The IRISH RUGBY thread

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gallsman

Quote from: David McKeown on October 12, 2019, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2019, 01:01:46 PM
Look at the two tackles. The Samoan lad was bent over 90 degrees or more. Barely possible to do anything more to avoid contact with the head. Aki didn't.

Both decisions correct.

Suppose it depends what you are looking for. Lamb sees Stockdale coming a mile away so no excuse to be anywhere near Stockdale's head whereas Aki is a very broken piece of play that happens much more quickly.

There is an excuse for him being near the head - Stockdale dipped into the tackle. Lam literally couldn't do anything more. He's unfortunate that the letter of the law mandates he has to go off despite the fact that Stockdale caused the head contact by going low, not his tackle.

Whether Aki's tackle was in broken play or not is completely irrelevant. He made absolutely no effort to get low, nor was the ball carrier dipping the way Stockdale was.

Berry got both decisions absolutely correct.

Dinny Breen

The framework is there, Berry explained really, both cards spot on.
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gallsman

#8462
Lenihan now saying the rredef was merited and only mitigation could be the ball carrier dipping into the tackle.

If they appeal it on that basis, there's not a chance he'll get off. The only mitigation under the framework that they could possibly hope for would be that the tackle was reactionary because of how the ball had ping ponged around just before but even that would be very, very unlikely in my book.

Gmac

Ireland have 3 really quick players stockade Larmour and Conway be nice to see them starting , they have what we have always lacked real pace .

Solo_run

#8464
Quote from: Gmac on October 12, 2019, 01:34:34 PM
Ireland have 3 really quick players stockade Larmour and Conway be nice to see them starting , they have what we have always lacked real pace .

I actually think Stockdale has lost a lot of his pace.

Kearney is way passed his best.

Conway has been consistent and exceptional.

Larmour is awkward but fast and intelligent with the ball.

Earls is intelligent, lost a bit of his pace but his timing is generally quite good.

David McKeown

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 12, 2019, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2019, 01:01:46 PM
Look at the two tackles. The Samoan lad was bent over 90 degrees or more. Barely possible to do anything more to avoid contact with the head. Aki didn't.

Both decisions correct.

Suppose it depends what you are looking for. Lamb sees Stockdale coming a mile away so no excuse to be anywhere near Stockdale's head whereas Aki is a very broken piece of play that happens much more quickly.

There is an excuse for him being near the head - Stockdale dipped into the tackle. Lam literally couldn't do anything more. He's unfortunate that the letter of the law mandates he has to go off despite the fact that Stockdale caused the head contact by going low, not his tackle.

Whether Aki's tackle was in broken play or not is completely irrelevant. He made absolutely no effort to get low, nor was the ball carrier dipping the way Stockdale was.

Berry got both decisions absolutely correct.

It's far from irrelevant if you say Lamb got low but not low enough when he had relatively speaking considerable time to do so but still isn't low enough that's aggravating when compared to Aki not getting low despite having little to no time to do so. Stockdales dip is not that late either it's not like Lamb shouldn't have been in a position to react.

I also don't agree that's there's enough of a difference between the amount of dip between the ball carriers to make the decisive difference when the relative angles of the players are considered.

All that said I can see why the decisions were made but could also have understood if they had gone the other way.
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Solo_run

Delighted Samoa were beaten - shame Ireland didn't destroy them after what happened against Japan.

screenexile

Quote from: Solo_run on October 12, 2019, 01:43:38 PM
Delighted Samoa were beaten - shame Ireland didn't destroy them after what happened against Japan.

Pretty sure getting beat 47-5 playing against 14 men is destroyed!

Good controlled and commanding performance with 14 men. Yes Samoa weren't up to much but being so comfortable being a man down is bound to help confidence.

Don't think it really matters who we play the next round if you want to get far in this comp you need to beat these teams so just put the head down and go for it!!

Wildweasel74

Played Alot better the day both still need bring abit more width especially inside the opposite 20 line, Still not looking good for either New Zealand or South Africa

Solo_run

Quote from: screenexile on October 12, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on October 12, 2019, 01:43:38 PM
Delighted Samoa were beaten - shame Ireland didn't destroy them after what happened against Japan.

Pretty sure getting beat 47-5 playing against 14 men is destroyed!

Good controlled and commanding performance with 14 men. Yes Samoa weren't up to much but being so comfortable being a man down is bound to help confidence.

Don't think it really matters who we play the next round if you want to get far in this comp you need to beat these teams so just put the head down and go for it!!

Samoa literally gifted Japan the bonus point in the last minute of the game when they played. If Japan didn't get that bonus point it would have been Ireland finishing top regardless.

So would have preferred a record breaking score tbh.

David McKeown

Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 12, 2019, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 12, 2019, 01:01:46 PM
Look at the two tackles. The Samoan lad was bent over 90 degrees or more. Barely possible to do anything more to avoid contact with the head. Aki didn't.

Both decisions correct.

Suppose it depends what you are looking for. Lamb sees Stockdale coming a mile away so no excuse to be anywhere near Stockdale's head whereas Aki is a very broken piece of play that happens much more quickly.

There is an excuse for him being near the head - Stockdale dipped into the tackle. Lam literally couldn't do anything more. He's unfortunate that the letter of the law mandates he has to go off despite the fact that Stockdale caused the head contact by going low, not his tackle.

Whether Aki's tackle was in broken play or not is completely irrelevant. He made absolutely no effort to get low, nor was the ball carrier dipping the way Stockdale was.

Berry got both decisions absolutely correct.

I've watched it again. You are correct Aki seems to drive up somewhat. Red card was the correct decision.
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Capt Pat

The only mitigating thing you could say about the red card is that the Samoan ran into Aki. As opposed to Aki going after him high.

Owen Brannigan

Regardless of the merits or otherwise of the sending off of Aki, Ireland play better without him and this has been the case over the last year.  He is a liability in giving away penalties. Aki being unavailable even for the rest of the Irish time in the tournament will not necessarily be a hindrance to the starting line out. Just leaves Ireland with a gap in centre cover for remaining games which might well just be one.

under the bar

#8473
So is Aki now a dirty Samoan in the best selling newspaper in the 26? ;)

Solo_run

Aki isn't a dirty player, he didn't mean to tackle the Samoan like that. However he didn't orientate himself correctly to tackle the player and unfortunately it doesn't matter how much time he had. I correct call was made by the referee but I don't think he should be banned for the next game because of it.