The Many Faces of US Politics...

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RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 21, 2020, 05:29:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 12:45:39 PMLOL and you do realize that some of the "press" (and "medics") you read about are just internet bloggers who support the rioters

Yes, the news crews reporting live to an international audience of hundreds of thousands if not millions that were getting shot at or arrested by the police were "internet bloggers".  ::)

Hence my use of the word "some" (and I would venture to say most is probably more accurate)

I don't get my news from bloggers.


Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 05:39:37 PMIn the middle of a riot with projectiles and teargas flying, I don't think the cops are taking off their riot gear to inspect press passes. If they're clearing an area, while legally the press may be exempt from complying, it's very easy to get caught in the middle

That's pathetic. In the videos I seen, the police were under no threat and anything airborne was from their own arms.

As you well know, they also don't need to take off riot gear to inspect passes. As you also well know, the press were not in the road and were asking where to stand and where to go. Instead they got shot at and arrested.


Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 05:39:37 PMI notice how none of you guys are offering any support to the 49 officers assaulted by a mob in Chicago last Friday evening, of whom 18 were hospitalized

I was unaware of it till now. Yep, mindless assaults on both sides are to be condemned.

Now, if any of those officers were engaged in assaulting someone then my sympathies for that/those particular officer/s wanes considerably.
i usse an speelchekor

whitey

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 22, 2020, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 21, 2020, 05:29:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 12:45:39 PMLOL and you do realize that some of the "press" (and "medics") you read about are just internet bloggers who support the rioters

Yes, the news crews reporting live to an international audience of hundreds of thousands if not millions that were getting shot at or arrested by the police were "internet bloggers".  ::)

Hence my use of the word "some" (and I would venture to say most is probably more accurate)

I don't get my news from bloggers.


Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 05:39:37 PMIn the middle of a riot with projectiles and teargas flying, I don't think the cops are taking off their riot gear to inspect press passes. If they're clearing an area, while legally the press may be exempt from complying, it's very easy to get caught in the middle

That's pathetic. In the videos I seen, the police were under no threat and anything airborne was from their own arms.

As you well know, they also don't need to take off riot gear to inspect passes. As you also well know, the press were not in the road and were asking where to stand and where to go. Instead they got shot at and arrested.


Quote from: whitey on July 21, 2020, 05:39:37 PMI notice how none of you guys are offering any support to the 49 officers assaulted by a mob in Chicago last Friday evening, of whom 18 were hospitalized

I was unaware of it till now. Yep, mindless assaults on both sides are to be condemned.

Now, if any of those officers were engaged in assaulting someone then my sympathies for that/those particular officer/s wanes considerably.

Believe what you want.

https://twitter.com/FarleyMedia/status/1278647659977338882?s=20

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Believe what you want.

https://twitter.com/FarleyMedia/status/1278647659977338882?s=20

**WARNING**
More Strawmen inbound from Whitey.  ::)



I have no idea who the f**k that is...

Does 'Masquerading as "Press"' entail running around with "press" written on your face mask?

I must have missed the bit where he had a supporting crew, a camera, cam mic, and was filming live across one of the largest news networks in the USA.
i usse an speelchekor

whitey

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 22, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Believe what you want.

https://twitter.com/FarleyMedia/status/1278647659977338882?s=20

**WARNING**
More Strawmen inbound from Whitey.  ::)



I have no idea who the f**k that is...

Does 'Masquerading as "Press"' entail running around with "press" written on your face mask?

I must have missed the bit where he had a supporting crew, a camera, cam mic, and was filming live across one of the largest news networks in the USA.

LOL

Self styled: "Journalists" "Medics" and now "Moms".

They're Anarchists and agitators who apply these labels to themselves. Nothing to do with BLM. In fact some of the BLM folks are getting sick of them

https://youtu.be/I8678f2FAzo

sid waddell

Anarchists and agitators?

This is the police you're talking about, yeah?

I would have thrown thugs and terrorists in there but let's be nice.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 12:40:56 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 22, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Believe what you want.

https://twitter.com/FarleyMedia/status/1278647659977338882?s=20

**WARNING**
More Strawmen inbound from Whitey.  ::)



I have no idea who the f**k that is...

Does 'Masquerading as "Press"' entail running around with "press" written on your face mask?

I must have missed the bit where he had a supporting crew, a camera, cam mic, and was filming live across one of the largest news networks in the USA.

LOL

Self styled: "Journalists" "Medics" and now "Moms".

They're Anarchists and agitators who apply these labels to themselves. Nothing to do with BLM. In fact some of the BLM folks are getting sick of them

https://youtu.be/I8678f2FAzo

I dunno why you keep pulling up instances of this nature - given the original discussion point was Americans watching their TV in horror as their own police forces shot rubber bullets at them or arrested them.

Do you really think that tens of thousands of americans came onto the streets to protest because of the actions of the strawmen you keep finding?

i usse an speelchekor

whitey

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 22, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 12:40:56 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 22, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 11:36:40 AM
Believe what you want.

https://twitter.com/FarleyMedia/status/1278647659977338882?s=20

**WARNING**
More Strawmen inbound from Whitey.  ::)



I have no idea who the f**k that is...

Does 'Masquerading as "Press"' entail running around with "press" written on your face mask?

I must have missed the bit where he had a supporting crew, a camera, cam mic, and was filming live across one of the largest news networks in the USA.

LOL

Self styled: "Journalists" "Medics" and now "Moms".

They're Anarchists and agitators who apply these labels to themselves. Nothing to do with BLM. In fact some of the BLM folks are getting sick of them

https://youtu.be/I8678f2FAzo

I dunno why you keep pulling up instances of this nature - given the original discussion point was Americans watching their TV in horror as their own police forces shot rubber bullets at them or arrested them.

Do you really think that tens of thousands of americans came onto the streets to protest because of the actions of the strawmen you keep finding?


Who's watching "in horror"?

Vicious mobs of Anarchists and rioters are attempting to take over entire cities and have no respect for the rule of law. FFS they have tried to burn down a Federal Courthouse in Portland

The vast majority of these people have absolutely NOTHING to do with BLM.....they're violent criminals and should be treated as such

johnnycool

Is the first amendment of the US constitution not as important as the second one?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1285826007023460355

whitey

Quote from: johnnycool on July 22, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
Is the first amendment of the US constitution not as important as the second one?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1285826007023460355


LOL "The Portland Moms" aka Antifa members wearing yellow tee shirts disobeying legal orders from Law Enforcement

Did you see this video?

https://twitter.com/Brittany3l/status/1285559285032853505?s=20

Gmac

Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 22, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
Is the first amendment of the US constitution not as important as the second one?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1285826007023460355


LOL "The Portland Moms" aka Antifa members wearing yellow tee shirts disobeying legal orders from Law Enforcement

Did you see this video?

https://twitter.com/Brittany3l/status/1285559285032853505?s=20
a jewelry store was looted and a h and m set on fire last night , sounds like a protest against police all right.15 people shot at s funeral in Chicago that's where the feds should be going .
Congress woman Presley  calling for cancellation of rent , mortgages and student debt, adding gasoline to an already very hot atmosphere in the country.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: johnnycool on July 22, 2020, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: whitey on July 22, 2020, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2020, 11:01:25 PM
Trump said tonight he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...

Lol-what do you expect him to say ?

"I hope she dies from Covid or I hope she commits suicide like Epstein"

No, he could have said that he hopes justice is done like most normal people.
+1 after such a pathetic reply from whitey.

omochain

#17546
Whitey & GMAC...You two never stop.. Do ya.?

Gmac

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 21, 2020, 10:22:49 PM
More Rethuglican criminality:

QuoteOhio House Speaker Arrested In Connection With $60 Million Bribery Scheme

FBI agents arrested Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder on Tuesday morning at his rural farm. Householder was taken into custody in connection with a $60 million bribery scheme allegedly involving state officials and associates.

Four others were also arrested: former Ohio Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges, Householder adviser Jeffrey Longstreth and lobbyists Neil Clark and Juan Cespedes.

The charges are linked to a controversial law passed last year that bailed out two nuclear power plants in the state while gutting subsidies for renewable energy and energy efficiency.

The federal complaint describes a years-long bribery campaign to build support for Householder's bid to become House speaker and then pass the nuclear bailout law with his help. Householder won the speakership in January 2019, and the bailout passed in July 2019. It went into effect in October.

Householder, a Republican, represents a district east of Columbus. He first began serving in the Ohio House in 1997 and was speaker from 2001 to 2004, when he stepped down because of term limits. He then worked as Perry County auditor before returning to the House in 2017.

Householder, Longstreth, Clark, Borges and Cespedes were each charged with "conspiracy to participate, directly or indirectly, in the conduct of an enterprise's affairs through a pattern of racketeering activity." The charge carries a maximum of 20 years in prison.

The criminal complaint also charges Generation Now, which it describes as "a 501(c)(4) entity secretly controlled by Householder."

Federal prosecutors say that between March 2017 and March 2020, entities related to an unnamed company — but that would appear to be nuclear power company FirstEnergy Solutions — paid approximately $60 million to Householder's Generation Now.

"Make no mistake, this is Larry Householder's 501 (c)(4)," U.S. Attorney David DeVillers told reporters on Tuesday. The money from the scheme was spent to the detriment of other political candidates and the people of Ohio, DeVillers said.

Members of Householder's enterprise used those payments for their own personal benefit and to gain support for Householder's bid to become speaker, prosecutors say.

"In the Spring and Fall of 2018, the Enterprise spent millions in Company A money to support House candidates involved in primary and general elections whom the Enterprise believed both would vote for Householder as Speaker and, ultimately, would follow his lead as Speaker and vote for bailout legislation for Company A," the complaint states.

In exchange for payments, prosecutors say, Householder and his associates helped pass House Bill 6, then worked to ensure it went into effect by defeating a ballot initiative.

The plan worked. The complaint says Householder-backed candidates that benefited from money from Generation Now helped to elect Householder as the Speaker. House Bill 6 was introduced three months into his term – legislation worth $1.3 billion to Company A.

Regular payments to Householder's secret company from Company A began in March 2017, a couple months after he took a trip on Company A's private jet, according to the federal complaint. But the payments got much bigger after the legislation was introduced: In May 2019, while the bill was pending before lawmakers, Company A allegedly wired $8 million to Generation Now.

Householder and his associates used some of the money on mailers and advertising to support the legislation, and some of it for their own benefit, prosecutors say.

The bill was passed by a vote of 51-38. After the bill was signed into law by Gov. Mike DeWine, a campaign began to organize a ballot initiative to overturn the law. Company A-controlled accounts responded by wiring $38 million to Householder's company between July and October 2019.

In total, Company A allegedly paid the Householder enterprise $60 million over a three-year period, in exchange for the billion-dollar-bailout.

Prosecutors say the payments were "akin to bags of cash – unlike campaign or PAC contributions, they were not regulated, not reported, not subject to public scrutiny—and the Enterprise freely spent the bribe payments to further the Enterprise's political interests and to enrich themselves."

Prosecutors say that while there are no charges yet against Company A, the investigation is ongoing. Preliminary hearings are set for early August.

At a Tuesday court hearing, the defendants were ordered to surrender any firearms and to remain within the Southern District of Ohio. They are barred from communicating with anyone who may become a witness in the trial, including the other men charged Tuesday. Those with passports were ordered to surrender them.

Householder has faced scrutiny before. In 2004, there were reports of his engaging in alleged corrupt activity, though he was never charged.

Gov. Mike DeWine called for Householder's resignation after the charges were announced on Tuesday afternoon.

"I am deeply concerned about the allegations of wrongdoing issued today by the U.S. Attorney's Office," DeWine tweeted. "Because of the nature of these charges, it will be impossible for Speaker Householder to effectively lead the Ohio House of Representatives; therefore, I am calling on Speaker Householder to resign immediately. This is a sad day for Ohio."

Last year's nuclear bailout law tacked on a charge to residents' power bills, sending $150 million a year to the nuclear power plants. They are owned by the company Energy Harbor, which was previously known as FirstEnergy Solutions.

The law also included a subsidy for two coal plants.

NPR member station WOSU reported that FirstEnergy contributed more than $150,000 to Ohio House Republicans in the run-up to the 2018 election — including over $25,000 in donations to Householder's campaign.

"According to the state lobbyist database, Energy Harbor is the only client listed for Cespedes," WOSU reported. "Borges also worked as a lobbyist for FirstEnergy Solutions, while Longstreth is connected to Generation Now, which campaigned against the bailout referendum."

Rethuglicans are going to find it hard to run on a platform of "law and order" when so many of them keep ending up behind bars.
do you know that guy was the founder of a political action committee opposing trumps reelection . draining the swamp

Eamonnca1

Nice try. Just because he's in one faction of the Rethuglican party rather than another doesn't change the fact that he's a Rethuglican.

Quoth the NYT:

QuoteAlso arrested in the conspiracy was Matt Borges, a former chairman of the Ohio Republican Party and ally of John Kasich, a former Ohio governor who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. After Donald J. Trump won the presidency in 2016, he intervened to oust Mr. Borges. Last month, Mr. Borges started a super PAC aimed at convincing Republicans to vote against Mr. Trump in November.

Gmac

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 22, 2020, 07:07:46 PM
Nice try. Just because he's in one faction of the Rethuglican party rather than another doesn't change the fact that he's a Rethuglican.

Quoth the NYT:

QuoteAlso arrested in the conspiracy was Matt Borges, a former chairman of the Ohio Republican Party and ally of John Kasich, a former Ohio governor who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. After Donald J. Trump won the presidency in 2016, he intervened to oust Mr. Borges. Last month, Mr. Borges started a super PAC aimed at convincing Republicans to vote against Mr. Trump in November.
kasich is a Democrat now