Anastasia Kriegel

[moysider]

Nothing like an ignorant vigilante mob in full flow.
Seems some of the cnuts posted  another lad's photo as one of the pair.

What exactly are you saying here Rossfan? What did you expect to happen?

All this post trial is bullshit. The only thing that matters is that girl was destroyed. Everything else is noise by comparison. Everything. That lad that was posted is not going to gaol and if he can sue the idiot that did him he should go for it.

Let all that stuff play out it's course but the bottom line is that a 14 year old girl was murdered and nothing else matters f**k all in comparison to that. I have zero compassion for the families of A and B. Let them get on with it and the revulsion and hate they will get - for a while. It will only be for a while. That girl gone is for ever.

[gallsman]

Zero compassion for the families of the two boys? Really? The mothers? The siblings? None of them have done a thing and their worlds are destroyed.

[manfromdelmonte]

Zero compassion for the families of the two boys? Really? The mothers? The siblings? None of them have done a thing and their worlds are destroyed.

They have to live with their actions and lies

They destroyed that girl

[omaghjoe]

Wouldn't be too fond of this naming these boys  The law is there for a reason and should be upheld and protected.

Any1 know what the story is when they turn 18? Can they be named then?

[gallsman]

Zero compassion for the families of the two boys? Really? The mothers? The siblings? None of them have done a thing and their worlds are destroyed.

They have to live with their actions and lies

They destroyed that girl

The mothers did? The siblings?

[oliverkelly]

Wouldn't be too fond of this naming these boys  The law is there for a reason and should be upheld and protected.

Any1 know what the story is when they turn 18? Can they be named then?

No dont think so. A son of well known criminal got put away for stabbing a young lad to death in Dublin while under the age of 18. As far as i know he is over 18 now and has never been named.

[Farrandeelin]

Zero compassion for the families of the two boys? Really? The mothers? The siblings? None of them have done a thing and their worlds are destroyed.

They have to live with their actions and lies

They destroyed that girl

Wouldn't go as far as they destroyed her. They have however facilitated their sons' actions by going along with their lies.

Parental negligence has been bandied about too.

[High Fielder]

I have no interest in these murderers or their families. There are enough psychologists out there who can spend their time analysing how and why this came to pass. These lads will get a second chance, but Anna won't be so lucky. No time served can ever equate to the death sentence they gave to that girl. The focus is all wrong in my opinion. We should be piecing together the fabric of Anna's life and learning more about her and what made her so susceptible. Giving these murderers all the oxygen is only ever going to facilitate another attack.

[Hound]

Is it Boy A or B's father who is alleged to be a member of AGS? Or is it the usual twitter bull?

Well the rumour was that it was A, but it was a "guard". Whether that was police or prison seems split 50/50 (before/during the trial most were saying prison, but not so after).
But then again B was supposed to be of eastern european heritage, but that seems to have been twitter bull.

I haven't seen the names or pictures of the boys, but it seems A's name is a common one, and if you search it and Leixlip, you get images of another boy with the same name from a nearby town, and his pic has been doing the rounds as well as the real one.

I personally agree with those who think the reaction to B's father's outburst was way OTT. The Gardai did an amazing job to get him convicted, given the lack of evidence they had to start with on him. If you look at it from the father's perspective, believing that B was coerced by the bigger, stronger Boy A, then you could see how he may have believed this was a complete stitch up job by the Gardai and anyone would be angry in that situation regarding their child. 

But B's father doesn't come across well in the Irish Times detailed report. When the police came to the door to interview the boy, he ignored them and let the mother deal with it and just went to bed. He also didn't accompany the child to the interviews, again, left to mother. And when the police first got B's surname, they found it in the Pulse system. Boy B had never been before the courts before, so maybe his father had. Although there are innocent ways you get on the Pulse system also, e.g. traffic incident, witness to something, etc.

Also stuff going round that complaints had been made previously to the school about A and B bullying others, but nothing done about it.

But as you say, everything has to be taken with pinch of salt given "usual twitter bull"

[GetOverTheBar]

Wouldn't be too fond of this naming these boys  The law is there for a reason and should be upheld and protected.

Any1 know what the story is when they turn 18? Can they be named then?

The law is there to protect the identities of the families as opposed to the perpetrators. Infact anyone who is naming them / sharing photos online could actually well help Boy B in his seemingly inevitable appeal - 'unfair trial' etc.

[brokencrossbar1]

Wouldn't be too fond of this naming these boys  The law is there for a reason and should be upheld and protected.

Any1 know what the story is when they turn 18? Can they be named then?

The law is there to protect the identities of the families as opposed to the perpetrators. Infact anyone who is naming them / sharing photos online could actually well help Boy B in his seemingly inevitable appeal - 'unfair trial' etc.

Any sharing of information now will have no bearing on an appeal.  Anything shared now would not compromise the jury and the appeal can only be on a point of law.  The likely appeal points will arise out of the ruling by the judge not to allow the psychological report in,  possibly some stuff that may have arisen in a voir dire that was not before the jury and sometimes is not reported on,  possible questions over the detention and nature of the questioning by AGS, stuff like that.  After the fact stuff like sharing his name/picture on-line will not impact any appeal.

[Dougal Maguire]

Excuse my ignorance but what is AGS?

[gallsman]

The guards.

[seafoid]

The media made a mistake reporting the father's reaction.
This was not a normal trial. Children murdered a child and public revulsion levels were already high.
Driving a family into hiding serves nobody .

[Dougal Maguire]

The guards.

Oops. Thanks for that. Agree with your sentiments on this thread by the way