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johnnycool

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Quote from: marty34 on February 04, 2021, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 04, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Mark Carruthers wiped the floor with Arlene tonight.

Yeah, he caught her well with the high percentages in the maunfacturing companies' survey.

He nailed her on the most important point - it's all about the constitutional issue and f*%k all to do with trade and business etc.

Watched it there now and he set her up like a good one and she was too dumb to see it and hoisted her on her own petard..

She's poor at this stuff when the interviewer knows their stuff.

Wonder will Carruthers get threatened like William Crawley for not following the loyalist narrative...

Estimator

Quote from: johnnycool on February 05, 2021, 10:01:41 AM
Quote from: marty34 on February 04, 2021, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 04, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Mark Carruthers wiped the floor with Arlene tonight.

Yeah, he caught her well with the high percentages in the maunfacturing companies' survey.

He nailed her on the most important point - it's all about the constitutional issue and f*%k all to do with trade and business etc.

Watched it there now and he set her up like a good one and she was too dumb to see it and hoisted her on her own petard..

She's poor at this stuff when the interviewer knows their stuff.

Wonder will Carruthers get threatened like William Crawley for not following the loyalist narrative...

Yeah, I see Bryson routinely having a go at Crawley, usual repetitive name-calling and attacking talk back.

Responding to a Bryson tweet, some lad brings up Crawley's family/background, to which Crawley calls out Bryson on how his constant attacks on him/TalkBack, leads to these sort of veiled threats. Of course Bryson denies this is the case, stating
"I criticised your activities as a publicly funded presenter"
Ulster League Champions 2009

mackers

Quote from: johnnycool on February 05, 2021, 10:01:41 AM
Quote from: marty34 on February 04, 2021, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 04, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Mark Carruthers wiped the floor with Arlene tonight.

Yeah, he caught her well with the high percentages in the maunfacturing companies' survey.

He nailed her on the most important point - it's all about the constitutional issue and f*%k all to do with trade and business etc.

Watched it there now and he set her up like a good one and she was too dumb to see it and hoisted her on her own petard..

She's poor at this stuff when the interviewer knows their stuff.

Wonder will Carruthers get threatened like William Crawley for not following the loyalist narrative...
We called the lack of questioning of the DUP on the airwaves out a few pages back johnny but in fairness Carruthers did a great job.  He is the best interviewer out there and I rarely miss him.  He nails all of the politicians in fairness.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

marty34

How is Jim 'my community' on Nolan every day.

Like a few people on here, he's very angry.

seafoid

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dynamics-have-changed-says-dups-foster-on-ni-protocol-benefits-remarks-40055520.html

Tony Blair's former chief of staff Jonathan Powell said the blame of the protocol should be laid at the feet of Boris Johnson and Brexit.

He added that the DUP have paid a high price for putting their faith into the Prime Minister.
"They didn't see the danger for themselves that Boris Johnson might ditch what they wanted and opt for a completely different approach at the last minute in the Brexit negotiations," he told BBC Radio Ulster's Stephen Nolan Show.
"They are not the first group of people that Boris Johnson has left at the altar and they won't be the last but they have paid a very high price for it."

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

grounded

Quote from: Hereiam on February 04, 2021, 11:35:30 PM
He should have threw in the curve ball question when the GFA was being talked about...."Arlene do you support the good Friday agreement...yes or no. Boom she would have choked.

It really is a perfect shitstorm for the DUP.  All of their own doing. They voted against Theresa May when they held the balance of power, throwing their lot in with Boris and the hard brexiteers who promptly shafted them. The ordinary voter living in England couldn't give two shites about unionism.
        They've engineered this current crisis in ordere to renegotiate the entire brexit agreement! Wtf planet are they living on?
         They've gone back to their usual stance of Irish interference in Northern Ireland and how that led to the current position, in order to appeal to their hardline supporters after the latest drop in polls.
          There is a new US president who has stated  openly that their must be no return to a hard border in Ireland or could affect trade between UK and US.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/joe-biden-brexit-good-friday-agreement-trade-deal-b457753.html%3famp
    The very real possibility of an independent Scotland (aligned to the EU) when a referendum is called.
     The change in demographics in NI and the call for a border poll here.
        Surely any Unionist politician with half a brain can see the position they are in?
     


Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

general_lee

They just revert to type, heads in the sand and blame everyone else, not before getting the loyalists all riled up first. It's actually great to see, knowing all this bluster will amount to nothing.


johnnycool

Quote from: general_lee on February 05, 2021, 02:43:33 PM
They just revert to type, heads in the sand and blame everyone else, not before getting the loyalists all riled up first. It's actually great to see, knowing all this bluster will amount to nothing.

Curry my yoghurt Campbell and the DUP looking for a bogey man to blame and currently its Coveney, the Irish Gov and the "pro NI Protocol" parties in the North, in particular the Alliance who they obviously fear most in taking votes from them..

Ian Óg grovelling to Boris the other day would embarrass most people but not Ian.


imtommygunn

Same as those flag protests they are trying to stitch up alliance. Some of those alliance councillors will end up seriously hurt or worse some of these days with the stirring the DUP are doing.

tbrick18

Quote from: balladmaker on February 05, 2021, 01:30:44 AM
Arlene was destroyed on The View tonight, and great to see it.  She hadn't a leg to stand on when Carruthers exposed her and the DUP for what it's all about ... feck the businesses and livelihoods, it's all about the constitution and them remaining ultra-British.  They really are pathetic.

Yeah she really was against the wall.
The face kept getting redder and the breathing heavier. She was livid but did well not to let rip.
Arlene and the DUP are a joke.
The people who vote for them are more of a joke.

seafoid

This is from 2019 at the time of the deal

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/21/tories-must-unite-stop-labours-plot-wreck-boris-johnsons-brexit/
For the DUP, the separate treatment of Northern Ireland is unacceptable. Yet when Theresa May went to the extreme length of keeping the whole of the UK in a closer arrangement with the EU to save them from this outcome, they were emphatically against that as well. They are also against leaving without a deal. Did it not occur to them when they campaigned for Brexit that it would be very likely to entail one of the three outcomes they are now against?


"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

All they saw was border fences and checkpoints and customs posts etc and the end of the GFA.
Totally ignored the 57% vote to stay in the EU and ignored the fact that they're not 60% of the population any more.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

yellowcard

Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on February 05, 2021, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on February 04, 2021, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 04, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Mark Carruthers wiped the floor with Arlene tonight.

Yeah, he caught her well with the high percentages in the maunfacturing companies' survey.

He nailed her on the most important point - it's all about the constitutional issue and f*%k all to do with trade and business etc.

The simple fact of the matter is the DUP wanted the biggest Trump style wall they could get between the North and the South.
Brexit was going to be the thing to put those pesky Fenians back in their box and they could revel in the glory days again of lording it over them. They put the house on Brexit delivering that and it has backfired in predictable fashion.

I'm not even sure that is actually true. Don't get me wrong, many of them would love nothing better than for such a situation to materialise but any of them with an ounce of strategic vision could not deny the fact that demographics are gradually eroding the unionist majority. They can no longer lord it over nationalists in the way they have done in the past and calling for a hard border on the island, while privately desirable to many of them, would simply have created a clamour for a border poll.

The reality is that they never really expected Brexit to actually win and therefore there was no real debate or consideration given to the outworjkings of it. It was all about playing the Superbrits to impress the 'mainlanders'. Just another attempt to prove their loyalty to the crown and to an audience who care little for them. I think Simon Hamilton was the only DUP member who expressed reservations about campaigning for Brexit and he was quickly shuffled aside, he must have a wry smile at how events have unfolded since.

The reality is that any hint of a concession to nationalists or perceived dilution of their Britishness and the Orange Order and Loyalist paramilitaries are wheeled out as a shield. We've seen it with the Irish language act, with the loyalist meetings and smear campaign against Finucane during the last Westminster election and now with the Brexit Sea Border. The Orange Order and the Loyalists are the tail wagging the DUP dog.