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Whatever about his many other faults, Varadkar did well on Brexit and Brian Feeney (not typically a fan of Leo) got it right in his Irish News column. There was no votes really in the 26 for that and many don't realise the consequences if the Unionists and Tories got their way. He is of course well hated by most Unionists and British right for the part he played in essentially keeping North in the Single Market. The North not in the SM would have been disastrous for the island in many ways, particularly the agri-food sector.

He still got a ban. There's intentional stamps from the more illustrious counties that went unpunished nor had the same kind of media pile on. Perhaps a few more retroactive bans are in order.

Dominic Behan of course was not too happy with Dylan for using the melody of The Patriot Game for With God on Our Side. I think Dylan heard The Clancy brothers singing it in The White Horse Tavern in New York City and thought it was a traditional air. Dylan was a big fan of The Clancy Brothers and described Liam (RIP) as the best folk singer in the world.

Mr. Tambourine Man
Chimes of Freedom
Positively 4th Street

Kate appears to have done more chopping off of arms and hands than King Henry VIII did to heads of his wives.

Galway v Dublin - Dublin
Tyrone v Monaghan - Tyrone
Roscommon v Kerry - Roscommon
Mayo v Derry - Mayo

Armagh v Cavan - Armagh
Kildare v Donegal - Donegal
Meath v Cork - Cork
Louth v Fermanagh - Louth

Wicklow v Limerick - Wicklow
Clare v Antrim - Clare
Sligo v Offaly - Sligo
Westmeath v Down - Down

London v Waterford - London
Laois v Leitrim - Laois
Tipperary v Wexford - Draw
Longford v Carlow - Longford

Strong finish by the French. They have that bit of class that makes rugby fun to watch.

You'd have thought removing these two backward Eamon DeValera clause in the Irish constitution (family is founded on marriage, a woman's duty is in the home) would have been an easy win for the Irish government. Had the vote been held between 1993-2008, it would have easily passed. The mood has now shifted and it's not unlike Brexit or Trump's America where the people want a fantasy country back from the forces of liberal elite, media, WEF, EU, immigrants, whatever you're having yourself. Watch Brexiters in UK, Unionists, right wingers, Catholic Church cheer this result.

The wordings were very weak. They ignored the Citizens Assembly . There was no pre legislative scrutiny in the Dail. The Government will now have to look seriously into disability respite and funding. It was a good day for democracy.

The family one was clear: "The State recognises the Family, whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships" instead of "The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded."

That is some kick in the teeth to an unmarried mother who has worked hard all her life to raise her children. Even if wording was weak, it was still better than what we kept.

Define "durable relationships"

Define "Family"?

For most, any mother and child in a lasting relationship is a family. But in context of Irish constitution, it's a married mother and child. You know we once sent the unmarried mothers to homes, sold their babies, to keep up this fiction.

And so this attacking the "durable relationships" to mean Mohammed bringing in his 10 wives to Ireland when in real world over 40% of Irish children are born out of wedlock was shitty. And Irish people pleading ignorance - sure that could he Mohammed and his ten wives or the live in girlfriend claiming the farm.

Meaning is context dependent. In context of Irish constitution, it was clear what durable relationships meant.

You'd have thought removing these two backward Eamon DeValera clause in the Irish constitution (family is founded on marriage, a woman's duty is in the home) would have been an easy win for the Irish government. Had the vote been held between 1993-2008, it would have easily passed. The mood has now shifted and it's not unlike Brexit or Trump's America where the people want a fantasy country back from the forces of liberal elite, media, WEF, EU, immigrants, whatever you're having yourself. Watch Brexiters in UK, Unionists, right wingers, Catholic Church cheer this result.

The wordings were very weak. They ignored the Citizens Assembly . There was no pre legislative scrutiny in the Dail. The Government will now have to look seriously into disability respite and funding. It was a good day for democracy.

The family one was clear: "The State recognises the Family, whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships" instead of "The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded."

That is some kick in the teeth to an unmarried mother who has worked hard all her life to raise her children. Even if wording was weak, it was still better than what we kept.

You'd have thought removing these two backward Eamon DeValera clause in the Irish constitution (family is founded on marriage, a woman's duty is in the home) would have been an easy win for the Irish government. Had the vote been held between 1993-2008, it would have easily passed. The mood has now shifted and it's not unlike Brexit or Trump's America where the people want a fantasy country back from the forces of liberal elite, media, WEF, EU, immigrants, whatever you're having yourself. Watch Brexiters in UK, Unionists, right wingers, Catholic Church cheer this result.

This is where you have it wrong - Brexit and Trump was a vote for change.

This was a vote for holding onto what we have.

Have I? Brexit and Trump was change by people who were nostalgic for a different era (less diversity, etc). This was holding on to older, out of date values, too. More similar than you might think.

That was class. Sometimes I wonder is it really that Ireland are better or just that everyone else is worse. But delighted for Italy.

You'd have thought removing these two backward Eamon DeValera clause in the Irish constitution (family is founded on marriage, a woman's duty is in the home) would have been an easy win for the Irish government. Had the vote been held between 1993-2008, it would have easily passed. The mood has now shifted and it's not unlike Brexit or Trump's America where the people want a fantasy country back from the forces of liberal elite, media, WEF, EU, immigrants, whatever you're having yourself. Watch Brexiters in UK, Unionists, right wingers, Catholic Church cheer this result.

There was an article in the Irish Times recently where Eamonnn Mallie said that Emma Pengelly was more cross-culturally aware than people realise. He said he had created a poetry reading group during COVID and when she was asked to recite, she chose a poem by Eiléan Ní Chuilleanáin. I think Givan was by DUP standards on the more liberal side and left the Free Presbyterian church when they criticised him for attending an ecumenical service. But it's still the party of extremists, a good few of them now sitting in the home for the bewildered called the House of Lords.

Back to the title of the thread....we're as good as relegated, losers of Monaghan v Tyrone likely to join us.
2 of Derry, Dublin, Kerry to make the Final.

We seem to be a total mess in many ways this year and a totally abject 2nd half last Saturday doesn't inspire confidence.
Maybe we have a cunning plan.....

Roscommon reverting to the mean again.

Personally I'd prefer to have teams with realistic chance of winning an All Ireland in Division 1.

Donegal, Armagh and even Cork if they ever get their act together will be great additions to Division 1.

Sure I know ye miss us down there but on the optimistic side, we still have a shout of staying in Division 1 despite the major players who were unable to commit for 2024 (Murtagh, Daly, McKeon), and the injuries to some of our more promising young players (O'Carroll, Heneghan, Doyle). Not to mention good goals disallowed. I think we'll start to hit better form for our final two games with the goal of being ready for Mayo in the Hyde in April. Early days yet. No need to panic. There's never 8 teams in contention for Sam. There may not even be 2.

Since you did the beatles maybe it's time for The Rolling Stones?

That's a great choice

Sittin' on a Fence
Out of Time
It's All Over Now