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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: January 18, 2019, 03:10:51 PM »
Tyrone (McKenna Cup final v Armagh):
Niall Morgan
Ciaran McLaughlin
Ronan McNamee
Liam Rafferty
Tiernan McCann
Aidan McCrory
Michael Cassidy
Conan Grugan
Declan McClure
Niall Sludden
Ronan O’Neill
Conal McCann
Darren McCurry
Peter Harte
Cathal McShane

Really thought Coney had done  enough to get the nod......

Near certain he looked to be limping in final stages of the game v Derry

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: January 15, 2019, 11:26:52 AM »
OGS has made some very simple changes and they have worked. Dropping Lukaku for Rashford (something I've been insistent on) has paid huge dividends. Picking the best in form players in their best positions. Then motivate them. That's a managers job. OGS gets it. He should get a long term contract at the end of the season, massive financial backing, cut the deadwood (Lukaku) and Utd will be unstoppable.

That's been the quote for nearly ten years now from Utd.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 12, 2019, 09:22:33 AM »
I'd assume all clubs are training at this stage. Some might be just in gym for now. But I'd be very surprised if any club had not started training yet.

Don’t think all clubs have management appointed yet.

Any manager coming in will be impressed if the players can drive themselves. You don't need a manager to get the lads out and at it.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: January 11, 2019, 03:58:54 PM »
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine

I actually thought O'Neill worked his socks off on Wednesday. Didn't contribute a huge amount on the scoresheet but definitely the hardest I've seen him work in a Tyrone jersey. I'd still question his physical condition but.

Nothing 5-6 weeks won't cure.
5-6 years hasn't

Well that's a different problem altogether  :)

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: January 11, 2019, 03:27:15 PM »
Mickey showing massive faith in Ronan O'Neill. Am I right in thinking he started every match? Didn't show a pile on Wednesday night.
Giving him enough rope to hang himself id imagine

I actually thought O'Neill worked his socks off on Wednesday. Didn't contribute a huge amount on the scoresheet but definitely the hardest I've seen him work in a Tyrone jersey. I'd still question his physical condition but.

Nothing 5-6 weeks won't cure.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 11, 2019, 03:25:52 PM »
I'd assume all clubs are training at this stage. Some might be just in gym for now. But I'd be very surprised if any club had not started training yet.

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General discussion / Re: Jay Donnelly
« on: January 11, 2019, 11:53:53 AM »
Just asking a question maybe one of our legal experts can answer?

Why is she considered a child for the charge of distributing images but there is no issue with him having sex with her because she was the legal age for consent??!!

He was convicted of distributing an indecent image of a child. For that purpose a child is considered under 18.

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General discussion / Re: Jay Donnelly
« on: January 11, 2019, 10:38:14 AM »
Not a great situation for the lad. Hard to defend it, but whoever in his group of mates then sent it to the wider public via facebook also deserves 4 months for me. The name is widely suspected but nothing will come of that I assume.

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General discussion / Re: Jay Donnelly
« on: January 11, 2019, 10:30:14 AM »
I have read varying reports on the age of the girl. What are the facts here? The various ghetto dwellers from Crusaders, Linfield etc are calling him a paedophile etc. but I believe the girl was 17 which is within the age of consent for sex (leaving aside the distribution of the photo). If this actually the case then how is the offence against "a child"?

16 when photo was taken.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: January 08, 2019, 02:10:15 PM »
I'd be more disappointed if a group of 30 or so lads went away to a place like that and didn't get themselves into bother.

Let them bate away, soon they'll be locked up with no social lives for however many months. Get it out of the system. I'd have went to Vegas personally.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: December 21, 2018, 12:53:26 PM »
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh’s performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?

I don't think you are getting the point, I'm not saying he's not a good player. Far from it. I'm saying he's played very, very little senior club football, take into account there'll be someone who'll love to take a slap at him.

There have been very few players ever, to go straight from minor/u17 whatever that are able to slot straight into a senior intercounty team. The jump is enormous, most players who shine at underage level, shine because they have a physical edge, be it speed/size/power that is instantly neutralised once they make the step up to senior level.

Perhaps this lad will be the McBrearty/Coulter figure from Tyrone but I just think it's a massive risk to be throwing him straight into the lions when really, there is no need just yet.

Time will tell but I don’t think it’s unfeasible to be calling up a guy who was the best player on an u17 all Ireland winning team two years ago. But sure maybe it’s all a plan to get the u20 manager sacked.

I couldn't even tell you who that is to be perfectly honest so I'm not into some sort of conspiracy. I think Norf Tyrone has probably hit the nail on the head with his prior post.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: December 21, 2018, 11:27:41 AM »
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

Did you see Darragh’s performance in the U17 final a few years ago? Was there a better u17 in Ireland that year?

I don't think you are getting the point, I'm not saying he's not a good player. Far from it. I'm saying he's played very, very little senior club football, take into account there'll be someone who'll love to take a slap at him.

There have been very few players ever, to go straight from minor/u17 whatever that are able to slot straight into a senior intercounty team. The jump is enormous, most players who shine at underage level, shine because they have a physical edge, be it speed/size/power that is instantly neutralised once they make the step up to senior level.

Perhaps this lad will be the McBrearty/Coulter figure from Tyrone but I just think it's a massive risk to be throwing him straight into the lions when really, there is no need just yet.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: December 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM »
Why are you comparing Canavan Jr with Clifford?

Clifford had just kicked something stupid like 4 goals in the All Ireland Minor Final, it's natural to come straight into your senior side from then.

Darragh Canavan has played about 4 senior games. That's not to say he's not a talent, obviously. But comparing them as players is a no contest at minor level.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: December 18, 2018, 04:33:36 PM »
United will make Pochettino the no 1 target this summer, well thats what everyone seems to think. He's obviously very loyal to Spurs but he's left 2 jobs previously for bigger jobs and with financial difficulties Spurs have he might be tempted. There's no way he can win the league with the lack of financial backing he receives at Spurs.

If United can get Pochettino surely it would make sense to appoint a manager in the interim who would play a similar brand of football so that when the new manager comes in its not completely alien to them.

Pochettino will not go to United. He has more sense.

I know this is difficult for supporters to understand, but Manchester United 2019 is no guarantee of silverware, not even a guarantee of Chanpiosn League football.

Waving the cheque book around isn’t going to work in the way it once did, because City and Chelsea will do likewise. He would have to spend half a billion pound experimenting with players just to get the solid foundations he put in place at Spurs 3 years ago.

He won’t be paid better then where he is.

The weather is worse.

Travelling to Spain for business and Argentina for pleasure is less convenient.

His son is on Spurs books.

He has a chairman who trusts him at Spurs.

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If you really think “brand Man United” is going to topple all that, then you’re deluded.

The main reason why no “worldies” joined Man Utd this summer is because none were interested. Get used to it folks.

Wise up . . . Biggest club in the world FACT!!!

Most certainly not the biggest club in the world in a footballing sense, far from it.

Again, United have went away from what they have been, this mess has been coming for some time "biggest club in the world" because you sell 1 or 2 jerseys more than Real, who for example have won UCL on three straight seasons past and 4 of the last 5. I know what backs up the hype and what doesn't.

Not to be completely provocative, but take footballing history out of it - Manchester City are arguably a bigger club than Manchester United right now.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: December 18, 2018, 04:12:40 PM »
No matter what the United job is still one of the plum jobs in world football. Any new manager will have resources well beyond what 99% of other teams could only dream off and they are inheriting some seriously talented players. Yes money needs spent in certain areas but in De Gea, Dalot, Pogba, martial, Rashford, Lingard etc there is the makings of a decent squad. If the new guy can’t make that work then maybe he’s not worth £10m per year or whatever he’ll be offered. The fact José was allowed to put his arrogance and self interest ahead of the club is a question the Board needs to address.

I still think if you let those players off the leash like they have done in certain matches, (usually when behind at half time) United will be much more at the races in 2019. I expect at least 1 big signing as well in January

A large part of the problem at United these days is big signings in January that have been a complete and undeniable failure.

They need to approach the problem differently. No one player or manager can fix United.

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