The Fine Gael thread

[Itchy]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

So you were happy to vote for Sinn Fein in the past and all this stuff you are crying about then was just as relevant (or irrelevant depending on your persuasion) back then, yet when they take a stance on abortion that you don't like everything else is suddenly against your moral compass. I have to say I have more respect for blueshirts than the like of you. At least they make no attempt to hide what they are, unlike yourself, an utter hypocrite.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

That's speculative.

What isn't speculative is that FF/FG never did anything to atone for all the violence and atrocities committed by their bloodline in the aftermath of the War of Independence and Civil War.

No. GA knew everything about McConville. It is hard to look back at and take that in now, but its not really doubted, it is only really doubted by the completely brainwashed

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

If you buried a body on, for instance a vast bog or beach, could you find the exact spot a week later? Probably not. Could you find it if you buried the remains at night, 30 odd years ago? I'd say the fact that most of the remains have been found is fairly strong evidence that those involved have been co-operative in the searches. The Commission for finding the remains seems to think so. But what do they know, eh? They should have consulted you first 

Ridiculous. Can you read that back please. We are thanking someone for finding that unmarked grave they buried someone in.

[Snapchap]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

That's speculative.

What isn't speculative is that FF/FG never did anything to atone for all the violence and atrocities committed by their bloodline in the aftermath of the War of Independence and Civil War.

No. GA knew everything about McConville. It is hard to look back at and take that in now, but its not really doubted, it is only really doubted by the completely brainwashed

Argues something isn't speculative by offering another speculative statement as evidence. Fantastic.

[Snapchap]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

If you buried a body on, for instance a vast bog or beach, could you find the exact spot a week later? Probably not. Could you find it if you buried the remains at night, 30 odd years ago? I'd say the fact that most of the remains have been found is fairly strong evidence that those involved have been co-operative in the searches. The Commission for finding the remains seems to think so. But what do they know, eh? They should have consulted you first 

Ridiculous. Can you read that back please. We are thanking someone for finding that unmarked grave they buried someone in.

Tell you what, you rread it back, and then quote where I thanked anyone. Good man.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Dear Throughthelaces
Cumann na nGaedheal (as spelt at the time) broke away from SF to set up the new State. They joined others to form FG in the 1930s.
FF broke away from SF 1926 or 27 so they could take their seats in the Free State Dáil.
The Provos always claimed they were the true continuation of the 1919 to 21 men and their Army Council was the only legitimate successor to the 2nd Dáil.
As for deflection.... funny how the article about Varadkar appeared something like 2 years after the event......
Around the same time as SF were having a bit of Internal bother 😃
Total coincidence of course....

The current 26 County State, Cumann na nGaedheal (and therefore it's successors Fine Gael), & Fianna Fáil also (and continue to) draw their legitimacy from those fighters and Second Dail.

What we have now in FF, FG and SF is essentially three branches of the old War of Independence SF. 

Each has come to recognise the current 26 state at different speeds and via different paths.

FF, FG and current SF, (and therefore a fair ol chunk of political parties of the island), all share equal historical political links to those War of Independence war crimes.

Three things that are strange though

1) Without a hint of shame or irony, successive 26 county FF/FG governments didn't care to take action about the war crimes they could do something about in their own jurisdiction,  but care deeply about seeing action taken about the same type of war crimes committed outside their jurisdiction.
2) Without a hint of shame or irony perpetrators of those crimes were good enough to be in FF/FG government.
3) SF supporters point to this as a way of trying to shut down debate about their own war crimes (in the form of the Disappeared) during the Troubles without a hint of shame or irony.

In short both sides are current playing gesture politics about War Crimes. Which is deplorable.

The GP contract is small beer in comparison.

When it comes to the Disappeared, Sinn Féin at least used their influence to help the search for remains. Most remains have been found at this stage (hopefully all will be). There was estimated to be at least ten times more people Disappeared throughout the few years of the Tan War than were Disappeared during the Troubles. FF/FG never once tried to use their influence to find one of the bodies. Can anyone even remember them ever acknowledging these remains even exist?

Disgusting post. Used their influence! Wile good of them.

Did they not use their influence?Whats disgusting about me saying they did so? The independent body repsobsible for finding the remains is in record acknowledging SFs efforts. Are they disgusting for doing so too?

You know that in most cases they always knew where those bodies were as they were centrally involved. We all know that. It isn't really disputed..

So you were happy to vote for Sinn Fein in the past and all this stuff you are crying about then was just as relevant (or irrelevant depending on your persuasion) back then, yet when they take a stance on abortion that you don't like everything else is suddenly against your moral compass. I have to say I have more respect for blueshirts than the like of you. At least they make no attempt to hide what they are, unlike yourself, an utter hypocrite.

No I never agreed with that and in fact Patsy Gillespie whose family I know well was the start of the turn for me down a long road moving away from SF. It was a legitimate war which I backed to the hilt mostly, but this was disgusting especially when we later find out that half the Derry City brigade were touts. Who did Paddy Flood take a hit for?

[Angelo]

No. GA knew everything about McConville. It is hard to look back at and take that in now, but its not really doubted, it is only really doubted by the completely brainwashed

How do you know GA knew everything about McConville?

Seems to be you're making massive assumptions and trying to pass them off as irrefutable facts.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

No. GA knew everything about McConville. It is hard to look back at and take that in now, but its not really doubted, it is only really doubted by the completely brainwashed

How do you know GA knew everything about McConville?

Seems to be you're making massive assumptions and trying to pass them off as irrefutable facts.

Time will tell

[Rossfan]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

So several people call you out on your hypocrisy, you avoid questions being put to you and your response is 'bots'. Cool.

Franko put some questions, I answered them.
I'll leave Fear Bun to deal with the Connolly House orthodox crew.

[Franko]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

So several people call you out on your hypocrisy, you avoid questions being put to you and your response is 'bots'. Cool.

Franko put some questions, I answered them.
I'll leave Fear Bun to deal with the Connolly House orthodox crew.

Glad you mentioned that.

In one of your answers you said that you genuinely cared about the fate of Columba McVeigh.

Just did a quick search there.

You have been on this forum for 14 odd years.  You never mentioned his name until yesterday and it was only as part of a political broadside at SF.

Interestingly, you also mentioned Jean McConville's name twice.  Both times to politically attack SF.

So, to be clear, your answer was bullshit and you are a liar.

And so is Heather Humphreys, if she pretends to care.

I will give you this, you have done well to deflect from the actual issue here.

But it is at the expense of your own 'reputation', such as that can be on an anonymous forum.

[Angelo]

Connolly House has the bots on overtime😃

So several people call you out on your hypocrisy, you avoid questions being put to you and your response is 'bots'. Cool.

Franko put some questions, I answered them.
I'll leave Fear Bun to deal with the Connolly House orthodox crew.

Glad you mentioned that.

In one of your answers you said that you genuinely cared about the fate of Columba McVeigh.

Just did a quick search there.

You have been on this forum for 14 odd years.  You never mentioned his name until yesterday and it was only as part of a political broadside at SF.

Interestingly, you also mentioned Jean McConville's name twice.  Both times to politically attack SF.

So, to be clear, your answer was bullshit and you are a liar.

And so is Heather Humphreys, if she pretends to care.

I will give you this, you have done well to deflect from the actual issue here.

But it is at the expense of your own 'reputation', such as that can be on an anonymous forum.

Good job opening for Rossfan here.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-research-candidates-asked-how-to-attack-sinn-fein-39736985.html

[Angelo]

You literally could not make this up.

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1326900424851529733

The government want to appoint an ex NAGP lobbyist to the board who are due to investigate Varadkar for leaking a document to the president of the NAGP.

This is outrageous but it tells you the type of corruption FF/FG are up to their necks in.

[Rossfan]

Anyone that doesn't care about Columba McVeigh or what was done to him is a person devoid of humanity or decency.
Or a brainwashed Provo.

[Itchy]

Anyone that doesn't care about Columba McVeigh or what was done to him is a person devoid of humanity or decency.
Or a brainwashed Provo.

Take a look in a mirror lad, that's you. Not a shite do you care.

[ThroughTheLaces]

Anyone that doesn't care about Columba McVeigh or what was done to him is a person devoid of humanity or decency.
Or a brainwashed Provo.

Again, back to my point that for some reason you have such compassion and sympathy for said victim, yet the disappeared in Cork seem to make you...well, a person devoid or humanity or decency.

They were different times back then though. And you can't remember it. So no harm done.