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As strong as they could go really.

Oh they aren't above criticism, that's the least they should expect, especially considering its pretty much an open secret.

The question was do they care? I would have guessed not.

[They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.]

Agree with all of that.

Strange that boxers seem to be getting some of the flak rather than the root of the problem

They are getting an unprecedentedly good deal. No management fees and only a cut if they make it at the top. That is, literally, too good to be true.

The analogy with football fails. The owners are vetted and clubs finances are audited. We can discuss what they vet for, bit comparisons between Arab princes and cartels are fatuous

MTK I believe, without any evidence, just on following various people who have more insight than I do....they actually cover one of the boxers single biggest expenses also, their fight camp / preparation.

I think this, more than anything else we might have heard or being told brings people under their banner - it's really hard to say no to that, with those type of training partners. It's kind of domino like, considering the sole nature of the sport....once one goes, the other will go.....especially if they have trained together prior.

What Kinahan does is of no relevance really to them, to be honest.

It's not their problem, they are sportsmen and women. The more tuned in probably know deep down what they are doing is helping sports washing, some of the rest, Billy Joe and the likes probably just think Kinahan loves them for their talent, or that he saved them in some way, some maybe just don't care and love the money.

Anybody in professional sports is somewhat detached from reality, look at the amount of premier league players have been caught drink driving, or Covid Breaches and the likes. Money to them solves a lot of their problems....it shouldn't be the way of it, but it is.

[Do the City players care about the owners alleged human rights digressions or are they just happy to lift the ££££.]

I've often thought about this, even for the club I support.

Do the City players care about the owners alleged human rights digressions or are they just happy to lift the ££££.

Similar to the boxers I suppose however because this is closer to home it has more attention

Playing devils advocate somewhat, why should they care I suppose? What business is it of Sergio Aguero or Kevin De Bruyne what happens in a country they probably couldn't even point out to you where it was on the map? They are footballers, not politicians I suppose.

Boxing is a tough, lonely sport. I can see how some of those guys get seduced by the money. Like I said, Boxing has always been dirty and it's a short, potentially life threatening career path.....why would you not fill your boots if you aren't doing anything overly "bad"?

I'm not saying I agree with it, but if someone gives you 500k in cash to put in your bank and you give them back 400k once its in....that's 100k for walking it through the door. A boxer wouldn't care about that.

I'm surprised Frampton moved to MTK, he always seemed like a decent fella to me in interviews and I even met him briefly once in the days before the Kiko Martinez fight. I just genuinely think it's easy enough for Boxers to justify their actions (in their minds) because of the nature of their sport.

I see the Southampton player has had his Red card overturned after being sent off because of Martial diving.

It was a dive. Not surprising.

You don't get a lot of money in Boxing, relatively speaking in sports....

Hard to turn down that massive chunk of cash ready to be lodged in the bank with no questions asked because you are a professional athlete.

They just don't care, China's economy is going to overtake them earlier than predicted over the head of this. So it's play ball.

Not a chance it will happen.

Probably for the good of the thread to leave it at that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55939144

We will see more of these, depending on how this goes.

Or the best way to wash your money, if you needed that sort of thing 

MTK (Ex MGM) is a training facility first and foremost.....they have obviously then branched out to Management and Promotion.

I suppose every fighter under their banner as such will have different needs, the higher up you are the less likely you are to be 'fully controlled' by MTK....as you have your reputation already etc.

Fury is with MTK purely in an advisory role....your guess is as good as mine as to what that actually involves (whereas Carl Frampton started off something similar and is now fully managed by MTK). How payment works etc but that is maybe another thing altogether. I believe it came out in the Frampton v McGuigan case Frampton doesn't even pay MTK so this is where it starts to get very murky for that company. 

The thing is, Saunders has a good chance of beating Canelo.  But if I were a betting man, I'd imagine Canelo would find a way to win.

What fighter was McGuigan referring to on that show, the one that left him?

Conrad Cummings and Josh Taylor were two.

Sexton will be fit to play.

FWIW, Farrell really needs to be developing another international No. 10 unless he seems to be waiting for Carbery to get over his injuries and suddenly be good to go.. Big risk.

Carberry is finished, he's not an option.

Sad that local places can't operate a click and collect or a phone and collect.

So wrong.