The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

Maybe you should live here for 20/30 years before you start "educating" us on how our healthcare system works

It doesn't work.

The money pumped in compared to the return received doesn't lie.

Someone earning $34 K per year in Boston is probably on Masshealth and paying next to nothing for their healthcare

So the average wage is more or less already receiving 100% publically funded healthcare?

and you cannot still see the numbers not adding up?

At this point - if you don't pause for a second and think about that for a minute or two - then there is little point continuing.

The numbers you quote are absolutely meaningless and not based on reality.  The average family are paying nowhere near what you state they are paying as a percentage of their total income if they have health insurance through their employer (which is what most people have)

I already showed you what teachers make

Here's what prison officers make......and it's not $50K

http://cthrupayroll.mass.gov/#!/year/2018/full_time_employees,others/pay1,pay2,pay3,pay4/explore/0-0-0-0-0/department_division/DEPARTMENT+OF+CORRECTION+(DOC)/0--0-6-1/trans_no

[Eamonnca1]

Share of income spent on overall healthcare costs by income decile:

Top 10%: 3.5% of income
Ninth 10%: 5.4%
Eighth 10%: 6.5%
Seventh 10%: 6.9%
Sixth 10%: 7.9%
Fifth 10%: 10%
Fourth 10%: 12.4%
Third 10%: 14%
Second 10%: 17.1%
Lowest 10%: 35%

Source

[Gabriel_Hurl]

$7,200 a year for me and the wife in California

[RadioGAAGAA]

The numbers you quote are absolutely meaningless and not based on reality. 
I already showed you what teachers make

Here's what prison officers make......and it's not $50K

?!?

What the genuine fúck are you trying to prove by sending me the salaries of two roles?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/how-much-americans-earn-at-every-age.html
Median is $56k per household

https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/average-income-in-us-14852178
Median is $49k per person

[dunno if the two above are contradictory, don't care to delve into it]



So the use of $50k certainly appears to be more based on reality than two disparate figures which represent a very small section of the populace.

[whitey]

LOL-you still don't get it

If you're making the average or median wage, you're either getting it free or getting it heavily subsidized. That's how poor your benchmark is

Averages mean absolutely nothing over here because of the enormous disparities that exist

As I have shown you a husband and wife (teacher/prison guard) in MA will be pulling in $150-200K and have excellent coverage and access to the best doctors in the world

The system is completely screwed up and is unsustainable, but most people with employer based coverage  are quite happy because they have great coverage

[RadioGAAGAA]

LOL-you still don't get it

If you're making the average or median wage, you're either getting it free or getting it heavily subsidized. That's how poor your benchmark is

The system is completely screwed up and is unsustainable, but most people with employer based coverage  are quite happy because they have great coverage

Stop. Listen to what you yourself are saying.

Do you not realise that the inefficiency* of it all means you are paying (i)more tax to cover the subsidized folk (Who it would appear comprise the vast majority) & (ii)losing wages as that is going toward the inflated price of your health coverage? (that coverage doesn't really come for "free")

*inefficiency in terms of value for money for you - not inefficiency in terms of generating profit for pharma!


The problems within the US system are not mostly about how its paid for - more how all the disparate approaches allow for hideous markup when it comes to that system paying out.

The philosophical differences of funding of Obamacare/Medicare/Medicaid could mostly be worked around if the Federal government mandated standardised contracts (with standardised prices) for drugs & treatments nationwide.

[whitey]

But it's still 10000000 better than the "free" healthcare you have in Ireland and the UK

[RadioGAAGAA]

But it's still 10000000 better than the "free" healthcare you have in Ireland and the UK

The stats on life expectancy, infant mortality etc indicate its clearly not.
Then you factor in the additional money being pumped into the US system and that performance comparison looks even worse.


https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-life-expectancy-compare-countries/#item-le_total-life-expectancy-at-birth-in-years-1980-2017_dec-2019-update

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/infant-and-neonatal-mortality

You can see in both the above, that the UK & Ireland are far from perfect - but both are significantly better than the US.

[whitey]

But it's still 10000000 better than the "free" healthcare you have in Ireland and the UK

The stats on life expectancy, infant mortality etc indicate its clearly not.
Then you factor in the additional money being pumped into the US system and that performance comparison looks even worse.


https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-life-expectancy-compare-countries/#item-le_total-life-expectancy-at-birth-in-years-1980-2017_dec-2019-update

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/infant-and-neonatal-mortality

You can see in both the above, that the UK & Ireland are far from perfect - but both are significantly better than the US.

LOL-believe whatever you want. Averages mean absolutely nothing in a country with such regional disparities.


On a side note, I had almost an hour long conversation with this gentleman last year

https://www.bidmc.org/research/research-by-department/medicine/gastroenterology/research-teams/lamont-lab

Many of Irelands best (Gastro) consultants spent their residency in Harvard trained under this guy

He speaks to these guys several times a year at conferences and would vehemently disagree with your comparisons between the health systems  and is abhorrent at the prospect of socialized medicine.

But of course , you know better than him because you were able to google some articles with average statistics that are meaningless

Congratulations

[seafoid]

US life expectancy is lower and falling .


https://www.ft.com/content/2501e154-4789-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

The richest 1 per cent of Americans now account for more than half the value of equities owned by US households, according to Goldman Sachs. Since 1990, the wealthiest have bought a net $1.2tn in company stakes, while the rest of the population has sold more than $1tn.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/02/24/this-chart-is-best-explanation-middle-class-finances-you-will-ever-see/%3foutputType=amp

n 1985, the typical [American] male worker could cover a family of four's major expenditures (housing, healthcare, transportation, education) on 30 weeks of salary. By 2018 it took 53 weeks.


The US is a plutocracy

[screenexile]

Pfffft that's only averages... everyone I know is rich so you don't know what you're talking about!!

[whitey]

Pfffft that's only averages... everyone I know is rich so you don't know what you're talking about!!

Averages smaverages

The average teacher in my town makes $82K

My wife's nephew just got accepted into the training program to be a prison officer-no college degree-and will be making $100K within 3 years

With a larger percentage of the population now over 65 and not working full time and relying on retirement income, what does that do to the averages? These over 65s  often have no mortgages, no college loans, no car payments and are probably paying next to nothing for healthcare.

https://www.jchs.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/Harvard_JCHS_Housing_Americas_Older_Adults_2018_1.pdf

[five points]

The average American has one testicle.

[Gmac]

The average American has one testicle.

thats only in a certain lower Manhattan neighborhood .

[whitey]

I never told you guys about my friend who was on vacation in London-when his mother in Law fell and broker her hip. They're all pretty left leaning and we're singing the praises of the care she received under the NHS

That is until they arrived back in Boston and went to the doctor. Well the "free" surgery was a dogs dinner and whole thing had to be undone and redone. The poor woman hasn't been right since