China Coronavirus

[thebigfella]

Businesses have suffered enough. Many owners won't put up with this anymore. Grants/loans placated them for a while, but their businesses won't survive with all that passports entail.  Enforcing vaccine passports for someone wanting a cup of tea in a cafe isn't going to sort out the pandemic. It's up to politicians and government to do that, not business owners.

Are you able to quantify the financial impact of the passports or are you just making this up as per all your other posts?

Regardless of the the other arguments around the passports; there is zero evidence that businesses are struggling financially due to checking certs.

[BennyCake]

Businesses have suffered enough. Many owners won't put up with this anymore. Grants/loans placated them for a while, but their businesses won't survive with all that passports entail.  Enforcing vaccine passports for someone wanting a cup of tea in a cafe isn't going to sort out the pandemic. It's up to politicians and government to do that, not business owners.

Are you able to quantify the financial impact of the passports or are you just making this up as per all your other posts?

Regardless of the the other arguments around the passports; there is zero evidence that businesses are struggling financially due to checking certs.

It takes time to process, extra staff, and the bigger the establishment/footfall, the bigger the inconvenience and hassle. Take concerts venues, nightclubs, sports events, and the extra effort all that will entail. Do you think all that is not going to put extra burden on businesses?

[Last Man]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

[armaghniac]

Businesses have suffered enough. Many owners won't put up with this anymore. Grants/loans placated them for a while, but their businesses won't survive with all that passports entail.  Enforcing vaccine passports for someone wanting a cup of tea in a cafe isn't going to sort out the pandemic. It's up to politicians and government to do that, not business owners.

Are you able to quantify the financial impact of the passports or are you just making this up as per all your other posts?

Regardless of the the other arguments around the passports; there is zero evidence that businesses are struggling financially due to checking certs.

It takes time to process, extra staff, and the bigger the establishment/footfall, the bigger the inconvenience and hassle. Take concerts venues, nightclubs, sports events, and the extra effort all that will entail. Do you think all that is not going to put extra burden on businesses?

Of course it puts an extra burden on business. But business has to run their ooperations so that they are not a danger to public health, no doubt they would make more profit if they did not have to.

[Eire90]

Cases growing in the 26 counties now, there are a lot more than most European countries with good vaccination coverage. People are getting a bit careless.

they will do  you think  business owners will start rioting or something no they will bow down

I think a total lockdown will be needed before Christmas.

That horse has bolted. Any more lockdowns will be 99% ignored especially with younger people.

Hard to ignore if everything is shut. After 3 of them, you do understand how they work 

Meh. Not much pointing making businesses suffer when people will still meet up in different settings. Anyway BoJo hopefully has cut the magic furlough money tree for good now so lockdowns won't be back.

So what is it, no lockdowns because no one will obey or because there is no public money for it?

Both. People will ignore it, and businesses will ignore the soon to be introduced passports.

Businesses won't. Principles are easily abandoned when you livelihood and the people you employ is under threat.

Businesses have suffered enough. Many owners won't put up with this anymore. Grants/loans placated them for a while, but their businesses won't survive with all that passports entail.  Enforcing vaccine passports for someone wanting a cup of tea in a cafe isn't going to sort out the pandemic. It's up to politicians and government to do that, not business owners.

[thebigfella]

Businesses have suffered enough. Many owners won't put up with this anymore. Grants/loans placated them for a while, but their businesses won't survive with all that passports entail.  Enforcing vaccine passports for someone wanting a cup of tea in a cafe isn't going to sort out the pandemic. It's up to politicians and government to do that, not business owners.

Are you able to quantify the financial impact of the passports or are you just making this up as per all your other posts?

Regardless of the the other arguments around the passports; there is zero evidence that businesses are struggling financially due to checking certs.

It takes time to process, extra staff, and the bigger the establishment/footfall, the bigger the inconvenience and hassle. Take concerts venues, nightclubs, sports events, and the extra effort all that will entail. Do you think all that is not going to put extra burden on businesses?

You do know most of these venues with the bigger footfall already already check tickets, IDs, search and they don't need extra staff to check. There is no extra burden as they already are doing checks and it takes seconds. The promoters/owners etc... in the south have already stated there is no impact.

On the subject of smaller venues, you do know they don't need to employ security to check this 😀 most cafes and bars in Dublin just ask you on entry and check when they are taking your order. Again no effort.

So no it's not putting any burden to the point they can't survive and plenty of business have openly stated that.

[thebigfella]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

[Last Man]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

It recommends that you stop eating takeaways and porter, adopt a healthy lifestyle and diet. Take personal responsibility for your health, shouldn't be anyones problem but yours.
Go forward with your best possible inate immune system plus judicious medical intervention and go swing the world by the tail. 

[thebigfella]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

It recommends that you stop eating takeaways and porter, adopt a healthy lifestyle and diet. Take personal responsibility for your health, shouldn't be anyones problem but yours.
Go forward with your best possible inate immune system plus judicious medical intervention and go swing the world by the tail.

Wonderful but again how does all that help with controlling the spread and impact of an infectious disease?

[highorlow]

We would likely have less people vulnerable to Covid during the Winter and therefore would have protected the health system better had Tony and co not been so irresponsible with such a severe lockdown since last March.

Once the over 60's and the vulnerable were vaccinated Coppers, Sports grounds, Cinemas etc should've opened to full capacity.

Looks like some sort of herd immunity is the only way this will end.

A few here predicted a winter lockdown caused by our shit Health Service, it's likely the NPHET egomaniacs will advise on a circuit breaker soon.

[Armagh18]

We would likely have less people vulnerable to Covid during the Winter and therefore would have protected the health system better had Tony and co not been so irresponsible with such a severe lockdown since last March.

Once the over 60's and the vulnerable were vaccinated Coppers, Sports grounds, Cinemas etc should've opened to full capacity.

Looks like some sort of herd immunity is the only way this will end.

A few here predicted a winter lockdown caused by our shit Health Service, it's likely the NPHET egomaniacs will advise on a circuit breaker soon.

Can't really argue with that.

[Last Man]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

It recommends that you stop eating takeaways and porter, adopt a healthy lifestyle and diet. Take personal responsibility for your health, shouldn't be anyones problem but yours.
Go forward with your best possible inate immune system plus judicious medical intervention and go swing the world by the tail.

Wonderful but again how does all that help with controlling the spread and impact of an infectious disease?

That's the thing, there's a false impression that this thing can be controlled in some way. The measures to date haven't done much. There's vaccines that help prevent hospitalisation no doubt but if your are not in good physical shape even it may not save you. So what can you do? Plan A: get yourself in the best possible shape so you can put up a good immune response if/when you catch it and take a vaccine if you want. Plan B: sit in the house, eat and drink rubbish, watch box sets. There's no magic bullet here.

[sid waddell]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

It recommends that you stop eating takeaways and porter, adopt a healthy lifestyle and diet. Take personal responsibility for your health, shouldn't be anyones problem but yours.
Go forward with your best possible inate immune system plus judicious medical intervention and go swing the world by the tail.

Wonderful but again how does all that help with controlling the spread and impact of an infectious disease?

That's the thing, there's a false impression that this thing can be controlled in some way. The measures to date haven't done much. There's vaccines that help prevent hospitalisation no doubt but if your are not in good physical shape even it may not save you. So what can you do? Plan A: get yourself in the best possible shape so you can put up a good immune response if/when you catch it and take a vaccine if you want. Plan B: sit in the house, eat and drink rubbish, watch box sets. There's no magic bullet here.

Covid cannot be controlled by healthy eating.

So stop pretending it can.

That's woo.

[Last Man]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

It recommends that you stop eating takeaways and porter, adopt a healthy lifestyle and diet. Take personal responsibility for your health, shouldn't be anyones problem but yours.
Go forward with your best possible inate immune system plus judicious medical intervention and go swing the world by the tail.

Wonderful but again how does all that help with controlling the spread and impact of an infectious disease?

That's the thing, there's a false impression that this thing can be controlled in some way. The measures to date haven't done much. There's vaccines that help prevent hospitalisation no doubt but if your are not in good physical shape even it may not save you. So what can you do? Plan A: get yourself in the best possible shape so you can put up a good immune response if/when you catch it and take a vaccine if you want. Plan B: sit in the house, eat and drink rubbish, watch box sets. There's no magic bullet here.

Covid cannot be controlled by healthy eating.

So stop pretending it can.

That's woo.

I didn't state it could be controlled by anything, I only promote taking personal responsibility, control the controllable. Attempting anything beyond this is such a waste of energy and probably dangerous for your mental health.

[thebigfella]

Strikes me that too many people in this discussion believe there is a pill for every ill. If you are that focused on your good health and that of your loved ones as you undoubtedly are, isn't there an argument to broaden your horizon. For the simple reason there's plenty of other things that will put us in the ground prematurely beyond Covid. There's a worrying level of neuroticism creeping in here.
Chill out to this for half an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QO33hfadY

You do understand what a pandemic is?

Think so yes, something along these lines as far as I can tell.
"Pandemic, outbreak of infectious disease that occurs over a wide geographical area and that is of high prevalence, generally affecting a significant proportion of the world's population over the course of several months"
Not terror inducing however for those who are metabolically healthy, hence the video presentation I shared. You should watch it.
Just trying to help.

What does the YouTube recommend for the infections diseases?

It recommends that you stop eating takeaways and porter, adopt a healthy lifestyle and diet. Take personal responsibility for your health, shouldn't be anyones problem but yours.
Go forward with your best possible inate immune system plus judicious medical intervention and go swing the world by the tail.

Wonderful but again how does all that help with controlling the spread and impact of an infectious disease?

That's the thing, there's a false impression that this thing can be controlled in some way. The measures to date haven't done much. There's vaccines that help prevent hospitalisation no doubt but if your are not in good physical shape even it may not save you. So what can you do? Plan A: get yourself in the best possible shape so you can put up a good immune response if/when you catch it and take a vaccine if you want. Plan B: sit in the house, eat and drink rubbish, watch box sets. There's no magic bullet here.

All very well but I don't think Covid will wait to infect us until we the best version of ourselves 

Again none of this is relevant to preventing the spread of an infectious disease. No one has ever started the the virus can be controlled (at least anyone with cop on), all measures up to this point whether you agree with them or not where about reducing the spread of covid and the load of the health service; plus also to reduce the risk of mutations. It's clear that without some or all of the measures in the last year we would have been looking at much worse scenario.