China Coronavirus

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trailer

Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
I know schools in reality won't be going back until September. I think that is wrong and can see no logical reason for it.
Because the benefit of 10 random days at school before 2 months off doesn't outweigh the risk of people contracting Covid-19.

That's my logical reason but you are entitled to your own.

Honestly Hardstation, I've been at home minding 2 kids, one at primary school one not school age, since the 16th March. My wife is a nurse and is working. I am at home trying to keep a small business a float paying wages to keep roofs over other families heads who all have small children. We've lost around 90% of turnover and I am into my own personal savings and then probably I'll take out a huge loan and god knows if I will be able to pay it back. It's a huge strain on my mental health.
Now forgive me, but I think that even if the schools open for one day it would be a huge lift to parents around the country and would signal that normality would return someday because at this stage parents who own businesses or are employees are looking for any sort of positive sign right now.
We're all in this together but the reality is we're not and the situation favours some families over others. Maybe Teachers will take this into consideration.
You expect teachers and kids to put themselves at risk of the disease for the token gesture of giving parents hope that one day things will get back to normal? I am genuinely sorry to hear of your circumstances but I still think your request is unreasonable.

But you expect it of others?

trailer

Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
I expect what?

I do not expect anyone to put themselves at risk in order to give token gestures of hope that things will get back to normal.

Cool we're all in this together.

And the risk is minuscule.

APM

Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
I expect what?

I do not expect anyone to put themselves at risk in order to give token gestures of hope that things will get back to normal.

Cool we're all in this together.

And the risk is minuscule.

Are you an expert on this?
The one thing that has been a constant on this, is that there are all manner of lay-people offering up their "expertise" on something that even the experts don't understand fully. 

Out of interest:
Do you have children?
Do you have elderly parents?
Do you have an underlying illness or health condition that would put you at risk?



RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: APM on May 19, 2020, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
I expect what?

I do not expect anyone to put themselves at risk in order to give token gestures of hope that things will get back to normal.

Cool we're all in this together.

And the risk is minuscule.

Are you an expert on this?

No, but he's read books on it for 24hrs.

[Not sure who wrote the books though - as apparently the scientists and experts don't know what they are doing]
i usse an speelchekor

screenexile

Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2020, 09:17:19 AM
I think it was the assistant chief medical officer over here who stated yesterday it looks like that kids aren't passing the disease on like adults although they've no hard evidence of that yet.

According to a report on LBC yesterday that there hasn't been a case in Denmark or Germany of a teacher catching it when back teaching.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/70-cases-of-covid-19-linked-to-french-schools-days-after-reopening-1000165.html?fbclid=IwAR0jqHvFa1snKPTLYnwuktOry_i4HccBvTOXEA5dn2y1xH1etIt-BnUHvGA

trailer

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 19, 2020, 12:03:56 PM
Quote from: APM on May 19, 2020, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
I expect what?

I do not expect anyone to put themselves at risk in order to give token gestures of hope that things will get back to normal.

Cool we're all in this together.

And the risk is minuscule.

Are you an expert on this?

No, but he's read books on it for 24hrs.

[Not sure who wrote the books though - as apparently the scientists and experts don't know what they are doing]

You're such a tit. You keep saying this, yet I never said it. I see you're a man for detail.

tbrick18

Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
I know schools in reality won't be going back until September. I think that is wrong and can see no logical reason for it.
Because the benefit of 10 random days at school before 2 months off doesn't outweigh the risk of people contracting Covid-19.

That's my logical reason but you are entitled to your own.

Honestly Hardstation, I've been at home minding 2 kids, one at primary school one not school age, since the 16th March. My wife is a nurse and is working. I am at home trying to keep a small business a float paying wages to keep roofs over other families heads who all have small children. We've lost around 90% of turnover and I am into my own personal savings and then probably I'll take out a huge loan and god knows if I will be able to pay it back. It's a huge strain on my mental health.
Now forgive me, but I think that even if the schools open for one day it would be a huge lift to parents around the country and would signal that normality would return someday because at this stage parents who own businesses or are employees are looking for any sort of positive sign right now.
We're all in this together but the reality is we're not and the situation favours some families over others. Maybe Teachers will take this into consideration.
You expect teachers and kids to put themselves at risk of the disease for the token gesture of giving parents hope that one day things will get back to normal? I am genuinely sorry to hear of your circumstances but I still think your request is unreasonable.

Yeah I have to agree with this.
Lots of people are struggling and lots of people will lose jobs and companies and that is going to be really difficult and life changing for those affected.
But Teachers have families too. Kids may not be getting sick in the same numbers as older people, but some do get sick. What if your child was one of them?
What if your child was a carrier and was asymptomatic but infected a class full of other kids, one of which dies as a result. How would that death affect the mental health of other children in the class? Or the teachers who might bring it home to their kids or extended family?
My wife is a P1 teacher, and with kids that age in a school setting it will be impossible to keep them socially distanced. They just want to play. How does one teacher keep perhaps a dozen kids from coming into close personal contact? It's just not practically possible.
My own opinion is that all schools should stay off for a full year. Return around the same time next year that they were closed this year providing that the disease has be controlled. Then just start them back where they left off. P1 is still P1, university students, secondary students everyone back to were they were. A brutal blunt method, but it would keep everyone safe over that period and simplify all the issues around exams, transfers to new schools for p7s etc.

There's a real danger here that schools are being made scapegoats for the failings of a governemnt. Had they acted appropriated in the first instance with testing and tracing, perhaps we could be like South Korea, or New Zealand. But they didnt and we're not and now we're being told to take risks with our kids to get the money flowing again.
I'm sorry, but I wouldn't risk my kids for any money and I wouldn't expect a teacher to put themselves or their extended families at risk either. I'd rather survive and be poor than die with money in my pocket.

I've 6 kids at home, both my parents are shielding due to underlying health problems, my mother in law too. We are both working from home, balancing home schooling and work is not a trivial thing.
The only way out of this, if there is a way out, is not to rush back or we will suffer more for longer. The virus can wait us out and holds all the cards. We have to decide what's most important, getting back to "normal" or surviving.

trailer

Quote from: APM on May 19, 2020, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
I expect what?

I do not expect anyone to put themselves at risk in order to give token gestures of hope that things will get back to normal.

Cool we're all in this together.

And the risk is minuscule.

Are you an expert on this?
The one thing that has been a constant on this, is that there are all manner of lay-people offering up their "expertise" on something that even the experts don't understand fully. 

Out of interest:
Do you have children? Yes
Do you have elderly parents? Yes
Do you have an underlying illness or health condition that would put you at risk? No

Here boss, in case you haven't noticed it's a discussion board. People give opinions.

If the figures are to be believed and I see no reason not to at least trust the percentages, even if the totals aren't 100% accurate, this is a disease of the over 70s.

tbrick18

Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 10:28:10 AM
Sure don't send kids back until there's a vaccine and make redundant all these teachers. They're not needed..... A vaccine is at best 1 year away.

The fact remains this is a disease of the over 70s. Shield the vulnerable, take proper precautions but get back to some sense of normality.

Absolute nonsense.
I have personal links to people infected. 2 in their 70s (one of which died). 2 in their 50s, one requiring hospital care. 1 in their 40s required a ventilator.
I have a friend working in a covid ward....the majority are over 50 but there are many under 50s.
The new normal is not going to be anything like the old normal and I really fear for what the future looks like if a vaccine is not possible.

Smurfy123

I would say by the time September is here SD will be 1 metre 1.5 max. So instead of your 8 in a classroom that will become 16. Makes sense
Let's get planning now for it. And if teachers refuse then cut the wages until a vaccine is found. I wonder how many principals would find a way if they were told all wages will stop

tbrick18

Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2020, 12:30:30 PM
I would say by the time September is here SD will be 1 metre 1.5 max. So instead of your 8 in a classroom that will become 16. Makes sense
Let's get planning now for it. And if teachers refuse then cut the wages until a vaccine is found. I wonder how many principals would find a way if they were told all wages will stop

Ok, so how would 1 teacher in a classroom of 16 4-year olds stop them all from getting within 1.5m of each other? On a practical level, how would they do it?
Where did you get this 1 metre 1.5 max from by the way? WHO change their advice on how close you can be before you get infected?
Principals wont have the deciding say on this, unions will. Principals have a duty of care to the children AND staff and any employer has to make sure that the workplace is safe for employees. Not possible in a school setting IMO.
As for cutting teachers wages, teachers are still working. They are contracted by the dept of education and protected by unions. A cut in wages would require a change in legislation and this would trigger the unions to call for general strike. No teachers, not teaching of any sort.

tintin25

How much of a factor is obesity in the number of deaths and people taking ill?

Seen the video of the queues looking to get into the KFC on the Boucher Road last week - unreal.


RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
You're such a tit. You keep saying this, yet I never said it. I see you're a man for detail.

Oh did you not?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29555.msg1970198#msg1970198

QuoteI could study "the science" for 24 hours and I'd be better placed to make decisions on what to do rather than these clowns.

Unless I've erred in assuming that studying the science would mean reading literature on the subject.

Perhaps you meant read facebook for 24 hrs instead?
i usse an speelchekor

Rossfan

Quote from: screenexile on May 19, 2020, 12:10:34 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2020, 09:17:19 AM
I think it was the assistant chief medical officer over here who stated yesterday it looks like that kids aren't passing the disease on like adults although they've no hard evidence of that yet.

According to a report on LBC yesterday that there hasn't been a case in Denmark or Germany of a teacher catching it when back teaching.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/70-cases-of-covid-19-linked-to-french-schools-days-after-reopening-1000165.html?fbclid=IwAR0jqHvFa1snKPTLYnwuktOry_i4HccBvTOXEA5dn2y1xH1etIt-BnUHvGA

I notice Trailer has no comment on this.
I wonder why???
Schools in 26 closed till at least 1st September.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

trailer

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 19, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 19, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
You're such a tit. You keep saying this, yet I never said it. I see you're a man for detail.

Oh did you not?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=29555.msg1970198#msg1970198

QuoteI could study "the science" for 24 hours and I'd be better placed to make decisions on what to do rather than these clowns.

Unless I've erred in assuming that studying the science would mean reading literature on the subject.

Perhaps you meant read facebook for 24 hrs instead?

Good man - now go back and read what you said I said.