AIQF 2017 Tír Eoghain vs Ard Macha, Sat. August 5th @4pm

[GrandMasterFlash]

Monaghan who struggled to beat Carlow.
I'd say Tyrone are shaking in their boot alright.

Dublin didn't make light work of Carlow either.

Qualifiers are all about winning, doesn't matter by how much you win or how you get the result. It's not too long ago when Kerry struggled past Sligo, Antrim and Longford to win an All Ireland.

Absolutely agree, there has been numerous cases of one team just scraping past the other in the qualifiers since their inception.

Regarding your comment re not wanting Monaghan in the QF; they normally do put it up to Dublin (and have ran them as close as anybody this past few years) however the QF is clearly the ceiling for Monaghan. Beating the Dubs would obviously smash that to bits but that's the stuff of dreams really! Anyways, all very academic as we've the more pressing issue of playing Down, again.. 

[GrandMasterFlash]

Ok ye've convinced me - it's Monaghan v Dublin All Ireland Semi so.

I'm struggling with your response.. My point is that you may not fully understand the qualifiers if you believe the notion that the favourites will tank the minnows every time..

[Rossfan]

Nothing to do with tanking them.
Monaghan had enough possession v Carlow to tank them but couldn't kick the ball over the bar.
I'm just wondering how they're going to improve 60 or 70% to beat Tyrone as people seem to think?
Also humour not a big thing with the Ulsterites it seems.

[tonto1888]

Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?

[Il Bomber Destro]

Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?

They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.

4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.

[Fuzzman]

I'd say they're a 18.88 Tonto.
How good would you say they are? How can you measure it?

Tyrone had it very easy in Ulster, easiest Ulster ever won most would say, scoring 3.60
Dublin had an easy Leinster yet again scoring 4.29 in one game, 6.71 overall
Kerry had another easy Munster yet again, scoring 2.41 in two games
And even Roscommon had an easy Connacht scoring 4.38 in just two games

Despite Tyrone scoring heavily in Ulster, they still have the lowest average of the 4 provincial winners
Dub 2.236
Ros 2.190
Kerry 1.205
Tyrone 1.20

Unless it's Armagh, it looks like it will be red jersey day again for this game. Have we ever lost in Croker with the red jersey?

[seafoid]

This is very good

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-are-gathering-all-ireland-pace-1.3157942

[Zulu]

Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?

They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.

4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.

It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.

[Throw ball]

Ok ye've convinced me - it's Monaghan v Dublin All Ireland Semi so.

I'd  take that as it would mean Armagh beating Kildare - as long  as the loss to Dublin wasn't too bad.  Oh there is also the added bonus that Monaghan beat Tyrone.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?

They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.

4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.

It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.

It is though.

3 Ulster sides came through the qualifiers to R4, 1 Connacht side progressed and 0 sides from Leinster and Munster progressed.

You're arguing facts here which is the fundamental problem with your position.

[tonto1888]

I'd say they're a 18.88 Tonto.
How good would you say they are? How can you measure it?

Tyrone had it very easy in Ulster, easiest Ulster ever won most would say, scoring 3.60
Dublin had an easy Leinster yet again scoring 4.29 in one game, 6.71 overall
Kerry had another easy Munster yet again, scoring 2.41 in two games
And even Roscommon had an easy Connacht scoring 4.38 in just two games

Despite Tyrone scoring heavily in Ulster, they still have the lowest average of the 4 provincial winners
Dub 2.236
Ros 2.190
Kerry 1.205
Tyrone 1.20

Unless it's Armagh, it looks like it will be red jersey day again for this game. Have we ever lost in Croker with the red jersey?

It's hard to say how good you are. To me you look very good. I'm kinda playing devils advicate a bit to be honest. I know the league isn't the greatest indicator but how did you do against the non Ulster sides in div 1

[Zulu]

Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?

They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.

4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.

It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.

It is though.

3 Ulster sides came through the qualifiers to R4, 1 Connacht side progressed and 0 sides from Leinster and Munster progressed.

You're arguing facts here which is the fundamental problem with your position.

Ok, if it's a simple numbers game then Munster was the strongest province last year surely? And do provinces with more teams entering the qualifiers not have a better chance of getting more through than those with less? These are facts too which is where you're going wrong.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?

They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.

4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.

It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.

It is though.

3 Ulster sides came through the qualifiers to R4, 1 Connacht side progressed and 0 sides from Leinster and Munster progressed.

You're arguing facts here which is the fundamental problem with your position.

Ok, if it's a simple numbers game then Munster was the strongest province last year surely? And do provinces with more teams entering the qualifiers not have a better chance of getting more through than those with less? These are facts too which is where you're going wrong.

Yes and last year as the facts show, was an anomaly.

[Zulu]

Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.

Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.

[seafoid]

Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.

Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.

It's not a minefield this year. Maybe an arms dump