Eighth Amendment poll

[omaghjoe]

So out of interest...

I see there is this hometovote thing going on. Obviously the numbers would likely be too small to make a significant difference to the result but I was wondering

Whats the legality of that? Aren't they non-residents and thereby not eligible to vote?

The elephant in the room of course is the million or so people in the north that are non resident citizens and do not have the right to vote.

[gallsman]

So out of interest...

I see there is this hometovote thing going on. Obviously the numbers would likely be too small to make a significant difference to the result but I was wondering

Whats the legality of that? Aren't they non-residents and thereby not eligible to vote?

The elephant in the room of course is the million or so people in the north that are non resident citizens and do not have the right to vote.

If you were resident within the last 12 months you are eligible to vote.

[thebigfella]

So out of interest...

I see there is this hometovote thing going on. Obviously the numbers would likely be too small to make a significant difference to the result but I was wondering

Whats the legality of that? Aren't they non-residents and thereby not eligible to vote?

The elephant in the room of course is the million or so people in the north that are non resident citizens and do not have the right to vote.

No elephant, they shouldn't have a say as they were never a resident.

[magpie seanie]

So out of interest...

I see there is this hometovote thing going on. Obviously the numbers would likely be too small to make a significant difference to the result but I was wondering

Whats the legality of that? Aren't they non-residents and thereby not eligible to vote?

The elephant in the room of course is the million or so people in the north that are non resident citizens and do not have the right to vote.

If you were resident within the last 12 months you are eligible to vote.

It's more nuanced that that. I think it's 18 months but there must be an intention to return (which is grey/wooly to put it mildly).

[AZOffaly]

Most of them are young lads and girls in the middle of a couple of years away from home. The vast majority will return to Ireland to live and settle down, so of course they are entitled to a say in the future of our country. Fair play to them.

[magpie seanie]

Going to sign off for today with this - thank to those who engaged in discussions with me here. I obviously hope you vote yes. I hope you didn't find me too forceful in my opinions. I have strong beliefs but wouldn't want to upset anyone, genuinely.

I hope that when all this is over we can work together for a better Ireland where people's mental and physical health and wellbeing are prioritised first and foremost. Where we have a proper, functioning health service that is free to all and fit for purpose. Where we help people with their mental health and not just ignore and pretend it doesn't exist. It's not survival of the fittest - we're human beings capable of love and empathy and I think this should be our priority. Whatever side of this discussion you're on, if we fix these problems there will be fewer abortions, no matter where they take place.

[laoislad]

Good man seanie. I'll be voting No but I can understand also why someone would be voting Yes.
I'm glad it's all over today whatever the outcome.

[easytiger95]

Going to sign off for today with this - thank to those who engaged in discussions with me here. I obviously hope you vote yes. I hope you didn't find me too forceful in my opinions. I have strong beliefs but wouldn't want to upset anyone, genuinely.

I hope that when all this is over we can work together for a better Ireland where people's mental and physical health and wellbeing are prioritised first and foremost. Where we have a proper, functioning health service that is free to all and fit for purpose. Where we help people with their mental health and not just ignore and pretend it doesn't exist. It's not survival of the fittest - we're human beings capable of love and empathy and I think this should be our priority. Whatever side of this discussion you're on, if we fix these problems there will be fewer abortions, no matter where they take place.

Well said Seanie and well done.

Brisk trade at my polling station this morning in Dublin West. Sun is splitting the trees, so everything in place for a big turnout.

[seafoid]

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/floating-voter-debates-the-eighth-with-mcguirk-and-noone-young-men-could-rebel-against-yes-36942319.html
He also said he would discourage a family member from having an abortion if they became pregnant as a result of rape.
"I wouldn't condemn them if they did. I have a friend who was born as a result of a rape and I can't look him in the eye and tell him he shouldn't be here," Mr McGuirk said.

[blast05]

When Michael McDowell was Attorney General in 2002, he proposed an amendment to the 8th....
The subsection shall not invalidate laws enacted by the Oireachtas to permit and regulate the termination of a pregnancy which is alleged in a prescribed form to be the result of a crime committed against the mother

Accepting the difficulties of subsequent legislation for rape, it shows that addressing many scenarios via an amendment could have been quite straight forward.

And Sid, any thoughts on my last post ?

[Dinny Breen]

Going to sign off for today with this - thank to those who engaged in discussions with me here. I obviously hope you vote yes. I hope you didn't find me too forceful in my opinions. I have strong beliefs but wouldn't want to upset anyone, genuinely.

I hope that when all this is over we can work together for a better Ireland where people's mental and physical health and wellbeing are prioritised first and foremost. Where we have a proper, functioning health service that is free to all and fit for purpose. Where we help people with their mental health and not just ignore and pretend it doesn't exist. It's not survival of the fittest - we're human beings capable of love and empathy and I think this should be our priority. Whatever side of this discussion you're on, if we fix these problems there will be fewer abortions, no matter where they take place.

Well said Seanie. I will be voting yes.

[seafoid]

One thing that doesn't get enough attention re abortion rates is insightful sex education. Teenagers shouldn't have to learn from porn.

[thebigfella]

When Michael McDowell was Attorney General in 2002, he proposed an amendment to the 8th....
The subsection shall not invalidate laws enacted by the Oireachtas to permit and regulate the termination of a pregnancy which is alleged in a prescribed form to be the result of a crime committed against the mother

Accepting the difficulties of subsequent legislation for rape, it shows that addressing many scenarios via an amendment could have been quite straight forward.

And Sid, any thoughts on my last post ?

Why diodn't the citizens assembly make these recommendations if it was straight forward?

[Itchy]

Going to sign off for today with this - thank to those who engaged in discussions with me here. I obviously hope you vote yes. I hope you didn't find me too forceful in my opinions. I have strong beliefs but wouldn't want to upset anyone, genuinely.

I hope that when all this is over we can work together for a better Ireland where people's mental and physical health and wellbeing are prioritised first and foremost. Where we have a proper, functioning health service that is free to all and fit for purpose. Where we help people with their mental health and not just ignore and pretend it doesn't exist. It's not survival of the fittest - we're human beings capable of love and empathy and I think this should be our priority. Whatever side of this discussion you're on, if we fix these problems there will be fewer abortions, no matter where they take place.

Well said. I'll be a Yes voter today but absolutely respect the vast majority on the No side who have genuine concerns and will vote No. The extremes on both sides do not represent my opinion. Hope everyone with a vote will use it - it was hard earned.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

When Michael McDowell was Attorney General in 2002, he proposed an amendment to the 8th....
The subsection shall not invalidate laws enacted by the Oireachtas to permit and regulate the termination of a pregnancy which is alleged in a prescribed form to be the result of a crime committed against the mother

Accepting the difficulties of subsequent legislation for rape, it shows that addressing many scenarios via an amendment could have been quite straight forward.

And Sid, any thoughts on my last post ?

Maybe from a pure legal point of view but generally proving "a crime committed against the mother" takes the legal system longer than 9 months.  So useless in a practical sense.

/Jim.