China Coronavirus

[PadraicHenryPearse]

i agree with zero covid but little or no appetite given our perceived closeness to opening up and vaccinations and obvious border issues.

im on the more cautious side i think, i dont believe we are ready to open up for 3 main reasons. 1. increased risk of mutations 2. i think we need the figure very low and not in the community. 3. our history of opening up early imo and its outcomes.

i think we can then (if we get to point 2) put in place better track and trace, better and wider testing with both the 15 min test and 24 hr lab test, we can also test high risk areas like meat plants etc. the extra capacity should be available from lower numbers and reduced testing of hosiptal staff if vaccines are successful. obviously we also need better controls at airports etc too.

[lenny]

The proper solution is to lock down and isolate Ireland completely, and keep its borders shut until the rest of the world has stamped it out. No exceptions. Nil.

If that is not feasible, then we already have nearly done enough to open up again. Once the over 70s and high risk groups have been vaccinated, then Covid's potential to kill is minimal to none. Any measures between where we are now, and the complete isolation described above, is little more than chasing a rainbow.

The problem is the vaccines take 3 weeks in a person's system before they are effective. The rollout has reached the clinically extremely vulnerable. They're being done this week and next I think. Then you have to wait at least 3 weeks after before they are protected.

[Rossfan]

Angela and the "Free Stater Haters" won't like this

https://m.independent.ie/business/irelands-was-the-only-eu-economy-to-grow-last-year-as-multinationals-rode-out-covid-40079090.html

[Angelo]

Angela and the "Free Stater Haters" won't like this

https://m.independent.ie/business/irelands-was-the-only-eu-economy-to-grow-last-year-as-multinationals-rode-out-covid-40079090.html

You don't seem to get it. MNCs get richer and richer while not barely paying any corporation tax.

Meanwhile your youth are burdened with national debt for decades, are being priced out of adequate health care and cannot afford to buy their own house.

The free state is rotten to the core.

[Angelo]

Would anyone like to tell me while at hell's gates in January, with hospitals at crisis point, Covid rampant and all the rest how we managed to have 179 deaths in Jan 2021 than we had in Jan 2018?

The lockdown extremists and the flu deniers will surely be scratching their head at that one. I can't see any outrage here in Jan and Feb 2018 about the number of lives lost and how we must or should have acted to save those lives. People shrugged their shoulders and accepted it.

The hypocrisy is off the charts. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

[general_lee]

Angelo, have you ever heard of married couples dying within days of each from the flu? Have you heard of regular gym-going men in their 50s, with no underlying health conditions, dying from the flu? Have you heard of people lying in hospital having fluid drained out of their lungs after a bout of flu?

[Redhand Santa]

Would anyone like to tell me while at hell's gates in January, with hospitals at crisis point, Covid rampant and all the rest how we managed to have 179 deaths in Jan 2021 than we had in Jan 2018?

The lockdown extremists and the flu deniers will surely be scratching their head at that one. I can't see any outrage here in Jan and Feb 2018 about the number of lives lost and how we must or should have acted to save those lives. People shrugged their shoulders and accepted it.

The hypocrisy is off the charts. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

You can never trust your facts as was shown on another thread.

I don't have the figures for January 18 but the NISRA stats show that the number of registered deaths year to date 5/2/2021 was 2,384 compared to an average for the previous 5 years of 1,888. That's a 26% increase. Which is massive when you take into account the fact that lockdown has been in place helping to at least slow the spread. Over 700 covid deaths registered in 2021 so far which explains the large increase before you try to blame it on other factors.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Angela and the "Free Stater Haters" won't like this

https://m.independent.ie/business/irelands-was-the-only-eu-economy-to-grow-last-year-as-multinationals-rode-out-covid-40079090.html

Slag off Angela all yis like and he deserves plenty im sure but at least hes not turning a pandemic into a north v south issue (ok maybe is i dunno i dont read half his shite)

Anyway my point is thus - Rossfan, youre a classless f*ck

[Rossfan]

Ah the oul foul language personal abuse when a fact is reported.
Class???

[Angelo]

Would anyone like to tell me while at hell's gates in January, with hospitals at crisis point, Covid rampant and all the rest how we managed to have 179 deaths in Jan 2021 than we had in Jan 2018?

The lockdown extremists and the flu deniers will surely be scratching their head at that one. I can't see any outrage here in Jan and Feb 2018 about the number of lives lost and how we must or should have acted to save those lives. People shrugged their shoulders and accepted it.

The hypocrisy is off the charts. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

You can never trust your facts as was shown on another thread.

I don't have the figures for January 18 but the NISRA stats show that the number of registered deaths year to date 5/2/2021 was 2,384 compared to an average for the previous 5 years of 1,888. That's a 26% increase. Which is massive when you take into account the fact that lockdown has been in place helping to at least slow the spread. Over 700 covid deaths registered in 2021 so far which explains the large increase before you try to blame it on other factors.

Here's NISRA figures.

2,101 deaths in Jan 2018.
1,922 deaths in Jan 2021

Should we take into account we had a flu jab in 2017/18 or just ignore that?

The vast, vast majority of people who get Covid neither need hopsitalisation or die.

Nobody is saying it's not serious but was the winter flu of 17/18 not serious and why did we not take action to save lives? I can't square off that hypocrisy.

[Angelo]

Ah the oul foul language personal abuse when a fact is reported.
Class???

You seem to run along when you don't like facts yourself.

Any comment to make on your beloved WHO having one of their top men potentially facing genocide charges?

[Redhand Santa]

Would anyone like to tell me while at hell's gates in January, with hospitals at crisis point, Covid rampant and all the rest how we managed to have 179 deaths in Jan 2021 than we had in Jan 2018?

The lockdown extremists and the flu deniers will surely be scratching their head at that one. I can't see any outrage here in Jan and Feb 2018 about the number of lives lost and how we must or should have acted to save those lives. People shrugged their shoulders and accepted it.

The hypocrisy is off the charts. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

You can never trust your facts as was shown on another thread.

I don't have the figures for January 18 but the NISRA stats show that the number of registered deaths year to date 5/2/2021 was 2,384 compared to an average for the previous 5 years of 1,888. That's a 26% increase. Which is massive when you take into account the fact that lockdown has been in place helping to at least slow the spread. Over 700 covid deaths registered in 2021 so far which explains the large increase before you try to blame it on other factors.

Here's NISRA figures.

2,101 deaths in Jan 2018.
1,922 deaths in Jan 2021

Should we take into account we had a flu jab in 2017/18 or just ignore that?

The vast, vast majority of people who get Covid neither need hopsitalisation or die.

Nobody is saying it's not serious but was the winter flu of 17/18 not serious and why did we not take action to save lives? I can't square off that hypocrisy.

Where are you seeing that? There weekly release only shows 2021 compared to the averages for the last 5 years. And what it says is 1922 deaths (up to 29/1/21) which compares to the 5 year average of 1,550. Even if you take the highest weekly death rate for each week over the 5 years (they might not all come from 2018) the total number for that is 1,810.

[Angelo]

Would anyone like to tell me while at hell's gates in January, with hospitals at crisis point, Covid rampant and all the rest how we managed to have 179 deaths in Jan 2021 than we had in Jan 2018?

The lockdown extremists and the flu deniers will surely be scratching their head at that one. I can't see any outrage here in Jan and Feb 2018 about the number of lives lost and how we must or should have acted to save those lives. People shrugged their shoulders and accepted it.

The hypocrisy is off the charts. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

You can never trust your facts as was shown on another thread.

I don't have the figures for January 18 but the NISRA stats show that the number of registered deaths year to date 5/2/2021 was 2,384 compared to an average for the previous 5 years of 1,888. That's a 26% increase. Which is massive when you take into account the fact that lockdown has been in place helping to at least slow the spread. Over 700 covid deaths registered in 2021 so far which explains the large increase before you try to blame it on other factors.

Here's NISRA figures.

2,101 deaths in Jan 2018.
1,922 deaths in Jan 2021

Should we take into account we had a flu jab in 2017/18 or just ignore that?

The vast, vast majority of people who get Covid neither need hopsitalisation or die.

Nobody is saying it's not serious but was the winter flu of 17/18 not serious and why did we not take action to save lives? I can't square off that hypocrisy.

Where are you seeing that? There weekly release only shows 2021 compared to the averages for the last 5 years. And what it says is 1922 deaths (up to 29/1/21) which compares to the 5 year average of 1,550. Even if you take the highest weekly death rate for each week over the 5 years (they might not all come from 2018) the total number for that is 1,810.

Sorry.

Thought I attached the link in the last post

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/MonthlyDeaths.xls

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Ah the oul foul language personal abuse when a fact is reported.
Class???

Report away. No shiny shites given here. Why you turnin a pandemic into a north south thing

[Redhand Santa]

Would anyone like to tell me while at hell's gates in January, with hospitals at crisis point, Covid rampant and all the rest how we managed to have 179 deaths in Jan 2021 than we had in Jan 2018?

The lockdown extremists and the flu deniers will surely be scratching their head at that one. I can't see any outrage here in Jan and Feb 2018 about the number of lives lost and how we must or should have acted to save those lives. People shrugged their shoulders and accepted it.

The hypocrisy is off the charts. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

You can never trust your facts as was shown on another thread.

I don't have the figures for January 18 but the NISRA stats show that the number of registered deaths year to date 5/2/2021 was 2,384 compared to an average for the previous 5 years of 1,888. That's a 26% increase. Which is massive when you take into account the fact that lockdown has been in place helping to at least slow the spread. Over 700 covid deaths registered in 2021 so far which explains the large increase before you try to blame it on other factors.

Here's NISRA figures.

2,101 deaths in Jan 2018.
1,922 deaths in Jan 2021

Should we take into account we had a flu jab in 2017/18 or just ignore that?

The vast, vast majority of people who get Covid neither need hopsitalisation or die.

Nobody is saying it's not serious but was the winter flu of 17/18 not serious and why did we not take action to save lives? I can't square off that hypocrisy.

Where are you seeing that? There weekly release only shows 2021 compared to the averages for the last 5 years. And what it says is 1922 deaths (up to 29/1/21) which compares to the 5 year average of 1,550. Even if you take the highest weekly death rate for each week over the 5 years (they might not all come from 2018) the total number for that is 1,810.

Sorry.

Thought I attached the link in the last post

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/MonthlyDeaths.xls

I think there is a timing issue in terms of weeks brought in when you look at that table. They have a lot of other tables showing a week by week comparison of the last 5 years (including maximum deaths each week) which clearly show there has been more deaths in January 2021 compared to 2018. And that is only one month, as pointed out to you before covid is relentess and is causing excess deaths month after month after month.