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[seafoid]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

[restorepride]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

That is totally untrue. I get a flu vaccine every year to minimise risk.

[Angelo]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

[Milltown Row2]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Extra 20k flu related deaths, not 50k, please don't inflate the deaths please..

If there is no testing for flu, then how do you know you've got it?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

milltown i think he is right it is invalid to compare flu and covid.

[Milltown Row2]

milltown i think he is right it is invalid to compare flu and covid.

I'm trying to find out from Angelo if he thinks that Covid is not real and its actually the Flu we are having at the minute

[Angelo]

milltown i think he is right it is invalid to compare flu and covid.

I'm trying to find out from Angelo if he thinks that Covid is not real and its actually the Flu we are having at the minute

I have not said Covid is not real.

I have said our reaction to is overcooked and disingenuous and is creating more problems than its solving.

[Milltown Row2]

milltown i think he is right it is invalid to compare flu and covid.

I'm trying to find out from Angelo if he thinks that Covid is not real and its actually the Flu we are having at the minute

I have not said Covid is not real.

I have said our reaction to is overcooked and disingenuous and is creating more problems than its solving.

The reaction is to the fact that this virus is brand new, with no vaccine to contain it and with transmissions being so easily passed that the lockdowns (as horrible as they are) were the only way to slow down the hospital admissions and for the NHS, which is on its knees due to poor funding, not to collapse.

Had we looked at it with just a flippant approach we'd have a cases that would have been much worse than the Spanish Flu.

[Angelo]

Winter flu of 17/18 was a disaster that cost lives but nobody really cared or were bothered to save lives back then.

Perhaps you can say that it was. However, it went away in a couple of months so it is a totally different case to Covid. So stop yakking on about it.

Winter flu is an annual thing, it comes back every year and kills on an annual basis. We just don't seem to care enough to do anything that might minimise our reduce those figures.

Mortality including winter flu fell for 10 years in a row until Covid.
Last year mortality in the UK increased by 13%

20,000 people died between Jan 13 and Feb 9 in the UK.
Covid is far deadlier than winter flu.

Invalid comparison due to

A) arbitrary recording of Covid deaths
B) no mass testing for flu

50k excess deaths in Dec 17 - Mar 18 during winter flu season.

Extra 20k flu related deaths, not 50k, please don't inflate the deaths please..

If there is no testing for flu, then how do you know you've got it?

50k excess deaths in 17/18 winter flu season.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

1. In the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales.


Apology accepted.

That's also only an England and Wales figure.

[Milltown Row2]

are you concerned with England and Wales? Its very difficult to follow you, as you change countries so many times to find something that suits you, bit of a Traveller

[Angelo]

are you concerned with England and Wales? Its very difficult to follow you, as you change countries so many times to find something that suits you, bit of a Traveller

I'm not sure we have a figure for the O6.

If you want to use the NISRA figures:

We currently have 491 excess deaths in Dec20/Jan21 relative to Dec19/Jan20
We had 329 excess deaths in Dec 17/Jan8 relative to Dec16/Jan17

Anyway, I accepted your apology.

[Milltown Row2]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths. 

[Angelo]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths.

We're not talking about the annual deaths. We're talking about the deaths in winter flu season.

[armaghniac]

We're not talking about the annual deaths. We're talking about the deaths in winter flu season.

We aren't, you are.

[LeoMc]

Annual deaths in the UK and constituent countries
Year    United Kingdom England and Wales   England    Wales   Scotland   Northern Ireland
2019    604,707   530,841      496,370        33,183        58,108            15,758
2018    616,014   541,589      505,859        34,406        58,503            15,922
2017    607,172   533,253      498,882        33,248        57,883            16,036
2016    597,206   525,048      490,791        33,066        56,728            15,430
2015    602,782   529,655      495,309        33,198        57,579            15,548
2014    570,341   501,424      468,875        31,439        54,239            14,678
2013        576,458   506,790      473,552        32,138        54,700            14,968
2012    569,024   499,331      466,779        31,502        54,937            14,756
2011    552,232   484,367      452,862        30,426        53,661            14,204
2010    561,666   493,242      461,017        31,197     53,967            14,457


Annually the yearly deaths didn't change that much, the reasons we had that spike was poor vaccine and a long winter that lasted from November through to March. In NI there was a spike of less than a 1000 extra deaths.

Excess deaths is a comparison to the summer months not to other years. An excess death of 50,000 means 50,0000 more died in the winter than the following summer.
Comparing excess from 1 winter to the next gives a truer comparison. Alternatively reading the ONS site rather than just the headlines you get the break down by cause.