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Title: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: thewobbler on July 25, 2018, 06:38:57 AM
Apply them as they become certs

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7. Karl O'Connell
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Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: sambostar on July 25, 2018, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 25, 2018, 06:38:57 AM
Apply them as they become certs

1. Rory Beggan
2. Johnny Cooper
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5.
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7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
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13. David Clifford
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15. Conor McManus
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on July 25, 2018, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: sambostar on July 25, 2018, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 25, 2018, 06:38:57 AM
Apply them as they become certs

1. Rory Beggan
2. Johnny Cooper
3.
4.
5.Brian Howard
6.
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
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10.
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12.
13. David Clifford
14.
15. Conor McManus
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
Surely Damien Comer will get 14?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: trailer on July 25, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
Given there are more games in the quarter final stage we should expect a greater spread of counties represented rather than the usual 8 / 9 from the winners and 4/5 from runners up.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 09:50:53 AM
Will be interesting to see how the spread works giving all the extra matches at the top end of the season alright.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 09:57:21 AM
Now that the committee won't have to find somewhere to fit Aidan O'Shea into the team, Michael Murphy is an absolute cert.
The only position he probably won't be considered for is goalie.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 25, 2018, 10:00:53 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 25, 2018, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: sambostar on July 25, 2018, 08:14:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 25, 2018, 06:38:57 AM
Apply them as they become certs

1. Rory Beggan
2. Johnny Cooper
3.
4.
5.Brian Howard
6.
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. David Clifford
14. Michael Murphy
15. Conor McManus
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: redzone on July 25, 2018, 10:10:20 AM
Beggan had a nightmare against Fermanagh and cost them an ulster. If they go out this weekend he shouldn't get one
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mrdeeds on July 25, 2018, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 25, 2018, 10:10:20 AM
Beggan had a nightmare against Fermanagh and cost them an ulster. If they go out this weekend he shouldn't get one

What's the alternative? Broady?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: square_ball on July 25, 2018, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on July 25, 2018, 10:36:49 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 25, 2018, 10:10:20 AM
Beggan had a nightmare against Fermanagh and cost them an ulster. If they go out this weekend he shouldn't get one

What's the alternative? Broady?

I thought Beggan was very poor against Fermanagh but still think he's the standout keeper so far. If Laois has made the super 8s Broady would have had more exposure and therefore an outside chances of getting picked. Think he definitely deserves a nomination.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: ballinaman on July 25, 2018, 10:52:43 AM
Ian Burke?
Shane Walsh?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 25, 2018, 11:48:20 AM
I'd say Tom Flynn is possibly the leader in the clubhouse right now to partner Fenton in midfield.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 12:06:02 PM
I don't think Tom Flynn is a big enough "name" for the All Stars GBB, he is having a great championship so far though, by a mile his best summertime showing in the maroon.
There's one Galway player that likewise doesn't have any hype around him but who should really be walking onto any "Best 15" so far this year and that's Eoghan Kerin.

I wouldn't have Comer as a lock for an All Star at all, for Galway Shane Walsh and Ian Burke have had better, more consistent championship appearances to date. I think in all likelihood Shane Walsh has by far the best chance of any Galway player of managing to nab an All Star, but if Galway meltdown in their next two matches I'd expect none.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Boycey on July 25, 2018, 12:14:57 PM
If McManus is considered a cert its on one, albeit mighty, performance cause he's been relatively quiet this year
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Fuzzman on July 25, 2018, 12:16:17 PM
Sludden at 11
Kilkenny at 10 or 12 perhaps
Comer at 14
Murphy at 8
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Tyrdub on July 25, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
James McCarthy??? half back as he's probably not likely to get a midfield spot
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dire Ear on July 25, 2018, 12:34:42 PM
F Burns 6
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 12:06:02 PM
I don't think Tom Flynn is a big enough "name" for the All Stars GBB, he is having a great championship so far though, by a mile his best summertime showing in the maroon.
There's one Galway player that likewise doesn't have any hype around him but who should really be walking onto any "Best 15" so far this year and that's Eoghan Kerin.

I wouldn't have Comer as a lock for an All Star at all, for Galway Shane Walsh and Ian Burke have had better, more consistent championship appearances to date. I think in all likelihood Shane Walsh has by far the best chance of any Galway player of managing to nab an All Star, but if Galway meltdown in their next two matches I'd expect none.

Shane Walsh is a cert, after that it depends on semi-final and final performances. Burke is a thinking man's player, it's only when you see him in the flesh that you can appreciate his footballing intelligence. Safe to say with Irish Journalists that rules out Burke. They like flash ahead of substance.

I'd like to think Donnellan, D Flynn and P Cribben will get nominated from a Kildare perspective.

Dean Rock is another cert. Not overly impressed with Fenton, Kilkenny by their standards this year.  Brian Howard and Niall Scully putting their hands up for Dublin.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 12:44:51 PM
Ryan McHugh is nailed on for my money.
Especially as he could fill a HB or HF slot.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: tippabu on July 25, 2018, 01:01:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 25, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 12:06:02 PM
I don't think Tom Flynn is a big enough "name" for the All Stars GBB, he is having a great championship so far though, by a mile his best summertime showing in the maroon.
There's one Galway player that likewise doesn't have any hype around him but who should really be walking onto any "Best 15" so far this year and that's Eoghan Kerin.

I wouldn't have Comer as a lock for an All Star at all, for Galway Shane Walsh and Ian Burke have had better, more consistent championship appearances to date. I think in all likelihood Shane Walsh has by far the best chance of any Galway player of managing to nab an All Star, but if Galway meltdown in their next two matches I'd expect none.

Shane Walsh is a cert, after that it depends on semi-final and final performances. Burke is a thinking man's player, it's only when you see him in the flesh that you can appreciate his footballing intelligence. Safe to say with Irish Journalists that rules out Burke. They like flash ahead of substance.

I'd like to think Donnellan, D Flynn and P Cribben will get nominated from a Kildare perspective.

Dean Rock is another cert. Not overly impressed with Fenton, Kilkenny by their standards this year.  Brian Howard and Niall Scully putting their hands up for Dublin.

Id have Brian Howard in there at the moment, he has been immense the last two weeks.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 25, 2018, 01:13:17 PM
Am i right in saying this will be the first time since 2010 that Mayo won't win All Star? while Galway will win their first All Star since Kevin Walsh in 2003?

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: redhandefender on July 25, 2018, 01:14:01 PM
Sludden and Burns were in contention before Saturday night.

Not now imo, sludden hardly touched leather and burns cost that goal.

Still time for both to redeem themselves.

that wee boy Murchen? who parked sludden is definitely a late bolter if he stays in the team.

If they ended up playing Galway he could do a job on walsh
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: trailer on July 25, 2018, 01:16:18 PM
If anything was ever a dead cert it's Brian Howard. James McCarthy has a very good chance as well. Kilkenny will do well to be nominated.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on July 25, 2018, 01:55:20 PM
Both Murtaghs deserve nominations.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on July 25, 2018, 02:01:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 25, 2018, 01:16:18 PM
If anything was ever a dead cert it's Brian Howard. James McCarthy has a very good chance as well. Kilkenny will do well to be nominated.

He's the favourite for POTY!
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 25, 2018, 01:14:01 PM
Sludden and Burns were in contention before Saturday night.

Not now imo, sludden hardly touched leather and burns cost that goal.

Still time for both to redeem themselves.

that wee boy Murchen? who parked sludden is definitely a late bolter if he stays in the team.

If they ended up playing Galway he could do a job on walsh

Murchen carried out one of the best man marking jobs I've seen against Michael Daly in the U21 final last year, didn't give him a kick really.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on July 25, 2018, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 25, 2018, 01:14:01 PM
Sludden and Burns were in contention before Saturday night.

Not now imo, sludden hardly touched leather and burns cost that goal.

Still time for both to redeem themselves.

that wee boy Murchen? who parked sludden is definitely a late bolter if he stays in the team.

If they ended up playing Galway he could do a job on walsh

Murchen carried out one of the best man marking jobs I've seen against Michael Daly in the U21 final last year, didn't give him a kick really.

Ronan Daly did a much better job on him in 2016.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: blanketattack on July 25, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Clifford for YPOTY and/or All-star.
Gavin White
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 25, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
As always most of the decisions will be based on the All Ireland final and to a lesser extent on the semi-finals.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on July 25, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 25, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Clifford for YPOTY and/or All-star.
Gavin White

Clifford or Brian Howard for YPOTY? Howard has been MOTM in 2 Super 8 games already.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: tippabu on July 25, 2018, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 25, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 25, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Clifford for YPOTY and/or All-star.
Gavin White

Clifford or Brian Howard for YPOTY? Howard has been MOTM in 2 Super 8 games already.

Did scully not get motm against Donegal for his two goals? For me Howard was the best player on the pitch that night though
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on July 25, 2018, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: tippabu on July 25, 2018, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 25, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 25, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Clifford for YPOTY and/or All-star.
Gavin White

Clifford or Brian Howard for YPOTY? Howard has been MOTM in 2 Super 8 games already.

Did scully not get motm against Donegal for his two goals? For me Howard was the best player on the pitch that night though

Yes, I think your right actually. On both points.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
1. Rory Beggan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Jonny Cooper
4. Eoghan Kerin
5. Brian Howard
6. James McCarthy
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
9. Tom Flynn
10. Niall Sludden
11. Shane Walsh
12. Ryan McHugh
13. David Clifford
14. Damien Comer
15. Ian Burke

I'd have it as something like this for now but the all stars are really picked off of big performances in the all Irelands semifinals and final
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on July 25, 2018, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
1. Rory Beggan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Jonny Cooper
4. Eoghan Kerin
5. Brian Howard
6. James McCarthy
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
9. Tom Flynn
10. Niall Sludden
11. Shane Walsh
12. Ryan McHugh
13. David Clifford
14. Damien Comer
15. Ian Burke

I'd have it as something like this for now but the all stars are really picked off of big performances in the all Irelands semifinals and final

Given there's two more AIQF rounds and the AISF is ran off the following week those four rounds will likely be taken as more of a block than previously.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Nanderson on July 25, 2018, 05:27:40 PM
Eogahn Ban Gallagher would have been a cert but his injury may have cost him
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: yellowcard on July 25, 2018, 06:45:41 PM
Too early, absolutely no certs at this stage until the semi finalists are known. Fenton and Shane Walsh must be the closest to a cert out of anybody though given that both their sides are in a semi final but one bad game there can still change everything.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on July 25, 2018, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
1. Rory Beggan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Jonny Cooper
4. Eoghan Kerin
5. Brian Howard
6. James McCarthy
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
9. Tom Flynn
10. Niall Sludden
11. Shane Walsh
12. Ryan McHugh
13. David Clifford
14. Damien Comer
15. Ian Burke

I'd have it as something like this for now but the all stars are really picked off of big performances in the all Irelands semifinals and final

Dublin, the best team by a country mile, without even one forward... I wonder what the odds would be on that??
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2018, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2018, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
1. Rory Beggan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Jonny Cooper
4. Eoghan Kerin
5. Brian Howard
6. James McCarthy
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
9. Tom Flynn
10. Niall Sludden
11. Shane Walsh
12. Ryan McHugh
13. David Clifford
14. Damien Comer
15. Ian Burke

I'd have it as something like this for now but the all stars are really picked off of big performances in the all Irelands semifinals and final

Dublin, the best team by a country mile, without even one forward... I wonder what the odds would be on that??

GalwayforSam18 would be a better username for him.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on July 25, 2018, 08:04:35 PM
Lol. Yeah i doubt galway will get that many. Dublin may end up with 8 and you would expect maybe more tyrone. I wouldn't be so sure galway would beat tyrone so hardly merit 5 to 1.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 25, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
Galway would have to reach the All Ireland final and perform well in that final to win 5 All Stars. Reaching a semi final might win you one  All Star as was the case with Kerry and Tyrone last year
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
I would disagree that Shane Walsh is a cert.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 25, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
We've still a final round of the Super 8's to come then the Semi's and the final; Its nonsense to suggest there are any certs at all. There are a 3 or 4 players well placed to get them but that would change with a couple of poor performances. Semi Final & Final performances will go a long way to deciding who gets them.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: ONeill on July 25, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Surely there's a place for Canavan.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: ballinaman on July 25, 2018, 09:12:46 PM
David Clarke pipping Cluxton will be controversial
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
I would disagree that Shane Walsh is a cert.

There's no certs until the final is over, plenty have lost out on the back of terrible All Ireland performances.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: tippabu on July 25, 2018, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 25, 2018, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 25, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
I would disagree that Shane Walsh is a cert.

There's no certs until the final is over, plenty have lost out on the back of terrible All Ireland performances.

Exactly, in 2016 michael breen for tipp (hurling) was nailed on, had a brilliant year but missed out after having a terrible game in the final
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: J70 on July 25, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 25, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
We've still a final round of the Super 8's to come then the Semi's and the final; Its nonsense to suggest there are any certs at all. There are a 3 or 4 players well placed to get them but that would change with a couple of poor performances. Semi Final & Final performances will go a long way to deciding who gets them.

Indeed. The only cert is that the finalists will dominate the awards.

Any other high performers will have to make do with a nomination, if that, depending on how far their team gets.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on July 25, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
Michael murphy has been one of the best about this year too.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2018, 08:04:35 PM
Lol. Yeah i doubt galway will get that many. Dublin may end up with 8 and you would expect maybe more tyrone. I wouldn't be so sure galway would beat tyrone so hardly merit 5 to 1.

Like I said it'll change after the semis and final but that's what I'd pick on the games so far
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 25, 2018, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 25, 2018, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 25, 2018, 05:06:40 PM
1. Rory Beggan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Jonny Cooper
4. Eoghan Kerin
5. Brian Howard
6. James McCarthy
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Brian Fenton
9. Tom Flynn
10. Niall Sludden
11. Shane Walsh
12. Ryan McHugh
13. David Clifford
14. Damien Comer
15. Ian Burke

I'd have it as something like this for now but the all stars are really picked off of big performances in the all Irelands semifinals and final

Dublin, the best team by a country mile, without even one forward... I wonder what the odds would be on that??

GalwayforSam18 would be a better username for him.

Suggest some changes then
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on August 01, 2018, 09:58:27 PM
Rory Beggan
Eoghan Kerins
Johny Cooper
Tom O'Sullivan
Cathal Sweeney
Gareth Bradshaw
Paddy Durcan
Tom Flynn
Ciaran Thompson
Enda Smith
Shane Walsh
Cathal McShane
David Clifford
Michael Murphy
Damien Comer

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on August 01, 2018, 10:31:13 PM
Not nearly enough Dubs there, Howard should be there at the minute.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 25, 2018, 06:38:57 AM
Apply them as they become certs

1.
2.
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4.
5.
6.
7. Karl O'Connell
8. Colm Cavanagh
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15.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
3 at least for Tyrone now C Cavanagh,M Donnelly and maybe N Sludden?
3 for Monaghan Beggan,O'Connell and McManus
1 for Galway Walsh perhaps
1 for Kerry Clifford

The rest will likely go to Dublin
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Sludden was not at the races today I didn't think
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
Clifford doesn't deserve an All-Star. YPotY.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
Doesn't deserve an all-star?? You laughable, he been the best corner forward this year on a bad team
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Sludden was not at the races today I didn't think
His 1-2 from play in a low scoring game today was a huge contribution.

Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
Clifford doesn't deserve an All-Star. YPotY.
Check out his Super 8s stats on his own dedicated thread.  Howard of Dublin could win the YPOTY before him.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Sludden was not at the races today I didn't think
His 1-2 from play in a low scoring game today was a huge contribution.

Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
Clifford doesn't deserve an All-Star. YPotY.
Check out his Super 8s stats on his own dedicated thread.  Howard of Dublin could win the YPOTY before him.

Clifford played in the far weaker of the two groups and on a team that won a single match of three. Distant losers in the AIQFs rarely net many All-Stars no matter what their stats are. If he gets one it's just the usual Kerry-Dublin-Mayo bias at work.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 07:42:21 PM
He get one cause he's the best player in that position
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Sludden was not at the races today I didn't think
His 1-2 from play in a low scoring game today was a huge contribution.

Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
Clifford doesn't deserve an All-Star. YPotY.
Check out his Super 8s stats on his own dedicated thread.  Howard of Dublin could win the YPOTY before him.

Clifford played in the far weaker of the two groups and on a team that won a single match of three. Distant losers in the AIQFs rarely net many All-Stars no matter what their stats are. If he gets one it's just the usual Kerry-Dublin-Mayo bias at work.

His scoring ratio would probably be even higher in the other group as he would then play against that wide open Roscommon defence that marks space instead of their men.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 09:02:12 PM
Anybody want to provide Michael Murphys scores per game for the championship this year?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: cadhlancian on August 12, 2018, 09:06:46 PM
Colm Cavanagh and Mattie Donnelly probably cemented their spots today , Cavanagh and Fenton look like certainties now. Tiernan McCann and Niall Sludden have decent finals, they'll also have claims.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on August 12, 2018, 09:12:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Sludden was not at the races today I didn't think
His 1-2 from play in a low scoring game today was a huge contribution.

Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
Clifford doesn't deserve an All-Star. YPotY.
Check out his Super 8s stats on his own dedicated thread.  Howard of Dublin could win the YPOTY before him.

Clifford played in the far weaker of the two groups and on a team that won a single match of three. Distant losers in the AIQFs rarely net many All-Stars no matter what their stats are. If he gets one it's just the usual Kerry-Dublin-Mayo bias at work.

His scoring ratio would probably be even higher in the other group as he would then play against that wide open Roscommon defence that marks space instead of their men.

He did have a Kildare team who threw in the towel when sent down to 14 men which was just the same. Neill Flynn's scoring rate per minutes played in this championship is probably as good as anyone's but he won't be getting nominated.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 09:02:12 PM
Anybody want to provide Michael Murphys scores per game for the championship this year?

V Cavan  0-6 (3fs)
V Derry (0-02, 1 '45)
V Down  (0-5 3fs)
V Fermanagh (0-4 3fs)
V Dublin (0-6 3fs  1 45)
v Roscommon (0-9 3fs 1 45)
V Tyrone (1-2 1fs 1 45)

Total 1-34 16fs  and 4 45s.  It works out at 5 points per game.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 09:02:12 PM
Anybody want to provide Michael Murphys scores per game for the championship this year?

V Cavan  0-6 (3fs)
V Derry (0-02, 1 '45)
V Down  (0-5 3fs)
V Fermanagh (0-4 3fs)
V Dublin (0-6 3fs  1 45)
v Roscommon (0-9 3fs 1 45)
V Tyrone (1-2 1fs 1 45)

Total 1-34 16fs  and 4 45s.  It works out at 5 points per game.

Thanks
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: shyted on August 12, 2018, 11:36:02 PM
petey harte cert
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 11:39:14 PM
No certs til final played,any of those tyrone.lads get cleaned out  in the selectors eyes earlier game counts for nought.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 11:39:14 PM
No certs til gibal played,any of those tyrone.lsds get vleaned out  in the first land everyone game counts for nought.
Posting a comment after a few pints?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 13, 2018, 12:04:30 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 11:39:14 PM
No certs til gibal played,any of those tyrone.lsds get vleaned out  in the first land everyone game counts for nought.
Posting a comment after a few pints?

No just a keyboard with a mind of its own
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 13, 2018, 01:11:01 AM
Hard to pick out players from Tyrone unless they do the impossible ...

I would have had mattie D nailed on but after todays no show im thinking ....
Sludden no chance
P harte yes for simple reason he is p harte ...

Niall morgan is very underated and should be there

Its mcmanaus and prob beggan for Monaghan...

Murphy for donegal
Walsh and coner back for galway ...

Best footballer in ireland (clifford)

And seven dubs
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on August 13, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.

There's a chance that Galway end up with no All Stars, it's likely that they will ensure that each semi-finalist will get one but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: galwayman on August 13, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on August 13, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.

There's a chance that Galway end up with no All Stars, it's likely that they will ensure that each semi-finalist will get one but stranger things have happened.
Possible but I'd be surprised if Shane doesn't get one tbh.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on August 13, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Niall Morgan ahead of Beggan now. Best keeper in the country
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 13, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Niall Morgan ahead of Beggan now. Best keeper in the country
I'd still have Beggan, slightly
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.

I half feel that Tom Flynn is the most deserving Galway player of one. Hasn't been a better midfielder not named Brian Fenton this Summer. He's even kicked a few monster points when he was always reluctant to shoot in the past.

I don't think they will give Galway two though so Walsh or Comer will probably get the token nod even though you could argue that Burke has been the best of them.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.

I half feel that Tom Flynn is the most deserving Galway player of one. Hasn't been a better midfielder not named Brian Fenton this Summer. He's even kicked a few monster points when he was always reluctant to shoot in the past.

I don't think they will give Galway two though so Walsh or Comer will probably get the token nod even though you could argue that Burke has been the best of them.
Flynn won't get one ahead of Fenton & Cavanagh.

Not ahead of Fenton anyway. Cavanagh doesn't even play in midfield despite what his shirt number says so it's like comparing apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2018, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
You can bet your balls he gets an all star at midfield.

Fair play to him if he does but he plays a completely different position in reality.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on August 13, 2018, 12:13:16 PM
Tyrone probably looking at Hampsey and Cavanagh as certain all stars.
If Donnelly, Sludden, McCann, Harte have decent finals they will be in with a good chance.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mouview on August 13, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.

I half feel that Tom Flynn is the most deserving Galway player of one. Hasn't been a better midfielder not named Brian Fenton this Summer. He's even kicked a few monster points when he was always reluctant to shoot in the past.

I don't think they will give Galway two though so Walsh or Comer will probably get the token nod even though you could argue that Burke has been the best of them.

Wouldn't entirely agree with that, but I feel he turned his season around at HT in the Connacht final. Has been a positive surprise since. No All Star however.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 13, 2018, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: mouview on August 13, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 13, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
Ian Burke deserves one but don't think he'll get it because of the unselfish nature of his play, sets up more than he scores, I think Galway will get a few nominations but will probably end up with one for Shane Walsh.

I half feel that Tom Flynn is the most deserving Galway player of one. Hasn't been a better midfielder not named Brian Fenton this Summer. He's even kicked a few monster points when he was always reluctant to shoot in the past.

I don't think they will give Galway two though so Walsh or Comer will probably get the token nod even though you could argue that Burke has been the best of them.

Wouldn't entirely agree with that, but I feel he turned his season around at HT in the Connacht final. Has been a positive surprise since. No All Star however.

Definitely deserves an all star imo
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2018, 06:03:57 PM
Going by the odds the following players will be winning All Stars

Rory Beggan  4/7
Johnny Cooper  1/14
Karl O Connell  1/3
Jack McCaffrey 1/5
James McCarthy 1/4
Tiernan McCann 1/2
Brian Fenton 1/10
Colm Cavanagh  1/5
Ciaran Kilkenny 1/50
Niall Sludden 1/3
David Clifford 1/4
Conor McManus 1/50


If odds are right that leaves 3 spots open. A few value bets as some of these players could likely win one.  Stephen Cluxton 11/8 Shane Walsh 2/1,Ian Burke 3/1 Dean Rock and Paul Mannion 13/2 Con O Callaghan 4/1, Matty Donnelly 5/6 Michael McKernan 3/1 Drew Wylie 11/4,Frank Burns 7/2 Philly McMahon 4/1, Brian Howard 6/4, Peter Harte 7/2

Dublin winning the final as expected will mean they should win at least 7 All Stars. If Tyrone are close to Dublin they will win 4 or 5 All Stars. Galway will win at least one and Walsh and Burke are better value than Comer.


Some of the names mentioned on here aren't expected to win All Stars going by their odds

Michael Murphy 7/1
Thomas Flynn 10/1
Niall Morgan 9/1
Eoghan Kerin 12/1

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 13, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Niall Morgan ahead of Beggan now. Best keeper in the country

Unless Morgan has a dream final that allstar is going to Beggan. For Morgan to take it from him he'd have to be flawless, kick a few long frees and save a certain goal chance or two.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on August 13, 2018, 06:10:25 PM
I don't know what Kerin has done to even be 12/1. A foul machine.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 13, 2018, 06:26:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2018, 06:10:25 PM
I don't know what Kerin has done to even be 12/1. A foul machine.

Helps to win a few games for a start
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 10:07:39 PM
Mannion 13/2 and Harte 7/2 is crazy big. If either/both has a good final Id expect them to be in the team.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 13, 2018, 11:49:13 PM
Mickey is boycotting any media who  are represented on the all stars committee unless Petey is guaranteed an all star.
7/2 a huge price
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Taylor on August 14, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.

Pretty big statement to make Seanie.
Gets some super scores from play to go along with his free taking.

Given the amount of attention he gets from other teams, as they know take him out of it and you will beat Monaghan, it is pretty impressive what he returns each game
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on August 15, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 14, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.

Pretty big statement to make Seanie.
Gets some super scores from play to go along with his free taking.

Given the amount of attention he gets from other teams, as they know take him out of it and you will beat Monaghan, it is pretty impressive what he returns each game

I wouldn't have McManus in my All Star team this year. Don't think he contributed all that much from play this year apart from the Kerry game, he's certainly learnt how to win a soft free this year too. He's been an exceptional forward for a long time and probably the best inside forward the last 5 years but he's not hit the heights of previous years.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 15, 2018, 10:08:27 PM
Padraig Hampsey at 5/2 is very good odds.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on August 15, 2018, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 15, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 14, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.

Pretty big statement to make Seanie.
Gets some super scores from play to go along with his free taking.

Given the amount of attention he gets from other teams, as they know take him out of it and you will beat Monaghan, it is pretty impressive what he returns each game

I wouldn't have McManus in my All Star team this year. Don't think he contributed all that much from play this year apart from the Kerry game, he's certainly learnt how to win a soft free this year too. He's been an exceptional forward for a long time and probably the best inside forward the last 5 years but he's not hit the heights of previous years.

McManus should be the first name on the All-Star team. Monaghan's system really only works with him there either scoring points, drawing frees or drawing double and triple marks.

Monagahan would be exposed for being a bunch of game but limited footballers if they didn't have 15.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gold on August 16, 2018, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2018, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 15, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 14, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.

Pretty big statement to make Seanie.
Gets some super scores from play to go along with his free taking.

Given the amount of attention he gets from other teams, as they know take him out of it and you will beat Monaghan, it is pretty impressive what he returns each game

I wouldn't have McManus in my All Star team this year. Don't think he contributed all that much from play this year apart from the Kerry game, he's certainly learnt how to win a soft free this year too. He's been an exceptional forward for a long time and probably the best inside forward the last 5 years but he's not hit the heights of previous years.

McManus should be the first name on the All-Star team. Monaghan's system really only works with him there either scoring points, drawing frees or drawing double and triple marks.

Monagahan would be exposed for being a bunch of game but limited footballers if they didn't have 15.

Totally agree

From play he has been immense this year. He gets fouled as he is too good to let play
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: lenny on August 16, 2018, 07:18:20 AM
Quote from: Gold on August 16, 2018, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2018, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 15, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 14, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.

Pretty big statement to make Seanie.
Gets some super scores from play to go along with his free taking.

Given the amount of attention he gets from other teams, as they know take him out of it and you will beat Monaghan, it is pretty impressive what he returns each game

I wouldn't have McManus in my All Star team this year. Don't think he contributed all that much from play this year apart from the Kerry game, he's certainly learnt how to win a soft free this year too. He's been an exceptional forward for a long time and probably the best inside forward the last 5 years but he's not hit the heights of previous years.

McManus should be the first name on the All-Star team. Monaghan's system really only works with him there either scoring points, drawing frees or drawing double and triple marks.

Monagahan would be exposed for being a bunch of game but limited footballers if they didn't have 15.

Totally agree

From play he has been immense this year. He gets fouled as he is too good to let play


Mcmanus is class. If he was from dublin or kerry he would be their best forward at the moment. Automatic choice.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: The Subbie on August 18, 2018, 02:02:01 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 13, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Niall Morgan ahead of Beggan now. Best keeper in the country
Put the crack pipe down man, it's really affecting your mental facilities.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: straightred on August 18, 2018, 06:27:51 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on August 13, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Niall Morgan ahead of Beggan now. Best keeper in the country
The only person who might threaten Beggan is Cluxton but even then I think he won't. Cluxton let in a few soft goals this year (although he did redeem himself with the penalty save vs galway). He has been very harshly treated over the years by the all stars. E.g. Kealy from kerry got one in 2015 despite letting in a load of goals that year and not setting the world on fire with his other play either. That was when the finalists had to get 4 or 5 by default. Hopefully the super 8s will change that thinking,.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on September 03, 2018, 02:26:29 PM
Going by the odds the All stars will be

Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Padriag Hampsey (Tyrone)
Karl O Connell (Monaghan)
Tiernan McCann (Tyrone)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Brian Howard (Dublin)
Paul Mannion (Dublin)
Conor McManus (Monaghan)
David Clifford (Kerry)

Footballer of the year Ciaran Kilkenny
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mourne Red on September 03, 2018, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 03, 2018, 02:26:29 PM
Going by the odds the All stars will be

Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Padriag Hampsey (Tyrone)
Karl O Connell (Monaghan)
Tiernan McCann (Tyrone)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Brian Howard (Dublin)
Paul Mannion (Dublin)
Conor McManus (Monaghan)
David Clifford (Kerry)

Footballer of the year Ciaran Kilkenny

McCann? Wouldn't have him down for an All-Star
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 02:37:17 PM
FOTY is Brian Fenton for me.
Scoring, fielding, attacking, defending.
The perfect skill-set for a midfielder in any era.
Not sure what else he can do tbh.
Kilkenny orchestrates the attack but I hate to see him running sideways & backwards so much.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on September 03, 2018, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 02:37:17 PM
FOTY is Brian Fenton for me.
Scoring, fielding, attacking, defending.
The perfect skill-set for a midfielder in any era.
Not sure what else he can do tbh.
Kilkenny orchestrates the attack but I hate to see him running sideways & backwards so much.

Fenton has been superb again and might be value bet at 7/1. I think Kilkenny is doing less of the sideways & backwards stuff now and he added more scores to this game this summer. Ended up as the top scoring forward from play with 2-24 and the footballer of the year last year was Andy Moran with 3-24 from play.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: Gold on August 16, 2018, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2018, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 15, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 14, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
I can't understand why Conor McManus is rated to get an allstar. Good player and all, probably deserves a nomination, but well behind the likes of Clifford, Mannion, Murphy, Comer, Burke and Rock in my book. He was pretty poor yesterday bar his frees. Think he's just short of this level, which is not really an insult. The final gets too much sway in these things but at the moment I'd go for Clifford, Mannion, Burke in the FF line but that feels harsh on Comer and Murphy.

I think even with the last minute brain fart, Beggan should get keeper. Has been a real difference maker all season. Others I'd say are in the box seat with one game to go are Cooper, O'Connell, McCaffrey, Fenton, Cavanagh, Shane Walsh and Kilkenny. Perhaps this year with the Super 8's exposure it might be slightly lass Final-centric? Certainly should be anyway.

Pretty big statement to make Seanie.
Gets some super scores from play to go along with his free taking.

Given the amount of attention he gets from other teams, as they know take him out of it and you will beat Monaghan, it is pretty impressive what he returns each game

I wouldn't have McManus in my All Star team this year. Don't think he contributed all that much from play this year apart from the Kerry game, he's certainly learnt how to win a soft free this year too. He's been an exceptional forward for a long time and probably the best inside forward the last 5 years but he's not hit the heights of previous years.

McManus should be the first name on the All-Star team. Monaghan's system really only works with him there either scoring points, drawing frees or drawing double and triple marks.

Monagahan would be exposed for being a bunch of game but limited footballers if they didn't have 15.

Totally agree

From play he has been immense this year. He gets fouled as he is too good to let play

Perhaps I was little harsh on McManus although still think he's had better years and didn't get one.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 04:09:32 PM
I love the way people always have Michael Murphy in the running for an All-Star in the full forward line.
It wouldn't matter if he played in goals.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: yellowcard on September 03, 2018, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 03, 2018, 02:26:29 PM
Going by the odds the All stars will be

Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Padriag Hampsey (Tyrone)
Karl O Connell (Monaghan)
Tiernan McCann (Tyrone)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Brian Howard (Dublin)
Paul Mannion (Dublin)
Conor McManus (Monaghan)
David Clifford (Kerry)

Footballer of the year Ciaran Kilkenny

That will be near enough the team I'd say. Cluxton surely sealed an All Star yesterday though, his kickouts were masterful again. Beggan seemed a cert a month ago but not now. Also not sure about Cavanagh in midfield. If there was a designated 'sweeper' position then fine, he is extremely good at playing the role but in a footballing ability sense he is nowhere near being among the top midfielders.

Kilkenny will be player of the year and you could easily see 3 Dubs nominated this year. Kilkenny, Fenton and McCaffrey.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: straightred on September 03, 2018, 08:33:59 PM
Goalkeeper is the tight one and there seems to be a head of steam building up for Cluxton.
On this years work I think Beggan is ahead but I also think that Cluxton should have a lot more all stars than he has. The practice of balancing out allstar awards with all ireland losers is now coming back to bite them. Was Clarke better than Cluxton in 2016 and 2017. Kealy in 2015 was another strange one.

A possible solution is to give Beggan the allstar and give Cluxton footballer of the year. He'd be a very popular choice
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
Beggan is unfortunate in that the last thing most people remember him doing is ballooning the ball a mile off target with the last kick of the game in the semi-final.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 03, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
Beggan is unfortunate in that the last thing most people remember him doing is ballooning the ball a mile off target with the last kick of the game in the semi-final.
Some thought David Clarke wouldn't win All Star after getting dropped for the All Ireland final replay in 2016.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 09:13:05 PM
Most people thought the decision to drop him was ridiculous though.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: laoislad on September 03, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
Graham Brody has been outstanding in Goal for Laois this year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyCake on September 03, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus

Only one for the beaten finalists?

And if Rory Beggan doesn't get it over the hugely overrated Cluxton, it'll be a disgrace.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Hound on September 04, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 03, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
Graham Brody has been outstanding in Goal for Laois this year.
Absolutely. And it's probably unusual that three goalkeepers had such good years.
Brody had the disadvantage of not being able to show whether he could produce those performances in the Super 8. But you wouldn't doubt him.

It'd be a great achievement for anyone who doesn't make the Super 8 to get an All Star nomination. Brody should be a lock for that, which is testament to how well he played. But I think Beggan and Cluxton were able to pass him out.

Cluxton was superb in the All Ireland final, the biggest stage of all when the pressure is on. Even one of his bad kicks over the line may have been down to Small not reading it properly. And in the last 10 mins when we were down to 14, he was immaculately accurate. You could certainly point to his error in the semi final costing Dublin a goal, but he made a super save not 30 seconds after and saved a peno a few minutes after that.

I think whoever doesn't get it can count themselves very unfortunate.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: NAG1 on September 04, 2018, 02:42:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 03, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
Graham Brody has been outstanding in Goal for Laois this year.
Absolutely. And it's probably unusual that three goalkeepers had such good years.
Brody had the disadvantage of not being able to show whether he could produce those performances in the Super 8. But you wouldn't doubt him.

It'd be a great achievement for anyone who doesn't make the Super 8 to get an All Star nomination. Brody should be a lock for that, which is testament to how well he played. But I think Beggan and Cluxton were able to pass him out.

Cluxton was superb in the All Ireland final, the biggest stage of all when the pressure is on. Even one of his bad kicks over the line may have been down to Small not reading it properly. And in the last 10 mins when we were down to 14, he was immaculately accurate. You could certainly point to his error in the semi final costing Dublin a goal, but he made a super save not 30 seconds after and saved a peno a few minutes after that.

I think whoever doesn't get it can count themselves very unfortunate.

Beggan ruled himself out with the head stagger on the ball in the last moment of their game. Great year finished on a bad note.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: TheGreatest on September 04, 2018, 02:47:12 PM
One things for sure, it wont be the annual GAA GPA annual Sympathy for Mayo all Start awards this year.

Or will it.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: J70 on September 04, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
Beggan is unfortunate in that the last thing most people remember him doing is ballooning the ball a mile off target with the last kick of the game in the semi-final.

Paul Durcan slipped on a kick out and gifted the 2014 final to Kerry. Still got a deserved All Star. Give the selectors at least a bit of credit!

Doesn't mean Beggan will win it. Cluxton is a once-in-a-lifetime player who has been excellent again this season.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gold on September 04, 2018, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 03, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus
Pretty much spot on apart from McKernan. Would replace him with McMahon.


McMahon was roasted by Donie Kingston and the Longford FF in Leinster. I was at both games. Comer roasted him in League final I was at and bettered him in Semi Final.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gael85 on September 04, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: Gold on September 04, 2018, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 03, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus
Pretty much spot on apart from McKernan. Would replace him with McMahon.



McMahon was roasted by Donie Kingston and the Longford FF in Leinster. I was at both games. Comer roasted him in League final I was at and bettered him in Semi Final.

Agree not Philly best year. Had a tough year on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 04, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 03, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus

Only one for the beaten finalists?

And if Rory Beggan doesn't get it over the hugely overrated Cluxton, it'll be a disgrace.

Can you explain how Cluxton is hugely overrated?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on September 04, 2018, 05:40:32 PM
I think Cluxton is overrated when it comes to invocation - keepers did what he's doing before him - but in terms of sheer excellence at the position he's the best of all-time. I think Beggan deserves an All-Star for his own development but he didn't exactly blow the barn doors off in the AISFs.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyCake on September 04, 2018, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 04, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 03, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus

Only one for the beaten finalists?

And if Rory Beggan doesn't get it over the hugely overrated Cluxton, it'll be a disgrace.

Can you explain how Cluxton is hugely overrated?

Anything he seems to do is magnified as some otherworldly deed.

Knocking the ball to the corner back is hardly worthy of so much praise. Rory Beggan is vastly superior.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on September 05, 2018, 12:14:49 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 04, 2018, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 04, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 03, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus

Only one for the beaten finalists?

And if Rory Beggan doesn't get it over the hugely overrated Cluxton, it'll be a disgrace.

Can you explain how Cluxton is hugely overrated?

Anything he seems to do is magnified as some otherworldly deed.

Knocking the ball to the corner back is hardly worthy of so much praise. Rory Beggan is vastly superior.

Back to bedroom sleep it off for you.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
I'm guessing his next act is to remind us that the vastly overrated Federer is no match for Andy Murray, followed by a clarification that Usain Bolt might have all the medals, but he wasn't that quick.

Sometimes things in life should just be too obvious to argue with. Cluxton's performance levels have made him a clear contender for an All Star every year for nearly 15 years, and the accuracy of his kick outs singlehandedly changed the role of goalkeeper forever. He's not overrated. He's the greatest keeper of all time by a distance.

Rory Beggan being able to kick a ball farther than any known human being doesn't change this.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: oakleaflad on September 05, 2018, 09:22:23 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 05, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
I'm guessing his next act is to remind us that the vastly overrated Federer is no match for Andy Murray, followed by a clarification that Usain Bolt might have all the medals, but he wasn't that quick.

Sometimes things in life should just be too obvious to argue with. Cluxton's performance levels have made him a clear contender for an All Star every year for nearly 15 years, and the accuracy of his kick outs singlehandedly changed the role of goalkeeper forever. He's not overrated. He's the greatest keeper of all time by a distance.

Rory Beggan being able to kick a ball farther than any known human being doesn't change this.
Cluxton is the best keeper of all time but he hasn't been the best this year. I think Beggan has been quite a bit better this year to be honest but may be hindered by the fact that his last decision in this years championship was his worst.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on September 05, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
Cluxton has dramatically changed the game (at county level anyway - maybe higher level club too). What Beggan does (and I think Beggan deserves the all star) has been shaped by how Cluxton changed the game. Kickout strategies are now one of the major tactical battles in the game (and were again on sunday with the poor morgan kickout starting the rot).

The only other player, in my view, who changed the game so much was Brian Dooher. I think he moulded the "modern" half forward.

Cluxton kicked maybe 2 out of play on sunday but even with hitting a few poor kickouts, and given stats on winning possession he clearly didn't hit many more, none of his poor kickouts had a significant impact on the game. Other goalies can't hit this level of consistency at all.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 05, 2018, 09:30:49 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 03, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 03, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
My team:
1. S Cluxton 2. Eoghan B Gallagher 3. J Cooper 4. M McKernan 5 R McHugh 6. K O'Connell 7. J McCaffrey 8. B Fenton 9. J McCarthy 10. S Walsh 11. C Kilkenny 12. B Howard 13. D Clifford 14. D Flynn 15 C McManus
Pretty much spot on apart from McKernan. Would replace him with McMahon.
So none for the beaten finalists then?  ???

Hampsey is a cert for me.
Mckernan had a good break through year, but hadnt a good final, so will miss out
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyCake on September 05, 2018, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 05, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
I'm guessing his next act is to remind us that the vastly overrated Federer is no match for Andy Murray, followed by a clarification that Usain Bolt might have all the medals, but he wasn't that quick.

Sometimes things in life should just be too obvious to argue with. Cluxton's performance levels have made him a clear contender for an All Star every year for nearly 15 years, and the accuracy of his kick outs singlehandedly changed the role of goalkeeper forever. He's not overrated. He's the greatest keeper of all time by a distance.

Rory Beggan being able to kick a ball farther than any known human being doesn't change this.

Beggan is a better all round keeper. The only reason he doesn't get the credit is because Monaghan aren't winning AI's.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: JoG2 on September 05, 2018, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2018, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 05, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
I'm guessing his next act is to remind us that the vastly overrated Federer is no match for Andy Murray, followed by a clarification that Usain Bolt might have all the medals, but he wasn't that quick.

Sometimes things in life should just be too obvious to argue with. Cluxton's performance levels have made him a clear contender for an All Star every year for nearly 15 years, and the accuracy of his kick outs singlehandedly changed the role of goalkeeper forever. He's not overrated. He's the greatest keeper of all time by a distance.

Rory Beggan being able to kick a ball farther than any known human being doesn't change this.

Beggan is a better all round keeper. The only reason he doesn't get the credit is because Monaghan aren't winning AI's.

you're losing the run of yourself here. Beggan gets huge credit, and rightly so, he is pretty much lauded as the best about atm alongside Cluxton. Cluxton is certainly not overrated
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on September 05, 2018, 10:21:47 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

I'll agree he wasn't Galway's best and in fairness Flynn probably had a better year. Overrated is just not true however. If anything his cartoonish look and size makes opposing fans hate him and underrate him. People think he lacks skill, despite being able to keep control when lads are on his back and having two good feet. Had the penalty been scored against Dublin then he'd have directly accounted for 8 points in that game from little to no ball and a full time sweeper in front. Has a player accounted for that much against Dublin in years? Yet people say he had a quiet game. Add to that what he did in the league final. He's not a big hype player, he's a lad that had a very quiet start to his career that forced his way into peoples minds through sheer production and effectiveness.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.

haha, you're on a roll this morning with the windups.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on September 05, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.

You're clearly just a muppet so. A lucky goal when he wins a high ball amongst 3 Dubs. Wins a penalty and a tap over free also, off about 6 balls kicked into him and a full time sweeper in front. Terrible indeed
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on September 05, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.

You're clearly just a muppet so. A lucky goal when he wins a high ball amongst 3 Dubs. Wins a penalty and a tap over free also, off about 6 balls kicked into him and a full time sweeper in front. Terrible indeed

Some Kildare people are still very sore from the defeat by Galway, not all though.

Comer won't get an All Star but he had a very good year; He was superb in the league but probably didn't hit the heights in the championship but still contributed a lot. Comer became one of the top forwards in the game during 2018 but still think he can get a lot better. He can improve his movement and there's times when he can move the ball and probably needs to learn to be less selfish at times but he's only turned 24 and this was the first year that full forward really became the position he settled on. As you state he's nearly always double marked whilst Ian Burke never is which is clearly going to have a major impact on boths contributions.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on September 05, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.

You're clearly just a muppet so. A lucky goal when he wins a high ball amongst 3 Dubs. Wins a penalty and a tap over free also, off about 6 balls kicked into him and a full time sweeper in front. Terrible indeed

Serious levels of preciousness, man disagrees with my opinion, I am so insecure I must call him a muppet to validate my manliness. It was a lucky goal, Cluxton f*cked up, pretty obvious to anyone with 2 eyes.

A lucky goal and point against Dublin
1 point against Monaghan
Decent display against Kildare, 3 points and some of the judges gave him 5.6 for some of his dives, loss points for artistic merit
1 point against Kerry

Hardly scoring performances for one of the best "full forwards" in the game.

Shane Walsh and Ian Burke would be in the conversation if you were picking an Irish front six, Comer way down the pecking order.

Would you like a tissue?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 05, 2018, 12:26:07 PM
In fairness to Comer he was probably the only forward who consistently gave Dublin real trouble all year between the league final and the AI semi-final. He just didn't get enough steady possession to cause even more problems for them in those games. He had a few quiestish games too though like against Kerry and Monaghan (where in fairness nobody turned up really).

I think Walsh is more likely to collect an All-Star though if Galway get one. You could argue Burke as well.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on September 05, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.

You're clearly just a muppet so. A lucky goal when he wins a high ball amongst 3 Dubs. Wins a penalty and a tap over free also, off about 6 balls kicked into him and a full time sweeper in front. Terrible indeed

Some Kildare people are still very sore from the defeat by Galway, not all though.

Comer won't get an All Star but he had a very good year; He was superb in the league but probably didn't hit the heights in the championship but still contributed a lot. Comer became one of the top forwards in the game during 2018 but still think he can get a lot better. He can improve his movement and there's times when he can move the ball and probably needs to learn to be less selfish at times but he's only turned 24 and this was the first year that full forward really became the position he settled on. As you state he's nearly always double marked whilst Ian Burke never is which is clearly going to have a major impact on boths contributions.

I am not sore, congratulated Galway and felt the best team won, I did highlight Galways dark arts and some Galway supporters displayed levels of preciousness on this board unseen on this board since the days of the Cheeky Dubs.

If you think Comer has a higher ceiling then I hope he reaches it, interviews well and comes across as a good lad, I just don't rate him. Maybe the hype has put a burden on him and his young shoulders couldn't handle it especially if he didn't have the strongest underage pedigree. If some called Dan Flynn or Kevin Feeley over-rated, sobeit, we all have like opinons man!
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on September 05, 2018, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on September 05, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

I agree in many a game he was, he was terrible on the big stage bar a lucky goal and even luckier point against Dublin, he just failed to deliver, over-hyped because of his size. Reminds me of Niall Sheridan from Longford, although Niall could play a bit.

People are allowed different opinions btw. I think Galway supporters are definitely the most precious, Tyrone though are running them close.

You're clearly just a muppet so. A lucky goal when he wins a high ball amongst 3 Dubs. Wins a penalty and a tap over free also, off about 6 balls kicked into him and a full time sweeper in front. Terrible indeed

Some Kildare people are still very sore from the defeat by Galway, not all though.

Comer won't get an All Star but he had a very good year; He was superb in the league but probably didn't hit the heights in the championship but still contributed a lot. Comer became one of the top forwards in the game during 2018 but still think he can get a lot better. He can improve his movement and there's times when he can move the ball and probably needs to learn to be less selfish at times but he's only turned 24 and this was the first year that full forward really became the position he settled on. As you state he's nearly always double marked whilst Ian Burke never is which is clearly going to have a major impact on boths contributions.

I am not sore, congratulated Galway and felt the best team won, I did highlight Galways dark arts and some Galway supporters displayed levels of preciousness on this board unseen on this board since the days of the Cheeky Dubs.

If you think Comer has a higher ceiling then I hope he reaches it, interviews well and comes across as a good lad, I just don't rate him. Maybe the hype has put a burden on him and his young shoulders couldn't handle it especially if he didn't have the strongest underage pedigree. If some called Dan Flynn or Kevin Feeley over-rated, sobeit, we all have like opinons man!

Ah this auld "preciousness" narrative from Dinny again, the hypocrisy of the whingeing from some Kildare fans was called out at the time as anyone with two eyes who was at the match could have seen that the off the ball stuff was dealt out by both teams, as it is in every top level match. In response Galway fans were then called precious by yourself, that was the height of it.

More on topic, Comer won't get, and doesn't deserve, an All Star this year. Shane Walsh is the only Galway player in with a shout of one.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: bennydorano on September 05, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
Scores from play is not the only indicator of a Top forward, how many frees was he responsible for winning? A lot of the time forwards are nailed in the danger zones before getting a shot off. It's regularly overlooked.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 01:33:57 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 05, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
Scores from play is not the only indicator of a Top forward, how many frees was he responsible for winning? A lot of the time forwards are nailed in the danger zones before getting a shot off. It's regularly overlooked.

Ian Burke was the architect in chief. He created far more chances than Comer.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: square_ball on September 05, 2018, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 05, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
Scores from play is not the only indicator of a Top forward, how many frees was he responsible for winning? A lot of the time forwards are nailed in the danger zones before getting a shot off. It's regularly overlooked.
m

A bugbear of mine is when a defender is praised for keeping his man scoreless when what the attacker done in terms of scores created, frees one etc is ignored. Too simplistic of an analysis.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on September 05, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 05, 2018, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2018, 07:13:06 PM
Peter Canavan's Team of the Year:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)

3. Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone)

4. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)

5. James McCarthy (Dublin)

6. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

9. Brian Howard (Dublin)

10. Paul Mannion (Dublin)

11. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

12. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)

13. David Clifford (Kerry)

14. Damien Comer (Galway)

15. Conor McManus (Monaghan)

Comer wasn't even Galway's best ffs. Such an over-rated player, still just a big lump, who has now developed the ability to go down with the slightest touch. Dan Flynn who scored probably the 2 goals of the championship, 3 if you include his one against Fermanagh, would be ahead of him for me for one.

Just clueless.

Comer is one of the best forwards in the game and yet there's still many aspects of his game he can improve on.

Didn't help that he was pulled back wing back most the time, one of the most dangerous forwards in the final third
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Jinxy on September 05, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 05, 2018, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 05, 2018, 01:14:43 PM
Scores from play is not the only indicator of a Top forward, how many frees was he responsible for winning? A lot of the time forwards are nailed in the danger zones before getting a shot off. It's regularly overlooked.
m

A bugbear of mine is when a defender is praised for keeping his man scoreless when what the attacker done in terms of scores created, frees one etc is ignored. Too simplistic of an analysis.

That's a godsend in club football though when your mates are reading the match reports.
They don't put assists in brackets after the forwards name.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on September 07, 2018, 07:13:12 PM
Not altogether relevant, but anyway...Comer the unskillful lump is putting on an exhibition in a club hurling game tonight. The most skillful game of all we're told and one he barely plays
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: timmyot501 on September 12, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
All star nominations out this morning

Goalkeepers: Graham Brody (Laois), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

Defenders: Ryan Wylie (Monaghan), Drew Wylie (Monaghan), Karl O'Connell (Monaghan), Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Eoin Murchan (Dublin), Jack McCaffrey (Dublin), James McCarthy (Dublin), Sean Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Galway), Seán Kelly (Galway), Eoin Kerin (Galway), Eoin Doyle (Kildare), Peter Harte (Tyrone), Tiernan McCann (Tyrone), Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Michael McKernan (Tyrone), Gavin White (Kerry), Che Cullen (Fermanagh), Eoghan Bán Gallagher (Donegal).

Midfielders: Brian Fenton (Dublin), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone), Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Niall Kearns (Monaghan), Thomas Flynn (Galway).

Forwards: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Paul Mannion (Dublin), Brian Howard (Dublin), Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Dean Rock (Dublin), Niall Scully (Dublin), Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paul Broderick (Carlow), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan), Ian Burke (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), Damien Comer (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paul Cribbin (Kildare), Daniel Flynn (Kildare).

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on September 12, 2018, 08:22:24 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 12, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
All star nominations out this morning

Goalkeepers: Graham Brody (Laois), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

Defenders: Ryan Wylie (Monaghan), Drew Wylie (Monaghan), Karl O'Connell (Monaghan), Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Eoin Murchan (Dublin), Jack McCaffrey (Dublin), James McCarthy (Dublin), Sean Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Galway), Seán Kelly (Galway), Eoin Kerin (Galway), Eoin Doyle (Kildare), Peter Harte (Tyrone), Tiernan McCann (Tyrone), Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Michael McKernan (Tyrone), Gavin White (Kerry), Che Cullen (Fermanagh), Eoghan Bán Gallagher (Donegal).

Midfielders: Brian Fenton (Dublin), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone), Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Niall Kearns (Monaghan), Thomas Flynn (Galway).

Forwards: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Paul Mannion (Dublin), Brian Howard (Dublin), Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Dean Rock (Dublin), Niall Scully (Dublin), Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paul Broderick (Carlow), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan), Ian Burke (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), Damien Comer (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paul Cribbin (Kildare), Daniel Flynn (Kildare).
Nice to see Brody from Laois and Broderick from Carlow being nominated. No Rossies. That is the problem with getting an easy Connacht semi.

Only 2 Kerry nominees- very few would have predicted that at the start of the season
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: jb81 on September 12, 2018, 10:18:59 AM
Amazed Conor McAliskey didn't gert nominated. Don't think he would have got one. But second highest scorer assumed he would get nominated.



Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 10:27:18 AM
Tough choice.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 12, 2018, 10:31:43 AM
Galway, Monaghan & Tyrone all have 7 players nominated.

Only one Tyrone forward though, fairly sums up where their issues are.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Hound on September 12, 2018, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 12, 2018, 10:31:43 AM
Galway, Monaghan & Tyrone all have 7 players nominated.

Only one Tyrone forward though, fairly sums up where their issues are.
Actually 2 Tyrone forwards there, but one of them nominated in defence because he likes number 7!

I would have had McBrearty in my nomination list, despite missing a crucial part of the season.

Didn't think Doyle was the best Kildare defender on show this year. Maybe I didn't see enough of them, but I would have chosen Peter Kelly.

Pity there's not a 16th award for All Star Super Sub of the Year  ;D
Although maybe I'm only saying that because Kev Mac would have won it 4 or 5 times since 2011! 
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2018, 01:29:09 PM
Has this nonsense not been abolished yet?
I suppose we didn't get any in the defence?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 12, 2018, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 12, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
All star nominations out this morning

Goalkeepers: Graham Brody (Laois), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

Defenders: Ryan Wylie (Monaghan), Drew Wylie (Monaghan), Karl O'Connell (Monaghan), Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Eoin Murchan (Dublin), Jack McCaffrey (Dublin), James McCarthy (Dublin), Sean Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Galway), Seán Kelly (Galway), Eoin Kerin (Galway), Eoin Doyle (Kildare), Peter Harte (Tyrone), Tiernan McCann (Tyrone), Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Michael McKernan (Tyrone), Gavin White (Kerry), Che Cullen (Fermanagh), Eoghan Bán Gallagher (Donegal).

Midfielders: Brian Fenton (Dublin), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone), Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Niall Kearns (Monaghan), Thomas Flynn (Galway).

Forwards: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Paul Mannion (Dublin), Brian Howard (Dublin), Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Dean Rock (Dublin), Niall Scully (Dublin), Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paul Broderick (Carlow), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan), Ian Burke (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), Damien Comer (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paul Cribbin (Kildare), Daniel Flynn (Kildare).

Well done to Rory Grugan. Its a long time since no Mayo man was on the nomination list.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on September 12, 2018, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 12, 2018, 10:31:43 AM
Galway, Monaghan & Tyrone all have 7 players nominated.

Only one Tyrone forward though, fairly sums up where their issues are.

Only Conor McManus scored more than Connor McAliskey this summer and he scored more from play than McManus. Very odd he's not nominated.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Itchy on September 12, 2018, 03:00:17 PM
There is nothing odd about any of this. Its a pile of shite and its always been a pile of shite. There is no relationship between the best players and who is nominated. The AI winner has to get 10 and 2nd has to get a few. Then throw in an odd one just to make it look like every county has been considered.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 12, 2018, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 12, 2018, 01:10:16 PM
Didn't think Doyle was the best Kildare defender on show this year. Maybe I didn't see enough of them, but I would have chosen Peter Kelly.

I would have said Kevin Flynn but he's probably not a big enough 'name' yet. On Peter Kelly, it's long odds on that he will remain the only current player in Leinster outside of Dublin with an All Star to his name.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: J70 on September 12, 2018, 05:27:35 PM
Shame McBrearty got injured.

Aside from how his absence affected the Donegal team, with the form he was in he would have been a shoe-in for a nomination and would have had a good shot at winning an award.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on September 12, 2018, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 12, 2018, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: timmyot501 on September 12, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
All star nominations out this morning

Goalkeepers: Graham Brody (Laois), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

Defenders: Ryan Wylie (Monaghan), Drew Wylie (Monaghan), Karl O'Connell (Monaghan), Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Eoin Murchan (Dublin), Jack McCaffrey (Dublin), James McCarthy (Dublin), Sean Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Galway), Seán Kelly (Galway), Eoin Kerin (Galway), Eoin Doyle (Kildare), Peter Harte (Tyrone), Tiernan McCann (Tyrone), Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Michael McKernan (Tyrone), Gavin White (Kerry), Che Cullen (Fermanagh), Eoghan Bán Gallagher (Donegal).

Midfielders: Brian Fenton (Dublin), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone), Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Niall Kearns (Monaghan), Thomas Flynn (Galway).

Forwards: Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Paul Mannion (Dublin), Brian Howard (Dublin), Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin), Con O'Callaghan (Dublin), Dean Rock (Dublin), Niall Scully (Dublin), Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paul Broderick (Carlow), Rory Grugan (Armagh), Conor McManus (Monaghan), Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan), Ian Burke (Galway), Shane Walsh (Galway), Damien Comer (Galway), David Clifford (Kerry), Paul Cribbin (Kildare), Daniel Flynn (Kildare).

Well done to Rory Grugan. Its a long time since no Mayo man was on the nomination list.

Agreed. Delighted to see Grugan in there
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 07:06:04 AM
Beggan got the Allstar

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/football-all-stars-revealed-dublin-claim-seven-but-stephen-cluxton-misses-out-once-again-37480480.html

All-Ireland champions Dublin lead the way overall with seven honours after they secured a fourth consecutive All-Ireland title.
Monaghan are next on the list, with Beggan joined by Karl O'Connell and Conor McManus, who picks up his third award.

Beaten All-Ireland finalists Tyrone pick up just two awards, both in defence, through Cavanagh and Padraig Hampsey.
Donegal, Galway and Kerry complete the list, with Ryan McHugh, Ian Burke and David Clifford picking up spots in the forward division.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1031/1007851-dublin-dominate-team/




Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 07:55:11 AM
Cluxton was screwed. Ryan McHugh and Ian Burke lucky as well. Thought Dean Rock and maybe Shane Walsh would get in
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2018, 08:01:29 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 07:55:11 AM
Cluxton was screwed. Ryan McHugh and Ian Burke lucky as well. Thought Dean Rock and maybe Shane Walsh would get in

Cluxton had a few ropey moments. Beggan, barring his brain fart at the end of the semi final had a flawless year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
Monaghan got more than Tyrone which says a lot about where Tyrone really are at the moment in the eyes of the selection group
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2018, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
Monaghan got more than Tyrone which says a lot about where Tyrone really are at the moment in the eyes of the selection group

I'm sure they're gutted.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
Monaghan got more than Tyrone which says a lot about where Tyrone really are at the moment in the eyes of the selection group

Meh. Beat Donegal comfortably on their own pitch and got past monaghan on an off day. Wouldn't fear any of them next year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2018, 08:35:32 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.

Yea. The hullabaloo over Mayo getting any last year must've gone on till Christmas.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 08:45:23 AM
Delighted to see Beggan get a deserved award. After all the Cluxton talk following the final, I feared he'd have got the nod, but the right call was made for me.

It's just a pity that all the headlines are about Cluxton, overshadowing a great achievement for Beggan. Cluxton has been overlooked in the past but that doesn't mean he should have taken this year over Beggan, that would have been the real travesty. And then you have eejits like Brady taking to Twitter to express their utter outrage at this decision, him in particular going over the top saying Cluxton was "head, shoulders, hands and feet above anything else".
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2018, 08:01:29 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 07:55:11 AM
Cluxton was screwed. Ryan McHugh and Ian Burke lucky as well. Thought Dean Rock and maybe Shane Walsh would get in

Cluxton had a few ropey moments. Beggan, barring his brain fart at the end of the semi final had a flawless year.

He was fault for the Fermanagh goal that knocked them out. His kick outs at the end of the Kerry game collapsed and Kerry got 4 scores to get the draw
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.

The whole world is not against Dublin. Just it sure what standards Cluxton has to reach to win an All Star. It's ridiculous to think that for all the domination the dubs have had and his role in that he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 08:56:32 AM
The biggest talking point for me is Ian Burke & Ryan McHugh getting one ahead of Shane Walsh mainly Ian Burke as they were always only going to give Galway one.

I'm listening to OFB this morning and some of the talk about Cluxton is just pathetic. It was probably a 50:50 decision with Beggan making more mistakes but he also was involved in the more spectacular play, that kickout in the first half against Kerry was something else and he was kicking frees from distances that only a few could make.

I'm a huge fan of Ian Burke and he had a great championship but what won't be mentioned is how he benefits from playing alongside Comer who is double marked nearly everytime the ball comes into the full forward line. Shane Walsh really stood up this year and hopefully is becoming the player many of us thought he'd become, he has every right to be very disappointed.



Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1028312802405040128?lang=en

Terrible, terrible goalkeeping.

Didn't cost his team the game like Beggan did TWICE. Once v Fermanagh and his rush of blood/kamikaze effort v Tyrone
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on November 01, 2018, 09:00:41 AM
This is the least egregious of the Cluxton 'snubs'. Beggan was always favorite after that insane performance vs Kerry. McHugh is the bizarre one, superb player but two more deserving teammates alone this year never mind players elsewhere
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 09:02:32 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.

The whole world is not against Dublin. Just it sure what standards Cluxton has to reach to win an All Star. It's ridiculous to think that for all the domination the dubs have had and his role in that he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years.

Are ye ever happy though? After winning 4 in a row and still giving out.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2018, 09:03:37 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.

The whole world is not against Dublin. Just it sure what standards Cluxton has to reach to win an All Star. It's ridiculous to think that for all the domination the dubs have had and his role in that he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years.

See KK about their goalie never getting one for a while when they dominated. Sure you compare them to your own domination so much...
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 09:02:32 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.

The whole world is not against Dublin. Just it sure what standards Cluxton has to reach to win an All Star. It's ridiculous to think that for all the domination the dubs have had and his role in that he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years.

Are ye ever happy though? After winning 4 in a row and still giving out.

As a comment I seen somewhere else said, "If Dublin got the 15 spots they'd be giving out about their subs not getting all stars!"

God help any other keeper who wins an award until Cluxton retires, there's always those giving out that Cluxton was snubbed. I might be biased but Beggan had a fantastic year and I really didn't think there would be this apparent level of controversy. Sure he had a couple of off moments, but so did Cluxton this year, his season certainly wasn't blemish-free.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 09:02:32 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: mup on November 01, 2018, 08:25:21 AM
As sure as the James McClean/Poppy row rears its ugly head every year so does the Steven Cluxton/All Star row.

Rory Beggan deserves the all star. Some Dubs think the whole world is against them.

The whole world is not against Dublin. Just it sure what standards Cluxton has to reach to win an All Star. It's ridiculous to think that for all the domination the dubs have had and his role in that he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years.

Are ye ever happy though? After winning 4 in a row and still giving out.

It's not just dubs giving out about Cluxton not getting the award. I also pointed out that McHugh and Burke were lucky but the majority of posters ignored that and just commented on Cluxton or commented the dubs always complaining.

I would have had Dean Rock ahead of Ian Burke and Shane Walsh ahead of Ryan McHugh.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2018, 09:34:21 AM
I wouldn't disagree with those changes. Burke and Walsh was probably a 50/50 call. Beggan for my money had a better season. But again it was probably a marginal call. I don't think it warrants the outrage on social media to the point where it's devaluing Beggan getting the award.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: yellowcard on November 01, 2018, 09:41:03 AM
Cluxton is a victim of his own success. He has set such ridiculously high standards of consistency that it has become harder for him to shine in the eyes of the selectors. I would have gone for Cluxton but I can see how Beggan got the award since he was excellent in the main throughout the year although he had little wobbles in some of Monaghans biggest moments of the year.

McHugh is another excellent player but I thought his choice was a bit left field as well whilst I think Shane Walsh is Galways best forward and can feel very hard done by.

As ever with these awards though, they are all subjective.   
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: phpearse on November 01, 2018, 10:04:57 AM
Cluxton for me is the best in his position for the past number of years and rightly could/should be awarded an All Star each year that Dublin wins the All Ireland. He is so important to how they play and rarely makes a mistake. I think the mistake Beggan made against Tyrone should be a massive black mark against him. That wasn't his job to shoot wildly from distance. It wasn't a goal keeping mistake, like dropping a ball on his own goal line, that would be understandable but he ventured upfield and hoofed the ball to no man and cost Monaghan a chance to draw that game.

In the AIF Cluxton was inch perfect. The mark of a standard out player is that calmness under pressure. Cluxton for me is the common link that makes various Dublin teams over the past number of years so good. When he goes Dublin just won't be as good.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Anyone not from Dublin think Cluxton was robbed of one?

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 10:11:22 AM
Clucko has 5 afaik and will probably win another Sam next year.
Beggan may never have another year like 2018. He is a Monaghan legend. They recognised that.

In this era of football empire the All Stars are the only form of recognition available to non Dub players. And it is so subjective. Not dubjective.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on November 01, 2018, 10:12:04 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Anyone not from Dublin think Cluxton was robbed of one?

Nah. He was robbed last year but what Beggan was doing this year was unprecedented and while Cluxtons kickouts were masterful as usual, he made a few mistakes outside that
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: redhandofgod on November 01, 2018, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Anyone not from Dublin think Cluxton was robbed of one?
yes, monaghan got 3?? and they couldnt even win ulster after defeating a weakened tyrone team in the first round.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on November 01, 2018, 10:17:34 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.

Shane Walsh will feel hard done by, he kept Galway in the Connacht final when all around were playing badly, Burke is excellent but I didn't think he was the best Galway player this year.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Anyone not from Dublin think Cluxton was robbed of one?
Beggan was excellent this year, Cluxton could have definitely got it but I don't think he was robbed.
That being said Cluxton not getting any All Star in the last 5 years is clearly absurd though. The years Clarke and Kealy got awards over him were far worse snubs than Beggan this year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on November 01, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2018, 08:46:20 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
Monaghan got more than Tyrone which says a lot about where Tyrone really are at the moment in the eyes of the selection group

Meh. Beat Donegal comfortably on their own pitch and got past monaghan on an off day. Wouldn't fear any of them next year.
Donegal comfortably? About 8 minutes was comfortable. You were behind the rest.

It was a comfortable win away from home
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on November 01, 2018, 11:11:56 AM
Tyrone are probably more a unit. They have some very good players but they don't seem to be a team where one or two will really stand out every day for them. Donegal have that in Gallagher and McHugh. Monaghan in O'Connell , McManus and Beggan.

It was subs that swung it for them against Donegal late on and having more depth - not that comfortable a win.

I would agree with an fhairche abu. I don't think it's an outrage Cluxton didn't get one this year but he should have got one several other years. He's one of the most influential players in the game and has changed the shape of the game this last 10 years with a new role for goalies kickouts. I also thought Walsh instead of Burke.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.
1 All Star is a sign of where the team is at. I think the last All Star was 2003.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 01, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.
1 All Star is a sign of where the team is at. I think the last All Star was 2003.
Yes was manager Kevin Walsh. Could have got Ian Burke at 3/1 to win one, i recall reading somewhere that Burke was more involved in scores than any other Galway forward (created or scored) and maybe that's why he got the nod over Shane Walsh.

Rory Beggan was odds on to win one but then again so was Tiernan McCann and he didn't get one.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Duine Eile on November 01, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.

Like you I thought we'd get one and it'd go to either Comer or Walsh. In saying that I was delighted  Ian Burke was nominated but thought the role he plays would rule him out seeing as he doesn't shoot the lights out every day but if you look at the amount of Galway scores he had a hand in this summer its phenomenal, I think I saw somewhere on twitter he either scored or had a role in over a third of Galway's scores in the championship. Big night for the Burke family tomorrow night with Daithí nearly certain to get one on the hurling team also.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
Historians of Gaelic football will surely wonder how the most   influential footballer on one of the greatest teams ever was not awarded an All Star in any one four successive years in which he lifted the Sam Maguire as captain. Stephen Cluxton is far more than just a goalkeeper.

A grave injustice.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
Historians of Gaelic football will surely wonder how the most   influential footballer on one of the greatest teams ever was not awarded an All Star in any one four successive years in which he lifted the Sam Maguire as captain. Stephen Cluxton is far more than just a goalkeeper.

A grave injustice.

Sure why didn't tell me before? I never knew that the captain of the winning AI team automatically receives an All Star.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
What other goalkeeper over the last four years has dictated the course of games the way that Stephen Cluxton has?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mup on November 01, 2018, 12:36:14 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
What other goalkeeper over the last four years has dictated the course of games the way that Stephen Cluxton has?

Rory Beggan, David Clarke and Brendan Kealy - obviously.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2018, 12:37:20 PM
There should be an appeals process.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on November 01, 2018, 12:43:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2018, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 01, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
Historians of Gaelic football will surely wonder how the most   influential footballer on one of the greatest teams ever was not awarded an All Star in any one four successive years in which he lifted the Sam Maguire as captain. Stephen Cluxton is far more than just a goalkeeper.

A grave injustice.
When they have an All Star for the "Far more than just a goalkeeper" position, he'll be in with a great shout.

He'd lose that surely also given that Beggan is slotting 60 yarders?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Rossfan on November 01, 2018, 12:44:17 PM
I presume we didn't get any >:(
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: square_ball on November 01, 2018, 12:57:53 PM
One things for certain he'll get one next year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on November 01, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2018, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 01, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2018, 08:46:20 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
Monaghan got more than Tyrone which says a lot about where Tyrone really are at the moment in the eyes of the selection group

Meh. Beat Donegal comfortably on their own pitch and got past monaghan on an off day. Wouldn't fear any of them next year.
Donegal comfortably? About 8 minutes was comfortable. You were behind the rest.

It was a comfortable win away from home
It would appear so, looking at the scoreline. It wasn't comfortable in reality. Tyrone looked beat with 10 minutes to go.

So? Tyrone were 4 up on Dublin in the all Ireland final. Only score that matters is the final score.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 01, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Congrats to Ian Burke. I'll be honest I thought he wouldn't get one as I thought we'd get one All-Star and it would be Shane Walsh. Shane can probably feel fairly hard done by. He was excellent all season apart from maybe the final Super 8 game against Monaghan. Good against Mayo, outstanding in the Connacht final, good against Kerry on an awful day and hit 1-5 against Dublin in the semi (1-2 from play).
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
Was reading Tomas O'Se and Ciaran Whealan have had their says Cluxton on Hoganstand.  Didn't realise he hasn't received one for 5 years which is maddening but don't agree its because he doesn't interact with the media. 

Think Beggan is a well deserving winner.  Cluxton is that good of a keeper and seldom makes mistakes so it hard for him to stand out anymore than he already does in my opinion.   

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
It was a case that Stephen Cluxton a good keeper on a great team lost out to Rory Beggan who had a great year on a good team.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
Was reading Tomas O'Se and Ciaran Whealan have had their says Cluxton on Hoganstand.  Didn't realise he hasn't received one for 5 years which is maddening but don't agree its because he doesn't interact with the media. 

Think Beggan is a well deserving winner.  Cluxton is that good of a keeper and seldom makes mistakes so it hard for him to stand out anymore than he already does in my opinion.   

O'Se's reasoning that he'd give it Cluxton every year is bullshit, because he calls him the best keeper and most influential player in general.That's not how all star selections work.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Hound on November 01, 2018, 02:17:39 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on November 01, 2018, 10:17:34 AM

Beggan was excellent this year, Cluxton could have definitely got it but I don't think he was robbed.
That being said Cluxton not getting any All Star in the last 5 years is clearly absurd though. The years Clarke and Kealy got awards over him were far worse snubs than Beggan this year.

Agreed. There were other years when Cluxton was absolutely robbed, and if he'd got those, there'd be no controversy about this year's award. I thought his performance in the final might have been enough to get him this one, particularly because of previous years going against him, but it was very close and Beggan also deserved it, so I've no problem with him picking up one.

Conversely, I think James McCarthy and Ryan McHugh both picked up awards for being consistently good over a number of years rather than being great this year.

Tiernan McCann unlucky, but I though McCaffrey and O'Connell are the right wing back options. With (IMO) no dominant centre half back this year, I would have put Cavanagh there, opening the way for another in the full back line. Maybe Eoin Ban G, with Cooper moving to 3 where he played a lot.

Shane Walsh not getting one is very surprising. Especially with the contrived move of Howard to midfield to get an extra forward in.  I would have gone Mannion-Kilkenny-Walsh, Clifford-McManus-Rock.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: thewobbler on November 01, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
When the best keeper in the country wins an All-Ireland, the only way any other keeper can "deserve" an All Star is to have had a better season than him.

Beggan wasn't better than Cluxton this year. He might have been there or thereabouts, but he wasn't better. So the award should have went to the champion.

Some people don't want to hear this. They just want recognition for a player. It was a sympathy vote for Beggan in my estimation, which isn't what All Stars should be about.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2018, 02:25:43 PM
Cluxton suffers in part because his excellence is taken as a given at this point.

Its a difficult one. Do we just hand it to him every year when he once again sets the standard, or does his universally-recognized status as probably the best and most influential keeper ever leave some room to honour other keepers achieving excellence in his wake?

Maybe Cluxton is beyond mere All Stars at this point.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 02:34:14 PM
Beggan won a county final this year. Clucko didn't
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: DuffleKing on November 01, 2018, 03:00:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 01, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
When the best keeper in the country wins an All-Ireland, the only way any other keeper can "deserve" an All Star is to have had a better season than him.

Beggan wasn't better than Cluxton this year. He might have been there or thereabouts, but he wasn't better. So the award should have went to the champion.

Some people don't want to hear this. They just want recognition for a player. It was a sympathy vote for Beggan in my estimation, which isn't what All Stars should be about.

I guess that's why it's a game of opinions. In my opinion Beggan was clearly better this year and his combined performances were possibly as a good as i've ever seen from a keeper in a season.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 01, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
Beggan wasn't better than Cluxton this year. He might have been there or thereabouts, but he wasn't better. So the award should have went to the champion.

In your own opinion.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 03:11:17 PM
Without Beggan Monaghan would not have beaten Tyrone in the Ulster championship.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on November 01, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
They were comparable from open play, both made good saves and had mistakes. Cluxton was his machine like brilliance at retaining possession from kick outs. Beggan was regularly hitting lads in stride 60 yards away, so a draw there also. What swings it is the 18 points Beggan kicked from 45-65 meters personally
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
Who's nominated for player of the year?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 03:58:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 01, 2018, 02:25:43 PM
Cluxton suffers in part because his excellence is taken as a given at this point.

Its a difficult one. Do we just hand it to him every year when he once again sets the standard, or does his universally-recognized status as probably the best and most influential keeper ever leave some room to honour other keepers achieving excellence in his wake?

Maybe Cluxton is beyond mere All Stars at this point.

Dublin would have won this AI with the backup keeper. Probably a few of the others, too.

Monaghan would scarcely be in the AISFs or D1 without Beggan. Particularly this year. So it was a good choice.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 01, 2018, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 01, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
Who's nominated for player of the year?
Footballer of the Year Nominees

1. Brian Fenton (Dublin)

2. Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)

3. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)

Young Footballer of the Year Nominees

1. Brian Howard (Dublin)

2. David Clifford (Kerry)

3. Michael McKernan (Tyrone)
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Orchard park on November 01, 2018, 04:06:12 PM
If cavanaghn is a full back, pick beggan at half forward
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: yellowcard on November 01, 2018, 04:14:23 PM
Wait until the shit storm when Clifford pips Howard to young player of the year. There is definitely an anti Dubs bias when it comes to selecting these awards and I think it will be on display again with Young Player of the Year. The only saving grace for the Dubs is that there are 3 of their players nominated for POTY and any one of them could win it but I think its a toss up between kilkenny and Fenton.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 04:15:12 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 01, 2018, 04:06:12 PM
If cavanaghn is a full back, pick beggan at half forward

..?

Have you watched how deep Cavanagh plays?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:15:40 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 01, 2018, 09:41:03 AM
Cluxton is a victim of his own success. He has set such ridiculously high standards of consistency that it has become harder for him to shine in the eyes of the selectors. I would have gone for Cluxton but I can see how Beggan got the award since he was excellent in the main throughout the year although he had little wobbles in some of Monaghans biggest moments of the year.

McHugh is another excellent player but I thought his choice was a bit left field as well whilst I think Shane Walsh is Galways best forward and can feel very hard done by.

As ever with these awards though, they are all subjective.

Bit like Joe Canning in that regard.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on November 01, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.

Like you I thought we'd get one and it'd go to either Comer or Walsh. In saying that I was delighted  Ian Burke was nominated but thought the role he plays would rule him out seeing as he doesn't shoot the lights out every day but if you look at the amount of Galway scores he had a hand in this summer its phenomenal, I think I saw somewhere on twitter he either scored or had a role in over a third of Galway's scores in the championship. Big night for the Burke family tomorrow night with Daithí nearly certain to get one on the hurling team also.

Must be a source of great delight to Kevin Walsh that he managed to unearth this All-Star out of the blue over the past 12 months.

<< sarcasm:off>>

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on November 01, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.

Like you I thought we'd get one and it'd go to either Comer or Walsh. In saying that I was delighted  Ian Burke was nominated but thought the role he plays would rule him out seeing as he doesn't shoot the lights out every day but if you look at the amount of Galway scores he had a hand in this summer its phenomenal, I think I saw somewhere on twitter he either scored or had a role in over a third of Galway's scores in the championship. Big night for the Burke family tomorrow night with Daithí nearly certain to get one on the hurling team also.

Must be a source of great delight to Kevin Walsh that he managed to unearth this All-Star out of the blue over the past 12 months.

<< sarcasm:off>>
It's a long way from losing to Antrim in 2012.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 04:21:09 PM

It's a long way from losing to Antrim in 2012.

It mightn't be as far as you think. KW has the makings of a good team there (Galway 2.0) if he picks the right players, who are there in the county. He's very stubborn and cautious though - i.e. as above, Ian Burke has been playing good football for Corofin for a number of seasons now, everyone but apparently KW knew it who only gave him his debut last July. I know I've harked on about it before but I think Galway needs one more regime-change to really unlock their potential.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gael85 on November 01, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
Ian Burke made his championship for Galway in 2017
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on November 01, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 04:21:09 PM

It's a long way from losing to Antrim in 2012.

It mightn't be as far as you think. KW has the makings of a good team there (Galway 2.0) if he picks the right players, who are there in the county. He's very stubborn and cautious though - i.e. as above, Ian Burke has been playing good football for Corofin for a number of seasons now, everyone but apparently KW knew it who only gave him his debut last July. I know I've harked on about it before but I think Galway needs one more regime-change to really unlock their potential.

Whatever about KW's faults as a manager, we are miles past the Antrim 2012 standard in fairness, there is simply no comparison.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gael85 on November 01, 2018, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 01, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
Anyone not from Dublin think Cluxton was robbed of one?

No complaints. Fair play to Beggan. Cluxton should have got All Star in 2017. Was his best season in recent years.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 04:59:25 PM
When did Howard become a midfielder? Tom Flynn deserved an all star imo. I'd have Walsh in for McHugh too.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
Tom Flynn

What
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 01, 2018, 04:21:09 PM

It's a long way from losing to Antrim in 2012.

It mightn't be as far as you think. KW has the makings of a good team there (Galway 2.0) if he picks the right players, who are there in the county. He's very stubborn and cautious though - i.e. as above, Ian Burke has been playing good football for Corofin for a number of seasons now, everyone but apparently KW knew it who only gave him his debut last July. I know I've harked on about it before but I think Galway needs one more regime-change to really unlock their potential.
I was thinking the same thing.
In fairness there has been steady progress since 2012. Year on year.
This was not the case for a long time previously
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Duine Eile on November 01, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: mouview on November 01, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on November 01, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: galwayman on November 01, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
From a Galway point of view I was pretty certain we'd get a single All Star.
Ian Burke had a good year to be fair but having been at every Galway game league and championship in 2018 I have to say I think Shane should have got the award. For the first time in his career he was consistently good throughout the season.

Like you I thought we'd get one and it'd go to either Comer or Walsh. In saying that I was delighted  Ian Burke was nominated but thought the role he plays would rule him out seeing as he doesn't shoot the lights out every day but if you look at the amount of Galway scores he had a hand in this summer its phenomenal, I think I saw somewhere on twitter he either scored or had a role in over a third of Galway's scores in the championship. Big night for the Burke family tomorrow night with Daithí nearly certain to get one on the hurling team also.

Must be a source of great delight to Kevin Walsh that he managed to unearth this All-Star out of the blue over the past 12 months.

<< sarcasm:off>>

He's done well to transform a corner back on the B team into an all star corner forward.  ;)
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mouview on November 01, 2018, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 01, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
Ian Burke made his championship for Galway in 2017

Apols, meant it as last July 12 months.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Main Street on November 01, 2018, 10:13:45 PM
As well as being a top goalie, Cluxton has raised the influence of goalkeeper in the game to different levels. I took it for granted that Cluxton already had a barrow load of all stars. Anyway, this year he has been pipped by his most dedicated pupil in Beggan, that's still an honour of sorts for Cluxton.
3 all stars for Monaghan,  that's unprecedented but all hard earned of course :)   

Next year we'll bury Tyrone in a concrete tomb.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on November 01, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
I didn't realise he'd lost out on so many either. In my view the most influential player of the 2010 plus decade is him. He has completely changed the face of the game. (I felt dooher was the biggest influence in this regard in the noughties).

I actually sometimes wonder if hurling has taken note of the influence his kickouts have had and tried to apply this to puckouts as the puckouts in hurling have become a massive influence in games these days.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluxtons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluctons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Cluxton made a balls up in the semi final too, the difference is that he has such a brilliant team in front of him that those mistakes are irrelevant to the final result
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluctons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Cluxton made a balls up in the semi final too, the difference is that he has such a brilliant team in front of him that those mistakes are irrelevant to the final result

But he didn't cost his team the game. Beggan did TWICE. Surely that should be a factor. Cluxton's excellence is being used against him. What more does he have do that he hasn't done over the last 5 years?
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluxtons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Sorry that's just wrong, if you look back the big games over the last few years Cluxton has buckled when pressure cane on him
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 11:25:08 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluctons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Cluxton made a balls up in the semi final too, the difference is that he has such a brilliant team in front of him that those mistakes are irrelevant to the final result

But he didn't cost his team the game. Beggan did TWICE. Surely that should be a factor. Cluxton's excellence is being used against him. What more does he have do that he hasn't done over the last 5 years?

Because Dublin have better players, he still fucked up. How the players around him reacted doesn't change an individual error.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:34:33 PM
Sorry but if you cost your team a game twice in one season that has to be relevant.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluxtons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Sorry that's just wrong, if you look back the big games over the last few years Cluxton has buckled when pressure cane on him
Bullshit.  Kerry in semi final had him rattles at half time. 2nd half he didn't misplace one kick out. Final v mayo in 2017 was the same. Only time he did struggle was when Mayo played Dubs in 2016. Dubs lost all their midfielders through subs/black cards and he had no one who could win a kick out.

David Clarke bottles it last year with his final kick out when he put it over the sideline even though Mayo had an extra man on the pitch. Somehow that has become Dublin fault for cynical fouling???
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on November 02, 2018, 01:17:27 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluxtons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Sorry that's just wrong, if you look back the big games over the last few years Cluxton has buckled when pressure cane on him

That's nonsesne tbh. Beggan deserves the all star imo but any suggestion Cluxton doesn't perform under pressure is laughable. His performances in All Ireland finals have been masterful. You should know given what he did in 2013 especially, and 2017. It's been the odd semi final (2016 & 2018) where he's made mistakes
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2018, 08:56:18 AM
Cluxton won 2 all stars in the years he won all Irelands- 11 and 13 - and 3 when he didn't - 02,06,07
This year's decision is not statistically significant
5 allstars is a measure of how good he is
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.

I bet that inside you are fuming.

Get over it.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.

I bet that inside you are fuming.

Get over it.

I know you would like to think that but not really, haven't really paid attention to them since they became the Annual All Star Mayo sympathy awards. (Not this year though). Cluxton will go down as one of the greats, everyone who is not biased knows he is one of the greats, that's that.

I rather players winning all Irelands than All Stars.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.

I bet that inside you are fuming.

Get over it.

I know you would like to think that but not really, haven't really paid attention to them since they became the Annual All Star Mayo sympathy awards. (Not this year though). Cluxton will go down as one of the greats, everyone who is not biased knows he is one of the greats, that's that.

I rather players winning all Irelands than All Stars.

Of course you're not.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Cluxton had a very bad spell during the first half of the 2017 All Ireland final, think Mayo won 5 of his kickouts.

Got rattled during the first half of the Galway game too, made a mistake for the goal and followed it straight up with a poor kickout where Galway should have scored a goal; Comer had his shot saved when he should have passed to Heaney who'd have had an open goal.

Shane Walsh is the player who's certainly the most hard done by, there's no way Ryan McHugh & Ian Burke deserved one ahead of him.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.

I bet that inside you are fuming.

Get over it.

I know you would like to think that but not really, haven't really paid attention to them since they became the Annual All Star Mayo sympathy awards. (Not this year though). Cluxton will go down as one of the greats, everyone who is not biased knows he is one of the greats, that's that.

I rather players winning all Irelands than All Stars.

Of course you're not.  ;) ;)

Fair play to you Mup, underneath it all your a decent buachaill. Misguided but decent.

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: straightred on November 02, 2018, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluctons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Cluxton made a balls up in the semi final too, the difference is that he has such a brilliant team in front of him that those mistakes are irrelevant to the final result

But he didn't cost his team the game. Beggan did TWICE. Surely that should be a factor. Cluxton's excellence is being used against him. What more does he have do that he hasn't done over the last 5 years?

FFS he didn't cost them the Tyrone game... he made a bad decision and it very nearly turned into a close in free (if you remember the ref put his hand up and took it down again). He had a great season. So did Cluxton but not as good in the eyes of the voters. You need to get over it. All this attention is very unfair on Beggan who has done nothing wrong. He also has an important Ulster club game on Sunday and I'm sure he doesn't need all this noise. As many before me have said the injustice here on Cluxton is not this year but previous years when kerry and mayo goalies wrongly got awards ahead of him.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on November 02, 2018, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1028312802405040128?lang=en

Terrible, terrible goalkeeping.

Wits the goalie doin tom??
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2018, 10:31:08 AM
3 all stars is absolutely massive for Monaghan
According to wiki they had 9 before yesterday

1979: Eugene "Nudie" Hughes
1985: Eugene "Nudie" Hughes (2nd All Star)
1985: Ciarán Murray
1986: Ray Mc Carron
1988: Eugene "Nudie" Hughes (3rd)
1988: Paddy Linden
2007: Tomás Freeman
2013: Colin Walshe
2013: Conor McManus
2015: Conor McManus

Who cares about Clucko ?
For Beggan and O'Connell to be in that Pantheon is really something.  It's recognition by the whole nation for players from one of the smallest counties. 
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: tippabu on November 02, 2018, 10:32:07 AM
Beggans performance against Kerry this year is probably the best performance I can think of....1st half especially, never seen kicking like it he was sensational
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on November 02, 2018, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Cluxton had a very bad spell during the first half of the 2017 All Ireland final, think Mayo won 5 of his kickouts.

Got rattled during the first half of the Galway game too, made a mistake for the goal and followed it straight up with a poor kickout where Galway should have scored a goal; Comer had his shot saved when he should have passed to Heaney who'd have had an open goal.

Shane Walsh is the player who's certainly the most hard done by, there's no way Ryan McHugh & Ian Burke deserved one ahead of him.

He did save the shot tho. He also saved a penalty during this time. I still think Beggan was the right choice tho
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on November 02, 2018, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 02, 2018, 10:31:08 AM
3 all stars is absolutely massive for Monaghan
According to wiki they had 9 before yesterday

1979: Eugene "Nudie" Hughes
1985: Eugene "Nudie" Hughes (2nd All Star)
1985: Ciarán Murray
1986: Ray Mc Carron
1988: Eugene "Nudie" Hughes (3rd)
1988: Paddy Linden
2007: Tomás Freeman
2013: Colin Walshe
2013: Conor McManus
2015: Conor McManus

Who cares about Clucko ?
For Beggan and O'Connell to be in that Pantheon is really something.  It's recognition by the whole nation for players from one of the smallest counties.

On O'Connell, it's amazing that after only taking up the sport at any level while he was finishing school, that he now becomes one of only 9 men from Monaghan to win an all star.

For Beggan, it's surprising that he only becomes the 2nd Scotstown all star, given what a big club historically they are for the county, especially through the 70s and 80s.

And for Conor, it's a fantastic achievement to equal Nudie's record of 3, he's a credit to his club and county.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 02, 2018, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Cluxton had a very bad spell during the first half of the 2017 All Ireland final, think Mayo won 5 of his kickouts.

Got rattled during the first half of the Galway game too, made a mistake for the goal and followed it straight up with a poor kickout where Galway should have scored a goal; Comer had his shot saved when he should have passed to Heaney who'd have had an open goal.

Shane Walsh is the player who's certainly the most hard done by, there's no way Ryan McHugh & Ian Burke deserved one ahead of him.

He did save the shot tho. He also saved a penalty during this time. I still think Beggan was the right choice tho

He did but just making the point he's had meltdowns too mainly the Kerry semi in 16 and the first half against Mayo in 17. You'd think he never makes a mistake according to some of the Dublin posters.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Manning18 on November 02, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 02, 2018, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Cluxton had a very bad spell during the first half of the 2017 All Ireland final, think Mayo won 5 of his kickouts.

Got rattled during the first half of the Galway game too, made a mistake for the goal and followed it straight up with a poor kickout where Galway should have scored a goal; Comer had his shot saved when he should have passed to Heaney who'd have had an open goal.

Shane Walsh is the player who's certainly the most hard done by, there's no way Ryan McHugh & Ian Burke deserved one ahead of him.

He did save the shot tho. He also saved a penalty during this time. I still think Beggan was the right choice tho

He did but just making the point he's had meltdowns too mainly the Kerry semi in 16 and the first half against Mayo in 17. You'd think he never makes a mistake according to some of the Dublin posters.

He didnt have a meltdown in 17 to be fair. Those lost kickouts were nearly all contested catches in midfield. You can't blame a keeper for his midfielders being beat. First half of Kerry Semi in 16, the drawn Mayo semi in 15 and the 3 min spell in the Galway semi are the only black marks in big games I can think of
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Lar Naparka on November 02, 2018, 11:44:17 AM
Quote from: straightred on November 02, 2018, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: Schkite on November 01, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluctons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Cluxton made a balls up in the semi final too, the difference is that he has such a brilliant team in front of him that those mistakes are irrelevant to the final result

But he didn't cost his team the game. Beggan did TWICE. Surely that should be a factor. Cluxton's excellence is being used against him. What more does he have do that he hasn't done over the last 5 years?

FFS he didn't cost them the Tyrone game... he made a bad decision and it very nearly turned into a close in free (if you remember the ref put his hand up and took it down again). He had a great season. So did Cluxton but not as good in the eyes of the voters. You need to get over it. All this attention is very unfair on Beggan who has done nothing wrong. He also has an important Ulster club game on Sunday and I'm sure he doesn't need all this noise. As many before me have said the injustice here on Cluxton is not this year but previous years when kerry and mayo goalies wrongly got awards ahead of him.
In Clarke's case at any rate, the fact that he was facing stronger teams throughout the championships than Clucko was. Mayo's kamikaze style of play ever since Horan took over in 2011 would be enough to melt the head oof a cabbage, never mind Clarke's.
He faced stiffer opposition in other words and acquitted himself well enough to earn his All-Star the hard way.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: trailer on November 02, 2018, 11:47:30 AM
I've read a lot about Cluxton. Having bad spells, others more deserving etc etc. The reason he didn't get one, is because he is non story, quiet, a dry shite, call him whatever you want. Journalist pick these all stars. Cluxton is utterly forgettable (just as he wants it). That's the reason, the only reason. Someone should write an article about that, but that would involve the truth and that's an uncomfortable place to start for voyeurs who look out but never in. Journalism! A bunch of spoofers!
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.

I bet that inside you are fuming.

Get over it.

I know you would like to think that but not really, haven't really paid attention to them since they became the Annual All Star Mayo sympathy awards. (Not this year though). Cluxton will go down as one of the greats, everyone who is not biased knows he is one of the greats, that's that.

I rather players winning all Irelands than All Stars.

Still obsessing over Mayo I see.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Halfquarter on November 02, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluxtons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Are you saying Cluxton doesn't panic when a high ball is hit in around the small square ? You must have been watching different matches to me !
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 02, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IVDtantEg

Last few minutes of this game
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 12:08:20 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: mup on November 02, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 02, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Hilarious stuff on here, I am sure Cluxton is more than happy with his 6th All Ireland medal. I hope he doesn't go.

Time for the Pen Pushers to be removed from the all star picks.

I bet that inside you are fuming.

Get over it.

I know you would like to think that but not really, haven't really paid attention to them since they became the Annual All Star Mayo sympathy awards. (Not this year though). Cluxton will go down as one of the greats, everyone who is not biased knows he is one of the greats, that's that.

I rather players winning all Irelands than All Stars.

Still obsessing over Mayo I see.

Come back to me when there are dozens of threads, pages and posts on them like there is on Dublin and Dublin players on this forum, now that's an obsession.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 02, 2018, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on November 02, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 01, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
"What if I was to organise getting our own All Star Award made for Stephen Cluxton from us Dublin fans and present it to him to show how much us Dublin supporters appreciate him? Call it the Our Star Award or something?"

Post on Hill 16 Army. f**k sake lads he's not getting an all star just get over it, completely embarrassing at this stage.

It's so cringey it almost belongs on Willie Joe's blog.

Sorry but the difference between Cluxton and Mayo footballers is that when the pressure is applied on All Ireland final day he stands tall while Mayo players crumble or screw up.

It's farcical to think he hasn't won an All Star in 5 years. Beggan made 2 huge mistakes this year that cost Monaghan the games against Fermanagh & Tyrone but it appears because Cluxton is so consistent different standards are applied to him.

Between Cluxtons omission, Cavanagh at full back and Howard at midfield the All Stars this year are a joke. Both Howard and Cavanagh deserved them, but the positions they were awarded for the All Star is farcical

Are you saying Cluxton doesn't panic when a high ball is hit in around the small square ? You must have been watching different matches to me !

I guess so, but don't feel bad about it!

I know in the All Ireland final this year he was almost flawless. Dublin only lost 2 kick outs all day and one of those was a mistake by John Small.  His kickout to McCaffrey when Tyrone were 4 points up was pure class and settled Dubs down when they were struggling to settle into the game.

To me a top player is one who does it on the big occasion when the pressure is on.Cluxtion has been doing that for years. It's a testament to his quality that when one of kick outs goes wrong or out of play a huge cheer goes up from the opposition crowd as if they'd scored a point. You don't see that with any other teams.  He has had spells in games were teams put him under pressure, but he always figures out a way to deal with it. All Star selectors might not respect him, but at least his teammates and Dublin fans do and I'm sure he'd rather have his All Ireland medals to All Star awards. I'd wonder will he even go to the awards tonight given his dislike for the spotlight

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: dublin7 on November 02, 2018, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on November 02, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IVDtantEg

Last few minutes of this game

Who was playing midfield at the end of that game for Dublin. McCauley, Bastick and Fenton had all been replaced at that stage. Tomas Brady was playing midfield at that stage!! Not alot he can do when that's who he has to aim at.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gold on November 02, 2018, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Cluxton had a very bad spell during the first half of the 2017 All Ireland final, think Mayo won 5 of his kickouts.

Got rattled during the first half of the Galway game too, made a mistake for the goal and followed it straight up with a poor kickout where Galway should have scored a goal; Comer had his shot saved when he should have passed to Heaney who'd have had an open goal.

Shane Walsh is the player who's certainly the most hard done by, there's no way Ryan McHugh & Ian Burke deserved one ahead of him.

Disagree re Walsh...Comer is thee most hard done by...could not be dealt with by any defender all year. Caused havoc v Dublin...Philly and Cooper couldn't cope with him. If Galway fecking gave him more of the ball there may have been an upset.

Re Cluxton I actually think he gets absolutely rattled when the Dubs go behind...every time they're behind he kicks kickouts over the sidelines. He is human and not unflappable. Cluxton's kickouts are generally good (although in the AI final nearly all short and easy) and he saved a weak penalty v Galway (after Comer of course got fouled..and then Galway stopped kicking it in to him *after a goal and a penalty...work that out*

I saw Cluxton live in League this year v  Kerry and Galway. Saw him live in Championship v Longford (got injured) and Galway. Other than the poor penalty save I wasn't ever overly impressed with him as i'm sure everyone on this board was with Beggan. He was generally steady and unchallenged in games the Dubs won at a canter.

I'm not a Cluxton basher...his frees and then kickouts have changed the game. He  ensures the Dubs keep possession...I just think there were more impressive keepers this year

The Laois Keeper was absolutely fantastic this year. Saw him v Carlow and Dublin Live in Croker and he was superb (saving and running out the field)
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 02, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
Don't think Comer was hard done by as he played his best football during the NFL and looked to be running on empty for the championship. He was average at best in the Connacht final, Burke and Walsh was far better than him in that final. 0-5 in 3 super 8 games was hardly causing havoc either and the goal he scored v Dublin was a Cluxton error and his point was a fluke.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Gold on November 02, 2018, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 02, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
Don't think Comer was hard done by as he played his best football during the NFL and looked to be running on empty for the championship. He was average at best in the Connacht final, Burke and Walsh was far better than him in that final. 0-5 in 3 super 8 games was hardly causing havoc either and the goal he scored v Dublin was a Cluxton error and his point was a fluke.

Saw him live in League final and then Championship v Dublin

EVERY time he had the ball in his hands there was danger. He was the only player physically powerful enough to go past Dubs

League final last 10 mins Galway shat themselves out the field and refused to kick the ball into Comer.
Championship once Galway missed the pen they went into a shell and refused to kick him the ball. He causes mistakes as due to his sheer power people are frightened of him.
Was good to see the Dubs couldn't bully him as they did others

I wrote before on the 2 match threads that had Galway kicked him the ball constantly they may have won. If it was me over the team we would sicken Comer with ball, early ball. Anyone didn't do it and took a solo and handpassed sideways would be off
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on November 02, 2018, 02:22:11 PM
Comer's good but a bit of power wasn't going to bring Galway into serious contention with Dublin.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 02, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
Comer probably troubled the Dublin defence more than any other player this year. Had them in all sorts of bother in the league final for a while and again for a shorter while in the AI semi final. The thing is these periods have probably not been sustained enough for him to get an All-Star. Whether this is Comer's fault or the fault of Galway for not feeding enough ball into him is up for debate. But if you were giving one All-Star to Galway I would probably have him behind Walsh and Burke in that order.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 02, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
Comer probably troubled the Dublin defence more than any other player this year. Had them in all sorts of bother in the league final for a while and again for a shorter while in the AI semi final. The thing is these periods have probably not been sustained enough for him to get an All-Star. Whether this is Comer's fault or the fault of Galway for not feeding enough ball into him is up for debate. But if you were giving one All-Star to Galway I would probably have him behind Walsh and Burke in that order.

A mixture of not getting enough ball into him and been double marked. Comer still has a little bit to learn mainly improving his movement and moving the ball on to a team mate in a better place.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 02, 2018, 04:09:49 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 03:35:29 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 02, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
Comer probably troubled the Dublin defence more than any other player this year. Had them in all sorts of bother in the league final for a while and again for a shorter while in the AI semi final. The thing is these periods have probably not been sustained enough for him to get an All-Star. Whether this is Comer's fault or the fault of Galway for not feeding enough ball into him is up for debate. But if you were giving one All-Star to Galway I would probably have him behind Walsh and Burke in that order.

A mixture of not getting enough ball into him and been double marked. Comer still has a little bit to learn mainly improving his movement and moving the ball on to a team mate in a better place.

Yeah he has the blinkers on sometimes after winning the ball. Case in point being the goal chance he missed against Dublin. If he got his head up, Heaney was free beside him. Did the same against Kildare didn't he? Had two lads free either side of him but took it on himself. Two goal chances both missed. Needs to add that to his game if he wants to go up a level.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2018, 04:24:15 PM
Comer is still a bit raw in my view. He's a bit too much head down and go for it. I think in the latter stages of the championship when the stakes were higher he was found out a bit although granted I didn't watch Galway Dublin. Walsh came of age a bit this year. Hugely gifted though to be honest I would still hope to see a lot more from him yet(and think we will).
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Syferus on November 02, 2018, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 02, 2018, 04:24:15 PM
Comer is still a bit raw in my view. He's a bit too much head down and go for it. I think in the latter stages of the championship when the stakes were higher he was found out a bit although granted I didn't watch Galway Dublin. Walsh came of age a bit this year. Hugely gifted though to be honest I would still hope to see a lot more from him yet(and think we will).

This is a weird take on Comer. If any of the three are raw it's Walsh who despite his good year is still taking too much out of the ball. His expected points to actual points were by far the worst of any player in D1 this year iirc.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 02, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
Shane Walsh shootings stats were very impressive in the championship when it mattered most not the league.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnogluhW0AEEN0J.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnogJj2XoAAr49K.jpg

Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2018, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 02, 2018, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 02, 2018, 04:24:15 PM
Comer is still a bit raw in my view. He's a bit too much head down and go for it. I think in the latter stages of the championship when the stakes were higher he was found out a bit although granted I didn't watch Galway Dublin. Walsh came of age a bit this year. Hugely gifted though to be honest I would still hope to see a lot more from him yet(and think we will).

This is a weird take on Comer. If any of the three are raw it's Walsh who despite his good year is still taking too much out of the ball. His expected points to actual points where by far the worst of any player in D1 this year iirc.

It's really not.whenyour default position is to go through someone rather than round them then it's reasonable.

I said there was more in walsh too.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Schkite on November 02, 2018, 07:37:35 PM
Jaysus Marty had to put Beggan on the spot there asking about his idol, he had to get Cluxton mentioned in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 02, 2018, 07:41:10 PM
Comers biggest problem is he seems to have to spend most his time out f**king half back. Always look dangerous when he gets the ball inside but he isn't given it enough or in the right areas
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: An Watcher on November 02, 2018, 07:57:10 PM
f**k me, seen cluxton twice this year and beggan twice this year.  Beggan's  display in omagh was the best display of goalkeeping I've ever seen.  Not even a competition to say who was the best this year
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo Border on November 02, 2018, 08:23:48 PM
Claxton robbed of an all star again this year and no idea how Clifford was picked ahead of Howard for Young Player of the year. Review needed
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: twohands!!! on November 02, 2018, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on November 02, 2018, 08:23:48 PM
Claxton robbed of an all star again this year and no idea how Clifford was picked ahead of Howard for Young Player of the year. Review needed

If you've no idea how Clifford won the YPOTY, his stats speak for himself

(https://twitter.com/dontfoul/status/1027243346161532928/photo/1)

This was on a Kerry team that were awful for large parts of the championship.

Howard had a very strong year but he did have a big advantage of being on a dominant team.

The kind of stats from Clifford would have had him in the running for POTY if Kerry had made any sort of progress.

If it was the case that Michael McKernan had won YPOTY then a review would have been needed but anyone suggesting that Clifford isn't a worthy YPOTY winner is talking nonsense.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 02, 2018, 08:36:07 PM
 Brian Fenton the footballer of the year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: twohands!!! on November 02, 2018, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 02, 2018, 08:36:07 PM
Brian Fenton the footballer of the year.

Well deserved - he's just a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2018, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 02, 2018, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 02, 2018, 08:36:07 PM
Brian Fenton the footballer of the year.

Well deserved - he's just a joy to watch.

Agree. Fantastic player.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyCake on November 02, 2018, 11:02:57 PM
Clifford looks shifty any time he's on camera. Like he's just been caught stealing money from his ma's purse.

Glad Beggan won. Well deserved.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: The Hill is Blue on November 03, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Clifford was the standout YPOTY. Well deserved. He should have a great career.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: yellowcard on November 03, 2018, 11:16:38 AM
Clifford is the best young player in Ireland and could end up winning multiple awards. Thought he spoke very well last night also, seems like a good lad.

Howard must be one of the best performers not to win this award, he was just unlucky he was up against a special player this year.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: rrhf on November 03, 2018, 11:42:38 AM
Disappointed for Mc Kernan but Clifford fully deserves it. Was talking to him after the Tyrone Kerry league game. Came accross as a genuinely good guy and was great with the kids etc. Guys like this are gold dust to the gaa. On a second note Fenton is exactly the same type. Seriously committed and talented lads who deserve everything they get and are role models for the next generation.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 03, 2018, 08:37:47 PM
Dublin got 7; such was their dominance this year they probably should got 9; i have Cluxton in.in front of Beggan but that 1 could went either way@ just kept remembering a bad kick out by Beggan in the end of the Tyrone game! Dean Rock should be in before Burke and Walsh before McHugh! Cavanagh full back? Yeah could see him marking  Dean Rock from Full back alright!!! Did Howard just play 2 halfs at midfield all year!
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Orchard park on November 03, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
a collection of super role models last night and even if  I am biased having being amazed by him since u12 here in Limerick, Cian Lynch absolutely stole the night, a brilliant lad off the field, on what was a tough night as the limerick lads all knew Leonard Enright RIP was in his final hours
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: spuds on November 03, 2018, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 03, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
a collection of super role models last night and even if  I am biased having being amazed by him since u12 here in Limerick, Cian Lynch absolutely stole the night, a brilliant lad off the field, on what was a tough night as the limerick lads all knew Leonard Enright RIP was in his final hours
Agree completely, he was very emotional yet spoke so naturally and pointedly.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: BennyCake on November 03, 2018, 10:13:15 PM
Yeah I enjoyed lynch interview. Very honest and refreshing. Makes a change from the usual bullshit you hear from players
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Armagh18 on November 03, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 02, 2018, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on November 02, 2018, 08:23:48 PM
Claxton robbed of an all star again this year and no idea how Clifford was picked ahead of Howard for Young Player of the year. Review needed

If you've no idea how Clifford won the YPOTY, his stats speak for himself

(https://twitter.com/dontfoul/status/1027243346161532928/photo/1)

This was on a Kerry team that were awful for large parts of the championship.

Howard had a very strong year but he did have a big advantage of being on a dominant team.

The kind of stats from Clifford would have had him in the running for POTY if Kerry had made any sort of progress.

If it was the case that Michael McKernan had won YPOTY then a review would have been needed but anyone suggesting that Clifford isn't a worthy YPOTY winner is talking nonsense.
Clifford was superb this year and definitely a worthy winner, but I think Howard probably deserved it more, simply due to Clifford not making it past the Super 8's stage. But yeah if Kerry had got to the final and Clifford kept playing the way he was playing then he was a big shout for PoTY.
Title: Re: Football All Stars 2018
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on November 04, 2018, 12:31:22 PM
Did anyone catch Clifford's interview?

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1058513332846632961?s=21