China Coronavirus

[imtommygunn]

The stupid things people argue about...

[sid waddell]

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1345695150165663745

Sir John Bell, Regius Professor of Medicine at
@UniofOxford
says the South African variant of coronavirus is more worrying than the Kent one "by some margin". He added a different vaccine could probably be made in 4-6 weeks if needed.

[Rossfan]

Calling him a "dick" for stating a fact  is still very much out of order.

Explain why you need to bring in the relevance of the north has x cases that would relate to x cases in the south.... every time!! Very bizarre or maybe you think we couldn't work that out.

Is it because the north's government has fucked up along with the rest of the uk in terms of Covid lockdowns and we need to hear how good the South is? Does this make you feel better?

Hear are some simple facts going forward, the muppets on the hill have made a pigs ear out of this, the public have made a pigs ear out of it also. You reminding the board on the daily stats of the difference means what?

Do you get out the wrong side of the bed every fkn morning?

[sid waddell]

You'd weep listening to the Brendan O'Connor radio show

The programme invites Mr. Professional Right-Wing Reaction Bait Guy on to generate reaction

Mr. Professional Right-Wing Reaction Bait Guy compares Covid to riding a motorbike

He utters intelligence-insulting, reality-inverting inanities about how letting Covid rip would actually be societal solidarity

Reaction is generated

Mr. Professional Right-Wing Reaction Bait Guy then claims he's being victimised by replies to him on Twitter

The never ending circle of right-wing grift continues

[LCohen]

Sounds like covid is an STD the amount of dicks and bollocks being sounded about.

Whenever you claim to have answered questions and provided evidence is it posts like these that you are referring to?

The people around you must be so proud

[Cunny Funt]

4,962 confirmed cases for ROI today, not that much of surprise with a big backlog that needed to be added in.

The weekly numbers

Cases 15759 ( 9137 more cases than last week)
Reported deaths 57 (11 more than last week)

In hospital 685 ( 361 more than last week)
In ICU 62 (36 more than a week ago)

Grim reading, hopefully by next Sunday the figures will at least stabilise.

[Seaney]

Calling him a "dick" for stating a fact  is still very much out of order.

It's all he has, sums him up.

[Seaney]

Sounds like covid is an STD the amount of dicks and bollocks being sounded about.

Whenever you claim to have answered questions and provided evidence is it posts like these that you are referring to?

The people around you must be so proud

They are, you defending your number one fan, you being so much more intelligent than the rest of us.

[Angelo]

We are not going to know the full impact of this until it's all over.

That may be a year or two down the line.

My concern focuses on whether lockdown and particularly rolling lockdowns where you are dipping in and out of (telling businesses to shut and open and shut and open are going to cause serious long term damage to the economy and employment - high unemployment has seriously negative societal and wellbeing factors).

There's a lot of people very entrenched with their head in the sand. Cases are through the roof at the minute, deaths are rising but we do know the main demograph it's impacting, we do know the median age of death is above the median life expectancy, we do know the 90%+ proportion that already have existing underlying healthcare problems, we do know that deaths due to Covid are overstated. There's no doubt on any of the previous factors, they are widely accepted by every department that handles this. So is it a case that the measures we take are to save people months of their lives - already probably crippled with underlying health issues?

And how do we then balance that out with the serious consequences of lockdown on the economy, people's employment prospects, the ability of people to provide for our families, the mental health of people, those who are vulnerable, in abusive relationships, addiction problems, people with disabilities and need constant care and support services, the education and social development of children, the impact it has on people who are alone and isolated.

I'd be extremely worried about the covid tunnel vision governments around the world are obsessed with.

We seem to have thrown all our eggs into this vaccine basket, we know nothing about it yet.

[thebigfella]

We are not going to know the full impact of this until it's all over.

That may be a year or two down the line.

My concern focuses on whether lockdown and particularly rolling lockdowns where you are dipping in and out of (telling businesses to shut and open and shut and open are going to cause serious long term damage to the economy and employment - high unemployment has seriously negative societal and wellbeing factors).

There's a lot of people very entrenched with their head in the sand. Cases are through the roof at the minute, deaths are rising but we do know the main demograph it's impacting, we do know the median age of death is above the median life expectancy, we do know the 90%+ proportion that already have existing underlying healthcare problems, we do know that deaths due to Covid are overstated. There's no doubt on any of the previous factors, they are widely accepted by every department that handles this. So is it a case that the measures we take are to save people months of their lives - already probably crippled with underlying health issues?

And how do we then balance that out with the serious consequences of lockdown on the economy, people's employment prospects, the ability of people to provide for our families, the mental health of people, those who are vulnerable, in abusive relationships, addiction problems, people with disabilities and need constant care and support services, the education and social development of children, the impact it has on people who are alone and isolated.

I'd be extremely worried about the covid tunnel vision governments around the world are obsessed with.

We seem to have thrown all our eggs into this vaccine basket, we know nothing about it yet.

As opposed to what other basket?

[Taylor]

The UK (and Ireland) have completely fucked things up.

Just look at the pictures from New Year celebrations around the world - to see how an island could have handled a pandemic

[Angelo]

We are not going to know the full impact of this until it's all over.

That may be a year or two down the line.

My concern focuses on whether lockdown and particularly rolling lockdowns where you are dipping in and out of (telling businesses to shut and open and shut and open are going to cause serious long term damage to the economy and employment - high unemployment has seriously negative societal and wellbeing factors).

There's a lot of people very entrenched with their head in the sand. Cases are through the roof at the minute, deaths are rising but we do know the main demograph it's impacting, we do know the median age of death is above the median life expectancy, we do know the 90%+ proportion that already have existing underlying healthcare problems, we do know that deaths due to Covid are overstated. There's no doubt on any of the previous factors, they are widely accepted by every department that handles this. So is it a case that the measures we take are to save people months of their lives - already probably crippled with underlying health issues?

And how do we then balance that out with the serious consequences of lockdown on the economy, people's employment prospects, the ability of people to provide for our families, the mental health of people, those who are vulnerable, in abusive relationships, addiction problems, people with disabilities and need constant care and support services, the education and social development of children, the impact it has on people who are alone and isolated.

I'd be extremely worried about the covid tunnel vision governments around the world are obsessed with.

We seem to have thrown all our eggs into this vaccine basket, we know nothing about it yet.

As opposed to what other basket?

Living with the virus. Reasonable restrictive measures which we had in the summer months until such time as the virus has ran its course.

What I'd like to see in the next few months is among all the panic and hysteria at present - what the excess deaths are like in comparison to a sever winter flu season that we have accepted without a bone of contention every single year.

Have we lost the run of ourselves over a 10% rise in deaths, 90% who already had serious underlying health conditions?

We have to be realistic and practical about this. There is a point when the cure causes more destruction and chaos than the problem and there's a lot of people too entrenched to even countenance this.

[imtommygunn]

There are very few places in the world haven't f**ked it up it seems. The problem then becomes what do they do with borders etc when everyone else is so bad. Any opening will have the potential to bring it right back in.

My boss in work said to me early on(when some would have considered this propagandist nonsense) that she thought the only way out was a vaccine. It is our only way out.

Lockdowns clearly aren't good. The biggest thing for me is that the rolling nature of them will have crippled businesses and that is where mistakes have been made. It would honestly have not been as bad for a lot of businesses to just have stayed shut the whole time. I don't know how lockdowns in general could have been avoided.

Opening up for christmas was basically insanity. It's going to be a horrendous month

[Angelo]

The UK (and Ireland) have completely fucked things up.

Just look at the pictures from New Year celebrations around the world - to see how an island could have handled a pandemic

The Free State was giving itself a pat on the back not so long ago for best in Europe.

It's all panic and hysteria at the minute though.

Loads of cases but let's see how it compares to a bad winter flu season in terms of excess deaths.

Has any country had death rates per cases in line with the so called first wave?

What do we know about immunity from the science community yet? I'd say it's a fair guess that up to 10-15%+ of the O6 could have had this so far?

[Tubberman]

We are not going to know the full impact of this until it's all over.

That may be a year or two down the line.

My concern focuses on whether lockdown and particularly rolling lockdowns where you are dipping in and out of (telling businesses to shut and open and shut and open are going to cause serious long term damage to the economy and employment - high unemployment has seriously negative societal and wellbeing factors).

There's a lot of people very entrenched with their head in the sand. Cases are through the roof at the minute, deaths are rising but we do know the main demograph it's impacting, we do know the median age of death is above the median life expectancy, we do know the 90%+ proportion that already have existing underlying healthcare problems, we do know that deaths due to Covid are overstated. There's no doubt on any of the previous factors, they are widely accepted by every department that handles this. So is it a case that the measures we take are to save people months of their lives - already probably crippled with underlying health issues?

And how do we then balance that out with the serious consequences of lockdown on the economy, people's employment prospects, the ability of people to provide for our families, the mental health of people, those who are vulnerable, in abusive relationships, addiction problems, people with disabilities and need constant care and support services, the education and social development of children, the impact it has on people who are alone and isolated.

I'd be extremely worried about the covid tunnel vision governments around the world are obsessed with.

We seem to have thrown all our eggs into this vaccine basket, we know nothing about it yet.

As opposed to what other basket?

Living with the virus. Reasonable restrictive measures which we had in the summer months until such time as the virus has ran its course.

What I'd like to see in the next few months is among all the panic and hysteria at present - what the excess deaths are like in comparison to a sever winter flu season that we have accepted without a bone of contention every single year.

Have we lost the run of ourselves over a 10% rise in deaths, 90% who already had serious underlying health conditions?

We have to be realistic and practical about this. There is a point when the cure causes more destruction and chaos than the problem and there's a lot of people too entrenched to even countenance this.

Until it's run it's course!? You mean heard immunity then? Do you know how long that would take with restrictions in place?
I'll give you a clue - many, many years.