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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 21, 2019, 07:34:58 PM »
If 2 clubs are in agreement can fixtures be moved back to the original timings?

Just checked the fixtures page on the Tyrone website and Kildress v Rock is now throwing in at 5pm. So a compromise/change is possible.

That's so they can clear the field fight up before the sun goes down presumably.

Wasn't too far off the mark with this one then.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: May 15, 2019, 09:55:22 AM »
There is a lot made these days of 'peaking' and the likes training wise. This isn't like the club where they run the shite out of you for 2 months. Go straight into 5 games....then back into another pre season camp if you haven't won 3 of the 5.

At any county, training is tailored accordingly to both individual and position. They'll have been doing their gym programmes over the last X amount of months - to get to the county you need to be of obviously above the norm physical excellence anyway so very little 'peaking' needs to be done, it's more a refinement process bearing in mind you are dealing with the best of the best anyway.

Obviously some lads will need to work on certain aspects to improve their game, but they don't go up to Garvaghy and run sprint after sprint until they are sick - there is a time and place for that obviously but by and large, lots of Tyrone training time is spent on patterns of play / defensive structure etc. I'd imagine if you pick any night to go and watch Tyrone train over the next few months you'd be surprised how little they do. It's more keeping the dog on the leash right now.

I would say the main difference is, if you go and watch their tackling drills etc - the intensity will catch the eye more than anything. The pressure exerted will be up a level to anything at the club and that's really one of the major differences between club and county - there isn't any amount of sprints you can do that will match the sheer empty feeling of tackling drills especially at that level, I'm sure.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:44:00 PM »
If 2 clubs are in agreement can fixtures be moved back to the original timings?

Just checked the fixtures page on the Tyrone website and Kildress v Rock is now throwing in at 5pm. So a compromise/change is possible.

That's so they can clear the field fight up before the sun goes down presumably.

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General discussion / Re: European Leagues.
« on: May 14, 2019, 12:39:41 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/sports/manchester-city-champions-league-uefa.html

They were found guilty of an FFP breach previously, widely accepted as one of, if not the richest club in the world. They were fined.

Get the house of them being found guilty here and being asked to take part in the UCL qualification stages.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 14, 2019, 12:33:22 PM »
I'm not usually one to complain but this is a slap in the face for clubs again. To call off senior club matches because kids (who are ineligable to play senior football anyway) have a match is ridiculous. So we potentially have a summer in front of us that means adult footballers can't play when Tyrone seniors have a match but they also have to play second fiddle to kids, I repeat, who are ineligable anyway. Whats next? Tyrone U16 development squad have a match so ACL league matches have to move?

They're not just 'kids'. They're representing our County in the Ulster Championship. Having gone undefeated all season until last Saturday the least we could do is give them the respect they deserve.

Get over yourself.

I'm sorry to tell you but they are just 'kids'. Our county is represented by a lot of age groups in Ulster Championships, should we just put everything on hold until they play as well? No one wants them to win more than me but to hold up games for approx 1000 adult players is quite frankly, ridiculous. If you can't see this and feel the need for me to 'get over myself' then there isn't much more I can say to you. I will ask you one question though, should U17's continue to play on alternate weeks from Tyrone seniors should the ACL be shifted about all summer to accommodate U17 players who aren't allowed to play in the senior matches anyway?

Yes

How to ruin your credibility in one post.

Obviously you are in some way linked to the u17s. Fair play to you if your a player and good luck on Sunday but what you are asking for is absolute nonsense.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 14, 2019, 10:21:51 AM »
Sundays games all moved to 6& 7.30pm?

Sure us players have nothing better to be at than waiting around all weekend until the very last minute to play.

Embarrassing. Any wonder players are turning their back on the game.

When do you want them to play the games? To be fair they were left with little choice.

Are you being serious? Every other county can put in fixtures for Friday or Saturday. What makes us the exception?

Eventually this mistreatment will end in the demise of a club  - I'll imagine X amount of reserve games will not be fulfilled this weekend, especially those longer trips.

I'm talking short term. They only found out on Monday that the Minors have their qualifier on Sunday.

They couldn't move them to Saturday because it was too short notice for players to get off work etc. They couldn't leave them at the original time because of the clash. They had no other option.

What about those who come home for games on flights or leave on flights to go to work for the Monday? Even those living in Dublin etc....It's a farce.

How many will even be at this minor game? They do this every year though so I'm not even sure why I'm surprised.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 14, 2019, 10:10:24 AM »
Sundays games all moved to 6& 7.30pm?

Sure us players have nothing better to be at than waiting around all weekend until the very last minute to play.

Embarrassing. Any wonder players are turning their back on the game.

When do you want them to play the games? To be fair they were left with little choice.

Are you being serious? Every other county can put in fixtures for Friday or Saturday. What makes us the exception?

Eventually this mistreatment will end in the demise of a club  - I'll imagine X amount of reserve games will not be fulfilled this weekend, especially those longer trips.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:42:29 AM »
Sundays games all moved to 6& 7.30pm?

Sure us players have nothing better to be at than waiting around all weekend until the very last minute to play.

Embarrassing. Any wonder players are turning their back on the game.

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What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?

Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.

If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.

Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.

And in a final.

United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.

It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.

The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.

That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.

Napoli win similar to United v PSG - feel good factor from a new manager.

Chelsea very lucky at home v Barca. A breakaway goal in Nou Camp. Messi miss penalty. Even at 2-1 Chelsea weíre going through. Torres goal at end when Barca stretched.

Didnít Robben miss a pen in final too?

I remember when Messi missed that penalty. I thought, thatís it, itís Chelsea trophy. Even with half the team suspended for final.

Missed in ET.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: May 13, 2019, 02:22:28 PM »
did Woodward bow to the public clamour and appoint OGS too early? If he had stuck to his guns and waited to the end of the season would they have appointed him? I think not given the end to the season. but hope springs eternal.

Not a chance! Complete madness to give him the job in the first place. He got a bit of a bounce that all new managers get and a very lucky win against PSG.
His managerial record shows nothing that would suggest he's up to the job of managing a club like United. He'll be gone by March next season and the merry go round will continue.
If anyone at United had any sense they would call an end to it now and go after Poch.

Could be Halloween if there's a shaky start. Anyway, do Utd have to play in the qualifying round for the Europa League next season?

Depends on the FA cup final. A Watford win means they would need to pre-qualify, I think.

Watford win would leave United starting in July something ridiculous - they are due to play a friendly in the USA that same day.

Could be the final twist of the knife.

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General discussion / Re: The official Premier League 2018/19 Thread
« on: May 13, 2019, 12:09:30 PM »
Brave shout from Brighton - they are laying down the marker from here for next season, looks like they don't want to be in and around the bottom again.

Strange since they were certainly as high as 10th in and around xmas. Be interesting to see who they will take from here.

Moyes?

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What luck had Liverpool along the way to the 2005 final?

Ghost goal v Chelsea. What looked like a good goal from Del Piero ruled out for offside v Juve.

If football followed logic, Barca and Ajax would be playing on June 1st?
Which is why i said maybe another unexpected twist will happen.

Teams always get a bit of luck here and there on the way to a final.

And in a final.

United did in 99, 08. Liverpool in 05, and the luck was hanging out of Chelsea in 12.

It should be pointed out, they came from behind in the Nou Camp with 10 men to get to the final. They were smashed also by Napoli in that year and came back too I think maybe in first knockout round.

The final probably correct but they deserved to be there on that occasion.

That's the beauty of the Cup Competition - you need luck to get into the position to win, now both Liverpool and Tottenham have made their own luck.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: May 13, 2019, 11:41:30 AM »
Thankfully thats over, hard to believe a team that went from taking 32 points from the first 36 that was available to Ole to taking 8 points from the remaining 27 points. Herrera leaving on a free another sign of how poorly the club has been run, United left themselves wide open by leaving it so late to negotiate with him; He was clearly going to have plenty of interest in him.

Huge summer ahead, United simply have to buy well.

Summed up well and all eyes on what happens this summer now. TBH I'll be shocked if buying well is done with Ed Woodward still mainly in control of the transfers.

Not saying United will reach City's level in the next season or two but i might add in 2016 Man City also finished their season on 66 points.

Fair point but City had a plan and the right people in place to be able to do that . . . It doesn't feel like United are in that place at the minute!

You'll find out pretty soon. If I remember correctly City came flying out the gate that summer - as soon as the window opened they had their business done early. All serious clubs get it sorted early on.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: May 13, 2019, 09:52:27 AM »
Saracens deserving winners.....they are a super side. Leinster should have gone in at ht 10-3 up, but they failed to score in second half....so can have no complaints really. Keith Wood summed up Itoje.....the type of player you hated playing against.....but would love on your own team. Saracens will be very hard to stop over next 3-5 years.

Have to agree with this - Leinster will long rue shipping that try just before HT. If they got in ahead at that stage who knows but Saracens are extremely well drilled, extremely fit and extremely methodical. I had in my head it was like fighting quicksand during a bit of the 2nd half, they loved the battle.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: May 13, 2019, 09:30:05 AM »
Mcshane is turning into CiarŠn Donaghy. Hopefully it's not a flash in the pan but f**k me he is unplayable lately.

Got to give the lad his dues - this time last year you'd have been 50/50 if he was even going to get a starting 15 jersey. Excellent progress - fair play to him. He's more mobile than Donaghy but he's becoming a real menace inside.

Thought Derry gave Tyrone a great game yesterday, as predicted Tyrone went ponderous-enough anyway which is a shame but on this occasion I think Derry just gave them a fight so I'll not get too critical. Peter Harte however was well roasted....albeit by a genuinely top, top player.

Lovely goal by McCurry, shows the belief he has to attempt a finish like that, at that stage. I think this was a good opening test for Tyrone - plenty to work on, Shane McGuigan is a great wee player but he's gave a few of our defenders a wake up call too - looked ropey enough too when big  Padraig Cassidy ran, which was pretty much every time he got the ball.

Ritchie Donnelly too as I write comes to mind, couple of lovely scores early on - maybe faded a bit later, but he was in a big battle.


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