The DUP thread

[johnnycool]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

It will go through the UK parliament irrespective of the DUP as no amount of ERG'ers will get the numbers up to stop it especially if Labour row in behind Rishi.

What the DUP need to ask themselves is what happens if Stormont is down for another year, what replaces it and how does that pan out long term?

[Armagh18]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

It will go through the UK parliament irrespective of the DUP as no amount of ERG'ers will get the numbers up to stop it especially if Labour row in behind Rishi.

What the DUP need to ask themselves is what happens if Stormont is down for another year, what replaces it and how does that pan out long term?

Long term everyone knows what is coming just a question of when.

Aside from that though the DUP don't have the intelligence or foresight to plan ahead. All they know is saying no to everything!

[johnnycool]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

It will go through the UK parliament irrespective of the DUP as no amount of ERG'ers will get the numbers up to stop it especially if Labour row in behind Rishi.

What the DUP need to ask themselves is what happens if Stormont is down for another year, what replaces it and how does that pan out long term?

Long term everyone knows what is coming just a question of when.

Aside from that though the DUP don't have the intelligence or foresight to plan ahead. All they know is saying no to everything!

And that will work for a while with an ever diminishing level of support as they circle the plug hole...

[93-DY-SAM]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

It will go through the UK parliament irrespective of the DUP as no amount of ERG'ers will get the numbers up to stop it especially if Labour row in behind Rishi.

What the DUP need to ask themselves is what happens if Stormont is down for another year, what replaces it and how does that pan out long term?

Long term everyone knows what is coming just a question of when.

Aside from that though the DUP don't have the intelligence or foresight to plan ahead. All they know is saying no to everything!

And that will work for a while with an ever diminishing level of support as they circle the plug hole...

They day they get washed down it can't come soon enough for the rest of us.

[Armaghtothebone]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

It will go through the UK parliament irrespective of the DUP as no amount of ERG'ers will get the numbers up to stop it especially if Labour row in behind Rishi.

What the DUP need to ask themselves is what happens if Stormont is down for another year, what replaces it and how does that pan out long term?

64 million dollar question right there.
If the deal is dead Stormont is dead.
If Stormont is dead the GFA is dead.
If the GFA is dead no way will nationalists/ republicans accept direct rule from London.
Either the change has to be made to allow a "coalition of the willing " to take power in Stormont with the rest in opposition or Rishi has to grow a set and move straight to joint authority.

[Armamike]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

I would assume it will go ahead as long as parliament votes for it.  The brake is a mechanism that can't be used though if  no Stormont. So they would be worse off.

[Armamike]

What's the story if they do reject? Will Rishi not just go ahead with a vote anyway, and it'll get enough support especially with labour suppirting. Can they not implement it without DUP/ NI assembly? Will just mean the "brake" will be out of action removing all power from theDUP to challenge Europe.

It will go through the UK parliament irrespective of the DUP as no amount of ERG'ers will get the numbers up to stop it especially if Labour row in behind Rishi.

What the DUP need to ask themselves is what happens if Stormont is down for another year, what replaces it and how does that pan out long term?

64 million dollar question right there.
If the deal is dead Stormont is dead.
If Stormont is dead the GFA is dead.
If the GFA is dead no way will nationalists/ republicans accept direct rule from London.
Either the change has to be made to allow a "coalition of the willing " to take power in Stormont with the rest in opposition or Rishi has to grow a set and move straight to joint authority.

Can't see the EU wanting any more negotiations. Bigger fish to fry now.  If DUP stay out of Stormont  it does like very much like the current model is finished.  Either direct rule or a coalition of those who do want to work together.  I'd bet on the DUP seeking 'clarification' on a number of aspects to save a bit of face before returning.  I think they will return - there's no where else to go.

[AustinPowers]

What does Stormont  actually do though?

Any laws passed  in recent times has been  passed by Westminster. As well as  fuel payments, covid grants etc.  So what is the point of  Stormont?

[seafoid]

Unionism has an image  problem over on the mother ship. Most English people don't care .

Then you have stuff like this

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/03/02/unionism-really-needs-to-ask-why-london-wont-take-its-side/
Jim Allister, leader of the TUV, noted on Tuesday morning: "So, all in all, for anyone whose compass is set by sovereignty considerations and whose goal is the strengthening, not weakening, of the union with GB, this is a deal which falls far short.
As for it being enough to cause unionism to give up its Stormont leverage and settle for this deal, which comes with the added packaging of a Sinn Féin First Minister, then, no thanks!"

As Alex Kane says in the same article
"But not one of the unionist critics of the Framework – or of any other "deal" – will ask, or has asked the only question that matters for UK governments: why do you do it?
It's a question that needs to be asked and answered, not least because unionism needs to know what it must do (or stop doing) in order to win over a more sympathetic audience in Westminster, the national media and its fellow citizens across the entire United Kingdom."

[seafoid]

What does Stormont  actually do though?

Any laws passed  in recent times has been  passed by Westminster. As well as  fuel payments, covid grants etc.  So what is the point of  Stormont?

Devolved government.

[Sportacus]

What does Stormont  actually do though?

Any laws passed  in recent times has been  passed by Westminster. As well as  fuel payments, covid grants etc.  So what is the point of  Stormont?

In theory it brings some decision making closer to the people on things like health and education where policies are devolved.  But of course it's plagued by the fact its almost completely reliant on the block grant from Treasury, the civil service is too bureaucratic, and the politicians are a bunch of amateurs who save up all the tough decisions for when they pull the house down so someone else can decide.  They haven't the balls to restructure hospitals, introduce water charges etc. 

But in theory it's a good thing lol. But it's a fair question to ask what significant difference would it make if it returned.  I think best positive answer to that is that the people who do the real work here and go out and win business contracts and attract investment and jobs aren't undermined by political uncertainty.

[Eire90]

they will probably reject it as boris says its bad

[Eire90]

did paisley say he was speaking on behalf of bryson

[delgany]

did paisley say he was speaking on behalf of bryson

Bryson is a member of the ' think - tank' !  You have to laugh, a shit show all round !

[AustinPowers]

What does Stormont  actually do though?

Any laws passed  in recent times has been  passed by Westminster. As well as  fuel payments, covid grants etc.  So what is the point of  Stormont?

In theory it brings some decision making closer to the people on things like health and education where policies are devolved.  But of course it's plagued by the fact its almost completely reliant on the block grant from Treasury, the civil service is too bureaucratic, and the politicians are a bunch of amateurs who save up all the tough decisions for when they pull the house down so someone else can decide.  They haven't the balls to restructure hospitals, introduce water charges etc. 

But in theory it's a good thing lol. But it's a fair question to ask what significant difference would it make if it returned.  I think best positive answer to that is that the people who do the real work here and go out and win business contracts and attract investment and jobs aren't undermined by political uncertainty.

So, no point then? 

So,  good riddance Stormont.