Division 2 2024

[David McKeown]

Best Case Scenario is Below

Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows

1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath

Remaining 7 Sides

10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5)  - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down

**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**

Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?

It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.

[bennydorano]

Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?

[Dunneroyal]

Colm just isn't working out for Meath. Looking at results we have beat a Kildare team in disarray, a louth team who should have beat us, drew with a poor enough cavan team and same with Fermanagh.  We just haven't improved since he came in. We lucky this years div 2 weakest in a long time. We gonna get some shock in all ire games.

[David McKeown]

Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?

I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.

[yellowcard]

Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?

I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.

I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.

We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.

[Armagh18]

Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?

I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.

I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.

We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.

Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us. 

[JoG2]

Best Case Scenario is Below

Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows

1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath

Remaining 7 Sides

10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5)  - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down

**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**

Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?

It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.

If you're sitting around 15th / 16th in a given year and hoping to scrap into the Sam Maguire Cup, would you not be better just missing out and being one of the favourites for the Tailtean?

[Armagh18]

Best Case Scenario is Below

Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows

1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath

Remaining 7 Sides

10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5)  - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down

**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**

Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?

It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.

If you're sitting around 15th / 16th in a given year and hoping to scrap into the Sam Maguire Cup, would you not be better just missing out and being one of the favourites for the Tailtean?

based on what I've seen in the league, outside of ourselves, Donegal and maybe Cork the rest of division 2 and below would get tanked in the Sam Maguire.

Having said that Westmeath gave us and Tyrone our fill of it last year.

[Ed Ricketts]

Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?

I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.

I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.

We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.

Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us. 

Rian will come back in for the serious stuff, but I don't get the feeling Oisin will play much this year. Maybe bits and pieces off the bench. Seem to be very cautious with his workload, which is sensible enough considering his injury history. Stamina probably needs building back too given how long he has been away.

[Armagh18]

Ive lost a lot of faith & interest in Armagh this year. Near half way through D1 last season I remember discussing how we should push on and try and win the league. We ended up relegated and then doubled down on the disappointment in the USFC & AI series. This year's league cakewalk just reinforces what a waste its been. Who can tell if any lessons have been learned?

I'm actually quite the opposite, the year in Division 2 has to me at least allowed Armagh to develop and hone a new game plan as well as unearth/develop a few new players. I'm not sure that would have been possible in Division 1. The proof of the pudding Will obviously be in the eating but I'm more satisfied with a league campaign than I have been in nearly 20 years.

I'd be the same. Less hype and media scrutiny playing in division 2 and we have produced a few new players that might not have been possible playing division 1 football. It didn't do Derry or Dublin any harm last year anyway. The League won't define our season but for the longer term good of Armagh football it's much better to be back up in the top division again.

We have the best defensive record in the country whilst not compromising our attacking threat so from that point of view I don't think we could asked for much more from this League campaign.

Up against very very little bar the Donegal game so hopefully we get a good competitive game in Croker to set us up well for Ulster. Only slight worry for me is the fitness of the 2 O'Neills. Won't beat a big team without them imo but if we'd them both in top form it would take a very very good team to stop us. 

Rian will come back in for the serious stuff, but I don't get the feeling Oisin will play much this year. Maybe bits and pieces off the bench. Seem to be very cautious with his workload, which is sensible enough considering his injury history. Stamina probably needs building back too given how long he has been away.

Rian looks nowhere near fit which would be my worry although plenty of time to get there. Hopefully both get a full game in Cork to get abit more into the legs.

[seafoid]

Colm just isn't working out for Meath. Looking at results we have beat a Kildare team in disarray, a louth team who should have beat us, drew with a poor enough cavan team and same with Fermanagh.  We just haven't improved since he came in. We lucky this years div 2 weakest in a long time. We gonna get some shock in all ire games.

The league this year is weird. I wouldn't read too much into Meath beyond securing d2 status. O'Rourke doesn't have the panel strength to shoot the lights out in March. But that isn't important anyway. 

[5times5times]

Will final be on Sat or Sun?

You potentially could have 4 ulster teams across div1-3 finals, and 3 alone if div 1&2 on Sunday?

[Armagh18]

Will final be on Sat or Sun?

You potentially could have 4 ulster teams across div1-3 finals, and 3 alone if div 1&2 on Sunday?

Usually 3&4 Saturday and 1&2 Sunday is it?

Ulster football is in a good place at the minute, just a question of if any team can make the step up and beat one of the big boys.

[David McKeown]

Best Case Scenario is Below

Provincial Finalists & Tailteann Cup winners as follows

1. Derry
2. Armagh
3. Kerry
4. Clare
5. Dublin
6. Louth
7. Galway
8. Mayo
9. Meath

Remaining 7 Sides

10. Tyrone
11. Donegal
12. Roscommon
13. Monaghan
14. 3rd in Division 2 - Likely Cavan
15. 4th in Division 2 - Likely Cork
16. 5th in Division 2 (or 6th if Meath Finish top 5)  - or Division three winner if Louth make provincial Final - Likely Down

**Winning Division three will actually be enough in this scenario if Louth stay up in division two and get into a provincial final**

Has entry criteria changed because I don't think winning Division 3 got you in previously?

It doesn't get you in automatically but it leaves you as either the 15th or 16th ranked team depending on where the Tailtean cup winners end up. That might be good enough this year given the provincial draws.

If you're sitting around 15th / 16th in a given year and hoping to scrap into the Sam Maguire Cup, would you not be better just missing out and being one of the favourites for the Tailtean?

I suppose that varies county to county and where you are in your developmental cycle.  Do you get buy in from players and supporters for the Tailtean etc

[Dunneroyal]

Colm just isn't working out for Meath. Looking at results we have beat a Kildare team in disarray, a louth team who should have beat us, drew with a poor enough cavan team and same with Fermanagh.  We just haven't improved since he came in. We lucky this years div 2 weakest in a long time. We gonna get some shock in all ire games.

The league this year is weird. I wouldn't read too much into Meath beyond securing d2 status. O'Rourke doesn't have the panel strength to shoot the lights out in March. But that isn't important anyway. 

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While I agree it's a weird league. I'm getting so tired of the stupid excuses from Colm. He's embarrassing himself and the county. Lot to be said for taking it on the chin saying I messed up. And we learn and move on