if you could rename your club

[seafoid]

Athenry De Wets were hurling during the Boer War.
Turloughmore could be called the Wets.

[BennyCake]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

[whitey]

Big GAA club out in Chicago-McBrides

Guy fought against the Brits in the Boer War and was directly involved in the subjugation of the native populations and the establishment of Apartheid

Got to go

[BennyCake]

Big GAA club out in Chicago-McBrides

Guy fought against the Brits in the Boer War and was directly involved in the subjugation of the native populations and the establishment of Apartheid

Got to go

Rather appropriate that someone called whitey posted this 

[Dreadnought]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

[Armagh18]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

[Dreadnought]

Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

What exactly did Maguire do then, in your words? And get out with that one, someone already said that above. You can't really be equating saints from 1500 years ago with the current Catholic Church, can you? We're on about individuals on their own here, not what an organisation may have done many many years later. An illogical argument

[BennyCake]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

[Itchy]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

[BennyCake]

I think we should just rename every club in the country to whatever the GPS coordinates are for their home ground

That way no one is offended

Ah yes, the old lets change everyone due to a problem few. There's no need for that, no need to be facetious. Vast bulk of clubs names are absolutely fine, but there clearly are a problem few, and we know which ones they are. We see clubs in other sports change (Washington Football don't use Redskins anymore), and others getting serious pressure to change (Exeter Chiefs) so it shouldn't be an issue to look into themselves. Some names aren't even linked to the club or area, it really shouldn't be hard to effect a name change to something local and non contentious. The GAA has evolved on many issues over the years. This should be another as there's really no need for it

Agreed

Leave it up to the club members to decide if the name stays or goes

If they're fine with it let everyone else go f _ c _ themselves as far as I'm concerned

They really do need to have an honest educated informed discussion on it though. Not just a usual GAA thing where they pretend to, have a vote, say we're ok with things and move on as before. Need education on it, not head in the sand and pretend we can ignore things. These are a problem to a lot outside of usual GAA circles who might otherwise come into the GAA family. Need to include, not exclude.

GAA really should lead with information/detail and standards on this and should have a structure in place for club names and if a club does decide to change

So, if after an honest,  educated and informed discussion takes place, the members decide that they're going to stick with the name of their club, are you willing to accept their decision ?

Let's be honest here. If they have an honest, educated, and informed discussion, and still keep the name of a Slaver not linked to their area (bar the Newry based club) then they've either got their head in the sand or they just didn't or don't want to listen. It is up to them, and they shouldn't be forced, but they should be changing that name. They need to get there themselves, but they absolutely should get there. Links to slavery just isn't acceptable

But one who shot a few Brits is fine?

That's different, but who is saying that is ok too? If someone is linked and/or jailed for killing over the troubles, then yes, absolutely they should look to change. Really no reason for such contentious names, and the GAA needs to wake up on this

What about someone who shot a  few Brits, served his time, then seen the error of his ways. Then went on to do good work in cross community relations, helped the peace process, etc (not sure if there is actually a club named after anyone who fits this description... but you know what I'm getting at).

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

Well it's just a figure of speech.

But it depends on the era of taking up arms. As we all know from  the Dublin media/establishment, 1916 = courageous heroes. Late 1960's onwards = terrorists.

[whitey]

I know of a club that honored a recently deceased member that was an unapologetic dissident Republican.

What sanction should be imposed on them?

[Armagh18]

Yeah the name Sam Maguire needs to go.... Sure look at the crimes of the Catholic Church we shouldnt have any clubs named after saints either...

What exactly did Maguire do then, in your words? And get out with that one, someone already said that above. You can't really be equating saints from 1500 years ago with the current Catholic Church, can you? We're on about individuals on their own here, not what an organisation may have done many many years later. An illogical argument

He shot a good few Brits did he not?

[Kickham csc]

Wait til you's hear who Sam Maguire was..

Winning goal scorer for the Kickhams!!!

[Kickham csc]

I'm more interested in the background to the names of clubs and ninknames.

Starting off, Brokencrossbar, whats the whole Crossmaglen wangers thing about

[Dreadnought]

Error of his ways? I dont see any error of his ways in say a man taking up arms for his country. This whole thing about changing names is a total pile of bollox. Leave it be and just get on with it.

It's not really a pile of bollox though, is it? There are club names out there which are a problem...