level, it only takes one slap. Long way back now for Dudey.
Dudey courageous tnite but ultimately struggled near the end.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2012, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 06, 2012, 12:01:28 AM
McCloskey found out tonight. That was coming a long time.
Controversial stoppage according to reports?
Totally agree, fair play to him for doing so well though
Does anyone have a link to the Belfast Telegraph and an article today by David Kelly? Seen Paul McCloskey just tweeted the below so would like to read what was said:
QuotePaulmccloskey @Paul_Mccloskey
Needless to say I'll not be buying the Belfast Telegraph again!
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Paulmccloskey @Paul_Mccloskey
Just read today's article in Belfast Telegraph by David Kelly. Who needs enemies when you have friends like that?
Haye v Chisora in July, now there is a surprise.
Sanctioned by the Luxembourg Boxing Federation.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 07, 2012, 11:39:32 PM
Does anyone have a link to the Belfast Telegraph and an article today by David Kelly? Seen Paul McCloskey just tweeted the below so would like to read what was said:
QuotePaulmccloskey @Paul_Mccloskey
Needless to say I'll not be buying the Belfast Telegraph again!
Quote
Paulmccloskey @Paul_Mccloskey
Just read today's article in Belfast Telegraph by David Kelly. Who needs enemies when you have friends like that?
He cant box like that on Saturday night and expect a Journalist not to report how poor he was? Maybe if he would have worked harder in the fight and kept his hands up he would have got through on a points decision but kept getting caught time and time again, poor show.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 08, 2012, 08:46:29 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on May 07, 2012, 11:39:32 PM
Does anyone have a link to the Belfast Telegraph and an article today by David Kelly? Seen Paul McCloskey just tweeted the below so would like to read what was said:
QuotePaulmccloskey @Paul_Mccloskey
Needless to say I'll not be buying the Belfast Telegraph again!
Quote
Paulmccloskey @Paul_Mccloskey
Just read today's article in Belfast Telegraph by David Kelly. Who needs enemies when you have friends like that?
He cant box like that on Saturday night and expect a Journalist not to report how poor he was? Maybe if he would have worked harder in the fight and kept his hands up he would have got through on a points decision but kept getting caught time and time again, poor show.
Oh totally agree, I thought he was poor, started very slow like he did against Prescott and I think he was even a bit fortunate to get the decision that night but would just like to read what the journalist has said as its obviously upset Dudey a bit.
Carl Froch just stopped Lucian Bute in five stunning rounds. Absolutely demolished him.
Frampton won comfortably on points on undercard.
Froch was absolutely superb last night - one of the best performances I've seen in a while. It's repeated on Sky Sports 2 now. Fair play to him he's fought nearly everyone to fight in that division and more often than not gave a good account of himself. I wonder if a rematch with Andre Ward is on the cards.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 27, 2012, 09:20:49 AM
Froch was absolutely superb last night - one of the best performances I've seen in a while. It's repeated on Sky Sports 2 now. Fair play to him he's fought nearly everyone to fight in that division and more often than not gave a good account of himself. I wonder if a rematch with Andre Ward is on the cards.
Think a rematch with Kessler more likely. Would do well to stay away from Ward
Would be very surprised if Bute took the rematch contracted for Montreal. Not after that thumping. Froch needs to fight Ward again but in truth I still wouldn't fancy him to win.
Impressed by Frampton last night two. Controlled and smart throughout. Aggressive in the last two.
Froch very impressive and a refreshing boxer who doesn't seem to pick and choose who he fights. In reality Bute hadn't fought anyone of real note and was found out at world class level. A bit like Amir Khan I think, win handy fights well but not good enough for the very top level, hopefully he's found out again shortly as well!
Time is running out for froch, who was never the best boxer but always one of the best fighters in the world. Always liked his heart in and class out of the ring. I'd say his last three fights might be kessler in nottingham followed by bute in Montreal, both of which I think he'll win, then finishing with ward in nottingham which he probably can't win
Yeah I agree that time is running out for Froch and it's disappointing that he isn't regarded in the same league as Benn, Eubank and Calzaghe in the UK, but with probably only 2 or 3 fights left in his career, I'd say there's a few loose ends he'd want to tidy up. I'd love to see him beat Kessler (which he would) then have another rattle at Andre Ward. Can't see Ward coming to Nottingham, though if it did happen it's a ticket I'd definately want to try and get!
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2012, 12:01:01 AM
Yeah I agree that time is running out for Froch and it's disappointing that he isn't regarded in the same league as Benn, Eubank and Calzaghe in the UK, but with probably only 2 or 3 fights left in his career, I'd say there's a few loose ends he'd want to tidy up. I'd love to see him beat Kessler (which he would) then have another rattle at Andre Ward. Can't see Ward coming to Nottingham, though if it did happen it's a ticket I'd definately want to try and get!
he's better then all of them except calzaghe. who says he isnt rated? Balderdash of the highest order.
Benn, eubank and collins only fought themselves. Froch fights everyone. He's a brilliant boxer in my view and better then all 3.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 28, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 28, 2012, 12:01:01 AM
Yeah I agree that time is running out for Froch and it's disappointing that he isn't regarded in the same league as Benn, Eubank and Calzaghe in the UK, but with probably only 2 or 3 fights left in his career, I'd say there's a few loose ends he'd want to tidy up. I'd love to see him beat Kessler (which he would) then have another rattle at Andre Ward. Can't see Ward coming to Nottingham, though if it did happen it's a ticket I'd definately want to try and get!
he's better then all of them except calzaghe. who says he isnt rated? Balderdash of the highest order.
Benn, eubank and collins only fought themselves. Froch fights everyone. He's a brilliant boxer in my view and better then all 3.
Ah well at least you rate him, im sure he'll retire happy now. I agree with you - my point is that he's not the darling of the English media that some boxers have been eg. Bruno, Benn and more lately Khan which have meant he's not filling stadiums but hopefully a re-match with Ward may get him the real superfight his talent deserves.
Just read that they found Johnny Tapia dead.
I was just looking in here to ask why Carl Froch was fighting Dan Shanahan there on saturday night? Jaysus he gave him some thumping. Once Froch realised that Bute couldn't hurt him, he just walked through the left hands. He could have knocked him down 4 or 5 times, fair play to Bute for standing up as long as he did.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2012, 02:06:18 PM
Just read that they found Johnny Tapia dead.
His life always seemed destined to end early. Suffered tragedy from an early age. RIP.
Also just read that Paul Williams is likely paralysed from waist down after a motorbike crash in Atlanta yesterday. Shocking.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18247073
Former world champion Paul Williams has been left paralysed from the waist down after a motorcycle accident on Sunday.
The 30-year-old American, a two-time WBO welterweight champion, severed his spinal cord after being thrown from his bike in Atlanta, Georgia.
Williams was scheduled to fight Saul Alvarez for the Mexican's WBC light-middleweight crown in September.
However, manager George Peterson said the fighter had been told by doctors he was unlikely to walk again.
Peterson said: "Paul is in denial right now. It's been that way with him. You tell him he can't or won't do something, and he wants to prove you different.
"So whatever the doctors say, he's not listening. But they say that walking and boxing is not going to happen."
Williams beat Antonio Margarito for his first title in 2007, before losing his next fight to Carlos Quintana.
Williams beat Quintana in a rematch before surrendering his title when he moved up to light-middleweight, where he secured the interim WBO crown by defeating Verno Phillips.
The southpaw also fought at middleweight, beating future Hall of Fame fighter Ronald 'Winky' Wright and future world champion Sergio Martinez.
But a subsequent second-round knockout by the Argentine in 2010, and an unimpressive and controversial points win over Erislandy Lara the following year, saw his stock fall.
The scheduled fight against Alvarez, which was to have taken place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on 15 September, was a chance for Williams to prove he was still among the sport's elite fighters.
So, Pacquiao vs Bradley. I think Bradley is top notch and will beat him - whether he gets the decision is another matter. If it ends early however i'll be wrong and Pacquiao will remove him from his senses. Can't see Bradley winning by stoppage at all as Pacquiao has been in with bigger harder punching men who haven't been able to put him in trouble
Given i reckon this has the potential for Bradley being screwed ( as per my previous prediction on Campillo v Cloud), the draw is 30/1. Think this represents decent value, particularly because in my book Pacquiao was clearly beaten last time out by Marquez yet still got the decision. Perhaps I'm being naive but hopefully this means more focus on the judges i.e they won't be able to totally screw Bradley by giving Pacquiao the win, but by the same token coming between Mayweather and Pacquiao might be too big a leap in principles for boxing judges hence suspect draw is feasible...
What else is on the bill tonight?
anyone any links for tonights boxing?
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/126042/3/watch-boxing:-manny-pacquiao-vs-timothy-bradley.html
Hasn't started yet as Pacman wanted to watch the basketball...Weird... :-\
Didnt bother staying up for it in the end, but first reports i've seen suggest Pacquiao very unlucky to lose! What did ye think?
Terrible decision, in my own opinion Manny won. He controlled the fight from start to finish.
Pacman knows now what it's like to be on end of a dubious decision-probably why there wasn't much moaning to the media from him
Terrible decision as Pacman won at least 10 rounds.The HBO commentators thought it was the worst decision they have ever seen in pro boxing.Rematch in november
Quote from: maigheo on June 10, 2012, 01:20:32 PM
Terrible decision as Pacman won at least 10 rounds.The HBO commentators thought it was the worst decision they have ever seen in pro boxing.Rematch in november
That bad? Surely not, god knows there have been some robberies over the years, but as someone else alluded to, Pac-Man has been the beneficiary of a couple of dodgy decisions
Yes it was that bad.Bradley, even tho he tried hard and did not back down from pacman,did not trouble him at any stage in the fight and said after the fight that Pac manwas to good for him.Harold Lederman had the fight scored 119 to 110 for Pac man
I had Pacman winning every round except the last and maybe one other one. I didn't even watch the decision I thought it was that one sided. Only heard the decision on the radio an hour later and was very shocked!
Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world or are the judges just incompetent ?
Pacquiao's first defeat in 16 championship fights over seven years, during which the Filipino has become an international idol, stunned the 16,000 crowd at the MGM Grand Arena. Veteran promoter Bob Arum — who handles both protagonists – labelled the judges' decision as "outrageous" and "one of the worst" he had ever seen, while former heavyweight world champion Lennox Lewis said it was "another stain on boxing", and branded the scoring "unbelievable and disgraceful".
"It was worse than my controversial draw with Evander Holyfield in 1999," he said.
Amir Khan, Pacquiao's stablemate, called the decision "a robbery", and likened it to his loss to Lamont Peterson in Washington DC in December. Arum added: "I've never been as ashamed of the sport of boxing as I am tonight. I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous."
The biggest fight of Bradley's career earned him $5million (£3.2m). Pacquiao was guaranteed $20m (£12.9m). Bradley moved to 29 fights unbeaten. Pacquiao lost for the fourth time in his 60th bout.
It was confirmed that a second encounter is expected to take place between Pacquiao and Bradley on Nov 10 in either Nevada, Texas, or California.
Quote from: orangeman on June 10, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
Is boxing the most corrupt sport in the world or are the judges just incompetent ?
Pacquiao's first defeat in 16 championship fights over seven years, during which the Filipino has become an international idol, stunned the 16,000 crowd at the MGM Grand Arena. Veteran promoter Bob Arum — who handles both protagonists – labelled the judges' decision as "outrageous" and "one of the worst" he had ever seen, while former heavyweight world champion Lennox Lewis said it was "another stain on boxing", and branded the scoring "unbelievable and disgraceful".
"It was worse than my controversial draw with Evander Holyfield in 1999," he said.
Amir Khan, Pacquiao's stablemate, called the decision "a robbery", and likened it to his loss to Lamont Peterson in Washington DC in December. Arum added: "I've never been as ashamed of the sport of boxing as I am tonight. I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous."
The biggest fight of Bradley's career earned him $5million (£3.2m). Pacquiao was guaranteed $20m (£12.9m). Bradley moved to 29 fights unbeaten. Pacquiao lost for the fourth time in his 60th bout.
It was confirmed that a second encounter is expected to take place between Pacquiao and Bradley on Nov 10 in either Nevada, Texas, or California.
Ker-ching $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Everyone's a winner.
Arum should be ashamed of himself, he is at fault for this debacle as he promotes both fighters.
I used to love boxing but the likes of Arum and the rest of the scummy promoters have done nothing but take advantage of the fighters and the public who support said fighters, after watching that fight and seeing that result I have watched my last boxing match and hope it dies a quick death because it is the most corrupt sport on the planet bar none.
Has the decision been taken yet on who got the invitation places for the Boxing at the Olympics? Joe Ward?
Sorry to read today of the passing of Teofilio Stevenson the supreme Cuban boxer.He scared the daylights out of the heavyweight division at amateur level for years
Andy lee gets his chance on Saturday night, anyone know what time it will be on here?
From Today's Times:
Quotehttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0614/1224317876692.html
OLYMPIC GAMES BOXING: HOPES of participating in the London Olympic Games in July are all but gone for Irish light-heavyweight champion Joe Ward. The Moate boxer, who was controversially beaten by a local fighter Bahran Muzaffer in the Olympic Qualifier in Trabzon in April had hoped a mechanism called the Tripartite Commission could offer him a wildcard place.
However, sources in Lausanne where the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the International Amateur Boxing Association (IABA) have their headquarters, have said the Irish teenager will not be one of the names chosen by the commission.
The idea when the commission was first set up was to allow nations with little or no representation in the Olympic Games an alternative route to participation and was based on the principle of universal representation as specified in the Olympic Charter. Invitation places can only be allocated to countries with an average of six or less athletes at the last two editions of the Games.
As Ireland has six boxers in a team of over 50 qualified for London – five males and Katie Taylor – it is believed the commission's stance was that Ireland and Ward fell outside their criteria. Ward, whose world ranking has slipped in recent months from three to five is the European senior champion, a title he won in 2011 when he was 17-years-old.
Another issue that was put to the commission was that because boxing is an aggressive contact sport, an element of danger existed if the nominated individual was of insufficient standard to compete against European and World champions. That would have mitigated in favour of the Irishman but appears not to have swayed the decision makers.
One glimmer of hope is the International Federation can also make a recommendation for inclusion. However indications are the heavily-politicised decision-making process may also end in disappointment. Apparently there are two unofficial lists in circulation in Lausanne from the IABA, one which has Ward's name included and the other which does not. It was suggested by the source Ward's expectations should not lean too heavily on being nominated by the governing body of the sport.
Ward was the youngest on the Irish team that recently travelled to France for a pre-Olympic Games camp. Irish coach Billy Walsh had kept him in training with the other qualified boxers in the hope a mechanism could be found to have him included in the team. Part of that feeling came from the sense of injustice that lingered after Ward was judged to have lost 18-15 in his second bout in Trabzon to Muzaffer.
At the time outraged Irish Boxing officials lodged an official complaint, which was unsuccessful as organisers determined that no rules were seen to have been broken in arriving at the verdict. Such an outcome was always likely as boxing results are rarely overturned. Having had time to analyse the fight on video afterwards Walsh remained bemused at the decision. "Joe landed 12 punches but only got four points," he said at the time. "The Turk landed four, but got six points. I thought Joe did all the cleaner scoring. But that's what you're up against. You're here and there's a partisan crowd. Even if Joe's hitting sometimes they are pressing the wrong button."
No European team that attended the tournament in Trabzon qualified more than two boxers for London, while the hosts Turkey qualified with six fighters. They won four gold medals from 10, while no other nation won more than one. Before the tournament had finished an Irish boxing official had delivered a letter to the president of the International Federation, Dr Ching-Kuo Wu. But it all seems to have been to no avail.
This is scandallous the lad isn't allowed into the Olympics!
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
This is scandallous the lad isn't allowed into the Olympics!
He had two chances to qualify and messed them both up.
He didnt fight well against the turk, and tactically him (and in particular his corner) got it very wrong.
Of course they are going to cry foul rather than admit they messed it up. The fact is it was a very close fight, not even the Irish disputed that the first 2 rounds could have gone either way. There is some legitimate complaints to the 3rd round, when the judges reacted to crowd noise rather than actual scoring hits, but that's the way it goes when you are away in most sports. He needed to win well, and he didnt.
Close decisions in boxing usually go the way of the home fighter, but this wasn't anywhere near the scandal they are pretending it was.
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
From Today's Times:
Quotehttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0614/1224317876692.html
OLYMPIC GAMES BOXING: HOPES of participating in the London Olympic Games in July are all but gone for Irish light-heavyweight champion Joe Ward. The Moate boxer, who was controversially beaten by a local fighter Bahran Muzaffer in the Olympic Qualifier in Trabzon in April had hoped a mechanism called the Tripartite Commission could offer him a wildcard place.
However, sources in Lausanne where the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the International Amateur Boxing Association (IABA) have their headquarters, have said the Irish teenager will not be one of the names chosen by the commission.
The idea when the commission was first set up was to allow nations with little or no representation in the Olympic Games an alternative route to participation and was based on the principle of universal representation as specified in the Olympic Charter. Invitation places can only be allocated to countries with an average of six or less athletes at the last two editions of the Games.
As Ireland has six boxers in a team of over 50 qualified for London – five males and Katie Taylor – it is believed the commission's stance was that Ireland and Ward fell outside their criteria. Ward, whose world ranking has slipped in recent months from three to five is the European senior champion, a title he won in 2011 when he was 17-years-old.
Another issue that was put to the commission was that because boxing is an aggressive contact sport, an element of danger existed if the nominated individual was of insufficient standard to compete against European and World champions. That would have mitigated in favour of the Irishman but appears not to have swayed the decision makers.
One glimmer of hope is the International Federation can also make a recommendation for inclusion. However indications are the heavily-politicised decision-making process may also end in disappointment. Apparently there are two unofficial lists in circulation in Lausanne from the IABA, one which has Ward's name included and the other which does not. It was suggested by the source Ward's expectations should not lean too heavily on being nominated by the governing body of the sport.
Ward was the youngest on the Irish team that recently travelled to France for a pre-Olympic Games camp. Irish coach Billy Walsh had kept him in training with the other qualified boxers in the hope a mechanism could be found to have him included in the team. Part of that feeling came from the sense of injustice that lingered after Ward was judged to have lost 18-15 in his second bout in Trabzon to Muzaffer.
At the time outraged Irish Boxing officials lodged an official complaint, which was unsuccessful as organisers determined that no rules were seen to have been broken in arriving at the verdict. Such an outcome was always likely as boxing results are rarely overturned. Having had time to analyse the fight on video afterwards Walsh remained bemused at the decision. "Joe landed 12 punches but only got four points," he said at the time. "The Turk landed four, but got six points. I thought Joe did all the cleaner scoring. But that's what you're up against. You're here and there's a partisan crowd. Even if Joe's hitting sometimes they are pressing the wrong button."
No European team that attended the tournament in Trabzon qualified more than two boxers for London, while the hosts Turkey qualified with six fighters. They won four gold medals from 10, while no other nation won more than one. Before the tournament had finished an Irish boxing official had delivered a letter to the president of the International Federation, Dr Ching-Kuo Wu. But it all seems to have been to no avail.
This is scandallous the lad isn't allowed into the Olympics!
+1.
Andy Lee stopped in 7th round
The decision will eventually come down tomorrow according to reports. You can't say he has only himself to blame. He like all the other amateur boxers are reliant on the judges to deliver fair verdicts, it is hard to knock people out with head gear and big gloves.
Quote from: Hound on June 14, 2012, 10:52:49 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
This is scandallous the lad isn't allowed into the Olympics!
He had two chances to qualify and messed them both up.
He didnt fight well against the turk, and tactically him (and in particular his corner) got it very wrong.
Of course they are going to cry foul rather than admit they messed it up. The fact is it was a very close fight, not even the Irish disputed that the first 2 rounds could have gone either way. There is some legitimate complaints to the 3rd round, when the judges reacted to crowd noise rather than actual scoring hits, but that's the way it goes when you are away in most sports. He needed to win well, and he didnt.
Close decisions in boxing usually go the way of the home fighter, but this wasn't anywhere near the scandal they are pretending it was.
Capt Pat, your going on the word of his manager that he was robbed. Its laughable how easily sucked in as a nation we are to a supposed hard luck story.
Billy Walsh is hardly going to admit that he got the tactics wrong, and they only pushed on in the final round when the damage was done and the Turk's and the crowd's confidence were up.
He had two attemps to qualify, and failed in both. Thus, he doesn't deserve to go. Would be fantastic if he got a wildcard, but that aint goina happen
Martinez-Chavez Jr. already made apparently.
Quote from: gallsman on June 17, 2012, 12:30:37 PM
Martinez-Chavez Jr. already made apparently.
Will Martinez insist on a drugs test beforehand?
Quote from: Hound on June 17, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
Capt Pat, your going on the word of his manager that he was robbed. Its laughable how easily sucked in as a nation we are to a supposed hard luck story.
Billy Walsh is hardly going to admit that he got the tactics wrong, and they only pushed on in the final round when the damage was done and the Turk's and the crowd's confidence were up.
He had two attemps to qualify, and failed in both. Thus, he doesn't deserve to go. Would be fantastic if he got a wildcard, but that aint goina happen
Have you seen the fight Hound? Just wondering is it available anywhere. You're right enough that everyone is going on hearsay but it also sounds fairly believable that he might have been done - with boxing being what it is.
For those who haven't heard Joe Ward won't be going to the olympics. The tripartite commission did not grant him a place at the games.
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 20, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
For those who haven't heard Joe Ward won't be going to the olympics. The tripartite commission did not grant him a place at the games.
Think the Irish governing body have appealed this decision
See Tyson Fury won to-night. When he came into the ring they were holding the Irish flag the wrong way around. Us Unionists have been known to get a bit up-set when the Union flag is upside down. ;)
Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez - Odyssey, Saturday the 22nd September
Does anyone know the ins and outs of this boxnation deal with The Sun. Will you have to pay anything to watch Haye and Chisora?
You'd want to be looking paid to watch that dirt.
Yes nrico you will still have to pay. They've worded it so it looks like a better deal than it is.
This month boxnation introduced a registration fee of £10. So on top of having to pay your monthly subscription of £10 you will now also have to pay a one off subscription charge of £10. The sun offer basically waives this charge.
They were doing an offer of two months for one month but think that has now ended.
Have qualms about watching the fight. Think it is ridiculous how Warren and co have been able to circumvent the board. The board have been shown up to look pretty toothless and unorganised during this whole debacle. Haye and Chisora shouldn't be profiting from what happened in Germany especially in their home country. But I haven't got my value out of box nation since i began subscribing (just before the Mayweather vs Cotto fight) and there's quite a few lads landing around my place so think i will be taking the moral low ground on this one ;)
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/58303/1/david-haye-vs-dereck-chisora-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/58303/1/david-haye-vs-dereck-chisora-live-stream-online.html)
let the party begin
Poor fight I thought.
Kahn stopped in 4th after looking to be in control over the first two rounds! Garcia connected with a big shot at end of third which took the legs from Kahn. Fourth round was a good old fashioned slugfest until Kahn couldn't take no more!
Khan was brave but he's been on the floor so often in his career that this shouldn't have been such a big surprised. The odds were completely lopsided considering Garcia was an undefeated WBC champion facing a fighter who'd lost his last fight.
For Khan to even dream of a shot at Mayweather is a joke. Strip away the hype and the guy is miles off the mark.
Suffering defeat after defeat and he hasn't really fought anyone at the very top level. He should really be dropping down to European level, another over rated Brit who got handy fights to get him where he is today. Referring to himself as a superstar during the week I believe. What a bellend.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 15, 2012, 04:49:04 AMThe odds were completely lopsided considering Garcia was an undefeated WBC champion facing a fighter who'd lost his last fight.
Khan was picking him apart at will in the first two rounds, so in a pure boxing sense it was hardly lopsided. As can happen of course though, he got tagged with a good shot and has been proven previously not to have the best of chins.
Quote from: screenmachine on July 15, 2012, 09:31:03 AM
Suffering defeat after defeat and he hasn't really fought anyone at the very top level. He should really be dropping down to European level, another over rated Brit who got handy fights to get him where he is today. Referring to himself as a superstar during the week I believe. What a bellend.
Totally agree - Use to kind of like him but now i can't even watch him get beat up cause he's such a tool!
Khan really is found wanting at this level. Hyped up to the eyeballs, fair play to his managemen team for getting him this far, bullshit sells. American public have now seen him beat twice in a row, could be it for him over there.
hes a good enough fighter but hasnt the chin to take a big hit, and even less know to hold for grim death after getting hit
I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!
If Khan's off top level then Dudey is another ten mile off that. Destroyed by a journey man last day out, you can't afford to fight with your hands down and not expect to get caught at that level, which is still some distance from the top level Khan has been fighting at.
McCloskey has fought like that his whole career and he probably won't change now, he only needs caught once and its game over, and he will get caught at that level, you can be sure of that!
In reality, Khan is probably just above European level, on the bottom rung of the world level with a glass jaw that has been exposed time and time again. McCloskey is European level I think and he'll struggle to get above that both with his ability and the fights that are available to him. I'd love to be proved wrong by McCloskey all the same, can't say the same for Khan all the same... ;)
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on July 15, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!
This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds ;D
Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.
Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 15, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on July 15, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!
This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds ;D
Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.
Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.
this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome??????
Marcus DeCorley ffs ::)
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on July 15, 2012, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 15, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on July 15, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!
This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds ;D
Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.
Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.
this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome??????
Marcus DeCorley ffs ::)
Other than messing up the name, everything he said is absolutely correct. Where's the joke?
Khan really does himself no favours does he??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18852698
QuoteBut Khan responded: "Carl's always got his little things to say and I'll leave it to that really. If he wants to retire he can retire.
"I'm in a tougher division, I'm fighting better opposition and I'm a bigger name than him. That's what burns him really.
Yeah for some reason I don't think Froch is too worried about what Khan has to say about him!!
Quote from: gallsman on July 16, 2012, 07:44:30 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on July 15, 2012, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 15, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on July 15, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!
This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds ;D
Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.
Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.
this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome??????
Marcus DeCorley ffs ::)
Other than messing up the name, everything he said is absolutely correct. Where's the joke?
in your opinion. My opinion is Dudey would have battered him in the 2nd half of the fight. Hope he gets another rattle at Khan
Quote from: J OGorman on July 16, 2012, 09:59:09 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 16, 2012, 07:44:30 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on July 15, 2012, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 15, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on July 15, 2012, 08:03:28 PM
I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!
This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds ;D
Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.
Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.
this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome??????
Marcus DeCorley ffs ::)
Other than messing up the name, everything he said is absolutely correct. Where's the joke?
in your opinion. My opinion is Dudey would have battered him in the 2nd half of the fight. Hope he gets another rattle at Khan
Apologies for messing up the name first time round.
People really need to take off the Irish tinted glasses when referring to the Dudey-Khan fight. If people think that Dudey was comfortable through the first six rounds then Khan must have been even more-so.
Unfortunately Dudey doesn't have the natural power to trouble any of the fighters at world level. He would be lucky to last a round against someone like Garcia who would walk right through his punches, a bit like he did with Khan.
What Dudey does have is good feetwork and is hard to hit but his guard is shocking and as said, he doesn't have the power to keep the top fighters at bay. He may get a rematch with Khan but again this would only be to build Khan's name back up. Id expect Khan to stop him if they met again.
People calling for Khan to retire is premature in my opinion. He does need a lot of improvements as when he gets hit, his gameplan goes out the window, he needs to learn to cover up and survive. I also think he needs to leave Freddie Roach who seems to prioritise other fighters over Khan and has him trotting all over the globe to train with other fighers. I dont think his management is good for him either, his dad and that entourage seem like total pricks. I think he would be better looking for new management and a new trainer.
The punch that done the damage was sort of on the ear and neck if you look at it in slow mo, must have really fooked up his balance :o
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Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 16, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
People calling for Khan to retire is premature in my opinion. He does need a lot of improvements as when he gets hit, his gameplan goes out the window, he needs to learn to cover up and survive.
It has been evident ever since he fought Breidis Prescott that Khan has got a "Glass Chin" i.e. when he ships a big shot, his brain scrambles and he's remains defenceless until either the bell goes or the Referee intervenes.
No amount of "improvement" or "cover up" will prevent him getting hit at least occasionally from when he meets top-class fighters, which means that for all his undoubted other skills etc, he can never be counted a top-class fighter himself.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 16, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
The punch that done the damage was sort of on the ear and neck if you look at it in slow mo, must have really fooked up his balance :o
Prescott's punches were nowhere near his ear or neck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0)
Quote from: screenexile on July 16, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
Khan really does himself no favours does he??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18852698
QuoteBut Khan responded: "Carl's always got his little things to say and I'll leave it to that really. If he wants to retire he can retire.
"I'm in a tougher division, I'm fighting better opposition and I'm a bigger name than him. That's what burns him really.
Yeah for some reason I don't think Froch is too worried about what Khan has to say about him!!
Just after reading that on BBC, and thats one of the main reasons why I can't stand Khan. It was the same with the papers on Saturday, he was slabbering about how he was going to fight Mayweather next. How has he fought better opposition than Froch? Balls. As for it being a tougher division, I would also disagree. Look at the wins Khan has had the past few years since Prescott, and they have been against over-rated power punchers (Malignaggi, Salita etc) or flukey technical decisions (MAB & McCloskey), although I agree McCloskey probably wouldn't have troubled him had the fight went on. I hope he doesn't get a rematch because he is the one fighter who never seems to give anyone a rematch when circumstances call for it, and in the Garcia fight it was hardly a contentious points win so why would or should Garcia bother.
Yeah, I agree with EG. All this talk about Khan boxing well and if he boxes smarter he can beat the better fighters. He's going to get caught at least once throughout a fight and if he can't take those shots, a heavy handed fighter will leave him on his ass every time.
As for his comments towards Froch, he's only a bigger name because he is, or at least was, the darling of the English media. Now that he's starting to get found out the Americans will drop him like a hot potato and when he's crawling around looking to fight lesser fighters or previous opponents, he'll soon realise he's not as hot a property as he would like to think.
I agree about his management, they all seem like gold digging and arrogant characters - a bit like Khan himself actually. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
On McCloskey, he doesn't have the power to batter anyone at that level. He's great at not getting hit but as he's normally standing with his hands at his side it only takes one wrong move to get emptied, just like it happened in his last fight, although he was caught repeatedly if memory serves me right.
I was never as happy to hear Garcia's father at the press conference afterwards saying they wouldn't consider a rematch as they are moving onto bigger and better things. Just like Khan had said at the McCloskey press conference afterwards, for all McCloskey's lack of impact in the early stages of that fight, it was a farcical decision to stop it and he probably deserved another crack at the time.
Quote from: Evil Genius on July 16, 2012, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 16, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
People calling for Khan to retire is premature in my opinion. He does need a lot of improvements as when he gets hit, his gameplan goes out the window, he needs to learn to cover up and survive.
It has been evident ever since he fought Breidis Prescott that Khan has got a "Glass Chin" i.e. when he ships a big shot, his brain scrambles and he's remains defenceless until either the bell goes or the Referee intervenes.
No amount of "improvement" or "cover up" will prevent him getting hit at least occasionally from when he meets top-class fighters, which means that for all his undoubted other skills etc, he can never be counted a top-class fighter himself.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 16, 2012, 10:22:12 AM
The punch that done the damage was sort of on the ear and neck if you look at it in slow mo, must have really fooked up his balance :o
Prescott's punches were nowhere near his ear or neck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0)
Glass Chin & a Glass neck then!!!
Quote from: screenmachine on July 16, 2012, 11:06:06 AM
Yeah, I agree with EG. All this talk about Khan boxing well and if he boxes smarter he can beat the better fighters. He's going to get caught at least once throughout a fight and if he can't take those shots, a heavy handed fighter will leave him on his ass every time.
As for his comments towards Froch, he's only a bigger name because he is, or at least was, the darling of the English media. Now that he's starting to get found out the Americans will drop him like a hot potato and when he's crawling around looking to fight lesser fighters or previous opponents, he'll soon realise he's not as hot a property as he would like to think.
I agree about his management, they all seem like gold digging and arrogant characters - a bit like Khan himself actually. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
On McCloskey, he doesn't have the power to batter anyone at that level. He's great at not getting hit but as he's normally standing with his hands at his side it only takes one wrong move to get emptied, just like it happened in his last fight, although he was caught repeatedly if memory serves me right.
I was never as happy to hear Garcia's father at the press conference afterwards saying they wouldn't consider a rematch as they are moving onto bigger and better things. Just like Khan had said at the McCloskey press conference afterwards, for all McCloskey's lack of impact in the early stages of that fight, it was a farcical decision to stop it and he probably deserved another crack at the time.
I may have to go take a shower after this but I agree with all of that!!
Amir's situation is reminding me of something similar that happened a few years back. Olympic Champion, Brtish, aspirations of a World Title, glass chin . . . Oh that's right!
(http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m347/Dirk_Thrust/RunFraudlyRuncopy.jpg)
There is a lot of hate for Khan but you guys cannot admit he isn't good to watch. I think its his faults that make him a must watch. He has speed and power to trouble opponents but he also has the ability of going from dominating a fight to utter meltdown with one punch such is his poor punch resistance. Perfect example was Saturday night and the fight with Madiana was the same, boxed brilliantly and then caught with one and the Jelly legs came.
Always makes good matches as well Khan and doesn't duck a challenge, gets a lot of bad press but he does aim to fight the best int the divisions.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 16, 2012, 06:36:53 PM
There is a lot of hate for Khan but you guys cannot admit he isn't good to watch. I think its his faults that make him a must watch. He has speed and power to trouble opponents but he also has the ability of going from dominating a fight to utter meltdown with one punch such is his poor punch resistance. Perfect example was Saturday night and the fight with Madiana was the same, boxed brilliantly and then caught with one and the Jelly legs came.
Always makes good matches as well Khan and doesn't duck a challenge, gets a lot of bad press but he does aim to fight the best int the divisions.
I'm not saying he's not good to watch but he's a complete tube. The way he behaved after the McCloskey and Peterson fights was an absolute disgrace. Let's be honest he's done nothing in his professional career that would suggest he can mix it with the big boys. Anyone he has fought has been a bum or else at the tail end of their career.
I love watching small lads with plenty of heart get the shite knocked out of them but they can't then turn around and say they should be in the ring with Mayweather/Pacquiao etc.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 16, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 16, 2012, 09:14:23 AM
Khan really does himself no favours does he??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18852698
QuoteBut Khan responded: "Carl's always got his little things to say and I'll leave it to that really. If he wants to retire he can retire.
"I'm in a tougher division, I'm fighting better opposition and I'm a bigger name than him. That's what burns him really.
Yeah for some reason I don't think Froch is too worried about what Khan has to say about him!!
Just after reading that on BBC, and thats one of the main reasons why I can't stand Khan. It was the same with the papers on Saturday, he was slabbering about how he was going to fight Mayweather next. How has he fought better opposition than Froch? Balls. As for it being a tougher division, I would also disagree. Look at the wins Khan has had the past few years since Prescott, and they have been against over-rated power punchers (Malignaggi, Salita etc) or flukey technical decisions (MAB & McCloskey), although I agree McCloskey probably wouldn't have troubled him had the fight went on. I hope he doesn't get a rematch because he is the one fighter who never seems to give anyone a rematch when circumstances call for it, and in the Garcia fight it was hardly a contentious points win so why would or should Garcia bother.
I'd be fairly confident in saying that I don't think anyone in world boxing has fought as consistently high a standard of opponent as Carl Froch has over the last 4 years:
Jean Pascal (then undefeated, goes on to win LHW title)
Jermain Taylor (two defeats to Pavlikk, previously dethroned Hopkins)
Andre Dirrell (undefeated at time)
Mikel Kessler (two defeats, one being one of the toughest fights of Calzaghe's career, the other being to "Son of God" who is so good he would be top fighter in most eras)
Artur Abraham (only a DQ loss on resume to Dirrell, pretty fearsome puncher though personally never convinced)
Glen Johnson (many more defeats on his resume than he should have - tough as nails)
Andre Ward (undefeated, possibly the next P4P number 1 when Mayweather hangs up the gloves)
Lucian Bute (undefeated and very well rated - talk of him being ill and so on, to be fair I didn't see him putting u any excuses - Froch battered him)
Jo
That is 8 seriously tough fights on the go. Not certain but possibly the only fights he would have gone in as favourite were Pascal and Johnson. I thought he lost to Dirrell mind but no shame at all in losing to Kessler and Ward.
Think a couple of lads on here being a tad disrespectful to DeMarcus Corley. They seem to know enough about his career to call him a journeyman but don't even know his name, speaks volumes. Any boxer that has gone the distance with Floyd Mayweather Jnr, lost on a split decision to Zab Judah, troubled Miguel Cotto must have some sort of boxing pedigree. There is no denying Paul McCloskey had a bad night at the office when he fought Corley, having title aspirations he not only had to beat him, he had to beat him convincingly. He left his strongest asset, his elusiveness, at home that night. I know he was happy with his training camp and couldn't pin point any weaknesses but his wife had a child during the training camp and I think that naturally took away his focus to an extent although he would most likely deny that.
Don't really want to go over the McCloskey vs Khan fight again it's been talked about enough ... although Khan was winning the fight in the early stages he was not winning convincingly, depite his best efforts he was not landing how he would have liked to. The fact was that McCloskey was denied his opportunity of executing the blueprint that was drawn up before the fight. Whether that blueprint would have gone to plan ? i'll never know and nor will anyone else, a bout can change in a matter of seconds ... but the circumstances in which he was denied the right to fight his fight was an injustice.
McCloskey has gone back to the drawing board and is prepared to start from almost scratch in his quest for a shot again. Once upon a time he was the headlining bouts in Belfast but on Thursday he'll be announced as appearing on the undercard of the Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez fight on the 22nd of September. Even with being on the undercard i'd be surprised if McCloskey's fans do not outnumber that of any other fighter on the night. Khan could take a couple of lessons from him on how to act outside of the ring and how to build up and retain a loyal fanbase. Don't get me wrong the 22nd of September isn't a contest to see who has the most fans, it is about belfast having a great night of boxing displaying all the local fighters with Martin lindsay and jamie conlan also involved. Brian Magee is also scheduled to be having his WBA super middleweight title shot against Karoly Balzsay on the same date but I would imagine that will be moved to another date.
I was truly delighted to see Garcia triumph at the weekend, I didn't see it coming and that element of surprise made it all the better. I think Khan refused to learn the lessons of the Peterson fight as he felt he had no lessons to learn with Peterson failing a drugs test. Perhaps he felt that a drug free Peterson would have lost and there was nothing to be worried about. When Khan gets in a bit of bother his boxing brain switches off, when the adrenalin kicks in he always seems to opt for fight rather than flight. This pursuit of the former is great for tv but it is never going to serve him well.
Even in victory I think Garica may be able to learn a thing or two from Khan. Does anyone else see the parallels between the two in respect of family involvement ? In the post fight conference, Garcia did not have time to finish his sentence in which he seemed set to say that he would offer Khan a rematch when his dad jumped in and made the decision for him. I've always felt that Khan's career has been badly handled due to the involvement of his family. On more than one occasion they've let their pursuit of money make decisions which have harmed Khan's career and also his image in the boxing world. Garcia's father has done nothing to suggest that he hasn't always put the interests of his son first but if Garcia is to make the step up to the next level (and I don't think that by defeating Khan he necessarily has) then he might want to surround himself with one or two more people that are a bit more angelic than Angel Garcia.
Urgent request for advice:
I was thinking of getting tickets for a fight between Andre Ward and Chad Dawson in September when myself and my boyfriend are over in SF.
Is that a fight that he would want to see? He's fairly interested in boxing and has been to a few fights in Vegas - will this live up to what he's seen before? Or are they two people that he'll never have heard of?
Book it. Big fight. If he has any notion of boxing he will know t!!hese guys and look forward to that fight
Quote from: bridgegael on July 17, 2012, 06:20:09 PM
Book it. Big fight. If he has any notion of boxing he will know t!!hese guys and look forward to that fight
+1, unlikely to be an exciting brawl but two very skilled boxers - if was me would be delighted!
Thanks - booked it so will report on Sunday how the surprise goes down. Just means I'll have to sit through it, but sure it is something different.
Rois, if Carlsberg did Girlfriends ......
You must be up there with the best girlfriends in the world, if I was your fella i'd propose to you after a surprise like that ... if things don't work out with your boyfriend give me a shout ;)
Would echo what bridgegael and Cike have said. There's only one bigger upcoming fight than this and that's Martinez and Chavez jr. But this is an exciting match up nonetheless. The number one light heavyweight facing the number one super middleweight - definitely worth a watch. I'd say your boyfriend will just be delighted to see Andre Ward in the flesh. Enjoy your trip !
Andre Ward is definitely a contender for P4P best in the World.
He cross trains a lot with the Diaz brothers in Lodi, California at Grace Jiu Jitsu. Wish MMA paid more money because he would be great to watch in the cage.
He is what boxing needs right now. All the ability and none of the arrogance of FMW
It looks like Adrien Broner fight against Vincente Escobedo is now back on.
The fight looked likely to be called off after Broner, who has been dubbed "The new Mayweather" failed to make weight. He weighed 13 pounds over the contracted weight this morning. But it looks like both sides have now come to an agreement with Escobedo getting an additional $400k for agreeing to the fight. They are fighting for the now vacant WBO super featherweight title as broner has been stripped of the title, the title is only on the line for Escobedo.
If anyone follows Broner's twitter account this scenario could have been forseen:
https://twitter.com/AdrienBroner/status/224619710354952193/photo/1
Bit of a disgrace, if i had paid money to go watch this fight i'd be pretty pissed off. Broner already being a big favourite now has to much of a weight advantage to make it a fair contest. But from what i've seen of him so far i'm not really that surprised at his lack of respect for his opponent or for the fans, comes across as a bit of a pr!ck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfZpbhg2Juk
I see that Enzo Calzaghe has offered to become Khan's coach. Not that i like to see Khan do well but it could be a move that makes sense. Khan would get the undivided attention he craves if he did join up with Calzaghe. Over the past 1/2 I think that Parkinson's disease is increasingly affecting Roach. I'm judging this mainly on the basis of interviews, his speech seems to have become increasingly disjointed. I wouldn't know an awful lot about Parkinson's but it clearly would impact his movement and if it did get much worse you would have to wonder would it still be wise (or beneficial) him putting on the pads and stepping in the ring for training.
As expected Broner coasted through that fight relatively unscatched with Escobedo's corner throwing in the towel towards the end of the 5th.
Once again Broner used the post fight interview to get more publicity and didn't take the opportunity to apologise for not making weight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkSsQ11Y4Ng
Can't blame Escobedo for taking the fight, with a newborn to support it would have been hard for him to turn down the extra money in a fight which he was always going to lose, he gets another crack at the belt from what I understand..
The fight didn't really tell us anything new about Broner, we won't find out anything new until he is put in with an opponent who will make him extend himself. That could come in the form of the winner of Ricky Burns vs Kevin Mitchell as Broner has now been named the number one contender by WBO and will most likely get a chance against whoever holds that belt after the fight in Glasgow on the 22nd of September.
Tickets went down really well - thanks for advice!
I like the look of Broner so far. Love the trash talk as well, great entertainment. As Floyd says every fight needs a pantomine villain and Broner looks happy enough to play that role. Cant wait to he moves up to 140
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
I like the look of Broner so far. Love the trash talk as well, great entertainment. As Floyd says every fight needs a pantomine villain and Broner looks happy enough to play that role. Cant wait to he moves up to 140
He more or less has already, came in way over the weight for the fight at the weekend ::)
Cant like Broner even though he is a good fighter, trying to duplicate PBF in every way......get your own style and personality you p***k >:(
Also, there isnt enough facepalms in this world for the hairbursh "joke" in the post fight interview.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2012, 09:24:01 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
I like the look of Broner so far. Love the trash talk as well, great entertainment. As Floyd says every fight needs a pantomine villain and Broner looks happy enough to play that role. Cant wait to he moves up to 140
He more or less has already, came in way over the weight for the fight at the weekend ::)
Cant like Broner even though he is a good fighter, trying to duplicate PBF in every way......get your own style and personality you p***k >:(
Also, there isnt enough facepalms in this world for the hairbursh "joke" in the post fight interview.
he's doing well at selling his fights, boxing would be boring if we didn't have people like him. His only problem is he is trying to be like floyd but doesn't have half the talent floyd had at that age.
Selling a pair of tickets for the Carl Frampton fight on the 22nd of September also featuring Paul McCloskey, Eamon O'Kane and Martin Lindsay on the undercard.
Unfortunately I am now going to be away from belfast that weekend and can't make the fight.
Bought the tickets as soon as they went on sale, they are very well located.
Face value for the tickets is £65 each.
PM me if interested, thanks.
Just got a text from one of my mates there to tell me that Kiko Martinez has pulled out of the Frampton fight.
Great timing for someone that is trying to sell tickets !!!
According to boxrec it looks like Frampton is now going to be fighting Steve Molitor, who is a former two time world champ.
Martinez was reportedly very poor in his warm up fight that he fought at the end of July at the Emerald bar (used to be the Devenish) and perhaps his withdrawal shouldn't be surprising. Molitor is still a very good fighter but I realise that without Martinez on it the bill doesn't have the same attraction.
Would take less than face value for tickets - if interested PM me.
Steve Molitor is definitely a step up from anyone Frampton has fought so far. Big test.
Completely agree gallsman and they've done well to get someone of Molitor's class at such short notice. However, after what kiko Martinez did to bernard Dunne, the frampton vs martinez fight did have an attraction for the irish fight fan but maybe it's a blessing for frampton. From what I heard Martinez looked poor in belfast when he fought in Belfast at the end of July. If Frampton beats Molitor it will be a well earned victory.
I'm gutted not to be making it but unfortunately not about Belfast that weekend.
Checked out his profile, 35 fights 2 loses and 12 KO's. By all accounts a very good fighter and will be tough for Carl. Should be a great night
It just looks like Martinez doesnt want any of Frampton if turth be told. Its a joke that someone can just pull out of a fight.
Paul McCloskey's opponent for the 22nd of September will be Manuel Perez. He's ranked number 9 by the WBA and I believe the bout will be for the WBA intercontinental title.
I see Hatton is making a comeback, suppose he will be safe enough as he is fighting the number one powder puncher Malignaggi.
Hard to blame him but the pros are a completely different game.
Nevin on verge of joining professionals
By Bernard O'Neill
Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Olympic silver medallist John Joe Nevin could be set to turn professional.
Nevin has resumed talks with Sauerland Promotions in Germany, who offered him a four-year pro deal before the London Olympics.
The 23-year-old bantamweight, who has also attracted interest from Barry McGuigan's stable, will travel to Germany to discuss the offer. However, the Irish elite champion, who boxes out of the Cavan BC, also said that he would love to go to the 2016 Olympics in Rio and win gold. But under current rules, pro boxers are barred from the Olympics.
Nevin declined to discuss any details of the previous contract offered or the signing-on fee. However, it is understood the signing-on fee has been doubled since his heroics in London last month.
Nevin said: "I'd love to be world champion at professional, it's one of my dreams. Also, now, I've got my Olympic medal. I've done what I wanted to as an amateur.
"They [Sauerland] had been in talks with me before the Olympics in February. The offer was good that time. They actually called me before the Late Late Show [on Friday night]. They're ringing me back on Wednesday and are having a contract put together. "They want to know would I consider it. I said I would. It is likely that I will probably go down that road if the offer [to remain amateur] is not right.
"They are going to give me a flight out for two days to show me the venue and to meet the lads."
I went to the Andre Ward fight last Sat in Oakland and I enjoyed it!! Pretty empty though - I imagined it would have been a sell out. The chants of "SOG" were a bit random...pretty holy man.
Lads can someone give me a brief report on the mcCloskey fight ? In a bar off Stephens green and the waa anchor of a bar manager wouldn't switch from the golf (which no one was watching) to the boxing in case it incited a few nordies to engage in some fisticuffs. Hope Frampton does the business.
McCloskey won handy enough, looked like Perez couldn't work out the southpaw stance for 6-7 rounds. McCloskey just boxed all night and didn't get involved in too much trading. Still had the hands down a bit which would be a worry against a bigger hitter but all in all a comfortable win and a step in the right direction!
Where does McCluskey go from here?
He was well beat by Khan, never mind the stoppage, he was never going to win that one.
Quote from: dillinger on September 22, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
Where does McCluskey go from here?
He was well beat by Khan, never mind the stoppage, he was never going to win that one.
He goes onto to prepare for his next fight. Why bring up the Khan debacle? There's a lot of water under the bridge since that farce. Dudey is a quare talent. In my opinion, to go beyond the European level, he needs a change in management. No disrespect to John and Co, but a fresh outlook for Dudey, who is still fighting in the last chance saloon is key
Frampton is some pup. He was on fire tonight
I know McCluskey is good but he will never win a World title.
He's deemed to fight for secondary titles.
Just back from the fights, McCloskey, as said here already would need to keep his gloves up the odd time. Was a strange fight with a bitta mouthing going on between themselves. Dudey won the fight, marginally I think but I think he will do well to get a shot at a title and win it.
Frampton was outstanding, never give your man a second, terrorised him form the the start and was very cool and focused throughout. Was an enjoyable fight and he's maybe two fights away from a world title shot I'd say. Don't think the ref should have stopped it but Carl had won every round easy up to the stoppage.
Quote from: dillinger on September 22, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
I know McCluskey is good but he will never win a World title.
He's deemed to fight for secondary titles.
Likeable fella and by all accounts a real down to earth lad but he's nowhere good enough to fight for World titles. European level is his level imo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/19690698
Some fight last weekend, Chavez Jr nearly did a rocky. 8/9 rounds down with 2 to go, warmed up in the 11th, and laid him out in the 12th, but Martinez hung on.
You gotta love Freddie Roach though, honesty is a Breath of fresh air in trainers...
Then the dumbass failed a dope test for marijuana, boxers never learn.
who failed the test?
chavez jr
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8415731/julio-cesar-chavez-jr-takes-full-responsibility-positive-drug-test
A rematch between Paul McCloskey and Amir Khan set for the 8th or 15th of December in Manchester is very close to being confirmed.
Khan is very keen on having a fight before christmas. He has just appointed Virgil Hunter (Andre Ward's coach during the super six) as his new coach after his ultimatum to Freddie Roach of "Drop Pacquiao and Chavez Jr and I will stay with you" ??? ??? ??? surprisingly failed ;D
Sometimes a bad performance can open doors just as much as a good performance can.
Think back to Macklin's poor performance against Ruben Varon - Felix Sturm watched that and thought he had nothing to fear in giving Macklin a world tile shot.
I think likewise Khan has been paying attention to McCloskey's recent performance and feels that he has nothing to fear in agreeing to the rematch that he said would never happen.
Hopefully the match is made and hopefully Khan come mid- December will regret that decision.
Hatton's comeback opponent has been announced - Vyacheslav Senchenko
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/19756446
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 28, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
Hatton's comeback opponent has been announced - Vyacheslav Senchenko
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/19756446
What would be Frampton's best route to a title fight Atticus?
The four belt holders in Frampton's division are:
Nonito Donaire
Toshiaki Nishioka
Rigondeaux
Abner Mares
If I was involved with Frampton's camp, I would be targeting Mares who is holding the WBC belt.
He has a fight in November and even if the belt changes hands i'd still be going after that. I would be avoiding the other three for as long as possible. I know next to nothing about the Japanese guy but I reckon anyone is going to have a tricky away day if they want his belt. The other two belt holders are class acts.
In terms of how to get that shot he definitely isn't a million miles away. He has a big domestic fight in the form of Scott Quigg which has to happen sooner or later.
If he comes through that I would put him in against an aging Rafael Marquez.
Then he would have the sufficient platform and ring experience for a shot at whoever was the WBC belt holder.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 28, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
The four belt holders in Frampton's division are:
Nonito Donaire
Toshiaki Nishioka
Rigondeaux
Abner Mares
If I was Frampton's advisers I would be targeting Mares who is holding the WBC belt.
He has a fight in November and even if the belt changes hands i'd still be going after that. I would be avoiding the other three for as long as possible. I know next to nothing about the Japanese guy but I reckon anyone is going to have a tricky away day if they want his belt. The other two belt holders are class acts.
In terms of how to get that shot he definitely isn't a million miles away. He has a big domestic fight in the form of Scott Quigg which has to happen sooner or later.
If he comes through that I would put him in against an aging Rafael Marquez.
Then he would have the sufficient platform and ring experience for a shot at whoever was the WBC belt holder.
Rigondeaux is one of the best amateurs ever and think beat Ricardo Cordoba (remember his fight against B. Dunne?) in his 7th fight. And of course he fairly walloped "Big Bang" Casey. Donaire is considered highly P4P and is very powerful.
Mares won a tournament in including Vic Darchinyan, Agbeko and Yohnny Perez and is tough as nails.
Not seen much of Frampton but he'd need to be a serious operator to be stepping in the ring with any of them. Likewise haven't a clue about the Japanese guy.
I was away from Belfast and didn't make the fight. Heard nothing about any trouble though. I think Milltown Row and Fuzzman made the fight so maybe they can confirm otherwise.
Khan confirmed his next opponent as Carlos Molina for December.
McCloskey and Khan were in talks, khan's camp contacted McCloskey's people and from what I understand a deal was close but obviously hasn't materialised.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 29, 2012, 11:22:19 AM
I was away from Belfast and didn't make the fight. Heard nothing about any trouble though. I think Milltown Row and Fuzzman made the fight so maybe they can confirm otherwise.
Khan confirmed his next opponent as Carlos Molina for December.
McCloskey and Khan were in talks, khan's camp contacted McCloskey's people and from what I understand a deal was close but obviously hasn't materialised.
ah balls, that is a pity. Not sure McCloskey would have won but stoppage was a joke. Never heard of Molina.
Quote from: hardstation on September 29, 2012, 12:25:44 AM
No word on hear about the 'riot' in the Odyssey last week?
I know a boy who does the bar and according to him it's the worst he's seen in his 5 years working there. Said they closed all the bars for an hour. Women carried out on stretchers etc.
Heard was between Frampton's crowd and Divis ones and happened about 8pm--well before fight
I was at Rogan/Fury fight and the fighting was nuts--travellers bloodied all over the place--was like bein on a movie set. Not a safe spot, full of hoods off their heads, i'll not be back
Quote from: hardstation on September 29, 2012, 12:25:44 AM
No word on hear about the 'riot' in the Odyssey last week?
I know a boy who does the bar and according to him it's the worst he's seen in his 5 years working there. Said they closed all the bars for an hour. Women carried out on stretchers etc.
Aye was such a volatile place, Tigers Bay, Divis and Dungiven FFS, Andre Shoukri was there with a bunch of cronies also. We'd a 4 young kids with us and all the hallions outside drinking. Most never came in till the the last 2 fights.
There was a few dust ups in the toilets. The worst was the women, never heard such language come from women's mouths
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 28, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
The four belt holders in Frampton's division are:
Nonito Donaire
Toshiaki Nishioka
Rigondeaux
Abner Mares
If I was involved with Frampton's camp, I would be targeting Mares who is holding the WBC belt.
He has a fight in November and even if the belt changes hands i'd still be going after that. I would be avoiding the other three for as long as possible. I know next to nothing about the Japanese guy but I reckon anyone is going to have a tricky away day if they want his belt. The other two belt holders are class acts.
In terms of how to get that shot he definitely isn't a million miles away. He has a big domestic fight in the form of Scott Quigg which has to happen sooner or later.
If he comes through that I would put him in against an aging Rafael Marquez.
Then he would have the sufficient platform and ring experience for a shot at whoever was the WBC belt holder.
Frampton's potential next opponent is discussed by Eddie Hearn http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/19817479
Three names are mentioned - Rafael Marquez, Rico Ramos and Jeffrey Mathebula.
Out of those I would be definitely going for Rafael Marquez, a win for Frampton would see him rated on the cusp of the top 5.
Interesting that while it appears that Kiko Martinez will be overlooked (and rightly so), he's a promoters nightmare, that there was no mention of Scott Quigg or Rendell Munroe.
I think it is Hearn's way of telling Ricky Hatton (Quigg's promoter, not sure how the recent comeback announcement affects his promoter duties?) and Joe Gallagher that Frampton doesn't need to get past Quigg to get his shot but I have no doubt Sky will be pushing for this match to be made.
Great thread on the Guardian's boxing site today- the 6 greatest rounds of boxing ever.
I have to say that it doesn't include the most unbelievable round that I have ever seen, which was round 11 of the Chris Eubank - Michael Watson fight here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3PtLoMP04w)
From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/oct/05/joy-of-six-great-rounds-boxing
1) Marvin Hagler v Thomas Hearns, first round, Las Vegas, 15 April 1985 (Hagler won by third-round knockout)
It was billed, simply, as The Fight. Marvellous Marvin Hagler, the undisputed middleweight champion of the world and unbeaten since 1976, against the world's best light-middleweight, Tommy 'The Hitman' Hearns.
Hagler could box, brawl, switch-hit, punch – and his shaven skull seemed impervious to pain. Few disputed his claim never to have been hurt in the ring. Even so, many smart analysts believed Hearns possessed the tools to trouble him: he was four inches taller, a smart boxer and his outstanding record – 40-1 with 35 knockouts – advertised his punching power. Hearns was briefly a betting favourite in the week leading up to the fight. The big question was, could he use his physical advantages to outbox Hagler?
The Caesar's Palace crowd never got a chance to find out. In the ring beforehand, Tommy's brother Billy taunted Hagler as he shadowboxed. "I saw him," Hagler said later. "I was thinking right then: 'All you're gonna do is get your brother's ass kicked.'"
Hagler was as good as his word. He leapt off his stool and threw a hard right, which missed, followed by a left to the body that sent Hearns towards the ropes. As Hugh McIllvaney wrote in the Observer: "The fighter who had come off the stool at him when the first bell sounded was not a Marvin Hagler anyone had ever seen before. He was a man possessed, the very incarnation of furious hostility, an enemy who shrank the ring with the heat of his malevolent intent."
Hearns, who believed that a pre-fight massage had weakened his legs, decided he had no choice but to pour hot oil on Hagler's raging fire.
He threw four hard right hands in a row, including a brutal uppercut that forced Hagler to clinch. In a matter of seconds the pattern had been set, the rules of combat laid down: Hagler the hunter, Hearns firing back at every opportunity. The gasps from the crowd whenever a punch landed told their own story.
With just over a minute left of the round, Hagler was cut on the top of his forehead. Unbeknown to anyone, Hearns had also broken his right hand on Hagler's skull. But they continued to unload bombs, with Hagler wobbling Hearns just before the bell, before glaring at him as he walked back to his corner.
As McIllvaney wrote: "Hooks, swings and anything else that might rock or demoralize Hearns were hurled across with what might have been mistaken for wild abandon. In fact, only Hagler's spirit was really wild, for there was always a pronounced element of calculation in what he did with those powerful arms ... the surge of mayhem seemed to go on forever".
It was all too much for Harry Mullan, the editor of Boxing News, who confessed: "I was praying for it to end, I thought I was going to have a heart-attack."
Unsurprisingly Hagler, never a sentimentalist, took a different view. "I was sorry to see that round end," he said. "I hated to give Tommy a chance to go back to his corner and recover."
Two rounds later, Hagler got his man, chopping him down to the canvas.
But Hearns played his part too. As his trainer Emanuel Steward later revealed: "After the first round his hand was broke and his legs were gone. But that night Tommy told me not to mention anything about the hand. He said he didn't want to take anything away from Hagler's victory. That's the kind of guy Tommy was."
2) Jack Dempsey v Luis Angel Firpo, first round, New York, 14 September 1923 (Dempsey won by second-round knockout)
"Has there ever been a fighter quite like the young Dempsey? — the very embodiment of hunger, rage, the will to do hurt; the spirit of the Western frontier come East to win his fortune" asked Joyce Carol Oates in her book On Boxing. Not on this day. Not perhaps ever.
In 1916 Jack Dempsey arrived in New York as a nobody with less than $30 in his pocket. Three years, and several adventures later, he was heavyweight champion of the world. By 1923 he was the biggest star of boxing's first golden age. His nickname, the Manassa Mauler, gave advance warning of his intentions; in the ring, his fists rarely did.
His opponent, Luis Angel Firpo — who was three inches taller and 30lbs bigger — had earned his shot at the title having won 13 fights in 17 months, mostly by knockout. Firpo was billed by Dempsey's promoter, Tex Rickard, as the Wild Bull of the Pampas. Not everyone in the fight game was convinced – the Argentinian enjoyed eating more than anything else and reporters noted how he would "stuff himself to bursting point, point, pause, ask for more, and then drop off to sleep" — but the public certainly were. 86,000 people crammed into New York's Polo Grounds for the fight, and it needed hundreds of mounted police to maintain order.
Just before the men entered the ring, Rickard came to see Dempsey in his dressing room and told him: "We got another million dollar gate! If you put him away with the first punch, all those people out there won't get their money's worth."
"Listen Tex ... Firpo is a slugger," replied Dempsey. "He could kill me with one punch."
"But, Jack, how is he going to hit you? He's slow and hits like an old tub. I hate to think of all them nice millionaires going out here sore at both of us."
"Go to hell!"
In the ring the two boxers shook hands, paused for photographs, and then set about tearing strips off each other. As the bell sounded, Dempsey charged at his bigger opponent, who cuffed him to the ground with his giant fists. It was a flash knockdown, and Dempsey bounced back up and into range: bobbing, weaving, sometimes holding, but mostly swinging. Firpo fired back, usually with an overhand right.
Both men fought as if throwing a jab had been outlawed, and taking a voluntary step backwards would leave a permanent stain on their masculinity.
A thudding right to the body put Firpo down for a three count. Clubbing left hooks and right uppercuts, from close range, dropped him for a second and third time. Yet the Argentinian got up and kept throwing bombs. Dempsey — the faster man — responded with more violence. A hurtful hook to the body left Firpo on the canvas for the fourth time, arms outstretched overhead and body occasionally twitching as if a low current were running through it. Somehow he got up at nine. In those days, there was no neutral corner — a rule that was only brought in after this fight — so as Firpo staggered up, Dempsey put him down for the fifth time.
Firpo remained determined to live up to his nickname. A wild overhand right sent Dempsey tipsy, and although the American's gloves touched the floor, no count was adminstered. The brawl continued. A right cross knocked Firpo down for a sixth time; a short left uppercut put him down for the seventh time a few seconds later.
"He wouldn't stay down — the lust to kill was burning in his eyes, and nothing was going to stop him," remembered Dempsey in his autobiography. Suddenly he was hit with an overhand right. Then another. And another, which sent him flying through the ropes and on top of the sportswriters and their typewriters below.
As Dempsey later remembered. "Everyone was yelling. It was pitch dark for a few seconds, then I managed to focus on Firpo's fuzzy form in the ring. I don't remember climbing back in the ring but I remember seeing about 20 Firpos standing in front of me."
Dempsey survived to the bell. "I mumbled to [his trainer] Doc [Kearns]: 'What round was I knocked out in? What's all the fuss?'"
"'You son-of-a-bitch, you weren't knocked out! Get in there fast and box this guy. Finish it!' I crashed a left to his jaw and Firpo went down as if he had been struck by lightning."
The fight was over 57 seconds into the second round. "Every blow Firpo landed staggered me," admitted Dempsey. But he survived. Dempsey was always a survivor.
3) Riddick Bowe v Evander Holyfield I, 10th round, Las Vegas, 13 November 1992 (Bowe won by unanimous decision)
By late 1992, Evander Holyfield was the head of a church with few believers. After knocking out a blubbery Buster Douglas to become a heavyweight champion, Holyfield had gone the distance twice against Larry Holmes and George Foreman (combined age: 84) and had been rocked to his soles by Smoking Bert Cooper, before rallying to win in seven.
Most regarded Holyfield as a puffed-up cruiserweight with Venice Beach muscles — and Mike Tyson, by now festering in prison after being convicted of rape, as the true champion.
No one doubted that Riddick Bowe, all 6ft 5in of him, was a genuine heavyweight. Or that he had decent skills and a weighty clip. But the same knocks were heard repeatedly. The laziness. The ill-discipline. The fact that every time saw a cake he wanted to eat it. But after what Bowe's manager Rock Newton called the best training camp ever, he was ready.
The fight was always close and enthralling, but by the time the ninth was put to bed Bowe appeared to have an answer for everything that was put to him. When Holyfield stayed on the outside he was out-jabbed; up close he was out-powered by a man 30lbs heavier.
The bell sounded for the 10th. The fighters entered mid-ring. Bowe stuck with a right to the body followed by a uppercut of such viciousness it sent Holyfield's legs tumbling towards the ropes and his senses into la-la-land. Somehow Holyfield stood upright, taking the licks, before daring to walk forward towards Bowe, a manoeuvre that appeared as futile as a first world war private marching towards machine gun fire.
"He hit me so hard, and my eyes were swollen up so I couldn't see," remembers Holyfield. "Riddick Bowe used to be my sparing partner. He was a smart fighter with good hand speed, but he was known for running out of gas. Why didn't he run out of gas? [But] if you can still feel the pain, then you're still in the game. It's when you don't feel the pain you're out."
Finally, after nearly two minutes of constant pressure, "the storm got quiet", to use Holyfield's evocative phrase. "Uh-no, now, oh boy, I'm gonna hurt you," he said to himself. And for the last 30 seconds of the round he did just that, slinging potshots from every angle.
Just for good measure, the pair were still going several seconds after the bell. As they were finally separated, Bowe gave Holyfield an affectionate tap. "I was impressed with him, you know, so I patted him on the stomach to say well done," he said afterwards.
It looked as if Holyfield was on top. But he had little left to give. He was down in the 11th and lost a wide points decision 115-112, 117-110, 117-110. Holyfield had been doubted before, when he moved up to heavyweight, and he would be doubted again, particularly before his first fight with Mike Tyson in 1996. But after such a defiant and belligerent stand, few would ever claim he was a puffed up cruiserweight ever again. He was the Real Deal.
4) Micky Ward v Arturo Gatti I, ninth round, Uncasville, Connecticut, May 18 2002 (Ward won by majority decision)
Can a contest between two evenly matched boxers ever be too brutal? So savage that, even as a fan, you grimace while admiring the seemingly limitless capacity to absorb punishment? If so, the ninth round of the first fight in the Micky Ward v Arturo Gatti trilogy is a category-one case study.
All 10 rounds were a blue-collar brawl par excellence. Subtlety was tossed into the wash bucket at the opening bell. Defence became an unfathomable foreign language. And the ninth? Well, that was something else. The Compubox stats showed that Gatti landed with 42 of 61 power punches, with Ward connecting with 60 of 82. As the two men staggered back to their corners, Emanuel Steward, breathless and high on adrenaline, announced: "This should be the round of the century."
When Gatti was dropped by a Ward left to the body after 15 seconds, Steward didn't think he could survive, warning: "It's not like a head shot." But survive Gatti did. Despite blinking out of his right eye, he fought back. Every hook to the body had Ward nodding in grim appreciation. For a time he was pinned to the ropes, taking punishment, before landing two enormous rights.
This was a Rocky film played for real. When HBO commentator Jim Lampley announced: "Can you believe there's still a minute and a half to go in the round?" he was merely echoing the stunned thoughts of those watching.
Ward was dominating to such an extent that, according to Eric Raskin, the former managing editor of the Ring, Gatti's trainer Buddy McGirt "climbed the steps, white towel in hand, prepared to stop the fight with about 30 seconds to go" but referee Frank Cappuccino didn't see him.
And so it went on. Gatti survived. Ward won the fight by a majority decision. And the two men went on to do it twice more, with Gatti getting his revenge and then winning the rubber match.
5) Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales I, fifth round, Las Vegas 19 February 2000 (Morales won by split decision)
After sharing an emergency room in a Connecticut hospital following their first fight, Ward and Gatti became close friends and golfing buddies. Dempsey, meanwhile, recalls his delight at meeting Firpo again in Argentina 1960. At the end of his visit Firpo "draped his massive arm across my shoulders ... and handed me an envelope, telling me not to open it until I reached New York ... Ripping it open I found, in large denominations, $20,000, with a note simply stating: 'Just a small token of friendship and appreciation from one old friend to another ...'"
This is hardly unique. Smashing 50 shades of black and blue into each other, and them becoming good mates, is what boxers often do. But not Barrera and Morales, whose shared antipathy has remained undiminished by 36 rounds of combat or the passing of time. The animosity surfaced when Barrera called Morales "an Indian" on a Mexican TV. Morales retaliated by suggesting Barrera was a homosexual after which Barrera did this. Both were Mexican legends; both wanted to be top dog.
In the ring, though, the pair were a perfect couple. Technically gifted, highly-energetic, and with a thirst for combat that would have impressed Pancho Villa. When Arturo Gatti was asked about his favourite fight of all time, he plumped for Barrera v Morales I, which was named Fight of the Year by Ring magazine. And the fifth round — a fast-handed, back-and-forth technical slugfest of the highest order -was the pick of the bunch.
6) George Foreman v Ron Lyle, fourth round, Las Vegas, 24 January 1976 (Foreman won by KO in the fifth)
George Foreman the brutaliser. George Foreman the bully. George Foreman slain at Muhammad Ali's feet. These are the enduring images of Foreman in the 1970s. As usual, Hugh McIllvaney's description of him –"a man who shrinks the ring the moment he rises from the stool, and punches as if he has promised to deliver his victim piece by piece to someone in the tenth row" – was on the money.
Most of Foreman's opponents – famously Joe Frazier, twice, and Kenny Norton – were swatted away with the impatient disdain of a brute annoyed by a pesky fly. Even Ali, who beat him brilliantly, absorbed huge amounts of punishment before finishing what was left of him in the eighth. Arguably only Ron Lyle went at it toe-to-toe, blow-for-blow, with Foreman in his near-prime, in a half-forgotten classic.
Lyle, one of 19 brothers and sisters, only turned pro at 30 after spending seven years in prison for second degree murder following the shooting of a rival gang member. "We were all in it together. I was involved," Lyle told the Denver Post, before admitting he could have received a reduced sentence if he had revealed the killer. "But where do you live after that?" While inside Lyle was also stabbed in the stomach, and was twice pronounced dead on the operating table. After what he had gone through, fighting Big Bad George was a breeze.
Lyle had already had one shot at the world title, losing to Ali after being stopped while ahead, while Foreman was having his first proper fight – there had been a farcical exhibition where he boxed five times in one night – since the Rumble in the Jungle.
The fight started steadily; Lyle hurt Foreman, who was sluggish and easy to hit, in the first, Foreman, returned the compliment in the second, the third was split. And then came the incredible fourth stanza.
First Lyle felled Foreman with a seven-punch combination: right to the body, left hook, right hand, right uppercut, left hook, right hook, left hook, every shot laced with venom. But Foreman, who had a remarkable chin, recovered, and was soon trading blows in the middle of the ring. Three left hooks had Lyle's head wobbling; a hard right put him away.
Somehow Lyle rolled himself over and clawed himself up. But he looked spent. Foreman spent the next minute firstly prodding away at him on the ropes, looking for the finisher, before – incredibly – connecting with seven consecutive left hooks. In desperation, Lyle throw a Hail Mary left hook in retaliation before, after another wild exchange, dropping Foreman again with just three seconds to go in the round.
"I'll never forget that night, Ronnie Lyle is the hardest puncher I've ever been in with," said Foreman, who afterwards admitted he was "rusty", adding: "There's no substitute for action in the ring. Whether you are a piano player or a boxer you've got to have action."
The fifth round was just as brutal, with both men staggered again before Foreman sent Lyle face-first into the canvas to finish the fight. Unsurprisingly, the Ring Magazine made the fourth and fifth rounds joint-winners of their 'best round of 1976' poll.
Cheers for posting HB. One round that could have been arguably included was the tenth round of Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo from their first fight in 2005.
Not only a great round but a great fight, was fight of the year. Youtube the tenth round. You won't spend 3 minutes today doing anything more worthwhile than that !
QuoteCheers for posting HB. One round that could have been arguably included was the tenth round of Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo from their first fight in 2005.
Not only a great round but a great fight, was fight of the year. Youtube the tenth round. You won't spend 3 minutes today doing anything more worthwhile than that !
+1 though I don't think the Bowe Holyfield one deserves to be in with the other 5
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 05, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Cheers for posting HB. One round that could have been arguably included was the tenth round of Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo from their first fight in 2005.
Not only a great round but a great fight, was fight of the year. Youtube the tenth round. You won't spend 3 minutes today doing anything more worthwhile than that !
Can't argue with that!
It's hard to call these rounds the greatest as we all have our own based on situations and times. Mine our clouded by the nostalgia of sitting at home up late on a very rare occasion watching these in the living room with my Dad. Bowe Holyfield was a great Rd but wouldn't be top 5. Great repost though, thanks for sharing.
Quote from: The Iceman on October 05, 2012, 03:18:33 PM
It's hard to call these rounds the greatest as we all have our own based on situations and times. Mine our clouded by the nostalgia of sitting at home up late on a very rare occasion watching these in the living room with my Dad. Bowe Holyfield was a great Rd but wouldn't be top 5. Great repost though, thanks for sharing.
Christ that brings me back about 15 or so years, coming home after TG'S and putting the fight on, my da coming down the stairs and me, mates and brothers all half gone watching the fight with my Da!! He must have thought he was in the fight with all of us jumping, shouting and drinking into the wee hours!!
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 05, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Cheers for posting HB. One round that could have been arguably included was the tenth round of Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo from their first fight in 2005.
Not only a great round but a great fight, was fight of the year. Youtube the tenth round. You won't spend 3 minutes today doing anything more worthwhile than that !
this one was always going to get mentioned! Not sure have seen better.
Another good one was Benn- McClellan 1 though obviously fight has sad result.
Not exactly the same thing but one of the great rounds i've seen produced by a boxer was round one by Lennox Lewis v Razor Ruddock. In the days when Lewis was interested in fighting
Surely we have now seen the end of Fraudley once and for all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7QrS7XLhIQ
You can skip to 4:20, you won't have missed anything. I thought Fraudley might have kept him at bay for 3-4 rounds but it was "Good night Fraudley" after the first meaningful punch landed.
In contrast to this joke of a contest was Brandon Rios vs Mike Alvarado which took place last night/early hours and lived up to expectations. Brandon Rios won by TKO in the 7th, felt the ref should have gave Alvarado a standing count rather than wave it off. Would not mind seeing a rematch of this bout.
Rios carried his chin and power after stepping up to light welterweight and is being suggested as an opponent for the winner of Pacquiao vs Marquez rematch.
Just about to catch up on the Donaire fight, did my best to try and avoid knowing the outcome but know Donaire won as expected. I'm sure Carl Frampton was watching this contest with both fighters representing the elite of his division.
I think you're a bit hard on Price there Atticus. On paper Harrison was a logical fight for him and he won it well. Rubbishing Harrison (deservedly) can often distract people from the guy who looked great against him.
Price has not been completely tested but he has all the tools and i really like his prospects at this stage. He is being managed correctly and climbing his way up slowly and hopefully in December we see what he is made of.
Price has done nothing wrong so far, like you say managed well and is improving all the time, his power is serious. The ko on Saturday was brutal, irrespective of Audley's fall from grace (well from being an Olympic gold medallist not generally from his pro career).
It'd be great to see Price v Fury next, although the promoters may want to let it drag on a bit longer. Fury had a small go at Price on Saturday;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tysons-fury-watch-as-british-heavyweight-1379911
Price is a much more humble and likeable fellow than Fury and I think he'd have too much power for him.
Quote from: glens73 on October 15, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Price has done nothing wrong so far, like you say managed well and is improving all the time, his power is serious. The ko on Saturday was brutal, irrespective of Audley's fall from grace (well from being an Olympic gold medallist not generally from his pro career).
It'd be great to see Price v Fury next, although the promoters may want to let it drag on a bit longer. Fury had a small go at Price on Saturday;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tysons-fury-watch-as-british-heavyweight-1379911
Price is a much more humble and likeable fellow than Fury and I think he'd have too much power for him.
I hope they fight soon, but what channel would get to show the fight? Can't see it happening for a while, but who really ruined the chance of the fight happening the first time - Fury, Price or the promoters? Price is a monster of a man, the height of both him and Fury is unreal. Would love to see one of them fight a Klitschko simply to see what it would be like for a fight involving one of the brothers to be decided by boxing and not simply the physical advantages they have over the majority of fighters they fight.
Quote from: The Iceman on October 15, 2012, 06:20:51 PM
I think you're a bit hard on Price there Atticus. On paper Harrison was a logical fight for him and he won it well. Rubbishing Harrison (deservedly) can often distract people from the guy who looked great against him.
Price has not been completely tested but he has all the tools and i really like his prospects at this stage. He is being managed correctly and climbing his way up slowly and hopefully in December we see what he is made of.
I said nothing above that was intended to detract from Price ?? He can only beat who is in front of him and who he is put in with by his management but Harrison didn't land /take a meaningful punch. It doesn't do boxing any favours when complete mismatches like that are made !
Price does seem a likeable lad and is primed to step into the void the Klitschko's will leave when they hang up the gloves.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 16, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: glens73 on October 15, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Price has done nothing wrong so far, like you say managed well and is improving all the time, his power is serious. The ko on Saturday was brutal, irrespective of Audley's fall from grace (well from being an Olympic gold medallist not generally from his pro career).
It'd be great to see Price v Fury next, although the promoters may want to let it drag on a bit longer. Fury had a small go at Price on Saturday;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tysons-fury-watch-as-british-heavyweight-1379911
Price is a much more humble and likeable fellow than Fury and I think he'd have too much power for him.
I hope they fight soon, but what channel would get to show the fight? Can't see it happening for a while, but who really ruined the chance of the fight happening the first time - Fury, Price or the promoters? Price is a monster of a man, the height of both him and Fury is unreal. Would love to see one of them fight a Klitschko simply to see what it would be like for a fight involving one of the brothers to be decided by boxing and not simply the physical advantages they have over the majority of fighters they fight.
Ultimately it will depend which promoter wins the bid.
I think it will most likely be Channel 5 (Mick Hennessy/Tyson Fury) vs Boxnation (Maloney/Price). Sky basically shunned Maloney, they've no contract with Sky and while i have no doubt sky would like to show it they're unlikely to get it.
Personally i'd like to see Channel 5 get it, they've made a valiant attempt to bring back boxing to terrrestial tv. A big fight like that being shown on terrestial tv can only be good for boxing.
Just back from the bar where I learned of Manny Steward's passing on sky sports news.
Very saddened to hear about that, didn't realise the extent of his illness.
The list of champions he has worked with, speaks for itself. He was an excellent commentator and always came across as a gentleman.
The Kronk gym will live on and will undoubtedly continue to produce world champions for years to come.
I was probably one brew past bedtime when I posted the above. In the cold light of day I thought to myself will the Kronk gym actually survive without Manny Steward ? The below is what I came up with, welcome any feedback:
FUTURE OF KRONK GYM IN DOUBT AFTER THE DEATH OF BOXING LEGEND EMANUEL STEWARD
Rumours of his death had circulated for weeks but the final bell on Emanuel Steward's battle with stomach cancer tolled last Thursday evening. The legendary boxing trainer passed away at the age of 68. Regarded by many as the best boxing trainer of his generation, Steward trained a record 43 world champions more than any other trainer.
As a boxer Steward compiled an amateur record of 93 wins and three losses before expressing an interest in training fighters. He embarked on his true calling in 1971 when he became a part time coach at the Kronk gym. He soon established a successful stable of amateur fighters and gave up his job as an electrician to concentrate on coaching. In 1977, after receiving financial support from wealthy sponsors of the gym, Steward became a professional trainer with Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns. It was as Hearn's trainer that Steward started to get recognition as a great trainer. Hearns was part of a quartet of middleweight fighters along with Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler that between them produced a riveting series of bouts that helped revive the sport of boxing.
In more recent times Steward's success came on the heavyweight boxing scene. Lennox Lewis sought out Steward after losing his WBC belt to Oliver McCall in 1993. Under Steward's tutelage, Lewis went on to not only reclaim the WBC belt but also became the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world when he defeated Evander Holyfield in 1999. Following Lewis' retirement in 2004, Steward went on to work with Wladimir Klitschko. In his first fight under Steward, Klitschko was defeated by Lamon Brewster. The defeat prompted Steward to go back to basics with Klitschko focusing primarily on his footwork. While this old school approach was initially to Klitschko's chagrin it clearly reaped dividends as Klitschko has not been defeated since then and is ranked as the number one heavyweight in the world.
Steward's boxing wisdom was not just confined to boxing rings and gyms. The public were granted access to Steward's boxing knowledge and tactical insights through his boxing analyst role at HBO whom he worked for from 2001 up until September when he was hospitalised on account of his illness.
Limerick boxer, Andy Lee will be hugely impacted by Steward's death. Steward was in Lee's corner as recently as June, when Lee was defeated by Julio Chavez Junior. Lee credits Steward with plucking him from relative obscurity in Ireland and believing in him. Lee, who lived with Steward in recent years, paid tribute to him from his twitter account:
"Thank you to everyone who sent messages of condolence for Emanuel. It's a sad day. He was a great man who will be sorely missed. "Lee now faces the painful process of finding a new trainer, replacing a trainer of the calibre of Steward will be no easy task. Fellow Kronk fighter, Wladimir Klitshcko who steps into the ring again on the 11th of November against Mariuz Wach has kept his trainer Kronk gym based by turning to fellow Steward prodigee, Jonathon Banks. While life must go on for the Kronk fighters, the future of the Kronk gym is now uncertain after the death of Steward.
Steward not only had a transformative effect on many of his fighters but he also transformed the Kronk gym from a basement in a community centre into a stable of champion fighters who wore the famous red and gold colours associated with gym throughout the world. Just 24 hours after Steward's death at the request of his sister, Diane Steward-Jones, the famous red and gold Kronk gym sign was taken down from the front of the Detroit gym. In addition to this, fight photos and posters as well as the boxing ring were removed from the gym. Steward-Jones defended this move by insisting she was protecting the legacy of her brother.
"There are people in the gym, scavengers; who would try and take everything out of my brother's gym. I've alerted the police. People are not going to rape and ravage that place. There will be nothing left. The ring is even being removed." Steward-Jones has said she will consider locking the gym which would result in dozens of fighters seeking a new boxing home.
Steward and the Kronk gym may prove to have had a symbiotic relationship, a relationship where both parties depend on each other for survival. His role at the Kronk gym gave him the opportunity to make a significant contribution to world boxing over the last 30 years. This contribution was fully recognised when he was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1996. With the passing of man known to many as the "Godfather of Detroit boxing", the future of the Kronk gym now looks as bleak as its sign less exterior.
Atticus Finch
Thats a great piece Atticus. Well done. Not a huge boxing fan myself but found that to be genuinely interesting
Is this the real Mickey Linden?
If yes, Hello Mickey - I think you are brilliant.
If not, I think it's brilliant that you've chosen Mickey Linden as your name, when it's not your name.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on October 30, 2012, 04:54:55 PM
Is this the real Mickey Linden?
If yes, Hello Mickey - I think you are brilliant.
If not, I think it's brilliant that you've chosen Mickey Linden as your name, when it's not your name.
??? ??? ???
Thanks ML for the feedback and thanks for drawing out a great post from Aristo.
Aristo - I don't know where you have been going trick or treating ... but I think you may have been given disco biscuits instead of your run of the mill biscuits by mistake. Enjoy your holidays.
http://www.vipboxsports.eu/boxing/100993/1/wladimir-klitschko-vs-mariusz-wach-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxsports.eu/boxing/100993/1/wladimir-klitschko-vs-mariusz-wach-live-stream-online.html)
Painful to watch, that was a sustained beating.
I avoid the majority of heavyweight boxing as it is boring and predictable. The only thing of note to come of this fight was that it generated a controversial comment from Frank Maloney during ESPN coverage. When asked how Klitschko would have been impacted by having to fight without having Manny Steward in his corner he replied that he would have been happy as he wouldn't have had to pay Steward the usual 10% fee.
Considering Steward passed away just over a fortnight ago, it was a tasteless comment.
Steward had a close relationship with all of his fighters and to suggest Klitschko would be happy as a result of Steward's death is outrageous. The Kronk fighters, Andy Lee in particular judging by his twitter account, are furious.
The likelihood is that this comment will come back to haunt Maloney - if David Price (who Maloney promotes) is to fulfil his potential he will have to fight a Klitshcko and the likelihood of that happening now has suffered a blow. Price is young enough to sit out the Klitshcko's reign but it would be a shame that what seems a rare exciting heavyweight match up should not materialise due to Maloney being a clown.
This Tuesday, Spotlight is going to focus on the issue of the Sandy Row boxing club and what the club secretary alleges that the club is ostracised by the wider Irish boxing community.
Should be an interesting watch !
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 11, 2012, 08:20:28 PM
I avoid the majority of heavyweight boxing as it is boring and predictable. The only thing of note to come of this fight was that it generated a controversial comment from Frank Maloney during ESPN coverage. When asked how Klitschko would have been impacted by having to fight without having Manny Steward in his corner he replied that he would have been happy as he wouldn't have had to pay Steward the usual 10% fee.
Considering Steward passed away just over a fortnight ago, it was a tasteless comment.
Steward had a close relationship with all of his fighters and to suggest Klitschko would be happy as a result of Steward's death is outrageous. The Kronk fighters, Andy Lee in particular judging by his twitter account, are furious.
The likelihood is that this comment will come back to haunt Maloney - if David Price (who Maloney promotes) is to fulfil his potential he will have to fight a Klitshcko and the likelihood of that happening now has suffered a blow. Price is young enough to sit out the Klitshcko's reign but it would be a shame that what seems a rare exciting heavyweight match up should not materialise due to Maloney being a clown.
This Tuesday, Spotlight is going to focus on the issue of the Sandy Row boxing club and what the club secretary alleges that the club is ostracised by the wider Irish boxing community.
Should be an interesting watch !
Daft and tasteless alright. Price looks exciting but would be premature to be putting him in against Wlad I think. Should be targeting the likes of Chisora (when he is back), Adamek, Helenius, Solis, Povetkin etc first I think. The risk might outweigh the reward with these guys, but reality is that he hasn't been in with even a 2nd tier heavy weight at this stage.
Did anyone watch the Spotlight programme last night ?
I thought the Sandy Row boxing club came across really badly in it. Know a couple of lads that train out of there and they're decent lads but the fact that the club is coming out now with this sectarianism issue now when there just so happens to be a large funding pot to be divided up ..... suggests that there issues with the orange vs green in local boxing is motivated purely by a different kind of green (money).
The silence or absence of support from other protestant boxing clubs was deafening.
After the great success of the Irish boxing olympians, local boxing was on a bit of a high. It's unfortunate that the Sandy Row boxing club felt the need to come out about this and cast a bad light on local boxing.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 14, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
Did anyone watch the Spotlight programme last night ?
I thought the Sandy Row boxing club came across really badly in it. Know a couple of lads that train out of there and they're decent lads but the fact that the club is coming out now with this sectarianism issue now when there just so happens to be a large funding pot to be divided up ..... suggests that there issues with the orange vs green in local boxing is motivated purely by a different kind of green (money).
The silence or absence of support from other protestant boxing clubs was deafening.
After the great success of the Irish boxing olympians, local boxing was on a bit of a high. It's unfortunate that the Sandy Row boxing club felt the need to come out about this and cast a bad light on local boxing.
it seemed purely political, when did Jim Allister move to the row? sad really as it appears to be sport not affected by the usual tribalism. the club my son is a member off is cross community and no football tops etc allowed.
Agree with you completely that in terms of local sports boxing is one of the ones least affected by the usual tribalism and that should be celebrated.
As with any sports here it's impossible to separate it completely from politics.
I'd say the sight of Paddy Barnes and Mick Conlon enjoying success as proud irishmen at the olympics galled many politicians like Jim Allister.
Politicians seem keen to install the usual age old divisions in boxing as well. A couple of days ago the NIABA was established, it didn't get that much media coverage but in local boxing terms that was quite a significant event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20303493
The reason I say that is because as it stands, boxers from the North compete in the Irish Amateur Boxing Association and cannot compete for the UK at international level.
The establishment of the NIABA will obviously change that but i'm still trying to find out the impact of it. I'm trying to find out whether a boxer can only fight for Team GB if his club is a NIABA affiliated club or whether he has the choice who he represents.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 14, 2012, 06:09:52 PM
Agree with you completely that in terms of local sports boxing is one of the ones least affected by the usual tribalism and that should be celebrated.
As with any sports here it's impossible to separate it completely from politics.
I'd say the sight of Paddy Barnes and Mick Conlon enjoying success as proud irishmen at the olympics galled many politicians like Jim Allister.
Politicians seem keen to install the usual age old divisions in boxing as well. A couple of days ago the NIABA was established, it didn't get that much media coverage but in local boxing terms that was quite a significant event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20303493
The reason I say that is because as it stands, boxers from the North compete in the Irish Amateur Boxing Association and cannot compete for the UK at international level.
The establishment of the NIABA will obviously change that but i'm still trying to find out the impact of it. I'm trying to find out whether a boxer can only fight for Team GB if his club is a NIABA affiliated club or whether he has the choice who he represents.
has the potential to create the very divisions that have been avoided, and for the neutral rural clubs who would have young boxers from both communities are they now going to be forced into sticking or joining the NIABA. the hope would be the vast majority of clubs prefer the status quo and dont join with NIABA.
How is anyone meant to take Sandy Row BC seriously? 10 years of 'sectarian abuse' and they only go public this year? Unbelievable. Funny how no one else ever witnessed this 'abuse', regardless of what club they came from. No other 'Protestant' clubs said they had any complaints either which to me shows the agenda these boys have when the moneys being rolled out - pathetic, not to mention refusing to even meet the f**king sports minister! ::)
I'd also be far from convinced re this new NIABA. Well done to Sandy Row, they've just built the foundations for segregation in a sport that normally avoided the usual sectarian trappings in NI. You know when Jim Allister is championing something that it can't be good. Sensationalist victimised crap.
Bit of an own goal, watched it last night and I was slightly embarrassed by it all. Midland and the Shankill road club didn't even bother to row in behind them says it all.
Saw this on the Twit Box. Very sad to hear it.
SportsCenter @SportsCenter
BREAKING - Former boxing champion Hector Camacho on life support after being shot Tuesday outside of San Juan, Puerto Rico.
That's sad alright AZ - hope he recovers
Yeah sad news alright - i heard at first he was dead.
Camacho has been declared brain dead. Relatives will now decide whether to remove him from life support.
The only fight in town this weekend seems to be the Ricky Hatton comeback fight but there is one fight that should be commanding more media attention than it is and that is Scott Quigg vs Rendell Munroe. I've got a hunch that Carl Frampton might be interested in this one as well !
The first fight was ruled a technical draw after an accidental head clash in the third round. The pair meet in a rematch on the Hatton undercard with the winner almost certain to face Frampton next summer.
The first fight ended too early to offer any real insight into how this one might pan out. That being said I feel the first fight will benefit Quigg more than Munroe. it was a step up in class for Quigg and he now knows what Munroe is all about inside the ring. I think the fight could be quite even for the first six rounds but I am confident that Quigg will start to pull away during the 2nd half of the fight. By the second half of the fight I think Munroe will slow and Quigg will be able to counter punch his way to a fairly comfortable points decision. Munroe is a binman and being in the waste management industry myself during my students days makes me have a bit of a soft spot for him and I do rate him as a fighter. While he has never been stopped in his career before I wouldn't rule out a late stoppage for Quigg.
In the main event of the evening I think Hatton is going to have a very tough night's work ahead of him against Senchenko. He has a sizeable enough task as it is . He could have all the WD40 and brillo pads in the world but after being out of the ring for three and a half years there is bound to be quite a bit of ring rust showing in the initial period of the fight. To compound that he has had more than his fair share of well documented personal problems. Out of the list I feel that his family problems will impact him the most. He apparently hasn't spoken properly to his parents for two years, his dad was charged with assaulting him back in September. His family had been ever present at all of his fights. He lived with them until he was in his late 20s and when he moved out he only was up the road from them. This will be the first fight where both his parents are unlikely to be there and I think that will take some getting used to for him.
I believe the fight itself will prove more problematic than many other commentators think. The general consenus is that Malignaggi stopped this guy so Hatton being more powerful than Malignaggi should do the same. The only reason that Malignaggi stopped Senchenko was because he was able to go to work on a cut that Senchenko sustained early on in the fight to the extent that Senchenko could only see out of one eye.
From what i've seen of Senchenko I think he would be able to sustain quite a bit of punishment and seems to possess a solid enough jab that could cause a ring rusty Hatton a few problems tonight. It is only a ten round fight, which also leads me to believe that is likely to go the distance. I think Hatton will be the busier fighter on the night and should win by virtue of that. If it does go the distance I think he will always get the benefit of the doubt from the judges. This fight could to a large extent be a replay of his fight against Juan Lazcano. He faced Lazcano after losing his undefeated record to Floyd Mayweather Jr and the bill was treated as a home coming / comeback extravaganza which sold out the city of Manchester stadium. Hatton was given a few scares that night and ended up winning on points despite being predicted by many to win by KO and blow Lazcano away.
Fair play to Hatton for shedding the weight, stepping back into the ring again and exorcising as well as excercising a few demons along the way.
Hatton to win by decision/points 11/4 - Ladbrokes
Scott Quigg to beat Rendell Munroe 1/2 - Ladbrokes
Double pays just under 5/1.
Anyone else having trouble getting the Hatton fight on? This primetime is a farce of a channel
http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html
Was told Quigg Munroe wasn't on until 9 ! I missed it all FFS !
Quigg stopped Munroe in round 6.
Hatton back in to retirement, this time for good.
What was his purse for tonight's fight, this was surely just down to his need for a few ££
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 24, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
What was his purse for tonight's fight, this was surely just down to his need for a few ££
By all accounts money had nothing to do with it. Reputedly still very, very wealthy.
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2012, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 24, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
What was his purse for tonight's fight, this was surely just down to his need for a few ££
By all accounts money had nothing to do with it. Reputedly still very, very wealthy.
Still loaded. Reportedly back in the ring due to boredom and depression. Foolish decision.
Feel bad for him. Sometimes a very thin line between success and failure. Stopped with 8 seconds left in the 9th round when he was ahead on all judges' scorecards.
He was a picture of absolute desolation after the fight. Would be genuinely concerned for his well being after that. He had said prior to the fight that he was prepared for the consequences of defeat but I doubt that is the case.
Only one other person came close to being as gutted as Hatton tonight and that was Paulie Malignaggi who saw a $1 million dollar pay day disappear with 8 seconds left of the 9th round !
Attic us I have been following ur posts on this thread for sometime and read with great interest; it is obvious there is very little about the sweet science u do not know. Anyway could you settle an ongoing feud I am having with a friend of mine and tell me in your opinion lb for lb who was the superior boxer between sugar ray and roberto Duran?
Quote from: Chief Whip on November 25, 2012, 05:28:09 AM
Attic us I have been following ur posts on this thread for sometime and read with great interest; it is obvious there is very little about the sweet science u do not know. Anyway could you settle an ongoing feud I am having with a friend of mine and tell me in your opinion lb for lb who was the superior boxer between sugar ray and roberto Duran?
Has to be Sugar Ray
I have to disagree, its got to be "Manos de Piedra" (my all time favourite fighter). I suppose if you mean "boxer" and not "fighter" most people would plug for Leonard, but I'll always remember the way the young Duran "battered" the great Ken Buchanan. That fight changed all my previous perceptions of the "Noble Art".
Hatton spoke of Duran in the build up to this fight and cited him as a reason for his comeback. In Hatton's gym hangs a picture of him and Duran. This wasn't the Duran you may have saw at ringside at the fight last night but a pre-surgery Duran who wasn't far off the size of Jabba the house. A reporter put it to Hatton that when that picture was taken was he disappointed by the condition of the boxing legend. Hatton replied that no matter what Roberto Duran would be a hero of his but at the same time he could see how people would have looked at him with pity at what he had become. Hatton didn't ever want anyone to look at him that way and after reaching 15 stone for a 5ft 6 guy he felt that people were now looking at him that way.
So from that point of view last night could be regarded as a success. Hatton had a fight on his hands before he even stepped into the ring last night and that was won by him stepping into the ring.
I didn't agree with Hatton's comeback but can fully understand his reasons for doing so. Ultimately he needed to remove the "What ifs" from his head and hear the adulation of his fans again. There's no other song I hate more than "Hatton wonderland" but if you youtube the Hatton vs Mayweather weigh in you can not underestimate what a fanatic following he had. When he stepped away from the ring there was a hole in his life which he tried to patch with being a promoter and trainer but I think he needed to step through the ropes one last time to know in his head that it was time to hang up the gloves.
Would agree with Ziggy - I would have Duran as the better p4p fighter out of the two.
I can see why anyone would go for Leonard; out of the fights between them Leonard got the upper hand but taking all of both fighters careers into account then I would have to go for Duran.
He fought in five different decades and even when he was past his best he fought the best around.
He lit up the boxing world like few other characters could have, he was a brawler that would be ready to employ any tactics necessary to come out on top. The Ken Buchannan fight that Ziggy mentions below is famous for Duran punching Buchanan in the balls, a manoeuvre he got away with. In Christian Giudice's excellent biography on Duran, "Hands of Stone", Buchanan said he thought of Duran everytime he goes for a piss !
Another great book on not only Duran but the remainder of the famous quartet that he was a part of (Leonard, Hagler and Hearns) is George Kimball's "Four Kings".
If you want a good book for christmas, even as a non-boxing fan I don't think you could go wrong with either of the above.
From reading Four Kings you will realise that while Duran and Leonard were great fighters and would have been so in any era, it was the great rivalry they shared (along with Hagler and Hearns) which made them truly great. Great fighters need great rivalries, otherwise no matter what their record is it will always be asked of them, "who did they actually fight?" e.g. Joe Calzaghe.
On the subject of fighters with great rivalries, the 24/7 series on Pacquiao vs Marquez IV has started recently and makes for great viewing as always:
Episode 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh4P8E-4210
Episode 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V17WHWQ7Fdg&feature=plcp (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njMhUNNRLU8&feature=plcp
Good post AF, I never knew about those books I'll have to try and get a hold of them. Btw I think we were so lucky to live through what was probably the "Golden Age" of boxing.
Fortunately the Golden age you speak of was as you say in our time. Although I was only 2 when Leonard fought Duran I grew up on Hearns and Hagler and Leonard and Duran. Tyson then filled that void and so many great warriors.
Boxing today still has some stars and some moments but doesn't spark the same interest in me anymore. I much prefer MMA now but I will gladly sit down and watch the older fights of my youth.
Feel sorry for Hatton - he has a long way to go I would imagine to accepting defeat and ultimate retirement... an awful way to go out...
Quote from: Chief Whip on November 25, 2012, 05:28:09 AM
Attic us I have been following ur posts on this thread for sometime and read with great interest; it is obvious there is very little about the sweet science u do not know. Anyway could you settle an ongoing feud I am having with a friend of mine and tell me in your opinion lb for lb who was the superior boxer between sugar ray and roberto Duran?
long drawn out posts do not an expert make!
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on November 26, 2012, 01:24:48 AM
Quote from: Chief Whip on November 25, 2012, 05:28:09 AM
Attic us I have been following ur posts on this thread for sometime and read with great interest; it is obvious there is very little about the sweet science u do not know. Anyway could you settle an ongoing feud I am having with a friend of mine and tell me in your opinion lb for lb who was the superior boxer between sugar ray and roberto Duran?
long drawn out posts do not an expert make!
Who's claiming to be an expert?
Anyone know were you could get Tyson Fury Tickets?
What's the craic with Andrew Flintoff boxing, publicity stunt ?
Quote from: Minder on November 29, 2012, 08:35:42 PM
What's the craic with Andrew Flintoff boxing, publicity stunt ?
Watched the first episode last week. Appears to be more than a publicity stunt as definitely putting in the graft, however I don't think he will carve out a career. He is a big lad and was miles off on fitness but McGuigan's boy has been training him. Worth a watch.
Quote from: Armaghgael on November 29, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
Anyone know were you could get Tyson Fury Tickets?
Try Castle Vale halting site. :P (Sorry, couldn't resist).
Is the Freddie Flintoff fight on tonight?
Can it be watched anywhere?
I see the hype must have went to John Joe Nevins head a bit, beaten in the WSB last week.
Looking forward to the Fury fight, always entertaining as he is likely to get wobbled or win in style. Wonder if David Haye has any plans other than fighting Vitali? The British Heavyweight scene is exciting at the minute.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 30, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Is the Freddie Flintoff fight on tonight?
Can it be watched anywhere?
It's on boxnation. I say you would be able to get a decent stream for it.
David Price has come out and has been quite critical of Flintoff . He doesn't agree what he's doing and he thinks that he is being disrepectful towards boxing.
I think he's wrong in doing so. Flintoff's reasons for turning to boxing is very similar to Hatton. Both have had problems with depression, the discipline and the focus boxing brings would help them deal with depression.
Flintoff has been friendly with Barry McGuigan for a while and he said to him that he would love to give boxing a go, not a charity event/white collar night but he wanted to do it professionally. By the sounds of it he has been completely dedicated to boxing and put heart and soul into training ... although I saw him in the Cloth Ear in Belfast having a sneaky pint two weeks ago. Shane McGuigan was with him so it must have been allowed ;D
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 30, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 30, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Is the Freddie Flintoff fight on tonight?
Can it be watched anywhere?
It's on boxnation. I say you would be able to get a decent stream for it.
David Price has come out and has been quite critical of Flintoff . He doesn't agree what he's doing and he thinks that he is being disrepectful towards boxing.
I think he's wrong in doing so. Flintoff's reasons for turning to boxing is very similar to Hatton. Both have had problems with depression, the discipline and the focus boxing brings would help them deal with depression.
Flintoff has been friendly with Barry McGuigan for a while and he said to him that he would love to give boxing a go, not a charity event/white collar night but he wanted to do it professionally. By the sounds of it he has been completely dedicated to boxing and put heart and soul into training ... although I saw him in the Cloth Ear in Belfast having a sneaky pint two weeks ago. Shane McGuigan was with him so it must have been allowed ;D
Cheers.
Hard to know what sort of fight it'll be.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 30, 2012, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 30, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on November 30, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Is the Freddie Flintoff fight on tonight?
Can it be watched anywhere?
It's on boxnation. I say you would be able to get a decent stream for it.
David Price has come out and has been quite critical of Flintoff . He doesn't agree what he's doing and he thinks that he is being disrepectful towards boxing.
I think he's wrong in doing so. Flintoff's reasons for turning to boxing is very similar to Hatton. Both have had problems with depression, the discipline and the focus boxing brings would help them deal with depression.
Flintoff has been friendly with Barry McGuigan for a while and he said to him that he would love to give boxing a go, not a charity event/white collar night but he wanted to do it professionally. By the sounds of it he has been completely dedicated to boxing and put heart and soul into training ... although I saw him in the Cloth Ear in Belfast having a sneaky pint two weeks ago. Shane McGuigan was with him so it must have been allowed ;D
Cheers.
Hard to know what sort of fight it'll be.
Hope Flintoff gets sparked out and then his opponent has a go at either of the McGuigans ;)
Anyone any predictions for tonight ?
Flintoff vs Dawson - Two completely unknown quantities for me but with there being only four two minute rounds, I can't help but consider the possibility of the draw.
Price vs Skelton - Going for Price to win between rounds 4-6. He should stop him but surely he can't get it as easy the Fraudley fight ?
33/1 Double
Link - http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html
Skelton didn't last much longer than fraudley, Price stopped him in the second. Series of body punches too much for Skelton.
Good man Freddie, not high on quality but he was marginally better, after watching the Sky show he's certainly put the effort in.
Flintoff is now off the mark with his first professional win beating Dawson 39 points to 38. It resembled a charity boxing match but was highly entertaining at the same time.
How long will they be able to stretch this out for before he has to box someone that is better than pathetic ? The state of today's media is that Flintoffs boxing "career" will probably generate more publicity than a genuine contender like Price. Celebrity sells.
Has Freddie any skills?
Always liked him. Seems like he'd be good craic on a session
How far do you think Price can go Atticus?
Quote from: Minder on November 30, 2012, 11:16:41 PM
How long will they be able to stretch this out for before he has to box someone that is better than pathetic ? The state of today's media is that Flintoffs boxing "career" will probably generate more publicity than a genuine contender like Price. Celebrity sells.
If you did as you were bid and watched the tv show you would see that this is something he needs to get out of his system thru frustartion at finishing his cricket career prematurely. He is as aware as anyone that he can't go from nothing to a contender at the age of 34.
Reading a report that said he was floored in 2nd round so would have lost that round 10-8 so impossible for him to score 39 points in a 4 rounder! :o
Flintoff reminded me of Ivan Drago, before the Russian threw a punch.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2012, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 30, 2012, 11:16:41 PM
How long will they be able to stretch this out for before he has to box someone that is better than pathetic ? The state of today's media is that Flintoffs boxing "career" will probably generate more publicity than a genuine contender like Price. Celebrity sells.
If you did as you were bid and watched the tv show you would see that this is something he needs to get out of his system thru frustartion at finishing his cricket career prematurely. He is as aware as anyone that he can't go from nothing to a contender at the age of 34.
There just happened to be a documentary crew about to film it all ?! Youse are mad if you think Flintoff is using this whole farce for anything other than to generate whatever lucrative spin offs he can from it, another book, boxing exercise video, tv show etc.
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2012, 11:44:12 PM
Flintoff reminded me of Ivan Drago, before the Russian threw a punch.
(http://dawnmasuoka.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DolphLungrenasIvanDragoIMustBreakYou.jpg)
If that was a 10-8 then it's a farce. Is it possible it was a 9-9?
Flintoff slapped. His punches were that of a local GAA club fundraiser standard.
At the same time, to have the desire to go toe-to-toe with a heavy lad takes balls and for that it was an entertaining few minutes.
Quote from: Minder on November 30, 2012, 11:52:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2012, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 30, 2012, 11:16:41 PM
How long will they be able to stretch this out for before he has to box someone that is better than pathetic ? The state of today's media is that Flintoffs boxing "career" will probably generate more publicity than a genuine contender like Price. Celebrity sells.
If you did as you were bid and watched the tv show you would see that this is something he needs to get out of his system thru frustartion at finishing his cricket career prematurely. He is as aware as anyone that he can't go from nothing to a contender at the age of 34.
There just happened to be a documentary crew about to film it all ?! Youse are mad if you think Flintoff is using this whole farce for anything other than to generate whatever lucrative spin offs he can from it, another book, boxing exercise video, tv show etc.
Such cynicism. The Christmas countdown sfarts in a couple of minutes. Embrace the season of goodwill.
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2012, 11:57:49 PM
If that was a 10-8 then it's a farce. Is it possible it was a 9-9?
Flintoff slapped. His punches were that of a local GAA club fundraiser standard.
At the same time, to have the desire to go toe-to-toe with a heavy lad takes balls and for that it was an entertaining few minutes.
In show on Sky he looked to be slapping a fair bit and in one scene staved his thumb because of it.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2012, 11:40:24 PM
Reading a report that said he was floored in 2nd round so would have lost that round 10-8 so impossible for him to score 39 points in a 4 rounder! :o
If you knock someone down but are judged to have lost the round then it is scored 10-9 in your favour. Therefore 39-38 score is feasible.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on December 01, 2012, 12:02:40 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2012, 11:40:24 PM
Reading a report that said he was floored in 2nd round so would have lost that round 10-8 so impossible for him to score 39 points in a 4 rounder! :o
If you knock someone down but are judged to have lost the round then it is scored 10-9 in your favour. Therefore 39-38 score is feasible.
It's not.
9-10 10-9 10-9 10-9
General consensus was that Flintoff won 3 rounds. 1, 3 and 4 = 30 points. Got floored in the 2nd but looks like he was also considered to have won the round otherwise so 9 points. So gives a total of 39 points, no ?
Didn't say i agreed with it, just said it was feasible.
One of the rounds maybe was scored a draw ?
10-10 for one possibly. Watched it again but cannot see it.
Well I for one don't believe a fight was fixed. Not in boxing.
Quote from: ONeill on December 01, 2012, 12:15:10 AM
10-10 for one possibly. Watched it again but cannot see it.
Any footage online?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2012, 12:15:29 AM
Well I for one don't believe a fight was fixed. Not in boxing.
;D Can't see any highlights about at the minute. I say there would be some up on youtube tomorrow.
Agree the scoring does look a bit suspect alright.
They've been up on youtube this yonks. If you hoors....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPxU0QFcmJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cQX3_DO-hc
Quote from: bennydorano on November 30, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
How far do you think Price can go Atticus?
Not sure to be honest. He seems to have the physique, power and attributes to be a top class heavyweight but I can't get over excited on account of his most recent victories as although they were impressive it was against very mediocre opposition in Harrison and Skelton.
Think his next fight is going to be against Tony Thompson who has been Ko'd twice by Wladimir Klitschko.
I'd say that will be the path that Maloney has him on for a while, facing former Klitschko victims. I think himself and Fury will be kept apart for a good while yet. Whether he is capable of beating a Klitschko is another story. Vitali Klitschko has said he hasn't hung up the gloves AFAIK but by the time Price would be in a position to challenge him you would imagine he will be long retired. Wladimir should still be about for the next few years and if he keeps progressing he would definitely give him a fight IMO and at the minute there doesn't seem to be an abundance of boxers in the heavyweight division that would be capable of doing that.
I had it Flintoff 10-9 Dawson, 8-10, 10-9, 10-9 which still has Flintoff winning by a point.
You think he lost the round he was knocked down in (despite the KO)?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on December 01, 2012, 12:02:40 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2012, 11:40:24 PM
Reading a report that said he was floored in 2nd round so would have lost that round 10-8 so impossible for him to score 39 points in a 4 rounder! :o
If you knock someone down but are judged to have lost the round then it is scored 10-9 in your favour. Therefore 39-38 score is feasible.
Got a text from a lad demanding i back this up with a source :o ! As O'Neill has already highlighted, my searching skills could do with a bit of work ! But the first google search i did provided the following:
http://neutralcorneronline.com/how-to-score-a-fight/
http://www.secondsout.com/ringside/boxing-mavens-corner/what-you-scored-a-10-8-round
Quote from: ONeill on December 01, 2012, 12:50:12 AM
You think he lost the round he was knocked down in (despite the KO)?
Yes. He hardly landed leather in Round 2 regardless - draw at best and the two commentators gave it a 10-8 round. I think he did enough to win it so I think the 39 score does him a disservice if it calls into question the result. Quality was poor though, some desperate open handed slaps.
Would agree with how you scored it. Although, felt there was very little between them in the fourth round.
I felt the commentary gave Flintoff more credit than he deserved in the fourth e.g. just after the 5 minute stage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cQX3_DO-hc the commentary says he landed flush, I don't think he even landed and was prevented from doing so by Dawson's arms. He landed a low percentage of clean shots. Dawson wasn't too active either but landed a couple of counters, would say Flintoff just shaded it but not much in it.
Yeah, it was a pish fight that FF just about deserved, shouts of fix are a bit off, him losing probably would have made better TV for sky documentary.
Took a lot of balls to get in there with a heavyweight! But how can he still not throw a punch properly after 6 months of training hard for a fight!
Jeeez, It was a poor white collar fight. Is yer man really a pro heavyweight? As Jim says, how can he not throw a right hand properly with the level of coaching he's had? Surprised how little bulk he has on the frame - very scrawney
Fair play for getting though
Are all these fights, inc Eubanks junior in the Odyssey tonight??
Yeah. Quite a lot of empty seats. Would be interested to hear the official attendance.
Tyson dropped the Antrim shirt for his ring entrance, but just when i thought he had dropped the whole circus act of doing anything he can to attract an irish fan base .... a dance version of the fields of athenry starts to play ::)
Johnson hasn't sat down for the last number of round intervals, commentators haven't said anything but that to me would suggest that he's been hurt around the ribs.
Not an entertaining fight so far.
Not entertaining? That's very generous. It's f**king shite.
You sound surprised, I didn't have high expectations.
Hes not their to entertain. Its a results business
Fair play to Fury for out boxing Johnson and not getting into a slug fest. But to be honest, I think it shows how poor the Heavyweight division is when the like of Johnson is one of the top rated fighters and he has very little mobility. I can't remember him doing anything the whole fight. Maybe it is this new breed of 6ft7+ fighter that is ruining the Heavyweight division, surely it is unfair when you have the huge weight, height and reach advantages that the like of the Klitschkos, Valuev, Price and Fury have. Should there be a new weight category? The only thing that will make the division interesting is when the biggest men fight each other, be very interesting to see how they all fare out when their physical advantages are nullified.
As for Eubank junior, looks very good and his style is very similar to his da's, posing and prancing about the ring in slow motion.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 03, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
Fair play to Fury for out boxing Johnson and not getting into a slug fest. But to be honest, I think it shows how poor the Heavyweight division is when the like of Johnson is one of the top rated fighters and he has very little mobility. I can't remember him doing anything the whole fight. Maybe it is this new breed of 6ft7+ fighter that is ruining the Heavyweight division, surely it is unfair when you have the huge weight, height and reach advantages that the like of the Klitschkos, Valuev, Price and Fury have. Should there be a new weight category? The only thing that will make the division interesting is when the biggest men fight each other, be very interesting to see how they all fare out when their physical advantages are nullified.
As for Eubank junior, looks very good and his style is very similar to his da's, posing and prancing about the ring in slow motion.
In fairness to the lad he has only started doing this kind of thing in his last couple of fights, must be coming to the end of the Channel 5 deal and probably trying to get a bit of attention and press. Good tidy fighter.
What time does the pacqiou fight start at tonite?
You are probably looking at roughly 4am.
Some great boxing action this weekend. I'll start with Brian Magee vs Mikkel Kessler. I can't help but feel that the bookies have priced this one up wrongly, you can get 7/1 on him.
While Kessler should undoubtedly be the favourite here I think Magee is being unfairly estimated here.
Only two people have officially beaten Kessler (Carl Froch would argue he deserved to get the decision when the pair met in 2010) Joe Calzaghe and Andre Ward. Magee shares a southpaw stance with Calzaghe. Any of the other south paw fighters that Kessler has defeated have not been anywhere near the standard of Calzaghe and Magee would represent a true test to see if Kessler may have any problems with southpaws.
Fighting in Denmark is not going to present any problems to Magee either he has fought there twice before recently.
The jury is still out on whether Kessler is the same boxer that fought Carl Froch he suffered a serious eye injury and was out for 13 months since then he's had two bouts since against Mehdi Bouadla and Allan Green. He dispatched Green in impressive fashion 4th round KO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2kwR-6IFU) Green made the super six series a few years back and that fact alone would suggest he has some boxing pedigree. However, he was only a last minute replacement for Jermain Taylor (who pulled out of the tournament after suffering memory loss following his preliminary round loss to Arthur Abraham) and his record in the super six was not impressive he was comprehensively beaten by Andre Ward and Glen Johnson.
Magee is undoubtedly the best opponent that Kessler has fought since Froch. While Kessler should prevail there are questions surrounding whether he is the fighter he was, I don't think it is outlandish to suggest that Magee could have some answers to those questions that Kessler or Denmark will not like.
If i'm offered 7/1 for what should be a 5/2 shot i will take it any day of the week.
Dungiven middleweight Eamon O'Kane is also fighting tonight on the undercard of the Darren Barker vs Kerry Hope bout. He is fighting John Ryder who you might remember from the undercard of the Carl Frampton vs Raul Hirales fight. Ryder is not a bad fighter at all and O'Kane is the underdog here (7/4) but his camp are very confident of victory. I have no reason to doubt their confidence is misplaced, the only problem could be that the fight is scheduled for ten rounds and that O'Kane has never fought at that distance before but with adequate preparation that hopefully shouldn't cause too many problems.
The main event of this evening is undoubtedly Pacquiao vs Marquez, the boxing world still has an appetite for this fight as their trilogy could not clearly separate the fighters. I think Pacquiao in light of his political duties has lost his focus to an extent, I'm going for Marquez. Marquez will do what he can to take the decision out of the hands of the judges and even if it does go the distance I think he may get the nod on this occasion.
Magee
O'Kane
Marquez
Christmas might come early with this 50/1 treble.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on December 08, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
You are probably looking at roughly 4am.
Some great boxing action this weekend. I'll start with Brian Magee vs Mikkel Kessler. I can't help but feel that the bookies have priced this one up wrongly, you can get 7/1 on him.
While Kessler should undoubtedly be the favourite here I think Magee is being unfairly estimated here.
Only two people have officially beaten Kessler (Carl Froch would argue he deserved to get the decision when the pair met in 2010) Joe Calzaghe and Andre Ward. Magee shares a southpaw stance with Calzaghe. Any of the other south paw fighters that Kessler has defeated have not been anywhere near the standard of Calzaghe and Magee would represent a true test to see if Kessler may have any problems with southpaws.
Fighting in Denmark is not going to present any problems to Magee either he has fought there twice before recently.
The jury is still out on whether Kessler is the same boxer that fought Carl Froch he suffered a serious eye injury and was out for 13 months since then he's had two bouts since against Mehdi Bouadla and Allan Green. He dispatched Green in impressive fashion 4th round KO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2kwR-6IFU) Green made the super six series a few years back and that fact alone would suggest he has some boxing pedigree. However, he was only a last minute replacement for Jermain Taylor (who pulled out of the tournament after suffering memory loss following his preliminary round loss to Arthur Abraham) and his record in the super six was not impressive he was comprehensively beaten by Andre Ward and Glen Johnson.
Magee is undoubtedly the best opponent that Kessler has fought since Froch. While Kessler should prevail there are questions surrounding whether he is the fighter he was, I don't think it is outlandish to suggest that Magee could have some answers to those questions that Kessler or Denmark will not like.
If i'm offered 7/1 for what should be a 5/2 shot i will take it any day of the week.
Dungiven middleweight Eamon O'Kane is also fighting tonight on the undercard of the Darren Barker vs Kerry Hope bout. He is fighting John Ryder who you might remember from the undercard of the Carl Frampton vs Raul Hirales fight. Ryder is not a bad fighter at all and O'Kane is the underdog here (7/4) but his camp are very confident of victory. I have no reason to doubt their confidence is misplaced, the only problem could be that the fight is scheduled for ten rounds and that O'Kane has never fought at that distance before but with adequate preparation that hopefully shouldn't cause too many problems.
The main event of this evening is undoubtedly Pacquiao vs Marquez, the boxing world still has an appetite for this fight as their trilogy could not clearly separate the fighters. I think Pacquiao in light of his political duties has lost his focus to an extent, I'm going for Marquez. Marquez will do what he can to take the decision out of the hands of the judges and even if it does go the distance I think he may get the nod on this occasion.
Magee
O'Kane
Marquez
Christmas might come early with this 50/1 treble.
Have had a pop at that bet Atticus, hopefully it comes up
Bet gone! O'Kane well beaten. Hopefully Magee will produce the goods!
Quote from: Tommo2 on December 08, 2012, 09:24:50 PM
Bet gone! O'Kane well beaten. Hopefully Magee will produce the goods!
ffs!!
Anyways fight on this site http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/157814/3/watch-brian-magee-vs-mikkel-kessler.html
Magee fucked!!
Didn't show much heart there!
Quote from: JimStynes on December 08, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
Didn't show much heart there!
He took some dig in the gut there!! Was a step up in class on that show, makes you wonder how Magee done so well before this fight. Brian has done really well and fair play, seems a nice guy when on TV
Pacquiao looked sluggish against Mosley and Marquez last time out but really stepped it up against Bradley and was scandalously robbed (as many would say Marquez has been against him). Think they'll be going for the KO to dispel any doubts and ensure the potential Mayweather fight doesn't begin to look like one between two fighters past their peak.
Marquez looks great and really seems to have bulked up. Bit of controversy surrounding his new strength coach, who only escaped prosecution in the Marion Jones case by turning state's evidence. Marquez at 39 is surely past it but the same was said last year!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 08, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 08, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
Didn't show much heart there!
He took some dig in the gut there!! Was a step up in class on that show, makes you wonder how Magee done so well before this fight. Brian has done really well and fair play, seems a nice guy when on TV
No doubt but he just gave up. Maybe he was injured! You wouldn't see a Mexican giving up like that. Disappointed, would have loved to have seen him put in a really good performance tonight before he retires. Does seem like a really decent down to earth fella.
That 5th round in the Marquez v Pacman fight was one of the best I've seen. Worth getting up for itself! Great fight!
Bloody hell - Marquez has sparked him stone cold!!!
brutal knockout!! Any links for the fight? Both men look like theyve been on the roids (again)!!
Some punch.
Didn't like how much marquez celebrated whilst pacquiao was still face down.
Quote from: ONeill on December 09, 2012, 10:18:04 AM
Some punch.
Think Manny needs to quit. In fact both of them do. Both have been in too many wars now.
Any links ?
Quote from: The Worker on December 09, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
Any links ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X6rmdCuZMY
That's just the knockout.
Think there might have been howls of anguish in the Mayweather household last night. Even if Manny can come back (which isn't guaranteed, can't imagine his wife would be too keen on it after seeing her reaction), he'd surely have to fight Marquez again and beat him convincingly (is that even possible for him now?) before thoughts of a Mayweather fight surfaced again. Even at that, it would be 3 or 4 years too late and surely wouldn't make the pair of them the money that had previously been quoted.
good to see marquez exorcise old ghosts. pacman won't retire, he'll go for the rematch and marquez will give it to him i think. thought marquez looked bulked up. dunno if it was roid assisted, but looked big in there compared to pacman.
How many Mexicans does it take to knock out Pacquiao ??? Just the Juan ! ;D ... Sorry i'll leave now
Some horrible predictions last night !
Disappointed with Magee, really thought that he was going to put it up to Kessler. Was happy with his start, his movement alone looked like it was going to cause Kessler trouble and he was landing often enough. Watched the fight in the bar as soon as i opened my mouth to say he had started well he was caught with that frontal body shot and that was that! He did his best to muster come back from that but he was done. Hopefully Magee gets a few more fights before he hangs up the gloves, a good honest pro who has never got the recognition locally that he has deserved IMO.
Even more disappointed with O'Kane, I couldn't get to watch that fight, only saw brief highlights but it just looked like Ryder was the slicker boxer. O'Kane won the prizefighter tournament partly on account of being a bit wild and raw, partial to throwing haymakers. That's fine in a tournament when short windows (three x 3 minute rounds) are the name of the game but in longer bouts you are going to be made pay if you don't pay the necessary detail to your defence. Don't know where Eamon goes from here, a win against Ryder would have paved the way for domestic title fights.
Agree with gallsman, I think a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight has lost a large part of its marketability. Due to Pacquiao's recent performances it definitely isn't the fight it once was.
The main barrier to a fight happening previously was Pacquiao's refusal to undergo certain drug testing and also the promoters involved were not the best of pals. Pacquiao agreed recently to undergo any of the drug testing that Mayweather asked of him in order to make the fight happen. On the subject of drug testing, and following on from Cadence's point I would be interested to know what drug testing Marquez under went before and after the fight.
Not only did the fight last night confirm a bad run of form for Pacquiao but it also brought to an end what has been a horrible year for Freddie Roach. With the exception of Chavez Jnr beating Andy Lee, I don't think he has won a fight with one of the stars of his stable this year ? His condition isn't getting any better and I wonder how much longer he will go on for.
Pacquiao vs Mayweather would have been one of biggest fights ever not anymore. Any chance of another Mayweather vs. Marquez fight?
mate who is bigtime into the boxing sent me a text advicing to stick some coin on marquez to win by stoppage, stuck a tenner on at 8/1. happy days. he also adviced fury on points last week but in my folly i ignored that. he writes columes for online boxing sites. will post up any future tips.
Manny was winning the fight and the round and had him hurt and got careless sliding in with the punch.
He will be back without a doubt
Quote from: The Iceman on December 10, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
Manny was winning the fight and the round and had him hurt and got careless sliding in with the punch.
He will be back without a doubt
All true but a knockout like that can dramatically change the course of a career and completely change a fighter. Pacquiao has never been hit with a shot like that. Pacquiao's style has always been based around powerful, whirlwind attacks where, sometimes throwing caution to the wind as he knew he had his opponent's number. Will be interesting to see if he changes and goes for something a bit more cautious having been rocked like that.
No shortage of innuendo in the press about Marquez. The change in physique at 39 and the power increase seem to be the main talking points, and of course his new trainer. Or is it just that Manny is not able to ship the punishment any more?
Hell of a fight, certainly not one for the purist, but some scrap...
Impressive stuff from Khan, an old fashioned hiding.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 16, 2012, 08:24:29 AM
Impressive stuff from Khan, an old fashioned hiding.
Against a nobody who was a powder puff puncher stepping up in weight, chosen because they reckoned there was no way he could knock Khan out. I understand the rationale for it, but while Khan is a very good boxer - and certainly his fights are exciting - he's just not at the elite level and will always be at risk against those with KO power.
I knew that was going to be the reaction, he gets very little credit. It was impressive against a creditable opponent he's hardly going to go looking a real top drawer opponent after 2 ko's in a row.
how was he a creditable opponent? they didn't even pick someone from his own weight class.
From fightsaga.com:
"He is ranked No. 68 by BoxRec in the jr weltwerweight division and only No. 15 in the United States in the same weight class. So according to BoxRec, there are 14 other Americans in the same weight class who are more accomplished."
Clearly he wasn't going to be put in against a top-ranked opponent as they look to rebuild his confidence, but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for beating someone who was someone who was chosen because he offered no threat
Kahn was impressive but it told us absolutely nothing. Looked very much the same Kahn we've always known, and even despite Hunter's constant shouting he got caught dropping his guard a few times. Someone that wasn't a glorified super-featherweight who couldn't touch him without lunging in would have rocked him the same as always.
Maybe Hunter can fix his defence but his glass jaw will always be there and combined with his tendency towards showboating and getting drawn into scraps it's a toxic mix against quality fighters or anyone with power. His fights make great viewing because of that danger but I wouldn't buy into anything at all been shown or proven last night.
Why was Jason Quigley not at the Olympics?
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 19, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
Why was Jason Quigley not at the Olympics?
He didnt qualify...
Quote from: ludermor on December 19, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 19, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
Why was Jason Quigley not at the Olympics?
He didnt qualify...
Did he lose in the Middleweight or Lightweight National Finals?
middleweight or lightweight????
Starting to see reports that Pacman may be close to retirement after a neurologist claimed he's showing early signs of Parkinson's. Terrible if true.
Not sure if this short film is posted here
http://www.balls.ie/news/short-documentary-about-failed-comeback-of-kevin-mcbride-the-man-who-beat-mike-tyson/#sthash.iaBPdWYm.N4RrJ751.dpbs
Anyone going to the Frampton fight at the weekend? Andy Lee's on the undercard too.
Are there still tickets available for the fight??
Quote from: Hurricane Fly on February 06, 2013, 01:55:50 PM
Are there still tickets available for the fight??
Wouldn't imagine too many available, I'm off to Dublin on Sat so will not be able to go, think the betting is slightly off, they have Carl at 1/6 in places and I think personally it will be a lot closer than the bookies think, though a lot of this is determined by the betting public.
On the fight Carl should be concentrating on the body punching which has served him well in his last few fights, his ability to target these areas has left his opponents zapped and open for a flurry of punches to get knocked down/out. If Carl doesn't have him knocked down before the 6/7 rounds then it may well go the distance and he should win handy on points. Well I hope he does.
Does anyone know if you can subscribe to Sky Sports for one off fights? Don't have it but would like to see the fight tomorrow
Only on Box Office, Frampton's fight is on normal sports channels. Normally online at http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv1.html or that firstrow (or is frontrow?) sports. I had the app for it downloaded and you could watch nearly every sporting event going on it, but didn't do the laptop any good imo - since took it off.
What time is the frampton fight likely to start at?
Around ten I think
Andy Lee what is goin on here, pish
Linsday v Selby - like watching a welterweight vs a featherweight. Lindsay could get badly hurt by the end of this.
any punting tips for the frampton fight, round stoppage, group round etc???
martinez will be lookin a the big knockout punch in rd1/2. this wont happen. his heaf will go down. frampton by stoppage in rd6.
anyone i can follow on twitter for updates?
big crowd in for this. I wouldn't mind getting along to a fight sometime., Come on the Jackal.
-- That's a great sight to see Paddy Barnes in the frampton corner
Martinez making him earn his keep tonight.
Martinez has won two of the first three rounds, with the first even IMO.
Much better from Frampton.
All the makings of a great fight. Bookies maybe too generous to Frampton??
Interesting to see if Martinez has the stamina to keep this up. Very close.
gone :)
Sin é.
If he possesses a punch like that in every fight, he's the real deal.
You'd be worried about the earlier rounds though.
He seemed to be dropping his guard a lot which seemed strange but job done. Was nip and tuck up to that point.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2013, 11:22:18 PM
He seemed to be dropping his guard a lot which seemed strange but job done. Was nip and tuck up to that point.
maybe there's dropping your guard stupidly and dropping your guard smartly ( i know v little about boxing ), but frampton is a sharp enough mover. Well done, good win
Probably relieved that he can now return to the flag protests!
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
Probably relieved that he can now return to the flag protests!
Aye, i'd say the fact that he's a protestant would annoy you.
Well,from Tigers Bay,I'd say you'll not be bumping into him in Casement Park anytime soon.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:42:02 PM
Well,from Tigers Bay,I'd say you'll not be bumping into him in Casement Park anytime soon.
You are a f**king wally of the highest order, you know nothing of the lad and would fit right in with the protesters if you were born a prod. Twat!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 09, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:42:02 PM
Well,from Tigers Bay,I'd say you'll not be bumping into him in Casement Park anytime soon.
You are a f**king wally of the highest order, you know nothing of the lad and would fit right in with the protesters if you were born a prod. t**t!!
Don't feed the troll. Anything I have seen of Frampton is that he seems to get on with both sides and has no time for shite that Fearon is interested in. I would say being World Champion is above flegs on his pecking order.
Wrong thread but Tony sees life as Catholic v Protestant.
I know this is probably a bit harsh, but Barry McGuigan is beginning to annoy me.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 09, 2013, 11:53:59 PM
I know this is probably a bit harsh, but Barry McGuigan is beginning to annoy me.
He has become a version of Barry Hearn on speed but sure it's a bit of crack I suppose.
Anyone notice McGuigan jabbing in the dressing room before the fight.
Still looks the part. Won't be kicking him in the taws anytime soon but as Bennyharp says he might be deserving a wee slap on his lugs.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
Probably relieved that he can now return to the flag protests!
TIT...You should have mentioned that to Paddy Barnes before he supported his corner tonight. Away off to the politics threads (you'll not have too far to go) and see what they think about it
Quote from: Abble on February 10, 2013, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
Probably relieved that he can now return to the flag protests!
TIT...You should have mentioned that to Paddy Barnes before he supported his corner tonight. Away off to the politics threads (you'll not have too far to go) and see what they think about it
Paddy Barnes is going to be Carl's best man soon, the lad is as nice a fella you'll ever meet, he's boxed for Ireland for many years, cause he's from Tigers Bay means fcuk all. TF is so full of shite it makes my blood boil, he's everything that's wrong about this place. Quick to join the stereo type, how stupid can you be?
Anyway's back to the fight, was a tough encounter and as I said before the bookies made Carl way to big a favourite but that is based on the punters backing Carl. Knew Carl was going to be nervous seen it in him in the last fight, he couldn't get going due to Kiko relentlessly pressing him the whole time, but as someone said he would have done well to keep that going. Barry dropped his trainer before this fight so I was worried that things would be a bit different.
Hopefully Carl will take Quigg on and it should be another good fight. Hearns loves Belfast and the prize money now should attract some great fights.
Thoroughly enjoyable fight. Dunno how it looked on tv but live he was absolutely clinical. Took some big shots well, peppered Kiko from opening bell and was clearly on top. Only round I gave Martinez was the 7th.
Quote from: gallsman on February 10, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable fight. Dunno how it looked on tv but live he was absolutely clinical. Took some big shots well, peppered Kiko from opening bell and was clearly on top. Only round I gave Martinez was the 7th.
Carl was ahead before the fight was stopped on the judges cards. Carl was hit a few times, but was smart when he needed to be. What size was that bloke Rogan fought? Wholly fcuk!
Marty Rogan fight?
Quote from: ONeill on February 10, 2013, 12:48:20 AM
Marty Rogan fight?
Fight?
Well won on points against the genie from the lamp!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2013, 12:46:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 10, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
Thoroughly enjoyable fight. Dunno how it looked on tv but live he was absolutely clinical. Took some big shots well, peppered Kiko from opening bell and was clearly on top. Only round I gave Martinez was the 7th.
Carl was ahead before the fight was stopped on the judges cards. Carl was hit a few times, but was smart when he needed to be. What size was that bloke Rogan fought? Wholly fcuk!
Reading comments here giving two of first three to Martinez. I thought he put on a clinic. Kiko came out big in the 7th and caught him enough to take the round but that was about the height of it.
Quote from: MK on February 09, 2013, 11:55:38 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:42:02 PM
Well,from Tigers Bay,I'd say you'll not be bumping into him in Casement Park anytime soon.
well if you really want to know Framton lived in WEST Belfast with his Catholic partner
Point of order - does West Belfast not include protestant areas like Shankill & Suffolk? Not a argument settler by itself.
Thought Frampton was excellent but there was always the danger of being caught with a haymaker. Frampton & Selby are 2 classy fighters, both shouldn't be far away from World titles.
I also wonder was Martinez one of the boxers allegedly working with doping Dr Fuentes ???
Quote from: bennydorano on February 10, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: MK on February 09, 2013, 11:55:38 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 09, 2013, 11:42:02 PM
Well,from Tigers Bay,I'd say you'll not be bumping into him in Casement Park anytime soon.
well if you really want to know Framton lived in WEST Belfast with his Catholic partner
Point of order - does West Belfast not include protestant areas like Shankill & Suffolk? Not a argument settler by itself.
Thought Frampton was excellent but there was always the danger of being caught with a haymaker. Frampton & Selby are 2 classy fighters, both shouldn't be far away from World titles.
I also wonder was Martinez one of the boxers allegedly working with doping Dr Fuentes ???
And what does being a prod mean in boxing terms? Seriously beyond a joke now
Means f**k all to me, making a pointless point. Watch u dont miss it like. ::)
What happened Rogie v Audrey?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 23, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
What happened Rogie v Audrey?
Harrison beat him easily, Rogan hardly threw a punch. Would say that is end of Rogans carreer.
It was a bit of an anti-climax. Lewison fighting like a fat Mike Tyson.
David Price beaten in two. Didn't see that coming.
This thread has been pretty quiet recently.
Lot of activity in the boxing world today. A day which could see the beginning of the end for Frank Warren's boxing empire !
Ricky Burns, who was the biggest name out of Warren's stable of fighters, has joined former Warren fighter George Groves and also signed for Eddie Hearn's Matchroom promotions. Ricky Burns is still viewed as being under contract by FW and the inevitable lawsuit was announced shortly after Burns' press conference with matchroom.
http://www.frankwarren.com/news/press-releases/2013/03/11/frank-warren-statement.html
Matchroom seem to be confident of Burns' success at court as they regard the situation as a carbon copy to the situation of Tony Bellew who also left Warren for Matchroom. Warren sued Bellew and the Hearns for breach of contract but it was found that Bellew had terminated his contract legitimately. Warren discontinued the case less than a week ago and as a result the Hearns are now in the process of trying to recover the legal costs.
Should Warren be unsuccesful in his litigation against Burns it could mark the end of his boxing promotional empire. The only real big name that is left under his promotional banner is Nathan Cleverly and there has been a lot of speculation that he is also not happy under Warren.
The exodus from Warren promotions to Matchroom underlines how important Sky television exposure is to boxers. Carl Froch has been involved in some massive fights over the last four years but it was only after his recent switch to Sky did he get the exposure necessary to give him the platform to be regarded as top ten, pound for pound fighter. The recognition that he is now getting hasn't gone unnoticed by the fight fraternity.
The move by Hearn/Matchroom is quite an astute move as not only was it necessary if they wanted to be regarded as the premier promotional outfit in the UK but they now have geographical representation all over the UK and Ireland with Burns' having a vociferous fanbase in Scotland.
The missing piece in the matchroom jigsaw may come in the form of David Price. When you cast your eyes over the matchroom boxing roster it only seems to be a stellar heavyweight is missing. The Hearns are unlikely to want to have anything to do with a rocket like Tyson Fury so that leaves David Price. Frank Maloney has had recent health problems and I think it only is a matter of time before Price leaves particularly when his career goes under a a rehabilitative period following his shock loss to Tony Thompson and exposure is very important.
The question remains would a Matchroom promotional monopoly on the top fighters be a good thing ?
In short, I believe it would. Boxing has long suffered from fragmentation, you only have to look at the array of belts under the vast range of sanctioning bodies to get an idea of the fragmentation that exists. This is also reflected in television coverage. Being a boxing fan is currently not cheap, not only do you have to have a sky sports subscription, a boxnation subscription and also pay one off fees for the bouts that appears on primetime. A matchroom monopoly would hopefully at least confine boxing coverage to sky.
But the main benefit could come in the form of the top fights being made rather than being talked about. Matchroom seems to have a good relationship with the main promotional outfits across the globe. Hopefully Matchroom fighter, Carl Frampton will be involved in some of those top fights for years to come.
In other news, Curtis Woodhouse has become the first boxer that I know of to track down a 'keyboard warrior' .... always thought it was going to be Big Rogie !
http://www.joe.ie/sports/random-sports-stuff/boxer-takes-on-twitter-troll-in-truly-epic-fashion-0035296-1
Tyson Fury is completely bonkers - good singer though!! ;D His cousin looks half decent though not sure about the quality of his opponent!
Fury knows how to raise his profile, can't believe his singing. Was an entertaining fight though, showed balls to attack instead of sitting back after the knock down.
I see that Matthew Macklin has signed up to fight Gennady Golovkin. Can't see anything but a KO win for GG. Macklin isn't anything special either, I suppose he gets a bit of attention as he is someone that the Irish media like to class as one of their own.
For anyone considering getting out boxnation tonight to see the Floyd Mayweather vs Roberto Guerrero fight you can save yourself a tenner by using the code BOXINGTV.
When first registering you get charged a tenner registration fee as well as your £10 a month subscription. If you use the above code then you don't have to pay the registration fee.
Another masterclass by The Money Team
Quote from: JimStynes on May 05, 2013, 06:11:09 AM
Another masterclass by The Money Team
Apparently he got $32m for last nights fight.
Mayweather promotions, he basically paid himself
Quote from: JimStynes on May 05, 2013, 09:25:14 AM
Mayweather promotions, he basically paid himself
Nope - CBS, the parent of Showtime paid him. Great article on the Guardian the other day about the potential sums involved in his new deal.
Hopefully Mayweather fights Saul Alvarez next, that would be some fight.
Quote from: Minder on May 05, 2013, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 05, 2013, 06:11:09 AM
Another masterclass by The Money Team
Apparently he got $32m for last nights fight.
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/TrealCity22/MoneyMayweather.gif)
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 22, 2013, 09:30:47 AM
Fury knows how to raise his profile, can't believe his singing. Was an entertaining fight though, showed balls to attack instead of sitting back after the knock down.
I see that Matthew Macklin has signed up to fight Gennady Golovkin. Can't see anything but a KO win for GG. Macklin isn't anything special either, I suppose he gets a bit of attention as he is someone that the Irish media like to class as one of their own.
Macklin is pretty clearly in the top five-seven worldwide at his weight, one of the most competitive weights in the sport at that. He already has one world title win under his belt, whatever the German judges think. Less of the glib.
Any freebie streams for Froch v Kessler?
Could be fight of the year, while I want to see Froch win i was suprised to see so many people tipping him (non-English too).
Quote from: bennydorano on May 25, 2013, 08:53:13 PM
Any freebie streams for Froch v Kessler?
Could be fight of the year, while I want to see Froch win i was suprised to see so many people tipping him (non-English too).
Try thon...
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/188324/1/watch-mikkel-kessler-vs-carl-froch.html (http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/188324/1/watch-mikkel-kessler-vs-carl-froch.html)
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9323856/floyd-mayweather-jr-fight-canelo-alvarez-sept-14
QuoteThis time the fight that boxing fans want to see most got made.
Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. and junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez signed on Wednesday night to fight Sept. 14 in the main event of a Showtime pay-per-view event at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas in the biggest fight boxing has to offer.
"I chose my opponent for September 14th and it's Canelo Alvarez," Mayweather tweeted to break the news. "I'm giving the fans what they want."
Mayweather holds a world title at welterweight (147 pounds), but he also still owns a junior middleweight title (154), which he won by outpointing Miguel Cotto in May 2012. After that fight, Mayweather returned to welterweight and defended the title against Roberto Guerrero in a lopsided unanimous decision win on May 4 at the MGM Grand.
But he is moving back up in weight to face Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KOs) with their belts on the line, although the fight will be contested at a catchweight of 152 pounds.
"It's a done deal and Floyd is very excited to give the fans what they want," Leonard Ellerbe, chief executive of Mayweather Promotions and one of Mayweather's closest advisers, told ESPN.com. "This is the fight they wanted and this is what they are getting. It's the biggest fight in all of boxing. It's the biggest fight Floyd can possibly make."
Added Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer, Alvarez's promoter, who also has promoted Mayweather's past seven bouts on a fight-by-fight basis: "This is the big one, the only one. It's the one everyone wants to see."
Should be a great fight
Has Manny Pacquio quit? Was it rumoured he'd MS?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9323856/floyd-mayweather-jr-fight-canelo-alvarez-sept-14
QuoteThis time the fight that boxing fans want to see most got made.
Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. and junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez signed on Wednesday night to fight Sept. 14 in the main event of a Showtime pay-per-view event at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas in the biggest fight boxing has to offer.
"I chose my opponent for September 14th and it's Canelo Alvarez," Mayweather tweeted to break the news. "I'm giving the fans what they want."
Mayweather holds a world title at welterweight (147 pounds), but he also still owns a junior middleweight title (154), which he won by outpointing Miguel Cotto in May 2012. After that fight, Mayweather returned to welterweight and defended the title against Roberto Guerrero in a lopsided unanimous decision win on May 4 at the MGM Grand.
But he is moving back up in weight to face Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KOs) with their belts on the line, although the fight will be contested at a catchweight of 152 pounds.
"It's a done deal and Floyd is very excited to give the fans what they want," Leonard Ellerbe, chief executive of Mayweather Promotions and one of Mayweather's closest advisers, told ESPN.com. "This is the fight they wanted and this is what they are getting. It's the biggest fight in all of boxing. It's the biggest fight Floyd can possibly make."
Added Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer, Alvarez's promoter, who also has promoted Mayweather's past seven bouts on a fight-by-fight basis: "This is the big one, the only one. It's the one everyone wants to see."
Should be a great fight
The first line in that article made me burst out laughing.
Among boxing fans - it is a fight they all wanted to see ???
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2013, 09:17:08 PM
Among boxing fans - it is a fight they all wanted to see ???
I'm as much a boxing fan as anyone, thanks.
Pacman/Money is
still the fight everyone beyond anoraks wants to see, the Money/Alvarez fight barely registers in comparison. That line is a wonderful piece of creative licence.
Quote from: Syferus on May 30, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2013, 09:17:08 PM
Among boxing fans - it is a fight they all wanted to see ???
I'm as much a boxing fan as anyone, thanks.
Pacman/Money is still the fight everyone beyond anoraks wants to see, the Money/Alvarez fight barely registers in comparison. That line is a wonderful piece of creative licence.
I don't think that Pacquaio and Mayweather is the fight anymore given Pacquaio's recent form. Alvarez looks good but then again his record is beefed up with a lot of fillers.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2013, 08:36:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 30, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2013, 09:17:08 PM
Among boxing fans - it is a fight they all wanted to see ???
I'm as much a boxing fan as anyone, thanks.
Pacman/Money is still the fight everyone beyond anoraks wants to see, the Money/Alvarez fight barely registers in comparison. That line is a wonderful piece of creative licence.
I don't think that Pacquaio and Mayweather is the fight anymore given Pacquaio's recent form. Alvarez looks good but then again his record is beefed up with a lot of fillers.
He's also fought 43 times by the age of 22 and has noticeably shifted up in class over the last few years. Factor in the size difference Mayweather will face on the night (Canelo will pack on the guts of a stone following the weigh-in) and it's the riskiest fight out there for Floyd to take at the minute. Pacquiao may still hold some interest, but it's a fight that should have happened three years ago and everyone knows it.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2013, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2013, 08:36:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 30, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2013, 09:17:08 PM
Among boxing fans - it is a fight they all wanted to see ???
I'm as much a boxing fan as anyone, thanks.
Pacman/Money is still the fight everyone beyond anoraks wants to see, the Money/Alvarez fight barely registers in comparison. That line is a wonderful piece of creative licence.
I don't think that Pacquaio and Mayweather is the fight anymore given Pacquaio's recent form. Alvarez looks good but then again his record is beefed up with a lot of fillers.
He's also fought 43 times by the age of 22 and has noticeably shifted up in class over the last few years. Factor in the size difference Mayweather will face on the night (Canelo will pack on the guts of a stone following the weigh-in) and it's the riskiest fight out there for Floyd to take at the minute. Pacquiao may still hold some interest, but it's a fight that should have happened three years ago and everyone knows it.
Aye, it could still happen but wont have the same appeal. Canelo will be big and strong and as you mentioned it is probably the riskiest fight out there for Mayweather, but in a way he knows he probably couldn't run from Canelo after running from Pacquaio as his legacy would take a serious hit, so better to face Canelo now as opposed to in his 50th fight when Mayweather will be older and obviously not as good with Canelo having improved in the intervening period. Who will be the other four fights for Mayweather? Will he get the 50-0? I imagine that is what he is aiming for, get the 50-0 and retire, putting himself ahead of Marciano.
Quote from: Syferus on May 30, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2013, 09:17:08 PM
Among boxing fans - it is a fight they all wanted to see ???
I'm as much a boxing fan as anyone, thanks.
Pacman/Money is still the fight everyone beyond anoraks wants to see, the Money/Alvarez fight barely registers in comparison. That line is a wonderful piece of creative licence.
Sorry, but you're wrong. However, that isn't to say that I think this is a bigger fight than Pacman vs Mayweather would have been pre the KO loss to Marquez, because it isn't.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2013, 01:52:52 PM
Who will be the other four fights for Mayweather?
Dunno about the four, but I'd like to see him, weight permitting, round it out against Broner.
Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2013, 01:52:52 PM
Who will be the other four fights for Mayweather?
Dunno about the four, but I'd like to see him, weight permitting, round it out against Broner.
At his weight now, unfortunately it isn't that interesting. If Pacquiao hangs around, he probably gets a shot, Marquez might get a rematch though personally wouldn't be too interested in seeing that. From just below, Matthysse might step up in weight or Danny Garcia, but i'd prefer Matthysse. Above him, possibly Trout at 154 if he comes back well from loss to Canelo. I'd imagine anything at middleweight is a step too far even for Floyd, but if he was to go there then Martinez or Golovkin would be interesting. Geale is a good boxer but would need to build up a bit more of a name before he would be considered i'd imagine.
I'd like to see Broner as well, though I'd like to see Broner vs Gamboa before he makes any step up in weight.
Let's see what Khan can do with Virgil Hunter. If he gets a few good wins, then would probably be entertaining - Khan is rarely in a boring fight. That said I think Mayweather would wipe the floor with him
Katie Taylor has won a fifth consecutive European title today.
Is the Haye and Fury fight on Sky Box Office - how did that happen if Fury had the deal with CH5? What is the craic with Boxnation and their payments. Looking to get the Mayweather fight and wondering if you can pay a one off fee.
Is there any way to get BoxNation on UPC in the south? Really don't want to have to resort to a dodgy stream for the Mayweather fight.
Doesn't look like there's a way to get BoxNation on UPC or online. Anyone able to recommend as reliable source for streaming?
Quote from: gallsman on September 13, 2013, 11:59:58 AM
Doesn't look like there's a way to get BoxNation on UPC or online. Anyone able to recommend as reliable source for streaming?
Type in boxing guru to google and should give you a link
Has anyone been watching the All access series on mayweather & canelo as a build up to the fight?
All 4 episodes should all be on youtube.
They are all about hyping the fight, but are still very good
Hype for this is a joke. Mayweather will get on his bike and pick him off all night. Cant believe so many are buying into this contest, a marketing masterclass from the promoters
cant see anything other than a floyd victory on pts
Tempted to get it on Boxnation, how much is it now with them? Haven't seen much of Alvarez to be honest but over the past 2 or 3 years he has been billed as the next big thing so is he not genuinely in with a chance? I'm sure De La Hoya will have had a hand in how he fights tactically considering how he fared against Mayweather a few years back when the golden boy was far past his best yet won the fight in my eyes.
Agreed, Mayweather on points but still think Canelo will give a good account of himself. He'll be the biggest and strongest Floyd has faced.
Looking forward to Garcia-Matthyse more than the main event! One of them is going to be seeing stars.
Mayweather will be on the canvas @ some stage in this fight. Should be a cracker
Quote from: Under Lights on September 13, 2013, 02:28:24 PM
From watching the All Access shows you have to say PBF has a lot of hangers on.
Understatement of the year! They're lackeys and they know it, Floyd knows it, everybody knows it. There was one scene in the final All Access where Mayweather said something along the lines of "I've just had a thought, he not Mexican, he's Irish". Cue the whole gym laughing uproariously. Canelo's appearance has been talked about since he first arrived on the scene and if it's taken Floyd and his crew this long to thing "pasty skinned ginger kid looks Irish", you'd worry about a lot of them.
What does everyone thing of All Access? I think it's shite compared to 24/7 but the first three for this fight were ok. The fourth was crap.
Quote from: Under Lights on September 13, 2013, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 13, 2013, 02:22:29 PM
Mayweather will be on the canvas @ some stage in this fight. Should be a cracker
Would be interesting to see that. How would he deal with it? Never happened in his professional career.
From watching the All Access shows you have to say PBF has a lot of hangers on. A lot of people getting paid big bucks to just be there lavishing attention on him. Kinda sad really when you think about it. Probably goes back to the lack of attention he got from his parents at youth. Wikipedia his story. Interesting enough.
Spoke with a big boxing fan yesterday who feels if the Donegal Mexican can handle the weight drop, will possess enough raw power to really trouble Mayweather. Turned pro @ 15 apparently! Pity it on so ba$tardin late / early
Everyone makes weight, Canelo not looking overly drained.
What time are mayweather & canelo likely to start? 3ish?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 15, 2013, 01:20:38 AM
What time are mayweather & canelo likely to start? 3ish?
Starting soon, it's 9.17pm here so 5.17am back home
That was a master class- how one judge scored that as a draw is a complete and utter joke.
younger bigger faster stronger maybe- but still not half the boxer? If alvares learns from that he'll be some boxer in a few years, maybe even the golden ticket for number 50 but for now outclassed.
I don't know what gets close to Mayweather - he really made Alvares look absolutely ordinary.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 13, 2013, 02:22:29 PM
Mayweather will be on the canvas @ some stage in this fight. Should be a cracker
Damp squib.
Such a gulf in class.
The gravy train keeps moving on.
Quote from: orangeman on September 15, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 13, 2013, 02:22:29 PM
Mayweather will be on the canvas @ some stage in this fight. Should be a cracker
Damp squib.
Such a gulf in class.
The gravy train keeps moving on.
10-4...some operator in the ring
would have liked to seen Mayweather in with someone like Roberto Duran in his heyday who was the most fearsome lightweight since Benny Leonard, He not in the weight class of Jones, Hearns, hagler or Sugar Ray at Middle weight can really compare as all would been too strong for him, and Although he fought a while at welterweight, the original Sugar Ray Robinson would have made mince meat out of him, the Reality is boxing hasn't got any really great fighters about to compare him against and he avoided the only other great fighter of that era in Manny (though he past it now)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 15, 2013, 02:20:19 PM
would have liked to seen Mayweather in with someone like Roberto Duran in his heyday who was the most fearsome lightweight since Benny Leonard, He not in the weight class of Jones, Hearns, hagler or Sugar Ray at Middle weight can really compare as all would been too strong for him, and Although he fought a while at welterweight, the original Sugar Ray Robinson would have made mince meat out of him, the Reality is boxing hasn't got any really great fighters about to compare him against and he avoided the only other great fighter of that era in Manny (though he past it now)
Jesus Christ! The man is a genius! He's beat over 20 world champions and made most of them look shite in the process. A drugged up manny pacquaio wouldn't have stood a chance either! He's now in the history books with the greatest of all time.
What a crock of shite. Mayweather spent years running away from Pacquiao offering excuse after excuse. That's Mayweathers true legacy.
People just cant admit Mayweather is once in a generation boxer and enjoy his talent while he is still around. He just made a great fighter look very ordinary. Even the press who go after Mayweather after every fight are now taking their hat off to him and admitting that he is simply just too good. He is a dickhead but an absolute joy to watch his boxing ability.
The pacquaio fight was complicated with lots of factors making the fight not happening. Pac was on the gear at the time when he was going through his bad boy phase. Next thing he is saved by god and a different man, goes off the PEDs and loses the next few fights. For the failure to organise the fight I put the blame on Pacquaio, Arum and Floyd himself for not getting it organised. It's history now though, 2010 Pac v Floyd would have been a good fight with Floyd winning easily on points but 2013 Floyd v Pac would end in a stoppage win to floyd. No point in making the fight, safer going after the likes of Garcia.
Quote from: under the bar on September 15, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
What a crock of shite. Mayweather spent years running away from Pacquiao offering excuse after excuse. That's Mayweathers true legacy.
What utter nonsense.
Fcuk me, are you Floyd's spin doctor or something?? The only factors stopping the fight going ahead was Mayweathers baseless allegations that Pacquiao, the world no.1, was a drugs cheat. Mayweather then demanded that Pac agree to a more stringent testing than the governing body required. The Pac camp quite rightly told the challenger to go fcuk himself. Then to shut the mouthy yank up he agreed to the 14 day drug test. Having had the rug pulled from under his arguement, Mayweather came out with another smokescreen and ran off to hide again.
Quote from: under the bar on September 15, 2013, 11:20:57 PM
Fcuk me, are you Floyd's spin doctor or something?? The only factors stopping the fight going ahead was Mayweathers baseless allegations that Pacquiao, the world no.1, was a drugs cheat. Mayweather then demanded that Pac agree to a more stringent testing than the governing body required. The Pac camp quite rightly told the challenger to go fcuk himself. Then to shut the mouthy yank up he agreed to the 14 day drug test. Having had the rug pulled from under his arguement, Mayweather came out with another smokescreen and ran off to hide again.
Lot more politics to it than that. Mayweather cannot stand the sight of Bob Arum who is Pac's promoter and vice versa. If two people really dislike each other, its very difficult to do business.
Would have loved to have seen it happen, still think Mayweather wins but with Pac's speed could give him some trouble.
Who would we like to see PBF fight next? Know this wont be to everyone's liking but id like to see him fight Amir Khan for some reason. Khan has fast hands and think it would be an interesting fight, its one id like to see anyway.
Floyd seems to be able to deal with power punchers as he can negate their style so they cant really get any power shots off at him. Id like to see him face someone with genuine hand speed like Khan.
I suppose Danny Garcia would also be an interesting fight
Quote from: Christmas Lights on September 16, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
Quote from: under the bar on September 15, 2013, 11:20:57 PM
Fcuk me, are you Floyd's spin doctor or something?? The only factors stopping the fight going ahead was Mayweathers baseless allegations that Pacquiao, the world no.1, was a drugs cheat. Mayweather then demanded that Pac agree to a more stringent testing than the governing body required. The Pac camp quite rightly told the challenger to go fcuk himself. Then to shut the mouthy yank up he agreed to the 14 day drug test. Having had the rug pulled from under his arguement, Mayweather came out with another smokescreen and ran off to hide again.
Lot more politics to it than that. Mayweather cannot stand the sight of Bob Arum who is Pac's promoter and vice versa. If two people really dislike each other, its very difficult to do business.
Would have loved to have seen it happen, still think Mayweather wins but with Pac's speed could give him some trouble.
Who would we like to see PBF fight next? Know this wont be to everyone's liking but id like to see him fight Amir Khan for some reason. Khan has fast hands and think it would be an interesting fight, its one id like to see anyway.
Floyd seems to be able to deal with power punchers as he can negate their style so they cant really get any power shots off at him. Id like to see him face someone with genuine hand speed like Khan.
I suppose Danny Garcia would also be an interesting fight
Garcia would get absolutely taken to the cleaners. I reckon Mayweather would win all 12 rounds if it went that long. Garcia has a good chin though, so may last the distance but he'd probably take a horrific beating.
I'd love to see Floyd step up. Fighting anyone under 154lbs is going to be the same result so time to spice things up. Weather it is feasible or not I don't know. You'd imagine that someone like Martinez or Golovkin would be too big and powerful but with Floyd you just never know.
He never fought a truely great fighter, alot of good fighters on the slide like De La Hoya,Mosely yes, as for world champions, there is maybe 20 -30 belts out there, then add that to 4 different federations, then hes going into end up fighting men who already have belts, compare that to the days of sugar ray Robinson when there were only 8 belts, could he have went with Henry Armstrong who won 3 belts at different weights when the weight difference was huge. Even Roberto Duran took on Hearns and Hagler when he knew the weight different would count against him. Hes a very good fighter of this era but not even in the top 5 of all time at his weight level. Could you imagine him moving up a weight class to middle weight to fight someone like Roy jone Jr when he fought at that weight, he get destroyed.
Haye v Fury postponed due to Haye getting injured
Quote from: Minder on September 21, 2013, 12:50:49 PM
Haye v Fury postponed due to Haye getting injured
That's very disappointing. Was looking forward to watching this fight. That's two fights in a row Haye has pulled out of and only one fight in two and a half years. I wonder is he losing the heart for it? I can't understand why he'd risk sparring so close to the fight.
apparently his last session before the fight. Accidents happen and all that, but seriously thats an expensive 7 stitches..
Amir Khan is to do battle with Floyd Mayweather in the richest fight ever to involve a British boxer.
Bolton's former Olympic hero will meet the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in the world in Las Vegas on May 3.
Khan's share of this $200million blockbuster is expected to be no less than $6m and is likely to climb to at least double that from pay-TV sales on both sides of the Atlantic.
The official announcement will be made in the next few days and Khan has already pulled out of his challenge to world welterweight champion Devon Alexander, scheduled for December 7 in New York, to ensure that his dream fight with Mayweather is not jeopardised.
Khan is being given this opportunity of a lifetime thanks to a conviction in America that his exceptional speed will present a unique test to Mayweather, who has dealt imperiously with all threats from bigger and supposedly stronger foes.
Stephen Espinosa, head of sports for the giant Showtime cable TV network which bankrolls both men, says: 'Floyd has seen off the tough, heavy punchers. It remains to be seen what he will do against extreme speed and I like the Khan fight very much.'
Khan had already begun preparing in California to face Alexander and will remain almost permanently in camp there with his new trainer Virgil Hunter for the next seven months.
Mayweather had expressed interest in fighting at Wembley but reliable sources in America confirm that prospect has been discounted on financial grounds.
Not only would an early-afternoon timing in the US compromise pay-per-view takings there but even a live gate of 70,000 at the stadium would generate revenue of no more than £7million. There are also significant tax benefits from boxing in Nevada.
Mayweather's master-class victory over Canelo Alvarez broke the $20m (£12.5m) barrier for ticket sales at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Vegas, while Showtime pay-per-view subscriptions reached $157m... and rising.
Khan's chance comes even though, as a two-time world light-welterweight champion, he lost his belts in successive bouts with Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia.
Even though he has redeemed himself with comeback victories over Carlos Molina and another former world champion, Julio Diaz, he will be viewed in some quarters as jumping the queue to board the Mayweather money train.
However, the ring's newest mantra is 'speed kills' and Golden Boy, the promoters of both men, will be using that special asset of Khan's as a foundation of the massive marketing campaign to come.
That will include a TV documentary series, with the episodes focusing on Khan providing an exotic and fascinating insight into the life and times of the world's pre-eminent, newly-wed Asian boxer.
There will also be a multi-city promotional tour in the new year, which will bring Mayweather to Britain.
Initial public reaction is likely to be that Khan has little chance against the the superlative ring craftsman of his generation and he will enter the betting as a heavy underdog.
Those odds are likely to shorten, however, as boxing weighs up all the factors surrounding the most extraordinary evening of Khan's existence.
While Mayweather is nothing short of being a genius in the ring he struggled in the early rounds against the speed of Zab Judah – who Khan KO'd in six - before securing a points victory.
Nor is he a one-punch knockout artist like the two men to have stopped Khan, namely Garcia and Breidis Prescott.
Mayweather is more a cumulative puncher and when he stopped Ricky Hatton six years ago the concussive effect was compounded by Manchester's Hitman striking his head against a corner post as he went down.
Then there is the age factor. Khan, who will be 27 in December, is 10 years younger than Mayweather, who has announced that he is in the final stages of his career.
This will be the third in his series of six fights with Showtime on a contract expected to net him more than $200m. He has banked $41.5m from his virtuoso performance against Canelo, with more to come when figures are in for overseas TV and merchandising revenue.
It is unclear whether he will box on beyond the end of that contract in the autumn of 2015. That decision is likely to depend on whether he shows signs of slowing down. Older boxers can hit the age barrier at any moment, virtually without notice.
While that is unlikely to afflict Mayweather as early next May, the interim does give Khan the time to be in the most potent condition of his life.
Khan has promised Hunter that he will eschew his celebrity lifestyle of late, after his trainer warned that nothing less will do from now on than Mayweather's exemplary, rigorous commitment to 'hard work and dedication.'
He will have to remain grounded through the star-spangled hype which will precede this happening of immense sporting magnitude, complete with its chat show appearances on network television.
And where Alvarez whipped up the support and hard cash of tens of millions of his Mexican fans, Khan will be expected to excite massive interest in Asian communities in America, Britain, the Middle East and across the world.
No matter how wary the British reservations may be about his chances of dethroning the great Mayweather, there is certain to be a trans-Atlantic invasion of Las Vegas next spring.
While the number of supporters following Khan may not reach the 30,000 who made the pilgrimage for Hatton's tilt at Mayweather in 2007, the British interest seems certain to push the MGM gate revenue record for boxing in Nevada even higher.
And, in one crucial sense, the belief that Mayweather is omnipotent works heavily in favour of our highest profile ambassador for Anglo-Moslem relations.
Khan is totally convinced that his speed and skills can overcome Mayweather.
Even if he fails in that ambitious bid for ultimate ring glory, no-one will think any the worse of him.
And if he were to lose heroically in a terrific fight he will enjoy enormous exposure and acclaim around the world – with his market value for future world title challenges as significantly enhanced as his experience of the mega-occasion.
This, for Khan, this, is a no-lose situation.
Boxing should be good tonight, McCullough beat Casey tonight which I'm sure to Casey was a shock, knocked him out in the 10. Promising fighter. Carl will have a tight enough fight to but should put in down in the middle rounds.
Jamie fight on soon, this guy he's fighting has a decent record so it should be close. lol, Jamie knocked him out in the first lol
any links for the fight??
Cracking fight and fair play to Carl, hopefully a title fight now on the back of that performance
Quote from: hardstation on October 19, 2013, 11:31:08 PM
Take it he won? Good man The Jackel.
6th round stoppage I believe.
Quote from: hardstation on October 19, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
Hmm, "cracking fight" may be a bit subjective then.
Why? the French lad was boxing well, was very tough and took some decent punches and had a great counter jab, Carl fought a cracking fight and the body punch that put the French fighter down was a smashing punch. Did you watch it? Be difficult for you to judge my post on it I'd say.
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Quote from: hardstation on October 19, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
Hmm, "cracking fight" may be a bit subjective then.
Why? the French lad was boxing well, was very tough and took some decent punches and had a great counter jab, Carl fought a cracking fight and the body punch that put the French fighter down was a smashing punch. Did you watch it? Be difficult for you to judge my post on it I'd say.
That's like saying Mayo v Donegal was a cracking game of football. Frampton gave him a hiding.
Quote from: Franko on October 20, 2013, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2013, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 19, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
Hmm, "cracking fight" may be a bit subjective then.
Why? the French lad was boxing well, was very tough and took some decent punches and had a great counter jab, Carl fought a cracking fight and the body punch that put the French fighter down was a smashing punch. Did you watch it? Be difficult for you to judge my post on it I'd say.
That's like saying Mayo v Donegal was a cracking game of football. Frampton gave him a hiding.
Yes he did, and it was a cracking fight for Carl, the french fighter fought well considering the barrage of punches coming in, but sure it's all about opinions. Been plenty of fights were one fighter will dominate and its still called a cracking fight or great fight.
This hopefully will lead on to another fight with Kiko or even a fight with Quigg. The other champions are a step too far for Frampton, so it's a wait and see situation.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2013, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 20, 2013, 01:33:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2013, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 19, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
Hmm, "cracking fight" may be a bit subjective then.
Why? the French lad was boxing well, was very tough and took some decent punches and had a great counter jab, Carl fought a cracking fight and the body punch that put the French fighter down was a smashing punch. Did you watch it? Be difficult for you to judge my post on it I'd say.
That's like saying Mayo v Donegal was a cracking game of football. Frampton gave him a hiding.
Yes he did, and it was a cracking fight for Carl, the french fighter fought well considering the barrage of punches coming in, but sure it's all about opinions. Been plenty of fights were one fighter will dominate and its still called a cracking fight or great fight.
This hopefully will lead on to another fight with Kiko or even a fight with Quigg. The other champions are a step too far for Frampton, so it's a wait and see situation.
I doubt many Parodi fans would describe it as a great fight. But like you say, it's all about opinions. Hope Frampton kicks on from here. Could never have too many big fight nights in Belfast.
As part of their Legendary Nights series, HBO aired "The Tale of Gatti Ward" last night after the Alvarado fight.
Beautifully crafted documentary, up there with the best boxing docs you will see:
http://www.putlocker.com/embed/E9BBBE2946A36C98
After clicking the link, click "Close ad and watch as free user", then on the next screen click "Start video now", that will bypass any registration crap.
P.S Well done the Jackal last night. Bigger challenges lie ahead but there is no reason why he can't be a World Champion. Go fight Kiko Martinez again and win his belt, go to Spain if you have to. Any great fighter should have a travelling fan base and a trip to Spain would be a good testing ground ahead of any trans-atlantic trips that may take place in the next couple of years. Let Quigg stay on his own separate trajectory for as long as possible. If Frampton and Quigg both meet as world champions it will be that extra bit special and the difference in terms of money on offer to both fighters would be significant !
Just stay away from Rigondeaux ! The Belfast Jackal is not ready to face the Cuban "El Chacal" (Jackal), not yet ...
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 20, 2013, 02:40:02 PM
Just stay away from Rigondeaux ! The Belfast Jackal is not ready to face the Cuban "El Chacal" (Jackal), not yet ...
I like Frampton and he seems to be improving all the time but he's nowhere close to Rigo's level and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he does win a world title, I don't know if McGuigan is the manager and promoter to turn him into a global attraction for the likes of Rigo or Donaire.
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 20, 2013, 02:40:02 PM
Just stay away from Rigondeaux ! The Belfast Jackal is not ready to face the Cuban "El Chacal" (Jackal), not yet ...
I like Frampton and he seems to be improving all the time but he's nowhere close to Rigo's level and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he does win a world title, I don't know if McGuigan is the manager and promoter to turn him into a global attraction for the likes of Rigo or Donaire.
Maybe not but if he wins the other titles it could lead to that, as Atticus_Finch said win the other ones and have a go at the states, It killed Barry but having been there before he could be better prepared. Carl's very composed in his fights, when he fought Kiko it was the the only time I saw him flustered but he managed to win that fight
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 20, 2013, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2013, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 20, 2013, 02:40:02 PM
Just stay away from Rigondeaux ! The Belfast Jackal is not ready to face the Cuban "El Chacal" (Jackal), not yet ...
I like Frampton and he seems to be improving all the time but he's nowhere close to Rigo's level and I'm not sure he ever will be. If he does win a world title, I don't know if McGuigan is the manager and promoter to turn him into a global attraction for the likes of Rigo or Donaire.
Maybe not but if he wins the other titles it could lead to that, as Atticus_Finch said win the other ones and have a go at the states, It killed Barry but having been there before he could be better prepared. Carl's very composed in his fights, when he fought Kiko it was the the only time I saw him flustered but he managed to win that fight
Hopefully. There's no way somebody with the ambitions Frampton apparently has should have been out of action for so long after the Martinez fight.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on October 20, 2013, 02:40:02 PM
As part of their Legendary Nights series, HBO aired "The Tale of Gatti Ward" last night after the Alvarado fight.
Beautifully crafted documentary, up there with the best boxing docs you will see:
http://www.putlocker.com/embed/E9BBBE2946A36C98
After clicking the link, click "Close ad and watch as free user", then on the next screen click "Start video now", that will bypass any registration crap.
P.S Well done the Jackal last night. Bigger challenges lie ahead but there is no reason why he can't be a World Champion. Go fight Kiko Martinez again and win his belt, go to Spain if you have to. Any great fighter should have a travelling fan base and a trip to Spain would be a good testing ground ahead of any trans-atlantic trips that may take place in the next couple of years. Let Quigg stay on his own separate trajectory for as long as possible. If Frampton and Quigg both meet as world champions it will be that extra bit special and the difference in terms of money on offer to both fighters would be significant !
Just stay away from Rigondeaux ! The Belfast Jackal is not ready to face the Cuban "El Chacal" (Jackal), not yet ...
That was brilliant!! Ive watch their fights 20 times they keep getting better. Two warriors.
Good luck to Jason Quigley in todays World championship boxing final this morning.The 1st Irish male boxer to reach a final.I think he has won his last 34 fights.
Anyone heard of Dennis Hogan fighting for Australian middleweight championship in brisbane in couple of weeks, lad from Kildare.
Did anyone see the semi final fight between Big Joe Ward and the Cuban World Champion. Sorry I forget his name, but the Cuban guy was unbelievable. I've never seen speed, movement, style or cockiness like it in all my life. He was like a cross between Naseem Hamed and Apollo Creed.
Quote from: Feckitt on October 26, 2013, 09:05:51 AM
Did anyone see the semi final fight between Big Joe Ward and the Cuban World Champion. Sorry I forget his name, but the Cuban guy was unbelievable. I've never seen speed, movement, style or cockiness like it in all my life. He was like a cross between Naseem Hamed and Apollo Creed.
Throw a link up there if u find one.
Quote from: Feckitt on October 26, 2013, 09:05:51 AM
Did anyone see the semi final fight between Big Joe Ward and the Cuban World Champion. Sorry I forget his name, but the Cuban guy was unbelievable. I've never seen speed, movement, style or cockiness like it in all my life. He was like a cross between Naseem Hamed and Apollo Creed.
Julio La Cruz Peraza. Ward couldn't get close to him. Stunning performance.
Quigley fight will be interesting given he's up against a homer. Amateur boxing can be just as corrupt as it's pro brother.
Quigley would probably have had to knock the head off the Kazah and it'd have probably still been a split descision. A silver medal at the Worlds is a serious achievement.
There seemed to be a genuine dislike between George Groves and Carl Froch on Ringside tonight. Groves really seems to get under Froch's skin - should be interesting.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 31, 2013, 09:38:09 PM
There seemed to be a genuine dislike between George Groves and Carl Froch on Ringside tonight. Groves really seems to get under Froch's skin - should be interesting.
Always liked Froch but the past few months he has been going on like every other boxing knob, especially towards Groves. Would love to see Groves knock him out.
It's all part of it. The trash talk is more entertaining than the fight itself sometimes. That's how they sell fights, Mayweather was sayin he loves playing the pantomime villain. More people buy the fight as they want to see him get knocked out. Groves does always seem to have a chip on his shoulder though.
Quote from: JimStynes on November 01, 2013, 08:07:08 AM
It's all part of it. The trash talk is more entertaining than the fight itself sometimes. That's how they sell fights, Mayweather was sayin he loves playing the pantomime villain. More people buy the fight as they want to see him get knocked out. Groves does always seem to have a chip on his shoulder though.
I know it's all part of it, but there definately seemed like a lot of needle there and it looks like Groves really winds Froch up. I thought Groves game across like a bit of a twat to be honest.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2013, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 01, 2013, 08:07:08 AM
It's all part of it. The trash talk is more entertaining than the fight itself sometimes. That's how they sell fights, Mayweather was sayin he loves playing the pantomime villain. More people buy the fight as they want to see him get knocked out. Groves does always seem to have a chip on his shoulder though.
I know it's all part of it, but there definately seemed like a lot of needle there and it looks like Groves really winds Froch up. I thought Groves game across like a bit of a t**t to be honest.
Only saw the sky show this morning and Groves did look a tube in it, especially with his non stop glaring at Froch. But I think this has been built up by the way Froch has been behaving with regard to him over the past few months with the comments on Groves sparring Kessler etc. Was never as happy to see a fighter win as I was when Groves beat that slabber DeGale, would like to see him beat Froch too.
Wouldn't be fond of Froch by any means but Groves comes across as a p***k.
I can't see anything other than a win for Froch,Groves isn't in that class yet.
Absence of headgear may seriously affect amatuer Irish boxers in future competitions. Was told * many years ago that the "Irish" boxers in America would have won way more in the past but that they "cut too easily" . Leading with the head will I think result in way more cuts and disqualifications. Might suit the brawlers more than the technically better Irish boxers.
* Told in a pub.
Quote from: Canalman on November 01, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
Absence of headgear may seriously affect amatuer Irish boxers in future competitions. Was told * many years ago that the "Irish" boxers in America would have won way more in the past but that they "cut too easily" . Leading with the head will I think result in way more cuts and disqualifications. Might suit the brawlers more than the technically better Irish boxers.
* Told in a pub.
Should suit fighters like Joe Ward well, heavy hands and if he lads clean he can cause some cuts of his own. Headgear is no help in terms of cushioning blows, it really is only there to stop cuts. Cuts are such a lottery that they could swing either way in any fight.
A story as old as boxing!
James Toney: Requiem for a Heavyweight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24955528 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24955528)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 15, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
A story as old as boxing!
James Toney: Requiem for a Heavyweight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24955528 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24955528)
What makes Toney so tragic is that he lost it all, got it all back and returned to the top and then lost it all again.
He is definitely still coherent, but his speech has really suffered. A legend amoung boxers. Sad to see his demise....
Quote from: Minder on September 21, 2013, 12:50:49 PM
Haye v Fury postponed due to Haye getting injured
Looks like this fight isn't going to happen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/24981216
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 01, 2013, 10:09:22 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2013, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 01, 2013, 08:07:08 AM
It's all part of it. The trash talk is more entertaining than the fight itself sometimes. That's how they sell fights, Mayweather was sayin he loves playing the pantomime villain. More people buy the fight as they want to see him get knocked out. Groves does always seem to have a chip on his shoulder though.
I know it's all part of it, but there definately seemed like a lot of needle there and it looks like Groves really winds Froch up. I thought Groves game across like a bit of a t**t to be honest.
Only saw the sky show this morning and Groves did look a tube in it, especially with his non stop glaring at Froch. But I think this has been built up by the way Froch has been behaving with regard to him over the past few months with the comments on Groves sparring Kessler etc. Was never as happy to see a fighter win as I was when Groves beat that slabber DeGale, would like to see him beat Froch too.
Groves is a bit of an arrogant a$$. Don't understand the anti-Froch sentiments by a few. He's a man's man in and out of the ring. He usually carries himself very well in the lead up to the fights, lost the run of himself in the PR in the lead up to the Kessler fight (but apologised to MK pretty much immed) and you could see the respect the 2 men had for each other @ ringside after. He is some warrior, and in this day n age, he's a breath of fresh air as he ducks no-one. From the 1st bell, to the final bell, you know yer gonna get some vfm
IMO, Groves will get pummeled. Looking forward to this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkVkPS12Twk
any streams for grooves froch?
http://firstrownow.eu/watch/223264/1/watch-carl-froch-vs-george-groves,-ibf-wba-super-middleweigh-.html
Saw this on twitter
http://www.viplivesports.eu/boxing/191759/1/-ibf-wba-super-middleweight-titles-:-carl-froch-vs-george-groves-live-stream-online.html
cheers lads
Old cute Jim Watt is never slow to pin his colours to the guy he thinks is gonna win
Some scrap
Quote from: J OGorman on November 23, 2013, 11:17:19 PM
Old cute Jim Watt is never slow to pin his colours to the guy he thinks is gonna win
Some scrap
Is that the co commentators name?? Some bias alright!!
What a joke. No wonder boxing has such a bad rep. Robbery
Quote from: ballinaman on November 23, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
What a joke. No wonder boxing has such a bad rep. Robbery
I hear what you are saying lad, but the ref seen groves take 7 or 8 bang on the head and didn't look like he could defend himself. Froch hits hard. Froch did well to get up from that sweet hit in Rd 1. He's a tough nut. Rematch
Quote from: J OGorman on November 23, 2013, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 23, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
What a joke. No wonder boxing has such a bad rep. Robbery
I hear what you are saying lad, but the ref seen groves take 7 or 8 bang on the head and didn't look like he could defend himself. Froch hits hard. Froch did well to get up from that sweet hit in Rd 1. He's a tough nut. Rematch
He didn't look any worse than Froch did in the 1st round IMO. Sure Froch admitted after in the interview that he just remembered he got knocked down! 1st time Groves looked a bit wobbly and ref grabbed him. Aye, rematch will be decent, I'll be watching anyway!
wat a disgrace , froch took massive shots and the ref never did a thing, its not like groves had his head up in the air taking shots , he had the head down pushing into froch. gutted for him
Quote from: J OGorman on November 23, 2013, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 23, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
What a joke. No wonder boxing has such a bad rep. Robbery
I hear what you are saying lad, but the ref seen groves take 7 or 8 bang on the head and didn't look like he could defend himself. Froch hits hard. Froch did well to get up from that sweet hit in Rd 1. He's a tough nut. Rematch
I wouldn't be surprised if Froch didn't fancy a rematch, though he was beginning to get on top in that fight and probably would have won had the ref let it continue. He was exposed tonight by a younger and very hungry fighter. Age and a lot of tough battles may have caught up on him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 23, 2013, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on November 23, 2013, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 23, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
What a joke. No wonder boxing has such a bad rep. Robbery
I hear what you are saying lad, but the ref seen groves take 7 or 8 bang on the head and didn't look like he could defend himself. Froch hits hard. Froch did well to get up from that sweet hit in Rd 1. He's a tough nut. Rematch
I wouldn't be surprised if Froch didn't fancy a rematch, though he was beginning to get on top in that fight and probably would have won had the ref let it continue. He was exposed tonight by a younger and very hungry fighter. Age and a lot of tough battles may have caught up on him.
Can't be sure of that. Few cheap shots by Froch, he was trying anything.
The scorecards were even worse than the refs decision ffs. What a joke of a stoppage. Groves moving and throwing punches and the ref jumps in and grabs him in a headlock ffs. Froch will know deep down that he was a lucky man tonight.
Groves caught Froch with a dream punch that very few fighters would have got up from. Froch was slow as a result. Have never seen him look as laboured even against Kessler 1 and Ward. To continue like that in itself showed some bottle. Groves was hit repeatedly and didnt look like he could defend himself. Froch hits hard. He may well have finished groves, we'll never know. Fight was maybe stopped early but he could have been badly hurt if a few more had landed. He was bucked against the ropes after the ref stopped it. Exciting stuff
Quote from: ballinaman on November 23, 2013, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 23, 2013, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on November 23, 2013, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 23, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
What a joke. No wonder boxing has such a bad rep. Robbery
I hear what you are saying lad, but the ref seen groves take 7 or 8 bang on the head and didn't look like he could defend himself. Froch hits hard. Froch did well to get up from that sweet hit in Rd 1. He's a tough nut. Rematch
I wouldn't be surprised if Froch didn't fancy a rematch, though he was beginning to get on top in that fight and probably would have won had the ref let it continue. He was exposed tonight by a younger and very hungry fighter. Age and a lot of tough battles may have caught up on him.
Can't be sure of that. Few cheap shots by Froch, he was trying anything.
Indeed, we definitely can't be sure that he would have won, but he was coming more and more into the fight like he tends to do - he was in a battle and he had to do whatever it took to get through it. Froch getting booed was immensely unfair as lesser men would have been long gone after taking some of the shots he was taking, but he dug deep to try and turn the fight around. If anything Froch should be annoyed at the ref too as he's tainted what could possibly have been one of his greatest victories, coming from behind to hold onto his belts. Instead, he gets booed out of the ring!
Terrible stoppage but even worse scoring. Two judges had Groves only one round up which was a joke. The main boxing writer with ESPN had it 7-1 in rounds to Groves. Thought it was 6-2 myself. When the ref jumped in I thought Groves was actually trying to come forward to get himself off the ropes. Ref hopped on him and put him in a headlock.
Eddie Hearn the happiest man in the building.
i thought the fight was closer but Groves definetly in front and a poor display from Froch although the knockdown certainly had an effect,was a standing count not an option for the ref when Groves looked in trouble?,otherwise some of the "you have to knock the defending champion out to get the verdict over the distance" will surface this week in the media
Quote from: washed_up on November 24, 2013, 08:47:40 AM
i thought the fight was closer but Groves definetly in front and a poor display from Froch although the knockdown certainly had an effect,was a standing count not an option for the ref when Groves looked in trouble?,otherwise some of the "you have to knock the defending champion out to get the verdict over the distance" will surface this week in the media
That only happens in amateur boxing.
I would have had it 5-3 @ that stage. Jim watt is such an arse, even the 2 rounds Froch clearly won our jim had had thwm as 'nip n tuck'. The crowd weren't booing Froch, they wanted blood and were booing the premature stoppage...ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!!
Fair dues to Groves, he is a top class boxer, really fast hands and light on his feet but froch was fighting almost from the outset like a heavily handicapped race horse having been nearly pummelled into next week. Some difference watching this division than the heavyweights
Quote from: J OGorman on November 24, 2013, 09:28:26 AM
I would have had it 5-3 @ that stage. Jim watt is such an arse, even the 2 rounds Froch clearly won our jim had had thwm as 'nip n tuck'. The crowd weren't booing Froch, they wanted blood and were booing the premature stoppage...ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!!
Fair dues to Groves, he is a top class boxer, really fast hands and light on his feet but froch was fighting almost from the outset like a heavily handicapped race horse having been nearly pummelled into next week. Some difference watching this division than the heavyweights
Jim Watt's commentary was ridiculously biased for some reason and he only called the shots that Groves was landing. I'd say the crowd were clearly booing Froch at the end - but his 10 minute monologue during his interview didn't help.
I thought Froch had control of the fight before he got knocked down but he was utterly at sixes and sevens after that, he won at most two rounds before the stoppage.
Sickeningly early call by the ref, that ending really pissed me off. You could tell oul' Howard knew he had made a clanger by the look on his face afterwards. Should have let it continue to at the very worst a more conclusive stoppage for Froch. Groves deserved better, he was jobbed.
Froch would be annihilated by GGG.
Premature call certainly but given there was a minute left in the round, I don't think the end would have been too far away. For all his dominance, Groves took some big shots throughout the fight. Froch's chin and heart are just incredible. As is Rachel Cordingley.
Froch looked (or was made to look) very, very old last night. He needs to forget about Ward or GGG (if GGG carried his power up 8lbs and landed the shots Groves did, even someone as tough as Froch would surely go) as the only option if he comes back is a rematch. The least Groves deserves.
Paddy Barnes goes Pro I see
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
Paddy Barnes goes Pro I see
Not according to Paddy on Twitter.
Quote from: dillinger on December 15, 2013, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
Paddy Barnes goes Pro I see
Not according to Paddy on Twitter.
Ah, sure what would he know about it!?
Good to see that Mike Perez's career is finally looking like it's in gear. If he generates a little buzz stateside and stays fit he'll walk his way to Ireland's first heavyweight WC.
So Froch v Groves 2 signed for May 31st. Someone would need to get a hold of Froch and give him a bit of PR training for the build up because if tonight's Sky Sports news is anything to by he is going to make a c**k of himself over the next few months.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
So Froch v Groves 2 signed for May 31st. Someone would need to get a hold of Froch and give him a bit of PR training for the build up because if tonight's Sky Sports news is anything to by he is going to make a c**k of himself over the next few months.
He would needy make some hallion of himself to be at groves level of cockness. Can't see groves landing another of those shots and froch to pummel him in 8 rounds before a knock out or stoppage. He's a different level altogether
Quote from: J OGorman on February 13, 2014, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
So Froch v Groves 2 signed for May 31st. Someone would need to get a hold of Froch and give him a bit of PR training for the build up because if tonight's Sky Sports news is anything to by he is going to make a c**k of himself over the next few months.
He would needy make some hallion of himself to be at groves level of cockness. Can't see groves landing another of those shots and froch to pummel him in 8 rounds before a knock out or stoppage. He's a different level altogether
True, I've always liked Froch but he really can't handle the media stuff with Groves and ends up making himself look a bit silly. Groves is a tw*t but he clearly gets under Froch's skin.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2014, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on February 13, 2014, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 13, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
So Froch v Groves 2 signed for May 31st. Someone would need to get a hold of Froch and give him a bit of PR training for the build up because if tonight's Sky Sports news is anything to by he is going to make a c**k of himself over the next few months.
He would needy make some hallion of himself to be at groves level of cockness. Can't see groves landing another of those shots and froch to pummel him in 8 rounds before a knock out or stoppage. He's a different level altogether
True, I've always liked Froch but he really can't handle the media stuff with Groves and ends up making himself look a bit silly. Groves is a tw*t but he clearly gets under Froch's skin.
That's it..groves seems to know the pressure points. Up until the buildup to their last fight, froch never really got involved in the pre fight sh1te talk. Showed his opponents respect but went to war in the ring. Always enjoy watching him fight, hasn't great skill but has some heart and never dodged a fight like most do
Will be looking forward to this one as there is a fierce scarcity of decent fights to get remotely excited about.
Looking forward to this fight, reckon Groves wills win too.
I see Fury fighting again soon against another highly rated Heavyweight. For all his talk, he seems to be constantly fighting chumps or boys who are far smaller than him. I see he will fight Chisora after this one too, talk about ambition. Sickened that Haye had to pull out as I would have loved to see Fury flattened by a hayemaker.
Not long now until Vasyl Lomachenko goes for the seemingly impossible, trying to win a world title in only his second professional fight. What an achievement if he does it.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 14, 2014, 09:05:46 AM
Looking forward to this fight, reckon Groves wills win too.
I see Fury fighting again soon against another highly rated Heavyweight. For all his talk, he seems to be constantly fighting chumps or boys who are far smaller than him. I see he will fight Chisora after this one too, talk about ambition. Sickened that Haye had to pull out as I would have loved to see Fury flattened by a hayemaker.
Not long now until Vasyl Lomachenko goes for the seemingly impossible, trying to win a world title in only his second professional fight. What an achievement if he does it.
There is a bit of controversy about whether it really is only his 2nd professional fight. Still, whatever way you look at it, I think max it would be only something like his 8th, so some achievement either way. After 2 sounds better from marketing perspective than after 8th though. Jeff Fenech did it after 7 fights.
There will be some trash talking between Froch and Groves before this rematch.Will be great for the ticket sales of course but it does seem like a genuine hatred.I for one can't wait for it!!
Lads if any of you have a link for the Frampton fight on Friday night can you share it here please?
Cheers!
will surely. On Boxnation so there should be a few links about. Frampton is the real deal. King Kane on the under card, hoping for a biggin from the Banagher man
f**king Box Nation. Suppose I'll just have to wait and watch it tomorrow when the pirates release a copy.. I hope.
Quote from: J OGorman on April 04, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
will surely. On Boxnation so there should be a few links about. Frampton is the real deal. King Kane on the under card, hoping for a biggin from the Banagher man
I'm off to the fight tonight, first fight is at 6.10 I'm told!! Carl will hopefully put in a good show. Been to most of his fights (my wife's cousin) and he's put on a great fight, only one fight I remember was laboured due to the height of the lad he was fighting, and Kiko's fight was tense as it was close until he stopped him.
What strikes me about the fights is the headers that go to them, stay outside the hall drink like fook, miss the undercards rush in for the final bout and then start fighting among themselves!! It's a bit hairy to be fair.
Carl is a lovely fella outside of the ring, Barry and Shane have right by him throughout his career so far, hopefully no slip ups tonight before he gets a chance to fight for a title
Any idea what time the main event is on at?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on April 04, 2014, 01:02:32 PM
Any idea what time the main event is on at?
Been told 10.15, though that's not official
have a great night Milltown!! I'd say it will be some atmosphere!!
http://vipbox.co/boxing/watch-176e17-boxing-carl-frampton-hugo-cazares#
Where is Atticus these days?...good man for the boxing analysis
figured it out - cheers!!!
Quote from: J OGorman on April 04, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
http://vipbox.co/boxing/watch-176e17-boxing-carl-frampton-hugo-cazares#
Where is Atticus these days?...good man for the boxing analysis
thanks getting sound only though. full of ads
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http://vipbox.co/boxing/watch-176e17-boxing-carl-frampton-hugo-cazares#
Where is Atticus these days?...good man for the boxing analysis
thanks getting sound only though. full of ads
each of the adds on top of the screen will have a wee tiny x. click it (an add will pop up, close it). do this for 2/3 adds. Click full screen then lad
works great! that dublin fella looks the business - as the commentators pointed out very steve collins like!
main event cant come quick enough! thanks for sharing the link!
Happy days.
Massive fight now for King Kanes! Hope he does the business. Need some of the prize fighter form. He's in some nick
Boom!!!!
http://www.coolsport.tv/stream12-pretty-little-liars-live-streaming.html
Another good stream
and.... http://boxingguru.tv/gurutv1.html
Do ye think we'll see a fight at Casement in the future? (and I'm not talking about a St John's man kicking the shite outta a Rossa thug)
Looks like some craic in the Odyssey! Frampton seems like a good fella as well as a quality boxer. Looking forward to this
Yer man has rarely fought away from Mexico and Japan. Wonder how the pastie baps went down.
Jeez...what a balls up by the Mexican.
Is it just me or did that count start at 6!!
His head was spinning and cocked it up.
Quote from: CD on April 04, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Is it just me or did that count start at 6!!
The count starts as soon as he's down. The ref sends the opponent away, then looks at the timekeeper and takes over.
He winked at the ref to show he was fine to carryon. He just cocked it up...disastrous mistake
Quote from: CD on April 04, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Is it just me or did that count start at 6!!
He skipped 9 in the count! Straight from 8 to 10 - watch his fingers
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Quote from: CD on April 04, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Is it just me or did that count start at 6!!
He skipped 9 in the count! Straight from 8 to 10 - watch his fingers
Bernard dunne mentioned that as well
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2014, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: CD on April 04, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Is it just me or did that count start at 6!!
The count starts as soon as he's down. The ref sends the opponent away, then looks at the timekeeper and takes over.
Thought that - he was certainly down for over 10! Great hit - my head was spinning just looking at it!
8 then 10 is right...madness
Yes, the ref's fingers definitely went from 8 to 10.
Weird one that. Dunne saying he'd have finished him off anyway but that's speculation. He seemed fairly clear-headed when remonstrating with the ref straight away.
Tables turned and Frampton got up in the same circumstances, there'd have been a riot.
Agreed.....thought none of them gave that old warrior any respect there. Has had 15 world title fights. Hasnt been stopped since 1999. Trains hard, travels across the world and doesn't get a fair craic because of a complete and utter cockup by the ref
Not Framptons fault. Class act in and out of the ring. Superb boxer. World champion before the year is out
never saw fight. did the ref make a balls of it?
Frampton knocked him down with a clinker. He stayed on one knee, winked at his corner, smiled at Frampton and seemed OK to continue. The ref counted 6....7....8...10. He jumped up at 10 to say what the feck.
Aye back from fight. We all said same thing. Very strange but in fairness i think Carl would have won out. Started really well and kept up pressure. Seems I might be off to Vegas if this continues.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
Very strange but in fairness i think Carl would have won out.
Impossible to say so early.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
Aye back from fight. We all said same thing. Very strange but in fairness i think Carl would have won out. Started really well and kept up pressure. Seems I might be off to Vegas if this continues.
How were the afters MR? I went to a fight in the Kings Hall a few years back and it was complete madness inside and outside afterwards! Lads fighting all over the shop!
The atmosphere looked amazing - great to see in Belfast!
Its always simmering but last night nothing kicked off and it was a great atmosphere.
Yes O'Neil impossible to say. He could have lost. Or he could have won. He'd be fit to give him a rematch but can't see it happening. The lads done well and hopefully this leads to a shot at a title soon.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0405/606923-nevin-mullingar/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0405/606923-nevin-mullingar/)
Boxer John Joe Nevin Nevin suffers broken leg in Mullingar assault
Some toe-rags in Mullingar.
Quote from: muppet on April 05, 2014, 02:10:55 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0405/606923-nevin-mullingar/ (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0405/606923-nevin-mullingar/)
Boxer John Joe Nevin Nevin suffers broken leg in Mullingar assault
Some toe-rags in Mullingar.
According to the official statement he was attacked by "two cousins, one with a golf club and one with a stick"........
Was watching prize fighter there, christ it's good craic!!
big enzos corner pulled him out after the fifth round with a ba eye, suspected broken eye socket/cheekbone. took heart to fight like for four rounds. this will prob be the end for him now.
That John Joe Nevin story is a terrible shame. We lost the brilliant Darren Sutherland in tragic circumstances and now John Joe's career might be over. It'll take some coming back from. Such a pity.
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 07, 2014, 05:18:43 PM
That John Joe Nevin story is a terrible shame. We lost the brilliant Darren Sutherland in tragic circumstances and now John Joe's career might be over. It'll take some coming back from. Such a pity.
Goes in to act as mediator in a family dispute and get his leg broken (badly) by two of his cousins!
Chap should get the feck away from Mulligar and never come back.
Quote from: Hound on April 08, 2014, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 07, 2014, 05:18:43 PM
That John Joe Nevin story is a terrible shame. We lost the brilliant Darren Sutherland in tragic circumstances and now John Joe's career might be over. It'll take some coming back from. Such a pity.
Goes in to act as mediator in a family dispute and get his leg broken (badly) by two of his cousins!
Chap should get the feck away from Mulligar and never come back.
Advice to live your life by.
In fairness to Mullingar, there's a long running series of feuds with Traveller families, and that's the side effect. We can all sneer and laugh at the videos on You Tube about the Joyces and the Nevins etc (which wasn't this feud I believe) but this is real life.
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Quote from: Hound on April 08, 2014, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 07, 2014, 05:18:43 PM
That John Joe Nevin story is a terrible shame. We lost the brilliant Darren Sutherland in tragic circumstances and now John Joe's career might be over. It'll take some coming back from. Such a pity.
Goes in to act as mediator in a family dispute and get his leg broken (badly) by two of his cousins!
Chap should get the feck away from Mulligar and never come back.
Advice to live your life by.
In fairness to Mullingar, there's a long running series of feuds with Traveller families, and that's the side effect. We can all sneer and laugh at the videos on You Tube about the Joyces and the Nevins etc (which wasn't this feud I believe) but this is real life.
These two boxers gave Carl Frampton so much hassle (boxing terms) while they were all amateurs and could have made the grade at pro level. Sad
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
Certainly not a universal, sweeping statement that can be made. Just look at BOD's farewell tour.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
I agree with the sentiment but not the 90%. Probably closer to 40/60.
Roy Keane & Bono are others who certainly reached the top of their professions that would have at least half of the population wanting to have a go at them. George Best, Alex Higgins also maybe for different reasons.
Sonia & BOD are two obvious exceptions. Paul McGrath also despite his problems, or maybe because of them.
Ive even heard the munster fans slagging off BOD ffs.
Do any of the three Cuban fighters still live in Cork? Whats the craic with Garcia, why has he been so inactive?
Really looking forward to Froch v Groves rematch on Saturday night. Thought their first fight was excellent, the ref unfortunately stepped in a bit too soon.
I think Froch is the better all round fighter, and the better fighter usually wins a rematch. However re-watched their first bout again on youtube last night & cant help but get the feeling that Froch's style is ideally suited to Groves. Groves really had the measure of him for the bulk of the contest
I think this will be a great fight. Bookies have Froch at 4/6 & Groves at 5/4
How do we see this one panning out?
https://t.co/mUoSCLThZU
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Really intrigued on this one, Groves really did hurt Froch in the first first but Froch did look sluggish and out of condition something he has said he has changed this time with the camp.
Something inherently unlikeable about Groves cant quite put my finger on it. I would love to see a proper tear up with both fighters wanting the centre of the ring and going for it.
Could be a more cagey affair though with both men knowing the other can hurt them.
Froch looked old in first fight and once that happens it's difficult to come back. Still think he's the much better fighter but see this one as 50/50.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 08, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2014, 08:05:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
This attitude really does my head in - why is it that anyone who doesn't like McIlroy is labelled as either a sectarian bigot or as being jealous of his success?
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Quote from: JimStynes on April 08, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
This attitude really does my head in - why is it that anyone who doesn't like McIlroy is labelled as either a sectarian bigot or as being jealous of his success?
I don't mind people not liking him, that's their prerogative but there's a lot of people who don't like him for those reasons you stated and when pressed on the issue find it very hard to produce a different reason for not particularly liking him!
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Quote from: Franko on May 27, 2014, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 08, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2014, 07:18:34 PM
Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
This attitude really does my head in - why is it that anyone who doesn't like McIlroy is labelled as either a sectarian bigot or as being jealous of his success?
I don't mind people not liking him, that's their prerogative but there's a lot of people who don't like him for those reasons you stated and when pressed on the issue find it very hard to produce a different reason for not particularly liking him!
Correct Screen, some people actually hate the fact that they are closet bigots ;) To hate someone for some of the reasons spouted on here are daft (IMO), have some balls and give your real reasons ffs (not you screen ;) )
I think Froch totally underestimated Groves first time around.No doubt the stoppage was premature but I do think Froch would have finished Groves before the bell.I fancy Froch to stop him again but it would be no great shock either if Groves was to get the win.
Neither fighter covered themselves in glory in the build up to the first fight,but Froch has carried himself well this time while Groves continues to be as annoying as before.Hope Froch sparks him.
Will be interesting to see if Degale providing he does the business himself gets a shot at the winner.
can i get the fight on sky box office if i dont have sky sports package?
Quote from: bridgegael on May 27, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
can i get the fight on sky box office if i dont have sky sports package?
trust me, sky do not refuse money ;)
Quote from: bridgegael on May 27, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
can i get the fight on sky box office if i dont have sky sports package?
Yep. Totally separate
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 27, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
I think Froch totally underestimated Groves first time around.No doubt the stoppage was premature but I do think Froch would have finished Groves before the bell.I fancy Froch to stop him again but it would be no great shock either if Groves was to get the win.
Neither fighter covered themselves in glory in the build up to the first fight,but Froch has carried himself well this time while Groves continues to be as annoying as before.Hope Froch sparks him.
Will be interesting to see if Degale providing he does the business himself gets a shot at the winner.
Yup. Stoppage was early but I think it would have come 20-30 seconds later anyway. Froch had landed three or four huge shots right down the middle that Groves wasn't seeing.
If Groves wins, DeGale would be the sensible fight. If Froch wins, I don't think DeGale has done anywhere near enough to earn a shot. Froch should either take a big money fight in the States or retire.
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Quote from: bridgegael on May 27, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
can i get the fight on sky box office if i dont have sky sports package?
Yep. Totally separate
How much is it to get the fight in?
Froch was doing well in that period but if Groves had took a count he would have probably seen out the round and regrouped. He was in no more trouble then than Froch was in round 1, yet the referee was probably influenced by his own bias towards Frochs reputation as a tough fighter etc etc and gave him more of an advantage. The fight is £15, £20 if you only order it on the day.
Maybe the wrong thread but do you need an operating phone line to order it off sky??
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 28, 2014, 10:10:45 AM
Maybe the wrong thread but do you need an operating phone line to order it off sky??
Don't think it should matter.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2014, 10:02:52 AM
Froch was doing well in that period but if Groves had took a count he would have probably seen out the round and regrouped. He was in no more trouble then than Froch was in round 1, yet the referee was probably influenced by his own bias towards Frochs reputation as a tough fighter etc etc and gave him more of an advantage. The fight is £15, £20 if you only order it on the day.
I think the line about the ref having a bias towards Froch due to his reputation is just spin by Groves and total nonsense. Groves was in trouble and Froch would have ended it but Foster definitely stepped in too early. Either way, one of the two of them knows the truth, if Groves genuinely was gone then it will have to play on his mind going into this fight, if not then he will be supremely confident again. For me, Froch can't be as bad again, he was caught flush early on and took a few rounds to recover and when he did he was walking through Groves' best shots. What makes this fight so interesting is that we just don't know and perhaps time caught up with Froch in the last fight and if that's the case then it will be very tough for him.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2014, 10:02:52 AM
Froch was doing well in that period but if Groves had took a count he would have probably seen out the round and regrouped. He was in no more trouble then than Froch was in round 1, yet the referee was probably influenced by his own bias towards Frochs reputation as a tough fighter etc etc and gave him more of an advantage. The fight is £15, £20 if you only order it on the day.
I think the line about the ref having a bias towards Froch due to his reputation is just spin by Groves and total nonsense. Groves was in trouble and Froch would have ended it but Foster definitely stepped in too early. Either way, one of the two of them knows the truth, if Groves genuinely was gone then it will have to play on his mind going into this fight, if not then he will be supremely confident again. For me, Froch can't be as bad again, he was caught flush early on and took a few rounds to recover and when he did he was walking through Groves' best shots. What makes this fight so interesting is that we just don't know and perhaps time caught up with Froch in the last fight and if that's the case then it will be very tough for him.
My own opinion was that Froch was afforded more leeway as everyone in boxing is aware that he has one of the toughest chins, therefore I'm sure the referee thinks the same and honestly don't think he would have stopped Froch if the situation was reversed. Froch wasn't at his best in comparison to other fights, but again I think people underestimate the role that Groves had in this. Its the same in other sports, when a team plays bad its usually not initially put down to the opposition actually casuing this. Groves put Froch under a lot of pressure from the start and through his combination of good movement, spped and power Froch wasn't really allowed to dictate the fight. I don't think Froch was anything special against Kessler and to be honest I can see Groves winning this if he boxes smart when required.
What time is the Froch v Groves fight?
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Froch was doing well in that period but if Groves had took a count he would have probably seen out the round and regrouped. He was in no more trouble then than Froch was in round 1, yet the referee was probably influenced by his own bias towards Frochs reputation as a tough fighter etc etc and gave him more of an advantage. The fight is £15, £20 if you only order it on the day.
I think the line about the ref having a bias towards Froch due to his reputation is just spin by Groves and total nonsense. Groves was in trouble and Froch would have ended it but Foster definitely stepped in too early. Either way, one of the two of them knows the truth, if Groves genuinely was gone then it will have to play on his mind going into this fight, if not then he will be supremely confident again. For me, Froch can't be as bad again, he was caught flush early on and took a few rounds to recover and when he did he was walking through Groves' best shots. What makes this fight so interesting is that we just don't know and perhaps time caught up with Froch in the last fight and if that's the case then it will be very tough for him.
I'd agree Benny. After the huge punch / knockdown (which most other fighters would not have got up / recovered from), Froch was was fighting in survival mode. Its some show of strength and heart to recover during a fight, esp as Groves was landing big shots during these rounds. So for me, Groves was fighting at full tilt, and Froch way below his full capacity. Unless Groves lands another blockbuster, Froch will pummel him into submission within 8-10 rounds. For me, Groves isnt at the same level as the super 6 brigade.
Have always been a big fan of Froch, his fights are always blood and thunder, has never ducked a fight which is a rarity in boxing these days with all the politics and the shysters lacing their greedy mits.
Re St George comes across as a right tit. What was he like with the 'handshake' the other night?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 28, 2014, 11:11:17 AM
What time is the Froch v Groves fight?
walk in will be 10/10:30pm apparently Walter
£16.95 to book the fight, very steep.
Contemplating watching it in the pub, but I enjoy the commentary
Other option is streaming it, but again its not the same - prob freeze once the action gets going.
Just watched this for first time. Unquestionable that early stoppage and also unquestionable that Groves dominated the earlier rounds. The couple of rounds before the stoppage he was still landing good punches on Froch but never thought he looked like stopping him after the first couple rounds.
Froch has never been light on his feet but in this fight he seemed very leaden footed altogether. Whether this was result of the early heavy blows or not, not sure, but certainly he was slower of both hand and feet. If there was complacency involved, there won't be this time, in which case I would expect him to win more easily. Maybe we did finally see him grow old - in which case Groves has great chance - but I still think Froch can find a way to win again, as I reckon good chance he would have finished it without the premature stoppaged
Quote from: God14 on May 28, 2014, 01:51:29 PM
£16.95 to book the fight, very steep.
Contemplating watching it in the pub, but I enjoy the commentary
Other option is streaming it, but again its not the same - prob freeze once the action gets going.
with the exception of Jim 'the dose' Watt
Quote from: God14 on May 28, 2014, 01:51:29 PM
£16.95 to book the fight, very steep.
Contemplating watching it in the pub, but I enjoy the commentary
Other option is streaming it, but again its not the same - prob freeze once the action gets going.
Lots of streams will be available for this fight God14.
Anyone know of any bars in Cookstown, Dungannon or Magherafelt showing it......
Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Wiziwig, Vip Box all should have decent streams. My shout would be try it 30-40 mins before the fight and if its no good at all pay for it!
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
I tried to watch the last Frampton fight on the web and by the time it stopped buffering/messed about the fight was over!!
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Wiziwig, Vip Box all should have decent streams. My shout would be try it 30-40 mins before the fight and if its no good at all pay for it!
I normally would have checked during the undercard and didn't mind booking last minute but now they have the surcharge for booking on the day. Usually don't watch many of the undercard fights but nearly more interested in seeing DeGale get his head knocked off than anything else. Virgil Hunter put him in his box yesterday.
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Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Wiziwig, Vip Box all should have decent streams. My shout would be try it 30-40 mins before the fight and if its no good at all pay for it!
I normally would have checked during the undercard and didn't mind booking last minute but now they have the surcharge for booking on the day. Usually don't watch many of the undercard fights but nearly more interested in seeing DeGale get his head knocked off than anything else. Virgil Hunter put him in his box yesterday.
nrico, if yer mad keen to see the fight, I'd dip for it or split it between a couple of you. I've been heartbroken a good few times in the past with links dropping or freezing during bouts. Also had seemless streams, its the chance you take. Not great for the old stress levels though!
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Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Wiziwig, Vip Box all should have decent streams. My shout would be try it 30-40 mins before the fight and if its no good at all pay for it!
I normally would have checked during the undercard and didn't mind booking last minute but now they have the surcharge for booking on the day. Usually don't watch many of the undercard fights but nearly more interested in seeing DeGale get his head knocked off than anything else. Virgil Hunter put him in his box yesterday.
nrico, if yer mad keen to see the fight, I'd dip for it or split it between a couple of you. I've been heartbroken a good few times in the past with links dropping or freezing during bouts. Also had seemless streams, its the chance you take. Not great for the old stress levels though!
Yeah I agree. Really wanna see the flight. Even when you manage to get a decent stream, your enjoyment is almost ruined as in the back of your mind your waiting for it to freeze. It could be explosive at any second.
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Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Wiziwig, Vip Box all should have decent streams. My shout would be try it 30-40 mins before the fight and if its no good at all pay for it!
I normally would have checked during the undercard and didn't mind booking last minute but now they have the surcharge for booking on the day. Usually don't watch many of the undercard fights but nearly more interested in seeing DeGale get his head knocked off than anything else. Virgil Hunter put him in his box yesterday.
nrico, if yer mad keen to see the fight, I'd dip for it or split it between a couple of you. I've been heartbroken a good few times in the past with links dropping or freezing during bouts. Also had seemless streams, its the chance you take. Not great for the old stress levels though!
Yeah I agree. Really wanna see the flight. Even when you manage to get a decent stream, your enjoyment is almost ruined as in the back of your mind your waiting for it to freeze. It could be explosive at any second.
Aye, same here. Plus, not the same on a wee screen. Ill probably order it tonight then.
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Quote from: J OGorman on May 29, 2014, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 29, 2014, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 28, 2014, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 28, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
Thinking of getting it myself, better on big screen etc but how likely is it that a really good non buffering stream will be available?
Wiziwig, Vip Box all should have decent streams. My shout would be try it 30-40 mins before the fight and if its no good at all pay for it!
I normally would have checked during the undercard and didn't mind booking last minute but now they have the surcharge for booking on the day. Usually don't watch many of the undercard fights but nearly more interested in seeing DeGale get his head knocked off than anything else. Virgil Hunter put him in his box yesterday.
nrico, if yer mad keen to see the fight, I'd dip for it or split it between a couple of you. I've been heartbroken a good few times in the past with links dropping or freezing during bouts. Also had seemless streams, its the chance you take. Not great for the old stress levels though!
Yeah I agree. Really wanna see the flight. Even when you manage to get a decent stream, your enjoyment is almost ruined as in the back of your mind your waiting for it to freeze. It could be explosive at any second.
Aye, same here. Plus, not the same on a wee screen. Ill probably order it tonight then.
its not that long ago we'd have been sitting around the radio listening to McGuigans earlier fights !
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 28, 2014, 03:47:36 PM
Anyone know of any bars in Cookstown, Dungannon or Magherafelt showing it......
Mary's in Magherafelt showed the last fight. But it was on some foreign channel and not proper Sky Box Office
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Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 28, 2014, 03:47:36 PM
Anyone know of any bars in Cookstown, Dungannon or Magherafelt showing it......
Mary's in Magherafelt showed the last fight. But it was on some foreign channel and not proper Sky Box Office
Cheers AM......Some mix of characters in Marys......from all walks of life.....
Booking it in instead.
Quote from: J OGorman on May 28, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 28, 2014, 11:11:17 AM
What time is the Froch v Groves fight?
walk in will be 10/10:30pm apparently Walter
Ring walk at 9.45. Press conference was relatively civilised there. Looking forward to this, £17 is a bit steep but I just don't trust the online streaming.
Despite the controversial, premature end to the first bout it was one of the most enjoyable fights I have been to and I said at the time that if a rematch was made that I would be there no matter what. Groves entered the arena getting booed by the English fight crowd and left the arena getting cheered. This time round I think Froch will once again emerge as the victor but in a lot more clear cut fashion than the first fight.
I don't think anyone could have predicted what was going to unfold that night in Manchester. The first thing that struck me in the fight was that Froch looked sluggish and it wasn't a case of Grove's speed making him look sluggish. Groves does not have faster hand speed than Andre Ward, I put Froch looking sluggish down to his preparation. I genuinely think that he went into the fight being complacent. I listened to Mike Costello talk that ahead of the first encounter Froch was classing Groves as his "Audley Harrison" i.e. someone who would talk a good fight but when it came to the crunch not live up to his words. If that is true and Froch genuinely believed that he was doing a complete disservice to Groves who deserved a lot more respect than that. Credit where credit is due Groves entered fought that night in Manchester with no fear and was brilliant. By the end of the sixth round I think he had thrown the kitchen sink at Froch and had nothing left to give, after which point Froch started to finally recover and the tide started to turn. That's not taking away from the joke of a stoppage. As a neutral I felt cheated being deprived of what should have been a couple more rounds of great action.
This time round I am not entirely convinced that even Groves himself believes he will win the fight. I find it a bit strange that he would sign a promotional deal with Sauerland (Kessler's promoters) just before the fight. Surely if he believed he was going to win he would be better off waiting until after the fight and would receive a pound or two more being the number 1 Super Middleweight on the domestic scene ?
A lot was made of the so-called "mind games" battle in the run up to the first fight with even Froch admitting now that Groves got "under his skin". This time round, from the build-up I've watched, Froch looks a lot more composed and seems to be coming out on top. In Sky's "Gloves are off" programme featuring the two fighters Froch had Groves lost for words on a number of occasions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxhpXB7bhU) Froch seems focused and confident, there is no risk of him entering the ring complacent this Saturday.
Froch has also got his "weigh" over a dispute about the weigh in time. Groves is the naturally heavier fighter and the earlier the weigh in time is the more time he has to put on weight. In Manchester from what I can remember the weigh in time was 12, this time round it is 4pm mainly to suit Sky coverage. The less time Groves has to put on weight the better it is for Froch. If I was predicting the flow of the fight I think the first opening rounds will be a cagey enough affair similar to the Kessler fight but from there on I would expect a sharp (in comparison to the 1st fight) Froch to start coming out on top and forcing a stoppage in rounds 6 / 7. No doubt now I've said that Groves will win by KO in the 1st round.
Shrewd move by Eddie Hearn signing James De Gale to matchroom. No doubt De Gale will watch the main event feeling he should be involved. If Groves loses I could see the pair of them fighting first, rather than De Gale fighting the winner. You have to give credit to Hearn while boxing will not be the mainstream sport it once was until terrestrial television is back covering it. For a fight to have a sell-out crowd of 80,000 suggests that things are going in the right direction.
Agree with what has been said on here, I wouldn't want to be relying on a stream to watch the fight. Sky has a lot more resources to clamp down on streams than Box Nation or Primetime. Much better getting a group of fellas together chipping in a few pound each, if the second fight is a patch on the first one it will be money well spent.
Couple of good weekends of boxing coming up with Cotto vs Martinez next weekend in Madison Square Garden.
No better feeling when a Thursday is your Friday and you're clocking off ahead of a fight weekend ! G'Luck
fair play atticus always enjoy yer boxing posts
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 29, 2014, 03:24:52 PM
fair play atticus always enjoy yer boxing posts
Me too. Excellent stuff AF.
Hopefully the young buck can do the business on Saturday night.
Boxing in the UK and Ireland seems to be setting the stage for the rest of the world with the right business model. Rivalries and bad blood sell fights. I imagine the majority of young people are not excited about this fight but I know anyone who grew up in the era of Eubank, Benn and Collins and the like are buying the PPV's and attending this fight live. De Gale, Eubank Jnr, Groves, Froch (just at this weight division or thereabouts) makes for some exciting matchups and great build ups in the next few years.
I think the way, as you say A.F, to resurrect boxing is to get it back on terrestrial TV and really highlight these fighters.
I'm taking Froch all day on this one. Groves looked mentally defeated at the press conference.
Good insight into the life of George Groves.
A couple of months ago, on a sunny morning in Twickenham, George Groves looked ahead to his rematch tonight against Carl Froch with the same quiet amusement and interest he used when describing his plans for that afternoon. Sitting in the garden of a famous old rugby pub, the Cabbage Patch, he smiled when discussing Froch's attempts to control himself amid Groves' needling provocations. He then outlined the role he would play at an Easter play to be performed a few hours later at a primary school.
His wife Sophie, "Mrs Groves" to her class, had been working for weeks as she helped her small students prepare for their end-of-term production. The innocence seemed striking when set against a bitter fight between Froch and Groves. This is the kind of ominous contest which can make even a seasoned boxer pause in his loneliest moments. It is a fight with the capacity to force Froch and Groves, two hard but intelligent men, to feel apprehensive when they consider everything they could lose.
Groves is different in public. His ability to remain amiable and smart marks him out as a distinctive presence in boxing's anarchic world. There also appears to be a contentment at home that contrasts with the unsettled mood of many fighters outside the ring. He celebrated his birthday in late March and our plan to stage the first in a series of interviews the day after he turned 26 was scuppered by Sophie Groves' thoughtfulness. "So sorry but tomorrow is my birthday and the mrs has made plans for us," Groves messaged me on 25 March. "That means I've got a lot to catch up with on Thursday. I could do Friday at 12pm if that's ok? Apologies for the late reschedule."
The polite tone was typical Groves – and so it seemed unsurprising that our Twickenham interview should be followed by a primary school play. "I like to support Sophie," Groves said. "She's worked hard on this. It's just a little weird because I'll be the only one there that's not a parent – but I sit at the back."
Does he get recognised? "The kids know who I am and their parents do a double-take. It can be funny because Sophie hears them say: 'I saw George Groves on TV last night.' They won't say I saw Mrs Groves' husband."
Groves reconciles these opposing worlds – the sweetness of being the husband to a young teacher whom he met when they went to nursery school together – opposed to the prickly machinations of the fight game as he strives to get under the skin of a world champion who wants to hurt him badly. "It's easy because Sophie's been with me a long time and she allows me to live a normal life."
It is always more difficult for a fighter's partner in the agonising buildup to a contest this intense. But Groves was emphatic that his wife would control the worry that must spread inside her. "She's supremely confident in me. I remember before I fought James DeGale [his first big fight, in May 2011] Sophie said DeGale was terrible and I had to explain that, actually, 'He's not bad.' She kept saying: 'No, no, he's terrible.'
"The first time I fought Carl was different. It was more a case of me telling her that Carl was terrible. She took Froch much more seriously but she was like, 'OK, I've heard you going on about this fight for years so ... I'm fine.' When I know what's going to happen she's at ease. The bigger the fight, the more comfortable I am. So is everybody else – apart from dad and mum."
When I first interviewed Groves, early in 2011, he suggested that, in regard to his parents, "I've aged them. Dad goes into his shell and he's very quiet before a fight."
Three years on, how is his dad coping with the stress of the rematch? Groves laughed softly. "You realise it's a big fight because I go around to my mum and dad's place and all they want to talk about is what was said in this or that paper. I say: 'Gee, Dad, you don't need to read me that extract from the Fulham Chronicle.' In his old age he's getting animated. Maybe it's the pressure or the fact he's semi-retired and has too much time to obsess about boxing. He's a painter and decorator but work dried up and he's 60 now so I don't want him climbing up and down building sites any more. I tell him: 'Don't worry, Dad, we've got it under control.'
"Mum takes it more to heart. I tell her not to worry about me being the bad guy. Before the first fight she said: 'I'm worried you're going to get booed.' I said: 'Mum, don't worry – I am going to get booed. But they'll cheer me at the end.' I just didn't expect them to cheer me that much. But she's the one going back and forth to Sainsbury's and people stop her and probably want to say: 'Your son's a right arrogant p***k, isn't he?' But everyone is being lovely about me now."
Groves sipped his water and grinned, as unruffled as he had been for much of a coolly storming display in the first fight. He dropped the champion in the opening round and dominated Froch so convincingly it was a shock when, even though Groves was hurt, the referee stopped the bout prematurely in the ninth. Much had since been made of Froch's ability, with a psychologist's help, to control his emotions in a way he once found impossible. But Froch still snapped during a Wembley photo-shoot.
"All it took was for me to say: 'Hold it together, Carl,'" Groves remembered as, unsettled by a challenger who is 10 years younger, Froch shoved him angrily. "I didn't say anything about Carl or insult his family. I just asked him to hold it together."
Groves pointed out that few people know he has a brother and a sister. In contrast, Froch's brothers, Lee and Wayne, are the champion's loud companions. Their building business is bolstered by the boxer's financial clout and after that Wembley shove, Lee Froch confronted Groves. As he headed off to the less-spiteful school play Groves told me he had since received various texts from Lee Froch – and he made clear his dislike for a family without the same low-key attitude as his own.
The weeks pass and it's not always easy to meet Groves for the next interview. His training intensifies and the sheer size of the occasion takes hold the closer we get to a fight that will be watched by 80,000 at Wembley and millions more on pay-per-view. When we talk again his attention locks on to Froch. "Only Carl knows whether he's calm or not," Groves says. "But if he needs to put energy into creating the perception of calm, that's still wasted energy. I know there've been times when he's felt good and he has done a much better job than before. We had a meeting on Ringside [Sky's boxing programme] and [the documentary series] Behind the Ropes and he felt very good. But why did he feel good? He might need to double-check I'm not allowing him to feel good.
"The following day we went to a Facebook interview and by the end there were visible sweat rings under his arms. His mouth was dry. So even if he seems to be holding it together, it's taking so much energy. At Facebook he showed up thinking he had cracked it but very soon he realised he hadn't. There are many layers to what I bring to the fight both in and outside the ring."
Groves has enjoyed trying to unsettle Froch through a variety of stunts. He began with a cheesy touch, producing a Rubik's Cube at the opening press conference and then repeating allusions to the number 6 and his "Everything for a reason" mantra. "The Rubik's Cube was a bit of a laugh," he says. "With these scenarios I like to see what pans out because Carl's definitely a thinker. He will sit and stew about it and try to understand what it means. And he never will. When it comes to the number 6 Carl doesn't even get it when I explain it coldly and clearly. That's because he's no longer humble. He's a self-elected international superstar. It's dangerous to put yourself on that pedestal."
The number 6 is also a reference to the end of the sixth round of their first fight when Froch sat on his stool and said "f**k me". Froch has claimed it was simply surprised exasperation that he had allowed himself to be tagged so often in that round. Groves shakes his head. "It seems strange he was surprised after six rounds. You're halfway through a fight by then. He said 'f**k me' because he was out of his depth. He has too much respect for [Froch's trainer] Rob McCracken to say: 'f**k me, Rob, why didn't you tell me he was this good? Why aren't I prepared for this?'"
Froch might have looked ponderous but he proved the depth of his fighting heart to force a stoppage that still rankles with Groves. "When that first bell goes I'm going to take it as the start of round 10 – because that first fight isn't over."
In our final interview I ask Groves to describe his mood just days before the fight. "I'm even more excited this time. All the weight problems are gone and you're in fight zone. You're fit and ready to hurt people. Sparring has been really good and I'm almost holding back. I don't need to sharpen the knife any more – otherwise it might break."
Froch is iron-willed and Groves concedes that, "There's no quit in him. That's for sure. So it's not going to be easy. But Carl's still very insecure. You can't say that about me. I'm supremely confident and it borders on arrogance. On fight night I feel alive and full of tingles. You feel your blood flow hot but that's how we like it. We're mammals, we're warm-blooded creatures."
We seem a long way from a sunny day in April but I still ask Groves about the school play. "Yeah, it was OK," he remembers. "Apparently I told Sophie there wasn't enough singing. But it was good to be there for her. Sophie and the whole family are here for me. I go past my mum's on the way to the gym – and I pop in for the loo or a cup of tea. It's very normal."
As the fight moves like a juggernaut towards him and Froch, normality is obliterated. It will be a wild night as Groves' intelligence and composure are tested by Froch's resolve and malice. There will be no time to think of school plays, Rubik Cubes and cups of tea. Will the coolness of Groves, a much more subtle operator than Froch's self-styled "warrior", withstand the brutality?
"People look at me and think: 'He's completely punching above his weight.' They say I'm gonna get knocked out or I can't hit hard. But fighters get in the ring with me and they're never the same afterwards. Look at DeGale – he's won fights since I beat him but he's never been the same. It's the same with Froch. Everyone will see the repercussions of the last fight in this next fight."
Does Groves allow himself to visualise the moment of victory? "It's a really good question. Sometimes I imagine it and I catch myself. Two years ago I was scheduled to fight for a world title and I was thinking of my pay-rise and walking around with the belt. I then busted my nose. The fight was off. So you need to appreciate what you've got – and wait for what you've not quite got. Once I've got that world title I'll never want to lose it. I'll fight tooth and nail to keep it. But, first, I will win it."
Week after week the same conviction has flowed through Groves. Saturday night will be a new experience, far beyond the routines of daily life, but he seems primed for an extraordinary occasion. "Ultimately, it's down to the individual. Some people are born to perform. Some people need to work hard to control themselves. I like to keep my normal life under wraps but in front of 80,000 people, I'm going to perform. I'm going to beat Carl Froch."
I hope Groves knocks him out. I find it very hard to like anything about Froch.
A wee bit of info from the weigh in for any of you lads that enjoy a punt.
Kevin Mitchell has had an absolute nightmare in terms of preparation ahead of his undercard fight with Ghislain Maduma.
He was opened up in sparring, the cut was still very visible yesterday. It would not take much to open it up. In addition to that Maduma looked in top condition, looked a lot bigger than Mitchell who did not even make weight.
The fight is still going ahead but I don't think it will no longer be considered an eliminator, the winner was going to get a title shot against Vasquez.
In short Mitchell's preparation has looked far from ideal. I would be very surprised if this fight goes the distance. I think Maduma to win by stoppage is not an unlikely outcome.
i follow mitchell on twitter, he was giving the impression all went well in traing and he was in great shape. he has had his issues before so i thought this fight would be a turning point for him. if he didnt make weight, that tellsit own story.
I thought he made weight but then was over the check weight this morning? Not sure what this will mean in terms of his actual performance tonight I'm sure atticus would know more about it than me?
5/4 for a Froch stoppage, id this the general idea, doubt it will go the distance as they will go hammer and tongs
Groves is a great price around the late rounds, 8/9 rounds is great value for a couple of quid
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2014, 02:44:36 PM
5/4 for a Froch stoppage, id this the general idea, doubt it will go the distance as they will go hammer and tongs
Groves is a great price around the late rounds, 8/9 rounds is great value for a couple of quid
4 time world champion Carl Froch 'is out of his depth' according to Commonwealth champion St George. Put the house on Groves ;-)
I don't know much about preparing for a boxing match but it seems like an almighty f*ck up if a boxer isn't able to make the weight. Especially for such a big occasion such as this.
Paid for the ppv, been looking forward to this for a while, I hope Froch bates the dung out of him. (not quite as good as Atticus' analysis)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 30, 2014, 12:50:03 PM
Good insight into the life of George Groves.
A couple of months ago, on a sunny morning in Twickenham, George Groves looked ahead to his rematch tonight against Carl Froch with the same quiet amusement and interest he used when describing his plans for that afternoon. Sitting in the garden of a famous old rugby pub, the Cabbage Patch, he smiled when discussing Froch's attempts to control himself amid Groves' needling provocations. He then outlined the role he would play at an Easter play to be performed a few hours later at a primary school.
His wife Sophie, "Mrs Groves" to her class, had been working for weeks as she helped her small students prepare for their end-of-term production. The innocence seemed striking when set against a bitter fight between Froch and Groves. This is the kind of ominous contest which can make even a seasoned boxer pause in his loneliest moments. It is a fight with the capacity to force Froch and Groves, two hard but intelligent men, to feel apprehensive when they consider everything they could lose.
Groves is different in public. His ability to remain amiable and smart marks him out as a distinctive presence in boxing's anarchic world. There also appears to be a contentment at home that contrasts with the unsettled mood of many fighters outside the ring. He celebrated his birthday in late March and our plan to stage the first in a series of interviews the day after he turned 26 was scuppered by Sophie Groves' thoughtfulness. "So sorry but tomorrow is my birthday and the mrs has made plans for us," Groves messaged me on 25 March. "That means I've got a lot to catch up with on Thursday. I could do Friday at 12pm if that's ok? Apologies for the late reschedule."
The polite tone was typical Groves – and so it seemed unsurprising that our Twickenham interview should be followed by a primary school play. "I like to support Sophie," Groves said. "She's worked hard on this. It's just a little weird because I'll be the only one there that's not a parent – but I sit at the back."
Does he get recognised? "The kids know who I am and their parents do a double-take. It can be funny because Sophie hears them say: 'I saw George Groves on TV last night.' They won't say I saw Mrs Groves' husband."
Groves reconciles these opposing worlds – the sweetness of being the husband to a young teacher whom he met when they went to nursery school together – opposed to the prickly machinations of the fight game as he strives to get under the skin of a world champion who wants to hurt him badly. "It's easy because Sophie's been with me a long time and she allows me to live a normal life."
It is always more difficult for a fighter's partner in the agonising buildup to a contest this intense. But Groves was emphatic that his wife would control the worry that must spread inside her. "She's supremely confident in me. I remember before I fought James DeGale [his first big fight, in May 2011] Sophie said DeGale was terrible and I had to explain that, actually, 'He's not bad.' She kept saying: 'No, no, he's terrible.'
"The first time I fought Carl was different. It was more a case of me telling her that Carl was terrible. She took Froch much more seriously but she was like, 'OK, I've heard you going on about this fight for years so ... I'm fine.' When I know what's going to happen she's at ease. The bigger the fight, the more comfortable I am. So is everybody else – apart from dad and mum."
When I first interviewed Groves, early in 2011, he suggested that, in regard to his parents, "I've aged them. Dad goes into his shell and he's very quiet before a fight."
Three years on, how is his dad coping with the stress of the rematch? Groves laughed softly. "You realise it's a big fight because I go around to my mum and dad's place and all they want to talk about is what was said in this or that paper. I say: 'Gee, Dad, you don't need to read me that extract from the Fulham Chronicle.' In his old age he's getting animated. Maybe it's the pressure or the fact he's semi-retired and has too much time to obsess about boxing. He's a painter and decorator but work dried up and he's 60 now so I don't want him climbing up and down building sites any more. I tell him: 'Don't worry, Dad, we've got it under control.'
"Mum takes it more to heart. I tell her not to worry about me being the bad guy. Before the first fight she said: 'I'm worried you're going to get booed.' I said: 'Mum, don't worry – I am going to get booed. But they'll cheer me at the end.' I just didn't expect them to cheer me that much. But she's the one going back and forth to Sainsbury's and people stop her and probably want to say: 'Your son's a right arrogant p***k, isn't he?' But everyone is being lovely about me now."
Groves sipped his water and grinned, as unruffled as he had been for much of a coolly storming display in the first fight. He dropped the champion in the opening round and dominated Froch so convincingly it was a shock when, even though Groves was hurt, the referee stopped the bout prematurely in the ninth. Much had since been made of Froch's ability, with a psychologist's help, to control his emotions in a way he once found impossible. But Froch still snapped during a Wembley photo-shoot.
"All it took was for me to say: 'Hold it together, Carl,'" Groves remembered as, unsettled by a challenger who is 10 years younger, Froch shoved him angrily. "I didn't say anything about Carl or insult his family. I just asked him to hold it together."
Groves pointed out that few people know he has a brother and a sister. In contrast, Froch's brothers, Lee and Wayne, are the champion's loud companions. Their building business is bolstered by the boxer's financial clout and after that Wembley shove, Lee Froch confronted Groves. As he headed off to the less-spiteful school play Groves told me he had since received various texts from Lee Froch – and he made clear his dislike for a family without the same low-key attitude as his own.
The weeks pass and it's not always easy to meet Groves for the next interview. His training intensifies and the sheer size of the occasion takes hold the closer we get to a fight that will be watched by 80,000 at Wembley and millions more on pay-per-view. When we talk again his attention locks on to Froch. "Only Carl knows whether he's calm or not," Groves says. "But if he needs to put energy into creating the perception of calm, that's still wasted energy. I know there've been times when he's felt good and he has done a much better job than before. We had a meeting on Ringside [Sky's boxing programme] and [the documentary series] Behind the Ropes and he felt very good. But why did he feel good? He might need to double-check I'm not allowing him to feel good.
"The following day we went to a Facebook interview and by the end there were visible sweat rings under his arms. His mouth was dry. So even if he seems to be holding it together, it's taking so much energy. At Facebook he showed up thinking he had cracked it but very soon he realised he hadn't. There are many layers to what I bring to the fight both in and outside the ring."
Groves has enjoyed trying to unsettle Froch through a variety of stunts. He began with a cheesy touch, producing a Rubik's Cube at the opening press conference and then repeating allusions to the number 6 and his "Everything for a reason" mantra. "The Rubik's Cube was a bit of a laugh," he says. "With these scenarios I like to see what pans out because Carl's definitely a thinker. He will sit and stew about it and try to understand what it means. And he never will. When it comes to the number 6 Carl doesn't even get it when I explain it coldly and clearly. That's because he's no longer humble. He's a self-elected international superstar. It's dangerous to put yourself on that pedestal."
The number 6 is also a reference to the end of the sixth round of their first fight when Froch sat on his stool and said "f**k me". Froch has claimed it was simply surprised exasperation that he had allowed himself to be tagged so often in that round. Groves shakes his head. "It seems strange he was surprised after six rounds. You're halfway through a fight by then. He said 'f**k me' because he was out of his depth. He has too much respect for [Froch's trainer] Rob McCracken to say: 'f**k me, Rob, why didn't you tell me he was this good? Why aren't I prepared for this?'"
Froch might have looked ponderous but he proved the depth of his fighting heart to force a stoppage that still rankles with Groves. "When that first bell goes I'm going to take it as the start of round 10 – because that first fight isn't over."
In our final interview I ask Groves to describe his mood just days before the fight. "I'm even more excited this time. All the weight problems are gone and you're in fight zone. You're fit and ready to hurt people. Sparring has been really good and I'm almost holding back. I don't need to sharpen the knife any more – otherwise it might break."
Froch is iron-willed and Groves concedes that, "There's no quit in him. That's for sure. So it's not going to be easy. But Carl's still very insecure. You can't say that about me. I'm supremely confident and it borders on arrogance. On fight night I feel alive and full of tingles. You feel your blood flow hot but that's how we like it. We're mammals, we're warm-blooded creatures."
We seem a long way from a sunny day in April but I still ask Groves about the school play. "Yeah, it was OK," he remembers. "Apparently I told Sophie there wasn't enough singing. But it was good to be there for her. Sophie and the whole family are here for me. I go past my mum's on the way to the gym – and I pop in for the loo or a cup of tea. It's very normal."
As the fight moves like a juggernaut towards him and Froch, normality is obliterated. It will be a wild night as Groves' intelligence and composure are tested by Froch's resolve and malice. There will be no time to think of school plays, Rubik Cubes and cups of tea. Will the coolness of Groves, a much more subtle operator than Froch's self-styled "warrior", withstand the brutality?
"People look at me and think: 'He's completely punching above his weight.' They say I'm gonna get knocked out or I can't hit hard. But fighters get in the ring with me and they're never the same afterwards. Look at DeGale – he's won fights since I beat him but he's never been the same. It's the same with Froch. Everyone will see the repercussions of the last fight in this next fight."
Does Groves allow himself to visualise the moment of victory? "It's a really good question. Sometimes I imagine it and I catch myself. Two years ago I was scheduled to fight for a world title and I was thinking of my pay-rise and walking around with the belt. I then busted my nose. The fight was off. So you need to appreciate what you've got – and wait for what you've not quite got. Once I've got that world title I'll never want to lose it. I'll fight tooth and nail to keep it. But, first, I will win it."
Week after week the same conviction has flowed through Groves. Saturday night will be a new experience, far beyond the routines of daily life, but he seems primed for an extraordinary occasion. "Ultimately, it's down to the individual. Some people are born to perform. Some people need to work hard to control themselves. I like to keep my normal life under wraps but in front of 80,000 people, I'm going to perform. I'm going to beat Carl Froch."
Enjoyable read that Walter, who was the journalist?
Link for anyone interested - http://www.coolsport.tv/stream1-live-sports-streaming.html
Decent quality so far but not really holding out much hope by the time the fight comes about.
Jesus Mitchell got out of jail there. Knocked Maduhma out in the last round, 2 pts behind on all cards, never looked like he was going to win.
Sorry lads, for what it's worth I put my money where my mouth was. I don't know how it looked on TV but Maduma seemed comfortably ahead and the fight was stopped with 4 seconds of the round left as far as I know.
De Gale wins by knockout in R4, mighty knockdown but another controversial enough stoppage. Refs tonight have got itchy trigger fingers!
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 31, 2014, 09:03:07 PM
Sorry lads, for what it's worth I put my money where my mouth was. I don't know how it looked on TV but Maduma seemed comfortably ahead and the fight was stopped with 4 seconds of the round left as far as I know.
In fairness Mitchell was behind on the judges scorecards so you werent too far away!
Agreed on the Degale stoppage a little too early IMO plus he is a grade A knob!!
What timw is the main event?
On their way to ring now, 10mins
http://gofirstrow.eu/watch/263251/1/watch-hbo-boxing:-carl-froch-vs-george-groves-2.html
f**k. One punch. Down. All Over.
Boom :o
f**k me, sweet as a nut. Groves didn't know where he was for a good 2 mins. Froch was bossing it up until the previous round when Groves started to look good.
That was sore!! Who'd be a boxer lol
Quote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2014, 10:43:37 PM
f**k me, sweet as a nut. Groves didn't know where he was for a good 2 mins. Froch was bossing it up until the previous round when Groves started to look good.
Yep - what fight was Khan watching when he said Groves was on top? One too many hits to the head for that lad I think
Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
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f**k me, sweet as a nut. Groves didn't know where he was for a good 2 mins. Froch was bossing it up until the previous round when Groves started to look good.
Yep - what fight was Khan watching when he said Groves was on top? One too many hits to the head for that lad I think
Now you can understand why Khan actually thinks he can beat Mayweather - hasn't a notion!
Think a lot of ppl being overly critical of Groves. Yes he perhaps got into a bit of a dog fight between 3 and 6 but I thought he was coming on strong 7&8. No shame in getting beat by Froch. I think the lad has a big career ahead of him.
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Emphatic finish from the Cobra,just as Groves was beginning to warm to the task.Groves had a good 7th but I had Froch ahead by 3.Thought it strange when Khan said Groves was controlling the fight.I think Froch will vacate the IBF belt now and head to Vegas for one last payday.Groves will come back stronger from this and I would love to see him fight DeGale again,no love lost their either.
some finish by Froch, some fighter. Was worrying for Groves that the cobra was in the lead in the early rounds as he finishes strongly as he wears the opponent down.
Re Khan, what fight was he watching??...didnt the commentator not ask was he sure he didnt mean Froch? what a loon
Was warming up into a great fight. Disappointed in one way that we didn't see it go closer to the distance but it was knockout of the year stuff from Froch.
Froch will probably his big payday (and loss, let's be honest) in his next fight and walk off into the sunset. If he wants to end it on a high now is the moment, though.
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Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
This attitude really does my head in - why is it that anyone who doesn't like McIlroy is labelled as either a sectarian bigot or as being jealous of his success?
Probably happens when they qualify their dislike by talk of playing for Britain, Castle Catholicism etc.
If I say,
I just can't warm to him as a person, I probably won't get labelled sectarian or jealous.
However I can only but admire his achievements.
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Hopefully John Joe recovers quickly. Really classy boxer who has plenty of potential to become a world class boxer at the professional level. Would be better off if he moved permanently away from Ireland so he can rid himself of people like those who did this to him.
Always came across as a decent lad in interviews, you'd think fellow Travellers would have some sense with regards someone who has represented his community and his country so well, but it seems like these petty, childish feuds are the only thing that elicits passion from a significant minority of the population.
This is very much an Irish thing though. Some of us hate to see a fella lose the run of himself by being successful and the like.
Why is that? We really do love to slag off anyone successful. Rory McIlroy is one of the biggest names in world sport but 90% of sports fans in ireland think he's a ****! Americans seem to be the opposite and love their sports stars.
This attitude really does my head in - why is it that anyone who doesn't like McIlroy is labelled as either a sectarian bigot or as being jealous of his success?
Probably happens when they qualify their dislike by talk of playing for Britain, Castle Catholocism etc.
If I say, I just can't warm to him as a person, I probably won't get labelled sectarian or jealous.
However I can only but admire his achievements.
Exactly
Fair enough. Just so we're clear then - I just can't warm to him as a person.
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Fair enough. Just so we're clear then - I just can't warm to him as a person.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done
The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.
Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.
GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done
The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.
Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.
GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.
Syferus, to best of my knowledge GGG has never faced someone with Froch's power nor even been in trouble in a fight. He is technically better and def has a chance of beating Froch but victory is by no means certain. That match-up would kind of remind me of McClellan vs Benn. The G Man was a KO artist and heavily favoured and started like a whirlwind before the horrific outcome. I could see Froch in trouble early on but finding a way to do it.
Martinez had a beautiful KO against Williams and is great boxer but does he punch harder than Groves? Or Abraham? Or Bute? Or Kessler? Not sure to be honest but think Froch may just be too big and strong for him.
Agree that Ward wipes the floor with him again if it happens.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done
The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.
Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.
GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.
a great boxer, no, but a great fighter, most definitely. Froch has been in with the best, so why would you fear for his safety? He'd welcome a rematch against Ward I reckon, and would give Golovkin and Martinez their fill of it imo.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done
The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.
Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.
GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.
Syferus, to best of my knowledge GGG has never faced someone with Froch's power nor even been in trouble in a fight. He is technically better and def has a chance of beating Froch but victory is by no means certain. That match-up would kind of remind me of McClellan vs Benn. The G Man was a KO artist and heavily favoured and started like a whirlwind before the horrific outcome. I could see Froch in trouble early on but finding a way to do it.
Martinez had a beautiful KO against Williams and is great boxer but does he punch harder than Groves? Or Abraham? Or Bute? Or Kessler? Not sure to be honest but think Froch may just be too big and strong for him.
Agree that Ward wipes the floor with him again if it happens.
To be honest Groves was a blow-up domestic fighter and he had Froch beat in one fight and fading in the second one. Someone like Macklin is a better fighter than Groves and even he could barely last two rounds with GGG. Macklin has a hardy chin too and it made no difference - GGG's power is scary.
Macklin gave Martinez a run but Macklin's defense is far tighter than Froch's and were Froch to fight someone as technically talented as Martinez I can see him picking apart those gaping holes in Froch's offense. That's a 39 year-old Martinez too. That tells you where Froch sits on the world stage.
its hard to believe that Ward has only had 1 title fight since he fought Froch in December 2011
I think Froch beats anyone but ward.
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its hard to believe that Ward has only had 1 title fight since he fought Froch in December 2011
He had an a serious shoulder injury that took him out of commission for a good while before the proposed Kelly Pavlik fight.
To your previous post - I would agree that Froch is a great 'fighter' but not a great boxer. He has all those intangibles lots of better boxers don't have - heart, never knowing when he's beat, reckless bravery. But that only takes you so far. Ward, GGG and Martinez look to be all-time greats in their weight class. They're the sort of boxers that will comfortably sit alongside Haggler, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr in years to come.
There's no shame in not being able to beat that level of fighter as so few can. Froch has earned the right to have another pop if he wants to (he does) but I don't see how it will do anything but tarnish what has been a great career. I don't think he has a snowball's chance against GGG, which looks like the super-fight he's aiming for with Hearn ruling out Ward.
Froch has as good a chance as anybody at beating Ward, and very few fighters go through careers unbeaten. As mentioned, he has the power to trouble Ward and has the chin to take pretty much anything Ward can throw at him.
As for Golovkin, he has a great record both at amateur and professional level, but he has not fought any of the top fighters yet to see how good he really is.
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Froch has as good a chance as anybody at beating Ward, and very few fighters go through careers unbeaten. As mentioned, he has the power to trouble Ward and has the chin to take pretty much anything Ward can throw at him.
As for Golovkin, he has a great record both at amateur and professional level, but he has not fought any of the top fighters yet to see how good he really is.
Ward has already made Froch look like a jobber, what exactly has changed since they fought? Froch struggling domestic fighter? He probably knows himself it's pointless fighting Ward. He might have to be shown the same is true with GGG.
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its hard to believe that Ward has only had 1 title fight since he fought Froch in December 2011
He had an a serious shoulder injury that took him out of commission for a good while before the proposed Kelly Pavlik fight.
To your previous post - I would agree that Froch is a great 'fighter' but not a great boxer. He has all those intangibles lots of better boxers don't have - heart, never knowing when he's beat, reckless bravery. But that only takes you so far. Ward, GGG and Martinez look to be all-time greats in their weight class. They're the sort of boxers that will comfortably sit alongside Haggler, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr in years to come.
There's no shame in not being able to beat that level of fighter as so few can. Froch has earned the right to have another pop if he wants to (he does) but I don't see how it will do anything but tarnish what has been a great career. I don't think he has a snowball's chance against GGG, which looks like the super-fight he's aiming for with Hearn ruling out Ward.
He's done ok with only having these skills. Froch is a fighter and it is the fight game. As we found out on Saturday night a top class fighter will generally beat a good boxer. I'd find it hard to think that Ward has improved much since the last meeting and coming off the back of a serious injury he may just not be the boxer he was. But I do agree Froch isn't exactly calling out Andre Ward and I think he probably doesnt fancy it as his last fight, he seems more concerned with his legacy at the minute and with the only unavenged defeat being to someone of Ward's calibre seems like something he is comfortable with.
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Massive respect for Froch. Don't think there is a boxer anywhere who has had a series of fights that tough for a long long time. Arguably out of his last 12 fights he would only have been heavily favoured against Glen Johnson and Yusaf Mack.
Unfortunately for him think Ward is just too good for him but would love to see Golovkin against Froch. Irresistible force vs immovable object? Still, couldn't blame him if he wanted to quit while was ahead and go out on top - no one could begrudge him that.
Totally agree with this, Froch deserves massive respect IMO. Some of the fights Froch has had in the last 5 years have been immense. He really does have a granite chin and he is as hard as nails. Its only really this last 2 years that the British and Irish public have taken notice of him. He has taken a lot of fights away from home if you like to build up his reputation. From his 12 round knockout of Jermaine Taylor where he virtually lost every round to the knockout of Groves, nearly every fight has been pure entertainment. Hes one of those guys that can take a punch to give a punch. He was able to walk through some of Groves shots the other night to get it own off.
Hopefully he gets his dream of a big Las Vegas fight. Id like to see him fight Golovkin as that's a fight that could potentially be made in Las Vegas. Andre Ward, whilst probably the best boxer in that division, unfortunately just doesn't have the fanbase or appeal to create a really box office megafight.
To be honest it's Ward-GGG that is the proper megafight. Froch fighting either of them is just keeping that one from happening for even longer.
Either one will make ribbons of Froch.
Froch has been in with the best and hasn't been stopped yet. As has been said on here and with Sat night still fresh on the mind, all it takes is one punch. Froch has this incredible toughness about him. Would definitely start as underdog fornenst either of the big 2 but neither would make ribbons of him.
He'll fight whoever is put in front of him...that's what he's always done
The fight against Ward was a car crash. There's very little pride standing there getting a pummelling for 12 rounds from a vastly superior fighter.
Froch has had a great career don't don't fool yourself into thinking he is or was a great fighter. He has the wildest combination offense I've seen at world level in a long time. He's swinging like a batter and he loses his discipline far too easily going forward. He leaves himself so utterly open that you'd fear for his safety against the best. The sheer power of GGG and the sheer openness of Froch would only end in one result.
GGG, Ward and even Martinez are in another postcode to Froch. His next fight will be nothing more than a shallow pay-day.
Syferus, to best of my knowledge GGG has never faced someone with Froch's power nor even been in trouble in a fight. He is technically better and def has a chance of beating Froch but victory is by no means certain. That match-up would kind of remind me of McClellan vs Benn. The G Man was a KO artist and heavily favoured and started like a whirlwind before the horrific outcome. I could see Froch in trouble early on but finding a way to do it.
Martinez had a beautiful KO against Williams and is great boxer but does he punch harder than Groves? Or Abraham? Or Bute? Or Kessler? Not sure to be honest but think Froch may just be too big and strong for him.
Agree that Ward wipes the floor with him again if it happens.
To be honest Groves was a blow-up domestic fighter and he had Froch beat in one fight and fading in the second one. Someone like Macklin is a better fighter than Groves and even he could barely last two rounds with GGG. Macklin has a hardy chin too and it made no difference - GGG's power is scary.
Macklin gave Martinez a run but Macklin's defense is far tighter than Froch's and were Froch to fight someone as technically talented as Martinez I can see him picking apart those gaping holes in Froch's offense. That's a 39 year-old Martinez too. That tells you where Froch sits on the world stage.
In my view:
i) I think Groves gave him the run around in fight 1 because Froch didn't take it seriously enough (as evidenced by dominating the opening 6 rounds of rematch).
ii) Agree that Groves not elite level but he is a very decent boxer all the same and as good as anything GGG has fought at this point if not better - Macklin had been in a lot of wars by time he fought GGG and was clearly on the way down
iii) Macklin's defense is tighter than Froch's but less than stellar and as you pointed out he gave Martinez a decent rattle. Macklin doesn't have Froch's power and floored Martinez, who was also in serious trouble in last round from Chavez Junior (although probably that he weighed upward of super-middle when they fought). Despite weaker defense and movement, Froch also has a better chin than Macklin. I'd be putting my money on Froch to take what Martinez can throw at him and still be standing in front of him.
Now don't get me wrong I don't think Froch is a great boxer, more as someone else mentioned a great fighter. Ward is a great boxer and as you mentioned earlier Ward-Golovkin could be great but I think as spectacle would prefer to see Froch-Golovkin.
So with Froch and Groves settled another grudge match on the cards - Martinez versus Frampton
Will Kiko get revenge or will Frampton become world champion? Either way Belfast will be mental come the 6th September.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/27693529 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/27693529)
Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton? Was it scott quigg? Was bumming himself up no end
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Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton? Was it scott quigg? Was bumming himself up no end
Well he is a World Champion and Frampton isn't.
Scott, you are right, is a world champion but did not have to beat a world champion to get the belt. The WBA belt he has was vacated as Guillermo Rigondeaux became the WBA Super Champion. He has not beaten anyone of considerable note and whilst Frampton's last fight wasnt against a true Super-Bantamweight he has destroyed Kiko and Steve Molitor who is the current and previous IBF champions.
Im not sure on what everyone else thinks but 10 times that Framption fights Quigg, Frampton wins 10 times.
Framps will have his world title with something to spare after September 6th. Then he can worry about Quigg.
Can't wait for this one. I will be home on Irish soil and will definitely make the trip to Belfast for this!
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Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton? Was it scott quigg? Was bumming himself up no end
Well he is a World Champion and Frampton isn't.
Based on what you have seen off Quigg and Carl who in your view would be the better boxer?
I was at the Kiko fight and Carl didn't have it all his own way, Kiko was pressing Carl for the majority of the fight and it was a decent scrap until Carl managed to knock him down (first person to have done that) Kiko was either level of not far off Carl on points up to the KO. whoever (like in the Froch - Groves fight) learns from the previous fight will win this next fight. I hope Carl takes the measured approach again and just wins.
I think then that would leave the door open for Quigg and Carl to fight for the other title. Very exciting times for Belfast boxing, some emerging talent coming through and the bill should be a lot better than the last one, the early fights were too one-sided.
As Kiko is the champion why have the fight in Belfast? is this because its the best venue for ticket sales? You'd prefer to have a home venue surely?
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Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton? Was it scott quigg? Was bumming himself up no end
Well he is a World Champion and Frampton isn't.
Based on what you have seen off Quigg and Carl who in your view would be the better boxer?
I was at the Kiko fight and Carl didn't have it all his own way, Kiko was pressing Carl for the majority of the fight and it was a decent scrap until Carl managed to knock him down (first person to have done that) Kiko was either level of not far off Carl on points up to the KO. whoever (like in the Froch - Groves fight) learns from the previous fight will win this next fight. I hope Carl takes the measured approach again and just wins.
I think then that would leave the door open for Quigg and Carl to fight for the other title. Very exciting times for Belfast boxing, some emerging talent coming through and the bill should be a lot better than the last one, the early fights were too one-sided.
As Kiko is the champion why have the fight in Belfast? is this because its the best venue for ticket sales? You'd prefer to have a home venue surely?
Hardly recall any big fights in Spain. Kiko has always travelled for his big fights, even when European champion.
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Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton? Was it scott quigg? Was bumming himself up no end
Well he is a World Champion and Frampton isn't.
Based on what you have seen off Quigg and Carl who in your view would be the better boxer?
I was at the Kiko fight and Carl didn't have it all his own way, Kiko was pressing Carl for the majority of the fight and it was a decent scrap until Carl managed to knock him down (first person to have done that) Kiko was either level of not far off Carl on points up to the KO. whoever (like in the Froch - Groves fight) learns from the previous fight will win this next fight. I hope Carl takes the measured approach again and just wins.
I think then that would leave the door open for Quigg and Carl to fight for the other title. Very exciting times for Belfast boxing, some emerging talent coming through and the bill should be a lot better than the last one, the early fights were too one-sided.
As Kiko is the champion why have the fight in Belfast? is this because its the best venue for ticket sales? You'd prefer to have a home venue surely?
Hardly recall any big fights in Spain. Kiko has always travelled for his big fights, even when European champion.
I understand all that but as world champion you'd like to have the home crowd behind you surely. Either or it will be another close contest, Bookies will have Carl favourite but it will be a lot closer. Think Carl is ready for this and after a couple defences he could retire and get on the punditry circuit and make his money that way.
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Who was the English fighter I heard on Talk sport last week saying he wanted to fight Frampton? Was it scott quigg? Was bumming himself up no end
Well he is a World Champion and Frampton isn't.
Based on what you have seen off Quigg and Carl who in your view would be the better boxer?
I was at the Kiko fight and Carl didn't have it all his own way, Kiko was pressing Carl for the majority of the fight and it was a decent scrap until Carl managed to knock him down (first person to have done that) Kiko was either level of not far off Carl on points up to the KO. whoever (like in the Froch - Groves fight) learns from the previous fight will win this next fight. I hope Carl takes the measured approach again and just wins.
I think then that would leave the door open for Quigg and Carl to fight for the other title. Very exciting times for Belfast boxing, some emerging talent coming through and the bill should be a lot better than the last one, the early fights were too one-sided.
As Kiko is the champion why have the fight in Belfast? is this because its the best venue for ticket sales? You'd prefer to have a home venue surely?
Hardly recall any big fights in Spain. Kiko has always travelled for his big fights, even when European champion.
I understand all that but as world champion you'd like to have the home crowd behind you surely. Either or it will be another close contest, Bookies will have Carl favourite but it will be a lot closer. Think Carl is ready for this and after a couple defences he could retire and get on the punditry circuit and make his money that way.
Martinez wants the money, as do many world champions. If they're not from Germany, England, US they tend to either move there or fight their major fights there. Frampton is the oddity that proves the rule in a way. Money will always matter more than location when it comes to boxing.
www.youtube.com/embed/PFwA4jaSNZM
Limerick's Andy Lee produced the punch of his career to knock John Jackson out after taking an early beating on the Cotto-Martinez undercard at Madison Square Garden in New York.
John Jackson dropped Lee with a massive right hook in the first round and continued to punish him in the second.
Lee kept Jackson at bay with a long, stiff jab in the third but Jackson was controlling the fight.
It looked like Jackson was about to finish lee off when the Irishman unloaded a massive hybrid hook-uppercut on the chin that knocked Jackson completely unconscious and prompted a wild rush into the ring from concerned medical staff and cornermen.
The fight was Lee's first at Junior Middleweight and the win saw him crowned the NABF light middleweight champ.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/video-irelands-andy-lee-produces-devastating-knockout-to-stun-madison-square-garden-30337753.html
Incredible punch by Andy. He still isn't ready for another crack at the big time though.
chisora v fury on sat night is off. chisora fractured hand in training today
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chisora v fury on sat night is off. chisora fractured hand in training today
Fury is having no luck with these opponents. His inactivity, which is no fault of his own, could really impact on his career. He's a knob but I do feel a bit sorry for him.
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chisora v fury on sat night is off. chisora fractured hand in training today
Fury is having no luck with these opponents. His inactivity, which is no fault of his own, could really impact on his career. He's a knob but I do feel a bit sorry for him.
You ever see some of the stuff he puts up on twitter and sorry is not a word you would be associating with him any time soon.
Absolute gobshite
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chisora v fury on sat night is off. chisora fractured hand in training today
Fury is having no luck with these opponents. His inactivity, which is no fault of his own, could really impact on his career. He's a knob but I do feel a bit sorry for him.
You ever see some of the stuff he puts up on twitter and sorry is not a word you would be associating with him any time soon.
Absolute gobshite
I don't bother much with Twitter. Just commenting on a boxer whose career has been badly interrupted over the past 24 months through no fault of his own. I am however aware that he is a knob, as I stated in my post, but I'm also aware that he is a self publicist who uses social media to increase his profile and therefore increase his marketability. I wouldn't be getting too upset by his comments.
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chisora v fury on sat night is off. chisora fractured hand in training today
Fury is having no luck with these opponents. His inactivity, which is no fault of his own, could really impact on his career. He's a knob but I do feel a bit sorry for him.
You ever see some of the stuff he puts up on twitter and sorry is not a word you would be associating with him any time soon.
Absolute gobshite
I don't bother much with Twitter. Just commenting on a boxer whose career has been badly interrupted over the past 24 months through no fault of his own. I am however aware that he is a knob, as I stated in my post, but I'm also aware that he is a self publicist who uses social media to increase his profile and therefore increase his marketability. I wouldn't be getting too upset by his comments.
No, no need to get upset I guess unless you were Gay ;)
Interesting there in the British Empire Games. In his semi final Michael Conlan was stopped in the 2nd round due to a bad cut but because it was caused by a clash of heads and Conlan was ahead on the judges cards at the time, he goes through to the final. The amateurs have stopped wearing headguards.
Paddy Barnes has said that it's harder to win the National Championships than win a medal at the Empire Games. At least we think that's what he said.
Just saw Sean Duffy from Keady come in to the ring behind the Loyalist Banner with a tricolour tattooed on his arm!
Duffy and McGlinchey both got their pans knocked in.
Quote from: AQMP on August 01, 2014, 03:37:12 PM
Just saw Sean Duffy from Keady come in to the ring behind the Loyalist Banner with a tricolour tattooed on his arm!
Duffy and McGlinchey both got their pans knocked in.
all in all though, a slightly better achievement than your post
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Paddy was vociferous in his criticism of Rory McIlroy when he chose to compete for Ireland in the Olympics next year, yet has no problems himself with competing in these Empire Games under the flag of Northern Ireland
Rory's going to get a surprise when he arrives in Rio next year.
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Just saw Sean Duffy from Keady come in to the ring behind the Loyalist Banner with a tricolour tattooed on his arm!
Duffy and McGlinchey both got their pans knocked in.
all in all though, a slightly better achievement than your post
Tis the vernacular round our way.
Quote from: AQMP on August 01, 2014, 02:21:07 PM
Interesting there in the British Empire Games. In his semi final Michael Conlan was stopped in the 2nd round due to a bad cut but because it was caused by a clash of heads and Conlan was ahead on the judges cards at the time, he goes through to the final. The amateurs have stopped wearing headguards.
Paddy Barnes has said that it's harder to win the National Championships than win a medal at the Empire Games. At least we think that's what he said.
Lol
Actually one fight it might be worth seeing will be between Olympic champion Nicola Adams of England and our wee Michaela Walsh for the gold medal in the flyweight division. Walsh has been tipped to be the next big thing in women's boxing. I think that final is tomorrow afternoon (not sure)
Assume at these games you cant face someone from your own country in the boxing??
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 01, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Assume at these games you cant face someone from your own country in the boxing??
At a guess most countries only take one fighter per weight??
When did amateurs stop wearing headguards incidentally?
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Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 01, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Assume at these games you cant face someone from your own country in the boxing??
At a guess most countries only take one fighter per weight??
When did amateurs stop wearing headguards incidentally?
Last year. When is Barnes fighting?
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Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 01, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Assume at these games you cant face someone from your own country in the boxing??
At a guess most countries only take one fighter per weight??
When did amateurs stop wearing headguards incidentally?
Last year. When is Barnes fighting?
tonight at 7.45
Boxing finals today. Adams v. Walsh is first up at 2pm
Barnes scheduled to fight at 245,Conlan 345,Fitzpatrick415.
Best of luck to them
Walsh slightly robbed? :-\
Thought Walsh boxed very well there and was in no way out of her depth.That arsehole of a commentator could only see one boxer in that fight.
Yeah agree with that,thought she fought well and it was very close but that commentary was unbelievablely biased
What is the craic with these Briggs and Klitschko videos? Staged?
thought Michaela walsh boxed very well and can count herself unlucky. she was obviously disappointed but can hold her head high. agree about the commentators, unbelievably biased.
Yeah and reading the sky sports report it said Adams was 'a class apart' and 'too classy' for Walsh and couldn't believe it was a split decision. Not sure they were watching the same fight.
Barnes looking good for gold here.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 02, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 01, 2014, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 01, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 01, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Assume at these games you cant face someone from your own country in the boxing??
At a guess most countries only take one fighter per weight??
When did amateurs stop wearing headguards incidentally?
Last year. When is Barnes fighting?
tonight at 7.45
Balls. He s on now
Aye that was the time for the semi last night.
Quote from: tyroneboi on August 02, 2014, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 02, 2014, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 01, 2014, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 01, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 01, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 01, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Assume at these games you cant face someone from your own country in the boxing??
At a guess most countries only take one fighter per weight??
When did amateurs stop wearing headguards incidentally?
Last year. When is Barnes fighting?
tonight at 7.45
Balls. He s on now
Aye that was the time for the semi last night.
Oops. Sorry Sheedy!
well done paddy barnes. close fight.
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 02, 2014, 03:13:04 PM
well done paddy barnes. close fight.
I thought he won clear enough. Not an easy fight by any means but Barnes looked that little bit sharper and better on the day.
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
thought that was fight of the day so far. brilliant stuff by conlan to fight back after losing the 1st round. at times it got a bit messy but conlan showed he is a class fighter.
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
Saw Barnes saying that myself. Conlon did well to come back after the first. Fitzpatrick looked flat
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
It's a good compromise though I thought. I actually wondered what anthem they would play. I was expecting GSTQ.
Why can't the N.I soccer team use Danny Boy also?
Quote from: laoislad on August 02, 2014, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
It's a good compromise though I thought. I actually wondered what anthem they would play. I was expecting GSTQ.
Why can't the N.I soccer team use Danny Boy also?
That piece of Victorian music hall rubbish has been used for as long as I can remember at the Empire Games. It's the Loyalist fleg I would have problems with.
Walsh did very well but I thought Adams just, just shaded it. Great stuff from her in the interview though, you could almost feel Inverdale cringing. The BBC commentary was a one-eyed disgrace. Did anyone hear Conor McNamara on 5Live during the Barnes medal presentation? Boke!
Barnes and Conlan bought fought well but Fitzpatrick went out with a bit of a whimper against Flynn (who I thought was beaten last night by the Welsh guy).
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
Tweet from Barnes:
"So I said that's not my anthem, so who cares, it's not, NI hasn't got one, educate yourselves, football is GSTQ so make your minds up!"
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE)
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2014, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE)
Why bother making such a comment. If he feels so strongly, why not give representing Northern Ireland at the Commonwealth Games a miss. Also, can you imagine the cries of bigotry etc had Wayne McCullough had done something similar when representing Ireland.
Quote from: michaelg on August 03, 2014, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2014, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE)
Why bother making such a comment. If he feels so strongly, why not give representing Northern Ireland at the Commonwealth Games a miss. Also, can you imagine the cries of bigotry etc had Wayne McCullough had done something similar when representing Ireland.
I'd agree with you Michael. I'm sure he had a good idea what would be played and was just playing for the cameras,this kind of thing seems to be great for any public figure in anyway associated with Ireland to gain a few supporters.
Quote from: michaelg on August 03, 2014, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2014, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on August 02, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
I might have been seeing things but did Paddy Barnes say to someone when Danny Boy started 'Thats not my anthem'? Good luck to Michael Conlon, the cut could become a problem in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwqRsou-JE)
Why bother making such a comment. If he feels so strongly, why not give representing Northern Ireland at the Commonwealth Games a miss. Also, can you imagine the cries of bigotry etc had Wayne McCullough had done something similar when representing Ireland.
Paddy is such a classy guy......
The Belfast boys are class acts.I can see Barnes going stateside for a bash at the pros.
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 03, 2014, 11:23:12 PM
The Belfast boys are class acts.I can see Barnes going stateside for a bash at the pros.
Well he better hurry up, he's 27 now and to get a up to professional standard will take a couple of years don't you think?
Walsh gave the Olympic gold medallist a right rattle in the flyweight final. Split decision that could have gone either way. Not that the commentators would have you thinking something like that - totally in the tank for the English boxer.
For a 20 year-old to do that well she surely has Olympic gold potential.
How did the ballymena guy donnelly do in the end? Missed if or when he was beat.
I taught Donnelly was very flat especially for an Irish Champion.He started well but seemed very leaden footed and slow.He was beaten by a classy operater in fairness.
Its along time til Rio for Barnes and he will not be guareenteed a medal by a long way.I thing he will follow Quigley 27 is not that old in the Pro ranks
Quote from: rossiewanderer on August 03, 2014, 11:40:42 PM
I taught Donnelly was very flat especially for an Irish Champion.He started well but seemed very leaden footed and slow.He was beaten by a classy operater in fairness.
Its along time til Rio for Barnes and he will not be guareenteed a medal by a long way.I thing he will follow Quigley 27 is not that old in the Pro ranks
How long is Quigley boxing at Pro level now?
WTF
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/frank-maloney-sex-change-telling-4030932#.U-cjqDbHrR8.twitter
Holy smokes. Well there ye go now.
Well that's a conversation with the wife that won't go well, It's not you its me, I'm a woman....
You could tell he had a few issues after he did that post fight interview following Price's second loss to Tony Thompson but didn't realise he was bottling up something like that ! Don't think anyone saw that coming.
Doing that interview with the Mirror was some way to announce it to the world. The only way of topping that would have been to do a press conference as Kellie Maloney. I think that would have even had Don King lost for words !
All joking aside, I feel sorry for his daughters, heard they're taking some horrible abuse on Twitter. Must be pretty hard for them to digest the news as it is.
I met Frank Maloney once. Seemed like a nice man. I hope meeting me wasn't the catalyst that caused him to make this surprise transformation. I wish him/her the best of luck with it nonetheless.
Do you think the boxing world will accept this new Kellie Maloney back with open arms as a promoter? I watched the video interview and it was all very surreal.
Should be an interesting fight on Saturday night, Kell Brook v Shawn Porter. Haven't seen much of Porter but living over in Yorkshire I've followed Brook's career closely and been to one of his fights so I'd like to see him do it. A win could set him up for a few big fights next year, I'd love to see him spark out Khan.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Should be an interesting fight on Saturday night, Kell Brook v Shawn Porter. Haven't seen much of Porter but living over in Yorkshire I've followed Brook's career closely and been to one of his fights so I'd like to see him do it. A win could set him up for a few big fights next year, I'd love to see him spark out Khan.
Would like to see KB do well this weekend but the way Shaun Porter dispatched Paulie M you'd have to worry.
Looked to have serious strength.......
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Should be an interesting fight on Saturday night, Kell Brook v Shawn Porter. Haven't seen much of Porter but living over in Yorkshire I've followed Brook's career closely and been to one of his fights so I'd like to see him do it. A win could set him up for a few big fights next year, I'd love to see him spark out Khan.
Would like to see KB do well this weekend but the way Shaun Porter dispatched Paulie M you'd have to worry.
Looked to have serious strength.......
Would like to see him do it just so he is then on a par with Khan at least in negotiations and maybe even has Khan chasing him. A nice repeat of Prescott or Garcia please. Shame that don't think he will though.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Should be an interesting fight on Saturday night, Kell Brook v Shawn Porter. Haven't seen much of Porter but living over in Yorkshire I've followed Brook's career closely and been to one of his fights so I'd like to see him do it. A win could set him up for a few big fights next year, I'd love to see him spark out Khan.
Id love to see anyone do that.
Quote from: ziggy90 on August 15, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Should be an interesting fight on Saturday night, Kell Brook v Shawn Porter. Haven't seen much of Porter but living over in Yorkshire I've followed Brook's career closely and been to one of his fights so I'd like to see him do it. A win could set him up for a few big fights next year, I'd love to see him spark out Khan.
Id love to see anyone do that.
Haven't been watching too closely so, Ziggy!
Quote from: ziggy90 on August 15, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 14, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
Should be an interesting fight on Saturday night, Kell Brook v Shawn Porter. Haven't seen much of Porter but living over in Yorkshire I've followed Brook's career closely and been to one of his fights so I'd like to see him do it. A win could set him up for a few big fights next year, I'd love to see him spark out Khan.
Id love to see anyone do that.
Preferably one of the Klitschkos
;D
Great performance from Kell Brook!
Still am yet to watch the fight but from what i've heard most quarters seem to feel that Brook deserved the decision.
It is some accolade for Brook to say that the other belt holders in my division are Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao !
It will be interesting to see where Brook goes from here. A fight with Amir Khan would be lucrative enough and Hearn would do all he could to market it like another Froch vs Groves II, although I doubt that it would fill Wembley. The wembley sell out needed that spark of controversy in the first fight to really whet the boxing public's appetite. Aso neither Brook or Khan would command the same sort of following as Froch would.
Would be a good fight if it is made all the same.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 18, 2014, 01:41:51 PM
Still am yet to watch the fight but from what i've heard most quarters seem to feel that Brook deserved the decision.
It is some accolade for Brook to say that the other belt holders in my division are Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao !
It will be interesting to see where Brook goes from here. A fight with Amir Khan would be lucrative enough and Hearn would do all he could to market it like another Froch vs Groves II, although I doubt that it would fill Wembley. The wembley sell out needed that spark of controversy in the first fight to really whet the boxing public's appetite. Aso neither Brook or Khan would command the same sort of following as Froch would.
Would be a good fight if it is made all the same.
I saw from sixth round on and had brook winning all but one of them. Not pretty but tough and enjoyable. Porter walked through his jab a lot and tried to outwork him on the inside. All the better punching from range came from Brook. Halling and Watt were saying he was pretty much beaten up in the earlier rounds. Nasty cut on Brook's eye was from a butt. Sounds like the right decision (possibly a draw) but one judge had it 117-111 which was way off.
I thought Brook won the fight comfortably enough. I was following Showtime on Twitter during the fight and even their score card has him 6/7 rounds up. Jim Watt's analysis throughout the fight was a bit strange to say the least and appeared to be giving Porter credit for doing very little. I was disappointed with Porter, he is strong and game but very untidy and although it took Kell a few rounds to come to terms with his aggressive style, once he did he picked him off easy enough and had the presence of mind to hold on when Porter charged in looking to get close. All in all, I was impressed by Kell Brook and he has definitely earned himself the right to be in some mega money fights next year. On the point of selling out Wembley for a fight against Khan, Matchroom and Eddie Hearn are on the crest of a wave at the minute and seemingly can do no wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled off another sell out - they could do with a big undercard though. Perhaps Quigg v Frampton as a joint main event.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
I thought Brook won the fight comfortably enough. I was following Showtime on Twitter during the fight and even their score card has him 6/7 rounds up. Jim Watt's analysis throughout the fight was a bit strange to say the least and appeared to be giving Porter credit for doing very little. I was disappointed with Porter, he is strong and game but very untidy and although it took Kell a few rounds to come to terms with his aggressive style, once he did he picked him off easy enough and had the presence of mind to hold on when Porter charged in looking to get close. All in all, I was impressed by Kell Brook and he has definitely earned himself the right to be in some mega money fights next year. On the point of selling out Wembley for a fight against Khan, Matchroom and Eddie Hearn are on the crest of a wave at the minute and seemingly can do no wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled off another sell out - they could do with a big undercard though. Perhaps Quigg v Frampton as a joint main event.
Neither of those fights belong in Wembley.
Quote from: gallsman on August 18, 2014, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 18, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
I thought Brook won the fight comfortably enough. I was following Showtime on Twitter during the fight and even their score card has him 6/7 rounds up. Jim Watt's analysis throughout the fight was a bit strange to say the least and appeared to be giving Porter credit for doing very little. I was disappointed with Porter, he is strong and game but very untidy and although it took Kell a few rounds to come to terms with his aggressive style, once he did he picked him off easy enough and had the presence of mind to hold on when Porter charged in looking to get close. All in all, I was impressed by Kell Brook and he has definitely earned himself the right to be in some mega money fights next year. On the point of selling out Wembley for a fight against Khan, Matchroom and Eddie Hearn are on the crest of a wave at the minute and seemingly can do no wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled off another sell out - they could do with a big undercard though. Perhaps Quigg v Frampton as a joint main event.
Neither of those fights belong in Wembley.
That's why I suggested it may need two headline fights. Each fight would prob bring 20-25,000 and it would be up to the promoter to fill the rest. Matchroom have proven that they can fill venues and after the success of Froch Groves I'm sure they will try and recreate that.
Carl Frampton would have to win his fight on the 6th before that would be happening, also Hearns and McGuigan didn't get on well after their last dealings so Quigley fight may never happen
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2014, 10:59:17 PM
Carl Frampton would have to win his fight on the 6th before that would be happening, also Hearns and McGuigan didn't get on well after their last dealings so Quigley fight may never happen
Absolutely! But if he does, money talks - PPV at a packed out Wembley?? I'm sure they'd find a way to resolve their differences. Anyway, it's just speculation but I for one would love to see it.
I'm heading up with a few friends on Sat night. Kind of new to this kind of event. Not a lot of info so far on the internet with regards to times of earlier fights etc. Any pointers?
Quote from: GJL on September 02, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
I'm heading up with a few friends on Sat night. Kind of new to this kind of event. Not a lot of info so far on the internet with regards to times of earlier fights etc. Any pointers?
I'm going also, Weather to be grand, this website should help
http://www.cyclonepromotions.com/news/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: GJL on September 02, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
I'm heading up with a few friends on Sat night. Kind of new to this kind of event. Not a lot of info so far on the internet with regards to times of earlier fights etc. Any pointers?
I'm going also, Weather to be grand, this website should help
http://www.cyclonepromotions.com/news/
Taking my Da to it for his birthday. First time at a professional card together -good times if the weather holds out!
Quote from: The Iceman on September 02, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: GJL on September 02, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
I'm heading up with a few friends on Sat night. Kind of new to this kind of event. Not a lot of info so far on the internet with regards to times of earlier fights etc. Any pointers?
I'm going also, Weather to be grand, this website should help
http://www.cyclonepromotions.com/news/
Taking my Da to it for his birthday. First time at a professional card together -good times if the weather holds out!
I find that its a bit volatile, or simmering as there is a lot of lads drinking and wearing tops way too small for them!!
Hopefully the bill beforehand will be better than the last one, they didn't last long
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2014, 10:57:45 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 02, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: GJL on September 02, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
I'm heading up with a few friends on Sat night. Kind of new to this kind of event. Not a lot of info so far on the internet with regards to times of earlier fights etc. Any pointers?
I'm going also, Weather to be grand, this website should help
http://www.cyclonepromotions.com/news/
Taking my Da to it for his birthday. First time at a professional card together -good times if the weather holds out!
I find that its a bit volatile, or simmering as there is a lot of lads drinking and wearing tops way too small for them!!
Hopefully the bill beforehand will be better than the last one, they didn't last long
aye theres usually plenty of scraps about the place. Have a couple of mates in the markets from the old boxing club so we're going to park at their gaff then head over. Seats should be out of the way of most of the trouble.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 02, 2014, 10:59:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2014, 10:57:45 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 02, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: GJL on September 02, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
I'm heading up with a few friends on Sat night. Kind of new to this kind of event. Not a lot of info so far on the internet with regards to times of earlier fights etc. Any pointers?
I'm going also, Weather to be grand, this website should help
http://www.cyclonepromotions.com/news/
Taking my Da to it for his birthday. First time at a professional card together -good times if the weather holds out!
I find that its a bit volatile, or simmering as there is a lot of lads drinking and wearing tops way too small for them!!
Hopefully the bill beforehand will be better than the last one, they didn't last long
aye theres usually plenty of scraps about the place. Have a couple of mates in the markets from the old boxing club so we're going to park at their gaff then head over. Seats should be out of the way of most of the trouble.
This may go the distance, it was a cracking first fight and until Carl put him down it was very close. I expect the same. Duke of York afters for a few!!
Any streams?
http://neolive.net/276788/1/Watch-Boxing--Kiko-Martinez-vs-Carl-Frampton-/
any for Ipad?
Frampton winning this easily at the minute.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2014, 11:14:26 PM
Frampton winning this easily at the minute.
A class act. Could rule the roost in this division.
A great champion & a sound lad to boot.
Yer man was a tough nut but the smart boxing in rounds 1-7 left Frampton in great shape.
Very one-sided affair. Great boxing by Frampton but it wasn't a great scrap as he bossed him, especially early on. Some of the atmosphere seemed to be lost in the open-air arena. People were posting photos last night and you would have needed binoculars!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 07, 2014, 09:38:49 AM
Very one-sided affair. Great boxing by Frampton but it wasn't a great scrap as he bossed him, especially early on. Some of the atmosphere seemed to be lost in the open-air arena. People were posting photos last night and you would have needed binoculars!
Have you been in the gods at Croke? It was grand, great bill and atmosphere was electric (hard to judge from stills ;) ) Kiko is a great fighter. after the second round he just kept coming at Carl, never threw as many punches but when he did he defo connected, only have to look at the bruising Carl ended up with. The embrace before the start of the final round was brilliant. two bloody gladiators giving it their all. Its a tough sport
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 07, 2014, 09:38:49 AM
Very one-sided affair. Great boxing by Frampton but it wasn't a great scrap as he bossed him, especially early on. Some of the atmosphere seemed to be lost in the open-air arena. People were posting photos last night and you would have needed binoculars!
Have you been in the gods at Croke? It was grand, great bill and atmosphere was electric (hard to judge from stills ;) ) Kiko is a great fighter. after the second round he just kept coming at Carl, never threw as many punches but when he did he defo connected, only have to look at the bruising Carl ended up with. The embrace before the start of the final round was brilliant. two bloody gladiators giving it their all. Its a tough sport
Sure weren't you lucky enough to meet me in them one day a few years.
Quote from: J OGorman on September 06, 2014, 11:41:46 PM
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Frampton winning this easily at the minute.
A class act. Could rule the roost in this division.
He could beat the rest although the king is Rigondeaux, most men can barely lay a glove on him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 08, 2014, 08:39:20 AM
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Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2014, 11:14:26 PM
Frampton winning this easily at the minute.
A class act. Could rule the roost in this division.
He could beat the rest although the king is Rigondeaux, most men can barely lay a glove on him.
Frampton is not interested in Rigondeaux, says McGuigan
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/09/frampton-is-not-interested-in-rigondeaux-says-mcguigan/ (http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/09/frampton-is-not-interested-in-rigondeaux-says-mcguigan/)
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Frampton winning this easily at the minute.
A class act. Could rule the roost in this division.
He could beat the rest although the king is Rigondeaux, most men can barely lay a glove on him.
Frampton is not interested in Rigondeaux, says McGuigan
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/09/frampton-is-not-interested-in-rigondeaux-says-mcguigan/ (http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/09/frampton-is-not-interested-in-rigondeaux-says-mcguigan/)
Of course they aren't, McGuigan will keep Frampton away from Rigondeaux as he knows the likely outcome of the fight in advance.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 08, 2014, 08:52:13 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 08, 2014, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 06, 2014, 11:41:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2014, 11:14:26 PM
Frampton winning this easily at the minute.
A class act. Could rule the roost in this division.
He could beat the rest although the king is Rigondeaux, most men can barely lay a glove on him.
Frampton is not interested in Rigondeaux, says McGuigan
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/09/frampton-is-not-interested-in-rigondeaux-says-mcguigan/ (http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/09/frampton-is-not-interested-in-rigondeaux-says-mcguigan/)
Of course they aren't, McGuigan will keep Frampton away from Rigondeaux as he knows the likely outcome of the fight in advance.
McGuigan though should really say they have certain objectives at the minute which include Quigg and a couple of others and once / if they are achieved, they will re-evaluate and this will maybe include yer man Guillermo. On Sat night and in that interview, cash seems to be the sole driving force at the minute.
Frampton is some boxer, and with hopfeully a few more big victories behind him, get the big fight on
Rigondeaux is an animal, I wouldn't fancy Frampton's chances against him but it's obvious he's one of the best in the business. A level or two above Bernard Dunne and Casey.
Would be silly in the extreme to be looking at Rigondeaux, and at the age of 33 he'll probably be retired before Carl gets a fight at the others around the division. As for making the most money you can, it's a professional business, making money is what it's all about.
Was talking to Carl this morning, face is pretty swollen still and stitches above his eye, his back is sore also but he's in good spirits as you can imagine , said he's going for a scan on hand today. Civic reception tomorrow in Belfast but he'd rather have it all low key if truth be told.
Was up at it. Great set up and fantastic atmosphere before the big fight. We were lucky with the weather too. Would have been a different story had it been raining.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Would be silly in the extreme to be looking at Rigondeaux, and at the age of 33 he'll probably be retired before Carl gets a fight at the others around the division. As for making the most money you can, it's a professional business, making money is what it's all about.
Was talking to Carl this morning, face is pretty swollen still and stitches above his eye, his back is sore also but he's in good spirits as you can imagine , said he's going for a scan on hand today. Civic reception tomorrow in Belfast but he'd rather have it all low key if truth be told.
Not sure about that. Late starter in the pro game and his style is unloved by the American networks so not making the kind of money his incredible skills deserve. One of the slickest on the planet. Donaire couldn't touch him in their fight.
As I drove up Duncairn Gardens last night the wee hoods from New Lodge and Tigers Bay were goading each other into a fight. I wasnt sure if this was as a results of the Frampton scrap, the Owc win, the Ireland win, or the hurling draw.
Quote from: Orior on September 08, 2014, 01:32:35 PM
As I drove up Duncairn Gardens last night the wee hoods from New Lodge and Tigers Bay were goading each other into a fight. I wasnt sure if this was as a results of the Frampton scrap, the Owc win, the Ireland win, or the hurling draw.
Or just a normal Sunday night
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2014, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Would be silly in the extreme to be looking at Rigondeaux, and at the age of 33 he'll probably be retired before Carl gets a fight at the others around the division. As for making the most money you can, it's a professional business, making money is what it's all about.
Was talking to Carl this morning, face is pretty swollen still and stitches above his eye, his back is sore also but he's in good spirits as you can imagine , said he's going for a scan on hand today. Civic reception tomorrow in Belfast but he'd rather have it all low key if truth be told.
Not sure about that. Late starter in the pro game and his style is unloved by the American networks so not making the kind of money his incredible skills deserve. One of the slickest on the planet. Donaire couldn't touch him in their fight.
Well either way it would be career ending to take him on. Barry never came back after his title defeat in Vegas. To make a lot of money in boxing you have to choose your fights well and get out of it quickly before you end up taking too many hits.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2014, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Would be silly in the extreme to be looking at Rigondeaux, and at the age of 33 he'll probably be retired before Carl gets a fight at the others around the division. As for making the most money you can, it's a professional business, making money is what it's all about.
Was talking to Carl this morning, face is pretty swollen still and stitches above his eye, his back is sore also but he's in good spirits as you can imagine , said he's going for a scan on hand today. Civic reception tomorrow in Belfast but he'd rather have it all low key if truth be told.
Not sure about that. Late starter in the pro game and his style is unloved by the American networks so not making the kind of money his incredible skills deserve. One of the slickest on the planet. Donaire couldn't touch him in their fight.
Don't understand why they don't like his style - admittedly haven't watch a full fight of his but any highlights I have watched look brilliant. He would whoop Frampton!
Quote from: WT4E on September 08, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2014, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Would be silly in the extreme to be looking at Rigondeaux, and at the age of 33 he'll probably be retired before Carl gets a fight at the others around the division. As for making the most money you can, it's a professional business, making money is what it's all about.
Was talking to Carl this morning, face is pretty swollen still and stitches above his eye, his back is sore also but he's in good spirits as you can imagine , said he's going for a scan on hand today. Civic reception tomorrow in Belfast but he'd rather have it all low key if truth be told.
Not sure about that. Late starter in the pro game and his style is unloved by the American networks so not making the kind of money his incredible skills deserve. One of the slickest on the planet. Donaire couldn't touch him in their fight.
Don't understand why they don't like his style - admittedly haven't watch a full fight of his but any highlights I have watched look brilliant. He would whoop Frampton!
Ok so they aren't in the business to come out and say he'd stuff me in a fight. That won't get you anywhere, so Barry will put a spin on it. Who in their right mind would want to fight him, box clever (shit pun) and get as many defences as you can make you money and get out. I think that's best and the safest option, no?
Do a lot of fighters not also want to prove that they are the best? I would hope that Frampton would want to make money but also push himself to the limit to see how far he could go. No boxer is unbeatable and while Rigondeaux is unbelievably elusive and fast, he has been beat before and Frampton is getting better and possesses the skill set to possibly beat him. No need to rush it though, take on the mandatory and fight Cruz and/or Quigg. If he comes through all those tests he will be a better fighter for it and hopefully Rigondeaux will still be there.
I see he has a suspected broken hand. This could put the fights on hold for a few months!
I think Rigondeaux has been down 3 times in his pro career.That said,he is the top man in the division.I think Frampton will fight his mandatory then a big money spinner with Quigg.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 08, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
Do a lot of fighters not also want to prove that they are the best? I would hope that Frampton would want to make money but also push himself to the limit to see how far he could go. No boxer is unbeatable and while Rigondeaux is unbelievably elusive and fast, he has been beat before and Frampton is getting better and possesses the skill set to possibly beat him. No need to rush it though, take on the mandatory and fight Cruz and/or Quigg. If he comes through all those tests he will be a better fighter for it and hopefully Rigondeaux will still be there.
Course you do, and becoming a world champion at one of those divisions is a start, but like I've said already, don't rush into this, fight the other guys first, I'd say 4 defences and financially (and no guarantee he'll win those) he'll be sorted before taking on the likes of Rigondeaux.
All about the TV rights/deals now, the 3 fight contract with Boxnation is over and time to look at a better deal elsewhere. I'd say Carl will box with a lot more confidence now with the title.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 08, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
Do a lot of fighters not also want to prove that they are the best? I would hope that Frampton would want to make money but also push himself to the limit to see how far he could go. No boxer is unbeatable and while Rigondeaux is unbelievably elusive and fast, he has been beat before and Frampton is getting better and possesses the skill set to possibly beat him. No need to rush it though, take on the mandatory and fight Cruz and/or Quigg. If he comes through all those tests he will be a better fighter for it and hopefully Rigondeaux will still be there.
Everyone loses an amateur fight here and there, even the very best. Twice Olympic champion, unbeaten as a pro.
Rigo is also El Chacal - the Jackal, just like Carl. Potential slant to it. Don't see it happening any time soon.
Big crowd at City hall there today for Frampton reception.
Was at the Frampton fight and had a great evening/night (despite the cold temperatures). A couple of questions for any punters out there who went:
Why do most people wait until the last couple of fights to come in to the arena? Therefore missing all of the under-card and some cracking fights?
I was out at the portaloos a few times (serious queue's) and people were openly snorting drugs (likely coke) on two occasions even though there was a drone overhead - is this normal for belfast now (and I don't mean the drones)?
Quote from: The Iceman on September 15, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
Was at the Frampton fight and had a great evening/night (despite the cold temperatures). A couple of questions for any punters out there who went:
Why do most people wait until the last couple of fights to come in to the arena? Therefore missing all of the under-card and some cracking fights?
I was out at the portaloos a few times (serious queue's) and people were openly snorting drugs (likely coke) on two occasions even though there was a drone overhead - is this normal for belfast now (and I don't mean the drones)?
As in most cities drugs are very common, but more so when you head to a boxing fight. I've always felt a little uneasy at any boxing bill I've been at, always simmering. Too many ex/wanna be boxers about coked/drunked out of their skulls looking for some action
Other than that it twas grand
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 15, 2014, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 15, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
Was at the Frampton fight and had a great evening/night (despite the cold temperatures). A couple of questions for any punters out there who went:
Why do most people wait until the last couple of fights to come in to the arena? Therefore missing all of the under-card and some cracking fights?
I was out at the portaloos a few times (serious queue's) and people were openly snorting drugs (likely coke) on two occasions even though there was a drone overhead - is this normal for belfast now (and I don't mean the drones)?
As in most cities drugs are very common, but more so when you head to a boxing fight. I've always felt a little uneasy at any boxing bill I've been at, always simmering. Too many ex/wanna be boxers about coked/drunked out of their skulls looking for some action
Other than that it twas grand
I've come across it in Belfast more often in the last couple of years I'd say as things start to pickup there's more money about to fire up your nose I guess. . .
Quote from: The Iceman on September 15, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
Was at the Frampton fight and had a great evening/night (despite the cold temperatures). A couple of questions for any punters out there who went:
Why do most people wait until the last couple of fights to come in to the arena? Therefore missing all of the under-card and some cracking fights?
I was out at the portaloos a few times (serious queue's) and people were openly snorting drugs (likely coke) on two occasions even though there was a drone overhead - is this normal for belfast now (and I don't mean the drones)?
This does my head in! Why would u pay for a ticket and only go watch one fight ffs. I have stopped going to the last few boxing events in belfast because of the spide element floating about. Tends to draw in a crowd of sum bags.
I sat and watched all the fights with my da. There were a few spides about but not too many at least donw where we were sitting. Fair few gippos about as there was a lad from limerick fighting who no doubt knows his way around a caravan.
For the first 4/5 fights there was maybe 1000 - 2000 people in - then for the last 2 the full 16000 were in attendance - waste of money IMO but I enjoy the fights more than the occasion.
Very impressed with that lad from John Breen's gym - McCullough - he looked the real deal.
Conrad Cummings was rough around the edges but looked good enough.
O'Kane was a dose. He knew he was beat I think on the firt exchange and didn't want anything to do with Stapulionis. Stuck the head in him a few times and opened a nasty cut. Very dirty, scrappy fight that wasn't nice to watch at all. He was lucky to keep the belts with a technical draw.
that lad Anthony Cacace was tidy to watch. Real talent and power to match.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 15, 2014, 09:00:27 PM
I sat and watched all the fights with my da. There were a few spides about but not too many at least donw where we were sitting. Fair few gippos about as there was a lad from limerick fighting who no doubt knows his way around a caravan.
For the first 4/5 fights there was maybe 1000 - 2000 people in - then for the last 2 the full 16000 were in attendance - waste of money IMO but I enjoy the fights more than the occasion.
Very impressed with that lad from John Breen's gym - McCullough - he looked the real deal.
Conrad Cummings was rough around the edges but looked good enough.
O'Kane was a dose. He knew he was beat I think on the firt exchange and didn't want anything to do with Stapulionis. Stuck the head in him a few times and opened a nasty cut. Very dirty, scrappy fight that wasn't nice to watch at all. He was lucky to keep the belts with a technical draw.
that lad Anthony Cacace was tidy to watch. Real talent and power to match.
Next big thing
Paul Smith, the latest fighter to experience a home town score card in Germany. Pro boxing decisions in a Germany are becoming a farce. The fight was close, there's no doubting that, but that was ridiculous
Quote from: J OGorman on September 27, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
Paul Smith, the latest fighter to experience a home town score card in Germany. Pro boxing decisions in a Germany are becoming a farce. The fight was close, there's no doubting that, but that was ridiculous
Absolutely agree, I think it could have gone either way but no way did Smith only win one round. Must be very frustrating.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 27, 2014, 11:36:04 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on September 27, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
Paul Smith, the latest fighter to experience a home town score card in Germany. Pro boxing decisions in a Germany are becoming a farce. The fight was close, there's no doubting that, but that was ridiculous
Absolutely agree, I think it could have gone either way but no way did Smith only win one round. Must be very frustrating.
Boxing is a joke would make FIFA look like a Guardian angel convention, the fact that nobody has gave a f**k enough to do anything about it shames it even more. It borders on Fraudulent. It might as well be WWE, at least they call it Entertainment.
Watching the recaps during the rounds , you'd swear Smith did an Audley on it and never threw a punch. Crazy stuff
No boxing expert but I watched it and thought Abraham was well ahead
I happened to be flicking about the Channels last night and watched the last 3 rounds of the fight. I was listening to Watt, the other gobshite and the 2 gobshites in the studio and I was thinking to myself, the Brits tend to carried away with their reading of fights when one of their own is involved and I bet Abraham wins handsomely. General consensus seems to be it was a lot tighter than the scores suggested, but the Brit commentators are deadly for getting carried away, no objectivity at all.
I know you have to question the level of opponents but feck me Anthony Joshua looks like he punches hard.
Anyone watching the bellew-cleverley fight? As bad a fight as I have seen! How anybody would pay for that is beyond me!
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 23, 2014, 12:14:43 AM
Anyone watching the bellew-cleverley fight? As bad a fight as I have seen! How anybody would pay for that is beyond me!
I thought it was an entertaining fight. Both men putting it in and taking some good shots! not the best standard but a good scrap!
Quote from: tyroneboi on November 23, 2014, 12:14:43 AM
Anyone watching the bellew-cleverley fight? As bad a fight as I have seen! How anybody would pay for that is beyond me!
Sky having this on box office is a complete joke.
In fairness to both lads they put their all in but their all's even less than i had believed previously. The last few rounds were laughable really,Cleverley in a heap on the ropes and Bellew swinging away with less power than a 12 year old kid. Sky are some legends for getting people to part with their hard earned to watch this.
Quote from: beer baron on November 23, 2014, 10:07:34 AM
In fairness to both lads they put their all in but their all's even less than i had believed previously. The last few rounds were laughable really,Cleverley in a heap on the ropes and Bellew swinging away with less power than a 12 year old kid. Sky are some legends for getting people to part with their hard earned to watch this.
It was poor enough stuff, both lads are well below top class and just because they don't like each other doesn't mean it's a big fight. It's becoming more and more like WWE with Matchroom, big cards full of hyped up superstars against cannon fodder and rivalries building up in the background, Froch v Groves replaced by Cleverly v Belllew which is being replaced by Groves v Degale again.
Looking forward to Eubank/Saunders - we'll see if he's anything like his old man.
Quote from: ONeill on November 29, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
Looking forward to Eubank/Saunders - we'll see if he's anything like his old man.
Dean?
Quote from: ONeill on November 29, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
Looking forward to Eubank/Saunders - we'll see if he's anything like his old man.
I hope he's as good as his da says he is. I was listening to him on the radio the other night and he is still fuckin nuts. - I always quite enjoyed watching him though.
In other news, Tyson Fury has been told to shave.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/28/2393D35F00000578-2853468-image-89_1417204620728.jpg)
Saunders still living on the site: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2853468/Billy-Joe-Saunders-grew-bare-knuckle-boxing-Chris-Eubank-Jnr-probably-ran-mum-fight-young.html
any links?
http://crichd.tv/channel-5-live-stream.php
Saunders took the first. Eubank will learn a lot about himself here. Step up in class.
And the second. Eubank looking for one big punch. Hasn't boxed yet.
Is there no links where payment info is not required?
Don't think Eubank has won a round yet
Won the last two, no?
I have it 5-2
He's back in this. Both blowing hard.
CEJ WARMING TO THIS....WARMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was a good round. Getting interesting!
Can go either way. Eubanks landing bombs.
I think Chris must stop him now after that round. Saunders dug enough out to win the 10th.
Eubanks gonna have to stop him to win.
6-5 at a stretch to Saunders going into the last.....
Saunders by about 2 I'd say.
Those first 5 rounds were baffling by Eubank. WBN has it 6-6.
Good fight, BJS by 2 rounds for me.
CEJ will be kicking himself for the 1st five rounds though
I had Saunders by 3 at the end. Tough as teak. You'd tell Eubank Jr to tell his da to either bog off or put on a tracksuit
How the feck did one give it 3 rounds to Eubank?
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2014, 12:17:09 AM
How the feck did one give it 3 rounds to Eubank?
Was thinking that myself.
Eubank was very frustrating, had he done anything in the opening 5 rounds he'd have won that relatively easily!
Quite easily. The odd big shot and blistering combo looks good but doesnt beat a steady scoring fighter. You see it different. That's your call.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2014, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2014, 12:17:09 AM
How the feck did one give it 3 rounds to Eubank?
Was thinking that myself.
Eubank was very frustrating, had he done anything in the opening 5 rounds he'd have won that relatively easily!
You had Saunders by 2. I had him by 3...not a huge difference
Hoping for another entertaining Tyson Fury fight here ;D
Chisora looking like a loyalist rioter.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 30, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2014, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2014, 12:17:09 AM
How the feck did one give it 3 rounds to Eubank?
Was thinking that myself.
Eubank was very frustrating, had he done anything in the opening 5 rounds he'd have won that relatively easily!
You had Saunders by 2. I had him by 3...not a huge difference
Yes, but one of the judges had Eubank by 3.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 30, 2014, 12:19:46 AM
Quite easily. The odd big shot and blistering combo looks good but doesnt beat a steady scoring fighter. You see it different. That's your call.
You on the glue?
Fury/Chisora...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
Fury/Chisora...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Brutal, it's shows how bad the heavyweights has become that this is an eliminator for a world title shot.
cheers oneill. good link. woeful fight. stayin up to watch that dung...
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 30, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2014, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2014, 12:17:09 AM
How the feck did one give it 3 rounds to Eubank?
Was thinking that myself.
Eubank was very frustrating, had he done anything in the opening 5 rounds he'd have won that relatively easily!
You had Saunders by 2. I had him by 3...not a huge difference
Yes, but one of the judges had Eubank by 3.
This is what I don't get about boxing. Granted I'm no expert but I find it really strange that there can be so much variation in how professional judges see the fight. For one judge to score the fight to eubank by 3 rounds is baffling. Am I missing something? How does the scoring actually work?
Did ye see Mickey Rourke boxing professionally at 62 or 63 years of age? Apparently he won a fixed fight against some lad that had a 1-9 record previously, a 29 year old. Looks dodgy alright, but not as dodgy as Mickey Rourke himself. Holy shit, what happened him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScF_C_rJDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScF_C_rJDg)
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2014, 02:06:37 PM
Did ye see Mickey Rourke boxing professionally at 62 or 63 years of age? Apparently he won a fixed fight against some lad that had a 1-9 record previously, a 29 year old. Looks dodgy alright, but not as dodgy as Mickey Rourke himself. Holy shit, what happened him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScF_C_rJDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScF_C_rJDg)
Just had a quick look at it there. . . jaysus have you ever seen anything as blatant!!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on November 30, 2014, 10:01:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 30, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2014, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 30, 2014, 12:17:09 AM
How the feck did one give it 3 rounds to Eubank?
Was thinking that myself.
Eubank was very frustrating, had he done anything in the opening 5 rounds he'd have won that relatively easily!
You had Saunders by 2. I had him by 3...not a huge difference
Yes, but one of the judges had Eubank by 3.
This is what I don't get about boxing. Granted I'm no expert but I find it really strange that there can be so much variation in how professional judges see the fight. For one judge to score the fight to eubank by 3 rounds is baffling. Am I missing something? How does the scoring actually work?
Lots of factors in scoring:
Nationality
Which fighter is at home
How thick the envelope in your dressing room is
Who gave you said envelope.
Woke up like a kid at Christmas this morning hearing the news of Mayweather saying "yes" to a Pacquiao fight and even setting a date of May 2nd.
Mayweather has 2 more fights left of his 6 fight tv deal with Showtime and assuming he won those fights he would be 49-0. I always felt he might try angle the Pacquiao fight for his 50th fight when he would be a free agent and get the chance to earn those few more dollars that he desperately needs, possibly eclipsing Rocky Marciano's 49-0 record in the process. However, Mayweather and his adviser Al Haymon are not so slow at getting out the watering can and making the green on offer grow as much as possible. They may well decide the time for the fight is now between the top 2 pound for pound fighters* The marketability of the fight was not what it once was with Pacquiao having sustained losses in recent years and Father Time gradually catching up with both fighters. Following Pacquiao's impressive win over Chris Algieri this could be the time to make the fight for Mayweather with Pacquiao prepared to accept the "poor man's" portion of the fight purse and also agreeing to all drug testing which had been a previous stumbling block. Bob Arum (Pacquiao's promoter) may be prepared to play his part for once as he also realises the time is now to tap the lucrative new market of China for potential massive PPV numbers.
It could well just happen this time round but I'm just not quite as believing as the kid at Christmas and will be keeping my free cancellation policy for the MGM Grand on the weekend of May 2nd very handy !
In other news, Andy Lee may have the best chance he ever will of winning a world title as he fights Matt Korobov for the vacant WBO middleweight belt on the undercard of the Tim Bradley vs Diego Chaves fight in Vegas tonight. Korobov was a great amateur but he hasn't shared the ring with that illustrious company as of late, while Andy Lee has gained some valuable experience particularly against Chavez Jnr and seems to be developing well under Adam Booth. Korobov deserves to be favourite and while I know I'll have a natural bias towards any Irish fighter I can't help but feel that Lee is value, with some bookmakers offering odds as big as 3/1 on his chances of winning tonight.
*due to the lack of competition in the heavyweight division I just can't have Klitschko as number 2 in the P4P list
What do you think of Khan v Alexander Af?
Quote from: bennydorano on December 13, 2014, 07:13:20 PM
What do you think of Khan v Alexander Af?
Khan's desperation to get the Money fight is embarrassing. Seen some shite in the paper yesterday where he was asking the public to demand the fight happens.
Would love to see him get chinned tonight and put it all to bed.
Khan will have his team doctor there to stop Alexander should they feel he is in bother....nothing will stop Team Khan getting all the cash they deserve
Khan might come out with stupid comments etc but he is a classy classy boxer. Yes he has a dodgy chin but that's not his fault and he shows unreal heart any time he gets caught. His skill set and his vulnerability to big shots make his fights very exciting. His fight with Maidana was fight of the year a couple of years back. Think Virgil Hunter has done a really good job so far with Khan and on the face of it Khans defence seems to have tightened. I think he will win on points, perhaps having to come off the floor. It is a bit repetitive him wanting to fight Mayweather, Pacquiao etc but in fairness to the lad he wants to fight the best and there's a hell of a lot in the boxing game without that attitude. If more had his attitude it'd be a much better sport for fans who are frustrated constantly with the politics which stop the best fighting the best.
Until Pacquiao and Mayweather are in the ring I'll not get excited about the fight as there's been too many false dawns.
Andy Lee v Korobov is a great fight, think Korobov will win but Andy will give a very good showing, hope I'm wrong.
Good man andy lee.
Quote from: bridgegael on December 14, 2014, 06:24:37 AM
Good man andy lee.
Fantastic result..... Ireland 'punching' well above its weight lately
Always thought lee would be a world champion, didnt th it would take this long. Delighted for ihim. Somewhat stole the limelight from amir cant that side of the pond tii last night
Quote from: bridgegael on December 14, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
Always thought lee would be a world champion, didnt th it would take this long. Delighted for ihim. Somewhat stole the limelight from amir cant that side of the pond tii last night
Did he really? I'm no fan of Amir Khan but he was excellent last night. Fair play to Andy Lee, Billy Joe Saunders and himself should be interesting.
Class win for Lee! Handled the step up in weight much bette than I expected. Why is there so little buzz in the streets about the guy though? If you compare him with say Frampton? Marketing I guess! Khan was flawless last night made a two weight world champion look bang average with his hand speed. I'll get slated for this cause most peoples opinion of Khan are warped by their dislike his personality and his earlier career but I think Khan is the only man who can beat Mayweather and has a much greater chance than Pacquiao if he keeps to how he is boxing under Hunder. Styles make fights and Khans style is all wrong for Maywesther. I honestly believe his chances of fighting Mayweather will have worsened after last night. Floyd is no mug and will realise Khans ability to take rounds with his combos and in out style is a nightmare for anyone unless you can brawl him, something Maywesther doesn't do.
Quote from: TF15 on December 14, 2014, 11:16:58 AM
Class win for Lee! Handled the step up in weight much bette than I expected. Why is there so little buzz in the streets about the guy though? If you compare him with say Frampton? Marketing I guess! Khan was flawless last night made a two weight world champion look bang average with his hand speed. I'll get slated for this cause most peoples opinion of Khan are warped by their dislike his personality and his earlier career but I think Khan is the only man who can beat Mayweather and has a much greater chance than Pacquiao if he keeps to how he is boxing under Hunder. Styles make fights and Khans style is all wrong for Maywesther. I honestly believe his chances of fighting Mayweather will have worsened after last night. Floyd is no mug and will realise Khans ability to take rounds with his combos and in out style is a nightmare for anyone unless you can brawl him, something Maywesther doesn't do.
Because he's flattered to deceive on several previous occasions and got badly beaten up by Chavez Jr.
Quote from: TF15 on December 14, 2014, 11:16:58 AM
Class win for Lee! Handled the step up in weight much bette than I expected. Why is there so little buzz in the streets about the guy though? If you compare him with say Frampton? Marketing I guess! Khan was flawless last night made a two weight world champion look bang average with his hand speed. I'll get slated for this cause most peoples opinion of Khan are warped by their dislike his personality and his earlier career but I think Khan is the only man who can beat Mayweather and has a much greater chance than Pacquiao if he keeps to how he is boxing under Hunder. Styles make fights and Khans style is all wrong for Maywesther. I honestly believe his chances of fighting Mayweather will have worsened after last night. Floyd is no mug and will realise Khans ability to take rounds with his combos and in out style is a nightmare for anyone unless you can brawl him, something Maywesther doesn't do.
Marketing plays a big part. hopefully that will give him platform to have massive defence title fight in Ireland.
A double bill with Frampton would bring in some fans
Quote from: TF15 on December 14, 2014, 11:16:58 AM
Class win for Lee! Handled the step up in weight much bette than I expected. Why is there so little buzz in the streets about the guy though? If you compare him with say Frampton? Marketing I guess! Khan was flawless last night made a two weight world champion look bang average with his hand speed. I'll get slated for this cause most peoples opinion of Khan are warped by their dislike his personality and his earlier career but I think Khan is the only man who can beat Mayweather and has a much greater chance than Pacquiao if he keeps to how he is boxing under Hunder. Styles make fights and Khans style is all wrong for Maywesther. I honestly believe his chances of fighting Mayweather will have worsened after last night. Floyd is no mug and will realise Khans ability to take rounds with his combos and in out style is a nightmare for anyone unless you can brawl him, something Maywesther doesn't do.
Lee didn't really step up in weight. He has been boxing at middleweight all his pro career and only dropped down for his last fight where he was poor to be honest before getting the KO. Back at middleweight where he belongs. Was great to see him win and will be a popular champion for sure but he isn't in the top 5 middleweights in the world if we are being honest.
Yeah I just meant the step up again for this fight because in interviews he had been saying he would have preferred the World title shot at the lower weight class but got the chance at middle so he wasn't going to turn it down. Lee also said he would fancy a go at Golovkin and wouldn't fear it. Would enjoy that fight while it lasted! Lee would throw the kitchen sink for the first few rounds in the hope he finds GGG before GGG finds him. But to be honest Golovkin is just to good and punches too hard for Lee (anyone in the division) to withstand.
Quote from: TF15 on December 14, 2014, 12:47:46 PM
Yeah I just meant the step up again for this fight because in interviews he had been saying he would have preferred the World title shot at the lower weight class but got the chance at middle so he wasn't going to turn it down. Lee also said he would fancy a go at Golovkin and wouldn't fear it. Would enjoy that fight while it lasted! Lee would throw the kitchen sink for the first few rounds in the hope he finds GGG before GGG finds him. But to be honest Golovkin is just to good and punches too hard for Lee (anyone in the division) to withstand.
Simple - Lee is lying. Everyone at middleweight is terrified of GGG. Most at super middle too.
Stay away from GGG, Andy.
Take the fight after a few winnable title defences for the pay-day. That's the only time he should even consider it.
No way should he go up a weight, not against G.anyway.
Quote from: amanda on December 15, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
No way should he go up a weight, not against G.anyway.
GGG fights at middleweight - Lee's weight.
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
GGG is unbeatable.
Anybody know what has happened Luis Garcia, I remember him signing a big US promotional deal but he hasnt fought in 3 years.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Simply put, he's unbelievable and Lee as the others have said, should stay well away from him for the meantime.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 18, 2014, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Simply put, he's unbelievable and Lee as the others have said, should stay well away from him for the meantime.
To my eyes he's the best fighter on planet Earth right now. He can't get the big fights he deserves because everyone runs away from him at double-speed because they know they'll lose.
I think only Andre Ward could even hang with an on-form GGG. I don't even think Cotto would put up much resistance against GGG. Once in a generation talent.
Quote from: Syferus on December 18, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 18, 2014, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Simply put, he's unbelievable and Lee as the others have said, should stay well away from him for the meantime.
To my eyes he's the best fighter on planet Earth right now. He can't get the big fights he deserves because everyone runs away from him at double-speed because they know they'll lose.
I think only Andre Ward could even hang with an on-form GGG. I don't even think Cotto would put up much resistance against GGG. Once in a generation talent.
Cotto wouldn't stand a chance against GGG. I genuinely think Lee would have a decent chance against Cotto, hes a much bigger man with a serious height/reach advantage and has that KO power. That won't happen anytime soon though with Alvarez-Cotto set for Cinco de mayo. I expect Alvarez to win that one too.
Lee should stay clear of GGG. Realistically he has a chance against an ageing Jermain Taylor and Cotto who own the other two major belts at Middleweight. If he gets past Saunders, and that's a big if, you couldn't blame him for taking a couple of easy defenses though.
Quote from: Syferus on December 18, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Quote from: DennistheMenace on December 18, 2014, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 15, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
yer man Golovkin, has he fought anyone of real worth yet? Plenty of knockouts but no big hitters listed. Is he the new William Wallace? 7 foot tall and all that
Simply put, he's unbelievable and Lee as the others have said, should stay well away from him for the meantime.
To my eyes he's the best fighter on planet Earth right now. He can't get the big fights he deserves because everyone runs away from him at double-speed because they know they'll lose.
I think only Andre Ward could even hang with an on-form GGG. I don't even think Cotto would put up much resistance against GGG. Once in a generation talent.
I'd agree, would love to see him spark Mayweather but that obviously won't happen.
Have read a couple articles on Golovkin and the boxing journalists reckon he hasnt been tested. What big names has he fought really? He looks some prospect though but I'm not buying the hype as much as most on here
Quote from: JoG2 on December 18, 2014, 04:15:13 PM
Have read a couple articles on Golovkin and the boxing journalists reckon he hasnt been tested. What big names has he fought really? He looks some prospect though but I'm not buying the hype as much as most on here
He probably hasn't been in fairness but the only reasons for this are a combination of poor management and the rest of the division refusing to fight him.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 18, 2014, 04:15:13 PM
Have read a couple articles on Golovkin and the boxing journalists reckon he hasnt been tested. What big names has he fought really? He looks some prospect though but I'm not buying the hype as much as most on here
He has KO'd or TKO'd Daniel Geale, Marco Antonio Rubio, Matthew Macklin, Curtis Stevens, Gabriel Rosado. Not elite but very good boxers. There really isn't anyone at Middleweight left since Cotto beat Martinez, maybe Peter Quillan but i think he would KO him too. He's facing Martin Murray next and he is probably as good as what is left.
It's a long time ago now but Golovkin defeated Andy Lee easily in an amateur bout.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 18, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
It's a long time ago now but Golovkin defeated Andy Lee easily in an amateur bout.
the definitive answer I was looking for :-)
Quote from: JoG2 on December 18, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 18, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
It's a long time ago now but Golovkin defeated Andy Lee easily in an amateur bout.
the definitive answer I was looking for :-)
He actually beat Andy Lee and Matt Korobov in the same tournament.
GGG's biggest fights are not in his weight class, move down to fight Mayweather or up to fight Ward. Mayweather won't happen so his best chance to prove he is the best would be to move up and beat Ward.
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 18, 2014, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 18, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 18, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
It's a long time ago now but Golovkin defeated Andy Lee easily in an amateur bout.
the definitive answer I was looking for :-)
He actually beat Andy Lee and Matt Korobov in the same tournament.
GGG's biggest fights are not in his weight class, move down to fight Mayweather or up to fight Ward. Mayweather won't happen so his best chance to prove he is the best would be to move up and beat Ward.
I think the Ward fight could actually happen if they tried to make it happen. GGG appears willing to fight anyone, anywhere. He's been adopted as one of their own over the last few years and given Ward's inactivity, either through the injury or legal dispute, he'll have a hard time winning back his fans. Would be fascinating as Ward would be by far the slickest fighter he's faced (assuming he hasn't lost anything) and it would be interesting to see how his power carries half a stone upwards. From the way he knocks people about the place, I reckon his power would handle the increased weight pretty easily.
Quillan was afraid to fight Korobov so never fighting GGG. Would love to see him fight Ward, Alvarez, Martinez, Froch or Ward.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Quillan was afraid to fight Korobov so never fighting GGG. Would love to see him fight Ward, Alvarez, Martinez, Froch or Ward.
In fairness Quillan would have faced Korobov if not for his manager, Al Haymon, a former music mogul who has a lot of bad blood with Jay-Z and Beyoncé - Jay-Z's Roc Nation won the bid for that particular world title fight and Quillan agreed to drop the belt rather than fight..
..yes, Andy has 99 problems but a world title ain't one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Quillan was afraid to fight Korobov so never fighting GGG. Would love to see him fight Ward, Alvarez, Martinez, Froch or Ward.
Martinez is done and would take a horrific beating from GGG. His power against the Froch chin would be interesting!
Quote from: gallsman on December 19, 2014, 01:29:33 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Quillan was afraid to fight Korobov so never fighting GGG. Would love to see him fight Ward, Alvarez, Martinez, Froch or Ward.
Martinez is done and would take a horrific beating from GGG. His power against the Froch chin would be interesting!
Froch has heart but my God is he easy to hit. His technique is really poor on combinations and it regresses to flailing at points. GGG would have a field day.
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2014, 03:01:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 19, 2014, 01:29:33 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Quillan was afraid to fight Korobov so never fighting GGG. Would love to see him fight Ward, Alvarez, Martinez, Froch or Ward.
Martinez is done and would take a horrific beating from GGG. His power against the Froch chin would be interesting!
Froch has heart but my God is he easy to hit. His technique is really poor on combinations and it regresses to flailing at points. GGG would have a field day.
GGG's defence isn't tip top either and he takes plenty of shots - he just tends to walk through them. Froch "literally" has the heart of a lion and his chin is like granite. I think his skills are fading, but he has been criminally underrated his entire career. Not necessarily saying I think he'd win but I think it would be a bloody good fight. Additionally, Froch has never ducked anyone and if the fight could be made for decent money (which it surely could, either here or in the States), I think both fighters would jump at it, although GGG might want to hoover up a few more middleweight belts before a step up.
See Paddy Barnes has nailed his true colours to his chest ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2014, 12:12:34 AM
See Paddy Barnes has nailed his true colours to his chest ;)
'That's not my anthem.'
Quote from: CD on December 31, 2014, 07:27:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2014, 12:12:34 AM
See Paddy Barnes has nailed his true colours to his chest ;)
'That's not my anthem.'
Just trying to keep everyone happy
Andy Lee vs Peter Quillin announced for April 11th in New York.
The fight will be broadcast on network television on NBC.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2015, 09:45:51 PM
Andy Lee vs Peter Quillin announced for April 11th in New York.
The fight will be broadcast on network television on NBC.
I heard Lee is getting close to a million for this instead of taking a more winnable homecoming fight for a fraction of that. Good luck to him, he'll need it.
Jez, a great fight between Moylette and Walsh in the light-welterweight final tonight. Moylette had done enough for me - more clean shots. Walsh lucky to have the influential Uncle Billy in his corner. :-\
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 24, 2015, 01:31:57 AM
Jez, a great fight between Moylette and Walsh in the light-welterweight final tonight. Moylette had done enough for me - more clean shots. Walsh lucky to have the influential Uncle Billy in his corner. :-\
Got home just after that and heard it was fantastic. Next one up was flyweight between Casey and Metcalfe, which was abysmal. I felt short changed!
Tried to find this online but does any of you know what time the ring walks for Murray v Golovokin and Smith v Abrahim fights are due? Obvious wins in both fights but interested to see how they pan out and would want to watch both.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 20, 2015, 01:06:40 AM
Tried to find this online but does any of you know what time the ring walks for Murray v Golovokin and Smith v Abrahim fights are due? Obvious wins in both fights but interested to see how they pan out and would want to watch both.
should be OK, in AA's case, German based boxers dont lose at home.
Golovkin fight on Channel 5, Smith fight on Sky and Frampton on ITV I hear. Thats a great Saturday nights viewing
Frampton is next week.
Quote from: gallsman on February 20, 2015, 11:22:27 AM
Frampton is next week.
2 great Saturday nights viewing then
Looking forward to the GGG and Frampton fights. Would love to see GGG v Mayweather, Ward or Froch.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Looking forward to the GGG and Frampton fights. Would love to see GGG v Mayweather, Ward or Froch.
GGG vs Ward is the only possibility, the other 2 won't happen.
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 20, 2015, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Looking forward to the GGG and Frampton fights. Would love to see GGG v Mayweather, Ward or Froch.
GGG vs Ward is the only possibility, the other 2 won't happen.
My thinking too, Froch is only after a fight that he will win (Chavez Jr) and Mayweather won't go near him. GGG is the biggest threat to Mayweather, not Pacquaio.
What do the aficionados make of this analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIev0bGrkM4&spfreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIev0bGrkM4&spfreload=10)
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 20, 2015, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Looking forward to the GGG and Frampton fights. Would love to see GGG v Mayweather, Ward or Froch.
GGG vs Ward is the only possibility, the other 2 won't happen.
My thinking too, Froch is only after a fight that he will win (Chavez Jr) and Mayweather won't go near him. GGG is the biggest threat to Mayweather, not Pacquaio.
Yeah agree with all that, especially Froch. GGG is a much bigger man than Mayweather though and it is borderline if you could even expect him to fight someone so much bigger (I think a lot of people just want to see Mayweather lose). Anyway more likely GGG moves up or there is a catchweight to face Ward.
Call me crazy as well and I don't like the man but Amir Khan with the right gameplan could cause Mayweather trouble too based on his speed/size alone.
Quote from: muppet on February 20, 2015, 01:37:28 PM
What do the aficionados make of this analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIev0bGrkM4&spfreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIev0bGrkM4&spfreload=10)
I've seen this video before, was it on here? It's a good tactical breakdown of Lee's gameplan but I don't think Andy was as in control as the video makes out. Tactically spot on though (the back foot stance, counter punches etc.)
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 20, 2015, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Looking forward to the GGG and Frampton fights. Would love to see GGG v Mayweather, Ward or Froch.
GGG vs Ward is the only possibility, the other 2 won't happen.
My thinking too, Froch is only after a fight that he will win (Chavez Jr) and Mayweather won't go near him. GGG is the biggest threat to Mayweather, not Pacquaio.
GGG is to big of a risk for any of them!
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 20, 2015, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2015, 01:14:22 PM
Looking forward to the GGG and Frampton fights. Would love to see GGG v Mayweather, Ward or Froch.
GGG vs Ward is the only possibility, the other 2 won't happen.
My thinking too, Froch is only after a fight that he will win (Chavez Jr) and Mayweather won't go near him. GGG is the biggest threat to Mayweather, not Pacquaio.
Froch is after the biggest payday possible and if that means a showdown with GGG in Vegas, he'd take it. Froch has never ducked anyone, believes he can beat anyone and has always been prepared to travel and I can't see him changing those habits now.
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 20, 2015, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 20, 2015, 01:37:28 PM
What do the aficionados make of this analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIev0bGrkM4&spfreload=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIev0bGrkM4&spfreload=10)
I've seen this video before, was it on here? It's a good tactical breakdown of Lee's gameplan but I don't think Andy was as in control as the video makes out. Tactically spot on though (the back foot stance, counter punches etc.)
Dunno much about boxing but the obvious flaw is that Lee wasn't impressing the judges at all. If that really was the gameplay then fair enough, it demonstrates that very well. But it is hard to believe he would happily go way behind by losing so many rounds early on in the hope of a stoppage.
Pacquiao's confirmed the May weather fight goes ahead. Pity it wasn't a few years back but should still be good.
Quote from: beer baron on February 20, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Pacquiao's confirmed the May weather fight goes ahead. Pity it wasn't a few years back but should still be good.
2nd May. Dunno if it will be much use.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 20, 2015, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 20, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Pacquiao's confirmed the May weather fight goes ahead. Pity it wasn't a few years back but should still be good.
2nd May. Dunno if it will be much use.
Ah I can't wait for this, may be a few years too late but it will be some show. I'd imagine Sky will have it on ppv.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 21, 2015, 12:03:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 20, 2015, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: beer baron on February 20, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Pacquiao's confirmed the May weather fight goes ahead. Pity it wasn't a few years back but should still be good.
2nd May. Dunno if it will be much use.
Ah I can't wait for this, may be a few years too late but it will be some show. I'd imagine Sky will have it on ppv.
Or BoxNation, which would be a bollox for a lot of people in the south. Will go to the highest bidder I imagine.
http://www.hbo.com/html/mobile-landing/boxing.html
Some good short videos on Golovkin v Murray.
Golovkin looks a serious operator. 90% knockout rate over 31 fights!
Golovkin's an absolute K.O machine,Murray's going to be broke into pieces,the knock out Golovkin gave Rubio by punching him on the top of the skull was something i can't remember ever seeing before,how'd he not do himself serious damage :o ? He's available at 1/14 but i honestly felt he'd be something like 1/66 or shorter even. Mind you i doubt too may will be putting 14k to win 1 anyway.
Super scrap between Smith and AA. 2 real warriors.
Looking forward to seeing Golovkin here on Channel 5, haven't saw much of him.
Can be no gripes from Smith tonite
GGG looks like a modern day Ivan Drago!!
Serious operator!
Some performance by Murray to still be in there :o
Thon's a strange arena.
Murray doing rightly.
Doing rightly? He was getting beat about the ring for 11 rounds. Fought bravely to hang in as long as he did to be fair.
Quote from: JimStynes on February 22, 2015, 12:16:42 AM
Doing rightly? He was getting beat about the ring for 11 rounds. Fought bravely to hang in as long as he did to be fair.
Aye that's what I meant. He was boxed out of the ring but he nearly made it to the end.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2015, 12:22:31 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 22, 2015, 12:16:42 AM
Doing rightly? He was getting beat about the ring for 11 rounds. Fought bravely to hang in as long as he did to be fair.
Aye that's what I meant. He was boxed out of the ring but he nearly made it to the end.
He got a bit of luck after the second knock-down with the ref stopping the action due to thinking he heard the bell and also the 3rd knock-down when the bell saved him.
Good luck to Framps. Class act.
http://firstrowusa.eu/boxing/first-carl-frampton-vs-chris-avalos-row590b73 (http://firstrowusa.eu/boxing/first-carl-frampton-vs-chris-avalos-row590b73)
For any exiles hoping to watch
That was very impressive!!
Frampton is looking great. Timing and movement are world class. Seems to be improving with each fight.
No value for money there.
I always hate seeing pricks in the first few rows shadow boxing. Cringe.
How many McGuigan boys is there? All over the fookin place.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 28, 2015, 11:37:44 PM
No value for money there.
I always hate seeing pricks in the first few rows shadow boxing. Cringe.
It was an incredible performance. Great occassion.
Big talk from Barry.
Them Mc Guigans are some arseholes, jumping and leaping about the ring - I have more time for the lad from T Bay.
Barry & the son seem like a pair of cocks
I like Quigg but he looked intimidated in that interview. He won't come to Belfast to fight Frampton in a million years.
Some amount of asinine begrudgery on this thread. 90% of the posts don't have anything to do with Frampton's excellent performance.
I wonder was Barney Eastwood there?
Cracking fight, excellent stoppage, but Frampton still managed to ship a lot of punches from a limited, albeit very game, opponent.
Doesn't matter what McGuigan says, Rigo is the divisional king and I think Carl has a bit to go yet before stepping in ring with that kind of quality.
Nothing learned from that fight.
Barry doing a Eubank.
Quote from: gallsman on March 01, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
Cracking fight, excellent stoppage, but Frampton still managed to ship a lot of punches from a limited, albeit very game, opponent.
Doesn't matter what McGuigan says, Rigo is the divisional king and I think Carl has a bit to go yet before stepping in ring with that kind of quality.
Did you see Rigondeaux's last fight? Did he really look that impressive whilst getting tumbled twice?
Frampton is clearly improving. If he beats Quigg (and I think he should) he shouldn't be fearing the 34 year-old Cuban, who would probably be willing to come to Belfast.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2015, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 01, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
Cracking fight, excellent stoppage, but Frampton still managed to ship a lot of punches from a limited, albeit very game, opponent.
Doesn't matter what McGuigan says, Rigo is the divisional king and I think Carl has a bit to go yet before stepping in ring with that kind of quality.
Did you see Rigondeaux's last fight? Did he really look that impressive whilst getting tumbled twice?
You mean the one he travelled to Japan for, came back from the above and ended up winning?
Quote from: Syferus on March 01, 2015, 12:21:22 AM
Frampton is clearly improving. If he beats Quigg (and I think he should) he shouldn't be fearing the 34 year-old Cuban, who would probably be willing to come to Belfast.
What do you not like about Quigg?
Quote from: gallsman on March 01, 2015, 12:34:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 01, 2015, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 01, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
Cracking fight, excellent stoppage, but Frampton still managed to ship a lot of punches from a limited, albeit very game, opponent.
Doesn't matter what McGuigan says, Rigo is the divisional king and I think Carl has a bit to go yet before stepping in ring with that kind of quality.
Did you see Rigondeaux's last fight? Did he really look that impressive whilst getting tumbled twice?
You mean the one he travelled to Japan for, came back from the above and ended up winning?
And got put down twice? Showed enough weaknesses to suggest he is beatable. It doesn't matter what country he travelled to, he was still getting punched which is your crititicism of Frampton and in my view he is good but not the undisputable number one that seems to be the standard comment in this division.
Quote from: ONeill on March 01, 2015, 12:35:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 01, 2015, 12:21:22 AM
Frampton is clearly improving. If he beats Quigg (and I think he should) he shouldn't be fearing the 34 year-old Cuban, who would probably be willing to come to Belfast.
What do you not like about Quigg?
It's more to do with what I like about Frampton.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 28, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
Barry & the son seem like a pair of cocks
You know them? Typical response from you, expect nothing else from a bigot
Carl and McGuigan have put a serious amount of effort into promoting boxing in Belfast, N.Ireland and Ireland as a whole, Carl is getting what he deserves, the effort he's put in has been tremendous, being away from home for 3 months training and being as discipline as he has been is paying big rewards for him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2015, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 28, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
Barry & the son seem like a pair of cocks
You know them? Typical response from you, expect nothing else from a bigot
Carl and McGuigan have put a serious amount of effort into promoting boxing in Belfast, N.Ireland and Ireland as a whole, Carl is getting what he deserves, the effort he's put in has been tremendous, being away from home for 3 months training and being as discipline as he has been is paying big rewards for him
You should get pom-poms as Frampton's biggest cheerleader. Nice of you to recognise NI and the rest of Ireland as 2 separate entities. Partitionist.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2015, 01:17:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2015, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 28, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
Barry & the son seem like a pair of cocks
You know them? Typical response from you, expect nothing else from a bigot
Carl and McGuigan have put a serious amount of effort into promoting boxing in Belfast, N.Ireland and Ireland as a whole, Carl is getting what he deserves, the effort he's put in has been tremendous, being away from home for 3 months training and being as discipline as he has been is paying big rewards for him
You should get pom-poms as Frampton's biggest cheerleader. Nice of you to recognise NI and the rest of Ireland as 2 separate entities. Partitionist.
Don't be such a p***k, I've known Carl since he was 10, been to a lot of his amateur fights when he was you and all his professional fights, he's been a proper gent in all he's interviews. as for being his biggest supporter, there was 16 thousand at his fight with Kiko and 9000 tonight giving him plenty of support also.
Your reason for not supporting him are?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2015, 01:17:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2015, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 28, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
Barry & the son seem like a pair of cocks
Nice of you to recognise NI and the rest of Ireland as 2 separate entities. Partitionist.
I didn't create partition, it was already here before I was born, unfortunately that's the way it is, if you have a problem with that take it up with someone who can change it. Your wife has no problem taking public money
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Cracking fight, excellent stoppage, but Frampton still managed to ship a lot of punches from a limited, albeit very game, opponent.
Doesn't matter what McGuigan says, Rigo is the divisional king and I think Carl has a bit to go yet before stepping in ring with that kind of quality.
Did you see Rigondeaux's last fight? Did he really look that impressive whilst getting tumbled twice?
You mean the one he travelled to Japan for, came back from the above and ended up winning?
And got put down twice? Showed enough weaknesses to suggest he is beatable. It doesn't matter what country he travelled to, he was still getting punched which is your crititicism of Frampton and in my view he is good but not the undisputable number one that seems to be the standard comment in this division.
Rigo beat "the man" in the division. Comprehensively. I like Frampton a lot but I don't think he's come anywhere close to being in the ring with an operator like Rigo or Donaire
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Cracking fight, excellent stoppage, but Frampton still managed to ship a lot of punches from a limited, albeit very game, opponent.
Doesn't matter what McGuigan says, Rigo is the divisional king and I think Carl has a bit to go yet before stepping in ring with that kind of quality.
Did you see Rigondeaux's last fight? Did he really look that impressive whilst getting tumbled twice?
You mean the one he travelled to Japan for, came back from the above and ended up winning?
And got put down twice? Showed enough weaknesses to suggest he is beatable. It doesn't matter what country he travelled to, he was still getting punched which is your crititicism of Frampton and in my view he is good but not the undisputable number one that seems to be the standard comment in this division.
Rigo beat "the man" in the division. Comprehensively. I like Frampton a lot but I don't think he's come anywhere close to being in the ring with an operator like Rigo or Donaire
I'd agree with that... Maybe 18 month's down the line in Vegas that might happen.. But Carl should be sensible enough not to kill the cash cow too early..
Donaire obviously fallen a lot since the Rigo fight but attempt there was to illustrate the difference in class right now.
Looks like Milltown Row 2 was on the juice last night with his incoherent ranting
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Looks like Milltown Row 2 was on the juice last night with his incoherent ranting
You're still a WUM with nothing of note to talk about. Troll springs to mind
MR2 :D
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MR2 :D
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Sure that's the easy way out.... We could post that all day in these threads, I've done it myself many times. I thought you'd a bit of intelligence
Like shooting fish in a barrel. You always falls for the cheerleader jibe whether it be Frampton or McIlroy.
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Like shooting fish in a barrel. You always falls for the cheerleader jibe whether it be Frampton or McIlroy.
Again thought you'd more sense. Bring something constructive to the debate
Anyonr see eubank jr fight. He is getting better everytime i.see him. Could be a real contender in middleweight in the next few years. His dad is still seeking his limelight though
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Anyonr see eubank jr fight. He is getting better everytime i.see him. Could be a real contender in middleweight in the next few years. His dad is still seeking his limelight though
Seen him fight on the undercard of Framptons fight in Belfast last year, good enough boxer.. But Chris will always want the Limelight that's who he is.
He was very impressive last night.
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Anyonr see eubank jr fight. He is getting better everytime i.see him. Could be a real contender in middleweight in the next few years. His dad is still seeking his limelight though
Eubank Jr. looked Excellent last night and the ref should have stopped the fight much sooner, the corner seems like a shambles between rounds though.
He's talented but needs to ditch the da. Sr's interference cost him the Saunders fight.
Saw him on the BoxNation equivalent of Ringside a few weeks ago and he was a bit delusional. Either ignoring or not quite grasping how big a setback the loss was.
The loss wasn't that big a set-back Galls. Warren wants to make Saunders Eubank II for the world title if Saunders can win the strap off the winner of Quillan and Lee. Actually came away from that fight with people knowing he can more than mix it with a very good operator in Saunders. He had balls taking that fight last night after losing his 0. The fella (although he turned out to be limited) was very highly rated and a dangerous live opponent who was eyeing the world stage. I wish more fighters lost their 0 when they were young. Losing 1 fight is no bad thing and it would stop fighters cherry picking to protect their 0.
On Eubank Snr.....the less said the better lol But he is raising Jnrs profile even if he's taking that enlarged limelight away from him.
Frampton has given the sport of boxing a massive boost locally. there seems to be a few more boxers that could potentially follow his lead. How good are Burnett, Cacace, McCullough etc?
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Frampton has given the sport of boxing a massive boost locally. there seems to be a few more boxers that could potentially follow his lead. How good are Burnett, Cacace, McCullough etc?
McCullough looks good any time I've seen him, focused on the job, Barry's other fighter Conrad Cummings? was great at the start but boxed well enough on Sat night so he's improved a lot. A lot of local fighters getter their chance on these bills which they probably would not have had a chance to, and Breen (who I like a lot) is getting a chance to showcase his fighters also
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Frampton has given the sport of boxing a massive boost locally. there seems to be a few more boxers that could potentially follow his lead. How good are Burnett, Cacace, McCullough etc?
Add in Cummings, Nevin and Quigley to that list too. Is Jamie Kavanagh any good?
Looks like Rigondeux is going after Quigg. Could upset plans for a summer fight with Frampton.
International boxing manager Gary Hyde, president of Nowhere2Hyde Management, has formally petitioned the World Boxing Association (WBA) to enforce a mandatory title fight between Hyde's fighter, WBA Super amd World Boxing Organization (WBO) super bantamweight champion Guillermo "The Jackal" Rigondeaux (15-0, 10 KOs), and WBA "regular" 122-pound division titlist Scott Quigg (30-0-2, 22 KOs).
Below is a copy of Hyde's letter to the WBA:
Dear Chairman Mendoza:
I write as the manager of Guillermo Rigondeaux, the Unified WBA/WBO Champion.
I write to request enforcement of the mandatory. Uniquely in the Super Bantamweight Division Guillermo Rigondeaux is the "Unified Champion" and Scott Quigg is the "Regular Champion." Clearly as the Regular Champion Quigg is the highest ranked contender in the division. While he was injured he is now back in training and there is no reason why Mr. Rigondeaux cannot or should not fulfill his mandatory obligations against Mr. Quigg.
We are aware that there are some discussions about a bout between Quigg and Frampton. However, we have been in touch with the IBF and they will not sanction the unification fight with anyone other than the highest level champion which in this case is Guillermo Rigondeaux.
We respectfully suggest that it is best to deal with the mandatory issue now and request that Quigg and Guillermo be directed to begin negotiations.
Respectfully submitted,
Gary Hyde
Strange, why wouldn't he want to fight Frampton? Quigg wouldn't bring more hype to the fight than Frampton.
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Strange, why wouldn't he want to fight Frampton? Quigg wouldn't bring more hype to the fight than Frampton.
not going to pretend to know...
does he fancy himself against Scott Quigg rather than Frampton?
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Strange, why wouldn't he want to fight Frampton? Quigg wouldn't bring more hype to the fight than Frampton.
not going to pretend to know...
does he fancy himself against Scott Quigg rather than Frampton?
I doubt it, he's the best in the division it just seems strange, Quigg is decent enough but I don't think he'd put up much of a show... I saying that there isn't many who would
Maybe he knows that the money fight is v Frampton in this division. Beating Quigg gives him a much enhanced profile in the UK and sets up a huge fight v Frampton later in the year. I hadn't realised Rigondeux's promoter was a Cork man.
i think you are right benny. Rigondeux is relativly unknow over here. if he puts quigg away-whuch he will- then it sets up an even bigger fight v Frampton later on. all about the money
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i think you are right benny. Rigondeux is relativly unknow over here. if he puts quigg away-whuch he will- then it sets up an even bigger fight v Frampton later on. all about the money
I dunno, if Rigo comes here or a bigger venue in the UK, Carl will sell the place out regardless of opponent. Unlikely to be on ppv so he's unlikely to care too much.
I'd say Rigo is probably looking at fact there are two money fights in the division for him at this stage if Santa Cruz moves up as expected - Frampton and Quigg. As champion, why would he want to let Frampton or Quigg get two big paydays out of it rather than himself?
Very good business then... I was hoping to head to Vegas for it ffs!
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Strange, why wouldn't he want to fight Frampton? Quigg wouldn't bring more hype to the fight than Frampton.
not going to pretend to know...
does he fancy himself against Scott Quigg rather than Frampton?
Jesus lads it's very obvious. Rigo can force Quigg to face him as he is the real WBA champion and Quigg should be his mandatory. The WBA can force Quigg to face Rigo or lose his seondary title.
Rigo isn't in a position to make Frampton do anything, although hopefully from a fans point of view it will get made in the future. Rigo won't be scared of fighting anyone either.
He's looking a handy payday by 'stepping aside' as the mandated fighter to let Frampton v Quigg actually happen. Certainty.
Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
That's been the anticipated price since the fight was announced. Positively decent value on sky here in comparison!
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
In fairness , anyone paying that in America will no doubt have plenty of mates over to watch it with them and the cost will be shared.
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
In fairness , anyone paying that in America will no doubt have plenty of mates over to watch it with them and the cost will be shared.
What does it cost here?
Is it on sky box office?
£20 on sky.
what is spike o sullivan like? havent seen much of him, i see he was to fight eubank next but that is not happening now over the contract.
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
That's been the anticipated price since the fight was announced. Positively decent value on sky here in comparison!
If it was on at a reasonable hour on this side of the Atlantic Sky would have fleeced us. I suppose they couldn't justify anything over £20 for a fight starting at 4.30am
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
That's been the anticipated price since the fight was announced. Positively decent value on sky here in comparison!
If it was on at a reasonable hour on this side of the Atlantic Sky would have fleeced us. I suppose they couldn't justify anything over £20 for a fight starting at 4.30am
Could be a serious disappointment.
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
That's been the anticipated price since the fight was announced. Positively decent value on sky here in comparison!
If it was on at a reasonable hour on this side of the Atlantic Sky would have fleeced us. I suppose they couldn't justify anything over £20 for a fight starting at 4.30am
I wouldn't think the inconvenience of getting out of bed would come into Sky's thinking in the slightest. They know how big the fight is and that if people want to see it they know they'll pay for it. I thought it would have been more.
Might be the first fight I get on PPV since Tyson-Lewis. Then again.. sleeping in and downloading it in the morning sounds good too.
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Mayweather v Pac $99 on PPV for HD & $79 for SD :o in the US
That's been the anticipated price since the fight was announced. Positively decent value on sky here in comparison!
If it was on at a reasonable hour on this side of the Atlantic Sky would have fleeced us. I suppose they couldn't justify anything over £20 for a fight starting at 4.30am
I wouldn't think the inconvenience of getting out of bed would come into Sky's thinking in the slightest. They know how big the fight is and that if people want to see it they know they'll pay for it. I thought it would have been more.
Boxing enthusiasts will get out of bed or stay up and pay it. But you cant argue that if it was on here at a reasonable hour the ppv sales here wouldnt be much much higher. I would say that a business like Sky did take that in to account when pricing it at £20. They would be stupid not to. I enjoy my boxing, watch plenty of fights, will get this won for free ;) but with two small kids there is no guarantee I will get up to watch it.
I heard Khan slabbering earlier this week about fighting either Thurman, Broner or Algieri. I would have put my house on him picking the worst out of the 3 and he did. The man is a joke, goes on about deserving to fight Mayweather etc yet doesn't even have a belt. Kell Brook is an undefeated World Champion and Khan seems to think he is the one who calls the shots. Never has there been a more annoying fighter, always cherry picking his fights.
Algieri is a disappointing fight alright but in his last 15 fights he's fought names such as Alexander, Collazo, Maidana, Judah, Garcia, Petersen, malignaggi, McCloskey, kotelnik, Molina, Barrera. All men who've won world titles or been at that level. I genuinely think he views Brook as his back up if he doesn't get the big names in America. Losing that fight may leave him nowhere to go whereas he will always have that pay day. It's disappointing but Algeiri was a world Champion at 140. If you do a similar analysis of Brooks last 10 fights bar Porter you'll only know Matthew Hatton. The rest are don't compare to any of Khans aforementioned opposition.
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Algieri is a disappointing fight alright but in his last 15 fights he's fought names such as Alexander, Collazo, Maidana, Judah, Garcia, Petersen, malignaggi, McCloskey, kotelnik, Molina, Barrera. All men who've won world titles or been at that level. I genuinely think he views Brook as his back up if he doesn't get the big names in America. Losing that fight may leave him nowhere to go whereas he will always have that pay day. It's disappointing but Algeiri was a world Champion at 140. If you do a similar analysis of Brooks last 10 fights bar Porter you'll only know Matthew Hatton. The rest are don't compare to any of Khans aforementioned opposition.
But Brook is now a champion and is looking for the fight with Khan. If you really analyse Khans opponents then a lot of them were not top, top drawer. Kotelnik, Molina, Malignaggi, Peterson (who beat him), Alexander and Collazo were all safe enough options as they have no real power while he took on Judah and Barrera who were well past their best (and needed a doctor to get a technical victory over Barrera). Why has he never attempted to avenge his losses against Peterson, Prescott or Garcia? Why not try and arrange a fight with Broner, Rios, Bradley, Marquez, Thurman or Porter? Or Brook?
There will be loads of non boxing people watching the fight regardless of the hour it's on.
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Algieri is a disappointing fight alright but in his last 15 fights he's fought names such as Alexander, Collazo, Maidana, Judah, Garcia, Petersen, malignaggi, McCloskey, kotelnik, Molina, Barrera. All men who've won world titles or been at that level. I genuinely think he views Brook as his back up if he doesn't get the big names in America. Losing that fight may leave him nowhere to go whereas he will always have that pay day. It's disappointing but Algeiri was a world Champion at 140. If you do a similar analysis of Brooks last 10 fights bar Porter you'll only know Matthew Hatton. The rest are don't compare to any of Khans aforementioned opposition.
Not to mention a certain M. Pacquiao. Not that he offered much in that fight though.
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Quote from: TF15 on April 03, 2015, 01:37:27 PM
Algieri is a disappointing fight alright but in his last 15 fights he's fought names such as Alexander, Collazo, Maidana, Judah, Garcia, Petersen, malignaggi, McCloskey, kotelnik, Molina, Barrera. All men who've won world titles or been at that level. I genuinely think he views Brook as his back up if he doesn't get the big names in America. Losing that fight may leave him nowhere to go whereas he will always have that pay day. It's disappointing but Algeiri was a world Champion at 140. If you do a similar analysis of Brooks last 10 fights bar Porter you'll only know Matthew Hatton. The rest are don't compare to any of Khans aforementioned opposition.
But Brook is now a champion and is looking for the fight with Khan. If you really analyse Khans opponents then a lot of them were not top, top drawer. Kotelnik, Molina, Malignaggi, Peterson (who beat him), Alexander and Collazo were all safe enough options as they have no real power while he took on Judah and Barrera who were well past their best (and needed a doctor to get a technical victory over Barrera). Why has he never attempted to avenge his losses against Peterson, Prescott or Garcia? Why not try and arrange a fight with Broner, Rios, Bradley, Marquez, Thurman or Porter? Or Brook?
As Dan Rafael says, he's not a champion, he's (like Frampton) a titleholder. Of all the things khan can be accused of, avoiding tough fights is not one of them.
Also, khan did not "need" a doctor in that fight against Barrera. He was dominating him as MAB was completely shot at that stage.
I just feel that everyone is giving Brook a free ride like he's someone who takes on all comers but him and Khan are both the same age, Brook has had 34 fights and Khan 33 and look at the difference in caliber of opponent. Even the most critical eyes on Khan's CV show him to have fought a different league of opposition.
It's disappointing the fights don't get made when we want them, but unfortunately Boxing is a business and has more politics than any other sport.
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I just feel that everyone is giving Brook a free ride like he's someone who takes on all comers but him and Khan are both the same age, Brook has had 34 fights and Khan 33 and look at the difference in caliber of opponent. Even the most critical eyes on Khan's CV show him to have fought a different league of opposition.
It's disappointing the fights don't get made when we want them, but unfortunately Boxing is a business and has more politics than any other sport.
Being an Olympic silver medalist and coming into the pros with a high profile meant that Khan was always going to get fast tracked into the big fights. Brook has had to work his way through the small hall events (I've attended two of his fights in Sheffield) and as a result, his list of opponents may not be as impressive. But, he''s got there now on merit and beating Porter in America launched him into the top end of the welterweight bracket. I think they are now both at a similar level, Khan may well win if they met but his constant nonsense about Brook not being at his level is not doing him any favours and it is he, who appears to be avoiding the fight. As a result he is the one getting the rough ride. Why would he choose to fight Algieri in a nothing fight, for a relatively small purse when he could tackle Brook for a world title, at a packed Wembley stadium and a massive pay day? This seems strange to me and makes it look like Khan is ducking him.
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I just feel that everyone is giving Brook a free ride like he's someone who takes on all comers but him and Khan are both the same age, Brook has had 34 fights and Khan 33 and look at the difference in caliber of opponent. Even the most critical eyes on Khan's CV show him to have fought a different league of opposition.
It's disappointing the fights don't get made when we want them, but unfortunately Boxing is a business and has more politics than any other sport.
Being an Olympic silver medalist and coming into the pros with a high profile meant that Khan was always going to get fast tracked into the big fights. Brook has had to work his way through the small hall events (I've attended two of his fights in Sheffield) and as a result, his list of opponents may not be as impressive. But, he''s got there now on merit and beating Porter in America launched him into the top end of the welterweight bracket. I think they are now both at a similar level, Khan may well win if they met but his constant nonsense about Brook not being at his level is not doing him any favours and it is he, who appears to be avoiding the fight. As a result he is the one getting the rough ride. Why would he choose to fight Algieri in a nothing fight, for a relatively small purse when he could tackle Brook for a world title, at a packed Wembley stadium and a massive pay day? This seems strange to me and makes it look like Khan is ducking him.
Think that is pretty spot on. Not sure what the story with Khan maybe fighting winner of Mayweather-Pacquiao is, but I wouldn't discount it as like him or loathe him - in my case the latter - he is nearly always in exciting scraps. If he has got word that he is next in line then I can understand him holding off on Brook, as even if he lost to one of them Brook would still be an option. The fact he is holding off suggests he isn't convinced he beats Brook, but I actually wouldn't hold it against him as think will definitely happen. If he gets spanked by either of those two however and still demands 50-50 or better etc. then I would like Brook to tell him to piss off but ultimately not sure that Brook is going to have huge options for massive paydays and he wont find a better option.
Eddie Hearn goes on Sky Sports and shows a cheque for £1.5m made out to Carl Frampton to fight Scott Quigg in Manchester. Looks like a desperate act by Hearn to try and make out Frampton doesn't want the fight. Unfortunately it looks to me like this fight may be unlikely to happen any time soon, especially after McGuigan's response!
Frampton's right to stand his ground. Hearn is cosy with Sky but this fight would be huge on ITV (both for the fighters' profiles and the sport's profile) and it obviously should be a co-promotion because both fighters are 'domestic' stars in their own rights.
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Frampton's right to stand his ground. Hearn is cosy with Sky but this fight would be huge on ITV (both for the fighters' profiles and the sport's profile) and it obviously should be a co-promotion because both fighters are 'domestic' stars in their own rights.
What is Quiggs actual title? Frampton is a proper belt holder and should get the bigger purse. Hearn playing games which is what promoters do.. Sky have the money but pay per view pisses most boxing fans off
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Frampton's right to stand his ground. Hearn is cosy with Sky but this fight would be huge on ITV (both for the fighters' profiles and the sport's profile) and it obviously should be a co-promotion because both fighters are 'domestic' stars in their own rights.
What is Quiggs actual title? Frampton is a proper belt holder and should get the bigger purse. Hearn playing games which is what promoters do.. Sky have the money but pay per view pisses most boxing fans off
JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHT (122 LBS)
WBO IBF WBA WBC
Guillermo Rigondeaux Carl Frampton *Guillermo Rigondeaux Leo Santa Cruz
Scott Quigg is the WBA "regular" junior featherweight champion and Oscar Escandon is the WBA interim junior featherweight champion.
Basically the WBA have to mess things up by having various Super, Regular and interim champions. Rigo is the real WBA champion.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 07, 2015, 04:43:41 PM
Frampton's right to stand his ground. Hearn is cosy with Sky but this fight would be huge on ITV (both for the fighters' profiles and the sport's profile) and it obviously should be a co-promotion because both fighters are 'domestic' stars in their own rights.
What is Quiggs actual title? Frampton is a proper belt holder and should get the bigger purse. Hearn playing games which is what promoters do.. Sky have the money but pay per view pisses most boxing fans off
JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHT (122 LBS)
WBO IBF WBA WBC
Guillermo Rigondeaux Carl Frampton *Guillermo Rigondeaux Leo Santa Cruz
Scott Quigg is the WBA "regular" junior featherweight champion and Oscar Escandon is the WBA interim junior featherweight champion.
Basically the WBA have to mess things up by having various Super, Regular and interim champions. Rigo is the real WBA champion.
So basically Quigg is division 3 champ? And Hearn is looking 50/50 purse ??? Dick Turpin had a mask....
Andy may have got a lucky break with the Quillin fight becoming a non-title because 'Kid Chocolate' couldn't make the weight. He is a dangerous opponent and was a surprising first defence. If Andy wins there's no cause for a rematch for the title and if he loses he at least gets a second crack at it and likely will have time for a big fight at home regardless.
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Andy may have got a lucky break with the Quillin fight becoming a non-title because 'Kid Chocolate' couldn't make the weight. He is a dangerous opponent and was a surprising first defence. If Andy wins there's no cause for a rematch for the title and if he loses he at least gets a second crack at it and likely will have time for a big fight at home regardless.
If Quillin wins the title becomes vacant I believe. Do we know if Lee gets an automatic shot at the title if he loses?
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Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
Andy may have got a lucky break with the Quillin fight becoming a non-title because 'Kid Chocolate' couldn't make the weight. He is a dangerous opponent and was a surprising first defence. If Andy wins there's no cause for a rematch for the title and if he loses he at least gets a second crack at it and likely will have time for a big fight at home regardless.
If Quillin wins the title becomes vacant I believe. Do we know if Lee gets an automatic shot at the title if he loses?
I don't think there's any automatic vacation. Certainly not how the story has been reported.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 10, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
Andy may have got a lucky break with the Quillin fight becoming a non-title because 'Kid Chocolate' couldn't make the weight. He is a dangerous opponent and was a surprising first defence. If Andy wins there's no cause for a rematch for the title and if he loses he at least gets a second crack at it and likely will have time for a big fight at home regardless.
If Quillin wins the title becomes vacant I believe. Do we know if Lee gets an automatic shot at the title if he loses?
I don't think there's any automatic vacation. Certainly not how the story has been reported.
Fair enough, I thought that was the process based on a hazy memory of a previous fight. Though having done a bit more research i realise I'm talking bollocks! :)
Lee in big trouble here in the first round and down again in the third. Looking like a tough night for him.
Good comeback, Quillin knocked down in the 7th - decent fight!
Draw! To be fair to Lee he did well to get back into that fight, he looked gone after first round.
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Good comeback, Quillin knocked down in the 7th - decent fight!
Yeah he's some man to bounce back in fights, it's something he's done throughout his career. He's a really brave lad and a quality fighter, who's come out the right side of some compelling battles.. I also liked the fact that they showed each other respect during the build-up and the fight itself, rather than the usual old arch enemies routine.
Good fight. I was worried for Andy at the knockouts but he battled back well, Quillin is very dangerous. Very close fight and the draw was fair although if you had to pick a winner Quillin probably would have sneaked it for me based on the two knockdowns. However in saying that the 2nd knockout he was standing on Andy's foot.
A rematch is defo in order as neither would be sensible to go anywhere near Golovkin. Which isnt how it should be I might add.
Golovkin should be made the mandatory challenger for belts at middle weight if any where worth their salt. Although it won't happen, but at least WBC did the honourable thing, not that Cotto is gonna honour it, wonder what excuse he will come up with for vacating the belt?
On a side note anyone see the Petersen Garcia fight on afterwards? I though Petersen won easy but lost on MD
Oul Frank Warren will be rubbing his mits after that fight. Lee v Billy Joe Saunders will be made in the summer now. It'll be a stadium fight (20-30k capacity, maybe Upton Park) too as they both have huge traveller support.
Lee is as brave a fighter as you'll ever see and he has a bazooka of a right hand which will give him a fighting chance in any fight. His footwork and boxing at range was at as high a level as I've seen from him also.
GGG beats both Quillan and Andy on the same night but there is some class domestic match ups ahead potentially. Lee v BJS, Lee v Eubank, BJS v Eubank II. Throw Matthew Macklin, Spike O'Sullivan, Eamonn O'Kane into the mix too (although for me a level below Lee/BJS/Eubank now for varying reasons age/ability) and its very tasty division. Also could add Martin Murray but he's talking about moving up to Super-Middle.
Petersen beat Garcia for me, but I'm not too sad about him getting a bad decision as he robbed Khan a couple of years back with a shocker of a hometown decision and is a known PEDs cheat.
"the man in the hat"
Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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we wery very lucky to have grown up in this era of boxing. 30 years ago today. Hard to beat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9j-WNOjPLFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9j-WNOjPLFs)
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we wery very lucky to have grown up in this era of boxing. 30 years ago today. Hard to beat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9j-WNOjPLFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9j-WNOjPLFs)
There was more in that era of Middleweight boxing alone than in the entire history of other sports. Incredible stuff.
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Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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Just watched the itv Carl Froch documentary. Definitely one of my favourite boxers. Not sure how his final fight or 2 will pan out, but he was great to watch, always an action packed bruising battle. A real battler, unbelievably tough. Ducked no one.
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Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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I decided to read that article for the craic because I actually think that Mayweather would suit Kahn, Mayweather hates the fast hands and doesn't have the knockout power that puts the fear of God up Kahn.
However when I got to this line...."Amir has never shied away from a challenge"..... I just shook my head andsaid "ah dear poor aul Ricky"
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Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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I decided to read that article for the craic because I actually think that Mayweather would suit Kahn, Mayweather hates the fast hands and doesn't have the knockout power that puts the fear of God up Kahn.
However when I got to this line...."Amir has never shied away from a challenge"..... I just shook my head andsaid "ah dear poor aul Ricky"
Why would you disagree with that? Khan has spent the last while chasing a fight with Mayweather but I don't think you could accuse him of ducking anyone, not even Brook. Prescott and Garcia were two fights he didn't have to take and he did.
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Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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I decided to read that article for the craic because I actually think that Mayweather would suit Kahn, Mayweather hates the fast hands and doesn't have the knockout power that puts the fear of God up Kahn.
However when I got to this line...."Amir has never shied away from a challenge"..... I just shook my head andsaid "ah dear poor aul Ricky"
Why would you disagree with that? Khan has spent the last while chasing a fight with Mayweather but I don't think you could accuse him of ducking anyone, not even Brook. Prescott and Garcia were two fights he didn't have to take and he did.
Of course he has ducked certain fights, why did he never try and avenge any of his defeats? Why would he pick a man (just after being humiliated) instead of taking up the offer to have a huge fight in his home country for a world title? Why fight Algieri instead of Thurman or Broner who both wanted to fight him? Khan chasing Mayweather isn't proof of anything, Mayweather doesn't frighten the life out of opponents in the way that someone like GGG does?
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 14, 2015, 11:32:26 PM
Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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I decided to read that article for the craic because I actually think that Mayweather would suit Kahn, Mayweather hates the fast hands and doesn't have the knockout power that puts the fear of God up Kahn.
However when I got to this line...."Amir has never shied away from a challenge"..... I just shook my head andsaid "ah dear poor aul Ricky"
Why would you disagree with that? Khan has spent the last while chasing a fight with Mayweather but I don't think you could accuse him of ducking anyone, not even Brook. Prescott and Garcia were two fights he didn't have to take and he did.
Of course he has ducked certain fights, why did he never try and avenge any of his defeats? Why would he pick a man (just after being humiliated) instead of taking up the offer to have a huge fight in his home country for a world title? Why fight Algieri instead of Thurman or Broner who both wanted to fight him? Khan chasing Mayweather isn't proof of anything, Mayweather doesn't frighten the life out of opponents in the way that someone like GGG does?
Do you think Khan cares one iota about whether or not people get to see him fight who they think he should? He's a prizefighter and chases money. Nothing else. That means Mayweather.
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Ricky has taken to many blows to the head!
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I decided to read that article for the craic because I actually think that Mayweather would suit Kahn, Mayweather hates the fast hands and doesn't have the knockout power that puts the fear of God up Kahn.
However when I got to this line...."Amir has never shied away from a challenge"..... I just shook my head andsaid "ah dear poor aul Ricky"
Why would you disagree with that? Khan has spent the last while chasing a fight with Mayweather but I don't think you could accuse him of ducking anyone, not even Brook. Prescott and Garcia were two fights he didn't have to take and he did.
Of course he has ducked certain fights, why did he never try and avenge any of his defeats? Why would he pick a man (just after being humiliated) instead of taking up the offer to have a huge fight in his home country for a world title? Why fight Algieri instead of Thurman or Broner who both wanted to fight him? Khan chasing Mayweather isn't proof of anything, Mayweather doesn't frighten the life out of opponents in the way that someone like GGG does?
Do you think Khan cares one iota about whether or not people get to see him fight who they think he should? He's a prizefighter and chases money. Nothing else. That means Mayweather.
That's correct, hence why he has avoided the tougher fighters out there thus far in his career. His opponents are usually low risk ones and ultimately he sees the Mayweather fights as his big pay day and I imagine doesn't want to fight Brook now incase he loses and will then be completely out of the running to face Mayweather.
As I said, I disagree with that entirely. Prescott, Maidana, Peterson (in DC, Peterson's hometown) and Garcia were all fights he could have ducked for one reason or another and dissent. Khan is a seriously tough bugger, often to his own detriment.
Brook's record doesn't have half the names on it that Khan's does. Unless there's an enormous payday in it for Khan (a la Froch-Grobes at Wembley), then I can understand why he doesn't have that much interest in the fight.
Khan should have fought Brook right now but I get the feeling he doesn't want to give Eddie Hearn the payday and have him dictate to him. Quite similar to Frampton. Plus if he loses it leaves him with nowhere to go. Broner fight couldn't be made as Broner wouldn't fight above 143, even though he mouthed off that it would be at 147. Khan would school Broner at 147. Bradley I can't see Khan ducking either as stylistically its a good fight for him, I think the biggest hindrance on his career is his religious beliefs which cause him to fast over the Ramadan period in late summer every year. Means he can't fight after May/early June to November as he has to replenish his body of the weight/strength he loses during the fasting period.
Brook v Gavin is a poor fight. Hearn is talking like Brandon Rios in the summer is a mega fight, he's won a world title at 135. Algieri is a disappointing fight also but at least he's won a title at 140, one weight class below the fighting weight.
This summer Eddie Hearn promised Khan v Brook, Frampton v Quigg and Groves v DeGale, we're getting none of them. Will anyone buy the PPV card at the 02 which Brook and Gavin are headlining? It's a good card but never a PPV. I'll not be buying. It sets a dangerous precedent for what is construed as PPV if Bellew v Cleverly and now this card are deemed PPV.
I'll be buying May 2nd though, can't wait!
Matthyse v Provodnikov this weekend should be a great fight. Matthyse should win but if he get's dragged into a complete tear up I wouldn't bet against Provodnikov who would remind you of an Eastern European Rocky with his face first fighting style.
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As I said, I disagree with that entirely. Prescott, Maidana, Peterson (in DC, Peterson's hometown) and Garcia were all fights he could have ducked for one reason or another and dissent. Khan is a seriously tough bugger, often to his own stringent.
Brook's record doesn't have half the names on it that Khan's does. Unless there's an enormous payday in it for Khan (a la Froch-Grobes at Wembley), then I can understand why he doesn't have that much interest in the fight.
There would be a pretty big pay day in a fight with Brook plus a world title. Peterson and Garcia didn't carry fearsome reputations before fighting Khan, both haven't a high knock out percentage and he was seen as the favourite for both fights. Prescott was seen as a 'B' level fighter with a KO record stacked up with victories over pretty average journeymen boxers prior to fighting Khan.
Quote from: TF15 on April 17, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
Khan should have fought Brook right now but I get the feeling he doesn't want to give Eddie Hearn the payday and have him dictate to him. Quite similar to Frampton. Plus if he loses it leaves him with nowhere to go. Broner fight couldn't be made as Broner wouldn't fight above 143, even though he mouthed off that it would be at 147. Khan would school Broner at 147. Bradley I can't see Khan ducking either as stylistically its a good fight for him, I think the biggest hindrance on his career is his religious beliefs which cause him to fast over the Ramadan period in late summer every year. Means he can't fight after May/early June to November as he has to replenish his body of the weight/strength he loses during the fasting period.
Brook v Gavin is a poor fight. Hearn is talking like Brandon Rios in the summer is a mega fight, he's won a world title at 135. Algieri is a disappointing fight also but at least he's won a title at 140, one weight class below the fighting weight.
This summer Eddie Hearn promised Khan v Brook, Frampton v Quigg and Groves v DeGale, we're getting none of them. Will anyone buy the PPV card at the 02 which Brook and Gavin are headlining? It's a good card but never a PPV. I'll not be buying. It sets a dangerous precedent for what is construed as PPV if Bellew v Cleverly and now this card are deemed PPV.
I'll be buying May 2nd though, can't wait!
Matthyse v Provodnikov this weekend should be a great fight. Matthyse should win but if he get's dragged into a complete tear up I wouldn't bet against Provodnikov who would remind you of an Eastern European Rocky with his face first fighting style.
The Bellew Cleverly fight set a new low with regard to the threshold for a PPV fight, and as you say the Gavin Brook one should not be anywhere near that either. I am definitely buying the May 2nd fight, not taking the risk on stop starting buffering issues with Modbro or the like.
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As I said, I disagree with that entirely. Prescott, Maidana, Peterson (in DC, Peterson's hometown) and Garcia were all fights he could have ducked for one reason or another and dissent. Khan is a seriously tough bugger, often to his own stringent.
Brook's record doesn't have half the names on it that Khan's does. Unless there's an enormous payday in it for Khan (a la Froch-Grobes at Wembley), then I can understand why he doesn't have that much interest in the fight.
There would be a pretty big pay day in a fight with Brook plus a world title. Peterson and Garcia didn't carry fearsome reputations before fighting Khan, both haven't a high knock out percentage and he was seen as the favourite for both fights. Prescott was seen as a 'B' level fighter with a KO record stacked up with victories over pretty average journeymen boxers prior to fighting Khan.
Prescott was seen as an absolute knockout artist, dangerous for anyone who he caught. There was very little upside in that fight at that stage of his career for Khan but he took it anyway. Garcia carried plenty of reputation as a relatively crude puncher and Khan was utterly schooling him until he got caught. Then he got the rush of blood he always does and stood there trading punches with a guy renowned for his power, just like against Maidana except this was in the 4th rather than 12th round. Garcia has subsequently gone on to show himself as a more than capable fighter. Peterson fight (where he was drugged up and Khan was robbed anyway) was not seen as particularly dangerous, but Khan went to his hometown to take him on and ended up paying for it.
At best, currently Khan-Brook could sell out the o2 and there'll be a few million in it for either of them. Froch got 8m as far as I recall for the rematch with Groves and Khan-Brook would be nowhere near that level. For whatever reason, Khan sees himself as someone worthy of eight figure pay days. In that respect, fighting in the States and biding his time until Mayweather or Pacquiao give him a shot is perhaps understandable. Khan might be better off fighting the likes of Brook but the suggestion that he's ducking him is ridiculous in my opinion. As for the world title, at welter, belts are pretty meaningless. Floyd is champ and that's the end of it.
His best options in my book (he doesn't deserve Mayweather or Pac) would be a Garcia rematch or Thurman. I think Khan schools Broner all day long.
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As I said, I disagree with that entirely. Prescott, Maidana, Peterson (in DC, Peterson's hometown) and Garcia were all fights he could have ducked for one reason or another and dissent. Khan is a seriously tough bugger, often to his own stringent.
Brook's record doesn't have half the names on it that Khan's does. Unless there's an enormous payday in it for Khan (a la Froch-Grobes at Wembley), then I can understand why he doesn't have that much interest in the fight.
There would be a pretty big pay day in a fight with Brook plus a world title. Peterson and Garcia didn't carry fearsome reputations before fighting Khan, both haven't a high knock out percentage and he was seen as the favourite for both fights. Prescott was seen as a 'B' level fighter with a KO record stacked up with victories over pretty average journeymen boxers prior to fighting Khan.
Prescott was seen as an absolute knockout artist, dangerous for anyone who he caught. There was very little upside in that fight at that stage of his career for Khan but he took it anyway. Garcia carried plenty of reputation as a relatively crude puncher and Khan was utterly schooling him until he got caught. Then he got the rush of blood he always does and stood there trading punches with a guy renowned for his power, just like against Maidana except this was in the 4th rather than 12th round. Garcia has subsequently gone on to show himself as a more than capable fighter. Peterson fight (where he was drugged up and Khan was robbed anyway) was not seen as particularly dangerous, but Khan went to his hometown to take him on and ended up paying for it.
At best, currently Khan-Brook could sell out the o2 and there'll be a few million in it for either of them. Froch got 8m as far as I recall for the rematch with Groves and Khan-Brook would be nowhere near that level. For whatever reason, Khan sees himself as someone worthy of eight figure pay days. In that respect, fighting in the States and biding his time until Mayweather or Pacquiao give him a shot is perhaps understandable. Khan might be better off fighting the likes of Brook but the suggestion that he's ducking him is ridiculous in my opinion. As for the world title, at welter, belts are pretty meaningless. Floyd is champ and that's the end of it.
His best options in my book (he doesn't deserve Mayweather or Pac) would be a Garcia rematch or Thurman. I think Khan schools Broner all day long.
I think nrico covered the point well enuff without me going over it again.
Broner would be a good fight for Kahn to take similar style to Mayweather and and all that and if he beat him he would be in an even better position to call him out.
I also completely agree that he sees himself as a $10m fighter just by cringely appearing ringside at all those big fights, but he doesn't back it up inside the ring. The Maidana fight was a great example of his limitations won the fight with great skill but all anyone remembers about it is Kahn getting beat around the ring in r10, one of the worse beatings i seen without a knockdown.
Great skill and great hands but glass jaw
Spike Sullivan called out GGG FFS it doesnt mean didley.
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As I said, I disagree with that entirely. Prescott, Maidana, Peterson (in DC, Peterson's hometown) and Garcia were all fights he could have ducked for one reason or another and dissent. Khan is a seriously tough bugger, often to his own stringent.
Brook's record doesn't have half the names on it that Khan's does. Unless there's an enormous payday in it for Khan (a la Froch-Grobes at Wembley), then I can understand why he doesn't have that much interest in the fight.
There would be a pretty big pay day in a fight with Brook plus a world title. Peterson and Garcia didn't carry fearsome reputations before fighting Khan, both haven't a high knock out percentage and he was seen as the favourite for both fights. Prescott was seen as a 'B' level fighter with a KO record stacked up with victories over pretty average journeymen boxers prior to fighting Khan.
Prescott was seen as an absolute knockout artist, dangerous for anyone who he caught. There was very little upside in that fight at that stage of his career for Khan but he took it anyway. Garcia carried plenty of reputation as a relatively crude puncher and Khan was utterly schooling him until he got caught. Then he got the rush of blood he always does and stood there trading punches with a guy renowned for his power, just like against Maidana except this was in the 4th rather than 12th round. Garcia has subsequently gone on to show himself as a more than capable fighter. Peterson fight (where he was drugged up and Khan was robbed anyway) was not seen as particularly dangerous, but Khan went to his hometown to take him on and ended up paying for it.
At best, currently Khan-Brook could sell out the o2 and there'll be a few million in it for either of them. Froch got 8m as far as I recall for the rematch with Groves and Khan-Brook would be nowhere near that level. For whatever reason, Khan sees himself as someone worthy of eight figure pay days. In that respect, fighting in the States and biding his time until Mayweather or Pacquiao give him a shot is perhaps understandable. Khan might be better off fighting the likes of Brook but the suggestion that he's ducking him is ridiculous in my opinion. As for the world title, at welter, belts are pretty meaningless. Floyd is champ and that's the end of it.
His best options in my book (he doesn't deserve Mayweather or Pac) would be a Garcia rematch or Thurman. I think Khan schools Broner all day long.
I think nrico covered the point well enuff without me going over it again.
Broner would be a good fight for Kahn to take similar style to Mayweather and and all that and if he beat him he would be in an even better position to call him out.
I also completely agree that he sees himself as a $10m fighter just by cringely appearing ringside at all those big fights, but he doesn't back it up inside the ring. The Maidana fight was a great example of his limitations won the fight with great skill but all anyone remembers about it is Kahn getting beat around the ring in r10, one of the worse beatings i seen without a knockdown.
Great skill and great hands but glass jaw
Spike Sullivan called out GGG FFS it doesnt mean didley.
What's the story with this guy? Was given the opportunity to fight Eubank Jr after calling him out for over a year then pulls out saying he wasn't getting enough money.
On Khan, rightly or wrongly, he sees himself as the man next in line to face Mayweather or Pacman. A loss to Brook will completely scupper that. Is it worth the risk, given the fact that the Brook fight will always be there even if he loses a fight in the states? Im no fan of Khan but to say he has a glass jaw after commenting that he took the biggest beating round a ring you'd ever seen, without going down, seems a bit of a contradiction to me.
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As I said, I disagree with that entirely. Prescott, Maidana, Peterson (in DC, Peterson's hometown) and Garcia were all fights he could have ducked for one reason or another and dissent. Khan is a seriously tough bugger, often to his own stringent.
Brook's record doesn't have half the names on it that Khan's does. Unless there's an enormous payday in it for Khan (a la Froch-Grobes at Wembley), then I can understand why he doesn't have that much interest in the fight.
There would be a pretty big pay day in a fight with Brook plus a world title. Peterson and Garcia didn't carry fearsome reputations before fighting Khan, both haven't a high knock out percentage and he was seen as the favourite for both fights. Prescott was seen as a 'B' level fighter with a KO record stacked up with victories over pretty average journeymen boxers prior to fighting Khan.
Prescott was seen as an absolute knockout artist, dangerous for anyone who he caught. There was very little upside in that fight at that stage of his career for Khan but he took it anyway. Garcia carried plenty of reputation as a relatively crude puncher and Khan was utterly schooling him until he got caught. Then he got the rush of blood he always does and stood there trading punches with a guy renowned for his power, just like against Maidana except this was in the 4th rather than 12th round. Garcia has subsequently gone on to show himself as a more than capable fighter. Peterson fight (where he was drugged up and Khan was robbed anyway) was not seen as particularly dangerous, but Khan went to his hometown to take him on and ended up paying for it.
At best, currently Khan-Brook could sell out the o2 and there'll be a few million in it for either of them. Froch got 8m as far as I recall for the rematch with Groves and Khan-Brook would be nowhere near that level. For whatever reason, Khan sees himself as someone worthy of eight figure pay days. In that respect, fighting in the States and biding his time until Mayweather or Pacquiao give him a shot is perhaps understandable. Khan might be better off fighting the likes of Brook but the suggestion that he's ducking him is ridiculous in my opinion. As for the world title, at welter, belts are pretty meaningless. Floyd is champ and that's the end of it.
His best options in my book (he doesn't deserve Mayweather or Pac) would be a Garcia rematch or Thurman. I think Khan schools Broner all day long.
I think nrico covered the point well enuff without me going over it again.
Broner would be a good fight for Kahn to take similar style to Mayweather and and all that and if he beat him he would be in an even better position to call him out.
I also completely agree that he sees himself as a $10m fighter just by cringely appearing ringside at all those big fights, but he doesn't back it up inside the ring. The Maidana fight was a great example of his limitations won the fight with great skill but all anyone remembers about it is Kahn getting beat around the ring in r10, one of the worse beatings i seen without a knockdown.
Great skill and great hands but glass jaw
Spike Sullivan called out GGG FFS it doesnt mean didley.
What's the story with this guy? Was given the opportunity to fight Eubank Jr after calling him out for over a year then pulls out saying he wasn't getting enough money.
On Khan, rightly or wrongly, he sees 8*himself as the man next in line to face Mayweather or Pacman. A loss to Brook will completely scupper that. Is it worth the risk, given the fact that the Brook fight will always be there even if he loses a fight in the states? Im no fan of Khan but to say he has a glass jaw after commenting that he took the biggest beating round a ring you'd ever seen, without going down, seems a bit of a contradiction to me.
Dunno much bout ole Spike TBF
Yeah it does seem to be a bit of a contradiction but it all started with one punch that left him out on his feet, how he didn't go down I'll never know. Not sure if it was Kahn heart (which he has lots of BTW) or Maidana following it up with obvious hay makers and not thinking thru how to finish it.
Anyone know where the Mayweather and Pacquiao pre fight shows can be streamed online? Thanks
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Anyone know where the Mayweather and Pacquiao pre fight shows can be streamed online? Thanks
Are they not available on Youtube?
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Quote from: JoG2 on April 23, 2015, 08:39:40 PM
Anyone know where the Mayweather and Pacquiao pre fight shows can be streamed online? Thanks
Are they not available on Youtube?
yessir...watched the 'At Last' one last night, the HBO one. Would love to see Pacquiao take 'Money' down a peg or two
Many people going to get this in PPV?
What do you think the outcome will be?
does anyone know whether you can stream this legally online if you are not a sky customer (in the north) - illegal streams are not exactly dependable.
Like to see Manny win,not sure if he can though, think hell need a knockout in the 1st 6 rounds if he is to do it and hard to see that happening, the longer it goes the more Mayweather will pick him off. I expect either a late ko for Mayweather or him to win on points most likely.
Some of you lads that'd have better memories than me, was Freddie Roche over De LA hoya when they fought 7 or 8 years back? That was a hell of a fight and if Roche can work out another plan you never know...?
Quote from: lfdown2 on April 28, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
does anyone know whether you can stream this legally online if you are not a sky customer (in the north) - illegal streams are not exactly dependable.
I presume if you buy it on box office you could stream it on skyplayer. Im in Dublin for the weekend, anyone know where it'll be shown? Pal of mine told me there's a place regularly stays open for late sports but the name escapes me?
Quote from: beer baron on April 28, 2015, 10:13:19 AM
Like to see Manny win,not sure if he can though, think hell need a knockout in the 1st 6 rounds if he is to do it and hard to see that happening, the longer it goes the more Mayweather will pick him off. I expect either a late ko for Mayweather or him to win on points most likely.
Some of you lads that'd have better memories than me, was Freddie Roche over De LA hoya when they fought 7 or 8 years back? That was a hell of a fight and if Roche can work out another plan you never know...?
Yup, he brought him in after the palaver over the fact that Floyd Sr. had previously been his trainer.
Quote from: beer baron on April 28, 2015, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on April 28, 2015, 10:09:02 AM
does anyone know whether you can stream this legally online if you are not a sky customer (in the north) - illegal streams are not exactly dependable.
I presume if you buy it on box office you could stream it on skyplayer. Im in Dublin for the weekend, anyone know where it'll be shown? Pal of mine told me there's a place regularly stays open for late sports but the name escapes me?
The Woolshed perhaps?
I am going to pay for it. Don't think that it going 12 will hinder Pacquaio, his endurance is never an issue. I still reckon De LaHoya at least drew that fight with Mayweather and in Pacquaio Roach has a better fighter to carry out a gameplan. Maidana is nowhere near Pacquaio's level yet he wasn't too far away from Mayweather in a lot of the rounds in their two fights, hopefully Pacquaio's huge workrate, southpaw stance and speed can inflict more damage on Mayweather than Maidana did. If Mayweathers legs are going, this could be the fight that shows it, he is 38 after all.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 28, 2015, 10:43:20 AM
I am going to pay for it. Don't think that it going 12 will hinder Pacquaio, his endurance is never an issue. I still reckon De LaHoya at least drew that fight with Mayweather and in Pacquaio Roach has a better fighter to carry out a gameplan. Maidana is nowhere near Pacquaio's level yet he wasn't too far away from Mayweather in a lot of the rounds in their two fights, hopefully Pacquaio's huge workrate, southpaw stance and speed can inflict more damage on Mayweather than Maidana did. If Mayweathers legs are going, this could be the fight that shows it, he is 38 after all.
Id agree there nrico. Would have given a draw in the De La Hoya fight and a draw at least in the first Maidana fight. Many boxing fans Ive spoken to since reckon Maidana won the 1st bout. Read an interview with De La Hoya last week and he isnt happy with the choice of referee. Reckons the ref will not let Paquiao work in close, will break the fight continuously, much like Cortez did when Hatton fought Mayweather. To that end it could be a seriously frustrating fight with many shouting "ah ffs ref, let them get on with it!" If the ref doesn't let Pacquiao work in close, then there can only be one winner, Mayweather. Hopefully I'm wrong
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
Hope the pac man knocks seven shades of shite out of Mayweather
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/27/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao?CMP=share_btn_fb (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/27/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao?CMP=share_btn_fb)
Draw anyone?
Both walk away with millions and their records intact ;)
I wouldn't rule out the draw but my head says Mayweather win and heart wants Pacman to win. It's nearly the good v bad scenario.
Will be interesting to see if Mayweather has slowed down any (doesn't look like it) and with Pacman's footwork he might be able to get inside much more than any previous fighter. Mosley has fought both and said that Pacman punches are harder, I can definitely see him hurting Mayweather but still fancy him to win a decision.
Quote from: NAG1 on April 28, 2015, 01:06:03 PM
Draw anyone?
Both walk away with millions and their records intact ;)
18/1 !
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
And there was no question marks over the bouts that Pac won?
Quote from: ludermor on April 28, 2015, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
And there was no question marks over the bouts that Pac won?
Also, apart from the De La Hoya decision, there were also major disputes over Mayweathers first win over Castillo.
Quote from: ludermor on April 28, 2015, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
And there was no question marks over the bouts that Pac won?
it's boxing, there's question marks over many fights. My point is, if someone is asking us to put the house on Mayweather, he'd wanna have more evidence than Paquiao's 4th fight with Marquez. Wonder how much Johnnybegood has on the fight?
Bit rubbish there isn't a HBO 24/7 as the contract was signed too close to the fight date
The De La Hoya fight is remembered shockingly because of the split decision. If you watch it back again, you'd give it to Floyd 99 times out of 100. This was backed up by the statistics.
Same for Maidana. He fairly comfortably won the first fight and somehow it wasn't unanimous and then won even more comprehensively in the second one.
Yeah I agree, he definitely won the De La Hoya fight in my books. He is rightly favourite for this fight and I can only really remember Mayweather in trouble once in his whole career when i thought he was in trouble, against Mosley
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
he gave PAC a torrid time with his countering style is the point
Mayweather is naturally much bigger and stronger
PAC has lost twice badly in the last few years
Had it been five years ago I'd have called it closer but due to mayweathers lack of being put through the mill in comparison to PAC he is a younger man at 38 than PAC at 37 in boxing terms
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
he gave PAC a torrid time with his countering style is the point
Mayweather is naturally much bigger and stronger
PAC has lost twice badly in the last few years
Had it been five years ago I'd have called it closer but due to mayweathers lack of being put through the mill in comparison to PAC he is a younger man at 38 than PAC at 37 in boxing terms
He has only really lost once in the past few years, the Bradley fight was a shocking decision.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 28, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on April 28, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Put all your money clothes and even your Mott on mayweather
Bigger stronger and a much better defensive and counter puncher than Marquez who gave PAC man a torrid time
eh? Marquez won 1 out of their 4 bouts, the 1 he did he was behind in the scorecards up until the knock out. You may be right, but I'd hold onto your cash if that's your basis to put the kitchen sink on Mayweather
he gave PAC a torrid time with his countering style is the point
Mayweather is naturally much bigger and stronger
PAC has lost twice badly in the last few years
Had it been five years ago I'd have called it closer but due to mayweathers lack of being put through the mill in comparison to PAC he is a younger man at 38 than PAC at 37 in boxing terms
He has only really lost once in the past few years, the Bradley fight was a shocking decision.
true enough but it could be argued that he lost 3 out of the 4 against Marquez.
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2015, 02:21:45 PM
The De La Hoya fight is remembered shockingly because of the split decision. If you watch it back again, you'd give it to Floyd 99 times out of 100. This was backed up by the statistics.
Same for Maidana. He fairly comfortably won the first fight and somehow it wasn't unanimous and then won even more comprehensively in the second one.
Agree about De La Hoya fight he won it easily but the first Maidana fight he lost IMO. Second fight tho he won fair enough
sitting in the airport here about to set sail for Vegas. Always said if the fight was made I would make the trip out no matter what but i wasn't far off giving it a miss at one stage. Getting to the actual fight was always going to be a pipe dream with 1,000 tickets going on public sale. But when I thought at one stage I wouldn't get to see the fight at all out there i came close to not going.
The MGM have barred any other hotel from broadcasting the fight, there are 7 MGM hotels in Vegas (MGM & Mandalay amongst others) so between them they had 50,000 closed circuit (effectively glorified cinema) tickets on sale. Only MGM guests could get tickets to the MGM closed circuit and they could only be purchased through a phone call to their box office. So after being on hold for over two hours after the closed circuit tickets went on sale I had a bit of luck (well I don't know if you can count a call that cost £150 as lucky) and got through and got tickets. These cinema tickets with free booze and grub set me back £220 a turn. I thankfully have weigh in tickets sorted as well.
While I will be living on beans and toast when I return to sunny Belfast for at least 6 months, I can't wait to be out there.
While I would love to see Pacquiao win it, I think the only outcome can be a fairly comfortable decision for Mayweather who will go on and win his 49th fight to complete his showtime contract and then fake a retirement. The money he would earn for a 50th fight that would give him the potential to eclipse Marciano's 49-0 record would be too good to say no to.
Anyone making their way to Eamon O'Kanes fight in Lavey this weekend ? I hope it goes well.
On a sadder note, condolences to the McCullaghs a well known boxing family in Derry City today as they lay to rest Dean, brother of Tyrone (who after a very successful amateur career has recently turned pro). Dean was a big gentleman who loved his boxing and will be sadly missed by anyone who ever came into contact with him.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 29, 2015, 09:47:16 AM
sitting in the airport here about to set sail for Vegas. Always said if the fight was made I would make the trip out no matter what but i wasn't far off giving it a miss at one stage. Getting to the actual fight was always going to be a pipe dream with 1,000 tickets going on public sale. But when I thought at one stage I wouldn't get to see the fight at all out there i came close to not going.
The MGM have barred any other hotel from broadcasting the fight, there are 7 MGM hotels in Vegas (MGM & Mandalay amongst others) so between them they had 50,000 closed circuit (effectively glorified cinema) tickets on sale. Only MGM guests could get tickets to the MGM closed circuit and they could only be purchased through a phone call to their box office. So after being on hold for over two hours after the closed circuit tickets went on sale I had a bit of luck (well I don't know if you can count a call that cost £150 as lucky) and got through and got tickets. These cinema tickets with free booze and grub set me back £220 a turn. I thankfully have weigh in tickets sorted as well.
While I will be living on beans and toast when I return to sunny Belfast for at least 6 months, I can't wait to be out there.
While I would love to see Pacquiao win it, I think the only outcome can be a fairly comfortable decision for Mayweather who will go on and win his 49th fight to complete his showtime contract and then fake a retirement. The money he would earn for a 50th fight that would give him the potential to eclipse Marciano's 49-0 record would be too good to say no to.
Anyone making their way to Eamon O'Kanes fight in Lavey this weekend ? I hope it goes well.
On a sadder note, condolences to the McCullaghs a well known boxing family in Derry City today as they lay to rest Dean, brother of Tyrone (who after a very successful amateur career has recently turned pro). Dean was a big gentleman who loved his boxing and will be sadly missed by anyone who ever came into contact with him.
ive just turned green after reading this. I with ten other lads went over for the PAC v Cotto fight a few years back, half went to the fight the other half paid the 50 bucks to the screen viewing. The hall is massive with 8k in attendance and the screens are huge and i mean huge. The general consensus between us was that the screen viewing was every bit as good as the fight arena. The bots in the arena where way back in the arena.
Atmosphere was electric, I can only imagine what it will be like his weekend!
And the talent, my Jaysus the talent. I've never seen so many stunners in the one place. And I mean stunners!
What time will this fight start ? Our time that is.
Happy days atticus and indeed rip to Dean. He was a character !
Enjoy Atticus.
God is going to be the big winner this weekend going by thon press conference.
I dearly want to see Pacquiao win but i cant see it happening either.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 28, 2015, 02:23:48 PM
Yeah I agree, he definitely won the De La Hoya fight in my books. He is rightly favourite for this fight and I can only really remember Mayweather in trouble once in his whole career when i thought he was in trouble, against Mosley
Yep, I can't believe there is any debate about the DLH fight. Clear as day.
He was in trouble against Mosley for about 5 seconds from what I remember in the 2nd round I think. Apart from that it was a cake walk!
Think the Castillo one was the closest one to be honest but still thought he nicked it.
Mayweather has had 47 fights, a lot of which have been against some of the best boxers of his era, so of course he will have some troubling moments in these fights. There isn't a boxer alive who hasn't been in trouble at some point. It's the sign of a true great that he always finds a way to win and I think he will do so again against Pacquiao. Having said that, I'd love to see Pacquiao do it, though I suspect after a few good early rounds Mayweather will catch up with him and win relatively comfortably.
I see Pacman winning first 3-5 rounds, throwing a lot of combinations and much more punches than Mayweather who will be counter punching and feeling Pacquiao's power out. Then expect Mayweather to dominate the latter rounds and win a unaminous decision on points, and still...
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 29, 2015, 09:47:16 AM
sitting in the airport here about to set sail for Vegas. Always said if the fight was made I would make the trip out no matter what but i wasn't far off giving it a miss at one stage. Getting to the actual fight was always going to be a pipe dream with 1,000 tickets going on public sale. But when I thought at one stage I wouldn't get to see the fight at all out there i came close to not going.
The MGM have barred any other hotel from broadcasting the fight, there are 7 MGM hotels in Vegas (MGM & Mandalay amongst others) so between them they had 50,000 closed circuit (effectively glorified cinema) tickets on sale. Only MGM guests could get tickets to the MGM closed circuit and they could only be purchased through a phone call to their box office. So after being on hold for over two hours after the closed circuit tickets went on sale I had a bit of luck (well I don't know if you can count a call that cost £150 as lucky) and got through and got tickets. These cinema tickets with free booze and grub set me back £220 a turn. I thankfully have weigh in tickets sorted as well.
While I will be living on beans and toast when I return to sunny Belfast for at least 6 months, I can't wait to be out there.
While I would love to see Pacquiao win it, I think the only outcome can be a fairly comfortable decision for Mayweather who will go on and win his 49th fight to complete his showtime contract and then fake a retirement. The money he would earn for a 50th fight that would give him the potential to eclipse Marciano's 49-0 record would be too good to say no to.
Anyone making their way to Eamon O'Kanes fight in Lavey this weekend ? I hope it goes well.
On a sadder note, condolences to the McCullaghs a well known boxing family in Derry City today as they lay to rest Dean, brother of Tyrone (who after a very successful amateur career has recently turned pro). Dean was a big gentleman who loved his boxing and will be sadly missed by anyone who ever came into contact with him.
That sounds like it'll be a serious weekend atticus
Quote from: NAG1 on April 28, 2015, 01:06:03 PM
Draw anyone?
Both walk away with millions and their records intact ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx4U41NVs-Q
I think this fight will not live up to the hype at all! Mayweather ducked many a good fighter for years until he reckoned they were over the hill, same here, too many wars has all but halted Pacquiao. even though 2 years older Mayweather hasn't been in the wars and has weared better with age. Had this fight been 5 yrs ago it been a classic but Mayweather wouldn't take a fight unless he was sure he could protect his record.
Its easy to look at Rocky Marciano record but who he fight, a 37yr old Louis, E Charles a light heavy weight and Walcott who was an old man, records should be based on who you fight. Compare mayweather to Sugar Ray Robinson who lost once in 141 fights, who went on to win the middle title 5 times when he was over the hill. Mayweather compared himself to this man earlier in the week, he couldn't tie Walker Smith Jr boots.
How would either shape against Hagler,a true middleweight, Leonard, Hearns or Duran (greatest ever lightweight), i seriously doubt he beat any of these men. The last great middleweight was Roy Jones Jr, could anybody see Mayweather move up a weight and try to fight him. The reality is Pacquiao is a feather weight who moved up the levels and is fighting at stone and a half his proper fighting weight, would he have gone undefeated if he stayed at featherweight?
Mayweather wouldn't jump up to middleweight to meet a real challenge, at least Pacquiao took a chance and jumped the weights,neither man would beat any of the fighers i mentioned above
What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?
Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?
Hearns, Leonard and Duran all fought at welterweight, which is the weight below light middle, all would beat either man here. The jump from light middle to middle is not that great.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 30, 2015, 09:14:53 PM
Hearns, Leonard and Duran all fought at welterweight, which is the weight below light middle, all would beat either man here. The jump from light middle to middle is not that great.
Sugar Ray and Hearns began their careers at welter and grew into bigger weights. Duran began at lightweight and his middleweight win was a fantastic achievement. Hagler was a career middleweight.
In contrast, Pacquiao began at flyweight and at the end of his career isn't really a welter and Mayweather began at super feather. Mayweather is champ at light middle but he's clearly a welter, again at the end of his career. The jump for them to middleweight would be absolutely enormous (and completely irrelevant) and to hold that against them is utterly ludicrous.
Quote from: gallsman on April 30, 2015, 07:16:53 PM
What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?
Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?
The most obvious one would that he ducked completely would be Koysta Tyzu.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2015, 04:12:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 30, 2015, 07:16:53 PM
What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?
Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?
The most obvious one would that he ducked completely would be Koysta Tyzu.
I disagree. There was a very small window for a Tsyzu fight that Hatton shut closed. Don't think you can blame Mayweather here.
Quote from: gallsman on May 01, 2015, 04:25:08 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 01, 2015, 04:12:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 30, 2015, 07:16:53 PM
What is the point of comparing them to Hagler, who as you point out was a fully fledged middleweight? Or joined who spent majority of his career at light heavy? Neither of them have fought at middleweight in their life. That's why the lb for lb concept exists. Why not just ask got they'd have fared against Ali?
Who has Mayweather ducked (with the possible exception of Manny) until they were over the hill?
The most obvious one would that he ducked completely would be Koysta Tyzu.
I disagree. There was a very small window for a Tsyzu fight that Hatton shut closed. Don't think you can blame Mayweather here.
Well we are all painfully aware of the length of windows that he needs to "make fights"
Great piece by Dan Roan on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/32536128
Is Pacquaio an 8 division champion or 6 division champion?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:44:19 AM
Is Pacquaio an 8 division champion or 6 division champion?
8 time world champion at 6 divisions (i think)
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
The Ring - a lot. Check out their explanation of ratings, champion recognition etc. Gives things a lot of credence and it's the "Bible of boxing" after all.
IBO - not at all.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)
Paquiao has won major world titles from flyweight (112lbs) right up to light-middleweight (154lbs)...unbelievable achievement
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)
There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)
There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.
yes, but the 8 is a total (at different weights)
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)
There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.
yes, but the 8 is a total (at different weights)
Ah, you are referring to the 8 times Pacquiao has won a World title they have been one of the 4 major belts, not minor titles, is that right?
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)
There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.
yes, but the 8 is a total (at different weights)
Ah, you are referring to the 8 times Pacquiao has won a World title they have been one of the 4 major belts, not minor titles, is that right?
That's the one Oakleaf. Be nice to see him win another :-)
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 11:53:29 AM
I suppose I was just wondering how prestigious the Ring and the IBO titles are?
ring (minor title) or IBO titles dont make up the 8 major world titles though (wiki)
There's only 4 major World titles.
The Ring is not one of these but is significant as it is awarded to the consensus best boxer in the division.
yes, but the 8 is a total (at different weights)
Ah, you are referring to the 8 times Pacquiao has won a World title they have been one of the 4 major belts, not minor titles, is that right?
That's the one Oakleaf. Be nice to see him win another :-)
It would indeed
none of the organizations are really reputable , which is why the Ring stepped in
usinfg the following Criteria (when most of the organizations pretend to follow)
- Defeat the reigning champion
Win a bout between The Ring's No. 1 and 2 contenders
If the number 1 and 2 contenders chose not to fight each other, if either of them fights the No. 3, 4 or 5 contender, the winner may be awarded The Ring title belt if the Editorial Board deems the contenders worthy
when one of the piss off the star in a weight division he then fight for a different title and then that is the most prestigous belt in that division,
the best boxers are spread out over several different 'Belt companies and all have the best boxer in one divison of other
For instance
you really have to make a weight by weight call as to which is the most Reputable
Does anyone want Mayweather to win this fight at all?
I don't either Pacquiao seems a more likeable and humble character whereas Mayweather is an ill mannered yet talented mouthpiece. Can't wait to see the fight though. It would be great to get a read on what time they'll be out at but I doubt I'll have to get up at 4 just to be sure I see it.
I want to see the half hour leading up to it, not sure whether to stay up or just get up for it. Have to be up at 7 on Sunday as it is, but not good at getting up and thinking it would be safer to just stay up. Hard to know what time a fight is at too though, I remember thinking that Mayweather Alvarez was to be at 4ish and before I know it I was still on the sofa at half 6.
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Does anyone want Mayweather to win this fight at all?
I don't either Pacquiao seems a more likeable and humble character whereas Mayweather is an ill mannered yet talented mouthpiece. Can't wait to see the fight though. It would be great to get a read on what time they'll be out at but I doubt I'll have to get up at 4 just to be sure I see it.
Me! Pacquiao annoys me with his nice guy act when he is anything but! Any number of scandals about him until he was 'saved'! Mayweather is a p***k but at least he doesn't pretend he is anything else. Both fantastic boxers and I just hope it lives up to the hype. Mayweather hasn't been trash talking as much this fight, maybe he is more worried or just more focused.
I'm the same nrico, I might just set the alarm and get up around 4.30 or whenever it is on and then just stay up. I have to be leaving the house for 7am to go and cycle 120mile! It's going to be a long day!
Apparently Manny is faster and throwing harder punches than he ever has....................................Yawn, Mayweather to knock him out , I hope Pac man can do it but he is tiny compared to the woman beater!
Floyd Mayweather Jr conveniently forgets his criminal past when he accuses others of illegal activities. But Floyd doesn't have to look any further than his own family and his own past to see someone doing illegal activities. When Floyd accused Pacquiao of taking illegal substances, it got me thinking about how his past is littered with criminal actions.
In 2002, Floyd Mayweather Jr pleaded guilty to 2 charges of misdemeanor domestic violence.
In 2004, Mayweather received a 1 year suspended jail sentence, was ordered to seek counseling for "impulse control", and fined a $1000 after being convicted for misdemeanor battery of 2 women in a Las Vegas nightclub.
In 2004, a warrant for his arrest was issued in Grand Rapids, Michigan for failure to appear at a trial. He was accused of kicking a bouncer in the head at a bar. Mayweather pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault and battery. He was fined and ordered to perform community service.
In 2005, Floyd was found innocent in a trial for assaulting his girlfriend outside a Las Vegas club in 2003. The girlfriend, also the mother of his children, changed her story on the stand.
In 2009, Police executed a search warrant on Floyd's house because witnesses identified Mayweather's car leaving the scene of a shooting at a Las Vegas skating rink. Witnesses also identified one of Mayweather's associates as the shooter.
In my opinion, Mayweather Jr has no ground to stand on when it comes to questioning another man's integrity. Mayweather has had several incidents of beating women, anger control problems, and other violent actions. This is the actions of man with no integrity.
Where does Mayweather get off thinking that he can accuse others of illegal activities when he should have been thrown into a prison like his father? Any man who beats a woman is nothing but a coward. From now on, reporters should just carry around Mayweather's rap sheet whenever he goes off accusing Pacquiao of taking PEDs or complaining that other people are wronging him.
It's clear to me that Mayweather's criminal record far outweighs his questionable boxing record.
Source: BoxingScene
Mayweather 146 Pac 145
What's the chances of getting it on one of those illegal streams?
Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Weigh-In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMKW7Z9WXFI
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 02, 2015, 12:07:06 PM
What's the chances of getting it on one of those illegal streams?
Watching boxing on vipsports or anyone of those pop up add ridden free sports streaming sites is the most stressful thing known to man. Not worth the chance if you really want to watch the fight
If you wait until morning they're be a mountain of good torrents of the fight.
Is a real balls that it can't be watched on Sky Go app aswel :-[
What time is the fight likely to be ?
Quote from: stiffler on May 02, 2015, 06:05:39 PM
What time is the fight likely to be ?
Approximately 4:30am they reckon
Quote from: Minder on May 02, 2015, 06:06:53 PM
Quote from: stiffler on May 02, 2015, 06:05:39 PM
What time is the fight likely to be ?
Approximately 4:30am they reckon
Cheers
An early night on the cards so
http://balls.ie/news/video-george-groves-has-a-laugh-at-carl-frochs-interview-with-floyd-mayweather/
In case anyone was still on the fence about Froch being a bit of a tit.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2015, 04:39:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Does anyone want Mayweather to win this fight at all?
I don't either Pacquiao seems a more likeable and humble character whereas Mayweather is an ill mannered yet talented mouthpiece. Can't wait to see the fight though. It would be great to get a read on what time they'll be out at but I doubt I'll have to get up at 4 just to be sure I see it.
Me! Pacquiao annoys me with his nice guy act when he is anything but! Any number of scandals about him until he was 'saved'! Mayweather is a p***k but at least he doesn't pretend he is anything else. Both fantastic boxers and I just hope it lives up to the hype. Mayweather hasn't been trash talking as much this fight, maybe he is more worried or just more focused.
I'm the same nrico, I might just set the alarm and get up around 4.30 or whenever it is on and then just stay up. I have to be leaving the house for 7am to go and cycle 120mile! It's going to be a long day!
So what are these scandals about Pacquio exactly? Nothing that compares to Mayweather
Any man got an idea of where we can get a decent stream for this one lads??
I'll be going to bed shortly to get up at 4.30 so an early idea would be great!
Quote from: screenexile on May 02, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
Any man got an idea of where we can get a decent stream for this one lads??
I'll be going to bed shortly to get up at 4.30 so an early idea would be great!
+1 on that one sir. Is exactly my plan so dont want to be f**king about for 20 mins when I get up. C'mon lads...
Is O'Kane fight onTV??
A draw and a rematch in 6 months time and another Klondike for the TV companies and promoters / hangers on !
firstrowsports.eu is your best bet for a decent stream.
Yes you have to click the adds away and hope it doesn't crash but its the best you're going to get
Its $100 ppv here - some cash for one fight..
Quote from: The Iceman on May 03, 2015, 04:36:24 AM
firstrowsports.eu is your best bet for a decent stream.
Yes you have to click the adds away and hope it doesn't crash but its the best you're going to get
Its $100 ppv here - some cash for one fight..
Site seems to be down. wiziwig is very slow too
anyone get a decent stream? please post it up
Pac hardly laid a glove on Mayweather in the first two rounds.
http://www.vipleague.se/announcements/301835/1/floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-manny-pacquiao-|-maypaq-|-free-ppv-showtime-boxing-|-sky-|-sbo-live-stream-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipleague.se/announcements/301835/1/floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-manny-pacquiao-%7C-maypaq-%7C-free-ppv-showtime-boxing-%7C-sky-%7C-sbo-live-stream-live-stream-online.html)
Front row.bz stream 5 working.
Manny back into it now I have Mayweather ahead by 2 rounds though.
floyd not engaging is he? though we didn't expect anything different.
hyped to be the biggest fight of our generation but its far from it
Quote from: screenexile on May 03, 2015, 05:24:17 AM
Front row.bz stream 5 working.
Manny back into it now I have Mayweather ahead by 2 rounds though.
paste a link for us there - mine got taken down there now for copyright infringement
Pacman going to need a KO at this stage unless he has big turn around in last 3 rounds.
Quote from: The Iceman on May 03, 2015, 05:31:02 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 03, 2015, 05:24:17 AM
Front row.bz stream 5 working.
Manny back into it now I have Mayweather ahead by 2 rounds though.
paste a link for us there - mine got taken down there now for copyright infringement
www.firstrowsports.bz
Quote from: The Iceman on May 03, 2015, 05:26:52 AM
floyd not engaging is he? though we didn't expect anything different.
hyped to be the biggest fight of our generation but its far from it
It is the biggest fight of our generation but was it ever going to be the best given the styles of the 2 lads? Mayweather is like Chelsea or Donegal ruthlessly efficient without being spectacular! He has this sewn up from what I can see unless Manny can do something spectacular!!!
do you think because of the amount of money they are getting paid that they dont try? FMW at least?
Floyd has parked the bus here.
5 years too late for Pacman as everyone suspected. Back to bed. :) Will Mayweather feel like he wasn't in a fight and go again?!
Floyd gave a pure exhibition of clinical defensive boxing. He's pure class! I wonder what that gameplan of Freddie Roachs was because there was no evidence of it here!
Mayweather a very intelligent fighter so composed won 9-3 I'd say.
Neither of the 2 of them look like they've been in a fight. Shite and had to listen to fuckhead Jim Watt into the bargain
Feel sorry for any man who paid for that. Snooze fest
Not for the first time I am glad I didn't pay for it.
Watched it on a Spanish stream, never been as bored.
Pacquiao thought he won the fight?? :o
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 03, 2015, 05:56:07 AM
Pacquiao thought he won the fight?? :o
Not sure how he thought that? Mayweather one more fight in September and then will retire.
Pacman was rubbish, so much hype about him but never looked like getting inside Mayweather at all.... Counter punches from Floyd was always going to keep him in front...
I had 117-113. The counter right hands in the first two rounds had Pacquiao wary all night and out of sorts. He never had a hope the way he fought it. Seemed to gas towards the end too. Think the 118-110 card was a bit harsh.
obviously scoring in boxing is subjective, I had floyd by 6, however the guardian's fight guy Kevin Mitchell thought manny by a point
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/03/floyd-mayweather-beats-manny-pacquiao-on-points-to-remain-unbeaten
anyone else think Manny had it?
Quote from: heganboy on May 03, 2015, 07:28:26 AM
obviously scoring in boxing is subjective, I had floyd by 6, however the guardian's fight guy Kevin Mitchell thought manny by a point
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/03/floyd-mayweather-beats-manny-pacquiao-on-points-to-remain-unbeaten
anyone else think Manny had it?
whoever wrote that article either didn't see the fight or knows nothing about boxing. Mayweather won at least 8 rounds by a pretty wide margin.
It wasn't eight clear rounds' worth of points in Mayweather's favour. Too many close rounds to say that. A truer margin was the four rounds that two of the judges had. Maybe five at a push. Far closer in many of the rounds than the Sky commentators made out - they have a bad tendency of choosing the winner after the first round and bias their commentary towards that fighter for the rest of the fight.
In the end the slow start left Pac with a mountain of work that he was unlikely to overcome. Mayweather is the greatest fighter of his generation. Some of his movement and blocking early in the fight was just unreal. As a person he is impossible to like but his talent is transcendent.
I thought it was a fascinating fight.
I'd imagine there's little chance of Mayweather not trying to break Marciano's 49-0 record, Captain Obvious. Might pretend retire first but the chance eclipse such a legendary record would be impossible for Mayweather's considerable ego to pass on.
He said won 8 rounds clearly, which would be a four point difference, not that he should have won by 8 points.
Quote from: gallsman on May 03, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
He said won 8 rounds clearly, which would be a four point difference, not that he should have won by 8 points.
Corrected.
Quote from: Syferus on May 03, 2015, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 03, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
He said won 8 rounds clearly, which would be a four point difference, not that he should have won by 8 points.
Corrected.
I had four points in it too, with two drawn rounds, which if I'd been forced to give to someone would have gone to Floyd.
Whether it was the injury that he's now talking about or not, there was just no "buzz" from Manny last night. He was utterly flummoxed.
Yesterday was like all Ireland final day with tickets for the fight coming out of the woodwork here and there and more often than not going for less than face value. We were glad to have got closed circuit tickets for the MGM and were not even trying to get tickets but were offered them on a number of occasions yesterday. Most offers were still looking ridiculous money but got chatting to one guy in the lift who was part of mayweather's promotion team a couple of hours before the fight. He offered me a pair of tickets which had a face value of $7000 for $2600 (probably about £1800 after adding on fees). Still crazy dough but I thought to myself "once in a lifetime" and said deal.
Went to the cash machine to try withdraw the money but got a "transaction declined" as did my mate. Went to the casino cashier and asked them to give me a cash advance on the card which had a ridiculous fee but they couldnt do it for us without having a passport there and then. Your promotions guy got frustrated with the dilly dallying, he had a dwindling window of time to get rid of the tickets, went off and that was that.
At the time I was gutted about missing out on the tickets but after just waking up this morning I'm glad I didn't shell out for them and think that it wasn't meant to be. While I knew that it was impossible for the fight to live up to the hype and expected the outcome I was still left feeling a bit underwhelmed after the final bell. I thought Pacquiao would have emptied the tank during the final rounds. Both fighters could have done another 5 rounds without too much difficulty I reckon and that is what would have annoyed me had I been at the fight, I wouldn't have got enough bang for my buck. Having said that it is difficult not to admire the genius of floyd Mayweather, in and out of the ring he is a shrewd operator.
Even at the closed circuit the atmosphere was great and it was a great setup.
Been a great trip and glad I made it. Got chatting to a number of fighters while being out here. Carl froch effectively said he was going to hang up the gloves. His big pay day against Chavez Jnr went up in smoke a couple of weeks back following Chavez's shock defeat by Fonfara. He more or less said he was happy with his career and had achieved everything he set out to. I think any possible fights out there for him e.g. de Gale are too much risk too little reward for him.
Away off to make the most of the last day before returning to Belfast having acquired a few pounds in the belly department and shed a load of weight in the wallet department (although at least not paying 900 for a ticket saved it from disappearing completely) ...
Mayweather was an easy winner for me,made Pacquiao look like an idiot plenty of times in the fight and evaded so many punches it was crazy,he's very hard to like but he is a hell of a fighter,his defence in particular is flawless.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 03, 2015, 05:11:54 PM
Yesterday was like all Ireland final day with tickets for the fight coming out of the woodwork here and there and more often than not going for less than face value. We were glad to have got closed circuit tickets for the MGM and were not even trying to get tickets but were offered them on a number of occasions yesterday. Most offers were still looking ridiculous money but got chatting to one guy in the lift who was part of mayweather's promotion team a couple of hours before the fight. He offered me a pair of tickets which had a face value of $7000 for $2600 (probably about £1800 after adding on fees). Still crazy dough but I thought to myself "once in a lifetime" and said deal.
Went to the cash machine to try withdraw the money but got a "transaction declined" as did my mate. Went to the casino cashier and asked them to give me a cash advance on the card which had a ridiculous fee but they couldnt do it for us without having a passport there and then. Your promotions guy got frustrated with the dilly dallying, he had a dwindling window of time to get rid of the tickets, went off and that was that.
At the time I was gutted about missing out on the tickets but after just waking up this morning I'm glad I didn't shell out for them and think that it wasn't meant to be. While I knew that it was impossible for the fight to live up to the hype and expected the outcome I was still left feeling a bit underwhelmed after the final bell. I thought Pacquiao would have emptied the tank during the final rounds. Both fighters could have done another 5 rounds without too much difficulty I reckon and that is what would have annoyed me had I been at the fight, I wouldn't have got enough bang for my buck. Having said that it is difficult not to admire the genius of floyd Mayweather, in and out of the ring he is a shrewd operator.
Even at the closed circuit the atmosphere was great and it was a great setup.
Been a great trip and glad I made it. Got chatting to a number of fighters while being out here. Carl froch effectively said he was going to hang up the gloves. His big pay day against Chavez Jnr went up in smoke a couple of weeks back following Chavez's shock defeat by Fonfara. He more or less said he was happy with his career and had achieved everything he set out to. I think any possible fights out there for him e.g. de Gale are too much risk too little reward for him.
Away off to make the most of the last day before returning to Belfast having acquired a few pounds in the belly department and shed a load of weight in the wallet department (although at least not paying 900 for a ticket saved it from disappearing completely) ...
Great read,sounded like a trip of a lifetime,fairplay.
Had said previous Mayweather will win handy enough, Manny lost more than he won recently and not remotely near the fighter he was 5 yrs ago fore by coming up the weights. Mayweather a good defensive fighter but still couldn't see him turn over Duran, Hearns or Leonard from yesterday year
Biggest action of the night would be trying to get a selfie with Mike Tyson, now that would be taking your life in your hand lol
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 03, 2015, 05:11:54 PM
Yesterday was like all Ireland final day with tickets for the fight coming out of the woodwork here and there and more often than not going for less than face value. We were glad to have got closed circuit tickets for the MGM and were not even trying to get tickets but were offered them on a number of occasions yesterday. Most offers were still looking ridiculous money but got chatting to one guy in the lift who was part of mayweather's promotion team a couple of hours before the fight. He offered me a pair of tickets which had a face value of $7000 for $2600 (probably about £1800 after adding on fees). Still crazy dough but I thought to myself "once in a lifetime" and said deal.
Went to the cash machine to try withdraw the money but got a "transaction declined" as did my mate. Went to the casino cashier and asked them to give me a cash advance on the card which had a ridiculous fee but they couldnt do it for us without having a passport there and then. Your promotions guy got frustrated with the dilly dallying, he had a dwindling window of time to get rid of the tickets, went off and that was that.
At the time I was gutted about missing out on the tickets but after just waking up this morning I'm glad I didn't shell out for them and think that it wasn't meant to be. While I knew that it was impossible for the fight to live up to the hype and expected the outcome I was still left feeling a bit underwhelmed after the final bell. I thought Pacquiao would have emptied the tank during the final rounds. Both fighters could have done another 5 rounds without too much difficulty I reckon and that is what would have annoyed me had I been at the fight, I wouldn't have got enough bang for my buck. Having said that it is difficult not to admire the genius of floyd Mayweather, in and out of the ring he is a shrewd operator.
Even at the closed circuit the atmosphere was great and it was a great setup.
Been a great trip and glad I made it. Got chatting to a number of fighters while being out here. Carl froch effectively said he was going to hang up the gloves. His big pay day against Chavez Jnr went up in smoke a couple of weeks back following Chavez's shock defeat by Fonfara. He more or less said he was happy with his career and had achieved everything he set out to. I think any possible fights out there for him e.g. de Gale are too much risk too little reward for him.
Away off to make the most of the last day before returning to Belfast having acquired a few pounds in the belly department and shed a load of weight in the wallet department (although at least not paying 900 for a ticket saved it from disappearing completely) ...
Credit card companies are paranoid about fraud and have become a monumental pain in the arse as a result. You need to phone them to tell them your whereabouts to be sure of getting cash out, when you need it or to avoid embarrassment in a shop/restaurant etc.
Twitter reacts to 'boring' victory for Mayweather... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/floyd-mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-twitter-reacts-to-boring-victory-for-mayweather-10221850.html
Celebrities React to the 'Boring' Mayweather v. Pacquiao Fight! http://www.justjared.com/2015/05/03/celebrities-react-to-the-boring-mayweather-v-pacquiao-fight/#ixzz3Z6GTXDit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEDt_A2UkAAzEyI.jpg)
Sad that a fight that had so much nuance to the tactics is being portrayed as boring. I tonight the inter-play between the two styles was fascinating and it has to be remembered who these fighters are - perhaps the #1 and #2 P4P fighters of their generations. Neither one was going to be a bum who was easy to hurt.
Chael Sonnen's prediction before the fight :P
"After years of speculation and months of hype, I still don't care. If you thought you waited a long time to see this fight, it'll feel even longer to get a decision.
"And let's be honest, when Pacquiao winds up to land that one punch that can knock out Mayweather, you could take a bathroom break, and get back to your seat before he's landed it. This fight reminds me of the Kentucky Derby, if the favorite horse ran away from the other horses the entire time.
"You ever hear your father talk about how he used to be great at something, then you see him play and he's just your dad and you want him to stop? That's this fight.
"But you want a prediction and I won't disappoint. During the fight, someone is going to sleep. Me."
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2059724/ufc-star-blasts-floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-says-the-fight-will-be-boring/#lwP751Dk3mTjhufr.99
'The Great White Hype' film with Samuel L Jackson & Jeff Goldbloom should have been watched yesterday to prepare people for the inevitable anti-climax. It's a gem of a comedy btw well worth watching.
Quote from: muppet on May 03, 2015, 06:28:27 PM
Credit card companies are paranoid about fraud and have become a monumental pain in the arse as a result. You need to phone them to tell them your whereabouts to be sure of getting cash out, when you need it or to avoid embarrassment in a shop/restaurant etc.
As soon as I buy something when traveling I immediately get a text asking me to confirm where I am. Bit irritating, but better than having your identity stolen and your account emptied.
Depressed by the boxing? hell watch The Raid and The Raid 2, just brighten up my day!!
I felt robbed after wasting money on the Alvarez and Mayweather fight but I'm not too sickened at paying for that fight in that I would have been gutted to miss it if it had been a classic and streams are a balls, full of ads or pausing flat out.
I never feel robbed watching Mayweather, I love watching counter punchers in genera but this man is a genius. His footwork, speed, ring smarts and all the rest are amazing to watch. Go watch the mexicans if you want to see tear ups all the time. Manny Pacquaio is a legend and one of the best ever yet he could hardly lay a glove on him. Mayweather has had 48 pro fights and has hardly been hit! That is some going! He won't get the credit he deserves until he has long retired.
I see GGG's name being mentioned with Mayweather as well! Cant see him taking that fight to finish off his amazing career. Khan and Garcia would be good options and both would do well PPV wise.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 04, 2015, 08:39:02 AM
I never feel robbed watching Mayweather, I love watching counter punchers in genera but this man is a genius. His footwork, speed, ring smarts and all the rest are amazing to watch. Go watch the mexicans if you want to see tear ups all the time. Manny Pacquaio is a legend and one of the best ever yet he could hardly lay a glove on him. Mayweather has had 48 pro fights and has hardly been hit! That is some going! He won't get the credit he deserves until he has long retired.
I see GGG's name being mentioned with Mayweather as well! Cant see him taking that fight to finish off his amazing career. Khan and Garcia would be good options and both would do well PPV wise.
Golovkin would be unreal and he's in record as saying he'd fight at 154 but Mayweather would and will never take that fight.
The best of his era no doubt but this TBE nonsense, championed by imbecile acolytes like Justin Bieber needs knocked on the head.
Quote from: gallsman on May 04, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 04, 2015, 08:39:02 AM
I never feel robbed watching Mayweather, I love watching counter punchers in genera but this man is a genius. His footwork, speed, ring smarts and all the rest are amazing to watch. Go watch the mexicans if you want to see tear ups all the time. Manny Pacquaio is a legend and one of the best ever yet he could hardly lay a glove on him. Mayweather has had 48 pro fights and has hardly been hit! That is some going! He won't get the credit he deserves until he has long retired.
I see GGG's name being mentioned with Mayweather as well! Cant see him taking that fight to finish off his amazing career. Khan and Garcia would be good options and both would do well PPV wise.
Golovkin would be unreal and he's in record as saying he'd fight at 154 but Mayweather would and will never take that fight.
The best of his era no doubt but this TBE nonsense, championed by imbecile acolytes like Justin Bieber needs knocked on the head.
Mayweather is the best of his era but not the best ever. Mayweather, and the world, knew that Pacquaio 2015 is not Pacquaio 2010, hence why he took the fight. Mayweather would never even consider going for GGG, that is a fight that he could very well lose.
Even when Pac was running around on the gear in his prime he wouldn't have beaten Mayweather. It would have been more or less the same fight as the other night. Wasn't ever going to be a win for Mayweather, if he got beat it would have been 'told you so' and when he does win convincingly it's 'but Pacquaio 5 years ago.....'. There is no doubt about it, Mayweather is a p***k but he's an outstanding boxer. Possibly in the top 10 or 15 boxers of all time.
Very disappointing, but probably the result most expected. Wouldn't be much of a spectacle if Mayweather fought someone with the same game plan. Wonder where both go from here and how much the shoulder injury impacted MP
King Kane won, though not a vintage performance I heard. Ticket sales not the best either, £40 / £65 tickets were on the steep side.
I give props to Floyd Junior being a master defensive boxer but if he is (TBE) the best ever then everyone in Boxing should pick up his strategy and stop fighting.
LOL MMA is where it's at... more compelling and more about real fighting!! :P
Quote from: Medic on May 07, 2015, 10:33:06 AM
I give props to Floyd Junior being a master defensive boxer but if he is (TBE) the best ever then everyone in Boxing should pick up his strategy and stop fighting.
LOL MMA is where it's at... more compelling and more about real fighting!! :P
MMA is still a distant second to boxing for me.
Quote from: Medic on May 07, 2015, 10:33:06 AM
I give props to Floyd Junior being a master defensive boxer but if he is (TBE) the best ever then everyone in Boxing should pick up his strategy and stop fighting.
LOL MMA is where it's at... (a) more compelling and (b) more about real fighting!! :P
(a) that's debatable - lots of MMA, especially when it goes to the mat is incredibly boring from a spectator's point of view
(b) that's the difference - boxing isn't fighting, it is sport. Regardless of the propaganda spouted by MMA fans the world over about it being the fastest growing sport on the planet or having the best PPV numbers, this is largely bluster. Top quality fights between the best fighters are few and far between, just like in boxing, as Dana and the Fertitta brothers are happy to push crap each and every week and watch the $$$ roll in.
Yep, MMA fighters fight, not foot around and box. You really can't run in MMA.
Pride was awesome back in the day... https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=312&v=bLHe1vuaYBM
I just think a boring MMA match is still better than a boring boxing match
Joe Rogan UFC Vs Boxing https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=64&v=TtKx41UdCj0
While I admire Conor McGregor for his marketing skills, my admiration of anthing UFC pretty much stops there.
The fact is that UFC is WWF (or WWE is it called now ?) for adults and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the sweet science !
Pipe down and head over to the UFC thread, if there isn't one already you should join up with the WWF thread. Good man
Some interesting points made about Mayweather and his checkered past on Second Captains last night.
He may be a fantastic boxer, but he also seems to be a bit of a sc**bag.
It makes his 'Money' persona even harder to stomach.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 07, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
Some interesting points made about Mayweather and his checkered past on Second Captains last night.
He may be a fantastic boxer, but he also seems to be a bit of a sc**bag.
It makes his 'Money' persona even harder to stomach.
He has been convicted of beating the shite out of a woman in a nighclub, his also bate seven shades of shite outta his now wife but she recanted her statement.
He spoke about the media not knowing him or his integrity, he has no integrity, he is just a low grade, wife beating piece of shite and he even picks who gets to cover fights and who does not, he even got to cherry pick an exclusive interview with Stephen A Smith, a loud mouthed, opinionated 'journalist' who, after the Ray Rice incident got a weeks suspension for stating to the effect that wives and girlfriends of top athletes need to stop getting their men so jacked up that they resort to hitting them, he should have been fired but got to issue an apology and sat for a week!
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 07, 2015, 02:19:57 PM
While I admire Conor McGregor for his marketing skills, my admiration of anthing UFC pretty much stops there.
The fact is that UFC is WWF (or WWE is it called now ?) for adults and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the sweet science !
Pipe down and head over to the UFC thread, if there isn't one already you should join up with the WWF thread. Good man
A top level boxer would eat a WWE wrestler every day of the week.
A top level boxer wouldn't last 3 minutes with an MMA fighter. There are some facts for you atticus
With only one belt in each weight class the top fighters fight all the time and even when they don't the matchups produce regular wars rarely seen in boxing since the turn of the century. Boxing was my first love - but it has died a death for me - nothing to get excited about anymore.
Quote from: The Iceman on May 07, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 07, 2015, 02:19:57 PM
While I admire Conor McGregor for his marketing skills, my admiration of anthing UFC pretty much stops there.
The fact is that UFC is WWF (or WWE is it called now ?) for adults and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the sweet science !
Pipe down and head over to the UFC thread, if there isn't one already you should join up with the WWF thread. Good man
A top level boxer would eat a WWE wrestler every day of the week.
A top level boxer wouldn't last 3 minutes with an MMA fighter. There are some facts for you atticus
With only one belt in each weight class the top fighters fight all the time and even when they don't the matchups produce regular wars rarely seen in boxing since the turn of the century. Boxing was my first love - but it has died a death for me - nothing to get excited about anymore.
At what? Boxing? I'd say he'd annhilate him. In an MMA fight? Then yes, the MMA fighter would win. What a daft statement.
One belt in each weight class...in each promotion. UFC may have all the top talent, but it is a shambles of an organisation in terms of professionalism.
Ha, did a WWE fighter not come into the MMA and beat all round him to prove he could do it? MMA would be exciting of they couldn't go to ground had had to exchange blows and move for an upright position. All this crap that MMA is like real fighting? is it?, last real fight i seen there bottles flying everywhere, they be bringing in weapons to MMA next lol.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2015, 06:06:38 PM
Ha, did a WWE fighter not come into the MMA and beat all round him to prove he could do it? MMA would be exciting of they couldn't go to ground had had to exchange blows and move for an upright position. All this crap that MMA is like real fighting? is it?, last real fight i seen there bottles flying everywhere, they be bringing in weapons to MMA next lol.
In fairness:
a) Lesnar is an athletically gifted freak.
b) He won his UFC title from a guy about half his size and twice his age. (Yes, I'm exaggerating)
c) He got absolutely annihilated on several occasions, although he was severely debilitated for much of his career.
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 07, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 07, 2015, 02:19:57 PM
While I admire Conor McGregor for his marketing skills, my admiration of anthing UFC pretty much stops there.
The fact is that UFC is WWF (or WWE is it called now ?) for adults and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the sweet science !
Pipe down and head over to the UFC thread, if there isn't one already you should join up with the WWF thread. Good man
A top level boxer would eat a WWE wrestler every day of the week.
A top level boxer wouldn't last 3 minutes with an MMA fighter. There are some facts for you atticus
With only one belt in each weight class the top fighters fight all the time and even when they don't the matchups produce regular wars rarely seen in boxing since the turn of the century. Boxing was my first love - but it has died a death for me - nothing to get excited about anymore.
At what? Boxing? I'd say he'd annhilate him. In an MMA fight? Then yes, the MMA fighter would win. What a daft statement.
One belt in each weight class...in each promotion. UFC may have all the top talent, but it is a shambles of an organisation in terms of professionalism.
You can't negate MMA because you don't understand the technicalities of it and then call boxing the sweet science
I haven't trained properly in 8 years and I'd eat anyone of you alive on the ground
ground fighting is like a game of chess - its a joy to watch if you know what you're looking at.
UFC is a young promotion - only started at the end of the 90s remember.
You are comparing apples and pears ffs.
only responding to atticu's comments gallsman
in light of that you should be telling him the same then
Ha, thought that might get a bite from you iceman old pal.
Gallsman is 100% correct.
Michael Phelps would beat Mayweather at a swimming contest.
And I would put every last penny I had on big Ruairi Convery from the Swa beating Floyd at a Poc Fada as well.
Long distance callers ... make long distance calls.
I was on the wind up a tad but obviously boxing comes 1st for me. Yeah it has its problems between dodgy decisions, the best match ups not happening and too many alphabet soup belts due to greedy sanctioning bodies but I still can't help but love it.
I'm sure you would admit that UFC has one or two flaws as well. Would be interested to get your opinion on the use of PEDs in UFC and the amount of quality testing ? From what I gather the former is widespread while the latter has only really started happening recently.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2015, 06:06:38 PM
Ha, did a WWE fighter not come into the MMA and beat all round him to prove he could do it? MMA would be exciting of they couldn't go to ground had had to exchange blows and move for an upright position. All this crap that MMA is like real fighting? is it?, last real fight i seen there bottles flying everywhere, they be bringing in weapons to MMA next lol.
Jensens?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 07, 2015, 06:56:36 PM
Ha, thought that might get a bite from you iceman old pal.
Gallsman is 100% correct.
Michael Phelps would beat Mayweather at a swimming contest.
And I would put every last penny I had on big Ruairi Convery from the Swa beating Floyd at a Poc Fada as well.
Long distance callers ... make long distance calls.
I was on the wind up a tad but obviously boxing comes 1st for me. Yeah it has its problems between dodgy decisions, the best match ups not happening and too many alphabet soup belts due to greedy sanctioning bodies but I still can't help but love it.
I'm sure you would admit that UFC has one or two flaws as well. Would be interested to get your opinion on the use of PEDs in UFC and the amount of quality testing ? From what I gather the former is widespread while the latter has only really started happening recently.
I still love boxing - I flew 6000 miles to see Carl Frampton win the title in Belfast. I don't know if I would do that for MMA - though McGregor in Croke Park might tempt me. Yes PEDs are a problem in MMA, no doubt. Hopefully the recent changes and people hired to oversee the new 3P testing will clean it up - but there will always be those who cheat unfortunately in any sport.
PEDs are a problem in all sports. For me the slowness and male humping that happens in MMA when they get on the ground is a turn off. It's just not exciting no matter how tactical it is. It's like an extreme version of clinching in boxing. Stand-up MMA fights can be very exciting though.
Lesnar was an NCAA champion amateur wrestler - his athleticism is/was incredible.
Didn't realise the date when I was posting yesterday.
7th May, ten years ago ... Corrales vs Castillo I Round 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0vSpewcMx4
Two years to the day on from that fight Corrales died in a motorbike accident.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 08, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
Didn't realise the date when I was posting yesterday.
7th May, ten years ago ... Corrales vs Castillo I Round 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0vSpewcMx4
Two years to the day on from that fight Corrales died in a motorbike accident.
Do you think Nostalgia plays tricks on us? Are we still in love with boxing because of what it was or what it is today? I often wonder where all the great fights/fighters have gone. Am I remembering my childhood and teens through tinted lenses? Or has boxing these days got little to be excited about?
I can watch these old fights over and over again Atticus. I have all of Tyson's fights on a bootleg dvd box set and have had many a night with the lads re-watching them with a case of beer.
Quote from: The Iceman on May 08, 2015, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 08, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
Didn't realise the date when I was posting yesterday.
7th May, ten years ago ... Corrales vs Castillo I Round 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0vSpewcMx4
Two years to the day on from that fight Corrales died in a motorbike accident.
Do you think Nostalgia plays tricks on us? Are we still in love with boxing because of what it was or what it is today? I often wonder where all the great fights/fighters have gone. Am I remembering my childhood and teens through tinted lenses? Or has boxing these days got little to be excited about?
I can watch these old fights over and over again Atticus. I have all of Tyson's fights on a bootleg dvd box set and have had many a night with the lads re-watching them with a case of beer.
Plenty of great fights and great fighters. Just very few great showmen.
Good fights happen all the time iceman take matthyssee vs Provodnikov that took place a couple of weeks back. Those are the types of fights that don't get the publicity they deserve. You're lucky to be in the timezone that you are, fights like Alvarez vs Kirkland taking place this weekend are more accessible to you. Even if my sky box wasn't on the blink (if anyone knows a good dream box man can you PM me please) I would probably give staying up for Alvarez vs Kirkland a miss as the bodyclock is only starting to get back in working order after Vegas.
I would agree that Nostalgia plays tricks on us though, largely due to us forming opinions on the most vivid memory we have that we associate with the most publicised / memorable event. Let's take the example of Corrales. You ask your average fan what is their opinion of Corrales today and I would say 90% of them would say he was a warrior based on that 10th round with Castillo. Very few of them will say he was a coward for being a woman beater (he spent two years in jail for abusing his pregnant wife). At same time you ask your average fan about Floyd and a lot more of them will have a negative opinion of him as a person as his history of women beating is a lot more current. While I would never try argue mayweather is a good person he is capable of good deeds. He paid for Genaro Hernadez's funeral (Mayweather won his first world title by stopping Hernandez) amid little fanfare but that wasn't heavily publicised. Pacquiao isn't a complete saint but he has a nice guy image as that is what is portrayed through the lens of the worldwide media.
Anyway, I've gone way off tangent there. In conclusion good fights do still happen we just don't get to see them or hear about them as much as we need to.
How can people not appreciate this man's boxing skills! Genius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244)
Cracking fight last night. Kirkland came to trade and Canelo handled it well and unleashed an absolute barrage for three rounds. Have never seen him as heavy handed as that. One of the most spectacular KOs you'll see for a while. Hope Kirkland is OK.
I went to see the Matchroom show at Birmingham's NIA last night and left there very disappointed. Most of the fights were total miss-matches. I don't think I'll be going to any more of Mr Hearn's promotions any time soon.
Two good fights last night, alvarez was spectacular-knockout of the year- kirkland came for a brael and got it. Good to see alvarez not celebrating when kirkland was on the canvas. Love to see alvarez and ggg.
Other good fight was buglioni and markham, ended in a draw which was prob the fairest result. A real slugfest for 10rounds. Will be good to see the rematch.
Anthony joshua Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I'd say you wouldn't be fit to put any Zzzzzz's through the roof if you were hit a shot like that Brazilian got last night??
Alvarez was devastating last night. Kirkland suited him though! Alvarez will be the next ppv star and is amazingly only in his early 20s.
Fair play to Kirkland for coming out to fight a puncher like Canelo like that, made for great viewing, brutal knock down.
I believe Canelo is the only fighter around who could put up a decent fight against Golovkin. Would love to see that fight come off. Canelo would be game for it but would his team let him near him? The other obstacle is Cotto who now wants GGG to give the blessing for the Canelo Cotto fight presumably with the guarentee that Golovkin would fight the winner?
Scott Quigg's next opponent announced today apparently. The talk is Kiko Martinez, that'll be a good barometer to see how good he is.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 12, 2015, 06:48:44 AM
Scott Quigg's next opponent announced today apparently. The talk is Kiko Martinez, that'll be a good barometer to see how good he is.
That be a good fight. Will give everyone an idea how good Quigg is or isn't.... Full respect for Kiko, was no mug and in his first fight with Karl he ws boxing very very well until the stoppage... Dates?
Quigg should be winning well if he has any chance against Frampton.
Confirmed as Martinez in July. Queue the talk of must win for Quigg but also if Martinez is past it.
I wonder what the odds will be? I'd fancy a few quid on Martinez at a half decent price.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 12, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
I wonder what the odds will be? I'd fancy a few quid on Martinez at a half decent price.
Looked at it earlier - http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing/boxing-matches (http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing/boxing-matches)
Quigg 2/9 Martinez 3/1
That's a great price, hard to judge, big pressure on quigg to perform at home, Karl wasn't comfortable in the first fight with Kiko and I seen his face the day after he beat him for the title, was very swollen and very sore looking, Kiko no mug, but by all accounts that's the right price for Qiugg.
My tenner will go on Kiko though
Quote from: Muzz on May 12, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 12, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
I wonder what the odds will be? I'd fancy a few quid on Martinez at a half decent price.
Looked at it earlier - http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing/boxing-matches (http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing/boxing-matches)
Quigg 2/9 Martinez 3/1
3/1 is very tempting indeed. I like Quigg but he hasn't really been tested at the level of Martinez yet. This is a big fight in Quiggs career, could make or break him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 12, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: Muzz on May 12, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 12, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
I wonder what the odds will be? I'd fancy a few quid on Martinez at a half decent price.
Looked at it earlier - http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing/boxing-matches (http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing/boxing-matches)
Quigg 2/9 Martinez 3/1
3/1 is very tempting indeed. I like Quigg but he hasn't really been tested at the level of Martinez yet. This is a big fight in Quiggs career, could make or break him.
In other news in this division, Kid Galahad has been banned for 2 years after testing positive for the same drug taken by Ben Johnson. I've seen this guy fight live on a Kell Brook undercard a few years ago and have been keeping an eye on his progress as he looked promising that night. His excuse seems a bit pathetic!
From mirror.co.uk
Unbeaten prospect Kid Galahad has been banned for two years for failing a drugs test.
Galahad, who has won the British and Commonwealth super-bantamweight titles, tested positive for the banned substance stanozolol, which was used by Ben Johnson in the 1980s.
A distraught Galahad has protested his innocence and claims one of his protein shakes was spiked with the steroid by his brother Mageed because of a row between the pair.
Mageed confessed to UK Anti-Doping when Galahad's case was heard, but officials have still hit him with a two-year ban from the date of his failed test back in September.
Galahad fears the suspension could destroy his promising career and says he hopes to appeal.
ActionKid GalahadPromising: The 24-year-old has won all 18 of his professional bouts
"What can I say, other than I am totally gutted?" he said. "This will stall my career dramatically.
"I'm absolutely devastated especially as I have not done anything wrong and have never taken a steroid in my life.
"The one thing about it which makes it even worse is that it involves a member of my family, my brother. He did it following a disagreement we had.
"I have got various options ahead of me and one of them is to appeal against the ban.
"Hopefully I will win that appeal and I can fight again very soon. Anyone who knows me will tell you I eat, sleep and breathe boxing. I've dedicated my life to it, so it would make no sense for me to jeopardise that by taking a drug which could get me banned."
Newfound respect for James DeGale.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/441526/EXCLUSIVE-James-DeGale-IBF-title-Andre-Dirrell-Darren-Sutherland
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 12, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
Newfound respect for James DeGale.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/441526/EXCLUSIVE-James-DeGale-IBF-title-Andre-Dirrell-Darren-Sutherland
Just reading that myself. Fair play to him!
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 12, 2015, 06:16:05 AM
Fair play to Kirkland for coming out to fight a puncher like Canelo like that, made for great viewing, brutal knock down.
I believe Canelo is the only fighter around who could put up a decent fight against Golovkin. Would love to see that fight come off. Canelo would be game for it but would his team let him near him? The other obstacle is Cotto who now wants GGG to give the blessing for the Canelo Cotto fight presumably with the guarentee that Golovkin would fight the winner?
Not sure Canelo has what it takes for GGG. Kirkland was made for him and was knocked out in 1rd by someone not recognised as a puncher a few years previously.
If Andre Ward ever gets busy again I can see him putting up a good fight and maybe winning. He hasn't fought recently for years though so not sure will happen.
Quote from: CiKe on May 13, 2015, 03:47:40 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 12, 2015, 06:16:05 AM
Fair play to Kirkland for coming out to fight a puncher like Canelo like that, made for great viewing, brutal knock down.
I believe Canelo is the only fighter around who could put up a decent fight against Golovkin. Would love to see that fight come off. Canelo would be game for it but would his team let him near him? The other obstacle is Cotto who now wants GGG to give the blessing for the Canelo Cotto fight presumably with the guarentee that Golovkin would fight the winner?
Not sure Canelo has what it takes for GGG. Kirkland was made for him and was knocked out in 1rd by someone not recognised as a puncher a few years previously.
If Andre Ward ever gets busy again I can see him putting up a good fight and maybe winning. He hasn't fought recently for years though so not sure will happen.
Yeah your right I don't think he would have a hope either but he at least has the power to keep GGG off, although I actually think that Golovkin has a very good defence he just decides it easier to walk through punches when he tastes what they have. But Canelo would at least make him use that defence.
Ward's such a waster, although he potentially has the best chance of beating Golovkin he has the size and hence power and the boxing skills but I actually think Golovkin is a small middleweight so I don't think he actually will move up. Would not be as tasty of fight as Canelo tho.
I pity this Munroe guy at the weekend tho having to step into the ring with him, he said at the press conference that he seen a hint of fear in Golovkin's eyes... I had a laugh at that. Refs needa be on the ball when GGG gets in the ring cos he could seriously hurt somebody.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 12, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 12, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
Newfound respect for James DeGale.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/boxing/441526/EXCLUSIVE-James-DeGale-IBF-title-Andre-Dirrell-Darren-Sutherland
Just reading that myself. Fair play to him!
Honestly thought he was a bit of a tit before this. I thought there was agro between him and Sutherland but clearly there was plenty of respect.
Sutherland had DeGale's number before the Olympic silver medal fight - you got the feeling Sutherland sort of checked out after he won the bronze. It's hard to think of DeGale without thinking of Sutherland and what may have been. One of the saddest episodes in Irish sport. RIP and good luck to DeGale.
What time is walk in for GGG fight tonight?
Read on Twitter it's due to be between 3.30 and 4am
Ah Jesus a bit late then. Cheers Benny
Feckin missed it! Thought it was on later
Oh well not like there was gonna be any surprises on the cards I can watch it later
Golovkin's problem will be trying to get someone to fight him.
Carl will have a tough fight on the same night Quigg fights... Fighting in New York
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 09:59:54 AM
Golovkin's problem will be trying to get someone to fight him.
He called out Cotto or Alvarez last night. I'd love to see him and Alvarez scrap! If he went down to 154 I reckon Mayweather would beat him easy enough. In similar style to the Mayweather Alvarez fight. He takes too many shots at the minute, someone good is bound to beat him. He's like a terminator at the minute just walking through punches to knock his man out.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 09:59:54 AM
Golovkin's problem will be trying to get someone to fight him.
He called out Cotto or Alvarez last night. I'd love to see him and Alvarez scrap! If he went down to 154 I reckon Mayweather would beat him easy enough. In similar style to the Mayweather Alvarez fight. He takes too many shots at the minute, someone good is bound to beat him. He's like a terminator at the minute just walking through punches to knock his man out.
Thats hilarious
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 17, 2015, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 09:59:54 AM
Golovkin's problem will be trying to get someone to fight him.
He called out Cotto or Alvarez last night. I'd love to see him and Alvarez scrap! If he went down to 154 I reckon Mayweather would beat him easy enough. In similar style to the Mayweather Alvarez fight. He takes too many shots at the minute, someone good is bound to beat him. He's like a terminator at the minute just walking through punches to knock his man out.
Thats hilarious
Aye crazy. Mayweather would be nuts to take the fight. I actually agree with may weather sr on not taking that fight. Weight divisions are there for a reason and Floyd would be giving away to much even with GGG coming down. Still love to see him sparked out all the same. Agree also with someone else who mentioned on here that GGG defence is actually a lot better but he just doesn't need to use it. Really looking forward to seeing him in a big bout.
Quote from: HiMucker on May 17, 2015, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 17, 2015, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 17, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 17, 2015, 09:59:54 AM
Golovkin's problem will be trying to get someone to fight him.
He called out Cotto or Alvarez last night. I'd love to see him and Alvarez scrap! If he went down to 154 I reckon Mayweather would beat him easy enough. In similar style to the Mayweather Alvarez fight. He takes too many shots at the minute, someone good is bound to beat him. He's like a terminator at the minute just walking through punches to knock his man out.
Thats hilarious
Aye crazy. Mayweather would be nuts to take the fight. I actually agree with may weather sr on not taking that fight. Weight divisions are there for a reason and Floyd would be giving away to much even with GGG coming down. Still love to see him sparked out all the same. Agree also with someone else who mentioned on here that GGG defence is actually a lot better but he just doesn't need to use it. Really looking forward to seeing him in a big bout.
Yeah its true he would be giving away too much although I think that Golovkin could make light middle no problem.
The Golovkin situation in the middle weight division is now at a farcical level, the fight could have been over in the 2nd last night only Golovkin wanted to have a bit of a fight and gave Munroe a couple of free shots in the 4th that he basically laughed at. He was basically toying with him. The caliber of boxer he is facing is not high enough. If the governing bodies cannot make an A list boxer (Canelo, Cotto, Ward even Mayweather) get in a ring with this guy they are failing the fans and failing the sport especially after the Mayweather Pacqiuo let down
Ward doesn't fight in the same division, nor do Canelo or Mayweather. Cotto is the only one he could be made mandatory for.
GGG has said he wants them. Let's see what happens.
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2015, 06:25:11 AM
Ward doesn't fight in the same division, nor do Canelo or Mayweather. Cotto is the only one he could be made mandatory for.
GGG has said he wants them. Let's see what happens.
He is mandatory for Cotto within the year but it looks like they are gonna let him wriggle out of it if he makes the Canelo fight with a written agreement for the winner to fight Golovkin.
It'll be a handy way out for Cotto cause he will probably loss the Canelo fight putting up a good show and then he will be able to move back down a division without the embarrassment of a total pounding by GGG or a belt vacate. This would then probably set himself up for another Mayweather fight which he would be certain to lose with only a few jabs to the face but a big pay day and then he would call it quits.
Whether a GGG fight happens or not, suggesting Cotto is too cowardly to face him is bizarre. Cotto is tough as nails, had been in some absolute wars and never ducked anyone.
Quote from: gallsman on May 19, 2015, 07:20:02 AM
Whether a GGG fight happens or not, suggesting Cotto is too cowardly to face him is bizarre. Cotto is tough as nails, had been in some absolute wars and never ducked anyone.
Eh? he's just after ducking Canelo!
And he will only make the fight now that he is being given a mandatory defence against Golovkin as his other option.
Canelo GGG wont be happening for a while yet. This will be the next big two. IMO no one beats GGG at any weight.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 19, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 19, 2015, 07:20:02 AM
Whether a GGG fight happens or not, suggesting Cotto is too cowardly to face him is bizarre. Cotto is tough as nails, had been in some absolute wars and never ducked anyone.
Eh? he's just after ducking Canelo!
And he will only make the fight now that he is being given a mandatory defence against Golovkin as his other option.
Cotto-Canelo is supposedly done for the autumn, assuming Cotto beats Geale.
Judah, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pacman, Floyd, Martinez. That's a pretty star studded list of fights. Suggesting he's a ducker is laughable.
Quote from: gallsman on May 19, 2015, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 19, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 19, 2015, 07:20:02 AM
Whether a GGG fight happens or not, suggesting Cotto is too cowardly to face him is bizarre. Cotto is tough as nails, had been in some absolute wars and never ducked anyone.
Eh? he's just after ducking Canelo!
And he will only make the fight now that he is being given a mandatory defence against Golovkin as his other option.
Cotto-Canelo is supposedly done for the autumn, assuming Cotto beats Geale.
Judah, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pacman, Floyd, Martinez. That's a pretty star studded list of fights. Suggesting he's a ducker is laughable.
So why hasnt he made the fight or even suggested that it could happen in the future?
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 19, 2015, 04:14:40 PMSo why hasnt he made the fight or even suggested that it could happen in the future?
Any number of reasons. Like most of the time in boxing, money. Just because a fight doesn't happen ASAP doesn't mean one fighter is ducking the other.
Have just seen the Chocolatito Gonzalez fight on BT Sport. The guy is sensational. Sosa threw some really good, solid punches but he got absolutely annihilated.
Quote from: gallsman on May 19, 2015, 08:55:20 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 19, 2015, 04:14:40 PMSo why hasnt he made the fight or even suggested that it could happen in the future?
Any number of reasons. Like most of the time in boxing, money. Just because a fight doesn't happen ASAP doesn't mean one fighter is ducking the other.
Have just seen the Chocolatito Gonzalez fight on BT Sport. The guy is sensational. Sosa threw some really good, solid punches but he got absolutely annihilated.
If its about money then why is he taking the Geale fight? And not the mandatory challenger GGG whom he has to fight and would more money in the process?
First time i seen Gonzalez very impressive, no doubt him and GGG are the 2 most exciting (and probably best) boxers around at the moment. Notable inclusions would be Kovalev and Rigondeaux
Well it looks like Froch is gonna step up to the GGG plate with a fight in Wembley
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/carl-froch-talks-gennady-golovkin-5738474
Gotta respect Froch he is game for pretty much anything
Only after the Chavez fight fell through in fairness.
Froch will be torn apart.
Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
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Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
The only way Froch can win this is in a Benn v McClellan style war and (a big) if we find out that Golovkin doesn't quite fancy the war. I really would fear that it could be just as brutal.
Lads I would have GGG as a favorite here but not overwhelmingly so. I think some of you are underestimating just how naturally bigger Froch is compared to him. GGG won't have faced anyone who punches anywhere near as hard as Froch.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 22, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
Lads I would have GGG as a favorite here but not overwhelmingly so. I think some of you are underestimating just how naturally bigger Froch is compared to him. GGG won't have faced anyone who punches anywhere near as hard as Froch.
Or is as wide open since he was U10..
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Lads I would have GGG as a favorite here but not overwhelmingly so. I think some of you are underestimating just how naturally bigger Froch is compared to him. GGG won't have faced anyone who punches anywhere near as hard as Froch.
Or is as wide open since he was U10..
Exactly. Froch isn't going to change, he won't come with a plan to try and fight on the back foot or try and dance around the ring, he will go straight for Golovkin and Froch will be a sitting duck. This fight wouldn't go by the 8th round.
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Lads I would have GGG as a favorite here but not overwhelmingly so. I think some of you are underestimating just how naturally bigger Froch is compared to him. GGG won't have faced anyone who punches anywhere near as hard as Froch.
Or is as wide open since he was U10..
Exactly. Froch isn't going to change, he won't come with a plan to try and fight on the back foot or try and dance around the ring, he will go straight for Golovkin and Froch will be a sitting duck. This fight wouldn't go by the 8th round.
But it could be a hell of an eight rounds
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Lads I would have GGG as a favorite here but not overwhelmingly so. I think some of you are underestimating just how naturally bigger Froch is compared to him. GGG won't have faced anyone who punches anywhere near as hard as Froch.
Or is as wide open since he was U10..
Exactly. Froch isn't going to change, he won't come with a plan to try and fight on the back foot or try and dance around the ring, he will go straight for Golovkin and Froch will be a sitting duck. This fight wouldn't go by the 8th round.
But it could be a hell of an eight rounds
It would tear strips of MAY/PAQ anyways!!
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Lads I would have GGG as a favorite here but not overwhelmingly so. I think some of you are underestimating just how naturally bigger Froch is compared to him. GGG won't have faced anyone who punches anywhere near as hard as Froch.
Or is as wide open since he was U10..
Exactly. Froch isn't going to change, he won't come with a plan to try and fight on the back foot or try and dance around the ring, he will go straight for Golovkin and Froch will be a sitting duck. This fight wouldn't go by the 8th round.
But it could be a hell of an eight rounds
It would tear strips of MAY/PAQ anyways!!
Exactly. I'd pay to watch it. I did say I'd have Golovkin favorite but it should be the best scrap he's been in yet and good to watch.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 22, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
Yeah, 'cos Froch has been really easy to knock out his whole career, hasn't he?
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Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
Yeah, 'cos Froch has been really easy to knock out his whole career, hasn't he?
No he hasn't but he will be coming forward against the hardest puncher he will ever face. Lesser punchers than GGG have wobbled him too.
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Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
Yeah, 'cos Froch has been really easy to knock out his whole career, hasn't he?
No he hasn't but he will be coming forward against the hardest puncher he will ever face. Lesser punchers than GGG have wobbled him too.
Would love to see this fight. Would be a real rocky encounter. Wouldn't be surprised if Froch KO'd him in the 11/12 rounds. Its been 20 fights since GGG went the distance
I see Andre Ward is fighting Paul Smith next. Hard to believe its only Ward's 3rd fight since beating Froch in 2011
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Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
Yeah, 'cos Froch has been really easy to knock out his whole career, hasn't he?
No he hasn't but he will be coming forward against the hardest puncher he will ever face. Lesser punchers than GGG have wobbled him too.
They haven't put him down though. Froch's chin is like granite and he's a much bigger man than Golovkin has faced to date. Think Froch should stop though, 37 and hasn't fought in a year. Would be a great fight though.
Well the thing is Froch has a great chin and great heart and can hit quite hard but skill-wise he is a a very average boxer.
The first two are the main reasons he has got so far which says alot about their importance in boxing.
GGG tho is a supremely skillful boxer and punches like he's got a hammer in his hands, and contrary to popular believe he actually has a great defence but rarely uses it.
His chin and his heart tho remain to be tested. He has been in with some good punchers such as Curtis Stevens and he actually gave Monroe a few free shots on Saturday but the true test of his chin is when he gets a well timed shot from an unexpected angle
On the other hand I am not sure that Froch is the man to test him. The size difference and headstrong Froch may make it may be a different fight than most GGG fights but I think that GGG's skillset will help him deal with Froch comfortably.
Anyway nothing is agreed yet it would be a crazy fight for Froch to take as his farewell bout and total respect goes to the guy if he takes it
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Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
Yeah, 'cos Froch has been really easy to knock out his whole career, hasn't he?
No he hasn't but he will be coming forward against the hardest puncher he will ever face. Lesser punchers than GGG have wobbled him too.
They haven't put him down though. Froch's chin is like granite and he's a much bigger man than Golovkin has faced to date. Think Froch should stop though, 37 and hasn't fought in a year. Would be a great fight though.
Jermain Taylor and George Groves both had Froch down, he came back to win both in fairness. I agree, Froch should retire. Would still be a great fight though.
This could be Hagler Hearns type stuff. Make no mistake about it, Froch hits hard and is naturally bigger man. Don't think he will but for some reason I think back to when he boxed the ears off Arthur Abraham. Now he ain't in same league as GGG but was recognised as a brutal puncher and Froch opted not to get involved.
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Froch GGG would be amazing. Used to like Froch years ago, but made a tube of himself the past few years and still cringing at his Mayweather interview. GGG would knock him out pretty early.
Yeah, 'cos Froch has been really easy to knock out his whole career, hasn't he?
No he hasn't but he will be coming forward against the hardest puncher he will ever face. Lesser punchers than GGG have wobbled him too.
They haven't put him down though. Froch's chin is like granite and he's a much bigger man than Golovkin has faced to date. Think Froch should stop though, 37 and hasn't fought in a year. Would be a great fight though.
Jermain Taylor and George Groves both had Froch down, he came back to win both in fairness. I agree, Froch should retire. Would still be a great fight though.
Put him down for good is clearly what I meant ffs. Neither of those knockdowns were the type of ones that have him out on his feet, unaware of what's going on. The man is as tough as old boots. His comeback against Taylor was outrageous. Just doesn't know when he's beaten.
Mike Perez knocked out inside of 2 minutes by Povetkin.
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Mike Perez knocked out inside of 2 minutes by Povetkin.
Perez's conditioning was appalling, as it has been in general for most of his career. The guy's heart just isn't in it.
What's the thoughts on Degale v Dirrell tonight? I like Degale, well he's grown on me, and he has improved immensely since the loss to Groves. Don't know a huge pile about Dirrell other than his fight with Froch a few years ago when I was quite impressed. A few experts like Malinaggi seem to question his heart for the battle, so hopefully Degale can take him into a war. Plenty of decent fights these past few weeks.
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What's the thoughts on Degale v Dirrell tonight? I like Degale, well he's grown on me, and he has improved immensely since the loss to Groves. Don't know a huge pile about Dirrell other than his fight with Froch a few years ago when I was quite impressed. A few experts like Malinaggi seem to question his heart for the battle, so hopefully Degale can take him into a war. Plenty of decent fights these past few weeks.
Will be close I think. Dirrell a cut above anything DeGale has faced yet and DeGale a cut above anything Dirrell has faced in years. Dirrell looked in great shape at the weigh and think DeGale will have to put on an absolute clinic if he's to win without a KO.
He's grown on me the last could of years too. Doesn't seem as smug or something.
degale looks in great shape too, he didnt get his nickname for nothing. like a couple on here, never really had much time for him but think he has matured a lot, he definately has the skilll to beat dirrel and i hope he does. should be a good fight.
Have changed my mind on DeGale as well.
Was very unlikeable....
Not sure how he's won most round...
Hope he can win tonight....makes a nice change to see it at a decent time.....
Good scrap here!
De Gale should have this put to bed long ago. He'd wanna watch himself he's leaving himself very open everytime he goes in,not sure Dirrell's much left to land a big one on him though.
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De Gale should have this put to bed long ago. He'd wanna watch himself he's leaving himself very open everytime he goes in,not sure Dirrell's much left to land a big one on him though.
Was thinking the same myself! I hope Degale doesn't regret not putting this guy away earlier!
Throwing it away here ffs
two big last rounds for degale there. well done fella. one judge had 8rounds in it!!!!
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two big last rounds for degale there. well done fella. one judge had 8rounds in it!!!!
I was wondering did i hear that right. :o
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Have changed my mind on DeGale as well.
Was very unlikeable....
Not sure how he's won most round...
Hope he can win tonight....makes a nice change to see it at a decent time.....
I think this might have helped win a few Irish fans around....
EXCLUSIVE: James DeGale wants to win IBF title for old friend Darren Sutherland
JAMES DEGALE will become a history maker if he wins the IBF title against Andre Dirrell next week - but he also wants to win it for old friend Darren Sutherland.
PAYING RESPECT: DeGale wants to beat Dirrell for his friend Sutherland
The London super-middleweight takes on the American for the vacant strap in Boston on May 23 wearing shorts emblazoned with the initials 'DS'.
Victory would mean DeGale, 29, becomes the first British fighter to win Olympic gold and go on to become a bona fide professional world champion.
And it is the fighter he beat along the way to Olympic glory at Beijing 2008 that he will be thinking of should he create history.
The Londoner edged out Irishman Sutherland in a closely-fought semi-final in their sixth meeting as amateurs in China.
But just over a year later the Dubliner was found hanged in his Bromley flat in London by manager Frank, now Kellie, Maloney aged just 27.
Sutherland, who won bronze in Beijing, was tipped for professional glory like DeGale and had impressed in his first four outings in the paid ranks?
"It was so sad to hear about it. To put his initials on my shorts was just a bit of respect for him and his family who must have found it so hard"
James DeGale
DeGale was left distraught by the news and since that dark day in September 2009 he has worn the tribute to his former foe.
'Chunky' revealed: "It was so sad to hear about it. To put his initials on my shorts was just a bit of respect for him and his family who must have found it so hard.
"We were rivals as amateurs but we had a lot of respect for each other. When I'm going to be world champion, he is going to be world champion.
"We are going to lift this together. Maybe it is just his initials on my shorts but we will do it together."
It is a kind-hearted display from DeGale for Sutherland, who would no doubt have been on his own world title path if he was still with us.
The Dublin-born fighter was highly rated on both sides of the Irish Sea.
But living away from his family in London had a negative effect and he sank into depression amid fears over an eye injury which left him in doubt about his future.
A second inquest into Sutherland's death delivered an open verdict, despite confirming hanging was the cause.
The tragedy serves as a warning to DeGale and other fighters about how tough boxing can be when you leave the team-orientated amateur side of the sport.
He added: "I was so sad when I heard the news, I was absolutely gutted. It was horrible. He must have been in a sad, lonely place.
"That is what boxing is though, it is a lonely sport. You're in the ring on your own but you can be on your own outside the ring too.
"If you do not have the right team around you it is kind of thing can happen. It's horrible."
DeGale admits it is a "shame" they never got to meet again in the ring, but he will be hoping his old friend is in his corner in spirit next Saturday night.
Well Khan by UD against Algieri. Anyone see it?
Reports said that it was close but judges scorecards don't seem to think so
It was on the Spike channel in the states defo a step in the wrong direction for Khan....
Eamon Magee??
watched the khan fight. probably did enough to win, but never impressed. got caught a few times with algieri right hand and shook him. talk of khan v mayweather...no chance, khans appeal has faded in the US and that performance will only confirm to most over there that khan hasnt got it
Can we guess Mayweathers last fight?
Surprised Danny Garcia not linked......
Most likely to be a rematch with an old foe.....
Don't think Khan has a chance now......
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Can we guess Mayweathers last fight?
Surprised Danny Garcia not linked......
Most likely to be a rematch with an old foe.....
Don't think Khan has a chance now......
Cotto? Keith Thurman? winner of Broner vs Porter? Think Khan would be more entertaining than any of them and would love to see him get shut up
This has been a class night of boxing on the Matchroom PPV. Joshua is a machine.
Jesus Mitchell's eye was one of the worst I have seen "grotesque" :o
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Jesus Mitchell's eye was one of the worst I have seen "grotesque" :o
Was bad alright, a bit of a shame as he'd been boxing really well for about 8 rounds or so. Linares is a decent operator though. Lee Selby looked like he is the real deal. Brook, as expected, was just a few levels above Frankie Gavin. He needs a big name next.
In other news, interesting to see Carl Frampton has signed with Al Haymon. Is he preparing to move onto the next stage of his career in the U.S.?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3101401/Carl-Frampton-signs-agreement-mysterious-boxing-adviser-Al-Haymon.html
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Jesus Mitchell's eye was one of the worst I have seen "grotesque" :o
Was bad alright, a bit of a shame as he'd been boxing really well for about 8 rounds or so. Linares is a decent operator though. Lee Selby looked like he is the real deal. Brook, as expected, was just a few levels above Frankie Gavin. He needs a big name next.
In other news, interesting to see Carl Frampton has signed with Al Haymon. Is he preparing to move onto the next stage of his career in the U.S.?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3101401/Carl-Frampton-signs-agreement-mysterious-boxing-adviser-Al-Haymon.html
Well he's fighting in New York in July I think...be interesting too see how that pans out
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 30, 2015, 10:34:07 PM
This has been a class night of boxing on the Matchroom PPV. Joshua is a machine.
They are taking him nice and slow. I am looking forward to seeing his continued progress through the rankings. Have high hopes for this one.
The card was very good - all on youtube for anyone who hasn't seen it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA)
Some intriguing matchups ahead - some good HWs on the EU side of the Atlantic now...
Well looks like Cotto made very short work of Geale last night, although I think Geale came into the fight way overweight and never looked at the races at all. Probably be the end of him after 2 such brutal defeats
Anyway in the tall and short of it, it should in theory equate to Cotto being a good match for Golovkin? However looks like he is gonna fight Canelo next (easier and more lucrative option so a no brainer) with the winner GGG. Hope both happen, both fights should be clinkers and with GGGs potential showdown with Froch we could have a great 2nd 6 months of 2015. Although if we got 2 of those 3 I'd be happy, tho think we will only get 1... with everyone ducking Golovkin
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This has been a class night of boxing on the Matchroom PPV. Joshua is a machine.
They are taking him nice and slow. I am looking forward to seeing his continued progress through the rankings. Have high hopes for this one.
The card was very good - all on youtube for anyone who hasn't seen it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA)
Some intriguing matchups ahead - some good HWs on the EU side of the Atlantic now...
Any word on next opponent for joshua, would like to see him take on david price. Still think joshua would win but would be a good indicator of where he's at.
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This has been a class night of boxing on the Matchroom PPV. Joshua is a machine.
They are taking him nice and slow. I am looking forward to seeing his continued progress through the rankings. Have high hopes for this one.
The card was very good - all on youtube for anyone who hasn't seen it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA)
Some intriguing matchups ahead - some good HWs on the EU side of the Atlantic now...
A fight with Price doesn't make a lot of sense? Price would be a step back now surely? I'd say they'll throw him in with Tyosn Fury within 2 years while it is still highly marketable. Now would be too soon. I expect him to be challenging for a title in 2 years or less if they keep moving him on as they have...?
Any word on next opponent for joshua, would like to see him take on david price. Still think joshua would win but would be a good indicator of where he's at.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 30, 2015, 10:34:07 PM
This has been a class night of boxing on the Matchroom PPV. Joshua is a machine.
They are taking him nice and slow. I am looking forward to seeing his continued progress through the rankings. Have high hopes for this one.
The card was very good - all on youtube for anyone who hasn't seen it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA)
Some intriguing matchups ahead - some good HWs on the EU side of the Atlantic now...
A fight with Price doesn't make a lot of sense? Price would be a step back now surely? I'd say they'll throw him in with Tyosn Fury within 2 years while it is still highly marketable. Now would be too soon. I expect him to be challenging for a title in 2 years or less if they keep moving him on as they have...?
Any word on next opponent for joshua, would like to see him take on david price. Still think joshua would win but would be a good indicator of where he's at.
I think Price v Joshua is still a big domestic fight in Britain. Price has quietly went about his business rebuilding his career under the Sauerlands after his heavy defeats to Tony Thompson. The strange way boxing works is that I suspect a Joshua fight v Thompson is more likely which would set up the Price fight nicely, especially if Joshua takes out Thompson easily. There's also talk of Dillian Whyte, who is unbeaten as a professional and who beat Joshua in the amateurs in 2009, knocking him down in the process.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on May 30, 2015, 10:34:07 PM
This has been a class night of boxing on the Matchroom PPV. Joshua is a machine.
They are taking him nice and slow. I am looking forward to seeing his continued progress through the rankings. Have high hopes for this one.
The card was very good - all on youtube for anyone who hasn't seen it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86hmDFuqiA)
Some intriguing matchups ahead - some good HWs on the EU side of the Atlantic now...
A fight with Price doesn't make a lot of sense? Price would be a step back now surely? I'd say they'll throw him in with Tyosn Fury within 2 years while it is still highly marketable. Now would be too soon. I expect him to be challenging for a title in 2 years or less if they keep moving him on as they have...?
Any word on next opponent for joshua, would like to see him take on david price. Still think joshua would win but would be a good indicator of where he's at.
I think Price is still a big domestic fight in Britain. Price has quietly went about his business rebuilding his career under the Sauerlands after his heavy defeats to Tony Thompson. The strange way boxing works is that I suspect a fight v Thompson is more likely which would set up the Price fight nicely, especially if Joshua takes out Thompson easily. There's also talk of Dillian Whyte, who is unbeaten as a professional and who beat Joshua in the amateurs in 2009, knocking him down in the process.
David Price was being talked about in similarly glowing terms to Joshua not so long ago. While Joshua certainly seems to have power we are yet to see whether he has a chin. He is still very young so don`t think will be rushed along too quickly.
Frampton gonna make his US debut.
Going straight into the lions den if you ask me. A young Mexican boxer never fought before outside of Mexico with a very good record in El Paso Texas? Sounds like a perfect scenario for an ambush.
I know the states is a massive market and its where the money is in boxing but there is easier places to dip your toe in the water.
Not sure if his opponent is any good but hopefully he pulls through it with style and starts to make a name for himself
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Frampton gonna make his US debut.
Going straight into the lions den if you ask me. A young Mexican boxer never fought before outside of Mexico with a very good record in El Paso Texas? Sounds like a perfect scenario for an ambush.
I know the states is a massive market and its where the money is in boxing but there is easier places to dip your toe in the water.
Not sure if his opponent is any good but hopefully he pulls through it with style and starts to make a name for himself
28 fights one defeat this lad.... Be a lot tougher than people think.... He's dropped down a weight I think...
Hopefully not a banana skin
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2015, 07:33:17 AM
Frampton gonna make his US debut.
Going straight into the lions den if you ask me. A young Mexican boxer never fought before outside of Mexico with a very good record in El Paso Texas? Sounds like a perfect scenario for an ambush.
I know the states is a massive market and its where the money is in boxing but there is easier places to dip your toe in the water.
Not sure if his opponent is any good but hopefully he pulls through it with style and starts to make a name for himself
This doesn't make sense.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2015, 07:33:17 AM
Frampton gonna make his US debut.
Going straight into the lions den if you ask me. A young Mexican boxer never fought before outside of Mexico with a very good record in El Paso Texas? Sounds like a perfect scenario for an ambush.
I know the states is a massive market and its where the money is in boxing but there is easier places to dip your toe in the water.
Not sure if his opponent is any good but hopefully he pulls through it with style and starts to make a name for himself
This doesn't make sense.
I guess there should have been a comma between "record" and "in"?
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Quote from: omaghjoe on June 09, 2015, 07:33:17 AM
Frampton gonna make his US debut.
Going straight into the lions den if you ask me. A young Mexican boxer never fought before outside of Mexico with a very good record in El Paso Texas? Sounds like a perfect scenario for an ambush.
I know the states is a massive market and its where the money is in boxing but there is easier places to dip your toe in the water.
Not sure if his opponent is any good but hopefully he pulls through it with style and starts to make a name for himself
This doesn't make sense.
I guess there should have been a comma between "record" and "in"?
Ah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxQuwaf-wY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxQuwaf-wY)
This is great. :D
Well it sounds like Lee v Saunders is gonna be made with Thomond Park the venue in September. Tough one for Lee but he should have enough, probably the most profitable fight for him out there at the moment.
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 20, 2015, 07:40:56 AM
Well it sounds like Lee v Saunders is gonna be made with Thomond Park the venue in September. Tough one for Lee but he should have enough, probably the most profitable fight for him out there at the moment.
Saunders not dangerous?
Beat Eubanks Junior easy enough thee a while back.....
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Well it sounds like Lee v Saunders is gonna be made with Thomond Park the venue in September. Tough one for Lee but he should have enough, probably the most profitable fight for him out there at the moment.
Saunders not dangerous?
Beat Eubanks Junior easy enough thee a while back.....
Did he win easy enough? Was hanging on a bit in the second half of that fight!
Looks like Paul Smith has made a bit of a joke of himself for tonight's fight with Andre Ward. Missed the 172 catch weight by over 4.5lb. Agreed with Wards team on a weight of 181 for the AM weight check and came in at 184.4. Fight goes ahead but losing 25% of his purse. Surely it's a major fcuk up for a boxer not to make weight!
That Paul Smith weight issue seems very strange. How can he miss it by that much?? I was reading there about the morning weigh in at 184.4 lbs yet his last fight he was 165.5lbs! There seems to be a lot of talk about catch weight fights the past few weeks anyway.
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 20, 2015, 10:14:04 PM
That Paul Smith weight issue seems very strange. How can he miss it by that much?? I was reading there about the morning weigh in at 184.4 lbs yet his last fight he was 165.5lbs! There seems to be a lot of talk about catch weight fights the past few weeks anyway.
It's so way off that you'd think it was done on purpose. Is he hoping to be much heavier and pack a harder punch? Knowing that a punchers chance us his only chance. Smith always struck me as being a limited but very professional guy and I just can't see someone coming out of Joe Gallaghers gym being so badly prepared.
Seen Broner and Porter on on night there, Porter winning handy enough until the last round when Broner unexpectedly put him on his ass, held on tho and a cracking 12th round was had to boot!
Porter by UD
Is there any boxer more dislike able than Broner?
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 21, 2015, 04:51:54 AM
Seen Broner and Porter on on night there, Porter winning handy enough until the last round when Broner unexpectedly put him on his ass, held on tho and a cracking 12th round was had to boot!
Porter by UD
Is there any boxer more dislike able than Broner?
I don't mind characters like Broner as long as he backs it up in the ring. Mouthing off like he does, then fighting like a bum who won't engage and holds all night just makes him look silly. Every time Broner has stepped up in quality he has been outclassed. Surely his big money earning days are numbered?
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 20, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 20, 2015, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 20, 2015, 07:40:56 AM
Well it sounds like Lee v Saunders is gonna be made with Thomond Park the venue in September. Tough one for Lee but he should have enough, probably the most profitable fight for him out there at the moment.
Saunders not dangerous?
Beat Eubanks Junior easy enough thee a while back.....
Did he win easy enough? Was hanging on a bit in the second half of that fight!
Looks like Paul Smith has made a bit of a joke of himself for tonight's fight with Andre Ward. Missed the 172 catch weight by over 4.5lb. Agreed with Wards team on a weight of 181 for the AM weight check and came in at 184.4. Fight goes ahead but losing 25% of his purse. Surely it's a major fcuk up for a boxer not to make weight!
Eubank left it late but thought Saunders bossed him.
Eubank was the better fighter for the majority of the second half of the fight.
As for Smith, it was too much to be a mistake. I would say that he went in heavier than he should have to have a bit more weight behind his punches.
A lot of catch-weight fights recently which are making a joke out the weights, there are valid reasons for certain catch weights but there are others which are taking the hand as they are heavily suiting one fighter and putting another at a deadly disadvantage. Porter had to drain away down for the Broner fight, thankfully he came through.
Also surprised that not more of these AM weigh-ins are performed as it is a joke that for years you had fighters coming in at possibly a stone or more heavier than an opponent on the day of a fight in comparison to what they weighted during the official weigh-in.
Unbelievably there are reports of De La Hoya making a cone back. Supposedly only wants to fight the best and see May weather and GGG mentioned. Was never a DLH fan but for his sake I hope this is a joke. Scary to think what GGG would do to him
He's full of it.
There's been alot of shite talked lately regarding GGG: Froch, Mayweather, Ward now DLH. At least Cotto has pretty much said he wont fight him.
As much chance as Mayeather fightin him as delaHoya.... in other words none!
Don't know whats behind it all, think that Golovkin is desperate for a fight so he is upping the slabbering. Not sure it will get him a fight tho as its doesnt change things.... lower rated fighters know they are on hiding to nothing and the big guys dont want to be taken of their perch
Another great victory for Katie. Never in doubt
Quote from: gerrykeegan on June 27, 2015, 02:38:02 PM
Another great victory for Katie. Never in doubt
She's brilliant.
I think there is a guy from Laois fighting for Gold today aswell?
Quote from: gerrykeegan on June 27, 2015, 02:38:02 PM
Another great victory for Katie. Never in doubt
I missed the final, I supposed that the semi final was the real final
Strange enough I thought, that only 2 of the 3 judges gave her the last round in that semi final, I thought she had that last round by a clear margin
Not strange in a dubious way because that judge was the only one who gave her the nod in round 2.
GOLD for Laois!!
Ref Pat Russell had a bit of a nightmare in the Bradley vs Vargas fight there now. Bradley had a fairly comfortable points cushion going into the last round. vargas had Bradley out on his feet in the final seconds of the round. Ref mistook the 10 second clapper for the bell and signalled the end of the fight. Vargas thought he had just been awarded a TKO and was celebrating like mad. After the confusion had been cleared up they went to the cards. Bradley was awarded the fight on the cards 117 - 111, 116 - 112, 115 - 112. Max Kellerman's first post fight interview was with the ref not either of the fighters. I say the ref will be calling it a day after that, fair play to him for facing the cameras straight afterwards.
Quote from: laoislad on June 27, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
GOLD for Laois!!
O'Reilly was great. Massive underdog against the Azerbaijani, even after the first 2 rounds, though the other lad looked a shade classier, but a super last round from O'Reilly got him the deserved victory.
I thought Katie was blessed to get the decision in the semi, but was very good in the final
Hmm... just spotted that the next Frampton fight is on FTA (Terestial) TV in the states.
Great for myself, however Im not sure if its a great move by his promoters, the fight is on the undercard of the Chavez Jr fight, but from what I understand it wont be shown on that package. This means that they'll be relying on the exposure of the FTA TV and their own marketing (Which is not likely to be much) and not piggy backing on the Chavez Jr marketing. Still I suppose maybe he gets his own (albeit limited) independent exposure.
When you consider where Carl is coming from to the level this fight is in the states you gotta wonder if its worth it. At that weight etc ATM there isnt the interest. Rigondeax is the best fighter in the division but he aint a big draw in the states so if he was gonna fight him it would likely be in Belfast. The most money he would generate is likely from a Quigg fight but it also is a fight that would take place In Ireland/England
On a side note Chavez Jr is a great draw but he aint no chip of the old block!
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 01, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
Hmm... just spotted that the next Frampton fight is on FTA (Terestial) TV in the states.
Great for myself, however Im not sure if its a great move by his promoters, the fight is on the undercard of the Chavez Jr fight, but from what I understand it wont be shown on that package. This means that they'll be relying on the exposure of the FTA TV and their own marketing (Which is not likely to be much) and not piggy backing on the Chavez Jr marketing. Still I suppose maybe he gets his own (albeit limited) independent exposure.
When you consider where Carl is coming from to the level this fight is in the states you gotta wonder if its worth it. At that weight etc ATM there isnt the interest. Rigondeax is the best fighter in the division but he aint a big draw in the states so if he was gonna fight him it would likely be in Belfast. The most money he would generate is likely from a Quigg fight but it also is a fight that would take place In Ireland/England
On a side note Chavez Jr is a great draw but he aint no chip of the old block!
Bit mystified with this fight myself.... Be very little fans heading over also, so completely on his own... Is it purely American exposure (now limited if you're right) and big purse??
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Quote from: omaghjoe on July 01, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
Hmm... just spotted that the next Frampton fight is on FTA (Terestial) TV in the states.
Great for myself, however Im not sure if its a great move by his promoters, the fight is on the undercard of the Chavez Jr fight, but from what I understand it wont be shown on that package. This means that they'll be relying on the exposure of the FTA TV and their own marketing (Which is not likely to be much) and not piggy backing on the Chavez Jr marketing. Still I suppose maybe he gets his own (albeit limited) independent exposure.
When you consider where Carl is coming from to the level this fight is in the states you gotta wonder if its worth it. At that weight etc ATM there isnt the interest. Rigondeax is the best fighter in the division but he aint a big draw in the states so if he was gonna fight him it would likely be in Belfast. The most money he would generate is likely from a Quigg fight but it also is a fight that would take place In Ireland/England
On a side note Chavez Jr is a great draw but he aint no chip of the old block!
Bit mystified with this fight myself.... Be very little fans heading over also, so completely on his own... Is it purely American exposure (now limited if you're right) and big purse??
I looked in to going from Seattle. It's not the handiest spot to get to, it will be hotter than hell and it's a rough town, close to the border, known for it's problems.
it's not the platform I would launch US exposure from but who knows what the master plan is here lads...
Wouldn't be the handiest place to get to now old El Paso and it suffers a bit of rep due its proximate to Juarez don't know whether its justified or not, but it is a place that seems to host a lot of fights. Im guessing the opportunity came on the under card of Chazez Jr and they took it, not considering alot about the location, opponent etc just the chance to get the foot in the US door. Although if its not actually going to be shown with the Chavez Jr fight, it seems to take alot of that benefit away
Not sure if the promoters have a full understanding of how it works in America. I would hate to see a repeat of the McGuigan fiasco where one of our best fighters is cajoled into fighting in unfavourable conditions and loses against a mediocre opponent, especially when the rewards may be futile.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 01, 2015, 08:56:37 PM
Wouldn't be the handiest place to get to now old El Paso and it suffers a bit of rep due its proximate to Juarez don't know whether its justified or not, but it is a place that seems to host a lot of fights. Im guessing the opportunity came on the under card of Chazez Jr and they took it, not considering alot about the location, opponent etc just the chance to get the foot in the US door. Although if its not actually going to be shown with the Chavez Jr fight, it seems to take alot of that benefit away
Not sure if the promoters have a full understanding of how it works in America. I would hate to see a repeat of the McGuigan fiasco where one of our best fighters is cajoled into fighting in unfavourable conditions and loses against a mediocre opponent, especially when the rewards may be futile.
Funny, that ran through my head too. The money for this division doesnt seem to be in America.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on July 01, 2015, 08:56:37 PM
Wouldn't be the handiest place to get to now old El Paso and it suffers a bit of rep due its proximate to Juarez don't know whether its justified or not, but it is a place that seems to host a lot of fights. Im guessing the opportunity came on the under card of Chazez Jr and they took it, not considering alot about the location, opponent etc just the chance to get the foot in the US door. Although if its not actually going to be shown with the Chavez Jr fight, it seems to take alot of that benefit away
Not sure if the promoters have a full understanding of how it works in America. I would hate to see a repeat of the McGuigan fiasco where one of our best fighters is cajoled into fighting in unfavourable conditions and loses against a mediocre opponent, especially when the rewards may be futile.
Funny, that ran through my head too. The money for this division doesnt seem to be in America.
I'd say most of us thought something similar but surely McGuigan couldn't let that happen given his own experience?
Aye youd think that Cike
Actually I just had a thought...could the aim of this to be as a precursor to a bout with Leo Santa Cruz? Maybe aiming to be on the under card of Canelo - Cotto in Nov?.......IF that is the logic then a least there appears to be some sorta strategy.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 01, 2015, 10:31:26 PM
Aye youd think that Cike
Actually I just had a thought...could the aim of this to be as a precursor to a bout with Leo Santa Cruz? Maybe aiming to be on the under card of Canelo - Cotto in Nov?.......IF that is the logic then a least there appears to be some sorta strategy.
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Not sure, some good boxers in division but it Def isn't boxoffice type stuff for wider America. No idea really on the numbers but i'd have thought they would both stand to make more headlining Belfast than that under card?
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Quote from: omaghjoe on July 01, 2015, 08:56:37 PM
Wouldn't be the handiest place to get to now old El Paso and it suffers a bit of rep due its proximate to Juarez don't know whether its justified or not, but it is a place that seems to host a lot of fights. Im guessing the opportunity came on the under card of Chazez Jr and they took it, not considering alot about the location, opponent etc just the chance to get the foot in the US door. Although if its not actually going to be shown with the Chavez Jr fight, it seems to take alot of that benefit away
Not sure if the promoters have a full understanding of how it works in America. I would hate to see a repeat of the McGuigan fiasco where one of our best fighters is cajoled into fighting in unfavourable conditions and loses against a mediocre opponent, especially when the rewards may be futile.
Funny, that ran through my head too. The money for this division doesnt seem to be in America.
I'd say most of us thought something similar but surely McGuigan couldn't let that happen given his own experience?
The fight is in an indoor, air conditioned arena
Fury vs Klitschko confirmed for October
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Fury vs Klitschko confirmed for October
Fury any chance?
If Klitschko dies before the fight - maybe
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Fury vs Klitschko confirmed for October
Fury any chance?
Fury has a punchers chance but Klitschko will box the lugs off him and win on a wide points margin.
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Fury vs Klitschko confirmed for October
Fury any chance?
Fury has a punchers chance but Klitschko will box the lugs off him and win on a wide points margin.
Lesser men have floored big Tyson. It's his moment in the sun but there's a huge gulf between the 2
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Fury vs Klitschko confirmed for October
Fury any chance?
Fury has a punchers chance but Klitschko will box the lugs off him and win on a wide points margin.
Lesser men have floored big Tyson. It's his moment in the sun but there's a huge gulf between the 2
There is a huge gulf but I just don't think Klitschko will be taking at risks at this stage of his career and will stay behind his jab. Tyson has plenty of awkward ability but he just doesn't look like he is ever in proper shape. I seen on Twitter, his coach Peter Fury, last week, praising the work Tyson was doing in training saying he was on schedule to lose 2 stone in two weeks hot weather training. That's just mental if that's how he goes about preparing for a fight he's known about for quite a while. Though it's probably all bullshit...
It will be interesting to see Klitschko not enjoy the physical advantages over Fury that he does over every other fighter he has fought. Klitschko is nothing special in the grand scheme of things, he won't be able to hide behind his jab against Fury either and will never have faced anybody with the unpredictability of Fury. I can see Fury winning this.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2015, 09:31:51 AM
It will be interesting to see Klitschko not enjoy the physical advantages over Fury that he does over every other fighter he has fought. Klitschko is nothing special in the grand scheme of things, he won't be able to hide behind his jab against Fury either and will never have faced anybody with the unpredictability of Fury. I can see Fury winning this.
Fury is a huge man, but is a fairly poor operator in the ring imo. The heavyweight division has been so poor for a long time. The Klitschko's have dominated the heavyweight division during the worst period in the division's history. They wouldn't have during any decent period. Fury wont buck the trend. (Lennox Lewis was a bluffer too during this period...just wanted to add that bit :) )
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2015, 09:31:51 AM
It will be interesting to see Klitschko not enjoy the physical advantages over Fury that he does over every other fighter he has fought. Klitschko is nothing special in the grand scheme of things, he won't be able to hide behind his jab against Fury either and will never have faced anybody with the unpredictability of Fury. I can see Fury winning this.
Absolute rubbish.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2015, 09:31:51 AM
It will be interesting to see Klitschko not enjoy the physical advantages over Fury that he does over every other fighter he has fought. Klitschko is nothing special in the grand scheme of things, he won't be able to hide behind his jab against Fury either and will never have faced anybody with the unpredictability of Fury. I can see Fury winning this.
WTF ? What does he have to do to be something special????
Suppose its not Klitschko's fault that there has been no real challenges...
Agree with the previous comment that lesser men have made Big Tyson wobble.
Anybody ever do the same to the Klitschko's...
Remember the Haye fight being a walk in the park for one of the bro's....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on July 07, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Suppose its not Klitschko's fault that there has been no real challenges...
Agree with the previous comment that lesser men have made Big Tyson wobble.
Anybody ever do the same to the Klitschko's...
Remember the Haye fight being a walk in the park for one of the bro's....
Eh sure that didn't count as Haye was injured . . .
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If you strip away his physical advantages over his opponents (which wouldn't/couldn't happen in any other division) he is nothing special from a technical perspective. Not his fault obviously, but how would he fare if he was fighting people his size on a frequent basis and not men far smaller than him?
Technically he's very good. Great jab and defense. The problem is it's horribly boring to watch. He also has a glass jaw, which is what you should have picked on if you wanted to criticise him.
Quote from: Syferus on July 08, 2015, 01:20:37 PM
Technically he's very good. Great jab and defense. The problem is it's horribly boring to watch. He also has a glass jaw, which is what you should have picked on if you wanted to criticise him.
He is boring to watch because he is fighting men far smaller than him. The same applies to the jab, it looks great because he is jabbing away at someone who can't get near him due to his reach and height advantages. How good his jab is will be seen against someone of similar size, i.e. Fury.
You really should read this article
http://www.heavyweightblog.com/3369/vitali-klitschko-outsizes-opponents
and this from Wiki ( i know , i know)
Overall, he is the second longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time and has the second most successful title defenses total of any heavyweight boxer with 23 (including his "super" title recognition), behind just Joe Louis (25) and ahead of Larry Holmes (20) and Muhammad Ali (19). He currently has 18 consecutive title defenses, behind Joe Louis's 25 consecutive title defenses and Larry Holmes's 20 consecutive title defenses. On October 13, 2013, Boxrec rated Klitschko as the number two pound-for-pound fighter in the world. On 15 November 2014, he reached a career peak of number two on the pound-for-pound list of The Ring. Klitschko is tied on the all-time list for most heavyweight title fights with Joe Louis as they both have appeared in 27 heavyweight title fights.
Joshua to fight Whyte next, about time he challenges someone other than a punchbag.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2015, 10:32:33 AM
Joshua to fight Whyte next, about time he challenges someone other than a punchbag.
Not that he was special, but nobody ever stopped Kevin Johnson until AJ blew him away.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2015, 10:32:33 AM
Joshua to fight Whyte next, about time he challenges someone other than a punchbag.
Not that he was special, but nobody ever stopped Kevin Johnson until AJ blew him away.
On paper it's impressive to stop him, but from any of the fights I have saw of Johnson recently, and especially in the Joshua one, there was no offensive threat whatsoever. I don't buy into the hype with Joshua, got a few very lucky decisions at the Olympics and so far has fought a lot of chumps. Glad to the calibre of opponent increase, Whyte will not sit back and hopefully see him challenge the like of David Price in the near future too.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2015, 10:32:33 AM
Joshua to fight Whyte next, about time he challenges someone other than a punchbag.
Not that he was special, but nobody ever stopped Kevin Johnson until AJ blew him away.
On paper it's impressive to stop him, but from any of the fights I have saw of Johnson recently, and especially in the Joshua one, there was no offensive threat whatsoever. I don't buy into the hype with Joshua, got a few very lucky decisions at the Olympics and so far has fought a lot of chumps. Glad to the calibre of opponent increase, Whyte will not sit back and hopefully see him challenge the like of David Price in the near future too.
f**k you have high standards.
He turned pro in May 2013 and since then he has fought 13 times which is not bad going in just over 2 years. Of course he is going to bedded in easy at the start, he would be an absolute idiot to fight high quality straight away.
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Quote from: gallsman on July 10, 2015, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2015, 10:32:33 AM
Joshua to fight Whyte next, about time he challenges someone other than a punchbag.
Not that he was special, but nobody ever stopped Kevin Johnson until AJ blew him away.
On paper it's impressive to stop him, but from any of the fights I have saw of Johnson recently, and especially in the Joshua one, there was no offensive threat whatsoever. I don't buy into the hype with Joshua, got a few very lucky decisions at the Olympics and so far has fought a lot of chumps. Glad to the calibre of opponent increase, Whyte will not sit back and hopefully see him challenge the like of David Price in the near future too.
Agree with this but still think he'll end up at the top.........
Did I just read Klitschko was poor technically? WOW. That's the most ignorant comment I've read on this site in quite some time. He is a supreme technician. Superb jab and defence and is a top 10 HW ever for me.
Rigondeaux V Lomachenko nearly finalised apparently! Two of the best boxers in the business.
Carl Froch retires. Much as he was a twat outside of the ring, he was a proper warrior inside. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/33516495
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 14, 2015, 09:40:05 AM
Carl Froch retires. Much as he was a twat outside of the ring, he was a proper warrior inside. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/33516495
Damn, wanted to see him against GGG.
Never ducked anyone and off top of my head don't recall him taking many easy options at all.
Quote from: ludermor on July 07, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 07, 2015, 09:31:51 AM
It will be interesting to see Klitschko not enjoy the physical advantages over Fury that he does over every other fighter he has fought. Klitschko is nothing special in the grand scheme of things, he won't be able to hide behind his jab against Fury either and will never have faced anybody with the unpredictability of Fury. I can see Fury winning this.
WTF ? What does he have to do to be something special????
Klitschko is a special boxer, what the hell can he do if the standard of opponents he faces are substandard, thats not his fault, him and the brother are the best in the world at what they do, that makes them special in the way the Joker is the best at tennis or McIlroy is the best in golf!
So Mayweather looks like he is going to fight Berto in his "final" fight. Hardly sets the pulse racing and really highlights how frustrating the matchmaking has become in boxing. http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/21149-source-mayweather-will-fight-berto-on-cbs
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 15, 2015, 10:03:55 AM
So Mayweather looks like he is going to fight Berto in his "final" fight. Hardly sets the pulse racing and really highlights how frustrating the matchmaking has become in boxing. http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/21149-source-mayweather-will-fight-berto-on-cbs
I wont miss Mayweather, he is a blight on the sport but he will fight again after he saunters through this next one.
I just watched round one this morning of Hagler Hearns, one of the best rounds of boxing ever.
So David Price spectacularly sparked out again tonight in round 2. The fella just can't survive a big punch. End of the road for him I'd imagine.
Folks, what time is Frampton on the tv tonight? It's not 3 in the morning is it?
Quote from: An Watcher on July 18, 2015, 07:23:27 AM
Folks, what time is Frampton on the tv tonight? It's not 3 in the morning is it?
9.45
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2015, 11:14:05 PM
So David Price spectacularly sparked out again tonight in round 2. The fella just can't survive a big punch. End of the road for him I'd imagine.
Time to give it up or he'll go the way of Maccarinelli. Fella he was fighting didn't look to be in, eh, tip top condition either.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 18, 2015, 07:23:27 AM
Folks, what time is Frampton on the tv tonight? It's not 3 in the morning is it?
They are having two separate bills.... Afternoon fights then the main event with Chavez junior on ppv later that night.....
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Quote from: An Watcher on July 18, 2015, 07:23:27 AM
Folks, what time is Frampton on the tv tonight? It's not 3 in the morning is it?
They are having two separate bills.... Afternoon fights then the main event with Chavez junior on ppv later that night.....
Did I read somewhere that Chavez didn't make weight? This seems to be happening a lot recently.
Big night of boxing with Frampton fighting and Quigg and Crolla in big fights too. Decent fight between Abrham and Stigliez too. Preceded by 3 live GAA games, it's a decent day/night on the box!!
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Quote from: An Watcher on July 18, 2015, 07:23:27 AM
Folks, what time is Frampton on the tv tonight? It's not 3 in the morning is it?
They are having two separate bills.... Afternoon fights then the main event with Chavez junior on ppv later that night.....
Did I read somewhere that Chavez didn't make weight? This seems to be happening a lot recently.
Big night of boxing with Frampton fighting and Quigg and Crolla in big fights too. Decent fight between Abrham and Stigliez too. Preceded by 3 live GAA games, it's a decent day/night on the box!!
I think Quigg will lose tonight and Carl's fight will be awkward for a bit but Carl looks the stronger looking fighter so should come out on top... 5/6 rounds though he's looking an earlier knockout
Did chavez miss the weight?? thats 3 fighters in he last 3months i caionn think off. All on the PBC
some good wins for the local lads so far - looks like Conrad has really tightened up his game.
C'mon Framps.
Two knock downs means a 10-7 round?
What the holy hell was that first round about.
This is a nightmare from frampton! And quigg won in 2 rounds!
This is turning into a hell of a fight. Hopefully come out the right side of it,can't chase too much,thi boys countering pretty well when he tries get in close.
This is much tougher than anyone imagined.
Quote from: beer baron on July 18, 2015, 10:27:20 PM
This is turning into a hell of a fight. Hopefully come out the right side of it,can't chase too much,thi boys countering pretty well when he tries get in close.
Wouldn't give Gonzalez anything but the first round. Made him seem better than he is. Hometown decisions though, so Frampton better keep it up.
Frampton up by three in my book with two to go. Gave Gonzalez the second and ninth in addition to the 10-7. He should be docked another point though.
Quote from: gallsman on July 18, 2015, 10:51:51 PM
Frampton up by three in my book with two to go. Gave Gonzalez the second and ninth in addition to the 10-7. He should be docked another point though.
About f**king time!
Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Talking now about moving up in weight? What does that mean for Quigg fight?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 18, 2015, 11:09:59 PM
Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Certainly makes Quigg fight more interesting because before tonight I wouldn't have given Quigg a chance.
Carl needs to reign in those excuses - soft canvas, weight issues?
I dunno if I buy that chat about weight. If he had to cut drastically the last few days, it'd be down to poor management rather than biology. I don't think he wants any part of featherweight at the minute. Walters would look like an absolute monster beside him.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 18, 2015, 11:09:59 PM
Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quigg had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.
McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 18, 2015, 11:09:59 PM
Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.
McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.
Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.
Some amount of low blows in the fights tonight. Points deductions have this Crolla's fight.
A profile in the states ? Wise up. I don't think Frampton has a profile off the back of a fight that was staged at 3pm in the afternoon in the US against a fighter that isn't even ranked within the top 50 of his division (box rec)
Don't think a move up in weight would be a good idea either Gallsman.
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Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.
McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.
Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.
It's being aired nationally on CBS - people in the States will know Frampton's name and after an exciting fight like that he'll be flooded with card offers in the States. I'm not fecking saying he's going to be main-eventing in the MGM. Quigg wouldn't be known from Adam even in casual boxing circles in the U.S.
He now has more options and isn't as reliant on the Framps-Quigg fight to make money as Quigg is. Unless Hearn cops that he can't play hardball and gets serious I fully expect Frampton to call his bluff and build his profile in the States and forget about the Quigg fight in the near term.
Thought Crolla was robbed there especially with the 2 point deduction. How can 3 judges score it so different?
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 18, 2015, 11:09:59 PM
Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.
McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.
Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.
It's being aired nationally on CBS - people in the States will know Frampton's name and after an exciting fight like that he'll be flooded with card offers in the States. I'm not fecking saying he's going to be main-eventing in the MGM. Quigg wouldn't be known from Adam even in casual boxing circles in the U.S.
He now has more options and isn't as reliant on the Framps-Quigg fight to make money as Quigg is. Unless Hearn cops that he can't play hardball and gets serious I fully expect Frampton to call his bluff and build his profile in the States and forget about the Quigg fight in the near term.
If Rigo goes up to fight Lomachenko, who's left in the division for him to fight AND make serious money off? Quigg is his cash cow at super bantam. I don't think he has the size for feather so Santa Cruz, Mares etc all looking like very, very long shots in my book
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Frampton showed great character and composure to come back from that nightmare of a first round.
Biggest winner of the night is Eddie Hearn. His bargaining power to make Frampton vs Quigg happen on matchroom's terms looking a whole lot healthier after tonight's proceedings.
Doubt it highly. Framps fought a tough Mexican in borderland USA on a canvas clearly designed for Chavez Jr. - he pull the exact same BS in the Andy Lee fight. Quit had the royal treatment at home. The pace on a proper canvas in Manchester was a world away. Kiko is exciting but so fecking full of holes it isn't funny.
McGuigan will be no more receptive to hardball by Hearn now that his fighter has a profile in the States.
Let's not get carried away. He's had one fight in a half empty arena in the middle of the afternoon. He does not "have a profile" just yet.
It's being aired nationally on CBS - people in the States will know Frampton's name and after an exciting fight like that he'll be flooded with card offers in the States. Quigg wouldn't be known from Adam even in casual boxing circles in the U.S.
He now has much more options and isn't as reliant on the Framps-Quigg fight to make money as Quigg is. Unless Hearn cops that he can't play hardball and gets serious I fully expect Frampton to call his bluff and build his profile in the States and forget about the Quigg fight in the near term.
Frampton won't make anywhere near as much money for a fight in the U.S as he will fighting Quigg in Manchester or Belfast. Profile is all very well but who is the opponent that the America public are crying out for Frampton to fight? He will fill under cards in America and no more. The Quigg fight will happen, just a matter of who will be in the best position to negotiate the highest percentage when it does. Tonight shifted that power very slightly towards Quigg as he was very impressive.
Crolla's definitely hard done by there. Thought the points deductions would have seen him through.
Who do you see as being one of these fighters that would be looking for Frampton and which would make for a big fight in the states Syferus ?
Milltown expecting a post from you. Not meaning to come across as negative towards Carl here, I'm a fan as you know. Just think tonight has an impact on what his next steps are.
Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2015, 12:10:45 AM
Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.
Frampton is leagues beyond someone like McCloskey. He's already proven to be in the top bracket in the world in his weight. I can't believe you'd even type that with a straight face ONiell.
Maybe. But I know I'm correct. He didn't do it tonight against someone ranked 13th in his own country's rankings for that weight.
Explain how he proved he's in the top bracket?
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2015, 12:50:56 AM
Maybe. But I know I'm correct. He didn't do it tonight against someone ranked 13th in his own country's rankings for that weight.
Explain how he proved he's in the top bracket?
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-featherweight
He is literally in the top two in the world in the most respected world rankings in boxing. He's been ranked in the top ten in the world for almost three years straight to boot. You've compared him to someone who never looked at comfort outside of European level. It's a mad comparison to make ONeill.
Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?
Since I first saw Frampton he's looked classy. He's progressively got better and better over the last few years. A tough fight in America changes féck all. Indeed tough might be pushing what happened - after the first round Frampton controlled that fight bar maybe the 9th and 10th rounds. Trying to use that performance as a stick to beat him in the face of his body of work is a little OTT to say the least.
Which fight made you realise he's in the top bracket?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 18, 2015, 11:55:40 PM
Crolla's definitely hard done by there. Thought the points deductions would have seen him through.
Who do you see as being one of these fighters that would be looking for Frampton and which would make for a big fight in the states Syferus ?
Milltown expecting a post from you. Not meaning to come across as negative towards Carl here, I'm a fan as you know. Just think tonight has an impact on what his next steps are.
What can I say, he dodged a bullet tonight in my book, was happy about this fight from the very start, originally he'd a fight in New york/Boston then it was changed to El Paso... I thought then and there he was being hijacked... My father inlaw (who's carls uncle) also thought this was a lot tighter than people predicted... I thought that his tactics were wrong probably down to not respecting the opponent and going for a knockout Carl looked heavy footed and had no fire in his belly... While the knockdowns were good hits I don't think they were punishing hits.. As for going up a weight that's silly, Carl is very small and he's been fighting at that weight easily for a lot of years and there has never been weight issues... The canvas was the same for both fighters.
I think on reflection he'll be glad to get home with the belt and rest up and reassess his options he's still the champion of a real belt. Quigg has done really well didn't expect it to be that easy but Carl is still the main event between the two of them....
Carl gave the Mexican great plaudits after the fight in fairness but probably gave out too many excuses for his poorer than expected performance.... I'd 20 people in house shouting at the tv last night! Some very relieved relatives when the correct decision was given
Moving up in weight doesn't make sense. I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy. He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.
Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.
Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance. Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him. Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up. Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 19, 2015, 10:04:12 AM
Moving up in weight doesn't make sense. I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy. He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.
Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.
Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance. Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him. Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up. Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.
He's always met the weight with no difficulty... Its just one of those fight seen him in Ulster Hall fighting a tall Scottish fighter which went the unexpected distance then also.... Lessons need to be learned when boxing these type of fighters, is this management?
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Moving up in weight doesn't make sense. I could be wrong but I thought he had said in interview about a week before the fight he was making weight fairly easy. He had a height and reach disadvantage last night, moving up in weight will make that a common occurrence.
Fighting outside of Belfast was always going to be a big step, he's returning with a victory and while he hasn't performed as he wanted to, he is still amongst the best of his division and beats Scott Quigg if they meet.
Was surprised at the manner of the Quigg victory. i felt Martinez was going to be in with a real chance. Need to watch the fight back but after the 1st round I thought Quigg had a tough night's work ahead of him. Martinez could have been smarter and taken his time after the 1st knockdown rather than try get straight back up. Flicked straight over to the Frampton fight and didn't see Martinez's post fight interview, not sure if he even did one but would be interested to hear his views on what happened.
He's always met the weight with no difficulty... Its just one of those fight seen him in Ulster Hall fighting a tall Scottish fighter which went the unexpected distance then also.... Lessons need to be learned when boxing these type of fighters, is this management?
A lot of people wouldn't be convinced my McGuigan's style and tactics. There was a lot of "I made Carl" and "I brought Carl" in the interview shown before the fight. I'm not sure selling your soul to Al Haymon is the right answer either. If Frampton had been knocked out last night, I can't imagine rebuilding his career would have been high on Haymon's list of priorities.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2015, 12:10:45 AM
Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.
Its obviously a wind up comment from Oneill but I'll bite anyway.
Very unfair to say that Frampton is the same as McCloskey. Number 1, McCloskey was only ever a good enough European level fighter and never held a world title which Frampton has. Number 2, McCloskey lacked the natural power at his weight to really trouble opponents, the same cannot be said of Frampton who has real clout when he plants his feet.
I for one was glad to see Frampton being pushed to the pin of his collar, it maybe shows him now what level he needs to be at to compete at the very highest level and the knockdowns will show him that he is not invincible and has to be more aware of his defensive duties. He also was very rash I felt in the pocket where he is normally so good. Gonzalez could bang himself and sometimes Frampton got into a swinging match which at times you feared the worst on Saturday night if he got caught. He will analyse the fight though, look at where he went wrong and improve upon it. Thats how you progress at anything. He is still undefeated and near enough dominated the rest of the fight after the first 2 rounds and several low blows. Make no mistake about it, Gonzalez was one hardy boy who could take a punch and still keep coming. Locals where apparently saying that this was going to be a lot closer fight than bookies and the general public thought. Ill give credit to Frampton and think he can move onto bigger things from this. He fought in El Paso, Texas at 4pm in the day and came away with the win. There is a lot of positive to take from that.
I still think he beats Quigg. I watched the Martinez-Quigg fight and to me, Martinez is damaged goods who is now afraid to take a punch. Martinez also looked a little out of shape to me on Saturday night, looked a bit soft around the mid section, usually he is in pretty good shape. After bullying Quigg for the first round, he went down as soon as Quigg landed the first decent punch on him in the 2nd round. After that he didn't want to know and was glad to get out of there. He hasn't been the same since he got knocked out against Frampton.
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Frampton was shown up tonight as an OK fighter. Same as McCloskey - he looks good against hand-picked warm-ups but as soon as you go looking for genuine fighters they'll struggle.
Its obviously a wind up comment from Oneill but I'll bite anyway.
Very unfair to say that Frampton is the same as McCloskey. Number 1, McCloskey was only ever a good enough European level fighter and never held a world title which Frampton has. Number 2, McCloskey lacked the natural power at his weight to really trouble opponents, the same cannot be said of Frampton who has real clout when he plants his feet.
I for one was glad to see Frampton being pushed to the pin of his collar, it maybe shows him now what level he needs to be at to compete at the very highest level and the knockdowns will show him that he is not invincible and has to be more aware of his defensive duties. He also was very rash I felt in the pocket where he is normally so good. Gonzalez could bang himself and sometimes Frampton got into a swinging match which at times you feared the worst on Saturday night if he got caught. He will analyse the fight though, look at where he went wrong and improve upon it. Thats how you progress at anything. He is still undefeated and near enough dominated the rest of the fight after the first 2 rounds and several low blows. Make no mistake about it, Gonzalez was one hardy boy who could take a punch and still keep coming. Locals where apparently saying that this was going to be a lot closer fight than bookies and the general public thought. Ill give credit to Frampton and think he can move onto bigger things from this. He fought in El Paso, Texas at 4pm in the day and came away with the win. There is a lot of positive to take from that.
I still think he beats Quigg. I watched the Martinez-Quigg fight and to me, Martinez is damaged goods who is now afraid to take a punch. Martinez also looked a little out of shape to me on Saturday night, looked a bit soft around the mid section, usually he is in pretty good shape. After bullying Quigg for the first round, he went down as soon as Quigg landed the first decent punch on him in the 2nd round. After that he didn't want to know and was glad to get out of there. He hasn't been the same since he got knocked out against Frampton.
Can't argue with that, there was mistakes by both parties I'd say in the Frampton/McGuigan camp, I felt that he never seemed up for the fight, no fire in the belly or focus .. Carl walked into one punch and Gonzalez caught him with a cracker for the second knockdown... It happens, What Carl did next was not panic tried various different ways of trying to break down his opponent , you are right when it got to the wild exchanges, I thought for sure he was going to get caught but Gonzalez was starting to slow down and Carl started connecting with more punches....
so lessons need to be taken from this, there are no real easy fights, never take a boxer for granted, Carl struggles against taller fighters so moving up a weight will be stupid, fight Quigg and get that monkey off his back... then go for Cruz, by then he'll have had a few defences and more than enough money to retire and enjoy his family time.
As for the McCloskey references ask someone with a bitta knowledge on boxing like Atticus Finch and he'll also back up what you said about McCloskey, watched McCloskey 2 times and he laboured in each fight, that was a silly/poor wind up by your man
Is it just me or does anyone else think Barry McGuigan is insufferable to listen to. I cant warm to the man at all.
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Is it just me or does anyone else think Barry McGuigan is insufferable to listen to. I cant warm to the man at all.
+1
I think he is the reason why a lot of people would like to see Frampton fail. He has everything that people in the North of the country could and would get behind, but then you have that other pr**k mouthing off at every opportunity and that turns people off.
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Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 20, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else think Barry McGuigan is insufferable to listen to. I cant warm to the man at all.
+1
I think he is the reason why a lot of people would like to see Frampton fail. He has everything that people in the North of the country could and would get behind, but then you have that other pr**k mouthing off at every opportunity and that turns people off.
A year or 18 months ago I would have disagreed with CL but the past while he is starting to grate on me big style. His dislike of Eddie Hearn is delaying the Quigg fight in my opinion. On the other hand I think Shane is a great trainer by the looks of it and actually talks a lot of sense. Whether he got the last fight wrong in terms of the camp and tactics is hard to know but I am sure he will learn from that too.
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Is it just me or does anyone else think Barry McGuigan is insufferable to listen to. I cant warm to the man at all.
+1
I think he is the reason why a lot of people would like to see Frampton fail. He has everything that people in the North of the country could and would get behind, but then you have that other pr**k mouthing off at every opportunity and that turns people off.
A year or 18 months ago I would have disagreed with CL but the past while he is starting to grate on me big style. His dislike of Eddie Hearn is delaying the Quigg fight in my opinion. On the other hand I think Shane is a great trainer by the looks of it and actually talks a lot of sense. Whether he got the last fight wrong in terms of the camp and tactics is hard to know but I am sure he will learn from that too.
Shane seems a more likeable character than his auld boy in fairness. He's still a really young trainer also so he will make mistakes also. It wasn't a disaster Saturday, it wasn't a great performance but he got the job done. Be very interesting to see who they line up next.
Preferably I'd like to see in this order
-Scott Quigg
-Leo Santa Cruz
-Guillermo Rigondeaux
I seen that in the last few days though there is talk in ring magazine of Quigg vs Rigondeaux
Would Donaire not still be a big draw at this weight? I don't really see anyone mentioning him for Frampton?
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 21, 2015, 02:04:26 PM
Would Donaire not still be a big draw at this weight? I don't really see anyone mentioning him for Frampton?
Think the fact that Rigondeaux completely bamboozled him and he got badly knocked out by Walters has set him back a lot. Think he's back at super bantam though.
Walters would hardly be an option for Frampton? Too big?
Is there really people as small as to want Frampton to lose because they don't like McGuigan? Pathetic if true. Frampton has been a class act in and out of the ring and deserves all the support he can get on this island.
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2015, 02:31:50 PM
Is there really people as small as to want Frampton to lose because they don't like McGuigan? Pathetic if true. Frampton has been a class act in and out of the ring and deserves all the support he can get on this island.
Yes when he has a mouthpiece like McGuigan doing all the talking for him, 'I made him' type quotes coming from BMcG certainly dont help.
People dislike BMcG he is making big money off the back of this so yeah I would say people would like to see this end even.
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Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2015, 02:31:50 PM
Is there really people as small as to want Frampton to lose because they don't like McGuigan? Pathetic if true. Frampton has been a class act in and out of the ring and deserves all the support he can get on this island.
Yes when he has a mouthpiece like McGuigan doing all the talking for him, 'I made him' type quotes coming from BMcG certainly dont help.
People dislike BMcG he is making big money off the back of this so yeah I would say people would like to see this end even.
Lads you must be very ill informed on some aspects of this, I've known Carl many years ( my wife's cuz) he's as nice a person you'll ever meet... Barry took Carl on, went to him and asked to be his first fighter, similarities were uncanny in fairness, great amateur and world champion just like Barry, Carl bought into it and Barrys promise of making him a world champion came true, Barry never took a penny off Carl until he was champion... That was his promise from the start and that's how it went... Carl stays with Barry at his home every week during training, and the only money paid out is for his coach Shane and the others involved in training, The McQuigans treat Carl like their own son... Carl also gets a cut off the Cyclone promotions company.
Outside looking in people will see Barry jumping about and saying this and that.... In my view its all promotion and bigging up Carl... It may come to a natural point in the partnership that they decide to part ways, happens in all walks off life, but for now he's got all he's wanted...
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 21, 2015, 02:17:55 PM
Walters would hardly be an option for Frampton? Too big?
I'm not suggesting it at all, just pointing out that Donaire got badly shook up by him is all.
If talk about moving up in weight is true though, Walters is the top dog in the division and theoretically someone Carl should be chasing. I don't think he'd want any of him though. Simply a monster of a featherweight.
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/394975-carl-frampton-wasnt-perfect-but-he-was-very-good-weekend-review
Interesting how the fight played outside of Ireland and Britain. They're looking at the Santa Cruz possibilities rather than the Quigg ones. And they reckon Quigg-Donaire in Dubai is where the Hearn camp are heading.
How does Mayweather make any money from this Berto fight? I assume noone will go or but ppv for what will be a non event?
heard the fight could be on network TV in America. CBS would pay decent money for it.
The only fight out there I'm interested in is Golovkin and Lemieux. Would love to be at the garden for it!
Spot on Iceman should be a cracker, Leminex has the power to at least keep GGG off and maybe even bother him. His nonexistent boxing skills should mean Golovkin has little trouble tho..
Cotto Canelo should be more interesting, well matched in power, weight and style. I don't think its officially made yet tho, but looks like Nov
Lee vs Saunders fight is postponed and is now taking place in Manchester October 10th.
Official line is that Lee has a virus, hearing that the real reason is to do with poor ticket sales for Thomond Park. Bit of a shame for Andy Lee, always comes across as a decent fella.
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Lee vs Saunders fight is postponed and is now taking place in Manchester October 10th.
Official line is that Lee has a virus, hearing that the real reason is to do with poor ticket sales for Thomond Park. Bit of a shame for Andy Lee, always comes across as a decent fella.
That's a shame alright. It meant a lot to him to defend his title here. Maybe he's too nice to be a big draw or to make enough headlines. It pays to be obnoxious in boxing/UFC.
I'm surprised too at Saunders saying admitting that Golovkin would beat either of them. Probably true but it's not good marketing.
Lee just doesn't attract the Irish publics imagination for one reason or another.
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Lee vs Saunders fight is postponed and is now taking place in Manchester October 10th.
Official line is that Lee has a virus, hearing that the real reason is to do with poor ticket sales for Thomond Park. Bit of a shame for Andy Lee, always comes across as a decent fella.
That's a shame alright. It meant a lot to him to defend his title here. Maybe he's too nice to be a big draw or to make enough headlines. It pays to be obnoxious in boxing/UFC.
I'm surprised too at Saunders saying admitting that Golovkin would beat either of them. Probably true but it's not good marketing.
LOL did he say that ;D
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Lee vs Saunders fight is postponed and is now taking place in Manchester October 10th.
Official line is that Lee has a virus, hearing that the real reason is to do with poor ticket sales for Thomond Park. Bit of a shame for Andy Lee, always comes across as a decent fella.
That's a shame alright. It meant a lot to him to defend his title here. Maybe he's too nice to be a big draw or to make enough headlines. It pays to be obnoxious in boxing/UFC.
I'm surprised too at Saunders saying admitting that Golovkin would beat either of them. Probably true but it's not good marketing.
From chatting to a few boxing fans when the fight was announced, while feeling that the bout itself had the makings of a good fight were not willing to make the trip to Limerick as they felt having two fighters with a travelling background fighting in Limerick was a recipe for crowd trouble. Also Tyrone boxing fans tell me they are busy that weekend as well ;)
Great wins today for Ward & Conlon. Only saw ward's fight, he's a beast of a man
For some reason the place was almost empty though, not sure if the tickets are too pricey or what
Seen Cotto v Canelo finally confirmed for Nov 21 at Mandalay Bay.
Should be a cracker. Canelo is a the favourite but by no means a gimmie and I could actaully see Cotto coming out of it as handy. Canelo really needs this win to kick on, he hasnt really beaten anyone of serious worth apart from a spent Shane Mosley
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-bombshell-as-head-coach-billy-walsh-quits-for-us-31481440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-bombshell-as-head-coach-billy-walsh-quits-for-us-31481440.html)
Not great news at all - more amateur administrators?
Quote from: Declan on August 27, 2015, 07:45:50 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-bombshell-as-head-coach-billy-walsh-quits-for-us-31481440.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-bombshell-as-head-coach-billy-walsh-quits-for-us-31481440.html)
Not great news at all - more amateur administrators?
Huge loss, although a program that's reliant on one man is somewhat flawed anyway
This is getting tiresome at this point
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/0901/724983-andy-lee/
Obviously the ticket weren't moving in Manchester either
::)
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 01, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
This is getting tiresome at this point
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/0901/724983-andy-lee/
Obviously the ticket weren't moving in Manchester either
::)
It'll be a hard fight to sell for a third time.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 01, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
This is getting tiresome at this point
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/0901/724983-andy-lee/
Obviously the ticket weren't moving in Manchester either
::)
It'll be a hard fight to sell for a third time.
I assume it'll just be added to the Crolla bill?
Quote from: Boycey on September 01, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 01, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
This is getting tiresome at this point
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/0901/724983-andy-lee/
Obviously the ticket weren't moving in Manchester either
::)
It'll be a hard fight to sell for a third time.
I assume it'll just be added to the Crolla bill?
That'll be a Matchroom event. I can't see Frank Warren giving up the fight to a Eddie Hearn card.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: Boycey on September 01, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 01, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 01, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
This is getting tiresome at this point
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/0901/724983-andy-lee/
Obviously the ticket weren't moving in Manchester either
::)
It'll be a hard fight to sell for a third time.
I assume it'll just be added to the Crolla bill?
That'll be a Matchroom event. I can't see Frank Warren giving up the fight to a Eddie Hearn card.
Is it indeed, guess I'm out of my depth ;D.
A long read but fascinating and really shows how corrupt elite level boxing is
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada (http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada)
Boxing has been a joke for a long time with the way people avoid this fight and that one, but Mayweathers 'final' fight is taking the biscuit. This is a man who usually runs his opponents down, brags about himself yet he has picked such an unworthy fighter that he has had to resort to trying to brag about his opponents achievements simply to make him seem like a credible opponent. Unbelievable.
Quote from: Declan on September 10, 2015, 07:59:38 AM
A long read but fascinating and really shows how corrupt elite level boxing is
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada (http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada)
Shows what a joke boxing is.
But this sounds familiar in another sport and a recent statement: "
USADA did later advise the NSAC that Mayweather's medical team told its agents that the IV was administered to address concerns related to dehydration."
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2015, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: Declan on September 10, 2015, 07:59:38 AM
A long read but fascinating and really shows how corrupt elite level boxing is
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada (http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada)
Shows what a joke boxing is.
But this sounds familiar in another sport and a recent statement: "USADA did later advise the NSAC that Mayweather's medical team told its agents that the IV was administered to address concerns related to dehydration.[/u]"
Only after posting that same link in the doping thread. Mayweather has some cheek calling people out about doping when he is likely at it himself.
as expected then
Interesting stuff there about drugs and boxing... and Mayweather. While not an expert of boxing nutrition or rehydration methods I would have just have thought the drip was just a means of rehydration but apparently not a very effective one according to the article
Anyway I have an on going debate/ discussion with a fella about Mayweather v GGG. He reckons its stupid idea as Golovkin is way bigger naturally than Mayweather and that it would not be fair on Mayweather. I always counter that while that may be true you fight what the challenge is and there is none out there for him, and besides Canelo hydrates to a heavier weight than Golovkin and Mayweather had no problem fighting him. He counters back that I only want it to see Mayweather get beat (which is prob true!). But I dont think that its as ridiculous as proposition as he is making out. The real BS going around at the moment is the Rhonda Rousey v a Man.
Anyway Mayweather has had his last fight he has declared (only no one believes it). So who is now the top P4P fighter then?? My vote goes to Roman Gonzalez.
George Groves beat in his 3rd world title fight at the weekend as well! Is he just not up to that world level? Not sure what his options are now he will probably have to go crawling to James DeGale and take the fight on whatever terms he gives him. I can't see him beating DeGale. A move back to Adam Booth might be his best option too although not sure what the fall out was about there?
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 14, 2015, 08:52:27 AM
George Groves beat in his 3rd world title fight at the weekend as well! Is he just not up to that world level? Not sure what his options are now he will probably have to go crawling to James DeGale and take the fight on whatever terms he gives him. I can't see him beating DeGale. A move back to Adam Booth might be his best option too although not sure what the fall out was about there?
Nope, doesn't seem up to it at highest level. Doesn't have the engine and without truly concussive power he seems is always likely to struggle in the championship rounds
Quote from: CiKe on September 14, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 14, 2015, 08:52:27 AM
George Groves beat in his 3rd world title fight at the weekend as well! Is he just not up to that world level? Not sure what his options are now he will probably have to go crawling to James DeGale and take the fight on whatever terms he gives him. I can't see him beating DeGale. A move back to Adam Booth might be his best option too although not sure what the fall out was about there?
Nope, doesn't seem up to it at highest level. Doesn't have the engine and without truly concussive power he seems is always likely to struggle in the championship rounds
Hasn't been the same since he was cobra'd in front of 80,000 people at Wembley ;)
Apparently strong rumours that Quigg v Frampton is close to being announced! Fingers crossed!
I see the Klitchko Fury fight is off - apparently to do with an injury to Klitchko.
Is there any chance Klitchko wanted out as the conference descended into such a farce he can't be bothered beating Fury?
Quote from: WT4E on September 25, 2015, 02:04:08 PM
I see the Klitchko Fury fight is off - apparently to do with an injury to Klitchko.
Is there any chance Klitchko wanted out as the conference descended into such a farce he can't be bothered beating Fury?
Either that is the case or he is afraid of losing, or he is actually injured. Is there any impartial verification of injuries in the cases when fights are called off? It will be rescheduled anyway.
Fury will be some craic on twitter now.
I feel a bit sorry for Fury. He's a complete bell end but he's good value and is genuinely up for a fight with anyone. The man is a professional fighter and now 3 massive fights have been lost through opponents pulling out. His career has been pretty much stop start for about 3 years now due to Haye and now Klitchko withdrawal. I hope he finally gets his chance at Wlad and knocks him out.
Surely Wlad is injured....
Shame as I thought it could have been a good scrap but lesser men than Wlad have had big Tyson shook.....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on September 25, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
Surely Wlad is injured....
Shame as I thought it could have been a good scrap but lesser men than Wlad have had big Tyson shook.....
True, but lesser men than Fury have had Wlad flat on his back too.
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on September 25, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
Surely Wlad is injured....
Shame as I thought it could have been a good scrap but lesser men than Wlad have had big Tyson shook.....
True, but lesser men than Fury have had Wlad flat on his back too.
No doubt.....
Was looking forward to it.....
Will it ever happen?
Big Tyson starting to run out of opponents.....
Michael Conlon gold a world amateurs.
First ever irish gold.
Bravo Michael Conlon. Great achievement. Hard to believe he is still only 23.
Absolutely brilliant achievement. Wonder will he turn pro after Rio?
I think him and Barnes are both turning pro after Rio. Was Barnes injured for the World Championships? Can't believe its two years already since the last one, can remember watching Quigley and Wards finals as clear as day.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
I think him and Barnes are both turning pro after Rio. Was Barnes injured for the World Championships? Can't believe its two years already since the last one, can remember watching Quigley and Wards finals as clear as day.
Will Barnes not struggle to get good money fights if he turns pro at that weight? what age is he now?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2015, 09:08:42 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
I think him and Barnes are both turning pro after Rio. Was Barnes injured for the World Championships? Can't believe its two years already since the last one, can remember watching Quigley and Wards finals as clear as day.
Will Barnes not struggle to get good money fights if he turns pro at that weight? what age is he now?
Aye, the money apparently isn't going to be great and he must be close to 30.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 14, 2015, 09:10:34 PM
Absolutely brilliant achievement. Wonder will he turn pro after Rio?
Will Eddie Hearne snap him up?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
I think him and Barnes are both turning pro after Rio. Was Barnes injured for the World Championships? Can't believe its two years already since the last one, can remember watching Quigley and Wards finals as clear as day.
Ward didn't make a final.
Quote from: gallsman on October 15, 2015, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 15, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
I think him and Barnes are both turning pro after Rio. Was Barnes injured for the World Championships? Can't believe its two years already since the last one, can remember watching Quigley and Wards finals as clear as day.
Ward didn't make a final.
He's corrected that. Lost on a unanimous decision to a Cuban this evening
Golovkin Lemieux this Saturday potential to be a cracker
I see Eammon O'Kane is on the undercard, seemingly a big step up in class for him and a few jornos writing him off. I dont know much about the other guy other than he should have beaten Curtis Stevens
I don't think the boxers such as conlan, barnes n ward get the credit they deserve. Their achievements competing on the world stage are fantastic and they should be recognised for this around the country
Quote from: An Watcher on October 16, 2015, 06:05:59 AM
I don't think the boxers such as conlan, barnes n ward get the credit they deserve. Their achievements competing on the world stage are fantastic and they should be recognised for this around the country
They do but the money for sponsorship is rubbish.. They train like professionals so cant work ordinary jobs and still have to find funding every year with no guarantee of getting it
QuoteI don't think the boxers such as conlan, barnes n ward get the credit they deserve. Their achievements competing on the world stage are fantastic and they should be recognised for this around the country
+1 but then again they aren't as sexy as the rugger buggers ;)
Quote from: An Watcher on October 16, 2015, 06:05:59 AM
I don't think the boxers such as conlan, barnes n ward get the credit they deserve. Their achievements competing on the world stage are fantastic and they should be recognised for this around the country
If PB and MC were fighting say in an Irish Championship bouts (not against each other obviously) tonight what sort of crowd would they draw?
Another GGG demo show tonight. PPV so obviously didn't watch it :P
Fair play to Limeux for giving him the fight for his first defence, but he only ever had a punchers chance and it looks like from the punch landed stats he had barely any, frightening.....
Cotto Canelo winner will do well to sqwrim outta it now
GGG battered limeux from start to finish. hardly took punch the whole fight. serious operator.
eamon o kane was down twice in the first and did well to go the distance. he tried to stand and trade with his opponent but got bullied by gis strength. o kane took a serios of head shots. beat well on points
What's the story with the absence of headgear at the Worlds? Is it not compulsory for amateurs?
Belfast's Anthony Cacace won the Celtic Super Featherweight title in Edinburgh on Friday night.
Very little media coverage but this lad has serious talent. Won by 10th round knockout.
the whole fight can be seen on Cyclone YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdGB_BULdSA
Billy Walsh's resignation confirmed today. He'll be a big loss
Really looking forward to when GGG gets a big fight, ala Alvarez or Cotto.
Seen Roman Gonzalez fight again, only seen him fight a handful of times but he is one of the best I have ever seen. Serious operator, has it all, his footwork, movement, combinations, everything was top class. Made a very good fighter look like a punch bag.
Quote from: HiMucker on October 19, 2015, 03:40:19 PM
Really looking forward to when GGG gets a big fight, ala Alvarez or Cotto.
Seen Roman Gonzalez fight again, only seen him fight a handful of times but he is one of the best I have ever seen. Serious operator, has it all, his footwork, movement, combinations, everything was top class. Made a very good fighter look like a punch bag.
Chocolatito is outstanding. Deserves so much more credit than flyweight allows him.
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 19, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
Billy Walsh's resignation confirmed today. He'll be a big loss
massive loss. surely this shouldnt have been allowed to happen.
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 19, 2015, 06:51:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 19, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
Billy Walsh's resignation confirmed today. He'll be a big loss
massive loss. surely this shouldnt have been allowed to happen.
Whole thing is a shit show. It was common knowledge after London that Walsh was likely to leave unless the IABA copped on but it looks like they couldn't escape their miopic self-interest and they've forced one of the best boxing coaches in the world out of his own country.
Very afraid Walsh will turn around and poach half the coaches we still have now. They have to tie down Zaur Antia as the permanent head coach or this is only getting worse.
The IABA Joe Christle had all the pugilistic grace of a bull in a china shop in the interview rte sports 11am (https://soundcloud.com/rtesport/iaba-hit-back-in-billy-walsh-saga) or here http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/1023/736948-iaba-we-offered-billy-walsh-all-he-asked-for/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/1023/736948-iaba-we-offered-billy-walsh-all-he-asked-for/) After agreeing that Billy left for non financial reasons and all involved state state that Billy left for non financial reasons,
at 7mins 30sec dimwit Christle couldn't resist throwing mud at Billy,
he quoted Billy as saying in a private conversation " I asked for crazy money and they came back (on sat or sunday) and agreed to it, I really don't want to leave, what can do for me now?" Pretty much directly claimed that Billy left for the cash.
Have just seen Spike O'Sullivan is next up for Eubank Jr. Eubank is brash but for some reason I never disliked his da as much as I thought I would and see O'Sullivan is getting involved in all the trash talk. Judging by Boxrec, doesn't seem like he has beaten anyone and Saunders boxed the ears off him if the scores reflect the fight. Does he have a chance?
eubank snr was nearly speechless last night when asked about the last time a eubank fought an irishman!
Quote from: bridgegael on October 25, 2015, 08:18:13 PM
eubank snr was nearly speechless last night when asked about the last time a eubank fought an irishman!
;D
Quote from: bridgegael on October 25, 2015, 08:18:13 PM
eubank snr was nearly speechless last night when asked about the last time a eubank fought an irishman!
I quite like Eubank Jr and he has loads of potential to get right to the top. He is a showman like his dad and will create plenty of interest when he fights. Spike on the other hand, is a decent fighter, but he is no Steve Collins.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/1028/737912-live-iaba-oireachtas-billy-walsh/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2015/1028/737912-live-iaba-oireachtas-billy-walsh/)
.......In his opening statement, Christle said negotiations aimed at keeping the coach in Ireland were unsuccessful and it was a matter of huge regret that Walsh had resigned.
He said the projected cost of the multi-year contract to the IABA was €1.6 million, which would create a long-term liability for the association and that such a path would have been "irresponsible"........
....The AIBA's financial prudence in the matter will have confused many, particularly as Christle admitted that: "The IABA was not in a position to make any contribution towards funding."
Indeed, it had already been established that financial backing for the deal would be provided entirely by the Irish Sports Council.....
The IABA problem was with financing a contract, that they would not have to finance?? They had no financial liability for the contract but it would have been 'irresponsible' for them to accept it because it would create a 'long-term' liability'.
Is this the most idiotic opening statement ever made?
Frampton vs Quigg confirmed for February 27th in Manchester.
Delighted to see the fight finally being made but a bit gutted at same time as I'm on a stag do that weekend and won't be able to make it.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 02, 2015, 06:29:57 PM
Frampton vs Quigg confirmed for February 27th in Manchester.
Delighted to see the fight finally being made but a bit gutted at same time as I'm on a stag do that weekend and won't be able to make it.
Definitely going to be on the hunt for tickets for this. Can fly from Barcelona for 60 quid and with a few of us in an Air BnB could make it as cheap a weekend away as you'd get.
Quote from: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on November 02, 2015, 06:29:57 PM
Frampton vs Quigg confirmed for February 27th in Manchester.
Delighted to see the fight finally being made but a bit gutted at same time as I'm on a stag do that weekend and won't be able to make it.
Definitely going to be on the hunt for tickets for this. Can fly from Barcelona for 60 quid and with a few of us in an Air BnB could make it as cheap a weekend away as you'd get.
Can't wait...short trip on the train for me. Hopefully can pick up tickets!
Who wins this weekend Smith v Fielding?
Smith
Cotto v Canelo coming up Saturday night with real potential to be fight of the year.
Canelo quite heavy favourite, but its no gimmie for him IMO. Cotto will easily be his biggest threat to date with the exception of Mayweather.
Also Cotto stripped of MW belt by WBC yesterday, wouldnt pay their fees, but Canelo can still win the belt, strange situation.
Interesting couple of days of press conferences for the Frampton v Quigg fight. A few thoughts, Frampton came across as being a bit rattled in my opinion, Quigg seemed very relaxed but perhaps is a bit too thick to even know what's happening, Eddie Hearn is a dick and finally, although the atmosphere in Belfast today was very good, do we really need the rent-a-mouths shouting their "hilarious" comments throughout the whole thing?
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 18, 2015, 04:37:44 PM
Cotto v Canelo coming up Saturday night with real potential to be fight of the year.
Canelo quite heavy favourite, but its no gimmie for him IMO. Cotto will easily be his biggest threat to date with the exception of Mayweather.
Also Cotto stripped of MW belt by WBC yesterday, wouldnt pay their fees, but Canelo can still win the belt, strange situation.
I seen that about Cotto - but can he now win the belt again on Saturday?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 19, 2015, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 18, 2015, 04:37:44 PM
Cotto v Canelo coming up Saturday night with real potential to be fight of the year.
Canelo quite heavy favourite, but its no gimmie for him IMO. Cotto will easily be his biggest threat to date with the exception of Mayweather.
Also Cotto stripped of MW belt by WBC yesterday, wouldnt pay their fees, but Canelo can still win the belt, strange situation.
I seen that about Cotto - but can he now win the belt again on Saturday?
Not unless he pays the sanctioning fee. They'll not recognise him. Good on him telling them to f**k off. Alphabet soup.
Quote from: gallsman on November 19, 2015, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 19, 2015, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 18, 2015, 04:37:44 PM
Cotto v Canelo coming up Saturday night with real potential to be fight of the year.
Canelo quite heavy favourite, but its no gimmie for him IMO. Cotto will easily be his biggest threat to date with the exception of Mayweather.
Also Cotto stripped of MW belt by WBC yesterday, wouldnt pay their fees, but Canelo can still win the belt, strange situation.
I seen that about Cotto - but can he now win the belt again on Saturday?
Not unless he pays the sanctioning fee. They'll not recognise him. Good on him telling them to f**k off. Alphabet soup.
If he wins he was likely gonna vacate it anyway, so he probably thought I'll keep my 300K
I think the real farce here is Cotto being the lineal MW champ and never fighting anywhere near 160lbs
Neither of them are true middleweights and the increasing number of catch weight fights needs to be addressed. Will make a winner vs GGG very interesting.
Well Canelo is.... when he gets in the ring on fight night at least, its just that the f**ker can hydrate an entire weight division more than most fighters. Hear he was having trouble making 164 tho so will be interesting to see how his weigh in goes
Will be surprised if we see the winner v GGG soon tho, Canelo maybe but more likely to be Lee if he comes past Saunders.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 19, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
Well Canelo is.... when he gets in the ring on fight night at least, its just that the f**ker can hydrate an entire weight division more than most fighters. Hear he was having trouble making 164 tho so will be interesting to see how his weigh in goes
Will be surprised if we see the winner v GGG soon tho, Canelo maybe but more likely to be Lee if he comes past Saunders.
Nah, even Canelo isn't a true middleweight. He blows up a good bit and if he was keeping himself in fighting shape would be a light middle. He's only 5'9. Cotto is 5'7!
No estoy de acuerdo contigo ;)
I take ur point but he looks heavier set than most MWs who usually come in under 6ft. I think he's gonna have bother making 154 soon enough but time will tell
He also actually looks naturally thicker than Cotto, plus those 2 inches, I think that size will be the deciding factor Saturday night but wouldnt be surprised if Cotto came out on top either.
Trying to get Frampton tickets. Have they already sold out or not gone on sale yet? Thought it was this morning at 9.
Just too slow by looks of things.
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
Just too slow by looks of things.
Sold out!! Very quick
Hearing tickets sold out in ten minutes , serious demand. I see there is a further allocation going on sale at 12 for matchroom fight pass members which unfortunately will probably be the way of the future. Pay Mr Hearn an annual £30 subscription and get access to priority tickets. Think they do something similar with darts and pre-sale tickets.
Sad to see tickets going up on touting websites and genuine fans losing out or getting ripped off , suppose it is always going to happen with any high demand event.
Looking forward to the Cotto fight, would love to see him win but just can't see it panning out that way. Think too much was made of cotto'a win against an injury torn Sergio Martinez and a weight drained Geale. Alvarez to win on points or even a late stoppage.
On the WBC issue, it wasn't just the 300k that cotto was going to have to pay but he was also supposedly going to have to pay Golovkin (who was the WBC mandatory challenger) 800k step aside money. 1.1m out of a purse even for a big fight like this is a sizeable chunk and you can understand why he decided against it. Mayweather would always get a sanctioning fee reduction by negotiating with a bit of "you need me, more than I need you" persuasion. Hopefully cotto's stance may in some way encourage a bit of a revolt against the sanctioning bodies and there may be an overhaul of them with the eradication of alphabet soup belts becoming a thing of the past. A boy can dream !
Droves of tickets in almost every block of the arena for sale on Viagogo as soon as the tickets went on sale this morning. There are currently 11 pages of tickets with the cheapest coming in at €210. Somebody is having a right laugh...
Canelo 155, Cotto 153.5 in shoes and socks.
Decent fight, couple of good, explosive exchanges, particularly round 8. Canelo just too big and strong. Cotto was never in too much trouble but just couldn't make an impact.
The preceding Miura-Vargas fight was brilliant with a great comeback.
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Decent fight, couple of good, explosive exchanges, particularly round 8. Canelo just too big and strong. Cotto was never in too much trouble but just couldn't make an impact.
The preceding Miura-Vargas fight was brilliant with a great comeback.
The Vargas fight was superb, he showed some metal to withstand hits to that injury? What did you make of Rigondeaux? Once again, he didn't exactly blow me away against poor enough opposition. He just seems to want to do just enough to win fights, so no wonder he's not box office material. I just wonder how he'd react under immense pressure from Frampton or even Quigg! I'm not sure he's as far above them as everyone suggests, though he has bags and bags of talent!
I downloaded it this morning and it was in two parts so only caught the final two fights. By all accounts, Rigo was horrendous.
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2015, 08:21:25 PM
I downloaded it this morning and it was in two parts so only caught the final two fights. By all accounts, Rigo was horrendous.
It wasn't great, the crowd starting booing at one stage as he just tippy tapped his way through the fight to win clearly on points against a guy who, 2 fights previously was knocked out in round 1. He's obviously a huge talent but he doesn't seem to want to get into a fight, perhaps due to the fact that he's been floored a number of times in his career. I've watched his last 3 fights with a view to finding out about this guy who everyone says is in a class of his own, so far I've been exceptionally disappointed.
Rigo looks like the sort of fighter who can just lift his game when he needs to. It is probably all too easy for him at the minute. Against Donaire he was very very good. The man is a joy to watch when he is on form, his footwork and defensive skills are just incredible.
Quote from: JimStynes on November 22, 2015, 08:40:40 PM
Rigo looks like the sort of fighter who can just lift his game when he needs to. It is probably all too easy for him at the minute. Against Donaire he was very very good. The man is a joy to watch when he is on form, his footwork and defensive skills are just incredible.
I agree, he has all the skills but he has been on the floor a number of times so his defensive shield can be broken down. I just don't think he is as far ahead of the rest as appears to be the general consensus but no doubt he'll prove me wrong by cleaning out the winner of Frampton Quigg.
It's just a shame that he didn't get into the pro game earlier and that his style is quite boring for the average spectator to make him a proper prize fighter. I personally just love watching defensive fights like him and mayweather. His movement, speed, footwork and all the rest are class. Would love to be proved wrong, but I think he would beat both Quigg and and Frampton quite easily. Frampton said as much a while back. It's all about the money fights at the end of the day and Rigo isn't a big money fight.
Canelo and GGG is the next big prize fight! That will be massive.
Great words from Canelo after the fight. Clearly full of respect and admiration for GGG but he'll clearly fight anyone.
Not much of an excuse but think Rigo fight was made at a week's notice or so?
Disappointed with the fight overall, didnt get the action I thought we would, also thought the decision was far to wide but Canelo did win it clearly.
He came out on top of any of the big exchanges, he just looked far to strong and Cotto was subsequently doin alot of lateral movement. Canelo was just to big and strong for him, and he was fighting way over his natural weight. But he defo took some rounds where the action was subdued. For alot of the fight Canelo looked like he couldnt have been bothered running after him...... or maybe his ring cutting isnt that great.
Whatever the case he won it and no matter what you say its a big win for Canelo so onwards.... He has to give a decision within 15 days to say wether he is gonna fight GGG. I know he said wants to but ODH has said he would like it to "marinate" for a year or so. And he probably actually probably has a bigger say in it than Canelo. I would say best case senario we will likely see it probably Septish next year.
On the other hand is this the end of the road for Cotto?
I think Cotto has said he's going back to 154. Don't know what there is left for him though, he'd be better off calling it a day.
Any bars in belfast be showing the fight on Saturday night?
Looking more like Alvarez and DeLaHoya are going to chicken out of a fight with GGG.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
Looking more like Alvarez and DeLaHoya are going to chicken out of a fight with GGG.
Hardly surprising - the business of boxing is about protecting the cash cow these days.
I think the fight will happen, there might be an interim fight for both fighters (GGG at least) tho
Alot of the stuff about catchweights, PPV figures, etc etc that you hear in the press is just posturing, a form of provisional negotiations before real discussions begin.
Anyone getting the fury fight tomorrow night? Don't know what to do. Klitschos fights don't usually have value for money. Any good fights on undercard?
Fury to win within 8?
Quote from: bridgegael on November 27, 2015, 09:30:55 PM
Anyone getting the fury fight tomorrow night? Don't know what to do. Klitschos fights don't usually have value for money. Any good fights on undercard?
Not very exciting though Jono Carroll and Hughie Fury might provide a bit of interest if they can find him an opponent.....
THE undercard for Wladimir Klitschko and Tyson Fury's heavyweight clash is looking fairly sparse. Heavyweight Hughie Fury, Tyson's cousin, was without an opponent as of today's weigh-in.
Ireland's quality 8-0 Jono Carroll, a Prizefighter champion, gets a big platform, boxing the 13-3 (11) Miguel Gonzalez from Honduras.
In a new move two AIBA Pro Boxing competitors will be on show. The APB, a new format, is essentially a pro competition for Olympic boxers and this is the first time it's been combined with a regular professional event. Germany's David Graf with box Kazakhstan's Anton Pinchuk in an eight-round bout on this bill before they resume attempting to qualify for the Olympic Games next year. This is perhaps the start of 'amateur' and professional boxing working more closely together.
The rest of the undercard is comprised of:
Robert Tlatlik versus Said Rahimi
Samy Musa versus Jay Spencer
Patrick Korte versus Moises Distino
Dominik Tietz versus Javad Sadeghi
Undercard is a bit of a farce alright. I think they went to the closest gym to pick up Hughie Fury's last minute opponent, Konstantin Airich. The highlight of his resume over the last couple of years was lasting almost 2 1/2 rounds with Anthony Joshua.
If you are getting the fight out, I don't think the undercard is what is going to sway you unfortunately. The most interesting thing about the undercard will be the tattoo that Jono Carroll has on his back. I always felt the Sky cameras tried to swerve it during the prizefighter tournament that he won ...
Hope I am wrong but not expecting too much excitement from the main event. Tyson does a great job of selling it but expecting klitschko to sit behind his robotic jab and claim a comfortable points victory.
Ordered in anyway, agree bout undercard, just thought might be some value in it as its PoV.
Think the degale bute fight on later should be a good one, any ideas of start time for it?
Should be kicking off at around about 4am with coverage starting about 3.
http://gamblegeek.com/2015/11/28/klitschko-v-fury-betting-preview/?utm_source=hootsuite
Anyone hazard a guess as to the start time of the Fury bout?
What time UK is the card starting? What link on the beast is likely to be best - don't see any Sky Sports box office links?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 28, 2015, 06:35:14 PM
Anyone hazard a guess as to the start time of the Fury bout?
Fury scheduled to ring walk at 9.45pm.
Good man. Have a few beers a chilling
For anyone with Kodi, Phoenix has a great stream under Live PPV Events
Can't make my mind up if I want Tyson to get his head knocked off or not :-\
If anyone is using a dodgy skybox they'll probably have to do a new scan to find it..
http://henno.info/streams
Dropdown menu at top. Streamup good. Rod Stewart on.
I'd say 2-2 so far.
Half way and hard to recall one decent punch the champ has landed.
Good stream O'Neill. Pish fight from the little I'm watching.
Muck!
Anyone hazard a guess at the score after 8?
Close. Fury 5-3 but champ took 9th.
draw 10th
Klitschko has done nothing in this fight. Fury well ahead for me.
If this was anywhere but Germany, Fury way ahead.
Point off a killer?
Brilliant finish.
Great stuff. Fancied Fury to stop him.
Surely something was wrong with Wlad? Broken right hand maybe??
Huge result! Fury is a complete headcase the craic is only starting now!!
Fury by a landslide. VK didn't know what was going on in there. Some craic
Great stuff! Not many thought Tyson would out box him and win an unanimous decision.
He can outsing him anyway... Lunatic!!
Jesus won.
F**king hell. He did it. Well played, Tyson. You backed up all the talk.
Imagine if Fury actually focused fully on boxing and reached peak fitness?
https://twitter.com/dickinsontimes/status/670742678791987200
Jeez Matt Dickinson of The Times doesn't think much of him...
Ach he's a f**king sc**bag and was lucky enough to fight a lad (Wlad :P) with too many miles on the clock. That division in dire straits if thon boy is considered amongst the top dogs.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 28, 2015, 11:36:23 PM
Ach he's a f**king sc**bag and was lucky enough to fight a lad (Wlad :P) with too many miles on the clock. That division in dire straits if thon boy is considered amongst the top dogs.
Wlad was destroying everyone he faced up this fight. The age factor is nearly irrelevant to my eyes. His game was never about reactions or speed and most of his fights the last decade where far from testing or damaging. Huge upset.
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 28, 2015, 11:36:23 PM
Ach he's a f**king sc**bag and was lucky enough to fight a lad (Wlad :P) with too many miles on the clock. That division in dire straits if thon boy is considered amongst the top dogs.
Wlad was destroying everyone he faced up this fight. The age factor is nearly irrelevant to my eyes. His game was never about reactions or speed and most of his fights the last decade where far from testing or damaging. Huge upset.
Still think something was wrong with Klitschko the next few days will be interesting.
Tony will be happy anyway that a bastion of Catholic Conservatism is now Heavyweight Champion of the World!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 28, 2015, 11:48:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 28, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 28, 2015, 11:36:23 PM
Ach he's a f**king sc**bag and was lucky enough to fight a lad (Wlad :P) with too many miles on the clock. That division in dire straits if thon boy is considered amongst the top dogs.
Wlad was destroying everyone he faced up this fight. The age factor is nearly irrelevant to my eyes. His game was never about reactions or speed and most of his fights the last decade where far from testing or damaging. Huge upset.
Still think something was wrong with Klitschko the next few days will be interesting.
Tony will be happy anyway that a bastion of Catholic Conservatism is now Heavyweight Champion of the World!!
Boxers usually wheel out excuses after the fact. Always looks ludicrous. Few boxers enter big fights 100%.
Thon heavyweight division has been crap since Lennox Lewis was king. Herbie Hide anyone?
Missed the start of the fight what music did fury enter with. Usually something a bit different.
:o :o :o :o
Haven't seen the fight yet but cant believe that result, nearly fell of my chair when I heard it.
Fair play to Fury, I mean you can say what you want about his character and antics, but its an amazing achievement
All of a sudden he's no longer from an Irish Travelling background but is a Mancunian Briton!
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Did you see the fight? He showed GSTQ no respect whatsoever! He did also claim to be the first Irish Heavyweight champion of the world in the post fight press conference. In the press conference he also spoke at length about his Irish Traveller background.
Daily Mail worried about him:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3308639/Is-Tyson-Fury-fit-fight-Wladimir-Klitschko-world-heavyweight-title-Read-vile-homophobic-slurs-bizarre-rants-devil-worshippers-Armageddon.html
Interesting discussion between the 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9wtdw5I4s
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 29, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Did you see the fight? He showed GSTQ no respect whatsoever! He did also claim to be the first Irish Heavyweight champion of the world in the post fight press conference. In the press conference he also spoke at length about his Irish Traveller background.
Saw the fight. You're claiming he didnt nominate his own nationality and anthem? You think he sounds Irish?
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
He mentioned British and Irish fans in his post-fight interview.
Only the people in the six counties get so hung up on an anthem. Like anyone with his background his alliegiences are mixed at best.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 29, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Did you see the fight? He showed GSTQ no respect whatsoever! He did also claim to be the first Irish Heavyweight champion of the world in the post fight press conference. In the press conference he also spoke at length about his Irish Traveller background.
Happy for him and it's a great story. But he should be called in the first Irish heavyweight stuff as John L Sullivan and Gene Tunney were both sons of Irish emigrant parents and were world heavyweight champions.
Quote from: NetNitrate on November 30, 2015, 03:28:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 29, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Did you see the fight? He showed GSTQ no respect whatsoever! He did also claim to be the first Irish Heavyweight champion of the world in the post fight press conference. In the press conference he also spoke at length about his Irish Traveller background.
Happy for him and it's a great story. But he should be called in the first Irish heavyweight stuff as John L Sullivan and Gene Tunney were both sons of Irish emigrant parents and were world heavyweight champions.
Peter Maher and Tom Sharkey have claims to have been heavyweight champion after James J. Corbett, both fully Irish.
Jack Dempsey having Irish heritage should be clear from the name too.
Quote from: Syferus on November 30, 2015, 04:54:31 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on November 30, 2015, 03:28:01 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 29, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Did you see the fight? He showed GSTQ no respect whatsoever! He did also claim to be the first Irish Heavyweight champion of the world in the post fight press conference. In the press conference he also spoke at length about his Irish Traveller background.
Happy for him and it's a great story. But he should be called in the first Irish heavyweight stuff as John L Sullivan and Gene Tunney were both sons of Irish emigrant parents and were world heavyweight champions.
Peter Maher and Tom Sharkey have claims to have been heavyweight champion after James J. Corbett, both fully Irish.
Jack Dempsey having Irish heritage should be clear from the name too.
Lets not forget Muhammad Ali
Brilliant performance from Fury. There was nothing wrong with Klitschko, he simply for once was kept at bay by a bigger man who controlled the fight, which is exactly what Wladimir has been doing for years. Look at Haye fighting Klitschko, he would and could have knocked him out if he landed but he never got the chance as he was kept at bay all night, and now Fury has dished out the same medicine to the former champion. Fury was in great shape, looked like he could go another few rounds too. His footwork and head-movement just bamboozled Klitschko, plus the switching stances obviously confused matters even more.
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 30, 2015, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 29, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
Did you see the fight? He showed GSTQ no respect whatsoever! He did also claim to be the first Irish Heavyweight champion of the world in the post fight press conference. In the press conference he also spoke at length about his Irish Traveller background.
Saw the fight. You're claiming he didnt nominate his own nationality and anthem? You think he sounds Irish?
Is this the barometer for Irishness now?
Interesting bit in the Times (uk) today by Matt Dickinson, seems Mr Fury has some 'interesting' opinions in regards to homosexuality / paedophilia. He's not a bit shy about discussing said opinions and has threatened journos who have had the temerity to question him. First time i've heard this to be honest as i've tended to avoid his nonsense. Surprisingly vitriolic piece all the same.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 30, 2015, 02:19:45 PM
Interesting bit in the Times (uk) today by Matt Dickinson, seems Mr Fury has some 'interesting' opinions in regards to homosexuality / paedophilia. He's not a bit shy about discussing said opinions and has threatened journos who have had the temerity to question him. First time i've heard this to be honest as i've tended to avoid his nonsense. Surprisingly vitriolic piece all the same.
he should be thanking Fury for all the column inches he's given him of late
Quote from: bennydorano on November 30, 2015, 02:19:45 PM
Interesting bit in the Times (uk) today by Matt Dickinson, seems Mr Fury has some 'interesting' opinions in regards to homosexuality / paedophilia. He's not a bit shy about discussing said opinions and has threatened journos who have had the temerity to question him. First time i've heard this to be honest as i've tended to avoid his nonsense. Surprisingly vitriolic piece all the same.
Good old Matt Dickinson, using an interview carried out by another journalist a few weeks ago to jump on the bandwagon and get some exposure the day after Fury wins the heavyweight championship of the world. Lazy journalism of the highest order. Fury is a strange character who can be both engaging, intelligent and generous as well as offensive, uneducated and divisive. Take him as you want but his sporting achievements this weekend should not be undermined by his crazy talk a few weeks ago and a few journalists jumping on his back now that people know who he is.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 30, 2015, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 30, 2015, 02:19:45 PM
Interesting bit in the Times (uk) today by Matt Dickinson, seems Mr Fury has some 'interesting' opinions in regards to homosexuality / paedophilia. He's not a bit shy about discussing said opinions and has threatened journos who have had the temerity to question him. First time i've heard this to be honest as i've tended to avoid his nonsense. Surprisingly vitriolic piece all the same.
Good old Matt Dickinson, using an interview carried out by another journalist a few weeks ago to jump on the bandwagon and get some exposure the day after Fury wins the heavyweight championship of the world. Lazy journalism of the highest order. Fury is a strange character who can be both engaging, intelligent and generous as well as offensive, uneducated and divisive. Take him as you want but his sporting achievements this weekend should not be undermined by his crazy talk a few weeks ago and a few journalists jumping on his back now that people know who he is.
Well said, this article was done a while ago and now thon root trying to piggy bank on his profile in light of the win. Fury is just a normal lad who isn't bound by the restrictions of political correctness.
Heavyweight division is a farce and has been for some years and Fury winning highlights even more. I always thought he was a decent enough boxer but his name beside the likes of Mike Tyson is funny. Saying that, I was over the moon for him, he has been entertaining and backed up all of what he was saying he was going to do. Behind all his shit talk and antics he seems like a decent spud and normal enough sort of fella and apparently does a lot of charity work too.
Didn't see it but watched a bit of it on youtube (without sound) and it looked tedious.
Great comment below the video though:
'He floats like a buffalo and stings like a whale.'
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 29, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
Well GSTQ was his anthem pre fight so I presume he's of that view himself
God Save The Queen' rang out in the Esprit Arena in Dusseldorf on Saturday night, but that was not what Tyson Fury desired.
Instead, due to his self-identification as both British and Irish, the new heavyweight world champion wanted 'We Are The World' played in place of the British national anthem before his title bout with Wladimir Klitschko.
Fury's manager and promoter Mick Hennessy, quoted by The Sun, told of how his fighter's request was not carried out.
They weren't supposed to play a national anthem because he considers himself British and Irish.
They were supposed to play We Are The World but they played one national anthem. He's born in England but he's of Irish heritage.
Fury, who has called himself 'the first Irish heavyweight world champion', has established Irish roots.
His father is from Galway, his mother Antrim.
Back in 2012, he defeated Martin Rogan to win the then vacant Irish heavyweight title.
Fury has been stripped of the IBF title - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606), the fact that there is 4 world titles shows what a joke boxing is, sure even Bruno won a world title!
Quote from: Green Fields on December 09, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
Fury has been stripped of the IBF title - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606), the fact that there is 4 world titles shows what a joke boxing is, sure even Bruno won a world title!
Makes a joke of the IBF. The man just beat the undisputed true world champion. Probably the only WC you could really recognize is the Ring's semi-imaginary one. At least there's a bit of integrity left in how that one works.
Boxing is a shambles and the IBF are a disgrace in this case, how can he be stripped so soon after winning it. Surely they would benefit from being attached to the nearest thing to an undisputed champion that there is. Was excited for Fury too as there was only one fight required to become undisputed now the situation becomes more diluted. People point to the UFC as the example but I imagine that over time they will become fragmented too.
ridicules to be stripped of a belt for that reason, even if hes a bit of a twat!
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2015, 09:25:36 AM
Quote from: Green Fields on December 09, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
Fury has been stripped of the IBF title - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606), the fact that there is 4 world titles shows what a joke boxing is, sure even Bruno won a world title!
Makes a joke of the IBF. The man just beat the undisputed true world champion. Probably the only WC you could really recognize is the Ring's semi-imaginary one. At least there's a bit of integrity left in how that one works.
Really does the WBC not count at all then?
Quote from: Green Fields on December 09, 2015, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2015, 09:25:36 AM
Quote from: Green Fields on December 09, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
Fury has been stripped of the IBF title - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35047606), the fact that there is 4 world titles shows what a joke boxing is, sure even Bruno won a world title!
Makes a joke of the IBF. The man just beat the undisputed true world champion. Probably the only WC you could really recognize is the Ring's semi-imaginary one. At least there's a bit of integrity left in how that one works.
Really does the WBC not count at all then?
Not a man on Earth besides Deontay Wilder thinks he is the lineal world champion. All he did was pick up the title Wlad's brother left behind when he got bored of beating up chumps.
There hasn't been an undisputed heavyweight champion since the hugely over-rated Lennox Lewis.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 09, 2015, 10:47:42 AM
There hasn't been an undisputed heavyweight champion since the hugely over-rated Lennox Lewis.
Laughable statement.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 09, 2015, 09:34:34 AM
Boxing is a shambles and the IBF are a disgrace in this case, how can he be stripped so soon after winning it. Surely they would benefit from being attached to the nearest thing to an undisputed champion that there is. Was excited for Fury too as there was only one fight required to become undisputed now the situation becomes more diluted. People point to the UFC as the example but I imagine that over time they will become fragmented too.
Do you read the papers/web/social media? What possible advantage has anyone being aligned to Fury?
He's a complete f**king clown. Yes he beat Klitschko but it was one of the worst fights I've ever witnessed, just because he is some kind of circus freak doesn't suddenly make him a credible world champion. Heavyweight boxing's been on its arse for nigh on 10 years and Fury isn't the man who's gonna save it!!
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 09, 2015, 10:47:42 AM
There hasn't been an undisputed heavyweight champion since the hugely over-rated Lennox Lewis.
Wlad?
Quote from: screenexile on December 09, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 09, 2015, 09:34:34 AM
Boxing is a shambles and the IBF are a disgrace in this case, how can he be stripped so soon after winning it. Surely they would benefit from being attached to the nearest thing to an undisputed champion that there is. Was excited for Fury too as there was only one fight required to become undisputed now the situation becomes more diluted. People point to the UFC as the example but I imagine that over time they will become fragmented too.
Do you read the papers/web/social media? What possible advantage has anyone being aligned to Fury?
He's a complete f**king clown. Yes he beat Klitschko but it was one of the worst fights I've ever witnessed, just because he is some kind of circus freak doesn't suddenly make him a credible world champion. Heavyweight boxing's been on its arse for nigh on 10 years and Fury isn't the man who's gonna save it!!
Fury will be involved in bigger fights that will generate more money and exposure than anything Vyacheslav Glazkov will bring.
Quote from: screenexile on December 09, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 09, 2015, 09:34:34 AM
Boxing is a shambles and the IBF are a disgrace in this case, how can he be stripped so soon after winning it. Surely they would benefit from being attached to the nearest thing to an undisputed champion that there is. Was excited for Fury too as there was only one fight required to become undisputed now the situation becomes more diluted. People point to the UFC as the example but I imagine that over time they will become fragmented too.
Do you read the papers/web/social media? What possible advantage has anyone being aligned to Fury?
He's a complete f**king clown. Yes he beat Klitschko but it was one of the worst fights I've ever witnessed, just because he is some kind of circus freak doesn't suddenly make him a credible world champion. Heavyweight boxing's been on its arse for nigh on 10 years and Fury isn't the man who's gonna save it!!
Too many boxers worried about protecting their 0 and then coming unstuck when fighting a top class opponent having beat up on bums in all their previous fights. I don't think the standard is as bad as people make out compared to years ago it's just the top boxers don't fight as often at heavyweight anymore.
If you had Fury, Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder, Stiverne, Pulev, Chagaev, Glazkov, Jennings, Joshua, Parker, Haye etc. facing each other it might not seem so bad.
Another problem is the lack of a real American heavyweight star, only two of the above names are American. Wilder could possibly become this if he unifies the titles and faces some of these fighters but at the minute he doesn't have that appeal.
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 09, 2015, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on December 09, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 09, 2015, 09:34:34 AM
Boxing is a shambles and the IBF are a disgrace in this case, how can he be stripped so soon after winning it. Surely they would benefit from being attached to the nearest thing to an undisputed champion that there is. Was excited for Fury too as there was only one fight required to become undisputed now the situation becomes more diluted. People point to the UFC as the example but I imagine that over time they will become fragmented too.
Do you read the papers/web/social media? What possible advantage has anyone being aligned to Fury?
He's a complete f**king clown. Yes he beat Klitschko but it was one of the worst fights I've ever witnessed, just because he is some kind of circus freak doesn't suddenly make him a credible world champion. Heavyweight boxing's been on its arse for nigh on 10 years and Fury isn't the man who's gonna save it!!
Too many boxers worried about protecting their 0 and then coming unstuck when fighting a top class opponent having beat up on bums in all their previous fights. I don't think the standard is as bad as people make out compared to years ago it's just the top boxers don't fight as often at heavyweight anymore.
If you had Fury, Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder, Stiverne, Pulev, Chagaev, Glazkov, Jennings, Joshua, Parker, Haye etc. facing each other it might not seem so bad.
Another problem is the lack of a real American heavyweight star, only two of the above names are American. Wilder could possibly become this if he unifies the titles and faces some of these fighters but at the minute he doesn't have that appeal.
Spot on about the general standard and lack of American star(s).
Don't think there's any chance Wilder becomes a star. He'll have been as delighted as anyone to see Fury win out and possibly bring about the end of Wlad as any version of Wlad other than the one that appeared against Fury works have dismantled him clinically. He can bang alright but is unbelievably crude.
Quote from: gallsman on December 09, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
Don't think there's any chance Wilder becomes a star. He'll have been as delighted as anyone to see Fury win out and possibly bring about the end of Wlad as any version of Wlad other than the one that appeared against Fury works have dismantled him clinically. He can bang alright but is unbelievably crude.
Reason Wlad was so poor was he had no clue how to deal with a taller man. No work on the inside when he clinched, which is where the smaller man with the shorter reach should be going to town on the body. Think he hit Fury with a pathetic total of four body shots over 12 rounds. And he couldn't club Fury's lead jab away like he did against everyone else. Fury Wlad'd Wlad and I for one was delighted to see that putrid style of boxing finally being beaten, even if it took that same style to do it.
To me that fight badly exposed how limited a boxer Wlad really is when you take away his illegal clubbing away of jabs. The comprehensive manner of the defeat puts into question what his place in heavyweight history really is. It was no fluke result.
Quote from: Syferus on December 09, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 09, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
Don't think there's any chance Wilder becomes a star. He'll have been as delighted as anyone to see Fury win out and possibly bring about the end of Wlad as any version of Wlad other than the one that appeared against Fury works have dismantled him clinically. He can bang alright but is unbelievably crude.
Reason Wlad was so poor was he had no clue how to deal with a taller man. No work on the inside when he clinched, which is where the smaller man with the shorter reach should be going to town on the body. Think he hit Fury with a pathetic total of four body shots over 12 rounds. And he couldn't club Fury's lead jab away like he did against everyone else. Fury Wlad'd Wlad and I for one was delighted to see that putrid style of boxing finally being beaten, even if it took that same style to do it.
To me that fight badly exposed how limited a boxer Wlad really is when you take away his illegal clubbing away of jabs. The comprehensive manner of the defeat puts into question what his place in heavyweight history really is for me.
I always said Wlad was over-rated and simply relied on his physical advantages to win fights, as well as his jab-grab-lean tactics. Always wanted Fury to fight him as I felt Fury would beat him once these advantages were negated. As mentioned, he was so used to employing these tactics for years that he was still trying to hold a bigger man ffs instead of working on the inside. Furys movement and feinting on top of his size just bewildered Klitschko.
With all this being said though, who do you think will win the rematch?
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 09, 2015, 01:07:19 PM
With all this being said though, who do you think will win the rematch?
Wlad looked so bad technically and Fury so comfortable it's hard to see how Wlad could change enough to win a rematch. Probably his best hope is Fury not focusing and not being prepared right, which always a worry with Fury.
Fury proved he's the better fighter with all things being even, and saying that Wlad's camp still tried to fûck with the ring and Fury's gloves to give their man an advantage and Fury beat him handilyin a country renowned for jobbing the fighters travelling overl
Looking forward to tomorrow night. A couple of tasty ones. Eubank Snr reckons Whyte will give Joshua a fight.
Anybody see Dean Walsh v Ray Moylette last night in the National finals?
23:30 on TG4 Player
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=4657981694001
Dean lucky to have the influence of Uncle Billy to keep him at the Top!
Farce!
Luke Campbell in a spot of bother here!
Anyone any links for the boxing tonight?
Sad to see a legend like Roy Jones Jr end up getting knocked out like that. I hope he now sees sense and calls it a day.
Why is he still fighting!! It is sad to see. He is one of one my favourite fighters ever but didn't know when to stop. A great commentator too.
Download the Periscope TV app.
Watching it there and then using Apple TV on to my TV
What do you search for or follow on periscope?
for those running kodi, link 3 on MoneySports
Quote from: square_ball on December 12, 2015, 09:53:50 PM
What do you search for or follow on periscope?
Go to the world map and select a red dot to find someone broadcasting the fights from their tv. At the moment there is a showing of newbank fight from someone in Dublin.
Eubank Jnr took some punishment in the 3rd.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:08:27 PM
Eubank Jnr took some punishment in the 3rd.
trying to mimic his dad's bravado but doesnt have the tools to do it. O'Sullivan to beat him. Some fight so far
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:08:27 PM
Eubank Jnr took some punishment in the 3rd.
Spike can take a punch too! Those uppercuts from Eubank are superb!
You get the feeling they could knock each other out at any time.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
You get the feeling they could knock each other out at any time.
bigtime
Watt is right i think, OSullivan is allowing eubank to empty his tank. He knows he can take his best shots. Will maybe let rip again in later rounds
Still not impressed with Eubank. Being very careless and getting caught with a lot of shots.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 12, 2015, 10:17:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
You get the feeling they could knock each other out at any time.
bigtime
Watt is right i think, OSullivan is allowing eubank to empty his tank. He knows he can take his best shots. Will maybe let rip again in later rounds
Looking like it. He hasn't really wobbled under a Eubanks onslaught.
If the tactic is to take everything Eubank can throw then this is going to be some finish. But Jesus lads, if not then he's taking a fair old beating here and only a granite chin is keeping him there.
jayzus...not much craic at the end! Great first few rounds.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 12, 2015, 10:23:11 PM
If the tactic is to take everything Eubank can throw then this is going to be some finish. But Jesus lads, if not then he's taking a fair old beating here and only a granite chin is keeping him there.
nail on the head
Some chin on him.
Eubank was superb there. He may have taken a few but that was a bit of a show. Disappointing finish though!
Weird one though. You don't often hear explanations like that from the beaten corner.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:40:36 PM
Weird one though. You don't often hear explanations like that from the beaten corner.
what was their explanation?
He was too far behind and Eubank was getting stronger.
I know he was probably 6-1 down but in professional boxing surely there's a chance you get catch your opponent late on. It was a very sensible decision I suppose but...
Joshua's entry is :-[
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:46:36 PM
He was too far behind and Eubank was getting stronger.
I know he was probably 6-1 down but in professional boxing surely there's a chance you get catch your opponent late on. It was a very sensible decision I suppose but...
He seemed to think that O'Sullivan had lost the power in his punch by round six and therefore had even lost that ability to catch him late on. Keeping him in there was only getting him more punishment. Sensible enough I suppose but rarely do you see a fighter walk steadily back to his corner and get pulled out.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 10:46:36 PM
He was too far behind and Eubank was getting stronger.
I know he was probably 6-1 down but in professional boxing surely there's a chance you get catch your opponent late on. It was a very sensible decision I suppose but...
cheers. He'd taken Eubanks best, but its a brutal sport and the fighters and ring men know better than most what can happen.
a complete mismatch in the heavyweight bout
All of a sudden Joshua looks very very laboured!!
Eubank Snr was right - Whyte is dangerous.
I don't think Joshua knew the fcuk where he was at the end of the second.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
I don't think Joshua knew the fcuk where he was at the end of the second.
He's the new Frank Bruno
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 12, 2015, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
I don't think Joshua knew the fcuk where he was at the end of the second.
He's the new Frank Bruno
Thanks 'Arry
Joshua in new territory. Be interesting to see how this unfolds
some finish! White took some hits there. Decent fight
Brutal in the end!
Joshua nothing special.
Dunno who'd win if he fought Fury.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 12, 2015, 11:27:51 PM
Brutal in the end!
that final right hander. Would knock you into next week
Paulie Malignaggi is a great commentator and analyst.
Joshua looked average enough at times tonight but got the job done. Will have learned a lot.
What a night of boxing though, some cracking fights.
Joshua a good 2-3 years of learning ahead of him.
I'm not sure Joshua can improve much. He doesn't appear to be agile or mobile enough which are things that are hard to improve. When he got tagged he was a sitting duck and a better fighter than Whyte would have finished him. He just reminds me so much of Frank Bruno and I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get found out at the highest level.
Somebody like Haye or Fury who can move very quickly and get off counters very quickly will cause him no end of problems. Eddie Hearn won't have him anywhere near David Haye next year if Haye looks good in his comeback. I'd say Chisora and maybe Teper for the European title next year then a tilt at Wilder or possibly Fury in 2017.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 12, 2015, 06:37:52 PM
Anybody see Dean Walsh v Ray Moylette last night in the National finals?
23:30 on TG4 Player
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=4657981694001
Dean lucky to have the influence of Uncle Billy to keep him at the Top!
Farce!
Well that was embarrassing.
The only decisive round was the 2nd where Moylette won easily.
Walsh threw lots of handbags and little else. Nonsense decision.
Did you stay up Muppet or did you get up early?
People that just see Joshua knock people out, have their necks fairly wound in, for any half decent fighter he is just a sitting duck, no movement in him at all. Fury would take him to school!!
Quote from: muppet on December 13, 2015, 04:51:34 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 12, 2015, 06:37:52 PM
Anybody see Dean Walsh v Ray Moylette last night in the National finals?
23:30 on TG4 Player
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=4657981694001
Dean lucky to have the influence of Uncle Billy to keep him at the Top!
Farce!
Well that was embarrassing.
The only decisive round was the 2nd where Moylette won easily.
Walsh threw lots of handbags and little else. Nonsense decision.
Moylette rightly upset! Refused his silver medal and has said he will not fight in the National Stadium again. Was conned in the final last year. At least that decision was closer last year and easier hide. That lack of national commentary is a worry.
Did Uncle Billy fly over for the fight?
Strange how TG4 has taken down the second half on player of the Elite Boxing Championships shown at the weekend?
Right Lee v Saunders on Sat night lads, how'd yis see it going.
Tough call....I see the bookies cant decide either. Hope Andy wins it but he can be a bit unpredictable and Saunders seems like a decent fighter...
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 17, 2015, 11:41:05 PM
Right Lee v Saunders on Sat night lads, how'd yis see it going.
Tough call....I see the bookies cant decide either. Hope Andy wins it but he can be a bit unpredictable and Saunders seems like a decent fighter...
Saunders is the more accomplished boxer and will most likely win if it goes the distance, but if Lee catches him with that right hand then its a game changer. For me, Lee wins with a late KO after surviving a bit of a torrid 5 or 6 rounds.
On a further note - I wonder what would happen if Lee fought Eubank Jr - would Adam Booth have to choose a corner??
Anyone know if the lee fight is on TV anywhere on the sky package?
Quote from: Itchy on December 19, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
Anyone know if the lee fight is on TV anywhere on the sky package?
just on the Boxnation channel
Cheers
Very frustrating fight. Lee done very well to come back after the 3rd but didn't do enough in the final rounds. Caught him with a couple of decent big lefts but that was the height of it. @ 37 I'm not sure were Lee goes from here.
37?!
Poor enough fight. Hard to disagree with decision. Best Lee deserved was probably a draw.
Well Saunders won it on majority.
Was tight, with a similar pattern to the Quillin fight with Lee down twice early and came back strong to win many of the later rounds. Andy never managed to get a significant power punch off
Could have went the other way as handy but with the knockdowns youd have to say Saunders deserved the win.
I seen that 37 come up for his age as well, its not right he is only 31
Quote from: JoG2 on December 19, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
Very frustrating fight. Lee done very well to come back after the 3rd but didn't do enough in the final rounds. Caught him with a couple of decent big lefts but that was the height of it. @ 37 I'm not sure were Lee goes from here.
Yeah, Lee was a bit disappointing in the sense that he just didn't seem to get going and seemed reluctant to let the big punches go. Though, fair play to him for surviving round 3. I'm never convinced about Saunders, he is decent but never very impressive and seems to struggle as a fight goes on. But fair play, he deserved that one but for me Eubank beats him all day long in any rematch.
Yeah he's about 31.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 19, 2015, 11:23:57 PM
I seen that 37 come up for his age as well, its not right he is only 31
I raised an eyebrow alright. Not so bad then.
On another note Ive heard them both called Irish Travellers????
And then the fight commenter said that they where both proud gypsies... :o WTF!
Dunno how one of the judges scored it 115 to 111. I thought it was a point one way or the other. Lee wasn't aggressive enough for me.
Had Saunders by two, lots of very close rounds. In the context of the fight Lee was probably 4 points down after the 3rd round and didn't really start taking the fight to Saunders until the 9th and I think this had an impact on the judges, had the knockdowns not occured and the onus not having been on Lee to take it to Saunders I think he would have got the nod in some of those close rounds. He left it too late.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 19, 2015, 11:22:42 PM
Well Saunders won it on majority.
Was tight, with a similar pattern to the Quillin fight with Lee down twice early and came back strong to win many of the later rounds. Andy never managed to get a significant power punch off
Could have went the other way as handy but with the knockdowns youd have to say Saunders deserved the win.
IFirst four rounds i had split but obviously BJS was 2 up with the knockdowns. Not sure how you could make an argument that BJS won any of the last 3 meaning in my book Dave Paris must have given BJS rounds 5 thru 9 which I couldn't agree with.
Lee will be kicking himself as he should have won as BJS did nothing other than round 3 but for my money Lee should have gotten at least a draw.
God help either of them were they to fight GGG
Is having 3 English judges on a fight with one of England's great hopes not a bit odd too. That said lee only has himself to blame really.
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 19, 2015, 11:27:18 PM
On another note Ive heard them both called Irish Travellers????
And then the fight commenter said that they where both proud gypsies... :o WTF!
Gypsy Lee and Gypsy Joe
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
Dunno how one of the judges scored it 115 to 111. I thought it was a point one way or the other. Lee wasn't aggressive enough for me.
Simple explanation. Dave Parris is in Frank Warren's pocket.
I thought Lee won every round in the 2nd half of the fight. But he needed a 10-8 at some stage, and never nailed Saunders. Was a fraction too conservative, maybe understandably after the 3rd, but I thought it was there for him
Quote from: Hound on December 21, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
Dunno how one of the judges scored it 115 to 111. I thought it was a point one way or the other. Lee wasn't aggressive enough for me.
Simple explanation. Dave Parris is in Frank Warren's pocket.
I thought Lee won every round in the 2nd half of the fight. But he needed a 10-8 at some stage, and never nailed Saunders. Was a fraction too conservative, maybe understandably after the 3rd, but I thought it was there for him
Problem is, other than last 3/4 rounds, which I think Lee won, you really could have called it either way. I gave Saunders the first and obviously the third. 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 were genuinely a toss up.
Khan-Canelo?!
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2016, 05:42:46 PM
Khan-Canelo?!
Madness but fair play to Khan for accepting. He will be the smaller man by quite a bit and with his chin it's is a huge risk. The reward for a win though could be huge.
Some balls on Khan to go for it. Big pay day for him to be fair and even if he does get beat the Kell Brook fight is still there. The size difference in the night will be massive. Khan isn't even big at 147! Alvarez will walk to the ring at least 170!! I'd say Khan will be going to sleep in the middle rounds.
f**king Canelo and his catch weights. He was all talk after the Cotto fight how he'd take on all comers at middleweight, ggg included and weight wasn't an issue. Turned round a few days later and went back in it. Title fights shouldn't be allowed at catch weights.
I don't think anyone saw this match up coming. Khans ego and desperation to box a big name could well have landed him in a spot of bother here. As Jim said, by fight night, Alverez will be somewhere near 170 and Khan will do well to withstand any punch that lands clean. Fair play to him though, would be some going if he pulls it off.
Apparently the Alvarez GGG fight is set for September, I hope that GGG doesn't stand for any of his catchweight shite either. As for Khan, he will get knocked out. He will use the size difference as an excuse when he loses, plenty of fights out there with similar differences in weight and no excuses about that are used.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 03, 2016, 08:59:26 AM
Apparently the Alvarez GGG fight is set for September, I hope that GGG doesn't stand for any of his catchweight shite either. As for Khan, he will get knocked out. He will use the size difference as an excuse when he loses, plenty of fights out there with similar differences in weight and no excuses about that are used.
Jesus christ, the fight is just made and you're already moaning about excuses that Khan will make in the (I agree with you, likely) event he loses. He's a small welter going up against a middleweight, albeit not a particularly big one. I think it's a ballsy move by him and he deserves credit for it, win or lose.
The only thing I can see causing Canelo issues in this fight is Khan's speed (although there's a small enough sample size over the last few years) as Canelo can be somewhat crude at times. Will be interesting too see what kind of shape Khan's in at 155. Otherwise, I think Canelo will just be too big for him. Given what Danny Garcia did to Khan and Khan's inability to resist a scrap, I think a KO is inevitable. As I said though, fair play for taking the fight.
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2016, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 03, 2016, 08:59:26 AM
Apparently the Alvarez GGG fight is set for September, I hope that GGG doesn't stand for any of his catchweight shite either. As for Khan, he will get knocked out. He will use the size difference as an excuse when he loses, plenty of fights out there with similar differences in weight and no excuses about that are used.
Jesus christ, the fight is just made and you're already moaning about excuses that Khan will make in the (I agree with you, likely) event he loses. He's a small welter going up against a middleweight, albeit not a particularly big one. I think it's a ballsy move by him and he deserves credit for it, win or lose.
The only thing I can see causing Canelo issues in this fight is Khan's speed (although there's a small enough sample size over the last few years) as Canelo can be somewhat crude at times. Will be interesting too see what kind of shape Khan's in at 155. Otherwise, I think Canelo will just be too big for him. Given what Danny Garcia did to Khan and Khan's inability to resist a scrap, I think a KO is inevitable. As I said though, fair play for taking the fight.
khan will weigh 151 max on the night, canelo 170+
He's obviously going to have to pack on a bit of beef but I can't see Khan turning up in the ring for a fight with a 155 limit at 151. He'll probably weigh in a pound or two below the limit and put a few pounds of water weight back on.
Explain to me about catch weights lads? Boxing fan but a novice when comes to weights etc.
There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.
Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.
Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.
Cheers Gallsman. Jeez sounds like Canelo is running scared of GGG.
How do you see the Frampton Quigg fighting going? Unfortunately I fancy Quigg for that one. Think he has a better corner than Frampton which could prove crucial.
:o :o :o
Didnt see this one coming in a million years
Kahn finally gets the fight he wants but his performances of late have done little to deserve a bout like this. So this has left him with a poor hand in negoatioing favourable terms and fighting at this weight (catch weight or not) against a fighter like Canelo is not a good jumping off point for him. Rather than guts, its smacks of desperation to get that big time fight.
He's on to a hiding in a few rounds IMO, Canelo is too strong and too solid a boxer to be troubled by Kahn and as Gallsman pointed his love of a scrap could well be his undoing early. Take a look at Canelo v Kirkland and you can see what he does to guys that come out swinging.
In saying that should be an entertaining fight
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 03, 2016, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.
Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.
Cheers Gallsman. Jeez sounds like Canelo is running scared of GGG.
How do you see the Frampton Quigg fighting going? Unfortunately I fancy Quigg for that one. Think he has a better corner than Frampton which could prove crucial.
Would concur with Gallsman on GGG v Canelo, Tho Golovkin is not just logical challenger he's the mandatory challenger for WBC for about 18months or so.
Tho TBF I dont think its Canelo running scared, he will fight anyone, rather its his team and Oscar de la Hoya in particular trying to avoid that fight until it somehow becomes more favourable to Canelo. The weight thing is more BS in an attempt to try and weaken GGG rather than anything else. Word is Canelo trains and enters the ring heavier than Golovkin, he just has a freaky ability to drain off more weight than your average fighter. Tho catchweight or 160 Golovkin should beat him in 7/8 IMO
On a completely unrelated fight anyone see Kovalev Pascal at the weekend?
A brutal beating if I ever seen one, actually felt sorry for Pascal and I thought he was a decent fighter before Krusher came along.
Hopefully we will see Kovalev Ward before the years out
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 03, 2016, 12:36:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.
Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.
Cheers Gallsman. Jeez sounds like Canelo is running scared of GGG.
How do you see the Frampton Quigg fighting going? Unfortunately I fancy Quigg for that one. Think he has a better corner than Frampton which could prove crucial.
Not sure what Gallsman take on the Frampton fight but think it will be a lot closer than the bookies make out.... Carl has learned a lot from the fight in America and had he not thought on his feet as he did then he would have lost..... Corner on the day was caught out...it happens, id say they know Quiggs game inside out (as do Quiggs corner on Frampton) so I hope Carl won't make a hash of it....
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.
Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.
I heard an interview with Andy Lee a few weeks ago when he made a comment about Peter Quillin missing the weight against him on purpose. He didn't elaborate fully but it appeared that he was suggesting that this spate of missed weights and catch weight fights may be orchestrated by Al Haymon to undermine the current governing bodies in a power move to promote his own PBC.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 03, 2016, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
There are standard, recognised weight classes. Khan fights at welterweight, which is 147 lbs, although he's by no means a big welter. Canelo is the (lineal) middleweight (160 lbs) champion, even though he's more of something in between light-middle (154 lbs) and middle. The two have signed to fight at a weight limit of 155lbs, i.e. they must weigh in at 155 or below the day before the fight. I don't know if there's a rehydration limit to impose a cap on how they much they can weigh on fight night.
Canelo won the middleweight title against Cotto, another blown up welterweight at a catch weight of 155. Makes a bit of a nonsense of the weight classes, especially as Canelo is the lineal champion but has said he won't defend against GGG (the logical challenger) unless it's at a weight he's comfortable with. The middleweight champion insisting on fighting for the middleweight title at a weight limit of his choosing? Horseshit.
I heard an interview with Andy Lee a few weeks ago when he made a comment about Peter Quillin missing the weight against him on purpose. He didn't elaborate fully but it appeared that he was suggesting that this spate of missed weights and catch weight fights may be orchestrated by Al Haymon to undermine the current governing bodies in a power move to promote his own PBC.
Interesting and no doubt both possible and plausible. There are lads who make no effort at all to make the weight sometimes, secure in the knowledge that the other fighter can't afford to give up the payday and so are happy to forfeit 20%of the purse or whatever it is to get the either advantage. Castillo in the second fight against Corrales was a shocking example of it.
Golovkin's next fight has been finalised as well. Dominic Wade 23 April in LA.
Golovkin's bid to get a fight is comical...
he was hoping for a unification with BJS, but he and Warren dodged and smirked their way out of it.
then IBF said well you need to fight the mandatory who is Tureano Johnson, he proceeded to cry off with injury so it then he falls on the no.2 who is the aforementioned Mr Wade
No little or nothing about him...but it will be another pitiful fight for GGG, tho not his fault...the Canelo fight needs to happen.
My opinion on Khans decision to fight Alvarez/not fight Brook next.
The reason Khan has taken this is simple if you understand his mindset. He wants to be a worldwide superstar and views himself as a big name. Thus he wanted to be part of a mega fight. With FMJ and Pacquiao not happening Canelo is the next biggest PPV star. I think this thirst for stardom will have severe consequences and he could get dealt with brutally. Alvarez will be a stone heavier in the ring and while Khan is my favourite fighter I don't think he has the ring IQ to keep Alvarez off for 12 rounds. I predict a KO around rounds 6-10 as Khan tires. While I love the fact Khan is daring to be great, Paulie Malignaggi summed it up in a podcast saying that boxers aren't action figures where you can put the biggest names against each other. Weight divisions are there for a good reason.
Furthermore, while the Kell Brook fight is massive in the UK and will make Khan maybe £10 Million he hasn't taken it yet as he thinks it lacks worldwide appeal so only wants to take that fight when either 1) there are no other good options on the table as he feels that's an option he'll always have 2) Brook records a massive win or two and has recognition in the U.S. so the fight can give him that worldwide stardom his ego/ambition craves. He also thinks he's carrying the Brook fight, wants an 80-20 split of the money due to this. Tbh he probably is right, Brook has caught nobody bar Porter and all he does is hang on to Khans name as its his only true massive payday. However, it'll be a travesty if the fans never get to see it.
I'm also a huge Frampton fan but I fear this Quigg fight. Think Quiggs body shots could cause Carl huge difficulties as last day out Carl looked vulnerable to them. If Carl stays off the deck/doesn't get stopped he wins this fight on points. Vastly superior pure boxer but Quigg hits hard and has improved hugely in the last 18 months.
Maybe the last fight was a blessing in disguise though. I know Carl's dropped his weight much earlier to what he deems his best fighting weight so that should make his weight cut for the weigh in much easier than last time out and there won't be that stupid thick foam underlay that Chavez Jnr had requested.
It really is a very hard fight to call.
Shooting at a weigh in in Dublin :-\
Anthony Joshua to fight Charles Martin for the IBF World Title in April. A winnable fight.
Glad to see Joshua fighting for the title because it means that if he wins (which he should) then he can no longer fight journeymen and will have to fight the top level heavyweight fighters. Still think it is a disgrace by the IBF to have taken the title of Fury basically straight away.
Joshua took and won a tough fight against Whyte. He made his pro debut less than two and a half years ago. What exactly do you want of him at this stage of his career ffs?!
AJ is very good but his lack of head movement I think will undo him at some point unless it's addressed. Hope he wins and then you have Fury, Wilder, AJ as champions with Klitschko, Haye, Parker, Ortiz and Hughie Fury around the scene. Great for boxing that the HW scene is improving.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2016, 09:38:36 AM
Glad to see Joshua fighting for the title because it means that if he wins (which he should) then he can no longer fight journeymen and will have to fight the top level heavyweight fighters. Still think it is a disgrace by the IBF to have taken the title of Fury basically straight away.
All that's in the division is journeymen, though.
The only good heavyweight fights you seen on to these days are in black and white.
Quote from: Syferus on February 15, 2016, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2016, 09:38:36 AM
Glad to see Joshua fighting for the title because it means that if he wins (which he should) then he can no longer fight journeymen and will have to fight the top level heavyweight fighters. Still think it is a disgrace by the IBF to have taken the title of Fury basically straight away.
All that's in the division is journeymen, though.
The only good heavyweight fights you seen on to these days are in black and white.
These guys may or may not prove to be fighters that go down as greats when the history of the current era of boxing is written but there is plenty of potential amongst the main contenders. You have Deontay Wilder, unbeaten and yet to reach his prime, Tyson Fury, unbeaten and yet to reach his prime, Anthony Joshua, Olympic Champion, a novice but unbeaten and nowhere near his prime. Charles Martin, new to the mix but only 29 and unbeaten. Throw in decent other unbeaten fighters like Hughie Fury, Luis Ortiz and Parker along with former champions Haye and Klitchko and decent contenders like Povetkin, Stiverne and Pulev then you have as good a mix of heavyweights as we have had in a long time. To write all these boxers off as journeymen is very premature and a bit like an old man in a pub reminiscing of the good old days. There most likely isn't an Ali or a Tyson amongst them but in terms of recreating a buzz that's been long gone in heavyweight boxing, then I think we are in for an interesting few years.
Pacman dropped by Nike
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/17/manny-pacquiao-gay-comments-nike-boxing?CMP=share_btn_tw
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 17, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
Pacman dropped by Nike
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/17/manny-pacquiao-gay-comments-nike-boxing?CMP=share_btn_tw
Nike having some serious trouble with their headline athletes over the past few years :o
Really like Frampton but don't know why he has got so personal with Quigg....
Some of the interviews are hard watching....
Understand the needs to get into your opponents head etc but I cant help feel the McGuigans have got the marketing wrong here....
Should be a cracking fight.....hope he does it....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 19, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
Really like Frampton but don't know why he has got so personal with Quigg....
Some of the interviews are hard watching....
Understand the needs to get into your opponents head etc but I cant help feel the McGuigans have got the marketing wrong here....
Should be a cracking fight.....hope he does it....
Think its a lot more to do with the promoter's in fairness.... You will get this pumped up talk before all fights, just hoping that Carl has fought harder fights than Quigg, and has more to lose than Quigg, either way I feel they will both be fighting again in Belfast
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Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 19, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
Really like Frampton but don't know why he has got so personal with Quigg....
Some of the interviews are hard watching....
Understand the needs to get into your opponents head etc but I cant help feel the McGuigans have got the marketing wrong here....
Should be a cracking fight.....hope he does it....
Think its a lot more to do with the promoter's in fairness.... You will get this pumped up talk before all fights, just hoping that Carl has fought harder fights than Quigg, and has more to lose than Quigg, either way I feel they will both be fighting again in Belfast
Yeah perhaps....
Problem is Frampton is doing most of the trash talk.....not too much from Quigg....
Is there 2 fights agreed? Remember some talk of this way back.....
The winner will not want to offer a rematch too quick.....
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2016, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on February 19, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
Really like Frampton but don't know why he has got so personal with Quigg....
Some of the interviews are hard watching....
Understand the needs to get into your opponents head etc but I cant help feel the McGuigans have got the marketing wrong here....
Should be a cracking fight.....hope he does it....
Think its a lot more to do with the promoter's in fairness.... You will get this pumped up talk before all fights, just hoping that Carl has fought harder fights than Quigg, and has more to lose than Quigg, either way I feel they will both be fighting again in Belfast
Yeah perhaps....
Problem is Frampton is doing most of the trash talk.....not too much from Quigg....
Is there 2 fights agreed? Remember some talk of this way back.....
The winner will not want to offer a rematch too quick.....
Not sure but financially it would be silly not to, as there is a lot of attention at this division for a change
Quiggs trash talked every bit as much bringing up gym stories of Carl being dropped etc. Thats generally a taboo thing that fighters shouldnt bring up or talk about. Also Joe Gallagher has been personal about Shane McGuigan. It's all a part of the game, don't forget also that these sky shows are edited on Eddie Hearns approval. Team Frampton were unhappy with the 'The Gloves Are Off' edit and alluded to the bias in the editing.
Genuinely get a bit nervous when I think about the fight. It's so rare to get two fighters at their peak meeting each other like this.
The majority of the trash talking is coming from Quigg, Gallagher and Hearn. Hearn is a parasite and the sight of him jumping about the ring clinging onto others success absolutely sickens me. Wasn't too long ago that he was saying that Gallagher didn't want Quigg to fight Frampton (when Hearn was with Frampton). Frampton seems to be a bit wound up, hopefully keeps to his gameplan when the fight starts.
Right who's going to win on Saturday? I'm worried Quigg might sneak it.
Does Carl need an early win? If it goes the distance will Quigg shade it?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 23, 2016, 09:56:02 AM
Right who's going to win on Saturday? I'm worried Quigg might sneak it.
Does Carl need an early win? If it goes the distance will Quigg shade it?
Worried on two fronts...Carl not sticking to a plan and getting carried away and Quiggs longer reach on those body shots.. If the Best Frampton is in the room he'll beat Quigg in 6th or 7th round... but if it goes the distance it will be very tight and I wouldn't be surprise if it were a draw and rematch in Belfast.... call me cynical ;)
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 23, 2016, 09:56:02 AM
Right who's going to win on Saturday? I'm worried Quigg might sneak it.
Does Carl need an early win? If it goes the distance will Quigg shade it?
Worried on two fronts...Carl not sticking to a plan and getting carried away and Quiggs longer reach on those body shots.. If the Best Frampton is in the room he'll beat Quigg in 6th or 7th round... but if it goes the distance it will be very tight and I wouldn't be surprise if it were a draw and rematch in Belfast.... call me cynical ;)
I'll be having a small bet on Quigg to win inside the distance. I've followed his career from the early days and the improvement in him over time has been immense. Any analysis of Quigg based on fights 2 or 3 years ago is of no use in my opinion. I also don't really see any major improvement in Frampton in recent fights and although he is definitely the more gifted of the two, if Quigg can rattle him and it turns into a war then I can only see one winner. Can't wait for it - out for a few beers for the rugby so hopefully I'll still be seeing clearly when the fight starts.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2016, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 23, 2016, 09:56:02 AM
Right who's going to win on Saturday? I'm worried Quigg might sneak it.
Does Carl need an early win? If it goes the distance will Quigg shade it?
Worried on two fronts...Carl not sticking to a plan and getting carried away and Quiggs longer reach on those body shots.. If the Best Frampton is in the room he'll beat Quigg in 6th or 7th round... but if it goes the distance it will be very tight and I wouldn't be surprise if it were a draw and rematch in Belfast.... call me cynical ;)
I'll be having a small bet on Quigg to win inside the distance. I've followed his career from the early days and the improvement in him over time has been immense. Any analysis of Quigg based on fights 2 or 3 years ago is of no use in my opinion. I also don't really see any major improvement in Frampton in recent fights and although he is definitely the more gifted of the two, if Quigg can rattle him and it turns into a war then I can only see one winner. Can't wait for it - out for a few beers for the rugby so hopefully I'll still be seeing clearly when the fight starts.
Aye I'm doing the same, hoping the bars have it on in Belfast... was to head over and watch it but have other things on..... if it gets past 6/7 rounds it will go the distance ..... down to how the judges see it and who lands the most punches ... on that score more than likely Carl ....
you are right about Quiggs improvement for sure... but the fight with Kiko cant be judged for lie for like with Carls fights... As for the fiasco in America I think both Carl and Shane didn't prepare as well as they should have in fairness... two even fighters, hope it live up to the hype
Was looking on the Manchester Arena website for details of undercard and timings, and saw that there are tickets still available. Surprised at how expensive they are. Range from £163 in Tier One to £523 for ringside. The cheaper Tier 2 seats are all gone, but that's a lot of money for an evening's entertainment.
Quote from: Hound on February 24, 2016, 10:07:12 AM
Was looking on the Manchester Arena website for details of undercard and timings, and saw that there are tickets still available. Surprised at how expensive they are. Range from £163 in Tier One to £523 for ringside. The cheaper Tier 2 seats are all gone, but that's a lot of money for an evening's entertainment.
Quigg hasn't sold his allocation for the fight... had said to Frampton that he'll have to deal with the home crowd as well as him during the fight!!
Quote from: Hound on February 24, 2016, 10:07:12 AM
Was looking on the Manchester Arena website for details of undercard and timings, and saw that there are tickets still available. Surprised at how expensive they are. Range from £163 in Tier One to £523 for ringside. The cheaper Tier 2 seats are all gone, but that's a lot of money for an evening's entertainment.
£16.95 on Sky PPV is expensive for it ;)
Will be in Monaghan town Saturday night I wonder will any of the fine establishments be showing the Frampton quigg fight
The AIBA (world governing body) have announced that pro boxers will be able to compete in the Olympics and that changes will come into effect in time for this year's competition.
It's a big move and even though all contenders should have been selected at this stage, apparently it is down to each individual national federation on who they select to go forward.
I really can't see it having much of an impact in terms of the forthcoming competition.
In re Frampton vs Quigg - I expect the price to shorten on Quigg between now and fight night, I think anyone looking value on Frampton would be better served waiting to the night of the fight. Expect Frampton to win but if it goes past 8 I think it will be that tight that a draw isn't out of the question.
Dunno, I think it could be huge, if a little late for this Olympics: http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2016/0224/770533-aiba-president/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2016/0224/770533-aiba-president/)
Any chance Rigondeaux would fight for us? :D ;)
What time is the fight due to be on at?
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2016, 06:20:16 PM
Dunno, I think it could be huge, if a little late for this Olympics: http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2016/0224/770533-aiba-president/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2016/0224/770533-aiba-president/)
Any chance Rigondeaux would fight for us? :D ;)
No doubt about it's a big move, if it get fully implemented it's a game changer but what I was saying above is that I can't see it having much impact in terms of the forthcoming olympics. Too much has been invested in the fighters already selected to change much up at this stage.
Could see some interesting match ups down the line. What's to stop Money Mayweather (who apparently doesn't care about money as much now) pursuing that Olympic gold he felt he was cheated out of ?
Ring walk - scheduled for 10.45.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on February 24, 2016, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: muppet on February 24, 2016, 06:20:16 PM
Dunno, I think it could be huge, if a little late for this Olympics: http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2016/0224/770533-aiba-president/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2016/0224/770533-aiba-president/)
Any chance Rigondeaux would fight for us? :D ;)
No doubt about it's a big move, if it get fully implemented it's a game changer but what I was saying above is that I can't see it having much impact in terms of the forthcoming olympics. Too much has been invested in the fighters already selected to change much up at this stage.
Could see some interesting match ups down the line. What's to stop Money Mayweather (who apparently doesn't care about money as much now) pursuing that Olympic gold he felt he was cheated out of ?
Ring walk - scheduled for 10.45.
Did I not hear that anyone who had more than 15 paid pro fights is ineligible??
The less than 15 pro bouts rule came in a couple of years back, it would rule out the majority of top pros although when I think about it someone like AJ couldn't have had that many fights. As long as they signed a short term contract with the AIBA and had less than 15 paid bouts they were good. That rule didn't have much of an impact as far as I know. But the new proposals would abolish restrictions altogether.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 24, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 24, 2016, 10:07:12 AM
Was looking on the Manchester Arena website for details of undercard and timings, and saw that there are tickets still available. Surprised at how expensive they are. Range from £163 in Tier One to £523 for ringside. The cheaper Tier 2 seats are all gone, but that's a lot of money for an evening's entertainment.
£16.95 on Sky PPV is expensive for it ;)
These skyboxes are some craic, ye can watch PPV events free, I know I will be watching it for free. :)
I wouldn't be relying on one of those boxes to watch a Sky Box Office. Reason I say that is as far as I know you are watching those boxes off the back of a cloned signal, so while there will be a lot of people that have sky sports packages only a fraction of those will get sky box office out on the night of the fight. As a result for most sky sports box office events you will get really bad freezing to the extent it will be unwatchable. That was my experience when tried to watch the Klitschko vs Fury fight at a mates, ended up watching it on a stream on the PC it was that bad.
Open to correction on the above, maybe someone who knows more about those boxes can advise ?
I've watched loads on Ppv recently including mayweather and pacquaio and it was perfect.
If you use the beast build on Kodi you will find mamahd which is brilliant and reliable for fights.
I wonder if there is any truth in Frampton struggling to make the weight again. I know they have a Saturday morning weight check scheduled too but apparently Quigg is looking massive in comparison to him at the minute, so hopefully its not true and doesn't affect him in the latter rounds.
Exciting times ahead with this fight, McGregor next week, Joshua fighting for the IBF belt, Fury defending his belt and then you will have glass jaw v Alvarez and hopefully in the autumn we will get GGG v Alvarez and Kovalev v Ward or Stevenson.
Most experts seem to agree that Quigg is the harder hit but Frampton a smarter fighter.
Looks like a 50/50. Neither fighter a top level boxer but the best there are on these shores.
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Most experts seem to agree that Quigg is the harder hit but Frampton a smarter fighter.
Looks like a 50/50. Neither fighter a top level boxer but the best there are on these shores.
No one at this weight in the world will be making close to what these guys will earn on Saturday.... Draw rematch I believe..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Most experts seem to agree that Quigg is the harder hit but Frampton a smarter fighter.
Looks like a 50/50. Neither fighter a top level boxer but the best there are on these shores.
No one at this weight in the world will be making close to what these guys will earn on Saturday....
Aye, same as the English Premier League.
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2016, 10:39:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Most experts seem to agree that Quigg is the harder hit but Frampton a smarter fighter.
Looks like a 50/50. Neither fighter a top level boxer but the best there are on these shores.
No one at this weight in the world will be making close to what these guys will earn on Saturday....
Aye, same as the English Premier League.
Agreed....
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Most experts seem to agree that Quigg is the harder hit but Frampton a smarter fighter.
Looks like a 50/50. Neither fighter a top level boxer but the best there are on these shores.
A bit harsh saying neither are top level. They are both at the top of their division. The one man to fight both has said that Frampton hits harder.
Is the Frampton/Quigg weigh-in live on Sky Sports News?
Both fighters are top level boxers, ignorant statement. Whether they are the best at the weight remains to be seen.
Head on the block - Frampton (on points)
The more I think about it, the more I am siding with Frampton unless there is a weight issue which is going to affect him later in the fight. Quiggs win against Martinez has him rated higher than he should be, Martinez made a major balls and left himself exposed and he duly got hit flush. In saying that, Quiggs finishing looked to leave a lot to be desired as he was just throwing wild swings and missing with most of them. I don't think his power is anything special either, Martinez wasn't that badly hurt considering the number of punches that were thrown his way, and ultimately it was the ref who stepped in.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 26, 2016, 11:40:58 AM
The more I think about it, the more I am siding with Frampton unless there is a weight issue which is going to affect him later in the fight. Quiggs win against Martinez has him rated higher than he should be, Martinez made a major balls and left himself exposed and he duly got hit flush. In saying that, Quiggs finishing looked to leave a lot to be desired as he was just throwing wild swings and missing with most of them. I don't think his power is anything special either, Martinez wasn't that badly hurt considering the number of punches that were thrown his way, and ultimately it was the ref who stepped in.
The sign of a good fighter is that they expose any mistakes and taking out Kiko in that fashion should not be underestimated. As much as I want Frampton to win, I worry that Quigg is being seriously under-rated by most of Frampton's Irish followers, who seem happy to dismiss Quigg's impressive performance v Kiko, yet are quite happy to ignore Frampton's abject performance v Gonzalez. I'm really looking forward to it and although I will have a few pounds on a Quigg KO, I'd love to see Frampton turn in a performance that really lifts into the world class bracket.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 26, 2016, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 26, 2016, 11:40:58 AM
The more I think about it, the more I am siding with Frampton unless there is a weight issue which is going to affect him later in the fight. Quiggs win against Martinez has him rated higher than he should be, Martinez made a major balls and left himself exposed and he duly got hit flush. In saying that, Quiggs finishing looked to leave a lot to be desired as he was just throwing wild swings and missing with most of them. I don't think his power is anything special either, Martinez wasn't that badly hurt considering the number of punches that were thrown his way, and ultimately it was the ref who stepped in.
The sign of a good fighter is that they expose any mistakes and taking out Kiko in that fashion should not be underestimated. As much as I want Frampton to win, I worry that Quigg is being seriously under-rated by most of Frampton's Irish followers, who seem happy to dismiss Quigg's impressive performance v Kiko, yet are quite happy to ignore Frampton's abject performance v Gonzalez. I'm really looking forward to it and although I will have a few pounds on a Quigg KO, I'd love to see Frampton turn in a performance that really lifts into the world class bracket.
Both fighters in serious nick at the weigh-in. Frampton has huge support over as you'd expect.
Never realised quite how much of a knob-jockey Barry McGuigan was until I heard him on the radio over the whole dressing room thing claiming he had got inside Quigg's head. Complete tool. Someone who lost his entire fortune because he didn't know the meaning of the 'literally' shouldn't attempt to play mind games with anyonr!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 26, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
Never realised quite how much of a knob-jockey Barry McGuigan was until I heard him on the radio over the whole dressing room thing claiming he had got inside Quigg's head. Complete tool. Someone who lost his entire fortune because he didn't know the meaning of the 'literally' shouldn't attempt to play mind games with anyonr!
He is a complete bollocks but was a tremendous boxer in his day.
Quote from: stew on February 27, 2016, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 26, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
Never realised quite how much of a knob-jockey Barry McGuigan was until I heard him on the radio over the whole dressing room thing claiming he had got inside Quigg's head. Complete tool. Someone who lost his entire fortune because he didn't know the meaning of the 'literally' shouldn't attempt to play mind games with anyonr!
He is a complete bollocks but was a tremendous boxer in his day.
Why is he a completed bollocks?
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Quote from: stew on February 27, 2016, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 26, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
Never realised quite how much of a knob-jockey Barry McGuigan was until I heard him on the radio over the whole dressing room thing claiming he had got inside Quigg's head. Complete tool. Someone who lost his entire fortune because he didn't know the meaning of the 'literally' shouldn't attempt to play mind games with anyonr!
He is a complete bollocks but was a tremendous boxer in his day.
Why is he a completed bollocks?
he is a complete attention seeker, continually trying to steal the limelight. at the weigh-in he was acting like he was star of the show.
Never got the anti-Barry shore on here. There's far more obnoxious boxing promoters.
Quote from: Syferus on February 27, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Never got the anti-Barry shore on here. There's far more obnoxious boxing promoters.
We wouldn't be Irish if we didn't hate our own :o
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Quote from: Gaffer on February 27, 2016, 12:55:25 PM
Quote from: stew on February 27, 2016, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 26, 2016, 09:48:46 PM
Never realised quite how much of a knob-jockey Barry McGuigan was until I heard him on the radio over the whole dressing room thing claiming he had got inside Quigg's head. Complete tool. Someone who lost his entire fortune because he didn't know the meaning of the 'literally' shouldn't attempt to play mind games with anyonr!
He is a complete bollocks but was a tremendous boxer in his day.
Why is he a completed bollocks?
he is a complete attention seeker, continually trying to steal the limelight. at the weigh-in he was acting like he was star of the show.
Don't accept that at all but you 're entitled to your opinion
Any one know a site that u could stream the fight off?? many thanks
Quote from: front of the mountain on February 27, 2016, 06:54:37 PM
Any one know a site that u could stream the fight off?? many thanks
http://www.vipleague.is/boxing/350494/1/scott-quigg-vs-carl-frampton-:-ibf-and-wba-super-bantamweight-titles-live-stream-online.html
Quote from: charlieTully on February 27, 2016, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: front of the mountain on February 27, 2016, 06:54:37 PM
Any one know a site that u could stream the fight off?? many thanks
http://www.vipleague.is/boxing/350494/1/scott-quigg-vs-carl-frampton-:-ibf-and-wba-super-bantamweight-titles-live-stream-online.html
What time does it start?
Quote from: johnneycool on February 27, 2016, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 27, 2016, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: front of the mountain on February 27, 2016, 06:54:37 PM
Any one know a site that u could stream the fight off?? many thanks
http://www.vipleague.is/boxing/350494/1/scott-quigg-vs-carl-frampton-:-ibf-and-wba-super-bantamweight-titles-live-stream-online.html
What time does it start?
Ringwalks 10.45
Quote from: glens73 on February 27, 2016, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 27, 2016, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 27, 2016, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: front of the mountain on February 27, 2016, 06:54:37 PM
Any one know a site that u could stream the fight off?? many thanks
http://www.vipleague.is/boxing/350494/1/scott-quigg-vs-carl-frampton-:-ibf-and-wba-super-bantamweight-titles-live-stream-online.html
Time for Jonathan Ross then 😁
What time does it start?
Ringwalks 10.45
Quigg offering nahin so far.
It's a bit shite so far
Jaysus at least Framptons trying!!!
Quote from: ONeill on February 27, 2016, 11:16:20 PM
Quigg offering nahin so far.
Jimmy Nesbitt ready for the cart.
wake me up when somebody punches someone, its like the mayweather fight, was more punches thrown in the Armagh game!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2016, 11:26:17 PM
wake me up when somebody punches someone, its like the mayweather fight, was more punches thrown in the Armagh game!!
And cheaper to watch.
At last some punches in R7
Oh slumming it on free stream
Quigg smells blood.
Two average boxers. Arse boxed for 8 rounds
Whatever way it finishes it's heading for a rematch. Frampton gonna be pissing blood tomorrow.
Quote from: ONeill on February 27, 2016, 11:43:13 PM
Two average boxers. Arse boxed for 8 rounds
Seems the norm for a boxing match these days.
Win for Frampton.
Jim Watt is so full of shite, Sky trying to make it sound close. Frampton wins easy imo.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 27, 2016, 11:52:23 PM
Jim Watt is so full of shite, Sky trying to make it sound close. Frampton wins easy imo.
Poor fare.
Fair play Frampton
Quote from: Declan on February 27, 2016, 11:54:59 PM
Fair play Frampton
Yep, he won relatively easier that a fight at this level should be. Quigg as poor.
Quote from: ONeill on February 28, 2016, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: Declan on February 27, 2016, 11:54:59 PM
Fair play Frampton
Yep, he won relatively easier that a fight at this level should be. Quigg as poor.
Head to a chippy near you in a couple of hours and you'll see better.
After listening to post fight interviews it's clear that boxing is morphing into WWE. Main points were money and crowd.
Quigg lost the fight in the first 6 rounds in which little was done, he was the better fighter down 4 out of the last 6 rds at least but that blame can be put on his corner. Frampton looked like he had run out of steam after 10 or so
You're persisting with the 2 average boxers narrative I see O'Neill. You'd know more about a buttered cabbage!
The real trouble is people believe the Sky Hyperbole!!! Average bouts are the norm.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 28, 2016, 12:07:47 AM
Quigg lost the fight in the first 6 rounds in which little was done, he was the better fighter down 4 out of the last 6 rds at least but that blame can be put on his corner. Frampton looked like he had run out of steam after 10 or so
He bossed the last round
Quote from: bennydorano on February 28, 2016, 12:09:35 AM
You're persisting with the 2 average boxers narrative I see O'Neill. You'd know more about a buttered cabbage!
The real trouble is people believe the Sky Hyperbole!!! Average bouts are the norm.
Erm....so.....am i wrong?
They might not go down in history as two of the best ever but they're Two of the best in the world at their weight class, so they're definitely not average. It's a shame that the most gifted fighter in boxing is in frampton's weight class. Rigo's skills are a joy to watch but it makes him the most avoided fighter about and I can't see frampton wanting to fight him at this stage of his career.
Not many undefeated 2 belt World Champions are 'average'. Average fight? Most definitely.
Frampton beats Rigdoneaux imo as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 28, 2016, 12:23:06 AM
Not many undefeated 2 belt World Champions are 'average'. Average fight? Most definitely.
Frampton beats Rigdoneaux imo as well.
In Frampton's last 24 rounds have you seen anything that jumps out at you? Quigg tonight was scandalous. A mediocre age.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 28, 2016, 12:23:06 AM
Not many undefeated 2 belt World Champions are 'average'. Average fight? Most definitely.
Frampton beats Rigdoneaux imo as well.
I reckon frampton would get knocked out. The only thing is Rigondeaux's age. He's bound to be on the decline. His fight against Donaire was a masterclass and I wouldn't put frampton at his level.
I was surprised so many people fancied Quigg to win tbh, the we are Engerland mentality probably more than anything else.
If Frampton V Rig happens, it happens in Belfast. That & his age would make me fancy Frampton.
Jimmy Nesbitt drunk in the 2nd row with his norn iron jersey on was the most entertaining thing about the 1st half of the fight...
Quote from: Boycey on February 28, 2016, 12:45:37 AM
Jimmy Nesbitt drunk in the 2nd row with his norn iron jersey on was the most entertaining thing about the 1st half of the fight...
Blocked!
Being reported that Quigg broken his jaw at end of fourth round.
Quote from: bridgegael on February 28, 2016, 01:01:20 AM
Being reported that Quigg broken his jaw at end of fourth round.
He said himself in the post fight interview that his "jaw was gone".
Frampton is either in decline or something isn't right regarding the weight. His punches seem to lack power the past couple of fights and he is seriously fucked come the 9th or 10th round. Not impressive seeing the frequency and desperation of his holding attempts
Most talented fighter at any weight at present is GGG. Froch can sit and talk rubbish all Night on Sky about tactics etc. A poor George Groves put him on his arse and he will stay retired for fear that Golovkhin will destroy him inside 3 Rounds.
Quote from: bridgegael on February 28, 2016, 01:01:20 AM
Being reported that Quigg broken his jaw at end of fourth round.
Don't know how, he didn't take his hands away from it to get hit.
I gave it 4 up to Frampton and I was trying not to mark it down as a home town scorer.
Hard to fight someone who's not interested in fighting.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 28, 2016, 01:57:57 AM
Frampton is either in decline or something isn't right regarding the weight. His punches seem to lack power the past couple of fights and he is seriously fucked come the 9th or 10th round. Not impressive seeing the frequency and desperation of his holding attempts
He's now a two belt world champion and went to the other titlist's home, broke his fecking jaw and won handy. There's always one. Or two.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 28, 2016, 12:36:18 AM
I was surprised so many people fancied Quigg to win tbh, the we are Engerland mentality probably more than anything else.
If Frampton V Rig happens, it happens in Belfast. That & his age would make me fancy Frampton.
Did you give your prediction pre fight? It's very easy to predict things after the event. I was massively disappointed by the fight, fair play to Frampton but he doesn't beat Rigo in my view!
Quote from: guevara on February 28, 2016, 02:04:17 AM
Most talented fighter at any weight at present is GGG. Froch can sit and talk rubbish all Night on Sky about tactics etc. A poor George Groves put him on his arse and he will stay retired for fear that Golovkhin will destroy him inside 3 Rounds.
Whatever you think of froch, one thing that can't be said about him is that he ducked opponents. He is near 40 and is retired and he should keep it that way.
Quote from: bridgegael on February 28, 2016, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: guevara on February 28, 2016, 02:04:17 AM
Most talented fighter at any weight at present is GGG. Froch can sit and talk rubbish all Night on Sky about tactics etc. A poor George Groves put him on his arse and he will stay retired for fear that Golovkhin will destroy him inside 3 Rounds.
Whatever you think of froch, one thing that can't be said about him is that he ducked opponents. He is near 40 and is retired and he should keep it that way.
Agreed! Was thinking about how much a fighter like Froch will be missed after watching that tepid affair last night. Always produced great battles and ducked no one, ever. Groves may be an average enough fighter @ that level but he's strong. He caught Froch flush with a punch of a lifetime. Most fighters wouldn't have got up to the next day, never mind have the heart to recover mid fight and win. Then destroy him in the rematch.
Some craic. The red hand of ulster waving proudly the Owc songs in full flow. Feck that shit. Feck tigers bay and all that comes out of it. Feck Jimmy nesbitt.
Quote from: charlieTully on February 28, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
Some craic. The red hand of ulster waving proudly the Owc songs in full flow. Feck that shit. Feck tigers bay and all that comes out of it. Feck Jimmy nesbitt.
Hmmm, not taig enough for you?? Drat
Quote from: bridgegael on February 28, 2016, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: guevara on February 28, 2016, 02:04:17 AM
Most talented fighter at any weight at present is GGG. Froch can sit and talk rubbish all Night on Sky about tactics etc. A poor George Groves put him on his arse and he will stay retired for fear that Golovkhin will destroy him inside 3 Rounds.
Whatever you think of froch, one thing that can't be said about him is that he ducked opponents. He is near 40 and is retired and he should keep it that way.
Absolutely. It was a moronic comment.
Quote from: charlieTully on February 28, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
Some craic. The red hand of ulster waving proudly the Owc songs in full flow. Feck that shit. Feck tigers bay and all that comes out of it. Feck Jimmy nesbitt.
ach im just pissed of I lost money, lumped a few quid on quigg after round 8 at 11/4 when he seemed to be getting on top. i couldnt personally stick being at something like that with all the owc shit, my sis was at it said it was painful listening to them. I just havnt moved on as much as you milltown. maybe one day.
Know plenty of republicans who cheered on the Jackal last night. Fair play to him he hasn't an ounce of hate in his body. Jimmy Nesbitt was cringey though that's enough to piss any man off!
Quote from: general_lee on February 28, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
Know plenty of republicans who cheered on the Jackal last night. Fair play to him he hasn't an ounce of hate in his body. Jimmy Nesbitt was cringey though that's enough to piss any man off!
I read an interview where he said he was proud to represent Ireland as an amateur and has no regrets not fighting for the UK.
I'm not a big boxing fan and found that boring for the first 10 rounds but fair play to him he does seem a decent fella.
Quote from: charlieTully on February 28, 2016, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 28, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
Some craic. The red hand of ulster waving proudly the Owc songs in full flow. Feck that shit. Feck tigers bay and all that comes out of it. Feck Jimmy nesbitt.
ach im just pissed of I lost money, lumped a few quid on quigg after round 8 at 11/4 when he seemed to be getting on top. i couldnt personally stick being at something like that with all the owc shit, my sis was at it said it was painful listening to them. I just havnt moved on as much as you milltown. maybe one day.
He's my wife's cousin, I've known the lad for 20 years, he's a decent lad , most people will have an affiliation with someone from a particular area in this shit hole, he's in a mixed marriage and he's boxed for Ireland, outside the ring he's well grounded and a big family man. Unfortunately you can't get rid of some elements that will be owc but hey, its Norn Iron
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2016, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 28, 2016, 10:51:01 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 28, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
Some craic. The red hand of ulster waving proudly the Owc songs in full flow. Feck that shit. Feck tigers bay and all that comes out of it. Feck Jimmy nesbitt.
ach im just pissed of I lost money, lumped a few quid on quigg after round 8 at 11/4 when he seemed to be getting on top. i couldnt personally stick being at something like that with all the owc shit, my sis was at it said it was painful listening to them. I just havnt moved on as much as you milltown. maybe one day.
He's my wife's cousin, I've known the lad for 20 years, he's a decent lad , most people will have an affiliation with someone from a particular area in this shit hole, he's in a mixed marriage and he's boxed for Ireland, outside the ring he's well grounded and a big family man. Unfortunately you can't get rid of some elements that will be owc but hey, its Norn Iron
Fair dues. Your spot on. I suppose when mccloskey was fighting we done exactly the same.
Those talking about Rigondeux - have you actually seen him fight?
No doubt hes a great fighter - when he doesn't have force the fight. If he had to come and try to take the belts away from Frampton I am not sure he would look as impressive as he has done in the past. Any fight that he has looked impressive in has been those where hes invited the boxer on. Frampton has shown a tactical brain that makes it a closer fight than some would suggest.
Quote from: Muzz on February 29, 2016, 04:42:44 PM
Those talking about Rigondeux - have you actually seen him fight?
No doubt hes a great fighter - when he doesn't have force the fight. If he had to come and try to take the belts away from Frampton I am not sure he would look as impressive as he has done in the past. Any fight that he has looked impressive in has been those where hes invited the boxer on. Frampton has shown a tactical brain that makes it a closer fight than some would suggest.
That's the thing - he doesn't have to. While it's nice to hold a few belts, Rigo is the champ at 122 and everyone knows it.
He isn't the champion though - WBA stripped him due to inactivity. No one wants to fight him when he had the title because he would sit back. The fact that it was incredibly boring meant that TV money is not there. Believe what you all want but TV money is the main reason now for making any fight. With the WBA demanding the winner fights Rigo by 27 July you will see Frampton vacate the WBA title. The main reason for this is he will make more money making a deal with IBF to fight Santa Cruz next and then fighting Wake as mandatory.
was a nerve wrecking fight. I had Frampton winning by a narrow margin. He did enough in the first half of the fight and in the closing rounds to wrap it up.
Sky commentators would sicken you - they nearly try to create something out of nothing with their analysis - oh no Quigg is coming back here he is turning the corner and will steal the fight...frampton must be hurt... or struggling with the weight.....
When Frampton took the title against Martinez in Belfast I flew home 6000 miles and took my Da to the fight. 60th Birthday present for him - we were 14 rows from ringside - first time at a Pro fight together. We've been following Frampton and local boxers since I could watch tv -was a special occasion... anyways Frampton found out about it from a mutual friend months later and next thing I get a note in the post from Carl and an autograph though it was a nice touch - that connection with the fans.. classy
Heard more than enough stories like that about him. Fair dues to him, seems like a great lad, hope he can now push on and we might see a few more big fight nights returning to Belfast.
Quote from: Muzz on February 29, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
He isn't the champion though - WBA stripped him due to inactivity. No one wants to fight him when he had the title because he would sit back. The fact that it was incredibly boring meant that TV money is not there. Believe what you all want but TV money is the main reason now for making any fight. With the WBA demanding the winner fights Rigo by 27 July you will see Frampton vacate the WBA title. The main reason for this is he will make more money making a deal with IBF to fight Santa Cruz next and then fighting Wake as mandatory.
Like Gallsman said, Rigo is the main man at that weight. Shane McGuigan has even said as much in a post fight interview. It's too big a risk to fight him. It's a shame people see him as boring because when he is on form he is a joy to watch. His footwork, speed, technique etc is unreal. Donaire was undefeated in 12 years or something like that and Rigo won handy enough. Everyone has a chance in boxing and like frampton, Rigo has been down a few times but I don't think Frampton would beat him at the minute. Santa Cruz would be no push over either!!
Nick Halling and Jim Watt would sicken your dung.Very hard to listen to.
Frampton always came off as a classy guy. One of the best athletes the island has produced.
Did anyone watch Callum Smith there? He looks very impressive, that guy had never been stopped!!. A monster at that weight. George Groves shouldn't go anywhere near him.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 02, 2016, 11:12:30 PM
Did anyone watch Callum Smith there? He looks very impressive, that guy had never been stopped!!. A monster at that weight. George Groves shouldn't go anywhere near him.
Yes very impressive. Some very big fights for him still to come though. Very big for that weight. Lots of power.
The very fact that this is a world heavyweight title fight shows what a farce boxing has become...
Quote from: Boycey on April 09, 2016, 11:10:48 PM
The very fact that this is a world heavyweight title fight shows what a farce boxing has become...
Agreed! Ridiculous, especially the heavyweight division. Sky trying to build Martin up to be something other than a lucky world champion.
Quote from: Boycey on April 09, 2016, 11:10:48 PM
The very fact that this is a world heavyweight title fight shows what a farce boxing has become...
2 huge shots he doled out there in fairness!!!
Ricky Martin would have lasted longer.
Quote from: screenexile on April 09, 2016, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: Boycey on April 09, 2016, 11:10:48 PM
The very fact that this is a world heavyweight title fight shows what a farce boxing has become...
2 huge shots he doled out there in fairness!!!
Yeah, but that's missing the point slightly
Charles Martin was always a sitting duck tonight. Given £2.5m to come over and hand Joshua an easy title, as Boycey said, never a Heavyweight world title fight. Having said that, Joshua can punch!!
Will Tyson Fury fight him?
I don't think so.
Had 4 quid ob Groves to win knockout in fourth round!!!
Seen Frampton stripped off his WBA title there for not defending against Rigondeaux. Looks like a fight against Santa Cruz is on for he summer tho.
Must be frustrating for Rigo tho, he is the most avoided man out there
Would like the same level of patience be applied to Canelo by the WBC
Was Rigo not stripped of his WBA belt because of inactivity?
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Was Rigo not stripped of his WBA belt because of inactivity?
Yeah. No one would fight him.
Didn't really learn anymore about Joshua last night that we don't already know. Wasn't tested at all, was very disappointed by Martin. Hope to see Joshua in with someone with better footwork! He has been wobbled in his last fight so I am still on the fence as to whether he is the real deal or not. Groves looked sharp but again he wasn't up against much. Pacquaio beat bradley and has announced his retirement as well. Watched a bit of it there, went pretty much as expected.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2016, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Was Rigo not stripped of his WBA belt because of inactivity?
Yeah. No one would fight him.
More to it than that surely? Stepping aside for big fat paycheques & the like?
Not sure but he has definitely been avoided by a lot of fighters including the top men.
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 10, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
Seen Frampton stripped off his WBA title there for not defending against Rigondeaux. Looks like a fight against Santa Cruz is on for he summer tho.
Must be frustrating for Rigo tho, he is the most avoided man out there
Would like the same level of patience be applied to Canelo by the WBC
Was a poor WBA title was it not?? Madison Square Gardens hopefully for a fight in summer.. If not away elsewhere I'll be heading to that
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2016, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Was Rigo not stripped of his WBA belt because of inactivity?
Yeah. No one would fight him.
More to it than that surely? Stepping aside for big fat paycheques & the like?
Anything I ever heard about Rigo, he's the best out there watched a few of his fights on youtube seems a different level.
No-one will take him on because the promoters feel he has too negative a style so no-one wants to get battered for shit money.
At the end of the day Frampton is avoiding Rigondeaux, as has many others. Only one result if the two of them fought.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 10, 2016, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 10, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Was Rigo not stripped of his WBA belt because of inactivity?
Yeah. No one would fight him.
More to it than that surely? Stepping aside for big fat paycheques & the like?
did he not have a bad run of injuries and cancelling fights?
Genuinely believe that Frampton himself would fight Rigondeaux but he has been steered elsewhere and you can understand the reasons why.
Carry out the risk vs reward analysis and the fight didn't make sense a couple of days after the victory after Quigg and made even less sense after Rigondeaux inexplicably pulled out of the Jazza Dickens fight in Liverpool a month ago. US promoters don't go near Rigo because of his style and he's not a big draw. You would like to think that Frampton vs Rigondeaux would still be a big fight this side of the pond but not sure it would be a massive PPV event either. Add into the mix that Rigo, you imagine, would have burned bridges with Boxnation after his pull out a month ago and Matchroom has the exclusive deal with Sky. Then I think it is a difficult one to even get off the ground.
Whereas with the prospective Santa Cruz fight, both fighters have links to Al Haymon and it is an easier fight to make in the states. Last I heard it's looking like that fight will take place in LA in the summer although Lee Selby's name seems to have been mentioned a bit recently. I think his name being mentioned is probably being used to wrap up the last sticking points in negotiations with the Santa Cruz fight.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 13, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Genuinely believe that Frampton himself would fight Rigondeaux but he has been steered elsewhere and you can understand the reasons why.
Carry out the risk vs reward analysis and the fight didn't make sense a couple of days after the victory after Quigg and made even less sense after Rigondeaux inexplicably pulled out of the Jazza Dickens fight in Liverpool a month ago. US promoters don't go near Rigo because of his style and he's not a big draw. You would like to think that Frampton vs Rigondeaux would still be a big fight this side of the pond but not sure it would be a massive PPV event either. Add into the mix that Rigo, you imagine, would have burned bridges with Boxnation after his pull out a month ago and Matchroom has the exclusive deal with Sky. Then I think it is a difficult one to even get off the ground.
Whereas with the prospective Santa Cruz fight, both fighters have links to Al Haymon and it is an easier fight to make in the states. Last I heard it's looking like that fight will take place in LA in the summer although Lee Selby's name seems to have been mentioned a bit recently. I think his name being mentioned is probably being used to wrap up the last sticking points in negotiations with the Santa Cruz fight.
Think Carl is hoping for a fight in New York... would be a great place for the local Irish support to come to the fight and give Carl their vocal support.... Plus its any fighters dream to fight in Madison Square Gardens
If it's Madison Square garden, i'll be there. MSG is still on my bucket list.
Came close to going for Sergio Martinez vs Matt Macklin on St Paddy's day a couple of years back but couldn't make it.
A far few would no doubt make the trip from here as well and no doubt the Irish New York fight crowd would get behind Carl as they did Macklin and Lee.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 13, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Genuinely believe that Frampton himself would fight Rigondeaux but he has been steered elsewhere and you can understand the reasons why.
Carry out the risk vs reward analysis and the fight didn't make sense a couple of days after the victory after Quigg and made even less sense after Rigondeaux inexplicably pulled out of the Jazza Dickens fight in Liverpool a month ago. US promoters don't go near Rigo because of his style and he's not a big draw. You would like to think that Frampton vs Rigondeaux would still be a big fight this side of the pond but not sure it would be a massive PPV event either. Add into the mix that Rigo, you imagine, would have burned bridges with Boxnation after his pull out a month ago and Matchroom has the exclusive deal with Sky. Then I think it is a difficult one to even get off the ground.
Whereas with the prospective Santa Cruz fight, both fighters have links to Al Haymon and it is an easier fight to make in the states. Last I heard it's looking like that fight will take place in LA in the summer although Lee Selby's name seems to have been mentioned a bit recently. I think his name being mentioned is probably being used to wrap up the last sticking points in negotiations with the Santa Cruz fight.
Think Carl is hoping for a fight in New York... would be a great place for the local Irish support to come to the fight and give Carl their vocal support.... Plus its any fighters dream to fight in Madison Square Gardens
Would say LA is more likely, a large Mexican support is guarented here
Jaysus, Katie Taylor beaten and Olympic place not secured yet....
Quote from: Boycey on April 15, 2016, 12:55:38 PM
Jaysus, Katie Taylor beaten and Olympic place not secured yet....
Seemed like one of those things that was bound to happen eventually but hopefully she can still secure her place at the Olympics. She is still probably the top boxer at her weight class.
"Only" has to make the semis at the Worlds to qualify which you'd imagine (and hope!) is pretty handily within her capabilities.
Always a shock when Katie is even troubled but it might be the best thing that happens for her Olympic defence. It should erase any lingering complancency that has to build up when you are as dominant as Taylor has been for so long.
Anyone in the states see the boxing on NBC last night?
Errol Spence completely demolished Chris Algeiri in 5 rounds, he looks like another top boxer at 147.
A fight against Brook, Garcia, Bradley, or even Kahn (if he can make the weight again after going up to MW :)) should be a great fight.
I've been watching him for a year or 2 now. Really impressed by him and he was clinical last night. Big future ahead for him but will know better when he meets better opposition.
Just watched Brendan Irvines fight there that got him qualification for the olympics. I would know little about scoring in Amateur boxing but i felt he was very lucky to get the win there.
The other fighter was busier and landed a lot more although he was a bit of a headcase with not much pattern to what he was doing other than being aggressive on the front foot and swinging but definitely looked to be the dominant fighter to my untrained eye :-\ ??
As MR2 indicated a couple of weeks back. Frampton vs Santa Cruz has been agreed for New York. From what I've heard no dates have been confirmed but there is chat that it will take place on 30th July. Massive fight for Carl, it will give him that exposure in the states that the Gonzalez Jr fight failed to deliver.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on April 22, 2016, 10:10:45 PM
As MR2 indicated a couple of weeks back. Frampton vs Santa Cruz has been agreed for New York. From what I've heard no dates have been confirmed but there is chat that it will take place on 30th July. Massive fight for Carl, it will give him that exposure in the states that the Gonzalez Jr fight failed to deliver.
Flights for 569 return for the 30th.... Trying to get permission :P
Floyd MAYWEATHER selects TOP FIVE BOXERS ::) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytrCPuUm_fk
GGG wins handy again at the weekend. What's your opinions on this lad? I've watched a bit of him and yes he does look impressive but surely we have to question his opposition throughout the years? I had friends telling me that he is" the best ever" at the weekend ffs.
I know it has been widely reported, but has there been as high profile a case in the last few years of a boxer being avoided as much as GGG has. He wants the fights but the others are afraid. He has a few of the belts therefore he is fighting mandatories etc and is hardly cherry picking opponents. He is going to fight for the WBC title in September, against who is another question. If Alvarez beats Khan then his team will probably try and push this fight from happening. It would be embarassing if he actually does push for the 155 limit, and surely the WBC have to stand firm on this and not bow to Alvarez and his demands. He is the same size as Golovkin and comes into the ring reportedly at 170, therefore just agree to the fight and get on with it. I do really believe GGG is the real deal, I have never saw a fighter that combines technical abilility with the power he has. He knocks men out no matter where he hits them, even at the weekend he caught Wade with a glancing blow to the back of the head and put him down. His ring craft is second to none given his experience in the amateurs etc, and he also has a strong chin as he tends to eat punches as he is confident is his ability to take them. The only thing that beats him is either age or facing someone bigger.
Would concurr with nrico, love Golovkin think he is my favourite fighter since Kostya Tszyu
I think GGG is the real deal, maybe the best middleweight ever but I dont know if we are ever gonna get a chance to find that out, cause no one of real worth will give him a fight.
Canelo and delaHoya in particular are infuriating for boxing fans with the ducking and catchweights BS. But then the fight already happened at a sparring session in Abel Sanchez's gym where Canelo got beat around the ring for a couple of rounds, so maybe thats the real reason.
There's talk about Saunders going for it as well, and he actually would be as well to take it, he's unlikely to ever get a payday like it again.
BTW the BS talk about Mayweather v GGG is stupid, GGGs power timing and ring cutting would take him to pieces pretty quickly IMO. However it would not be a fair fight for Mayweather as it would be giving up 2 weight classes from his natural weight
He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2016, 09:25:36 AM
He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.
This is my opinion. Best ever is a stretch.
Boxing needs to go to one or possibly 2 belts per division. That would surely cut down all this dodging of fights.
Quote from: lurganblue on April 26, 2016, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2016, 09:25:36 AM
He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.
This is my opinion. Best ever is a stretch.
Boxing needs to go to one or possibly 2 belts per division. That would surely cut down all this dodging of fights.
Thing is, great opponents make great champs and he just is not getting great opponents
For example prior to Duran, Hearns et all moving up to MW Hagler wasnt considered anything special but after he disposed of them was considered one of the greatest.
I dont know enough about Robinson but I suspect that Monzon is the only guy who would have had a hope against Golovkin at MW. But like I say...I suspect! We may never actually find out how good he is unless the governing bodies get their act together and give the fights we all want to see
I think the press conference was a complete farce . . . Our Heavyweight Champion of the World everyone!!
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/boxing/2016/04/27/FURY_TOP-large_trans++OfbQuL7vt0ioTIEx8Tqi0NrxIh4X-3UtybZnoeSids8.jpg)
There seemed to be a lot of talk of Klitschko's cheating with padding in rings/gloves etc.
Is that valid?
Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.
What is illegal about the jab? Considered by many - who would know a lot more than me - to be the best jab since Larry Holmes. Think your judgement being clouded by fact his fights were boring by and large but shouldn't take away from him being good fighter. Be interesting rematch.
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He's great but best ever? Up there with Robinson, Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins? Not yet in my opinion, nowhere close.
This is my opinion. Best ever is a stretch.
Boxing needs to go to one or possibly 2 belts per division. That would surely cut down all this dodging of fights.
Thing is, great opponents make great champs and he just is not getting great opponents
For example prior to Duran, Hearns et all moving up to MW Hagler wasnt considered anything special but after he disposed of them was considered one of the greatest.
I dont know enough about Robinson but I suspect that Monzon is the only guy who would have had a hope against Golovkin at MW. But like I say...I suspect! We may never actually find out how good he is unless the governing bodies get their act together and give the fights we all want to see
GGG is different class to what is around today. Needs to fight Andre Ward and kovalev though. As to where he ranks vs the greats of yesteryear, not sure. Hagler is rated so highly on the basis of the famous four to some extent but he was the naturally heavier man among them. for my money he was robbed against Sugar Ray but were his real middleweight opponents that much better than GGG's?
GGG a small enough middleweight is hardly going to jump two weight classes to fight Kova and Ward who are operating at Light Heavy. He's a genuine middleweight and wants to clear up the division but today it's an absolute nightmare to get unification fights, especially for GGG. If Canelo avoids him I'll be gutted. Billy Joe Saunders will do his very best to avoid him at all costs too.
The criticism of Klitschko is valid. He always had a thick sponge underlay under the canvas so it was hard to move and only he trained with such a canvas thus giving him an advantage. The Furys stood up to Klitschko (who is a control freak) on the canvas and hand wraps (wrapped his hands without a member of Furys team present). Wlad and Vitali were bad for the heavyweight scene as they fought only in Germany and had boring styles (more so Wlad), so I hope Fury wins setting up some good fights with Joshua, Wilder and Haye. Wlad seemed pissed off at today's press conference, he really hates Fury's antics and has the bit between his teeth, will it result in a more aggressive and positive performance.... I'm not sure!
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.
I always had the same view on Vlad, his success was down to his size and reach advantage more than anything else. The past few years I was harping on that Fury would beat him and he did, quite comfortably too. People say that Vlad had an off day etc, but it was simply a case of when faced with someone he couldn't control with his reach and it came down to pure boxing ability, Fury is simply better. Fury should win the rematch too and hopefully set up a few big fights with Haye, Fury etc.
Kovalev v Andre Ward signed apparently. Probably the best match up of the year.
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GGG a small enough middleweight is hardly going to jump two weight classes to fight Kova and Ward who are operating at Light Heavy. He's a genuine middleweight and wants to clear up the division but today it's an absolute nightmare to get unification fights, especially for GGG. If Canelo avoids him I'll be gutted. Billy Joe Saunders will do his very best to avoid him at all costs too.
The criticism of Klitschko is valid. He always had a thick sponge underlay under the canvas so it was hard to move and only he trained with such a canvas thus giving him an advantage. The Furys stood up to Klitschko (who is a control freak) on the canvas and hand wraps (wrapped his hands without a member of Furys team present). Wlad and Vitali were bad for the heavyweight scene as they fought only in Germany and had boring styles (more so Wlad), so I hope Fury wins setting up some good fights with Joshua, Wilder and Haye. Wlad seemed pissed off at today's press conference, he really hates Fury's antics and has the bit between his teeth, will it result in a more aggressive and positive performance.... I'm not sure!
Didn't realize Ward had already stepped up in weight. GGG is not the tallest but is barrel chested and I would have him down to beat anyone at 168 with possible exception of ward. 175 May be a stretch but we can all dream...
Criticism of Wlad is absolutely fair, but one thing is criticism, another is saying his jab is illegal. Like him or loathe him it has been one of the best punches in any division over the past 10 years.
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Quote from: TF15 on April 27, 2016, 09:58:42 PM
GGG a small enough middleweight is hardly going to jump two weight classes to fight Kova and Ward who are operating at Light Heavy. He's a genuine middleweight and wants to clear up the division but today it's an absolute nightmare to get unification fights, especially for GGG. If Canelo avoids him I'll be gutted. Billy Joe Saunders will do his very best to avoid him at all costs too.
The criticism of Klitschko is valid. He always had a thick sponge underlay under the canvas so it was hard to move and only he trained with such a canvas thus giving him an advantage. The Furys stood up to Klitschko (who is a control freak) on the canvas and hand wraps (wrapped his hands without a member of Furys team present). Wlad and Vitali were bad for the heavyweight scene as they fought only in Germany and had boring styles (more so Wlad), so I hope Fury wins setting up some good fights with Joshua, Wilder and Haye. Wlad seemed pissed off at today's press conference, he really hates Fury's antics and has the bit between his teeth, will it result in a more aggressive and positive performance.... I'm not sure!
Didn't realize Ward had already stepped up in weight. GGG is not the tallest but is barrel chested and I would have him down to beat anyone at 168 with possible exception of ward. 175 May be a stretch but we can all dream...
Criticism of Wlad is absolutely fair, but one thing is criticism, another is saying his jab is illegal. Like him or loathe him it has been one of the best punches in any division over the past 10 years.
Ward is supposedly gonna fight Kovalev b4 the year is out so thats why he moved up, and he probably will considering that the fight is about as big as either of the two can generate. Should be good..... really could go either way, but I would go with Kovalev.
Dont know about GGG v either of these two,for a start both are alot bigger than he is.
Im guessing Golovkin would try and box Kovalev as he is a way bigger man with bombs in both hands, he defo wouldnt walk thru his punches in a hurry. Ward I dunno I still think that Golovkin could walk him down tho Ward would likely have enough power to keep him off. Either of these two bouts would be great to see and much better than Canelo v Golovkin which would end up the same way as the rest of Golovkins bouts IMO
great win for Jamie Conlon. An absolute tear up as well. Both men down a few times and both looked beat a few time but came back. Conlon with a lovey body shot to finish it!
I reckon Ward beats Kovalev at LH and GGG at 168. In my opinion he is underrated. The man is a genius but I don't know how bad the time off will have affected him. His most recent fight he looked OK. I don't think he lost a round and he wasn't fighting any mug either!
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Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.
What is illegal about the jab? Considered by many - who would know a lot more than me - to be the best jab since Larry Holmes. Think your judgement being clouded by fact his fights were boring by and large but shouldn't take away from him being good fighter. Be interesting rematch.
Calling it a jab is the wrong term for it. Most of the time it was a clubbing motion that doesn't even resemble a punch. Best jab in decades my arse - big tall lad who can club v poor fighters equals a lot of wins.
Ward v GGG would be one of the few fights I'd be very excited for. Whatever about numbers it would be one of the true super fights of our generation and a fascinating class of styles.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Vlad beat alot of blown up cruiserweights he could paw away (illegally) with his big jab. Met a half decent big guy with a longer reach who could do the same to him and he was fûcked. Him continually clinching inside rather than trying to mix it with the big man really put paid to the idea he has a high boxing IQ. One note is the best way to describe him tbh.
What is illegal about the jab? Considered by many - who would know a lot more than me - to be the best jab since Larry Holmes. Think your judgement being clouded by fact his fights were boring by and large but shouldn't take away from him being good fighter. Be interesting rematch.
Calling it a jab is the wrong term for it. Most of the time it was a clubbing motion that doesn't even resemble a punch. Best jab in decades my arse - big tall lad who can club v poor fighters equals a lot of wins.
Your arse indeed. As for calling it illegal, what absolute nonsense ::)
James DeGale is thoroughly unlikeable
Quote from: Gold on May 01, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
James DeGale is thoroughly unlikeable
100%. Every time he fights, hope he gets sparked. Would love GGG to fight him
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James DeGale is thoroughly unlikeable
100%. Every time he fights, hope he gets sparked. Would love GGG to fight him
DeGale thinks he is better than he is. The Super Middleweight division is pretty poor at the minute and DeGale has not been too impressive in taking the title and defending it. He doesn't have the power to trouble the best in the division and he tires something serious in fights. Even at the weekend, against an average enough fighter, he took a fair bit of punishment.
As for Golovkin, he should stick to middleweight until he unifies the division and go no higher than SM. As I said, the only thing that beats him apart from age is going up and fighting someone who is a lot bigger. I think Kovalev will beat Ward too, heard la while back that this fight is definitely happening in the Autumn and I cannot wait for it.
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James DeGale is thoroughly unlikeable
100%. Every time he fights, hope he gets sparked. Would love GGG to fight him
DeGale thinks he is better than he is. The Super Middleweight division is pretty poor at the minute and DeGale has not been too impressive in taking the title and defending it. He doesn't have the power to trouble the best in the division and he tires something serious in fights. Even at the weekend, against an average enough fighter, he took a fair bit of punishment.
As for Golovkin, he should stick to middleweight until he unifies the division and go no higher than SM. As I said, the only thing that beats him apart from age is going up and fighting someone who is a lot bigger. I think Kovalev will beat Ward too, heard la while back that this fight is definitely happening in the Autumn and I cannot wait for it.
I agree re. Degale but his improvement has been impressive and he's not afraid to go and fight away from home which has to be respected. I'm excited about seeing how Callum Smith develops in this division. I think he has the potential to do a lot of damage, give him a year or so and a fight very GGG could be very interesting!
Mayweather v McGregor??? Really???
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Mayweather v McGregor??? Really???
Have no idea what your source is but no, not really. Will never happen.
Khan Canelo this weekend. Whatever's people's thoughts on Khan, he's bloody good to watch and this is a brave, brave move.
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Mayweather v McGregor??? Really???
Have no idea what your source is but no, not really. Will never happen.
Khan Canelo this weekend. Whatever's people's thoughts on Khan, he's bloody good to watch and this is a brave, brave move.
Khan a massive underdog....
Does he have a chance...
He's hit the canvas a few times but how he stayed up against Maidana I will never know.....
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Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2016, 02:31:07 PM
Mayweather v McGregor??? Really???
Have no idea what your source is but no, not really. Will never happen.
Khan Canelo this weekend. Whatever's people's thoughts on Khan, he's bloody good to watch and this is a brave, brave move.
Unless virgil hunter has came up with a plan to well protect Khan's glass chin then i fancy him to be knocked on his ass inside 9. I dont see him having the power to trouble canelo either.
I think Kahn defo has a chance, he has the skills, hand speed and guts to beat Canelo, however I just dont think he will.... that ole chin and love of a brawl will be is undoing i think. But u never know...
Dont really think its a brave move as such, he is in it for the money IMO
You have to give him his props, he has some stones but I'd expect him to take a world of punishment and a late KO if he doesn't get sparked early because he aint going to be able to keep Canelo off him. His only chance is to run but be interesting to see if the extra weight slows him down at all.
Both came in at 155. Kahn looked alot bigger as youd expect, but kinda chunky TBH, would worry he is gonna be giving up alot of weight tomorrow night... likely to be at least 10lbs.
Throw that in on top of Kahn needing to move as cike pointed out with all that weight and youd start to wonder how he can do it.
Also Virgil Hunter reckons Kahn does not have the killer instinct :o. Kinda crazy admission for a trainer to come out with in public.
So how much weight can these fellas put on after a weigh in?
No expert but a stone or more at middlweight up wouldnt be unheard of
Khan hasn't a chance in my opinion. Might have some success in early rounds but as the fight goes on he will tire more than the bigger man and it will be game over. Smart move from Khan, take this big pay day while the opportunity presents itself. He has nothing to lose, if he gets beat everyone expected it. Whereas if he fights Brook or someone now and gets beat then he loses that big money fight against the likes of Canelo. Would love to see GGG and Canelo fight at 160. I hate this catchweight Canelo has invented.
Well Im no expert on it but basically they sweat it all outfor weigh in and then rehydrate in the next 24hrs.
Canelo is a bit of a freak, Ive heard that he's went in to the ring at 180lbs from a 155 limit so thats 25lbs, nearly feckin 2 stone.
But I would say typical at this weight would be 10-15lbs.
Mayweather walks around close to his fighting weight. I remember a few fights when he weighed in around 147 and then the same or lighter on fight night. I think he weight 150 at the weigh in with De La Hoya and then on fight night weighed in 149 or something. It must be hell for the bigger fellas to cut weight close to a big fight.
Looking forward to this fight. It's win win for Khan. He was on the verge of being forgotten about after being over looked by Mayweather and Pacquiao and seemingly not wanting to fight Kell Brook.
Being involved in an arena opening fight against Alvarez is a big deal and puts Khan firmly back in the limelight.
Baffled by both Hunter and Khan seemingly delivering their game plan to Alvarez on a plate. Both citing a lack of power and reluctance to mix it with Alvarez. The game plan seems so obvious, it makes me wonder is this some sort of bluff and mixing it with Alvarez is exactly what they plan to do ?
You would imagine that would be nothing short of boxing suicide. As few have already pointed out. Alvarez will walk into that ring with something close to a 12 lbs advantage and trying to mix it with Alvarez is the last thing he should be trying to do. At the same time it remains to be seen what the extra weight does to Khan's speed.
Everything points to an Alvarez KO but I don't think Alvarez will be able to put Khan away and won't be overly worried about that as a weight laden Khan won't present the lightening speed some in the Uk media think he will be capable of. I have a feeling the fight will go the distance with Alvarez getting a comfortable enough decision.
As much as I dislike Khan and hate it when I see him on pundit duties he is rarely involved in a dull fight and hopefully it's the same story tonight.
Think Crolla will get a points decision in his bout against Barroso. Barroso had too much for Kevin Mitchell when they fought but I'd consider Crolla to be a lot better boxer than Mitchell and normally matchroom fighters get the benefit of the doubt on a home bill if the fight is anyway close.
What time is the khan fight due to start?
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What time is the khan fight due to start?
4.
That strikes me as pretty early, probably closer to five, no?
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What time is the khan fight due to start?
4.
That strikes me as pretty early, probably closer to five, no?
Seen on twitter around 5.
Any decent undercard fights?
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Quote from: Tommo2 on May 07, 2016, 08:20:31 PM
What time is the khan fight due to start?
4.
That strikes me as pretty early, probably closer to five, no?
Aye, I was planning on getting up for closer to 5AM..
5 Irish time is 9 in Vegas, so that should leave plenty to spare. The main events of the last few UFCs I've got up for have started after 6 Spanish time.
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5 Irish time is 9 in Vegas, so that should leave plenty to spare. The main events of the last few UFCs I've got up for have started after 6 Spanish time.
I've found they're closer to 6 when they're on!
Anybody actually got Boxnation?
If not....Twitter stream?
Christ the guy that gave that fight to Chisora must be off his head...
Looking forward to Crolla here, I think he might get it tough.
Chisora outclassed......
Yeah.....next should be a good one.....
Big win for crolla, Let Barroso punch himself out. Then just picked him apart in 6&7.
Well done Ant... Game plan worked a treat.
Great to hear all the United songs getting an airing through the fight :D
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Big win for crolla, Let Barroso punch himself out. Then just picked him apart in 6&7.
Cracking fight to watch and seriously ballsy tactics by Crolla. Well deserved and well earned.
Quote from: gallsman on May 07, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2016, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on May 07, 2016, 08:20:31 PM
What time is the khan fight due to start?
4.
That strikes me as pretty early, probably closer to five, no?
Aye well as you know advertised as 4 is at least 5 in reality. Make sure youse fire up a few links for streams.
Khan tweeted that the absolute railway the ring walks would be is at 4 UK time. Think you'll be OK with alarm at 5.
Great win but it will be a tough career if he fights like that all the time!
Khans problem, apart from the glass jaw, is that his feet aren't anywhere near as quick as his hands and he is always in the pocket to be hit. He doesn't move well and will be even slower tonight. Alvarez's power is overrated, but he should KO Khan and then he will probably vacate the belt as he seems afraid to fight GGG. This catch-weight talk is nonsense. He wants to drain GGG to 155 for the weigh-in yet Alvarez usually comes in at 170. It's not like he is a wee man fighting the bigger Golovkin. Big step up in class for Quigley tonight too, hope he wins well.
Khan was boxing well, but as expected canello took him out with a devastating right hand! Khan was out before he hit the canvas, no shame for Khan here. No celebrating from canello until he knew Khan was ok, pretty classy from him.
Canello said that GGG is next! Odd interview from Khan and hunter after fight, both questioning canellos balls in fighting GGG
Canelo has been vocal in ring about any time, anywhere, any weight in relation to GGG. Won't believe it until I see it.
Was expecting a slightly later kick off. Missed first couple of rounds but Amir started well by all accounts. From the 5th round Alvarez started to hunt him down being comfortable with the range and making his power superiority count in the sixth. Khan was never getting up from that.
I think the GGG vs Alvarez fight does happen from here. WBC announcement today that both parties have 30 days before it is put out to purse bids and if Alvarez says no or makes unreasonable terms that canelo will be stripped of the belt.when a Mexican dominated sanctioning body is calling you a dodger it would be hard to wrangle out of a fight with GGG and not look anything else but a dodger.
Friggin caught out with the start time too and missed the whole thing! Probably a bit earlier for UK fanbase maybe
Anyway got caught up there, Khan was doing all right in the early rounds and had some good success moving in. Unfortunately he either got to sure of himself or started to slow down and just got caught. I always got the impression that he is was half shittin himself anytime Canelo threw.
Canelo was poor to be fair, he had trouble with Khans speed and movement early on however he was never in any bother power wise. He looked like he was looking for a haymaker to connect from the off, it eventually did however it looked average enough boxing wise.
Anyone hear the fight night weights? He looked massive compared to Khan.
Big talk again from him post fight, think he wants the GGG fight but ODL wants to stall it. Wouldn't count on the WBC to strip him either. Golovkin has been WBC mandatory challenger for 2-3 years and still not gotten a title fight
.....and that's why we have weight classes! If a man over a stone heavier than you lands on the button it's always going to be goodnight, regardless of Khan's chin. Khan boxed really well through the first 4 rounds but once his movement dipped Canelo had his success in 5/6.
GGG beats Canelo all day if the fights in September. He's 34 now so let's hope it gets made before he's past his best.
A lot of people on here don't like Khan but he deserves huge credit for what he attempted last night. He had the right gameplan early on and even though the fight had started to turn, he was still well in it.
His speed carried very well at the higher with and had Canelo bothered early on. Back to 147 and hopefully fights with the likes of Brook, Thurman and a Garcia rematch. Would love to see Crawford move up again and join them all as I think he's probably the best fighter of the lot.
I don't think it was a chin issue with Khan last night. A man that much heavier if he connects clean it's lights out. Khan got hit because he lost concentration for a second. There's a clip I seen and his hands were all over the place and canelo seen the opening. I guess Khan still has plenty of options including Garcia and Brook. I still fancy him to beat Brook for some reason. The thing I don't understand with Khan he's too busy chasing big fights and just doesn't get himself in the ring. Not every fight has to be this mega fight just get in the ring and fight (obviously boxing politics may come into it I don't know).
Canelo v GGG may be the next mayweather v pacqaio (sp) in that will it ever be made while they are both in their prime. I would say canelo does want it but Oscar DLH may not want to risk his Mexican cash cow!
Well De la Hoya says Golovkin better pick up his phone tomorrow and Canelo says weight is not an issue.
Not sure if they can really dodge the issue for much longer with talk like that..... still tho.... the proof is in the pudding
Alvarez and De La Hoya will say the correct things in the limelight after a fight, the ducking and avoiding will start over the next few weeks in the back pages away from the spotlight
really enjoyed watching the Crolla fight this weekend. First two rounds i thought he was gonna be in for a long night but credit to him, tactics were brilliant. What a performance.
The Chisora fight beforehand was crap.
Dont think anyone expected a different outcome in the Khan fight. All it took was one mistake. Canelo v GGG has to happen next.
Feck me I just remembered why I dislike Khan so much.
He now says he is to big a name to fight Kell Brook and the fight will never happen ::)
I remember he was slabbering the same shite after the McCloskey fight, add that into the cringe worthy appearances at Mayweather fights makes him a right bollocks in my books.
Taking the Canelo fight shows how hungry he is for the smell of a pound. Glad he never got that easy payday with Mayweather.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 10, 2016, 05:22:45 AM
Feck me I just remembered why I dislike Khan so much.
He now says he is to big a name to fight Kell Brook and the fight will never happen ::)
I remember he was slabbering the same shite after the McCloskey fight, add that into the cringe worthy appearances at Mayweather fights makes him a right bollocks in my books.
Taking the Canelo fight shows how hungry he is for the smell of a pound. Glad he never got that easy payday with Mayweather.
Hope he fights Garcia again and catches another early left to the chin. Brook would probably beat him too.
Khan should fight him but at the same time he is getting big name and big money fights in Vegas. Brook is fighting crap in Sheffield Area ffs. Brook and Khan would be massive over here but I couldn't see it doing much in the USA. Disappointed Brook's team hasn't tried to make him more of a name in the states and get some big name fights in Vegas. Begging Khan all the time is getting a bit desperate. As much of a p***k that Khan is, he has done really well in his career to get the calibre of fights that he has been in.
a great warrior
http://www.the42.ie/matthew-macklin-retires-2765399-May2016/
for future reference re alarm clocks and big vegas fights ;D,
the start time is always listed as "not before 4am" (8pm in nevada)
the actual start time depends on duration of undercard fights and how much they want to drag the promotion out
the main event can be on anytime after 4 but not before
Think Canelo v GGG has been confirmed for September 17!!
Lads if you're not already follow "Belfast Boxers" on Facebook - a fantastic resource run by well known local Hugh O'Halloran
Quote from: The Iceman on May 13, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
Lads if you're not already follow "Belfast Boxers" on Facebook - a fantastic resource run by well known local Hugh O'Halloran
It's great. Been watching fights live on there and everything.
Read that Canelo weighed in at 181 and Khan weighed in at 160 on fight night. That is ridiculous if it is true. What sort of boxer is Jason Quigley? He's a fighter I don't know much about apart from a few highlights in his last few fights. Has made a good start to his career, 11 fights and still only 24.
haven't seen anything of him live just highlights like yourself - has a good attitude, nice combinations, good boxing - he's getting decent exposure and being moved up slowly be Oscar De La Hoya I think he'll do alright. Is he a little small for the weight? I think to look at him he could drop down a division? Irish boxing is thriving at the moment!
Quote from: JimStynes on May 13, 2016, 11:34:46 PM
Read that Canelo weighed in at 181 and Khan weighed in at 160 on fight night. That is ridiculous if it is true. What sort of boxer is Jason Quigley? He's a fighter I don't know much about apart from a few highlights in his last few fights. Has made a good start to his career, 11 fights and still only 24.
Thats f**king shocking, 21lbs diference! Canelo really is a freak in that department and he is within his rights to use it to his advantage but making a fight with a guy two divisions below the weight limit and then putting on that amount of extra weight is completely unfair. Add into that his winging that he is to small for MW when very few middle weights would enter the ring at 180. For reference I believe GGG's is 170 or something like that
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a great warrior
http://www.the42.ie/matthew-macklin-retires-2765399-May2016/
He was indeed. Put in 2 great attempts at winning a World title. I actually never seen the fight with Strum before so I watched it there... actually could see how Strum could have been deemed the winner in that. He had much more cleaner punches than Macklin who threw many more punches, depends how you are scoring it, defo the kind of decision you get at home tho.
On a side note did Strum ever attempt to avoid a punch by moving his body? he's all gloves and elbows.
Pity the Andy Lee or John Duddy fight never materialised but sure thats pro boxing
Mayweather openly talking about fighting McGregor now. More than likely just a ploy that benefits both camps in their negotiations with other entities but still if McGregor had the option he'd be mad to turn it down, the money would be absolutely outrageous even if Mayweather was getting the bigger cut.
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2016, 04:29:23 PM
Mayweather openly talking about fighting McGregor now. More than likely just a ploy that benefits both camps in their negotiations with other entities but still if McGregor had the option he'd be mad to turn it down, the money would be absolutely outrageous even if Mayweather was getting the bigger cut.
Saw that interview! The boys are at it! They are having a right laugh.
McGregors wouldn't lay a glove on him
Quote from: JimStynes on May 14, 2016, 07:26:32 PM
McGregors wouldn't lay a glove on him
And would get picked off all night long, Floyd could really embarrass him! This fight won't happen!
McGregor walks around the ring with his chin up like a lighthouse. Mayweather would stop him!
A quick question regarding the points awarded in boxing. I was watching a programme on Boxnation and analyst Barry Jones said something along the lines of if there's a knockdown or point deduction, you score the round first and then take away the point second.
Example: Someone's winning the round 10-9, they get knocked down so that makes the round 9-9?
I always thought it was just an automatic 10-8 to the guy who scored the knockdown regardless of who was winning the round... Is this wrong?
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 14, 2016, 11:11:47 PM
A quick question regarding the points awarded in boxing. I was watching a programme on Boxnation and analyst Barry Jones said something along the lines of if there's a knockdown or point deduction, you score the round first and then take away the point second.
Example: Someone's winning the round 10-9, they get knocked down so that makes the round 9-9?
I always thought it was just an automatic 10-8 to the guy who scored the knockdown regardless of who was winning the round... Is this wrong?
My understanding is the former Benny tho it almost always works out 10-8 regardless. Interestingly I think Khan-Maidana rd 10 worked out at 10-8 without a knockdown.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 15, 2016, 12:10:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 14, 2016, 11:11:47 PM
A quick question regarding the points awarded in boxing. I was watching a programme on Boxnation and analyst Barry Jones said something along the lines of if there's a knockdown or point deduction, you score the round first and then take away the point second.
Example: Someone's winning the round 10-9, they get knocked down so that makes the round 9-9?
I always thought it was just an automatic 10-8 to the guy who scored the knockdown regardless of who was winning the round... Is this wrong?
Think you can have 9-9 definitely if one falla is winning the round but gets knocked down (would need to be winning round handily). 10-8 without a knockdown not that uncommon if one of them is getting a pasting.
My understanding is the former Benny tho it almost always works out 10-8 regardless. Interestingly I think Khan-Maidana rd 10 worked out at 10-8 without a knockdown.
So a flash knock down doesn't necessarily cost you a round then?
Max Kellerman really knows his boxing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciHg3br1bpc
Eta: ESPN First Take debate Gennady GGG Golovkin vs Floyd Mayweather... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqulXAOQJ9k
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 15, 2016, 11:48:11 AM
So a flash knock down doesn't necessarily cost you a round then?
Unless you return the knockdown then it generally will cost you the round as far as I know. The only exception to that is if you have to factor in a point deduction for fouls. That's the only way I think you could get a 9-9 round.
If fighter A knocks fighter B down and goes on to win the round then it's 10-8. If fighter B gets knocked down and goes on to win the round then it would be scored 10-9 in fighter A's favour.
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 14, 2016, 05:40:56 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 12, 2016, 03:53:20 PM
a great warrior
http://www.the42.ie/matthew-macklin-retires-2765399-May2016/
He was indeed. Put in 2 great attempts at winning a World title. I actually never seen the fight with Strum before so I watched it there... actually could see how Strum could have been deemed the winner in that. He had much more cleaner punches than Macklin who threw many more punches, depends how you are scoring it, defo the kind of decision you get at home tho.
On a side note did Strum ever attempt to avoid a punch by moving his body? he's all gloves and elbows.
Pity the Andy Lee or John Duddy fight never materialised but sure thats pro boxing
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 14, 2016, 05:40:56 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 12, 2016, 03:53:20 PM
a great warrior
http://www.the42.ie/matthew-macklin-retires-2765399-May2016/
He was indeed. Put in 2 great attempts at winning a World title. I actually never seen the fight with Strum before so I watched it there... actually could see how Strum could have been deemed the winner in that. He had much more cleaner punches than Macklin who threw many more punches, depends how you are scoring it, defo the kind of decision you get at home tho.
On a side note did Strum ever attempt to avoid a punch by moving his body? he's all gloves and elbows.
Pity the Andy Lee or John Duddy fight never materialised but sure thats pro boxing
Shame those bouts never materialised indeed.
At one stage there was the prospect of having some great match ups at middleweight and at one point it looked like Sky were going to put on a "super six style" event featuring the likes of Macklin, Andy Lee, Murray and Barker they even did a "Gloves are off" episode with them all but it never transpired.
Macklin was an entertaining fighter and mixed it with the very best. St the end of a harsh decision against Sturm and fought Sergio Martinez when he was close to his best.
I wonder how much events outside the ring were a factor in his decision to hang up the gloves ? The Kinahan gang are known associates of MGM (Macklin's gym Marbella) and it was no coincidence when an MGM weigh in at the Regency hotel in Dublin was used to try and target a Kinahan gang member. There was also the shooting of Jamie Moore (his former trainer) while he was training Macklin out in Marbella a couple of years back. Being close to those events would surely take it's toll on anyone. One thing for sure is that if Macklin ever decides to release an autobiography it would be an interesting read.
I really wish Mayweather would f**k off but ive been wishing that for a wile now. You cant avoid his slabbering in boxing news these days and you cant avoid it. He is an egotistical moron who will say anything to remain in the limelight. As far as I am concerned he is finished.
The McGregor fight will not happen, a GGG fight will not happen, if he does come out of retirement it will be another borefest with Pacquiao.
Danny Garcia is the hot tip. Easy win for Mayweather. May-Pac II or even May-McGregor would be far more interesting.
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2016, 01:15:05 PM
Danny Garcia is the hot tip. Easy win for Mayweather. May-Pac II or even May-McGregor would be far more interesting.
If and it's a big IF Mayweather was to fight McGregor, could he seriously claim a fight against someone who has never boxed professionally before as his 50 - 0? It surely would be like an exhibition fight and not be officially sanctioned by any worthwhile boxing board.
Mayweather-McGregor would be in no way interesting whatsoever ffs. It would be a one sided schooling with no redeeming features..
Quote from: gallsman on May 17, 2016, 02:10:22 PM
Mayweather-McGregor would be in no way interesting whatsoever ffs. It would be a one sided schooling with no redeeming features..
McGregor's mouth would sell it beforehand but i agree, completely schooled.
Haye ready to fight wilder if the povetkin fight falls apart. The Haye comeback has been useless to date. Hasnt challenged himself at all. Pointless. Would like to see him fight Wilder
Quote from: lurganblue on May 17, 2016, 03:33:57 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 17, 2016, 02:10:22 PM
Mayweather-McGregor would be in no way interesting whatsoever ffs. It would be a one sided schooling with no redeeming features..
McGregor's mouth would sell it beforehand but i agree, completely schooled.
Haye reader to fight wilder if the povetkin fight falls apart. The Haye comeback has been useless to date. Hasnt challenged himself at all. Pointless. Would like to see him fight Wilder
Oh it would sell alright, but the shite that would come out of both their mouths would only be interesting to those stupid enough to swallow it.
Also, the Bellew fight bill at Goodison is shaping up nicely. I'd have more interest in seeing Callum Smith perform again than Bellew TBH though.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10284339/callum-smith-added-to-tony-bellew-vs-ilunga-makabu-bill-at-goodison-park (http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10284339/callum-smith-added-to-tony-bellew-vs-ilunga-makabu-bill-at-goodison-park)
Alvarez and GGG have another week to agree a fight otherwise WBC said it will go to purse bids.
Purse spilt hasn't been revealed but it is thought that Alvarez will receive the lion's share of the split.
It will pay for is hospital bill anyways.
Alvarez has vacated the WBC title. Unbelievable action from the man, apparently wants the fight but wants more time to negotiate. Disgusting antics as they are obviously trying to get away from the 160 weight limit and push for a catchweight - why so afraid Alvarez when you weigh more than Golovkin on fight nights anyway.
Unbelievable alright nrico. It's significant as Jose Sulaiman and the WBC have always shown bias towards Mexican fighters as well. Chavez jnr in particular over the years has been given some very generous treatment. He has vacated as it looks better (only slightly) than being stripped. I'm sure he will be getting a bit of criticism from fight fans all around the globe particularly in Mexico.
Time wasting. He wasn't really the middleweight champ anyway. Never fights at the bloody weight and fights at more or less light middle. Vacated the belt so he doesnt have to take the fight on other people's terms. He will want to fight Golovkin for a bigger split and lower weight. Golovkin should just take the fight and beat him then be done with it. He's getting on and hasn't fought any superstars yet. I would have loved to have seen Mayweather and Golovkin at 154.
Also, I would much rather see GGG and Ward fight at 168 ahead of Canelo v GGG.
"In Mexico we dont f**k around" ::)
What a fuckin Chicken, he got his ass kicked in a sparring sesion in Big Bear a few years back and knows it will happen again.
The fight is not goin to happen... GGG wants to unify the division
Canelo and others are prepared to wait GGG out. He's 34 and the clock is ticking...
Joke from Canelo. Think i've lost all respect for him. Does GGG move on and fight someone like saunders?
GOD DAMN DISGRACE!!!! FLOYD MAYWEATHER SNAPS!! CANELO ALVAREZ SHOULD RUN FROM GGG GENNADY GOLOVKIN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZf9zpEfic
Great analysis on Floyd Money Mayweather!!! :P
Eta: Keith Thurman calls Money Mayweather a cherry picker throughout his whole career :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAFIuAampo
Eta2: Max Kellerman Talks To Elie Seckbach About Floyd Mayweather vs GGG EsNews Boxing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi62PrWD3Y8
Katie Taylor beaten again in World semi-finals, strange times indeed. Luckily a semi spot is enough to guarantee Olympic place..
On a brighter note, Kellie Harrington has made her final
Apparently the scoring looked quite dodgey. Still, her aura is definitely fading. Hopefully she can lift it for Rio again.
Professional boxers allowed to compete in Rio. 84 of the 88 federations voted in favour of expanding it. I wonder if Ireland was one of the dissenters, I would have thought we should have been.
A qualifying tournament in Venezuela coming up with 26 places available in the Olympics across the various weights. Be very interesting to see how many pros put themselves forward. Although presumably they'll need to be nominated in the first instance by their local boxing body, so that might mean having to win a national amateur comp first to qualify for Venezuela.
Quote from: Hound on June 01, 2016, 10:42:10 AM
Professional boxers allowed to compete in Rio. 84 of the 88 federations voted in favour of expanding it. I wonder if Ireland was one of the dissenters, I would have thought we should have been.
A qualifying tournament in Venezuela coming up with 26 places available in the Olympics across the various weights. Be very interesting to see how many pros put themselves forward. Although presumably they'll need to be nominated in the first instance by their local boxing body, so that might mean having to win a national amateur comp first to qualify for Venezuela.
Is the flip side of this vote that our amateurs will now be allowed to sign proper professional deals? I am aware of the semi-professional bouts they have recently started, but surely this would go a lot further?
It's a bit sad really that the pros will be allowed into the Olympics. I always viewed an Olympic gold medal as the pinnacle of the sport - in this case the pinnacle of an amateur boxers career. A chance to call themselves the best at what they do in the world. This will all be watered down if and when (if the sponsors want) the professionals jump on board. An Olympic gold will make you the best of the handful or so pros that decide that they can get a bit of exposure from entering the games - hardly the prestigious title it is today. It will no longer be the ultimate goal for an amateur boxer who will either turn pro quicker or just be put off as the money men take over. The olympics has always been the breeding ground for former world champions and one of my favourite events at the games, it'll be a bit depressing if this decision has a detrimental effect on that.
Who wins Bellew v Haye?
Bellew simply wants paid, probably make more from the Haye fight than he would fighting ten more nobodies. As for the Olympics, where has these extra spots came from or were they previously available?
I agree with Froch's view on things:
"I feel it's better being left to the amateurs," Froch, 38, told Press Association Sport. "I still sort of regret when I look back, not qualifying for the Olympics. (But) If I went to the Olympics now as a professional, it wouldn't feel right, wouldn't feel the same.
"I'm not sure any top professional, who's got a chance of becoming a champion, earning a lot of money, would want to join the amateurs. You're going to get the odd one, but any current pro, who's desperate to be a world champion, would they want to risk going to the Olympics for a three-round format?
"Overall, it's a bad move. It takes the prestige away from winning a gold medal in the Olympics. It doesn't feel right for me."
Among the reactions to the development have been concerns it would be a dangerous move to match relatively-inexperienced amateurs against proven professionals.
Before retiring, Froch continued to train with the GB amateur squad in Sheffield - where his one-time trainer Rob McCracken is performance director. He therefore experienced the finest amateurs' talent and how difficult it can be for a professional to adjust to the intense demands of three three-minute rounds, instead of the steadier up-to-12-round professional format.
"It's not (easy)," he said. "A lot of top world champions would get beaten by top amateurs. It's a simple as that: it's not long enough. How many times have I had a professional world championship defence, and I'm three or four rounds down before I've got started?
"A lot of top pros may not do well at the Olympics. I spar with Antony Fowler, who's just qualified for the Olympics, and for two or three rounds I literally don't get near him. I'll walk onto his right hand, and he can punch a bit.
"Perhaps round four I start to turn it around and get into it, and then the spar's over. Somebody like Fowler would probably beat me. I wouldn't want to take the risk, to be honest.
"I'm not so sure (somebody could get hurt) because it's three three-minute rounds. I don't think it's any more dangerous: there's no headguards anymore in the amateurs. I've trained and sparred with many top amateurs: honestly they hold their own, all of them.
"The amateurs are more suited to succeeding at the Olympics, and winning medals. I think Rob will probably stay loyal to the amateurs, and in my opinion that's the best decision. Why take a gamble on a pro?
"Who are you going to take? A professional boxer that's rough and tough, or an amateur boxer with bags of international amateur boxing experience, and (of) how to score on the scoring system, to impress the judges?"
Not sounding good for Muhammad Ali :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P5-PbANMNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P5-PbANMNc)
What a war!
Watched this morning. It was incredible.
Have just seen Enzo Maccarinelli get viciously knocked out for the umpteenth time. Stop giving this man a license please.
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2016, 10:37:09 PM
Have just seen Enzo Maccarinelli get viciously knocked out for the umpteenth time. Stop giving this man a license please.
You'd imagine that will be it for enzo. Savage knockout there. His 8th time being beat by KO. Time to let it go
Quote from: bridgegael on June 10, 2016, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2016, 10:37:09 PM
Have just seen Enzo Maccarinelli get viciously knocked out for the umpteenth time. Stop giving this man a license please.
You'd imagine that will be it for enzo. Savage knockout there. His 8th time being beat by KO. Time to let it go
You'd hope so but it's happened so many times before and he keeps coming back.
He had gone down to light heavy and seemed to be getting back on some sort of track but I saw this was for a cruiserweight belt.
Yeah he took the fight at 10days notice. He has just tweeted that he has retired.
Quote from: bridgegael on June 10, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
Yeah he took the fight at 10days notice. He has just tweeted that he has retired.
glad to hear that - on the receiving end of another KO - he gave it a go - definitely time to call it a day and stay safe
If anyone has ever considered doing a white collar fight as a challenge id, recommend it. There's a future event coming up in August with training being done out of Brian Magee's gym behind the ASDA on Kennedy Way. I'd be happy to put you in touch with the event organisers if anyone fancied it.
I had a white collar fight in the europa on saturday night there. I won it thankfully but trained hard for it for the past two months. There were a couple of occasions I trained three times a day, went off the booze but it was well worth all the sacrifices. There's a great buzz on the night of it. Even though I'm a fan of boxing I'd be pretty useless at it. Your sister, even your mum would probably beat me in a boxing fight ! Training was tough but enjoyable. I even ended up sparring Martin Rogan on a couple of occasions (he was obviously going easy on me and doing his best to help me out) , given I'm a 11 stone dripping wet even if I could box that would always be a mismatch but it was definitely worthwhile in terms of not having any fear of sparring anyone after that.
I was raising funds for Cancer research which is a charity fairly close to my heart. To date sponsors have helped me raise nearly £1300.
Massive thanks to board regular Milltown Row who not only had a few handy tips for me having done a white collar fight before but also was a massive help with my fundraising efforts.
MR - gentleman, thank you.
Well done, its a scary thing for a complete novice stepping into the ring!! Nothing worse than that first punch on the nose!!
Well done on raising the money btw
Ward v Kovalev is on!!
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10316518/sergey-kovalev-v-andre-ward-set-for-november-19-in-las-vegas
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 17, 2016, 01:37:01 PM
Ward v Kovalev is on!!
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10316518/sergey-kovalev-v-andre-ward-set-for-november-19-in-las-vegas
Excellent...two of the best there is and both with very different styles. A genuine super fight!
Great to get that fight on, should be interesting, would like to see Kovalev win but this is a fight of styles Ward may just be too good
On another note, its an awful shame that you get excited at the prospect of the best actually getting into a ring and fighting each other.
I really hope Ward wins. I always like watching Ward, fabulous boxer.
Im actually the opposite in that I hope Kovalev beats him as Ward is as smug as they come.
Fury v Klitscko postponed due to Fury injuring his ankle.
Fury looking a tube right now after his slating of Haye when he was injured and postponed
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 25, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
Fury looking a tube right now after his slating of Haye when he was injured and postponed
Have you seen his ankle?
Reports that he was out on the rip a while ago and a few theories that he wasn't in fit enough shape for the fight and they hadn't sold enough tickets. Going by the pic of his ankle it looks bad enough and a genuine reason not to fight.
Some fights on tonight. Looking forward to this thurman v porter fight! Two very good boxers.
Quote from: JimStynes on June 25, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
Reports that he was out on the rip a while ago and a few theories that he wasn't in fit enough shape for the fight and they hadn't sold enough tickets. Going by the pic of his ankle it looks bad enough and a genuine reason not to fight.
Some fights on tonight. Looking forward to this thurman v porter fight! Two very good boxers.
Yes, looking forward to the Thurman fight. Time to see how good he is. PPV card on Sky looks very lop sided with only the Groves v Murray fight really looking like a contest.
Thurman wins in what was easily the best fight of the year so far. Really enjoyable fight fair play to both boxers. Thurman deserved decision just about. Porter is one tough boxer and put up a good show.
Do matchroom/sky ever publish their PPV sales? Surely with all the various options in the UK for streaming the fight they couldn't be that good? Plus the cards rarely if ever justify it.
would love brook to get a go at him now! I didn't wake up for the fight so I'm waiting to find a good stream for it here.
Joshua did the business last night again. I want to see him in with a decent boxer so we can really judge him. Was really disappointed with Martin Murray. He looked like a fighter who was completely done and over the hill. Eubank junior looked good against poor opposition, he won't get it as handy in his next fight.....
Agree on Murray, he looked shot last night. A lot of tough fights catching up on him. Should have won world title in any one of his title fights bar GGG. A few hometown decisions went against him.
Still not convinced about Joshua, merely on the fact he has fought nobody, granted there isn't a whole pile out there. I still think Fury beats him.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 26, 2016, 04:40:58 AM
Thurman wins in what was easily the best fight of the year so far. Really enjoyable fight fair play to both boxers. Thurman deserved decision just about. Porter is one tough boxer and put up a good show.
You obviously didn't see Salido-Vargas a few weeks ago.
Quote from: bridgegael on June 26, 2016, 09:02:14 AM
Agree on Murray, he looked shot last night. A lot of tough fights catching up on him. Should have won world title in any one of his title fights bar GGG. A few hometown decisions went against him.
Still not convinced about Joshua, merely on the fact he has fought nobody, granted there isn't a whole pile out there. I still think Fury beats him.
To be fair to Murray he is as hard as nails and many a fighter would have packed it in during round 9. Unfortunately he's become a go to fighter for guys who need a tough fight before moving up a level. It's a shame as he was so unlucky in two of his world title bids.
I know people, (justifiably), don't like him but I love watching Eubank Jr. I think he'll give GGG a war and is one of very few fighters who has the confidence to bring it to him, but he's far too open and the fight won't last too long I'd imagine.
I agree about Joshua. Still not convinced. He is very one dimensional, throwing the same combinations over and over, yes he hits very hard but can he mix it up and adapt when his big bombs aren't landing and he's getting picked off......like Fury would do?
Joshua got caught with a punch in his second last fight and he was in trouble. A better fighter would have had him out of there. So I am not convinced on his chin.
Cant find the full fight for thurman and porter but the highlights are great! Looked like a war, both men throwing serious power punches in every exchange.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 25, 2016, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 25, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
Fury looking a tube right now after his slating of Haye when he was injured and postponed
Have you seen his ankle?
Not disputing his injury, just seems very hypocritical to call a fight of with an injury when he lambasted Haye for doing the same.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 26, 2016, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on June 26, 2016, 09:02:14 AM
Agree on Murray, he looked shot last night. A lot of tough fights catching up on him. Should have won world title in any one of his title fights bar GGG. A few hometown decisions went against him.
Still not convinced about Joshua, merely on the fact he has fought nobody, granted there isn't a whole pile out there. I still think Fury beats him.
To be fair to Murray he is as hard as nails and many a fighter would have packed it in during round 9. Unfortunately he's become a go to fighter for guys who need a tough fight before moving up a level. It's a shame as he was so unlucky in two of his world title bids.
I know people, (justifiably), don't like him but I love watching Eubank Jr. I think he'll give GGG a war and is one of very few fighters who has the confidence to bring it to him, but he's far too open and the fight won't last too long I'd imagine.
I agree about Joshua. Still not convinced. He is very one dimensional, throwing the same combinations over and over, yes he hits very hard but can he mix it up and adapt when his big bombs aren't landing and he's getting picked off......like Fury would do?
Outr of all the potential candidates at middleweight I would see Eubank as good as anybody and the most likely to cause GGG problems. Eubank is very talented but can be hit.
As for Joshua, he is too stiff and predictable and in all reality he has fought nobody yet. People like to laud how he has proven he has a chin because he got hit by a punch from Whyte, I'm also not convinced. I couldn't see him going the distance with Haye and Fury would keep him at bay for 12 rounds.
Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Kell Brook v Gennady Golovkin on Sept 10th at O2. Great fight! Wonder what the Eubanks will have to say about that.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 08, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
Kell Brook v Gennady Golovkin on Sept 10th at O2. Great fight! Wonder what the Eubanks will have to say about that.
:o :o :o
Never saw that comin in a million years!
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 08, 2016, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 08, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
Kell Brook v Gennady Golovkin on Sept 10th at O2. Great fight! Wonder what the Eubanks will have to say about that.
:o :o :o
Never saw that comin in a million years!
+1
Not disappointed though
Can't wait!! Might even try get over to England for that fight!
Whats so great about it? Brook is 2 divisions below GGG and going on past talk from him, this fight will be at 160.
Brook might be able to test him technically but Golovkin will be able to walk thru his punches and land his bombs if he doesnt like it
Another cakewalk, Brook could get hurt. GGG has cleared out MW so he should be going up to look for opponenets not down and down again
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 08, 2016, 09:20:08 PM
Whats so great about it? Brook is 2 divisions below GGG and going on past talk from him, this fight will be at 160.
Brook might be able to test him technically but Golovkin will be able to walk thru his punches and land his bombs if he doesnt like it
Another cakewalk, Brook could get hurt. GGG has cleared out MW so he should be going up to look for opponenets not down and down again
I think it's a bit like when the Khan - Canelo fight was announced, in the respect that it's come completely out of the blue, which has generated the excitement and is most definitely an intriguing match up. In my view Brook is massively underrated and for me is the best welterweight in the world. He's big for welterweight, he's unbeaten and unlike Khan, when he stepped up, he doesn't have a glass jaw. The thing about Brook is that we don't know how good he is and this is the big fight that he has needed to make a statement. That's not to say he will win, I think he'll most likely get knocked out, but it's a nothing to lose fight for Brook, win and he's propelled to superstardom, lose and he still is 147 champion with a much bigger profile to get the big money fights in the division. It's by far the biggest fight of the year in Britain and yes you can pick holes in it all day long if you want but I for one am genuinely excited about it and will do my best to make it down to watch it.
Khan Canelo and Brook GGG kind of sums boxing up at the minute. Firstly, two world class British fighters at the same weight class won't fight each other, one jumps up crazy weight to get a mega fight but is also a suicide mission. What does Brook do? Outdoes Khan in another suicide mission against the p4p best fighter in the world 2 weight classes above.
While on the other side we have Canelo who's team won't let him fight GGG so he drops back to 154 to fight Liam bloody Smith.
There's no way on earth Brook wins this, if you think there is you don't understand boxing and weight classes, this isn't WWE. GGG has a serious chin and walks through middleweight punches, is the most vicious puncher in boxing and has exceptional footwork to cut the ring off. Brook wouldn't win if he came into the ring with a baseball bat. At least Eubank was a live challenge but this is nonsense. Boxing is a mess right now.
In fairness to brook I think he'd fight anyone but has been sidestepped by a lot of people who should be facing him.
I agree, Brook wants a big fight but public pressure has made him go for this lunacy as the Vargas fight was getting tricky to make and he couldn't face not fighting a big name. It's not good for the sport, even if it generates big hype. It's frustrating.
I'm still shocked by this. Thought Golvokin vs Eubank was a done deal. Golovkin was taunting Eubank over social media to sign the deal and then next thing this fight comes out of the blue. Eubank maintaining the whole time that he was never shown one contract. Both Eubank and Brook are represented by Hearn, I still haven't seen anything from Hearn describing what's happened here. I'd imagine that Chris Eubank snr would be an absolute nightmare to work with. I reckon he was playing hard ball to the extent that even Hearn got fed up with it and made the fight for Brook instead.
I'd been organising a trip to Manchester to see the Linares vs Crolla fight at the end of September. Think that will be a cracker of a fight but now tempted by this. Hearn will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation. Would have rather seen the two more natural match ups (Khan vs Brook, Alvarez vs GGG). But they both could still happen.
Anyone making the trip for the Frampton vs Santa Cruz fight ?
Hearn said on sky that Eubank was making unreasonable demands over PPV. Said that Joshua, etc all get the same deal on PPV but Eubank wanted more but Brook took it.
'Never seen a contract' is a cop out line - would imagine everything is hammered out verbally before anyone would bother drawing up contracts.
Hearn said there was a deadline by which Eubank had to sign contract, more than like Sr was looking a few concessions, deadline passed and can only imagine that brook sign the same contract that was meant for Eubank. Brook needed a big fight, but this is too big for him
Agree bridgegael.
I'm still happy to see fights happening rather than no fights happening. Hearn knows there is too much money to be made from doing business with Golovkin and will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation.
Think Brook is a great fighter but the gulf in weight will be surely too much. Golovkin by KO in rounds 7 or 8 for me.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
I'm still shocked by this. Thought Golvokin vs Eubank was a done deal. Golovkin was taunting Eubank over social media to sign the deal and then next thing this fight comes out of the blue. Eubank maintaining the whole time that he was never shown one contract. Both Eubank and Brook are represented by Hearn, I still haven't seen anything from Hearn describing what's happened here. I'd imagine that Chris Eubank snr would be an absolute nightmare to work with. I reckon he was playing hard ball to the extent that even Hearn got fed up with it and made the fight for Brook instead.
I'd been organising a trip to Manchester to see the Linares vs Crolla fight at the end of September. Think that will be a cracker of a fight but now tempted by this. Hearn will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation. Would have rather seen the two more natural match ups (Khan vs Brook, Alvarez vs GGG). But they both could still happen.
Anyone making the trip for the Frampton vs Santa Cruz fight ?
Not making fight, in-laws' going.... Going to be a tough ask for Carl... Taller fighter bigger weight good puncher, away from home..just a few factor's for me that will work against him....
Carl would need to start early, get the hard body shots in and put him away quickly, cant let it go further than 8/9 rounds for me, home decision and all that
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
I'm still shocked by this. Thought Golvokin vs Eubank was a done deal. Golovkin was taunting Eubank over social media to sign the deal and then next thing this fight comes out of the blue. Eubank maintaining the whole time that he was never shown one contract. Both Eubank and Brook are represented by Hearn, I still haven't seen anything from Hearn describing what's happened here. I'd imagine that Chris Eubank snr would be an absolute nightmare to work with. I reckon he was playing hard ball to the extent that even Hearn got fed up with it and made the fight for Brook instead.
I'd been organising a trip to Manchester to see the Linares vs Crolla fight at the end of September. Think that will be a cracker of a fight but now tempted by this. Hearn will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation. Would have rather seen the two more natural match ups (Khan vs Brook, Alvarez vs GGG). But they both could still happen.
Anyone making the trip for the Frampton vs Santa Cruz fight ?
Apparently Eubank wanted to triple ticket prices and choose who commentated on Sky. Hearn said he has the same business model for every pay per view fight and wasn't happy to give control of logistics to the Eubanks. Fair play to him for setting the deadline and moving quickly to make the alternative match up. As far as I can gather, Eubank Jr is not officially part of the Matchroom team but has used Hearn on occasion to organise fights.
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
I'm still shocked by this. Thought Golvokin vs Eubank was a done deal. Golovkin was taunting Eubank over social media to sign the deal and then next thing this fight comes out of the blue. Eubank maintaining the whole time that he was never shown one contract. Both Eubank and Brook are represented by Hearn, I still haven't seen anything from Hearn describing what's happened here. I'd imagine that Chris Eubank snr would be an absolute nightmare to work with. I reckon he was playing hard ball to the extent that even Hearn got fed up with it and made the fight for Brook instead.
I'd been organising a trip to Manchester to see the Linares vs Crolla fight at the end of September. Think that will be a cracker of a fight but now tempted by this. Hearn will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation. Would have rather seen the two more natural match ups (Khan vs Brook, Alvarez vs GGG). But they both could still happen.
Anyone making the trip for the Frampton vs Santa Cruz fight ?
Not making fight, in-laws' going.... Going to be a tough ask for Carl... Taller fighter bigger weight good puncher, away from home..just a few factor's for me that will work against him....
Carl would need to start early, get the hard body shots in and put him away quickly, cant let it go further than 8/9 rounds for me, home decision and all that
A tough night lies ahead for Frampton, no doubt about it. He hasn't been given the credit he deserves for taking the fight. Hopefully he does the business.
Eubank Jnr sending out a few sour grapes tweets I see. Taking absolute dog's abuse for it. I've said it before on here - he needs to get rid off the old man, his ego is just too big and he's an absolute rocket. Why would you ever send him in to negotiate on your behalf ?
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
I'm still shocked by this. Thought Golvokin vs Eubank was a done deal. Golovkin was taunting Eubank over social media to sign the deal and then next thing this fight comes out of the blue. Eubank maintaining the whole time that he was never shown one contract. Both Eubank and Brook are represented by Hearn, I still haven't seen anything from Hearn describing what's happened here. I'd imagine that Chris Eubank snr would be an absolute nightmare to work with. I reckon he was playing hard ball to the extent that even Hearn got fed up with it and made the fight for Brook instead.
I'd been organising a trip to Manchester to see the Linares vs Crolla fight at the end of September. Think that will be a cracker of a fight but now tempted by this. Hearn will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation. Would have rather seen the two more natural match ups (Khan vs Brook, Alvarez vs GGG). But they both could still happen.
Anyone making the trip for the Frampton vs Santa Cruz fight ?
Not making fight, in-laws' going.... Going to be a tough ask for Carl... Taller fighter bigger weight good puncher, away from home..just a few factor's for me that will work against him....
Carl would need to start early, get the hard body shots in and put him away quickly, cant let it go further than 8/9 rounds for me, home decision and all that
A tough night lies ahead for Frampton, no doubt about it. He hasn't been given the credit he deserves for taking the fight. Hopefully he does the business.
Eubank Jnr sending out a few sour grapes tweets I see. Taking absolute dog's abuse for it. I've said it before on here - he needs to get rid off the old man, his ego is just too big and he's an absolute rocket. Why would you ever send him in to negotiate on your behalf ?
Apparently Eubank Sr has sacked Eddie Hearn as his sons promoter. I get the feeling it may have been the other way round.
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
I'm still shocked by this. Thought Golvokin vs Eubank was a done deal. Golovkin was taunting Eubank over social media to sign the deal and then next thing this fight comes out of the blue. Eubank maintaining the whole time that he was never shown one contract. Both Eubank and Brook are represented by Hearn, I still haven't seen anything from Hearn describing what's happened here. I'd imagine that Chris Eubank snr would be an absolute nightmare to work with. I reckon he was playing hard ball to the extent that even Hearn got fed up with it and made the fight for Brook instead.
I'd been organising a trip to Manchester to see the Linares vs Crolla fight at the end of September. Think that will be a cracker of a fight but now tempted by this. Hearn will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation. Would have rather seen the two more natural match ups (Khan vs Brook, Alvarez vs GGG). But they both could still happen.
Anyone making the trip for the Frampton vs Santa Cruz fight ?
Apparently Eubank wanted to triple ticket prices and choose who commentated on Sky. Hearn said he has the same business model for every pay per view fight and wasn't happy to give control of logistics to the Eubanks. Fair play to him for setting the deadline and moving quickly to make the alternative match up. As far as I can gather, Eubank Jr is not officially part of the Matchroom team but has used Hearn on occasion to organise fights.
Just read that about Sr, what a plank he is, good stuff for him. Choosing Commentators WTF?
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:24:45 AM
Agree bridgegael.
I'm still happy to see fights happening rather than no fights happening. Hearn knows there is too much money to be made from doing business with Golovkin and will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation.
Think Brook is a great fighter but the gulf in weight will be surely too much. Golovkin by KO in rounds 7 or 8 for me.
Average fight night weights for Brook & Golovkin are quite similar apparently. Brook 163. GGG 168. Brook is a huge welterweight.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 10, 2016, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 09, 2016, 11:24:45 AM
Agree bridgegael.
I'm still happy to see fights happening rather than no fights happening. Hearn knows there is too much money to be made from doing business with Golovkin and will have presented it to Brook as a win win situation.
Think Brook is a great fighter but the gulf in weight will be surely too much. Golovkin by KO in rounds 7 or 8 for me.
Average fight night weights for Brook & Golovkin are quite similar apparently. Brook 163. GGG 168. Brook is a huge welterweight.
That is fair but ultimately GGG is used to taking punches from much heavier men than Brook is. I doubt this is going to be a Hagler-Hearns (or at least it won't be if Brook has any sense) but here is hoping!
I thought Golovkin goes into the ring at 170lbs? So potentially he could come in above Golovkin then? Whats his training weight?
Never understood why superwelter was 154 making it closer to MW than WW
GGG has a great chin taking 160 fighters punches, Brook will not be able to deter GGG as he's happy to take one to get 3 off. If Brook can make the final bell he's had a blinder.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 11, 2016, 08:50:21 PM
I thought Golovkin goes into the ring at 170lbs? So potentially he could come in above Golovkin then? Whats his training weight?
Never understood why superwelter was 154 making it closer to MW than WW
It also goes, probably more commonly and accurately as Light Middleweight though :)
Quote from: bridgegael on July 07, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
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Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
What time are we looking at the fight starting?
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Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
What time are we looking at the fight starting?
Probably between two and three
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Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
What time are we looking at the fight starting?
Probably between two and three
Feck!
I've a few mates heading over and they seem to think it's on at 6pm NY time. Could mean it's on a bit earlier than 2 or 3 if they're not mistaken
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 19, 2016, 09:56:22 AM
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Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
???
What did you expect for a fight in New York?!
What time are we looking at the fight starting?
Probably between two and three
Feck!
Quote from: take_yer_points on July 19, 2016, 10:18:31 AM
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Quote from: bridgegael on July 07, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
What time are we looking at the fight starting?
Probably between two and three
Feck!
I've a few mates heading over and they seem to think it's on at 6pm NY time. Could mean it's on a bit earlier than 2 or 3 if they're not mistaken
I see here it's actually listed as 9pm ET, so 2am probably accurate enough...
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/santa-cruz-vs-frampton
Ah I know your right, didn't expect anything less. Was hoping somehow it might have been earlier.
How does everyone rate his chances?
I hope he wins but if I was putting money on it I would be backing Sata Cruz. Framptons performances up until the Gonzalez junior fight were on the rise, but in that fight and the Quigg fight he just seemed to tire a lot in the second half of the fight. I would hope that it was more to do with him struggling to make the weight and if he can maintain a high level in this fight he could win, but Sata Cruz works hard and throws a lot of punches therefore if Frampton tires like he did against Quigg it will be lights out. Hope I am wrong though and that the higher weight will suit Frampton more naturally. Be great if he won.
Quote from: take_yer_points on July 19, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on July 07, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
Just announced that the fight will be broadcast on Boxnation in UK and Ireland.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 21, 2016, 03:11:20 PM
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Any announcement on what TV channel is picking up the Frampton fight?
Anyone know this?
Just announced that the fight will be broadcast on Boxnation in UK and Ireland.
Saw that myself there, cheers
Hearing now Frampton wont be on until like 4am Irish time!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 28, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
Hearing now Frampton wont be on until like 4am Irish time!!
About 11 New York time. Sounds about right.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 28, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
Hearing now Frampton wont be on until like 4am Irish time!!
Is that Californian Irish time?
I see Santa Cruz is the favourite for this but then I was chatting to a lad at work the day about it. He reckons Frampton will win, says that Santa Cruz has lost power moving up in weight and has never fought anyone decent, throws punches like crazy and if Frampton stays calm and uses his brain he should win...
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 29, 2016, 06:28:40 AM
I see Santa Cruz is the favourite for this but then I was chatting to a lad at work the day about it. He reckons Frampton will win, says that Santa Cruz has lost power moving up in weight and has never fought anyone decent, throws punches like crazy and if Frampton stays calm and uses his brain he should win...
Taller longer reach, at home, he's fought good fighters also to be champion.... This will be Carls toughest fight to date, to be fair though he's prepared the best for this, he's been in the states for a good while and is hitting the bag harder than before seeing as he's up a weight....
Hopefully the body shots Carl can hit will create opportunities to put Cruz down. Just be worried with Cruz's reach that he'll be able to keep him at bay!!
What happened to the McGuigan policy that Carl's fight would be on terrestrial TV . I know the Quigg fight was Sky due to Hearn managing Quigg bot tomorrow is on Box Nation.
Hope I am wrong but I just can't see Frampton winning this one. I think Santa Cruz has maybe a 7 inch reach advantage and doesnt stop throwing punches. I honestly haven't been massively impressed with Frampton. He's looked good against ok opposition but Santa Cruz is a different story. Hopefully I'm talking shite and he does the business though.
Ashman - To be fair I don't think mcGuigan ever had a policy that Carl's fights were going to be on terrestrial TV. Ultimately it's going to be on the channel that will offer the most revenue. In terms of order you are talking 1. Sky (difficult unless you are a matchroom fighter or facing a matchroom fighter) 2. Boxnation 3. The likes of Premier or Setanta 4. Terrestrial ..... and if your name is David Haye, you are fighting an absolute bum and you can't give tickets away for the fight you will fight on a channel called Dave.
I think it was Chris Avalos and Gonzalez Jnr that Frampton fought on ITV and with the fight being on ITV then they were always going to be a few positive noises about the general public getting to see it. From what i remember the viewing figures were quite good for both of them but you couldn't compare this fight to those two. Santa Cruz is a proper operator and with that there is major interest in this fight.
In terms of a prediction - I really hope i'm wrong but struggling to see how Frampton will be able to penetrate the reach advantage. I've no doubt that he is feeling stronger than he has ever but the thing to bear in mind is that while he is punching harder than he was that with fighting in a higher weight class his opponents will now have greater punch resistance.
Frampton will have a game plan and I was looking at his sparring partners, one guy Pablo Rubio is not only a similar build and style to Santa Cruz but has also sparred with Santa Cruz which will hopefully give Frampton a pretty useful inside track into fighting SC. I see McGuigan has been referring to Rubio as their secret weapon, refusing to reveal his name to the press but it's not hard to work out who McGuigan is talking about. Frampton's camp seem to be exuding confidence and relishing the underdog status.
My head says Santa Cruz wins this on a decision, my heart says that Frampton wins by 10th round KO. I think I am going to go with my heart on this one.
The very end of this interview with Frampton had me laughing. See what his response is to how his fans back home are going to stay awake for the fight (about the 3 minute mark onwards), would love to see him winning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprMwkbjuC4
Quote from: JimStynes on July 29, 2016, 09:57:38 AM
Hope I am wrong but I just can't see Frampton winning this one. I think Santa Cruz has maybe a 7 inch reach advantage and doesnt stop throwing punches. I honestly haven't been massively impressed with Frampton. He's looked good against ok opposition but Santa Cruz is a different story. Hopefully I'm talking shite and he does the business though.
I agree. This is a step too far, and a bad move by McGuigan similar to the bad decision by Barney Eastwood that practically ended McGuigan's career.
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Hope I am wrong but I just can't see Frampton winning this one. I think Santa Cruz has maybe a 7 inch reach advantage and doesnt stop throwing punches. I honestly haven't been massively impressed with Frampton. He's looked good against ok opposition but Santa Cruz is a different story. Hopefully I'm talking shite and he does the business though.
I agree. This is a step too far, and a bad move by McGuigan similar to the bad decision by Barney Eastwood that practically ended McGuigan's career.
What is the alternative? Fight bums or try to be the best you can be. Santa Cruz isn't a notoriously heavy puncher and if Frampton's engine is not as decimated due to not having to cut as much weight then I would be hopeful that his counter punching can be successful.
Quote from: Orior on July 29, 2016, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 29, 2016, 09:57:38 AM
Hope I am wrong but I just can't see Frampton winning this one. I think Santa Cruz has maybe a 7 inch reach advantage and doesnt stop throwing punches. I honestly haven't been massively impressed with Frampton. He's looked good against ok opposition but Santa Cruz is a different story. Hopefully I'm talking shite and he does the business though.
I agree. This is a step too far, and a bad move by McGuigan similar to the bad decision by Barney Eastwood that practically ended McGuigan's career.
I am glad to see him taking the fight. It's good to see him fighting elite levels such as Santa Cruz, good enough pay day and gets exposure in the states if he puts on a good show. If he does get beat he still has a lot of alternatives after this, won't be the end of his career. Not fighting Rigo is the smart move but shit for me as i simple love watching Rigo fight, but it does the likes of Frampton no good at all - high risk and low reward and all that.
I think if Frampton is able to connect with one good punch. Looking at them in the ring last night, Santa Cruz is like a jockeys whip compared.
https://youtu.be/396c6NrTjLQ
HBO story of The War, Hagler v Hearns, brightened up my Friday night
Shows the punch Hearns catches Duran with - unreal.
Not impressed with Luke Campbell here.
Up too early as always. Good scrap here in Garcia-Rojas fight.
Frampton's on fire...
Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na!
Here we go!
2-2 so far. One clear round each and the other ones could have went either way. Good fight
5-3 Frampton for me. Great fight. Hope be doesn't fade.
Is John Rawlins doing anybodys head in
Quote from: gallsman on July 31, 2016, 04:28:30 AM
5-3 Frampton for me. Great fight. Hope be doesn't fade.
Great fight, very close but I have Frampton 2 up after 10
A lot of rounds that are hard to call. My fear is they will give those round to Santa Cruz for being the aggressor.
Also frampton looking great at this weight.
Cruz coming on strong! This is going to be close!
Both emptying the tank here! A draw wouldn't surprise me here!!
Got it! he feckin got it!
Frampton done well there, i actually thought Santa Cruz had shaded him with constant punching through the rounds
Get in!! Well done Carl! Great stuff!! But one judge giving it by 6 rounds was a bit crazy!
Unreal! I had it very close and was expecting them to give it to Santa Cruz.
I gave it to him by three or four in the end. Unbelievable. Ultimate the right result but thought 117-111 was a bit harsh.
Frampton snappier and much more accurate throughout and his defence, particularly his head movement, was brilliant.
Absolutely smashing fight.
Thought a draw would been near the right decision, so many of those heavy hitting rounds were hard to call, def wasn't 6 in it at 117 - 111 and thought 4 was also harsh at 116 - 112
I thought it was gonna end up a draw, Frampton by 6 rounds was silly
Twas a great fight, rare you'll see two fighters with such quality,matched so equally
Fair play Carl
Hope they do it again. If I was Santa Cruz's team I would be pissed off by those score cards. I had it very close and expected it to be a draw or someone winning by a round. Wonder what is next for Frampton?? Rigondeaux will be calling him out again.
Quote from: gallsman on July 31, 2016, 04:53:58 AM
I gave it to him by three or four in the end. Unbelievable. Ultimate the right result but thought 117-111 was a bit harsh.
Frampton snappier and much more accurate throughout and his defence, particularly his head movement, was brilliant.
Absolutely smashing fight.
+ 1
I had him easily the winner the commentator where flat ignoring his punches and Rawlins clearly push Cruz rounds on the colour commentator it fecking annoyed tbh.
Irish crowd where unreal. Steve Bunch would sicken yer hole, i actually like him as a pundit but lead presenter NO. ''What does this mean to BRITISH boxing, BRitish boxing'' he emphasised it twice!!! my typing doesnt do justice to his obvious distest to him having Irishness. i dont mind Britain claiming Frampton. He's a prod married to a catholic from the north, he epitimises a shared society and makes sure he mentions everyone in his celebrations
I was watching it on Showtime and they were much more honest about it. Acknowledged Santa Cruz coming back into it but that Frampton was boxing superbly. Their unofficial scorer had it 5-1 to Frampton after six.
Also, not that it should be remarkable in any way, but Frampton spoke so well after that. The man is an absolute role model.
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I gave it to him by three or four in the end. Unbelievable. Ultimate the right result but thought 117-111 was a bit harsh.
Frampton snappier and much more accurate throughout and his defence, particularly his head movement, was brilliant.
Absolutely smashing fight.
+ 1
I had him easily the winner the commentator where flat ignoring his punches and Rawlins clearly push Cruz rounds on the colour commentator it fecking annoyed tbh.
Irish crowd where unreal. Steve Bunch would sicken yer hole, i actually like him as a pundit but lead presenter NO. ''What does this mean to BRITISH boxing, BRitish boxing'' he emphasised it twice!!! my typing doesnt do justice to his obvious distest to him having Irishness. i dont mind Britain claiming Frampton. He's a prod married to a catholic from the north, he epitimises a shared society and makes sure he mentions everyone in his celebrations
Heard that as well. Frampton fought for Ireland as a youngster. It's the usual story, if he would have been beaten then British wouldnt have been mentioned.
Unreal ! World class performance from Frampton tonight. Winner in my book not quite by the margin that two of the judges had it but I was scoring it being fairly critical of Frampton to leave a bit of breathing room for bias. Great performance, landing the cleaner punches, being elusive and not letting SC establish any true rhythm.
Gallsman - couldn't put it better, absolute role model and a class act.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 31, 2016, 04:48:34 AM
Frampton done well there, i actually thought Santa Cruz had shaded him with constant punching through the rounds
All about the judges' taste and interpretation. Santa Cruz much busier but Carl with the more quality shots
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Frampton done well there, i actually thought Santa Cruz had shaded him with constant punching through the rounds
All about the judges' taste and interpretation. Santa Cruz much busier but Carl with the more quality shots
Yup, it'sa boxing match, not a brawl. If you look at all aspects of it, Frampton was probably superior and even a draw would have been harsh on him. More accurate, boxed off both the bank and front foot, superb defence and outstanding footwork. Some of his escapes off the ropes and out of the owners were masterful.
Will be some hang re Milltown Row has today!
Never thought Carl would do it, de lígate dto be proven wrong.
Wow!! Fecking wow!!!! Went out last night with mates home for 3 sat with family watching the fight, mother and father in laws at the Berkley watching the fight sending us face time stuff, thought this was going to be a step too far, nope, stuck to the plan never changed and trusted the tactic!!! Wow, known Carl since he was about 8, as nice a fella you'll ever meet. His post fight interview was great.... To achieve what he's done at 2 different weights is fantastic, to do it in the states well that takes guts!..
Big options for him now....
What sort of money we talking here for Frampton?
Well done to the man! He is a total class act and a brilliant advertisement for this place.
Simply superb, fully deserved the win. Watched a pre-fight interview and Carl seemed so laid back compared to some of his previous fights. His training had gone well and he was fully fit with no niggly injuries. Guy belongs on the big stage.
Quote from: PW Nally on July 31, 2016, 10:44:26 AM
What sort of money we talking here for Frampton?
500k USD and presumably some TV money off BoxNation. LSC's purse was double that.
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What sort of money we talking here for Frampton?
500k USD and presumably some TV money off BoxNation. LSC's purse was double that.
And even bigger paydays and sponsorship to follow presumably.
What are his options now? Selby fight should prob be built up a bit more before they fight.
Absolutely brilliant. Fair play to the man.
Just watched it for the first time on box nation jeez frampton was fantastic. His accuracy, power and movement was outstanding throughout. So happy for him he has always come across so well throughout his career.
anyone have a link to watch the full fight online? thanks
Quote from: JoG2 on August 01, 2016, 11:59:14 AM
anyone have a link to watch the full fight online? thanks
Try this...... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ml50t_carl-frampton-vs-leo-santa-cruz_sport
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Quote from: JoG2 on August 01, 2016, 11:59:14 AM
anyone have a link to watch the full fight online? thanks
Try this...... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ml50t_carl-frampton-vs-leo-santa-cruz_sport
first class Benny..must hoke out the 'do not disturb' sign :)
Watched the daily motion link yesterday, unbelievable quality.
Frampton is a class act. Shane McGuigan is some man too. To hear him in the corner when we got a chance was great - solid advice to get Carl's head back in the fight in the later rounds. Superior defense, some beautiful punches landed - best I've seen of him. I'll admit I was very worried going to the scorecards. Normally a fight as close as that would go to the Champ. We all had a great view on tV but the judges at ringside could have (and did) see a very different fight. Delighted for Carl and Belfast Boxers!
Quote from: The Iceman on August 01, 2016, 03:56:05 PM
Frampton is a class act. Shane McGuigan is some man too. To hear him in the corner when we got a chance was great - solid advice to get Carl's head back in the fight in the later rounds. Superior defense, some beautiful punches landed - best I've seen of him. I'll admit I was very worried going to the scorecards. Normally a fight as close as that would go to the Champ. We all had a great view on tV but the judges at ringside could have (and did) see a very different fight. Delighted for Carl and Belfast Boxers!
how was in received by the American boxing press?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2016, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on August 01, 2016, 03:56:05 PM
Frampton is a class act. Shane McGuigan is some man too. To hear him in the corner when we got a chance was great - solid advice to get Carl's head back in the fight in the later rounds. Superior defense, some beautiful punches landed - best I've seen of him. I'll admit I was very worried going to the scorecards. Normally a fight as close as that would go to the Champ. We all had a great view on tV but the judges at ringside could have (and did) see a very different fight. Delighted for Carl and Belfast Boxers!
how was in received by the American boxing press?
so far so good - they are touting the fight as a fight of the year candidate and applauding Frampton's skill. Certainly no complaints about the result (aside form the scoring maybe) but he'll be invited back without a doubt and can command more money and big fights. He definitely cracked the market there is no doubt about that. To move up a weight, stand toe to toe with an undefeated Mexican champion and take the belt from him like that - the American boxing fans (rightly so) lapped it up.
Quote from: The Iceman on August 01, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2016, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on August 01, 2016, 03:56:05 PM
Frampton is a class act. Shane McGuigan is some man too. To hear him in the corner when we got a chance was great - solid advice to get Carl's head back in the fight in the later rounds. Superior defense, some beautiful punches landed - best I've seen of him. I'll admit I was very worried going to the scorecards. Normally a fight as close as that would go to the Champ. We all had a great view on tV but the judges at ringside could have (and did) see a very different fight. Delighted for Carl and Belfast Boxers!
how was in received by the American boxing press?
so far so good - they are touting the fight as a fight of the year candidate and applauding Frampton's skill. Certainly no complaints about the result (aside form the scoring maybe) but he'll be invited back without a doubt and can command more money and big fights. He definitely cracked the market there is no doubt about that. To move up a weight, stand toe to toe with an undefeated Mexican champion and take the belt from him like that - the American boxing fans (rightly so) lapped it up.
It's great achievement.. to beat a 3 weight champions who's undefeated, well enough said
Well done Carl, and thankfully my prediction was wrong.
May I be the first to say that loyalist belfast has taken over the Frampton show. Wonder if his wife's folks from the New Lodge have taken to wearing the NI soccer top?
Predictable insulting myopic nonsense from you there Orior there. The self control to not snipe in the north no matter the achievement or positivity simply doesn't exist. You are a child, nothing more.
Congratulations to Frampton, a class act in and out of the ring. On course to be the GoAT Irish boxer now. He might already be there.
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Predictable insulting myopic nonsense from you there Orior there. The self control to not snipe in the north no matter the achievement or positivity simply doesn't exist. You are a child, nothing more.
Congratulations to Frampton, a class act in and out of the ring. On course to the GoAT Irish boxer now. He might already be there.
Thank you!
Quote from: Orior on August 01, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Predictable insulting myopic nonsense from you there Orior there. The self control to not snipe in the north no matter the achievement or positivity simply doesn't exist. You are a child, nothing more.
Congratulations to Frampton, a class act in and out of the ring. On course to the GoAT Irish boxer now. He might already be there.
Thank you!
Don't be dick Orior, stop making things themus and usses, so fecking predictable
Quote from: Orior on August 01, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Predictable insulting myopic nonsense from you there Orior there. The self control to not snipe in the north no matter the achievement or positivity simply doesn't exist. You are a child, nothing more.
Congratulations to Frampton, a class act in and out of the ring. On course to the GoAT Irish boxer now. He might already be there.
Thank you!
Twat. There was tricolours, GAA tops and Norn iron jerseys in that bar yesterday. The wee man has done more to bring people together than any of those tubes on the hill.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 01, 2016, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 01, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Predictable insulting myopic nonsense from you there Orior there. The self control to not snipe in the north no matter the achievement or positivity simply doesn't exist. You are a child, nothing more.
Congratulations to Frampton, a class act in and out of the ring. On course to the GoAT Irish boxer now. He might already be there.
Thank you!
Twat. There was tricolours, GAA tops and Norn iron jerseys in that bar yesterday. The wee man has done more to bring people together than any of those tubes on the hill.
I only saw NI tops. Shoot me.
Quote from: Orior on August 01, 2016, 11:36:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 01, 2016, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 01, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Predictable insulting myopic nonsense from you there Orior there. The self control to not snipe in the north no matter the achievement or positivity simply doesn't exist. You are a child, nothing more.
Congratulations to Frampton, a class act in and out of the ring. On course to the GoAT Irish boxer now. He might already be there.
Thank you!
Twat. There was tricolours, GAA tops and Norn iron jerseys in that bar yesterday. The wee man has done more to bring people together than any of those tubes on the hill.
I only saw NI tops. Shoot me.
You only see what you want and believe what people tell you... Good man
I see box rec now have Frampton in the top ten pound for pound fighters list at number 9, sandwiched between Klitschko at number 8 and Kell Brook at number 10.
Some achievement and well deserved.
One boy up the list a bit who's place might not be so comfortable at the minute is Tyson Fury, he pulled out of the Klitschko fight citing injury on the same day he was banned by the UKAD for testing positive for nandrolone. Ban has been lifted ahead until a hearing in front of the national anti doping panel.
MR - Interested in your thoughts where Frampton goes from here ? Selby fight would be great but would be a bigger fight if Selby has a high profile win beforehand.
I could see someone like Abner Mares coming over to Belfast for his next fight ? Mares still a big name stateside with a point to prove.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 04, 2016, 01:12:29 PM
I see box rec now have Frampton in the top ten pound for pound fighters list at number 9, sandwiched between Klitschko at number 8 and Kell Brook at number 10.
Some achievement and well deserved.
One boy up the list a bit who's place might not be so comfortable at the minute is Tyson Fury, he pulled out of the Klitschko fight citing injury on the same day he was banned by the UKAD for testing positive for nandrolone. Ban has been lifted ahead until a hearing in front of the national anti doping panel.
MR - Interested in your thoughts where Frampton goes from here ? Selby fight would be great but would be a bigger fight if Selby has a high profile win beforehand.
I could see someone like Abner Mares coming over to Belfast for his next fight ? Mares still a big name stateside with a point to prove.
talk that santa cruz will be activating a rematch clause in the contract.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 04, 2016, 01:12:29 PM
I see box rec now have Frampton in the top ten pound for pound fighters list at number 9, sandwiched between Klitschko at number 8 and Kell Brook at number 10.
Some achievement and well deserved.
One boy up the list a bit who's place might not be so comfortable at the minute is Tyson Fury, he pulled out of the Klitschko fight citing injury on the same day he was banned by the UKAD for testing positive for nandrolone. Ban has been lifted ahead until a hearing in front of the national anti doping panel.
MR - Interested in your thoughts where Frampton goes from here ? Selby fight would be great but would be a bigger fight if Selby has a high profile win beforehand.
I could see someone like Abner Mares coming over to Belfast for his next fight ? Mares still a big name stateside with a point to prove.
Mares certainly an option, Donaire too for some further exposure in the US. Selby, like Quigg, would be a big draw at home but Frampton is in the driving seat. Really up to him. Personally would love to see the rematch.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 04, 2016, 01:12:29 PM
I see box rec now have Frampton in the top ten pound for pound fighters list at number 9, sandwiched between Klitschko at number 8 and Kell Brook at number 10.
Some achievement and well deserved.
One boy up the list a bit who's place might not be so comfortable at the minute is Tyson Fury, he pulled out of the Klitschko fight citing injury on the same day he was banned by the UKAD for testing positive for nandrolone. Ban has been lifted ahead until a hearing in front of the national anti doping panel.
MR - Interested in your thoughts where Frampton goes from here ? Selby fight would be great but would be a bigger fight if Selby has a high profile win beforehand.
I could see someone like Abner Mares coming over to Belfast for his next fight ? Mares still a big name stateside with a point to prove.
Inlaws just back from New York, thought the fight at ringside was always in favour of Carl (well for most rounds) so coming round to watch the fight tonight and talk about options... Think personally five fights would be enough over next 2 and half years, 29 now. Couple of fights in the states, one in England and couple in Belfast....
Carl is a good talker, and would be intelligent enough to do punditry around Britain and beyond... Hard to tell someone to quit when at the top of their game I suppose
rigondeaux Won't feature in the plans? I've seen lists of possible opponents and no mention of the Cuban at all.
I think if he fought Mares they'd want to keep it in the states - he's a solid name over here, strong mexican who can brawl and put on exciting fights - would do better PPV numbers here than in belfast...
carl is a great boxer and would be too technical for Mares but a great, exciting fight nonetheless with a well known U.S name - smart fight for good money
Dont think Rigo features on anyones plans there is no money in him and he would likely beat anyone below 127
Hardly think Frampton will be up to PPV level in the US yet, in fact I would say he's still miles of it
Gary Russel Jr too risky an option probably.
chatting last night and they have said its an 8 fight finish from here on in, providing there are no upsets in between, but a defeat to Carl will be just that a defeat and he'll move on to the next guy, he was a great amateur and lost fights but always bounced back, so taking that forward wouldn't be a big thing to him in his professional life...
Nothing has been planned at this point so its a case of wait and see who comes forward with the best deal I suppose, Russell, Selby in Cardiff would be a big earner, Mares would be another taster for the American fight fans... he might even finish off fighting rigondeaux, as I'm sure very aware of what others have said, but when you are managed by someone you take their judgement on things, its done him no harm so far!!
main thing is to not get carried away (which is not in his nature) approach each fight with the same professional attitude as before, take nothing for granted and trust your body to tell you what you can do
Great position to be in, to not only have plenty of options but to be able to call the shots on those options.
Woke up on the morning after the fight and took a look at the Sports Personality of the Year award market. Stan James had him priced up at 200/1, thought i't was worth a fiver. They were not offering e/w terms (i.e. top 3 finish), wish they were. If Frampton has a big fight in October/ November I think he would be a contender for a top 3 finish in it especially if it was Selby but can't see it happening this year. In contrast to the likes of Murray at least Frampton has the personality which despite the title of the award doesn't seem to be as an important part of the criteria as it should be.
Iceman - Agree a fight with Mares would do better PPV numbers in the States. Think if Carl had his heart set on a fight in Belfast then Mares would be willing to travel over.
Rigondeaux is getting older and has been put down quite a few times recently. Russel Junior is very good but apparently he is going to move up and chase for a rematch with Lomachenko, although I heard conflicting reports that he wants to unify the FW division first. A lot of interesting fights out there in this division now, as Quigg will come into the equation I can see him having a big fight soon against one of the big hitters. It also goes to show how underwhelming JJ Nevin's career has been so far when you see someone he beat at the Olympics sitting as a World FW Champion now.
Nevin has had a fair few issues since 2012.
I understand the politics and business influence on making matches in professional boxing now but it really frustrates me.
Rigondeaux And GGG have both had relatively low profile and middling careers because the best fighters around them won't face them. Again, I understand why but I pine for the era when every fighter wanted to prove he was king of the jungle and took on all comers. Invariably the money took care of itself on the back of that approach.
Rigondeaux Looks really classy and maybe untouchable but with Father Time creeping about it looks like we'll not have any evidence either way.
Thats why I admire Amir Khan to be honest, he never ducks anyone and always looks to fight the best. Boxing can be so frustrating because a lot of the time you rarely see number 1 vs number 2. The best boxers are so desperate to keep an unbeaten record that they start to cherry pick fights. PBF Mayweather has been doing it for years.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 05, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Thats why I admire Amir Khan to be honest, he never ducks anyone and always looks to fight the best. Boxing can be so frustrating because a lot of the time you rarely see number 1 vs number 2. The best boxers are so desperate to keep an unbeaten record that they start to cherry pick fights. PBF Mayweather has been doing it for years.
Khan has ducked Brook for years now
Quote from: lurganblue on August 05, 2016, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 05, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Thats why I admire Amir Khan to be honest, he never ducks anyone and always looks to fight the best. Boxing can be so frustrating because a lot of the time you rarely see number 1 vs number 2. The best boxers are so desperate to keep an unbeaten record that they start to cherry pick fights. PBF Mayweather has been doing it for years.
Khan has ducked Brook for years now
And Brook will be torn apart by GGG..
Quote from: lurganblue on August 05, 2016, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 05, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Thats why I admire Amir Khan to be honest, he never ducks anyone and always looks to fight the best. Boxing can be so frustrating because a lot of the time you rarely see number 1 vs number 2. The best boxers are so desperate to keep an unbeaten record that they start to cherry pick fights. PBF Mayweather has been doing it for years.
Khan has ducked Brook for years now
I disagree slightly. I think Khan realizes the Brook fight will always be there for him where as the Mayweather and Pacquiao type fights he wanted won't.
I agree, like an unrequited love triangle, Brook wanted Khan, Khan wasn't interested, Khan wanted Manny / Floyd who both weren't interested.
Easy win for Ward last night then!
Quote from: JimStynes on August 07, 2016, 10:08:47 AM
Easy win for Ward last night then!
Yes, was up with the little one so watched it. Won every round easy and looked like he was in second gear throughout. Kovalev interviewed in the ring with him afterwards, that'll be a proper fight between two of the best!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 07, 2016, 10:08:47 AM
Easy win for Ward last night then!
Yes, was up with the little one so watched it. Won every round easy and looked like he was in second gear throughout. Kovalev interviewed in the ring with him afterwards, that'll be a proper fight between two of the best!
Havent watch either of their latest fights but apparently Kovalev struggled with a mediocre technical opponent a few weeks ago in Russia. Granted he probably wasnt up for the fight but if its a indication of how he deals with these sorts of opponents he will really struggle with Ward
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Easy win for Ward last night then!
Yes, was up with the little one so watched it. Won every round easy and looked like he was in second gear throughout. Kovalev interviewed in the ring with him afterwards, that'll be a proper fight between two of the best!
Havent watch either of their latest fights but apparently Kovalev struggled with a mediocre technical opponent a few weeks ago in Russia. Granted he probably wasnt up for the fight but if its a indication of how he deals with these sorts of opponents he will really struggle with Ward
And Ward is many levels above Chilemba who Kovalev beat. He makes it look very easy and is very hard to hit. But I suspect neither Kovalev or Ward were at their as both had an eye of the super fight next.
Eddie Hearn tweeted today that for the official 30 day weigh in, Kell Brook weighed 176lbs and GGG weighed 165lbs. :o Kell will be lucky to make middleweight at this rate! ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2016, 08:35:35 PM
Eddie Hearn tweeted today that for the official 30 day weigh in, Kell Brook weighed 176lbs and GGG weighed 165lbs. :o Kell will be lucky to make middleweight at this rate! ;D
16 pounds in 30 days? No bother whatsoever.
Quote from: gallsman on August 10, 2016, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 10, 2016, 08:35:35 PM
Eddie Hearn tweeted today that for the official 30 day weigh in, Kell Brook weighed 176lbs and GGG weighed 165lbs. :o Kell will be lucky to make middleweight at this rate! ;D
16 pounds in 30 days? No bother whatsoever.
Aye I know. I'd imagine he wanted to get as big as possible for this weigh in as part of the mind games.
Brook will want to be careful he doesn't do a McGregor and submit skip the cut. Fight is in relatively short notice to be posting on serious muscle and doing the cardio to do go with it.
Ward on now
Two weird styles. Ward scoring.
Quote from: ONeill on August 10, 2016, 11:38:02 PM
Two weird styles. Ward scoring.
They are very messy alright. Ward deducted a point now...
Ward's an awkward slugger - be no surprise if he loses I'm afraid...
Hard one to judge. Like two drunken brawlers.
.....and another point. This will be tough now!
The ref was a bit of a joke.
Pathetic stuff. Was well warned about holding.
What did Ward do to get his reputation? Completely unable to defend himself..
Awful fight, Ward got what he deserved. Never came to fight, holding and brawling seemed to be his gameplan.
Ward showed nothing there to suggest he was a potential medallist. Crap fight.
All the pre tournament bigging up of the boxers is backfiring. I heard numerous pundits tipping Ireland for 8 medals in the boxing. Instead 4 have gone home already and performances have been poor generally.
I dunno which was worse? The fight or RTE's panel of experts?
They built Ward up like he was a sure thing.
After they blame ref, not showing up, fitness and tiredness!!
Pathetic stuff.
Bit of needle between Carruth and Dunne?
Carruths brother one of the men who got rid of Billy Walsh.
Dunne is obviously uncomfortable with the whole setup and biting his tongue.
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2016, 12:07:04 AM
Bit of needle between Carruth and Dunne?
What's in the needle?
USA performing well, Ireland performing badly. Guess what the story is going to be unless Mick Conlon can somehow grab a gold in his division to save the situation.
Quote from: FermGael on August 11, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
Carruths brother one of the men who got rid of Billy Walsh.
Dunne is obviously uncomfortable with the whole setup and biting his tongue.
Carruth wasn't one bit happy at the suggestion that Walsh's departure had anything to do with the losses to date.
Thought Bernard Dunne gave good analysis, no excuses or blaming the ref
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 11, 2016, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 11, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
Carruths brother one of the men who got rid of Billy Walsh.
Dunne is obviously uncomfortable with the whole setup and biting his tongue.
Carruth wasn't one bit happy at the suggestion that Walsh's departure had anything to do with the losses to date.
Thought Bernard Dunne gave good analysis, no excuses or blaming the ref
f**k Carruth, it's hard to argue that Walsh's departure hasn't had a negative effect on the setup!!! Both Ward and Barnes looked sluggish whether it was the weight or training and the O'Reilly situation beggars belief!
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Quote from: FermGael on August 11, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
Carruths brother one of the men who got rid of Billy Walsh.
Dunne is obviously uncomfortable with the whole setup and biting his tongue.
Carruth wasn't one bit happy at the suggestion that Walsh's departure had anything to do with the losses to date.
Thought Bernard Dunne gave good analysis, no excuses or blaming the ref
Yes. He said that Ward didn't show up basically and that his tactics were bad. Diplomatic way of saying that coaching and preparation was poor. Saying a boxer didn't do himself justice and looked tired and unfit in first fight in Olympics is fairly damning. How does that happen??
I just think he was beaten. Not by a better boxer as such, but by an opponent he couldn't deal with effectively. Even though he was a familiar enough opponent and they would have analysed him inside out or so you would think.
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Quote from: FermGael on August 11, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
Carruths brother one of the men who got rid of Billy Walsh.
Dunne is obviously uncomfortable with the whole setup and biting his tongue.
Carruth wasn't one bit happy at the suggestion that Walsh's departure had anything to do with the losses to date.
Thought Bernard Dunne gave good analysis, no excuses or blaming the ref
f**k Carruth, it's hard to argue that Walsh's departure hasn't had a negative effect on the setup!!! Both Ward and Barnes looked sluggish whether it was the weight or training and the O'Reilly situation beggars belief!
Carruth was making me angry listening to him. To say that O' Reilly's positive test, the Barnes weight fiasco and Joe Ward totally under-performing, had nothing to do with coaching is ignorant. I didn't know the reason but you could tell he was a lad with a grudge against Walsh. To say that it's just down to the boxers to perform and the coach is only the guy who gives you water between rounds, is bizarre, especially coming from a lad who is one of the most limited boxers to ever win an Olympic gold, something he could not have come close to doing without good coaching and a scoring system that rewarded cagey, negative boxing.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 11, 2016, 08:34:56 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2016, 01:14:55 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 11, 2016, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 11, 2016, 12:17:49 AM
Carruths brother one of the men who got rid of Billy Walsh.
Dunne is obviously uncomfortable with the whole setup and biting his tongue.
Carruth wasn't one bit happy at the suggestion that Walsh's departure had anything to do with the losses to date.
Thought Bernard Dunne gave good analysis, no excuses or blaming the ref
f**k Carruth, it's hard to argue that Walsh's departure hasn't had a negative effect on the setup!!! Both Ward and Barnes looked sluggish whether it was the weight or training and the O'Reilly situation beggars belief!
Carruth was making me angry listening to him. To say that O' Reilly's positive test, the Barnes weight fiasco and Joe Ward totally under-performing, had nothing to do with coaching is ignorant. I didn't know the reason but you could tell he was a lad with a grudge against Walsh. To say that it's just down to the boxers to perform and the coach is only the guy who gives you water between rounds, is bizarre, especially coming from a lad who is one of the most limited boxers to ever win an Olympic gold, something he could not have come close to doing without good coaching and a scoring system that rewarded cagey, negative boxing.
Was funny when he mentioned Ward's tough draw, how he would have had to fight the french guy in the next round. :o
http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jones-jr-s-br-long-goodbye/ (http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jones-jr-s-br-long-goodbye/)
Cracking article about the legend Roy Jones Junior. It's long but a great read. I wish he would retire before he seriously gets hurt.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 27, 2016, 09:42:33 PM
http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jones-jr-s-br-long-goodbye/ (http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jones-jr-s-br-long-goodbye/)
Cracking article about the legend Roy Jones Junior. It's long but a great read. I wish he would retire before he seriously gets hurt.
Excellent article. Thanks for putting it up.
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2016, 01:18:32 AM
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http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jones-jr-s-br-long-goodbye/ (http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jones-jr-s-br-long-goodbye/)
Cracking article about the legend Roy Jones Junior. It's long but a great read. I wish he would retire before he seriously gets hurt.
Excellent article. Thanks for putting it up.
Is it the money, the attention or the adrenaline that keeps these boys going? Surely they have money in the bank.
That piece is from before his fight with Maccarinelli which ended...with another brutal knockout. Big Mac had been on the receiving end of too many of those as well.
Quote from: gallsman on August 28, 2016, 06:32:23 AM
That piece is from before his fight with Maccarinelli which ended...with another brutal knockout. Big Mac had been on the receiving end of too many of those as well.
If I remember correctly, Maccarinelli didn't celebrate the knockout and was nearly apologetic about beating Jones Jnr. It's sad he has tainted his legacy, he should have retired at the top. One of the best ever.
Good article. He is the best I have ever saw. Never forget watching him lose his perfect record against Montell Griffin, first time I got pissed off at a boxing result. Never the same when he boiled down from HW.
He should have quit after Ruiz alright. Interesting that he was chasing a Tyson fight and maybe if he got that he'd have quit. Even the decision he got over Tarver when coming back down off the Ruiz fight was a joke and then he had the bad KOs against Tarver and Johnson that was the beginning of the end.
The Maccranelli fight was one of the most bizarre boxing matches I've seen. He was fighting out of Russia if I'm not mistaken and stood for the Russian national anthem. Enzo then knocked him out fairly swiftly. Jones Jr was definitely one of the greatest and it's difficult to understand why or how someone like him keeps going. He just can't let go. I fear a very tragic ending to his story!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 09:29:12 AM
The Maccranelli fight was one of the most bizarre boxing matches I've seen. He was fighting out of Russia if I'm not mistaken and stood for the Russian national anthem. Enzo then knocked him out fairly swiftly. Jones Jr was definitely one of the greatest and it's difficult to understand why or how someone like him keeps going. He just can't let go. I fear a very tragic ending to his story!
He took out Russian citizenship, honoured by Putin etc. Have to dig out an article I read, possibly from Guardian about the circumstances around it. Jones trying to claim it wasn't just a stunt etc. It was a freak show, not an athletic competition. Two lads who are sure to have brain damage swinging at each other. You can hear the slurring in Jones' voice in his analysis on the HBO broadcasts. A crying shame as his analysis is incredible, a brilliant replacement for Steward.
The scariest thing for me from the Bleacher Report piece before the fight was that Jones genuinely appeared to think he could win the cruiserweight title. Utterly delusional.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 09:29:12 AM
The Maccranelli fight was one of the most bizarre boxing matches I've seen. He was fighting out of Russia if I'm not mistaken and stood for the Russian national anthem. Enzo then knocked him out fairly swiftly. Jones Jr was definitely one of the greatest and it's difficult to understand why or how someone like him keeps going. He just can't let go. I fear a very tragic ending to his story!
He took out Russian citizenship, honoured by Putin etc. Have to dig out an article I read, possibly from Guardian about the circumstances around it. Jones trying to claim it wasn't just a stunt etc. It was a freak show, not an athletic competition. Two lads who are sure to have brain damage swinging at each other. You can hear the slurring in Jones' voice in his analysis on the HBO broadcasts. A crying shame as his analysis is incredible, a brilliant replacement for Steward.
The scariest thing for me from the Bleacher Report piece before the fight was that Jones genuinely appeared to think he could win the cruiserweight title. Utterly delusional.
Someone at the Mayo clinic must not be doing their job right if something hasn't been detected at this point and that is what he is hanging on to.
Nrico, I remember watching that as well, but he took sweet revenge in the rematch!
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
I cant see anything other than a GGG knockout. Might place a bet for the 8th round. Looking forward to it. About time the fella was able to get a big fight.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Saw Benn Jrs debut. He's very raw. Don't think he has much of an amateur background.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2016, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Saw Benn Jrs debut. He's very raw. Don't think he has much of an amateur background.
No doubt - very raw. Just want to see has he progressed any.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Not really. Brook had good hand speed but can't see him having the power to keep golovkin off him. Which in turn means his footwork and defensive work would need to be be Rigondeauxesque which it isn"t which is going to be a problem as golovkin cuts off the ring very well.
Give huge credit to Brook for taking this fight as shows he has some pair of stones but can't see how doesn't end in KO. Brook has a good chin so may not be as early as you might think but hard to see him lasting into the championship rounds.
Quote from: CiKe on September 08, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Not really. Brook had good hand speed but can't see him having the power to keep golovkin off him. Which in turn means his footwork and defensive work would need to be be Rigondeauxesque which it isn"t which is going to be a problem as golovkin cuts off the ring very well.
Give huge credit to Brook for taking this fight as shows he has some pair of stones but can't see how doesn't end in KO. Brook has a good chin so may not be as early as you might think but hard to see him lasting into the championship rounds.
Agreed. Golovkin will just keep marching forward and doesn't mind taking a few as he continuously lands bombs. Brook won't last 8 rounds I don't think. Brook will certainly land a few but will they be enough to ruffle Golovkin? Can't see it tbh. Really looking forward to it.
Be about 11pm ring walk?
Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: CiKe on September 08, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Not really. Brook had good hand speed but can't see him having the power to keep golovkin off him. Which in turn means his footwork and defensive work would need to be be Rigondeauxesque which it isn"t which is going to be a problem as golovkin cuts off the ring very well.
Give huge credit to Brook for taking this fight as shows he has some pair of stones but can't see how doesn't end in KO. Brook has a good chin so may not be as early as you might think but hard to see him lasting into the championship rounds.
Agreed. Golovkin will just keep marching forward and doesn't mind taking a few as he continuously lands bombs. Brook won't last 8 rounds I don't think. Brook will certainly land a few but will they be enough to ruffle Golovkin? Can't see it tbh. Really looking forward to it.
Be about 11pm ring walk?
Think I seen 10pm or a little later....
No doubt KB will put up a good fight....
Both fighters can't get a fight at their own weight...
Win/win really for both with loads of cash...
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on September 08, 2016, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: CiKe on September 08, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 08, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Does anyone give Brook a chance against GGG??
The main fight has got a decent undercard too. Looking forward to seeing Benn jr!
Not really. Brook had good hand speed but can't see him having the power to keep golovkin off him. Which in turn means his footwork and defensive work would need to be be Rigondeauxesque which it isn"t which is going to be a problem as golovkin cuts off the ring very well.
Give huge credit to Brook for taking this fight as shows he has some pair of stones but can't see how doesn't end in KO. Brook has a good chin so may not be as early as you might think but hard to see him lasting into the championship rounds.
Agreed. Golovkin will just keep marching forward and doesn't mind taking a few as he continuously lands bombs. Brook won't last 8 rounds I don't think. Brook will certainly land a few but will they be enough to ruffle Golovkin? Can't see it tbh. Really looking forward to it.
Be about 11pm ring walk?
Think I seen 10pm or a little later....
No doubt KB will put up a good fight....
Both fighters can't get a fight at their own weight...
Win/win really for both with loads of cash...
Brook has more of a chance than Khan had going in against Canelo but I still can't see past Golovkin and agree with the comments above.
I actually think Brook has very dangerous fights (Thurman, Spence Jr) at his own weight class and may move up one weight after this fight to avoid them. Other than Porter he hasn't faced any top class opposition. That being said I'm a fan of his and he is probably the best boxer in Britain at the moment.
Both make weight with GGG coming in at 158.9. A bit strange.
I'm a big Brook fan but he realistically has no chance tomorrow night, but I've been sucked in by all the hype and as the fight draws closer I'm beginning to think Brook might put up a decent show. I don't think we have seen the best of Brook, he's unbeaten so you just never know..........actually, we do know.......he's going to be knocked out! But I'm still looking forward to it!
Quote from: gallsman on September 09, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
Both make weight with GGG coming in at 158.9. A bit strange.
Whats strange?
Reckon ggg will be close to 170 by tomorrow night
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 09, 2016, 08:39:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 09, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
Both make weight with GGG coming in at 158.9. A bit strange.
Whats strange?
That he came in more than a pound underweight.
Quote from: gallsman on September 10, 2016, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 09, 2016, 08:39:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 09, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
Both make weight with GGG coming in at 158.9. A bit strange.
Whats strange?
That he came in more than a pound underweight.
Oh yeah. missed that thought it was 159.9lbs
I think this could be cracker but alot depends on Brook no.1 if his power carries up with his weight because if he cant keep Golovkin off he'll just become prey and no.2 if his stamina lasts.
Tho even if he does manage those two things its still very difficult to see him winning
I think GGG in 6. With a couple of canvas visits before the finish for Brook
Frochs nose is nice :D
This is working at the moment.
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GGG in 1-3 rds. Heard the winner again, dupes everyone into believing it's a contest. May be wrong. Poor undercard too yet again
Brook responded well in r1
And again in R2. Standing his ground so far.
Any better streams?
2-2 after 4 rounds?
Corner did well to pull Brook out there..
Extremely enjoyable 5 rounds but Jesus that was dangerous for brook there.
Sky sports commentators talking shite too.
Wouldn't be surprised if brooks eye socket is smashed, you could see him gesture to his corner as it happened, 3rd round I think. Great effort from him.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's been struggling to see out of that right eye for a couple of rounds..
Edit-Pauly has just said similar on Sky
Glad the corner pulled him out of the fight there. That was only going to get worse. Commentators talking shite throughout. Brook had some balls to get in with that machine. Would love to have seen him without the eye injury to see how long he would have lasted.
Good effort by Brook, his corner were correct to throw in the towel.
Just on the towel thing, throw the f**king thing in and not wave it behind the refs back!
Fair play to Kell, he gave it a proper go and the corner were right to pull him out.
BIG DRAMA SHOW
What a fight. Correct decision to throw in towel.
Brook wasn't too disappointed!!
Gettin outta there alive was a bonus.
fair play to Brook but some amount o shite being talked there about a guy that was pulled out of it in 5 rounds
Quote from: ONeill on September 10, 2016, 11:55:31 PM
Brook wasn't too disappointed!!
I would say he will be feeling extremely frustrated rather than disappointed. His eye socket more than likely broken so what can he do? He's never going to last 12 rounds with that sort of injury so he probably knows it was the right decision. But no doubt feeling like he could do much better if he hadn't of got that injury and will want another shot, even though there are much easier fights out there, for more money. Would have been interesting to see how long he would have lasted injury free.
The commentators talk some shite about this is the blue print to beat GGG and all. When really the fight went as everyone expected. Stoppage in middle rounds. I really rate Brook though. Cracking fighter and will hopefully be back at the top soon.
Brook is some fighter and fair dues to him. GGG is an absolute beast and would have caused serious damage if that had went any further. Brook landed that upper cut and a combo in the second, Golovkin jesters and you feared the worst for Brook. As has been mentioned, the Sky commentators are full of sh1t. They even tried to portray the fact that GGG got angry was a weakness.. dear me.
Christ but Eddie Hearns is a tube
Brook handled himself well, maybe drop back down and clean up. Socket was broken early. Good call by corner. GGG is some fighter.
The result shows just how brave, but incredibly stupid, a decision it was for Brook to jump that much weight. GGG hasn't looked good or healthy all week, was very low at the 30 day weigh in and he still smashed him.
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2016, 12:07:54 AM
The result shows just how brave, but incredibly stupid, a decision it was for Brook to jump that much weight. GGG hasn't looked good or healthy all week, was very low at the 30 day weigh in and he still smashed him.
Aye Brook landed a few but nothing troubling. Brook was likely to end up in a bad way if they allowed it to go on so he right decision from the corner. Not ideal for paying public but the guys health was on the line.
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2016, 12:07:54 AM
The result shows just how brave, but incredibly stupid, a decision it was for Brook to jump that much weight. GGG hasn't looked good or healthy all week, was very low at the 30 day weigh in and he still smashed him.
Was he tho? Thought that myself about his weight but then was reading that Abel Sanchez says he rarely comes to camp above 170.
But then there was the 159 weigh in as you pointed out.... do you think he had a bug or something?
Anyone still doubt GGG? #1 in the world.
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2016, 04:15:07 AM
Anyone still doubt GGG? #1 in the world.
Last night proved nothing more regarding GGG other than what we already know. That he can beat up guys who he shouldn't be matched with. If that was a proper middle weight or above landing those shots that Kell was landing last night, then we would know a bit more. I felt he was actually outboxed a little in the exchanges last night but ultimately was too big and too strong at the weights!
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Brook is some fighter and fair dues to him. GGG is an absolute beast and would have caused serious damage if that had went any further. Brook landed that upper cut and a combo in the second, Golovkin jesters and you feared the worst for Brook. As has been mentioned, the Sky commentators are full of sh1t. They even tried to portray the fact that GGG got angry was a weakness.. dear me.
Christ but Eddie Hearns is a tube
An absolute slimeball.
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2016, 04:15:07 AM
Anyone still doubt GGG? #1 in the world.
The number one fighter in the world was fighting last night but it wasn't GGG. Roman 'chocolatito' Gonzalez picked up another world title. The man is amazing but doesn't get the correct regonition as he is in the smaller weight classes. GGG is an animal though, we are yet to see him in with another top 10. He might have to go up to some sort of catch weight to try secure his legacy, he's not getting any younger. Judging him against a fella who has jumped up 2 weights is pointless.
Quote from: ziggy90 on September 11, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Brook is some fighter and fair dues to him. GGG is an absolute beast and would have caused serious damage if that had went any further. Brook landed that upper cut and a combo in the second, Golovkin jesters and you feared the worst for Brook. As has been mentioned, the Sky commentators are full of sh1t. They even tried to portray the fact that GGG got angry was a weakness.. dear me.
Christ but Eddie Hearns is a tube
An absolute slimeball.
He is good at what he does though!
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2016, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ziggy90 on September 11, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Brook is some fighter and fair dues to him. GGG is an absolute beast and would have caused serious damage if that had went any further. Brook landed that upper cut and a combo in the second, Golovkin jesters and you feared the worst for Brook. As has been mentioned, the Sky commentators are full of sh1t. They even tried to portray the fact that GGG got angry was a weakness.. dear me.
Christ but Eddie Hearns is a tube
An absolute slimeball.
He is good at what he does though!
I don't mind Eddie Hearn. It's the business he is in. I like to listen to him and he takes the piss out of himself a good bit on the interviews with Kugan Cassius. Who else is better outside of America?
Quote from: JimStynes on September 11, 2016, 08:47:58 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 11, 2016, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: ziggy90 on September 11, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 11, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Brook is some fighter and fair dues to him. GGG is an absolute beast and would have caused serious damage if that had went any further. Brook landed that upper cut and a combo in the second, Golovkin jesters and you feared the worst for Brook. As has been mentioned, the Sky commentators are full of sh1t. They even tried to portray the fact that GGG got angry was a weakness.. dear me.
Christ but Eddie Hearns is a tube
An absolute slimeball.
He is good at what he does though!
I don't mind Eddie Hearn. It's the business he is in. I like to listen to him and he takes the piss out of himself a good bit on the interviews with Kugan Cassius. Who else is better outside of America?
I agree and would argue he is putting on better shows than the Americans are at the minute, selling out arenas up and down the country. He's managed to get some fairly average fighters World Title shots and even World titles, (such as Lee Haskins who fought last night) and he's convinced half of Britain that Anthony Joshua is the new Mohammad Ali. Also to be fair he gets his fighters good money in the process.
I agree he is excellent at his job and I like those interviews with cassius but some of the cards he puts on are pure shite and a lot of them be pay per view too. But his job is to make money and he is rolling in it.
Interesting to see Roy jones jnr saying after round 4 that brook was looking a way out of the fight but suggesting his corner took the heat off him by throwing in the towel instead of brook quitting.
Do you think khan would be keen on a fight after that last night? That's probably further away now! Would love to see that one. GGG would probably beat saunders and Eubank on the one night. Hopefully canelo gets made soon but golden boy will wait for another few years when GGG is on the wane.
Quote from: square_ball on September 11, 2016, 11:37:46 AM
I agree he is excellent at his job and I like those interviews with cassius but some of the cards he puts on are pure shite and a lot of them be pay per view too. But his job is to make money and he is rolling in it.
Interesting to see Roy jones jnr saying after round 4 that brook was looking a way out of the fight but suggesting his corner took the heat off him by throwing in the towel instead of brook quitting.
Do you think khan would be keen on a fight after that last night? That's probably further away now! Would love to see that one. GGG would probably beat saunders and Eubank on the one night. Hopefully canelo gets made soon but golden boy will wait for another few years when GGG is on the wane.
Billy Joe agrees with you. About 40 seconds in....
"Golovkin would destroy me and you on the same night.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJuwAz-ekoQ
Ha! Id say that will be played a few times over if that fight is mads.
Looking forward to seeing the Chocolatito fight. He's very, very special.
Would have loved mayweather to have fought GGG a few years back when there were a few rumours that GGG would go down to a catchweight to fight him. A fighter like mayweather and ward would beat GGG in my opinion. Would be a complete borefest action wise all the same.
Ward maybe but Mayweather wouldnt have a hope against Golovkin.
Golovkin smelt blood early last night and was happy enough eating a few of Brook's punches to land his bombs. Would likely be the same story with Mayweather
Also Golovkin can box, his amateur records speaks for that, not to mention in his unification fight with Lemieux where he didnt throw a hook for the first 4 rounds and proceeded with a total jab fest.
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 11, 2016, 05:54:33 PM
Ward maybe but Mayweather wouldnt have a hope against Golovkin.
Golovkin smelt blood early last night and was happy enough eating a few of Brook's punches to land his bombs. Would likely be the same story with Mayweather
Also Golovkin can box, his amateur records speaks for that, not to mention in his unification fight with Lemieux where he didnt throw a hook for the first 4 rounds and proceeded with a total jab fest.
Disagree. GGG at 154 wouldn't be quite as good. He would struggle with a peak mayweather's movement, speed and accuracy. It would be a borefest and UD on the scorecards. Mayweather would control the pace like he always does. Total p***k but an amazing fighter.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on September 11, 2016, 05:54:33 PM
Ward maybe but Mayweather wouldnt have a hope against Golovkin.
Golovkin smelt blood early last night and was happy enough eating a few of Brook's punches to land his bombs. Would likely be the same story with Mayweather
Also Golovkin can box, his amateur records speaks for that, not to mention in his unification fight with Lemieux where he didnt throw a hook for the first 4 rounds and proceeded with a total jab fest.
Disagree. GGG at 154 wouldn't be quite as good. He would struggle with a peak mayweather's movement, speed and accuracy. It would be a borefest and UD on the scorecards. Mayweather would control the pace like he always does. Total p***k but an amazing fighter.
Dropping 6 odd pounds wouldn't take much away from GGG. It'll never happen because the Mayweather would never ever take the fight. I agree with Omagh Joe, GGG would hunt him down and hit like he's never been hit before.
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2016, 12:19:45 PM
Looking forward to seeing the Chocolatito fight. He's very, very special.
Just watched it there on box nation. Good scrap but clear winner. He is a class act. Fitness is unreal as well.
GGG had Brook in the first round, could have taken him out but did it on purpose to give a big drama show to let the fight carry on and tell Brook to hit him! Street fight crazy fight GGG is fucked up lol
Yeah and I agree re Mayweather vs GGG. Floyd's punches landing on GGG would feel like butterflies. He'd get walked down. GGG is too big for him.
Quote from: Medic on September 11, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
Yeah and I agree re Mayweather vs GGG. Floyd's punches landing on GGG would feel like butterflies. He'd get walked down. GGG is too big for him.
Again I disagree but it's all about opinions. Mayweather has only been hit clean a handful of times in a 20 year career. He's not a knockout puncher so he wouldn't be looking to knockout GGG. I reckon it would be another point scoring exercise (GGG never moves his head ffs) and then avoiding GGG. I know Canelo isn't the same as GGG, but Mayweather made Canelo look stupid when everyone was saying that he was going to walk him down and use his power to stop Mayweather. GGG hasn't faced anything even close to a fighter of the quality of a prime Mayweather and it would be that style of fighter who would have the best chance against him. We really know very little about GGG, who has he fought that is a top p4p top 10 fighter? An animal at his weight but gets hit too much and needs some bigger names on his CV to go down as a true legend. Not really his fault but he needs to try and get some big fights soon otherwise he is going to be over the hill, he's 34 now!
Quote from: Medic on September 11, 2016, 10:08:55 PM
GGG had Brook in the first round, could have taken him out but did it on purpose to give a big drama show to let the fight carry on and tell Brook to hit him! Street fight crazy fight GGG is fucked up lol
I don't buy this big drama show stuff. GGG is a feckin animal who punches like a mule but he was not eating those punches for fun. His head movement isn't good and he gets caught fairly easily. A slick heavy handed, proper middle weight could cause him problems, there aren't many of those around though and unfortunately you need a full suit of armour on if you go in the ring with him. Eubank Jr would be fun while it lasted.
I'd like to see him clean up at middleweight by taking out Saunders then move up to super middle where he might run into a few guys who can bang just as hard as him....then we will see if he is really the megastar that he is hyped up to be. This might sound a bit premature now but give it a year or 18 months and GGG V Calum Smith could be a cracker!
Canelo was 2 pounds short of 154 vs Floyd.. this is why Mayweather put all those conditions so he can have an advantage, When you go down in weight your body is dehydrated and you don't perform at your best. Exactly that is what he did to Canelo, besides Canelo was green at 21 years of age. Even with all at catchweight, GGG is a different beast than Canelo and he would destroy Mayweather even at 154, he is too strong and punches like a freaking mule. All GGG has to do is cut the ring off and land one punch and Floyd will be in sleepyville!!
To quote Stephen A Smith... "Floyd is a defensively brilliant fighter, one of the greatest I've ever seen. He don't need to get in a ring with triple G. One punch is all it would take, One! Stay away from triple G, stay away from him"
Sure Mayweather is great. But he's boring as fcuk. He dodges fighters in their primes. Pitter Patters his way to victory. He has no power. I'd rather watch paint dry or grass grow.
ETA: 5 Times Floyd Mayweather Got Stunned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ofeqQ_ljCk
Alvarez beats Liam Smith & says GGG is avoiding him!
Liam Smith v Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez: Briton loses WBO light-middleweight title - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/37399818
Vicious body shot.
Canelo and Eubank jnr must the same PR firm! Embarrassing from both camps
Frank warren had a right go at eubank Jr. on boxnation last night.
Mick Conlan has gone pro with Top Rank (Bob Arum's promotion company). That's some move for him. The robbery got him some exposure, even if he had got a gold medal he wouldn't have got a fraction of that and he's benefitted big time from it. Fair play to him, deserves to benefit from it.
Paddy Barnes has also gone pro and signed with MGM (Matt Macklin's promotion company) which Jamie Conlan is also a part of.
Quote from: bridgegael on September 18, 2016, 02:14:30 PM
Frank warren had a right go at eubank Jr. on boxnation last night.
But Eubank Sr is only looking after the welfare of the mere mortals that Jr might have to face if he continues to fight for the British title. ::)
In all seriousness though, junior needs to ditch his dad. He's a very exciting fighter who I believe, if handled in the correct way could cause problems for the very best boxers..... But under his current management team he is going nowhere and soon won't be touched by any promoters.
Ah ffs, Klitchko v Fury 2 is cancelled. Fury injured again apparently. He gave Haye some stick over his sort of thing.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 23, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Ah ffs, Klitchko v Fury 2 is cancelled. Fury injured again apparently. He gave Haye some stick over his sort of thing.
Making a fool of himself
"Tyson has, this week, been declared medically unfit to fight. Medical specialists have advised that the condition is too severe to allow him to participate in the rematch and that he will require treatment before going back into the ring. Tyson will now immediately undergo the treatment he needs to make a full recovery"
That sounds like it could be code for alcohol or drugs related problems. They're being deliberately vague anyway.
History will tell our kids, grandkids etc that Fury was heavyweight champion of the world... This actually belongs in the things that make you go what the feck thread!
Quote from: Hound on September 24, 2016, 07:55:56 AM
"Tyson has, this week, been declared medically unfit to fight. Medical specialists have advised that the condition is too severe to allow him to participate in the rematch and that he will require treatment before going back into the ring. Tyson will now immediately undergo the treatment he needs to make a full recovery"
That sounds like it could be code for alcohol or drugs related problems. They're being deliberately vague anyway.
Yeah was thinking the same myself, not being very specific. The no show at last press conference would indicate it's not an injury this time.
Or mental health problems.
Fury won the quip of the press conference anyway "You couldn't knock a w**k out mate"😊
Quote from: JimStynes on September 24, 2016, 10:11:52 AM
Or mental health problems.
For me this is what's wrong!! Dealing with being a champ has tipped him over the edge! As he was a little loco anyways
Quote from: JoG2 on September 24, 2016, 08:45:50 AM
History will tell our kids, grandkids etc that Fury was heavyweight champion of the world... This actually belongs in the things that make you go what the feck thread!
Loathe as I am to defend Fury, he won his World title by going to Germany and beating a bona fide champ in Klitschko.. there have been many worse world champs than him. The boy Joshua beat, Charles Martin?? is one that immediately springs to mind.
He's still a horrible human being though..
Fair play to Crolla, but was just outclassed by a top fighter in Linares. 2 great warrior's.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 24, 2016, 11:48:38 PM
Fair play to Crolla, but was just outclassed by a top fighter in Linares. 2 great warrior's.
Great fight. Linares is top class. Fair play to Crolla for putting it up to him.
Talk of a rematch! There is no way I can ever see crolla beating linares. Linares is different class to him. Was a good fight, but rematch is pointless
Quote from: Boycey on September 24, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 24, 2016, 08:45:50 AM
History will tell our kids, grandkids etc that Fury was heavyweight champion of the world... This actually belongs in the things that make you go what the feck thread!
Loathe as I am to defend Fury, he won his World title by going to Germany and beating a bona fide champ in Klitschko.. there have been many worse world champs than him. The boy Joshua beat, Charles Martin?? is one that immediately springs to mind.
He's still a horrible human being though..
I think Fury will go down as one of the worst World Champions about. Klitschko hasn't been properly challenged in years and Fury is a complete clown so it's easy to see why he took hjs eye off the ball on one occasion.
It's nothing compared to Lewis' achievements in my opinion!
Quote from: bridgegael on September 24, 2016, 11:51:56 PM
Talk of a rematch! There is no way I can ever see crolla beating linares. Linares is different class to him. Was a good fight, but rematch is pointless
I'd agree. Crolla just doesn't seem to have the power to hurt Linares
Cracking fight but sky would sicken your hole. The card that had 6 in it was the most accurate in my book.
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Cracking fight but sky would sicken your hole. The card that had 6 in it was the most accurate in my book.
To be fair, Paulie Malinaggi had 6 in it on his card. His analysis is superb and the only one worth listening too. Linares won pulling up in the end, after round six when Crolla was severely rocked Linares knew he had the fight won.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 25, 2016, 12:26:48 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
Cracking fight but sky would sicken your hole. The card that had 6 in it was the most accurate in my book.
To be fair, Paulie Malinaggi had 6 in it on his card. His analysis is superb and the only one worth listening too. Linares won pulling up in the end, after round six when Crolla was severely rocked Linares knew he had the fight won.
He did but was subsequently cut off. Listening to any of Nelson, Smith, Froch or Moore (who admittedly said it was 3 or 4 in it for him) you'd think it had been an extremely close fight between two evenly matched boxers.
It was by no means a pummeling but it was a clear victory by a considerable distance to a faster, tidier, slicker and just all round better boxer.
Any jab crolla landed sky commentators were creaming themselves. They need to sort out the commentary because it is getting ridiculously biased lately. At least Paulie calls it as he sees it but they dont want to hear that their boxer is doing shit so usually cut him off.
What is the story with Fury right enough?
Badly advised? Or just a total disgrace of a professional athlete?
Quote from: NAG1 on September 26, 2016, 11:08:35 AM
What is the story with Fury right enough?
Badly advised? Or just a total disgrace of a professional athlete?
I'm not sure you can call anyone who becomes heavyweight champion of the world a disgrace in terms of their athleticism (Fury certainly tests that hypothesis though).
I genuinely think the man is just a lunatic. Doesn't care. Some of the interviews he's done with the likes of Donald McRae are eye opening shit his depression etc.
Really enjoyed the Crolla fight. I watched it in a bar without having to listen too much to the sky pundits. after 6 i would have said it was level. Linares finished the fight better though and i have to say i would have agreed with the 115 - 113 card. it's amazing the difference of opinions while watching a fight though.
Crolla landed some cracking left hooks to the body.
I wouldnt mind seeing them fight again.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 26, 2016, 11:08:35 AM
What is the story with Fury right enough?
Badly advised? Or just a total disgrace of a professional athlete?
I would imagine he does his own thing though and doesn't really listen too much to the advice of others, bar maybe his uncle. His uncle was giving off about the media tratement Tyson has received since he won the belts, but to be honest it is all his own fault with the non-pc stuff he spouts. As for not fighting Klitschko twice, he made a big song and dance regarding Haye and about how he would never back out of a fight no matter how badly injured he was, yet he has done it twice now. I said to a boy in work a few weeks back that this rematch wouldn't happen, the whole charade about the car breaking down showed him up for the tube he is.
It's coke
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3815978/Tyson-Fury-notified-failed-test-cocaine-random-urine-sample-pulling-Wladimir-Klitschko-fight.html
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 30, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
It's coke
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3815978/Tyson-Fury-notified-failed-test-cocaine-random-urine-sample-pulling-Wladimir-Klitschko-fight.html
Dickhead!!!
Quote from: screenexile on September 30, 2016, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 30, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
It's coke
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3815978/Tyson-Fury-notified-failed-test-cocaine-random-urine-sample-pulling-Wladimir-Klitschko-fight.html
d**khead!!!
Surely this surprises nobody? I'd be shocked if that luder *wasn't* on something 'recreational'.
Was showing a lad a work Juddah v Tszyu there. Feck it had to be one of the funniest knockdowns ever
Terrible news from Scotland with the death of Mike Towell
RIP
Only just read that. Talk of headaches leading up to the fight. Rip. I feel for the opponent too. You wouldn't feel too good after that.
Anybody watch the cleverley fight? Braemar probably ahead on the cards but quit after round 5 with a broken elbow. Really strange ending.
"Boxing is the saddest thing I ever took part in, all a pile of shit, I'm the greatest, & I'm also retired, so go suck a dick, happy days :D :D :D"
Tyson Fury
Is it real or a windup?
Typical noise-generating attention-seeking from someone of his ..er.. background.
Quote from: square_ball on October 01, 2016, 10:45:55 PM
Anybody watch the cleverley fight? Braemar probably ahead on the cards but quit after round 5 with a broken elbow. Really strange ending.
Yeah i watched it. Cleverley seemed to throw punches by the plenty that wouldnt have hurt a child. Was very surprised Braemar quit.
Panic over lads he's out of retirement already!
Not much sympathy for a man suffering from mental illness in this thread. This isn't something new with Fury, he's been battling the demons for a long time and his outbursts (and most likely his cocaine abuse) are symptomatic of this. I wouldn't be berating the man just yet and listening to a few comments from his close friends this week, he seems to be in a fairly dark place. I hope he can sort himself out and get back in action next year, as without him the division is much less interesting and whoever holds his titles will always have a bit of an asterix against their name.
You can have demons and mental illness but still be a ****!
Quote from: ludermor on October 04, 2016, 03:58:18 PM
You can have demons and mental illness but still be a ****!
Fair enough - but it depends how much of his media persona is due to his mental state. Most people with a mental illness don't have to deal with the level of media scrutiny that comes with being heavyweight champion of the world.
I know people who know him through boxing circles and they have nothing but good things to say about him. He has visited lots of the local boxing clubs here and apparently didn't act like some celebrity dickhead and took lots of time to talk and work with the kids in the club. He's a bit of a header but the media persona is very likely different to his normal one.
Interesting interview with Fury. Clearly not in the best frame of mind!
http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/tyson-fury-boxing-champ-opens-up-about-drug-use-w443250
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 04, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
Interesting interview with Fury. Clearly not in the best frame of mind!
http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/tyson-fury-boxing-champ-opens-up-about-drug-use-w443250
He's not helping himself much is he?
http://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/tyson-fury-drops-big-hint-he-could-star-in-im-a-celebrity/90580 (http://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/tyson-fury-drops-big-hint-he-could-star-in-im-a-celebrity/90580)
Bellew wins 1st Cruiserweight defence handily. The afters with David Haye was hilarious! Haye is a bit of a fraud.
Haye would take care of Bellew quite easily I think. Hard to warm to Bellew.
I thought Bellows actions were just embarrassing tonight. There's no real beef between those two boxers and pretending there is so he can bluff his way back on to pay per view like his borefest v Nathan Cleverly is as fraudulent as anything he's accusing Haye of. Haye would spark him out inside two rounds.
Haye is a bit of a tube but I'd like to see him put Bellew to sleep after that shite tonight. Jumping out of the ring like that is WWE style stuff.
Have just watched fight. Sky completely ignoring that the beginning of the end for Flores came from one of the most blatant low blows you could ever see. Square in the balls.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 15, 2016, 11:27:13 PM
Haye is a bit of a tube but I'd like to see him put Bellew to sleep after that shite tonight. Jumping out of the ring like that is WWE style stuff.
Also he called him Sponge Bob and he clearly meant Sideshow Bob I think.
Yup, came across as a bit thick alright. He's right about Haye's comeback opponents being pathetic though so it's impossible to know where Hate really is or what he has left. Peak Hate would batter him inside two I think.
Haye has fought a few bums, which is understandable given the time he was out.
But Bellew is a tool, embarassing watching a champion trying to chase a fight as he knows he will only get a big pay day from fighting Haye. No way Hearn will let it happen at HW either, but that doesn't matter as Haye will clobber him inside 4 rounds. Bellew ran away from the LH division to a division with very little talent in it. His last two fights have been against poor fighters yet in each he was taking shots that a decent fighter would have put him away with. Laughed when he spouted about Spongebob instead of Sideshow Bob, what a plonker.
Big Belfast bouts tonight... thought Barnes looked a bit nervous during the stare after the weigh in!!
Should be easy enough wins but ya never know
Should have been easy for him in the olympics too!!
Any links for the Barnes fight??
Well that was bizarre...
Quote from: Boycey on November 05, 2016, 10:21:19 PM
Well that was bizarre...
First time I've seen that Boycey! Lunacy from Barnes opponent
WTF
Quote from: JoG2 on November 05, 2016, 10:28:05 PM
Quote from: Boycey on November 05, 2016, 10:21:19 PM
Well that was bizarre...
First time I've seen that Boycey! Lunacy from Barnes opponent
Me too didn't even know it was a rule? I wonder was he pissed over what happened before that. I thought he half went out through the ropes and the ref let Barnes box on as he was getting back in.
Danny Garcia V Thurman is going to be some scrap!
The big one this weekend! Will definitely set the alarm for this one. I fancy ward on points.
Quote from: JimStynes on November 15, 2016, 11:02:13 PM
The big one this weekend! Will definitely set the alarm for this one. I fancy ward on points.
Can't wait, been looking forward to this one for a long time and still am shocked that it was actually made. I would love Kovalev to win but if I had to put money on it then it would have to go on a Ward points victory.
Yeah Im with you nrico would like to see Kovalev win it
Hopefully its a great scrap, tho havent really heard much talk about it.... Ward smaller and fairly inactive the past while, when did he actually fight anyone last? But then Kovalev struggled against a boxer last time out....
PPV isnt it?.... Dont be afraid to post any decent stream you come by on here ;)
It's not a ppv just on normal sky.
Ward will have fought four times in 17 months after Saturday. Pretty active since he sorted all his management troubles.
Yea, Ward fought in March and August this year.
It shows how much the shine of boxing has waned in recent years when this fight isn't getting more coverage. Potential to be an all time classic between two genuinely great fighters of their era.
Can't wait
Yeah he did in fairness but where they any good? Esp that last guy,... the purse split was 95-5 in Wards favour. Yer man got 20K or something like that... WTF.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 18, 2016, 04:26:40 AM
Yeah he did in fairness but where they any good? Esp that last guy,... the purse split was 95-5 in Wards favour. Yer man got 20K or something like that... WTF.
It was a tune up fight. This weekend's fight was agreed on proviso they would each come through a tune up in the summer.
Poor decision in the Cummings fight. Not sure where he goes from here think he's well short of elite level. I think that's Shane McGuigans first defeat as a trainer?
He won that terrible decision but he ain't fighting near what he's capable of... Hard to know why
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2016, 06:26:52 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 18, 2016, 04:26:40 AM
Yeah he did in fairness but where they any good? Esp that last guy,... the purse split was 95-5 in Wards favour. Yer man got 20K or something like that... WTF.
It was a tune up fight. This weekend's fight was agreed on proviso they would each come through a tune up in the summer.
Tune up or not that degree of mismatch should be over in a few rounds... in fairness a similar argument could be made for Kovalev's last fight.
Anyway PPV in the states :( dicks
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2016, 08:32:39 PM
He won that terrible decision but he ain't fighting near what he's capable of... Hard to know why
Yeah Barry McGuigan wasn't happy with him afterwards regardless of the bad decision. Said he's brilliant in sparring but not producing it when it matters.
Quote from: square_ball on November 18, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2016, 08:32:39 PM
He won that terrible decision but he ain't fighting near what he's capable of... Hard to know why
Yeah Barry McGuigan wasn't happy with him afterwards regardless of the bad decision. Said he's brilliant in sparring but not producing it when it matters.
Barry being completely honest I've heard more about this a few years ago, plenty potential but not bringing home the bacon.... frustration I'm sure but this lads needs to commit to the cause
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2016, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 18, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2016, 08:32:39 PM
He won that terrible decision but he ain't fighting near what he's capable of... Hard to know why
Yeah Barry McGuigan wasn't happy with him afterwards regardless of the bad decision. Said he's brilliant in sparring but not producing it when it matters.
Barry being completely honest I've heard more about this a few years ago, plenty potential but not bringing home the bacon.... frustration I'm sure but this lads needs to commit to the cause
He's totally committed but once in the ring just aint cutting loose. He does put in the work training and all that...
Haven't looked forward to a fight as much in a long time as I am for this Ward Kovalev fight tonight. Both guys are genuinely top drawer but a question mark or two over Wards recent opponents and the fact that he's stepping up makes it even more intriguing. Still think Ward is too slick and will win on points but hanging on a bit in the last few rounds.
Did any of you read Carl Froch column on his right with Ward? He is genuinely deluded! He said if the fight was over 15 he could have stopped him and didn't understand how people said he was outclassed.
On a side note I see Sky got rid of Glenn McCrory. Disappointing as I thought he was one of the better pundits on sky.
Quote from: square_ball on November 19, 2016, 10:05:41 AM
Did any of you read Carl Froch column on his right with Ward? He is genuinely deluded! He said if the fight was over 15 he could have stopped him and didn't understand how people said he was outclassed.
On a side note I see Sky got rid of Glenn McCrory. Disappointing as I thought he was one of the better pundits on sky.
I thought Froch was fairly honest about that fight, he acknowledged that he barely laid a glove on him for most of the fight and knew he had lost it. Froch's strength was always coming on strong late on in a fight and I'm sure he felt that he was just beginning to catch up with Ward in the last two rounds so obviously he'd think that he would be gaining the advantage if the fight went on. I do agree that he talks an awful pile of nonsense but on this occasion I thought it was a decent enough analysis.
Yeah majority of it was grand but just the fact that he couldn't resist bigging himself up at some stage of the article. You'd like to think there would be a degree of humility now he has retired but I guess it's a boxers physchy not to be.
George Groves was impressive enough last night though read there that his opponent is in hospital! Corner probably should have thrown in the towel as he was getting hit a lot without returning much in the last few rounds.
Quote from: square_ball on November 19, 2016, 11:15:50 AM
Yeah majority of it was grand but just the fact that he couldn't resist bigging himself up at some stage of the article. You'd like to think there would be a degree of humility now he has retired but I guess it's a boxers physchy not to be.
George Groves was impressive enough last night though read there that his opponent is in hospital! Corner probably should have thrown in the towel as he was getting hit a lot without returning much in the last few rounds.
Yeah I think Froch struggles with the fact that he is no longer relevant, his comments to GGG show how he tries to force his way into the limelight. Groves looked good last night, his punches looked very accurate and powerful but most importantly he looked strong for the full 12 rounds which has been a criticism of him in the past.
What time is ring walk expected?
Froch is a total shite talker and I would like to add a shite boxer. Id rather watch Ward box, and that's saying something.
I could forgive a boxer for talking shite while he is still active, it can all be put down all a bit of bravado to raise his profile etc. But when hes retired and talking about comebacks to sort out the current crop it shows he's nothing only a wally.
Golovkin summed it up nicely for me "Your a clown who talks to much"
Quote from: longballin on November 19, 2016, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2016, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 18, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: longballin on November 18, 2016, 08:32:39 PM
He won that terrible decision but he ain't fighting near what he's capable of... Hard to know why
Yeah Barry McGuigan wasn't happy with him afterwards regardless of the bad decision. Said he's brilliant in sparring but not producing it when it matters.
Barry being completely honest I've heard more about this a few years ago, plenty potential but not bringing home the bacon.... frustration I'm sure but this lads needs to commit to the cause
He's totally committed but once in the ring just aint cutting loose. He does put in the work training and all that...
Absolutely committed to his trade but listening to Barry last night he sounds like he is a great gym boxer. He is no better than European level at best, a level I think is below British ironically, he lacks power and movement in the ring and doesn't have the killer instinct which was evident when he has his man on the ring last night. He loves a brawl but that doesn't always get you the win evidence being the meli fight where in my opinion he was lucky to get the draw, Shane Mc guigan was telling him things in the corner last night and Cummings did not do them during the round. He left himself open to often when firing combinations mittag was fit to counter.
All that being said Conrad won that fight last night I had it a score of 97:94 he did land some of the cleaner shots and was stronger in the final rounds. It was a bad decision and Cummings can feel aggrieved with the result but a measure of the man will be how he comes back from this upset as I fear the cyclone gravy train for him may be nearing an end if he doesn't start producing soon
Anyone watching this? Kovalev is an absolute beast, looks like he can hurt Ward every time he lands.
Yeah. Two great fighters! Ward needs to win the second half here.
Ward recovered well. This will be close!
Looks like Kovalev on points! There is going to have to be a rematch for this one whatever happens. I haven't given Kovalev enough credit for his boxing skills.
f**king ridiculous
Jesus. I didn't agree with that.
3 American judges ::)
I had Ward by two rounds. I didn't think Kovalev won any of the last 6 rounds. Definite rematch though!
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 20, 2016, 05:42:31 AM
I had Ward by two rounds. I didn't think Kovalev won any of the last 6 rounds. Definite rematch though!
You give R10 to Ward?
Could have went either way. Ward for me shaded it and I had money on kovalev. Has to be a rematch to settle it.
I thought it was very close as well but Kovalev won by one or two rounds for me. The 10-8 round being the main difference. 3 American judges is a joke though. Also, I love listening to Roy Jones Jnr anytime he is commentating. Great to see two genuine great fighters actually fighting! Hopefully they do it again.
Ward is shite to watch.
His gameplan tonight was basically counter with a grab, then sneak a punch to the ribs when breaking away, maybe throw in a featherweight jab every so often. If you score those crappy little shots the same as Kovalevs clean hard punches you need your head examined.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 20, 2016, 05:59:11 AM
Ward is shite to watch.
His gameplan tonight was basically counter with a grab, then sneak a punch to the ribs when breaking away, maybe throw in a featherweight jab every so often. If you score those crappy little shots the same as Kovalevs clean hard punches you need your head examined.
How many clean hard punches did he actually land? Granted, when he landed he hurt Ward but barely landed another after he dropped Ward in round 2. For me, Ward bossed the second half if the fight and although I wouldn't have argued with a Kovalev win as it was very close, I had Ward up by two. The work that Ward does as counters are an art in themselves and shouldn't be discounted. Boxing isn't just about who hits the hardest and landing a couple of big shots isn't enough to win you a fight on points.
Watch the Darleys Perez fight beforehand if you want to see proper dodgy judging!
Kovalev won five of the first six rounds and had a 10-8 in there too. Another shitty boxing decision.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 20, 2016, 09:28:39 AM
Kovalev won five of the first six rounds and had a 10-8 in there too. Another shitty boxing decision.
He definitely didn't win the 3rd or 5th.
He didn't win the 3rd, 4th or 5th and very few after that.
Contrary to previous opinion, I love watching ward work. His movement is so fluid and defence tactically excellent.
I had ward by a round overall.
Have just watched without knowing result and had it 115-114 to kovalev. Scored the 4th and 5th a 10-10.
Two judges gave Ward the 12th, which was what won him the fight in the end. Thought that was clearly, but not comfortably, kovalev's.
Don't think it's as disgraceful a decision as some are making out as the drawn rounds I gave could be scored either way. I hate this insistence on scoring a 10-9 when there's no clear winner of a round.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 20, 2016, 06:28:47 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 20, 2016, 05:59:11 AM
Ward is shite to watch.
His gameplan tonight was basically counter with a grab, then sneak a punch to the ribs when breaking away, maybe throw in a featherweight jab every so often. If you score those crappy little shots the same as Kovalevs clean hard punches you need your head examined.
How many clean hard punches did he actually land? Granted, when he landed he hurt Ward but barely landed another after he dropped Ward in round 2. For me, Ward bossed the second half if the fight and although I wouldn't have argued with a Kovalev win as it was very close, I had Ward up by two. The work that Ward does as counters are an art in themselves and shouldn't be discounted. Boxing isn't just about who hits the hardest and landing a couple of big shots isn't enough to win you a fight on points.
Watch the Darleys Perez fight beforehand if you want to see proper dodgy judging!
Can't disagree with your assessment 100% on the money
Chris Eubank Junior: "Did they really just give that fight to Andre Ward? Well if Trump can win the presidency then anything is possible these days #KovalevWard"
Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward Post Fight Analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKr0VhgDGHw
Ward vs Kovalev (post fight thoughts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqlHqHsGzmc
Andre Ward vs Sergey Kovalev Reaction Live post Fight (I had 115-112 Kov) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB-WzV10e98
Andre Ward Beats Sergey Kovalev Reaction! ROBBERY! (HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Def6Kt7jiA0
Sergey kovalev ROBBED !!!!!!!!!! AND WARD KNOWS IT... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCyMjdISz1A
Kovalev vs Ward Controversy or Robbery? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VElrzzUE36o
Kovalev vs. Ward RANDOM REACTIONS From Boxing Fraternity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iin4Z70_mwc
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on November 20, 2016, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 20, 2016, 06:28:47 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 20, 2016, 05:59:11 AM
Ward is shite to watch.
His gameplan tonight was basically counter with a grab, then sneak a punch to the ribs when breaking away, maybe throw in a featherweight jab every so often. If you score those crappy little shots the same as Kovalevs clean hard punches you need your head examined.
How many clean hard punches did he actually land? Granted, when he landed he hurt Ward but barely landed another after he dropped Ward in round 2. For me, Ward bossed the second half if the fight and although I wouldn't have argued with a Kovalev win as it was very close, I had Ward up by two. The work that Ward does as counters are an art in themselves and shouldn't be discounted. Boxing isn't just about who hits the hardest and landing a couple of big shots isn't enough to win you a fight on points.
Watch the Darleys Perez fight beforehand if you want to see proper dodgy judging!
Can't disagree with your assessment 100% on the money
Alright fair enough Ive calmed down, rewatched the fight, tried to see it from Ward's perspective read a few opinions from both sides of the fence and......
WHAT THE f**k sort of a decision was that. KOVALEV WAS STRAIGHT UP ROBBED!
That fight was over by R6. Ward fought his fight and won more of the later rounds granted but he won them by default, he won them because Kovalev was tired and saving his energy down the stretch to last the distance and to put in a few big rounds to reassert his dominance and seal the points victory. The rounds which sealed the deal where 10 and 12. He won those rounds clearly and how many was he awarded on the cards?..... 1 out of 6....Disgraceful!
I already asked someone that said he had Ward winning all of the last 6 rounds how they had him winning 10? Add 12 to that! Which actually was even more conclusive. On a side note it was rather bizarre move of Kovalev to start the body shots in R12 but he caught Ward real well with one of them and Ward was actually running and hanging on for the rest of the fight.
BTW the fight was rubbish thanks to Ward
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 20, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
He didn't win the 3rd, 4th or 5th and very few after that.
Contrary to previous opinion, I love watching ward work. His movement is so fluid and defence tactically excellent.
I had ward by a round overall.
Despite what compubox says....
Ward Fluid??? What are you on about??? Have you actually watched him box? He's a case of counter with a rush and grab and then wrestle.
How does he expect to score with those tactics? And more to the point how could anyway could any judge deem him to be scoring
You're talking out of your hole.
Lomachenko-Walters this weekend. Should be good.
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2016, 06:08:41 AM
You're talking out of your hole.
Lomachenko-Walters this weekend. Should be good.
Ah well then, I wish you could have explained it so simply earlier, I therefore must be wrong.
Tho that should be a good fight yes
You asked about Compubox. Compubox doesn't score rounds, judges do. It's not amateur boxing. The decision came about as a result of the the fine margins of boxing. Nothing to do with a homer decision. I had kovalev by one with two drawn rounds. Anyone sees those two rounds for ward and you have ward by one. If you see them for kovalev, he wins by three.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 22, 2016, 05:36:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 20, 2016, 09:59:26 AM
He didn't win the 3rd, 4th or 5th and very few after that.
Contrary to previous opinion, I love watching ward work. His movement is so fluid and defence tactically excellent.
I had ward by a round overall.
Despite what compubox says....
Ward Fluid??? What are you on about??? Have you actually watched him box? He's a case of counter with a rush and grab and then wrestle.
How does he expect to score with those tactics? And more to the point how could anyway could any judge deem him to be scoring
Ah come on. I can see how someone might score it to Kovalev as I had a few rounds very close and I understand you may not like Wards style but your analysis of Ward there is utter nonsense. Boxing is more than just letting off big shots. Ward forced Kovalev to miss time and again whilst picking him off to the body. Did you expect him to stand toe to toe with Kovalev?? He worked out the most effective way to win the fight and carried it out.
Paulie Malinaggi is someone who I think normally calls thing pretty well and he actually had Ward up by 4.
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2016, 01:23:12 PM
Have just watched without knowing result and had it 115-114 to kovalev. Scored the 4th and 5th a 10-10.
I gave ward the 4th and 5th but had the last round 10-10
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 22, 2016, 06:16:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2016, 06:08:41 AM
You're talking out of your hole.
Lomachenko-Walters this weekend. Should be good.
Ah well then, I wish you could have explained it so simply earlier, I therefore must be wrong.
Tho that should be a good fight yes
You haven't seen much boxing and definitely haven't boxed
There were a lot of 10/10 rounds in that fight to be honest. Hopefully Kovalevs management use their head for the rematch and get three neutral judges this time. At best for Ward, that fight was a draw.
Roy Jones Junior: I love ward but kovalev won https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWdNZcvGXuU
Andre Ward vs Sergey Kovalev | Review by Antonio Tarver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwbUDOHdMsI
Larry Merchant - Kovalev Won Fight Easy Ward Did Not Win EsNews Boxing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx78p6bS3uk
Jim Lampley: 'MY INSTINCT says Kovalev won it!!' | Z-BoxingNews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQgL0MXLF0
Vasil Lomachenko - Kovalev Beat Andre Ward https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4og2P5TJDv0
Ward Vs Kovalev opinion/review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q282_cS2jsQ
Sergey Kovalev gets screwed by 3 bias American Judges!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KM47glDU2o
The latest robbery! Ward vs Kovalev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEawWzNWzk
GOLOVKIN'S TRAINER ABEL SANCHEZ REACTS TO ANDRE WARD'S WIN OVER KOVALEV; HAD IT 1 POINT FOR KOVALEV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnPN8SXgMTw
Kovalev vs. Ward Robbery JUSTIFIED By BOXINGSCENE??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhlmo96XC9Y
Kovalev vs Ward Full Fight!!!! POST FIGHT thoughts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UniZX_6LfM
Quote from: Medic on November 24, 2016, 11:16:32 AM
Roy Jones Junior: I love ward but kovalev won https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWdNZcvGXuU
Andre Ward vs Sergey Kovalev | Review by Antonio Tarver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwbUDOHdMsI
Larry Merchant - Kovalev Won Fight Easy Ward Did Not Win EsNews Boxing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx78p6bS3uk
Jim Lampley: 'MY INSTINCT says Kovalev won it!!' | Z-BoxingNews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQgL0MXLF0
Vasil Lomachenko - Kovalev Beat Andre Ward https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4og2P5TJDv0
Ward Vs Kovalev opinion/review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q282_cS2jsQ
Sergey Kovalev gets screwed by 3 bias American Judges!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KM47glDU2o
The latest robbery! Ward vs Kovalev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEawWzNWzk
GOLOVKIN'S TRAINER ABEL SANCHEZ REACTS TO ANDRE WARD'S WIN OVER KOVALEV; HAD IT 1 POINT FOR KOVALEV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnPN8SXgMTw
Kovalev vs. Ward Robbery JUSTIFIED By BOXINGSCENE??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhlmo96XC9Y
Kovalev vs Ward Full Fight!!!! POST FIGHT thoughts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UniZX_6LfM
Ward isn't very well liked by the US media and rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way with regards his contract dispute and legal action against his former promoter. But that aside, the comments range from ROBBERY!!!! to Ward lost by one round to Kovalev won "easy" to "my instinct says". Now, I understand none of the chosen clips suggest Ward won, and you chose the clips well to serve your point, but the reality is that the fight was very close - it was not a robbery and Kovalev did not win easily - that analysis is biased! It was one or two rounds either way and in my view it was Ward who did the most in the latter half of the fight. Paulie Malinaggi, Matthew Macklin, Kostyra Tszyu and quite a few others agree - but I cant be bothered looking for youtube clips.
Haye vs Bellew announced for March 4th.
Quote from: gallsman on November 25, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
Haye vs Bellew announced for March 4th.
@ heavyweight apparently. Be a decent enough scrap I'd say. Haye probably the classier (boxing wise) than Bellew, but if Bellew hits him flush, could be game over
Haye wins this all day long. Would be surprised if it goes past three rounds. Bellew will come to the same fate as maccerinelli.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 25, 2016, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 25, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
Haye vs Bellew announced for March 4th.
@ heavyweight apparently. Be a decent enough scrap I'd say. Haye probably the classier (boxing wise) than Bellew, but if Bellew hits him flush, could be game over
Easy fight for Haye. I'm not sure why you think Bellew has the capacity to knock him out - Haye has been in with much bigger and more powerful men
PPV ;D. any man that pays to watch that should be beat with balls of his own dung...
Prepare for 3 months of Bellew talking absolute nonsense. Just heard him on the radio and he is hard to listen to when he's in trash talk mode. Actually don't mind him as a pundit the few times I've heard him. Easy fight for Haye IMO.
This is a sham fight for two guys milking a pay day. Haye wins easy though it does nothing for his credibility!
Bellew is the biggest slabber in boxing. I heard him saying how he will knock Haye out if he connects flush, as Haye has been hurt a lot before. Sohe has come out with two bullshit comments, as his power is nothing special (most undeserved nickname ever) and Haye isn't chubby or has hardly ever been in bother.
I don't mind Bellew, he's a journeyman pro who's managed to get the best possible payday for himself through his trash talk. It's hardly the fight Haye dreamt of when he made his comeback? What does he gain from it? If he wins he's just beaten a bum and if he loses he's just been beaten by a bum..
Come on big Tony...
Had a giggle at Haye's video. Tony "the Bellend" Bellew.
What time is this Katie Taylor fight expected to start?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2016, 07:51:38 PM
What time is this Katie Taylor fight expected to start?
Just after 10 I believe.
Edit: On next actually!
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 26, 2016, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2016, 07:51:38 PM
What time is this Katie Taylor fight expected to start?
Just after 10 I believe.
Edit: On next actually!
Turned it on when it was over FFS.
Destroyed that fighter. Really want to see her light up the pro's. She has the style to get people to tune in.
very impressive from katie. hopefully she goes from strength to strength in pro ranks.
Comes across as a really nice girl.....fair play.....if only she had of clipped your man on the late late the other week.....
Good start to the pro ranks for Taylor, a serious operator.
On another note, I see nick Blackwell is back in hospital having surgery on his brain, he got injured during a sparring session. Crazy decision from him and those that were there for it too.
Quote from: bridgegael on November 26, 2016, 10:24:34 PM
Good start to the pro ranks for Taylor, a serious operator.
On another note, I see nick Blackwell is back in hospital having surgery on his brain, he got injured during a sparring session. Crazy decision from him and those that were there for it too.
He was given a trainers licence but seems he couldn't help himself. Stupid cnut.
Quote from: bridgegael on November 26, 2016, 10:24:34 PM
Good start to the pro ranks for Taylor, a serious operator.
On another note, I see nick Blackwell is back in hospital having surgery on his brain, he got injured during a sparring session. Crazy decision from him and those that were there for it too.
Katie was phenomenal as I had expected her to be. She seems to have left all the crap from her last year as an amateur behind her, seems to be back in a really good place. Great to see.
I read that about Blackwell I really hope he is ok and gets on the mend soon this is the other side of boxing, a cruel sport at times too.
Lomachenko was class last night but I was very disappointed with your man Walters. I had only seen bit and pieces of him and he was made to look very ordinary and showed no heart whatsoever. A top level fighter should never quit unless he was getting beat up or his corner pull him out of the fight. it was another no man moment. Easy to say that while sitting watching a fight all the same. Lomachenko looks like a nightmare to try and fight.
He was getting battered and had absolutely no answer for what was facing. Easy to criticise someone for not having heart but I imagine it's a hell of a lot easier to decide you don't want any more of it when getting the head chewed up with no idea how you might go about winning the fight.
I just seen that story about Nick Blackwell! What the hell was he playing at? Or more to the point what were the people around him doing? Crazy stuff to be at.
Quote from: square_ball on November 27, 2016, 03:41:37 PM
I just seen that story about Nick Blackwell! What the hell was he playing at? Or more to the point what were the people around him doing? Crazy stuff to be at.
Just read that. Shocking. Actually moreso from the guy he sparred with. Hope he is ok and has the sense to never do anything like it again.
Quote from: gallsman on November 27, 2016, 02:25:28 PM
He was getting battered and had absolutely no answer for what was facing. Easy to criticise someone for not having heart but I imagine it's a hell of a lot easier to decide you don't want any more of it when getting the head chewed up with no idea how you might go about winning the fight.
As I said early it is easy saying it while sitting watching and any man that has to balls to fight for a living deserves respect. It's just he wasn't getting battered, he hadn't a mark on his face, but more of a boxing lesson. He didn't take any really bad punches and certainly wasnt hurt. I think he realised he was getting outclassed and just gave up to easy for someone who was meant to be a world class fighter. One of Lomavchenko's weaknesses I feel is that he isn't really a heavy puncher and if he is going to go up the weight classes then this might be his one slight flaw. He is amazing to watch though, his speed and movement is phenomenal. Nearly 400 amateur fights and only beat once. Ridiculous.
Have to say i was questioning his p4p rating after only 7 fights
Watched a few rounds, he's very very good he'llactually likely move up the p4p rating.
He also did a similar demolition job on Gary Russell
Serious difference in Ward and Lomachenko ability wise. Lomachenko is a different class.
Walters?
I meant with regards to the shot being spout last week that Ward was pound for pound number 1.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
I meant with regards to the shot being spout last week that Ward was pound for pound number 1.
Calm down, Lomachenko is pure class but he has only had pro 8 pro fights and he lost one of those. He really is a massively talented fighter though. His footwork is just unbelievable.
I see Ring updated their ratings last week, Ward replacing Kovalev at no2, who drops to third.
Lomachenko is at 7 will likely move up tho, you would have to have him ahead of Crawford and Rigodeaux.
On another thought provided Frampton keeps winning is there a chance of him meeting Lomachenko
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Quote from: gallsman on November 27, 2016, 02:25:28 PM
He was getting battered and had absolutely no answer for what was facing. Easy to criticise someone for not having heart but I imagine it's a hell of a lot easier to decide you don't want any more of it when getting the head chewed up with no idea how you might go about winning the fight.
As I said early it is easy saying it while sitting watching and any man that has to balls to fight for a living deserves respect. It's just he wasn't getting battered, he hadn't a mark on his face, but more of a boxing lesson. He didn't take any really bad punches and certainly wasnt hurt. I think he realised he was getting outclassed and just gave up to easy for someone who was meant to be a world class fighter. One of Lomavchenko's weaknesses I feel is that he isn't really a heavy puncher and if he is going to go up the weight classes then this might be his one slight flaw. He is amazing to watch though, his speed and movement is phenomenal. Nearly 400 amateur fights and only beat once. Ridiculous.
What would you rather get a kick from a horse or 100 bee stings. Powers nice but speed and accuracy is lethal.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 28, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
I meant with regards to the shot being spout last week that Ward was pound for pound number 1.
Wise up ffs. Lomachenko is a class operator but he has had eight pro fights. You disagreed with the judges' decision in the Ward-Kovalev last week. Well done. Now get the f**k over it.
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 28, 2016, 09:00:40 PM
Lomachenko is at 7 will likely move up tho, you would have to have him ahead of Crawford and Rigodeaux.
No. No you wouldn't have to at all.
Quote from: gallsman on November 28, 2016, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 28, 2016, 09:00:40 PM
Lomachenko is at 7 will likely move up tho, you would have to have him ahead of Crawford and Rigodeaux.
No. No you wouldn't have to at all.
Perhaps your not aware of common sentence structures for expressing ones opinion?
Rigo v lomenchenko is the talk at a catch weight. Would be very interesting fight one can't miss the other doesn't get hit. Something's gotta give
Is Mc Gregor on the wind up? Buying a southern Californian boxing license €50 would buy one. I don't think he would win an Irish amateur title at any weight from 54-75 kg. I fear this is a wind up as he's bound to know he's not at the level of any middle ranked welterweight out there.
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 01, 2016, 08:29:35 PM
Is Mc Gregor on the wind up? Buying a southern Californian boxing license €50 would buy one. I don't think he would win an Irish amateur title at any weight from 54-75 kg. I fear this is a wind up as he's bound to know he's not at the level of any middle ranked welterweight out there.
I'd say he's quite happy with adding fuel to the fire about a possible fight with Mayweather. Being continually associated with a guy who the greatest of his generation doesn't do brand McGregor any harm whatever. McGregor plays the game very well!
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 01, 2016, 08:29:35 PM
Is Mc Gregor on the wind up? Buying a southern Californian boxing license €50 would buy one. I don't think he would win an Irish amateur title at any weight from 54-75 kg. I fear this is a wind up as he's bound to know he's not at the level of any middle ranked welterweight out there.
He's 100% on the wind up and Mayweather is complicit in it. McGregor would be annihilated in a boxing match by any competitive contestant in the Irish nationals.
Ferne Cotton meets Nigel Benn on BBC1 is good viewing, will presumably be on the iplayer later
David Haye Gets Owned By Tony Bellew On TV Show Very Funny! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yro9MRQ60s
I thought Bellew just looked and sounded like a prize co*k
Very sad news that Alejandro Gonzalez jr, the young guy who put Carl Frampton down twice in the first round and gave him the scare of his life last year, was found dead today. Looks like he was murdered, only 23.
http://www.irish-boxing.com/report-alejandro-gonzalez-jr-found-dead/#
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 09, 2016, 08:34:04 PM
Very sad news that Alejandro Gonzalez jr, the young guy who put Carl Frampton down twice in the first round and gave him the scare of his life last year, was found dead today. Looks like he was murdered, only 23.
http://www.irish-boxing.com/report-alejandro-gonzalez-jr-found-dead/#
Wow!! 23!! Terrible
Terrible news
Absolutely shocking news.
On another note there feels like it's wrong to be watching live boxing at half 8 in the morning.
Katie won easily, the biggest problem is gonna be get enough quality fighters for her?
Chisora and Whyte mightn't be much good but at least they evenly matched and having a go at each other.
Jaysis lads that was great stuff!!
Wasn't expecting that at all a draw and a rematch would be great!
Wasn't it just. After all the prefight ballocks, they put on a hell of a show.
They've earned a headlining rematch and the extra $ they'll surely make
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2016, 11:50:08 PM
Jaysis lads that was great stuff!!
Wasn't expecting that at all a draw and a rematch would be great!
Had Chisora by 1 but it could easily have been 3 points either way.
Best heavyweight bout in years.
That was some brawl. I was a bit surprised Whyte got it, i was thinking draw or Chisora if there was a winner but i haven't a notion ;D
That was a disgrace... that lad hid as best he could to make sure the knock down that would eventually come didn't cause him too much harm!
Hopefully the Klitschko fight is a contest at least. Lucky enough for the fans there were a few decent fights on the undercard because that was a shambles!
At least Joshua will be in the ring with a proper heavyweight now in klitscho, Father Time and near 2 years out of the ring will be big factors in the fight.
Started watching the boxing about two hours late so only finished now. Thoroughly enjoyable card with Burton v Buglioni and Whyte v Chisora particularly exciting. I had Chisora winning as he seemed to land the most consistently punishing shots but wouldn't complain about the result either way. The whole AJ thing is beginning to piss me off though. He has literally fought nobody of any standing and is lauded like he is the worlds greatest athlete. He may go on to be very good but the whole ring interview thing with Klitchko was beyond cringeworthy.
One other thing that has been bugging me for a while is the idea of these "warm up" fights. Pitching lads in against massively inferior opponents is a recipe for disaster. Luke Blackledge, David Allen and Eric Molina (if he had even bothered to engage in a fight) took way too much punishment tonight in fights they were never in a million years going to win. There has to be something done to get more even fights and getting the better fighters fighting each other.
Quote from: bridgegael on December 11, 2016, 12:36:11 AM
At least Joshua will be in the ring with a proper heavyweight now in klitscho, Father Time and near 2 years out of the ring will be big factors in the fight.
He fought Fury a year and two weeks ago.
Yeah meant to say year and a half, it was late.😴
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 11, 2016, 01:51:26 AM
Started watching the boxing about two hours late so only finished now. Thoroughly enjoyable card with Burton v Buglioni and Whyte v Chisora particularly exciting. I had Chisora winning as he seemed to land the most consistently punishing shots but wouldn't complain about the result either way. The whole AJ thing is beginning to piss me off though. He has literally fought nobody of any standing and is lauded like he is the worlds greatest athlete. He may go on to be very good but the whole ring interview thing with Klitchko was beyond cringeworthy.
One other thing that has been bugging me for a while is the idea of these "warm up" fights. Pitching lads in against massively inferior opponents is a recipe for disaster. Luke Blackledge, David Allen and Eric Molina (if he had even bothered to engage in a fight) took way too much punishment tonight in fights they were never in a million years going to win. There has to be something done to get more even fights and getting the better fighters fighting each other.
That's why I stopped watching boxing years ago and am delighted that I've found UFC in recent years to replace it. Two competitive bouts, a heap of one-sided mis-matches, where there was absolutely no doubt about the result. In Molina's last fight he knocked out Adamcek in the 10th, while 7 rounds to 2 down on all scorecards. Adamcek, who had lost 2 of his previous 3 fights, his win coming against an unranked Pole. And this is good enough to get Molina a shot at the Heavyweight World title!! On pay-per-view!
UFC 206 was on BT later the same night. With 205 being the probably best card ever assembled in UFC's history, there was always going to be an "after the Lord Mayor's show" feel about it. This was compounded when the main event got pulled when the champ got injured. And they turned the new main event into an interim title fight to add some glitz. So it's not without it's faults, but when it comes to the fights, they were just fantastic entertainement.
9 fights on BT Sport, and all 18 fighters would have been confident of victory. No mis-matches, no warm-ups, and some absolute corkers of fights. I'd urge any boxing fan to watch all of the Swanson v Choi fight on youtube as an example
This is the myth that people perpetuate about MMA. The Swanson-Choi fight was an absolute cracker, yes. Know what wasn't in it? Good boxing. It was two lads battering away at each other with no defence whatsoever. That's not what people watch boxing for.
Quote from: gallsman on December 12, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
This is the myth that people perpetuate about MMA. The Swanson-Choi fight was an absolute cracker, yes. Know what wasn't in it? Good boxing. It was two lads battering away at each other with no defence whatsoever. That's not what people watch boxing for.
I think your wrong there. Its not what people who know their boxing watch it for, but I'd say its main reason most people who buy those pay per views watch it for. The vast majority of people who tune in don't have a clue about boxing and want to see a tear up.
Quote from: gallsman on December 12, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
This is the myth that people perpetuate about MMA. The Swanson-Choi fight was an absolute cracker, yes. Know what wasn't in it? Good boxing. It was two lads battering away at each other with no defence whatsoever. That's not what people watch boxing for.
Well it's not boxing, it's MMA. Very difficult in MMA to operate a successful defensive gameplan for any length of time, unlike in boxing. But my main point is that fighters fight against lads who are at a similar level. When you get a "pick-em" fight in boxing, you feel special to witness such a rarity!
Although in boxing, I'm not sure too many people watch it for the defensive tactics. The fights of the year are generally the one were two lads are going at it hammer and tongs.
I remember being at a Joe Calzaghe fight in the MEN in Manchester back in his heyday. Defending his WBO world title against some inferior opponent, who didnt land a glove on Joe for 12 rounds. Calzaghe utterly dominant, but never tried to stop his opponent. Jab and run for 12 rounds, scorecards 120-108, 120-108 and 120-108. Snoozefest. Then Joe would moan about why he wasn't more popular!
Quote from: HiMucker on December 12, 2016, 09:41:51 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 12, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
This is the myth that people perpetuate about MMA. The Swanson-Choi fight was an absolute cracker, yes. Know what wasn't in it? Good boxing. It was two lads battering away at each other with no defence whatsoever. That's not what people watch boxing for.
I think your wrong there. Its not what people who know their boxing watch it for, but I'd say its main reason most people who buy those pay per views watch it for. The vast majority of people who tune in don't have a clue about boxing and want to see a tear up.
I agree but the current trend of "warm up" fights and scenarios where someone like Molina (and Breazale before him) get a crack at the heavyweight championship of the world is just madness and someone could get seriously hurt. Pitching the likes of Callum Smith against Luke Blackledge was just dangerous, as was David Allen v Luis Ortiz. The boxers don't have to be top drawer to get a good fight - look at Chisora v Whyte. Both fairly average but produced a proper good contest. Another example is the disregard for weight classes that is creeping in more and more. Its ok for a dominant figure in one weight class to move on...the like of Pacman, Leonard and maybe even Carl Frampton shows that it can be done but moving up for a one big fight such as Brook v GGG and Khan v Canelo and most recently Bellew v Haye are downright dangerous.
Watched a right few hours of this on Saturday night and for the most part i enjoyed it. Callum Smith needs to be fighting at world level and that should have happened about 1 year ago.
Good to see Quigg back in action and i thought he did well. The lad he was fighting seemed to have a chin like granite but eventually the pressure told. Can see him getting a shot at Selby next year.
White and Chisora developed into an entertaining fight! I scored it 1 round to White but you couldnt complain if it went either way. At stages both fighters looked beaten but were able to claw their way back in. Would certainly watch a rematch.
Main event was a joke. Was always gonna be the case. Never big enough for PPV (luckily sportsmania did the business with a top quality stream)! ;D
Chris Eubank Jr to move up to super middle, fight some guy called Renold Quinlan, on PPV on ITV Box Office. So many questions....why move to Super middle when he's been chasing GGG and Billy Joe? Who is Renold Quinlan? And what the fcuk is ITV box office all about? Surely this will barely hit 10k buys! I love my boxing but there's no chance I'm buying this!
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Chris Eubank Jr to move up to super middle, fight some guy called Renold Quinlan, on PPV on ITV Box Office. So many questions....why move to Super middle when he's been chasing GGG and Billy Joe? Who is Renold Quinlan? And what the fcuk is ITV box office all about? Surely this will barely hit 10k buys! I love my boxing but there's no chance I'm buying this!
No chance people will buy this. He's being mismanaged
Quote from: lurganblue on December 14, 2016, 09:09:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Chris Eubank Jr to move up to super middle, fight some guy called Renold Quinlan, on PPV on ITV Box Office. So many questions....why move to Super middle when he's been chasing GGG and Billy Joe? Who is Renold Quinlan? And what the fcuk is ITV box office all about? Surely this will barely hit 10k buys! I love my boxing but there's no chance I'm buying this!
No chance people will buy this. He's being mismanaged
World title shot hard to turn down in fairness, I know he didn't want ggg but not many do. I agree he is being mismanaged by his father but no one can doubt jrs talent. I think if bjs give him a rematchthere would be a different outcome.
The middleweight division is probably the most competitive in boxing maybe that's why he moved up.
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 20, 2016, 08:02:28 PM
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Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Chris Eubank Jr to move up to super middle, fight some guy called Renold Quinlan, on PPV on ITV Box Office. So many questions....why move to Super middle when he's been chasing GGG and Billy Joe? Who is Renold Quinlan? And what the fcuk is ITV box office all about? Surely this will barely hit 10k buys! I love my boxing but there's no chance I'm buying this!
No chance people will buy this. He's being mismanaged
World title shot hard to turn down in fairness, I know he didn't want ggg but not many do. I agree he is being mismanaged by his father but no one can doubt jrs talent. I think if bjs give him a rematchthere would be a different outcome.
The middleweight division is probably the most competitive in boxing maybe that's why he moved up.
I seriously doubt his talent. Hits about as hard as new born baby.
Quote from: Syferus on December 20, 2016, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 20, 2016, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 14, 2016, 09:09:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Chris Eubank Jr to move up to super middle, fight some guy called Renold Quinlan, on PPV on ITV Box Office. So many questions....why move to Super middle when he's been chasing GGG and Billy Joe? Who is Renold Quinlan? And what the fcuk is ITV box office all about? Surely this will barely hit 10k buys! I love my boxing but there's no chance I'm buying this!
No chance people will buy this. He's being mismanaged
World title shot hard to turn down in fairness, I know he didn't want ggg but not many do. I agree he is being mismanaged by his father but no one can doubt jrs talent. I think if bjs give him a rematchthere would be a different outcome.
The middleweight division is probably the most competitive in boxing maybe that's why he moved up.
I seriously doubt his talent. Hits about as hard as new born baby.
Talent is more than power but his record 23wins 18 kos says he hits hard enough. Has speed accuracy movement to boot. The lad is an arrogant p***k and his das worse but he has talent.
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 20, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 20, 2016, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 20, 2016, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 14, 2016, 09:09:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 13, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Chris Eubank Jr to move up to super middle, fight some guy called Renold Quinlan, on PPV on ITV Box Office. So many questions....why move to Super middle when he's been chasing GGG and Billy Joe? Who is Renold Quinlan? And what the fcuk is ITV box office all about? Surely this will barely hit 10k buys! I love my boxing but there's no chance I'm buying this!
No chance people will buy this. He's being mismanaged
World title shot hard to turn down in fairness, I know he didn't want ggg but not many do. I agree he is being mismanaged by his father but no one can doubt jrs talent. I think if bjs give him a rematchthere would be a different outcome.
The middleweight division is probably the most competitive in boxing maybe that's why he moved up.
I seriously doubt his talent. Hits about as hard as new born baby.
Talent is more than power but his record 23wins 18 kos says he hits hard enough. Has speed accuracy movement to boot. The lad is an arrogant p***k and his das worse but he has talent.
He could win one of the alphabet titles at lower weights but the heavier he goes the more his limitations will be exposed imo. Depends on the opponent, but you put him in even with a proper supper middleweight like Andre Ward (I know he's moved up for now) and even without knockout power they'd bully Eubank.
I don't doubt Eubank's talent but I do doubt the ability of his team to get the best out of him and his mentality to actually do what it takes to be a proper champion. He has a range of punches and a crunching uppercut that would trouble most even at middleweight though!
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 20, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I don't doubt Eubank's talent but I do doubt the ability of his team to get the best out of him and his mentality to actually do what it takes to be a proper champion. He has a range of punches and a crunching uppercut that would trouble most even at middleweight though!
For me Eubank jnr is a European champion level boxer, good but not near as good as the elites at mw
Quote from: JoG2 on December 20, 2016, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 20, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I don't doubt Eubank's talent but I do doubt the ability of his team to get the best out of him and his mentality to actually do what it takes to be a proper champion. He has a range of punches and a crunching uppercut that would trouble most even at middleweight though!
For me Eubank jnr is a European champion level boxer, good but not near as good as the elites at mw
He's moved up to super middle, at that division is he really that far away from Badou Jack or James Degale? He'd have to ditch his dad and get a proper trainer but I think he definitely has the talent to be very good.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on December 20, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I don't doubt Eubank's talent but I do doubt the ability of his team to get the best out of him and his mentality to actually do what it takes to be a proper champion. He has a range of punches and a crunching uppercut that would trouble most even at middleweight though!
For me Eubank jnr is a European champion level boxer, good but not near as good as the elites at mw
He's moved up to super middle, at that division is he really that far away from Badou Jack or James Degale? He'd have to ditch his dad and get a proper trainer but I think he definitely has the talent to be very good.
He certainly does have all the talents and I'd be inclined to agree about his team or he has to get a strong person in to guide him in the right direction saying that if Eddie Hearn or frank warren couldn't do it I don't know who can.
As for the assertion that he is European level I disagree what level is BJS he was beat by him yes but started to slow. I'd be interested to know what level you think some of the other top middleweight prospects are if Eubank who is ranked top 5 in every rating going where do you put Cummings Quigley and the likes of Tommy Langford all of who if they met at the minute Eubank would beat?
Eubank has the talent and is tough, but its a joke how he is being managed. He would beat BJS if they fought again and he is the current MW champion.
Frampton fight to be shown live on Sky (not PPV). Amazing considering a dud fight like Joshua's last one was PPV. (i'll be streaming either way)
Quote from: lurganblue on December 21, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Frampton fight to be shown live on Sky (not PPV). Amazing considering a dud fight like Joshua's last one was PPV. (i'll be streaming either way)
Was just giving off about that there now to a boy in work.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 21, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Frampton fight to be shown live on Sky (not PPV). Amazing considering a dud fight like Joshua's last one was PPV. (i'll be streaming either way)
Was just giving off about that there now to a boy in work.
Are you complaining it's not on ppv ? By the way don't think AJ is a dud either not many top class heavyweights out there who tests him from the current crop?
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 22, 2016, 01:04:38 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 21, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Frampton fight to be shown live on Sky (not PPV). Amazing considering a dud fight like Joshua's last one was PPV. (i'll be streaming either way)
Was just giving off about that there now to a boy in work.
Are you complaining it's not on ppv ? By the way don't think AJ is a dud either not many top class heavyweights out there who tests him from the current crop?
In terms of paying for it i dont care whether it's PPV or not cos i wont be paying. What i am comparing though is a top class fight between 2 evenly matched fighters and a dud fight were only one person will win, and how they are marketed. I never said Joshua is a dud. Quite looking forward to his next fight to hopefully finally see what he is made of.
Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 22, 2016, 01:04:38 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 21, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Frampton fight to be shown live on Sky (not PPV). Amazing considering a dud fight like Joshua's last one was PPV. (i'll be streaming either way)
Was just giving off about that there now to a boy in work.
Are you complaining it's not on ppv ? By the way don't think AJ is a dud either not many top class heavyweights out there who tests him from the current crop?
Klitschko, Fury, Ortiz and Wilder all for sure at least test him.
Pulev, Haye and Parker could maybe test him.
Then you have the likes of Stiverne and Dillian Whyte who if at 100% could give a good fight but most likely would not win.
Didn't mention Povetkin as he is drugged to the eyeballs.
Wilder is a donkey. Can bang but has fight nothing but cans.
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Quote from: an léirmheastóir on December 22, 2016, 01:04:38 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 21, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Frampton fight to be shown live on Sky (not PPV). Amazing considering a dud fight like Joshua's last one was PPV. (i'll be streaming either way)
Was just giving off about that there now to a boy in work.
Are you complaining it's not on ppv ? By the way don't think AJ is a dud either not many top class heavyweights out there who tests him from the current crop?
Klitschko, Fury, Ortiz and Wilder all for sure at least test him.
Pulev, Haye and Parker could maybe test him.
Then you have the likes of Stiverne and Dillian Whyte who if at 100% could give a good fight but most likely would not win.
Didn't mention Povetkin as he is drugged to the eyeballs.
All will test him. Fury probably his toughest test depending how he is when he returns. I am not convinced with Parker and my jury's out on wilder he can bang but is very messy and not technically sound. A good straight boxer like Joshua makes short work of him.
Can't count Whyte in as he was knocked out already. Haye and Fury will beat him I think. Klitschko and Ortiz could too but the rest won't get near him.
There is no chance that Haye beats AJ. Apart from the fact that he's not a heavyweight and never was, I suspect he's a patched up shadow of the fighter who dominated the cruiserweight division
He might not be a big heavyweight but a prime Haye would have demolished Joshua. Infinitely superior boxer. The version of Haye we're seeing at the minute might well do the same.
A prime Haye? very possibly. However, I have a feeling that Bellew is going to confirm just how far Haye's abilities have slipped. To be fair to Haye, his shoulder injuries should really have finished his career
Thing is, all Haye has done since he came back is fight cans. Impossible to know what he has.
Quote from: Far East on December 26, 2016, 02:02:46 AM
A prime Haye? very possibly. However, I have a feeling that Bellew is going to confirm just how far Haye's abilities have slipped. To be fair to Haye, his shoulder injuries should really have finished his career
Surely Haye has still too much for Bellew- injuries or not?
IT'S ON !!! Canelo v GGG September 16 2017. The one we have all been waiting for, I for one cannot wait.
Source? Making a fight ten months away would be pretty odd. Loads of time for things to go wrong.
Any version of Haye beats Bellew easily though. Haye was a heavyweight, just not as big as the giants there today. Was Tyson not a HW because he wasn't 6ft6?
Tyson was a freak! I suspect that haye and his team know that he shouldn't be fighting with the considerable damage to his shoulder. He had 4 years of surgeries and therapy and has been handed 2 tin cans and 3 rounds of boxing in this comeback. I reckon the plan was to engineer 1 last payday to top up the pension. Looks like Bellew will do. Don't get me wrong, a prime Haye would dismantle Bellew but I think I'll be proved right., Haye will look like very damaged goods and a fighter with only 3 rounds under his belt in 2 year. Francie is no world beater but i think he's in for a very easy night!
Canelo v Chavez Junior confirmed for Vegas on cinco de mayo.
Catch Weight at 164.5lbs, quite a jump for Canelo but youd imagine he would still have too much for jr
Read that earlier and laughed. Canelo is a joker.
How does J DeGale fair out tonight?
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2017, 10:56:41 PM
Canelo v Chavez Junior confirmed for Vegas on cinco de mayo.
Catch Weight at 164.5lbs, quite a jump for Canelo but youd imagine he would still have too much for jr
Another fight against someone who isn't really a contender. Canelo is becoming a bit of a joke now, you get the impression that his team don't trust him against the top guys in his division and want to milk his earning potential before he has to face someone decent.
Looking forward to degale tonight. He's won me over recently and I would really like to see him unify the division and set up a fight with Callum Smith who I think is the real deal.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 14, 2017, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 13, 2017, 10:56:41 PM
Canelo v Chavez Junior confirmed for Vegas on cinco de mayo.
Catch Weight at 164.5lbs, quite a jump for Canelo but youd imagine he would still have too much for jr
Another fight against someone who isn't really a contender. Canelo is becoming a bit of a joke now, you get the impression that his team don't trust him against the top guys in his division and want to milk his earning potential before he has to face someone decent.
Looking forward to degale tonight. He's won me over recently and I would really like to see him unify the division and set up a fight with Callum Smith who I think is the real deal.
I agree to an extent... this is the biggest money fight that Canelo could make outside of GGG and dela Hoya is maximising his cash cow before that fight, that is obvious. However I think we may get to see a different side of Canelo in this fight, he's not going to be the bull in a china shop that he has been lately against a guy who is bigger and we may actually see him box a little. Of course it depends which Chavez Jr shows up... if its the one we have been seeing lately since Martinez well it could all be over rather quickly
Badou Jack boxed in the Athy GAA club about 7/8 years ago when he was Swedish. Didn't look like a future World Champion that nite :)
Majority draw with deGale and Jack anyway, didnt see it......
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 15, 2017, 07:32:45 AM
Majority draw with deGale and Jack anyway, didnt see it......
Very good fight. Degale had him down in the first and did well for the first 4/5 rounds then Jack took over for the middle part of the fight. Degale seemed to be finishing strongly in the last few rounds but suffered a heavy enough knock down in the final round and was hanging on at the end. Draw probably fair enough but I thought Jack just knicked it especially with the final round knock down.
What station was this on?
Sky sports 1
Edit: it's on Sky sports 3 now!
Rematch looks doubtful as Jack is moving to light heavyweight would degale v smith fight for Jacks vacant belt? Throw in George groves and there is a nice 3 way match up there. Big Eddie is delighted
Cracking fight. Davis-Pedraza well with watching too.
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2017, 02:10:11 PM
Cracking fight. Davis-Pedraza well with watching too.
Was a good card as Aleem v Khytrov fight was class too while it lasted.
Money needs to make the rematch happen at the same weight again. But he sounds awful cool on the idea.
Great fight.
Rematch is doubtful as Smith is next in line for the WBC shot. Think he would beat Jack or DeGale.
A good rant re Ward Vs Kovalev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhf3huovGc
Well lads what's the thoughts for this weekend?
I am on the fence. I can't call it! Santa Cruz will have improved since the last fight, plus all the distractions with his Da's illness couldn't have helped him. But Frampton will also have improved and will make adjustments too. Just hope the big Vegas fight and the hype surrounding it doesn't distract him too much. Some support out there for him and it should be a cracker.
Frampton by close decision again. As has been commented on by a lot of journalists, I'm not sure Santa Cruz can change things up they much other then to somehow try and throw even more punches.
What time do you reckon the ring walk and fight will be?
Say 4am to be on the safe side. I like the way both fighters have conducted themselves throughout the build up, they obviously have a lot of respect for each other. I'm going to go frampton by unanimous decision this time.
Quote from: JimStynes on January 28, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
What time do you reckon the ring walk and fight will be?
Taken from The Mirror
QuoteThe pair will be in the ring around 4am GMT given the Showtime broadcast starts at 3am GMT and will include the chief support fight between Mikey Garcia and Dejan Zlaticanin.
I keep forgetting about the Mikey Garcia fight! He's a great fighter.
Think people under estimating Santa Cruz. Think he'll get frampton out in later rounds. Hope not but frampton always tires
Quote from: the goal was on on January 29, 2017, 12:27:53 AM
Think people under estimating Santa Cruz. Think he'll get frampton out in later rounds. Hope not but frampton always tires
Tires?? He's fought a few distance fights! He'll be fine. Will go either way! If distance fight Carl by split decision... raging I'm not there
Looking forward to another great fight. Refreshing to see both fighters taking the high road before a big fight. Frampton has to totally eclipse Barry and Collins are the greatest Irish boxer of all-time tonight. He already did it in terms of his skill but he's so close to becoming an absolute superstar now.
Any streams for the fight?
http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=577168&lang=en&eid=490493&lid=577168&ci=13&si=6
Cheers!
Frampton down a few rounds here. Needs to get going.
Needs a knock down?
I have him down two or three. Much smarter fight from LSC this time and Frampton starting to struggle to figure out what to do.
Fair enough result.
CF never really got going fully I felt
LSC learnt more from first fight, good fighter and looks incredibly awkward to fight against
Bring on Windsor 8)
More chance of this years ulster final being played at windsor than the third fight ring there or anywhere in Belfast. It'll be on LSC's terms now.
Gutted! Just didn't get going and Santa Cruz improved significantly from the last day. Trilogy must be an option but I'd be surprised if it was in Belfast.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2017, 12:32:02 AM
Quote from: the goal was on on January 29, 2017, 12:27:53 AM
Think people under estimating Santa Cruz. Think he'll get frampton out in later rounds. Hope not but frampton always tires
Tires?? He's fought a few distance fights! He'll be fine. Will go either way! If distance fight Carl by split decision... raging I'm not there
I could have imagined you there with your Northern Ireland jersey on.
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Quote from: the goal was on on January 29, 2017, 12:27:53 AM
Think people under estimating Santa Cruz. Think he'll get frampton out in later rounds. Hope not but frampton always tires
Tires?? He's fought a few distance fights! He'll be fine. Will go either way! If distance fight Carl by split decision... raging I'm not there
I could have imagined you there with your Northern Ireland jersey on.
Never actually bought a soccer top in my life!
For me Carl had lost it when he was singing his own walk in song. He started slow like he was in a half coma. Half tried to get in to it a few times but boxed like he didn't know what to do if Leo boxed and jabbed rather than fought
Also he hugged Leo before the 12th.....there was no chance of him hugging him before the 12th the last day.
Leo is a fantastic boxer who is awkward and obviously has a far greater reach than Carl but it looked to me like the absolute hunger (that a challenger may have) wasn't there from Carl. He was flat and leggy and looked a bit drained. Wasting energy throwing power shots when he was clearly out of range too
There'll be no singing and smiling walking in the next day (I'm not being a boring c......he is entitled to enjoy his moment in the sun but just should've left the singing till the job was done!)
Beat by the better fighter.... singing had nothing to do with it, Cruz was a better boxer last night and learned more from that first fight and Carl didn't ...
Was talking to a boxing coach on Monday and he said that Carl will lose and for him he shouldn't have taken the fight or waited a bit longer before a rematch...
Be strange having another fight with him again... The Vegas curse strikes again
Could Frampton and Santa Cruz not have settled their differences through dialogue?
(I hate boxing)
Another quaility fight, Santa Cruz deserved it, just. Great to see the respect between the two.
I suppose the smart thing is to leave this for a while and then do the rubber match. Selby for Frampton next or a bit of a tune-up fight instead?
Disapointing from Frampton
LSC just counter punched him the whole way smart boxing didn't think he could do that fair play great performance.
A third match, what a shit sport -if you are beat you are beat, are these the only two active boxers at this weight, crap sport. Is it best out of 10 ffs.
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
A third match, what a shit sport -if you are beat you are beat, are these the only two active boxers at this weight, crap sport. Is it best out of 10 ffs.
Not sure if you're a wum or serious?
Serious question. Obviously its all about the money, but ffs how many rematches are they going to have?
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Serious question. Obviously its all about the money, but ffs how many rematches are they going to have?
Why do teams keep playing eachother year after year?
Aside from that Boixing is business and the 2 previous fights were good fights so will attract a bigger audience for more money. Nothing stopping them from having as many rematches as they want. I know I'll watch it!!
As an aside I don't think he is but is there a chance McGregor would get into the ring with Mayweather??
Surely he knows there's no way it doesn't end up a humiliating defeat for him!
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2017, 04:07:25 PM
As an aside I don't think he is but is there a chance McGregor would get into the ring with Mayweather??
Surely he knows there's no way it doesn't end up a humiliating defeat for him!
True but think of the coin
Quote from: lurganblue on February 16, 2017, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2017, 04:07:25 PM
As an aside I don't think he is but is there a chance McGregor would get into the ring with Mayweather??
Surely he knows there's no way it doesn't end up a humiliating defeat for him!
True but think of the coin
Mayweather should try and get a bit of credibility and fight him in the cage after the boxing match. But its Mayweather, of course he won't.
Yeah Mayweather lacks credibility alright...
Idiotic comment. Mayweather, the one who'll call all the shots when he wants, to prove his credibility, should just go and try a different sport he has no familiarity with. He'd lose a tennis match against Serena Williams too. Pffft, couldn't even beat a girl!
Nrico has a history of calling out decorated boxers as soft or as duckers for not fighting whoever he thinks they should fight.
What a complete farce of a fight that would be. I couldn't see it being the biggest fight of all time. A waste of time more like. McGregor wouldn't lay a glove on him and Mayweather will likely stop him. I reckon it is just both fighters keeping themselves relevant. The trash talk would be amazing to be fair.
The rematch with LSC and Frampton has to happen to see who is the best. It's 1-1 at the minute. If it was 2-0 then I could see why people would say there is no need for a rematch. I would like to see Selby v Frampton in Belfast and LSC V Gary Russell Junior. Then the winners fight to unify the division in Las Vegas. I still think it is such a shame that the best fighter in around those weight classes can't get a look in. Rigo was ducked by everyone as he is not a big money fighter but more importantly, he is just better than everyone. He's getting on in years now too. I do see it as the one blemish on Frampton's career.
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: No wides on February 16, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Serious question. Obviously its all about the money, but ffs how many rematches are they going to have?
Why do teams keep playing eachother year after year?
Aside from that Boixing is business and the 2 previous fights were good fights so will attract a bigger audience for more money. Nothing stopping them from having as many rematches as they want. I know I'll watch it!!
If Dublin beat Kerry in the all ireland final there isnt an instant rematch there is a competition the next year boxing is a joke you are beat let the next competitor have a go.
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Idiotic comment. Mayweather, the one who'll call all the shots when he wants, to prove his credibility, should just go and try a different sport he has no familiarity with. He'd lose a tennis match against Serena Williams too. Pffft, couldn't even beat a girl!
Nrico has a history of calling out decorated boxers as soft or as duckers for not fighting whoever he thinks they should fight.
Of course its not the smart thing to do, but its the fair thing to do. McGregor isn't a boxer, yet he is expected to step into a boxing ring against a multiple weight world champion. Mayweather fighting McGregor in the cage would make it fair.
What decorated boxers have I called soft or duckers by the way?
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2017, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Idiotic comment. Mayweather, the one who'll call all the shots when he wants, to prove his credibility, should just go and try a different sport he has no familiarity with. He'd lose a tennis match against Serena Williams too. Pffft, couldn't even beat a girl!
Nrico has a history of calling out decorated boxers as soft or as duckers for not fighting whoever he thinks they should fight.
Of course its not the smart thing to do, but its the fair thing to do. McGregor isn't a boxer, yet he is expected to step into a boxing ring against a multiple weight world champion. Mayweather fighting McGregor in the cage would make it fair.
What decorated boxers have I called soft or duckers by the way?
Assuming you are on the wind up?
In your mind it is fair for them to go in a cage where FM has zero experience of MMA rather than a ring?
You do know CMG throws punches in MMA?
Right so
CMG started out as a boxer didn't he?
Quote from: Taylor on February 17, 2017, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 17, 2017, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2017, 04:29:47 PM
Idiotic comment. Mayweather, the one who'll call all the shots when he wants, to prove his credibility, should just go and try a different sport he has no familiarity with. He'd lose a tennis match against Serena Williams too. Pffft, couldn't even beat a girl!
Nrico has a history of calling out decorated boxers as soft or as duckers for not fighting whoever he thinks they should fight.
Of course its not the smart thing to do, but its the fair thing to do. McGregor isn't a boxer, yet he is expected to step into a boxing ring against a multiple weight world champion. Mayweather fighting McGregor in the cage would make it fair.
What decorated boxers have I called soft or duckers by the way?
Assuming you are on the wind up?
In your mind it is fair for them to go in a cage where FM has zero experience of MMA rather than a ring?
You do know CMG throws punches in MMA?
Right so
The stand up game in MMA is completely different than boxing, they fight at a different range and jabbing is almost non-existent. As for your point about CMG thowing punches in MMA, surely Mayweathers exceptional skill in this art gives him a certain skillset to work with if in the cage.
Quote from: JimStynes on February 16, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
What a complete farce of a fight that would be. I couldn't see it being the biggest fight of all time. A waste of time more like. McGregor wouldn't lay a glove on him and Mayweather will likely stop him. I reckon it is just both fighters keeping themselves relevant. The trash talk would be amazing to be fair.
The rematch with LSC and Frampton has to happen to see who is the best. It's 1-1 at the minute. If it was 2-0 then I could see why people would say there is no need for a rematch. I would like to see Selby v Frampton in Belfast and LSC V Gary Russell Junior. Then the winners fight to unify the division in Las Vegas. I still think it is such a shame that the best fighter in around those weight classes can't get a look in. Rigo was ducked by everyone as he is not a big money fighter but more importantly, he is just better than everyone. He's getting on in years now too. I do see it as the one blemish on Frampton's career.
And anyone else that has ducked him?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 16, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
What a complete farce of a fight that would be. I couldn't see it being the biggest fight of all time. A waste of time more like. McGregor wouldn't lay a glove on him and Mayweather will likely stop him. I reckon it is just both fighters keeping themselves relevant. The trash talk would be amazing to be fair.
The rematch with LSC and Frampton has to happen to see who is the best. It's 1-1 at the minute. If it was 2-0 then I could see why people would say there is no need for a rematch. I would like to see Selby v Frampton in Belfast and LSC V Gary Russell Junior. Then the winners fight to unify the division in Las Vegas. I still think it is such a shame that the best fighter in around those weight classes can't get a look in. Rigo was ducked by everyone as he is not a big money fighter but more importantly, he is just better than everyone. He's getting on in years now too. I do see it as the one blemish on Frampton's career.
And anyone else that has ducked him?
Surely if Rigo fought more frequently he would eventually get his mandatory title fights/big fights.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 17, 2017, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 16, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
What a complete farce of a fight that would be. I couldn't see it being the biggest fight of all time. A waste of time more like. McGregor wouldn't lay a glove on him and Mayweather will likely stop him. I reckon it is just both fighters keeping themselves relevant. The trash talk would be amazing to be fair.
The rematch with LSC and Frampton has to happen to see who is the best. It's 1-1 at the minute. If it was 2-0 then I could see why people would say there is no need for a rematch. I would like to see Selby v Frampton in Belfast and LSC V Gary Russell Junior. Then the winners fight to unify the division in Las Vegas. I still think it is such a shame that the best fighter in around those weight classes can't get a look in. Rigo was ducked by everyone as he is not a big money fighter but more importantly, he is just better than everyone. He's getting on in years now too. I do see it as the one blemish on Frampton's career.
And anyone else that has ducked him?
Surely if Rigo fought more frequently he would eventually get his mandatory title fights/big fights.
He can't get anyone to fight him. It's a real shame we won't get to see the best fighters fighting him as he is truly gifted. His one big fight was against P4P top 10 Donaire and he won that by UD. High risk and low reward for the likes of LSC and Frampton to fight him. Frampton talked about fighting him in the past but then changed his tune and said that he has a family to think about and make as much money as he can. I don't blame frampton at all for that. It is a money business. Rigo is probably over the hill now too, so that ship has sailed I would say.
What time is the Haye Bellew fight?
Is there any way Haye & Bellew could both get knocked out ??
Quote from: Minder on March 04, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
Is there any way Haye & Bellew could both get knocked out ??
Fair point ;D, I'll be rooting for Bellew though, he's a bum but I think he knows that Haye thinks he's a genuine top class heavyweight..
Haye should win in 3/4 rounds.
One of the greatest marketing jobs of all time to sell this as PPV
Quote from: Boycey on March 04, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 04, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
Is there any way Haye & Bellew could both get knocked out ??
Fair point ;D, I'll be rooting for Bellew though, he's a bum but I think he knows that Haye thinks he's a genuine top class heavyweight..
Haye should win in 3/4 rounds.
One of the greatest marketing jobs of all time to sell this as PPV
You used to see shite like this on Ch5 not that long ago
Quote from: Minder on March 04, 2017, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: Boycey on March 04, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 04, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
Is there any way Haye & Bellew could both get knocked out ??
Fair point ;D, I'll be rooting for Bellew though, he's a bum but I think he knows that Haye thinks he's a genuine top class heavyweight..
Haye should win in 3/4 rounds.
One of the greatest marketing jobs of all time to sell this as PPV
You used to see shite like this on Ch5 not that long ago
Hayes last two bouts were on Dave ;D
Think Katie is up next, then Bellew/Haye. Haye should win but I'd be delighted for Bellew if he did it. I know it's mostly bullshit to sell a fight but some of the shit Haye has said in the last few days was a bit much.
Christ this doll is scary looking...
Good to hear Katie coming in to the sounds of AC/DC 8)
Katie has beefed up a bit since turning pro. This opponent looks scary.
Wouldn't want to meet thon blade outside the Bot.
Brilliant from Katie.
Another great night for Sinn Fein.
Any links to Haye v Francie?
Haye starting to dominate
Can't get any streams on Kodi
f**king he'll, R 6 was a doozey. Think Haye has dislocated his knee & is fighting on
WTF...Is his ankle broke or something?
Achilles gone
f**k he has no luck, first the toe, now this
It shouldn't be allowed continue.
Bellew is shite
What a bizarre fight. Haye really should be pulled here.
I'd give that round to Haye
He is fighting like Lurch.
Both finished after his!!
The commentators talk some shite. One of the biggest upsets in British boxing ::)
Bellew bate up a bigger lad with an injury. Two shite boxers at that level.
Go on the bomberrrr!!!!
Well that was entertaining. Fair fucks to Haye, I always had him pegged as a big fanny but he showed some balls tonight.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2017, 11:33:47 PM
Well that was entertaining. Fair f**ks to Haye, I always had him pegged as a big fanny but he showed some balls tonight.
Entertaining but desperstely poor quality from the rounds I watched. Bellew barely beat a man on one leg.
Besties now
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2017, 11:35:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2017, 11:33:47 PM
Well that was entertaining. Fair f**ks to Haye, I always had him pegged as a big fanny but he showed some balls tonight.
Entertaining but desperstely poor quality from the rounds I watched. Bellew barely beat a man on one leg.
It was a bit like a team not being able to beat a ten man Bournemouth....
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2017, 11:36:07 PM
Besties now
It's almost as if all the "bad blood" was manufactured to sell the fight
Hayes lucky that happened tonight against a plodder like Bellew and not against someone like Joshua or Wilder.
Haye talked so much crap coming in that I thought Bellew at 5/1 must be value so stuck £10 on him. Schweeeet!!😇
Imagine what Joshua would do that
Those two should get a room
Take the batteries out of the both of them now ffs
This is embarrassing. He won cos Haye was injured yet they're not mentioning it!
Quote from: ONeill on March 04, 2017, 11:32:39 PM
Bellew bate up a bigger lad with an injury. Two shite boxers at that level.
Not the first Bellew to overachieve..
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 04, 2017, 11:39:51 PM
Hayes lucky that happened tonight against a plodder like Bellew and not against someone like Joshua or Wilder.
He'd of been pulled out straight away, they knew Bellew couldn't hurt him..
Any wonder boxing is in the dumps this is complete nonsense now!
What a load of bollocks. If Bellew had a punch it was over in round 6.
Quote from: square_ball on March 04, 2017, 11:42:33 PM
This is embarrassing. He won cos Haye was injured yet they're not mentioning it!
Haye must have learned after the Klitchko fight not to make excuses after a fight.
Lol at Bellew and Joshua. Embarrassing shit there with both showing how desperate they are to make a few quid. A circus.
More respect for Haye after that loss than pretty much any of his wins.
Have to laugh at the celebrations in the Bellew camp. He struggled to beat a one legged man and before the injury i had him losing comfortably. He doesnt have the power.
Nice to see AJ mouth "no chance" when Bellew was talking sh*te about if they were ever to fight.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 06, 2017, 10:04:44 AM
Have to laugh at the celebrations in the Bellew camp. He struggled to beat a one legged man and before the injury i had him losing comfortably. He doesnt have the power.
Nice to see AJ mouth "no chance" when Bellew was talking sh*te about if they were ever to fight.
My thoughts exactly. Haye had one every round up until that point. In hindsight there was a reason for him not being able to get into position like he normally would and instead rely on wild lunges as the rumours last week must have been true. Bellew couldn't even put him away when there were times Haye needed the ropes to stand up. I see Bellew saying that people will respect his power now, holy moly!!!
Bellew is a powder puff puncher and he could get seriously hurt in the heavyweights.
Not being able to finish Haye when he was in that shape says it all.
Why would the ref not stop the fight?
I know if a fighter cant defend himself he will be stopped but surely there has to be something if a fighter is like that it is only a matter of time before he gets nailed (unless you are fighting a a balloon like bellew)
Arum says that the Pac v Khan fight is off
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/boxing/594556/Manny-Pacquiao-Amir-Khan-fight-cancelled-UAE (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/boxing/594556/Manny-Pacquiao-Amir-Khan-fight-cancelled-UAE)
Glad to see that rat Khan not getting that fight, he doesn't deserve it.
Also glad to see Garcia and his da lose on Saturday night.
Can now look forward to Joshua and Klitschko and I would imagine Hughie Fury will beat Parker in May too. Hearing whispers of Santa Cruz wanting Selby next, Frampton really should have moved on after beating him the first time although the money and appeal of Vegas was probably too hard to turn down.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 08, 2017, 11:11:28 AM
Glad to see that rat Khan not getting that fight, he doesn't deserve it.
Also glad to see Garcia and his da lose on Saturday night.
Can now look forward to Joshua and Klitschko and I would imagine Hughie Fury will beat Parker in May too. Hearing whispers of Santa Cruz wanting Selby next, Frampton really should have moved on after beating him the first time although the money and appeal of Vegas was probably too hard to turn down.
Saw a clip of Santa Cruz mumbling something about his dad and visa issues re coming to fight over here.
Looking forward to Crolla v Linares II. Enjoyed the 1st fight
Anyone watch the Thurman v Garcia fight? i watched it last night for the 1st. Have to say i agreed with the Garcia 115 - 113, that one judge scored it. American commentators had Thurman romping it. Think i might have been watching a different fight. They seem to put a lot of emphasis on amount of punches thrown per round. Matters none if they arent landing.
Ffs, not a hope Garcia won that fight!
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 08, 2017, 11:11:28 AM
Glad to see that rat Khan not getting that fight, he doesn't deserve it.
Also glad to see Garcia and his da lose on Saturday night.
Can now look forward to Joshua and Klitschko and I would imagine Hughie Fury will beat Parker in May too. Hearing whispers of Santa Cruz wanting Selby next, Frampton really should have moved on after beating him the first time although the money and appeal of Vegas was probably too hard to turn down.
Frampton didn't really make a mistake fighting Santa Cruz the second time. They'll have their trilogy given time and it will secure both fighters' legacies and financial futures. Total win-win. The tie being 1-1 makes the third fight an easy sell.
I wouldn't want them to fight again immediately anyways.
Quote from: gallsman on March 10, 2017, 04:57:04 PM
Ffs, not a hope Garcia won that fight!
Why? You think he was destroyed then?
Jaysus Jamie Conlan doesn't make anything easy does he!
Laughed at his post fight interview too. When asked would he have to wear sunglasses at Michael's fight in New York he replied, it's snowing in New York f**k sake. I'D be running around looking like a fuckin d*ckhead ;D
Yer man Conlon fought tonight should be ashamed.
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 18, 2017, 03:16:28 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2017, 03:03:43 AM
Yer man Conlon fought tonight should be ashamed.
why?
Why indeed. Massive difference in class. Yer man knew once he offloaded he was getting a couple of body blows. When he finally came out his shell a bit more, Conlon went to town. Very exciting fighter with a big crowd behind him, could be a good fews ahead for Conlon
Should be ashamed? I thought it was an ok performance but he's a lot of pressure on him and it's his pro debut ffs. I'll judge him after he fights half decent people. Hopefully he can become a star!
Maybe taken out of context as I've not seen the interview only read a few quotes but were his remarks about Frampton not a wee bit disrespectful? He's a fair bit to go to get to Frampton status..
Quote from: Boycey on March 18, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Maybe taken out of context as I've not seen the interview only read a few quotes but were his remarks about Frampton not a wee bit disrespectful? He's a fair bit to go to get to Frampton status..
He'll need a good PR person around him to tone down the smickness about him.... he's got great potential definitely has a world title in him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Boycey on March 18, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Maybe taken out of context as I've not seen the interview only read a few quotes but were his remarks about Frampton not a wee bit disrespectful? He's a fair bit to go to get to Frampton status..
He'll need a good PR person around him to tone down the smickness about him.... he's got great potential definitely has a world title in him
You're right, nobody likes a wee chippy lad from W. Belfast.
A lot of clamour that Jacobs pipped GGG but I didn't see it that way. Jacobs' confidence grew as the fight wore on but by the time he realised he could take the shots and out box GGG he was coming from well down and had passed up winnable rounds through caution.
GGG is the champion and with his walk forward style, judges on an American promotion will always side with him in close and passive rounds. I had GGG 115-113.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 19, 2017, 05:15:44 AM
A lot of clamour that Jacobs pipped GGG but I didn't see it that way. Jacobs' confidence grew as the fight wore on but by the time he realised he could take the shots and out box GGG he was coming from well down and had passed up winnable rounds through caution.
GGG is the champion and with his walk forward style, judges on an American promotion will always side with him in close and passive rounds. I had GGG 115-113.
I slept through my alarm ffs. Trying to find a link to watch it. Reading a lot of ppl saying that Jacobs was robbed though.
Was barely a mark on GGG at the end. It was tight but definitely a GGG win. Jacobs was huge though, IBF belt not even on the line.
Tough but clear GGG win in my book. Chocolatito on the other hand, was robbed blind.
Only got round to watching Conlon last night and I found the whole ring entrance and hammed up irish thing with McGregor, leprechaun outfit and hat a bit cringeworthy. It was the Irish equivalent of watching Apollo Creeed enter the ring in Rocky 4. I'm massively excited about Conlon and I appreciate exploiting the Irish thing is a golden egg around NYC and Boston but I felt a bit uncomfortable about him talking about 3 weight world titles etc after his pro debut. I may be old fashioned but I would have preferred a few low key, down the order fights to get him up and running, make a few mistakes under the radar and get a couple of fights and a few wins under his belt before headlining at MSG. I hope the guys handling him have his best interests in mind.
I would agree benny. Many good amateurs don't cut it at pro. I like conlan but he can be quite immature in how he conducts himself but hopefully with a few fights under his belt he will grow up a bit.
Boxing is show business lads. Same reason McG-Mayweather will happen. Conlan wouldn't be half as marketable if he was the Alan Sherer of boxing.
Crolla Linares tonight, I like Crolla but think he's up against. Katie high up on the bill again...
Linares is some operator lads very impressive stuff!
Quote from: screenexile on March 25, 2017, 11:16:11 PM
Linares is some operator lads very impressive stuff!
Crolla trying hard but Linares is on a different level altogether.
Linares is unreal.
I see Roach slabbering that McGregor isn't a good fighter and that he will get schooled by Mayweather. I know who I would back in a fight between the two.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 25, 2017, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 25, 2017, 11:16:11 PM
Linares is some operator lads very impressive stuff!
Crolla trying hard but Linares is on a different level altogether.
Crolla gave it absolutely everything, but could still only win about 2 rounds. Linares superb.
Katie was impressive. Definitely the aim was to put on a show, very aggressive and didnt mind taking shots. Pity it's only 2 minute rounds in women's boxing, I think she'd be better with 3 minute rounds. She doesn't have concussive single punch power, and a minute break every two minutes allows the opponent to recover from the barrage of punches Katie lands.
The Sky guys certainly hype her up! Froch during the fight and Bellew afterwards gave her huge praise. I'm not sure she's such a shoe-in to be world champ.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2017, 08:32:45 AM
Linares is unreal.
I see Roach slabbering that McGregor isn't a good fighter and that he will get schooled by Mayweather. I know who I would back in a fight between the two.
Of course he'd get schooled by Mayweather
Quote from: Boycey on March 27, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2017, 08:32:45 AM
Linares is unreal.
I see Roach slabbering that McGregor isn't a good fighter and that he will get schooled by Mayweather. I know who I would back in a fight between the two.
Of course he'd get schooled by Mayweather
I agree that he would, in a boxing match. Roach's use of words could be better though, as McGregor may not be a great boxer but he is a great fighter and the opposite is true with regard to Mayweather.
Jaysus. Semantics. He means in a boxing ring. Boxers are called 'Fighters'. 'He's a hungry young fighter'. Roche means that McGregor would be well beaten in a boxing ring by Floyd Mayweather. I don't think it's an attack on his manhood.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 27, 2017, 10:43:17 AM
Jaysus. Semantics. He means in a boxing ring. Boxers are called 'Fighters'. 'He's a hungry young fighter'. Roche means that McGregor would be well beaten in a boxing ring by Floyd Mayweather. I don't think it's an attack on his manhood.
I dont get this sycophantic following of McGregor, Mayweather has made a career of not getting hit, by technically better and faster punchers than McG. I pretty much dislike everything about Mayweather but still think he will school McG.
I agree. McGregor isn't a boxer. He hasn't a hope against Mayweather. Same way Mayweather wouldn't have a hope in a UFC match.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
I agree. McGregor isn't a boxer. He hasn't a hope against Mayweather. Same way Mayweather wouldn't have a hope in a UFC match.
The difference is nobody is daft enough to suggest Floyd would have a hope in MMA.
Ray Mercer proved that boxers have a chance in MMA by beating a washed up Tim Sylvia but I think those skills are only effective at HW and only against an MMA fighter who prefers to stand....
I fully support Mcgregors campaign to fight FMW. I would campaign just as hard and the result of the fight would be the same but I'd be $30million richer... it's all about the gold coin - I've said it over and over again..
Carl Frampton, an Antrim shirt and a twitter troll
https://twitter.com/RealCFrampton/status/849959890474983425
Just watched the Lomachenko fight from Saturday. He's ridiculously good. Talk of fighting Garcia at 135. That could be a special fight.
Quote from: dec on April 07, 2017, 01:05:27 AM
Carl Frampton, an Antrim shirt and a twitter troll
https://twitter.com/RealCFrampton/status/849959890474983425
Framps is such a class act. Bridges both sides effortlessly. When you see how confused some other northern sport stars are about what to do about their dual identities (Mcllroy) the way Frampton hands himself is even more impressive.
Frampton for president.. of something.
Quote from: gallsman on April 10, 2017, 05:31:07 PM
Just watched the Lomachenko fight from Saturday. He's ridiculously good. Talk of fighting Garcia at 135. That could be a special fight.
Lomachenko is really something else no one his size can touch him as he's proved already. Garcia would be interesting as he looks like is naturally a fair bit bigger than Lomachenko and has got heavy fast hands.... but landing them on Loma would be the problem.
Not much word over here about this weekend and the timeslot is not USA friendly either. How do we see it goin lads?
I think Joshusa should win but he needs to have a plan as he is unlikely to put Klitscho away early. Then again he might well put him away early 41 years old and 18 months outta the ring.
Quote from: omaghjoe on April 26, 2017, 03:55:11 AM
Not much word over here about this weekend and the timeslot is not USA friendly either. How do we see it goin lads?
I think Joshusa should win but he needs to have a plan as he is unlikely to put Klitscho away early. Then again he might well put him away early 41 years old and 18 months outta the ring.
I'm really looking forward to this fight. I cant decide who will win as there is big question marks over both men. Has Wlad got anything left in the tank? Or is he primed for one last big performance? Is Joshua really that good? Can he take a punch? Will he gas out if this goes beyond 6 or 7. Personally, I just think that Wlad will be too much for him at this stage, he'll plan to jab him all night long, keeping out of range of Joshua's big right hand and maybe take him out late on.
Nobody knows what will happen on Saturday night. Joshua doesn't have the awkwardness of Fury and will be there to be hit. You would imagine that Klitschko will try and get him through to the second half of the fight where Joshua's speed and power will be diminished. At the same time, if Klitschko is finished he could be knocked out. But I would be more inclined to think that the Fury fight was a one off.
Looking forward to this one myself. £19.95 on SKY BO.
You couldn't help but like big AJ. Really hope he wins but I wouldn't be so sure. I'll probably have a punt on him for a mid round knockout for Rounds 6-8
I'll be in Newry for this so hoping to catch it on in a bar somewhere!?
I'm going to edge towards Klitschko for this. AJ hasnt faced a fighter of his level yet and i think he might struggle a little. White wobbled him a bit. That chin isnt rock solid. Maybe a Klitschko knockout in the 2nd half of the fight.
While I feel boxing is in good health overall, I think it's a poor reflection on the HW division that this is the most exciting match up in recent times. AJ is a good guy and a physical freak but in other eras his lack of fundamental boxing skills would be cause for serious reservations. To be dominant over any period of time he is going to have to have a very solid chin - which we don't know yet - because his lack of head movement means he's going to he hit. Only White has really caught him and rocked him seriously.
Wlad is a decent boxer with an exceptional frame to allow him to keep almost every opponent at range and avoid taking punishment. He won't have that with AJ and his record shows that he can be hurt and stopped. He also has to have slowed down.
Wlad is a few notches down on his brother in terms of ability but the greatly reduced standard of heavyweights worldwide means he remains a top 5 fighter. 20 years ago this fight between a hot prospect with 19 pro fights and an over the hill ex champ would be on the undercard of a title fight or at absolute best a title eliminator.
I think either AJ wins in 5/6 rounds with a stoppage (I think Wlad's corner may be trigger happy if he gets in trouble) or that Wlad wins on points as he will fight at the same pace and with the same technical ability for 12 rounds.
For what it's worth I hope Wlad knocks AJ out in the first round because Hearn is a grade A tit.
I don't think Hearn is that bad to be honest. Good interview with both of them in the Guardian a few weeks ago.
I quite like Eddie Hearn to be honest. Some of the interviews he gives on IFL are funny and seems to take the piss out of himself a good bit. He's a business man at the end of the day so he will probably piss a few people off on the way to making big fights. Haven't a clue what way it will go on Saturday night. Going to pick AJ for a mid round stoppage. Imagine a prime Tyson in with some of the heavy weight champions of the last 15 years.
Hard to get overly excited for any heavyweight boxing fight nowadays but from what I seen of him Joshua looks like the real deal and needs to win fight against Klitschko who is past his best.
Came across this footage of Wayne McCullough v Arturo Gatti in the Amateurs. McCullough was a great amateur and forced a stoppage here. Pity he just lacked that big punch needed at the very highest level of the pros.
https://youtu.be/yhdbJmJp-vw
Taylor going well
Has Klitscko any chance or too old ?
Fair play to Katie Taylor a world title match next I presume.
Quigg getting it tight - R3
Quote from: Minder on April 29, 2017, 08:31:45 PM
Has Klitscko any chance or too old ?
AJ could be another Bruno or turn out to be a great fighter!! I've a fiver on Klitscko to win on points as an interest
What time is it starting ? 10ish?
any links?
Quote from: Minder on April 29, 2017, 08:53:59 PM
What time is it starting ? 10ish?
Read elsewhere it was 9.40
Ring walks 9.35 I read, fight around 10
Commentators have been atrocious in this quigg fight.
streams?
This is like Apollo Creed's entrance when he fought Ivan Drago.
Great round
Joshua looked gone there.
Caught by a left hook and scrambled his eggs.
Dead on his feet
What a punch. Looks like a child
He did well to survive that.
Joshua is far too easy to hit.
Looks like a lad used to overpowering people and he's flat on his feet.
A better round for him, will his youth stand to him now?
Good recovery. Muat be tight on the scorecards
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
A better round for him, will his youth stand to him now?
Can't see how his youth will help, be more experience that would see the winner through
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2017, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
A better round for him, will his youth stand to him now?
Can't see how his youth will help, be more experience that would see the winner through
Legs. Energy. Quicker recovery.
f**k me what a fight. We'll done AJ, real deal!
Fair play to Joshua! Answered a lot of questions there! But still too easy to hit!
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2017, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
A better round for him, will his youth stand to him now?
Can't see how his youth will help, be more experience that would see the winner through
Legs. Energy. Quicker recovery.
Like that.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 29, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Fair play to Joshua! Answered a lot of questions there! But still too easy to hit!
Yes. A younger Klitschko would have beaten him there. Good fight though and fair play to wadimir at 41!
A fight that lived up to its hype.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:46:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 29, 2017, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
A better round for him, will his youth stand to him now?
Can't see how his youth will help, be more experience that would see the winner through
Legs. Energy. Quicker recovery.
Like that.
Yeah that worked!! But Christ he's wide open a lot of that fight!!
Ballsy enough from AJ to be fair he had great bursts for punches but it drained him quickly
Klitchsko is a f**king hard man. I don't think AJ had anything left there, he'd no energy to even celebrate.
AJ learnt about 5 years worth of boxing experience there.
Incredible battle, fair play to both men. Rematch?
Best heavyweight fight in ages and ages. Electric.
Joshua was incredibly naive celebrating after the first knockdown. You just knew a fighter of Vlad's calibur wasn't gonig out that easily. Probably the first time I could say I was able to really appreciate the old man's talent, it's a pity he never had the level of opponent at his peak that could have made his legacy so much more.
Joshua is a true world champion now.
He beat a 41-year-old who'd been out of the ring for 18 months. Not convinced.
Funny Bruno is who he reminds me of, though can take a better punch, abit robotic boxing wise and easy to hit, he too heavy and need to drop to near the 17stone mark in future fights. Got to remember thought he was fighting a guy at 41. Great fight though
Quote from: ONeill on April 29, 2017, 10:54:15 PM
He beat a 41-year-old who'd been out of the ring for 18 months. Not convinced.
Boxing isn't a sport where you're so far past your best around 40 that you can't be near the top of your sport. Vlad is still probably the second best fighter at heavyweight. Wilder is useless and Parker has fought no one.
Quote from: ONeill on April 29, 2017, 10:54:15 PM
He beat a 41-year-old who'd been out of the ring for 18 months. Not convinced.
Yeah that's how I see it
Brilliant fight. AJ is not much of a speaker though. Cliches and waffle. Vlad came across great I thought - very sporting.
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 29, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
Brilliant fight. AJ is not much of a speaker though. Cliches and waffle. Vlad came across great I thought - very sporting.
I thought Joshua came across great. Doesn't seem like a bollix despite being the most hyped fighter since Tyson.
At around 40 in boxing you should be well done if you fighting fighters of yesteryear, for example how would any of the pair shape against ALi, Holmes, tyson, Foreman, Frazier, Louis at there peaks tonight?
The speeches reminded me of Rocky v Drago at the end. Russians chanting Rocky Rocky.
5th Round was many the best round of heavyweight boxing i had seen in years
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
At around 40 in boxing you should be well done if you fighting fighters of yesteryear, for example who would any shape of the pair shape against ALi, Holmes, tyson, Foreman, Frazier, Louis at there peaks tonight?
Mayweather, and many others. Boxers are a lot better protected and managed these days and most of the best are still very good between 35-40.
I don't think Joshua was naive celebrating when he first knocked him down - he thought the ref had stopped it as the ref stepped in before Wlad actually went down. There was a good shot of Vitaly at that point who clearly thought it had been called off too.
That was a great fight. Joshua has hands like stone and nearly took vlads head off with that uppercut, that punch alone won the fight. Joshua will destroy anyone else. He has shown he has the balls to fight the top guys, yes Vlad is 41 but he was untouchable for 10years. I feel there just wasn't anyone good enough to take him. You also have to remember this lad started boxing at 18, yes 18. Thats a lot of missed learning at youth clubs, junior and school tournaments getting your head pounded. I hope there's a rematch.
Yea it looked like the ref sorta cocked up in that 5th round.
Get Evander back in the ring. The real Apollo Creed.
Jesus Christ would they stop asking Bellew questions
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2017, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 29, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
Brilliant fight. AJ is not much of a speaker though. Cliches and waffle. Vlad came across great I thought - very sporting.
I thought Joshua came across great. Doesn't seem like a bollix despite being the most hyped fighter since Tyson.
He's undoubtedly a nice fella and the respectful build-up was a breath of fresh air, but calling out Fury in front of Klitschko when he'd just scraped through against the great man was disrespectful, and as an orator, I find him about as gripping as, say..... Alan Smith.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2017, 11:12:28 PM
That was a great fight. Joshua has hands like stone and nearly took vlads head off with that uppercut, that punch alone won the fight. Joshua will destroy anyone else. He has shown he has the balls to fight the top guys, yes Vlad is 41 but he was untouchable for 10years. I feel there just wasn't anyone good enough to take him. You also have to remember this lad started boxing at 18, yes 18. Thats a lot of missed learning at youth clubs, junior and school tournaments getting your head pounded. I hope there's a rematch.
Fury beat him 18 months ago.
The uppercut didn't put him down.
He's flawed, which he acknowledges and could get out worked by a crafty fighter like Fury. He could get sparked by a puncher like Wilder. He's doing great for a guy who has had 19 Pro fights bit he's a long way from the finished article.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2017, 11:12:28 PM
That was a great fight. Joshua has hands like stone and nearly took vlads head off with that uppercut, that punch alone won the fight. Joshua will destroy anyone else. He has shown he has the balls to fight the top guys, yes Vlad is 41 but he was untouchable for 10years. I feel there just wasn't anyone good enough to take him. You also have to remember this lad started boxing at 18, yes 18. Thats a lot of missed learning at youth clubs, junior and school tournaments getting your head pounded. I hope there's a rematch.
Agree with a lot but Vlad's last fight was a defeat to Tyson Fury in 2015. Tyson fcukin Fury. Pre-Brexit.
Quote from: Minder on April 29, 2017, 11:14:06 PM
Jesus Christ would they stop asking Bellew questions
I thought bellew was spot on after the tenth round and it was like AJ heard him executing perfectly
AJ too heavy, its ok carrying the muscle and going 6/7 rounds, going the distance, the extra weight is a disadvantage, the extra weight is no advantage after u hit the 17stone mark, foreman , Earnie shavers all came in round 16 and 161/2 stone and both hit harder than any current heavyweight
Felt bad for Klitschko scrambling for the ropes in the 11th. Father Time does that to all boxers if they keep going back. Joshua's knock down will give him something to work on.
Definitely too heavy - you can't be 27 years old and gas in the fifth round right after you've floored a man 14 years older than you.
He did what he had to do and deserves loads of credit but plenty of legitimate doubts still exist.
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2017, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2017, 11:12:28 PM
That was a great fight. Joshua has hands like stone and nearly took vlads head off with that uppercut, that punch alone won the fight. Joshua will destroy anyone else. He has shown he has the balls to fight the top guys, yes Vlad is 41 but he was untouchable for 10years. I feel there just wasn't anyone good enough to take him. You also have to remember this lad started boxing at 18, yes 18. Thats a lot of missed learning at youth clubs, junior and school tournaments getting your head pounded. I hope there's a rematch.
Fury beat him 18 months ago.
The uppercut didn't put him down.
He's flawed, which he acknowledges and could get out worked by a crafty fighter like Fury. He could get sparked by a puncher like Wilder. He's doing great for a guy who has had 19 Pro fights bit he's a long way from the finished article.
I don't disagree that wilder could sink him on the chin, but THEY ARE HEAVYWEIGHT BOXERS, by right if any top level fighter connects on the kisser then the fight is over (see haseem rachman). But ffs to say he's flawed I strongly disagree. I for one dislike Eddie Hearn and his mini Murdoch corp but his fighters seem to get a lot of his hate, social media is full already of '' rolly eyes oh sure he only beat a 41 year old'' give the lad some effin credit.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 29, 2017, 11:19:34 PM
AJ too heavy, its ok carrying the muscle and going 6/7 rounds, going the distance, the extra weight is a disadvantage, the extra weight is no advantage after u hit the 17stone mark, foreman , Earnie shavers all came in round 16 and 161/2 stone and both hit harder than any current heavyweight
He knocked Wlad out in the 11th round. Conditioning and weight wasn't his problem tonight, having no head movement and being far too easy to hit when buzzed was his problem and he was lucky Wlad wasn't able to capitalize. He did prove he could take a punch though which was a big question mark over him. If someone like Wilder catches him he'll not let him off the hook.
Deontay Wilder, Luis Ortiz and Joseph Parker are the only opponents Joshua should be thinking about.
Conditioning? he was blowing from the end of the 5th round, hes too easy to hit cause he not mobile enough, part of this is to do with his weight, why he need to be coming in at 18stone, its not rugby he playing
Fury is the lineal champ. If he says he's back and wants the fight, he can't be ignored.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2017, 11:27:59 PM
But ffs to say he's flawed I strongly disagree.
You don't think he's flawed?! Therefore you think he's a perfect fighter? He was hurt by the first decent punch Klitschko threw and gets hot far, far too easily. He gets plenty of credit, that he has earned, but he's plenty left to learn.
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Conditioning? he was blowing from the end of the 5th round
He knocked him out in the 11th, he got his wind back. Getting hit flush by a world class heavyweight would get anyone blowing. For someone blowing in the 5th after shipping a few heavy hits, to knock someone out as clinically as he did in the 11th is a testament to his conditioning.
Though I do agree he's too easy to hit.
I think it was the round after Vlad knocked down Joshua that the English man fought his best round. He lost it, but he threw about a dozen punches, chatted to Vlad and bought himself time to recover.
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Conditioning? he was blowing from the end of the 5th round
He knocked him out in the 11th, he got his wind back. Getting hit flush by a world class heavyweight would get anyone blowing. For someone blowing in the 5th after shipping a few heavy hits, to knock someone out as clinically as he did in the 11th is a testament to his conditioning.
Though I do agree he's too easy to hit.
He was blowing in the fifth through his own efforts though, not from getting hit. He had Wlad badly hurt 30 odd seconds into the round and Wlad was able to come back because he gassed so hard.
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Conditioning? he was blowing from the end of the 5th round
He knocked him out in the 11th, he got his wind back. Getting hit flush by a world class heavyweight would get anyone blowing. For someone blowing in the 5th after shipping a few heavy hits, to knock someone out as clinically as he did in the 11th is a testament to his conditioning.
Though I do agree he's too easy to hit.
He was blowing in the fifth through his own efforts though, not from getting hit. He had Wlad badly hurt 30 odd seconds into the round and Wlad was able to come back because he gassed so hard.
Wlad caught him with a big left hand in the fifth. Watch it back! Regardless, he was still able to continue, survive a huge onslaught and knock his man out 6 rounds later. I wish I could gas out like that!
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That was a great fight. Joshua has hands like stone and nearly took vlads head off with that uppercut, that punch alone won the fight. Joshua will destroy anyone else. He has shown he has the balls to fight the top guys, yes Vlad is 41 but he was untouchable for 10years. I feel there just wasn't anyone good enough to take him. You also have to remember this lad started boxing at 18, yes 18. Thats a lot of missed learning at youth clubs, junior and school tournaments getting your head pounded. I hope there's a rematch.
Fury beat him 18 months ago.
The uppercut didn't put him down.
He's flawed, which he acknowledges and could get out worked by a crafty fighter like Fury. He could get sparked by a puncher like Wilder. He's doing great for a guy who has had 19 Pro fights bit he's a long way from the finished article.
I don't disagree that wilder could sink him on the chin, but THEY ARE HEAVYWEIGHT BOXERS, by right if any top level fighter connects on the kisser then the fight is over (see haseem rachman). But ffs to say he's flawed I strongly disagree. I for one dislike Eddie Hearn and his mini Murdoch corp but his fighters seem to get a lot of his hate, social media is full already of '' rolly eyes oh sure he only beat a 41 year old'' give the lad some effin credit.
Wilder isn't a threat in the least.
Oh course he's a threat. Wilder is limited, but can bang. AJ gets hit, a lot, and can be hurt.
He should stay away from Fury, a dangerous menace who could quite easily beat him.
I'd say AJ will fight 2 dummies and then Wilder next Summer. If he fights Klitchsko again I think he wins too, bound to have learnt so much from 2nite & Vlad's improving years are long gone.
Joshua is definitely not the finished article but looking at the division he could be a unified champ for a looooong time.
Joshua will reign for years. Only fighters out there who could give him a fight are Wilder, Ortiz and two Furys. Doubts over the futures of the Furys, Ortiz is old and Wilder can bang q bit but you would fancy Joshua to knock him out.
This fight only confirms that Fury would beat Joshua. Fury schooled klitschko in his own backyard. The amount of disservice shown to that victory is pathetic. Yes fair play to Joshua for getting back up, but his aura is gone. Wilder is licking his lips and rightly so!
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Joshua will reign for years. Only fighters out there who could give him a fight are Wilder, Ortiz and two Furys. Doubts over the futures of the Furys, Ortiz is old and Wilder can bang q bit but you would fancy Joshua to knock him out.
+1
Lads lets be honest Fury gave Wlad something nobody had ever seen before and he couldn't cope. Given his troubles is this going to happen again? No chance!
Fury will get himself in shape in the next 2/3 years but the hunger isn't there he won't be the same as he was. Truth is nobody in the division can touch AJ for the next 3-5 years and he will close the division for the foreseeable future.
Hugely enjoyable fight tonight though!
AJ was out on his feet in round 5 after a flurry of punches, he wasn't hit during that period and then stopped... would be worrying for his camp that he wasted so much energy and was drained, which left him open... but fair fecks to him, huge learning curve that he just about got over, he was behind on points before the knock down in the 11th
I've rewatched from the 11th on round a few times since & some point the commentators said Joshua was ahead 2-1 on the judges' scorecards, not sure if this was the unofficial ringside scores (Showtime's, Sky's & German TV's) as they were referring to these during the fight or if they were the real judges' cards. I was a bit surprised myself tbh - unless I picked it up wrong.
Quote from: bridgegael on April 30, 2017, 01:53:37 AM
This fight only confirms that Fury would beat Joshua. Fury schooled klitschko in his own backyard. The amount of disservice shown to that victory is pathetic. Yes fair play to Joshua for getting back up, but his aura is gone. Wilder is licking his lips and rightly so!
Has anyone here actually seen Wilder? He's woeful.
Showtime showed the scorecards - two of them had AJ up. One scored the 5th 10-8 and the other a 10-9 after Wlad came back in it.
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This fight only confirms that Fury would beat Joshua. Fury schooled klitschko in his own backyard. The amount of disservice shown to that victory is pathetic. Yes fair play to Joshua for getting back up, but his aura is gone. Wilder is licking his lips and rightly so!
Has anyone here actually seen Wilder? He's woeful.
He's done what he's needed to do and knocked all bar one out. If he hits Joshua, he definitely won't let him off the hook like Wlad and Whyte. It's silly to say he's woeful, yes he is wreckless looking at times but anyone carrying a punch like his is a huge threat, especially to someone who is as easy to hit as Joshua.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
I've rewatched from the 11th on round a few times since & some point the commentators said Joshua was ahead 2-1 on the judges' scorecards, not sure if this was the unofficial ringside scores (Showtime's, Sky's & German TV's) as they were referring to these during the fight or if they were the real judges' cards. I was a bit surprised myself tbh - unless I picked it up wrong.
The bookies had him 2/1 and Klit 1/3 at the 11th round, they usually are a good judge (no pun)
I don't think he is that good at the minute. The standard of the HW division is shite though so he will probably be on top for a while. Big questions over his endurance though. A younger Klitschko wouldn't have let him off the hook after the knock down. Fair played to him, he is now a global superstar and is going to start making mega bucks. As someone said last night, the fight game is the one mainstream sport that they truly deserve their paycheque!
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I've rewatched from the 11th on round a few times since & some point the commentators said Joshua was ahead 2-1 on the judges' scorecards, not sure if this was the unofficial ringside scores (Showtime's, Sky's & German TV's) as they were referring to these during the fight or if they were the real judges' cards. I was a bit surprised myself tbh - unless I picked it up wrong.
The bookies had him 2/1 and Klit 1/3 at the 11th round, they usually are a good judge (no pun)
Judges had joshua ahead tho (2-1) and theyre maybe a bit more important when judging who wins the fight. Imo
So what did Klitschko have on that usb stick?
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I've rewatched from the 11th on round a few times since & some point the commentators said Joshua was ahead 2-1 on the judges' scorecards, not sure if this was the unofficial ringside scores (Showtime's, Sky's & German TV's) as they were referring to these during the fight or if they were the real judges' cards. I was a bit surprised myself tbh - unless I picked it up wrong.
The bookies had him 2/1 and Klit 1/3 at the 11th round, they usually are a good judge (no pun)
Judges had joshua ahead tho (2-1) and theyre maybe a bit more important when judging who wins the fight. Imo
That may be true but you'd fancy a 1/3 over a 2/1 surely??
I'd a fiver on Wlad to win on points and up to that point the cash out was 5/2 ... anyways it was up to that point for me very even. Do you get to see what the actual judges scorecards were at that point?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-p3_ruXkAEpLjN.jpg:large)
That picture is real. Any normal person could have ended up decapitated!!
Is this fight still accessible on any streams? Would like to rewatch it without a Guinness haze :-\
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Quote from: bennydorano on April 30, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
I've rewatched from the 11th on round a few times since & some point the commentators said Joshua was ahead 2-1 on the judges' scorecards, not sure if this was the unofficial ringside scores (Showtime's, Sky's & German TV's) as they were referring to these during the fight or if they were the real judges' cards. I was a bit surprised myself tbh - unless I picked it up wrong.
The bookies had him 2/1 and Klit 1/3 at the 11th round, they usually are a good judge (no pun)
Judges had joshua ahead tho (2-1) and theyre maybe a bit more important when judging who wins the fight. Imo
That may be true but you'd fancy a 1/3 over a 2/1 surely??
I'd a fiver on Wlad to win on points and up to that point the cash out was 5/2 ... anyways it was up to that point for me very even. Do you get to see what the actual judges scorecards were at that point?
Think you do. One had joshua ahead by 3pts which seemed generous other two were identical and closer, one for each boxer
Yeah joshua was ahead by 2 judges.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
Yeah joshua was ahead by 2 judges.
Shoulda cashed out then!!!!
Dailymotion has full videos of the fight. Watched a super HAD version this morning again but it's removed now as it was the sky one, there is a few others there but the quality is average
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-p3_ruXkAEpLjN.jpg:large)
That picture is real. Any normal person could have ended up decapitated!!
I know a physio in Mayo who says......
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This fight only confirms that Fury would beat Joshua. Fury schooled klitschko in his own backyard. The amount of disservice shown to that victory is pathetic. Yes fair play to Joshua for getting back up, but his aura is gone. Wilder is licking his lips and rightly so!
Has anyone here actually seen Wilder? He's woeful.
He's done what he's needed to do and knocked all bar one out. If he hits Joshua, he definitely won't let him off the hook like Wlad and Whyte. It's silly to say he's woeful, yes he is wreckless looking at times but anyone carrying a punch like his is a huge threat, especially to someone who is as easy to hit as Joshua.
Joshua would walk through him. You say Joshua is easy to hit but he's twice the boxer Wilder is - a puncher's chance is no chance at all in most boxing matches. Vlad was able to respond after those hammer blows by Joshua - I don't see Wilder having the experience or indeed the heart to do the same.
If Fury got into proper shape he might give Joshua an ugly, messy scrap. That's the best that's out there past the lad Joshua just beat.
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This fight only confirms that Fury would beat Joshua. Fury schooled klitschko in his own backyard. The amount of disservice shown to that victory is pathetic. Yes fair play to Joshua for getting back up, but his aura is gone. Wilder is licking his lips and rightly so!
Has anyone here actually seen Wilder? He's woeful.
He's done what he's needed to do and knocked all bar one out. If he hits Joshua, he definitely won't let him off the hook like Wlad and Whyte. It's silly to say he's woeful, yes he is wreckless looking at times but anyone carrying a punch like his is a huge threat, especially to someone who is as easy to hit as Joshua.
Joshua would walk through him. You say Joshua is easy to hit but he's twice the boxer Wilder is - a puncher's chance is no chance at all in most boxing matches. Vlad was able to respond after those hammer blows by Joshua - I don't see Wilder having the experience or indeed the heart to do the same.
If Fury got into proper shape he might give Joshua an ugly, messy scrap. That's the best that's out there past the lad Joshua just beat.
Twice the boxer? How do arrive at that? Has Wilder shown any evidence of not having a heart?
In case your interested, that image is photo shopped. The original is pretty horrific too but with a normal length neck
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 30, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-p3_ruXkAEpLjN.jpg:large)
That picture is real. Any normal person could have ended up decapitated!!
That picture is not real..
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nintchdbpict0003203408942.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100)
The photo is as real as the one with the chuckle brother & JayZ at the fight
I'll eat my hat here while I type I didn't think joshua had it in him. Fair play. Great fight and both men can hold their head high...some a bit higher than the other going by the PS above!
Great heart shown by Vlad. Joshua had it all and was a deserving winner. Having two big HW's in a back and forth war definitely helps boxing...
I've more respect for Vlad after this defeat than I have had before. Really showed some balls. He will be kicking himself that he didn't try and lay on a few more punches after AJ got knocked down.
I plan on staying up for the Canelo-Chavez fight tonight. Very good undercard too.
Canelo stroll that fight was, won every round!
Just announced next up GGG vs Canelo. Sort of makes it almost worth watching that exhibition.
Quote from: heganboy on May 07, 2017, 05:36:45 AM
Just announced next up GGG vs Canelo. Sort of makes it almost worth watching that exhibition.
Have never seen that before - big video montage for GGG, formal ring walk etc.
Chavez, as usual, was pretty disgraceful tonight.
So glad I didn't stay up for that farce
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Just announced next up GGG vs Canelo. Sort of makes it almost worth watching that exhibition.
Have never seen that before - big video montage for GGG, formal ring walk etc.
Chavez, as usual, was pretty disgraceful tonight.
Just seen it there - thought I was watching WWE for a minute with that nonsense with GGG walking out.
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Just announced next up GGG vs Canelo. Sort of makes it almost worth watching that exhibition.
Have never seen that before - big video montage for GGG, formal ring walk etc.
Chavez, as usual, was pretty disgraceful tonight.
Just seen it there - thought I was watching WWE for a minute with that nonsense with GGG walking out.
He had been ringside, then they brought him to the back to have him do a walk out. Daft.
Unbelievably it looks like the Mayweather v McGregor fight is going to happen. McGregor announced today that he has signed all his necessary paperwork.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 18, 2017, 03:40:22 PM
Unbelievably it looks like the Mayweather v McGregor fight is going to happen. McGregor announced today that he has signed all his necessary paperwork.
..with the UFC.
The UFC-McGregor and Mayweather camps have yet to engage in serious negotiations. That's where all the delays happen in boxing.
You'd hope at 40 Mayweather might see the sense in expediting this one.
Believe it when I see it. Even McGregor's social media promotions showing him boxing to "prepare" for PBF are embarrassing for any serious boxer.
Sham of an event that I will definitely watch. But as I said before, PBF/MM has the odds stacked in his favour and it would only be fair if there was a fight under each discipline.
On another note, going to try IPTV for Brook Spence Jr fight, or might try it for the Davis Walsh fight this weekend.
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Sham of an event that I will definitely watch. But as I said before, PBF/MM has the odds stacked in his favour and it would only be fair if there was a fight under each discipline.
On another note, going to try IPTV for Brook Spence Jr fight, or might try it for the Davis Walsh fight this weekend.
Why do you think there's to be anything fair about it? This isn't about sport and finding out who the best is or anything. McGregor has called him out and says he wants to box him. Fine, if it happens, it happens. Floyd has never once come out and said that he could or should beat McGregor in an MMA fight. So frankly, you're talking out of your arse.
I knew a knob like you would bite. I didn't quote either fighter. I gave my opinion that it's unfair on McGregor, which it is.
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I knew a knob like you would bite. I didn't quote either fighter. I gave my opinion that it's unfair on McGregor, which it is.
Congratulations, you caught me hook, line and sinker with your subtle and witty bait.
What's unfair about it? If it ever happens, McGregor is the one who's asked for it and will get more than handsomely rewarded for it. Again, you appear to be under the delusion that this is a sporting contest where two athletes are meeting on a level playing field to determine who is better.
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I knew a knob like you would bite. I didn't quote either fighter. I gave my opinion that it's unfair on McGregor, which it is.
Congratulations, you caught me hook, line and sinker with your subtle and witty bait.
What's unfair about it? If it ever happens, McGregor is the one who's asked for it and will get more than handsomely rewarded for it. Again, you appear to be under the delusion that this is a sporting contest where two athletes are meeting on a level playing field to determine who is better.
Andy Lee summed it up pretty well..."
It's like asking a triathlete to swim against Michael Phelps"
I still don't think it will happen and if it does I will be surprised if McGregor will even land a clean blow the whole fight. Farce of a fight.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 18, 2017, 08:04:36 PM
I knew a knob like you would bite. I didn't quote either fighter. I gave my opinion that it's unfair on McGregor, which it is.
Congratulations, you caught me hook, line and sinker with your subtle and witty bait.
What's unfair about it? If it ever happens, McGregor is the one who's asked for it and will get more than handsomely rewarded for it. Again, you appear to be under the delusion that this is a sporting contest where two athletes are meeting on a level playing field to determine who is better.
Andy Lee summed it up pretty well..."It's like asking a triathlete to swim against Michael Phelps"
Slightly different - the triathlete is asking to race against Phelps.
Mayweather is looking for this fight as much as McGregor.
We might all think it's a farce and a sham of a fight but everyone will tune in to watch it. It will be a massive money maker.
It's win/win for McGregor. He will collect a fortune and even if he is schooled... sure that's what is supposed to happen. The only up side for Mayweather is the money. If he wins, sure it was a farce. If he loses, he should be embarrassed.
Easy win for conlon.
His opponent looked completely shite to be fair. This should be a good fight tonight. Spence is a great fighter but hasn't fought someone like Brook yet. Will be interesting to see if Brook can bounce back after the GGG fight. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a draw.
I actually like brook. No bullshit. Wants the best fights. Hope he wins tonight and then tells Khan to go to f*ck
£19.95 for Joshua fight, £21.95 for the Brook fight???? Bow wow
This has real fight of the year potential in my opinion, there have been some great fights put together this year so far and for me this has the most potential.
Most people seem to be going for Spence based on Brook's eye socket not holding up, thats an unknown but we will just have to see on that one.
I going for Brook on points
What time ?
Groves just won there, so ring walk shortly
Delighted for Groves.
Main event is on next I think AZ.
I'll go for Spence on points.
Any steams for fight ?
Firstrowsports is working fine for me
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Any steams for fight ?
http://cricfree.sc/update/ch1.php
Couldnt call first 4 but Brook looks to have gained upper hand the last two
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
Couldnt call first 4 but Brook looks to have gained upper hand the last two
It's certainly not a 5 round match like Froch has suggested
Brook looks like he's tiring.
Swung back to Spence now. Brook looks tired
Brook looks out of energy. He'll be lucky to hang on here
Left eye could be a problem
Brook has balls of steel. Not sure how he survived there!
How do Brook survive that
Jesus Spence is brilliant.
Top scrap. 2 top boxers. Was that the same eye?
Spence is like an entertaining version of Mayweather.
Great fight. Credit to both fighters.
Huh ref stop it or was it ingle?
Twas the other eye
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 27, 2017, 11:29:49 PM
Huh ref stop it or was it ingle?
Seemed to be the ref or Brook himself.
Spence is very good! Good fight!
Great performance by Spence tho, he really has it all, proved it now
Quality from spence , brook is a warrior and done well to last to 11.
Good fight. Are we back in a good era for the sweet science after a good few years of rubbish?
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 28, 2017, 01:00:12 AM
Good fight. Are we back in a good era for the sweet science after a good few years of rubbish?
We thanking Eddie Hearn?
Wasn't that impressed by Spence Jr. Brook tired as many feared he would due to the weight cut, hopefully he sees sense now and moves up. Reminds me of Frampton against Quigg, Frampton had no energy from round 7 odd on but is a different man at FW.
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Good fight. Are we back in a good era for the sweet science after a good few years of rubbish?
We thanking Eddie Hearn?
Partly he seems to be at the van guard of putting good fights together. But I actually think Dana White could be as responsible, (indirectly of course)
I like Eddie Hearn think he does a great job for boxing plus he doesn't take himself overly serious in the media and his interviews are always entertaining especially with that IFL TV.
Groves fight was good too. Interesting to see where he goes now there seems plenty of options in that division.
Any of youse been watching the show about the mcguigans? Good watch. Last episode this week.
Eddie Hearn has brought big fight nights back which is great after a few years in the doldrums.
It's his job and of course he is making a lot of money out of it and why shouldn't he?
Getting booed because of the 'cheeky chappie' image he has IMO
McGuigan documentary brilliant. Looking forward to the 3rd show. Hope Cummings achieves his goal!
Shane's woman is some bit of gear
And Fr Darcy got the job of marrying them.... The man loves celebrities
Quote from: Gaffer on May 28, 2017, 03:44:13 PM
And Fr Darcy got the job of marrying them.... The man loves celebrities
Sure he's one himself.
Burnett is a bit of a beast
Split decision my hole, what drugs was that judge on. Musta been a mess up there.
Had to have been marking the scorecard the wrong way around. That's the only explanation that I can think of
Had to be. Great boxer and fella
Yeah Eddie Hearn said he got the fighters mixed up and genuinely thought Burnett was Haskins. Lucky the fight wasn't close. He should get the road after that.
I'm far from a boxing aficionado, but this is good stuff...especially the first round
Hearns v Hagler 1985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mILPqwesNE
Just goes to show that the mixing up of scorecards probably happens a lot and in alot of cases goes un-noticed unless its a shutout like the fight the other night. Can't wait for Ward Kovalev this weekend.
Frampton to annouced his next opponent at 1pm today. Havent heard many rumours, just that it isnt Selby as he has a mandatory.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 14, 2017, 10:19:01 AM
Frampton to annouced his next opponent at 1pm today. Havent heard many rumours, just that it isnt Selby as he has a mandatory.
Hearing a Mexican fighter
Apparently it will be Andres Gutierrez.
Would be class if it was Valdez though, doesn't get mentioned alot when it comes to the big fights at FW.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 14, 2017, 11:41:26 AM
Apparently it will be Andres Gutierrez.
Would be class if it was Valdez though, doesn't get mentioned alot when it comes to the big fights at FW.
Gutierrez it is. Never saw him before. He looks to have a great record for only being 23.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 14, 2017, 02:18:55 PM
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Apparently it will be Andres Gutierrez.
Would be class if it was Valdez though, doesn't get mentioned alot when it comes to the big fights at FW.
Gutierrez it is. Never saw him before. He looks to have a great record for only being 23.
Bit of a joke at this stage of his career though, trying to sell it as a WBC eliminator yet you would imagine it would be against one of the top 2 or 3 fighters ranked by that organisation yet he isn't in the top 15. Why not fight GRJ?
Yeah it feels a bit like he wasnt able to make any of the big fights at this stage and he's just taking this one to keep active
Quote from: lurganblue on June 14, 2017, 03:30:45 PM
Yeah it feels a bit like he wasnt able to make any of the big fights at this stage and he's just taking this one to keep active
Aye, he needs paid too I suppose. Warrington is ranked high by the WBC and that could have been marketed well on these shores.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 14, 2017, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 14, 2017, 03:30:45 PM
Yeah it feels a bit like he wasnt able to make any of the big fights at this stage and he's just taking this one to keep active
Aye, he needs paid too I suppose. Warrington is ranked high by the WBC and that could have been marketed well on these shores.
Nothing wrong in taking this fight, fans looking a home fight after the few he's had away, boosts (should he win) his confidence after the last fight in Vegas and sets him up with a shot at the better ranked fighters...
Carl probably has at least 6 fights, will take 3 wins to get a title fight possibly (harder as a challenger).. This will entice other fighters due to the money made from the tv and fight fans going to watch, a no brainer really
McGregor v Mayweather confirmed for 26th August!
So Floyd v McGrogor is apparently official. 26th of August. Build up should be a laugh though the fight will be a laughing stock!
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 14, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
So Floyd v McGrogor is apparently official. 26th of August. Build up should be a laugh though the fight will be a laughing stock!
Either of them won't care about that when they are counting their dollars!
Fight will get some press, be interesting to see how McGregor fares
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Quote from: BennyHarp on June 14, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
So Floyd v McGrogor is apparently official. 26th of August. Build up should be a laugh though the fight will be a laughing stock!
Either of them won't care about that when they are counting their dollars!
Fight will get some press, be interesting to see how McGregor fares
Badly I would say, unless they arrange to keep it competitive so they can have a rematch
What's the early predictions on this then? Mayweather win obviously but early knock out, what?
Has McGregor any chance? Could Mayweather take his left if he hit him plum?
Would love to see McGregor fire the boot to the head during the fight. As for his left, the boxing gloves will be heavier than what we are used to seeing him wear.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 14, 2017, 11:14:27 PM
Would love to see McGregor fire the boot to the head during the fight. As for his left, the boxing gloves will be heavier than what we are used to seeing him wear.
If he does that I imagine hell get to enjoy the inside of a Nevada prison for a few years.
Right lads enuff off this circus carryon, Ward Kovalev 2 this weekend
Think Ward will have learnt alot after the losing the first fight :P and he may nick it this time. Also Kovalev's camp seems to be in a wee bit of disarray. but we will see. Gonna be rubbish anyway, in fact cast iron guarantee that it will be with Ward involved, I would rather watch Mayweather.
Tho read a good article about it somewhere and it says that the problem was there was a lot of even rounds in the fight that could have gone either way depending on your interpretation. Ward was given alot of these whereas Kovalev was clear winner in the rounds that he took. Which I actually agree with even tho I think Kovalev was the clear winner.
Anyway the article proposed a 9.5 score for even rounds or less pressure on judges to pick a winner
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 16, 2017, 08:42:49 PM
Right lads enuff off this circus carryon, Ward Kovalev 2 this weekend
Think Ward will have learnt alot after the losing the first fight :P and he may nick it this time. Also Kovalev's camp seems to be in a wee bit of disarray. but we will see. Gonna be rubbish anyway, in fact cast iron guarantee that it will be with Ward involved, I would rather watch Mayweather.
Tho read a good article about it somewhere and it says that the problem was there was a lot of even rounds in the fight that could have gone either way depending on your interpretation. Ward was given alot of these whereas Kovalev was clear winner in the rounds that he took. Which I actually agree with even tho I think Kovalev was the clear winner.
Anyway the article proposed a 9.5 score for even rounds or less pressure on judges to pick a winner
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The first fight was excellent.
I though Kovalev won the first fight. Hopefully he wins tonight. Are we looking at 6 on the button?
Fuk me
5 low blows disgraceful from ref...if the fight was to be stopped it should have been for a disqualification
Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 18, 2017, 09:47:09 AM
Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body.
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
Ward is just a better boxer. Gets a lot of stick but he's brilliant and knows how to win.
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Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body. balls
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
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Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body. balls
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
For the finish? Didn't hit him in the balls once.
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Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body. balls
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
For the finish? Didn't hit him in the balls once.
https://twitter.com/exnflscout/status/876322388086009856 (https://twitter.com/exnflscout/status/876322388086009856)
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Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body. balls
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
For the finish? Didn't hit him in the balls once.
Your right he didnt hit him once he hit him three times at the finish, not to mention once in the 8th before hand and in the 7th both of which went unpunished, as well in a earlier round which Weeks warned him for. Kovalev should have hit him back in the same place thats what a crappy dirty boxer like Ward brings the sport too.
Kovalev was ahead in a tight fight before the unpunished low blows, he was fighting on the inside unlike last time and probably shading it there. But it was his jab was doing the trick.
At the finish his face when Weeks was calling it off was off worry that he was disqualified before he realised. It reminded him of the announcement of the first fight when he thought he lost.
Normally I dont mind a dirty boxer if he's honest dirty (Sean Porter). P4P my hole Ward can't f**king box, he grabs, rabbit punches, kidney punches, low blows not to mention that he would sicken your hole to look at and listen to.
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Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body. balls
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
For the finish? Didn't hit him in the balls once.
Your right he didnt hit him once he hit him three times at the finish, not to mention once in the 8th before hand and in the 7th both of which went unpunished, as well in a earlier round which Weeks warned him for. Kovalev should have hit him back in the same place thats what a crappy dirty boxer like Ward brings the sport too.
Kovalev was ahead in a tight fight before the unpunished low blows, he was fighting on the inside unlike last time and probably shading it there. But it was his jab was doing the trick.
At the finish his face when Weeks was calling it off was off worry that he was disqualified before he realised. It reminded him of the announcement of the first fight when he thought he lost.
Normally I dont mind a dirty boxer if he's honest dirty (Sean Porter). P4P my hole Ward can't f**king box, he grabs, rabbit punches, kidney punches, low blows not to mention that he would sicken your hole to look at and listen to.
Haha ffs he's been top 3 P4P for years now. And I had Ward winning handy enough before the stoppage, Kovalev was badly hurt just before it as well. Shit stoppage by the ref all the same.
Ffs, the one he cracked him before the right to the head was square on the belt. Low blow my f**king hole. Pack of whingy bastards. The gift posted above on the Twitter link similarly isn't a low blow.
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Watched it there 'as live', disappointing end with plenty of points of contention. There'll have to be a 3rd.
Premature stoppage but brilliant closing out by Ward. Absolutely ripped him to the body. balls
Can't see any appetite for a third now that it's 2-0. Another very good fight though.
For the finish? Didn't hit him in the balls once.
Your right he didnt hit him once he hit him three times at the finish, not to mention once in the 8th before hand and in the 7th both of which went unpunished, as well in a earlier round which Weeks warned him for. Kovalev should have hit him back in the same place thats what a crappy dirty boxer like Ward brings the sport too.
Kovalev was ahead in a tight fight before the unpunished low blows, he was fighting on the inside unlike last time and probably shading it there. But it was his jab was doing the trick.
At the finish his face when Weeks was calling it off was off worry that he was disqualified before he realised. It reminded him of the announcement of the first fight when he thought he lost.
Normally I dont mind a dirty boxer if he's honest dirty (Sean Porter). P4P my hole Ward can't f**king box, he grabs, rabbit punches, kidney punches, low blows not to mention that he would sicken your hole to look at and listen to.
Haha ffs he's been top 3 P4P for years now. And I had Ward winning handy enough before the stoppage, Kovalev was badly hurt just before it as well. Shit stoppage by the ref all the same.
Handy enough? Most cards I have seen had Kovalev ahead in a tight fight. What fight were you watching? Do you include half assed kidney punches on the break as scoring punches?
Quote from: gallsman on June 18, 2017, 09:25:54 PM
Ffs, the one he cracked him before the right to the head was square on the belt. Low blow my f**king hole. Pack of whingy b**tards. The gift posted above on the Twitter link similarly isn't a low blow.
LOL I love you to talk us thru that one ::)
Ward was getting on top without a doubt in that fight. Kovalev knew it too and was whinging about low blows which weren't even low at times. Ward breaks down his opponents in a near surgical way - look at the Carl Froch fight for a classic example. For me, Kovalev had done well early on but just like in the first fight, as they approached the championship rounds, Ward was beginning to get the better of him. I've always been a huge Ward fan, I'd love to see him move to cruiserweight but talk of Joshua is a bit mental.
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Ffs, the one he cracked him before the right to the head was square on the belt. Low blow my f**king hole. Pack of whingy b**tards. The gift posted above on the Twitter link similarly isn't a low blow.
LOL I love you to talk us thru that one ::)
I'm not sure if you've ever studied anatomy or not, but my dick isn't growing out of my stomach. The punch is half on the belt ffs.
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Ffs, the one he cracked him before the right to the head was square on the belt. Low blow my f**king hole. Pack of whingy b**tards. The gift posted above on the Twitter link similarly isn't a low blow.
LOL I love you to talk us thru that one ::)
I'm not sure if you've ever studied anatomy or not, but my dick isn't growing out of my stomach. The punch is half on the belt ffs.
Your deluded when there is video evidence right in fornt of you.
He hit the B on his shorts FFS any lower and he would have been hitting fresh air.
Ward is a dirty bastard and shite to watch too boot. I think a lot of people can't see past his Olympic gold.
If the B on Kovalev's shorts is where your dick is, I suggest you go and see your doctor pretty quickly.
Didn't see all of Barnes fight but he struggled throughout !
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If the B on Kovalev's shorts is where your dick is, I suggest you go and see your doctor pretty quickly.
You are quite knowlegable about boxing and I read your posts with interest on this thread, but on this your reverting to talking the complete shite you do on other threads, whatever lovein you have for Ward is just weird.
That punch was as clear on the crown jewels as you can get the video says it all. nuff said
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If the B on Kovalev's shorts is where your dick is, I suggest you go and see your doctor pretty quickly.
You are quite knowlegable about boxing and I read your posts with interest on this thread, but on this your reverting to talking the complete shite you do on other threads, whatever lovein you have for Ward is just weird.
That punch was as clear on the crown jewels as you can get the video says it all. nuff said
No it isn't ffs!
If anything the ref did Kovalev a favour as he was done at that stage. I think the punch count was about 20 punches to 2 in that last bit of the fight. Ward is a winner and does whatever he needs to do to get the job done, just like a lot of the best fighters do. The dark arts is all part of it. Your hatred of Ward is blinding you to how good he is.
Anyway, I don't really care that much to argue about it on a forum.
Paddy Barnes wasn't great in his fight. Too old and not suited to the pro game.
Quote from: JimStynes on June 18, 2017, 11:18:44 PM
If anything the ref did Kovalev a favour as he was done at that stage. I think the punch count was about 20 punches to 2 in that last bit of the fight. Ward is a winner and does whatever he needs to do to get the job done, just like a lot of the best fighters do. The dark arts is all part of it. Your hatred of Ward is blinding you to how good he is.
Anyway, I don't really care that much to argue about it on a forum.
Paddy Barnes wasn't great in his fight. Too old and not suited to the pro game.
If not then why bother even replying?
I hate Ward cos hes shite to watch and a slabber, a sneaky dishonest crappy boxer. I dislike Mayweather for the same reasons but he at least a great fighter.
Ward was getting beat, he starting punching his opponent in the balls, changed the fight around, so he kept doing it and got away with it until he KOd his man with an oustanding 3 ball combo. He should have no bother beating Anthony Joshua or anyone else with the same tactics.
Rigo fight declared no contest for an after the bell KO.....Tony Weeks admitted his mistake......
Ward is now a "crappy boxer". f**k, you're some eejit.
I assumed it was a time out break tbh when the fight was stopped because of the low digs, while Kovalev was getting it tough that round for sure I certainly didn't think he was done. Kovalev was pushing his luck with the constant yapping which was undoubtedly a tactic to put pressure on the ref, but in the end it backfired spectacularly.
The B on Kovalev's shorts is definitely low. Disgrace that Ward was allowed to get away with this more than a couple of times and the finish was a disgrace. Ward is very hard to like and his fighting style is as entertaining as watching Stoke City.
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Ffs, the one he cracked him before the right to the head was square on the belt. Low blow my f**king hole. Pack of whingy b**tards. The gift posted above on the Twitter link similarly isn't a low blow.
LOL I love you to talk us thru that one ::)
I'm not sure if you've ever studied anatomy or not, but my dick isn't growing out of my stomach. The punch is half on the belt ffs.
Your deluded when there is video evidence right in fornt of you.
He hit the B on his shorts FFS any lower and he would have been hitting fresh air.
Ward is a dirty b**tard and shite to watch too boot. I think a lot of people can't see past his Olympic gold.
I had no real opinion on Ward until this fight and for people to say he did not hit his man low is a disgrace, he is a dirty bastard based on.......... I dont know, the evidence!
He is good enough to not need to do this shit but I am looking forward to him getting his arse handed to him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 19, 2017, 08:45:54 AM
The B on Kovalev's shorts is definitely low. Disgrace that Ward was allowed to get away with this more than a couple of times and the finish was a disgrace. Ward is very hard to like and his fighting style is as entertaining as watching Stoke City.
Exactly. Doesn't have to be actually on the groin to be low. The last 3 punches were in the low region. 3rd last was low, 2nd last was on the belt line (so fine), last was low. Quite ridiculous that the ref didn't see it.
Would have been a very exciting end to the fight if the ref hadn't made such a balls of it. While Ward was clearly getting on top, a 1 point deduction and a 5 minute rest could have put things back in the melting pot. As we saw with Joshua and Kiltschko, if the ref doesn't jump the gun, top class fighters can make recoveries.
Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
Yeah i suppose you are right. It's just ive never seen a stopage quite like it. You regularly see the ref step in when a lad is gettin the head beat off him and not throwing back but this was something different altogether. Again not having seen the whole lot, was kovalev in serious enough trouble to warrant the stopage?
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
Yeah i suppose you are right. It's just ive never seen a stopage quite like it. You regularly see the ref step in when a lad is gettin the head beat off him and not throwing back but this was something different altogether. Again not having seen the whole lot, was kovalev in serious enough trouble to warrant the stopage?
Kovalev was only in trouble due to low shots. Wasn't in serious enough bother for it to be stopped.
This makes Buchanan Duran look like a tickle and that has hounded Duran to this day. Having watched it again Ward was going low the whole time from r7 on, I reckon it was Kovalev was meeting and matching him on the inside so he had to do something.
Would love for someone to tell me what is so great about Ward..... seriously tell me some aspects of his style that you actually enjoy watching.
Sad day for boxing not because he lost fight 1, or repeated punched his opponent in the balls in fight 2. but because he is now considered the undisputed p4p champion. The frustrating thing is, Boxing has some great fighters at the moment GGG, Lomachenko, Spence, Rigo, Garcia, Thurman, Canelo.... all of whom are a joy to watch but somehow grapple-hold-bitch is deemed the best.... wud drive ye mad.
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
Yeah i suppose you are right. It's just ive never seen a stopage quite like it. You regularly see the ref step in when a lad is gettin the head beat off him and not throwing back but this was something different altogether. Again not having seen the whole lot, was kovalev in serious enough trouble to warrant the stopage?
Kovalev was only in trouble due to low shots. Wasn't in serious enough bother for it to be stopped.
Ah come on did you see the right hand he shipped? Flush on the jaw and he was all over the show.
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
Yeah i suppose you are right. It's just ive never seen a stopage quite like it. You regularly see the ref step in when a lad is gettin the head beat off him and not throwing back but this was something different altogether. Again not having seen the whole lot, was kovalev in serious enough trouble to warrant the stopage?
Kovalev was only in trouble due to low shots. Wasn't in serious enough bother for it to be stopped.
Ah come on did you see the right hand he shipped? Flush on the jaw and he was all over the show.
Yeah he set the punch up rightly with all the low blows before hand, Kovalev was unsettled by them not to mention that he didn't know where the best place was to protect.
It was the hardest cleanest punch Ive ever seen Ward give anyone, he gave it everything and he staggered Kovalev a bit, but at that weight a prize fighter hits any1 like that and it should be lights out, "all over the show" is just nonsense. The fact that Ward kept going to the balls tells me that he knew his legal shots would have no affect.
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
Yeah i suppose you are right. It's just ive never seen a stopage quite like it. You regularly see the ref step in when a lad is gettin the head beat off him and not throwing back but this was something different altogether. Again not having seen the whole lot, was kovalev in serious enough trouble to warrant the stopage?
Kovalev was only in trouble due to low shots. Wasn't in serious enough bother for it to be stopped.
Ah come on did you see the right hand he shipped? Flush on the jaw and he was all over the show.
Of course the right hand was a big shot and had him in trouble, but it was the low blow before this that had him open for the right hand.
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This makes Buchanan Duran look like a tickle and that has hounded Duran to this day. Having watched it again Ward was going low the whole time from r7 on, I reckon it was Kovalev was meeting and matching him on the inside so he had to do something.
Would love for someone to tell me what is so great about Ward..... seriously tell me some aspects of his style that you actually enjoy watching.
Sad day for boxing not because he lost fight 1, or repeated punched his opponent in the balls in fight 2. but because he is now considered the undisputed p4p champion. The frustrating thing is, Boxing has some great fighters at the moment GGG, Lomachenko, Spence, Rigo, Garcia, Thurman, Canelo.... all of whom are a joy to watch but somehow grapple-hold-bitch is deemed the best.... wud drive ye mad.
I've the same view on Wards place among the P4P ratings. You have the like of Lomachenko who is out of this world and boxes like a thing of beauty, then you have Ward who wrestles and holds nearly more than he punches.
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Poor from the ref. Now ive only seen clips but they looked like low blows to me. But even if the ref believed they were fair should he not then have went to a count?
No such thing as standing 8 count in the Unified Boxing Rules, so if the man being hit is not defedning himself properly, but still on his feet, then the only way the ref can interfere is by calling it off. The little bit of wriggle room is if the ref says it's only the ropes holding him up and that therefore technically he is down.
Kovalev, knowing that he was hit low, should have taken a knee.
Yeah i suppose you are right. It's just ive never seen a stopage quite like it. You regularly see the ref step in when a lad is gettin the head beat off him and not throwing back but this was something different altogether. Again not having seen the whole lot, was kovalev in serious enough trouble to warrant the stopage?
Kovalev was only in trouble due to low shots. Wasn't in serious enough bother for it to be stopped.
Ah come on did you see the right hand he shipped? Flush on the jaw and he was all over the show.
Of course the right hand was a big shot and had him in trouble, but it was the low blow before this that had him open for the right hand.
That punch was right on the belt line. The belt covers his belly button ffs.
Steve Collins Vs Nigel Benn 3...
God help us if this actually happens.
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Steve Collins Vs Nigel Benn 3...
God help us if this actually happens.
Just read that . . . what the f**k?? Boxing was starting to come out of the doldrums a bit but this and McGregor Mayweather isn't going to help things!!
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Steve Collins Vs Nigel Benn 3...
God help us if this actually happens.
To be fair the gypos fight at this age all the time!
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Steve Collins Vs Nigel Benn 3...
God help us if this actually happens.
Just read that . . . what the f**k?? Boxing was starting to come out of the doldrums a bit but this and McGregor Mayweather isn't going to help things!!
This idea that happening on a few good match-ups meant boxing was getting better is madness. The mafia-like boxing associations and the fact the sport is entirely controlled by big promoters is a hell of a lot more damaging to the sport than McGregor-Mayweather or any other fight could ever be.
Steve Collins (52) v Nigel Benn
(53) WTF fight that would be.
Pac Man beat by Horn..holy shit
Thought Pac had it in the bag
Lot of controversy about the Pacquiao fight. Didn't see it - any opinions here?
Didn't see it but that's a couple of times that has happened to Pac now. He was completely robbed in his fight with Timothy Bradley a few years ago. He should have retired by now anyway, he's nothing to prove!
117-111 was too wide but general consensus was that Horn did enough to win.
Boxnation guys had Horn winning by a couple
Pacquiao landed three times as many punches ffs. Horn was game but limited. In saying that, Pacquiao should be retired by now and would have beat this boy easy in his prime.
Quote from: tintin25 on July 02, 2017, 10:11:40 AM
117-111 was too wide but general consensus was that Horn did enough to win.
Boxnation guys had Horn winning by a couple
General consensus was anything but. ESPN had it 117-111 for Pacquiao.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 02, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
Pacquiao landed three times as many punches ffs. Horn was game but limited. In saying that, Pacquiao should be retired by now and would have beat this boy easy in his prime.
Are stats like that not misleading? Boxing is scored round by round. You could throw 100 punches to the opppnents 10 in one round and you only win that one round. I didn't see the fight so mightn't be the case in this one but just pointing out.
Quote from: square_ball on July 02, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 02, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
Pacquiao landed three times as many punches ffs. Horn was game but limited. In saying that, Pacquiao should be retired by now and would have beat this boy easy in his prime.
Are stats like that not misleading? Boxing is scored round by round. You could throw 100 punches to the opppnents 10 in one round and you only win that one round. I didn't see the fight so mightn't be the case in this one but just pointing out.
They're not misleading as such - they are indicative of how a fight went, but not decisive.
US commentators had Manny winning, UK commentators had Horn winning it.
First 6 rounds were tough to score. 3 of them were easy enough, being 2-1 to Horn. But other 3 were very tight and hard to score, so could have been anything from 5-1 to Horn to 4-2 to Manny. The UK co-comm had it 4-2 Horn, the UK main commenator had it 5-1 to Horn, the US TV had it 4-2 for Manny.
Manny got on top for the middle rounds, without being dominant. But then the 9th round looked key, where Manny was really on top and looked like Horn had gassed and was gone. Ref even came to the corner and said if he doesn't show much in the next round, he would stop it.
But Horn then dug really deep and put in a great effort from then on. Clearly won 10 and 12, and probably 11 too.
For me, Horn was deserving winner.
Quote from: gallsman on July 02, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 02, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 02, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
Pacquiao landed three times as many punches ffs. Horn was game but limited. In saying that, Pacquiao should be retired by now and would have beat this boy easy in his prime.
Are stats like that not misleading? Boxing is scored round by round. You could throw 100 punches to the opppnents 10 in one round and you only win that one round. I didn't see the fight so mightn't be the case in this one but just pointing out.
They're not misleading as such - they are indicative of how a fight went, but not decisive.
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2016, 07:03:44 AM
Compubox doesn't score rounds, judges do. It's not amateur boxing. The decision came about as a result of the the fine margins of boxing. Nothing to do with a homer decision.
How'd Michael Conlon do?
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2017, 08:42:11 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 02, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 02, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 02, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
Pacquiao landed three times as many punches ffs. Horn was game but limited. In saying that, Pacquiao should be retired by now and would have beat this boy easy in his prime.
Are stats like that not misleading? Boxing is scored round by round. You could throw 100 punches to the opppnents 10 in one round and you only win that one round. I didn't see the fight so mightn't be the case in this one but just pointing out.
They're not misleading as such - they are indicative of how a fight went, but not decisive.
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2016, 07:03:44 AM
Compubox doesn't score rounds, judges do. It's not amateur boxing. The decision came about as a result of the the fine margins of boxing. Nothing to do with a homer decision.
You do understand what the word indicative means, yes?
Quote from: gallsman on July 02, 2017, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 02, 2017, 08:42:11 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 02, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 02, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 02, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
Pacquiao landed three times as many punches ffs. Horn was game but limited. In saying that, Pacquiao should be retired by now and would have beat this boy easy in his prime.
Are stats like that not misleading? Boxing is scored round by round. You could throw 100 punches to the opppnents 10 in one round and you only win that one round. I didn't see the fight so mightn't be the case in this one but just pointing out.
They're not misleading as such - they are indicative of how a fight went, but not decisive.
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2016, 07:03:44 AM
Compubox doesn't score rounds, judges do. It's not amateur boxing. The decision came about as a result of the the fine margins of boxing. Nothing to do with a homer decision.
You do understand what the word indicative means, yes?
Enlighten us lesser mortals?
And wile your at it define contradictory
The statements aren't contradictory you complete gluebag.
Who said they were?
Whats a gluebag?
Quote from: Targetman on July 02, 2017, 09:56:16 PM
How'd Michael Conlon do?
Conlon did fine. His Aussie opponent had a reputation as a come-forward fighter, which they were hoping for, but he ended up being very defensive. Conlon was calm, composed, patient. Finally pinned him down in the 3rd, hit him a beaut of a bodyshot, and the ref jumped in fairly early to save the Aussie from getting some real punishment.
Job done. Probably the best of his 3 performances to date.
Quote from: Hound on July 03, 2017, 08:23:57 AM
Quote from: Targetman on July 02, 2017, 09:56:16 PM
How'd Michael Conlon do?
Conlon did fine. His Aussie opponent had a reputation as a come-forward fighter, which they were hoping for, but he ended up being very defensive. Conlon was calm, composed, patient. Finally pinned him down in the 3rd, hit him a beaut of a bodyshot, and the ref jumped in fairly early to save the Aussie from getting some real punishment.
Job done. Probably the best of his 3 performances to date.
Another fight where he will gain experience, seemed a bit naive when the aussie stopped defending himself and instead of fighting on he looked to the ref, which he shouldn't have done. Good lesson learnt.
I had Horn winning it. Just.
Conlan was impressive. Thank f**k he didn't come out looking like a Leprechaun again.
Josh Taylor several levels above Davies. Very impressive performance.
How will the Eubank fight go tonight? Any idea what time it's on. May look for a stream as don't wanna pay £16!!
Probably Eubank on points. Cacace fighting too although I'm wondering if I've missed it. Davies Jr on at the minute.
Eubank very impressive tonight but wasn't able to get the KO... This super series sounds very interesting does anyone know why DeGale isn't in it??
He needs surgery, dunno why the Mexican champion is not in though. Eubank is one that has annoyed me for years, as IMO he has it all but has stalled. Exciting times ahead.
Frampton misses weight by 1lb for tomorrow night - fight still going ahead - loses eliminator status though
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
Frampton misses weight by 1lb for tomorrow night - fight still going ahead - loses eliminator status though
Yeah bad craic, something wrong there... very unprofessional, surely over the last few days they'd have known he was struggling to make weight??
Not good at featherweight. Suggests taking this very lightly or else struggling with the weight, which would be a big worry as he's not big enough for super feather.
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2017, 04:11:16 PM
Not good at featherweight. Suggests taking this very lightly or else struggling with the weight, which would be a big worry as he's not big enough for super feather.
Yeah lightly was one view I took on it... been very negative lately about retiring if he didn't win... he'd have been I'd say at least 4 pounds over leading up to this week... he's never had this problem before
I'm in London at the minute, there's a full wraparound cover on the main London paper The Evening Standard promoting the fight. I was quite surprised as I didn't Frampton would be a name over here..
Interview with McGuigan in today's paper suggested that Frampton had a poor enough start to his training camp and only this past few weeks has shown what he is capable of. McGuigan's talk was very much about Selby and eventually Santa Cruz 3. Can't imagine they'd allow complacency to set in now if they still have a couple of big pay days ahead of them.
He's getting a right bit of stick on twitter. But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really mean too much surely? Unless of course he is genuinely struggling at the weight?
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2017, 05:39:32 PM
I'm in London at the minute, there's a full wraparound cover on the main London paper The Evening Standard promoting the fight. I was quite surprised as I didn't Frampton would be a name over here..
Double world champion wouldn't be popular in London?? Strange? He headlined New York and Vegas, be a big push by the brits to push for a Selby Frampton fight
Quote from: square_ball on July 28, 2017, 06:42:12 PM
He's getting a right bit of stick on twitter. But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really mean too much surely? Unless of course he is genuinely struggling at the weight?
He'll lose a percentage of his purse, lost the eliminator to the title fight (was that on purpose) he's also lost some credibility from the other fighters to.... known Carl for years he's never had to worry about weight, moved up a weight when his body wouldn't stick to last weight, this would be his natural weight!
Would need to look at the prep here, a bit embarrassing from the Cyclone promotions too
He doesn't need credibility from them, just to beat the holes off them. Storm in a teacup.
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Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2017, 05:39:32 PM
I'm in London at the minute, there's a full wraparound cover on the main London paper The Evening Standard promoting the fight. I was quite surprised as I didn't Frampton would be a name over here..
Double world champion wouldn't be popular in London?? Strange? He headlined New York and Vegas, be a big push by the brits to push for a Selby Frampton fight
Popular certainly amongst clued up boxing fans didn't think he'd be mainstream enough.. Wasn't a criticism of him I'm a huge fan but I was genuinely surprised, can't find an online pic of it to post a link
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2017, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2017, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2017, 05:39:32 PM
I'm in London at the minute, there's a full wraparound cover on the main London paper The Evening Standard promoting the fight. I was quite surprised as I didn't Frampton would be a name over here..
Double world champion wouldn't be popular in London?? Strange? He headlined New York and Vegas, be a big push by the brits to push for a Selby Frampton fight
Popular certainly amongst clued up boxing fans didn't think he'd be mainstream enough.. Wasn't a criticism of him I'm a huge fan but I was genuinely surprised, can't find an online pic of it to post a link
Would agree. There is little doubt the vast majority of Londoners wouldn't know or care about him. I take it the wraparound was paid for by McGuigan? Maybe paving the way for the Selby fight McGuigan says will be over there.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 28, 2017, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2017, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2017, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: Boycey on July 28, 2017, 05:39:32 PM
I'm in London at the minute, there's a full wraparound cover on the main London paper The Evening Standard promoting the fight. I was quite surprised as I didn't Frampton would be a name over here..
Double world champion wouldn't be popular in London?? Strange? He headlined New York and Vegas, be a big push by the brits to push for a Selby Frampton fight
Popular certainly amongst clued up boxing fans didn't think he'd be mainstream enough.. Wasn't a criticism of him I'm a huge fan but I was genuinely surprised, can't find an online pic of it to post a link
Would agree. There is little doubt the vast majority of Londoners wouldn't know or care about him. I take it the wraparound was paid for by McGuigan? Maybe paving the way for the Selby fight McGuigan says will be over there.
I suppose another way of looking at is that if he was mainstream enough they wouldn't have had to do the ad. I think also the fight is on Channel 5, maybe they paid some of the ad?
Follow the boxing a fair bit, on another discussion board specifically for boxing and the consensus coming from there that its a business move by Cyclone. "If you seriously believe he couldn't make the weight you are deluded. He was close enough to the weight that the fight went ahead and more than likely there was no stipulation in the contract regarding loss of money per lb over. This allows him to avoid fighting Russell as a mandatory for less money 30/70 purse in the states and fight Selby as a voluntary for the IBF in the UK for a 50/50 purse. If he wanted to he could have taken the option to make the weight and weigh in again."
Plot twist - event now cancelled altogether. The Mexican was in an accident?!
Quote from: Man Marker on July 28, 2017, 09:41:13 PM
Follow the boxing a fair bit, on another discussion board specifically for boxing and the consensus coming from there that its a business move by Cyclone. "If you seriously believe he couldn't make the weight you are deluded. He was close enough to the weight that the fight went ahead and more than likely there was no stipulation in the contract regarding loss of money per lb over. This allows him to avoid fighting Russell as a mandatory for less money 30/70 purse in the states and fight Selby as a voluntary for the IBF in the UK for a 50/50 purse. If he wanted to he could have taken the option to make the weight and weigh in again."
I hate this conspiracy shît.
Ah ffs, what are they at. Complete shambles.
Desperate stuff altogether ! Could be a big fall out here
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2017, 10:25:21 PM
Desperate stuff altogether ! Could be a big fall out here
McGuigans are all going to get awful stick for this.
Just seen photo of the Mexican! Has fallen in the shower!! Wtf, badly cut nose and chin !
Picture of Guttierez
https://twitter.com/thomaskane1/status/891045475184496641
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
Picture of Guttierez
https://twitter.com/thomaskane1/status/891045475184496641
Nose cut up bad also
Some damage for a fall in the shower. Did he have a garden rake in their with him?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 28, 2017, 11:08:18 PM
Some damage for a fall in the shower. Did he have a garden rake in their with him?
Surely you mean a hoe...
Fell in the shower my hole. Got told what round he was to go down in more like and that's what you get when you refuse such people.
The Rah must be low on cash so. Conspiracy conspiracy, around every corner.
Bad weekend for Framps, but it's only a footnote in his career.
Katie 1/200 with PP tonight
Garcia a class apart from Broner last night.
Rumours on Twitter that Frampton has split with Cyclone and is going to Matchroom
That would be one messy divorce from Cyclone. Where would that leave Shane McGuigan? Surely he'll not split from him?
Reading on twitter people have discovered in resigned as a director of Cycline Pronotions last week. Strange goings on. Looks like it's the end with Frampton/Cyclone anyway.
I was reading that on Twitter assuming he re-signed as a Director???
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2017, 11:42:00 PM
I was reading that on Twitter assuming he re-signed as a Director???
I thought he'd done that also, but a while back, this could be very costly in the long run for both parties if it's happening... there was/is a genuine respect and love between families... I've been to a few functions and Barry and his whole family have been there, and from the outside looking in everything seemed grand, only lately have I picked up on some discord...
Think it may stem from a few things, the first state side fight in Texas, not as many fights as Carl wanted or promised, and maybe a reluctantance by Barry for Carl to fight certain fighters he wanted...
Hopefully this isn't history repeating itself, I don't think this time it's about money though...
Surely he wouldn't go back to Matchroom? Barry would have a fit. Though having said that, they are the guys putting on the big shows in the UK.
Quote from: gallsman on July 30, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Garcia a class apart from Broner last night.
He was, couldn't put him away tho, power gone with weight?
Tho Broner's a renowed chin.... and a total knob
I was thinking on Friday that something mustn't be right in the McGuigan/Frampton camp. The fact that he was fighting a nobody at this stage in his career, on ch5 and not box office, not at the venue of his choice and came in overweight all pointed to something being wrong. Cyclone trying to sell the fight as some sort of title eliminator was balls too. He recently held one of the FW belts and could easily have got a shot at another, plus he was no.1 ranked with the WBC anyway.
Just looking through twitter, where have these rumours come from? It doesn't seem to be reported by anyone particularly reliable! By the looks of the info from customs house Barry has resigned from Cyclone promotions too, so maybe not too much to be read into that? Perhaps people are adding up all the events of the past few days and arriving at their own conclusions? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/NI619080/officers
Yeah I was looking through twitter this morning again and a few posts have been deleted since last night including one from an Irish News reporter. Though I see from that companies house link that Barry resigned a few years back but maybe its just coincidental Carl resigning too.
It wouldn't be the worse move for Frampton if it did turn out to be true. He is at a crossroads in his career and at this stage he is fighting in meaningless fights like this guy he was due to fight at the weekend. Surely he can't be happy with this?
Looks like there'll be no re-match with AJ. He'll still go down as one of the greats. An 11 year wining streak is mightily impressive, however, for some reason, I was never massively convinced by him. Perhaps if was how himself and his brother seemed to suck the life out of the whole heavyweight division.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10971853/wladimir-klitschko-announces-retirement-from-boxing
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
Looks like there'll be no re-match with AJ. He'll still go down as one of the greats. An 11 year wining streak is mightily impressive, however, for some reason, I was never massively convinced by him. Perhaps if was how himself and his brother seemed to suck the life out of the whole heavyweight division.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10971853/wladimir-klitschko-announces-retirement-from-boxing
They were so dominant Benny it meant all of their fights were boring and the public lost interest in the HW division.
AJ is different in that he leaves himself open to get hit more often than not = more excitement for public
Quote from: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
Looks like there'll be no re-match with AJ. He'll still go down as one of the greats. An 11 year wining streak is mightily impressive, however, for some reason, I was never massively convinced by him. Perhaps if was how himself and his brother seemed to suck the life out of the whole heavyweight division.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10971853/wladimir-klitschko-announces-retirement-from-boxing
They were so dominant Benny it meant all of their fights were boring and the public lost interest in the HW division.
AJ is different in that he leaves himself open to get hit more often than not = more excitement for public
Wlad will go down as an all time great and he will go out with as much respect as anyone could following a knock-out defeat. His size and reach advantages enabled him to beat all challengers over the past decade and a bit but I always believed he would be found out when those advantages were negated. Still, hard not to admire the way he has carried himself and represented the sport. The brother was better though.
Amir Khan letting rip on Twitter about AJ banging his missus.
Quote from: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
Amir Khan letting rip on Twitter about AJ banging his missus.
So why shouldn't AJ bang his missus? Isn't that what marriage is all about?
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Quote from: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
Amir Khan letting rip on Twitter about AJ banging his missus.
So why shouldn't AJ bang his missus? Isn't that what marriage is all about?
Sure is......if it was his own Mrs and not Khans
His missus tweets are much more entertaining
She is fairly letting rip now.
He should have kept his mouth shut. :-X
Quote from: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
She is fairly letting rip now.
He should have kept his mouth shut. :-X
Good entertainment here. According to his 'wife' he is in Dubai with a prostitute!
Joshua is denying everything
AJ says he goes for BBW so she is out.
Khan looking a bigger tool than normal - if that is even possible?
Great entertainment!!
Khan cant get enough stick imo.
Crazy stuff, Twitter is just very instant and public for this craic! No way back.
This must be a hack on his account!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
This must be a hack on his account!
I can't understand why his agent hasn't released a statement if that's the case.
Some of the replies to khan are hilarious. AJ posting the shaggy song 'it wasn't me' is quality.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
This must be a hack on his account!
I can't understand why his agent hasn't released a statement if that's the case.
He must have completely lost the plot then so. How could he possibly think that this was going to end in any other way than him making a total dick of himself. Twitter is not really reknowned for its sympathy in these sort of things!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 04, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
This must be a hack on his account!
I can't understand why his agent hasn't released a statement if that's the case.
He must have completely lost the plot then so. How could he possibly think that this was going to end in any other way than him making a total dick of himself. Twitter is not really reknowned for its sympathy in these sort of things!
Apparently he's confirmed it in a Snapchat video now. Mental story, and what the feck is Anthony Joshua at denying it? Kahn would hardly go public unless he knew for sure.
Who really gives a feck? One guy screwing another guys wife, all kicks off on social media... children
Frampton-McGuigan split rumours gathering pace again.
Slept in and missed the Crawford fight ffs. Anyone watch it? He's some operator!
Talk on Belfast Boxers Facebook page last night that Frampton's career is being taken over by Al Haymon and talk of a £15m 4 fight deal. Would be great for him to get that sort of money and then leave with his health intact!
Quote from: JimStynes on August 20, 2017, 07:38:00 AM
Slept in and missed the Crawford fight ffs. Anyone watch it? He's some operator!
Talk on Belfast Boxers Facebook page last night that Frampton's career is being taken over by Al Haymon and talk of a £15m 4 fight deal. Would be great for him to get that sort of money and then leave with his health intact!
Indeed. The sooner Carl splits from the SlyClone the better!
rigondeaux and lomachenko is a done deal apparently. The two of the most skilled men about!!
Watched the Crawford fight last night. The body shot that finished it was absolutely vicious. He's some operator. Assuming he moves up now, there are some brilliant fights to be made at 147.
Crawford is unreal. Indongo looked brilliant against Burns too.
Wonder if the Rigondeaux fight will be at 130? Lomachenko will definitely have the size advantage, but I agree that its arguably the two most skilled fighters int he world facing each other but Rigondeaux is pushing on a bit now so you would have to favour hi-tech.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2017, 11:05:44 AM
Crawford is unreal. Indongo looked brilliant against Burns too.
Wonder if the Rigondeaux fight will be at 130? Lomachenko will definitely have the size advantage, but I agree that its arguably the two most skilled fighters int he world facing each other but Rigondeaux is pushing on a bit now so you would have to favour hi-tech.
was away at the weekend so have to get the crawford match on catchup. Indongo looked massive for that weight against Burns so interested to see how Crawford dealt with him.
The loma v Rigo fight looks a great pairing! Not sure that Lomanchenko has the power that Rigo does but he probably is the more skilful. could go either way. Rigo finally getting the big fight he deserves.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2017, 11:05:44 AM
Crawford is unreal. Indongo looked brilliant against Burns too.
Wonder if the Rigondeaux fight will be at 130? Lomachenko will definitely have the size advantage, but I agree that its arguably the two most skilled fighters int he world facing each other but Rigondeaux is pushing on a bit now so you would have to favour hi-tech.
Rigo is probably too old now yeah. Bit of a shame they didn't cross paths a few years ago.
I want to see Crawford and Spence. Some talent around those divisions. Garcia, Thurman, Spence, Crawford, Porter etc! Even the likes of Mikey Garcia maybe meeting some of the 140 boys at catchweight fights. Boxing is dying though ::)
Frampton confirms the split
Quote from: bamboo on August 21, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
Frampton confirms the split
Still using Shane though?
If only there was someone on this board who knew what went on here?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2017, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: bamboo on August 21, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
Frampton confirms the split
Still using Shane though?
LOL, of course not. Ties have been cut. Thats business. Probably for the best, he was probably scundered with the McGuigans, surprised he stuck them for so long.
Quote from: HiMucker on August 21, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
If only there was someone on this board who knew what went on here?
The travel expenses from Clones proved too much.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2017, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: bamboo on August 21, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
Frampton confirms the split
Still using Shane though?
LOL, of course not. Ties have been cut. Thats business. Probably for the best, he was probably scundered with the McGuigans, surprised he stuck them for so long.
Maybe I've missed it but I haven't read anywhere that he's left Shane? Not all Shane's fighters are with Cyclone Promotions.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2017, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: bamboo on August 21, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
Frampton confirms the split
Still using Shane though?
LOL, of course not. Ties have been cut. Thats business. Probably for the best, he was probably scundered with the McGuigans, surprised he stuck them for so long.
Why are you surprised he stuck with Shane McGuigan for so long?
Watched the Crawford fight there.. A serious operator! Not long now to the Alvarez GGG fight, should be some scrap
Hearing all sorts of rumours regarding the McGuigan split. Anyone know what the craic is?
Quote from: JimStynes on August 21, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
Hearing all sorts of rumours regarding the McGuigan split. Anyone know what the craic is?
What you hear??
Quote from: JoG2 on August 21, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on August 21, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 21, 2017, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: bamboo on August 21, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
Frampton confirms the split
Still using Shane though?
LOL, of course not. Ties have been cut. Thats business. Probably for the best, he was probably scundered with the McGuigans, surprised he stuck them for so long.
Why are you surprised he stuck with Shane McGuigan for so long?
Watched the Crawford fight there.. A serious operator! Not long now to the Alvarez GGG fight, should be some scrap
I know vastly different fighters but struggling to get excited for this knowing how Mayweather schooled Canelo. Styles make fights and all, so interested to hear how much chance people are giving him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 21, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
Hearing all sorts of rumours regarding the McGuigan split. Anyone know what the craic is?
What you hear??
from another forum:
Reliable informed from a couple of people who know him is that he has been funding the Cyclone organisation for a while. Quite a lot of overheads (especially McGuigan family) and no cash coming in.
He allegedly was not paid for his last fight and had enough.
Hence the suspicious weigh in....
I also heard that McGuigan was more at fault than Eastwood when they split, and it was all about money. But again, that is second hand information.
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Hearing all sorts of rumours regarding the McGuigan split. Anyone know what the craic is?
What you hear??
from another forum:
Reliable informed from a couple of people who know him is that he has been funding the Cyclone organisation for a while. Quite a lot of overheads (especially McGuigan family) and no cash coming in.
He allegedly was not paid for his last fight and had enough.
Hence the suspicious weigh in....
I've said in the recent past there has been a lot of discord within the group... hopefully there is no nastiness and it is a clean break... I've seen first hand a lot of McGuigan support for Carl, the problem is that the Cyclone promotions is all the McGuigan family, they are all on the payroll, if you are not fighting and earning a purse , people still need to be paid and bills...
Carl was promised more fights but Bary was keen to limit the fights.. I know Carl has at the very least 4/5 fights left and he can hang the gloves up with a great career behind him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2017, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 21, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 21, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
Hearing all sorts of rumours regarding the McGuigan split. Anyone know what the craic is?
What you hear??
from another forum:
Reliable informed from a couple of people who know him is that he has been funding the Cyclone organisation for a while. Quite a lot of overheads (especially McGuigan family) and no cash coming in.
He allegedly was not paid for his last fight and had enough.
Hence the suspicious weigh in....
I've said in the recent past there has been a lot of discord within the group... hopefully there is no nastiness and it is a clean break... I've seen first hand a lot of McGuigan support for Carl, the problem is that the Cyclone promotions is all the McGuigan family, they are all on the payroll, if you are not fighting and earning a purse , people still need to be paid and bills...
Carl was promised more fights but Bary was keen to limit the fights.. I know Carl has at the very least 4/5 fights left and he can hang the gloves up with a great career behind him
Very least or very most? The latter I'd have thought?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2017, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 21, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 21, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
Hearing all sorts of rumours regarding the McGuigan split. Anyone know what the craic is?
What you hear??
from another forum:
Reliable informed from a couple of people who know him is that he has been funding the Cyclone organisation for a while. Quite a lot of overheads (especially McGuigan family) and no cash coming in.
He allegedly was not paid for his last fight and had enough.
Hence the suspicious weigh in....
I've said in the recent past there has been a lot of discord within the group... hopefully there is no nastiness and it is a clean break... I've seen first hand a lot of McGuigan support for Carl, the problem is that the Cyclone promotions is all the McGuigan family, they are all on the payroll, if you are not fighting and earning a purse , people still need to be paid and bills...
Carl was promised more fights but Bary was keen to limit the fights.. I know Carl has at the very least 4/5 fights left and he can hang the gloves up with a great career behind him
So are the rumours true? Did he really not get paid?
Story i heard from someone in the boxing game in Belfast was that the purse has been getting smaller over the last 3 fights. Something in the region of £2.5m then £2m then £1m for the last one which he allegedly didn't even receive. McGuigan has apparently fallen out with every promoter and tv outfit and can't get any decent deals. I think frampton had no choice but to walk.
I always have found McGuigan likeable enough in interviews and TV programmes but anyone I know that is in the boxing game hasn't a good word to say about him. McGuigan and Frampton's careers are so similar up to this point, it would be a shame to see them fall out like the Eastwood carryon. Hopefully Frampton can kick on and get a couple more big pay days in Vegas.
I think this has been on the cards for quite a while but the timing now could work in Frampton's favour.
Santa Cruz vs Mares II has fallen through. That elusive trilogy fight could now hopefully happen.
Will be interesting to see what the new promoter / coach arrangement is. Early chat is that it will be Frank Warren / Adam Booth. They've had a couple of differences in the past but I wouldn't rule out a return to Eddie Hearn. Any differences between them before was largely due to Carl's loyalty to Barry McGuigan who didn't see eye to eye with Hearn. Barry from everything i've heard from various sources isn't the easiest person in the world to work with. The only reason the Frampton vs Quigg fight happened is because Barry stepped out of the picture and let Jake and Blaine McGuigan handle negotiations with Hearn.
Hearn like him or loathe him is the best in the business as a promoter and there's a better chance of getting the big fights / paydays by working with him. You only have to look at the recent example of Ryan Burnett from being homeless sleeping in his car after leaving Ricky Hatton to teaming up with Hearn and getting a world title shot. Hearn would surely relish having both Belfast fighters on his books.
I like Eddie Hearn and love his interviews with IFL Kugan Cassius. Best promoter about. Can't stand your man Frank Warren.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/41099303
Only just catching up on the weekend's card there tonight. Christ, Chocolatito was badly knocked out by the Thai lad. I thought the decision in the first fight was a joke but there was obviously no arguing with that one.
There could be an absolutely brilliant fight to be made there against Naoya Inoue who looked fantastic in his own fight.
Just watched Chocolatitio KO there. Contrary to prevailing opinion I thought he lost the first fight he was getting tagged the whole time.
I thought he would step up and win this rematch tho, he seemed like he had no confidence but maybe he is just too small for that weight
Unfortunately looks like a sad end to a great fighter
Anyway onwards to the fight of the year...
Im going for GGG in 8. However Im not sure... Golovkin is past his best and Canelo is a great fighter, has the power to keep off Golovkin and his counterpunching could be the perfect match for Golvokin's walkdown, here's hoping its a great fight.
Didnt relaise BJ Saunders was defending his title against Willie Monroe as well
Haven't a clue how it's going to go! Canelo in his prime and GGG maybe slightly past his best. They're both easy enough hit but I think if anyone gets hit properly by GGG then they're going down! I just hope it's a good fight.
I don't know how people can say GGG is past his best. He looked a bit ropey in his last fight against Jacobs is about the height of it. Whether that means he's in decline is complete guesswork.
People are quick to write off GGG based on a fight where he wasn't at his best, yet still won and knoced his man down. Plus, Jacobs had a significant weight advantage on the night and was basically a LH. Can't see Alvarez stopping GGG. Be interesting to see if Alvarez can stay on his feet though, Mexicans are tough as hell but he won't have ever been hit by someone as strong as GGG.
Be good to see that tool Saunders beat too, doesn't deserve the belt considering he has basically done nothing since winning it bar looking to fight bums in leisure centres.
Monroe Jr 3/1 to beat Saunders. Surely that's value, I would have had it a lot closer than that.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2017, 08:21:08 AM
People are quick to write off GGG based on a fight where he wasn't at his best, yet still won and knoced his man down. Plus, Jacobs had a significant weight advantage on the night and was basically a LH. Can't see Alvarez stopping GGG. Be interesting to see if Alvarez can stay on his feet though, Mexicans are tough as hell but he won't have ever been hit by someone as strong as GGG.
I'd agree with all this. Jacobs was huge in comparison to Golovkin. Really looking forward to this fight, should be a cracker
Any idea on how the GGG/Canelo fight can be purchased lads?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 15, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
Any idea on how the GGG/Canelo fight can be purchased lads?
It's on Boxnation, if you have a BT Sports subscription (in the uk) then the SD channel on Boxnation is included.
Quote from: glens73 on September 15, 2017, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 15, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
Any idea on how the GGG/Canelo fight can be purchased lads?
It's on Boxnation, if you have a BT Sports subscription (in the uk) then the SD channel on Boxnation is included.
Cheers Glens. I don't have BT. Can I pay a one off fee do you know?
Just saw there. £16.95 on Box Nation. I'll go for that!
They reckon Boxnation is available on Freeview Walt as well as Virgin and BT. Boxnation is on Mobdro if you have an android tablet / phone, though the quality / stream can't be guaranteed
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2017, 11:32:47 AM
They reckon Boxnation is available on Freeview Walt as well as Virgin and BT. Boxnation is on Mobdro if you have an android tablet / phone, though the quality / stream can't be guaranteed
Cheers JoG. Will have a look before I buy.
I believe they were advertising that you can purchase the fight ppv on boxnation. You would be better off buying a month's subscription to the channel at about the same price.
The fight is on a new specific box nation pay per view channel. Existing customers to BT/Boxnation will still have to pay to watch this fight as well as non customers (who I assume will have the option to buy it as well).
I thought they announced that existing BoxNation subscribers DIDN'T have to pay anything extra.
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
I thought they announced that existing BoxNation subscribers DIDN'T have to pay anything extra.
I def saw tweets by Boxnation confirming this.
Saunders wee lad hits Monroe Jr at the weigh in. Saunders doesn't even flinch to stop him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3W5CVJrac&feature=youtu.be
What a bunch of sc**bag kids.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 15, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Saunders wee lad hits Monroe Jr at the weigh in. Saunders doesn't even flinch to stop him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3W5CVJrac&feature=youtu.be
Now i'm a monroe supporter
Rigo - Lomachenko confirmed.
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2017, 07:05:50 PM
Rigo - Lomachenko confirmed.
Nice one! There's plenty of good fights being made this year. Boxing is upping its game at last. When is this due to happen?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 15, 2017, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 15, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Saunders wee lad hits Monroe Jr at the weigh in. Saunders doesn't even flinch to stop him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3W5CVJrac&feature=youtu.be
Now i'm a monroe supporter
A classy guy. Looking forward to this scrap
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2017, 07:05:50 PM
Rigo - Lomachenko confirmed.
"Boxing is dead" blah blah blah line still gets trotted out endlessly though.
Both Canelo and GGG weigh in at 160. Can't wait.
A lot of fighters missing weight further down the card.
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
I thought they announced that existing BoxNation subscribers DIDN'T have to pay anything extra.
Sorry I just see that. Assumed when they went to bother of setting up a box office channel that they were charging for everyone. Won't get up at 4 in morning but handier for watching it early on Sunday.
Boxing matchups this year have been superb, I can barely even think of a fight that I want to see now, well Thurman Spence, or Bradley Garcia Crawford would be great but Im pretty confident we will see them before the end of next year.
This one is the fight we've all been waiting for tho so lets hope it lives up to its expectation.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 15, 2017, 10:47:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
I thought they announced that existing BoxNation subscribers DIDN'T have to pay anything extra.
Sorry I just see that. Assumed when they went to bother of setting up a box office channel that they were charging for everyone. Won't get up at 4 in morning but handier for watching it early on Sunday.
BT customers on Sky get Boxnation but don't get this box office fight. This is a bit annoying as I unsubscribe from boxnation when it joined with BT.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 15, 2017, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 15, 2017, 02:46:30 PM
Saunders wee lad hits Monroe Jr at the weigh in. Saunders doesn't even flinch to stop him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3W5CVJrac&feature=youtu.be
Now i'm a monroe supporter
And Saunders trainer , Dominic Ingles , says boxers have to protect themselves at all times and Monroe wasnt. Classy stuff!!!
Are the ringwalks around the usual post 4AM time??
The Glitch In The Matrix Explained | Vasyl Lomachenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un-722TV89Y
Saunders fight is awful, as expected. He's terrible to watch.
Fury is in the front row beside Warren. The size of him is ridiculous.
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 12:33:35 AM
Saunders fight is awful, as expected. He's terrible to watch.
Fury is in the front row beside Warren. The size of him is ridiculous.
Saunder's cub landed more clean shots!!
Where's the like button
Quote from: Boycey on September 16, 2017, 09:37:34 PM
Are the ringwalks around the usual post 4AM time??
The last undercard fight is on now so think it wouldn't be too far off 4am...maybe 4.30 if it goes the distance
Any streams?
GGG's punches looking slow, the jab aside.
2-0 Canelo.
5-3 GGG for me.
Canelo ain't shaking his head at those shots any more. 6-3.
A draw WTF?
Jesus Christ!
f**k right off. 118-110 Canelo?!
Those fans got it right
Was Oscar the 118 judge?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2017, 05:00:10 AM
A draw WTF?
Ridiculous. This sort shit turns people off boxing.
Like it was relatively close but I think either 8-4 or possibly 7-5 GGG.
10-2 Canelo?! Not a f**king hope.
Twas all set to be a great night for boxing, was a great fight, Canelo didn't look bad I thought both boxers boxed to their optimum level. But that decision was a feckin disgrace
Fair play to Golovkin he just smiles and says it was a great fight, he must be rippin but I suppose he can think of the paycheck.
No way you could give Alvarez anymore than 4 rounds, and thats being generous.
Quick google there on the judge
Seems like the MMA guys are up in arms about her too
Anyway remember this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hopkins_vs._Joe_Calzaghe
She was the one who made it a split!
Golden Boy are a f**king disgrace to the sport
She's been around for years and has plenty of controversy behind her.
All so unnecessary. Think everyone wanted the rematch anyway.
Teddy Atlas and Stephen A Smith on Gennady Golovkin vs. Canelo Alvarez Ends In A Draw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLGRKQ5NRw
Joe Rogan Reacts to the Canelo vs. GGG Decision - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AhEUJKCX1Q
MANNY PACQUIAO REACTS TO GENNADY GOLOVKIN GETTING ROBBED AGAINST CANELO ALVAREZ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLM9U3tl_do
Floyd Mayweather On Canelo Alvarez vs GGG (Golovkin)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYQ0cZbe7F8
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Rio going to give boxing a go. Where McGregor leads..
Frampton has signed an "advisory" deal with MTK (Matt Macklin)
This doesn't mean they are his new promoter but seem to be assisting him with getting a promoter.
MR - any idea what this means ?
Seems a bit strange, perhaps it is a similar arrangement to Mick Conlan, opening up the possibility of teaming up with an American promoter like Top Rank with MTK being the European representatives.
Dont think it makes a renewed partnership with Eddie Hearn likely now if MTK are involved.
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 08:04:00 PM
Rio going to give boxing a go. Where McGregor leads..
Probably be fighting for a World title soon
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 19, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Frampton has signed an "advisory" deal with MTK (Matt Macklin)
This doesn't mean they are his new promoter but seem to be assisting him with getting a promoter.
MR - any idea what this means ?
Seems a bit strange, perhaps it is a similar arrangement to Mick Conlan, opening up the possibility of teaming up with an American promoter like Top Rank with MTK being the European representatives.
Dont think it makes a renewed partnership with Eddie Hearn likely now if MTK are involved.
PM you
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 19, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Frampton has signed an "advisory" deal with MTK (Matt Macklin)
This doesn't mean they are his new promoter but seem to be assisting him with getting a promoter.
MR - any idea what this means ?
Seems a bit strange, perhaps it is a similar arrangement to Mick Conlan, opening up the possibility of teaming up with an American promoter like Top Rank with MTK being the European representatives.
Dont think it makes a renewed partnership with Eddie Hearn likely now if MTK are involved.
PM you
Put it up here MR
Quote from: JimStynes on September 19, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on September 19, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Frampton has signed an "advisory" deal with MTK (Matt Macklin)
This doesn't mean they are his new promoter but seem to be assisting him with getting a promoter.
MR - any idea what this means ?
Seems a bit strange, perhaps it is a similar arrangement to Mick Conlan, opening up the possibility of teaming up with an American promoter like Top Rank with MTK being the European representatives.
Dont think it makes a renewed partnership with Eddie Hearn likely now if MTK are involved.
PM you
Put it up here MR
I'm sure a lot of stuff will come out but I'd rather it didnt from me... family connections, let's just say boxing can be a great sport but the shit that goes on behind the scenes most people wouldn't believe
Andre Ward announces his retirement :o
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 21, 2017, 06:37:26 PM
Andre Ward announces his retirement :o
Sure he was no good according to some in here :o
Quote from: JimStynes on September 22, 2017, 12:19:50 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 21, 2017, 06:37:26 PM
Andre Ward announces his retirement :o
Sure he was no good according to some in here :o
Like Mayweather, his style was easy to appreciate academically but impossible to love. Unlike Mayweather he wasn't a total jackass out of the ring, though.
He retired because no one wants to watch him.
Fortunately that's how it works in prize fighting
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 22, 2017, 03:52:31 AM
He retired because no one wants to watch him.
Fortunately that's how it works in prize fighting
Yeah, what we need is more multi million selling ppv fights like Mayweather-McGregor...
Ward was good but his last two fights have left a sour taste.
Watched the Frank Warren card on Boxnation last saturday. Nearly every single fight was a mismatch. Found the whole thing far from enjoyable but held on to watch the Saunders fight. It was shite too. Monroe came to hide and looked like he wasnt going to ever give it a rattle. Pointless.
Conlon had a decent win last night. It's hard to tell but I still haven't been overly impressed by him yet.
Quote from: JimStynes on September 23, 2017, 11:24:26 AM
Conlon had a decent win last night. It's hard to tell but I still haven't been overly impressed by him yet.
He's fighting bums to warm up like just about every fighter. No point trying to question his credentials until he fights someone of note.
Frampton signing with Frank Warren?? What's he at!
Quote from: JimStynes on September 24, 2017, 05:28:58 PM
Frampton signing with Frank Warren?? What's he at!
said this a while ago, but frampton is done!
frank warren ffs
on the downward curve big time
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 24, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 24, 2017, 05:28:58 PM
Frampton signing with Frank Warren?? What's he at!
said this a while ago, but frampton is done!
frank warren ffs
on the downward curve big time
Frampton will be fighting for a world title again with a pet turtle managing him.
Watching the build up to Saunders fight last week and warren and BT brought very little to the table in terms of promotion. Miles behind sky and Hearn in promoting and showcasing there fighters. Surelysigning With Hearn was no brained if he really wanted the Windsor fight. He will have one chance next summer for it and no guarantee warren can deliver that. Eubanks Saunders Flanagan careers go nowhere fast under him and it's a constant trend
What happened all the talk of America? New trainer isn't a big name and then signing with that tube Frank Warren. Hopefully he can still get a couple of big fights but doesn't fill you with confidence.
Another sham of a scorecard at the weekend in the Parker Fury fight. Boxing is having a rough time of it at the minute.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 26, 2017, 02:49:37 PM
Another sham of a scorecard at the weekend in the Parker Fury fight. Boxing is having a rough time of it at the minute.
At the minute??
Been the same for years and years. Cards where all or almost all the winners are known in advance and judges that are corrupt or incompetent. Lads getting shots at "world titles" because of politics and regardless of their record!
It's a complete sham with a few good fights a year thrown in
I really would urge any fan who hasn't already to give UFC a go. There was a card from Tokyo this weekend that was mediocre enough by UFC standards. But still far more exciting than 95% of boxing cards
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 07:27:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 26, 2017, 02:49:37 PM
Another sham of a scorecard at the weekend in the Parker Fury fight. Boxing is having a rough time of it at the minute.
At the minute??
Been the same for years and years. Cards where all or almost all the winners are known in advance and judges that are corrupt or incompetent. Lads getting shots at "world titles" because of politics and regardless of their record!
It's a complete sham with a few good fights a year thrown in
I really would urge any fan who hasn't already to give UFC a go. There was a card from Tokyo this weekend that was mediocre enough by UFC standards. But still far more exciting than 95% of boxing cards
True enough, only recently that it seems that someone can go to Germany and beat the 'home' fighter without having to knock him out.
UFC is good, some exciting fights but also some borefests too. In saying that, you are more likely to see a good fight in UFC than you are in boxing and its more exciting due to the smaller gloves too. UFC had the right idea with the one belt per division but they have already started to dilute that with the introduction of interim belts and they are making a mockery of their rankign systems too with title fights involving fighters who are 'popular' and will help generate a big event/fight as opposed to giving the title shot to the fighter with the highest ranking.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2017, 08:00:43 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 07:27:05 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 26, 2017, 02:49:37 PM
Another sham of a scorecard at the weekend in the Parker Fury fight. Boxing is having a rough time of it at the minute.
At the minute??
Been the same for years and years. Cards where all or almost all the winners are known in advance and judges that are corrupt or incompetent. Lads getting shots at "world titles" because of politics and regardless of their record!
It's a complete sham with a few good fights a year thrown in
I really would urge any fan who hasn't already to give UFC a go. There was a card from Tokyo this weekend that was mediocre enough by UFC standards. But still far more exciting than 95% of boxing cards
True enough, only recently that it seems that someone can go to Germany and beat the 'home' fighter without having to knock him out.
UFC is good, some exciting fights but also some borefests too. In saying that, you are more likely to see a good fight in UFC than you are in boxing and its more exciting due to the smaller gloves too. UFC had the right idea with the one belt per division but they have already started to dilute that with the introduction of interim belts and they are making a mockery of their rankign systems too with title fights involving fighters who are 'popular' and will help generate a big event/fight as opposed to giving the title shot to the fighter with the highest ranking.
With so few titles, when a champion is injured (or "away" like McGregor) for an extended period of time, I don't think there's too much wrong with an interim title. So long as they don't extend it, which of course is a risk.
The match making though is hard to argue against. Very difficult to avoid a dangerous opponent, there's no easy ride up the rankings and it's rare enough that a contender outside the Top 3 gets a shot, and I've never seen a shot been given to a guy with no chance, as happens all too often in boxing (other than lads fighting DJ maybe, but they are still the best available!)
Bisping seems to be doing his best to start down the wrong kind of road, but him and Henderson had the obvious history and GSP is a returning legend. So I think they're all forgiveable, if not exactly ideal. And at the end of the day Box Office fights are what people want. You'll hardly ever get the upcoming star against useless journeyman likes happens in fight after fight in boxing.
I believe Conrad Cummings has left Cyclone and Shane as trainer too. I wonder what's happening there?
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 27, 2017, 05:55:32 PM
I believe Conrad Cummings has left Cyclone and Shane as trainer too. I wonder what's happening there?
Putting 2 and 2 together here and probably getting 10, but it looks like the irish lads know the craic that has happened to Frampton and feel it best to move on themselves. Josh Taylor seemed quite close to these lads so he might be next.
Money!!!
Frampton, Conlon and Barnes (emmm and Katie Taylor) all look a similar size.
Are they all in different weight categories?
Will they never bax?
If they did, who would win?
Conlan and Frampton could but Barnes is lighter than those 2 again.
Conlon doesn't seem sure of where his future is at weightwise.
Tried to get tickets for the Frampton fight at 12. Was there before they opened, it loaded for about 20 seconds then when I tried for two tickets the only ones available were the £125 ones.
The £44, £55, £85 and £105 tickets all gone.
f**k paying £260 for two tickets to watch him fight some Mexican no mark. The Conlan fight should be a cracker like but still.
Two crap fights in a row arranged for Frampton. Should be fighting elite fighters at this stage of his career, not Mexican bums. Seems far too hung up on fighting in NI to be honest.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 04, 2017, 03:56:07 PM
Two crap fights in a row arranged for Frampton. Should be fighting elite fighters at this stage of his career, not Mexican bums. Seems far too hung up on fighting in NI to be honest.
Have to agree with this
This first one with a new set up outside the ring was always going to be a tune up fight against a lesser known name so should be given a pass so to speak on that. 2018 is the biggest year of his career needs tittle fights wherever they may be whether it's Belfast, London or America.
Hung up fighting in your own country? Hasn't fought here for a while!
Selby fighting now and he's a bit of a balloon!
Impressive stuff by Eubank Jr tonight. I know nothing of the guy he beat but he was highly enough rated. I must admit, Eubank is becoming one of the boxers I most look forward to watching.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Hung up fighting in your own country? Hasn't fought here for a while!
Selby fighting now and he's a bit of a balloon!
He isnt going to get big, big fights hete though. His career has came to a standstill and he should be chasing the big hitters in the states (or Selby) instead of fighting nobodies in NI.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Hung up fighting in your own country? Hasn't fought here for a while!
Selby fighting now and he's a bit of a balloon!
He isnt going to get big, big fights hete though. His career has came to a standstill and he should be chasing the big hitters in the states (or Selby) instead of fighting nobodies in NI.
He should but that's not always the case!
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Hung up fighting in your own country? Hasn't fought here for a while!
Selby fighting now and he's a bit of a balloon!
He isnt going to get big, big fights hete though. His career has came to a standstill and he should be chasing the big hitters in the states (or Selby) instead of fighting nobodies in NI.
He's doing just fine. His career has not 'come to a standstill' - the trilogy fight was never likely to happen this year so his progression was always going to be a tune up fight or two and a shot at one of the other titles then.
Quote from: Syferus on October 08, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Hung up fighting in your own country? Hasn't fought here for a while!
Selby fighting now and he's a bit of a balloon!
He isnt going to get big, big fights hete though. His career has came to a standstill and he should be chasing the big hitters in the states (or Selby) instead of fighting nobodies in NI.
He's doing just fine. His career has not 'come to a standstill' - the trilogy fight was never likely to happen this year so his progression was always going to be a tune up fight or two and a shot at one of the other titles then.
Why a tune up fight or two, surely he should be going for one of the titles at this point in his career plus due to the fact he is a 2 weight world champions who was the recent holder of a belt in this division.
Roy Jones Jr to carry on Boxing and his next opponent due to be announced very shortly, just seen on Twitter.
So sad. Pity nobody can get him to stop.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 09, 2017, 09:46:14 AM
Roy Jones Jr to carry on Boxing and his next opponent due to be announced very shortly, just seen on Twitter.
So sad. Pity nobody can get him to stop.
The best I ever saw too, shame that he keeps going on.
Saturday was a good evening of boxing. Eubank was impressive enough. If Groves wins that will be an interesting fight.
Enjoyed the Crolla burns fight too. While i had Crolla winning I dont think it was as wide as was made out. Probably not much point in a rematch though. Crolla should fight Campbell next.
Crolla is done. The two Linares fights showed just how far away he is from the top level. Campbell would handle him easily enough I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-l27wVU80
No wonder the Golovkin vs Eubank Jr fight never happened ! An amusing story about Eubank Snr's demands to Hearn. Hat tip to WhiskeySteve who sent it my way.
If anyone knows of any spare Frampton fights going could they PM me please. Was third in the queue at a ticketmaster outlet and thought i was more or less guaranteed tickets. Not even the first person in the queue got any tickets (well, ringside and the ridiculous priced tickets were left). Must have all went on pre-sale but thought only a certain allocation could be sold on pre-sale. if anyone has any going spare if they could PM me please. Cheers
Joshua v Pulev fight is off, apparently due to Pulev hurting his shoulder in training.
Good interview with Kildare's Dennis Hogan who's v close to a world title shot. Tbh I'd not heard of the man
http://www.the42.ie/dennis-hogan-3629223-Oct2017/
Interesting Haye is starting as a betting favorite over Bellew for their rematch.
Made a few quid off Bellew last time, can only see same result.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2017, 03:04:02 PM
Interesting Haye is starting as a betting favorite over Bellew for their rematch.
Made a few quid off Bellew last time, can only see same result.
Surely Haye beats the head off him when he's not injured??
Depends what Haye is back for? If it's money....probably not.
Haye's been out of the game a long time but in fairness he fought as far as he could with that injury the last time out - just find it surprising the bookies have him down as favorite
I can't see any other result than a Haye win unless he is hindered from the start like he was last time out, and even then he probably had won every round up until he got injured. Bellew is a slabber, talking about 'knocking him out again' etc when he couldn't finish off a man on one leg first day out.
I thought Haye the 1st time and i still think a fit Haye will win this time.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 17, 2017, 03:29:27 PM
Depends what Haye is back for? If it's money....probably not.
Haye's been out of the game a long time but in fairness he fought as far as he could with that injury the last time out - just find it surprising the bookies have him down as favorite
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks barring another freak injury that Haye doesn't pummel Bellew can't have watched the first one very closely. Bellew hits with the power of a child at this level.
The bookies' choice is neither surprising nor incorrect.
Tough fight for Burnett. The Kazakh looks a nightmare to fight.
Burnett wins unanimously on points. Take a gunshot to put thon Kazakh down.
How did Feargal McCrory do?
Quote from: longballin on October 21, 2017, 11:18:25 PM
How did Feargal McCrory do?
Wondering myself. Been searching online and it's as if it didn't happen
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 21, 2017, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 21, 2017, 11:18:25 PM
How did Feargal McCrory do?
Wondering myself. Been searching online and it's as if it didn't happen
Just heard he won but no other details... he's good.
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 21, 2017, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: longballin on October 21, 2017, 11:18:25 PM
How did Feargal McCrory do?
Wondering myself. Been searching online and it's as if it didn't happen
Fight was named a floater so he ended up being last on. He's just won.
Cracking scrap and good win for Burnett.
Quote from: gallsman on October 21, 2017, 11:47:11 PM
Cracking scrap and good win for Burnett.
Looked closer at the fight than the Judge's scores suggested. What was it like on tv?
From where i was the Kazakh was bullying RB the whole fight, pushing him back and grabbing his arms..gave RB no room to move whatsoever but RB battled gamefully and landed cleaner shots in last 2 rounds...other than that i couldnt have separated them
No action replay screens in the SSE arena unfortunately
Kazakh was hard as nails
Felt the Dub was robbed in the fight before it
First 5 of 6 rounds were tight but Burnett did the better work in latter stages. Sickener of a decision in the Hyland Jr fight.
Quote from: Gold on October 22, 2017, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 21, 2017, 11:47:11 PM
Cracking scrap and good win for Burnett.
Looked closer at the fight than the Judge's scores suggested. What was it like on tv?
From where i was the Kazakh was bullying RB the whole fight, pushing him back and grabbing his arms..gave RB no room to move whatsoever but RB battled gamefully and landed cleaner shots in last 2 rounds...other than that i couldnt have separated them
No action replay screens in the SSE arena unfortunately
Kazakh was hard as nails
Felt the Dub was robbed in the fight before it
Hyland was actually very embarrassed looking after his fight!
C'mon Katie.
Only one winner here. Taylor's power is frightening. Another class.
Taylor so superior but she's eating the odd shot here and there that she shouldn't, especially with Sanchez not making weight. Has to be careful.
She's never had any defence- unlikely to develop one now !
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 28, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
She's never had any defence- unlikely to develop one now !
Only on here could an eejit be so comically negative when perhaps the most loved Olympian Ireland has ever produced is about to win a world title.
Quote from: Syferus on October 28, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 28, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
She's never had any defence- unlikely to develop one now !
Only on here could an eejit be so comically negative when perhaps the most loved Olympian Ireland has ever produced is about to win a world title.
Most loved ? Wise up ffs
Quote from: Minder on October 28, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 28, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 28, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
She's never had any defence- unlikely to develop one now !
Only on here could an eejit be so comically negative when perhaps the most loved Olympian Ireland has ever produced is about to win a world title.
Most loved ? Wise up ffs
Michelle Smith isn't exactly loved, and if you're trying to tell me Michael Carruth is..
She's brilliant. Great to see her win a world title.
Quote from: Syferus on October 28, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 28, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
She's never had any defence- unlikely to develop one now !
Only on here could an eejit be so comically negative when perhaps the most loved Olympian Ireland has ever produced is about to win a world title.
I would have said it was a fair observation and not necessarily negative. Maybe she's so loved because she's got such an attacking style. It's a wonder that someone as positive as yourself feels the need to dish out personal insults, just as Ireland's most loved olympian is about to win a world title.
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 28, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 28, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
She's never had any defence- unlikely to develop one now !
Only on here could an eejit be so comically negative when perhaps the most loved Olympian Ireland has ever produced is about to win a world title.
I would have said it was a fair observation and not necessarily negative. Maybe she's so loved because she's got such an attacking style. It's a wonder that someone as positive as yourself feels the need to dish out personal insults, just as Ireland's most loved olympian is about to win a world title.
If you think calling out that sort of negative stuff is personal abuse you're a very sheltered person. This forum had a tendency towards pissing and moaning over even the most positive achievements. Pity.
Of all the examples over the years of posters racing to get offended on behalf of someone else, that might just be the worst. Eejit.
Aye, it's a fair enough comment she does take more shots than you would like. I'm no expert on women's boxing but maybe it's a calculated risk not thinking opponents have the necessary power even if they catch her.
This girl she fought tonight is a world champ, are there better belts out there? Katie was miles ahead of her but she was game in fairness..
Ridiculous stoppage considering how much Takam had been allowed fight on. Shipped a few shots but he was trying to defend himself and wasn't badly rocked. Ref made a balls of it too. Too timid to jump in and Joshua's final shots landed when Takam was in ref's headlock ffs.
Poor fight altogether. Joshua win was as guaranteed
He might have been slightly premature but the end wasn't far away.
A fight that threw up a fair few questions about Joshua..
Quote from: Boycey on October 28, 2017, 11:16:06 PM
He might have been slightly premature but the end wasn't far away.
A fight that threw up a fair few questions about Joshua..
It wasn't that far away but it was still too early. He was outclassed from the beginning and went ten and a half rounds, taking some big shots throughout the fight. He wasn't suddenly in any more danger after a few more shots than he had been throughout the fight.
Anywho, disappointing enough but Takam showed he's plenty tough.
Takam showed some bottle to fight through the injury, and before it he was asking some questions of Joshua. You'd have to question Joshua's performance post Takam's cut as it took him a very long time to put away a badly hurt fighter. Wilder is pretty poor but if Fury was fully motivated it would make an interesting fight.
Wilder isn't "poor". He's by no means the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time but he's certainly not "poor". AJ's chin has shown that it can be tickled. Wilder comes roaring out of the blocks and lands on him? Who knows.
Quote from: gallsman on October 28, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
Wilder isn't "poor". He's by no means the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time but he's certainly not "poor". AJ's chin has shown that it can be tickled. Wilder comes roaring out of the blocks and lands on him? Who knows.
I think Wilder can punch but as a boxer he is severely limited. Even his stance and how he holds his guard is loose and sloppy. There's not much to him. Joshua would beat him pretty comfortably with anything approaching his Klitschko fight form.
He is certainly limited but AJ ain't no Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali either. Look at the state of Dillian White tonight and think of the problems he caused AJ a few years ago.
Wilder is big and can bang. That could well be enough to beat AJ in my opinion.
White didnt really trouble Joshua. Wilder is poor to be honest and you would expect Joshua to win.
He didn't really trouble him apart from the bit where he nearly knocked him out.
Joshua was in serious trouble against White at one stage. Recovered well to be fair. I don't rate Joshua that highly as a boxer. Very robotic and gases out at times. That Takam fella had much better boxing skills but didn't have the power to trouble Joshua that much. Heavyweight division is poor enough. I quite like Joshua but sky would sicken you the way they talk about him.
Quote from: gallsman on October 28, 2017, 09:17:20 PM
Of all the examples over the years of posters racing to get offended on behalf of someone else, that might just be the worst. Eejit.
Lads - do me the favour of not quoting this clown - it's the only way I will have to see / read his contributions
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 29, 2017, 08:09:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 28, 2017, 09:17:20 PM
Of all the examples over the years of posters racing to get offended on behalf of someone else, that might just be the worst. Eejit.
Lads - do me the favour of not quoting this clown - it's the only way I will have to see / read his contributions
Such as they are! Well said.
Joshua is pretty much unbeatable to be honest. Somebody might come along in a few years that changes that, but he will have it handy the next 3/4 years.
he needs to drop a stone, hes too muscle bound and it affects his mobilty to avoids punches
Hope he fights Wilder next. It looks like Fury will never get his act together so the only fight out there is surely the Wilder one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
Joshua is pretty much unbeatable to be honest. Somebody might come along in a few years that changes that, but he will have it handy the next 3/4 years.
I would disagree. I think he's the best at the moment but not by a huge margin. I think he's better than Wilder but Wilder could KO him. Joshua was rocked by Dillian Whyte. Would be really interested to see him in with a fully fit and focused Tyson Fury too.
Would like to see Wilder v Whyte and Joshua v Parker next, then the winners meet and by that stage hopefully Fury is in decent shape and can get a tune up fight or two in too.
I'd love to see him fight Fury too, but the big problem is that if he beats Parker and Wilder then there isn't going to be much of a challenge in the forseeable future.
Most fighters get hurt at some stage, and with the power the heavyweights have its inevitable that you can be hurt in any fight. Wilder caught him with a good shot but he took it well and he recovered well against Klitschko too. Wilder could land one of his wild swings on him but Wilder will be hit harder than he ever has before and won't have the same size advantage he has had over the fighters he has previously fought.
Like the rest of you I would also like to see Fury get himself back on track.
I do think the fight will happen though - Serious money could be made of it and that'll get it over the line.....eventually.
Fury says he's coming back.
He changes his mind every week plus he isnt allowed to fight anyway.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 31, 2017, 04:02:48 PM
He changes his mind every week plus he isnt allowed to fight anyway.
I assume this tweet means that he is now allowed to fight
https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/925061497725902849 (https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/925061497725902849)
Still has to have a hearing
Fury says he weighs 25 stone at the minute . . . it's a long way back from that to being a Heavyweight champ especially against a young strong and fit Joshua. I just can't see it.
Will the young lad Dubois who dropped Joshua in sparring not be a shout over the next few years??
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2017, 09:16:16 AM
Fury says he weighs 25 stone at the minute . . . it's a long way back from that to being a Heavyweight champ especially against a young strong and fit Joshua. I just can't see it.
Will the young lad Dubois who dropped Joshua in sparring not be a shout over the next few years??
Dubois looks like a good prospect alright but is only 20 and you would imagine he'll have another 10 or so fights before going after any top heavyweight.
Watched the fight as live this morning, didn't realise I was in for such a short shift! End of 1st round knockout. Opponent ropey enough but Wilder is certainly no dummy, 'freakish power' as Andy Lee said. He's like Clubber Lang the way he went in for the kill. He'd give AJ all he wants. Next Summer Blockbuster or will they string it along for another year or two?
Quote from: bennydorano on November 05, 2017, 07:58:44 AM
Watched the fight as live this morning, didn't realise I was in for such a short shift! End of 1st round knockout. Opponent ropey enough but Wilder is certainly no dummy, 'freakish power' as Andy Lee said. He's like Clubber Lang the way he went in for the kill. He'd give AJ all he wants. Next Summer Blockbuster or will they string it along for another year or two?
Joshua has 'freakish power' and is twice the boxer Wilder is. It will be a very comfortable night's work for Joshua. Wilder will give him all he wants in terms of a big pay day, but that's where it'll end.
Quote from: Syferus on November 05, 2017, 09:51:12 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 05, 2017, 07:58:44 AM
Watched the fight as live this morning, didn't realise I was in for such a short shift! End of 1st round knockout. Opponent ropey enough but Wilder is certainly no dummy, 'freakish power' as Andy Lee said. He's like Clubber Lang the way he went in for the kill. He'd give AJ all he wants. Next Summer Blockbuster or will they string it along for another year or two?
Joshua has 'freakish power' and is twice the boxer Wilder is. It will be a very comfortable night's work for Joshua. Wilder will give him all he wants in terms of a big pay day, but that's where it'll end.
Agreed.
Eddie Hearn wants Wilder to fight Chisora or Whyte to prove himself😊 Must be on the wind up. Think Hearn is trying to Tee up Wilder for a future blockbuster but wants to create (fabricate) a rivalry first.
Watched Whyte v Chisora again (Bad Blood show on Sky), that was some fight. Not surprised Wilder wants to dodge Whyte and go straight for AJ - he mightn't get past him.
Canelo will be ringside for the Frampton fight this weekend
http://mtkglobal.com/mtk-global/mexican-superstar-canelo-set-ringside-frampton-reborn-fight-card/
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 15, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
Canelo will be ringside for the Frampton fight this weekend
http://mtkglobal.com/mtk-global/mexican-superstar-canelo-set-ringside-frampton-reborn-fight-card/
Three-time Olympian Paddy Barnes also features on the card as he fights for the vacant WBO inter-continental flyweight title.
The Belfast native plans on delivering an exciting performance to make sure he isn't upstaged by the famous redhead at ringside.
"I'm not happy at all about it to be honest," laughed Barnes. "I'm meant to be the most famous ginger at this show! 'Canelo' better be cheering on one of his own when I'm fighting." ;D
Good win for Jono Carroll there
It's his "man strength" ;D
(Reference to interview...)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 18, 2017, 09:00:41 PM
Good win for Jono Carroll there
Great tattoo on his back!!
Great win for Paddy there
Jamie conlon getting a bit of a lesson here :(
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 18, 2017, 10:17:17 PM
Jamie conlon getting a bit of a lesson here :(
Good call from the ref!!
Outclassed no doubt
That's a decent fighter alright! At least 2 levels above Jamie.. though looking at it he was not confident from the start, those stomach punches must be sore!
A lot more solid than Jamie who looked very thin
Never seen a guy take so many big body shots. Other fella just too good and you were starting to feel sorry for conlon. First round knockdown looked very odd.
This isn't a 1/100 fight !! This guys a solid looking fighter who's not bad
Wee bit concerned no one is saying anything about the opponent!
Third round knockout! No defence
Yeah not fantastic but think it will go longer than 3.
Any links
No sorry. Looking dubious enough here.
Carl's body language is terrible. He looks lost.
Dodgy decision?
Quote from: An Watcher on November 18, 2017, 11:37:40 PM
Dodgy decision?
The knockdown was yeah. No doubt he won the fight!!
Didn't see it, just read this on BBC
All three possible outcomes are on the table here. This could go either way, with a draw not out of the question. My gut says that Garcia has caused an upset, but will home advantage sway the judges?
I thought the judges were a bit generous to him. 4 points these boys are saying they reckoned. 5 or 6 a bit much.
No home decision but that was closer than the judges gave it! Carl went to pot after 4/5 rounds and it became and tight fight! I'd watched a few clips of the guy before tonight so never thought it be as easy as 1/100 .. but first couple Carl looked too good, but to be honest Carl looked gassed the last couple.. fitness needs to improve
Frampton clearly won but a much tougher fight than it should have been. Really begs the question as to what's left.
Quote from: gallsman on November 19, 2017, 02:24:18 AM
Frampton clearly won but a much tougher fight than it should have been. Really begs the question as to what's left.
Whole training regime has changed this won't be an easy transition from what he had to now! Would need to pick a couple of easier fights if I'm honest before even thinking about Selby or anyone else! He's 30 now been hard at it since he was a young lad and finding it very difficult to make weight, Garcia was a bigger unit than Carl and once he got through the first 4 rounds he was sticking around!
How the ref seen that as a knockdown is beyond me, that's what made it tighter, unless the judges disregarded that
Frampton said according to rules it should count as knockdown as he was hit after he slipped...
Well yes, but would have been very harsh had that have cost him the fight!
Bunce who I'd listen to on his fight knowledge was spot on today on 5 live, tiredness new team (promotion management trainer) plus the split with Barry was emotional, certainly from all the information that I was getting from the family, glad that things have been smooth in that respect!
Carl's not going to be pulling up trees at this stage, was told his sparing has completely changed from before and prep totally different. I suppose at this stage you can't go hammer and tongs at it.. get a few more pay days and a title fight would be plenty for him to retire, be a commentator/pundit and enjoy his hard work
Haye pulls out of the Bellew fight
That must be Haye finished at this stage.
Barry McGuigan and Cyclone promotions have launched legal proceedings against Carl Frampton in relation to their split earlier this year.
A statement released by Frampton's legal representative, John Finucane read:
"Mr Frampton is deeply disappointed that Cyclone Promotions have decided to initiate legal action against him, however he will not only defend this action rigorously but can confirm he will be counter claiming on a number of grounds.
"Mr Frampton is confident that this process will vindicate his position and reputation, and looks forward to engaging fully in this process to present all aspects of this claim before the court.
"Therefore it would be inappropriate to issue any further comment at this time."
Bold move by Barry here, one that I think they will later regret. Boxers from here operate in a pretty tight knit circle. Not too many fighters will want to be doing business with them again.
In hindsight I think the prospect of a potential legal battle with the McGuigans was a major factor in Carl signing with Frank Warren, he's not a bad man to have in your corner when it comes to a legal dispute he has a bit of experience over the years.
Sad state of affairs and there will be plenty coming out of this that won't look good for Barry and family, Carl sought legal advice in this before changing management..
This is very sad. I seem to remember Barry saying one of biggest regrets in life was standing in court opposite Barney Eastwood, yet here he is again. Clearly irreconcilable differences here but nobody wins if this goes to court.
Well it's breach of contract so o can totally see why Barry is going down this route, but there should have been an easier way
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 07:14:16 PM
Sad state of affairs and there will be plenty coming out of this that won't look good for Barry and family, Carl sought legal advice in this before changing management..
Well it's breach of contract so o can totally see why Barry is going down this route, but there should have been an easier way
Bit confused by this..on one hand you say.Frampton took legal advice then say it's a breach of contract??..is mcGuigan or Frampton in the right , legally..and/or morally?
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2017, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 07:14:16 PM
Sad state of affairs and there will be plenty coming out of this that won't look good for Barry and family, Carl sought legal advice in this before changing management..
Well it's breach of contract so o can totally see why Barry is going down this route, but there should have been an easier way
Yes to both statements
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2017, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 07:14:16 PM
Sad state of affairs and there will be plenty coming out of this that won't look good for Barry and family, Carl sought legal advice in this before changing management..
Well it's breach of contract so o can totally see why Barry is going down this route, but there should have been an easier way
Bit confused by this..on one hand you say.Frampton took legal advice then say it's a breach of contract??..is mcGuigan or Frampton in the right , legally..and/or morally?
There are things that have come to light about the dealings during Carl's time with cyclone promotions, and yes if Carl was in breach of contract then Barry is in his rights if that's the case, but I was told Carl had sought legal advice before the move so who knows, until it all comes out in court...
Unfortunately it will be dirty linen washed out in public.. no good for anyone
So I am assuming that Carl and his lawyers felt that the actions of the mcguigan's had already left their contract null and void, freeing him from it's obligations.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 26, 2017, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 07:14:16 PM
Sad state of affairs and there will be plenty coming out of this that won't look good for Barry and family, Carl sought legal advice in this before changing management..
Well it's breach of contract so o can totally see why Barry is going down this route, but there should have been an easier way
Bit confused by this..on one hand you say.Frampton took legal advice then say it's a breach of contract??..is mcGuigan or Frampton in the right , legally..and/or morally?
There are things that have come to light about the dealings during Carl's time with cyclone promotions, and yes if Carl was in breach of contract then Barry is in his rights if that's the case, but I was told Carl had sought legal advice before the move so who knows, until it all comes out in court...
Unfortunately it will be dirty linen washed out in public.. no good for anyone
Its great for everyone MR2, boxing is a shady game with people trying to exploit each other for as much as they can get away with at pretty much every opportunity. So it will be interesting to see who was doing the dirty tricks in this one.
To be fair, did everyone not see this ending in exactly this fashion from the minute the ink was dry on the first contract?
Barry was once the darling of the six counties, Ulster and Ireland.
Then he got bate, fought with Eastwood and had that gawd-awful chat show, a helluva low point. Most embarrassing television ever.
He rose again as Frampton's manager.
Now he's back on the ropes again.
Is it curtains or will he bounce back again?
I'd say that's a fair summary LB.
It can work both ways though. I believe Ricky Burns got similar advice when he terminated his contract early, leaving Frank Warren and joining Eddie Hearn / matchroom. Frank Warren lodged proceedings which resulted in Burns being bankrupt.
Appreciate MR2 is trying to just state the facts here but in doing so he has also been overly kind to McGuigan.
Common denominator running through this whole saga is McGuigan's greed. Once upon a time, Eddie Hearn was Frampton's promoter. Like him or loathe him, he's the best promoter in boxing this side of the Atlantic. Barry got greedy and wanted to wear not only the manager hat but the promoter hat as well and so Cyclone Promotions was born. Frampton stayed loyal to McGuigan when he could have easily stayed with Hearn. With Cyclone being a family business, one fall out with any of them was never going to end well.
Who was responsible for the fall out ? I don't know the ins and outs of it but I really can't see Frampton ending his contract with Cyclone for no reason.
All things considered I thought Barry would have been wise not to launch proceedings but he seems to have got greedy once again and gone for it. I don't think Barry will come out of it well as it is played out before the public eye.
The same day Cyclone launched legal proceedings, Carl was getting ready to go to Kenya with his wife to help out with Trocaire. Says it all really.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 27, 2017, 09:14:28 AM
So I am assuming that Carl and his lawyers felt that the actions of the mcguigan's had already left their contract null and void, freeing him from it's obligations.
In a nutshell, so it will be who can throw the most dirt!! but its all down to the contracts I'd imagine
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"
Barry might well remember that
Young Irish lad, local to me making his pro debut on the Cotto bill at Madison Square Garden tonight. He's Aaron McKenna and at 18 is the youngest fighter ever to fight at the Garden. He's been signed up by Goldenboy Promotions so as you can imagine he's a pretty serious prospect.
https://www.facebook.com/loretta.mckenna.3/posts/1627923137247308
http://www.irish-boxing.com/new-york-debut-nightmare-for-aaron-mckenna/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss
His fight is due to licencing issues with his opponent. It's an awful shame for him but hopefully we'll be hearing much more about him in the near future. A huge disappointment also to the big band of ones from Monaghan and beyond who had travelled out to see him..
I see jamie conlon has taken up a public development officer role with that mtk global crowd. Anyone know if that means he has stopped boxing?
Quote from: Boycey on December 02, 2017, 07:56:43 PM
http://www.irish-boxing.com/new-york-debut-nightmare-for-aaron-mckenna/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss
His fight is due to licencing issues with his opponent. It's an awful shame for him but hopefully we'll be hearing much more about him in the near future. A huge disappointment also to the big band of ones from Monaghan and beyond who had travelled out to see him..
He is fighting this weekend
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 07, 2017, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: Boycey on December 02, 2017, 07:56:43 PM
http://www.irish-boxing.com/new-york-debut-nightmare-for-aaron-mckenna/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss
His fight is due to licencing issues with his opponent. It's an awful shame for him but hopefully we'll be hearing much more about him in the near future. A huge disappointment also to the big band of ones from Monaghan and beyond who had travelled out to see him..
He is fighting this weekend
Aye
http://www.irish-boxing.com/aaron-mckenna-handed-replacement-debut-date/
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
QuoteLomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Absolutely - hope it lives up to expectations
Two best boxers in the world.
Glad Rigo is getting a big fight at last but unfortunately its far from on his terms, he's he's well past it now plus he is giving up 2 (or is 3?) weight divisions for this fight.
I think he can still cause Lomo a few issues tho, but the weight difference will probably mean he could bully Rigo if its not going his way still should be good tho.
Rigondeaux at 3/1 for this one, bookies seem fairly confident.
Quote from: Declan on December 07, 2017, 01:11:57 PM
QuoteLomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Absolutely - hope it lives up to expectations
Lomachenko hot hot favourite though. 1/5 on. Rig 7/2. Doesn't suggest a tight scrap.
QuoteGlad Rigo is getting a big fight at last but unfortunately its far from on his terms, he's he's well past it now plus he is giving up 2 (or is 3?) weight divisions for this fight.
I think he can still cause Lomo a few issues tho, but the weight difference will probably mean he could bully Rigo if its not going his way still should be good tho.
As the old saying goes "a good big un will always beat a good little un"
Has Rigo more power though and if so will that transfer to the new weight class? Should be a very interesting fight
Certainly worth watching or even getting the next morning compared to some bigger publicity fights this year though.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 07, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Does anyone know if this is on the normal Boxnation subscription that you get with BT sports?
I think Lomachenko wins this with ease. Too big and just too good. Although I'm a fan of Rigo, I think he may just be on the slide. Well worth watching though.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 08, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 07, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Does anyone know if this is on the normal Boxnation subscription that you get with BT sports?
I think Lomachenko wins this with ease. Too big and just too good. Although I'm a fan of Rigo, I think he may just be on the slide. Well worth watching though.
You'll pick it up if you subscribe to Box Nation, think you can stream it - I am nearly sure I read somewhere if you have BT Sports you'll get it through their app or something too.
Quote from: lurganblue on December 08, 2017, 09:38:27 AM
Has Rigo more power though and if so will that transfer to the new weight class? Should be a very interesting fight
Rigo doesn't have punching power anyway so it's definitely not going to carry up!
This is live on ESPN...happy days!
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 08, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 07, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Does anyone know if this is on the normal Boxnation subscription that you get with BT sports?
I think Lomachenko wins this with ease. Too big and just too good. Although I'm a fan of Rigo, I think he may just be on the slide. Well worth watching though.
You have to subscribe to Boxnation separately to get it, it's not being shown on bt sport.
De Gale in bother here?
He shouldn't get decision...
Not impressive at all.
DeGale beat. That wasn't in the script. He was terrible.
Conlan comfortable and in complete control here without ever really bothering Molina. Needs to step up in class next time out.
Rigo No mas for 7th
Jesus. I thought Loma would win handily as I wasn't sure what offense Rigo could manage but didn't see him quitting like that.
Talk of injured hands or not, fight was only going one way and would have been a 12 round beat down.
Disappointing to say the least.
Lomachenko is something else, unbelievably dominant performance. P4P#1 IMO
Disapointing from Rigo maybe he'll get more big fights now tho
QuoteJesus. I thought Loma would win handily as I wasn't sure what offense Rigo could manage but didn't see him quitting like that.
Talk of injured hands or not, fight was only going one way and would have been a 12 round beat down.
Disappointing to say the least.
+1 - very disappointing
Quote from: glens73 on December 08, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 08, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 07, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Does anyone know if this is on the normal Boxnation subscription that you get with BT sports?
I think Lomachenko wins this with ease. Too big and just too good. Although I'm a fan of Rigo, I think he may just be on the slide. Well worth watching though.
You have to subscribe to Boxnation separately to get it, it's not being shown on bt sport.
That's not correct. I have BT Sports and don't have a separate Box Nation subscription, but I was able to watch the DeGale and Loma-Rigo fights on BoxNation.
I think BoxNation can limit some fights just for direct subscribers, but it's pretty rare.
Had high hopes for the fight but wasn't as built up, unfortunate.
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: glens73 on December 08, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 08, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 07, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Does anyone know if this is on the normal Boxnation subscription that you get with BT sports?
I think Lomachenko wins this with ease. Too big and just too good. Although I'm a fan of Rigo, I think he may just be on the slide. Well worth watching though.
You have to subscribe to Boxnation separately to get it, it's not being shown on bt sport.
That's not correct. I have BT Sports and don't have a separate Box Nation subscription, but I was able to watch the DeGale and Loma-Rigo fights on BoxNation.
I think BoxNation can limit some fights just for direct subscribers, but it's pretty rare.
I was wrong on this but I had heard initially when this fight was announced that it wouldn't be available on Boxnation to BT sport subscribers similar to the GGG v Canelo fight. I still didn't believe it until I checked on Sunday morning to see if it had recorded and thankfully it had, or maybe not after I watched it, such a let down.
Quote from: glens73 on December 11, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: glens73 on December 08, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 08, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 07, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux this weekend, could potentially be one of the greatest fights ever.
Does anyone know if this is on the normal Boxnation subscription that you get with BT sports?
I think Lomachenko wins this with ease. Too big and just too good. Although I'm a fan of Rigo, I think he may just be on the slide. Well worth watching though.
You have to subscribe to Boxnation separately to get it, it's not being shown on bt sport.
That's not correct. I have BT Sports and don't have a separate Box Nation subscription, but I was able to watch the DeGale and Loma-Rigo fights on BoxNation.
I think BoxNation can limit some fights just for direct subscribers, but it's pretty rare.
I was wrong on this but I had heard initially when this fight was announced that it wouldn't be available on Boxnation to BT sport subscribers similar to the GGG v Canelo fight. I still didn't believe it until I checked on Sunday morning to see if it had recorded and thankfully it had, or maybe not after I watched it, such a let down.
I was going to post this earlier - I had Sky plussed it not knowing if it would record it or not but it did ok. I think the HD may require a further subscription and some events are PPV e.g. GGG V Canelo.
Quote from: Boycey on December 07, 2017, 10:45:54 AM
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Quote from: Boycey on December 02, 2017, 07:56:43 PM
http://www.irish-boxing.com/new-york-debut-nightmare-for-aaron-mckenna/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss
His fight is due to licencing issues with his opponent. It's an awful shame for him but hopefully we'll be hearing much more about him in the near future. A huge disappointment also to the big band of ones from Monaghan and beyond who had travelled out to see him..
He is fighting this weekend
Aye
http://www.irish-boxing.com/aaron-mckenna-handed-replacement-debut-date/
McKennas fight is on here (20mins in) worth a look in my opinion.
https://www.facebook.com/GoldenBoyBoxing/videos/10155323488280756/
Decent fight for his first pro match! Plenty power and solid punching! Nice place to get your first fight
I see Ireland's finest back on the trail to reclaim his rightful title
What's he breaking the scales at these days anyway
Breaking the scales full stop I would imagine. Total mouth
Who?
Think they refer to the incomparable Mr Fury.
Who I'm actually looking forward to seeing back in the ring, despite his mouth he's a pretty good boxer and Joshua will not be happy to see him back no matter what he says.
Donaire has posted this on Facebook a few hours ago:
'In other news, could anyone tell me what the temperature looks like in Belfast around March? Asking for a friend 😁'
Also see Jason Quigley is going to be trained now by Ingle in Sheffield.
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 13, 2017, 01:28:13 PM
Donaire has posted this on Facebook a few hours ago:
'In other news, could anyone tell me what the temperature looks like in Belfast around March? Asking for a friend 😁'
Also see Jason Quigley is going to be trained now by Ingle in Sheffield.
Interesting. I'd imagine 95% of Frampton fans have never heard of him or wouldn't understand just how good he was.
That would be a cracking fight if it happens and a real test of where Frampton is at.
Quote from: gallsman on December 13, 2017, 01:38:35 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 13, 2017, 01:28:13 PM
Donaire has posted this on Facebook a few hours ago:
'In other news, could anyone tell me what the temperature looks like in Belfast around March? Asking for a friend 😁'
Also see Jason Quigley is going to be trained now by Ingle in Sheffield.
Interesting. I'd imagine 95% of Frampton fans have never heard of him or wouldn't understand just how good he was.
You're kidding, right?
Not in the slightest.
Always liked Fury, watched most of his fights from McDermot 1 on and never would have him down as a cheat but the uncastrated boar excuse is hardly believable. How did Hughie get fighting again sooner than Tysin when they both had the same charges agaibst them?
Katie Taylor fight about to start.
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 13, 2017, 10:54:05 PM
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Katie Taylor fight about to start.
Is it on mobdro?
It's free on Sky Sports Mix.
Should be on Mobdro also I guess.
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Quote from: laoislad on December 13, 2017, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 13, 2017, 10:54:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 13, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
Katie Taylor fight about to start.
Is it on mobdro?
It's free on Sky Sports Mix.
Should be on Mobdro also I guess.
Getting the city v Swansea game on sky mix
I dunno mate I'm watching it on Sky Sports Mix. Maybe it's only in the South that it's on?
Read somewhere today this doll never boxed as an amateur. She's having a go too
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Quote from: laoislad on December 13, 2017, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 13, 2017, 10:54:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 13, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
Katie Taylor fight about to start.
Is it on mobdro?
It's free on Sky Sports Mix.
Should be on Mobdro also I guess.
Getting the city v Swansea game on sky mix
I dunno mate I'm watching it on Sky Sports Mix. Maybe it's only in the South that it's on?
Just found it on sky sports main event
She's having more than a go. Absolutely deserves to be in there. She's being outclassed but causing KT plenty of problems.
All the classy work is from Taylor but definitely no harm to see someone giving her a decent contest.
Sanchez gave her plenty too when she won the title. Definitely good to see her not hey everything hey own way so early in her career. I know it's a small card on a Wednesday night but headlining in York Hall is a big deal
That "let's bang" attitude she was showing in the 10th slightly worrying! For such an intelligent boxer, she doesn't need to do it!
Quote from: gallsman on December 13, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
Sanchez gave her plenty too when she won the title. Definitely good to see her not hey everything hey own way so early in her career. I know it's a small card on a Wednesday night but headlining in York Hall is a big deal
That "let's bang" attitude she was showing in the 10th slightly worrying! For such an intelligent boxer, she doesn't need to do it!
I thought that too - is it just to make her a more "exciting" boxer and pull in more cash?
I know little about the depth of talent in women's boxing but is there the possibility she runs out of opponents relatively quickly?
Quote from: Boycey on December 13, 2017, 11:43:05 PM
I know little about the depth of talent in women's boxing but is there the possibility she runs out of opponents relatively quickly?
Sounds like there are 2 or 3 belts she doesn't have yet so hopefully she can get a few of those next year!!
That looked like an awkward horrible physical fight for Taylor it was great to see her get through it. Now she has that kind of experience against a brawler which she probably hasn't faced before.
Onwards and upwards!!
That was a decent nights boxing for a Wednesday night 10 days before Christmas. The Conor Benn fight was superb and im a big fan of Josh Kelly he's a classy operator.
Ward looked good too.
I see betting is very split on Lemieux Saunders
Personally hope Saunders gets KOed but dislikeable as he is, he is a slick enough fighter.
Still going for Lemieux stoppage 7-10. Actually looking forward to it
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 15, 2017, 06:48:36 AM
I see betting is very split on Lemieux Saunders
Personally hope Saunders gets KOed but dislikeable as he is, he is a slick enough fighter.
Still going for Lemieux stoppage 7-10. Actually looking forward to it
Saunders on points is my thinking.
Watched the Benn fight. Great scrap but he was very lucky with the decision i think.
Quote from: lurganblue on December 15, 2017, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on December 15, 2017, 06:48:36 AM
I see betting is very split on Lemieux Saunders
Personally hope Saunders gets KOed but dislikeable as he is, he is a slick enough fighter.
Still going for Lemieux stoppage 7-10. Actually looking forward to it
Saunders on points is my thinking.
Watched the Benn fight. Great scrap but he was very lucky with the decision i think.
Saunders looked in his best shape for a long time at the weigh in but making a dick of himself as usual. I'm not a big fan and I'm never convinced by him but he always seems to find a way to win.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on December 15, 2017, 06:48:36 AM
I see betting is very split on Lemieux Saunders
Personally hope Saunders gets KOed but dislikeable as he is, he is a slick enough fighter.
Still going for Lemieux stoppage 7-10. Actually looking forward to it
Saunders on points is my thinking.
Watched the Benn fight. Great scrap but he was very lucky with the decision i think.
Saunders looked in his best shape for a long time at the weigh in but making a dick of himself as usual. I'm not a big fan and I'm never convinced by him but he always seems to find a way to win.
Him and Ingle both
Surprisingly Lemuiex was the one who didnt look great at the weigh in, a wee bit gaunt.
Saunders is headin for a hiding soon.. hopefully tomorrow but if not then when he faces GGG or Canelo but Id hate to see him get that payday.
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 13, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 13, 2017, 11:32:05 PM
Sanchez gave her plenty too when she won the title. Definitely good to see her not hey everything hey own way so early in her career. I know it's a small card on a Wednesday night but headlining in York Hall is a big deal
That "let's bang" attitude she was showing in the 10th slightly worrying! For such an intelligent boxer, she doesn't need to do it!
I thought that too - is it just to make her a more "exciting" boxer and pull in more cash?
Were you aroused watching the two sweaty women beating each other? Katy had a nice slutty outfit
Just watched BJS fight. I was actually very impressed. Won every round bar maybe the last. Whatever about his style, he proved himself to be a talented boxer.
Just watched it there. He was superb. Practically flawless performance. Never seen it being that easy.
Fair play to the lad. His move to the Ingle gym seems to have reinvigorated his career. Looks to be seriously motivated. Unlikely he will get the GGG fight he wants just yet though. Jacobs next would be a nice fight.
Yeah he doesn't really want the GGG fight though, does he?
Warren says Donaire is a 'done deal' for Carl's next fight then.
Odyssey booked and all April 18th
Quote from: The Gs Man on December 21, 2017, 02:02:59 PM
Odyssey booked and all April 18th
21st ;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTGdIFEXUAA-V6m.jpg)
Should be an excellent fight.
Frampton opening up as a huge favourite on this one, just seen 1/6.
Would you think he's as nailed on for the win as that?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
Frampton opening up as a huge favourite on this one, just seen 1/6.
Would you think he's as nailed on for the win as that?
Donaire is past his best but his best was so good he has a long fall to reach even being an ordinary fighter. At home Frampton should work him but it could easily end up a fight of the year candidate.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 09, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
Frampton opening up as a huge favourite on this one, just seen 1/6.
Would you think he's as nailed on for the win as that?
Thats a crazy price, 1/2 would be a better price, based on last fight and how this guy is a better fighter (in my opinion) than the last opponent.. While not as explosive as he used to be he has a dangerous left hook!! be a good fight
I wouldn't be surprised if Donaire beat him!
Frampton has went backward. Should have went for a highly-rated trainer at least, promoter aside.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 10, 2018, 09:48:41 AM
Frampton has went backward. Should have went for a highly-rated trainer at least, promoter aside.
I think thats the only way you go when you reach the summit, 5 fights to achieve something and generate a nest egg then retire..
The fight fans will come out and should he get a Windsor park fight that would cover him comfortably, he'll be 31 very soon, so not to many years left to make another impact
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2018, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 10, 2018, 09:48:41 AM
Frampton has went backward. Should have went for a highly-rated trainer at least, promoter aside.
I think thats the only way you go when you reach the summit, 5 fights to achieve something and generate a nest egg then retire..
The fight fans will come out and should he get a Windsor park fight that would cover him comfortably, he'll be 31 very soon, so not to many years left to make another impact
No reason why he shouldn't be able to stay at the summit but for some reason (most likely financially motivated) he has went for a trainer with basically no experience and a promoter who is not top drawer either. He isn't that old, hasn't had a load of fights and should be aiming for the big fights but recently the calibre of opponent has been a let down.
Amir Khan has signed a three fight deal with Hearn and his next fight is the same night as Framptons . Interesting move from Eddie!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2018, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 10, 2018, 09:48:41 AM
Frampton has went backward. Should have went for a highly-rated trainer at least, promoter aside.
I think thats the only way you go when you reach the summit, 5 fights to achieve something and generate a nest egg then retire..
The fight fans will come out and should he get a Windsor park fight that would cover him comfortably, he'll be 31 very soon, so not to many years left to make another impact
No reason why he shouldn't be able to stay at the summit but for some reason (most likely financially motivated) he has went for a trainer with basically no experience and a promoter who is not top drawer either. He isn't that old, hasn't had a load of fights and should be aiming for the big fights but recently the calibre of opponent has been a let down.
There's no let down in getting a fighter like Donaire in Belfast. Probably the best fight on paper that has ever been staged in Ireland.
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 10, 2018, 12:42:29 PM
Amir Khan has signed a three fight deal with Hearn and his next fight is the same night as Framptons . Interesting move from Eddie!
Broner was the rumour yesterday
Wonder does that make Brook-Khan more likely?
Think you're a bit harsh on Frampton there Nrico. Donaire is a huge name in boxing and that fight will tell us a lot about him. I think he gets a bye with that last fight being out if the ring that long.
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2018, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 10, 2018, 09:48:41 AM
Frampton has went backward. Should have went for a highly-rated trainer at least, promoter aside.
I think thats the only way you go when you reach the summit, 5 fights to achieve something and generate a nest egg then retire..
The fight fans will come out and should he get a Windsor park fight that would cover him comfortably, he'll be 31 very soon, so not to many years left to make another impact
No reason why he shouldn't be able to stay at the summit but for some reason (most likely financially motivated) he has went for a trainer with basically no experience and a promoter who is not top drawer either. He isn't that old, hasn't had a load of fights and should be aiming for the big fights but recently the calibre of opponent has been a let down.
There's no let down in getting a fighter like Donaire in Belfast. Probably the best fight on paper that has ever been staged in Ireland.
Collins-Eubank.
Joshua vs Parker - unification fight - March 31st in Cardiff.
Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2018, 05:45:41 PM
Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
If he were to lose, I don't think he will personally, but if he was....that would be the end of him?
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2018, 05:45:41 PM
Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
If he were to lose, I don't think he will personally, but if he was....that would be the end of him?
It won't be the end of him but it certainly knocks him off the big money train? He left McGuigan for big fights, including in the U.S..I think those go away with a loss.... He deserves some good pay days, set himself up, take a media role, work with olympians, I don't know...as I said I'm a fan and want the best for him but I'm also a realist - if his performance doesn't improve from last time out his retirement plans are going to change...
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2018, 05:45:41 PM
Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
If he were to lose, I don't think he will personally, but if he was....that would be the end of him?
It won't be the end of him but it certainly knocks him off the big money train? He left McGuigan for big fights, including in the U.S..I think those go away with a loss.... He deserves some good pay days, set himself up, take a media role, work with olympians, I don't know...as I said I'm a fan and want the best for him but I'm also a realist - if his performance doesn't improve from last time out his retirement plans are going to change...
surely he has plenty of money as it is
I'm hoping Carl has been able to assess his weaknesses from last time out... a few things i noticed was a lack of urgency when he was on top in the early rounds, dont be messing about and give the fans a show, if you can knock him out do it as soon as you can, i felt he let the other guy off the hook in the early rounds and then was drawn into a harder fight than it appeared
Hopefully he has been able to lift his fitness level so that things aren't as laboured, should the fight go the distance
Hopefully his confidence is back to where is was and that will only help his hunger to
No complacency, as this guy can punch and is very experienced...
And forget what the bookies have it at, he's not a 1/6 against this guy, I fancy this fight to go the distance but easier than last time
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Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
If he were to lose, I don't think he will personally, but if he was....that would be the end of him?
It won't be the end of him but it certainly knocks him off the big money train? He left McGuigan for big fights, including in the U.S..I think those go away with a loss.... He deserves some good pay days, set himself up, take a media role, work with olympians, I don't know...as I said I'm a fan and want the best for him but I'm also a realist - if his performance doesn't improve from last time out his retirement plans are going to change...
surely he has plenty of money as it is
How much is enough? I'm not sure what he has, Ive never asked him but should he retire after this fight he'll be 31, thats 40/50 years plus to make sure you an income to live and pay for your own life and then generate enough money so that your children and close family are comfortable.....
I'd say he's no where near got the money you think he has... he's got people to payout of his purse, once you add it all up youre not left with a big pile
Brian Magee travelled to Denmark to fight Kessler in defense of his world title, I'm nearly sure he travelled by minibus! Magee runs a sucessful gym and I'm sure if he had made it he'd be relaxing and enjoying retirement
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2018, 05:45:41 PM
Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
If he were to lose, I don't think he will personally, but if he was....that would be the end of him?
It won't be the end of him but it certainly knocks him off the big money train? He left McGuigan for big fights, including in the U.S..I think those go away with a loss.... He deserves some good pay days, set himself up, take a media role, work with olympians, I don't know...as I said I'm a fan and want the best for him but I'm also a realist - if his performance doesn't improve from last time out his retirement plans are going to change...
surely he has plenty of money as it is
what is plenty of money? because he's from Tiger's bay he should be happy with what he has? or from Belfast? The more you get the more you want the more you need... I'm sure he enjoys taking care of his family, having a nice house, car and all the trimmings...300K a year lifestyle - for the next 50 years....
I don't think he has that kind of money... but he can get it if he stays on track..
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Quote from: The Iceman on January 15, 2018, 05:45:41 PM
Collins - Eubank 1 in Cork - definitely the biggest fight in Ireland to date. I don't think Frampton's next one eclipses it.
I've a big Frampton fan - I've shared before his note and autograph to me - he's a classy guy. I have some real concerns after his last performance and hope he can turn things around. This is a big fight, a big money fight, a big exposure fight but a very risky fight...definitely makes for interesting viewing...
If he were to lose, I don't think he will personally, but if he was....that would be the end of him?
It won't be the end of him but it certainly knocks him off the big money train? He left McGuigan for big fights, including in the U.S..I think those go away with a loss.... He deserves some good pay days, set himself up, take a media role, work with olympians, I don't know...as I said I'm a fan and want the best for him but I'm also a realist - if his performance doesn't improve from last time out his retirement plans are going to change...
surely he has plenty of money as it is
what is plenty of money? because he's from Tiger's bay he should be happy with what he has? or from Belfast? The more you get the more you want the more you need... I'm sure he enjoys taking care of his family, having a nice house, car and all the trimmings...300K a year lifestyle - for the next 50 years....
I don't think he has that kind of money... but he can get it if he stays on track..
maybe I phrased it wrong - and I left out a ? - but I was not referring to where he is from or suggesting he should be happy with what he has got. Obviously the more he can get the better but if he retired now would he not have plenty of money to live a comfortable life? Certainly he would have more than most?
retiring in his 30s to live another 40/50 years on what he has?
What's enough? I'm interested to know what you think a family could manage on per year for the next 40-50 years and be comfortable like they might be now?
I'd say he would want to be on 300K a year for the rest of his life to make sure he continues his current lifestyle, enjoys a nice house, car, holidays and all the trimmings, takes care of his kids financial future and looks after extended family. Thats 15 million in the bank before he retires..I don't think he has that?
Quote from: The Iceman on January 16, 2018, 02:46:13 PM
retiring in his 30s to live another 40/50 years on what he has?
What's enough? I'm interested to know what you think a family could manage on per year for the next 40-50 years and be comfortable like they might be now?
I'd say he would want to be on 300K a year for the rest of his life to make sure he continues his current lifestyle, enjoys a nice house, car, holidays and all the trimmings, takes care of his kids financial future and looks after extended family. Thats 15 million in the bank before he retires..I don't think he has that?
I have no idea but Im sure I read the Santa Cruz fights "set him up for life"?
a quick google search shows that boxers don't get paid as much as I thought. I guess when you see the money the like of Mayweather/Joshua got/get it skews things
£100 grand a year would just about set me up for life if i stopped working, as i'd stil have my bills holidays puting kids through school and arranging trust funds for my kids. my needs are modest :P
..$1.5 million purse for for the fights with Cruz, equates to a million sterling possibly... now out of that million he's to pay the McGuigans, all of the McGuigans.. the mum daughter and 2 sons all had an intrest in the Cyclone promotions... percentages as trainers, PR, management, accommadation, flights, gym fees, food
Those costs add up and don't exactly leave you with much to yourself.. getting established takes time and that window of making big money is a small one
I don't think he has as much in the bank as people would think. He has been getting cleaned for years. Boxers in general don't get paid that much apart for the top 10 or so fellas. If he got the Selby and Santa Cruz fights then he will probably be happy enough. Nice wee gig working at Sky Sports or something like that and that'll keep him ticking over. As much as McGregor is a dickhead you have to give it to him - he's fooled so many people into getting him over 100m for a single fight. Amazing.
Generally not the big money at lighter weights. Expenses is some chunk out of their purse.
Being hung up on fighting at home surely has had a negative impact on his career. He had his foot in the door in America and already headlined in Vegas. Fighters from here or even in Britain rarely get a chance to do that. If it wasn't for wanting the 3rd Santa Cruz fight to be in Belfast then it would already have happened.
I agree! Fight in Vegas or fight in Windsor? Ffs.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 17, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Being hung up on fighting at home surely has had a negative impact on his career. He had his foot in the door in America and already headlined in Vegas. Fighters from here or even in Britain rarely get a chance to do that. If it wasn't for wanting the 3rd Santa Cruz fight to be in Belfast then it would already have happened.
He has fought him twice in the states, he's had 3 fights over there and won twice lost one, Cruz wont come back to Belfast, his father wont let that happen, and why should he!
Windsor park fight would generate a lot of money for all involved those are the pay days he needs to retire comfortably enough, he needs Selby fight or another big hitter to generate enough interest to fill the likes of Windsor and get a big TV company to show it, where there will be more money...
So much on at stake with this fight, a good peformance needed, he hasnt picked a muppet either so regardless of the bookies thoughts he'll have to come through it with the chance of getting an eliminator as the other lads wont be too fussed to fight Carl unless they have to
Watched the press conference there for the Frampton fight, really looking forward to this fight! But he has to win I feel or it will be up in the air!
Great interview with the great Tyson Fury lol.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGjSIdahmJY
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
Watched the press conference there for the Frampton fight, really looking forward to this fight! But he has to win I feel or it will be up in the air!
Pretty much, must win for Frampton I'm afraid in respect of World Titles etc. Nobody will want to face though even after a loss, he would still be too dangerous and in a quagmire of being not good enough but too good for most.
Michael Conlan teaming up with Adam Booth. Good move from Conlan in my opinion I think Booth is the top trainer in the UK. I like what he's doing with Burnett and Kelly looks top drawer too. Good stable of fighters boxing out of that gym now.
That's him and Quigley both jumping ship from the US now.
disappointing to see conlan move back, was he homesick or what, the states is def the place to be imo re the fight game
Canelo/GGG 2 happening on May 5th
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2018, 10:30:41 PM
Canelo/GGG 2 happening on May 5th
GGG to finish him off this time surely.
Wouldn't be surprised if that happened, but wouldn't discount Canelo either he is very good and Golovkin never looked like he had him in a lot of bother.
Think it will be good regardless
I think GGG knows that Canelo cannot hurt him and will go to work a lot earlier this time.
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And following on from that
Quote@winkerwatson1
Former world champion boxer Carl Frampton has issued legal proceedings against ex-manager Barry McGuigan. He lodged a writ at the High Court in connection with alleged earnings from some of his fights.
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And following on from that
Quote@winkerwatson1
Former world champion boxer Carl Frampton has issued legal proceedings against ex-manager Barry McGuigan. He lodged a writ at the High Court in connection with alleged earnings from some of his fights.
History repeating itself for Barry
Another disgrace in boxing with Burnett being stripped of his IBF title.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 16, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
Another disgrace in boxing with Burnett being stripped of his IBF title.
what was the reason?
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Quote from: nrico2006 on February 16, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
Another disgrace in boxing with Burnett being stripped of his IBF title.
what was the reason?
Joke. He is defending his WBA belt v the mandatory. IBF wanted him to fight their mandatory.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on February 16, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 16, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
Another disgrace in boxing with Burnett being stripped of his IBF title.
what was the reason?
Joke. He is defending his WBA belt v the mandatory. IBF wanted him to fight their mandatory.
ridiculous
Its a complete joke how they accommodate certain fighters and don't with others. Was exciting to see a man target the genuine belts and possess half of them already.
Jaysus Prince Naz has let himself go...
Good streams?
I'm on my IPTV, sorry
Saw this link on another forum apparently working well..
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGakzoQQbxjP
Embarrassing enough from Eubank. Way too wild, way too ill disciplined. Groves had to tough it out but think he'll have been surprised how comfortable it was.
Quiet first 2 rounds. Kicked in after. Eubank is a lunatic in the ring, stupid tbh. 30 secs of inactivity then 3/4 haymakers, crazy stuff at this level. Groves won handy enough in the end . The final round was incredible, Rocky 2esque.
Yeah very poor from Eubank. Another hype job. Swing and hope seemed to be in his favoured tactic this evening. Groves shoulder injury surely wouldn't be healed in time for a May final?
Having said that I enjoyed the fight.
Listening now and they reckon the shoulder was buckled at the very start of the 12th round. Brave boy
Hamed doing a fair job on Eubank now. Says he doesn't have it at the elite level and won't ever.
Doing the same job on Groves now in fairness.
Hamed talks some shite.
Quote from: laceer on February 17, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Hamed talks some shite.
Way over the top from Hamed . Eubank will go back to middleweight, and if he gets a new team who can somehow get him to ditch the ego and learn how to control a fight, then he can maybe resurrect his career. Not finished yet
He needs to tell the dad to sling his hook and get a proper team around him.
Prince Naseem was the highlight of the night 😂
Groves is a very skilled boxer and took Eubank Jr apart. I think Eubank has all the skills but until he winds in the ego and gets himself a decent trainer and coach, who he actually listens to, then he will always be found out when he fights a proper boxer. This nonsense about him training himself and footage of him wrapping his own hands is utterly ridiculous and is no longer even a viable hype/promotion tactic as it's been completely laid bare. I just wonder how different tonight would have been if Adam Booth hadn't been given the boot a few years.
Saw the Danny Garcia knockout there. Such heavy hands that lad has. Surprised Rios even managed to get up but it rightly wasnt allowed to go any further.
Just read Brähmer is out of Saturdays other semi final with Callum Smith. Replacement to be announced later which might be Nieky Holzken according to the same report. I've never heard of him? Looks like an easy enough passage for Smith now.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 20, 2018, 09:21:28 AM
Just read Brähmer is out of Saturdays other semi final with Callum Smith. Replacement to be announced later which might be Nieky Holzken according to the same report. I've never heard of him? Looks like an easy enough passage for Smith now.
Good idea on paper but the super middleweight tournament wasn't exactly the top 8 fighters in the division. I see the WBC has went for a Welterweight version that reads like a Vauxhall Conference lineup.
Andy Lee has announced his retirement. One of my favourite boxers over the last few years, was gutted when he lost his belt to BJS but didn't really show up that night. Is a regular on Off the Ball and he is always worth listening to, so maybe a media career awaits.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 20, 2018, 08:11:26 PM
Andy Lee has announced his retirement. One of my favourite boxers over the last few years, was gutted when he lost his belt to BJS but didn't really show up that night. Is a regular on Off the Ball and he is always worth listening to, so maybe a media career awaits.
Was at a party one night in manhattan with the bold Andy. He was going to throw someone off a balcony over nothing - scary man with drink in him
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43214307 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43214307)
Interesting reading.
Watched Wilder v Ortis there this morning without knowing the result, started of slow but sprang into life about R4/5 - superb fight in the end.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2018, 09:04:08 AM
Watched Wilder v Ortis there this morning without knowing the result, started of slow but sprang into life about R4/5 - superb fight in the end.
Wilder Joshua will be some fight.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2018, 09:04:08 AM
Watched Wilder v Ortis there this morning without knowing the result, started of slow but sprang into life about R4/5 - superb fight in the end.
Good on ya for not saying the result. Watched it after your comment. Great fight indeed!!!
the finish was hard to watch - at that point both of them were exhausted, there was a lot of inside of the glove and swinging of bats....they weren't boxing at that point.... I think Joshua walks through him...
Good to see Brook back in the ring - he looked as sharp as ever and a nice clinical finish
Quote from: The Iceman on March 05, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
the finish was hard to watch - at that point both of them were exhausted, there was a lot of inside of the glove and swinging of bats....they weren't boxing at that point.... I think Joshua walks through him...
Good to see Brook back in the ring - he looked as sharp as ever and a nice clinical finish
Joshua looked banjaxed and almost gone against Klitschko. You could be right but both seem to carry their power through the later rounds, even when they look wiped so could go either way.
Joshua has a fight beforehand in any case. He should win, but I just don't think he is as good as the Brits would love him to be.
Quote from: The Iceman on March 05, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
the finish was hard to watch - at that point both of them were exhausted, there was a lot of inside of the glove and swinging of bats....they weren't boxing at that point.... I think Joshua walks through him...
In relation to be hard to watch - did anyone notice the camera focusing on what was presumably Ortiz's family after he got lamped in one of the early to middle rounds, his young girl's face went from a a big smile to a face of horror - I was shouting at the tv for showing such a shot.
Canelo Alvarez has failed a drugs test ahead of his rematch with GGG. Fight still on though apparently.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 05, 2018, 10:53:52 PM
Canelo Alvarez has failed a drugs test ahead of his rematch with GGG. Fight still on though apparently.
Says it was beef!
It was a voluntary drug test that he insisted on for both though so does that mean technically it's not subject to WADA?
Fight is confirmed as going ahead, i think WADA's verdict on the tests supported Alvarez in that the amount of the PED in question was consistent with what would be found in contaminated meat.
His training camp has now been moved to the States. It's not the first time a Golden Boy fighter has been victim of Mexican contaminated meat, Erik Morales was also the same. I think next time someone is found to be guilty of it they won't be treated so leniently.
Speaking of drugs cheats (and i'm not saying that Alvarez is one) ... Luis Ortiz put up a great show against Wilder at the weekend. In light of past indiscretions he was rigorously tested in the run up to the fight. He bossed a lot of the fight and I thought he had Wilder gone in the 7th, Wilder's legs still seemed to be very unsteady at the start of the 8th. But fair play to Wilder he took all the shots and rallied.
Wilder vs AJ makes for an interesting fight, if Ortiz jab caused Wilder problems then I think AJ's jab will be a nightmare for him. He's lightning in comparison to Ortiz and won't tire like he did. Having said that Wilder only seems to need that small window of opportunity to do some damage but i can't see AJ granting him that.
Eddie Hearn will be rubbing his hands at the prospect of that bout. Been a long time since there was a buzz like this round the Heavyweight scene. If that's fight made, it will probably be a Wembley job. Unless you can afford the expensive seats, going is a waste of time. Any of the cheaper seats you will just spend your time watching the fight on the big screen.
Khan vs Brook is likely to happen before the year is out as well, looking forward to that one. I've probably called him a bell end once or twice on this board but in fairness to him Khan is rarely in a dull fight.
Heard talk that it was for Cardiff, not I hear that Wilders promoter is pushing for the T-Mobile as he believes they will make bucks as the 20,000 seats are far more expensive than the 80,000 in Wembley or whatever Cardiff holds.
Wilder looks so ordinary but as mentioned some of his big shots don't even look like big shots, doesn't need much of an opportunity and even someone as wily as Ortiz couldn't keep him at bay. Joshua hits hard though, and his jab is strong but I dunno if it was Ortiz's jab that was keeping Wilder at bay or hesitation over his southpaw stance. Wilder is so quick on his feet too, can be 2 metres away and in a split second he is in on top of a fighter. At this stage this is really a 50/50 fight, both fighters could knock the other out. It was crazy to think that if Wilder came in against Joshua at the weight he fought on Saturday then he would be giving up the guts of 2 stone. Joshua will take care of Parker no bother.
Wtf is Quigg at missing weight for a world title by nearly 3lbs?? Seriously unprofessional to be out by that much.
I can't believe you'd say Joshua-Wilder is a 50/50 fight.
Joshua is going to make him look very stupid.
Quote from: square_ball on March 09, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Wtf is Quigg at missing weight for a world title by nearly 3lbs?? Seriously unprofessional to be out by that much.
Just read that. Quigg always have the impression of being meticulous in his training. I remember watching a documentary before the Frampton fight showing how strict his regime was and how his lived a near hermit life such was his dedication to his boxing. He moves to America and within a few fights he's nearly 3lb overweight at a higher weight division.
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 10, 2018, 07:23:10 AM
Quote from: square_ball on March 09, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Wtf is Quigg at missing weight for a world title by nearly 3lbs?? Seriously unprofessional to be out by that much.
Just read that. Quigg always have the impression of being meticulous in his training. I remember watching a documentary before the Frampton fight showing how strict his regime was and how his lived a near hermit life such was his dedication to his boxing. He moves to America and within a few fights he's nearly 3lb overweight at a higher weight division.
I was hoping Quigg would have won this bout to set up another rematch with Carl!
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2018, 11:34:38 PM
I can't believe you'd say Joshua-Wilder is a 50/50 fight.
Joshua is going to make him look very stupid.
I would fancy Joshua to win but Wilder is unpredictable and has probably the hardest punch in the division.
I had thought Quigg would have a good chance tonight until i saw the scales yesterday. Either he has come in heavy on purpose and gains an advantage or he is weight drained and will suffer because of it.
Watched the Quigg fight there, they reckoned he was fighting at 10.2st!! Valdez is a goodun.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 11, 2018, 08:38:04 AM
Watched the Quigg fight there, they reckoned he was fighting at 10.2st!! Valdez is a goodun.
Some difference in Valdez and Nevins career paths.
Have 4 extra seated tickets for the Joshua fight if anyone wants to buy them.
Face value £70 each
Will more than likely buy the fight. I get the distinct impression that AJ is very wary of Parker.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2018, 07:28:08 PM
Will more than likely buy the fight. I get the distinct impression that AJ is very wary of Parker.
AJ is a different level but he takes all his opponents seriously. Late stoppage win.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2018, 09:21:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2018, 07:28:08 PM
Will more than likely buy the fight. I get the distinct impression that AJ is very wary of Parker.
AJ is a different level but he takes all his opponents seriously. Late stoppage win.
He'll have more bother with Parker than Wilder imo.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2018, 07:28:08 PM
Will more than likely buy the fight. I get the distinct impression that AJ is very wary of Parker.
Parker can box but he takes too many shots and hasn't got the power to hurt AJ enough to put him away. Parker's route to victory is the same as it was against Fury - a decision over the distance - but I find it hard to believe that AJ won't land conclusively over 12 rounds.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 27, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2018, 07:28:08 PM
Will more than likely buy the fight. I get the distinct impression that AJ is very wary of Parker.
Parker can box but he takes too many shots and hasn't got the power to hurt AJ enough to put him away. Parker's route to victory is the same as it was against Fury - a decision over the distance - but I find it hard to believe that AJ won't land conclusively over 12 rounds.
He didn't beat Fury either really though, barely touched him the whole fight. Parker is easy hit as Takam showed, but there will be a lot more power coming from Joshua's punches that Takam's.
Burnett cruising
Might have broken his hand apparently?
Any links would be appreciated
Why did the ref give Povetkin a standing count there and not let Price follow up on him. Is there standing counts in pro boxing?
Brutal knockout.
Absolutely brutal!
How did he get up from that.......
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2018, 09:59:06 PM
Why did the ref give Povetkin a standing count there and not let Price follow up on him. Is there standing counts in pro boxing?
Because he was only held up by the ropes - counts as a knockdown.
Absolutely brutal, savage fight. Price needs to quit before he gets badly hurt. He's the same as Maccarenelli. One shocking KO after the other.
You could hear that balloon Bellew continually roaring over the commentary, halfwit.
Quote from: gallsman on March 31, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 31, 2018, 09:59:06 PM
Why did the ref give Povetkin a standing count there and not let Price follow up on him. Is there standing counts in pro boxing?
Because he was only held up by the ropes - counts as a knockdown.
Absolutely brutal, savage fight. Price needs to quit before he gets badly hurt. He's the same as Maccarenelli. One shocking KO after the other.
Cheers. Just never seen that before! It might be for the best that he didn't stop Povetkin when he rattled him. If he went in against Joshua or Wilder he would be in big trouble.
Any decent streams lads??? My IPTV is cutting out something shocking . . .
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2018, 10:27:58 PM
Any decent streams lads??? My IPTV is cutting out something shocking . . .
@boxingbugga on Twitter has great live feed
Quote from: screenexile on March 31, 2018, 10:27:58 PM
Any decent streams lads??? My IPTV is cutting out something shocking . . .
Not brilliant but best I could find
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1lPJqnRmaPMxb
Gone!
New one:
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNpYnEVnGw
Parker improving as it goes on
Quote from: bennydorano on March 31, 2018, 11:14:35 PM
Parker improving as it goes on
Had a great R6. Pity the gobshite of a ref split them up for no reason whatsoever, when Parker was boxing the head off him.
But AJ still ahead I'd say
The ref has been very frustrating. Parker needs to fight inside and the ref isn't giving him the chance.
Pretty clearcut. Ref a bit annoying alrite but the Sky hyperbolic shite talk can influence a man's thinking
This ref was an absolute joke, stopped Parker doing any work inside.
Poor enough fare. Joshua's jab kept Parker at distance all night and he couldn't get inside it at all. AJ didn't show much but landed enough to win it comfortably. AJ has absolutely zero head movement.
Ref was shocking.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 31, 2018, 11:40:31 PM
This ref was an absolute joke, stopped Parker doing any work inside.
Stopped either of them doing anything inside.
I'd say AJ will be happy to have fought & won a different type of fight & go the distance.
Any sign of Fury fighting someone? His name continually bandied about and he hasn't threw a pro punch in a long time.
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I'd say AJ will be happy to have fought & won a different type of fight & go the distance.
Dunno whether it was the lighter weight or a slower pace but his conditioning looked much better than it has. Didn't gas much.
Canelo v GGG rematch is off. Is Spike really going to get the gig? Sure Eubank Jr bate the head off him. I'd fear for him in against triple G.
Thought for sure it was going to go ahead if not in Nevada I thought somewhere else but I suppose the venue would have been contracted in as well.... looks dead now. Would be doubtful if it happens ever now Golovkin is getting on but there is alot of money to be made so still a good chance.
Spike Sullivan has been goin on about GGG for years I was sure he'd never get the chance as he's a couple of grades below, and somehow here he is..... It'll be back to the beatin a lump of meat days for Golovkin tho.
James Degale scrapped through a fight last night against Caleb Truax, had the decision not gone his way I really think he would have been forced into hanging up the gloves.
Poor performance from the referee.
Led with his head in both the first round and second round, resulting in head butts to Truax. He should have been warned about it. He reaped what he sowed in the third round as Truax, came off the better in another clash of heads and it resulted in a nasty cut to degale's right eye which hampered his vision for the rest of the fight.
Took him a few rounds to come to grips with the cut and despite a point deduction in the latter rounds for use of his shoulder in a clench which seemed dubious enough.
Still awarded a unanimous decision with two Judge score cards having degale ahead by the minimum while another went to the CJ Ross school of judging awarding the fight to degale 117-110.
Groves or Smith would not be too scared about what they would have seen from last nights performance. Degale would need to up it considerably if he is to meet the winner of the World Series of boxing final.
What time is Cummings on? Any links about, ain't got BT
Cummings beat. Seems a nice fella but just isn't top class.
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Cummings beat. Seems a nice fella but just isn't top class.
No urgency at all!! Has potential just not hungry enough
Frampton hardly took McIlroy under his notice!!!
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 21, 2018, 09:43:53 PM
Frampton hardly took McIlroy under his notice!!!
He is sitting beside BBC legend Stephen Watson, poor bastard
Khan must have wanted to watch the Frampton fight.
This fight isn't very good at all.
Daft fight! This guy hasn't thrown a punch!
Steven Watson is a Cnut
It's like a smaller audley harrison :(
Carl needs to just box him now! Stay away from him to win fight!
The other fella has a few big shots in him. It would only be a big shot that would win him it but he has a wee bit of ability in him so needs watched!
Good performance. Some difference in fitness from last fight.
That other fella no mug and seemed like a real good guy too - very sporting.
Decent fight all in all.
Lol @ "dangerous mother fcuker" comment from CF! ;D
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Lol @ "dangerous mother fcuker" comment from CF! ;D
Arch sure ye hear many's a bad word on TV at night these days.
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Lol @ "dangerous mother fcuker" comment from CF! ;D
Aye! The #metoo crowd will be at him now
Frampton full on Windsor Park mode now.
Good win from Frampton boxed clever and seemed to have the plenty in the engine in the later rounds. That shot he took in the 11th would have floored most at that weight. Winker Watson will be camped at Windsor for BBC Newskune between now and then.
It's hard to see where Cummings goes from here. His stock is very low and I doubt whether MTK will be bothered with him only he's Framptons mate. Just doesn't to seem to have 'it'.
Delighted for Tommy Coyle in the Liverpool show. Comes across as a great guy and he did a real job on Dodds.
Feel sorry for Cummings. Has busted his balls but can't see a future for him. Needs to reassess his life I reckon and will have difficult choices to make.
My cousin (Tyrone McCullagh) won earlier on Frampton's card by TKO. That brings him to 10-0.
Potentially getting a shot at a Celtic belt in the summer against Joe Hamm. Watch this space.
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 22, 2018, 12:36:18 AM
Feel sorry for Cummings. Has busted his balls but can't see a future for him. Needs to reassess his life I reckon and will have difficult choices to make.
He most likely busted his balls in camp and busted his balls defending during the fight.
But he certainly didn't busy his balls throwing punches
Who is next for Frampton?
Very good fight.
Unlike Kahn....good lord, surely he must bite the bullet and fight De Gale now for the final pay day.
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Who is next for Frampton?
Very good fight.
Unlike Kahn....good lord, surely he must bite the bullet and fight De Gale now for the final pay day.
Brook*
Yeah that's the one.....quick off the mark :)
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 23, 2018, 11:50:22 AM
Who is next for Frampton?
Very good fight.
Unlike Kahn....good lord, surely he must bite the bullet and fight De Gale now for the final pay day.
Khan mightn't be finished yet. Be interesting to see what he is like in a proper fight.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 23, 2018, 11:50:22 AM
Who is next for Frampton?
Very good fight.
Unlike Kahn....good lord, surely he must bite the bullet and fight De Gale now for the final pay day.
Either Valdez or the winner of Selby v Warrington would seem the most likely at this stage.
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Who is next for Frampton?
Very good fight.
Unlike Kahn....good lord, surely he must bite the bullet and fight De Gale now for the final pay day.
Khan mightn't be finished yet. Be interesting to see what he is like in a proper fight.
He gets knocked down and outclassed in proper fights!
Can understand Khan getting the stick he has dodged those guys for long enough, but the Frampton fight was a joke too.
Khan has fought and beat some excellent fighters but then again has been badly beaten 3 times. Donaire is not as good as he was plus has been better at lower weights. It is nice to see a bit of respect too but a lot of what went on has been cringeworthy.
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Khan has fought and beat some excellent fighters but then again has been badly beaten 3 times. Donaire is not as good as he was plus has been better at lower weights. It is nice to see a bit of respect too but a lot of what went on has been cringeworthy.
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You'd much prefer McGregor's approach?
Carl has never been a trash talker as such and thats his nature.. As for the fight its was a step up from the last fight and while in control for most parts he di take a few punches, Donaire fought better at lower weights, as did Carl, so i dont see your point, yes he's older but not by much.
Needs a good title fight, he seems happy with his training program and the set up so far, hopefully that continues. I was unsure of the partnership at first but things looking good, If Carl wins another title that be some achievement..
Father in Law and my daughter were there and he was telling me they were drinking during the fights at their seats! This has to be a first I'd assume as Ive never seen it done before.. dodgy in the extreme
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Khan has fought and beat some excellent fighters but then again has been badly beaten 3 times. Donaire is not as good as he was plus has been better at lower weights. It is nice to see a bit of respect too but a lot of what went on has been cringeworthy.
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You'd much prefer McGregor's approach?
Carl has never been a trash talker as such and thats his nature.. As for the fight its was a step up from the last fight and while in control for most parts he di take a few punches, Donaire fought better at lower weights, as did Carl, so i dont see your point, yes he's older but not by much.
Needs a good title fight, he seems happy with his training program and the set up so far, hopefully that continues. I was unsure of the partnership at first but things looking good, If Carl wins another title that be some achievement..
Father in Law and my daughter were there and he was telling me they were drinking during the fights at their seats! This has to be a first I'd assume as Ive never seen it done before.. dodgy in the extreme
Who was drinking? The fans?
Nothing new in that at boxing
Frampton and Khan's fights were a load of shite. Fighting complete journey men for a few quid. It's amazing that any of the public gets behind this dung.
Boxers pick their fights. There is about 367 different belts. The whole sport has zero credibility. It's basically WWE without the raza-mataz.
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Khan has fought and beat some excellent fighters but then again has been badly beaten 3 times. Donaire is not as good as he was plus has been better at lower weights. It is nice to see a bit of respect too but a lot of what went on has been cringeworthy.
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You'd much prefer McGregor's approach?
Carl has never been a trash talker as such and thats his nature.. As for the fight its was a step up from the last fight and while in control for most parts he di take a few punches, Donaire fought better at lower weights, as did Carl, so i dont see your point, yes he's older but not by much.
Needs a good title fight, he seems happy with his training program and the set up so far, hopefully that continues. I was unsure of the partnership at first but things looking good, If Carl wins another title that be some achievement..
Father in Law and my daughter were there and he was telling me they were drinking during the fights at their seats! This has to be a first I'd assume as Ive never seen it done before.. dodgy in the extreme
Who was drinking? The fans?
Nothing new in that at boxing
Any of the fights i went to it wasn't allowed. Especially the ones that sky were covering.
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Khan has fought and beat some excellent fighters but then again has been badly beaten 3 times. Donaire is not as good as he was plus has been better at lower weights. It is nice to see a bit of respect too but a lot of what went on has been cringeworthy.
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You'd much prefer McGregor's approach?
Carl has never been a trash talker as such and thats his nature.. As for the fight its was a step up from the last fight and while in control for most parts he di take a few punches, Donaire fought better at lower weights, as did Carl, so i dont see your point, yes he's older but not by much.
Needs a good title fight, he seems happy with his training program and the set up so far, hopefully that continues. I was unsure of the partnership at first but things looking good, If Carl wins another title that be some achievement..
Father in Law and my daughter were there and he was telling me they were drinking during the fights at their seats! This has to be a first I'd assume as Ive never seen it done before.. dodgy in the extreme
Drinking at the seats is new, in fairness there is restrictions around it MR and i think the management thought long and hard about it before it went live. Drinking at the seats was allowed at Carl's last fight as well. You are not allowed to purchase more than 2 pints at a time and they properly enforce this. I ordered at the bar and I had a dribble left in a pint glass while ordering, the girl was only prepared to serve me 1 pint !! I quickly finished the dribble to take my full quota of 2 pints and proceeded happily to my seat !
I know there are dangers associated with it but i'm in favour of it as long as the safeguards are there ... If it wasn't for beer during the Tete fight, I don't know what I would have done lol !!
Carl was looking as sharp as he has been since his first Santa Cruz fight and seems in a good frame of mind. He will need to be at his best for Selby (don't mean to be disrespectful towards Warrington, he's tough and gritty but only one winner between him and Selby) or Valdez should they materialise.
Agree with Square Ball - Very hard to see where Cummings goes from here. He must have been heart broken at that result but put on his support face to be in Carl's corner straight after it. Fair play to Luke Keeler, completely outboxed Cummings.
@Omagh_Gael - Great to see Tyrone winning (being a Derry man he's the only Tyrone I will ever support ;-) ), next fight will be a massive one for him !
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Khan has fought and beat some excellent fighters but then again has been badly beaten 3 times. Donaire is not as good as he was plus has been better at lower weights. It is nice to see a bit of respect too but a lot of what went on has been cringeworthy.
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You'd much prefer McGregor's approach?
Carl has never been a trash talker as such and thats his nature.. As for the fight its was a step up from the last fight and while in control for most parts he di take a few punches, Donaire fought better at lower weights, as did Carl, so i dont see your point, yes he's older but not by much.
Needs a good title fight, he seems happy with his training program and the set up so far, hopefully that continues. I was unsure of the partnership at first but things looking good, If Carl wins another title that be some achievement..
Father in Law and my daughter were there and he was telling me they were drinking during the fights at their seats! This has to be a first I'd assume as Ive never seen it done before.. dodgy in the extreme
I liked the respectful nature at the weigh in and press conferences but it got a bit too much after the fight the other night. Good name on his record but Donaire is on the slide. Frampton looked better than his previous fights and was very sharp. Workrate was good too and he didn't tire (which he seems to do in some fights) which is always my worry with him as his fights are always going to go the distance due to his lack of power. The training in Spain with Moore seems to be paying off.
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@Omagh_Gael - Great to see Tyrone winning (being a Derry man he's the only Tyrone I will ever support ;-) ), next fight will be a massive one for him !
Haha probably the reason he is a decent boxer growing up in Derry with that name!
Just saw the latest WBC report, absolute joke and again shows all that is wrong with boxing. Whyte is the number 1 ranked contender, has been for a while and beating Browne should have further cemented that position. Now though, Breazeale is the first mandatory and Whyte has to fight Ortiz to become the second mandatory. The most corrupt sport about.
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Just saw the latest WBC report, absolute joke and again shows all that is wrong with boxing. Whyte is the number 1 ranked contender, has been for a while and beating Browne should have further cemented that position. Now though, Breazeale is the first mandatory and Whyte has to fight Ortiz to become the second mandatory. The most corrupt sport about.
Joke. Whyte made a song and dance about how the WBC support their fighters and he would now be number 1 contender. Although at the AJ fight he seemed to want the povetkin fight more. Doesnt look like he is gonna get that fight either.
Another win for taylor. She seems unstoppable even after a short period of time in pro.
Just read a bit of a review of Paul Gibson's Biography of Eamon Magee 'The lost soul of Eamon Magee'. Looks like it would be a very interesting and compelling read!
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Just read a bit of a review of Paul Gibson's Biography of Eamon Magee 'The lost soul of Eamon Magee'. Looks like it would be a very interesting and compelling read!
Where did you read it?
S.T Culture section.
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Another win for taylor. She seems unstoppable even after a short period of time in pro.
shes definitely making waves in women's boxing - very sad to see the lack of attention she is getting with the media in Ireland and elsewhere.
nice touch when she gave the belt back in the changing rooms...
Much as I love KT and all of her pioneering work, if we're honest the quality of the product isn't that great and that's what it comes down to. The standard of the boxing is "Okay" in the womens game and ultimately anyone with an informed view will realise that very quickly.
The boxer who eventually brings the female sport to mass popularity will be A) a big puncher who finished people spectacularly, and B) disliked / pantomime villain character. Katie isn't any of those things and will have as good a boxing career as any female can in modern times but it will be relatively low key.
Haye vs Bellew II takes place tonight.
This shouldn't be a big fight but I found the first fight a compelling watch with Haye trying to fight for on effectively one leg after tearing his Achilles in the 6th round until Shane McGuigan (his then coach) threw in the towel during the 11th round.
Was hard not to admire Haye for not quitting but also I have never heard him blame the defeat on the injury once, even though he would have been completely justified to do so. I think he learned from the PR disaster that was "Big toe gate" following his loss to Klitschko.
There's been a cancelled bout after Haye got injured again. It remains to be seen what the inactivity will have done to Haye. Some would say his body is just done and he should have hung up the gloves following the first defeat to bellew.
If he has got himself fit then I think Haye wins this. Haye has said if he doesn't KO bellew that he will retire I think that is just talk and Haye will be happy with the win. His choice of new trainer Ismael Salas (was formerly Jorge Linares trainer) suggests that he is focusing more on movement than trying to have KO power. Also he is expected to come in significantly lighter than their first fight which also says to me he isn't really heart set on a KO. Bearing in mind that Haye was comfortably ahead on the score cards up until the time of injury then I would have to go for a lighter, fitter (presumably, time will tell) Haye winning on points.
Bennydorano - bought that Eamon Magee book, his life has the makings of a good book. I'm terrible for starting books and not finishing them but if I get round to finishing it will bore you with a brief review.
Really hope he knocks Bellew out tonight. I laughed the other day when Bellew was trying to say that Haye was looking an easy fight against him and was basically afraid to fight Wilder. The truth is that Bellew started this whole saga with Haye when he acted the tr**p after the Flores win and Bellew is the one who has basically implied he is afraid to fight some of the other top heavyweights.
Eddie & Co laughing all the way to the bank again.
Haye should just hang them up. Pure useless tonight.
Francie Bellew would have beat him😜
I watched it last night it looked like Haye was drunk!
Alot flabbier looking than he normally is too
Haye has to to retire, that fight confirmed that his body is completely done.
Haye's trainer Salas was due to be in Linares corner against Lomachenko this weekend but his commitment to Haye led to Linares getting a new trainer. Surely Salas is regretting that now.
I see Bellew has called out Andre Ward ..... he's never been short of confidence but surely he is just looking for one last pay day. Ward (in the same way Mayweather would have been when the McGregor fight was arranged) should be relishing the prospect of coming out of retirement for an easy pay day.
Bought the Eamon Magee book, torn now whether to keep it for holidays or get tore into it.
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Bought the Eamon Magee book, torn now whether to keep it for holidays or get tore into it.
Hah, same. Was delivered on Monday and haven't opened the parcel yet, holiday in 2 weeks. Staying strong.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on May 10, 2018, 11:04:29 AM
Haye has to to retire, that fight confirmed that his body is completely done.
Haye's trainer Salas was due to be in Linares corner against Lomachenko this weekend but his commitment to Haye led to Linares getting a new trainer. Surely Salas is regretting that now.
I see Bellew has called out Andre Ward ..... he's never been short of confidence but surely he is just looking for one last pay day. Ward (in the same way Mayweather would have been when the McGregor fight was arranged) should be relishing the prospect of coming out of retirement for an easy pay day.
Strange enuff thing for Bellew to do, he'd likely loose it and there is no money in fighting Ward no one wants to watch him.. which is why he retired
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Haye has to to retire, that fight confirmed that his body is completely done.
Haye's trainer Salas was due to be in Linares corner against Lomachenko this weekend but his commitment to Haye led to Linares getting a new trainer. Surely Salas is regretting that now.
I see Bellew has called out Andre Ward ..... he's never been short of confidence but surely he is just looking for one last pay day. Ward (in the same way Mayweather would have been when the McGregor fight was arranged) should be relishing the prospect of coming out of retirement for an easy pay day.
Strange enuff thing for Bellew to do, he'd likely loose it and there is no money in fighting Ward no one wants to watch him.. which is why he tired
Ward was terrible to watch. Still cant get my head around the Kovalev stoppage
Selby will be doing well to get out of here with a win.
Great fight. Warrington turned it into a war.
Frank Warren doesn't sound keen on Warrington going to Windsor Park. Frampton needs a title on the line for that Windsor fight or it'll be a flop.
Now that is a shock... seems like a split was a farcical decision
Where will Frampton fit into this? or will there be a rematch
Warrington will likely be more marketable than Selby so it actually might get on reasonably quickly
Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Just saw a retweet of mason cartwright's? face after his fight. His lip is like something you would see in a horror movie- horrendous!
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
A bit over the hill is a huge compliment to Donaire
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
Donaire may be the biggest 'name' either has fought but at this weight and this stage of their career Frampton's win over Santa Cruz is easily the most impressive victory either has had.
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
Donaire may be the biggest 'name' either has fought but at this weight and this stage of their career Frampton's win over Santa Cruz is easily the most impressive victory either has had.
So is the summer fight going to be another dud then? Likely to be no World Championship on the line.
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
Donaire may be the biggest 'name' either has fought but at this weight and this stage of their career Frampton's win over Santa Cruz is easily the most impressive victory either has had.
So is the summer fight going to be another dud then? Likely to be no World Championship on the line.
It would need to be a big name, and seeing as these two went toe to toe in their last fight neither Warrington or Selby would be fighting fit enough in 12 weeks, wouldn't be fair on them also... Think Carl was looking a one or 2 round knock out at that fight, it never happened! I'd say Selby would be looking a rematch and that would be big money again for the promoters.
Can't really see anything else, though I'm sure the more knowledgable posters would have other ideas, just at the minute I think he'll struggle
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
Donaire may be the biggest 'name' either has fought but at this weight and this stage of their career Frampton's win over Santa Cruz is easily the most impressive victory either has had.
So is the summer fight going to be another dud then? Likely to be no World Championship on the line.
It would need to be a big name, and seeing as these two went toe to toe in their last fight neither Warrington or Selby would be fighting fit enough in 12 weeks, wouldn't be fair on them also... Think Carl was looking a one or 2 round knock out at that fight, it never happened! I'd say Selby would be looking a rematch and that would be big money again for the promoters.
Can't really see anything else, though I'm sure the more knowledgable posters would have other ideas, just at the minute I think he'll struggle
Scott Quigg rematch? (or is that weight now out of the question for him)
Cant see Valdez coming to Windsor either.
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Warren will want to milk that Leeds crowd a bit longer with a few defences rather than risk a loss v Frampton. Though after watching that Warrington will be a tough nights work. He was very good tonight.
Warrington will take a huge crowd with him to Belfast if the Frampton fight gets made. They are a rowdy bunch too...would be an interesting night at Windsor Park.
Would be a great scrap between them but going on their last two performances and quality of opposition Warrington would beat him
Donaire a bit over the hill but he's, by a considerable distance, the best fighter any of them have ever fought, so not sure "quality of opposition" comes into it.
Donaire may be the biggest 'name' either has fought but at this weight and this stage of their career Frampton's win over Santa Cruz is easily the most impressive victory either has had.
So is the summer fight going to be another dud then? Likely to be no World Championship on the line.
It would need to be a big name, and seeing as these two went toe to toe in their last fight neither Warrington or Selby would be fighting fit enough in 12 weeks, wouldn't be fair on them also... Think Carl was looking a one or 2 round knock out at that fight, it never happened! I'd say Selby would be looking a rematch and that would be big money again for the promoters.
Can't really see anything else, though I'm sure the more knowledgable posters would have other ideas, just at the minute I think he'll struggle
Selby moving up in weight I believe so not chasing a rematch.
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/05/20/news/lee-selby-moving-up-to-super-featherweight-announces-plans-to-become-two-weight-world-champion
Warrington unlikely to take the fight. GRJ fought at the weekend too, thats his annual fight over plus hurt his hand. Santa Cruz fighting soon and Valdez injured. Doesnt leave many big names. The more i think about, with regards not just to GRJ but to some of their other champions, the WBC has turned into a joke organisation.
Trump pardoned Jack Johnson today for violating the Mann Act in 1913 today. Johnson's life and career was a window into how openly racist the west was even in the early 20th century.
RIP Brendan Ingle
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RIP Brendan Ingle
Sad news... legend, has left a massive legacy
RIP
Inoue looks something else. Favourite for the BW tournament?
That sounds pretty crazy what happened in Bray this morning with Katie Taylor's father one of the men shot.
Is this part of the Hutch Kinahan feud??
Looks like it.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-can-train-who-i-want-says-pete-taylor-after-kinahan-boxer-link-revealed-35983399.html
One man confirmed dead now.
fucked up
Sad day for Irish boxing.
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Sad day for Irish boxing.
Taylor himself is one of those shot?
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Sad day for Irish boxing.
Taylor himself is one of those shot?
Apparently so, he is in a serious condition though not life threatening. This is supposed to be sport but it appears as though it is now mixed in with a criminal underworld.
Various stories about drugs going about! Again just stories nothing confirmed
More action outside the ring than inside it so far..
The worst fight I think I've ever seen!
Fury has a long way to go yet!!
The 1st round was an insult to boxing
Ah Jaysus...
Did anyone expect anything other than a farce?!
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Did anyone expect anything other than a farce?!
True but I didn't expect it to be THAT bad!
I like Fury but that was a joke from start to finish. Embarrassing!
I hadn't followed any of the build up to this fight, but in fairness to BT, they said from the very start of the coverage that this was a nonsense of a fight, and it was all about Fury getting a few rounds in.
Im a big fury fan but this was as big a joke as ive seen. Your man was tiny, but it was like he was told to quit at a certain point as he was hardly hurt.
There were better fights and better punches in the crowd.
Anyway, Fury's comeback had to start somewhere. At least it's started. A lot of conditioning work needed.
When I heard Fury's next fight was going to be on the undercard of the Frampton fight last night I thought that didn't bode well for the quality of opponent they were going to get for Frampton. Rightly or wrongly, I felt with Fury being an undercard fighter that suggested Warren was trying to go with a big undercard to deflect away from the headline fight being a bit of a let down.
I'm hearing speculation that Carl's opponent will be Luke Jackson. I had to google him to be honest. What I imagine Warren will tell you is that he is an unbeaten fighter, former Olympian and rated 5 by the WBO. What I will tell you is that he is 33 and ranked 44 in the division by Boxrec. To put that in context Kiko Martinez is ranked 19 in the division.
Hopefully, it is nothing but speculation because if that is the fight that materialises it will surely be a big let down for Frampton and his fans who had been looking forward to this Windsor Park fight for a long time.
If Fury manages to keep her between the ditches, can he trouble Joshua?
In 6 months with proper prep i would see him as a seriously dangerous opponent.
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If Fury manages to keep her between the ditches, can he trouble Joshua?
In 6 months with proper prep i would see him as a seriously dangerous opponent.
The Fury that beat Klitschko would absolutely bamboozle and embarrass Joshua. Whether there's any chance he's still alive is another matter.
Yeah the Frampton Windsor experience will fall pretty flat if he doesnt get the right opponent, regardless of Fury as an undercard, he should have saved Wwindsor for a title fight.. there is no one out there ready for a decent punch up
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Im a big fury fan but this was as big a joke as ive seen. Your man was tiny, but it was like he was told to quit at a certain point as he was hardly hurt.
Looks like he was guaranteed a certain amount of money for lasting 4 rounds so after the 4th he just had enough and withdrew. . . a complete and utter shambles from start to finish!
Maybe it's just me but before the Klitshcko fight my opinion was that Fury was a reasonable heavyweight but nothing spectacular. Awkward and hard to deal with but that's about it. Klitschko from what I saw underestimated Fury and he was able to counter punch his way to victory.
I think because he hasn't fought since then there's some kind of legend following him that he's actually one of the all time greats and would beat anybody around. Even if he hadn't had his 'sabbatical' he would struggle against lads like Joshua/Wilder.
Nothing I have seen since he's come back makes me think he would live with those two even with losing the extra stone or 2!
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Im a big fury fan but this was as big a joke as ive seen. Your man was tiny, but it was like he was told to quit at a certain point as he was hardly hurt.
Looks like he was guaranteed a certain amount of money for lasting 4 rounds so after the 4th he just had enough and withdrew. . . a complete and utter shambles from start to finish!
Maybe it's just me but before the Klitshcko fight my opinion was that Fury was a reasonable heavyweight but nothing spectacular. Awkward and hard to deal with but that's about it. Klitschko from what I saw underestimated Fury and he was able to counter punch his way to victory.
I think because he hasn't fought since then there's some kind of legend following him that he's actually one of the all time greats and would beat anybody around. Even if he hadn't had his 'sabbatical' he would struggle against lads like Joshua/Wilder.
Nothing I have seen since he's come back makes me think he would live with those two even with losing the extra stone or 2!
You're being daft if you think a properly focused and fit Fury wouldn't make mince-meat of Wilder. The American is barely a boxer imho.
For the sake of heavyweight boxing I hope he gets back to that point before Joshua lamps Wilder himself and Fury is the only remaining top heavyweight. Then we'd have a very interesting fight.
Is the English pro boxing game as tied into gangland criminality as the Irish professional scene
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Im a big fury fan but this was as big a joke as ive seen. Your man was tiny, but it was like he was told to quit at a certain point as he was hardly hurt.
Looks like he was guaranteed a certain amount of money for lasting 4 rounds so after the 4th he just had enough and withdrew. . . a complete and utter shambles from start to finish!
Maybe it's just me but before the Klitshcko fight my opinion was that Fury was a reasonable heavyweight but nothing spectacular. Awkward and hard to deal with but that's about it. Klitschko from what I saw underestimated Fury and he was able to counter punch his way to victory.
I think because he hasn't fought since then there's some kind of legend following him that he's actually one of the all time greats and would beat anybody around. Even if he hadn't had his 'sabbatical' he would struggle against lads like Joshua/Wilder.
Nothing I have seen since he's come back makes me think he would live with those two even with losing the extra stone or 2!
You're being daft if you think a properly focused and fit Fury wouldn't make mince-meat of Wilder. The American is barely a boxer imho.
For the sake of heavyweight boxing I hope he gets back to that point before Joshua lamps Wilder himself and Fury is the only remaining top heavyweight. Then we'd have a very interesting fight.
Just wondering is their any topic old syphilis is not an expert on.
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Im a big fury fan but this was as big a joke as ive seen. Your man was tiny, but it was like he was told to quit at a certain point as he was hardly hurt.
Looks like he was guaranteed a certain amount of money for lasting 4 rounds so after the 4th he just had enough and withdrew. . . a complete and utter shambles from start to finish!
Maybe it's just me but before the Klitshcko fight my opinion was that Fury was a reasonable heavyweight but nothing spectacular. Awkward and hard to deal with but that's about it. Klitschko from what I saw underestimated Fury and he was able to counter punch his way to victory.
I think because he hasn't fought since then there's some kind of legend following him that he's actually one of the all time greats and would beat anybody around. Even if he hadn't had his 'sabbatical' he would struggle against lads like Joshua/Wilder.
Nothing I have seen since he's come back makes me think he would live with those two even with losing the extra stone or 2!
You're being daft if you think a properly focused and fit Fury wouldn't make mince-meat of Wilder. The American is barely a boxer imho.
For the sake of heavyweight boxing I hope he gets back to that point before Joshua lamps Wilder himself and Fury is the only remaining top heavyweight. Then we'd have a very interesting fight.
Just wondering is their any topic old syphilis is not an expert on.
I've been posting on this thread of years, but well done for just noticing despite your obvious obsession.
Fury has always had the skills plus the size to be the best. Klitschko simply had a huge physical advantage over most of his opponents and I always believed that when that was took away he would probably be beat; Fury was the man who fitted the bill. Fury is a better boxer than Joshua or Wilder but they are better athletes with more power. The fight at the weekend was never going to show us anything as the Albanian was just in there to survive and get paid. Fury should be able to get in better shape and fight someone better next time out. The like of David Price has been mentioned which would tell us more, with him probably taking on Bellew at the end of the year.
Terence Crawford won at the weekend too to pick up another belt in another division, the man is brilliant and hopefully a super-fight can be made between him and ESJ if he wins at the weekend.
Sickened to see the IBF strip GGG too, they seem to be quick to take a belt from some fighters yet not as quick to take it from others.
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Yeah the Frampton Windsor experience will fall pretty flat if he doesnt get the right opponent, regardless of Fury as an undercard, he should have saved Wwindsor for a title fight.. there is no one out there ready for a decent punch up
Press conference on Wednesday to confirm but many in boxing media circles are saying the deal is done & dusted.
Conscious it's a difficult one. You've a limited time window to lock down dates for any stadium fight, generally during football off-season and at a time when it will not be "completely baltic" as one from Belfast would describe it. Once you've looked down the date, then try ensure that you've got a good opponent lined up. The anticipated plan was that Selby would coast his recent fight and was willing to travel to Windsor for the title fight. Warrington came along and threw a spanner in the works. Then you have the next big name, Oscar Valdez, that supposedly would have been willing to travel (according to Michael Conlan) breaking his jaw in a fight against Scott Quigg. From that point of view, Frampton, or maybe more Frank Warren has been unlucky. At Frampton's stage of his career he can't really afford to wait until a decent opponent comes available to have his next stadium fight.
Gallsman - I know you will disagree with me on this and there are many out there that already have ... I'm convinced that the Klitschko that Fury beat was injured, there was most likely that element of complacency going into the fight as well. I've watched the fight back and there are so many occasions when Klitschko is motioning to throw a meaningful punch, only to retreat at the last second. The only sense that I can make of it was that he was injured. Why would he not claim injury in the aftermath of the fight ? My only thinking on it is that Klitschko gave David Haye a bit of abuse (and rightly so) in relation to big-toe gate effectively saying that he shouldn't have tried to blame injury for his defeat and that made his defeat the more embarrassing, that if Klitschko was injured against Fury, he'd sooner suck it up and say nothing than come out with the injury excuse. Only my opinion but the Klitschko that fought Joshua, would have beat Fury on that night in Dusseldorf.
Screenexile - Agree completely it was like Seferi was guaranteed a purse for fighting with a bonus to last four rounds. His next bonus was probably to last the distance and he probably thought to himself "i've no chance of seeing the final bell, might as well go now".
Seferi is a million miles away from the level of Dillian Whyte, Joe Parker never mind the likes of Wilder and Joshua. Fury (don't get me wrong, delighted to see him back, he's a colourful character) has a long way to go before he can share the ring with any of the aforementioned names. Huge respect for the journey Fury's undergone to date to be able to step back in the ring. Not only physically with all the weight loss but clearly mentally he wasn't in a good place and I have to admit that I thought he would never fight again especially with the UKAD disciplinary proceedings seeming to be a big obstacle preventing his return to the ring. Whoever negotiated with UKAD for his ban to be backdated which made his return to the ring possible played a blinder. Like ncrico says David Price wouldn't be a bad option at all for a next stepping stone fight.
Trying to explain away Fury beating Klitch so cleanly as the Ukrainian being injured is a serious attempt to diminish what Fury did. It's like creating alternative facts just because you don't like the story that the actual events tell.
It was the size of Fury and his ability to use that size that completely destroyed Klitchko's one dimensional, defensively paranoid slap-fighting style that was entirely predicated on him being the bigger man with the reach advantage. I'm still amazed he got away with pawing smaller fighters for so long. Very poor refereeing on that point. Once he lost those advantages and someone could pick him off from range his wobbly defense was highlighted as it was many times earlier in his career.
People tend to gloss over the inescapable fact that most of the fighters he beat on his run were junk by the standards of any other era of heavyweight boxing. He was built up as a great champion when in reality he was just someone who came along at a great time for his set of talents to be utilised.
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Im a big fury fan but this was as big a joke as ive seen. Your man was tiny, but it was like he was told to quit at a certain point as he was hardly hurt.
Looks like he was guaranteed a certain amount of money for lasting 4 rounds so after the 4th he just had enough and withdrew. . . a complete and utter shambles from start to finish!
Maybe it's just me but before the Klitshcko fight my opinion was that Fury was a reasonable heavyweight but nothing spectacular. Awkward and hard to deal with but that's about it. Klitschko from what I saw underestimated Fury and he was able to counter punch his way to victory.
I think because he hasn't fought since then there's some kind of legend following him that he's actually one of the all time greats and would beat anybody around. Even if he hadn't had his 'sabbatical' he would struggle against lads like Joshua/Wilder.
Nothing I have seen since he's come back makes me think he would live with those two even with losing the extra stone or 2!
You're being daft if you think a properly focused and fit Fury wouldn't make mince-meat of Wilder. The American is barely a boxer imho.
For the sake of heavyweight boxing I hope he gets back to that point before Joshua lamps Wilder himself and Fury is the only remaining top heavyweight. Then we'd have a very interesting fight.
Just wondering is their any topic old syphilis is not an expert on.
I've been posting on this thread of years, but well done for just noticing despite your obvious obsession.
Sure you could say that about any thread.
Fury is a funny one given his homophobic, sexist, anti-Semitic, religious (and anything I've missed out on) views and his drugs ban he's very popular.. I quite like him myself for some strange reason. But I don't think there are many true boxing fans that think he's some kind of a legend it's more an indictment of the state of Heavyweight boxing that's we're hoping he can bring a bit of life back to it..
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Fury is a funny one given his homophobic, sexist, anti-Semitic, religious (and anything I've missed out on) views and his drugs ban he's very popular.. I quite like him myself for some strange reason. But I don't think there are many true boxing fans that think he's some kind of a legend it's more an indictment of the state of Heavyweight boxing that's we're hoping he can bring a bit of life back to it..
He's a total bellend but Joshua has said some quietly regressive shît himself but he has a better PR team managing him. Regardless if you want to see two top heavyweights fight they are the only two in exsistence right now.
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Trying to explain away Fury beating Klitch so cleanly as the Ukrainian being injured is a serious attempt to diminish what Fury did. It's like creating alternative facts just because you don't like the story that the actual events tell.
It was the size of Fury and his ability to use that size that completely destroyed Klitchko's one dimensional, defensively paranoid slap-fighting style that was entirely predicated on him being the bigger man with the reach advantage. I'm still amazed he got away with pawing smaller fighters for so long. Very poor refereeing on that point. Once he lost those advantages and someone could pick him off from range his wobbly defense was highlighted as it was many times earlier in his career.
People tend to gloss over the inescapable fact that most of the fighters he beat on his run were junk by the standards of any other era of heavyweight boxing. He was built up as a great champion when in reality he was just someone who came along at a great time for his set of talents to be utilised.
Chief, do me a favour and don't talk about alternative facts and inventing stories. I've read some of your contributions on the Paddy Jackson thread.
Wilder is barely a boxer ? Very good !
No one would dispute that Klitschko's reign came at a time when the heavyweight division was barren, at the end of the day he can only beat what's put in front of him, his performance against Joshua (when he was well past his prime) is more reflective of his ability than when i felt he was (rightly or wrongly) injured against Fury. I noticed you neglected to mention that.
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Trying to explain away Fury beating Klitch so cleanly as the Ukrainian being injured is a serious attempt to diminish what Fury did. It's like creating alternative facts just because you don't like the story that the actual events tell.
It was the size of Fury and his ability to use that size that completely destroyed Klitchko's one dimensional, defensively paranoid slap-fighting style that was entirely predicated on him being the bigger man with the reach advantage. I'm still amazed he got away with pawing smaller fighters for so long. Very poor refereeing on that point. Once he lost those advantages and someone could pick him off from range his wobbly defense was highlighted as it was many times earlier in his career.
People tend to gloss over the inescapable fact that most of the fighters he beat on his run were junk by the standards of any other era of heavyweight boxing. He was built up as a great champion when in reality he was just someone who came along at a great time for his set of talents to be utilised.
Chief, do me a favour and don't talk about alternative facts and inventing stories. I've read some of your contributions on the Paddy Jackson thread.
Wilder is barely a boxer ? Very good !
No one would dispute that Klitschko's reign came at a time when the heavyweight division was barren, at the end of the day he can only beat what's put in front of him, his performance against Joshua (when he was well past his prime) is more reflective of his ability than when i felt he was (rightly or wrongly) injured against Fury. I noticed you neglected to mention that.
We're done here. I see the place you're coming from clear enough now.
Why do we need a discussion forum when syf knows everything better than everyone else?
Fury has plently of skills and movement for a big man but not knock out power a man of his size should have! His attitude to the sports baffles me! Wouldnt put in the hard yards and diet to get to the level required at this level! He reminds me if Riddick Bowe eating exploits and problems with his waist line minus the knock out power of course! Fury beat very few boxers in his current condition
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Trying to explain away Fury beating Klitch so cleanly as the Ukrainian being injured is a serious attempt to diminish what Fury did. It's like creating alternative facts just because you don't like the story that the actual events tell.
It was the size of Fury and his ability to use that size that completely destroyed Klitchko's one dimensional, defensively paranoid slap-fighting style that was entirely predicated on him being the bigger man with the reach advantage. I'm still amazed he got away with pawing smaller fighters for so long. Very poor refereeing on that point. Once he lost those advantages and someone could pick him off from range his wobbly defense was highlighted as it was many times earlier in his career.
People tend to gloss over the inescapable fact that most of the fighters he beat on his run were junk by the standards of any other era of heavyweight boxing. He was built up as a great champion when in reality he was just someone who came along at a great time for his set of talents to be utilised.
Chief, do me a favour and don't talk about alternative facts and inventing stories. I've read some of your contributions on the Paddy Jackson thread.
Wilder is barely a boxer ? Very good !
No one would dispute that Klitschko's reign came at a time when the heavyweight division was barren, at the end of the day he can only beat what's put in front of him, his performance against Joshua (when he was well past his prime) is more reflective of his ability than when i felt he was (rightly or wrongly) injured against Fury. I noticed you neglected to mention that.
We're done here. I see the place you're coming from clear enough now.
You're a rape apologists Atticus... anyone who dared say anything different to doofus is a fool!
David Haye retired.
Canelo v GGG confirmed 15 Sep
When would tickets go on sale for Windsor on 18th August ?
He was never going to get the fight anyway, everyone and their dog knew it would be GGG v Alvarez in September, sure the flipping suspension was even tailored to allow it to happen in line with the Mexican Independence Day celebrations.
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He was never going to get the fight anyway, everyone and their dog knew it would be GGG v Alvarez in September, sure the flipping suspension was even tailored to allow it to happen in line with the Mexican Independence Day celebrations.
Saunders should have taken any offer he got in the past year... cos with GGG stripped of the IBF, unification is no longer GGG's top priority and that means Saunder's stock just dropped.
Couldn't happen to a nicer fella
Frampton's opponent for the Windsor Park fight is due to be unveiled on Monday.
The press conference was due to be last Wednesday, Warren didn't give a reason why that didn't take place but it seems that there was a good chance it was caused after the social media backlash suggested unveiling Luke Jackson as Frampton's Windsor opponent wasn't going to go down well. Not sure if the extra few days will make any difference to getting a better opponent but in an ideal world Warren has gone back to Warrington and chucked some more money at him as well as a guaranteed rematch at Elland road if he agrees to the Windsor fight. Not looking likely though.
Some boxing on sky sports tonight which could prove to be interesting.
Belfast's Paul Hyland jr fights Lewis Ritson in the chief support fight to Josh Kelly vs Kris George. Ritson has earned a bit of a reputation as a KO machine after his last number of fights in impressive fashion by early KO. As a result he's been installed as the big favourite. The bookies have Hyland jr at odds of 7 and 8/1 in places. I think that's value, I've watched Hyland jr a number of times in Belfast and have always been impressed by his movement. There's no doubt he would have to be at the top of his game to beat Ritson but I don't see this as the easy KO for Ritson as many envisage. Hyland can take a punch, he sustained a broken jaw in the 8th round against Stephen Ormond and and saw out the fight to the final bell to claim a disputed decision. I like the look of the fight to go the distance (priced at 3/1 generally) expecting Hyland to box and move and be wary of Ritson's power. Ritson only made weight at the second time of asking. I could be wrong , wouldn't be the first or last time ;-) but I just get the sense that Ritson is coming into this fight very complacent and is not giving Hyland the respect he deserves. Another example of this is he is already talking about having his next fight at St James Park (he's a Geordie) and selling it out. Ring walk is expectedly to be on roughly about 9pm on Sky Sports Action.
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When would tickets go on sale for Windsor on 18th August ?
This Friday.
Hyland gets stopped in the first round ! Feel like deleting that earlier post lol. As soon as Ritson landed the first jab, Hyland was rocked. Ritson's power just looked level above. He might be something special.
Rocky two! Brilliant! Ya got the heart but you ain't got the tools no more!
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Rocky two! Brilliant! Ya got the heart but you ain't got the tools no more!
It would take you to bring up Rocky with the week ol' sly Sly has had..
Jeezzeeeee you are a p***k
Glad to see Hyland beat after he got that scandalous decision against Ormond.
Luke Jackson confirmed for Frampton Windsor Park date. I'd say when he signed with Warren that wasn't exactly the fight he would dream of for his stadium fight. To call it a letdown would be understatement of the century stuff.
In terms of a headline fight it is a letdown, no two ways about it.
In fairness you could say Warren was a bit unlucky to be in this opponent quagmire. Plan A was Selby coasted a relatively easy decision against Warrington, Warrington threw a spanner in the works there (fair play to him). Plan B was also scuppered when Valdez sustained a broken jaw against Quigg. From what I understand Warrington has been confirmed as Frampton's next opponent. A lot of effort went into securing Windsor Park for August 18th so it was a case of the show must go on.
Paddy Barnes getting a genuine world title shot (as opposed to an alphabet soup belt) on the same bill wasn't something i saw coming. Warren deserves credit for that.
As for Fury's involvement, assuming he will not be fighting a big name, then I'm not sure it overly adds to the bill or attracts fans. I will probably get grief for what I am about to say on the basis of stereotyping ... Tyson Fury's involvement in a fight on occasions sees fights in the crowd, perhaps you could say that is a coincidence and nothing to do with his average fan .... anyone that i'm talking to about the bill casts their minds back to Fury vs Rogan when there was quite a bit of trouble in the crowd and his involvement in the Windsor bill (once again assuming he is fighting not a big name) doesn't attract them to going. Those boxing crowd fights are entertaining to watch on twitter etc but would you really want one kicking off right beside you ?
Nrico - A tad harsh on Hyland there, agree there was one judgement on that Hyland vs Ormond fight was CJ Ross material but Hyland wasn't on the judging panel for his own fight in fairness so don't know why you would hold that against him. No doubt he was dying to see the final bell but had done well earlier on. As far as I know the only reason Ormond didn't get a rematch at the time was because Hearn had promised Hyland a shot at Ritson if he won the fight. Understand Ormond won at the weekend so hopefully they both can go at it again, maybe even on the undercard of Frampton vs Jackson.
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Luke Jackson confirmed for Frampton Windsor Park date. I'd say when he signed with Warren that wasn't exactly the fight he would dream of for his stadium fight. To call it a letdown would be understatement of the century stuff.
It is a money making racket lads that's all that boxing is, next to horse racing in the crooked stakes.
Bring it to Windsor put the hard sell on it and wheel out a non event as the headline. Fury on the bill too with what is likely to be another joke opponent.
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Luke Jackson confirmed for Frampton Windsor Park date. I'd say when he signed with Warren that wasn't exactly the fight he would dream of for his stadium fight. To call it a letdown would be understatement of the century stuff.
It is a money making racket lads that's all that boxing is, next to horse racing in the crooked stakes.
Bring it to Windsor put the hard sell on it and wheel out a non event as the headline. Fury on the bill too with what is likely to be another joke opponent.
Aye heard the three or them interviewed at Windsor the other day, it was all a bit desperate. Frampton reckons Windsor has the best atmosphere in the world, I know he is trying to sell it but come on
Eddie Hearn v Deontay Wilder on Twitter has been good entertainment.
Epic fight in the small hours Saturday night / Sunday morning.
Saucido is an animal
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/23974669/from-all-boxing-fans-thank-alex-saucedo-lenny-zappavigna
Usyk is something special. Can definitely cause problems for the top heavyweights. Hope he annihilates Belles. if
George Groves v Callum Smith, the WBSS Super Middle weight final, one of the most eagerly awaited fights in Britain and would sell out most arenas has been set for Friday 28th September in.........Saudi Arabia!! :o
Body snatcher whyte? Or Parker?
Whyte...
Whyte and both boxers to be knocked down @ 33/1 worth a cheeky score note.
Backed White to win by stoppage at 5/1 (skyboost from 3/1)
Any links??
Whyte on points
Serious scrap that, hope main event as good
That was fantastic, how did Del win that? Such a slugger. The main event can never live up to that I think.
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That was fantastic, how did Del win that? Such a slugger. The main event can never live up to that I think.
Pretty close! That was a class last round as good as I've seen.
Looks like Whyte has it though.
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Whyte and both boxers to be knocked down @ 33/1 worth a cheeky score note.
nice
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Whyte and both boxers to be knocked down @ 33/1 worth a cheeky score note.
Well played sir.
Wilder Fury nearly done apparently.
And with virtually no fanfare Portlaoise's TJ Doheny wins the IBF super-bantamweight world title after beating Ryosuke Iwasa in Tokyo earlier today
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Didn't realise that about Doheny at all, first i heard of it was when Frampton gave him a shout out on his great achievement at the press conference.
Fair play to him, he was at one stage being talked about as a possible opponent for Frampton (would need to step up in weight to do so) but then the world title shot must have materialised.
I see BoxRec has him listed as Australian and not Irish !
Anyone making the trip to Windsor this weekend ?
I know board member Don Johnson was until he had the permission slip revoked after a spot of misbehavior !
Apparently it is going to be a sell out.
Paddy Barnes won't have many better opportunities to win a world title, hopefully he can edge a decision. Frampton's victory should be pretty routine.
Wilder and Fury will most likely steal the show and get up to some WWF style antics in the ring after Fury's fight.
Complete madness in town tonight with the boxers!
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Complete madness in town tonight with the boxers!
Give us the lowdown like. What's happening?
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Complete madness in town tonight with the boxers!
Give us the lowdown like. What's happening?
Some video running around with Wilders people chasing Billy jo Saunders after a fight in Nando's!
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Complete madness in town tonight with the boxers!
Give us the lowdown like. What's happening?
I heard Billy Joe Saunders threw half a chicken at Deontay Wilder in Nando's. 😂
I am not sure barnes is going to last the distance here.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 18, 2018, 08:10:43 PM
I am not sure barnes is going to last the distance here.
You called that well
I've neber seen a boxer in so much distress from a bodyshot. It was some bodyshot.
Boxers usually take them better than that.
Tyson Fury fight is farcical...Looks like the biggest set-up ever...OMG
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I've neber seen a boxer in so much distress from a bodyshot. It was some bodyshot.
He probably saved himself some punishment too, opponent looked too strong for him. Big puncher for 8 stone
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 18, 2018, 08:56:59 PM
Boxers usually take them better than that.
broken rib(s) ?
Quote from: illdecide on August 18, 2018, 09:28:00 PM
Tyson Fury fight is farcical...Looks like the biggest set-up ever...OMG
Hopefully this Wilder fight is announced and we can see what he's really like. For my money he got lucky against Klitschko the Wilder fight will tell a tale!
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 18, 2018, 08:56:59 PM
Boxers usually take them better than that.
Depends on where it lands and how good a punch it is. Looked like it was right on the liver.
Barnes was out of his depth tonight (and is at the top level in the professional game anyway) but you can't criticise him for not being able to take a shot like that.
Some nonsense this with fury
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Tyson Fury fight is farcical...Looks like the biggest set-up ever...OMG
Hopefully this Wilder fight is announced and we can see what he's really like. For my money he got lucky against Klitschko the Wilder fight will tell a tale!
Jaysus this gets more like WWE every minute ::) ::)
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Tyson Fury fight is farcical...Looks like the biggest set-up ever...OMG
Hopefully this Wilder fight is announced and we can see what he's really like. For my money he got lucky against Klitschko the Wilder fight will tell a tale!
Fury looked good tonight. He schooled Klitschko
Any big money on 4th round knock out tonight??
That was much more impressive than what Fury served up!!
The towel went in quick
Saw a boy on twitter say his team had agreed at start of round that they would call it quits if he was getting battered.
Two much more dignified boys now than those two heavyweight pricks.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 18, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
The towel went in quick
How? He was being outclassed the entire fight (as was expected) and had been badly hurt and down the previous round. He was looking to the referee for protection for no reason whatsoever when taking big shots. Corner got it absolutely bang on.
I thought Fury looked ok last night. The guys been out for nearly 3 years and ballooned to 27 stone, what he needed more than anything was rounds and he got that. Some of his combinations looked fairly slick to me and his movement off the ropes at times looked very good. Fury always looks a bit awkward and will never have the aesthetic appeal of the likes of others but ffs have a look at Wilder's style. The awkwardness of Fury, his switching to southpaw, his ability to judge distance and avoid being hit, combined with quick hands makes him a very tough opponent. Unless Wilder catches him with one of his windmills if Fury loses concentration, then I expect the fight to be similar to last night and the Wlad fight where Fury jabs all night and rarely gets hit. Unless of course Fury loses the plot before then.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 18, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
The towel went in quick
How? He was being outclassed the entire fight (as was expected) and had been badly hurt and down the previous round. He was looking to the referee for protection for no reason whatsoever when taking big shots. Corner got it absolutely bang on.
Had it on the radio last night in work and they listened in to Jackson's corner at the start of the round, Jackson didn't want to go back out but the corner told him to go out on his shield and give them 30seconds.
Commentators couldn't believe it saying it was a disgrace sending their man back out, it's their duty to protect him
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 18, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
The towel went in quick
How? He was being outclassed the entire fight (as was expected) and had been badly hurt and down the previous round. He was looking to the referee for protection for no reason whatsoever when taking big shots. Corner got it absolutely bang on.
That's interesting. You got absolutely none of that detail on the tv! Commentary ridiculously one sided so they didn't say much about jackson.
Had it on the radio last night in work and they listened in to Jackson's corner at the start of the round, Jackson didn't want to go back out but the corner told him to go out on his shield and give them 30seconds.
Commentators couldn't believe it saying it was a disgrace sending their man back out, it's their duty to protect him
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
I'd family at the fight. no one mentioned it, lads from the club at it also, nowt said..
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 21, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2018, 10:29:01 AM
I thought Fury looked ok last night. The guys been out for nearly 3 years and ballooned to 27 stone, what he needed more than anything was rounds and he got that. Some of his combinations looked fairly slick to me and his movement off the ropes at times looked very good. Fury always looks a bit awkward and will never have the aesthetic appeal of the likes of others but ffs have a look at Wilder's style. The awkwardness of Fury, his switching to southpaw, his ability to judge distance and avoid being hit, combined with quick hands makes him a very tough opponent. Unless Wilder catches him with one of his windmills if Fury loses concentration, then I expect the fight to be similar to last night and the Wlad fight where Fury jabs all night and rarely gets hit. Unless of course Fury loses the plot before then.
Not much of a power puncher tho, he could paw and slap all night but Wilder, AJ, Whyte, Chisora, Povetkin could spark Any other heavyweight out with one punch.
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Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Does it really matter if he wins or loses the next fight? People coming out to support him arent what you would term boxing fans, strikes me a bit like the crowds going to Ulster Rugby. They go for the entertainment and a night out on the beer. The sport is secondary.
He could lose the next fight and still come back to Belfast and sell out the Odyssey. Think it was clearly shown last week that this is more about making money than it is anything to do with sport.
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Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Does it really matter if he wins or loses the next fight? People coming out to support him arent what you would term boxing fans, strikes me a bit like the crowds going to Ulster Rugby. They go for the entertainment and a night out on the beer. The sport is secondary.
He could lose the next fight and still come back to Belfast and sell out the Odyssey. Think it was clearly shown last week that this is more about making money than it is anything to do with sport.
I thought it was all to fulfil Framptons "dream" of fighting in Windsor ;)
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Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Does it really matter if he wins or loses the next fight? People coming out to support him arent what you would term boxing fans, strikes me a bit like the crowds going to Ulster Rugby. They go for the entertainment and a night out on the beer. The sport is secondary.
He could lose the next fight and still come back to Belfast and sell out the Odyssey. Think it was clearly shown last week that this is more about making money than it is anything to do with sport.
I thought it was all to fulfil Framptons "dream" of fighting in Windsor ;)
If you go to Windsor Park for any kind of sporting event you'd need to take a good long look at yourself.
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Quote from: NAG1 on August 21, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Does it really matter if he wins or loses the next fight? People coming out to support him arent what you would term boxing fans, strikes me a bit like the crowds going to Ulster Rugby. They go for the entertainment and a night out on the beer. The sport is secondary.
He could lose the next fight and still come back to Belfast and sell out the Odyssey. Think it was clearly shown last week that this is more about making money than it is anything to do with sport.
I thought it was all to fulfil Framptons "dream" of fighting in Windsor ;)
If you go to Windsor Park for any kind of sporting event you'd need to take a good long look at yourself.
Emmmm, what about the time David Jeffrey let the camogie players use it?
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Quote from: NAG1 on August 21, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Does it really matter if he wins or loses the next fight? People coming out to support him arent what you would term boxing fans, strikes me a bit like the crowds going to Ulster Rugby. They go for the entertainment and a night out on the beer. The sport is secondary.
He could lose the next fight and still come back to Belfast and sell out the Odyssey. Think it was clearly shown last week that this is more about making money than it is anything to do with sport.
I thought it was all to fulfil Framptons "dream" of fighting in Windsor ;)
If you go to Windsor Park for any kind of sporting event you'd need to take a good long look at yourself.
Emmmm, what about the time David Jeffrey let the camogie players use it?
One swallow never made a summer. Not sure where you're from Orior, but coming from the North I would never step foot in Windsor Park. Be as welcoming of a feeling as the 12th parade in Moygashel.
'RA songs at a Wolfe Tones concert, Limerick hurlers singing "Sean South", sectarian chanting at Windsor Park...who'd have thunk it??
Quote from: AQMP on August 21, 2018, 04:40:27 PM
'RA songs at a Wolfe Tones concert, Limerick hurlers singing "Sean South", sectarian chanting at Windsor Park...who'd have thunk it??
Funny thing is that its ok for Sean South to be sung, but dare we sing the Celtic Symphony. ::)
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Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Unbelievable Jeff. In similar news, I was mortally offended by the repeated Ole, Ole, Ole chants.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 21, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 19, 2018, 10:29:01 AM
I thought Fury looked ok last night. The guys been out for nearly 3 years and ballooned to 27 stone, what he needed more than anything was rounds and he got that. Some of his combinations looked fairly slick to me and his movement off the ropes at times looked very good. Fury always looks a bit awkward and will never have the aesthetic appeal of the likes of others but ffs have a look at Wilder's style. The awkwardness of Fury, his switching to southpaw, his ability to judge distance and avoid being hit, combined with quick hands makes him a very tough opponent. Unless Wilder catches him with one of his windmills if Fury loses concentration, then I expect the fight to be similar to last night and the Wlad fight where Fury jabs all night and rarely gets hit. Unless of course Fury loses the plot before then.
Not much of a power puncher tho, he could paw and slap all night but Wilder, AJ, Whyte, Chisora, Povetkin could spark Any other heavyweight out with one punch.
So? Power punching has never been Fury's game. Didn't stop becoming world champion in Klitschko's backyard.
If Fury gets himself in proper shape he can humiliate Wilder. But taking this fight so soon is a big risk.
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Quote from: NAG1 on August 21, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Unbelievable Jeff. In similar news, I was mortally offended by the repeated Ole, Ole, Ole chants.
Indeed!! What exactly is offensive about Stand up for the Ulstermen?
Anybody who thinks the towel was thrown in too early should take a look at Jackson's twitter feed today!!
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I thought Fury looked ok last night. The guys been out for nearly 3 years and ballooned to 27 stone, what he needed more than anything was rounds and he got that. Some of his combinations looked fairly slick to me and his movement off the ropes at times looked very good. Fury always looks a bit awkward and will never have the aesthetic appeal of the likes of others but ffs have a look at Wilder's style. The awkwardness of Fury, his switching to southpaw, his ability to judge distance and avoid being hit, combined with quick hands makes him a very tough opponent. Unless Wilder catches him with one of his windmills if Fury loses concentration, then I expect the fight to be similar to last night and the Wlad fight where Fury jabs all night and rarely gets hit. Unless of course Fury loses the plot before then.
Not much of a power puncher tho, he could paw and slap all night but Wilder, AJ, Whyte, Chisora, Povetkin could spark Any other heavyweight out with one punch.
So? Power punching has never been Fury's game. Didn't stop becoming world champion in Klitschko's backyard.
And then proceeding to bum and blow about it in just about every interview he has done since
Fury isn't a bug one punch knock out artist but he still stops a lot of fighters. Chisora is a tough man but look at the hiding Fury gave him in their second fight. Before the weekend I thought it would be too early for Fury and it would be better if he had another 2 fights, but as has been well documented it will likely be the guts of 18/24 months before he gets another shot at Wilder so he has to take it now. He will beat Wilder too.
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Quote from: Orior on August 21, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Can anyone confirm or deny that there was "F*#% the pope" songs at Windsor Park on Saturday night?
To be fair anyone going to Windsor Park and getting offended by that type of chanting would need to take a look at themselves.
Spoke to numerous people who attended and heard the chanting inside but more so outside the ground.
Was to be expected. Along with the usual stand up for the ulster men chant that fairly splits the audience.
Thought Frampton looked sharp tbh, even taking into consideration his opponent. I'd expect him to have too much for Warrington.
Unbelievable Jeff. In similar news, I was mortally offended by the repeated Ole, Ole, Ole chants.
Indeed!! What exactly is offensive about Stand up for the Ulstermen?
Where did i say i was offended? I'm not. I (along with many of the spectators) just dont stand up and join in. hence it seems to split the audience.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2018, 08:06:41 AM
Fury isn't a bug one punch knock out artist but he still stops a lot of fighters. Chisora is a tough man but look at the hiding Fury gave him in their second fight. Before the weekend I thought it would be too early for Fury and it would be better if he had another 2 fights, but as has been well documented it will likely be the guts of 18/24 months before he gets another shot at Wilder so he has to take it now. He will beat Wilder too.
Wilder is definitely vulnerable, Ortiz had Wilder in bother shortly before he got stopped but he could punch, Fury's lack of relative power will be exposed here I think, he can paw and slap all he wants but Wilder will walk through those shots and ultimately chin him.
Has anyone seen Nathan Cleverly's twitter feed lately? Something not right with him.
https://twitter.com/NathanClev
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2018, 08:06:41 AM
Fury isn't a bug one punch knock out artist but he still stops a lot of fighters. Chisora is a tough man but look at the hiding Fury gave him in their second fight. Before the weekend I thought it would be too early for Fury and it would be better if he had another 2 fights, but as has been well documented it will likely be the guts of 18/24 months before he gets another shot at Wilder so he has to take it now. He will beat Wilder too.
Wilder is definitely vulnerable, Ortiz had Wilder in bother shortly before he got stopped but he could punch, Fury's lack of relative power will be exposed here I think, he can paw and slap all he wants but Wilder will walk through those shots and ultimately chin him.
Fury is a far more polished technician who is not as easy to hit clean as is made out. He switches stances, makes use of his reach, his weight and his stance is frequently narrow and he employs the shoulder roll to deflect most meaningful punches coming his way.
He's also been on the sauce for 3 years of his prime and fought 2 dummies in preparation. Collosall step up in class. I wouldn't fancy the Fury of 3 years ago never mind this version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FooBIlaRKl8
Nuts. Saw something as mad the other week, Scottish boxer Lee McAllister jumping up 5 divisions to knock Danny Williams out.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/boxing/44997688 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/boxing/44997688)
KSI and Logan Paul drew..
GGG or Canelo??
BIG DRAMA SHOW
I said years ago that the only thing that beats GGG at MW is age or size. Spike O'Sullivan fighting too, has been outclassed big time any time he has fought top level opponents in the past.
is the draw at 20s worth a punt?
Mayweather reckons he's making a come back to fight Pac-Man. It's nearly as if he is deliberately trying to piss off Amir Khan. ;D
Only fight left for Khan is Kell Brook?
Anyone know what time Spike is in the ring at?
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GGG or Canelo??
GGG again. Too big, too strong.
Did Canelo collapse after the weigh in? Doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/afowler06/status/1040944276950138880?s=21
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GGG or Canelo??
GGG again. Too big, too strong.
Did Canelo collapse after the weigh in? Doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/afowler06/status/1040944276950138880?s=21
What part of him fûcking up trying to sit on a chair did you take as him collapsing?
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GGG or Canelo??
GGG again. Too big, too strong.
Did Canelo collapse after the weigh in? Doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/afowler06/status/1040944276950138880?s=21
What part of him fûcking up trying to sit on a chair did you take as him collapsing?
The bit on Anthony Fowler's tweet where he says he collapsed. That's why I put a question mark. Are you still trying to create a grudge, angry boy?
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GGG or Canelo??
GGG again. Too big, too strong.
Did Canelo collapse after the weigh in? Doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/afowler06/status/1040944276950138880?s=21
What part of him fûcking up trying to sit on a chair did you take as him collapsing?
The bit on Anthony Fowler's tweet where it says he collapsed. That's why I put a question mark. Are you still trying to create a grudge, angry boy?
You have a very strangle concept of what constitutes anger.
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GGG or Canelo??
GGG again. Too big, too strong.
Did Canelo collapse after the weigh in? Doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/afowler06/status/1040944276950138880?s=21
What part of him fûcking up trying to sit on a chair did you take as him collapsing?
The bit on Anthony Fowler's tweet where it says he collapsed. That's why I put a question mark. Are you still trying to create a grudge, angry boy?
You have a very strangle concept of what constitutes anger.
Swearing in response to a fairly innocuous post would constitute anger to me. But swear away if that's what you do.
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GGG or Canelo??
GGG again. Too big, too strong.
Did Canelo collapse after the weigh in? Doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/afowler06/status/1040944276950138880?s=21
What part of him fûcking up trying to sit on a chair did you take as him collapsing?
The bit on Anthony Fowler's tweet where it says he collapsed. That's why I put a question mark. Are you still trying to create a grudge, angry boy?
You have a very strangle concept of what constitutes anger.
Swearing in response to a fairly innocuous post would constitute anger to me. But swear away if that's what you do.
I think you need to look at the post again if you think I was swearing at you. Very weird line of questioning.
Two vicious knockouts to start the card. Good to see Chocolatito back. Good to see O'Sullivan humbled.
Any links please? :)
Ring walks starting
Different fight from last time, closer I thought.
GGG won it for me but alot of rounds were close so could be a reapeat of last years fiasco
Yup
Canelo takes it
Robbery but not surprising
Yet again, people talking absolute bollocks about it being a robbery.
I had GGG by 4 but every round in that fight was razor thin. It could legitimately have been a draw or a win for either fighter by 3/4. All it takes is for one judge to see one punch differently in those circumstances and one guy has a point more and the other a point less compared to what you have in your head
So you have a guy winning a fight by 4 rounds but its bollocks that its a robbery that he didn't get the decision?
Great fight again. Let's hope they go for a third one!
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So you have a guy winning a fight by 4 rounds but its bollocks that its a robbery that he didn't get the decision?
He did say that all the rounds were razor thin.
I had it GGG but very close.
Aw now c'mon. GGG has got to be feeling like a blind man could have called that. You say the margins were thin but you are still clear the margins were his.
Someone bought and paid for that, question is who?
Oh wait trilogy- no way, who'd have thunk it...
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So you have a guy winning a fight by 4 rounds but its bollocks that its a robbery that he didn't get the decision?
He did say that all the rounds were razor thin.
I had it GGG but very close.
Likewise, but we all had Golovkin.... and he lost.
Its the definition of robbery
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2018, 05:22:47 AM
So you have a guy winning a fight by 4 rounds but its bollocks that its a robbery that he didn't get the decision?
Yes. Every single round was razor close. You do understand how boxing is scored, yes?
I gave him those four. A punch here and there and somebody else gives them to Canelo. There are world champion boxers who scored it 8-4 to Canelo. There are others who did the same for GGG.
For it to be a robbery, GGG would have to have won clearly. When you acknowledge that the rounds were incredibly close, it's impossible to win clearly.
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Aw now c'mon. GGG has got to be feeling like a blind man could have called that. You say the margins were thin but you are still clear the margins were his.
Someone bought and paid for that, question is who?
Oh wait trilogy- no way, who'd have thunk it...
Oh ffs, bought and paid for?
I'm clear the margins were his. I could conceivably watch it again tomorrow and score it differently.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2018, 05:22:47 AM
So you have a guy winning a fight by 4 rounds but its bollocks that its a robbery that he didn't get the decision?
Yes. Every single round was razor close. You do understand how boxing is scored, yes?
I gave him those four. A punch here and there and somebody else gives them to Canelo. There are world champion boxers who scored it 8-4 to Canelo. There are others who did the same for GGG.
For it to be a robbery, GGG would have to have won clearly. When you acknowledge that the rounds were incredibly close, it's impossible to win clearly.
Thanks for your definition of robbery I will spread the word around the forum to send you a PM next time anyone wants to use it on this thread to ensure that it meets your strict subjective standards.
The absolute state of you.
Oh to have the knowledge of Gallsman.
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Oh to have the knowledge of Gallsman.
It's nothing to do with knowledge. It's about the capacity to objectively think about what you've just watched.
A fighter lost a razor thin decision. That's it.
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Oh to have the knowledge of Gallsman.
It's nothing to do with knowledge. It's about the capacity to objectively think about what you've just watched.
A fighter lost a razor thin decision. That's it.
No doubting your ability to think objectively. Just the manner of dismissing the views of others.
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Oh to have the knowledge of Gallsman.
It's nothing to do with knowledge. It's about the capacity to objectively think about what you've just watched.
A fighter lost a razor thin decision. That's it.
No doubting your ability to think objectively. Just the manner of dismissing the views of others.
Dismissing biased, nonsensical views that refuse to contemplate an alternative point of view? Guilty as charged.
Ok in cold light of day...
The purse and PPV revenue for round 3 will be enormous and the longer they let it stew the higher the money it will rise.
Alvarez got 55% of last night's purse if I remember correctly.
Still think GGG had it by 3/4 rounds.
I reckon Povetkin has a very good chance of knocking out Joshua next weekend, was checking the betting and a round by round KO for Povetkin ranges from a minimum of 50/1 to a max of 100/. Thinking of backing him in every round for something different.
The bias of the commentators would have led you to believe that Alvarez was coasting the first half of the fight and that staying off the ropes should equal points for Alvarez
Everyone see the video of BJS taking the piss out of the addict girl and making her slap a random stranger and call him a paedo? sc**bag.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 18, 2018, 10:40:40 AM
Everyone see the video of BJS taking the piss out of the addict girl and making her slap a random stranger and call him a paedo? sc**bag.
Complete dirtbag.
Few boxers that project the idiot, sc**bag persona have lived up to it as thoroughly as BJS
AJ not looking too clever here
AJ in trouble. Povetkin 2-0 up, has possibly broken his nose.
He's still behind no matter what the Brit commentators shite talk about.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 22, 2018, 10:42:43 PM
He's still behind no matter what the Brit commentators shite talk about.
They are unreal. Froch just said AJ is boxing well! He's been average at best so far.
Ha just as I say that. Good knockout to be fair.
Had it 3-2 with a drawn round going into the 7th there. Some finish. Povetkin had no business trying to bang with him once he took the first shot as he was on queer street.
Fine finish
What a finish. No better man for capitalising on a fighter when he has him hurt.
One judge had it 59-55 to AJ ffs.
There's not a hope in hell a fighter is beating Joshua on points on home soil no matter if he's beat around the ring. Had to laugh at that scorecard myself. As a casual enough fan his defence looked ropey enough for the entirety of that fight?
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There's not a hope in hell a fighter is beating Joshua on points on home soil no matter if he's beat around the ring. Had to laugh at that scorecard myself. As a casual enough fan his defence looked ropey enough for the entirety of that fight?
Kept getting hit with the same 2 punch combo. Lowered the defence but that's more bravado than ought else. Wilder will clip him handy enough, but will take a fair amount himself. Should be an exciting bout
Furys not happy with his name not getting mentioned as a possible opponent
Be a joke if its Whyte Joshua in April.
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
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If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
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Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/anthony-joshua-sexist-niece-son-british-gq-interview-a8238006.html
Joshua is trapped in the stone age too, it's just he's usually better at hiding it than eejits like Fury or Wilder.
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Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/anthony-joshua-sexist-niece-son-british-gq-interview-a8238006.html
Joshua is trapped in the stone age too, it's just he's usually better at hiding it than eejits like Fury or Wilder.
Joshua is a good guy to be honest. That's about as bad as you will find on him and its not even bad really.
(MUST SEE!) PAULIE MALIGNAGGI & SPENCER FEARON GO AT IT; ROWDY DEBATE ON CANELO'S WIN OVER GOLOVKIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhGfmgnL48
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Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/anthony-joshua-sexist-niece-son-british-gq-interview-a8238006.html
Joshua is trapped in the stone age too, it's just he's usually better at hiding it than eejits like Fury or Wilder.
Joshua is a good guy to be honest. That's about as bad as you will find on him and its not even bad really.
Yeah just don't think about the drug dealing either and he is a good guy.
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Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/anthony-joshua-sexist-niece-son-british-gq-interview-a8238006.html
Joshua is trapped in the stone age too, it's just he's usually better at hiding it than eejits like Fury or Wilder.
Joshua is a good guy to be honest. That's about as bad as you will find on him and its not even bad really.
Yeah just don't think about the drug dealing either and he is a good guy.
Ah I wouldn't be that sore on him regarding that he was a young fella living in inner city London.
He's turned his life around and so far seems to be a very decent role model as well as being quite grounded.
McGregor could do with taking a leaf out of Joshua's book!
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Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/anthony-joshua-sexist-niece-son-british-gq-interview-a8238006.html
Joshua is trapped in the stone age too, it's just he's usually better at hiding it than eejits like Fury or Wilder.
Joshua is a good guy to be honest. That's about as bad as you will find on him and its not even bad really.
Yeah just don't think about the drug dealing either and he is a good guy.
Ah I wouldn't be that sore on him regarding that he was a young fella living in inner city London.
He's turned his life around and so far seems to be a very decent role model as well as being quite grounded.
McGregor could do with taking a leaf out of Joshua's book!
Uh, there's a hell of a lot of people in inner cities that don't deal drugs. Weird way to try to wash that one away. Joshua is good at what he does; he's also got a good PR team. He's not a great person no more than McGregor is, I certainly wouldn't be trying to put him on a pedestal above McGregor like you appear to be trying to.
People need to be looking somewhere else for role models.
We could look at Syferus as a role model ;D
Joshua sold a bit of weed when he was younger. His behaviour since has been brilliant, both inside and outside the ring. He is the perfect role model. Doesn't get involved in any of the trash talk, just gets the job done. I'm a McGregor fan but you can hardly equate Joshua and McGregor, Joshua is on a different level.
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Quote from: bennydorano on September 23, 2018, 03:51:25 PM
If Fury gets beaten by Wilder his box office is minimal, if he wins he'll be there in April. I'm guessing they were pushing Fury's buttons by ignoring him - quite successfully by looking at Twitter (he blocked AJ, who is taking great delight).
White looked pissed off about something on Sky's coverage afterwards but I missed the jist of it.
Whyte is a root who was lucky to hear the bell in his last fight. Nobody wants to see him fight Joshua; he got knocked out badly last time. I hear him saying he can get into AJs head, but thats balls. The only card he had was the amateur win which has been well and truly forgotten about.
I have always liked Fury but AJ has got the better off him in their latest battle. Tyson has to be able to take it considering he gives it so much. He slabbers away about hating AJ and how he will never give him the chance to fight him, yet AJ has conducted himself exemplary as usual and winded him up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/anthony-joshua-sexist-niece-son-british-gq-interview-a8238006.html
Joshua is trapped in the stone age too, it's just he's usually better at hiding it than eejits like Fury or Wilder.
Joshua is a good guy to be honest. That's about as bad as you will find on him and its not even bad really.
Yeah just don't think about the drug dealing either and he is a good guy.
Ah I wouldn't be that sore on him regarding that he was a young fella living in inner city London.
He's turned his life around and so far seems to be a very decent role model as well as being quite grounded.
McGregor could do with taking a leaf out of Joshua's book!
Uh, there's a hell of a lot of people in inner cities that don't deal drugs. Weird way to try to wash that one away. Joshua is good at what he does; he's also got a good PR team. He's not a great person no more than McGregor is, I certainly wouldn't be trying to put him on a pedestal above McGregor like you appear to be trying to.
People need to be looking somewhere else for role models.
comedy gold !
One of the downsides of blocking posters is that your miss some of the hilarious shite that they spout
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 24, 2018, 07:54:41 AM
Joshua sold a bit of weed when he was younger. His behaviour since has been brilliant, both inside and outside the ring. He is the perfect role model. Doesn't get involved in any of the trash talk, just gets the job done. I'm a McGregor fan but you can hardly equate Joshua and McGregor, Joshua is on a different level.
Cool that what I linked makes him the perfect role model in your eyes. That's more telling about you than you know.
Mcgregor is just awful, his achievements are now becoming lost in the woeful behaviour. What sort of role model is he to anybody?? AJ should be (& is) applauded for turning his life around from being a troublesome youth involved in drugs to what he has become, posters are severely reaching trying to use that to besmirch him.
Quote from: bennydorano on September 24, 2018, 06:42:33 PM
Mcgregor is just awful, his achievements are now becoming lost in the woeful behaviour. What sort of role model is he to anybody?? AJ should be (& is) applauded for turning his life around from being a troublesome youth involved in drugs to what he has become, posters are severely reaching trying to use that to besmirch him.
How dare I point out that Joshua's criminal record is worse than McGregor's! It's terrible when reality butts into your opinions, isn't it?
You should take a big redner for comparing them as role models, embarrassing statement - even for a fanboy.
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You should take a big redner for comparing them as role models, embarrassing statement - even for a fanboy.
Neither are role models. Fûcking athletes shouldn't be role models for anyone with a bit of cop on anyways.
Proper role model on now, though he said the word f**k a few times. So he's out ;D
Yeah, was watching it myself thinking Syf is so full of dung.
Was a good, well-made show that. Seems like a decent fella - Family man, and always has time for fans - Funny wee f**ker too.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 18, 2018, 10:40:40 AM
Everyone see the video of BJS taking the piss out of the addict girl and making her slap a random stranger and call him a paedo? sc**bag.
Now he's reportedly failed a drugs test. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/breaking-billy-joe-saunders-fails-13321796
Which is interesting given his views on Canelo. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/billy-joe-saunders-vs-martin-murray-canelo-alvarez-drugs-test-doping-a8320581.html
That's made my day.
Callum Smith knocked out Groves in the 7th to win the Super Middleweight World Super Series in Saudi Arabia.
Groves didn't look right all night and got rocked by a big left hook and some big follow ups. Groves was on his knee and Smith hit him very late on the back of the head. Groves didn't seem too bad and looked like he could get back up as the ref was counting. He was shaking his head though and didn't try.
Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Callum Smith knocked out Groves in the 7th to win the Super Middleweight World Super Series in Saudi Arabia.
Groves didn't look right all night and got rocked by a big left hook and some big follow ups. Groves was on his knee and Smith hit him very late on the back of the head. Groves didn't seem too bad and looked like he could get back up as the ref was counting. He was shaking his head though and didn't try.
It was the punch to stomach that done him I think. I didn't think that final punch even landed to the back of the head.
Yeah Groves even said himself after the fight that it was the body shot, video of the shot here:
https://twitter.com/Lupitosandoval/status/1045779707327729664?s=19
Fury and Wilder would do well to tone down the ridiculous McGregor Mayweather style nonsense in their press conferences. Its all a bit embarrassing and is beginning to put me off actually bothering to watch the fight.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2018, 11:34:23 AM
Fury and Wilder would do well to tone down the ridiculous McGregor Mayweather style nonsense in their press conferences. Its all a bit embarrassing and is beginning to put me off actually bothering to watch the fight.
At least McGregor usually means it. Fury and Wilder are actually friendly enough off camera but are putting on the act just for the hype.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2018, 11:34:23 AM
Fury and Wilder would do well to tone down the ridiculous McGregor Mayweather style nonsense in their press conferences. Its all a bit embarrassing and is beginning to put me off actually bothering to watch the fight.
It's silly stuff but I don't think it's as bad as McGregor and in fairness it's mainly Fury who's a complete rocket at the best of times let alone the build up to a big fight. Remember the Batman costume for Klitchscko?
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Quote from: BennyHarp on October 03, 2018, 11:34:23 AM
Fury and Wilder would do well to tone down the ridiculous McGregor Mayweather style nonsense in their press conferences. Its all a bit embarrassing and is beginning to put me off actually bothering to watch the fight.
At least McGregor usually means it. Fury and Wilder are actually friendly enough off camera but are putting on the act just for the hype.
What does McGregor actually mean? He's all smiles and hugs after every fight.
Canelo fighting Rocky Fielding at Super middle weight next. I did not see that coming.
Just saw. f**king hell, absolutely out of the blue.
Canelo signs 5 year, 11 fight contract with DAZN. $365m.
Biggest contract in sports history.
Jason Quigley wins last night to take his record to 15-0. Unanimous but tight going apparently. Would love to see Quigley get a shot at the world title, comes across as a top bloke
Full fight to watch later (or now if you work in the public sector)
https://youtu.be/hV4PTzcLaQk
Quote from: JoG2 on October 19, 2018, 09:26:12 AM
Jason Quigley wins last night to take his record to 15-0. Unanimous but tight going apparently. Would love to see Quigley get a shot at the world title, comes across as a top bloke
Full fight to watch later (or now if you work in the public sector)
https://youtu.be/hV4PTzcLaQk
He has had bad luck with injuries so hasn't really got fighting regularly, hopefully that changes.
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Canelo fighting Rocky Fielding at Super middle weight next. I did not see that coming.
Just saw a picture of these two together and the size difference is huge. Now obviously i expect Canelo to win this but surely his future cannot lie at that weight division.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 19, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 05, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Canelo fighting Rocky Fielding at Super middle weight next. I did not see that coming.
Just saw a picture of these two together and the size difference is huge. Now obviously i expect Canelo to win this but surely his future cannot lie at that weight division.
If you believe reports Alvarez he can rehydrate to anything from 180-200 pounds for fight night.
Tickets for the Frampton fight are going slowly.
Would expect them to have to add someone to the card.
What about Conlan?
Quote from: Taylor on October 20, 2018, 08:17:24 AM
Tickets for the Frampton fight are going slowly.
Would expect them to have to add someone to the card.
What about Conlan?
Surely that's due to the date of the fight. Too close to Christmas for most
Quote from: oakleaf93 on October 20, 2018, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: Taylor on October 20, 2018, 08:17:24 AM
Tickets for the Frampton fight are going slowly.
Would expect them to have to add someone to the card.
What about Conlan?
Surely that's due to the date of the fight. Too close to Christmas for most
No doubt it's due to the date. Doesn't mean they don't have to add someone to the bill increase ticket sales
In perhaps the strangest announcement in a long time, Floyd Mayweather is set to fight a 20 year old Japanese kickboxing potential superstar in the Rizin Fighting Federation in Saitama on New Year's Eve. Rules, weight, money etc completely up in the air. Mental.
Quote from: gallsman on November 05, 2018, 06:15:09 AM
In perhaps the strangest announcement in a long time, Floyd Mayweather is set to fight a 20 year old Japanese kickboxing potential superstar in the Rizin Fighting Federation in Saitama on New Year's Eve. Rules, weight, money etc completely up in the air. Mental.
Has to be having money problems...there's no reason for him to do this at his age
I see in reports that the weights are to be decided in the coming weeks but from the picture of the two together Mayweather is twice his size
Tough way to lose for Burnett at the weekend. Freak injury. He was boxing well at the time too and i would have expected him to go through to the next stage of the tournament. Unfortunate.
Mayweather looks a lot bigger than the Japanese fighter. Of course it will be a boxing bout, Mayweather won't budge with the rules.
Sickener for Burnett, hopefully he isn't out too long and can get back to fight for a title soon enough. The super series has been good so far but they will probably end up ruining it too, they already have another cruiserweight one lined up straight after the original, with some of the losers from the first one included. They should cycle through the divisions and hit each one every 3 or 4 years.
Quote from: gallsman on November 05, 2018, 06:15:09 AM
In perhaps the strangest announcement in a long time, Floyd Mayweather is set to fight a 20 year old Japanese kickboxing potential superstar in the Rizin Fighting Federation in Saitama on New Year's Eve. Rules, weight, money etc completely up in the air. Mental.
So it turns out Floyd didn't agree to this fight and in fact has never heard of the other guy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/46128264
Will Bellew overcome the odds tonight? This guy he's fighting is seriously talented.
Any links for the fight tonight
http://sportmargin.com/live-streams/usyk-vs-bellew/
Quote from: Boycey on November 10, 2018, 09:25:28 PM
Will Bellew overcome the odds tonight? This guy he's fighting is seriously talented.
No. Usyck is just far too good for him.
Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2018, 10:10:55 PM
http://sportmargin.com/live-streams/usyk-vs-bellew/
Good man, i was beginning to give up hope on finding a good stream said i'd have a look in here,cheers :D
Jesus the years aren't being kind to Hatton, he's only 40..
Quote from: Boycey on November 10, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
Jesus the years aren't being kind to Hatton, he's only 40..
Or Nas!!!
Aye ;D
Any other streams lads
5th round probably the first round Usyck has won
Brilliant to see
Blammo
Be interesting to see how this lad does at heavyweight!!
He's a vastly superior boxer to anyone at heavyweight. Whether he can take shots off the bigger lads is the question.
Is that Bellew finished?
Bellew rambling a lot there, not sure he'd fully recovered before that interview.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 10, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
Bellew rambling a lot there, not sure he'd fully recovered before that interview.
Definitely not. He said he couldn't remember what round it was, was told and then said the same thing again about 30 seconds later.
The Ukrainian amateur lads are scary. Such similarities between him and lomachenko.
Quote from: gallsman on November 10, 2018, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 10, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
Bellew rambling a lot there, not sure he'd fully recovered before that interview.
Definitely not. He said he couldn't remember what round it was, was told and then said the same thing again about 30 seconds later.
The Ukrainian amateur lads are scary. Such similarities between him and lomachenko.
Best bet of the weekend, to be stopped 1/1!
Quote from: gallsman on November 10, 2018, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 10, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
Bellew rambling a lot there, not sure he'd fully recovered before that interview.
Definitely not. He said he couldn't remember what round it was, was told and then said the same thing again about 30 seconds later.
And kept going on about how good Usyz was.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 10, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
Bellew rambling a lot there, not sure he'd fully recovered before that interview.
Usyk as impressive a boxer I've seen.
Usyk has handled big lads before; he was kicked out of the Klitschko camp for the Fury fight as he was schooling him in sparring and dealt handily with big Joe Joyce.
Looking forward to Wilder v Fury now, not a huge Fury fan but I'd still like to see him win, I really dont think he will though.
Sky bet have Wilder fav at 8/13 & 6/4 Fury.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 29, 2018, 01:28:40 PM
Looking forward to Wilder v Fury now, not a huge Fury fan but I'd still like to see him win, I really dont think he will though.
Sky bet have Wilder fav at 8/13 & 6/4 Fury.
What time is the Wilder/Fury fight due on ?
Quote from: bennydorano on November 29, 2018, 01:28:40 PM
Looking forward to Wilder v Fury now, not a huge Fury fan but I'd still like to see him win, I really dont think he will though.
Sky bet have Wilder fav at 8/13 & 6/4 Fury.
Fury will win, could get the KO but more likely take it on points.
On about 5am.
Seemingly Tyrone McKenna got a very dodgy decision tonight over in Scotland. Anyone watch it?
Watched it. Fairly dodgy alright.
From the get go, McKenna seemed confident that he would get the knockout and was without doubt the aggressor for the majority of the fight. Benson had the superior movement and landed by far the greater volume of punches.
McKenna tired significantly in the second half of the fight and his face started to really reflect the damage that Benson's high percentage of punches landing was doing.
It was clear who won come the final bell but the ref awarded the fight in favour of McKenna.
Steve Lillis conducted an interview within a minute of the ref calling the decision with both fighters. McKenna was the first to speak with Benson visibly distraught, sitting beside him. McKenna unsurprisingly agreed with the verdict. Going by Benson's facial expression I wasn't sure if it was going to be a good idea to let him speak as was expecting him to go off on a complete rant. He didn't say anything too outrageous. He announced his retirement there and then, citing a robbery of a decision and the fact he had feared a robbery and had requested decision to come via judges rather than a referee prior to the fight.
He perhaps said that in the heat of the moment. At the very least Benson deserves a rematch. The fight itself made for a great watch. McKenna would need to go back to the drawing board for his tactics if a rematch materialises - while he troubled him on a couple of occasions - nothing to suggest that he would stop Benson.
Fury vs Wilder - while I don't think it will make for a good fight at all (as in not being easy in the eye) I'm intrigued by it. I can't see anything but a Wilder victory. Fury going from fighting the likes of his two previous opponents (the fighting in the crowd troubled Fury more than the fighting in the ring for the first one of those fights from what I can recall) to fighting Wilder is just a step too far, too soon.
Lot of admiration for the comeback journey that Fury has made from the shape he was in a year ago to the condition he is now must have taken a lot of hard graft. Even stepping in the ring against Wilder represents a victory for him. Would be the stuff of fairytales (and fantastic to see) if he managed to beat Wilder and setup a fight with Joshua at some stage next year. While Fury will no doubt make things awkward and it will be a cagey fightfor the first number of rounds. It's very hard to see anything other than a Wilder victory.
The Gypsy King will give Wilder his fill of it tonight if the weight gain and loss hasn't taken too much of a toll on his body..
I'd be more concerned about the lack of quality fights in the past 3 years, an awful lot is being left to trust that he still has it.
Can someone tell me if Fury has a good Chin, in other words can he take a punch. Wilder's KO stats are impressive so Fury will get a haymaker. Then again has wilder knocked out someone this big. I hope Fury can pull it off.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on December 01, 2018, 12:44:37 PM
Can someone tell me if Fury has a good Chin, in other words can he take a punch. Wilder's KO stats are impressive so Fury will get a haymaker. Then again has wilder knocked out someone this big. I hope Fury can pull it off.
Fury has been down a couple of times before, once in the US. He has recovered to win both times. They reckon the power Wilder produces from his 15 1/5 stone frame is phenomenal. I think he'll finish Fury inside 10. Fury needs a few more bouts to get uo to speed
Furys greatest asset is his unconventional style, he's not easy to hit.. No doubt having said that Wilder will no doubt knock him spark out in round 1. I shouldn't like him but can't help myself :)
Fury has only been down twice ever. Got up and immediately one one fight and dominated the other to win by KO. Wilder has been wobbled too and been knocked out as an amateur. Fury hasnt got big one punch power but has an impressive KO rate too. Fury's size and movement make him a hard target to hit cleanly. He hides behind his shoullder well too. Wilder though fires punches that most arent prepared for in that they come from unorthodox angles. His speed at getting in and out is inreal too. Fury hopefully uses the 3 stone to tire him out and just stick to outboxing him.
I'm looking forward to this one now, intriguing indeed. Fury is an absolute nightmare to box against awkward and smart. Maybe Wilder has enough power, but maybe fury is just smarter..
Any links to the fight ?
WHATCHA GOT TA SAY ABOUT THAT DEONTAY? WHATCHA GOT TA DAY ABOUT THAT, MY MAN?
Wilder struggling to land anything at the minute.
Good fight.
How in the name of Christ did Fury get up from that?! He looked completely out.
Still a Fury fight for me. Absolutely dominated and bamboozled him apart from the two knockdowns.
Oh f**k right off. Absolute cop out to call that a draw.
Another disgrace
Fury won that fight. Poor judges declaring it a draw was a joke.
How do you call that 115-111 for Wilder???
Yup. In the likes of GGH-Canelo, the rounds are close and you can understand how they could go one way or the other but in that, apart from the 9th and 12th, Wilder might have just about won the 2nd and maybe the 3rd. Fury pretty clearly won everything else.
Told ye Wilder was rubbish.
Imagine what this fight would be if Fury was actually in shape and in England with halfways objective judging.
The draw will tie these two up for the first half of 2019 and it means the real fight I and anyone interested in the sport wants to see, Fury v Joshua, is going to be late 2019 if at all. Yikes.
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Told ye Wilder was rubbish.
Imagine what this fight would be if Fury was actually in shape.
He absolutely justified the hype ffs. He was outboxed for the entire fight and then absolutely floored him. Fury looked out cold at first.
That's all he needs to do at heavyweight. Nobody has ever claimed he's Sugar Ray Robinson.
Boxing is fixed what a joke
I asked earlier if Fury had a chin, he got up twice. Fury should have been avoiding him in the last round and it cost him. He still did enough to win it
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2018, 05:56:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Told ye Wilder was rubbish.
Imagine what this fight would be if Fury was actually in shape.
He absolutely justified the hype ffs. He was outboxed for the entire fight and then absolutely floored him. Fury looked out cold at first.
That's all he needs to do at heavyweight. Nobody has ever claimed he's Sugar Ray Robinson.
Pretty clear he needed dodgy judges tonight, too. Heavy punchers are a dime a dozen.
But glad to see you take the 'argue every point' atitude even when I'm literally proven right.
Deontay Wilder Vs Tyson Fury Highlights Recap.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAaJMOrQPw8
When the fight went to the cards, Fury should have won no doubt. I don't think anyone hasn't mentioned that it seemed like a very long count in the 12th round when Fury went down. Haven't seen it back so could be wrong. Fair play to Fury, to come this far in a year. Looking forward to the rematch.
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 06:26:19 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2018, 05:56:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Told ye Wilder was rubbish.
Imagine what this fight would be if Fury was actually in shape.
He absolutely justified the hype ffs. He was outboxed for the entire fight and then absolutely floored him. Fury looked out cold at first.
That's all he needs to do at heavyweight. Nobody has ever claimed he's Sugar Ray Robinson.
Pretty clear he needed dodgy judges tonight, too. Heavy punchers are a dime a dozen.
But glad to see you take the 'argue every point' atitude even when I'm literally proven right.
He almost won a fight he was clearly losing with one punch. That's been the arguement about him stepping up in competition his entire career.
As usual, you're not right but rather prove yourself to know absolutely nothing about yet another subject you insist on pontificating about.
Didn't get my lazy arse outa bed to watch it live, watched extended highlights there and they aren't as really damming of Wilder as the live fight presumably was. Fair play to Fury I've had plenty of doubts about him but he's a quality operator, Wilder is a puncher who seems to gas very quickly for such a light heavyweight.
It'll be interesting to see the dynamic now in the Heavyweight Division, Eddie Hearn wouldn't have liked that outcome!
I was also watching thinking Usyck would beat the pair of these boys.
I watched it with dodgy Russian commentary this morning but when has being difficult to hit been the basis for winning a fight??
Fury barely touched Wilder the whole fight and Wilder had 2 knockdowns which should be a 4 point advantage... apart from that the fight was quite even in terms of what landed for both so I would have given Wilder the shout.
Good scrap though!!
Quote from: screenexile on December 02, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
I watched it with dodgy Russian commentary this morning but when has being difficult to hit been the basis for winning a fight??
Fury barely touched Wilder the whole fight and Wilder had 2 knockdowns which should be a 4 point advantage... apart from that the fight was quite even in terms of what landed for both so I would have given Wilder the shout.
Good scrap though!!
Fury hit him plenty. Jabbed the face off him the whole fight ffs.
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 06:26:19 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2018, 05:56:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Told ye Wilder was rubbish.
Imagine what this fight would be if Fury was actually in shape.
He absolutely justified the hype ffs. He was outboxed for the entire fight and then absolutely floored him. Fury looked out cold at first.
That's all he needs to do at heavyweight. Nobody has ever claimed he's Sugar Ray Robinson.
Pretty clear he needed dodgy judges tonight, too. Heavy punchers are a dime a dozen.
But glad to see you take the 'argue every point' atitude even when I'm literally proven right.
You're not wise. You go to the ludicrous extreme of calling Wilder 'rubbish' and then attempt to take the higher ground ;D
Enjoyed the fight. Could have went either way. I'd say a rematch in England next summer. Some year for Fury getting back to that level.
I'd be worried about Fury staying in shape over Christmas. Hopefully he feels hard done by and stays motivated to keep in something at least resembling shape.
Was impressed with his tank last night given what his body's gone through.
Fury will put a few pounds on but i doubt he will fall off the wagon again. You would expect him to be even better after having this fight too. Warren should do a Hearn and get the rematch in April.
Tyson also does a mean version of American Pie...
Enjoyed the fight, Fury done what Fury does, dodges and counters, hes class at it, not everyones cup of team but how someone at that size, weight and build can make themselves so hard to hit is impressive, the thing about heavyweight boxing is it can just take that one shot and Wilder landed it, how Fury got up is a real credit to him just shows that although his main attribute is not getting hit he can also take the shots when they land. Im actually gutted for Fury because to all who have an idea on boxing he won that fight, i think it was Mayweather said one time, theres more to boxing than throwing punches. I like Wilder but you could tell how frustrated he was at not being able to hit fury in the opening rounds, he didint really know how to react, when they do face off again i would like to think that it'll be a different fight, Wilder will have the experience of 12 rounds with Fury and will have a better idea of how to fight, in saying that id love it to be in a big stadium in England and Fury to win.
Alejandro Rochin, who have it to Wilder 115-111, gave Wilder the first four rounds ffs. Laughable.
Showtime interviewed Mayweather and he had Fury up 5-0 at the time. At worst it was 4-1 at that stage.
Quote from: themac_23 on December 02, 2018, 12:14:25 PM
..........Wilder will have the experience of 12 rounds with Fury and will have a better idea of how to fight, in saying that id love it to be in a big stadium in England and Fury to win.
Or even better a big stadium in Ireland.......
Don't know what contract situations are like with Fury and Warren but I wonder would Del Boy Hearn have his eye on the rematch and oust Old Fish Eyes.
Quote from: screenexile on December 02, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
I watched it with dodgy Russian commentary this morning but when has being difficult to hit been the basis for winning a fight??
Fury barely touched Wilder the whole fight and Wilder had 2 knockdowns which should be a 4 point advantage... apart from that the fight was quite even in terms of what landed for both so I would have given Wilder the shout.
Good scrap though!!
Floyd Mayweather made a very successful career out of that.
Quote from: themac_23 on December 02, 2018, 12:14:25 PM
Enjoyed the fight, Fury done what Fury does, dodges and counters, hes class at it, not everyones cup of team but how someone at that size, weight and build can make themselves so hard to hit is impressive, the thing about heavyweight boxing is it can just take that one shot and Wilder landed it, how Fury got up is a real credit to him just shows that although his main attribute is not getting hit he can also take the shots when they land. Im actually gutted for Fury because to all who have an idea on boxing he won that fight, i think it was Mayweather said one time, theres more to boxing than throwing punches. I like Wilder but you could tell how frustrated he was at not being able to hit fury in the opening rounds, he didint really know how to react, when they do face off again i would like to think that it'll be a different fight, Wilder will have the experience of 12 rounds with Fury and will have a better idea of how to fight, in saying that id love it to be in a big stadium in England and Fury to win.
Fury will only get better too. Heard ones saying wilder will be better next time but fury cant improve. How? They were the same ones saying recently that Fury would obviously improve with more fights, now all of a sudden he has no room for improvement? How the judge gave Wilder the fight I will never know. Some fights are tight and hard to score, but this wasnt one of them. Fury dominated bar the knockdowns, and you could even have an argument for a 10-9 in one of those rounds too.
MMA Pros React to Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder Draw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJl600rvRAA
How the hell did Fury get up from that? The first punch sure but the cross on the way down was fierce.
Ringside commentator Teddy Atlas didn't hold back when describing the judges at the Fury fight, called them cowards
For Wilder to win, he would have needed what, another 4 rounds out of the 10 (not counting the 9th and 12th)? Joke, strong case that Fury won at least 9 of the other 10 rounds.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 03, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
For Wilder to win, he would have needed what, another 4 rounds out of the 10 (not counting the 9th and 12th)? Joke, strong case that Fury won at least 9 of the other 10 rounds.
I don't think so there were a few rounds that were close enough and could have gone either way. . . Fury spending so much time holding as well while Wilder was throwing punches (and missing I'll agree) probably didn't help his cause.
I'd happily watch them scrap again and I don't think it affects the Joshua fight as he probably wouldn't have boxed either early next year anyway!
For Fury to win he had to win clearly, to many it looked like he did but Screen is right that a few of the rounds were tight(ish) and with Wilder throwing punches (mostly missing) it may have tainted the judges viewing.
Joshua would not beat either of them and Eddie knows that. Will avoid them for as long as he can and fight duds like Whyte etc and make as much as he possibly can.
Quote from: Taylor on December 03, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
For Fury to win he had to win clearly, to many it looked like he did but Screen is right that a few of the rounds were tight(ish) and with Wilder throwing punches (mostly missing) it may have tainted the judges viewing.
Joshua would not beat either of them and Eddie knows that. Will avoid them for as long as he can and fight duds like Whyte etc and make as much as he possibly can.
I agree with that I don't think he'll fight them until he's exhausted everything else but they're 2 big paydays for him when the time comes and I think the fights will happen at some stage!
Well then its strange that ringside boxing commentators of 40 years experience of doing that job, described it as being a disgrace! Americans also..
Evgeny Romanov | THE MAN WHO KNOCKED OUT DEONTAY WILDER... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gTxYRy93w
I scored it 116-113 to Fury, for whatever that's worth. I had him winning 7 of the 12 rounds and drawing 3. The only rounds I had Wilder winning were the knockdown rounds, which I scored 10-8.
A lot of the rounds weren't really that tight. Fury was making Wilder miss constantly and was using the jab to control the pace. I'm sure the punch stats would back up the fact that Fury landed more too. He was the clear winner. After five rounds Mayweather had Fury 5 up.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
I scored it 116-113 to Fury, for whatever that's worth. I had him winning 7 of the 12 rounds and drawing 3. The only rounds I had Wilder winning were the knockdown rounds, which I scored 10-8.
Giving Wilder one of your drawn rounds and scoring one of the close rounds 10-9 to Wilder instead of Fury would take it to 114-114 which shows how fine the margins are. The 115-111 to Wilder is an outlier though.
The BBC correspondent said it was contentious rather than controversial in that he thought Fury won but also thought enough rounds were hard to call that he could see how others might score it different.
I thought Fury won
To beat a champion, do you not have to either knock him out or Win almost every round?
Quote from: Boycey on December 03, 2018, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
I scored it 116-113 to Fury, for whatever that's worth. I had him winning 7 of the 12 rounds and drawing 3. The only rounds I had Wilder winning were the knockdown rounds, which I scored 10-8.
Giving Wilder one of your drawn rounds and scoring one of the close rounds 10-9 to Wilder instead of Fury would take it to 114-114 which shows how fine the margins are. The 115-111 to Wilder is an outlier though.
The BBC correspondent said it was contentious rather than controversial in that he thought Fury won but also thought enough rounds were hard to call that he could see how others might score it different.
I thought Fury won
Agreed. I thought Fury won, but I don't think it was egregious for the UK judge to score it a draw. I can't understand the guy that scored it so heavily to Wilder though.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on December 03, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
To beat a champion, do you not have to either knock him out or Win almost every round?
You have to win the fight the exact same way you win any other fight.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 03, 2018, 02:01:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
I scored it 116-113 to Fury, for whatever that's worth. I had him winning 7 of the 12 rounds and drawing 3. The only rounds I had Wilder winning were the knockdown rounds, which I scored 10-8.
Giving Wilder one of your drawn rounds and scoring one of the close rounds 10-9 to Wilder instead of Fury would take it to 114-114 which shows how fine the margins are. The 115-111 to Wilder is an outlier though.
The BBC correspondent said it was contentious rather than controversial in that he thought Fury won but also thought enough rounds were hard to call that he could see how others might score it different.
I thought Fury won
Agreed. I thought Fury won, but I don't think it was egregious for the UK judge to score it a draw. I can't understand the guy that scored it so heavily to Wilder though.
It was a significantly worse drawn card than the GGG-Canelo ones. Furry was a clear (it not comfortable because of the knockdowns) winner for me.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
I scored it 116-113 to Fury, for whatever that's worth. I had him winning 7 of the 12 rounds and drawing 3. The only rounds I had Wilder winning were the knockdown rounds, which I scored 10-8.
Not worth a thing if you have 3 draws! You have to call each round. Despite the likes of knobhead Carl Froch continuing to give 10-10 rounds on his Sky scorecard pretty much every fight he does, the judges are told they have to pick a winner. Basically a 10-10 is left only as an option if nobody does anything.
None of the 3 judges scored a 10-10 in any of the 12 rounds at the weekend and there were no even rounds called in either of GGG-Alvarez fights, despite a helluva lot of rounds bring close. There's less than 1% of rounds called 10-10. Personally, I think it should used more widely, but the interpretation of the rules is that over 3 minutes one fighter must have done more than the other, even if it was only very slight.
No, you absolutely do not have to pick a winner. Judges not having the balls to call rounds draws is half the problem.
Quote from: gallsman on December 03, 2018, 04:17:30 PM
No, you absolutely do not have to pick a winner. Judges not having the balls to call rounds draws is half the problem.
Anybody giving wilder the first 4 rounds has a big set of nuts. It was blatant cheating and someone must be lining his pockets. Boxing popularity in the USA has been in steady Decline so you have to wonder why. The boxing public are not stupid and have turned their back on the sport because of boxers who refuse to fight the best opponent and judges like Pochun.
At the end of the day if Fury stays on his feet in the last round he wins!! A very bad error from him although how he got up I think will remain one of life's mysteries!!
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on December 03, 2018, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 03, 2018, 04:17:30 PM
No, you absolutely do not have to pick a winner. Judges not having the balls to call rounds draws is half the problem.
Anybody giving wilder the first 4 rounds has a big set of nuts. It was blatant cheating and someone must be lining his pockets. Boxing popularity in the USA has been in steady Decline so you have to wonder why. The boxing public are not stupid and have turned their back on the sport because of boxers who refuse to fight the best opponent and judges like Pochun.
What's that got to do with judges not giving rounds as draws?
ANDRE WARD: "DEONTAY WONT WANT A REMATCH WILL EVER HAPPEN FURY VS JOSHUA IN THE SUMMER!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSbyHDEWv0
Tyson Fury was the superior boxer vs. Deontay Wilder- Stephen A. | First Take https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OLpwr4AN-g
If Joshua fought Wilder & Fury that night!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ-apoTSODU
QuoteI feel so bad. It was such a beautiful display of courage, skill, and more than anything.......BOXING! All tainted by a damn judge. Robbed the man and boxing as a whole, of one of the most inspiring comeback stories ever seen. A real life Rocky. When he got up from that 12th round brutal knock down, I could not contain my emotions, and I feared for his life too. And then the big muthafu***r starts fighting back and wins the remainder of the round!!!!!! Fight of the Year, Trainer of the Year, Comeback of the Year, Robbery of the Century.
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Yeah man, as a Brit who has been following this intensely over the last year AJ vs Fury is now the fight. Wilder has over played his hand, he gambled on Fury and got exposed, he's damaged goods now and I'm not interested in anything Wilder or the Wildettes have to say, we know what they are going to say and it's boring now. AJ vs Fury is now the fight we want to see.
QuoteI agree - Wilder is psychologically beat - he will never be the same fighter - he's always had unbelievable belief in his strength - but seeing Fury get up in round 12 and both being religious men is going to play on-his mind in future bouts. I doubt they'll make Fury or AJ next. Most likely a phonecall to Suleman to call a mandatory followed by Ortiz 2.
Quote from: Medic on December 03, 2018, 08:16:16 PM
QuoteI feel so bad. It was such a beautiful display of courage, skill, and more than anything.......BOXING! All tainted by a damn judge. Robbed the man and boxing as a whole, of one of the most inspiring comeback stories ever seen. A real life Rocky. When he got up from that 12th round brutal knock down, I could not contain my emotions, and I feared for his life too. And then the big muthafu***r starts fighting back and wins the remainder of the round!!!!!! Fight of the Year, Trainer of the Year, Comeback of the Year, Robbery of the Century.
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Yeah man, as a Brit who has been following this intensely over the last year AJ vs Fury is now the fight. Wilder has over played his hand, he gambled on Fury and got exposed, he's damaged goods now and I'm not interested in anything Wilder or the Wildettes have to say, we know what they are going to say and it's boring now. AJ vs Fury is now the fight we want to see.
QuoteI agree - Wilder is psychologically beat - he will never be the same fighter - he's always had unbelievable belief in his strength - but seeing Fury get up in round 12 and both being religious men is going to play on-his mind in future bouts. I doubt they'll make Fury or AJ next. Most likely a phonecall to Suleman to call a mandatory followed by Ortiz 2.
I must have watched the same YouTube rerun as Screenexile, the Russian footage. Wasn't great footage, 2 camcorders. Having watched it since there's no doubt Fury won convincingly. Who wrote the bits above? Very very tainted towards rule Britannia, the centre of the universe. The bit in bold is claptrap imo. For a 15 stone man to still have the power to knock down a man well over 3 stone heavier than him in the 12th Rd is some going and rubber stamps Wikders power. . It was a ferocious knockdown and how Fury got up is a mystery. The fight will stand to both and I'd say both would be confident of winning the rematch. Hope it happens
ANTHONY JOSHUA REACTS TO TYSON FURY GETTING ROBBED AGAINST DEONTAY WILDER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OjjDeq34-4
Ray Moylette in a really good, tough fight at the minute. Struggled to make the weight apparently and he's shipping a lot of shots to the body.
It's been a really good card in Castlebar. Some very good fights and looks like they packed it out. Congrats to everyone involved. Except Seán Bán. He's ruining it with some bloody awful commentary.
And as I type, he's down twice in the fifth. Looks as if he doesn't have much left.
He did very well to survive that last round.
Ray looks out on his feet! Done really well to survive the last round.
Some comeback in the three rounds since. Your man is tough as old boots. Moylette would have to keep his foot on the gas to steal it and I'm not sure if he has much left.
Good fight, hard to call a winner. Possibly all down to the final minute!
I think the Mexican won for what it's worth
Mexican looked just that bit better.
Yeah, Burnett and Spike talking a bit of shite on commentary. 96-92 means that judge gave the 9 rounds without a knockdown 5-4 to Uruzquieta. Don't think Moylette can feel too hard done by that.
Oleksandr Usyk | THE MAN TO BEAT ANTHONY JOSHUA?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcqipioo7aw
Quote from: gallsman on December 03, 2018, 04:17:30 PM
No, you absolutely do not have to pick a winner. Judges not having the balls to call rounds draws is half the problem.
In practice, for world title fights with any of the 4 major organsiations, you do have to pick a winner. Judges are under instruction to do so. 10-10s happen, but in less than 1% of rounds scored.
Jono Carroll was lucky with his draw verdict last night
Watched a repeat of the Lomanchenko fight at the weekend. What an operator. That flurry of headshots in Rd 11 was relentless. Great scrap
Quote from: JoG2 on December 12, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
Watched a repeat of the Lomanchenko fight at the weekend. What an operator. That flurry of headshots in Rd 11 was relentless. Great scrap
He is in the top 2 best I have ever seen. The other being RJJ.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 12, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
Watched a repeat of the Lomanchenko fight at the weekend. What an operator. That flurry of headshots in Rd 11 was relentless. Great scrap
He's scarily good. 13 Pro Fights and Arum has stated that he's only looking challenges going forward ;D
Fielding 8/1 v Alvarez 1/14 tonight.
I'm guessing the bookies think defending Champion Fielding's natural weight, reach and height advantages are not gonna matter a shite.
Live on Sky.
Hard to see him troubling Canelo in all honesty. Genuinely didn't know Katie was on the card until I just read it on rte.ie, wonder what kind of purse she makes at this stage?
Surely Big Rocky hasn't a chance when we've see how quick Callum Smith got him out.........
Any Idea of ring walk time?
Irish media saying Katie due in ring at 11.30ish and it looks to me like there are 4 or 5 fights between her and the main event so I'm guessing 3.30 to 4am?
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 15, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
Surely Big Rocky hasn't a chance when we've see how quick Callum Smith got him out.........
Any Idea of ring walk time?
Round 7 knockout! 9/1
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2018, 12:08:00 AM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 15, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
Surely Big Rocky hasn't a chance when we've see how quick Callum Smith got him out.........
Any Idea of ring walk time?
Round 7 knockout! 9/1
Surely not that long
Quote from: Boycey on December 15, 2018, 09:29:15 PM
Irish media saying Katie due in ring at 11.30ish and it looks to me like there are 4 or 5 fights between her and the main event so I'm guessing 3.30 to 4am?
👍🏻
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 16, 2018, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2018, 12:08:00 AM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 15, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
Surely Big Rocky hasn't a chance when we've see how quick Callum Smith got him out.........
Any Idea of ring walk time?
Round 7 knockout! 9/1
Surely not that long
Well the bookies fancy rounds 4,5 and six for knockout (shortest price) I always have a punt on the next round as an interest in the fight!
Katie's f**king ruthless lads!!
It's so good to see Katie back on form after looking so disillusioned at the end of of her amateur career. She's only embellishing her status as the GoAT at this stage.
How sore would it be on the end of a Canelo body shit??
Very sore and very smelly.
The whole thing a set up from the start. Rocky as champ weighed in, walked in and announced first. Clearly just delighted to get the payday as he had absolutely no business in there.
Quote from: gallsman on December 16, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
The whole thing a set up from the start. Rocky as champ weighed in, walked in and announced first. Clearly just delighted to get the payday as he had absolutely no business in there.
No business no defence no tactics no clue! Wtf was he thinking? Embarrassing
How did that fight even happen, Feilding not even a proper Super Middleweight WBA Champion. Struggling to see whhat was in it for Alvarez ???
Quote from: bennydorano on December 16, 2018, 12:18:30 PM
How did that fight even happen, Feilding not even a proper Super Middleweight WBA Champion. Struggling to see whhat was in it for Alvarez ???
Scratches a fight from his 11 fight contract, gets paid and gets to call himself a three weight world champion?
Didnt realise until I watched it this morning but Fielding was only a 'Regular' WBA Champion, not the 'proper' Champ.
The WBA are a joke with their belt situation. Alvarez won't stay up at that weight but at least now on paper he will be able to call himself a 3 weight champion.
Any thoughts on Carl's fight at the weekend? He's small favourite but this will be harder than bookies think. Could even be another draw!
Sky sports boxing section is usually brilliant but its embarassing how they have lots of pundit views and articles etc on Chisora and Whyte and not one mention of this fight. Same with Fury the other week.
Personally think it's the worst time of year to have the fight and financially difficult to go and watch, so will be a party fight night at the In-laws instead..
Warrington a very good fighter, fighting at home, be interesting to see how this is scored since the Fury fight, as I feel it may go distance
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
Dont think Frampton will get it as easy as some think.
Frampton has a great engine but so does Warrington and he is relentless.
If Frampton does win it will be by fine margins.
The Manchester card is a stacked one in comparison to the London one. Ridiculous putting the two cards on the same night before Christmas anyway.
Hope Chisora wins the other one. If its anything like the first one it will be a war
I think Frampton wins a tough fight on points. I expect him to do most of his scoring in the early rounds.
White to knock Chisora out this time.
Eddie Hearn needs a kick in the balls for being a dick and purposely scheduling Whyte v Chisora for the same night. I'll be watching Frampton, was very very surprised to see Frampton as a 4/9 favourite, obviously hope he wins but I think it'll be very tight.
both ring walks around 10:30pm do we think?
Hopefully Frampton has enough to win, will be very close.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 21, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
both ring walks around 10:30pm do we think?
Hopefully Frampton has enough to win, will be very close.
Telegraph has Chisora Whyte at 10 and the mirror has Frampton Warrington at 10.30 but these are only best guesses
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
Quigg was getting stronger as that fight went on. Frampton was wrecked the last few rounds. Warrington is very fit and will throw lots over tbe fight but has no power (although Frampton isnt the big hitter he thinks he is either).
Whyte should beat Chisora, but Chisora is coming off a great win whereas Whyte was lucky to get the win.
Maddest news today was Billy Joe Saunders being 18 pounds over the MW limit.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
Quigg was getting stronger as that fight went on. Frampton was wrecked the last few rounds. Warrington is very fit and will throw lots over tbe fight but has no power (although Frampton isnt the big hitter he thinks he is either).
Whyte should beat Chisora, but Chisora is coming off a great win whereas Whyte was lucky to get the win.
Maddest news today was Billy Joe Saunders being 18 pounds over the MW limit.
KO's 56% shows that he is a big hitter surely?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2018, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
Quigg was getting stronger as that fight went on. Frampton was wrecked the last few rounds. Warrington is very fit and will throw lots over tbe fight but has no power (although Frampton isnt the big hitter he thinks he is either).
Whyte should beat Chisora, but Chisora is coming off a great win whereas Whyte was lucky to get the win.
Maddest news today was Billy Joe Saunders being 18 pounds over the MW limit.
KO's 56% shows that he is a big hitter surely?
56% isnt really high considering the number of fights he has had and that a lot of them would have been when he was on the rise. Been a while since he stopped someone bar the last fight which was against a poor standard of opponent.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2018, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
Quigg was getting stronger as that fight went on. Frampton was wrecked the last few rounds. Warrington is very fit and will throw lots over tbe fight but has no power (although Frampton isnt the big hitter he thinks he is either).
Whyte should beat Chisora, but Chisora is coming off a great win whereas Whyte was lucky to get the win.
Maddest news today was Billy Joe Saunders being 18 pounds over the MW limit.
KO's 56% shows that he is a big hitter surely?
56% isnt really high considering the number of fights he has had and that a lot of them would have been when he was on the rise. Been a while since he stopped someone bar the last fight which was against a poor standard of opponent.
Out his first ten fight 4 went distance, you are looking at recent fights? Last 11 fights he'd 5 knockdowns..
Look you can only fight what's put in front of you, he'll struggle for sure against Warrington, he's no Tyson but at that level he knocked out a lot more the others
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2018, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2018, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
Quigg was getting stronger as that fight went on. Frampton was wrecked the last few rounds. Warrington is very fit and will throw lots over tbe fight but has no power (although Frampton isnt the big hitter he thinks he is either).
Whyte should beat Chisora, but Chisora is coming off a great win whereas Whyte was lucky to get the win.
Maddest news today was Billy Joe Saunders being 18 pounds over the MW limit.
KO's 56% shows that he is a big hitter surely?
56% isnt really high considering the number of fights he has had and that a lot of them would have been when he was on the rise. Been a while since he stopped someone bar the last fight which was against a poor standard of opponent.
Out his first ten fight 4 went distance, you are looking at recent fights? Last 11 fights he'd 5 knockdowns..
Look you can only fight what's put in front of you, he'll struggle for sure against Warrington, he's no Tyson but at that level he knocked out a lot more the others
I am a Frampton fan and think he will win tomorrow. Just seems to lack the power against the top guys, before Jackson I think he went the distance 5 or 6 fights in a row.
Frampton in trouble here
Very few more rounds left in him by the look of it. Real pity.
He's beat unless he gets a knockout!! Warrington has changed his fighting style for this and as much as I love Carl he's done here! :(
The chisora whyte fight has been great so far
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 22, 2018, 11:04:41 PM
He's beat unless he gets a knockout!! Warrington has changed his fighting style for this and as much as I love Carl he's done here! :(
Agreed. Warrington by a few. He was relentless. Carl maybe landed more meaningful combos but didn't hurt Warrington at all in fairness. Super battle
Fair play to Warrington I said this fight will go distance and it's 50:50 but Warringtons start and combinations during the fight were something else
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 22, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
Fair play to Warrington I said this fight will go distance and it's 50:50 but Warringtons start and combinations during the fight were something else
Serious respect between the pair, great to see
Good scrap. Warrington's volume just way too much from the get go. Much better footwork throughout.
Frampton game but the tough fights he's had have caught up with in.
Some beaut from Whyte to finish the battle of the big guys.
In a house tonight with a bunch of Frampton's, they all had Warrington as fav before the fight, but Warringtons tactics were on point. The level of fitness was evident from the start. I hope Carl thinks this through and retires
Think the only fights that could interest Frampton now are a rematch and LSC 3. Don't see either of them happening, so that might well be that.
Quote from: gallsman on December 22, 2018, 11:51:50 PM
Think the only fights that could interest Frampton now are a rematch and LSC 3. Don't see either of them happening, so that might well be that.
Look Carl could fill a decent crowd in Belfast again but the reality is he may do his reputation more harm than good.
Lovely fella who I've know personally for many years. Been a joy to watch him fight and I still have great memories of taking his granda to the meadowbank arena for his first professional fight, great journey..
2 PPVs on one night.
Warren announced first and Hearn came in with his. No love lost there
Not that I forked out......... ;D ;D ;D
Does Frampton need the money though? He might need a few pound after the McGuigans cleaned him. Hopefully he retires as he looked done last night against a hungrier fighter. He's had a great career.
May need it for the McGuigan scrap next year !!!
Was a quality fight. Warrington put in a serious shift and seemed able to really hurt Frampton. Carl landed some accurate big shots but they weren't having the same effect. He fought well though and I do think retirement would be premature. Perhaps a fight with Selby?
If Frampton has to fight on due to money issues it would be a shame.
I believe he was paid what he was owed by McGuigan in their last court action.. there may be another pending, but let's face it, people want to believe these guys make a fortune, they don't, and by all accounts they'll retire a lot earlier than the normal worker. Being comfortable, I'm sure he will be but not well off the way Fury and co are
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
There's an owl lad around the town that often warns about "Know-It-All's".....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 27, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 21, 2018, 01:08:27 AM
Frampton will win handily enough. I heard the same hype around Quigg. It seems to be an English thing. And a split decision was an embarassing accounting of that night, too.
Frampton remains the best featherweight in the world and this is just a stepping stone on the path to Santa Cruz III, which is the fight people really want to see. After two excellent fights already it has the potential to make that rivalry one of the all-time greats.
There's an owl lad around the town that often warns about "Know-It-All's".....
It isn't just boxing though. He knows it all about EVERYTHING.
This fight/farce with Mayweather and the kickboxer is due on now anytime although Twitter seems to think Floyd gone awol
On PPV IN root anybody interested
Quote from: Boycey on December 31, 2018, 11:54:21 AM
This fight/farce with Mayweather and the kickboxer is due on now anytime although Twitter seems to think Floyd gone awol
On PPV IN root anybody interested
Waiting on it myself. Joke of a contest though, 3 rounds and it wont go on either fighters record. Mayweather again afraid to fight someone with at least some set of compromise rules established.
Watching this Rizin event atm.. Christ its grim viewing
Nasukama looks to have serious hand and foot speed going by what theyve shown this morning. I'm not sure how he'll be able to curb his natural instinct to kick Floyd as he withdraws though.
Disagree about Mayweather being afraid, he's a 42 year old semi retired boxer if people are dumb enough to throw money at him so be it.
Finally ready to go, I think
That was even more bizarre than expected.
Aye hard to know what to say, felt sorry for the lad actually
WTF was that!
What happened?
Mayweather knocked him 3/4 times, towel thrown in and young lad ends sitting crying. Took all of 2 mins.
https://youtu.be/KP3lypB3iuc
Hillarious that guy made freddie flintoff look good lol
Fair play to Danny Glover for refereeing 😂
What's the weight difference Mayweather looked twice the size of that cub!!
Mayweather is far bigger than the Japanese fella. The fella was quick and his hands were sharp but he had zero punch resistance. Mayweather isnt a big puncher and isnt that much bigger to cause the impact he did. Your man kept sort of bouncing too, very weird. Would love to have seen him just fire the legs and knees into Mayweather though.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 31, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
Mayweather is far bigger than the Japanese fella. The fella was quick and his hands were sharp but he had zero punch resistance. Mayweather isnt a big puncher and isnt that much bigger to cause the impact he did. Your man kept sort of bouncing too, very weird. Would love to have seen him just fire the legs and knees into Mayweather though.
It's crazy though McGregor and this young lad who are relative boxing novices think they're going to do something against arguably the greatest boxer that has ever entered the ring??
I understand there's a big payout but how much damage does that do to the brand?? Especially McGregor who got smashed quite easily the last time he was in the octagon. Surely if he gets smashed up again in his next fight it will tarnish his legacy and he'll struggle to maintain his status!
Quote from: Insane Bolt on December 31, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
Fair play to Danny Glover for refereeing 😂
disgusting comment :(
Twas only an exhibition, not a fight.
Bit like getting Johnny Logan into the ring with Tyson Fury and seeing who'll go to watch it.
That wee Japanese fella appeared to have the power of a 7 year old. You'd see better pub fighters in any town in Ireland.
Canelo vs Danny Jacobs in a middleweight unification fight on May 4th
I see Laois man TJ Doheny retained his World title in Madison Square garden last night.
Lennox Lewis's thoughts on the state of the Heavyweight Division, good read.
http://locfoundation.org/news-events
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the retirement of George Groves. A fighter who grew on me over the years and I was pleased that he eventually lifted a world title. Was comprehensively beaten by Callum Smith and was sensible enough to know his time was up at that level. It seems that the fight in which he seriously injured Guknecht played a factor in his decision and I'm not sure he was the same fighter after that incident.
I noticed Carl Froch was classy as usual with his comments.
He was never the same after Froch took his soul and obliterated him in the second fight.
I always had a soft spot for Groves, he was always game.
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2019, 10:42:13 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the retirement of George Groves. A fighter who grew on me over the years and I was pleased that he eventually lifted a world title. Was comprehensively beaten by Callum Smith and was sensible enough to know his time was up at that level. It seems that the fight in which he seriously injured Guknecht played a factor in his decision and I'm not sure he was the same fighter after that incident.
I noticed Carl Froch was classy as usual with his comments.
It's a pity Froch has proven to be such a co*k in post his boxing career - I loved him as a fighter
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 29, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2019, 10:42:13 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the retirement of George Groves. A fighter who grew on me over the years and I was pleased that he eventually lifted a world title. Was comprehensively beaten by Callum Smith and was sensible enough to know his time was up at that level. It seems that the fight in which he seriously injured Guknecht played a factor in his decision and I'm not sure he was the same fighter after that incident.
I noticed Carl Froch was classy as usual with his comments.
It's a pity Froch has proven to be such a co*k in post his boxing career - I loved him as a fighter
+1
Would agree with Benny, Groves definitely grew on me as well post Froch fights. A warrior in the ring. Re Froch, a great fighter who, up until the Groves fights carried himself well and respected his opponents. Groves got under his skin and Froch fought fire with fire. I also enjoy his analysis ringside during bouts. Now I'm not any social media, so he could be a complete ar$e on there.
See Froch and Ward are having a good old spat on Twitter at the minute. I'd love to think it was with the idea of a final fight....but i think as pointed out, Froch is just a bit of a twat.
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 29, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2019, 10:42:13 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the retirement of George Groves. A fighter who grew on me over the years and I was pleased that he eventually lifted a world title. Was comprehensively beaten by Callum Smith and was sensible enough to know his time was up at that level. It seems that the fight in which he seriously injured Guknecht played a factor in his decision and I'm not sure he was the same fighter after that incident.
I noticed Carl Froch was classy as usual with his comments.
It's a pity Froch has proven to be such a co*k in post his boxing career - I loved him as a fighter
One of the boxing heads at work sent me Froch's message to Groves:
"If you've never boxed, you will never understand the profound respect between two fighters, even if they don't like each other.
@StGeorgeGroves
I wish you a healthy & happy retirement. You was a solid world champion & you did yourself & your family very proud. Take care champ! 👊🏼"
Quote from: JoG2 on January 29, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 29, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 29, 2019, 10:42:13 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the retirement of George Groves. A fighter who grew on me over the years and I was pleased that he eventually lifted a world title. Was comprehensively beaten by Callum Smith and was sensible enough to know his time was up at that level. It seems that the fight in which he seriously injured Guknecht played a factor in his decision and I'm not sure he was the same fighter after that incident.
I noticed Carl Froch was classy as usual with his comments.
It's a pity Froch has proven to be such a co*k in post his boxing career - I loved him as a fighter
One of the boxing heads at work sent me Froch's message to Groves:
"If you've never boxed, you will never understand the profound respect between two fighters, even if they don't like each other.
@StGeorgeGroves
I wish you a healthy & happy retirement. You was a solid world champion & you did yourself & your family very proud. Take care champ! 👊🏼"
I believe this is his second statement after making a tube out of himself with the first?
He was on record years ago saying he wouldnt fight Ward again as it would just be the same result. Now he wouldnt risk his new nose.
https://twitter.com/chantellecam/status/1091437652400758784?s=19 (https://twitter.com/chantellecam/status/1091437652400758784?s=19)
More bad press for mcguigan and cyclone
Jaysus that was brutal. Garcia is a smooth operator. Fight should have been stopped cheeseman could well have suffered long term damage.
Dr Gale getting battered
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Dr Gale getting battered
Was good to see. Judges scoring not getting any better either
DeGale retires. Quickly followed by Froch announcing that he would have battered him.
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DeGale retires. Quickly followed by Froch announcing that he would have battered him.
He would have, but Froch is a knob too. De Gale did well to become world champion, but didnt really have any wins over any of the top super middleweights.
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DeGale retires. Quickly followed by Froch announcing that he would have battered him.
Is Froch genuine with these comments or has he now become a willing parody of himself. I really hope it's the latter.
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DeGale retires. Quickly followed by Froch announcing that he would have battered him.
Is Froch genuine with these comments or has he now become a willing parody of himself. I really hope it's the latter.
He actually is just a tube. I used to really like him too until the time he fought Groves. He has let the mask slip since he retired just.
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DeGale retires. Quickly followed by Froch announcing that he would have battered him.
Is Froch genuine with these comments or has he now become a willing parody of himself. I really hope it's the latter.
He actually is just a tube. I used to really like him too until the time he fought Groves. He has let the mask slip since he retired just.
He has definitely turned into a right twat.
Maybe trying to keep relevant and push for a job for life in the media
Anyone watch Conlan/Barnes last night? Sad to see Paddy taking a tanking, it just hasn't happened for him at all. Conlan's fight was pretty dull although he got what he needed from it. Himself v Nikitin will be a good show if it happens.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on Conlan's entrance music, Graffiti on the wall? I know it was Patrick's day but I found it very distasteful to have ooh ahh up the Ra being sung full pelt in the crowd. Fair enough to play the Irish card hard but surely there's a line to be drawn in the sand when it comes to sport.
Never watch Conlon, fights are too boring and he doesn't seem to have any power considering how big he is. Barnes is more entertaining and I was surprised he lost, but didn't realise he had hopped up two divisions in the process. That's him effectively finished.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 18, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Anyone watch Conlan/Barnes last night? Sad to see Paddy taking a tanking, it just hasn't happened for him at all. Conlan's fight was pretty dull although he got what he needed from it. Himself v Nikitin will be a good show if it happens.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on Conlan's entrance music, Graffiti on the wall? I know it was Patrick's day but I found it very distasteful to have ooh ahh up the Ra being sung full pelt in the crowd. Fair enough to play the Irish card hard but surely there's a line to be drawn in the sand when it comes to sport.
Belfast boxer Michael Conlan has been criticised after his ring entrance song in Sunday's bout in New York contained lyrics supporting the IRA.
Conlan, 27, entered the ring as the Wolfe Tones song Celtic Symphony played at Madison Square Garden.
The song's chorus includes the line "Up the Ra" and several unionist politicians have reacted angrily.
"Disgraceful that he has no regard for the victims of IRA terrorism," said DUP Belfast councillor Brian Kingston.
"Very disappointing that Michael Conlan does not follow the lead of many previous boxing and sporting heroes so that people can support him across the divide."
East Antrim Ulster Unionist MLA John Stewart was also strongly critical of the Belfast fighter who maintained his unbeaten record by defeating Mexican Ruben Garcia Hernandez.
"It's time someone told him that walking out to 'Oh Ahh Up the RA' is dragging him and the sport into the gutter. Sad," added the Ulster Unionist MLA.
The Wolfe Tones have written a number of songs which praise the IRA.
With Celtic Symphony playing at the 2012 Olympic bronze medallist made his way to the ring, a number of spectators sang the "Up the Ra" lyric when the song arrived at the chorus.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on March 18, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Anyone watch Conlan/Barnes last night? Sad to see Paddy taking a tanking, it just hasn't happened for him at all. Conlan's fight was pretty dull although he got what he needed from it. Himself v Nikitin will be a good show if it happens.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on Conlan's entrance music, Graffiti on the wall? I know it was Patrick's day but I found it very distasteful to have ooh ahh up the Ra being sung full pelt in the crowd. Fair enough to play the Irish card hard but surely there's a line to be drawn in the sand when it comes to sport.
Belfast boxer Michael Conlan has been criticised after his ring entrance song in Sunday's bout in New York contained lyrics supporting the IRA.
Conlan, 27, entered the ring as the Wolfe Tones song Celtic Symphony played at Madison Square Garden.
The song's chorus includes the line "Up the Ra" and several unionist politicians have reacted angrily.
"Disgraceful that he has no regard for the victims of IRA terrorism," said DUP Belfast councillor Brian Kingston.
"Very disappointing that Michael Conlan does not follow the lead of many previous boxing and sporting heroes so that people can support him across the divide."
East Antrim Ulster Unionist MLA John Stewart was also strongly critical of the Belfast fighter who maintained his unbeaten record by defeating Mexican Ruben Garcia Hernandez.
"It's time someone told him that walking out to 'Oh Ahh Up the RA' is dragging him and the sport into the gutter. Sad," added the Ulster Unionist MLA.
The Wolfe Tones have written a number of songs which praise the IRA.
With Celtic Symphony playing at the 2012 Olympic bronze medallist made his way to the ring, a number of spectators sang the "Up the Ra" lyric when the song arrived at the chorus.
Nolan all over this this morning. Wonder will they have Alan Partridge on tomorrow morning ! #blackandtans ;D
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Anyone watch Conlan/Barnes last night? Sad to see Paddy taking a tanking, it just hasn't happened for him at all. Conlan's fight was pretty dull although he got what he needed from it. Himself v Nikitin will be a good show if it happens.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on Conlan's entrance music, Graffiti on the wall? I know it was Patrick's day but I found it very distasteful to have ooh ahh up the Ra being sung full pelt in the crowd. Fair enough to play the Irish card hard but surely there's a line to be drawn in the sand when it comes to sport.
Belfast boxer Michael Conlan has been criticised after his ring entrance song in Sunday's bout in New York contained lyrics supporting the IRA.
Conlan, 27, entered the ring as the Wolfe Tones song Celtic Symphony played at Madison Square Garden.
The song's chorus includes the line "Up the Ra" and several unionist politicians have reacted angrily.
"Disgraceful that he has no regard for the victims of IRA terrorism," said DUP Belfast councillor Brian Kingston.
"Very disappointing that Michael Conlan does not follow the lead of many previous boxing and sporting heroes so that people can support him across the divide."
East Antrim Ulster Unionist MLA John Stewart was also strongly critical of the Belfast fighter who maintained his unbeaten record by defeating Mexican Ruben Garcia Hernandez.
"It's time someone told him that walking out to 'Oh Ahh Up the RA' is dragging him and the sport into the gutter. Sad," added the Ulster Unionist MLA.
The Wolfe Tones have written a number of songs which praise the IRA.
With Celtic Symphony playing at the 2012 Olympic bronze medallist made his way to the ring, a number of spectators sang the "Up the Ra" lyric when the song arrived at the chorus.
Nolan all over this this morning. Wonder will they have Alan Partridge on tomorrow morning ! #blackandtans ;D
Hardly surprising. Only surprising thing is that there was not more backlash. Fairly sad that someone so young and probably born around the time of the ceasefire thinks this is appropriate. Not great for box office for shows in Belfast either. Can you imagine the furore on here if Frampton came out bedecked in Union Jacks belting out UDA songs on his ring walk?
Conlon seems to be going down the mcgregor route of controversy. He looks like he's pushing himself with a "super Irish" kind of mantra whether that be to crack America or not I don't know but he's definitely not selling himself as cross community and I doubt there's any way back on that front. A very gifted boxer but doesn't really conduct himself very well. His brother almost always seemed the opposite.
I've never seen the like of it! Balloon bag
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 18, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Anyone watch Conlan/Barnes last night? Sad to see Paddy taking a tanking, it just hasn't happened for him at all. Conlan's fight was pretty dull although he got what he needed from it. Himself v Nikitin will be a good show if it happens.
On a side note, what are your thoughts on Conlan's entrance music, Graffiti on the wall? I know it was Patrick's day but I found it very distasteful to have ooh ahh up the Ra being sung full pelt in the crowd. Fair enough to play the Irish card hard but surely there's a line to be drawn in the sand when it comes to sport.
Apparently he was supposed to come out to this but someone put the wrong CD on...
https://youtu.be/bUUWmAeONnI
He doesn't appear to be too smart the poor lad. Management at fault here. Sometimes people need protecting from themselves.
Conlon is an idiot....seems to be intent on being 'The Bad Guy'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47747786 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47747786)
Not Whytes biggest fan but its not that hard to get a world title shot these days at Heavyweight and considering who he has beat its a disgrace that he has been overlooked so far. This whole WBC handling is beyond a joke too, him being the number 1 ranked contender but again being overlooked in favour of Breazeale. The latest talk is of Polish fighter Adam Kownacki getting a shot yet he has beaten very average opponents so far.
The article doesn't mention his IBF ranking, so I took a look to see where he sits with them and shockingly he isn't even in the top 20, which is an easy list to get on if you are half decent. But the biggest shock I noticed was the WBA rankings, where Whyte sits in 4th. Ahead of him is Trevor Bryan (who is ranked number 1), yet the last 4 fighters he has faced have a total of 80 losses between them. The number 3 ranked fighter Fres Oquendo hasn't fought in nearly 5 years, lost his last fight and has lost 8 times in total. Him and Bryan aren't even ranked by the other bodies.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 05, 2019, 10:49:38 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47747786 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47747786)
Not Whytes biggest fan but its not that hard to get a world title shot these days at Heavyweight and considering who he has beat its a disgrace that he has been overlooked so far. This whole WBC handling is beyond a joke too, him being the number 1 ranked contender but again being overlooked in favour of Breazeale. The latest talk is of Polish fighter Adam Kownacki getting a shot yet he has beaten very average opponents so far.
The article doesn't mention his IBF ranking, so I took a look to see where he sits with them and shockingly he isn't even in the top 20, which is an easy list to get on if you are half decent. But the biggest shock I noticed was the WBA rankings, where Whyte sits in 4th. Ahead of him is Trevor Bryan (who is ranked number 1), yet the last 4 fighters he has faced have a total of 80 losses between them. The number 3 ranked fighter Fres Oquendo hasn't fought in nearly 5 years, lost his last fight and has lost 8 times in total. Him and Bryan aren't even ranked by the other bodies.
Whilst the WBC's handling of Whyte has been poor, at least they have most of the top 10 heavyweights in their rankings. IBF, WBA and WBO's rankings are a joke. Fres Oquendo being ranked anywhere is also a joke. Super titles, Regular titles, Silver titles, joke.
My top ten would be something like this:
1. Joshua
2. Fury
3. Wilder
4. Ortiz
5. Whyte
6. Pulev
7. Povetkin
8. Miller
9. Parker
10. Rivas
Brezeale is probably there or there abouts with the likes of Takam to be fair. I'd have prospects like Kownacki, Yoka, Hrgovic, Dubois or Joyce ahead of Fres Oquendo at this stage, he wouldn't make my top 30.
Will be interesting to see if Usyk can make an impact at heavyweight.
Lomachenko is some fighter
Have just seen it. Crolla was a beaten man the moment he accepted the fight but Loma is ridiculously good. The movement and angles are insane.
Serious mismatch but fair play to Crolla for getting there.
Ref should have stopped it rather than a standing count!!
Dennis Hogan robbed of a World title in Mexico overnight. Tough one to take for the former Twomilehouse footballer. Hopefully he gets a rematch and the payday he is owed.
Crolla was mandatory so of course he was going to take the fight but it was a mismatch from the outset. Hopefully Mikey Garcia comes back down and gets the fight made with Loma now.
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
The irony
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 17, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
The irony
I know, how many drug tests has Ortiz failed at this stage? Was looking forward to this fight too, was hoping to see Miller flattened.
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 17, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
The irony
>:( i know, It's ridiculous. But Hearn is going to be under pressure to deliver a half decent name and I don't think they'd waste the Whyte fight as it will probably fill Wembley.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 17, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
The irony
>:( i know, It's ridiculous. But Hearn is going to be under pressure to deliver a half decent name and I don't think they'd waste the Whyte fight as it will probably fill Wembley.
Joshua needs a decent fight and soon as he's been well overtaken by Fury and Wilder. What the f**k do they hope to achieve with this fat f**k he's fighting now??
The Klitschko fight was a long time ago and many Americans have forgotten about it. He needs a big fight to get back into the conversation!!
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2019, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 17, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
The irony
>:( i know, It's ridiculous. But Hearn is going to be under pressure to deliver a half decent name and I don't think they'd waste the Whyte fight as it will probably fill Wembley.
Joshua needs a decent fight and soon as he's been well overtaken by Fury and Wilder. What the f**k do they hope to achieve with this fat f**k he's fighting now??
The Klitschko fight was a long time ago and many Americans have forgotten about it. He needs a big fight to get back into the conversation!!
Joshua, irrelevant of a bit of fan feeling, still has 3 of the 4 belts and has hardly put a foot wrong. In a way, he is running out of opponents as he has dealt with the majority of the contenders. Ruiz Jr is actually a decent fighter but he looks terrible. At the end of the day, he wasn't who they chose for Joshua to fight on his US debut but due to circumstances outside of their control, they have had to pick a late replacement and you are down to slim pickings when that happens.
Always been a Fury fan but I he is going the wrong way already fighting a bum for his next fight. Doing get this 'building his profile' craic, his profile will never be as high as it is now and this fight will not generate anywhere near the headlines or excitement that Wilder 1 or a potential Wilder 2 would have. When you look at Fury and Wilders next opponents, they are no better than Andy Ruiz Jr to be honest and are hardly setting the world alight with excitement or anticipation.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2019, 08:17:49 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 30, 2019, 06:21:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 17, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 17, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Looks like thon big fool Baby Miller has failed a drugs test. The guy should never have been given a shot at the titles. Hopefully Joshua May be forced to fight someone like Ortiz now as options will be minimal and surely they can pick a really low ranker to replace.
The irony
>:( i know, It's ridiculous. But Hearn is going to be under pressure to deliver a half decent name and I don't think they'd waste the Whyte fight as it will probably fill Wembley.
Joshua needs a decent fight and soon as he's been well overtaken by Fury and Wilder. What the f**k do they hope to achieve with this fat f**k he's fighting now??
The Klitschko fight was a long time ago and many Americans have forgotten about it. He needs a big fight to get back into the conversation!!
Joshua, irrelevant of a bit of fan feeling, still has 3 of the 4 belts and has hardly put a foot wrong. In a way, he is running out of opponents as he has dealt with the majority of the contenders. Ruiz Jr is actually a decent fighter but he looks terrible. At the end of the day, he wasn't who they chose for Joshua to fight on his US debut but due to circumstances outside of their control, they have had to pick a late replacement and you are down to slim pickings when that happens.
Always been a Fury fan but I he is going the wrong way already fighting a bum for his next fight. Doing get this 'building his profile' craic, his profile will never be as high as it is now and this fight will not generate anywhere near the headlines or excitement that Wilder 1 or a potential Wilder 2 would have. When you look at Fury and Wilders next opponents, they are no better than Andy Ruiz Jr to be honest and are hardly setting the world alight with excitement or anticipation.
In the last 2 years AJ has fought Takam, Parker, Povetkin and now possible Ruiz. That says it all.
AJ's team know that if he fights a big name (Fury/Wilder) and is beat the cash cow comes to a shuddering halt.
Fury and Wilder are the two big names in HW now simply because they fought each other.
The sooner fans & media start losing interest in AJ the better as it will mean he will have to take the big fights
Looks like Groves and Froch are posturing on twitter that the 3rd fight is going to happen....
Watched Canelo v Jacobs there this morning, decent fight, Canelo worked harder, Jacobs trying to be too cagey but he landed a couple of bombs, more urgency and he could have taken him.
GGG V Canelo again now with Jacobs waiting for the winner? Quality Division, Jacobs still has plenty to offer.
Sky commentators still gobshites.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 05, 2019, 11:05:51 AM
Watched Canelo v Jacobs there this morning, decent fight, Canelo worked harder, Jacobs trying to be too cagey but he landed a couple of bombs, more urgency and he could have taken him.
GGG V Canelo again now with Jacobs waiting for the winner? Quality Division, Jacobs still has plenty to offer.
Sky commentators still gobshites.
Division is looking lively, with one of the Charlo twins in there with Andrade too. Shocked to see the latest IBF rankings though, they have GGG at 7 or 8 - disgrace. Didn't expect Jacobs to make the morning weigh-in, he did the same against GGG.
Anyone following what is going on in Olympic boxing? Just read that the governing body have been suspended (Aiba). Dunno how that will impact the olympics though apparently it will still be at the olympics.
About time something was done to sort that sport out. Just got reminded yesterday of what a farce amateur boxing has become when I saw Callum Smiths next opponent, Hassan Ndam Njikam. I had clean forgot about him and other professionals being allowed to compete at the Rio Olympics.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 23, 2019, 08:02:30 AM
About time something was done to sort that sport out. Just got reminded yesterday of what a farce amateur boxing has become when I saw Callum Smiths next opponent, Hassan Ndam Njikam. I had clean forgot about him and other professionals being allowed to compete at the Rio Olympics.
Funny I've no issue with professionals being allowed to compete, I mean they are pretty much all professionals anyway aren't they with regards to full time training / various levels of funding.
It's the judges that need rooted out. Horrible, horrible decisions games after games that cost people massively.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on May 23, 2019, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 23, 2019, 08:02:30 AM
About time something was done to sort that sport out. Just got reminded yesterday of what a farce amateur boxing has become when I saw Callum Smiths next opponent, Hassan Ndam Njikam. I had clean forgot about him and other professionals being allowed to compete at the Rio Olympics.
Funny I've no issue with professionals being allowed to compete, I mean they are pretty much all professionals anyway aren't they with regards to full time training / various levels of funding.
It's the judges that need rooted out. Horrible, horrible decisions games after games that cost people massively.
There is obviously alot of corruption in boxing due to political factors but obviously the money involved is the main factor. But I always wonder is the judging controversies to do with ineptitude or corruption? Professional boxing needs to try and take steps to try and sort out the alphabet belt situation which is only getting worse; the WBA have about 3 world champions now while even the WBC have brought in interim belts. Growing up, I always saw the WBC belt as the most prestigious however the credibility around that organisation has definitely went downhill in recent years. They have let Wilder have a lot of defences against poor opposition and have made a mockery of their own rankings with the Breazeale/Whyte handling. Then you look at Adonis Stevenson, another fighter they seemingly wanted to keep as champion given the contenders he faced over the years and the same could be said of Gary Russell Junior.
This doll giving Katie plenty to think about so far.
Poor decision.. The Belgian girl was robbed
Taylor undisputed lightweight champion, won by majority decision 95-95, 96-94, 96-94. Not so sure about that as it looked like a dodgy decision
A draw would have been a fair result.
However the Belgian threw a few late hits on Katie
A savage fight from Katie, such a classy gutsy boxer, many of the rounds were 50/50 but the judges edged for Katie in most of them, so much so that the last round didn't matter unless she was knocked out.
No doubt there will be a re run.
Jaysus call it for what it was, a shocking decision. No one ringside thought she won, her corner didn't think she won, got a message from a friend who's at MSG he said it was robbery too.
The rte updater had katie ahead by 5-4 (one drawn) on the round by round assessment yet was surprised when Katie was adjudged the winner. Go figure.
here are the judges marks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg)
Wow wow wow!
Joshua was destroyed!
Great stuff. Aj and hearn have been hiding from a fight for years. Too busy protecting his undefeated record. Well its gone now. So he will have to fight Fury and Wilder and going on this he will be destroyed again
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 02:53:01 AM
The rte updater had katie ahead by 5-4 (one drawn) on the round by round assessment yet was surprised when Katie was adjudged the winner. Go figure.
here are the judges marks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg)
Whoever wins the later rounds always gives the best impression, but nicking the first is the very same as dominating the last. Frampton was some numpty calling it an "absolute disgrace". It was a tight fight that could have gone either way. I always find a good way to judge the decision is to take the majority view of the judge's scores on a round-by-round basis, which gives the following outcome:
1. KT
2. P
3. KT
4. KT
5. KT
6. KT
7. P
8. P
9. KT
10. P
So 6-4 for Katie.
That's perfectly sound logic, Hound.
If only people could see fit to apply that to fights being those featuring our homegrown stars, e.g. GGG vs Canelo II. Exact same situation, could have gone either way depending on how you see some very tight rounds. Yet people don't get the result they want off it so an incredibly close fight that could have gone either way becomes a "robbery".
I'm watching boxing long enough to be able to watch dispassionately, Katie didn't win in my opinion plus a vast amount of well respected boxing people who were there
Ruiz gives all us fat fellas hope 8)
Fair play to Katie Taylor. Ireland's greatest ever sportsperson.
Quote from: Hound on June 02, 2019, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 02:53:01 AM
The rte updater had katie ahead by 5-4 (one drawn) on the round by round assessment yet was surprised when Katie was adjudged the winner. Go figure.
here are the judges marks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg)
Whoever wins the later rounds always gives the best impression, but nicking the first is the very same as dominating the last. Frampton was some numpty calling it an "absolute disgrace". It was a tight fight that could have gone either way. I always find a good way to judge the decision is to take the majority view of the judge's scores on a round-by-round basis, which gives the following outcome:
1. KT
2. P
3. KT
4. KT
5. KT
6. KT
7. P
8. P
9. KT
10. P
So 6-4 for Katie.
Frampton called it 8-2 for Persoon ;D
One of the failings in this scoring system is that a boxer on the receiving end of a pummeling in a single round, still scores a 9 as long as a knockdown is avoided.
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
Boxing must be the only sport that nobody knows who is winning during it.
We have to wait to it's over to see who the winner is. Very strange indeed!!
Spectators in gaa, soccer and athletics all know who is in the lead during the games etc.
Anybody think of any other sports where we don't have the score during the action?
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 12:45:50 PM
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.
10-8 can be given without a knockdown. Would you agree that last night there was more scope for 10-10s rather than 10-8s yet there were none?
10-10 doesn't really exist. Except as a statistical anomaly. Check all online scorecards for big fights. 10-10 appears about 1 in 1000 times. I think it's only used if both fighters do nothing in a round. Otherwise judges are instructed to pick who did the best
Spewan saying that AJ gassing is proof he's doped up
And the judges were corrupted by Katie's team
He's some sc**bag for one sc**bag.
UK heavyweights been at the top of late and like that all the belts are in US hands. Big Fury to sort that out soon hopefully.
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
10-8 can be given without a knockdown. Would you agree that last night there was more scope for 10-10s rather than 10-8s yet there were none?
13. Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu (https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu)
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
10-8 can be given without a knockdown. Would you agree that last night there was more scope for 10-10s rather than 10-8s yet there were none?
13. Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu (https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu)
What did they officially score the 3rd? 9-7?
Anyone else think that Joshua is too nice a guy and doesn't do enough to make the opponent fear him? Like McGuigan he's not ruthless/agressive enough. The likes of Hagler and Tyson had most opponents beaten before they got in the ring as they thought they might get their heads torn off such was the hatred/ conviction in their eyes.
Big Joshua about 12ib overweight..too muscle bound that why he runs out steam so quick. Serious questions to be asked about his chin. He clocking up Alot of knock downs. Ruiz out of shape. What he be like if he took his sport serious. Could lose 2-3stone and be a serious boxer.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
10-8 can be given without a knockdown. Would you agree that last night there was more scope for 10-10s rather than 10-8s yet there were none?
13. Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu (https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu)
What did they officially score the 3rd? 9-7?
Nope, each round is scored 10/9 or 9/10
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg)
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
10-8 can be given without a knockdown. Would you agree that last night there was more scope for 10-10s rather than 10-8s yet there were none?
13. Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu (https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu)
What did they officially score the 3rd? 9-7?
Nope, each round is scored 10/9 or 9/10
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8BT8TeX4AEqI9O.jpg)
Meant in Joshua fight but I see it was given 10-8.
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 12:45:50 PM
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.
Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.
Never been too into the Joshua hype - he seems like a good guy but all these interviews about not taking fights against X because of the purse started to annoy me from members of his team - obviously that was not entirely him but it made it feel to me like he was happy enough to go through his career without taking on Fury or Wilder.
Now he'll have not really much choice but he'll have to rematch now which is another 7-8 months of his career and I think he'll turn 30 in the meantime.
I could see him retire if/when he wins a rematch.
Has to be serious questions about Joshua's chin and his weight. His head movement was poor, he looked dead on his feet and his equilibrium was gone as soon as he got clipped. You'd fancy Wilder to KO him if he can connect at all and Fury to give him a boxing lesson based on that.
Ruiz is a much better boxer than he is getting credit for though.
It looked a bit to me that Joshua thought he had Ruiz after the knockdown in the 3rd and by being over adventurous got clipped himself and never recovered.
Read there that the WBO heavyweight mandatory is due at the end of Sept and rematch clauses do not trump mandatories. White is mandatory at the minute. However is Ruiz vacates WBO to take the rematch, you could end up with White v Usyk for a vacant belt.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 03, 2019, 09:40:37 AM
Has to be serious questions about Joshua's chin and his weight. His head movement was poor, he looked dead on his feet and his equilibrium was gone as soon as he got clipped. You'd fancy Wilder to KO him if he can connect at all and Fury to give him a boxing lesson based on that.
Ruiz is a much better boxer than he is getting credit for though.
Joshua made a comment in the build up to this fight regarding his fight with Klitchko where he said that he would walk away from the sport if he had to go through another fight like that. I felt at the time this was a strange comment to make in the build up to a big fight and it would worry me if a fighter was thinking like that. Then watching the Ruiz fight unfold, that comment popped into my mind and I just thought that Joshua didn't really seem like he wanted to get involved in a brawl and the moment the fight became tough he was always looking for a way out. The guy has been under immense media pressure and I wonder does he still have the heart for it all.
At this point in time, unless he makes some serious changes to his preparation and given the lack of punch resistance he displayed v Ruiz, if he ever met Wilder, then I couldn't see anything other than him facing a very brutal knock out. I wonder is Wilder kicking himself for not getting that fight made?
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 03, 2019, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 03, 2019, 09:40:37 AM
Has to be serious questions about Joshua's chin and his weight. His head movement was poor, he looked dead on his feet and his equilibrium was gone as soon as he got clipped. You'd fancy Wilder to KO him if he can connect at all and Fury to give him a boxing lesson based on that.
Ruiz is a much better boxer than he is getting credit for though.
Joshua made a comment in the build up to this fight regarding his fight with Klitchko where he said that he would walk away from the sport if he had to go through another fight like that. I felt at the time this was a strange comment to make in the build up to a big fight and it would worry me if a fighter was thinking like that. Then watching the Ruiz fight unfold, that comment popped into my mind and I just thought that Joshua didn't really seem like he wanted to get involved in a brawl and the moment the fight became tough he was always looking for a way out. The guy has been under immense media pressure and I wonder does he still have the heart for it all.
At this point in time, unless he makes some serious changes to his preparation and given the lack of punch resistance he displayed v Ruiz, if he ever met Wilder, then I couldn't see anything other than him facing a very brutal knock out. I wonder is Wilder kicking himself for not getting that fight made?
He made his money from that fight - did I read correctly he got 20 mil for that fight at weekend? Sure how could you be bothered. Man has his money made, I don't see him going much further.
Out of interest what was the odds on Ruiz to win that fight? must have been one of the biggest upsets in recent years.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Out of interest what was the odds on Ruiz to win that fight? must have been one of the biggest upsets in recent years.
Think he was 25/1. Joshua was 1/50. Something like that.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 03, 2019, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 12:45:50 PM
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.
Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.
I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
Women's boxing is a poor enough spectacle in fairness.
That's taking nothing away from Katie or the other professional women boxers, it's still early doors with the sport in comparison.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 03, 2019, 11:27:57 AM
It looked a bit to me that Joshua thought he had Ruiz after the knockdown in the 3rd and by being over adventurous got clipped himself and never recovered.
Read there that the WBO heavyweight mandatory is due at the end of Sept and rematch clauses do not trump mandatories. White is mandatory at the minute. However is Ruiz vacates WBO to take the rematch, you could end up with White v Usyk for a vacant belt.
Think there is another organisation looking to force their mandatory too, just shows the corrupt nature of the sport or the power certain promoters have when Joshua got a good bit of leeway with the belts yet as soon as Fury won them the IBF stripped him almost immediately and the same now will probably happen with Ruiz Jr.
Rumours on facebook about AJ
QuoteBREAKING:
Anthony Joshua 's father has publicly stated that Joshua suffered a panic attack in his dressing room before the fight, delaying his ring walk. His Father asked Eddie Hearn to call the fight off as Joshua didn't look well and his father felt something was wrong.
Eddie Hearn responded by saying "He will be fine when he get's in the ring"
This is the reason Anthony Joshua's father confronted Hearn in the ring after the fight and words were exchanged.
I've seen alot flying about regarding the confrontation between Eddie and AJs dad and the reason for it is this according to Anthony's father who has spoken to media.
Anthony Joshua was also knocked out in sparring by European champion kabayel who is 19 wins 0 losses days before he fought Ruiz and his father had wanted Hearn to cancel the fight in the days leading up to it but allegedly Hearn talked them in to taking the fight.
Your thoughts..🗣💬
Quote from: Main Street on June 03, 2019, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 03, 2019, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 12:45:50 PM
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.
Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.
I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
That's a very generic overview from The Evening Standard for someone who has no idea how boxing is scored. It's hardly official rules from a governing body. It's also incomplete/incorrect.
As I've stated, you can get 10-8 rounds without a knockdown in boxing. I've seen it happen before.
Pacquiao v De La Hoya
Kovalev v Hopkins
And I think
Mayweather v Gatti
Calzaghe v Lacy
From Wikipedia:
'While uncommon, if a fighter completely dominates a round but does not score a knockdown, a judge can still score that round 10-8'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boxing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boxing)
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sports/item/ever-wondered-how-professional-boxing-s-scoring-system-works
A more detailed explanation. My original point back on a previous page was that reluctance to award rounds 10/10 is a bigger issue and I'll stand by that.
Quote from: MoChara on June 04, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
Rumours on facebook about AJ
QuoteBREAKING:
Anthony Joshua 's father has publicly stated that Joshua suffered a panic attack in his dressing room before the fight, delaying his ring walk. His Father asked Eddie Hearn to call the fight off as Joshua didn't look well and his father felt something was wrong.
Eddie Hearn responded by saying "He will be fine when he get's in the ring"
This is the reason Anthony Joshua's father confronted Hearn in the ring after the fight and words were exchanged.
I've seen alot flying about regarding the confrontation between Eddie and AJs dad and the reason for it is this according to Anthony's father who has spoken to media.
Anthony Joshua was also knocked out in sparring by European champion kabayel who is 19 wins 0 losses days before he fought Ruiz and his father had wanted Hearn to cancel the fight in the days leading up to it but allegedly Hearn talked them in to taking the fight.
Your thoughts..🗣💬
Apparently he was dropped in sparring hence the bruise on the face last week which he weirdly blamed on his physio:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/28/anthony-joshua-reveals-got-shiner-ahead-andy-ruiz-jr-showdown-9700282/ (https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/28/anthony-joshua-reveals-got-shiner-ahead-andy-ruiz-jr-showdown-9700282/)
The fella that dropped him was Joey Dawejko who was brought in as he had a similar shape to Ruiz Jr. It would seem to make sense given the reaction of Joshua's da after the fight. Apparently he had suffered concussion due to the sparring incident and the fight should have been cancelled but wasn't.
Quote from: Main Street on June 03, 2019, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 03, 2019, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 12:45:50 PM
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.
Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.
I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
Not an expert in boxing but I don't know what all the excitement is about. I thought Taylor won 5 of the first 6 rounds. She possibly lost the last 4 although I think maybe round 7 was a draw. It was a close fight and it was scored that way. I thought her opponent threw a lot of wild punches and did a lot of pushing which looks great but doesn't and shouldn't score points. Taylor picked her off a lot but not with massive power but clean and accurate. I don't get the controversy to be honest.
My thoughts too. I had her winning by 2/3 rounds.
Would you agree though that enough informed people thought she didn't win? I mean not people like me on here but commentators, journos and ex boxers. Immediately after fight I said I thought Belgian girl was robbed but in hindsight it certainly wasn't the worst decision I ever saw. I don't think there is that much controversy about it? Just a contentious decision that more people disagree with than agree with, it happens in boxing .
Quote from: Boycey on June 05, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
Would you agree though that enough informed people thought she didn't win? I mean not people like me on here but commentators, journos and ex boxers. Immediately after fight I said I thought Belgian girl was robbed but in hindsight it certainly wasn't the worst decision I ever saw. I don't think there is that much controversy about it? Just a contentious decision that more people disagree with than agree with, it happens in boxing .
Yeh that's the odd thing. Andy Lee on offtheball gave a commentary on It that I agree with myself.
Quote from: Itchy on June 05, 2019, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 05, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
Would you agree though that enough informed people thought she didn't win? I mean not people like me on here but commentators, journos and ex boxers. Immediately after fight I said I thought Belgian girl was robbed but in hindsight it certainly wasn't the worst decision I ever saw. I don't think there is that much controversy about it? Just a contentious decision that more people disagree with than agree with, it happens in boxing .
Yeh that's the odd thing. Andy Lee on offtheball gave a commentary on It that I agree with myself.
Simple. Have a rematch. Listen to your coach. Utilise your superior boxing and school her. Don't get sucked into a fight. Pace yourself, it's 10 rounds not 3 or 4.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 04, 2019, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 03, 2019, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 03, 2019, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 02, 2019, 12:45:50 PM
A bigger flaw in my opinion is a reluctance to give a round 10/10, most of us watching will have a couple of rounds even while the judges seem to be intructed to find a winner in each round. Take Katie's fight last night not one of the judges saw fit to give a shared round which in a close fight is mindboggling
That's not a flaw in the rules, the voting system allows for judge to award a 10/10. However it's in the rules that as long as boxer stays standing, at least 9 points is awarded regardless.
Unless the rule has changed recently 10-8 rounds can be given without a knockdown (a fighter completely dominates his opponent but the opponent doesn't go down).
It doesn't have to be 10-9, 10-8 etc. either. A round can be scored 9-8 for example if a fighter knocks down his opponent but also gets a point deducted.
I have already posted a link where the voting system is explained
https://tinyurl.com/y49ap4nu
13.Scores can vary from the usual 10-9 outcome. If Fighter A knocks down Fighter B, the round is scored 10-8 to Fighter A. If there is a second knockdown, it is scored 10-7.
That's a very generic overview from The Evening Standard for someone who has no idea how boxing is scored. It's hardly official rules from a governing body. It's also incomplete/incorrect.
As I've stated, you can get 10-8 rounds without a knockdown in boxing. I've seen it happen before.
Pacquiao v De La Hoya
Kovalev v Hopkins
And I think
Mayweather v Gatti
Calzaghe v Lacy
From Wikipedia:
'While uncommon, if a fighter completely dominates a round but does not score a knockdown, a judge can still score that round 10-8'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boxing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_boxing)
So then if a boxer gets heavily pummeled, they can on rare occasions be docked a point, fair enough. My reference in this thread was the last round of Katie's fight where on the night I would have judged it 10- 8 to the Belgian. It was later reported that Katie got out-punched 28 -10 in the 10th and Persoon's camp are moaning about 10 missing seconds from the start of the round, that had those missing seconds been added on at the end, the ref might have been persuaded to give Katie a standing count, reducing her total score by 3 points.
You said a couple of times that 10-8 was against the rules Main Street ;D
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I thought this article from today's Indo suggested that Katie's camp suspect the Belgian girl was drug tainted?
Katie Taylor's drug testing stand means she calls the shots for everyone
https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/katie-taylors-drug-testing-stand-means-she-calls-the-shots-for-everyone-38195125.html
Quote from: Boycey on June 09, 2019, 09:16:00 PM
You said a couple of times that 10-8 was against the rules Main Street ;D
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I thought this article from today's Indo suggested that Katie's camp suspect the Belgian girl was drug tainted?
Katie Taylor's drug testing stand means she calls the shots for everyone
https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/katie-taylors-drug-testing-stand-means-she-calls-the-shots-for-everyone-38195125.html
She has asthma and had an issue last year when visited at home by a drug tester, she couldn't urinate as she had only gone before the tester arrived and eventually sent him packing as she had to go on surveillance as part of her job as a cop. She has passed 3 tests since though.
Sure all the athletes have asthma, only reason why I've never made it at sport, no asthma
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 09, 2019, 09:41:39 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 09, 2019, 09:16:00 PM
You said a couple of times that 10-8 was against the rules Main Street ;D
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I thought this article from today's Indo suggested that Katie's camp suspect the Belgian girl was drug tainted?
Katie Taylor's drug testing stand means she calls the shots for everyone
https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/katie-taylors-drug-testing-stand-means-she-calls-the-shots-for-everyone-38195125.html
She has asthma and had an issue last year when visited at home by a drug tester, she couldn't urinate as she had only gone before the tester arrived and eventually sent him packing as she had to go on surveillance as part of her job as a cop. She has passed 3 tests since though.
Aye right enough you are quoting straight out of the piece I've linked!!
It was the whole tone of the article, Katie's camps surprise at how strong Persoon was at the end while Katie was gassing. The insistence of Blood and urine tests. The signing up to this volunteer drug testing that every one she fights will have to also sign up to
Anyone watch the Warrington-Galahad fight? Although he was awkward as hell I thought Galahad edged that but not surprised Warrington got the decision in his hometown. On that fight Frampton will be kicking himself and Warrington will struggle against the better champions in the division.
My uninformed opinion was Warrington just
Quote from: square_ball on June 15, 2019, 11:53:37 PM
Anyone watch the Warrington-Galahad fight? Although he was awkward as hell I thought Galahad edged that but not surprised Warrington got the decision in his hometown. On that fight Frampton will be kicking himself and Warrington will struggle against the better champions in the division.
Warrington edges it for me too and will probably fare better against the better fighters who are actually prepared to come and fight. Galahad looks like he has all the ability but that was a horrible display of holding and pot shorting. Surely he can't expect to nick a world title in that fashion in the champions back yard.
I agree with the lads above Galahad was awkward and didn't get hit much but didn't bring a whole lot offensively he needed to follow up on Warringtons misses with shots.
Warrington far from his best and Galahad given the rest of the division a glimpse of how he can be beaten!!
I wouldn't say Frampton kicking himself. Warrington was far too good for him. Wonder maybe did he believe his own hype a bit and that will maybe ground him a bit.
Fury handy win as expected though he was fighting a total bum lets be honest.
Just on Warrington I think he did underestimate Galahad. He'll be the underdog if he fights Santa Cruz or Russell. I do like him but just think he needs to develop more than just being that pressure, high work rate fighter.
Fury looked unreal. Obviously sharper and only going to be better next time against Wilder.
Thought Galahad won the fight too. He didn't do much offensively but neither did Warrington.
So, Lobov beat Mallinaggi in the bare knuckle thing. That's a bit embarrassing for Paulie given the mouthing he has been doing.
He didn't really beat Pauli though - he got a weird decision. I presume there is some sort of stated position of this version of boxing that rewards aggression and the desire to hit someone ahead of actually being able to hit and not be hit (box)?
Paul won that clearly if it was a boxing match.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 23, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
He didn't really beat Pauli though - he got a weird decision. I presume there is some sort of stated position of this version of boxing that rewards aggression and the desire to hit someone ahead of actually being able to hit and not be hit (box)?
Paul won that clearly if it was a boxing match.
Ah I don't know if he won or not. It's not a version of the sport I'd watch, but Paulie seemed to be doing a lot of talking and making threats which has made him look a bit silly now. This was most likely all about a big pay day with McGregor and that's lost for him now.
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 23, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
He didn't really beat Pauli though - he got a weird decision. I presume there is some sort of stated position of this version of boxing that rewards aggression and the desire to hit someone ahead of actually being able to hit and not be hit (box)?
Paul won that clearly if it was a boxing match.
That's exactly it, aggression is key, its the same reason its 5 x 2 minute rounds so the fighters go all out, I watched the promoter fella explain it, it basically sounded like he just wanted a pile of knock outs
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 23, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
He didn't really beat Pauli though - he got a weird decision. I presume there is some sort of stated position of this version of boxing that rewards aggression and the desire to hit someone ahead of actually being able to hit and not be hit (box)?
Paul won that clearly if it was a boxing match.
I thought it was even enough and could have gone either way. Paulie got more jabs off but Artem hit the harder punches. Paulie was hit plenty, sure his face had multiple cuts?
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 24, 2019, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 23, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
He didn't really beat Pauli though - he got a weird decision. I presume there is some sort of stated position of this version of boxing that rewards aggression and the desire to hit someone ahead of actually being able to hit and not be hit (box)?
Paul won that clearly if it was a boxing match.
I thought it was even enough and could have gone either way. Paulie got more jabs off but Artem hit the harder punches. Paulie was hit plenty, sure his face had multiple cuts?
I thought the same, I watched Malignaggi's interview after and he was saying he was only hit once all night and I was waiting for the journalist to call him out on it given the cuts on his face.
Shocked with the Quigley performance last night. Showed heart but looked like a zombie in there.
Didnt see it but Pacquiao beat Thurman on a split... life in the old dog yet or is Thurman spent? He hadn't fought any1 of note in over 2 years.
Disappointing for Jason Quigley also
Very sad news about the boxer Maxim Dadashev who died after collapsing following his bout on Friday. A reminder of how brutal the sport is and how dangerous it is every time they get in the ring. A stronger stance needs taken on drug cheats in sports like boxing.
Also, more sad news the other week with the death of Pernell Whitaker. One of favourite boxers and a defensive genius. I was showing some friends videos of him the other week and was amazed to hear they had never heard much about him.
Quote from: JimStynes on July 24, 2019, 10:47:23 AM
Very sad news about the boxer Maxim Dadashev who died after collapsing following his bout on Friday. A reminder of how brutal the sport is and how dangerous it is every time they get in the ring. A stronger stance needs taken on drug cheats in sports like boxing.
Also, more sad news the other week with the death of Pernell Whitaker. One of favourite boxers and a defensive genius. I was showing some friends videos of him the other week and was amazed to hear they had never heard much about him.
Sad need. I seen the video of his trainer Buddy McGirt pleading with him to pull out of the fight. I assume the bout was ended after that? I can't imagine what the trainer is going through at the minute.
Rumours on Twitter the Frampton fight is off at the weekend. Injured himself apparently. Not sure where that leaves him if true.
Quote from: square_ball on August 05, 2019, 09:47:39 PM
Rumours on Twitter the Frampton fight is off at the weekend. Injured himself apparently. Not sure where that leaves him if true.
Apparently a freak accident in a hotel where some kind of ornament fell on his hand!!
He's very unlucky with freak accidents ahead of fights!
should find out more on this later, but very strange, some people out a lot of money on this, the in-laws very lucky they didnt book
Seems fishy enough though. Talk emerging last week of him walking straight into a world title fight at SFW therefore there would be no point risking that for the fight he was to have as that was basically an eliminator for a FW title shot. The opportunity to go out on a high as a 3 weight world champion would be hard to resist.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
Seems fishy enough though. Talk emerging last week of him walking straight into a world title fight at SFW therefore there would be no point risking that for the fight he was to have as that was basically an eliminator for a FW title shot. The opportunity to go out on a high as a 3 weight world champion would be hard to resist.
From a purely boxing standpoint he hasn't looked the same since moving up in weight in my opinion, so moving up again wouldn't be a good idea. Now it could be from a financial/legacy standpoint that it makes sense.
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 08, 2019, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
Seems fishy enough though. Talk emerging last week of him walking straight into a world title fight at SFW therefore there would be no point risking that for the fight he was to have as that was basically an eliminator for a FW title shot. The opportunity to go out on a high as a 3 weight world champion would be hard to resist.
From a purely boxing standpoint he hasn't looked the same since moving up in weight in my opinion, so moving up again wouldn't be a good idea. Now it could be from a financial/legacy standpoint that it makes sense.
I thought he actually looked better in his first 2 FW fights than his last few at SB. Against Quigg he was running on empty for the second half of the fight, if Quigg had stepped on the gas earlier he could have ended it. He was also poor against Gonzalez junior too. The jump in weight between these divisions is miniscule too. I know his dream is to be world champion again, thats what he is aiming for. The only thing that would supersede that is the opportunity to become a 3 weight champion, and going by reports from the weekend he can take a title fight in the SFW division next. I think he fancies that and didn't want to jeopardise that by fighting a nobody for nothing.
That is probably all true but he's being very transparent with the injury sustained and going through a full camp including being in Philly for the past month.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2019, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 08, 2019, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
Seems fishy enough though. Talk emerging last week of him walking straight into a world title fight at SFW therefore there would be no point risking that for the fight he was to have as that was basically an eliminator for a FW title shot. The opportunity to go out on a high as a 3 weight world champion would be hard to resist.
From a purely boxing standpoint he hasn't looked the same since moving up in weight in my opinion, so moving up again wouldn't be a good idea. Now it could be from a financial/legacy standpoint that it makes sense.
I thought he actually looked better in his first 2 FW fights than his last few at SB. Against Quigg he was running on empty for the second half of the fight, if Quigg had stepped on the gas earlier he could have ended it. He was also poor against Gonzalez junior too. The jump in weight between these divisions is miniscule too. I know his dream is to be world champion again, thats what he is aiming for. The only thing that would supersede that is the opportunity to become a 3 weight champion, and going by reports from the weekend he can take a title fight in the SFW division next. I think he fancies that and didn't want to jeopardise that by fighting a nobody for nothing.
I've checked and you are right. Don't know why I thought he'd moved up after the Santa Cruz fights and not before. That being said, he is small in height and doesn't need the extra weight imo. Again, the lure of being a 3 weight champ probably (and understandably) outweighs that.
Quote from: square_ball on August 08, 2019, 04:20:09 PM
That is probably all true but he's being very transparent with the injury sustained and going through a full camp including being in Philly for the past month.
Aye, I follow him on Instagram and it was a big thing for him to be away for so long before the fight this time, I just wonder if this opportunity has only recently presented itself. Even the article below would suggest he has his eyes on a different target and isn't interested in the Dominguez fight:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49262346 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49262346)
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 08, 2019, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
Seems fishy enough though. Talk emerging last week of him walking straight into a world title fight at SFW therefore there would be no point risking that for the fight he was to have as that was basically an eliminator for a FW title shot. The opportunity to go out on a high as a 3 weight world champion would be hard to resist.
From a purely boxing standpoint he hasn't looked the same since moving up in weight in my opinion, so moving up again wouldn't be a good idea. Now it could be from a financial/legacy standpoint that it makes sense.
His career best performance, the first Santa Cruz fight, was at FW, the first time he stepped up. He'll struggle to hurt people at SFW.
Edit: have just seen your update.
Loma to make short work of Campbell tonight, good to have a fight with a decent start time....
Ringwalks now if anyone else watching.
Really good fight so far.
Hughie Fury bate again by an OAP
Thought the cards were harsh on Campbell but Loma is special..
Campbell was game but Lomachenko is a good level above him. Like the Dubs v Tyrone last year tried hard but ultimately not good enough!!
Hughie Fury should give up!!
Quote from: Boycey on August 31, 2019, 11:44:25 PM
Thought the cards were harsh on Campbell but Loma is special..
Not sure to be honest, any time Campbell had a bit of a success Loma upped it every time. Would have been stopped other than for that rugby tackle at the end of the 12th!
This Sky in-ring interviewer is a twat of the highest order.
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 31, 2019, 11:42:09 PM
Hughie Fury bate again by an OAP
Povetkin is no mug whatsoever. Had Joshua in all sorts of difficulty before getting stopped.
I thought Campbell lost every round bar the first. His size kept him in it, hopefully Lomachenko sticks to his word and lifts the last LW belt and then jump back to 130 and sorts GD out, although I heard that Mayweather said they are going to just wait to he ages.
Rough one about Errol Spence. Hopefully he can make a recovery because he's one hell of a boxer.
I see Paddy Barnes has been beaten.
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
Ward will hopefully get that one ruled a non contest. Hopefully he can recover from the injury and show his potential in the pro game.
I hope Barnes retires as he's just too old and not good enough for the level he wants to be in the pro game. It'll be interesting to see what he does with his life outside of boxing. He will maybe get a job with MTK.
Quote from: JimStynes on October 13, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
Ward will hopefully get that one ruled a non contest. Hopefully he can recover from the injury and show his potential in the pro game.
I hope Barnes retires as he's just too old and not good enough for the level he wants to be in the pro game. It'll be interesting to see what he does with his life outside of boxing. He will maybe get a job with MTK.
Aye, I see Di Bella mentioned an appeal which would make sense. Ward could have an unreal career.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
The record books say Ward lost but it wasn't really a loss.
Barnes should pack it in. Unfortunately just not at at level but at least he's honest enough to say that as well. Speaking of retirements Cummings should pull the pin too. There's nothing there either.
Quote from: square_ball on October 13, 2019, 09:10:18 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
The record books say Ward lost but it wasn't really a loss.
Barnes should pack it in. Unfortunately just not at at level but at least he's honest enough to say that as well. Speaking of retirements Cummings should pull the pin too. There's nothing there either.
Thinking the same with Cummings, not good at all.
It'll be interesting to see how Sean McComb gets on with his career. Seems like a complete header
Quote from: JimStynes on October 13, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
Ward will hopefully get that one ruled a non contest. Hopefully he can recover from the injury and show his potential in the pro game.
I hope Barnes retires as he's just too old and not good enough for the level he wants to be in the pro game. It'll be interesting to see what he does with his life outside of boxing. He will maybe get a job with MTK.
Didn't know what happened in the Ward fight so watched it back there... f**k that is one horrible injury!!!
Quote from: screenexile on October 13, 2019, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 13, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2019, 11:58:02 PM
He may as well retire. Joe Ward lost on his pro debut too. Best amateur of recent years list on his pro debut too, Robeisy Ramírez.
Ward will hopefully get that one ruled a non contest. Hopefully he can recover from the injury and show his potential in the pro game.
I hope Barnes retires as he's just too old and not good enough for the level he wants to be in the pro game. It'll be interesting to see what he does with his life outside of boxing. He will maybe get a job with MTK.
Didn't know what happened in the Ward fight so watched it back there... f**k that is one horrible injury!!!
A hard one to watch!!
Shocking news on Burnett.
Good scrap last night in the Taylor fight. He is a class act. Hard as nails. Is Cyclone still promoting him or what is the story there? Usually all the McGuigans be jumping around the ring after he wins but it was only Barry and obviously Shane there afterwards.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2019, 11:55:21 PM
Shocking news on Burnett.
And yeah that's a sad end to his career. He was a classy fighter. Would he have earned enough to be comfortable after early retirement? Not sure.
Quote from: square_ball on October 27, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
Good scrap last night in the Taylor fight. He is a class act. Hard as nails. Is Cyclone still promoting him or what is the story there? Usually all the McGuigans be jumping around the ring after he wins but it was only Barry and obviously Shane there afterwards.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2019, 11:55:21 PM
Shocking news on Burnett.
And yeah that's a sad end to his career. He was a classy fighter. Would he have earned enough to be comfortable after early retirement? Not sure.
Can't see it. He didn't have any massive pay days.
Quote from: JimStynes on October 27, 2019, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: square_ball on October 27, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
Good scrap last night in the Taylor fight. He is a class act. Hard as nails. Is Cyclone still promoting him or what is the story there? Usually all the McGuigans be jumping around the ring after he wins but it was only Barry and obviously Shane there afterwards.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2019, 11:55:21 PM
Shocking news on Burnett.
And yeah that's a sad end to his career. He was a classy fighter. Would he have earned enough to be comfortable after early retirement? Not sure.
Can't see it. He didn't have any massive pay days.
Wouldn't be that much money at that weight unless it was a super fight and he had none of those. Classy fighter and was hoping to see him fight Inoue.
That World Series he was involved in was probably going to be his big pay day if he had have won that. He just wasn't able to build the profile of a Frampton or even Michael Conlan.
Well done Katie Taylor who became a two-weight world champion in Manchester tonight
I see Frampton had a dig at George Groves for quitting. Didn't think that was in him.
Well done Katie. Another tough assignment.
Watched on Sky!
Jez, 10 rounds of the commentator telling us all how great Katie is.
Little or nothing about the actual fight going on or her opponent Christina Linardatou.
This is no fault of Katie. But Jez, it's a dose.
Times like this you miss Jimmy Magee.
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 02, 2019, 10:38:16 PM
Well done Katie. Another tough assignment.
Watched on Sky!
Jez, 10 rounds of the commentator telling us all how great Katie is.
Little or nothing about the actual fight going on or her opponent Christina Linardatou.
This is no fault of Katie. But Jez, it's a dose.
Times like this you miss Jimmy Magee.
Sky boxing commentary has been shocking for a number of years now.
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
Don't know enough about boxing to form a decent opinion but is there anything in the narrative that Katie is being protected and getting soft decisions cause its good for the Sport?
Tuned in for last few rounds of the fight and thought she wasn't as impressive as was being talked about but then again maybe she was really good at the start.
Also saw the fight against the one previous to this and thought she was in big trouble.
But as I say was looking for an opinion with a better boxing eye than mine.
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2019, 11:52:09 AM
Don't know enough about boxing to form a decent opinion but is there anything in the narrative that Katie is being protected and getting soft decisions cause its good for the Sport?
Tuned in for last few rounds of the fight and thought she wasn't as impressive as was being talked about but then again maybe she was really good at the start.
Also saw the fight against the one previous to this and thought she was in big trouble.
But as I say was looking for an opinion with a better boxing eye than mine.
I'm not an expert, but I watched the entire fight and thought she won comfortably, I would easily have scored it 7-3. Her opponent landed some good shots throughout the fight, but Katie comfortably out boxed her over the ten rounds. Taylor's eye looked bad, but it was caused by a clash of heads, other than that she was never in trouble. Her speed of thought and movement ensured a comfortable win.
Quote from: Ambrose on November 04, 2019, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: WT4E on November 04, 2019, 11:52:09 AM
Don't know enough about boxing to form a decent opinion but is there anything in the narrative that Katie is being protected and getting soft decisions cause its good for the Sport?
Tuned in for last few rounds of the fight and thought she wasn't as impressive as was being talked about but then again maybe she was really good at the start.
Also saw the fight against the one previous to this and thought she was in big trouble.
But as I say was looking for an opinion with a better boxing eye than mine.
I'm not an expert, but I watched the entire fight and thought she won comfortably, I would easily have scored it 7-3. Her opponent landed some good shots throughout the fight, but Katie comfortably out boxed her over the ten rounds. Taylor's eye looked bad, but it was caused by a clash of heads, other than that she was never in trouble. Her speed of thought and movement ensured a comfortable win.
Nah Katie was doing her work then getting out of the way while the greek doll could hardly land a punch I didn't think there was much in it although it looked like Katie was scared to get into a brawl this was probably her most powerful opponent to date had she connected with a few Taylor could have been gone.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
An amazing rise through the weights. Surely he has to go back down a little though because the reach did look a bit of an issue in the highlights that I watched.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 04, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
An amazing rise through the weights. Surely he has to go back down a little though because the reach did look a bit of an issue in the highlights that I watched.
He's probably running out of opposition which is a credit to him (despite not winning the first GGG fight - He would probably put him away now in a trilogy).
Callum Smith or Andrade won't exactly sell.
Got to give it to Floyd, he knew exactly what he was doing when he put him on his record back then.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 04, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
An amazing rise through the weights. Surely he has to go back down a little though because the reach did look a bit of an issue in the highlights that I watched.
He's probably running out of opposition which is a credit to him (despite not winning the first GGG fight - He would probably put him away now in a trilogy).
Callum Smith or Andrade won't exactly sell.
Got to give it to Floyd, he knew exactly what he was doing when he put him on his record back then.
Could Floyd be tempted out of retirement for a Canelo rematch? Stranger things have happened. Would be a cracker
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 04, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
An amazing rise through the weights. Surely he has to go back down a little though because the reach did look a bit of an issue in the highlights that I watched.
He's probably running out of opposition which is a credit to him (despite not winning the first GGG fight - He would probably put him away now in a trilogy).
Callum Smith or Andrade won't exactly sell.
Got to give it to Floyd, he knew exactly what he was doing when he put him on his record back then.
Would Canelo/Smith not be a fairly big fight in the UK? Granted smith wouldn't be the biggest name worldwide though.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 04, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 04, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
An amazing rise through the weights. Surely he has to go back down a little though because the reach did look a bit of an issue in the highlights that I watched.
He's probably running out of opposition which is a credit to him (despite not winning the first GGG fight - He would probably put him away now in a trilogy).
Callum Smith or Andrade won't exactly sell.
Got to give it to Floyd, he knew exactly what he was doing when he put him on his record back then.
Could Floyd be tempted out of retirement for a Canelo rematch? Stranger things have happened. Would be a cracker
Absolutely no chance. He beat a young and relatively raw Canelo back then. Would represent a massive risk to his record....but it would probably break every box office record in Boxing, if Floyd has been careless with his money, who knows.
Quote from: square_ball on November 04, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 04, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 04, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 06:09:04 AM
Vicious KO from Canelo after a boring enough scrap up to that point. He's a remarkable fighter.
It was some KO alright, think he was behind at the time too.
Canelo now surely one of the greatest ever? Got to hand it to him.
An amazing rise through the weights. Surely he has to go back down a little though because the reach did look a bit of an issue in the highlights that I watched.
He's probably running out of opposition which is a credit to him (despite not winning the first GGG fight - He would probably put him away now in a trilogy).
Callum Smith or Andrade won't exactly sell.
Got to give it to Floyd, he knew exactly what he was doing when he put him on his record back then.
Would Canelo/Smith not be a fairly big fight in the UK? Granted smith wouldn't be the biggest name worldwide though.
Canelo has went left field before....never thought he'd take the Kahn fight, you could well be proven right. But it would probably have to be in the US like Fielding before him,
Canelo's legacy is tainted for me because of the drugs scandal but everyone else seems to have forgotten about it
Callum Smith is bigger than Kovalev and has an even longer reach. I just cant see that fight happening.
Smith is a cracking boxer and would give Canelo a serious test. Revenge for the brother narrative could be sold etc
Not even sure this deserves to be in the boxing thread but what's the deal with these two YouTubers/vlogers or whatever they fcuk they are that are fighting tonight, PPV ffs.....
Young fella described it to me as like Messi fighting Ronaldo which I suppose I'd find moderately interesting :). Who are these guys and why do so many care?
Quote from: Boycey on November 09, 2019, 05:39:40 PM
Not even sure this deserves to be in the boxing thread but what's the deal with these two YouTubers/vlogers or whatever they fcuk they are that are fighting tonight, PPV ffs.....
Young fella described it to me as like Messi fighting Ronaldo which I suppose I'd find moderately interesting :). Who are these guys and why do so many care?
Should probably give both dudes the credit they deserve. They are in no way professional boxers but they are going to give it a go. Both guys have over 20 million subscribers and bar Mayweather, Pac and Ali would any other boxer have that many fans?
I wish Conrad Cummings would just pack it in. He's going to get himself seriously hurt.
Quote from: JimStynes on November 10, 2019, 06:00:13 AM
I wish Conrad Cummings would just pack it in. He's going to get himself seriously hurt.
Agree. Getting beat by every Tom Dick and Harry
Wilder pulls it out of the fire again with Ortiz, getting schooled for 7 rounds and then Blammo again, his luck is going go run out some day soon. I'd heavily fancy Fury if the rematch happens next as planned - he just has to dodge the killer blow.
Watched Callum Smith v Ryder last night, plenty giving off on Twitter about the scoring and I'd have to agree, very tight fight but correct winner imo.
Wilder has got a serious dig on him in fairness....
Quote from: Boycey on November 24, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
Wilder has got a serious dig on him in fairness....
Fury got the full throttle from him and got up.
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 24, 2019, 06:13:35 PM
Quote from: Boycey on November 24, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
Wilder has got a serious dig on him in fairness....
Fury got the full throttle from him and got up.
Would he get up again though? Fury will be better but Wilder will likely connect at some point again. It's not luck when he always does it.
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 24, 2019, 06:13:35 PM
Quote from: Boycey on November 24, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
Wilder has got a serious dig on him in fairness....
Fury got the full throttle from him and got up.
Fury did in fairness to him but doesn't alter my point.
What time is the Joshua Ruiz fight due to start?
👍
So a slimmer AJ or a chubbier Ruiz? Hard to see where Joshua goes if this boy beats him again..
Is there anywhere it can be streamed for free
Ringwalks underway....
Pissing it down in Saudi Arabia ;D
Very different fight Joshua not taking him on in a brawl.
Done well so far but doesn't look his usual confident self.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 07, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
Is there anywhere it can be streamed for free
http://crackstreams.com/boxingstreams/watch-dazn-ruiz-vs-joshua/
Joshua boxing well but he just look like he will completely unravel whenever he gets hit.
Ruiz has done nothing. Unless he gets in close this is going to end up 10-2
Well that was w**k
Need a dodgy judge to add some excitement
Joshua fought that fight with intelligence. Mayweather like tactics.
Good training for a fight with Wilder - dodge & dive and avoid the hammer.
Ruiz was basically a disgrace there AJ needs to be fighting somebody decent next time!!!
Stop getting your knickers in a twist lads...its all a set up.
I'm surprised to read that Tyson Fury has apparently split with trainer Ben Davison. They seemed to have a very close working relationship
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 15, 2019, 02:51:30 PM
I'm surprised to read that Tyson Fury has apparently split with trainer Ben Davison. They seemed to have a very close working relationship
fury's aul fella was very critical of Tyson's preparation and condition for his last fight. Blamed his management for it. Maybe camp isn't going well ??
His da is a tool and it's no coincidence that his coming out of jail occurred around the same time as Peter Fury fell out with Tyson.
Josh Taylor jumps ship now too.
Hopefully Barry got a two for one deal on his solicitor.
Wonder what Shane McGuigan thoughts are? Surely that's another top fighter gone after falling out with his family.
Quote from: square_ball on January 09, 2020, 04:21:32 PM
Hopefully Barry got a two for one deal on his solicitor.
Wonder what Shane McGuigan thoughts are? Surely that's another top fighter gone after falling out with his family.
Shane McGuigan obviously has some talent as a trainer. Is he next to leave Cyclone?
He's bound to be frustrated at what's happening particularly after getting Taylor to the level he's at now. He might go tell wee Barry he's off too.
30 year ago one of the biggest ever shocks in this sport happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/boxing/51438071?
Tyson on a downward spiral but Jesus he was an animal in his prime.
Remember reading about his training in Tokyo, he said he only worked out on local geisha (whenever the wife was out shopping) and did no real training. Even remember seeing the footage of him dropped in sparring not long before the fight too. He was still unlucky in that fight in that Douglas got some amount of time to get up after his knockdown in the round before the fight ended.
https://mtkglobal.com/new-signing/mtk-global-signs-amateur-star-quinn/
Congrats to Fearghus Quinn from Belleeks Co Armagh. I know his sister very well, certainly has dedicated every part of his life to boxing and now has the fantastic opportunity of fighting under MTK along side the fury, Frampton, conlons of the boxing world
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 12, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Remember reading about his training in Tokyo, he said he only worked out on local geisha (whenever the wife was out shopping) and did no real training. Even remember seeing the footage of him dropped in sparring not long before the fight too. He was still unlucky in that fight in that Douglas got some amount of time to get up after his knockdown in the round before the fight ended.
Didn't Don King go on a mad rant after declaring Tyson the real winner over the knockdown?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 12, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 12, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Remember reading about his training in Tokyo, he said he only worked out on local geisha (whenever the wife was out shopping) and did no real training. Even remember seeing the footage of him dropped in sparring not long before the fight too. He was still unlucky in that fight in that Douglas got some amount of time to get up after his knockdown in the round before the fight ended.
Didn't Don King go on a mad rant after declaring Tyson the real winner over the knockdown?
Think there was an official appeal lodged that delayed (by 2/3 days) Douglas being immediately declared the official recognised champion.
King tried to have decision overturned. Douglas was knocked down in the 8th round and the KO was in the 10th. Tyson's live was a mess by that stage. D'Amato and Jim Jacobs were dead, and King did his thing where he infected anything he touched and got Tyson to push out Bill Cayton as manager and Kevin Rooney as trainer. His corner for the fight didn't have an endswell ffs.
Quote from: general on February 12, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
https://mtkglobal.com/new-signing/mtk-global-signs-amateur-star-quinn/
Congrats to Fearghus Quinn from Belleeks Co Armagh. I know his sister very well, certainly has dedicated every part of his life to boxing and now has the fantastic opportunity of fighting under MTK along side the fury, Frampton, conlons of the boxing world
Is that the lad that fought Donnelly in the Irish finals a year or two ago and was robbed?
Quote from: Taylor on February 12, 2020, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: general on February 12, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
https://mtkglobal.com/new-signing/mtk-global-signs-amateur-star-quinn/
Congrats to Fearghus Quinn from Belleeks Co Armagh. I know his sister very well, certainly has dedicated every part of his life to boxing and now has the fantastic opportunity of fighting under MTK along side the fury, Frampton, conlons of the boxing world
Is that the lad that fought Donnelly in the Irish finals a year or two ago and was robbed?
The very one.
He can look forward to getting paid with lots of MTK drug money now like the rest of them.
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Congrats to Fearghus Quinn from Belleeks Co Armagh. I know his sister very well, certainly has dedicated every part of his life to boxing and now has the fantastic opportunity of fighting under MTK along side the fury, Frampton, conlons of the boxing world
Is that the lad that fought Donnelly in the Irish finals a year or two ago and was robbed?
The very one.
He looked good but dont know if he will be a heavy enough puncher at the higher level - fingers crossed another local boxer can go far.
Will have the opportunity to get on some good cards with them anyway if he gets a few wins
Fury a big 273
Wilder a very big 231
Anyone see Tyrone McKenna's fight last night? An absolute robbery of a decision for the French fella he was fighting. I was glancing at in play betting throughout and at the end the Frenchman was 1/200 to win then they suspended it completely they assumed it was that much of a given.
Though I suppose it's easier to market McKenna v O'Hara Davies in the final than some French fella who can't speak English.
Quote from: Don Johnson on February 22, 2020, 09:26:57 AM
Anyone see Tyrone McKenna's fight last night? An absolute robbery of a decision for the French fella he was fighting. I was glancing at in play betting throughout and at the end the Frenchman was 1/200 to win then they suspended it completely they assumed it was that much of a given.
Though I suppose it's easier to market McKenna v O'Hara Davies in the final than some French fella who can't speak English.
Yeah it was a robbery. I thought when they read the scorecards out the scores were fair enough in favour of the Frenchman and couldn't believe they said Tyrone McKennas name. The reaction of the ref said it all. Even Tyrone couldn't believe it either. It was a good fight too.
Wilder all over the place here!
Impressive start from Fury.
Wow that was absolute domination by Fury
Quote from: gawa316 on February 23, 2020, 05:41:58 AM
Wow that was absolute domination by Fury
Certainly wasn't expecting it to be so one sided
The Gypsy King absolutely schooled him.... Mightily impressive destruction of an opponent.
Special performance from Fury. Didn't think Wilder looked right even before he got smashed on the ear.
Please, please, please, please don't go off the rails. Schooling Joshua in front of 90,000 in Wembley has to happen.
From Patsy Cline to Don McLean, u couldn't make it up. What a man ;D
Quote from: gallsman on February 23, 2020, 05:53:15 AM
Special performance from Fury. Didn't think Wilder looked right even before he got smashed on the ear.
Please, please, please, please don't go off the rails. Schooling Joshua in front of 90,000 in Wembley has to happen.
This! Tyson Fury would absolutely demolish Joshua if he keeps himself right!
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Special performance from Fury. Didn't think Wilder looked right even before he got smashed on the ear.
Please, please, please, please don't go off the rails. Schooling Joshua in front of 90,000 in Wembley has to happen.
This! Tyson Fury would absolutely demolish Joshua if he keeps himself right!
Expect hearn to still be looking at a bigger split for AJ the bell end.
Delighted for Andy Lee btw. One of the best and most insightful analysts in Irish sport
Was not expecting that what a performance undoubtedly the best in the world!!
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Delighted for Andy Lee btw. One of the best and most insightful analysts in Irish sport
+ 1
What's next? Wilder part 3 or AJ?
Respect to the big guy tbh
Only one that can beat him now is his da
Quote from: gawa316 on February 23, 2020, 09:41:07 AM
What's next? Wilder part 3 or AJ?
There's a rematch clause in the contract but I can't see Wilder having the stomach for it? He'd be better off licking his wounds and aiming himself at Joshua I'd say.
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Delighted for Andy Lee btw. One of the best and most insightful analysts in Irish sport
Yes brilliant for Lee. First of many world champions for him I'd say.
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What's next? Wilder part 3 or AJ?
There's a rematch clause in the contract but I can't see Wilder having the stomach for it? He'd be better off licking his wounds and aiming himself at Joshua I'd say.
Yep, Wilder should let Joshua and Fury fight. Pray to God that somehow Joshua beats him then target that fight. He'd have to go through Whyte though I'd imagine which wouldn't be easy for him either.
Good performance from Jono Carroll just now but Christ Joe Gallagher didn't do Quigg any favours there. It was getting pretty dangerous in there for him.
So Fury v Joshua is on, twice....
Bit of a social media storm with it....Fury knew what he was at
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So Fury v Joshua is on, twice....
Bit of a social media storm with it....Fury knew what he was at
Kinahan looks to have had a major influence in getting these fights organised.
Few journalists will be having fits
Hopefully not just journalists.
Matt Cooper came straight out on his show and said we wont be giving this fight any attention. Unfortunately in the grand scheme of things The Last Word wont have much impact if it reports on it or not. Hopefully some of the bigger media outlets expose this sc**bag to the world.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaLUwDRWoAERgzH?format=jpg&name=small)
@StevieCahill
Think #danielkinahan is bad? Just remember back to when The General, Martin Cahill, began moonlighting as a football agent and was behind Ronaldo's move from PSV to Barcelona.
https://twitter.com/StevieCahill/status/1270811975065522176?s=20 (https://twitter.com/StevieCahill/status/1270811975065522176?s=20)
Gary Lineker was tweeting about the fight and some people sent him links to Kinahan which he obviously read given his reply
Seems to be at it every fight too. You'd think he'd learn.
Lucky enough escape alright but he looked good and did well to get the finish.
Frampton not looking great here so far. Sluggish and easily hit by a guy who shouldn't even be on his radar.
Won it handy in 1st gear having gone up in weight.
Yah, i doubt he would even spar him . Late replacement. Be interesting to see if they go ahead with Herring without a crowd. Herring towers over Frampton sizewise but his record isnt all that. Beat a Japanese to get his strap.
Quote from: LilySavage on August 16, 2020, 12:05:42 AM
Yah, i doubt he would even spar him . Late replacement. Be interesting to see if they go ahead with Herring without a crowd. Herring towers over Frampton sizewise but his record isnt all that. Beat a Japanese to get his strap.
What on earth is that supposed to mean? You realise one of the best lb for lb boxers on the planet is Japanese?
Calm down. What was meant was there are sometimes softer World Titkes won when boxing against Japanese fighters who have strong domestic records. TJ Dohenys for example. Wayne McCullough to a lesser extent. My overall point is that Herrings CV is not as stellar as one may think.
Japan would have far more champions than us at the lower weights, seem to do very well. Frampton is on the slide and hasnt had a victory of note in some time, but would love to see him beat Herring.
See Breakhus lost last night to a girl Taylor beat before, McCaskill. Real opportunity for Taylor to get all 4 WW belts in one fight if she can be smart and box Persoon. Persoon is fitter than Taylor but she recently lost an amateur fight, dont think much can be read into that though. She seems a slow starter who comes on as the rounds progress.
KT potentially in trouble here. Persoon winning plenty of rounds through sheer relentlessness.
Could be 6-4 to either of them or easily a draw.
Taylor's engine is poor, seems knackered after 3/4 2 minute rounds.
Wrong result.
No problem with 96-94 but 98-93 a bit wide. Either of them could have been given it. KT with the skills and better boxing as always, Persoon with unbelievable pressure and volume.
Well done to Katie, seemed a more definite clear cut victory than last time, more techincal skill and cleaner hits from Katie probably impressed the judges. I think Persoon acccepted she was well beaten this time.
steve bunce what a p***k
Quote from: Main Street on August 22, 2020, 10:37:16 PM
Well done to Katie, seemed a more definite clear cut victory than last time, more techincal skill and cleaner hits from Katie probably impressed the judges. I think Persoon acccepted she was well beaten this time.
Do you get off on being a contrary f**k or what exactly is your deal?
She wasn't "well beaten" in the slightest, as acknowledged by basically everybody but you.
will thrown and landed punch stats be available?
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Quote from: Main Street on August 22, 2020, 10:37:16 PM
Well done to Katie, seemed a more definite clear cut victory than last time, more techincal skill and cleaner hits from Katie probably impressed the judges. I think Persoon acccepted she was well beaten this time.
Do you get off on being a contrary f**k or what exactly is your deal?
She wasn't "well beaten" in the slightest, as acknowledged by basically everybody but you.
Persoon acknowledged she was beaten, said she was well hurt and couldn't hurt Katie, one judge went 98 -93.
So, go fck yourself gobshite and wallow in your own bile, you have enough of it to spare.
100% right main st
Absolute state of the pair of you.
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100% right main st
Persoon was a different person altogether after this fight compared to the last fight against Katie.
She was utterly frustrated last time (justifiably?) thinking she had won, just on her superior aggression and durability. This time despite a broken nose and battered face, she was almost jovial and totally accepting she was beaten by the more skillful boxer.
They look like good buddies now, probably will join in on a prayer of thanks together.
Whyte knocked out cold with one uppercut in the 5th having won every round, even put Povetkin down twice in the 4th. Huge KO.
Dillian Whyte was dominating there and then boom, uppercut.
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Whyte knocked out cold with one uppercut in the 5th having won every round, even put Povetkin down twice in the 4th. Huge KO.
Wow. One of the biggest knockouts I have seen.
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Whyte knocked out cold with one uppercut in the 5th having won every round, even put Povetkin down twice in the 4th. Huge KO.
Wow. One of the biggest knockouts I have seen.
Asleep before he hit the deck.
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2020, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 22, 2020, 10:37:16 PM
Well done to Katie, seemed a more definite clear cut victory than last time, more techincal skill and cleaner hits from Katie probably impressed the judges. I think Persoon acccepted she was well beaten this time.
Do you get off on being a contrary f**k or what exactly is your deal?
She wasn't "well beaten" in the slightest, as acknowledged by basically everybody but you.
You sometimes overvalue your opinion gallsman 😂
Katie Taylor was introduced on the telly as a Team GB Olympic athlete.
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Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2020, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: Main Street on August 22, 2020, 10:37:16 PM
Well done to Katie, seemed a more definite clear cut victory than last time, more techincal skill and cleaner hits from Katie probably impressed the judges. I think Persoon acccepted she was well beaten this time.
Do you get off on being a contrary f**k or what exactly is your deal?
She wasn't "well beaten" in the slightest, as acknowledged by basically everybody but you.
You sometimes overvalue your opinion gallsman 😂
Every single analyst or pundit with any credibility whatsoever said it was another extremely close fight. Plenty of people gave it to Persoon. Anyone claiming she was "well beaten" is either a twat or doesn't have a f**king clue about boxing. Your man up above is both.
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Katie Taylor was introduced on the telly as a Team GB Olympic athlete.
The ''GB'' probably stands for ''Greater Bray'' Area! ;D
Glad to see Whyte beat, slabbering for weeks about Fury when he should have been focused on Povetkin. Shows you how corrupt the sport is though when Whyte was guranteed a shot at the title but Povetlin wont be.
Taylor could now become the first person to hold all 4 major belts in two divisions amd also the first to hold them simultaneously if she beats MacCaskill again.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2020, 11:08:11 PM
Glad to see Whyte beat, slabbering for weeks about Fury when he should have been focused on Povetkin. Shows you how corrupt the sport is though when Whyte was guranteed a shot at the title but Povetlin wont be.
Taylor could now become the first person to hold all 4 major belts in two divisions amd also the first to hold them simultaneously if she beats MacCaskill again.
Povetkin has failed that many drug tests it could be argued he shouldn't ever be allowed in the ring again, let alone fight for a title.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2020, 11:08:11 PM
Glad to see Whyte beat, slabbering for weeks about Fury when he should have been focused on Povetkin. Shows you how corrupt the sport is though when Whyte was guranteed a shot at the title but Povetlin wont be.
Taylor could now become the first person to hold all 4 major belts in two divisions amd also the first to hold them simultaneously if she beats MacCaskill again.
Povetkin has failed that many drug tests it could be argued he shouldn't ever be allowed in the ring again, let alone fight for a title.
Sure Whyte's no better
Quote from: gallsman on August 22, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
No problem with 96-94 but 98-93 a bit wide. Either of them could have been given it. KT with the skills and better boxing as always, Persoon with unbelievable pressure and volume.
I thought it was a draw to be honest but I can see how it is hard to score a fighter like Persoon who throws 100 punches, hitting nothing but air with 90 of them. The fact Taylor went toe to toe in the last minute of the last round would tell you her corner were far from certain of victory. 98-93 was a bit off alright I thought.
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Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 24, 2020, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 23, 2020, 11:08:11 PM
Glad to see Whyte beat, slabbering for weeks about Fury when he should have been focused on Povetkin. Shows you how corrupt the sport is though when Whyte was guranteed a shot at the title but Povetlin wont be.
Taylor could now become the first person to hold all 4 major belts in two divisions amd also the first to hold them simultaneously if she beats MacCaskill again.
Povetkin has failed that many drug tests it could be argued he shouldn't ever be allowed in the ring again, let alone fight for a title.
Sure Whyte's no better
Well yeah, fair enough point I suppose. Sad that so many top level athletes are there with the help of chemicals really.
Seems quite the mess between McGuigan and Frampton.
Not sure Frampton as an adult has much of a chance of winning on the basis he was duped into signing a contract, but maybe he does.
Just listened to the RTÉ news report there and it seems Frampton got a right going over by McGuigan's lawyer, even admitting on the stand that he underdeclared income on his tax returns to reduce his tax liability!
I hope it isn't the case that Carl, after perhaps getting duped by McGuigan is now getting rightly duped by his own lawyer for taking this case.
Is this not always the way though. Next it'll be mcguigan on the stand and they'll tear into him too. Seems very naive of Frampton to sign everything without even reading them
I used to be fans of the McGuigans, but there seems something very suspicious about the lot of them in relation to Frampton. Given McGuigans own history with Eastwood, you would have expected a bit more from him.
Young and naive... Christ you remember those days?
What secondary education level lad will read it Or understand a very complex contract?
Unless you've employed a sports contact type lawyer (cost a fortune) to go over it in detail then you're snookered
A very popular and successful Irish boxing legend promises you that you'll be a world champion, you concentrate on the boxing and I'll sort out the business
McGuigan has history with being the poor me when chasing money off Eastwood, history now repeating itself it seems.
No one will come out of this well other than barristers and lawyers. The McGuigan family ran the show and whole family on the payroll.
Boxers don't make that much, even the successful ones, unless you're heavyweights, if I was a betting man I'd say Carl will have a better chance, but will be out of pocket
The consensus does seem to be frampton has been had here though as you say no one will come out of this well.
It is a messy one for sure.
The whole family on the payroll along with continuous business class flights for family members coming out of Framptons pocket shows he signed something he had no clue about.
His testimony yesterday where he was called to be a liar (and will continue to be shown to be a liar) will be very damaging however you would think Frampton's lawyer has the info to do a number on McGuigan and make him look equally if not worse.
More talk of a new division between CW and HW when there is a bigger need for one between LH and CW.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 10, 2020, 07:59:18 PM
The consensus does seem to be frampton has been had here though as you say no one will come out of this well.
Frampton getting hammered over his links to MTK / Kinahan by accounts. Looks like they are trying to implode him from the inside rather than actually try and get him deported back to Ireland...on whatever charges.
Watch True North last night, last night episode followed boxers who had finished their career's and what they had to show for it and dealing with not being involved, Brian and Eamon Magee, Ryan Burnett and, Tyrone McKenna
I've known Eamon a brave few years, the odd drink with him back in the day, mainly battled with him a school level and club level when he played a bit.. Last night he looked like a very old man, beat mentally and physically, lots of troubles he's brought on himself no doubt, other troubles brought to his door, is there something wrong with the Irish sporting talents that we implode?
What I hope it highlights to a lot of people is that the money you make in boxing is limited and for some just about minimum wage when stretched out over the year, Brian Magee fought a bit longer to generate enough money to open a business, Ryan Burnett made just enough to do the same and pay off house.
Makes you wonder where all the money goes
Promoters I suspect. Magee a troubled soul (Eamon) and I suspect a lot moreso since what happened with his son too.
Real pity for Burnett with his career cut so short. You'd have to imagine it must be very difficult for those guys.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
Promoters I suspect. Magee a troubled soul (Eamon) and I suspect a lot moreso since what happened with his son too.
Real pity for Burnett with his career cut so short. You'd have to imagine it must be very difficult for those guys.
It said that a boxer starting out gets around £2k from say a 4 rounder with the manager taking up to a 25% cut of that and the fighter lucky to take half of that purse home with him once everything is paid out. It's the managers and promotors making the money as you say.
Did Magee (Eamonn) mention he had been a millionaire?
Quote from: tintin25 on September 22, 2020, 10:30:11 AM
Did Magee (Eamonn) mention he had been a millionaire?
Yes, I heard that at the start, was probably paid a million but not sure how much of that he got himself, that is another story....
Would Magee have got that much money considering the level he fought at? Why was McKenna on the show, he is still active? Burnett's case is pretty sad in a way, could have been Irelands most successful boxer if it wasnt for the injury.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 22, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
Would Magee have got that much money considering the level he fought at? Why was McKenna on the show, he is still active? Burnett's case is pretty sad in a way, could have been Irelands most successful boxer if it wasnt for the injury.
Not sure, during those days there was some money about for those fights with Hatton and so on..
McKenna's was more of an insight into a journey man's path and how he was dealing with time away from family, the uncertainty of it all and his dreams.. was well put together in fairness
Good show and an interesting insight however I felt it could have been longer.
Looking at 3 different fighters in a short 30min odd show just wasnt enough.
Mind you after reading E Magee's book the man could have a feature length documentary on his career inside and outside the ring
Anyone watch the Tyrone McKenna-Ohara Davies fight? Davies got the decision. Poor fight don't think either of them would bother the top fighters in the division.
Quote from: square_ball on September 30, 2020, 10:51:22 PM
Anyone watch the Tyrone McKenna-Ohara Davies fight? Davies got the decision. Poor fight don't think either of them would bother the top fighters in the division.
Yea I watched it and I agree. Mckenna very messy style and hard to watch, Davies was supposed to be the next big thing a few years ago but glad he got the head bate off him and quit against Josh taylor after all his mouthing. He'll be nowhere in this division too.
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Quote from: square_ball on September 30, 2020, 10:51:22 PM
Anyone watch the Tyrone McKenna-Ohara Davies fight? Davies got the decision. Poor fight don't think either of them would bother the top fighters in the division.
Yea I watched it and I agree. Mckenna very messy style and hard to watch, Davies was supposed to be the next big thing a few years ago but glad he got the head bate off him and quit against Josh taylor after all his mouthing. He'll be nowhere in this division too.
Both domestic level fighters, but at least Davies has a bit of power, McKenna has pillow fists.
I like McKenna but was disappointed in him last night. If he'd have been a little bit more aggressive and threw a few more shots he would have got the decision imo. Domestic/European is his ceiling and Davies isn't much better for all his talk. Imagine the job Taylor would do on Davies now.
I am just happy it wasnt a draw - dont think I could have sat through that again.
Result could have went either way in fairness however, while I like McKenna, he can have no complaints after the result of the semi final
I like McKenna too, did you see his latest promo video?
unfortunately for him, he's a journey man fighter, and will feature in build up fights and that's about that. As someone mentioned he's got pillow fists, not that I'd like to stand there and take them but to a hardened boxer he'll not make much head way
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2020, 12:12:57 PM
I like McKenna too, did you see his latest promo video?
Was very good - seems like a man would be great craic to have a pint with
Genuine super fight this weekend, definitely one that's worth staying up for.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 12, 2020, 11:50:23 PM
Genuine super fight this weekend, definitely one that's worth staying up for.
I agree, any opportunity we get to see him is worth staying up for. Pity it's not on Tv.
Loma will go down as one of the best boxers of all time. It's such a shame he isn't as big a box office "star" as others because of the lack of "big names" at his weight and being eastern European, his lack of english etc etc.
But in my opinion, one of the most skillful boxers i have ever seen and will likely ever see, don't know much about Lopez but i expect Loma to dance round him all night and take an easy W.
Be hard to make an argument for anyone against Lomachenko, he's actually frightening and at this stage the aura of him is nearly mythical.
If he spoke english as GiveItToTheShooters points out he would be on Floyd Mayweather level of fame.
I just wish Lomachenko was 5 years younger, not going to be a round too much longer but his performances haven't dipped yet at least. I see a few trying to say he showed weaknesses against Campbell but I felt he just schooled him without going near top gear. When you look at what Lomachenko did to two undefeated p4p fighters in Walters and Rigondeaux, it really shows how special he is. I always felt RJJ was the best I'd seen but I would probably have to give the nod to Lomachenko now, he just does things that you have never saw before.
Fight is in Eir for anyone who has it, legitimately or otherwise.
Fancy another Loma masterclass to be honest. He makes fighters as good as Lopez look like novices.
Don't understand that from Loma at all. Appeared surprised that Lopez was big and fast and he left it way to make before he started working.
Lopez thoroughly deserving but he hardly had to work for that at all. Was basically given a headstart of 7 rounds.
Well well well. WTF. Lomachenko's game plan was all wrong. Not sure what he was doing for 2/3 of that fight. Left it far too late.
Surprising!! From this recent era Floyd is still the best for me. That wasn't great from Loma.
How do you delete posts lads :o
Bizzare from Lomanchenko, injured?
Full fight -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX9ci7NAPT0
Watched it again there and I have Lopez winning by an even bigger margin second time around.
Terry O'Connor is in trouble with the British Boxing Board. Never mind the horrendous scoring last night he was also on the phone during the fight!
I see Conlan is finally fighting someone who will hit back, be interesting to see how he does.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 23, 2020, 04:43:55 PM
I see Conlan is finally fighting someone who will hit back, be interesting to see how he does.
I hope he's the sort of fighter who gets better when he fights better opposition. I haven't been overly impressed with Conlon so far. He seems to lack the power punch that most top pros have. Would love to see him become a proper boxing star
Conlan still has work to do to reach the top but I'm not sure Dogboe is the quality opposition he needs right now.
Quote from: Take_her_back_ref on October 24, 2020, 09:27:18 AM
Conlan still has work to do to reach the top but I'm not sure Dogboe is the quality opposition he needs right now.
Won't matter now as he's done his foot in while training!
Some exciting fights coming up - Usyk Chisora tomorrow, Santa Cruz Davis tomorrow too, Dubois Joyce in a few weeks, Whyte Povetkin too, Fury, Joshua, Crawford Brook soon also. Be interesting to see what Joshua is like after the Ruiz loss, will he be the same fighter or not?
Last couple of minutes of this interview means I hope Chisora gets knocks out tomorrow night
https://youtu.be/ellqkVsXLFE
Quote from: square_ball on October 30, 2020, 10:15:29 PM
Last couple of minutes of this interview means I hope Chisora gets knocks out tomorrow night
https://youtu.be/ellqkVsXLFE
I think Chisora wins pretty handy (in light of my Lomachenko prediction a few weekends ago).
You'll get your wish now ;)
Quote from: square_ball on October 30, 2020, 10:15:29 PM
Last couple of minutes of this interview means I hope Chisora gets knocks out tomorrow night
https://youtu.be/ellqkVsXLFE
I watched that yesterday, just turned on Kugan in an instant, I actually thought he was messing. Wouldn't be surprised to see Chisora win, but if I was putting money on it I would pick Usyk to edge this, maybe even by late stoppage.
I'd be massively surprised if this is anything other than a comprehensive win for Usyk. Chisora is a very limited boxer and I expect Usyk not to get drawn into a war and pick him apart like he did to Bellew and like Fury did to Chisora in the past,
Absolutely no need for this fight to be this late.
This not fairly even? Usky slightly ahead for me. But surprised at how close
Just as I say that! Big finish to that round from Usyk
Quote from: HiMucker on October 31, 2020, 11:36:42 PM
Just as I say that! Big finish to that round from Usyk
Decent scrap but Usyk isn't coping with the main men!!
Good fight, Usyk the clear winner but he's just going to be too small to mix it with the best up there. A real shame as he's a fabulous boxer.
Decent enough fight. Usyk comfortable enough winner Chisora never hurt him at any point. Sky bias on the other hand 🙄
I'd love to see Usyk dominate the heavyweights but size looks to be the problem.
Anyone see the Davis KO of Santa Cruz? Brutal uppercut. It was lights out before he hit the canvas.
Good win for Tommy Mc Carthy last night.
Quote from: square_ball on November 01, 2020, 08:53:41 AM
Decent enough fight. Usyk comfortable enough winner Chisora never hurt him at any point. Sky bias on the other hand 🙄
I'd love to see Usyk dominate the heavyweights but size looks to be the problem.
Anyone see the Davis KO of Santa Cruz? Brutal uppercut. It was lights out before he hit the canvas.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikecoppinger/status/1322819613038727168?prefetchtimestamp=1604226929463
Frampton v McGuigan case settled - all confidential.
Seems the settlement has come about after 10k emails were found on McGuigans compute that had previously thought deleted.
I had read somewhere though that Framptons solicitor had not wanted the emails included in the court case.
Strange
Quote from: Taylor on November 12, 2020, 11:39:24 AM
Frampton v McGuigan case settled - all confidential.
Seems the settlement has come about after 10k emails were found on McGuigans compute that had previously thought deleted.
I had read somewhere though that Framptons solicitor had not wanted the emails included in the court case.
Strange
Yeah I thought I read that too, both parties I assume will class it as a "win"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54879937
Hope Frampton gets well compensated out of it.
Barry McGuigan is an absolute tosser.
Frampton has said he is very happy with the outcome.
10k deleted emails to 'free up space' sounded dodgy and now they have been recovered (and some gone through) the case is finished.
Some waste of money paying solicitors
What a bunch of crooks. That's ridiculous.
Was hoping to find out more soon enough... embarrassing stuff
I imagine it'll be tied up in terms of what can be said. It's both hilarious and disgusting at the same time
Sounds like McGuigan was found out you'd have thought he'd know better after what happened with Eastwood.
I like Frampton glad he got sorted!
That'll be the McGuigans/Cyclone done with promoting I would think. Now that Josh Taylor has gone too have they any one of note left in their stable? Who in their right mind would even sign for them?
Dunno if they do promoting now. Shane coaches Okolie, Fowler, Campbell and a few others but think they are maybe ties to Matchroom.
Quote from: square_ball on November 13, 2020, 10:35:04 AM
That'll be the McGuigans/Cyclone done with promoting I would think. Now that Josh Taylor has gone too have they any one of note left in their stable? Who in their right mind would even sign for them?
I am sure there would be takers but would they be of quality? I think it has been said before, but Shane should cut ties. He seems to be a talented enough coach in his own right.
Shane is a top quality trainer. Interestingly he was announced as trainer and manager of Fowler but there was no mention of Cyclone, Barry or any of the brothers. Maybe he's cutting links with them in case a Frampton/Taylor fallout happens again.
Would agree that Shane is a quality trainer who would do much better without the Cyclone baggage.
Problem is now he will be continually associated with them unless he comes out and publicly splits.
Has wee Barry declared himself bankrupt yet so that Frampton doesnt get a penny?
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
What a role model.
Best Irish athlete of all time ?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
Gutierrez is a tough cookie! Got the feeling Taylor eased off toward the end as she knew she might have to seriously hurt her to stop the fight,
Quote from: 6th sam on November 14, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
What a role model.
Best Irish athlete of all time ?
No. It's not elite sport with a small pool of opponents.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 12:06:41 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 14, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
What a role model.
Best Irish athlete of all time ?
No. It's not elite sport with a small pool of opponents.
Yeah she's up there though. McIlroy probably still the best.
Mcilroy with a shit load more talent than Harrington has one more major than him and tbh I don't know where the next is coming from. How can mcilroy be the greatest Irish sportsman when he doesn't even claim to be Irish sometimes. He can go and f**k himself
Roy Keane is. And I'm no Roy Keane fan. But he was at an ultimate elite level for a years as captain of Utd. Soccer biggest sport in world and in 99 was arguably most influential player in world.
Finding this hard to rank, loads of GAA athletes to consider as well. KT Taylor is up there with the all time greats of Irish sport. She is absolutely amazing. Anyone remotely involved in boxing at any level will know how special she is, a once in a generation athlete who has transcended the sport. She has moved women's boxing, she has moved boxing to a different level.
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2020, 01:05:45 AM
Finding this hard to rank, loads of GAA athletes to consider as well. KT Taylor is up there with the all time greats of Irish sport. She is absolutely amazing. Anyone remotely involved in boxing at any level will know how special she is, a once in a generation athlete who has transcended the sport. She has moved women's boxing, she has moved boxing to a different level.
Being top dog in a minority sport doesn't make her the best Irish athlete or even part of the conversation. Some lads on here falling over themselves to appear politically correct. McIlroy is mixing it with the best in one of the biggest sports in the world - simply no comparison with women's boxing.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 15, 2020, 01:29:41 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2020, 01:05:45 AM
Finding this hard to rank, loads of GAA athletes to consider as well. KT Taylor is up there with the all time greats of Irish sport. She is absolutely amazing. Anyone remotely involved in boxing at any level will know how special she is, a once in a generation athlete who has transcended the sport. She has moved women's boxing, she has moved boxing to a different level.
Being top dog in a minority sport doesn't make her the best Irish athlete or even part of the conversation. Some lads on here falling over themselves to appear politically correct. McIlroy is mixing it with the best in one of the biggest sports in the world - simply no comparison with women's boxing.
Tony I agree with you re McIlroy. If I had to pick a sport to be top of the world it would be golf Class life style. Totally agree with other posters sentiments that anyone within the top 30 maybe 50 could Win it. Really is top class. The real deal. I just think in years To come people will look back at kt and think WOW.! Like people watch womens tennis now on a par with men's (well it was as good) and appreciate the skill the craft and think thats what it's about
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Quote from: 6th sam on November 14, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
What a role model.
Best Irish athlete of all time ?
Without a doubt.
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Quote from: 6th sam on November 14, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 14, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
Pure dominance by Katie Taylor tonight. Gutierrez delighted to last 10 rounds.
What a role model.
Best Irish athlete of all time ?
Without a doubt.
Yes, by far.
No other Irish sportsperson comes anywhere close to what she's achieved.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 15, 2020, 01:29:41 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2020, 01:05:45 AM
Finding this hard to rank, loads of GAA athletes to consider as well. KT Taylor is up there with the all time greats of Irish sport. She is absolutely amazing. Anyone remotely involved in boxing at any level will know how special she is, a once in a generation athlete who has transcended the sport. She has moved women's boxing, she has moved boxing to a different level.
Being top dog in a minority sport doesn't make her the best Irish athlete or even part of the conversation. Some lads on here falling over themselves to appear politically correct. McIlroy is mixing it with the best in one of the biggest sports in the world - simply no comparison with women's boxing.
McIlroy definitely ahead of Taylor.
Katie's achievements are fantastic her level of professionalism is second to none and outside the sport she's been and continues to be a brilliant role model for kids, girls and the sport.
Unfortunately for me it's still a not big enough sport to say best Irish athlete all time, that's not her fault and maybe looking back in ten years I'd probably change my mind.
What about McGregor or does being a sc**bag rule him out?
Quote from: JimStynes on November 15, 2020, 10:02:00 AM
What about McGregor or does being a sc**bag rule him out?
Again a minority sport that was still in its infancy when he dominated. Taylor has beaten everyone and McGregor has been roundly beaten in his prime by Khabib Diaz and Mayweather!
I think Katie Taylor's achievements have been fantastic and she's fantastic and she'll always be in the conversation of the best ever sportsperson I just don't think she's the number 1!
She's not finished either looking forward to her fighting a bit more quality in the next few years but that was extremely impressive last night.
Katie Taylor, Roy Keane, Henry shefflin and possibly few others all ahead of Mcilroy for me.
And this is when it descends into stupidity
It's probably going to go down to personal choice and interpretation of what the greatest actually is. You could make a shout for Katie Taylor, Roy Keane, AP McCoy, McIlroy, McGregor etc. Katie Taylor has been nearly unbeatable for years in a fairly new sport, whereas the likes of McGregor is a global superstar and the first 2 weight world champion and pay per view star. Then the likes of AP McCoy who was at the top of his game for a long long time. McIlroy is also a global superstar but hasn't exactly fulfilled the promise that his early part of his career threatened to do but still has 4 majors and will hopefully go on to add another few onto his list.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 15, 2020, 01:29:41 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2020, 01:05:45 AM
Finding this hard to rank, loads of GAA athletes to consider as well. KT Taylor is up there with the all time greats of Irish sport. She is absolutely amazing. Anyone remotely involved in boxing at any level will know how special she is, a once in a generation athlete who has transcended the sport. She has moved women's boxing, she has moved boxing to a different level.
Being top dog in a minority sport doesn't make her the best Irish athlete or even part of the conversation. Some lads on here falling over themselves to appear politically correct. McIlroy is mixing it with the best in one of the biggest sports in the world - simply no comparison with women's boxing.
How is golf one of the biggest sports in the world? From a commercial perspective at the top level, absolutely. In terms of number of participants? Not a chance.
Quote from: JimStynes on November 15, 2020, 10:59:56 AM
It's probably going to go down to personal choice and interpretation of what the greatest actually is. You could make a shout for Katie Taylor, Roy Keane, AP McCoy, McIlroy, McGregor etc. Katie Taylor has been nearly unbeatable for years in a fairly new sport, whereas the likes of McGregor is a global superstar and the first 2 weight world champion and pay per view star. Then the likes of AP McCoy who was at the top of his game for a long long time. McIlroy is also a global superstar but hasn't exactly fulfilled the promise that his early part of his career threatened to do but still has 4 majors and will hopefully go on to add another few onto his list.
1) McGregor's sport is newer than Taylor's
2) McGregor isn't part of the GOAT conversation in his sport
3) He wasn't the first two weight world champion.
4) He wasn't the first PPV star
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 15, 2020, 10:59:56 AM
It's probably going to go down to personal choice and interpretation of what the greatest actually is. You could make a shout for Katie Taylor, Roy Keane, AP McCoy, McIlroy, McGregor etc. Katie Taylor has been nearly unbeatable for years in a fairly new sport, whereas the likes of McGregor is a global superstar and the first 2 weight world champion and pay per view star. Then the likes of AP McCoy who was at the top of his game for a long long time. McIlroy is also a global superstar but hasn't exactly fulfilled the promise that his early part of his career threatened to do but still has 4 majors and will hopefully go on to add another few onto his list.
1) McGregor's sport is newer than Taylor's
2) McGregor isn't part of the GOAT conversation in his sport
3) He wasn't the first two weight world champion.
4) He wasn't the first PPV star
McGregor was the biggest star and probably still one of the biggest stars in UFC and MMA. Can't deny that. He is a complete p***k but he was very good. I didn't say he was the GOAT in his sport either. And if you're going by that as a way to measure who the greatest Irish sports person is then it rules out most of the names on anyones list. It's only really AP McCoy and Katie Taylor left.
There are other sportsmen that people don't include like Stephen Roach who was massive in the cycling world but no one cares about cycling here so he's never really mentioned. A lot of people will say the like of Brian O'Driscoll but Rugby is a minority sport. There's only about 6 nations who are any use at it.
Quote from: gallsman on November 15, 2020, 11:12:41 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 15, 2020, 01:29:41 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2020, 01:05:45 AM
Finding this hard to rank, loads of GAA athletes to consider as well. KT Taylor is up there with the all time greats of Irish sport. She is absolutely amazing. Anyone remotely involved in boxing at any level will know how special she is, a once in a generation athlete who has transcended the sport. She has moved women's boxing, she has moved boxing to a different level.
Being top dog in a minority sport doesn't make her the best Irish athlete or even part of the conversation. Some lads on here falling over themselves to appear politically correct. McIlroy is mixing it with the best in one of the biggest sports in the world - simply no comparison with women's boxing.
How is golf one of the biggest sports in the world? From a commercial perspective at the top level, absolutely. In terms of number of participants? Not a chance.
Could say the same about boxing. Boxing participation numbers are hardly massive. It is a world wide sport like golf though.
As I said earlier, this is all about opinions and perception of what the greatest means. It would be a debate that no on would ever 100% agree on.
I haven't said anything about boxing, I'm merely contesting absolute statements made by you and Tony.
Is golf a worldwide sport? Huge numbers in Africa? China? India? Golf is an elitist sport that 99% of the world's population will never have access to.
Does that disqualify McIlroy from potentially being the best Irish sportsman ever? Not at all. Same logic for Taylor, Shefflin etc.
A quick look on google shows Europe has 4.4 million registered golfers.
Over 2 million in Uk playing soccer
And roughly 300,000 playing GAA in Ireland (second to soccer)
Boxing in the uk has 755,000 boxing in clubs
There's only one global sport really, and being top of that tree would assume the best
So well done Roy
Personally I find Women's boxing abit boring due to the lack of knockouts
Quote from: tintin25 on November 15, 2020, 12:39:36 PM
Personally I find Women's boxing abit boring due to the lack of knockouts
I beg to differ
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Im away to knock one out
:o
This could be an interesting fight if it happens.
Canelo Alvarez 🇲🇽 (53-1-2, 36 KO's) has agreed a fight with unbeaten British Callum Smith 🇬🇧 (27-0, 19 KO's) to unify the WBA Super Middleweight world titles in Texas in December.
Source - ESPN
Smith v Canelo, be interesting to see both men properly challenged. Smith has as much a chance as anybody has versus Canelo.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 17, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
Smith v Canelo, be interesting to see both men properly challenged. Smith has as much a chance as anybody has versus Canelo.
Which is to say not much unfortunately. I'd thought for a while that a Super Middle fight against Smith would really test him but the power he showed against Kovalev removed any doubt for me about how it would go.
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2020, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 17, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
Smith v Canelo, be interesting to see both men properly challenged. Smith has as much a chance as anybody has versus Canelo.
Which is to say not much unfortunately. I'd thought for a while that a Super Middle fight against Smith would really test him but the power he showed against Kovalev removed any doubt for me about how it would go.
Kovalev was on the slide though, but he was impressive in how he dealt with Kovalevs best punches and his power was enough to knock Kovalev out so late in the fight.
I watched Wilder speak earlier and he finally seems focused on fighting someone else in January. I wonder if the supposed mediation has happened in the US yet though?
Good fight but very disappointed in Dubois there!!
Doesn't look like he has the minerals...
Decent fight but Joyce has no business near Fury or AJ. His size might keep him competitive Vs Usyk.
Dubois is a quitter, that cant be changed. He was never dragged out of his comfort zone until tonight and he couldn't hack it. Similar to Joshua, with doubts still remaining over whether he is the same fighter as he was before losing to Ruiz.
The scorecards were actually shocking. I had Joyce ahead yet won of the judges had Dubois winning most rounds.
Quote from: gallsman on November 28, 2020, 11:59:44 PM
Decent fight but Joyce has no business near Fury or AJ. His size might keep him competitive Vs Usyk.
Agreed he is nowhere near the level of AJ or Fury. I don't even think he would get close to Usyk either. He is far too slow and cumbersome and Usyk would dance around him all night.
I want to see illdecide V Angelo next!!
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2020, 11:00:17 AM
I want to see illdecide V Angelo next!!
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Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Dubois is a quitter, that cant be changed. He was never dragged out of his comfort zone until tonight and he couldn't hack it. Similar to Joshua, with doubts still remaining over whether he is the same fighter as he was before losing to Ruiz.
The scorecards were actually shocking. I had Joyce ahead yet won of the judges had Dubois winning most rounds.
Roberto Durán says hi.
Dubois ain't no Roberto Durán though.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Dubois is a quitter, that cant be changed. He was never dragged out of his comfort zone until tonight and he couldn't hack it. Similar to Joshua, with doubts still remaining over whether he is the same fighter as he was before losing to Ruiz.
The scorecards were actually shocking. I had Joyce ahead yet won of the judges had Dubois winning most rounds.
There really wasn't much in it but Dubois had more power punches.
Yes Joyce jabbed the head off him and he caught the eye flush and kept picking it off but he wasn't dominating the whole fight I could see how Dubois was ahead.
Apparently he's got a broken eye socket and some nerve damage. Worrying the way he left the fight but he has time to rectify it and come back.
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Dubois is a quitter, that cant be changed. He was never dragged out of his comfort zone until tonight and he couldn't hack it. Similar to Joshua, with doubts still remaining over whether he is the same fighter as he was before losing to Ruiz.
The scorecards were actually shocking. I had Joyce ahead yet won of the judges had Dubois winning most rounds.
There really wasn't much in it but Dubois had more power punches.
Yes Joyce jabbed the head off him and he caught the eye flush and kept picking it off but he wasn't dominating the whole fight I could see how Dubois was ahead.
Apparently he's got a broken eye socket and some nerve damage. Worrying the way he left the fight but he has time to rectify it and come back.
Exactly, there wasn't much in it hence why that one scorecard is shocking, no way that Dubois won most of the rounds. As for Dubois going forward, the one thing that is hard to change is your ability to keep going when its getting tough. He had it all his own way so far and was never hurt etc, but come his first experience with being hurt he quits on his knee. Once a quitter always a quitter. His aura wont be the same either, opponents will be sencouraged as they know that he can be broke.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 30, 2020, 08:23:39 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Dubois is a quitter, that cant be changed. He was never dragged out of his comfort zone until tonight and he couldn't hack it. Similar to Joshua, with doubts still remaining over whether he is the same fighter as he was before losing to Ruiz.
The scorecards were actually shocking. I had Joyce ahead yet won of the judges had Dubois winning most rounds.
There really wasn't much in it but Dubois had more power punches.
Yes Joyce jabbed the head off him and he caught the eye flush and kept picking it off but he wasn't dominating the whole fight I could see how Dubois was ahead.
Apparently he's got a broken eye socket and some nerve damage. Worrying the way he left the fight but he has time to rectify it and come back.
Exactly, there wasn't much in it hence why that one scorecard is shocking, no way that Dubois won most of the rounds. As for Dubois going forward, the one thing that is hard to change is your ability to keep going when its getting tough. He had it all his own way so far and was never hurt etc, but come his first experience with being hurt he quits on his knee. Once a quitter always a quitter. His aura wont be the same either, opponents will be sencouraged as they know that he can be broke.
This simply isn't true. Durán. Vitali Klitschko. Erik Morales. Miguel Cotto. All of them came back after fight in which they quit.
Anyone sitting on the sidelines giving a guy with a fractured eye socket grief for not wanting to fight on needs to have a word with themselves.
Quote from: gallsman on November 30, 2020, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 30, 2020, 08:23:39 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 29, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Dubois is a quitter, that cant be changed. He was never dragged out of his comfort zone until tonight and he couldn't hack it. Similar to Joshua, with doubts still remaining over whether he is the same fighter as he was before losing to Ruiz.
The scorecards were actually shocking. I had Joyce ahead yet won of the judges had Dubois winning most rounds.
There really wasn't much in it but Dubois had more power punches.
Yes Joyce jabbed the head off him and he caught the eye flush and kept picking it off but he wasn't dominating the whole fight I could see how Dubois was ahead.
Apparently he's got a broken eye socket and some nerve damage. Worrying the way he left the fight but he has time to rectify it and come back.
Exactly, there wasn't much in it hence why that one scorecard is shocking, no way that Dubois won most of the rounds. As for Dubois going forward, the one thing that is hard to change is your ability to keep going when its getting tough. He had it all his own way so far and was never hurt etc, but come his first experience with being hurt he quits on his knee. Once a quitter always a quitter. His aura wont be the same either, opponents will be sencouraged as they know that he can be broke.
This simply isn't true. Durán. Vitali Klitschko. Erik Morales. Miguel Cotto. All of them came back after fight in which they quit.
Anyone sitting on the sidelines giving a guy with a fractured eye socket grief for not wanting to fight on needs to have a word with themselves.
100% agree, look at Kell Brook - both his eye sockets fractured and has effectively ended his career.
He's a quitter. End of.
Should be doing dancing or something, boxing isnt for him.
Wouldn't normally but ponied up 25 quid for fight tonight, hopefully its entertaining.
People still pay for stuff like this :o
Somebody has to.
Looking forward to it. Be interesting to see if Joshua is the same fighter he was before the defeat.
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2020, 09:06:17 PM
Somebody has to.
Is right in fairness ;D
I'll qualify it by saying I'm astonished that people who frequent somewhere like this is still paying!!
Fool.getyourself iptv.
Can see Pulev taking aj here
Quote from: Boycey on December 12, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
People still pay for stuff like this :o
All they are getting is a scrambled intermittent picture by the sounds of twitter!
Quote from: Boycey on December 12, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
People still pay for stuff like this :o
Cause there is so much more on offer currently.
Pulev could win, but you would expect Joshua to win if he can show he is the old AJ. Also, Pulev isn't a big puncher and it will be interesting to see if Pulev can take AJs power.
Seen more punches at an underage match than in 1st round.
I enjoyed that your man was game but a good performance from AJ!
Quote from: screenexile on December 12, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
I enjoyed that your man was game but a good performance from AJ!
Good fight. A seriously tough nut but Joshua was a level above. That 3rd Rd, as good as I've seen Joshua.
Can read nothing into that. Yer man is 40 next year and seemed happy enough at the end.
fury beats joshua i would think, pure sky hype
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on December 12, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
fury beats joshua i would think, pure sky hype
Why would they not hype it? Its the fight everyone wants to see. Joshua v impressive tonight against a tough man. That 3rd round was seriously impressive. Hagleresque, Joshua couldn't miss! Fury won't be near as open though.
Quote from: JoG2 on December 13, 2020, 12:00:55 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on December 12, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
fury beats joshua i would think, pure sky hype
Why would they not hype it? Its the fight everyone wants to see. Joshua v impressive tonight against a tough man. That 3rd round was seriously impressive. Hagleresque, Joshua couldn't miss! Fury won't be near as open though.
haha he couldn't miss against a 40 year old journeyman. comparing him to hagler is ridiculous ::). fury will beat joshua easy on points, aj is not a boxer as ruiz proved
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on December 13, 2020, 12:15:49 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 13, 2020, 12:00:55 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on December 12, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
fury beats joshua i would think, pure sky hype
Why would they not hype it? Its the fight everyone wants to see. Joshua v impressive tonight against a tough man. That 3rd round was seriously impressive. Hagleresque, Joshua couldn't miss! Fury won't be near as open though.
haha he couldn't miss against a 40 year old journeyman. comparing him to hagler is ridiculous ::). fury will beat joshua easy on points, aj is not a boxer as ruiz proved
Decent record for a journey man. I compared 1 x Joshua rd to Hagler ie Joshua couldn't miss in the 3rd. Pretty much every punch landed. Hagler was famed for it.
Hagleresque ffs! Joshua missed plenty in the 3rd round. If that's as good as you've seen him, you've not been watching him much. Wild and uncontrolled once he was hurt, to the extent that Pulev got out of a round and fought on when he should have been flat on his back. He threw triple uppercuts multiple times in the fight. Fury will laugh at that.
"Good record for a journeyman." The man is a 39 year old who had previously had one world title fight, which he lost. He was in there giving up a huge size and reach disadvantage. He was meant to be cannon fodder. Joshua did what he was supposed to do and nothing more.
Fury will start a significant favourite, and rightly so.
Fury will stop Joshua. Joshua usually dictates the pace but on the occasions he hasn't he has been shown to tire pretty quickly.
If you take out Wilder and Klitschko who has Fury fought ? I appreciate they are two of the best around at that time but if you look at his fights before and in between they were all complete bums.
AJ has found all the number 1 contenders ( of which Pulev was ) and beat them all other than Ruiz. Has Fury fought anyone of the stature of Parker, Povetkin or White.
Could you even name the fighters Fury has fought other than Klitschko and Wilder?
Joshua has fought a higher standard of opponent constantly. But Furys wins over Klitschko and Wilder trump any of Joshua's wins.
Fury beat Klitschko by dancing around the ring for 12 rounds, AJ knocked him out !
Fury completely outclassed Klitschko by out boxing him from round 1 to 12. Klitschko could barely lay a glove on Fury. Compare that to an older and inactive version of Klitschko who nearly knocked Joshua out.
Oddschecker has it 4/7 Fury, 7/4 AJ.
The twittersphere would certainly have you thinking Fury just has to turn up.
AJ has to improve tactically to beat Fury and I think he can definitely do that, he might have to get in a coach specifically for him. It'll be 50/50 imo because so much will be on the line, it will be one of the biggest fights ever.
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 13, 2020, 12:47:36 PM
Fury beat Klitschko by dancing around the ring for 12 rounds, AJ knocked him out !
Fury beat him by outclassing him with superior boxing skills.
I wouldn't dispute that but how many fights of Fury out of 31 has been against top 5 rank opponents? I would suggest 3 including 2 against Wilder. David Price would beat the opponents he faced on his comeback ffs.
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 13, 2020, 03:09:23 PM
I wouldn't dispute that but how many fights of Fury out of 31 has been against top 5 rank opponents? I would suggest 3 including 2 against Wilder. David Price would beat the opponents he faced on his comeback ffs.
Who is top 5 firstly?
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 13, 2020, 12:47:36 PM
Fury beat Klitschko by dancing around the ring for 12 rounds, AJ knocked him out !
Lololol. This is an appalling take. Fury utterly bamboozled and outboxed a 10 year champion in his own back yard. AJ beat the same guy having been floored by him after he should have been finished.
Bottom line is Fury didn't have the power to take him out, AJ did. If he catches Fury he will do the same.
BTW why do u have to be so condescending in everything u say. Do u believe ur the fountain of all knowledge on boxing and if someone says something that u don't agree with then they are obviously wrong?
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 13, 2020, 03:41:14 PM
Bottom line is Fury didn't have the power to take him out, AJ did. If he catches Fury he will do the same.
BTW why do u have to be so condescending in everything u say. Do u believe ur the fountain of all knowledge on boxing and if someone says something that u don't agree with then they are obviously wrong?
It's heavyweight boxing. 90% of the them have the power to knock the other one out as Ruiz did to Joshua. Joshua will need to try and knock fury out. If it's a boxing match there will only be one winner.
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 13, 2020, 03:41:14 PM
Bottom line is Fury didn't have the power to take him out, AJ did. If he catches Fury he will do the same.
BTW why do u have to be so condescending in everything u say. Do u believe ur the fountain of all knowledge on boxing and if someone says something that u don't agree with then they are obviously wrong?
If, that's a very big if, Fury's a much better mover and better than anyone AJ has faced. Wilder couldn't ko fury, though he almost did first time around. Fury's got 100% confidence in his game, to my mind AJ doesn't after his defeat, that doesn't leave in a hurry, the mark of a defeat like that.
We will see, you could be right but I think Fury is so highly rated based on beating a past his peak Klitschko and a one dimensional Wilder.
Look I don't believe by any means that AJ will definitely win but I do think it's more of a 50/50 fight than some on here would want u to believe. AJ won an Olympic gold and has a great jab so he can obviously box. I also think he will have little fear of Fury's lack of real top level power so he won't be as conservative as he has been in some of his recent fights.
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I wouldn't dispute that but how many fights of Fury out of 31 has been against top 5 rank opponents? I would suggest 3 including 2 against Wilder. David Price would beat the opponents he faced on his comeback ffs.
Who is top 5 firstly?
White, Parker, Povetkin. Even the likes of Takem and Breazeale are of a higher quality than many of Fury's opponents. Am I right in saying that Fury has never actually defended a world title ?
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Quote from: whitegoodman on December 13, 2020, 03:09:23 PM
I wouldn't dispute that but how many fights of Fury out of 31 has been against top 5 rank opponents? I would suggest 3 including 2 against Wilder. David Price would beat the opponents he faced on his comeback ffs.
Who is top 5 firstly?
White, Parker, Povetkin. Even the likes of Takem and Breazeale are of a higher quality than many of Fury's opponents. Am I right in saying that Fury has never actually defended a world title ?
Fury schooled Klitschko and there is nothing to suggest that Klitschko was past his peak. Joshua has fought more top 10 fighters, but that doesnt mean anything. Fury has two bigger wins than AJ. Povetkin, Whyte and Parker are all decent but nothing special. Joshua is a brilliant fighter too but doesnt have the fitness, punch resistance or skills that Fury does. As said earlier, Joshua likes to dictate the pace, once the tempo is upped he gases. He still looked a but hesitant last night and also gave up against Ruiz which isn't a good sign.
The opposition was awful, albeit too brave for his own good, but GGG looked good last night. Third fight against Canelo, who fights tonight, still very much a possibility.
Quote from: gallsman on December 19, 2020, 07:55:11 AM
The opposition was awful, albeit too brave for his own good, but GGG looked good last night. Third fight against Canelo, who fights tonight, still very much a possibility.
Canelo timed the fight perfect when GGG was just on the slide. Interesting fight tonight with the size difference but Canelo should still win handy enough.
Canelo is class. Completely dominating Smith here.
Quote from: BennyHarp on December 20, 2020, 05:19:36 AM
Canelo is class. Completely dominating Smith here.
Just too good
Dominant performance again from Canelo
Absolute beat down. Canelo just walked through everything knowing it couldn't hurt him and ripped off some really vicious shots. If you kept watching the broadcast after the interviews, you could see on the way back to the dressing room that Smith has a horribly swollen left arm from catching heavy right hands all night.
Not much was expected from Smith but getting out jabbed, by double figures, by a guy 7 inches shorter than you is crazy.
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2020, 05:52:59 AM
Absolute beat down. Canelo just walked through everything knowing it couldn't hurt him and ripped off some really vicious shots. If you kept watching the broadcast after the interviews, you could see on the way back to the dressing room that Smith has a horribly swollen left arm from catching heavy right hands all night.
Not much was expected from Smith but getting out jabbed, by double figures, by a guy 7 inches shorter than you is crazy.
Detached bicep was mentioned on DAZN
Canelo is a beast
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
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Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
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Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
Think it was well reported at one time that Canelo failed a drugs test and blamed it on contaminated meat (horse? Or did I dream that one up!?)
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on December 20, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on December 20, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
Think it was well reported at one time that Canelo failed a drugs test and blamed it on contaminated meat (horse? Or did I dream that one up!?)
Yeah it was. I mean it seems to have been swept under the carpet tho. Bellew did allude to it in a tweet after the fight
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Quote from: screenexile on December 20, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
Think it was well reported at one time that Canelo failed a drugs test and blamed it on contaminated meat (horse? Or did I dream that one up!?)
Yeah it was. I mean it seems to have been swept under the carpet tho. Bellew did allude to it in a tweet after the fight
Yeah defo strange....
Perhaps it because he's a major cash cow (or horse or whatever....)
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 20, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
He served a drugs ban ffs! The second GGG fight was delayed because of it.
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 20, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
You're missing my point here. Most people who come back from bans or failed tests always have it referred to. Not so with Canelo. FWIW I think he is a brilliant boxer and deserves the P4P accolades
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
He served a drugs ban ffs! The second GGG fight was delayed because of it.
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 20, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
He served a drugs ban ffs! The second GGG fight was delayed because of it.
He's obviously a drug cheat then....maybe they all are...like the Armstrong years....if you believe Armstrong....
Anyone know what Fury's problem with Sports personality of the year ?
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 20, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
Anyone know what Fury's problem with Sports personality of the year ?
When he got nominated in 2015 there was a fairly decent attempt at cancelling him because of misogyny and homophobic comments he made in an interview.
He calls himself the People's Champion so he didn't want the hassle of that shit coming up again and ruining his image so just wanted to stay out of it as far as I can see. He's a talented boxer and a charismatic guy but he is also a member of the traveller community where these kinds of views are fairly standard I'd say so it's not exactly surprising.
I think he has a bit more experience now though and I doubt he'll be making those kinds of comments in public again.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Canelo is a beast
That's what happens when you eat a lot of contaminated beef!!
He is a phenomenal boxer but y'know what's the point??!!
Barring Bellew I haven't seen anyone refer to this
He served a drugs ban ffs! The second GGG fight was delayed because of it.
He's obviously a drug cheat then....maybe they all are...like the Armstrong years....if you believe Armstrong....
I would say its a case of who isn't doping, at the very top level truth be told.
There is that ridiculous stat about the top 50 100metre recorded times in history. Every single one was set by someone who later failed a test, except Bolt. And people think he was clean?
Campbell or Garcia?
I don't know a whole lot about this Garcia fella. He's a good record and I've seen a few highlights. If Campbell loses he should maybe consider retirement. I don't see any big money fights waiting for him.
Campbell is fuckin shit. Throwing every left hand from his waist in a swing.
Garcia is highly touted, so should win this one.
What's the latest with Michael Conlan and Jason Quigley? Both careers seem to be moving along very slowly, with both records littered with low quality fighters.
Cracking fight, Garcia really tested. He's the real deal but still very rough around the edges and really needs to improve his footwork. Going near Lopez or Tank Davis would be a bit much at this stage. However, he recovered well from the knockdown and put away a guy who has never been stopped
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 02, 2021, 11:53:50 PM
Campbell is fuckin shit. Throwing every left hand from his waist in a swing.
Loses a split decision to Linares and goes the distance with Loma. But yes, he's "fuckin shit".
That division is probably the hottest in boxing at the minute with Lopez, Lomachenko, Garcia, Tank and Haney. Talk though is of Lomachenko going back to 130 and Lopez moving up.
Lopez has a big frame on him and will be well suited to 140 where a Mikey Garcia fight would be huge. Maybe even Josh Taylor. Probably eyeing Spence and Crawford at 147 as well, but Garcia himself got a bad beating going up against Spence too soon.
Lopez- Davis would be a massive fight.
There's a lot of talk of Tennyson-Linares. Linares is on the slide and would really have to sweat to get down to 135 these days but if he was to win that, Tennyson should get a fight against one of the big guns. He'd have a chance against the Garcia that was on show tonight, if only for a few rounds.
Quote from: gallsman on January 03, 2021, 12:09:06 AM
Cracking fight, Garcia really tested. He's the real deal but still very rough around the edges and really needs to improve his footwork. Going near Lopez or Tank Davis would be a bit much at this stage. However, he recovered well from the knockdown and put away a guy who has never been stopped
Wasn't tested at all. It was one-way traffic apart from a flash knockdown. Won every round other than that one.
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 02, 2021, 11:53:50 PM
Campbell is fuckin shit. Throwing every left hand from his waist in a swing.
Loses a split decision to Linares and goes the distance with Loma. But yes, he's "fuckin shit".
Yes
Quote from: gallsman on January 03, 2021, 12:10:05 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 02, 2021, 11:53:50 PM
Campbell is fuckin shit. Throwing every left hand from his waist in a swing.
Loses a split decision to Linares and goes the distance with Loma. But yes, he's "fuckin shit".
It's the modern world. Win and you're the best ever - lose against a world class opponent and you're 'fuckin shit'. It's the same in every sport in our social media world. Campbell is the best name on Garcia's record by a mile.
Frampton-Herring confirmed for London at the end of February.
Panarama, Bbc1 tonight at 9pm
Investigating Daniel kinahans involvement in Boxing. Should be interesting. Just putting it out there
Quote from: God14 on February 01, 2021, 06:12:16 PM
Panarama, Bbc1 tonight at 9pm
Investigating Daniel kinahans involvement in Boxing. Should be interesting. Just putting it out there
Will be interesting to see what the fall out is from this.
Usual journalists really pushing this but it seems to be falling on a deaf ear from those at the top of the chain.
MTK really are a mammoth player in boxing now
Boxing will be full of denials about knowing the full extent of his involvement in MTK.
A nothing show really - just seemed to rehash others stories and pull it together.
Is it just all about the €€€€€ for the boxers and they dont give a shite were it comes from?
Wee Barry would have come across very admirable if he hadnt just had to pay out millions in court recently because he was shafting his boxers :o
In fairness there was nothing new in it for an Irish audience. It was more for the UK market where Kinahan would barely be known by anyone.
Quote from: Taylor on February 02, 2021, 08:01:52 AM
A nothing show really - just seemed to rehash others stories and pull it together.
Is it just all about the €€€€€ for the boxers and they dont give a shite were it comes from?
Wee Barry would have come across very admirable if he hadnt just had to pay out millions in court recently because he was shafting his boxers :o
I'm not convinced now that he was shafting his boxers. He was never going to be able to offer them the same terms as MTK for obvious reasons
If he wasn't then how come the Frampton court case turned out the way it did?
If you watched Panorama last night and are slagging McGuigan before Kinahan then I'm not quite sure
Quote from: toby47 on February 02, 2021, 09:09:08 AM
If you watched Panorama last night and are slagging McGuigan before Kinahan then I'm not quite sure
McGuigan getting more abuse than Kinahan on Twitter last night sums it all up really.
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A nothing show really - just seemed to rehash others stories and pull it together.
Is it just all about the €€€€€ for the boxers and they dont give a shite were it comes from?
Wee Barry would have come across very admirable if he hadnt just had to pay out millions in court recently because he was shafting his boxers :o
I'm not convinced now that he was shafting his boxers. He was never going to be able to offer them the same terms as MTK for obvious reasons
There was a court case that was settled out of court after 10k emails which had been deleted by the McGuigans were found - that tells you all you need to know.
And not to miss the main point of the show - do boxers not give a shite where their money comes from?
Given how many boxers MTK have on their books (and many of them from here) it would seem it is all about the coin and nothing to do with integrity
Not much chance of a bank asking a professional sportsman or woman where their cash came from.....
I enjoyed the documentary but yes, there wasn't anything new in it really. Nothing will change from it either in my opinion. Nobody seems to care where the money comes from... sky, BT, ESPN, Hearn, Warren. It doesn't matter as long as they are all getting theirs too.
Boxing has been dirty for as long as Boxing has been going on with a blind eye turned to it. I don't really see too much changing either truth be told.
It does look like Kinahans days are numbered, but not for anything he's done in the boxing world, do we turn a blind eye because he's Irish? It seems surreal one of the biggest players, certainly in Europe if not the world is one of our own.
Saunders really is a tr**p after his latest social media posts. An out and out sc**bag.
Absolutely vile. As low as it gets.
It's despicable and all to predictable. The boxing authorities need to step in.
What's he done now?
Quote from: JimStynes on February 03, 2021, 08:31:00 PM
What's he done now?
Making daughter jokes on instagram... never had much class that lad!
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Quote from: JimStynes on February 03, 2021, 08:31:00 PM
What's he done now?
Making daughter jokes on instagram... never had much class that lad!
I saw that but thought nothing of it. Surely that's not a sick sort of dig at McGuigan?
Saunders an absolute sc**bag and knows exactly what he was at. Not his first rodeo either.
And cause he has a potential big fight coming up, the interested parties will turn a blind eye.
Of course it is. His social media has been centered on McGuigan since Monday night. The sc**bag doesn't even have a daughter. It's blatantly obvious that's what he is getting at.
What a sc**bag. I can't believe someone would stoop so low. I hope canelo pulls out and he misses his big payday.
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2021, 08:59:14 PM
Of course it is. His social media has been centered on McGuigan since Monday night. The sc**bag doesn't even have a daughter. It's blatantly obvious that's what he is getting at.
I think he does have a daughter?
Quote from: JimStynes on February 03, 2021, 08:54:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 03, 2021, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 03, 2021, 08:31:00 PM
What's he done now?
Making daughter jokes on instagram... never had much class that lad!
I saw that but thought nothing of it. Surely that's not a sick sort of dig at McGuigan?
He had also posted about McGuigan being a rat. Woukd be hard to prove BJS was posting about McGuigans daughter but, to me at least, it's pretty obvious
Quote from: JimStynes on February 03, 2021, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2021, 08:59:14 PM
Of course it is. His social media has been centered on McGuigan since Monday night. The sc**bag doesn't even have a daughter. It's blatantly obvious that's what he is getting at.
I think he does have a daughter?
He does yeah
Quote from: JimStynes on February 03, 2021, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2021, 08:59:14 PM
Of course it is. His social media has been centered on McGuigan since Monday night. The sc**bag doesn't even have a daughter. It's blatantly obvious that's what he is getting at.
I think he does have a daughter?
Ah fair enough he may have then. Seen on Twitter someone say he didn't have one.
Kieran Cunningham a good follow on twitter regarding this.
Fcuk me what a sc**bag
He on the defensive anyway as expected.
Posting screen shots of conversations with florists.
BJS knew exactly what he was at. Throwing rotten digs at McGuigan but being open ended enough that he could deny it was about him.
Had pictures up of a rat as well calling it Barry so I think it's fairly obvious what he was at with the daughter Instagram's.
As some of the comments above have said BJS never had any class. The video that went about of him a few years ago mocking the homeless person was disgusting not to mention his video a few months ago teaching men how to hit a woman just a couple of examples of this.
Hopefully Canelo knocks him senseless in a few months time.
The thing is, Saunders has a good chance of beating Canelo. But if I were a betting man, I'd imagine Canelo would find a way to win.
What fighter was McGuigan referring to on that show, the one that left him?
Was it not 5 or so that have left him?
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 04, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
The thing is, Saunders has a good chance of beating Canelo. But if I were a betting man, I'd imagine Canelo would find a way to win.
What fighter was McGuigan referring to on that show, the one that left him?
Conrad Cummings and Josh Taylor were two.
It was a mutual split with the McGuigans according to Cummings statement at the time. Whether Barry was including him in one of the 5 poached by MTK I'm not sure. His career was going nowhere under Cyclone and in fact has got a lot worse since then. Not even sure if he still boxes. He wasn't going to make Cyclone money like Taylor or Frampton did so I'd say they didn't lose any sleep over that one.
Conrad Cummings should just give it up as a bad job. He was turning into a punchbag.
There have been a few that have left Cylcone and went to MTK, was looking to see if anybody knew who he was on about. I think Marco McCullagh, Jamie Conlan, Lee McGregor, Cummings, Frampton and even your doll Cameron have all left. Its hard to understand what each company does in boxing though, you have managers and promoters, and management and promotional organisations yet Cyclone was supposedly a promotional body only and what exactly is MTKs role - are they promoters or simply managers? Take Fury for example, he doesnt seem to be promoted by MTK, he is handled by Queensberry and Top Rank. So if you leave Cyclone for example, and go to MTK, are they your promoter or manager?
Seems to be an awful lot of layers in boxing mgt.
When DK seems to have found a niche is been a fixer. Often you'll have two camps tied down to different TV and PPV deals. They'll not box as neither can agree on terms. He'll come in the middle and negotiate with both sides to agree the deal and share of rights and keep both sides happy. He can present best to all sides without them seen to be losing face. It's a macho sport.
Also if MTK are putting on so many shows, they have more opportunities to place their fighters in the ring and give them pay days. Less hurdles to over come. They get promoters, venues, TV companies all onside and give them what they want.
For what is suppose to a simple sport which boils down to 2 men/women getting into the ring, it takes an awful lot to get to that point and why the big fights are nortorious slow to happen. AJ V Fury is far from sealed yet as its effectively Sky Box Office V BT Box Office over exclusive rights and how that is to be sorted out is anyone's guess.
MTK (Ex MGM) is a training facility first and foremost.....they have obviously then branched out to Management and Promotion.
I suppose every fighter under their banner as such will have different needs, the higher up you are the less likely you are to be 'fully controlled' by MTK....as you have your reputation already etc.
Fury is with MTK purely in an advisory role....your guess is as good as mine as to what that actually involves (whereas Carl Frampton started off something similar and is now fully managed by MTK). How payment works etc but that is maybe another thing altogether. I believe it came out in the Frampton v McGuigan case Frampton doesn't even pay MTK so this is where it starts to get very murky for that company.
Yeah, what started as Macklins Gym in Marbella has expanded massively into a one stop shop for boxers. They have moved to us now and have a massive stable of fighters who will have different level of needs with them.
They getting so many fighters it's becoming a cartel. ;)
Or the best way to wash your money, if you needed that sort of thing :-X
That's a serious accusation! ;D
Especially when they seem to be doing it for free.
The sport of boxing in Ireland is fcuked. Conlan for example was one of the brightest prospects in world boxing never mind in Ireland but unfortunately he will always be associated with MTK and for that reason he will never get the support of the Irish public that his talents deserve. At one stage he could have hoped to become a peoples champion after calling out corruption on live TV during the Rio Olympics. However, dangle a financial carrot in front of some of these boxers and all of a sudden they are inside a world that they will find it almost impossible to back out of. I do wonder if deep down they have some regrets, in some cases it is difficult to fault the individual boxers for taking the money but anyone from Ireland would need to be living under a stone not to be aware of the implications. The silence from the boxing community (both fighters and the media) in Ireland in recent days tells you a lot.
You don't get a lot of money in Boxing, relatively speaking in sports....
Hard to turn down that massive chunk of cash ready to be lodged in the bank with no questions asked because you are a professional athlete.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 04, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
You don't get a lot of money in Boxing, relatively speaking in sports....
Hard to turn down that massive chunk of cash ready to be lodged in the bank with no questions asked because you are a professional athlete.
The only real money for boxing is Middle weight and Heavy weight, the other weights find it difficult to hit the big time
Quote from: yellowcard on February 04, 2021, 03:58:08 PM
The sport of boxing in Ireland is fcuked. Conlan for example was one of the brightest prospects in world boxing never mind in Ireland but unfortunately he will always be associated with MTK and for that reason he will never get the support of the Irish public that his talents deserve. At one stage he could have hoped to become a peoples champion after calling out corruption on live TV during the Rio Olympics. However, dangle a financial carrot in front of some of these boxers and all of a sudden they are inside a world that they will find it almost impossible to back out of. I do wonder if deep down they have some regrets, in some cases it is difficult to fault the individual boxers for taking the money but anyone from Ireland would need to be living under a stone not to be aware of the implications. The silence from the boxing community (both fighters and the media) in Ireland in recent days tells you a lot.
Conlan's brother is one of the top execs in MTK.
Do boxing fans actually care about Kinahan? Would a fair few not be customers of his anyway?
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 04, 2021, 03:58:08 PM
The sport of boxing in Ireland is fcuked. Conlan for example was one of the brightest prospects in world boxing never mind in Ireland but unfortunately he will always be associated with MTK and for that reason he will never get the support of the Irish public that his talents deserve. At one stage he could have hoped to become a peoples champion after calling out corruption on live TV during the Rio Olympics. However, dangle a financial carrot in front of some of these boxers and all of a sudden they are inside a world that they will find it almost impossible to back out of. I do wonder if deep down they have some regrets, in some cases it is difficult to fault the individual boxers for taking the money but anyone from Ireland would need to be living under a stone not to be aware of the implications. The silence from the boxing community (both fighters and the media) in Ireland in recent days tells you a lot.
Conlan's brother is one of the top execs in MTK.
Yes, there is absolutely no question that Conlan wasn't aware of what he was getting into. It begs the question as to whether anyone in Irish boxing is looking out for the best welfare of these boxers, many of whom are coming from difficult backgrounds. Or is it simply a race to the bottom. Most of them simply take the cash which ultimately buys their loyalty when really all they are is pawns in a game of sports washing. Unfortunately I don't think this will end well for them.
Conlans progress has been pretty slow to be honest. I know he is in line for a shot at Fulton next, but on the whole he seems to have been managed pretty poorly and is getting on a bit when you look at the prime ages of boxers in the lower weight classes. Its been nearly 5 years since his last amateur fight and you only have to look at the progress some other Rio fighters have made in the pro ranks in the same time.
Conlan has never been "one of the brightest prospects in world boxing". Being an amateur world champion doesn't automatically confer that status on you. His pro career has been underwhelming from the very beginning.
Look at the trajectories and start power of the likes of Lopez, Davis and Ryan Garcia at lightweight, all of whom are years younger than him, or someone like Shakur Stevenson at Conlan's weight. Conlan's nowhere near their level.
I've often thought about this, even for the club I support.
Do the City players care about the owners alleged human rights digressions or are they just happy to lift the ££££.
Similar to the boxers I suppose however because this is closer to home it has more attention
Quote from: Taylor on February 05, 2021, 07:45:08 AM
I've often thought about this, even for the club I support.
Do the City players care about the owners alleged human rights digressions or are they just happy to lift the ££££.
Similar to the boxers I suppose however because this is closer to home it has more attention
Playing devils advocate somewhat, why should they care I suppose? What business is it of Sergio Aguero or Kevin De Bruyne what happens in a country they probably couldn't even point out to you where it was on the map? They are footballers, not politicians I suppose.
Boxing is a tough, lonely sport. I can see how some of those guys get seduced by the money. Like I said, Boxing has always been dirty and it's a short, potentially life threatening career path.....why would you not fill your boots if you aren't doing anything overly "bad"?
I'm not saying I agree with it, but if someone gives you 500k in cash to put in your bank and you give them back 400k once its in....that's 100k for walking it through the door. A boxer wouldn't care about that.
I'm surprised Frampton moved to MTK, he always seemed like a decent fella to me in interviews and I even met him briefly once in the days before the Kiko Martinez fight. I just genuinely think it's easy enough for Boxers to justify their actions (in their minds) because of the nature of their sport.
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I've often thought about this, even for the club I support.
Do the City players care about the owners alleged human rights digressions or are they just happy to lift the ££££.
Similar to the boxers I suppose however because this is closer to home it has more attention
Playing devils advocate somewhat, why should they care I suppose? What business is it of Sergio Aguero or Kevin De Bruyne what happens in a country they probably couldn't even point out to you where it was on the map? They are footballers, not politicians I suppose.
Boxing is a tough, lonely sport. I can see how some of those guys get seduced by the money. Like I said, Boxing has always been dirty and it's a short, potentially life threatening career path.....why would you not fill your boots if you aren't doing anything overly "bad"?
I'm not saying I agree with it, but if someone gives you 500k in cash to put in your bank and you give them back 400k once its in....that's 100k for walking it through the door. A boxer wouldn't care about that.
I'm surprised Frampton moved to MTK, he always seemed like a decent fella to me in interviews and I even met him briefly once in the days before the Kiko Martinez fight. I just genuinely think it's easy enough for Boxers to justify their actions (in their minds) because of the nature of their sport.
Agree on the Frampton part - surprised he went although who knows how what his finances were like before he got the ruling in the McGuigan case.
Point I am making is that it is easy to take pot shots at boxers for going with MTK - as you say short & dangerous careers so they need to make as much as they can and get out.
Anyway it isnt the boxers that are causing the issues.
On your point about Aguero & KDB not being politicians - boxers arent the law so why should they care about what Kinahan does?
How many other sportspeople are involved with clubs/management companies/countries etc who would be involved in illegal activities?
What Kinahan does is of no relevance really to them, to be honest.
It's not their problem, they are sportsmen and women. The more tuned in probably know deep down what they are doing is helping sports washing, some of the rest, Billy Joe and the likes probably just think Kinahan loves them for their talent, or that he saved them in some way, some maybe just don't care and love the money.
Anybody in professional sports is somewhat detached from reality, look at the amount of premier league players have been caught drink driving, or Covid Breaches and the likes. Money to them solves a lot of their problems....it shouldn't be the way of it, but it is.
Agree with all of that.
Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem
Quote from: Taylor on February 05, 2021, 10:23:28 AM
Agree with all of that.
Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem
They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.
The analogy with football fails. The owners are vetted and clubs finances are audited. We can discuss what they vet for, bit comparisons between Arab princes and cartels are fatuous
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
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Quote from: Taylor on February 05, 2021, 10:23:28 AM
Agree with all of that.
Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem
They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.
The analogy with football fails. The owners are vetted and clubs finances are audited. We can discuss what they vet for, bit comparisons between Arab princes and cartels are fatuous
MTK I believe, without any evidence, just on following various people who have more insight than I do....they actually cover one of the boxers single biggest expenses also, their fight camp / preparation.
I think this, more than anything else we might have heard or being told brings people under their banner - it's really hard to say no to that, with those type of training partners. It's kind of domino like, considering the sole nature of the sport....once one goes, the other will go.....especially if they have trained together prior.
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Quote from: Taylor on February 05, 2021, 10:23:28 AM
Agree with all of that.
Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem
They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.
The analogy with football fails. The owners are vetted and clubs finances are audited. We can discuss what they vet for, bit comparisons between Arab princes and cartels are fatuous
MTK I believe, without any evidence, just on following various people who have more insight than I do....they actually cover one of the boxers single biggest expenses also, their fight camp / preparation.
I think this, more than anything else we might have heard or being told brings people under their banner - it's really hard to say no to that, with those type of training partners. It's kind of domino like, considering the sole nature of the sport....once one goes, the other will go.....especially if they have trained together prior.
Fine. But that great deal is funded by drugs and guns and the boxers know it. The idea that they are above criticism for accepting blood money is ludicrous
Oh they aren't above criticism, that's the least they should expect, especially considering its pretty much an open secret.
The question was do they care? I would have guessed not.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case
Quote from: JimStynes on February 05, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case
Not at all, the settlement is undisclosed and I think it was more of a benefit to both if I'm reading between the lines ...
If I had a million tomorrow it be spent bey the end of the month !
Quote from: JimStynes on February 05, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case
Frampton is a millionaire, don't think that is up for debate. He is bound o have earned close to 2 million for the 2 Santa Cruz fights alone.
As for the footballers or boxers caring about where their money comes from, to be honest, if I were in their shoes I wouldn't care either.
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Quote from: JimStynes on February 05, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case
Not at all, the settlement is undisclosed and I think it was more of a benefit to both if I'm reading between the lines ...
If I had a million tomorrow it be spent bey the end of the month !
Surely frampton would have earned millions from his big fights? I can't see any other Irish boxers earning anywhere near what he has though.
Quote from: JimStynes on February 05, 2021, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 05, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case
Not at all, the settlement is undisclosed and I think it was more of a benefit to both if I'm reading between the lines ...
If I had a million tomorrow it be spent bey the end of the month !
Surely frampton would have earned millions from his big fights? I can't see any other Irish boxers earning anywhere near what he has though.
I think this is where the whole court case came from. I had heard he had feck all left from the purse after McGuigan took his share and then Carl had to pay tax on the whole amount from what he had got left with.
The boxers through history have been treated very badly money wise by management companies, who weren't doing anyone any good but themselves. MTK has came in and gave them an unbelievably good deal in comparison. The nature of a boxing career means they'll more than likely take that and ignore the stuff behind it. That's some way understandable - the shite they put on twitter and Instagram after the show the other night wasn't. But it's not surprising when you read what they were saying about covid etc over the last yeay
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 05, 2021, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 05, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
It's very simple, which promoter is going to give you a title shot and with it that, a life changing 'pot of gold'
I've known Carl over 20 years, from amateur fights to his first professional fight as an undercard for a Duddy fight, he's not as rich as people think, in fact nowhere near it. He's comfortable but he's worked seriously hard for it.
The McGuigan thing has left him very bitter against a family that treated him as part of their family. Only to be shafted. I personally seen how they got on so well with each other and whatever happened, as I only know bits and pieces as I don't want to be nosey has changed him
He's bound to be a millionaire now after the court case
Frampton is a millionaire, don't think that is up for debate. He is bound o have earned close to 2 million for the 2 Santa Cruz fights alone.
As for the footballers or boxers caring about where their money comes from, to be honest, if I were in their shoes I wouldn't care either.
That's just not true, the money earned on the Santa Cruz fights was absorbed through the various needs of the management ..
Flights (first class) whole family and management
Accommodation 5 star
Training camps
Promotion
Advertising
Wages
I could go on as there were other things that the money was spent on, after fight parties 'free' booze
None of which was spent from Barry's pocket
Panorama team threatened after boxing programme tother night - cant copy and past but on bbc website
I see Amir Khan has come out in support of Kinihan
He really is stupid.
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?
Nrico2006 - that is exactly the type of logic he trying to portray at present and hoping it carries weight across the boxing and wider public.
The statement that Jim White had out on Talksport was vomit inducing and actually put serious heat back on boxing authorities as he linked himself to been key man in many big fights that MTK had been trying to distance himself from. White was been typical Jim White and was fawning over getting the scoop and falling for it all. Thankfully Matt Lawton of the times give some reason to the debate.
Khan, Saunders, Ben Davidson et al are really going the extra mile for him.
You do hope the chickens coming to roost for him soon enough and this extra publicity will only help to expediate it. Not a good family.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Well legally, yes. You are right, he probably should under normal circumstances be allowed to work under the presumption of "innocent until proven guilty".
But you have to imagine it's because they can't bring a case that size, against someone like that until it's completely water tight. Someone like Kinahan will have the best legal team available, money will be no object - they could and will find a loophole to bring the whole thing down easily I would say.
In Kinahans case, innocent until proven guilty is a loophole he's exploiting but everyone who has stepped foot in Dublin knows who he is and what he helped do.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 09, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?
Is he never in Ireland at all? I assumed that he was in Ireland frequently enough as there are no warrants out for his arrest. I think he was even at the Regency Hotel on the day of the shooting too.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 09, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?
Is he never in Ireland at all? I assumed that he was in Ireland frequently enough as there are no warrants out for his arrest. I think he was even at the Regency Hotel on the day of the shooting too.
Hasn't been in years. Since the regency and what followed an awful lot of heat has come on and the whole criminal process has moved substantially further along. I don't believe he leaves the Middle East now as it's several countries through Interpol who could detain him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
;D Thats a cracker lol
He's bound to Dubai/UAE until his residency runs out. There is a European Warrant for his arrest and apparently he lives with former Russian Spetsnaz bodyguards in his compound.
I think he's even been mentioned in US diplomatic cables. He has nowhere to go.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 09, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?
Is he never in Ireland at all? I assumed that he was in Ireland frequently enough as there are no warrants out for his arrest. I think he was even at the Regency Hotel on the day of the shooting too.
Read the book "The Cartel"
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 09, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?
Is he never in Ireland at all? I assumed that he was in Ireland frequently enough as there are no warrants out for his arrest. I think he was even at the Regency Hotel on the day of the shooting too.
He was the target that day.
Decent wee youtube series started on Frampton's fight...
Inside Fighting. Net Worth, Legacy & Fighting - Carl Frampton v Jamel Herring: Inside The Ropes Documentary.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on February 09, 2021, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 09, 2021, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 09, 2021, 09:24:02 AM
Khan actually really is dumb, still can't get over the Joshua accusations. As for Kinahan, I'm sure that most of what is said is true but the argumentative side of me is saying that he has been convicted of nothing and if he really is what he is accused of being, then it shouldn't be too hard to prove, yet the authorities can't.
Jesus that's some logic. Why do you think he is never in Ireland ?! Why do you think he is in Dubai, that has no extradition agreement with Ireland ?
Is he never in Ireland at all? I assumed that he was in Ireland frequently enough as there are no warrants out for his arrest. I think he was even at the Regency Hotel on the day of the shooting too.
He was the target that day.
Thats my point, he does be in Ireland and is still a free man.
He hasn't been in Ireland since 2016. He was in Spain 2017 and Dubai ever since that. The brother is there with him. They haven't left it because they can't.
The da is still in Spain I think enjoying retirement.
Huge upset there Warrington poor from the start.
How the ref didn't call it in the 4th I'll never know!
Johnny nelson for once calling it spot on. Disgrace that was allowed to continue.
Warrington was 1/25
Referee should have stepped in earlier alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Si1ino9jQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Si1ino9jQ)
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 14, 2021, 09:53:42 AM
Referee should have stepped in earlier alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Si1ino9jQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Si1ino9jQ)
In fairness he fought well enough in the 5th 6th and 7th rounds, up to the left hook in the 4th Warrington was on top.
Kiko Martinez getting shafted in the earlier fight was a great example of how boxing is so crooked in the UK. Even Eddie Hearn was going apoplectic and it was his fighter that benefited, because he knows it hinders the chances of him bringing big fights to England in the future.
Framptons fight pulled due to a slight hand injury to Frampton. Seems very unlucky with these injuries close to fights.
Was speculation in last few days that Warren had struggled to get a TV deal in US and couldn't finance the fight purse as a result and a postponement was on the cards.
Quote from: Louther on February 17, 2021, 11:21:36 PM
Framptons fight pulled due to a slight hand injury to Frampton. Seems very unlucky with these injuries close to fights.
Was speculation in last few days that Warren had struggled to get a TV deal in US and couldn't finance the fight purse as a result and a postponement was on the cards.
Think that's been 2 so far, there has been others that have been pulled by the other fighters in the past so unlucky or by design it's a lot of wasted training and commitment to a fight lost.
What's been Warrington's thoughts after his defeat? Would that have a baring on things or are they even the same weight?
Disappointing performance from Sean McComb there tonight. Was hoping he could be the next big thing for Irish boxing but not sure he'll get above British or European level on tonight's performance.
Quote from: JimStynes on February 19, 2021, 11:00:50 PM
Disappointing performance from Sean McComb there tonight. Was hoping he could be the next big thing for Irish boxing but not sure he'll get above British or European level on tonight's performance.
Another hype job who stayed in the amateurs too long. Bad form seeing him actually quit, maybe the weight drop affected him but either way it was his call. Looking forward to Clark v Marku tonight then hope to see Kelly beat.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 20, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 19, 2021, 11:00:50 PM
Disappointing performance from Sean McComb there tonight. Was hoping he could be the next big thing for Irish boxing but not sure he'll get above British or European level on tonight's performance.
Another hype job who stayed in the amateurs too long. Bad form seeing him actually quit, maybe the weight drop affected him but either way it was his call. Looking forward to Clark v Marku tonight then hope to see Kelly beat.
Not sure if we will see too much more of McComb after this. Talented enough fighter but doesn't seem to have the desire for it. He's opening up a gym in Belfast and has a new baby so his head is obviously not in it.
Josh Kelly on now
Kelly stopped! Hype job. He looked good for most of the fight too.
Quote from: JimStynes on February 20, 2021, 11:05:22 PM
Kelly stopped! Hype job. He looked good for most of the fight too.
Won most of the rounds if not all apart from the last one before he was stopped. Kelly looked good too but you could see Ava's plan to just keep in there until he slowed down. Relentless work that didn't allow Kelly any rest. Mad how quick the tide turned there.
Marku looks brilliant, watched his last fight which was as bad a decision as I have ever saw. Clark looked amazing against Laws too but looked out of his depth tonight, but showed some heart and a good chin to stick in there for as long as he did.
Looks like Billy Joe has finally got his big fight with Canelo.
Aye, was announced the other night. Mad how quickly Canelo was out again after the Smith fight. The WBC seems to have lost a lot of credibility the past few years though, as your man was their mandatory challenger yet hadn't fought in 2 years and that last fight was a loss. The 2 fights he had before that were against two fellas with nearly 50 losses between them.
Quote from: lurganblue on March 01, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
Looks like Billy Joe has finally got his big fight with Canelo.
Hope Canelo knocks him senseless....
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 01, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
Looks like Billy Joe has finally got his big fight with Canelo.
Hope Canelo knocks him senseless....
Same! An unlikeable sc**bag of a man
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 01, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
Looks like Billy Joe has finally got his big fight with Canelo.
Hope Canelo knocks him senseless....
Knockout in 6. Saunders has his payday and more importantly, he now has the legit earnings to launder some of his mates cash no questions asked.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on March 02, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 01, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
Looks like Billy Joe has finally got his big fight with Canelo.
Hope Canelo knocks him senseless....
Knockout in 6. Saunders has his payday and more importantly, he now has the legit earnings to launder some of his mates cash no questions asked.
I think it will go the 12.
Surprised no mention about the sudden death of the legend Marvin Hagler! Loved his fights. A hard hard man and a brilliant boxer.
Quote from: JimStynes on March 14, 2021, 09:52:11 PM
Surprised no mention about the sudden death of the legend Marvin Hagler! Loved his fights. A hard hard man and a brilliant boxer.
On the death notice thread
Fury v AJ fully agreed according to Eddie Hearn.
Just enough time has drifted to forget about that Kinahan fella....
Been some undeserving fighters getting mandatory shots at titles of late, between that fella Okolie beat last night to the Turk that Canelo beat.
Did BT Sport bin this Frampton fight ? Now being shown on "boxing channel" IFL Tv on YouTube, which is handily sponsored by MTK.
Panorama effect ?
I see that Channel 5 have picked up this fight. At least that's handy...
Any take on Dennis McCann? Looks very mature for a young lad and from fighting stock
Quote from: lurganblue on March 31, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
I see that Channel 5 have picked up this fight. At least that's handy...
Found it weird that BT arent showing it.
Has Framptons stock dropPed that much or is it linked to MTK
What time is the Frampton fight scheduled for on Saturday night?
I would say his stock has dropped to be honest. He might win but lets face it he hasn't had a proper fight in over 2 years and his last big victory was a while back now. Herring is big but is definitely beatable though.
Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 31, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
I see that Channel 5 have picked up this fight. At least that's handy...
Found it weird that BT arent showing it.
Has Framptons stock dropPed that much or is it linked to MTK
I don't think it's to do with that when the fight got refixed it was under a different promoter who didn't have a relationship with BT Sport which is why I don't think it happened. It being on Channel 5 will hopefully guarantee a big audience.
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Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 31, 2021, 09:06:29 AM
I see that Channel 5 have picked up this fight. At least that's handy...
Found it weird that BT arent showing it.
Has Framptons stock dropPed that much or is it linked to MTK
I don't think it's to do with that when the fight got refixed it was under a different promoter who didn't have a relationship with BT Sport which is why I don't think it happened. It being on Channel 5 will hopefully guarantee a big audience.
Why is Frank not involved with him?
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/boxing/carl-frampton-vs-jamel-herring-20241541
Quote from: JohnDenver on March 31, 2021, 10:44:41 AM
What time is the Frampton fight scheduled for on Saturday night?
Half 10 I think
Frampton 10/11 fav....
Herring at evens.
I probably would have had it the other way round.
Hope Frampton takes a complete hammering.
Used to think he was ok but lost all respect for him when he was to fat to fight in Belfast and slipped the Mexican a few quid to slip in the shower, done something similar with a broken hand in the states.
Quote from: pbat on March 31, 2021, 06:59:47 PM
Used to think he was ok but lost all respect for him when he was to fat to fight in Belfast and slipped the Mexican a few quid to slip in the shower, done something similar with a broken hand in the states.
What do you mean he did something similar with a broken hand?
Was he faking it or did he do it deliberately in your opinion?
I wouldn't be convinced it was broke, and I have seen the photos, convinced the whole ornament saga was manufactured. It was another fight he wasn't properly prepared for.
Quote from: pbat on March 31, 2021, 08:31:22 PM
I wouldn't be convinced it was broke, and I have seen the photos, convinced the whole ornament saga was manufactured. It was another fight he wasn't properly prepared for.
Manufactured like your story, have you a link to this shite talk or did you read this from Karen on fb?
"I used to like him? But then I read a story about him", from?
Quote from: pbat on March 31, 2021, 08:31:22 PM
I wouldn't be convinced it was broke, and I have seen the photos, convinced the whole ornament saga was manufactured. It was another fight he wasn't properly prepared for.
You have seen the photos?
Do you mean Frampton faked the injury and then allowed someone to take photos of his 'not injured' hand, it eventually found its way to you and this is what you are basing your opinions on?
I think it's more to do with the typical Irish attitude of someone who does well ends up being a **** in people's minds. Similar to Rory McIlroy, hated for being good at golf.
Have to say I think Frampton comes across all the time as a real likeable fella. I would find it impossible not to root for him.
Jim in right, something in us that likes to bring successful people down. I honestly couldn't say anything negative about Frampton. Good role model and represents this country as good as anybody can, especially from the perspective of both sides. This is worth a watch, only 20 odd minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J3q7vVwOE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J3q7vVwOE4)
Frampton is one the best ambassadors the North has. Pure gent and great boxer. He's the very best of us. See him the Remembering Noah T-shirt at the weigh in. Pure class.
Really looking forward to this, as Frampton is a very clever boxer I'd expect him to negate Herring's reach advantage, whether he'll be good enough to take advantage I don't know. Bookies finding it tough to split them. Love to see Frampton win but my gut feeling is Herring wins between R7-9.
Big size difference. I can't see frampton winning it. He'll really need to pull it out of the bag to win it. He's not the same boxer from 5 years ago but hopefully he has still got something there.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 02, 2021, 04:30:52 PM
Big size difference. I can't see frampton winning it. He'll really need to pull it out of the bag to win it. He's not the same boxer from 5 years ago but hopefully he has still got something there.
He's fought those taller fighters before but yes he was younger then! It's a difficult fight, I hope he comes through but if I was a betting man (and I am ;D) I'd take Herring, but heart says Carl
Surely you would get into trouble if you bet against him ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 02, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Surely you would get into trouble if you bet against him ;D
Yeah, wouldn't tell the wife!!
Herring is well put together by the looks of it, fast with the jab and his reach will keep Carl away, Carl would need to get in close.
He does a bitta show boating too, might leave him open
Quote from: trailer on April 02, 2021, 12:40:00 PM
Frampton is one the best ambassadors the North Ireland has. Pure gent and great boxer. He's the very best of us. See him the Remembering Noah T-shirt at the weigh in. Pure class.
fixed that for you
Herring hasn't really fought any top fighters though and has been beaten twice, the big thing in his favour is his size but if he does struggle to make the weight you would hope that catches up with him in the later rounds. I hope Frampton wins but if I had to put my money on it, I would go for Herring on points and mainly due to his size.
McKenna fight off, thats a rough one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 03, 2021, 11:22:33 AM
Herring hasn't really fought any top fighters though and has been beaten twice, the big thing in his favour is his size but if he does struggle to make the weight you would hope that catches up with him in the later rounds. I hope Frampton wins but if I had to put my money on it, I would go for Herring on points and mainly due to his size.
Was chatting to the father in law who's been to almost all of Carl's fights from amateur through to now, he's 50/50 on it and used the exact same reasoning as you in terms of making the weight and tiring. I countered with Carl not being as young as he was so the tiring will certainly be a two way thing.
Hopefully he'll get another pay day, if not he'll have created a decent legacy for boxing in Belfast. It's been a great journey for him and it's very difficult to generate support from both sides in this place and he's managed that to a tee.
Hard to look past the Kinahan connection for me
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Hard to look past the Kinahan connection for me
You'll find it hard to find a boxer not linked to him now. I'm sure if we were in the same position we would happily take Kinahan money.
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Hard to look past the Kinahan connection for me
You'll find it hard to find a boxer not linked to him now. I'm sure if we were in the same position we would happily take Kinahan money.
Speak for yourself Jim, it's not as if Frampton was a nobody when he hooked up with them.
If he didn't win that court case I suspect he wouldn't have had that much money to show for his career all things considered. Bound to be a factor.
This venue resembles a parish hall.
Fairly comprehensive that. Never really looked in it.
Sad way to end a career.
Frampton was a good fighter. Never great.
That will probably be the end for Frampton.
Herring just way too big and he was hurting Frampton.
Great career. Should retire now as he looked totally done there.
He confirmed post fight there that that's it. His victory over Santa Cruz was one of my favourite moments in boxing.
Frampton had said before that he'd retire if he lost and for whatever reason I actually believe it. He's done and has been for a while. Herring is a step below the best in the world around 130/135 and took him out pretty handily.
Good on Jamie Moore throwing in the towel btw.
Quote from: Angelo on April 03, 2021, 10:43:20 PM
That will probably be the end for Frampton.
Herring just way too big and he was hurting Frampton.
His wife is retiring him on twitter anyway.
Quote from: gallsman on April 03, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
Frampton had said before that he'd retire if he lost and for whatever reason I actually believe it. He's done and has been for a while. Herring is a step below the best in the world around 130/135 and took him out pretty handily.
Good on Jamie Moore throwing in the towel btw.
Herring is probably as bad a match as their is for Frampton at that weight. He has 8 inches of a reach advantage.
For me the Warrington fight was the end of Frampton as a top level fighter. He was outworked that night and hurt too often by a boxer who I'd suggest wouldn't have troubled him too much in his pomp and who wouldn't be known for having heavy hands. He's had a great career and seems a genuinely decent bloke. Best wishes to him in his retirement.
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Quote from: gallsman on April 03, 2021, 10:50:19 PM
Frampton had said before that he'd retire if he lost and for whatever reason I actually believe it. He's done and has been for a while. Herring is a step below the best in the world around 130/135 and took him out pretty handily.
Good on Jamie Moore throwing in the towel btw.
Herring is probably as bad a match as their is for Frampton at that weight. He has 8 inches of a reach advantage.
Herring is big for 130 but Frampton is also undeniably small. Imagine what the likes of Tank Davis would do to him.. He has no business there or at 125 any more. He's done. Right decision.
Herring isn't great but Frampton doesn't throw enough and his footwork isn't good enough to get in close to Herring.
Not enough spark or combinations, couldn't get close enough and when Carl tried, was caught, I said before the fight this was his biggest test, he never was able to get into a pattern that would allow him to take control.
Moving up weights will only bring you up against taller opponents, the he gangly tall ones he faced growing up we're not as strong, Herring had the strength to back up the reach difference.
Felt sorry for him and family down but not surprised but glad he's fit and well to start his new career
That channel 5 set up last night was the worst I've seen in a long time. Amateur hour.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 04, 2021, 09:48:24 AM
That channel 5 set up last night was the worst I've seen in a long time. Amateur hour.
It was embarrassing, he was reading shit off the clipboard like he was back in primary school
He definitely didn't improve under Jaime Moore, Jamie Moore. Good fighter but always felt frustrated watching him thinking he had more in tank but in reality he didn't.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2021, 12:06:55 AM
Not enough spark or combinations, couldn't get close enough and when Carl tried, was caught, I said before the fight this was his biggest test, he never was able to get into a pattern that would allow him to take control.
Moving up weights will only bring you up against taller opponents, the he gangly tall ones he faced growing up we're not as strong, Herring had the strength to back up the reach difference.
Felt sorry for him and family down but not surprised but glad he's fit and well to start his new career
It's been a difficult few years for Frampton. There's so many variables in professional boxing , it's not just about fighting ability . So much politics about getting right fights at right time, and in Frampton's case having to endure a court battle in the midst of it, it's hard to remain focussed. Almost Uniquely amongst Irish sportsmen , he was successful in crossing the divide here, and earned respect from all sides . Two fight world champion and uniting communities , some achievements, delighted he's retired with his health intact.
It's a pity things went south with the McGuigans because he maybe had another few good fights under with Shame McGuigan as his coach. He definitely fought his best with that team. Although nowhere near as good for his wallet.
Not a lot of Irish fighters out there to get you excited at the minute. Frampton is gone, Quigley's career seems to have disappeared and Conlan has not really excelled to the levels first thought. The McKenna brothers, Paddy Donovan and Kurt Walker seem to be the next prospects in line.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 07, 2021, 05:14:33 PM
Not a lot of Irish fighters out there to get you excited at the minute. Frampton is gone, Quigley's career seems to have disappeared and Conlan has not really excelled to the levels first thought. The McKenna brothers, Paddy Donovan and Kurt Walker seem to be the next prospects in line.
Joe Ward was a good amateur but his career has been stop start. Irish amateur boxing seems to be in a good place though and no doubt someone will come through in the next few years but I haven't a clue who that is going to be. Disappointed with Sean McComb so far.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on April 07, 2021, 05:14:33 PM
Not a lot of Irish fighters out there to get you excited at the minute. Frampton is gone, Quigley's career seems to have disappeared and Conlan has not really excelled to the levels first thought. The McKenna brothers, Paddy Donovan and Kurt Walker seem to be the next prospects in line.
Joe Ward was a good amateur but his career has been stop start. Irish amateur boxing seems to be in a good place though and no doubt someone will come through in the next few years but I haven't a clue who that is going to be. Disappointed with Sean McComb so far.
Forgot about Ward, he probably is the best of the lot. Watched his fight there a few weeks ago, hopefully he kicks on now.
Jake Paul pound for pound best boxer ever
I see a boy from Jordan died at the youth world championships. Very sad :(
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2021, 05:48:00 PM
I see a boy from Jordan died at the youth world championships. Very sad :(
You'd have to also feel for his opponent.
Yeah I was thinking that too. Chances of that happening are so slim and so unintentional too but he is bound to feel guilty. Very sad.
Parker and Chisora this weekend, should be nowhere near a PPV. Probably go the distance and Parker should edge it. Taylor should beat Jonas, would like to see her try and replicate what Shields has done next though as all 4 of the WW titles are still sitting with an opponent she has previously beaten (McCaskill), has to be the fight to go for.
Canelo and BJS the week after, looking forward to that one.
Edwards & Conlan fighting tomorrow night as well.
Conlan is 1/5 but I feel that is too short.
Baluta looked decent v Joyce - you have to feel its time Conlan stepped up to the mark or this talk or a World Title is pie in the sky stuff.
Edwards v Mthalane should be a great scrap - could go either way
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Edwards & Conlan fighting tomorrow night as well.
Conlan is 1/5 but I feel that is too short.
Baluta looked decent v Joyce - you have to feel its time Conlan stepped up to the mark or this talk or a World Title is pie in the sky stuff.
Edwards v Mthalane should be a great scrap - could go either way
I actually forgot about Conlan, his career so far has been based on fighting average at best fighters, hard to get excited about his fights until, as you say, he fights someone decent. He is nearly 30 and hasn't fought a decent opponent yet.
Tennyson stopped badly in the first round. Stratton was meant to be an unknown who could punch and that's exactly how it turned out.
Eubank and Hatton...juniors. Feel old?
Conlan unimpressive last night. Tennyson seems to have a bit of a glass jaw, been exposed quite a few times now.
Why does Katie Taylor constantly get involved in brawls? She's the much superior boxer and quicker hand speed so she shouldn't have to brawl with anyone.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 02, 2021, 09:37:55 AM
Why does Katie Taylor constantly get involved in brawls? She's the much superior boxer and quicker hand speed so she shouldn't have to brawl with anyone.
Sometimes you're brought down to a level and before you know it you're fighting/playing well below your best, when you win those it's shows that if you match them with fire then the skills will win through in the end.
This goes for every sport, Katie is the benchmark, everyone wants to take her titles, no easy ones, if she makes enough money she should get out at the top, though I doubt at this level her winnings would be substantial
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Quote from: JimStynes on May 02, 2021, 09:37:55 AM
Why does Katie Taylor constantly get involved in brawls? She's the much superior boxer and quicker hand speed so she shouldn't have to brawl with anyone.
Sometimes you're brought down to a level and before you know it you're fighting/playing well below your best, when you win those it's shows that if you match them with fire then the skills will win through in the end.
This goes for every sport, Katie is the benchmark, everyone wants to take her titles, no easy ones, if she makes enough money she should get out at the top, though I doubt at this level her winnings would be substantial
I would agree if it was an inexperienced boxer but she's not. I think she knows that she's the superior boxer to most people she fights so will fight whatever way they want and win anyway. It's certainly not a style of boxing that'll be good for her health down the line. What a role model she is though. Has to be up there with a select few as Ireland's best sports person ever.
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Greatest? Christ you know nothing on sports
You have to have her in the discussion but the obvious questions on talent pool and global competition have to be taken into consideration.
Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.
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Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.
Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
She a top class competitor in a minority sport. She can only deal with the competition in front of her.
Boxing in competition with boys in her youth, having a father who was a former boxer and a coach meant she had a head start on her female piers. But she still had to have the talent and the hunger to succeed.
She may not be at the top when one talks of GOAT in Irish sport, but she is in the conversation and part of the chasing bunch.
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Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.
Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
Whether or not it's a "minority sport" or not is irrelevant, her sporting achievements are unrivalled. That comment also discriminates against her because she's a female.
Yes, by far.
You're one of the clowns who think it's someone like Roy Keane or Mcilroy ;D
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Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.
Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
Whether or not it's a "minority sport" or not is irrelevant, her sporting achievements are unrivalled. That comment also discriminates against her because she's a female.
Yes, by far.
You're one of the clowns who think it's someone like Roy Keane or Mcilroy ;D
Of course it being a minority sport is a factor in the debate. What's next, that 20 time world road bowls champion Finbar O'Grady is in the running for the greatest Irish sportsperson of all time debate?
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
She a top class competitor in a minority sport. She can only deal with the competition in front of her.
Boxing in competition with boys in her youth, having a father who was a former boxer and a coach meant she had a head start on her female piers. But she still had to have the talent and the hunger to succeed.
She may not be at the top when one talks of GOAT in Irish sport, but she is in the conversation and part of the chasing bunch.
She is at the top as far as I'm concerned. Harrington probably close also but Taylor for me is everything a role model should be and is the best ever to compete at her chosen sport. Not many other Irish sportspeople can say that.
Maybe if she was from the 6 counties some would think differently...
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Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.
Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
Whether or not it's a "minority sport" or not is irrelevant, her sporting achievements are unrivalled. That comment also discriminates against her because she's a female.
Yes, by far.
You're one of the clowns who think it's someone like Roy Keane or Mcilroy ;D
Of course it being a minority sport is a factor in the debate. What's next, that 20 time world road bowls champion Finbar O'Grady is in the running for the greatest Irish sportsperson of all time debate?
Surely, 20 world titles.
Boxing isn't a "minority" sport. And if it was, the sport is irrelevant. You don't get to judge who is to be discarded from the debate because you reckon more people do one sport than another. That's an ambiguous metric. The facts are, her achievements are the best.
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Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.
Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.
Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
Whether or not it's a "minority sport" or not is irrelevant, her sporting achievements are unrivalled. That comment also discriminates against her because she's a female.
Yes, by far.
You're one of the clowns who think it's someone like Roy Keane or Mcilroy ;D
Of course it being a minority sport is a factor in the debate. What's next, that 20 time world road bowls champion Finbar O'Grady is in the running for the greatest Irish sportsperson of all time debate?
Minority sport or not. She's more well known than a lot of our top sportsmen. She's doing wonders for women's boxing just like Rhonda Rousey did for UFC at the start. I still think McIlroy is the best Irish sportsperson ever but I would definitely have Katie Taylor in the chasing pack.
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.
Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one. Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.
Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.
Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one. Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.
Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
No it isn't a minority sport. As I pointed out before, that's an ambiguous metric, because where do you draw the line. You don't get to decide what sports are above a certain number of participant threshold before it can be included in the debate.
By your logic of pointing out that she's a female, would suggest that no female can ever be included in any of these debates, as by your logic it's not worth as much or as have enough competitors compared to men's sport and therefore should be brushed off, which is ludicrous.
The facts are she has the best sporting achievements in the history of this country.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.
Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one. Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.
Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
Yeah, I mean if only she also had won say World/European and Olympic titles to back up being a good role model....
would love to know what you're key criteria is because obviously what she has won isn't enough ::)
golf, snooker, darts etc would not count imo as they do not require any physical fitness bar walking
boxing would have to be one of the most grueling disciplines so katie has to be in the discussion
our most decorated sportsperson is still michelle smith ;)
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.
Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one. Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.
Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
No it isn't a minority sport. As I pointed out before, that's an ambiguous metric, because where do you draw the line. You don't get to decide what sports are above a certain number of participant threshold before it can be included in the debate.
By your logic of pointing out that she's a female, would suggest that no female can ever be included in any of these debates, as by your logic it's not worth as much or as have enough competitors compared to men's sport and therefore should be brushed off, which is ludicrous.
The facts are she has the best sporting achievements in the history of this country.
It is a minority sport and that factors into the decision making process. Probably the same kind of reason that Paul Brady isn't in these kind of debates also, he won a load of world titles in a sport that would fall into the same bracket.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 02, 2021, 07:18:09 PM
golf, snooker, darts etc would not count imo as they do not require any physical fitness bar walking
boxing would have to be one of the most grueling disciplines so katie has to be in the discussion
our most decorated sportsperson is still michelle smith ;)
I'd love to see some of these fellas who call it a minority sport get into the ring with Katie, or any of the female boxers ;D
Katie was unfortunate that she had to wait for sports bodies to catch up. London 2012 was the first time of Women's boxing in the Olympics. Because of a lack of role models and competitions, not many females nailed their sporting hopes to the Boxing mast. Katie was the exception. You'd expect with role models like Taylor, the sport will get more participants and the standards will also rise. Talented girls today (because of Taylor) see a path and have role models.
I do believe that Katie is of a high standard, but her piers are less so.
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Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.
Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one. Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.
Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
No it isn't a minority sport. As I pointed out before, that's an ambiguous metric, because where do you draw the line. You don't get to decide what sports are above a certain number of participant threshold before it can be included in the debate.
By your logic of pointing out that she's a female, would suggest that no female can ever be included in any of these debates, as by your logic it's not worth as much or as have enough competitors compared to men's sport and therefore should be brushed off, which is ludicrous.
The facts are she has the best sporting achievements in the history of this country.
It is a minority sport and that factors into the decision making process. Probably the same kind of reason that Paul Brady isn't in these kind of debates also, he won a load of world titles in a sport that would fall into the same bracket.
I see you didn't address what I said.
Boxing isn't a minority sport, whatever "minority" is. You don't get to decide which sports have more weight over another as one may or may not have more participants. An ambiguous metric.
She's our most decorated athlete, it's that simple.
It's a minority sport because the numbers are low, boxing has been about for 100's years, and it's always been a male dominated sport, it's a bit like saying ladies football is the same as men's football in terms of Dublin men's and Cork ladies, not even close
There are only apparently around 2000 professional female boxers in the world.
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It's a minority sport because the numbers are low, boxing has been about for 100's years, and it's always been a male dominated sport, it's a bit like saying ladies football is the same as men's football in terms of Dublin men's and Cork ladies, not even close
It isn't though.
Low compared to what sports? Any evidence to back that up? It's our most successful sport on the international stage ;D
Male dominated sport is irrelevant. She's not male. Pointing that out only discriminates against her achievements, as by that logic, male achievements are worth more and females can't be counted.
Your Dublin cork analogy makes no sense either, they're both the best teams in the own competition, and is irrelevant to Katie Taylor.
There are 2000 registered female professional boxers, apparently. So it's not a minority sport? What a thicko
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There are 2000 registered female professional boxers, apparently. So it's not a minority sport? What a thicko
Huh?
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There are 2000 registered female professional boxers, apparently. So it's not a minority sport? What a thicko
It's irrelevant how many competitors there are.
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It's irrelevant how many competitors there are.
Ok, so for me Michelle Smith is the best Irish sports person Ireland has ever produced
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There are 2000 registered female professional boxers, apparently. So it's not a minority sport? What a thicko
It's irrelevant how many competitors there are.
Ok, so for me Michelle Smith is the best Irish sports person Ireland has ever produced
Ok.
Katie's achievements outweigh hers.
Weird discussion. I think we can all agree she's a phenomenal athlete and a brilliant role model why can't we just leave it there?
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Weird discussion. I think we can all agree she's a phenomenal athlete and a brilliant role model why can't we just leave it there?
+1
Good fight, Saunders did way better than expected but there was no way he was winning that fight with four to go after what had just happened.
I suppose all the hard men on this thread will be out for blood again over a guy with a broken face retiring on his stool.
Great to see as he is one horrible man
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Great to see as he is one horrible man
Yes couldn't have happened to a nicer chap.
A bit embarrassing for Saunders given how he ripped Dubois out when he lost against Joyce.
He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
Canelo dominates both Charlos and Andrade no problem, especially as he calls the shots and any fight with any of them would almost certainly be at 168. Beterbiev might ask questions because of the size, but we all thought that about Kovalev before Kovalev couldn't do anything against him and then got KOed silly.
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Canelo dominates both Charlos and Andrade no problem, especially as he calls the shots and any fight with any of them would almost certainly be at 168. Beterbiev might ask questions because of the size, but we all thought that about Kovalev before Kovalev couldn't do anything against him and then got KOed silly.
You're right about the weight, he won't go down to 160 or entertain a catchweight, they would have to come up. Betterbiev looks good but hasn't thought that many top level fighters and is no spring chicken, yet he doesn't appear to be on the slide in the way that Kovalev was hence why Canelo cherry picked as the weakest champion at 175.
Kovalev was the weakest champion and was cherry picked? Nonsense. An utter fabrication. His age isn't Canelo's fault. Beterbiev had fought nobody. Lots of people, you included, were crying here about how Kovalev was robbed against Ward.
Criticise Canelo for the steroids, sure, but he fights regularly and he fights everyone.
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Kovalev was the weakest champion and was cherry picked? Nonsense. An utter fabrication. His age isn't Canelo's fault. Beterbiev had fought nobody. Lots of people, you included, were crying here about how Kovalev was robbed against Ward.
Criticise Canelo for the steroids, sure, but he fights regularly and he fights everyone.
Kovalev was regarded as being behind both Beterbiev and Bivol at the time of the Canelo fight, with those two holding the other belts. Kovalev had definitely been on the slide with losses to Alvarez and struggling against Yarde in the fights previous to Canelo. As for Kovalez being robbed against Ward, the stoppage in the second fight was a disgrace.
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
The genius of Floyd, he knew exactly what Canelo would become.....got him on the CV early.
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Kovalev was the weakest champion and was cherry picked? Nonsense. An utter fabrication. His age isn't Canelo's fault. Beterbiev had fought nobody. Lots of people, you included, were crying here about how Kovalev was robbed against Ward.
Criticise Canelo for the steroids, sure, but he fights regularly and he fights everyone.
Kovalev was regarded as being behind both Beterbiev and Bivol at the time of the Canelo fight, with those two holding the other belts. Kovalev had definitely been on the slide with losses to Alvarez and struggling against Yarde in the fights previous to Canelo. As for Kovalez being robbed against Ward, the stoppage in the second fight was a disgrace.
He was in your hole behind the two of them. He completely dominated Alvarez up to the point of getting caught and then completely dominated him in the rematch to run by UD. Beterbiev has fought nobody. Bivol's best win is over Jean Pascal ffs. Who Kovalev best inside the distance twice. Yards had two good rounds out of ten and a bit against him
The Canelo fight was a shock when it was announced as nobody had been thinking about him at 175 at all. There was absolutely no suggestion at all of Kovalev being a soft target or that need been purposefully picked to avoid either of the other two.
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
The genius of Floyd, he knew exactly what Canelo would become.....got him on the CV early.
Canelo had already fought 40 odd times and beaten some HOF fighters by the time he got to Mayweather, so he wasn't some young fella with no experience at that stage. Mayweather was also in the latter part of his career and fighting above his weight class. And Canelo was the one who picked Mayweather, not the other way around. Prime Mayweather beats prime Canelo imo, he is just too good a boxer. The biggest stumbling block would be that Canelo is now much bigger and way above the weightclass for a Mayweather fight (possible due to all that contaminated meat he's been eating ::) )
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
The genius of Floyd, he knew exactly what Canelo would become.....got him on the CV early.
Canelo had already fought 40 odd times and beaten some HOF fighters by the time he got to Mayweather, so he wasn't some young fella with no experience at that stage. Mayweather was also in the latter part of his career and fighting above his weight class. And Canelo was the one who picked Mayweather, not the other way around. Prime Mayweather beats prime Canelo imo, he is just too good a boxer. The biggest stumbling block would be that Canelo is now much bigger and way above the weightclass for a Mayweather fight (possible due to all that contaminated meat he's been eating ::) )
Agree totally, but he still was only 22/23 finding his feet at the top level at that stage. He had beaten Shane Mosley so he was no fool, but Mayweather picked that one I think....if he had waited another 2 or 3 years, Canelo was coming into his physical peak and 3 years after that Mayweather finally decided to fight Pacman in that sham....what would have Canelo done then?
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
The genius of Floyd, he knew exactly what Canelo would become.....got him on the CV early.
Canelo had already fought 40 odd times and beaten some HOF fighters by the time he got to Mayweather, so he wasn't some young fella with no experience at that stage. Mayweather was also in the latter part of his career and fighting above his weight class. And Canelo was the one who picked Mayweather, not the other way around. Prime Mayweather beats prime Canelo imo, he is just too good a boxer. The biggest stumbling block would be that Canelo is now much bigger and way above the weightclass for a Mayweather fight (possible due to all that contaminated meat he's been eating ::) )
Agree totally, but he still was only 22/23 finding his feet at the top level at that stage. He had beaten Shane Mosley so he was no fool, but Mayweather picked that one I think....if he had waited another 2 or 3 years, Canelo was coming into his physical peak and 3 years after that Mayweather finally decided to fight Pacman in that sham....what would have Canelo done then?
Mayweather was 36 or 37 when they fought so he wasn't even in his prime but no one says he was too old to fight Canelo. When he fought Pacquaio he was more or less done and the fight was a final payday for both men i felt. Canelo and Mayweather simply met at opposite ends of their career. But as much of a dickhead Mayweather is, he is one of the greatest boxers of all time and probably would have found a way to win against most boxers. The first part of Mayweather's career is often forgotten about. He fought everyone going and beat everyone easily. And now he's fighting youtubers ffs.
Canelo cussing in broken English is something else...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4OJnyBcFO8
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
The genius of Floyd, he knew exactly what Canelo would become.....got him on the CV early.
Canelo had already fought 40 odd times and beaten some HOF fighters by the time he got to Mayweather, so he wasn't some young fella with no experience at that stage. Mayweather was also in the latter part of his career and fighting above his weight class. And Canelo was the one who picked Mayweather, not the other way around. Prime Mayweather beats prime Canelo imo, he is just too good a boxer. The biggest stumbling block would be that Canelo is now much bigger and way above the weightclass for a Mayweather fight (possible due to all that contaminated meat he's been eating ::) )
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He's just a horrible person and his wee lad is a cheeky wee f**ker too. Canelo is something else all the same. Can't see who can beat him atm. Although I did lose a bit of respect for not fighting GGG in his prime.
Aye, he lost the first GGG fight for definite though. He is brilliant but has picked his opponents well too, would love to see him fight a Charlo, Andrade or Betterbiev. Those 3 would ask questions of him.
He possibly lost both fights against GGG. He picked Mayweather and got totally schooled. I don't believe he would have beaten Mayweather at 152 catchweight at any time of his career either. Mayweather is too slick. I don't know enough about the 3 you've mentioned apart from Charlo. I don't think he stands a chance against him either.
GGG won both those fights in imo. Re Mayweather, incredible boxer, one of the best, but for the likes of Hatton, Canelo etc to have stood a chance, they needed a ref to allow them to box on the inside, not break them apart continuously
You're in trouble if you rely on the ref though. Canelo was just too young/inexperienced against Mayweather.
The genius of Floyd, he knew exactly what Canelo would become.....got him on the CV early.
Canelo had already fought 40 odd times and beaten some HOF fighters by the time he got to Mayweather, so he wasn't some young fella with no experience at that stage. Mayweather was also in the latter part of his career and fighting above his weight class. And Canelo was the one who picked Mayweather, not the other way around. Prime Mayweather beats prime Canelo imo, he is just too good a boxer. The biggest stumbling block would be that Canelo is now much bigger and way above the weightclass for a Mayweather fight (possible due to all that contaminated meat he's been eating ::) )
Agree totally, but he still was only 22/23 finding his feet at the top level at that stage. He had beaten Shane Mosley so he was no fool, but Mayweather picked that one I think....if he had waited another 2 or 3 years, Canelo was coming into his physical peak and 3 years after that Mayweather finally decided to fight Pacman in that sham....what would have Canelo done then?
Mayweather was 36 or 37 when they fought so he wasn't even in his prime but no one says he was too old to fight Canelo. When he fought Pacquaio he was more or less done and the fight was a final payday for both men i felt. Canelo and Mayweather simply met at opposite ends of their career. But as much of a dickhead Mayweather is, he is one of the greatest boxers of all time and probably would have found a way to win against most boxers. The first part of Mayweather's career is often forgotten about. He fought everyone going and beat everyone easily. And now he's fighting youtubers ffs.
Canelo only had 40 odd fights in his life at that stage and was very young, Mayweather knew that experience would beat youth at that stage.
Too much of a love in for Mayweather on here. I seriously doubt he beat any of the big 4 from the 1980's.
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Too much of a love in for Mayweather on here. I seriously doubt he beat any of the big 4 from the 1980's.
Well for one, Floyd never went as high as 160, where Hagler fought exclusively. Both Hearns and Leonard became works champions at 175, so your comparison is a bit pointless.
Would be have beaten Duran? Probably.
Duran and Beeny Leonard are the greatest light weights ever, I took either over Mayweather. These guys stepped up to Meet Hagler but if Mayweather had been around he wouldn't got in the ring with Hagler, Mayweather did go as heavy as Light Middle.
Man who began career at super-featherweight may not have fought all time great career middleweight. What an absolute schmuck.
Judge orders a third fight for Fury and Wilder throwing into doubt the August fight with Joshua
Some craic on social media between the two boys.
Looks like Fury and his team have made a mess of this one, or maybe he doesnt even want the fight.
Sick of both them to be honest, there is drawing it out for the takings, then there is drawing it out because they've no intention of actually doing it.
Looks like it's going to be a Mayweather / Pacman and happen 5 years after it should have went down.
I don't see how a judge can have such a say in the matter, Wilder missed the deadline for the third fight and that should be that. There is hardly a big demand to see them fight again. The worry is that now is that Fury gets caught by Wilder through complacency or whatever or that Usyk beats Joshua. Seems to be too much money involved for it not too happen though, you would imagine it made more sense for Wilder to take a few pound to wait and face the winner.
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Some craic on social media between the two boys.
Looks like Fury and his team have made a mess of this one, or maybe he doesnt even want the fight.
I think Fury definitely wants the fight.
It is a right pain in the hole with all this messing that goes on.
AJ v Fury & Wilder V Usyk.........winners to meet
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Some craic on social media between the two boys.
Looks like Fury and his team have made a mess of this one, or maybe he doesnt even want the fight.
I think Fury definitely wants the fight.
It is a right pain in the hole with all this messing that goes on.
AJ v Fury & Wilder V Usyk.........winners to meet
You would imagine that Fury wins in July and Joshua wins in August, then a December fight in Saudi Arabia.
Pacquiao vs Errol Spence. August 21st.
MANNY PACQUIAO WILL NEVER BE SEEN AGAIN!!!! 50 year BOXING VETERAN says PACMAN is the G.O.A.T.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxnFbKwWyE
To paraphrase... "Money Mayweather is second to Manny Pacquiao. And his undefeated record is totally insignificant and has no meaning whatsoever"
Very passionate rant there!! 8)
Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
Why would you like to see him bate?
MTK
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MTK
Not be too many boxers you'd like to see win then! Boxing is run by gangsters dating back from day zero
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
Why would you like to see him bate?
Because he's fighting a Laois man 💪 🔵⚪️🔵
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
Why would you like to see him bate?
Just the way he was going on at the press conference the other day over the 124lbs craic, acting the root when Doheny was simply explaining what happened. Good chance of Doheny beating him too, Conlan has made a career fighting 'c' level fighters.
I've no issue with MTK at all. All the fighters sing their praises too.
What channel will be broadcasting this bout? Thanks
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What channel will be broadcasting this bout? Thanks
ESPN but for us it will probably be Fite TV.
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What channel will be broadcasting this bout? Thanks
ESPN but for us it will probably be Fite TV.
Good man, I actually have ESPN!
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What channel will be broadcasting this bout? Thanks
ESPN but for us it will probably be Fite TV.
Good man, I actually have ESPN!
Does your chipped firestick work well? ;)
I have ESPN too thankfully, is the whole card on it? Would like to see McCombs fight too but he's fighting early enough on the card.
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What channel will be broadcasting this bout? Thanks
ESPN but for us it will probably be Fite TV.
Good man, I actually have ESPN!
Does your chipped firestick work well? ;)
I have ESPN too thankfully, is the whole card on it? Would like to see McCombs fight too but he's fighting early enough in the card.
It's actually legit believe it or not ;D
I have it too, but DAZN was playing up last week so subscribed to the official app.
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What channel will be broadcasting this bout? Thanks
ESPN but for us it will probably be Fite TV.
Good man, I actually have ESPN!
Does your chipped firestick work well? ;)
I have ESPN too thankfully, is the whole card on it? Would like to see McCombs fight too but he's fighting early enough in the card.
It's actually legit believe it or not ;D
aye mine too :-[
Wasn't overly impressed with Conlan, a very limited boxer caused him some problems. Think any sort of step up in class he's in bother.
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Wasn't overly impressed with Conlan, a very limited boxer caused him some problems. Think any sort of step up in class he's in bother.
He's been pro for a while now and he's nearly 30 and fought nobody of any note there has to be a reason for that.
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
why?
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Wasn't overly impressed with Conlan, a very limited boxer caused him some problems. Think any sort of step up in class he's in bother.
He's been pro for a while now and he's nearly 30 and fought nobody of any note there has to be a reason for that.
That's what I was thinking this morning and looked up his age. I know he had amateur status to his mid 20s but he must have had enough experience at pro to take a step up.
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
why?
So we don't have to listen to Grace again :D
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
why?
So we don't have to listen to Grace again :D
Went the distance last night Doheny gave a decent account of himself but never looked like winning fight. Conlon probably on course for a world title shot. Seemed to be a great atmosphere at Falls Park
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Wasn't overly impressed with Conlan, a very limited boxer caused him some problems. Think any sort of step up in class he's in bother.
He's been pro for a while now and he's nearly 30 and fought nobody of any note there has to be a reason for that.
That's what I was thinking this morning and looked up his age. I know he had amateur status to his mid 20s but he must have had enough experience at pro to take a step up.
Exactly. Given his previous amateur experience he should have been further down the track than he is. He has no power and until last night fought nobody of note. Tye whole weight issue was a joke, as was this WBA interim belt at FW when they are both BWs.
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MTK
Not be too many boxers you'd like to see win then! Boxing is run by gangsters dating back from day zero
That's a total cop out, MTK in a different league
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
why?
So we don't have to listen to Grace again :D
Went the distance last night Doheny gave a decent account of himself but never looked like winning fight. Conlon probably on course for a world title shot. Seemed to be a great atmosphere at Falls Park
Thought the crowd were very poor in supporting the fighters...expected more
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
why?
So we don't have to listen to Grace again :D
Went the distance last night Doheny gave a decent account of himself but never looked like winning fight. Conlon probably on course for a world title shot. Seemed to be a great atmosphere at Falls Park
Thought the crowd were very poor in supporting the fighters...expected more
At the same event before and great atmosphere but the vast majority are too drunk to see the fight and no interest in boxing. Like a big outdoor party which isn't a bad thing
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Conlan struggling with the weight, would love to see him beat tomorrow night.
why?
So we don't have to listen to Grace again :D
Went the distance last night Doheny gave a decent account of himself but never looked like winning fight. Conlon probably on course for a world title shot. Seemed to be a great atmosphere at Falls Park
Thought the crowd were very poor in supporting the fighters...expected more
Was following fight TV and seen chat function and came to a point to what type of joints lads were smoking. At the fight. Great lads
Would say there was some gear about
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MTK
Not be too many boxers you'd like to see win then! Boxing is run by gangsters dating back from day zero
That's a total cop out, MTK in a different league
Maybe do but the mafia in America has always been involved in American boxing, especially in Vegas. The Mexican drug cartels have involvement in many of their boxers. It's a corrupt sport right through from Amateurs to the top professionals. It hits harder for us at home with MTK but it's always had a shady side to it. Yes, admittedly MTK seem to be on a different level but I don't blame the boxers. A young fella offered money and a pro contract to help with his dream of becoming a world champion? I'm sure most of us on here would do the same. The big criticism I have for MTK boxing wise is that they have saturated the market with fellas who are useless.
Conlans toughest opponent to date & his best performance to date.
In his fights he is usually very boring to watch with little or no actual aggression - last night he brought aggression and was tactically very good.
Time to go for a World Title now.
The atmosphere was electric but as someone said the amount of 'fans' at it that had no interest in the actual boxing was unreal. At least the rain stayed away.
Very impressed with Donovan from Limerick who looks a real prospect. With Andy Lee in his corner he looks the best Irish prospect for a long time.
The McKenna fight was very entertaining
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Conlans toughest opponent to date & his best performance to date.
In his fights he is usually very boring to watch with little or no actual aggression - last night he brought aggression and was tactically very good.
Time to go for a World Title now.
The atmosphere was electric but as someone said the amount of 'fans' at it that had no interest in the actual boxing was unreal. At least the rain stayed away.
Very impressed with Donovan from Limerick who looks a real prospect. With Andy Lee in his corner he looks the best Irish prospect for a long time.
The McKenna fight was very entertaining
Two south paws ...made Conlans fight awkward
That was some battle there by both fighters on channel 5
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That was some battle there by both fighters on channel 5
Absolutely cracking fight.
I don't know where the last judge got the difference from!! Maybe eggington did enough but his face is busted!!
What about Valdez, as crazy a decision as there has been in boxing in modern times. No regulator has the sports credibility in tatters.
See Joshua 3/7 to beat Usyk (near 3/1 to win) next Saturday. Extremely dangerous opponent for AJ, fight to go the distance is 6/4 seems good value.
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See Joshua 3/7 to beat Usyk (near 3/1 to win) next Saturday. Extremely dangerous opponent for AJ, fight to go the distance is 6/4 seems good value.
Toughest fight of Joshua career. So many permutations - Joshua's power could be too much for Usyk and eventually lead to a KO, or Usyk could simply tire Joshua and finish him in the second half of the fight, ut if he keeps Joshua from dictating the pace.
Usyk is some operator, great fight
Great performance by usyk, clear winner, at least the judges scored it correctly.
Great fight that. AJ playing for a borefest and Hearn needs to lay off the stupid entrance theatrics at the beginning of fights.
Usyk looked like he could have went another 5 rounds
Usyk could beat 2 Joshuas
AJ completely found out again, like so many of us have long predicted.. Usyk is phenomenal. Lomachenko but 220 lbs. His head movement is insane.
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AJ completely found out again, like so many of us have long predicted.. Usyk is phenomenal. Lomachenko but 220 lbs. His head movement is insane.
Yep. AJ a housewifes favourite but a bag of pish at the end of it
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AJ completely found out again, like so many of us have long predicted.. Usyk is phenomenal. Lomachenko but 220 lbs. His head movement is insane.
Everyone but the British media could see he was a big athlete but not a boxer and would get found out eventually.
I expected Usyk to win if he could fight at the pace that he did at CW, but was unsure if he could do that given his 2 performances at HW thus far and the fact that he was heavier again for this fight, I was worried that either his speed or endurance weren't at the same level they were at CW but he showed they were tonight.
Joshua is still a top 3/4 HW which maybe shows he isn't as bad as being spouted here. If we had a man anywhere near his level we would be doing OK and the Irish media/housewives would be lauding him too.
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I expected Usyk to win if he could fight at the pace that he did at CW, but was unsure if he could do that given his 2 performances at HW thus far and the fact that he was heavier again for this fight, I was worried that either his speed or endurance weren't at the same level they were at CW but he showed they were tonight.
Joshua is still a top 3/4 HW which maybe shows he isn't as bad as being spouted here. If we had a man anywhere near his level we would be doing OK and the Irish media/housewives would be lauding him too.
???
Quote from: StPatsAbu on September 25, 2021, 11:30:29 PM
Usyk could beat 2 Joshuas
You were seeing 3 Joshua's most of that fight I'd say
I was looking to quote someone there who predicted a Usyk win. Couldn't find one among the hindsight.
Michael Conlon's QF Olympic match officially declared a fix.
Michael "it's not news to me but it's good news"
https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/58747880
Apologies if wrong thread but any links to cage warriors tonight?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 01, 2021, 10:09:30 PM
Apologies if wrong thread but any links to cage warriors tonight?
Bellator is streaming on the iplayer, not sure if that's what you're after
Nah its cage warriors I'm after. Cheers RR.
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Nah its cage warriors I'm after. Cheers RR.
Some win for Hughes
Just about to watch Clubber Lang take on Rocky in the rematch! "I pitty fool" "you're prediction" "pain"
Quit yo jibbajabba
Boxing will never match the skill levels of Apollo Creed!
Some can of worms with the Olympic corruption.
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Some can of worms with the Olympic corruption.
Jones lost 2-3 to South Korean Park-Si-Hun in the final of the light middleweight (71kg) division in the Seoul Games despite landing 86 punches to the home favourite's 32
Also Jones was awarded the best boxer during the tournament!
I'm sure we could go back even further to find bigger disgraceful decisions
Worked with a trainer years ago, lovely fella, knew his boxing inside out, he always said when the Ulster lads headed to the National stadium for the All Ireland's they generally had to stop their southern opponents to get the win
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Some can of worms with the Olympic corruption.
Probably happened at every games when it comes to boxing or any sport where judges are involved. Even big AJ got one or two dodgy decisions in 2012 with one against Felix Savons nephew. Sure look at the craic with the Chinese in 2008, in some fights it was near impossible to score a point against them.
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Some can of worms with the Olympic corruption.
Jones lost 2-3 to South Korean Park-Si-Hun in the final of the light middleweight (71kg) division in the Seoul Games despite landing 86 punches to the home favourite's 32
Also Jones was awarded the best boxer during the tournament!
I'm sure we could go back even further to find bigger disgraceful decisions
Worked with a trainer years ago, lovely fella, knew his boxing inside out, he always said when the Ulster lads headed to the National stadium for the All Ireland's they generally had to stop their southern opponents to get the win
Remember that fight. Jones was doing exhibitions punches in the last round. Sort of a lap of honour.
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Worked with a trainer years ago, lovely fella, knew his boxing inside out, he always said when the Ulster lads headed to the National stadium for the All Ireland's they generally had to stop their southern opponents to get the win
And the scores of times Ulster lads won bouts on points (which is how the vast majority of amateur bouts at that level are decided) is just the exception to the rule.
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Worked with a trainer years ago, lovely fella, knew his boxing inside out, he always said when the Ulster lads headed to the National stadium for the All Ireland's they generally had to stop their southern opponents to get the win
And the scores of times Ulster lads won bouts on points (which is how the vast majority of amateur bouts at that level are decided) is just the exception to the rule.
Im going back over 30 years ago I might add.
Thoughts on Fury Wilder 3?
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Thoughts on Fury Wilder 3?
Have a feeling Wilder is going to KO Fury. However, if he doesn't, Fury will win easy on points. Just a pity it wasn't on a decent time
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Thoughts on Fury Wilder 3?
Have a feeling Wilder is going to KO Fury. However, if he doesn't, Fury will win easy on points. Just a pity it wasn't on a decent time
It's a great time for us west coasters!
Smith v Fowler on Saturday night should be good fight, would expect Smith on points. Couple of other good fights on the undercard or it too. Can't see Wilder troubling Fury. Fury by stoppage
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Thoughts on Fury Wilder 3?
Have a feeling Wilder is going to KO Fury. However, if he doesn't, Fury will win easy on points. Just a pity it wasn't on a decent time
It's a great time for us west coasters!
The sun is probably shining too!
Smith Fowler will be good. Mad that Wilder is going straight into the rematch off the back of that hiding. Anything could happen though, but you would imagine that Fury would stop him again. Unless some of the cheating theories are true and Fury is found out this time.
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Thoughts on Fury Wilder 3?
Have a feeling Wilder is going to KO Fury. However, if he doesn't, Fury will win easy on points. Just a pity it wasn't on a decent time
Well I can finally see it again after a week of smoke
It's a great time for us west coasters!
The sun is probably shining too!
Any links to the boxing? Just turned up at a pub where I reserved seats for it only to be told they ain't showing it anymore! >:(
Good scrap lads!! Could still go either way though Wilder was goosed!
Thats that. Good fight
Went as expected. Fury too big, too strong, too good. Simple
Got to watch it on sportsurge.net
By no means a boxing expert but that's the best fight I've ever seen.
Watched bits of it. Fury is a different level to Wilder. Will the Joshua fight ever happen or would it be too much of a mismatch?
Was it a good scrap/brawl or a decent boxing match?
Fury's dad in an interview I heard yesterday said that Wlder will come out all guns blazing and try and finish it in the early rounds, Tyson will absorb these rounds snd wear Wilder down and possibly take him out in the later rounds 8/9 rounds
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Got to watch it on sportsurge.net
By no means a boxing expert but that's the best fight I've ever seen.
Great fight. Heard Wilder's corner tell him how proud he should be of his performance between a couple of the final rounds, and rightly so. The writing was on the wall then. Some entertainment. 2 warriors
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2021, 09:25:21 AM
Was it a good scrap/brawl or a decent boxing match?
Fury's dad in an interview I heard yesterday said that Wlder will come out all guns blazing and try and finish it in the early rounds, Tyson will absorb these rounds snd wear Wilder down and possibly take him out in the later rounds 8/9 rounds
Nah Wilder had a bit more of a plan and did some damage early with jabs to the body which took Fury a while to work out. After the knockdown though he lost the plan and went back to type and kept trying haymakers. Landed a couple to knock Fury down as well and looked like he could do it. He was very shaky on his feet for the rest of the fight and did rattle off a few right hands but the power was mostly gone.
Fury is so good at using his frame it just sucked the life out of Wilder he was leaning on him and headlocking him every chance he could he's a great fighter.
More of a chance with AJ fighting Wilder to try and work his way back up to Fury. Fury has overtaken him at this stage it might happen because of the history and the chance to sell out Wembley stadium but it's hard to see it happening now.
Would fury not school Joshua?
Fury Joshua obviously not as big now. It could be bigger if Joshua beats Usyk, but won't be as big as it would have been previously. It's always been obvious that Fury would school Joshua.
Brilliant fight this morning, Wilder did start well but Fury wasn't as good as in the previous fight, which is probably normal given the lay-off. Fury did lean on him throughout and was told off about headlock, but it was more Wilder constantly putting his head under Fury than anything else. Wilder was knackered from early on and was the same in the first fight. He bulked up for both fights and that extra weight would be hard for him to carry. Fury just needs to keep active going forward, he will be better for it. The man has an unreal fitness level.
Used to live boxing and watch it fanatically when I was younger. Haven't had the interest in years but was curious how would the likes of Fury match up in comparison to some of the better fighters historically, not Ali or Tyson as they were the best of the best, but the level below that?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 10, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
Used to live boxing and watch it fanatically when I was younger. Haven't had the interest in years but was curious how would the likes of Fury match up in comparison to some of the better fighters historically, not Ali or Tyson as they were the best of the best, but the level below that?
Nostalgia and time change the reality of how older fighters are perceived. Fury and Ali were tiny compared to Fury and size plays a huge part.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 10, 2021, 12:22:48 PM
Used to live boxing and watch it fanatically when I was younger. Haven't had the interest in years but was curious how would the likes of Fury match up in comparison to some of the better fighters historically, not Ali or Tyson as they were the best of the best, but the level below that?
Really hard to tell. I'd even go as far as saying Foreman would struggle with the sheer bulk of these fighters.
Fury said Tyson would take him out in 30 seconds but he's a student of the discipline and bows to those lads.
Enjoyed that fight so much I watched it twice. It was like two real giants colliding, bodywise.
The current standard is rank lads ffs. The standard below, whats that? Lennox Lewis?
Nostalgia plays a big part here. Fury is 6 ft 9. That's absolutely massive. Most of the historical greats we think of are closer in size to Usyk and realistically he'd probably batter half of them too. We are bigger, faster, stronger and smarter than we have ever been.
Part of the problem now is that the best heavyweights don't fight each other often enough and look to protect their -0.
Ali still the greatest, Tyson still the most ferocious, but i'm not sure that saying today's generation couldn't hang with the previous ones is really true.
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The current standard is rank lads ffs. The standard below, whats that? Lennox Lewis?
The standard today is no different than any other period really.
I suppose where I am coming from is directly relative to size. As many have said the heavy weights now are huge, probably back in the day they would have been super heavy weights. Foreman would have been considered big for his era and he is 'only' 6'3. If you strip away the size, would the likes of Fury et al have the 'skills' that Ali, or Holyfield, or Tyson had(although it's accepted that Tysons main skill was he was just a relentless powerful puncher)?
Lennox Lewis was a very good "big" boxer then, what was he 6ft 5'' ? And could box as well as anyone
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.
On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.
On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, altho8ugh one judge only give Fury a 10-8 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.
Is 10-8 not right? With a 10-7 for example for a 2 knock downs in a round?
Quote from: JoG2 on October 11, 2021, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.
On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, altho8ugh one judge only give Fury a 10-8 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.
Is 10-8 not right? With a 10-7 for example for a 2 knock downs in a round?
Sorry, I meant he only gave him a 10-9 win.
Lads slating Lennox Lewis. Really? He's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time lads
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.
On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.
That's absolutely nonsense. Was Wlad ever a better boxer than Mayweather? Than Pacquiao?
Heavyweight division going to be very interesting for a couple of years. Dillian Whyte (assuming he wins his end of month bout) waiting in the wings for Fury, a very dangerous customer.
Reading bits and pieces about AJ and I see red flags. Days after his defeat he was saying he's learned his lesson from first Usyk fight, I don't see how??? The only way I see him winning the rematch is if he comes back a stone plus heavier and clobbers him, there's no parallel universe anywhere where he outboxes Usyk. Now he's supposedly back in training for the rematch earmarked for Spring - unless that's PR it seems way too early, he's hardly comedown of his defeat ffs. There's a real whiff of panic imo.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on October 11, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.
On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.
That's absolutely nonsense. Was Wlad ever a better boxer than Mayweather? Than Pacquiao?
Wise up. Klitschko would have beat both those fighters if they had fought, therefore he was the better boxer.
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The thing is, you can't strip away size. That's why pound for pound lists do my head in, they mean nothing. The Heavyweight king is the best boxer in the world, with Fury being number 1 at the minute.
On another note, the judges cards weren't too bad at the weekend, although one judge only give Fury a 10-9 win in the 10th even though he knocked Wilder down.
That's absolutely nonsense. Was Wlad ever a better boxer than Mayweather? Than Pacquiao?
Wise up. Klitschko would have beat both those fighters if they had fought, therefore he was the better boxer.
That's not how it works. Weight classes have existed since the London Prize Ring days for a reason. Wlad is an all time great fighter, and both of them were infinitely superior to him.
Countless heavyweights you've never heard the name of would KO Mayweather and Pacquiao. Are they all "better boxers" then them?
Catch yourself on.
Quote from: gallsman on October 11, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
Lads slating Lennox Lewis. Really? He's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time lads
Exactly, what a jab he had
They bigger but no where near as fit. Wilder from a boxing point of view is very limited, Fury fighting 2 stone overweight, Foreman who hits harder that Wilder would knock Fury out. Fury size would be a major advantage against shorter heavyweights under 6ft but I believe Tyson (Mike) would knocked Fury out with close-in uppercuts.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 11, 2021, 10:10:22 PM
They bigger but no where near as fit. Wilder from a boxing point of view is very limited, Fury fighting 2 stone overweight, Foreman who hits harder that Wilder would out Fury out. Fury size would be a major advantage against shorter heavyweights under 6ft but I believe Tyson (Mike) would knocked Fury out with close-in uppercuts.
Wait? What?
Decided to watch the Tyson doc again on prime there.
And remembered agreeing with some of the posts here that the current heavyweights absolutely would compete with previous eras no problem due to size. And agreeing that Fury probably just being humble about Tyson knocking him out in 30 secs. I'll be honest completely changed my mind again lol. Jesus nearly forgot how ferocious a puncher he was. The speed power, I haven't seeing anything like it since. I'd say Fury maybe isn't far wrong.
Tyson at his peak was unreal, I personally think he was the greatest heavyweight ever but he was of my era and I watched (experienced) a lot of his fights, I can't say the same for Ali, Foreman, Frazier and the long list of Champs before them, few good uns since Tyson but not as good.
The aggression, ferocity, power and shear badness that Tyson had for the short period he dominated was simply insane. Started to fall apart before the Buster Douglas fight, then he went to jail for rape. Got his act together in there and came out and butchered a few warm ups before destroying Bruno to regain the world title. After that we never saw the same Tyson. Parties, woman and drugs with multiple people taking advantage of his vulnerability.
Quigley well outclassed last night :(
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on November 20, 2021, 01:00:46 PM
Quigley well outclassed last night :(
Quigleys career has been pretty poor to be honest, given the expectations associated with him after his world Silver.
Sky have added a few fights from the greatest era ever to their downloads, SRL V Duran, Hagler v Hearns just about to start on SS Arena.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 12, 2021, 11:29:23 AM
Sky have added a few fights from the greatest era ever to their downloads, SRL V Duran, Hagler v Hearns just about to start on SS Arena.
Can you watch on catch-up?
Not sure tbh. They were on the TV Schedule Sunday a couple of times. Normally on demand a day or 2 after being shown for the first time.
Fack me that's a proper 1st round
That was harsh I mean yeah there's no way Khan was knocking him out but he was still able to fight!
Quote from: screenexile on February 19, 2022, 11:17:36 PM
That was harsh I mean yeah there's no way Khan was knocking him out but he was still able to fight!
Come on it was a bit of a battering.
Khan couldn't throw a punch and could barely defend himself. He was spent.
The physicality of Brook was a factor, Khan shadow of himself
Great scrap.
I thought it was a tad early but ref could see more than us. Better too early as too late i suppose
Both should retire now, well past their best.
That was absolutely disgusting lads Jesus no way he won that fight!!
I actually turned over at the end of the fight and have just saw the outcome on twitter - UNFUCKINGBELIVEABLE. At the end of the fight Taylor had his hand in the air and I was thinking, some f**king chance Josh you got battered. Utter joke, wasn't even close.
Terrible decision. Horrible fight to watch, horrible fight to score and even at that Caterall should have got the nod handy enough. How Taylor could have won by 3 on one card having suffered a 10-8 is mind boggling.
Eric Donovan losing in 3rd rd wondering is that the end of him at 36?
Even Taylor's own corner was telling him he needed a knock out going into the last round. Absolutely ridiculous decision.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2022, 11:16:06 PM
I actually turned over at the end of the fight and have just saw the outcome on twitter - UNFUCKINGBELIVEABLE. At the end of the fight Taylor had his hand in the air and I was thinking, some f**king chance Josh you got battered. Utter joke, wasn't even close.
Yeah he pretty much only raised his hand because he was trying to half convince himself he'd won. Scorecards were a disgrace. Effectively none of them had Catteral winning as the one he did get would have been 113-113 only for Taylor hitting after the bell in the 11th.
Absolutely shocking stuff.
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2022, 11:16:06 PM
I actually turned over at the end of the fight and have just saw the outcome on twitter - UNFUCKINGBELIVEABLE. At the end of the fight Taylor had his hand in the air and I was thinking, some f**king chance Josh you got battered. Utter joke, wasn't even close.
Yeah he pretty much only raised his hand because he was trying to half convince himself he'd won. Scorecards were a disgrace. Effectively none of them had Catteral winning as the one he did get would have been 113-113 only for Taylor hitting after the bell in the 11th.
Absolutely shocking stuff.
Disgraceful.
Kurt Walker won on his professional debut on the under card
Lads I thought he was definitely beat, but a lot of the rounds were close enough. We have seen this sort of thing before favouring the champ. Not saying its right, but it didn't surprise me.
It was a close fight and Catteral could have done more in the last 3/4 rounds to make certain.
I definitely thought Catteral won aswell, but i couldn't believe the commentators how far they had him in front. It was a shite fight with a lot of close, scrappy rounds. Didn't have him 5/6 ahead the way the commentators had it, but still just ahead.
Bookies are giving Leigh Wood a chance against Conlan tomorrow.
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2022, 06:53:57 PM
Bookies are giving Leigh Wood a chance against Conlan tomorrow.
He has a good chance, first live fighter that Conlan has fought. Only for the WBA Regular belt though, not a real world title.
Don't really rate Conlon at all...wouldn't be surprised if Wood wins
Hope Conlon wins but i wouldn't be a big believer myself.
Conlon doesn't look like he has any power in his punches at all!
Tomorrow will tell a tale. If he heads into this lad's territory and puts on a show, he might get some kind of a decent title chance.
Imagine.,,..this is for the WBA featherweight championship of the World. The exact same title that McGuigsn won in 85. Some difference in hype...it was massive back then...unlike now.
Is it the same?
There seems to be a super champ and a regular champ.
Quote from: ONeill on March 11, 2022, 11:27:48 PM
Is it the same?
There seems to be a super champ and a regular champ.
Santa Cruz is the proper WBA Champion.
I assume there has hardly been a peep about this fight is due to Conlan fighting for Daniel Kinahan ?
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 12, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
I assume there has hardly been a peep about this fight is due to Conlan fighting for Daniel Kinahan ?
Seems to be enough coverage considering the title and profile of the fighters involved. Don't know if Kinahan has any role to play in anything Conlan does and he definitely doesn't fight for him.
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Quote from: Kidder81 on March 12, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
I assume there has hardly been a peep about this fight is due to Conlan fighting for Daniel Kinahan ?
Seems to be enough coverage considering the title and profile of the fighters involved. Don't know if Kinahan has any role to play in anything Conlan does and he definitely doesn't fight for him.
Kinahan has a big role to play in what Conlan does.
Jeez Conlan looked like an awful tit at the weigh in, wearing a pair of those 1euro sunglasses you get in Bundoran & mouthing like a clown. The more i see of him the more I'm not mad about him.
Obviously still hope he wins but a couple of years ago I found him more likeable.
He doesn't come across very well to be honest. He never has.
I wonder will they look at the dogdy backers here the way they did with Chelsea
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 12, 2022, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 12, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
I assume there has hardly been a peep about this fight is due to Conlan fighting for Daniel Kinahan ?
Seems to be enough coverage considering the title and profile of the fighters involved. Don't know if Kinahan has any role to play in anything Conlan does and he definitely doesn't fight for him.
::)
::) Yeah he has nothing to do with MTK. Do you also believe in the Easter bunny ?
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Quote from: Kidder81 on March 12, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
I assume there has hardly been a peep about this fight is due to Conlan fighting for Daniel Kinahan ?
Seems to be enough coverage considering the title and profile of the fighters involved. Don't know if Kinahan has any role to play in anything Conlan does and he definitely doesn't fight for him.
::)
::) Yeah he has nothing to do with MTK. Do you also believe in the Easter bunny ?
Kinahan is one of many people involved in MTK. Conlan is not with MTK I don't believe. There are many advisors involved in shaping the path of a big fighter, which in Conlans case would include his manager and also Top Rank - he doesn't fight for either of them though or MTK if he were with them.
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
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Quote from: Kidder81 on March 12, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
I assume there has hardly been a peep about this fight is due to Conlan fighting for Daniel Kinahan ?
Seems to be enough coverage considering the title and profile of the fighters involved. Don't know if Kinahan has any role to play in anything Conlan does and he definitely doesn't fight for him.
Kinahan has a big role to play in what Conlan does.
Jeez Conlan looked like an awful tit at the weigh in, wearing a pair of those 1euro sunglasses you get in Bundoran & mouthing like a clown. The more i see of him the more I'm not mad about him.
Obviously still hope he wins but a couple of years ago I found him more likeable.
Wee bit of a fanny
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Spose he's selling tickets by acting the lig.
Lad fairly unliked the way he gets on, bit like Conor McGregor.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2022, 10:46:16 PM
Lad fairly unlikely the way he gets on, bit like Conor McGregor.
Yep. Mouth
What a first 2 rounds.
Some shot in fairness end of 1st round
Great contest.
Fair play to Wood. Was on last legs early on.
Conlan keeps digging deep when under pressure.
Conlon in control surely, has to be 4 or 5 rounds ahead
Hope he's alright.
https://twitter.com/DailyBruise2/status/1502792689737117700
Exhaustion?
Unusual. Hope he's ok, it's either serious or bad acting
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2022, 11:55:12 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyBruise2/status/1502792689737117700
Exhaustion?
Is was odd, it looked like he passed out irrespective of punches. All we can do is hope he's OK.
He was hit alright, angle on that link is bad
If you freeze it before that last punch, he was stiff.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 12:05:41 AM
He was hit alright, angle on that link is bad
Ah you're right. Definitely done on the temple from a right.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 12:05:41 AM
He was hit alright, angle on that link is bad
Ah you're right. Definitely done on the temple from a right.
Wile dangerous. Makes you wonder why boys do it
Wood was very classy there after the knockdown.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2022, 10:46:16 PM
Lad fairly unlikely the way he gets on, bit like Conor McGregor.
Yep. Mouth
More likely he's just poorly advised/promoted..
He'll be the better for this lesson in humility.
Scorecards had Conlon up by 1 point on two cards and up by 3 on the other after 11 rounds.
It seems Conlon fought his heart out and was close to stopping Wood in the early rounds. He was definitely out before the last punch. Hopefully he's ok.
Watching it in real time it was hard to see what happened that knocked Conlon out, but this shows it pretty clear
https://twitter.com/LondonRunz/status/1502805512567635970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1502805512567635970%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2056910412%2Fupcoming-fights-mod-note-keep-discussion-to-fight-night-threads%2Fp96
Quote from: ONeill on March 13, 2022, 12:31:29 AM
Wood was very classy there after the knockdown.
Unlike some of the fans booing him. All he'd done was say thanks and that he hoped Conlan was ok
What was Conlon doing getting into a brawl at the end anyway ?
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 13, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
What was Conlon doing getting into a brawl at the end anyway ?
Exactly. He was way ahead. All he had to do was jab and move for the last three rounds and he'd have won easy. Very stupid sitting on the ropes inviting shots.
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Agree - I just can't warm to the lad at all. That said, despite the defeat last night he was way better than I thought he was, but ultimately I just don't think he's good enough to compete at the top level
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Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 12:27:06 PM
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on March 13, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
You haven't a clue what you're on about.
Why would he want to appeal to both sides of the community, he's being himself.
He's not hidden away anywhere. He fights with one of the biggest promotions in the world on a PPV streaming service. His purses are fine. If you're worried about what he fights on, then get it so you can see it.
Quote from: michaelg on March 13, 2022, 12:27:06 PM
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Quote from: michaelg on March 12, 2022, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
Even if he did adopt a more neutral stance, I can't imagine the GAWA/OWC mob would be in a rush to support a Catholic from West Belfast.
12th parades and wearing rangers tops! He also wears Antrim tops and been to Gaelic games...
I was a bit surprised at hearing the Wolf Tones last night, especially the tune that came on given the fact that it would provoke certain words from the crowd present. He has had backlash over this before and the Wolf Tones song just lowers his standing in a lot of peoples eyes.
It was a good fight but considering Conlans background, its mad to see how often he goes to the ropes instead of just sticking to boxing, which is meant to be his forte. This wasn't the first fight it happened and even last night, it was happening round after round. The slip/knockdown in the 11th changed everything as it created doubt in his mind about the scorecards, which opened up the 12th. The 11th left him needing to win the final round to avoid a draw.
I'd have no concern about Conlans unashamed Irishness but would be a lot more concerned by attaching himself to MTK boxing. Such a pity because he was such an exciting amateur and played a massive part in a great fight last night but like plenty of others he opted to take the money knowing full well as an Irishman the source of it.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 13, 2022, 02:01:42 PM
I'd have no concern about Conlans unashamed Irishness but would be a lot more concerned by attaching himself to MTK boxing. Such a pity because he was such an exciting amateur and played a massive part in a great fight last night but like plenty of others he opted to take the money knowing full well as an Irishman the source of it.
100%
no shame in Conlan expressing his Irish identity as he likes
plenty of west brits seem to take the 'croppies lie down' attitude unfortunately ::)
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 13, 2022, 03:45:02 PM
no shame in Conlan expressing his Irish identity as he likes
plenty of west brits seem to take the 'croppies lie down' attitude unfortunately ::)
I was just going to post you can be a proud Irishman & proud of your heritage without donning a pair of plastic tricolour sunglasses ffs
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 13, 2022, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 13, 2022, 03:45:02 PM
no shame in Conlan expressing his Irish identity as he likes
plenty of west brits seem to take the 'croppies lie down' attitude unfortunately ::)
I was just going to post you can be a proud Irishman & proud of your heritage without donning a pair of plastic tricolour sunglasses ffs
The lad wore a pair of Tricolour sunglasses for a pic ffs and you're reacting like Jim Allister or Arlene Foster. West brits are worse that any loyalist...
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no shame in Conlan expressing his Irish identity as he likes
plenty of west brits seem to take the 'croppies lie down' attitude unfortunately ::)
I was just going to post you can be a proud Irishman & proud of your heritage without donning a pair of plastic tricolour sunglasses ffs
The lad wore a pair of Tricolour sunglasses for a pic ffs and you're reacting like Jim Allister or Arlene Foster. West brits are worse that any loyalist...
Not offended you eejit, he just looked like a halfwit
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no shame in Conlan expressing his Irish identity as he likes
plenty of west brits seem to take the 'croppies lie down' attitude unfortunately ::)
I was just going to post you can be a proud Irishman & proud of your heritage without donning a pair of plastic tricolour sunglasses ffs
The lad wore a pair of Tricolour sunglasses for a pic ffs and you're reacting like Jim Allister or Arlene Foster. West brits are worse that any loyalist...
Not offended you eejit, he just looked like a halfwit
And you're acting like one...
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Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
Even if he did adopt a more neutral stance, I can't imagine the GAWA/OWC mob would be in a rush to support a Catholic from West Belfast.
Not sure what you are basing that on when a catholic from Monaghan and a catholic from Larne, during the height of The Troubles, had universal support across NI, including the 'GAWA/OWC mob' as you put it. Sorry if that doesn't fit the 'All Prods are bigots' narrative.
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Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
Even if he did adopt a more neutral stance, I can't imagine the GAWA/OWC mob would be in a rush to support a Catholic from West Belfast.
Not sure what you are basing that on when a catholic from Monaghan and a catholic from Larne, during the height of The Troubles, had universal support across NI, including the 'GAWA/OWC mob' as you put it. Sorry if that doesn't fit the 'All Prods are bigots' narrative.
he wasn't called barry the brit for nothing ffs ::)
Mick seems to be trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And judging by this thread, he's nailed it.
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Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
Even if he did adopt a more neutral stance, I can't imagine the GAWA/OWC mob would be in a rush to support a Catholic from West Belfast.
Not sure what you are basing that on when a catholic from Monaghan and a catholic from Larne, during the height of The Troubles, had universal support across NI, including the 'GAWA/OWC mob' as you put it. Sorry if that doesn't fit the 'All Prods are bigots' narrative.
Who was from Larne?
I'm sure Conlan hardly gives a f**k who likes him or who doesn't. He's not ashamed of who he is and where he is from. Hope to see him back stronger than ever soon.
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Tiny percentage of Irish people subscribe to DAZN
If he was on RTE tonight, he'd be as high profile as Bernard Dunne at his peak. Bernard didn't have the profile of peak Barry McGuigan but was pretty much a household name at that time.
But for the ordinary Irish sports follower, of which there are many many looking to jump on any bandwagon, Conlon is just too hard to follow. If he was even on Sky Sports, there'd be plenty looking out for him.
So the Kinahan connection, if there is one, is moot. Not enough people know about Conlon's professional career to care about any Kinahan influence.
Perhaps his pro IRA ballix has something to do with it.
Explain how he's pro IRA.
The Ooh Aah up the Ra ring walk tune might have something to do with it.
Aw Jesus dry your eyes
The discussion was around his profile and why he was hard to follow. Safe to say Frampton would not have been as popoular if he came on to Simply the Best draped in a NI flag.
Aye I'm sure he's bothered that you think he's hard to follow or that boys like you don't think he's popular. I don't think he's hard to follow.
Frampton goes to 12th parades and runs about in rangers tops. Conlan does what suits him too. What's your point.
I though that was fairly obvious. My point is he would have much broader appeal if he tried to appeal to both sides of the commiunity and would not be hidden away on DAZN or whatever channel it was on. He would also have bigger purses and be able to set himself up for life. It's not rocket science ffs.
Even if he did adopt a more neutral stance, I can't imagine the GAWA/OWC mob would be in a rush to support a Catholic from West Belfast.
Not sure what you are basing that on when a catholic from Monaghan and a catholic from Larne, during the height of The Troubles, had universal support across NI, including the 'GAWA/OWC mob' as you put it. Sorry if that doesn't fit the 'All Prods are bigots' narrative.
Who was from Larne?
Must be Dave Boy
What next for Conlan?
Hearn said Wood could go for the winner of Warrington and Kiko.
This was the 'easiest' world title for Conlan to win.
Superb fight
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Mick seems to be trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And judging by this thread, he's nailed it.
Tbh I would agree with that. Politics aside some dignity in your signature move being giving the two middle fingers to people.
I hope that knockout does teach him a bit more humility tbh. I would actually like to see him do well but I'd like to see him maybe being a bit more dignified in how he conducts himself.
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What next for Conlan?
Hearn said Wood could go for the winner of Warrington and Kiko.
This was the 'easiest' world title for Conlan to win.
Superb fight
There would be no point in a Wood Martinez fight, but I suppose Warrington and Wood would give Wood a full City Ground. I think Warrington wants to get the 3rd fight with Lara though. I would imagine that the numbers involved in a rematch with Conlan could make a sequel happen though.
paddy barnes and caoimhin agyarko doing a bit of fighting at weekend
There'll be very little sympathy for Donnelly!
I didn't realise that wasn't a spoof...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj-8cbLs4v3AhVGilwKHX-qA-cQFnoECCcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fireland%2Fcomments%2Fu0f47w%2Folympic_boxer_steven_donnelly_is_attacked_by_two%2F&usg=AOvVaw3sSEwBdB83TdmyL1-8l_GG (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj-8cbLs4v3AhVGilwKHX-qA-cQFnoECCcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fireland%2Fcomments%2Fu0f47w%2Folympic_boxer_steven_donnelly_is_attacked_by_two%2F&usg=AOvVaw3sSEwBdB83TdmyL1-8l_GG)
Steven Donnelly & Caoimhin Agyarko running into each other in a bar was never going to pass quietly...
Paddy Barnes won't be too proud of the videos that are circulating either.
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paddy barnes and caoimhin agyarko doing a bit of fighting at weekend
OBE wee brit, probably a shinner
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Steven Donnelly & Caoimhin Agyarko running into each other in a bar was never going to pass quietly...
Paddy Barnes won't be too proud of the videos that are circulating either.
Why what is the deal between the two of them?
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Steven Donnelly & Caoimhin Agyarko running into each other in a bar was never going to pass quietly...
Paddy Barnes won't be too proud of the videos that are circulating either.
Why what is the deal between the two of them?
Donnelly & Argyrko haven't gotten on since younger days, rivalry there. Donnelly tweeted racist abuse towards Argyrko a couple of years ago too.
Donnelly has had bad bouts of mental health, possibly in rehab at a stage too. He was arrested after the weekends antics and was also charged with being in possession of class A drugs.
Jesus that's messy.
That "fighting" is hilariously bad. For "boxers" to be hugging on the ground then 6 stone 4ft paddy Barnes to go running in trying to swing ;D Embarrassing all round
And there's me thinking boxers are supposed to be discliplined outside the ring!!
Silly carry on.
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That "fighting" is hilariously bad. For "boxers" to be hugging on the ground then 6 stone 4ft paddy Barnes to go running in trying to swing ;D Embarrassing all round
Some weak punches there by Paddy.
Barnes become more of an embarrassment every time he comes up for air
Why? It was a street fight with drink in them. Did you think they'd be shoulder rolling and throwing 10 punch combos? Your man Donnelly has serious problems and is always involved in some sort of street fight or brawl when the drink is in. The rumour is he threw a glass at those boys and then he pushed Paddy and it all kicked off inside and then went on outside the bar. A shame as your man Donnelly has or had a lot of talent.
Those boys deserve the Nobel peace prize for boxing as the movie said .
I see the Kinahans have had a load of sanctions imposed on them from the US. I wonder will this impact their boxers?
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I see the Kinahans have had a load of sanctions imposed on them from the US. I wonder will this impact their boxers?
Never convicted or something :o
It seemed to be driven by gardai which did make me wonder about their convictions. Tbh I wouldn't be that sure of their dealings but just know of them.
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It seemed to be driven by gardai which did make me wonder about their convictions. Tbh I wouldn't be that sure of their dealings but just know of them.
According to today, in relation to the Kinahan organised crime group -
79 people convicted to date
12 murder related convictions
23 attempted murder related
13 firearms related
17 drug trafficking
17 money laundering
And I would say that's only the tip of the iceberg
Reading there that quite a handsome reward being offered by authorities in the states for their arrest?!
Difficult questions for John Finnucane now.
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Difficult questions for John Finnucane now.
Why?
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-stay-quiet-on-john-finucane-firms-letters-for-wanted-gang-leader-daniel-kinahan-41548165.html
MTK global stopping operating. What happens their boxers?
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MTK global stopping operating. What happens their boxers?
I'd say you will probably see the majority sign up with Probellum.
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MTK global stopping operating. What happens their boxers?
New name I'm assuming
Fury knockout in the 6th. Disappointing from Whyte I thought he'd give Fury problems, but he did nothing.
Serious punch.
Was disappointing fight tho.
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Fury knockout in the 6th. Disappointing from Whyte I thought he'd give Fury problems, but he did nothing.
Thought Whyte would give a better account of himself too. Great punch to finish it.
Anyone think Fury will actually call it a day?
I'd love to see Usyk have a rattle to see if he could work him out.
Still think Fury is avoiding a rematch with Rogan.
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I'd love to see Usyk have a rattle to see if he could work him out.
It's a fight I'd love to see. I think Usyk causes Fury huge problems. Whether it would be enough to win I don't know. There's no chance that is Fury's last fight.
Whyte looked terrible from the get go. Not sure what the game plan was or if there even was one. Didn't think he could beat Fury but thought he would have at least troubled Fury for a few rounds. It was an awful fight barely a decent punch landed until the final one which was a beauty in fairness. .
If Joshua were to beat Usyk, a fight between Joshua and Fury for all the belts would be the way to sign off. Usyk fight wouldn't be as big but would still be a big test, although Fury would be too big for him, in the way he is for everybody else too.
Thought the big lad was a sham few years back. Respect has been gradual but in no doubt now. So so hard to pin one on him. Has beaten all in his path. One more win against either usyk/joshua to cement his place as a great.
Didnt like the way he was talking after about chasing the mayweather exibition type money but hope he stays around for a while yet
Boxing heavyweight wise is fairly poor,
Fury would go through Joshua for a shortcut, wouldn't even be a fight.
Instead of being the greatest heavy weight era in history as we are being led to believe. Is it actually the worst?
Fury, Joshua, Whyte, Uysk. None IMO are up there with the greatest, Fury is dominating a group of average heavy weights as he is slightly better than average.
To call Fury "slightly better than average" is laughable. He is clearly exceptional. There has never been a fighter the size of Fury who can move like him.
Does that mean he's the GOAT? No.
His movement for the size of him is phenomenal.
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Instead of being the greatest heavy weight era in history as we are being led to believe. Is it actually the worst?
Fury, Joshua, Whyte, Uysk. None IMO are up there with the greatest, Fury is dominating a group of average heavy weights as he is slightly better than average.
Usyk would beat the head off the majority of the greats for me. People underestimate the sheer size of Fury and what he can do.
So hard to hit. I was waitin years to see him get hit a clip then when he does showed serious balls to get up again. Nowhere near the best but a respectable champion all the same
Fury / Usyk a fair bit ahead of the rest atm. Would be some scrap
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To call Fury "slightly better than average" is laughable. He is clearly exceptional. There has never been a fighter the size of Fury who can move like him.
Does that mean he's the GOAT? No.
It's obviously all in theory comparing Fury to other boxers from different eras but I think he'd put it up to anyone simply because of his size and how he can move despite how big he is. No one in history would beat him easily imo
Was talking to someone this morning who'd be pretty knowledgeable on all things boxing. Reckons Whyte actually has a valid argument re Fury pushing him after the uppercut.
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Was talking to someone this morning who'd be pretty knowledgeable on all things boxing. Reckons Whyte actually has a valid argument re Fury pushing him after the uppercut.
Probably is outside the rules but Whyte hadn't a clue where he was. I don't think too many would be interested in seeing a rematch, Fury another level.
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Was talking to someone this morning who'd be pretty knowledgeable on all things boxing. Reckons Whyte actually has a valid argument re Fury pushing him after the uppercut.
Most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard. He was punching on the back of the head throughout. Complaining about being pushed in boxing is a laugh.
You would be hard find to identify a fighter who on paper could beat Fury. All the heavyweights of the past were tiny in comparison to him, even 'big' George Foreman. Size matters yet he isn't just a big brute. He is extremely well rounded, has a great chin, good punch variety and brilliant ring IQ. He can fight on the front foot or back foot, comfortably fight in either stance and his fitness levels are something else.
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Was talking to someone this morning who'd be pretty knowledgeable on all things boxing. Reckons Whyte actually has a valid argument re Fury pushing him after the uppercut.
Obviously isn't knowledgeable at all then.
Whyte was sleeping before the hit the deck.
And Whyte didn't hit his head of the canvas either, no matter how many times he says so
I found the push strange myself, but things like that happen and I'm surprised Whyte complained about it given the fact that he was trying every trick into the book when in the ring. Fury has 'improvised' many times before, one that was borderline illegal that jumps out to me was the Cunningham KO.
I don't know what you lads are smoking, he's decent for the time but nothing special. He only fought 1 fighter of note Kiltschko, who was on the slide after a long reign. Who actually has he fought who he classed as above decent in other eras. He 33, who in all that time has he found to be an all time great.
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I don't know what you lads are smoking, he's decent for the time but nothing special. He only fought 1 fighter of note Kiltschko, who was on the slide after a long reign. Who actually has he fought who he classed as above decent in other eras. He 33, who in all that time has he found to be an all time great.
Can only beat what's in front of him. His unique size and movement for that size would make him an awkward match up for any fighter.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 26, 2022, 09:57:29 PM
I don't know what you lads are smoking, he's decent for the time but nothing special. He only fought 1 fighter of note Kiltschko, who was on the slide after a long reign. Who actually has he fought who he classed as above decent in other eras. He 33, who in all that time has he found to be an all time great.
Klitschko wasn't on the slide. Fury gave a master class and simply bewildered him. His resume isn't stacked but he has beat the two longest reigning champions of recent times in their backyards and hasn't looked like being beat by anybody. You could analyse the records of all great heavyweight fighters, such as Lewis and Tyson, and start picking holes in the standard of opposition they faced.
Fury won't be appreciated fully until he retires properly. He's the best of his era and is underrated in my opinion. His boxing skills are exceptional for a man of his size. Lennox Lewis is regarded as one of the best ever but I never really thought much about the men in his era. Holyfield was late 30s and Tyson was completely done.
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Fury won't be appreciated fully until he retires properly. He's the best of his era and is underrated in my opinion. His boxing skills are exceptional for a man of his size. Lennox Lewis is regarded as one of the best ever but I never really thought much about the men in his era. Holyfield was late 30s and Tyson was completely done.
People slag the standard of Heavyweights now, but its no different than other periods of time really. As for Lewis, he seems to be held in really high regard yet you could rip apart the standard of opposition he faced as well, plus he was knocked out twice and was on the way to another defeat in his last fight. The biggest names on his record were Tyson and Holyfield, who were both tiny compared to him too.
Be surprised if Taylor wins tonight but hopefully she does. Stevenson should beat Valdez too.
Serrano fav for this then?
What a round of boxing that was I dunno how Katie held on... she's gone I think though hard to see how she comes back.
Jesus but that was class Katie was unreal after that 5th round and the finish to the fight the 2 of them trading neither able to stand that was incredible what a fight.
Draw maybe fair but would be hard to complain with either of the 3 outcomes!
If it wasn't already blatantly obvious, she is confirmed as the greatest athlete Ireland has ever produced. What a win! Amazing. Such heart she showed.
Wao that was sensational.
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If it wasn't already blatantly obvious, she is confirmed as the greatest athlete Ireland has ever produced. What a win! Amazing. Such heart she showed.
Rory tho??!!
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If it wasn't already blatantly obvious, she is confirmed as the greatest athlete Ireland has ever produced. What a win! Amazing. Such heart she showed.
Rory tho??!!
Rory ;D ;D ;D
What is the standard though? It's a bit like womens rugby
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What is the standard though? It's a bit like womens rugby
Agreed.
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What is the standard though? It's a bit like womens rugby
Agreed.
Yeah depends on what the comparisons are. Are you comparing along side the likes of Roy Keane Liam Brady and George Best? Or individaul sports? Sean Kelly . If you don't break a sweat it's it's game not a sport sorry golf and snooker. ;D
Well done Katie. Irelands greatest for sure.
Delighted for her.!
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Well done Katie. Irelands greatest female boxer for sure.
Delighted for her.!
Definitely.
Ireland greatest Irish woman boxer. If Katie wasn't boxing how many people will watch it from here?
Btw I think she's amazing but I'm not convinced on the sport being recognised as top class. I watched more of the Irish ladies rugby last night than I did of Katie's fight
Well done Katie a special talent. Hopefully the rematch in Croke Park goes ahead, what an occasion that would be.
Ah they have to bring her home to Croke Park.
You'd be looking at over 80,000 and a massive payday for her.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2022, 09:30:02 AM
Ireland greatest Irish woman boxer. If Katie wasn't boxing how many people will watch it from here?
Btw I think she's amazing but I'm not convinced on the sport being recognised as top class. I watched more of the Irish ladies rugby last night than I did of Katie's fight
It's a defining moment in woman's sport though. She's done a special thing and will go down in history. Great ever Irish sports person? I'm not so sure but she's definitely up there as the most influential ever.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2022, 09:30:02 AM
Ireland greatest Irish woman boxer. If Katie wasn't boxing how many people will watch it from here?
Btw I think she's amazing but I'm not convinced on the sport being recognised as top class. I watched more of the Irish ladies rugby last night than I did of Katie's fight
It's a defining moment in woman's sport though. She's done a special thing and will go down in history. Great ever Irish sports person? I'm not so sure but she's definitely up there as the most influential ever.
I agree, and would be great if she was making good money to show for her efforts
Strange that she still hasn't went for the McCaskill rematch with the chance to be undisputed in two weights.
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Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2022, 09:30:02 AM
Ireland greatest Irish woman boxer. If Katie wasn't boxing how many people will watch it from here?
Btw I think she's amazing but I'm not convinced on the sport being recognised as top class. I watched more of the Irish ladies rugby last night than I did of Katie's fight
It's a defining moment in woman's sport though. She's done a special thing and will go down in history. Great ever Irish sports person? I'm not so sure but she's definitely up there as the most influential ever.
I agree, and would be great if she was making good money to show for her efforts
7 figure payday apparently
Watched the Stevenson v Valdez fight there. Hard to believe them boys are in the same weight division. Stevenson vastly superior as well as a nightmare southpaw, bit of a gobshite tho.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 01, 2022, 10:18:14 AM
Ah they have to bring her home to Croke Park.
You'd be looking at over 80,000 and a massive payday for her.
That would be fantastic. Would love to see it.
What a woman. Irelands greatest sportsperson by a mile.
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2022, 04:21:59 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 01, 2022, 04:13:35 AM
If it wasn't already blatantly obvious, she is confirmed as the greatest athlete Ireland has ever produced. What a win! Amazing. Such heart she showed.
Rory tho??!!
She'd box the head off him I'd reckon 😜
Im no hater of Rory but fcuk id love to see that 😃
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2022, 10:31:31 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2022, 10:19:38 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2022, 09:30:02 AM
Ireland greatest Irish woman boxer. If Katie wasn't boxing how many people will watch it from here?
Btw I think she's amazing but I'm not convinced on the sport being recognised as top class. I watched more of the Irish ladies rugby last night than I did of Katie's fight
It's a defining moment in woman's sport though. She's done a special thing and will go down in history. Great ever Irish sports person? I'm not so sure but she's definitely up there as the most influential ever.
I agree, and would be great if she was making good money to show for her efforts
7 figure payday apparently
Take out flights accommodation fees trainers managers nutritionists head coach and whatever else they use comes out of that 7 figures you think she got...
Outside of Katie Taylor I couldn't name another famous boxer other Ali's daughter and I couldn't even remember her first name.
And just because some clampits say she's Irelands greatest sports person doesn't mean she is.
It's a very small sport of which Katie is the best at her weight division nothing else
Id a fb friend said it was official that she was Irelands best ever, so theres no arguing with that 😃😉
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2022, 11:01:19 AM
Watched the Stevenson v Valdez fight there. Hard to believe them boys are in the same weight division. Stevenson vastly superior as well as a nightmare southpaw, bit of a gobshite tho.
What you mean about the weights?
Stevenson is hard to like. Had to run out mid post-fight press conference as his ma and family started a whole handling.
Great fight. A fight that lived up to the hype, probably the best women's fight I've seen.
Katie has no power and while Amanda is the smaller woman she did have more power and wasn't too far away from stopping Katie in round 5 and also dominated 6. But Katie showed unbelievable heart to come back and win the last 4 rounds.
The first 4 rounds were very tight and could have been scored 3-1 to either, or 2-2.
In the past Katie got the benefit of at least one poor decision, but a tight win was the right decision this time.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 01, 2022, 11:49:25 AM
Id a fb friend said it was official that she was Irelands best ever, so theres no arguing with that 😃😉
Case closed :D
great fight, well deserved for Katie, worked her out after tough middle rounds :D
as a role model Katie Taylor transcends sport in Ireland
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2022, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2022, 11:01:19 AM
Watched the Stevenson v Valdez fight there. Hard to believe them boys are in the same weight division. Stevenson vastly superior as well as a nightmare southpaw, bit of a gobshite tho.
What you mean about the weights?
Stevenson is hard to like. Had to run out mid post-fight press conference as his ma and family started a whole handling.
Stevenson just much bigger looking
World championship gold medals for Lisa O'Rourke from Roscommon and Amy Broadhurst from Louth
I wouldn't be an avid or very knowledgeable boxing fan, but recently started following The Loneliest Sport page on Facebook, if you haven't seen it, it's definitely worth a look. It just gives a short quote from different fighters, and I usually end up on Wikipedia afterwards reading a bit more about their lives and careers. Some really fascinating and interesting stories and characters.
There are some boxers out there with very colourful lives, with a lot of them ending up dead in tragic (or not so tragic ways too). Just think of Gatti's death which is shrouded in controversy. Add in Corrie Sanders, Edwin Valero (possibly greatest boxer you never heard of), Carlos Monzon, Antonio Cermeno, Hector Camacho, Vernon Forrest, Trevor Berbick, Alexis Arguello, Alejandro Gonzalez Jr (who knocked Frampton down twice), Freddie Mills, Sonny Liston and Pernell Whitaker. Freddie Mills life story is crazy, even the rumours about how or why he met his end.
Anyone watch "The Kings", 4 part documentary on Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Leonard. Thoroughly enjoyable watch. Duran some man for one man.
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 06, 2022, 12:20:59 AM
Anyone watch "The Kings", 4 part documentary on Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Leonard. Thoroughly enjoyable watch. Duran some man for one man.
Not seen it but I doubt you'll read a better sports book than George Kimabll's "Four Kings"
Chisora, no idea how he won that.
Is there a sport where the judges see totally different things? 116-112 and then 112-116.
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2022, 11:10:56 PM
Chisora, no idea how he won that.
Is there a sport where the judges see totally different things? 116-112 and then 112-116.
Was 'watching' the betting on it, which bid general the best you can gauge live, after round 8 they had him in front well enough, always a good indicator I feel
I thought Chisora deserved that, landed far more significant punches.
Some change in style by Conlan.
Never seen a lad slip as much as that opponent...they weren't knockdowns either. Still not convinced by Conlon but sure it'll be the bigger fights where he's properly judged
Quote from: CiKe on July 06, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 06, 2022, 12:20:59 AM
Anyone watch "The Kings", 4 part documentary on Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Leonard. Thoroughly enjoyable watch. Duran some man for one man.
Not seen it but I doubt you'll read a better sports book than George Kimabll's "Four Kings"
Thats a brilliant book. Where can you watch this documentary?
Commonwealth gold for Irish 57Kg champion Jude Gallagher from Newtownstewart. Neither semi finalist or finalist would go into the ring with him. Watch out, this guy could be Irelands next boxing superstar.
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Quote from: CiKe on July 06, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 06, 2022, 12:20:59 AM
Anyone watch "The Kings", 4 part documentary on Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Leonard. Thoroughly enjoyable watch. Duran some man for one man.
Not seen it but I doubt you'll read a better sports book than George Kimabll's "Four Kings"
Thats a brilliant book. Where can you watch this documentary?
Not sure, think it's on Prime but mightn't be free. I saw it on the dodgy box.
Anyone think Joshua will win ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 20, 2022, 05:03:58 PM
Anyone think Joshua will win ?
If he could fight like he used to he could win, hatd to reprogrammed the mind though.
What time are we expecting the fight to approx.start around?
Think the wireless reckoned a 10.30 ringwalk.
I take it we're all in agreement, AJ knocks him out or else he gets the lugs boxed off him?
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2022, 06:44:58 PM
I take it we're all in agreement, AJ knocks him out or else he gets the lugs boxed off him?
AJ will only win by KO but Usyk could win both ways. Joshua tires quicker than most unless its fought at his pace.
AJ has a new trainer?
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2022, 09:13:14 PM
AJ has a new trainer?
Robert Garcia, Mikey Garcia's brother.
Joshua far more disciplined tonight. Still needs to catch him.
Usyk just a better boxer.
Great technician. Just spoke to Brendan Rogers who confirmed this
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 20, 2022, 11:59:09 PM
Usyk just a better boxer.
That's it. I think they tried to make Joshua think more during the fight but it doesn't suit him.
Good fight. Bit more heart from AJ whereas in first fight be looked completely lost AJ can look pretty stiff against some ordinary boxers but against Usyk he looks absolutely leaden.
Split decision ffs that one judge needs locking up. What fight did he watch
Joshua had a rare sniff in the 9th and should have gone for it but alas didnt
If AJ backed up R9 he could have won but he gassed again, Usyk's best round was 10.
Joshua lettin/about to let himself down a bagful...
What is this f**king balloon doing?!
Jesus
Someone turn off the mic
He did a Kanye. Incoherent gibberish.
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2022, 12:13:50 AM
Someone turn off the mic
I had to stop watching, is he still blethering?!
Cringeworthy stuff
The drunken best man stuff.
What was the fake storm-off about?
Think Hearn probably on the money there. AJ a proud fighter, gave it everything, did better than last time but Usyk just simply a brilliant, better fighter.
Embarrassing? Absolutely. Understandable? Maybe.
Well did you all get your £26.95 worth ???
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 21, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
Well did you all get your £26.95 worth ???
Nothing a month? I can swing that.
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 21, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
Well did you all get your £26.95 worth ???
£40 for 6mths you say? Yes i think i did 😎😊
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 21, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
Well did you all get your £26.95 worth ???
Feeling robbed having paid 50 quid for an annual sub.
Joyce won well but don't think he's anywhere near elite at that weight.
Really enjoyed that scrap!!
On Joyce will be interesting to see how he does when he makes the step up against Usyk.
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2022, 11:41:56 PM
Joyce won well but don't think he's anywhere near elite at that weight.
Has a granite chin, be interesting to see how he goes. Thinks he gives anyone of the top 3 a serious fight
Donovan lucky to get the win in Belfast tonight
Quote from: JoG2 on September 24, 2022, 11:59:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2022, 11:41:56 PM
Joyce won well but don't think he's anywhere near elite at that weight.
Has a granite chin, be interesting to see how he goes. Thinks he gives anyone of the top 3 a serious fight
Donovan lucky to get the win in Belfast tonight
Not sure he's Championship level would have him 5th behind the big boys.
Looking forward to him taking on one of the big guns though. Hard to believe he was fighting someone 7 years his junior and was the one setting the pace of the fight. Parker is a certain level but is no dozer and has never been knocked out I hope Joyce can step up.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 24, 2022, 11:59:24 PM
Donovan lucky to get the win in Belfast tonight
It was a very entertaining fight. The French lad was clearly the harder hitter, was never in trouble and always seemed to finish rounds well but Donovan got through an awful lot of work and probably landed more.
There was a young local lad who got robbed in the first televised fight, so maybe that was the marker 'no hometown decisions here' that gave the bit of leeway for the big fight 😉
The ring announcer was absolutely useless. Had no idea how to announce results. It was as if he'd never seen a boxing event before.
A bit of a shit show developing for the Eubank-Benn fight. Morally I can't see how they can go ahead but money talks at that level in boxing. I dare say Benn knew what he was up to.
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2022, 03:49:35 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 24, 2022, 11:59:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2022, 11:41:56 PM
Joyce won well but don't think he's anywhere near elite at that weight.
Has a granite chin, be interesting to see how he goes. Thinks he gives anyone of the top 3 a serious fight
Donovan lucky to get the win in Belfast tonight
Not sure he's Championship level would have him 5th behind the big boys.
Looking forward to him taking on one of the big guns though. Hard to believe he was fighting someone 7 years his junior and was the one setting the pace of the fight. Parker is a certain level but is no dozer and has never been knocked out I hope Joyce can step up.
I think Joe Joyce could beat any of the top heavyweights. I would back him to beat Joshua, Wilder and Usyk and he would have a good chance against Fury too.
As for Benn and Eubank, its a joke that its going ahead. Same thing happened before with Saunders and Whyte too. The BBBC don't utilise the testing body where the results originated from, but if thats the case then why were they being tested by that body. Strange that the test from the body they do use has came back clean though. Very ironic that Hearn and Benn were on their high horse with regard to how Eubank had to comply with the contractual agreements to meet the weigh-in conditions, restricting his ability to rehydrate etc. too. There has been some change in Benn's physique the past few years, maybe we now know why.
Fight now off
Feel lousy for local lad Connor Coyle who's fight was the top billing on the undercard against Felix Cash. By chance I happened to be down at his local boxing club when the news came through that he was on the undercard. Ones scrambling to book tickets, flights and accommodation. Shit show for them. Hope they can get another big event soon.
Quote from: HiMucker on October 06, 2022, 07:14:39 PM
Feel lousy for local lad Connor Coyle who's fight was the top billing on the undercard against Felix Cash. By chance I happened to be down at his local boxing club when the news came through that he was on the undercard. Ones scrambling to book tickets, flights and accommodation. Shit show for them. Hope they can get another big event soon.
That's the worst thing about these type of situations. Eubank will be fine and even the drug cheat Benn will more than likely get another few big pay cheques down the line. For the likes of that lad it could make or break his career and his chance of earning a few bob from boxing.
This Shields/Marshall fight is a good watch
Thought Marshall's corner was crap throughout. Shields was pure Mayweather.
Wilder reannounced himself in style last night too.
Katie Taylor with a comfortable win tonight in Wembley Arena. 22 professional fights and 22 victories.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 29, 2022, 11:17:55 PM
Katie Taylor with a comfortable win tonight in Wembley Arena. 22 professional fights and 22 victories.
Would she really fill Croke Park?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2022, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 29, 2022, 11:17:55 PM
Katie Taylor with a comfortable win tonight in Wembley Arena. 22 professional fights and 22 victories.
Would she really fill Croke Park?
We'll soon find out.
Would rather the Aviva........More intimate.
Its boxin not ridin ffs
Women's boxing is a poor enough watch though. FInd it hard to believe that 80 thousand people would want to watch her, or women's boxing in general.
If they pitch it at the right price she sells out Croker no matter the weakness of the sport.
She 100% deserves it to sell out and I'd definitely go if it suited just to show my support. A total class act she deserves all the good fortune that comes her way!!
The event itself would be over hyped and that will be sufficient to sell it out. We are a nation of event junkies. If Garth Brooks can sell 400,000 tickets off belting out a few country music tunes then Katie Taylor will sellout Croker no problem with the right marketing.
The women's game just lacks a bit to be honest, rounds too short, lack of depth and the fact that there is rarely the chance of a KO takes away from the overall product.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 29, 2022, 11:59:14 PM
Women's boxing is a poor enough watch though. FInd it hard to believe that 80 thousand people would want to watch her, or women's boxing in general.
They will put on a undercard with lots of male irish fighters i think and the Irish love a piss up
it would probably be a matchroom event tho so i doubt you could get micheal conlan on card maybe they could do Gary cully v maxi hughes on it
Has big Hearn not moved to Dazn
Matchroom broadcast on Dazn instead of sky now. It'll be the likes of Cully and Agyarko on the undercard. Not sure if Eddie has any other Irish fighters on his books at the minute.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 30, 2022, 10:20:37 AM
The event itself would be over hyped and that will be sufficient to sell it out. We are a nation of event junkies. If Garth Brooks can sell 400,000 tickets off belting out a few country music tunes then Katie Taylor will sellout Croker no problem with the right marketing.
should make her fight 4 nights in a row
Tyson Fury raging out because True Geordie calls the Chisora fight for what it is.
Kind of funny, caught Fury on a bad day? or is he just a ball bag all the time lol
https://youtu.be/MgMBMvCvME4
Right last sentence
Your latter observation is the correct one MoChara.
Quote from: MoChara on November 01, 2022, 10:31:48 AM
Tyson Fury raging out because True Geordie calls the Chisora fight for what it is.
Kind of funny, caught Fury on a bad day? or is he just a ball bag all the time lol
https://youtu.be/MgMBMvCvME4
He did seem like a bit of a dick in that one, in fairness I've always liked him anytime I've hesrd him speak.
Quote from: MoChara on November 01, 2022, 10:31:48 AM
Tyson Fury raging out because True Geordie calls the Chisora fight for what it is.
Kind of funny, caught Fury on a bad day? or is he just a ball bag all the time lol
https://youtu.be/MgMBMvCvME4
I love Fury but he constantly contradicts himself, was funny watching your man rip Fury out asking him if he had figured out how to close his phone/end the call.
You can go through Boxrecs top 15 HWs and see that there are better options there, probably just don't sell as well as they aren't as well known to the general public. This is essentially a warm up fight for March/April but would like to have seen him fight Hrgovic or Ruiz, its not all about money etc. and he could do with a few decent names on his record as its pretty light when compared with Joshua for example. Joe Joyce would be the one that would have sold and would have been a big test, Warren etc. Forget that one when going through their lists. I did see something though about that being planned for next summer though.
An absolute bullshit fight the geordie lad was right to call it for what it is!
Fury isn't a straightforward character. FOr all the good things he says about mental health and life's struggles there's plenty of mad shit he's done in his career as well!!
Quote from: MoChara on November 01, 2022, 10:31:48 AM
Tyson Fury raging out because True Geordie calls the Chisora fight for what it is.
Kind of funny, caught Fury on a bad day? or is he just a ball bag all the time lol
https://youtu.be/MgMBMvCvME4
That is a fascinating interview on so many levels. The interviewer retained his composure brilliantly too despite Fury trying to bully him. Fury has major anger management issues to get so easily rattled. He is a talented boxer but I always thought he was a bit of a sc**bag who played the mental health card for his own benefit. It will be interesting to see the trajectory his career takes post retirement when he doesn't have the same level of hangers on pandering to him.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 01, 2022, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: MoChara on November 01, 2022, 10:31:48 AM
Tyson Fury raging out because True Geordie calls the Chisora fight for what it is.
Kind of funny, caught Fury on a bad day? or is he just a ball bag all the time lol
https://youtu.be/MgMBMvCvME4
That is a fascinating interview on so many levels. The interviewer retained his composure brilliantly too despite Fury trying to bully him. Fury has major anger management issues to get so easily rattled. He is a talented boxer but I always thought he was a bit of a sc**bag who played the mental health card for his own benefit. It will be interesting to see the trajectory his career takes post retirement when he doesn't have the same level of hangers on pandering to him.
His aul fella a nice guy. Sort of fella you'd introduce your parents to
Oh yeah John Fury is a charming man himself. Loves a holiday in the USA as well. I don't mind Peter Fury the uncle his interviews are usually pretty good and knows his boxing.
Quote from: square_ball on November 01, 2022, 04:07:17 PM
Oh yeah John Fury is a charming man himself. Loves a holiday in the USA as well. I don't mind Peter Fury the uncle his interviews are usually pretty good and knows his boxing.
Pete was a lovely fella around Manchester in the 80s
Saw a BT thing on with Warren, Frampton etc. What annoys me is the irrational bias promoters have for their stable. Warren has ran through the boxrec names a few times over the past weeks with a justification as to why Chisora was first available name on the list. He skipped by Joyce saying he was on holiday, which is not a reason and not one that would impact a title shot. He also excluded Ruiz as he is fighting Wilder in a WBC eliminator, in otherwords for the mandatory slot. I don't understand how the journalists never dig further into the promoters BS though. So in Warren's words Ruiz is unavailable as he is going to fight Wilder for a shot at Furys title? Surely then Ruiz would take the title shot without having to fight someone to get that title shot.
i dont know weather to like the true geordie or not.
You could tell Fury had it in for him from the start, or maybe he was just in a bad place. TG probably held back a bit there and could have poked further holes in what Fury was saying.
The True Geordie has has to apologize after he made comments about muslims directed and Andrew tate.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 08, 2022, 11:19:23 AM
The True Geordie has has to apologize after he made comments about muslims directed and Andrew tate.
Total arsehole who would run a mile if he was face to face with Tate or anyone
Im guessing Ricky Hatton is broke ?
This is sad what exactly was the point of it??
Ref should have called it by now!
Found that a hard watch.
I know he wanted to give his mate a payday, but he didn't have to beat the shit outta him.
Could have been pulled after 3 rounds to be honest.
The aftershow on the otherhand. Usyk didn't give one fcuk.
Easy night for Conlan.
Quote from: ONeill on December 10, 2022, 10:33:51 PM
Easy night for Conlan.
To be expected given the level of fighter he continues to face.
Not such an easy night for Josh Warrington. Beat on points by another Mexican. That defeat by Lara really knocked the stuffing out of him and hasn't been the same fighter since.
Quote from: square_ball on December 11, 2022, 12:06:44 AM
Not such an easy night for Josh Warrington. Beat on points by another Mexican. That defeat by Lara really knocked the stuffing out of him and hasn't been the same fighter since.
Seems to be a bit of uproar on the decision though. Same with Lopez in New York, very unlikeable fighter.
I thought Lopez edged it but was expecting a home decision. Only uproar seems to be from Warringtons dad. When Eddie Hearn isn't giving out about his own fighter not getting the decision then probably says it all. Warrington made good use of his head last night anyway.
conlan fight was a joke farce he was like 1/30 favorite the other guy 5 time euro champ but dont think being a euro champ means as much these days and that was probably when he was much younger.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 11, 2022, 01:59:55 PM
conlan fight was a joke farce he was like 1/30 favorite the other guy 5 time euro champ but dont think being a euro champ means as much these days and that was probably when he was much younger.
Yep, Euro champion means nothing and think there are even multiple sanctioning bodies who can make you the European champion too.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2022/1222/1343416-croke-park-ringfence-summer-dates-for-taylor-homecoming/
Eubank Jr. knocked stinking in the 4th after a very good 3rd round.
Would have loved to see the pair of them lose.
Yip I think Eubank was somehow the lesser of the 2 evils in that fight. He was going along OK in that fight but hadn't a clue where he was after those few punches.
As soon as the uppercut landed he was done. Ref really shouldn't have let him take more shots after the first knockdown. He didn't know where he was.
Those Smiths seem like wankers
Surprised to see Eubank hurt never mind dropped. Cutting weight catches most eventually.
Eubank senior wasn't far off the mark saying how dangerous the Benn fight would have been as Junior was cutting even more weight for that one I think.
Quote from: square_ball on January 22, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
Eubank senior wasn't far off the mark saying how dangerous the Benn fight would have been as Junior was cutting even more weight for that one I think.
True. He looked drained last night and even against Williams he didn't throw as much, especially in the 2nd half, which is unusual considering the volume and ferocity you are used to seeing from him.
Incredible fight between Beterbiev and Yarde. Beterbiev is an absolute animal.
Richie Woodhall and two of the judges smoking crack to have Yarde up at the time of the stoppage. I had Beterbiev up 5-2.
Very enjoyable fight last night. Yarde is a decent fighter but Beterbiev looked like he was going to get him sooner or later. I had to turn the commentary down after 3 or 4 rounds. Punches that weren't even landed from Yarde were getting talked up like nothing ordinary.
As for that fiasco beforehand with the YouTubers (and I'm putting Fury in that category) is it possible both could get knocked out?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/boxing/2023/02/02/katie-taylor-rematch-with-amanda-serrano-to-be-held-at-3arena-not-croke-park/
Katie Taylor rematch with Amanda Serrano to be held at 3Arena instead of Croke Park
Eddie Hearn says costs of hosting bout at GAA HQ are too high
Katie Taylor looks set to fight Amanda Serrano in the 3 Arena, Dublin on May 20th, according to her promoter Eddie Hearn.
Initial plans were put in place to stage a rematch of the April 2022 fight at Croke Park, with Taylor confirming last year that her team was pushing for the venue, but Hearn has labelled the cost of renting out the GAA's headquarters as prohibitive.
"The cost of hire, the cost of everything involved with the event is three times nearly more than staging it at Wembley Stadium," explained Hearn, speaking on The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani. "It's unbelievable, it's so frustrating.
"People will just tweet me and go, 'Shut up Hearn, just do it anyway.' It doesn't work like that, it's a business. Ultimately, Katie Taylor has her financial demands for this fight, so does Amanda Serrano, and we want to make sure we deliver them that.
"But we're so far out on that possibility with the cost of running that show, and we're out of time in terms of delivering that date to the broadcaster that we've got to move."
A fight at the 3Arena is expected to host 9,000 spectators, compared to 80,000+ at Croke Park.
How big would the demand be to watch Taylor fight?
Seems to make strange moves, been big fights out there fir her that she could have targeted over the past year or two for her legacy. She could have went after McCaskill again and had a chance to be undisputed at two weights simultaneously. Or why not go after Jonas' titles or even fight Shields.
The GAA bashers are out in force anyway and its all their fault.
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
Yeah exactly. How many tickets wouldnit even sell I wonder. Would need Conlan and Taylor both fighting to get enough interest here you would think
No chance of Conlon fighting due to his promotional links or indeed anyone who was in anyway linked to MTK. Hearn has a fairly small stable of Irish boxers and none that will put a huge amount of bums on seats. Undercards tend to be for the boxing purists anyway rather than the bandwagon jumpers.
It probably could be close to a sell out due to people wanting to attend the event rather than the actual fight. To be honest the thought of shelling out €80 for a ticket and watching from up in the clouds in the Upper Cusack wouldn't be all that appealing.
They obviously couldn't sell enough tickets.
Wembley is cheaper because the population is bigger and can support more fights.
Maybe Parnell Park would work.
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
But it's wbat the price is that is the issue. It's not like for like as Wembley is in a city with 5 other 50,000 plus venues wheras Dublin has 1, but it doesn't explain why the GAA want 1.2m a day.
ohhh the 3arena i thought it meant the aviva when i first seen it 3arena a big step down in terms of attendance you think they would try for the aviva if croke park not available.
Sure she's Irelands greatest sports person, surprised that they are struggling to fill Croke Park... Well based on a few looneys here she is!
Walks away quietly ......
Casement Park! Only venue for it!
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:14:50 PM
ohhh the 3arena i thought it meant the aviva when i first seen it 3arena a big step down in terms of attendance you think they would try for the aviva if croke park not available.
The aviva isnt available either
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 02, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
But it's wbat the price is that is the issue. It's not like for like as Wembley is in a city with 5 other 50,000 plus venues wheras Dublin has 1, but it doesn't explain why the GAA want 1.2m a day.
they dont
€400k is the price for renting Croke Park
which is less than 10% of the total expected take
Hearn doesnt want to pay for security/policing costs
he wants the GAA or the taxpayer to pay for it
Also Why is this boxing match even being entertained in Croke Park in the middle of the Championship when it could be accommodated in August September
and they also want it on the same weekend as 2 rugby european finals are on in Dublin
cue whinging then about beds pricing and availibilty
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 02, 2023, 11:04:07 AM
How big would the demand be to watch Taylor fight?
Seems to make strange moves, been big fights out there fir her that she could have targeted over the past year or two for her legacy. She could have went after McCaskill again and had a chance to be undisputed at two weights simultaneously. Or why not go after Jonas' titles or even fight Shields.
Has schooled Jonas umpteen times. Nobody has any interest in that fight, never mind it being three weight classes above her.
Shields is similarly absolutely huge in comparison. Shields has been as high as Super Middle.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/boxing/2023/02/02/taylor-v-serrano-croke-park-dispute-eddie-hearns-claims-that-cost-behind-potential-3arena-move/Speaking at the announcement that the GAA returned a consolidated surplus of €6.7 million for 2022, McKenna outlined his dealings with Hearn about the hiring of Croke Park, stating that issues surrounding who would foot the security bill were the real issue.
"So they have been in conversation with us for some time. The last time we talked to them properly was before Christmas. We would love to have the fight here. We set our stall out on that basis.
"So our rent was coming in around €400,000. I think the rent for Wembley is about Stg£250,000-£300,000 (€281,000-€337,000). The real issue here is about security costs that which we felt the promoter should carry.
"And having gone through this with statutory services and our own team, we looked at the risk analysis on the event and we felt that the amount of security that you'd need would be at the top level."
The Aviva Stadium is set to host both the Challenge Cup and Champions Cup rugby finals on the same weekend as the proposed bout between Taylor and Serrano, something McKenna pointed out in his comments.
"It's going to go to the 3Arena and I think that's a far smaller, they've got 9,000. They've done some really, really good boxing events in the past so it will suit it very well. There are going to be challenges that weekend, no doubt, in the city because the Heineken Cup final is on so you will be stretching the gardaí across a whole series of events. They are very, very good at what they do, genuinely very, very good at what they do but I mean that's something that needs to be thought about as well."
McKenna insisted that Croke Park were keen to host the Olympic gold medal winner, even reducing their costs for the event.
"The costs quoted are far less than we'd normally charge because we would have loved to have had Katie Taylor. The eyes of the world would be on us. We're never shy in bringing world class events like the Special Olympics here."
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/boxing/2023/02/02/taylor-v-serrano-croke-park-dispute-eddie-hearns-claims-that-cost-behind-potential-3arena-move/Serrano is fighting Erika Cruz for the world featherweight title on Saturday, the result of which will determine if the rematch with Taylor will go ahead. And Hearn pointed towards a potential third fight in September between the two stars of the lightweight division.
"Now we'll be in a big arena in Dublin, subject to Serrano winning and subject to tying up a deal, and then hopefully in September we revisit Croke Park," said Hearn.
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2023, 02:54:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 02, 2023, 11:04:07 AM
How big would the demand be to watch Taylor fight?
Seems to make strange moves, been big fights out there fir her that she could have targeted over the past year or two for her legacy. She could have went after McCaskill again and had a chance to be undisputed at two weights simultaneously. Or why not go after Jonas' titles or even fight Shields.
Has schooled Jonas umpteen times. Nobody has any interest in that fight, never mind it being three weight classes above her.
Shields is similarly absolutely huge in comparison. Shields has been as high as Super Middle.
The elite women fighters move up and down the weights more fluidly, maybe its due to lack of depth or how little power is a factor in this sport. Jonas has been down 3 or 4 weight divisions, and Shields has been down at LM too.
Even talk of Jonas v Shields. Others such as Serrano and McCaskill have moved up and down too. Jonas has fought Taylor as a professional and it was a close fight, same as their last amateur meeting. She now holds a lot of belts, similar to McCaskill, so why not target those titles? There would be a lot more demand to see those fights than there would for a lot of Taylors previous opponents.
Quote from: clonadmad on February 02, 2023, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 02, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
But it's wbat the price is that is the issue. It's not like for like as Wembley is in a city with 5 other 50,000 plus venues wheras Dublin has 1, but it doesn't explain why the GAA want 1.2m a day.
they dont
€400k is the price for renting Croke Park
which is less than 10% of the total expected take
Hearn doesnt want to pay for security/policing costs
he wants the GAA or the taxpayer to pay for it
Also Why is this boxing match even being entertained in Croke Park in the middle of the Championship when it could be accommodated in August September
and they also want it on the same weekend as 2 rugby european finals are on in Dublin
cue whinging then about beds pricing and availibilty
The FAI and IRFU didn't get CP for 400k, but if that's what he says that's what he says
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 02, 2023, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 02, 2023, 02:03:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 02, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
But it's wbat the price is that is the issue. It's not like for like as Wembley is in a city with 5 other 50,000 plus venues wheras Dublin has 1, but it doesn't explain why the GAA want 1.2m a day.
they dont
€400k is the price for renting Croke Park
which is less than 10% of the total expected take
Hearn doesnt want to pay for security/policing costs
he wants the GAA or the taxpayer to pay for it
Also Why is this boxing match even being entertained in Croke Park in the middle of the Championship when it could be accommodated in August September
and they also want it on the same weekend as 2 rugby european finals are on in Dublin
cue whinging then about beds pricing and availibilty
The FAI and IRFU didn't get CP for 400k, but if that's what he says that's what he says
Money was considerably more fluirseach pre the 2008 crash.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 02, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 02, 2023, 11:42:12 AM
The price is the price, if Eddie Hearn doesn't like it then the GAA are probably doing something right.
But it's wbat the price is that is the issue. It's not like for like as Wembley is in a city with 5 other 50,000 plus venues wheras Dublin has 1, but it doesn't explain why the GAA want 1.2m a day.
they dont
€400k is the price for renting Croke Park
which is less than 10% of the total expected take
Hearn doesnt want to pay for security/policing costs
he wants the GAA or the taxpayer to pay for it
Also Why is this boxing match even being entertained in Croke Park in the middle of the Championship when it could be accommodated in August September
and they also want it on the same weekend as 2 rugby european finals are on in Dublin
cue whinging then about beds pricing and availibilty
The FAI and IRFU didn't get CP for 400k, but if that's what he says that's what he says
Money was considerably more fluirseach pre the 2008 crash.
And becausethe GAA had the FAI and IRFU by the bollocks as it was that or Glasgow. But it is odd that the price has fallen by 66% in 15 years.
What do the wimmin get charged?
Lads saying the Government need to step in! So the Irish taxpayer subsidizes Matchroom Boxing??!!
The other figure today is €500k for security and other costs. How does that break down? McKenna even said that if they were to go for this there was no way there would be enough time to sell out Croker Park.
Would the licence even be granted on the 20th with the rugby on that day? Eddie Hearn is full of shite but that's his business to make noise about things.
Are we ignoring the absolute state of the Croke Park pitch and the fact this fight is due to take place in the middle of the Championship? Eddie Hearn can get to f***
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 03, 2023, 10:57:37 AM
Are we ignoring the absolute state of the Croke Park pitch and the fact this fight is due to take place in the middle of the Championship? Eddie Hearn can get to f***
A lot of GAA-bashers are happy to. It's the Grab All Association versus a cheeky chappy from Essex! If he thought it would sell out he would make sure he didn't leave money behind.
Less people in the venue means more PPV as well. How do people take these lads on their word?
it's a numbers game. Security costs are fixed, number of punters is not.
So it's a question or risk and who takes it.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on February 03, 2023, 10:57:37 AM
Are we ignoring the absolute state of the Croke Park pitch and the fact this fight is due to take place in the middle of the Championship? Eddie Hearn can get to f***
A lot of GAA-bashers are happy to. It's the Grab All Association versus a cheeky chappy from Essex! If he thought it would sell out he would make sure he didn't leave money behind.
Less people in the venue means more PPV as well. How do people take these lads on their word?
No it doesn't.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 03, 2023, 10:53:25 AM
Lads saying the Government need to step in! So the Irish taxpayer subsidizes Matchroom Boxing??!!
The other figure today is €500k for security and other costs. How does that break down? McKenna even said that if they were to go for this there was no way there would be enough time to sell out Croker Park.
Would the licence even be granted on the 20th with the rugby on that day? Eddie Hearn is full of shite but that's his business to make noise about things.
Not a hope of it happening with the rugby been on also there wouldn't be enough resources to cover both.
Look up bookings.com for hotel prices for that date and then add in the price for a ticket to the fight and food and drinks and the night would cost a grand.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on February 03, 2023, 10:57:37 AM
Are we ignoring the absolute state of the Croke Park pitch and the fact this fight is due to take place in the middle of the Championship? Eddie Hearn can get to f***
A lot of GAA-bashers are happy to. It's the Grab All Association versus a cheeky chappy from Essex! If he thought it would sell out he would make sure he didn't leave money behind.
Less people in the venue means more PPV as well. How do people take these lads on their word?
No it doesn't.
Why not? If only 9k are in the venue but around 40k would have paid for tickets, then surely they will opt for PPV?
are croke park going to relay the pitch before the spring/summer.
A live experience is completely different from watching something on TV. People are prepared to pay for the atmosphere, the history, the occasion. You can't simply say anyone who doesn't get a ticket will fork out for the PPV
On top of that, PPV is massively hit by streaming piracy these days. It's too easy. I haven't paid for a fight since Mayweather-Canelo nearly 10 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VgfmCnmPbc
Leigh Wood fighting tonight for the first time since the Conlan fight.
He should be well warned after Lara destroyed Warrington a few years ago. Conlan wouldn't really be renowned as a hard hitter and he had Wood in a world of bother in the first few rounds. I'd say Wood will be ok his bike for first half and try and wear Lara down.
Kildare man Gary Cully looked decent there.
Seemed a rushed decision to throw that towel in.
10 seconds left in the round it possibly was. But then again you're giving a puncher like Lara a clean shot at someone who didn't know where he was. Seen someone say on twitter better to throw the towel in one shot too early than one shot too late.
Right decision, his legs had gone.
It was the fact the Wood turned to his corner so sharp when the towel was thrown in that showed he was well aware of what was going on.
Scummy enough move spitting on Warrington after the fight was over!
Poor call by Davison, Wood could have saw the round out.
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Quote from: SHEEDY on February 18, 2023, 11:48:24 PM
Right decision, his legs had gone.
They weren't.
They definitely were, if the fight had gone on Leigh Wood would've been getting stretchered out of the ring. Eddie Hearn said in interview after Leigh Wood didn't know where he was, Carl frampton and Sunny Edwards just some of the ex pros praising the decision.
Wood had his hands down just as Lara was about to go back at him again. I can see arguments for both sides but I'm leaning on the side of the towel being thrown in was the right decision. 10 seconds is a long time with the power Lara has.
Fury needs to win this!
Pure muck
Nah a round left but not much happening
Fury takes it in split decision.
Should've had all 3 score cards
Quote from: gawa316 on February 26, 2023, 11:10:53 PM
Fury takes it in split decision.
Should've had all 3 score cards
I never understand how judges can score it so differently.
Wouldn't normally watch Boxing but thought it was decent and the kids enjoyed it.
Fury had clear win, don't know how that judge gave it to Jake Paul. Scrappy fight but best boxer won.
The boxing snobs on BT giving Paul no credit at all. He did rightly against a very limited pro.
Fury was the clear winner, but doesn't look like he will go beyond domestic/European level. Unless he stays in this lane, be hard to imagine him going to small arenas fighting fellow prospects for local area titles and getting 5000 for it when he can get millions fighting youtubers.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 26, 2023, 11:28:37 PM
Fury was the clear winner, but doesn't look like he will go beyond domestic/European level. Unless he stays in this lane, be hard to imagine him going to small arenas fighting fellow prospects for local area titles and getting 5000 for it when he can get millions fighting youtubers.
Rematch with Jake Paul then he'll fight KSI and then retire with £30m in the bank and do a reality show with his other half Molly Mae
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Quote from: nrico2006 on February 26, 2023, 11:28:37 PM
Fury was the clear winner, but doesn't look like he will go beyond domestic/European level. Unless he stays in this lane, be hard to imagine him going to small arenas fighting fellow prospects for local area titles and getting 5000 for it when he can get millions fighting youtubers.
Rematch with Jake Paul then he'll fight KSI and then retire with £30m in the bank and do a reality show with his other half Molly Mae
Yeah something like that. Who can blame him?
Realistically if he had any hope of being a top boxer he'd have sparked that clown out within 30 seconds.
Yeah I'd be surprised if Fury went back down to getting paid a few thousand pound for fights which fighters of his level would get at the moment when he's getting paid millions from the kind of set up from last night.
Fury isn't too bad a boxer but could you just imagine Jake Paul in against even someone at just below world level? Fair play to the both of them for making the sort of money they did last night. Bet Tommy wished he signed the contract to double his money now.
Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2023, 08:26:55 AM
Yeah I'd be surprised if Fury went back down to getting paid a few thousand pound for fights which fighters of his level would get at the moment when he's getting paid millions from the kind of set up from last night.
Fury isn't too bad a boxer but could you just imagine Jake Paul in against even someone at just below world level? Fair play to the both of them for making the sort of money they did last night. Bet Tommy wished he signed the contract to double his money now.
Thought they did sign the double or nothing contract? Either way, Tommys an ok boxer who we would never have heard of if it wasn't for his brother- would he even have got on love island? He seems a nice enough lad so all the best to him.
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Quote from: square_ball on February 27, 2023, 08:26:55 AM
Yeah I'd be surprised if Fury went back down to getting paid a few thousand pound for fights which fighters of his level would get at the moment when he's getting paid millions from the kind of set up from last night.
Fury isn't too bad a boxer but could you just imagine Jake Paul in against even someone at just below world level? Fair play to the both of them for making the sort of money they did last night. Bet Tommy wished he signed the contract to double his money now.
Thought they did sign the double or nothing contract? Either way, Tommys an ok boxer who we would never have heard of if it wasn't for his brother- would he even have got on love island? He seems a nice enough lad so all the best to him.
Tommy looked like he was shiting himself with nerves. He never agreed to the double or nothing purse bet, it was Daddy Fury came in mouthing saying he would take the bet!
Taylor fight off - Serrano is injured
Anthony Joshua seems to be increasingly losing the plot
Quote from: bennydorano on March 30, 2023, 11:42:41 AM
Anthony Joshua seems to be increasingly losing the plot
How?
Price of tickets for Katies fight range from €80-€1,500.
Quote from: toby47 on March 30, 2023, 11:51:27 AM
Price of tickets for Katies fight range from €80-€1,500.
Where is the fight?
He's on the radio doing interviews on talksport crying about how he isn't respected . What has he done?
Him/his promoter have openly admitted he's back to fight a few journeymen and get the confidence levels up.
He's a big bag of sh*te with no mental toughness to be the best, I hope this Franklin dud knocks him out
Sick listening to him yapping. His best ever moment was beating an old man in klitschko and even that could have went either way
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2023, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 30, 2023, 11:51:27 AM
Price of tickets for Katies fight range from €80-€1,500.
Where is the fight?
3Arena Dublin, tickets on sale Wednesday 5th April.
Quote from: toby47 on March 30, 2023, 11:53:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2023, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: toby47 on March 30, 2023, 11:51:27 AM
Price of tickets for Katies fight range from €80-€1,500.
Where is the fight?
3Arena Dublin, tickets on sale Wednesday 5th April.
Should sell that out, should, fingers crossed, give her a proper pay day and maybe go out on a high, nothing to prove and at 36 she isn't getting any younger and blows to the head (at any age) isn't great.
There will be plenty of pundit work and other TV work to pay the bills
When you see the price's Hearn's comments on Croke Park not working etc really don't make any sense. The only thing that make's sense is that he wasn't confident he'd draw the crowd to croke park.
His complaint's were around the fact that the extra security costs would cost a million more than wembley. But he'd have had 70,000 extra ticket sales in croke park at an average of €100 (that might be on the low side given the large premium area in croke park) plus lot's of extra merchandise extra. A sold out croke park would have generated a much higher profit.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 30, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
He's on the radio doing interviews on talksport crying about how he isn't respected . What has he done?
Him/his promoter have openly admitted he's back to fight a few journeymen and get the confidence levels up.
He's a big bag of sh*te with no mental toughness to be the best, I hope this Franklin dud knocks him out
Sick listening to him yapping. His best ever moment was beating an old man in klitschko and even that could have went either way
Think he was saying he always craved the respect of others but now is saying that won't be the case.
Of course he has mental toughness, in a hard sport and got to the top, don't do that if you are weak. What has he done? Unified the heavyweight division and won a lot of fights until the recent losses. Don't think you could label his win over Klitschko as some crap win either, Fury is lauded for beating him not so long before that. Klitschko was in top form that night and looked good. I also think he is due a tune-up fight - been in title fights since very early in his career, fought nearly all the top fighters too. Just compare his resume with Furys, night and day from when it comes to calibre of opponent.
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 30, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
He's on the radio doing interviews on talksport crying about how he isn't respected . What has he done?
Him/his promoter have openly admitted he's back to fight a few journeymen and get the confidence levels up.
He's a big bag of sh*te with no mental toughness to be the best, I hope this Franklin dud knocks him out
Sick listening to him yapping. His best ever moment was beating an old man in klitschko and even that could have went either way
Think he was saying he always craved the respect of others but now is saying that won't be the case.
Of course he has mental toughness, in a hard sport and got to the top, don't do that if you are weak. What has he done? Unified the heavyweight division and won a lot of fights until the recent losses. Don't think you could label his win over Klitschko as some crap win either, Fury is lauded for beating him not so long before that. Klitschko was in top form that night and looked good. I also think he is due a tune-up fight - been in title fights since very early in his career, fought nearly all the top fighters too. Just compare his resume with Furys, night and day from when it comes to calibre of opponent.
Bang average boxer who Fury would eat for breakfast. Fury obviously not at the level of the greats of years gone by but he's best around at the minute by a mile
is it bad undercard for joshua v franklin
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 30, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
He's on the radio doing interviews on talksport crying about how he isn't respected . What has he done?
Him/his promoter have openly admitted he's back to fight a few journeymen and get the confidence levels up.
He's a big bag of sh*te with no mental toughness to be the best, I hope this Franklin dud knocks him out
Sick listening to him yapping. His best ever moment was beating an old man in klitschko and even that could have went either way
Think he was saying he always craved the respect of others but now is saying that won't be the case.
Of course he has mental toughness, in a hard sport and got to the top, don't do that if you are weak. What has he done? Unified the heavyweight division and won a lot of fights until the recent losses. Don't think you could label his win over Klitschko as some crap win either, Fury is lauded for beating him not so long before that. Klitschko was in top form that night and looked good. I also think he is due a tune-up fight - been in title fights since very early in his career, fought nearly all the top fighters too. Just compare his resume with Furys, night and day from when it comes to calibre of opponent.
Bang average boxer who Fury would eat for breakfast. Fury obviously not at the level of the greats of years gone by but he's best around at the minute by a mile
Hardly average. Fury would definitely beat him though. Disagree with Furys standing with past fighters though, up there with any of them.
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 30, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
He's on the radio doing interviews on talksport crying about how he isn't respected . What has he done?
Him/his promoter have openly admitted he's back to fight a few journeymen and get the confidence levels up.
He's a big bag of sh*te with no mental toughness to be the best, I hope this Franklin dud knocks him out
Sick listening to him yapping. His best ever moment was beating an old man in klitschko and even that could have went either way
Think he was saying he always craved the respect of others but now is saying that won't be the case.
Of course he has mental toughness, in a hard sport and got to the top, don't do that if you are weak. What has he done? Unified the heavyweight division and won a lot of fights until the recent losses. Don't think you could label his win over Klitschko as some crap win either, Fury is lauded for beating him not so long before that. Klitschko was in top form that night and looked good. I also think he is due a tune-up fight - been in title fights since very early in his career, fought nearly all the top fighters too. Just compare his resume with Furys, night and day from when it comes to calibre of opponent.
Bang average boxer who Fury would eat for breakfast. Fury obviously not at the level of the greats of years gone by but he's best around at the minute by a mile
Hardly average. Fury would definitely beat him though. Disagree with Furys standing with past fighters though, up there with any of them.
Totally overrated imo. Furys sheer size and the fact he's an awkward f**ker to fight would probably give him a good chance hypothetically against anyone tbf.
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on March 30, 2023, 11:52:04 AM
He's on the radio doing interviews on talksport crying about how he isn't respected . What has he done?
Him/his promoter have openly admitted he's back to fight a few journeymen and get the confidence levels up.
He's a big bag of sh*te with no mental toughness to be the best, I hope this Franklin dud knocks him out
Sick listening to him yapping. His best ever moment was beating an old man in klitschko and even that could have went either way
Think he was saying he always craved the respect of others but now is saying that won't be the case.
Of course he has mental toughness, in a hard sport and got to the top, don't do that if you are weak. What has he done? Unified the heavyweight division and won a lot of fights until the recent losses. Don't think you could label his win over Klitschko as some crap win either, Fury is lauded for beating him not so long before that. Klitschko was in top form that night and looked good. I also think he is due a tune-up fight - been in title fights since very early in his career, fought nearly all the top fighters too. Just compare his resume with Furys, night and day from when it comes to calibre of opponent.
Bang average boxer who Fury would eat for breakfast. Fury obviously not at the level of the greats of years gone by but he's best around at the minute by a mile
Hardly average. Fury would definitely beat him though. Disagree with Furys standing with past fighters though, up there with any of them.
Totally overrated imo. Furys sheer size and the fact he's an awkward f**ker to fight would probably give him a good chance hypothetically against anyone tbf.
Fury has outstanding boxing skills, especially for someone of his size.
His movement is fantastic irrespective of size. He is not easy to hit.
Saying Fury is awkward is in a way disrespectful, as it's his skills, size and ring IQ that make him 'awkward'. Even the way he can effectively switch stance is a rare skill in itself, he can move and box at range or come forward and put pressure on. He has some engine and chin as well.
Fury will eventually be beaten...by himself. He ll go off the rails. Not give an F about training and will be beaten by a lesser opponent as a result. And....he ll not give an F ...
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 31, 2023, 04:41:02 PM
Saying Fury is awkward is in a way disrespectful, as it's his skills, size and ring IQ that make him 'awkward'. Even the way he can effectively switch stance is a rare skill in itself, he can move and box at range or come forward and put pressure on. He has some engine and chin as well.
Yeah maybe wrong choice of words. I'm far from an expert but definitely rate Fury.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 30, 2023, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 30, 2023, 11:42:41 AM
Anthony Joshua seems to be increasingly losing the plot
How?
Maybe a bit strong, I'll qualify my original post and say he's probably just lost his PR team around him and he's not as polished & wholesome performer as he once appeared.
Don't know what wrong with you lads, Fury a paper Tiger, fought one good fighter who was near 40.Not 1 other in his 33 fights were of the top standard, Wilder been above average but couldn't actually box.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2023, 06:15:22 PM
Don't know what wrong with you lads, Fury a paper Tiger, fought one good fighter who was near 40.Not 1 other in his 33 fights were of the top standard, Wilder been above average but couldn't actually box.
But they're all the best in his era. Hard to compare eras. Mike Tyson fought some absolute shite fighters in his era too.
Joshua has fought more of the top fighters of this era than Fury. Fury is better though and is as good as any Heavyweight ever, if not better.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 31, 2023, 06:37:50 PM
Joshua has fought more of the top fighters of this era than Fury. Fury is better though and is as good as any Heavyweight ever, if not better.
In the 'greatest heavyweight of all time', where would you rate Wilder?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2023, 06:15:22 PM
Don't know what wrong with you lads, Fury a paper Tiger, fought one good fighter who was near 40.Not 1 other in his 33 fights were of the top standard, Wilder been above average but couldn't actually box.
Can only beat whats in front of you at the end of the day. Would beat Joshua easy
Quote from: JoG2 on March 31, 2023, 07:03:57 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 31, 2023, 06:37:50 PM
Joshua has fought more of the top fighters of this era than Fury. Fury is better though and is as good as any Heavyweight ever, if not better.
In the 'greatest heavyweight of all time', where would you rate Wilder?
Arguably the greatest puncher in the history of the sport.
Shavers was the hardest hitter out there. Wilder had a good punch but is a poor boxer, was behind on many a scorecard until he stopped his opponent. Also until he stopped Wilder, Fury was seen as having a weak punch for the size of him. Could fought Josuha, hasn't, Didn't fight Joyce or Ruiz, Usyk nope. So he hasn't fought the best of the remaining crop.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2023, 11:59:32 PM
Shavers was the hardest hitter out there. Wilder had a good punch but is a poor boxer, was behind on many a scorecard until he stopped his opponent. Also until he stopped Wilder, Fury was seen as having a weak punch for the size of him. Could fought Josuha, hasn't, Didn't fight Joyce or Ruiz, Usyk nope. So he hasn't fought the best of the remaining crop.
Shavers was a big hitter back in the day, Wilder has knocked out everybody he has fought though, apart from Fury. Furys style never leant itself to power punching, but he has changed styles and fights on the front foot now. A court case was the reason the Joshua fight fell through, unless you mean recently when Hearn and Joshua's management didn't want the fight. Joyce is only recently relevant and Ruiz has never really been relevant. I don't dispute the fact that Furys record is weak with regards to top contenders though.
https://news.sky.com/story/man-dies-after-being-seriously-injured-in-white-collar-boxing-match-in-nottingham-12847263
Was a matter of time unfortunately. Terrible tragedy.
They are great fun and a great earner for Clubs and Charities. A moment like this changes the way we will look at these events again.
Joshua looking a bit robotic and timid, Franklin looking very frisky. Knockout coming somewhere
Quote from: bennydorano on April 01, 2023, 10:46:51 PM
Joshua looking a bit robotic and timid, Franklin looking very frisky. Knockout coming somewhere
Vintage Joshua so...
Couldn't knock out the nobody. I thought Joshua was on the comeback lol
Joshua wins, did most of the boxing tbf. Franklin looked like a knock out puncher waiting for the killer blow to land, never came. Dangerous looking opponent.
Did Andy Lee say Tony Bellew clocked one of Franklin's entourage in the nonsense afters ::)
Joshua really has turned into a complete dick. His post fight interviews are absolute car crash
Dirt performance. He's done.
Quote from: gallsman on April 02, 2023, 12:10:40 AM
Dirt performance. He's done.
Yip I agree. Fury would destroy him and he's not beating Wilder and Joyce either.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 01, 2023, 11:34:39 PM
Joshua really has turned into a complete dick. His post fight interviews are absolute car crash
Doesn't actually show anything, more excitement there than in the fight it's self. Was waiting on something happen which never materialised, below average fight.
It was probably the best fight on the card which shows how bad a overall card it was.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2023, 03:47:05 PM
It was probably the best fight on the card which shows how bad a overall card it was.
Same as almost every boxing undercard. Promising fighter against journeyman. Very rare that two promising unranked fighters are paired together. I'd encourage all boxing fans to give UFC a try. Once you to get to understand the rules (which most people who have only seen the odd clip dont) then you'll really enjoy. The matchmaking is miles ahead of boxing. You have to earn your way up the rankings without being fed dummies.
Who was saying Fury ducked Joyce? Jesus he's terrible.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 15, 2023, 10:51:01 PM
Who was saying Fury ducked Joyce? Jesus he's terrible.
Hard to hurt and will finish it strong more than likely when Zhang tires. Only 3 rounds down.
Joyce survived some hits there.
This is very poor from Joyce so far. He'a even slower than usual. Reminds me of the Homer Simpson boxing episode. Takes that many punches and waits for his opponent to tire.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 15, 2023, 10:53:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 15, 2023, 10:51:01 PM
Who was saying Fury ducked Joyce? Jesus he's terrible.
Hard to hurt and will finish it strong more than likely when Zhang tires. Only 3 rounds down.
He wouldn't land a punch on Fury ffs. He's so slow.
Zhang might tire.
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 10:56:35 PM
Zhang might tire.
I think he will and I'd expect Joyce to take him eventually in the next few rounds.
Fury just ducked Usyk, not Joyce.
It's like every jab Zhang hits is flush in Joyce's face.
His eye is fucked. I can't see him turning it around now.
He was well beat!
Fair play to Zhang. I thought he was going to punch himself out and Joyce would take him eventually but he lost every single round by some distance.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 15, 2023, 10:58:58 PM
Fury just ducked Usyk, not Joyce.
There must be more behind it. It must be money or something else. I can't see Fury being afraid of Usyk!
A judge had Joyce ahead????
Quote from: ONeill on April 15, 2023, 11:06:41 PM
A judge had Joyce ahead????
Unbelievable! Even having Zhang up by 1 round on the other 2 cards was a disgrace as well.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 15, 2023, 11:05:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 15, 2023, 10:58:58 PM
Fury just ducked Usyk, not Joyce.
There must be more behind it. It must be money or something else. I can't see Fury being afraid of Usyk!
I doubt Fury is afraid of him but he definitely is the reason the fight didn't happen. Apparently in December in Saudia Arabia there will be Usyk v Fury and Wilder v Joshua with the winners then facing off.
Joyce very limited. Has a great chin on him and can take a beating all day long but is slow, when the eye goes like that then it's over
This is a great scrap!!
Cracking fight, could have been given either way or a draw. 116-111 Rahkimov was a bit wide.
Tank Davis is a wrecking ball
Quote from: JimStynes on April 23, 2023, 04:59:28 AM
Tank Davis is a wrecking ball
That kind of stopping power from such a short shot is crazy. Garcia decent too, he'll be back. He's definitely more than just a social media star.
https://www.rte.ie/news/upfront/2023/0519/1384483-the-woman-who-paved-the-way-for-katie-taylor/
Haney Lomachenko tomorrow night is definitely worth staying up for.
Any streams lads??
Aye get a firestick or else sign up to Dazn it's cheap as per month then cancel
Three arena is some sh*thole, embarrassing KTs fight is there after all she's achieved. Arsehole of Dublin and nothing around it, plus a tiny capacity. Embarrassing, but wouldn't expect anything else from down there
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 20, 2023, 10:57:15 PM
Aye get a firestick or else sign up to Dazn it's cheap as per month then cancel
Three arena is some sh*thole, embarrassing KTs fight is there after all she's achieved. Arsehole of Dublin and nothing around it, plus a tiny capacity. Embarrassing, but wouldn't expect anything else from down there
Atmosphere be good enuf I'd say. Best indoor arena in Ireland?
Not hard. Some benchmark
Did nobody foresee the clash of jerseys 8)
A clash of colours like Derry and Armagh.
Katie in trouble but came back well that round!
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 20, 2023, 10:57:15 PM
Aye get a firestick or else sign up to Dazn it's cheap as per month then cancel
Three arena is some sh*thole, embarrassing KTs fight is there after all she's achieved. Arsehole of Dublin and nothing around it, plus a tiny capacity. Embarrassing, but wouldn't expect anything else from down there
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 20, 2023, 10:57:15 PM
Aye get a firestick or else sign up to Dazn it's cheap as per month then cancel
Three arena is some sh*thole, embarrassing KTs fight is there after all she's achieved. Arsehole of Dublin and nothing around it, plus a tiny capacity. Embarrassing, but wouldn't expect anything else from down there
Down where?
Katie getting more clean punches in now. Good atmosphere in The Point.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 20, 2023, 11:25:19 PM
Katie getting more clean punches in. Good atmosphere in The Point.
Ah she's getting well beat. think she will need a KO
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Katie getting more clean punches in. Good atmosphere in The Point.
Ah she's getting well beat. think she will need a KO
Improved after a slow start to get more clean punches in. Cameron a good boxer as it proved Katies toughest professional fight.
Probably fair result, Cameron won it in first half of fight.
Came back into it well but she needed Cameron to tire which didn't happen to a big enough extent. Younger, bigger, stronger.
Cracking fight. Draw wouldn't have been overly controversial but think 6-4 Cameron about right.
Dublin crowd full of arseholes booing Cameron of course.
Taylor always looks knackered and doesn't have enough variety in her work. For all Katies amateur pedigree, she always looks more of a slugger than a boxer.
That's the exact opposite of the truth. Katie's strength has always been her boxing - timing, combos, movement, footwork. They threw the stats up in the last or second last round that she was landing at 39% on 200 odd punches to Cameron's 24% on 400 odd. That's not a slugger
She's not powerful enough to hurt the best at her own weight, never mind going up to 140.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 20, 2023, 11:46:55 PM
Taylor always looks knackered and doesn't have enough variety in her work. For all Katies amateur pedigree, she always looks more of a slugger than a boxer.
Aye I know what you mean, but it always looks like she takes less punishment if you go by looking at the fighters faces. Obviously that's not the way it works, but I always find it telling on deciding on which fighter has the better skills.
Agree with Gallsman on the boos by the arseholes. Cameron deserved a lot of respect and appreciation there.
KT is an absolute Irish Superstar and hope she has few more left in her yet.
Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2023, 11:42:01 PM
Came back into it well but she needed Cameron to tire which didn't happen to a big enough extent. Younger, bigger, stronger.
Cracking fight. Draw wouldn't have been overly controversial but think 6-4 Cameron about right.
Dublin crowd full of arseholes booing Cameron of course.
Boxing crowds in Ireland inevitably full of tossers on the booze and/or gear.
Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2023, 11:51:30 PM
That's the exact opposite of the truth. Katie's strength has always been her boxing - timing, combos, movement, footwork. They threw the stats up in the last or second last round that she was landing at 39% on 200 odd punches to Cameron's 24% on 400 odd. That's not a slugger
She's not powerful enough to hurt the best at her own weight, never mind going up to 140.
Yes, those are her strengths but she doesn't fully utilise them in most fights, instead she sits in the pocket and trades. If she stuck to the strategy I'm sure her coach wants her to, she would be able to easily outbox any of her opponents.
You'll usually meet someone younger and in their prime, as you get older.
Katie was beaten in every boxing facet tonight. I had it 97-93.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 21, 2023, 12:05:30 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2023, 11:51:30 PM
That's the exact opposite of the truth. Katie's strength has always been her boxing - timing, combos, movement, footwork. They threw the stats up in the last or second last round that she was landing at 39% on 200 odd punches to Cameron's 24% on 400 odd. That's not a slugger
She's not powerful enough to hurt the best at her own weight, never mind going up to 140.
Yes, those are her strengths but she doesn't fully utilise them in most fights, instead she sits in the pocket and trades. If she stuck to the strategy I'm sure her coach wants her to, she would be able to easily outbox any of her opponents.
That's not what happened tonight at all. She tried to move and counter but Cameron just kept walking her down and trapping her because she was too big and too good for Taylor to keep off her. The strategy was losing her the fight.
Once that became apparent she changed it up and tried to stand and trade a bit more.
cully took a beaten
So much for 9pm ring walks for the Conlan fight.
Was offered two tickets tonight for free, wouldn't watch him if he was boxing in my garden
Why?
Quote from: square_ball on May 27, 2023, 09:36:30 PM
So much for 9pm ring walks for the Conlan fight.
Delay because of serious injury to defeated boxer in previous fight.
Some atmosphere.
Good luck Mick, but this Mexican is good and extremely confident
Conlan very good technically but if this boy gets him right he's toast and when he tired he probably will.
Christ, what a fight, not what I was expecting at all. Almost all out attack by both men. Conlon nicked the first 2, but Lopez got the 3rd.
Don't think this is the best ploy by Conlon, as Lopez has heavier fists.
Thinks it's going to be a stoppage win for Lopez. But fingers crossed for Mick.
Quote from: Hound on May 27, 2023, 10:08:13 PM
Quote from: square_ball on May 27, 2023, 09:36:30 PM
So much for 9pm ring walks for the Conlan fight.
Delay because of serious injury to defeated boxer in previous fight.
Some atmosphere.
Good luck Mick, but this Mexican is good and extremely confident
Heard them saying on BT after I posted that. Fair enough for the delay then.
This Mexican is tough. Conlan will have it all to do now.
Mick in trouble against this boy.
What's the story with this lad from Pearse Og?
Boom! Conlon looked quite good for a couple of rounds, better than I've seen him previously, but Lopez too strong. He could be special.
I think that was enviable after the 3rd/4th rounds. Far too strong and powerful for Conlan. Tough road back for Conlan now. That could be it for him.
Nose spread across his face.
Ultimately, Conlan can't punch and can't take punches. Stating the obvious but those are pretty fundamental flaws in the pro game. Lopez was smiling at the end of the second round the way it was going.
Kind of like Khan, Conlan loves a scrap but there's nothing left in the pro ranks for him any more. He's not good enough and will get badly hurt. Time to call it a day.
Lopez was different level, too big and too strong. Hard to know where Conlon goes now
He's 31 too. Problem for a boy like this is that it's double has made enough in boxing and maybe doesn't have a big skill set to make much money at anything else so may need to stay in it to earn a living. Although I guess he could do the promotion route like the brother or coaching route like the da.
Not sure there'd be too much money in any future fights though.
Feel bad switching over to Wood-Lara now as really don't think it should be happening but it could set up an incredible all Mexican fight.
I think Lopez is a step above even Lara.
No shame in Conlan losing tonight to a top class fighter.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on May 27, 2023, 10:50:28 PM
I think Lopez is a step above even Lara.
No shame in Conlan losing tonight to a top class fighter.
He was actually slight favourite to win
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 27, 2023, 10:35:21 PM
Lopez was different level, too big and too strong. Hard to know where Conlon goes now
Home
I hope Okolie retires after this as well. Shocking to watch.
Quote from: square_ball on May 27, 2023, 11:21:28 PM
I hope Okolie retires after this as well. Shocking to watch.
He be better at rugby than boxing. And a judge called it a draw 😂😂
Teriffic win and performance from Wood. Dunno if drained from the cut but Lara looked very poor.
Lara looked drained. Smart fight from Wood though, fair play to him.
i think it all depends does conlan have the desire to climb the ladder again maybe a cash out fight with warrington or maybe he will hang up the gloves and become a promoter with his brother,
At these weight levels there is less than 80% of what you think a boxer actually gets. Conlon wouldn't get much punditry work
Quote from: Eire90 on May 28, 2023, 12:09:44 AM
i think it all depends does conlan have the desire to climb the ladder again maybe a cash out fight with warrington or maybe he will hang up the gloves and become a promoter with his brother,
He never really had to climb the ladder again though, the perks of having TR behind you. He'll have to earn his next shot legitimately, which basically means that it will be highly unlikely that we'll see him fight for a title again.
Is there much of a career for him in promotion? Does his brother promote anything apart from cards where Conlan fights? Hardly a strong group of top fighters to promote in the country either.
What was with throwing the towel in last night.
Would a corner not wait to see if he was goin to get up before throwing it as the count would stop the fight in any event and from my mind throwing the towel in is the worst way for a fighter to have the fight ended woukd they both prefer to take the big shot and 10 count?
The couple rounds i seen he had took some heavy heavy hits, prob for the best overall
At least he stayed in the ring this time
Jude Gallagher is an amateur from Newtownstewart Two Castles Club. Won commonwealth Gold (as I was told beforehand he would do) and could be worth following in the next few years.. still only 20 and a proper rising star. Target is next years Olympics in Paris.
Quote from: WT4E on May 28, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
What was with throwing the towel in last night.
Would a corner not wait to see if he was goin to get up before throwing it as the count would stop the fight in any event and from my mind throwing the towel in is the worst way for a fighter to have the fight ended woukd they both prefer to take the big shot and 10 count?
I'd say it was in relation to how heavy handed Lopez was and to save Conlan from any further damage. Conlan wouldn't have known where he was if he had beat the 10 count and against Lopez that would have been dangerous to say the least. He wasn't beating the 10 count anyway I don't think so the towel going in didn't make a difference.
Quote from: square_ball on May 28, 2023, 11:55:03 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 28, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
What was with throwing the towel in last night.
Would a corner not wait to see if he was goin to get up before throwing it as the count would stop the fight in any event and from my mind throwing the towel in is the worst way for a fighter to have the fight ended woukd they both prefer to take the big shot and 10 count?
I'd say it was in relation to how heavy handed Lopez was and to save Conlan from any further damage. Conlan wouldn't have known where he was if he had beat the 10 count and against Lopez that would have been dangerous to say the least. He wasn't beating the 10 count anyway I don't think so the towel going in didn't make a difference.
100%.....
Throwing in the towel was the right call.....
Often the men in the corner get criticised for not acting quick enough....spot on last night!
Booth knows boxing inside out so I assume he knew that Conlan was hurt and wasn't going to get up and survive.
Quote from: square_ball on May 28, 2023, 11:55:03 AM
Quote from: WT4E on May 28, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
What was with throwing the towel in last night.
Would a corner not wait to see if he was goin to get up before throwing it as the count would stop the fight in any event and from my mind throwing the towel in is the worst way for a fighter to have the fight ended woukd they both prefer to take the big shot and 10 count?
I'd say it was in relation to how heavy handed Lopez was and to save Conlan from any further damage. Conlan wouldn't have known where he was if he had beat the 10 count and against Lopez that would have been dangerous to say the least. He wasn't beating the 10 count anyway I don't think so the towel going in didn't make a difference.
Yeah I get u but what I mean is why not see if he even tries to beat the 10 count and if he does throw the towel then. Cause there was no way he was beating the count
Quite often with a first knockdown the ref will give the fighter a chance so Booth took any doubt out of the situation. To be honest, he might even have done it earlier as it was apparent what was going to happen from Lopez landed the first upper cut. Mick was in big trouble and was landing very clean shots but they weren't remotely bothering Lopez so it was just a matter of how long.
Conlon is just a few levels below that elite level. I don't even think that Mexican is all that either. He looked awkward at times. If a power puncher who is a decent boxer as well fights him I think they would stop him.
Battle of the dickheads won by Lopez last night. Didn't see it but from reports seems like it was more comfortable than the scorecards. Taylor another former Shane Mcguigan fighter that has got worse since leaving his gym.
Watched the recording this morning, Taylor started off well enough to the mid rounds but faded after that, was surprised 2 of the scorecards were as close. Lopez is very hard to like and his showboating looks a bit designed to cover up his deficiencies.
At least Taylor can go out with his head held high - not like after the Caterrall fight which was the biggest joke points win EVER!
Judging by his post fight comments he must have been advised to take it on the chin and be a bit more humble than after the Catterall fight.
Surprised by how poor Taylor has been in his last two fights. Lopez's da is one hateful man.
Inoue has just put in an absolute masterclass v Fulton
I've never seen 1 boxer dominate another as much in a high profile pound for pound bout as Crawford did in that fight. Spence was like a rabbit in the headlights from Rd 2 on. Crawford was as fresh at the end as the start. Tough to watch such a 1 sided battering tbh
"I'm going to keep trying until I get there and I believe I will."
Michael Conlan is confident he will become a world champion and will keep fighting until he has a belt around his waist.
READ MORE: https://www.irish-boxing.com/world-title-gra-brewer-conlan-not-drinking-in-last-chance-saloon/
Quicker getting a belt around his mouth
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2023, 02:08:50 PM
"I'm going to keep trying until I get there and I believe I will."
Michael Conlan is confident he will become a world champion and will keep fighting until he has a belt around his waist.
READ MORE: https://www.irish-boxing.com/world-title-gra-brewer-conlan-not-drinking-in-last-chance-saloon/
Quicker getting a belt around his mouth
His best chance would be if Leigh Wood opted to give him a rematch. Conlan is still a big name so maybe a chance.
If he gets in the ring with that Mexican again, his career will come to a very ugly conclusion.
Mad that Conlan has had 1 World title shot, never mind two. Has beat nobody really of note.
Agree on the Crawford fight, mad how one sided it was. I thought Crawford would win, but expected it to be tight until the championship rounds.
Whoever is advising AJ should he telling him to call it a day before he gets in a ring with Wilder. This is as bad as I have seen him. Crowd booing in what is an awful fight.
Terrible fight, Fury would play with him.
Jesus lads, do you still watch this guy? How can you take him serious after so many defeats. Could yet win a Frank Bruno world title if some clown gets a lucky win or someone is stripped of their belt
Conor McGregor looked like he was having a good time anyway.
On a separate note do UFC do out of competition drug tests?
Quote from: An Watcher on August 13, 2023, 08:02:03 AM
Jesus lads, do you still watch this guy? How can you take him serious after so many defeats. Could yet win a Frank Bruno world title if some clown gets a lucky win or someone is stripped of their belt
3 defeats, hardly alot. Conlan has been beat twice by lesser fighters yet is heralded as the second coming.
McGregor has been on the roids and was out of the pool while doing so. Comes across as desperate as fcuk every time he goes to events, be that Katie Taylor fights or last night.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2023, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 13, 2023, 08:02:03 AM
Jesus lads, do you still watch this guy? How can you take him serious after so many defeats. Could yet win a Frank Bruno world title if some clown gets a lucky win or someone is stripped of their belt
3 defeats, hardly alot. Conlan has been beat twice by lesser fighters yet is heralded as the second coming.
McGregor has been on the roids and was out of the pool while doing so. Comes across as desperate as fcuk every time he goes to events, be that Katie Taylor fights or last night.
By who?!?
Usyk a nightmare to fight.
Very soft looking winning punch, maybe Dubois was totally gassed but it looked soft. I was waiting for Dubois to win by peppering the body all night after the ref saved Usyk (wrongly called low blow). Reading during the week Usyk half assed his training camp, that fight had a home town decision vibe all night. If that Usyk turns up v Fury he'll be murdered.
Dubois was running on empty by that stage. They were talking about targeting the body all week, must have saw a weakness there that will be seriously targeted from now on as he should have been counted out tonight and was badly hurt by it.
Even if the referee called it a knockdown Usyk would have tried to beat the count and probably would have (I know we'll never know for sure). It was all gamesmanship. I don't think it was low to be honest.
Dubois went down under a jab and quit. It wasn't as if he was getting a sustained beating for a few rounds. Calling for a rematch but I'd say Dubois no more wants it.
Was low, not sure why they complain about the height of the shorts, other lads shorts are just as high.
No way it was low, Usyk pulled the exact same shite with AJ, prancing about like he got hit full on in the nuts. He'll not get an obliging ref if he fights Fury as the WBC can bribe better than the other belts. And Fury will pepper the area non stop to pressure Usyk and the ref.
Shocking decision last night. See Jason Quigley very defensive over it for some reason on twitter . Fury would have smashed the two of them last night, Duibois a very limited fighter but still should be champion this morning.
Quote from: markl121 on August 27, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
Shocking decision last night. See Jason Quigley very defensive over it for some reason on twitter . Fury would have smashed the two of them last night, Duibois a very limited fighter but still should be champion this morning.
How do you know Usyk wouldn't have beat the count?
Doesn't have to be hit on the balls, that's not the rule on below the belt, actually go look it up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2023, 10:01:58 PM
Doesn't have to be hit on the balls, that's not the rule on below the belt, actually go look it up.
Who said it did?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2023, 10:01:58 PM
Doesn't have to be hit on the balls, that's not the rule on below the belt, actually go look it up.
It's a funny place to háve a set of balls though where he was hit
What is the rule? Below the navel in the balls or below the belt?
I've never seen an actual pro fight were someone has been (unintentionally) punched where your balls would generally be - maybe if u got punched in the hole your balls might get a touch!
Anyone who thinks being punched in the balls is the rule doesn't watch much boxing.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 27, 2023, 11:00:22 PM
I've never seen an actual pro fight were someone has been (unintentionally) punched where your balls would generally be - maybe if u got punched in the hole your balls might get a touch!
Anyone who thinks being punched in the balls is the rule doesn't watch much boxing.
But what is the ruling?
You aren't supposed to hit below the belly button, but the position of shorts and belts obviously makes the determination of this difficult.
Dubois did well enough, but missed his chance after the delay. He had most of that round remaining and should have gave everything he had as he wasn't going to get another chance like that where Usyk was so badly hurt. Dubois maybe didn't give up either but seemed to be finished off far too easily, a bit like Yarde against Kovalev.
id like to see dubois v joshua.
Eubank dominating Smith here. Smith possibly with ankle issues but how and ever
Dunno what was going on with Smith but he offered absolutely nothing all night. Totally dominated.
Smith's corner should have had him out of their 4 or 5 rounds earlier.
Equally, how on earth it took Eubank that long to finish him is beyond me. Woefully inaccurate at times.
Was painful even to watch Smith's ankles.
Smith was given a lesson last night. Good to see.
Not looking food for Joyce R3
Blattered again.
Night night
To be honest I don't think Joe will know if it's day or night after that beating.
Leigh Wood takes some punishment and keeps plugging away.
Complete tear up so far.
Unreal finish.
Dunno how he does it.
Wow what a finish. 4 or 5 clean shots right on the button.
https://twitter.com/DAZNBoxing/status/1710778158117491170?t=lnCzEzjkzVP9lageu39LOA&s=19
Jack Catterall beats Jorge Linares comfortably on points. Linares a shadow of his former self it has to be said, time beats us all. Hearn trying to engineer a Josh Taylor rematch.
Linares was a top class boxer at his peak. Suppose it's a good name for Cattarells CV. Taylor fight makes sense for both. His career has stalled. Similar to Frampton he hasn't got any better since he left Shane McGuigan.
Well, what's the thinking re the latest 'crossover' bout tonight? I've a free house and a firestick so will be watching.
Fury to toy with Ngannou for 6/7 rounds until Ngannou runs out of puff
Fury will you with him for 5/6 rounds so that the Saudis get their moneys worth and then if he's bothered he'll knocked him out. Firestick for me too otherwise wouldn't bother watching.
It's a joke money spinner...
Though I tell ya what I wouldn't like to be in a cage with Fury if he crossed over lol
This guy will take Juniors head off!!
Would love to see John Fury getting levelled by Mike Tyson
Anybody pays to watch this needs their head seen about.
Fury is going to have to let this go 4 or 5 rounds with all the Saudi money invested & celebrities knocking about.
f**king hell they need to streamline this for Usyk
This is a pantomime
He's already better than Whyte & Chisora
Some bit of f**king about before it started.
Jesus christ.
Just got interesting!
Quote from: bennydorano on October 28, 2023, 11:48:44 PMHe's already better than Whyte & Chisora
Was thinking the same. This fella would beat the majority of heavyweights.
Fury was 1/14 before the fight.
He's now 1/2.
This is about 1000 times better than previous MMA vs boxing match ups
Ngannou gassing a bit now
He wouldn't knock thon boy out with a post
Fury done here
Quote from: bennydorano on October 29, 2023, 12:08:56 AMNgannou gassing a bit now
Aye he's definitely feeling the pace. 19 stone of muscle uses a lot of oxygen!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 29, 2023, 12:13:51 AMQuote from: bennydorano on October 29, 2023, 12:08:56 AMNgannou gassing a bit now
Aye he's definitely feeling the pace. 19 stone of muscle uses a lot of oxygen!
He just needs to be grappling him for two rounds
Fury is in big trouble
Fury probably needs a knockout if they're doing the scoring properly.
In reality Fury will win this on points fairly wide. Saudis aren't going to let their boxing cash cow lose.
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2023, 12:17:50 AMFury probably needs a knockout if they're doing the scoring properly.
In reality Fury will win this on points fairly wide. Saudis aren't going to let their boxing cash cow lose.
Well the bookies seem to think so too
Bullshit draw incoming
Quote from: square_ball on October 29, 2023, 12:17:50 AMFury probably needs a knockout if they're doing the scoring properly.
In reality Fury will win this on points fairly wide. Saudis aren't going to let their boxing cash cow lose.
They won't be
There will be some score cards memes after this
Come on lads. This is boxing - hardly a bastion of integrity!
Redners all round
It's not overly surprising, it's a corrupt business - not a sport
A disgrace
This guy was out of the ring for 600 plus days
Point either way a fair card for me.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 29, 2023, 12:33:47 AMA disgrace
Wise up ffs. Ngannou did rightly, and far surpassed expectations, but people are getting on as if he was a clear cut winner who beat Fury from pillar to post
When fury trains and is in the mood he is unstoppable but his form can be all over the place. He struggled big time against that wallin bloke not too long ago. The disappointing thing is there was about 5 top heavy weights over the last few years but the lot of them seem to be past their peak with hardly any fights between them
It's not that your man was amazing but Tyson was rubbish and his style confused Tyson..
But you're man will make serious doh
Fury very subdued after that in comparison to how he normally is in interviews after fights. Poor performance taking all things into consideration. I don't think he done a proper 12 week camp for that fight and underestimated him completely.
I did think Fury was behind going into the last few rounds and needed at least a knockdown. Sometimes if the underdog does better than expected it clouds the judgement of how the fight is going.
Ngannou seems a class act. I'd watch him fight again. Didn't know anything about him before this fight.
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2023, 12:37:08 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 29, 2023, 12:33:47 AMA disgrace
Wise up ffs. Ngannou did rightly, and far surpassed expectations, but people are getting on as if he was a clear cut winner who beat Fury from pillar to post
Neither of them did much of anything except the knockdown there's no way Fury won that!
Ngannou a clear winner imo, probably written in his contract to get a huge bonus and play dumb if such a situation arose. He seemed to take the result surprisingly well.
I gave Ngannou 2,3 with a knockdown,5 and 8.
Fury gets 1, 4, 6,7,9 and 10.
Score any Fury round differently (perfectly conceivable) and Ngannou wins. Equally score an Ngannou round for Fury and it's a bigger winning margin.
That's how boxing works. Close fight. No robbery. No scandal tonight.
Quote from: gallsman on October 29, 2023, 12:37:08 AMQuote from: JoG2 on October 29, 2023, 12:33:47 AMA disgrace
Wise up ffs. Ngannou did rightly, and far surpassed expectations, but people are getting on as if he was a clear cut winner who beat Fury from pillar to post
Pillar to post? Settle the head lad. Ngannou won that fight. I'll side with Frampton on this one.
What would Usyk do to him, he's avoiding him with good reason.
Only thing coming outta this, is I always thought Mike Tyson would made a great trainer as he had great boxing knowledge.
Ah here, Fury won the fight all right but he has embarrassed boxing really. He was the heaviest he ever fought at and that probably tells its own story. Longterm, Fury's speed and timing wasn't there. Everyone ages differently but that looked worrying
The up side is that after last night theer is no hiding place - he has to fight Usyk now. The down side is that every MMA fighter is going to believe they can compete with top level boxers and we're in for a spate of these crossover fights.
I know he'd train differently for Usyk and his mindset would be different, but thought Fury looked a bit aged yesterday.
Those fights with Wilder has to take a toll.
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2023, 09:06:10 AMI know he'd train differently for Usyk and his mindset would be different, but thought Fury looked a bit aged yesterday.
Those fights with Wilder has to take a toll.
He'd also have a ridiculous size advantage over him.
Uysk would beat the head of him, Fury's a heavyweight who has fought only 1 decent fighter, who had been on the slide after been on top 11yrs.Hasnt fought Joshua, Ruiz, Zhang, Joyce, or Uysk, when some of those men were on top, or on the up. Boxing will be better when the Furys are off the scene. Boxing really hit a low when he's been champ.
Oh give over ffs. "Hasn't fought AJ". AJ's been a fraud from the very beginning. His signature win is over Klitschko ffs, so if Klitschko was on the slide when Fury dismantled him in his own backyard years beforehand, what does that say about his victory?
Give over, he fought nobody worth talking about but 1, any half decent fighter he avoided, and the Boxing authorities allowed it to happen.
Will Katie win back her titles or is she done?
Time waits for nobody, thought she should retired, we see where she stands after the night.
Hoping for a reversal, well beaten last time, plenty of support hopefully no issues with protesters taking advantage of the attention around the place?
No calls on social media I take it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 07:40:40 PMHoping for a reversal, well beaten last time, plenty of support hopefully no issues with protesters taking advantage of the attention around the place?
No calls on social media I take it?
This is higher than Katie's proper weight, and even if she loses she's still beWorld Champ at her proper weight.
I have a few quid on Chantelle to win inside the distance at 9/1. But with 2 min rounds, it's harder to get a stoppage, so most likely outcome is Chantelle on points. But would be amazing if Katie can turn it around against the bigger woman and get the decision.
The weights don't seem to be too big a factor in women's boxing. Taylor is likely to lose, she doesn't seem to use her boxing as much as she should and is constantly slugging.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 25, 2023, 08:29:58 PMThe weights don't seem to be too big a factor in women's boxing. Taylor is likely to lose, she doesn't seem to use her boxing as much as she should and is constantly slugging.
Why would you say that? I thought the weight difference was the key factor in the first fight. Chantelle looked a much bigger fighter. Katie's boxing skills couldn't negate the size difference. I agree she does get drawn into slugging, but I thought the fight was already gone at that stage.
At least Katie will have longer preparation to fill out at the weight this time, and looks in great shape, but Chantelle thinks Katie can't hurt her and I find it hard to disagree
You only have to look at the jumping up and down by the like of Jonas, McCaskill, Serrano etc. to see that the weight isn't as big a factor. Maybe it's the lack of power involved.
Katie's boxing skills weren't shown last time, she spent too much time on the ropes also. My slugging comment is applicable to most of her fights though, doesn't look like the elite boxer in most contests.
What time should I turn the dodgy stick my legally bought stream on at then for the Taylor fight?
Think this is the last fight before Katie I'd reckon it'll start around half 10.
Terrific fight. Katie much better than in first fight already but Cameron landing plenty as well.
That's a pretty a nasty looking cut Cameron has.
Katie winning this fight thus far though Cameron the younger fighter will be looking to finish the stronger
4-1 KT at halfway point for me, maybe 3-2.
Would like to see a better replay of the slip/knockdown. Think she might have got G with one.
It's a better performance and probably neck and neck
Bitta aul holding but frustrating her rightly
Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2023, 09:30:07 PMWhat time should I turn the dodgy stick my legally bought stream on at then for the Taylor fight?
Good to see people paying full whack for PPV :-X
Cameron looking stronger and fresher come the final rounds. Taylor taking a breather maybe. Almost certainly didn't win the 8th but steal 9 or 10 and I think she has it.
There it is, surely won the 9th.
Stays up here and she surely has it
Katie Taylor the winner by at least two rounds for me.
Judges can sometimes come up with bizzare point scoring so a wait and see.
Could be 7-3, 6-4 Taylor or even 5-5 for me. Some very close rounds.
Terrific fight. Katie looked the best she has in years and fought smartly. A lot of tactical holding in the second half of the fight.
That just needed the rocky song at the ringing of the bell at the end
Great fight and atmosphere. Katie proved her doubters wrong like any great boxer has in the past. Delighted for her.
That was f**king phenomenal!
I didn't give her a chance after the last time but the bravery to come back and overturn it like that is something else.
The definition of a hero and role model I'm so delighted that she was able to do it.
The atmosphere in there sounded crazy it would have been some occasion!
One of the judges went for a draw? At least the other two called the fight as it was. Well done Katie Taylor that win simply adds to her legacy.
Trilogies hold a special place in boxing lore. Surely we'll get one here. Majority decision for each of them in close, terrific, brutal fights.
Incredible performance and comeback from Taylor. An icon.
Needs to go out on a high now
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 25, 2023, 11:19:35 PMOne of the judges went for a draw? At least the other two called the fight as it was. Well done Katie Taylor that win simply adds to her legacy.
Several of the rounds very close. A draw a fairer card than the 98-92 one.
Thon one trying to hog the highlight needs to get out of the ring
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2023, 11:23:20 PMThon one trying to hog the highlight needs to get out of the ring
It's her ma.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 25, 2023, 11:19:35 PMOne of the judges went for a draw? At least the other two called the fight as it was. Well done Katie Taylor that win simply adds to her legacy.
In fairness another judge was the difference of one round between calling it a draw. 6-4 seemed about right in favour of Taylor.
We'll see a deciding fight in the New Year you would think. Eddie Hearn be a happy man.
Croke Park getting a good plug. Will GAA HQ make more of effort to make it happen?
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 25, 2023, 11:26:35 PMCroke Park getting a good plug. Will GAA HQ make more of effort to make it happen?
Eddie being Eddie, i.e. a p***k.
Croker is there for him if he wants to pay the going rate for it, just like last time. He wants it subsidised.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 25, 2023, 11:26:35 PMCroke Park getting a good plug. Will GAA HQ make more of effort to make it happen?
Will Eddie Hearn pay the security bill? So many questions.
Katie was clear winner, what was judge watching that had it a draw . Brilliant fight
Great fighting spirit by Taylor.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 25, 2023, 11:28:48 PMKatie was clear winner, what was judge watching that had it a draw . Brilliant fight
Brilliant fight, fair play to Taylor. Those 3/4/5 punch combos landing round after round when needed.
My immediate reaction is she doesn't need a Croke Park end trilogy, the atmosphere there 2nite was mental, the fight was fantastic, it won't be topped imo - making mega retirement ££ is another matter tho.
The greatest sportsperson Ireland has ever produced does it again.
Two weight undisputed now, some legacy.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 25, 2023, 11:43:07 PMThe greatest sportsperson Ireland has ever produced does it again.
Troll
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 25, 2023, 11:43:07 PMThe greatest sportsperson Ireland has ever produced does it again.
Obviously never heard of Cascarino!!
Quote from: bennydorano on November 25, 2023, 11:39:47 PMMy immediate reaction is she doesn't need a Croke Park end trilogy, the atmosphere there 2nite was mental, the fight was fantastic, it won't be topped imo - making mega retirement ££ is another matter tho.
CP could backfire on them. Atmosphere there tonight belies the fact that they struggled to sell the fight out.
I remember when Andy Lee was supposed to get his homecoming in Limerick against BJS and the interest simply wasn't there to put it on in the Gaelic Grounds and he ended up having to go to Manchester.
if they ever do croke park it needs to be an irish supercard mick conlan needs to be on it persuming he wins next week and other irish fighters.
Plus there's 5 concerts scheduled in Croke Park for 2024. Are they allowed many more than that?
Eddie will find he can't just shoot his mouth off and click his fingers in this one and Croke Park gets sorted. He'll put big pressure on the government in order to offset any potential loss he may take on the fight maybe not selling out. He'll have his corporate sponsor at Forged Irish Stout doing the same.
Agree. Is there a tougher sport?
Probably greatest Irish sportsperson of all time, who else is in the same sentence?
Why would Aviva not be in the mix if CP was either booked out or wouldn't fill?
Quote from: bannside on November 26, 2023, 12:23:08 AMAgree. Is there a tougher sport?
Probably greatest Irish sportsperson of all time, who else is in the same sentence?
Why would Aviva not be in the mix if CP was either booked out or wouldn't fill?
Niche upon niche.
No chance it would fill Croke Park, and the promoter should be paiding Any security fees, etc if by chance it does happen!
Irelands greatest female boxer. Anything else is subjective.
Why was the knockdown not given in the 2nd? Looked fine.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 26, 2023, 01:22:50 AMIrelands greatest female boxer. Anything else is subjective.
Why was the knockdown not given in the 2nd? Looked fine.
Hard to know - clip here shows Cameron possibly stepping on her foot. I thought it was ok at the time as well.
Super fight, but seriously, how can two judges score it so differently, 6 points is a big margin.
Two Fighters at the top of their game going hammer and tongs, and by the sounds of it, want to do it again, beat the best to be the best...meanwhile back in the men's heavyweight division zzz zzz zzz ::)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 26, 2023, 01:07:46 AMNo chance it would fill Croke Park, and the promoter should be paiding Any security fees, etc if by chance it does happen!
Whatever it costs the spectators/viewers will end up paying for it anyway
I didn't even know the fight was on until,I saw Eddie Hearn commenting on the trouble the other night and wondered what it had to do with him
Yeah, but what is the capacity for croker for boxing? I assume the hill wouldn't be in use so you're chatting the other end and whatever stand they put up? 40/50k?
Quote from: Square Ball on November 26, 2023, 11:53:43 AMSuper fight, but seriously, how can two judges score it so differently, 6 points is a big margin.
Some rounds were tight I guess but I have only viewed the 15min highlight video.
Each round is generally scored 10-9 to the winner of that round even if the round was even enough. A boxer would have to totally batter the opponent for the round to be scored 10-8.
Had the 'knockdown' been judged, would it have meant a point deduction from Katie or the round being awarded to Chantelle 10-8 regardless of Katie having the better of the round?
Quote from: Main Street on November 26, 2023, 01:18:17 PMQuote from: Square Ball on November 26, 2023, 11:53:43 AMSuper fight, but seriously, how can two judges score it so differently, 6 points is a big margin.
Some rounds were tight I guess but I have only viewed the 15min highlight video.
Each round is generally scored 10-9 to the winner of that round even if the round was even enough. A boxer would have to totally batter the opponent for the round to be scored 10-8.
Had the 'knockdown' been judged, would it have meant a point deduction from Katie or the round being awarded to Chantelle 10-8 regardless of Katie having the better of the round?
It would be very rare for a knockdown round not to be scored a 10-8 round. Looking at the scorecards it wouldn't have made a difference to the overall decision as all 3 gave it to Cameron anyway.
Only two gave the first to Cameron. Wouldn't have changed the result but was a definite knockdown and as you said, you can win a round comfortably, but get knocked down and its a 10-8 against you.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 26, 2023, 02:34:32 PMOnly two gave the first to Cameron. Wouldn't have changed the result but was a definite knockdown and as you said, you can win a round comfortably, but get knocked down and its a 10-8 against you.
Yeah sorry you're right the 98-92 card gave the first to Taylor.
Quote from: Square Ball on November 26, 2023, 11:53:43 AMSuper fight, but seriously, how can two judges score it so differently, 6 points is a big margin.
Simply can't tell with judges in boxing. It wasn't a draw nor was Katie 6 points the better fighter last night however two of those judges thought different. One declared Taylor two points the winner and that was spot on IMO.
Taylor lucky to not get points deducted for constant holding. She is a brilliant role model and sportsperson, but there are too many times where it's like charity boxing where she just stands and flails with her opponent as opposed to hitting and not being hit. She also spends a lot of tye later rounds in every fight staggering about.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 26, 2023, 08:18:15 PMTaylor lucky to not get points deducted for constant holding. She is a brilliant role model and sportsperson, but there are too many times where it's like charity boxing where she just stands and flails with her opponent as opposed to hitting and not being hit. She also spends a lot of tye later rounds in every fight staggering about.
I thought she was in more danger of a deduction for leading with the head. It happened a lot in the first few rounds.
Not sure about the knockdown you don't normally get one from a jab but it's possible if she was caught in the right spot.
I think she was just caught off balance, it was more of a push than a jab, still it's a knockdown. Hard to credit in a fight where boxers are battering each other to bits, that such a harmless knockdown would cost you the round by 2 points. It looked so accidental and with Katie popping back up instantly, could it be that the ref just didn't deem it worthy of a knockdown and subsequent points penalty?
Quote from: Main Street on November 27, 2023, 12:13:38 AMI think she was just caught off balance, it was more of a push than a jab, still it's a knockdown. Hard to credit in a fight where boxers are battering each other to bits, that such a harmless knockdown would cost you the round by 2 points. It looked so accidental and with Katie popping back up instantly, could it be that the ref just didn't deem it worthy of a knockdown and subsequent points penalty?
According to Talk Sport, Katie Taylor v Arva @ Croke Pk in the spring
Quote from: Main Street on November 27, 2023, 12:13:38 AMI think she was just caught off balance, it was more of a push than a jab, still it's a knockdown. Hard to credit in a fight where boxers are battering each other to bits, that such a harmless knockdown would cost you the round by 2 points. It looked so accidental and with Katie popping back up instantly, could it be that the ref just didn't deem it worthy of a knockdown and subsequent points penalty?
If she gets punched and she goes down, it's a knockdown. If she's off balance and a punch puts her down, it's a knockdown. Ref can't decide a punch wasn't forceful enough to put her down and therefore rule it not a knockdown.
Ref must have decided it was either a slip (hard to see how as she definitely got tagged) or she tripped as Cameron may have stood on her foot.
Knockdowns are hard to achieve hence the reward score wise. Doesn't matter how heavy the punch or fall was. I remember Yarde, Dubois and Brook both getting knocked out with jabs too.
Good win for McComb
Can't see McKenna surviving 10 rounds here.
Mckenna just a human punching bag. The East Belfast guy just way more powerful
Where is this on?
Thanks.
Mc Kenna never won a round, he took some punishment, Crocker looks the part, be interesting to see what level he reaches.
Conlon entrance music absolute dung. You need something to hype the crowd up.
Zero defence, WTF was the new trainer at
Quote from: bennydorano on December 02, 2023, 10:55:47 PMZero defence, WTF was the new trainer at
At some stage, you can't blame the trainers. Conlan is fairly chinny unfortunately.
Not that it's news to anyone, but Conlan just ain't world class, or even close to it.
Problem is neither is Gill, and he hurt him badly. Better fighters don't let Conlan out of that round.
This could be very ugly
I thought the Mexican finished his career the last time tbh. That was a brutal knockout.
Like McKenna in previous fight, Conlon just doesnt have enough power at this elite level to put manners on his opponents. Very hard to see how he wins this.
He's done well to survive 4 rounds tbh. Looked very unsteady too many times.
Gill fancies this now. He looked a decent prospect when he came onto the scene but has come up short at European level.
Even when he has some good spells, Gill is hurting him with some big shots.
Conlan has always been a stylish, technically excellent boxer, but in the pro game, the combination of a dodgy chin and inability to carry real power in your punches is just a recipe for disaster long before you get to world title level.
Conlan is a bit powder puff but he's firing off plenty of shots. He'll probably get chinned b4 it's over tho
Cheeky elbow after the bell there from Conlan.
Only a matter of time before that happened. Don't think Gill is anything special but Conlan just hasn't taken the jump from Amateur to Pro well.
That's it for conlan. All the skills and technique to get to the top at amateur level, but not enough power or punch resistance to make it at the top of the professional game
Has given us some great nights
Stopped a bit early there I felt. Thats Conlon done, not sure where he goes from here. MCkenna in previous fight will be a decent journey man for up and coming fighters, Conlon doesn't have that luxury
How much would he make from tonight there?
That's that for Conlan unfortunately. Very good amateur just not cut out as a world level pro. It's a tough game.
Probably a correct stoppage.
That should be that. Gill is marked up so much worse than Conlan and was never close to being hurt. Conlan looked wobbled in pretty much every round after the first.
Got as much out of his career as I think he could have. Would hate to see him keep chasing it.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 02, 2023, 11:09:31 PMConlan is a bit powder puff but he's firing off plenty of shots. He'll probably get chinned b4 it's over tho
This is the problem in a nutshell - all those punches will end up counting for relatively little if you can't hurt your opponent and he's good enough to hurt you with his own.
Conlan a better technical boxer than probably 99% of fighters out there. That's just not enough though.
Premature stoppage but Conlan seems to have no punch resistance anymore.
He's done.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 02, 2023, 11:20:22 PMPremature stoppage but Conlan seems to have no punch resistance anymore.
Correct stoppage. Conlan didn't even complain, he was mentally checked out.
Nothing wrong with the stoppage at all. Was badly hurt, Gill was piling it on and he was offering nothing.
Well beat. Think it's time for Mick to hang them up. He was a great amateur but he has never really impressed as a pro.
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2023, 11:19:56 PMQuote from: bennydorano on December 02, 2023, 11:09:31 PMConlan is a bit powder puff but he's firing off plenty of shots. He'll probably get chinned b4 it's over tho
This is the problem in a nutshell - all those punches will end up counting for relatively little if you can't hurt your opponent and he's good enough to hurt you with his own.
Conlan a better technical boxer than probably 99% of fighters out there. That's just not enough though.
Look at Leigh Wood. Warrington was boxing the ears off him for 6 rounds and one punch changed it all. A big puncher can get himself out of some trouble.
McKenna announces his retirement this morning and be very surprised if Conlan didn't follow suit at some stage.
Is there many Irish boxers that could fill a potential undercard for a Croke Park fight for Taylor?
Quote from: square_ball on December 03, 2023, 10:45:35 AMMcKenna announces his retirement this morning and be very surprised if Conlan didn't follow suit at some stage.
Is there many Irish boxers that could fill a potential undercard for a Croke Park fight for Taylor?
Lewis Crocker?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: square_ball on December 03, 2023, 10:45:35 AMMcKenna announces his retirement this morning and be very surprised if Conlan didn't follow suit at some stage.
Is there many Irish boxers that could fill a potential undercard for a Croke Park fight for Taylor?
Lewis Crocker?
Looked good last night, bit of power behind him. Undefeated as well
sean mccomb
Quote from: Christmas Lights on December 03, 2023, 01:20:44 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: square_ball on December 03, 2023, 10:45:35 AMMcKenna announces his retirement this morning and be very surprised if Conlan didn't follow suit at some stage.
Is there many Irish boxers that could fill a potential undercard for a Croke Park fight for Taylor?
Lewis Crocker?
Looked good last night, bit of power behind him. Undefeated as well
Would prepare a lot of his following in getting used to GAA stadiums lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 03, 2023, 11:35:23 AMQuote from: square_ball on December 03, 2023, 10:45:35 AMMcKenna announces his retirement this morning and be very surprised if Conlan didn't follow suit at some stage.
Is there many Irish boxers that could fill a potential undercard for a Croke Park fight for Taylor?
Lewis Crocker?
Callum Walsh has gained a strong following in the US by being backed by Dana White.
Paddy Donovan talented.
The Belfast big fight nights over for a while? Frampton, Burnett and Conlan have kept it going for over a decade
You kind of feel a bit for Conlan. It must be very tough to put your life into being the best at something to realise that you just aren't good enough. I almost think this happened a while ago with the Nottingham fella and he has been drifting since and hasn't got it back.
Quote from: NotedObserver on December 03, 2023, 02:57:52 PMPaddy Donovan talented.
The Belfast big fight nights over for a while? Frampton, Burnett and Conlan have kept it going for over a decade
agaryko mccomb mcrory crocker dont know if they could sell out sse tho
you could put a southern fighter on belfast card too like cully with decent undercard.
Joe Ward looks the best out there currently.
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2023, 08:49:17 PMGood win for McComb
I've been impressed with him since the Gavin Gwynne fight. How far could he go?
Surely that will do Conlon now?
talks of Matchroom doing a show in limerick with paddy donovan headlining what venues in limerick would be big enough to use i dont think hes thomond park material yet untill he fights for a world title.
Quote from: NAG1 on December 04, 2023, 09:36:40 AMSurely that will do Conlon now?
for his own good I hope so
Quote from: toby47 on December 04, 2023, 09:09:48 AMQuote from: ONeill on December 02, 2023, 08:49:17 PMGood win for McComb
I've been impressed with him since the Gavin Gwynne fight. How far could he go?
He's european level at best
Quote from: tintin25 on December 04, 2023, 05:13:26 PMQuote from: toby47 on December 04, 2023, 09:09:48 AMQuote from: ONeill on December 02, 2023, 08:49:17 PMGood win for McComb
I've been impressed with him since the Gavin Gwynne fight. How far could he go?
He's european level at best
Agree with that - wont get close to any sort of World Title.
Will Conlan hang around to get a place on the CP card with Katie?
Quote from: Taylor on December 05, 2023, 08:22:31 AMQuote from: tintin25 on December 04, 2023, 05:13:26 PMQuote from: toby47 on December 04, 2023, 09:09:48 AMQuote from: ONeill on December 02, 2023, 08:49:17 PMGood win for McComb
I've been impressed with him since the Gavin Gwynne fight. How far could he go?
He's european level at best
Agree with that - wont get close to any sort of World Title.
Will Conlan hang around to get a place on the CP card with Katie?
Be fairly foolish if he did given the chances of that card happening.
Quote from: gallsman on December 05, 2023, 08:36:21 AMQuote from: Taylor on December 05, 2023, 08:22:31 AMQuote from: tintin25 on December 04, 2023, 05:13:26 PMQuote from: toby47 on December 04, 2023, 09:09:48 AMQuote from: ONeill on December 02, 2023, 08:49:17 PMGood win for McComb
I've been impressed with him since the Gavin Gwynne fight. How far could he go?
He's european level at best
Agree with that - wont get close to any sort of World Title.
Will Conlan hang around to get a place on the CP card with Katie?
Be fairly foolish if he did given the chances of that card happening.
Agree, and who would he even fight on that card?
Another show coming to Belfast 27th January apparently.
Lewis Crocker headlining. Sean McComb & Tommy McCarthy also touted to be on the card.
Dubois beats Miller in Saudi
Very good performance, looked wrecked in the 3rd or 4th and Miller was looking strong, walking through everything Dubois threw. Wonder if HW will ever apply a limit, big deal made out shen a boy has a few lbs on another yet at HW you can have an opponent 6 stone heavier and it's deemed fair.
There's still Super heavy weight in the amateurs. I can remember Super heavy weight fights in the pros
From wiki -
The super heavyweight division was introduced because the general increase in the weight of top heavyweights throughout the 20th century meant that the heavyweight division became excessively broad, with the smaller men having little chance of competing effectively. Therefore, the bigger men were split off into the new super heavyweight division. Professional boxing also made this split, but instead of renaming the unlimited division, it introduced the cruiserweight division for the smaller heavyweights, and continued to call the unlimited division heavyweight.
Ronaldo drawing the short straw sitting beside McGregor.
Saudi has a great outlet in boxing. Money wins the day.
Saudi boxing is brilliant. Amazing spectacles, great fights and brilliant fight times.
Be brilliant to see the back of US fights in the middle of the night, but so far the Saudi's only seem interested in the heavier weights.
Parker looking good here but Wilder just needs to get lucky once
Wilder in big trouble
Eddie Hearn the one panicking the most here. No one will want to see AJ v Wilder if this goes Parker's way.
Wilder gonna have to land a haymaker.
Delighted for Andy Lee. Has shown himself on multiple occasions now to be a terrific trainer.
Wilder as limited as he's always looked, but tonight looked old, slow and pretty short on heart.
Terrific, statement win for Parker. Perfect game plan, executed perfectly. Deserves all the success he gets. Always comes across as a thoroughly decent and likable sort
Parker was excellent, Wilder woeful, like a boy who has checked out and was there for the payday. Andy Lee getting a lot of credit for the tactics.
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2023, 10:51:08 PMDelighted for Andy Lee. Has shown himself on multiple occasions now too be a terrific trainer.
Wilder as limited as he's always looked, but tonight looked old, slow and pretty short on heart.
Terrific, statement win for Parker. Perfect game plan, executed perfectly. Deserves all the success he gets. Always comes across as a thoroughly decent and likable sort
Alot of time for Andy Lee. Superb from Parker. Wilder and Fury's professional records don't stand up to much scrutiny. Ortiz and Klitschko between them apart from their trilogy
What time the John Fury / Mike Tyson fight ?
With the billions and billions they have could the Saudis not pay a few thousand boxing fans to come in and make a bit of noise? Atmosphere is pathetic.
Impressive enough from Joshua.
Yeah best he's looked since before his loss to Ruiz. Not sure who he faces now? That Wilder defeat has made a mess of things.
Joshua looked sharp tonight, looked like the old Joshua, no hesitation and was attacking with speed and power. His movement was very good too and he threw the straight right to the body often too. Davison seems to be a very good coach, maybe he has helped Joshua get over his demons.
Davidson was dumped by Fury while back
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 24, 2023, 10:14:02 AMDavidson was dumped by Fury while back
He went after Fury v Wallin, with John Fury leading the charge to have him removed.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 24, 2023, 04:52:26 PMQuote from: Jim Bob on December 24, 2023, 10:14:02 AMDavidson was dumped by Fury while back
He went after Fury v Wallin, with John Fury leading the charge to have him removed.
And John not happy with the. Urgent American trainer either. John should just disappear. Total gub
That's a good win for Paddy Donovan that. The Argentine chap was game and looked dangerous but in the end Donovan was too quick and precise.
If Crocker can get the job done in the main event, it might set up a cracking scrap between the two at welterweight.
I like the look of Crocker. He can box and looks like he is a heavy puncher as well. Tough division but he has a chance of going pretty far.
I'd say that will be the end of Tommy McCarthy. He was unlucky that a few big fights for him fell through but like his mate Tyrone McKenna he was short of world level anyway.
Crocker looked tidy. Hard to know what he'd be like on the world stage.
Fury v Usyk off after Fury sustained a "cut" in training ::)
Fury the biggest buffer going in boxing, literally ducks and dives dangerous boxers.This fight was supposed to happen a year ago.
Who do you think the dangerous fighters are he ducked and dived?
I've been a Fury fan since I first came across him and while his record is pretty light compared to AJs etc., there is no way he is ducking anybody, especially this close to a fight he was getting probably 50 million for.
If it had have been say a muscle injury and it was a few weeks ago I think you can make the accusation that he was ducking this one. But it did look pretty bad in the pictures. From the talk this morning it could be October time at the earliest before this fight happens.
However there is always a tweet that gets pulled from the archives ;D
https://x.com/tyson_fury/status/381572514620923904?s=46
Quote from: square_ball on February 03, 2024, 11:13:56 AMIf it had have been say a muscle injury and it was a few weeks ago I think you can make the accusation that he was ducking this one. But it did look pretty bad in the pictures. From the talk this morning it could be October time at the earliest before this fight happens.
However there is always a tweet that gets pulled from the archives ;D
https://x.com/tyson_fury/status/381572514620923904?s=46
I take it that was the Haye Hrgovic incident.
Zhang is a big useful unit. Couldn't see Fury seeking him out
Parker's recovered well from the early knock down
Parker was doing well there until that second knockdown, Zhang has so much power
Atmosphere not the best, more celebrities than ordinary Joe supporters in attendance?
Parker wins by majority decision after 2 knockdowns. Kudos to Joe 👏
Atmosphere is non existent! No larger louts
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 09, 2024, 12:00:54 AMAtmosphere not the best, more celebrities than ordinary Joe supporters in attendance?
mostly just rich lads. This whole thing is just sports washing, they don't really care about boxing.
That was a joke... to be fair I'm not sure why that didn't happen with Fury!
That was a bit one sided. Hope the fella is ok.
Joke how shite Fury was the first night maybe. AJ very impressive 2nite.
Jesus that was a heavy knockout!
Quote from: screenexile on March 09, 2024, 12:39:04 AMJesus that was a heavy knockout!
Frightening! AJ is looks impressive atm. Fury is done
Imagine what Tyson could do to that Jake Paul clown
Jesus Joshua is some wally, absolute dose
Amazing how the Brits think this was impressive by AJ. Never fail to amaze me.
That was impressive by AJ. Man has found his mojo again.
Anthony Joshua is part Irish
Quote from: ONeill on March 09, 2024, 12:57:57 AMAmazing how the Brits think this was impressive by AJ. Never fail to amaze me.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 01:18:34 AMThat was impressive by AJ. Man has found his mojo again.
:)
It's only seen as impressive because Fury was clearly not interested first time around.
That's exactly how Ngannou should fare against a heavyweight contender. You can read very little into how AJ will do in his next fight against an actual boxer!
Lad not a boxer, simple as that.This constant invasion by UFc, celebrities, you tubers into boxing has made a mess of it.
Quote from: screenexile on March 09, 2024, 01:25:27 PMIt's only seen as impressive because Fury was clearly not interested first time around.
That's exactly how Ngannou should fare against a heavyweight contender. You can read very little into how AJ will do in his next fight against an actual boxer!
What about his last one? His rehabilitation is going rightly.
If Fury loses to Usyk (on current form it's likely) a Battle of Britain blockbuster is surely on the cards - belts or not. No point AJ fighting Usyk again but him v Fury would be worth watching.
Boxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBoxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Beating Ngannu, who isnt a boxer, and Wallin doesnt mean he could beat Usyk or Fury
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBoxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Don't he has the mentality to beat either, which is a pity as I would love to see him beat Fury all around the ring.
I don't think either Fury or AJ are beating Usyk as things stand at the moment.
If Furys head is in the right place he'd beat AJ blindfold. If he fucks about like he did against Ngannou AJ could beat him. Wonder will the Usyk fight actually happen this time.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 11, 2024, 10:12:25 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBoxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Beating Ngannu, who isnt a boxer, and Wallin doesnt mean he could beat Usyk or Fury
Well said. All these fan boys on here talking about AJ getting his mojo back, ffs catch yourselves on. This is why casual fans should just watch these sports and not gibe their opinions
Quote from: bennydorano on March 09, 2024, 12:43:41 AMImagine what Tyson could do to that Jake Paul clown
Tyson is near 60 ffs. Paul is a 27 year old with serious power in his hands. There's no upside to this for Tyson and Paul is trying to leverage credibility off his bname. Odd one.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 11, 2024, 10:12:25 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBoxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Beating Ngannu, who isnt a boxer, and Wallin doesnt mean he could beat Usyk or Fury
Usyk, Joshua and then Fury in that order. Fury's boxing CV took some battering in Saudi on the 23rd Dec.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 11, 2024, 02:32:24 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 11, 2024, 10:12:25 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBoxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Beating Ngannu, who isnt a boxer, and Wallin doesnt mean he could beat Usyk or Fury
Usyk, Joshua and then Fury in that order. Fury's boxing CV took some battering in Saudi on the 23rd Dec.
Really?
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 11, 2024, 02:25:07 PMQuote from: bennydorano on March 09, 2024, 12:43:41 AMImagine what Tyson could do to that Jake Paul clown
Tyson is near 60 ffs. Paul is a 27 year old with serious power in his hands. There's no upside to this for Tyson and Paul is trying to leverage credibility off his bname. Odd one.
And smokes spliffs all day but so what. One punch is all Tyson needs, but he's probably been told try not to kill him.
I would not pay any heed to the Fury v Nganu fight - it was clear as day that Fury hadnt prepared for it at all.
He would still beat AJ - this new beginning is a false dawn in my opinion - until he fights a high quality HW the questions will remain.
I cant see Usyk v Fury going ahead - there will be some bullshit between now and then.
The Fury and AJ heavy weight boxing merry-go-round will be underway for the next 2 years and nothing will happen.
The wee Tyrone Tornado has just qualified for Paris Olympics in ultra competitive 57kg weight division. Flawless display from Jude Gallagher, Four wins out of four over the week..
See you in Paris Jude.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 11, 2024, 02:40:05 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 11, 2024, 02:32:24 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 11, 2024, 10:12:25 AMQuote from: nrico2006 on March 09, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBoxers usually deteriorate physically but the weird case with AJ was that he obviously had mental issues which affected his performances post losing to Ruiz. He became more hesitant, committed less offensively etc. and even tried to just outbox Usyk. Based on the last 2 fights under BDs tutelage, it looks like he has overcome those issues now and looks like the old front foot fighter he was. That fighter could beat Usyk, or Fury.
Beating Ngannu, who isnt a boxer, and Wallin doesnt mean he could beat Usyk or Fury
Usyk, Joshua and then Fury in that order. Fury's boxing CV took some battering in Saudi on the 23rd Dec.
Really?
Course it did. It was as embarrassing a night as a boxer has ever had. The worry is that Fury still hasn't backed down from his view that he did train hard for Ngannou. But the view from former professionals is that no matter if you feel you trained hard, if you don't have that fear factor you are not properly prepared. It could be the best thing to happen to Fury and I would expect him to be back to his best for Usyk, who again showed an obvious weakness in his last fight. Top 3 right now is Fury, Usyk and Joshua.
I'm no Joshua fan boy but he has shown strong evidence that he is back to his best. He hasn't been taken into dark waters in the last few fights, but the thing is, when Joshua is in this kind of form which is reminiscent to how he was performing before Ruiz, he overwhelmed opponents with his power and speed and essentially made for one way traffic.
I see that Amy Broadhurst has chosen to compete for Great Britain in Olympic qualifiers in Bangkok
The Dundalk boxer had been looking to change allegiance after Irish Athletic Boxing Association said they would not be putting her name forward.
I suppose Boxing in the Olympics is a major ambition for any Boxer. No doubt it was a tough decision. Best of luck to her.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 30, 2024, 11:01:48 PMI see that Amy Broadhurst has chosen to compete for Great Britain in Olympic qualifiers in Bangkok
The Dundalk boxer had been looking to change allegiance after Irish Athletic Boxing Association said they would not be putting her name forward.
I suppose Boxing in the Olympics is a major ambition for any Boxer. No doubt it was a tough decision. Best of luck to her.
What was the reason for not putting her forward?
A combination of injury/inactivity that has led to her getting leapfrogged and the fact that Harrington is in place at 60kgs.